From bens Tue Jun 1 00:07:29 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5147SQr012256 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 00:07:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5147SMg012255 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 00:07:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 00:07:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200406010407.i5147SOU012251@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Granville" To: Subject: Re: oxygen sensors??? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Paul, > I'm still getting the oxygen sensor code on readout. > I can't find the cross reference with the Nissan part > number for replacement?? anyone? thanks! Not necessarily a bad sensor. I got that message with brand new sensors. With the other symptoms you're having, I'd look elsewhere. Granny From bens Tue Jun 1 00:26:50 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i514QoQr014306 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 00:26:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i514QoCu014305 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 00:26:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 00:26:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200406010426.i514Qo9T014301@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: cirvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: oxygen sensors??? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Paul, CONGRATS on getting the L.B. up and running!!!!!!! On the O-2 sensor warning & popping, check that the injector harness plugs are all plugged into the correct injectors. Also, didja make sure that all gaskets in the exhaust system are nice & tight??? Only other things I can think of, are loose vacum hoses, bad cap or rotor, bad plug wire(s), bad coil, bad coolant temp sensor, bad ground somewhere, or worst-case, a defective ECU. Too many things to check! Charles > > Paul, > > > I'm still getting the oxygen sensor code on readout. > > I can't find the cross reference with the Nissan part > > number for replacement?? anyone? thanks! > > Not necessarily a bad sensor. I got that message with brand new sensors. > With the other symptoms you're having, I'd look elsewhere. [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jun 1 01:05:26 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5155QQr016297 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 01:05:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5155Q6J016296 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 01:05:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 01:05:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200406010505.i5155P7r016292@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "tom walsh" To: Subject: RE: oxygen sensors??? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > I finally got the engine all back together on the '95 > disco! Yeah!! > > Woohoo! even DROVE the Light Brigade a mile or so to test! > ;-) Great! > > I'm still getting the oxygen sensor code on readout. > I can't find the cross reference with the Nissan part > number for replacement?? anyone? thanks! Directly from the D90 faq: You need a M-12 sensor, that is, metric 12 by 1.25 threaded. The Lucas 3LS, heated titania sensors are made by NTK Technical Ceramics, apparently the *only* manufacturer in the world now doing the 12X1.25 size. These are the *three wire* sensors used on OBD-I and previous vhicles. Try any of the following Nissan parts: 226A0-40U60, 22690-88G01, 22690-61A00 or 22960-)M210. All are made by NTK and differ only in the terminal plug. Oh yeah, they differ in price: the Nissan one is around $60. Now if you have the OBD-II system, you need a *four wire* sensor. My crossover number is Nissan 22690-85E10, though I haven't tried it yet. The best price I've found is around $77. The curious thing is *this is the exact same part* save for the terminal plug. Go figure why Rover charges almost three times the price...and that is from after market retailers...direct through the dealer network is even more obscene. > > also am getting popping in exhaust, like there is fuel > there? it appears to be plug related, as when we pull third > of the plugs at idle it doesn't change!!! This could be a function of bad O2 sensors also, it could just be running real rich as a result of what its sensing from the O2 sensors. I don't see how what you said correlates to spark plugs, timing maybe.. TomW From bens Tue Jun 1 09:35:38 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i51DZcQr005234 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 09:35:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i51DZcQh005233 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 09:35:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 09:35:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200406011335.i51DZcPT005229@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Defender Brake Lights Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Do you "know" they both failed at the same time? Or could one have been out a long time? Anyhoo.... Check the connections where the wiring harness plugs into the bulb sockets, and in general any connections you can find near the tail end of the vehicle. The pins in the connectors of my '97 were corroded to beat the band, right off the boat. Check the bulb sockets themselves too. The lenses tend to fill up with water and gunk, corroding the contacts. Good luck! -Dave G. ** Statement from Gambro Corporation ** Confidential and/or privileged information may be contained in this message and any attachments. If you are not the intended recipient you should not copy or forward this message and should destroy it immediately. Any Disclosure, copying, distribution and/or any other use of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. The opinions, conclusions and other information in this message do not necessarily represent the views and/or opinions of the employer. ** End of statement ** From bens Tue Jun 1 09:36:56 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i51DauQr005264 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 09:36:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i51DaunX005263 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 09:36:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 09:36:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200406011336.i51Dattv005259@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Wildly off topic. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Good on you, your lungs, and your knees. Hope you didn't strain anything wrestling that starter loose. Still waiting for the pictures.... -Dave G. ** Statement from Gambro Corporation ** Confidential and/or privileged information may be contained in this message and any attachments. If you are not the intended recipient you should not copy or forward this message and should destroy it immediately. Any Disclosure, copying, distribution and/or any other use of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. The opinions, conclusions and other information in this message do not necessarily represent the views and/or opinions of the employer. ** End of statement ** From bens Tue Jun 1 10:22:52 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i51EMqQr007167 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:22:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i51EMq3n007166 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:22:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:22:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200406011422.i51EMqCP007162@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Defender Brake Lights Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bypass your brake switch and see if you have any lights with the ignition in the on position. If yes you have found the culprit. > No brake lights on my 94 D90. The fuse is good. I haven't pulled one > of the > light fixtures yet but I don't think all of the lights are burnt out. TeriAnn From bens Tue Jun 1 13:24:04 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i51HO4Qr014951 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 13:24:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i51HO4YJ014950 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 13:24:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 13:24:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200406011724.i51HO416014946@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: Blue Lakes trip dates Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks Eric. We'll be there. Shall I bring a shotgun. Are we going to shoot a little skeet in the evening like last year? Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 1:48 PM Subject: Blue Lakes trip dates > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] > [ 42 lines filtered. ] > > > > Are now confirmed as July 10 / 11. This is an official NCRC club trip so > expect a safety inspection and waiver signing prior to starting the trail. [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Hwy. > 88. The trail is at 7'500 feet and is rated moderate difficulty (depending on > your vehicle's equipment). We have led stock Discos and Rangies through many > times without damage, but dings or scratches are always a possibility. you will > definitely be challenged by stock, semi-street tires. Series Landrovers will > of course slice through the trail like a hot knife through butter. > > As always, Brigid and I will be pleased to host any and all club members who > care to come by our cabin in the foothills Friday night. It makes the Saturday > morning launch much more civilized (around 0730) as the trailhead is only 1 > 1/2 hours away. BBQ and tall tales on the back deck...as an added bonus we'll > be barrel tasting our very first year's production of Syrah. > > > Come by anytime Friday, we have 20 acres of Landrover parking / camping > space. I'll post directions to both the trailhead and our house as time draws near. > > > Eric Cope > > 1232 Appaloosa Road > Angels Camp, CA. 95222 > Home phone: 209-736-9279 > Cell phone: 209-988-2842 > E-mail: BwanaE@aol.com [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jun 1 14:31:15 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i51IVFQr017979 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:31:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i51IVFn4017978 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:31:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:31:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200406011831.i51IVFd1017974@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Brian" To: Subject: Auto Transport Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I know this has been beat into the ground, but I need referrals for car transport from Albuquerque NM to Irvine CA. Go ahead and email me direct rather than fill the list up with emails. Brian Foster roundel@hotmail.com From bens Tue Jun 1 14:51:39 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i51IpdQr018842 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:51:39 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i51IpdEq018841 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:51:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:51:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200406011851.i51Ipd6K018837@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Bob and Sue B To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cc: "Brian" Subject: Re: Auto Transport Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Brian, I saved these a while back: Bob B From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: RE: Shipping a vehicle cross country Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org X-pstn-levels: (S:54.14295/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:100.0000 C:78.1961 ) X-pstn-settings: 5 (2.0000:8.0000) r p m C X-pstn-addresses: from [3811/168] I used Dependable Auto Shippers to move my RR and 110 from CA to NC. Total cost (door to door) was $1790. http://www.dasautoshippers.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Also this: Most companies are just dispatchers for independent contractors that actually do the hauling.... that being said, A2B Auto Shippers has moved a couple of rovers for me with no problems. I don't have any contact info, but I'm sure you can find something on the web. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And this: Shorty's Heavy Hauling Wrecker Service Charged me $675 to ship the 91 RRC from Philly to Mtn. View. 800-784-1412 http://www.shortystowing.com - Gabe At 02:31 PM 6/1/2004 -0400, you wrote: >I know this has been beat into the ground, but I need referrals for car >transport from Albuquerque NM to Irvine CA. Go ahead and email me direct >rather than fill the list up with emails. > >Brian Foster >roundel@hotmail.com From bens Tue Jun 1 15:06:45 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i51J6jQr019512 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:06:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i51J6jdE019511 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:06:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:06:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200406011906.i51J6jxK019507@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Sighting in Growlersberg(Georgetown) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org One the main drag to the Rubicon, just past the business district, on the left. A S2A 109" w/tropical roof, engine conversion - Chevy 250, but maybe a V-8 - light brownish olive latex. Non-stock seats. Behind that is a white S2A 88. Looks like more of a parts car for the 109. Who is in Georgetown? (Originally named Growlersberg, 'cuz the nuggets were so big, they'd make a growling sound as they were swirled around in the pan.) From bens Tue Jun 1 15:24:39 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i51JOdQr020204 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:24:39 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i51JOdXS020203 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:24:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:24:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200406011924.i51JOcti020199@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Chris De Jesus" To: Subject: Re: Blue Lakes trip dates Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Eric, I too will be attending and look forward to an exciting weekend. I did not attend last year's trip, but took part in the 2002 trek. Look forward to seeing everyone and having a great time Friday evening. Not sure if I am riding solo or bringing a co-pilot. Regards, Chris DeJesus Mudy_ovl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 10:24 AM Subject: Re: Blue Lakes trip dates > > Thanks Eric. We'll be there. Shall I bring a shotgun. Are we going to shoot > a little skeet in the evening like last year? > Mark > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 1:48 PM > Subject: Blue Lakes trip dates > [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] trail. > [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] > Hwy. > > 88. The trail is at 7'500 feet and is rated moderate difficulty (depending > on > > your vehicle's equipment). We have led stock Discos and Rangies through > many > > times without damage, but dings or scratches are always a possibility. you > will > > definitely be challenged by stock, semi-street tires. Series Landrovers > will > > of course slice through the trail like a hot knife through butter. > > > > As always, Brigid and I will be pleased to host any and all club members > who > > care to come by our cabin in the foothills Friday night. It makes the > Saturday [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] only > 1 > > 1/2 hours away. BBQ and tall tales on the back deck...as an added bonus > we'll > > be barrel tasting our very first year's production of Syrah. > > > > > > Come by anytime Friday, we have 20 acres of Landrover parking / camping > > space. I'll post directions to both the trailhead and our house as time > draws near. [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jun 1 15:42:48 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i51JgmQr021119 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:42:48 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i51JgmYW021118 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:42:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:42:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200406011942.i51JglPa021114@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: in the mendo Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hmmm. Imagine standing downwind of that fire!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob and Sue B" To: Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 9:41 AM Subject: in the mendo > > Hi, > I heard on the news last week that the Glenn county sheriffs with help from > the feds busted a marijuana farm in the Mendocino Nat Forest. > 1200 plants were burned. The armed guards got away in the woods. They were > suspected to be part of a gang in Mexico. > It was in Logan basin. On the map, I find something Logan just north of > Hull mountain near Hull's grave, which is just north of Lake Pillsbury. > It's getting closer to the Sullivan ridge area. > Every year the Tehama county to the north destroys a lot but I haven't > heard much about Glenn county. > Bob B [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jun 1 15:44:03 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i51Ji2Qr021139 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:44:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i51Ji2aJ021138 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:44:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:44:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200406011944.i51Ji2fd021134@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org yesterday, on hiway 80 in Sacramento 2 PM. white classic rangie towing boat. License plate frame said Rover North. eric, growlersberg? didn't know that. cheers, john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens Tue Jun 1 16:09:32 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i51K9WQr022222 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:09:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i51K9Wh2022221 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:09:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:09:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200406012009.i51K9VDQ022217@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: in the mendo Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org theory was with enough heat it doesn't give off the same results...besides they also use gasoline, don't they? I recall a story about a town somewhere where they just burned it outside.....upwind of the town...oops! ;-) think everyone was walking around happy anad lookng for food...anyone else remember that? was about twenty years ago prolly...the local press had fun with that one! paul --- Mark Pilkington wrote: > > Hmmm. Imagine standing downwind of that fire!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob and Sue B" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 9:41 AM > Subject: in the mendo > [ 22 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jun 1 16:26:02 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i51KQ2Qr023059 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:26:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i51KQ2d8023058 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:26:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:26:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200406012026.i51KQ2ut023054@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Young To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Stuff... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TomW wrote: > I can see a new marketing oportunity here: > > "Lunix, an OS for Lunatics" :) > > While we're at it: > > theres Unix for Eunichs :) > > Macs for hacks :) [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Oh yes you can. MicroSloth's next version of Windoze is code-named 'Longhorn'. So I figure copy like: "Longhorn... so much more bull!" "Longhorn... even MORE BULL than before!!" "Longhorn! It's a LOAD of bull..." -John Young (Linux and Solaris, only.) From bens Tue Jun 1 18:19:45 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i51MJjQr027724 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:19:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i51MJjj2027723 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:19:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:19:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200406012219.i51MJjmX027719@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: James Howard To: mendo Subject: Bye for now Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I am going to drop off the list for a while. Things are a little hectic on the job front, and I could use one less pleasant distraction. 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Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From bens Tue Jun 1 19:46:51 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i51NkpQr031384 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:46:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i51NkpUF031383 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:46:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:46:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200406012346.i51Nkojp031379@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: shukait@mac.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: LR3 Reveal Video Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ image/gif; ] [ 8 lines filtered. ] --Apple-Mail-14-452338308 charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I got this from Land Rover this afternoon. Land Rover Quote: "See for yourself. The response surrounding the unveiling of the all-new Land Rover LR3 at the New York Auto Show has been overwhelming. This exclusive video capturing the LR3 reveal will help you better understand what the commotion is all about." --Apple-Mail-14-452338308 charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed http://apps.us.landrover.com/lr_videos/lr3_reveal/video.asp? sReferrer=E_LR3FirstTouch_FV_LR3Video_20040520 Cheers, Keith & Pam Shukait 1997 Land Rover Discovery XD "YLLWJKT" 1969 Land Rover Series IIA ExMoD 109 Regular "Millie" 1967 Land Rover Series IIA NADA 6 Cylinder Dormobile "Indiana" --Apple-Mail-14-452338308-- From bens Tue Jun 1 19:47:36 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i51NlaQr031401 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:47:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i51NlaU1031400 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:47:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:47:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200406012347.i51NlZ1x031396@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: Re: selector shaft woes--solved!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Wow, what a process.. Thanks to all those who gave suggestions.. Turns out it was simpler (read as much longer to diagnose) than the clutch, or the selector shafts themselves..wasn't even the forks.. There is a bolt to retard the 2nd gear shaft from moving too far forward. It is visible by removing the cover plate which sits atop the fork selector housing. I had provided myself, and you all, with a slightly incorrect piece of data. And as such, went off in a direction of diagnosis that wasted a lot of my time. A great lesson learned (a la Peter Faulk in Colombo) about premature conclusions. Seems that the 1st/2nd shifter shaft is indeed adjacent to the reverse shaft, even though the positions on the gear shift knob have them at the outside edges. When I realized that they are next to each other, I went back and examined anything that they share that would make 2nd and reverse unobtainable. Wanna guess? Yes, that's right. The little bolt (8mm head) had fallen out, and slid under the shifter arms sideways, and was not visible. It actually formed a mechanical blockage that prevented the shafts from sliding back!! One hour to diagnose, 10 seconds to get the bolt out of the chamber with a magnetic flex tool,1 hour to make a tool that allowed me to replace the bolt, 10 minutes to repair....bada bing, bada boom....tranny is fine, clutch is fine.. On the road again.. Cheers, Daniel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob and Sue B" To: Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 6:48 AM Subject: Re: selector shaft woes > > Daniel, > The common thing with the selector shafts is the interlocks on the top of > the tranny. > I guess they could cause a problem, but they are contained in the cover and > shouldn't change. > If it were caused by the interlocks, I think you could get into what ever > gear shares the rod. So if first works, then second should also. That could > block out the other rods. > If you tear into them, Watch out for the small parts that can fall out when > you remove the top. > > Probably something inside. > > Bob B > > At 09:55 PM 5/27/2004 -0400, Daniel wrote: > > [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jun 2 01:10:31 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i525AVQr013841 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 01:10:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i525AVlS013840 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 01:10:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 01:10:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200406020510.i525AUTE013836@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: How about this Mendo folks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Since we are talking about what ever come to mind rover or not, here is mine: Can we keep this list specific to rover questions and support? Yes, I can exercise the delete key and I have; and yes I can get off the list and I have done that and got back on and want off again! But, I don't think walking away is right, unless everyone is happy with the format of more off than on topic posts. So I put this out to see. Thanks for the bandwidth. Mehdi On the mendo list for about 8 years now. 93 D110- Gone 73 SIII, 88 59 SII, 109 Gone last week 56 SI, 86 67 SIIa, 109SW with Chevy V8 From bens Wed Jun 2 02:09:03 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i52693Qr016080 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 02:09:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i52693iL016079 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 02:09:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 02:09:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200406020609.i52692J0016075@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Millie is for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, If your able to spread the word on for us, we'd be very grateful. 1969 Series IIA 109 ExMoD Pick-up: Over the past three years I've done the following; rebuilt front and rear axles, new front wheel cylinders, turned drums, new brake shoes, three new flex brakes lines, new rear wheel bearings and races, rebuilt 4:70 diffs at Rearend Specialties in Santa Clara, new rear axle shafts and seals, new distributor, coil, plugs, wires, carb, Interstate battery, 5 new Dunlop Radial Rover RT 7.5x16 tires. Solid waxoiled frame and straight body. The soft top is in great shape and I just bought a pick-up cab. $14,950, open to offers. There's more pictures at: http://homepage.mac.com/shukait/PhotoAlbum26.html Thank you, Keith & Pam Shukait 1997 Land Rover Discovery XD "YLLWJKT" 1969 Land Rover Series IIA ExMoD 109 Regular "Millie" 1967 Land Rover Series IIA NADA 6 Cylinder Dormobile "Indiana" From bens Wed Jun 2 02:32:45 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i526WjQr017090 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 02:32:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i526Wj9P017089 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 02:32:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 02:32:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200406020632.i526WjUe017085@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Granville" To: Subject: Re: How about this Mendo folks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mehdi asked: > Can we keep this list specific to rover questions and support? Yes, I > can exercise the delete key and I have; and yes I can get off the list > and I have done that and got back on and want off again! What a wonderful idea! Granny From bens Wed Jun 2 02:36:01 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i526a1Qr017296 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 02:36:01 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i526a1b2017295 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 02:36:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 02:36:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200406020636.i526a1ME017291@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Granville" To: Subject: Re: Sighting in Growlersberg(Georgetown) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org His name is Glenn Bingham. I used to own that 109, many years ago. It's a Euro '68 and has a Chevy 250 6-cylinder engine (Scotty conversion). I can tell more about it another time. Granny > One the main drag to the Rubicon, just past the business district, on the left. A S2A 109" w/tropical roof, engine conversion - Chevy 250, but maybe a V-8 - light brownish olive latex. Non-stock seats. Behind that is a white S2A 88. Looks like more of a parts car for the 109. > > Who is in Georgetown? (Originally named Growlersberg, 'cuz the nuggets were so big, they'd make a growling sound as they were swirled around in the pan.) > > From bens Wed Jun 2 10:44:36 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i52EiZQr004838 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:44:35 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i52EiZQt004837 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:44:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:44:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200406021444.i52EiZ9m004833@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: cirvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: How about this Mendo folks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Good idea - but with all the Series trucks (and others) that are being sold lately by people on-list, the number of Rover owners (or running-Rover owners) on-list is getting smaller! Charles > > Since we are talking about what ever come to mind rover or not, here is > mine: > > > Can we keep this list specific to rover questions and support? Yes, I > can exercise the delete key and I have; and yes I can get off the list > and I have done that and got back on and want off again! > [ 16 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jun 2 10:45:34 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i52EjYQr005039 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:45:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i52EjYg1005038 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:45:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:45:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200406021445.i52EjYaO005034@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: selector shaft woes--solved!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Congrats Daniel!!! Job well done! ;-) paul --- Daniel Oppenheim wrote: From bens Wed Jun 2 10:58:23 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i52EwNQr005523 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:58:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i52EwMJj005518 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:58:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:58:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200406021458.i52EwLJT005514@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: How about this Mendo folks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Here, here....I don't mind the IT gang, as long as it's not a big multi-day discussion on some obscure bit rate of an obsolete computer. I use the delete key. >>> msandcdg@sbcglobal.net 06/01/04 10:10PM >>> Since we are talking about what ever come to mind rover or not, here is mine: Can we keep this list specific to rover questions and support? Yes, I can exercise the delete key and I have; and yes I can get off the list and I have done that and got back on and want off again! But, I don't think walking away is right, unless everyone is happy with the format of more off than on topic posts. So I put this out to see. Thanks for the bandwidth. Mehdi On the mendo list for about 8 years now. 93 D110- Gone 73 SIII, 88 59 SII, 109 Gone last week 56 SI, 86 67 SIIa, 109SW with Chevy V8 From bens Wed Jun 2 11:10:38 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i52FAcQr006154 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:10:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i52FAc12006153 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:10:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:10:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200406021510.i52FAbmd006149@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: BwanaE@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Blue Lakes trip and guns Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 28 lines filtered. ] Thank you Mark for reminding me as I forgot to include that tidbit in my previous posting. Anyone who cares to can bring along their shotguns for a little sporting clays practice in the front pasture on Friday afternoon. I do have a couple of cases of clays but if someone can grab some more it would be appreciated...we use the biodegradable type called "Bios". Lead shot is fine, try and use size 7 or 8 as anything larger tends to carry too far and poses a safety hazard. For anybody lacking a shotgun, we have a moderate selection of English doubles in 12 bore available...the rental fee is a bottle of your favorite wine. Eric Cope 1232 Appaloosa Road Angels Camp, CA. 95222 Home phone: 209-736-9279 Cell phone: 209-988-2842 E-mail: BwanaE@aol.com From bens Wed Jun 2 12:00:15 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i52G0FQr008266 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:00:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i52G0Fu4008265 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:00:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:00:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200406021600.i52G0EV6008261@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: LR3 Reveal Video Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I wonder if "and this is just the start, ladies and gentleman" means that they will make a US Defender? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 4:46 PM Subject: LR3 Reveal Video > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ image/gif; ] > [ 8 lines filtered. ] > > --Apple-Mail-14-452338308 > charset=US-ASCII; > format=flowed > [ 28 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jun 2 12:11:07 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i52GB7Qr008853 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:11:07 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i52GB7c9008852 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:11:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:11:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200406021611.i52GB6tn008848@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: Blue Lakes trip and guns Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org OK, I'll bring a case of clays > Thank you Mark for reminding me as I forgot to include that tidbit in my > previous posting. Anyone who cares to can bring along their shotguns for a little > sporting clays practice in the front pasture on Friday afternoon. I do have a > couple of cases of clays but if someone can grab some more it would be > appreciated...we use the biodegradable type called "Bios". Lead shot is fine, try and > use size 7 or 8 as anything larger tends to carry too far and poses a safety > hazard. For anybody lacking a shotgun, we have a moderate selection of English > doubles in 12 bore available...the rental fee is a bottle of your favorite > wine. > > Eric Cope > > 1232 Appaloosa Road > Angels Camp, CA. 95222 > Home phone: 209-736-9279 > Cell phone: 209-988-2842 [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jun 2 12:17:41 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i52GHfQr009136 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:17:41 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i52GHfJj009135 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:17:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:17:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200406021617.i52GHf4m009131@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: hipine@att.net To: mendo_recce@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org Subject: RE: How about this Mendo folks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org IMHO, a little gentle off topic ribbing of Charles' computer woes, or Zack's knobby knees is just filler for when there's no good Rover stuff going around. Personally, I enjoy that more than links to why Ford's so proud of their latest space age mall crawler. But to each his own. There's a little of everything here, just like the virtual pub that is our model. But do be kind to the digesters and trim your replies.... You know what....it's time to take my own advice and do the best kind of trimming I can do and switch my subscription away from my work address. That stupid disclaimer must be a real drag to digesters (hell, it's a drag to ME and I get the inviduals). Let's see what I can do.... There...maybe that's better.... - -Dave G. ------- End of Forwarded Message From bens Wed Jun 2 12:21:29 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i52GLTQr009376 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:21:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i52GLTdK009375 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:21:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:21:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200406021621.i52GLSwv009371@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Jason Pipes" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: LR3 Reveal Video Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org No, it means they plan to ruin everything Land Rover ever stood for and bastardize and waterdown every design choice they come up with. "Unlike any other SUV today" my ass. More like, a copy of every bad SUV design element on the market with a wiff for former LR style thrown in. Jason > > I wonder if "and this is just the start, ladies and gentleman" means that > they will make a US Defender? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 4:46 PM > Subject: LR3 Reveal Video > > [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com From bens Wed Jun 2 12:33:46 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i52GXkQr009838 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:33:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i52GXkHR009837 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:33:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:33:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200406021633.i52GXk9F009833@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: For those desperate for Rover content Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This is Rover related because this is where we use our vehicles. Granville put together a request to help fix this trail so that Rovers could use it. Here is a well written explanation of the trail usage from the forest service. In regard to your request to open the slide on trail 04, there are some considerations that need to be taken into account. Currently, this trail's primary use is designated for vehicles less than 50". The route has been used over the years in numerous enduro events and has traditionally been recognized and maintained as a single track experience. Prior to 1996 this trail was a fairly tight single track defined by tree and brush incursions into the original road width.. During the "Fork Fire" in '96, this route was bladed open as a primary fire break by D-6 dozers, except for opening the slide area above Redrock. The Forest Service intended to return this trail to a single track experience, and quite frankly, the dozer operators were unable to work the slide due to safety concerns. Although our current trail management objective is to keep this route in a single track status, there is some support for widening this route to serve as a fuel break and firebreak by the private property owners in the area. This of course is contingent upon funding availability and public input via the NEPA process. Unless this route is ultimately designated as a fuelbreak or 4x4 route, our charge and intentions are to continue manage it as a motorcycle only trail. We appreciate your offer to assist in a project of this magnitude and will certainly be in touch with your group if the prescription for this trail should change to 4X4 (fuelbreak). For those of you who don't know this trail is the first trail out of Cedar camp when you turn left. It is before the water crossing. -Rob From bens Wed Jun 2 12:57:44 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i52GviQr010862 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:57:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i52Gvi5T010861 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:57:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:57:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200406021657.i52GvhAq010854@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: LR3 Reveal Video Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org But, what we must remember is that the British Army use Land Rovers and they have a huge say in what the Defender replacement will be, plus the rural community of point to pointers and farmers etc etc in Britain still will need a utility type Land Rover. Watch, I bet there is something in the works. It won't a Series IIa with coil springs, but it should fill that niche. They can't be that stupid to ignore a whole market. Chrysler make tiny niche market vehicles. The design today is so computerised that it is fast and easy to make a complete new model in months. Just a few thoughts with no real basis behind them except for the fact that I am British and know the British market and rural scene very well. Kind regards, Mark Pilkington. ============================================================== No, it means they plan to ruin everything Land Rover ever stood for and bastardize and waterdown every design choice they come up with. "Unlike any other SUV today" my ass. More like, a copy of every bad SUV design element on the market with a wiff for former LR style thrown in. I wonder if "and this is just the start, ladies and gentleman" means that they will make a US Defender? From bens Wed Jun 2 13:16:31 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i52HGVQr011746 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:16:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i52HGV6T011745 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:16:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:16:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200406021716.i52HGU2S011741@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: How about this Mendo folks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I wholeheartedly aggree with Dave here....if it was just pure "usefull" land-rover content, the number of e-mails would dwindle down to three a week like it has done in the past...this is a family of friends who are hooked together by our love for teh old beasties(and new) even with the off-topic postings, there is still very little bandwith being used...what really is teh problem? I see this om many lists with people bitching, and just don't understand...pure content is too dry as there is not enough banter these days as most uf us have figured out how to do most things eight plus years ago...anyone have those old digests? there used to be a lot of mendo traffic back than... Paul --- hipine@att.net wrote: > > > IMHO, a little gentle off topic ribbing of Charles' > computer woes, or Zack's knobby knees is just filler for > when there's no good Rover stuff going around. > Personally, I enjoy that more than links to why Ford's so > proud of their latest space age mall crawler. But to > each his own. There's a little of everything here, just > like the virtual pub that is our model. > But do be kind to the digesters and trim your replies.... like this..... SNIP! > There...maybe that's better.... > - -Dave G. From bens Wed Jun 2 13:21:32 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i52HLWQr011974 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:21:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i52HLWmj011973 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:21:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:21:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200406021721.i52HLV3k011969@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: Mendo Subject: thought this of interest to some!! Fwd: SPECIAL OFFERS AT PADDOCK SPARES Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just got the latest from Paddock Spares. If I was still in the bay area, I'd suggest a group purchase, but maybe some of y'all will still want to do so? (maybe we need to do a central CA purchase too soon?) Paul --- rob@paddockspares.com wrote: > To: "Paul" > From: rob@paddockspares.com > Subject: SPECIAL OFFERS AT PADDOCK SPARES > Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 23:14:38 -0700 (PDT) -This is the message header-- ****URGENT NEWS**** Visit www.paddockspares.com to see our new Special Offers. Some of the best prices and deals we have ever been able to offer. Including: - CV Joints at only £25.00 plus VAT each - Brake Discs from only £8.00 plus VAT each - Armstrong Shock Absorbers at only £7.00 plus VAT each - The famous BA121 Bearmach Diff Guard at only £15.00 plus VAT - Series Radiators from only £35.00 plus VAT - Britpart Swivel Grease at only £3.00 plus VAT per tube These offers are not to be missed and are available for a limited period only. Visit www.paddockspares.com NOW! Paddock Spares The Showground The Cliff Matlock Derbyshire DE4 5EW Tel: 08454 584499 Fax: 08454 584498 E-mail: sales@paddockspares.com From bens Wed Jun 2 13:42:21 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i52HgLQr012873 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:42:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i52HgLPN012872 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:42:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:42:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200406021742.i52HgLIw012868@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: How about this Mendo folks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200406021716.i52HGU2S011741@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org>you wrote: > even with the > off-topic postings, there is still very little bandwith > being used...what really is teh problem? Lists have livetimes. First there is excitement, lots of posts, lots of new people. Then the list in middle age dies down a bit as people have said alot of what they wanted to say. New people bring in new conversations. Old members drift away, get bored or get out of the activity of the list. In order to sustain content people have to post new posts and not just comment on existing threads. Otherwise the list will get quieter and quieter until the last one here will turn out the lights. In the early days of the list people didn't know each other. All of the places to explore were new and different. Trips would be organized here. Trips would be reported here. With the advent of NCRC more organizing went through the club. The club has a web forum so some posts end up there instead of on mendo. Plus there are a plethera of other lists for people to be on. Why post on mendo about 101FC vampires when one can post on the vampire list or one of the two 101 lists? As people get on more lists the post less on all of them. Once upon a time TeriAnn, Dixon Kenner, Sandy Grice and I were 40% of the traffic on the LRO list. Dixon is on digest and posts once a year at most, I read it from time to time, Sandy is around but quieter. Only TeriAnn is a regular poster. It's the way things go. As for me the LR front progresses. I used the 101 to truck up to Rhinebeck, NY to help a camp that I went to as a wee lad fill a 40 yard dumpster with crap. The 101 got loaded with useful stuff too. $50 to almost fill the tank with gas was an eyeopener. Dora progresses. I did an oil check the other night. I filled the system with oil. Hooked up the battery and solinoid. And used a switch to turn over the engine (no sparkplugs) until I saw oil appear at the rockers. Then I heard the oil hitting the floor. It seems the bolt to secure the rear tappet bay was AWOL. A nice 1 foot diameter Exxon Valdiz on the floor. The bolt was found and she held oil. The rot it nt he breakfast has been cut out and new steel welded in. And painted sky blue. The radiator is on the breakfast. I was cleaning and painting the steering relay arms and some brakets last night. The rad is now mounted to the breakfast. I'm hopeing to get the relay in tonight and the breakfast/radiator in. I'm looking forward to trying to start the engine in a few days. Then it will be brake lines, mounting the rear tub, and fixing up the bulkhead. I'd like to get this all running in 3 weeks, but we'll see what happens. So see, nothing all that exciting. Projects move forward. Ben From bens Wed Jun 2 16:40:45 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i52KejQr020667 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:40:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i52Keje1020666 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:40:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:40:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200406022040.i52Kej2Z020662@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: hipine@att.net To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: How about this Mendo folks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...I wholeheartedly aggree with Dave here..." But aparently not on the part about trimming your posts. :^) More in the spirit of gentle ribbing. -Dave G. From bens Wed Jun 2 16:45:31 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i52KjVQr020877 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:45:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i52KjVkb020876 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:45:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:45:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200406022045.i52KjV7b020872@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: hipine@att.net To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: List mechanics Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ben, did you have to pull some strings to get my posts originating from my web-access of my e-mail account to come through the list? If so, thanks for your help. I know when I use web access that the Yahoo groups bounce my posts. For some reason they don't look just like the ones that come from my actual computer at home. Thanks again for helping me ditch that stupid disclaimer. -Dave G. From bens Wed Jun 2 17:23:49 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i52LNnQr022394 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 17:23:49 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i52LNnhh022393 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 17:23:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 17:23:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200406022123.i52LNmXU022389@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Joe Ward To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Adjusting parking brake Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Does it supposed to go: Tight .. Loose .. Tight .. Loose and make the sound: ----- .. Clunk .. ----- .. Clunk while you turn the adjuster screw? Hope so, afterall it did. Joe Ward '67 NADA 109 Oakland, Ca From bens Wed Jun 2 17:46:20 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i52LkKQr023441 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 17:46:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i52LkKhl023440 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 17:46:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 17:46:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200406022146.i52LkJLX023436@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: Adjusting parking brake Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well kind of You are adjustment you are turning is inside two wedges. There is a resting position which is where it should seem looser. Each click essentialy pushes these wedges further out, which in turn pushed the ends on the brake shoes out, closer to the drum. I recently had mine apart fixing a nut that had come off. Use lock tite on the nuts that hold the cam on the backing plate. -Rob Does it supposed to go: Tight .. Loose .. Tight .. Loose and make the sound: ----- .. Clunk .. ----- .. Clunk while you turn the adjuster screw? Hope so, afterall it did. Joe Ward '67 NADA 109 Oakland, Ca From bens Wed Jun 2 18:23:04 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i52MN4Qr024907 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:23:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i52MN4dc024906 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:23:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:23:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200406022223.i52MN3jA024902@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: Seats for a series Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have been considering new seats for Regent, as his current ones are just a little too restrictive. Besttop has some nice ones for Jeeps.http://www.bestop.com/trailmax_seats/index.shtml The heated ones run around $300 each. Or I can pick up some used Freelander heated seats for around $450(pair). I liked the Freelander seats when I got one as a loaner when Rocklin was resetting the RR Air suspension. Any one have anything bad to say about the freelander seats? The material was very interesting. Right now I even have a choice of cream or Black... -Rob From bens Wed Jun 2 18:48:06 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i52Mm6Qr025937 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:48:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i52Mm6dZ025936 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:48:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:48:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200406022248.i52Mm6IO025932@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: carl kruger To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: more Rover content Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi All- I am preparing to remove the hardtop from my series 3 88 this summer and had a question regarding the windscreen. When it is folded over, what holds it down? I know the old J**ps have a hook on the hood. What secures it in the down position? Does it rest on the bonnet mounted spare? Just wondering, I don't think I will fold it forward but was curious. regards, Carl From bens Wed Jun 2 18:56:16 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i52MuGQr026330 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:56:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i52MuGha026329 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:56:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:56:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200406022256.i52MuFf7026325@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: more Rover content Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 22 lines filtered. ] From bens Wed Jun 2 18:57:39 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i52MvdQr026346 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:57:39 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i52MvdAS026345 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:57:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:57:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200406022257.i52Mvd5X026341@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: more Rover content Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 22 lines filtered. ] I've driven once with it down resting on the hood mounted spare, and I just tightened the hinges back up(series III) If I were driving on the freeway I would want to tie it down. -Rob From bens Wed Jun 2 19:28:31 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i52NSVQr027579 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:28:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i52NSUSk027578 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:28:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:28:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200406022328.i52NSUnB027574@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: "mendo_recce@fourfold.org" Subject: sightings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org 8:30 am Sunday in El Monte on I-10 westbound: a auto hauler with a D110 and 5 non-descript sedans. Ten minutes later, also westbound, at least 3 flat bed tractor trailers with very nice looking antique trucks. I'm guessing they were headed to a Memorial Day celebration. Other than those two within ten minutes of each other there was nothing unusual between the Bay Area and San Diego in either direction. Bruce of course the best sighting was two D-90's in San Carlos when I arrived home yesterday. :-) From bens Wed Jun 2 21:38:07 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i531c7Qr000346 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:38:07 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i531c7jR000345 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:38:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:38:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200406030138.i531c7IM000341@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Joe Ward To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Adjusting parking brake Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks. I figured it was ok since the procedure worked, but I couldn't see anything in the none-too-detailed drawings in the manual and parts catalogue which would explain the cam-like action. Joe Ward '67 NADA 109 Oakland, Ca From bens Wed Jun 2 22:34:30 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i532YTQr002561 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:34:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i532YTVj002560 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:34:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:34:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200406030234.i532YTox002556@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Dave G." To: Subject: Re: Adjusting parking brake Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....I couldn't see anything in the none-too-detailed drawings in the manual and parts catalogue which would explain the cam-like action....." The cam like action is due to the fact that the adjuster tip is not a cone-shaped wedge, but rather a square-based (four sided) pyramid shape. Flat plungers rest against the adjuster with their opposite ends serving as the fixed end for the shoe pivots. The shoes get tighter when the points of the pyramid pass the plungers, and then slacken a bit as the flats are oriented toward the plungers. I think they make it this way so that it sort of "self locks" in place. Even if the adjuster rotates a little by general vibration, the next time you apply the lever, it gets snapped back to being oriented with the flats parallel to the plungers. Pretty effective...Effective enough actually to be still used on at least all the classic Rangies and Disco I's. Maybe later too, but I've never had the pleasure of having to adjust the parking brake on a P38 or D2. -Dave G. From bens Wed Jun 2 23:39:09 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i533d9Qr005121 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:39:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i533d9CD005120 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:39:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:39:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200406030339.i533d9Dp005116@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "tom walsh" To: Subject: RE: How about this Mendo folks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > "...I wholeheartedly aggree with Dave here..." > > But aparently not on the part about trimming your posts. > > :^) I enjoy the banter on list regardless if its rover related or not. But then again, I'm probably part of the problem :) Its my opinion that there currently is not enough activity on this list to keep it totally rover related, combine that with the fact that a lot of us have know each other for almost 10 years now, its kind of a family thing to me... But trimming is always a good thing. I try to leave in just enough context to allow things to make sense. I hope I'm succeding. YMMV TomW > > More in the spirit of gentle ribbing. > From bens Wed Jun 2 23:44:11 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i533iBQr005339 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:44:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i533iBIx005338 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:44:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:44:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200406030344.i533iB7l005334@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "tom walsh" To: Subject: RE: List mechanics Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Ben, did you have to pull some strings to get my posts > originating from my web-access of my e-mail account to come > through the list? > I know when > I use web access that the Yahoo groups bounce my posts. For > some reason they don't look just like the ones that come from > my actual computer at home. > -Dave G. Dave, with the Yahoo groups *you* have to administer which E-mails addresses you can post from. As for this list Ben's setup also needs the users E-mails registered and unknowns bounce to him, and in cases he knows who it is I think he adds em... But maybe you knew this? TomW From bens Wed Jun 2 23:58:20 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i533wKQr005942 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:58:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i533wKxc005941 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:58:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:58:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200406030358.i533wKjq005937@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: cirvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: windshield down Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks, I've never done it, but I know somebody that has, and aside from forgetting to run a bungee or two over the windshield to keep it from bouncing (he smashed one pane of heated glass...$$$), he also got a ticket! I don't recall the deal with the ticket, but it had something to do with driving on public streets with no windshield! (it was there, but folded down: I think the law sez that if 'ya got it, 'ya gotta use it) I'll check the vehicle code & see what the exact wording is. Charles > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ Included Original Message ] > [ 22 lines filtered. ] > I've driven once with it down resting on the hood mounted spare, and I > just tightened the hinges back up(series III) If I were driving on the > freeway I would want to tie it down. > > [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jun 3 00:00:50 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5340oQr006185 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:00:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5340opx006184 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:00:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:00:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200406030400.i5340nm4006180@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: cirvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Blue Lakes trip and guns Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org 'Ya know - I really, REALLY gotta join NCRC so that I can attend and NOT feel like a "party crasher" for once! Charles - who hasn't used either his M590 or Benelli M3S90 in 4 years! (shame on me - & the local Kragen even carries shotgun shells during hunting season!) > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] > [ 28 lines filtered. ] > > > > Thank you Mark for reminding me as I forgot to include that tidbit in my > previous posting. Anyone who cares to can bring along their shotguns for a little [ 16 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jun 3 00:16:28 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i534GSQr008076 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:16:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i534GSqi008075 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:16:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:16:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200406030416.i534GRUQ008071@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: Re: windshield down Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org from the dmv code: Windshields: Exception 26700. (a) Except as provided in subdivision (b), a passenger vehicle, other than a motorcycle, and every bus, motortruck or truck tractor, and every firetruck, fire engine or other fire apparatus, whether publicly or privately owned, shall be equipped with an adequate windshield. (b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to any vehicle issued identification plates pursuant to Section 5004 which was not required to be equipped with a windshield at the time it was first sold or registered under the laws of this state, another state, or foreign jurisdiction. Amended Ch. 222, Stats. 1983. Effective January 1, 1984. seems to be some wiggle room here....equipped---hmmmm..does that mean up or down i've been riding all week with mine on the bonnet (unhooked, then tightened bolts at the hinged..doesn't move at all)..passed plenty of chp and police...no one stopped me daniel ----- Original Message ----- From: "cirvin" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:58 PM Subject: Re: windshield down > > Folks, > > I've never done it, but I know somebody that has, and aside from forgetting to run a bungee or two over the windshield to keep it from bouncing (he smashed one pane of heated glass...$$$), he also got a ticket! > > I don't recall the deal with the ticket, but it had something to do with driving on public streets with no windshield! (it was there, but folded down: I think the law sez that if 'ya got it, 'ya gotta use it) > > I'll check the vehicle code & see what the exact wording is. > > Charles > > > > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > > [ Included Original Message ] > > [ 22 lines filtered. ] [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jun 3 00:19:08 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i534J8Qr008094 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:19:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i534J8nj008093 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:19:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:19:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200406030419.i534J72D008089@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "tom walsh" To: Subject: RE: Adjusting parking brake Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Pretty > effective...Effective enough actually to be still used on at > least all the classic Rangies and Disco I's. Maybe later > too, but I've never had the pleasure of having to adjust the > parking brake on a P38 or D2. > > -Dave G. 97 Defender is the same. I had the pleasure of replacing the E-brake cable a few weeks ago... Not to hard, unless you have a bloody underdrive in the way that needs to be taken apart to get the E-brake cover off. I think D2's may be the same also, couldn't tell ya what lives under a P38 ( although they are a neat plane also! ) If any of you remember the NCRC club trip to Moab. The day before the trip started officially, a bunch of us ran a short trail that over looked the Colorado... We all did a high side angle obstacle and one of two of my batteries tie downs apparently was loose, allowing the battery to move a bit which then arced against the metal strap holding it in place, and hence the frame in essence, toasting my ground strap and creating much smoke.... Well I field swapped the ground cable and permanently fixed the battery tie down... And we were off on our way.. Then this winter, it was like 0 ( yes, zero! ) or 10 below in a cold snap, I'm driving the D90 testing a new high amperage 12V RV ceramic heater ( works great by the way.. ) and The D90 stutters a bit and stalls, I pull over and restart her... I smell a little puff of smoke, but she starts up and I'm on my way... Later on in the week I notice the E-brake has no resistance, and I poof my external Voltage regulator on the premier power welder alternator a day later???? Two kinda weird unrelated things, you'd think... Well after some detective work... I find another wire had fried due to the forementioned Moab incedent, actually it was just singed a bit ( a teeny spot sorta ), but the extreme cold and running on the highway with unbalanced rather vibrating swamper boggers on beadlocks caused the singed cable to become brittle and the singed part broke/vibrated off, allowing it to short to the frame again. ..... This caused the E-brake cable to "temporarily" become one of the ground wires.... Needless to say, it doesn't like being a high amperage ground and melted.... Then the premier power welder V regulator doesn't like no ground ( floating ground ) in the system and it went... Anyways, all is fixed now ( after, what? The Moab thing was almost 4 years ago? ).... But it caused me to take apart my underdrive to fix it :) A twisted rover existence we lead! TomW From bens Thu Jun 3 00:23:57 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i534NtQr008319 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:23:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i534NtNW008318 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:23:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:23:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200406030423.i534Nsfu008314@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "tom walsh" To: Subject: RE: Blue Lakes trip and guns Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > 'Ya know - I really, REALLY gotta join NCRC so that I can > attend and NOT feel like a "party crasher" for once! > Charles - who hasn't used either his M590 or Benelli M3S90 in > 4 years! (shame on me - & the local Kragen even carries > shotgun shells during hunting season!) Ya gotta reload somewhere after shooting holes in all of those rural street signs :) TomW From bens Thu Jun 3 00:30:28 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i534USQr008761 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:30:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i534USLm008760 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:30:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:30:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200406030430.i534USo8008753@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Marcos Harrison" To: "Bens" Subject: Low cost meds delivered to your door Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 212 lines filtered. ] ----25386823003669524964 From bens Thu Jun 3 01:48:10 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i535mAQr012019 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:48:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i535mAeT012018 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:48:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:48:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200406030548.i535mAQc012014@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "rupert jung" To: Subject: schedule conflict? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 139 lines filtered. ] charset="Windows-1252" I see that NCRC has Black Rock desert trip scheduled for 7/23-7/25. SCLR just scheduled their Big Bear Rendezvous that same weekend. Tough decision, do I spend big $ for gas and 12+ hrs driving to So Cal or do the desert trip again but meet up in Gerlach? rupert --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.672 / Virus Database: 434 - Release Date: 4/28/2004 From bens Thu Jun 3 08:24:24 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i53COOQr028293 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:24:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i53COOUo028292 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:24:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:24:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200406031224.i53CONA3028288@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: List mechanics Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200406022045.i52KjV7b020872@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org>you wrote: > Ben, did you have to pull some strings to get my posts originating from my we >b-access of my e-mail account to come through the list? If so, thanks for you >r help. You subscribed to the list as hipine@worldnet.att.net, but the posts are coming through as hipine@att.net. So I added the 2nd address to the alternate address lists. The list blocks posts from addresses that are not on the list to keep spam off of the list. Hence the alternate list of approved addresses. Ben From bens Thu Jun 3 09:06:13 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i53D6DQr030303 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:06:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i53D6D8o030302 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:06:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:06:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200406031306.i53D6CvZ030298@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Bruce Sharp" To: mendo_recce@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org Subject: RE: Millie is for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John ...How deep are the Undertaker's pockets?...wow too much money for that truck...is this same guy who traded in a Disco for a Saab.....BRS From bens Thu Jun 3 09:29:31 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i53DTVQr031236 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:29:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i53DTVnB031235 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:29:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:29:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200406031329.i53DTUHB031231@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Bob and Sue B To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Adjusting parking brake Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, I doon't know about the clunk clunk, maybe thunk thunk but the tight loose tight loose is correct. It's a square thing in there and it holds its adjustment as a result Bob B At 05:23 PM 6/2/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Does it supposed to go: >Tight .. Loose .. Tight .. Loose >and make the sound: >----- .. Clunk .. ----- .. Clunk >while you turn the adjuster screw? > >Hope so, afterall it did. >Joe Ward >'67 NADA 109 [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jun 3 13:29:24 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i53HTOQr009093 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:29:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i53HTO1G009092 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:29:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:29:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200406031729.i53HTOCG009088@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: How about this Mendo folks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All I'm on the Dormie list and it always on topic and about Dormobiles. Because of this it's pretty dead and we can go 30 plus days with out an email. Sometimes I feel like I might talk too much, but it does keep things going. Some of the folks in the UK have been put off as "most of the traffic is US and Land Rover based." It's not my list, but a lot of folks ask me to fix problems as Nick Baggarly is not always available. The only thing I do it bring it to Nick's attention as I have no access to the server. I'd like to get things going with events, but with no working Dormobile it's difficult. It would be great to get ALL makes of Dormobiles together and on the list for more input, know how and events, but it's been slow at best. I wouldn't mind some off topic discussions once in a while so the list doesn't die. I really need to get the Dormie started / finished be for all the interest fades away. The Mendo-Recce list is very lucky to have as much input as it does. Hang in there Mehdi, it would be bad to see you go. > Good idea - but with all the Series trucks (and others) that are being > sold lately by people on-list, the number of Rover owners (or > running-Rover owners) on-list is getting smaller! Selling Millie is bumming me out. William really loves her and she was my first Land Rover, but the money has to go to Indiana if the restoration is ever going to get started. I have three people with varying levels of interest in her. A guy from SF is coming to look at her today around 2pm, there's a guy in LA who wants to get back into Series ownership and another guy in MO. We'll see what happens. Cheers, Keith & Pam Shukait 1997 Land Rover Discovery XD "YLLWJKT" 1969 Land Rover Series IIA ExMoD 109 Regular "Millie" 1967 Land Rover Series IIA NADA 6 Cylinder Dormobile "Indiana" From bens Thu Jun 3 13:49:28 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i53HnSQr009930 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:49:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i53HnScj009929 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:49:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:49:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200406031749.i53HnRua009925@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Congdon" To: Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1362 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org As for the British keeping some form of the Defender alive for military use. I don't believe it. The Defender is going away. Although the Brits could float a contract to all players including Ford to build the replacement I believe that the British military will ultimately buy Hummers or another substitute. Its all about the $$$. From bens Thu Jun 3 13:57:11 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i53HvBQr010317 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:57:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i53HvB10010316 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:57:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:57:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200406031757.i53HvADS010312@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: How about this Mendo folks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Keith Shukait wrote: > All >> I'm on the Dormie list and it always on topic and about > Dormobiles. > Because of this it's pretty dead and we can go 30 plus > days with out an > email. yeah! that is where we all figure the list was down or ?? ;-( > ....interest fades away. The Mendo-Recce list is very lucky > to have as > much input as it does. Hang in there Mehdi, it would be > bad to see you Yes Medhi I aggree...actually miss your input, guess you are very busy with work/kids etc.. to sift through non-interesting-to-you topics, as you are probably getting same/similar on photographic lists as sell? (honestly, they appear to be teh most pure tech oriented except one russian-camera list that is not pure SPAM all day long!) ;-( > my first Land Rover, but the money has to go to Indiana > if the > restoration is ever going to get started. I have three > people with > varying levels of interest in her. A guy from SF is > coming to look at > her today around 2pm, there's a guy in LA who wants to > get back into > Series ownership and another guy in MO. We'll see what [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Good Luck Keith! We're rooting for you to sell fast to enable the work on Indiana to come-along faster! I remember many years ago reading through about 3-600 land-rover emails some days until wee hours of the morning(hell! I had to be up most of noght with the kids anyway!) ;-)...so the few non topic things are not even noticed as a issue here...of course I am no longer on EVERY land-rover list in exhistance either! ;-) Paul(used to filtering out non-interest and spam from the many lists I am on...no biggie to me! I just hit delete, or put into digest mode and skim...) From bens Thu Jun 3 14:12:20 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i53ICKQr010923 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:12:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i53ICKAi010922 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:12:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:12:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200406031812.i53ICJoh010918@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1362 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Interesting, but we will see. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Congdon" To: Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:49 AM Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1362 > > As for the British keeping some form of the Defender alive for military use. > I don't believe it. The Defender is going away. Although the Brits could > float a contract to all players including Ford to build the replacement I > believe that the British military will ultimately buy Hummers or another > substitute. Its all about the $$$. > > > From bens Thu Jun 3 14:38:44 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i53IciQr011955 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:38:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i53IciJb011954 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:38:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:38:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200406031838.i53Ici3V011950@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Joe Ward To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Lake Sonoma Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Has anyone camped at Lake Sonoma? The park website lists the campgrounds as hike/boat in, but I see some roads and so-called jeep trails listed on the map. Joe Ward '67 NADA 109 Oakland, Ca From bens Thu Jun 3 14:38:53 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i53IcrQr011968 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:38:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i53Icro3011967 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:38:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:38:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200406031838.i53Icr33011963@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1362 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Do you think Prliament is going to send British tapayer money to the U.S. to buy a vehicle they can get in Britain? "Why pay American yaboes to build a truck,when we can pay the yaboes we got here?" proclaims the Hon. William Hornblower-(L)Hobbiton. >>> econgdon@comcast.net 06/03/04 10:49AM >>> As for the British keeping some form of the Defender alive for military use. I don't believe it. The Defender is going away. Although the Brits could float a contract to all players including Ford to build the replacement I believe that the British military will ultimately buy Hummers or another substitute. Its all about the $$$. From bens Thu Jun 3 14:40:45 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i53IejQr012185 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:40:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i53Iej1N012184 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:40:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:40:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200406031840.i53IeiMs012180@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Alan Giblin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1362 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey All, The last I heard, Land Rover has already lost the military contract, I think to Mercedes, but I haven't heard anything on that in a while. Alan > >As for the British keeping some form of the Defender alive for military use. >I don't believe it. The Defender is going away. Although the Brits could >float a contract to all players including Ford to build the replacement I >believe that the British military will ultimately buy Hummers or another >substitute. Its all about the $$$. > > From bens Thu Jun 3 15:03:13 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i53J3DQr013047 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:03:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i53J3DOb013046 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:03:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:03:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200406031903.i53J3Dr6013042@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Paging Bio-Diesel Boy Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If you get the oil from a restaurant, do you need to add lye and other stuff to make it work? There is a new thread at Freerepublic.com, where you can explain things. Many hits from around the country and beyond. From bens Thu Jun 3 16:00:42 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i53K0gQr015542 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:00:42 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i53K0gHZ015541 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:00:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:00:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200406032000.i53K0gub015537@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1362 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If Ford let's the Defender die, they are STUPID. There is a small but viable market for this type of vehicle. I can't believe they haven't done a redesign of the Defender to meet the US safety specs, already. It's also a great advertising vehicle for the Marque in the US. Overseas, it's an ideal vehicle for the real 3rd world. Rover didn't lose their once totally dominant market lock to Ford Explorers. It was the Toyota FJ's and Nissan Patrols that took the place of Series and Defenders. They didn't do it because of functionality but reliability and price. The ubiquitous rice pickups expanded the market, once again because of reliability and price, but they didn't replace the Defender. In the US, people will look at the rugged Defender and come in the dealership because of it. Most will end up buying the RR or Disco replacement because of practicality but it would be the Defender that made the sale. Haven't seen any real quality pictures of the Disco replacement but what I've seen look they nailed the off road, bad boy image. Yes it does look like the Honda but a Honda that got it right. The Honda is just downright ugly. The real question is the off road ability of the truck. The Explorer types have totally given up on off road viability. Hopefully, the new Disco is still being true to it's off road heritage. Unfortunately, it looked like the Disco no longer has solid axles all around. Understand the new RR is as good offroad as its predecessor, despite having IFS. Of course, going with electrickery for traction control flies in the face of why I love the series. Electrickery seems to be the 'thing' for all sorts of foolish options on any vehicle these days. Of course, Rover has to get their quality problems ironed out. They won't be able to sell anything if they can't lose the POS reliability reputation they are garnering. Would have thought Ford would have gotten on top of it by now, but apparently not. As far as off topic. Monitor this list along with others. It's often the non Rover stuff that's the most interesting. Don't mean that we should start long threads on Schwarzenegger as Governor but related topics to Rovers and how they are used are appreciated by this lister. Aloha Peter O. --- Eric Johnson wrote: > > > Do you think Prliament is going to send British > tapayer money to the U.S. to buy a vehicle they can > get in Britain? > "Why pay American yaboes to build a truck,when we > can pay the yaboes we got here?" proclaims the Hon. > William Hornblower-(L)Hobbiton. > [ 15 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From bens Thu Jun 3 17:29:38 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i53LTcQr019095 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:29:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i53LTcxe019094 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:29:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:29:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200406032129.i53LTckl019090@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: hipine@att.net To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: STUPID they ain't Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....If Ford let's the Defender die, they are STUPID....." Oh they're not stupid. They just listen to their market research and offer products that are most likely to separate the most consumers from their debt commitment (not cash, stopped being interested in that long ago). It's that simple. The sooner we here all just fess up to the idea that we are not part of the demographic that nearly all new car companies are using to determine their new product lineups (Ferrari's probably an exception), the sooner we'll all just get happy with the idea that we need to buy and maintain used cars to meet our needs and preferences. Very simple really. And as far as the Defender existing to sell Discos?!?!? That's what TV commercials and other advertisement are for. And even if the Defender as we know it today WERE kept alive for military use, that has nothing to do with whether or not it will be available to the public. Witness the G-wagen. It will be a totally different platform in 2005, the equivalent of LR saying, "Yes we'll still sell the defender, but it will be a re-badged BMW X5" The G-class will change completely for the consumer market, be built in Alabama among other places, and the W46x series that we've known since '79 will continue to be produced by Magna-Styer for military consumption. -Dave G. From bens Fri Jun 4 01:47:40 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i545leQr008615 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 01:47:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i545leZU008614 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 01:47:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 01:47:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200406040547.i545ldMG008610@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: cirvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: STUPID they ain't Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave writes: > Oh they're not stupid. They just listen to their market research and offer products that are most likely to separate the most consumers from their debt commitment (not cash, stopped being interested in that long ago). It's that simple. Well gee, this is where Ford DOES get stupid: they listen to the market research people, who tell them what they want to hear, versus what the "real world" is saying. Case in point is British Airways, where I was employed for 11 years - they up & decided one day, to spend some $11mil to re-paint the tails on their aircraft in one of some 8 different schemes, and also to pay the marketing firm that told them that they needed a new identity! It didn't work, passengers hated the new schemes almost as much as we employees did (but weren't as embarrassed), and we were out another years' profit sharing as a result because passenger loads dropped dramatically. > The sooner we here all just fess up to the idea that we are not part of the demographic that nearly all new car companies are using to determine their new product lineups (Ferrari's probably an exception), the sooner we'll all just get happy with the idea that we need to buy and maintain used cars to meet our needs and preferences. Very simple really. True again, unless you find something new that meets the needs/preferances...btw - you all ever see a Ford Sportsmobile conversion????? (VERY cool, and VERY much like a modern Dormobile) > And as far as the Defender existing to sell Discos?!?!? That's what TV commercials and other advertisement are for. And even if the Defender as we know it today WERE kept alive for military use, that has nothing to do with whether or not it will be available to the public. Witness the G-wagen. It will be a totally different platform in 2005, the equivalent of LR saying, "Yes we'll still sell the defender, but it will be a re-badged BMW X5" The G-class will change completely for the consumer market, be built in Alabama among other places, and the W46x series that we've known since '79 will continue to be produced by Magna-Styer for military consumption. Yes, and no...Defender will hang around a bit longer, but the Hummer (H-1, I'd guess) it was said a year or so ago, is going to be phased-out in favor of a new replacement that will fit in a Chinook or an Osprey VTOL, as well as fit other requirements...the G was in competition for this replacement, but I dunno what happened...cost, maybe??? Charles From bens Fri Jun 4 01:49:22 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i545nMQr008628 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 01:49:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i545nMGp008627 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 01:49:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 01:49:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200406040549.i545nLiC008623@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: cirvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: windshield down Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yeah - it kinda falls into the "officers' choice" area: they CAN cite you for it if they want to, and if they do, you'll lose. Charles > > from the dmv code: > > > Windshields: Exception > > 26700. (a) Except as provided in subdivision (b), a passenger vehicle, > other than a motorcycle, and every bus, motortruck or truck tractor, and > every firetruck, fire engine or other fire apparatus, whether publicly or [ 47 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jun 4 02:01:31 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5461VQr009301 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 02:01:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5461VIT009300 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 02:01:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 02:01:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200406040601.i5461U3e009296@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: cirvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: interesting Ford problem (O.T. at present) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks, all this discussion about Ford & Land Rover makes me want to relate something that happened yesterday: last week I took the F350 in for a fuel filter replacement (6.0 Powerstroke has two of 'em - one on the frame, one at the engine). Just yesterday (exactly a week later) fuel began spraying out around the filter cover on the engine, so much so that I parked it at the store, called Ford, and ordered a replacement cap & seal. Seems that they reccomend replacing the filter caps & seals when the fuel filters are replaced, and even told me that the filters for the 7.3-engined trucks come with new caps & seals...but for some reason, the 6.0's do not. Problem #1...seems that Ford dealers these days refuse to stock ANY "fast-moving" parts on the shelves anymore (ran into this with Janet's van last year), and so I had to wait until today to get the replacement part. Problem #2...drive to Fresno to pick up part today (Janet's car - Visalia Ford dealer parts people are total idiots, which is problem #3, so I deal with Fresno instead), to find that they ordered the wrong part! I point this out, they treat me like I don't have a clue, and show me the microfiche... Problem #4...microfiche is wrong, and thus, they ordered an oil filter cap & seal instead! Problem #5...the part is a "special order", and so must be paid for in advance: now we get to find out what happenes when they send me the wrong part (they want me to bring in the part that I need, so that they can match it up...seems the truck dealer in Fresno doesn't have any 6.0 Powerstrokes in stock at present!) And so, Janet decides to have the truck towed to the Visalia dealer (where we bought it), and let them figure it out instead. Problem #6 - I probably won't have the truck back until Tuesday at the earliest, unless they get it back to me tomorrow! And so, if Ford can't keep a single very critical part on the shelf, then Land Rover is certain to fail in the future military market - and in all other markets as well! Charles From bens Fri Jun 4 10:01:02 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i54E12Qr028798 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:01:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i54E12ga028797 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:01:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:01:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200406041401.i54E11OR028793@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: STUPID they ain't Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Well gee, this is where Ford DOES get stupid: My industry sources say the LR3 and the range stormer projects were BMW projects that were well advanced when Ford bought the place and the only designs available short term. Most all Ford has done is switch some of the parts to common platform parts. The basic styling & overall design is still BMW. Maybe Chrysler can turn a design to a product in no time but Land Rover doesn't know how yet. Their product design cycle is still a several year process. So other than switching in a few parts we still have yet to see anything from Ford. I know Ford bashing is fun but a little BMW bashing for the design and Land Rover bashing for their processes and build quality would be more appropriate. Though I often think that people would feel better if Land Rover had just died as marque and not been rescued twice. People tend to speak good of the dead. TeriAnn From bens Fri Jun 4 10:11:17 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i54EBHQr029225 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:11:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i54EBHQS029224 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:11:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:11:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200406041411.i54EBHg1029220@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: interesting Ford problem (O.T. at present) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > And so, if Ford can't keep a single very critical part on the shelf, > then Land Rover is certain to fail in the future military market - and > in all other markets as well! Ah guilty of a crime yet to be committed by association. Just think of the trouble you will have getting a replacement 'O' ring for a faulty left front thruster on a Ford shuttle. TeriAnn who is having a hard time taking bashing of what Ford *might* do with Land Rover in the future seriously From bens Fri Jun 4 10:32:47 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i54EWlQr030060 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:32:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i54EWlpV030059 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:32:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:32:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200406041432.i54EWkTj030055@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Congdon" To: Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1363 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well hang on to your Defenders. That being said of course I will be pulling the master cylinder, booster and box to replace a brake switch this weekend. How many hours? From bens Fri Jun 4 10:47:21 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i54ElLQr030718 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:47:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i54ElL3f030717 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:47:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:47:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200406041447.i54ElLq8030713@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: hipine@att.net To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Fire Marshall Bill [was:Ford problem] Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...makes me want to relate something that happened yesterday:...." I'm sorry about the subject line but your post just reminded me of the old Jim Carey bit on In Living Color.... "LET ME SHOW YA SHUMP-THIN'!!!" But back to the off-topic topic... :^) I've got news for ya bud. That ain't Ford. That's the whole automotive sales/service link that's broke throughout the industry. EVERYBODY feels it, and it's a big part of the "buy used" decision. One of these days the auto industry will wise up and figure out that the only way to force quality into their service organization is to cut it loose from the sales tit and make it stand on it's own. Until then, our only option with new cars is to try and buy one that won't break. -Dave G. From bens Fri Jun 4 10:57:20 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i54EvKQr031206 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:57:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i54EvKxG031205 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:57:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:57:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200406041457.i54EvJbi031201@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: Re: windshield down Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...so, being even more curious about this, I called the SF CHP office, and spoke to an officer, then his supervisor. seems they don't really care..but, they said the code, as written, is so unclear that it would be up to a judge to interpret...one could claim that one does have the piece of equipment, and it is adequate, and the owner chooses to leave it in the horizontal position, and as such, no ticket would be issued....nice guy..wished it'd taken his name (and etched it on the windscreen...lol) d ----- Original Message ----- From: "cirvin" To: Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:49 PM Subject: Re: windshield down > > Yeah - it kinda falls into the "officers' choice" area: they CAN cite you for it if they want to, and if they do, you'll lose. > > Charles > > > > > from the dmv code: > > > > > > Windshields: Exception > > [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] or > [ 47 additional quoted lines pruned. ] > From bens Fri Jun 4 12:55:57 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i54GtvQr003881 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:55:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i54Gtv9Y003880 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:55:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:55:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200406041655.i54Gtu8h003876@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: shukait@mac.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Millie is for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bruce, > John ...How deep are the Undertaker's pockets? The undertaker takes good care of his vehicles. He has spent a good deal of money sorting out a list of past owner problems on a truck that was "completely restored." It makes a difference to me that the new owner is happy with the truck and the issues are sorted out before I sell it. Some folks just cover stuff up and you get to deal with it. > ...wow too much money for that truck... Well everyone is looking for a deal, so you have to put it out there with lots of wiggle room in the price. If I start at the minimum I'll take, there's no where to go but down. That's why the add says obo (or best offer). Folks out there are free to buy a rusty truck in sad shape for half the price and spend a lot of time and money sorting it out. I looked at Series IIA's on LRX to come up with a price and it the past three years I've been offered 15K at two different times. I'm not trying to make a profit on her, If she's sells for the asking price I still loose money. To make a long story short there's wiggle room in the price. Eventually she will sell for what some is willing to pay. The guy that came to look at it yesterday decided to bring his wife and new born baby. He was drooling all over it. He needs a truck for construction and I could see that Millie didn't even come close to fitting their needs. He wanted it any way and I could see that his wife was not happy. He even said they could get Millie now and a GMC later. I sided with her and told him that it would not fit their needs. She was pregnant with another baby and putting seat belts and car seats on Millie's side facing seats is not a smart thing. What they need is real truck that will be safer and be able to carry heavy loads. I have another guy who's interested and we'll see how that pans out. > is this same guy who traded in a Disco for a Saab.....BRS No, I'm not the guy who traded a Disco for a Saab. Cheers, Keith Shukait 1997 Land Rover Discovery XD "YLLWJKT" 1969 Land Rover Series IIA ExMoD 109 Regular "Millie" 1967 Land Rover Series IIA NADA 6 Cylinder Dormobile "Indiana" From bens Fri Jun 4 13:06:32 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i54H6WQr004337 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 13:06:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i54H6WSZ004336 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 13:06:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 13:06:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200406041706.i54H6Vf7004332@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Acceleration Hesitation Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Would a faulty vacuum advance unit cause accel. hesitation? Or is it a mechanical weights issue? I checked the weights and they seemed to move freely. From bens Fri Jun 4 13:22:31 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i54HMVQr004969 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 13:22:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i54HMV5d004968 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 13:22:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 13:22:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200406041722.i54HMUul004964@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: ntucker@sfsu.edu To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1363 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Quoting "Mendo_Recce digest:" : I wonder if all the new designs by LR/Ford/BMW towards grocery getters is going to somehow up the value of RRC's and DI&II's? I think my Classic is as functional, stylish, and plush as anyting on the market. In addition, I can do almost all the work on it myself and parts are relatively cheap(er) and alt parts are becoming for available (so it seems). Considering I am a shade tree mechanic at best, I have almost completely disassembled and reassembled my 1990 RRC at varying points throughout the last couple years, but wouldn't even try to do the same on a new Taurus or Honda Accord. Therefore my point is this; that the more On Road LR gets the more valuable the Off Road LR's will become. Also, when the Int'l. 2.8 becomes for affordable that will be the next power plant for my RRC...Unique stling, Real wood trim, connoly leather, Comfort, Unmatched off road ability, History, AND 30 mpg! Anyone want to go halves or thirds on a Int'l 2.8 in a RRC swap? Nathan From bens Fri Jun 4 13:50:25 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i54HoPQr006201 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 13:50:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i54HoPMW006200 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 13:50:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 13:50:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200406041750.i54HoPUm006196@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Eric Schoenman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1363 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Anyone want to go halves or thirds on a Int'l 2.8 in a RRC swap? > Nathan, so what do you mean by this? i'm very interested in getting a diesel in my rr. i think this has been bantered around a few times. but what's the limitations right now besides price(how much is a 2.8 these days?). my 3.5 is pushing it's limit right now. but the rest of the truck is almost exactly where i want it (rebuilt tranny, stripped interior, and lots of fun toys inside and out). From bens Fri Jun 4 13:55:13 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i54HtDQr006361 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 13:55:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i54HtDdB006360 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 13:55:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 13:55:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200406041755.i54HtD5B006356@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Acceleration Hesitation Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org on the rangie?? possibly? but not sure... how about the vac line to fuel pressure regulator?? as I re-assembled the disco engine the other day, i had same issue, than realized I had screwed up the vac line installation paul --- Eric Johnson wrote: > > > Would a faulty vacuum advance unit cause accel. > hesitation? Or is it a mechanical weights issue? I > checked the weights and they seemed to move freely. > > > From bens Fri Jun 4 14:49:52 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i54InqQr008766 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:49:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i54Inqn3008765 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:49:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:49:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200406041849.i54InqbI008761@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Diesels in RRC, was Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1363 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yeah, whaddya' mean by halve-sies or third-sies? >>> ntucker@sfsu.edu 06/04/04 10:22AM >>> Quoting "Mendo_Recce digest:" : I wonder if all the new designs by LR/Ford/BMW towards grocery getters is going to somehow up the value of RRC's and DI&II's? I think my Classic is as functional, stylish, and plush as anyting on the market. In addition, I can do almost all the work on it myself and parts are relatively cheap(er) and alt parts are becoming for available (so it seems). Considering I am a shade tree mechanic at best, I have almost completely disassembled and reassembled my 1990 RRC at varying points throughout the last couple years, but wouldn't even try to do the same on a new Taurus or Honda Accord. Therefore my point is this; that the more On Road LR gets the more valuable the Off Road LR's will become. Also, when the Int'l. 2.8 becomes for affordable that will be the next power plant for my RRC...Unique stling, Real wood trim, connoly leather, Comfort, Unmatched off road ability, History, AND 30 mpg! Anyone want to go halves or thirds on a Int'l 2.8 in a RRC swap? Nathan From bens Fri Jun 4 14:51:09 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i54Ip9Qr008986 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:51:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i54Ip91C008985 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:51:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:51:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200406041851.i54Ip9pt008981@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Acceleration Hesitation Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On the GM HEI 3.0 Merc >>> androbus@yahoo.com 06/04/04 10:55AM >>> on the rangie?? possibly? but not sure... how about the vac line to fuel pressure regulator?? as I re-assembled the disco engine the other day, i had same issue, than realized I had screwed up the vac line installation paul --- Eric Johnson wrote: > > > Would a faulty vacuum advance unit cause accel. > hesitation? Or is it a mechanical weights issue? I > checked the weights and they seemed to move freely. > > > From bens Fri Jun 4 15:46:21 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i54JkLQr011443 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 15:46:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i54JkLDs011442 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 15:46:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 15:46:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200406041946.i54JkLVw011438@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "gabe edwards" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: In need of transmission... anyone got a good one to sell? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I believe that it's a ZF-4HP22 ... 88 RRC. The smog station revved the car @ 2500 for 2 minutes in park. Now I have no forward motion... oh well, I've always wanted to hit the highway in reverse. I guess I should be happy, I'm the third owner and the Rangie has about 325,000 miles on her. Anywho, if you've got one, let me know how much you want! gabeedwards@hotmail.com or 408 781 7861 - leave message Thanks! - Gabe _________________________________________________________________ Stop worrying about overloading your inbox - get MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ From bens Fri Jun 4 16:32:31 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i54KWVQr013470 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:32:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i54KWVID013469 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:32:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:32:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200406042032.i54KWUlB013465@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: hipine@att.net To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: In need of transmission... anyone got a good one to sell? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If the smog station did it, why do you have a damned thing to do with fixing it? Tell them where your mechanic is located, tell them they can flatbed the truck there, and call Enterprise to get you a rental (which they will pay for while you wait for your truck to be fixed) to pick you up at the smog station....grrrrr -Dave G. From bens Fri Jun 4 16:44:10 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i54KiAQr013887 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:44:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i54KiASi013886 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:44:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:44:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200406042044.i54KiAg1013882@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: In need of transmission... anyone got a good one to sell? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Gabe, are they paying for it? depending on what they did, and what it says in teh books, they may be liable? I recall something about certain things you can't do to a rangie on a smog check w/o causing damage, but think htat ws the dyno/rolling whatever test?? Probably not, but you never know if I had one handy would send it to you, but alas sorry! Good luck with teh R&R it should be fun! ;-) Paul --- gabe edwards wrote: > I believe that it's a ZF-4HP22 ... 88 RRC. The smog > station revved the car @ > 2500 for 2 minutes in park. Now I have no forward > motion... oh well, I've > always wanted to hit the highway in reverse. I guess I > should be happy, I'm > the third owner and the Rangie has about 325,000 miles on > her. From bens Fri Jun 4 18:12:41 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i54MCfQr017721 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 18:12:41 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i54MCflZ017720 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 18:12:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 18:12:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200406042212.i54MCfS0017716@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Joe Ward To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Acceleration Hesitation Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org You should be able to check it with a timing light. Joe Ward From bens Fri Jun 4 20:08:57 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5508vQr022400 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 20:08:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5508vXQ022399 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 20:08:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 20:08:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200406050008.i5508vH9022395@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: the Coil-Sprung / Range Rover Owner Mailing List Subject: looking for good cond brush guard for range-rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey! not that we really need this, But...Elisa really wants to put a brush gard on her '93 rangie lwb. I managed to find a set of the rear-light protectors for her, and said I would check to see what you guys may know of or have surplus? not needed to be new, just not beat to hell and all bent! ;-) needing paint is no problem... looking for stock, but if anything aftermarket is for a good price, ya never know! we are located in Fresno CA, but guess shipping could be arranged from anywhere if a good price? paul From bens Fri Jun 4 21:46:31 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i551kVQr026423 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 21:46:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i551kV7j026422 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 21:46:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 21:46:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200406050146.i551kU2b026418@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "gabe edwards" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: In need of transmission... anyone got a good one to sell? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hee hee... The guy who owns the smog shop is a poor bloody innocent. Believe me, I'm the first to say "Hey, guesswhat! you are paying for my brand new tranny! HAHA!", but the fact is that he was doing me a favor, he's a friend of my dad's, he JUST started the business, and I wasn't there to supervise. Besides, if I didn't know that you aren't supposed to 2-g a ZF trans (Volvo, BMW, MBZ, Jag, Rover... owners, take note.) in Park after it's been in drive, then how the hell is this poor SOB gonna know? He's not a tranny shop. Besides, I just got this Rangie for free (trade for 5 hours of work) and I wanted to see if it would pass smog before I actually got it officially tested. I figure at 3.25K miles, something's bound to blow, and my Karmic debt hasn't been paid recently. Not too worried about the ride, since this is toy #4 after the daily driver. (It's looking crowded at my house) BUT, I'd like to find a good used tranny... if one of yous guys knows of a Classic SWB being parted out, please let me know! I can let her rest for a few months before I go to work on her (if necessary!). =) - Gabe (Better start saving my duckets. Dammit.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If Guns Cause Crime, Then Pencils Cause Misspelled Words >From: hipine@att.net >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: In need of transmission... anyone got a good one to sell? >Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:32:30 -0400 > >If the smog station did it, why do you have a damned thing to do with >fixing it? Tell them where your mechanic is located, tell them they can >flatbed the truck there, and call Enterprise to get you a rental (which [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://youroffers.msn.com From bens Fri Jun 4 21:47:01 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i551l1Qr026436 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 21:47:01 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i551l1s6026435 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 21:47:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 21:47:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200406050147.i551l13r026431@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: cirvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: In need of transmission... anyone got a good one to sell? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I think Alan Giblin may have one laying around... Alan?...... However, if it blew while at the smog shop, I'd definately hit them up about it, let them call a LR dealer & get a quote! (however, with 325,000 miles, and how many previous owners that did what to her???) But it never hurts to try. Charles > > I believe that it's a ZF-4HP22 ... 88 RRC. The smog station revved the car @ > 2500 for 2 minutes in park. Now I have no forward motion... oh well, I've > always wanted to hit the highway in reverse. I guess I should be happy, I'm > the third owner and the Rangie has about 325,000 miles on her. > > Anywho, if you've got one, let me know how much you want! > > gabeedwards@hotmail.com [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jun 4 21:58:39 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i551wdQr026866 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 21:58:39 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i551wdE5026865 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 21:58:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 21:58:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200406050158.i551wduv026861@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: cirvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: interesting Ford problem (O.T. at present) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TeriAnn, I'm not speculating on what Ford might to to Land Rover, I'm simply saying that, SHOULD their "quality of service" be transferred over to Land Rover, then Land Rover is pretty much screwed. I have to admit that in all the time I owned the Rangie, I never, and I mean NEVER had trouble getting ANY part for that truck, wether it be from BP, or from Land Rover South Bay. They had it, the price was good, and I didn't have to wait and see how long it would take to get it. Ford on the other hand: their parts people don't even have the correct information in their own database, on what it is that I need, then act as if I'm from another planet when I tell them it's the wrong part, then don't care to even look at the 6.0 engine in the van parked outside their door (instead telling me that there aren't any on the lot) so that I can show them - this is not good. Same thing happened when I ordered an A/C control switch for Janet's van 1 1/2 years ago - 4 tries and they finally got it right! Ford does have a decent product in their medium & heavy trucks (I woulda bought a Dodge if the back seat had better access, and a cargo tray, and I woulda bought a Chevy if they had a better diesel engine, but there's no comparison for what I got & what I use it for...I really am happy with it), but they gotta back it up with good service. Oh - did I mention that they did have a "help wanted" sign at the parts counter? Maybe they are aware of a problem... Oh - it wasn't a defect in the seal design, either - it was the guy that installed the new filter - he accidentally "folded" it up on itself, pinching it...I actually got the truck back this morning (imagine that - they told me Tuesday before they would get the part, yet it was fixed at 0930hrs...and I had it dropped off at closing time yesterday, so so much for not having the part!). Charles > > > And so, if Ford can't keep a single very critical part on the shelf, > > then Land Rover is certain to fail in the future military market - and > > in all other markets as well! > > Ah guilty of a crime yet to be committed by association. Just think of > the trouble you will have getting a replacement 'O' ring for a faulty > left front thruster on a Ford shuttle. > [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Jun 5 00:48:15 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i554mFQr002799 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 00:48:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i554mF6b002798 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 00:48:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 00:48:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200406050448.i554mEIl002794@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: more Rover content Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 24 lines filtered. ] In a message dated 6/2/04 4:01:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Kerner@vegmail.ucdavis.edu writes: > ) If I were driving on the > freeway I would want to tie it down. > > > If you were driving on the freeway, with the windshield down,you'd want to put an excessively large rear view mirror on to watch for cops. Moving violation's are a greater increase to driving cost than oil embargoes. Zack From bens Sat Jun 5 01:17:27 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i555HRQr003975 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 01:17:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i555HRsa003974 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 01:17:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 01:17:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200406050517.i555HQhk003970@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: John Kirn's 109 FS? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&rd=1&item=2480922773&category=6296 Gerry, Granny who's truck is this? John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby", 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2000 custom fixed gear (I built the frame), 2002 Merlin Extra Fat, 2004 Steve Rex (in progress) ours: 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Sat Jun 5 02:55:44 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i556tiQr007998 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 02:55:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i556tioi007997 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 02:55:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 02:55:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200406050655.i556th0l007993@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "tom walsh" To: Subject: RE: Diesels in RRC, was Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1363 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I wonder if all the new designs by LR/Ford/BMW towards > grocery getters is > going to somehow up the value of RRC's and DI&II's? I think This is highly unlikely, first off the new vehicles are now targeted at different buyers... IE: targeted at least at buyers who want new cars.... Our older or used cars just aren't for them... So that, in itself, separates the things enough that the prices will never be related in any way.. Also, I wouldn't ever expect used prices to start rising.... Just depreciating slower ( or faster ) this may be influenced by "what the used LR buyer is willing to pay", but I bet if ya looked at the prices over time like a curve.... The curve isn't really ever changed by "new" cars the vendor starts putting out, unless the used car in question is only a year old or so ( +/- a year old or so ) ... In other words in the year old case, the price is high enough on the used car that it murkies the water in the decision of new or used... As the new has newer features, so the 1 yr old used buyer may consider new... This prolly ain't gonna matter to a 5 or 10 year old Range Rover buyer..... They ain't gonna consider or even care about a new RR, or they wouldn't be looking at 10 yr old ones..... 1 yr old maybe. An example, is my wife, when looking for a minivan, she looked at new toyota's and honda's, then looked up used 1 yr old hondas and toyota's.... Dang if almost all of them were asking pretty much close to fulll new price ( really! Like within 2k or less with 20K miles on em ( or a tad more or less ) , She looked in both San Diego and Colorado )... We then found generally speaking, toyota's & honda's and a few others held their value real well for the first few years.... ( no big secret either ) So she decided, heck why go used, and got a new toyota with a lot more safety features and stuff than the previous year ( a new design in fact )... She started the whole mess looking at new vans, didn't like the price, but found used close enough, that she fell back to the new again.... Did she ever consider a 5 year old one NO. did her purchase of new affect the price of a 5 year old one... No. I hope this kinda makes sense! Prolly not, then Delete :) TomW From bens Sat Jun 5 03:05:05 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i55755Qr008308 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 03:05:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i55755Ah008307 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 03:05:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 03:05:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200406050705.i55755m6008303@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "tom walsh" To: Subject: July motor trend Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org July motor trend is out ( heck, it just turned June? ) anyways it had a blurb on the 2008 Defender ( due out in 2007 ) including some characture type drawings... All things considering it could be a lot worse... Its says it has body on steel frame... No mention of axle type, it listed a 4 banger and two 6 bangers for us and a peugot 6 diesel for non US market. They did mention a more smaller basic model coming the next year. Also it compared a RR a lexus 470 a lincoln navigator and an infinit qx56 and the RR won ( I haven't as of yet read the whole thing ) TomW From bens Sat Jun 5 03:22:09 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i557M9Qr009088 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 03:22:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i557M9E0009087 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 03:22:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 03:22:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200406050722.i557M8Dv009083@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "tom walsh" To: Subject: RE: In need of transmission... anyone got a good one to sell? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I believe that it's a ZF-4HP22 ... 88 RRC. The smog station > revved the car @ > 2500 for 2 minutes in park. Now I have no forward motion... > oh well, It sounds like Arnold needs to buy you a new one :) Really, is the DMV or smog station taking any responsibility? I am sure there is documents they have on what and what not to do to each car as they test it. TomW, who spent ALL day getting smogged, D90's are exempt from rolling AWD treadmill in CO, they are to short for the AWD treadmill :) Good thing as 34" tires are the max size they do, I run 37's and my other set is 35" SO: Go to smogger, wait in line, Passed test ( fiddled to hook up manual rpm rev tester ), failed gas cap.... $25 Got gas cap, go to atm, get $100, got lunch ( get charged $1.75 at atm and again at my bank for my money ) Back to smogger wait in line , Fiddled for about 30+ mins w/ manual test ( AGAIN ), passed, passed gas cap :) free Go to DMV.... Hmmm out of state truck, go back to test station get vin check $9 Back to DMV, they don't take credit cards, reg is $168, but they have an atm... ATM runs out of money, spits out $40... Charges $1.75 still ( so does my bank ) By now its 4:45, mad dash to nearest bank. Get another $100, cost 1.75 at atm 1.75 at my bank Back to DMV, finally get plates... My day sucked, DMV's suck! it cost me $10.5 to get ahold of $240 of my dollars... The empty machine let me enter $100, asked me for the charge, I agree then spits out $40, and says sorry, have a nice day... I want my fee back! From bens Sat Jun 5 03:35:56 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i557ZuQr009756 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 03:35:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i557Zulm009755 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 03:35:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 03:35:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200406050735.i557ZuWE009751@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "tom walsh" To: Subject: RE: interesting Ford problem (O.T. at present) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > the guy that installed the new filter - he accidentally > "folded" it up on itself, pinching it...I actually got the > truck back this morning (imagine that - they told me Tuesday > before they would get the part, yet it was fixed at > 0930hrs...and I had it dropped off at closing time yesterday, > so so much for not having the part!). > > Charles Go find the new truck on the lot with a missing O-ring and a fuel puddle under it :) I never had that kind of probs getting ford parts..... Service on the other hand... Thank god I'm outa waranty just recently.... If you find a good stealership that somehow manages to fix your waranty issues and doesn't break other things, and doesn't try to bill you for waranty work ( and bill ford for it too, I bet )... Then stay with em, as of yet.... Most I just run away as fast as I can... Ugh! But this is true of almost every brand car I've owned ( cept amazingly the Wife's Saab.... Guess they new they had to keep all 87 of us customers in the U.S. happy, or they'd working at burger king :) TomW From bens Sat Jun 5 10:11:26 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i55EBQQr025645 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 10:11:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i55EBQMJ025644 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 10:11:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 10:11:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200406051411.i55EBQUV025640@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Dave G." To: Subject: Re: List mechanics Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...You subscribed to the list as hipine@worldnet.att.net, but the posts are coming through as hipine@att.net. ...." Thanks for the details. Helps me understand how the att thing works a little better, and I can probably fix the yahoo now too. Very much appreciate your help. -Dave G. From bens Sat Jun 5 10:58:05 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i55Ew5Qr027626 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 10:58:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i55Ew5UH027625 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 10:58:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 10:58:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200406051458.i55Ew4Ui027621@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Jeremy Bartlett To: mendo Subject: Re: interesting Ford problem (O.T. at present) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Charles, Interesting parts logistics problem you've got there. I'll add that dealing in requesting parts every day for the last several years this doesn't surprise me at all. Aftermarket suppliers, dealers, they're all the same. Errors in parts fiches and catalogs, wrong parts incompatible parts from year to year... Don't even get me started on shop manuals :). Aftermarket suppliers are of course a lot worse but one would think that a company could get it's own parts supply correct. The lack of fast moving inventory is curious; I've not seen that one yet anywhere in the LR supply chains so it's probably not top down from Ford. Some local dildo MBA probably decided it was a way to improve on just on time logistics. Jeremy From bens Sat Jun 5 13:22:17 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i55HMHQr001090 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 13:22:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i55HMHcd001089 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 13:22:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 13:22:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200406051722.i55HMGGL001084@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: ntucker@sfsu.edu To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Diesels in RRC Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Eric S. and Eric J. In regards to diesels (Int'l. 2.8) in a RRC, I noticed that Disco-Tech has a complete kit for around $7,500.00. Considering a 87-89 RRC with out engine from British Recycling can be had for around $500.00, it seemed plausible to bring the whole project in around $10k (not counting labor). Now, what do you have after all is said and done is an older RRC with a salvage title and a 145hp diesel engine for $10k plus your time and labor. To me it doesn't sound crazy at all. I personally enjoy only having older cars that were/are top of the line for their time. I am also into the whole Bio-fuel thing (1987 MBZ 300D) and would like to test out the reliability and power and ease of conversion on a RRC. Think of this type of project as R&D. Also, there is a possibility that Bio-fuel companies would use it for marketing and promotion etc. Craig? and also this may be a viable option for those who enjoy the RRC or Disco 1 and 90/110's as their mileage gets higher and the engine fails before the rest of the vehicle (as in my case). So, I was proposing a project with a shared cost/labor/workspace etc. Probably not plausible and definately not feesible.... Nathan From bens Sat Jun 5 14:44:49 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i55IinQr004405 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 14:44:49 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i55Iiniq004404 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 14:44:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 14:44:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200406051844.i55Iinkl004400@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Engine Swaps Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Nathan wrote: > Also, when the Int'l. 2.8 becomes for affordable that will be the > next power plant for my RRC... The 2.8L Powerstroke Diesel sure is a nice engine but when you can easily replace a worn out Rover V8 with a junk yard Rover V8 for next to nothing it is hard to find a logical reason to spend >$30K to put a diesel engine in a <$5K Range Rover. Don't get me wrong I think it is a cool idea, just like I thought it was cool when Bill Harrah put the Ferrari Daytona V12 in his Jeep Grand Cherokee. http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/petersen/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp?id=177632 http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/251280/216882.html?1047774858 East Coast Rovers does a lot of Tdi and Powerstroke conversions and their web site says: "If fuel mileage is your goal, think twice, you could buy about 17,000 gallons of gasoline for the cost of a Tdi conversion." At $1.50 a gallon that is $25,500 and someone posted to the CSO list a while back that a guy paid more for his 2.8L Powerstroke conversion than he paid for his Disco when he bought it brand new. http://www.eastcoastrover.com/Discotech2.html http://www.eastcoastrover.com/Tdiconversions.html Kevin From bens Sat Jun 5 15:57:45 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i55JviQr007486 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 15:57:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i55Jvi6k007485 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 15:57:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 15:57:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200406051957.i55JviRq007481@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Ted V Harwood II" To: Subject: Series Leaf springs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I need advice on replacing the leaf springs on my '62 88 that I am rebuilding. A set of British Pacific's springs would run about $450 if I pick them up. Genuine springs from Rovers North would run about $800 with shipping. Does anyone have experience with genuine vs. aftermarket springs? Is it worth $350 to get genuine? Thanks, Ted Harwood From bens Sat Jun 5 19:00:53 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i55N0rQr014910 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 19:00:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i55N0rZd014909 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 19:00:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 19:00:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200406052300.i55N0qeA014905@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "tom walsh" To: Subject: RE: Engine Swaps Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Nathan wrote: > > > Also, when the Int'l. 2.8 becomes for affordable that will > be the next > > power plant for my RRC... > The 2.8L Powerstroke Diesel sure is a nice engine but when > you can easily replace a worn out Rover V8 with a junk yard > Rover V8 for next to nothing it is hard to find a logical > reason to spend >$30K to put a diesel engine in a <$5K Range > Rover. > Kevin Everyones different, but it sounds like lunacy to me! At least in a financial way... All the other aspects are cool! It would be best to find someone who did all this and buy it from them at normal market rate.... Kinda like Paul buying my series, it had a lot of $ into it.... I planned on keeping it forever, same with the forward control... However, apparantly the wife had other ideas.... TomW From bens Sat Jun 5 19:12:43 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i55NChQr015308 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 19:12:43 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i55NChcb015307 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 19:12:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 19:12:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200406052312.i55NCh3Y015303@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series Leaf springs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm not positive but I think the springs BP sells are OEM. Company is British Steel. If you buy from them don't let them sell you handed springs. Every time I've seen handed springs put on a LHD series rig it leans. My advice is same spring side to side. That is what RN sells by default. TeriAnn > I need advice on replacing the leaf springs on my '62 88 that I am > rebuilding. A set of British Pacific's springs would run about $450 if > I > pick them up. Genuine springs from Rovers North would run about $800 > with > shipping. Does anyone have experience with genuine vs. aftermarket > springs? > Is it worth $350 to get genuine? Thanks, Ted Harwood > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Jun 5 19:37:35 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i55NbZQr016334 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 19:37:35 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i55NbZdg016333 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 19:37:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 19:37:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200406052337.i55NbZDL016329@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Ted V Harwood II" To: Subject: Re: Series Leaf springs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks TeriAnn. I am trying to talk myself into the BP springs based on the cost so this info helps. There are so many bloody decisions to make on a rebuild and this is the first big one I need to make to get the 88 back on it's wheels. Ted > I'm not positive but I think the springs BP sells are OEM. Company is > British Steel. If you buy from them don't let them sell you handed > springs. Every time I've seen handed springs put on a LHD series rig > it leans. My advice is same spring side to side. That is what RN > sells by default. > > TeriAnn From bens Sat Jun 5 19:44:28 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i55NiSQr016549 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 19:44:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i55NiSb8016548 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 19:44:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 19:44:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200406052344.i55NiS7b016544@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series Leaf springs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Thanks TeriAnn. I am trying to talk myself into the BP springs based > on the > cost so this info helps. There are so many bloody decisions to make on > a > rebuild and this is the first big one I need to make to get the 88 > back on > it's wheels. Ted If it helps, the BP springs under The Green Rover have been in place since '96 and are still going strong. But I'm just a sample size of 0ne. TeriAnn From bens Sat Jun 5 22:24:15 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i562OFQr022781 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:24:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i562OFIJ022780 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:24:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:24:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200406060224.i562OERr022776@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Diesels in RRC Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org how would one get the RR off smog roles? Is the engine EPA OK for the US? Are their other hoops you'd need to clear besides just taking the diesel to a smog referee and saying "look, it's diesel"? just curious, that's all, > So, I was proposing a project with a shared cost/labor/workspace etc. > Probably not plausible and definately not feesible.... > > Nathan > > John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby", 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2000 custom fixed gear (I built the frame), 2002 Merlin Extra Fat, 2004 Steve Rex (in progress) ours: 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Sat Jun 5 22:59:20 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i562xKQr024241 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:59:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i562xKsH024240 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:59:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:59:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200406060259.i562xJcj024236@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Diesels in RRC Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/enriched; ] [ 106 lines filtered. ] --Apple-Mail-2-809549311 charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed John (and Nathan,) The HS 2.8 is not EPA-certified. There are people who have taken their 300Tdi conversions to the local DMV, said "Hi, I just installed the Land Rover diesel in my Defender" and the obliging DMV employee, happily ignorant of the relevant CARB rules, said "Oh, cool, diesels in Calfornia are smog-exempt, here's you new registration, you'll never need a smog inspection again!" But, what would be your recourse if you weren't so lucky? If they didn't immediately enter your info in some CARB database or something, I suppose you could just canvas the state until you found a more-dim DMV clerk. Seems like a big risk to take. Alternately, you could install something that meets the relevant CARB rules, which are: 1. The donor engine must be the same year or newer as the donor vehicle. 2. The donor engine must be installed with the all the smog equipment that was installed in the donor vehicle. 3. The donor engine must have come from a vehicle as the same GVW *or lighter (but not heavier* as the recipient vehicle. 4. The donor engine must have met the Federal EPA certification if the recipient vehicle was originally not from California, plus the (possibly more stringent) Calfornia engine certification if the recipient vehicle was originally sold in Calfornia. (And it's this last one that stops the HS 2.8 Powerstroke Tdi and the 300 Tdi.) So, what are the choices for the '87-89 Range Rover?The 6.5 GM diesel, the '87 through '99 Mercedes 5 and 6 cylinder diesels, the VW 1.9 Tdi diesels (which can be chipped and tweaked to about the same power output as the 300 Tdi,) the 5.9L Cummins diesels - but they're way tall and heavy for anything other than a 130, in my opinion, and then the 6.9 and 7.3 Ford diesels - but they're heavy and large - and the GM Duramax, ditto. Craig Craig Reece Neoteric Biofuels http://www.biofuels.ca On Jun 5, 2004, at 7:24 PM, John Hess wrote: > > how would one get the RR off smog roles? Is the engine EPA OK for the > US? Are their other hoops you'd need to clear besides just taking the > diesel to a smog referee and saying "look, it's diesel"? > > just curious, that's all, > > >> So, I was proposing a project with a shared cost/labor/workspace etc. [ 15 additional quoted lines pruned. ] --Apple-Mail-2-809549311 From bens Sun Jun 6 03:24:33 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i567OWQr003799 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 03:24:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i567OW7w003798 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 03:24:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 03:24:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200406060724.i567OWAV003794@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "tom walsh" To: Subject: RE: Diesels in RRC Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > John (and Nathan,) > > The HS 2.8 is not EPA-certified. > Alternately, you could install something that meets the relevant CARB > rules, which are: > > ......... > 3. The donor engine must have come from a vehicle as the same GVW *or > lighter (but not heavier* as the recipient vehicle. > So, what are the choices for the '87-89 Range Rover?The 6.5 > ...... > 6.9 and 7.3 Ford diesels - but they're heavy and large - and the GM > Duramax, ditto. All rigs with these, also have a higher GVW... #3 TomW, use a donor 73 or older title! From bens Sun Jun 6 06:05:38 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i56A5cQr015288 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 06:05:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i56A5cQJ015287 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 06:05:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 06:05:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200406061005.i56A5bTa015280@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Deana Salgado" To: "Bens" Subject: Huge savings on phentermine - All meds delivered overnight Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 212 lines filtered. ] ----3151350973134323355 From bens Sun Jun 6 09:25:25 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i56DPPQr023032 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 09:25:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i56DPOe6023022 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 09:25:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 09:25:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200406061325.i56DPN9n023011@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Dave G." To: Subject: Re: Series Leaf springs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If you want to consider lining those springs with UHMWPE, it'll make a heck of a nice difference in the ride quality, especially on dirt roads and washboards, not to mention getting you more/easier flex on the trail. I have an article telling all the materials and steps I used to do it on my 109 if you're interested. I can share it off list if you like. I don't think it's on the web any more. -Dave G. From bens Sun Jun 6 11:51:43 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i56FphQr028768 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 11:51:43 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i56FphPN028767 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 11:51:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 11:51:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200406061551.i56Fphla028763@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Diesels in RRC Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Alternately, you could install something that meets the relevant CARB > rules, In addition, one could import a 197X European spec Rangie which would give you access to earlier diesel engines. I understand that some of the French models were pretty nice. I've noticed that the GM 6.2 diesels can be pretty cheap in wrecking yards. TeriAnn From bens Sun Jun 6 14:26:02 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i56IQ2Qr002457 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 14:26:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i56IQ2OW002456 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 14:26:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 14:26:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200406061826.i56IQ2aJ002452@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. Series Leaf springs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ted, In 7 yrs of 109 ownership, I've had new British Steel conventional leaf springs and Rocky Mtn Parabolic springs. I kept the conventionals for one yr and since then had the parabolics. I like them better for all the advertised reasons. The only significant concern is related to the 109 front end weight causing the "one size fits all" them to settle an inch after all the pounding I've put my truck thru. With an 88's lighter front end I don't think there's the same problem. Regards, JoeM Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 15:57:44 -0400 From: "Ted V Harwood II" Subject: Series Leaf springs I need advice on replacing the leaf springs on my '62 88 that I am rebuilding. A set of British Pacific's springs would run about $450 if I pick them up. Genuine springs from Rovers North would run about $800 with shipping. Does anyone have experience with genuine vs. aftermarket springs? Is it worth $350 to get genuine? Thanks, Ted Harwood __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From bens Sun Jun 6 16:11:16 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i56KBGQr006639 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:11:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i56KBGhT006638 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:11:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:11:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200406062011.i56KBFFb006634@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Jeremy Bartlett To: mendo Subject: Re: Diesels in RRC Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "So, what are the choices for the '87-89 Range Rover?The 6.5 GM diesel, the '87 through '99 Mercedes 5 and 6 cylinder diesels, the VW 1.9 Tdi diesels" Having worked on a 6.5GM diesel converted RRC I'd say it's not a very clean installation with a tendency to clunk onto the frame (poor clearance) and assorted other bits of butchery required or performed around the bellhousing. Don't forget you'd also be looking at swapping/hacking all the front end ancillaries too. What's your choice going to be for example on the matching of the power steering system (replacing the pump? custom hoses?....box??). It's also very noisy. It's probably just what this particular car was running too but it's on biodiesel and smelt like a fish and chips shop burning down :) Personally I think almost any conversion will get you into subsidiary nightmares that will probably run close to the cost of the primary system conversion by the time all is said and done. Unless you've got compelling reasons for a change (and that includes social :) ) I think the best you can do is make sure the stock powertrain is in good condition. As I've said before even a fresh stock 2.25 is decent in modern traffic. Open it up a bit and dollar for dollar I think it'll hold it's own with any conversion. But I digress again ... :) As a final aside oddly enough one of the cleanest conversions I've ever seen is a Jeep 6 cyl and drivetrain put into a Series vehicle. Jeremy From bens Sun Jun 6 17:17:05 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i56LH5Qr009276 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:17:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i56LH50p009275 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:17:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:17:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200406062117.i56LH4mI009271@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Granville" To: Subject: Re: John Kirn's 109 FS? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John, Yes, it is John Kirn's Rover and a very nice one it is, too. I asked Gordon Kallio and he confirmed it. Granny > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&rd=1&item=2480922773&category=6296 > > Gerry, Granny who's truck is this? From bens Sun Jun 6 20:20:55 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i570KtQr016690 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 20:20:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i570Kt6H016689 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 20:20:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 20:20:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200406070020.i570KtEx016685@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series Leaf springs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I don't think it's on the web any more. I still have my page up about using ultra high density plastic strips between the leaves. And yes it makes a huge difference. TeriAnn From bens Sun Jun 6 21:07:43 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5717hQr018498 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:07:43 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5717hWc018497 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:07:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:07:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200406070107.i5717hMf018493@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Rich Williams" To: Subject: Re: re. Series Leaf springs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Joe - With the parabolics on your 109 do you find that the truck tends to sway or lean more than with stock springs? - Rich 1960 SII 109 SW ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe mulqueen" To: "mendo" Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 11:26 AM Subject: re. Series Leaf springs > > Ted, > In 7 yrs of 109 ownership, I've had new British Steel > conventional leaf springs and Rocky Mtn Parabolic > springs. I kept the conventionals for one yr and > since then had the parabolics. I like them better for > all the advertised reasons. The only significant > concern is related to the 109 front end weight causing > the "one size fits all" them to settle an inch after [ 33 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Jun 6 22:07:24 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5727OQr020851 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 22:07:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5727O8q020850 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 22:07:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 22:07:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200406070207.i5727Oe6020846@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Hope Peter" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Engine Swaps Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I planned on keeping it forever, same with the forward control... > However, apparantly the wife had other ideas.... > > TomW Your wife pregnant too Tom? I have recently been informed that the rest of my coiler project "must go to make room for baby". I didnt realise that the kid was going to be sleeping in the garage but what do I know... :) Pete From bens Sun Jun 6 23:48:36 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i573maQr024848 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:48:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i573mabr024847 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:48:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:48:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200406070348.i573mZue024843@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo \(E-mail\)" Subject: series leaf springs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org To whomever was asking... I have generic BritPac left hand front leafers on my 109 (that-is lefties on each side a la TeriAnn) and they are fine and level. Mounted 'em in late '99, about 20k miles ago. So maybe that is 2 data points for you now.. Cheers. -------------------------------------------------------- This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information intended for the specific individual or entity addressed, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient you must not disseminate, forward, print or copy it in any form or take any action or reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message or by calling +1 510-844-3000. Thank you. -------------------------------------------------------- From bens Sun Jun 6 23:51:22 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i573pMQr025068 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:51:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i573pMdG025067 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:51:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:51:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200406070351.i573pL90025063@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "tom walsh" To: Subject: RE: Engine Swaps Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > I planned on keeping it forever, same with the forward control... > > However, apparantly the wife had other ideas.... > > > > TomW > > Your wife pregnant too Tom? > > I have recently been informed that the rest of my coiler > project "must [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Amazingly she was at the time when the 101 had to go! When the series went I was a new dad! It must be a hormonal thing ( uhm... Not yours and mine either ) TomW... Oh... Didn't you read the fine print? The kids not sleeping in the garage..... YOU ARE :) From bens Mon Jun 7 00:05:50 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5745oQr025772 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 00:05:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5745oTx025771 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 00:05:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 00:05:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200406070405.i5745oZ5025767@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo \(E-mail\)" Subject: sightings? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Catching up on my Mendos... Bruce, the antique trucks you saw before (or after?) Mem Day Weekend were likely going to the ATHS (that's American Truck Historical Society) nat'l convention at the Pomona Speedway. I was thinking about going (I'm a member and went 2-3 yrs ago when it was in Reno). Very cool. Something Rover related? Man did I see a bevvy of Rovers over the weekend: red 110 with brand new BFG Track Edges, a cool dark grey D90 TDi, a yellow lightweight, a couple barnyard SIII 88s, a 101 and a freshly ex-MOD 90 pulling a cute little trailer. The first two were in London, the middle few were in Hampshire, and the last was on the M25 enroute to Heathrow this morning (wished I'd had the cab driver slow down so I could grab a shot!). Spotted a few nice pints of bitter here and there, too. 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Thank you. -------------------------------------------------------- From bens Mon Jun 7 01:44:53 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i575irQr031078 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 01:44:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i575irY0031077 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 01:44:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 01:44:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200406070544.i575iqnP031073@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Hope Peter" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Engine Swaps Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > TomW... Oh... Didn't you read the fine print? The kids not sleeping in > the garage..... YOU ARE :) > LMAO I didnt even catch that...doah!!! From bens Mon Jun 7 12:34:35 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i57GYZQr025921 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:34:35 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i57GYZGC025920 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:34:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:34:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200406071634.i57GYZvJ025916@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: shukait@mac.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: South Bay Lunch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, I hope you can make it: South Bay Lunch - June 8th, Sunnyvale, CA Join us for a brief lunch in the South Bay area mid-week to talk about all things Land Rover, poke a few tires, then back to work! Meet in the restaurant about 11:45-noon the 2nd Tuesday of each month to take part. First person to arrive should grab a table. Scruffy Murphy's Irish Pub & Restaurant 187 South Murphy Avenue Sunnyvale, Ca. 94086 408-735-7394 Cheers, Keith & Pam Shukait 1997 Land Rover Discovery XD "YLLWJKT" 1969 Land Rover Series IIA ExMoD 109 Regular "Millie" 1967 Land Rover Series IIA NADA 6 Cylinder Dormobile "Indiana" From bens Mon Jun 7 15:53:14 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i57JrEQr002078 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:53:14 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i57JrEiP002077 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:53:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:53:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200406071953.i57JrE6u002073@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: BwanaE@aol.com To: jfischer160@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Blue Lakes Trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 71 lines filtered. ] In a message dated 06/01/2004 2:09:15 PM Hawaiian Standard Time, jfischer160@hotmail.com writes: > Any additional info you might > have would be greatly appreciated. What to expect, what to bring, Gas > stations accessible? Etc... > > Welcome to the club Joshua! We're always happy to see new faces out on the trail. Here's a bit more info on what to expect... Dusty, silty trails mixed with boulders from grapefruit to bowling ball size. Some technical sections climbing up and down small granite shelves of 5-7 feet. As stated, we have taken many stock Discos through in years past without too much drama...just proceed slowly and follow all of your spotter's hand signals. I guarantee you'll have a good time and learn a lot about your truck. As to safety items, I'll be inspecting for: 1. A mounted fire extinguisher within reach of the driver. 2. Solid seatbelts. 3. Solid handbrake. 4. Front and rear recovery points are mandatory! Note that the factory steel "loops" underneath are not recovery points...they are merely for tying the vehicle down onto car transports. 5. A C.B. radio, preferably mounted with a good external antenna, but a handheld will suffice. Folks without aux tanks usually fill up one last time at Camp Connell about 30 minutes from the trailhead. That plus a 5-gal gas can will get you through the whole weekend. Bring your own water as our camp sites are sometimes impromptu and always undeveloped. Bring mosquito repellent and a light jacket for the evenings. Food is up to each individual...we don't do formal potlucks. We do however rotate around the campfire good wine, good single malt scotch, and an occasional Port. The last item I'd like to stress is vehicle loading. Bring only what you truly need for a two-day outing, and pack everything as low in the vehicle as possible. I really, really hate to see loaded roof racks as they dramatically alter a truck's CG and you will be tiptoeing through some off camber bits. Best regards, Eric. Eric Cope 1232 Appaloosa Road Angels Camp, CA. 95222 Home phone: 209-736-9279 Cell phone: 209-988-2842 E-mail: BwanaE@aol.com From bens Mon Jun 7 16:39:35 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i57KdZQr004058 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:39:35 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i57KdZk1004057 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:39:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:39:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200406072039.i57KdYGP004053@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: shukait@mac.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Sighting: OT Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, I to the family to the Porsche Swap Meet at Parts Heaven in Hayward on Sunday. Everyone had lots of old parts lining both sides of the street. One guy brought all is stuff in a Pinzgauer 6x6 Diesel. It was way cool. The only Rover there was our Discovery XD. Lots of cool stuff and cars, I wish there were Land Rover Auto Jumbles here in the states. Cheers, Keith From bens Mon Jun 7 23:42:56 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i583guQr021370 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:42:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i583guxG021369 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:42:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:42:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200406080342.i583guhc021365@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Re: re. Series Leaf springs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rich, Yes - but it's not necessarily a bad thing, but(#2)there's also alot of "stuff" to consider regarding vehicle suspension and its affect on handling and I'm not an authority on anything more than my experiences. Parabolics have less friction than the "multileafs" and allow add'll movement while still supporting pretty much same weight. Meanwhile, a LR with leaf springs is pretty much dead stable and it's hard to rock 'em around. To me the add'l lean while cornerning isn't a problem, and if anything, it's a gradual indication when to back off during high speed cornering. I've tried to simulate an evasive manuever by jerking the steering wheel pretty hard on freeway clover leafs. Yes, it's possible to tip the truck but I don't think I'd blame the springs if it happened. Now then again, I started with the RM 4 leafers on the rear. I felt they were too stiff/high for my rarely loaded truck. I even loaded about 700 lbs of heavy, dense counter top material to see if I could flatten out the truck (it was still high in the tail). A year later I got 3 leafers for the rear even though Ray Wood (Wise Owl) originally frowned the idea for a 109 SW. On my truck they're OK *accept* when I load the rear with anything more than a few hundred pounds (and it also depends how far back the weight is). One time I took a trip into SF with 6 adults on board. We drove all over the city and it was a very cushy ride hitting the bumps and "jumps" but we were a low in the tail with the 3 leafers and I could feel the weight moving the truck around. So if you want to carry any appreciable load - go with the 4 leafers (or install the TI Console 3+1 109 rears like I have in my garage). Regards - and comments / opinions welcome. Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:07:43 -0400 From: "Rich Williams" Subject: Re: re. Series Leaf springs Joe - With the parabolics on your 109 do you find that the truck tends to sway or lean more than with stock springs? - Rich 1960 SII 109 SW __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From bens Tue Jun 8 00:11:08 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i584B8Qr023170 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:11:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i584B8pS023169 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:11:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:11:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200406080411.i584B899023165@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Granville" To: Subject: Re: John Kirn's 109 FS? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I took the time to read most of John Kirn's ad on e-Bay, just now. He summed up Land-Rover ownership all too well: "Remember, driving a Land Rover is like sex. You never have all that you wanted but occasionally you have all you can stand." Here, here! Granny From bens Tue Jun 8 09:52:58 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i58DqwQr015870 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:52:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i58Dqwp2015869 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:52:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:52:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200406081352.i58DqvPr015865@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Ted V Harwood II" To: Subject: Re: re. Series Leaf springs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks eveyone for the advice on leaf springs. There is a lot of information to mull over. I guess my main problem with parabolics is the fact that they look so different from stock. This may be a silly point but I do want the truck to look orriginal. Also I am not really sure that I want an improved ride, the rough ride has always been part of the beast. Although I am a bit stiffer myself since I last had a Rover as my daily driver so they might be a good option. Lining the stock spring sound like a good idea too and I will look into it. Well as usual there seem to be two options to choose from now all I have to do is talk myself into one. Well off to work I go, Ted From bens Tue Jun 8 10:26:24 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i58EQOQr017330 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:26:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i58EQOWH017329 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:26:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:26:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200406081426.i58EQNBW017325@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: re. Series Leaf springs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Also I am not really sure that I want an improved > ride, the rough ride has always been part of the beast. The ultra high density sheets between the leaves do make a real noticeable difference in ride, not as much as parabolics but enough to make a world of difference on wash board surfaces while keeping that site to side body lean stiffness. Another thing is not to over spring your rig. A leaf spring pack is designed to be compliant (flex) within a certain load range. If you go to a heavier duty set of springs than your actual axle weight then you will have little to no spring movement and your teeth rattle around on those bumps. Your articulation starts to approach zero as you go to heavier duty springs. You want those springs to flex. Your best ride and best articulation is when the fully loaded axle weight approaches the design maximum weight load of the spring. Fill your vehicle with the max you weight load ever expect to take off road, take it down to a public scale and weigh the front axles then the rear axles. Choose the springs with the proper load weight for your actual off road load (on tarmac rating is always higher than the off road load weight rating). Stick ultra high density plastic sheets between the leaves and you should be happy with the results. Yes they will not absorb bumps quite as well as parabolics picked for your actual axle weights, but they will be fairly close and you will retain the elliptical spring pack's resistance to side to side body lean. TeriAnn From bens Tue Jun 8 18:03:09 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i58M39Qr003936 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:03:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i58M39km003935 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:03:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:03:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200406082203.i58M38A6003931@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Daniel E. Smith" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Lapping tool or 2.25 oil pump (housing) needed Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Greetings All, I am in need of a lapping tool to renew the seat for my relief valve in the top part of the oil pump housing. I know I can make one with some rod and an old valve ball, but I do not have a torch to do so. If a lapping tool is not available to be loaned, I would be in the market for a good pump or pump housing. I have new pump gears, spring and ball, but my pressure is still way too low on my rebuilt engine. Thank You, Daniel __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From bens Tue Jun 8 18:21:52 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i58MLqQr004738 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:21:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i58MLqxq004737 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:21:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:21:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200406082221.i58MLqAf004733@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: re. Series Leaf springs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Installing the high density film just seems like a whole lot of extra work, and after all is said and done, its still not as good as parabolics. I've seen Joe's 109 perform on one of the Black Rock trips. The road was mostly bad jeep trail - lots of loose, fist sized rocks and a good dose of washboard thrown in for fun. I must say, he was able to move along with the stock coil-sprung Rangies on the bad road. The HD Old Man Emu Rangies and Series with stock springs were no match. I didn't see his rig doing the Hula-Hula on any of the bad sections. If you've got some time to kill, and want to seemingly save a few bucks, fiddling with the stock springs are one way to go. I'd just get the para's and be done with it. JMO. From bens Tue Jun 8 18:35:02 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i58MZ2Qr005215 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:35:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i58MZ2Xa005214 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:35:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:35:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200406082235.i58MZ2eu005210@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: re. Series Leaf springs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I aggree with Eric here I've use new replacement springs as well as parapolics, and simply love teh parapolics! On that note...anyone have a lead on good used front parabolics? ;-) after the er..um..incident in November, it turns out I now need to replace the left front ti-console? parabolic as it's all bent to hell! ;-( does anyone have a set of two-leaf front parabolics they may have removed to upgrade to something more heavy duty? I really want to get the Series III running again for summer. paul --- Eric Johnson wrote: > > > Installing the high density film > just seems like a whole lot of extra work, and after all > is said and done, its still not as good as parabolics. > If you've got some time to kill, and want to seemingly > save a few bucks, fiddling with the stock springs are one > way to go. I'd just get the para's and be done with it. From bens Tue Jun 8 19:56:38 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i58NucQr008594 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:56:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i58Nuc0X008593 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:56:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:56:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200406082356.i58NubBh008589@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: re. Series Leaf springs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have rocky Mountain Parabolics on mine and I went to Death valley with them. I had already been on the old stock springs and the difference was huge. Death Valley is 3 hours of washboarding to the hot springs alone when you come in from the north. Get parabolics. They are great. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Johnson" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 3:21 PM Subject: Re: re. Series Leaf springs > > > Installing the high density film > just seems like a whole lot of extra work, and after all is said and done, its still not as good as parabolics. > I've seen Joe's 109 perform on one of the Black Rock trips. The road was mostly bad jeep trail - lots of loose, fist sized rocks and a good dose of washboard thrown in for fun. > I must say, he was able to move along with the stock coil-sprung Rangies on the bad road. The HD Old Man Emu Rangies and Series with stock springs were no match. > I didn't see his rig doing the Hula-Hula on any of the bad sections. > If you've got some time to kill, and want to seemingly save a few bucks, fiddling with the stock springs are one way to go. I'd just get the para's and be done with it. JMO. > > > From bens Tue Jun 8 23:28:17 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i593SHQr017072 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:28:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i593SHVJ017071 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:28:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:28:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200406090328.i593SHae017067@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Dave G." To: Subject: Re: re. Series Leaf springs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "Installing the high density film....its still not as good as parabolics...." You're right.....It's better. :^) Different folks have different needs, and different solutions address them all. -Dave G. From bens Tue Jun 8 23:40:38 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i593ecQr017673 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:40:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i593ec1i017672 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:40:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:40:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200406090340.i593eb1g017668@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Dave G." To: Subject: Re: re. Series Leaf springs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....I aggree with Eric here I've use new replacement springs as well as parapolics, and simply love the parapolics!..." So you've not driven on lined semi-elliptics and yet feel inclined to agree with the opinion of another who hasn't either? Well....okay. :^) And just to be clear, it's not about killing time or saving money. It's about achieving a desired performance package that wasn't offered off the shelf. Having one's cake and eating it too as it were. If the individual's needs are served by what's available off the shelf, well by all means buy one of those solutions. It sounded to me like the desires of the original poster weren't quite met by either parabolic or stock semi-elliptics. Neither were mine. My particular combination of desires came together nicely with the middle ground of the lined semi-elliptics. It's another viable option for some folks. -Dave G. From bens Wed Jun 9 00:38:20 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i594cKQr021359 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:38:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i594cK4D021358 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:38:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:38:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200406090438.i594cJvP021354@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: cirvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Back again - I think! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Okay...the ISP's email server crashed AGAIN! (I admit there have been more problems since Go Visalia was bought by US Highspeed...) And again, everything was lost...:( (though there wasn't much to lose this time...) First time I've been able to use them for email since Saturday afternoon...did I miss anything??? Eric Cope!!! Please send me info (dates & such) on the Blue Lakes trip again...pleeeeeeze? I really want to make an attempt at making that trip this year! Gerry Elam - you still lurking??? If so, email me! Jeremy - all lights are green, but I lost your info email again...:( Hopefully in a few weeks, the mission will be complete. Paul - send me that URL. All: I dunno if I'll have this email tomorrow, so send any personal stuff (for the time being) to my old cirvin1258@juno.com for now...Oh, the concrete for the "garage" pad was poured this A.M.!!!!!! Charles - who while the Series rigs are un-insured at present, I did fire 'em up over the weekend...both are running great! From bens Wed Jun 9 00:42:55 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i594gtQr021868 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:42:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i594gtK0021867 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:42:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:42:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200406090442.i594gsd8021863@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: cirvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: re. Series Leaf springs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I missed the beginning (and the rest of) of this thread, but I see the gist of it: I've ridden in/driven trucks with both, and MY PERSONAL preference is still the 1-ton springs: to me, the "harsher" ride is better. However, I do like the soft ride of the parobolics as well, and if I build a rig that will be specifically for carting Janet around, it'll probably have them. But - if I build a rig just for her, it's getting 1-ton's. (I've seen her drive off-road...) Maybe when she's more experienced I'll switch her rig to parobolics. :) Charles -----Original message----- From: "Dave G." hipine@worldnet.att.net Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:40:38 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: re. Series Leaf springs > > "....I aggree with Eric here I've use new replacement springs as well as > parapolics, and simply love the parapolics!..." > > So you've not driven on lined semi-elliptics and yet feel inclined to agree > with the opinion of another who hasn't either? Well....okay. :^) > > And just to be clear, it's not about killing time or saving money. It's > about achieving a desired performance package that wasn't offered off the [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jun 9 08:44:00 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i59Ci0Qr009080 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 08:44:00 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i59Ci0fe009079 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 08:44:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 08:44:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200406091244.i59Ci0J9009075@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Bob and Sue B To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Lapping tool or 2.25 oil pump (housing) needed Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Daniel, I have a few used oil pumps and you would be welcome to one for the postage. Or where are you? Would you be coming to Chico for the brit car show? Bob B At 06:03 PM 6/8/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Greetings All, > >I am in need of a lapping tool to renew the seat for >my relief valve in the top part of the oil pump >housing. I know I can make one with some rod and an >old valve ball, but I do not have a torch to do so. > >If a lapping tool is not available to be loaned, I >would be in the market for a good pump or pump [ 14 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jun 9 09:46:53 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i59DkrQr011893 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:46:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i59DkrHA011892 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:46:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:46:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200406091346.i59Dkqfx011888@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: re. Series Leaf springs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org so Dave, isn't the installation of UHMWPE actually countering the performance specifications that Land Rover came up with? Leaf springs have inherent springiness in each leaf, and inherent friction between the leaves to give an over all value of force needed for given deflection. It would appear to me that you have changed that? scratch head then reply, On Jun 8, 2004, at 8:40 PM, Dave G. wrote: > > "....I aggree with Eric here I've use new replacement springs as well > as > parapolics, and simply love the parapolics!..." > > So you've not driven on lined semi-elliptics and yet feel inclined to > agree > with the opinion of another who hasn't either? Well....okay. :^) > [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby", 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2000 custom fixed gear (I built the frame), 2002 Merlin Extra Fat, 2004 Steve Rex (in progress) ours: 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Wed Jun 9 11:02:51 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i59F2pQr015205 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 11:02:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i59F2pgp015204 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 11:02:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 11:02:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200406091502.i59F2oKR015200@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: re. Series Leaf springs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I think that we think these old Land Rovers have finer tolerances than they actually do. When they were designed, it was a case of bolting something on, looking at it, seeing if it worked and if it did, leaving it on. Nothing high tech at all. All spring arrangements work, it's just which each person prefers for their rig. Mark Pilkington. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hess" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 6:46 AM Subject: Re: re. Series Leaf springs > > so Dave, isn't the installation of UHMWPE actually countering the > performance specifications that Land Rover came up with? Leaf springs > have inherent springiness in each leaf, and inherent friction between > the leaves to give an over all value of force needed for given > deflection. It would appear to me that you have changed that? > > scratch head then reply, > [ 24 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jun 9 12:43:21 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i59GhLQr019680 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:43:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i59GhL9p019679 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:43:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:43:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200406091643.i59GhKI7019675@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: hipine@att.net To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: re. Series Leaf springs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....isn't the installation of UHMWPE actually countering the performance specifications that Land Rover came up with?...." Absolutely. That was the idea (how I blaspheme!). As you know John, leaf springs in addition to acting as springs also act as dampers. The damping action being accomplished by the friction between the leaves. The trouble is, that damping action is too variable (as springs wear, rust, etc), and for my tastes, way too high. Both parabolics and spring linings attempt to reduce or eliminate the damping inherent in the leaf spring pack, and move it to where it can be more repeatable and better controlled - into the telescopic hydraulic damper fitted at each wheel. I didn't feel a need for different shocks when I did my spring lining. But then, my old springs were so shot, I can't offer any insight to what someone else might find. In any case with the lining, I'd TRY it with your old shocks, and then get new or different ones if the need presented itself. Since parabolics virtually eliminate inter-leaf damping friction, I think the purveyors of those springs always recommend a shock other than the stock ones, but I'm not certain of that. Mark hit it on the head whe he said: "....it's just which each person prefers for their rig...." I liked the way my 109 diesel sw worked with the lined 1-ton springs better than the stock and parabolic setups I'd ridden in. But, each person has their own needs and desires. It's nice that LRs are so friendly to making minor adaptations to the original to get what the individual wants. I was able to successfully zip and mail the spring lining article to Bob B last weekend. I can do it again easily enough if anyone else is interested. This is the one that used to be on my website when I was filching space from D-90.com and now languishes on my hard drive since they booted me out. :^) It's a little different from what TAW has on her site I think - though I couldn't find my link to that one just now. -Dave G. From bens Wed Jun 9 12:51:43 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i59GphQr020114 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:51:43 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i59Gphdu020113 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:51:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:51:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200406091651.i59GphtZ020109@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: re. Series Leaf springs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Different folks have different needs, and different solutions address > them > all. Best summary yet! Me? I'm phobic about drop-offs and try to stay away from wheeling on the sides of cliffs or steep mountain sides (which is why I'm very seldom seen at Mendo). I prefer my wheeling to be fun and away from places where a slight over-tip or weave can send you and the Rover tumbling down to the rocks far below. I've got it so bad that the paved road coming out of Yosemite down to lake Mono presents a high pucker factor. This translates to me being fanatic when it comes to the Rover's dynamic centre of gravity. Every design modification I have done with The Green Rover has been evaluated on the basis of how it affects the centre of gravity and lateral roll stability. Which is why I will never go to parabolic springs and even turned down an offer of a free set along with the shocks & mounting fixings from a prominent non US supplier. The elliptical spring pack, with its leaves in solid contact with one another presents inherently better torsional resistance. And because of my well developed phobia I vote for most anything that does not increase lateral roll over anything that does. Elliptical springs of the correct load range for the off road weight of the vehicle plus sheets of ultra high density plastic really do tame the washboard roads. They provide better lateral stability, and are less subject to axle wrap than parabolics of the correct load range for the vehicle's off road weight. For me personally a modified elliptical spring pack is the best way to go. For others??? TeriAnn Who sometimes gets a brief panic gut feeling just watching TV when an actor looks down a long drop from the edge. From bens Wed Jun 9 13:09:36 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i59H9aQr020888 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:09:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i59H9adH020887 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:09:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:09:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200406091709.i59H9aiX020883@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: re. Series Leaf springs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > Me? I'm phobic about drop-offs and try to stay away from > wheeling on > the sides of cliffs or steep mountain sides > Who sometimes gets a brief panic gut feeling just > watching TV when an > actor looks down a long drop from the edge. and this is comng from a woman with a pilots lisence! ;-) paul From bens Wed Jun 9 13:52:33 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i59HqXQr022683 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:52:33 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i59HqXcL022682 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:52:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:52:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200406091752.i59HqWeH022678@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Elam, Gerry \(Corporate\)" To: Subject: RE: Back again - I think! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 28 lines filtered. ] Yo bro...I'm here but really haven't announced my presence. I don't want people to know how much I miss everyone along with the LR's. :-) Cheers, Gerry From bens Wed Jun 9 14:00:10 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i59I0AQr023004 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:00:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i59I0ApH023003 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:00:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:00:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200406091800.i59I0ART022999@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: re. Series Leaf springs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I don't like heights like buildings and cliffs or even putting an antenna on the roof, but I fly every day and can bank over steeply knowing that there is a 37 year old seat belt and less than a millimeter of aluminum and plastic between me and thousands of feet to cirtain death and it doesn't bother me. I think flying does not count when it comes to hights because you are moving. I have not tried a hot air balloon though. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Archibald" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 10:09 AM Subject: Re: re. Series Leaf springs > > > --- TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > > Me? I'm phobic about drop-offs and try to stay away from > > wheeling on > > the sides of cliffs or steep mountain sides > > > Who sometimes gets a brief panic gut feeling just > > watching TV when an [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jun 9 14:47:47 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i59IllQr024907 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:47:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i59IllJb024906 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:47:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:47:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200406091847.i59IlkHO024902@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: fear of heights when rovering or othertimes..was Re: re. Series Leaf springs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Mark Pilkington wrote: > I don't like heights like buildings and cliffs or even > putting an antenna on > the roof, but I fly every day and can bank over steeply > knowing that there > is a 37 year old seat belt and less than a millimeter of > aluminum and > plastic between me and thousands of feet to cirtain death > and it doesn't > bother me. me too! even when with the doors off taking photos! ..but don't feel too comfy up on old shaky ladder fixing second-story gutters to teh new roof! well your seat-belt may be 37 years old, but it had to be sent in to be re-stiched and re-certified as some time..or should be at least... > I think flying does not count when it comes to hights > because you are > moving. I have not tried a hot air balloon though. nah! same deal when in a glider or balloon(actually amazingly they make you fel even better..no fear.....until you are landing that glider as you get ONE chance..I like tha ability to push full throttle and go-around if needed! regarding rovers on steel pff-camber trails? I have to admit to being a wimp as I get uncomfortable...but I did manage to safely place the disco on it's side once, and recover myself before help could arrive(different situation there) I am not comfortable in a vehicle or on a dirt-bike on really steep down-slopes....but do recall going downhill at mendo riding shotgun with Gerry Mugle when I realized how difficult it had been the previous year on my wr-250...he took it like a sunday drive Paul(with extra-tippy disco and series that feel just right with parabolics when on or off road..even off-camber...the disco on a off-camber bump feels like it wants to tip at times...) From bens Wed Jun 9 17:01:52 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i59L1qQr030507 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 17:01:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i59L1qUm030506 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 17:01:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 17:01:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200406092101.i59L1qvM030502@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: hipine@att.net To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Shocks now Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Taming washboards, negotiating freeway on-ramps, and managing tippiness in changing off-camber positions brings up shocks. I was looking for a good alternative shock for the G recently. Bilstein is a pretty standard aftermarket shock for them, but I found they were too harsh for my tastes on dirt roads and washboards (loved the bilsteins in the Range Rover, and on our Astro, but the valving they picked for the G didn;t cut it for me). Some folks have tried OMEs, but they didn't like the tippy-ness in rough off camber stuff. With some help from Chuck Henry I got set up with some shocks from Doetch. They're fully rebuildable and revalveable, so I figure I've bought my last set of shocks for the G, they come in steel or aluminum bodies, internal or remote reservoir, gas charged or not. And you can choose your valving stiffness for jounce and rebound on a scale of 1-5 in each case (internally set-up not externally selectable). I ended up with the "4" valving in both cases and I've been really happy with them. They're more compliant on the bumps and washboards than my old Bilsteins were, but still offer a really high degree of stability in rough off-camber (lockers required) type stuff. If anyone's interested, you can get a look at them in the "Shock Absorber Install" article in the maintenance category of the G-tech section at ClubGwagen.com: http://www.clubgwagen.com/gtech.php?pageTitle=tech%20article&sid=item&tid=52 And to those who requested copies of the spring lining write-up, I'll send them when I get home tonight. -Dave G. From bens Wed Jun 9 19:15:53 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i59NFrQr003617 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:15:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i59NFril003616 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:15:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:15:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200406092315.i59NFqcu003608@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Terra Valentine" To: "Bens" Subject: Supersavings on all meds Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 212 lines filtered. ] ----704692518076984 From bens Thu Jun 10 00:31:18 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5A4VIQr017692 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 00:31:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5A4VIPR017691 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 00:31:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 00:31:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200406100431.i5A4VHFZ017687@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "tom walsh" To: Subject: RE: re. Series Leaf springs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'll take a set of directions, I'm considering doing my Ford with it actually. TomW > > I was able to successfully zip and mail the spring lining > article to Bob B last weekend. I can do it again easily > enough if anyone else is interested. From bens Thu Jun 10 00:38:49 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5A4cnQr017915 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 00:38:49 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5A4cnv1017914 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 00:38:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 00:38:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200406100438.i5A4cnKo017910@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "tom walsh" To: Subject: RE: fear of heights when rovering or othertimes..was Re: re. Series Leaf springs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Paul(with extra-tippy disco and series that feel just right > with parabolics when on or off road..even off-camber...the > disco on a off-camber bump feels like it wants to tip at > times...) Remember Paul, you are flying the Disco not driving it! You bank her into corners just like an airplane... If you can "feel" this then you've got the hang of it :) PS: there are 4 adjustable shocks back there, crank em up ( especially the inboard ones ) and it should be stiff enough to grate your teeth ( of course by now I bet its time for new ones as those are prolly shot ) TomW From bens Thu Jun 10 01:28:52 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5A5SqQr020221 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:28:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5A5SqmH020220 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:28:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:28:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200406100528.i5A5SqNc020216@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Springs and Heights Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This is all good reading. I've been wondering what to do with the spring situation on the Dormobile. I've driven Joe Mulqueen's SW and TeriAnn's Dormobile but not enough to determine what set up would be the best. I'd like to drive both trucks off road and get a better feeling. With the limited knowledge I have, I'm leaning toward stock springs with the plastic inserts. Questions: 1. Where can I get the plastic? 2. How thick should it be? 3. How much of the spring should the plastic cover? 4. How do you keep them from slipping out between the leafs? 5. How long do the plastic inserts last before they have to be changed? 6. I hate when the leafs rust and look bad, could I power coat them and add the plastic strips? I'm not big on heights either, but still had a great time shooting the M60 Machine Gun out the door on a HH-3E Jolly Green Giant Helicopter. We wore a gunners belt that tethered us to the floor. Hanging out the door working the hoist was fun too. For some reason I was never concerned, but when I went up in a Hot Air Balloon, I could wait to get back down on the ground. I couldn't get out of that thing fast enough. Cheers, Keith From bens Thu Jun 10 09:35:24 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5ADZOQr007792 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:35:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5ADZOY7007784 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:35:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:35:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200406101335.i5ADZNP0007776@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: hipine@att.net To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Springs and Heights Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...I'm leaning toward stock springs with the plastic inserts. Questions:..." The article has all that stuff, at least my approaches. I'll send you a copy when I get home tonight (Tom too). I wouldn't powdercoat springs. (but hell, I won't hardly powdercoat anything as I tend to favor maintainable finishes) The coating will crack when the springs flex. I used a UV-stable version of the POR15 (moisture cure urethane) formula from Pettit, called Rust Loc. It's supposed to be a primer, but I never painted over it. OF course, you have to be able to stand the silver color to use that one. Others are available though. All the products and sources I used are in the article. -Dave G. From bens Thu Jun 10 09:58:24 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5ADwOQr008612 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:58:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5ADwOeu008611 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:58:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:58:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200406101358.i5ADwOkp008607@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Springs and Heights Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org That's the ticket Keith, silver springs! Very sharp. Maybe paint the axle case as well? As far as springs go, I like the parabolics on Stubby; they're green, which is a bit weird, but I'm used to it. On Elvis, I have the original when I got the truck front springs and on the rear I put 109 1 ton. Years ago at Portland, when he and I were new LR owners, Michael Slade spotted my truck sitting up high and offered to swap springs right there, his 109 SW springs for mine. At that time I was a bit concerned because the Dormie was up high. I'm no longer concerned, it's still up high, but I've driven a few places and like the ride. The truck is pretty level although new front springs might be in the future. happy thursday, > crack when the springs flex. I used a UV-stable version of the POR15 > (moisture cure urethane) formula from Pettit, called Rust Loc. It's > supposed to be a primer, but I never painted over it. OF course, you > have to be able to stand the silver color to use that one. Others are > available though. All the products and sources I used are in the > article. > > -Dave G. > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby", 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2000 custom fixed gear (I built the frame), 2002 Merlin Extra Fat, 2004 Steve Rex (in progress) ours: 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Thu Jun 10 10:11:50 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5AEBoQr009202 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:11:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5AEBoIS009201 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:11:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:11:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200406101411.i5AEBoAT009197@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Springs and Heights Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/enriched; ] [ 90 lines filtered. ] --Apple-Mail-34--951979989 charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > 1. Where can I get the plastic? > 2. How thick should it be? > 3. How much of the spring should the plastic cover? Here is a copy & paste from one of my web pages: Once you have the springs that provide the best dampening for the weight of your vehicle, the next step is to minimize the friction between the individual leaves. I like UHMW (ultra-high molecular weight) Polyethylene plastic. This plastic provides a low friction surface, similar to Teflon tape, but with a much higher abrasion and puncture resistance. It was designed specifically for commercial use on chutes, packaging lines, slides, and anywhere high pressure metal to metal sliding contact occurs. It also provides sound dampening, eliminating squeaks and rattles caused by adjacent parts movement. The plastic's temperature range is -40 to +225 degrees F. The plastic tape I like is 0.005" thick, comes on a 3 inch wide roll and has 1.5 mils of acrylic adhesive. It can be purchased from McMaster Carr ( http://www.mcmaster.com/ ) and is part number 76445A24 (You can do a part number search on their site to find the tape). You disassemble the spring pack and stick the tape to the top side of each individual leaf, except for the top leaf of course. This tape virtually eliminates the friction between adjacent leaves in the leaf pack and dramatically increases the spring's ability to react to bumps in the road. > 4. How do you keep them from slipping out between the leafs? The sheets installed in my springs do not have adhesive. I learned that it was available with adhesive after mine were installed. They remain in place without shifting between the two side clamps. The plastic strip ends have shifted bit to the side at the ends of the long springs outside the clamps. The movement has been less in the shorter front springs than at the end of the longer rear springs. When rock crawling, the longer rear springs make a more complicated dance. There is still plastic between all parts of the leaf that touch one another, it is just that at the ends there has been a little lateral sliding. But not enough to interfere with function just not neat and orderly appearing. So you really don't NEED to have them glued down except for ascetic reasons. The glued in sheets just look more orderly. > 5. How long do the plastic inserts last before they have to be changed? Mine are on their 7th year and in very good condition. I can not answer your question yet. If anyone is willing to pay for petrol I would be willing to put my belongings into storage and see how many miles it takes. Consider that a serious offer. > 6. I hate when the leafs rust and look bad, could I power coat them and > add the plastic strips? Well golly. Clean off the spring pack every once and a while and shoot it with rattle can black The paint won't harm the plastic, nor will it stick to it. TeriAnn --Apple-Mail-34--951979989 From bens Thu Jun 10 10:59:22 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5AExMQr011059 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:59:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5AExMkF011058 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:59:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:59:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200406101459.i5AExMSF011054@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Springs and Heights Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So the question becomes, has anyone done/seen an RTI test between stock springs, parabolic and stock springs with the plastic insert treatment? That would eliminate all the "I think this" and " I feel that" comments that invariably attend discussions of this type. From bens Thu Jun 10 15:05:38 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5AJ5cQr021227 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:05:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5AJ5clu021226 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:05:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:05:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200406101905.i5AJ5c1G021222@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: fear of heights when rovering or othertimes..was Re: re. Series Leaf springs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- tom walsh wrote: > > > Paul(with extra-tippy disco and series that feel just > right > > with parabolics when on or off road..even > off-camber...the > > disco on a off-camber bump feels like it wants to tip > at > > times...) > [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] yeah....still takes some time to get used to after driving the rangie so much and not the disco...now that one used to be "fun" :-0 in corners...but i just finished replacing all susp bushings, incl the a-frame ball-joint..it was barely in one piece! >PS: there are 4 adjustable shocks > back there, > crank em up ( especially the inboard ones ) and it should > be stiff > enough to grate your teeth ( of course by now I bet its > time for new > ones as those are prolly shot ) Duh! ;-) my memory isn't that bad ya know... I really need to take off all six shocks and cycle them to confirm they all still work! one front one is dinged up bad if I recall...finally got the air-adj to stop leaking on left one, but still haven't picked up the parts to hook up the four rears to the other air adjuster, so still have to crawl under...grrr! it's a mess in winter... From bens Thu Jun 10 15:29:37 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5AJTbQr022060 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:29:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5AJTbSW022059 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:29:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:29:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200406101929.i5AJTaPm022055@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: hipine@att.net To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Springs and Heights Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...That would eliminate all the "I think this" and " I feel that" comments that invariably attend discussions of this type...." It would certainly answer the question of which setup lets you drive farthest up a stationary ramp before lifting the off-side wheel, for what that's worth. Using RTI to evaluate suspension is kind of like using EPA mileage estimates to decide which car to buy. It's a test that gives a number that can be used to compare one element of the total package. How that element relates to any individual's needs from different aspects of the system is a matter of some variation. And back to the original post, I'm not sure driving up a ramp with one wheel, or total cross axle articulation in general, was really in the realm of needs expressed, but maybe I missed it. -Dave G. From bens Thu Jun 10 17:41:49 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5ALfmQr027360 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:41:48 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5ALfme2027359 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:41:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:41:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200406102141.i5ALfm1S027355@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Springs and Heights Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > So the question becomes, has anyone done/seen an RTI test between > stock springs, parabolic and stock springs with the plastic insert > treatment? I think the primary subject has been the ability of springs to react to rough surfaces. But if you want to go to RTI, I suspect both paraolics and plastic layered stock springs OF THE PROPER LOAD RATING are likely to both reach the limits on downward articulation on both front and rear, assuming they both have the same shocks. On the upward articulation the one with a maximum load range closest to the axle weight is likely to be the winner. Series rigs have a real problem with shock length which limits the articulation directly in front & indirectly in the rear. Then a lot of people put heavier load range springs under a rig on the assumption that stiffer springs are better, then end up with a combination where the rig is too light weight to flex the springs and the springs do a better job of lifting up the axles. There is a lot more to LR suspension than RTI or parabolics vis semi elliptical springs. From bens Thu Jun 10 19:53:19 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5ANrJQr032594 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 19:53:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5ANrJfS032593 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 19:53:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 19:53:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200406102353.i5ANrJuJ032589@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Dave G." To: Subject: Re: re. Series Leaf springs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Keith S, could you send me your e-mail addy? I'm sorry, I accidentally deleted your message requesting the spring lining article. -Dave G. From bens Thu Jun 10 23:16:08 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5B3G7Qr008375 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 23:16:07 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5B3G7kI008374 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 23:16:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 23:16:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200406110316.i5B3G78x008370@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "tom walsh" To: Subject: RE: fear of heights when rovering or othertimes..was Re: re. Series Leaf springs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Duh! ;-) my memory isn't that bad ya know... Ya, what I meant was, if its feeling squirely, than either they aren't adjusted stiff or their shot! > I really need to take off all six shocks and cycle them to > confirm they all still work! one front one is dinged up bad > if I recall... My guess is they need replacing, the Disco used to eat shocks, it would munch a OME shock in no time, I got sick of replacing them, hence the switch to Rancho's ( that and to get more travel ) > finally got the air-adj to stop leaking on left > one, but still haven't picked up the parts to hook up the > four rears to the other air adjuster, so still have to crawl > under...grrr! it's a mess in winter... I never plumbed the rears in because I figure once I got the fronts to not leak ( at the time ), I figured why push it with the rears. I thought you got all the extra air shock plumbing I had during the "big" yard sale in Las Cumbres? TomW From bens Fri Jun 11 11:00:30 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5BF0UQr006638 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:00:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5BF0Uqe006637 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:00:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:00:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200406111500.i5BF0UlO006633@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: Springs and Heights Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Personal experience. My 67 Series IIa Short Wheel Base had 10 leaves on the front and 11 on the rear in a configuration I had never seen before when I got it. I have since put Rocky Mountain Parabolics on it because it used to lean. BUT, when it had these monsters on it, I used to get articulation to rub the rear tires on the top of the seat boxes and the front axle would hit the bump stop. AND, the ride was not that harsh. I would have quite happily left them on it it it had not been leaning. These were rusty and old with nothing between them and old bushings. The ride hight was stock too. They were on it last year at Blue lakes if anyone remembers them!!! Just some practical input for what it is worth. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" To: Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 2:41 PM Subject: Re: Springs and Heights > > > So the question becomes, has anyone done/seen an RTI test between > > stock springs, parabolic and stock springs with the plastic insert > > treatment? > > I think the primary subject has been the ability of springs to react to > rough surfaces. But if you want to go to RTI, I suspect both paraolics > and plastic layered stock springs OF THE PROPER LOAD RATING are likely > to both reach the limits on downward articulation on both front and [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jun 11 11:23:10 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5BFNAQr007518 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:23:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5BFNAaN007517 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:23:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:23:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200406111523.i5BFN967007513@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Springs & the Rubicon Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, regardless of whom prefers what spring set-up, the following may be of interest. Just talked to Timm Cooper, who just got back from a tour of the Rubicon. He took a 60's-something 109 3door SW he just brought back from the East Coast. It came with a stock 6-cyl. Rover engine and a Salisbury. After doing his suspension mod's, and having Matt weld up the rear diff. to make it permanently locked. Off they went. He believes it's a better trail rig than was his previous 109. I don't know if any Jeeps had the guts to show their face, but he shamed a couple of purpose-built Toyotas. They had all the latest Toyota aftermarket suspension parts...over 12K worth of stuff. They couldn't keep up. A jaw dropping experience for them. The main mods were putting a rear 109 spring in front. Which entails moving the rear shackle hole rearwards in the frame and extending the front frame horns. The axel doesn't move. Oh yeah, and Spring Over. Add 35" meats and it's a first rate trail rig. From bens Fri Jun 11 11:51:09 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5BFp9Qr008792 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:51:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5BFp9O1008791 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:51:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:51:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200406111551.i5BFp9bg008787@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: Springs & the Rubicon Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Did he go right through? Did he damage anything? Just talked to Timm Cooper, who just got back from a tour of the Rubicon. From bens Fri Jun 11 12:28:32 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5BGSWQr010216 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:28:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5BGSW03010215 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:28:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:28:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200406111628.i5BGSWma010211@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. Springs and Heights Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Keith, My Rocky Mtn 4 leafers are currently on the back of one of Nick Baggarly's Dormobiles. Take a look if/when he ever comes back! Also, take a look at Mehdi's hybrid 109 SW - he has Ti Console 4 leaf parabolics on rear and rock hard *3 leafers* in the front for his hydraulic winch. JoeM Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:28:52 -0400 From: Keith Shukait Subject: This is all good reading. I've been wondering what to do with the spring situation on the Dormobile. I've driven Joe Mulqueen's SW and TeriAnn's Dormobile but not enough to determine what set up would be the best......... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From bens Fri Jun 11 13:23:20 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5BHNKQr012451 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:23:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5BHNKT1012450 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:23:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:23:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200406111723.i5BHNJcb012446@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Springs & the Rubicon Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Timm in the 109 and Matt in the parabollic equipped 88 had a great time and "cruised" thru. No mention of damage. >>> mark@skywagons.com 06/11/04 08:51AM >>> Did he go right through? Did he damage anything? Just talked to Timm Cooper, who just got back from a tour of the Rubicon. From bens Fri Jun 11 14:04:17 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5BI4HQr014049 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:04:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5BI4HQE014048 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:04:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:04:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200406111804.i5BI4Gpe014044@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo rec list Subject: Nor. Cal. coiler shops? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Can anyone help? I'm trying to put together a list that includes the name and city of independent service shops that specialize in servicing coiler Land Rovers in California from Monterey North. Just one of my many projects and not a preannouncement of me going over to the coiler side. TeriAnn From bens Fri Jun 11 18:01:47 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5BM1lQr023744 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:01:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5BM1lHo023743 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:01:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:01:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200406112201.i5BM1l2r023739@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Springs & the Rubicon Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > The main mods were putting a rear 109 spring in front. > Oh yeah, and Spring Over. Add 35" meats and it's a first rate trail > rig. Reading between the lines... T imm always softens up his spring over spring packs by removing some leaves to lower the ride height little and increase articulation of the spring pack. The spring over conversion also mean longer shocks which series rigs desperately need. This also means he has played with the front & rear prop shafts & put longer splines in them. And of course a divot on the cross member that the front prop shaft passes over. I suspect a sewer cap added to the front diff as a protector. When he goes to 35 inch tyres he tends to recut the wheel wells to Defender specs to keep the wheels from crunching the bodywork. I bet there is just a tad more to the rig than described. TeriAnn From bens Fri Jun 11 18:19:18 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5BMJIQr024355 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:19:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5BMJIr8024354 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:19:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:19:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200406112219.i5BMJHow024350@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "0792" <0792@medicineshoppe.com> To: "Mendo_Recce" Subject: Found this obtuse critique of Rover Clubs? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org As posted on the Expedition Exchange bulletin board: "My wife and I are here in sunny California for about 2 years and are looking for weekend adventures. It is always a pain finding cool places to go in a new area. The options are: 1)join a land rover club. However, their events are few and far between and usually consist of runs that even a stock Suburu Forester can handle. 2)Word of mouth. Takes too long. 3)Use this sweet bulletin board to network. We live in Monterey, CA which is ideally located in the middle of California, good for heading south or north. My buddy Shane also lives in the area, and can easily be talked into offroading mayhem. So if anybody living within a reasonable range has any trips planned, shoot an email to stansellrob@msn.com" Looks like he's looking for black diamond off-roading? rupert From bens Fri Jun 11 19:43:35 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5BNhZQr027789 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 19:43:35 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5BNhZCe027788 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 19:43:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 19:43:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200406112343.i5BNhYM0027784@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: OT?: beer, Downtown Joes in NAPA Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm going to Napa tomorrow to ride around on our tandem. Afterward, what's Joe's like? thanks, john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens Fri Jun 11 20:42:40 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5C0geQr030268 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:42:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5C0geHB030267 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:42:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:42:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200406120042.i5C0gdZV030263@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Springs & the Rubicon Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org He didn't mention fiddling with the spring pack...he even mentioned it is a bit higher than his other 109 and he liked it better. As for shocks, I think he put in different ones, well, he must have. Didn't say anything about the prop.shafts, but I didn't ask. The 35's tucked inside the rear wheel wells with no trimming. Slight trimming for the front wheel wells, but again, I didn't get into details. He said a couple days worth of work to make it right. He must have the Spring Over conversion to where it's almost an afterthought now. I see what LOOKS to be a nice 64 109 in Truck Trader...it's just waiting for an engine. $6800 >>> twakeman@cruzers.com 06/11/04 03:01PM >>> > The main mods were putting a rear 109 spring in front. > Oh yeah, and Spring Over. Add 35" meats and it's a first rate trail > rig. Reading between the lines... T imm always softens up his spring over spring packs by removing some leaves to lower the ride height little and increase articulation of the spring pack. The spring over conversion also mean longer shocks which series rigs desperately need. This also means he has played with the front & rear prop shafts & put longer splines in them. And of course a divot on the cross member that the front prop shaft passes over. I suspect a sewer cap added to the front diff as a protector. When he goes to 35 inch tyres he tends to recut the wheel wells to Defender specs to keep the wheels from crunching the bodywork. I bet there is just a tad more to the rig than described. TeriAnn From bens Fri Jun 11 23:57:56 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5C3vuQr005529 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:57:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5C3vuaR005528 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:57:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:57:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200406120357.i5C3vt81005524@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: cirvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Springs & the Rubicon Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've been kinda sorta thinking about such a mod: not the rear springs on the front, but the spring over...saw a pic of a 109 in an issue of LRO several years ago, that had 101 axles on it, and it got me to thinking... Charles -----Original message----- From: "Eric Johnson" Eric.Johnson@udlp.com Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 08:23:10 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Springs & the Rubicon > > > Well, regardless of whom prefers what spring set-up, the following may be of interest. > Just talked to Timm Cooper, who just got back from a tour of the Rubicon. He took a 60's-something 109 3door SW he just brought back from the East Coast. It came with a stock 6-cyl. Rover engine and a Salisbury. > After doing his suspension mod's, and having Matt weld up the rear diff. to make it permanently locked. Off they went. He believes it's a better trail rig than was his previous 109. I don't know if any Jeeps had the guts to show their face, but he shamed a couple of purpose-built Toyotas. They had all the latest Toyota aftermarket suspension parts...over 12K worth of stuff. They couldn't keep up. > A jaw dropping experience for them. > The main mods were putting a rear 109 spring in front. Which entails moving the rear shackle hole rearwards in the frame and extending the front frame horns. The axel doesn't move. > Oh yeah, and Spring Over. Add 35" meats and it's a first rate trail rig. > [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Jun 12 01:56:28 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5C5uSQr011818 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 01:56:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5C5uSvJ011817 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 01:56:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 01:56:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200406120556.i5C5uRP4011813@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Granville" To: Subject: Re: beer, Downtown Joes in NAPA Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It's been a while since I've eaten there. The first time (at least 7 years ago) was v. good. The 2nd (last, so far) time was so-so. Nice spot, though, in any case. Granny > I'm going to Napa tomorrow to ride around on our tandem. Afterward, > what's Joe's like? From bens Sat Jun 12 09:26:33 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5CDQXQr030243 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 09:26:33 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5CDQXdo030242 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 09:26:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 09:26:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200406121326.i5CDQW6O030236@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Noelle Schmidt" To: "Bens" Subject: Supersavings on Cialis and other drugs - Shipped overnight Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 212 lines filtered. ] ----014221668271148074 From bens Sat Jun 12 09:49:38 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5CDncQr031028 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 09:49:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5CDncQe031027 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 09:49:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 09:49:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200406121349.i5CDnbfM031020@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Suzette Webster" To: "Bens" Subject: Super-discounts on Cialis and other drugs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 212 lines filtered. ] ----66833882441701627158 From bens Sat Jun 12 09:53:21 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5CDrLQr031236 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 09:53:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5CDrL6a031235 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 09:53:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 09:53:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200406121353.i5CDrKiN031231@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: RE: Springs & the Rubicon Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org - a 109 in an issue of LRO several years ago, that had 101 axles on it, and -it got me to thinking... -Charles Charles, Timm had that setup in his SI 109 before with disk brakes on the front. Extending the front horn and putting rear (longer) springs does transform the ride-- making it softer. It also allows mounting the shocks in a better angle to make the truck more stable. What he did and I though it was CRAZY, is to take the truck with 35 inch tires without power steering through the Rubicon. Try steering that a very low speeds!!! Mehdi From bens Sat Jun 12 11:29:30 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5CFTUQr002533 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:29:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5CFTUri002532 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:29:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:29:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200406121529.i5CFTUm9002528@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: cirvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Springs & the Rubicon Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hmmmmmm...soulds like its time for me to visit Timm again: in about 2-3 more weeks I'll have a very big building to play in, and I have two bare chassis that have been staring at me for months! Charles - who should probably go & finish dismantling the Pat Young Dormie... -----Original message----- From: "Mehdi Saghafi" msandcdg@sbcglobal.net Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 06:53:21 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Springs & the Rubicon > > > - a 109 in an issue of LRO several years ago, that had 101 axles on it, > and -it got me to thinking... > > -Charles > > Charles, Timm had that setup in his SI 109 before with disk brakes on > the front. Extending the front horn and putting rear (longer) springs [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Jun 12 13:01:01 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5CH11Qr006324 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 13:01:01 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5CH11Ij006323 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 13:01:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 13:01:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200406121701.i5CH10mY006319@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Springs and Heights and Millie is SOLD! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Joe, > My Rocky Mtn 4 leafers are currently on the back of one of Nick > Baggarly's Dormobiles. Take a look if/when he ever comes back! Also, > take a look at Mehdi's hybrid 109 SW - he has Ti Console 4 leaf > parabolics on rear and rock hard *3 leafers* in the front for his > hydraulic winch. I've driven both trucks and was impressed with the very smooth car like ride on the street. Has your rig been tippy off road? My 109 pick up was a Marshall bodied ambulance. She has a 1 ton frame and leaf springs and a rear sway bar. With the pickup body swap the ride is stiff so there's a big difference between our trucks. I don't want the Dormobile to shake it self apart, so I'm going to have some kind of spring modification. Dave put a really nice web page together on his modification. I need to drive both modifications off road to better tell what to do, right now I'm leaning towards the stock springs and plastic tape. Millie has been sold and will be on a truck for the mid west by the end of next week. It's a bummer cause I love that truck, but this will give me the room and money to start Indiana's restoration. Pam's just graduated last night from Santa Clara University with her Masters in Education and her Administration Credential. We need a second car now and she deserves a nice present for all the hard work over the last three years. Off to looks at cars today. Cheers, Keith & Pam Shukait Northern California Rover Club Mendo-Recce List Digest Version 1997 Land Rover Discovery XD "YLLWJKT" 1967 Land Rover Series IIA NADA 6 Cylinder Dormobile "Indiana" From bens Sat Jun 12 13:01:04 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5CH14Qr006334 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 13:01:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5CH1428006333 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 13:01:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 13:01:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200406121701.i5CH13Af006329@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Springs and Heights and Millie is SOLD! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Joe, > My Rocky Mtn 4 leafers are currently on the back of one of Nick > Baggarly's Dormobiles. Take a look if/when he ever comes back! Also, > take a look at Mehdi's hybrid 109 SW - he has Ti Console 4 leaf > parabolics on rear and rock hard *3 leafers* in the front for his > hydraulic winch. I've driven both trucks and was impressed with the very smooth car like ride on the street. Has your rig been tippy off road? My 109 pick up was a Marshall bodied ambulance. She has a 1 ton frame and leaf springs and a rear sway bar. With the pickup body swap the ride is stiff so there's a big difference between our trucks. I don't want the Dormobile to shake it self apart, so I'm going to have some kind of spring modification. Dave put a really nice web page together on his modification. I need to drive both modifications off road to better tell what to do, right now I'm leaning towards the stock springs and plastic tape. Millie has been sold and will be on a truck for the mid west by the end of next week. It's a bummer cause I love that truck, but this will give me the room and money to start Indiana's restoration. Pam's just graduated last night from Santa Clara University with her Masters in Education and her Administration Credential. We need a second car now and she deserves a nice present for all the hard work over the last three years. Off to looks at cars today. Cheers, Keith & Pam Shukait Northern California Rover Club Mendo-Recce List Digest Version 1997 Land Rover Discovery XD "YLLWJKT" 1967 Land Rover Series IIA NADA 6 Cylinder Dormobile "Indiana" From bens Sun Jun 13 18:39:59 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5DMdxQr018185 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 18:39:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5DMdxef018184 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 18:39:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 18:39:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200406132239.i5DMdxYX018180@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Range Rover Trans. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Nathan -- Thanks again for this good info. I have added it on the transmission diagnosis & repair page at http://rangerovers.net/repairdetails/transrepair.html#warning Thanks again and please send in any other operations that might benefit oters! Cheers John ntucker@sfsu.edu wrote: >John, > >I posted earlier in regards to a tranny problem that pertained to the trans. >pump being damaged in the process of replacing the engine. > >I removed the engine for a little work and never removed the torque converter, >but alas it slipped a little on the slines that it sets on and during the >refitting process I inadvertantly pushed the TC against the pump in an >incorrect manner and upon start up of the engine broke the drive gear of the [ 29 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Jun 13 18:39:58 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5DMdwQr018175 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 18:39:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5DMdw4d018174 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 18:39:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 18:39:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200406132239.i5DMdwPI018170@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Clutchless Gearbox Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Gran, Thanks for sending this one on to me. I have downloaded the article but it seems to be a bit of smoke and mirrors so far, as they refuse to divulge how it works. A lot of stuff about how it doesn't work, bit nothing about how it does -- unless I am missing something (quite likely). It will be interesting to observe as this technology matures (if it does) when it comes into the light of day without the veil of seccrecy. Meanwhile many thanks for sending it along Granny -- Take care John Granville wrote: >I thought of the Ibex list when I read in Road & Track magazine (which I've >been reading for nearly 44 years) about a clutchless (no friction devices >whatever) gearbox from Zeroshift Engineering. It seems to be Ibex-related >because somehow Ricardo is involved. > >I found http://www.zeroshift.com and some relevant (and a lot of irrelevant) >discussion at http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?f=23&h=0&t=76398 >The original article ("Paradigm Shift, from _Racecar_Engineering_ magazine) >is available in pdf download at [ 19 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Jun 13 20:10:02 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5E0A2Qr021829 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 20:10:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5E0A2w5021828 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 20:10:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 20:10:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200406140010.i5E0A2li021824@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Springs and Heights and Millie is SOLD! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > congratulations to both of you. My son just pointed out a new Lotus, > going on sale soon, but it's sold out and probably not the kind of > image Pam need to show with a Masters in Education? Do a google for > Lotus Elise. cheers, > Millie has been sold and will be on a truck for the mid west by the end > of next week. It's a bummer cause I love that truck, but this will > give me the room and money to start Indiana's restoration. Pam's just > graduated last night from Santa Clara University with her Masters in > Education and her Administration Credential. We need a second car now > and she deserves a nice present for all the hard work over the last > three years. Off to looks at cars today. > > John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby", 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2000 custom fixed gear (I built the frame), 2002 Merlin Extra Fat, 2004 Steve Rex (in progress) ours: 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Sun Jun 13 23:21:39 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5E3LdQr029704 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:21:39 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5E3LdVo029703 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:21:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:21:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200406140321.i5E3LcKC029699@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Re: Springs and Heights and Millie is SOLD! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Keith, Come on now! Anything other than your 109 canvas with its original 1 ton springs and sway bars is going to be "tippy". Does my truck feel tippy to me? No not even with *just* 3 leafers in rear. I like the way it handles both on and off road. Like said previously, if I carried a family or had a dormie I'd run with the specified 4 leaf rear springs. The 4 leafers on the rear of Baggarly's Dormie holds the rear up just as high as his previous 1 tons. Here's my final (at least for now!) take on the subject: #1 I've bought and installed both traditional British Steel and Parabolic springs. I like parabolics better. #2 Those skeptical (and nothing personal against those friggin' naysayers!) typically haven't yet owned a truck so equipped. JoeM '67 SIIA 109SW Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 13:01:00 -0400 From: Keith Shukait Subject: Re: Springs and Heights and Millie is SOLD! Joe, > My Rocky Mtn 4 leafers are currently on the back of one of Nick > Baggarly's Dormobiles. Take a look if/when he ever comes back! Also, > take a look at Mehdi's hybrid 109 SW - he has Ti Console 4 leaf > parabolics on rear and rock hard *3 leafers* in the front for his > hydraulic winch. I've driven both trucks and was impressed with the very smooth car like ride on the street. Has your rig been tippy off road? My 109 pick up was a Marshall bodied ambulance. She has a 1 ton frame and leaf springs and a rear sway bar. With the pickup body swap the ride is stiff so there's a big difference between our trucks. I don't want the Dormobile to shake it self apart, so I'm going to have some kind of spring modification. Dave put a really nice web page together on his modification. I need to drive both modifications off road to better tell what to do, right now I'm leaning towards the stock springs and plastic tape. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From bens Mon Jun 14 00:06:59 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5E46xQr031591 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 00:06:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5E46x2m031590 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 00:06:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 00:06:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200406140406.i5E46xwn031586@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Springs and Heights and Millie is SOLD! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 11 lines filtered. ] I've got 3 RM 3 leaf springs on the rear of my 109 pickup. Truck is light with canvas top, think it's under 3400 lbs. The three leafs are too stiff for my taste. Even with 1500 lbs hanging out the tailgate, truck was very stable barely sagged. Did smooth out the ride but it taxed the 2 1/4 too much to drive around, all the time, with that much weight way out back. I've been toying with the thought of removing one of the rear leafs to soften up the unloaded ride a bit. Personally, I can't see needing a four leaf set up unless you are going to run with 9 passengers all the time or have a TAW mobile. The three leaf parabolics are way more than adequate in my book. I've been running Parabolics for close on to ten years. First with a TI Console set in my 88 and now with the RM set in my 109. Have never experienced any untoward lean as truck seems to corner flat to the limits of tire adhesion. Have been followed by a few Rover owners who can attest to the sports car handling of the truck. In fact, the Ti Console Parabolics on the 88 showed a lot less sway and/or lean than the stock Rover springs. Aloha Peter O. joe mulqueen wrote: Keith, Come on now! Anything other than your 109 canvas with its original 1 ton springs and sway bars is going to be "tippy". Does my truck feel tippy to me? No not even with *just* 3 leafers in rear. I like the way it handles both on and off road. Like said previously, if I carried a family or had a dormie I'd run with the specified 4 leaf rear springs. The 4 leafers on the rear of Baggarly's Dormie holds the rear up just as high as his previous 1 tons. Here's my final (at least for now!) take on the subject: #1 I've bought and installed both traditional British Steel and Parabolic springs. I like parabolics better. #2 Those skeptical (and nothing personal against those friggin' naysayers!) typically haven't yet owned a truck so equipped. JoeM '67 SIIA 109SW Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 13:01:00 -0400 From: Keith Shukait Subject: Re: Springs and Heights and Millie is SOLD! Joe, > My Rocky Mtn 4 leafers are currently on the back of one of Nick > Baggarly's Dormobiles. Take a look if/when he ever comes back! Also, > take a look at Mehdi's hybrid 109 SW - he has Ti Console 4 leaf > parabolics on rear and rock hard *3 leafers* in the front for his > hydraulic winch. I've driven both trucks and was impressed with the very smooth car like ride on the street. Has your rig been tippy off road? My 109 pick up was a Marshall bodied ambulance. She has a 1 ton frame and leaf springs and a rear sway bar. With the pickup body swap the ride is stiff so there's a big difference between our trucks. I don't want the Dormobile to shake it self apart, so I'm going to have some kind of spring modification. Dave put a really nice web page together on his modification. I need to drive both modifications off road to better tell what to do, right now I'm leaning towards the stock springs and plastic tape. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger From bens Mon Jun 14 00:17:17 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5E4HHQr000764 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 00:17:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5E4HH8Q000763 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 00:17:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 00:17:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200406140417.i5E4HGeh000759@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Speedo Repair Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, Anyone know the name of the shop or guy in Palo Alto who's famous for fixing speedos? Please email me directly as I'm on the digest version. Thanks again, Keith From bens Mon Jun 14 00:36:12 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5E4aCQr001616 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 00:36:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5E4aCoD001615 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 00:36:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 00:36:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200406140436.i5E4aCUC001611@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo \(E-mail\)" Subject: carb woes? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Here's the situation.. Pershing ('66 IIA 109) has been my frequent driver many weeks now, running fine (well, as fine as a 103,000 mile 2.25L that has never been opened before can). Last Friday, quite suddenly, it started hesitating and losing power on the highway. Close the throttle, then open it and it backfires and hesitates. Applying a little choke, all is fine again (original (rebuilt) Solex carb). Without keeping the choke on slightly, it dies when trying to pull out from a stop and exhibits above mentioned symptoms. So it seems like it is running too lean (the hesitation and backfiring under power). Any ideas? Seems like carb related. Poking around, it looks like the accelerator pump lever might be moving sluggishly-- could an inop or impared accel pump give these symptoms? 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Thank you. -------------------------------------------------------- From bens Mon Jun 14 02:31:36 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5E6VaQr006443 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 02:31:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5E6Va1n006442 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 02:31:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 02:31:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200406140631.i5E6Vavf006438@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: carb woes? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Blair, My 88 did something like that and it turned out to be the points were worn. Frank ------------------------- Blair Peterson wrote: >Here's the situation.. Pershing ('66 IIA 109) has been my frequent driver many weeks now, running fine (well, as fine as a 103,000 mile 2.25L that has > From bens Mon Jun 14 10:42:45 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5EEgjQr030329 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:42:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5EEgjhA030328 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:42:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:42:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200406141442.i5EEgiVP030324@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: carb woes? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It has been my experience that the 2.25 engine shows the same symptoms for fuel starvation and bad points. I suggest first off replacing any fuel filter you may have and check the points. If that does not correct the problem, check the distributor over carefully, the cap, rotor, advances, wire connections to the coil. Then open the fuel line at the carb & hand pump the fuel pump. You should be getting a strong squirt with each pump of the lever. Open the carb as a last resort. And do not take more than the top cover off without a full rebuild kit in hand. I'm told there are UK sources with after market Solex rebuild kits. Also if distant memory serves I think the Solex came with a screen at the inlet which may or may not still be there. > Last Friday, quite suddenly, it started hesitating and losing power > on the highway. Close the throttle, then open it and it backfires and > hesitates. Applying a little choke, all is fine again (original > (rebuilt) Solex carb). Without keeping the choke on slightly, it dies > when trying to pull out from a stop and exhibits above mentioned > symptoms. So it seems like it is running too lean (the hesitation and > backfiring under power). From bens Mon Jun 14 10:43:28 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5EEhSQr030368 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:43:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5EEhScM030367 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:43:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:43:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200406141443.i5EEhRK0030363@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: hipine@att.net To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: carb woes? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...could an inop or impared accel pump give these symptoms?..." It sure could. Especially if after nursing it through the initial accel you can run fine at steady speed. I'd give 'er a vacuum check too, and maybe verify valve clearances if a quick compression test showed anything at all suspicious. -Dave G. From bens Mon Jun 14 11:22:10 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5EFMAQr000661 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:22:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5EFMAft000660 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:22:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:22:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200406141522.i5EFMAWB000656@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Springs and Heights and Millie is SOLD! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Personally, I can't see needing a four leaf set up unless you are > going to run with 9 passengers all the time or have a TAW mobile. That's 2980 pounds (1353 kilos) total on the rear axle with 42 gallons of fuel and 15 gallons of drinking water, 5 gallons of propane, fully loaded for a trip including one medium sized wolfhound. Stock one ton springs are rated to carry a rear axle weight of 4200 pounds (1905 kilos) cross country. The lightest duty stock 109 spring is factory rated to carry 3665 (1620 kilos) cross country. So fully loaded for an extended trip the Green Rover's rear axle weight comes in a good 700 pounds less than the lightest duty 109 factory rated spring for cross country travel. On the other hand she's 2460 pounds on the front axle, which means One ton passenger side front spring are correct to hold up that monster sized winch, 2 front fuel tanks and a V8 conversion with power steering. All and all I think I did a good job of meeting my design weight distribution goal of 55-60% on the rear axles & 45-40% on the front axles. I prefer the characteristics of a slightly tail heavy rig on the trail. So smile there partner, when you call my traveling motel a heavy weight. Her tail weight is well with spec for the lightest duty 109 rear spring. TeriAnn 8*) From bens Mon Jun 14 16:23:30 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5EKNUQr020346 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 16:23:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5EKNUXl020345 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 16:23:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 16:23:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200406142023.i5EKNTMT020341@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: Lr woes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ok so it is bad land rover day.... I was up camping at little stony campground with the dirt bike. First thing I realized is the trails are difficult and steep on a dirt bike and my driving skills are better than my riding skills. So after a morning ride I headed for home. The water pump let go just as I got off at my exit. I made it home without overheating. Park Regent. Take RR to the hardware store and the power seat won't move. I run my errands and then find a whole host of things that don't work. Ok so here is a list of the electronics that don't work. Radio Heater blower Drivers seat adjustment Horn Interior lights Clock Mirrors I am sure ther are more little things I havnt found. Fuses we're good. Is there a main fuse I missed? The battery ground strap looked ok. I get a very bad feeling this one is going to be tough. my landrover list is getting out of control. As I also found a broken tranny mount on regent. Rob -------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld From bens Mon Jun 14 16:41:52 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5EKfqQr021643 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 16:41:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5EKfqDX021642 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 16:41:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 16:41:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200406142041.i5EKfp3S021637@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Bob Frey" To: Subject: Re: Lr woes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rob.... Could be easy. I don't have a wiring diagram handy, but I'd guess it's a fusable link in the wiring harness under the hood. Passenger side about halfway from the battery to the firewall if I recall correctly. Bob Frey > > Park Regent. Take RR to the hardware store and the power seat won't move. I run my errands and then find a whole host of things that don't work. Ok so here is a list of the electronics that don't work. > > Radio > Heater blower > Drivers seat adjustment > Horn > Interior lights > Clock > Mirrors > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Is there a main fuse I missed? > > The battery ground strap looked ok. I get a very bad feeling this one is going to be tough. > > my landrover list is getting out of control. As I also found a broken tranny mount on regent. > > Rob > > -------------------------- > Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld > > From bens Tue Jun 15 15:08:06 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5FJ86Qr016522 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 15:08:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5FJ86Dn016521 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 15:08:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 15:08:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200406151908.i5FJ8599016517@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Orlando Chapman" To: "Bens" Subject: Need phentermine? Purchase meds here online Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 212 lines filtered. ] ----5813495214792899 From bens Tue Jun 15 17:08:07 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5FL87Qr021733 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:08:07 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5FL875j021732 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:08:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:08:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200406152108.i5FL869g021728@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: Water Pump for series Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Is there any reason I should shy away from the All Makes water pump from BP? It is $50, as compared to RN genuine at $130, and AB(make unknown) at $120, or Roversdownsouth(Make unknown for $80? -ROb From bens Tue Jun 15 17:56:23 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5FLuNQr023861 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:56:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5FLuN7w023860 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:56:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:56:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200406152156.i5FLuMg5023856@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: RE: Water Pump for series Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 16 lines filtered. ] NO. I had one on my SIIa and no problem. Mehdi From bens Tue Jun 15 19:35:31 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5FNZVQr027859 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:35:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5FNZV5Z027858 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:35:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:35:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200406152335.i5FNZVY1027854@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Ted V Harwood II" To: Subject: Re: carb woes? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org You might check the jet mounted in the side of the carb. If it gets crud in it, it can cause the problems you mention. Take out the carrier with a wrench and remove the jet with a screwdriver. Ted From bens Wed Jun 16 00:56:28 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5G4uSQr010009 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:56:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5G4uShu010008 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:56:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:56:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200406160456.i5G4uRnw010004@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Crocuta To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Wish it wasn't a *eep. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry I've been quiet. Busy busy. OH and TeriAnn I did see you at the Scottish fest. My wife and I asked to pet your Wolfhound, very cool dog. Yesterday on the way home I drove over the East entrance to the Caldecott tunnel and up near the art deco entrance they were taking promo shots of some new J33p Grand Cherokee incarnation...bleh. It looked like everything else that was out there on the road, not surprising in any aspect (unless there was a turbodiesel beneath the bonnet). It did have some fancy badge that was some special edition logo or something. Bottom line: not appealing in the least.Wish it was the Disco III or I just wish I had been in the 90 *g* I then would have pulled over and taken pictures .. just because it would have been funny. As for sightings.. I saw two G wagens..and only one Red D90 SW. Um, that's all. Not much Rover news. My timing belts needs changing and surprise surprise in one of the LR mags they had something about it. Top Gear also has an article about the Disco cubed thing. Naturally. Have a good week all! -Marshall From bens Wed Jun 16 01:32:15 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5G5WFQr011396 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 01:32:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5G5WF6K011395 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 01:32:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 01:32:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200406160532.i5G5WF2F011391@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Crocuta To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: What the?! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ok, this is.. beyond words. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6296&item=2481992777&rd=1 -Marshall From bens Wed Jun 16 01:46:34 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5G5kYQr011982 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 01:46:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5G5kYx0011981 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 01:46:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 01:46:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200406160546.i5G5kXnl011977@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: cirvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: What the?! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Aaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllllllllllrighty then. :) Charles (why can't those damnded royalty types ever come up with better styling???) -----Original message----- From: Crocuta crocuta@earthlink.net Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 22:32:15 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: What the?! > > > Ok, this is.. beyond words. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6296&item=2481992777&rd=1 > -Marshall > From bens Wed Jun 16 05:36:40 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5G9aeQr021354 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:36:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5G9aemR021353 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:36:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:36:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200406160936.i5G9aeje021349@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Alan & Catherine Logue" To: Subject: Re: What the?! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Its looks great, but the steering whell is on the wrong side, so my wife won't let me buy it Alan in Adelaide, South Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "cirvin" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 3:16 PM Subject: Re: What the?! > > Aaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllllllllllrighty then. > > :) > > Charles > (why can't those damnded royalty types ever come up with better styling???) > > -----Original message----- > From: Crocuta crocuta@earthlink.net > Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 22:32:15 -0700 > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: What the?! > > > > > [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6296&item=2481992777&rd=1 > > -Marshall > > > From bens Wed Jun 16 10:52:30 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5GEqUQr001944 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:52:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5GEqU9b001943 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:52:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:52:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200406161452.i5GEqTEt001939@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Water Pump for series Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Is there any reason I should shy away from the All Makes water pump > from BP? It is $50, as compared to RN genuine at $130, and AB(make > unknown) at $120, or Roversdownsouth(Make unknown for $80? I ran one for several years without problem. I tried a bearmarch one once and lost the front seal within a month of installation. Those were my only experiences with 2-1/4L water pumps. TeriAnn From bens Wed Jun 16 11:02:53 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5GF2qQr002363 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:02:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5GF2qWw002362 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:02:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:02:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200406161502.i5GF2qqp002358@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: hipine@att.net To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: What the?! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...Ok, this is.. beyond words...." My favorite part is the stuff in the BACKGROUND of the picture showing the LR tire cover on the spare!!!! Now that says a lot. :^) -Dave G. From bens Wed Jun 16 11:12:38 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5GFCcQr002759 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:12:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5GFCc93002758 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:12:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:12:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200406161512.i5GFCbco002754@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: What the?! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- hipine@att.net wrote: > > "...Ok, this is.. beyond words...." > > My favorite part is the stuff in the BACKGROUND of the > picture showing the LR tire cover on the spare!!!! Now > that says a lot. :^) not your typical series land-rover owner, huh? ;-) what is that? looked like a marlboro scheme formula one or similar...or do I see TWO???? :-0 and why a hand-painted spare when you just buy one? ;-) .....so...dave? is this your next rover! ;-) Paul From bens Wed Jun 16 12:30:59 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5GGUxQr006234 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:30:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5GGUxqh006233 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:30:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:30:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200406161630.i5GGUxSG006229@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "0792" <0792@medicineshoppe.com> To: Subject: RE: What the?! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 44 lines filtered. ] Saudi Pimpmobile? From bens Wed Jun 16 12:58:05 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5GGw5Qr007420 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:58:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5GGw5eI007419 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:58:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:58:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200406161658.i5GGw5Ju007415@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: hipine@att.net To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: What the?! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...why a hand-painted spare when you just buy one?...." I think the hand painted spare is the one shown in the side view pix, a hard cover with chrome or stainless band. Don't know why the LR cover appered so prominently in the one pic from the rear. And I can't claim to know just What cars those are in the background....only that I wish I did. :^) -Dave G. From bens Wed Jun 16 13:03:56 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5GH3uQr007635 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:03:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5GH3uSs007634 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:03:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:03:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200406161703.i5GH3ubF007630@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: hipine@att.net To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Walker Blue (no LRC) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, last night after I finished some work in the garage, it was still kind of warm in the house so I decided to grab a little glass of the Blue and sit on the deck (a co-worker picked up a bottle at the Amsterdam Duty Free for me last week and I hadn't yet opened it). I can see how folks who normally drink single malts would say, "It's not different enough from the (Johnny Walker) Black to justify the price." It's definitely in the same groove as the Black, just a hair smoother, more subtle and more sort of complex. I can also see why some people say not to bother with it unless you're a real connoisseur of blended Scotch (I'm not, but could be sufficiently on my guard and aware with that forewarning). This stuff definitely has it's place. I'm glad that bartender at the Pepsi Center didn't waste two glasses on my buddy and I in our already half in the bag state when I first heard of it a month or so ago. If I'm going to polish off half a fifth straight from the bottle at a party (been known to happen), I'd still pick up a bottle of J&B at any liquor store on the way. For a glass before dinner, a good southern Islay single malt is still top of the list with all that thick smokey, salty peat flavor. For sippin' round the campfire, go toward the Speyside malts, or stick with the JW Black to warm the belly and soothe the soul without undue fanfare. But..... When I have an hour to ponder the wonders of 3-5 sips of whiskey....Bring on the Blue. This whiskey isn't your trusty wife at home, nor is it a Bangkok whore. This is the mistress in the little house in Geneva that you've been quietly slipping away to for a weekend once a year or so for 10 or 15 years. As comfortable as she is sophisticated. As fun as she is complex. All her nuances are familiar, but the mystery lies in which of the many will appeal and assert itself most this time around. Always anticipated, but to indulge over-often or over-long would ruin the experience forever. This bottle's going to last a long time. And like that mistress in Geneva, I might not share it at all. :^) -Dave G. From bens Wed Jun 16 13:33:27 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5GHXRQr008964 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:33:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5GHXRXF008963 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:33:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:33:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200406161733.i5GHXRHt008959@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: What the?! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- hipine@att.net wrote: > > "...why a hand-painted spare when you just buy one?...." > > I think the hand painted spare is the one shown in the > side view pix, a hard cover with chrome or stainless > band. Don't know why the LR cover appered so > prominently in the one pic from the rear. didn't recall that one?? not worht looking again really, huh? > And I can't > claim to know just What cars those are in the > background....only that I wish I did. :^) we could check with Joe Ernest..his son Mack(ie) would probbly know! he's a "real" race-car buff... Paul From bens Wed Jun 16 15:23:27 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5GJNRQr013692 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:23:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5GJNRin013691 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:23:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:23:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200406161923.i5GJNRqq013687@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Maxwell Lamb" To: Subject: RE: What the?! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org That's no land rover, it's a Glenfrome Profile! See http://www.dakar4x4.co.uk/press/motofair/motofair.htm Max From bens Wed Jun 16 17:39:27 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5GLdRQr019328 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 17:39:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5GLdRGx019327 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 17:39:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 17:39:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200406162139.i5GLdQ1X019323@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RR electrical issues Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bob, and Jeremy were correct it is the fusible link. What a PITA. What is the best practice for replacing the Fusible link? Is this wire special, or just smaller guage? Do I solder the replacement in? -Rob From bens Wed Jun 16 17:58:59 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5GLwxQr020194 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 17:58:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5GLwxln020193 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 17:58:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 17:58:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200406162158.i5GLwwiv020189@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo \(E-mail\)" Subject: carb woes? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks for all the suggestions as to Pershing's sudden loss of power. I assumed fuel/carb, but the immediate onset of symptoms lends credibility to the dizzy/points suggestions. I'll check that first and report back-- but it will be a while since I'm traveling again. Cheers, Blair PS: Mendo digest #1373 just hit my inbox but was stripped of content due to "The original message content contained a virus or was blocked due to blocking rules and has been removed". Bummer. -------------------------------------------------------- This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information intended for the specific individual or entity addressed, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient you must not disseminate, forward, print or copy it in any form or take any action or reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message or by calling +1 510-844-3000. Thank you. -------------------------------------------------------- From bens Wed Jun 16 18:40:12 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5GMeCQr022134 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:40:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5GMeCCS022133 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:40:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:40:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200406162240.i5GMeC4h022129@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: carb woes? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Blair Peterson wrote: > PS: Mendo digest #1373 just hit my inbox but was stripped > of content due to "The original message content contained > a virus or was blocked due to blocking rules and has been > removed". Bummer. hmmmmmm! well maybe the whole list got that email from "eduardo" or whatever that was coming from BEN SMITH! ;-) I was surprised to get it and think deleted before sending a note to Ben, but I'm sure if it did come to all of mendo, he knows...Ben? yes/no? I'm guessing teh virus or whatever was stripped out before it got to me, don't recall right now... Paul From bens Wed Jun 16 21:48:54 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5H1msQr029731 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:48:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5H1mssY029730 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:48:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:48:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200406170148.i5H1mrLR029726@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re series water pumps Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rob, There were a few differences to the Allmakes unit I installed 2 yrs back: 1) The impeller (dif material??) to housing gap was more than 2x the LR manual's spec. The physical clearance may have been OK but I pressed it closer. 2) My original pump had a nicely designed circular ridge where the radiator hose slips on. The ridge acts as a hose retainer and helps ensure a nice seal without needing to overly cinch the hose clamp. Also, my Allmakes pump housing was deburred by someone using a heavy hand to the point where the person put a flat spot along the entire area where the hose slips on. In summary, the flat spot and and the lack of ridge make for a pump requiring a tighter hose clamp. I ended up installing the Allmakes and have no water leaks but someday I'm going to buy a rebuild kit for my old OEM pump... JoeM '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From bens Wed Jun 16 22:45:34 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5H2jYQr032075 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:45:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5H2jYDk032074 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:45:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:45:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200406170245.i5H2jXJY032070@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Rusty Greer To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: '95 disco running bad (sometimes) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, it has been a long time since I have been on this list. I was on the first or second not-a-rally, but haven't been around much since then. I have a '95 disco that runs poorly sometimes. This started last winter up in Tahoe. We drove up there from the Bay Area, and the car died on me when coming to a stop twice. It restarted no problem both times. Since then sometimes when I start it (in Tahoe), it starts fine, runs a little rough then dies. If I keep it floored and cranking it, after a minute or more, it will start up and seem to do ok. If I don't let it die when it started running rough, once it warms up, it seems to be ok as well. I don't know if this is related to the cold (when this has happened, it has been around freezing, but not bitterly cold) or to the altitude or maybe something different. Any help with a diagnosis would be appreciated. From bens Wed Jun 16 23:59:23 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5H3xNQr002438 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:59:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5H3xNCh002437 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:59:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:59:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200406170359.i5H3xMa3002433@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: What the?! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 20 lines filtered. ] In a message dated 6/16/04 9:35:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 0792@medicineshoppe.com writes: > Saudi Pimpmobile? > > > > Redundant phrase? From bens Thu Jun 17 00:02:17 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5H42HQr002679 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 00:02:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5H42HMV002678 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 00:02:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 00:02:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200406170402.i5H42GbI002674@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Granville" To: Subject: Re: '95 disco running bad (sometimes) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rusty!! Good to hear from you! Your symptoms sound a lot like those I have with my '92 Range Rover. Jeremy suggested that it might be a leaking injector. I've been living with it for quite some time because taking it to Jeremy--or anyone else who really knows how to diagnose it--is so difficult for me, living up here in the boonies. Granny > I have a '95 disco that runs poorly sometimes. This started last > winter up in Tahoe. We drove up there from the Bay Area, and the car > died on me when coming to a stop twice. It restarted no problem both > times. Since then sometimes when I start it (in Tahoe), it starts > fine, runs a little rough then dies. If I keep it floored and > cranking it, after a minute or more, it will start up and seem to do > ok. If I don't let it die when it started running rough, once it > warms up, it seems to be ok as well. From bens Thu Jun 17 00:11:33 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5H4BXQr003610 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 00:11:33 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5H4BX5A003609 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 00:11:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 00:11:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200406170411.i5H4BXRt003605@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Rusty Greer To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: '95 disco running bad (sometimes) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org That is some of the problem that I am having with my disco. It is now living in semi-retirement in Tahoe, so it is hard to get anything done with it. The good news is that it gets to go off road alot more because it is not my daily driver and I am less worried about breaking it. How do you check for a leaking injector? On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 00:02:16 -0400, Granville wrote: From bens Thu Jun 17 00:27:57 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5H4RvQr004971 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 00:27:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5H4RvGW004970 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 00:27:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 00:27:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200406170427.i5H4RuOZ004964@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: RR electrical issues Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 30 lines filtered. ] In a message dated 6/16/04 2:44:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Kerner@vegmail.ucdavis.edu writes: > Bob, and Jeremy were correct it is the fusible link. What a PITA. What > is the best practice for replacing the Fusible link? Is this wire > special, or just smaller guage? Do I solder the replacement in? > > It should be an inexpensive auto parts place item. The prepackaged shelf should have it, It's just a wire that's guaranteed to fail. You could wire in a large fuse (Say fifty amp) if you feel particularly yuppie'ish. The fusible link is more or less the same thing, and easier to source than the big fuses. It just goes on with butt splices and good quality crimpers. If you felt really spiff I guess you could wire in two of them, with a switch in one that you leave open. Then when it fails you could close the switch, but really just too much trouble. Zack From bens Thu Jun 17 01:08:29 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5H58TQr006937 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:08:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5H58T99006936 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:08:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:08:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200406170508.i5H58SRJ006932@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: cirvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: '95 disco running bad (sometimes) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Smell any gas leaks lately? If its really bad, you'll see gas seeping around the base of the injector, just above where they're held in place. Charles > How do you check for a leaking injector? From bens Thu Jun 17 01:28:15 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5H5SFQr007771 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:28:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5H5SFIx007770 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:28:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:28:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200406170528.i5H5SElQ007766@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "tom walsh" To: Subject: RE: '95 disco running bad (sometimes) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Long time no see Rusty! > I have a '95 disco that runs poorly sometimes. This started > last winter up in Tahoe. We drove up there from the Bay > Area, and the car died on me when coming to a stop twice. It ( fake out line filter :) > restarted no problem both times. Since then sometimes when I > start it (in Tahoe), it starts fine, runs a little rough then > dies. If I keep it floored and cranking it, after a minute > or more, it will start up and seem to do ok. If I don't let > it die when it started running rough, once it warms up, it > seems to be ok as well. What about the "cold start chip"? Maybe you already got one? But if its only when its colder or at altitude and colder, that may be it... But alas if it just started recently it doesn't make to much sense. Fuel pump could be flaking out, or fuel filter really clogged ( but that would give bad performance or rough running at certain RPM's ) > I don't know if this is related to the cold (when this has > happened, it has been around freezing, but not bitterly cold) > or to the altitude or maybe something different. Any help > with a diagnosis would be appreciated. > TomW From bens Thu Jun 17 01:56:32 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5H5uWQr008965 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:56:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5H5uWEM008964 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:56:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:56:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200406170556.i5H5uVcr008960@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: New Car Help (OT) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, We went to Stevens Creek BMW, Mountain View BMW and Peter Pan BMW. All three salesmen were incredibly obnoxious. Stevens Creek - Didn't have the time of day for someone interested in a "entry level" new 325i Peter Pan - Couldn't offer anything but the owner's daughter's 330i. It had an oil leak, dead battery and bottomed out on something that tore up the undercoating. He also lied about being the fleet manager. Mountian View - Not interested in pushing anything but the stuff he had in stock. All the options we wanted "were options nobody wants, no dealer orders cars like that" It was like I was an idiot for even asking. Anybody know a good BMW salesman? Thanks, Keith From bens Thu Jun 17 09:19:59 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5HDJxQr026735 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:19:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5HDJxm2026734 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:19:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:19:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200406171319.i5HDJxP1026730@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Bob and Sue B To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: '95 disco running bad (sometimes) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, Sue's Caddy 91 Seville STS, had a leaking injector. It only idled slightly rough. Kind of lope-lope. I picked it off with the onboard diagnostics built in to the computer. (they are so good It doesn't need to go to the dealer and be plugged in). Bob B At 12:11 AM 6/17/2004 -0400, you wrote: >That is some of the problem that I am having with my disco. It is now >living in semi-retirement in Tahoe, so it is hard to get anything done >with it. > >The good news is that it gets to go off road alot more because it is >not my daily driver and I am less worried about breaking it. > >How do you check for a leaking injector? > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jun 17 09:25:02 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5HDP2Qr027039 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:25:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5HDP2f9027034 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:25:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:25:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200406171325.i5HDP1Md027022@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "tom walsh" To: Subject: RE: New Car Help (OT) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Wwe did not like the bay area scam, we oedered ours from a dealer in Idaho, I'll get the name if you want. Lemme know TomW > All, > > We went to Stevens Creek BMW, Mountain View BMW and Peter Pan > BMW. All > three salesmen were incredibly obnoxious. > > Anybody know a good BMW salesman? > > Thanks, [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] TomW From bens Thu Jun 17 09:38:43 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5HDchQr027679 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:38:43 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5HDchlj027678 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:38:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:38:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200406171338.i5HDcgL4027674@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: cirvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New Car Help (OT) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Keith, I'd surely complain to BMW corporate, name the people that you had to deal with - then go buy a Mercedes: when you get to the Mercedes dealer, let them know that you there because BMW pissed you off! Charles -----Original message----- From: Keith Shukait shukait@mac.com Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:56:32 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: New Car Help (OT) > > All, > > We went to Stevens Creek BMW, Mountain View BMW and Peter Pan BMW. All > three salesmen were incredibly obnoxious. > > Stevens Creek - Didn't have the time of day for someone interested in a > "entry level" new 325i > [ 15 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jun 17 09:48:25 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5HDmPQr028098 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:48:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5HDmPbt028097 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:48:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:48:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200406171348.i5HDmPbR028093@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: RR electrical issues Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > should have it, It's just a wire that's guaranteed to fail. You could > wire in a > large fuse (Say fifty amp) if you feel particularly yuppie'ish. The > fusible > link is more or less the same thing, and easier to source than the big > fuses. It > just goes on with butt splices and good quality crimpers. If you felt > really > spiff I guess you could wire in two of them, with a switch in one that [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Zack, wouldn't the yuppie thing be to have the mechanic at the shop fix it? And then whine about how the car malfubctions? cheers, > John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby", 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2000 custom fixed gear (I built the frame), 2002 Merlin Extra Fat, 2004 Steve Rex (in progress) ours: 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Thu Jun 17 09:49:57 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5HDnvQr028124 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:49:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5HDnvlZ028123 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:49:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:49:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200406171349.i5HDnuJi028119@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Bob and Sue B To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New Car Help (OT) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Keith, A couple of years ago we were shopping for a car. We went to a dealer in Chico who was giving a box of See's candy just for looking. We got tired of them quickly so took our candy and left. Went shopping at another dealer and liked the salesman so we shared the candy with him.He had a good laugh when we told him where we got it. Bob B At 09:38 AM 6/17/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Keith, > >I'd surely complain to BMW corporate, name the people that you had to deal >with - then go buy a Mercedes: when you get to the Mercedes dealer, let >them know that you there because BMW pissed you off! > >Charles > >-----Original message----- [ 15 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jun 17 10:15:37 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5HEFbQr029336 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:15:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5HEFbwB029335 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:15:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:15:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200406171415.i5HEFaiw029331@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: Re:new car help (OT) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Keith, I was looking(dreaming) about a year ago, and went to Sacramento. They are part of the Niello group, and I drove up in Regent. I test drove 4 cars, and 3 of them the salesmen sent me on my way alone. They were very helpful,although ordering is not something they encouraged. They had a very large stock though. The funny thing was I really wanted a manual, but the dealer said they hardly ever get any because they sit. Sure enough he had one on the lot and it had been there 120 days, which is a long time for them. I could have it for a great price, but it was 530I Black with Black interior, and I couldn't see it baking in the central valley all summer. Plus I couldn't afford it. -Rob From bens Thu Jun 17 10:39:21 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5HEdLQr030138 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:39:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5HEdLHr030137 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:39:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:39:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200406171439.i5HEdKV9030133@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Rusty Greer To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New Car Help (OT) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org i bought my last car over the Internet/phone. it worked like a dream. we were up in Tahoe for Christmas last year, my disco broke, so it was down to 2wd, we decided after 9 years it was time for a replacement. i called a few dealers in reno and Sacramento, got them to match prices with each other. finally, i chose one, they delivered it to my door in Tahoe. my wife signed for it while i was out skiing. the whole thing put me in the driver's seat (both literally and figuratively). i will not buy a car at a dealership again. On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:49:56 -0400, Bob and Sue B wrote: From bens Thu Jun 17 10:42:10 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5HEgAQr030350 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:42:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5HEgAWn030349 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:42:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:42:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200406171442.i5HEg99g030345@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Daniel E. Smith" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Fwd: need your help Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 3 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ message/rfc822 ] [ multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1499802905-1087470070=:97813" ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 21 lines filtered. ] Content-Id: Content-Disposition: inline Can we help this guy out? Thanks, Daniel __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Hi I'm Jeremiah from Philippines and I'm just wondering if you can help me find a shop at California preferably near San Jose that sells Shock absorbers that can fit my Defender and can lift it up to 2-3 inches. Some tells me that Billstein are good shocks but honestly I don't really know. If it is possible, can you give me some tips on how can I make my defender higher. 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So do we. --0-1499802905-1087470070=:97813 From bens Thu Jun 17 10:46:27 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5HEkQQr030555 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:46:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5HEkQXa030554 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:46:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:46:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200406171446.i5HEkQ0i030550@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New Car Help (OT) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Several years ago, when I was looking for a station wagon, I went to every MB dealer in the Bay Area. All the salesmen I talked to were obnoxious so I declined to get one. (I think they thought I didn't look like a MB owner.) When I bought my Landcruiser many moons ago, most Toyota dealers didn't know what a Landcruiser was. And those that did, were not nice about selling them. I eventually bought it from a very nice salesman who later told me he didn't think I could afford to buy one (or a car for that matter) so really wasn't trying to sell it to me. (I was on the way to play a soccer game and dressed appropriately.) I think it is hit or miss with car salesmen regardless of the dealership - with mostly miss. Just keep checking if you are looking for a particular vehicle. I would also try the AAA or Costco listings. If you already know the vehicle you want, I've been told that LA is the place to get a deal. I know several people in the Bay Area who bought their vehcile from LA and had it shipped up here. Frank ------------------------------ cirvin wrote: >Keith, > >I'd surely complain to BMW corporate, name the people that you had to deal with - then go buy a Mercedes: when you get to the Mercedes dealer, let them know that you there because BMW pissed you off! > From bens Thu Jun 17 11:47:23 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5HFlNQr000785 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:47:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5HFlNkM000784 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:47:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:47:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200406171547.i5HFlNDX000780@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New Car Help (OT) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org cirvin wrote: > Keith, > > I'd surely complain to BMW corporate,... then go buy a Mercedes: when you get to the Mercedes dealer,.. Having talked to both trust me the Merc dealers are worse. Bruce From bens Thu Jun 17 12:16:25 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5HGGOQr002084 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:16:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5HGGOO0002083 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:16:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:16:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200406171616.i5HGGO90002079@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Chris De Jesus" To: Subject: Re: New Car Help (OT) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Keith, If you take Charles' advice and go with a Mercedes drop me a line. I went to the C Spot party in Sacto and picked up a $1500.00 off coupon for any C Class car, AMG models not included. It is good for $1500.00 off your lowest negotiated price. We won't be buying a new car in the next 90 days, so the coupon is yours if you want it. Regards, Chris DeJesus Mudy_ovl ----- Original Message ----- From: "cirvin" To: Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 6:38 AM Subject: Re: New Car Help (OT) > > Keith, > > I'd surely complain to BMW corporate, name the people that you had to deal with - then go buy a Mercedes: when you get to the Mercedes dealer, let them know that you there because BMW pissed you off! > > Charles > > -----Original message----- > From: Keith Shukait shukait@mac.com > Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:56:32 -0700 > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: New Car Help (OT) > [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jun 17 12:24:25 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5HGOPQr002355 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:24:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5HGOPox002354 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:24:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:24:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200406171624.i5HGOPDZ002350@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Chris De Jesus" To: Subject: Re: New Car Help (OT) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Keith, A customer of mine was in NV for the weekend and test drove the new 6-cylinder MB. He has had a diesel MB for 20 years and was very impressed with the performance and mileage (27/37) of the new model. He was told by the dealer that you can register a diesel car as a used car in CA after 7500 miles. Just a thought. Chris De Jesus Mudy_ovl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:47 AM Subject: Re: New Car Help (OT) > > > > cirvin wrote: > > > Keith, > > > > I'd surely complain to BMW corporate,... then go buy a Mercedes: when you get to the Mercedes dealer,.. > > Having talked to both trust me the Merc dealers are worse. > > Bruce > > > From bens Thu Jun 17 12:35:13 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5HGZDQr002928 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:35:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5HGZD3T002927 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:35:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:35:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200406171635.i5HGZDbH002923@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: carb woes? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200406162240.i5GMeC4h022129@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org>you wrote: --- Blair Peterson wrote: > PS: Mendo digest #1373 just hit my inbox but was stripped > of content due to "The original message content contained > a virus or was blocked due to blocking rules and has been > removed". Bummer. It must have been a content blocker. I just looked at digest #1373. Straight text. Nothing that looked odd with a quick glance. Just a few messages: From: "Kerner, Rob" From: "Mehdi Saghafi" From: "Ted V Harwood II" From: Crocuta From: Crocuta From: cirvin From: Crocuta crocuta@earthlink.net From: "Alan & Catherine Logue" From: "cirvin" From: TeriAnn Wakeman From: hipine@att.net From: Paul Archibald From: "0792" <0792@medicineshoppe.com> From: hipine@att.net From: hipine@att.net From: Paul Archibald From: "Maxwell Lamb" From: "Kerner, Rob" Paul wrote: > hmmmmmm! well maybe the whole list got that email from > "eduardo" or whatever that was coming from BEN SMITH! ;-) > I was surprised to get it and think deleted before sending > a note to Ben, but I'm sure if it did come to all of mendo, he knows...Ben? I get so much spam I don't even look at it. Filters take care of 50 to 100 per day and another 20 to 40 get through. It all goes to the dust bin. The list itself gets around 6 spams per day which are dropped onto the floor by the filter. Such as: 06/16 mailfiler@fourfol Error, From: "Lydia " is not a member of mendo_recce 06/16 mailfiler@fourfol Error, From: "Cleo Lopez" is not a member of mendo_recce 06/17 mailfiler@fourfol Error, From: "Brooke Gillis" is not a member of mendo_recce 06/17 mailfiler@fourfol Error, From: Marion Peck is not a member of mendo_recce 06/17 mailfiler@fourfol Error, From: "Fernando Brandon" is not a member of mendo_recce 06/17 mailfiler@fourfol Error, From: "Fredrick Moreno" is not a member of mendo_recce 06/17 mailfiler@fourfol Error, From: "At the L0west Prices- Win XP, office n many more" is not a member of mendo_recce If you want me to look into a specific spam and if it came from my server, you'd have to send me the whole email (including headers). Then I can reconcile it with the logs. In general, forging email is trivial. I get lots of spam from "friends", though I know they never sent the email. Funny when both of us are on the same box and the email from him comes from halfway around the world. Ben From bens Thu Jun 17 15:47:01 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5HJl1Qr012236 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:47:01 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5HJl1af012235 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:47:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:47:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200406171947.i5HJl1Xs012231@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: jarrod wyrick To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: looking for a RRC or ... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Group, Over the last few years I have been doing more off roading with my Disco II, but I was a bit limited to how much I was willing to modify/ use it because it still needed to work for a family tripster. My wife had a passat, it was a good car, but it just did not fit the family and all the stuff we lug on trips. So My wife and I bought a Volvo XC90. The bad news I that I no longer have my Disco II. The good news is that this opens the door to buy a older RRC or ... that I could modify and use the hell out of on trails with no worries. In saying that, please let me know if you come across and good Rover deals. For now I am looking for something under about 6k. If I do not find something, I will save for a bit and buy a D90 Thanks for the leads, Jarrod From bens Thu Jun 17 17:04:36 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5HL4aQr015457 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 17:04:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5HL4aYg015456 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 17:04:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 17:04:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200406172104.i5HL4ZSG015452@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: cirvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New Car Help (OT) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org How in the heck do they stay in business??? I mean, are there that many people out there that LIKE to be treated badly by salespeople? Charles > Having talked to both trust me the Merc dealers are worse. > > Bruce > From bens Thu Jun 17 17:37:05 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5HLb5Qr017047 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 17:37:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5HLb5ic017046 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 17:37:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 17:37:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200406172137.i5HLb4ft017042@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New Car Help (OT) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I think it has alot to do with the sales droids interpretation of the buyer. Katherine and I haven't been car shopping, but have seen the same thing in high end furniture stores. We dress very casually and sometimes have a hard time getting help. Once folks find out that we have a couple things in the house and we're looking for other specific things they get pretty helpful. That gets back to what Frank said about not looking like he could afford the car. Rob mentioned Niello and I have to say that driving the Mercury in to look at Minis was fun. One saleswoman didn't seem to know anything about cars, and was basically just there to fill out forms so people could buy the cars. She had to look through the brochures and manual for answers to questions, but she was pleasant and let me take a test drive onto the freeway. But, I didn't go alone, she came along. I talked to a BMW salesman about something (I forget what), and he was very pleasant when I was not even looking at BMWs. So, on this basis, Niello seems personable. I think my sister got a BMW there a couple years ago. On Thu, 17 Jun 2004, cirvin wrote: > > How in the heck do they stay in business??? I mean, are there that many people out there that LIKE to be treated badly by salespeople? > > Charles > > > Having talked to both trust me the Merc dealers are worse. > > > > Bruce > > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens Thu Jun 17 19:55:45 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5HNtjQr022676 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 19:55:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5HNtjC7022675 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 19:55:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 19:55:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200406172355.i5HNtjsh022671@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Alan Giblin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New Car Help (OT) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I think it has alot to do with the sales droids interpretation of the >buyer. Katherine and I haven't been car shopping, but have seen the same >thing in high end furniture stores. We dress very casually and sometimes >have a hard time getting help. Once folks find out that we have a couple >things in the house and we're looking for other specific things they get >pretty helpful. That gets back to what Frank said about not looking like >he could afford the car. I had this experience in a Dallas Mercedes dealership, they had a pretty G-Wagen out front and I wanted to know a little more about the car. I happen to be driving my friends crappy saturn. I walk in and 5 of the 6 guys on sales there totally find something else to look at as I get close. The last poor guy takes a bullet and talks to me. I tell him I drive land rovers he loosens up and we have a pretty good time climbing in and out of the G-Wagens and talking offroading. What would be funny is to dress nice and then tell the guys who are fighting for your attention that you only have 20k for a car. heh Alan From bens Thu Jun 17 22:02:42 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5I22gQr027856 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:02:42 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5I22gLP027855 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:02:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:02:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200406180202.i5I22fkL027851@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. New Car Help (OT) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Keith, Why don't you just get a new Celica/Accord, be done with it, and THEN put the rest of the money into that hulking Dormobile in your driveway?? And by the way, please give us an updated restoration schedule! Cheers, Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:56:31 -0400 From: Keith Shukait Subject: New Car Help (OT) All, We went to Stevens Creek BMW, Mountain View BMW and Peter Pan BMW. All three salesmen were incredibly obnoxious. Stevens Creek - Didn't have the time of day for someone interested in a "entry level" new 325i... ..............Anybody know a good BMW salesman? Thanks, Keith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From bens Thu Jun 17 22:09:20 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5I29KQr028067 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:09:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5I29KIe028066 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:09:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:09:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200406180209.i5I29JFc028062@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. looking for a RRC or ... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jarrod, Theres a guy I casually know in Torrance who has a 90ish Classic for sale: $7K with Hanibal rack, awning and tent. Around 100K miles. Mild lift, BFG AT tires. Straight body but so-so metallic brown paint. Let me know if you want his number - I'll be around there this weekend. Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:47:01 -0400 From: jarrod wyrick Subject: looking for a RRC or ... Hi Group, Over the last few years I have been doing more off roading with my Disco II, but I was a bit limited to how much I was willing to modify/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From bens Thu Jun 17 22:13:02 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5I2D2Qr028287 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:13:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5I2D259028286 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:13:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:13:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200406180213.i5I2D2GY028282@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: New Car Help (OT) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org have u ever tried the european delivery, it was fun and u save about $5K chk this out www.bimmerfest.com, go to the forum and see how low the prices go down fil 04 330cic perf package >From: Keith Shukait >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: New Car Help (OT) >Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:56:31 -0400 > >All, > >We went to Stevens Creek BMW, Mountain View BMW and Peter Pan BMW. All [ 20 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From bens Thu Jun 17 22:15:25 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5I2FPQr028490 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:15:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5I2FP9h028489 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:15:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:15:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200406180215.i5I2FOou028485@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: Re: re. looking for a RRC or ... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org i have a 1990 RRC with 144K miles on it.....or should I say I did have one..it became RR Flambé today on 101 N....the engine suddenly burst into flames..everything is toast..... it is a might sad to see your car on fire i guess it's time to make the 1960 Ser II 88" pick up my daily driver.... thank heaven for comprehensive coverage...go AAA ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe mulqueen" To: "mendo" Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 7:09 PM Subject: re. looking for a RRC or ... > > Jarrod, > Theres a guy I casually know in Torrance who has a > 90ish Classic for sale: > $7K with Hanibal rack, awning and tent. Around 100K > miles. Mild lift, BFG AT tires. Straight body but > so-so metallic brown paint. Let me know if you want > his number - I'll be around there this weekend. > Joe Mulqueen [ 20 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jun 17 22:38:52 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5I2cqQr029303 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:38:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5I2cq2C029302 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:38:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:38:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200406180238.i5I2cqrd029298@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Brian" To: Subject: OT: Bimmer Dealers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The Bimmer dealers are notoriously bad in Northern California and it has been documented everywhere. Complaints to BMW NA regarding dealer sales tactics -- any dealer -- will get you nowhere. Trust me... Been there and done that! I have a lot of BMW related contacts all the way up to the VP of Customer Service of BMW NA and the Regional VP. Dealers are independently owned and BMW NA tends to maintain a "hands off" attitude toward them. I have contacts at several BMW dealers here in southern California and 1 for the dealer in Las Vegas. I can highly recommend Kevin Hite at Crevier BMW. Crevier BMW is the largest BMW center in the US and Kevin is an avid club member enthusiast with a very low key approach. I have known Kevin more than 10 years. I am sure he would be happy to help you with the purchase of a base model 325i -- because I know he looked for one for me (they actually had a bunch on the lot and he located the exact combo I was looking for in an unaccounted for shipment on the ocean -- too bad I didn't buy it). Fly in to Orange County, have their shuttle pick you up, and take the 101 home. Anyway, if you want the contact, then let me know. I also have a great southern California Mercedes-Benz contact at Caliber Motors in Anaheim Hills. Originally a BMW enthusiast, he switched MB about 8 years ago. I have known him for more than 17 years. Feel free to call me at 949.212.0125 [cell] or 949.587.6451 [work] to get their contact information. Or, you can just email me at roundel@hotmail.com Brian Foster From bens Thu Jun 17 23:00:03 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5I303Qr030264 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 23:00:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5I303kn030263 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 23:00:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 23:00:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200406180300.i5I303Nf030259@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: New Car Help (OT) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- "Fil F." wrote: > > have u ever tried the european delivery, it was fun and u > save about $5K > > chk this out > > www.bimmerfest.com, go to the forum and see how low the > prices go down > [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] AHA!!!!!!!!!!! THE true reason for clearing out the land-rovers! ;-) so are you down to just teh rangie now? Paul From bens Fri Jun 18 00:26:11 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5I4QBQr002626 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 00:26:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5I4QBaU002625 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 00:26:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 00:26:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200406180426.i5I4QAlh002621@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Aidan McLeer" To: Subject: Re: New Car Help (OT) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If you do entertain the idea of calling Niello BMW talk to Kevin Brownfield,he is the sales manager there, He used to be the sales manager at Land Rover Rocklin (also a Niello company) and has a 95 Disco 5speed that he wheels quite often, and is a pretty nice guy. Later Aidan Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail, Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying "Dude, that was awesome " http://community.webshots.com/user/auditech From bens Fri Jun 18 00:48:04 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5I4m4Qr003760 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 00:48:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5I4m4Br003759 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 00:48:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 00:48:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200406180448.i5I4m3mu003755@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: RR electrical issues Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 33 lines filtered. ] In a message dated 6/17/04 6:52:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us writes: > Zack, wouldn't the yuppie thing be to have the mechanic at the shop fix > it? And then whine about how the car malfubctions? > > Close. First one has to bollix it up oneself, then determine that one has not the time available to fix it. All in complete non-recognition that one has not obtained the skills. Then one asks on the internet chat list and replaces several non-related parts. Next one has the AAA tow the car to the mechanic who works on it for an hour or so to re-adjust the various devices toyed with, then the mechanic adds the couple of gallons of gas it takes to get the thing running again. Then, and only then can one complain about the mechanic and the absurdly high costs of ownership, while drinking a $5.oo latte. I think that's how TerriAnn described them to me. All Grins, Zack From bens Fri Jun 18 03:31:32 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5I7VWQr010258 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 03:31:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5I7VWtO010257 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 03:31:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 03:31:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200406180731.i5I7VWE3010253@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "G. Mugele" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New Car Help (OT) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 11:47 AM -0400 6/17/04, Bruce R. Bonar wrote: > > I'd surely complain to BMW corporate,... then go buy a Mercedes: >when you get to the Mercedes dealer,.. > >Having talked to both trust me the Merc dealers are worse. I agree... I've bought MBs three times and each time at least 5 salesdroids tried their damnedest to lose my business. They all succeeded. RAB (San Rafael) has done the best job of keeping me from buying ANYTHING from them.... they always dealt MBs and they have also sold Mazdas, Peugeot, Isuzu and they sold Land Rovers for a while,,,, they've had nine opportunities to sell me a car (after I was already set to buy) and they pissed me off each time. Also vert bad is SF, Oakland and Stead in Walnut Creek. Worst by far in terms of interaction was that outfit in Santa Clara.... NEVER returned any of 5 phone calls and 3 or 4 website contacts. We got our last MB in Sacramento and they were less than perfect but far better than next best. We're about to get another MB and the guy in Sac will get the first shot at selling it to us. But I think Charles has a point.... if nobody ever whines to the corporate dweebs they'll blame the lack of sales on something like not having the right interior color selection or maybe the lack of a power makeup applicator. That's the next option; it's for babes too busy on the phone and swilling their latte to be putting on their own mascara. Why yes, you did hit a hot button. What made you think that? LR content in an aside: Today I met a young woman in Sonoma in a 66 IIa. Topless. Looked pretty terrific. The LR of course. She has recently relocated to Sonoma Valley and is interested in joining the crowd. She sez she has converted her boyfriend from an FJ40 to a RR. Her name is Pam Fritz, The 88 has a Chevy in it and she sez it's one of Timm's first conversions. Gerry From bens Fri Jun 18 09:46:16 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5IDkGQr025557 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:46:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5IDkGbi025556 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:46:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:46:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200406181346.i5IDkErK025552@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Alexandra Hare" To: "Bens" Subject: Affordable Phentermine - All meds delivered overnight Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 212 lines filtered. ] ----76797392553381707 From bens Fri Jun 18 10:07:32 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5IE7WQr026539 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:07:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5IE7WoG026538 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:07:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:07:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200406181407.i5IE7Wx1026534@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Bob and Sue B To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: re. Daniels RR. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Darn! That's too bad. Nobody hurt I hope! Was this your ambulance or another I didn't know about. Bob B At 10:15 PM 6/17/2004 -0400, you wrote: >i have a 1990 RRC with 144K miles on it.....or should I say I did have >one..it became RR Flambé today on 101 N....the engine suddenly burst into >flames..everything is toast..... >it is a might sad to see your car on fire > >i guess it's time to make the 1960 Ser II 88" pick up my daily driver.... > >thank heaven for comprehensive coverage...go AAA >----- Original Message ----- [ 16 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jun 18 14:15:02 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5IIF2Qr004643 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:15:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5IIF2f0004642 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:15:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:15:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200406181815.i5IIF2tn004638@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: '95 Disco Running Bad...... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mssr. Shukait had sort of similar issues with his Disco. It was, after replacing every sensor in the history of the universe, finally diagnosed as a bad/ worn out/no good/ piece of junk. wiring harness. When it was idling, he wiggled the harness....poof, the engine quit. From bens Fri Jun 18 15:53:21 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5IJrLQr008835 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:53:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5IJrLBZ008834 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:53:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:53:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200406181953.i5IJrLDm008830@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: New Car Help (OT) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org lol, i still have the D90 and the RR GDE, i might sell the D90 i am asking $22K for it, have no posted it yet in any classifieds fil >From: Paul Archibald >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: RE: New Car Help (OT) >Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 23:00:03 -0400 > >--- "Fil F." wrote: > > > > have u ever tried the european delivery, it was fun and u [ 14 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From bens Fri Jun 18 22:23:47 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5J2NlQr024406 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 22:23:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5J2NlgO024405 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 22:23:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 22:23:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200406190223.i5J2Nkde024401@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Land Rover Salesman Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org After Keith posted that he was having a hard time finding a good BMW salesman I sent a post to the BMW list and got a bunch of names for him (and a bunch of posts telling me that Keith will have an easier time finding an honest politician than a good BMW salesman). One guy (that I have met at a Trackmasters track day) wrote: > On a similar note, if you're looking for a Land Rover and want to > give your business to a fellow enthusiast, reach out to Parris at > Land Rover Marin. He's a fellow BMW fan and a Barber Dodge > racer. > -peter*g > '95 BMW M3 IP/A3 Racer > '03 BMW 330iPP > '00 Range Rover 4.6HSE Does anyone know Parris? Kevin From bens Fri Jun 18 22:36:40 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5J2aeQr025013 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 22:36:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5J2ae40025012 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 22:36:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 22:36:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200406190236.i5J2adGB025008@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: Fusible link fixed but Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I rewired the fusible link, while it open I ran some of the electrical things that didn't work. Everything worked, but the wire got hot wheb I ran the air conditioner. I could run the blower without it getting hot, but the air conditioner got the wire hot. The air con blows cold air. Does this mean my compressor is going bad and drawing too much power? Rob -------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld From bens Sat Jun 19 10:22:29 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5JEMSQr022695 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 10:22:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5JEMS9s022694 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 10:22:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 10:22:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200406191422.i5JEMSx7022690@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Dave G." To: Subject: Re: Fusible link fixed but Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The only thing drawing juice on the compressor is the magnetic clutch. Anything going wrong with the compressor won't effect that. Look for something simpler like a wire with worn insulation rubbing against something. Or start by unplugging the mag clutch to see if the wire still heats up when you turn on the air. (to tell whether the problem is internal to the clutch, or out in the wiring). Time for a tangle with ol' Joe Lucas eh? :^) -Dave G. From bens Sat Jun 19 10:38:04 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5JEc4Qr023288 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 10:38:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5JEc4S2023287 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 10:38:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 10:38:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200406191438.i5JEc4Wp023283@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Bob and Sue B To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Fusible link fixed but Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi. On Sue's car the A/C fuse blew out twice, so I cleaned the plug to the clutch and added some protective electrolytic grease as I replugged it. Been fine now for over two years. Bob B At 10:22 AM 6/19/2004 -0400, you wrote: >The only thing drawing juice on the compressor is the magnetic clutch. >Anything going wrong with the compressor won't effect that. Look for >something simpler like a wire with worn insulation rubbing against >something. Or start by unplugging the mag clutch to see if the wire still >heats up when you turn on the air. (to tell whether the problem is internal >to the clutch, or out in the wiring). > >Time for a tangle with ol' Joe Lucas eh? :^) > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Jun 19 11:37:10 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5JFbAQr025688 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 11:37:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5JFbAWH025687 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 11:37:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 11:37:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200406191537.i5JFb9CS025683@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Fusible link fixed but Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 30 lines filtered. ] In a message dated 6/18/04 7:41:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Kerner@vegmail.ucdavis.edu writes: > Does this mean my compressor is going bad and drawing too much power? > > This has a relationship to how hot it was when running. If it was too hot to leave in your hand probably. If it was simply warm to the touch, maybe not so much. Numbers would be very helpful, but it could also help to assess the condition of the clutch at the AC, the general condition thereabouts, and the voltage in said wire. If you get a voltage drop while running, various loads, that will tell you some more. Not helpful I know, but a good part of how these get checked out. My favorite AC (car) guys changed hands, so I don't know how they are now. They were, Polar Bear Air, near Arden Fair in Sacramento. I think some of the techs are still there, but I don't know how long. Zack From bens Sat Jun 19 11:44:26 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5JFiQQr025903 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 11:44:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5JFiQT9025902 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 11:44:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 11:44:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200406191544.i5JFiQDh025898@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Fusible link fixed but Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 29 lines filtered. ] In a message dated 6/19/04 7:27:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, hipine@worldnet.att.net writes: > The only thing drawing juice on the compressor is the magnetic clutch. > In my earlier post I didn't explain, but of course as usual Dave is exactly right, but he didn't explain either, how the mag clutch fails. The many coils of wire (say miles) that make up the electromagnet can short between adjacent points. Thus the current rises in the magnet as the coil gets effectively shorter and shorter. As the current rises, more amps get to run through the wire, and hey-presto! hot wire. At some point the wire or fusible link fails. In other news, the harness for the pop-in-laws 50 mercury failed to release smoke on powering up yestiddy. Disappointing as entertainment, nice as workmanship goes. Zack From bens Sat Jun 19 16:12:47 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5JKClQr004211 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 16:12:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5JKCl0H004210 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 16:12:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 16:12:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200406192012.i5JKCknw004206@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org, DOR@mail.drivearoundtheworld.com Subject: Fwd: Hayward ABFM Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, Please come if you can, We'll have the XD and Millie: 14th Annual Hayward Field Meet All British Car Show and Swap Meet Cal State University, Hayward Sunday, June 20, 2004 Event starts at 8:00AM Judging of cars begins at 11:00 AM Entry fees: $20 day of event Swap meet vendors: $20 day of the event Spectators: free! Trophies in several categories and door prizes Information call Jon Becker 925-689-4005 days or 925-228-1672 evenings See ya there, Keith & Pam Shukait 1997 Land Rover Discovery XD "YLLWJKT" 1969 Land Rover Series IIA ExMoD 109 Regular "Millie" 1967 Land Rover Series IIA NADA 6 Cylinder Dormobile "Indiana" From bens Sat Jun 19 16:54:46 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5JKskQr005866 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 16:54:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5JKskns005865 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 16:54:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 16:54:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200406192054.i5JKskHh005861@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Car Results (OT) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, THANK YOU!!! for all the responses both on and off list. Pam and I went to Livermore Friday morning to pick up Millie from West Coast British (Mike Green). On the way back home we decided what the heck, we'll stop in at Livermore BMW. We talked with a decent salesman (finally a nice guy) the car and options we wanted was not available in the western US. Pam was not happy so she decided to take another look at the Lexus IS300. She test drove both the manual and tiptronic then decided that it was time to buy. I really wanted the BMW 325i but, had to remember this was her choice and I should bow out. The Lexus is loaded, navigation, sport package blah blah blah the list goes on for ever. It's really nice and she's very happy. The car is black with black leather and the 5 speed manual trans. More options, bigger engine, more HP, faster, smoother and $4000 less that the 325i. It's a little smaller inside but very comfortable for 4 adults. We probably didn't need it with the Lexus, but we bought a 7 year 100,000 mile B to B warranty. We were going to pass on it but when we got him to drop the cost from $1,860 to $1,260 I said what the heck. We spent $1447 on a engine wiring harness fro the Disco XD so $1,260 seemed cheap! ;^) Thanks again for all the advise and help. My friend Jay who was looking for a Classic Rangie bought a 98 Range Rover for $14,888 from the Subaru Dealer on Stevens Creek. He took it to AAA and they said it was in great shape. Compression test, brakes you name it, it was all good. The car is really nice and I can't believe it was only $14,888! The guy that's said he'd buy Millie might be having second thoughts. He can't find a shipper that will ship it to Mo. for less than $1795. I think that's way too much, so I'll have to make so calls to see if I can help. Just incase I'm taking her to the Hayward ABFM with the for sale sign. We agreed on $13,500 and I think that's pretty fair. I'll keep my fingers crossed as we have more cars now than we have parking for. Thanks, Keith & Pam Shukait Northern California Rover Club Mendo-Recce Digest Version 1997 Land Rover Discovery XD "YLLWJKT" 1969 Land Rover Series IIA ExMoD 109 Regular "Millie" 1967 Land Rover Series IIA NADA 6 Cylinder Dormobile "Indiana" From bens Sat Jun 19 20:23:21 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5K0NLQr014051 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 20:23:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5K0NL3r014050 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 20:23:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 20:23:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200406200023.i5K0NKoP014046@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "tom walsh" To: Subject: RE: Car Results (OT) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > My friend Jay who was looking for a Classic Rangie bought a 98 Range > Rover for $14,888 from the Subaru Dealer on Stevens Creek. > He took it > can help. Just incase I'm taking her to the Hayward ABFM > with the for > sale sign. We agreed on $13,500 and I think that's pretty > fair. I'll > keep my fingers crossed as we have more cars now than we have parking > for. > Keith & Pam Shukait When you compare the prices between the 98 top-o-the-line Land Rover, Range Rover, and the 196o something 109 pickup, I'd say the Dormie held its value a lot more than the Rangie did! ( Of course if you series was like myne you've dumped the asking price plus that again into her over time, pretty much ) So in 2038, will people be restoring "classic antique" P38 Range Rovers? If so, what will they be worth? Then again, whats a loaf of bread going to cost then? I'll be 76, I hope I'm around -*with*- the facilities to look it up or even care :) TomW From bens Sat Jun 19 20:53:15 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5K0rFQr015265 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 20:53:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5K0rFqH015264 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 20:53:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 20:53:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200406200053.i5K0rFWM015260@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "tom walsh" To: Subject: RE: Car Results (OT) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > When you compare the prices between the 98 top-o-the-line > Land Rover, Range Rover, and the 196o something 109 pickup, > I'd say the Dormie held its value a lot more than the Rangie > did! Err, that would be the 109 pickup held its value... Not the dormie ( as its not for sale ) TomW From bens Sun Jun 20 02:49:56 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5K6nuQr030781 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 02:49:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5K6nufc030780 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 02:49:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 02:49:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200406200649.i5K6nto4030776@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Crocuta To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Car Results (OT) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >The guy that's said he'd buy Millie might be having second thoughts. >He can't find a shipper that will ship it to Mo. for less than $1795. I got a car shipped from Walnut Creek to Little Rock AR (same distance as MO) for 800..and the shipper said if I'd contacted him DIRECT he'd have done it for 500. I just spent an hour looking for the receipt and his number. I had it last week but can't find it. That always bothers me. If I can find it I'll post the number because the guy was really nice and delivered on time w/o problems. He made regular runs from the midwest to the bay area. That's all. Later all! -Marshall From bens Sun Jun 20 07:51:04 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5KBp4Qr015142 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 07:51:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5KBp4a3015141 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 07:51:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 07:51:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200406201151.i5KBp3rl015137@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org Subject: Hayward ABFM Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ------- Forwarded Message To: bens@fourfold.org From: Keith Shukait Subject: Hayward ABFM Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 09:06:09 -0700 Ben, Would you please push a Mendo now with the following information about the Hayward Show. It is tomorrow morning and the mendo won't get out in time. We will have both our cars there. Thanks! Cheers, Keith 14th Annual Hayward Field Meet All British Car Show and Swap Meet Cal State University, Hayward Sunday, June 20, 2004 Event starts at 8:00AM Judging of cars begins at 11:00 AM Entry fees: $20 day of event Swap meet vendors: $20 day of the event Spectators: free! Trophies in several categories and door prizes Information call Jon Becker 925-689-4005 days or 925-228-1672 evenings ------- End of Forwarded Message From bens Sun Jun 20 11:58:50 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5KFwoQr025111 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:58:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5KFwo0p025110 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:58:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:58:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200406201558.i5KFwnNU025106@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Hayward ABFM Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > 14th Annual Hayward Field Meet > All British Car Show and Swap Meet > Cal State University, Hayward > Sunday, June 20, 2004 For the first time & a bunch of years I'll be a no show there. My dog went to the emergency vet clinic late last night & right now I'm not up to doing a lawn leak. To those who are going have a great time! TeriAnn From bens Sun Jun 20 18:03:15 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5KM3EQr007536 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:03:14 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5KM3EUI007535 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:03:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:03:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200406202203.i5KM3E0f007531@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: clutch stuff/ door latches Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Three weeks ago (yes, really), I went out to drive the dormie and the clutch pedal went to the floor like it wasn't attached to anything. Today, I finally went out to pull the master cylinder because it was so easy, I couldn't believe that the master was OK. That might have been a mistake, but I have other questions. First, since I had BCB install series 3 style brakes with the booster up on the pedal box, my old series 2a combo brake/clutch master cylinder was only a master cylinder. I want to convert the clutch master to a later CV style with the reservoir on the master. Does this fit in the series 2A housing pedal box I have? Second, I had a clear red plastic line going from the master to the slave. The fitting on this line, going into the master was frozen and thus broke upon disconnecting. I have no idea why it's a plastic line, but the question is can I make a new metal line or can I sub in a rubber line? The exhaust is on the other side, so it's not too hot where the line goes. Since I converted Elvis to antiburst latches, I have a pair of genuine series 2A Dormobile door latches and door striker plates to clear out. How does pay for postage sound? If more than one person wants them in the next 24 hours, the price is $8 (six pack of Anchor Liberty Ale) plus postage. cheers, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby", 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2000 custom fixed gear (I built the frame), 2002 Merlin Extra Fat, 2004 Steve Rex (in progress) ours: 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Sun Jun 20 22:59:52 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5L2xqQr019273 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 22:59:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5L2xqZS019272 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 22:59:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 22:59:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200406210259.i5L2xqvA019268@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: tomw To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Hayward ABFM Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > For the first time & a bunch of years I'll be a no show there. My dog > went to the emergency vet clinic late last night & right now I'm not up > to doing a lawn leak. To those who are going have a great time! > > TeriAnn heres to a speedy recovery of the pooch! -- TomW From bens Sun Jun 20 23:44:53 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5L3irQr021054 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 23:44:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5L3irq0021053 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 23:44:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 23:44:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200406210344.i5L3iqIB021049@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Rose, Randy" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: clutch stuff/ door latches Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 43 lines filtered. ] John, I'll speak up for the door latches! Here's my recollection. Fuzzy memory, many years: the slave cylinder with the integral reservoir should bolt on; I don't believe the tower changed between the two. However, my parts manual is in storage as I just moved. The slave cylinder may have a boss for 1/4" tubing, and when they first fitted them, a reducer was used and 3/16 line was plumbed to the flex line at the slave. Later, they changed to 1/4 tubing to the hose. I don't recall if the flex hose was changed at the same time. My vote would be a metal line. If you're lucky, there may remain the small "L" shaped bracket with a hole in it, down by the slave cylinder, which held the junction between the steel line and the hose. Regards, Randy From bens Mon Jun 21 02:54:08 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5L6s7Qr030214 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 02:54:07 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5L6s7Td030213 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 02:54:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 02:54:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200406210654.i5L6s7dK030209@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: Re: re. Daniels RR. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 5 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Multipart/Alternative; ] [ Text/Plain; ] [ Text/HTML; ] [ image/gif ] [ Image/jpeg ] [ 290 lines filtered. ] --------------Boundary-00=_TMCNQL80000000000000 From bens Mon Jun 21 02:56:37 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5L6ubQr030419 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 02:56:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5L6ub0Y030418 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 02:56:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 02:56:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200406210656.i5L6ua6N030414@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: Re: re. Daniels RR. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thank Bob and others for your warm (hot!) thoughts.. This was a 1990 that I bought after having sold the D130 (San Diego fireman owns it now) and the RR ambulance (Seattle artist owns it now)... I had owned it for about 6 months ...great rig!! I loved the looks, power, plushiness, color (green with tan leather...now green and charcoal) I left for Denver the morning after the fire, so I haven't yet investigated the engine bay (full of lumps of molten plastic..and a battery whose top melted off..all that remains are the posts and cables...and it still works!!) I am guessing that somehow a fuel line and an exhaust manifold were involved....as there were no temperature or pressure warning signs...no lights, gauges, rough running..no oil burn..just easy driving and then poof...fire, flames shooting out from under the hood, passenger compartment filled with acrid smoke(melting foam insulation, rubber, plastic, electrical wire insulation..yuck), car to center median.....get out and pray.... If any useful information arises I will pass it on so as to hopefully prevent a calamity for someone else. I only incurred a slight hair loss on one leg while a couple of us were extinguishing the fire (the fluids on roadway had caught fire and while I was standing there I didn't notice my tennis shoe was getting reconfigured...) I think AAA will be towing it to their salvage yard on Tuesday...so if there are parts that would be easily removed that anyone may need (without significantly reducing the salvage value)...don't hesitate to ask....also, there is a full tank of gas..well, maybe less now, that is available for the 1st person with a siphon hose...and at today's cost..what a deal! e-mail off list if you need anything... From bens Mon Jun 21 07:32:27 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5LBWRQr009214 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:32:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5LBWRbl009213 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:32:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:32:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200406211132.i5LBWQT1009206@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Christie Woodruff" To: "Bens" Subject: Huge savings on phentermine - All meds delivered overnight Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 211 lines filtered. ] ----988547503795324136 From bens Mon Jun 21 09:53:32 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5LDrWQr015148 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:53:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5LDrWI7015147 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:53:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:53:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200406211353.i5LDrWur015143@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: hipine@att.net To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: re. Daniels RR. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...I am guessing that somehow a fuel line and an exhaust manifold..." Also guess auto trans cooler lines + same manifold. More than one coiler has caught fire when one of those went south. But I guess the question is moot. Toast is toast. Hope it all settles up in your favor and glad nobody was hurt. -Dave G. From bens Mon Jun 21 10:39:46 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5LEdkQr017025 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:39:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5LEdk3V017024 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:39:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:39:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200406211439.i5LEdjAX017020@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: tomw To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: re. Daniels RR. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Sun, 2004-06-20 at 23:56, Daniel Oppenheim wrote: > Thank Bob and others for your warm (hot!) thoughts.. > > I am guessing that somehow a fuel line and an exhaust manifold were > involved.... My guess is the auto tranny line let go, its a classic cause for a bonfire! it close to the manifold also. TomW From bens Mon Jun 21 13:48:33 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5LHmXQr024785 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:48:33 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5LHmX7A024784 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:48:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:48:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200406211748.i5LHmXrH024780@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: shukait@mac.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Dormobile Restoration Schedule / Auto Shipper Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Joe and all, > Why don't you just get a new Celica/Accord, be done > with it, and THEN put the rest of the money into that > hulking Dormobile in your driveway?? We bought a Lexus IS300 on Friday and Millie got kicked out of the garage! > And by the way, please give us an updated restoration schedule! I need to find a trusted auto shipper so I can finish the deal with Millie. The last folks I used only did special needs and were expensive. Indiana came with 2 6cyl engines on pallets so I couldn't use a regular shipper. Any leads will be appreciated. Please respond directly as I'm on the digest version. The cash from Millie will go directly into the Indiana and the restoration will start. Pam and I have been putting a project plan together so things run smoother and it will start as soon as Millie leaves (I need the room). Thanks, Keith & Pam Shukait 1997 Land Rover Discovery XD "YLLWJKT" 1969 Land Rover Series IIA ExMoD 109 Regular "Millie" 1967 Land Rover Series IIA NADA 6 Cylinder Dormobile "Indiana" From bens Mon Jun 21 15:49:15 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5LJnFQr029709 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:49:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5LJnFcD029708 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:49:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:49:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200406211949.i5LJnE8q029704@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Alan Giblin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Land Rover Salesman Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kevin, I have talked to Parris a few times at land rover marin, he is a good guy. Alan >After Keith posted that he was having a hard time finding a good BMW >salesman I sent a post to the BMW list and got a bunch of names for him (and >a bunch of posts telling me that Keith will have an easier time finding an >honest politician than a good BMW salesman). One guy (that I have met at a >Trackmasters track day) wrote: > >> On a similar note, if you're looking for a Land Rover and want to >> give your business to a fellow enthusiast, reach out to Parris at >> Land Rover Marin. He's a fellow BMW fan and a Barber Dodge [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jun 22 10:58:38 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5MEwcQr012864 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:58:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5MEwcGZ012863 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:58:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:58:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200406221458.i5MEwcle012859@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: re. Daniels RR. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Talking about bonfires, I was in a traffic jam on I 80 going into San Fran' on Sunday. After crawling for hours I saw that the cause was a burned out hulk of a suzuki jeep attached to the back of an RV. I wonder what happened there. Brake left on? Left in gear. Also, on the way back out of San Fran on 80 I passed a 67 Series IIa with British paltes on the front and a roof rack. Faded green and doing 60. Who was this. It was a bit battered but looked great. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "tomw" To: Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 7:39 AM Subject: Re: re. Daniels RR. > > On Sun, 2004-06-20 at 23:56, Daniel Oppenheim wrote: > > Thank Bob and others for your warm (hot!) thoughts.. > > > > > I am guessing that somehow a fuel line and an exhaust manifold were > > involved.... > > My guess is the auto tranny line let go, its a classic cause for a [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jun 22 11:52:39 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5MFqdQr015269 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:52:39 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5MFqd7E015268 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:52:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:52:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200406221552.i5MFqdqI015264@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: ntucker@sfsu.edu To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RRC: Bogus Boge Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Below is a correspondence in regards to the Boge auto load leveler as fitted on RRC's (and others). I came across this solution on a LR site from South Africa. Here's the link: http://www.landyonline.co.za/techtalk/bodge_to_coil_conversion.htm This solution to the rear sagging on RRC's due to a non-functioning Boge is to put a coil spring in place of the leveler. Below is his experience, and I may try to source the parts myself and do the conversion with one of my old RRC progressive springs and see what happens. Another thought would be to find a spring with a lower rate and use an "Air- lift" spring inside the coil and add air when the load gets extreme. Hmmm, maybe I am on to something...and since my leveler is no bueno I may do some R&D. Has anyone done this before, as learning from other's experiences will greatly enhance this 'project'. Nathan Reply to my original (omitted) inquiry: Hi Nathan I hope the site will be of help to you. The main concern choosing a spring is the width of the spring and the length. I used the mazda spring since it was available and it fitted between the wishbones. As you can see in the photos I made an extension since the spring is slightly too short. Before I sold the rangie I was planning to use a landy spring, never got around to it. I had a s spare rear spring of a rangie and was planning to use it. I checked it out and I could have installed it straight in the fittings for the mazda spring. I think it would have been a wiser choice because of the loading problems with the rangie. Most of the stuff one loads ends up behind the rear axle and with a 120L petrol tank behind the axle as well it needed all the help it can get. As far as the ride is concerned it made no difference at all since the spring is located in the center of the vehicle. It has no effect on the roll and articulation. I could load a lot more than before. You are most welcome to post this reply and a link. Please feel free to contact me if you require more info. Regards Piet From bens Tue Jun 22 12:01:50 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5MG1oQr015681 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:01:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5MG1oEn015680 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:01:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:01:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200406221601.i5MG1oJ9015676@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: ntucker@sfsu.edu To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RRC: A/C Hose Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Has anyone purchased or checked prices on A/C hoses for Range Rovers? I was quoted the following for a 14" hose (condensor to dryer): Atlantic British: $239 The guy told me they are not available due to cost. British Pacific: $169 Speedycarparts.com: $159 At these prices it is over $10/inch! I think it must be made of gold and dipped in rubber for aesthetic purposes. Anyone know a good shop that can make a hose in the North Bay or anywhere? thanks, Nathan From bens Tue Jun 22 12:34:42 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5MGYgQr016924 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:34:42 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5MGYgT7016923 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:34:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:34:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200406221634.i5MGYgUF016919@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Riston" To: Subject: RE: Bogus Boge Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 69 lines filtered. ] Nathan Just use Disco rear springs it is a 1" lift but a great ride and you don't need any self leveler. Cheers Eric Eric (231) Riston Retail Sales Team Leader Senior Retail Sales Rep----over 10 years experience North American Land Rover club liaison 1-800-533-2210 ext 231 From bens Tue Jun 22 13:34:58 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5MHYwQr019367 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:34:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5MHYwe4019366 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:34:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:34:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200406221734.i5MHYw8H019362@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Re: re. Daniels RR. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Another sober reminder for ten+ yr old vehicles - check those hoses. It's not enough to pop the bonnet, take a peak, and declare everything OK. You really need to get your "microscope" out and give 'em good scrutiny. For hoses where you can't see/touch the entire length best bet is to replace them. Spongy, cracked or very stiff hoses should be replaced soon. Consider replacing ALL the hoses and have ultimate peace of mind. That's what I did with my '82 Jaguar (another brand known to go up in flames) and I can drive it anywhere. Regards, JoeM '67 SIIA 109 SW Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:39:45 -0400 From: tomw Subject: Re: re. Daniels RR. On Sun, 2004-06-20 at 23:56, Daniel Oppenheim wrote: > Thank Bob and others for your warm (hot!) thoughts.. > > I am guessing that somehow a fuel line and an exhaust manifold were > involved.... My guess is the auto tranny line let go, its a classic cause for a bonfire! it close to the manifold also. TomW __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From bens Tue Jun 22 14:05:13 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5MI5DQr020720 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:05:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5MI5DjR020719 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:05:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:05:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200406221805.i5MI5Dwn020715@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: RE: A/C Hose Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org LR likes their AC hoses too much! If you take the hose off and take it to a hydraulic hose place they can split it open, reuse the ends, and build up the hose to the correct length. Figure $30/hose unless you go with aircraft grade or some other exotic wire braid covering finish.... How do I know this? My AC hose blew up the other day. It was quite spectacular (venting Freon onto the exhaust manifold). I replaced the AC hose and the oil cooler lines at the same time. From bens Tue Jun 22 14:12:00 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5MIC0Qr021000 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:12:00 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5MIC0h5020999 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:12:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:11:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200406221811.i5MIBxmL020995@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: RE: re. Daniels RR. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I just did this. One of those projects that got out of hand... 1. Still overheating on the trails, so time to rebuild the radiator. 2. While the radiator is out, might as well replace those oil cooler lines. Heard too many horror stories... 3. Probably time to do belts as well, since the radiator is out it is easy to get at them... 4. Oops, water pump doesn't look to good, better replace it... 5. Since the belts and radiator are off, its so easy to change the hoses might as well do that as well... 6. Replaced the AC hose that blew last month. Kind of like when you start out patching a hole in a wall and end up repainting the whole house... From bens Tue Jun 22 15:26:29 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5MJQTQr024140 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:26:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5MJQTUW024139 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:26:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:26:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200406221926.i5MJQSHt024135@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: 2005 G4 Challenge Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I just saw the email about the 2005 Challenge. I was surprised to see that the US is not on the list of competing countries. Given the LR push into the NA market I was a bit surprised. "For the 2005 Land Rover G4 Challenge our participating countries are: Argentina, Australia, Belgium & Luxembourg, Brazil, Chile & Costa Rica, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Netherlands, South Africa, Spain, Russia, Taiwan, Turkey and United Kingdom." Anyone have any thoughts on why they wouldn't be bringing in a US team? From bens Tue Jun 22 15:44:04 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5MJi4Qr024761 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:44:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5MJi4a9024760 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:44:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:44:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200406221944.i5MJi4lm024756@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: tomw To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: re. Daniels RR. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Tue, 2004-06-22 at 11:11, Jon Turner wrote: > I just did this. One of those projects that got out of hand... > > 1. Still overheating on the trails, so time to rebuild the radiator. > > 2. While the radiator is out, might as well replace those oil cooler lines. > Heard too many horror stories... ....... > > Kind of like when you start out patching a hole in a wall and end up > repainting the whole house... I certainly hoped you swapped out the frame and threw in a rebuilt engine while you were there, might as well :) :) -- TomW From bens Tue Jun 22 16:02:02 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5MK22Qr025603 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:02:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5MK2219025602 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:02:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:02:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200406222002.i5MK22bx025598@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: tomw To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 2005 G4 Challenge Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Tue, 2004-06-22 at 12:26, Jon Turner wrote: > I just saw the email about the 2005 Challenge. I was surprised to see that > the US is not on the list of competing countries. Given the LR push into > the NA market I was a bit surprised. > "For the 2005 Land Rover G4 Challenge our participating countries are: > Argentina, Australia, Belgium & Luxembourg, Brazil, Chile & Costa Rica, > France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Netherlands, South Africa, > Spain, Russia, Taiwan, Turkey and United Kingdom." > > Anyone have any thoughts on why they wouldn't be bringing in a US team? I think they are holding it in Iraq this year, as a result we were a little busy over their at the moment :) -- TomW From bens Tue Jun 22 16:10:29 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5MKATQr026059 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:10:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5MKAT7A026058 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:10:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:10:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200406222010.i5MKATlH026054@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Chris De Jesus" To: "Mendo Recce" Subject: Livermore Land Rover, Service? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 26 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" Has anyone had their vehicle serviced at Livermore, CA Land Rover? I am = planning to take my 95 Disco there for service since it is much for = convenient for me than Cole European in Walnut Creek. Any feedback = would be greatly appreciated. I have had work done at WCB and had good = service, but wanted to try another option. TIA, Chris DeJesus Mudy_ovl From bens Tue Jun 22 16:22:44 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5MKMiQr026465 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:22:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5MKMi5X026464 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:22:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:22:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200406222022.i5MKMhmJ026460@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: RE: Livermore Land Rover, Service? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I like WCB, but if it involves the computers or higher-tech stuff then they may not be the best option. If you go to LR Livermore I'd be interested in knowing what you think of them. They had not opened before I moved out of Pleasanton so I never did any business with them. Jon From bens Tue Jun 22 16:23:06 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5MKN6Qr026484 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:23:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5MKN6XZ026483 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:23:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:23:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200406222023.i5MKN6tB026479@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Alan Giblin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 2005 G4 Challenge Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello, My understanding is that teams apply to compete and are passed by some committee. Alan >I just saw the email about the 2005 Challenge. I was surprised to see that >the US is not on the list of competing countries. Given the LR push into >the NA market I was a bit surprised. > >"For the 2005 Land Rover G4 Challenge our participating countries are: >Argentina, Australia, Belgium & Luxembourg, Brazil, Chile & Costa Rica, >France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Netherlands, South Africa, >Spain, Russia, Taiwan, Turkey and United Kingdom." > [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jun 22 16:52:24 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5MKqOQr027781 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:52:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5MKqOv5027780 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:52:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:52:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200406222052.i5MKqNm5027776@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "David Brooks" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Livermore Land Rover, Service? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've had work done at both places, and I really liked the service at the Livermore LR dealer. They are my first choice now, especially if it is computer-related... >From: "Chris De Jesus" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: "Mendo Recce" >Subject: Livermore Land Rover, Service? >Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:10:29 -0400 > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; ] > [ 26 lines filtered. ] [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jun 23 08:33:35 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5NCXZF8003385 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:33:35 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5NCXZfm003384 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:33:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:33:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200406231233.i5NCXZY3003380@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Lance Doyle" To: Subject: RE: Livermore Land Rover, Service? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 24 lines filtered. ] Chris, I have had my first routine service plus a few misc. warranty items taken care of at Land Rover Livermore. They seem fair and have always taken care of me. Don't know how they would handle anything beyond routine service though. . . Lance From bens Wed Jun 23 08:34:25 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5NCYPF8003405 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:34:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5NCYPxQ003404 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:34:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:34:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200406231234.i5NCYPni003400@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "joshua fischer" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Testing, Testing 1,2,3 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just a test message. Hope this works.I am on the digest and if I can figure this list out I will be switching over. Thanks for your patience. Joshua Fischer 97 Disco SD 5 spd. _________________________________________________________________ Get fast, reliable Internet access with MSN 9 Dial-up – now 3 months FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ From bens Wed Jun 23 12:46:20 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5NGkKF8014106 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 12:46:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5NGkKQG014105 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 12:46:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 12:46:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200406231646.i5NGkJrD014101@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Chris De Jesus" To: Subject: Re: Livermore Land Rover, Service? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks for all the responses. I will post comments on my service experience with Livermore LR next week. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lance Doyle" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 5:33 AM Subject: RE: Livermore Land Rover, Service? > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ Included Original Message ] > [ 24 lines filtered. ] > Chris, > > I have had my first routine service plus a few misc. warranty items > taken care of at Land Rover Livermore. They seem fair and have always > taken care of me. Don't know how they would handle anything beyond [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jun 23 20:53:38 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5O0rcF8001803 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 20:53:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5O0rcoG001802 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 20:53:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 20:53:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200406240053.i5O0rbqo001798@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: BwanaE@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Blue Lakes reminder Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 25 lines filtered. ] Just a quick note reminding everybody that the NCRC's Blue Lakes trip is coming up soon... July 10-11 with a reception / byo BBQ at our place in Angels Camp on Friday night. I'll post precise driving directions and a brief RSVP list in a few days. Eric Cope 1232 Appaloosa Road Angels Camp, CA. 95222 Home phone: 209-736-9279 Cell phone: 209-988-2842 E-mail: BwanaE@aol.com From bens Wed Jun 23 22:06:02 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5O262F8004960 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:06:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5O2628c004959 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:06:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:06:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200406240206.i5O262Ui004955@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: cirvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: re. Daniels RR. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Speaking of fires... Was passing the Akal Truck Stop on 99 South the other day, and spotted the charred remains of a motorhome sitting on 4 burnt tires/wheels AT THE REMAINS OF THE GASOLINE PUMPS!!!!!! I just had to stop & take a pic. be careful out there Daniel. Charles -----Original message----- From: "Mark Pilkington" mark@skywagons.com Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 07:58:38 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: re. Daniels RR. > > Talking about bonfires, I was in a traffic jam on I 80 going into San Fran' > on Sunday. After crawling for hours I saw that the cause was a burned out > hulk of a suzuki jeep attached to the back of an RV. I wonder what happened > there. Brake left on? Left in gear. > Also, on the way back out of San Fran on 80 I passed a 67 Series IIa with > British paltes on the front and a roof rack. Faded green and doing 60. Who > was this. It was a bit battered but looked great. > Mark [ 19 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jun 23 22:11:57 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5O2BvF8005176 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:11:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5O2Bv1Q005175 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:11:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:11:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200406240211.i5O2BuVG005171@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: cirvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Livermore Land Rover, Service? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...there's a LR dealer in Livermore now???? When did this happen? Charles -----Original message----- From: "Lance Doyle" ldoyle@mobitelinc.com Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 05:33:35 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Livermore Land Rover, Service? > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ Included Original Message ] > [ 24 lines filtered. ] > Chris, > > I have had my first routine service plus a few misc. warranty items > taken care of at Land Rover Livermore. They seem fair and have always > taken care of me. Don't know how they would handle anything beyond [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jun 23 23:36:46 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5O3akF8008677 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:36:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5O3akZA008676 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:36:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:36:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200406240336.i5O3akop008672@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Millie is Gone... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, Well it's done, I traded Millie for a $13,350 cashiers check and William and I dropped her off at Tn'T Auto Transport. It was very sad. William wanted to take one last ride in the "Wover" and Mom followed behind in the XD. I took the car seat out of Millie and after the inspection they drove her into the garage and William started crying. He almost made me loose it when he asked "are we going to see the Gween Wover anymore?" "Is some else going to have our keys?" "I just want the Gween Wover" and with that he started crying. Things got much better when we found the coke and candy machines. I promised him that the White Rover (Dormobile ) is his and we'll start fixing it now. Cheers, Keith & Pam Shukait 1997 Land Rover Discovery XD "YLLWJKT" 1967 Land Rover Series IIA NADA 6 Cylinder Dormobile "Indiana" From bens Thu Jun 24 09:32:28 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5ODWSF8002022 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:32:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5ODWSAY002021 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:32:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:32:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200406241332.i5ODWRow002017@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: cirvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Millie is Gone... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Keith, just make sure that you start on "White Wover" soon - kids tend to remember stuff like that. Charles - who saw his first Wover at age 6 & always wanted one - and now has a yard full of 'em! -----Original message----- From: Keith Shukait shukait@mac.com Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 20:36:46 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Millie is Gone... > > All, > > Well it's done, I traded Millie for a $13,350 cashiers check and > William and I dropped her off at Tn'T Auto Transport. It was very sad. > William wanted to take one last ride in the "Wover" and Mom followed > behind in the XD. I took the car seat out of Millie and after the > inspection they drove her into the garage and William started crying. > He almost made me loose it when he asked "are we going to see the Gween [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jun 24 10:18:38 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5OEIbF8003795 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:18:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5OEIbPY003794 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:18:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:18:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200406241418.i5OEIbvi003790@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: Series III water pump bolt Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I broke off one of the little bolts that hold on the water pump. I was able to get the stub out. Now what kind of bolt is this? Can I just go to OSH? -Rob From bens Thu Jun 24 12:43:27 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5OGhRF8009601 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:43:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5OGhRxF009600 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:43:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:43:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200406241643.i5OGhQPC009596@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: tomw To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series III water pump bolt Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I would think its just a matter of matching the bolt size, thread pitch and generally the material type ( corrosion issues ) and grade.. Orchard has save my butt countless times. TomW On Thu, 2004-06-24 at 07:18, Kerner, Rob wrote: > I broke off one of the little bolts that hold on the water pump. I was > able to get the stub out. Now what kind of bolt is this? Can I just go > to OSH? > > -Rob -- TomW From bens Thu Jun 24 12:59:01 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5OGx0F8010193 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:59:01 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5OGx0Gc010192 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:59:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:59:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200406241659.i5OGx0fv010188@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Rose, Randy" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Series III water pump bolt Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rob, I seem to remember the water pump fixings were US coarse thread, the only exception to the rule that all threads in steel were fine, all in aluminum were coarse. Maybe because coarse threads would be less inclined to seize up, in general that is. So try 1/4-20 from OSH. Randy R > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org] > On Behalf Of Kerner, Rob > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 7:19 AM > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: Series III water pump bolt > > > I broke off one of the little bolts that hold on the water pump. I was > able to get the stub out. Now what kind of bolt is this? Can I just go > to OSH? [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jun 24 13:43:19 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5OHhJF8012072 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:43:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5OHhJLZ012071 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:43:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:43:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200406241743.i5OHhIw3012067@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Part Wanted Please. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Does anyone have a lower alternator bracket for a 1988 Range Rover? Also, even when it was not cracked (which mine is and which is why I need another) the Alternator seems badly mounted. Does anyone a have a digital picture of a correctly mounted alternator? Thanks. Mark Pilkington From bens Thu Jun 24 16:04:51 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5OK4pF8017749 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:04:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5OK4p0J017748 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:04:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:04:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200406242004.i5OK4p1E017744@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Chris De Jesus" To: "Mendo Recce" Subject: RRC Parts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 24 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" Mark, There is someone named Garnet parting out a 1990 and a 1995 RRC on = the NCRC site. He may have the alternator bracket you are looking, if = the RRC models match up. Hope this helps. Good luck, Chris D. Mudy_ovl From bens Thu Jun 24 17:52:15 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5OLqFF8022447 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:52:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5OLqFXO022446 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:52:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:52:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200406242152.i5OLqF7H022442@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: hipine@att.net To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series III water pump bolt Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...I would think its just a matter of matching the bolt size, thread pitch and generally the material type ..." Well, YEAH! :^) I don't know how well the reliability of my memory matches up with Randy's :^) But I seem to remember the water pump bolts being 5/16, and also that 5/16 is one of the sizes where the brit starndard pitches were a little different from SAE. Like they're 5/16-20 instead of 18 or 24, or something like that. So DEFINITELY take an old bolt with you to the hardware store. One that you know threads easily into the hole you have in the block. Clean the bolt threads up really well before you go. When you get to the hardware store, the first thing to do is to find a NUT that spins easily (minimal if any torque at all - this is why you cleaned the bolt) onto the bolt you have. Then find a new bolt of the same length and thread length that also accepts the matching nut you found. Using the mating nut is a little more fool-proof than just trying to lay threads side by side. Good luck! -Dave G. From bens Thu Jun 24 18:10:13 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5OMADF8023210 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:10:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5OMADwK023209 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:10:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:10:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200406242210.i5OMACYk023205@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: RRC Parts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks, I'll have a look ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris De Jesus" To: "Mendo Recce" Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:04 PM Subject: RRC Parts From bens Thu Jun 24 21:04:36 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5P14aF8030402 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:04:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5P14a3u030401 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:04:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:04:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200406250104.i5P14a6l030397@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: cirvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series III water pump bolt Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org When you replace the water pump, put a thin layer of teflon tape on the threads on the bolts (wrap them once): this makes 'em easy to remove next time. Charles -----Original message----- From: hipine@att.net Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:52:15 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series III water pump bolt > > "...I would think its just a matter of matching the bolt size, thread pitch and generally the material type ..." > > Well, YEAH! :^) > > I don't know how well the reliability of my memory matches up with Randy's :^) But I seem to remember the water pump bolts being 5/16, and also that 5/16 is one of the sizes where the brit starndard pitches were a little different from SAE. Like they're 5/16-20 instead of 18 or 24, or something like that. > > So DEFINITELY take an old bolt with you to the hardware store. One that you know threads easily into the hole you have in the block. Clean the bolt threads up really well before you go. When you get to the hardware store, the first thing to do is to find a NUT that spins easily (minimal if any torque at all - this is why you cleaned the bolt) onto the bolt you have. Then find a new bolt of the same length and thread length that also accepts the matching nut you found. Using the mating nut is a little more fool-proof than just trying to lay threads side by side. > [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jun 25 00:02:46 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5P42kF8005200 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 00:02:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5P42kkN005199 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 00:02:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 00:02:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200406250402.i5P42jPC005195@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: tomw To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series III water pump bolt Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Thu, 2004-06-24 at 14:52, hipine@att.net wrote: > "...I would think its just a matter of matching the bolt size, thread pitch and generally the material type ..." > > Well, YEAH! :^) > Like.... he asked.... if it could be had at Orchard as if it may be some kind of uobtanium material with the special voodoo thread. I merely was stating its a normal bolt with a thread not to much unlike many of thousands that could be found at Orchard. In other words, get your arse down to the store with the bloody bolt and match the bleedin threads :) Your only concern if you choose to worry about it, is its an aluminium block and probably a steel bolt, anodization may happen, but live with it cus short of some zinc anti sieze their ain't mutch your gonna do about it! I left out the painfully detailed story about bringing a micrometer to determine thread pitch and depth, or the: lets play the match the nuts and bolts game ( wich is sure to raise the attention of every undercover store security guard in the place as they think your trying to steal a 5 cent nut, its fun to mess with them, as there are more of them in the store than actual workers...( next time ask one of them where stuff is just for kicks :) ). Rob has how many rovers now ( at least two ) and he usually fixes them himself.... I was sure he'd work it out once he determined, that yes he could go to Orchard and "find" one! TomW... apparently being vague at first by accident , then being a pain in the arse on purpose! :) From bens Fri Jun 25 00:19:42 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5P4JfF8007066 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 00:19:41 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5P4JfjY007065 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 00:19:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 00:19:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200406250419.i5P4Je7s007061@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series III water pump bolt Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > threads :) Your only concern if you choose to worry about it, is its an > aluminium block and probably a steel bolt, anodization may happen, but > uh, 2.25 series 3. big lump of iron. > > TomW... then being a pain > in the arse on purpose! :) me too, me too. John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby", 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2000 custom fixed gear (I built the frame), 2002 Merlin Extra Fat, 2004 Steve Rex (done!) ours: 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Fri Jun 25 01:02:10 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5P52AF8009303 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 01:02:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5P52AG6009302 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 01:02:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 01:02:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200406250502.i5P52A1h009298@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: tomw To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series III water pump bolt Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > uh, 2.25 series 3. big lump of iron. > > > > TomW... then being a pain > > in the arse on purpose! :) > me too, me too. > John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us oops your right John! it is Iron, I thought he was talking the rangie! ( I meant, your right, your being a pain in the arse :) we already knew a series motor ain't Al. Then... NO! NO! Don't go to Orchard, even if it "looks" like the right bolt, and actually seems to fit.... ITS THE WRONG ONE! I'm afraid you will have to write the Queen and ask for the bolt. Parliment will meet, if your lucky and you have gained knighthood then its probably a no brainer! However if you are a mere comoner ( god forbid ), then you must: A) slay a dragon or B) Bring me a shrubbery Your choice! TomW :) Oh and its probably a bloody whitworth to make matters worse! TomW From bens Fri Jun 25 09:38:27 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5PDcRF8029721 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:38:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5PDcRqa029720 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:38:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:38:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200406251338.i5PDcQSh029716@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: Series III water pump bolt Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Come on Tom keep up. Water pump on Regent, Joe lucas/air conditioning on RR. Brakes and steering on Morris. The only fully functional vehicle is the 2003 Toyota Highlander, and the 1989 Yamaha XT350. Lucky I ride my bike to work. -Rob From bens Fri Jun 25 10:11:42 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5PEBfF8031106 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:11:42 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5PEBfxC031105 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:11:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:11:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200406251411.i5PEBfkd031101@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Bob and Sue B To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Series III water pump bolt Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Rob, I haven't been paying a lot of attention to the recent stuff, but if you are in need of a water pump bolt, I should have some. What is the total length? Bob B At 09:38 AM 6/25/2004 -0400, you wrote: > Come on Tom keep up. > >Water pump on Regent, Joe lucas/air conditioning on RR. Brakes and >steering on Morris. The only fully functional vehicle is the 2003 >Toyota Highlander, and the 1989 Yamaha XT350. Lucky I ride my bike to >work. > >-Rob From bens Fri Jun 25 10:18:35 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5PEIZF8031326 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:18:35 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5PEIZx8031325 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:18:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:18:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200406251418.i5PEIYXV031321@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: Series III water pump bolt Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks, Bob, I'll measure it when I get home. It is the smallest (4) bolts that go on the water pump. -Rob >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Rob, I haven't been paying a lot of attention to the recent stuff, but if you are in need of a water pump bolt, I should have some. What is the total length? Bob B From bens Fri Jun 25 10:23:01 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5PEN1F8031544 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:23:01 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5PEN1U7031543 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:23:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:23:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200406251423.i5PEN1s5031539@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: tomw To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Series III water pump bolt Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 06:38, Kerner, Rob wrote: > Come on Tom keep up. > Water pump on Regent, Joe lucas/air conditioning on RR. Brakes and > steering on Morris. The only fully functional vehicle is the 2003 > Toyota Highlander, and the 1989 Yamaha XT350. Lucky I ride my bike to > work. > -Rob I still don't get why you need a water pump on your bike? But yes the bolts are at Orchard for it! -- TomW From bens Fri Jun 25 15:20:49 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5PJKnF8011204 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:20:49 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5PJKneJ011203 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:20:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:20:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200406251920.i5PJKnab011199@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RR Parts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was looking for parts for the Range Rover, and had forgotten about http://www.motorcarsltd.com/. They had some really good deals, some soso deals, and some not so good deals. But worth checking out. A new air conditioning compressor was $409, and fuel injectors were $55, and a cv for my 94 RR was $154. -Rob From bens Fri Jun 25 15:25:26 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5PJPQF8011413 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:25:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5PJPQQe011412 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:25:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:25:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200406251925.i5PJPQ2o011408@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Bob and Sue B To: "Kerner, Rob" Cc: Subject: RE: Series III water pump bolt Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rob, The short ones I see are studs that come through the pump body to the timing cover. They are 1/4 dia.course thread probably 20. (!/4-20) There are longer ones that go all the way through to the block that are 5/16 dia. fine thread probably (5/16-28). Those studs were probably bolts on some engines, maybe newer ones. Bob B At 10:18 AM 6/25/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Thanks, Bob, I'll measure it when I get home. It is the smallest (4) >bolts that go on the water pump. > >-Rob > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >Hey Rob, >I haven't been paying a lot of attention to the recent stuff, but if you >are in need of a water pump bolt, I should have some. What is the total [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jun 25 15:54:46 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5PJskF8012457 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:54:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5PJskEa012456 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:54:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:54:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200406251954.i5PJskpG012452@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: hipine@att.net To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Series III water pump bolt Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....There are longer ones that go all the way through to the block that are 5/16 dia. fine thread probably (5/16-28)...." Those must be the ones I was thinking of. That's where you'll run afoul of British Standards, as the Unified Ntional standard for fine thread pitch (UNF) in 5/16 is 24 tpi. If you go to the local hardware store you'll find UNF (5/16-24) and not likely BSF (5/16-28). But it sounds like the question is moot here as Rob seems to be after the 1/4-20s which should be easy to find locally. And regarding Charles' comment on Teflon tape, it's more difficult to use on straight threads and tends to get stripped away as you're screwing in the bolt, leaving nothing working in the threads. It works best on tapered pipe threads where the tape can be in between the threads before the threads start to squeeze together. For water pump bolts on the 2.25D I always smeared the threads (and the gasket too for that matter) with a little Hylomar HPF (blue). That kept them leak-free and easy to remove. Something like blue loctite would work too if you could get the threads clean enough for it to do it's job. That's the beauty of the HPF, it seals right through the presence of oil, water, antifreeze, gasoline, whatever. -Dave G. From bens Fri Jun 25 19:53:12 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5PNrCF8022254 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 19:53:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5PNrCoR022253 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 19:53:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 19:53:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200406252353.i5PNrBeO022249@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "joshua fischer" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1380 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi everybody! New to the list, and have so many questions buzzing around in my little head, I just don't know where to start. First, I just bought a 1997 Discovery SD with a 5 spd. I used to own a 1960 series II 88" SW. It was my daily driver for about 5 years. Couldn't afford it anymore, so had to sell it. Now I'm back and I can't wait to modify my Disco. So far I have only made some 2" spring spacers. Now I'm trying to figure out an ideal tire size. I have seen 235/85-16's but heard they are way too big from Mike at WCB. Any thoughts/ experiences? Planning on going on the Blue lakes trip. First trip with the club in about 7 years. What can I expect? Thank you all for your patience with the "new guy". Please e-mail me direct, because I'm still on the digest list. It would be quicker. Thanks again, Josh Fischer jfischer160@hotmail.com (408)829-2512 _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From bens Fri Jun 25 22:40:52 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5Q2eqF8028908 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:40:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5Q2eqt9028907 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:40:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:40:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200406260240.i5Q2ep94028903@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Land Rover Onlife Magazine Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Did anyone else get the glossy Land Rover "Onelife" magazine in the mail? In addition to a section on the new LR3 (that I like) and the Range Stormer (that I don't like) there was an article on Nick's Drive Around the Word trip (without any mention of Nick). Kevin From bens Sat Jun 26 14:52:57 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5QIqvF8003810 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 14:52:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5QIqvNB003809 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 14:52:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 14:52:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200406261852.i5QIquat003805@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series III water pump bolt Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 25 lines filtered. ] > even if it "looks" like the right bolt, and > Specially, if it is close enough to fit, but deforms threads as it enters, and cost a large bag o' cash to remove, cus it was 5/16" -20 tpi instead of the 5/16"-24 tpi that the original machinist wanted to go into the hole. Then the block is buggered. Buggered. Nice term, but not particularly pleasant sounding to our brethren. I think of them occasionally and modify my tone. Zack From bens Sat Jun 26 15:49:36 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5QJnaF8006004 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 15:49:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5QJnaHj006003 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 15:49:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 15:49:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200406261949.i5QJnaDq005999@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Miles Mulcare To: Subject: Re: Does anyone know about those new Fram "Air Hog" filters? Is Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Does anyone know about those new Fram "Air Hog" filters? Is there one available for a 1995 NAS Discovery? Please email me direct. MILES From bens Sat Jun 26 21:44:54 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5R1isF8019866 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:44:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5R1isqU019865 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:44:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:44:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200406270144.i5R1irxX019858@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Milford Erwin" To: "Bens" Subject: Super-discounts on Cialis and other drugs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 212 lines filtered. ] ----8386725969443077986 From bens Sun Jun 27 01:36:23 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5R5aMF8030732 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 01:36:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5R5aMSc030731 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 01:36:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 01:36:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200406270536.i5R5aMRE030727@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: tomw To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Super-discounts on Cialis and other drugs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ugh, more spam. Hey Ben it looks like the are really hitting on trying to use your name, to send this stuff. I bet you could put something in your signature and have the list check its there if the from name is from you ( or in this case the name is incorrect but it has your E-mail addr in the from field. or check the authen field.. or have checksum based off a daily changing field that is stored on your machine but not in the E-mail.. Or we could hunt them down and skin them alive and roast them over an open fire like the dirty pigs they are :) I mean, if it bothers you, or not :) TomW On Sat, 2004-06-26 at 18:44, Milford Erwin wrote: > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; ] > [ 212 lines filtered. ] > ----8386725969443077986 -- TomW From bens Sun Jun 27 13:20:56 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5RHKuF8030567 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 13:20:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5RHKuTM030566 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 13:20:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 13:20:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200406271720.i5RHKt66030562@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: cirvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Strange days... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks - you'll never guess what I bought today... 1975 Range Rover 2-door!!!!!!!! White, gray interior. Price: $1.00!!!!! Well...it's a Matchbox toy, but it is a 1975 "made in England" model, and I got it along with a couple of DeTomaso Pantera race cars, a Dino 246, a Ford Transit with Highway Patrol markings(!), and a "General Lee", all for the same price. Picked them up at the local flee market, along with a Delta Electric lantern that I got for $5.00 (looks to be an old mining lantern from the 1950's-1960's, and is in most excellent condition). There IS a slight chance that I'll make the Blue Lakes trip: have had no luck getting cheap insurance on the Series rigs (the folks I had with the Rangie dropped me because I got rid of the Rangie - seems they covered the Series rigs to be nice), but GEICO sent me something in the mail on Friday, so I'll call 'em up & see what they have to say. So far, every classic car insurer I've talked to either won't cover the Series rigs because they're 4x4's, or because I drive them too much! Any other companies want more than I paid for them! Anyway - I'm gonna bite the bullet & call about a TR4A/IRS that I saw for sale: not what I'd like to get, but... Charles - who really, REALLY, needs my "garage" to be finished like, soon... From bens Sun Jun 27 22:32:50 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5S2WnF8020210 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:32:49 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5S2Wn54020209 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:32:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:32:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200406280232.i5S2WnVx020205@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: clutch fluid reservoir for postage Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've got a series 2a combo brake/clutch fluid reservoir with lid up for grabs. The brake line was brazed shut because I upgraded the Dormie to series 3 power brakes, but the clutch reservoir seems intact. You email me back and agree to pay postage, it's yours, otherwise, trash can. Oh it's a Dormobile item, really rare. cheers, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby", 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2000 custom fixed gear (I built the frame), 2002 Merlin Extra Fat, 2004 Steve Rex (done!) ours: 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Mon Jun 28 10:51:54 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5SEpsF8019201 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:51:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5SEpsJ8019200 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:51:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:51:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200406281451.i5SEpsUE019195@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Bob and Sue B To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cc: "Kerner, Rob" Subject: RE: Series III water pump bolt Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rob, I never heard back from you, Did you buy something locally? Or do you need one still? Bob B At 10:18 AM 6/25/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Thanks, Bob, I'll measure it when I get home. It is the smallest (4) >bolts that go on the water pump. > >-Rob > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >Hey Rob, >I haven't been paying a lot of attention to the recent stuff, but if you >are in need of a water pump bolt, I should have some. What is the total [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Jun 28 10:52:51 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5SEqpF8019233 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:52:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5SEqpEA019232 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:52:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:52:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200406281452.i5SEqouR019225@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Jennie Ayala" To: "Bens" Subject: Need phentermine or other drugs - Purchase here online Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 211 lines filtered. ] ----274518507550425 From bens Mon Jun 28 13:06:57 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5SH6vF8025594 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:06:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5SH6vlr025593 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:06:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:06:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200406281706.i5SH6uZi025589@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Super-discounts on Cialis and other drugs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200406270536.i5R5aMRE030727@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org>you wrote: > Ugh, more spam. I saw that. 2nd one with the same format in a week. > Hey Ben it looks like the are really hitting on trying to use your name, > to send this stuff. I bet you could put something in your signature and > have the list check its there if the from name is from you ( or in this > case the name is incorrect but it has your E-mail addr in the from > field. That fix is now in. ;-) Let's see if this keeps them out for a while. I'm thinking of breaking out my addresses on a per list or per web page bases to see where the spam is originating from. > Or we could hunt them down and skin them alive and roast them over an > open fire like the dirty pigs they are :) I think everyone would like that. Ben From bens Mon Jun 28 16:09:59 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5SK9xF8000806 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 16:09:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5SK9xC3000805 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 16:09:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 16:09:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200406282009.i5SK9xeE000801@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: Series III water pump bolt Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ application/ms-tnef; ] [ 83 lines filtered. ] charset="utf-8" U29ycnksIEJvYiwgSSB0aG91Z2h0IHlvdSBwb3N0ZWQgdGhhdCB5b3UgaGFkIHN0dWRzLiAgSSBk byBuZWVkIG9uZSBsZXQgbWUgcnVuIG91dCBhbmQgbWVhc3VyZSBpdC4gIDEuMS80IGNvdXJzZSB0 aHJlYWQuIA0KIA0KTGV0IG1lIGtub3cgb3RoZXJ3aXNlIEknbGwgY2FsbCBCUA0KIA0KLVJvYg0K IA0KIA0KIA0KDQoJLS0tLS1PcmlnaW5hbCBNZXNzYWdlLS0tLS0gDQoJRnJvbTogb3duZXItbWVu ZG9fcmVjY2VAZm91cmZvbGQub3JnIG9uIGJlaGFsZiBvZiBCb2IgYW5kIFN1ZSBCIA0KCVNlbnQ6 IE1vbiA2LzI4LzIwMDQgNzo1MSBBTSANCglUbzogbWVuZG9fcmVjY2VAZm91cmZvbGQub3JnIA0K CUNjOiBLZXJuZXIsIFJvYiANCglTdWJqZWN0OiBSRTogU2VyaWVzIElJSSB3YXRlciBwdW1wIGJv bHQNCgkNCgkNCg0KDQoJUm9iLA0KCUkgbmV2ZXIgaGVhcmQgYmFjayBmcm9tIHlvdSwgRGlkIHlv dSBidXkgc29tZXRoaW5nIGxvY2FsbHk/IE9yIGRvIHlvdSBuZWVkDQoJb25lIHN0aWxsPw0KCQ0K CUJvYiBCDQoJDQoJQXQgMTA6MTggQU0gNi8yNS8yMDA0IC0wNDAwLCB5b3Ugd3JvdGU6DQoJDQoJ DQoJPlRoYW5rcywgQm9iLCBJJ2xsIG1lYXN1cmUgaXQgd2hlbiBJIGdldCBob21lLiAgSXQgaXMg dGhlIHNtYWxsZXN0ICg0KQ0KCT5ib2x0cyB0aGF0IGdvIG9uIHRoZSB3YXRlciBwdW1wLg0KCT4N Cgk+LVJvYg0KCT4gPj4+Pj4+Pj4+Pj4+Pj4+Pj4+Pj4+DQoJPg0KCT5IZXkgUm9iLA0KCT5JIGhh dmVuJ3QgYmVlbiBwYXlpbmcgYSBsb3Qgb2YgYXR0ZW50aW9uIHRvIHRoZSByZWNlbnQgc3R1ZmYs IGJ1dCBpZiB5b3UNCgk+YXJlIGluIG5lZWQgb2YgYSB3YXRlciBwdW1wIGJvbHQsIEkgc2hvdWxk IGhhdmUgc29tZS4gV2hhdCBpcyB0aGUgdG90YWwNCgkgIFsgMyBhZGRpdGlvbmFsIHF1b3RlZCBs aW5lcyBwcnVuZWQuIF0NCgkNCgkNCgkNCg0K From bens Mon Jun 28 18:30:45 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5SMUjF8006697 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:30:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5SMUjk1006696 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:30:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:30:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200406282230.i5SMUi0M006692@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Alan Giblin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Does anyone know about those new Fram "Air Hog" filters? Is Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Miles, I don't think that they are better than the K&N's. Just my .02 Alan >Does anyone know about those new Fram "Air Hog" filters? Is there one >available for a 1995 NAS Discovery? > >Please email me direct. > >MILES > > From bens Mon Jun 28 19:24:49 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5SNOnF8008978 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:24:49 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5SNOnJp008977 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:24:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:24:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200406282324.i5SNOnfB008973@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo rec list Subject: Free T-shirts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I seem to have ended up with a collection of t-shirts I do not wear wadded up in a bottom drawer. I've decided they have to go to make space for something I actually do wear. Price is my cost to get them to you (So please be far away and ask me to deliver them by Land Rover), or conversely you can drop by and pick them up. Size is Men's XL Here's what I have: 1. Round the World 1999 Rover Ranch Work Party (has small pictures of both Nick's Dormis) 2. Billing 96 (A RHD 88 & sun face, well you would have to see it) 3. Land Rover 50th Anniversary LROA (I think that was the last official LROA event) 4. Empire Rover Owners Society (With big colour LRO mail list logo on back) 5. Land Rover best 4X4 X far (sort of a yellowish gray, all others white) Anyway if no one wants them they become rags for cleaning the TR3A. So let me know if you are interested. Also don't forget I still have a pair of rare 109 two door hard top sides with windows to sell (too long to ship). TeriAnn From bens Mon Jun 28 19:24:53 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5SNOrF8008988 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:24:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5SNOrnM008987 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:24:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:24:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200406282324.i5SNOqxE008983@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo rec list Subject: test-please do not reply Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org please do not reply From bens Mon Jun 28 21:20:40 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5T1KeF8013705 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:20:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5T1Ke3n013704 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:20:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:20:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200406290120.i5T1KdE5013700@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo \(E-mail\)" Subject: need LR mechanic referral Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A friend in the Santa Ynez Valley (N. Santa Barbara county) has some carb/fuel/stalling issues with his 88 (Olivia in Los Olivos) that he can't seem to figure out, and is looking for a good Brit mechanic in his area. Does anyone have any referrals? Thanks, Blair -------------------------------------------------------- This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information intended for the specific individual or entity addressed, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient you must not disseminate, forward, print or copy it in any form or take any action or reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message or by calling +1 510-844-3000. Thank you. -------------------------------------------------------- From bens Mon Jun 28 21:21:23 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5T1LNF8013718 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:21:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5T1LNio013717 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:21:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:21:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200406290121.i5T1LNtH013713@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Bob and Sue B To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Series III water pump bolt Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well I couldn't understand that! Bob B At 04:09 PM 6/28/2004 -0400, you wrote: > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ application/ms-tnef; ] > [ 83 lines filtered. ] > > charset="utf-8" > >U29ycnksIEJvYiwgSSB0aG91Z2h0IHlvdSBwb3N0ZWQgdGhhdCB5b3UgaGFkIHN0dWRzLiAgSSBk >byBuZWVkIG9uZSBsZXQgbWUgcnVuIG91dCBhbmQgbWVhc3VyZSBpdC4gIDEuMS80IGNvdXJzZSB0 >aHJlYWQuIA0KIA0KTGV0IG1lIGtub3cgb3RoZXJ3aXNlIEknbGwgY2FsbCBCUA0KIA0KLVJvYg0K [ 14 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Jun 28 21:47:49 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5T1lnF8014810 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:47:49 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5T1lnrn014809 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:47:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:47:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200406290147.i5T1lmq3014805@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: cirvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Super-discounts on Cialis and other drugs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ah yes - a particular David Bowie song comes into mind: "...and I'll be putting out the fire - with gasoline!" :) Charles -----Original message----- From: Benjamin Smith bens@fourfold.org Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:06:57 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Super-discounts on Cialis and other drugs > > Or we could hunt them down and skin them alive and roast them over an > > open fire like the dirty pigs they are :) > > I think everyone would like that. > > Ben From bens Mon Jun 28 21:50:27 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5T1oRF8015030 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:50:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5T1oRKM015029 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:50:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:50:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200406290150.i5T1oR0H015025@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: cirvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Series III water pump bolt Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It happens sometimes: you drink too much, and start speaking jibberish! :) Charles -----Original message----- From: Bob and Sue B bobnsueb@saber.net Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:21:23 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Series III water pump bolt > > Well I couldn't understand that! > > Bob B > > At 04:09 PM 6/28/2004 -0400, you wrote: > > > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Jun 28 23:20:11 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5T3KBF8019066 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 23:20:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5T3KBNd019065 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 23:20:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 23:20:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200406290320.i5T3KA4E019061@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo rec list Subject: T-shirts gone Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The T-shirts are spoken for. Drat the first reply didn't ask me to deliver them via MOAB. I could use a free trip about now. TeriAnn From bens Mon Jun 28 23:22:04 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5T3M4F8019176 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 23:22:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5T3M3Bs019172 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 23:22:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 23:22:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200406290322.i5T3M3ad019167@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: tomw To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Super-discounts on Cialis and other drugs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Mon, 2004-06-28 at 18:47, cirvin wrote: > Ah yes - a particular David Bowie song comes into mind: > > "...and I'll be putting out the fire - with gasoline!" > > :) > > Charles Well I'm sure I could find a match and an apple for the rotissarie :) > -----Original message----- > From: Benjamin Smith bens@fourfold.org > > > Or we could hunt them down and skin them alive and roast them over an > > > open fire like the dirty pigs they are :) > > > > I think everyone would like that. > > > > Ben -- TomW From bens Tue Jun 29 02:05:33 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5T65XF8027292 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 02:05:33 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5T65Xpm027291 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 02:05:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 02:05:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200406290605.i5T65XdZ027287@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: cirvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cc: gambrinus67@comcast.net, Bryan_Dahn@bausa.com Subject: Learning to crawl (ie: watch out world!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks, A warning to you all: Janet was recently awarded a stock of blinds...she bid on them as a result of a bankruptcy that took place in San Diego. We've got the ENTIRE store - blinds, pallet racks, cutting machines, desks, coffee makers, water coolers - the whole lot. (the racking is MINE for my new garage...it's said to be 16' tall - as is my ceiling) Catch is - it's all gotta be outta there by Thursday, and her usual trucking company (Swift...how 'bout that - I worked for them in 2000!) can't even think about getting a trailer to her in San Diego until this time next month! So, we decided (when she realized that I did get my new medical card) to call a few people, and, well, she's dropping me off at Ryder tomorrow morning, to pick up a tractor & a 48' trailer, and I'm driving it down myself! note: I haven't driven a rig in nearly 3 years...nor have I filled out any logbook pages. I just finished the current months' logbook per CHP's requirements (I called & got the current info, as there was an hours of service rules change that took effect this year), and so long as I can remember to watch out for low flying tree branches & double clutch in all gears, I should be fine. So, for the next few days, I'll be watching out for Land Rovers, and low flying British Airways planes that are landing at Lindberg field. Charles From bens Tue Jun 29 09:34:15 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5TDYFF8013162 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 09:34:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5TDYFxB013161 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 09:34:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 09:34:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200406291334.i5TDYEk1013157@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kerner, Rob" To: , Subject: RE: Series III water pump bolt Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 31 lines filtered. ] Sorry, always forget that something about my Exchange outlook web access format that Bens server doesn't like. Anyway yes Bob I need an 1 1/4 course thread water pump bolt. From your email earlier, I thought that you only had studs. -Rob From bens Tue Jun 29 10:50:46 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5TEokF8016522 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:50:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5TEokG6016520 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:50:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:50:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200406291450.i5TEokQB016516@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: need LR mechanic referral Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org BCB Offroad in Paso Robles are the Land Rover Gurus. 805 - 237 - 0738 Timm or Mat. A friend in the Santa Ynez Valley (N. Santa Barbara county) has some carb/fuel/stalling issues with his 88 (Olivia in Los Olivos) that he can't seem to figure out, and is looking for a good Brit mechanic in his area. Does anyone have any referrals? > > Thanks, > Blair > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] proprietary and privileged information intended for the specific individual or entity addressed, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient you must not disseminate, forward, print or copy it in any form or take any action or reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message or by calling +1 510-844-3000. > > Thank you. > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jun 29 11:05:25 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5TF5OF8017244 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:05:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5TF5OXv017236 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:05:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:05:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200406291505.i5TF5NUL017229@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: need LR mechanic referral Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org How far is Paso Robles from Santa Ynez Valley? I would think Matt at BCB may be of assistance. >>> BPeterson@InterAsset.com 06/28/04 06:20PM >>> A friend in the Santa Ynez Valley (N. Santa Barbara county) has some carb/fuel/stalling issues with his 88 (Olivia in Los Olivos) that he can't seem to figure out, and is looking for a good Brit mechanic in his area. Does anyone have any referrals? Thanks, Blair -------------------------------------------------------- This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information intended for the specific individual or entity addressed, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient you must not disseminate, forward, print or copy it in any form or take any action or reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message or by calling +1 510-844-3000. Thank you. -------------------------------------------------------- From bens Tue Jun 29 11:16:51 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5TFGoF8017721 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:16:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5TFGo30017720 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:16:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:16:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200406291516.i5TFGoNj017716@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo \(E-mail\)" Subject: Re: need LR mechanic referral Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Eric and Mark, Thanks for the referral-- I should have thought of that! The friend in question actually has a business (a brewery) in Paso Robles, so that sure is a no-brainer! I just hope for his wallet's sake it doesn't go in with a stumbling 2.25L and come out with a roaring 350 V8! Cheers, Blair -------------------------------------------------------- This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information intended for the specific individual or entity addressed, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient you must not disseminate, forward, print or copy it in any form or take any action or reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message or by calling +1 510-844-3000. Thank you. -------------------------------------------------------- From bens Tue Jun 29 11:37:17 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5TFbHF8018634 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:37:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5TFbHc6018633 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:37:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:37:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200406291537.i5TFbHgj018629@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: need LR mechanic referral Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I just hope for his wallet's sake it doesn't go in with a stumbling > 2.25L and come out with a roaring 350 V8! Ah but he would be a smiling pauper. TeriAnn From bens Tue Jun 29 11:56:32 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5TFuWF8019587 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:56:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5TFuWFA019586 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:56:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:56:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200406291556.i5TFuV8a019582@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: need LR mechanic referral Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Erm.....!! that is a risk that he must be prepared to take at BCB. I went in there with garlic and other items to ward off the call of the V8 and it still got me. By the way, remember how I thought that my Series IIa was "finished" a few weeks ago. Well since then I have made and fitted a rather nice roll cage in preparation for Blue Lakes. They are never "finished", it is just that the jobs become less essential to make it run............!! Eric and Mark, Thanks for the referral-- I should have thought of that! The friend in question actually has a business (a brewery) in Paso Robles, so that sure is a no-brainer! I just hope for his wallet's sake it doesn't go in with a stumbling 2.25L and come out with a roaring 350 V8! Cheers, Blair From bens Tue Jun 29 12:26:24 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5TGQOF8020894 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:26:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5TGQOYE020893 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:26:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:26:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200406291626.i5TGQOiN020889@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: need LR mechanic referral Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I give him maybe an hour. Then his 2.25 lump will be SO OVER. Then, he too, will know the meaning of "It's never over in a Rover". >>> BPeterson@InterAsset.com 06/29/04 08:16AM >>> Eric and Mark, Thanks for the referral-- I should have thought of that! The friend in question actually has a business (a brewery) in Paso Robles, so that sure is a no-brainer! I just hope for his wallet's sake it doesn't go in with a stumbling 2.25L and come out with a roaring 350 V8! Cheers, Blair -------------------------------------------------------- This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information intended for the specific individual or entity addressed, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient you must not disseminate, forward, print or copy it in any form or take any action or reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message or by calling +1 510-844-3000. Thank you. -------------------------------------------------------- From bens Tue Jun 29 12:29:42 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5TGTgF8020971 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:29:42 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5TGTgYO020970 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:29:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:29:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200406291629.i5TGTgla020966@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Tom Gross To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: [MENDO] an engine I have Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi everyone, A couple of years ago I bought a 6 cyl Chevy engine with Scotty's adapter from Russ Wilson. It sits in my garage waiting for someone to use it. I am hoping that I'll be moving a short distance to a new (to me) house in a month. Don't tell the engine, but I don't want it anymore. If you come and get it, it's yours, along with a genuine 6 cyl Rover bell housing, which you may or may not need. There is one contingency. You have to give the dolly it is sitting on back to Russ someday, although he may have forgotten about it until now. Tom Gross From bens Tue Jun 29 12:31:24 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5TGVOF8021206 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:31:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5TGVOh8021205 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:31:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:31:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200406291631.i5TGVOWM021201@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: need LR mechanic referral Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Garlic and silver availeth not against the truth. >>> BPeterson@InterAsset.com 06/29/04 08:16AM >>> Eric and Mark, Thanks for the referral-- I should have thought of that! The friend in question actually has a business (a brewery) in Paso Robles, so that sure is a no-brainer! I just hope for his wallet's sake it doesn't go in with a stumbling 2.25L and come out with a roaring 350 V8! Cheers, Blair -------------------------------------------------------- This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information intended for the specific individual or entity addressed, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient you must not disseminate, forward, print or copy it in any form or take any action or reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message or by calling +1 510-844-3000. Thank you. -------------------------------------------------------- From bens Tue Jun 29 13:14:20 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5THEKF8022933 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:14:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5THEKMP022932 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:14:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:14:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200406291714.i5THEJSm022928@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Disco Problems Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, The exhaust is shot. We take a lot of short trips working so close to home that when water builds up in the exhaust, it doesn't always burn off. The pipe joints are leaking and the muffler has 3 small holes near the inlet tube. Options... NRP system is $1431.00 it's the y pipes back. Y-pipes steel the rest stainless. Borla system is $599.95, it's the muffler back, all stainless Flowmaster $??? too loud, had one on the Jeep grand Cherokee. Stock - will just rust out again Replace the donuts and joint washers and weld up the holes? Anyone do any of the above and have any feedback? Did it cause any problems, did it fit correctly, waring lights, did you get a performance boost, dose it sound better than stock, better gas milage, less torque? I couldn't catch the "tech" fast enough when he was beating the underbody of the jeep with a 5lb hammer to make the flowmaster fit. Seems it was easier to beat the stuffing out of the car, than to use the pipe bender to make the fit right. Nice... The back door lock will not unlock all the way with the key fob, you have to use the key in the lock. Is there and adjustment or is it a part replacement? Thanks again, Keith & Pam Shukait 1997 Land Rover Discovery XD "YLLWJKT" 1967 Land Rover Series IIA NADA 6 Cylinder Dormobile "Indiana" From bens Tue Jun 29 13:33:28 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5THXSF8023825 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:33:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5THXSnU023824 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:33:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:33:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200406291733.i5THXS4k023820@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. need LR mechanic referral Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org He might give Moss Motors in Goleta (just over the hill) a call. They should know every Brit car repair place in SB County. Someone around there must know how to work on old LRs. Joe M '67 SIIA 109 SW '56 MGA '60 AH 3000 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:20:39 -0400 From: "Blair Peterson" Subject: need LR mechanic referral A friend in the Santa Ynez Valley (N. Santa Barbara county) has some carb/fuel/stalling issues with his 88 (Olivia in Los Olivos) that he can't seem to figure out, and is looking for a good Brit mechanic in his area. Does anyone have any referrals? Thanks, Blair __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From bens Tue Jun 29 14:03:01 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5TI30F8025154 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:03:01 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5TI306v025153 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:03:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:03:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200406291803.i5TI30qv025149@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: Disco Problems Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I had a complete custom exhaust built for a 1990 Range Rover from the manifolds back in bigger diameter and new cats at Marco Muffler in Sacramento. Total cost was $450 (Four hundred and fifty.) A Bargain. AND, the did it while I read a three year old Road and track magazine in the waiting room. Kind regards, Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Shukait" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 10:14 AM Subject: Disco Problems > > All, > > The exhaust is shot. We take a lot of short trips working so close to > home that when water builds up in the exhaust, it doesn't always burn > off. The pipe joints are leaking and the muffler has 3 small holes > near the inlet tube. Options... > > NRP system is $1431.00 it's the y pipes back. Y-pipes steel the rest [ 26 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jun 29 14:05:51 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5TI5pF8025354 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:05:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5TI5pq3025353 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:05:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:05:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200406291805.i5TI5pNw025349@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Disco Problems Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I would post to both the RN and Discoweb sites. I have seen extensive discussions concerning exhaust systems. You "could" post to Pirates, but you would get verbally pummeled, as they only talk about Dana 60's, Toy 3rd's, birfields, longfields, renfields, *spiders*, splines, and CV's vs. UJ's. >>> shukait@apple.com 06/29/04 10:14AM >>> All, The exhaust is shot. We take a lot of short trips working so close to home that when water builds up in the exhaust, it doesn't always burn off. The pipe joints are leaking and the muffler has 3 small holes near the inlet tube. Options... NRP system is $1431.00 it's the y pipes back. Y-pipes steel the rest stainless. Borla system is $599.95, it's the muffler back, all stainless Flowmaster $??? too loud, had one on the Jeep grand Cherokee. Stock - will just rust out again Replace the donuts and joint washers and weld up the holes? Anyone do any of the above and have any feedback? Did it cause any problems, did it fit correctly, waring lights, did you get a performance boost, dose it sound better than stock, better gas milage, less torque? I couldn't catch the "tech" fast enough when he was beating the underbody of the jeep with a 5lb hammer to make the flowmaster fit. Seems it was easier to beat the stuffing out of the car, than to use the pipe bender to make the fit right. Nice... The back door lock will not unlock all the way with the key fob, you have to use the key in the lock. Is there and adjustment or is it a part replacement? Thanks again, Keith & Pam Shukait 1997 Land Rover Discovery XD "YLLWJKT" 1967 Land Rover Series IIA NADA 6 Cylinder Dormobile "Indiana" From bens Tue Jun 29 14:09:53 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5TI9rF8025393 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:09:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5TI9roQ025392 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:09:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:09:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200406291809.i5TI9qBu025388@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Chris De Jesus" To: Subject: Re: Disco Problems Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Keith, I did some research for replacement exhaust systems a while back for 95 Disco. I contacted RPI in England about their SS complete system. The system included tubular manifolds (read headers) y-pipe, muffler, resonator and all mandrel bent tubing and necessary hardware. All made from SS. They will add the boss for Lambda probe (O2 sensors) on request. They don't include cats, but you can add those here. The total price, including shipping was around $900.00. Add about $200 more to have cats installed and you are still ahead of the NRP. Keep in mind, That cost is a few months old and has gone up because of the weaker dollar. You can contact RPI directly to get a more accurate cost. They suggested a new cylinder head stud kit to facilitate installation of the headers for an additional L18.00 (Pounds) Here is the link to the exhaust page: http://www.rpiv8.com/exhaust-3.htm Good luck, Chris DeJesus Mudy_ovl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Shukait" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 10:14 AM Subject: Disco Problems > > All, > > The exhaust is shot. We take a lot of short trips working so close to > home that when water builds up in the exhaust, it doesn't always burn > off. The pipe joints are leaking and the muffler has 3 small holes > near the inlet tube. Options... > > NRP system is $1431.00 it's the y pipes back. Y-pipes steel the rest [ 27 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jun 29 16:39:44 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5TKdhF8031931 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:39:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5TKdh6w031930 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:39:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:39:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200406292039.i5TKdh0Y031926@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Crocuta To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Sighting and for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello all, Yesterday in downtown Walnut Creek I saw a nice XD discovery..for sale. 7700$ if I remember correctly. I've seen it once before so if anyone is interested I can get the number for it. Have a good week all, -Marshall From bens Tue Jun 29 18:00:44 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5TM0iF8003359 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:00:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5TM0iAP003358 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:00:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:00:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200406292200.i5TM0hp3003354@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Jason Pipes" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sighting and for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Wow, $7700? That's pretty cheap! How XD was it? Just yellow and black or is it the entire nine yards of XD stickers and gear? Jason > > > Hello all, > Yesterday in downtown Walnut Creek I saw a nice XD discovery..for sale. > 7700$ if I remember correctly. > I've seen it once before so if anyone is interested I can get the number > for it. > Have a good week all, > -Marshall > > Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com From bens Tue Jun 29 18:13:18 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5TMDIF8003779 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:13:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5TMDIe2003778 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:13:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:13:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200406292213.i5TMDHWf003774@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Alan Giblin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Disco Problems Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Keith, Arent you in Santa Rosa? I thought I saw your XD the other day. If you are take it to Johnny Franklins, they did a great job. They put a flowmaster high perf Y and tucked the cats almost completely into the frame. They did a great job and it didnt cost too much. Contact me off list if you like. Alan >The exhaust is shot. We take a lot of short trips working so close to >home that when water builds up in the exhaust, it doesn't always burn >off. The pipe joints are leaking and the muffler has 3 small holes >near the inlet tube. Options... > >NRP system is $1431.00 it's the y pipes back. Y-pipes steel the rest >stainless. >Borla system is $599.95, it's the muffler back, all stainless >Flowmaster $??? too loud, had one on the Jeep grand Cherokee. [ 22 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jun 29 19:02:40 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5TN2eF8005771 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:02:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5TN2eeu005770 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:02:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:02:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200406292302.i5TN2eEG005766@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Sighting and for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I saw two in Monterey this last weekend. One was lifted at least 2 " and had the sand ladders and other paraphenalia(sp) up top. Quite impressive, I must say. >>> jpipes@feldgrau.com 06/29/04 03:00PM >>> Wow, $7700? That's pretty cheap! How XD was it? Just yellow and black or is it the entire nine yards of XD stickers and gear? Jason > > > Hello all, > Yesterday in downtown Walnut Creek I saw a nice XD discovery..for sale. > 7700$ if I remember correctly. > I've seen it once before so if anyone is interested I can get the number > for it. > Have a good week all, > -Marshall > > Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com From bens Tue Jun 29 21:44:26 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5U1iQF8012375 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:44:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5U1iQE6012374 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:44:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:44:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200406300144.i5U1iPn3012370@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Bob and Sue B To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: [MENDO] an engine I have Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Tom, Where are you and the engine? Bob B At 12:29 PM 6/29/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Hi everyone, > >A couple of years ago I bought a 6 cyl Chevy engine with Scotty's adapter >from Russ Wilson. It sits in my garage waiting for someone to use it. I am >hoping that I'll be moving a short distance to a new (to me) house in a >month. Don't tell the engine, but I don't want it anymore. If you come and >get it, it's yours, along with a genuine 6 cyl Rover bell housing, which you >may or may not need. There is one contingency. You have to give the dolly >it is sitting on back to Russ someday, although he may have forgotten about [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jun 29 22:12:45 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5U2CjF8013653 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 22:12:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5U2CjkQ013652 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 22:12:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 22:12:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200406300212.i5U2CjCp013648@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Aidan McLeer" To: Subject: Re: Disco Problems Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On my 88 Rangie Exhaust I have a Dyno max center, and a 03 Disco rear(internally looks like the dynomax, compliments of a sales guide and the test track !!) with 2.5" pipe connecting it all together, it is very quiet, $260 local shop. on the rear door lock, take the rear panel off (get about 20 spare clips) and lube up all the linkage, should free it up. Later Aidan Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail, Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying "Dude, that was awesome " http://community.webshots.com/user/auditech ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Shukait" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 10:14 AM Subject: Disco Problems > > All, > > The exhaust is shot. We take a lot of short trips working so close to > home that when water builds up in the exhaust, it doesn't always burn > off. The pipe joints are leaking and the muffler has 3 small holes > near the inlet tube. Options... > > NRP system is $1431.00 it's the y pipes back. Y-pipes steel the rest [ 26 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jun 29 23:10:52 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5U3AqF8016162 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:10:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5U3AqLr016161 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:10:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:10:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200406300310.i5U3AqmT016157@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Crocuta To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sighting and for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason wrote: >Wow, $7700? That's pretty cheap! How XD was it? Just yellow and black >or is it the entire nine yards of XD stickers and gear? I thought it was pretty cheap too. I wanted one so bad when they first came out.. OH .. 'Real' XD. Entire nine yards. Special vehicle sticker, that funky custom roof rack, cordura seat covers, hood decal, rims etc etc. Looked moderately well taken care of... not too waxed up but no major scratches, few if any blemishes/dents/etc. Looked like it might have had high miles tho..not sure. I actually thought about it for a moment...for a reason that I will let everyone in on later. I just had another sighting on the way back from dog-quality time in the park... on San Pablo there was a Dormobile!! I waved at the guy and he looked at me like I was nuts... then I remembered I was in the Subaru. Oh well -Marshall From bens Tue Jun 29 23:29:52 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5U3TqF8016793 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:29:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5U3TqQh016792 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:29:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:29:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200406300329.i5U3TqMJ016788@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Congdon" To: Subject: Land Rover Magazine Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi all, can anyone reprint the email from Land Rover Owners Mag info who wanted to do a NorCal/SoCal photo layout. Thanks From bens Tue Jun 29 23:30:18 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5U3UIF8016921 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:30:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5U3UI5C016920 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:30:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:30:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200406300330.i5U3UIlx016916@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "rupert jung" To: Subject: Ever carried different size spares? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 196 lines filtered. ] charset="Windows-1252" I got 4 245/75/16 GY MTs but my spare is a stock 255/55/18. If on trail, I have a blowout on one of the 16s, could I put on 2 of the 18s on either the front or the back to "equalize" the load? Which would be better front or rear? What would be any mechanical consequences till I limp home? Its an 03 Disco. I'm short on funds $$$ for a 5th 16in. wheel and MT tire for now. I=92m trying to prepare for the Blue Lakes trip.=20 =20 Rupert _____ =20 =20 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.699 / Virus Database: 456 - Release Date: 6/4/2004 =20 From bens Tue Jun 29 23:51:58 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5U3pwF8017796 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:51:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5U3pwiI017795 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:51:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:51:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200406300351.i5U3pw49017791@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "rupert j" <0792@medicineshoppe.com> To: Subject: RE: Sighting and for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 45 lines filtered. ] I met a student last summer on the SMC campus who had an XD, I think he was from Lafayette. Is it his? I must be a Roverholic, I talked to him right after my daughter's wedding rehearsal on campus. Got the dirtiest look from my wife! Rupert From bens Wed Jun 30 01:09:07 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5U597F8022397 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:09:07 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5U597ug022396 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:09:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:09:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200406300509.i5U597Su022392@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: tomw To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Disco Problems Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > The back door lock will not unlock all the way with the key fob, you > have to use the key in the lock. Is there and adjustment or is it a > part replacement? > > Keith & Pam Shukait I suspect the same hammer the muffler guy used would do wonders :) On the Disco exhaust, find an independant ( non-chain ) muffler shop and have weld/bend up a new pipe and muffler from after the Y pipe ( or right at muffler ) back... I bet its only $200 if you find the right shop -- TomW From bens Wed Jun 30 01:14:40 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5U5EeF8022615 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:14:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5U5EeXQ022614 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:14:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:14:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200406300514.i5U5EeJH022610@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: tomw To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Disco Problems Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Tue, 2004-06-29 at 11:03, Mark Pilkington wrote: > I had a complete custom exhaust built for a 1990 Range Rover from the > manifolds back in bigger diameter and new cats at Marco Muffler in > Sacramento. Total cost was $450 (Four hundred and fifty.) A Bargain. AND, > the did it while I read a three year old Road and track magazine in the > waiting room. > Kind regards, > Mark I figured $200 from muffler back, but $450 from header back is good too, In other words, go find a decent independant muffler shop ( not in an overly expensive section of town )... and you should get a very good deal. TomW From bens Wed Jun 30 04:20:47 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5U8KlF8030430 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 04:20:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5U8KlOs030429 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 04:20:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 04:20:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200406300820.i5U8KlAq030425@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Rusty Greer To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: gmail accounts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org a little off topic, but i have a few gmail invites, let me know if anyone is interested. From bens Wed Jun 30 10:50:14 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5UEoDF8013886 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:50:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5UEoDgA013885 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:50:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:50:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200406301450.i5UEoD8s013881@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Driveline shop in San Jose? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, What is the name of the driveline shop in the Willow Glen area of S.J. Driveline Specialties or something like that? Thanks, Eric From bens Wed Jun 30 19:39:54 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5UNdsF8002950 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:39:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5UNdsAQ002949 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:39:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:39:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200406302339.i5UNdsc0002945@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Chris De Jesus" To: "Mendo Recce" Subject: Alternator for 95 Disco Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 31 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" Hey all, I was just quoted $780.00 for Livermore Land Rover to replace my = alternator. I was take back a little so I called Mike Green at WCB. He = quoted me $660.00 just for the OE alternator. In the conversation he = mentioned that he has used Mean Green starters with good success. He = had not installed a Mean Green alternator yet, though. Has anyone = bought and installed a MG alternator and what has been your experience? = I quick reply would be appreciated. I need an alternator for the July = 10-11 Blue Lakes Trek. TIA, Chris DeJesus Mudy_ovl From bens Wed Jun 30 19:52:55 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5UNqtF8003567 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:52:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i5UNqtkp003566 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:52:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:52:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200406302352.i5UNqsZB003562@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: babies and car transport from east coast Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 37 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Roverites, A friend just bought a RR HSE , which is New York. He needs to get it to = SF. Anyone have a name or two of some reasonable car transporters (less = than $11) Thank you Daniel Also---- Many of you know Roger Sinasohn..he just had (actually I think = it was Rachel) his second child..a girl, Sara Diane Sinasohn, born = 6/27/2004 at 18:42, weighing in at a whopping 8 pounds 13 ounces and = measuring 21 inches. =20 check this out: http://sara.sinasohn.net/ Roger can be reached at: roger@sinasohn.com From bens Wed Jun 30 20:09:55 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i6109tF8004199 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:09:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i6109tCB004198 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:09:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:09:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200407010009.i6109t0a004194@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Alternator for 95 Disco Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I was take back a little so I called Mike Green at WCB. He = > quoted me $660.00 just for the OE alternator. That seemed real high to me. Just checked BP, they want $346 for a 100 amp alternator for a 3.9 disco. Still seems way high to me since I'm used to buying Delco alternators but it sure is lot cheaper than $660. Ever thought of just converting to a generic Delco? TeriAnn From bens Wed Jun 30 20:22:23 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i610MNF8004809 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:22:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i610MNE3004808 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:22:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:22:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200407010022.i610MMk8004804@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Chris De Jesus" To: Subject: Re: Alternator for 95 Disco Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks TeriAnn, I found a Remanu unit with 1yr warranty for $207.00 at Kragens. But I am a little leary of remanus. Cheapest new Bosch I have found is around $210.00 and a "ND" brand from UK for $345.00. any opinions on Bosch or "ND"? Thanks, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 5:09 PM Subject: Re: Alternator for 95 Disco > > > I was take back a little so I called Mike Green at WCB. He = > > quoted me $660.00 just for the OE alternator. > > That seemed real high to me. Just checked BP, they want $346 for a 100 > amp alternator for a 3.9 disco. Still seems way high to me since I'm > used to buying Delco alternators but it sure is lot cheaper than $660. > > Ever thought of just converting to a generic Delco? [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jun 30 21:14:19 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i611EJF8006782 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:14:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i611EJoR006781 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:14:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:14:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200407010114.i611EIKk006777@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Granville" To: Subject: Re: Alternator for 95 Disco Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I vote for the Delco conversion. That's what I have on my RR (older RR, with v-belts). Granny From bens Wed Jun 30 21:35:58 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i611ZwF8007777 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:35:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i611ZwZn007776 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:35:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:35:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200407010135.i611Zvuv007772@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: a different type of converter for a RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 18 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" saw this on craigslist: 1989 RANGE ROVER. RUNS GREAT. NEEDS CADILLAC CONVERTER.=20 $1200.00 OR B.O.=20 (209)524-9472 lol From bens Wed Jun 30 23:31:47 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i613VlF8012387 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:31:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i613VlA2012386 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:31:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:31:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200407010331.i613Vlmk012382@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: tomw To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Alternator for 95 Disco Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have one with 35K-40K on her from a 97 D90 ( serpentine belt ) for $400 plus shipping from Colorado. TomW > Hey all, > I was just quoted $780.00 for Livermore Land Rover to replace my = > alternator. I was take back a little so I called Mike Green at WCB. He = > quoted me $660.00 just for the OE alternator. In the conversation he = > mentioned that he has used Mean Green starters with good success. He = > had not installed a Mean Green alternator yet, though. Has anyone = > bought and installed a MG alternator and what has been your experience? = > I quick reply would be appreciated. I need an alternator for the July = > 10-11 Blue Lakes Trek. [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- TomW From bens Wed Jun 30 23:34:42 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i613YgF8012403 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:34:42 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i613YgPq012402 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:34:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:34:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200407010334.i613YgEj012398@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: tomw To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Alternator for 95 Disco Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org OK, Ill do $300 :) On Wed, 2004-06-30 at 17:09, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > > I was take back a little so I called Mike Green at WCB. He = > > quoted me $660.00 just for the OE alternator. > > That seemed real high to me. Just checked BP, they want $346 for a 100 > amp alternator for a 3.9 disco. Still seems way high to me since I'm > used to buying Delco alternators but it sure is lot cheaper than $660. > > Ever thought of just converting to a generic Delco? > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- TomW From bens Wed Jun 30 23:36:43 2004 Received: from coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i613ahF8012606 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:36:43 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i613ahP3012605 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:36:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:36:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200407010336.i613agpU012601@coriana6.b5.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: tomw To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: a different type of converter for a RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'd prefer it better if it needed a Mercedes or Audi conversion! TomW > saw this on craigslist: > > 1989 RANGE ROVER. RUNS GREAT. NEEDS CADILLAC CONVERTER.=20 > $1200.00 OR B.O.=20 > (209)524-9472 > > lol -- TomW