From bens Sun Dec 1 02:20:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB17K2R29648 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 02:20:02 -0500 Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 02:20:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200212010720.gB17K2j29644@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Alan & Catherine Logue" To: Subject: RE: Chanukkah trivia question No 1 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 37 lines filtered. ] I've heard the same thing- the diff or axles were 35% stronger It seems to be an OZ only thing. Alan in Adelaide From bens Sun Dec 1 12:58:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB1Hw7N00372 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:58:07 -0500 Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:58:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200212011758.gB1Hw7V00368@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: springs update Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Nope, I had the bolts loose: what happened, was that the axle housing shifted forward, and I could only move one side back to its proper position at a time. Of course, when you do that, the other side promptly moves back to where you started! (best to have two people if this happens) Charles On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:46:26 -0500 Peter Ogilvie writes: > > Charles: > > Were you trying to install one side after bolting the > other side up tight. If the U-bolts were cinched up, > that is what caused the problem. ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Sun Dec 1 15:30:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB1KUIo01144 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 15:30:18 -0500 Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 15:30:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200212012030.gB1KUHC01140@minbar.fourfold.org> From: charles phu To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: springs update Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 11 lines filtered. ] Hi Folks- Finally, I've done the suspension replacement for all four springs and shocks on my NADA 109" last evening!:-) It took me about four sessions of 4 hours. I ended up hacksawing both sides of the front bolts and lower shackle bolts of the rear springs to save some time (which is surprising. First I got all nuts off but no move on bolts at all even with long breaker bars, so I decided to go with hacksaw) All U-bolts are fine and loosened right off. The front springs are much easier to work on in my vehicle. all bolts are easily loosened and get installed new bolts and nuts. The frame bushings are in good shape so I left them with new bolts and shackles, heavily greased. As everybody advised, while finished, I left all bolts untightened until I drove the vehicle around the blocks to get alignment settled correctly last evening. Everytihing went fine except I found the vehicle is tilted to the left slightly. This morning I check it again and more closely, and see if I put the handed springs on wrong sides. I was very sure that I got each of the springs checked and marked for its right location because I know they are rated differently between driver side and passenger side. And, yes, fortunately I've got part numbers on the rear passenger spring and the front passenger one still labeled which means they are all on the locations they are supposed to be, according to British Pacific's part catalogue. Then I kept crawling under vehicle and found that the rear left hand side of the vehicle sits much lower than other corners(its shackles are about 40 degrees backward from vertical, which means the spring is compressed much more than others. The vehicle appears to be, the rear is lower than the front on the left hand side, and the rear is also lower than the front on the right hand side. I am sure that this is caused by the left rear corner being too low so the right hand front corner gets lifted a bit. I have marked that I've got rear springs when I got them from BP as part numbered 279678(driver side) and 279679(passenger). #279678 is supposed to be a heavier rated spring than #279679, I suppose, but now it does not appear that way. Did I get a defective spring? or it's been incorrectly labeled by BP or manufacture? Charles --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now From bens Sun Dec 1 18:10:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB1NAlV01961 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 18:10:47 -0500 Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 18:10:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200212012310.gB1NAlf01957@minbar.fourfold.org> From: charles phu To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: springs/axle alignment Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 9 lines filtered. ] Here is the experience I've got these two day on locating axle and springs. One of the reasons that the pin on top of spring and the hole underneath the axle are not aligned is because that their fixed hinges (relatively fixed, in case of springs it's frame hanger, for axles it's u-joints on propeller shaft) are not on the same height and location; so when they rotate (or I should use the word " makeing movement") around their joints the other ends of theirs would have relative movement to each other. Based on this understanding, I tried compressing the springs up and downward then ended up finding the closest point where the pin and the hole can be closest, which is when you compress the spring to the most top as possible. So I managed to get them two close enough to I can just slightly pull the axle with hands to get clicked in with the spring pin. This method seems to work for my vehicle. I am sure it would vary on vehicles but you might find it something intereting to try if you get stuck with aligning them. Just my .02 cents. Charles P. '99 Disco II '67 NADA 109" SW --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now From bens Mon Dec 2 05:17:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2AHXT07350 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 05:17:33 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 05:17:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200212021017.gB2AHWq07346@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Young To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Motorcycles, was Re: "SUV" haters (long) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A few days ago Granny wrote: > I agree. I'd be too dangerous on a crotch rocket (I fancy a VFR) so a > dual-sport would be much more realistic. Perhaps a Kawasaki KLR 650. I > don't dare even price a KTM like John's. I've often thought about getting > one of those (the Kawi, that is). Hate to have a bike, though, with no > garage. Granny... if you obtain a dual-sport, even one not built in Austria, it would be a joy to explore some trails with you. With a 14 gallon fuel capacity, I can at least function as a fuel tanker of sorts. I'd like to make it out to Nevada some time in the next year or so, before moving on to more distant locations (right... I'll probably still be stuck behind the computer...). -John Young From bens Mon Dec 2 10:23:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2FNGM09034 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:23:16 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:23:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200212021523.gB2FNGd09030@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Motorcycles, was Re: "SUV" haters (long) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...The biker gets up, looks out the window, and decides what to wear...." Bless you Frank, Bless you. :^) That was me in Indiana. In the mid-west, I learned quickly that if you let the weather dictate your activity, you'll soon be as grumpy as most of the people there. :^) And riding was possible at least 5-10 days in every month of the year. And all the time between March and December. Unfortunately, Colorado has cramped my biking style a bit. Since most of my general locomotion revolves around commuting (always has), it follows that most of my riding does too. Now that the commute covers 40 miles and 4,000 ft of elevation, I find my cavalier attitude tempered a bit. Looking out the window to decide what to wear is unfortunately not a healthy practice when you know you'll pass through three distinct climate zones between home and work, and then in reverse on the way home. There is a fellow here who rides a ZX11 to work year round. He only lives 8 or 10 miles from work, right here in Denver. Man, do I envy him. But I guess I make up in quality what I miss in quantity of days. On the 60 or 80 days a year I get to do it, my commuting ride is a total joy. A good hour of nice mountain roads where you can forget about most other of life's cares. I guess I need to get the 120 on the road to bridge the gap between days I can ride the bike and days I need the G. :^) -Dave G. From bens Mon Dec 2 10:31:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2FVt509107 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:31:55 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:31:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200212021531.gB2FVsi09103@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: springs/axle alignment Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, After reading Charles description of the reason the pins don't always drop in easily, I agree with him. The driveshaft holds the axle back a bit when the springs are low. So it would be easy to remove the bolts at the driveshaft then the axle would be easy to align on the pins. I found this to be the case on the front of my 88. Bob B At 03:10 PM 12/1/2002, Charles Phu wrote: > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] > [ 9 lines filtered. ] > > >Here is the experience I've got these two day on locating axle and >springs. One of the reasons that the pin on top of spring and the hole >underneath the axle are not aligned is because that their fixed hinges >(relatively fixed, in case of springs it's frame hanger, for axles it's [ 28 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Dec 2 10:38:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2FcRN09136 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:38:27 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:38:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200212021538.gB2FcRB09132@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Radar Detectors Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...The new technology is Ka band..." Well, that's good to hear. I have a 10 year old Bell that has always kicked a$$, and never failed to warn me LONG before the cop was in sight. But I didn't mention it because I thought it was probably out of date by now (it's X, K, Ka). It doesn't do Laser, but I'm not sure if that's still around much or mostly a passing fad from the 90s. Glad to hear Ka is still dominant so I can still have faith in the Bell. Back when I bought it, I did the "put a pile of these things on the credit card, try them all out to see which is best, and return the rest" deal. The Bell gave the longest, most consistent warnings, with the least false alarms. Been using it ever since. Never could afford the Valentine. At $40-$50 a per ticket the Valentine would have to save me 5 or 6 tickets that the ($129) Bell wouldn't catch. Since I only even run into the "opportunity" to get a ticket two or three times a year, I just didn't see the likelihood for the valentine to pay off. So far so good. -Dave G. From bens Mon Dec 2 10:43:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2Fhbi09181 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:43:37 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:43:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200212021543.gB2Fhbj09177@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Turtle stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...We should e-mail Wesnott and ask him why he doesn't have on the website his infamously nasty and cuttingly derisive article..." I'll save you the trouble..... HE'S A BUSINESSMAN. There's no money in pissing people off. Something he probably learned about the time he stepped away from the Land Rover for his particular needs. The latter decision probably just as commercially motivated as the former. Hey wait a minute.....Ford OWNS Land Rover now, don't they? I guess he gets the last laugh after all. :^) -Dave G. From bens Mon Dec 2 10:48:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2FmfY09257 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:48:41 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:48:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200212021548.gB2Fmf709253@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Radar Detectors Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Has anybody tried one of those radar "signal jammer" units? I'm curious to know how they work. Charles - soon to be low-flying in cornfields... ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Mon Dec 2 10:53:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2FrTi09294 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:53:29 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:53:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200212021553.gB2FrTe09290@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Mojave - chomping at the bit..... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I don't know why I do this to myself... Started looking at maps again and am wondering if we will visit the following locations: Cima Dome Cinder Cone Lava Beds north of Kelbaker Rd. Devil's Playground Rainbow Basin (granted, it's a little North of where the trip originally planned to go...) Also, anyone from the Bay area coming? I have a little shipment I wish to arrange near the end of the trip. Thanks, Michael _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From bens Mon Dec 2 10:54:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2Fs1i09311 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:54:01 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:54:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200212021554.gB2Fs0Y09307@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Alternator Rebuild Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If it's a good shop, they will recognize that the diodes in the Lucas are too small. If they don't know that or can't figure that out, they aren't a good shop. If you have a good battery, the Lucas is O.K. If your battery is older or marginal, the Lucas has to run more often, leading to it's untimely demise. The diodes aren't up to the task. >>> dpearce23@attbi.com 11/29/02 09:02PM >>> I'm considering a rebuild of my '87 RR alternator. Can anyone on the list recommend a good shop in Marin or the North Bay? Thanks, Dave From bens Mon Dec 2 10:56:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2FurT09376 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:56:53 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:56:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200212021556.gB2FurB09372@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Turtle stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, Speaking of Wesnott, I don't buy many off road magazines lately, So I don't know if his stuff is still in them. But I do get trailer life and his articles are in there now. He and Monika did the old hwy 66 then wrote about it. Probably sold it to other motor home magazines also. I think they went to Alaska before that. One of the things that aggravated me a lot with his original Turtle articles, was the story was mostly commercials for the stuff he uses. Bob B At 07:43 AM 12/2/2002, you wrote: >"...We should e-mail Wesnott and ask him why he doesn't have on the website >his >infamously nasty and cuttingly derisive article..." > >I'll save you the trouble..... HE'S A BUSINESSMAN. There's no money in >pissing people off. Something he probably learned about the time he stepped >away from the Land Rover for his particular needs. The latter decision >probably just as commercially motivated as the former. Hey wait a >minute.....Ford OWNS Land Rover now, don't they? I guess he gets the last [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Dec 2 11:00:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2G01x09401 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:00:01 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:00:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200212021600.gB2G00F09397@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Neat Expedition Website Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I met Gary on the '77 Scotty/Black Rock trip when he had the Rover. Seemed like a decent sort. Then, when he switched to the Chevy truck, he absolutely trashed the Rover in Off-Road magazine, for which he was writing all his travel articles. Instead of graciously parting ways, he called the Rover a P.O.S. in print, to the cheers of the Chevy crowd, I guess. He dumped the L-R community like Bill dumped Monica. "I never camped in that truck, a Land Rover, not once" Of course, he got sucked into the "Scotty 250 conversion which is THE answer to ANY and ALL Land Rover problems, now and forever". He wasn't the only one stung by the cruel whip of disappointment. But, that's what made his articles interesting, he had a Rover and the adventures of keeping it going. After he switched and began driving trucks with a camper, no one gave a c*#p. No one went around saying, "Hey, did you see Westcott's latest article in Off-Road? He's driving around Baja in a Chevy truck with a camper shell!" Except in the hall's of Off-Road or Ziff-Davis. I'm amazed he was able to sweet-talk most of the big accessory and performance parts companies to give him stuff. Quite the salesman. Shoulda' sold Osbournes. So much for Westcott. I haven't forgotten, either.... >>> mapool@adelphia.net 11/29/02 06:37PM >>> Mo, We should e-mail Wesnott and ask him why he doesn't have on the website his infamously nasty and cuttingly derisive article, written at the time he decided to scrap Turtle I and go to an uhmurkun Ford for Turtle II. He made a lot of enemies in Land-Rover circles, with that cheap shot! No hint of that could I find on this site. By this time he sounds relatively neutral about the Rover. But I haven't forgotten... > These folks have done some travelling over the years! > Check out this page about their old 109: > > http://www.turtleexpedition.com/vehicles/turtle1.htm From bens Mon Dec 2 11:10:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2GAU309474 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:10:30 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:10:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200212021610.gB2GATj09470@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Neat Expedition Website Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....After he switched and began driving trucks with a camper, no one gave a c*#p...." Oh I dunno...He still attracts enough sponsorship to keep doing the expedition thing "professionally". Major corporations don't throw that kind of money behind stuff that "no one [gives] a c*#p" about. Doing what he has been for as long as he has, seeing the places he's seen by vehicle, I have to say I admire that at least. Would I rather I could say he'd done it all in a Land Rover? Probably. Would I hold his choice of mannerisms in his endorsements up as an example to my kid(s)? Probably not. But his accomplishments are what they are, for better or worse, IMHO. -Dave G. From bens Mon Dec 2 11:19:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2GJCp09527 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:19:12 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:19:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200212021619.gB2GJCM09523@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Turtle stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....the story was mostly commercials for the stuff he uses...." Sad but true. And probably why he's still out there doing his thing with shiny new gear every couple years. Writing another "Looking for Lovedu" don't pay the bills, I guess. :^) But you're right, Bob. Sort of takes the gild [sp?] off the lily, so to speak. A driver buddy of mine once told me, "...even part time racers have to be full time ad men these days..." By that he meant living eating, and breathing the hunt for sponsorship. -Dave PS - caught a good bit of [in the US] "The Quick and the Dead" or under European title. "Champions Forever", on Speed Channel the other day. Really a good snapshot of early 70s GP life (and death). I hadn't seen that one in 10 years. From bens Mon Dec 2 11:23:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2GNu609582 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:23:56 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:23:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200212021623.gB2GNud09578@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: Need to rent a trailer, suggestions? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anybody have a good recommendation for a place to rent a trailer from? My 110 has had an electrical problem (no spark, but it's not the coil) and I need to go pick it up. Help! Jon From bens Mon Dec 2 11:29:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2GTwB09627 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:29:58 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:29:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200212021629.gB2GTwU09623@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Clean Running Land Rovers, NOT Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ".....Try removing the catalytic converter and then see how your emmissions measure up....." Good point, Joe. I have a CO sniffer at home, and I can actually use it to tune the CIS injection on the G since it doesn't have a cat. Once you put that converter in line, you can't reliably tell much at all about what the motor's doing by watching the tailpipe. :^( I suppose one could put another o2-sensor-type bung upstream of the cats and do the sniffing there. -Dave G. From bens Mon Dec 2 11:32:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2GWIZ09665 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:32:18 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:32:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200212021632.gB2GWIW09661@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: LR links Now: other links re motorcycles LONG Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Jerry and Granny, thanks for the great book list. Handy to have so close to Christmas and all. Should I include the link to jesse's bags in my wish list? :^) -Dave G. From bens Mon Dec 2 11:37:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2GbRD09751 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:37:27 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:37:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200212021637.gB2GbRe09747@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave - chomping at the bit..... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Michael, did I ever get out there and hand you your guidebook??? If not, I may have an excuse to make another Vegas run! Charles On Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:53:29 -0500 "Polla Slade" writes: > > > I don't know why I do this to myself... > > Started looking at maps again and am wondering if we will visit the > following locations: > > Cima Dome > [ 23 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Mon Dec 2 12:11:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2HBs410003 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:11:54 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:11:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200212021711.gB2HBr509999@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Neat Expedition Website Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, What was the problem with the conversions? One of the reasons he wanted the conversion was the availability of Chevy parts where ever he travelled. Rather than trying to find rover engine parts. Bob B At 08:00 AM 12/2/2002, Eric wrote: > Of course, he got sucked into the "Scotty 250 conversion which is THE >answer to ANY and ALL Land Rover problems, now and forever". He wasn't >the only one stung by the cruel whip of disappointment. From bens Mon Dec 2 12:13:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2HD2T10018 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:13:02 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:13:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200212021713.gB2HD2x10014@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mojave - chomping at the bit..... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org We've been known to go to the cinder beds and play like children before.... lot's of fun too. Cheers, Gerry Cima Dome Cinder Cone Lava Beds north of Kelbaker Rd. From bens Mon Dec 2 12:41:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2Hfba10219 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:41:37 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:41:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200212021741.gB2Hfbm10215@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Radar Detectors Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Don't forget the change in your insurance rates if you get too many tickets. Gomes, David wrote: > Bell gave the longest, most consistent warnings, with the least false > alarms. Been using it ever since. Never could afford the Valentine. At > $40-$50 a per ticket the Valentine would have to save me 5 or 6 tickets that > the ($129) Bell wouldn't catch. Since I only even run into the > "opportunity" to get a ticket two or three times a year, I just didn't see > the likelihood for the valentine to pay off. So far so good. > > -Dave G. > From bens Mon Dec 2 12:48:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2Hmnu10256 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:48:49 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:48:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200212021748.gB2HmmW10252@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Radar Detectors Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...Don't forget the change in your insurance rates if you get too many tickets...." Not a factor in the cost differential, since I would definitely just STOP SPEEDING if I was in danger of an insurance rate hike. But also moot, since the basis was a "difference" and the Bell alone is way more than capable of keeping me out of rate-bump land. -Dave G. From bens Mon Dec 2 12:53:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2HrJL10324 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:53:19 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:53:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200212021753.gB2HrIa10320@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Neat Expedition Website Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Monday, December 2, 2002, at 09:11 AM, Bob & Sue Bernard wrote: > > Hi, > What was the problem with the conversions? The engine is marginally too powerful for the gearbox (Which is why Scotty always said nothing bigger than the 250). The stock 2.25 is marginally too powerful for the rear 10 spline axles. The six is definitely too powerful for the axles. The small Gm 6 works OK with the stock gearbox as long as you are easy on the clutch. Bottom line is the engine with no other changes created a less reliable drive train. > One of the reasons he wanted the conversion was the availability of > Chevy > parts where ever he travelled. Rather than trying to find rover engine > parts. That's not what is gonna break. TeriAnn J. wakeman Santa Cruz, California http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman A member of the internet community since 1985. From bens Mon Dec 2 12:56:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2HuKj10357 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:56:20 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:56:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200212021756.gB2HuKj10353@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave - chomping at the bit..... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org New areas sound good. I'm happy to follow along to wherever. All I ask is a flattish spot to spend the night. TeriAnn J. Wakeman Santa Cruz, California twakeman@cruzers.com http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Mon Dec 2 13:06:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2I6MU10421 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:06:22 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:06:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200212021806.gB2I6MR10417@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bruce Grove To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Radar Detectors Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "Gomes, David" wrote: > > $40-$50 a per ticket the Valentine would have to save me 5 or 6 tickets that > the ($129) Bell wouldn't catch. Since I only even run into the > "opportunity" to get a ticket two or three times a year, I just didn't see > the likelihood for the valentine to pay off. So far so good. > After just getting busted for 92 in a 75 on my way back through Wyoming on Saturday I can tell you that it would only take 2 tickets to recoup the cost of the Valentine. Probably even less if you account for the increase in insurance as well ;-( The road was empty, long, straight and boring (I-80), as we came into the boundaries of Evanston we slowed down to 75 and he appeared from nowhere and did us for 92. Do the crime, pay the time, but what rankles me most about this is it's not going to do anything to curb my driving or encourage me to slow down, it was a clear empty road and it was safe, give me a slap, give me a long boring lecture, give me some education, but just hitting my wallet will only serve to piss me off and go out and buy a radar detector ;-) Cheers, Bruce From bens Mon Dec 2 13:29:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2IT0K10634 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:29:00 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:29:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200212021829.gB2IT0Y10630@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Radar Detectors Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...I can tell you that it would only take 2 tickets to recoup the cost of the Valentine...." Again, I was talking differential between the Valentine and the Bell. Not the Valentine and nothing. Tougher to say how many tickets are avoided with the Valentine that would have been paid with a less expensive detector. Then there's the fact that no radar detector can save you from the guys that know how to use "instant on" very effectively. No emissions until they're clocking YOU. That's the advantage of a detector with long legs like the Bell, and probably the Valentine, has. You can catch even the instant on guys if they're trigger happy, by picking up their signature as they clock someone a mile or two ahead of you. The only time I experienced real can't-detect-it instant on, I was doing over 140 (highest number on the buried speedo which was pointed at 6-o'clock) in my '71 Firebird. I instinctively let off the gas when the detector instantly went full blast. About the same time I registered his gumballs rolling, I got my wits back and mashed the pedal. Exited the highway 4 or 5 miles later. All I ever saw of the cop was that flash of red as his lights started. Quite a rush, but one better left to younger folks. :^) My bet is he probably never left his spot parked in that dip in the median. Just put the fear of God in me. Mission accomplished. :^) -Dave G. From bens Mon Dec 2 13:37:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2Ib6J10684 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:37:06 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:37:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200212021837.gB2Ib6S10680@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hannaford, Morgan" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: NCRC holiday party - Land Rover videos Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It is not too late to RSVP for the NCRC Holiday party on December 14. I told the caterer 50 and we are now up to 38 attendees; we can go over. I have not heard from some of the usual suspects.....I will be tracking you down shortly! Send me an e-mail. I will bring an LCD projector, DVD laptop and VCR. Does anyone have Land-Rover videos that we can keep running throughout the gathering? The whole Camel Trophy series, or Land-Rover promotional stuff? Otherwise you will be subjected to Born Free and Lethal Ninja! Let me know and I will remind you to bring them next week. Cheers, -Morgan Hannaford (530)243-7291 From bens Mon Dec 2 13:43:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2Ih5F10758 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:43:05 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:43:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200212021843.gB2Ih5P10754@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Clean Running Land Rovers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200211281622.gASGMQY08233@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: I just went looking for the NJ emissions regulations earlier today. It made me twitch went the first definition was "CARB == California Air Resources Board". And they refer to CARB in the regulations. Ben From bens Mon Dec 2 13:55:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2ItI410945 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:55:18 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:55:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200212021855.gB2ItIu10941@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: RE: NCRC holiday party - Land Rover videos Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Who has the videos that Bill Burke donated to the club? I forget what they were but would they be worth viewing? From bens Mon Dec 2 14:02:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2J2hf11051 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:02:43 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:02:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200212021902.gB2J2gZ11047@minbar.fourfold.org> From: eric.fournier@attbi.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Radar Detectors Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, it's always hard to say whether you could of gotten away with less... The Valentine One is not only the best rated for long range, it also tells you how many signals it's tracking and which directions they are coming from. It will also, tell you which direction the greater threat is coming from. I have been saved twice from multiple location speed traps. CA DMV will keep track of your ticket record for five years. You don't have to acknowledge any tickets older than three years to insurance companies, but if you get a ticket on your current insurance they cam keep track of it longer. Six years for my coverage with State Farm. I'd change if it weren't for their already good rates (multi-vehicle and multi-line) and flexibility with exotic cars and motorcycles. Oh, and they're only applying my one ticket to one vehicle. Seems silly since I got it when I lived in Washington in a car they never insured. Eric Fournier with V1 From bens Mon Dec 2 14:04:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2J4nB11066 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:04:49 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:04:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200212021904.gB2J4nQ11062@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bruce Grove To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Radar Detectors Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "Gomes, David" wrote: > > "...I can tell you that it would only take 2 tickets to recoup > the cost of the Valentine...." > > Again, I was talking differential between the Valentine and the Bell. Not > the Valentine and nothing. Tougher to say how many tickets are avoided with > the Valentine that would have been paid with a less expensive detector. > Oh, well in that case we're talking about 1 ticket, it's a $200 fine... :-( > Then there's the fact that no radar detector can save you from the guys that > know how to use "instant on" very effectively. No emissions until they're > clocking YOU. That's the advantage of a detector with long legs like the > Bell, and probably the Valentine, has. You can catch even the instant on > guys if they're trigger happy, by picking up their signature as they clock > someone a mile or two ahead of you. > Exactly, that's what I'm now looking for, incidentally for those looking for recommendations the Beltronics models have been popular in the UK for a while now and consistantly get good reviews. They're also legal in the UK due to a quirk in the law, the police used to claim that they were illegal since the telegraphy act prohibits you listening to transmissions not intended for you and then acting upon them. A judge threw this out a few years ago based on the fact that detectors simply detect the presence of radar and there is no information contained within the transmission so you can't be acting upon the information contained within it :-) As for the other comment about lasers being a passing fad, their use in Europe is on the up since they can be targetted and a speed captured within 1/3 of a second, by the time you detect it it's probably too late... > The only time I experienced real can't-detect-it instant on, I was doing > over 140 (highest number on the buried speedo which was pointed at > 6-o'clock) in my '71 Firebird. I instinctively let off the gas when the > detector instantly went full blast. About the same time I registered his > gumballs rolling, I got my wits back and mashed the pedal. Exited the > highway 4 or 5 miles later. All I ever saw of the cop was that flash of red > as his lights started. Quite a rush, but one better left to younger folks. > :^) > it would also require some serious work under the bonnet to achieve this with a Land Rover :-))) Cheers, Bruce From bens Mon Dec 2 14:05:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2J5LI11092 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:05:21 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:05:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200212021905.gB2J5Kx11088@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bruce Grove To: "mendo_recce@fourfold.org" Subject: Catalyst on Disco Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hiya all, I've got a 95 Disco V8 and the underfloor catalyst now has a somewhat vocal death rattle, I thought it was the gearbox at first so was "happy" to find it's only the cat. I have a vague recollection of someone fitting a replacement cat instead of a whole new pipe, does anyone have any experience with this or recommendations for new parts? Cheers, Bruce From bens Mon Dec 2 14:40:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2Jefq11397 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:40:41 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:40:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200212021940.gB2Jefs11393@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Radar Detectors Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200211302106.gAUL6ml25035@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > Radar detectors are legal in at least 48 states (including California) they > are illegal in Virginia and one other state on the east coast. They used to be illegal in Conneticutt. I didn't notice is the signs were still up when I drove through over the weekend. Ben From bens Mon Dec 2 14:52:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2JqYW11508 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:52:34 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:52:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200212021952.gB2JqXF11504@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Catalyst on Disco Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org FWIW, there's this site: http://www.spanishtrailrovers.com/Tech/Mods/Exhaust_Upgrade/exhaust_upgrade. html -Dave G. From bens Mon Dec 2 15:05:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2K58c11691 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:05:08 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:05:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200212022005.gB2K57f11687@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: RE: Catalyst on Disco Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 21 lines filtered. ] SAy, I'm wondering if that is what I'm hearing on my Defender! When do you hear it and what does it sounds like? From bens Mon Dec 2 15:05:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2K5tH11716 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:05:55 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:05:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200212022005.gB2K5t911712@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Neat Expedition Website Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ditto to TeriAnn. In addition, with the 4.7 gearing, the Chevy 6 runs around 2800 - 3000 rpm's at 60 - 65 mph - way above it's designed cruising rpms. The milage is worse than the Rover 4. The radiator/cooling system was never properly sorted out, continual radiator design changes. The oil pan had to have a good sized dent pounded into it so the front diff. wouldn't punch a hole in it when you hit a bump. And extended bump stops were/are still required, thus limiting already limited wheel travel. "Nice mud guard on the adapter" - NOT. One of Gary's issues was he couldn't run the low octane Pemex in the Rover engine...he had to get Av gas @130 octane and mix them to run. I thought the Rover engine was designed to run on low octane gas, by adjusting the vernier nut on the distibutor. >>> bobnsueb@saber.net 12/02/02 09:11AM >>> Hi, What was the problem with the conversions? One of the reasons he wanted the conversion was the availability of Chevy parts where ever he travelled. Rather than trying to find rover engine parts. Bob B At 08:00 AM 12/2/2002, Eric wrote: > Of course, he got sucked into the "Scotty 250 conversion which is THE >answer to ANY and ALL Land Rover problems, now and forever". He wasn't >the only one stung by the cruel whip of disappointment. From bens Mon Dec 2 15:39:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2Kdnr11936 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:39:49 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:39:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200212022039.gB2KdnQ11932@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Need to rent a trailer, suggestions? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org What would you propose to tow with? Most trailer places require a 3/4 ton or larger truck! a rangie in son accepted. ;-( Paul(tried before) --- Jon Turner wrote: > > Anybody have a good recommendation for a place to rent a > trailer from? My > 110 has had an electrical problem (no spark, but it's not > the coil) and I > need to go pick it up. > > Help! > [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Mon Dec 2 15:51:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2KpYL12037 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:51:34 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:51:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200212022051.gB2KpYR12033@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: SII generator wanted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I am looking for a generator for my 59 SII. Anyone out there has one? working or none working. Mine works, but it is out of alignment with the crank and water pump pulley. (it extends a bit out). Also I will take a generator support bracket if there is one around. (it is a flat piece, not like the later ones that have two bends in them). I can have mine welded, but with one around, it is easier. You can email me off the list with price. Thanks Mehdi From bens Mon Dec 2 16:32:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2LW6x12551 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:32:06 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:32:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200212022132.gB2LW5P12547@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Neat Expedition Website Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Monday, December 2, 2002, at 12:05 PM, Eric Johnson wrote: > > The oil pan had to have a good sized dent pounded into it so the front > diff. Ditto Ford 302 with Bronco oil pan. But I discovered the clearance problem is self correcting first time you launch the front end into the air. Pan stayed intact & never touches the diff housing anymore. "kane Creek canyon tower this is Land Rover 109 ready for straight out departure" TeriAnn J. Wakeman Santa Cruz, California twakeman@cruzers.com http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Mon Dec 2 17:00:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2M0iK12721 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:00:44 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:00:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200212022200.gB2M0iE12717@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Need to rent a trailer, suggestions? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org They can be a real PITA when renting those things out... I had to tell U-Haul that I was hauling plywood in order to rent one to tow The African home when I bought it, and that's using the tow bar it has, let alone using one of thier trailers, which I think they won't let you do BTW. A 110 may be different, I don't know. I'm also looking for a trailer, but I think it may be cheaper to buy one considering the distance I'm going. --- Paul Archibald wrote: > > What would you propose to tow with? Most trailer > places > require a 3/4 ton or larger truck! a rangie in son > accepted. ;-( > > Paul(tried before) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Mon Dec 2 18:00:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2N0Pu13161 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:00:25 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:00:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200212022300.gB2N0PE13156@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Need to rent a trailer, suggestions? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Stirling Anderson wrote: > > They can be a real PITA when renting those things > out... I had to tell U-Haul that I was hauling plywood > in order to rent one to tow The African home when I > bought it, and that's using the tow bar it has, let > alone using one of thier trailers, which I think they > won't let you do BTW. A 110 may be different, I don't > know. Oh! for trailers? DO NOT GO TO BUDGET/U-HAUL etc!!! Go to an industrial tool rentor like action rents/a tool shed/etc. the trailer will be waaay overkill for a rover. OI recall it weighing 3500#s!!!!!! looked like was built for a backhoe! but this was the best I could find. or find a race-car/car restoration guy that has one to borrow? >I'm also looking for a trailer, but I think it > may be cheaper to buy one considering the distance I'm > going. so...the move is still on? I aggree! buying a trailer to tow bewhind the big chevy sounds like the est idea...than put The African on it, along with all your worldly possessions. when you arrive over there, if ou so desire, sell teh trailer, or maybe keep it for further projects! ;-) Paul > --- Paul Archibald wrote: > > > > What would you propose to tow with? Most trailer > > places > > require a 3/4 ton or larger truck! a rangie in son > > accepted. ;-( > > > > Paul(tried before) > [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Mon Dec 2 18:45:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB2Njcs13421 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:45:38 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:45:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200212022345.gB2NjcU13417@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bruce Grove To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Catalyst on Disco Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jon Turner wrote: > > SAy, I'm wondering if that is what I'm hearing on my Defender! When do you > hear it and what does it sounds like? It sounds literally like something large and metallic is rattling round in the gearbox or some other large metal container. I worked it out by crawling around underneath and listening (screwdriver handle on ear, screwdriver blade on part) until I worked out what it was. I've heard from people back in the UK that it's fairly common at around 100k miles (mine has 90k). I checked the heatshields as well but they're all fine. Bruce From bens Mon Dec 2 19:29:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB30TVN13676 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:29:31 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:29:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200212030029.gB30TVI13672@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: OT-Need to rent a trailer, suggestions? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Paul Archibald wrote: > so...the move is still on? I aggree! buying a > trailer to > tow bewhind the big chevy sounds like the est > idea...than > put The African on it, along with all your worldly > possessions. when you arrive over there, if ou so > desire, > sell teh trailer, or maybe keep it for further > projects! [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Yeah... the move is still on. I caught alot of flak from my family about when it was going to take place... they were all telling me what to do, so on and so forth. If someone would just buy The African already!!! geezz..... hehe It's still a matter of either/or either I sell The African to afford the move, or Amy finds a job and makes enough money to pay for the move. So, we're waiting to see... Stirling __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Mon Dec 2 20:02:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB312n513871 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:02:49 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:02:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200212030102.gB312nY13867@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: RE: Catalyst on Disco Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 18 lines filtered. ] That must be what I'm hearing from mine. Which would help explain the difficulty passing the emissions test... [I'm at 90k too] From bens Mon Dec 2 20:05:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB315C213895 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:05:12 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:05:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200212030105.gB315Bp13891@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: RE: Need to rent a trailer, suggestions? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 27 lines filtered. ] I ended up finding a hauler that would bring it from Bishop to Livermore for $415. Considering the time and effort required, I doubt I could have done it for much less, especially considering time/food/possible overnight stay. I was going to tow it with the HSE, which is rated to tow 6500 lbs. From bens Mon Dec 2 20:39:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB31d2Q14043 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:39:02 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:39:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200212030139.gB31d2B14039@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: SII generator wanted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Mehdi, When I figure out what part of the bracket you need, I will go out and locate it for you in the box-of-stuff. I think you mean the triangular piece? Probably have two or three of them. And one thicker aluminum one from a newer engine. Bob B At 12:51 PM 12/2/2002, you wrote: >I am looking for a generator for my 59 SII. Anyone out there has one? >working or none working. Mine works, but it is out of alignment with the >crank and water pump pulley. (it extends a bit out). > >Also I will take a generator support bracket if there is one around. (it is >a flat piece, not like the later ones that have two bends in them). I can >have mine welded, but with one around, it is easier. You can email me off >the list with price. > [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Dec 2 21:57:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB32v5b14510 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:57:05 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:57:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200212030257.gB32v4914506@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Matt W" To: Subject: Re: Neat Expedition Website Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org After reading what he had to say about the Turtle, all I could think of was, if the Land Rover was so bad how come he drove it for over a decade? Matt W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Granville Pool" To: Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 6:37 PM Subject: Re: Neat Expedition Website > > Mo, > > We should e-mail Wesnott and ask him why he doesn't have on the website his > infamously nasty and cuttingly derisive article, written at the time he > decided to scrap Turtle I and go to an uhmurkun Ford for Turtle II. He made > a lot of enemies in Land-Rover circles, with that cheap shot! No hint of > that could I find on this site. By this time he sounds relatively neutral > about the Rover. But I haven't forgotten... > > > These folks have done some travelling over the years! > > Check out this page about their old 109: > > > > http://www.turtleexpedition.com/vehicles/turtle1.htm > [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Dec 2 21:57:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB32vip14525 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:57:44 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:57:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200212030257.gB32viu14521@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Roger Sinasohn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: NCRC holiday party - Land Rover videos Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 01:37 PM 12/2/02 -0500, you wrote: >I will bring an LCD projector, DVD laptop and VCR. Does anyone have >Land-Rover videos that we can keep running throughout the gathering? I have "Killer Force" on VHS. I also have (somewhere -- can I find it in time?) a video of a Black Rock trip from a few years back. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From bens Mon Dec 2 22:00:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB330cN14558 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 22:00:38 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 22:00:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200212030300.gB330cR14554@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Matt W" To: Subject: Re: Mojave - chomping at the bit..... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Micheal, I'm right there with you. I am so ready to get out in the desert. My wife is pushing me to take the RR, but I'm thinking i gotta take the 88" Matt W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Polla Slade" To: Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 7:53 AM Subject: Mojave - chomping at the bit..... > > > I don't know why I do this to myself... > > Started looking at maps again and am wondering if we will visit the > following locations: > > Cima Dome > [ 21 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Dec 2 22:25:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB33PY814682 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 22:25:34 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 22:25:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200212030325.gB33PXY14678@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: RE: SII generator wanted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It is the top part. It bolts to the water pump and has along oval for the generator adjustment. It is a bit on the tin side, hence broken on one of the lip around the oval. If you have it would be great, otherwise I'll have it machined. Do you have any short generator pulley? Mehdi - -Hi Mehdi, -When I figure out what part of the bracket you need, I will go out and -locate it for you in the box-of-stuff. I think you mean the triangular piece? -Probably have two or three of them. And one thicker aluminum one from a -newer engine. -Bob B From bens Mon Dec 2 22:42:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB33goC14808 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 22:42:50 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 22:42:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200212030342.gB33got14804@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave - chomping at the bit..... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Matt, Glad to see I'm not alone. Basically what we have is a support group for map readers. Hehe. Michael _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From bens Mon Dec 2 23:04:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB344ZG15013 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 23:04:35 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 23:04:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200212030404.gB344Yx15009@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Brian Foster" To: Subject: OT: Servers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Many of you know that I work for the computer group at Toshiba. However, instead of working for the notebook group, I specialize in servers and disruptive technologies (anything that doesn't fit the normal business model). We had some servers -- and I mean, big servers 7U high and pretty deep -- that were sent out for evaluations that were returned. We refurbish these and they come with a 1-year warranty. The reason I bring this up is that I bought 5 servers and only want 3 of them. The other two will go for $250-400 and I thought someone here might be interested. The big issue is that I would prefer that they not be shipped since they are packaged on small, specially made pallets and are rather large servers (each one weighs about 80-90 lbs. Furthermore, I am in SoCal. Contact me directly (since I get the digest version of this list) at roundel@home.com if you are interested. Brian Foster Irvine CA From bens Mon Dec 2 23:41:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB34ftj15196 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 23:41:55 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 23:41:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200212030441.gB34ftG15192@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Radar Detectors Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Has anybody tried one of those radar "signal jammer" units? I'm curious >to know how they work. > >Charles - soon to be low-flying in cornfields... Detectors are passive, those things are active, and the police can tell what you are up to. VERY illegal in most if not all states. Reasoning is that you are interfering with their signal. RW -- Blaming Guns for Crime is Like Blaming Spoons for Rosie O'Donnell Being Fat From bens Mon Dec 2 23:43:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB34h4E15216 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 23:43:04 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 23:43:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200212030443.gB34h4R15212@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: Alternator Rebuild Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Eric wrote: > If you have a good battery, the Lucas is O.K. If your battery is older > or marginal, the Lucas has to run more often, leading to it's untimely > demise. The diodes aren't up to the task. All the more reason I'm glad I converted my '92 RR to a Delco (95 amp, big frame). If you hook up an ammeter to a Range Rover, then turn on all the power-hungry accessories that we love to use in winter (front and rear windscreen demister grids, seat heaters, heater blower, and lights), well, boy! That's some amp draw. Not many alternators that can handle all that for long. For good measure, I'm also running an Optima battery. Granny From bens Tue Dec 3 00:01:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB351kW15489 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 00:01:46 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 00:01:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200212030501.gB351kq15485@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: RE: NCRC holiday party - Land Rover videos Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 27 lines filtered. ] Maybe Jason can bring the "Flipper" video? From bens Tue Dec 3 00:48:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB35m8p16895 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 00:48:08 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 00:48:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200212030548.gB35m7016891@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: Burned out NAS 110 on ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Very interesting 110 for sale on ebay, could make for an interesting project! The rear seems to be fine! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1873971212 jpipes From bens Tue Dec 3 00:54:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB35s6F16926 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 00:54:06 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 00:54:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200212030554.gB35s5l16922@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: RE: NCRC holiday party - Land Rover videos Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I will indeed be bringing the now infamous video. What a way to celebrate the holidays, watching someone roll their truck!! ;) BTW, sorry to hear about your most recent troubles with the 110!! jpipes From bens Tue Dec 3 01:00:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB360iN16977 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 01:00:44 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 01:00:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200212030600.gB360iK16973@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: RE: Burned out NAS 110 on ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 16 lines filtered. ] Sorry to post again on this so soon, but upon closer inspection of the pics on ebay I noticed this 110 was CA registered and it looks like the sticker was from sometime recently. I now also swear I've seen that 110 rear before, same sticker on the right hand window and everything. Does this truck look familiar to anyone else? Anyone know the details? jpipes From bens Tue Dec 3 01:01:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB361J216994 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 01:01:19 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 01:01:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200212030601.gB361IR16990@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: NCRC holiday party - Land Rover videos Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have them. Haven't looked at them. I can bring a copy as well as a couple of Camel Trophy videos on VHS. -->Jeff on 12/2/02 10:55 AM, Jon Turner at j.turner@ieee.org wrote: > > Who has the videos that Bill Burke donated to the club? I forget what they > were but would they be worth viewing? > > From bens Tue Dec 3 01:14:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB36Eht17065 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 01:14:43 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 01:14:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200212030614.gB36Eg917061@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shane Ballensky To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Burned out NAS 110 on ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I can tell you that the seller is the one person/company that buys all the wrecked Defenders that go through auction. His prices are outrageous and if the price for this 110 is anything like his previously priced defenders I would guess his reserve around 20K. Basically there is no way to fix the vehicles he sells without paying as much as you would for a defender in good condition to start with and in the end you have a salvaged titled defender that's only worth 60% of a clean titled defender. At 10:00 PM 12/2/02, you wrote: > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ Included Original Message ] > [ 16 lines filtered. ] >Sorry to post again on this so soon, but upon closer inspection of the pics >on ebay I noticed this 110 was CA registered and it looks like the sticker >was from sometime recently. I now also swear I've seen that 110 rear before, >same sticker on the right hand window and everything. Does this truck look >familiar to anyone else? Anyone know the details? > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Shane From bens Tue Dec 3 01:23:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB36N7917118 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 01:23:07 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 01:23:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200212030623.gB36N7B17114@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shane Ballensky To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Burned out NAS 110 on ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org here's the guys website only asking 22,5K www.maxcar.net From bens Tue Dec 3 02:13:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB37DTa17332 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 02:13:29 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 02:13:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200212030713.gB37DTE17328@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Burned out NAS 110 on ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I just looked at every wreck on his web page.... its funny how he say things like for instance: right hand door damaged..... then you look at the picture and the frame is bent, the door, is wacked, the whole body is tweaked etc... Almost all the rovers in the pics ( besides the burned one ) have been rolled if you look closely.. The yellow Ferrari is a laugh! Front end Damage it says: it looks like a train hit it! frames mangled, the whole front suspension is a pretzel! and then theres a pic of a new hood, two lights and 2 fenders, all for like 45K what a bargain! as if a new hood is gonna fix that thing! I hope his cash is tied up in inventory and nobody buys em! TomW, in-between changing diapers! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Ballensky" To: Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 10:23 PM Subject: RE: Burned out NAS 110 on ebay > > here's the guys website > only asking 22,5K > > www.maxcar.net > From bens Tue Dec 3 08:16:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB3DGFg19076 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:16:15 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:16:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200212031316.gB3DGEw19072@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: RE: Burned out NAS 110 on ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Too bad the asking price is not more reasonable, it could make a good starting point for someone wanting to do a diesel conversion. From bens Tue Dec 3 10:37:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB3FbcK19845 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:37:38 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:37:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200212031537.gB3FbcA19841@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Cayenne (no LRC) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Is anyone else getting bombarded with expensive junk mail every two weeks on this Porsche Cayenne coming out? It occurred to me a few months ago that I should have been saving all this stuff in the un-opened cellophane to sell on E-bay for some outrageous price in 50 years....But anyway.... Yesterday's package was a video. Very nice. Spec sheets and pictures in books never did justice to real sports cars. Now granted, this thing is a Subaru Outback on steroids, and really has no reason to exist other than pure capitalist market pressure "If You Build It, They Will Buy!" But I have to admire the spirit of commitment that Porsche put in to do this to the max. The Turbo version with all the bells and whistles is a real engineering marvel. Ten inches of ground clearance in "extended" mode, six user adjustable suspension heights, a low range transfer case with lockable center differential, Tiptronic transmission, 450 HP and over 400 ftlb of torque available from around 2500 RPM (gotta love variable cam phasing), 7,000 lb towing capacity (braked) with a POWER RETRACTABLE hitch! 30,000 km service intervals (including oil change), and a neat version of a dry sump scavenging system for the engine to make it able to handle steep gradients without losing oil supply. Other than the fact you can't get big tires on it and the approach/departure angles are in the 25-30 degree range, it's a pretty neat car. All of this is notwithstanding it will probably stick to a C5 'vette on a road course. Pretty cool. Tom Walsh, you need to buy one of these and bring it to Mendo. :^)))) -Dave G. From bens Tue Dec 3 10:59:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB3FxpA20096 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:59:51 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:59:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200212031559.gB3FxoE20092@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: RE: Cayenne (no LRC) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 42 lines filtered. ] Nothing on the Cayenne, but I remember getting the same sort of thing years ago when MB was developing their SUV. From bens Tue Dec 3 11:13:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB3GDtB20203 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:13:55 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:13:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200212031613.gB3GDt620199@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: SII generator wanted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Mehdi, I have several land rover generator belt adjusters. Flat, about 6" long. two are slightly triangular and one is straight. Same otherwise. Maybe I'll put them on the scanner to send you. Also I find that I have a good generator from my 69. Did you say that you also need a generator? What do you mean by a "short" pulley? Is this the narrow one? I don't have any pulleys separate, but the gen has the thin pulley. Bob B At 07:25 PM 12/2/2002, you wrote: >It is the top part. It bolts to the water pump and has along oval for the >generator adjustment. It is a bit on the tin side, hence broken on one of >the lip around the oval. If you have it would be great, otherwise I'll have >it machined. Do you have any short generator pulley? >Mehdi > >- >-Hi Mehdi, >-When I figure out what part of the bracket you need, I will go out and [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Dec 3 11:17:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB3GH8u20245 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:17:08 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:17:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200212031617.gB3GH7D20241@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Burned out NAS 110 on ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John, That's pretty funny. I was looking at the pictures thinking that it would be anice candidate for a 350 SBC conversion. Hehe. Michael >From: "Jon Turner" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: >Subject: RE: Burned out NAS 110 on ebay >Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:16:14 -0500 > >Too bad the asking price is not more reasonable, it could make a good >starting point for someone wanting to do a diesel conversion. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From bens Tue Dec 3 11:28:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB3GSOS20333 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:28:24 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:28:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200212031628.gB3GSOc20329@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mojave - chomping at the bit..... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....Basically what we have is a support group for map readers..." Hello, my name is Dave, and I have a problem... -Dave G. From bens Tue Dec 3 11:54:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB3GsB320580 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:54:11 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:54:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200212031654.gB3GsBq20576@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mojave - chomping at the bit..... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Nah... we need a support group for those who can't look at a map or a web site and dream of traveling. I've got friends who are on their 4th year of their round the world trip. Their latest chapter was boating up the Amazon which can be read at http://www.ultimatejourney.com/chap132.html I forwarded this link to my father, I knew what his reaction would be.... "if I ever get the chance". When we spoke last night, he asked if Sandy would help us arrange such a trip. Of course she is happy to do so but the question is will he ever get the chance to take it! My mother has dementia/Alzheimer's and my father is her fulltime care-giver. By sending him interesting links, it gives him the chance to live through others' adventures. But, I always hold out that little bit of hope that we'll get the chance to take a nice long boat ride up the Amazon some day..... don't be surprised if it's next year too...one way or another. :-) Cheers, Gerry PHX AZ "....Basically what we have is a support group for map readers..." Hello, my name is Dave, and I have a problem... -Dave G. From bens Tue Dec 3 12:38:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB3Hc3U20917 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:38:03 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:38:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200212031738.gB3Hc2L20913@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mojave - chomping at the bit..... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...it gives him the chance to live through others' adventures...." And me too Gerry. Thanks for the links! Some can do. Most must dream. -Dave G. From bens Tue Dec 3 13:49:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB3InUm21549 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 13:49:30 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 13:49:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200212031849.gB3InUA21545@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hannaford, Morgan" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: NCRC Holiday party menu Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The caterer has agreed to make a portion of Veggie Pepper Pot Stew and Jerk Stuffed Portobella as a vegetarian main dish. There will only be enough for those who requested veggie in their RSVP. The rest of the menu is the same. I can still take RSVPs if you plan to come. We'll look forward to seeing you all at the Danville Grange around 4pm! It's easy to find - Take the Diablo Rd. exit off 680 in Danville - head East (towards Mt. Diablo). It is about 3 miles from the freeway on the right. There is lots of parking in the back. -Mo From bens Tue Dec 3 14:28:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB3JSlQ21818 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:28:47 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:28:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200212031928.gB3JSl521814@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: "SUV" haters (long) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Good discussion on this -- I too agree it would be nice to have a smaller car as well to drive when not going off road, but running another vehicle is expensive. We should naturally do all we can to save gas and further reduce emissions, but not because of global warming. (IMHO from investigating it at some length, global warming is definitely "junk science". There is no global warming, and furthermore we are overdue for another ice age. (Which would you prefer?) For one skeptic's view, and some interesting data, have a look at http://www.vision.net.au/~daly/ ) Cheers John Peter Ogilvie wrote: >I heard somewhere that the average human produces more >CO2 in a day than a car. Don't know the details as it >could have been based on average daily use of both. >If true, it just backs up the fact that much of the >green house gases are produced by overpopulation in >3rd world countries. Overpopulation in these >countries is also responsible for much of the >deforestation and endangering of species. One of the >big things wrong with Kyoto is that it attempted to [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Dec 3 14:39:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB3JdlR21881 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:39:47 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:39:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200212031939.gB3Jdl221877@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: RE: Radar Detectors Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was waiting to read this because it's also my experience during a few "discover America" trips in my since sold '60 Corvette (modified 350 & 3.08 posi). "Instant on" radar is simply unbeatable when no one is out in front of you on lonely highways when you're traveling at high speed. If you do know of another car a few miles ahead, you usually end up passing it because you're driving so damn fast! Also, I found that a convertable is a great vehicle for extremely quick travel because it's easier to keep tabs on the occasional tracking airplane hiding over your shoulder. Joe Mulqueen (just came back from chugging over the Grapevine with my 2.25L). Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:29:00 -0500 From: "Gomes, David" Subject: RE: Radar Detectors .......Then there's the fact that no radar detector can save you from the guys that know how to use "instant on" very effectively. No emissions until they're clocking YOU. That's the advantage of a detector with long legs like the Bell, and probably the Valentine, has. You can catch even the instant on guys if they're trigger happy, by picking up their signature as they clock someone a mile or two ahead of you...... __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Tue Dec 3 16:33:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB3LXuE22713 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:33:56 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:33:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200212032133.gB3LXu022709@minbar.fourfold.org> From: charles phu To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: 6 cyl. 109" springs question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 11 lines filtered. ] I've got some questions about springs for 6 cyl. 109" SW (NADA) for who've got experiences on it. After finished installed the entire suspensions, my vehicle is still slightly leaning toward the left hand side (driver side), and front-to-rear is totally leveled (isn't the rear supposed to be slightly higher than the front?) I assume there might be something wrong with the springs. Per BP recommendation, I have installed 1-ton driver side spring at driver (left) front, standard 109 driver unit at passenger (right) front, and standard 109 springs in the rear, correctly handed. any comments on this? Or should I have installed heavier-duty unit at the rear left hand side? or even both side? I'd really appreciate any feedback from any of you. Thanks. Cheers, Charles Phu --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now From bens Tue Dec 3 17:34:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB3MY5423220 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 17:34:05 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 17:34:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200212032234.gB3MY5P23216@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 6 cyl. 109" springs question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, Since my initial 109 is a diesel (Gillian), it naturally is supposed to have the heavy duty springs. I also got them "sided" from BP, and while the front of the truck sat even, the rear still sagged a bit on the left side. (a RHD truck) I initially thought the chassis was tweaked badly (to know this trucks' past life is to love her), so I replaced both rear springs with a set of used NATO springs, and now the truck sits level. Last week I installed the original replacement drivers' side spring on the right side of my SW, and used a good Dormie spring that Russ gave me for the left side: same problem, the left rear is sagging. Am about to head upto BP and get another drivers' side spring for the SW, and I'll install it - and the heavy duty front springs (hopefully) tomorrow. Will let you know how it turns out. Charles On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:33:56 -0500 charles phu writes: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] > [ 11 lines filtered. ] > > > I've got some questions about springs for 6 cyl. 109" SW (NADA) for > who've got experiences on it. After finished installed the entire > suspensions, my vehicle is still slightly leaning toward the left [ 30 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Tue Dec 3 17:38:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB3Mc8A23265 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 17:38:08 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 17:38:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200212032238.gB3Mc8d23261@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 6 cyl. 109" springs question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Per BP recommendation, As much as I really like the folks at BP I totally disagree with their idea of springs. Handed springs work for front fuel tank RHD land Rovers (battery, fuel tank and driver all on one side). They are great for the home market but have no place on LHD LRs. You will have a long term list with those springs. If you contact BP, they will tell you the springs need to settle in & the vehicle will level out. I personally do not believe this. For LHD LRs I'm a strong believer in using the same springs on both sides. If it were me I would load the LR up with everything i would ever want to take off road, fill the tank then run the LR over to a public scales. Get a weight with the front wheels on the scale, then a weight with only the back wheels on the scales. With that I would pick a matched pair of springs for each end from the charts I have on my web site. http://www.cruzers.com/%7Etwakeman/LR/spring_rates.htm Rover assumes that 80% of the payload weight will be supported by the rear axles. Oh and if the springs are in like new resellable condition I would send the odd weight ones back for a trade in order to get a matched pair side to side. They are real reasonable in just about everything else but their ideas about springs just drives me crazy. Of course mine drives them crazy too. TeriAnn J. wakeman Santa Cruz, California http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman A member of the internet community since 1985. From bens Tue Dec 3 18:36:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB3NaC023641 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:36:12 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:36:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200212032336.gB3NaCb23637@minbar.fourfold.org> From: charles phu To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 6 cyl. 109" springs question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 10 lines filtered. ] Thanks TeriAnn and Charles. What you've mentioned in your emails reminds me something which might have caused the issue. I don't know if this is what a NADA 6 109 usually is set up, but I have the only fuel tank in the rear end between the frame rails, also the battery sitting under the driver seat. These are what I can think of what makes the vehicle sagging to the left. If this sounds like a reason, I'll probably have BP exchange one of the springs, (I am thinking) either downgrade the front right one from the current standard driver unit down to std passenger unit, or upgrade the rear left spring from current std driver one up to a heavier duty one. BTW, eventually, I might end up loading a little more stuff than usual in this truck to meet my future future plan. So far BP has sounded like they might be willing to exchange springs to resolve my issue, so hopefully... Charles Phu --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now From bens Tue Dec 3 20:42:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB41gQQ24311 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:42:26 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:42:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200212040142.gB41gQd24307@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: mojave road info needed Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello and sorry to bring this up..I thought I stored the info.... Is there a website that details the schedule for this yrs Mojave Road trip? If not, someone please email me the info so I can have it and also fwd to Michael Bellingham with his '66 SIIA 88. Thanks, Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Tue Dec 3 20:43:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB41hpF24331 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:43:51 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:43:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200212040143.gB41hpO24327@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Matt W" To: Subject: WAS Re: Mojave - chomping at the bit..... NOW Maps..... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org if you think you have a problem with maps, dont open this site..... http://www.geocaching.com two weeks ago friend sent this to me, I now have an etrex legend and have bagged four cache's Matt W who might be setting his first GeoCache on the Mojave road.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gomes, David" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 8:28 AM Subject: RE: Mojave - chomping at the bit..... > > "....Basically what we have is a support group for map readers..." > > Hello, my name is Dave, and I have a problem... > > -Dave G. > From bens Tue Dec 3 20:59:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB41xSr24419 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:59:28 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:59:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200212040159.gB41xSw24415@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: RE: WAS Re: Mojave - chomping at the bit..... NOW Maps..... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 33 lines filtered. ] EXACTLY! Armando, Petra and I were mulling over Geocaching back during the Nevada trip in July, it looks/seems really neat!! jpipes From bens Tue Dec 3 21:04:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB4249k24458 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 21:04:09 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 21:04:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200212040204.gB4249724454@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: RE: Burned out NAS 110 on ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In addition to fire consuming the high dollar part/labor items under the hood and dash, the interior will always reek unless every scrap of interior is replaced. Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW (who gave away a low mileage MB after an engine fire) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Tue Dec 3 21:27:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB42RvW24567 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 21:27:57 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 21:27:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200212040227.gB42RuO24563@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: 110s Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org For all these stories about 110s catchin fire or needin long haul tow homes, I have a solution: Any 110 owners (offer avail only to yous on this list!) who'd like to arrange a trade for my simple "fix it yurself with a crescent wrench", 4 cyl 109 Station Wagon, please contact me. Joe Mulqueen (just kidding!) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Tue Dec 3 22:02:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB432LW24725 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:02:21 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:02:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200212040302.gB432Lu24721@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: NOW Maps..... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm really ambivalent about maps, even though I always carry them. Yes they help you find places, but that is exactly the point! Maps create destinations and a mindset of getting from here to there. I'm not sure having a designation is all that desirable when you are traveling. It seems like you can miss so much by being on the way somewhere. Conversely you can miss a lot of somewheres by not knowing they are there. Like I said I'm ambivalent about them. I believe that destinations should be optional and not necessarily desirable. TeriAnn J. Wakeman Santa Cruz, California twakeman@cruzers.com http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Tue Dec 3 23:45:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB44jmm25481 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:45:48 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:45:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200212040445.gB44jmd25477@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Matt W" To: Subject: Re: NOW Maps..... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Great point! I would never want to ruin a perfectly good outing/trip because "We didn't get to point B" What I find Maps do is get me thinking about leaving point A (the couch) and hopefully arriving at point C (home/cold beer) Wow, I don't think I could have said point anymore times!...Grin Seriously, the Geo Caching thing is fun, for us to do as a family, unlike Labrador retrievers, kids need a little prodding to hit the trail and the thought of treasure buried or otherwise seams to keep them motivated to hike farther than a half mile... Cant wait to meet you in Mojave Well my wife just yelled Land Rover she must be watching Jeff Corwin Gotta go... ----- Original Message ----- From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 7:02 PM Subject: Re: NOW Maps..... > > I'm really ambivalent about maps, even though I always carry them. Yes > they help you find places, but that is exactly the point! Maps create > destinations and a mindset of getting from here to there. I'm not sure > having a designation is all that desirable when you are traveling. It > seems like you can miss so much by being on the way somewhere. > Conversely you can miss a lot of somewheres by not knowing they are > there. Like I said I'm ambivalent about them. > [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Dec 3 23:50:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB44olm25531 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:50:47 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:50:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200212040450.gB44olC25527@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 6 cyl. 109" springs question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/enriched; ] [ 55 lines filtered. ] --Apple-Mail-14-540744430 charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > I'd really appreciate any feedback from any of you. Thanks. > > > > Cheers, > > > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Charles, My first response is not meant to be flippant, but you've got a 35 yo Land Rover. How bad is the lean? Like TeriAnn, I don't think the old argument about spring handedness makes sense. I drive the Dormie and Stubby, and weigh 150 pounds. The truck weighs 4000, and the springs are balanced that well? I don't think so. I don't think Parabolics are handed and they're supposed to be the greatest new thing (now somewhat old). I have one ton rears on the Dormie and they lift the truck. In the front are probably handed 6 cyl springs. I don't know for sure as I haven't changed them. But the dormie sits straight, butt slightly up. Stubby with new parabolics sits pretty straight and flat. good luck, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem --Apple-Mail-14-540744430 From bens Wed Dec 4 00:09:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB459ss25790 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 00:09:54 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 00:09:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200212040509.gB459sn25786@minbar.fourfold.org> From: SFmms@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Springs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 10 lines filtered. ] Charles Phu writes: > So far BP has sounded like they might be willing to exchange springs to > resolve my issue, so hopefully... > I had the same problem with one of my new rear springs from BP on my SIII 88. It developed a significant list toward the rear corner on the drivers side within a month or so after putting it on. I drove it back to BP and showed them and they gave me a new spring. Figured it was an improper heat treat or some other QC issue. Karen Sindir From bens Wed Dec 4 01:10:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB46Apm27259 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 01:10:51 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 01:10:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200212040610.gB46AoT27255@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "David Pearce" To: Subject: Re: Alternator Rebuild Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks. I ended up picking up a rebuild at Woodland Autoparts in San Rafael. They had it in stock and it was more affordable than the other options. In the short term, that is. I do have a new battery, less than a year, and so far it is running great. My commute is about 95 miles a day and I drove the Range Rover today without any problems. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Johnson" To: Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 7:54 AM Subject: Re: Alternator Rebuild > > If it's a good shop, they will recognize that the diodes in the Lucas > are too small. If they don't know that or can't figure that out, they > aren't a good shop. > If you have a good battery, the Lucas is O.K. If your battery is older > or marginal, the Lucas has to run more often, leading to it's untimely > demise. The diodes aren't up to the task. > > >>> dpearce23@attbi.com 11/29/02 09:02PM >>> [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Dec 4 02:48:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB47mdv27667 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 02:48:39 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 02:48:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200212040748.gB47mdR27663@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: RE: Rosencrantz on the road Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >then the Engine (yikes). Chris, if I remember the story right, all the work you did on it, started with a valve problem with the engine. I guess you will be starting a second cycle soon! Mehdi From bens Wed Dec 4 09:30:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB4EU9Y29625 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:30:09 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:30:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200212041430.gB4EU9e29621@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: WAS Re: Mojave - chomping at the bit..... NOW Maps..... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Like everything else, geocaching is drawing the attention of those "who only want to protect the wilderness". They're contending that a lot of areas are being destroyed by people looking for trinkets hidden away. In some cases, the criticism is probably deserved but not to the extent that they're claiming. Cheers, Gerry :EXACTLY! Armando, Petra and I were mulling over Geocaching back during the :Nevada trip in July, it looks/seems really neat!! From bens Wed Dec 4 09:55:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB4EtlD29804 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:55:47 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:55:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200212041455.gB4Etl929800@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: NOW Maps..... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....Maps create destinations and a mindset of getting from here to there...." No TeriAnn! Guns don't kill people! People kill people! :^))) The mind set is just that. Purely in the mind. The paper or laptop can't "create" it if it's not there. For my own use, the maps alert me to the potential for interesting things that are out of sight, and give me a general idea what direction to wander next. I don't know how many times I've said, "I wonder what this little green square is...lets check it out." or " Look at how this lies, I bet there's a great view off over there." I think it IS generally a good idea to stay away from "road" maps though. No sense leaving a loaded gun lying around. :^) -Dave G. From bens Wed Dec 4 10:03:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB4F3Ru29841 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:03:27 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:03:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200212041503.gB4F3Rg29837@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: 6 cyl. 109" springs question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have to throw in with TAW on this one too - don't tell Steve, or it'll be perceived as some kind of personal attack! :^))) - RHD truck with battery, fuel tank, driver, and t-case all offset right need handed springs. LHD trucks, and especially SWs with only a rear fuel tank, are very well balanced right to left and shouldn't have handed springs. This holds true for coilers as well and is the reason Bill Davis separates the OME springs he sells into full sets of "right hand" and "left hand" springs and re-boxes them before he sells them. Also as TAW said, the very best way to buy springs is by knowing the loaded and unloaded corner weights of your own vehicle and springing to suit. -Dave G. From bens Wed Dec 4 10:31:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB4FVw630134 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:31:58 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:31:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200212041531.gB4FVvO30130@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Rosencrantz on the road Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mehdi Saghafi wrote: >>then the Engine (yikes). >> >> >Chris, if I remember the story right, all the work you did on it, started >with a valve problem with the engine. I guess you will be starting a second >cycle soon! >Mehdi > > I'm deep into the second cycle now. The work is better this time--partly because Sean has done some of it and partly because I have more experience. Last night while leaving my "marked" parking place at work (identifiable by the oil stain on the tarmac), I heard the tell-tale "clunk" of a broken half-shaft. I pushed the read lever forward (wishfully thinking it might have kicked into neutral) and nothing happened. I then pushed in the yellow knob and it moved. So, I now have a nice front-wheel-drive IIA until I can put new half-shafts in. I've been squeeling the tyres, though. Have any of you done that when in front-wheel-drive? C PS Was on my way to dinner with colleagues visiting from the UK at the time. They were somewhat bewhildered at my casual attitude regarding the situation. From bens Wed Dec 4 10:34:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB4FYTX30238 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:34:29 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:34:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200212041534.gB4FYT730234@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 6 cyl. 109" springs question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have to chime in here: My Gillian is RHD, and it actually listed badly to the left when I installed new springs: since I was "stupid" back then, I didn't think that it could have been the springs (yup - I did install them on the correct sides), and this was waaaaaaay before I installed the left tank. Like I said - I always thought the chassis was tweaked, but after putting the NATO springs on, I find that the chassis is just fine...except for all the patches in it, the new sections, and the outrigger that isn't there, and the holes in it, and....... I also have to ask - what the heck is all this gobbledegook about leaving the bolts loose so that the springs can settle!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Isn't this kinda like buying the Brooklyn Bridge, or something? I mean, you don't do this with a Chevy, or any other car that I know of. The shackle is a pivot point - thus, it is supposed to move freely: if it doesn't, then the bolts are too tight. (if this were not true, there would be no need for having the shackle at all) Just my .02 cents... Charles On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:03:27 -0500 "Gomes, David" writes: > > I have to throw in with TAW on this one too - don't tell Steve, or > it'll be > perceived as some kind of personal attack! :^))) - RHD truck with > battery, > fuel tank, driver, and t-case all offset right need handed springs. > LHD > trucks, and especially SWs with only a rear fuel tank, are very well > balanced right to left and shouldn't have handed springs. [ 14 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Wed Dec 4 10:56:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB4FulZ30481 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:56:47 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:56:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200212041556.gB4FulH30477@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: 6 cyl. 109" springs question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....The shackle is a pivot point - thus, it is supposed to move freely: if it doesn't, then the bolts are too tight...." As the Avis folks say, "Not exactly..." :^) If you can bind the shackle by tightening the bolts, then you have other more serious problems like short sleeves or grooves worn in your shackles. When you tighten the shackle bolts to their full torque, you should have clamped solid the outer shackle, to the inner sleeve, to the inner shackle. This assembly must be tight in order for the stock bushings to work in the manner they're intended to. The outer sleeve on the stock bushings is a press fit to the chassis (or spring). When the shackle rotates, the fact that the inner bushing is "attached" to the shackle, the inner and outer sleeves bonded to the rubber bushing, and the outer sleeve pressed into the chassis, means that the rubber bushing is serving as another "spring", trying to minimize torque stress within the rubber by centering the shackle. All this can best be seen by tightening up the shackle on a good bushing, with no spring attached to the shackle, and then levering the shackle back and forth. It always returns to center. This is why you have to let the truck settle with the bolts loose. So that the inner sleeve can stay stationary while the shackle rotates to the point that it is in it's "natural" angle to the chassis and spring, under your own truck's static loaded condition. You then tighten the bolts so the bushings can begin to do their jobs properly. If you tighten the bolts with the truck up on stands, the bushings will be unduly pre-loaded with torque after the truck settles to the ground, and the springs settle in a bit, etc. This results in shortened bushing life. All of this of course presumes the use of stock type "metalastic" bonded rubber bushings. If you're using poly bushes where the inner sleeves are MEANT to rotate within the bushings, then there's no sweat tightening them right up before you drop the truck onto it's wheels. The sleeve will be "attached" to the shackle, but the polybushes are not bonded to the sleeve, so the assembly can settle without stressing the elastomer. And in the same vein, if you're using the stock rubber bushings, it's a good idea to loosen and re-tighten the shackle bolts (while the truck is unloaded and parked on a level surface) once every 500 miles or so until the springs have settled. Keep those bushings from getting "stressed out". :^) But the bottom line is there really isn't such a condition as the shackle bolts being "too tight" when all the components are in good nick and working properly, whether you're talking rubber or poly bushings. -Dave G. From bens Wed Dec 4 11:22:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB4GMV430695 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:22:31 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:22:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200212041622.gB4GMUs30691@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 6 cyl. 109" springs question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Wednesday, December 4, 2002, at 07:34 AM, Charles R Irvin wrote: > > I also have to ask - what the heck is all this gobbledegook about > leaving > the bolts loose so that the springs can settle!?!?!?!?!?!?!? if I remember the manual, it basically says drive around the block with the bolts untightened then tighten them down. i believe it is mostly to put drivers weight & settle the new connections before clamping the sides of the hangers to the bushings. They claim if you do not do this the bushings could end up distorted & subject to early failure. Not wanting to replace frame bushings I just follow the manual and never tested this. I agree there are a couple things in the manual I scratch my head at too, but I follow them anyway. TeriAnn J. Wakeman Santa Cruz, California twakeman@cruzers.com http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Wed Dec 4 11:40:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB4Gepf30860 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:40:51 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:40:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200212041640.gB4GepZ30856@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 6 cyl. 109" springs question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave & TeriAnn, I decided to take a looksee in the "white bible", and see what it sez: basically, you're almost correct - but the truck does not have to be driven, but only "...moved bodily back and forth...". I too wonder about this, as the bushings are similar to what I've seen on other cars, and this type of method is not required on them. ...perhaps Land Rover engineers goofed on this, as well as those weak axle shafts??? (why on Earth do they still sell those axle shafts anyway?) Charles On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:22:30 -0500 TeriAnn Wakeman writes: > > > On Wednesday, December 4, 2002, at 07:34 AM, Charles R Irvin wrote: > > > > > I also have to ask - what the heck is all this gobbledegook about > > leaving > > the bolts loose so that the springs can settle!?!?!?!?!?!?!? > [ 31 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Wed Dec 4 12:11:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB4HBrQ31127 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:11:53 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:11:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200212041711.gB4HBrb31123@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 6 cyl. 109" springs question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > ...perhaps Land Rover engineers goofed on this, as well as those weak > axle shafts??? (why on Earth do they still sell those axle shafts > anyway?) 'cause lots of owners never get around to upgrading their rear axles. At least they fixed the problem starting with series III when Salisbury became the standard rear axle for 109s. TeriAnn J. Wakeman Santa Cruz, California twakeman@cruzers.com http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Wed Dec 4 12:12:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB4HCvO31145 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:12:57 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:12:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200212041712.gB4HCuu31141@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Tom Gross To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: NADA 6cyl springs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, My NADA 6cyl leaned toward the left quite a bit with my old standard springs. I replaced them with parabolics, 2 leaf front, 4 leaf rear. It still leaned a bit. I put military shackles on the left side. That evened it up pretty well. Your truck has the engine offset to the left, has the battery under the left seat, has the steering on the left, has the toolbox on the left, has you on the left. If you've got a Dormobile, you've got the sink-stove unit on the left. The only compensating sprung weight to the right of center that I can remember is the lower end of the transfer case and the drive shafts. I don't know if handed springs would help since I haven't had any experience with them. I just assume it's just going to lean a little with unhanded springs. It would be interesting to see just how much weight difference there is right-to-left in addition to front-to-back. Tom From bens Wed Dec 4 12:14:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB4HEHr31166 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:14:17 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:14:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200212041714.gB4HEGB31162@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 6 cyl. 109" springs question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If you tighten the shackle bolts while the wheels are off the ground, you will preload torque into the bushings. Bushings are not designed for this strain especially when bushing torque is aggravated by spring compression in use. Book says to tighten shackles with springs carrying vehicle weight. Driving it around a bit gives the leaves a chance to settle into their normal position. Something that is not inconsequential if there is inter leaf friction (can you say 'typical rusty rover spring pack'). The bushings should have no torque or twist on them while the vehicle is at rest with a normal load. The main reason they keep manufacturing 10 spline axles is to keep all those trucks running after they break an axle. If there weren't replacements, almost all of our trucks would be yard ornaments. The real question is, "Why did they keep making 10 spline differentials that require the weak 10 spline axles." Another case of tradition in the British auto industry, "if it's breaks regularly, don't redesign it." Aloha Peter O. --- Charles R Irvin wrote: > > Dave & TeriAnn, > > I decided to take a looksee in the "white bible", > and see what it sez: > basically, you're almost correct - but the truck > does not have to be > driven, but only "...moved bodily back and > forth...". [ 33 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Wed Dec 4 12:45:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB4Hju231433 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:45:56 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:45:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200212041745.gB4HjuP31429@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 6 cyl. 109" springs question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200212041711.gB4HBrb31123@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > ...perhaps Land Rover engineers goofed on this, as well as those weak > axle shafts??? (why on Earth do they still sell those axle shafts > anyway?) I've had 4 LR axle shafts break on me. Two were original and two were parts that I bought. All four failed with fatigue fractures. That's bad metalurgy, not a strength issue. I have seen one that Charlie Haigh has, and that one had 2+ full rotations in in before breaking. That's a completely different failure mode. 10 to 20 years ago people used to sell hardened LR 10 spline axles. They lasted much longer, but when they broke they shattered and typically destroyed the diff as well. The Salisubury axles don't tend to break, but I don't know if that is because they are stronger, use better metals, or both. Ben From bens Wed Dec 4 12:48:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB4Hml831490 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:48:47 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:48:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200212041748.gB4Hmlg31486@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Joe Ward To: mendo_recce-digest@fourfold.org Subject: 88 brake shoes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org BP sent me the wrong part. Anybody in the Bay Area need a set of brake shoes for an 88? Mintex part #STC2796G. ~$38+tax. Joe '67 109 NADA SW From bens Wed Dec 4 12:54:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB4HsJF31546 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:54:19 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:54:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200212041754.gB4HsIo31542@minbar.fourfold.org> From: charles phu To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 6 cyl. 109" springs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 11 lines filtered. ] >Charles, My first response is not meant to be flippant, but you've got a 35 yo Land Rover. How bad is the lean? John- By eyeballing, it leans towards the driver side (left) by about 1.5-2 inches in height, which is about 2 degrees, unloaded. It’d even a bit more with driver in. What some of you taking comment on handed springs for LHD makes sense. What really is a question about my truck with new springs now is-even with one-ton driver spring on the front left (I suppose it’s heavier rated) and std driver unit on the right and regular rear ones, the truck still leans towards the left as I described. The only possibility I can think of is like something what Karen had, maybe some defective item or something like that. Thanks, Charles --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now From bens Wed Dec 4 12:59:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB4HxCO31588 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:59:12 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:59:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200212041759.gB4HxCV31584@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Say it ain't so Soihull! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 54 lines filtered. ] --------------030004090102090702030500 The 4Runner also has more ground clearance, and an option of rear air springs with cross-coupling (like the 2003 Range Rover has front and reaR). Cheers John jarrod wyrick wrote: >Wow! Will a 03' 4runner out 4x4 a disco? The new 4 runner has >limited-slip center diff, a version of HDC, and a version of ETC. I >know there are other factors like suspension travel, but it looks like >the Disco's tech advantage is going away. > >I know my transfer case has the option of enabling the CDL at the >expense of my warranty. However, 02-? will not have that ability? Not >Good! > [ 21 additional quoted lines pruned. ] --------------030004090102090702030500 From bens Wed Dec 4 13:08:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB4I8iw31669 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:08:44 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:08:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200212041808.gB4I8iV31665@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Casey McMullen" To: Subject: RE: 88 brake shoes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ooh, ooh, I do, I do! I was planning to order a set, but you can save me the trouble. I am in Mountain View, where are you? -Casey '72 88 From bens Wed Dec 4 13:15:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB4IF4H31708 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:15:04 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:15:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200212041815.gB4IF4n31704@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bruce Grove To: "mendo_recce@fourfold.org" Subject: Shipping parts from UK Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi all, does anyone have any advice, stories, tales of woe/success on shipping parts from the UK? I think I need a new steering pump on the Disco and prices here seem to be around $450 where as I could purchase one in the UK for about 180UKP ($300) and then ship it here ($50) which is a pretty reasonable saving. Cheers, Bruce From bens Wed Dec 4 13:25:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB4IPqU31791 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:25:52 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:25:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200212041825.gB4IPqi31787@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: Shipping parts from UK Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > ($300) and then ship it here ($50) which is a pretty > reasonable saving. I guess it depends on the shipping your supplier is using. Ask how they ship. When I bought a bunch of Morris parts which came in a box about 6X2X2, and weighed about 35 lbs, I was charged ~100lbs. They sent it air, and I got it in 5 days! I just got a quote from exmoore, for the mat sets that Joe M had talked about and they want ~100lbs for shipping them, although I didn't ask what method that was. -Rob From bens Wed Dec 4 13:27:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB4IRPm31826 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:27:25 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:27:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200212041827.gB4IRPJ31822@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: NADA 6cyl springs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Interesting discussion...my battery in both trucks is on the right! (I presume that only the 6 cylinder trucks have the battery underneath the seat???) Another possibility: perhaps the springs are labelled wrong? Since most people that have installed the springs correctly tend to have their trucks lean - usually to the left, that maybe they're just labelled wrong? Gillian did it, and she's RHD (mind you - I'm 276lbs by myself!). All I know, is that I have to buy another spring... :( Off to BP now... Charles On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:12:56 -0500 Tom Gross writes: > > Charles, > > My NADA 6cyl leaned toward the left quite a bit with my old standard > springs. I replaced them with parabolics, 2 leaf front, 4 leaf > rear. It > still leaned a bit. I put military shackles on the left side. That > evened > it up pretty well. Your truck has the engine offset to the left, [ 20 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Wed Dec 4 13:28:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB4ISme31841 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:28:48 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:28:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200212041828.gB4ISlS31837@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 6 cyl. 109" springs question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > In message <200212041711.gB4HBrb31123@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > > >>...perhaps Land Rover engineers goofed on this, as well as those weak >>axle shafts??? (why on Earth do they still sell those axle shafts >>anyway?) I did a class project on this a couple of years ago for my fracture mechanics class. If you have an 88 with a stock engine, it is far more cost effective to replace the shafts every couple of years as a maintenance item than to upgrade the axle. And slip the clutch a lot when making standing starts on pavement. The stock ones have a high stress concentration at the splines. The splines are also a weak spot since they are cut into the shaft, rather than rolled on, so the grains are cut instead of distorted. Most cases of broken shafts I have heard of occured when pulling away from a traffic light. A few have happened off the pavement, especially when trying to climb a hill. Starting from a dead stop in 2wd on a high traction surface such as asphalt puts an enormous stress on the shaft, and this oft repeated stress causes them to fail due to fatigue. Modern US driving patterns have much more stops and starts that UK drivers typically have (can you say roundabout), especially the UK in the 1960s, so the problem did not manifest itself while Land Rover was producing these. You can get slightly higher stresses in the shafts in 1st gear 4 wheel low, but since the power is going to two axles instead of one, and you don't often pop the clutch and floor the throttle in these situations, the number of times where these stresses exceed what you do at a traffic light every day is very small. James From bens Wed Dec 4 13:34:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB4IYGN31946 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:34:16 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:34:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200212041834.gB4IYFj31942@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bruce Grove To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Shipping parts from UK Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "Kerner, Rob" wrote: > > I guess it depends on the shipping your supplier is using. Ask how they > ship. When I bought a bunch of Morris parts which came in a box about > 6X2X2, and weighed about 35 lbs, I was charged ~100lbs. They sent it > air, and I got it in 5 days! > > I just got a quote from exmoore, for the mat sets that Joe M had talked > about and they want ~100lbs for shipping them, although I didn't ask > what method that was. [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Ah, variable then.. Were there any import implications such as taxes or custom duties? Cheers, Bruce From bens Wed Dec 4 13:34:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB4IYpW31972 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:34:51 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:34:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200212041834.gB4IYpv31968@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Shipping parts from UK Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bruce, I'm presuming that the prices you have are for rebuilt, here, and new, there? If so, then it's a good deal if you can wait upto a week or two for it to show up, but if you need one NOW - or the prices are both for rebuilt, then you may as well have yours rebuilt by a local shop. It's a toss-up: most "consumables" to me anyway, are better off being rebuilt, unless you can get a screamin' deal on, say, (for example) a new Series water pump vs. what they go for here. In the end, $50.00 is still $50.00, however, when ordering from the U.K., the savings that you expect to get inevitably winds up being spent on something else, "since I'm ordering stuff anyway, I can also get this......." is usually the battle cry to be heard for miles around. :) Charles On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:15:04 -0500 Bruce Grove writes: > > > Hi all, > > does anyone have any advice, stories, tales of woe/success on > shipping > parts from the UK? > > I think I need a new steering pump on the Disco and prices here seem [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Wed Dec 4 13:40:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB4Iebp32029 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:40:37 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:40:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200212041840.gB4IeaT32025@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: Shipping parts from UK Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org , however, when ordering > from the U.K., the savings that you expect to get inevitably > winds up being spent on something else, "since I'm ordering > stuff anyway, I can also get this......." is usually the > battle cry to be heard for miles around. > That's so true its not even funny. The previous Morris Minor order started because this place could get me a rear view mirror which has been non existent for some time. That part was 20lbs. But you can't just order one part because then you are loosing out on the shipping, so I added all new brakes from master to lines, to springs to cylinders, and all new king pins and associated steering. So a 20lb order turned into a 550lb order. But what a deal, I priced the stuff from Mini Mania and would have spent close to double for the stuff I could get, and there were other things that were used that you can't get here. -Rob From bens Wed Dec 4 14:47:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB4Jlng32656 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:47:49 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:47:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200212041947.gB4JlnU32652@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Shipping parts from UK Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > does anyone have any advice, stories, tales of woe/success on shipping > parts from the UK? Some. If you are going to do it, buy as much stuff as you can or perceive you will need at one purchase. it costs a big chunk of money to ship something from the UK to North America. It adding another item to the box only increases the shipping cost a little. So the more you buy, the more items you spread the cost of shipping around. Bad things: - If they get your order wrong, it usually costs more to return the wrong item & get a "free" replacement than the part is worth. - If the item is damaged in transit, ditto above - if the item dies inside the warrenty period, ditto above - Support from the seller in relations to any questions you might have is often minimal. Pay by credit card and currency exchange is handled for you (usually for an extra charge). If your order is small enough to be shipped by express carrier such as UPS or FedEx, they take care of customs and the part often arrives on your door step faster than ground shipments from across the country. If your order is bulky there will be a lot more work & time involved. Here is the usual scenereo: Seller sends to freight forwarder who will combine it onto a pallet or larger size shipment heading to your nearest international airport. Sometimes this make take a little time. Freight forwarder gets some of the shipping $ you sent to the seller. Shipment reaches your nearest international airport and you get contacted by another freight forwarder. The second freight forwarder has kept track of your stuff when the batched shipment was unbatched. you need to go to the freight forwarder, usually with cash in hand, and ransome the paperwork. Next you take the paperwork to the warehouse where they gather up your shipment, and add custom papers to your pile. Next you go over to customs and pay customs fees. last time I looked it was 15% over a certain value. They give you a custom's release. Then you go back to the warehouse, show the custom's release papers to the person handling your stuff then you are free to load it into the back of your vehicle & leave. At the SFO airport I figure about an hour of running around, standing in lines & waiting. Bottom line: If you order a lot of things together that are way cheaper there than here, they get the order right, all the parts arrive undamaged, no parts fail early and you have no support questions, it can be a very good deal. TeriAnn J. Wakeman Santa Cruz, California http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman A member of the internet community since 1985. From bens Wed Dec 4 16:26:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB4LQ5Y01256 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:26:05 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:26:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200212042126.gB4LQ5h01252@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: RE: Shipping parts from UK Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bruce, I have 3 big orders from there, but all from Dingocroft. One came on a pellet and I had to go the airport to get it, the others fedX to my door. I did not specify fedX, but the charges were reasonable. Others are right, you need a big order to save more. i.e. 109 SW fuel neck is 38 at RN, it is 28 there (Genuine LR) part. Figure 20-50% cheaper than here, based on the part. Having got after market stuff before, I recommend to buy Genuine parts if you can. They fit better and last longer. Mehdi From bens Wed Dec 4 16:32:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB4LWgo01315 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:32:42 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:32:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200212042132.gB4LWgA01311@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bruce Grove To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Shipping parts from UK Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles R Irvin wrote: > > Bruce, > > I'm presuming that the prices you have are for rebuilt, here, and new, > there? If so, then it's a good deal if you can wait upto a week or two > for it to show up, but if you need one NOW - or the prices are both for > rebuilt, then you may as well have yours rebuilt by a local shop. > Oh, erm, "bad Dobby", it never even occurred to me to rebuild it. Prior to the Disco I spent my head under the bootlid of Beetle's and buses and generally found it cheaper to replace than to rebuild[1], so.... since I have spare transport lying around, where's a good place to take a steering pump and have it rebuilt, and what sort of price would that be? or is it fairly straightforward to do yourself? and :-) since this is the first vehicle with power steering that I've been inclined to work on (darn new fangled contraptions) are there any obvious other bits I should check at the same time, or possibly replace on prevantative grounds? ta muchly, Bruce (sorry for all the questions, I'm new here y'know and feel a need to catch up) [1] my pinnacle was fitting a VW camper engine 4 times in one day, alone, actually it was several engines that I happened to have lying around and I was just trying to find one that would work, when Land Rovers travel the earth they take boxes full of spare parts, when combi's travel the earth they take a spare engine and just fix whatever's broken at the next port of call :-)) From bens Wed Dec 4 16:40:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB4Le5101387 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:40:05 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:40:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200212042140.gB4Le4701383@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bruce Grove To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Shipping parts from UK Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > Thanks for that TeriAnn, I tend to accept that things like this carry an element of risk, it's similar to not buying extended warranties on electrical items, once in a blue moon I've been bitten but overall my saving far outweighs my losses. It cracks me up when BestBuy offer an extended warranty on a $50 Epson printer, the reason I was buying it was because it was cheaper than buying new ink cartridges for the previous model, when the ink runs out you sell the printer on Ebay for $30 ;-) By the time the warranty comes into effect the whole thing's obsolete anyway... But I digress, this was good advice, thanks. I'm an expat with a UK bank account so finance is easy, if I decide to place an order instead of rebuilding I'll let the list know so if anyone else in the Bay Area wants something they can investigate adding it (boy could I regret that statement, best book a container now ;-) Cheers, Bruce From bens Wed Dec 4 16:42:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB4Lgq601417 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:42:52 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:42:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200212042142.gB4LgqP01413@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bruce Grove To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Shipping parts from UK Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mehdi Saghafi wrote: > > Bruce, I have 3 big orders from there, but all from Dingocroft. One came on > a pellet and I had to go the airport to get it, the others fedX to my door. > I did not specify fedX, but the charges were reasonable. Others are right, > you need a big order to save more. i.e. 109 SW fuel neck is 38 at RN, it is > 28 there (Genuine LR) part. Figure 20-50% cheaper than here, based on the > part. Having got after market stuff before, I recommend to buy Genuine > parts if you can. They fit better and last longer. I was actually standing in Dingocroft two weeks ago but they didn't have the part I needed and I had to get on a plane before they could get it there, poor planning on my part :-) Most of Dingocroft's stuff is OEM so it should be as good as genuine LR but without paying twice the price for the little green label. Cheers, B. From bens Wed Dec 4 20:07:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB517dw02691 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:07:39 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:07:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200212050107.gB517d802687@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Shipping parts from UK Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Hi all, > >does anyone have any advice, stories, tales of woe/success on shipping >parts from the UK? > >I think I need a new steering pump on the Disco and prices here seem to >be around $450 where as I could purchase one in the UK for about 180UKP >($300) and then ship it here ($50) which is a pretty reasonable saving. > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] I've ordered a few things from the UK. Stuff that BP either didn't have or was WAY overpriced on. The only place I've dealt with is Paddocks and I've had great luck with them. You can email jenny@paddockspares.com direct if you have any questions. They have way more stuff than what is on the web page. Used goodies as well if you ask. RW -- Blaming Guns for Crime is Like Blaming Spoons for Rosie O'Donnell Being Fat From bens Wed Dec 4 21:53:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB52rH103340 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:53:17 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:53:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200212050253.gB52rHs03336@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Shipping parts from UK Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bruce, I just found the receipt for my steering pump this morning! It cost me $125.00 + tax to have mine rebuilt. It can be a small annoyance to remove/install it yourself, but it can be done, and isn't too terribly painful - that is, so long as the pump can be seen while on the engine. Charles On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:32:42 -0500 Bruce Grove writes: > > > > Charles R Irvin wrote: > > > > Bruce, > > > > I'm presuming that the prices you have are for rebuilt, here, and > new, [ 39 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Wed Dec 4 21:53:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB52rMF03348 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:53:22 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:53:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200212050253.gB52rMS03344@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Shipping parts from UK Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Now, for my more serious answers, based on my 15 years in the air cargo biz... On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:47:49 -0500 TeriAnn Wakeman writes: > > > Some. If you are going to do it, buy as much stuff as you can or > perceive you will need at one purchase. it costs a big chunk of > money > to ship something from the UK to North America. Correctamundo! ALL freight forwarders/airlines have what's known as a "volume weight", ie: a formula that tells what any given size box "should" weigh. If a package measures a foot square but weighs 1/2 a pound, they'll use this formula to decide that the box should weigh 10 pounds. If this weight is OVER their minimum rate, then you get charged on a per-pound basis. So, the more you cram into a smaller of a box, the better off you are. > - If they get your order wrong, it usually costs more to return the > wrong item & get a "free" replacement than the part is worth. True - unless it's small enough that it can simply be thrown into the mail. > - If the item is damaged in transit, ditto above > > - if the item dies inside the warrenty period, ditto above > > - Support from the seller in relations to any questions you might > have > is often minimal. Depends on the company you're dealing with: we were talking about this on the Cortina list a few weeks ago, and the general perception is that many outfits don't realize that you need the part just as badly as the guy/girl that walks upto their counter that same morning. (I'm STILL waiting for some parts from Australia for my SD1 - I ordered them in July!) > If your order is small enough to be shipped by express carrier such > as > UPS or FedEx, they take care of customs and the part often arrives > on > your door step faster than ground shipments from across the country. Correct: however, usually UPS and FedEx will send you a bill later for the customs clearance, but they normally charge @ $10.00. > Seller sends to freight forwarder who will combine it onto a pallet > or > larger size shipment heading to your nearest international airport. > > Sometimes this make take a little time. Freight forwarder gets some > of > the shipping $ you sent to the seller. Yes - this is called a Consolidation shipment, or, Consol for short, and it can save you a ton of money if you're getting a engine, gearbox, chassis, etc. Everything in the total shipment will travel under one "Master Waybill", yet each individual shipment within will have it's own "House Waybill". If you want to track the shipment, then you need the master waybill - this varies depending on what carrier is used. NOTE: each carrier (airline, shipping line, etc) has it's own 3-digit prefix that goes in front of the waybill number. A British Airways airwaybill for example, would read 125 (for BA) - then the 8-digit waybill number 1234-5678, or whatever the number would be. The House Waybill could have any one of several numbering sequences - each forwarder uses its own method/number of characters. > Shipment reaches your nearest international airport and you get > contacted by another freight forwarder. The second freight > forwarder > has kept track of your stuff when the batched shipment was > unbatched. > you need to go to the freight forwarder, usually with cash in hand, > and > ransome the paperwork. This part actually varies sometimes, and you have to be careful here: Some freight forwarders leave their entire shipment at the airlines' own warehouse, and will let their customers pick up their individual shipments. HOWEVER - I have seen some shady companies import large Consols with freight charges collect, and unless they have an account with a carrier, these carges MUST be paid before any part of the shipment is picked up, and I have seen customers walk in and write a check for $1200+, only to pick up a suitcase of personal effects, because the forwarder either didn't pay, bounced a check, or is trying to pass the charges onto the customers! If the collect airfreight carges haven't been paid by the forwarder, stop here and call 'em. DO NOT pay it for them, because it can take years to get your money back! The way that it SHOULD work, is: You pick up your own HAWB (House AirWayBill) from the freight forwarder after paying whatever their document handling fee is, go to U.S. Customs to have the HAWB "cleared" (meaning, they will let you pick up the shipment). If the cost of whatever is being shipped is more than $400, then a 2% duty is levied, which you would pay to Customs right then and there. Then, you go to the airline to pick up the shipment. The airlines charge their own document handling fee that with a decent forwarder, is paid by the forwarder: if not, then cough up another $20.00 (or whatever the HAWB fee is that they're charging now), and then they'll let you have the shipment. BTW - if you're having problems with a forwarder - and try to get the shipment without proper paperwork, forget it: most airlines are now on the U.S. Customs Automated Manifest System (AMS) - this is the database that shows what has, and what hasn't cleared Customs. > Bottom line: If you order a lot of things together that are way > cheaper there than here, they get the order right, all the parts > arrive > undamaged, no parts fail early and you have no support questions, it > > can be a very good deal. VERY true. Make sure that the part you tell them you want, is the part that you really want, and even if not in doubt, use part numbers to make it clear to everybody! Russ recently ordered things, and asked for "4 bulkhead vent hinge pins": I figure that somebody at the other end was in a hurry, and either read and/or heard "4 hinge pins" - and so he received a set of 4 brand new door hinge pins, complete with springs and balls. Since he has Series III hinges on his Dormie, these are useless to him, and so during my visit to BP today I bought a set of "bulkhead vent hinge pins" for him, and will trade. :) Charles ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Thu Dec 5 10:38:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB5FcOI08823 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:38:24 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:38:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200212051538.gB5FcO208819@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Rich Lee To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Moab Land Rover adventure. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Randy, Nice write-up! I was fortunate enough to go on one of the 5 day Land Rover Adventures in Moab in October 1996. Your write-up brought back fond memories and you observations on the incredible teaching / mentoring ability of the LRNA staff are very close to mine. On our trip, there were 10 Vehicles: 3 D90s (1 fully ARB'ed soft top and two Station Wagons) three 4.0 Range Rovers and 4 Discos (series I). Our Instructors were the best that LRNA could put together, including Tom Collins, Lea Magee, Jim Swett, Jim West, Jim Allen, Bob Burns, John "JP" Slavin, Dan Mick, Mick Hopwood and some of the LRNA "brass" (Daphne was out of the country at the time). We drove "the back way" from Grand Junction to Moab, fording a rain swollen Dolores River and taking in the sights from above Rose Garden Hill amidst snow flurries blowing off the LaSal Mts. to the south. The trip was during a "record cold spell" and we saw weather as spectacular as the scenery. I don't know if anyone on your trip did this, but Tom Collins (a superb historian....and storyteller) gave a constant lecture / travelog over our radios regarding the geology, natural history, biology and human history of the area, from the Anasazi through the boom and bust of the uranium industry. That alone was worth the trip. Of course, we also got Dan Mick's stories and folklore as well. The driving instruction really was amazing. Time and again, we were shown how subtle, elegant adjustments in steering or throttle made all the difference in getting up or down things. Every day we were behind the wheel by no later then 7:30 and were back after dark. The students always drove and we really admired the professionalism of the instructors, even when 2 of them were hanging and bouncing on the DOWNHILL side of a steeply traversing Rover to show you that it really was not about to tip over. The most amazing day for scenery was our 3rd one, when we started by exploring a deep, sandy riverbed, followed by a cave with pertoglyphs ( including an "anatomically correct" Kokopelli ) and the sight of a REAL tornado touching down somewhere between Moab and Arches N.M. ! We finished that day with Wipeout Hill (down and up) followed by Metal Masher, Mirror Gulch, Widow Maker and a view of the sunset from atop the Mesa west of town. The last full day of driving took us through Hell's Revenge and back to Grand Junction. Jim Allen was in the right seat for most of the day and I got to "mine" his knowledge of Rover mechanics for much of the day and watch him trail-fix a broken front axle on a D90 during the first 30 minutes of our lunch hour. His stories of celebrity Rover owners in the Aspen area capped a very amusing day. Aside from the broken D90 axle (believed due to a previous 20k miles of off-road abuse from the motoring press) there were no vehicle problems and all made it home without towing. All vehicles were up to the demands of the trails (and drivers) and each had their advantages due to respective wheelbases. Although my trip was "subsidized" by my wealthier guest, it would be well worth the full price, for both the learning and the savings in future vehicle damage. The best instruction outside of the LRNA crew is probably from Bill Burke, and he is probably better if you want to be fully self-sufficient. He may be leading a driving instruction / camping trip to Moab this fall and it would be well worth it if one can afford both the time and the more reasonable cost. Rover On Rich From bens Thu Dec 5 10:38:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB5FckP08838 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:38:46 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:38:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200212051538.gB5FcjJ08834@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Rich Lee To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re:Tom and Sara's new addition: Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Congratulations to the Walsh family! I am catching up with the Mendo list and just read Tom's announcement. I have actually been up the majority of the past weekend with the obstetrics portion of my practice and was wondering about the Walsh family and when they might be taking delivery. Just in case anyone has forgotten the process, this is how it usually goes: Tom may have made the initial deposit on the new acquisition, but Sara must receive most of the credit for the cost of final assembly, quality assurance, transportation and final delivery. She will most likely assume the majority of responsibility over the next several years for fuel, scheduled maintenance (as well as diagnostics and repairs), fluid changes, lubricants, cleaning, parts, accessories, insurance, towing and recovery. Quite a task, and one that is far more demanding (and rewarding) than owning any Land Rover (and Tom has owned quite a few). I don't know which is a better preparation, having children first (as we did), or having Land Rovers first (as Tom and Sara have). Sadly, I heard rumors that Tom and Family may be moving back to the greener (financial) pastures of San Diego. I regret that I did not get a chance to visit his place, even though he is just a few miles down the same road. I also regret that we didn't get a chance to explore the "secret" backroads in each other's neighborhood, oh well. Unfortunately, Uncle Roger may be right about the vehicle selection. It was only when our boys were older (2 and 5) that we were able to "downsize" from a Grand Caravan to a 7 seater Discovery. Best vehicle decision we ever made....we just ended up with a lot more on the roof. Fortunately, kids are worth all of the "sacrifices" and then some. Otherwise we wouldn't be here, right? Tom and Sara, Best wishes to your growing family, although you are already "plugged in" to your medical system you are welcome to call me for questions if you need to, providing you can get a hold of me. The advice is free but "you get what you pay for". E-mail me if you don't have current contact info. Regards, Rich Rich Lee, MD Assistant Clinical Professor Stanford Family Practice Obstetrics / Sports Medicine / Wilderness Medicine / Disaster Planning & Relief From bens Thu Dec 5 10:40:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB5Fe9g08873 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:40:09 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:40:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200212051540.gB5Fe9F08869@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Rich Lee To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Need new mud run venue. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Granny and All, For years I have mentioned to several people privately that our extended family owns a ranch near Dos Rios in Mendocino County and that I have been thinking about using the house as either a "basecamp" for local Rover adventures or as a rest / cleanup spot after a "Nur Dum" (reverse Mud Run). I would now like to go "Public" on this idea, with the hope of hosting a group of NCRC / Roverphiles at the start/finish of a worthwhile adventure. I would like to do something like what Eric and Brigid have done in their hosting of the start of the Blue Lakes run (although I'm not sure anyone could do such an excellent hosting job as they have, but it is something to aspire to). The house on our property is known as "The Wickiup". The Wickiup is located about 45 minutes NorthEast of Willits, 20 minutes east of Laytonville and 30 minutes west of Covelo and that whole area of Mendo N.F. Although it is not huge, it has 3 bedrooms , 3 bathrooms and a detached "bunkhouse "/ laundry room . Counting the sofabed, we can "sleep" 14 in proper beds and another 2 on pads in the large common room. Hence, 16 is about the maximum of compatible people we can house in bad weather. In the summer, many sleep on the deck and we have had as many as 24 (12 adults, 12 kids) over a long weekend. Before I actually offer this as a basecamp, I need to know a few things: Can anyone come up with some good routes in the nearby area? I did do a drive up Anthony Peak this fall (almost 7000' & views of the Sierras and Pacific) by way of the easy dirt road. But I was told of a "scary" direct route up an exfoliating shale ridge to the top with incredible views (some say like driving up Red Cone Peak in Colorado). I believe the road is 23N17. There are many more roads in the area, I just don't know which are the most "enjoyable". I beseech Granny (the local road guru) to think hard about the area and possible routes of interest. e.g. If he (or anyone) can come up with a contact list of land owners along the historic "Willits Road" which paralleled 101 to the east and went from Willits to Covelo, I don't mind trying to contact them to ask permission for a "historic" run. Although such a run over PRIVATE lands is unlikely, there should be numerous local public roads of interest. Does anyone know if, or when local forest service roads close in winter? How would people feel about a "parallel recce" of the area, where groups of 2 to 3 vehicles fan out to find the most interesting routes? If the group is small and/or of particularly lazy buggers, we could simply drive on some of the steeper roads on the property (about 550 acres) and clear/explore some of the old logging trails (winches and chainsaws, for sure). We could also attempt a "cheap imitation" of the Cope's fine hospitality, consisting of cheap wines, cheap cigars and hand thrown sporting clays with cheap shotguns. We could also explore some of the closed Northwestern Pacific Railway line (i.e. "Rails to Rovers" run). I am welcoming both public and private input on this, as I do intend to have some Wickiup-based Rover trips over the years. What I need now is good input with respect to when, where and who would make up the best event. Thanks, Rich Lee From bens Thu Dec 5 10:44:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB5FiaJ08963 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:44:36 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:44:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200212051544.gB5Fiar08959@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Gbrovers@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Shipping parts from UK Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 12/4/02 12:49:04 PM, twakeman@cruzers.com writes: << Bad things: - - If they get your order wrong, it usually costs more to return the wrong item & get a "free" replacement than the part is worth. - - If the item is damaged in transit, ditto above - - if the item dies inside the warrenty period, ditto above - - Support from the seller in relations to any questions you might have is often minimal. Pay by credit card and currency exchange is handled for you (usually for an extra charge). TerriAnn You are correct about all of this above stuff except that you don't have to pay an extra fee to process a credit card, its just not as good an exchange rate as a wire transfer although you don't have to pay a wire transfer fee either if you use a credit card. <> This is usually the best way to ship small stuff because having them do the customs clearing will save a bunch of money. <> If this is your usual scenario then it means you don't know what you are doing. Not to be critical but pretty much everyone that does international shipping makes the same mistakes, including me. It took me a year and a half to finally get some suitable international shipping arrangements. There are two components to international shipping. The first is the transportation costs and the second is the customs clearing costs. The first mistake most folks make is to ask what seems like a logical question "How much will it cost to transport item A from point B to point C". You will get an answer of a certain dollar amount of say $200 and you assume it will cost you $200 - Wrong! You are getting quoted the transportation costs. You usually have to specificly ask - "and how much is the customs clearing going to be?". A good rule of thumb is to assume it will always cost more than you think or anyone quotes. This problem stems from the fact that most folks in the international shipping business do it a lot and they know what they are doing and they assume you know what you are doing and they are speaking a language that only folks in the international shipping business know and it takes a while to learn the language. An easy way to avoid some of these pitfalls is to request 'Door to Door" service. D to D service is transport charges and customs clearing together. Another rule of thumb in this business is that the more individual entities that to have anything to do with your shipment, the more it is going to cost and usually a bunch more! So if you hire one company that arranges the pickup and delivery to the boat or plane, arranges the space on the transport mode, arranges the customs clearing and finally the delivery to you , it will be heaps less expensive. On a one shot deal, it is hard to get very good rates for all of the above but if you do it regularly, you can eventually arrange better rates. If you are doing a one shot deal, it might be worth while to request the vendor to arrange door to door service for you since they might ship a lot and have a much better rate than you could arrange yourself. Bill GBR From bens Thu Dec 5 11:20:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB5GKvo09385 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:20:57 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:20:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200212051620.gB5GKvV09381@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: RE: Moab Land Rover adventure. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 74 lines filtered. ] Hi Rich - Thanks for your commentary on your adventure! We are going to be in Moab with Bill Burke over New Years, and are really looking forward to it! Jon From bens Thu Dec 5 11:39:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB5Gd3H09501 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:39:03 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:39:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200212051639.gB5Gd2b09497@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Shipping parts from UK Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:44:36 -0500 Gbrovers@aol.com writes: > >The first is > the > transportation costs and the second is the customs clearing costs. > The first > mistake most folks make is to ask what seems like a logical question > "How > much will it cost to transport item A from point B to point C". You > will get [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Yes: I should have explained it this way, but I went through the process instead...:( > This problem stems from the fact that most folks in the > international > shipping business do it a lot and they know what they are doing and > they > assume you know what you are doing and they are speaking a language > that only > folks in the international shipping business know and it takes a > while to > learn the language. True, and unfortunately, this is a big downfall for the average Joe. Remember: Master Ayrwaybill, House Airwaybill, Consol, Straight Shipment, Door to Door, Agi Hold, MRU, CET, Exodus, Fish & Wildlife, PAG, AKC, AAP, (LD9, LD3, and LD7 respectfully) breakbulk, IATA, Commodity Specialist, In-Bond Transfer, Arrival Notice, Volume Weight, DG's, Post Entry, Hold for Exam, Claim, Form 7512, AMS, Invoices(!!!!), Booking, Wheels-Up, - and the ones you DON'T want to hear, G.O.(General Order), Storage, Damaged shipment, and Import Rejection Notice...I can go on and on... > An easy way to avoid some of these pitfalls is to request 'Door > to Door" > service. D to D service is transport charges and customs clearing > together. > Another rule of thumb in this business is that the more individual > entities > that to have anything to do with your shipment, the more it is going > to cost > and usually a bunch more! So if you hire one company that arranges [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Again, good advice. Most freight forwarders can arrange this - all you have to do is ask, however, some do it as a matter of practice on 99% of their shipments, A.E.I. (Air Espress International), and BAX Global (Burlington Air Express) are among these, and have their own trucks. > On a one shot deal, it is hard to get very good rates for all of > the > above but if you do it regularly, you can eventually arrange better > rates. If > you are doing a one shot deal, it might be worth while to request > the vendor > to arrange door to door service for you since they might ship a lot > and have > a much better rate than you could arrange yourself. True again, especially if you're importing on a large scale at a regular basis. My girlfriend is importing her second sea container of materials for her biz, and it's turning out to be much sheaper than if she had ordered these same materials locally from these same vendors' U.S. operations! (same stuff, just less hands touching it) She's looking at being able to run her shop (by her calculations) for upto year before she needs anything, unless she has a custom order! This second container is from a different vendor, and it's much less than the first one was. All it takes is to pick up the phone and ask questions. She made lotsa calls before finalizing this second container - even called up U.S. Customs here in LAX to verify what their duty was (they will tell you - you just have to ask), and not only did she get more than enough help - she got it from a female Customs agent that I used to go out with several years ago!!! ( at least 500 Customs agents working at LAX - what are the odds of that?) Charles ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Thu Dec 5 11:54:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB5Gs1q09644 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:54:01 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:54:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200212051654.gB5Gs1009640@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Shipping parts from UK Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....at least 500 Customs agents working at LAX - what are the odds of that?...." Oh I dunno Charles...I heard some things..... :^) -Dave G. From bens Thu Dec 5 14:26:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB5JQwh10569 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:26:58 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:26:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200212051926.gB5JQwZ10565@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Gbrovers@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Shipping parts from UK Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 12/5/02 9:41:12 AM, cirvin1258@juno.com writes: << True, and unfortunately, this is a big downfall for the average Joe. Remember: Master Ayrwaybill, House Airwaybill, Consol, Straight Shipment, Door to Door, Agi Hold, MRU, CET, Exodus, Fish & Wildlife, PAG, AKC, AAP, (LD9, LD3, and LD7 respectfully) breakbulk, IATA, Commodity Specialist, In-Bond Transfer, Arrival Notice, Volume Weight, DG's, Post Entry, Hold for Exam, Claim, Form 7512, AMS, Invoices(!!!!), Booking, Wheels-Up, - and the ones you DON'T want to hear, G.O.(General Order), Storage, Damaged shipment, and Import Rejection Notice...I can go on and on... >> Charles Sounds like I should take an advanced class in the language from you! Bill GBR From bens Thu Dec 5 15:56:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB5Kulv11143 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:56:47 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:56:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200212052056.gB5KulA11139@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Alternator rebuilds Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ok, I'm WAY behind on Mendos (now reading #913). Someone asked about alternator rebuilds in the North Bay.. SF may not qualify but Rite Way Electric (at 261 6th Street, 800-732-8863) has done great work for me and others on this list. Cheers, Blair (trying to be responsive when I know an answer!) From bens Thu Dec 5 16:21:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB5LLWr11359 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:21:32 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:21:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200212052121.gB5LLWC11355@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: SII Genny Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mehdi, I have an extra generator I think (assuming all 2.25 dynamos are the same). I'll sell it to you for what I paid for it (to Bob B!) which was $20 I think. Do you still need one? Cheers, Blair (now up to #916) From bens Thu Dec 5 22:20:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB63KJK13440 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:20:19 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:20:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200212060320.gB63KJA13436@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Series/Defender wiper motor question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Since there are several series owners on this list, and several Defender owners on this list, I thought I'd pose this question to both sides. I am installing my windsheild wiper motor tomorrow on the crewcab. It's a stock Defender one from '83, but I *think* that it's the same motor they used on the Late IIa's and III's??? I'm just wondering if there's any servicing that can be done to it before I install the thing. The two different speeds work fine, the armature works and the posts go back and forth. Looks like the grease in there is still pretty good. The motor pulses a little when it changes direction. Is that normal? Also, I hear a little more gear whine than I thought I would. I was hoping to just 'plug and play', but now I'm wondering if I ought to do a little more. Thanks! Michael _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From bens Thu Dec 5 23:31:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB64Vhr13817 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:31:43 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:31:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200212060431.gB64Vg913813@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series/Defender wiper motor question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org somewhere in the vast internet, there are web pages describing the disassembly, re-greasing and assembly of the newer style (2A) wiper motor. I know I've seen them somewhere, but don't have the url. However, if your grease looks like grease and not hardened industrial adhesive, it sounds like your motor is fine. But that's just my opinion. cheers, john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens Thu Dec 5 23:42:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB64gH913871 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:42:17 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:42:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200212060442.gB64gHB13867@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series/Defender wiper motor question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks John, Yeah, I know the Internet has the answer for everything, sometimes it's easier to ask than to spend months looking for it. My grease looks like grease, so I am taking your advice. Thanks again, Michael _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From bens Fri Dec 6 00:10:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB65Apf14704 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:10:51 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:10:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200212060510.gB65Aov14700@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Randy Katz" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #918 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sounds like Rich had a similar (and maybe even a better) great adventure. The shame of it is that LR is thinking of doing away with these courses. Despite the cost, they are loss leaders. If you drop a line to "Bow, Natalie (N.D.)" , LRNA may take them over from the worldwide organization, and may put on more closer to home. Randy At 10:20 PM 12/5/02 -0500, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:38:24 -0500 >From: Rich Lee >Subject: Re: Moab Land Rover adventure. > >Randy, > >Nice write-up! >I was fortunate enough to go on one of the 5 day Land Rover Adventures in >Moab in October 1996. Your write-up brought back fond memories and you [ 55 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Dec 6 00:16:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB65GqF15300 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:16:52 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:16:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200212060516.gB65Ggr15296@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series/Defender wiper motor question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Michael, If the motor has a round, cylinder-like casing held on by 2 screws, and the plug that goes into it has 5 connections, it's probably a 14W type wiper motor, as found on the average MGB. Hope this helps. Charles On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:20:19 -0500 "Polla Slade" writes: > > Since there are several series owners on this list, and several > Defender > owners on this list, I thought I'd pose this question to both sides. > > I am installing my windsheild wiper motor tomorrow on the crewcab. > It's a > stock Defender one from '83, but I *think* that it's the same motor > they [ 27 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Fri Dec 6 00:28:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB65SjE15363 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:28:45 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:28:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200212060528.gB65Sin15359@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: SII Genny Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org sure. thanks Mehdi On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:21:32 -0500 Blair Peterson wrote: > > Mehdi, > > I have an extra generator I think (assuming all > 2.25 dynamos are the same). I'll sell it to you > for what I paid for it (to Bob B!) which was > $20 I think. Do you still need one? > > Cheers, [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Dec 6 00:44:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB65irp15583 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:44:53 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:44:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200212060544.gB65irS15579@minbar.fourfold.org> From: CHRISBONIN@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Camel Trophy Truck Spotted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 7 lines filtered. ] Saw a camel trophy 110 today going across the bay bridge. Is someone on the list? Chris From bens Fri Dec 6 00:55:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB65tra15652 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:55:53 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:55:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200212060555.gB65trv15648@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Camel Trophy Truck Spotted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/enriched; ] [ 52 lines filtered. ] --Apple-Mail-4-717453157 charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Domingo Dias? He grew up in Africa and bought a Camel trophy truck that participated in Africa. TDi, fully legal, even in CA. cheers, On Thursday, December 5, 2002, at 09:44 PM, CHRISBONIN@aol.com wrote: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] > [ 7 lines filtered. ] > > > Saw a camel trophy 110 today going across the bay bridge. > > Is someone on the list? [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem --Apple-Mail-4-717453157 From bens Fri Dec 6 01:01:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB661Se15693 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 01:01:28 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 01:01:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200212060601.gB661SP15689@minbar.fourfold.org> From: CHRISBONIN@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Camel Trophy Truck Spotted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 5 lines filtered. ] wow.....looks pretty cool... think he wants to sell? hahaha From bens Fri Dec 6 01:38:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB66cOd15849 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 01:38:24 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 01:38:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200212060638.gB66cOM15845@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Series/Defender wiper motor question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Don't you live in the desert? windshield wipers, we don't need need no stinkin windshield wipers! TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Polla Slade" To: Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 8:42 PM Subject: Re: Series/Defender wiper motor question > > Thanks John, > > Yeah, I know the Internet has the answer for everything, sometimes it's > easier to ask than to spend months looking for it. > > My grease looks like grease, so I am taking your advice. > > Thanks again, [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Dec 6 02:11:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB67BcB16003 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 02:11:38 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 02:11:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200212060711.gB67Bc315999@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: RE: Camel Trophy Truck Spotted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org His truck is from Camel Trophy 1990. It was one of the recce trucks on the route pre-run for the Trans-Siberia event, not the 1991 Tanzania - Burundi event. jpipes ------ Domingo Dias? He grew up in Africa and bought a Camel trophy truck that participated in Africa. TDi, fully legal, even in CA. From bens Fri Dec 6 09:44:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB6EiAQ18379 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:44:10 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:44:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200212061444.gB6Ei9w18375@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series/Defender wiper motor question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I am installing my windsheild wiper motor tomorrow on the crewcab. > It's a > stock Defender one from '83, but I *think* that it's the same motor > they > used on the Late IIa's and III's??? The Defender & Series III motors are the same. I have a SIII motor currently in the Green Rover and a new Defender motor in my spares shelf (Don't ask, it was a crazy mixup ordering parts from multiple places before my morning tea) The single speed single wiper motor of the late IIA is different. I have not seen a late IIA dual speed motor to compare with. however if you find a source for the rectangular rubber boot that covers the hole where the tube emerges through the top of the panel, please let me know. Mine a a tad frayed. Your motor is probably fine. if in doubt hook it up to a battery and let it run for a few hours. If the noise doesn't change or the motor start billowing smoke and a fountain of sparks it is likely just a case of wanting everything to be perfect for the public debut jitters. TeriAnn J. Wakeman Santa Cruz, California twakeman@cruzers.com http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Fri Dec 6 09:47:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB6ElLi18408 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:47:21 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:47:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200212061447.gB6ElL218404@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series/Defender wiper motor question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Michael, I would make sure the grease is soft and spread on the surfaces that need it. Also if this has the cable that drives the wiper towers, I would see that the cable is lubed with something medium. So it moves freely. Bob B At 07:20 PM 12/5/2002, you wrote: >Since there are several series owners on this list, and several Defender >owners on this list, I thought I'd pose this question to both sides. > >I am installing my windsheild wiper motor tomorrow on the crewcab. It's a >stock Defender one from '83, but I *think* that it's the same motor they >used on the Late IIa's and III's??? > >I'm just wondering if there's any servicing that can be done to it before I >install the thing. [ 17 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Dec 6 09:49:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB6EnkR18424 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:49:46 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:49:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200212061449.gB6Enk918420@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Camel Trophy Truck Spotted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Thursday, December 5, 2002, at 09:44 PM, CHRISBONIN@aol.com wrote: > Saw a camel trophy 110 today going across the bay bridge. > I don't think Domingo even has email let alone is on this list. TeriAnn J. Wakeman Santa Cruz, California twakeman@cruzers.com http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Fri Dec 6 09:57:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB6EvDN18482 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:57:13 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:57:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200212061457.gB6EvCd18478@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Series/Defender wiper motor question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, the only modification I added to the one on the Costa Rican truck was to find the very lowest point of the case, as it hangs in the truck, and make a cut through the case wall with my angle grinder so water could drain out of it. Don't ask how it got in.... The motor quit working and seized up. All I did was hose the crap out of it with tuner cleaner and a bit of WD40, and it started cranking over again. I haven't had any problems since then. -Dave G. From bens Fri Dec 6 09:57:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB6EvJG18497 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:57:19 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:57:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200212061457.gB6EvID18493@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Camel Trophy Truck Spotted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, It also took many months or maybe a year and a lot of dollars to get it legal. Bob B At 11:11 PM 12/5/2002, you wrote: >His truck is from Camel Trophy 1990. It was one of the recce trucks on the >route pre-run for the Trans-Siberia event, not the 1991 Tanzania - Burundi >event. > >jpipes > > >------ >Domingo Dias? He grew up in Africa and bought a Camel trophy truck [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Dec 6 10:51:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB6FpAY18872 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:51:10 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:51:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200212061551.gB6FpA218868@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series/Defender wiper motor question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Hi Michael, > I would make sure the grease is soft and spread on the surfaces that > need it. > Also if this has the cable that drives the wiper towers, I would see > that > the cable is lubed with something medium. So it moves freely. I've always liked water proof bicycle grease for this application. It seems to have the right consistency and holds up well. TeriAnn J. Wakeman Santa Cruz, California twakeman@cruzers.com http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Fri Dec 6 11:07:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB6G7eP18979 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:07:40 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:07:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200212061607.gB6G7dK18975@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series/Defender wiper motor question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/enriched; ] [ 47 lines filtered. ] --Apple-Mail-4-754158502 charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed good idea. Phil (yes, the company is Phil Wood, San Jose) bicycle grease! Ask in any bike shop. > I've always liked water proof bicycle grease for this application. It > seems to have the right consistency and holds up well. > > TeriAnn J. Wakeman > Santa Cruz, California > twakeman@cruzers.com > > http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman > [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem --Apple-Mail-4-754158502 From bens Fri Dec 6 11:18:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB6GINC19193 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:18:23 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:18:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200212061618.gB6GIN419189@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series/Defender wiper motor question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200212060431.gB64Vg913813@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > somewhere in the vast internet, there are web pages describing the > disassembly, re-greasing and assembly of the newer style (2A) wiper motor. > I know I've seen them somewhere, but don't have the url. http://www.lrfaq.org/Series/FAQ.S.wipermotors.html Ben From bens Fri Dec 6 11:34:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB6GYDR19419 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:34:13 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:34:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200212061634.gB6GYDE19415@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series/Defender wiper motor question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Ben, This is for the early wig wag motors for S2 and S2A to about 67. The later single motor S2A/S3 is what Michael was asking about. Bob B At 08:18 AM 12/6/2002, you wrote: >In message <200212060431.gB64Vg913813@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > > > somewhere in the vast internet, there are web pages describing the > > disassembly, re-greasing and assembly of the newer style (2A) wiper motor. > > I know I've seen them somewhere, but don't have the url. > >http://www.lrfaq.org/Series/FAQ.S.wipermotors.html > >Ben From bens Fri Dec 6 12:18:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB6HIfu19669 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:18:41 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:18:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200212061718.gB6HIfC19665@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series/Defender wiper motor question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Shortly after I got my SIII, we were driving up to Utah, and it started pouring. I turned on the wipers, and they turned very slowly, then froze. I turned the switch knob back and forth, but they wouldn't work. I inadvertently left it in the on position and melted the switch. I took the motor apart, and found that this definitely was a desert vehicle. The amount of wear on the brushes was tiny - the ends were mostly flat. And the bottom bearing was completely dry. After soaking the bearing in engine oil and installing a new ($40!) switch, they worked perfectly. They were still working 6 years later when I sold it. Polla Slade wrote: > I am installing my windsheild wiper motor tomorrow on the crewcab. It's a > stock Defender one from '83, but I *think* that it's the same motor they > used on the Late IIa's and III's??? > > I'm just wondering if there's any servicing that can be done to it before I > install the thing. From bens Fri Dec 6 12:28:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB6HS2419753 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:28:02 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:28:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200212061728.gB6HS1j19749@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bruce Grove To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Camel Trophy Truck Spotted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Domingo Dias? He grew up in Africa and bought a Camel trophy truck > that participated in Africa. TDi, fully legal, even in CA. How do you make a TDi legal in California? I would swap my V8 Disco for a TDi in an instant if there was some cost effective way to do it without paying $19000 (last quote I got from the East coast) for a conversion... Hmm, TDi 90 would suit me just fine... Cheers, Bruce From bens Fri Dec 6 12:33:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB6HX9C19812 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:33:09 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:33:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200212061733.gB6HX9h19808@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bruce Grove To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Camel Trophy Truck Spotted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ah, and by catching up on the rest of the messages I now see the answer to my question, back to the drawing board... Bruce p.s. it is now legal in California to put a Subaru 2.5l Legacy engine in a VW Vanagon and you can buy kits to do it. However, it took years of fighting bureaucracy to make this happen even though the engine is an order of magnitude cleaner, more fuel efficient and altogether better than the VW engine, hohum.. Bob & Sue Bernard wrote: From bens Fri Dec 6 12:38:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB6HcPY19841 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:38:25 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:38:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200212061738.gB6HcPQ19837@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Camel Trophy Truck Spotted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I understand that the CT 110 took many years, $$$, and was supposed to be a 1 shot deal. However, there is an almost new 2001? tdi 110 around here. But the owner won't say. Frank ------------------------ Bruce Grove wrote: >>... >>How do you make a TDi legal in California? >> From bens Fri Dec 6 12:57:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB6HvVK19989 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:57:31 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:57:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200212061757.gB6HvVF19985@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series/Defender wiper motor question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks for all the help guys. I'm going to try to find some of that bicycle grease. I tried taking the cable out of the metal sleeve that it resides in, but couldn't. Am I missing something? I'll crack open my 110 manual to see if they say anything about motor service. It's probably some thing like "remove and replace". Ugh. Thanks for the MGB motor link, I should have known something like that. I can't figure out why, if the motor is 2 speed, are there like 8 wires on that loom from the plug to the center console switch. I'm going to simplify it a LOT in about an hour. Sheeshe. onlow/off/onhigh A 3-way switch ought to do right? 3 wires too if I'm not mistaken. LR sure knows how to make things harder than they have to (I ought to look in the mirror when I say that I suppose). Jitters for the public debut? Well, yeah, if there's a crowd that will look at it pretty intently it's a bunch of LR enthusiasts. I've been driving it for about a week now, and I've gotten a few looks, but no one has come up and crawled around it yet (other than the guys who painted it this week). I'm just nervous I won't have my rear seating issues resolved before the trip. The truck will never be done, so I have to keep the attitude of not pointing out what's yet to be done, what got done a little wrong, or what I would have changed. It is what it is, take it or leave it I suppose. I just hope I'm happy with it in 20 years or so. Thanks again, Michael PS The drain hole idea is a good one too. Yes, Tom, I *do* live in the desert now, but my travels take me in a wider circle now too. I'm driving it to SLC this weekend, and they expect snow. Too bad the heater's not in yet!!!! _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From bens Fri Dec 6 13:19:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB6IJAs20100 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:19:10 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:19:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200212061819.gB6IJAv20096@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series/Defender wiper motor question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Michael, It's been a long time since I lubricated Sherman's wiper cable, but you might have to remove the towers from the cable then pull carefully. Bob B At 09:57 AM 12/6/2002, you wrote: >Thanks for all the help guys. I'm going to try to find some of that bicycle >grease. > >I tried taking the cable out of the metal sleeve that it resides in, but >couldn't. > >Am I missing something? From bens Fri Dec 6 13:19:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB6IJjX20115 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:19:45 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:19:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200212061819.gB6IJi720111@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Camel Trophy Truck Spotted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >> Domingo Dias? He grew up in Africa and bought a Camel trophy truck >> that participated in Africa. TDi, fully legal, even in CA. > > How do you make a TDi legal in California? He brought that vehicle in a number of years back, 10ish? I believe the regulations were somewhat different then. But even then I believe it took him over a year to get it licensed. > TeriAnn J. Wakeman Santa Cruz, California twakeman@cruzers.com http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Fri Dec 6 13:24:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB6IOuP20146 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:24:56 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:24:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200212061824.gB6IOu320142@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Camel Trophy Truck Spotted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If it's the proper year truck, is SHOULD be a one-shot deal, however, his isn't: it did have the required roll cage (mandated in the mid-late '80's, I think, but all the CT trucks have 'em anyway), so the only problem would be DOT-approved lights (a matter of installing headlights/other lenses that have the "DOT" logo on them), a third brake light, and getting a letter that sez that everything is legal. (since they weren't officially imported until '92) The engine is exempt because it's a diesel. There are earlier diesel-powered Defenders that you can import, but they didn't come with the Tdi, just the earlier 2.5 turbodiesel. (of course, you could always drop a Tdi in...) To my knowledge, there is still no law that mandates what side the steering wheel has to be on. (Australia mandates RHD) IF there really is a 2001 110 Tdi here, it wouldn't suprise me: in California (according to my experience), they don't keep a record of VIN's for trucks that were imported originally by LRNA. So, in theory, you can walk into a DMV office, hand them a registration application with ANY series of VIN on it, and they'll simply type it into their database. Some states aren't that friendly (Wisconsin), and actually DO keep a record in their database - and will flag anything that "shouldn't" be here. This reminds me...I was in Costa Mesa yesterday looking at that cheap E-Type (a little rougher than I recall it being, but still a worthwhile cosmetic restoration project), and I passed a shop that literally had a BIG yard FULL of Minis, and right out front, they had a early '90's ERA Mini Cabriolet turbo!!!!! I mean, they had to have at least 50 or 60 there, along with a nice Bronze Green LWB SW (it was parked in the back - and I was in a hurry, so I don't know if it's a 109 or an early 110). Don't remember the name of the place, but it's at the corner of 17th and (I think) Superior...maybe Mr. Foster may stop by there if he's in the area & ask relative questions?... Charles On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:38:25 -0500 "Franklin H. Yap" writes: > > I understand that the CT 110 took many years, $$$, and was supposed > to > be a 1 shot deal. However, there is an almost new 2001? tdi 110 > around > here. But the owner won't say. > > Frank > [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Fri Dec 6 13:33:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB6IX2t20258 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:33:02 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:33:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200212061833.gB6IX2q20254@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series/Defender wiper motor question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I tried taking the cable out of the metal sleeve that it resides in, > but > couldn't. Bet you have the wiper arms on. Undo the backs of the wiper boxes and slide the tubes with cable off the gear and the cable should pull out. On reassembly you might be able to get away with running the motor then letting it park. Replace the cable through the tubes, mount it to the parked motor THEN attaching the cable & tubes to the wheel gear in each box. Otherwise you will have to pull the arms, run the motor to the park position then put the arms back on. > I can't figure out why, if the motor is 2 speed, are there like 8 > wires on > that loom from the plug to the center console switch. I'm going to > simplify > it a LOT in about an hour. That sorta got me too. but I plugged the harness parts together and it worked so I didn't worry my little head about it. > Jitters for the public debut? Well, yeah, if there's a crowd that > will look > at it pretty intently it's a bunch of LR enthusiasts. Fine toothed combs and digital cameras. You can bet on that. TeriAnn J. Wakeman Santa Cruz, California twakeman@cruzers.com http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Fri Dec 6 13:39:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB6IdVX20308 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:39:31 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:39:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200212061839.gB6IdVY20304@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bruce Grove To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Camel Trophy Truck Spotted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles R Irvin wrote: > > To my knowledge, there is still no law that mandates what side the > steering wheel has to be on. (Australia mandates RHD) > New Zealand is similar, if a car is less than (I think) 20 years old and LHD then you actually have to convert it to RHD!! The end result is it's prohibitively expensive to take a LHD car there, which was their intention... Bruce From bens Fri Dec 6 13:48:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB6ImaL20385 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:48:36 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:48:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200212061848.gB6ImaU20381@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: RE: Camel Trophy Truck Spotted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It's funny, we're all talking up a storm about his awesome truck but he's no where to be heard on the list! ;) If I recall from speaking at length with him about the truck, it took him three years to get it through customs. jpipes ---- He brought that vehicle in a number of years back, 10ish? I believe the regulations were somewhat different then. But even then I believe it took him over a year to get it licensed. From bens Fri Dec 6 14:33:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB6JXZl20637 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:33:35 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:33:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200212061933.gB6JXZq20633@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce Subject: Re: Camel Trophy Truck Spotted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ The list member filter caught this one. But it looks like it's Granville, so I'll foward it - Ben] ----Begin Forward---- From: "mapool@dc3.adelphia.net" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Camel Trophy Truck Spotted Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:53:16 -0500 Frank wrote: :> I understand that the CT 110 took many years, $$$, :> and was supposed to be a 1 shot deal. However, :> there is an almost new 2001? tdi 110 around here. :> But the owner won't say. People who manage these things are often (understandably) reluctant to discuss them in detail. Domingos (not Domingo) went through hell (for about two years, as I recall) to get his in and Frank is probably right about its have been a sort of one-time good deal (and probably a stretch at that). One of the problems with this sort of endeavor is that you are pretty much out there on your own, dealing with bureaucracies with unknowledgeable, capricious employees, ever-changing (sometimes unwritten) rules, etc. Dom had his 110 impounded at least twice, for lengthy periods, at a certified importer (or whatever they're called). I don't think I've ever heard a firm figure on the out-of-pocket cost but know that it was high. BTW, don't even think about trying to buy it from him! An example of the sort of risks involved in expecting bureaucracies to accept something that seems completely legal and reasonable and logical is a fellow who wanted to put an EPA- and California-certified Ford Contour/Mercury Mystique engine in his Caterham Super Seven (kit car). Because the exact exhaust system from the donor vehicle (with which its emissions certification was made) would not fit without modification in the receiving vehicle, it was not allowed! He could, however, put an old, dirty, pre-emission-regulation engine in it. How's that for reasonable? If you want to do this sort of thing, it's (much) easier in just about any state than California. I heard of someone who moved to Nevada just for this reason. Two other Defender TDi trucks I've seen are a D90 that was converted from a V8 and a late 110 (dark green "County" station wagon) that was running on German plates on a temporary basis. The owner was able to bring it in for two years but then had to take it out again. Perhaps he could have (and perhaps did) take it out and then bring it back in again, for another two years at a time. He was able to do that only because he is a German citizen. Later, Granny who is not contemplating putting a TD5 in his Range Rover - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------- End of Forwarded Message From bens Fri Dec 6 15:04:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB6K4Q320833 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:04:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:04:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200212062004.gB6K4Pg20829@minbar.fourfold.org> From: charles phu To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Camel Trophy Truck Spotted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 6 lines filtered. ] I remember that two years ago I got off 880 around Fremont and pulled off my Disco right in front of a house around sunset, Then I surprisingly spotted one ex-CT 110 and a Series truck (forgot if it's SII or SIII). The CT 110 was well battered but Orlando and I were so excited seeing that. Am I talking about the same truck? Charles --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now From bens Fri Dec 6 15:49:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB6KnkA21053 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:49:46 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:49:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200212062049.gB6KnkL21049@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hannaford, Morgan" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: GM 4 cylinder conversions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I know the topic of GM 4-cylinder conversions was up recently. Regarding the "Robert Davis" conversion - does anyone know where he is getting the 181 or stroked crankshafts, con-rods and pistons? Also, doesn't someone on this list have a GM or Mercruiser diesel 4 cylinder in their 109?? Any information will be appreciated. -Morgan From bens Fri Dec 6 17:38:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB6McVX21589 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:38:31 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:38:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200212062238.gB6McUt21585@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: GM 4 cylinder conversions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Morgan, Robert strokes a cross-flow 151 to a 183. He uses cross-flow heads. The cam is a custom grind, but a RV/torque cam for a 181 would be a good starting point. Might have to get custom length push-rods for the cam to work right. I don't know what parts Robert uses exactly to get to the 183, but I would guess he uses Mercruiser 181 guts. Maybe the 183 should be 181. A place called Kansasracing, which builds 4 cyl. engines for Midget racing, uses the 181 block as a "base" for their engines. They have a website for contact info. I talked to the boss and he's a nice mid-westerner. He could probably help out. Are you near San Jose? I had Bob Gromm of Gromm Racing fiddle with my non-crossflow version. He's the only guy I know that actually knows what he's talking about regarding cams, port work, valve geometry and making everything work well when building an engine. He's a perfectionist. The truth is out there eric >>> MHANNAFORD@ShastaCollege.edu 12/06/02 12:49PM >>> I know the topic of GM 4-cylinder conversions was up recently. Regarding the "Robert Davis" conversion - does anyone know where he is getting the 181 or stroked crankshafts, con-rods and pistons? Also, doesn't someone on this list have a GM or Mercruiser diesel 4 cylinder in their 109?? Any information will be appreciated. -Morgan From bens Fri Dec 6 18:22:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB6NMpM21814 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:22:51 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:22:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200212062322.gB6NMpi21810@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Camel Trophy Truck Spotted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org my only thoughts is if the said owner of an alledged Tdi or any other "suspicious vehicles" gets into an accident and the other party finds out that there is something not "right" with the said vehicle - then its goodbye to all your worldly possessions unless u protect yourself under some sort of umbrella policy/trust - a good lawyer can ruin your day cheers, fil >From: "Franklin H. Yap" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: Camel Trophy Truck Spotted >Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:38:25 -0500 > >I understand that the CT 110 took many years, $$$, and was supposed to >be a 1 shot deal. However, there is an almost new 2001? tdi 110 around >here. But the owner won't say. [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From bens Fri Dec 6 23:00:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB740V723185 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:00:31 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:00:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200212070400.gB740Ve23181@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Camel Trophy Truck Spotted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Amen to that! CYA! TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fil F." To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 3:22 PM Subject: Re: Camel Trophy Truck Spotted > > > my only thoughts is if the said owner of an alledged Tdi or any other > "suspicious vehicles" gets into an accident and the other party finds out > that there is something not "right" with the said vehicle - then its goodbye > to all your worldly possessions unless u protect yourself under some sort of > umbrella policy/trust - a good lawyer can ruin your day > > > > cheers, > > fil > > [ 19 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Dec 8 09:52:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB8Eqq402771 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:52:52 -0500 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:52:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200212081452.gB8Eqqp02767@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: Is mendo dead Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Or is everyone asleep? I haven't gotten anything since Fri. -Rob From bens Sun Dec 8 10:11:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB8FBsW02866 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:11:54 -0500 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:11:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200212081511.gB8FBro02862@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Is mendo dead Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Rob, Saturdays and Sundays are typically slow. Bob B At 06:52 AM 12/8/2002, you wrote: >Or is everyone asleep? I haven't gotten anything since Fri. > >-Rob From bens Sun Dec 8 11:49:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB8GnFc03286 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 11:49:15 -0500 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 11:49:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200212081649.gB8GnET03282@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Is mendo dead/sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/enriched; ] [ 40 lines filtered. ] --Apple-Mail-2-929456577 charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hiya, forgot to post this. Dec 1, blue series 3 88 at the corner of 21st and L in Sacramento. On Sunday, December 8, 2002, at 06:52 AM, Kerner, Rob wrote: > > Or is everyone asleep? I haven't gotten anything since Fri. > > -Rob > > John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem --Apple-Mail-2-929456577 From bens Sun Dec 8 12:26:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB8HQsm03474 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:26:54 -0500 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:26:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200212081726.gB8HQr903470@minbar.fourfold.org> From: craig reece To: Mendo Subject: Series IIA 4 cyl. petrol point gap? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ehren Weiss, who bought Mike Henry's '69 Series IIA 88, is crashing at my house, and doing a tune-up, prior to driving the IIA to Indiana, and we don't know the point gap. Can anyone help? Thanks, Craig From bens Sun Dec 8 12:33:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB8HX3Q03520 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:33:03 -0500 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:33:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200212081733.gB8HX2803516@minbar.fourfold.org> From: craig reece To: Mendo Subject: Nevermind on points gap. Which plugs? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Google turned up the point gap on a FAQ. Next question: can anyone tell us some spark plug choices? We struck out at our local NAPA parts house yesterday. thanks again, Craig From bens Sun Dec 8 12:37:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB8HbYZ03563 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:37:34 -0500 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:37:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200212081737.gB8HbYu03559@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Is mendo dead Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Or is everyone asleep? I haven't gotten anything since Fri. > >-Rob Sleeping?? Spending the weekend bustin' my rump to get my truck ready for the Mojave Road trip. cheers RW -- Blaming Guns for Crime is Like Blaming Spoons for Rosie O'Donnell Being Fat From bens Sun Dec 8 12:38:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB8HctG03578 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:38:55 -0500 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:38:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200212081738.gB8HcsX03574@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Heater/Demister Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've been amazed at the heating and defogging capability of R ever since I made the air control (button/switch/lever?) work. I had to run out and get milk this morning and once the engine got to 50C, it took the defogger about 90 seconds to clear the windscreen. I don't know what kind of heater (definitely not Smiths, and I think it's not a Kodiac, either, but I could be wrong) it is, but I've never been so happy with it before. It has a distribution box on the off side which has a leve for moving a flap to divert air out the left side (closing the holes for the demisters when in that state) or allowing it to go up through the demisters and out through two doors in the front which put air out either to the left or right. My only complaint is that the fan motor is sort of loud, and I'd like to fix that somehow. Does anyone know what heater I've described? C From bens Sun Dec 8 12:39:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB8HdGR03594 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:39:16 -0500 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:39:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200212081739.gB8HdFq03590@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Nevermind on points gap. Which plugs? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Google turned up the point gap on a FAQ. Next question: can anyone tell >us some spark plug choices? We struck out at our local NAPA parts house >yesterday. > >thanks again, >Craig Champion 12Y Check the OVLR FAQ to double check what the NGK model is. RW -- Blaming Guns for Crime is Like Blaming Spoons for Rosie O'Donnell Being Fat From bens Sun Dec 8 12:46:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB8HkTf03646 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:46:29 -0500 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:46:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200212081746.gB8HkT303642@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Eugene Simpson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Nevermind on points gap. Which plugs? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org According to TAW's site: NGK BP6ES or Champion RN11YC should work. Gene From bens Sun Dec 8 12:46:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB8Hkpw03661 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:46:51 -0500 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:46:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200212081746.gB8HkpR03657@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series IIA 4 cyl. petrol point gap? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/enriched; ] [ 48 lines filtered. ] --Apple-Mail-8-932912465 charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed from the green bible distributor contact breaker gap 0.14-0.16 in. (0,35-0,40mm) and set the octane selectro so that the fourth line from the LH side on the calibrated slide is against the face f the distributor body casing. On Sunday, December 8, 2002, at 09:26 AM, craig reece wrote: > > Ehren Weiss, who bought Mike Henry's '69 Series IIA 88, is crashing at > my house, and doing a tune-up, prior to driving the IIA to Indiana, and > we don't know the point gap. Can anyone help? > > Thanks, > Craig > > John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem --Apple-Mail-8-932912465 From bens Sun Dec 8 12:47:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB8HlZO03676 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:47:35 -0500 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:47:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200212081747.gB8HlZX03672@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Nevermind on points gap. Which plugs? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org craig reece wrote: >Google turned up the point gap on a FAQ. Next question: can anyone tell >us some spark plug choices? We struck out at our local NAPA parts house >yesterday. > TeriAnn's site mentions NGK BP6ES and Champion RN11YC. I'd be shocked if your local NAPA didn't have those. Remember--you can't EVER tell them the make, model, and year of your vehicle. Doing so almost always yields the "We don't have it" answer. They MUST look up the parts by the *parts* manufacturer. I learned long ago to refuse to answer the m/m/y question because despite what their computer says, in fact they have many useful parts (even Kragen, Pep Boys, etc.) for your Rover. The NAPA in Mountain View is better than K&PB, but I still have to coax them to look in a book by part manufacturer instead of in the computer by vehicle make, model, and year. C From bens Sun Dec 8 12:55:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB8HtLN03731 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:55:21 -0500 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:55:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200212081755.gB8HtK803727@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Heater/Demister Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/enriched; ] [ 47 lines filtered. ] --Apple-Mail-12-933422645 charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed No, but that's a serious complaint in R. I'll trade you a little Smiths ankle burner that is perfectly silent (fan off) and hardly noticeable (fan on) on the freeway. Sure it's not a Kodiak? I thought they had distribution boxes in the passenger footwell with bigger diameter hoses to the windshield. I'd like to put one in the Dormie, but they were US options, and hence LHD. So, I'm looking around. > either to the left or right. My only complaint is that the fan motor > is > sort of loud, and I'd like to fix that somehow. > > Does anyone know what heater I've described? > > C > > John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem --Apple-Mail-12-933422645 From bens Sun Dec 8 12:56:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB8HuJ103754 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:56:19 -0500 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:56:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200212081756.gB8HuJK03750@minbar.fourfold.org> From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Nevermind on points gap. Which plugs? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Chris, Thanks! And I'll pass the tip about not telling them make and model. Craig Christopher Dow wrote: > craig reece wrote: > > >Google turned up the point gap on a FAQ. Next question: can anyone tell > >us some spark plug choices? We struck out at our local NAPA parts house > >yesterday. > > > TeriAnn's site mentions NGK BP6ES and Champion RN11YC. I'd be shocked > if your local NAPA didn't have those. > [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Dec 8 12:58:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB8HwHG03789 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:58:17 -0500 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:58:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200212081758.gB8HwG603785@minbar.fourfold.org> From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series IIA 4 cyl. petrol point gap? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John, Thanks! We'll see if we can find the octane selectro. Craig John Hess wrote: > from the green bible > > distributor contact breaker gap 0.14-0.16 in. (0,35-0,40mm) and set the > octane selectro so that the fourth line from the LH side on the > calibrated slide is against the face f the distributor body casing. > > On Sunday, December 8, 2002, at 09:26 AM, craig reece wrote: > > > [ 17 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Dec 8 15:11:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB8KB7P04315 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:11:07 -0500 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:11:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200212082011.gB8KB7904311@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Gary Chappell To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Heater/Demister Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've found that the very fastest way to defog the windshield is to use the normal 'defog' machinery, then turn on the A/C (presuming you have a working A/C). The 'defog' evaporates the moisture; the A/C condenses it out of the air. --gary At 12:38 PM 12/8/2002 -0500, Chris Dow wrote: >I've been amazed at the heating and defogging capability of R ever since >I made the air control (button/switch/lever?) work. I had to run out >and get milk this morning and once the engine got to 50C, it took the >defogger about 90 seconds to clear the windscreen. Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 12/6/2002 From bens Sun Dec 8 15:29:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB8KTi004383 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:29:44 -0500 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:29:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200212082029.gB8KTie04379@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Heater/Demister Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Christopher Dow wrote: > > I've been amazed at the heating and defogging capability > of R ever since SNIP! > either to the left or right. My only complaint is that > the fan motor is > sort of loud, and I'd like to fix that somehow. > > Does anyone know what heater I've described? The one in Rozencrantz! ;-) Paul (someone had to be a wise-ass!) (but seriously...where is teh blower mounted?....and what is loud about it?) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Sun Dec 8 15:36:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB8KaWA04429 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:36:32 -0500 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:36:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200212082036.gB8KaWp04425@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Heater/Demister Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Gary Chappell wrote: > > > I've found that the very fastest way to defog the > windshield is to use the > normal 'defog' machinery, then turn on the A/C (presuming > you have a > working A/C). The 'defog' evaporates the moisture; the > A/C condenses > it out of the air Gary, Last time I checked....a IIA would not hae A/C unless you had that rare conversion(right Bob B?).....and Rozencrantz did not...... Paul(who may someday actually add A/C to Elgie just to be able to say it did!) ;-) > At 12:38 PM 12/8/2002 -0500, Chris Dow wrote: > > > >I've been amazed at the heating and defogging capability > of R ever since > >I made the air control (button/switch/lever?) work. I > had to run out > >and get milk this morning and once the engine got to > 50C, it took the [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Sun Dec 8 16:23:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB8LNTW04643 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:23:29 -0500 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:23:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200212082123.gB8LNT204639@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Heater/Demister Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Gary Chappell wrote: >I've found that the very fastest way to defog the windshield is to use the >normal 'defog' machinery, then turn on the A/C (presuming you have a >working A/C). The 'defog' evaporates the moisture; the A/C condenses >it out of the air. > > ROTFLMAO!!! R is short for Rosencranz, which, alas, has no A/C, as he was manufactured about 30 years before that was an option in a flat-sided Land Rover :-)! C From bens Sun Dec 8 16:25:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB8LPQV04670 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:25:26 -0500 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:25:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200212082125.gB8LPQZ04665@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Heater/Demister Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John Hess wrote: >No, but that's a serious complaint in R. I'll trade you a little Smiths >ankle burner that is perfectly silent (fan off) and hardly noticeable >(fan on) on the freeway. > Nice try, but since I don't know anyone who actually gets warm from a Smiths heater, I think I'll deal with the noise :-). >Sure it's not a Kodiak? I thought they had distribution boxes in the >passenger footwell with bigger diameter hoses to the windshield. I'd >like to put one in the Dormie, but they were US options, and hence LHD. > So, I'm looking around. > > > It might well be a Kodiak. To answer Paul's questions, the blower is in the engine compartment--and it's still effing LOUD!!! It almost sounds like its bearings are shot. C From bens Sun Dec 8 16:31:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB8LVw804708 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:31:58 -0500 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:31:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200212082131.gB8LVw204704@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Oh no, not again... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, we're about to expand our British car horizons. Leslie's xmas present is a pile of parts which may someday become a 1961 e-type roadster. It actually runs (sort of--it blew a hose while we were looking at it), and we got a great deal on it. It needs a frame-off restoration, so when we bring it home (early January), we're going to completely dismantle it. I hope to have it ready for the PA leak in September, but we'll see. I think Mr. Mitchell thought his son would get a certain IIA out of his driveway two years ago :-). http://www.thelen.org/jaguar C From bens Sun Dec 8 16:35:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB8LZYJ04741 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:35:34 -0500 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:35:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200212082135.gB8LZY104737@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Heater/Demister Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Christopher Dow wrote: > > Nice try, but since I don't know anyone who actually gets > warm from a > Smiths heater, I think I'll deal with the noise :-). >> It might well be a Kodiak. To answer Paul's questions, > the blower is in > the engine compartment--and it's still effing LOUD!!! It > almost sounds > like its bearings are shot. Time to take out the actual motor and squirrel-cage unit. make some measurements and go to pick-n-pull! You will find a similar sized motor in many different cars...can't recall any offhand to specify, but there are a rw different generic sizes. you will end up with a newer, more powerfull, more efficient blower when all done Paul __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Sun Dec 8 16:45:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB8Lji104787 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:45:44 -0500 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:45:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200212082145.gB8LjiV04783@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Oh no, not again... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Christopher Dow wrote: > > Well, we're about to expand our British car horizons. > Leslie's xmas > present is a pile of parts which may someday become a > 1961 e-type > roadster. It actually runs (sort of--it blew a hose > while we were > looking at it), and we got a great deal on it. It needs > a frame-off [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] OOOOH! Drooling.....Dang! I am Seriously jealous! I had to pass up on the one I was buying many years ago, and have regretted ever since....First Charles is picking up one, and now you guys too! Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Someday... Paul __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Sun Dec 8 16:53:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB8LrPq04820 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:53:25 -0500 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:53:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200212082153.gB8LrPt04816@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. GM 4 cylinder conversions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello, 3-4 wks back, Robert Davis posted to the Rovers North BBS detailing how he now sells various "kits" depending on needs, budget, and DYI interest. It was good reading.. Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW 2.25L Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:49:46 -0500 From: "Hannaford, Morgan" Subject: GM 4 cylinder conversions I know the topic of GM 4-cylinder conversions was up recently. Regarding the "Robert Davis" conversion - does anyone know........ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Sun Dec 8 17:31:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB8MVeO04982 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:31:40 -0500 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:31:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200212082231.gB8MVeN04977@minbar.fourfold.org> From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Nevermind on points gap. Which plugs? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks, Eugene. Craig Eugene Simpson wrote: > According to TAW's site: > NGK BP6ES or Champion RN11YC should work. > Gene From bens Sun Dec 8 17:31:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB8MVew04978 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:31:40 -0500 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:31:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200212082231.gB8MVeL04971@minbar.fourfold.org> From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org, Ehren Weiss Subject: Re: Nevermind on points gap. Which plugs? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks, Russ. Craig Russ Wilson wrote: > >Google turned up the point gap on a FAQ. Next question: can anyone tell > >us some spark plug choices? We struck out at our local NAPA parts house > >yesterday. > > > >thanks again, > >Craig > > Champion 12Y > [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Dec 8 20:39:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB91dJT05707 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 20:39:19 -0500 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 20:39:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200212090139.gB91dIn05698@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Heater/Demister Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Chris, sounds like you have a Kodiak: my SW has one of such description - and it too is noisier than hell. Dunno how well it works yet, though, because I need to head over to mr. Hose and get the ducting for it, and for Russ' truck. (his is a later type that feeds air through the wing, ala Series III) Charles On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:38:54 -0500 Christopher Dow writes: > > I've been amazed at the heating and defogging capability of R ever > since > I made the air control (button/switch/lever?) work. I had to run > out > and get milk this morning and once the engine got to 50C, it took > the > defogger about 90 seconds to clear the windscreen. I don't know > what [ 20 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Sun Dec 8 20:39:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB91dJx05708 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 20:39:19 -0500 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 20:39:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200212090139.gB91dIF05700@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Oh no, not again... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Chris, CONGRATS!!!!!!!!!!!! I too am aquiring a Series I E-Type - though mine is a coupe: a little rougher than I originally recalled it being (needs a R.H. quarter panel - or I can spend a year beating it back into shape...), but it's all there, and should be a fun car. Charles On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:31:58 -0500 Christopher Dow writes: > > Well, we're about to expand our British car horizons. Leslie's xmas > > present is a pile of parts which may someday become a 1961 e-type > roadster. It actually runs (sort of--it blew a hose while we were > looking at it), and we got a great deal on it. It needs a frame-off > > restoration, so when we bring it home (early January), we're going > to [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Sun Dec 8 21:36:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB92aJ405983 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:36:19 -0500 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:36:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200212090236.gB92aJh05979@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Heater/Demister Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > The one in Rozencrantz! ;-) The fastest defogger I've seen is a swipe of a cotton towel. But the factory optional heated windscreen is also very fast. That's what I use and I'm very happy with it, From bens Sun Dec 8 23:14:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB94EW006481 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:14:32 -0500 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:14:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200212090414.gB94EVa06477@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Camel Trophy Truck Spotted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, Pam and I talked with him at the Hayward show in 2001. I can't remember every detail but I seem to recall it was impounded for 3 to 5 years and cost $7000 to get it officially in country. I asked him what they did to make it legal and he said it's wasn't much. He said that it wasn't a done deal until it was over. He also said it could have turn out badly and he would have lost the truck, it was very stressful process. Because of all this I don't think he'd ever part with it. I wanted to do the same thing and he scared me out of it. I settled on the Discovery XD as it's the closest thing to a Camel truck over here. Cheers, Keith & Pam Shukait Northern California Rover Club Mendo-Reece List Digest Version Dormobile Owner Register 1997 Land Rover Discovery XD "YLLWJKT" 1969 Land Rover Series IIA ExMoD 109 Regular "Millie" 1967 Land Rover Series IIA NADA 6 Cylinder Dormobile "Indiana" From bens Mon Dec 9 00:04:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB954iU06925 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 00:04:44 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 00:04:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200212090504.gB954in06921@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Heater/Demister Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > > > The one in Rozencrantz! ;-) > > The fastest defogger I've seen is a swipe of a cotton > towel. But the > factory optional heated windscreen is also very fast. > That's what I > use and I'm very happy with it, The 4" squeagee works greate too! and anti-fog stuff periodicly on th inside of glass....they sell it at motorcycle shops for helmet visors) I'm tempted to someday get the heated screen for the left side, but the expense! ;-0 Paul __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Mon Dec 9 01:36:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB96a4Q08504 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 01:36:04 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 01:36:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200212090636.gB96a4e08500@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Oh no, not again... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles R Irvin wrote: >CONGRATS!!!!!!!!!!!! > Well, congrats are more in order for Leslie, as she's the one who successfully worked the Jedi Mind Trick on me--and it's going to be her car, not mine. I think 1 BHP/<20 lbs vehicle weight is too much car for me :-). >I too am aquiring a Series I E-Type - though mine is a coupe: a little >rougher than I originally recalled it being (needs a R.H. quarter panel - >or I can spend a year beating it back into shape...), but it's all there, >and should be a fun car. > > I'm really looking forward to the after-effects of the project. When someone says "sports car", the e-type roadster is the image that appears in my head. C From bens Mon Dec 9 03:33:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB98Xnp09275 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 03:33:49 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 03:33:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200212090833.gB98XmZ09271@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Is mendo dead Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org we're here! ( ....err ....changing diapers at a prolific rate :) TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 6:52 AM Subject: Is mendo dead > > Or is everyone asleep? I haven't gotten anything since Fri. > > -Rob From bens Mon Dec 9 03:43:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB98hX709447 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 03:43:33 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 03:43:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200212090843.gB98hWE09443@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Heater/Demister Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Dow" To: Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 9:38 AM Subject: Heater/Demister > > I've been amazed at the heating and defogging capability of R ever since > I made the air control (button/switch/lever?) work. > > Does anyone know what heater I've described? > > C > Apparently since its currently working so good, its just about to catastrophically fail :) TomW From bens Mon Dec 9 08:53:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB9Drkx10937 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 08:53:46 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 08:53:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200212091353.gB9DrjV10933@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Oh no, not again... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 01:36:04 -0500 Christopher Dow writes: > > Well, congrats are more in order for Leslie, as she's the one who > successfully worked the Jedi Mind Trick on me--and it's going to be > her > car, not mine. I think 1 BHP/<20 lbs vehicle weight is too much > car > for me :-). And a helluva mind trick it was! > I'm really looking forward to the after-effects of the project. > When > someone says "sports car", the e-type roadster is the image that > appears > in my head. Oh - my poor deprived son, you have never experienced a Mini Cooper 'S' with a 1380cc engine tuned to "rally-spec"...it isn't much for straight-line performance compared to an E-Type, but it'll cause any E-Type driver (but the most experienced) to go right off the road in tight turns! A go-kart with a big engine is all it is. However, E-Types are no slouch either - nor are ANY of the older Jags for that matter. Just the other day, I saw a nicely restored 3.8 Mk.2 with a 4-speed a mile or so from my house, and the engine definately didn't have stock cams in it! (as an old friend used to say - "It was barking!") The E-Type actually handles extremely well for its appearance, and isn't quite the bouncing boat that it's lower body design makes you think it to be. (it's actually quite scary how well it handles - like a sports car!) You're going to have too much fun... Charles ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Mon Dec 9 08:59:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB9Dxxe10966 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 08:59:59 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 08:59:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200212091359.gB9DxwU10962@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Heater/Demister Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I'm tempted to someday get the heated screen for the left > side, but the expense! ;-0 I'll admit it is a whole lot cheaper when you are in the UK, get a show discount and bring it home as baggage. But it may be a moot point very soon if not already. If the heated windscreens are a Rover only sourced part they may already be NLA. Rover only sourced parts are becoming rapidly all NLA unless the OEMs are willing to sell them. TeriAnn J. Wakeman Santa Cruz, California http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman A member of the internet community since 1985. From bens Mon Dec 9 09:39:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB9Edq611306 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:39:52 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:39:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200212091439.gB9EdqI11302@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Is mendo dead Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >we're here! ( ....err ....changing diapers at a prolific rate :) I hate it when the grandparents visit. RW -- Blaming Guns for Crime is Like Blaming Spoons for Rosie O'Donnell Being Fat From bens Mon Dec 9 09:43:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB9Eh2511339 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:43:02 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:43:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200212091443.gB9Eh2W11335@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Matt W" To: Subject: venting the transfer case? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 61 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" I went to check the oil level on my over drive (Fairey SP?) and found an = oil well J it seem that I must be forcing oil out of the transfer case = and into the overdrive. I vaguely remember having heard of this from = others. My plan is to pull off an inspection cover from the transmission, = transfer case, and overdrive. Then tap a 1/8 NPT hole in each of them, = followed by installing vent tubes to some yet undetermined place high up = under the body. A comment please, is this going to be a dreaded SPOT for some future = owner? (No plans on selling)=20 =20 Thanks Matt W, =20 Who is planning on spending all day Saturday prepping for the Mojave = Road.=20 From bens Mon Dec 9 13:43:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB9Ihhw13764 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 13:43:43 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 13:43:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200212091843.gB9Ihhg13760@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Oh no, not again... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It should come as no surprize that the 'E' type is a super handling sports car. Put on some modern 'Z' rated tires and wider alloy wheels and the 'E' would hang in there with even modern day exotics in the curves. Was fortunate, I guess you could call it fortunate, to be a part owner of an 'E' type in College for a few months. Even splitting maintenance costs three ways, we couldn't afford to keep it on the road. Sure was fun for the little time we had it running and was definitely a 'chick' magnet. The 'E' type was a breakthrough vehicle, technologically, when it came out in 1963. Even in comparison to todays carbon fibre framed exotics, it's technology still stands out. That swoopy body is actually monocoque construction for the central section. That's something that was just being introduced to Formula 1 at the the time of the debut of the 'E'. The front is space frame, the next strongest and lightest way to make a frame. When the Ferrari GTO's sported solid rear axles (Land Rover anyone) the 'E' type had independent rear suspension. If memory serves, the rear disc brakes were inboard to save on unsprung weight. Unfortunately, in the great British tradition of matching stone age with space age technology, the XK engine and a non synchro first gear 4 speed transmission made up the drive train. The XK engine was an engineering marvel when introduced in the late 40's. By the early '60s it had evolved into a maintenance nightmare. Output per liter was still respectable but Detroit was doing as well with pushrod V-8's in the Corvette and with a lot less complication. Balancing those three SU's will try anyone's patience and adjusting the valves is a full days job. Fortunately, the swing away front body work makes access to almost anything a real joy. Just about as good as a Series with the wings removed. Access is stunning contrast to the typical modern, overengineered, gadget stuffed engine compartment. The transmission should have been used in the Series. No synchro on first and easy to beat the synchro's in all the other gears. Double clutching is a talent not wasted on an 'E' type. The transmission did seem to be up to handling the output of the engine and would have been a much better transmission for the series than the ancient, fragile relic we are stuck with. The monocoque construction is a rustermite paradise. I was going to buy one overhere but the bottom 1/3rd of the tub was wasted by rust. Car only had 30,000 miles on it but it had lived near the ocean and probably spent time in the rust belt. Car had been in a garage for 15 years since the owner's husband died. A real shame as the rest of the car was almost like new. Even with the rust, I was hard put not to buy it cause the 'E's are such sweet looking cars. Despite the many hued coats of paint, this one seems to have a solid body and repair of the bonnet should be easy. All in all, an excellent candidate for a relatively inexpensive (if any resto's are inexpensive) candidate for renewal. You will be the envy of all when you get it back on the road though the maintenance will mean lots of time in the garage. Aloha Peter O. The > E-Type actually handles extremely well for its > appearance, and isn't > quite the bouncing boat that it's lower body design > makes you think it to > be. (it's actually quite scary how well it handles - > like a sports car!) > > You're going to have too much fun... > [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Mon Dec 9 15:02:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB9K25K14536 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:02:05 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:02:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200212092002.gB9K25l14532@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: airflow and altitude Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was talking to Phillipe at Roverland (having a couple minor things fixed before heading off to New Mexico/Colorado for Christmas) this morning and happened to ask him if he knew of anything I could do to help the 110 out at altitude (I found last year that above 9000 ft the power loss is rather huge - basically a struggle to keep the truck going 35mph up a slight hill - sucks when you're passed by big rigs doing 50!). Anyway, what he mentioned as the a big part of the problem for the older 3.9's was the lack of an air pressure sensor (I had wondered about this when looking through it in the shop manual). Basically the mass air flow sensor detects reduced air flow due to lower pressure at altitude so the computer reduces fuel flow. This would explain why at around 10-11k feet giving the engine more gas had no effect - it was like the gas pedal was disconnected after pressing it about 1/3 (no increased engine noise - no response). So I'm wondering if there is anything I can do to help this out? A few things I've thought about: 1. Put an air pressure sensor in the air intake (probably in the filter box) along with a variable speed fan. Then with a control circuit, adjust the fan speed so as to make the air pressure always be sea level. This would seem to be an ideal solution (assuming it works) as it should remove all effects of altitude and not push the engine beyond normal operation (aka supercharger). 2. Just put a small fan on the air intake and manually increase airflow at altitude (not fancy, but simple). 3. Put a air pressure sensor and control circuit inline with the mass airflow sensor to adjust the output so as to compensate for the pressure drop. This might be tricky to get right, but doesn't have any goofy fans, etc. So is there anything out there that might do this already? Shannon From bens Mon Dec 9 15:05:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB9K59C14559 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:05:09 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:05:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200212092005.gB9K59j14552@minbar.fourfold.org> From: StevHutch@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Vanagon engine swap Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 15 lines filtered. ] Yes, I think its Kennedy Engineering in Lancaster , CA. They mainly specialize in beefed VW clutches for offroad racing and drag racing, but have a side-line biz in engine swap adapters. - S H ex-VW Thing owner...sworn off the air cooled thing. > p.s. it is now legal in California to put a Subaru 2.5l Legacy engine > in a VW Vanagon and you can buy kits to do it. However, it took years > of fighting bureaucracy to make this happen even though the engine is > an order of magnitude cleaner, more fuel efficient and altogether better > From bens Mon Dec 9 16:15:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB9LFeO15071 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:15:40 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:15:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200212092115.gB9LFds15067@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: airflow and altitude Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Shannon Holland wrote: > Basically the mass air > flow sensor detects reduced air flow due to lower pressure at altitude > so the computer reduces fuel flow. This would explain why at around > 10-11k feet giving the engine more gas had no effect - it was like the > gas pedal was disconnected after pressing it about 1/3 (no increased > engine noise - no response). I am sure Messr. Gomes can comment on this too. I live with a Range Rover at 7000 ft. Your fuel requirements are different - you have to reduce the fuel flow, otherwise the mixture gets too rich and your spark plugs foul. Judging by the deposits on my spark plugs, the mixture is appropriate. So, I think your lack of power at altitude is more due to lack of air than lack of fuel. Those trucks passing you have turbochargers which are less affected by altitude. > 2. Just put a small fan on the air intake and manually increase airflow > at altitude (not fancy, but simple). This is called a supercharger. You would need a fairly large fan to make a difference. What I think might really help, and a path I am considering going down, is to get one of the systems where you can adjust the timing advance by turning a knob on your dashboard. MSD makes one for between $100 and $150. I have played with my timing a lot, and when I adjust mine so I get decent power with the cheap gas up here, when I drive down to Phoenix (1500ft) it pings on hard acceleration even with the expensive gas. So, I set it at a compromise. If I could just adjust it from the cockpit it would save me a lot of grief, and maybe gas. I am also considering a higher output coil. From bens Mon Dec 9 16:20:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB9LKrW15172 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:20:53 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:20:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200212092120.gB9LKrp15168@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: airflow and altitude Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I was talking to Phillipe at Roverland (having a couple minor things > fixed before heading off to New Mexico/Colorado for Christmas) this > morning and happened to ask him if he knew of anything I could do to > help the 110 out at altitude (I found last year that above 9000 ft the > power loss is rather huge - basically a struggle to keep the truck going > 35mph up a slight hill - > A few things I've thought about: > >......... The first time I went to Colorado with my old ( 3.9L )Disco the performance was hideous over 8000 ft or so.. The vehicle was pretty much stock, except 235/85's and a car top tent and ARB bumper/winch... IE: no airodynamic beauty! The next trip the following year I had much better performance... Although I did to much at once to isolate it: ( still had car top tent and bumper, but also had mounted tent in a large roof rack with jerry cans and stuff up there, hence more of a barn door/brick ) I added lower gears ( put me in a different torque range, but also went up to 33" tires , still a net win ) I advanced the timing as far as I safely could ( this is obviuos goodness ) I put the Snorkel on ( amazingly there was somthing about that, I recall really helped from some other high altitude trip with just the snorkel if I recall ).... I bet the colder air outside of the engine bay air at high altitude ( denser air ) made more of a difference than at say sea level.... a poor mans intercooler sorta :) Some folks say the snorkels may not allow enough air flow ( at sea level ) but at altitude... the limiting factor is airflow sensor issue you talked about most likely.. So you are getting more than enough air for the fuel being dumped in.... you just might as well get it from a cooler source ( making it more dense, and hence better combustion ). I did measure the temperature difference on the D90's snorkel via OBDII software setup, with and without the snorkel inline, and it was much cooler ( I forget the exact numbers, but could duplicate once the rig comes out of "anual refit" in a few weeks .) On the D90... this bigest difference was the supercharger obviously! TomW, YMMV From bens Mon Dec 9 16:37:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB9LboL15354 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:37:50 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:37:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200212092137.gB9Lbov15350@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: airflow and altitude Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 01:15 PM, James Howard wrote: > This is called a supercharger. You would need a fairly large fan to > make a difference. I thought supercharger's increased the airflow by a "large" amount? I don't really want a boost in power (well I do, but I'd rather not add extra complexity and stress to the engine), just want to make it operate close to normal. Of course, I have no idea as to how much air the V8 sucks in - yes it might truly need a large fan! > > What I think might really help, and a path I am considering going down, > is to get one of the systems where you can adjust the timing advance by > turning a knob on your dashboard. MSD makes one for between $100 and > $150. I have played with my timing a lot, and when I adjust mine so I > get decent power with the cheap gas up here, when I drive down to > Phoenix (1500ft) it pings on hard acceleration even with the expensive > gas. So, I set it at a compromise. If I could just adjust it from the > cockpit it would save me a lot of grief, and maybe gas. [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] I've been curious as to how well the MSD/Jacob's ignitions do. I've "heard" good things, but I've also never actually known anyone who has used one... Please forgive my ignorance (I have much to learn!), but how does advancing the timing help at altitude? Shannon From bens Mon Dec 9 16:41:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB9Lfws15386 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:41:58 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:41:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200212092141.gB9Lfwa15382@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: airflow and altitude Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I imagine the temperature difference would make quite a difference - I sure have noticed a difference on a cold/wet day versus a dry/hot one! I seem to remember other people seeing performance boosts when installing a snorkel - didn't someone on the list a few years back mount a snorkel on a Series vehicle and get a boost at speed by pointing the snorkel air intake forward? I've gone from stock tires to 235/85's this year without changing gearing so this probably won't help (although it may not matter as it gives me more room in 2nd - last time the ideal gearing was somewhere in between 2nd and 3rd). Shannon On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 01:20 PM, Tom Walsh wrote: > So you are getting more than enough air for the fuel being dumped > in.... you > just might as well get it from a cooler source ( making it more dense, > and > hence better combustion ). I did measure the temperature difference on > the > D90's snorkel via OBDII software setup, with and without the snorkel > inline, > and it was much cooler ( I forget the exact numbers, but could duplicate [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Dec 9 17:04:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB9M4Ze15518 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:04:35 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:04:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200212092204.gB9M4YG15514@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: RE: airflow and altitude Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 41 lines filtered. ] Let me try the math - A 3.9 would be sucking in 3.9 litres of air every 2 rotations, so at say 3000 rpm it would be sucking 5850 litres per minute, or 206cfm. You should be able to do the math to find a fan that could push what you need. From bens Mon Dec 9 17:09:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB9M9U315566 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:09:30 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:09:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200212092209.gB9M9TX15562@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: airflow and altitude Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Shannon Holland wrote: > > I've been curious as to how well the MSD/Jacob's ignitions do. I've > "heard" good things, but I've also never actually known anyone who has > used one... Please forgive my ignorance (I have much to learn!), but how > does advancing the timing help at altitude? I know that people both swear by and swear at the Jacobs. I have not heard as much about the MSD. I bought a book by Dr. Jacobs about ignition, and am not sure how much of what he says is true and how much is horse hockey. Jacobs claims more power is generally better for spark plugs, but you can overdo it to the point that the spark actually pushes fuel molecules away, making them harder to ignite. His top of the line system is computer controlled, and adjusts the spark power according to cylinder conditions. He claims if you use his system, and increase the spark plug gap, you will see power and fuel economy increases. The system is also $600. My attitude is, if his system is so great, surely some auto manufacturer would use it on some engine. I know it costs more, but when you competitor has a more powerful engine, it seems like it would be a relatively cheap way to improve yours. I do know that I have seen major gains in power and fuel economy by advancing the ignition at altitude. I just have to retard it again when I go down low. This is easy to do on my MG, and on my old SIII - just turn the knob on the distributor. On the 3.9 it is a pain in the rear. Hench my interest in the dash mounted control. James From bens Mon Dec 9 17:25:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB9MPva15659 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:25:57 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:25:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200212092225.gB9MPul15655@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Casey McMullen" To: Subject: RE: airflow and altitude Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org James Howard wrote: >What I think might really help, and a path I am considering >going down, is to get one of the systems where you can adjust >the timing advance by turning a knob on your dashboard. I remember once seeing a Model T which had a stick on the column to adjust the timing as you drive. I think you would richen the mixture to help hand crank start it, then set it where you needed it for the conditions. It's fun to see technologies come around again. -Casey From bens Mon Dec 9 17:41:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB9MfoJ15784 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:41:50 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:41:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200212092241.gB9Mfoq15780@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: airflow and altitude Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 02:09 PM, James Howard wrote: > I know that people both swear by and swear at the Jacobs. I have not > heard as much about the MSD. I bought a book by Dr. Jacobs about > ignition, and am not sure how much of what he says is true and how much > is horse hockey. Jacobs claims more power is generally better for spark > plugs, but you can overdo it to the point that the spark actually pushes > fuel molecules away, making them harder to ignite. His top of the line > system is computer controlled, and adjusts the spark power according to > cylinder conditions. He claims if you use his system, and increase the > spark plug gap, you will see power and fuel economy increases. The [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] You do have to wonder - sure seems like it would be considerably cheaper than $600 dollars to build in. I'd also be curious to know how much it really helps in cars with newer ignition systems. I would expect that it might make a huge difference versus an old points style ignition, some difference in an early electronic ignition (such as the pre 96 3.9) and not all that much in a newer vehicle. It would also be interesting to see how much of the improvement is from a stronger spark versus better control of ignition timing. > > I do know that I have seen major gains in power and fuel economy by > advancing the ignition at altitude. I just have to retard it again when > I go down low. This is easy to do on my MG, and on my old SIII - just > turn the knob on the distributor. On the 3.9 it is a pain in the rear. > Hench my interest in the dash mounted control. > How much do you advance the timing by? Might well be worth trying given I'll likely be at high altitude for 5-6 days! Shannon From bens Mon Dec 9 17:55:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB9Mt3c15908 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:55:03 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:55:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200212092255.gB9Mt3w15904@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: airflow and altitude Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > I do know that I have seen major gains in power and fuel economy by > > advancing the ignition at altitude. I just have to retard it again when > > I go down low. This is easy to do on my MG, and on my old SIII - just > > turn the knob on the distributor. On the 3.9 it is a pain in the rear. > > Hench my interest in the dash mounted control. > > > > How much do you advance the timing by? Might well be worth trying given > I'll likely be at high altitude for 5-6 days! I seem to recall getting away with permanently leaving it at close to 8 degrees advanced. but not sure. TomW > > Shannon > From bens Mon Dec 9 18:01:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB9N1aW16003 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:01:36 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:01:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200212092301.gB9N1ax15999@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: airflow and altitude Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I did a quick search around ebay and there are some inline electric superchargers that claim to push around 450cfm. I've heard that people use bilge blowers also for a cheap supercharger. OK, dumb question: So if my engine needs around 206cfm of air at 3000 rpm sea level and let's say I'm at some arbitrary altitude where I have 80% sea level pressure (haven't looked/don't remember what the actual change in pressure per foot is) would I need a fan that can push the total required volume of air or one that can push the difference? I guess the flip side to this is that if my engine wants 206cfm of air and I'm at my 80% altitude, what air flow is my engine getting? If the computer changes nothing, would I just be getting 80% of normal? In the 3.9 case it would then get worse as the computer would drop fuel supply (due to 80% airflow) which would then drop air intake further dropping airflow until some balance point is reached? So I guess this gets me to the same point - if I have a 20% drop in airflow due to altitude, would my fan need to simply supply the difference, the full 206cfm (assuming a given fan will supply a constant volume of air within a pressure range) or some amount greated than 206cfm which at 80% pressure would be 206 cfm? Hmmm, I think my brain is not fully functioning - perhaps this is why I can't seem to fix my bug! Maybe I'm not fully caffienated! Shannon On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 02:04 PM, Jon Turner wrote: > A 3.9 would be sucking in 3.9 litres of air every 2 rotations, so at say > 3000 rpm it would be sucking 5850 litres per minute, or 206cfm. You > should > be able to do the math to find a fan that could push what you need. From bens Mon Dec 9 18:02:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB9N2U116019 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:02:30 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:02:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200212092302.gB9N2UF16015@minbar.fourfold.org> From: shukait@mac.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Is mendo dead Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Russ, I've seen your truck and there's no way dude! :^) but Charles want you to finish it up anyway. Looks like I'm coming down again next week, I'll give you a call. > Sleeping?? Spending the weekend bustin' my rump to get my truck > ready for the Mojave Road trip. > > cheers > RW Cheers, Keith From bens Mon Dec 9 18:14:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB9NE4S16100 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:14:04 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:14:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200212092314.gB9NE4m16096@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: airflow and altitude Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org OK - that sounds reasonable! Does the timing advance help because the mixture is too rich due (thereby giving the fuel more time to burn)? Shannon On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 02:55 PM, Tom Walsh wrote: > I seem to recall getting away with permanently leaving it at close to 8 > degrees advanced. > but not sure. From bens Mon Dec 9 18:31:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB9NVtH16237 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:31:55 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:31:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200212092331.gB9NVtY16233@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: airflow and altitude Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Shannon Holland wrote: > I did a quick search around ebay and there are some inline electric > superchargers that claim to push around 450cfm. I've heard that people > use bilge blowers also for a cheap supercharger. How much? > OK, dumb question: So if my engine needs around 206cfm of air at 3000 > rpm sea level and let's say I'm at some arbitrary altitude where I have > 80% sea level pressure (haven't looked/don't remember what the actual > change in pressure per foot is) would I need a fan that can push the > total required volume of air or one that can push the difference? 80% is about 7000 ft. I think it is the total volume. > I guess the flip side to this is that if my engine wants 206cfm of air > and I'm at my 80% altitude, what air flow is my engine getting? 206 cfm @ 12 psi, instead of 206 cfm at 15 psi. PV = nkT, where nkT is almost a constant, so it works out to 165 cfm @ 15 psi. If the > computer changes nothing, would I just be getting 80% of normal? In the > 3.9 case it would then get worse as the computer would drop fuel supply > (due to 80% airflow) which would then drop air intake further dropping > airflow until some balance point is reached? I think you are making it more complicated that it is. The computer, as I understand it, gives less fuel based on feedback, in part, from the O2 sensors. It tries to keep it near the correct mixture (12:1 to 15:1, depending on if you are accelerating or cruising. So the power is about 80% of sea level power, more or less, probably depending on fluid flow characteristics of your engine. Know any private pilots? I bet they could tell you all sorts of things about how altitude affects mixture, timing, and ultimately power. From bens Mon Dec 9 18:49:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB9NnXm16353 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:49:33 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:49:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200212092349.gB9NnXA16349@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: airflow and altitude Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org My girlfriend's dad and I were talking and he said that a long time ago, he started working on a setup to add an atomizer to inject water into the airflow to increase compression and ultimately horsepower. He eventually gave up on it though, deciding that you could just change cylinder heads to do the same thing. However, it'd be handy in this case. Of course..... there's always Nitrous. :) Stirling __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Mon Dec 9 18:57:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gB9NvPm16418 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:57:25 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:57:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200212092357.gB9NvPT16414@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. Series Heater Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Chris, Check the Rovers North catalog to see the Mt Mansfield heater and distibution box. Is that it? Two things I like about mine (not including its 20,000 BTU rating) is it's all gas welded construction and galvanized then painted finish. Joe Mulqueen (bragging done!) '67 SIIA 109 SW Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:38:54 -0500 From: Christopher Dow Subject: Heater/Demister .........I don't know what kind of heater (definitely not Smiths, and I think it's not a Kodiac, either, but I could be wrong) it is, but I've never been so happy with it before. It has a distribution box on the off side which has a lever for moving a flap to divert air out the left side (closing the holes for the demisters when in that state) or allowing it to go up through the demisters and out through two doors in the front which put air out either to the left or right. My only complaint is that the fan motor is sort of loud, and I'd like to fix that somehow.....Does anyone know what heater I've described? C __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Mon Dec 9 19:01:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBA014Y16451 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:01:04 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:01:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200212100001.gBA014816447@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: airflow and altitude Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Stirling Anderson wrote: > > My girlfriend's dad and I were talking and he said > that a long time ago, he started working on a setup to > add an atomizer to inject water into the airflow to > increase compression and ultimately horsepower. He > eventually gave up on it though, deciding that you > could just change cylinder heads to do the same thing. > However, it'd be handy in this case. They hae set-ups for water injection available for years. I thnk they install it on rv's don't they basicly for this purpose I think as well. Probably can find a place in San Jose that does this already...it'd be much easier than trying to build up something yourself. > Of course..... there's always Nitrous. :) hmmm! Paul __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Mon Dec 9 19:15:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBA0FqV16530 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:15:52 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:15:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200212100015.gBA0Fqd16526@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: airflow and altitude Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 03:31 PM, James Howard wrote: > How much? The ebay in-line "superchargers" we're a few hundred bucks at current auction prices (have to go search again to be sure). When I searched around on ebay a bit for bilge blowers, an in-line 240cfm 12V model rated for continuous duty could be had for around $25-40 > > 206 cfm @ 12 psi, instead of 206 cfm at 15 psi. PV = nkT, where nkT is > almost a constant, so it works out to 165 cfm @ 15 psi. Duh! I knew my brain was whacked. A few minutes after I sent that email I fixed my bug as well - been a long day. Good thing my scuba diving instructor isn't on the mendo list! > I think you are making it more complicated that it is. The computer, as > I understand it, gives less fuel based on feedback, in part, from the O2 > sensors. It tries to keep it near the correct mixture (12:1 to 15:1, > depending on if you are accelerating or cruising. So the power is about > 80% of sea level power, more or less, probably depending on fluid flow > characteristics of your engine. That makes sense. I'd be curious in knowing what more modern computers do with the air pressure sensor data? Perhaps they use that info to automatically advance timing and thus be able to better handle the richer mixture. > > Know any private pilots? I bet they could tell you all sorts of things > about how altitude affects mixture, timing, and ultimately power. Good idea - thanks! Shannon From bens Mon Dec 9 20:16:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBA1GtV16832 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:16:55 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:16:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200212100116.gBA1GsO16828@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: airflow and altitude Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well I took some time off work and looked around - I was still making this more complicated. Here's what I hope I understand: It seems most ECU's (and I presume mine) operate in either a closed or open loop mode. Closed loop mode is used when the engine is not accelerating. The goal here is to minimize emissions and fuel consumption. In this case, the computer takes the incoming air mass (from the mass air flow sensor - MAF) and selects what it hopes is an appropriate injector pulse width for an ideal air/fuel mixture of about 14:1. At the tail end, the oxygen sensor measures the amount of oxygen in the exhaust. If too much oxygen, the engine is running too lean and the ECU will add a bit more fuel than the standard table entry (for the current MAF reading). If there is too little oxygen, the engine is to rich and less fuel is added. Open loop is used during acceleration. In this case the goal is to maximize power with an air/fuel mixture of around 11-12:1. The reading from the oxygen sensor is ignored. Where this will affect my 110 is that the air-flow sensor just measures flow - it does not measure temperature or pressure (where you need gas volume, temperature and pressure to know actual mass). This means it doesn't really know how much air mass is entering the engine. So, at higher altitudes the actual air-mass will be less than what the ECU thinks it is. This means that I'm probably dumping lots of unburned fuel out the tail pipe, but not really losing any power. (Advancing the timing might help here by giving the rich fuel mixture more time to burn.) From this point, it seems that if I wanted to add my fancy-pants home-made low-budget kinda supercharger, I'd need to be running the fan at a higher flow rate than what the engine is demanding. Basically, I'd need to be compressing the air in the air-intake. As to how much I would need, no idea! Advancing the timing either manually or by a dial controlled jacobs ignition sure is looking like a happy thing. Thanks for putting up with all my silly questions! Shannon On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 04:15 PM, Shannon Holland wrote: > That makes sense. I'd be curious in knowing what more modern computers > do with the air pressure sensor data? Perhaps they use that info to > automatically advance timing and thus be able to better handle the > richer mixture. From bens Mon Dec 9 23:26:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBA4Q8k17850 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:26:08 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:26:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200212100426.gBA4Q7E17846@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: airflow and altitude Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Water injection doesn't increase compression just helps to cool an engine under high load. Many of the old transports and bombers with reciprocating engines used water injection. They'd ramp up the boost, rpm and propellor pitch to increase take off horsepower but that generated more heat than the engine could dissipate. They injected water to cool things down so the engines would last long enough to get them in the air. Once established in a climb they'd throttle back to a max sustained boost, turn off the water injection and continue the climb out. A car engine could benefit by being able to advance timing without inducing pinging and/or increase compression without melting the engine down. Probably more hassle than it's worth unless you have a turbo charger cranked way up. As far as doing a home made supercharger out of a cooling fan, forget it. Superchargers need to compress the fuel mixture to a fairly high pressure to add more power to the engine than they are taking out to drive them. Turbo chargers are somewhat free boost but still operate at a way higher boost than you'll get out of a small DC fan. Aloha Peter O. --- Stirling Anderson wrote: > > My girlfriend's dad and I were talking and he said > that a long time ago, he started working on a setup > to > add an atomizer to inject water into the airflow to > increase compression and ultimately horsepower. He > eventually gave up on it though, deciding that you > could just change cylinder heads to do the same > thing. [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Mon Dec 9 23:36:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBA4aZP17900 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:36:35 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:36:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200212100436.gBA4aZX17896@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: airflow and altitude Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/enriched; ] [ 51 lines filtered. ] --Apple-Mail-12-1058295420 charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed My across the street neighbor gave me a bunch of car mags to read. One of them had a question about this very thing. The car guys calculated the hp an electric motor would have to make to force the air in like a good rootes supercharger, then calculated the amps the alternator would have to make. neat very big numbers. electric not possible. > As far as doing a home made supercharger out of a > cooling fan, forget it. Superchargers need to > compress the fuel mixture to a fairly high pressure to > add more power to the engine than they are taking out > to drive them. Turbo chargers are somewhat free boost > but still operate at a way higher boost than you'll > get out of a small DC fan. > > Aloha [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem --Apple-Mail-12-1058295420 From bens Mon Dec 9 23:39:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBA4duk17931 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:39:56 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:39:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200212100439.gBA4duR17927@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Eric Fournier To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: airflow and altitude Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Let me chime in here. The ECU will go into open-loop during warmup and during full throttle acceleration. Under idle and part throttle acceleration the ECU will operate closed-loop. Granted, at 9k ft, you'll have the pedal on the floor most of the time... *I think* the 110 has a mass air flow sensor. The MAF measures air mass, so it requires no correction for changes in air density due to temperature or altitude. What you're experiencing is the lack of air density. Most vehicles suffer at high altitudes. Those that have superchargers and turbos are much less effected by this. Also, I would suspect you'll get little to no benefit from those electric fans. HTH Eric Fournier On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 05:16 PM, Shannon Holland wrote: > > Well I took some time off work and looked around - I was still making > this more complicated. Here's what I hope I understand: > > It seems most ECU's (and I presume mine) operate in either a closed or > open loop mode. > > Closed loop mode is used when the engine is not accelerating. The goal > here is to minimize emissions and fuel consumption. In this case, the [ 47 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Dec 10 01:11:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBA6BQZ19744 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 01:11:26 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 01:11:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200212100611.gBA6BPR19740@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: airflow and altitude Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 08:39 PM, Eric Fournier wrote: > *I think* the 110 has a mass air flow sensor. The MAF measures air > mass, so it requires no correction for changes in air density due to > temperature or altitude. Just looked at the workshop manual - it does have a mass air flow sensor. I knew it was a hotwire sensor where a portion of the air flow is directed over one heated and one unheated wire. Didn't realize this was able to measure air mass as well as flow! > > What you're experiencing is the lack of air density. Most vehicles > suffer at high altitudes. Those that have superchargers and turbos are > much less effected by this. Also, I would suspect you'll get little to > no benefit from those electric fans. > It sounds like there's a reason you can't go out and buy the simple fan-charger. From looking around more on the web most sites I was finding were indicating that it takes quite a bit of power to actually compress air. Oh well - going slower gives you more time to enjoy the scenery, which is the reason you go to the high places! Shannon From bens Tue Dec 10 01:13:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBA6DqL19763 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 01:13:52 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 01:13:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200212100613.gBA6DqI19759@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: airflow and altitude Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Do you remember which magazine it was (and the issue)? Sounds like it would be interesting reading! Shannon On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 08:36 PM, John Hess wrote: > My across the street neighbor gave me a bunch of car mags to read. One > of them had a question about this very thing. The car guys calculated > the hp an electric motor would have to make to force the air in like a > good rootes supercharger, then calculated the amps the alternator would > have to make. neat very big numbers. electric not possible. From bens Tue Dec 10 02:30:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBA7UEO20143 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 02:30:14 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 02:30:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200212100730.gBA7UD720139@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Registration Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have entered the cave of the dragon (DMV) and escaped with not only my life but also my registration. What a zoo. CA makes me laugh / cry everytime I do something with a vehicle. "How long has the vehicle been sitting?" "How did you get the vehicle home?" "What amount of work was required to get the vehicle running?" Answer incorrectly any of these questions and your life will suck. I managed to get lucky. I was the last customer at the DMV and the lady just wanted to go home. Showed her the paperwork... statement of facts.. "Let me keep my shiny black plates you socialist, money grubbing whores" I should hear back from Sacramento in a bit. For now I have a temp operating permit. Now if I can just get the truck operating, I'll be fine. RW -- Blaming Guns for Crime is Like Blaming Spoons for Rosie O'Donnell Being Fat From bens Tue Dec 10 10:56:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBAFuMC22861 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:56:22 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:56:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200212101556.gBAFuLA22857@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: airflow and altitude Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/enriched; ] [ 45 lines filtered. ] --Apple-Mail-2--1048399326 charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed It was outside in the recycle. Sept 2002 Car Craft. Send me your address and I'll mail the page to you. cheers, On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 10:13 PM, Shannon Holland wrote: > > Do you remember which magazine it was (and the issue)? Sounds like it > would be interesting reading! > > Shannon John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem --Apple-Mail-2--1048399326 From bens Tue Dec 10 11:10:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBAGANn22946 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:10:23 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:10:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200212101610.gBAGAME22942@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: airflow and altitude Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Since I decided to go full rebuild on my 3.9, Im having the heads "worked" by Bob Gromm at Gromm Racing in San Jose. Everything short of porting, but that may come later. One of the reasons I am doing the heads, as stated here before, is no power from about 8500' on up. Kinda annoying driving over Sonora Pass - 10500' - and on some sections before the pass proper, I had to go into first just to make it up the grade. At maybe 15 mph. There is some part that's 27% grade. Short of a 4.6 swap, I thought I'd go this route. Back to engine work - larger intake valves, valve guide - as it protrudes into the ports more than a stock chevy, it is getting shortened and shaped for improved flow. Better blending of combustion chamber to port. SS valves, bronze guides. And an Isky cam - for the Buick/Rover. the rv/torque cam. The lift of the cam is a .005 more than an Erson - but it is a dual pattern - intake and exhaust have different lift/duration. I think Erson and Piper are single. Crane has a dual, but Gromm thinks the Rover intake is the big restriction and needs all the help it can get. We'll see what happens, as it's still in the shop. eric From bens Tue Dec 10 12:32:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBAHWw723450 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:32:58 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:32:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200212101732.gBAHWwp23446@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Mendo catch-up Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ok, I did it (caught up). Chris D err, I mean Leslie, congrats on the Jag. Looking at those triplet funny carbs makes me think what fun you'll have twiddling with them. And I thought having twins (kids) kept me busy... Matt W, I had a vent installed on Watusi's Fairy OD (and g-box too) that terminated in the engine compartment with these neato little K&N screen/filter heads. Looked very hot rod for the old 2.25 lump... Mehdi: I'll dig out the dynamo, and shoot for another E-ville lunch (hopefully I can make it this time). The leaf spring discussions were interesting. Charles Phu, as a data point, I replaced the front springs on Pershing (actually, I paid a mechanic to do it as I am not half as brave as all on this list who have done it themselves) and used two left-side springs to resolve a right-side lean. It worked. Got 'em (OEM) from BritPac. Rear springs are still the originally installed ('66) parts. Sightings: normally don't mention 'em but these were interesting.. Sunday, eastbound on old Hwy 40 at Norden: a IIA 88 chugging up towards Donner Summit. Could have been a scene from 39 years ago (just before Hwy 80 was completed). Also Sunday, eastbound on Hwy 80 at Newcastle: a nice green IIA 88. Monday morning at 5th and Union in Oakland: a mustard yellow SIII-- very cool color, "Goldenrod" maybe (namesake of Mike Green's V8 88?). Cheers, Blair PS: funny spring story.. 3 yrs ago I had just loaded a laboring Hillary in the back of our Volvo to head to the hospital to have our 3rd (child, not Rover) when the UPS man pulled up and blocked the driveway. Took forever for him to complete his delivery bcz he had to carry Pershing's new leaf springs one-at-a-time up the steps. Hillary's delivery luckily took a little longer. From bens Tue Dec 10 14:57:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBAJvf224388 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:57:41 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:57:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200212101957.gBAJvfN24384@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: airflow and altitude Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sounds like some pretty exciting work you're having done Eric! Be really interesting to see how it works out - any idea as to how much longer til it's done? Shannon On Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 08:10 AM, Eric Johnson wrote: > > > Since I decided to go full rebuild on my 3.9, Im having the heads > "worked" by Bob Gromm at Gromm Racing in San Jose. Everything short of > porting, but that may come later. > One of the reasons I am doing the heads, as stated here before, is no > power from about 8500' on up. Kinda annoying driving over Sonora Pass - > 10500' - and on some sections before the pass proper, I had to go into > first just to make it up the grade. At maybe 15 mph. There is some part [ 16 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Dec 10 16:48:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBALmA424993 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:48:10 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:48:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200212102148.gBALm9024989@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: RE: Registration Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org what are the correct answers? From bens Tue Dec 10 16:53:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBALr1425033 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:53:01 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:53:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200212102153.gBALr0625029@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Registration Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org that would be telling. (any prisoner fans here?) > > what are the correct answers? > > john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens Tue Dec 10 16:58:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBALwnG25066 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:58:49 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:58:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200212102158.gBALwnu25062@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: airflow and altitude Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, as soon as everybody comes over for a "work party"! Har...Actually, no..Having the block and pistons checked out to see if they're still good. Haven't heard a report on the block yet. I guessing sometime in Jan.-Feb. area. >>> holland@loser.net 12/10/02 11:57AM >>> Sounds like some pretty exciting work you're having done Eric! Be really interesting to see how it works out - any idea as to how much longer til it's done? Shannon On Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 08:10 AM, Eric Johnson wrote: > > > Since I decided to go full rebuild on my 3.9, Im having the heads > "worked" by Bob Gromm at Gromm Racing in San Jose. Everything short of > porting, but that may come later. > One of the reasons I am doing the heads, as stated here before, is no > power from about 8500' on up. Kinda annoying driving over Sonora Pass - > 10500' - and on some sections before the pass proper, I had to go into > first just to make it up the grade. At maybe 15 mph. There is some part [ 16 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Dec 10 19:27:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBB0R8O25732 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:27:08 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:27:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200212110027.gBB0R7C25728@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Registration Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >what are the correct answers? #1. No, I didn't take it totally apart. #2. It was moved on a trailer. Wheels NEVER hit the road. #3. It was "running" just never used. If they choose, they can require a complete inspection and other nasty things... RW -- Blaming Guns for Crime is Like Blaming Spoons for Rosie O'Donnell Being Fat From bens Tue Dec 10 19:32:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBB0WBj25771 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:32:11 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:32:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200212110032.gBB0WBY25767@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Registration Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Russ Wilson wrote: > > >what are the correct answers? > > #1. No, I didn't take it totally apart. Hadn't thought about that one.. > #2. It was moved on a trailer. Wheels NEVER hit the > road. VERY IMPORTANT! I found out teh hard way once... > #3. It was "running" just never used. Why this one? > If they choose, they can require a complete inspection > and other > nasty things... ...but they didn't...right... Paul __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Tue Dec 10 20:02:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBB12iD25921 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:02:44 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:02:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200212110102.gBB12ii25917@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Registration Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Russ Wilson wrote: > >what are the correct answers? > #1. No, I didn't take it totally apart. > #2. It was moved on a trailer. Wheels NEVER hit > the road. > #3. It was "running" just never used. NOW you tell me... hehe :) > If they choose, they can require a complete > inspection and other > nasty things... Like brake and lamp inspections. I'm sure the reason I've had such a hard time selling The African is when I come to that point in the conversation. Am I mistaken Granny, or did you not get The African registered either?? Because I know Paul didn't, and I haven't been able to... Maybe I should go try again with the correct answer. Stirling. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Tue Dec 10 20:12:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBB1C3e25978 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:12:03 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:12:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200212110112.gBB1C3W25974@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Registration Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Stirling Anderson wrote: > > --- Russ Wilson wrote: > > >what are the correct answers? > > #1. No, I didn't take it totally apart. > > #2. It was moved on a trailer. Wheels NEVER hit > > the road. > > #3. It was "running" just never used. > NOW you tell me... hehe :) again sorta true...Granny would turn it over every once in a while over the years, so when I tore into things, it turned over smoothly with the crank, and started up on first turn with the key on......a beast that was not running wouldn't do that...right? ;-) > > If they choose, they can require a complete > > inspection and other > > nasty things... > Like brake and lamp inspections. I'm sure the reason > I've had such a hard time selling The African is when > I come to that point in the conversation. Why are these people so scared of that/ Maybe AI should talk to Peter in San Diego. He was supposed to be the buyer, and than ended up getting a rangie as daily transpo instead. he still likes/wants the beastie...I think...I'll dig up his e-mail...he wasn't worried about the dmv any more than I was. >Am I > mistaken Granny, or did you not get The African > registered either?? Because I know Paul didn't, and I > haven't been able to... Maybe I should go try again > with the correct answer. Stirling. It's not done yet? I thought you got the B&L inspection over with! It was used on the family farm for the past XX years, than trailered down to San Jose, where you did some work on it prior to taking to dmv! That was basicly what is true...Yes it really was on our family farm! ;-) (years, weeks? whatever...) Paul __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Tue Dec 10 21:55:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBB2tvv26425 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:55:57 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:55:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200212110255.gBB2tvq26421@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Registration Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Paul Archibald wrote: > It's not done yet? I thought you got the B&L > inspection > over with! Nope... I ran out of time/money/gumption etc.. etc... "STOP Who would cross the DMV must answer me these questions three, ere the other side he see" __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Tue Dec 10 22:26:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBB3QIN26568 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:26:18 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:26:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200212110326.gBB3QIJ26564@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: bouncy ride Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This guy from "Bayou Rovers" has an opportunity for people to experience driving a Series truck. (don't worry - the effect lasts less than 10 sec!) JFM '67 SIIA 109 SW http://www.bayourovers.com/magdrive.html __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Tue Dec 10 23:43:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBB4hEe27008 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:43:14 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:43:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200212110443.gBB4hE027004@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: High Altitude/Electric Super Chargers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Shannon wrote about a loss of power at high altitude: The loss of power is due to the thinner air not a lack of air, I would be out of breath running a mile at 9,000 feet even if I had an electric fan pumping more thin air in to my mouth. Shannon then wrote: > I did a quick search around ebay and there are some >inline electric superchargers that claim to push around >450cfm. I've heard that people use bilge blowers also >for a cheap supercharger. None of these work at all. I'm not an engineer but on the BMW list over the past years engineers have posted that basically for an electric motor to do anything it will be so huge that you will need two big alternators to power it and all the extra power will be used to turn the alternators. Ever wonder why no major auto manufacturer has ever used an electric supercharger and the only place to buy one is on eBay or from the back of an import performance magazine (next to the 18" tail pipe and neon window squirter ads). Kevin Kelly From bens Wed Dec 11 00:54:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBB5sF228708 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:54:15 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:54:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200212110554.gBB5sF728704@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Land Rover Manuals on Line Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Free Land Rover Manuals on line from S1 to 2003 Range Rover http://the-land-rover-portal.com/Manuals/manuals.htm Kevin From bens Wed Dec 11 00:58:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBB5w9S28737 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:58:09 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:58:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200212110558.gBB5w9D28733@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: G4 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey guys, G4 is pretty interesting. I have been sworn to secrecy until the American trials are over, so I won't be saying much. Saw John Hong there, so I would suspect that we'll be seeing an article and photographs from him in a couple of months. I won't be attending the American trials, I have a job in SLC for the rest of the week, so I will miss seeing anyone from any of the lists. :( Sorry to have so little to say about the selections, (I debated weather I should post this at all)... Later, Michael _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From bens Wed Dec 11 01:13:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBB6DxL28816 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 01:13:59 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 01:13:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200212110613.gBB6Dw928812@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: High Altitude/Electric Super Chargers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Was poking around on the web looking for more technical info on all this and just decided to search on e-bay for an "electric supercharger". I found this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1874552347 Pretty funny, and rather relevant to the discussion at hand. Shannon On Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 08:43 PM, Kevin Kelly wrote: > > Shannon wrote about a loss of power at high altitude: > > The loss of power is due to the thinner air not a lack of air, I would > be > out of breath running a mile at 9,000 feet even if I had an electric fan > pumping more thin air in to my mouth. > > Shannon then wrote: [ 21 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Dec 11 03:07:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBB87qc29213 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 03:07:52 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 03:07:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200212110807.gBB87pr29209@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Registration Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Stirling Anderson wrote: > > > --- Paul Archibald wrote: > > It's not done yet? I thought you got the B&L > > inspection > > over with! > Nope... I ran out of time/money/gumption etc.. etc... I told you.....just win teh lottery, than you can keep it, and have everything else you want...... Elgie is sitting right now for similar reasons....I think I will not drive Elgie again.....until I do teh frame swap etc.....and finally get the manifold stud issue taken care of... ;-( ...did your pops sell his f-350 yet? > "STOP Who would cross the DMV must answer me these > questions three, ere the other side he see" Good! What're you smoking/drinking? ;-) Paul __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Wed Dec 11 10:19:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBBFJME31351 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:19:22 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:19:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200212111519.gBBFJMN31347@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Land Rover Manuals on Line Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yeah, they're "free" if you hit the Paypal button for $50. >>> kkelly6788@earthlink.net 12/10/02 09:54PM >>> Free Land Rover Manuals on line from S1 to 2003 Range Rover http://the-land-rover-portal.com/Manuals/manuals.htm Kevin From bens Wed Dec 11 11:16:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBBGGqb31631 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:16:52 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:16:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200212111616.gBBGGqC31627@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Land Rover Manuals on Line Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So does this mean Rover is getting the money for the manuals or is someone making piracy pay? > Yeah, they're "free" if you hit the Paypal button for $50. >> Free Land Rover Manuals on line from S1 to 2003 Range Rover >> http://the-land-rover-portal.com/Manuals/manuals.htm TeriAnn J. Wakeman Santa Cruz, California http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman A member of the internet community since 1985. From bens Wed Dec 11 11:27:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBBGR7v31681 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:27:07 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:27:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200212111627.gBBGR7Z31677@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: Land Rover Manuals on Line(noLR content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well it resolves to 213.171.193.31 which looks like it belongs to this ISP Fasthosts Internet Ltd Discovery House 154 Southgate Street 154 Southgate Street Gloucester, Gloucestershire GL1 2EX GB I wonder if they can be held liable for copy write infringement as we can if we are notified of a copy write problem. Example I received a notice from campus that a computer on my subnet was serving out the movie "salton Sea (http://saltonseamovie.warnerbros.com/cmp/flash.html?theTarget=_top) and that if we took care of it nothing happened, but if it continued the University could be sued big time. It turned out a new faculty brought her computer from Montana, and it had a trojan on it which was used to install some FTP software.... Fdisk fixed the problem. -Rob From bens Wed Dec 11 11:33:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBBGXNM31721 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:33:23 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:33:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200212111633.gBBGXMJ31717@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Thomas Joyner" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Shannon's trip to altitude Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >How much do you advance the timing by? Might well be worth trying given >I'll likely be at high altitude for 5-6 days! >Shannon Shannon, I live at 6500' and drive a '88 RR which used to have a 3.5l in it. I have always run 11 degrees of timing advance and never had a ping, or knock or had it run hot. Getting the truck over some 10K' passes near home have always been affairs of patience, I chalk that up to the small displacement/ heavy vehicle combo. I would reccommend advancing your timing to that point when you get higher up in you travels (it's really an easy job to do). If you're in the vicinity of Durango, feel free to look me up for a beer or a timing light (maybe you can help me finish stuffing the new 4.2L into my rangie too!). Tom 88 RR Durango 970-426-9025 cell From bens Wed Dec 11 11:51:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBBGpck31811 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:51:38 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:51:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200212111651.gBBGpcf31807@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Land Rover Manuals on Line Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org But if you want to download the PDF's, they are free. Just the CDs cost. Bob B At 08:16 AM 12/11/2002, you wrote: >So does this mean Rover is getting the money for the manuals or is >someone making piracy pay? > > > Yeah, they're "free" if you hit the Paypal button for $50. > > >> Free Land Rover Manuals on line from S1 to 2003 Range Rover > >> http://the-land-rover-portal.com/Manuals/manuals.htm > >TeriAnn J. Wakeman [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Dec 11 11:56:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBBGu2431840 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:56:02 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:56:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200212111656.gBBGu2X31836@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: Land Rover Manuals on Line Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > > But if you want to download the PDF's, they are free. > Just the CDs cost. But not all the pdf's are up...:) And this still has to be copy write infringment. But if you already own the book of what you are downloading then you are just getting an electronic backup of your book.:) From bens Wed Dec 11 12:07:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBBH75Y31894 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:07:05 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:07:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200212111707.gBBH75031890@minbar.fourfold.org> From: StevHutch@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: OFF topic: For motorcycle riders... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="UTF-8" ] [ 17 lines filtered. ] Content-Language: en The new wear-able Air bag: Dainese , a protective sports clothing maker in Vicenza, Italy has developed= =20 a wearable airbag vest - called the D-Air - designed to cushion riders in th= e=20 event of an accident. The D-Air vest features a tiny electronic computer=20 referred to as the STM (which stands for Sensing, Triggering, and Memory),=20 which was developed by an Israeli company called Merhav APP . According to=20 the article, the STM contains sensors that monitor the bike's physical=20 motion. 'The sensors onboard the STM will watch for telltale signs =E2=80= =94 such as=20 a sudden deceleration force of about ten times that of gravity =E2=80=94 tha= t precede=20 a collision. Once the computer determines an impending accident, the STM=20 blasts the data to receiver in the vest to start the inflation process.'=20 http://www.aedo-to.com/eng/agora/world%20design/happening/art_08= /art02.html From bens Wed Dec 11 12:28:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBBHScA31995 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:28:38 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:28:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200212111728.gBBHSc031991@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Land Rover Manuals on Line Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It could be. Or not. The Supreme Court hasn't decided the Mickey Mouse case and depending on how the manuals were published some of the earlier ones may be in the public domain. Frank ----------------------------------- Kerner, Rob wrote: >>... >> > And this still has to be copy write >infringment. > From bens Wed Dec 11 12:44:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBBHi2d32109 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:44:02 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:44:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200212111744.gBBHi1032105@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hannaford, Morgan" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: NCRC Holiday Party this Saturday Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just a reminder that the NCRC holiday party is this weekend at the Danville Grange from 4pm - ? Dinner is served at 6pm. Take the Diablo Rd. off 680 in Danville and go East. It is about 1 mile from the freeway on the right. We still have a few open spots if you wish to attend. -Mo From bens Wed Dec 11 14:25:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBBJPQn32679 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:25:26 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:25:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200212111925.gBBJPQP32675@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Shannon's trip to altitude Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Tom, I might very well do that - there's a pretty good chance we'll be passing through Durango (probably around the 28th - our trip essentially has no plans other than leave New Mexico around the 27th and be home around the 1st or 2nd). I think I'll advance the timing a bit before we depart NM (we're at around 4K feet there) and then look at doing it again once we get higher - be interesting to play with it at the higher elevations and see how much of a difference it makes. Thanks! Shannon On Wednesday, December 11, 2002, at 08:33 AM, Thomas Joyner wrote: > Shannon, I live at 6500' and drive a '88 RR which used to have a 3.5l > in it. > I have always run 11 degrees of timing advance and never had a ping, or > knock or had it run hot. Getting the truck over some 10K' passes near > home > have always been affairs of patience, I chalk that up to the small > displacement/ heavy vehicle combo. I would reccommend advancing your > timing > to that point when you get higher up in you travels (it's really an [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Dec 11 14:58:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBBJwZ900348 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:58:35 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:58:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200212111958.gBBJwYM00344@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Nancy Hart To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: NCRC Holiday Party this Saturday Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry, I have to cancel my spot. Ironic that the party is in walking distance (almost) from my home but I have to be in LA this weekend for my work Christmas party. I will be taking the long road home with a friend of mine via the Panamint desert though. -nancy On Wednesday, December 11, 2002, at 09:44 AM, Hannaford, Morgan wrote: > > Just a reminder that the NCRC holiday party is > this weekend at the Danville Grange from 4pm - ? > Dinner is served at 6pm. Take the Diablo Rd. > off 680 in Danville and go East. It is about 1 mile > from the freeway on the right. > We still have a few open spots if you wish to attend. > > -Mo [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] nancyehart@mac.com '97 blued90 #0047 From bens Wed Dec 11 16:07:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBBL7ar00672 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:07:36 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:07:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200212112107.gBBL7a600668@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Jacob's "Uphill" module Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So is this complete hooey or might it be something real: http://www.jacobselectronics.com/products/NewProducts/upm.htm Basically it's an addition to the jacob's ignition systems that senses when the vehicle is pointed uphill and increases spark output (only works with their ignition modules of course). It would seem to me that it would be more useful to have it change the spark when under full (or close to full) throttle rather than just when going uphill? If you want more power when going up a steep hill, you'll probably be under close to full throttle anyway, and then it might benefit you when on the flat as well. Shannon From bens Wed Dec 11 19:22:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBC0ML401621 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:22:21 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:22:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200212120022.gBC0MLN01617@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: RE: NCRC Holiday Party this Saturday Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Emily and I look forward to seeing everyone there. She is flying back from the East Coast on Saturday morning. From bens Wed Dec 11 22:03:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBC33Cb02329 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:03:12 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:03:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200212120303.gBC33Cg02325@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: "life time warrranty" - not LR but could be Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In the age of buy outs, bankruptcies and take overs, I just realized a "life time warranty" can be meaningless when a vendor changes ownership. A 5 yr old (30K miles) rebuilt rack & pinion for my Jaguar XJ6 started leaking a few months ago. I finally decided to dig out my paperwork which included the original warranty (and even a return tag!). I then called the company and after stating they didn't have my invoice number in their "updated" system, they admitted they were new owners and my warranty didn't mean much to them and they'd be happy to sell me another rack. After I acted perplexed and read choice words from the warranty, they finally offered to sell me another for about 1/2 price plus core. I accepted. What do people think? Can they really ignore the warranty especially when the company name didn't change? Thanks, Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW '82 XJ6 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Wed Dec 11 22:36:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBC3aeE02458 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:36:40 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:36:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200212120336.gBC3aee02454@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: RE: "life time warrranty" - not LR but could be Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 38 lines filtered. ] Unless they picked up the company out of receivership (from the court), they inherit all the history and obligations. I wold stick to your guns. If they did buy the company from its debtors, then they owe you nothing. Jon From bens Wed Dec 11 23:58:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBC4wRl02779 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:58:27 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:58:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200212120458.gBC4wQK02775@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeremy Bartlett To: mendo Subject: Re: Registration Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hmmm... reminds me KAR120C plates are already taken. I saw them, of on all things a Honda Civic (?) a couple years ago. Jeremy P.S. I've got all the episodes on video. >that would be telling. >(any prisoner fans here?) >> >> what are the correct answers? >> From bens Thu Dec 12 01:02:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBC62ON04390 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:02:24 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:02:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200212120602.gBC62OZ04386@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: RE: Registration Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Jeremy - I have all the Prisoners too, I bought the DVD collection when I saw it at Costco. Jon From bens Thu Dec 12 01:06:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBC66Gf04419 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:06:16 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:06:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200212120606.gBC66Gv04415@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: Ron Ramies Automotive, Inc? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I received a glossy flyer in the mail today from Ron Ramies Automotive in Portola Valley. Anybody had work done by then / know of them? Jon From bens Thu Dec 12 01:09:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBC69ut04449 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:09:56 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:09:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200212120609.gBC69tN04445@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Registration Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/enriched; ] [ 62 lines filtered. ] --Apple-Mail-2--910784619 charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hey, those would be great to borrow! The cool store in town (Alternate Universe) shut down. The owner was more into anime, but had some sci-fi as well. What about Secret Agent? The show Mcgoohan was in before the prisoner. cheers, On Wednesday, December 11, 2002, at 08:58 PM, Jeremy Bartlett wrote: > > Hmmm... reminds me KAR120C plates are already taken. I saw them, of on > all things a Honda Civic (?) a couple years ago. > > Jeremy > P.S. I've got all the episodes on video. > >> that would be telling. > [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem --Apple-Mail-2--910784619 From bens Thu Dec 12 01:18:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBC6IrN04498 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:18:53 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:18:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200212120618.gBC6Iqh04494@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: "life time warrranty" - not LR but could be Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I would assume that the follow on company didn't buy the old company, just the assets and the name. If they did actually absorb the corporation, then they are responsible for all the warranties that the original company has outstanding. Probably cost you more money to have an attorney feret out the legalities than the deal they made you on the replacment. One of those cases where you might be able to make them honor the original guarantee but you wouldn't have won anything. One of the reasons VP Cheney's old company is in financial difficulty is from a corporation they absorbed. They apparently didn't do enough due diligence as the company turned out to have a big exposure to asbestos law suits. Notwithstanding the validity of the asbestos suits, the purchase turned out to be a major loser because of the enormous legal expenses. Never, ever, ever, ever buy a corporation. Buy the rights to the name and the assets but not the corporatation itself. If you buy the corporation you take on all the obligations of that corporation. Aloha Peter O. --- joe mulqueen wrote: > > In the age of buy outs, bankruptcies and take overs, > I > just realized a "life time warranty" can be > meaningless when a vendor changes ownership. > > A 5 yr old (30K miles) rebuilt rack & pinion for my > Jaguar XJ6 started leaking a few months ago. I > finally decided to dig out my paperwork which [ 27 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Thu Dec 12 02:13:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBC7Df404728 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 02:13:41 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 02:13:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200212120713.gBC7DfL04724@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Registration Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The full set of Prisoner is now on dvd - saw them at Costco last week. Costco also had, some time ago, all the Avengers on VHS. Secret Agent Man is available on VHS at some video rental stores. Frank ---------------------- John Hess wrote: > ... >Hey, those would be great to borrow! The cool store in town (Alternate >Universe) shut down. The owner was more into anime, but had some >sci-fi as well. What about Secret Agent? The show Mcgoohan was in >before the prisoner. > From bens Thu Dec 12 02:39:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBC7dJp04830 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 02:39:19 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 02:39:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200212120739.gBC7dJl04826@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: totally off-topic: last 4 episodes of The Sopranos? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Did anyone here by chance record in some form the last 4 episodes of The Sopranos? I missed them and would very much like to watch them prior to their release on DVD in like 8 months. And if any wiseguy here tries to give away something I missed I'll break your legs. jpipes From bens Thu Dec 12 09:50:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBCEoId06925 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:50:18 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:50:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200212121450.gBCEoIg06921@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: Summer newsletter Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just wanted to confirm people did receive the summer newsletter in November? No one has sent me any responses to "Where's Regent." I guess no one wants a free T-shirt. -Rob From bens Thu Dec 12 09:59:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBCEx5j06974 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:59:05 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:59:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200212121459.gBCEx5V06970@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Summer newsletter Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org We don't have ours, yet. C Kerner, Rob wrote: >Just wanted to confirm people did receive the summer newsletter in >November? > >No one has sent me any responses to "Where's Regent." I guess no one >wants a free T-shirt. > >-Rob > > From bens Thu Dec 12 10:30:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBCFUUi07181 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:30:30 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:30:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200212121530.gBCFUUs07177@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: "Yahoo! Member Services" Subject: Fw: virus alert Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 4 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Multipart/Alternative; ] [ Text/Plain; ] [ Text/HTML; ] [ image/gif ] [ 616 lines filtered. ] --------------Boundary-00=_Y0J0QL80000000000000 From bens Thu Dec 12 10:31:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBCFVBN07196 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:31:11 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:31:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200212121531.gBCFVAl07192@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: , "Yahoo! Member Services" Subject: virus alert Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 417 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" My address book was infected with a virus and as a result so has yours, = because your address is in my book. The virus is called jdbgmgr.exe. It = cannot be detected by Norton or McAfee anti-virus programs.It sits = quietly for 14 days before damaging the system.It is sent automatically = by messenger and by the address book, whether or not you send emails. =20 We received this unknowingly ,just as you apparently have. Please check = your computer. I AM VERY SORRY, BUT I WAS INFECTED ALSO THE SAME WAY.=20 =20 =20 The easiest way to find out if you have it and to get rid of it is as = follows: =20 =20 1. Go to "start" button in the lower left corner,click on it and then = move your pointer up to "find" or "search". =20 2. Click on "find' or 'search" and move over to "files or folders" and click on it. =20 3. A new window will open- type in the top space the name=20 "JDBGMGR.EXE", move your pointer to the bottom white space and make=20 sure it is set to search your "C" drive ( or whatever your main=20 drive designation is). =20 4 Click "find or "search" to begin the search. =20 5 The virus has a Teddy Bear logo with the name jdbgmgr.exe =20 6 DO NOT OPEN DO NOT OPEN =20 7 RIGHT click on the LOGO and point and click on "delete" on the window = that opens. =20 8 Go to the recycle bin on your desktop and Right click on it and then = click on "empty recycle bin". =20 9 IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS, YOU MUST CONTACT EVERYONE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK. =20 I AM TRULY SORRY FOR THE INCONVENIENCE , I HAD TO DO THE SAME THING.. All The Best RSP From bens Thu Dec 12 10:36:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBCFaGX07235 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:36:16 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:36:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200212121536.gBCFaGP07231@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Summer newsletter Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/enriched; ] [ 48 lines filtered. ] --Apple-Mail-2--876803147 charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I got mine but didn't really have a clue. Is it possible they're all Mendo? One looks like Yosemite, but that could be trap. cheers, On Thursday, December 12, 2002, at 06:50 AM, Kerner, Rob wrote: > > Just wanted to confirm people did receive the summer newsletter in > November? > > No one has sent me any responses to "Where's Regent." I guess no one > wants a free T-shirt. > > -Rob > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem --Apple-Mail-2--876803147 From bens Thu Dec 12 10:54:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBCFsUF07362 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:54:30 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:54:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200212121554.gBCFsU407358@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: , "Yahoo! Member Services" Subject: Fw: virus alert Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 29 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" JDBMGR is not a virus, it is a HOAX. http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/jdbgmgr.exe.file.= hoax.html From bens Thu Dec 12 11:12:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBCGCAs07489 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:12:10 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:12:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200212121612.gBCGCAI07485@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: "Yahoo! Member Services" Subject: RE: virus alert Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 4 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Multipart/Alternative; ] [ Text/Plain; ] [ Text/HTML; ] [ image/gif ] [ 111 lines filtered. ] --------------Boundary-00=_AYJ0H890000000000000 From bens Thu Dec 12 11:20:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBCGKFO07532 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:20:15 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:20:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200212121620.gBCGKEa07528@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cc: Subject: RE: virus alert Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Daniel, This is about the 6-7 time you sent empty stuff !!! Maybe you have another virus or two or three ??? Bob B At 08:12 AM 12/12/2002, you wrote: > [ 4 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ Multipart/Alternative; ] > [ Text/Plain; ] > [ Text/HTML; ] > [ image/gif ] > [ 111 lines filtered. ] > >--------------Boundary-00=_AYJ0H890000000000000 From bens Thu Dec 12 11:32:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBCGWYv07629 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:32:34 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:32:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200212121632.gBCGWYU07625@minbar.fourfold.org> From: BwanaE@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Free LROIs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 13 lines filtered. ] Our library shelves have run out of space (too many hunting books) so it's time to thin the herd a little. I'll be hauling 8 or 9 years worth of Land Rover Owner International magazines (in LRO's green binders) to the NCRC Christmas party Saturday night. I'll plonk 'em on a table and they're free...take one or take all. Cheers, Eric. Eric Cope 1232 Appaloosa Road Angels Camp, CA. 95222 Home phone: 209-736-9279 Cell phone: 209-988-2842 E-mail: BwanaE@aol.com From bens Thu Dec 12 11:51:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBCGpSs07787 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:51:28 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:51:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200212121651.gBCGpRX07783@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: blank e-mails Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 32 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" hi fellow mendoites.. i have sent out a virus alert, and a virus alert hoax to you this = morning i apologize for the 1st alert, and felt obligated to follow-up with the = 2nd. the mendo filter doesn't like one of my e-mail programs (incredimail) so = it dumps the messages. i am sending this note via outlook express, hoping that it gets through = to you.... From bens Thu Dec 12 11:54:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBCGsAx07814 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:54:10 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:54:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200212121654.gBCGsAd07810@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: blank e-mails Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Daniel the reason Mendo dumps your messages from incredimail is because it is using background, which gets turned into an attachment which mendo dumps. -Rob From bens Thu Dec 12 13:10:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBCIAmx08262 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:10:48 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:10:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200212121810.gBCIAmY08258@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: blank e-mails Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Daniel, If you keep using outlook express, you will probably get more viriiiii!! Bob B At 08:51 AM 12/12/2002, you wrote: >nd. > >the mendo filter doesn't like one of my e-mail programs (incredimail) so = >it dumps the messages. > >i am sending this note via outlook express, hoping that it gets through = >to you.... From bens Thu Dec 12 13:43:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBCIhB208395 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:43:11 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:43:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200212121843.gBCIhB308391@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bruce Grove To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: blank e-mails Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Scott McNealy on Outlook (or Look Out) - "it's the petri dish of choice on the Internet." :-) Bruce Bob & Sue Bernard wrote: From bens Thu Dec 12 13:58:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBCIwYi08495 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:58:34 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:58:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200212121858.gBCIwYS08491@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: RE: Free LROIs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 30 lines filtered. ] Very nice, I'll be interested in many! It is indeed Christmas! hahaha. jpipes From bens Thu Dec 12 14:19:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBCJJ6t08638 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:19:06 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:19:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200212121919.gBCJJ5D08634@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: blank e-mails Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I don't know... as often as hampk5 crashed around here, I don't think we can talk all that much... Stirling "right down the road in MPK24" Anderson --- Bruce Grove wrote: > > > Scott McNealy on Outlook (or Look Out) > - "it's the petri dish of choice on the Internet." > :-) > > Bruce __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Thu Dec 12 15:20:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBCKKOM09158 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:20:24 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:20:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200212122020.gBCKKNt09154@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: Updates to club website Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I added the latest newsletter to the club website. I've also updated the officer contact list since we have some new officers in the club. Lastly, if anyone doesn't know how to get to the party this weekend I've added an interactive map to the event listing. jpipes From bens Thu Dec 12 17:26:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBCMQiF09867 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:26:44 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:26:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200212122226.gBCMQhX09863@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: Looking for Defender front bumper... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey all, does anyone have a spare or used Defender stock front bumper, ESPECIALLY the one designed for the NAS 110 with the cut-outs for the turn indicators? I'm looking to purchase one!! If anyone has one and could bring it to this weekends NCRC party, that would be ever more splendid. Let me know via private email if you do... jpipes From bens Thu Dec 12 21:41:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBD2fln11329 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:41:47 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:41:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200212130241.gBD2fk611317@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Registration Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Guys: you have to remember NEVER to volunteer any info!!!!!!!!!! You bought a truck that isn't registered or in the system, then you want to register a truck, wether it's a straightforward registration, or a transfer of ownership - and that's ALL that the DMV needs to know. They DON'T need to know if the truck has been in pieces for 50 years, they don't need to know if you're restoring it - they just want your damn money, and the more you tell them, the more they'll charge you. Tell them that you used a trailer/flatbed to move it: if ANY of the wheels are on the ground when you move it, then you just admitted to "driving" an unregistered vehicle, and they'll hit you with extra fees for doing that. Tell them that you just put it back together - or show them any declarations that you got it in pieces, and they'll make you take it for a "safety inspection" (is this still free? Doubt it due to Stirling's problems with his lights that really are legal) If it's been sitting, then that's okay to tell them, so long as you tell them that it was NOT on the street the entire time - or they'll again hit you with extra fees. (this doesn't work if it's been issued a parking/traffic ticket, BTW...) If you can, have a "vehicle verifier" come to you to verify the VIN/plates, etc. with the vehicle in your driveway or backyard (please make sure the plates are on it!), THEN take all required forms to the DMV already filled out (the verifiers usually have any and all forms that you may need - or they'll tell you what to fill out). Granted, they charge at least $25.00-50.00 to do this, but it saves you from being questioned by DMV officials when they're looking at your $1500 E-Type that you have on a trailer in their office parking lot, that's in immaculate condition. Russ got lucky: he needed a couple of Certificates of Non-Operation, and the lady - though kinda aggrivated at handling his registration - let him fill them out at the counter! (otherwise, they would have tried to charge him for late fees dating back to 1979, though they can't do that anymore!) Charles On Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:32:11 -0500 Paul Archibald writes: > > > --- Russ Wilson wrote: > > > > >what are the correct answers? > > > > #1. No, I didn't take it totally apart. > Hadn't thought about that one.. > [ 20 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Thu Dec 12 21:41:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBD2flV11327 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:41:47 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:41:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200212130241.gBD2fkb11320@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Registration Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...He forgot to mention that he wet his pants! :) Charles On Tue, 10 Dec 2002 02:30:13 -0500 Russ Wilson writes: > > I have entered the cave of the dragon (DMV) and escaped with not > only > my life but also my registration. What a zoo. CA makes me laugh / > cry everytime I do something with a vehicle. "How long has the > vehicle been sitting?" "How did you get the vehicle home?" "What > amount of work was required to get the vehicle running?" Answer > incorrectly any of these questions and your life will suck. I > managed to get lucky. I was the last customer at the DMV and the [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Thu Dec 12 21:41:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBD2flY11328 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:41:47 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:41:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200212130241.gBD2fkt11311@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: airflow and altitude Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Eric, You SURE that it's not the gearbox??? I've travelled to Dave G.'s place (8900 feet or therabouts) with my stock '89 Rangie twice, (3.9 engine, ZF auto) as well as made several trips to Reno with the girlfriend (JUST walked in the door from one such trip) via Donner, and the only time I've ever had trouble going uphill, was when the kick-down cable wasn't adjusted correctly, or when it was waaaaaaaaaaay past time to change the gearbox fluid/filter - which was done just this past Monday: seems that last week when I came back from Visalia, I could only hit 50mph going up the Grapevine, when I usually did a minimum of 65. I looked at the tach, and the engine seemed to be revving at the usual RPM - yet I was moving slower and slower. I asked myself when was the last time I replaced the gearbox filter, and I seemed to recall this past March, but with all the miles I've been driving maybe it was time again. Did it Monday, and was moving past the I-5/Hwy 14 split at 75mph in 4th, for the first time ever! Overall time from Visalia to Reno via Donner was exactly 5hrs. Granted, I'm not doing 100mph up those grades, but I can hang in there at 70mph in 4th - maybe 3rd, with Russ W. (and my girlfriend) as a witness. Could also be timing, vacum leaks, plugged catalyst, head gasket, but I don't know if I'd dump the cash into a new engine just yet, unless you want to. Charles On Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:10:22 -0500 "Eric Johnson" writes: > > > Since I decided to go full rebuild on my 3.9, Im having the heads > "worked" by Bob Gromm at Gromm Racing in San Jose. Everything short > of > porting, but that may come later. > One of the reasons I am doing the heads, as stated here before, is > no > power from about 8500' on up. Kinda annoying driving over Sonora [ 27 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Fri Dec 13 08:16:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBDDG1Y15858 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:16:01 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:16:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200212131316.gBDDG1315854@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: Re: blank e-mails Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org hi... I will be reinstalling Eudora after my computer moves to its new location..I love that program... and you too!! Cheers, and sorry about all the blank mendo e-mails..the background on incredimail is an attachment, so mendo kicks them all.. happy holidaze!! see you sat? Cheers, Daniel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob & Sue Bernard" To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 10:10 AM Subject: Re: blank e-mails > > Daniel, > If you keep using outlook express, you will probably get more viriiiii!! > > Bob B > > At 08:51 AM 12/12/2002, you wrote: > >nd. > > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] = > >it dumps the messages. > > > >i am sending this note via outlook express, hoping that it gets through = > >to you.... > From bens Fri Dec 13 10:00:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBDF0Qd16412 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:00:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:00:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200212131500.gBDF0Qd16408@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: Summer newsletter Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > I got mine but didn't really have a clue. Is it possible they're all > Mendo? One looks like Yosemite, but that could be trap. > Now that it is on the website. Download it and look at the pictures in acrobat reader, this way you can make they larger. -Rob From bens Fri Dec 13 10:37:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBDFbPX16701 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:37:25 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:37:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200212131537.gBDFbOa16697@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Randy Katz" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Mojave Road Questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have the book and noticed that it says you need a special permit for a caravan of more than seven vehicles. Is this an issue for the End of Year trip? Also, given that we have entered our typical Winter weather pattern of a sequence of Pacific storms, with significant rainfall in the southland, how does this affect the navigation of the Mojave Road? Randy From bens Fri Dec 13 11:00:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBDG0eA16859 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:00:40 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:00:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200212131600.gBDG0dN16855@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: airflow and altitude Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org No. but gearbox filter was done @ 10K ago. Engine was/is a problem, with the plugged rocker arm, worn cam, worn mains and rod bearings, and fuel injectors being way out of spec. >>> cirvin1258@juno.com 12/12/02 06:41PM >>> Eric, You SURE that it's not the gearbox??? I've travelled to Dave G.'s place (8900 feet or therabouts) with my stock '89 Rangie twice, (3.9 engine, ZF auto) as well as made several trips to Reno with the girlfriend (JUST walked in the door from one such trip) via Donner, and the only time I've ever had trouble going uphill, was when the kick-down cable wasn't adjusted correctly, or when it was waaaaaaaaaaay past time to change the gearbox fluid/filter - which was done just this past Monday: seems that last week when I came back from Visalia, I could only hit 50mph going up the Grapevine, when I usually did a minimum of 65. I looked at the tach, and the engine seemed to be revving at the usual RPM - yet I was moving slower and slower. I asked myself when was the last time I replaced the gearbox filter, and I seemed to recall this past March, but with all the miles I've been driving maybe it was time again. Did it Monday, and was moving past the I-5/Hwy 14 split at 75mph in 4th, for the first time ever! Overall time from Visalia to Reno via Donner was exactly 5hrs. Granted, I'm not doing 100mph up those grades, but I can hang in there at 70mph in 4th - maybe 3rd, with Russ W. (and my girlfriend) as a witness. Could also be timing, vacum leaks, plugged catalyst, head gasket, but I don't know if I'd dump the cash into a new engine just yet, unless you want to. Charles On Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:10:22 -0500 "Eric Johnson" writes: > > > Since I decided to go full rebuild on my 3.9, Im having the heads > "worked" by Bob Gromm at Gromm Racing in San Jose. Everything short > of > porting, but that may come later. > One of the reasons I am doing the heads, as stated here before, is > no > power from about 8500' on up. Kinda annoying driving over Sonora [ 27 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Fri Dec 13 11:18:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBDGIFN16974 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:18:15 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:18:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200212131618.gBDGIEj16970@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Shannon Holland" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: airflow and altitude Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It's going to be interesting as to ow it goes for me this year. Just had a leaky vacuum advance fixed (think that only went bad recently though). Otherwise, last year te tranny was on it's way out (was replaced within a month of getting back) and te front diff was having problems. Was aware the tranny was on it's way, although it didn't get bad until I got back. Had no idea the diff was bad (thought it was the usual transfer case input gear wear as it exhibited itself as the typical driveline clunk). Anyway, when I replaced the diff with the truetrac, I got an extra 0.5mpg, so I'm sure that will make a difference! I am so bored! Had a meeting scheduled for 8:30 this morning at 880/Montague. Though traffic would be really bad so I left the house (redwood estates) at 7:10 and got here at 7:45 (including stopping for coffeee). Thank god for wireless email! Shannon On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 8:07AM -0800, Eric Johnson wrote: > > I've travelled to Dave G.'s place (8900 feet or therabouts) with my > stock > '89 Rangie twice, (3.9 engine, ZF auto) as well as made several trips > to > Reno with the girlfriend (JUST walked in the door from one such trip) > via > Donner, and the only time I've ever had trouble going uphill, was when > the kick-down cable wasn't adjusted correctly, or when it was [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Dec 13 11:23:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBDGNKA17005 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:23:20 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:23:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200212131623.gBDGNJf17001@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mojave Road Questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 17 lines filtered. ] Good point. An application is being sent to me now. The charge is $50 and there are insurance requirements. I hate to make this a burden but I'll need to know who is coming. This needs to be fairly definite at this point. Vehicle, license plate/state of registration and insurance company would be more than helpful. If you have a rider, just give me their names. Reply directly to me at gerry.elam@corporate.ge.com as to not clutter up the list with info that you probably really don't want to share. I'll fill out the application and consolidate our information. Fill free to slip me a few $$$ on the trail to help offset the permit cost! :-) Cheers, Gerry From bens Fri Dec 13 11:26:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBDGQaA17078 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:26:36 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:26:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200212131626.gBDGQaa17074@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: RE: wireless email Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Shannon - I hear you one the wireless email. One of my greatest losses due to my current unemployment is no more Blackberry! Jon From bens Fri Dec 13 11:28:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBDGSIV17097 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:28:18 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:28:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200212131628.gBDGSIi17093@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: Mojave Road Questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Good point. An application is being sent to me now. The > charge is $50 and there are insurance requirements. > This doesn't sound like any Not-a-trip that I've ever heard of? :) Lazy-Buggers don't fill out applications. -Rob From bens Fri Dec 13 11:31:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBDGVQ217136 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:31:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:31:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200212131631.gBDGVQr17132@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mojave Road Questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Disregard the details request..... I think a vehicle/people count will be sufficient after looking at the application. Thanks! Gerry Good point. An application is being sent to me now. The charge is $50 and there are insurance requirements. I hate to make this a burden but I'll need to know who is coming. This needs to be fairly definite at this point. Vehicle, license plate/state of registration and insurance company would be more than helpful. If you have a rider, just give me their names. Reply directly to me at gerry.elam@corporate.ge.com as to not clutter up the list with info that you probably really don't want to share. I'll fill out the application and consolidate our information. Fill free to slip me a few $$$ on the trail to help offset the permit cost! :-) Cheers, Gerry From bens Fri Dec 13 11:31:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBDGVa817153 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:31:36 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:31:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200212131631.gBDGVZ717149@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Road Questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Also, given that we have entered our typical Winter weather pattern of > a > sequence of Pacific storms, with significant rainfall in the > southland, how > does this affect the navigation of the Mojave Road? It has not caused any problems with our annual trips to date. You want to stay on the trail whilst crossing the dry lake bed and wash the underside of your vehicle after the trip. We go through some dry wash beds on the way to the river. If there is a lot of heavy rain during the trip they could be wet wash beds. But unless we are caught in a major gully washer it should not present any problems. Even then you just head to high ground and wait it out. The washes are very shallow and that section of the desert very flat & wide. The river crossing at the end so far has not been too deep for the electronic controlled engines. Though this has been traditionally more of a series vehicle outing with very few if any new Rovers. Well if a new Rover dies from electronics immersion I'm sure a series rig can pull them out. 8*) People with OB whatever controlled engines should be carrying a spare set of engine sensors anyway. TeriAnn J. Wakeman Santa Cruz, California twakeman@cruzers.com http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Fri Dec 13 11:44:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBDGiNU17203 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:44:23 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:44:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200212131644.gBDGiNc17199@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Registration Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Charles R Irvin wrote: > Tell them that you just put it back together - or > show them any > declarations that you got it in pieces, and they'll > make you take it for > a "safety inspection" (is this still free? Doubt it > due to Stirling's > problems with his lights that really are legal) The DMV won't do this, I asked, you've got to take it to a shop. The one shop I found that was state licensed to do the "Brake and Lamp" inspection told me $130... excluding any parts that they find to be suspect of course. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Fri Dec 13 11:45:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBDGjFv17230 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:45:15 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:45:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200212131645.gBDGjFQ17226@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mojave Road Questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm just lazy enough to want to stay out of jail. The permit appears to be more for organized events like the 'burning man' mess. I doubt we'll have any problems at all. Just a preliminary step as far as I can tell. The alternative is to depart 15 minutes apart in small groups and claim we're not organized. Might be a stretch with all LR and one token jeep. :-) I'd propose listing a total 15 vehicles and 25 people as an estimate and we'll see what happens. Any objections? Cheers, Gerry > Good point. An application is being sent to me now. The > charge is $50 and there are insurance requirements. > This doesn't sound like any Not-a-trip that I've ever heard of? :) Lazy-Buggers don't fill out applications. -Rob From bens Fri Dec 13 11:57:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBDGvnF17371 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:57:49 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:57:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200212131657.gBDGvnL17367@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bruce Grove To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Registration Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Talking of brakes and lights, does anyone know of a source of European headlights for a 95 Disco? I keep dreaming of having lights that actually show me the road ahead, I'm going to add driving lights but decent headlamps would be nice... Cheers, Bruce Stirling Anderson wrote: From bens Fri Dec 13 12:00:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBDH0cV17410 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:00:38 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:00:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200212131700.gBDH0bM17406@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bruce Grove To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Road Questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" wrote: > > The alternative is to depart 15 minutes apart in small groups and claim > we're not organized. Might be a stretch with all LR and one token jeep. > :-) > Exactly, they'll spot in an instant that you're all the Jeep support crew ;-)) Bruce From bens Fri Dec 13 12:27:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBDHRes17695 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:27:40 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:27:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200212131727.gBDHReC17691@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mojave Road Questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Too funny! I've talked to the Mojave office and the rub is that this is a new national park and a new process. She'll talk to the new chief and see if we need to follow all of these requirements but I suspect it's a simple rubber-stamp-send-me-$50-for-the-priviledge-process. I'm awaiting a phone call and will pass that info along. Cheers, Gerry :Exactly, they'll spot in an instant that you're all the Jeep support :crew ;-)) From bens Fri Dec 13 13:48:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBDImCU18098 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:48:12 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:48:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200212131848.gBDImCt18094@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Roger Sinasohn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Summer newsletter Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 09:59 AM 12/12/02 -0500, you wrote: >We don't have ours, yet. > >Kerner, Rob wrote: > > >Just wanted to confirm people did receive the summer newsletter in > >November? If anyone else did not get their newsletter, please let me know and I'll get another one out to you asap. (Or, if you're going to the party on Saturday, let me know that and I'll bring it to you there.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From bens Fri Dec 13 13:52:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBDIq5m18129 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:52:05 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:52:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200212131852.gBDIq5o18125@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Road Questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sounds odd to me as the "new" park is now 7 years old and there must have been TONS of 4WD convoys through the Mojave road during that time. Probably most just don't know or don't bother to ask about permits?? Cheers John Elam, Gerry (CORP) wrote: >Too funny! I've talked to the Mojave office and the rub is that this is a >new national park and a new process. She'll talk to the new chief and see >if we need to follow all of these requirements but I suspect it's a simple >rubber-stamp-send-me-$50-for-the-priviledge-process. > >I'm awaiting a phone call and will pass that info along. > >Cheers, >Gerry [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Dec 13 13:54:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBDIsen18148 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:54:40 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:54:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200212131854.gBDIsdH18144@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: wiper motor questions (more...) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ok, So I got the whole thing mounted and wired and everything is working, and *THEN* I realize that the wiper mounting positions for a LHD vehicle are different from a RHD vehicle. This particular motor setup is for a RHD vehicle, and I converted the crewcab from right to left. Now my question is can I cut the sleeves and rearrange the wiper posts to be in the correct location? It looks like they have a slight flare on them which may or may not be necessary. If I *can't* reposition the posts, does anyone have a LHD motor setup they want to sell/trade/whatever??? Thanks! Michael _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From bens Fri Dec 13 13:56:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBDIuvW18196 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:56:57 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:56:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200212131856.gBDIuul18192@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Road Questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 64 lines filtered. ] --------------090100060801060309010609 I would not underestimate what could happen in the case of a really big storm, as I have pictures of the Union Pacific tracks totally washed out in the Mojave Rover Wash area in about 1938. After that the UP diverted the Mojave River into the Cronese Dry Lakes area to try and avoid a recurrence. However hopefully that is a once in a lifetime or less event. Cheers John TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: >>Also, given that we have entered our typical Winter weather pattern of >>a >>sequence of Pacific storms, with significant rainfall in the >>southland, how >>does this affect the navigation of the Mojave Road? >> >> > >It has not caused any problems with our annual trips to date. You want [ 26 additional quoted lines pruned. ] --------------090100060801060309010609 From bens Fri Dec 13 14:16:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBDJGiw18341 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 14:16:44 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 14:16:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200212131916.gBDJGiw18337@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: RE: Summer newsletter Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 30 lines filtered. ] The most recent edition is now resident on the club website as well - www.norcalrover.org jpipes From bens Fri Dec 13 14:20:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBDJKbr18390 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 14:20:37 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 14:20:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200212131920.gBDJKao18386@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" To: "'mendo'" Subject: woohoo.... next trip in the works... no LR content unfortunately. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Last week, I posted this http://www.ultimatejourney.com/chap132.html to our intrepid group and about the same time, mentioned that I share stuff like this with my father who takes care of my mother full-time. I know that he likes to get out of town when he can arrange for my sister to care for our mother but this trip would require more than the standard week. Just as a side comment, I asked if he might like to see about taking a trip like this. Five days on a boat would do him a world of good. Drink a little beer, watch the birds, etc. At first, he was fairly cool to the suggestion. "Too far", "Too many things have to come together", etc. I found another link which wasn't nearly as complementary about the trip and forwarded that to him. http://www.bootsnall.com/cgi-bin/gt/travelstories/sa/mar01asylum.shtml As we talked more and more, he gradually started to consider it and you know what happened? His mood, his voice, his spirit really started to pick up! It's amazing! My sister got wind of our thoughts and got a bit irritated at me. It's a real burden on her when he's out of town. I knew that and was already thinking about how to manage it. SO, last night, I called and my father tells me that my sister and her son helped him out yesterday and he showed the webpages to Jonathon. "Now he wants to go" according to my father. "Can he afford it?" I asked already knowing the answer: "He can't but his grandfather damned sure can!" He was almost giddy at the thought of a trip now. It's so funny. We talked about care for my mother and I reiterated that we really needed someone else to help my sister. He agreed to that and had already started talking to my sister about alternatives of which he's sure we can work out with a lady who comes to the house twice a week to help him now. He thinks she can stay over a few nights while we're gone. Preliminary plans are to meet in Miami one day this summer and pick up a flight to Belem via Manaus...both in Brazil. A day or two in Belem, Five days on the boat, a day or two in Manaus (I really, really want to see the opera house built there (http://www.geocities.com/john_wattie/amazon/theatro_amazonas.htm), and then back to Miami on Varig and on to PHX. "Yes Virginia, There is a Santa Claus" Merry Christmas to all! Cheers, Gerry PHX AZ From bens Fri Dec 13 15:33:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBDKXFK18784 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:33:15 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:33:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200212132033.gBDKXFC18780@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: Needed: Early IIA Horn collar Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey everyone- The spade contact for my horn (inside the collar that's fastened to the base of the steering wheel) has broken off. So I am hornless. Does anyone have a used one they will part with? Note: this is for the early banjo-spoke style wheel, and I'm not sure if that part carried over to the plastic wheel. Not having a horn in Los Angeles is like having a deathwish. Help! Mo Patrykus --------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance 1st month Free! Sign up today at: www.netzerolongdistance.com From bens Fri Dec 13 17:43:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBDMhtk19547 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:43:55 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:43:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200212132243.gBDMhtQ19543@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: wiper motor questions (more...) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > It looks like they have a slight flare on them which may or may not be > necessary. The flare is what locks the tubes to the wiper gear boxes. The back plate clamps the flares into place. How is RHD & LHD different? Remembering mine when I upgraded it seems to me like I could have mounted the tubing either way. A difference in the length of the J shaped motor size end piece? TeriAnn J. Wakeman Santa Cruz, California http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman A member of the internet community since 1985. From bens Fri Dec 13 18:00:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBDN0OX19642 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:00:24 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:00:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200212132300.gBDN0Od19638@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bruce Grove To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Road Questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John wrote: > > I would not underestimate what could happen in the case of a really big > storm, as I have pictures of the Union Pacific tracks totally washed out > in the Mojave Rover Wash area in about 1938. After that the UP diverted > the Mojave River into the Cronese Dry Lakes area to try and avoid a > recurrence. > > However hopefully that is a once in a lifetime or less event. > Out of interest what was the Mojave like during the storms of 1997 or is far enough away to have not suffered. As a kayaker I spend a lot of time on the American River, a typical winter flow is between 2000 and 5000 cubic feet/second. In January '97 the Chili Bar dam recorded >70000 CFS, gulp :-) Bruce From bens Fri Dec 13 18:53:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBDNrtf20038 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:53:55 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:53:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200212132353.gBDNrta20034@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: wireless email Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Friday, December 13, 2002, at 08:26 AM, Jon Turner wrote: > > Shannon - I hear you one the wireless email. One of my greatest losses > due > to my current unemployment is no more Blackberry! > Well that is no fun! I've been using the Danger/TMobile Sidekick for about six months now. I love it, but I'm also highly biased since they're a client of mine... End up reading most of my mendo mail on it now - mendo makes me happy! Shameless plug: there is a danger friends and family special going on now. Net result is that the device costs about $85 (after some mail in rebates). Pretty good deal, but as I say, I'm biased! Shannon From bens Sat Dec 14 02:12:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBE7CZg23577 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 02:12:35 -0500 Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 02:12:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200212140712.gBE7CZr23573@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: Rovers on Ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Being in digest mode, I don't know if anyone posted these yet. The first is an 88 (with a Fairey PTO winch?)on a used car lot in Walnut Creek: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6296&item= 1874199678&rd=1 The second is a 110 Crewcab: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31849&item =1874287170&rd=1 I'd love to know the story on that one. Mo --------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance 1st month Free! Sign up today at: www.netzerolongdistance.com From bens Sat Dec 14 02:23:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBE7N6S23624 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 02:23:06 -0500 Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 02:23:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200212140723.gBE7N6q23620@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: Sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Lincoln Blvd. in Marina Del Rey, bare metal early IIA 88. He was going south, I was going north, only caught a glimpse and I tried to chase him down but too many traffic lights. Anybody know this guy? Charles? Mo --------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance 1st month Free! Sign up today at: www.netzerolongdistance.com From bens Sat Dec 14 02:47:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBE7l3f23755 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 02:47:03 -0500 Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 02:47:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200212140747.gBE7l2D23746@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mo, that bare metal 88" is probably one of two that Peter restored several years ago: one had a hard top, the other a black bikini top. I think the one with the hard top even had a specially made BBQ that attaches to the grille & bumper! Charles On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 02:23:06 -0500 "mpatrykus" writes: > > On Lincoln Blvd. in Marina Del Rey, bare metal early IIA 88. > He was going south, I was going north, only caught a glimpse > and I tried to chase him down but too many traffic lights. > Anybody know this guy? Charles? > > Mo > --------------------------------------------- > Introducing NetZero Long Distance [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Sat Dec 14 02:47:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBE7l3M23756 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 02:47:03 -0500 Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 02:47:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200212140747.gBE7l2M23748@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Rovers on Ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Could this be Daniel's truck??? BTW - there's a NAS D110 in the current Hemmings for 27K... Charles On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 02:12:35 -0500 "mpatrykus" writes: > > The second is a 110 Crewcab: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31849&i tem > =1874287170&rd=1 > > I'd love to know the story on that one. ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Sat Dec 14 02:57:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBE7v7g23808 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 02:57:07 -0500 Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 02:57:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200212140757.gBE7v7G23804@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: "Morgan Hannaford" Subject: RE: NCRC Holiday Party this Saturday Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mo, I wont make it tomorrow. The little one is sick and the baby sitting arrangement for tomorrow is out the door. I was looking forward to seeing the folks there, and having date with my wife without the kids. Oh well.. Mehdi From bens Sat Dec 14 03:32:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBE8WZ224206 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 03:32:35 -0500 Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 03:32:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200212140832.gBE8WYN24202@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: RE: Rovers on Ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Here's the info on the 110 Charles mentioned in Hemmings: FOR SALE LAND ROVER: 1993 Defender 110, 3.9 litre, 5-speed, 47,000 miles, 8,000 lb winch, bull bar, beautiful, $27,000 ono. Vincent, 201-493-8213, NJ. From bens Sat Dec 14 04:38:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBE9c5i24661 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 04:38:05 -0500 Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 04:38:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200212140938.gBE9c5L24657@minbar.fourfold.org> From: SFmms@aol.com To: highlights@africam.co.za, mtnlake@pineknot.com, AAPR7@yahoo.com Subject: Please read - Virus infection from my email - K. Sindir Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" ] [ 49 lines filtered. ] My address book was infected with a virus and as a result so has yours,=20 because your address is in my book. The virus is called jdbgmgr.exe. It=20 cannot be detected by Norton or McAfee Anti-virus programs. It sits quietly=20 for 14 days before damaging the system. It is sent automatically by messenge= r=20 and by the address book, whether or not you send emails. We received this unknowingly, just as you apparently have. Please check your= =20 computer. I AM VERY SORRY, BUT I WAS INFECTED ALSO THE SAME WAY. The easiest way to find out if you have it and to get rid of it is as=20 follows: 1. Go to "start" button in the lower left corner, click on it and then move=20 your pointer up to "find" or "search." 2. Click on "find" or "search" and move over to "files or folders" and click= =20 on it. 3. =A0 A new window will open-type in the top space the name "JDBGMGR.EXE",=20 move your pointer to the bottom white space and make sure it is set to searc= h=20 your "C" drive (or whatever your main drive designation is). 4=A0 Click "find or "search" to begin the search. 5=A0 The virus has a Teddy Bear logo with the name jdbgmgr.exe 6=A0 DO NOT OPEN=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 DO NOT OPEN 7=A0 RIGHT click on the LOGO and point and click on "delete" on the window=20= =3D that opens. 8=A0 Go to the recycle bin on your desktop and Right click on it and then=20= =3D click on "empty recycle bin". 9 IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS, YOU MUST CONTACT EVERYONE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK. I AM TRULY SORRY FOR THE INCONVENIENCE, I HAD TO DO THE SAME THING. Karen Sindir From bens Sat Dec 14 09:05:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBEE5ae25627 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 09:05:36 -0500 Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 09:05:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200212141405.gBEE5aG25623@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Rovers on Ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Could this be Daniel's truck??? Nope, Daniel's is a lighter green has a winch on the front, a big box on the rear with a drop down table on one side a big aluminum roof rack and South African style side awning. This one looks clean and relatively unused. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/ > eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31849&i > tem=1874287170&rd=1 TeriAnn J. Wakeman Santa Cruz, California twakeman@cruzers.com http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Sat Dec 14 10:48:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBEFmU426074 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 10:48:30 -0500 Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 10:48:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200212141548.gBEFmTk26070@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: ...Somebody caught something... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...and I think it's Karen Sindir... Karen - if you can read this, there were two emails sent by your computer - both containing email addresses that I haven't seen in @ 3 years (some I've never seen!), and others that were sent to ME, telling me that I had the Klez H Worm. I don't have it (checked my computer), but judging by some of the email addresses I see from your email, I'd say that you definately do got it! BTW - that file that one of your emails is telling the world to get rid of is a hoax. Charles ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Sat Dec 14 11:34:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBEGYPA26292 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 11:34:25 -0500 Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 11:34:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200212141634.gBEGYPj26285@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Roger Sinasohn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Rovers on Ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 02:47 AM 12/14/02 -0500, you wrote: >Could this be Daniel's truck??? Nope, it's a 2002 pickup, very different, and in WashDC. Daniel's is also loaded with expedition gear and less than half the price (Twenty dollars, wasn't it?). --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From bens Sat Dec 14 11:34:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBEGYPB26296 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 11:34:25 -0500 Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 11:34:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200212141634.gBEGYP326291@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Roger Sinasohn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Rovers on Ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 02:12 AM 12/14/02 -0500, you wrote: >The first is an 88 (with a Fairey PTO winch?)on a used car lot in Walnut >Creek: Nice looking vehicle. Wonder where it is, exactly? I notice that in the picture looking at the right front wing, there's a white defender 90 in the background. (And that might be a citroen behind it...) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From bens Sat Dec 14 11:48:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBEGmej26377 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 11:48:40 -0500 Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 11:48:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200212141648.gBEGmdl26373@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Mojave Road--Connecting up Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All Mojave Road Travellers, The Dows, Marciniks (the people in the black Cherokee who were on the 98->99 Mojave trip and have had their Airstream at Mendo), and the Welschmeyers (whom some of you met in Jawbone Canyon last year) will be staying in our Airstreams at or near the Hole in the Wall campground starting on 30 December. I'd like to hook up with you guys for at least an eveng. We'll be leaving the trailers at base camp, and I'm pretty sure that is well off the Mojave Road, so I'd like to try to contact you via 2m first. Will it be the standard 146.50, or some other freq? C From bens Sat Dec 14 13:49:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBEInwi26903 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 13:49:58 -0500 Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 13:49:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200212141849.gBEInww26899@minbar.fourfold.org> From: StevHutch@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: PDF manuals and copyrights Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 19 lines filtered. ] Yep, US copyright law may get a few changes , depending on the outcome of the 'Eldred' case. However , I am sure that these were originally published in England and per current EU regulations there they are copyrighted for the life of the author+ 70 Years (!!). As such , they are probably not in the public domain. In theory , he could have permission of right to re-distribute them, but based on his site me thinks that is not the case. Here is a real good link summarizing copyright laws in regards to internet ditization/usage. (I have become quite the student of this due to my new home-based biz of selling pre-1923 public domain furniture plans/woodworking books on CD. ) http://digital.library.upenn.edu/books/okbooks.html - Steve 'Hutch' Hutchins 74 Ser. III 88" > Subject: Re: Land Rover Manuals on Line > > It could be. Or not. The Supreme Court hasn't decided the Mickey Mouse > case and depending on how the manuals were published some of the earlier > From bens Sat Dec 14 16:57:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBELv3727859 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:57:03 -0500 Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:57:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200212142157.gBELv3C27855@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Road--Connecting up Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Good deal...we'll try to hook up on 2M first! Cheers, Gerry >starting on 30 December. I'd like to hook up with you guys for at least >an eveng. We'll be leaving the trailers at base camp, and I'm pretty >sure that is well off the Mojave Road, so I'd like to try to contact you >via 2m first. Will it be the standard 146.50, or some other freq? > >C _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From bens Sat Dec 14 19:58:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBF0w4Z28792 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 19:58:04 -0500 Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 19:58:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200212150058.gBF0w4528788@minbar.fourfold.org> From: charles phu To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: NCRC Holiday Party this Saturday Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 7 lines filtered. ] Sadly, I am being tortured in the office and imagining the warmth from those engines and exhausts of the lovely boxy Rovers somewhere in the rain at the moment. Just looked at my Rovers' eyes earleir when I left my place, they looked really lonely and willing to go to meet their brothers and sisters!! Have fun everyone. Charles Phu and two lonely Rovers --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now From bens Sat Dec 14 20:12:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBF1CNN28858 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 20:12:23 -0500 Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 20:12:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200212150112.gBF1CNb28854@minbar.fourfold.org> From: charles phu To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Rovers on Ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 7 lines filtered. ] This D110 is a Canadian truck. A salvage vehicle with a weird raised exterior roll cage, and a early 110/series upper rear body. I've talked to this Vincent last summer. They apparently got it from a guy who just bought it from a NY dealer called Huntington or somthing like that not long ago (I could clearly remember the NY dealer sold it 'cause I saw it in their website). They seem to have been having hard time selling it. Charles Jason Pipes wrote: Here's the info on the 110 Charles mentioned in Hemmings: FOR SALE LAND ROVER: 1993 Defender 110, 3.9 litre, 5-speed, 47,000 miles, 8,000 lb winch, bull bar, beautiful, $27,000 ono. Vincent, 201-493-8213, NJ. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now From bens Sat Dec 14 22:38:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBF3ci729395 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 22:38:44 -0500 Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 22:38:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200212150338.gBF3ciF29391@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: wiper motor questions (more...) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Since I have never *actually* seen a LHD wiper motor assembly, I wouldn't know exactly what is different. However, I am assuming that the first J-shaped section of tubing is probably a few inches shorter to allow the stud to be passed through the hole the farthest toward the driver (LHD). I was thinking that I could cut that first tube shorter, make a central section and then place the right side stud wherever I pleased. The bulkhead has 5 holes along that section. One for the windscreen jet fitting, and four for the wiper stud to pass through. I believe that depending on the LHD or RHD-ness dictates where the studs would pass through. I was thinking though, that I *might* be able to mount the motor on the opposite side of the bulkhead and have it face toward the passenger, flip the towers upside down and have the studs face out in the correct holes. Haven't actually done it yet, just kind of thinking about it. Other things are higher on the list, so it may not get done for a while (iow: after Mojave). Hopefully I will have some of the other major items dealt with. I'm still looking for a rear seat that costs less than $4500. (don't ask.,...) Michael _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From bens Sat Dec 14 23:10:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBF4A6829578 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 23:10:06 -0500 Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 23:10:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200212150410.gBF4A6529574@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: wiper motor questions (more...) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Michael, you SHOULD be able to simply take that wiper assembly apart, and put it back together backwards...I'd think... Charles On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 22:38:44 -0500 "Polla Slade" writes: > > Since I have never *actually* seen a LHD wiper motor assembly, I > wouldn't > know exactly what is different. > > However, I am assuming that the first J-shaped section of tubing is > probably > a few inches shorter to allow the stud to be passed through the hole > the [ 39 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Sun Dec 15 00:06:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBF567N30000 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:06:07 -0500 Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:06:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200212150506.gBF567P29996@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: wiper motor questions (more...) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hehe, Thanks for the suggestion. Hey, anyone know where I can look for weird VW parts, specifically the 3rd row seat from a VW Euro Van???? Also, anyone know anyone from Johnson Controls or Lear??? Still trying to find as many options for seating in the back of the crewcab. Hitting lots of dead ends.....still trying..... Michael _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From bens Sun Dec 15 00:47:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBF5liH31382 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:47:44 -0500 Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:47:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200212150547.gBF5li031378@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: wiper motor questions (more...) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...Me thinketh that you must make the pilgrimage to Mojave Airport when the run is over... "Come on, Luke - use the Force..." Charles On Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:06:07 -0500 "Polla Slade" writes: > > Hehe, > > Thanks for the suggestion. > > Hey, anyone know where I can look for weird VW parts, specifically > the 3rd > row seat from a VW Euro Van???? > [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Sun Dec 15 01:04:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBF644A31455 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 01:04:04 -0500 Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 01:04:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200212150604.gBF643u31451@minbar.fourfold.org> From: rally3@netzero.net To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: wiper motor questions (more...) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Try www.specializedgerman.com Later Aidan Hehe, Thanks for the suggestion. Hey, anyone know where I can look for weird VW parts, specifically the 3rd row seat from a VW Euro Van???? Also, anyone know anyone from Johnson Controls or Lear??? Still trying to find as many options for seating in the back of the crewcab. Hitting lots of dead ends.....still trying..... Michael Hehe, Thanks for the suggestion. Hey, anyone know where I can look for weird VW parts, specifically the 3rd row seat from a VW Euro Van???? Also, anyone know anyone from Johnson Controls or Lear??? Still trying to find as many options for seating in the back of the crewcab. Hitting lots of dead ends.....still trying..... Michael Hehe, Thanks for the suggestion. Hey, anyone know where I can look for weird VW parts, specifically the 3rd row seat from a VW Euro Van???? Also, anyone know anyone from Johnson Controls or Lear??? Still trying to find as many options for seating in the back of the crewcab. Hitting lots of dead ends.....still trying..... Michael From bens Sun Dec 15 03:36:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBF8aAG32235 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 03:36:10 -0500 Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 03:36:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200212150836.gBF8a9432231@minbar.fourfold.org> From: SFmms@aol.com To: highlights@africam.co.za, mtnlake@pineknot.com, AAPR7@yahoo.com Subject: Sorry virus notice was a hoax - K. Sindir Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 10 lines filtered. ] Sorry All: Nice to hear from some of you, and hope you have a Happy Holiday. To clarify, I was taken in by a virus hoax. The file it told you to delete is part of a JavaScript debugger. For details on the hoax and to restore the file, please check the information on the Symantec link: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/jdbgmgr.exe.file.hoax.html Anyway wish you all the best in the coming year, Karen Sindir From bens Sun Dec 15 10:55:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBFFtpg01733 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 10:55:51 -0500 Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 10:55:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200212151555.gBFFtpP01729@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: wiper motor questions (more...) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I was thinking that I could cut that first tube shorter, make a central > section and then place the right side stud wherever I pleased. How soon do you need it? I think I have a LHD right side end part and middle part somewhere in the shed but I would need to dig for it. Which means placing a lot of stuff out of the shed. At this point it looks like rain likely each day this upcoming week and I have a lot of cardboard & packing stuff in the way. If I find the sections you can have them for the price of shipping. Both the BP and Mansfield Motors folks are keeping me a little busy right now or I would consider driving down just to say hi & see the beastie. TeriAnn J. Wakeman Santa Cruz, California twakeman@cruzers.com http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Sun Dec 15 12:15:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBFHFvs02131 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 12:15:57 -0500 Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 12:15:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200212151715.gBFHFvd02127@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: RE: NCRC Holiday Party this Saturday Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Morgan - Thanks for coordinating the party last night. Was great to see everyone, and the hall gave us enough room to spread out. Too bad the weather was more suitable for a mud-run than for Rover-viewing (though did get a chance to inspect Linda's new Dormobile!) Take care, Jon From bens Sun Dec 15 19:45:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBG0jf504152 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:45:41 -0500 Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:45:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200212160045.gBG0jff04148@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shane Ballensky To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: wiper motor questions (more...) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Michael, I believe all the wiper parts are the same. For LHD the wiper motor mounts on the LHD side and opposite for RHD. Your idea here seems like the right one. >"I was thinking though, that I *might* be able to mount the motor on the >opposite side of the bulkhead and have it face toward the passenger, flip >the towers upside down and have the studs face out in the correct holes. > >Haven't actually done it yet, just kind of thinking about it." From bens Mon Dec 16 16:52:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBGLqow11185 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:52:50 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:52:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200212162152.gBGLqns11181@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" To: "'mendo'" Cc: "'rmodica@pimacc.pima.edu'" Subject: Mojave rollcall Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Maybe we won't need a stinkin' permit after all..... Confirmed: TeriAnn Mo and maybe Russ Michael Baumann et al Randy Katz Gerry & Sandy Elam Not confirmed but expressed interest: Rob Modica and family Confirmed but thinking about getting their own permit: Michael Slade That puts us at 7 total. Anyone else? Cheers, Gerry From bens Mon Dec 16 16:53:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBGLrlp11217 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:53:47 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:53:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200212162153.gBGLrkw11213@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Tom Gross To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Mojave Trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Looks like I won't be going to Arizona for the holidays, so that means that I'll probably, likely, almost surely, go along on the Mojave trip. Ok, so what. Well, for the L.A. area folks I can offer a little head start. There is an empty lot across the street for the Dormobile folks, and/or room in my house for any local souls who would like to shave 60-80 miles off the trip and come out to Redlands the night before. I usually go through Twentynine Palms - old Route 66 up to I-40. This route has a lot less freeway driving and is a little less jarring than having 18-wheelers blow by on I-15 and I-40. We'd have to leave around 8 am to get to the campsite before dark. I may have to go on a little business trip tomorrow and Wednesday, so I'll reply to anyone having questions after I get back. Call me at home if you like. Tom Gross tgross@esri.com 909-335-9481 From bens Mon Dec 16 17:12:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBGMCe711810 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:12:40 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:12:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200212162212.gBGMCeS11806@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce Subject: Tires for the Rangie 94' SWB Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ------- Forwarded Message Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 11:23:19 -0800 From: Leslie Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Tires for the Rangie 94' SWB Hi this is Philip(the Dows Eldest), Anywho the Rangie is in the market for some new tires and I hit TireRack.com for the latest selection. Well the least to say I was put down by the fact that they coould only recomend the Michelin 4X4 Synchrone 205/80-16. Then I hit the BritPac site and they suggested that the largest size without major modification would be the 225/75-16, I did a search for those on tire rack and found many possibilities. Does anybody have any thoughts as to the Pro's and Con's of installing installing these larger tires? Or has anybody had any experiences or good places to obtain new tires in the BayArea?? Thanks Philip ------- End of Forwarded Message From bens Mon Dec 16 17:14:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBGMExB11837 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:14:59 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:14:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200212162214.gBGMExI11833@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce Subject: Outage Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org As many of you I suspect noticed, our email server was off line today. Around 3 am the firewall in front of it got unhappy and stopped talking with the Internet. Unfortunately we didn't catch it before we went to work and we had to wait until someone got home to go on site. The server and web sites are back online. Sorry about the inconvienence. All email sent during the outage should have been spooled up and will hit the list shortly. Ben From bens Mon Dec 16 17:22:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBGMMEi11973 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:22:14 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:22:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200212162222.gBGMMEf11969@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce Subject: Re: Rovers on Ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org original message follows --------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 21:21:26 -0600 From: nicholas harteau To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Rovers on Ebay hunting ridge motors? http://www.huntingridgemotors.com/subsold.php?cat=defender they seem awfully overpriced. charles phu wrote: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] > [ 7 lines filtered. ] > > > This D110 is a Canadian truck. A salvage vehicle with a weird raised exterior roll cage, and a early 110/series upper rear body. I've talked to this Vincent last summer. They apparently got it from a guy who just bought it from a NY dealer called Huntington or somthing like that not long ago (I could clearly remember the NY dealer sold it 'cause I saw it in their website). They seem to have been having hard time selling it. > > Charles [ 14 additional quoted lines pruned. ] - -- nicholas harteau nrh@ikami.com ------- End of Forwarded Message From bens Mon Dec 16 17:22:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBGMMjn11990 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:22:45 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:22:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200212162222.gBGMMjl11986@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mojave Trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So what? Nah... good deal...looking forward to seeing you. Our count was at 7 and I figured we'd get a few more so I played it safe and fax over the application today. The check was mailed also so permit-wise, we're fine. They've already called to verify one piece of info so we should have the permit in a few days. Cheers, Gerry From bens Mon Dec 16 17:25:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBGMPqS12029 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:25:52 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:25:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200212162225.gBGMPqc12025@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave rollcall Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Gerry, Maybe I confused you, but I will be seeking permits for future use, not for the Mojave trip over New Years. I'll be there, but w/out my own permit. Sorry! Michael _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From bens Mon Dec 16 17:27:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBGMRZQ12121 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:27:35 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:27:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200212162227.gBGMRZI12117@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Thomas Joyner" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Rear seat Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Michael, Have you considered a seat from a Suburban? Maybe even the third row removable one? Tom 88 RR (4.2 still not in) Durango From bens Mon Dec 16 17:42:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBGMg3H12404 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:42:03 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:42:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200212162242.gBGMg2I12400@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave rollcall Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kelly & I will be attending. By the way, is this where we are meeting? http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=11&n=3881252&e=711992&s=25&size=m At the crossroads marked 764, which I presume is the elevation? Elam, Gerry (CORP) wrote: > Maybe we won't need a stinkin' permit after all..... > > Confirmed: > TeriAnn > Mo and maybe Russ > Michael Baumann et al > Randy Katz > Gerry & Sandy Elam > [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Dec 16 17:42:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBGMgUq12420 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:42:30 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:42:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200212162242.gBGMgUK12416@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Rear seat Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Tom, Yeah, I've been looking at a lot of different options. I have decided to circumvent the local dealers and I'm going straight to the manufacturer. I have calls in to Lear, Johnson Controls and a couple of others. Thanks though! Michael >From: "Thomas Joyner" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: "Mendo List" >Subject: Rear seat >Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:27:35 -0500 > >Michael, > >Have you considered a seat from a Suburban? Maybe even the third row [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From bens Mon Dec 16 17:47:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBGMlJY12487 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:47:19 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:47:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200212162247.gBGMlJ312483@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Thomas Joyner" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Fuel injector specs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All/Anyone, I would like to know if anyone knows the stock flow rate for a LR/RR fuel injector and weather or not it is necessary or desirable to go to a higher flow rate injector with an increase in displacement (3.5 to 4.2, ECU will be changed to suit sooner or later). Any help will be greatly appreciated! Tom 88 RR Durango From bens Mon Dec 16 17:51:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBGMppf12548 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:51:51 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:51:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200212162251.gBGMpoD12544@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey - don't forget about me!!!!!! I'm still trying to twist Karen Sindir's arm enough...Janet would sure like it if she were there...also - are any of the 3 Jason's going??? (two are on the list, I think) Still not sure which rig I'm taking, but probably not my newly-aquired SW, since I still have to put a clutch in it...either Gillian or the Rangie...unless I suddenly get a chance to do a clutch in - how many days' time???..... Was planning on taking my 109SW to Visalia today: finished the leaf springs yesterday (new fronts, near-new right rear, new left rear), aired up the tires, bled the brakes, charged the battery - no start! Replaced battery - starts & runs as smooth as before. NOW - my clothes are soaked, and I didn't do any laundry last night! So I have to wait for something to dry before heading up there...now I gotta wait until after rush hour... TO make matters worse - the drivers' side door seals leak as if they're not even there! (well, the top one is almost nonexistant) Might be time to make an England order... Ever have one of those days? Charles On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:22:45 -0500 "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" writes: > > So what? Nah... good deal...looking forward to seeing you. Our > count was > at 7 and I figured we'd get a few more so I played it safe and fax > over the > application today. The check was mailed also so permit-wise, we're > fine. > They've already called to verify one piece of info so we should have > the [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Mon Dec 16 18:02:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBGN2AW12766 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:02:10 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:02:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200212162302.gBGN29L12757@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Tires for the Rangie 94' SWB Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Philip, I have that size tire on my RR ('89 SWB), and they were on the truck BEFORE I raised the suspension a few inches, and I never had any clearance problems at all. They fit well. As to ordering tires, try to avoid telling retailers what kind of truck they're going on, because they'll simply tell you that you NEED the Michelins. Charles On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:12:40 -0500 Benjamin Smith writes: > > > ------- Forwarded Message > > Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 11:23:19 -0800 > From: Leslie Dow > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: Tires for the Rangie 94' SWB > [ 22 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Mon Dec 16 18:02:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBGN2Ag12767 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:02:10 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:02:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200212162302.gBGN29712759@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave rollcall Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org BTW...I STILL think that Russ WILL be there in his Dormie: I mean, mechanically, it's done. The electrical & hydraulics will be done soon as the weather cleans up, the bodywork is more or less done, except for the bolting on of the wings (I still need access to a few things first without scratching the paint) AND, it now resides in my driveway as of yesterday - again, all body panels are on except the wings!!!!! Hell...it's even registered. ...Anybody ever hear from Randy Rose these days??? Charles On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:52:49 -0500 "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" writes: > > Maybe we won't need a stinkin' permit after all..... > > Confirmed: > TeriAnn > Mo and maybe Russ > Michael Baumann et al > Randy Katz > Gerry & Sandy Elam [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Mon Dec 16 18:17:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBGNHkL12983 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:17:46 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:17:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200212162317.gBGNHks12979@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Nancy Hart To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Surprise Canyon? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just getting in from a weekend near Mohave.. Panamint...near Ballarat in the BLM lands. Weather was dry but quite a wind storm. My new Hannibal roof top tent survived it though! What a great place. Absolutely beautiful and camping with not a soul in sight. However, it was bitter cold at night with high winds coming through which is making me rethink the Mohave trip since my kids may not handle that so well. News- via Albierto at the Trona gas station, that after a meeting Friday, Surprise Canyon is going to reopen for all the gonzo winch-fest folks out there. just a rumor at this point but news officially should come in soon. -nancy nancyehart@mac.com '97 blued90 #0047 From bens Mon Dec 16 18:50:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBGNo3413273 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:50:03 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:50:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200212162350.gBGNo2N13269@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Ed Sanman To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Mojave questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Meredith and I are flying down to meet up with Mike in Las Vegas, so need to be more careful with what to pack than I would if I were throwing it in the back of the truck. What extreme range of temperatures might we experience, day and night? Sounds like 146.500mz will be the simplex frequency. What repeater frequencies should I monitor, and do they have any tones? Since we're coming in from the East, and most of you will be coming in from the West, seems a repeater might be good to monitor. Let me know where they're located. Ed Sanman KD7TRX From bens Mon Dec 16 18:50:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBGNo4q13285 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:50:04 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:50:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200212162350.gBGNo3d13278@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Ed Sanman To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org My office is at street level, with a signal which stops traffic right in front. On Friday, a vehicle that looked like a cross between a Volvo 544 and an old Dodge Power Wagon was sitting at the signal. The hood and grill looked like the Power Wagon, and the body and rear looked like the 544. It sat quite high, and had some very military looking hardware bits. Seems I've heard of old Volvo military vehicles. Could this have been one, or was it likely custom? Ed From bens Mon Dec 16 18:58:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBGNwS813355 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:58:28 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:58:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200212162358.gBGNwR213351@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: RE: Mojave roll call Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Petra and I have confirmed a number of times, or so I thought. I spoke to about 5 people at the Holiday Party that also said they planned to go. None of them are listed below either. Looks like it will be a big group this year. jpipes From bens Mon Dec 16 19:01:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBH01Rg13396 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:01:27 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:01:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170001.gBH01Rl13392@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave rollcall Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org We will figure out a place to meet up with you guys somewhere along the trail (probably just for an afternoon). I'll be on 146.50 unless someone indicates a better freq. C From bens Mon Dec 16 19:01:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBH01cF13411 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:01:38 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:01:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170001.gBH01ci13407@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: intermittent staggering and stalling... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The only thing possibly holding us from going on the Mojave Road trip is a sudden problem that has cropped up that Petra and I are trying to trouble shoot. Intermittent staggering at speed and intermittent stalling at low RPMs or at idle. Nothing like this has ever happened before with this truck until just recently. We think it is one of two things, either time for a new fuel filter or possibly something to do with the cats. We've been experiencing a rattling noise from the exhaust for a few weeks now and assumed it was just something loose. Now we think it may be that the cats are in fact on the downhill. Anything else that might cause intermittent staggering at speed and intermittent stalling at low RPMs or at idle? Maybe the fuel injectors are clogged? We also wanted to raise the idle RPM speed, but thought to change the fuel filter first to rule that out before hand. I sure hope it's not the cats as now is a really poor time (no pun intended) for something like that to come up. Thanks for any comments or suggestions! jpipes From bens Mon Dec 16 19:18:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBH0IhY13531 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:18:43 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:18:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170018.gBH0Ihw13527@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Fuel injector specs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I haven't heard that there is any difference in injectors from the 3.5 to the 4.2. However, it would be wise to get them checked for proper flow. I found 4 Bosch injector service centers in Colo. 2 in Colorado Springs, 1 in Arvada, 1 in Golden. Take them in for checking, they should flow with no more than a 7% difference between them in volume, from the way I understand it. Mine were shot at 160K. They have the best prices, by far, if you need new ones. Is Colorado Springs closest to you? >>> tjoyner@earthlink.net 12/16/02 02:47PM >>> All/Anyone, I would like to know if anyone knows the stock flow rate for a LR/RR fuel injector and weather or not it is necessary or desirable to go to a higher flow rate injector with an increase in displacement (3.5 to 4.2, ECU will be changed to suit sooner or later). Any help will be greatly appreciated! Tom 88 RR Durango From bens Mon Dec 16 19:20:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBH0KSx13560 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:20:28 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:20:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170020.gBH0KRC13556@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: intermittent staggering and stalling... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A weak fuel pump gave me those exact symptoms, especially on warm days. Also, if your observe a correlation with wet weather it might be time to replace your spark plug wires. Jason Pipes wrote: > The only thing possibly holding us from going on the Mojave Road trip is a > sudden problem that has cropped up that Petra and I are trying to trouble > shoot. Intermittent staggering at speed and intermittent stalling at low > RPMs or at idle. Nothing like this has ever happened before with this truck > until just recently. > > We think it is one of two things, either time for a new fuel filter or > possibly something to do with the cats. We've been experiencing a rattling > noise from the exhaust for a few weeks now and assumed it was just something [ 14 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Dec 16 19:21:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBH0LJJ13581 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:21:19 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:21:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170021.gBH0LJR13577@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have a question too. About how many hours each day do we plan to spend in the saddle? From bens Mon Dec 16 19:43:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBH0hsU13716 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:43:54 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:43:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170043.gBH0hr313712@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: RE: intermittent staggering and stalling... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 6 lines filtered. ] Thanks for the suggestions James. I did seem to notice what appeared to be a correlation to wet weather, as it's been noticeably worse the past few days during this horrible rain we've been having. Strangely though, I changed the spark plug wires when I did the 60k service about 7,000 miles ago. I'll check them again though and see if that might having something to do with the problem. jpipes From bens Mon Dec 16 19:44:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBH0iVM13731 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:44:31 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:44:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170044.gBH0iUJ13727@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: intermittent staggering and stalling... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Try that new guy in Portola Valley, he has an Autologic, I think. Or Ron at Auto Europa. You're where? >>> jpipes@feldgrau.com 12/16/02 04:01PM >>> The only thing possibly holding us from going on the Mojave Road trip is a sudden problem that has cropped up that Petra and I are trying to trouble shoot. Intermittent staggering at speed and intermittent stalling at low RPMs or at idle. Nothing like this has ever happened before with this truck until just recently. We think it is one of two things, either time for a new fuel filter or possibly something to do with the cats. We've been experiencing a rattling noise from the exhaust for a few weeks now and assumed it was just something loose. Now we think it may be that the cats are in fact on the downhill. Anything else that might cause intermittent staggering at speed and intermittent stalling at low RPMs or at idle? Maybe the fuel injectors are clogged? We also wanted to raise the idle RPM speed, but thought to change the fuel filter first to rule that out before hand. I sure hope it's not the cats as now is a really poor time (no pun intended) for something like that to come up. Thanks for any comments or suggestions! jpipes From bens Mon Dec 16 19:50:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBH0oEG13771 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:50:14 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:50:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170050.gBH0oD913767@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave rollcall Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >BTW...I STILL think that Russ WILL be there in his Dormie: > >I mean, mechanically, it's done. The electrical & hydraulics will be done >soon as the weather cleans up, the bodywork is more or less done, except >for the bolting on of the wings (I still need access to a few things >first without scratching the paint) AND, it now resides in my driveway as >of yesterday - again, all body panels are on except the wings!!!!! > >Hell...it's even registered. Registered AND insured I might add. I look and the beast and I don't think that I have a prayer of making the trip, but I've learned not to doubt Charles... RW -- Blaming Guns for Crime is Like Blaming Spoons for Rosie O'Donnell Being Fat From bens Mon Dec 16 19:51:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBH0pYo13797 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:51:34 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:51:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170051.gBH0pYE13793@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: RE: intermittent staggering and stalling... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org What year and size is your engine? '94 3.9? >>> jpipes@feldgrau.com 12/16/02 04:43PM >>> [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 6 lines filtered. ] Thanks for the suggestions James. I did seem to notice what appeared to be a correlation to wet weather, as it's been noticeably worse the past few days during this horrible rain we've been having. Strangely though, I changed the spark plug wires when I did the 60k service about 7,000 miles ago. I'll check them again though and see if that might having something to do with the problem. jpipes From bens Mon Dec 16 19:53:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBH0rr113816 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:53:53 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:53:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170053.gBH0rqC13812@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: intermittent staggering and stalling... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Have you looked at the amplifier module? Mine just started acting up again. However, the final result is usually no more driving uintil engine is cold. Frank ----------------------------------- Jason Pipes wrote: >The only thing possibly holding us from going on the Mojave Road trip is a >sudden problem that has cropped up that Petra and I are trying to trouble >shoot. Intermittent staggering at speed and intermittent stalling at low > From bens Mon Dec 16 19:57:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBH0voN13857 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:57:50 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:57:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170057.gBH0vnO13853@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave rollcall Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org No worries. Everyone confuses me eventually. :-) Our permit will cover y'all regardless so it's a done deal! Cheers, Gerry >Maybe I confused you, but I will be seeking permits for future use, not for >the Mojave trip over New Years. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From bens Mon Dec 16 19:59:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBH0xJ913872 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:59:19 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:59:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170059.gBH0xJo13868@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org We could *never* forget about you. I'll add you to the list! Cheers, Gerry >Hey - don't forget about me!!!!!! > >I'm still trying to twist Karen Sindir's arm enough...Janet would sure >like it if she were there...also - are any of the 3 Jason's going??? (two >are on the list, I think) _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From bens Mon Dec 16 19:59:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBH0xmN13887 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:59:48 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:59:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170059.gBH0xm713883@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: RE: intermittent staggering and stalling... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Eric, it's a 93 D110 with a 3.9 V8. We're in Alameda for now, but have access to SF as well as most areas in the East Bay, etc. We're trying to troubleshoot this one ourselves first before having to take it in someplace. jpipes From bens Mon Dec 16 20:03:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBH130S13920 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:03:00 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:03:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170103.gBH130h13916@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Mojave roll call Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org No offense meant. I really didn't pay that much attention until recently since there are always so many to speak up and later, due to circumstances beyond their control, aren't able to make it! Added to the list. Cheers, Gerry >Petra and I have confirmed a number of times, or so I thought. I spoke to >about 5 people at the Holiday Party that also said they planned to go. None >of them are listed below either. Looks like it will be a big group this >year. > >jpipes _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From bens Mon Dec 16 20:13:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBH1D4913986 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:13:04 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:13:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170113.gBH1D3D13982@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Roger Sinasohn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Hi-lift vs. Jackall? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Any thoughts on the Hi-lift brand versus Jackall jacks? Best place to get one? Best way to mount it on a '99 Disco II? Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From bens Mon Dec 16 20:14:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBH1ES214001 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:14:28 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:14:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170114.gBH1ERT13997@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If we meet at 9, we should be able to get on the trail by 9:30. I'd like to break by 3 PM but that all depends on the number of stops. Last year, I don't think we hit the campgroup until well after dark. "A body in motion tends to stay in motion. A body at rest tends to stay at rest." Applies even more to large groups of LRO's. :-) We can either designate camping areas for each night now and let those who want to go, go OR we can stick together and see what happens. CHeers, Gerry >From: James Howard >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: Mojave questions >Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:21:19 -0500 > >I have a question too. About how many hours each day do we plan to >spend in the saddle? _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From bens Mon Dec 16 20:18:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBH1ImK14115 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:18:48 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:18:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170118.gBH1IlM14111@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: RE: intermittent staggering and stalling... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org O.K., you can probably eliminate the stuck exhaust valve syndrome, fairly common on '95/'96 4.0. What have you checked, sensor-wise? Oh! Have you checked the "PVC" hose from the passenger side valve cover to the plastic tee and intake plenum? The plastic tee has a small, machined brass insert - like a carb. jet - that can easily become plugged. My hoses and jet weren't plugged, but had a fair build-up of crusty, Rover gunkus. ( Unless you replaced all that at your 60K service) >>> jpipes@feldgrau.com 12/16/02 04:59PM >>> Eric, it's a 93 D110 with a 3.9 V8. We're in Alameda for now, but have access to SF as well as most areas in the East Bay, etc. We're trying to troubleshoot this one ourselves first before having to take it in someplace. jpipes From bens Mon Dec 16 20:24:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBH1OCi14167 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:24:12 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:24:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170124.gBH1OCh14163@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Off the top of my head, it all depends on how far we get. The first night is typically a slow climb where the temps have been in the 30's. Generally mid-to-upper 30's during the night. The days, if it's not raining, are in the low 60's. The second night is warmer. Everyone should try to bring a little wood for the fire if possible. Cheers, Gerry >What extreme range of temperatures might we experience, day and night? _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From bens Mon Dec 16 20:30:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBH1UHG14228 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:30:17 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:30:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170130.gBH1UH614224@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave rollcall Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I believe that's it. We take the trail marked 4WD. >From the guide, it states that the Mojave crosses the Needles Highway at 0.7 miles from the state line in a low washy area as you come from Needles. Watch your back as you slow down. A gaggle of LR's tends to attract attention and those behind you may not realize you're slowing down especially when the sight lines are so short as you top the hill and then come down to the turn off. Cheers, Gerry >Kelly & I will be attending. By the way, is this where we are meeting? > >http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=11&n=3881252&e=711992&s=25&size=m > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From bens Mon Dec 16 20:53:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBH1rBh14355 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:53:11 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:53:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170153.gBH1rBK14350@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Hi-lift vs. Jackall? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Price and availability are the deciding factors for me. I have a Hi Lift, have had a Hi Lift for nearly 8 years, and have never needed a Hi Lift. I got it from 4 Wheel Parts because it was cheaper - and closer, than BP was for their Hi Lift. (4 Wheel Parts has their HQ right here in Compton, about 3 miles from home). It didn't come with the cool top clamp (has a hanging plate instead), but hey - I only got it for changing tires anyway - if needed. I did notice that the local farm supply store in Tulare also carries them! I personally like the Jackall, though, but I don't know why...they look to be the same, though I believe they're manufactured differently. Charles - waiting for rush hour - and my 109's driver's seat (leaky door seal) - to clean up a bit... On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:13:03 -0500 Roger Sinasohn writes: > > Any thoughts on the Hi-lift brand versus Jackall jacks? Best place > to get > one? Best way to mount it on a '99 Disco II? Thanks! ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Mon Dec 16 20:53:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBH1rBQ14351 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:53:11 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:53:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170153.gBH1rBY14344@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: intermittent staggering and stalling... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason, unless you've been doing some serious rock crawling - and serious slipping off said rocks and onto your exhaust - I can't see how the cats can fail already, seeing how's you take good care of your truck, and perform regular maintenance. My Rangie just passed the 197,000 mile mark, and as far as I can tell, it still has its original cats. Same goes for my SD1: 185,000 miles, and original cats. Both vehicles run like the dickens. I'd guess tune-up time: I see you replaced plug wires 7000 miles ago - either they weren't that good of a set, or they were defective, OR...(many people do this) they're routed in such a way that they're all touching one another. It's been my experience that silly-cone plug wires don't like to touch one another - or any metal items or other wires, because they sometimes don't insulate that well. Check your dizzy cap and rotor for signs of tracking. Charles On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:01:38 -0500 "Jason Pipes" writes: > > The only thing possibly holding us from going on the Mojave Road > trip is a > sudden problem that has cropped up that Petra and I are trying to > trouble > shoot. Intermittent staggering at speed and intermittent stalling at > low > RPMs or at idle. Nothing like this has ever happened before with > this truck [ 28 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Mon Dec 16 21:11:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBH2BOA14468 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:11:24 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:11:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170211.gBH2BNM14463@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeremy Bartlett To: mendo Subject: Re: Intermittent Staggering Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason, Check your coil connector wires for loosness/corrosion. Spade types are particularly bad and best off being replaced by ring connectors for a firmed screwed down contact. Check your cap and rotor for wear (if you have an old black cap it's time to replace all of them). Consider replacing all spark plug wires if they've not been done in few years. If these don't fix it, check that you have the updated ignition module fitted by the coil. Cats are very unlikely to cause these symptoms Jeremy From bens Mon Dec 16 21:12:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBH2CcA14483 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:12:38 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:12:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170212.gBH2CcH14479@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: RE: Hi-lift vs. Jackall? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org IMHO, there is not a big difference. Jack-All is used mostly in Europe, and Hi-Lift in the US. They both work in the same fashion, and are both capable of serious/deadly injury when improperly used. Best mount? probably tied down inside your rig, or mounted on the rack. I wouldn't mount it to the spare, just too much stress. Either way, get a Jack Mate as well. If you get a Hi-Lift, any Jack Mate will do, but for a Jack All you will need the newer Jack Mate (the track of the Jack All is larger/beefier, and the old style Jack Mate is to small). From bens Mon Dec 16 21:15:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBH2Fvr14512 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:15:57 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:15:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170215.gBH2Fvi14508@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Matt W" To: Subject: Re: Mojave rollcall Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey! Matt Wilson here, count me in! I,ve been under Rusty all weekend Whew, al I have to do is bleed the clutch slave cylinder and gather up the camping gear. Jason #2 has to bail out family coming in from Texas.... My friend Tim with the Trans Alp is still planning on coming (weather dependent) we found a front wheel holder that fits into a 2" receiver, the plan is to tie the front wheel down, use tie straps from the triple clamp to the handles on the back of the 88" then remove the chain and head out, the guy who gave it to us, used it to tow his bike from Salt lake to New Orleans with it. so we should be pretty bomber. I'm stoked I wasn't to interested in dragging an empty trailer on the off road part of the trip. See you at nine on Monday the 30th ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" To: "'mendo'" Cc: Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 1:52 PM Subject: Mojave rollcall > > Maybe we won't need a stinkin' permit after all..... > > Confirmed: > TeriAnn > Mo and maybe Russ > Michael Baumann et al > Randy Katz > Gerry & Sandy Elam [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Dec 16 21:31:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBH2V0m14604 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:31:00 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:31:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170231.gBH2V0T14600@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, If you need door seals let me know. I am taking off the ones I had on the crewcab because they're not wide enough. I have used this style on another series truck and they were a perfect fit. I don't know why they're a little wrong on the Defender body style, but they just are. I have a whole bunch of the stuff, it comes in rolls, and doesn't need any adhesive. Might be worth a shot. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From bens Mon Dec 16 21:33:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBH2Xun14660 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:33:56 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:33:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170233.gBH2XuJ14656@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Hi-lift vs. Jackall? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Roger Sinasohn wrote: >Any thoughts on the Hi-lift brand versus Jackall jacks? Best place to get >one? Best way to mount it on a '99 Disco II? Thanks! > > My advice is hi-lift. $39.00 at OSH a couple of years ago. Also doubles as a tie rod reinforcer if you bugger your tie rod. I've done it several times. Jackall's handle isn't removable, so that might be prefferable if you're on the trail with me :-). C From bens Mon Dec 16 21:44:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBH2iwN14724 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:44:58 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:44:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170244.gBH2ivM14720@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bruce Grove To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Hi-lift vs. Jackall? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Christopher Dow wrote: > > My advice is hi-lift. $39.00 at OSH a couple of years ago. Also > doubles as a tie rod reinforcer if you bugger your tie rod. I've done > it several times. Jackall's handle isn't removable, so that might be > prefferable if you're on the trail with me :-). > I think I saw the Hi-Lift in PepBoys in Belmont/San Carlos last week for about the same price. Cheers, Bruce From bens Mon Dec 16 22:02:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBH32s114813 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:02:54 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:02:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170302.gBH32sB14809@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: RE: Hi-lift vs. Jackall? watch out for Chris Dow! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 24 lines filtered. ] I don't know, if I'm on the trail with Chris I might want to have a Jack All, otherwise I might be left with unuseable parts - at least at the rate he consumes tie rods! :) Jon From bens Mon Dec 16 22:10:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBH3ASs14871 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:10:28 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:10:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170310.gBH3ASW14861@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Paging George Simmons! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Stopped by your place on Wednesday afternoon last week, but you weren't home. You heading to Mojave Road this year??? Charles (can't find your email address, but amazingly, I found your house after nearly 3 years, and with no directions!) ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Mon Dec 16 22:10:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBH3ATG14878 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:10:29 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:10:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170310.gBH3ASY14870@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...'ya know, you're really making me want to head out to Vegas again, VERY soon! ...in fact, the only day I'll have to really move any cars this week will be Wednesday - pouring rain the rest of the time. So.....I may just take you up on that offer. (need to get Janet's Christmas present anyway...) BTW, know of any places that carry A/C / heater vents for vehicles??? I'd really like to get that Southwind heater installed in Gillian before Mojave Road. (Janet would love me for it...) Charles On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:31:00 -0500 "Polla Slade" writes: > > Charles, > > If you need door seals let me know. I am taking off the ones I had > on the > crewcab because they're not wide enough. I have used this style on > another > series truck and they were a perfect fit. I don't know why they're > a little [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Mon Dec 16 22:18:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBH3IEL14930 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:18:14 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:18:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170318.gBH3IEP14926@minbar.fourfold.org> From: charles phu To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Rovers on Ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 6 lines filtered. ] Yes, the Canadian D110 was sold from Hunting Ridge in around June, them it's up for sale in NJ since July. Charles Phu --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now From bens Mon Dec 16 22:20:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBH3KO614958 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:20:24 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:20:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170320.gBH3KNl14954@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Hi-lift vs. Jackall? watch out for Chris Dow! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org My local NAPA had the Hi-Lift with the cast iron pieces, niceley powder coated, for $39.95. I have never used mine on the trail, but several times in my garage. From bens Mon Dec 16 22:24:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBH3OG914996 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:24:16 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:24:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170324.gBH3OFH14992@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: Tires for the Rangie 94' SWB Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Philip, > Synchrone 205/80-16. Then I hit the BritPac site and they suggested > that the largest size without major modification would be the 225/75-16, Not true. You can fit aggressive commercial traction tires, such as the Dunlop Radial Rover RT in size 215/85R16 (about an inch taller than 225/75 but narrower) on a stock Range Rover. I'm running that size in BFG Trac Edge with no problems and I've certainly had it cross-axled a few times. Check out John Brabyn's website for a lengthy discussion of the issues at http://www.rangerovers.net/ As you'll probably read there, some have had success with 245/75 (about same height as 215/85) on stock RRs but probably only all-terrains. That size with a very aggressive shoulder probably won't clear. I know a guy who runs 235/85s on his stock '87 Range Rover and claims that he has had it cross-axled plenty of times, with no clearance problems. His tires are mild-treaded all-terrains. Still, I'm a bit skeptical of that one. I talked to an owner who was running 265/75s on his RR. He had to do lots of modifications to make them fit and then wasn't that happy with them. Mike Slade managed to run 31x10.50R15s on his RR. This required rear wheelwell trimming and may have required taller springs. I don't recall for sure. He put an article on the web about it but I don't recall the link. It's very helpful guidance for the wheelwell trimming project. I was considering it at one time but no longer am. I'm pretty happy with my 215s. Granny From bens Mon Dec 16 23:08:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBH486B15261 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:08:06 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:08:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170408.gBH486d15257@minbar.fourfold.org> From: charles phu To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 5 lines filtered. ] So, may I reconfirm when the Mojave trip will start and end this year? Charles --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now From bens Mon Dec 16 23:08:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBH48BD15276 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:08:11 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:08:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170408.gBH48B215272@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Mojave Trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'd love to do the Mojave again, but since Kelly will only be a month old she can't come along, and politically it wouldn't be smart to let the wife deal with her all weekend! Next time! TomW From bens Mon Dec 16 23:08:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBH48Xs15291 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:08:33 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:08:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170408.gBH48XR15287@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Tires for the Rangie 94' SWB Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org FWIW.... I would stick with a smaller tire size on a stock RR. Several reasons, but basically I think you give up too much gearing for the increase in tire size. IF you are prepared to increase your spring height then you can go all the way up to 31's w/out trimming (maybe even 32's depending on springs). When I did my 31x10.50x15 Super Swampers I was only using OME MD springs. Now there are several different vendors offering springs of varying heights. Currently I'm running 235/85/16 Dunlop Radial Rover R/T's on both LWB's. In one of them I have 4:11 gearing in the other I have the factory 3:54 gears. Personally I find that with the 4.2 of the LWB, the 235/85/16's and the 4:11 gearing that it is the ultimate combination. With that gearing you stay in the power curve better and are able to cruise down the freeway at 80mph at just a hair over 3K. I followed my wife down from SLC to Vegas, she was driving the 4:11's I was driving the 3:54's, and while I was downshifting quite a bit, she was able to pull away from me. While your SWB has a 3.9l motor, and I would suspect that you aren't in the mood to change out your ring and pinion, I would stay with a small-ish tire size. If you are willing to do a lot of downshifting, and/or drive around town in third gear then you could consider going as high as 245/75/16's. Basically what it boils down to (IMO), is what are you willing to put up with as far as spring swapping, tire experimenting and cash outlay. Every set of springs sags differently (but all do sag over time), and every tire vendor sizes their tires differently, so really the only way to figure out what is going to work is to just do it. Yeah, I know that's not what you wanted to hear, but again, if I were you I would err on the conservative side and stick with a smaller tire. I really enjoyed driving on the 205's until I got the bigger ones. Made me really think about having a set of 20 inch rims with z-rated street tires! Also, whenever you are cross-axled you WILL be traveling at less than 5mph. IF you happen to rub your tires on the wheelwheels you won't do any really significant damage to the bodywork or really give the tires any cuts that would compromise performance or wear. This is all based on MY experience and are MY *opinions*, so take them for what it's worth. Good luck! Michael _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From bens Mon Dec 16 23:28:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBH4SIh15366 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:28:18 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:28:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170428.gBH4SIp15362@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: Tires for the Rangie 94' SWB Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mike said: > I would stick with a smaller tire size on a stock RR. > > Several reasons, but basically I think you give up too much gearing for the > increase in tire size. And he said: > While your SWB has a 3.9l motor, and I would suspect that you aren't in the > mood to change out your ring and pinion, I would stay with a small-ish tire > size. If you are willing to do a lot of downshifting, and/or drive around > town in third gear then you could consider going as high as 245/75/16's. As I mentioned, the 215/85 is about the same diameter. I run that size with stock gearing and do so quite happily. I would not run taller (265/75, 235/85, or more) without gearing change and/or more power/torque. I recall that someone running 235/85s on a Disco (Armando?) was not happy with the too-tall gearing effect. Cheers, Granny From bens Tue Dec 17 01:27:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBH6RhP17285 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 01:27:43 -0500 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 01:27:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170627.gBH6RhQ17281@minbar.fourfold.org> From: SFmms@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Road Trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 9 lines filtered. ] Charles writes: > I'm still trying to twist Karen Sindir's arm enough... > Thanks, but my time has already been committed by those who do not like to go camping. A glimmer of hope remains that a one night camping stay in Death Valley may be okay. Hard to be the only one in the family that likes camping. It severely limits my offroading opportunities. Karen Sindir From bens Tue Dec 17 02:00:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBH70Bu17420 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 02:00:11 -0500 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 02:00:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200212170700.gBH70Bq17416@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: Old Volvo Military 4x4? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ed- Funny you should mention it, as a matter of fact there are such animals- the Volvo TP-21 Sugga. It was a staff car/command car with a sedan-style body. One bad-ass looking 4x4! I was poking around looking at Unimog/Pinzgauer stuff on the net last week when I found one for sale. here's the link: http://www.real4x4.com/ It might be, however, that what you saw was a Dodge Carryall, which could look like a steroidal military 544 depending on how good a look you got: http://www.wc53.com/ Both quite rare these days. --------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance 1st month Free! Sign up today at: www.netzerolongdistance.com From bens Tue Dec 17 07:51:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBHCppL19176 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:51:51 -0500 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:51:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200212171251.gBHCppp19172@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave roll call Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I am still trying. I am currently working on a front salisbury and an issue with to much articulation in the rear. Pete From bens Tue Dec 17 09:49:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBHEnMJ19907 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:49:22 -0500 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:49:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200212171449.gBHEnML19903@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Tires for the Rangie 94' SWB Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org i have the Dunlop Radial Rover R/T 215/75/16 and they run fine with no mods in the rangie, they lasted about 80K miles, excellent traction in the snow , the tires are a bit hard to come by but not impossible cheers, fil ps thanks to Mo' for the NCRC party >From: "Granville Pool" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: >Subject: Re: Tires for the Rangie 94' SWB >Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:24:15 -0500 > >Philip, > > > Synchrone 205/80-16. Then I hit the BritPac site and they suggested [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From bens Tue Dec 17 10:00:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBHF0lt20300 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:00:47 -0500 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:00:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200212171500.gBHF0l820296@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mojave Trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Starts Dec. 30, ends Jan 1 although some may stay out for the rest of the week. Cheers, Gerry From bens Tue Dec 17 11:56:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBHGuc721678 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:56:38 -0500 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:56:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200212171656.gBHGucR21674@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. Mojave rollcall Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello, Tam and I are 96% committed to the trip. We'll be starting from Southern Ca Sunday and will possibly camp at the trail head Sunday night. Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Cotati, CA (recovering from 36 hrs of no electricity/water) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Tue Dec 17 13:32:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBHIW9E22692 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:32:09 -0500 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:32:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200212171832.gBHIW9g22688@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: E-ville lunch? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A few of us are thinking of lunch tomorrow (Wed)-- same place (Emeryville Public Market, near Borders), same time (a bit before noon). Join if you can! Cheers, Blair PS: Saw a IIA 109 with a roofrack eastbound 580 at San Quentin last night about 9:15-- Jeremy? From bens Tue Dec 17 13:49:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBHInpb22874 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:49:51 -0500 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:49:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200212171849.gBHInpr22870@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Thomas Joyner" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Injectors Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Eric, I sent my injectors off to Momar Injection in Grand Lake, CO. David Cimbura, the owner, flow tested the injectors and determined that 4 are shot and 4 are marginal. He reccommends replacement for all but wants to get the flowe rate right. He thinks that the stock injectors flow at about 20lbs/hr, but is not sure that we should go to 24lbs/hr injectors. The ECU may not drive them correctly and we'd get over fueling. Such is the life of non-LR stuff to replace stock items! Tom 88 RR Durango From bens Tue Dec 17 14:23:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBHJN2323206 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:23:02 -0500 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:23:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200212171923.gBHJN1G23202@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Injectors Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Call R/N or BP and check if the the part number for the inectors are the same. Also, when you are going to buy new ones, get a price from a couple of the Bosch service centers. Mine cost around 33 bucks ea. included seals. Also see the RPI website, see what they say. >>> tjoyner@earthlink.net 12/17/02 10:49AM >>> Eric, I sent my injectors off to Momar Injection in Grand Lake, CO. David Cimbura, the owner, flow tested the injectors and determined that 4 are shot and 4 are marginal. He reccommends replacement for all but wants to get the flowe rate right. He thinks that the stock injectors flow at about 20lbs/hr, but is not sure that we should go to 24lbs/hr injectors. The ECU may not drive them correctly and we'd get over fueling. Such is the life of non-LR stuff to replace stock items! Tom 88 RR Durango From bens Tue Dec 17 21:34:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBI2Yws25832 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:34:58 -0500 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:34:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200212180234.gBI2YvS25828@minbar.fourfold.org> From: charles phu To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: changing battery Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 5 lines filtered. ] I am changing my battery with an Optima one on my negative earth 109. Under the driver seat, where the battery sits, there’s an insulated cord (rear) and an exposed one (front), which I suppose the exposed one is the negative earth. Is there anything that I should know before changing the battery? Thanks. Charles --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now From bens Tue Dec 17 23:35:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBI4Z2H26374 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:35:02 -0500 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:35:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200212180435.gBI4Z2q26370@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. intermittent staggering and stalling... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello Jason, This may be empty reading but these are my experiences from owning a 240,000 mile '82 Jag XJ6 (its engine management parts are labeled as Lucus but are actually Bosch). >From 180K to 220K, I slowly replaced/rebuilt nearly everything on the car to keep it running smoothly. One time when I had especially ill regard toward the fuel injectors, I replaced 'em all thinking they just couldn't be any good after 200,000 miles. I didn't test them, I simply pulled 'em out and replaced with new. Did the same with the Bosch fuel pump. There was no resulting difference (the new pump wasn't even any quieter). I've since heard similar experiences from other Bosch system owners. Today's fuel runs pretty clean and injectors just don't seem to clog very easily (at least on old jags). Another time, I supected my rear cat was plugging. I replaced it and cut open the old unit. The honeycomb was clear. I even converted my front cat into a "test" pipe by braking its core out with a large screwdriver and hammer. It's a fairly tough ceramic. If you had a piece half the size of your fist, it would take a good scrunching under the weight of your shoe before it pulverized. And even if a core has dislodged and is rattling, it would be difficult to plug the cat to the point of engine stumbling because after me spending 20 minutes poking out my old unit, it just didn't seem like it could ever break into coarse "gravel" and clog the exit. It seems that the nature of the ceramic material is that when it does break down from the rattling, the very small pieces will actually blow out the rear (hopefully you don't have another cat in line to catch the stuff!). So unless the core has turned "sideways" inside the canister, I don't think its performance has changed much. Also, I think a fuel pump on its last legs would let you know during high flow (speed) requirements. I would first check the filter and the pressure regulator before suspecting the pump. I think you should look at your ign system. You may be able to confirm a problem by simply hooking a timing light up to each individual wire. If the spark is erratic while idling, then you should see it in the erratic light flashes. Assuming your wires are good, I'd scrutinize the distributor - both inside and out. If necessary, remove it from the truck and really clean it up. Also look at the ignition module. Those can cause annoying stuttering to the point of failure. Symptoms often come out when the module is at elevated temperature. Unfortunately, they hard to test at home unless you can swap in a known good unit. If you still think it's "FI related", inspect all the harness connections for poor connections due to dirt, corrosion, or weakened contacts. For the tiny connections to the AFM (have one?) or the ECU, spray some contact cleaner/lube (avail at Frys or equiv). Keep us updated! Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:01:38 -0500 From: "Jason Pipes" Subject: intermittent staggering and stalling... The only thing possibly holding us from going on the Mojave Road trip is a sudden problem that has cropped up that Petra and I are trying to trouble shoot. Intermittent staggering at speed and intermittent stalling at low RPMs or at idle. Nothing like this has ever happened before with this truck until just recently. We think it is one of two things, either time for a new fuel filter or possibly something to do with the cats. We've been experiencing a rattling noise from the exhaust for a few weeks now and assumed it was just something loose. Now we think it may be that the cats are in fact on the downhill. Anything else that might cause intermittent staggering at speed and intermittent stalling at low RPMs or at idle? Maybe the fuel injectors are clogged? We also wanted to raise the idle RPM speed, but thought to change the fuel filter first to rule that out before............ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Tue Dec 17 23:58:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBI4wcT26499 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:58:38 -0500 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:58:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200212180458.gBI4wcT26495@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Re: Rovers on Ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The talk of rover trucks floating around Ebay is quite timely. People are discussing other ebay "mysteries" on my Austin Healey list. Case point - A car that got to the 32K but did not sell....enjoy the reading! Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:26:28 -0800 From: Neil ....... Subject: RE: Ebay BN6 didn't sell ####, If you see shades beside one of the bidder's name, it means that either they are new to Ebay, or they have changed the User ID within the last 30 days... check out http://pages.ebay.com/ebaymotors/help/basics/g-shades.html If you are a registered user, then you can check the User's ID History from this page for details... in this case, they have changed three times this year: User ID History Effective Date End Date trexor14 Monday, 11/12/01 Monday, 1/21/02 archersarrow-com Monday, 1/21/02 Thursday, 11/28/02 rosarc-com Thursday, 11/28/02 Present Then, if you do a search on the seller, in this case gentry.lane, you will find the previous listing for this car was 1872446816. But, checking the bidders on this car, you won't find any of the above names listed, so it was not the "same" Ebay ID bidder when it was previously listed. So, being a bit bored this afternoon, I went a little further than most would....... The trend you may notice is that both times, one user opened the bidding, & from that point onward there were only two different bidders in each case, and all the bidding took place early in the auction.... But wait there's more!....(still being bored).... When you look at this seller's previous automobile auctions (go to the last page of his auctions), the "interesting" point is that the same "buyers" appear over & over again with great frequency....for example "motoguzzimike" & "glorydayz67" are not just interested in this seller's previous Healey (1872446816) , but his 1970 Dodge Challenger (1873503102); "motoguzzimike" & "rosarc-com" are also not just interested in the current Healey, but in his 68 Ford Fairlane (1871939954); not to mention "glorydayz67" & "twinwaterdogs" being interested in this seller's Corvette (1872615251), but also in his Buick sedans (1874234364); and "twinwaterdogs" interest in 59 Fairlanes (1872678397) and 55 Cadillacs (1873356959) Of course, "twinwaterdogs" have never won any auctions, or has "motoguzzimike"..... Which could point to the reality that "one" person may have "multiple" Ebay ID's. Or, of course giving the benefit of the doubt, it could all be completely innocent, in that he has a lot of the same buyers all interested in just his auctions...But...if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, IT'S A DUCK. caveat emptor..... Neil __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Wed Dec 18 00:07:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBI57M226727 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 00:07:22 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 00:07:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200212180507.gBI57L526723@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: RE: E-ville lunch? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 19 lines filtered. ] I'll be there! jpipes From bens Wed Dec 18 00:24:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBI5Owt27872 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 00:24:58 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 00:24:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200212180524.gBI5OvA27868@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: E-ville lunch? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org i am sorry i can't make it tomorrow, i have a lunch meeting fil >From: "Jason Pipes" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: >Subject: RE: E-ville lunch? >Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 00:07:21 -0500 > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ Included Original Message ] > [ 19 lines filtered. ] [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From bens Wed Dec 18 01:14:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBI6EJ528174 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 01:14:19 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 01:14:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200212180614.gBI6EIE28170@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: What A Lousy Day Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This morning I had a little electrical fire in the 109. Smoke billowing from the instrument panel, I popped the extinguisher off its mounts, flung open the bonnet and disconnected the battery. Spent the next 45 minutes peeling melted insulation from the wires and taping bare wire up. The culprit? A cheap American headlight switch (not my idea). I don't feel like dealing with a compromised harness, so I've ordered a new main harness, as well as an OEM headlight switch. Unfortunately it's the later toggle type. ***Does anyone have a IIA combination ignition/headlight switch to sell me?*** (My current ignition is a separate switch owing to the 109 originally being a diesel. Then after an hour of freeway driving home, there's a gawdawful squealing from a rotating part somewhere in the gearbox region. Couldn't see anything from underneath the truck. Pulled the floors in pouring rain, everything looked to be in place. Test drive time. Ten feet outta the driveway and there it is: worn needle bearings in the forward u-joint of the rear driveshaft. It's the original shaft so I guess it's done its duty. As soon as I get back from Christmas travelling I'll install the new harness, scavenge a driveshaft, and JUST in time for Mojave! I'm beginning to think this trip is jinxed for me- last year I broke an axle two days before. Russ and I worked like hell to get the broken stub out of the diff. Everybody, Merry Christmas, Happy Hannukah, and see you on the trail... Mo --------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance 1st month Free! Sign up today at: www.netzerolongdistance.com From bens Wed Dec 18 09:00:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBIE0Fr30326 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:00:15 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:00:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200212181400.gBIE0FK30322@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: What A Lousy Day Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Mo, mpatrykus wrote: >This morning I had a little electrical fire in the 109. Smoke billowing from >the instrument panel, I popped the extinguisher off its mounts, flung open >the bonnet and disconnected the battery. Spent the next 45 minutes peeling >melted insulation from the wires and taping bare wire up. The culprit? A >cheap American headlight switch (not my idea). > That's oddly similar to a problem I had with R, but it was a dead short on the marker lamp which fried the red wire. >I don't feel like dealing with a compromised harness, so I've ordered a new main harness, as well as an OEM headlight switch. Unfortunately it's the later toggle type. > Be sure to keep all the bullet connectors from your old harness. I threw mine out when I got a new harness and have regretted it often since. They are sometimes maligned, but I like them a lot, and I think you'll find you miss them if you toss them. > ***Doesanyone have a IIA combination ignition/headlight switch to sell me?*** (Mycurrent ignition is a separate switch owing to the 109 originally being a >diesel. > > All the ones in my parts pile are dead (killed by the afforementioned short, I guess), but they are available from RN. The whole setup (switch, knob, tumbler & key) runs $125.40 (ouch). Good luck with this and the driveshaft! C From bens Wed Dec 18 10:35:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBIFZgE30877 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:35:42 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:35:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200212181535.gBIFZg430873@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: What A Lousy Day Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mo, IF you are willing to step away from LR authenticity in the name of financial frugality (haha, I'm one to talk right???), you can get a very nice ignition switch from Cole-Hersee. They have all kinds of switches, and one of them might even include a headlight switch. I have a catalog of theirs if you need it, but I know they're on the web and you can probably go down to a local supplier and order direct. Good luck, and sorry about the fire. :( Michael _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From bens Wed Dec 18 10:41:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBIFfis30973 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:41:44 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:41:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200212181541.gBIFfiQ30969@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: What A Lousy Day Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >> I don't feel like dealing with a compromised harness, so I've ordered >> a new main harness, as well as an OEM headlight switch. Unfortunately >> it's the later toggle type. >> > Be sure to keep all the bullet connectors from your old harness. I > threw mine out when I got a new harness and have regretted it often > since. They are sometimes maligned, but I like them a lot, and I > think > you'll find you miss them if you toss them. If the new harness doesn't come with new connector barrels BP carries new ones. You might consider using dielectric grease on the bullets at assembly to keep the moisture out. most "lucas" problems are the result of an oxidized connection. >> ***Doesanyone have a IIA combination ignition/headlight switch to >> sell me?*** (Mycurrent ignition is a separate switch owing to the 109 >> originally being a >> diesel. > > All the ones in my parts pile are dead (killed by the afforementioned > short, I guess), but they are available from RN. The whole setup > (switch, knob, tumbler & key) runs $125.40 (ouch). I have about 3 dead ones too. All happened before I realized that the stock switch should not see more than about 13-14 AMPs max. My switch now activates a relay that carries all the power and my headlamps are on relays. But as I recall your rig is very stock with minimal power needs. If memory serves BP is a bit cheaper on that but the switches are pricey. > > Good luck with this and the driveshaft! A speed tip. Farm the prop shaft out to an automotive machine shop whilst you are installing the harness. We want you to be done in time for the desert trip! TeriAnn J. Wakeman Santa Cruz, California http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman A member of the internet community since 1985. From bens Wed Dec 18 10:44:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBIFirs30993 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:44:53 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:44:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200212181544.gBIFiq830989@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: re. intermittent staggering and stalling... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ditto in the FI harness connectors. I have 4 where the pin contacts in the harness are rusted, and one of the pin contacts in an injector was burnt. Joe - Anyone sell new harness connectors or should I just get them from Alfa Parts? >>> joemulqueen@yahoo.com 12/17/02 08:35PM >>> Hello Jason, This may be empty reading but these are my experiences from owning a 240,000 mile '82 Jag XJ6 (its engine management parts are labeled as Lucus but are actually Bosch). >From 180K to 220K, I slowly replaced/rebuilt nearly everything on the car to keep it running smoothly. One time when I had especially ill regard toward the fuel injectors, I replaced 'em all thinking they just couldn't be any good after 200,000 miles. I didn't test them, I simply pulled 'em out and replaced with new. Did the same with the Bosch fuel pump. There was no resulting difference (the new pump wasn't even any quieter). I've since heard similar experiences from other Bosch system owners. Today's fuel runs pretty clean and injectors just don't seem to clog very easily (at least on old jags). Another time, I supected my rear cat was plugging. I replaced it and cut open the old unit. The honeycomb was clear. I even converted my front cat into a "test" pipe by braking its core out with a large screwdriver and hammer. It's a fairly tough ceramic. If you had a piece half the size of your fist, it would take a good scrunching under the weight of your shoe before it pulverized. And even if a core has dislodged and is rattling, it would be difficult to plug the cat to the point of engine stumbling because after me spending 20 minutes poking out my old unit, it just didn't seem like it could ever break into coarse "gravel" and clog the exit. It seems that the nature of the ceramic material is that when it does break down from the rattling, the very small pieces will actually blow out the rear (hopefully you don't have another cat in line to catch the stuff!). So unless the core has turned "sideways" inside the canister, I don't think its performance has changed much. Also, I think a fuel pump on its last legs would let you know during high flow (speed) requirements. I would first check the filter and the pressure regulator before suspecting the pump. I think you should look at your ign system. You may be able to confirm a problem by simply hooking a timing light up to each individual wire. If the spark is erratic while idling, then you should see it in the erratic light flashes. Assuming your wires are good, I'd scrutinize the distributor - both inside and out. If necessary, remove it from the truck and really clean it up. Also look at the ignition module. Those can cause annoying stuttering to the point of failure. Symptoms often come out when the module is at elevated temperature. Unfortunately, they hard to test at home unless you can swap in a known good unit. If you still think it's "FI related", inspect all the harness connections for poor connections due to dirt, corrosion, or weakened contacts. For the tiny connections to the AFM (have one?) or the ECU, spray some contact cleaner/lube (avail at Frys or equiv). Keep us updated! Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:01:38 -0500 From: "Jason Pipes" Subject: intermittent staggering and stalling... The only thing possibly holding us from going on the Mojave Road trip is a sudden problem that has cropped up that Petra and I are trying to trouble shoot. Intermittent staggering at speed and intermittent stalling at low RPMs or at idle. Nothing like this has ever happened before with this truck until just recently. We think it is one of two things, either time for a new fuel filter or possibly something to do with the cats. We've been experiencing a rattling noise from the exhaust for a few weeks now and assumed it was just something loose. Now we think it may be that the cats are in fact on the downhill. Anything else that might cause intermittent staggering at speed and intermittent stalling at low RPMs or at idle? Maybe the fuel injectors are clogged? We also wanted to raise the idle RPM speed, but thought to change the fuel filter first to rule that out before............ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Wed Dec 18 11:10:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBIGAJP31143 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:10:19 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:10:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200212181610.gBIGAIR31139@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: changing battery Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Charles, The bare cable would be the ground. You should be able to trace it to where it bolts to the frame. Be sure to clean the inside of the cable clamps. They can be coated with an oxide material and insulate the connection. You can but a battery post/cable cleaner that rotates by hand to do this at the parts store. Sometimes the new battery can stand a shineup on the posts also. It doesn't hurt to coat the cable/posts with a good protector grease. Also gotten at the parts store. I know some suggest vaseline etc. but it's easier to buy the correct post protection stuff. Bob B At 06:34 PM 12/17/2002, you wrote: >I am changing my battery with an Optima one on my negative earth 109. >Under the driver seat, where the battery sits, there's an insulated cord >(rear) and an exposed one (front), which I suppose the exposed one is the >negative earth. Is there anything that I should know before changing the >battery? Thanks. > >Charles > > [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Dec 18 11:13:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBIGDHf31192 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:13:17 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:13:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200212181613.gBIGDHI31188@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: What A Lousy Day Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: 8< >>All the ones in my parts pile are dead (killed by the afforementioned >>short, I guess), but they are available from RN. The whole setup >>(switch, knob, tumbler & key) runs $125.40 (ouch). >> > >I have about 3 dead ones too. All happened before I realized that the >stock switch should not see more than about 13-14 AMPs max. My switch >now activates a relay that carries all the power and my headlamps are >on relays. But as I recall your rig is very stock with minimal power [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Ah. When I went through this, BP (my preferred vendor) didn't have the switch and knob. C From bens Wed Dec 18 12:06:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBIH6Jo31730 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:06:19 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:06:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200212181706.gBIH6J531726@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: E-ville lunch? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry we won't see you fil, but we can always try and do a dim sum or a later E-ville lunch. Frank ----------------------- Fil F. wrote: >i am sorry i can't make it tomorrow, i have a lunch meeting > From bens Wed Dec 18 13:56:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBIIuwU32505 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:56:58 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:56:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200212181856.gBIIuw132501@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: 110 bucking/stalling Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason, Petra: I'll buy you both lunch (veggie, of course) if your problems are not related to the ignition amplifier and/or pickup module (BTDT). I did not do the mod Jeremy mentioned that moves the ig amp over to the coil location but I did replace both the components (after trying everything else from driving around for two weeks with a fuel pressure gauge taped to the windshield to replacing the throttle position sensor-- and everything in between). You might not have been on Mendo when I bored the readership with my woes and my diagnostic antics! Cheers, Blair From bens Wed Dec 18 14:18:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBIJIoW00352 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:18:50 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:18:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200212181918.gBIJIoD00348@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RR needs shocks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Our 94 RR LWB is getting a bunch of stuff done at BMC and one thing it needs replacing that I'll do is shocks. So what are the recommendations for an LWB that is still air sprung? I am looking for comfort here, as it will do only a small amount of off roading. It also will be towing our tent trailer. From what I've heard the Bilsteins can be harsh? Is this true? -Rob From bens Wed Dec 18 14:26:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBIJQeZ00474 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:26:40 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:26:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200212181926.gBIJQdG00470@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: RR needs shocks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- "Kerner, Rob" wrote: > > Our 94 RR LWB is getting a bunch of stuff done at BMC and > one thing it > needs replacing that I'll do is shocks. So what are the > recommendations > for an LWB that is still air sprung? I am looking for > comfort here, as > it will do only a small amount of off roading. It also > will be towing [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] >From my memory of my old rangie, I had always thought the ride was nice and smooth. the harshness was I think an off-road issue when bombing down rutted trails....Kevin Kelly should have comments from his as well and others, but I wonder if they make softer ones for the air-sprung rangie? Paul __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Wed Dec 18 14:51:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBIJp0v00639 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:51:00 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:51:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200212181951.gBIJp0V00635@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: RR needs shocks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I can tell you my experience on a 89 RR with Discovery rear springs. I found I had to replace the shocks every 35-50K or so. The way I would find this is the axles would start to hop after hitting bumps on the freeway. New shocks would fix this, and the ride would improve, too. About 6 months ago, I bought a set of used Bilsteins off of ebay for $70 total. The guy claimed they had 6000 miles on them before he decided to go with OME HDs and shocks. I installed them, and the ride is way better that it ever was, even with new Woodheads. There is less of a wallowy feel, so I think new Woodheads are underdamped, while the Bilsteins are either critically or overdamped. There is less body roll, but I don't have anti-roll bars like you do. They are superior off the pavement, too. I can comfortably drive significantly faster on rocky sections of dirt roads. Kerner, Rob wrote: > Our 94 RR LWB is getting a bunch of stuff done at BMC and one thing it > needs replacing that I'll do is shocks. So what are the recommendations > for an LWB that is still air sprung? I am looking for comfort here, as > it will do only a small amount of off roading. It also will be towing > our tent trailer. From what I've heard the Bilsteins can be harsh? Is > this true? > > -Rob > From bens Wed Dec 18 15:51:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBIKpic00967 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:51:44 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:51:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200212182051.gBIKpiS00963@minbar.fourfold.org> From: charles phu To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: changing battery Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 20 lines filtered. ] Hi Bob, Thanks for the suggestions. I also would like to confirm the correct procedure of changing batteries (I don't know if it really matters), just for safety purpose. This is what I thought: 1. disconnect the ground cable (it'd be negative in my case) 2. disconnect the positive cable which connects to the starter solenoid. Then secure both cables insulated from any metal parts. 3. remove the old battery. 4. place the new battery into the battery tray, secure it with the existing powder-coated metal bar/loop by tightening up the long-threaded bolts. 5. connect the positive cable to the positive post of the new battery. 6. connect the negative (ground) cable to the negative post of the new battery. 7. start the engine. If anyone tells any mistakes in what I just described above, please let me know. I'd really appreciate it. Also, I remember some people saying that Optima batteries get delivered with fully charged right from the factory. Is it true? Charles '67 NADA 109 SW '99 Disco II --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now From bens Wed Dec 18 16:00:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBIL04001036 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:00:04 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:00:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200212182100.gBIL04701032@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: What A Lousy Day Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Michael, Mo has a very stock appearing 109. I suspect keeping it that way is a priority. With luck you will see it in a couple weeks. It is a lovely 109. TeriAnn J. Wakeman Santa Cruz, California twakeman@cruzers.com http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Wed Dec 18 16:52:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBILqXX01407 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:52:33 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:52:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200212182152.gBILqXG01403@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: Mendo list Subject: RR springs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I recently was given a set of standard springs for a 89 Range Rover. I am debating whether to install them as is, or buy a second driver's side rear spring and throw away the passenger rear one. Any comments? James From bens Wed Dec 18 17:20:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBIMKHM01638 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:20:17 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:20:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200212182220.gBIMKHF01634@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: intermittent staggering and stalling... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason, I had the same problem in my 4.0L 97 Disco. I had to replace the coil pack and the plug wires and that fixed it. It's my understanding that a 3.9L 93 110 has a distributor so it doesn't have a coil pack, how old are the plug wires? Cheers, Keith From bens Wed Dec 18 17:40:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBIMeuU01737 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:40:56 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:40:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200212182240.gBIMeu901733@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: SUV Bashing on the Today Show Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, On the Today show Mrs. Huffington was bashing all the SUV owners for funding terrorism. I didn't know that the gas I'm buying was Osama SUV Brand and all the cars in the US are running on oil from Alaska. They said "what would Jesus drive?" and they guy from Car and Driver Magazine said " let's see, Jesus was a carpenter, so I'm thinking pick up truck." I laughed, he really nailed them on that one. Don't pick on me cause I drive and SUV, here are some good reasons why folks drive them: No Luxury Tax No Gas Guzzler Tax Fit's all your friends and family allowing you to drive one vehicle instead of two Tow a boat, trailer or camper Safer than that micro small gas saver they'll bury you in when I hit you. (kidding) What about the bad gas milage that pick-ups, sports cars and big luxury cars get? Let's see, how about getting the manufactures to produce vehicle that get better milage instead of hammering me. I bet the auto manufactures are in bed with the gas companies and that's why the milage is so bad. Get the lobbyists out of Washington and you'll see some real change. It's not my fault that my Rover is to cool to drive, they made it for me and I love it! Don't ask me to sell it, it won't happen. Cheers, Keith From bens Wed Dec 18 17:58:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBIMwrZ01829 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:58:53 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:58:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200212182258.gBIMwrt01825@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Thomas Joyner" To: "Mendo List" Subject: New Range Rover intro kit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anyone want a New Range Rover info mailing from LRNA? I'm about to recycle unless someone wants it for a collection or something. Tom Durango From bens Wed Dec 18 19:08:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJ08jj02174 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:08:45 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:08:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200212190008.gBJ08j802170@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: What A Lousy Day Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If his is even close to stock, then he'll probably want to use a stock switch. That's what I'd do I think if I were him. You said something like...."with luck you'll see it in a couple of weeks" about his truck. I chuckled and thought the same thing about mine. It probably won't have a rear seat in time for the trip, so I'll probably just bring the LWB. :( Michael PS But I'm still bringing the trailer! _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From bens Wed Dec 18 19:10:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJ0ABP02199 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:10:11 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:10:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200212190010.gBJ0ABO02195@minbar.fourfold.org> From: charles phu To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: changing battery Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 19 lines filtered. ] Hi Bob, Thanks for the suggestions. I also would like to confirm the correct procedure of changing batteries (I don't know if it really matters), just for safety purpose. This is what I thought: 1. disconnect the ground cable (it'd be negative in my case) 2. disconnect the positive cable which connects to the starter solenoid. Then secure both cables insulated from any metal parts. 3. remove the old battery. 4. place the new battery into the battery tray, secure it with the existing powder-coated metal bar/loop by tightening up the long-threaded bolts. 5. connect the positive cable to the positive post of the new battery. 6. connect the negative (ground) cable to the negative post of the new battery. 7. start the engine. If anyone tells any mistakes in what I just described above, please let me know. I'd really appreciate it. Also, I remember some people saying that Optima batteries get delivered with fully charged right from the factory. Is it true? Charles '67 NADA 109 SW '99 Disco II --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now From bens Wed Dec 18 19:20:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJ0Kqn02268 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:20:52 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:20:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200212190020.gBJ0Kpn02264@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Disco death rattle...(The Light GBrigade rides the Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was innocently driving up 880 towards Santa Rosa as usual...when I noticed i appeared to be going slower suddenly(speed was still ok, but down at 2000 rpm...no guts..I shifted down for some power, and the engine roared up to 3800 before I could even shift back with a belch of smoke...whick cleared up immediately...(it did that a couple times last week...and maybe other times I didn't notice?)all was fine for a minute, than as I approached the orc-land collesium, it started making a tapping/knock sound sounded from exhaust, a bit of more smoke oh shit! figured maybe a valve? as I coasted onto teh offramp steam poured from under the hood as well as oil smoke...I shut down, oil was dripping somewhat, but still up to ok line on dipstick...the coolant overflow was steaming and screaming like a mofo! not sure what relly happened, I started it up for a sec while waiting for AAa and it wouldn't catch, than did! felt moisture in the exhause as it idles...sorta...I'd guess that all the damage from the last three years of coolant issues from teh busted radiator, waterpump, expansion tank etc, along with the biiig gulps of Anzo Borrega dust powder from two years ago donw in the deaser when I broke other things....it may have finally given up the ghost! ;-( Well it did make it over 100,000 miles at least... I am still wondering if there is still another issue that caused all these coolant problems...like maybe the fan-clutch not working right? that is except for teh thermostat that I didn't replace yet... anyone know of a good low mileage 3.9 engine for a song!(literally!) i think that may be a cheaper route.... Paul (driving one of Joe Ernest's Westfalias for the next fw months I guess!) ;-( It'll be much cheaper/easier to do Elgies frame swap than what I am looking at with the engine in the disco....so that's next on the list to do...than someday....) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Wed Dec 18 19:37:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJ0bl902369 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:37:47 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:37:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200212190037.gBJ0bl102365@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Disco death rattle...(The Light GBrigade rides the Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Paul, I have a 4.2 that will bolt right into your truck. It has a very tiny leak near the left front manifold, so I was planning on replacing the gasket when I pulled it. Other than that, it was rebuilt completely like 60K ago, balanced blueprinted, new water pump, new PS pump, etc....heads were re-done too. I was going to keep it for a spare in one of the LWB's, but if you need it I could sell it to you pretty cheap. Problem is, I'd need help pulling it, and then getting it to you. Maybe this would be a good time to come to Vegas? We could pull it before the Mojave trip and then you could take it home after? Course you'd have to get here too. Maybe Charles could toss it in the back of his RR??? Hehe. I know how he loves to come to Vega$. Ugh, kind of a crappy way to spend the holidays eh? Michael _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From bens Wed Dec 18 22:29:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJ3T5303364 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:29:05 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:29:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200212190329.gBJ3T5G03360@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: RR springs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org James, > I recently was given a set of standard springs for a 89 Range Rover. I am > debating whether to install them as is, or buy a second driver's side rear > spring and throw away the passenger rear one. Any comments? Depends upon whether you want it to lean left or right! When I put new springs on my RR I put all driver's side but otherwise stock springs. I guess I'm happy enough with the result. I like it better than it was before, that's for sure! Granny From bens Wed Dec 18 22:31:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJ3Vhv03393 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:31:43 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:31:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200212190331.gBJ3VhB03389@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: RR needs shocks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rob, > our tent trailer. From what I've heard the Bilsteins can be harsh? Is > this true? I can't say how they'll work with the air springs. With my steel springs, I can comment. When I put on the Bilsteins, I had tired springs (but really didn't realize it). I did feel that the Bils were harsh at low speeds but otherwise liked them. Later, I got all new springs and kept the Bils. The harshness seemed to vanish. I surmise that will good springs, they don't preload as much. Granny From bens Wed Dec 18 23:58:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJ4wEl03758 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:58:14 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:58:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200212190458.gBJ4wEg03754@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Rich Lee To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Sighting, Right outside my office! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi All, I pulled up to my office today to find a well-built Green Discovery series SE7 with a big "MasterCraft" sticker on the back window in the parking lot. It had SG front bumper/winch, adventure rack with 4 Hellas & steel wire floor, Dunlop MTs, ARB lockers and Rovertym sliders. In the back were snowshoes and poles. Interestingly, there was a slight dusting of snow at our house atop the Santa Cruz Mts. last night (2400'). I work in the Family Practice Clinic at the Stanford Hoover Pavilion. The truck was there all day, so I assume it belonged to someone working on the building retrofit. Who is this? Where do they wheel? Regards, Rich Lee MD, Stanford Family Practice 1991 Classic Rangie 1995 Disco SD-7 "beater" (under reconstruction) 2000 Disco SE-7 (ski-mobile/kid hauler) From bens Thu Dec 19 00:10:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJ5Am204572 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 00:10:48 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 00:10:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200212190510.gBJ5Ams04568@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: Film shoot w/ a LR spotted... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yesterday spotted a movie being shot in the Mission district at a gas station. The vehicle they were using for the shot was a 1963 SIIa 88. I know this as I pulled into the same gas station to watch and ended up speaking with the prop guy for about 30 minutes. The film will be called, I believe, "Save it for Later". jpipes From bens Thu Dec 19 00:14:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJ5EsF04605 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 00:14:54 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 00:14:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200212190514.gBJ5Es004601@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 110 bucking/stalling Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Blair Peterson wrote: >Jason, Petra: > >I'll buy you both lunch (veggie, of course) if your problems are not related to the ignition amplifier and/or pickup > I've been meaning to get 'round to that. I'll chip in and it can be dinner at The Greens (are they still open?) instead. I went through the same thing in the Summer of '98. C From bens Thu Dec 19 01:53:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJ6r7B05812 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 01:53:07 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 01:53:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200212190653.gBJ6r6F05808@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Tires for the Rangie 94' SWB Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Leslie wrote: >Hi this is Philip(the Dows Eldest), Anywho the Rangie is >in the market for some new tires and I hit TireRack.com >for the latest selection. Well the least to say I was put >down by the fact that they could only recommend the Michelin >4X4 Synchrone 205/80-16. The Michelin Synchrones is what I have on my Classic. They are great in dry, in the rain and in the snow but they are not very good in the mud. Costo has the lowest price on the tires, but you will have to order them. >Then I hit the BritPac site and they suggested that the largest >size without major modification would be the 225/75-16 The 225/75 is only slightly bigger than the 205/80 and you have a ton of tire choices in this size. The 225/75 fits fine without any problems on a stock RR Classic. I drove around (with stock springs) for over a year without any rubbing with no name 225/75s after I traded my original three spoke wheels for a set of five spoke LWB wheels. Kevin From bens Thu Dec 19 02:11:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJ7BtX05944 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 02:11:55 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 02:11:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200212190711.gBJ7BtS05940@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Range Rover Classic Shocks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rob wrote: >Our 94 RR LWB is getting a bunch of stuff done at BMC >and one thing it needs replacing that I'll do is shocks. >So what are the recommendations for an LWB that is still >air sprung? I am looking for comfort here, as it will do >only a small amount of off roading. Bilstein shocks are the way to go for any stock coil (or air) sprung Land Rover. The shocks are great both on and off road and have a lifetime warrantee. Kevin Kelly From bens Thu Dec 19 02:19:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJ7J0D05978 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 02:19:00 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 02:19:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200212190719.gBJ7J0o05974@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: Re: What a Lousy Day Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yeah, TeriAnn, I would like to keep it as stock as possible. And thanks for the kind words about Ol' Blue. One thing I will be getting, though, is the Cole-Hersee battery cutoff switch. They make the most heavy duty, bulletproof cutoff anywhere. For example, you can get a three position switch (off, battery 1, battery 2)that will probably last longer than the rest of the truck. So far I've rolled a snake eyes in finding an OEM combination head/ign switch. Will try further sources Thursday. And as for you, Michael Slade- whom I haven't met yet but am looking forward to meeting- if you don't show up in that crew cab or Serious One, you'll be finding a horse's head in your tent! Mo (okay, maybe a ground hog.) --------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance 1st month Free! Sign up today at: www.netzerolongdistance.com From bens Thu Dec 19 02:19:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJ7J2K05992 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 02:19:02 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 02:19:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200212190719.gBJ7J2v05988@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: ATTN: TUCSON ROVER GUYS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rob Modica, Bob Sharp, anyone, do you know about this 109? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1875068056 Looks to be on the east side of town judging by the housing tract. Nice truck! Mo --------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance 1st month Free! Sign up today at: www.netzerolongdistance.com From bens Thu Dec 19 02:45:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJ7juD06127 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 02:45:56 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 02:45:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200212190745.gBJ7jt606123@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jon Turner" To: "Mendo Recce" Subject: Tires - Bad News / Good News Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bad news is that the sidewall tore on one of my brand new 255/85 tires (I bought them only 2 months ago). Good news is that it was a Big O Tire and they will replace them for free, basically forever. I dropped the tire off yesterday and will pick up the new one tomorrow (it is an unusual size that they don't stock at my local shop). "Every new Big O brand tire bearing the Big O name with serial number and not marked "Blem" and purchased at a Big O Tires store, is warranted against damage or failure due to defects in workmanship, materials or road hazard failure for the life of the original tread. Any such tire, which becomes unserviceable during the corresponding replacement warranty period, will be repaired or replaced free of charge at a Big O Tires store." Also, kudos to Big O for knowing that they couldn't cone balance the tire, without me having to remind them! (I was amazed by that - in fact they told me that they just got a better balancer that would do an even better job than the older Haweka they used back in October). Usually I've found that request to be met with confused looks / blank stares. Jon From bens Thu Dec 19 03:31:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJ8VEx06572 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 03:31:14 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 03:31:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200212190831.gBJ8VEw06568@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Road Trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org As Janet said on the phone a few hours ago... "Hell, leave them at home - problem solved." ...and with that, another problem: due to circumstances beyond her control, Janet may not be making the Mojave run - BUT I AM!!!!! (she regretfully told me to go ahead without her, meaning she thought I'd take pity and volunteer to not go, but that backfired on her once already, so she should know better...) I'm planning on being there with my Gillian, though I REALLY considered taking the SW on the run after seeing just how kickass a working Kodiak heater really is! But, the clutch isn't too good. If anything, I may bail out early again, so that I can be in Visalia for New Year's with her. Charles On Tue, 17 Dec 2002 01:27:43 -0500 SFmms@aol.com writes: > > Thanks, but my time has already been committed by those who do not > like to go > camping. A glimmer of hope remains that a one night camping stay in > Death > Valley may be okay. Hard to be the only one in the family that likes > camping. > It severely limits my offroading opportunities. ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Thu Dec 19 04:21:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJ9LjY06942 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 04:21:45 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 04:21:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200212190921.gBJ9LjX06938@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. What A Lousy Day Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mo, Here's what some people do to upgrade their elec system. 1) Reposition the dimmer switch wires from across the bottom outside edge of the footbox (where they're extremely vulnerable to tire gravel) to up behind the pedal towers and then down from the top of the foot box. 2) Headlight relays. Many great web write ups. Takes existing current out of the light switch and allows even more to supply high watt headlights. Everyone has a favorite relay mounting location - bulkead, fender, or breakfast. While you're at it, cut open your new harness and replace the wires running to the headlamps with larger 12G blue wire (with colored tape to ID white or red tracer) and Cole Hersee solderable light sockets. Now you can safely run big watt H4 lamps (but make sure they're aligned). I'm happy with my 90/130W Hellas....I feel like I'm driving a big German car! 3) Alternator conversion. This can be done later because it primarily deals with the separate engine harness except you'll need it to maximize #2. Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 01:14:18 -0500 From: "mpatrykus" Subject: What A Lousy Day This morning I had a little electrical fire....I don't feel like dealing with a compromised harness, so I've ordered a new main harness..... __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Thu Dec 19 09:32:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJEWFv08179 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:32:15 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:32:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200212191432.gBJEWF908175@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Disco death rattle...(The Light GBrigade rides the Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....steam poured from under the hood as well as oil smoke...I shut down, oil was dripping somewhat...the coolant overflow was steaming and screaming like a mofo!...." Like my friend Zack Arbios is fond of saying.... Comes a time when there's just no "dog" left in that dog. :^( -Dave G. From bens Thu Dec 19 09:52:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJEqW208331 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:52:32 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:52:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200212191452.gBJEqVC08327@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: What a Lousy Day Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Wednesday, December 18, 2002, at 11:19 PM, mpatrykus wrote: > Yeah, TeriAnn, I would like to keep it as stock as possible. And > thanks for > the kind words about Ol' Blue. It is a lovely looking rig. Which is why I added not one but two pictures of it in the British Pacific series catalogue. It is in the 4 109s posed at the rock carrion and there is a side shot with the soft top erected on the page with the soft top parts. > So far I've rolled a snake eyes in finding an OEM combination head/ign > switch. Bummer that. The switch assembly is genuine only, which means it is almost certainly among the parts being discontinued (Anything over 10 years of age). If it were me I'd search high & low for one still on someone's shelf. This is also why I recommend putting the main switched electrics and the headlamps on relays. Original switches aren't meant for high power headlamps or add on accessories. If they only run coil currents and parking/tail lamps they should last virtually forever. The actual switch knob has been NLA for a number of years and you will have to hunt one up off a dead switch. I suggest securing a new switch assembly first while you can and going after the knob as a second effort. For those with the Series II & IIA column mounted turn signal switches, same thing goes. The electrical guts are available last time I looked as genuine LR only. I replaced the steering box over to a late IIA one 24 years ago and it came with a column mounted switch (the original panel mounted one was broken off). A couple years ago on a trip the left turn signal stopped working. I disassembled the unit in an auto parts store parking lot to discover the contacts were worn to the nub. Upon returning home I swapped in a new assembly and hopefully will not have to worry about it for another 30 plus years. If you use the stock switch and expect to keep the rig long term it wouldn't hurt to buy a new one for your parts bin. Luckily most of the electrics were shared with any number of other British cars so will survive the Ford mandated parts obsolescence. But things that are series LR only are surely going away as I write. Of course it remains to be seen what impact Grumman North America will have on Lucas spares for vintage British cars. > And as for you, Michael Slade- whom I haven't met yet but am looking > forward > to meeting- if you don't show up in that crew cab or Serious One, > you'll be > finding a horse's head in your tent! Yah Mikey! I wanna see the stretch limo, rear seats or not. Tell Ed it is a bring your own cushion affair. You have a fashion statement to make. TeriAnn J. Wakeman Santa Cruz, California twakeman@cruzers.com http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Thu Dec 19 09:52:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJEqdH08346 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:52:39 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:52:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200212191452.gBJEqdf08342@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: changing battery Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, It sounds like you are doing it right. Maybe even more careful than most of us. BTW the reason you put the ground cable on last is because when tightening the clamp, if you hit the wrench on a bracket or metal, it won't spark as the hot one would. Bob B At 04:10 PM 12/18/2002, you wrote: >Hi Bob, >Thanks for the suggestions. >I also would like to confirm the correct procedure of changing batteries >(I don't know if it really matters), just for safety purpose. This is what >I thought: >1. disconnect the ground cable (it'd be negative in my case) >2. disconnect the positive cable which connects to the starter solenoid. >Then secure both cables insulated from any metal parts. >3. remove the old battery. [ 22 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Dec 19 11:28:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJGSqi09611 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:28:52 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:28:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200212191628.gBJGSqY09607@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: re. What A Lousy Day Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 04:21:45 -0500 joe mulqueen writes: > > 2) Headlight relays. Many great web write ups. Takes > existing current out of the light switch and allows > even more to supply high watt headlights. Everyone > has a favorite relay mounting location - bulkead, > fender, or breakfast. While you're at it, cut open > your new harness and replace the wires running to the > headlamps with larger 12G blue wire (with colored tape > to ID white or red tracer) and Cole Hersee solderable [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] I kinda copped-out here: on the way home yesterday, I stopped at BP and picked up one of those ARB headlight harnesses. Interesting gadget - it plugs both to your battery terminals, AND into an existing headlight socket! No mods to the existing harness whatsoever...wonder if this is what they used on Gillian in her "X-Files" appearance???? (they replaced the headlights with H4's for the shoot, and I recall they replaced part of the harness, but I didn't know how they did it) I am kinda curious about how this thing works...I initially thought that it ran solely off an old headlight socket, but the instructions say to also connect it to the battery...something to do with triggering the relays??? ...wanna mount my Hellas before Mojave Road! Charles ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Thu Dec 19 11:29:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJGTqg09630 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:29:52 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:29:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200212191629.gBJGTqD09626@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Disco death rattle...(The Light GBrigade rides the Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Paul, ...think that USED water pump may have taken a dump??? Charles On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:32:15 -0500 "Gomes, David" writes: > > "....steam poured from under the hood as well as oil smoke...I shut > down, > oil was dripping somewhat...the coolant overflow was steaming and > screaming > like a mofo!...." > > Like my friend Zack Arbios is fond of saying.... Comes a time when > there's [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Thu Dec 19 11:44:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJGidC09776 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:44:39 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:44:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200212191644.gBJGidh09772@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bruce Grove To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Tires - Bad News / Good News Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jon Turner wrote: > > Also, kudos to Big O for knowing that they couldn't cone balance the tire, > without me having to remind them! (I was amazed by that - in fact they told > me that they just got a better balancer that would do an even better job > than the older Haweka they used back in October). Usually I've found that > request to be met with confused looks / blank stares. > Well I'm reading it with a confused look :-) What do mean by cone balancing and why shouldn't you do it? Cheers, Bruce From bens Thu Dec 19 12:14:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJHEex09990 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:14:40 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:14:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200212191714.gBJHEeD09986@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: RE: cone balancing Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 29 lines filtered. ] That's when they balance the tire using the hole in the center of the rim. They call it cone balancing because they just press the wheel down onto a cone on the balancer. The problem with Rover rims is that those holes that look like they are in the center of the rim are not actually centered. They will be slightly off center, so any balancing done using that as a reference will not be a useful exercise. From bens Thu Dec 19 12:25:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJHPKu10071 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:25:20 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:25:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200212191725.gBJHPKq10067@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Ed Sanman To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Digest miscellany Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org 1. Gerry - Thanks for the Mojave weather report. I would have packed for lower temps, as any trip to Oregon's East side this time of year usually means temps in the single digits or teens. I know we're talking S. Cal rather than Eastern Oregon, but not knowing the altitude had me questioning what we'd experience. 2. Mo - Thanks for the Volvo military truck links. The vehicle I saw wasn't a Sugga, but the front end looked virtually the same. Everything from the windshield back looked like a 544. The tail lights looked like the Sugga, however, as they were shaped like a soup can and appeared very military. 3. Mike - Bring the 130 anyway, and Meredith and I can take turns driving the long wheelbase. I know you really want some pics of the 130 and a LWB RR together, so let's get that done for your portfolio. Ed From bens Thu Dec 19 12:32:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJHWxt10196 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:32:59 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:32:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200212191732.gBJHWxt10192@minbar.fourfold.org> From: charles phu To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: changing battery Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 8 lines filtered. ] Thanks Bob. Charles Bob & Sue Bernard wrote: Charles, It sounds like you are doing it right. Maybe even more careful than most of us. BTW the reason you put the ground cable on last is because when tightening the clamp, if you hit the wrench on a bracket or metal, it won't spark as the hot one would. Bob B --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now From bens Thu Dec 19 12:39:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJHdNa10326 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:39:23 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:39:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200212191739.gBJHdMP10322@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Joe Ward To: mendo_recce-digest@fourfold.org Subject: Trouble getting the hubs back on Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org After refurbishing my rear hubs with new bearings and seals, gentle persuasion has failed to get the hubs the last quarter-inch or so on the bearing sleeve (gentle persuasion = pushing, twisting, shaking, raps with a rubber mallet). Is there a trick I am missing, or do I need to move to the next level of persuasion? I'm a little hesitant since it's been years since I did this operation and I don't remember having any trouble that time. I'd rather not wreck my new bearings or sleeves. Thanks in advance, Joe Ward '67 NADA 109" SW From bens Thu Dec 19 12:47:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJHlTi10376 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:47:29 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:47:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200212191747.gBJHlS910372@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: re. What A Lousy Day Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....I am kinda curious about how this thing works......" The part that plugs into the headlight socket does the triggering of the relays ("sensing" whether you "want" high or low beam). The relays switch battery power to the headlights. They all work just like that, ARB, IPF, Painless, etc. -Dave G. From bens Thu Dec 19 12:53:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJHr5k10415 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:53:05 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:53:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200212191753.gBJHr5P10411@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Trouble getting the hubs back on Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sounds like oil seals interfering with the whatchacallit ring that they ride on. Be sure they're both greased up before placing the hub. Rotating/wobbling the hub might help them popover the lip. Just a thought... But don't be beating on it, that's certainly not required when everything's right. -Dave G. From bens Thu Dec 19 12:55:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJHtEH10446 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:55:14 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:55:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200212191755.gBJHtEs10442@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: cone balancing Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Does this apply to all the newer models (ie Classic Range Rover and newer)? Cheers John Jon Turner wrote: > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ Included Original Message ] > [ 29 lines filtered. ] >That's when they balance the tire using the hole in the center of the rim. >They call it cone balancing because they just press the wheel down onto a >cone on the balancer. > >The problem with Rover rims is that those holes that look like they are in >the center of the rim are not actually centered. They will be slightly off [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Dec 19 13:03:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJI3sF10588 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:03:54 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:03:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200212191803.gBJI3sf10584@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Disco death rattle...(The Light GBrigade rides the Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Charles R Irvin wrote: > > Paul, > > ...think that USED water pump may have taken a dump??? was wondering.....but no water out the bottom of it as far as i could see...just oil from the engine somewhere...thought I saw a puddle of oil above and to the right of the pump, but the oil drips appeared to be coming from the drivers side...I think..strange! I think that whatever happened, the poor engine needs more than just a head-gasket! ;-( It survived Tom no problem, but 30,000 of my use has apparently killed it....so I think that Mikes suggestion is teh best course of action. The origional engine can eventually get re-built in a fcouple years for powering something else....like a mgbgt? or series pick-up! Paul __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Thu Dec 19 13:05:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJI5qx10627 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:05:52 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:05:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200212191805.gBJI5qc10623@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: RE: cone balancing Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It applies to all of the Rover steel rims. The aluminum rims are a single piece casting, so the center hole is located appropriately. Though LR specifies that the aluminum rims be balanced using an adapter now, I believe. From bens Thu Dec 19 13:26:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJIQas10830 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:26:36 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:26:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200212191826.gBJIQa110826@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Lou Weinert" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Optimas in San Francisco Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Its new battery time for my '96 Disco. I guess 5 1/2 years & 80K is pretty good for the original battery. So I thought I'd re-ask the age old question: Which Optima (stock Disco) and the best place to fetch one? I'm also experiencing some idle weirdness after a restart. It will begrudgingly idle (>500rpm), and sometimes stall in P or D. I've taken it to Phillipe twice and the problem keeps coming back. Last time he said he had to reset the computer. I wonder if some of Jason & Petra's problems could be mine as well? My battery change is more precautionary than anything. I have noticed cranking is not as forte as it used to be- don't know if this is affecting idle or not. Thanks for the help. -Lou Weinert _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From bens Thu Dec 19 13:49:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJInwZ11101 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:49:58 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:49:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200212191849.gBJInwD11097@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Disco death rattle...(The Light GBrigade rides the Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Paul Archibald wrote: The origional engine can eventually get re-built in a > fcouple > years for powering something else....like a mgbgt? > or > series pick-up! > > Paul That's the spirit! Say, maybe a home built 130... :) Yeah.... that's the ticket. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Thu Dec 19 13:54:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJIsOo11156 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:54:24 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:54:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200212191854.gBJIsOh11152@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: re. What A Lousy Day Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:47:28 -0500 "Gomes, David" writes: > > The part that plugs into the headlight socket does the triggering of > the > relays ("sensing" whether you "want" high or low beam). The relays > switch > battery power to the headlights. They all work just like that, ARB, > IPF, > Painless, etc. That's what I thought - but should I really connect what they're calling the battery connections to the battery - or to the headlight switch? That's the other one that has me scratching my head. (I guess I could call BP - but they may not know!) The ARB instructions suck! Thanks, Charles ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Thu Dec 19 13:59:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJIxTh11206 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:59:29 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:59:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200212191859.gBJIxSI11202@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Optimas in San Francisco Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Lou, I'm thinking that the stepper motor is fried: my Rangie does the same thing. I've replaced the stepper motor with good/used items with some results, so I feel maybe it's time I bought a new one - though I'd be unhappy if it didn't cure the problem. Charles On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:26:36 -0500 "Lou Weinert" writes: > > I'm also experiencing some idle weirdness after a restart. It will > begrudgingly idle (>500rpm), and sometimes stall in P or D. ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Thu Dec 19 14:11:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJJBev11391 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:11:40 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:11:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200212191911.gBJJBdv11387@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Lou Weinert" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Optimas in San Francisco Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, Donde esta los stepper motor? -Lou >From: Charles R Irvin >Lou, > >I'm thinking that the stepper motor is fried: my Rangie does the same >thing. I've replaced the stepper motor with good/used items with some >results, so I feel maybe it's time I bought a new one - though I'd be >unhappy if it didn't cure the problem. > >Charles > [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From bens Thu Dec 19 14:32:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJJWpY11517 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:32:51 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:32:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200212191932.gBJJWp011513@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: re. What A Lousy Day Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, I've installed 4 of those ARB harnesses to date, and I can help you do it if you want. It's really simple. About the only 'mod' you'll have to do is cut a hole in your headlamp bucket large enough for that headlight plug to pass through. Oh, you'll have to figure out where you want the relays, but that's about it. Michael PS Ed and I will have to do some serious talking. If Paul comes down for the engine, then he'll have to drive one of the trucks on the trip. If he does that, then I could potentially take either the 130 or the Serious One *and* have Ed and his wife Meredith ride in the relative comfort of the LWB. I think that the decision on which truck I'll actually take will be made probably at the zero-hour (if not later, I could break-down heading to Needles). _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From bens Thu Dec 19 14:33:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJJXxM11536 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:33:59 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:33:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200212191933.gBJJXxX11532@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: re. What A Lousy Day Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The ONLY part that connects to any part of your existing loom is the plug that goes to ONE of your existing headlight plugs. Everything else is SEPERATE. Plug the thick red/black wire to your hot lead of your battery, and put the black thick wire to your neg post of the bat. There's an in-line fuse in a weatherpak connector that will keep you from toasting anything upstream of the battery. On a few of the installs I've done, I went and spliced the OEM plug wires to the ARB harness, completely eliminating the plugs. 'Course I can't go back to stock now though. ;) Stock-Schmock (hey, that's Yiddish!) Michael _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From bens Thu Dec 19 14:38:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJJc2c11572 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:38:02 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:38:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200212191938.gBJJc1211568@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Stepper motor Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....Donde esta los stepper motor?...." That's EL stepper motor to you, mister. :^) Back end of the intake plenum, near the firewall, sticking out toward the passenger side, that is IF you have a 3.5/3.9/4.2. If you're a 4.0/4.6 guy it's sticking out of the front side of the throttle body. In either case, it's a little can about the size of a 35mm film can. Unplug the harness and then, for 3.9 unscrew the unit with a big crescent or socket, if you have the right one, for a 4.0 remove 2 torx screws to remove the unit. Reverse to refit. You might get away with cleaning yours. Hose the pintle and seat down with some throttle body cleaner (aerosol) and wipe off the coking. -Dave G. From bens Thu Dec 19 14:42:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJJgPX11645 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:42:25 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:42:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200212191942.gBJJgOf11641@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: re. What A Lousy Day Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....should I really connect what they're calling the battery connections to the battery - or to the headlight switch?...." No no no.... The whole idea of the thing is to feed power directly from the battery and NOT use your stock harness for the headlight power at all. If you were going to connect those wires to the headlight switch there would be no reason for the relays to be there at all, as they would be drawing current through your existing wiring and switch. The whole idea of the relays is to eliminate the headlight current load from your stock harness. Connect the heavy + and - wires straight to the battery. It should have a built in fuse in the hot line anyway. Plug the sensing line into one of your headlight sockets, and plug the headlights into the two headlight sockets provided on the ARB harness. This will leave one old headlight socket hanging loose. I just packed mine with dielectric silicone and taped it up to keep dirt out. -Dave G. From bens Thu Dec 19 14:44:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJJitY11684 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:44:55 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:44:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200212191944.gBJJitW11675@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Optimas in San Francisco Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Lou, It's an electronic thingy that screws into the R.H. rear corner of the plenum. Sometimes, you can get away with removing/cleaning it, and that would cure idle problems. Can't miss it - it's a big sucker that has what looks like 4 seperate wires on a square plug going into it. Charles On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:11:39 -0500 "Lou Weinert" writes: > > Charles, > Donde esta los stepper motor? > -Lou ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Thu Dec 19 14:44:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJJitr11685 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:44:55 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:44:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200212191944.gBJJitF11677@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: re. What A Lousy Day Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...Just wanted to be sure... :) Charles On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:33:59 -0500 "Polla Slade" writes: > > The ONLY part that connects to any part of your existing loom is the > plug > that goes to ONE of your existing headlight plugs. > > Everything else is SEPERATE. Plug the thick red/black wire to your > hot lead > of your battery, and put the black thick wire to your neg post of > the bat. [ 20 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Thu Dec 19 14:47:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJJlwn11775 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:47:58 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:47:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200212191947.gBJJlwD11771@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: re. What A Lousy Day Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Now, hold yourself together there, Michael...everything will be allright...just calm down. :) Charles On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:32:51 -0500 "Polla Slade" writes: > > I could break-down heading > to > Needles). ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Thu Dec 19 14:52:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJJqhn11845 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:52:43 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:52:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200212191952.gBJJqhT11841@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: headlight relays Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ".....the only 'mod' you'll have to do is cut a hole in your headlamp bucket large enough for that headlight plug to pass through....." Not sure about the ARB ones, but on the Painless kits you can insert a small (jeweler's) screwdriver into the plastic plug from the "business" end and depress the small retainer clip on each spade lug, then pull each one out of the plastic connector. Do one "side" (left or right headlight) at a time so you can compare to the other one to get the wires back in the proper locations. But this way you can put the wires through an existing grommet in the bucket, and then replace the big plastic connector once the wires are through. I've been using the Painless looms because I heard the ARB ones used different relay son the two legs, and that one of them was tough to find a replacement for. May be all hogwash or old info by now, but it does pay to think about spares. The G has a bank of 5 relays on the passenger inner fender now (hi beam, lo beam, fog lights, driving lights, and compressor) and they're all the same 40A relay. 40A is overkill for the compressor clutch yes, but they're all swappable, so I don't even bother carrying a separate spare. The winch power relay is another story. MB supplies this thing about the size of a beer can, so if that one goes and I need to winch, I'll have to jumper it. Jumpering can be done with any relay in a pinch of course, if you have about a 4" piece of 12ga wire with a male spade terminal on either end. :^) -Dave G. From bens Thu Dec 19 14:56:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJJuEN11914 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:56:14 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:56:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200212191956.gBJJuDK11910@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Optimas in San Francisco Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ".....It's an electronic thingy..." Electro-mechanical, actually. And that's the real problem. Much as the ME in me hates to admit it, electronic things are lots more reliable than electrical and mechanical things. :^( And it's usually the "mechanical" bits of the stepper motor (Idle Air Control Valve, really) that cause it's demise, more so than the electrical. That's why cleaning can keep them going longer. Make the cleaning a 30k service item and you'd probably never have to replace another one....maybe.... :^) -Dave G. From bens Thu Dec 19 14:58:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJJw2411931 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:58:02 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:58:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200212191958.gBJJw2a11927@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: joemulqueen@yahoo.com Subject: SP 25% off Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello, In today's SF Chronicle sports section (maybe other papers also), there's a 25% off coupon for ANY single purchase at Sportmart - today only. Joe Mulqueen __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Thu Dec 19 15:39:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJKdKa12267 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:39:20 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:39:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200212192039.gBJKdKk12263@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Mojave Road "online" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org For those wanting an online mile by mile review of the Mojave Road, there's a European fellow named: Peter Szymanski. His website is currently under reconstruction but he emailed me a formatted text version. I believe the accompanying maps are still online for printing. If anyone wants the text version, let me know and I'll shoot it over! Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109SW Cotati, CA __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Thu Dec 19 17:49:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBJMnuQ12963 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:49:56 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:49:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200212192249.gBJMnu512959@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Range Rover shocks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rob, Tough for me to comment in the context of an air sprung Rangie, but pull want you want from this context of a coil sprung D110: I recently installed Bilsteins (with OME springs) to replace short-lived OME shocks. The Bils are smooth/supple. I was concerned about harshness-- there is none. In fact, I actually think the 110 needs a firmer damping shock than the Bil. When running empty or lightly loaded, all is fine. When fully loaded, I need more damping. Which reminds me of Chris' adamant comments that his Bil shock/OME spring combo on G was lousy-- especially if he was towing the '74 Eichler, err, I mean Bambi. Bottom line: when the Bils wear out (do they? one reason I got 'em was because the OMEs seem to go 'soft' so fast and Bils I'd heard last 'forever') I may switch back to OME or try something else. (I think they might be great for the Rangie). Cheers, Blair PS: Impressive sighting in Emeryville y'day: (parked L to R) D110, SIIA 109, SIII 88, SI 8_, D110. From bens Thu Dec 19 19:36:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBK0alT13643 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:36:47 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:36:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200212200036.gBK0akD13639@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Range Rover shocks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm going to add my .02 cents here too. I run the Rancho RS9000's on all of my trucks, except I have one left that has OME's. I really like the Rancho's, and have said before that even though ARB is a client, I'd rather pay retail for Rancho's than get OME shocks for free. 'Tis true. Don't get me wrong, I love ARB, but I just don't like their shocks. That said: I have one pair of stock length coiler OME shocks in the box for sale. I also have one pair of stock length coiler Warn Black Diamond shocks in the box for sale. The Warn's are super extra rare because they sold that division of the company a while back. So....take the collector's value in mind when making me an offer on them. ;) Seriously, I'd let these things go really cheap, so if anyone is going to the Mojave trip I can bring them along. The OME's are a tad stiffer than the Warn's, but I think the Warn's actually lasted longer than the OME's. It's been a LOOOOONG time since I ran either. Man, between my shocks and trying to pawn off my 4.2 to Paul, you'd think I run some kind of used LR parts shop. Either that or I'm broke (probably the latter). I also have a set of 16 inch steel wheels that are powdercoated black for sale. Those are super cheap too. Anyway, just throwing it out. I have no experience with Bilsteins, but apparently they are worth the extra $$$ that you have to pay for them. I also understand that they have a lifetime warranty? Might be a really good reason to go with them. As for the air-spring harshness, that is due to the inherent characteristics of air springs vs. coil springs. They are *completely different* in terms of their ride characteristics, so much so that you can't even use the same terms when talking about things like spring rate, etc... You might be able to reduce that harshness by running a super soft shock, but you'd be all over the place on the rebound side. Woodhead shocks aren't worth the pixels it took to read this sentence on your screen. You should never pay real cash for a set of stock Woodheads. Good luck! Michael _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_virusprotection_3mf From bens Thu Dec 19 20:25:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBK1PkE13875 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:25:46 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:25:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200212200125.gBK1Pkr13871@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Historic moments at Casa de Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks, It's amazing what you can get done when you're in the process of moving: cleaning house, getting rid of junk (I mean, REAL junk!), finding rare and obscure parts that you know are not available anymore (brand new, still in the BL wrapper, center console & radio panel for a '71 MGB!). Well, this week, we have placed Gambrinus in the driveway. We have driven the '67 109SW to Visalia - and have discovered that Kodiak heaters really do kick ass(!!!) And, as of today, we have a running Heinzmobile!!!!!!!! For those not in the know, it's a '80 Chevy van that belongs to a friend named Heinz, who resides in Germany: the van hasn't been started in about 4 years due to an up-until-now unknown electrical problem. It's been sitting in the driveway the whole time, blocking the big gate that goes into the backyard. ...it was simple: the ground strap from engine to chassis was missing! I installed a new one, replaced the negative battery cable (it was fried as a result - couldn't even bend it in a couple of places!), charged the battery for a few hours, and it fired on the second try! So, now that it runs, I can drive it onto/off of the trailer for moving to Visalia, which will really save my bones from having to heave that beast around solo. Next up - lighting up Gambrinus (next week, unless the rains stop sooner...) Charles ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Thu Dec 19 20:52:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBK1qQB13975 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:52:26 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:52:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200212200152.gBK1qQd13971@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Disco death rattle...(The Light GBrigade rides the Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bummer Paul! Are you sure it just not a head gasket? TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gomes, David" To: Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 6:32 AM Subject: RE: Disco death rattle...(The Light GBrigade rides the > > "....steam poured from under the hood as well as oil smoke...I shut down, > oil was dripping somewhat...the coolant overflow was steaming and screaming > like a mofo!...." > > Like my friend Zack Arbios is fond of saying.... Comes a time when there's > just no "dog" left in that dog. :^( > > -Dave G. From bens Thu Dec 19 21:26:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBK2QXF14123 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:26:33 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:26:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200212200226.gBK2QWv14119@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Matt W" To: Subject: Re: Mojave Road "online" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Joe, I'll search for his web site, later tonight. how about Lat Lon coordinates for the meeting point. Does anyone have them? I think it would be cool to play with my new GPS/toy. If there in the Mojave road book I have to wait, loaned it to a friend. What was I thinking? book sits for two years on my book shelf then two weeks before the trip I loan it out...What a maroon..... Matt Wilson, ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe mulqueen" To: "mendo" Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 12:39 PM Subject: Mojave Road "online" > > For those wanting an online mile by mile review of the > Mojave Road, there's a European fellow named: Peter > Szymanski. His website is currently under > reconstruction but he emailed me a formatted text > version. I believe the accompanying maps are still > online for printing. > If anyone wants the text version, let me know and I'll > shoot it over! [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Dec 20 10:40:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBKFefl19881 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:40:41 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:40:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200212201540.gBKFefi19877@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Disco death rattle...(The Light GBrigade rides the Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles had to go and mention your water pump failing, so now guess what!!!! I have a trickle out of the water pump on LWB #2. Dammit!!!! I've changed one once, and remember it was a pain. Thanks a lot man! This motor only has 107K on it, so I thought it was a little strange that it's dripping already. Sheeshe!!! Like I said, lots can happen between here and Needles. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphotos_3mf From bens Fri Dec 20 12:10:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBKHADm20790 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:10:13 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:10:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200212201710.gBKHACv20786@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Ed Sanman To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Mojave cruise Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So, TeriAnn says, "Yah Mikey! I wanna see the stretch limo, rear seats or not. Tell Ed it is a bring your own cushion affair." Then Mike says, "Ed and I will have to do some serious talking. If Paul comes down for the engine, then he'll have to drive one of the trucks on the trip. If he does that, then I could potentially take either the 130 or the Serious One *and* have Ed and his wife Meredith ride in the relative comfort of the LWB." Mike's always led me to believe this was a shakedown cruise for his new guiding business. Meredith and I not only expect 'comfort', we're expecting to have all our meals prepared, tent set up , and chocolates on our pillows when we're ready to turn in for the night! And, I want to know the qualifications of our driver. I'll have to give Bill Burke a call. =8^) Ed From bens Fri Dec 20 12:57:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBKHvF021247 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:57:15 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:57:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200212201757.gBKHvFi21243@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave cruise Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, If Ed really wants chocolates, *AND* he understands that this is a shake-down cruise, perhaps I ought to give him a few squares of Ex-Lax so that he can try out that new toilet system! Hehe. I worked on the LWB last night, almost have the lockers plumbed and power to the compressor, so at least we'll have one fully operational vehicle on the trip. I'll bring all the cooking stuff, and hopefully between the 3 of us all the vehicles will be running, no parts will have to be retrieved from town, and we'll have some dried bread to eat and hard water to drink. Anything beyond that will be a welcome surprize! Oh yeah, and bring your own cushion! ;) And as for qualifications, don't ask Bill. :O Michael >From: Ed Sanman >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" >Subject: Mojave cruise >Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:10:12 -0500 > >So, TeriAnn says, >"Yah Mikey! I wanna see the stretch limo, rear seats or not. Tell Ed >it is a bring your own cushion affair." [ 14 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_advancedjmf_3mf From bens Fri Dec 20 13:01:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBKI1Gg21281 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:01:16 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:01:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200212201801.gBKI1Gk21277@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Nancy Hart To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: east bay to Mohave? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm still trying to decide if I'm going to go with my kids to Mohave.. The cold nights may be too much for them. And in the storm,. the del Amigo creek overflowed and ended up in my and my neighbor's homes. I will be moving into a borrowed airstream trailer in a few weeks so my floors and wet muddy wall can get ripped out and repaired so I logically should be spending my vaca week getting ready for that. but if I do go, who is going down from the East bay? Jason and Petra? Jon and Emily? I was told it is at least a 10 hour drive from here the Bay Area to Needles? nancy nancyehart@mac.com '97 blued90 #0047 From bens Fri Dec 20 13:22:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBKIMAA21394 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:22:10 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:22:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200212201822.gBKIM9G21390@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Brian Foster" To: Subject: 1971 Range Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I thought this was interesting: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6296&i tem=1875008780&rd=1 I am curious what others think would be required if this RR was brought to California. Let's assume that it is the worst case scenario: - imported to the US through Florida - no US title yet (another scenario says it has a Florida title) What do people think we would run into bringing this car to California? Brian From bens Fri Dec 20 13:30:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBKIUYf21463 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:30:34 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:30:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200212201830.gBKIUYD21459@minbar.fourfold.org> From: BSharp4601@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: ATTN: TUCSON ROVER GUYS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 17 lines filtered. ] In a message dated 12/20/2002 8:42:16 AM US Mountain Standard Time, owner-mendo_recce-digest@fourfold.org writes: > ATTN: TUCSON ROVER GUYS > > Rob Modica, Bob Sharp, anyone, do you know about this 109? > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1875068056 > Looks to be on the east side of town judging by the housing tract. > Nice truck! > It belongs to Derek Miles, nice guy, nice Rover. He's building another three door with a Chevy six conversion. That one should be pretty neat when it's done. Bob Sharp Tucson, AZ From bens Fri Dec 20 14:10:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBKJAZQ21847 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:10:35 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:10:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200212201910.gBKJAYw21843@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 1971 Range Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Brian, A friend of mine went to that guy's shop and has some very unflattering things to say about both the truck and the owner. I don't want to spread bad will publicly online, so I'll leave it there. E-mail me if you want more info, and I can get you in touch with the guy who went and saw it in person. Later, Michael >From: "Brian Foster" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: >Subject: 1971 Range Rover >Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:22:09 -0500 > >I thought this was interesting: >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6296&i >tem=1875008780&rd=1 [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From bens Fri Dec 20 14:28:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBKJSYj22025 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:28:34 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:28:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200212201928.gBKJSYU22021@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Disco death rattle...(The Light GBrigade rides the Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Michael, Sorry, but hey - better now than on the trail, right? That would be very bad for business! Am heading to Visalia today, but if needed, I can always cruise over to give you morale support on Sunday...still gotta give you your Mojave Road Guide anyway. :) Charles On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:40:41 -0500 "Polla Slade" writes: > > Charles had to go and mention your water pump failing, so now guess > what!!!! > > I have a trickle out of the water pump on LWB #2. Dammit!!!! > > I've changed one once, and remember it was a pain. Thanks a lot > man! ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Fri Dec 20 14:41:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBKJfiB22103 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:41:44 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:41:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200212201941.gBKJfiC22099@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: roundel@hotmail.com Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Brian, I just read this post from Michael - and it just clicked in my head that you saw the truck on EBay...NEVER buy a vehicle off EBay, unless you can go and look at it personally!!!!!! The guy that I get used Rangie parts from knows too many customers that have been burned on EBay. Be careful. Get the VIN so that you can check it to see if it's hot. Charles On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:10:34 -0500 "Polla Slade" writes: > > Brian, > > A friend of mine went to that guy's shop and has some very > unflattering > things to say about both the truck and the owner. > > I don't want to spread bad will publicly online, so I'll leave it > there. [ 31 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Fri Dec 20 14:59:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBKJx1022293 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:59:01 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:59:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200212201959.gBKJx1t22289@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Eugene Simpson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 1971 Range Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Brian, Alabama did not recognize auto/truck titles prior to 1976. All you need to register a pre-76 vehicle is a bill of sale. In fact, just a PO-signed scrap of paper will work. I know. You simply show up at any county Probate Judge office, pay the sales tax (3.5% of stated purchase price) and tag fee. It took me all of 10 minutes to register my '64 SIIA, and the PO dropped a zero from the stated purchase price to help ease the tax burden. They mail me a renewal form each year, and I just mail it back with my check. I presume that once it was registered in Alabama (or similar state with arcane DMV regs), transferring it to California or other tough lawed state would not be too hard. Alabama has no vehicle inspection required, and of course no smogging. Something to consider. Gene Simpson Auburn, AL '64 SIIA 88" petrol - "Fetch" '97 Disco SE-7 - "Oui Geaux" From bens Fri Dec 20 16:03:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBKL3CF22688 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:03:12 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:03:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200212202103.gBKL3BF22684@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave cruise Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Ed Sanman wrote: > > So, TeriAnn says, > "Yah Mikey! I wanna see the stretch limo, rear seats or > not. Tell Ed > it is a bring your own cushion affair." Simple! just put in three or four bean-bag chairs! ;-) > Then Mike says, > "Ed and I will have to do some serious talking. If Paul > comes down for > the engine, then he'll have to drive one of the trucks on > the trip. If he > does that, then I could potentially take either the 130 > or the Serious One > *and* have Ed and his wife Meredith ride in the relative > comfort of the [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] but Mike, I thik Ed was hinting about wanting teh plush luxury of a LWB earlier...so maybe they really want to take a rangie, and we can go in whatever is better able to pull the trailer? I was sorta lookin' forward to getting to play in the serious one, but... :-) > Mike's always led me to believe this was a shakedown > cruise for his new > guiding business. Meredith and I not only expect > 'comfort', we're expecting > to have all our meals prepared, tent set up , and > chocolates on our pillows > when we're ready to turn in for the night! And, I want > to know the > qualifications of our driver. you kow your own qualifications! ;-) My understanding from Mike, was it's a self-guided tour with expert(?) catering by the crew(whoever ends up driving the 130 and towing the chuckwagon is the chef! ;-) Paul(will be there even if I end up taking the bus!) :-) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Fri Dec 20 16:36:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBKLaEP22873 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:36:14 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:36:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200212202136.gBKLaD122869@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: Tony McCauly's phone number?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 19 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" Can someone help me..I've misplaced Tony's number. Thanks, Daniel From bens Fri Dec 20 19:58:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBL0wTj23945 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:58:29 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:58:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200212210058.gBL0wTc23941@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Ed Sanman To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Mojave hams Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I didn't hear back from anyone about repeaters that should be programmed in for this trip. Also, since I'm not familiar with any of your call signs, why don't we get a list started of those attending. Ed Sanman KD7TRX From bens Fri Dec 20 20:36:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBL1a8q24098 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 20:36:08 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 20:36:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200212210136.gBL1a8X24094@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Shannon Holland" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: I'm still not there yet... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org But I'm almost to needles (40 miles) - left today for my xmas high altitude rover test. Things I've learned so far: - the price of gas in bakersfield makes me wish my rover had a big tank (no jerry cans) - puppies can be made veryhappy on long road trips by giving them a cheeseburger - huskies do not like pickles - newfoundlands will eat pretty much anything, unless it can run faster than they can (not very hard) - the 110 gets 11.5 mpg at 75mph and 15mpg at 70 mph. Aerodynamics of a bread truck? - fixing a leaky vacuum advance does wonderous things to your engine I'm up on aprs so I can be found at: http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/find.cgi?kg6des Shannon From bens Fri Dec 20 21:17:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBL2HxS24295 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:17:59 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:17:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200212210217.gBL2HxL24291@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: RE: I'm still not there yet... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 33 lines filtered. ] To add to Shannon's list, here's what I learned today: - Replacing a failing pickup coil and plate can dramatically increase engine performance. (and it starts better, too!) I don't think my 110 has ever seen 15mpg. KG6NOV From bens Fri Dec 20 21:43:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBL2ho424417 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:43:50 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:43:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200212210243.gBL2hol24413@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave cruise Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Paul, The Serious One is fully operational. If you want to pay for gas and ride in a truck that has no heater, be my guest! So, you will be coming correct? That's 4 of us, so whatever you wanted to drive in/ride in would be cool with me. Is Charles coming too??? Do we have a final count, or anything resembling one? I know Matthew Jackson from Paso Robles is planning on coming, but he's not on the Mendo list. I'm sure there are others. What about Peter Hope and the other alleged PNW attendees? This is going to be neat to see who shows up! Michael _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphotos_3mf From bens Fri Dec 20 21:49:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBL2nSm24456 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:49:28 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:49:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200212210249.gBL2nSM24449@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Time to test my trailer... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks, I'm beginning the third step in the great move north: I now have a barely-fitting Heinzmobile atop a trailer, being towed by the Janetmobile - the Janetmobile is in dire need of new springs! ('91 Ford F150 cargo van that has been most abused over the years...still looks great, though) Will be leavig here in 1/2 an hour or so, and taking Sierra Highway up into Palmdale, then Highway 138 into Gorman, then down the 5 - it beats climbing both the Grapevine and Tehachapi. I think the Rangie will be better off towing the rest of the cars after seeing how this van sits with just the empty trailer before the Heinzmobile was on it! Here goes... Charles ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Fri Dec 20 21:49:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBL2nS524455 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:49:28 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:49:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200212210249.gBL2nSo24445@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: I'm still not there yet... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Shannon, does this mean you'll be on the Mojave run this year??? Charles On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 20:36:08 -0500 "Shannon Holland" writes: > > But I'm almost to needles (40 miles) - left today for my xmas high > altitude rover test. > > Things I've learned so far: > > - the price of gas in bakersfield makes me wish my rover had a big > tank > (no jerry cans) [ 18 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Fri Dec 20 21:51:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBL2pQh24493 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:51:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:51:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200212210251.gBL2pQ224489@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave cruise Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Michael, Hell yes I'm going to be there!!!!! I may have to cut my participation short, because Janet may not be able to make it, and I want to spend New Year's with her. But I'll be there - Gillian too! Charles On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:43:50 -0500 "Polla Slade" writes: > > Paul, > > The Serious One is fully operational. If you want to pay for gas > and ride > in a truck that has no heater, be my guest! > > So, you will be coming correct? That's 4 of us, so whatever you > wanted to [ 21 additional quoted lines pruned. ] http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=732 4&DI=7474&SU= > > http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphoto s_3mf > > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Fri Dec 20 22:01:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBL314Y24548 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:01:04 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:01:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200212210301.gBL313024539@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Re: Cone Balancing Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John Brabyn wrote: >Does this apply to all the newer models (ie Classic >Range Rover and newer)? Almost all modern (past 30 years) alloy wheels have the center hole close enough to center that a hub centric balance (using a cone) is fine even if the wheels have lug centric mounting. Most cars have lug centric mounting, but all modern BMWs use hub centric mounting so you always want to use a cone to balance BMW wheels. I have never heard of a problem with hub centric balancing of Land Rover alloys using a cone. Kevin Kelly From bens Fri Dec 20 22:01:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBL314524549 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:01:04 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:01:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200212210301.gBL313D24541@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Optimas in SF Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Lou wrote: >Its new battery time for my '96 Disco. I guess 5 1/2 years >& 80K is pretty good for the original battery. So I thought >I'd re-ask the age old question: Which Optima (stock Disco) I would get a red top Optima, the one I put in my Range Rover Classic 5 years ago is still going strong... >and the best place to fetch one? Costco at 450 10th between Harrison & Bryant has them in the tire center for just over $100 (best price I have ever seen). I'm going to pick one up for the HSE as soon as I figure out how to change the battery. It's scary that the HSE has so many electronic things that I don't want to do anything wrong and have to bring it in to connect to a test book if I screw up and the alarm arms itself or the HVAC computer reverts to Celsius. Kevin From bens Fri Dec 20 22:19:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBL3Jkn24622 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:19:46 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:19:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200212210319.gBL3JkK24618@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave hams Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm not sure of the repeaters in that area... sorry. Will try to look them up if I get a chance. Otherwise, I'm K7LRO. Cheers, Gerry >From: Ed Sanman >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" >Subject: Mojave hams >Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:58:29 -0500 > >I didn't hear back from anyone about repeaters that should be programmed in >for this trip. Also, since I'm not familiar with any of your call signs, >why don't we get a list started of those attending. [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphotos_3mf From bens Fri Dec 20 23:08:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBL48hF24843 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:08:43 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:08:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200212210408.gBL48hb24839@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: RE: I'm still not there yet... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ok, all I want to know is, how do I go about being able to do that!!! ----------- I'm up on aprs so I can be found at: http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/find.cgi?kg6des Shannon From bens Fri Dec 20 23:56:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBL4u5q25019 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:56:05 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:56:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200212210456.gBL4u5n25015@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Shannon Holland" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: I'm still not there yet... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was very happy when I first bought it - got 15mpg on the wayhome from LA. Since then bounces around, this is the first time in a while that I've managed 15 - a happy bonus! Shannon On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 6:24PM -0800, Jon Turner wrote: From bens Sat Dec 21 00:24:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBL5Ol126391 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 00:24:47 -0500 Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 00:24:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200212210524.gBL5OkJ26387@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Shannon Holland" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: I'm still not there yet... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Unfortunately, probably not. Liz in flying out to meet me in Las Cruces on the 26th, then we're going snowboarding in colorado and utah for the trip home. One day I will make it on the mojave trip though - it sounds like an awesome trip! Shannon On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 6:54PM -0800, Charles R Irvin wrote: From bens Sat Dec 21 00:27:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBL5Rrk26420 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 00:27:53 -0500 Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 00:27:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200212210527.gBL5RqC26416@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: I'm still not there yet... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason, I was thinking the exact same thing! That's pretty cool. Michael >From: "Jason Pipes" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: >Subject: RE: I'm still not there yet... >Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:08:43 -0500 > >Ok, all I want to know is, how do I go about being able to do that!!! > >----------- [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 limited-time offer: Join now and get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_newmsn8ishere_3mf From bens Sat Dec 21 09:23:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBLENfT29060 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:23:41 -0500 Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:23:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200212211423.gBLENeS29056@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave hams Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > >Ed Sanman KD7TRX > > K7LRO Gerry Elam KG6GOV Christopher Dow KG6HSV Leslie Dow (although we're just in the neighborhood--not running the Road) From bens Sat Dec 21 09:27:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBLERTW29089 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:27:29 -0500 Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:27:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200212211427.gBLERS429085@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: I'm still not there yet... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Shannon Holland wrote: >8< > >I'm up on aprs so I can be found at: > >http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/find.cgi?kg6des > > OK. That's just cool. C From bens Sat Dec 21 09:38:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBLEcRu29134 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:38:27 -0500 Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:38:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200212211438.gBLEcRN29130@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave hams Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Christopher Dow wrote: Woops. TMS is HSG not HSV. K7LRO Gerry Elam KG6GOV Christopher Dow KG6HSG Leslie Dow From bens Sat Dec 21 10:13:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBLFDZG29300 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:13:35 -0500 Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:13:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200212211513.gBLFDZx29296@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Shannon Holland" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: I'm still not there yet... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org With today's ham radios it's very easy. Several of the newer radios (well newer when I was looking a couple of years ago) do APRS directly. I'm using the kenwood D700. So, all you need to do is get a technician ham license (it's easy to get), get an aprs radio (or a packet radio plus pc and aprs software), attach a gps to the radio and it does all the rest. The finu thing works as there are aprs->internet gateways. They push aprs packets on the net, findu.com collects them and puts them in a database along with providing all the presentation pages. Shannon On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 8:28PM -0800, Jason Pipes wrote: From bens Sat Dec 21 10:30:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBLFUoc29415 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:30:50 -0500 Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:30:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200212211530.gBLFUob29411@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: I'm still not there yet... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So, technically speaking, everyone using this technology that is broadcasting their location, could be located by us on the internet at any given time, correct? I was wondering if you were logging on via your ham, or if you have a cell-phone hookup to your laptop. I gotta see what this is. Michael _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_advancedjmf_3mf From bens Sat Dec 21 10:53:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBLFroY29537 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:53:50 -0500 Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:53:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200212211553.gBLFrnv29533@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Shannon Holland" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: I'm still not there yet... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Sat, 21 Dec 2002 7:36AM -0800, Polla Slade wrote: > > So, technically speaking, everyone using this technology that is > broadcasting their location, could be located by us on the internet at > any > given time, correct? Yep. If you look through the findu site you can see other people. For example, you can ask for a list of stations near another station, near a lat/long, abreadcrumbtrail of a single station, weather reports for a station or location. The findu site really does a lot to make aprs useful. > > I was wondering if you were logging on via your ham, or if you have a > cell-phone hookup to your laptop. I'm getting email from my tmobile sidekick - glad there is coverage out here! You can do email/net things over ham but it's very limited in what you can do (due to it's lack of implementation and fcc regulations - all data must be public). Shannon From bens Sat Dec 21 13:19:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBLIJu030152 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:19:56 -0500 Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:19:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200212211819.gBLIJue30148@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Range Rover History Feature on Car & Driver Website Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/classiccars/classiccars_rover.xm l From bens Sat Dec 21 14:38:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBLJcDR30529 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:38:13 -0500 Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:38:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200212211938.gBLJcDc30525@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 1971 Range Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 14 lines filtered. ] In a message dated 12/20/02 10:23:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, roundel@hotmail.com writes: > What do people think we would run into bringing this car to California? > The Department of Motor Vehicles grey market division. Unless you could prove it was federalized and titled in the US some time ago. Zack From bens Sat Dec 21 16:13:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBLLDiA30953 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 16:13:44 -0500 Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 16:13:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200212212113.gBLLDiq30949@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: "mendo_recce@fourfold.org" Subject: RR inquiry Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I received the following, any RR owners (or others) care to comment? Reply to Doug at dmashinno@hawaiiSchoolsFCU.org since he's not on the list. Bruce I made the mistake in 2001 of passing-up my gut need to buy a Range Rover and instead bought an Infiniti. I'm now in the market for a Range Rover, and was wondering about several things that I think only diehard owners can answer; I'll keep it brief: 1. I'm picky about my cars and fanatical about caring for it: are Rovers really able to withstand so much so that I won't have huge issues with rattling, workmanship, and the like? and 2. Would I be able to expect the same workmanship across the board, from the Range Rover, down to Freelander? Any help you can provide would be great. Thanks, Doug Mashino From bens Sat Dec 21 19:52:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBM0qjQ31842 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 19:52:45 -0500 Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 19:52:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200212220052.gBM0qj131838@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Land Rover Aerodynamics Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have always wondered what the drag coefficient of various Land Rovers was and during a debate about style vs. drag on the BMW list (including a great quote from Enzo Ferrari who is reported to have said "car companies that worry less about drag and more about building powerful engines") When Shannon wrote: >110 gets 11.5 mpg at 75mph and 15mpg at 70 mph. >Aerodynamics of a bread truck? It reminded me to post a great link with info on aerodynamics. I didn't click every link, but it looks like only the Hummer has worse aerodynamics than the D110. http://www.teknett.com/pwp/drmayf/tbls.htm Kevin From bens Sat Dec 21 20:41:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBM1f4532091 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 20:41:04 -0500 Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 20:41:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200212220141.gBM1f3O32087@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: APRS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Shannon wrote: > With today's ham radios it's very easy. Several of the > newer radios (well newer when I was looking a couple > of years ago) do APRS directly. I'm using the kenwood > D700. So, all you need to do is get a technician > ham license (it's easy to get), get an aprs radio (or a > packet radio plus pc and aprs software), attach a gps >to the radio and it does all the rest. I was listening to a computer show on c/net radio while driving to the gym this morning and a guy called in with a problem connecting his gps and cell phone to his laptop at the same time in the car so he could do aprs. The radio guys said "wow you are even more of a geek than we are". I've got 33 names and call signs on my "Mendo Ham" list and if would be cool if we had more people using aprs. I'm going to buy a pocket PC early next year and I would like to get one that I could plug in to a GPS and view maps on. Kevin Kelly KF6 BEV From bens Sun Dec 22 00:02:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBM52WW00761 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 00:02:32 -0500 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 00:02:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200212220502.gBM52Wp00757@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: Land Rover Aerodynamics Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kevin wrote: > It reminded me to post a great link with info on aerodynamics. I didn't > click every link, but it looks like only the Hummer has worse aerodynamics > than the D110. Not the way I read it. The 110 has a higher Cd and higher Cd x frontal area than the Hummer. Range Rover's numbers are better than the Hummer's (and that's the old brick-shaped RR Classic, too). I found interesting that the sleeker-looking TLC has the same drag number as the old RR and a poorer one when frontal area is figured in. Granny From bens Sun Dec 22 00:10:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBM5AJ101331 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 00:10:19 -0500 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 00:10:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200212220510.gBM5AIh01327@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Land Rover Aerodynamics Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ugh, Makes me think my crewcab's gonna have a .990 or something like that. 15mpg??? I wish! Michael (w/huge frontal area) >From: "Granville Pool" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: >Subject: Re: Land Rover Aerodynamics Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 00:02:32 -0500 > >Kevin wrote: > > > It reminded me to post a great link with info on aerodynamics. I didn't > > click every link, but it looks like only the Hummer has worse [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_virusprotection_3mf From bens Sun Dec 22 01:26:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBM6QHI02334 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 01:26:17 -0500 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 01:26:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200212220626.gBM6QH202330@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "lindab" To: Subject: Mojave Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 21 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" Boo hoo! Looks like Casey and I won't make it to Mojave after all...the = Dormie isn't going along with our plans and refuses to run at the = moment--something to do with the fuel system, possibly. Hope everyone = has a great time, and we'll see you on the next trip for sure! Linda and Casey From bens Sun Dec 22 12:20:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBMHKg605528 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 12:20:42 -0500 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 12:20:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200212221720.gBMHKf205524@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/enriched; ] [ 57 lines filtered. ] --Apple-Mail-6--6531322 charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed It's a week til Mojave, no need to cancel yet! Also, Does anyone who's going to the Mojave have an extra handheld CB? Thanks, On Saturday, December 21, 2002, at 10:26 PM, lindab wrote: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; ] > [ 21 lines filtered. ] > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Boo hoo! Looks like Casey and I won't make it to Mojave after > all...the = [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem --Apple-Mail-6--6531322 From bens Sun Dec 22 15:20:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBMKKOn06380 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:20:24 -0500 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:20:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200212222020.gBMKKOI06376@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bob Frey" To: Subject: Tires and wheels for sale with complete accessories Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org BFG MT 235/85-16 mounted and balanced $1800. Price includes various accessories necessary for the use of the above.... axles with Macnamara diff and ARB lockers, 1960 series II frame, body, engine, transmission... running and assembled for use in demonstrating the tires.... Seriously, This is Matt Francis's "roll over rover" from Mendo a few years back. Matt never came through with the title and I'm too busy to deal with the salvage title route. Is there someone on the list who wants to come and get it out of my garage? Bob Frey bfrey@alamedanet.net From bens Sun Dec 22 15:46:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBMKkk606498 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:46:46 -0500 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:46:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200212222046.gBMKkjE06494@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Rich Lee To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Seeking input on Northwes Parts / Andy Nix Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi All, At my wife’s insistence (the “CFO” in our house) I am seeking input (not opinion) on actual experience in dealing with Andy Nix / Northwest Parts. I have found Andy to be helpful, honest and responsible and have no reason to doubt the integrity of his company. I want to give him some business and to see his company succeed. I am about to send him a large cashier's check for some things are are not readily available from other vendors on this site. I have had no problems from any of them, and I will continue to buy from them as well. These vendors include E.E., DAP, B.P., A.B., R.N., G.B.R., Susquehanna, Discount Rovers and Rover Connection . It's just that Andy seems to have the best line on what I need, at the best price for these particular Items. The reason I am sending him the equivalent of cash is to expedite his shipment and eliminate the “transaction” fees that are charged by Visa, Pay Pal, etc......which is why his price is so low. When I started a small automotive tuning & performance company to finance my medical education, I also had to operate in this “minimal overhead” mode until it was well established. As such, I appreciated and maintained the trust who paid me in advance for parts. If medical economics keeps going the way it has, I may be forced to go back into this line of work. Anyway, to satisfy “the board” at our house, I would like to hear accurate information on dealing with him. I repeat, I have no reason to doubt Andy and his company and my experience with him so far has been very favorable. I regret asking for opinions on his company in a public forum, and ask that any unfavorable comments about him personally or any embarrassing stories about his early off-road adventures be withheld from this discussion. I am asking only about his business practice, because I have been “compelled” to do so. Thanks for your timely (and hopefully favorable) input. Rich Lee PS. you may e-mail me privately if you prefer From bens Sun Dec 22 15:49:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBMKnpG06514 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:49:51 -0500 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:49:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200212222049.gBMKnoW06510@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Rich Lee To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RRC Tires for Philip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Philip, How are you? First, "what are your intentions with the rangie? How much paved & how much dirt? & is your Rangie lifted? / stock coil springs? / Air Spring? John Brabyn's site has a lot of useful info on tires for a classic Rangie. Assuming you have a stock 3.9l RRC, here are my observations / preferences, depending upon intended use. Don't bother with the OEM 205/80-16 size it is too hard to find replacements and many other sizes will fit just fine with better selection / price / availability. I. Stock Diameter 29" A. 235/70-16 These are wider but fit with no m ods other than maybe adjusting your steering stops. 1. OEM "Rover spec" tires: a. Michelin 4x4 XPC ....Still available at Tire Rack at "closeout" price of $135 each. Excellent all-round tire (except mud) with good road handling traits, HR speed rated. I am running my "last set" of these now on our 91 classic Rangie and the cornering is much better than the same tire in 205/80-16. However, when these wear out, I'm gonna go to a set of Pirell Pirelli Scorpion ATs or Yokohama Geolander AT Plus IIs (see below). b. Pirelli Scorpion ST. OEM on many RR 4.0s. Street/sport tire with good off-road performance. Best for non-mud, mostly street use. $84 -$89 HR speed rated. 2.. Good "All-Terrain" alternatives: a. Yokohama Geolander AT Plus II. Biased more towards rain/snow/mud with nice ride and tread pattern, $75 ea. We are running them on our D2 and are quite pleased with them so far (4000 miles) $75 ea. b. Pirelli Scorpion AT... More all-terrain in nature good all-round tire. Many satisfied Rover owners. 235/70-16 size is HR speed rated ( ST innards, perhaps?) $92 ea. c. BFG AT "KO". Well-liked by those who have them, but expensive at $139 each and only QR speed rated (99 mph). 3. Dedicated "Mud Tires" a. Dunlop Radial Mud Rover. Cheapest or the mudders. Reported ti be sticky on rocks & pavement, fur in mud, sucky in snow. Around $100 ea. b. BFG Mud MT "KM" Well-liked by those who have them, but expensive at $149 ea. B. 255/65-16 "Street-Sport" size. Should fit a stock RRC (they do on a stock Disco 1), but not very practical off road and forget about chains. 1. OEM "Rover spec" tires (see comments above) a. Michelin 4x4 XPC ....Still available at Tire Rack at "closeout" price of $165 each. The only "All-Terrain" tire in this size. b. Pirelli Scorpion ST. $119 ea. c. Goodyear Wrangler HP. OEM on many D2's. Good on road, but noisy and prone to "cupping" (I agree) $135 ea. 2. Alternative Street-Biased tires. a. Goodyear Fortera HL Edition, supposed to be the "better quality" replacement for the Wrangler HP, $129 ea. b Dunlop Grandtrek TG-35. OEM tire on the Mercedes ML 320 and seldom liked, but "cheap" at $65-89 ea. II 29.5" Tires. Will fit a stock RRC without Mods. A. 225/75-16 A good "all-round" size. Usually less expensive, fits with chains and many options available. 1. OEM "Rover spec" tires (see comments above) a. Pirelli Scorpion ST. I don't know why you would go skinnier with this "phat" sport tire, $90 ea. 2.. Good "All-Terrain" alternatives (see comments above): a. Yokohama Geolander AT Plus II. $85 ea. b. Pirelli Scorpion AT. $89 ea. c. BFG AT "KO". $129 ea. 3. Exceptional "Mud AND Snow" tires. This is usually an oxymoron, but these tires have a good reputation of doing well in both conditions. They are often sold as "commercial grade" off-road tires and are well-liked in the rover community. HOWEVER they seem to becoming more rare and many are being discontinued by their tire companies. They are probably the best compromise for all-round tires on a RRC that deliberately goes off-road. a. Dunlop Radial Rover RT. One of the favorites in the Rover community (even has the right name). They are my favorites and have exceeded all my expectations. They are also RMA listed as "severe" winter tires. and are studdable $91 ea. b. BFG Trac-Edge. Another Rover favorite, with similar comments. Reputed to be discontinued in the US. Price and availability unknown. c. Cooper Discoverer CTD. Same comments as above, also reputed to be discontinued . Price and availability unknown. 4. Dedicated "Mud Tires" (see comments above) a. Dunlop Radial Mud Rover. $100 ea. b. Bridgestone Dueler MT. Viewed by some to equal the BFG MT in mud and quieter on road, $105 ea. c. Goodyear MTR. Often rated as better than the BFG MT on mud, pavement and snow. "Very sticky" on rocks, $123 ea. b. BFG Mud MT "KM" $137 ea. B. 245/70-16 Also fits a stock RRC. Considered a good size if you want wider tires biased towards pavement / rock / sand and less mud/snow. May not fit chains. 1.. Good "All-Terrain" tires (see comments above): a. Pirelli Scorpion AT. $94 ea. b. BFG AT "KO". $145 ea. III. 30.5" Tires. These are the largest diameter you can fit on a stock RRC and give you at least 3/4" more clearance. A. 215/85-16 This is probably the best size for a STOCK RRC that sees as much off-road as possible. All brands will fit, some with chains and they weigh less, so they don't affect braking/acceleration as much. They will not handle as well on-road, but their "skinny" profile works very well in mud & snow. 1.. Good "All-Terrain" tires (see comments above): a. Yokohama Geolander AT Plus II, $85 ea. 2 .Exceptional "Mud AND Snow" tires. a. Dunlop Radial Rover RT, $95 ea. b. BFG Trac-Edge, price and availability unknown. c. Cooper Discoverer CTD, price and availability unknown. B. 245/75-16 Many tires are available in this size, but not all will fit a stock RRC. Lifting and trimming are usually required to get full suspension travel out of these tires. I would not recommend them unless you do these modifications. They will also affect braking, acceleration and gas mileage more. ------ Forwarded Message Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 11:23:19 -0800 From: Leslie Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Tires for the Rangie 94' SWB Hi this is Philip (the Dows Eldest), Anywho the Rangie is in the market for some new tires and I hit TireRack.com for the latest selection. Well the least to say I was put down by the fact that they coould only recomend the Michelin 4X4 Synchrone 205/80-16. Then I hit the BritPac site and they suggested that the largest size without major modification would be the 225/75-16, I did a search for those on tire rack and found many possibilities. Does anybody have any thoughts as to the Pro's and Con's of installing installing these larger tires? Or has anybody had any experiences or good places to obtain new tires in the BayArea?? Thanks Philip - ------- End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------ From bens Sun Dec 22 16:22:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBMLMUf06709 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:22:30 -0500 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:22:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200212222122.gBMLMUW06705@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: RE: Seeking input on Northwes Parts / Andy Nix Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 69 lines filtered. ] I have no input on Andy, but won't let that stop me from posting my advice! Have you considered using a vehicle like Paypal for the transfer of funds? They will take a small %, but then you can use your credit card. I've found a number of small suppliers/vendors are using Paypal because of ease/convenience. I've been burned before sending a large check to a company that had a good track record, but closed up shop soon after receiving my $$$. I take pains to avoid that mistake again. Good judgement comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgement. - Will Rogers From bens Sun Dec 22 20:06:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBN16F707638 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 20:06:15 -0500 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 20:06:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200212230106.gBN16F807634@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Eric Wilcox To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Jack-all Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Does anyone know of the manufacturer's web site for the the Jack-All (not the hi-lift)? I have done multiple searches and can't seem to track them down. I believe they are based in the UK. Thanks in advance. Eric Wilcox Jerry the 110 From bens Sun Dec 22 20:38:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBN1cFt07761 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 20:38:15 -0500 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 20:38:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200212230138.gBN1cFW07757@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Jack-all Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Eric, I *think* that Jack-All is a Canadian company. TeriAnn probably would know. Michael _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_smartspamprotection_3mf From bens Sun Dec 22 22:29:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBN3TpW08215 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 22:29:51 -0500 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 22:29:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200212230329.gBN3Tpf08211@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Wheelworks Story Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org OK, so I should have known better, BUT..... I needed new tyres for Guildenstern. The reasons for this were multiple tie rod incidents and me being quite worthy of the Lazy Bugger badge on the back of G. So, I called Wheelworks in Mountain View, arranged for a set of 235/85R16 BFG MTs to be there on Friday, and since they do aligments, and my driveway was v. wet, I arranged for them to install the new tie rod & gizmo to hold it in place, and do an aligment. Leslie followed me to the shop on Friday morning. I dropped off the parts and made sure they'd give me the hi-lift handle that was on the tie rod (like I said--Lazy Bugger). They called me in the afternoon and I sent Leslie over to get the truck. I had asked for the two good CTDs to be placed in the back with the jack handle. Leslie checked, and the tyres were there, but the handle was nowhere to be seen. She talked to the shop manager, and he called over the mechanics. They insisted it was there, and proceeded to point unter the front of the 110. Sure enough, there was the old jack handle on the new tie rod threaded through the keeper gizmo. A good laugh was had, and the manager told Leslie that I could bring the truck back for an aligment after I got the handle off. Well, I didn't want to take the handle off, because my driveway was still wet. So, I drove over to Wheelworks and asked them to take the tie rod off. I got the truck back later and all seemed well. This morning, I was taking some friends to SJC and as I hit about 70MPH, the truck was all over the road. My guess is that they didn't do an aligment when they took off the handle. So, tomorrow, I'll get out the aluminum meter sticks and see if the wheels are aligned. Like I said, I should have known better. C From bens Sun Dec 22 22:31:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBN3VCR08247 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 22:31:12 -0500 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 22:31:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200212230331.gBN3VCx08243@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: NLA Cooper CTDs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have two Cooper CTDs that are in v. decent shape (> 0.5" tread), with some wear on the outer edges from G's trip through the Rubicon. They are free to the first person who claims them and shows up to my house to get them. C From bens Sun Dec 22 22:38:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBN3c0K08289 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 22:38:00 -0500 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 22:38:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200212230338.gBN3c0P08285@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Jack-all Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was curious and did a quick search without luck. Like Mike said, they are a Canadian company and their products can be found in any hardware store and many department stores (like Canadian Tire) in Canada. I noticed that their US distributor has contacts with Costco - perhaps you could see if they/Costco would order them. Frank ------------------------ Eric Wilcox wrote: >Does anyone know of the manufacturer's web site for the the Jack-All (not the hi-lift)? I have done multiple searches and can't seem to track them down. I believe they are based in the UK. > From bens Sun Dec 22 22:55:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBN3tRR08372 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 22:55:27 -0500 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 22:55:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200212230355.gBN3tRC08368@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Sun, 22 Dec 2002, John Hess wrote: > Also, Does anyone who's going to the Mojave have an extra handheld CB? Sort of. I have one that has an external antenna, and that you plug into a cigarette lighter. There is no separate handheld mike like your normal CB. Will that do? From bens Sun Dec 22 22:57:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBN3v9008390 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 22:57:09 -0500 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 22:57:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200212230357.gBN3v9t08386@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Today while claning, I found a toyota brochure ca 1995 that listed several off-higway family adventures, amoung them the Mojave Road. It said the road originally started at Prescott AZ, and ran all the way to LA. ANyone know what route the Arizona portion took? From bens Mon Dec 23 00:10:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBN5AIK09358 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 00:10:18 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 00:10:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200212230510.gBN5AIC09354@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/enriched; ] [ 51 lines filtered. ] --Apple-Mail-4-36046858 charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Thanks but I am not sure I want to deal with an external antenna. Do I need one to keep in touch on the trail? I happy to drive along in silence and stop when folks stop. I do plan to go HAM but well, uhm, being a lazy bugger... On Sunday, December 22, 2002, at 07:55 PM, James Howard wrote: > > On Sun, 22 Dec 2002, John Hess wrote: > >> Also, Does anyone who's going to the Mojave have an extra handheld CB? > > Sort of. I have one that has an external antenna, and that you plug > into > a cigarette lighter. There is no separate handheld mike like your > normal [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem --Apple-Mail-4-36046858 From bens Mon Dec 23 00:13:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBN5Drl09387 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 00:13:53 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 00:13:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200212230513.gBN5Dra09383@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Rick Larson" To: Subject: RE: Mojave hams Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 15 lines filtered. ] It doesn't look like I'll be attending. Forced shutdown over Christmas is putting to much pressure on me to be around work over the whole New Years week. Hope everyone has a good time. -Rick From bens Mon Dec 23 01:41:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBN6f1810403 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 01:41:01 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 01:41:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200212230641.gBN6f0e10399@minbar.fourfold.org> From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Jack-all Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Eric, I just did a search for "Jack-All" on Google, and found them for sale on this UK website: http://www.theride.com/4147000.html Craig "Franklin H. Yap" wrote: > I was curious and did a quick search without luck. Like Mike said, they > are a Canadian company and their products can be found in any hardware > store and many department stores (like Canadian Tire) in Canada. I > noticed that their US distributor has contacts with Costco - perhaps you > could see if they/Costco would order them. > > Frank > > ------------------------ [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Dec 23 01:53:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBN6rF110508 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 01:53:15 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 01:53:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200212230653.gBN6rFS10504@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Jack-all Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I think he is looking for the manu website. Overseas shipping for a domestic made (well, some in the US consider Canada the 51st state) would be cost-prohibitive. The distributer for Jack-all can be found at http://www.supplierpipeline.com/distributor.asp Perhaps you can contact the distributor listed to see if there are any local sellers. (And get Costco to sell them?) Frank ---------------------------- craig reece wrote: >Eric, > >I just did a search for "Jack-All" on Google, and found them for sale on this UK website: > From bens Mon Dec 23 02:38:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBN7cRW10668 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 02:38:27 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 02:38:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200212230738.gBN7cQV10664@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: RE: Jack-all Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 35 lines filtered. ] You can also order them from roversnorth for $69.50 each From bens Mon Dec 23 05:27:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBNARKg11720 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 05:27:20 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 05:27:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200212231027.gBNARJG11716@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Also, Does anyone who's going to the Mojave have an extra handheld CB? I have one. Needs batteries. Should I bring it?? TeriAnn J. Wakeman Santa Cruz, California twakeman@cruzers.com http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Mon Dec 23 08:59:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBNDxX112478 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 08:59:33 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 08:59:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200212231359.gBNDxX712474@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo rec list Subject: Re: Mojave Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Also, Does anyone who's going to the Mojave have an extra handheld CB? I have one. Needs batteries. Should I bring it?? TeriAnn J. Wakeman Santa Cruz, California twakeman@cruzers.com http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 TeriAnn J. Wakeman Santa Cruz, California twakeman@cruzers.com http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Mon Dec 23 11:54:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBNGso014120 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:54:50 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:54:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200212231654.gBNGson14116@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org An open invitation: If anyone passing through Vegas on the way to the Mojave trip would like a place to crash for the night instead of camping, or if they need to make last minute repairs, whatever... Give us a call at my house. 702-395-8144 So far we have: Ed and Merideth Sanman (arriving late on the 28th) Me Potentials: Paul Archibald Charles Irvin Ali Ashfaq (from the RRO list, he ought to be a Mendo-ite) We have room to put up 6 people in beds, and lots of floor space with the oh-so-plush upgraded carpet (don't let the name fool 'ya). Anyway, the offer is open... Later Michael (hopes he can get his s*&t together in time) _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_stopmorespam_3mf From bens Mon Dec 23 12:22:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBNHMfC14269 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:22:41 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:22:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200212231722.gBNHMfO14265@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Okay. I will bring it anyway in case someone else wants it. It takes up hardly any space. I have used it with the magnetic base of the antenna stuck to the spare wheel on the bonnet of my old SIII. John Hess wrote: > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/enriched; ] > [ 51 lines filtered. ] > > --Apple-Mail-4-36046858 > charset=US-ASCII; > format=flowed > > Thanks but I am not sure I want to deal with an external antenna. Do I [ 29 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- James Howard Naval Research Lab Code 7215, NPOI Project RR14, Box 447 Lake Mary Road Flagstaff, AZ 86001 +1-928-773-4868 (voice) +1-928-779-9568 (fax) James.Howard@nrl.navy.mil -or- jhoward@sextans.lowell.edu From bens Mon Dec 23 14:08:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBNJ8jD14979 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:08:45 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:08:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200212231908.gBNJ8jc14975@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Isaac Fain To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Jack-all Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org if you're buying new, i can often find maasdam's 8K tiger jack (equiv. to the jack-all) for $49 at industrial supply stores here in the seattle area. they also make the jack-mate http://www.maasdam.com/new/ http://www.maasdam.com/jackmate/ cheers, isaac / seattle --- Jon Turner wrote: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ Included Original Message ] > [ 35 lines filtered. ] > You can also order them from roversnorth for $69.50 each > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Mon Dec 23 14:47:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBNJlkK15248 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:47:46 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:47:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200212231947.gBNJlj815244@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Wheelworks Story Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Christopher Dow wrote: >OK, so I should have known better, BUT..... > [Tie rod jack handle story deleted] >Like I said, I should have known better. > > %$#@! I went out this morning and measured the inside of the front rims in front of and behind the axle. 1341mm in front, 1344mm in back. WAY too much toe-in (should be zero to 8 minutes toe out). I called Wheelworks, told them my story about the truck's handling and my measurements, and they told me to bring it in for a check. As soon as it was up on the rack I saw the problem: the tie rod was buggered again! It was mashed up against the keeper it runs through, and had a very visible bend in it. I have no earthly idea how that could have happened in 26 miles of paved roads. I wonder if they buggered it getting the jack handle off? I have heard such good things about Wheelworks, so I'm reticent to condemn them, but this has been a v. bad experience. I called LRRC to get a tie rod ($68) but they didn't have one in stock. So, I called LRSJ to see if they had one. They didn't, and the price was $188. Both prices quoted without ends. So, I called BP, and there is a rod and two ends on their way to me for less than the LRSJ price. I had intended to take the trailer over to a shop in Fremont to have the brakes inspected today, but not with a bad aligment. Sigh. C PS - Jeff Rogers, will you send me the info for Fabitron again? I've lost it. (<- interpret that however you will :-) From bens Mon Dec 23 15:29:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBNKTfI15612 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:29:41 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:29:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200212232029.gBNKTfu15608@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Road "online" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Matt W wrote: > Hi Joe, > > I'll search for his web site, later tonight. how about Lat Lon coordinates > for the meeting point. Does anyone have them? I think it would be cool to > play with my new GPS/toy. Ben put several cooridinates on this page once upon a time: http://www.off-road.com/RoverWeb/MojaveRoad.html From bens Mon Dec 23 16:03:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBNL3cF15900 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 16:03:38 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 16:03:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200212232103.gBNL3bJ15896@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: RE: Wheelworks Story Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 49 lines filtered. ] Chris - you should be buying those tie rods in bulk, a bet you could have got quite a quantity discount by now! Seriously, sorry to hear of the setback. I've had a lot of things to work on with my 110 (ignition pickup is the latest) but not that so far! Jon From bens Mon Dec 23 19:13:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBO0Drd17125 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:13:53 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:13:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200212240013.gBO0Dr317121@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Eric Wilcox To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Jack-All Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks to all for comments about the Jack-All (I am in digest mode). Should've explained - the reason I am looking for the manufacturer's site is to see if they have owner's manuals via download on their site (like Hi-Lift does). I own a Jack-All, but don't have any of their reference materials, parts lists, etc. Thanks, Eric Wilcox Jerry the 110 From bens Mon Dec 23 20:29:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBO1Tx117492 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 20:29:59 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 20:29:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200212240129.gBO1TwE17488@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: Thanks for suggestions re: 110 - an update and new questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I wanted to thank everyone for the excellent input regarding the problems I posted about shortly ago with the 110 occasionally stalling at low RPMs and occasionally stuttering at speed. All the postings were helpful and enlightening. What I found was this - the problem has cured itself, or so it seems. The cause of the cure seems to be related to one of two things (one of which means I'm not done with this problem yet). The last day it rained heavily (about a week ago or so) after driving around and still having the problem, I pulled off all the spark plug wires, inspected them, and insured they were refitted properly and tightly. The problem has not occurred since. Ironically, there has also been no more rain since that day either so the problem could be related to the weather (wetness) and I still might need to fix something (ignition related almost 100% if so). Either that or my simple checking of the spark plug wires was the key! I will keep everyone posted on this one, should the problem arise again. btw, if the spark plug wires are/were indeed the cure, I guess Blair and Chris owe us a dinner? ;) Now to the latest questions. There's been an increasingly loud rattle coming from the truck that we narrowed down to the exhaust system. Originally I thought it was simply loose pipes but when I was checking them today I found the real cause of the rattle noise - a loosely hanging muffler heat shield. No real worries about that, but my question is, must I replace the heat shield? I assume it's there for a good reason, but is it something that one shouldn't drive around without? Last question, at the rear of the 110, drivers side interior, behind the rear speaker panel, does any one have an idea which color wire is live/hot? I can't seem to figure it out, my electrical skills being lower than any other set of skills I have. I'm in the process of trying to find a live wire to tap into for the placement of a rear power adapter for various accessories. Thanks in advance!! jpipes From bens Mon Dec 23 21:15:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBO2FMN17703 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 21:15:22 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 21:15:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200212240215.gBO2FM817699@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: NLA Cooper CTDs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org These wouldn't possibly have uneven wear because of faulty alignment would they? You really should keep an eye on that. :-) BB Christopher Dow wrote: > I have two Cooper CTDs that are in v. decent shape (> 0.5" tread), with > some wear on the outer edges from G's trip through the Rubicon. From bens Mon Dec 23 22:10:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBO3AV117945 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:10:31 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:10:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200212240310.gBO3AVO17941@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: RE: Thanks for suggestions re: 110 - an update and new questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 55 lines filtered. ] Hey Jason - glad you are back and running! I would highly recommend running a separate wire from the battery or fuse panel - it's not that difficult and you won't have to worry about pulling more power through a wire than it was designed for. Be happy to help you do it. I actually put a little fuse block under the seat next to the battery just for hooking up accessories (ARB, ham radio, CB, etc). Take care, Jon From bens Mon Dec 23 22:31:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBO3VNH18058 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:31:23 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:31:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200212240331.gBO3VN918054@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Matt W" To: Subject: Re: Mojave Road "online" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks James, I have printed out the trip report and will bring it with me. I'm still a little confused about exactly were we are meeting, but since its not a rally I'm not to worried. My plan is to be at the point were the Mojave road crosses hwy 95 at 9:00 AM on Monday the 30th. Correct? Also there is one more addition to the Santa Barbara contingent, my 90lb chocolate lab "Mocha" will be riding in style on top of the camping gear... not the brightest dog but she's loyal (as long as I have food) This is the first time I have taken her camping with me. Terri Anne do you have any tips to share about dog travel? Matt W ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Howard" To: Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 12:29 PM Subject: Re: Mojave Road "online" > > > Matt W wrote: > > Hi Joe, > > > > I'll search for his web site, later tonight. how about Lat Lon coordinates > > for the meeting point. Does anyone have them? I think it would be cool to > > play with my new GPS/toy. > > Ben put several cooridinates on this page once upon a time: > http://www.off-road.com/RoverWeb/MojaveRoad.html > > From bens Tue Dec 24 00:05:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBO55LH18618 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 00:05:21 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 00:05:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200212240505.gBO55Kh18614@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Thanks for suggestions re: 110 - an update and new questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason, I have the same rattle from the exhaust from the LWB. I think it's probably loose material in the Catalytic Converter banging around in there. Sometimes it's really loud all the time, other times it's just kind of there. Someone one time said they put a bunch of 3 inch sheet metal screws through theres to try to hold the stuff in place. Apparently it worked??? I haven't tried it yet. Michael _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_stopmorespam_3mf From bens Tue Dec 24 00:10:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBO5AVL19170 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 00:10:31 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 00:10:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200212240510.gBO5AV719166@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Road "online" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/enriched; ] [ 43 lines filtered. ] --Apple-Mail-2-122459924 charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Be a good neighbor. Keep your dog around you, keep it quiet and pick up the poops. Travel: give you dog a good amount of exercise the day before a car trip, then you and he/she should take breaks to stretch. If you're thirsty, the dog is too. I might have a little brown co-dependent dog with me. > This is the first time I have taken her camping with me. Terri Anne > do you > have any tips to share about dog travel? > > Matt W John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem --Apple-Mail-2-122459924 From bens Tue Dec 24 00:41:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBO5fDc19980 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 00:41:13 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 00:41:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200212240541.gBO5fDd19976@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: RE: Thanks for suggestions re: 110 - an update and new questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 32 lines filtered. ] Actually Michael, I mentioned I already know what the cause of the rattle was - a broken muffler heat shield! ;) My question was actually if the heat shield a "must have item" or a "replace it when you get around to it" item. Thanks for your input!! jpipes From bens Tue Dec 24 00:45:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBO5jnb20036 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 00:45:49 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 00:45:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200212240545.gBO5jn520032@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Thanks for suggestions re: 110 - an update and new questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...Just out of curiosity - think that rattle could actually be pinging from advanced (too much) timing??? Speaking of sputtering/stalling, my Rangie has developed a severe case of this in the last few days: I replaced the cap & rotor (there were obvious signs of tracking inside the cap!), and it seemed to be cured. That was yesterday...I drove it this evening, and it began to do it again. Both times it happened, the temperature gauge began to rise. (it's a definate misfire) Am thinking about replacing plug wires, but I dunno...it makes me wonder if the fuel pump is about to crap out... Charles On Tue, 24 Dec 2002 00:05:20 -0500 "Polla Slade" writes: > > Jason, > > I have the same rattle from the exhaust from the LWB. I think it's > probably > loose material in the Catalytic Converter banging around in there. > > Sometimes it's really loud all the time, other times it's just kind > of [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI= 7474&SU= > > http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_stopmore spam_3mf > > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Tue Dec 24 01:33:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBO6XD320204 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 01:33:13 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 01:33:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200212240633.gBO6XDh20200@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Thanks for suggestions re: 110 - an update and new questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Tue, 24 Dec 2002, Jason Pipes wrote: > Actually Michael, I mentioned I already know what the cause of the rattle > was - a broken muffler heat shield! ;) My question was actually if the heat > shield a "must have item" or a "replace it when you get around to it" item. In the winter it is probably a wait until you have time item. In the summer, it depends on where it is. There are heat sheilds that protect wiring and such, which should be there. There are other that just keep the passenger compartment cooler, in which case it is just inconvenient. From bens Tue Dec 24 01:33:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBO6XZC20219 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 01:33:35 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 01:33:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200212240633.gBO6XYp20215@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: NLA Cooper CTDs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bruce R. Bonar wrote: >These wouldn't possibly have uneven wear because of faulty alignment would >they? You really should keep an eye on that. :-) > > No :-). I tossed two due to that, and one for a gash in the sidewall. C From bens Tue Dec 24 01:37:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBO6b6e20248 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 01:37:06 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 01:37:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200212240637.gBO6b6d20244@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. east bay to Mohave? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I made the trip to Socal Sunday eve. For anyone else heading down from Norcal, DO stop at the I5 / hwy 58 intersection. There you'll have your choice of fuel stations selling in the mid 1.30s range. One station had reg unleaded for 1.25 cash / 1.31 credit. Also, the truck stop general store has external PA speakers for $12.99. Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Cotati, CA __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Tue Dec 24 01:46:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBO6kn420300 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 01:46:49 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 01:46:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200212240646.gBO6knG20296@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Meltdown before Mojave... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Interesting week: The Rangie is sick, the Janetmobile seems to be suffering from a broken engine mount, and meanwhile, somebody broke into Janet's shop last night! The 109's were unscathed, but apparently, the culprit/culprits smashed their way through a stucco wall, then used a drill to remove a panel to gain access from her warehouse, into the store area. The total that was taken - $300. All tools were left behind. Tonight, Janet's sitting there, waiting to see if they return - with suprises for them if they do! Perhaps tomorrow night I'll sit there with my M590 & my favorite baseball bat...(I don't want to kill them - I just want to get any I.D. they may be carrying, so that I can make future visits to them at home) Anyway - BOTH Janet and I will be at Mojave, as it turns out, and she won't have another engagement to keep afterall. Charles ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Tue Dec 24 01:51:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBO6pwX20336 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 01:51:58 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 01:51:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200212240651.gBO6pwO20332@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Road "online" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Mon, 23 Dec 2002, Matt W wrote: > I'm still a little confused about exactly were we are meeting, but since its > not a rally I'm not to worried. My plan is to be at the point were the > Mojave road crosses hwy 95 at 9:00 AM on Monday the 30th. Correct? That is where I thought we were meeting at first, but we are actually meeting several miles to the east where a parallel road crosses. Check out where the red crosshair is on this map: http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=11&n=3881100&e=712008&s=25 and here too http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=11&n=3881099&e=712008&s=200 From bens Tue Dec 24 03:26:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBO8QMS20914 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 03:26:22 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 03:26:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200212240826.gBO8QM120910@minbar.fourfold.org> From: charles phu To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: insurance for a series truck Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 13 lines filtered. ] Hi there, I am trying to get an insurance policy for my 1967 109. I've been trying several on-line quotes but they came back either with saying my vehicle is too old for them or, saying by two classic insurers thet they don't underwrite utility (or SUV) type vehicles. Any suggestions, either regular insurance or classic auto policy would be fine? Thanks a lot. Happy Holidays. Charles Phu 1967 SIIA 109 SW 1999 Discovery Series II --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now From bens Tue Dec 24 04:09:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBO99jh21260 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 04:09:45 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 04:09:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200212240909.gBO99iT21256@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: insurance for a series truck Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- charles phu wrote: > I am trying to get an insurance policy for my 1967 109. > I've been trying several on-line quotes but they came > back either with saying my vehicle is too old for them > or, saying by two classic insurers thet they don't > underwrite utility (or SUV) type vehicles. > > Any suggestions, either regular insurance or classic auto > policy would be fine? Thanks a lot. Well, I have my Disco, the Ducati, Elgie('66 88" pick-up) the '63 midget and Joe's blue vanagon I am currently driving insured with National General for a good price, but....this time I went back to them, they will not fully cover teh older ones...just the basics, liability and unemployed(think about it) motorist.... When I asked about full coverage like on the disco and bike like they used to cover, they said to use their sister company..... Which is Progressive Insurance, so I'd say talk to them. ;-) I will when I finish al teh work I am planning for Elgie, but for now the basic is just fine. Paul __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Tue Dec 24 10:47:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBOFlZa23215 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 10:47:35 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 10:47:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200212241547.gBOFlYm23211@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Road "online" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mapquest has it as NEEDLES HWY/RIVER RD. From Needles, find River Rd and go north until you cross the NV state line. From there, it's less than a mile on your left. Cheers, Gerry > > I'm still a little confused about exactly were we are meeting, but since >its > > not a rally I'm not to worried. My plan is to be at the point were the > > Mojave road crosses hwy 95 at 9:00 AM on Monday the 30th. Correct? > >That is where I thought we were meeting at first, but we are actually >meeting several miles to the east where a parallel road crosses. >Check out where the red crosshair is on this map: > [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_smartspamprotection_3mf From bens Tue Dec 24 11:08:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBOG8E723386 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:08:14 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:08:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200212241608.gBOG8D023382@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Sad day for me Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org What a lousy Christmas present... Just heard on the local news, that Joe Strummer - co-founder of The Clash, died of an apparent heart attack yesterday, at the age of 50. Don't know if he ever owned a Land Rover, but he was English. No wonder my Rangie was acting up on me yesterday. Charles ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Tue Dec 24 11:22:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBOGM8C23452 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:22:08 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:22:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200212241622.gBOGM8E23448@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sad day for me Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/enriched; ] [ 69 lines filtered. ] --Apple-Mail-4-162755996 charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Yeah only 50. His death was noted on a bike email list (bicycle) with the subject line "phony beatlemania has bitten the dust" Kind gets the song going through your head all day. The obit in the Bee said he had a band called the Mescaleros for the past couple years and released a couple of CDs. Didn't know that. BTW, X had a reunion concert in SF just after Thanksgiving, and Soft Cell was at the Warfield. Closer to home, Jonathon Richman will be in Sacramento Jan 29. cheers, On Tuesday, December 24, 2002, at 08:08 AM, Charles R Irvin wrote: > > What a lousy Christmas present... > > Just heard on the local news, that Joe Strummer - co-founder of The > Clash, died of an apparent heart attack yesterday, at the age of 50. > Don't know if he ever owned a Land Rover, but he was English. > > No wonder my Rangie was acting up on me yesterday. > [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem --Apple-Mail-4-162755996 From bens Tue Dec 24 12:13:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBOHDTI23680 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:13:29 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:13:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200212241713.gBOHDSh23676@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Road "online" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Monday, December 23, 2002, at 07:31 PM, Matt W wrote: > I'm still a little confused about exactly were we are meeting, but > since its > not a rally I'm not to worried. My plan is to be at the point were the > Mojave road crosses hwy 95 at 9:00 AM on Monday the 30th. Correct? So far so good. I plan to spend the night before on the trial just West of the road crossing. I'll try & have breakfast dishes washed before 9 and move to the trail head to mark it for the motel folks. Since some coiler people have a hard time identifying series rigs I'll fly the flag. > Also there is one more addition to the Santa Barbara contingent, my > 90lb > chocolate lab "Mocha" will be riding in style on top of the camping > gear... > not the brightest dog but she's loyal (as long as I have food) > This is the first time I have taken her camping with me. Terri Anne > do you > have any tips to share about dog travel? Within an hour of leaving time spend some quality outside time with the dog. You want her getting a lot of excercise. The goal is getting a fresh poop and an empty bladder. Figure a dog walk every 2 to 3 hundred miles. If the dog suddenly acts restless then would be a good time for a dog walk. I have a fabric collapsable water dish (narrow, high sides) that I keep half full of water in the back when on the tarmac or at stops where the dog must stay inside. it sits inside another larger pan so slop will be contained. If you need to leave your dog in the vehicle while you are elsewhere it can get real hot real quick. A cracked window does not make it. I have a 12V electric fan that I run for those times & have multiple windows open. When on the trail I look for a morning poop. If I don't find one frequent morning stops are in order until I see one. Many times a walk with the dog before starting will get the desired result. A dog's signal for "I gotta go" may not be all that obvious to the driver. For me a trail rest stop means letting the pup out & pouring some fresh water in his container. Bring a dog bed that can be placed on the ground and a 20 foot chain as well as the leash and dog dishes. There will be times when it will be best to have the dog restrained. My puppy firmly believes everyone brings food for him and not for themselves. So come meal times I'll have to restrain mine to the chain or a leash. My worst fear is someone leaving food out on a table thinking it will be safe when in actuality they are placing it a just the right level for eating with minimal effort. Bad habits should be not forced onto others with whom you are traveling. That said, the poopster unfortunately can intimidate others just because of his size and I do no consider size to be a bad habit. His bad habit is wanting to eat everyone else's food. Other than that he minds very well and I otherwise trust him implicitly with strangers and off the leash. You will need to set your dog's level of freedom based upon how well she acts in a group trail situation. If your dog likes to play with others i'm sure mine will want to play with yours. If this happens it would be a great way to drain the energy off. Check foot pads often and bring a first aid kit that has tweezers to help extract any thorns. Everything beaks down to how well socialized the dog is, how friendly the dog is and how well she behaves. You will need to play it by ear. It will be a learning experience for the dog as well. Good trail dogs are a joy to travel with. Many dogs that are a disaster their first time out can learn to become good trail dogs. TeriAnn J. Wakeman Santa Cruz, California twakeman@cruzers.com http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Tue Dec 24 12:13:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBOHDbt23695 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:13:37 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:13:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200212241713.gBOHDbZ23691@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Road "online" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I'm still a little confused about exactly were we are meeting, but > since its > not a rally I'm not to worried. My plan is to be at the point were the > Mojave road crosses hwy 95 at 9:00 AM on Monday the 30th. Correct? I don't remember the name of the road. It is the one that goes between Needles and laughlin. the trail crosses just inside the Nevada side of the state border. I always have a hard time finding it in the dark. Fuel is expensive but usually slightly cheaper in laughlin than Needles. TeriAnn J. Wakeman Santa Cruz, California twakeman@cruzers.com http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Tue Dec 24 12:17:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBOHHAB23729 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:17:10 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:17:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200212241717.gBOHHA523725@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: insurance for a series truck Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I am trying to get an insurance policy for my 1967 109. <> > Any suggestions, either regular insurance or classic auto > policy would be fine? I'm with AAA. I only have the basics though. I suspect comprehensive would be quite expensive and require an "expert' appraisal first. As if anyone else would know better than I the cost of building a duplicate expedition rig. > TeriAnn J. Wakeman Santa Cruz, California twakeman@cruzers.com http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 TeriAnn J. Wakeman Santa Cruz, California http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman A member of the internet community since 1985. From bens Tue Dec 24 12:22:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBOHMCZ23785 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:22:12 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:22:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200212241722.gBOHMBW23781@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sad day for me Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles R Irvin wrote: >What a lousy Christmas present... > >Just heard on the local news, that Joe Strummer - co-founder of The >Clash, died of an apparent heart attack yesterday, at the age of 50. >Don't know if he ever owned a Land Rover, but he was English. > > That is sad new, indeed. I was nearly suspended from a parochial high school I attended for wearing a red star Clash pin. C From bens Tue Dec 24 12:28:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBOHSF623814 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:28:15 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:28:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200212241728.gBOHSEH23810@minbar.fourfold.org> From: charles phu To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: insurance for a series truck Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 5 lines filtered. ] Thanks Paul. Mmm, maybe I should keep trying between different companies; there should be something available out there:) Charles Fu --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now From bens Tue Dec 24 14:21:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBOJLW224337 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 14:21:32 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 14:21:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200212241921.gBOJLVF24333@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Road "online" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > > Fuel is expensive but usually slightly cheaper in laughlin than Needles. > And usually significantly cheaper just across the river in Arizona, 10 to 20 cents per gallon. On a side note, Safeway decided to put a gas station here in Flagstaff, and in a matter of three weeks the average price of gas dropped from $1.599 per gallon for 87 octane to $1.169. From bens Tue Dec 24 15:05:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBOK5CD24549 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:05:12 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:05:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200212242005.gBOK5BK24545@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "lindab" To: Subject: Re: insurance for a series truck Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, I recently insured my dormobile with State Farm, and they gave me a raised eyebrow regarding the value of it, but they covered it nonetheless. They're not cheap, but they process claims quickly and friendly-like. Linda From bens Tue Dec 24 15:19:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBOKJM924650 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:19:22 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:19:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200212242019.gBOKJMN24646@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: RE: insurance for a series truck Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 17 lines filtered. ] I insure my 110 with Allstate. I have a good and accommodating agent - it is insured for replacement value, and I have a professional appraisal on file with him. From bens Tue Dec 24 15:59:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBOKxRU24806 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:59:27 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:59:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200212242059.gBOKxR524802@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: RE: insurance for a series truck Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Wow, Jon, how do you get a professional appraisal? That sounds like a nice thing to have on file for insurance! jpipes --------------------- I insure my 110 with Allstate. I have a good and accommodating agent - it is insured for replacement value, and I have a professional appraisal on file with him. From bens Tue Dec 24 16:01:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBOL1q824856 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:01:52 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:01:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200212242101.gBOL1qU24852@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sad day for me Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Charles wrote: > > >What a lousy Christmas present... There was a show on television last night, I think it was VH1 called 25 years of punk. They dedicated the show to him. Stirling __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Tue Dec 24 18:19:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBONJvW25433 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:19:57 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:19:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200212242319.gBONJvE25429@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Wheelworks Story Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Christopher Dow wrote: >Leslie checked, and the tyres were there, but the handle was nowhere to be seen. She talked to the shop manager, and he called over the mechanics. They insisted it >was there, and proceeded to point unter the front of the 110. Sure >enough, there was the old jack handle on the new tie rod threaded >through the keeper gizmo. > 8< >[Sunday] morning, I was taking some friends to SJC and as I hit about 70MPH, >the truck was all over the road. > 8< >I went out this morning and measured the inside of the front rims in >front of and behind the axle. 1341mm in front, 1344mm in back. WAY too >much toe-in (should be zero to 8 minutes toe out). > 8< >I called Wheelworks, told them my story about the truck's handling and my measurements, and they told me to bring it in for a check. As soon as it was up on the rack I saw the problem: the tie rod was buggered again! It was mashed >up against the keeper it runs through, and had a very visible bend in >it. I have no earthly idea how that could have happened in 26 miles of >paved roads. I wonder if they buggered it getting the jack handle off? > The new tie rod & ends came today. The old rod was so buggered that when I undid the bolts holding the protector in place, it flew off like it was launched by a catapult. I checked out the tie rod, and there is no sign of an impact. It really looks like they just undid one of the tie rod ends and mangled the tie rod forcing the jack handle off! Anyway, I got the new one on, and did the alignment the good old fashioned way with to aluminium meter sticks. Took it on 101 and ran it up to 80 with no problems. So much for laser alignments and so much for Wheelworks! I'm going to try to get them to take the charge for the tie rod installment and alignment off the bill when they get back in on Thursday. C From bens Tue Dec 24 18:33:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBONX4C25502 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:33:04 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:33:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200212242333.gBONX4n25498@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: insurance for a series truck Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/enriched; ] [ 59 lines filtered. ] --Apple-Mail-2-188612734 charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Jason, check the yellow pages, or call your bank/credit union. They have lists of folks certified or approved. You could also check Hemmings, but the first thing to do is check your bank, then yellow pages. Merry Christmas, On Tuesday, December 24, 2002, at 12:59 PM, Jason Pipes wrote: > > > Wow, Jon, how do you get a professional appraisal? That sounds like a > nice > thing to have on file for insurance! > > jpipes > > --------------------- [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem --Apple-Mail-2-188612734 From bens Tue Dec 24 18:59:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBONxbe25658 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:59:37 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:59:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200212242359.gBONxbU25654@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: everybody... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Happy Christmas - or whatever it is that you're celebrating tomorrow!!!!!!!! Charles - trying not to leave anybody out ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Tue Dec 24 19:44:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBP0i8l25825 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 19:44:08 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 19:44:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200212250044.gBP0i8B25821@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org, lro@koan.team.net Subject: Website (finally) updated Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org After nearly four years without updates, I've brought my Land Rover page (http://www.thelen.org/LandRover.html) up to date. It now covers all the stuff done to the 110 & 90, as well as the recent work on the IIA (Instruments, dash, windscreen washer, etc.). Enjoy, C From bens Tue Dec 24 20:38:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBP1cO626077 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 20:38:24 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 20:38:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200212250138.gBP1cOv26073@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Website (finally) updated Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Chris, Thanks for the entertainment before Christmas Dinner! I couldn't help but go straight to your wiper section, that is what I'm working on at the moment on the crewcab. I too found the 5-spade connector a little baffling, but now I am less baffled thanks to your wonderful description. I can't wait to see if I get intermittent AND park. Maybe I'll be an OLB after all. I have an extra bracket and pad for the wiper motor if you want/need it. I ordered one from RDS after I couldn't find mine. Wouldn't you know it, the day AFTER I mounted the new one, I find the old one. *sigh* So, I now have an extra mounting bracket, that I'll probably NEVER need. I can bring it if you want me to the New Year's run (if you'll be there). Anyway, I hear the doorbell ringing, guests must be here. Gotta go! Merry Christmas to everyone! Michael >From: Christopher Dow >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org, lro@koan.team.net >Subject: Website (finally) updated >Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 19:44:08 -0500 > >After nearly four years without updates, I've brought my Land Rover page >(http://www.thelen.org/LandRover.html) up to date. It now covers all >the stuff done to the 110 & 90, as well as the recent work on the IIA [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From bens Wed Dec 25 01:44:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBP6iEs28520 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 01:44:14 -0500 Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 01:44:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200212250644.gBP6iEW28516@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tim Boorman" To: Subject: Re: everybody... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org And a Merry Christmas & a happy new year to you to, it's now 22:36, I'm drunk as a bastard and about to spend xmas day 6000 miles from home and preparing myself for xmas pizza and a bottle of red - sweet as!!!!!!! Merry Christmas fellow land rover nuts!!!! oh for the sound of a 200Tdi!!!!!!!!!! alters - tim lad - still smiling :)!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles R Irvin" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 11:59 PM Subject: everybody... From bens Wed Dec 25 09:17:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBPEHEi30650 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 09:17:14 -0500 Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 09:17:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200212251417.gBPEHD730646@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Website (finally) updated Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Tuesday, December 24, 2002, at 05:38 PM, Polla Slade wrote: > I have an extra bracket and pad for the wiper motor if you want/need > it. I > ordered one from RDS after I couldn't find mine. Wouldn't you know > it, the > day AFTER I mounted the new one, I find the old one. *sigh* Funny how that happens. I think a large percentage of my spares came about that way. I chalk it up to the innate cussidness of inanimate objects and their ability to pop into and out of a alternative universe at will. TeriAnn J. Wakeman Santa Cruz, California twakeman@cruzers.com http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Wed Dec 25 11:55:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBPGtQn31435 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 11:55:26 -0500 Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 11:55:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200212251655.gBPGtPH31431@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Leslie Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Website (finally) updated Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org so thats what he has been doing all day!!!!!!!! hmmmmmm....i see chores in Chris's future.... HAPPY HOLIDAYS ALL!! leslie Christopher Dow wrote: >After nearly four years without updates, I've brought my Land Rover page >(http://www.thelen.org/LandRover.html) up to date. It now covers all >the stuff done to the 110 & 90, as well as the recent work on the IIA >(Instruments, dash, windscreen washer, etc.). > >Enjoy, >C > > [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] - -- Leslie Dow leslie@thelen.org KG6HSG From bens Wed Dec 25 12:16:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBPHGJt31619 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 12:16:19 -0500 Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 12:16:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200212251716.gBPHGJp31615@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Matt W" To: Subject: Re: Mojave Road "online" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TeriAnn, thanks for the info I have seen the folding water dishes, I'll try to get on before Sunday. See every on Monday. Matty ----- Original Message ----- From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 9:13 AM Subject: Re: Mojave Road "online" > > > On Monday, December 23, 2002, at 07:31 PM, Matt W wrote: > > > I'm still a little confused about exactly were we are meeting, but > > since its > > not a rally I'm not to worried. My plan is to be at the point were the > > Mojave road crosses hwy 95 at 9:00 AM on Monday the 30th. Correct? > [ 83 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Dec 25 12:26:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBPHQHY31703 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 12:26:17 -0500 Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 12:26:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200212251726.gBPHQG531699@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Clash & Land Rovers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles wrote: >Just heard on the local news, that Joe Strummer - >co-founder of The Clash, died of an apparent heart >attack yesterday, at the age of 50. Don't know if he >ever owned a Land Rover, but he was English. The first time I ever rode in a Land Rover I was driving to see the Clash... It was about 20 years ago and we heard on the radio that Clash was filming a video in San Francisco so 5 of us piled in to a SII 88 that my friend Matt's Dad just bought to drive up and see them. Then Chris wrote: >That is sad new, indeed. I was nearly suspended from a >parochial high school I attended for wearing a red star >Clash pin. I was in parochial high school (Serra in San Mateo) at the same time as Chris, but we got to wear almost anything we wanted (a big change from the 70's when students at Serra wore gray flannel pants and navy blue blazers). I never got a single complaint about my Clash, Circle Jerks or Black Flag t-shirts. Kevin Kelly From bens Wed Dec 25 12:54:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBPHs6831826 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 12:54:06 -0500 Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 12:54:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200212251754.gBPHs6Y31822@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Clash & Land Rovers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I was in parochial high school (Serra in San Mateo) at > the same time as > Chris, but we got to wear almost anything we wanted (a > big change from the > 70's when students at Serra wore gray flannel pants and > navy blue blazers). > I never got a single complaint about my Clash, Circle > Jerks or Black Flag > t-shirts. So glad we had no uniforms required in public school........but do recall a couple guys being hassled for sex pistols shirts actually......and after getting a "different haircut" from the typical feathered, parted in center, hearing puuuuunkkkkkerrrrrssss! with definate derision in their voice......Santa Rosa was a rocker town still....oh well! ;-) than later on gettin hassled for being a hippie....go figure.... ;-) Paul __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Wed Dec 25 13:00:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBPI0XO31893 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 13:00:33 -0500 Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 13:00:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200212251800.gBPI0Xo31889@minbar.fourfold.org> From: charles phu To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: insurance for a series truck Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 11 lines filtered. ] Thanks to Linda, TeriAnn, Jon for your inputs. I called Geico (my insurance company), talked to different guy there then he ended up letting me covered. He also raised his eyebrows for the value of it. However, he said that he's afraid that they would very likely only cover something much lower than my claimed value if something happens. I start the policy anyway but I think I would keep trying somewhere else which would cover the value of my car. An apprasial might be needed then. Jason, there are quite a few professional apprasial companies avalable online. What you need to do is fill out the form, apply it with current photos of your vehicle which they usually require (you can either send electronical photos of mail them in), probably follow up with a call regarding your purchase value. Their charges vary but you can always get a good one. I've done some hunting on this when I was about to buy my 109. I think quite a few people of Mendo have done it, more experience than me. Merry Christmas & Happy New Year Charles lindab wrote: Charles, I recently insured my dormobile with State Farm, and they gave me a raised eyebrow regarding the value of it, but they covered it nonetheless. They're not cheap, but they process claims quickly and friendly-like. Linda --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now From bens Fri Dec 27 01:55:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBR6tGl13091 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 01:55:16 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 01:55:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200212270655.gBR6tGl13087@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Possibly a combination Mojave/Mud Run??? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Listers, Dunno if anybody is paying attention to the weather, but it looks like this year's Mojave will probably be a wet one. Guess I'll have to add a tube of silicone to the list of things to do to Gillian! (I don't think Janet would like a wet sleeping area...) :) Charles ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Fri Dec 27 09:05:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBRE5MJ15217 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 09:05:22 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 09:05:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200212271405.gBRE5LD15213@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Possibly a combination Mojave/Mud Run??? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Dunno if anybody is paying attention to the weather, but it looks like > this year's Mojave will probably be a wet one. I was wondering about that and hoping the storms were not going that far South and inland. It is a real pain to try and prepare a meal with a wolfhound between me and the stove. TeriAnn J. Wakeman Santa Cruz, California twakeman@cruzers.com http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Fri Dec 27 11:01:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBRG19Q16066 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 11:01:09 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 11:01:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200212271601.gBRG18g16062@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Randy Katz" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Mojave Weather Report Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" ] [ 73 lines filtered. ] --=====================_8474886==.ALT Actually Charles, the weather is looking pretty good. This is from WeatherCentral.com for Needles: Sunday Mostly Sunny High 59=B0 Mostly sunny. Highs in the upper 50s. Monday Mostly Sunny High 59=B0 Low 35=B0Mostly sunny. Becoming breezy. Lows in the mid 30s. Highs in the=20 upper 50s. Tuesday Rain Showers High 59=B0 Low 39=B0A slight chance of rain showers. Lows in the upper 30s. Highs in= the=20 upper 50s. New Years Day Partly Cloudy High 60=B0 Low 40=B0Partly cloudy. Lows around 40. Highs around 60. Thursday Partly Cloudy High 60=B0 Low 40=B0 Partly cloudy. Lows around 40. Highs around 60. Weather.com reports the following: Today Dec 27 Partly Cloudy 64=B0/40=B0 0% Sat Dec 28 Partly Cloudy 65=B0/44=B0 0 % Sun Dec 29 Partly Cloudy 58=B0/38=B0 0 % Mon Dec 30 Partly Cloudy 57=B0/39=B0 10 % Tue Dec 31 Partly Cloudy 57=B0/39=B0 10 % Wed Jan 01 Partly Cloudy 58=B0/39=B0 10 % Thu Jan 02 Partly Cloudy 62=B0/42=B0 10 % --=====================_8474886==.ALT From bens Fri Dec 27 11:57:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBRGvFW16507 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 11:57:15 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 11:57:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200212271657.gBRGvFd16503@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Weather Report Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Actually Charles, the weather is looking pretty good. And for Baker, it's the same only cooler. In both locations, the precipitation chance is listed at only 10%. Overnight lows in Needles were listed at 39. You can knock a few more degrees for the elevation as we move west during the first day. Last year, it sprinkled for the first day and a half. Cold and cloudy but that helped keep the dust down significantly and firmed up the sand. We didn't have any problems at all. Looking forward to seeing everyone...off to change various oils on the Discovery and correct a few things. Cheers, Gerry _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_eliminateviruses_3mf From bens Fri Dec 27 13:05:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBRI57B16944 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 13:05:07 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 13:05:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200212271805.gBRI57c16940@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Weather Report Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Friday, December 27, 2002, at 08:57 AM, Gerry Elam wrote: > Looking forward to seeing everyone...off to change various oils on the > Discovery and correct a few things. > Cheers, Gerry WHAT!!! You are not bringing the Dormobile? TeriAnn J. Wakeman Santa Cruz, California twakeman@cruzers.com http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Fri Dec 27 13:51:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBRIpPT17193 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 13:51:25 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 13:51:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200212271851.gBRIpOv17189@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: LRO-List Help Please (No Mendo Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, Not that this isn't the best list on the planet but I'd also join the LRO-List. I here the audience world wide which will help me locate some of the harder to find parts for Indiana's restoration. I've emailed them on December 1st and received this response: ----------------------------------------------- From: lro-admin@koan.team.net Date: Sun Dec 1, 2002 21:07:02 US/Pacific To: shukait@mac.com Subject: Your message to LRO awaits moderator approval Your mail to 'LRO' with the subject subscribe lro digest Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Post by non-member to a members-only list Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. ----------------------------------------------- So then on December 8th I sent this message: ----------------------------------------------- From: Keith Shukait Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 20:20:35 US/Pacific To: lro-admin@koan.team.net Subject: Re: Your message to LRO awaits moderator approval LRO -Admin Moderator, Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions about adding me to your list. I'm restoring a 1967 Land Rover Series IIA NADA 6 Cylinder Dormobile and would like to use the list to find some parts I need. I sent my request in and received your reply on December 1st. Please let me know if you need further information. -------------------------------------------------- So I haven't been added to the list or received any other response. Is there a trick? Have I been rejected by the Moderator? Please email me directly so we can move this off line. Thanks for your input, Keith From bens Fri Dec 27 14:14:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBRJERC17403 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 14:14:27 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 14:14:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200212271914.gBRJERH17399@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Weather Report Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Gerry writes... >Looking forward to seeing everyone...off to change various oils on the >Discovery and correct a few things. Man, I wish all I had to do to get ready was change various oils and correct a few things! Lesse, this morning on my wifes truck I have re-plumbed the windshield washers, cleaned out the nozzles, replaced the tank, hotwired power to rear for ARB fridge (installed said fridge), troubleshot pesky electrical problem (yesterday actually), topped up fluids, checked tires (changed/rotated them yesterday. All this for a weeklong trip to SLC. I didn't get the water pump done. (crosses fingers) The RR I'm bringing on the trip doesn't need much other than an oil change, and that can wait. The crewcab on the otherhand......should I start the list? Fluids (all 'cept coolant) Finish rear DS door Install same Install door strikers fabricate brackets for weatherstrip on 3 doors hook up fueltank sender install CB get front driveline rebuilt install same seatbelts????(maybe not, might not have enough time) install wiperarms/blades tidy up dash (maybe paint something) clean out rear cargo box AND if Paul Archibald shows up we get to pull the engine on the SWB RR. Won't that be fun! Maybe I should get the heck away from the computer and start working! Michael _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_virusprotection_3mf From bens Fri Dec 27 14:28:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBRJSqA17509 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 14:28:52 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 14:28:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200212271928.gBRJSpI17505@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: LRO-List Help Please (No Mendo Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Keith, Go to http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro and follow the instructions for joining the list. BTW, I think there's a Dormie mailing list, as well. C From bens Fri Dec 27 15:22:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBRKMZR17933 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:22:35 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:22:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200212272022.gBRKMZs17929@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Weather Report Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Maybe I should get the heck away from the computer and start working! > > Michael If you expect to be at the trail head by 9 AM Monday lov, ye had best hustle That is one mighty long list TeriAnn J. Wakeman Santa Cruz, California http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman A member of the internet community since 1985. From bens Fri Dec 27 16:20:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBRLKkk18409 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 16:20:46 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 16:20:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200212272120.gBRLKk818405@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: LRO-List Help Please (No Mendo Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/enriched; ] [ 159 lines filtered. ] --Apple-Mail-4-439875472 charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed keith, Here's the poop from the list: To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo/lro or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to lro-request@land-rover.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at lro-admin@land-rover.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of LRO digest..." Be careful. I have had problems with the LRO list and the DOR lists because my email address can be one of 3 variations: jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us, OR dcn.davis.ca.us OR dcn.org. And it seems like what is in my email program can result in an email list killing a submission when I am subscribed. So, try to subscribe to LRO with your apple.com address and see if you get a confirmation. Then Unsub. then try mac.com then maybe around the world. I think having the email account the same as the what the program you are using is, is the trick. at least that's my experience with the LRO and DOR lists. cheers, On Friday, December 27, 2002, at 10:51 AM, Keith Shukait wrote: > > All, > > Not that this isn't the best list on the planet but I'd also join the > LRO-List. I here the audience world wide which will help me locate > some of the harder to find parts for Indiana's restoration. I've > emailed them on December 1st and received this response: > > ----------------------------------------------- [ 45 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem --Apple-Mail-4-439875472 From bens Fri Dec 27 16:33:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBRLXKp18459 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 16:33:20 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 16:33:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200212272133.gBRLXKP18455@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Randy Katz" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Convoying to Needles on Sunday from SF/Bay Area? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anyone else heading down to Needles on Sunday AM, and wishing to convoy? Jason & Petra and I are likely to meet up near the approaches to the Bay Bridge sometime mid-morning. Please respond directly as well as to mendo_recce as I am on digest mode. By the way, while the weather in the Bay Area will be wet and wild, the forecast for the Mojave is mostly dry and not too cold. Randy From bens Fri Dec 27 18:00:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBRN0sf19112 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:00:54 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:00:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200212272300.gBRN0sU19108@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cc: gambrinus@adelphia.net Subject: Working on trucks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well...after wasting about 3 hours looking all over the damnded backyard for parts Gambrinus (why couldn't Russ put everything IN ONE PLACE!?!?!?!?!), it appears that Gambrinus probably won't be making the trip. Only thing I've really accomplished since 1000hrs, is installing his hazard light switch/panel/lighter, and also the wiper motor/assembly - the rest of the time was used looking for stuff! Besides, after figuring out his accelerator linkage, I discover that the Rochester carb he got from a friend, is missing one cruicial part: the fitting that the fuel line connects to! Then, after looking for 20 minutes, I find his turn signal switch with no wires coming out of it! (I could have sworn the last time I saw it, it had wiring!) I have some running around that I have to do, then it's off to Visalia to get Gillian ready for the trip (starter replacement - the existing one's solenoid is skipping a bit, gun locker removal to make room for a larger sleeping area, and maybe sealing a few seams a bit). I can probably get the fitting for his carb today (the same shop would also have the fittings I need for his power brakes, too - which still have to be bled...), but by the time I get back here, I won't have much time to get things together for me to get going. We'll see what happens...there's still hope. Charles On Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:22:35 -0500 TeriAnn Wakeman writes: > > > Maybe I should get the heck away from the computer and start > working! > > > > Michael > > If you expect to be at the trail head by 9 AM Monday lov, ye had > best > hustle [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Fri Dec 27 18:42:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBRNggu19322 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:42:42 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:42:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200212272342.gBRNgge19318@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Convoying to Needles on Sunday from SF/Bay Area? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/enriched; ] [ 55 lines filtered. ] --Apple-Mail-2-448393330 charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I am thinking that leaving Davis at 9AM or before is the way to go. I will go 80 east to 99 and 99 south to 58? I'm not sure of the exact route since it's a long way down there. cheers, On Friday, December 27, 2002, at 01:33 PM, Randy Katz wrote: > > Anyone else heading down to Needles on Sunday AM, and wishing to > convoy? > Jason & Petra and I are likely to meet up near the approaches to the > Bay > Bridge sometime mid-morning. > Please respond directly as well as to mendo_recce as I am on digest > mode. > By the way, while the weather in the Bay Area will be wet and wild, the [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem --Apple-Mail-2-448393330 From bens Fri Dec 27 20:15:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBS1FOU19717 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:15:24 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:15:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200212280115.gBS1FOO19713@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Convoying to Needles on Sunday from SF/Bay Area? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John, yes - 99 south to Hwy 58 east into Barstow: from there, you can take I-40 into Needles. I'm probably leaving Visalia @0900 on Sunday myself - am thinking about hitting up the Mad Greek's in Baker and meandering my way down into Needles from there. Charles On Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:42:42 -0500 John Hess writes: > > I am thinking that leaving Davis at 9AM or before is the way to go. > I > will go 80 east to 99 and 99 south to 58? I'm not sure of the exact > > route since it's a long way down there. ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Fri Dec 27 20:46:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBS1kX619841 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:46:33 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:46:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200212280146.gBS1kWQ19837@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Weather Report Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Like that's a big surprise to anyone? "I currently own a 1960 Land Rover Series II 109 that I purchased in 1978." And.... how long did it take for yours to hit the road? Am I anywhere near that length yet? :-) See you on the trail! Cheers, Gerry >WHAT!!! You are not bringing the Dormobile? _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_stopmorespam_3mf From bens Fri Dec 27 20:53:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBS1rB019881 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:53:11 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:53:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200212280153.gBS1rBd19877@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Weather Report Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Gerry Elam wrote: > > Like that's a big surprise to anyone? > > "I currently own a 1960 Land Rover Series II 109 that I > purchased in 1978." > > And.... how long did it take for yours to hit the road? > Am I anywhere near > that length yet? :-) Ug...Gerry....TeriAnn has been driving hers all that time... hmmm! ;-) Has yours come out of the garage yet? ;-0 Paul (can't talk....my dormie's gone, and the new owner isn't touching it either for two years as he ended up with four 88's to practice on whn he started buying spares.... > >WHAT!!! You are not bringing the Dormobile? > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 3 months FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= > > http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_stopmorespam_3mf > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Fri Dec 27 21:16:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBS2Grh19991 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 21:16:53 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 21:16:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200212280216.gBS2Gri19987@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Weather Report Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Friday, December 27, 2002, at 05:46 PM, Gerry Elam wrote: > Like that's a big surprise to anyone? > "I currently own a 1960 Land Rover Series II 109 that I purchased in > 1978." > > And.... how long did it take for yours to hit the road? Am I anywhere > near > that length yet? :-) About 6 months. I had to move during that time and I was holding down a full time job with a long commute so it took me longer to resurrect it. TeriAnn J. Wakeman Santa Cruz, California twakeman@cruzers.com http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Sat Dec 28 14:14:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBSJEFV26168 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:14:15 -0500 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:14:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200212281914.gBSJEFT26164@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Hess To: "Randy Katz" Cc: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: plans? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/enriched; ] [ 33 lines filtered. ] --Apple-Mail-2-518687024 charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Randy, What's your plan? 80 to 5? 101 south? What time do you think you'll leave Berkeley? My Dormie goes consistently slowly, 55-60 but I did drive from Portland OR to Davis is one day and while I dread sitting in the seat that long, it can be done. cheers, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem --Apple-Mail-2-518687024 From bens Sat Dec 28 16:04:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBSL4i426791 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:04:44 -0500 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:04:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200212282104.gBSL4ho26787@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: question re: SWR readings on cbs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was checking the SWR reading of our cb radio today and found that it needs serious adjusting. It was above 3.0 when a reading of 1.0 is ideal. We have a Firestik adjustable antenna and I attempted to set the antenna head at various lengths, but the adjustments did nothing to alter the high SWR reading. My question is this. Would a total lack of change in an SWR reading after multiple adjustments of the antenna head point to something else needing replacement or adjustment, for example, the coax cable? The coax cable attached to the cb spent a long period of time sticking out the rear door of the 110 and I'm assuming it may have gotten damaged somehow. My first assumption is that the coax cable is at fault and to get a new higher quality coax cable and test the SWR with it attached. Any comments? jpipes From bens Sat Dec 28 18:04:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBSN4Zd27341 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:04:35 -0500 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:04:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200212282304.gBSN4YN27337@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Mendo cb channel? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org What's the official Mendo CB channel? Thanks! Cheers, Gerry _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From bens Sat Dec 28 18:33:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBSNX5A27531 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:33:05 -0500 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:33:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200212282333.gBSNX5727527@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: question re: SWR readings on cbs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org You may have a bad (shorted) cable... not just one that needs adjusting. Cheers, Gerry >I was checking the SWR reading of our cb radio today and found that it >needs >serious adjusting. It was above 3.0 when a reading of 1.0 is ideal. We have >a Firestik adjustable antenna and I attempted to set the antenna head at >various lengths, but the adjustments did nothing to alter the high SWR >reading. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphotos_3mf From bens Sat Dec 28 18:36:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBSNaB427560 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:36:11 -0500 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:36:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200212282336.gBSNaAt27556@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: RE: Mendo cb channel? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 25 lines filtered. ] Channel 7. jpipes From bens Sat Dec 28 18:42:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBSNgGj27591 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:42:16 -0500 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:42:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200212282342.gBSNgG327587@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Mojave plan - one more time Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Gang, Sorry to beat this dead horse some more, but can someone re-send the directions/time/itinerary? I erased all my hotmail mail (duh) and was going to forward it to Matthew Jackson who is coming from Paso Robles. Thanks! Michael _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphotos_3mf From bens Sat Dec 28 18:43:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBSNhYJ27606 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:43:34 -0500 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:43:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200212282343.gBSNhYD27602@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: RE: question re: SWR readings on cbs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 9 lines filtered. ] I replaced the coax cable with a better/newer one and boom - the SWR meter read under 3.0! Sadly it's still reading higher than desired, above 2.0, but that's better than before for sure. As I adjusted the length of the antenna the SWR reading got progressively better. Now I guess it's down to physical placement of the antenna itself to get below 2.0 on the reading. jpipes From bens Sat Dec 28 18:45:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBSNjEm27631 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:45:14 -0500 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:45:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200212282345.gBSNjE127627@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Mendo cb channel? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org typically its channel 7 TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry Elam" To: Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 3:04 PM Subject: Mendo cb channel? > > What's the official Mendo CB channel? > > Thanks! > > Cheers, > Gerry > > [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Dec 28 19:58:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBT0wdR27941 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:58:39 -0500 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:58:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200212290058.gBT0wce27937@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: RE: question re: SWR readings on cbs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ok, so I've answered my own questions... The addition of the new/better quality coax cable increased the SWR reading, and the real difference in the SWR reading came when (imagine this) I moved the position of the antenna. We were able to reach a reading of 1.5 by raising the antenna to the roof. It was originally mounted on the tire rack off of the rear door. So I answered my questions. Feel free to post your comments though, should you have any. Now I just have to figure out how best to get the coax cable up to the roof line... jpipes From bens Sat Dec 28 20:22:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBT1Mr128040 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 20:22:53 -0500 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 20:22:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200212290122.gBT1Mqe28036@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: The African Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Say... anyone want to buy a Land Rover?? We've got a month left on our lease, and time is running out. So is the price on her. I'm down to 3,500 dollars. Let me know! Thanks, Stirling. http://www.theafrican.8k.com . __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bens Sat Dec 28 22:26:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBT3QiA28589 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:26:44 -0500 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:26:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200212290326.gBT3Qhj28585@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Dick Lague" To: Subject: RE: question re: SWR readings on cbs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 27 lines filtered. ] Putting it on the roof not only raises the height, but the metal roof acts as a ground plane for the antenna. Dick Lague New Member From bens Sat Dec 28 23:26:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBT4QYf28919 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 23:26:34 -0500 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 23:26:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200212290426.gBT4QYT28915@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: Mission Accomplished Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org After my smoky electrical mishap of last week, my 109 has now been fitted with a new wiring harness, ignition and starter switch. It was actually pretty painless. I'll put in a better drive shaft on Sunday, do my final pre-flight check and knock on wood, I'll see you guys Monday AM at the trailhead. Are we going to be on Channel 7? Mo Patrykus --------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance 1st month Free! Sign up today at: www.netzerolongdistance.com From bens Sun Dec 29 00:39:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBT5dUG30604 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 00:39:30 -0500 Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 00:39:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200212290539.gBT5dTn30600@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Mojave.. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org To all the desert rats who are about to embark on your yearly voyage: Have a fine and Happy New Year! May all of your miles be trouble free. Alas, I will not be joining your on your great journey as my fine rover is still in need of some love and attention before it's big debut. Much has been done, but much is left to be done. Here are some shots that I took today. Many thanks to Charles for not only the work space but for the fine paint job, wiring and a million other things over the past year! http://www.fourfold.org/rwilson RW -- Blaming Guns for Crime is Like Blaming Spoons for Rosie O'Donnell Being Fat From bens Sun Dec 29 15:37:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBTKbne05720 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:37:49 -0500 Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:37:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200212292037.gBTKblR05716@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Another Meltdown before Mojave Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks, After coming to the conclusion that Gambrinus wouldn't be ready for Mojave, I headed north to finish a few items on Gillian. Started work on her yesterday afternoon after doing quite a bit of running around Visalia/Tulare - with plenty of time left to work on Gillian, or so I thought... Adjusted the toe-out, removed the 109 gun locker to make space for a "bed" in the bed, installed the CB, placed silicone on all the top seams (in case of rain), then I decided to fire her up...DEAD BATTERY!!!!!!!! After checking all switches, I discover that I left the glow plugs on the last time I drive her...AAARRRGGGHHH!!!!!!!!!!! So, remove battery and take it to Pep Boys to get charged (my charger is still here at the house!): get battery back at 1930hrs, install battery - truck no start (indicator on battery still showing red). Whilst at Pep Boys, the man that charged it said there may be one dead cell, but that it should still be okay - it wasn't. So, off to Wally-Mart last night to get a new battery, install this morning, to find that the starter solenoid was toast as well (glow plugs are wired through the solenoid on the starter)! So, replace starter with spare (I planned onpossibly replacing it as part of a pre-Mojave item, since it was acting up on me before, so I had it with me). Engine now turns like crazy, but won't start. Pulled a few glow plugs last night, and while they showed signs of having been overheated, I figgered they'd be okay, but no. So, here I am at home after having removed the glow plugs from my other engine, and it's off to Visalia again! If all goes well, I'll see everybody at the reailhead in the morning! Charles ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Sun Dec 29 22:08:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBU38im08592 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:08:44 -0500 Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:08:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200212300308.gBU38iT08588@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shane Ballensky To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: tool box for sale(no lr content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm upgrading to a larger tool box and need to sell this one. Craftsman 9 drawer tool chest. Roller bearing sliders very good condition. $350.00 Husky 8 drawer tool box also with roller bearing sliders. almost new condition. $200.00 or both for $500. I'm up in Redding but will deliver/meet in bay area. check the link for pic http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=105174 Shane From bens Mon Dec 30 14:08:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gBUJ8ga18767 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:08:42 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:08:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200212301908.gBUJ8gS18763@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Sightings, Airstreams, Christmas Flu & the Garage Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, Pam, the kids and I were on Hwy 152 west bound between Los Banos and Hwy 5 when we saw a 93 Defender 110 in white (duh) eastbound. We caught it at the last second so we didn't get to see the driver or passengers. We were in the XD (hard to miss) anyone from the list headed to Mojave? We were dropping the Airstream off on consignment at Toscano's RV. The last time we had it out was Mojave last year. She was too much money to sit in a storage lot for $780 a year. She's in perfect shape so she shouldn't last long there. When we finish Indiana I can see us using her more than the Airstream so it's done. I was a hard decision to let her go, even William our three year old said "are we going to leave the trailer here?" "Will the trailer cry when we go?" Little kids are just the best thing in the whole wide world. We were suppose to be visiting our oldest son Patrick, but Zachary got the flu Christmas morning and spent the next three days recovering. I'm going to clean the garage so I can get started on Indiana. Have a safe trip to Mojave and we'll see you there next year. Happy New Year to all, The Shukait's