From bens Sat Jan 1 00:36:17 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j015aHVY017696 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 00:36:17 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j015aHVE017695 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 00:36:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 00:36:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200501010536.j015aGvv017691@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: ignition switch/ pertronix ignitor Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John, How do you have the switch wired: is it the stock arrangement (battery cables run to the panel "solenoid/switch"), or are you using a later type starter (solenoid mounted on the starter), with the "solenoid/switch" used only as a trigger? Check battery cables for cleanliness & tightness, and work your way through the circuit. Not much there, so a few minutes and you should find what the problem isn't. Speaking of which - got the power situation figured out at the property...PG&E didn't bother to connect both sides of the building in their panel at the pole! (I broke their seal - screw 'em!) Everything works now - including the pumps for the well, except one light switch is wired backwards. Figure that out tomorrow, and I'll call for the final inspection!!!!!!!!!! HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYBODY!!!!!!! Charles -----Original message----- From: Bob and Sue Bernard bobbnsueb@sbcglobal.net Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 17:52:42 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: ignition switch/ pertronix ignitor > > Hi John, > Work?? What the heck is work??? > > If you need to look at a wiring diagram, Think 1970-88. > The solenoid has two big cables and either one or two little connections, I > think Stubby has the solenoid with one small one. > Take a jumper from plus terminal on battery to the small terminal on the > solenoid. This bypasses the key switch. If it cranks, then the problem is [ 41 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Jan 1 14:07:38 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j01J7cVY018487 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 14:07:38 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j01J7cpL018486 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 14:07:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 14:07:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200501011907.j01J7bRd018482@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Elvis update Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just like yesterday, the morning is beautiful and rain is forecast for later. So I went out to finish the brakes on Elvis. Only things left to do are install the longer rear brake line, mount left rear wheel, and then bleed/adjust the brakes. I uncoiled the new line from BP and slid under to remove the old line from the junction at the diff. I slid back out to go get a wire brush to clean things off and slid back in and brushed the dirt off. I put my 7/16 tubing wrench on the fitting and gave a tug and nothing. I repositioned it and gave an increasing tug. Nothing. I pulled harder and harder, thinking careful, careful and the wrench gave. Unfortunately, it rounded the fitting. I squirted WD40 on the fitting, tried a couple different wrenches and nothing. So, I pulled out the propane torch, heated up the junction and gave it another squirt of WD40 to cool the fitting and perhaps draw some liquid into the threads. Put the wrench on and slip, it rounds more. I gave it another round of heat and then used Vise-Grips, no problem, the fitting turned right out. I cut the line, spun out the fitting and started the new fitting. [ASIDE, I have been using antiseize on the fitting threads,AND on the brake pipe as well, on the area where the fitting and brake pipe overlap. My original problem was the corrosion of pipe and fitting together so I couldn't remove the line from the rear wheel cylinder. I hope that by adding antiseize to the end of the pipe and fitting, that won't happen again.] I carefully bent the new line in an arc around the diff and behind the axle case to the rear wheel, then put an S curve in bring the wheel cylindeer fitting up to the wheel. Then I spent 10-15 minutes trying to thread the fitting into the cylinder. I couldn't seem to get the fitting lined up perfectly. I could grab the old fitting and thread it in, but the new one just wouldn't go. I bent the tubing a little this way and that way and tried to thread the fitting in, but zip. Finally of course, I got it, but what a pain in the finger tips when it's chilly out side and you're pushing on the fitting and turning it, trying to get the threads to engage and suck up. I probably should have adjust the brake shoes before coming inside for coffee, but I was getting cold so I didn't. I will get back out later and jack the rear wheels up (one at a time) and adjust the shoes, then bleed the brakes. Because I can't stand having both Rovers not driveable at the same time, I will not change the flex lines on the front this weekend, but will wait. But the rear brakes are now new line flex line from chassis to the junction on the diff, new lines from diff to each rear wheel and new wheel cylinders. I added Lucas brake grease to the perimeter of the plungers under the rubber boots of each cylinder, that should help keep them fresher longer? cheers to all, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby", 2004 Honda Element "Ellie?" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano-the commuter, 2000 custom fixed gear (I built the frame), 2004 Steve Rex-road single ours: 2005 Steve Rex tandem (coming) From bens Sat Jan 1 17:15:06 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j01MF6VY026238 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 17:15:06 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j01MF6hr026237 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 17:15:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 17:15:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200501012215.j01MF6RM026233@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Elvis update Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Speaking of brakes, I'm heading over to the store to do the brakes & gearshift lever on the SW! (did i mention that on the way to work on the Rangie a few weeks ago, the gear lever broke?...) Charles -----Original message----- From: John Hess jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 11:07:38 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Elvis update > > Just like yesterday, the morning is beautiful and rain is forecast for > later. So I went out to finish the brakes on Elvis. Only things left > to do are install the longer rear brake line, mount left rear wheel, > and then bleed/adjust the brakes. > > I uncoiled the new line from BP and slid under to remove the old line > from the junction at the diff. I slid back out to go get a wire brush > to clean things off and slid back in and brushed the dirt off. I put my [ 50 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Jan 1 20:38:31 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j021cVVY002219 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 20:38:31 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j021cVQi002218 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 20:38:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 20:38:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200501020138.j021cVAF002214@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "joshua fischer" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1513 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, I am up for almost any trip. I'm not familiar with the Ridgecrest area but, Probably still want to go. Death Valley sounds good too. I will probably need a few weeks advance notice for work too. My girlfriend Melissa, will probably come along as well. She wants to learn to drive off-road. So lets try to get this trip in the works. Josh _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From bens Sat Jan 1 22:02:41 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0232fVY005753 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 22:02:41 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0232fIs005752 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 22:02:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 22:02:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200501020302.j0232fls005748@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1513 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Joshua, No problem: I'm trying to figure out a good weekend to reschedule Mojave Road for...I'm supposed to be in Tuscon either the last weekend of Jan, or one of the first weekends in Feb, but Janet & I keep forgetting to check on what weekend that is! I'd like to try for either the last weekend in Jan, or sometime in late Feb. (this month is pretty much spoken for...gotta look for a few things for my dad's Peugeot 505 TD, head to Keith's to get Ben's top sides (and make a wekeend in SF out of it) Keith - are you around either this coming weekend, or the weekend of 15/16 Jan??? Let me know. Charles -----Original message----- From: "joshua fischer" jfischer160@hotmail.com Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 17:38:31 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1513 > > Charles, > > I am up for almost any trip. I'm not familiar with the Ridgecrest area but, > Probably still want to go. > Death Valley sounds good too. I will probably need a few weeks advance > notice for work too. My girlfriend Melissa, will probably come along as > well. She wants to learn to drive off-road. So lets try to get this trip > in the works. [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Jan 1 22:05:11 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0235BVY005891 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 22:05:11 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0235B2h005890 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 22:05:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 22:05:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200501020305.j0235BCQ005886@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: stuff done today (was Elvis update) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well...it took me 3 whole hours just to replace the %&#(@*# gear shift lever!!!!! The latest in SPOT's is replacing the 1/4 bolts at the fronts/sides of the floor panels, with 11/32 Allen-headed bolts & safety-wiring them in place!!!!! At least the SW now has a new lever, and I was able to move it to the door of my current "garage", so that I can do the brakes tomorrow...if it doesn't rain... Charles -----Original message----- From: charles irvin cirvin@govisalia.com Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 14:15:06 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Elvis update > > Speaking of brakes, I'm heading over to the store to do the brakes & gearshift lever on the SW! (did i mention that on the way to work on the Rangie a few weeks ago, the gear lever broke?...) > From bens Sat Jan 1 22:13:19 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j023DJVY006177 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 22:13:19 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j023DJlK006176 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 22:13:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 22:13:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200501020313.j023DJwQ006172@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: RE: stuff done today (was Elvis update) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well Charles, a friend and I dropped the transfer box and rebuild it and put it back today. Changed my soaked wet close twice today. Tomorrow is hooking everything back up and test driving it. Hell of a way to start the new year. Mehdi From bens Sun Jan 2 00:53:37 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j025rbVY014486 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 00:53:37 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j025rbPH014485 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 00:53:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 00:53:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200501020553.j025raRQ014481@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: stuff done today (was Elvis update) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mehdi, well, it sucks to have to do that in the rain (I've been there myself), but at least 'ya got brakes.......you do have brakes, right? If it doesn't rain tomorrow I can do the brakes on the SW: if it does rain, I'll head upto the property & see if I can figure out one of the light switches. If I do, then I call for a final inspection for Monday, and then I can start putting racks/work benches together!!!!! (if it doesn't rain I'll work on the SW first - then head to the shop) However, the rain has presented a new problem: last year it apparently didn't rain as much, because this year, the roads on the property are getting thrashed! (no need to go on the "mud run" - I have a mud run in my yard!) It's getting almost 1 1/2' deep up there! I'll have to wait for it to dry out a bit before I can move any cars up there! (the Rangie works great in the stuff - it's like chewing gum-type mud & it sticks to your shoes, and makes you taller the longer you walk around in it) Water tank is now full & feels like concrete when you tap on it! (4000 gallons: this is the current Tulare Co. requirement in rural areas) Funny: we were worried about water pressure with the tank being below the hoouse/shop, but there's so much weight in that tank that pressure won't be a problem at all - I turned on a small spout to see what it was like, and it nearly took my hand off! Speaking of problems, I have to put in drains/drain pipes around the shop: the drains on its roof are at the center of the building, length-wise (in the middle), and so when the runoff comes out the spouts, it has nowhere to go but to make big puddles around the shop - not good. I'm afraid to drive around the front of the shop too much, because I'll rip the ground to pieces. What REALLY sucks, is that I have two of the Dormies & one of the spare chassis sitting in the middle of the deepest puddles! We gotta do something about the roads... Charles -----Original message----- From: "Mehdi Saghafi" msandcdg@sbcglobal.net Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 19:13:19 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: stuff done today (was Elvis update) > > Well Charles, a friend and I dropped the transfer box and rebuild it and put > it back today. Changed my soaked wet close twice today. Tomorrow is > hooking everything back up and test driving it. > > Hell of a way to start the new year. > Mehdi > > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Jan 2 01:09:55 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0269tVY015102 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 01:09:55 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0269tcg015101 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 01:09:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 01:09:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200501020609.j0269t5W015097@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: stuff done today (was Elvis update) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Mehdi, you have an unfair advantage. Your friend knows hellavelot about LandRovers! Hope all goes well tomorrow (altho with the help you're getting, there's no reason to believe it won't). Frank ------------------------------- Mehdi Saghafi wrote: >Well Charles, a friend and I dropped the transfer box and rebuild it and put >it back today. Changed my soaked wet close twice today. Tomorrow is >hooking everything back up and test driving it. > >Hell of a way to start the new year. >Mehdi > > > [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Jan 2 02:56:50 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j027uoVY019488 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 02:56:50 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j027uoen019487 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 02:56:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 02:56:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200501020756.j027uowe019483@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Daniel E. Smith" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Interesting Sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Greetings, My wife returned from the grocery store tonight with a Safeway brand ice cream called "Great Escapes, Triple Chocolate Safari." The packaging artwork is a scene from Amboseli Game Reserve (Kenya), complete with an accurate rendering of a pastel green Series IIB. It has the top and door tops off, the canvas hood is off as well; hoop-set in place. Even the fuel tank and the bodywork over and in front of the wheels is strikingly accurate. Check it out next time you're at Vons or Safeway. Daniel __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From bens Sun Jan 2 10:58:25 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j02FwPVY010864 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 10:58:25 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j02FwPnU010863 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 10:58:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 10:58:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200501021558.j02FwO3S010859@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Leslie Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: LR3, trailer brakes--and first towing trip with the LR3 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Aidan, We figured this out when I took the new LR3 to my trailer-guy for the controller installation. He was a bit nervous at first,(....new fancy Landy...etc) but when I picked it up, he commented that all the wiring had been done for him- all he had to do was plug in the controller! I did notice that he did not charge me any less than for the RR (and commented on that!). leslie.. P.S. we just returned from a very rainy trip to the Mojave...while the weather was considerably less than we had hoped for, the LR3 tows our 3000 lb Airstream trailer perfectly. In fact, both Chris and I commented that we had to look to be sure it was there. It was able to accelerate up 3-5% grades at 65+ mph. Actually, a bit faster than I usually like when towing! We also did some not too rugged offroading when we took backroads into Trona from Red Rock Canyon state park. The hill descent and various 'smart terrain features' are interesting a bit unnerving at times...and very different from my typical D90 experience! It almost seems that there are 10s of tiny brains just waiting for the right situations to act..... It really reminds me of the Star Trek computer...or the computer from the first Alien movie..... "Computer....CANCEL AUTO_DESTRUCT"........"Sorry, Command not understood"...tick tick tick..." 8) Chris and I took lots of pictures and are planning a newsletter write up. Aidan McLeer wrote: > >In a bullitin from Land Rover. > >They are finally figuring out people actually tow with ther vehicles.... > > > > > [ 45 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Jan 2 13:47:41 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j02IlfVY017998 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 13:47:41 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j02IlfHo017997 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 13:47:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 13:47:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200501021847.j02IlfEx017993@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: LR3, trailer brakes--and first towing trip with the LR3 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Leslie Dow wrote: There are two things related to towing that Leslie didn't mention. The first is that the receiver is removable. It usually lives in a cubby in the back. This Rover is very different from the others we've had in that it really is the case that if something is difficult to do, it means it's being done wrong. Once you have the removable part of the receiver lined up correctly, it just slips in and locks itself. Theres a key that, once removed, indicates it's safe to tow. The receiver hangs way too low for the vehicle to be used off-road with it in place, but there is v. beefy rear recovery point that can be used in lieu of a pintle in the receiver. The low height of the receiver obviates the need for a drop-down ball mount like what I had to use when towing with the 110. The other thing that is cool about the towing setup is further indicative of the thought put into using the LR3 as a puller. The same removable panel that hides the receiver mount and recovery point has both 7-pin and U-Haul connectors in place. That's pretty cool. I haven't tested it, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a relay controlling the charge pin on the 7-pin connector so the trailer can't drain the LR3's batteries. The NAS 110s have that, and they seem to have thought a lot less about towing on them than the LR3. 8< >We also did some not too rugged off-roading when we took back roads into Trona from Red Rock Canyon state park. The hill descent and various 'smart terrain features' are interesting a bit unnerving at times...and very different from my typical D90 experience! > I took it on some slightly more difficult trails the day before we drove to Trona Pinnacles. The automatic engagement of the center and rear differential locks was pretty cool--especially after hearing the many tales of locker-induced drive line damage. I found the hill descent control to be a bit weird at first, but got used to it. Passengers universally complained of seasickness on both trips when it was engaged, however. For those who have not experienced it, it basically picks an amount of throttle below which the ABS engages and above which it does not, so it ends up being like some kinds of RC cars in that sense. I mostly used the loose sand, snow, and mud setting, so I can't comment on the others. The tiptronic analogue was v. useful for both towing (although the shift points on the LR3 made me happier to leave it in "D" while towing) and off-road. I would love to figure out how to get that whole terrain response system into a proper flat-sided Rover. I did not like the lack of clearance when the suspension was in off-road mode. There is way too much stuff hanging down, although the independent suspension makes the low point much higher than the bottom of the diffs on the 90/110. The number of things it does automatically is pretty wild: lights, wipers, traction control, diff locks, and suspension height (based on terrain response program), and then there's the parking brake, which while not automatic, is electric, so you just push a button and it engages or disengages. The backup sensor has to be disengaged when the receiver is mounted, because it constantly indicates that the vehicle it about to hit something. The voice command stuff is crazy, as well. I figured out how to make it change the radio station by voice command yesterday. I continue to worry about what will happen when a computer fails. C From bens Sun Jan 2 14:26:02 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j02JQ2VY019764 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 14:26:02 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j02JQ2t3019763 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 14:26:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 14:26:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200501021926.j02JQ231019759@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Aidan McLeer" To: "mendo_recce" Subject: O.T. Cortina's again Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 31 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" Made a run yesterday to get the second Cortina (part of the package deal = buy one get one free !!) it is a 1968 2door GT, that is very rough, but allmost no rust. I had to borrow a pickup to get all the parts, door's, hoods, wheels, ( = I think about 1.5 cars in parts....) Later Aidan http://community.webshots.com/user/auditech From bens Sun Jan 2 14:26:07 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j02JQ7VY019774 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 14:26:07 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j02JQ7in019773 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 14:26:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 14:26:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200501021926.j02JQ6F3019769@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Aidan McLeer" To: Subject: Re: LR3, trailer brakes--and first towing trip with the LR3 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org They are pretty well tought out compared to what we are used to. the tow hitch takes a few tries to get used to, Have you tried the emergency feature of the E-brake ?, just pull up on the lever whils driving (try at home first at 15-20mph) it engauges the ABS to bring the vehicle to a stop before applying the actual e-brake. Later Aidan now with 2 Cortina sitting in the drive way, and a pile of parts in the garage http://community.webshots.com/user/auditech ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Dow" To: Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 10:47 AM Subject: Re: LR3, trailer brakes--and first towing trip with the LR3 > > Leslie Dow wrote: > > There are two things related to towing that Leslie didn't mention. The > first is that the receiver is removable. It usually lives in a cubby in > the back. This Rover is very different from the others we've had in > that it really is the case that if something is difficult to do, it > means it's being done wrong. Once you have the removable part of the > receiver lined up correctly, it just slips in and locks itself. Theres [ 57 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Jan 2 14:43:12 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j02JhCVY020413 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 14:43:12 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j02JhBVK020412 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 14:43:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 14:43:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200501021943.j02JhBrH020408@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: O.T. Cortina's again Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...I shouldn't ask, but - wanna get rid of the GT?...(Janet would probably kill me!) Charles -----Original message----- From: "Aidan McLeer" rally3@surewest.net Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 11:26:02 -0800 To: "mendo_recce" mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: O.T. Cortina's again > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; ] > [ 31 lines filtered. ] > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Made a run yesterday to get the second Cortina (part of the package deal = > buy one get one free !!) [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Jan 2 15:33:24 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j02KXOVY022452 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 15:33:24 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j02KXONg022451 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 15:33:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 15:33:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200501022033.j02KXOlD022447@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Aidan McLeer" To: Subject: Re: O.T. Cortina's again Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Undecided yet, Want to get the Red on up and running first then clean the GT out and see how bad it is. Will keep you posted. Later Aidan http://community.webshots.com/user/auditech ----- Original Message ----- From: "charles irvin" To: Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 11:43 AM Subject: Re: O.T. Cortina's again > > ...I shouldn't ask, but - wanna get rid of the GT?...(Janet would probably > kill me!) > > Charles > > -----Original message----- > From: "Aidan McLeer" rally3@surewest.net > Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 11:26:02 -0800 [ 16 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Jan 2 16:43:23 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j02LhNVY025482 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:43:23 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j02LhNmH025481 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:43:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:43:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200501022143.j02LhNv4025477@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Rangie at Sea Ranch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 16 lines filtered. ] I'm thinking that Paul is feeling the advance and retard section of his dizzy. It is an easy diagnosis of wet wires and so on, but there isn't enough information to really identify the culprit. Our friends on the East coast use wasp spray for drying out wet ignition wires, probably a good idea here, or the more left coast tradition of WD-40. There has probably been an excess of tinkering already, so we are down to hope, and good wishes. I'm sending mine, and expect the same as the rest of us. Good luck Paul. Zack From bens Mon Jan 3 00:24:29 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j035OTVY013495 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 00:24:29 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j035OTIJ013494 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 00:24:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 00:24:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200501030524.j035OR1D013490@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Rangie at Sea Ranch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Zack, I got a message from Paul this P.M.: seems the Rangie is still dead, and I guess that the new dizzy didn't do the trick. He says that they're going to have it towed to his parents' place via AAA, and go from there. He also said that they've been in/out of cell phone coverage - they're in a bad area there for cell phones, so communicating with the "free world" has been sparse at best. ...guess it didn't make it any better that I was also in a bad cell phone area when he called! Charles -----Original message----- From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 13:43:23 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Rangie at Sea Ranch > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] > [ 16 lines filtered. ] > > > I'm thinking that Paul is feeling the advance and retard section of his > dizzy. It is an easy diagnosis of wet wires and so on, but there isn't enough > information to really identify the culprit. [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Jan 3 00:54:13 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j035sDVY015058 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 00:54:13 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j035sDPx015057 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 00:54:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 00:54:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200501030554.j035sDkc015053@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Rob Modica To: cirvin@govisalia.com Cc: mendo Subject: Charles in Tucson? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles , If you're coming to Tucson give a call. 520-907-8990. Rob ------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 22:02:41 -0500 From: charles irvin Subject: RE: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1513 Joshua, No problem: I'm trying to figure out a good weekend to reschedule Mojave Road for...I'm supposed to be in Tuscon either the last weekend of Jan, or one of the first weekends in Feb, but Janet & I keep forgetting to check on what weekend that is! I'd like to try for either the last weekend in Jan, or sometime in late Feb. (this month is pretty much spoken for...gotta look for a few things for my dad's Peugeot 505 TD, head to Keith's to get Ben's top sides (and make a wekeend in SF out of it) Charles Arizona Land Rover Owners Rob Modica '51 Series 1 80" 16136629 Tucson AZ '60 Series II 109" 16400620 rmodica@mindspring.com '94 Disco 5spd A Land Rover owner/driver since 1973 From bens Mon Jan 3 10:27:54 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j03FRsVY006604 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:27:54 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j03FRsQE006603 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:27:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:27:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200501031527.j03FRsoh006599@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: stuff done today (was Elvis update) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles wrote: > At least the SW now has a new lever, and I was able to move it to the door of > my current "garage", so that I can do the brakes tomorrow...if it doesn't rai My Rovers all need attention, but get to wait. One, however has moved from under a tarp and inside. The 80" is the first occupant of the barn now that there it is somewaht weatherproof. http://www.fourfold.org/bens/Barn/DSCN2317.jpg The snow and weather have held so far. Barn status (roof sheathing and tar paper completed on Sunday): http://www.fourfold.org/bens/Barn/DSCN2338.jpg Ben From bens Mon Jan 3 10:35:16 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j03FZGVY006974 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:35:16 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j03FZGU2006973 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:35:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:35:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200501031535.j03FZGm0006969@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Hope Peter" To: Subject: RE: stuff done today (was Elvis update) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ application/ms-tnef; ] [ 77 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" Barn is looking great Ben. Its so hard to convey jealousy and envy with = email :) =20 Pete ________________________________ From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org on behalf of Benjamin Allan Smith Sent: Mon 1/3/2005 18:27 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: stuff done today (was Elvis update)=20 Charles wrote: > At least the SW now has a new lever, and I was able to move it to the = door of > my current "garage", so that I can do the brakes tomorrow...if it = doesn't rai My Rovers all need attention, but get to wait. One, however has moved from under a tarp and inside. The 80" is the first occupant of = the barn now that there it is somewaht weatherproof. http://www.fourfold.org/bens/Barn/DSCN2317.jpg The snow and weather have held so far. Barn status (roof sheathing and tar paper completed on Sunday): http://www.fourfold.org/bens/Barn/DSCN2338.jpg Ben From bens Mon Jan 3 10:43:08 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j03Fh8VY007330 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:43:08 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j03Fh8bn007329 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:43:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:43:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200501031543.j03Fh8V8007325@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Stuck/dead? Rangie at Sea Ranch :-( Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bruce wrote: > Confirming my theory that e-mail correspondence is conducted primarily > at work on the employer's time and is therefore not a cost savings > technology but in fact a major factor in decreased productivity. Yes an no. The same argument can be made for web browsers as well. But are the few 10s of "fun" messages that I read a day at work that much of a productivity drain compared to the 100s that I read that are work related? Same with viewing web pages. Much of our corporate docs are on the interal web servers. Many times I need to research things on the web. Knowing how to make efficent Google searches is good for finding news on Land Rovers, but also for finding the FSA (UK) audit guidelines. Also sometimes one needs to fill some time while a job runs. Or just to clear one's brain for a few minutes from the job at hand. That is my excuse and I'm sticking to it! Am I guilty? You bet! My excuse for Friday and no email is that I was out with a hammer instead of reading email. Ben From bens Mon Jan 3 11:47:15 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j03GlFVY010218 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:47:15 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j03GlFxi010217 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:47:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:47:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200501031647.j03GlF07010213@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: Stuck/dead? Rangie at Sea Ranch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Is this Rangie fixed yet? I have missed this thread. I have a tip that might be the problem, but do not want to go into it if it is already fixed. Thanks. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 11:59 AM Subject: Re: Stuck/dead? Rangie at Sea Ranch > > Paul wrote: > >> Hey guys, just needed a shoulder to cry on for now...we're up >> at the family cabin at the sea ranch (7.5 hours from Fresno, but >> an easy afternoon drive for people like Granny...Sigh! wish >> we still lived in Sonoma County...someday..) > > I wish we could all still buy a cabin on the coast or in Tahoe for less [ 153 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Jan 3 11:55:27 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j03GtRVY010633 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:55:27 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j03GtRvo010632 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:55:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:55:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200501031655.j03GtR7N010628@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: shukait@mac.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Ben's Roof Sides Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, > Keith - are you around either this coming weekend, or the weekend of > 15/16 Jan??? Let me know. Yup, I will be around. Our new BestTrack aluminum Pinewood Derby track, MicroWizard K2 timer and GrandPrix race software will arrive soon and I'll be spending the weekend setting it up and testing everything before our big race. No race software for the Mac so I'll try a windows emulator or borrow a PC from one of the adult leaders. http://www.besttrack.com/ http://www.microwizard.com/ http://grandprix-software-central.com/ The roof sides seem to be in good shape from the quick once over I gave them. They'll need a good cleaning to get the mold / moss off and new window seals but will be very nice with a coat of paint or two. Give me a call when you get into town. Cheers, Keith From bens Mon Jan 3 12:39:47 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j03HdlVY012415 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:39:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j03HdlQh012414 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:39:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:39:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200501031739.j03HdlmT012410@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Stuck/dead? Rangie at Sea Ranch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mark, Nope: Paul's having it towed from Sea Ranch to his parents' house for now. I finally got a new battery for my cellphone, so I'll try calling him today. Charles -----Original message----- From: "Mark Pilkington" mark@skywagons.com Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:47:15 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Stuck/dead? Rangie at Sea Ranch > > Is this Rangie fixed yet? I have missed this thread. I have a tip that might > be the problem, but do not want to go into it if it is already fixed. > Thanks. > Mark > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Kelly" > To: "Mendo List" [ 16 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Jan 3 14:09:18 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j03J9IVY016248 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:09:18 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j03J9Ht0016247 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:09:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:09:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200501031909.j03J9Hjv016243@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: Stuck/dead? Rangie at Sea Ranch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was just thinking that it might be the fuel pump cut off switch under the left front seat. It is a small button that is in the left rear corner of the left seat base area right near where the transmission tunnel and the "hump" that runs side to side meet. If this has popped, the dizzy it will spark and the engine will crank, but never start. I just gutted a 1989 Rangie for parts and saw this little devil inder the seat and thought that this might be the problem. This thing is designed to pop and cut off the fuel in the event of a rollover or impact. If it has been actvated in some other way the Rangie will never start. Just a thought. Kind regards, Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "charles irvin" To: Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 9:39 AM Subject: Re: Stuck/dead? Rangie at Sea Ranch > > Mark, > > Nope: Paul's having it towed from Sea Ranch to his parents' house for now. > I finally got a new battery for my cellphone, so I'll try calling him > today. > > Charles > [ 19 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Jan 3 20:20:52 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j041KqVY031908 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:20:52 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j041KqgB031907 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:20:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:20:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200501040120.j041KpYm031903@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "joshua fischer" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1514 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, Are you familiar with Cerrone's European, http://www.landroverrepair.com? They are in Redwood City, A little south of San Francisco. They were a peugeot specialty shop originally, but have expanded to other makes (mostly british). Frank and his brother Tony run the place and are avid Land Rover enthusiasts and active on one of the lists or club. They may be able to help with parts for your Dads' Peugeot. Give them a call. The Last week in Feb. looks open to me, let me know as it gets closer. I'll check with my calendar and Melissas' too and get back to you for sure. Josh _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From bens Mon Jan 3 20:57:29 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j041vTVY000876 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:57:29 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j041vTsh000875 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:57:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:57:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200501040157.j041vSOO000871@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Stuck/dead? Rangie at Sea Ranch :-( Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org There is no question that most people on mailing lists read and send mail from the office. Just look at your message count on the weekends in comparison to weekdays for proof. Remember, a well informed worker is a better worker. Aloha Peter O. --- Benjamin Allan Smith wrote: > > Bruce wrote: > > > Confirming my theory that e-mail correspondence is > conducted primarily > > at work on the employer's time and is therefore > not a cost savings > > technology but in fact a major factor in decreased > productivity. [ 27 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From bens Mon Jan 3 23:44:20 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j044iKVY007681 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 23:44:20 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j044iK3P007680 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 23:44:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 23:44:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200501040444.j044iJBB007676@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Stuck/dead? Rangie at Sea Ranch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I just talked to Paul: he had the Rangie towed via AAA to his parents' place, then Elisa's ex (or ex brother-in-law) met them there with his pickup & trailer. They're just east of Los Banos, heading to Fresno. He said it's definately not a fuel issue, or rather, not a fuel starvation issue...several cylinders appear to be flooded! I'm guessing either the firing order is off at the distributor cap (hell, I did that just last weekend!), the coolant temp-to-ECU sensor is bad, or the ignition resistor is bad...maybe bad O2 sensors, but there was no EFI warning light (Paul - check that bulb!). He did check the fuel cutoff, but it's working. He replaced plug wires, too, but nothing. Funny...I had Janet's Rangie stall on me while driving up Highway 198 today! Turns out the ignition resistor is loose on the distributor (I had to modify the distributor to make it fit, but due to a lack of small taps, I only have one screw holding it in place), and I jiggled it a bit, and the truck started right up - no problem since, though I will install my extra Lumenition kit in the morning. However, I have noticed some oil seepage around the ignition coil..... Charles -----Original message----- From: "Mark Pilkington" mark@skywagons.com Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:09:17 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Stuck/dead? Rangie at Sea Ranch > > I was just thinking that it might be the fuel pump cut off switch under the > left front seat. It is a small button that is in the left rear corner of the > left seat base area right near where the transmission tunnel and the "hump" > that runs side to side meet. If this has popped, the dizzy it will spark and > the engine will crank, but never start. I just gutted a 1989 Rangie for > parts and saw this little devil inder the seat and thought that this might > be the problem. > This thing is designed to pop and cut off the fuel in the event of a [ 25 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jan 4 11:51:55 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j04GptVY006691 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:51:55 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j04GptZT006690 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:51:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:51:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200501041651.j04GptOw006686@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: SII 88 Sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >>> FHYap@earthlink.net 12/27/04 08:01PM >>> Feb 2005 Four Wheeler of the Year to VW Touareg V-10tdi, just edging out the LR3. Frank - The Rover lost by 1/2 point. 1/2 a point! Whatever that means. The Four Wheeler staff was freaking out (and I mean that in only the most positive way) over the Tourag's V-10 diesel and 500ft/lbs of torque. I thought I even read where they admitted the LR3 was the best vehicle off road. Four Wheel magazine...Hello? Didn't get enough advert. dollars from Rover, it seems. From bens Tue Jan 4 17:07:11 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j04M7BVY019972 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:07:11 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j04M7Bto019971 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:07:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:07:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200501042207.j04M7AbC019965@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Stuck/dead? Rangie at Sea Ranch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...and I'm back in Fresno. Lanks to the wonderfull FAST tow service from AAA! best ever. ...and to my wifes ex, who is a good friend now...who dropped everything, borrowed a friends 1-ton tow rig and trailer to come and bring us home(5-6 hours each way..or more for him..)instead of taking a day of double-time! anyway, we are now rested and am ready to go out and tear into the rangie to start the final diagnosis. what I think happened was that something in the fuel electronics went bad in the wet?? the distributor had been previously damaged by a mechanic before I met Elisa, and I had noticed two summers ago that it would move up and down(whyen up would move back and fourth a lot, but could wiggle back down into place...I had planned on rebuilding it completely this winter break(go figure!) ...anyway, I first checked for spark at the coil wire....check! ...but yellow and not as strong as I wanted...hmm! than thought about the problem way back when the air gap had gone bad in teh dist and had caused all teh problems when we met...so i pulled teh cap and as I was taking off the rotor to remove the plastic shield to check the inner workings, the shaft still came up even though i had the screwdriver pressing down on shaft...oops! when I slid it back down I suddenly noticed it had all that 40 deg. of play and figurered I had probably just buggered it as I know there is NO WAY it would have ran like that. realizing at that point there was no way I could fix without tools and replacement parts I called Joe and he was going to come up after all(probably due to his desire to help a good friend in need than his origional desire to drive up hwy 1 that far..) anywas when he made it up, we removed the buggered up dist and installed th one he had just pulled from the '89 rangie..I noticed that the older dist did NOT have the spade connector on the amp unit attached to it and figured that they must hve made a change at some time, but it had worked fine in the older engine, so should be fine. we played around and just could not get it to even cough! than noticed as it was raining that all was getting fairly damp(to say teh least) I decided to re-check teh coil wire by wrapping it in the shop-rag nd held it 6" from my hand. well as Joe turned I could feal all the power feom teh coil surging through the insulation of teh wire and than through the rag(remember it was raining! DOH!) I dropped it as I yelled to stop cranking..it shocked me hard, but ot anywhere like a good coil should. we lay it down on top of plenum and tried again. this time we could SEE little sparke coming out the back of teh boot as well as the end of wire, but not strong. thos was 6:00 new years eavge. I called teh local town's auto parts(NAPA) and they were closed, but the owner said to come in and he would set me up...we went down and picked up a new coil and a new set of 8mm sparklug wires. we went back to the rover and decided to hike back up to teh cabin and finish in the morning as it was new years eve after all.(ended up all falling asleep around 11:45! so didn't even celebratre new years..go figure.. next morning Joe and I went back down the the rovers and I cut the new plug harness wires to fit, crimped the ends on with my newly purshased special tool ;-) installed the new coil and wires and gave it a whirl......NOTHING!!! we played around and than decided we were 180 deg. out of rotation, turned the dist shaft around and still no combustion. I removed the #1 plug and it was full of fuel, so I pulled the fuel cutoff switch under teh seat up and cranked to try to get all fuel out of the cylinders. I decided to check other plugs as well, and found that #4 and #6 were bone dry, stopped at these and decided to try the hot-start spray to see if it would get things running if the fuel was all screwy...it would get a couple cylinders firing, but not really...and wouldn't run after turnng off starter, even when spraying fluid.. turning the fuel pump back on wouldn't even fire at all?? even with the spray...sounding wierd to me here! anyway I am really confused as to what is happening. going over possibilities maybe a combination of some of them?: bad fuel from last fill? faulty fuel inj system? ECU? firing order per charles?(know I replaced everything right as I went one by one, but maybe I somehow got the dist 1 plug off now somehow if possible? the gremlins from neighbors mercedes?(mice had chewed her harness!) bad replacement ign sensor as well as old one? bad coolant sensor? not sure where to look first, but will remove all plugs first and check for any fuel coming through on cranking(no will not use a lighter to see better!) than install a new set of plugs(I had installed a set of delco plugs about 1.5 years ago(24,000 miles)when I had tuned it up along with the cap(not rotor as the NEW one was bad out of box! forgot to buy a second new one, so will get this as well now) than I will do an actual static timing instead of letting teh distributor sit there by it's weight like it is now....and see what happens and go from there. any other ideas/suggestions? like whether the 4.2 engine has a different dist curve and the now installed 3.9 one will not work as well, or not at all? figured it's work, but maybe not as efficient, or may be better.. I hae teh factory manuals and will be reading tonight and start trouble-shooting electric systems in morning. Paul --- charles irvin wrote: > > I just talked to Paul: he had the Rangie towed via AAA to > his parents' place, then Elisa's ex (or ex > brother-in-law) met them there with his pickup & trailer. > They're just east of Los Banos, heading to Fresno. > He said it's definately not a fuel issue, or rather, not > a fuel starvation issue...several cylinders appear to be > flooded! I'm guessing either the firing order is off at > the distributor cap (hell, I did that just last > weekend!), the coolant temp-to-ECU sensor is bad, or the > ignition resistor is bad...maybe bad O2 sensors, but > there was no EFI warning light (Paul - check that bulb!). > He did check the fuel cutoff, but it's working. He > replaced plug wires, too, but nothing. From bens Tue Jan 4 21:19:58 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j052JwVY030065 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:19:58 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j052JwcQ030064 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:19:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:19:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200501050219.j052JwLi030060@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: The Sanders To: Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1515 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello all, My name is Brent and I've been lurking around the website for about 3 months now and decided to go ahead, driven my guilt, and stop lurking. I've been reading the emails back and forth with great interest and appreciate the great knowledge passed around. I would someday want to go along on one of the trips mentioned (The one to Mojave sounds very intriguing.). I've met Granny and Zack at a brew party put on by Todd Servaes (Thanks again!) at the Aero Brewery in Auburn few months ago. I have a 1966 109 SIIa that I have been driving around for a couple of years now. I really enjoy it but may have to part with it soon to find something more up to date (I know, I know, I hear the hissing and booing.....from me too.). Well that's all for now and thanks for letting me introduce myself. Brent Sanders 109 (No joke!) Skyridge Dr. Auburn, CA From bens Tue Jan 4 21:43:11 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j052hBVY031065 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:43:11 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j052hBwF031064 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:43:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:43:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200501050243.j052hBpI031060@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1515 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Brent, Welcome to the pub - er, the list! You didn't happen to get that 109 from one George Simmons, didja? (George - you still out there?!?!?) The Mojave Road trip is being resceduled...stay tuned... Charles P.S. You can always put a bigger engine in that 109... -----Original message----- From: The Sanders mac2002sanders@earthlink.net Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:19:58 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1515 > > Hello all, > > My name is Brent and I've been lurking around the website for about 3 months > now and decided to go ahead, driven my guilt, and stop lurking. I've been > reading the emails back and forth with great interest and appreciate the > great knowledge passed around. I would someday want to go along on one of > the trips mentioned (The one to Mojave sounds very intriguing.). I've met > Granny and Zack at a brew party put on by Todd Servaes (Thanks again!) at [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jan 4 21:45:39 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j052jdVY031271 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:45:39 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j052jdCJ031270 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:45:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:45:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200501050245.j052jdY8031266@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: New Mojave Road date... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So, how does the weekend of 18-20 Feb sound??? Anyone interested? Anyone? Anyone? Let me know. Charles From bens Wed Jan 5 02:54:24 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j057sOVY012872 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 02:54:24 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j057sOHD012871 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 02:54:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 02:54:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200501050754.j057sNKa012867@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: crocuta@earthlink.net To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New Mojave Road date... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 16 lines filtered. ] My calendar is free that weekend. I'll pencil it in just in case. Sounds good to me tho! -Marshall ALSO... anyone doing Pub Night on the 20th of January? We'll be at the Albatross just in case *g* From bens Wed Jan 5 09:12:07 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j05EC6VY028740 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:12:06 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j05EC6hk028739 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:12:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:12:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200501051412.j05EC6Xv028735@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Bob and Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: snow in the mountains Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi all, Driving down Skyway from Paradise to Chico, we had a good clear view across the Sacramento valley to the mountains of the east side of the Mendocino forest (Stonyford/Letts lake area). The snow is very obvious and looks like it is all the way down to1000 ft. It snowed a lot! Several days ago some guys from Woodland were up there skeet shooting and got stuck in both trucks.They had to be found and rescued. I guess the trucks will be rescued later. Last year I heard from a local that they were scouting deer hunting areas and the snow came.They had to leave a camping trailer up there. Bob B From bens Wed Jan 5 14:53:51 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j05JrpVY012622 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:53:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j05JrpWN012621 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:53:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:53:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200501051953.j05Jro4X012617@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "G. Mugele" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Hey Ben, later dudes... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey guys, Off to slip and slide in the snow and ice on the roads in the Alps and Tyrol. No off roading there. Back in Early February. Ben please don't let me ID be one of the offenders.... drop me for a month. Thanks, Gerry From bens Wed Jan 5 22:53:18 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j063rIVY001373 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:53:18 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j063rI9v001372 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:53:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:53:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200501060353.j063rI9S001368@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Mendocino not-a-rally dates Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org As I recall, Mendo occurs the last *complete* weekend in April - meaning the 22-24th, right? Cheers, Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA ps. it'd be nice if it got on the NCRC calendar -even as a non-sanctioned happenstance... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From bens Thu Jan 6 00:16:39 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j065GdVY006291 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 00:16:39 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j065GdjC006290 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 00:16:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 00:16:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200501060516.j065Gcwr006286@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Mendo Trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Joe wrote: > As I recall, Mendo occurs the last *complete* weekend > in April - meaning the 22-24th, right? I usually wait for the "official" e-mail from JoeLucas@PrinceofDarkness.com... that usually comes early in the year to announce the dates of the Mendo trip. Kevin From bens Thu Jan 6 00:55:59 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j065txVY008229 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 00:55:59 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j065txf3008228 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 00:55:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 00:55:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200501060555.j065twc3008224@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Blair Peterson" To: Subject: good reading Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A friend just sent me a package of Rover-related papers and memorabilia-- he had been looking for a Rover too in the late 80s early 90s (but never bought one) and had saved all sorts of info. Some amazing historic magazine articles, old parts catalogues, other stuff. I'll bring it to Mendo to share. Some tidbits: "A Land Rover is at once a delightful runabout and a rolling torture chamber. It combines the best and worst features of a truck with the insouciance of an MG-TC. It is a car that every man feels compelled to buy at one time or another, but hardly anybody has a use for. It is best suited to off-the-road cross-country adventure. Conversely it is not specifically useful for shopping trips, or general family-household use, but that's what people do with it. This is one of several instances where perfectly reasonable people have seemed to take leave of their senses on first meeting the Land Rover. It is less of a car than a state of mind. Its owners are the most partisan group imaginable and its would-be owners are legion." -- Car and Driver, September 1964. "We ground upwards into the hills, the four cylinder pulling loudly if not especially rapidly, and the sense of deja vu got eerily stronger until my passenger observed it was because the Land Rover felt just like a good 1930 car. I don't think it could be taken for luxury motoring as the noise level is high, the wind whistles, sundry leaks let cold air in, the seats are abit hard and upright, but on the other hand it was not too tiring to drive and you can't carry Genghis Khan's baggage train in a Ferrari." -- Car, March 1966. "'Don't worry we'll make it!' shouted the driver each time I clawed wildly to brace for the rollover that seemed immminent. We were heading up a precipitous trail, crawling slowly up a crest of a razorback peak with just enough firm ground to support the four wheels. It seemed incredible that minutes before I had been sitting in the Pasadena showroom of Peter Satori Inc, listening to an explanation of the Land Rover station wagon. 'How do we get out of here?' I asked. His reply was to engage first gear low range and aim carefully for the apparent edge of a sheer cliff. Down we plunged, making haste slowly. I became convinced the only limit to the vehicle was the bravery (or foolhardiness) of the driver. Better yet, it is a kick to drive." -- Sports Cars Illustrated, March 1961. Cheers, Blair (who's dad might have flipped thru that very Sports Cars Illustrated issue when he was in the materinty ward waiting room in March 1961!) -------------------------------------------------------- This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information intended for the specific individual or entity addressed, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient you must not disseminate, forward, print or copy it in any form or take any action or reliance on it. 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Thank you. -------------------------------------------------------- From bens Thu Jan 6 01:19:20 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j066JKVY009048 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 01:19:20 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j066JKOT009047 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 01:19:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 01:19:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200501060619.j066JKH5009043@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Granville" To: Subject: Re: good reading Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Blair, Thanks for those historical and enjoyable LR tidbits! I probably read all those stories and articles, along with similar ones in Road & Track and elsewhere, when they were originally printed! I've been a regular reader of R&T and most of those others since 1960 (when I was a junior in high school). Cheers, Granny From bens Thu Jan 6 04:52:03 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j069q3VY018046 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 04:52:03 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j069q3g8018045 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 04:52:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 04:52:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200501060952.j069q3lU018041@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Daniel E. Smith" To: mendo Subject: Working on the Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, I lost my clutch master cylinder cap over the last few days and was without a clutch around noon yesterday, just made it to the parts store for fluid. I Got a new cap today from BP and my wife gave me some time after dinner to work on the Rover...I know what you're thinking, but we have a 16 month old and we have to work around her...my wife is not that much of a bear. Anyway, I filled and bled the clutch hydraulics, changed my oil pressure light sensor that had been lying to me for the last month, checked the oil & water...stuff like that. What I'm getting at is that it felt SO GOOD to be "wrenching" on the Series again! ...something about the tools, the grease, I can't put it in to words, but it's really nice. After Emma was born I've been so focused on her and the Rover came after everything else. The day she was born I crushed my tropical top in a parking garage. I picked up another a few months after that, but I cleaned the windows in it for the first time 3 weeks ago! I love driving the Rover (everyday) but I forgot how good it feels to take care of it as well. Take Care, Daniel PS: Emma’s third word, after “Mama” and “Up” was “Ro’va” It is really cute when she sees a picture of one or you ask her if she wants to go for a ride…it’s always “Ro’va” This goes for Series Rovers only as I am raising her right. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bens Thu Jan 6 10:03:33 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j06F3XVY030566 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:03:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j06F3XR7030565 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:03:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:03:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200501061503.j06F3Xc7030561@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "rupert jung" To: Subject: Search-and-rescue finds Chico men lost in forest Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 241 lines filtered. ] charset="us-ascii" This was in the Red Bluff Daily News. It happened last Thursday. Cade Gorman, Bradley Peterson, Sirisant Khlasa became stranded in their 4-wheel drive vehicle. They spent the night in their vehicle as darkness and bad weather kept the rescue team from locating them. They were not sure of their location and were low on gas. A CHP helicopter was dispatched to locate the men. The men said they were unfamiliar with the area and had underestimated the amount of gas required. The above was a synopsis of what was printed. My Tehama County Search-and-Rescue source told these facts. It was a Rangie or a Landy. It had a navigation unit on board. The electronics told them they had 110 mi. of fuel remaining, but when they down shifted, the electronics read only 11 miles before empty. The Chico men took Ponderosa Drive then the Peligreen Jeep trail where they got lost. They had no maps, food, water, matches, extra clothing, first aid kit etc. etc. etc. The CHP dropped them 5 gal gas to get back to civilization. S&R refused to go out that nite reasoning their own people would be put in harm's way. I hope it was no one on this board that got lost. That's embarrassing especially in a LR! Ponderosa Drive is BAD in the winter and the Peligreen is also verboten since it crosses the closed-for-the-winter Tehama Wildlife Area. Trying not to be dumb, stupid, or unlucky like those guys. Rupert From bens Thu Jan 6 10:09:15 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j06F9FVY030780 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:09:15 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j06F9FRF030779 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:09:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:09:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200501061509.j06F9Ftp030775@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "rupert j" <0792@medicineshoppe.com> To: Subject: RE: Mendocino not-a-rally dates Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 24 lines filtered. ] Also NCRC members are invited to SCLR Rover Rendezvous V at Panamint Springs April 1-2-3 on a reservation only basis. It's open to the first 100 vehicles which sign-up. Joe, did you signup? I did. Rupert From bens Thu Jan 6 11:18:15 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j06GIFVY001239 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:18:15 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j06GIFmd001238 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:18:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:18:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200501061618.j06GIERx001234@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: good reading Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org BPeterson@InterAsset.com 01/05/05 09:55PM >>> Some tidbits: "A Land Rover is at once a delightful runabout and a rolling torture chamber. It combines the best and worst features of a truck with the insouciance of an MG-TC. It is a car that every man feels compelled to buy at one time or another, but hardly anybody has a use for. .... >>>>>> It's always good when one can use "insouciance" when discussing Land Rover. From bens Thu Jan 6 12:55:56 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j06HtuVY005287 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:55:56 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j06Htuhd005286 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:55:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:55:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200501061755.j06HttgA005282@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Hey Ben, later dudes... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Gerry, You gotta say why you're there!!! Frank -------------------- G. Mugele wrote: >Hey guys, >Off to slip and slide in the snow and ice on the roads in the Alps >and Tyrol. No off roading there. > >Back in Early February. > > From bens Thu Jan 6 13:23:51 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j06INpVY006356 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:23:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j06INphD006355 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:23:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:23:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200501061823.j06INoV0006351@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Search-and-rescue finds Chico men lost in forest Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org colllege kids!! who else in Chico would have a new land-rover? .....probably not on the list, but this should be a reminder to all to only venture out where you can go safely and carry supplies! Paul --- rupert jung wrote: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; ] > [ 241 lines filtered. ] > > charset="us-ascii" > > This was in the Red Bluff Daily News. It happened last > Thursday. Cade [ 50 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jan 6 17:46:32 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j06MkWVY017535 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:46:32 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j06MkWRV017534 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:46:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:46:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200501062246.j06MkVes017530@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: hipine@att.net To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1515 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html ] [ 19 lines filtered. ] ".....I've met Granny and Zack at a brew party put on by Todd Servaes ....." Well, I hate to break it to you, but if you've met those two, the rest of the group is all downhill from there. :^) -Dave G. From bens Thu Jan 6 20:23:49 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j071NnVY023978 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:23:49 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j071NnCO023977 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:23:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:23:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200501070123.j071NmMW023973@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Granville" To: Subject: Downhill? was Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1515 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jeez, Dave! Yer gonna scare the hell outta him; he'll never show up, now! > ".....I've met Granny and Zack at a brew party put on by Todd Servaes ....." > > Well, I hate to break it to you, but if you've met those two, the rest of the group is all downhill from there. > > :^) > > -Dave G. > From bens Thu Jan 6 21:16:30 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j072GUVY026179 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:16:30 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j072GUwt026178 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:16:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:16:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200501070216.j072GUOh026174@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Aidan McLeer" To: Subject: Re: Search-and-rescue finds Chico men lost in forest Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org There are at least 4 38A range rovers, and 3 NEW range rovers that come from Chico to us for service.... The 38A fuel left only reads down to 50 miles then says <50 miles the new Rangie will go down to 10 miles left......( I have seen that one.) Later Aidan http://community.webshots.com/user/auditech ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Archibald" To: Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 10:23 AM Subject: Re: Search-and-rescue finds Chico men lost in forest > > colllege kids!! > who else in Chico would have a new land-rover? > .....probably not on the list, but this should be a > reminder to all to only venture out where you can go safely > and carry supplies! > > Paul > [ 14 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jan 6 21:40:33 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j072eWVY027210 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:40:32 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j072eWNv027209 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:40:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:40:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200501070240.j072eWwp027205@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: The Sanders To: Subject: Re: Pubs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, Wow, that was good! Yes, I bought the 109 from George. He lives just over the hill from me. He's a very busy guy, and I suspect he's still reading the list. He's the one who told me about you all. You are right about a bigger engine and I have thought about it alot. I am still thinking about it. Yet, there is a time/money issue involved at the moment so.......... I will try throw something on the list from time to time. P.S. Did you know that the Irish are dismantling their pubs at an alarming rate? That's just a shame. Thanks, Brent From bens Fri Jan 7 00:14:23 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j075ENVY001436 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 00:14:23 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j075ENq9001435 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 00:14:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 00:14:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200501070514.j075EMgZ001431@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Emeryville Lunch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Blair, Mehdi, Lunch rain or shine tomorrow? Frank From bens Fri Jan 7 00:19:47 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j075JkVY002375 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 00:19:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j075JkIu002374 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 00:19:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 00:19:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200501070519.j075Jjsh002370@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Bicycle (No LR Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John Hess wrote: >... >mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano-the commuter, 2000 custom fixed gear (I built >the frame), > Hi John, Did you take a bike building class? Use CADD? Did you weld the frame yourself? Last Sunday's paper had an aricle about the frame building class at Stanford Mech Eng Dept. Frank From bens Fri Jan 7 01:49:50 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j076noVY006464 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 01:49:50 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j076noh9006463 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 01:49:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 01:49:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200501070649.j076nnkA006459@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Brian" To: Subject: Ebay LR in Napa Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 83 lines filtered. ] charset="us-ascii" So. who is selling the '65 S2a 66-in on Ebay? Do we know anything about this rig? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6296&item= 4517601628&rd=1 Item Number: 4517601628 Not sure why I am looking at Series rigs. may From bens Fri Jan 7 02:53:14 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j077rEVY009113 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 02:53:14 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j077rEr4009112 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 02:53:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 02:53:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200501070753.j077rDok009108@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1515 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey! I resemble that remark! :) Charles -----Original message----- From: hipine@att.net Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:46:32 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1515 > Well, I hate to break it to you, but if you've met those two, the rest of the group is all downhill from there. > > :^) > > -Dave G. From bens Fri Jan 7 02:56:32 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j077uWVY009319 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 02:56:32 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j077uWkp009318 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 02:56:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 02:56:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200501070756.j077uVpW009314@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: RE: Emeryville Lunch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 16 lines filtered. ] Will be there at noon. Lets meet inside the marketplace. Mehdi From bens Fri Jan 7 03:01:39 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0781dVY009549 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 03:01:39 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0781dsP009548 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 03:01:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 03:01:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200501070801.j0781cgS009544@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Pubs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Brent, It was an inspired guess: not many Series rigs in your town, and most there are owned by George. He's great people. I know what you mean about money/time: I seem to have accumulated several 109's in the last couple of years (6: 2 1/2 of them are runners, the others are projects - and that's JUST the Rovers!). With the way work has been lately, I'm not sure when I'll get to even touch them. This weekend I'm supposed to be in three places at once! I was wondering about the pubs...a few months ago, Janet & I were in L.A. for a few days: we walked into this antique furniture store, and it turns out they import most of their stuff from England, and they had this complete bar setup - all solid wood with lotsa mirrors, and it looked fantastic! It had to be a good 25-30 feet wide, and 10 feet tall, and they said it came from such a dismantled pub. (I forget the name of the place, but if you know Burbank, it's on Magnolia across from Autobooks - either on the same block, or the next one over to the east) Don't be afraid to post on the list...the only stupid question is the one that wasn't asked. Charles -----Original message----- From: The Sanders mac2002sanders@earthlink.net Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:40:32 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Pubs > > Charles, > > Wow, that was good! Yes, I bought the 109 from George. He lives just over > the hill from me. He's a very busy guy, and I suspect he's still reading the > list. He's the one who told me about you all. > > You are right about a bigger engine and I have thought about it alot. I am > still thinking about it. Yet, there is a time/money issue involved at the [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jan 7 10:40:52 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j07FeqVY029174 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:40:52 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j07FeqDv029173 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:40:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:40:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200501071540.j07FepTM029169@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Bicycle (No LR Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bike frame building class at the experimental college. Probably not offered any more because no instructor. Draw the bike full size on paper and then start with bb shell and go from there. Really cool thing to do, if you like bikes and have some interest in making things and doing things. Some jigs to hold things precisely in place. Brass brazed, practiced on steel scrap a few times. Got so anal about filing the joints that I had to go back and rebraze more material into them and refile them. Bought a fork and a couple other parts, but scrounged/had the rest. cheers, On Jan 6, 2005, at 9:19 PM, Franklin H. Yap wrote: > > John Hess wrote: > >> ... >> mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano-the commuter, 2000 custom fixed gear (I >> built >> the frame), >> > [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby", 2004 Honda Element "Ellie?" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano-the commuter, 2000 custom fixed gear (I built the frame), 2004 Steve Rex-road single ours: 2005 Steve Rex tandem (coming) From bens Fri Jan 7 12:47:27 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j07HlRVY002238 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:47:27 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j07HlR8G002237 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:47:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:47:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200501071747.j07HlRjW002233@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Aidan McLeer" To: Subject: Re: Pubs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org About the pubs being dismantled in Ireland, I will let you know as I will be there in 2 weeks.... Good excuse to visit as many as possible........ Later Aidan http://community.webshots.com/user/auditech ----- Original Message ----- From: "charles irvin" To: Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 12:01 AM Subject: Re: Pubs > > Brent, > > It was an inspired guess: not many Series rigs in your town, and most > there are owned by George. He's great people. > > I know what you mean about money/time: I seem to have accumulated several > 109's in the last couple of years (6: 2 1/2 of them are runners, the > others are projects - and that's JUST the Rovers!). With the way work has [ 39 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jan 7 13:04:58 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j07I4wVY002904 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 13:04:58 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j07I4wn5002903 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 13:04:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 13:04:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200501071804.j07I4wh2002899@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Maybe no more Mojave Road??? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks, Janet handed me a Fresno Bee this morning to show me an article on some child abusers in Orange County, but I beamed in on another article: apparently, a judge has ordered the BLM to ban off-road traffic in several wildlife areas in the Mojave Desert, because of fear of injuring/death to the desert tortoises. However, the article wasn't specific on what areas specifically, are being affected. As the Mojave Road passes through such an area, I think it's time to check with the BLM & see what's going on. Anybody else hear anything about it??? Charles From bens Fri Jan 7 13:55:15 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j07ItFVY005138 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 13:55:15 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j07ItF8w005137 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 13:55:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 13:55:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200501071855.j07ItEec005133@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: carl kruger To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Maybe no more Mojave Road??? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I saw that article in the Chronicle yesterday. They had a rudimentary map but since I've not spent much time in that part of the state I did not have a good point of reference. The article mentioned the ban is in place until a certain report can be finished, but we know how those things tend to go. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/chronicle/archive/2005/01/06/BAGI6ALOMR1.DTL&o=0&type=printable Carl At 01:04 PM 1/7/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Folks, > >Janet handed me a Fresno Bee this morning to show me an article on some >child abusers in Orange County, but I beamed in on another article: >apparently, a judge has ordered the BLM to ban off-road traffic in several >wildlife areas in the Mojave Desert, because of fear of injuring/death to >the desert tortoises. However, the article wasn't specific on what areas >specifically, are being affected. > [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jan 7 17:04:44 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j07M4iVY013088 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:04:44 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j07M4in6013087 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:04:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:04:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200501072204.j07M4hA8013083@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "ishiiman" To: Subject: TJM front bumper Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 24 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" Uncle Roger? There was a post by someone with that name about a year ago regarding = competitive pricing on TJM front bumpers. I'd like to know where he got = his bumper. TIA Rupert From bens Fri Jan 7 22:35:54 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j083ZsVY026762 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 22:35:54 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j083ZsFv026761 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 22:35:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 22:35:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200501080335.j083Zslj026757@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. RE: Mendocino not-a-rally dates Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I didn't see that. April is a busy month but I might try to go... JoeM '67 SIIA Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:09:15 -0500 From: "rupert j" <0792@medicineshoppe.com> Subject: Also NCRC members are invited to SCLR Rover Rendezvous V at Panamint Springs April 1-2-3 on a reservation only basis. It's open to the first 100 vehicles which sign-up. Joe, did you signup? I did. Rupert __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bens Sat Jan 8 00:51:00 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j085p0VY001671 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 00:51:00 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j085p0gI001670 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 00:51:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 00:51:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200501080551.j085p05J001666@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Maybe no more Mojave Road??? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yeah...I'd better check with the BLM's Barstow office, or with Mr. Casebier: Mojave Road runs right through the middle of that area! Not cool. :( Charles -----Original message----- From: carl kruger ckruger@mail.arc.nasa.gov Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:55:15 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Maybe no more Mojave Road??? > > I saw that article in the Chronicle yesterday. They had a rudimentary map > but since I've not spent much time in that part of the state I did not have > a good point of reference. The article mentioned the ban is in place until > a certain report can be finished, but we know how those things tend to go. > > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/chronicle/archive/2005/01/06/BAGI6ALOMR1.DTL&o=0&type=printable > > [ 15 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Jan 8 01:54:27 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j086sRVY004116 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 01:54:27 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j086sR6t004115 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 01:54:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 01:54:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200501080654.j086sRJo004111@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "rupert jung" To: Subject: NCRC email Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 117 lines filtered. ] charset="us-ascii" I tried sending an e-mail to the secretary of NCRC, it came back .Petra, is the mailbox dead? Is the club dead? Rupert From bens Sat Jan 8 11:48:41 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j08GmfVY029182 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:48:41 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j08Gmf1X029181 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:48:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:48:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200501081648.j08Gmfci029177@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Matt W" To: Subject: Parts check please Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 42 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" Hello mendo list, I'm taking advantage of the rain to do a some maintanence on my series = three. I have a new distributor from PB purchased approximately two = years ago, I assume its Lucas part number ETC5835. I know it has the red = points. (I looked this morning)=20 Does anyone know some alternative part numbers for the cap rotor and = points and condenser? if not I'll order on Monday from BP. I'll probably have enough to do with adjusting the valves, and changing = the oil. Oh yeah I'll be making rocket with my son were using a 2 liter bottle = and a bike air pump, if it works we will bring it to mendo. Thanks, Matt Wilson From bens Sat Jan 8 11:58:02 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j08Gw2VY029647 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:58:02 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j08Gw2vp029646 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:58:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:58:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200501081658.j08Gw1P1029642@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Road Closings/Desert Tortoises Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles wrote: > Apparently, a judge has ordered the BLM to ban off-road traffic in several > wildlife areas in the Mojave Desert, because of fear of injuring/death to the > desert tortoises. About five or more years ago there was a guy from Orange County with a Range Rover Classic on the RRO/CSO list that was really involved with desert tortoise habitat preservation. Does anyone remember him? I don't think he ever made it on to the Mendo list. Kevin From bens Sat Jan 8 12:24:13 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j08HODVY030706 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 12:24:13 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j08HOD9d030705 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 12:24:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 12:24:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200501081724.j08HODGJ030701@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Road Closings/Desert Tortoises Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A further note: I looked on the BLM websote: they have a link to the court's decision, and I'll read through it - though at a glance, it appears that The Road is okay, but I'm not sure...the court seems to have granted and denied motions from both sides. Oh well...I gotta go - I'm running late again! Charles -----Original message----- From: "Kevin Kelly" kkelly6788@earthlink.net Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:58:02 -0800 To: "Mendo List" mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Road Closings/Desert Tortoises > > Charles wrote: > > > Apparently, a judge has ordered the BLM to ban off-road traffic in several > > wildlife areas in the Mojave Desert, because of fear of injuring/death to > the > > desert tortoises. > > About five or more years ago there was a guy from Orange County with a Range [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Jan 8 14:50:12 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j08JoCVY005259 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:50:12 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j08JoCnO005258 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:50:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:50:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200501081950.j08JoCjQ005254@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: good reading Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 23 lines filtered. ] I'll echo Granny, and add one in the "Did anybody else read this" category. > Blair, > > Thanks for those historical and enjoyable LR tidbits! I read a Car and Driver back in the good old days which dealt with, of all things, driving on the railroad tracks. There was a long discourse on which American cars were capable of this feat, and then the throwaway line, "and of course the Land Rovers can too. Perhaps the ramblings of a feverish mind, but while one should never, never ever, attempt the feat, it is worthy of the thought experiment. Zack From bens Sat Jan 8 14:57:16 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j08JvGVY005582 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:57:16 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j08JvGFx005581 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:57:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:57:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200501081957.j08JvGRt005577@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Search-and-rescue finds Chico men lost in forest Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 31 lines filtered. ] In a message dated 1/6/05 10:30:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, androbus@yahoo.com writes: > who else in Chico would have a new land-rover? > .....probably not on the list, but this should be a > reminder to all to only venture out where you can go safely > and carry supplies! > > Paul > > Gosh Paul, like a few tools, and a workshop manual? Couldn't resist. The CHP just dragged a few guys out of the Mendo area who were from Woodland. Probably not Collitch Kids. Not mentioned if it was a Rover, but I did know the CHP Pilot from when I got them their new office a couple of years ago. Zack From bens Sat Jan 8 18:44:26 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j08NiQVY015090 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 18:44:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j08NiQZe015089 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 18:44:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 18:44:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200501082344.j08NiQJi015085@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Parts check please (Rocket - No LR Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Matt W wrote: > ... > >Oh yeah I'll be making rocket with my son were using a 2 liter bottle = >and a bike air pump, if it works we will bring it to mendo. > It will work! All you need is a cork from a hardware store, a pump needle, and a pump. Have your son make 3 fins. Use duct tape to hold the fins to the bottle. If you make the fins tall enough, you can use a bicycle floor pump with the hose running under the rocket as your son pumps the rocket. Get the cam ready ... Frank From bens Sat Jan 8 20:38:52 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j091cqVY019752 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 20:38:52 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j091cqXF019751 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 20:38:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 20:38:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200501090138.j091cphA019747@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Matt W" To: Subject: Re: Parts check please (Rocket - No LR Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Your right it worked! I'm bring the air pump to Mendo bring your soda bottles, On the Land Rover, Adjusted the valves re-set the points adjusted the timing new plugs and an oil change great day in the garage! Matt W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 3:44 PM Subject: Re: Parts check please (Rocket - No LR Content) > > Matt W wrote: > >> ... >> >>Oh yeah I'll be making rocket with my son were using a 2 liter bottle = >>and a bike air pump, if it works we will bring it to mendo. >> > [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Jan 8 21:09:21 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0929LVY021039 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 21:09:21 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0929LqO021038 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 21:09:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 21:09:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200501090209.j0929KIV021034@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: pertronix FS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hiya, I have a Pertronics 144 electronic ignition for sale for a series land rover with a later dizzy that Stubby has. My best idea is check BP for applications, I need a 142 and since I didn't buy it from BP, I can't return it. $40 cheers, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby", 2004 Honda Element "Ellie?" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano-the commuter, 2000 custom fixed gear (I built the frame), 2004 Steve Rex-road single ours: 2005 Steve Rex tandem (coming) From bens Sun Jan 9 21:54:55 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0A2stVY023021 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 21:54:55 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0A2stVH023020 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 21:54:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 21:54:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200501100254.j0A2stGA023016@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: New 4.2L Rover V8 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Land Rover just announced that the new top of the line 2006 Range Rover will have a 4.2L V8 just like the top of the line Range Rover LWB had in 1993-1995. The 2006 4.2L V8 will be supercharged and have 400hp (double the hp of the 4.2L V8 in the1995 LWB), For more info and photos click the link below. It is amazing how fast every auto and truck manufacturer is increasing horsepower these days. The Range Rover went from 135hp in 1970 to 150hp in 1988 (an increase of less than 1hp per year) then went from 150hp to 225hp in 2002 (an increase of a little over 5hp per year) and is now up to 400hp (an increase of about 25hp per year). Kevin http://www.autospies.com/article/index.asp?articleId=3812 Spy photos of the new MBZ G-Wagen http://www.autocar.co.uk/news_article.asp?na_id=212952 P.S. The MBZ SL has gone from 105hp in the first 190SL to 604hp for the current AMG SL65... http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=16&article_id=8893 From bens Sun Jan 9 22:33:05 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0A3X5VY024987 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:33:05 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0A3X5d1024985 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:33:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:33:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200501100333.j0A3X5xA024981@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Jeremy Bartlett To: mendo Subject: Railroad tracks - Re: good reading Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The washboard effect disappears at approximately 12mph in a D90 :) Jeremy "I read a Car and Driver back in the good old days which dealt with, of all things, driving on the railroad tracks. There was a long discourse on which American cars were capable of this feat, and then the throwaway line, "and of course the Land Rovers can too.Perhaps the ramblings of a feverish mind, but while one should never, never ever, attempt the feat, it is worthy of the thought experiment. Zack" From bens Mon Jan 10 01:08:22 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0A68MVY000792 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 01:08:22 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0A68MUm000791 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 01:08:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 01:08:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200501100608.j0A68L2R000787@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: RN newsletter Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just finished reading the Rovers North winter newsletter. Great reading - Not sure whether to buy their disc brake conversion kits, a Classic, build a hybrid, or convert to Biodiesel! Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From bens Mon Jan 10 02:24:08 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0A7O8VY003843 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 02:24:08 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0A7O80I003842 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 02:24:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 02:24:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200501100724.j0A7O88s003838@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Daniel E. Smith" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: RN newsletter Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Joe, I'd say stick with what works...and that '67 has been working for a long time. The disc are tempting. I live in Ventura where the last few storms seem to have hit the worst. I went down a street today where the water was up to the bumper on my 88". It took some time for my drums to dry out so I could stop. It was still fun. Daniel --- joe mulqueen wrote: > > Just finished reading the Rovers North winter > newsletter. Great reading - Not sure whether to buy > their disc brake conversion kits, a Classic, build a > hybrid, or convert to Biodiesel! > Joe Mulqueen > '67 SIIA 109 SW > > [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From bens Mon Jan 10 09:37:08 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0AEb8VY021952 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:37:08 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0AEb89T021951 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:37:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:37:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200501101437.j0AEb8pD021947@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: tomw To: mendo Subject: Re: New 4.2L Rover V8 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Sun, 2005-01-09 at 18:54, Kevin Kelly wrote: > Land Rover just announced that the new top of the line 2006 Range Rover will > have a 4.2L V8 just like the top of the line Range Rover LWB had in > 1993-1995. hmmm, more horsepower is good, but I wonder what the fuel consumption is? ( I bet its not bad if driven like a nun, but horrible when ya get on it all the time ) > > Kevin > > http://www.autospies.com/article/index.asp?articleId=3812 > > Spy photos of the new MBZ G-Wagen > > http://www.autocar.co.uk/news_article.asp?na_id=212952 Ugh! looks like a station wagon, bummer! I think its lost its character. I do like the look of the newer rangie though. > > P.S. The MBZ SL has gone from 105hp in the first 190SL to 604hp for the > current AMG SL65... > > http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=16&article_id=8893 nice! I have an AMG sl55 and a "classic" 2004 G, and a new style rangie. As in diecast models that is :) ( as well as a bunch of other rovers and cars ) alot easier to maintain when they are on the shelf in my office, and I only have to worry about my daughter getting at them :) -- TomW From bens Mon Jan 10 10:39:44 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0AFdiVY024576 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:39:44 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0AFdiP3024575 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:39:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:39:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200501101539.j0AFdimM024571@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: New 4.2L Rover V8 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >>> kkelly6788@earthlink.net 01/09/05 06:54PM >>> """Land Rover just announced that the new top of the line 2006 Range Rover will have a 4.2L V8 just like the top of the line Range Rover LWB had in 1993-1995. The 2006 4.2L V8 will be supercharged and have 400hp (double the hp of the 4.2L V8 in the1995 LWB), For more info and photos click the link below."""" Well maybe the four wheel drive magazines, which downgraded the LR3 for lack of power (?!?!?) vs. the Tourag and Jeep Grand Cherokee or whatever, will now say it can get out of its own way and burn rubber going up Cadillac Hill. Funny Motor Trend didn't have a problem. From bens Mon Jan 10 12:22:29 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0AHMTVY029015 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:22:29 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0AHMT1N029014 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:22:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:22:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200501101722.j0AHMSi3029010@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: 88" for sale (NOT mine) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks, I don't have one, but... I just got an email from Pat Young: seems he's got his SIII 88" for sale. Fresh gearbox, and possible a spare engine to go with it. (it has a Chevy 6 cylinder in it!) If anybody's interested, you can email him at Rovergo@aol.com, or call him at 661-273-4719. I've known this truck for many years, and it's a good one. Charles From bens Mon Jan 10 12:58:27 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0AHwRVY030540 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:58:27 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0AHwRb7030539 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:58:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:58:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200501101758.j0AHwReX030535@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: CHRISBONIN@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Please REMOVE Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 12 lines filtered. ] REMOVE me from list From bens Mon Jan 10 14:00:52 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0AJ0qVY000853 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:00:52 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0AJ0qvx000852 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:00:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:00:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200501101900.j0AJ0prr000848@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: joelucas@princeofdarkness.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: 11th Annual, Joe Lucas Mendocino Not-A-Rallye Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org What: 11th Annual Joe Lucas Mendocino Not-A-Rallye When: 22-24 April 2005 Where: Cedar Camp, Mendocino National Forest, California Instructions: Bring your own everything. There are outhouses on site. Pot luck dinner Saturday night--bring an item to contribute (hors d'overs, entree, or dessert) Reliable sources say that turnouts have been lighter in recent years. Let's make an effort to get another 30+ Land Rover Mendo. Make Cedar Camp overflow with campers! Even if your Rover isn't running, come out and camp with your fellow Rover owners--even if it is just for Saturday night. And for those that don't, I just might have to send my pal Nigel to visit. ;-) An active rumor mill says that Ben Smith will be driving out from NJ for the event. Joe From bens Mon Jan 10 15:52:03 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0AKq3VY005680 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:52:03 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0AKq3GD005679 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:52:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:52:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200501102052.j0AKq2DU005675@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: RE: RN newsletter Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 43 lines filtered. ] Sticking to what works, works for me, but the series 109 brakes are SH*T. it is a 5000lb car and try doing an emergency brake on it. Disks are GREAT, if you have the money. I have had them on mine for over a year and 12000 miles now. They are worn evenly and still bunch of pad left and are the best thing, I have done to my truck. Mehdi From bens Mon Jan 10 16:34:40 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0ALYeVY007505 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:34:40 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0ALYeUN007504 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:34:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:34:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200501102134.j0ALYdZc007498@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: RN newsletter Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Sticking to what works, works for me, but the series 109 brakes are SH*T. > it is a 5000lb car and try doing an emergency brake on it. Disks are GREAT, > if you have the money. I have had them on mine for over a year and 12000 > miles now. They are worn evenly and still bunch of pad left and are the > best thing, I have done to my truck. Mehdi Hey Medhi, did you have the 109 6 cyl brakes as stock?I've never had any concerns about the strength of the brakes on the Dormie. Originally, it was series 2A remote power booster single circuit. Now thanks to BCB, it's dual circuit series 3 style power brakes with same front and rear 109 6 cyl brakes (that would be the 3 inch wide 6 cyl front and regular 109 rear drums.) Just asking, say Hi to Christine and happy new year to the whole family, john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens Mon Jan 10 19:42:45 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0B0gjVY015919 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:42:45 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0B0gjI5015918 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:42:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:42:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200501110042.j0B0gjlo015914@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Sergi, Michael" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Wire Routing Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Can anyone tell me the proper wire routing as the wiring harness for the horn and front lights passes by the battery tray support? I am talking about the actual support welded to the frame (flat top, four legs). The wire looks like it could go under the battery tray or around it between the wing and the support. Mine has a metal loop that is bolted to the support which could go either way. Just one of those minor details that's easier to check and get right now. Thanks. From bens Mon Jan 10 20:38:32 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0B1cWVY018215 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:38:32 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0B1cWgO018214 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:38:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:38:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200501110138.j0B1cWam018210@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Matt W" To: Subject: Rochester Carburetor and pointless ignitions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 30 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" Question #1 If you had a 2.25 liter with a 34 ICH Weber carburetor, and the truck = runs fine. I rebuilt the engine about three years ago so it has good = compression etc. Would you make the effort to switch to the Rochester? = Has anyone on the list had both carburetors? Question #2 I'm interested In switching from points to the Pertronix pointless = ignition, Good idea? Side note #1 after two days in the garage. I'm back in love with series = ownership. (I know, I'm preaching to the choir)=20 Side note #2 driving the truck as a front wheel drive vehicle isn't bad, = it actually works pretty good.=20 Matt W From bens Mon Jan 10 22:03:56 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0B33uVY021975 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:03:56 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0B33uoX021974 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:03:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:03:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200501110303.j0B33uRM021970@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Rochester Carburetor and pointless ignitions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > If you had a 2.25 liter with a 34 ICH Weber carburetor, and the truck = > runs fine. I rebuilt the engine about three years ago so it has good = > compression etc. Would you make the effort to switch to the Rochester? > = > No. > Question #2 > I'm interested In switching from points to the Pertronix pointless = > ignition, Good idea? I was convinced to try it, but bought the wrong version from a fellow Mendo lister. I should have double checked the models, instead of thinking that any 4 cylinder model would work. > Side note #2 driving the truck as a front wheel drive vehicle isn't > bad, = > it actually works pretty good.=20 > take it easy on hard turns and you'll be fine. John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby", 2004 Honda Element "Ellie?" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano-the commuter, 2000 custom fixed gear (I built the frame), 2004 Steve Rex-road single ours: 2005 Steve Rex tandem (coming) From bens Mon Jan 10 22:06:26 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0B36QVY022200 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:06:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0B36Qrg022199 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:06:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:06:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200501110306.j0B36Q3q022193@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Rochester Carburetor and pointless ignitions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200501110138.j0B1cWam018210@coriana6.fourfold.org>you wrote: > If you had a 2.25 liter with a 34 ICH Weber carburetor, and the truck = > runs fine. I rebuilt the engine about three years ago so it has good = > compression etc. Would you make the effort to switch to the Rochester? = > Has anyone on the list had both carburetors? I've got both carbs. I found that the Rochester has a smidge more power and the Weber gives a smidge more gas milege. Northing major. What I have been doing is driving on one carb until it needs a rebuild and switching to the other. Though I stopped driving Dora in 1998. She's got the Weber 34 ICH on her now once I finish the rebuild. Ben From bens Mon Jan 10 22:14:33 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0B3EXVY022446 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:14:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0B3EX5K022445 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:14:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:14:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200501110314.j0B3EX38022441@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: WWII Truck Off Road? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A friend was asking me if I knew if it would be legal to operate a WWII era truck without license plates "off road" in California (like this half track on eBay item 4518546629). Can you get a "green sticker" for any kind of vehicle and legally operate it on the dirt roads in the Mendocino National Forest? Kevin http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=80765&item=4518546629&rd=1 From bens Mon Jan 10 23:28:31 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0B4SVVY025637 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:28:31 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0B4SV12025636 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:28:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:28:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200501110428.j0B4SU8D025632@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: John's pointless ignition Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- John Hess wrote: > > > Question #2 > > I'm interested In switching from points to the > Pertronix pointless = > > ignition, Good idea? > > > I was convinced to try it, but bought the wrong version > from a fellow [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John, if I remember right, there are only two versions....one is for posative earth and teh other for negative. Bob B? or others in my mentor group...what do you say? Paul(who knows I will need a posative earth pertronix soon, but will pass up for now for financial reasons) From bens Mon Jan 10 23:45:54 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0B4jsVY026453 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:45:54 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0B4jsQQ026452 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:45:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:45:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200501110445.j0B4jrtm026448@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: WWII Truck Off Road? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Kevin Kelly wrote: > > A friend was asking me if I knew if it would be legal to > operate a WWII era > truck without license plates "off road" in California > (like this half track > on eBay item 4518546629). > > Can you get a "green sticker" for any kind of vehicle and > legally operate it [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] hmm! well for certain areas, yes.. I used to ride my green-stickered dirtbikes there .. ....and for this old beastie, no worries anyway..just get it registered and insured and drive it! it;s dirt cheap for old iron or if you don't want to insure..just get a green stiker as you suggest... paul(who had a fear Kevin is trying to hide his desire to buy and drive an old halftrack at mendo this year to be "different" ya know there ARE british mv's out there!!) From bens Tue Jan 11 00:32:52 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0B5WqVY029608 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 00:32:52 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0B5WqUc029607 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 00:32:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 00:32:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200501110532.j0B5Wp9c029603@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Eyekelly@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Pointless ignitions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 24 lines filtered. ] I would go for it - I've had a Pertronix on my L.A. 1970 IIA 88" SW since shortly after I bought it (6 years ago?) and it's been very reliable. No more having to set the points. Cheers, Ian Kelly 1970 Series IIA (Los Angeles) 1982 Series III (London, UK) In a message dated 1/10/2005 8:34:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, owner-mendo_recce-digest@fourfold.org writes: > Question #2 > > I'm interested In switching from points to the Pertronix pointless = > ignition, Good idea? > From bens Tue Jan 11 00:42:54 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0B5grVY030046 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 00:42:53 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0B5grPB030045 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 00:42:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 00:42:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200501110542.j0B5grQG030041@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Single Malt Jerry Can Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At almost $40 USD, it is expensive but I thought others might like to take a look at a cool pewter 6 oz hip flask shaped like a Jerry Can complete with a Land Rover badge on front that I found on eBay (Item number: 4517043446). Kevin P.S. Last time I bought a bottle of 17 year old Bowmore it was in a gift box that included a stainless steel flask and cigar holder... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4517043446&ssPageName=MERC_VI_RSCC_Pr4_PcN__Stores From bens Tue Jan 11 01:40:07 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0B6e7VY032738 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 01:40:07 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0B6e7IX032737 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 01:40:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 01:40:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200501110640.j0B6e7Tt032688@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "kminnick" To: Subject: RE: New 4.2L Rover V8 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Wow- Drive by wire throttle - perfect if you don't mind not being able to control your throttle out in the middle of no where. Many car companies have tried this with varying success. And, when they do fail, it's only $400 for a new throttle body! I imagine it will only fail sooner being out in the dirt and such. sigh. Rover turning into a fluff 4wd company like everyone else? Shoot, they're owned by Ford. Where is the USA bound Defender with Ford 9" axles complete with manual lockers (like OX), an aluminum 302, etc.? Guess there aren't enough glitzy parts to fail in that concept. Later, Kelly Minnick p.s. I do like the 310 HP MB diesel 4.0L > Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 21:54:55 -0500 > From: "Kevin Kelly" > Subject: New 4.2L Rover V8 > > Land Rover just announced that the new top of the line 2006 Range > Rover will > have a 4.2L V8 just like the top of the line Range Rover LWB had in > 1993-1995. > [ 18 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jan 11 01:48:57 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0B6mvVY000552 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 01:48:57 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0B6mvMI000551 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 01:48:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 01:48:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200501110648.j0B6mvJ3000547@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Wrong Model Pertronix Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey John, > I was convinced to try it, but bought the wrong version from a fellow > Mendo lister. I should have double checked the models, instead of > thinking that any 4 cylinder model would work. You got that set from me. I bought them from Bill at Great Basin Rovers and never tried to install them in Millie. I was at his shop in Salt Lake City and bought them during that visit. I found them after I sold Millie and offered them up to the list. Bill told me they'd fit and I never gave it a second thought. Remind me what I sold them for and I'll send you a check. No need to return them to me as I have no need for them now that Millie is gone. My 5 year old son William really misses that Rover. No worries mate, Keith From bens Tue Jan 11 01:54:41 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0B6sfVY000769 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 01:54:41 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0B6sfFu000768 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 01:54:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 01:54:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200501110654.j0B6sfA5000763@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "kminnick" To: Cc: Subject: RE:RN newsletter Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Why not one of each? You should see my list of vehicles - it's sad... Later, Kelly Minnick From bens Tue Jan 11 02:00:18 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0B70HVY001111 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 02:00:17 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0B70HmS001110 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 02:00:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 02:00:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200501110700.j0B70HE1001106@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Single Malt Jerry Can Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org kevin, I'm sure the flask is made from Stainless...possibly with a pewter(modern formulation w/o lead) based and enameled Land-Rover badge adheared to it with some sort of adhesive...cool, but for teh price, I can probably set you up with one that even ahs your name engraved on it. ;-) i've held this flask in my hand a few times, either plain or with various different "badges" attached) if it was pewter, it would look different. look at the "handle" may help to see his other auctions for other angles...is stamped sheet-stainless...but anyway...most old school flasks I held back in England as a child are either silver or pewter like my fathers.(well his is silver, but is 100+ yuears old...) ...makes me wonder how my series of hand-made sterling silver land-rover key chains will go over when finished! ;-) here are a few similar ones: http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/JERFLA_.htm http://www.gizmos-us.com/Jerry%20Can%20Hip%20Flask.html etc BUT... personally I'd rather have THIS!: http://www.sc.edu/fitzgerald/collection/flask.html Kevin, is the one ou got like the middle one here? http://nservices.com/flask.htm others are cool too! and these! http://www.nextag.com/buyer/outpdir.jsp?nxtg=ff38_CE590491177A719A&search=hip+flask&node=2700400 and.. here is one that just goes perfectly with teh rangie! http://www.orvis.com/store/product_choice.asp?pf_id=758G&dir_id=1034&group_id=1039&cat_id=5180&subcat_id=6123&feature_id=42 we have a vintage sixties samsonite version..not my favorite, but durable! ;-) --- Kevin Kelly wrote: > > At almost $40 USD, it is expensive but I thought others > might like to take a > look at a cool pewter 6 oz hip flask shaped like a Jerry > Can complete with a > Land Rover badge on front that I found on eBay (Item > number: 4517043446). From bens Tue Jan 11 02:04:27 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0B74RVY001213 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 02:04:27 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0B74Rtf001212 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 02:04:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 02:04:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200501110704.j0B74RMB001208@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "kminnick" To: "Mendo" Subject: RE: John's pointless ignition Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Paul, why don't you flash your generator and make it neg. ground? Actually, even if you don't, as long as you hook up your Pertronix backwards (correct flow for those little electrons), it won't matter. I think Pertronix and their Flame Thrower coil (and now Pertronix II, etc.) are the best thing since sliced bread! Take care, Kelly Minnick From bens Tue Jan 11 02:14:36 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0B7EaVY001627 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 02:14:36 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0B7Eadu001626 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 02:14:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 02:14:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200501110714.j0B7Eado001622@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: John's pointless ignition Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- kminnick wrote: > > Paul, why don't you flash your generator and make it neg. > ground? Actually, > even if you don't, as long as you hook up your Pertronix > backwards (correct > flow for those little electrons), it won't matter. I > think Pertronix and > their Flame Thrower coil (and now Pertronix II, etc.) are > the best thing [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] well Kelly I've done that before, and it does work! (thanks Bob B!) I don' even have a pos earth rover(or MG or...) these days... just mentioning...but you're right! I forgot a bout this. same with some other electric parts of old pos earth cars... Paul(ya know sliced bread really isn't what is's cracked up to be anyway! I prefer to tear my french bread ahd just bite into it!) From bens Tue Jan 11 09:12:36 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0BECaVY019124 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:12:36 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0BECan4019123 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:12:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:12:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200501111412.j0BECaqo019119@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Bob and Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: WWII Truck Off Road? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Several years ago there was a Ferret British attack? vehicle at the Chico British car show. Kind of neat looking. Bob B At 08:45 PM 1/10/2005, you wrote: >--- Kevin Kelly wrote: > > > > > A friend was asking me if I knew if it would be legal to > > operate a WWII era > > truck without license plates "off road" in California > > (like this half track > > on eBay item 4518546629). > > [ 17 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jan 11 10:34:52 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0BFYqVY022621 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:34:52 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0BFYqdo022620 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:34:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:34:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200501111534.j0BFYqiR022616@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Wrong Model Pertronix Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey you, Don't worry. Matt is probably going to take it, and if not, Bill offered to exchange it! I'll get what I paid back and it's no sweat. cheers, On Jan 10, 2005, at 10:48 PM, Keith Shukait wrote: > > Hey John, > >> I was convinced to try it, but bought the wrong version from a fellow >> Mendo lister. I should have double checked the models, instead of >> thinking that any 4 cylinder model would work. > You got that set from me. I bought them from Bill at Great Basin > Rovers and never tried to install them in Millie. I was at his shop in > Salt Lake City and bought them during that visit. I found them after I [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby", 2004 Honda Element "Ellie?" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano-the commuter, 2000 custom fixed gear (I built the frame), 2004 Steve Rex-road single ours: 2005 Steve Rex tandem (coming) From bens Tue Jan 11 11:10:26 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0BGAQVY024365 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:10:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0BGAPT4024356 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:10:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:10:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200501111610.j0BGAOqt024349@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Rochester Carburetor and pointless ignitions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >>> rvrfish@cox.net 01/10/05 05:38PM >>> [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 30 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" Question #1 If you had a 2.25 liter with a 34 ICH Weber carburetor, and the truck = runs fine. I rebuilt the engine about three years ago so it has good = compression etc. Would you make the effort to switch to the Rochester? = Has anyone on the list had both carburetors? I've had the original Zenith then went to a Rochester. It was the best single, cheapest upgrade I made to my 2.25. I ran it for over 50K miles 'til I did an engine swap. The MPG went from 18 hwy to 17.5 with the Rochester, but acceleration and power went up a very noticeable 15%. The Rochester has the best cfm flow numbers for a single barrel carb. that will go on a 2.25, much better than the single Weber. Didn't even give it a second thought after installation. Your results may vary. I got the right model and the right jet...not just any old Rochester will do. Scotty actually sold me something I didn't have to return or fight with to get to work - and at a fair price :). British Pacific seems to be the source to get the proper model. I've "heard" that some folks who have the single barrel Weber have had burnt valve issues, 'cuz it runs too lean, or CAN run too lean if you don't jet it properly. So now you get involved with the whole world of "How to Jet A Weber". I've got a 32/36 Weber on my engine, so I've gone thru the jetting business.~~What fun~~ From bens Tue Jan 11 11:26:57 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0BGQvVY025061 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:26:57 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0BGQv8X025060 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:26:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:26:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200501111626.j0BGQvBM025056@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Blair Peterson" To: Subject: Re: RN newsletter (carbs too) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Joe, I'll trade you feedback on your Roverdrive for feedback on my not-yet-installed disk brake conversion. But based on what Mehdi said (and I've driven his truck), the discs sound pretty good. So, given how nice your truck is, I'd do the discs now (actually, how about waiting until after BCB finishes mine!) and think about that veggie-oil conversion down the road... Matt, I've had Rochester, Solex and Weber (2bbl) on a 2.25L. I don't think switching from a good running Weber (even 1bbl) to Roch will give any big advantage. Cheers, Blair -------------------------------------------------------- This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information intended for the specific individual or entity addressed, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient you must not disseminate, forward, print or copy it in any form or take any action or reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message or by calling +1 510-844-3000. Thank you. -------------------------------------------------------- From bens Tue Jan 11 11:50:26 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0BGoQVY027403 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:50:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0BGoQmT027402 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:50:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:50:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200501111650.j0BGoP3M027398@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: RE: RN newsletter Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John, I had regular, single line. No booster 4 banger brakes. I went through it right after I bought it and fixed all, but it is marginal. What you have is much better than what was on mine. Mehdi From bens Tue Jan 11 12:21:29 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0BHLTVY028657 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:21:29 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0BHLTSM028656 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:21:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:21:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200501111721.j0BHLTHn028652@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: hipine@att.net To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Wire Routing Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html ] [ 18 lines filtered. ] "...Can anyone tell me the proper wire routing as the wiring harness for the horn and front lights passes by the battery tray support? .....The wire looks like it could go under the battery tray or around it between the wing and the support. ...." I'm not sure how it was done originally from the factory, but I'd put it in the more protected location under the tray. Wouldn't want it to get between the chassis or battery support and the wing or wing edge risking abrasion and a possible short. That would be my main concern. -Dave G. From bens Tue Jan 11 13:25:25 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0BIPPVY031449 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:25:25 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0BIPPfp031441 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:25:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:25:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200501111825.j0BIPN8H031427@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Brian J Welsh" To: Subject: For Sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cleaning out garage..... 1995 Classic Range Rover front air dam and integrated driving lights - free or alcohol 2003 Disco II Black rear cargo cover - 7 seater with air - usually $100-$150 on discoweb - make offer Front rubber mats - unknown make - nice $ 10 All items are in Santa Rosa and could be delivered to Marin County or maybe Mendo Thanks Brian Welsh 1995 Classic 2000 D II Santa Rosa, CA 415-218-7035 cell From bens Tue Jan 11 15:40:09 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0BKe9VY004896 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:40:09 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0BKe94b004895 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:40:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:40:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200501112040.j0BKe9UM004891@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Stuart Ivie" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Cow Mountain report Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm in Ukiah this week. I drove up to the Cow Mountain South trails this morning (1/11) and there is about 3" of snow. Of course, the gate was closed. The road towards the north trails had closer to 6". The snowy road was fun, especially since this was my first time in the area. Very beautiful; and the traction control only kicked in a few times with my stock Michelins. Stu From bens Tue Jan 11 16:44:33 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0BLiXVY007592 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:44:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0BLiX9F007591 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:44:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:44:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200501112144.j0BLiW1p007587@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: dor@mail.drivearoundtheworld.com Subject: NEW in box OEM defender brush guard Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Guys, as financially it looks like my d-100 project is on hold for a while, I am thinking of liquidating a few things. first of all is the OEM brush-guard still in teh land-rover box(albeit box is pretty manky fron storage..) is anyone out there interested before I put it up on LRX or similar? Paul(am in Fresno CA these days) androbus@yahoo.com From bens Tue Jan 11 21:52:29 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0C2qTVY020503 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:52:29 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0C2qTfF020502 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:52:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:52:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200501120252.j0C2qSms020498@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Jocelyn Saitta To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Car seats for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have 2 front seats and 2 jumps seats from a Land Rover Discovery 2000 for sale. They are in excellent condition, tan leather with black piping, they include complete electrical harness and seats belts. They were taken out of the car in 2000 and have been stored indoors. Price $500. Contact Jocelyn 408 266-0116. From bens Tue Jan 11 22:36:20 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0C3aKVY022351 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:36:20 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0C3aKUh022350 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:36:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:36:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200501120336.j0C3aK3q022346@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Link with Maps of Closed BLM Land Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Siding with environmentalists, a federal judge has ordered the Bush administration to temporarily ban off-roading in desert washes across 572,000 acres in Riverside, San Bernardino and Imperial counties to protect the desert tortoise. The ban will be in effect until biologists with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service reassess the impacts of off-roading on tortoises, a species threatened with extinction, U.S. District Court Judge Susan Illston wrote in issuing the injunction Thursday. http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_offroad05.ef08.html From bens Tue Jan 11 23:37:30 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0C4bUVY024845 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 23:37:30 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0C4bUX8024844 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 23:37:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 23:37:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200501120437.j0C4bUgI024840@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Jeff Rogers To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: RN newsletter Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org pretty sure the rn disc setup is made by bcb. i'll confirm with matt next week when i'm at the shop... On Jan 9, 2005, at 10:08 PM, joe mulqueen wrote: > > Just finished reading the Rovers North winter > newsletter. Great reading - Not sure whether to buy > their disc brake conversion kits, a Classic, build a > hybrid, or convert to Biodiesel! > Joe Mulqueen > '67 SIIA 109 SW > > [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jan 12 10:15:26 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0CFFQVY020508 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:15:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0CFFQTB020507 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:15:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:15:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200501121515.j0CFFQZw020503@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: RN newsletter Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org What! you still have a Rover :) Rob From bens Wed Jan 12 12:38:41 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0CHcfVY026451 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:38:41 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0CHcflJ026450 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:38:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:38:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200501121738.j0CHceUd026446@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: shukait@mac.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Wrong Model Pertronix Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John, > Hey you, Don't worry. Matt is probably going to take it, Cool. > and if not, Bill offered to exchange it! That's because Bill is totally squared away, he really gets customer service. I wish he offered the full range of Series parts as he's easy to deal with. > I'll get what I paid back and it's no sweat. Sounds good. Cheers, Keith From bens Wed Jan 12 12:43:43 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0CHhhVY026675 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:43:43 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0CHhhHE026674 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:43:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:43:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200501121743.j0CHhhm7026670@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: shukait@mac.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Single Malt Jerry Can Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Paul, I don't even drink and I want one... hehe. Nothing sez rehab like booze in a suitcase! > and.. here is one that just goes perfectly with teh rangie! > http://www.orvis.com/store/product_choice.asp? > pf_id=758G&dir_id=1034&group_id=1039&cat_id=5180&subcat_id=6123&feature > _id=42 > we have a vintage sixties samsonite version..not my favorite, but > durable! ;-) Cheers, Keith From bens Wed Jan 12 19:33:06 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0D0X6VY011464 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:33:06 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0D0X6eP011463 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:33:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:33:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200501130033.j0D0X5mD011459@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Webber 2bbl and Pierce Manifold Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Any Land Rover experiences with this set up? Does the "small primary / large secondary" concept play out - ie. crisp low speed response and economy while still allowing lots of flow when the secondary kicks in, right? Thanks, Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From bens Wed Jan 12 22:42:03 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0D3g3VY019363 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:42:03 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0D3g3KX019362 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:42:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:42:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200501130342.j0D3g2bt019358@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "GrannyP" To: Subject: Re: Webber 2bbl and Pierce Manifold Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Joe, I had that set-up on the Snark (Series III 88"). It seemed to work quite well, for me. I contemplated the sync-link kit at one time but eventually decided that I saw no need for it. However, I only had that set-up because I got the bits on another Rover I'd bought. I don't think I'd spend the money for the Pierce manifold, if I were buying new parts. I think it's BP that has an adapter casting that lets you use the Weber 2-bbl on the stock manifold. Not only does that save money but also keeps the heat riser set-up that you lose with the Pierce manifold and that was mine main gripe about my set-up. Bob Bernard has the adapter set-up and seems very happy with it. You could probably make it work even a little better if you did some polishing to the insides of the adapter, stock manifold, and ports. I think it'd be interesting to do a scientific comparison between the two set-ups, to test my hunch that the set-up that Bob has gives better low-end response and maybe even more low-end torque. It was mainly for that reason that I didn't use headers (which I'd experienced on a Series IIA I had earlier) but put new stock exhaust. When the Snark was running at its best, it could climb the grade from Willits, south, to Ridgewood, in 4th gear. I think that was when I was running 31" tires. Not sure if it could still do it with the 32" tires that I fitted later on. Granny > Any Land Rover experiences with this set up? Does the > "small primary / large secondary" concept play out - > ie. crisp low speed response and economy while still > allowing lots of flow when the secondary kicks in, > right? From bens Thu Jan 13 00:26:36 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0D5QaVY025050 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:26:36 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0D5QaUe025049 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:26:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:26:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200501130526.j0D5QZZZ025045@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Webber 2bbl and Pierce Manifold Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 20 lines filtered. ] I've been running the two barrel Weber for almost 20 years on three different engines and in both 88's and 109's. No problem though it's not a miracle cure for the 2 1/4. I've never driven a Rover with a stock carb so can't compare it to stock. Really noticed a difference when I bumped up the compression, did a homebrew port and polish on the head and put in a 2.5 carb. The opening of the second venturi is now much more noticable, with both low and high rpm performance improved. Fuel mileage is pretty much the same as before despite sticking in slightly larger jets. Can't comment on the difference between stock manifold with adapter and the Pearce Manifold as I haven't used the stock manifold. Heard someone claim that the stock manifold and adapter were actually better than the Pearce though that doesn't seem plausible. Keep an eye out on Ebay if you don't want to pay the freight for a new set up. There have been at least two show up in the last year. I may even have a set up for sale if I commit to putting a Mercedes 240D in one of my 88's. Negatives of the Weber are reported carb icing at just above freezing temperatures (Pearce sells a heated manifold to solve this problem), vapor lock (easily cured by rerouting the fuel lines and an electric fuel pump), and a flat spot on some installations when the 2nd venturi opens (sync-link kit cures this). I haven't experienced any of these problems but then it's been awhile since it snowed in Kona. Carb does not like dirty fuel as the jets are at the bottom of the float bowl though this hasn't been a problem for me despite running with an extremely crudded up tank for awhile. Personally, I'm sold on the carb. Easy to work on and really straight forward to set up. Carb seems to work out of the box with the stock 135/140 jets. Some people (BritPac among others) claim you have to go up to 150-165 jets. I haven't found that to be true though bumping up the jets a couple of sizes doesn't hurt.. Aloha Peter O. joe mulqueen wrote: Any Land Rover experiences with this set up? Does the "small primary / large secondary" concept play out - ie. crisp low speed response and economy while still allowing lots of flow when the secondary kicks in, right? Thanks, Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! – Get yours free! From bens Thu Jan 13 00:32:11 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0D5WBVY025267 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:32:11 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0D5WBMH025266 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:32:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:32:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200501130532.j0D5WAQ5025262@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: RE: Webber 2bbl and Pierce Manifold Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 25 lines filtered. ] No Economy. My MPG got worse, but I had more power. Best noticed on hills. i.e. the one by Vallejo. A bit rough when cold. Mehdi From bens Thu Jan 13 09:41:42 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0DEfgVY015886 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:41:42 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0DEfg8i015885 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:41:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:41:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200501131441.j0DEfgcX015881@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Bob and Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Webber 2bbl and Pierce Manifold Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've had a Weber 2bbl (32/36 DGV for 15 years or more on Sherman. I am very happy with it. I don't even know what size jets because I haven't had the need to open it up. I used a 2bbl into 1bbl adapter I bought at a VW parts house and used the stock manifold. BTW if you like an automatic choke, Get a 32/36 DGAV. It has an electric choke that works with one wire from the ignition. I have a 32/36 dgav on my old 72 Datsun which runs great with it. Both of these came off the shelf of an auto wrecker friend in Redwood City. Had been on Datsuns or Toyotas. I recently put a rebuilt engine in and notice it is running leaner when cold so I may look in to see that the jets are clear. Also might even write down the sizes. This engine has a lot of compression so maybe it just wants more gas. I never felt much difference in fuel usage, but definitely notice more power and feel the second barrel opening. I've never had icing up, but did have some vapor lock 10 years ago so I rerouted the fuel line and use an electric pump. I also have a Pierce manifold and another Weber Both almost new that came with the rebuilt engine. I considered using it but the linkage already on the truck wouldn't fit so For now I stayed with the old one. Might even consider selling the Pierce setup. Bob B At 04:33 PM 1/12/2005, you wrote: >Any Land Rover experiences with this set up? Does the >"small primary / large secondary" concept play out - >ie. crisp low speed response and economy while still >allowing lots of flow when the secondary kicks in, >right? >Thanks, >Joe Mulqueen >'67 SIIA > [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jan 13 10:03:47 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0DF3lVY016736 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:03:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0DF3lr3016735 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:03:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:03:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200501131503.j0DF3kwG016731@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Popular Mechanics on the New Range Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "On freeways it does over a hundred, and it cruises comfortably and quietly at 90...should arrive in the United States near the end of the year, priced between $5000 and $6000." -"The New Range Rover," Popular Mechanics, March 1971, p. 46. From bens Thu Jan 13 11:00:53 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0DG0rVY019299 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:00:53 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0DG0rFE019298 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:00:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:00:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200501131600.j0DG0qTZ019294@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Wire Routing Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I missed the original post, but if this is a Series rig, the wiring originally ran along the R.H. inner wing, just above the battery, and was clamped to the inner wing in a few spots. Charles -----Original message----- From: hipine@att.net Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:21:29 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Wire Routing > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html ] > [ 18 lines filtered. ] > > > "...Can anyone tell me the proper wire routing as the wiring harness for the horn and front lights passes by the battery tray support? .....The wire looks like it could go under the battery tray or around it between the wing and the support. ...." > > I'm not sure how it was done originally from the factory, but I'd put it in the more protected location under the tray. Wouldn't want it to get between the chassis or battery support and the wing or wing edge risking abrasion and a possible short. That would be my main concern. [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jan 13 13:28:15 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0DISFVY025424 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:28:15 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0DISFOH025423 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:28:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:28:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200501131828.j0DISF4i025419@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Jeff Rogers To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: RN newsletter Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yeah, the 90 has been in my driveway the whole time. I just feed it a battery now and then. :^( -->Jeff On Jan 12, 2005, at 7:15 AM, Kerner, Rob wrote: > > What! you still have a Rover :) > > Rob > > From bens Thu Jan 13 13:28:39 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0DIScVY025441 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:28:38 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0DISc7C025440 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:28:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:28:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200501131828.j0DIScvY025436@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: BwanaE@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: To: Joe Lucas re: Mendo 2005 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 47 lines filtered. ] Dear Joe...uh...Prince...um..Your Highness, We're so glad that you're planning yet another gathering of the Landrover faithful this coming April 23/24. Herewith notice that Brigid, myself, Gundog Gus, and "Bubba" the 101 Forward Control will be attending. We'll bring along massive quantities of 2003 Syrah for sharing along with a game dish for the potluck. We also are hoping for a large Landrover turnout this year, and hope to see many old friends as well as new. PS: In view of the already heavy snow pack and the prospect of a continued harsh winter, might we consider altering the venue from Cedar Camp to a lower elevation thereby assuring a successful get-together? Perhaps one of the sites along Goat Mountain road down at river level? Perhaps Fouts Springs? Eric Cope 1232 Appaloosa Rd. Angels Camp, CA. 95222 home: 209-736-9279 cell : 209-988-2842 email: BwanaE@aol.com From bens Thu Jan 13 13:41:42 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0DIfgVY026123 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:41:42 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0DIfgAi026122 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:41:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:41:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200501131841.j0DIfgtS026118@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: RN newsletter Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Jeff Rogers wrote: > > Yeah, the 90 has been in my driveway the whole time. I > just feed it a > battery now and then. :^( -->Jeff We all thought you sold if off for financial or other reasons...can't recall now?? What is wrong with it? if it's fine I'd think you would drive it?(confused..) Paul(wishing there was a d-90 in the carport instead of Elgie(S-IIA, but I am finally bolting on the rebuilt head today! YEAH!) > On Jan 12, 2005, at 7:15 AM, Kerner, Rob wrote: > > What! you still have a Rover :) > From bens Thu Jan 13 13:48:18 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0DImIVY026362 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:48:18 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0DImIC6026361 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:48:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:48:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200501131848.j0DImHcl026357@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "GrannyP" To: Subject: Re: Joe Lucas re: Mendo 2005 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Eric, > PS: In view of the already heavy snow pack and the prospect of a continued > harsh winter, might we consider altering the venue from Cedar Camp to a lower > elevation thereby assuring a successful get-together? Perhaps one of the > sites along Goat Mountain road down at river level? Perhaps Fouts Springs? Maybe we can just call MNF personnel, near the appropriate weekend, to check on conditions, then decide on a camp. I'm hopeful that we'll be able to get to Cedar Camp without major difficulties. Granny From bens Thu Jan 13 14:44:11 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0DJiBVY028788 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:44:11 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0DJiBnj028787 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:44:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:44:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200501131944.j0DJiB25028783@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Scott Kirn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 11th Annual, Joe Lucas Mendocino Not-A-Rallye Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 92 lines filtered. ] This is a multipart message in MIME format. Hello everyone. I've been lurking on this email list for several weeks now, but figure I should raise my hand and be introduced. One of the reasons I joined this list was to look for events such as these, ones where I can meet fellow Land Rover people. (And it's also just an excuse to go camping...but don't tell my wife! I have a 19 month old son and another on the way, so I don't get out as much as I used to.) My only worry is that this seems to be primarily close-knit group of Series owners. I drive a cushy '95 P38a...not sure if I will be scoffed at or not. But in my defense, I grew up in my Dad's Series IIa 88 and his 109. I spent many, many miles crammed into the back of the 88, and many, many hours broken down in the middle of nowhere, helping him fix it! But it was fun. In any case, what would the estimated ratio of old/new Rovers be at this event? And is there any guidelines or requirements I need to have or read before attending? Thanks for the info. Scott joelucas@princeofdarkness.com Sent by: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org 01/10/2005 11:00 AM Please respond to mendo_recce@fourfold.org To mendo_recce@fourfold.org cc Subject 11th Annual, Joe Lucas Mendocino Not-A-Rallye What: 11th Annual Joe Lucas Mendocino Not-A-Rallye When: 22-24 April 2005 Where: Cedar Camp, Mendocino National Forest, California Instructions: Bring your own everything. There are outhouses on site. Pot luck dinner Saturday night--bring an item to contribute (hors d'overs, entree, or dessert) Reliable sources say that turnouts have been lighter in recent years. Let's make an effort to get another 30+ Land Rover Mendo. Make Cedar Camp overflow with campers! Even if your Rover isn't running, come out and camp with your fellow Rover owners--even if it is just for Saturday night. And for those that don't, I just might have to send my pal Nigel to visit. ;-) An active rumor mill says that Ben Smith will be driving out from NJ for the event. Joe From bens Thu Jan 13 14:50:58 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0DJowVY029225 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:50:58 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0DJowbj029224 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:50:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:50:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200501131950.j0DJovss029220@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Daniel E. Smith" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: 90 in the car port? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Paul, Wish no more! eBay...90's all day long. It's almost like going down to the dealership...anyone can do that. Better yet, import one without all the crap on it. Someone here in Ventura has a non NAS 90. It's almost respectable, but it has the "I wish I were a Jeep" wheels on it. Good luck with the head, after you get her going again I'm sure you'll be cured after the first mile. Daniel __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From bens Thu Jan 13 14:58:24 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0DJwOVY029481 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:58:24 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0DJwOEc029480 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:58:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:58:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200501131958.j0DJwORY029476@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 11th Annual, Joe Lucas Mendocino Not-A-Rallye Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Scott Kirn wrote: > My only worry is that this seems to be primarily > close-knit group of > Series owners. I drive a cushy '95 P38a...not sure if I > will be scoffed at > or not. But in my defense, I grew up in my Dad's Series > IIa 88 and his > 109. I spent many, many miles crammed into the back of > the 88, and many, > many hours broken down in the middle of nowhere, helping [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] I recall Jon Turner showing up in his p38A and others in the past...never a problem. Rovers are rovers! all the same. if you don't want to take it on trails in fear of scratches? well others will take you...but the trails are fairly eassy and not damaging for teh most part.. don't worry, this is a very friendly informal group. tight knit? ;-) not in a bad way that is for sure. just need to know to bring food for a saturday night potluck ...oh! nd I bet it will be CCCCCold this year so good warm sleeping bag and clothes.. Paul(not sure what I will e driving this year...but it will be a Landie and green, oh wait, they are all green! ;-)) From bens Thu Jan 13 15:12:23 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0DKCNVY030108 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:12:23 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0DKCNWU030107 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:12:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:12:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200501132012.j0DKCNrv030103@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 90 in the car port? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- "Daniel E. Smith" wrote > Good luck with the head, after you get her going again > I'm sure you'll be cured after the first mile. don't worry, as all the old timers here know, I am a true series owner at heart. we just have too many right ow for where we live with two matching green 88" pick-ups, the disco and the lwb rangie. Elisa really wants to trim down the heard, and I decided that as the series III has much more $$ into it and all it will stay, so I am fixing up Elgie the IIA to sell and put the $$ to better use(like towards the other three!) ;-) I will truely miss the power of the mercruiser 140 in Elgie though. ;-( but I have a lead on a localy sitting IIA 109 with a Ford 302 in it, and Elisa really wants a 110 or a 109, so this may be the next aquisition if I can swing it...crossing fingers.. Paul From bens Thu Jan 13 15:15:27 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0DKFRVY030313 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:15:27 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0DKFRDr030312 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:15:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:15:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200501132015.j0DKFRJZ030308@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: 11th Annual, Joe Lucas Mendocino Not-A-Rallye Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, Scott. Myself and a friend will be in Classic Range Rovers. Do not worry. Come along. It will be my first trip too to "Mendo" Kind regards, Mark Pilkington. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Kirn" To: Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 11:44 AM Subject: Re: 11th Annual, Joe Lucas Mendocino Not-A-Rallye > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] > [ 92 lines filtered. ] > This is a multipart message in MIME format. > > Hello everyone. I've been lurking on this email list for several weeks > now, but figure I should raise my hand and be introduced. One of the > reasons I joined this list was to look for events such as these, ones [ 69 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jan 13 15:18:13 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0DKIDVY030337 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:18:13 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0DKIDpq030336 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:18:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:18:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200501132018.j0DKICE6030332@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Jeff Rogers To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: RN newsletter Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I almost sold it, but didn't. It was at Roverland getting a new tranny, x-fer case, etc for over a year (that's another story) and when I got it back the front end had an issue that I haven't yet fixed. Basically, on a left turn doing 40mph+ the truck will begin shaking violently. I've talked to Jeremy about it, but just never got around to getting it fixed. I know I need new radius arm bushings and that might help, but it could also be a loose steering box or the pre-load on the swivels. Making Mendo this year might be a good goal for getting the truck fixed. I'm probably going to sell the 90 and build a a truck based on a late IIa. I need to find a fabricator though so I'm going down to BCB next week to talk to them about the project. I'm also gonna talk to Craig Recce & Shane later this month. On Jan 13, 2005, at 10:41 AM, Paul Archibald wrote: > > > --- Jeff Rogers wrote: > >> >> Yeah, the 90 has been in my driveway the whole time. I >> just feed it a >> battery now and then. :^( -->Jeff > [ 15 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jan 13 15:31:42 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0DKVgVY030957 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:31:42 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0DKVg1p030956 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:31:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:31:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200501132031.j0DKVgWC030952@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "ishiiman" To: Subject: Re: 11th Annual, Joe Lucas Mendocino Not-A-Rallye Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Unless somebody we know brings their LR3, I'll be bringing the 04 Disco.Not quite a Series, but a Ford product. Rupert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Kirn" To: Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 11:44 AM Subject: Re: 11th Annual, Joe Lucas Mendocino Not-A-Rallye > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] > [ 92 lines filtered. ] > This is a multipart message in MIME format. > > Hello everyone. I've been lurking on this email list for several weeks > now, but figure I should raise my hand and be introduced. One of the > reasons I joined this list was to look for events such as these, ones [ 76 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.11 - Release Date: 1/12/2005 From bens Thu Jan 13 16:52:34 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0DLqYVY001928 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:52:34 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0DLqYxn001927 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:52:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:52:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200501132152.j0DLqYFa001923@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: 11th Annual, Joe Lucas Mendocino Not-A-Rallye - Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In any case, what would the estimated ratio of old/new Rovers be at this event? And is there any guidelines or requirements I need to have or read before attending? Thanks for the info. Scott The only requirement is to bring some kind of heap big firewater. Something you would be PROUD to serve to friends. Ditch the chrome wheels. From bens Thu Jan 13 18:03:19 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0DN3JVY004888 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:03:19 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0DN3Jm2004887 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:03:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:03:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200501132303.j0DN3IHh004883@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Scott Kirn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 11th Annual, Joe Lucas Mendocino Not-A-Rallye - Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 73 lines filtered. ] This is a multipart message in MIME format. I'll paint the wheels black before I leave. But do I have to cover up the flame paint job I put on the bonnet too? Scott "Eric Johnson" Sent by: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org 01/13/2005 01:52 PM Please respond to mendo_recce@fourfold.org To cc Subject Re: 11th Annual, Joe Lucas Mendocino Not-A-Rallye - In any case, what would the estimated ratio of old/new Rovers be at this event? And is there any guidelines or requirements I need to have or read before attending? Thanks for the info. Scott The only requirement is to bring some kind of heap big firewater. Something you would be PROUD to serve to friends. Ditch the chrome wheels. From bens Thu Jan 13 18:36:49 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0DNanVY006376 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:36:49 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0DNamN5006375 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:36:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:36:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200501132336.j0DNamMA006371@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: 11th Annual, Joe Lucas Mendocino Not-A-Rallye - Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'll paint the wheels black before I leave. But do I have to cover up the flame paint job I put on the bonnet too? Scott If you show up with flames on the hood, you will greeted with Oooooh's, Ahhhhhh's, Aaargh's, the occasional Unngh and be voted "King O' Mendo". From bens Thu Jan 13 18:49:37 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0DNnbVY006831 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:49:37 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0DNnbtd006830 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:49:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:49:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200501132349.j0DNnbAv006826@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: 11th Annual, Joe Lucas Mendocino Not-A-Rallye - Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I will have a bug scoop on the bonnet of the rangie that I will be driving.....a real one. Sorry but it is true. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Johnson" To: Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 3:36 PM Subject: Re: 11th Annual, Joe Lucas Mendocino Not-A-Rallye - > > > > > I'll paint the wheels black before I leave. But do I have to cover up > the > flame paint job I put on the bonnet too? > > Scott [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jan 13 20:22:46 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0E1MjVY010759 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:22:45 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0E1MjqJ010758 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:22:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:22:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200501140122.j0E1MjkC010754@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: 94 D90 for SALE :( Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org hi all, i am selling my D90 let me know if u are interested, its a 94 model, 100K miles - rear ARM - Warn winch - fiber top - desert rover rock sliders - well maintained by Roverland - AC - Moab tested - other stuff , contact me if interested - Prada winch straps asking $20K for it but negotiable cheers, Fil 510-928-7977 im not gonna make it to Mendo this year :( _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From bens Thu Jan 13 20:28:41 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0E1SfVY010974 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:28:41 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0E1SfaQ010973 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:28:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:28:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200501140128.j0E1SelR010969@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles phu To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: NADA 6 and D110 for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 11 lines filtered. ] Hi all, Due to my recent decision of moving to Asia for my career and other reasons, I have to sell all of my Land Rovers - 1967 Series IIA 109 NADA 6 and 1993 NAS D110! With my tight schedule, whoever is interested please contact me as soon as you can. I'll probably be starting bid on ebay soon as well. Please email me off the list if you are interested. Thanks. Charles Phu --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. From bens Thu Jan 13 23:51:45 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0E4pjVY019659 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 23:51:45 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0E4pjbq019658 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 23:51:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 23:51:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200501140451.j0E4pj4M019654@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Roverdrive notes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Blair, I have digi pics back in Los Angeles but the Roverdrive coupling IS much beefier and oil lubed. The gear noise is also much quieter plus you don't have to fret about oil levels or venting issues. I have 1700 miles on mine (including LA / SJ roundtrip) and assuming there's not a sheen of metal particles when I do my first oil drain this weekend - I will give it a thumbs up! Re. installation - I had to drill new mounting holes in my handbrake brackets to allow the cross shaft to clear the Roverdrive unit. This is an issue where you need to "measure 10 times and drill once" in order to maintain full handbrake travel and not have shifting brackets if you give the lever a death tug. I know of several other trucks having this same condition. One nice surprise was being able to use the existing tunnel shift hole location. Ray also provides an oil dipstick kit that replaces the transferbox filler plug. With dipstick you swap a transferbox top access plate with a nicely engraved oil filler plate. Even though it all seemed neat, I didn't install any of it because it forces you to fill from the seat box rather than below where the 4sp oil is filled. Also, the shift lever is a few inches longer because the mechanism is stiffer and the length provides better leverage. This results in longer travel....but at least the linkage position is easy to adjust for driver preference. Other issues: 1) With a 6 cyl (is that you?), you need to weld an extension to the shift lever brkt (the Fairey version always provided extra length). 2) The shift lever is straight. Even though it works, it should be bent like the Fairy. 3) The filler and drain plugs are different allen wrench size (minor issue but curious...he gives you the wrenches). 4) OD installation requires removing the 6 studs from transfer box casing. OD unit is then secured to transfer box with 6" bolts. Not a desirable mounting design but the application is working so far. Nothing coming loose, no mangled case thds and no oil leaks. Cheers, Regards, Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:26:57 -0500 From: "Blair Peterson" Subject: Re: RN newsletter (carbs too) Joe, I'll trade you feedback on your Roverdrive for feedback on my not-yet-installed disk brake conversion. Cheers, Blair __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From bens Thu Jan 13 23:59:49 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0E4xnVY019881 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 23:59:49 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0E4xntR019880 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 23:59:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 23:59:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200501140459.j0E4xnZe019876@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Jeremy Bartlett To: mendo Subject: Re: Webber 2bbl and Pierce Manifold Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just a side comment on this. If you're looking for modified carb set ups also take a look at ACR's SU setup. Admittedly not as common as a Weber 2bbl (although nowdays it might be just as easy to find come to think of it). In California there's something to be said for the "constant depression" style carb like the SU since it inherently adapts to altitude variations without rejetting. Why mess around with all those jets and circuits when a single needle will do the job? :) Jeremy From bens Fri Jan 14 00:08:18 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0E58IVY020342 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:08:18 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0E58II8020341 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:08:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:08:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200501140508.j0E58HdE020337@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: jarrod wyrick To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: NADA 6 and D110 for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Charles, What are you looking to get for them? The 109 is red right? I think I remember seeing in when the group did that S.F tour. How many miles on the 110. If you can reply soon. I am really close to dumping a lot of money in my RRC, but a 110 or 109 would be really fun to have! -Jarrod On Jan 13, 2005, at 5:28 PM, charles phu wrote: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] > [ 11 lines filtered. ] > > Hi all, > > Due to my recent decision of moving to Asia for my career and other > reasons, I have to sell all of my Land Rovers - 1967 Series IIA 109 [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jan 14 00:26:34 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0E5QYVY022406 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:26:34 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0E5QYMZ022405 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:26:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:26:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200501140526.j0E5QYaM022401@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 11th Annual, Joe Lucas Mendocino Not-A-Rallye - Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Scott, You wouldn't happen to be in the Woodlake area, would you??? I've seen a black P-38A out there that has something interesting on the bonnet... I'll be at Mendo this year - as will Janet: we're even taking HER Rangie! Charles -----Original message----- From: Scott Kirn skirn@starlume.com Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:03:19 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 11th Annual, Joe Lucas Mendocino Not-A-Rallye - > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] > [ 73 lines filtered. ] > This is a multipart message in MIME format. > > I'll paint the wheels black before I leave. But do I have to cover up the > flame paint job I put on the bonnet too? > [ 51 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jan 14 10:46:25 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0EFkPVY015918 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:46:25 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0EFkPe1015917 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:46:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:46:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200501141546.j0EFkPVX015913@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: don't freak out, just look Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This was on the What's new at Yahoo page yesterday. http://www.jeep.com/autoshow/concept_cars/ Look at the Gladiator and tell me the front doesn't immediately recall the old Willys PU? or some degree, the front of the long wheel base TLC of the late 60s? Or even, that Land Rover could do something similar and call it the Defender. happy Friday to all, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby", 2004 Honda Element "Ellie?" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano-the commuter, 2000 custom fixed gear (I built the frame), 2004 Steve Rex-road single ours: 2005 Steve Rex tandem (coming) From bens Fri Jan 14 11:03:41 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0EG3fVY016556 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:03:41 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0EG3fjT016555 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:03:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:03:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200501141603.j0EG3fUU016551@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: 94 D90 for SALE :( Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Fil. I have a friend looking for one. Is yours a hardtop? Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fil F." To: Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 5:22 PM Subject: 94 D90 for SALE :( > > > hi all, > > i am selling my D90 > > let me know if u are interested, its a 94 model, 100K miles > > - rear ARM [ 23 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jan 14 11:12:02 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0EGC2VY016984 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:12:02 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0EGC2Zl016983 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:12:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:12:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200501141612.j0EGC2hk016979@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: don't freak out, just look Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200501141546.j0EFkPVX015913@coriana6.fourfold.org>you wrote: > Look at the Gladiator and tell me the front doesn't immediately recall > the old Willys PU? or some degree, the front of the long wheel base > TLC of the late 60s? Or even, that Land Rover could do something > similar and call it the Defender. Jeep is on the ball. Looks cool to me. Did you see their concept rock crawler. It could turn inside it's own length. Ben From bens Fri Jan 14 11:16:45 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0EGGjVY017231 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:16:45 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0EGGjUn017230 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:16:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:16:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200501141616.j0EGGjs4017226@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 11th Annual, Joe Lucas Mendocino Not-A-Rallye - Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200501132152.j0DLqYFa001923@coriana6.fourfold.org>you wrote: > In any case, what would the estimated ratio of old/new Rovers be at > this event? It depends on who shows up. The first year it was mostly Series with a few D90s. Since then more people have joined and some people have gotten more Rovers. I would make a guess at 1/3 Series and 1/3 D90/D110 and 1/3 Disco & Range Rover. But that could vary wildly. > And is there any guidelines or requirements I need to have or > read before attending? The goal is to camp at an accessable point by any 2WD car. Camper trailers have made it to the camp grounds. If there is too much snow, I'm sure that a lower elevation campground will be used. Once at the base camp, groups will try trails. Everything from graded forest roads, to narrow, twisty tracks which may need winching. It depends on the group and conditions. Ben From bens Fri Jan 14 11:47:49 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0EGlnVY018491 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:47:49 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0EGlnZ8018490 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:47:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:47:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200501141647.j0EGlmDK018486@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 11th Annual, Joe Lucas Mendocino Not-A-Rallye Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 52 lines filtered. ] --------------088A6EF6D2FE3DE3318E0453 Scott Kirn wrote: > My only worry is that this seems to be primarily close-knit group of > Series owners. > > In any case, what would the estimated ratio of old/new Rovers be at this > event? And is there any guidelines or requirements I need to have or read > before attending? Scott, I've never owned a Series rig myself but have always found, with the rare exception, the NoCal Rover owners to be a very friendly and inclusive group. Don't let the thread of a month or so ago mis-lead you. The reactions one gets are certainly more a result of your attitude as a person and not your truck. The mendo list has never been primarily about Series Rovers or "gonzo" off roading. Past Mendo "Not-A-Rally's" have included numerous "Not a Rover's", not to mention "Not-a-Series". I can honestly say I've never had a more diverse, interesting and welcoming group of friends than the 100 or so I've met through the Mendo List and the NCRC. What you drive or how you like to drive it has nothing to do with it. I can't speak for Joe L. but I suspect his only requirement is that you come prepared to have a good time (and for some cold weather). It's no service camping. Bring everything you need, including water and toilet paper. Pot Luck Sat. night has always been great. Some bring cigars and single malts for after dinner camp fires, some don't drink or smoke. You can run potentially damaging trails, easy trials and sometimes people stay in camp to socialize and run no trails. No rules, no pressure and no organization. Attendees have ranged in age from around 9 months to almost 90 years. As far as I can tell they all liked Land Rovers. I know I do, but I don't like Land Rovers as much as I appreciate the people on this list as friends. Bring your P-38a, or your Rover car, or your Taurus SVO, or your Bronco (Green Oval), or your Unimog, or your RR Classic, or your Volvo or even a Series. They've all been brought to past mendo's. Mostly just come and have fun. I'm looking forward to meeting you. Bruce Bonar 94 D-90 "Spot" w/ (formerly) shiny aluminum American Racing wheels & Super Swampers but doesn't want to be a Jeep 95 D90 SW "Stella" (Stephanie's daily commute car) --------------088A6EF6D2FE3DE3318E0453 From bens Fri Jan 14 12:12:12 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0EHCCVY019560 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:12:12 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0EHCCpQ019559 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:12:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:12:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200501141712.j0EHCBjQ019553@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: jarrod wyrick To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: don't freak out, just look Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org There is a large trend to incorporate the roots of the vehicle into the design. It seems like Land Rover is all way running from its past. I guess the prime example of this is importing Range Rovers as Range Rover North America. By importing Range Rovers under Range Rover North America they, in some ways, disowned the Series heritage. Now Land Rover has moved away from the Discovery name in North America. If you show anyone a photo of a II/IIa (88 or 109) , it will all way put a smile on their face. The defender seems to get a "thats cool" response. I really hope that Land Rover under Ford will recognize Land Rover heritage and incorporates it. -Jarrod On Jan 14, 2005, at 7:46 AM, John Hess wrote: > > This was on the What's new at Yahoo page yesterday. > > http://www.jeep.com/autoshow/concept_cars/ > > Look at the Gladiator and tell me the front doesn't immediately recall > the old Willys PU? or some degree, the front of the long wheel base > TLC of the late 60s? Or even, that Land Rover could do something > similar and call it the Defender. [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jan 14 12:26:39 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0EHQdVY020234 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:26:39 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0EHQd1L020233 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:26:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:26:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200501141726.j0EHQcl7020229@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Scott Kirn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 11th Annual, Joe Lucas Mendocino Not-A-Rallye - Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 82 lines filtered. ] This is a multipart message in MIME format. Nah, I'm pretty much confined to Santa Rosa these days. Mine is green....I think it looks a lot like a Park Ranger vehicle. I was just teasing about the bonnet decorations....the only thing I've got on the bonnet now is a present that a passing seagull left me sometime yesterday afternoon. I think you guys convinced me...barring some sort of emergency or schedule conflict, you can count me in on being there for the Mendo trip. I look forward to it. Scott charles irvin Sent by: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org 01/13/2005 09:26 PM Please respond to mendo_recce@fourfold.org To mendo_recce@fourfold.org cc Subject Re: 11th Annual, Joe Lucas Mendocino Not-A-Rallye - Scott, You wouldn't happen to be in the Woodlake area, would you??? I've seen a black P-38A out there that has something interesting on the bonnet... I'll be at Mendo this year - as will Janet: we're even taking HER Rangie! Charles -----Original message----- From: Scott Kirn skirn@starlume.com Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:03:19 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 11th Annual, Joe Lucas Mendocino Not-A-Rallye - > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] > [ 73 lines filtered. ] > This is a multipart message in MIME format. > > I'll paint the wheels black before I leave. But do I have to cover up the > flame paint job I put on the bonnet too? > [ 51 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jan 14 12:36:16 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0EHaGVY020682 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:36:16 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0EHaGtW020681 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:36:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:36:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200501141736.j0EHaFWF020677@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 11th Annual, Joe Lucas Mendocino Not-A-Rallye Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Scott Kirn wrote: > My only worry is that this seems to be primarily close-knit group of > Series owners. This is a close-knit group in that people have met and made strong friendships over the past 10 years. New people are always welcome. This is not an exclusive group. Some have Series, some have coilers, some have both and some have none. The only thing that binds the group is an interest in Land Rovers. As you have seen, the topics vary a bit, not stricktly on LRs. Bruce wrote: > The reactions one > gets are certainly more a result of your attitude as a person and not your > truck. Exactly! What makes the mendo_recce list endure, with many of the same people year after year, are the people. As most of you know I live back east. When I go to Land Rover events, I have a group of friends that I hang out with. Most of us happen to own Series LRs, and some have RR classics. I met almost all of them on the LRO list in the early 1990s. For the most part out, east the D90/build Disco crowd and the Series groups don't mix. The reason is partially economics (many series people can't afford or won't spend that much on new Disco) but mostly it is attitude. The series people are the ones that when the see a dead LR on the side of the road, they stop. On the trail when they see someone stuck, they offer winching or a tug. The built rigs tend blow by, throwing mud everywhere--the "me! me! me!" people. But, and I keep reminding my friends of this when they mention not liking D90 people, they haven't met or wheeled with Bruce, or Jeremy, or Jeff Rogers, or Rick Larson, or Ben Mitchell, or Jim Holmes, or Gerry Mugele, or ... It's all in the attitude and personality, LRs are just vehicles. The other reason why eastern events are more segmented is the size of the events. When there are 20 to 30 trucks, everyone talks with everyone else. There maybe be some small groups that get along better than others, but everyone is sitting around the same fire at night. But at a 75 Rover event or a 300 rover with 10 different clubs attending (like the ROAV Mid-Atlantic in VA), there are different distict groups that don't associate as much. > I can honestly say I've never had a > more diverse, interesting and welcoming group of friends than the 100 or so > I've met through the Mendo List and the NCRC. Ditto. Why else would I be considering driving the 2700 miles to Mendo and back--just for a weekend of talking and some off-roading? It's not like I'm crazy (well, ok, only partially!). > Bring your P-38a, or your Rover car, or your Taurus SVO, or your Bronco (Gree > Oval), or your Unimog, or your RR Classic, or your Volvo or even a Series. Or even your economy sized rental car from Avis. Ben --- '51 SI 80", '61 SIIA 109, '72 SIII 88, '73 101FC, '76 101FC, '94 Disco 5-spd "If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entries from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. He'd drive it up the Amazon Basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie." --K. Archie From bens Fri Jan 14 12:47:47 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0EHllVY021159 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:47:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0EHll7I021158 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:47:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:47:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200501141747.j0EHll8k021154@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Daniel E. Smith" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: don't freak out, just look Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John, The front looks like the YJ, which is a copy of the CJ. The real Gladiator has a great front end with the tall grill and 4 headlamps. "Land Rover could do something similar and call it the Defender." I'm sure they will as soon as Ford has a Bronco platform to re-skin...well, that and the 24" chrome wheels and. Daniel __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From bens Fri Jan 14 13:21:49 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0EILnVY022595 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:21:49 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0EILn0H022594 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:21:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:21:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200501141821.j0EILnFM022590@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: Better Tranny in a Series III Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Regent's transmission is getting louder in 1-3 gears, and the overdrive has more miles on it that I would like. I am thinking it may be a good time to invest in a new 5 speed transmission of the more robust type, so when his engine goes I can bolt some sort of big diesel. For now I could go with a an LT77 or R380. From what I read these should easily adapt to the 2.25. Any recommendations? Any recommended parts sources? -Rob From bens Fri Jan 14 13:33:16 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0EIXGVY023026 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:33:16 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0EIXGII023025 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:33:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:33:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200501141833.j0EIXG1n023021@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: jarrod wyrick To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Better Tranny in a Series III Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Rob, I have no idea if it would work, but there is a LT85 on the scratch and dent list at Rovers North. They are asking $500.00 -Jarrod On Jan 14, 2005, at 10:21 AM, Kerner, Rob wrote: > > Regent's transmission is getting louder in 1-3 gears, and the overdrive > has more miles on it that I would like. I am thinking it may be a good > time to invest in a new 5 speed transmission of the more robust type, > so > when his engine goes I can bolt some sort of big diesel. For now I > could go with a an LT77 or R380. From what I read these should easily > adapt to the 2.25. Any recommendations? Any recommended parts > sources? [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jan 14 13:43:32 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0EIhWVY023450 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:43:32 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0EIhWEK023449 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:43:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:43:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200501141843.j0EIhWbQ023445@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Daniel E. Smith" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Retro Styling...don't freak out, just look Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jarrod, I think you're right...plus it would help the resale value of the newer stuff. The Disco/LR3 and the RR do not have the "Cool" factor of the 90 & 110, in fact, the Disco was an ugly box to most people. Why buy one? The Disco was a great deal for the money (4x4 Dodge Durango was $37,000 and no leather), but the styling and MPG made it a rock on resale. I'd say looking to the past is better than trying to outrun the competition for styling. Also, why bump the price up $10K from the DIsco to the LR3? Daniel __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From bens Fri Jan 14 13:55:27 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0EItRVY024088 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:55:27 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0EItR00024087 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:55:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:55:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200501141855.j0EItQO6024083@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "kminnick" To: Subject: RE: Link with Maps of Closed BLM Land Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Nothing like closing off my backyard! What a bunch of idiots (JMHO). If they want to see what's effecting the tortoise population, just look to the ravens with the young tortoise in their mouths! Ah, but we have to protect ravens! Man, this gets sticky. Someone told me the raven is Mexico's country bird? Sigh. Guess I will 4wd in my 1/4 acre yard. Neighbors will love me! Kelly Minnick > Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:36:20 -0500 > From: "Kevin Kelly" > Subject: Link with Maps of Closed BLM Land > > Siding with environmentalists, a federal judge has ordered the Bush > administration to temporarily ban off-roading in desert washes across > 572,000 acres in Riverside, San Bernardino and Imperial counties > to protect > the desert tortoise. [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] .ef08.html From bens Fri Jan 14 14:11:59 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0EJBxVY024726 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:11:59 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0EJBxh0024725 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:11:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:11:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200501141911.j0EJBwp2024721@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Thomas Joyner To: List Mendo Subject: RE: Subject: Better Tranny in a Series III Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rob, If you're thinking of a B-W T18 tranny with Ford bolt patterns, let me know as I have one layin' around here in Durango. Tom Joyner Durango SII Disco From bens Fri Jan 14 14:29:02 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0EJT2VY025344 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:29:02 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0EJT2jH025343 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:29:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:29:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200501141929.j0EJT2Ml025339@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: hipine@att.net To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 11th Annual, Joe Lucas Mendocino Not-A-Rallye Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html ] [ 17 lines filtered. ] "....have included numerous "Not a Rover's",...." Yeah! I resemble that remark. :^) -Dave G. From bens Fri Jan 14 14:32:21 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0EJWLVY025555 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:32:21 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0EJWLRE025554 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:32:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:32:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200501141932.j0EJWK5h025550@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles phu To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: NADA 6 and D110 for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 9 lines filtered. ] Hi, Jarrod, Please find the attached file which has a detail description about the 109. I'll send you photos if you are interested. charles jarrod wyrick wrote: Hi Charles, What are you looking to get for them? The 109 is red right? I think I remember seeing in when the group did that S.F tour. How many miles on the 110. If you can reply soon. I am really close to dumping a lot of money in my RRC, but a 110 or 109 would be really fun to have! -Jarrod --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! – What will yours do? From bens Fri Jan 14 14:55:37 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0EJtaVY026571 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:55:37 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0EJtaBs026570 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:55:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:55:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200501141955.j0EJtaJW026566@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: RE: Link with Maps of Closed BLM Land Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >>> kminnick@gte.net 01/14/05 10:55AM >>> Nothing like closing off my backyard! What a bunch of idiots (JMHO). If they want to see what's effecting the tortoise population, just look to the ravens with the young tortoise in their mouths! Ah, but we have to protect ravens! Man, this gets sticky. Someone told me the raven is Mexico's country bird? Sigh. Guess I will 4wd in my 1/4 acre yard. Neighbors will love me! Kelly Minnick Growing up in Santa Clara valley, I don't remember seeing all the Ravens and flocks of Ravens I see now. Seems like they are the dominant bird. 30-40 years ago it was mostly Robins, Cedar Wax-wings, Wrens, etc. Destroy All Ravens. From bens Fri Jan 14 16:44:54 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0ELirVY031099 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:44:53 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0ELira5031098 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:44:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:44:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200501142144.j0ELirLj031094@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Bob and Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Link with Maps of Closed BLM Land Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Eric, Are you sure the ones in Santa Clara aren't Crows? They look the same except for size. And deeper voices. Bob B At 11:55 AM 1/14/2005, Eric wrote: >Growing up in Santa Clara valley, I don't remember seeing all the >Ravens and flocks of Ravens I see now. Seems like they are the dominant >bird. 30-40 years ago it was mostly Robins, Cedar Wax-wings, Wrens, >etc. > >Destroy All Ravens. From bens Fri Jan 14 16:46:57 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0ELkvVY031314 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:46:57 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0ELkv0Q031313 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:46:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:46:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200501142146.j0ELkumb031309@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "GrannyP" To: Subject: Re: 11th Annual, Joe Lucas Mendocino Not-A-Rallye Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'll add that this is a wonderfully ethnically, socially, professionally, and economically diverse group, too. It sometimes really shows at the Saturday night potluck, where I often get to sample interesting dishes that are new to me. I'm all for trying new foods! There are usually even vegetarians and/or vegans, as well as dyed-in-the-wool carnivores; something for everyone! Hey, you can even bring a.... Jeep! Granny From bens Fri Jan 14 16:58:47 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0ELwkVY031745 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:58:46 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0ELwkiU031744 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:58:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:58:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200501142158.j0ELwkgq031740@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: RE: Link with Maps of Closed BLM Land Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I 'dunno, but they sure do a lot of squakin'. Sit up there and yell at ya. 3 times usually. Never heard one say "Nevermore", so maybe they are crows. >>> bobbnsueb@sbcglobal.net 01/14/05 01:44PM >>> Hi Eric, Are you sure the ones in Santa Clara aren't Crows? They look the same except for size. And deeper voices. Bob B At 11:55 AM 1/14/2005, Eric wrote: >Growing up in Santa Clara valley, I don't remember seeing all the >Ravens and flocks of Ravens I see now. Seems like they are the dominant >bird. 30-40 years ago it was mostly Robins, Cedar Wax-wings, Wrens, >etc. > >Destroy All Ravens. From bens Fri Jan 14 18:13:01 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0END1VY002397 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 18:13:01 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0END1rD002396 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 18:13:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 18:13:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200501142313.j0END1IW002392@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Bob and Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Link with Maps of Closed BLM Land Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Eric, The crows go caw caw. The Ravens go GROK GROK close to a caw but a deeper voice. We have some ravens a few miles up the hill. We do have crows in our neighborhood. The crows rob baby birds and squirrels from the nests. I once read that the ravens that figured out how they could get through the baby tortoises shell leave a pile of the shells under their favorite roost, and the Fish and Game guys were supposedly killing those ravens. Bob B At 01:58 PM 1/14/2005, you wrote: > >I 'dunno, but they sure do a lot of squakin'. Sit up there and yell at >ya. 3 times usually. Never heard one say "Nevermore", so maybe they are >crows. > > >>> bobbnsueb@sbcglobal.net 01/14/05 01:44PM >>> > >Hi Eric, >Are you sure the ones in Santa Clara aren't Crows? They look the same [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jan 14 19:39:13 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0F0dCVY005903 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:39:12 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0F0dCZH005902 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:39:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:39:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200501150039.j0F0dCud005898@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Matt W" To: Subject: Valve cover gascket 2.25 liter Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 18 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" I am going to replace the valve cover gasket on the 1.25 liter lump.=20 The gasket has an adhesive backing, do I glue it to the head or the = cover? Thanks, Matt W From bens Fri Jan 14 19:40:10 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0F0eAVY006038 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:40:10 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0F0eA31006037 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:40:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:40:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200501150040.j0F0e9WU006033@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Matt W" To: Subject: Tires Again.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 43 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, I know this has been talked about before (a lot) but I don't know how to = search the archives or if there is a Mendo archive. Before We celebrate Joe's (Granny's) birthday I will be buying some = tires for my series three, Charles was nice enough to leave a set of 4 = 16' in series rims when he picked up the Range Rover. My plan is to pick = the best 5 rims between what Charles left and what is currently on the = truck.=20 Paint prep? I will remove the tires, then degrease, wire brush, sand and = paint. Then mount and balance new tires. Does this sound good? am I = forgetting anything? Paint? I'm thinking using Rustolium and apply it with my HVLP paint gun. = I want to have it that white (limestone?) color to match the hard top. = does any one know what the name of the color Rustolium I should buy? Tires? Boy am I confused, so many choices Ugh! Currently I am using = 215/85 R16 can I run 245/75 R16? My concern is getting to big of tire = for the 2.25 Also I don't want to replace axles every time I leave the = pavement. So any and all suggestions on Tires are welcomed Size? Style? = Price? Thanks Matt W From bens Fri Jan 14 19:48:16 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0F0mGVY006336 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:48:16 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0F0mGoA006335 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:48:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:48:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200501150048.j0F0mFFC006331@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: Valve cover gascket 2.25 liter Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 24 lines filtered. ] I always glued mine to the cover. That adhesive didn't seem to last that long anyway. -Rob From bens Fri Jan 14 19:50:20 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0F0oKVY006478 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:50:20 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0F0oK00006477 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:50:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:50:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200501150050.j0F0oK45006473@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Re: 11th Annual, Joe Lucas Mendocino Not-A-Rallye Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Scott, Sometimes it might seem the only talk is "who's swapping what carburetor" but it's just chatter. Step in when ever you want. No one controls content as long as it's somewhat Rover relevant - and that can be stretched! And if you need to discuss a widget that flakes out every once in awhile you can share with us. I drive a SIII Jaguar with perks/quirks similar to many coil sprung Land Rovers. So what's your truck like? Stock/modified/mileage? Recent service/needing service? If it hasn't been offroad much you should give it a good inspection for hoses and fluids. If it's been awhile, consider a tranny and gear oil change before Mendo. What about the driveshafts - any grease fittings under there? Regards, Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Redondo Beach, CA Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:44:11 -0500 From: Scott Kirn Subject: Re: 11th Annual, Joe Lucas Mendocino Not-A-Rallye .........My only worry is that this seems to be primarily close-knit group of Series owners. I drive a cushy '95 P38a...not sure if I will be scoffed at or not...... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From bens Fri Jan 14 19:59:50 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0F0xoVY006794 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:59:50 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0F0xofH006793 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:59:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:59:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200501150059.j0F0xnQl006789@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Matt W" To: Subject: Re: 11th Annual, Joe Lucas Mendocino Not-A-Rallye Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 36 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" Hey, you can even bring a.... Jeep! Granny, I am so glad you mentioned that, Jason #2 sold his 109 last year he just = bought a 1982 CJ and he's bringing it to Mendo this year, I'm still = bringing the Series three, =20 RE food, I'm really looking forward to some BBQ ribs! Eric? Also since = my freezer is full of Tuna ( like 200lbs) I'm thinking that's what I'm = bringing, Smoked Albacore, Tuna steaks, Yellow fin Sushi, Yellow tail = etc.... Matt W=20 the guy with the questions... From bens Fri Jan 14 20:00:33 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0F10XVY007001 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:00:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0F10X0B007000 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:00:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:00:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200501150100.j0F10XEJ006996@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 94 D90 for SALE :( Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org h mark, mine is a soft top originallly but i put a landrover fiberglass top on it fil >From: "Mark Pilkington" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: >Subject: Re: 94 D90 for SALE :( >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:03:41 -0500 > >Fil. I have a friend looking for one. Is yours a hardtop? >Mark > [ 18 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From bens Fri Jan 14 20:14:33 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0F1EXVY007430 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:14:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0F1EX1o007429 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:14:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:14:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200501150114.j0F1EX8d007425@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Bob and Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Valve cover gascket 2.25 liter Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Matt, Gloo it to the cover. Then if you need to adjust the valves, it should come off with the cover and be reusable. Bob B At 04:39 PM 1/14/2005, you wrote: > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; ] > [ 18 lines filtered. ] > > charset="iso-8859-1" > >I am going to replace the valve cover gasket on the 1.25 liter lump.=20 > >The gasket has an adhesive backing, do I glue it to the head or the = [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jan 14 20:21:33 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0F1LXVY007852 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:21:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0F1LXM8007851 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:21:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:21:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200501150121.j0F1LXRd007847@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: 94 D90 for SALE :( Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Fil, Can you send me some pictures of it offline to mark@skywagons.com Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fil F." To: Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 5:00 PM Subject: Re: 94 D90 for SALE :( > > h mark, > > mine is a soft top originallly but i put a landrover fiberglass top on it > > fil > >>From: "Mark Pilkington" >>Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 14 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jan 14 21:47:40 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0F2leVY011350 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:47:40 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0F2lefJ011349 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:47:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:47:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200501150247.j0F2leTT011345@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Tires Again.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 9 lines filtered. ] 235/85/16 is the BEST, hell, only tire size for a Series Truck. Not to wide, not to tall, not to short, in a nutshell, perfect!!! Aloha Peter O. Matt W wrote: [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 43 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, I know this has been talked about before (a lot) but I don't know how to = search the archives or if there is a Mendo archive. Before We celebrate Joe's (Granny's) birthday I will be buying some = tires for my series three, Charles was nice enough to leave a set of 4 = 16' in series rims when he picked up the Range Rover. My plan is to pick = the best 5 rims between what Charles left and what is currently on the = truck.=20 Paint prep? I will remove the tires, then degrease, wire brush, sand and = paint. Then mount and balance new tires. Does this sound good? am I = forgetting anything? Paint? I'm thinking using Rustolium and apply it with my HVLP paint gun. = I want to have it that white (limestone?) color to match the hard top. = does any one know what the name of the color Rustolium I should buy? Tires? Boy am I confused, so many choices Ugh! Currently I am using = 215/85 R16 can I run 245/75 R16? My concern is getting to big of tire = for the 2.25 Also I don't want to replace axles every time I leave the = pavement. So any and all suggestions on Tires are welcomed Size? Style? = Price? Thanks Matt W --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. From bens Fri Jan 14 22:30:18 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0F3UIVY013221 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:30:18 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0F3UIOs013220 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:30:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:30:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200501150330.j0F3UIMI013216@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Tires Again.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org you sure about that? I'm going to be buying new tires for Stubby and feel that having the same size on Stub and Elvis would be a good thing. On Elvis are some Cooper Discoverer hiway tires in 7.5 R 16, So I've been looking for a bigger tread tire in that size. That size is taller and skinnier than what you listed and more in line with original LR tire specs, right? paint? I seem to recall Toasted Almond being touted as the closest match to Limestone. cheers, On Jan 14, 2005, at 6:47 PM, Peter Ogilvie wrote: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] > [ 9 lines filtered. ] > > 235/85/16 is the BEST, hell, only tire size for a Series Truck. Not > to wide, not to tall, not to short, in a nutshell, perfect!!! > > Aloha [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby", 2004 Honda Element "Ellie?" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano-the commuter, 2000 custom fixed gear (I built the frame), 2004 Steve Rex-road single ours: 2005 Steve Rex tandem (coming) From bens Fri Jan 14 22:44:35 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0F3iZVY013727 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:44:35 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0F3iZXu013726 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:44:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:44:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200501150344.j0F3iZLs013722@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Tires Again.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John, if i recall from the descussions eight+ years ago here, they are basicly the same size...right? look at your archives? I have them someswhere on an old mac, but it's locked up in storage... Paul --- John Hess wrote: > > you sure about that? I'm going to be buying new tires > for Stubby and > feel that having the same size on Stub and Elvis would be > a good thing. > On Elvis are some Cooper Discoverer hiway tires in 7.5 > R 16, So I've > been looking for a bigger tread tire in that size. > That size is [ 37 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jan 14 22:52:14 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0F3qEVY014133 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:52:14 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0F3qEv5014132 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:52:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:52:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200501150352.j0F3qDMh014128@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Tires Again.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org 235/85R16 is the nearest metric equiv to 7.50x16 Frank -------------------------- Paul Archibald wrote: >John, >if i recall from the descussions eight+ years ago here, >they are basicly the same size...right? > > > From bens Fri Jan 14 23:49:24 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0F4nOVY016378 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:49:24 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0F4nObh016377 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:49:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:49:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200501150449.j0F4nNFo016373@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Daniel E. Smith" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Tires Again.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Matt, Get them sandblasted...it will take care of everything. Use Rustolium primer and have the paint for your HVLP mixed up to the correct color; limestone (DuPont #38505) As for tires the Goodyear Wrangler MT/R is a newer tire that has a classic Land Rover looking tread. The link to the site is: http://www.goodyeartires.com/goodyeartireselector/display_tire.jsp?prodline=Wrangler+MT%2FR&mrktarea=Light+Truck Remember that they look much better in real life than they do in the picture. If you're like me and want to go old school all the way then the bias MS Traction are the only way to go! They last a long time, quite and look the part. The thing is that they do not air down at all. Take a look at: http://www.tireco.com/Product_Detail.asp?CateID=69&LineID=11&ProductID=436 Good Luck! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From bens Sat Jan 15 00:02:40 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0F52eVY017099 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:02:40 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0F52eQ0017098 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:02:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:02:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200501150502.j0F52djw017094@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Daniel E. Smith" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: 7.50 X 16 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Frank is correct and yes, 7.50 X 16 is the one and only. There's nothing like driving down the road with a the silhouette of a Series off to one side and the embossed rubber "7.50 - 16" looking skyward from the bonnet. It's one of those, "Don't bother me, I'm driving" moments. It's a (series) Land Rover thing...you wouldn't get it. Daniel __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From bens Sat Jan 15 01:30:51 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0F6UpVY022404 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:30:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0F6UpFT022403 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:30:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:30:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200501150630.j0F6UpZG022399@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "GrannyP" To: Subject: Re: Tires Again.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dunlop Radial Rover RT 7.50R16 From bens Sat Jan 15 02:37:14 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0F7bEVY025042 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 02:37:14 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0F7bEfQ025041 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 02:37:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 02:37:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200501150737.j0F7bDPH025037@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Tires Again.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Matt, I'm running Dunlop Radial Rover R/T's in 235/85x16 on Gillian, and the SW has a set of Mud Rover 245/75x16's on a set of Wolf wheels: not much of a difference in height (1/2 an inch, if I recall the numbers correctly), though they look to be much smaller & a whole lot wider. The "skinny tires" on Gillian...I've never, and I mean NEVER aired them down - for that matter, I've never aired down the SW's tires either...never felt the need to. Dunno the paint number, but the resulting finish depends on what you want: if you want pretty, then sand blasting is the way to go: find a FAA repair station-rated shop, and they may charge $10.00 per wheel. If you're planning on thrashing the truck & doing lotsa rock crawling, then don't waste the money - just sand them down & paint them, because they're gonna get wasted everytime you slide off rocks & into rocks. Charles -----Original message----- From: "Matt W" rvrfish@cox.net Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:40:10 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Tires Again.... > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; ] > [ 43 lines filtered. ] > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, > [ 25 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Jan 15 09:14:32 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0FEEWVY008874 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 09:14:32 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0FEEWVk008873 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 09:14:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 09:14:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200501151414.j0FEEWsr008869@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Tires Again.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > The "skinny tires" on Gillian...I've never, and I mean NEVER aired > them down - for that matter, I've never aired down the SW's tires > either...never felt the need to. You ought to try it some time on wash board roads. Makes all the difference in the world to smooth them out. I air down all the time for different surfaces to increase traction or smooth out a ride. I guess you are just a better driver than I to be able to get though the stuff without airing down. TeriAnn J. Wakeman Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance. From bens Sat Jan 15 16:10:58 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0FLAwVY025929 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:10:58 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0FLAwH7025928 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:10:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:10:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200501152110.j0FLAvFt025924@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Wire Routing Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 27 lines filtered. ] In a message dated 1/11/05 9:27:06 AM Pacific Standard Time, hipine@att.net writes: > I'm not sure how it was done originally from the factory, but I'd put it in > the more protected location under the tray. Wouldn't want it to get > between the chassis or battery support and the wing or wing edge risking abrasion > and a possible short. That would be my main concern. > > I'm with Dave on this, but I might add either a very large fuse in the horn wire, or a piece of fusible link. The potential for horn failure on fuse or link loss is nothing compared to the loss of the truck when the wire bit chafes through. Zack From bens Sat Jan 15 20:07:46 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0G17jVY003002 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:07:45 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0G17jpV003001 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:07:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:07:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200501160107.j0G17jDE002997@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Scott Kirn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 11th Annual, Joe Lucas Mendocino Not-A-Rallye Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 109 lines filtered. ] This is a multipart message in MIME format. It's still pretty much stock - I still even have the air suspension system in it. It's a big controversy amongst Range Rover drivers, but I figure I'll make my decision to switch to a coil suspension if the EAS ever fails. Heck, I might even keep it, who knows. The truck's got 93k miles on it. It's in that nice "in between" condition; it looks nice enough to drive to work everyday for the office, but I wouldn't mind getting it gunked up on the trail. The previous owner did the bare minimum maintenance, so I had to straighten out some electrical problems, replace the front wheel bearings, new pads, rotors, etc. I am now working through all the filter, fluid and hose changes as I can get the time. I wanted to make it to the Knoxville run today, but I've got a muffler hanging on by a rusty thread...need to replace that next week. By the time Mendo comes, I think I'll have a good handle on it's mechanical condition. I've got Toyo A/T 235/70 R16 tires on it, which are still very new, so I am reluctant to replace them with something else. But I think they will be sufficient for Mendo...the tread looks pretty rugged. I don't plan on doing any hardcore stuff, but I definitely want to "white-knuckle" a few trails and see what it can do. I look forward to meeting a lot of you then. Scott joe mulqueen Sent by: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org 01/14/2005 04:50 PM Please respond to mendo_recce@fourfold.org To mendo cc Subject Re: 11th Annual, Joe Lucas Mendocino Not-A-Rallye Hey Scott, Sometimes it might seem the only talk is "who's swapping what carburetor" but it's just chatter. Step in when ever you want. No one controls content as long as it's somewhat Rover relevant - and that can be stretched! And if you need to discuss a widget that flakes out every once in awhile you can share with us. I drive a SIII Jaguar with perks/quirks similar to many coil sprung Land Rovers. So what's your truck like? Stock/modified/mileage? Recent service/needing service? If it hasn't been offroad much you should give it a good inspection for hoses and fluids. If it's been awhile, consider a tranny and gear oil change before Mendo. What about the driveshafts - any grease fittings under there? Regards, Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Redondo Beach, CA Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:44:11 -0500 From: Scott Kirn Subject: Re: 11th Annual, Joe Lucas Mendocino Not-A-Rallye .........My only worry is that this seems to be primarily close-knit group of Series owners. I drive a cushy '95 P38a...not sure if I will be scoffed at or not...... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From bens Sat Jan 15 23:33:45 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0G4XjVY011238 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:33:45 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0G4XjGS011237 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:33:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:33:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200501160433.j0G4XiY8011233@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "FoothillsSIII" To: Subject: Re:Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1524 (tires) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have happily run Cooper tires on all my cars for a long time, and thus I had to take a look at what they had to offer for the Rover. I found that they have two good looking traction tires in 7.50x16: the bias Courser Traction LT and the Discoverer STT. The Courser has the "Rover look", but I ran the Dicoverers on my Bronco and CJ 5 and was very pleased with them. The two Coopers are priced essentially the same at $110, but are about $50 a tire less expensive than the Dunlops. I have been a long time customer at the Cooper shop and a first time caller at the Dunlop dealer, so. My dilemma is that these no name, semi traction tires that the S3 came with are very nearly new, and I hate to just send them to the dump. Todd 82 S3 88" _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com From bens Sun Jan 16 00:39:40 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0G5ddVY015212 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 00:39:39 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0G5ddj5015211 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 00:39:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 00:39:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200501160539.j0G5dbGw015207@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re:Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1524 (tires) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org interesting! I am looking at tires for replacement for a few rigs. and the stt looks pretty good. i need to check on pricing now! as looking at the futura's from pep-boyz? any comments? disco-web guys loved them four years ago...am a little outa touch, so comments?? ..after all I will most likely be selling Elgie with new tires instead of the slick 235-75-15-s that came with it(remember, the mercruiser makes it a hot-rod and rear tires tend to fry! and all if in 4wd on the road when you floor it! ;-) and am keeping the worn-out dunlop 255-85-16's it's sitting on now to go back on the disco for trails when I upgrade them, as thedisco-spare rims belong to the disco which is now sporting d-90 alloys with 265-75 bfg at's(stock d90 circa 1997) where the sereis III is wearing the d-90 stock bfg mt 265-75-16's from ben bitchels ol' d-90....funny how that goes when tires sit around in garages, huh? still have a couple good sets of wheels with more streetable tires in storage waiting...waiting...but like the larger diameter for mileage and all... Paul(king of rover tires/wheels...couple sets still at others houses, and more given away...oh well! --- FoothillsSIII wrote: > I have happily run Cooper tires on all my cars for a long > time, and thus I > had to take a look at what they had to offer for the > Rover. I found that > they have two good looking traction tires in 7.50x16: the > bias Courser > Traction LT and the Discoverer STT. The Courser has the > "Rover look", > My dilemma is that these no name, semi traction tires > that the S3 came with > are very nearly new, and I hate to just send them to the > dump. don't!!! get a second st of rims, and put on a set of wht you want! I remember talking to Joe M about this a few years ago when he wanted mud tires and to be able to drive teh series from LA to San Jose or Rhonert Park! I reminded him that wheeles are cheep and to have two sets, one for looong drives and one for off-road! I try to do that, but than again wore out my dunlop radial rover 2555-85's commuting 200 miles...go figure! Paul From bens Sun Jan 16 16:54:12 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0GLsCVY027707 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:54:12 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0GLsCjC027706 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:54:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:54:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200501162154.j0GLsCOk027702@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: Series III grill Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I received a Galvanized grill and radiator muff for Christmas. For some reason I don't like the way it looks, I prefer the plastic. Before sending it back to Canada(wiseowl) and spending more money on door tops :). I thought I would offer it up here. All offers considered. Wiseowl price was 80 american plus shipping. Rob -------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld From bens Sun Jan 16 22:21:40 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0H3LeVY009120 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:21:40 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0H3LefI009119 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:21:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:21:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200501170321.j0H3LdDd009115@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Dave G." To: Subject: Re: Tires Again.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "..... Dunlop Radial Rover RT 7.50R16...." Are they still available Gran? After going through 4 sets of them the last 5-6 years, the last time I tried to get some the Dunlop site didn't list 7.50-16. Maybe it was a temporary thing and they're back now, I don't know. I tried a set of the STTs in 255-85 a couple years back. They wore as fast as the Dunlops (20k, or right at one year, on a set for me) and were worse than the Dunlops in the snow. Some might remember back in Oct I was after some TracEdges (trying to get longer tread life than Dunlop and Cooper in a multi-use tire) and found they were discontinued and replaced in the BFG line by a tire called the "Commercial T/A - Traction", and that some of the Brits had been saying the ComTracs were a worthy replacement for the tracEdge. Well, after half a winter of plenty of snow and more ice than I'm comfortable with, and 6,000 miles on the ComTracs, I can say I'm VERY statisfied. I think their snow and ice traction is even better than the Dunlop RR/RTs I liked so well, and there's no visible wear on these at their first rotation interval (6,000 miles). As soon as it decides to get above zero and under 20 mph winds here for any kind of extended period, I'll get to that rotation. Those who are hung up on the right "look" for a tire tread might not go this way. They don't look very "burly", but they sure do get the job done. I'll be buying two more to fill out my spares one of these days. Sadly, they're not available in 7.50 either, and no matter how many people try to say a 235-85 is "the same", they still look too chubby to me. I'd take a 7.50-16 any time, but they seem to be a dying breed in all but implement and trailer tires. I run these ComTrac 235-85s on a 6" wide steel wheel and that really seems to be the low limit to get the right cross sectional shape. When I had some 5-1/2" rims I thought 235's were too "fat" in the sidewall and they seemed to get a little sloppy feeling (those were BFG A/Ts at the time) when aired down. But everybody's different in their feel and tolerance of such things. Anyhoo, just thought I'd share the experience on the BFG ComTracs, and best of all, you can get them here in the states! Just make sure you look them up on the website and bring the info to the store with you. The counter jockeys are a lot more used to ordering the "Commercial T/A All-Terrain" which is a total highway tire. You need to be sure they're geting you the Commercial T/A - Traction. http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/bfgapp/catalog/tires/commercialtatraction.jsp And for a little perspective, my index finger will drop comfortably to the bottom of the wider void in the edge tread blocks. All the best! -Dave G. From bens Mon Jan 17 00:54:46 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0H5skVY016992 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:54:46 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0H5sk90016991 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:54:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:54:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200501170554.j0H5sk3B016987@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Re:Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1524 (tires) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yes, I still have two wheel sets! The Michelin XPS Rib tires (think UPS tires) are for extended highway driving. 235/85-16. Even though extremely heavy (steel sidewall belts), they spin much quicker and faster than my BFG MT/KM. The BFGs are currently on the truck, but if I was driving I5 in the middle of summer heat I'd definitely use the highway tires. Re. tread styles, If I could've afforded 'em, I would have bought Goodyear Wrangler MTR's. Tread face is a modern compromise between an AT and MT tire with a very usefull sidewall tread. Not having any sidewall tread is the primary weakness of the older style MT tires like Cooper/Futura/Dunlop, IMHO. And re. mud tires, I remember buying mine at the Novato CostCo specifically for the Sherwood Road "Reverse Mud Run". During the NCRC event a few months prior (my first time), I used Michelin XL? mudders borrowed from Nick Baggarly. He was very cool about the loan but after the trip I wanted my very own mud tires! I still think about that down here in San Diego... Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 00:39:37 -0500 From: Paul Archibald Subject: Re:Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1524 (tires) interesting! I am looking at tires for replacement for a few rigs. and the stt looks pretty good. i need to check on pricing now! as looking at the futura's from pep-boyz? any comments? disco-web guys loved them four years ago...am a little outa touch, so comments?? > My dilemma is that these no name, semi traction tires > that the S3 came with > are very nearly new, and I hate to just send them to the > dump. don't!!!get a second st of rims, and put on a set of wht you want! I remember talking to Joe M about this a few years ago when he wanted mud tires and to be able to drive teh series from LA to San Jose or Rhonert Park! I reminded him that wheeles are cheep and to have two sets, one for looong drives and one for off-road! I try to do that, but than again wore out my dunlop radial rover 2555-85's commuting 200 miles...go figure! Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bens Mon Jan 17 01:55:54 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0H6tsVY019608 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 01:55:54 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0H6tsqS019607 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 01:55:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 01:55:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200501170655.j0H6tsE1019603@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Daniel E. Smith" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Tires Again....Not Avons, but close Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Looking for something that says "Rover"? Check these out... http://www.greenball.com/tires/traction.htm# http://www.lassa.com.tr/english/products/van_light/ok-144.html http://www.lassa.com.tr/english/products/van_light/lta.html http://www.mrf-exports.com/product_details.asp?c=18&s=14&p=51 http://www.gearworksmfg.com/pages/516505/ Daniel __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From bens Mon Jan 17 02:01:36 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0H71aVY019821 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 02:01:36 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0H71ajE019820 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 02:01:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 02:01:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200501170701.j0H71ZMv019816@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: P38 at Mendo Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Scott wrote: > Hello everyone. I've been lurking on this email list for several weeks > now, but figure I should raise my hand and be introduced. > My only worry is that this seems to be primarily close-knit group of > Series owners. I drive a cushy '95 P38a...not sure if I will be scoffed at > or not. But in my defense, I grew up in my Dad's Series IIa 88 and his > 109. I spent many, many miles crammed into the back of the 88, and many, > many hours broken down in the middle of nowhere, helping him fix it! But > it was fun. Then Ben wrote: > I would make a guess at 1/3 Series and 1/3 D90/D110 > and 1/3 Disco & Range Rover. But that could vary wildly. It sounds like Scott will fit in fine. I just looked at a photo I took at Mendo a few years ago and counted 3 Range Rovers, 3 Series Land Rovers, 6 Discos, 3 Defenders and a 101 FC. I plan to make it to Mendo this year in the 1998 Range Rover HSE. Kevin P.S. I just drove back from Tahoe tonight and if the Mendocino National Forest got as much snow as the Tahoe Basin we might not be able to make it up to Cedar Camp in April unless we take snowmobiles... From bens Mon Jan 17 02:40:33 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0H7eXVY021448 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 02:40:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0H7eXbG021447 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 02:40:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 02:40:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200501170740.j0H7eWHW021443@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Tires Again....Not Avons, but close Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org first one is a clone of old goodyear extra-grip militart tires! I miss them! and I like the others too! anyone in Califoenia selling any of these? Paul(in need of tires soon, but need 255-85-16 not 7.5x16 would take 9x16 if abailable!!) --- "Daniel E. Smith" wrote: > > Looking for something that says "Rover"? > > Check these out... > > http://www.greenball.com/tires/traction.htm# > > http://www.lassa.com.tr/english/products/van_light/ok-144.html > > http://www.lassa.com.tr/english/products/van_light/lta.html > > http://www.mrf-exports.com/product_details.asp?c=18&s=14&p=51 > > http://www.gearworksmfg.com/pages/516505/ > > Daniel > > > > > __________________________________ [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Jan 17 03:28:53 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0H8SrVY023290 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 03:28:53 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0H8Sr4G023289 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 03:28:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 03:28:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200501170828.j0H8SrH8023285@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re:Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1524 (tires) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I thinketh that Mo Patrykus is running the Futuras on his rig...or he was...or he was looking into it once...MO! YOU OUT THERE MO!?!?!?!? PUT THE BABY DOWN FOR A MINUTE & PICK UP THE KEYBOARD!!!!!!! :) Charles -----Original message----- From: Paul Archibald androbus@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 21:39:39 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re:Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1524 (tires) > > interesting! I am looking at tires for replacement for a > few rigs. and the stt looks pretty good. i need to check on > pricing now! as looking at the futura's from pep-boyz? any > comments? disco-web guys loved them four years ago...am a > little outa touch, so comments?? > > ..after all I will most likely be selling Elgie with new > tires instead of the slick 235-75-15-s that came with [ 41 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Jan 17 03:45:26 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0H8jQVY024084 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 03:45:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0H8jQae024083 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 03:45:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 03:45:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200501170845.j0H8jPhP024079@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: More om Mojave Road... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks, during my travels of the last 1 1/2 days, I wandered into the Mojave River Valley Museum (this is the place in Barstow that I was trying to remember, although it isn't painted red anymore...now it's "county beige" - but there is still remnants of red paint on their sign!) Anyway, I asked the curator-for-the-day what the story is on the BLM closures, and the gist of it is that, the tree-huggers basically want to remove all traces of human presence from the desert, and this includes any & all historic places, dwellings, locations, etc.!!!!! The desert tortoise is their most recent argument in achieving this goal. There were, until recently, 4 cattle ranchers that still had herds on land that they owned out there: 3 have been bought out, and the 4th refuses to sell. Many buildings have been burnt to the ground at the ranches that were bought - along with other locations in the desert as well, rather than have them moved to, say, Goffs. (dunno about the burning down part - that's what I was told) As for Mojave Road: the general consensus is that, no matter what happens, nobody f*#%s with Mojave Road - and those were his words. (I guess Mr. Casebier is making progress) He did say that a few folks were on it last week, and it was pretty darn muddy - and a fellow by the name of William Venner wandered in at about this time, and mentioned that the river crossings were all flooded - as was the rest of the Mojave River last week! (I saw evidence of this as I drove into town - never seen so much water in that thing!) Oh - that Venner fellow...interesting man: was a combat engineer in the 7th Army at "The Bulge", as well as Northern Africa, and he trained at two of the Desert Training Center camps out there, as well, and his son even did a biography about him - and he walks over to a shelf, grabs a copy, and starts showing it to me! Very cool guy. BTW - Dennis Casebier will be at the MRVM this coming weekend, doing amongst other things, a book signing. Only drawback to living in Visalia now - I don't get to spend as much time in the desert as I used to...:( Charles From bens Mon Jan 17 03:49:13 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0H8nDVY024124 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 03:49:13 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0H8nDmN024123 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 03:49:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 03:49:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200501170849.j0H8nCaZ024119@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Tires Again.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org OR... ...it could have been sheer luck! Then again, I do have a way with machines...I can cutdown 2" fauxwood plantation blinds faster than anybody else at the store, too - and I haven't been working there as long as everybody else has! Not bad for a former airline employee/truck driver/ AC-130 driver (almost)... :) Charles -----Original message----- From: TeriAnn Wakeman twakeman@cruzers.com Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 06:14:32 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Tires Again.... > > > The "skinny tires" on Gillian...I've never, and I mean NEVER aired > > them down - for that matter, I've never aired down the SW's tires > > either...never felt the need to. > > You ought to try it some time on wash board roads. Makes all the > difference in the world to smooth them out. > > I air down all the time for different surfaces to increase traction or [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Jan 17 11:16:33 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0HGGXVY010969 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:16:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0HGGX8Y010968 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:16:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:16:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200501171616.j0HGGWDL010964@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Tires Again.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org so what's with Bias and not radial tires? On Jan 14, 2005, at 10:30 PM, GrannyP wrote: > > Dunlop Radial Rover RT 7.50R16 > > John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby", 2004 Honda Element "Ellie?" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano-the commuter, 2000 custom fixed gear (I built the frame), 2004 Steve Rex-road single ours: 2005 Steve Rex tandem (coming) From bens Mon Jan 17 12:22:21 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0HHMLVY014225 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:22:21 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0HHMLMR014224 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:22:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:22:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200501171722.j0HHMLns014218@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Sergi, Michael" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Tires Again.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I went the sandblast(I had ready access to one), prime, paint route. I used the Rustoleum rattle can for the paint. One thing is a coated the Rustoleum with Pelucid from POR. It is harder than the Rustoleum as should give some longer protection. http://www.por15.com/product.asp?productid=261 From bens Mon Jan 17 15:55:43 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0HKthVY023798 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:55:43 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0HKthHe023797 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:55:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:55:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200501172055.j0HKth2t023793@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles phu To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Series shocks and high seatbacks for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 10 lines filtered. ] Hi all, All new Woodhead shock absorbers for 109 (2 fronts and 2 rears) and a pair of 99% new black high seatbacks for sale. $150 for shocks and $200 for seatbacks. Thanks. charles --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. From bens Mon Jan 17 17:28:58 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0HMSwVY027631 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:28:58 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0HMSwOP027630 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:28:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:28:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200501172228.j0HMSwsD027626@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Sergi, Michael" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Tires again... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org While we are talking tires, does anyone know of a 205R16 to use? I am at the height limitation of the garage or the 235 would be the choice. I do not relish getting home airing down the tires, parking and reinflating. From bens Mon Jan 17 23:01:15 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0I41FVY009142 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 23:01:15 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0I41Fbv009141 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 23:01:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 23:01:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200501180401.j0I41Ftc009137@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "GrannyP" To: Subject: 205 replacement, was Re: Tires again... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sergi wrote: > While we are talking tires, does anyone know of a 205R16 to use? I am at > the height limitation of the garage or the 235 would be the choice. I do > not relish getting home airing down the tires, parking and reinflating. I believe that there are still some 235/70 tires available, as used on the early Discos. They are, I believe, the same OD as the 205/80 that was stock on the RRC. A widely available size that's about the same as the 205 in diameter is the 225/75. I actually ran those for a time on the rear of my RRC while still running 205s on the front. I'm now running 215/85 but I don't have a garage to worry about! Granny From bens Tue Jan 18 11:39:58 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0IGdwVY009566 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:39:58 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0IGdwGu009565 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:39:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:39:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200501181639.j0IGdvLh009561@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Tires again... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org There is still a 205R16 made by Cooper -- the Discoverer radial. See this link on thieir site http://www.coopertires.com/us/en/ProductDetails.asp?ProdType=SUV&id=174&title=SUV+Tires#sizesAndSpecs Cheers John Sergi, Michael wrote: From bens Tue Jan 18 11:49:01 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0IGn1VY009993 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:49:01 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0IGn1iH009992 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:49:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:49:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200501181649.j0IGn1o0009988@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: the NEW Range rover family car Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A bit cheaper, but still a Range rover. Thank you Ford. http://images.businessweek.com/db/05/01/auto07.htm From bens Tue Jan 18 12:48:11 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0IHmBVY012620 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:48:11 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0IHmBmt012619 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:48:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:48:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200501181748.j0IHmAJk012615@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: RE: Futuras Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Actually Charles I was close to buying them last year- Pep Boys had them on sale for like 45 bucks each or something. But I still have some life left in the Firestones and really should put the Rover funds into other things, like a new gearbox. As for my silence on the list, I have been really busy with Paramedic school (which was finished in November), the baby (thanks everyone for the kind wishes), the Holidays (just took the house lights down last week). I will continue to be scarce here- in thirty days I start the Ventura County Fire Department drill academy. Eighteen weeks of blood, sweat and tears. Mo Patrykus (Whose 109 has been sitting patiently in the garage since August with the gearbox half out) From bens Tue Jan 18 13:01:38 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0II1cVY013289 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:01:38 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0II1cGx013288 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:01:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:01:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200501181801.j0II1bSO013284@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Tom Gross To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mojave and tortoise Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org As Jimi said, "You can't always believe everything you see and hear - can you?". So, I might be completely wrong, but I did work for the U.S. Forest Service for 12 years, and on real cattle ranches as the hired hand (not hobby ranches). Most, if not all, ranches on the public land, USFS and BLM, have what is called commensurate property, which might be anywhere from 40 acres to 640 or even more. Often these properties are not in one chunk but are the commensurate property of former ranches that have been bought out over the years by the same person or corporate entity. Some ranches that border public land are truly huge, though, and have lots of private property, but they aren't usually completely surrounded by the forest or BLM, although some are. As far as I know the ranches on the Mojave preserve were smaller properties that had large grazing permits. In order to have a grazing permit, a rancher has to have the commensurate property. Hence the name "commensurate". Grazing permits aren't supposed to have intrinsic value, but that is not the case in the real world. They acquire value because they, in effect, come with the property. The agency, USFS or BLM, can choose not to renew a grazing permit. This is hardly ever done. I knew one case where the permit land (your land) was so overgrazed, and there were so many trespass cattle, and it was so neglected that the cattle were removed and the permit revoked. What has happened in the Mojave is that the commensurate property was bought, and then the grazing permit was retired. Why did this happen? It was an assault on a grand, wonderful, traditional life style - well not really. Maybe these ranches, which seemed to be owned by people that did not live there, and were run by hired (illegal immigrant, perhaps) help, couldn't make any money, and the guvmint or some "enviro-nazi" organization presented them with an offer they couldn't refuse. If the ranch on Cima Dome was any indication, a buyout and retiring the permit was the best thing that could have happened. Every time I've been there I couldn't figure out what the cattle were eating. It was so beat out, and the facilities (fences, waterlines) were so deteriorated and useless, that I'm sure it was a race to see if the cattle would starve before they could get sold. They seemed to survive mainly on prickly pear and supplement or hay that was trucked in to the corrals scattered along the old broken waterlines. They probably had to truck the water, too. So, the cattle eat grass, and they pretty much ate all of it. Guess what else eats grass. The Desert Tortoise. So, I think it's stupid to target vehicle travel as a tortoise threat while the tortoise food is and was being eaten by cows. Since the cows are going away, maybe the loss due to idiots in vehicles wouldn't be too much to bear. This might be an argument to present to the powers that be. I can't speak for the ravens or crows, though. I know that West Nile Virus wiped them out around here last summer, but they're back. Tom From bens Tue Jan 18 14:40:41 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0IJefVY017415 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:40:41 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0IJef41017414 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:40:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:40:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200501181940.j0IJeeHE017410@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Blair Peterson" To: Subject: tire talk-->Rusty's new shoes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've enjoyed the tire talk that Matt started with his questions about what to fit on Rusty. Granny, John Brabyn and I have occassionally had detailed off-line threads on tires over the years-- figuring it was too nerdy to discuss in public. Ha, I see there are more tire nerds on Mendo than I thought. The links that Daniel provided are pretty cool (one of them showed what looked like a Michelin XZL radial knockoff, except with sipes on the lugs!). I'm in the camp that likes the 7.50R16 size for a series truck but I too have experienced they are getting harder and harder to find. As cool as the bias ply "gravediggers" look, I'm sticking with radials for my Series tires going forward for general driveability reasons (unless I was every lucky enuf to have a trail- or farm-only rig (still need that farm first!)). As many have said, 235/85R16 is the next best thing if you can't find the right 7.50R16. The BFG MT KMs are probably the closest in terms of "proper" tall n' skinny knobbies for a Series truck (or Defender for that matter IMHO!). That tire certainly has plenty of kudos performance-wise. I currently have 7.50R16 Cooper STTs fitted on the 109. Great in general dirt, mud, etc. Fine on dry pavement at my 109's speeds (55-60mph tops) but don't give me a lot of confidence in the rain. Wear/tread-life is ok. At the Snow_Mendo of 2 years ago they were kinda marginal (4-12" snow on frozen dirt/mud base), but would have been better had I aired down. For many years I ran the now-deceased Cooper CTD in 7.50R16 on my D110 (and a former 109). That was a great tire. Replaced them on the 110 with 235/85R16 Toyo M55 for the snow/rain performance that was my critical need at the time (lots of winter Tahoe trips). The M55s were great in that element (smallish lugs and lots of sipes), and fine on Mendo-style dirt, but I never got them in mud. Cheers, Blair (who, proving his tire compulsion, recently put 4 Bridgestone Blizzak "severe service" snow tires on the family T*y*ta Sienna AWD van for frequent winter Tahoe trips-- they wear like pencil erasers but I have never experienced better traction on snowy/icy roads). -------------------------------------------------------- This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information intended for the specific individual or entity addressed, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient you must not disseminate, forward, print or copy it in any form or take any action or reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message or by calling +1 510-844-3000. Thank you. -------------------------------------------------------- From bens Tue Jan 18 14:56:45 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0IJujVY018053 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:56:45 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0IJujHD018052 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:56:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:56:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200501181956.j0IJuj2t018048@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "FoothillsSIII" To: Subject: Tall Rovers and the Hidden Costs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The question about shorter tires to fit in the garage reminds me of some fun I had with moving to a new place. The fit through the new door was so close that I had to build a contraption much like an over sized caliper to measure the door and the Rover--it fits. I am planning a trip to Alaska, and not wanting to do the whole trip at Series Rover speed I am going to use the AMHS Ferry. The Rover's height causes a substantial surcharge to be levied. Todd 82 88" S3 _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com From bens Tue Jan 18 14:58:03 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0IJw3VY018072 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:58:03 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0IJw3Ri018071 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:58:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:58:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200501181958.j0IJw3lr018067@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Jocelyn Saitta To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Seats Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I need some help selling two front seats and 2 jump seats from a Land rover discovery 2000. My husband originally bought them for a VW Crewcab project but he died of cancer before that was finished. I can't afford to live here in San Jose and am having to move in a few months and I have to get rid of this stuff. Does anyone have any suggestions other than ebay or craig's list? The seats are in good shape with complete electrical harness and seat belts. He paid $2,000 for them which I think was probably nuts, I am asking $500. I don't even know if this is a reasonable price. From bens Tue Jan 18 14:58:26 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0IJwPVY018091 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:58:25 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0IJwPbn018090 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:58:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:58:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200501181958.j0IJwPEx018086@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Shane Ballensky" To: Subject: RE: the NEW Range rover family car Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 18 lines filtered. ] that should do wonders for the new RR sport appeal. minivan suv minivan suv minivan suv minivan suv minivan suv minivan suv minivan suv minivan suv ahh can't decide? 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From bens Tue Jan 18 17:05:02 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0IM52VY024392 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:05:02 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0IM52e7024391 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:05:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:05:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200501182205.j0IM518E024372@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "GrannyP" To: Subject: 7.50R16 Dunlop Radial Rover RT Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "Dave G." wrote: > "..... Dunlop Radial Rover RT 7.50R16...." > > Are they still available Gran? After going through 4 sets of them the last > 5-6 years, the last time I tried to get some the Dunlop site didn't list > 7.50-16. Maybe it was a temporary thing and they're back now, I don't know. Apparently, they are. Tire Rack's website doesn't list them but Dunlop's does. See http://www.dunloptire.com/dunlop/display_tire.jsp?prodline=Radial+Rover+RT&mrktarea=Light+Truck Cheers, Granny From bens Tue Jan 18 18:19:21 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0INJLVY027446 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:19:21 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0INJKjQ027445 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:19:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:19:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200501182319.j0INJJ2A027441@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: enrique gomez To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1526 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 31 lines filtered. ] Hello all, I met a few of you at last year's "Mendo Not a Rally" event and have since purchased a '62 series IIA Regular from Peter Whitbeck, whom I believe was a member of this list. At any rate, I'm stripping it down and doing a ground up restoration and have a couple of questions and or request for suggestions: The engine is about 100K and hasn't run in ten years, Peter told me that it ran, but smoked at start up. I'd like to have rebuilt by Michael Green at west coast british or shuold I buy one outright from British Pacific for about $2,900 minus core exchange (500). Has anyone purchased one from them and if so, how is it doing? I'm having the chassis powder coated as well as the body, in D90 yellow. any pros or cons? How feasible is it to find and install an overdrive. Is it worth the trouble? Any other suggestion or comments would be appreciated. Enrique P.S. I'm looking forward to my second Mendo. Disco I "Mendo_Recce digest:" wrote: Mendo_Recce digest: Tuesday, January 18 2005 Volume 02 : Number 1526 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:54:46 -0500 From: joe mulqueen Subject: Re:Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1524 (tires) Yes, I still have two wheel sets! The Michelin XPS Rib tires (think UPS tires) are for extended highway driving. 235/85-16. Even though extremely heavy (steel sidewall belts), they spin much quicker and faster than my BFG MT/KM. The BFGs are currently on the truck, but if I was driving I5 in the middle of summer heat I'd definitely use the highway tires. Re. tread styles, If I could've afforded 'em, I would have bought Goodyear Wrangler MTR's. Tread face is a modern compromise between an AT and MT tire with a very usefull sidewall tread. Not having any sidewall tread is the primary weakness of the older style MT tires like Cooper/Futura/Dunlop, IMHO. And re. mud tires, I remember buying mine at the Novato CostCo specifically for the Sherwood Road "Reverse Mud Run". During the NCRC event a few months prior (my first time), I used Michelin XL? mudders borrowed from Nick Baggarly. He was very cool about the loan but after the trip I wanted my very own mud tires! I still think about that down here in San Diego... Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 00:39:37 -0500 From: Paul Archibald Subject: Re:Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1524 (tires) interesting! I am looking at tires for replacement for a few rigs. and the stt looks pretty good. i need to check on pricing now! as looking at the futura's from pep-boyz? any comments? disco-web guys loved them four years ago...am a little outa touch, so comments?? > My dilemma is that these no name, semi traction tires > that the S3 came with > are very nearly new, and I hate to just send them to the > dump. don't!!!get a second st of rims, and put on a set of wht you want! I remember talking to Joe M about this a few years ago when he wanted mud tires and to be able to drive teh series from LA to San Jose or Rhonert Park! I reminded him that wheeles are cheep and to have two sets, one for looong drives and one for off-road! I try to do that, but than again wore out my dunlop radial rover 2555-85's commuting 200 miles...go figure! Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 01:55:54 -0500 From: "Daniel E. Smith" Subject: Tires Again....Not Avons, but close Looking for something that says "Rover"? Check these out... http://www.greenball.com/tires/traction.htm# http://www.lassa.com.tr/english/products/van_light/ok-144.html http://www.lassa.com.tr/english/products/van_light/lta.html http://www.mrf-exports.com/product_details.asp?c=18&s=14&p=51 http://www.gearworksmfg.com/pages/516505/ Daniel __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 02:01:35 -0500 From: "Kevin Kelly" Subject: P38 at Mendo Scott wrote: > Hello everyone. I've been lurking on this email list for several weeks > now, but figure I should raise my hand and be introduced. > My only worry is that this seems to be primarily close-knit group of > Series owners. I drive a cushy '95 P38a...not sure if I will be scoffed at > or not. But in my defense, I grew up in my Dad's Series IIa 88 and his > 109. I spent many, many miles crammed into the back of the 88, and many, > many hours broken down in the middle of nowhere, helping him fix it! But > it was fun. Then Ben wrote: > I would make a guess at 1/3 Series and 1/3 D90/D110 > and 1/3 Disco & Range Rover. But that could vary wildly. It sounds like Scott will fit in fine. I just looked at a photo I took at Mendo a few years ago and counted 3 Range Rovers, 3 Series Land Rovers, 6 Discos, 3 Defenders and a 101 FC. I plan to make it to Mendo this year in the 1998 Range Rover HSE. Kevin P.S. I just drove back from Tahoe tonight and if the Mendocino National Forest got as much snow as the Tahoe Basin we might not be able to make it up to Cedar Camp in April unless we take snowmobiles... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 02:40:32 -0500 From: Paul Archibald Subject: Re: Tires Again....Not Avons, but close first one is a clone of old goodyear extra-grip militart tires! I miss them! and I like the others too! anyone in Califoenia selling any of these? Paul(in need of tires soon, but need 255-85-16 not 7.5x16 would take 9x16 if abailable!!) - --- "Daniel E. Smith" wrote: > > Looking for something that says "Rover"? > > Check these out... > > http://www.greenball.com/tires/traction.htm# > > http://www.lassa.com.tr/english/products/van_light/ok-144.html > > http://www.lassa.com.tr/english/products/van_light/lta.html > > http://www.mrf-exports.com/product_details.asp?c=18&s=14&p=51 > > http://www.gearworksmfg.com/pages/516505/ > > Daniel > > > > > __________________________________ [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 03:28:53 -0500 From: charles irvin Subject: Re:Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1524 (tires) I thinketh that Mo Patrykus is running the Futuras on his rig...or he was...or he was looking into it once...MO! YOU OUT THERE MO!?!?!?!? PUT THE BABY DOWN FOR A MINUTE & PICK UP THE KEYBOARD!!!!!!! :) Charles - -----Original message----- From: Paul Archibald androbus@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 21:39:39 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re:Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1524 (tires) > > interesting! I am looking at tires for replacement for a > few rigs. and the stt looks pretty good. i need to check on > pricing now! as looking at the futura's from pep-boyz? any > comments? disco-web guys loved them four years ago...am a > little outa touch, so comments?? > > ..after all I will most likely be selling Elgie with new > tires instead of the slick 235-75-15-s that came with [ 41 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 03:45:25 -0500 From: charles irvin Subject: More om Mojave Road... Folks, during my travels of the last 1 1/2 days, I wandered into the Mojave River Valley Museum (this is the place in Barstow that I was trying to remember, although it isn't painted red anymore...now it's "county beige" - but there is still remnants of red paint on their sign!) Anyway, I asked the curator-for-the-day what the story is on the BLM closures, and the gist of it is that, the tree-huggers basically want to remove all traces of human presence from the desert, and this includes any & all historic places, dwellings, locations, etc.!!!!! The desert tortoise is their most recent argument in achieving this goal. There were, until recently, 4 cattle ranchers that still had herds on land that they owned out there: 3 have been bought out, and the 4th refuses to sell. Many buildings have been burnt to the ground at the ranches that were bought - along with other locations in the desert as well, rather than have them moved to, say, Goffs. (dunno about the burning down part - that's what I was told) As for Mojave Road: the general consensus is that, no matter what happens, nobody f*#%s with Mojave Road - and those were his words. (I guess Mr. Casebier is making progress) He did say that a few folks were on it last week, and it was pretty darn muddy - and a fellow by the name of William Venner wandered in at about this time, and mentioned that the river crossings were all flooded - as was the rest of the Mojave River last week! (I saw evidence of this as I drove into town - never seen so much water in that thing!) Oh - that Venner fellow...interesting man: was a combat engineer in the 7th Army at "The Bulge", as well as Northern Africa, and he trained at two of the Desert Training Center camps out there, as well, and his son even did a biography about him - and he walks over to a shelf, grabs a copy, and starts showing it to me! Very cool guy. BTW - Dennis Casebier will be at the MRVM this coming weekend, doing amongst other things, a book signing. Only drawback to living in Visalia now - I don't get to spend as much time in the desert as I used to...:( Charles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 03:49:12 -0500 From: charles irvin Subject: Re: Tires Again.... OR... ...it could have been sheer luck! Then again, I do have a way with machines...I can cutdown 2" fauxwood plantation blinds faster than anybody else at the store, too - and I haven't been working there as long as everybody else has! Not bad for a former airline employee/truck driver/ AC-130 driver (almost)... :) Charles - -----Original message----- From: TeriAnn Wakeman twakeman@cruzers.com Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 06:14:32 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Tires Again.... > > > The "skinny tires" on Gillian...I've never, and I mean NEVER aired > > them down - for that matter, I've never aired down the SW's tires > > either...never felt the need to. > > You ought to try it some time on wash board roads. Makes all the > difference in the world to smooth them out. > > I air down all the time for different surfaces to increase traction or [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:16:32 -0500 From: John Hess Subject: Re: Tires Again.... so what's with Bias and not radial tires? On Jan 14, 2005, at 10:30 PM, GrannyP wrote: > > Dunlop Radial Rover RT 7.50R16 > > John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby", 2004 Honda Element "Ellie?" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano-the commuter, 2000 custom fixed gear (I built the frame), 2004 Steve Rex-road single ours: 2005 Steve Rex tandem (coming) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:22:21 -0500 From: "Sergi, Michael" Subject: Tires Again.... I went the sandblast(I had ready access to one), prime, paint route. I used the Rustoleum rattle can for the paint. One thing is a coated the Rustoleum with Pelucid from POR. It is harder than the Rustoleum as should give some longer protection. http://www.por15.com/product.asp?productid=261 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:55:43 -0500 From: charles phu Subject: Series shocks and high seatbacks for sale [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 10 lines filtered. ] Hi all, All new Woodhead shock absorbers for 109 (2 fronts and 2 rears) and a pair of 99% new black high seatbacks for sale. $150 for shocks and $200 for seatbacks. Thanks. charles - --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:28:58 -0500 From: "Sergi, Michael" Subject: Tires again... While we are talking tires, does anyone know of a 205R16 to use? I am at the height limitation of the garage or the 235 would be the choice. I do not relish getting home airing down the tires, parking and reinflating. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 23:01:15 -0500 From: "GrannyP" Subject: 205 replacement, was Re: Tires again... Sergi wrote: > While we are talking tires, does anyone know of a 205R16 to use? I am at > the height limitation of the garage or the 235 would be the choice. I do > not relish getting home airing down the tires, parking and reinflating. I believe that there are still some 235/70 tires available, as used on the early Discos. They are, I believe, the same OD as the 205/80 that was stock on the RRC. A widely available size that's about the same as the 205 in diameter is the 225/75. I actually ran those for a time on the rear of my RRC while still running 205s on the front. I'm now running 215/85 but I don't have a garage to worry about! Granny ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:39:57 -0500 From: John Brabyn Subject: Re: Tires again... There is still a 205R16 made by Cooper -- the Discoverer radial. See this link on thieir site http://www.coopertires.com/us/en/ProductDetails.asp?ProdType=SUV&id=174&title=SUV+Tires#sizesAndSpecs Cheers John Sergi, Michael wrote: ------------------------------ End of Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1526 *********************************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bens Tue Jan 18 19:08:05 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0J085VY029518 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:08:05 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0J085I1029517 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:08:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:08:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200501190008.j0J085Zp029513@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: hipine@att.net To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: tire talk-->Rusty's new shoes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html ] [ 15 lines filtered. ] In my past mail I made a comment about trying some Coopers in 255-85. I later remembered they weren't STTs as I think I said, but were in fact, Discoverer CTDs - a tread pattern more like the Dunlop RR/RT, where the STTs are more like a mud terrain, I think. -Dave G. From bens Tue Jan 18 19:14:19 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0J0EJVY029746 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:14:19 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0J0EJ2I029745 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:14:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:14:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200501190014.j0J0EJIH029741@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: hipine@att.net To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 7.50R16 Dunlop Radial Rover RT Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html ] [ 17 lines filtered. ] Very cool! I swear, when I was visitng that page last fall it was down to only 4-5 sizes listed and I was afraid they were phasing out the whole line. Looks like it's going strong. I just wish they'd toughen up the compound a little. Or maybe it's just that my love affair with the 7.50 16 has me applying them to vehicles that are too much for them, like the Disco and the "Eisenschwein" G. 235-85 might be right enough for the G, though I think it left the factory on 205-80s. Talk about lost inthe wheel well. The truck will take a 33-10.50 without rubbing or trimming. :^) -Dave G. From bens Tue Jan 18 19:23:22 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0J0NMVY030172 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:23:22 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0J0NMOb030171 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:23:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:23:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200501190023.j0J0NMaA030167@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Ted V Harwood II" To: Subject: Re: Engines and Chassis Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Enrique. I have a torn down '62 in the garage too! I have been wrestling with the engine question myself. Rovers North has rebuilt military engines or did, complete with all the ancillaries. they told me $2500 with shipping. You might also consider turner engineering, about $3000 with shipping without the ancillaries. Did you get a price on having the chassis done yet? Hope to make it to my first Mendo with my son's 88. Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "enrique gomez" > > Hello all, > > I met a few of you at last year's "Mendo Not a Rally" event and have since > purchased a '62 series IIA Regular from Peter Whitbeck, whom I believe was > a member of this list. At any rate, I'm stripping it down and doing a > ground up restoration and have a couple of questions and or request for > suggestions: > [ 17 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jan 18 20:06:12 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0J16CVY032048 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:06:12 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0J16Cu4032047 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:06:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:06:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200501190106.j0J16Bju032043@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Ted V Harwood II" To: Subject: Re: Engines and Chassis Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Oops, spoke too soon. Just got the new RN flyer. $2800 now for the military engine plus shipping! Ted From bens Tue Jan 18 21:46:50 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0J2koVY003658 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:46:50 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0J2koU9003657 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:46:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:46:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200501190246.j0J2knBh003653@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: tire talk-->Rusty's new shoes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A correction, sorta, on the tires on Gillian: she's got a set of Radial Rover AT's - NOT the RT'. I originally wanted the RT's, and I ordered the RT's, but they were outta stock at the time, so I got the AT's, and they seem to work just fine in most stuff - including the mud on Soda Lake. Size is 235/85x16. The SW does have Mud Rovers in 245/75x16, and I love 'em! Expensive, but I love 'em. Janet's Rangie - I forgot to add - has a set of the Cooper STT's: fantastic in the adobe mud on our property (that mud is more like chewing gum!), but boy - they're noisy. They're also 235/85x16's, and so far, I haven't had any problem at wll with them in the rain...interesting, as the rears are getting pretty low on tread... I'm thinking along the lines of 225/75x16's for the next set of shoes for the Rangie, but I'm still undecided as to what I should get - if I can find a set of RT's... Charles -----Original message----- From: "Blair Peterson" BPeterson@InterAsset.com Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:40:41 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: tire talk-->Rusty's new shoes > > I've enjoyed the tire talk that Matt started with his questions about > what to fit on Rusty. Granny, John Brabyn and I have occassionally had > detailed off-line threads on tires over the years-- figuring it was too > nerdy to discuss in public. Ha, I see there are more tire nerds on Mendo > than I thought. The links that Daniel provided are pretty cool (one of > them showed what looked like a Michelin XZL radial knockoff, except with > sipes on the lugs!). I'm in the camp that likes the 7.50R16 size for a > series truck but I too have experienced they are getting harder and [ 42 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jan 18 21:50:09 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0J2o8VY003794 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:50:08 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0J2o86D003793 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:50:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:50:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200501190250.j0J2o8tr003789@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "GrannyP" To: Subject: Re: tire talk-->Rusty's new shoes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Note, too, that the STT mud terrain has been redesigned. The new ones (just out) have some siping and (as I recall) 3-ply sidewalls. > In my past mail I made a comment about trying some Coopers in 255-85. I later remembered they weren't STTs as I think I said, but were in fact, Discoverer CTDs - a tread pattern more like the Dunlop RR/RT, where the STTs are more like a mud terrain, I think. From bens Tue Jan 18 21:55:06 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0J2t6VY003959 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:55:06 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0J2t6Lm003958 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:55:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:55:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200501190255.j0J2t6j0003954@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1526 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Enrique, I met you at Mojave Road a few years back - I think...(dead braincells...) > Hello all, > The engine is about 100K and hasn't run in ten years, Peter told me that it ran, but smoked at start up. I'd like to have rebuilt by Michael Green at west coast british or shuold I buy one outright from British Pacific for about $2,900 minus core exchange (500). Has anyone purchased one from them and if so, how is it doing? I've never dumped that much into a new engine, but the BP engines are usually built by one Pat Young down in Palmdale, and I'd trust anything that he puts together. > I'm having the chassis powder coated as well as the body, in D90 yellow. any pros or cons? I've often wondered which is better for the chassis - powder coating, or galvanizing? Anybody?...(I mean, if you bottom out against rocks it's gonna get scratched no matter which way 'ya go...) > How feasible is it to find and install an overdrive. Is it worth the trouble? If you're keeping the original engine in its original configuration, an overdrive may be worth it. However, if you're installing a 2.5 cam, a Turner tuned head with a HIF-6 carb (or Weber), bigger bore also, then I'd consider the Ashcroft transfer case: I drove such a rig in Boston 5 years ago, and it still had the stock off-road ability, yet it cruised comfortably at 85mph! Oh - if you're hard on drivetrains, make sure you've got either some sort of a locker in the rear diff - along with beefier axles, or get a Salsbury rear. Charles From bens Tue Jan 18 22:21:47 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0J3LlVY005190 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:21:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0J3Ll7v005189 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:21:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:21:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200501190321.j0J3LlU4005185@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "joshua fischer" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Tires and now wheels Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello all, Does anybody happen to know the offset/backspacing on stock D1 wheels or on the Wolfe wheels? I am trying to figure out what to run on my D1 when I get my Rovertym 3" lift all set-up. I am a little leary about running 235/85-16's with my stock ratio. I have a 5spd. and will probably never get it into 5th gear! Does anybody run 245/75-16's with a stock ratio? Are they a little smaller diameter or will it make much difference? Also, I have seen some people run 33X12.50-16's or 31X10.50-16's? I ran 31X10.50-15's on my series for about 5 years and only broke 2 axles! Both on Highway 101! Any info will be a great help. Thank you all in advance for all of the input. Regards, Josh Fischer 1997 D1 SD 5spd. jfischer160@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From bens Tue Jan 18 22:31:44 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0J3ViVY005633 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:31:44 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0J3VicS005632 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:31:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:31:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200501190331.j0J3ViFb005628@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Tall Rovers and the Hidden Costs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It that new? When I went it was only based on length, not height. Frank ----------------------- FoothillsSIII wrote: >... >I am planning a trip to Alaska, and not wanting to do the whole trip at >Series Rover speed I am going to use the AMHS Ferry. The Rover's height >causes a substantial surcharge to be levied. > > > > > From bens Tue Jan 18 22:42:36 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0J3gaVY006041 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:42:36 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0J3gagr006040 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:42:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:42:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200501190342.j0J3ga2E006036@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Tall Rovers and the Hidden Costs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > It that new? When I went it was only based on length, not height. The Canadian ferries I've been on charge a whole lot more if the vehicle is over 7 feet high. I spent a lot of $$$ on them. Before I go back with a ferry crossing in mind, I'm going to measure height with empty roof rack & 10 pounds pressure in the tyres. TeriAnn J. Wakeman Marigold Ltd. www.marigoldltd.com From bens Tue Jan 18 22:51:12 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0J3pCVY006459 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:51:12 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0J3pCwo006458 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:51:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:51:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200501190351.j0J3pBwR006454@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Tall Rovers and the Hidden Costs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 41 lines filtered. ] --------------070608010002010609040001 I must have misread. I thought he meant the Alaska ferry. (The Candian ferries don't go to Alaska). Frank -------------------------- TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: >>It that new? When I went it was only based on length, not height. >> >> > >The Canadian ferries I've been on charge a whole lot more if the >vehicle is over 7 feet high. I spent a lot of $$$ on them. Before I >go back with a ferry crossing in mind, I'm going to measure height with >empty roof rack & 10 pounds pressure in the tyres. > [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] --------------070608010002010609040001 From bens Tue Jan 18 22:53:12 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0J3rCVY006478 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:53:12 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0J3rCoZ006477 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:53:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:53:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200501190353.j0J3rBuK006473@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Matt W" To: Subject: Engine rebuilds Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 32 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" I rebuilt Rusty's engine about three years ago(Wow its been that long!) = if I had to do it over again I would look at an engine swap. I'm not = sure the SMB 350 is the answer, I like the Merc Cruiser. I will be = coming to mendo so if you want you can drive Rusty and see what its = like, it might help you make a decision. Of course if you have already made up your mind, good luck ! and ask = questions this list sure has helped me out over the last five years. Wow = five years of series ownership and I'm still a nubi. My best, Matt W From bens Tue Jan 18 23:02:49 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0J42nVY006955 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:02:49 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0J42n6u006954 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:02:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:02:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200501190402.j0J42ns0006950@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Matt W" To: Subject: Re: tire talk-->Rusty's new shoes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well it does look like I started something... Now I'm really confused. I like the look of the Bias ply tires (Thanks Daniel) but I think I better stay with the Radials. 'I'm pretty sold on these cooper tires http://www.coopertire.com/us/en/ProductDetails.asp?ProdType=LtTruck&id=3&title=Light+Truck+Tires the discoverer S/T-C in the 235/85 R16 O well first purchase is the new rear drive shaft, "the bank" My wife say's I can get it on Friday Payday. Matt W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blair Peterson" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 11:40 AM Subject: tire talk-->Rusty's new shoes > > I've enjoyed the tire talk that Matt started with his questions about > what to fit on Rusty. Granny, John Brabyn and I have occassionally had > detailed off-line threads on tires over the years-- figuring it was too > nerdy to discuss in public. Ha, I see there are more tire nerds on Mendo > than I thought. The links that Daniel provided are pretty cool (one of > them showed what looked like a Michelin XZL radial knockoff, except with > sipes on the lugs!). I'm in the camp that likes the 7.50R16 size for a > series truck but I too have experienced they are getting harder and [ 49 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jan 18 23:03:48 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0J43mVY006987 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:03:48 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0J43mIP006986 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:03:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:03:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200501190403.j0J43mUT006982@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: jarrod wyrick To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: tire talk-->Rusty's new shoes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Charles, I just had a set of 235/85s BFG MTs installed on my RRC. I noticed that after I put them on the RRC seem to wonder a lot in the lane at freeway speeds. It does have a OME lift, but it did not seem to be as bad with my old stock size tires. How does you RRC handle at freeway speeds with the 235s that you have. Thanks for the info, Jarrod On Jan 18, 2005, at 6:46 PM, charles irvin wrote: > > A correction, sorta, on the tires on Gillian: she's got a set of > Radial Rover AT's - NOT the RT'. I originally wanted the RT's, and I > ordered the RT's, but they were outta stock at the time, so I got the > AT's, and they seem to work just fine in most stuff - including the > mud on Soda Lake. Size is 235/85x16. > > The SW does have Mud Rovers in 245/75x16, and I love 'em! Expensive, > but I love 'em. [ 33 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jan 18 23:36:06 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0J4a6VY008442 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:36:06 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0J4a6Vv008441 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:36:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:36:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200501190436.j0J4a5Zk008437@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Engine rebuilds Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Matt W wrote: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; ] > [ 32 lines filtered. ] > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > I rebuilt Rusty's engine about three years ago(Wow its > been that long!) = [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] heck! if I show in Elgie instead of the disco or rangie, I'll let you try a mercruiser 140. I've got two months to get the integral custom intake/exhaust sorted out...maybe paint too! if I get it all done y'all may not recognize the l'il beastie! by the way, for those with right hand drive, the sbc 350 and even better 4.3 chebbie v-6 I am thinking of doing so with a hyster version if I don't use a 3.0 hyster eteup for the next one...yes even including the propane carb(gotta take advantage ofa father-in-law hyster mechanic!) Paul From bens Tue Jan 18 23:58:00 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0J4w0VY009310 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:58:00 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0J4w0nV009309 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:58:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:58:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200501190458.j0J4w0VC009305@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Engines and Chassis Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ray at Wise Owl in Vancouver, Canada sells rebuilt engines at a pretty good price. Hear they are good rebuilds and he will stand behind the engines if there is a problem. Rebuilding the engine yourself is a rewarding experience and will give you a sense of accomplishment. Costs will probably run around $1600 after you pay for all the machining and replace parts like Pistons, valves, oil pump, rebuild lifters, etc. Job is pretty straight forward and only 'special tool' required is a dial indicator assuming you already own a torque wrench. Having said that, I wouldn't rebuild another 2 1/4 but would buy Robert Davis' Mercruiser conversion. Engine is over 100hp, 125 foot pounds of torque, lighter than the 2 1/4 and GETS BETTER GAS MILEAGE. The conversion is a bolt in requiring no cutting and welding to the Series truck. If you are silly enough to want to go back to the 2 1/4, just drop it back in. Cost is a bit steeper at around $4,000 but it's a lot more engine. No more driving a moving traffic barrier. Incidentally, Davis has engineered the engine to live with the Series running gear so you won't have to rebuild or replace everything like you would with a v8. If you already have access to one of the Pontiac engines, Davis will sell his modification in kit form to save some bucks. Some assembly required in that case, however. FWIW, I rebuilt my engine and later stuck in a 2.5 cam and milled, ported and polished the head. My 2 1/4 is putting out more than the stock 2 1/4 but would still like more oomph to climb the hills around here. It would cruise easily at 60+ mph if I had an overdrive to keep the rev's down. Still won't do the 45mph speed-limit up steep hills, however. Aloha Peter O. --- Ted V Harwood II wrote: > > Hi Enrique. I have a torn down '62 in the garage > too! I have been wrestling > with the engine question myself. Rovers North has > rebuilt military engines > or did, complete with all the ancillaries. they told > me $2500 with shipping. > You might also consider turner engineering, about > $3000 with shipping [ 23 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From bens Wed Jan 19 01:59:10 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0J6xAVY015807 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 01:59:10 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0J6xAxJ015806 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 01:59:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 01:59:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200501190659.j0J6x9OS015802@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: RE: Engines Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Call BCB, Last time I was there, they had a RN new 2.25L in the shop that a costumer had bought and had changed their mind and went for the chevy 350. Maybe the costumer will make a deal on it for you. Mehdi From bens Wed Jan 19 02:51:44 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0J7piVY018041 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 02:51:44 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0J7piDw018040 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 02:51:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 02:51:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200501190751.j0J7piiD018036@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Greg" To: Subject: Re: overdrive Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org You could get a brand new "Roverdrive" from rocky mountain, I think they're arount $1200 and are supposedly much better than the older series overdrives. ----- Original Message ----- From: "enrique gomez" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 3:19 PM Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1526 From bens Wed Jan 19 11:49:07 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0JGn7VY007633 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:49:07 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0JGn7dc007632 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:49:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:49:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200501191649.j0JGn7uB007628@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: hipine@att.net To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: tire talk-->Rusty's new shoes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html ] [ 19 lines filtered. ] "... 'I'm pretty sold on these cooper tires http://www.coopertire.com/us/en/ProductDetails.asp?ProdType=LtTruck&id=3&title=Light+Truck+Tires ..." Those are the ones they called the CTD when I tried them a few years ago. They sure do keep things interesting don't they, changing those names around. That one is sort of like the Dunlop RR/RT, tread agressiveness-wise. But for me they didn't grip as well in the slick mud/snow/ice as the dunlops did, and they didn't last any longer, so I didn't buy any more. -Dave G. From bens Wed Jan 19 11:53:43 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0JGrhVY007863 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:53:43 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0JGrhFC007862 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:53:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:53:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200501191653.j0JGrh67007858@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: tire talk-->Rusty's new shoes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Jarrod, Oh - geez...this truck does have the OME MEDIUM spring kit, and OME shocks, and I guess it's because of the combination of the kit & taller tires - and what appears to be a weak R.H. rear shock - it's all over the road! Steering is VERY touchy, and that's partly why I want to go to slightly shorter tires. I'm actually afraid of it after having driven my F350 for a week & then climbing into the Rangie. I have to get used to it all over again, and it seems that it feels worse each time - but that could just be me. The tires themselves DO have really good traction, however, but the truck wanders everywhere, as if suspension bushings were shot, but they're in good shape so I know it's not that. I dunno where salespeople get the idea, but a lifted Rangie with tall tires & medium springs sucks! 'Ya gotta go with the heavies because lift kit & taller tires = more leaning = more sidewall flexing = softer handling. Anybody that's ever REALLY been into sportscars knows this, and it ain't fuzzy math. My old Rangie had the heavy springs/OME shocks, and it handled on pavement like a sportscar - though I was running 225/75's on it. Granted, the softer setup m a y have slightly better articulation off-road, but so far I haven't noticed any difference between the two in that area. Also, so far this is my second coiler that's had OME shocks: anybody that knows me knows that I'm not particularly rough when off/on-roading, yet the OME shocks seem to fail too often for my liking. matt had this truck for 2 years, has hardly done any off-roading with it, yet the R.H. rear shock is bad. My own Rangie went through 2 sets in two years, and I did what - two Mendos in that time with that truck, and one Big Bear trip??? I think this time I'm dumping money into Bilstien's, Koni's or Ranchos, but OME isn't what they used to be. Oh - the Series rigs? They're still running stock shocks, though I prefer the heavier diesel springs, or the military springs. I like Parobolics, but so far they're still a bit soft for my liking. Charles -----Original message----- From: jarrod wyrick jarrodwyrick@mac.com Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:03:48 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: tire talk-->Rusty's new shoes > > Hi Charles, > I just had a set of 235/85s BFG MTs installed on my RRC. I noticed that > after I put them on the RRC seem to wonder a lot in the lane at freeway > speeds. It does have a OME lift, but it did not seem to be as bad with > my old stock size tires. How does you RRC handle at freeway speeds with > the 235s that you have. > > Thanks for the info, [ 14 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jan 19 12:00:23 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0JH0MVY008246 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:00:22 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0JH0MHT008236 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:00:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:00:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200501191700.j0JH0Lfc008229@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: tire talk-->Rusty's new shoes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Matt, It should be noted that the only major difference between bias & radials, is the ride, and handling on wet pavement. Series rigs were originaly fitted with bias ply's because that's what was available at the time (radials weren't around yet). They're allegedly longer wearing, but I've had both, and it's still up in the air to me. All I know, is that bias ply's are cheaper! I recently found a place in Tulare that had a bias off-road tire in 7.50x16 (well, back when I got the Mud Rovers for the SW), and they were something like $40.00 each. :) Charles -----Original message----- From: "Matt W" rvrfish@cox.net Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:02:49 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: tire talk-->Rusty's new shoes > > Well it does look like I started something... Now I'm really confused. I > like the look of the Bias ply tires (Thanks Daniel) but I think I better > stay with the Radials. > 'I'm pretty sold on these cooper tires > http://www.coopertire.com/us/en/ProductDetails.asp?ProdType=LtTruck&id=3&title=Light+Truck+Tires > the discoverer S/T-C in the 235/85 R16 > > O well first purchase is the new rear drive shaft, "the bank" My wife say's [ 24 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jan 19 12:08:11 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0JH8BVY008498 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:08:11 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0JH8B2Y008497 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:08:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:08:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200501191708.j0JH8Bkm008493@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Chris De Jesus" To: Subject: Re: Tires and now wheels Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Josh, I don't recall the backspacing of the stock DI wheels, but I am running Goodyear AT/S 245/75-16s on my stock rims with a stock automatic tranny. The fronts rub a little at full lock and the rears catch the rear lip of the wheelwell at full stuff (have to do some trimming). I am running a 1" lift from Northwestparts. You will probably have to do some trimming of the rear wheelwells and adjust your front stops. Good luck, Chris D. Mudy_ovl ----- Original Message ----- From: "joshua fischer" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 7:21 PM Subject: RE: Tires and now wheels > > Hello all, > Does anybody happen to know the offset/backspacing on stock D1 wheels or on > the Wolfe wheels? > I am trying to figure out what to run on my D1 when I get my Rovertym 3" > lift all set-up. I am a little leary about running 235/85-16's with my > stock ratio. I have a 5spd. and will probably never get it into 5th gear! > Does anybody run 245/75-16's with a stock ratio? Are they a little smaller > diameter or will it make much difference? Also, I have seen some people run > 33X12.50-16's or > 31X10.50-16's? I ran 31X10.50-15's on my series for about 5 years and only > broke 2 axles! Both on Highway 101! Any info will be a great help. Thank > you all in advance for all of the input. > > Regards, > Josh Fischer > 1997 D1 SD 5spd. > jfischer160@hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jan 19 12:11:16 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0JHBGVY008732 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:11:16 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0JHBGXd008731 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:11:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:11:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200501191711.j0JHBF1t008727@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Engine rebuilds Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've got an early version of a Robert Davis 3.0L . I has a 78 Chevy Monza non-crossflow head and the 3.0 Mercruiser block. The cam is a stock Comp Cam out of their catalogue, If I had known that at the time, I would have had Bob Gromm at Gromm Racing Heads come up with a custom cam, as he did for my 3.9. He sends the specs to Iskidarian Cams, where they machine it for about $150. At any rate, the Davis MK. I, put out 126 ft/lbs torque and 65 h.p. at the rear wheels on the dyno at Mustang Ranch in Santa Clara. If you add a percentage back in for mechanical loss, the numbers exceed the 2.25 considerably. I went over Donner Pass in 4th, with the Ashcroft transfer case, in a fully loaded 88". No downshift. Temperature never exceeded 190, over a Labor Day weekend. I usually cruise the freeways between 65 -70, and got it up to above 90 just to see. It still had a bit more left. At that speed, 65-70, I get 15 MPG. Robert's latest 3.0L, no longer uses a Merc block. He get GM 2.5L crossflow then bores it and I think strokes it. He claims around 180 ft/lbs torque and 180 h.p., that's probably at the engine. But better than my MK. I. He also runs them in for awhile so there are no issues when you start it. However, (and you knew there was going to be a "however"), the engine is not without "issues". The low end torque is not as low as I would prefer. This may be due to the fact that I have a Clifford Intake Manifold and header on the monza head. The intake was designed for circle track racing, midget class I think. so the runners are large. In addition, I had to shorten the runner length so it would fit between the head and steering box. I cut out 1" of length. The header had to be modified to clear the frame and exit at the proper position. I intend to go back to the stock intake and exhaust and see if that improves low end performance. the 32/36 Weber is sync-linked instead of progressive opening. Also possibly due to the racing intake. I thought milage would be better than 15, but again, the carb. is synch-linked. and driving at 65+ in a Rover doesn't help. Another problem is vibration. A 3.0L in a boat may be acceptable, but in a car, well....probably why most straight 4 cyls are 2.5L max. And now most have a counter-balancing shaft. Maybe the GM 2.5/3.0 is a smoother engine, I hope so. There is an rpm range, 1800-2200, that's not good. Just the nature of the engine. Anyway, enough spewage for now. >>> rvrfish@cox.net 01/18/05 07:53PM >>> [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 32 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" I rebuilt Rusty's engine about three years ago(Wow its been that long!) = if I had to do it over again I would look at an engine swap. I'm not = sure the SMB 350 is the answer, I like the Merc Cruiser. I will be = coming to mendo so if you want you can drive Rusty and see what its = like, it might help you make a decision. Of course if you have already made up your mind, good luck ! and ask = questions this list sure has helped me out over the last five years. Wow = five years of series ownership and I'm still a nubi. My best, Matt W From bens Wed Jan 19 12:23:49 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0JHNnVY009162 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:23:49 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0JHNnwX009161 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:23:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:23:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200501191723.j0JHNmhG009157@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: jarrod wyrick To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: tire talk-->235s on a RRC Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, Thanks for the information. I am running HD springs front and back with Bilstiens on all corners. The Bilstiens might be getting old, but rebound feels okay. I still have the sway bars on so this RRC does not lean at all in the corners. It drove great with the 205s that came on the truck, but adding the hight of the 235s has proven to be a challenge. I will see if fixing that caster will solve this. It should bring back some of the neutral steering feel. -Jarrod BTW- the 235s are E-rated, so they have a very stiff side-wall. On Jan 19, 2005, at 8:53 AM, charles irvin wrote: > > Hi Jarrod, > > Oh - geez...this truck does have the OME MEDIUM spring kit, and OME > shocks, and I guess it's because of the combination of the kit & > taller tires - and what appears to be a weak R.H. rear shock - it's > all over the road! Steering is VERY touchy, and that's partly why I > want to go to slightly shorter tires. I'm actually afraid of it after > having driven my F350 for a week & then climbing into the Rangie. I [ 55 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jan 19 12:49:31 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0JHnVVY010189 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:49:31 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0JHnVSI010188 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:49:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:49:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200501191749.j0JHnVZM010184@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: tire talk-->235s on a RRC Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have 265's on Standard RRC Wheels. It has a 2" Lift and nothing ever touches and nothing is cut and they handle very well on the road and very well offroad. They are Yokahama's Kind regards, Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "jarrod wyrick" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 9:23 AM Subject: Re: tire talk-->235s on a RRC > > Charles, > Thanks for the information. > > I am running HD springs front and back with Bilstiens on all corners. > The Bilstiens might be getting old, but rebound feels okay. I still > have the sway bars on so this RRC does not lean at all in the corners. > It drove great with the 205s that came on the truck, but adding the > hight of the 235s has proven to be a challenge. [ 23 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jan 19 13:28:06 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0JIS6VY011818 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:28:06 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0JIS6Ll011817 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:28:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:28:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200501191828.j0JIS6SD011813@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "GrannyP" To: Subject: Re: tire talk-->235s on a RRC Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Josh, Take a look at the extensive discussion of these issues on John Brabyn's tire/wheel link http://www.rangerovers.net/outfitting/tires/classictires.html#large Although the clearance issues are slightly different for Discovery Series I and Range Rover Classic, the handling issues are similar. John switched from 215/85 to 245/75, finding, as others have, that the very narrow, high-profile tires (with their slower transient response) tend to result in squirmier handling than do the wider, lower profile tires. See also the article about the need for wider track on lifted vehicles, for stability, at http://www.expeditionswest.com/research/white_papers/tire_selection.html I am currently running the wonderful but NLA BFG Trac Edges in size 215/85R16 on my RRC with a 2" lift (RoverTym springs). It's squirrelly as hell, with (I think) reasonably tight and sound bushings (mostly poly) and shocks (Bilsteins). I'd love to graduate to 235/85 tires next time around but am thinking that I may go to 245/85 instead. I can always use more ground clearance, which makes the 235/85s attractive (Hell! I'd love to go to 255/85!) but I need better on-road stability and am afraid of the taller gearing effect (and drivetrain strain with my 10-spline axles and LSDs) I'd get with taller tires. It's none too powerful now. I remember talking to someone who was running 235/85s on a Disco I with stock gearing, who said he was planning to go to 245/75 next time around, for that reason. I met a guy in Oregon who was running 265/75s on a lifted RRC, who also said he would probably go to 245/75s next time. One thing nice about the 245/75 size is that some makes are actually available in Load Range C, rather then E! That's got to make for a softer ride. I believe that this is true of the Firestone Destination MT tires that John Brabyn just put on his RR Mk II. One more comment on clearance vs. size issues: This varies from brand to brand and according to tread style. MTs with very gnarly shoulder lugs may have more clearance issues than do milder AT treads. Mark's comments reminded me about this. I just personally inspected his vehicle and was amazed to see no evidence of any wheel well trimming with those huge tires of his! However, that tire (Yokohama Geolander MT--also available in load range C) seems to me to have a fairly rounded profile and that may be part of the story. Granny From bens Wed Jan 19 13:36:46 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0JIakVY012266 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:36:46 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0JIakiV012265 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:36:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:36:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200501191836.j0JIaiXX012261@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: enrique gomez To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1527 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 44 lines filtered. ] Mehdi, Thanks for the info about BCB, I'm still a newbie, so could you please tell what the acronym stands for. and if you have a minute, tell me about your own set up. I remember being pretty surprised last year on the way to Mendo, you were cruising at 85mph in your "O'l 109". Are you and the family going up this year? My son Sebastian had a really good time with Ariana and Arman. Ted, MAAS Powder Coating in Livermore quoted me $600.00 for the chassis alone> i'm thinking of doing the axles, wheels and other small stuff. Approx. $1,500.00 Charles, Could you please tell a bit more about the Mercruiser engine. Is it a modified Land Rover engine or a totally different one. Thanks for all your responses. Enriqu "Mendo_Recce digest:" wrote: Mendo_Recce digest: Wednesday, January 19 2005 Volume 02 : Number 1527 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:49:01 -0500 From: "Mehdi Saghafi" Subject: the NEW Range rover family car A bit cheaper, but still a Range rover. Thank you Ford. http://images.businessweek.com/db/05/01/auto07.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:48:10 -0500 From: "mpatrykus" Subject: RE: Futuras Actually Charles I was close to buying them last year- Pep Boys had them on sale for like 45 bucks each or something. But I still have some life left in the Firestones and really should put the Rover funds into other things, like a new gearbox. As for my silence on the list, I have been really busy with Paramedic school (which was finished in November), the baby (thanks everyone for the kind wishes), the Holidays (just took the house lights down last week). I will continue to be scarce here- in thirty days I start the Ventura County Fire Department drill academy. Eighteen weeks of blood, sweat and tears. Mo Patrykus (Whose 109 has been sitting patiently in the garage since August with the gearbox half out) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:01:37 -0500 From: Tom Gross Subject: RE: Mojave and tortoise As Jimi said, "You can't always believe everything you see and hear - can you?". So, I might be completely wrong, but I did work for the U.S. Forest Service for 12 years, and on real cattle ranches as the hired hand (not hobby ranches). Most, if not all, ranches on the public land, USFS and BLM, have what is called commensurate property, which might be anywhere from 40 acres to 640 or even more. Often these properties are not in one chunk but are the commensurate property of former ranches that have been bought out over the years by the same person or corporate entity. Some ranches that border public land are truly huge, though, and have lots of private property, but they aren't usually completely surrounded by the forest or BLM, although some are. As far as I know the ranches on the Mojave preserve were smaller properties that had large grazing permits. In order to have a grazing permit, a rancher has to have the commensurate property. Hence the name "commensurate". Grazing permits aren't supposed to have intrinsic value, but that is not the case in the real world. They acquire value because they, in effect, come with the property. The agency, USFS or BLM, can choose not to renew a grazing permit. This is hardly ever done. I knew one case where the permit land (your land) was so overgrazed, and there were so many trespass cattle, and it was so neglected that the cattle were removed and the permit revoked. What has happened in the Mojave is that the commensurate property was bought, and then the grazing permit was retired. Why did this happen? It was an assault on a grand, wonderful, traditional life style - well not really. Maybe these ranches, which seemed to be owned by people that did not live there, and were run by hired (illegal immigrant, perhaps) help, couldn't make any money, and the guvmint or some "enviro-nazi" organization presented them with an offer they couldn't refuse. If the ranch on Cima Dome was any indication, a buyout and retiring the permit was the best thing that could have happened. Every time I've been there I couldn't figure out what the cattle were eating. It was so beat out, and the facilities (fences, waterlines) were so deteriorated and useless, that I'm sure it was a race to see if the cattle would starve before they could get sold. They seemed to survive mainly on prickly pear and supplement or hay that was trucked in to the corrals scattered along the old broken waterlines. They probably had to truck the water, too. So, the cattle eat grass, and they pretty much ate all of it. Guess what else eats grass. The Desert Tortoise. So, I think it's stupid to target vehicle travel as a tortoise threat while the tortoise food is and was being eaten by cows. Since the cows are going away, maybe the loss due to idiots in vehicles wouldn't be too much to bear. This might be an argument to present to the powers that be. I can't speak for the ravens or crows, though. I know that West Nile Virus wiped them out around here last summer, but they're back. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:40:40 -0500 From: "Blair Peterson" Subject: tire talk-->Rusty's new shoes I've enjoyed the tire talk that Matt started with his questions about what to fit on Rusty. Granny, John Brabyn and I have occassionally had detailed off-line threads on tires over the years-- figuring it was too nerdy to discuss in public. Ha, I see there are more tire nerds on Mendo than I thought. The links that Daniel provided are pretty cool (one of them showed what looked like a Michelin XZL radial knockoff, except with sipes on the lugs!). I'm in the camp that likes the 7.50R16 size for a series truck but I too have experienced they are getting harder and harder to find. As cool as the bias ply "gravediggers" look, I'm sticking with radials for my Series tires going forward for general driveability reasons (unless I was every lucky enuf to have a trail- or farm-only rig (still need that farm first!)). As many have said, 235/85R16 is the next best thing if you can't find the right 7.50R16. The BFG MT KMs are probably the closest in terms of "proper" tall n' skinny knobbies for a Series truck (or Defender for that matter IMHO!). That tire certainly has plenty of kudos performance-wise. I currently have 7.50R16 Cooper STTs fitted on the 109. Great in general dirt, mud, etc. Fine on dry pavement at my 109's speeds (55-60mph tops) but don't give me a lot of confidence in the rain. Wear/tread-life is ok. At the Snow_Mendo of 2 years ago they were kinda marginal (4-12" snow on frozen dirt/mud base), but would have been better had I aired down. For many years I ran the now-deceased Cooper CTD in 7.50R16 on my D110 (and a former 109). That was a great tire. Replaced them on the 110 with 235/85R16 Toyo M55 for the snow/rain performance that was my critical need at the time (lots of winter Tahoe trips). The M55s were great in that element (smallish lugs and lots of sipes), and fine on Mendo-style dirt, but I never got them in mud. Cheers, Blair (who, proving his tire compulsion, recently put 4 Bridgestone Blizzak "severe service" snow tires on the family T*y*ta Sienna AWD van for frequent winter Tahoe trips-- they wear like pencil erasers but I have never experienced better traction on snowy/icy roads). - -------------------------------------------------------- This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information intended for the specific individual or entity addressed, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient you must not disseminate, forward, print or copy it in any form or take any action or reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message or by calling +1 510-844-3000. Thank you. - -------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:56:45 -0500 From: "FoothillsSIII" Subject: Tall Rovers and the Hidden Costs The question about shorter tires to fit in the garage reminds me of some fun I had with moving to a new place. The fit through the new door was so close that I had to build a contraption much like an over sized caliper to measure the door and the Rover--it fits. I am planning a trip to Alaska, and not wanting to do the whole trip at Series Rover speed I am going to use the AMHS Ferry. The Rover's height causes a substantial surcharge to be levied. Todd 82 88" S3 _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:58:03 -0500 From: Jocelyn Saitta Subject: Seats I need some help selling two front seats and 2 jump seats from a Land rover discovery 2000. My husband originally bought them for a VW Crewcab project but he died of cancer before that was finished. I can't afford to live here in San Jose and am having to move in a few months and I have to get rid of this stuff. Does anyone have any suggestions other than ebay or craig's list? The seats are in good shape with complete electrical harness and seat belts. He paid $2,000 for them which I think was probably nuts, I am asking $500. I don't even know if this is a reasonable price. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:58:25 -0500 From: "Shane Ballensky" Subject: RE: the NEW Range rover family car [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 18 lines filtered. ] that should do wonders for the new RR sport appeal. minivan suv minivan suv minivan suv minivan suv minivan suv minivan suv minivan suv minivan suv ahh can't decide? Now you can have both with the press of a button! Instantly transform your new RR sport into the classic kid hauler! Instantly transform your trailer park limo into a super pimp ride. Just press the button and the blue ford emblems flips over to reveal the green land rover oval... AND adds 50 hp at the same time! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:05:01 -0500 From: "GrannyP" Subject: 7.50R16 Dunlop Radial Rover RT "Dave G." wrote: > "..... Dunlop Radial Rover RT 7.50R16...." > > Are they still available Gran? After going through 4 sets of them the last > 5-6 years, the last time I tried to get some the Dunlop site didn't list > 7.50-16. Maybe it was a temporary thing and they're back now, I don't know. Apparently, they are. Tire Rack's website doesn't list them but Dunlop's does. See http://www.dunloptire.com/dunlop/display_tire.jsp?prodline=Radial+Rover+RT&mrktarea=Light+Truck Cheers, Granny ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:19:19 -0500 From: enrique gomez Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1526 [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 31 lines filtered. ] Hello all, I met a few of you at last year's "Mendo Not a Rally" event and have since purchased a '62 series IIA Regular from Peter Whitbeck, whom I believe was a member of this list. At any rate, I'm stripping it down and doing a ground up restoration and have a couple of questions and or request for suggestions: The engine is about 100K and hasn't run in ten years, Peter told me that it ran, but smoked at start up. I'd like to have rebuilt by Michael Green at west coast british or shuold I buy one outright from British Pacific for about $2,900 minus core exchange (500). Has anyone purchased one from them and if so, how is it doing? I'm having the chassis powder coated as well as the body, in D90 yellow. any pros or cons? How feasible is it to find and install an overdrive. Is it worth the trouble? Any other suggestion or comments would be appreciated. Enrique P.S. I'm looking forward to my second Mendo. Disco I "Mendo_Recce digest:" wrote: Mendo_Recce digest: Tuesday, January 18 2005 Volume 02 : Number 1526 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:54:46 -0500 From: joe mulqueen Subject: Re:Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1524 (tires) Yes, I still have two wheel sets! The Michelin XPS Rib tires (think UPS tires) are for extended highway driving. 235/85-16. Even though extremely heavy (steel sidewall belts), they spin much quicker and faster than my BFG MT/KM. The BFGs are currently on the truck, but if I was driving I5 in the middle of summer heat I'd definitely use the highway tires. Re. tread styles, If I could've afforded 'em, I would have bought Goodyear Wrangler MTR's. Tread face is a modern compromise between an AT and MT tire with a very usefull sidewall tread. Not having any sidewall tread is the primary weakness of the older style MT tires like Cooper/Futura/Dunlop, IMHO. And re. mud tires, I remember buying mine at the Novato CostCo specifically for the Sherwood Road "Reverse Mud Run". During the NCRC event a few months prior (my first time), I used Michelin XL? mudders borrowed from Nick Baggarly. He was very cool about the loan but after the trip I wanted my very own mud tires! I still think about that down here in San Diego... Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 00:39:37 -0500 From: Paul Archibald Subject: Re:Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1524 (tires) interesting! I am looking at tires for replacement for a few rigs. and the stt looks pretty good. i need to check on pricing now! as looking at the futura's from pep-boyz? any comments? disco-web guys loved them four years ago...am a little outa touch, so comments?? > My dilemma is that these no name, semi traction tires > that the S3 came with > are very nearly new, and I hate to just send them to the > dump. don't!!!get a second st of rims, and put on a set of wht you want! I remember talking to Joe M about this a few years ago when he wanted mud tires and to be able to drive teh series from LA to San Jose or Rhonert Park! I reminded him that wheeles are cheep and to have two sets, one for looong drives and one for off-road! I try to do that, but than again wore out my dunlop radial rover 2555-85's commuting 200 miles...go figure! Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 01:55:54 -0500 From: "Daniel E. Smith" Subject: Tires Again....Not Avons, but close Looking for something that says "Rover"? Check these out... http://www.greenball.com/tires/traction.htm# http://www.lassa.com.tr/english/products/van_light/ok-144.html http://www.lassa.com.tr/english/products/van_light/lta.html http://www.mrf-exports.com/product_details.asp?c=18&s=14&p=51 http://www.gearworksmfg.com/pages/516505/ Daniel __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 02:01:35 -0500 From: "Kevin Kelly" Subject: P38 at Mendo Scott wrote: > Hello everyone. I've been lurking on this email list for several weeks > now, but figure I should raise my hand and be introduced. > My only worry is that this seems to be primarily close-knit group of > Series owners. I drive a cushy '95 P38a...not sure if I will be scoffed at > or not. But in my defense, I grew up in my Dad's Series IIa 88 and his > 109. I spent many, many miles crammed into the back of the 88, and many, > many hours broken down in the middle of nowhere, helping him fix it! But > it was fun. Then Ben wrote: > I would make a guess at 1/3 Series and 1/3 D90/D110 > and 1/3 Disco & Range Rover. But that could vary wildly. It sounds like Scott will fit in fine. I just looked at a photo I took at Mendo a few years ago and counted 3 Range Rovers, 3 Series Land Rovers, 6 Discos, 3 Defenders and a 101 FC. I plan to make it to Mendo this year in the 1998 Range Rover HSE. Kevin P.S. I just drove back from Tahoe tonight and if the Mendocino National Forest got as much snow as the Tahoe Basin we might not be able to make it up to Cedar Camp in April unless we take snowmobiles... - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 02:40:32 -0500 From: Paul Archibald Subject: Re: Tires Again....Not Avons, but close first one is a clone of old goodyear extra-grip militart tires! I miss them! and I like the others too! anyone in Califoenia selling any of these? Paul(in need of tires soon, but need 255-85-16 not 7.5x16 would take 9x16 if abailable!!) - - --- "Daniel E. Smith" wrote: > > Looking for something that says "Rover"? > > Check these out... > > http://www.greenball.com/tires/traction.htm# > > http://www.lassa.com.tr/english/products/van_light/ok-144.html > > http://www.lassa.com.tr/english/products/van_light/lta.html > > http://www.mrf-exports.com/product_details.asp?c=18&s=14&p=51 > > http://www.gearworksmfg.com/pages/516505/ > > Daniel > > > > > __________________________________ [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 03:28:53 -0500 From: charles irvin Subject: Re:Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1524 (tires) I thinketh that Mo Patrykus is running the Futuras on his rig...or he was...or he was looking into it once...MO! YOU OUT THERE MO!?!?!?!? PUT THE BABY DOWN FOR A MINUTE & PICK UP THE KEYBOARD!!!!!!! :) Charles - - -----Original message----- From: Paul Archibald androbus@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 21:39:39 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re:Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1524 (tires) > > interesting! I am looking at tires for replacement for a > few rigs. and the stt looks pretty good. i need to check on > pricing now! as looking at the futura's from pep-boyz? any > comments? disco-web guys loved them four years ago...am a > little outa touch, so comments?? > > ..after all I will most likely be selling Elgie with new > tires instead of the slick 235-75-15-s that came with [ 41 additional quoted lines pruned. ] - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 03:45:25 -0500 From: charles irvin Subject: More om Mojave Road... Folks, during my travels of the last 1 1/2 days, I wandered into the Mojave River Valley Museum (this is the place in Barstow that I was trying to remember, although it isn't painted red anymore...now it's "county beige" - but there is still remnants of red paint on their sign!) Anyway, I asked the curator-for-the-day what the story is on the BLM closures, and the gist of it is that, the tree-huggers basically want to remove all traces of human presence from the desert, and this includes any & all historic places, dwellings, locations, etc.!!!!! The desert tortoise is their most recent argument in achieving this goal. There were, until recently, 4 cattle ranchers that still had herds on land that they owned out there: 3 have been bought out, and the 4th refuses to sell. Many buildings have been burnt to the ground at the ranches that were bought - along with other locations in the desert as well, rather than have them moved to, say, Goffs. (dunno about the burning down part - that's what I was told) As for Mojave Road: the general consensus is that, no matter what happens, nobody f*#%s with Mojave Road - and those were his words. (I guess Mr. Casebier is making progress) He did say that a few folks were on it last week, and it was pretty darn muddy - and a fellow by the name of William Venner wandered in at about this time, and mentioned that the river crossings were all flooded - as was the rest of the Mojave River last week! (I saw evidence of this as I drove into town - never seen so much water in that thing!) Oh - that Venner fellow...interesting man: was a combat engineer in the 7th Army at "The Bulge", as well as Northern Africa, and he trained at two of the Desert Training Center camps out there, as well, and his son even did a biography about him - and he walks over to a shelf, grabs a copy, and starts showing it to me! Very cool guy. BTW - Dennis Casebier will be at the MRVM this coming weekend, doing amongst other things, a book signing. Only drawback to living in Visalia now - I don't get to spend as much time in the desert as I used to...:( Charles - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 03:49:12 -0500 From: charles irvin Subject: Re: Tires Again.... OR... ...it could have been sheer luck! Then again, I do have a way with machines...I can cutdown 2" fauxwood plantation blinds faster than anybody else at the store, too - and I haven't been working there as long as everybody else has! Not bad for a former airline employee/truck driver/ AC-130 driver (almost)... === message truncated === --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' From bens Wed Jan 19 13:44:25 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0JIiPVY012488 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:44:25 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0JIiPCw012487 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:44:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:44:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200501191844.j0JIiPHU012483@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: tire talk-->235s on a RRC Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200501191828.j0JIS6SD011813@coriana6.fourfold.org>you wrote: > I met a guy > in Oregon who was running 265/75s on a lifted RRC, who also said he would > probably go to 245/75s next time. I run 265/75R16s BFG MTs on a stock Disco I from time to time. Other than needing a bunch of trimming of the rear quarter panels to prevent the tire from tearing the panels, I don't find them too bad. Louder, but not squirrelier. I'd say that the 265s are one size too large unless you don't mind using the sawzall on the panels. For day to day when the Michelins wore out I moved to a BFG AT tire. I think it is a 245/70, but I don't recall--it was one size larger than stock. I used the same 265/75s on my SIII and liked the size on that. Ben From bens Wed Jan 19 13:49:26 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0JInQVY012693 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:49:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0JInQs6012692 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:49:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:49:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200501191849.j0JInQH3012688@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Powder coating chassis Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This sounds like a bad idea. When the powder coating gets chipped, won't moisture seep underneath and cause corrosion? Also, will the powder coating coat the inside of the frame too? Galvanizing is probably a better option, or, if you have time to look around, buy a galvanized frame from someone else's failed restoration project. You could always paint the galvanized frame yellow. Joe __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From bens Wed Jan 19 14:02:19 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0JJ2JVY013301 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:02:19 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0JJ2JUh013300 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:02:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:02:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200501191902.j0JJ2JNv013296@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Blair Peterson" To: Subject: new Coopers, frames, engines. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey HiPine Dave-- The Cooper S/T-C is not the same as the old CTD, definitely different tread. It was on my short list for the 110 to replace my worn-out and discontinued CTDs. Enrique-- I'd galvan the chassis if you are up for it. As for powder coating it Defender yellow... beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Charles mentioned rebuilt motors from BritPac-- well, they are currently rebuilding (for sale to public) the 2.25 that came out of my 109. It is a good rebuild candidate-- was the orig motor on the 2-owner truck ('66-- the head had never even been off!). No problems, just 100k miles, worn valve seals/guides, dropping compression and was starting to burn oil. See if they have it in stock yet-- could keep the DNA within Mendo_Recce. 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Thank you. -------------------------------------------------------- From bens Wed Jan 19 17:26:48 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0JMQlVY021920 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:26:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0JMQlJ6021919 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:26:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:26:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200501192226.j0JMQldB021915@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: hipine@att.net To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: new Coopers, frames, engines. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html ] [ 17 lines filtered. ] "....Hey HiPine Dave-- The Cooper S/T-C is not the same as the old CTD, definitely different tread......" I must be flaking out then. At any rate, the tread pictured in the Cooper link sent is the pattern that was on the 255-85s I ran on the G for a little under a year. That was the one that wore just as quick as the Dunlops and didn't grip as well in the situations I exposed them to. I guess the actual name that Cooper had on them at the time has escaped me. :^( -Dave G. From bens Wed Jan 19 18:13:09 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0JND9VY023895 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:13:09 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0JND9HF023894 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:13:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:13:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200501192313.j0JND8Tg023890@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: Mendo Subject: test Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org test From bens Wed Jan 19 18:26:11 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0JNQBVY024501 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:26:11 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0JNQBUZ024500 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:26:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:26:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200501192326.j0JNQB3M024496@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: hipine@att.net To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: handling [was tire talk] Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html ] [ 31 lines filtered. ] First from Gran: ......I am currently running the wonderful but NLA BFG Trac Edges in size 215/85R16 on my RRC with a 2" lift (RoverTym springs). It's squirrelly as hell, with (I think) reasonably tight and sound bushings ...." And Ben chimes in: ".....I run 265/75R16s BFG MTs on a stock Disco I from time to time. .....Louder, but not squirrelier...." I can throw in my own experience with 215/85 Bridgestone Revo A/Ts on Cheryl's '92 with stock suspension (Bilstein shocks) and tight swivel pins - it handled beautifully with no ill effects over bumps or in corners on the highway. Seeing a pattern here? It's not the tires (or their size) that cause bad handling. It's the spring lift people put on to FIT the large tires that is a major culprit in bad handling. Take for granted that you need to keep components like bushings and swivel bearings in good nick. A spring lift removes one degree of caster for every half inch of lift applied on a LR coiler (given that you don't replace the radius arms with bent ones or lower the chassis mounts). Caster is the component of suspension geometry that lets the road exert a stabilizing and self-centering force on the steering. I don't know how much caster is built into stock coiler suspension, but rest assured if you remove 4 degrees with a 2" lift you make a SIGNIFICANT impact on the way the manufacturer intended the steering to work. To some extent larger tires or wheels with less backspacing can help to offset caster reduction by adding back some of the resistance forces that the road can exert on the steering. Part of the reason for this is that it's not just purely the caster angle that results in the stabilizing, self centering aspects. It's actually a thing that motorcyclists and bicyclists are more familiar with than are automobile drivers. Its "trail" or the distance that the center of the tire contact patch is behind the point where the swivel pin axis strikes the ground. More trail = more self centering and more steering stability. More caster angle = more trail for a given tire size (outside diameter). Remove trail by removing caster angle and the steering gets squirly due to the reduction of stabilizing forces exerted by the road. So I guess we get around to a different use of a common message thread here recently..."Hidden Costs of Tall Rovers". Jacking up your suspension with a spring lift will cost you in terms of handling. When that becomes "objectionable" is of course a matter of personal opinion, but it's always there. It's a simple matter of geometry. As mentioned earlier the geometry can be corrected in a number of ways. One of the easier bolt-on solutions is the caster-corrected radius arm offered by some. Bolt on a set of those, Gran, and you can have your cake and eat it too. All your off road clearance and nice tires, with the nice old on-road handling that you had with the stock setup. Don't discount the effect of swivel pin preload either though. If you haven't adjutsted it in the past 20k miles, it ain't what it oughta be. But more directly to the tire discussion - don't be worried about tire size effecting steering stability. Be worried if you install a large spring lift. Another point of info - I used an OME MD spring kit to put 7.50-16s on my '98 Disco (gave about an inch of lift) and whether it was the incerased tire diameter adding back the trail that the caster had lost, I don't know, but that truck handled fine in that configuration. Again, only my personal opinion of the ride quality. -Dave G. From bens Wed Jan 19 18:50:12 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0JNoCVY025485 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:50:12 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0JNoCB6025484 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:50:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:50:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200501192350.j0JNoBTG025480@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "FoothillsSIII" To: Subject: Re:Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1527 (Tall Rovers) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Frank, You read correctly, the Alaska ferry: Bellingham to Seward. I do not know if the height charge is new, but it was an element in the pricing when I checked the fare. They price the vehicle by length (multiple tiers), height (under or over 6 feet), and by whether or not the it is attended by a driver. All, Since it reads like some of you have used these ferries before, do any of you have any information on a Portland to Seward ferry. My family lived in Alaska for years, moving when I was due to enter the scene, and they speak of service from Portland; but I can find no information. I am all too aware that they are talking about "a time long ago and far away", but the fewer plain old highway miles the better. Todd 82 88" S3 "I must have misread. I thought he meant the Alaska ferry. (The Candian ferries don't go to Alaska). Frank" _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com From bens Wed Jan 19 19:04:12 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0K04BVY025999 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:04:11 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0K04BYG025998 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:04:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:04:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200501200004.j0K04B9J025994@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: jarrod wyrick To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: handling [was tire talk] Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Okay. So is it safer to change the caster via the swivel ball housing or the radius arms? I forget where I saw them, but someone was selling swivel ball housing the fixed this issue. I guess that they were a few degrees different than stock. The housing might be the way to go because it will not change the angle of the drive shaft. -Jarrod On Jan 19, 2005, at 3:26 PM, hipine@att.net wrote: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html ] > [ 31 lines filtered. ] > > > First from Gran: > ......I am currently running the wonderful but NLA BFG Trac Edges in > size 215/85R16 on my RRC with a 2" lift (RoverTym springs). It's [ 65 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jan 19 19:52:16 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0K0qGVY028013 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:52:16 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0K0qGaI028012 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:52:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:52:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200501200052.j0K0qFfa028008@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Chris De Jesus" To: Subject: Re: handling [was tire talk] Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If you lift your vehicle you are going to alter the drive shaft angle from the TC to the axles as well as your caster angle. If you just change the swivel ball housings to correct the caster you still might experience vibrations from the drive line. I personally would not want to take on changing out swivel housings. Replacing you radius arms with ones that compensate for the lift will bring your caster back to "normal" and reduce the change in your drive line angle somewhat. And I think aftermarket the radius arms are beefier than the stock ones. JMHO, Chris D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jarrod wyrick" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 4:04 PM Subject: Re: handling [was tire talk] > > Okay. So is it safer to change the caster via the swivel ball housing > or the radius arms? I forget where I saw them, but someone was selling > swivel ball housing the fixed this issue. I guess that they were a few > degrees different than stock. The housing might be the way to go > because it will not change the angle of the drive shaft. > -Jarrod > On Jan 19, 2005, at 3:26 PM, hipine@att.net wrote: > [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jan 19 20:27:18 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0K1RIVY029475 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:27:18 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0K1RIGH029474 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:27:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:27:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200501200127.j0K1RHDi029470@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "GrannyP" To: Subject: Re: handling [was tire talk] Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Chris DeJ wrote: > the change in your drive line angle somewhat. And I think aftermarket the > radius arms are beefier than the stock ones. Typically, they are also "bent" to give better ground clearance, as well, to keep from, uh... getting bent. Thanks, Dave G for your discourse on the effects of lifting. Quite right. I have been considering aftermarket (RoverTym) control arms; mostly just budget delays that probably inevitible purchase. However, I should have said that Ziggy was pretty ziggy with the 215/85 tires, before I lifted it. In fact, it was somewhat "delifted" (lowered) by the weight of my winch, brushbar, diff guard, and RTE tie rods that added over 250 lbs ahead of the front axle. That was part of why I lifted it, together with the loads I carry and, of course, the quest for more ground clearance, even with the tires I have (which caused no clearance issues that required a lift). I get a little tired of banging up the bodywork so easily. Granny From bens Wed Jan 19 22:40:26 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0K3eQVY002640 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:40:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0K3eQwe002639 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:40:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:40:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200501200340.j0K3eMe0002610@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: enrique gomez To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1528 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 29 lines filtered. ] Joe, Blair, I meant, the frame and axles black and body in D90 yellow. But you're right, galvanizing is probably better in the long run. l'l ask Keith at BP about you're old motor. Enrique "Mendo_Recce digest:" wrote: Mendo_Recce digest: Wednesday, January 19 2005 Volume 02 : Number 1528 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:53:43 -0500 From: charles irvin Subject: Re: tire talk-->Rusty's new shoes Hi Jarrod, Oh - geez...this truck does have the OME MEDIUM spring kit, and OME shocks, and I guess it's because of the combination of the kit & taller tires - and what appears to be a weak R.H. rear shock - it's all over the road! Steering is VERY touchy, and that's partly why I want to go to slightly shorter tires. I'm actually afraid of it after having driven my F350 for a week & then climbing into the Rangie. I have to get used to it all over again, and it seems that it feels worse each time - but that could just be me. The tires themselves DO have really good traction, however, but the truck wanders everywhere, as if suspension bushings were shot, but they're in good shape so I know it's not that. I dunno where salespeople get the idea, but a lifted Rangie with tall tires & medium springs sucks! 'Ya gotta go with the heavies because lift kit & taller tires = more leaning = more sidewall flexing = softer handling. Anybody that's ever REALLY been into sportscars knows this, and it ain't fuzzy math. My old Rangie had the heavy springs/OME shocks, and it handled on pavement like a sportscar - though I was running 225/75's on it. Granted, the softer setup m a y have slightly better articulation off-road, but so far I haven't noticed any difference between the two in that area. Also, so far this is my second coiler that's had OME shocks: anybody that knows me knows that I'm not particularly rough when off/on-roading, yet the OME shocks seem to fail too often for my liking. matt had this truck for 2 years, has hardly done any off-roading with it, yet the R.H. rear shock is bad. My own Rangie went through 2 sets in two years, and I did what - two Mendos in that time with that truck, and one Big Bear trip??? I think this time I'm dumping money into Bilstien's, Koni's or Ranchos, but OME isn't what they used to be. Oh - the Series rigs? They're still running stock shocks, though I prefer the heavier diesel springs, or the military springs. I like Parobolics, but so far they're still a bit soft for my liking. Charles - -----Original message----- From: jarrod wyrick jarrodwyrick@mac.com Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:03:48 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: tire talk-->Rusty's new shoes > > Hi Charles, > I just had a set of 235/85s BFG MTs installed on my RRC. I noticed that > after I put them on the RRC seem to wonder a lot in the lane at freeway > speeds. It does have a OME lift, but it did not seem to be as bad with > my old stock size tires. How does you RRC handle at freeway speeds with > the 235s that you have. > > Thanks for the info, [ 14 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:00:21 -0500 From: charles irvin Subject: Re: tire talk-->Rusty's new shoes Matt, It should be noted that the only major difference between bias & radials, is the ride, and handling on wet pavement. Series rigs were originaly fitted with bias ply's because that's what was available at the time (radials weren't around yet). They're allegedly longer wearing, but I've had both, and it's still up in the air to me. All I know, is that bias ply's are cheaper! I recently found a place in Tulare that had a bias off-road tire in 7.50x16 (well, back when I got the Mud Rovers for the SW), and they were something like $40.00 each. :) Charles - -----Original message----- From: "Matt W" rvrfish@cox.net Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:02:49 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: tire talk-->Rusty's new shoes > > Well it does look like I started something... Now I'm really confused. I > like the look of the Bias ply tires (Thanks Daniel) but I think I better > stay with the Radials. > 'I'm pretty sold on these cooper tires > http://www.coopertire.com/us/en/ProductDetails.asp?ProdType=LtTruck&id=3&title=Light+Truck+Tires > the discoverer S/T-C in the 235/85 R16 > > O well first purchase is the new rear drive shaft, "the bank" My wife say's [ 24 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:08:11 -0500 From: "Chris De Jesus" Subject: Re: Tires and now wheels Josh, I don't recall the backspacing of the stock DI wheels, but I am running Goodyear AT/S 245/75-16s on my stock rims with a stock automatic tranny. The fronts rub a little at full lock and the rears catch the rear lip of the wheelwell at full stuff (have to do some trimming). I am running a 1" lift from Northwestparts. You will probably have to do some trimming of the rear wheelwells and adjust your front stops. Good luck, Chris D. Mudy_ovl - ----- Original Message ----- From: "joshua fischer" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 7:21 PM Subject: RE: Tires and now wheels > > Hello all, > Does anybody happen to know the offset/backspacing on stock D1 wheels or on > the Wolfe wheels? > I am trying to figure out what to run on my D1 when I get my Rovertym 3" > lift all set-up. I am a little leary about running 235/85-16's with my > stock ratio. I have a 5spd. and will probably never get it into 5th gear! > Does anybody run 245/75-16's with a stock ratio? Are they a little smaller > diameter or will it make much difference? Also, I have seen some people run > 33X12.50-16's or > 31X10.50-16's? I ran 31X10.50-15's on my series for about 5 years and only > broke 2 axles! Both on Highway 101! Any info will be a great help. Thank > you all in advance for all of the input. > > Regards, > Josh Fischer > 1997 D1 SD 5spd. > jfischer160@hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:11:15 -0500 From: "Eric Johnson" Subject: Re: Engine rebuilds I've got an early version of a Robert Davis 3.0L . I has a 78 Chevy Monza non-crossflow head and the 3.0 Mercruiser block. The cam is a stock Comp Cam out of their catalogue, If I had known that at the time, I would have had Bob Gromm at Gromm Racing Heads come up with a custom cam, as he did for my 3.9. He sends the specs to Iskidarian Cams, where they machine it for about $150. At any rate, the Davis MK. I, put out 126 ft/lbs torque and 65 h.p. at the rear wheels on the dyno at Mustang Ranch in Santa Clara. If you add a percentage back in for mechanical loss, the numbers exceed the 2.25 considerably. I went over Donner Pass in 4th, with the Ashcroft transfer case, in a fully loaded 88". No downshift. Temperature never exceeded 190, over a Labor Day weekend. I usually cruise the freeways between 65 -70, and got it up to above 90 just to see. It still had a bit more left. At that speed, 65-70, I get 15 MPG. Robert's latest 3.0L, no longer uses a Merc block. He get GM 2.5L crossflow then bores it and I think strokes it. He claims around 180 ft/lbs torque and 180 h.p., that's probably at the engine. But better than my MK. I. He also runs them in for awhile so there are no issues when you start it. However, (and you knew there was going to be a "however"), the engine is not without "issues". The low end torque is not as low as I would prefer. This may be due to the fact that I have a Clifford Intake Manifold and header on the monza head. The intake was designed for circle track racing, midget class I think. so the runners are large. In addition, I had to shorten the runner length so it would fit between the head and steering box. I cut out 1" of length. The header had to be modified to clear the frame and exit at the proper position. I intend to go back to the stock intake and exhaust and see if that improves low end performance. the 32/36 Weber is sync-linked instead of progressive opening. Also possibly due to the racing intake. I thought milage would be better than 15, but again, the carb. is synch-linked. and driving at 65+ in a Rover doesn't help. Another problem is vibration. A 3.0L in a boat may be acceptable, but in a car, well....probably why most straight 4 cyls are 2.5L max. And now most have a counter-balancing shaft. Maybe the GM 2.5/3.0 is a smoother engine, I hope so. There is an rpm range, 1800-2200, that's not good. Just the nature of the engine. Anyway, enough spewage for now. >>> rvrfish@cox.net 01/18/05 07:53PM >>> [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 32 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" I rebuilt Rusty's engine about three years ago(Wow its been that long!) = if I had to do it over again I would look at an engine swap. I'm not = sure the SMB 350 is the answer, I like the Merc Cruiser. I will be = coming to mendo so if you want you can drive Rusty and see what its = like, it might help you make a decision. Of course if you have already made up your mind, good luck ! and ask = questions this list sure has helped me out over the last five years. Wow = five years of series ownership and I'm still a nubi. My best, Matt W ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:23:48 -0500 From: jarrod wyrick Subject: Re: tire talk-->235s on a RRC Charles, Thanks for the information. I am running HD springs front and back with Bilstiens on all corners. The Bilstiens might be getting old, but rebound feels okay. I still have the sway bars on so this RRC does not lean at all in the corners. It drove great with the 205s that came on the truck, but adding the hight of the 235s has proven to be a challenge. I will see if fixing that caster will solve this. It should bring back some of the neutral steering feel. - -Jarrod BTW- the 235s are E-rated, so they have a very stiff side-wall. On Jan 19, 2005, at 8:53 AM, charles irvin wrote: > > Hi Jarrod, > > Oh - geez...this truck does have the OME MEDIUM spring kit, and OME > shocks, and I guess it's because of the combination of the kit & > taller tires - and what appears to be a weak R.H. rear shock - it's > all over the road! Steering is VERY touchy, and that's partly why I > want to go to slightly shorter tires. I'm actually afraid of it after > having driven my F350 for a week & then climbing into the Rangie. I [ 55 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:49:31 -0500 From: "Mark Pilkington" Subject: Re: tire talk-->235s on a RRC I have 265's on Standard RRC Wheels. It has a 2" Lift and nothing ever touches and nothing is cut and they handle very well on the road and very well offroad. They are Yokahama's Kind regards, Mark - ----- Original Message ----- From: "jarrod wyrick" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 9:23 AM Subject: Re: tire talk-->235s on a RRC > > Charles, > Thanks for the information. > > I am running HD springs front and back with Bilstiens on all corners. > The Bilstiens might be getting old, but rebound feels okay. I still > have the sway bars on so this RRC does not lean at all in the corners. > It drove great with the 205s that came on the truck, but adding the > hight of the 235s has proven to be a challenge. [ 23 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:28:06 -0500 From: "GrannyP" Subject: Re: tire talk-->235s on a RRC Josh, Take a look at the extensive discussion of these issues on John Brabyn's tire/wheel link http://www.rangerovers.net/outfitting/tires/classictires.html#large Although the clearance issues are slightly different for Discovery Series I and Range Rover Classic, the handling issues are similar. John switched from 215/85 to 245/75, finding, as others have, that the very narrow, high-profile tires (with their slower transient response) tend to result in squirmier handling than do the wider, lower profile tires. See also the article about the need for wider track on lifted vehicles, for stability, at http://www.expeditionswest.com/research/white_papers/tire_selection.html I am currently running the wonderful but NLA BFG Trac Edges in size 215/85R16 on my RRC with a 2" lift (RoverTym springs). It's squirrelly as hell, with (I think) reasonably tight and sound bushings (mostly poly) and shocks (Bilsteins). I'd love to graduate to 235/85 tires next time around but am thinking that I may go to 245/85 instead. I can always use more ground clearance, which makes the 235/85s attractive (Hell! I'd love to go to 255/85!) but I need better on-road stability and am afraid of the taller gearing effect (and drivetrain strain with my 10-spline axles and LSDs) I'd get with taller tires. It's none too powerful now. I remember talking to someone who was running 235/85s on a Disco I with stock gearing, who said he was planning to go to 245/75 next time around, for that reason. I met a guy in Oregon who was running 265/75s on a lifted RRC, who also said he would probably go to 245/75s next time. One thing nice about the 245/75 size is that some makes are actually available in Load Range C, rather then E! That's got to make for a softer ride. I believe that this is true of the Firestone Destination MT tires that John Brabyn just put on his RR Mk II. One more comment on clearance vs. size issues: This varies from brand to brand and according to tread style. MTs with very gnarly shoulder lugs may have more clearance issues than do milder AT treads. Mark's comments reminded me about this. I just personally inspected his vehicle and was amazed to see no evidence of any wheel well trimming with those huge tires of his! However, that tire (Yokohama Geolander MT--also available in load range C) seems to me to have a fairly rounded profile and that may be part of the story. Granny ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:36:44 -0500 From: enrique gomez Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1527 [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 44 lines filtered. ] Mehdi, Thanks for the info about BCB, I'm still a newbie, so could you please tell what the acronym stands for. and if you have a minute, tell me about your own set up. I remember being pretty surprised last year on the way to Mendo, you were cruising at 85mph in your "O'l 109". Are you and the family going up this year? My son Sebastian had a really good time with Ariana and Arman. Ted, MAAS Powder Coating in Livermore quoted me $600.00 for the chassis alone> i'm thinking of doing the axles, wheels and other small stuff. Approx. $1,500.00 Charles, Could you please tell a bit more about the Mercruiser engine. Is it a modified Land Rover engine or a totally different one. Thanks for all your responses. Enriqu "Mendo_Recce digest:" wrote: Mendo_Recce digest: Wednesday, January 19 2005 Volume 02 : Number 1527 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:49:01 -0500 From: "Mehdi Saghafi" Subject: the NEW Range rover family car A bit cheaper, but still a Range rover. Thank you Ford. http://images.businessweek.com/db/05/01/auto07.htm - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:48:10 -0500 From: "mpatrykus" Subject: RE: Futuras Actually Charles I was close to buying them last year- Pep Boys had them on sale for like 45 bucks each or something. But I still have some life left in the Firestones and really should put the Rover funds into other things, like a new gearbox. As for my silence on the list, I have been really busy with Paramedic school (which was finished in November), the baby (thanks everyone for the kind wishes), the Holidays (just took the house lights down last week). I will continue to be scarce here- in thirty days I start the Ventura County Fire Department drill academy. Eighteen weeks of blood, sweat and tears. Mo Patrykus (Whose 109 has been sitting patiently in the garage since August with the gearbox half out) - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:01:37 -0500 From: Tom Gross Subject: RE: Mojave and tortoise As Jimi said, "You can't always believe everything you see and hear - can you?". So, I might be completely wrong, but I did work for the U.S. Forest Service for 12 years, and on real cattle ranches as the hired hand (not hobby ranches). Most, if not all, ranches on the public land, USFS and BLM, have what is called commensurate property, which might be anywhere from 40 acres to 640 or even more. Often these properties are not in one chunk but are the commensurate property of former ranches that have been bought out over the years by the same person or corporate entity. Some ranches that border public land are truly huge, though, and have lots of private property, but they aren't usually completely surrounded by the forest or BLM, although some are. As far as I know the ranches on the Mojave preserve were smaller properties that had large grazing permits. In order to have a grazing permit, a rancher has to have the commensurate property. Hence the name "commensurate". Grazing permits aren't supposed to have intrinsic value, but that is not the case in the real world. They acquire value because they, in effect, come with the property. The agency, USFS or BLM, can choose not to renew a grazing permit. This is hardly ever done. I knew one case where the permit land (your land) was so overgrazed, and there were so many trespass cattle, and it was so neglected that the cattle were removed and the permit revoked. What has happened in the Mojave is that the commensurate property was bought, and then the grazing permit was retired. Why did this happen? It was an assault on a grand, wonderful, traditional life style - well not really. Maybe these ranches, which seemed to be owned by people that did not live there, and were run by hired (illegal immigrant, perhaps) help, couldn't make any money, and the guvmint or some "enviro-nazi" organization presented them with an offer they couldn't refuse. If the ranch on Cima Dome was any indication, a buyout and retiring the permit was the best thing that could have happened. Every time I've been there I couldn't figure out what the cattle were eating. It was so beat out, and the facilities (fences, waterlines) were so deteriorated and useless, that I'm sure it was a race to see if the cattle would starve before they could get sold. They seemed to survive mainly on prickly pear and supplement or hay that was trucked in to the corrals scattered along the old broken waterlines. They probably had to truck the water, too. So, the cattle eat grass, and they pretty much ate all of it. Guess what else eats grass. The Desert Tortoise. So, I think it's stupid to target vehicle travel as a tortoise threat while the tortoise food is and was being eaten by cows. Since the cows are going away, maybe the loss due to idiots in vehicles wouldn't be too much to bear. This might be an argument to present to the powers that be. I can't speak for the ravens or crows, though. I know that West Nile Virus wiped them out around here last summer, but they're back. Tom - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:40:40 -0500 From: "Blair Peterson" Subject: tire talk-->Rusty's new shoes I've enjoyed the tire talk that Matt started with his questions about what to fit on Rusty. Granny, John Brabyn and I have occassionally had detailed off-line threads on tires over the years-- figuring it was too nerdy to discuss in public. Ha, I see there are more tire nerds on Mendo than I thought. The links that Daniel provided are pretty cool (one of them showed what looked like a Michelin XZL radial knockoff, except with sipes on the lugs!). I'm in the camp that likes the 7.50R16 size for a series truck but I too have experienced they are getting harder and === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bens Wed Jan 19 23:20:39 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0K4KdVY004281 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:20:39 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0K4Kdt5004280 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:20:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:20:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200501200420.j0K4KdDH004276@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Dave G." To: Subject: Re: handling [was tire talk] Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...Okay. So is it safer to change the caster via the swivel ball housing ..." Safer? I don't think either aproach is particularly "safer" than the other. As far as the u-joint agles involved are concerned, I guess the answer is "it depends". If you want to keep the factory front driveshaft, then the bent radius arms are probably the best bet because they'll preserve the relative angle between the transfer case output flange and the axle input flange that was intended by the engineers under "curb" conditions - where most driving occurrs. Changing the swivel balls (not a big deal to do BTW) corrects the caster, but leaves the flanges in a relationship that's not as good for the stock driveshaft. You can sometimes improve vibration characteristics by pulling the splines of the sliding joint apart and re-assembling one spline off. This changes U-joint phasing which can help mitigate vibes induced by "less than parallel" flanges. It's why the front DS U-joints are out of phase from the factory - to compensate for the fact that the axle flange is not parallel to the t-case one. Notice the rear drive shaft u-joints are in line since the rear axle flange is designed to be parallel to the t-case flange when the suspension is in neutral conditions. If you're wanting to go to a double-cardan (called "CV") joint at the transfer case end of the drive shaft, you might be better off with the altered swivels to get the u-joint at the axle end of the drive shaft as close as possible to a straight line. And of course, it's always best to replace U-joints when doing a lift since the old joints will have developed a wear pattern from traveling back and forth through the same angle of travel for many miles. When you lift the truck you cause those U-joints to travel through a wider arc with each drive shaft revolution and where the rollers in the cups pass from the old worn area to the un-worn areas at the ends of their travel, you get vibration. Lifts up to an inch or an nch and a half are pretty much no-brainers. You don't change things too much and don't get into trouble. When you want to push into the 2-3 inch range, there's always more than springs to do it right. -Dave G. PS - Charles, you did pick up from the last post that going to smaller tires on the lifted rangie is likely to make your handling problems worse, not better, right? My recommendation is to get in there and rebuild the swivel bearings (every component, top and bottom including the races pressed into the swivel ball). For $100 and an afternoon's work it'll drive like new again, I promise. From bens Wed Jan 19 23:20:58 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0K4KvVY004294 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:20:58 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0K4KvHt004293 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:20:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:20:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200501200420.j0K4KvvT004289@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: handling [was tire talk] Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This is all interesting: I should note that both my experiences with Rangies & lift kits, pertain to '89 Rangies - no swaybars, so the leaning is amplified on the current rig. (it really does feel like it's gonna roll over sometimes, but it doesn't) Current truck: OME medium's (1" lift) and 235/85x16's. My old truck: Land Rover heavies (2" lift) and 245/75x16's. Again, neither truck has swaybars, but the current truck handles awfully, while my old truck handled like a dream. So far as I can tell, no re-alignment has been done to the current truck, and I KNOW that nothing had ever been done to my old truck. (it had the original XPC's on it when I got it) At first I wondered if it was the suspension bushings: the old truck had red poly's on the rear ONLY, and stock on the front, while the current truck has stocks all 'round. Both had the same OME shocks. With the slightly taller tires on this truck, it kinda feels as if it sits the same height as the old truck did, and the only other difference I can tell, is that the old truck had a Bilstien steering damper, while this truck has...something...maybe stock?...(but this one appears as worn out as my Bilstien did) But, the bushings on the current truck feel fine, and there are no abnormal noises. Charles -----Original message----- From: hipine@att.net Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:26:11 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: handling [was tire talk] > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html ] > [ 31 lines filtered. ] > > > First from Gran: > ......I am currently running the wonderful but NLA BFG Trac Edges in size 215/85R16 on my RRC with a 2" lift (RoverTym springs). It's squirrelly as hell, with (I think) reasonably tight and sound bushings ...." > [ 17 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jan 19 23:25:49 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0K4PnVY004498 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:25:49 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0K4Pnvh004497 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:25:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:25:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200501200425.j0K4PnJ2004493@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1527 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Enrique, The Mercruiser conversion is the one that's sold by Rob Davis (? - or is it Bruce Davis?), and it's based on the G.M. "Iron Duke" 4 cylinder (same one that appears in the Chevy Monza, Pontiac Fiero, etc.). I've never had one, but everybody that has one seems to swear by them, so it's gotta be worth looking into if you're thinking about dumping 2-5 grand into a engine - any engine. (then again, for that matter, a Chevy 327 conversion from BCB..........) Dunno what BCB stands for...I'll have to ask Matt & Timm about that some time... Charles -----Original message----- From: enrique gomez engo63@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:36:46 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1527 > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] > [ 44 lines filtered. ] > > Mehdi, > > Thanks for the info about BCB, I'm still a newbie, so could you please tell what the acronym stands for. and if you have a minute, tell me about your own set up. I remember being pretty surprised last year on the way to Mendo, you were cruising at 85mph in your "O'l 109". > Are you and the family going up this year? My son Sebastian had a really good time with Ariana and Arman. [ 526 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jan 19 23:31:47 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0K4VlVY004724 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:31:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0K4Vlsh004723 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:31:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:31:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200501200431.j0K4Vlwr004719@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: handling [was tire talk] Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave, Yes & no: I would be going to shorter, but fatter, tires. At present everything's as tight as can be (I've been under there). Could possibly be E-rated tires, and the "soft" but tall springs??? The tires are wearing evenly, so there isn't any "apparent" castor/camber problem. Though, I do recall a certain Freightliner FLD that O drove for Swift Transport that pulled badly to the right - yet, if you had the steering aligned properly to correct this, the tires would suddenly start wearing at the outer edges! THREE sets of steer tires in three months! Charles > PS - Charles, you did pick up from the last post that going to smaller tires > on the lifted rangie is likely to make your handling problems worse, not > better, right? My recommendation is to get in there and rebuild the swivel > bearings (every component, top and bottom including the races pressed into > the swivel ball). For $100 and an afternoon's work it'll drive like new > again, I promise. > From bens Thu Jan 20 00:04:40 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0K54eVY006914 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:04:40 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0K54egK006913 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:04:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:04:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200501200504.j0K54dv4006909@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: handling [was tire talk] Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org charles, I forget the mileage on the "new" rangie, but I'd suggest just to be sure to do what i did on the lwb. I replaced ALL suspension bushings and the a-arm joint! MAAAN! that was toast! better check y'd be surprised, and am about to now replace all in the steering to remove the play that is there and noticeable when driving over bumps.. so it's still not perfect. and to swap the disconnected sway-bar ends from the disco to the lwb as it has at least one that is bad...I also need to look into the swivels per dave, but honestly am afraid of doing this on her driver right now as the disco has some steering issues...and don't want to leave Elisa w/o a vehicle to get to work... Paul --- charles irvin wrote: > > This is all interesting: I should note that both my > experiences with Rangies & lift kits, pertain to '89 > Rangies - no swaybars, so the leaning is amplified on the > current rig. (it really does feel like it's gonna roll > over sometimes, but it doesn't) > > Current truck: OME medium's (1" lift) and 235/85x16's. > My old truck: Land Rover heavies (2" lift) and [ 45 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jan 20 00:07:16 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0K57GVY007137 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:07:16 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0K57GZ1007136 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:07:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:07:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200501200507.j0K57GvS007132@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1527 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- charles irvin wrote: > > Enrique, > > The Mercruiser conversion is the one that's sold by Rob > Davis (? - or is it Bruce Davis?), and it's based on the > G.M. "Iron Duke" 4 cylinder (same one that appears in the > Chevy Monza, Pontiac Fiero, etc.). I've never had one, > but everybody that has one seems to swear by them, so > it's gotta be worth looking into if you're thinking about [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] and don't forget the forklift version is great too! Hyster used them both the 181 and the 3.0 version(181 is 2.8 litre, and apparently the 3.0 is soightl different if not bumped up in displacement Paul From bens Thu Jan 20 00:34:17 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0K5YGVY009404 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:34:17 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0K5YGTg009403 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:34:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:34:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200501200534.j0K5YGiS009399@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1527 (Tall Rovers) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Todd, I have not heard of the Portland - Alaska ferry. Must have been way before my time. You already have a copy of the Milepost to plan your trip, right? Frank -------------------------- ...Since it reads like some of you have used these ferries before, do any of >you have any information on a Portland to Seward ferry. My family lived in > > > > From bens Thu Jan 20 04:54:14 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0K9sEVY020371 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 04:54:14 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0K9sEmK020370 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 04:54:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 04:54:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200501200954.j0K9sEPb020366@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Powdercoating chassis Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Enrique wrote: > I'm having the chassis powder coated as well as the body, in D90 yellow. any pros or cons? I would advise against it. Any scratch or nick to the coating causes a concentrated corrosive attack (look at the lamp guards for Disco 1s for a typical example). To powder coat (or recoat) requires sand blasting (or soda blasting in the case of aluminum) followed by application of the powder with electrostatic adhesion, and oven curing. Paint can be touched up. A painted body and galvanized or painted frame would be better. > How feasible is it to find and install an overdrive. Is it worth the trouble? Both my Series Rovers have one and it is well worth it if you plan on highway travel. The Santana unit is good, but hard to come by, and I have heard good things about the Roverdrive from wiseowl. About tires - I am using BFG radial AT 235/85 R16s on both trucks. This past September we put over 4K miles on my SIII, taking it all the way up to Lund, B.C and back to LA with no problem from the truck or tires. Conditions ranged from dry pavement at highway speeds to wet & muddy in bad weather, and offroading with rocks. The tires on this truck probably have 60K miles on them and are holding up well. BTW, tomorrow I am going to look at a 1972 RHD SIII 109 with full roof rack, safari roof and LR 3.9 V8 engine I saw for sale near where I live. Karen Sindir From bens Thu Jan 20 09:55:57 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0KEtvVY032643 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:55:57 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0KEtv3V032642 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:55:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:55:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200501201455.j0KEtvDg032638@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: hipine@att.net To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: handling [was tire talk] Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html ] [ 27 lines filtered. ] "...At present everything's as tight as can be (I've been under there)...." Just a reminder (I'm sure you know this Charles, but lots of folks lurk). A full and proper understanding of swivel pin bearing condition requires removal of the half shafts and ball seals and disconnection of the steering linkage. If you haven't been that far, and then checked it with a spring scale, then I 've seen enough of them to know that they need attention. Pre-ABS axles have a better upper bearing design and hold up a little longer between adjustments than do the ABS axles, but most of the stress is on the lower bearing anyway so the pre-ABS folks don't get much of a break. Paul has a great point about the rear A-arm ball joint too. It's another one who's condition is tough to ascertain without removal. If I had a dollar for every time I'd heard, "It seemed fine until I got it out, then..." I'm always sad for people who put up with ill-handling LRs, or vehicles in general. There's really no need. So many ways to have a perfectly capable, enjoyable, and safe vehicle on and off road. -Dave G. -------------- Original message from charles irvin : -------------- From bens Thu Jan 20 10:09:39 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0KF9dVY000604 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:09:39 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0KF9dR8000603 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:09:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:09:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200501201509.j0KF9drc000599@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "William Presley" To: Subject: Re: Tires again... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I haven't read the complete thread - but I use these & they work great on the 109. http://www.tbcprivatebrands.com/powerking/lines.asp?sub=41 Rusty From bens Thu Jan 20 11:11:52 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0KGBqVY003238 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:11:52 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0KGBqWf003237 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:11:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:11:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200501201611.j0KGBpK3003233@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1527 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org BCB Stands for "Big Chrome Balls" and that is the truth. Look under the front of your landy and there they are. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "charles irvin" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 8:25 PM Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1527 > > Enrique, > > The Mercruiser conversion is the one that's sold by Rob Davis (? - or is > it Bruce Davis?), and it's based on the G.M. "Iron Duke" 4 cylinder (same > one that appears in the Chevy Monza, Pontiac Fiero, etc.). I've never had > one, but everybody that has one seems to swear by them, so it's gotta be > worth looking into if you're thinking about dumping 2-5 grand into a > engine - any engine. (then again, for that matter, a Chevy 327 conversion [ 29 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jan 20 13:08:33 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0KI8XVY009274 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:08:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0KI8XBE009273 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:08:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:08:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200501201808.j0KI8XXD009269@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1527 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The Mercruiser conversion is sold by Robert Davis -rdavisinva@yahoo.com - and USED to be based on the Mercruiser 3.0L block. It's now a modified GM 2.5L block. And better for it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "charles irvin" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 8:25 PM Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1527 > > Enrique, > > The Mercruiser conversion is the one that's sold by Rob Davis (? - or is > it Bruce Davis?), and it's based on the G.M. "Iron Duke" 4 cylinder (same > one that appears in the Chevy Monza, Pontiac Fiero, etc.). I've never had > one, but everybody that has one seems to swear by them, so it's gotta be > worth looking into if you're thinking about dumping 2-5 grand into a > engine - any engine. (then again, for that matter, a Chevy 327 conversion [ 29 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jan 20 13:17:15 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0KIHFVY009993 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:17:15 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0KIHFMP009992 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:17:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:17:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200501201817.j0KIHEbW009988@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: handling [was tire talk] Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All this lifting and tire talk is very interesting as I am in the middle of exactly such a project involving 35 inch tires and some fender cutting. BUT I already have a an 88 Rangie in stock condition. I have briefly mentioned this before but wanted to emphasise it a bit more. This Rangie has 265/70-16's on stock Range Rover Wheels. It has a two inch lift and the camber has been corrected. Nothing has been cut off any fenders and dispite some abuse from me, no tires ever touch anywhere. Not only this, these tires are quiet and handle just like a stock Rangie. I can actually drive it quite fast and stick it into corners and it is very precise. I did not do any research and find these tires, they were on it when I got it and it seems very well set up. The full name is Yokohama Geolander MT's and I think that are under $200 each. I highly reccommend them for mud, snow and rock. A few weekends ago when we were engulfed in the blizzard of '04 up here at Placerville, my wife and I took the Rangie up Mormon Emigrant Trail road near Sly Park lake near Pollock Pines. It eventually goes to Kirkwood, but you never get that far in snow because it is not ploughed. When there is snow on it the idea is to see how far you can get before you get high centered and stuck. There was a lot of snow and a lot of other trucks of all types except Rover. On the low part of the road near the lake, there was not much snow and many stock trucks and Jeeps. A little higher the ruts in the snow deepend and there were diff and axle trails and stuck smaller trucks. As you go further and further uphill and the snow deepens, the vehicles get nastier and nastier. I stopped to pull a GMC Sierra pick-up out, which amused me, and him, and carried on uphill. Even when she was dragging the diffs and steering arms she would climb out to the side of the ruts to let other trucks past going the other way. We got to the point of no return where the snow was just too rutted and deep and met a load of very modified jeeps and a custom made rock crawler on 40" tires. They were impressed to see a Range Rover right up here. The Geolanders re great. Kind regards, Mark From bens Thu Jan 20 13:19:00 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0KIJ0VY010008 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:19:00 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0KIJ0k4010007 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:19:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:18:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200501201818.j0KIIxJN010003@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: handling [was tire talk] Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >>> hipine@att.net 01/20/05 06:55AM >>> [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html ] [ 27 lines filtered. ] I'm always sad for people who put up with ill-handling LRs, or vehicles in general. There's really no need. So many ways to have a perfectly capable, enjoyable, and safe vehicle on and off road. -Dave G. Exactly. When I bought my '90 RR, it was pretty squirrel. It would do the 65 MPH Freeway Hula-Hula Dance. Frightening and dangerous in commute traffic. All the original 160K bushings were shot. It also has a 3"OME lift, with no winch. A new set of Blue Polys cured everything, except the caster angle. But I can easily live with that. Fortunately, the front drive shaft issue is not a problem on mine, not yet anyway. Some trucks have the problem, some don't. From bens Thu Jan 20 13:31:41 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0KIVfVY010641 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:31:41 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0KIVfuD010640 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:31:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:31:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200501201831.j0KIVfmc010636@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles phu To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: shops good for RRC in Bay Area Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 8 lines filtered. ] Hi all, Anyone knows about any shops that do good jobs on RRC in Bay Area? I remember some shop in Berkeley doing good job for RRC once mentioned on Mendo list, but don't remember the name. Asking for one of my friends for his RRC service. Thanks in advance. charles --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. From bens Thu Jan 20 13:32:19 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0KIWJVY010654 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:32:19 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0KIWJqd010653 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:32:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:32:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200501201832.j0KIWIrs010649@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Death Valley Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Does anyone want to come to Death Valley for this Sunday and Monday (23rd and 24th) and wheel a bit up some side canyons? We normally stay in Lone Pine for Saturday night and go in on Sunday morning and come back on Monday afternoon. It will just be me and the missis and Roland and his missis in two lifted Range Rovers. We will camp on Sunday night up some side canyon and generally explore the area while trying not to break anything. It could be quite nasty in some places, so if anyone does come, please bring a vehicle that you do not mind damaging cosmetically. Anyone? Thanks. Mark From bens Thu Jan 20 22:06:52 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0L36qVY001907 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:06:52 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0L36q6O001906 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:06:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:06:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200501210306.j0L36pm9001902@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Death Valley Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org AAARRRGGGHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! I wish it were the following weekend...I'll be working on assembling pallet racking... :( Charles -----Original message----- From: "Mark Pilkington" mark@skywagons.com Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:32:19 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Death Valley > > Does anyone want to come to Death Valley for this Sunday and Monday (23rd > and 24th) and wheel a bit up some side canyons? We normally stay in Lone > Pine for Saturday night and go in on Sunday morning and come back on Monday > afternoon. It will just be me and the missis and Roland and his missis in > two lifted Range Rovers. We will camp on Sunday night up some side canyon > and generally explore the area while trying not to break anything. It could > be quite nasty in some places, so if anyone does come, please bring a > vehicle that you do not mind damaging cosmetically. [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jan 20 22:08:11 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0L38BVY001923 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:08:11 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0L38Bs7001922 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:08:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:08:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200501210308.j0L38Ahv001918@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Powdercoating chassis Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Karen, Let us know how it turns out! Charles > BTW, tomorrow I am going to look at a 1972 RHD SIII 109 with full roof rack, safari roof and LR 3.9 V8 engine I saw for sale near where I live. > > Karen Sindir From bens Fri Jan 21 13:00:35 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0LI0ZVY008691 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:00:35 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0LI0ZUg008690 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:00:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:00:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200501211800.j0LI0YBm008686@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo list Subject: new email address Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have just changed my email address. The best speed I could get over the phone line in the new house was 128KB. I now have a wireless connection that is MUCH faster. If anyone sent any emails to me yesterday please resend using the new address. The new email address is: twakeman@razzolink.com The joys of settling into new location ... TeriAnn From bens Fri Jan 21 13:29:42 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0LITgVY009764 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:29:42 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0LITgLP009763 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:29:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:29:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200501211829.j0LITg99009759@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Hannaford, Morgan" To: Subject: GM 4 cyl conversion Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have a GM 153 (Nova II) 2.5L motor in my 88" right now. Attached by an original Scotty's conversion. Clifford headers, webber 2bbl, etc. It works really well, has lots of power, but I would not recommend swapping out a Rover motor for it. The conversion is very expensive all told (>$5K) - it would be less expensive and maintain more value in your truck if you swap in a Military rebuild or Performance 2.25L motor from RN. BTW - I will be pulling the whole mess out (engine, adapter and all brackets) to drop in a Rover 2.5L diesel this summer. And selling off the adapter bits and / or motor. -Mo Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:25:49 -0500 From: charles irvin Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1527 Enrique, The Mercruiser conversion is the one that's sold by Rob Davis (? - or is it Bruce Davis?), and it's based on the G.M. "Iron Duke" 4 cylinder (same one that appears in the Chevy Monza, Pontiac Fiero, etc.). I've never had one, but everybody that has one seems to swear by them, so it's gotta be worth looking into if you're thinking about dumping 2-5 grand into a engine - any engine. (then again, for that matter, a Chevy 327 conversion from BCB..........) From bens Fri Jan 21 13:37:39 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0LIbdVY010177 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:37:39 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0LIbdV3010176 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:37:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:37:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200501211837.j0LIbc2S010172@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Daniel E. Smith" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Filling Gearbox & T-Case Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello all After much rain & snow here in SO. Cal. I moved to change the gear oil in the gearbox & transfer case this morning. Good thing I did because everything looked like real thin guacamole! The problem is that every time I go to fill them back up, I kill my arms & shoulders working those little pumps that fit on the gear oil jug. If you're just toping off it's OK, but filling from empty is a major pain. I had to stop filling the gearbox because it was time to go to work...I'm driving with a little whistling sound until I get home to fill it all the way. Does anyone have a better way? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bens Fri Jan 21 13:51:28 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0LIpSVY010812 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:51:28 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0LIpSkJ010811 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:51:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:51:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200501211851.j0LIpSfn010807@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Sergi, Michael" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Power King Tires Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Where are they available? Price? Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:09:39 -0500 From: "William Presley" Subject: Re: Tires again... I haven't read the complete thread - but I use these & they work great on the 109. http://www.tbcprivatebrands.com/powerking/lines.asp?sub=41 Rusty From bens Fri Jan 21 15:02:31 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0LK2VVY013693 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:02:31 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0LK2VJg013692 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:02:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:02:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200501212002.j0LK2UwJ013688@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: hipine@att.net To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: new email address Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html ] [ 17 lines filtered. ] "....The best speed I could get over the phone line in the new house was 128KB. ...." Drop the "1" and you're closer to what I get. And actual performance when performing a big download drops to more like 3Kbps. No cable, no DSL here either. My neighbor says there's a wireless option now (besides satelite), but I'm still too cheap to pay for either, and figure the best thing that can happen is I get the hell off the computer and do something worthwhile. :^) If I needed it for a business or something, like my neighbor does, I'd ahve to do something else. -Dave G. From bens Fri Jan 21 15:15:33 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0LKFXVY014294 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:15:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0LKFXYo014293 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:15:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:15:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200501212015.j0LKFXm8014289@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: hipine@att.net To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Filling Gearbox & T-Case Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html ] [ 25 lines filtered. ] I use a "suction gun", available at NAPA and the like. Stick the tube in the lube and draw back the plunger to suck up about half a quart then put the hose in the diff and shoot the oil in there. http://www.autobarn.net/te30-118.html The real easy way is the one I use when I'm changing fluid in both diffs and t-case all at once. A while back I bought one of these: http://www.mityvac.com/kits.html#plus Every month I use it to extract engine oil and then click the reversing valve to blow the used oil into a catch can for recycling. But you can also pour the diff lube right into the big container and use a little twist valve in the line to control flow. Pump it up then drag the line under the truck with you to fill the diffs. I use Redline Superlight Shockproof in my diffs and t-case though. That stuff is the viscosity of ATF so it flows really nicely (zero gear wear too by the way). If you want to use this thing with 90 wt dino juice, I'd warm the oil in the oven to about 200F before trying to dispense it. Of course, you could do what my buddy Jim did. Took an old fire extinguisher, drilled it to install a generic schraeder valve near the top, then unscrewed the head, filled it half up with 90 wt, screwed the top back on and pressurized it to 120psi. Put the hose in the diff and squeeze the handle - instant 90 wt dispenser! Good luck! -Dave G. From bens Fri Jan 21 15:36:50 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0LKaoVY015177 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:36:50 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0LKaodR015176 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:36:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:36:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200501212036.j0LKanej015172@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: Filling Gearbox & T-Case Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I buy Hypoind by the 5 gallon barrell, and put on a pump lid much easier to pump than the little ones. If you really wanted to spend money you could get electric :) -Rob From bens Fri Jan 21 15:40:18 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0LKeIVY015316 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:40:18 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0LKeIea015315 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:40:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:40:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200501212040.j0LKeH16015311@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Daniel E. Smith" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Filling Gearbox & T-Case Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks Dave! I'll have to say that I like the last suggestion best...that's great. Daniel __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From bens Fri Jan 21 15:52:00 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0LKq0VY015802 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:52:00 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0LKq0qQ015801 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:52:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:52:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200501212052.j0LKq0Cg015797@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Filling Gearbox & T-Case Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org When filling a transfer case I used remove a top access plate and pour. A installed a suffix A top cover with access plug and use a funnel to pour now. Also I've set up both my transfer case and gearbox with dip sticks so i can check everything without leaving the driver's seat. I top off the gearbox via the dipstick tube. I got tired of laying on my back first thing each morning during a trip. A backside & hair full of freezing mud or snow is now a thing of the past. TeriAnn From bens Fri Jan 21 18:09:02 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0LN92VY021526 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:09:02 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0LN92kl021525 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:09:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:09:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200501212309.j0LN92ot021521@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: hipine@att.net To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Filling Gearbox & T-Case Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html ] [ 17 lines filtered. ] ".....I got tired of laying on my back first thing each morning during a trip......" Yeesh.....I think I'd put some time into making the boxes able to hold oil long enough to go more than a day without needing a top off. I have a decidedly leaky transmission. It doesn't have a dipstick, but it only takes a few ounces every 10k miles. Not more than 1/16" level drop. -Dave G. From bens Fri Jan 21 18:37:52 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0LNbqVY022734 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:37:52 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0LNbqWr022733 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:37:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:37:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200501212337.j0LNbpgO022729@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Filling Gearbox & T-Case Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Yeesh.....I think I'd put some time into making the boxes able to hold oil long enough to go more than a day without needing a top off. I'm one of those folks who consider checking fluids each day a good practice when out off roading. last thing I need is not quite enough lubracation at a steep angle. It is more an an insurance thing than a need to. TeriAnn From bens Fri Jan 21 19:57:52 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0M0vqVY025972 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:57:52 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0M0vqaZ025971 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:57:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:57:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200501220057.j0M0vqZq025967@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "kminnick" To: "Mendo" Subject: Share the trails... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thought some might be interested in this: http://www.sharetrails.org/ Later, Kelly Minnick From bens Fri Jan 21 23:46:04 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0M4k4VY002888 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:46:04 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0M4k4vl002887 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:46:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:46:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200501220446.j0M4k3c0002883@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: tomw To: mendo Subject: Re: Filling Gearbox & T-Case Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Fri, 2005-01-21 at 12:15, > I'd warm the oil in the oven to about 200F before trying to dispense it. I'm not sure how I'd explain the oild stains in the oven to the wife! I had a hard enough time when I washed my mechanics worksuit and it left oil skid marks/residue in the dryer! ( really! ) I used brake parts cleaner to clean it out, then turned it on ( with no heat, .... it is a GAS dryer after all ) to vent it out... then all was well! > > Of course, you could do what my buddy Jim did. Took an old fire extinguisher > Good luck! > > -Dave G. -- TomW From bens Fri Jan 21 23:59:07 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0M4x7VY003303 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:59:07 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0M4x7QS003302 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:59:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:59:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200501220459.j0M4x7h8003298@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: tomw To: mendo Subject: Re: handling [was tire talk] Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Wed, 2005-01-19 at 21:04, Paul Archibald wrote: > charles, > I forget the mileage on the "new" rangie, ... > is bad...I also need to look into the swivels per dave, but > honestly am afraid of doing this on her driver right now as > the disco has some steering issues... I hope for your sake ( and others ) that Fresno is setup with a grid street pattern ( IE: no curves :) > Paul -- TomW From bens Sat Jan 22 00:14:09 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0M5E9VY004463 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 00:14:09 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0M5E9ta004462 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 00:14:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 00:14:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200501220514.j0M5E8p8004458@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Daniel E. Smith" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Filling Gearbox & T-Case Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yes Dave... It seems that mine leaks everyday, but when I go to add every few months it does not take much to top it off. I guess it looks like a lot more is coming out. This time there was something else mixed in with the oil...water I think from the rain. It rained like hell here in Ventura and I was in up to my bumper 3 or 4 times in a week or two. Heating that gear oil sounds like it would help and a military gearbox with dipstick would be nice too. Daniel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bens Sat Jan 22 02:07:51 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0M77pVY010199 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 02:07:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0M77prx010198 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 02:07:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 02:07:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200501220707.j0M77ooK010194@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Jeremy Bartlett To: mendo Subject: Re: Powder Coating Frames etc. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Enrique, How are you going to use the vehicle? If there's much chance of scrapes or scratches I'd personally avoid powder coating since a breach of the coating leads to pealing and rusting. It doesn't touch up the same as paint. Jeremy From bens Sat Jan 22 14:04:35 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0MJ4ZVY007105 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:04:35 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0MJ4Zgv007104 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:04:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:04:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200501221904.j0MJ4YA0007100@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Filling Gearbox & T-Case Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 22 lines filtered. ] In a message dated 1/21/05 10:43:39 AM Pacific Standard Time, sirernest.geo@yahoo.com writes: > Does anyone have a better way? > > In the top with a funnel and a bit of hose. Easier to pour down than up. Zack. Doesn't work with Diffs tho. From bens Sat Jan 22 16:22:10 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0MLMAVY012974 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:22:10 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0MLMAdM012973 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:22:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:22:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200501222122.j0MLMAEb012969@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: enrique gomez To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Powder coating and 2.25 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 13 lines filtered. ] Jeremy, You're right, I've decided to galvanize rather than powder coat the frame. I will be taking it out on the trails but nothing too extreme, for that, I'll use the "Mule" (98 Disco). Mehdi, I think it was you that steered me to the guys at BCB, thanks. I spoke to Matt and they do have a RN military re manufactured 2.25 sitting around but want three Grand for it though. It comes with all the ancillaries, so may be it's worth it? I'm removing all the brake lines today and i'm having a tough time at the junction box. i've undone all the fittings but the pipe won't come out. Any hints. Thanks all, for your input, Enrique --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. From bens Sat Jan 22 19:42:56 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0N0guVY021291 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:42:56 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0N0gu4F021290 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:42:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:42:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200501230042.j0N0gtUD021286@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Powder coating and 2.25 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Mehdi, I think it was you that steered me to the guys at BCB, thanks. > I spoke to Matt and they do have a RN military re manufactured 2.25 > sitting around but want three Grand for it though. It comes with all > the ancillaries, so may be it's worth it? > Ask if the head has unleaded valves. > I'm removing all the brake lines today and i'm having a tough time at > the junction box. i've undone all the fittings but the pipe won't come > out. Any hints. > > buy a brake tubing bender and some tubing and have fun. When dealing with these old lines it's a crap shoot if they come off clean or you break something during dissassembly. John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby", 2004 Honda Element "Ellie?" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano-the commuter, 2000 custom fixed gear (I built the frame), 2004 Steve Rex-road single ours: 2005 Steve Rex tandem (coming) From bens Sat Jan 22 21:44:47 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0N2ilVY026407 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:44:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0N2ilBF026406 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:44:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:44:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200501230244.j0N2il1n026401@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Powder coating and 2.25 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Enrique, Use penetrating oil...NOT WD-40, but Zepreserve, LPS, or the sort. Spray it, let it sit for a while (maybe even overnight), then go back & try again. Worst-case being that the fittings will break off at the threads, but I'd still invest in new brake lines anyway if the truck sat for a long time. If you can't get the fittings loose at the junction, simply scrounge one from a '68-'80 MGB - or any other dual circuit brake system from a Brit car, and convert to tandem brakes. BTW...anybody out there know how to shoo a full-grown bull (sans horns) off your property (hillside, lotsa rocks) without shooting it??? Charles -----Original message----- From: enrique gomez engo63@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:22:10 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Powder coating and 2.25 > I'm removing all the brake lines today and i'm having a tough time at the junction box. i've undone all the fittings but the pipe won't come out. Any hints. From bens Sat Jan 22 21:46:31 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0N2kVVY026615 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:46:31 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0N2kVLZ026614 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:46:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:46:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200501230246.j0N2kU0s026610@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Filling Gearbox & T-Case Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Daniel, If the previous suggestions don't work out, try lifting some weights for a week or two, then try the pump again. :) Charles - who REALLY needs to start riding the bike again... -----Original message----- From: "Daniel E. Smith" sirernest.geo@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 21:14:09 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Filling Gearbox & T-Case > > Yes Dave... > > It seems that mine leaks everyday, but when I go to > add every few months it does not take much to top it > off. I guess it looks like a lot more is coming out. > > This time there was something else mixed in with the > oil...water I think from the rain. It rained like hell [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Jan 22 22:03:46 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0N33kVY027334 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:03:46 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0N33kl5027333 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:03:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:03:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200501230303.j0N33jCN027329@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Powder coating and 2.25 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- charles irvin wrote: > > BTW...anybody out there know how to shoo a full-grown > bull (sans horns) off your property (hillside, lotsa > rocks) without shooting it??? > Charles, thems good eatin'! after all you are in the land of gun ammo for sale at auto parts stores! ...and it IS trespassing. you cna shoot dogs, so why not bulls? bull meat is not as good as steer meat(little tougher), but as long as you slow bbq it it will be amazing! you need to bring a quarter of it to mendo and cook it in a pit! do I hear a second to the motion? Paul From bens Sat Jan 22 22:08:57 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0N38vVY027562 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:08:57 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0N38vHf027561 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:08:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:08:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200501230308.j0N38uni027557@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Powder coating and 2.25 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yes, Paul - I have many ways to shoot the thing, but moving it afterwards on the other hand...(I DON'T have a forklift up there, and it would take a month to cut it up!) I am, however, gonna take a shotgun up there tomorrow, and see if I can get rid of the bats...AFTER I chase them outta the building! Charles -----Original message----- From: Paul Archibald androbus@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:03:46 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Powder coating and 2.25 > > > --- charles irvin wrote: > > > > > BTW...anybody out there know how to shoo a full-grown > > bull (sans horns) off your property (hillside, lotsa > > rocks) without shooting it??? > > [ 17 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Jan 22 22:19:21 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0N3JLVY028064 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:19:21 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0N3JLJ6028063 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:19:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:19:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200501230319.j0N3JKip028059@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: RE: Powder coating and 2.25 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org You don't really need a bender, but helpful, but will need a flaring tool. Mehdi - From bens Sat Jan 22 22:36:19 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0N3aJVY028945 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:36:19 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0N3aJwd028944 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:36:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:36:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200501230336.j0N3aJnU028940@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Powder coating and 2.25 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- charles irvin wrote: > > Yes, Paul - I have many ways to shoot the thing, but > moving it afterwards on the other hand...(I DON'T have a > forklift up there, and it would take a month to cut it > up!) > > I am, however, gonna take a shotgun up there tomorrow, > and see if I can get rid of the bats...AFTER I chase them > outta the building! DON'T KILL THE BATS!!!!!! if you do the damn mosquitos will kill you...htey are talking about how it will be a bad 'squito year here! Elisa said put up bat boxes around on the eaves and it will protect your property! i read a bat will eat 30,000 'squitos a night!! also they are dying out 'cause of people killing them, they breed slowly and live for 20+ years! they are your friends ...and you can easily drag the carcass down from the hill from where you shoot it behind a rover(or pick up that cat you really wanted! ;-) oh! and if you really decide to kill it, I'll come down and help butcher it all...maybe teach ya how to tan the hide the oldfashioned way! ;-) From bens Sat Jan 22 22:48:25 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0N3mPVY029361 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:48:25 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0N3mPxE029360 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:48:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:48:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200501230348.j0N3mOkx029356@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Powder coating and 2.25 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Paul, I don't care if the bats are outside the building, but they're inside! I'm gonna be working in there, and I don't like bats! I'm curious as to how/why they're there, since there are 0 trees on the property. No shrubs, no bushes - nothing. Just the bats & the bull. (sounds like something stupid out of a movie, huh?) Anyway, I still gotta get out there & see how that bull got there: either crashed the wire under it's own power/fell at the top of the property, or one of the neighbors put it there as a prank. But it's gotta go...I guess it had a bad itch because I caught it rubbing its side against my new garage today! I yelled at it, and it looked at me as it it was saying "yeah - right: make my day..."! (though, it could have been the "stupid cat" look) Can't kill the bull & drag it down the hill, because it may roll into the rear end of the drag vehicle & wreck something! It's a big sucker. Charles -----Original message----- From: Paul Archibald androbus@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:36:19 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Powder coating and 2.25 > > > --- charles irvin wrote: > > > > > Yes, Paul - I have many ways to shoot the thing, but > > moving it afterwards on the other hand...(I DON'T have a > > forklift up there, and it would take a month to cut it > > up!) [ 22 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Jan 23 00:59:09 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0N5x9VY003863 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:59:09 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0N5x9Ls003862 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:59:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:59:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200501230559.j0N5x9t9003858@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: RE: Morgan's GM 153 motor Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Morgan, I considered that mill for a time. I combed the web for Nova parts and found a guy in SFO that wanted $500 for a good example (it had been pulled in favor of a 350). I was close to actually closing the deal when a used 2.25 popped up, so I did that instead. What is the problem with the swap? Is it the usual mounting problems, ie, engine mounts, oilpan, driveline angles etc? (You would think I'd know this considering I was going to do such a swap- call me impulsive. I've since heard that parts are hard to come by. The 153 is rare anyway, since most have been junked in favor of SB V8s. Yet I am sick of my Rover engine. Perhaps is the new Jeep (Liberty) diesel engine? But who knows if it would fit. Plus it's verboten in Kalifornia. Yes, a Chevy V8 would be nice...but spendy and thirsty... Mo Patrykus 64 109 Regular From bens Sun Jan 23 04:12:26 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0N9CPVY011982 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 04:12:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0N9CPaU011981 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 04:12:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 04:12:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200501230912.j0N9CPE0011977@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: 1972 RHD 109 For Sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi all: Someone is selling a 1972 SIII RHD 109 near where I live, so I stopped by to check it out. From the info posted on the window: it has a LR 3.9 engine, solid chassis, safari roof, Salibury rear axle, new brakes including booster, shoes, & hoses, new muffler, clutch, flywheel, TO bearing, starter. clear title & reg. Since it was parked on the side of a very busy street and I didn't call the owner, I just gave it a fast lookover. The good: straight body, full length roof rack, interior not bad, dash good, Selectro heavy duty FW hubs, overdrive, chassis was good as stated. It still looks as if it has the stock tranny. The bad: rust on LH side of bulkhead outside, rusted out footwell on RH side, repair to pillar bottom on RH side near passenger door, seat cushions bad, needs window channels. If anyone is interested I can try to get the contact info as I didn't have time to copy it down, owner's name was Christian. Karen Sindir From bens Sun Jan 23 11:30:59 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0NGUxVY002353 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:30:59 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0NGUxSd002352 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:30:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:30:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200501231630.j0NGUwk2002348@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Morgan's GM 153 motor Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Heck, straight sixes are NOT rare - you just have to know where to look. Typical ramp tugs at airports have been running straight sixes (mainly Fords, but some Chevy's too) for eons. When I first started working at LAX, we had this one tug that one of the mechanics worked some magic on: it was clocked by airport police at 65mph (in a 15mph zone), and it was only running on 5 cylinders! (note: I was not the driver at that particular time, though I did open it up at the remote pads once in a while - where there was a lesser chance of being seen) Charles -----Original message----- From: "mpatrykus" mpatrykus@netzero.net Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:59:09 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Morgan's GM 153 motor > > Morgan, > > I considered that mill for a time. I combed the web for Nova parts and found > a guy in > SFO that wanted $500 for a good example (it had been pulled in favor of a > 350). I was close to actually closing the deal when a used 2.25 popped up, > so I did that instead. > [ 16 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Jan 23 12:56:03 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0NHu3VY005999 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:56:03 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0NHu3gk005998 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:56:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:56:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200501231756.j0NHu2as005994@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Share the trails... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Excellent to point this site out Kelly -- the Blue Ribbon Coalition is one of the few organizations trying to work for us to preserve access to public lands. Cheers John kminnick wrote: From bens Sun Jan 23 13:15:24 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0NIFOVY006835 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:15:24 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0NIFNbp006830 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:15:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:15:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200501231815.j0NIFNt0006822@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: hipine@att.net To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Bulls & Bats Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html ] [ 19 lines filtered. ] As for the bull, I say have some real fun, put your tax dollars to work...and call your county animal control! I mean, Kalifornia is all about getting someone "official" to look out for you, right? If they're all up in arms about some little turtles, let them deal with the bull. And shooing bats, now THAT's some fun. A buddy and I had been out bustin' 'chucks all afternoon and as the sun was coming down, a few bats started cruising around. The 220s went in the truck and out came the scatterguns. It became aparent pretty quickly...that sucker could "see" the shot coming and cut a big loop to dodge it! We had all kinds of fun confirming the theory until we got down to just a few shells left and decided to perform the final confirmation by taking a "coward's shot" as he was flying away from us......Dead bat, end of the fun. :^( Paul's right, it's better to leave them (the bats that is) on site if you can. They're taking care of a lot of pests. They won't bother you. -Dave G. From bens Sun Jan 23 14:10:19 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0NJAJVY009010 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:10:19 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0NJAJxc009009 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:10:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:10:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200501231910.j0NJAI7D009005@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Ted V Harwood II" To: Subject: Re: Bats engines frames and tires Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org As my dad used to say "You kill it, you eat it". Killing bats is not good for the environment. Bat populations are in trouble that's why people are building bat houses. Kill the bull, welcome the bats! I have been reading all the recent engines posts. I would like to stick with a 2.25 and would prefer to rebuild mine. Is there a good fair priced machine shop within an hour or so of the East Bay? I called a local shop and they said about $1600 for labor alone. Seems a bit high as you can get a short block from Turner for about $2000 including shipping. Somebody mentioned Pat Young at Rovergo, is he an independent shop or do you have to go through BP? Has anyone used Chassis Black from Eastwood? http://www.eastwoodco.com/shopping/search/searchresultsmain.jsp?affiliate=1&fresh=1&searchType=advanced&RS=1&keyword=10043ZP I have cosiderred galvanizing my frame but it is 44 years old now and has no rust issues. If it has lasted this long with original paint I don't see any point in galvanizing it now. I have also been reading the posts about tires. I don't think anyone has mentioned tires for 600X16 wheels. I currently have 750X16s and they have never looked right. Should I switch to 109 wheels or is there something out there that will work? I found these on line http://www.coker.com/store/customer/product.php?productid=17488&cat=&page=1 http://www.coker.com/store/customer/product.php?productid=17461&cat=&page=1 Anyone ever use these? Ted in Crockett From bens Sun Jan 23 15:47:51 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0NKlpVY013198 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:47:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0NKlpsA013197 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:47:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:47:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200501232047.j0NKloNU013193@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. Filling Gearbox & T-Case Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Daniel, If you're talking older (Series) trucks, Wise Owl sells a dipstick and filler top plate kit for the t-case. The dipstick replaces the fill plug and the "gear oil" engraved plate swaps out with the steel plate on top of transfer case. FWIW, this kit came with my Roverdrive..... Regards, JoeM '67 SIIA Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:37:38 -0500 From: "Daniel E. Smith" Subject: Filling Gearbox & T-Case ...If you're just toping off it's OK, but filling from empty is a major pain....Does anyone have a better way? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From bens Sun Jan 23 17:02:43 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0NM2hVY016464 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:02:43 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0NM2h0e016463 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:02:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:02:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200501232202.j0NM2gRj016459@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Stuart Ivie" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Powder coating and 2.25 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, Firecrackers? Stu "...and that's how you tell a prostitute from a police officer." - South Park's Mr. Garrison From bens Sun Jan 23 17:07:45 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0NM7jVY016689 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:07:45 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0NM7jVJ016688 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:07:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:07:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200501232207.j0NM7iIA016684@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Bats engines frames and tires Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > a 2.25 and would prefer to rebuild mine. Is there a good fair priced > machine > shop within an hour or so of the East Bay? I called a local shop and > they > said about $1600 for labor alone. Seems a bit high as you can get a > short > block from Turner for about $2000 including shipping. Somebody > mentioned Pat > Young at Rovergo, is he an independent shop or do you have to go [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] McLean's Machine shp in Woodland 530 668 8584 prices of dec 2001 valve job, 127.50 surface head 65 r and r guides and fit 6.30 each install exhaust seats 10.92 each hot tank block 34.20 install cam bearings 34.20 balance engine 175 hone degalze cylinders 4.00 each install pin bushings 8.09 each assemble engine 250 grand total 828.34 > John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby", 2004 Honda Element "Ellie?" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano-the commuter, 2000 custom fixed gear (I built the frame), 2004 Steve Rex-road single ours: 2005 Steve Rex tandem (coming) From bens Sun Jan 23 19:25:50 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0O0PoVY022501 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:25:50 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0O0PoCi022500 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:25:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:25:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200501240025.j0O0Po0b022496@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: tomw To: mendo Subject: RE: Morgan's GM 153 motor Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Sat, 2005-01-22 at 21:59, mpatrykus wrote: > Morgan, > Yet I am sick of my Rover engine. Perhaps is the new Jeep (Liberty) diesel > engine? But who knows if it would fit. Plus it's verboten in Kalifornia. Are youy saying the new diesel in the liberty is not allowed in California? Bummer... but alas, I'm sure you could swap one in your series if its pre-smog ( whatever that is now ( 74?? ) > Mo Patrykus > 64 109 Regular -- TomW From bens Sun Jan 23 21:14:49 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0O2EnVY027583 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:14:49 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0O2EnAN027582 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:14:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:14:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200501240214.j0O2EnKl027578@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Rich Williams" To: Subject: Re: Bats engines frames and tires Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Has anyone used Chassis Black from Eastwood? > http://www.eastwoodco.com/shopping/search/searchresultsmain.jsp?affiliate=1&fresh=1&searchType=advanced&RS=1&keyword=10043ZP > I have cosiderred galvanizing my frame but it is 44 years old now and has > no > rust issues. If it has lasted this long with original paint I don't see > any > point in galvanizing it now. Ted - I agree, the frames that are 40-odd years old and have no rust don't need the galvy unless you were going to off-raod the hell out of the truck. When I did my frame-off I had a totally rust free frame that was in mint condition so I just sand blasted it and re-painted it gloss black. And to be honest, I just rattle canned the thing. That was nearly 4 years ago and looks still looks great. - Rich Williams From bens Sun Jan 23 23:12:12 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0O4CCVY032451 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:12:12 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0O4CCdY032450 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:12:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:12:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200501240412.j0O4CCQZ032446@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Bulls & Bats Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well... I found out that the bull is owned by the son of the guy that we make out land payments to, so I won't be inviting everybody over to a big BBQ just yet. :( It strayed off our property today, through the hole in the fence that it probably got into the property through(!), but it didn't get there directly from the grazing land that's behind the property, because the hole in the fence is at the front at the road! Anyway, the owner of the lot in front of us, along with the bull's owner, tried to round him up via a couple of pickup trucks, to no avail - the bull ran off into an orange grove & disappeared. It did come back this evening, and was standing in front of the hole in my fence. (the owner said if we can get it back onto my property, he'll be able to run it through one of my gates that go into his grazing land: I'm all for it since I don't really wanna run into that thing in the fog!). As for the bats: if they're willing to sign a statement that they DON'T have Rabies, then I'll let them stay: otherwise it's scattergun time. (unless that electronic bat repeller actually works - which it seems that it does, because the bat was gone today) Stupid me: I took my M590 up there this morning along with a box of shells, and it turns out the shells are 20 gauge - the M590 is 12 gauge! Duh... At least I got some more pallet racking put together: Paul A. stopped by & I put him to work for a few minutes. Tried to get him to drive his Disco up the property, but he wouldn't do it... Next weekend I can start moving cars up there!!!!!!! Charles -----Original message----- From: hipine@att.net Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:15:23 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Bulls & Bats > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html ] > [ 19 lines filtered. ] > > > As for the bull, I say have some real fun, put your tax dollars to work...and call your county animal control! I mean, Kalifornia is all about getting someone "official" to look out for you, right? If they're all up in arms about some little turtles, let them deal with the bull. > > And shooing bats, now THAT's some fun. A buddy and I had been out bustin' 'chucks all afternoon and as the sun was coming down, a few bats started cruising around. The 220s went in the truck and out came the scatterguns. It became aparent pretty quickly...that sucker could "see" the shot coming and cut a big loop to dodge it! We had all kinds of fun confirming the theory until we got down to just a few shells left and decided to perform the final confirmation by taking a "coward's shot" as he was flying away from us......Dead bat, end of the fun. :^( [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Jan 24 00:13:21 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0O5DLVY003012 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:13:21 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0O5DLJ8003011 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:13:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:13:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200501240513.j0O5DKbr003007@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Charles and Bats Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, Please don't kill the bats... Build a bat box and they'll keep the insect population under control. > I am, however, gonna take a shotgun up there tomorrow, and see if I > can get rid of the bats...AFTER I chase them outta the building! If a bat ends up in your living quarters there is no need to over react. First you should seal off the room so the bat can't get anywhere else in your house. Next, open a window or door that leads to the outside. If you have lights on turn them off so the bat will only echolocate to find the opening. The bat should be gone in a few minutes once this is done. Sometimes, the bat will appear to hit the wall and fall to the floor. Actually, it is trying to rest, but because the wall is smooth it can't get a grip on it's surface. Some bats can take off from the ground, but most can't. If a bat is grounded, then you can place a towel on the ground for it to climb onto and bring it outside. Please wear heavy gloves to avoid being bitten. Every living thing on the earth servers it purpose in the balance of nature. Thanks, Keith From bens Mon Jan 24 01:02:59 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0O62xVY006117 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:02:59 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0O62xnD006116 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:02:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:02:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200501240602.j0O62wqZ006112@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Bats engines frames and tires Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org regarding chassis paint, I still swear by rustoleum in the can(not spraycan) it's the real thing made with the fish-oil in it that apparently keeps the rust away. for me it has worked so far very well...been using it since, well as far as I can remember! you can brush it on, or should be able to thin and spray it as well. Paul --- Rich Williams wrote: > > > Has anyone used Chassis Black from Eastwood? > > > http://www.eastwoodco.com/shopping/search/searchresultsmain.jsp?affiliate=1&fresh=1&searchType=advanced&RS=1&keyword=10043ZP > > I have cosiderred galvanizing my frame but it is 44 > years old now and has > > no > > rust issues. If it has lasted this long with original > paint I don't see > > any > > point in galvanizing it now. > > Ted - [ 18 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Jan 24 10:18:56 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0OFIuVY029517 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:18:56 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0OFIuqa029516 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:18:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:18:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200501241518.j0OFIurA029512@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Hannaford, Morgan" To: Subject: RE: Morgan's GM 153 motor Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Many of the parts for the 153 are the same as the 250 straight-six and 350 V8. (water pump stuff, bearings, starter etc.). The only parts difficult to find are heads, manifolds, blocks, cams, and cranks - which are unique to the motor. Clifford makes manifolds and cams. The motor is still made for forklifts, industrial, generators etc. - and still hecho'd in Mexico. Mercruiser used to make a 120 hp model that is the same unit. Like the 250, this is a really good motor. And lightweight! My transmission is grumbling and growling bad. The layshaft bearings are protesting. The '03 Team Trophy Challenge put it over the edge and I guess towing the horse trailer around has not helped. So, when I replace the tranny this summer I will bolt on the 2.5L diesel that is sitting on my garage floor. -Mo From bens Mon Jan 24 12:29:27 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0OHTRVY002891 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:29:27 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0OHTR8U002890 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:29:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:29:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200501241729.j0OHTR1m002886@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Sergi, Michael" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Brake lines Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I liked the Automec copper/Ni brake lines. No flaring (except for mistakes). Only bending and tightening. From bens Tue Jan 25 09:28:11 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0PESBVY024359 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:28:11 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0PESBqJ024358 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:28:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:28:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200501251428.j0PESAGu024354@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Ted V Harwood II" To: Subject: 101 on ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org 101 on ebay. buy it now price of $4,487.78. Ted http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33653&item=7950172752&rd=1 From bens Tue Jan 25 19:36:32 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0Q0aWVY018317 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:36:32 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0Q0aWAL018316 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:36:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:36:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200501260036.j0Q0aVoR018312@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "joshua fischer" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Mojave Road Trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello all, So have we figured out if Mojave Road is open or closed? Also is there still a trip on Presidents' weekend? I hope so. I would hate to spend another long weekend away from work doing home improvement things or "a good house cleaning". Looking forward to the trip. Josh _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From bens Tue Jan 25 21:01:28 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0Q21SVY021987 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:01:28 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0Q21SLl021986 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:01:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:01:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200501260201.j0Q21Rpv021982@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Stuart Ivie" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Mojave Road Trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm cool with a trip the weekend of the 19th (President's Day weekend). I know that the norcalrovers yahoo group has plans for a run that weekend, destination currently unknown. Stu From bens Wed Jan 26 19:07:20 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0R07KVY013047 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:07:20 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0R07Kbs013046 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:07:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:07:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200501270007.j0R07JCD013042@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Jim Howat To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: e-mail address change Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 267 lines filtered. ] Effective `1/26/05 I will be deleting my Earthlink mailbox. I now have AOL and my new e-mail address will be: scunnerjames@aol.com Thanks! From bens Thu Jan 27 10:51:05 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0RFp5VY021176 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:51:05 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0RFp5iR021175 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:51:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:51:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200501271551.j0RFp48m021171@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Road Trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, I just talked with a few people at the BLM's Barstow field office (760-252-6000): they tell me that the desert tortoise ruling will only affect areas immediately surrounding Needles, Palm Springs, and El Centro - and that Mojave Road was not affected & is still open. :) So, so long as the weather is good, I'm all for it. Charles -----Original message----- From: "joshua fischer" jfischer160@hotmail.com Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:36:32 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Mojave Road Trip? > > Hello all, > So have we figured out if Mojave Road is open or closed? Also is there > still a trip on Presidents' weekend? I hope so. I would hate to spend > another long weekend away from work doing home improvement things or "a good > house cleaning". Looking forward to the trip. > > Josh > [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jan 28 03:31:54 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0S8VsUs031645 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 03:31:54 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0S8VsUa031644 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 03:31:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 03:31:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200501280831.j0S8VrLU031640@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Road Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A couple of people from my offroad group at work are going this weekend on the Mojave Road, I'll ask them how the conditions were when they get back. Karen Sindir From bens Sat Jan 29 02:54:03 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0T7s3a9026009 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 02:54:03 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0T7s3kU026008 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 02:54:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 02:54:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200501290754.j0T7s32g026004@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Quiet list the last few days... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So, I FINALLY got around to taking the Rangie for its smog test this past week, and it passed with flying colors!!!!!! Guess all my work paid off, and as usual, the results were far below the max. allowed, as well as the average. Now it's tire time, but what to get...I'm wishfully hoping to stay under the $600 line, but there isn't much to choose from that will actually be under that these days! I know Janet will blow a gasket if I go over that limit, but I don't want to get cheap tires for her. The cattle herd is getting bigger...now there's two of 'em up at the property! Found out that they're getting in through a hole in the wire down at the frontage road - but how are they getting to the road when there's no cattle ranch in that direction??? Hmmmmmmmm.... Speaking of property: got most of the racking up, this weekend I start to move boxes, maybe a few cars, engines, gearboxes... Charles From bens Sat Jan 29 16:51:40 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0TLpea9028311 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:51:40 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0TLpe96028310 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:51:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:51:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200501292151.j0TLpeMG028306@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "joshua fischer" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Quiet list the last few days... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I agree. The list has been quiet lately. I have been having problems with the list and thought my computer didn't like it anymore. I am looking to get some info on the Mojave trip. Something along the lines of a meeting place and an agenda. I am just trying to get everything together ahead of time. Does anyone have a list of equipment and provisions suited for this trip? I have never been on this trip and I am a little nervous that I will forget something important. Also I think we need a head count of possible attendees. Cheers, Josh _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From bens Sat Jan 29 18:20:02 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0TNK2a9031819 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:20:02 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0TNK2XF031818 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:20:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:20:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200501292320.j0TNK155031797@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RR LWB = no go Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cynthis went to go to work and it started, then she realized she had forgotten something. She turned it off and then it wouldn't start. It would catch occasionally. I verified the fuel pump is working. Then I checked spark. There was some but it was weak, or non existant. The rotor looked fine, and the cap was ok, although there were some marks on the internal metal pieces. I am guessing coil? Anything else I should look at? Rob -------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld From bens Sat Jan 29 21:21:23 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0U2LNa9006770 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:21:23 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0U2LNfS006769 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:21:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:21:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200501300221.j0U2LNLL006765@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: RE: RR LWB = no go Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 24 lines filtered. ] Ignition amplifier? From bens Sat Jan 29 22:28:49 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0U3Sna9009449 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:28:49 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0U3Snfg009448 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:28:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:28:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200501300328.j0U3SmDQ009444@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: RR LWB = no go Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 18 lines filtered. ] Rob, You could set up the main ignition coil wire, (free of cap and so on) to simulate the appropriate spark gap. Then simulate a standard set of points using an old condenser and some clip leads out of your series. Clip leads make this easier use what you have. Then use the clip leads, and simulate opening and closing the points. If the spark isn't snappy, then a 30 dollar coil is a good investment in the change the parts shuffle, search for the problem. The intent is to remove the amplifier and so on from the circuit. Give me a call if you don't understand the explanation. Zack And the best of good wishes as well. From bens Sun Jan 30 01:03:33 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0U63Xa9017334 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 01:03:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0U63Wu8017333 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 01:03:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 01:03:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200501300603.j0U63WWG017329@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: ntucker@sfsu.edu To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1534 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, Why not go with the RT's. I Have had mine for about two plus years on my RRC and they have never let me down. I went with 215/85's and they work out well. I think I paid $72.00 each from tirerack and I think I even received free shipping!! I think it was a promo at the time. I got five and with a little "massaging" I was able to fit the spare with cover and all. Actually I went a little too far and ended up tearing a weld between the spare 'cove' and the floor, and I didn't even need that extra inch. I got it together and rhino lined and it turned out great. Later, Nathan (lurking from Ukiah) From bens Sun Jan 30 01:16:22 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0U6GMa9017935 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 01:16:22 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0U6GMR9017934 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 01:16:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 01:16:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200501300616.j0U6GMrF017930@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: RE: The cattle herd is getting bigger... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cattle drive and hunt at Charles' place in Visalia! Chase down elusive bovines in your Rover! No low gears or brakes required. Barbeque to follow. Bring a side dish and some charcoal. RSVP to Charles. $5.00 cover, proceeds benefit the Range Rover Tire Fund. From bens Sun Jan 30 01:32:57 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0U6Wva9018551 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 01:32:57 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0U6WvYd018550 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 01:32:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 01:32:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200501300632.j0U6WviD018546@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1534 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Nathan - long time no hear! I'll check Tire Rack: the local shops want upwards of $900 total for a set of 4 of the AT's! Sad, because that's what I wanted to get for the Rangie. Charles -----Original message----- From: ntucker@sfsu.edu Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:03:32 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1534 > > Charles, > > Why not go with the RT's. I Have had mine for about two plus years on my RRC > and they have never let me down. I went with 215/85's and they work out > well. I think I paid $72.00 each from tirerack and I think I even received > free shipping!! I think it was a promo at the time. I got five and with a > little "massaging" I was able to fit the spare with cover and all. Actually I > went a little too far and ended up tearing a weld between the spare 'cove' and [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Jan 30 01:35:03 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0U6Z3a9018641 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 01:35:03 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0U6Z3FA018640 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 01:35:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 01:35:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200501300635.j0U6Z3fw018636@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: The cattle herd is getting bigger... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hahahaha!!!!! Don't forget - you can also practice for any future "Mud Run's" at my place, too! 10 acres to play on! Charles - who should probably look into better mud tires for the F350, too...(haven't been stuck yet, but almost...) -----Original message----- From: "mpatrykus" mpatrykus@netzero.net Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:16:22 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: The cattle herd is getting bigger... > > Cattle drive and hunt at Charles' place in Visalia! Chase down elusive > bovines in your Rover! No low gears or brakes required. Barbeque to follow. > Bring a side dish and some charcoal. RSVP to Charles. $5.00 cover, proceeds > benefit the Range Rover Tire Fund. > From bens Sun Jan 30 01:39:32 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0U6dWa9018794 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 01:39:32 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0U6dW1v018793 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 01:39:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 01:39:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200501300639.j0U6dWZG018789@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: The cattle herd is getting smaller now... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I forgot to mention: Went up there this morning with a load of stuff, and built more shelves while waiting for a possible office contractor to stop by.Noticed - no cows! I looked everywhere, and nothing, nada. Contractor finally showed up @ 1430hrs (he was supposed to be there before noon!), left an hour later, and I followed suit. Made it down to the gate, spotted two cows down the road! (DAMMIT!!! I thought the rancher finally took them away!) Drive to Woodlake's Hardware store, buy 4 'T'-posts, fencing pliers, another baby sledge (didn't feel like fighting the mud upto the shop again), and a hundred feet of steel wire, go back to the property, and fix the bloody hole in the wire before the cows decided to meander their way back onto MY property! Went back tonight, and they've vanished again... Charles -----Original message----- From: "mpatrykus" mpatrykus@netzero.net Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:16:22 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: The cattle herd is getting bigger... > > Cattle drive and hunt at Charles' place in Visalia! Chase down elusive > bovines in your Rover! No low gears or brakes required. Barbeque to follow. > Bring a side dish and some charcoal. RSVP to Charles. $5.00 cover, proceeds > benefit the Range Rover Tire Fund. > From bens Sun Jan 30 01:53:51 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0U6rpa9019394 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 01:53:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0U6rpX9019393 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 01:53:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 01:53:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200501300653.j0U6rpCr019389@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Quiet list the last few days... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm still planning on going. Let's make the meeting place the gas station/fireworks stand at the Fort Mojave Indian Reservation: it's just up the road from Mile 0.0 anyway. The morning of the start, around 8-ish? You're gonna be in the desert: take warm weather clothes, and VERY COLD weather clothes(as if you were heading for the snow cold weather clothes), blankets (lots!), the usual camping gear - but bring a tent if 'ya got one, or plan on sleeping in your truck, because it gets COLD!!!!!! at night. If you have a propane tent heater, bring it. DO NOT bring one of those silly tripod stands to hang your lantern on, as it'll probably get blown over if the wind is up (ask me, go ahead and ask me...). Firewood: most of the time you'll be in the Mojave National Preserve, so there ain't no cutting down of anything for firewood - then again, there ain't anything to cut down anyway! Enough food & water for 3 days - don't forget toilet paper ( no facilities anywhere, unless you want to drive back to Baker) Bring a jerrycan of fuel if 'ya got it: it's about 130 miles of off-pavement trails that we'll be following. Note that this is a not-a-trip, and we're pretty much following an old foot/wagon trail, maybe with a side excursion or two along the way, but do note that there ARE people that live out there & do not want to be bothered, so if you see any dwellings out there that look like they're still being used, steer away from them. If you have good tires, then you shouldn't need serious recovery gear, but if you have it, bring it anyway,as people have been known to get stuck out there. (there are several very sandy areas along the trail) Oh - CB channel 7. Charles -----Original message----- From: "joshua fischer" jfischer160@hotmail.com Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:51:40 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Quiet list the last few days... > > > I agree. The list has been quiet lately. I have been having problems with > the list and thought my computer didn't like it anymore. > > I am looking to get some info on the Mojave trip. Something along the lines > of a meeting place and an agenda. I am just trying to get everything > together ahead of time. Does anyone have a list of equipment and provisions > suited for this trip? I have never been on this trip and I am a little [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Jan 30 02:22:11 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0U7MBa9020672 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 02:22:11 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0U7MBev020671 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 02:22:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 02:22:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200501300722.j0U7MBli020667@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: crocuta@earthlink.net To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Sighting and IIB FC on ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I saw a D90 soft top going up 680 today. The other day (friday?) my friend and I were driving down 880 in San Jose talking about cool australian gear for 4x4s and since he has been to OZ, he got off on the subject of the neat 'old body style' Land Cruisers with diesel engines and snorkels when what do we pass but a right hand drive diesel (with a biodiesel sticker on the bumper) old body style but newer appearing Land Cruiser with snorkel, winch, roo bar etc etc.. I was in the Subaru unfortunately but we exchanged waves. If anyone's interested, I've not seen many forward controls (IIB kind) on ebay... but here is a fire dept version http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6296&item=4523206700&rd=1 Have a good weekend all! OH as for Mojave Road.. my tyres are almost bald and I need to save cash but I might try to make it anyway. I found a place in Canada that sells G90s too. Have a good weekend all! -Marshall (excuse the typoes, I'm getting over the flu so my brain hasn't returned to normal) From bens Sun Jan 30 03:30:48 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0U8Uma9023456 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:30:48 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0U8UmLd023455 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:30:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:30:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200501300830.j0U8UlMI023451@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "GrannyP" To: "Mendo Recce Mailing List" Subject: To flush or not to flush Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry for cross-posting two lists but some whose opinions I value are on each but not both. Ziggy, my '92 RRC (135,000 miles on original engine), seems to be enjoying a sticking or floating tappet. There is a rapid tapping sound that only occurs under acceleration, especially hard acceleration. It doesn't make the noise at idle or if I just sit parked and rev the engine, nor even if I accelerate very gently (on flat ground). I was bumfuzzled by it so called a local mechanic (who has worked on a few Range Rovers) to see if he'd do a test drive and give me a diagnosis. Funny thing is that I was almost to his shop when it dawned on me that it might be a valve lifter. It's funny both because I was almost there and because it's not a problem I've previously experienced. The mechanic's test drive confirmed my hunch. He described it as a failure of a seal that under heavy load will let oil squeeze by the tappet but that's not so bad as to keep it from working under lighter loads. My assumption and his recommendation is that all the lifters should be replaced, since labor is essentially the same and the big cost (if I have it done for me). A friend suggested that while that stuff's apart, I should also replace all the pushrods and the rockers, using parts (including a compete rocker assembly) from XKs Unlimited (cheapest source), since all this stuff wears together. However, another friend suggested that the follower is sticking due to a clog of oil sludge build-up. His suggestion was that, before I spend $700 on the lifter, I should give the engine a flush with diesel or some other oil additive. Of course, if this would work, safely, it is a most appealing alternative. However, I have reservations about the safety of the idea. So I did some research on the web. It was interesting what I found, even if it mostly added to my confusion. Several sources strongly cautioned against flushing an engine (seems to me I did it once to some vehicle, with no resulting problems), that it can cause more damage than it can do good, that it may loosen chunks of sludge that are too large and that those can cause damage to bearings, etc. Some say that it can blow gaskets, too. Not very appealing prospects, methinks! Therefore, I'm somewhat put off the idea. Still, I'd like to hear from anyone who has actual experience of such a procedure with Rover V-8s. If the mechanic is right and it's a worn seal in the lifter, not sludge clogging a port, it's not likely to help. But if sludge is the culprit and this easy fix could save me a bunch of money/work, I'd like that--a lot. Hmmmm.... Thanks in advance, Granny From bens Sun Jan 30 18:22:13 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0UNMDa9032331 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:22:13 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0UNMDiA032330 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:22:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:22:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200501302322.j0UNMDof032326@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "joshua fischer" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Quiet list the last few days... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, Is there a map I can get that has that area on it? Needles or just directions/address to the gas station/firework stand? Also did you want to shoot for Sat. morning at 8AM? My girlfriend, Melissa and I, will probably be arriving on Friday afternoon/evening, and either camping or getting a hotel. I think my parents are planning on coming along in their Discovery as well. I imagine that we will finish the trail sometime on Sunday and can disband then. Does that sound feasible? Has anyone had any experience with BBQing out there? My dad is a BBQ-a-holic. He wants to bring his BBQ. Is there any issues with disposing of ashes or with wildlife wanting the food more than you? Thanks again Charles. Cheers, Josh _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From bens Sun Jan 30 20:14:13 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0V1EDa9004351 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:14:13 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0V1EDU8004350 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:14:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:14:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200501310114.j0V1EC0X004346@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: RR LWB No Go Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rob wrote: > Cynthia went to go to work and it started, then she realized she had > forgotten something. She turned it off and then it wouldn't start. > It would catch occasionally. I verified the fuel pump is working. > Then I checked spark. There was some but it was weak, or non existent. > The rotor looked fine, and the cap was ok, although there were some > marks on the internal metal pieces. I am guessing coil? Anything else > I should look at? The most common problem for a "starts fine in the morning than does not start again when hot problem" is the ignition amplifier (connected to the distributor). If it starts again after cooling off than it is the ignition amp almost for sure. There is a LR TSB that described a factory kit to move the amp from the distributor to a cooler location near the coil. Some other things to think about are clogged fuel filter (when was it last replaced?), and overheated wires at the top of the fuel pump (so the pump is not getting full voltage). The coil would be next on my list (I used to carry a spare coil in my Classic that I bought from a guy on the RRO list for $10). Kevin P.S. I'm looking for a locking steel cabinet for my garage 6 to 8 feet tall and 3 to 4 feet wide. Does anyone know of a place in the Bay Area that sells used/surplus office furniture (or does anyone have an extra steel cabinet that they want to sell)? From bens Sun Jan 30 20:17:49 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0V1Hna9004568 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:17:49 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0V1HmSA004567 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:17:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:17:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200501310117.j0V1HmQK004563@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Re: To Flush or not to Flush Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Granny wrote: > Ziggy, my '92 RRC (135,000 miles on original engine), seems to be > enjoying a sticking or floating tappet. There is a rapid tapping sound > that only occurs under acceleration, especially hard acceleration. Are you 100% sure it is a sticking tappet? It is often hard to tell the rapid "tapping sound" of a lifter/tappet from pinging/preignition (that also occurs "under acceleration, especially hard acceleration") or a noisy/clicking fuel injector (that is only making noise under load). > The mechanic's test drive confirmed my hunch. He described it > as a failure of a seal that under heavy load will let oil squeeze by the > tappet but that's not so bad as to keep it from working under lighter > loads. My assumption and his recommendation is that all the lifters > should be replaced. It seems like mechanics always want to tear in to an engine (and doctors want to operate and lawyers want to sue...), but I've always felt that unless you can notice a real problem (like the time the valve fell in to the combustion chamber on my VW) you should try and avoid pulling an engine apart. My sisters mechanic wanted to replace a lifter on her Acura Integra about 10 years ago before it had 100K on it since it was clicking. I told her to keep driving it until she noticed a real problem. When she sold it a couple years ago with 240K on it the lifter was making a lot more noise and the car was using a lot of oil but it still ran. > However, another friend suggested that the follower is sticking > due to a clog of oil sludge build-up. His suggestion was that, > before I spend $700 on the lifter, I should give the engine a flush with > diesel or some other oil additive. Of course, if this would work, safely, > it is a most appealing alternative. However, I have reservations about > the safety of the idea. The Rover/Buick V8 top end does tend to sludge up (especially if people go more than 5K between oil changes) but I would not do an engine flush or fill the thing with ATF if it just had a little tap on acceleration. Kevin From bens Sun Jan 30 21:29:57 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0V2Tva9007475 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:29:57 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0V2TvcX007474 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:29:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:29:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200501310229.j0V2Tu5b007470@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: magazine Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org cleaning up and found a 1993 issue of "Your Classic" from England Inside is 12 page Buyers Guide for Land Rovers. Also has an article abut making an MGB v8 and other stuff. Respond to me with your address and I'll confirm and mail it to you sometime this week. If I don't confirm, you weren't first/picked. cheers, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby", 2004 Honda Element "Ellie?" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano-the commuter, 2000 custom fixed gear (I built the frame), 2004 Steve Rex-road single ours: 2005 Steve Rex tandem (coming) From bens Sun Jan 30 21:48:57 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0V2mva9008346 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:48:57 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0V2mv8d008345 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:48:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:48:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200501310248.j0V2mvLM008341@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "tomw" To: Subject: RE: The cattle herd is getting bigger... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 16 lines filtered. ] That's funny :) TomW From bens Sun Jan 30 21:54:12 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0V2sCa9008572 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:54:12 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0V2sCVo008571 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:54:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:54:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200501310254.j0V2sBkW008567@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "tomw" To: Subject: RE: The cattle herd is getting smaller now... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Drive to Woodlake's Hardware store, buy 4 'T'-posts, fencing pliers, another baby sledge (didn't feel like fighting the mud upto > the shop again), and a hundred feet of steel wire, go back to the property, and fix the bloody hole in the wire before the cows > decided to meander their way back onto MY property! > Went back tonight, and they've vanished again... Sounds like crop circles or the twilight zone to me! > Charles >> -----Original message----- >>From: "mpatrykus" mpatrykus@netzero.net >>Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:16:22 -0800 >>To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >>Subject: RE: The cattle herd is getting bigger... >> >> Cattle drive and hunt at Charles' place in Visalia! Chase down >> elusive bovines in your Rover! No low gears or brakes required. >> Barbeque to follow. Bring a side dish and some charcoal. RSVP to >> Charles. $5.00 cover, proceeds benefit the Range Rover Tire Fund. >> From bens Sun Jan 30 22:14:34 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0V3EYa9009380 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:14:34 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0V3EY4T009379 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:14:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:14:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200501310314.j0V3EYAB009375@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "tomw" To: Subject: RE: RR LWB No Go Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > P.S. I'm looking for a locking steel cabinet for my garage 6 to 8 feet tall and 3 to 4 feet wide. > Does anyone know of a place > in the Bay Area that sells used/surplus office furniture (or does anyone have an extra steel > cabinet that they want to sell)? Kevin, odd as it may sound but, try a large sports store or Walmart and take a look at the ( thin metal'd ) full size gun Safe. I'm not talking a full fledged 800 lb Gorilla jobber but one of the ~ $100 full sized ones... Then again, you probably don't want your local thieves thinking you have guns in there for their easy picking? TomW From bens Sun Jan 30 22:24:56 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0V3Oua9009802 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:24:56 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0V3OuNk009801 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:24:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:24:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200501310324.j0V3OuZP009797@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: The cattle herd is getting bigger... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- tomw wrote: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ Included Original Message ] > [ 16 lines filtered. ] > That's funny :) > > TomW what I thought was funny was last Sunday when I was there, the "cow" was off-property a hundred yards, and a "neighbor" pulled up in his truck. I made a comment that the neighborhood should get together for a pit-BBQ. ;-) turns out it was the owner of teh offending steer...OOPS! :-) I'd swear that there is some sort of law(like immenent domain) or whatever..) that gives Charles the right to clain the offending animals o his property after it has been documented a couple times?? anyone? Beuler? ;-) not like Charles wants to piss off the owners owner as his father is the guy he bought the property from, and they still own all land behind him etc... Paul(but a biig pit bbq with rover mud-bog runs up the hill would be kinda fun) From bens Sun Jan 30 22:41:28 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0V3fSa9010608 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:41:28 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0V3fSMX010607 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:41:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:41:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200501310341.j0V3fRHf010603@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Kevin's garage cabinets...was RE: RR LWB No Go Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- tomw wrote: > > > > > P.S. I'm looking for a locking steel cabinet for my > garage 6 to 8 feet > tall and 3 to 4 feet wide. > > Does anyone know of a place > in the Bay Area that > sells used/surplus > office furniture (or does anyone have an extra steel [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] hmm! makes sense, as they make a kit to solid-mount said gun cabinet to teh concrete floor! by the way my dad paid $250 for a USED metal cabinet!! for the Dragonfly hanger a few years ago! damn high price! I wanted to buy more for my garage as i had paid ~$50 or so for the two I have, but that was pre-auction with all teh machine shop stuff too.... they can/will either take thew whole cabinet or break it open. if tehy want still(didn't tehy do that last time?) another option is "tool-safe" or similar. I always stored my cameras in a tool-safe cabinet in my old bedroom when in Fremont. it is fire-proof and break-in proof to boot. but these are really costly! ;-0 go look up the gun cabinets per tom! Paul From bens Mon Jan 31 03:06:39 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0V86da9023056 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 03:06:39 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0V86dUD023055 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 03:06:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 03:06:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200501310806.j0V86cKE023051@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "kminnick" To: Cc: Subject: RE: To flush or not to flush Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Granny- To de-sludgy or not to de-sludge - that is the question! Many shops have the Bosch system that can clean out your system without running the engine (and risk damage to your bearings or pump). I think the cost is around $95. Also, I know many who run a quart of ATF in their oil changes to help flush varnish, etc. I've done the top end of a few Rover V-8's. They are prone to sludge - especially with the 8K recommended oil changes -sigh. These beasts don't have hollow push rods like the later Chevy SB, so oiling of the top end is not flushed as well. I've never replace the push rods or rockers unless you are going to an extreme lift cam or something. There really isn't much wear. I would throw in a new cam, lifters, and a true-roller chain & sprocket set. You might want to throw in an oil pump rebuild kit while you have the front cover off. If the engine has over heated, check the rockers for changes in color. If they are suspect, get a new set. I know Summit Racing carries the chain & sprocket set. They might also carry the rockers and lifters. (It is a Buick / Olds 215). RPI use to be the cheapest for cams, but not sure now with the Awesome exchange rate! Hope this helps. Take care, Kelly Minnick > Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:30:47 -0500 > From: "GrannyP" > Subject: To flush or not to flush > > Sorry for cross-posting two lists but some whose opinions I value are on > each but not both. > > Ziggy, my '92 RRC (135,000 miles on original engine), seems to be > enjoying a [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] > > Several sources strongly cautioned against flushing an engine > (seems to me I > did it once to some vehicle, with no resulting problems), that it > can cause > more damage than it can do good, that it may loosen chunks of sludge that > are too large and that those can cause damage to bearings, etc. Some say > that it can blow gaskets, too. Not very appealing prospects, methinks! > Therefore, I'm somewhat put off the idea. Still, I'd like to hear from [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Jan 31 10:18:36 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0VFIaa9008385 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:18:36 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0VFIa50008384 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:18:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:18:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200501311518.j0VFIam6008380@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "rupert j" <0792@medicineshoppe.com> To: Subject: RE: The cattle herd is getting bigger... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 39 lines filtered. ] Charles, Check with the county AG dept. for a "Brand Marshall" who can tell you of your and the owners (of the "lost" cattle) rights and obligations. Rupert From bens Mon Jan 31 11:24:12 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0VGOCa9011066 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:24:12 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0VGOCum011065 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:24:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:24:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200501311624.j0VGOBZx011061@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: To flush or not to flush Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Granville, You "could" just replace the offending lifter, but the question becomes...does ship-fitters disease run strong in your blood? Harrr, Avast, where's me parrot? argh. From bens Mon Jan 31 11:47:24 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0VGlOa9012057 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:47:24 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0VGlOxC012056 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:47:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:47:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200501311647.j0VGlNxo012052@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Used D90 in L.G. for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Whilst cruising down the main drag Sun. A.M., I espied a bonnie, bone stock Epsom Green D90 with a big FOR SALE sign and phone number. A message was left on the answering machine to call back. Minutes passed, then hours. Sometime in the afternoon, I was aroused from my torpor by the lilt of a cell phonic melody. SHE was on the phone. She who-will-not-be-named! What year? 97. How many miles? 17,5000. "Hmmm" says I. How much? $48.5. ............long pause..............."48.5?" says I. ""Aye" she says. "I see" says me. ......more pausing...."I turned down an offer of $43.5" she says, "So, if I don't get my price, I'll be O.K. with driving it". I made a few comments hinting it might be a "bit" overpriced, but she started getting huffy and defensive...the way women can. We parted cordially. So if anyone has some chump change, and wants a stock D90, there you go.( I got the number at home.) From bens Mon Jan 31 12:21:34 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0VHLYa9013515 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:21:34 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0VHLYiC013514 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:21:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:21:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200501311721.j0VHLYZB013510@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: To flush or not to flush Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Gran, I have a noise similar to what you described on my 4.2. I have had several opinions as to what it is, including noisy lifter, bad rocker, exhaust leak, and my favorite - that all 4.2s make that noise. Having replaced the head gaskets on my old 89 Range Rover, I am extremely reluctant to ever dig into a Rover V8 again. It might be cheaper to buy a well-cared-for Classic that has fewer miles on it, but those are getting hard to come by these days. I am thinking about getting a RR 4.6 instead of trying to fix this problem. If you do decide to get into the lifters, I would at least replace the cam and timing chain as well. I was amazed at how much sludge there was in my engine - it made me a believer in synthetic oil for Rover V8s. It also made me think I would have been better off rebuilding the whole engine. James From bens Mon Jan 31 14:10:04 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0VJA4a9018059 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:10:04 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0VJA4Of018058 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:10:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:10:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200501311910.j0VJA4ht018054@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Used D90 in L.G. for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Eric Johnson wrote: > Epsom Green D90 with a big FOR SALE > > >How much? $48.5. ............ > >So if anyone has some chump change, and wants a stock D90, there you >go.( I got the number at home.) > > Or better yet call me. :-) Stella's not stock and for over $50k I could probably convince Stephanie to consider a different daily commuter. Bruce From bens Mon Jan 31 14:20:04 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0VJK4a9018484 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:20:04 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0VJK4hw018483 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:20:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:20:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200501311920.j0VJK4S4018479@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Used D90 in L.G. for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, O.K. but I get a finders fee.....Si? no? >>> brbonar@value.net 01/31/05 11:10 AM >>> Eric Johnson wrote: > Epsom Green D90 with a big FOR SALE > > >How much? $48.5. ............ > >So if anyone has some chump change, and wants a stock D90, there you >go.( I got the number at home.) > > Or better yet call me. :-) Stella's not stock and for over $50k I could probably convince Stephanie to consider a different daily commuter. Bruce From bens Mon Jan 31 14:38:03 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0VJc3a9019230 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:38:03 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0VJc3mI019229 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:38:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:38:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200501311938.j0VJc2Tt019225@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: hipine@att.net To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: To flush or not to flush Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html ] [ 23 lines filtered. ] Here's my thinkin' On the flush: If you want to try it, okay, but I'd only do it with some over the counter additive, or Kelly's Bosch system, whatever that is. Not some home brew that Cletus said "..routed out the 9N real good..." That motor likely does need lifters at the mileage it has. I wouldn't go the whole system all at once, simply because the rockers may be fine and they can be changed through the valve covers later if you want. If it were me, I'd probably wait and see how long before it got REALLY annoying to me. And in the mean time I'd squirrel away a cam, set of lifters, roller timing chain and gears, and oil pump bits. Nothing like being prepared to be sure you'll never have to do the job. But if the ime comes, I'd swap out the cam, lifters, and timing parts. Rest of teh valve train can be done later if desired. Heck, bring the parts to Mendo. Couple 'o tarps and some help from the Hellas and we could git 'er done. -Dave G. From bens Mon Jan 31 15:05:26 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0VK5Qa9020479 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:05:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0VK5QZo020478 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:05:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:05:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200501312005.j0VK5Pvb020470@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "GrannyP" To: Subject: Re: To flush or not to flush Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Heck, bring the parts to Mendo. Couple 'o tarps and some > help from the Hellas and we could git 'er done. Ah, that's the old mendo_recce spirit, Dave! Put a smile on my face, that did! Thanks, Granny From bens Mon Jan 31 19:18:20 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j110IKa9030933 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:18:20 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j110IK8s030932 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:18:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:18:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200502010018.j110IKtY030928@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Stuart Ivie" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Quiet list the last few days... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, Maybe you should look into ranching full time. Stu From bens Mon Jan 31 20:46:33 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j111kXa9002272 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:46:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j111kXrs002271 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:46:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:46:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200502010146.j111kXAv002267@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles phu To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Series II/IIA Repair Operation Manual for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 10 lines filtered. ] All new Series II/IIA Repair Operation Manual for sale, never used. Must sell by 2/4, Friday. $60 I am in San Mateo. charles --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' From bens Mon Jan 31 21:05:13 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j1125Ca9003072 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:05:12 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j1125ChI003071 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:05:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:05:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200502010205.j1125Ch2003067@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Stuart Ivie" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Mojave trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org What are the dates for the Mojave trip? Stu "...and that's how you tell a prostitute from a police officer." - South Park's Mr. Garrison From bens Mon Jan 31 21:21:35 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j112LZa9003765 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:21:35 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j112LZH4003764 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:21:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:21:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200502010221.j112LYNp003760@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Young To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: To flush or not to flush Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave said: > Here's my thinkin' > > On the flush: If you want to try it, okay, but I'd only do it > with some over the counter additive, or Kelly's Bosch system,] > whatever that is. Not some home brew that Cletus said "..routed out the 9N real good..." ... > Heck, bring the parts to Mendo. Couple 'o tarps and some help from the Hellas and we could git 'er done. Isn't that the same way Cletus does his rebuilds, too? ;-) -John Young From bens Mon Jan 31 22:07:11 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j1137Ba9005630 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:07:11 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j1137BSk005629 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:07:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:07:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200502010307.j1137BER005625@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "joshua fischer" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Mojave trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Stu, I believe the dates for the Mojave Trip are the 19th, 20th and 21st of Feb. (Presidents' weekend). Josh _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From bens Mon Jan 31 23:34:55 2005 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j114Yta9009126 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 23:34:55 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j114Ytdh009125 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 23:34:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 23:34:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200502010434.j114Ysx7009121@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Re: Kevin's garage cabinets...was RE: RR LWB No Go Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I wrote: > P.S. I'm looking for a locking steel cabinet for my garage 6 to 8 feet > tall and 3 to 4 feet wide. Does anyone know of a place > in the Bay > Area that sells used/surplus office furniture Then Tom posted that I should look in to a low cost gun safe, Then Paul wrote: >Hmm! makes sense, as they make a kit to solid-mount said > gun cabinet to the concrete floor! > By the way my dad paid $250 for a USED metal cabinet!! for > the Dragonfly hanger a few years ago! damn high price! I > wanted to buy more for my garage as I had paid ~$50 or so > for the two I have, but that was pre-auction with all the > machine shop stuff too.... > they can/will either take the whole cabinet or break it > open. if they want still(didn't they do that last time?) My goal is to find a nice old, but solid metal cabinet (to bolt to the floor and the wall). I was disappointed at the quality at the new cabinets I saw at Sears and Office Depot. I was told that there is a place in Sacramento that sells a lot of high quality used government surplus office furniture (since our elected officials are constantly remodeling their offices with our tax money). I would love to find a place in the Bay Area that sells decent used stuff for a good price. I would have no problem paying $250 for a well made used cabinet (since that is about what it costs for a low quality new cabinet). Kevin P.S. The locking cabinet in the garage may be over kill now since it is going to be a lot tougher to get in to the garage with the new big galvanized steel auto locking gate at the front of the building...