From bens Mon Apr 1 00:20:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g315Kj529570 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 00:20:45 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 00:20:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200204010520.g315KiA29566@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: sighting and silly Land Rover questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 14 lines filtered. ] In a message dated 3/31/02 6:58:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, bobnsueb@saber.net writes: > . I never > thought about the direction of rear door swing before. And actually find it > to be ok (or what I'm used to anyway). > > I had thought of it, but if you hinge it on the other side, (Left) in most street occasions, it will fall to the closed position, making unloading a Pain. The door will always be leaning on you. Zack From bens Mon Apr 1 01:32:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g316WnL29954 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 01:32:49 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 01:32:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200204010632.g316Wn529950@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Fire extinguishers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, Our friend was the last Safety Commissioner for the city of Saratoga. I talked with him tonight and he will arrange to have Fireman attend our next meeting. He can cover safety, extinguishers and properly putting out a car fire. The next time we have a meeting in the Saratoga area let me know and I'll have him arrange it. Cheers, Keith From bens Mon Apr 1 10:56:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g31FuxJ32022 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 10:56:59 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 10:56:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200204011556.g31Fux432018@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: wheel centering Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 37 lines filtered. ] "....I've had Gillian in for tires several times since I bought her, and never a problem with balancing the wheels...." That said, I've had 3 sets of tires on the 109 now, never paid to have a one of them balanced, and never "had a problem" either. -Dave G. From bens Mon Apr 1 11:00:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g31G0YE32073 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:00:34 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:00:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200204011600.g31G0YS32069@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: LR fires Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....they had accidentally overfilled it with ATF during a scheduled maintenance and it had dumped the fluid on the cats from a vent on top of the transmission...." This is also a reason to check the ATF level if you get stuck in sill-deep water for awhile. If the warm tranny cools while submerged it will draw water in through the vent. The resultant over-fill and later boiling of the water forces ATF out onto the exhaust. Alan Dobbs had a fire in his D90 this way. Might be worth a look to extend the breather on the ZFs. -Dave G. From bens Mon Apr 1 11:20:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g31GK5c32233 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:20:05 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:20:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200204011620.g31GK5832229@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Wheel Centering Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....But what kind of lug nuts do these BMW's have?...." This is a good question and something we haven't brought up in the discussion, but this is the way you tell if the primary locator is hub or lugs. Wheels that center on the lugs will have a tapered surface ON THE WHEEL where the lug nut or bolt head contacts the rim. If the area where the lug contacts the wheel is flat, like on LR alloy wheels, then the centering is being done by the center hole. The tapered angle on the end of the lug nut is not a good indicator. Most all of them will be tapered to help the nut start in when the studs aren't centered in the lug holes (As the wheel is first mounted). But the area of the rim that's being clamped by the nut is the key. All that said, most wheels that are lug centered still have their center holes punched close enough to center to accomplish good balancing. LRs and some others aren't as careful with this on their steel wheels, so it's hit or miss whether you get a set of wheels that happen to be able to be balanced on the center hole or not. -Dave G. From bens Mon Apr 1 11:35:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g31GZkw32306 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:35:46 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:35:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200204011635.g31GZkx32302@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Fire extinguishers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...he will arrange to have Fireman attend our next meeting....." Good on ya, Keith. Thanks for pulling that together. Wish I could attend. -Dave G. From bens Mon Apr 1 11:41:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g31Gf5t32339 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:41:05 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:41:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200204011641.g31Gf5h32335@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Charles and Janet's Excellent Adventure Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Glad you made it back okay. Sure was great to see you again, and Janet for the first time. With the number of things that have been unplugged under the bonnet, if I were you I'd probably be looking hard at potential ignition timing/firing issues to explain both your hard starts and the lack of power. Throw a timing light on it just for grins. Might be a little retarded, or not advancing properly. Just a thought. If you'd stuck around a bit I could have put the scope on it. Yes there is one buried in that mess I call a garage. :^) -Dave G. From bens Mon Apr 1 12:03:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g31H36R32439 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 12:03:06 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 12:03:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200204011703.g31H36E32435@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Charles and Janet's Excellent Adventure Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave, No biggie: between Grand Junction and your place it only did it once, and didn't become a nuisance until we got to Pueblo. Yeah - Janet had the best time, and I think she's working on an excuse for us to make the trip again! Was good to be there again, as it gives me even more of an incentive to get a better job and get the heck outta L.A. You going to Mendo this year??? Charles On Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:41:05 -0500 "Gomes, David" writes: > > Glad you made it back okay. Sure was great to see you again, and > Janet for > the first time. > > With the number of things that have been unplugged under the bonnet, > if I > were you I'd probably be looking hard at potential ignition > timing/firing [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Mon Apr 1 12:13:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g31HDt632495 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 12:13:55 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 12:13:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200204011713.g31HDte32491@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Charles and Janet's Excellent Adventure Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....You going to Mendo this year???..." I don't think I'll find the time. Maybe next year with the 109 under G-power. One quirk I forgot to tell you about in that diesel motor. One of the injectors, I think it's number 1, has an abnormally deep bore in the head. So the injector tip isn't sealing off against the head, rather the collar is doing the sealing on it's copper washer (higher up). I tried to remedy the situation by making a little sleeve to go down in the head with one of those crush washers (like normally goes under the injector tip) above and below the sleeve, to take up the extra gap, but I'm not sure how effective it is. If you pull that injector, you'll probably find the whole tip sooty, rather than just a circle around the nozzle as it should be. I'm not sure if that's resulting in enough loss of compression to make that cylinder miss when it's cold or not, but it might be. I thought of that over the weekend and thought I'd better tell you, rather than have you wondering, "what the heck?" some day..... :^) So next time Paddocks is selling out diesel head castings and cranks on the cheap, pick up one of each. -Dave G. From bens Mon Apr 1 13:59:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g31Ixkq00505 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 13:59:46 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 13:59:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200204011859.g31Ixkn00501@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Schoenman" To: "mendo" Cc: Subject: Dry Chemical Fire extinguishers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi All, I've been reading all the comments posted (I'm in digest mode so I a few days back) on fire extinguishers. One thing that was mentioned to me a few years back at a fire safety presentation was that for dry chemical extinguishers used in vehicles, they should be taken out and shaken every 6 months. The constant vibration of being in a vehicle tends to pack down the powder. Depending on how the extinguisher is stored, when you go to use it, the retardant may not all come out before the propellant in released (or may not come out at all). --- Eric See Dave Matthews Band live or win a signed guitar http://r.lycos.com/r/bmgfly_mail_dmb/http://win.ipromotions.com/lycos_020201/splash.asp From bens Mon Apr 1 19:06:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3206uS02725 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 19:06:56 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 19:06:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200204020006.g3206tC02721@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Nur Dum? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Is the Nur Dum still on for this coming weekend? Who is leading this one, if anyone? -- Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Mon Apr 1 19:32:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g320Wb602847 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 19:32:37 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 19:32:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200204020032.g320Wae02843@minbar.fourfold.org> From: carl kruger To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Ser. 2 for Sale- San Francisco Area Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi All- I just noticed this posting on Craigslist.org, thought it might be of interest. No personal interest or knowlege, just passing it on.... =========== 1961 Land Rover Series II SWB Safari Station Wagon - $5000 Reply to: see below Date: Mon Apr 1 09:11:00 2002 Mint Green 1961 Land Rover Series II Short Wheel Base Safari Station Wagon. New brakes, new clutch, new dynamo, new voltage regulator, new exhaust manifold, muffler and exhaust pipe (I have all receipts). Jump seats in rear (seats seven) with spare tire mounted on hood. Detachable windshield and cab top. Maintained by British Car Company in Corte Madera. This Rover runs great and is my daily driver. A great value for what is arguably the best 4X4 vehicle ever conceived. Motivated seller. $5,000 obo Other ways to contact poster: Lance Peterson (415) 442-1339 it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests this is in or around Sausalito From bens Mon Apr 1 20:00:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g32102E02959 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 20:00:02 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 20:00:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200204020100.g32102m02955@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Granny To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cc: gpool@pacific.net Subject: Re: Nur Dum? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason, > Is the Nur Dum still on for this coming weekend? Who is leading this one, if > anyone? As far as I know, it's on. Leading it? No one. I'll be there and pray that someone who has a winch on his or her vehicle will also be along. I might but it's not likely. I haven't had time to even go talk to the welder I want to do it. Granny From bens Tue Apr 2 02:14:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g327EqE05526 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 02:14:52 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 02:14:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200204020714.g327EpI05522@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Nur Dum? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Granny wrote: > As far as I know, it's on. Leading it? No one. I'll be > there and pray that > someone who has a winch on his or her vehicle will also > be along. I might but > it's not likely. I haven't had time to even go talk to > the welder I want to do > it. Unless something goes wrong here....I'll be there with The Light Brigade and my trusty two-year-old virgin xd9000i (I checked lsat week, and it does still work just fine in the driveway.....just need some straps, and clevis? (forgot the name of hte thingies you use... ;-(...anyway I'll be there.. Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From bens Tue Apr 2 04:23:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g329N1D06050 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 04:23:01 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 04:23:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200204020923.g329N0a06046@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stephen LaPorta To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: '72 series III Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Tonight I was driving back to Albany from the city. The car was running terriffic. As I approached the stop light at Solano and San Pablo, about 6 block from my house, I downshifted from second to first gear. I heard a thunk-like sound. I shifted into neutral while waiting for the red light. When the light turned green I tried to shift into first gear, but, the car wouldn't move forward. In sum, the shifter was move into any gear, there is plenty of tension in the clutch pedal, but, the vehicle won't move in any direction, from any gear. It's as though the car thinks it's stuck in neutral gear. Has anyone experienced any symptoms like these before? I'd appreciate any suggestions. Thanks in advance. Steve La Porta '72 Series III '88 From bens Tue Apr 2 08:44:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g32DiDK07345 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 08:44:13 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 08:44:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200204021344.g32DiD407341@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: '72 series III Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It happened to me once with Gillian, though I still had 4th/reverse: turned out to be a rear layshaft bearing. However, this was with a 'A'-suffix box. I certainly hope that you don't have the same problem, though your symptoms don't sound good. Charles On Tue, 2 Apr 2002 04:23:00 -0500 Stephen LaPorta writes: > > Tonight I was driving back to Albany from the city. The car was > running terriffic. As I approached the stop light at Solano and San > Pablo, about 6 block from my house, I downshifted from second to > first gear. I heard a thunk-like sound. I shifted into neutral while > > waiting for the red light. When the light turned green I tried to > shift into first gear, but, the car wouldn't move forward. In sum, > the shifter was move into any gear, there is plenty of tension in [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Tue Apr 2 08:50:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g32DoQJ07393 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 08:50:26 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 08:50:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200204021350.g32DoPl07389@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: '72 series III Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Stephen, At first glance this sounds like a broken axle. They usually break on starting out though. Will it move if you shift into 4WD or low range? Bob B At 01:23 AM 4/2/2002, you wrote: >Tonight I was driving back to Albany from the city. The car was >running terriffic. As I approached the stop light at Solano and San >Pablo, about 6 block from my house, I downshifted from second to >first gear. I heard a thunk-like sound. I shifted into neutral while >waiting for the red light. When the light turned green I tried to >shift into first gear, but, the car wouldn't move forward. In sum, >the shifter was move into any gear, there is plenty of tension in the >clutch pedal, but, the vehicle won't move in any direction, from any >gear. It's as though the car thinks it's stuck in neutral gear. Has [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Apr 2 09:06:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g32E6Ci07516 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 09:06:12 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 09:06:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200204021406.g32E6Cj07512@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: '72 series III Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Forgot about that...I'm still in stupid-mode... Charles On Tue, 2 Apr 2002 08:50:25 -0500 Bob & Sue Bernard writes: > > Hi Stephen, > At first glance this sounds like a broken axle. They usually break > on > starting out though. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Tue Apr 2 09:47:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g32ElUK07849 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 09:47:30 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 09:47:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200204021447.g32ElUJ07845@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eugene H. Simpson III" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Nur Dum? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Charles and Janet's Excellent Adventure Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org No problem: when I got Gillian, she had several crush washers on a couple of injectors. Charles On Mon, 1 Apr 2002 12:13:55 -0500 "Gomes, David" writes: > >One of the injectors, I think it's number 1, has an abnormally deep bore in the > head. So the injector tip isn't sealing off against the head, rather the collar is > doing the sealing on it's copper washer (higher up). ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Tue Apr 2 11:15:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g32GFsj08322 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 11:15:54 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 11:15:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200204021615.g32GFsF08318@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Nur Dum! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org As Alexander Haig once said, "I'm in charge!" Here's the info: Meet in Ft Bragg at South Main St (Highway 1) and Oak St 9:30AM Sat, April 6. Monitor your CB channel 7 or Ham and be in contact and IN THE VICINITY AT LEAST 15 MINUTES AHEAD OF THE START TIME. Ref Notes: 1) Oak St is the point where Main St changes from "South" to "North". 2) Oak St driven east a couple miles will change into Sherwood Road. 3) If you have Cingular cell service, there is zero coverage in Mendocino County (even along 101). There are several stores, eateries and gas stations within a few blocks of the Ft Bragg meeting place. Not sure about cheap motels but there are a couple of campgrounds on route 20 a few miles east of Hwy 1 plus a few in the Willits area. I have phone numbers if needed (or obtain AAA NorCal Camping map). So far, 5-7 trucks are in the running. Bring what you need to be sufficient for a possible overnight stay in the rough and don't forget some decent mud boots! For those who can access Triple A, their "Mendocino & Sonoma Coast" map provides a great perspective of the entire region (also a reference for the Mendo Not-a-Rallye). If coming up Hwy 101 early Sat, you should have no problems maintaining speed except in a few areas of Mendocino County where the CHP might be trolling. One way to the coast from 101 is route 20 out of Willits. As I recall, route 20 is a decent 45-55mph road and will take you to Hwy 1 approx 2 miles south of Oak St. Another way to the coast is Route 128 from Cloverdale. Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW (in digest mode down in Southern Ca) 408-348-3688 cell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From bens Tue Apr 2 11:26:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g32GQn608415 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 11:26:49 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 11:26:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200204021626.g32GQn208411@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Vehicle check out Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org No need to go chack out that trailer any more. We finally found one locally. Amazing how you look for months to no avail, then several suddenly appear on the market. Paul Archibald wrote: > > --- James Howard wrote: > > Anyone live near Bubblingwell Place, San Jose (off Camden > > Avenue)...near Leland High School in Almaden Valley, San > > Jose? > Well san Jose isn't that big...... Sure! ;-) > > > There is a vehicle there I might want checked out, and if > > any of you are [ 14 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- James Howard Naval Research Lab Code 7215, NPOI Project RR14, Box 447 Lake Mary Road Flagstaff, AZ 86001 +1-928-773-4868 (voice) +1-928-779-9568 (fax) jhoward@sextans.lowell.edu From bens Tue Apr 2 11:37:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g32GbMR08474 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 11:37:22 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 11:37:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200204021637.g32GbMd08470@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Nur Dum! - info posted online... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've updated the listing on the NCRC website under the events section to detail this trip. If anyone needs details or wants to point someone else to them, you can use norcalrover.org! On another note, I've been stricken with some form of stomach bug since last week Friday so there is a chance that Petra and I may not be able to make this trip... Thanks, Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Apr 2 12:04:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g32H4PT08609 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:04:25 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:04:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200204021704.g32H4Oh08605@minbar.fourfold.org> From: ford100@budco.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org/mendo_recce Subject: Ford Motor Company's 100th Anniversary Celebration - Register now! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 2 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ multipart/alternative; boundary=--~~1017766722_1017766722 ] [ text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" ] [ 37 lines filtered. ] --====~~1017766722~~==== Ford Motor Company's 100th Anniversary Celebration - Register now! Mark your calendars now for Ford Motor Company's 100th Anniversary Celebration June 12-16, 2003. Ford Motor Company employees and enthusiast's join the city of Dearborn, Michigan in a celebration on the grounds of Henry Ford II World Center. As a member of our extended family, we invite you to join us for displays of classic and collectable Ford Motor Company vehicles, plus exhibits, entertainment, and visits by many of Ford's racecar drivers and other Ford celebrities. Thousands of Ford enthusiasts from all over the world have already expressed an interest in attending and celebrating this major milestone with us. We're thrilled with this show of support and, to ensure that we can accommodate everyone - especially those who would like to display their vehicles - we're encouraging early registration. Registration is simple. Just go to https://www.fordcentennialreg.com Please pass the word along to fellow Ford Motor Company car and truck enthusiasts. Thank you 100th Anniversary Team Ford Motor Company ----~~1017766722_1017766722 From bens Tue Apr 2 12:13:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g32HD2P08688 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:13:02 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:13:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200204021713.g32HD2808684@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: Subject: Re: '72 series III Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org $10 says it is a broken axel. Slap it into four wheel drive and you'll be able to drive it. Ciao! Brian On 4/2/02 1:23 AM, "Stephen LaPorta" wrote: > > Tonight I was driving back to Albany from the city. The car was > running terriffic. As I approached the stop light at Solano and San > Pablo, about 6 block from my house, I downshifted from second to > first gear. I heard a thunk-like sound. I shifted into neutral while > waiting for the red light. When the light turned green I tried to > shift into first gear, but, the car wouldn't move forward. In sum, > the shifter was move into any gear, there is plenty of tension in the > clutch pedal, but, the vehicle won't move in any direction, from any [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ------------------------ http://www.roverme.org "Land Rover community, links and email services." From bens Tue Apr 2 13:04:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g32I42f09001 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 13:04:02 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 13:04:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200204021804.g32I42x08997@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: '72 series III Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....Slap it into four wheel drive and you'll be able to drive it....." Ah, a less cavalier approach may be warranted. The most frequent failure of the axle is at the diff end, and as such, usually deposits some amount of fragments of the axle into the differential fluid where they can damage the ring, pinion, spiders, or bearings. Yes, use of 4wd can get you out of harms way, and even back home. But it's an emergency measure and you need to pull the axle and 3rd member sooner than later to avoid collateral damage. -Dave G. From bens Tue Apr 2 13:15:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g32IFHc09066 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 13:15:17 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 13:15:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200204021815.g32IFG009062@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: Subject: Re: '72 series III Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yes, this is true. I should have mentioned it. When my axel broke, I "Gently engaged 4-wheel drive" and drove straight to WCB in Livermore. It sounded fine, drove fine and turned out to be a clean break. I took a chance that many would.. But it is just that, a chance. Thank you for pointing that out Dave. ;o) Brian On 4/2/02 10:04 AM, "Gomes, David" wrote: > > "....Slap it into four wheel drive and you'll be able to drive it....." > > Ah, a less cavalier approach may be warranted. The most frequent failure of > the axle is at the diff end, and as such, usually deposits some amount of > fragments of the axle into the differential fluid where they can damage the > ring, pinion, spiders, or bearings. > > Yes, use of 4wd can get you out of harms way, and even back home. But it's [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ------------------------ http://www.roverme.org "Land Rover community, links and email services." From bens Tue Apr 2 13:22:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g32IMSS09108 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 13:22:28 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 13:22:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200204021822.g32IMRE09104@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "deGuzman, Christine" To: Subject: RE: '72 series III Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Steve, if it is your half shaft, I have a couple of spares. You can have one. Mehdi From bens Tue Apr 2 14:22:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g32JMVv09559 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:22:31 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:22:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200204021922.g32JMUc09555@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Sorry to ask but I need help Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I contracted American Auto Shipping to pick up my Dormobile and it's not working out. Mid march went to late March to early April to the're not sure when we can get it. I paid in full $1795 for the shipping, the truck plus two pallets inclosed shipping. They also have my $4500 cashiers check made out to the seller. Right now I just want all my money back. Does anyone live near Camarillo California? If so and you willing to help, please call me at 408-425-3657 and I'll explain the details. Thank you and sorry to ask, Keith Shukait 408-425-3657 From bens Tue Apr 2 17:36:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g32MaVB10746 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:36:31 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:36:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200204022236.g32MaV910742@minbar.fourfold.org> From: ford100@budco.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org/mendo_recce Subject: (Updated) Ford Motor Company's 100th Anniversary Celebration - Register now! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 2 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ multipart/alternative; boundary=--~~1017786683_1017786683 ] [ text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" ] [ 37 lines filtered. ] --====~~1017786683~~==== Ford Motor Company's 100th Anniversary Celebration - Register now! Mark your calendars now for Ford Motor Company's 100th Anniversary Celebration June 12-16, 2003. Ford Motor Company employees and enthusiast's join the city of Dearborn, Michigan in a celebration on the grounds of Henry Ford II World Center. As a member of our extended family, we invite you to join us for displays of classic and collectable Ford Motor Company vehicles, plus exhibits, entertainment, and visits by many of Ford's racecar drivers and other Ford celebrities. Thousands of Ford enthusiasts from all over the world have already expressed an interest in attending and celebrating this major milestone with us. We're thrilled with this show of support and, to ensure that we can accommodate everyone - especially those who would like to display their vehicles - we're encouraging early registration. Registration is simple. Just go to https://fordcentennialreg.com Please pass the word along to fellow Ford Motor Company car and truck enthusiasts. Thank you 100th Anniversary Team Ford Motor Company ----~~1017786683_1017786683 From bens Tue Apr 2 21:18:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g332IkC11804 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 21:18:46 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 21:18:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200204030218.g332Ik511800@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I spotted a Red D90 Hardtop with a white bonnet and a bunch of stickers on the rear frame member parked in downtown Davis. Anyone? -Rob P.s. I have been listening on my HAM a little and must have been on a bay area repeater, becuase the people talking were from Gilroy and San Martin.(somewhere around 146... From bens Tue Apr 2 21:32:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g332WIW11885 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 21:32:18 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 21:32:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200204030232.g332WIc11881@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sighting/ham Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org rob, i listen on the Mt. Diablo repeater on the way home from work most of the time, lots of traffic sometimes since there is a ham net going on most of the time but they let visitors chime in on the net, i use my HT so i am on 5 watts power - not sure if this repeater can reach Davis W6CX Voice Repeater 147.060 MHz + / PL 100Hz cheers, fil KG6HIQ >From: "Kerner, Rob" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" >Subject: Sighting >Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 21:18:46 -0500 > >I spotted a Red D90 Hardtop with a white bonnet and a bunch of stickers on >the rear frame member parked in downtown Davis. Anyone? > [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Wed Apr 3 01:24:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g336ONW13884 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 01:24:23 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 01:24:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200204030624.g336OMl13880@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Toms LandRover Blowout Yardsale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ok! Its time to clean up my driveway! I have all sorts of stuff up here.. Most of it is for sale. You have pay for everything ( IE: no freebies, and no one person capitalizing on all the stuff )... I'm not looking to make money on most of it.... but don't want to give it away for free. For instance: Series III, all redone, ARB F&R, 3 tops overdrive etc... I want it gone, make me an offer. Forward Control..... F&R Lockers, engine is in shop, but as far I know ready to be put back together ,you buy truck, and pay the engine rebuilder.... Make an offer!!!! I will transport it for you. 5 295/75 BFG all terrains mounted ( new style, almost new condition ) on F350 alloy rims, 2 more as spares unmounted $850 5 35x12.5 SSR's on 15" GCR offset rims fair tread on three, new on two $700 4 stock Porsche Carrera cup 16" rims with Pirelli tires ( tread not great ) $1000 1 pair side fiberglass side skirts for new F series Ford Superduty pickup $50 or ??? 1 pair fiberglass Dually wheel wells, new, never used $100 or ??? Series Landrover 2 1/4 head with rotten chester carb, unkwon condition $100 1983 or 84 Series Transmision from Wise Owl in suposed good gone through condition, blowout @ $500 rear hitch mounted winch holder $50 M9000i winch -really- used may need some maintenance!!! $200 More Coiler LR springs than I can count!!! $5 each Uni Directional Direc PC satelite and control modem $100 More Land Rover parts than I can mention.... Come clean out my basement!!!! Who knows what you'll find!!! Washing machine, Fridge, BIG swamp cooler, older Canondale Mtn Bike. 125 Gallon Fish tank with COMPLETE coral reef Hi tech filtration system, & HO lights.. make offer Old Wind Surfer Engine Stand Engine Puller SG "turned" front radius arms $200 Rockware rear trailing arms $200 Rockware rear dropout spring setup $100 two stock LR coiler diffs ( just diff, no housing ) $100 each or ??? stock LR series diff $75 or ??? Who knows what else you could find!!??? prolly two or three older Pentuims ( no disk drives ) The D90 and other vehicles are NOT for sale! You pick it up! ( except the rovers wich can be delivered if needed ) I'm either clearing my driveway, to get my garage built, or moving to San Diego... either way, this stuffs gotta go! If you want more details on the two LRs leme know, no reasonable offer refused!!!!!! TomW.... ( 408 ) 354-1745 *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Wed Apr 3 01:47:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g336lmm13998 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 01:47:48 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 01:47:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200204030647.g336llH13994@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Toms LandRover Yardsale Blowout Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ok! Its time to clean up my driveway! I have all sorts of stuff up here.. Most of it is for sale. You have pay for everything ( IE: no freebies, and no one person capitalizing on all the stuff )... I'm not looking to make money on most of it.... but don't want to give it away for free. For instance: Series III, all redone, ARB F&R, 3 tops overdrive etc... I want it gone, make me an offer. Forward Control..... F&R Lockers, engine is in shop, but as far I know ready to be put back together ,you buy truck, and pay the engine rebuilder.... Make an offer!!!! I will transport it for you. 5 295/75 BFG all terrains mounted ( new style, almost new condition ) on F350 alloy rims, 2 more as spares unmounted $850 5 35x12.5 SSR's on 15" GCR offset rims fair tread on three, new on two $700 4 stock Porsche Carrera cup 16" rims with Pirelli tires ( tread not great ) $1000 1 pair side fiberglass side skirts for new F series Ford Superduty pickup $50 or ??? 1 pair fiberglass Dually wheel wells, new, never used $100 or ??? Series Landrover 2 1/4 head with rotten chester carb, unkwon condition $100 1983 or 84 Series Transmision from Wise Owl in suposed good gone through condition, blowout @ $500 rear hitch mounted winch holder $50 M9000i winch -really- used may need some maintenance!!! $200 More Coiler LR springs than I can count!!! $5 each Uni Directional Direc PC satelite and control modem $100 More Land Rover parts than I can mention.... Come clean out my basement!!!! Who knows what you'll find!!! Washing machine, Fridge, BIG swamp cooler, older Canondale Mtn Bike. 125 Gallon Fish tank with COMPLETE coral reef Hi tech filtration system, & HO lights.. make offer Old Wind Surfer Engine Stand Engine Puller SG "turned" front radius arms $200 Rockware rear trailing arms $200 Rockware rear dropout spring setup $100 two stock LR coiler diffs ( just diff, no housing ) $100 each or ??? stock LR series diff $75 or ??? Who knows what else you could find!!??? prolly two or three older Pentuims ( no disk drives ) The D90 and other vehicles are NOT for sale! You pick it up! ( except the rovers wich can be delivered if needed ) I'm either clearing my driveway, to get my garage built, or moving to San Diego... either way, this stuffs gotta go! If you want more details on the two LRs leme know, no reasonable offer refused!!!!!! TomW.... ( 408 ) 354-1745 From bens Wed Apr 3 01:47:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g336lqk14012 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 01:47:52 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 01:47:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200204030647.g336lqm14008@minbar.fourfold.org> From: PlaidSkirtChaser@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Toms LandRover Blowout Yardsale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 9 lines filtered. ] ide love to get a salt tank for the disabled adult home i work at How much do you want for it ill run it by my boss =) Matt in Napa > 125 Gallon Fish tank with COMPLETE coral > reef Hi tech filtration system From bens Wed Apr 3 03:05:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3385RP14310 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 03:05:27 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 03:05:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200204030805.g3385Rm14306@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: , Subject: Re: [D90] Toms LandRover Yardsale Blowout Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Oh yeah, A large fully enclosed tent Garage/workshop... make Offer TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Walsh" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 11:02 PM Subject: [D90] Toms LandRover Yardsale Blowout > > > > > Ok! Its time to clean up my driveway! I have all sorts of stuff up here.. > > Most of it is for sale. > > You have pay for everything ( IE: no freebies, and no one person > > capitalizing on all the stuff )... > > I'm not looking to make money on most of it.... but don't want to give it > > away for free. > > For instance: > > > > Series III, all redone, ARB F&R, 3 tops overdrive etc... I want it gone, > > make me an offer. > > Forward Control..... F&R Lockers, engine is in shop, but as far I know > ready > > to be put back together ,you buy truck, and pay the engine > > rebuilder.... Make an offer!!!! I will [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] pickup > > $50 or ??? > > 1 pair fiberglass Dually wheel wells, new, never used $100 or ??? > > Series Landrover 2 1/4 head with rotten chester carb, unkwon condition > $100 > > 1983 or 84 Series Transmision from Wise Owl in suposed good gone through > > condition, blowout @ $500 > > rear hitch mounted winch holder $50 > > M9000i winch -really- used may need some maintenance!!! $200 > > More Coiler LR springs than I can count!!! $5 each [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] & > > HO lights.. make offer > > Old Wind Surfer > > Engine Stand > > Engine Puller > > SG "turned" front radius arms $200 > > Rockware rear trailing arms $200 > > Rockware rear dropout spring setup $100 > > two stock LR coiler diffs ( just diff, no housing ) $100 each or ??? > > stock LR series diff $75 or ??? [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] San > > Diego... either way, this stuffs gotta go! > > > > If you want more details on the two LRs leme know, no reasonable offer > > refused!!!!!! > > > > TomW.... ( 408 ) 354-1745 > > > > > [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Apr 3 11:24:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g33GOKR16831 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:24:20 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:24:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200204031624.g33GOJG16827@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: test-no message Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 13 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" From bens Wed Apr 3 11:45:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g33GjfQ17080 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:45:41 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:45:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200204031645.g33GjeL17076@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Ed Sanman To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Land Rover World features Slade's truck Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I know Mike won't be posting to toot his own horn, so I'll give you the heads up! The new issue of LRW just hit the news stands, and there's a six page article about Mike's Serious One. It's really good reading, and full of photos as well. Ed From bens Wed Apr 3 11:54:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g33GsRk17202 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:54:27 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:54:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200204031654.g33GsQ317198@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: subscribe Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org please subscribe daniel@30harry.com thanks, daniel From bens Wed Apr 3 13:02:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g33I2Xi17757 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:02:33 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:02:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200204031802.g33I2X517753@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "randy katz" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: New Minicooper Sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Oakland Raider Colour Scheme (Black and Silver) Parked on Spear near corner of Folsom, there before 6 AM Very cute! Many people stopping and looking. It is larger than the old mini, but still substantially smaller then the new VW bug. Looks like a blast to drive. I think they just went on sale this week. I also keep seeing a white D-110 coming down Folsom and turning south on the Embarcadero around 6 AM just about every morning. I suspect this is Jason. Randy From bens Wed Apr 3 13:31:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g33IVoD17967 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:31:50 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:31:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200204031831.g33IVoG17963@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Matt Wilson To: "Mendo_Recce (E-mail)" Subject: Was: Wise-Owl over drives Now: Fairey Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I wrote: "....I expect it to be a good show, cant wait to see how it plays out....." Dave G. wrote: That's the spirit! I hope for Ray's sake that everybody on his list has the same attitude. Well Dave, Sorry to let you down, looks like I canceled the show. I bought a Fairey from RDS, Last weekend George had a special on rebuilt overdrives $800 with all hardware. I know they are supposed to be weak, spew oil, and make to much noise... kinda sounds like the 2 ¼ lump that's been pushing Rusty around for the last thirty years... So they should get along :-) I also bought a complete rear end assembly. so I'm going to be busy getting ready for the Joe-Lucas Matt W From bens Wed Apr 3 13:58:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g33IwoV18254 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:58:50 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:58:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200204031858.g33Iwos18250@minbar.fourfold.org> From: FHY To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org, Tom Walsh Subject: Re: Toms LandRover Yardsale Blowout Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Tom, What's the lowest you'll go for the Cannondale? Frank From bens Wed Apr 3 15:06:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g33K6h618770 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 15:06:43 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 15:06:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200204032006.g33K6hs18766@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Wise-Owl over drives Now: Fairey Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Good on ya matt. A bird in the hand, and all that. All things considered, I think 800 is a fair enough price these days. Nothing wrong with the faireys. Just keep an eye on the oil level, and use it as an overdrive, not a gear splitter, and it will give you many years of faithful service. -Dave G. From bens Wed Apr 3 17:22:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g33MMs519796 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:22:54 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:22:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200204032222.g33MMrk19792@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Wise-Owl over drives Now: Fairey Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yep They will give years of service if treated right. Also if you wear earplugs, your ears will last longer too. Bob B who just got back from the highway. At 12:06 PM 4/3/2002, you wrote: >Good on ya matt. A bird in the hand, and all that. > >All things considered, I think 800 is a fair enough price these days. >Nothing wrong with the faireys. Just keep an eye on the oil level, and use >it as an overdrive, not a gear splitter, and it will give you many years of >faithful service. > >-Dave G. From bens Wed Apr 3 20:22:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g341MOm20884 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 20:22:24 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 20:22:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200204040122.g341MOZ20880@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New Minicooper Sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Saw one on Lincoln Bl. in Marina Del Rey yesterday afternoon: yellow with white stripes at Budget Rent-a-Car...they also had a dark green LWB G-Wagon. On the way back from Camarillo this afternoon while climbing the hill on the 101, saw the tropical top of a 109SW parked in front of some industrial biz south of the freeway. Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Thu Apr 4 00:58:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g345wb423267 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 00:58:37 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 00:58:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200204040558.g345wao23263@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org, rovernet@lyris.ccdata.com Subject: Another sighting... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This would be of interest ot a few on the list... Camarillo (Ca.) Airport: not one, but TWO Lockheed Connies - one with tip tanks! Both appeared to be airworthy. I've never seen this many in one place before, except in pictures. I would have sent this to those interested few directly, but since my Juno software crashed, I lost my address book. Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Thu Apr 4 13:53:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g34IrZ026999 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 13:53:35 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 13:53:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200204041853.g34IrYN26995@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Thomas Joyner" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Rover/Buick V8 list Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anyone, Can anyone tell me what the subscribe process is for the Rover/Buick V8 list? I'm in the process of building a 4.2 for my RR and am on a steep learning curve. I need all the help and info I can get! Thanks, Tom 88 RR Durango From bens Thu Apr 4 14:09:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g34J9ps27140 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:09:51 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:09:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200204041909.g34J9p427136@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Rover/Buick V8 list Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I didn't even know there was such a list. If it is not too noisy, I might sign up too. Thomas Joyner wrote: From bens Thu Apr 4 14:16:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g34JGn627186 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:16:49 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:16:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200204041916.g34JGnk27182@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Rover/Buick V8 list Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...I'm in the process of building a 4.2 for my RR and am on a steep learning curve...." Must be. I thought general consensus was that the 4.2 was the LAST one to choose for a build up (of the 5 LR displacements in that block). Maybe I'm thinking of something else.... -Dave G. From bens Thu Apr 4 14:25:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g34JPjq27247 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:25:45 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:25:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200204041925.g34JPjr27243@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Rover/Buick V8 list Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I heard 4.2 was one of the better ones. I have heard rumors that the 4.6s shift their liners, and 3.5s are just too small. On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, Gomes, David wrote: > > "...I'm in the process of building a 4.2 for my RR and am on a steep > learning curve...." > > Must be. I thought general consensus was that the 4.2 was the LAST one to > choose for a build up (of the 5 LR displacements in that block). Maybe I'm > thinking of something else.... > > -Dave G. [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Apr 4 14:37:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g34Jbgj27309 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:37:42 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:37:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200204041937.g34JbfM27305@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Isaac Fain To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Rover/Buick V8 list Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1817024167 i know there are a couple others - just happened upon this browsing ebays TVR listings. cheers, isaac fain seattle, wa --- Thomas Joyner wrote: > > Anyone, > > Can anyone tell me what the subscribe process is for the Rover/Buick V8 > list? I'm in the process of building a 4.2 for my RR and am on a steep > learning curve. I need all the help and info I can get! > > Thanks, > [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From bens Thu Apr 4 16:19:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g34LJtM27956 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:19:55 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:19:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200204042119.g34LJtn27952@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Nur Dum? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bad news for me....The Light Brigade's radiator has started leaking real bad again, and Alfa parts doesn't have one for me yet....I don't want to end up having it blow completely and be a burdon on you guys half-way through the trail, so It'w best that I stay home and wrench on the toys instead. ;-( I'm really bummed, but just dop not trust it right now....and Elgie is making a funny tranny area noice that I need to tear out the floor-boards to find before I do any distance driving.. Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From bens Thu Apr 4 16:30:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g34LUEh28042 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:30:14 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:30:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200204042130.g34LUEf28038@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Nur Dum? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I think I saw a new Disco I radiator on ebay yesterday. Paul Archibald wrote: > > Bad news for me....The Light Brigade's radiator has started > leaking real bad again, and Alfa parts doesn't have one for > me yet....I don't want to end up having it blow completely > and be a burdon on you guys half-way through the trail, so > It'w best that I stay home and wrench on the toys instead. > ;-( > I'm really bummed, but just dop not trust it right > now....and Elgie is making a funny tranny area noice that I [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- James Howard Naval Research Lab Code 7215, NPOI Project RR14, Box 447 Lake Mary Road Flagstaff, AZ 86001 +1-928-773-4868 (voice) +1-928-779-9568 (fax) jhoward@sextans.lowell.edu From bens Thu Apr 4 18:16:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g34NGIx28519 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 18:16:18 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 18:16:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200204042316.g34NGHW28515@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Granny To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Nur Dum? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Paul wrote: > Bad news for me.... Me too, I'm afraid. I had conveniently forgotten that I had a bathroom to remodel in a vacant rental. See you at Mendo. Granny From bens Thu Apr 4 18:28:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g34NSo028573 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 18:28:50 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 18:28:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200204042328.g34NSoa28569@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Nur Dum? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....a bathroom to remodel in a vacant rental...." If that bathroom had old steam radiators you could rip one out, strap it to the front of Paul's Disco, get the bathroom remodeled, and head up to the run together! -Dave G. From bens Thu Apr 4 19:27:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g350RmQ28813 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 19:27:48 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 19:27:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200204050027.g350RlS28809@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Nur Dum? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org hey paul, are back in freakmont, have you seen Joe around ? cheers, fil _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From bens Thu Apr 4 23:00:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3540il29889 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 23:00:44 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 23:00:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200204050400.g3540i829885@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Nur Dum? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks....but they changed them in '96! I think I may end up tearing it out this week-end and taking it in to see if it can be repaired....I see this one has been repaired hmmm paul --- James Howard wrote: > > > I think I saw a new Disco I radiator on ebay yesterday. > > > Paul Archibald wrote: > > > > Bad news for me....The Light Brigade's radiator has > started [ 24 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From bens Thu Apr 4 23:04:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3544R229914 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 23:04:27 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 23:04:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200204050404.g3544R929910@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Nur Dum? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- "Fil F." wrote: > hey paul, > > are back in freakmont, have you seen Joe around ? Yeah! a couple days ago. he is just being low key on the list.....may be going to Mendo with the rest of us, I need to bug him aboot it. paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From bens Thu Apr 4 23:21:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g354Lb630030 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 23:21:37 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 23:21:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200204050421.g354Lbs30026@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Dormobile Status Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well I've run into more than a few snags in the purchase and shipment of my new Dormobile. I've finally worked most things out and "Indiana" left for California this morning at 7:00am. MUCHO! thanks goes to Charles Irvin for picking up my $4500 cashiers check from American Auto Shipping in Camarillo Ca.. He FedEx'd it to the seller to complete the deal at the last minute. Now all I need is my refund from American Auto Shipping and I'll be a happy camper. If everything works out well I should have it between Tuesday and Friday of next week. Hopefully I can get the refund with out an attorney. I've learned a bunch about shipping vehicles, so if anyone wants some good advice, I've learned it the hard way (again). Keith From bens Fri Apr 5 20:13:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g361D5804414 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 20:13:05 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 20:13:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200204060113.g361D5g04410@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Solex question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In resolving my 'induction woes' based on your various feedback I rebuilt the Solex carb, installed a new dizzy (thanks Mehdi!) and a new coil. Poor scientific practice I know, since I changed so many variables... but who knows, maybe I hvnt fixed it either... New problem: The engine is really running great-- smoother, what seems like a tad more power than before, easier starting, etc. BUT, when I stop, say rolling up to a stop sign, the second I disengage the clutch the engine dies. Also noticed that if I decelerate very quickly or stop on a steep downhill, the truck also dies (not on an uphill). At first I though it might be the idle setting, but the deceleration/hill thing makes me think of the float level? Any clues/advice appreciated. Cheers. From bens Fri Apr 5 20:14:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g361EoI04435 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 20:14:50 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 20:14:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200204060114.g361Eo204431@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Attn: Davis Mendo-ites Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rob/John/Walt: What is the date of Picnic Day this year? April 20th? Tks. From bens Fri Apr 5 20:58:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g361wb004604 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 20:58:37 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 20:58:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200204060158.g361waf04600@minbar.fourfold.org> From: jarrodwyrick@mac.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Attn: Davis Mendo-ites Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yes, it is April 20th. -Jarrod live in Vacaville but, in davis almost every day. On Friday, April 5, 2002, at 05:14 PM, Blair Peterson wrote: > > Rob/John/Walt: > > What is the date of Picnic Day this year? April 20th? > > Tks. From bens Fri Apr 5 22:51:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g363pca05101 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 22:51:38 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 22:51:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200204060351.g363pcs05097@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Nur Dum latest! (reverse mud run) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, there might be some mist in the morning but no rain expected. I'm hoping after the past couple weeks of dry weather, we'll have easy / fun hill climbs. A few people have dropped out due to other commitments but I think there are still a few others showing up. If anyone wants to strategize or convoy to the site (or even ride along), give me a call because "digest mode" email won't get to me until Sat pm. Otherwise, we'll see ya all there! Joe Mulqueen 408-348-3688 '67 SIIA 109 SW Cotati, CA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From bens Sat Apr 6 12:31:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g36HVFE09312 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 12:31:15 -0500 Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 12:31:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200204061731.g36HVF309308@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: R380 - 1 or 2 drain plugs? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I couldn't make it to the Nur Dum... still working on the 110. In working with the manual, handbook and a few other sources, they all listed info for the manual tranny as the LT77, the original tranny in the NAS 110. It mentioned that it had two drain plugs, one with a filter. I have the R380 on the 110 now, but can't figure out if it has one or two drain plugs! Sounds silly, but I can't! This is the first time I'm changing the fluid on it... Did the magnetic tipped drain plugs replace the filters used in older LT77 trannies? Also, how much "refuse" is bad on the tips of the drain plugs? When I pulled the plugs out of the transfer case and tranny, they were tipped with a nice little head of metal, like tiny little palm trees in fact, but nothing fell out or anything when it emptied. There was maybe a small thumb tips worth of tiny metal flakes. I assume a reasonable amount of metal shavings on the drain plug tip is acceptable?? Thanks!! Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Sat Apr 6 13:26:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g36IQlT09585 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 13:26:47 -0500 Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 13:26:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200204061826.g36IQkp09581@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shane Ballensky To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: R380 - 1 or 2 drain plugs? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason, guessing from my experience I'd say the metal you found on the plugs is normal. On the R380 I have it has one drain plug which is the large headed bolt at the lowest point on the side of the trans. The fill plug requires a torx size T55. I highly recommend GM synchromesh transmission fluid. -Shane(also wishing he was at the Nur Dum) At 12:31 PM 4/6/02 -0500, you wrote: >In working with the manual, handbook and a few other sources, they all >listed info for the manual tranny as the LT77, the original tranny in the >NAS 110. It mentioned that it had two drain plugs, one with a filter. I have >the R380 on the 110 now, but can't figure out if it has one or two drain >plugs! Sounds silly, but I can't! This is the first time I'm changing the >fluid on it... Did the magnetic tipped drain plugs replace the filters used >in older LT77 trannies? > >Also, how much "refuse" is bad on the tips of the drain plugs? When I pulled [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Apr 7 00:06:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g37564t12153 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 00:06:04 -0500 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 00:06:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200204070506.g37564712149@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Dormobile Status(and other things) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org No problemo Keith...hope it gets here this time. Just to let Tom and others know, I FINALLY got home from Tom's place! Stopped at the SO's on the way back, and stayed there until this afternoon. Along the way, I encountered another new, silver Mini on Highway 198 between NAS Lemoore, and I-5 this morning, a dark blue Freelander on I-405 this evening, a Series II/IIA SWB soft-top in Visalia this afternoon(! - I thought I had the monopoly on Land Rovers in Visalia)...sand in color, though a bit more yellow-ish than Gillian: driver and I waved at one another as we were heading in opposite directions...forgot the street name, but it's a side road along Hwy 198, between Ben Maddox, and Lovers Ln...anybody on the list??? Charles P.S. Thanks, Tom! On Thu, 4 Apr 2002 23:21:37 -0500 Keith Shukait writes: > > Well I've run into more than a few snags in the purchase and > shipment of > my new Dormobile. I've finally worked most things out and "Indiana" > > left for California this morning at 7:00am. MUCHO! thanks goes to > Charles Irvin for picking up my $4500 cashiers check from American > Auto > Shipping in Camarillo Ca.. He FedEx'd it to the seller to complete [ 14 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Sun Apr 7 00:17:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g375HlR13066 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 00:17:47 -0500 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 00:17:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200204070517.g375Hkk13062@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Brian Foster" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: V8 Rovers F/S in Recycler Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Not sure why I am mentioning it, but I thought others might be interested in these (at least I think I remember others interested... I need more coffee!): 1970 ENGLISH ROVER 3500, (TWO!) V8, 4dr, AC, Both runnable w/minor repairs, Both for $3750 (805) 986-2284 There is a picture and they are listed in on www.recycler.com YYMV, Caveat Emptor, I know nothin' 'bout 'em... you get the idea. Brian _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From bens Sun Apr 7 00:21:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g375L3h13098 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 00:21:03 -0500 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 00:21:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200204070521.g375L3W13094@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeremy Bartlett To: mendo Subject: r380 plugs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org 1 drain plug. metal fuzz is normal. no accessible filter (it's internal and requires teardown for removal .... sensible huh? :) ). Jeremy From bens Sun Apr 7 14:27:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g37IRfB16246 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 14:27:41 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 14:27:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200204071827.g37IRef16242@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Now a proud '03 Jeep Rubicon owner Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org During the week prior to Easter, Jeep set up a display featuring their '03 Rubicon factory rock crawler next door to the supermarket in Moab. After getting groceries I walked over to take a look. They displayed a preproduction rolling chassis with suspension & drive train mounted. It was an impressive chunk of factory hardware. Its nice to see that at least one company is out there with a product trying to cater to the off road market. Anyway, while I was there I filled out a coupon for a drawing they were having (one/day for 3 days). When I got home Fri evening I found that I had won! I'm now the proud owner of a genuine '03 Jeep Rubicon folding chair complete with official logos (It got home about a week before I did). Bright yellow, six folding legs, seat swivels, lots of padding, comfy, drink holder in each arm, zipped side bags on each side for your stuff and what appears to be bullet loops on each side. I guess it is just the thing for a two fisted drinker who likes to sit comfortably and plink the empty cans with a 9mm. I'll be the envy of all the Jeepers. The bad news is that I bought a new folding chair just before I left on the trip. Take care, TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Sun Apr 7 14:28:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g37ISAe16265 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 14:28:10 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 14:28:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200204071828.g37ISAQ16261@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Propane valves U.S. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was extremely lucky to run out of propane on the Morning of March 31 while finishing washing my morning dishes. There is a new American federal law that went into effect 1 April that prohibits anyone from filling a propane tank with an old style valve. I would have been in a world of hurt if my propane had lasted one day longer. The new valve has a triangular shaped knob and evidently an integral thingie to keep the tank from being over filled (built in pop valve??). It is my understanding that the new valves can be retrofitted onto older propane tanks at propane shops. I will probably have to have my tank pressure tested when the new valve is added. If memory serves Federal regulations require testing every 12 years and I know it has not been done during the 24 years I have owned the Green Rover. Just an FYI assuming no one on the list mentioned it during the last 3 weeks while I was out & about. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Sun Apr 7 18:33:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g37MX3v17773 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 18:33:03 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 18:33:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200204072233.g37MX2J17769@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Ogilvie" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Propane valves U.S. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Are you sure its not just a friendly gift from your local California environmentalist, trial lawyer or consumer product advocate. Haven't filled a tank in the last couple of weeks but when I did, no one mentioned any new hardware regulations. Know there was some stupid O ring tank valve piece of trash that came on one tank I bought. Assumed it was a California generated 'improvement' as the seller has a California home base. Typical environmental engineering, nice seal until you inadvertantly overtighten and rip up the O ring. Then it leaks like a sieve. A 5 minute fix for a 10 year problem. Aloha Peter O. >From: TeriAnn Wakeman >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: " mendo rec list" >Subject: Propane valves U.S. >Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 14:28:10 -0400 > >I was extremely lucky to run out of propane on the Morning of March 31 >while finishing washing my morning dishes. > [ 28 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Aloha Peter Ogilvie Kona Coffee Rover 1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering from exposure of the dark side. 1966 109 pickup 'slime' In my garage since '90, finally running. 1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava. 196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Sun Apr 7 18:53:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g37MrtV17862 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 18:53:55 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 18:53:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200204072253.g37Mrth17858@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Propane valves U.S. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yes, the law is changed. California or nationwide, I don't know, but my propane barbecue tank is on its last fill. The Dormie tanks are what I am worried about. cheers, >Are you sure its not just a friendly gift from your local California >environmentalist, trial lawyer or consumer product advocate. Haven't filled >a tank in the last couple of weeks but when I did, no one mentioned any new >hardware regulations. > >Know there was some stupid O ring tank valve piece of trash that came on one >tank I bought. Assumed it was a California generated 'improvement' as the >seller has a California home base. Typical environmental engineering, nice >seal until you inadvertantly overtighten and rip up the O ring. Then it [ 34 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Sun Apr 7 20:02:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3802kG18164 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 20:02:46 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 20:02:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200204080002.g3802kv18160@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Propane valves U.S. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yup also the taller ones in my Fifth wheel trailer are now outdated. But the modification that TeriAnn mentioned might not be enough. There is a lot of info on various websites such as Camper World. The new tanks apparently have a float to shut off the fill up while there is still safe headroom. Bob B At 03:53 PM 4/7/2002, you wrote: >Yes, the law is changed. California or nationwide, I don't know, but >my propane barbecue tank is on its last fill. The Dormie tanks are >what I am worried about. > >cheers, > > > >Are you sure its not just a friendly gift from your local California > >environmentalist, trial lawyer or consumer product advocate. Haven't filled [ 18 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Apr 7 21:33:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g381XTX18551 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 21:33:29 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 21:33:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200204080133.g381XTO18547@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: April 6 Nur Dum (reverse mud run) trip report Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Friday night I was starting to think everyone had bailed out of this latest mud run, so when I got to the Sat morning meeting point in downtown Fort Bragg, I was planning what I'd do for the rest of the day (by myself!). 9:50 am had gone by when I heard a faint "any Land Rovers?" on my CB. It turned out to be Casey McCallum in his red '72 SIII 88! He was transmitting from Hwy 20 near Hwy 1 - nearly 2 miles away. His call coming through my cheap CB immediately put a smile to my face and Casey, his girlfriend Linda and I quickly met up. Shortly past 10:00 we concluded our two SERIES trucks would be the only ones to attempt Sherwood Road. All other Land Rovers had dropped out for one reason or another. [Hmmm..!] Both trucks had MT tires (mine 2 days old!) but neither had a winch. Our recovery gear consisted of a Highlift jack, a couple recovery straps, a 20' chain, a few shackles and a long handled shovel. Everything we had was soon to be needed and used. Our first challenge was to attempt that first long (150'?), muddy grade. Most of the very rutted and sloggy areas of Sherwood Road are still there but conditions have dried out a bit and many ruts have been chopped up and some swamps are now simple puddles. This grade, though, was still a challenge. We used various strategies but gave up after approx 45 minutes in the deep, sticky muck. We then decided to try the bypass (that has its own challenges) but soon realized a downed tree blocked the top entry. We then spent another ½ hour trying to bypass the bypass. No luck! We found a dry spot and broke for lunch just past 1:00. We were resigning ourselves to failure when we decided to try the long grade a few more times. Lurching Rovers with screaming engines couldn't overcome the hill due to lost traction and frequent high centering. We shoveled "tons" of muck and earth using the "cut the berm, fill the ruts" technique which ended in mixed results. We then said - what the hell let's try winching using a strap, Highlift, and the chain! Having a strap in the equation meant lots of "stretchy" frustration but we soon adapted and successfully ratcheted my 109 up to dry ground. It took the use of 4 different anchor trees and numerous jacking cycles but we made it happen. I could then clean my tires in order to tug Casey's 88 up the last part of same section. We needed the full length of two straps and the 20' chain to perform the tugging. The other tricky parts of Sherwood road were still severe enough to provide challenge and fun. We hammered our trucks pretty well. Casey got tippy on 3 wheels a couple times giving Linda a few things to talk about and we both received some minor sill damage - but it was all in fun! I have to say, I'm very pleased how my parabolic springs and new KM style BFG MTs held up to the thrashing. We later made it into Willits after dark and had a beer at a cool bohemian type pub then dinner at a neighboring restaurant. A great time! Joe Mulqueen '67 Land Rover SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From bens Sun Apr 7 21:58:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g381wWh18669 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 21:58:32 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 21:58:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200204080158.g381wWW18665@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Propane valves U.S. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I feel for you guys that have to deal with retrofitting older tanks. Luckily for me I just got done purchasing new ones (one 5 gal. mounted in the trailer, and one portable 2 gal.), so I have the newest valves/hardware. Couldn't you argue 'historic authenticity' or some such BS for the Dormie John? I don't think it'd be that critical for TeriAnn, but the pain of purchasing new stuff and finding time to put it on would be inconvenient for sure. *sigh* Michael PS Where did you go and how was your trip TeriAnn???? Pics????? (dare I ask...) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Sun Apr 7 23:22:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g383MQQ19206 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 23:22:26 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 23:22:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200204080322.g383MPJ19202@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Propane valves U.S. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Are you sure its not just a friendly gift from your local California >environmentalist, I was in South Eastern Utah at the time. and the person made a big deal of it being a new Fedral regulation. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Sun Apr 7 23:23:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g383Ns619222 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 23:23:54 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 23:23:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200204080323.g383Ns019218@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Propane valves U.S. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >Yes, the law is changed. California or nationwide, I don't know, but >my propane barbecue tank is on its last fill. The Dormie tanks are >what I am worried about. I think your local propane shop (not just a filler station) can revalve your tanks for you. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Sun Apr 7 23:32:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g383WST19282 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 23:32:28 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 23:32:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200204080332.g383WSY19278@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Eric Wilcox To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: 110/Airstream Siting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sunday, at 2:45pm as I was heading East on Sir Francis Drake Blvd. in San Geronimo, a 110 pulling an Airstream blew past me going West. Unless Chris Dow has updated his, I believe it was someone else (the Airstream had a blue stripe on it). It all happened so fast that there is a slight chance it was a white D90 Station Wagon, but pretty sure it was a 110. Anyone? Eric Wilcox 1993 D110 NAS "Jerry" From bens Mon Apr 8 00:06:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3846Da19675 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 00:06:13 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 00:06:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200204080406.g3846DX19671@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Propane valves U.S. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I had heard wispers of this a couple m onths ago, and it made me think back to my last fill-up. I had filled the five-year old one, and they refused to fill teh thirty? year old one w/o it going back to be tested. said I should just guy a new modern one at home depot or wherever, and just trade it in every time... Rand mode on here... ....than I hear about this new regulation as well...THIS IS FUQUED UP! (pardon the language!) the newer one are absolute garbage and I swear I could puncture one with a screw-driver with a good strike...definately with a claw hammer or ax. The old ones are extremely thick and heavy-duty and will not easilly break....the newer ones fall over easilly, they do not stand-up as easy, the top protector panel is barely tack-welded on and will breakoff easilly...etc.. I want to be able to go to suburban propane and have the old one re-certifies, but if they require more than new valving system we all are hosed....and have to spend lotsa cash on new ones to make them all happy.(smells like the MTBE conspiracy we are all paying for for another few years...) I can't imagine that they could do this as the big RV tanks are really expensive, and I know of a few of y'all with a few ov them. I will be heading to subhurban soon so maybe will know after that trip. I can imagine if I had converted elgie to Propane last year, like I had threatened, I'd be screwed, as the auto propane systems probably don't adhere to that rules... paul --- TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > > > > >Yes, the law is changed. California or nationwide, I > don't know, but > >my propane barbecue tank is on its last fill. The > Dormie tanks are > >what I am worried about. > > I think your local propane shop (not just a filler [ 16 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From bens Mon Apr 8 00:17:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g384H6F20594 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 00:17:06 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 00:17:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200204080417.g384H5H20590@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: April 6 Nur Dum (reverse mud run) trip report Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Joe & Casey, We're so proud of you! Great job and makes all LROs proud, especially those with Series rigs. Wish I'd been there! If I had, we'd still have been without a winch, although I do have an industrial-grade come-along. It's a little quicker than a Hi-Lift jack. What's cool is that you showed what can be done without a lot of fancy stuff. V. cool! Granny From bens Mon Apr 8 00:36:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g384av520806 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 00:36:57 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 00:36:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200204080436.g384api20802@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Propane valves U.S. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Couldn't you argue 'historic authenticity' or some such BS for the Dormie >John? I don't think it'd be that critical for TeriAnn, but the pain of >purchasing new stuff and finding time to put it on would be inconvenient for >sure. I have a built in horizontal mount tank In order to fit, a new tank would need similar dimensions and the same mounting. John's Dormie carrier, I believe can fit a pair of standard round 2.5 gal tanks. >PS Where did you go and how was your trip TeriAnn???? Pics????? (dare I >ask...) Some pics. Not developed yet as I just got home. East through Nevada, found a section of the old truckee trail and followed it instead of hwy 80. Spent a little time sight seeing around road 21 near Fruita Co. Found some trails not on any of my maps in the San Rafael Swell area of Utah, Ran the Mormon wagon trail route of 1880, Poked around some of the trails in the new Grand Staircase Escalante National Monument, another trail outside Blanding, toured Monument Valley, Kodachome basin & Brice yet again. I hung out around MOAB during Jeep Safari (week Seven mile rim trail, Kane Creek Canyon trail, Klondike Bluffs, Tower arch via willow springs plus a couple others) and spent half a day checking out the off road parts dealers & winning my new chair. I think once was enough for me visiting the Moab Jeep Safari. All I can say is been there done that, ran a number of trails, been blasted by megawatt radios out in the trail, forced off a steep uphill trail section by an idiot in a Blazer who decided there was room.. sorta, to go down while I was making the climb, passed lines of 50 plus vehicles trying to run trails I was on in the opposite direction. I stayed for the Saturday leaving parade and headed out of town on the tarmac South. No way in the world was I going back on a trail with all those people out there stopped waiting for the next vehicle to move past an obstacle so they could move up on in the 50 vehicle que waiting to drive that obstacle. Heard that Timm was there & put the Series I 109 on it's cab. I assume he & it were OK. My rough guess is that there was about 20 Series, Defender & Range Rovers there that week. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Mon Apr 8 00:43:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g384hMl20839 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 00:43:22 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 00:43:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200204080443.g384hMd20835@minbar.fourfold.org> From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Propane valves U.S. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TerriAnn, You wrote: Nathan Hindman was there in his Disco for part of it, he said there were a buncha drunk wheelers, including a group of lamebrains in a fullsize pickup with a can of gas in the bed that was leaking, and people riding back there smoking and, because they were drunk (plus probably stupid when sober as well) they were throwing their cigarette butts into the bed. He turned around and went back to town. Rest of your trip sounded very fun - thanks for brightening the lives of at least one deskbound shut-in. Craig > > I think once was enough for me visiting the Moab Jeep Safari. All I can > say is been there done that, ran a number of trails, been blasted by > megawatt radios out in the trail, forced off a steep uphill trail section > by an idiot in a Blazer who decided there was room.. sorta, to go down > while I was making the climb, passed lines of 50 plus vehicles trying to > run trails I was on in the opposite direction. I stayed for the Saturday > leaving parade and headed out of town on the tarmac South. No way in the > world was I going back on a trail with all those people out there stopped [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Apr 8 04:06:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3886g221636 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 04:06:42 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 04:06:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200204080806.g3886g421632@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Propane valves U.S. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ahhhh, I see you've been to my ol' stomping grounds! You should have said something, I could hook you up with some of the lesser seen of the lesser seen areas out there. Oh well, you'll be out there again I predict. Timm's ok, his truck is ok, and he has a story to tell people. I guess that's a good thing??? ;) Michael _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Mon Apr 8 09:32:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g38DWoq22896 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:32:50 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:32:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200204081332.g38DWnv22892@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Now a proud '03 Jeep Rubicon owner Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....six folding legs, seat swivels, lots of padding, comfy, drink holder in each arm, zipped side bags on each side for your stuff and what appears to be bullet loops on each side....." Call Gordon K. He'd probably trade you his range rover for it. :^) -Dave G. From bens Mon Apr 8 09:41:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g38DfDE22956 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:41:13 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:41:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200204081341.g38DfDN22952@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: April 6 Nur Dum (reverse mud run) trip report Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Good job Joe. Sure beats "bypassing the bypass" as that's what gets trails closed around here. Hi-lift winching with a strap..... In the dictionary next to the word "determination" there's a picture of THAT! :^)) Very cool. -Dave G. From bens Mon Apr 8 09:45:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g38Djoq23049 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:45:50 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:45:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200204081345.g38Djou23045@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: April 6 Nur Dum (reverse mud run) trip report Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Oh yeah, If you're traveling w/o a winch, pick yourself up a 50' or so length of that polymer winch cable with eyes in both ends. It doesn't stretch, doesn't whip if it breaks, and stores in a tiny space compared to the old coiled-wire-rope-in-a-motorcycle-tire approach. Matter of fact, this stuff could probably be set up with mid-line loops at hi-lift-friendly intervals for just such a purpose....Hmmmmm..... -Dave G. From bens Mon Apr 8 09:50:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g38DoM523202 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:50:22 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:50:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200204081350.g38DoMr23198@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: RE: Now a proud '03 Jeep Rubicon owner Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >"....six folding legs, seat swivels, lots of padding, comfy, >drink holder in each arm, zipped side bags on each side for your stuff >and what appears to be bullet loops on each side....." > >Call Gordon K. He'd probably trade you his range rover for it. :^) The chair is yellow. I think Gordon would want a camo one. Even the two tone gray and yellow case has a heavy duty rubberized bottom, external zippered pockets, a wide padded shoulder strap and the official Jeep Rubicon logo. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Mon Apr 8 10:28:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g38ESHi23424 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 10:28:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 10:28:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200204081428.g38ESGd23420@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Propane valves U.S. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I want to be able to go to suburban propane and have the >old one re-certifies, but if they require more than new valving system we all are hosed... Paul and others, yes that's the system. I was told that there is a place in woodland or up I5 that re-certifies tanks, but it costs more than a new tank. Since TeriAnn mentioned stock 2.5 gallon propane tanks, I'll do a google and see if they really exist. I've never seen one. cheers, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Mon Apr 8 10:54:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g38EsQA23575 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 10:54:26 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 10:54:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200204081454.g38EsQU23571@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: April 6 Nur Dum (reverse mud run) trip report Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...I'm not too keen on that idea...isn't that how John Cranfield lost an eye last year??? Charles On Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:41:13 -0400 "Gomes, David" writes: > > Good job Joe. Sure beats "bypassing the bypass" as that's what gets > trails > closed around here. Hi-lift winching with a strap..... In the > dictionary > next to the word "determination" there's a picture of THAT! :^)) > Very > cool. > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Mon Apr 8 10:54:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g38EsrQ23590 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 10:54:53 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 10:54:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200204081454.g38Esrc23586@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Propane valves U.S/TW Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TeriAnn, I'm suprised I didn't see you as I was passing through town! The SO and I went up to Dave G.'s place to pick up his engine, and we went through Moab in my Rangie that very week. Didn't see any Series trucks at all, but did see a light blue Rangie for sale on the northbound side of the main road, and saw 3 'Mogs in town. That day we drove upto Grand Junction, Co. Charles On Mon, 8 Apr 2002 00:36:51 -0400 TeriAnn Wakeman writes: > > > Some pics. Not developed yet as I just got home. > > East through Nevada, found a section of the old truckee trail and > followed it instead of hwy 80. Spent a little time sight seeing > around > road 21 near Fruita Co. Found some trails not on any of my maps in > the [ 41 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Mon Apr 8 11:16:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g38FGJJ23715 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:16:19 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:16:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200204081516.g38FGIT23711@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: panhard bushings... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The front end vibration was caused by the panhard rod being slightly loose. Since I had them on-hand, I replace the bushings Friday night and the test ride showed a substanial improvement. Now all I need to do if find someone to balance the tires and it'll be almost perfect. I may tackle the radius arms next although I think I'll find someone to press the old ones out rather than sweating, cursing, drilling, and sawing them out like I did on the panhard. Thanks to all who offered suggestions! Gerry _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Mon Apr 8 11:37:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g38FbfA23845 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:37:41 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:37:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200204081537.g38FbfO23841@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Moab during Easter Jeep Safari week Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Nathan Hindman was there in his Disco for part of it, he said there were a >buncha drunk wheelers, including a group of lamebrains in a fullsize >pickup There were all kinds of people with all kinds of experience, all kinds of personal reasons for being there and all kinds of rigs. The Green Rover had a coil (less than 3 years old) go out. I hadn't a clue as to what it was. After changing out the 2 plus year old spark plugs, new cap, rotor and fuel filter I went to a mechanic down town for trouble shooting so I could get back on the trail quickly. I haven't had experience trouble shooting the new electronic ignition system so professional help seemed to be in order. The mechanic decided it must be the ignition resister wire (so much for profesional trouble shooting) and ordered one (arrived the next day). So I got to spend from Noon one day 'till noon the next with a front row seat (dining room and bed room) on Moab's main street. Hwy 191 through Moab was like a major city street when everyone was trying to get somewhere else. It was a constant 4X4 parade kept up way into the late night. One thing I noticed was there were a number of 4X4s that I saw frequently. The owners seemed to be dragging the main all day. As I watched the traffic, I made up new words to the song "Super Skier". "They called him Super Jeeper" There was one Jeep that I kept seeing that had a black rectangular bar sticking up a good 4 feet above the receiver with a big basket on it. The basket was loaded with a large red ice chest & what appeared to be other heavy things. I kept wondering how long that moment arm would survive off road back and forth movement with that heavy weight at the top. OK so I was bored waiting for the part to arrive. A number of 4X4s went by being towed by recovery gear or with missing engines that sounded as bad or worse than mine. Lots of boom da da boom base beats from stereos with high power sub wolfers (heard several on the trail too long before I saw the vehicle). There were very impressive looking rigs everywhere you looked. One day when I came out of the grocery store there was a highly modified Toyota mini pickup minus the original bed parked next to me. I couldn't help but notice the exposed rear suspension and asked how that rear shock arrangement worked for him. He said he didn't know yet. The rebuild was just barely finished in time for him to make this event. But he would find out soon because he was in the group doing poison spider that day. All the garages had their parking lots full of 4X4s in que for repairs and the auto parts store on main street seemed always full of 4X4s with people getting parts ("Back again?" "Yes I need a new coil this time") I spent a couple nights camping in Kane Creek Canyon as well as hitting a couple trails out there. The road that goes out there from 191 has a McDonalds and Burger King at the corner. Every time I went past that intersection both parking lots were jammed full of 4X4s and people having a party. My overall impression is that Moab Jeep Safari week is a BIG spring break party/circus like event that has something for everyone and dumps a lot of money into the city businesses. No matter what your inclination there is something there for you... except quiet and open trails to run. It draws from every walk of 4X4 life; party animals, wanna be's, neophytes, fabrication experimenters, yahoos, competent off roaders, casual off roaders, the curious, you name it. I particularly enjoyed the tech fair with the off road parts venders. Being able to look at products and ask the developers questions. Found a real nice Dana 60 diff guard that should fit a Salisbury nicely, got instructions on how to choose the correct shock for a custom mount from the Rancho factory people, learned how to manually break a tyre bead for field tyre repairs, Played with a nifty compact propane water heater and lots of other things. Brought home a big plastic bag full of catalogues and handouts. Had a B.F. Goodrich rep explain the differences between the new mud terrains vs the old version I have been using. Got a list of tyre sizes of different heights that would fit my 7" wide steel Discovery rims. Finally found out what the heck bead locks do and that there is a company that could take existing standard rims and convert them to beadlock with your choice of beadlock colours no less. For me it was a chance to look at different leaf spring suspension designs & ask questions, people watch and a tech fair. But the volume of people and level of partying and noise overwhelmed me. Each day the trails got increasingly more crowded and when the Blazer forced me off the trail in the middle of a steep, medium technical climb on Thursday I decided that the Moab trails were not the place for me to be. Friday was spent at the tech fair, doing laundry and basic maintenance and I was headed South towards Arizona Saturday morning right after the parade. I like Moab much better without the circus. But it was a sight to see. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Mon Apr 8 11:41:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g38FfNv23890 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:41:23 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:41:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200204081541.g38FfNO23886@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Propane valves U.S. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Timm's ok, his truck is ok, and he has a story to tell people. I guess >that's a good thing??? ;) Must be. A guy I talked to at the Advanced Adaptor booth seems to think Timm will be moving to Paso Robles in the near future. Know anything about that?? TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Mon Apr 8 11:45:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g38FjHg23932 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:45:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:45:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200204081545.g38FjHi23928@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Propane valves U.S. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Paul and others, yes that's the system. I was told that there is a >place in woodland or up I5 that re-certifies tanks, but it costs more >than a new tank. Since TeriAnn mentioned stock 2.5 gallon propane >tanks, I'll do a google and see if they really exist. I've never >seen one. I've seen them at a Outsider RV discount store and I think a couple other places. As I recall they looked about the size of your tanks. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Mon Apr 8 11:55:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g38FtJ624039 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:55:19 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:55:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200204081555.g38FtIL24035@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: panhard bushings... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....rather than sweating, cursing, drilling, and sawing them out like I did on the panhard....." See, now I would look at it as an excuse to buy a Porta-Power.... :^))) And I think I WILL since I have to do the "bushing thing" on Cheryl's rangie soon. -Dave G. From bens Mon Apr 8 12:12:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g38GCAs24180 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 12:12:10 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 12:12:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200204081612.g38GCAs24176@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: bead locks, resistors, and Utah Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...there is a company that could take existing standard rims and convert them to beadlock with your choice of beadlock colours no less..." For those interested, I recently added a nice post to the Beadlock area of the Wheels section of the FAQ at http://www.d-90.com/faq/index.html where a guy had outlined a bunch of different beadlock-type options in addition to the one above. So your Ford setup uses a resistance wire, TeriAnn? I thought only GM was that silly. At least yours isn't buried in the harness like the one that crapped on my 76 cutlass was. The jury is out on whether it's better to have the resistance in the wire, where it's better protected, or in a simple ballast resistor that's easy to change, or maintain a redundant setup for quick change. Shoot, for the cost of components in your system, you could maintain a whole redundant ignition system (except dizzy) for a "flip of the switch" change-over, a-la racing setups. :^) Thanks for the EJS tapestry. If anyone has recommendations for off-beat areas to check out along the way, I'll have a spare day to kill between Bailey and Great Basin NP when I drive some friends out there this fall. I'm planning to take them through BCOTG to Montrose, Then over the pass roads to the CO border and into the Moab area. Not sure where to go after that.... It's not hard to find "something" to do, but if any of you all more familiar with the area can recommend something special, I'd give it a try. -Dave G. From bens Mon Apr 8 14:34:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g38IYEp24930 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:34:14 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:34:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200204081834.g38IYDr24926@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Ogilvie" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: April 6 Nur Dum (reverse mud run) trip report Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Believe John was jacking up the rear of a truck when his accident happened. Apparently the locking pin on the jack didn't fully seat and popped out allowing the handle to swing up which was stopped by his skull. In any case, be very careful using a HiLift, they have lots of ways to hurt you. Aloha Peter O. >From: Charles R Irvin >...I'm not too keen on that idea...isn't that how John Cranfield lost an >eye last year??? >Charles > >On Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:41:13 -0400 "Gomes, David" > writes: > > > > Good job Joe. Sure beats "bypassing the bypass" as that's what gets [ 15 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Mon Apr 8 15:05:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g38J5f425095 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:05:41 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:05:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200204081905.g38J5eA25091@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Moab during Easter Jeep Safari week Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TeriAnn, Great trip report/story, I enjoyed reading it! Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Mon Apr 8 15:07:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g38J70d25118 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:07:00 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:07:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200204081907.g38J70e25114@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: r380 plugs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks Shane and Jermey for your help with my R380 question! Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Apr 9 01:00:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3950vv29225 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 01:00:57 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 01:00:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200204090500.g3950vR29221@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: calling John Hong Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi John, If you are seeing this, please answer back. Could somebody please send me his email address please in case hw doesn't see this? Thanks, Bob B From bens Tue Apr 9 13:09:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g39H9nj32468 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:09:49 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:09:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200204091709.g39H9nI32463@minbar.fourfold.org> From: StevHutch@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 50 jeeps in line Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 14 lines filtered. ] Gadzooks... What are these people thinking..? Thats not offroading..thats parking. If I wanted to be in a traffic jam I could stay home on the I-80. > No way in the > world was I going back on a trail with all those people out there stopped > waiting for the next vehicle to move past an obstacle so they could move > up on in the 50 vehicle que waiting to drive that obstacle. > From bens Tue Apr 9 13:09:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g39H9op32475 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:09:50 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:09:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200204091709.g39H9nb32471@minbar.fourfold.org> From: StevHutch@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Propane Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 13 lines filtered. ] Yes...A good way to get a new one, like I did last year, is to take your old tank to Home Depot and exchange it for a refilled newer one. I got my old one from the dump for $3.00 all nasty , rusty. My friend in the RV biz says the new ones are a pain when being refilled as they now will not hold as much, and most places have this stupid min. charge so you end up paying for gas that didn't go into your tank. Someone should pass a law saying you cannot be charged except for the gas you actually buy. Gasoline stations don't have minimum fill requirements right, nor do grocery stores when you buy just a few ounces of a vegtable that is .50 a lb. Grumble, grumble. - Steve Hutchins > The new tanks apparently have a float to shut off the fill up while there > From bens Tue Apr 9 13:21:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g39HLou32555 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:21:50 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:21:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200204091721.g39HLnk32551@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Matt Wilson To: "Mendo_Recce (E-mail)" Subject: advice on kitting out 89 RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Last year after Mendo, I said I was bummed I didn't ask Granny more questions about RR's. He responded with "ask away" Well one year later I finally bought a RR. Monday the fifteenth I pick up a 1989 RR county classic. So now I'm asking! (Every one feel free to chime in) I have listed my purchases in order of importance and I'll work my way down until I'm out cash. First; Known car history bought new in Santa Barbara in 1989, now has 130,000 miles. Dealer serviced through warranty then serviced at East west motors. Original owners manual with stamps owner has stack of receipts also. I used John Brabyn's site to educate myself and took it with me to look over the truck. All electrical stuff works, looks like the steering box has been replaced etc. car sifts smooth and engine seems strong... Second; I intend to use the truck for the following, Mohave road, Downieville, Baja California, etc. so I would say moderate off road. Oh yeah, I want to do the Mud-Run! Or the nur-dum 1, Manuals, the green bible has been fantastic for the series III. should I buy the loose leaf binder model $145 or can I get by with the bound European edition? 2, Springs (trucks sagging in the right rear now) Medium OME springs and shocks? A little bird told me BP is going to have a sale, 2A, Bushings, stock, or the blue poly? 3, Tires (Ok I know this subject has been beaten to death, but I'm still confused) what about BFG mud terrains LT235/85R 16E? To big? To small? To loud? Tire selection is where I really need the help. 4, Front bumper ARB or Safari guard? I'm leaning towards the ARB from a cost stand point. (I tend to hit things on the trail :-)) 5, steering protection, what to do? 6, Rock sliders, Recommendations? I'm leaning towards making my own. 7, Rear bumper, I am trying to find one that has a swinging gate for a spare tire and gas can. Well I'm out of money now! Thanks for your input, and I hope to see a lot of you at Joe-Lucas. Matt W PS Granny one more question, We want to leave cedar camp on Sunday and drive over to the 101 (planning on making this trip, a trans-Mendo) can you recommend a route? From bens Tue Apr 9 13:46:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g39HknA32726 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:46:49 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:46:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200204091746.g39HknX32722@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: advice on kitting out 89 RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org <<<4, Front bumper ARB or Safari guard? I'm leaning towards the ARB from a cost stand point. (I tend to hit things on the trail :-)) I too am leaning toward ARB, but ARB told me mounting a Ramsey RE winch would be difficult. I really like the RE10000 that is on Regent and would like to put the RE12000 on the Rangie. Either that or a mile marker.... <<<<<<5, steering protection, what to do? I just Ordered RN, steering protector. Pricey, Very nicely built, but I used my Restoration credit, and it was free. <<<<<<6, Rock sliders, Recommendations? I'm leaning towards making my own. Again I got a pair of RN sliders. A long angry story, but I got a good price, and a nice setup. <<<<<<<7, Rear bumper, I am trying to find one that has a swinging gate for a spare tire and gas can. Let me know what you find, I like the looks of the East Coast Rover rear bumper, and it leaves the stock hitch in place. -Rob P.S. Lucas is visiting my Trailer harness. I take it to the dealer and it works, I take it home and it doesn't GRRRR From bens Tue Apr 9 13:52:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g39HqnS32757 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:52:49 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:52:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200204091752.g39Hqnc32753@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: advice on kitting out 89 RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Good list Matt, IMHO. Springs - OME MDs are great. Shocks - unless this will be a dedicated trail rig, IMHO, Bilsteins will give the best overall performance and life. Bushings - stick w. stock Tires - 235/85 is too big unless you want to cut the wings. Think 215/85. Bumper - SG will give better clearance, ARB better protection in overall (Downtown to Baja) use, but I'd check with Rockware if I were looking for one. I can give him my rangie as a template if he needs one. And if it were me, I'd stop there, go wheeling, and upgrade according to need. Maybe consider a roof rack, the LR has about zero internal room with more than two passengers. Save some money for the LR stuff that's going to break. (Do records show head gaskets, water pump, alternator, cam, rockers, timing set? These things are on my agenda for replacement before 150k, based mostly on experience of friends on this and other lists) -Dave G. From bens Tue Apr 9 16:23:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g39KNZP01412 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:23:35 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:23:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200204092023.g39KNZF01408@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: advice on kitting out 89 RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org hi matt, i have a 91 rr gde - tires 215 - dunlop radial rover r/t, like them a lot, - SG rock sliders and diff guards - Bear mach full size roof rack - got this at the old British Bulldog - i used Bilstein shock and steering dampers - yellow poly bush bushing , a bit hard ride if not loaded - LR heavy duty coil springs - 2 set of PIAA off road lights - use synthetic oil - Amsoil or Redline - no sway bars - this model has no sway bar - no air dam also i have 150,000 miles since new happy rovering _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Tue Apr 9 16:45:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g39KjGD01544 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:45:16 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:45:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200204092045.g39KjGU01540@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. winching up Sherwood Rd with Highlift Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This is how it was done: Casey's 20 ft of chain was placed between the truck and the jack with the recovery strap going from the jack to a tree. The strap was folded and wrapped around the tree multiple times to keep it as short and "thick" as possible. However, due to the surrounding terrain being much higher than the road, the jack did end up being 3-4' in the air. To make an efficient connection, one person would support the jack in the air while the other person would take up the chain slack, and then secure it. We could then ratchet the jack through its range 3-4 times before needing to undo everything and move up the hill to a better positioned tree. Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From bens Tue Apr 9 20:30:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3A0UUm02659 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 20:30:30 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 20:30:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200204100030.g3A0UUv02651@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: RE: advice on kitting out 89 RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Springs - OME MDs are great. >Shocks - unless this will be a dedicated trail rig, IMHO, Bilsteins will >give the best overall performance and life. I'm a fan of using shocks matched to the spring rate. I suspect OME shocks would work best with OME springs. BP seems to have a decent tie rod protector and I *think* their price is at the low end of the resellers on this item. Why not wait on sliders until you decided they are really needed. Best of luck with the new beastie. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Tue Apr 9 20:30:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3A0UVk02660 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 20:30:31 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 20:30:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200204100030.g3A0UUU02655@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: 50 jeeps in line Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Gadzooks... > What are these people thinking..? Thats not offroading..thats parking. >If I wanted to be in a traffic jam I could stay home on the I-80. > >> No way in the >> world was I going back on a trail with all those people out there stopped >> waiting for the next vehicle to move past an obstacle so they could move >> up on in the 50 vehicle que waiting to drive that obstacle. Egzactly why I checked the schedule each morning for trails not being run that day. One morning leaving my overnight camp heading towards town I encountered a very long line of 4X4s parked along the side of the trail gathering for an official trail run (one side in the bush, one side almost to the middle of a one lane trail). People were standing around everywhere. There was a full size pickup ahead of me going my way who had to drive about 1/3rd off trail and had some problems with deep sand where he had to go farther off to avoid hitting people standing around in the trail. Like a good kid I waited for the truck to finish the parked vehicle obstacle before going through. I had stopped just short of a small gully and stream. Darned if there were not a half dozen people who stood in the trail to photograph my Land Rover taking the mighty 8 inch or so deep stream. I started up, hit the horn to get the people out of the trail and went through past the line in high first. Had to hit the horn a couple times but did not slow nor veer off the trail, but a whole mess of people scrambled to get out of the trail & stand in between their parked vehicles (yes my temper was hot & tolerance low at that moment). Heck even sheep know to get out of the way of an oncoming vehicle. I mean oncoming traffic on a narrow trail...what were they thinking standing in the remaining half width of the trail with an oncoming vehicle???? As I got past there was another batch of around 20ish vehicles pulling into the back of the que that I got to wait for. My guess is that run went out with the neighborhood of 75 vehicles. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Tue Apr 9 23:57:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3A3vqt03486 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 23:57:52 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 23:57:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200204100357.g3A3vph03482@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: advice on kitting out 89 RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Matt, Congratulations! I'm glad you got one! > 1, Manuals, the green bible has been fantastic for the series III. should I > buy the loose leaf binder model $145 or can I get by with the bound European > edition? I got the euro one and it's v. hard to use and doesn't have all the right info. I recommend shopping for best price on the NAS one, without binder, if you want to save a few buck. Can redrill it for a standard 3-ring binder. > 2, Springs (trucks sagging in the right rear now) Medium OME springs and > shocks? A little bird told me BP is going to have a sale, BP will strongly recommend the OME dampers if you are going with the OME springs. I like Bilsteins but only with relatively fresh springs. I got my Bils when my springs were a bit tired and the resulting ride was a bit harsh. Later, I replaced all the springs with stock (but all driver's side, rather than "sided"), soft poly bushes, and a new Boge strut. I'm quite happy with the results. When I was heavily loaded on a five-day desert trip recently (tracing the Tonapah-Tidewater RR route from Ludlow, CA to Goldfield, NV), I considered that next time around I might go for the OME medium springs after all. I'd been reluctant to try them because not everyone has been happy with them. I still have my original stock steering damper. It seems fine. I don't like the idea of a pre-loaded steering damper, such as the Bilstein or DeCarbon. > 2A, Bushings, stock, or the blue poly? See above. > 3, Tires (Ok I know this subject has been beaten to death, but I'm still > confused) what about BFG mud terrains LT235/85R 16E? To big? To small? To > loud? Tire selection is where I really need the help. If you want mud capabilitiy most of all, the BFG MT KM, Bridgestone Dueler MT, or Goodyear Wrangler MTR are all appealing choices, in my book, for varying reasons. There are others I like, too, but will not go on. I am running BFG Trac Edge (NLA unless Wise Owl still has some). Mine are 215/85R16. I like that size. Gearing is still okay and I have no clearance problems. With 245/75R16, (especially with aggressive shoulders), you will probably need OMEs or equal and possibly wheelwell trimming. Gearing will still be fine (same as 215/85, more or less). 235/85 might work with OME and no trimming. I know a guy who (last I knew) was running that size on a completely stock '87 RR and said he had no clearance problems, even under full articulation off-road. His, however, were ATs. MTs or commercial traction tires such as Trac Edge or Dunlop RT might not work even with OMEs, unless you do some wheelwell trimming. 265/75s not only require OMEs and trimming the rear wheelwells but also require trimming the fronts and losing the front bumper end-caps (according to a young Oregonian I talked to who was running that size on the Siskyou trip a couple of years ago). I like my Trac Edges but they're pretty noisy; I doubt that MTs are much noisier. I briefly drove John Brabyn's '95 RR 4.0 SE on the highway, wearing Bridgestone Dueler MTs. I could have sworn that they were quieter than my Trac Edges. Of course, his RR is better sound-deadened than my '92. > 4, Front bumper ARB or Safari guard? I'm leaning towards the ARB from a cost > stand point. (I tend to hit things on the trail :-)) Hmmm, well, I like the SG bumpers but hate the SG prices! I didn't like the ARB bumper because of loss of approach angle over stock. I had planned to install a hidden-mount winch, behind the stock bumper. Then I scored a Camel Trophy-style brush bar for a price I couldn't pass up. It screws up my approach more than the ARB would so I'm not criticizing it anymore! > 5, steering protection, what to do? I still have none so can't help there. > 6, Rock sliders, Recommendations? I'm leaning towards making my own. I like the RoverTyme ones, that are step/nerf/slider in one, well mounted and v. sturdy (or appear to be). My wife wants steps. These are the only ones I will consider. She thinks the price ($600, nearly $700 with shipping) sucks so I still have none. > 7, Rear bumper, I am trying to find one that has a swinging gate for a > spare tire and gas can. I don't recommend the swing-away carrier! Get a roof rack instead. I really like my low-profile BP rack (rear of roof, behind sunroof only). I would like to add a ladder for getting to it safely, however! Or, if I ever get the RoverTyme sliders, I can get the side step that slips on to it. I prefer to carry fuel on the rack, preferably in the stubby 10-liter cans that can sit upright and not very high. I can carry enough other stuff up there (recovery kit, chainsaw, etc.) to not need the swing-away carrier. I'd even rather carry my spare up there than on the rear, if it comes to that (I occasionally do). I'll spare the list on the rear carrier discussion as it's been around already. > Well I'm out of money now! I'm always out of money. > PS Granny one more question, We want to leave cedar camp on Sunday and drive > over to the 101 (planning on making this trip, a trans-Mendo) can you > recommend a route? Yeah, about umpteen of them. That's my direction, too (I live in Redwood Valley, by the junction of Highways 20 and 101), so lets discuss at camp and maybe can go out together. From bens Wed Apr 10 00:30:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3A4U5E04598 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 00:30:05 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 00:30:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200204100430.g3A4U4V04591@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 50 jeeps in line Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TeriAnn, You experienced the reason why I make sure my business is OVER by Thursday morning. If I'm in Moab much past 10am on Thursday morning, I start to get nervous and looking for the quickest way out of Dodge (er, Moab). This year it was especially bad because the EJS and the local spring break school holiday happened to coincide during the same week. What luck eh? I knew there was a reason I stayed home this year. ;) Michael _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Wed Apr 10 01:02:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3A524C04847 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 01:02:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 01:02:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200204100502.g3A524e04843@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Extreme Range Rover Classics Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Adam Way from the CSO list just posted the URL to his site with some great photos of his Range Rover and another Range Rover he saw at Moab. http://student.fortlewis.edu/~alway/adamwayhomepage.htm Kevin Kelly From bens Wed Apr 10 10:43:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3AEho107500 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:43:50 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:43:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200204101443.g3AEhoV07496@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Granny's RR trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > (tracing the Tonapah-Tidewater RR route from Ludlow, CA to >Goldfield, NV), DO tell! How was the route? Were there remains of old stations along the way? What was the route? Would you recommend it to others? TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Wed Apr 10 10:56:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3AEuce07577 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:56:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:56:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200204101456.g3AEuca07573@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Matt Wilson To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: advice on kitting out 89 RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave and Rob, thanks for the input, Dave, I'll definitely check out receipts to see what's been done to the truck, I'm hoping to make it through the year with out any major repairs. It will be easier to live around the house if the family gets a few good camping trips before something major breaks...Grin. Rob, I'm looking forward to seeing your tent trailer, our tent trailer was built in 1954 and it's getting a little tired. I hope you have time around the campfire to tell the long angry story, and show me the sliders. I too like the east coast rover rear bumper. Having bent up the rear fenders on Rusty I can only imagine how the RR will fair on the trail. What size tires do you have on your RR? Matt W -Rob P.S. Lucas is visiting my Trailer harness. I take it to the dealer and it works, I take it home and it doesn't GRRRR From bens Wed Apr 10 11:50:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3AFoLc07818 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:50:21 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:50:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200204101550.g3AFoGC07811@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: 50 jeeps in line Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >You experienced the reason why I make sure my business is OVER by Thursday >morning. If I'm in Moab much past 10am on Thursday morning, I start to get >nervous and looking for the quickest way out of Dodge (er, Moab). All my previous experiences in and around Moab have been great. I have heard and read so much about the Moab Easter week activities I wanted to check them out for myself. Also I wanted an opportunity to look at lots of leaf spring suspensions for ideas and see what the 4X4 fabrication/accessory companies were up to (How do you think Disco steel wheels would look with bead locks?) Well now I can say I've been there, saw that, was completely overwhelmed and frightened off the trails. I've learned to be at least 100 miles from any major off road event. Maybe next time I will just take the TR3 to a 4X4 trade show. One thing I did notice arriving early... Tuesday afternoon I went into town to refill my water tank (I was camping in Kane Creek canyon and the Maverick gas station at the North end of town had a white hose that would reach my tank). I passed through town, filled the tank and headed back through a wondrous site. I even had to redrive the length of town to believe what I was seeing. Around 4 PM on Tuesday before the Easter weekend EVERY gas station raised their price of fuel between 5 and 10 cents per gallon simultaneously and the sign in front of the Motel 6 read starting at $99.99/night instead of $49.99/night. The whole town was in sync and it was like someone threw a price switch. Zowie, hurrah for camping on BLM land and full tanks before 4 PM Tuesday. Sorry if I keep going on about this experience. It blew my poor little mind, reminded me how provincial I still am and just left me in a state of "girl from small village in big city shock". TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Wed Apr 10 12:06:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3AG6Tb07907 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:06:29 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:06:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200204101606.g3AG6Tp07903@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: 50 jeeps in line Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...someone threw a price switch...." Ahh, capitalism at it's finest. :^) I guess we all owe those beer swilling party animals a debt of gratitude. Their once a year cash injection is a big reason why all those conveniences are there for the rest of us to enjoy the rest of the year round. Now myself, I'd just as soon haul my food, water, and fuel in from Grand Junction or Green River and sleep on the ground if it could mean the whole area was undeveloped. But alas, it's not so. And it's nice that people who like to bathe daily and sleep inside can enjoy the trails too. :^))) So TeriAnn, how is Kane Creek? Any other BLM spots you'd recommend say down around canyonlands area? Anyone have experience to recommend the Utah Gazetteer and/or 4wd trail books covering the south central Utah area? I'm looking for a fun, low pavement %age, all day route from La Sal to Great Basin National Park for travel in late September. -Dave G. From bens Wed Apr 10 12:52:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3AGqB808168 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:52:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:52:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200204101652.g3AGqAA08164@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: 50 jeeps in line Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave, The list of suggested places I have is way too long to even get into in an e-mail. If you want to call me feel free and I can get an idea of exactly where you want to go and the different things you may or may not want to experience. 503-329-6800 Michael PS Kane Creek when I have been there is absolutely wonderful. It's not really a 'thru-way', but there is a trail that goes to the main hwy. It does have a few tricky spots and a couple of water crossings, but if you don't need to go all the way through there are TONS of wonderful camping spots (both marked and not). _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Wed Apr 10 14:11:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3AIB0R08577 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:11:00 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:10:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200204101810.g3AIAsJ08573@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: RE: 50 jeeps in line Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >So TeriAnn, how is Kane Creek? Kane Creek is a classic bright red rock canyon with a dirt road negotiable by automobile ( I air down because of the wash boarding). The front section has BLM camp grounds with out house and flatish camp sites and fire rings. Cost is $5/night. There are a mess of 4X4 trails based from the canyon. Past the regular BLM camp grounds are completely undeveloped BLM land that is free to camp but no open fires and no outhouse facilities. > Any other BLM spots you'd recommend say down >around canyonlands area? There are a lot of semi developed BLM camp ground sites up Potash road (near poison spider trail and a back entrance into Canyon Lands park). This is along the Green River with red rock walls on either side of the river. Personally I often tend to camp on a wide spot of a trail out of sight from regular roads or buildings. But I'm completely self contained and only use the space the Green Rover takes up. When the BLM camp spots filled up from the Jeepers, I moved out trail. Spent a night near the Merrimack & Monitor buttes on the seven mile trail, another near the back entrance to Arches on the Willow Springs trail. I'm not sure of the source but I recently read something about BLM having a new regulation or thinking about a regulation to limit BLM camping to official BLM camp grounds unless the camper has a porta pottie along. Something to check on if you are planning BLM land camping. This could be region specific as deification just dehydrates and sits there for years & years in arid desert climates. The high desert ecology depends upon microscopic Cryptobiotic colonies on the surface of the sand for nitrogen fixation and erosion control. Walking or driving over undisturbed soil can put the colonies back several decades of growth. So driving and camping should never be done on undisturbed soil. For trail camping, keep to trails, washes (beware of flash floods), open areas of levelish slick rock and established camp sites. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Wed Apr 10 14:41:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3AIfH908706 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:41:17 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:41:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200204101841.g3AIfH908702@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: 50 jeeps in line Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks TAW. You spout off those location names like the veteran of the area that you are. :^) I'm sort of a book nut. Any recommendations for reading up on southern Utah 4wd trails/mining roads/ghost towns? -Dave G. PS - "...unless the camper has a porta pottie along..." Does a "bumper dumper" count? (I don't have one...) :^) From bens Wed Apr 10 15:09:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3AJ9qP08833 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:09:52 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:09:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200204101909.g3AJ9pX08829@minbar.fourfold.org> From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 50 jeeps in line Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave, I've got one - purchased at City Market on Moab, but probably available via Amazon or your favorite local independent bookseller. "4 WD Adventures Utah" by Peter Massey and Jeanne Wilson, published by Swagman, and it includes GPS coordinates. Lots of nice color photos, and history of mining towns, mining towns and mining camps, petroglyphs, etc. Craig "Gomes, David" wrote: > Thanks TAW. You spout off those location names like the veteran of the area > that you are. :^) I'm sort of a book nut. Any recommendations for reading > up on southern Utah 4wd trails/mining roads/ghost towns? > > -Dave G. > > PS - "...unless the camper has a porta pottie along..." Does a "bumper > dumper" count? (I don't have one...) :^) From bens Wed Apr 10 16:08:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3AK8ET09312 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:08:14 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:08:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200204102008.g3AK8EC09308@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: "mendo_recce@fourfold.org" Subject: SIII cost? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I am thinking of buying a 93 LWB for Kelly and Grace, which means I will take the 89 and have to sell the SIII. How much could I sell it for? It is a 72, with the original faded green paint. I am the second owner, and I have all the original owner's paperwork. It has lived in Arizona all it's life, and has no rust. I have recently resealed the transmission and transfer case, and they seem to be leak free (I put a piece of cardboard under it in the garage for two weeks and there were no drips). It runs well, although it smokes a little, and the rear main oil seal leaks. It needs new suspension bushings and new seats. These come on the market so rarely here (I think I have seen 10 in the last 5 years), so I don't know what to ask. James From bens Wed Apr 10 16:10:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3AKAav09343 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:10:36 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:10:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200204102010.g3AKAaw09339@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: RE: 50 jeeps in line Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >Thanks TAW. You spout off those location names like the veteran of the area >that you are. :^) I've only been there 6 times so far which compared to some makes me a MOAB neophyte. > I'm sort of a book nut. Any recommendations for reading >up on southern Utah 4wd trails/mining roads/ghost towns? Not really. I tend to wonder around and ask locals about interesting local sights. Michael would probably be a good bet. The National Geographic Mountain bike Map # 501 is the best I have found for 4WD trails around Moab. The Nat Geographic topo maps seem pretty good. I've found myself on trails that do not show up in my state Gazetteer maps way to often. I do like the AAA Indian Country Map. It is well worth having. I recently picked up a photographic reproduction of a late 1800's Utah state map. My plan is to check it against a current map to look for towns that are not there anymore. If you get a chance there is a trail a little North of Mexican hat called the 1880 Mormon trail. It is very Scenic and gives you an idea of how badly the Mormon wagon train master screwed up when they set off for a 6 week ride (6 months later they gave up when the wagons were too worn out to move anymore and founded the town of Bluff. They never got where they were trying to reach). Gilligan! Sorry skipper. >PS - "...unless the camper has a porta pottie along..." Does a "bumper >dumper" count? (I don't have one...) :^) As long as you use it & take the dumps along I guess it would qualify. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Wed Apr 10 16:15:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3AKFuf09402 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:15:56 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:15:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200204102015.g3AKFuV09398@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Cedar Camp to 101 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Matt, Quite a few people drive from Cedar to 101. It's a good experience! The Triple A "Mendocino and Sonoma Coast" map shows various routes. The primary is M10 west to M1. It's a mostly groomed road with a few obstacles here and there plus two water crossings that probably won't be more than 1 1/2 ft deep this year. Eventually, you'll end up at the town named "Upper Lake" and after a drive over to 101 at Hopland, you can visit the brewery with shaded patio. There are also smaller, southeasterly trails that go through villages named Bartlett Springs and Hough Springs. Both those trails later drop into the east side of Clear Lake. I wonder if those villages are actual "Hot Springs"? Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From bens Wed Apr 10 16:43:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3AKhoP09579 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:43:50 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:43:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200204102043.g3AKhot09575@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Tom Gross To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: advice on kitting out 89 RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A couple of things I saw on my Mendo Digest. >4, Front bumper ARB or Safari guard? I'm leaning towards the ARB from a cost >stand point. (I tend to hit things on the trail :-)) I always had the impression that big front bumper-bullbar assemblages were something that Aussies needed when they were chasing 'roos through the roadless outback, or that the Baja 1000 folks needed when they were out knocking over cactus. Given that most of us go on trails that are on public lands, hitting things out there most often means that you ain't on the trail anymore. Not being on the trail can fuel the fire for folks who'd like to close those trails to vehicles. Also, if you hit things, keep in mind that those things are going to be passing under the vehicle trying to reach up and tear out brake line hoses, mufflers, tailpipes, wiring, and assorted other goodies you'd probably rather keep. Of course, those bumpers are good for hanging a winch on, I guess. > (tracing the Tonopah-Tidewater RR route from Ludlow, CA to >Goldfield, NV), Check John Braybin's most excellent site (and see his Range Rover) http://rangerovers.net/expeditions/t&t/index.htm All John needs is to add a map. Maybe he's got one there, but I just can't find it. Tom Gross From bens Wed Apr 10 16:51:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3AKpEN09632 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:51:14 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:51:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200204102051.g3AKpEE09628@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Dormobile Time Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, My Dormobile arrives in one hour! Start the count down! I can't wait! Keith From bens Wed Apr 10 16:52:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3AKqQ109647 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:52:26 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:52:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200204102052.g3AKqQA09643@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 50 jeeps in line Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I will second that recommendation. I have never seen the Utah book, but Kelly gave me the Arizona one by the same authors for my birthday and it is excellent. It can be found here: http://www.bushducks.com/guides/adventure_guides.htm craig reece wrote: > > Dave, > > I've got one - purchased at City Market on Moab, but probably available via > Amazon or your favorite local independent bookseller. "4 WD Adventures Utah" by > Peter Massey and Jeanne Wilson, published by Swagman, and it includes GPS > coordinates. Lots of nice color photos, and history of mining towns, mining > towns and mining camps, petroglyphs, etc. > [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- James Howard Naval Research Lab Code 7215, NPOI Project RR14, Box 447 Lake Mary Road Flagstaff, AZ 86001 +1-928-773-4868 (voice) +1-928-779-9568 (fax) jhoward@sextans.lowell.edu From bens Wed Apr 10 17:03:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3AL3uM09706 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:03:56 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:03:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200204102103.g3AL3uV09702@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: advice on kitting out 89 RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Tom Gross wrote: > > I always had the impression that big front bumper-bullbar assemblages were > something that Aussies needed when they were chasing 'roos through the > roadless outback, or that the Baja 1000 folks needed when they were out > knocking over cactus. Given that most of us go on trails that are on public > lands, hitting things out there most often means that you ain't on the trail > I still have the stock one on our RR, and I want a bumper-bullbar assemblage for the following reasons: 1. To keep the brush from damaging my headlights and turn signal lights. 2. To have something decent to jack up the front with a high-lift jack. 3. Hopefully it would have something good to attach a tow rope to. Also, around here it would be nice to provide some protection if a deer or elk runs out in front of me. I've had a lot of close calls. That is why I drive below the speed limit at dusk. From bens Wed Apr 10 17:06:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3AL67u09737 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:06:07 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:06:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200204102106.g3AL67809733@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Dormobile Time Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org 60-59-58-57-56.................. Boy time sure goes by slowly when you watch the clock! Bob B At 01:51 PM 4/10/2002, you wrote: >All, > >My Dormobile arrives in one hour! Start the count down! I can't wait! > >Keith From bens Wed Apr 10 17:14:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3ALEM109779 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:14:22 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:14:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200204102114.g3ALEMv09775@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Matt Wilson To: "Mendo_Recce (E-mail)" Subject: More kitting out 89 RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks everyone for helping me narrow down the list, Granny I knew you would come through! OK here's how my list is now 1, Manuals, I'll buy the loose leafs North American one and get it drilled for a cheap binder. 2, Springs, OME mediums and OME shocks I agree with TeriAnn, keep them matched. even though Bill at GBR makes a good point for the Bilstiens. I still need a little guidance here, do you think I should get heavy duty springs to support the new bumper? (see number 4 ) 2a, bushings stock for now upgrade to blue poly sooner or later 3, tires, 215/85 R16 or 245/75 R16 thanks for telling me what your running and what to look for. I have printed out a list of tires from Tire Rack.com and will shop around town. 4, ARB bumper wins out (it's a price thing) Tom, all the body damage I have done to my truck, have been sustained on marked "trails" legally. their are some pretty steep/deep ruts on the Miller jeep trail 5, go driving, and hope I don't spend all the rest of my money on silly things like beds for my children So this is how you all will hopefully see the truck when we get to Cedar camp. And looking forward to my first "trans-Mendo" From bens Wed Apr 10 17:15:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3ALFR209805 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:15:27 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:15:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200204102115.g3ALFQb09801@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Dormobile Time Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org WHOO HOOOOO!!!!!!!! :) Charles On Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:51:14 -0400 Keith Shukait writes: > > All, > > My Dormobile arrives in one hour! Start the count down! I can't > wait! > > Keith > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Wed Apr 10 17:53:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3ALrKB09995 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:53:20 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:53:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200204102153.g3ALrKA09991@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Schoenman" To: "mendo" Cc: Subject: RE: advice on kitting out 89 RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Matt, Just saw you post (in digest mode). I have a 88RR that I have been upgrading over the years. Mine is used mainly for offroad use and not for any type of daily use, so take that into account. I also didn't wat to go too extreme because that's when other tings start breaking. Here's what I have. 1. I have have the loose leaf binder NAS manual. It has been very useful. 2. Springs. I had MD OEM on the front and HD OEM on the rear. But changed the front to HD OEM because the front no longer had a lift after I put the winch on. I chose the OEM over the OME because I understand that they don't sag as quickly. Don't know if that is true, but that's the rumor. Also have OME shocks. 3. Just put on some 245/75s BFG mt KM's on Nato wheels. Lots of clearance. The truck has lost some of its sound proofing over the years (that and the interior trim is being slowly removed) so I can't ell if there is more noise or not. It's just generally loud even with old XPCs. 4. ARB front bumper. I liked the safari guard but way too much $$ and requires the SG steering protector (more $$). I also like the ARB because it has a nice flat surface to stand on to either look out onto the horizon, or reach into the engine compartment. 5. I have the Brit Pac steering guard. I don't think it is as strong as the RN version (mine is slightly concave from the mud run). It also required some rework to get it to fit with the ARB bumper. 6. I have the older RN sliders (no hi lift points, which I wish I did). They securely attach to the rockers and the frame. Very solid. One note is they do transfer a bit of vibration to the body. 7. Stock rear bumper (with end caps that fall off all the time). 8. Also have the brownchurch 1/2 roof rack. Not as low-pro as the brit pac. But it's the place that my spare currently goes (until I figure out a good way to mount the spare directly to the roof in front of the rack. And yes completely out of money now. Good luck. Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:21:49 -0400 From: Matt Wilson Subject: advice on kitting out 89 RR Last year after Mendo, I said I was bummed I didn't ask Granny more questions about RR's. He responded with "ask away" Well one year later I finally bought a RR. Monday the fifteenth I pick up a 1989 RR county classic. So now I'm asking! (Every one feel free to chime in) I have listed my purchases in order of importance and I'll work my way down until I'm out cash. First; Known car history bought new in Santa Barbara in 1989, now has 130,000 miles. Dealer serviced through warranty then serviced at East west motors. Original owners manual with stamps owner has stack of receipts also. I used John Brabyn's site to educate myself and took it with me to look over the truck. All electrical stuff works, looks like the steering box has been replaced etc. car sifts smooth and engine seems strong... Second; I intend to use the truck for the following, Mohave road, Downieville, Baja California, etc. so I would say moderate off road. Oh yeah, I want to do the Mud-Run! Or the nur-dum 1, Manuals, the green bible has been fantastic for the series III. should I buy the loose leaf binder model $145 or can I get by with the bound European edition? 2, Springs (trucks sagging in the right rear now) Medium OME springs and shocks? A little bird told me BP is going to have a sale, 2A, Bushings, stock, or the blue poly? 3, Tires (Ok I know this subject has been beaten to death, but I'm still confused) what about BFG mud terrains LT235/85R 16E? To big? To small? To loud? Tire selection is where I really need the help. 4, Front bumper ARB or Safari guard? I'm leaning towards the ARB from a cost stand point. (I tend to hit things on the trail :-)) 5, steering protection, what to do? 6, Rock sliders, Recommendations? I'm leaning towards making my own. 7, Rear bumper, I am trying to find one that has a swinging gate for a spare tire and gas can. Well I'm out of money now! Thanks for your input, and I hope to see a lot of you at Joe-Lucas. Matt W PS Granny one more question, We want to leave cedar camp on Sunday and drive over to the 101 (planning on making this trip, a trans-Mendo) can you recommend a route? --- Eric See Dave Matthews Band live or win a signed guitar http://r.lycos.com/r/bmgfly_mail_dmb/http://win.ipromotions.com/lycos_020201/splash.asp From bens Wed Apr 10 17:58:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3ALwYf10025 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:58:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:58:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200204102158.g3ALwYb10021@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: More kitting out 89 RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org For the bumper alone you don't need anything extra. It won't weigh much more than the stock bumper/brushbar assembly. If you add a winch, it will be a different story. Generally consider the cost of a set of front springs as part of a winch addition. No worries, you'll be able to cover a LOT of ground with the setup as you've defined it. Maybe add one thing. Some home-made tethers for the rear bumper end caps. Saves hiking back after them. :^) -Dave G. From bens Wed Apr 10 18:18:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3AMIBO10112 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:18:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:18:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200204102218.g3AMIB610108@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Ed Sanman To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Canyonlands, Kane Creek and Lockhart Basin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave - I'm surprised Mike Slade didn't mention the camping we did at a private facility next to the East entrance into Canyonlands. It's called the Needles Outpost, and our small group really enjoyed it there. We didn't use the showers, but popped in for a look as we were leaving. They were very clean. Our campsite was up in some trees just below a massive piece of slick rock. Great hosts, great views, and no one there during last years EJS. They've got a site at www.canyonlandsneedlesoutpost.com Normally we'd camp on BLM land ourselves, but this place definitely stood head and shoulders above similar facilities. The hostess is a real hoot, and maybe a little eccentric. >From the Needles Outpost, the start of the Lockhart Basin Road is only a half mile or so back to the East. It's an awesome way to get from Canyonlands to Moab. And it takes you right to Kane Creek as well. BTW, there's no way a passenger car could negotiate Kane Creek Canyon. One could get to maybe the deeper water crossing, but wouldn't go any further than that even at low flow. Ed From bens Wed Apr 10 18:40:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3AMeGx10219 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:40:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:40:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200204102240.g3AMeFF10215@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Canyonlands, Kane Creek and Lockhart Basin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...I'm surprised Mike Slade didn't mention the camping we did..." He sent me a note off-list. I spoke with him on the phone this afternoon and plan to get back with him this evening after he's had a chance to look up a few particulars. I was actually thinking more of making our over-night down around Natural Bridges somewhere, and then continuing on west from there on day 2, ending up at Great Basin National Park late afternoon day 2. Anybody familiar with those more southern areas? Escalante, Bryce, Cedar Breaks, Beaver County? -Dave G. From bens Wed Apr 10 19:03:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3AN3Qr10313 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:03:26 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:03:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200204102303.g3AN3Qr10309@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Canyonlands, Kane Creek and Lockhart Basin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > BTW, >there's no way a passenger car could negotiate Kane Creek Canyon. One could >get to maybe the deeper water crossing, but wouldn't go any further than >that even at low flow. Guess all those cars I saw were air lifted in then. I was refering to the maintined dirt road between the tarmac and harrah pass. Plenty smooth. 2 water crossings in shallow gullys, the deepest maybe 8 inches of water. Seriously there were a number of passanger cars there. Some with dirt bikers, some with rock climbers. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Wed Apr 10 19:15:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3ANFHA10393 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:15:17 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:15:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200204102315.g3ANFHS10389@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Canyonlands, Kane Creek and Lockhart Basin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kelly & I drove from Salt Lake to Capitol Reef NP, camped on BLM land just north of Cathedral Valley, then drove Utah Rt 12 from Torrey, through Escalante, past Bryce, to US89. I highly recommend Utah 12. It is a very scenic drive. If you take Utah 95 north from from Natural Bridges, turn west at Hanksville, that will take you to Torrey. We ended up at the north rim of the Grand Canyon that day, and we stopped a lot to enjoy the views. "Gomes, David" wrote: > > "...I'm surprised Mike Slade didn't mention the camping we did..." > > He sent me a note off-list. I spoke with him on the phone this afternoon > and plan to get back with him this evening after he's had a chance to look > up a few particulars. > > I was actually thinking more of making our over-night down around Natural > Bridges somewhere, and then continuing on west from there on day 2, ending [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- James Howard Naval Research Lab Code 7215, NPOI Project RR14, Box 447 Lake Mary Road Flagstaff, AZ 86001 +1-928-773-4868 (voice) +1-928-779-9568 (fax) jhoward@sextans.lowell.edu From bens Wed Apr 10 19:21:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3ANLmE10455 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:21:48 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:21:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200204102321.g3ANLmA10451@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: RE: Canyonlands, Kane Creek and Lockhart Basin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I was actually thinking more of making our over-night down around Natural >Bridges somewhere, There are some camp grounds at Natural bridges. Also for a small fee you can camp South of there on Federal land. I spent a night on a side trail from the 1880 Mormon trail alongside the rim of a large colourful canyon this last time. That is just a few miles South East of Natural Bridges. There are fee BLM camp sites along the river just North of Mexican hat if you get just a little farther South yet. The campground at the edge of Monument Valley is worth the cost for dawn photography of the better known buttes. >2. Anybody familiar with >those more southern areas? Escalante, I tend to cut through Escalante when going between Page and Bryce. Cottonwood road is scenic with a number of free places to park. It goes right into Kodachrome basin park which is just South East of Bryce. The hole in the wall trail is interesting. Since it has become a park the entrances to trails have kiosks with maps showing the trails. There is a ghost town and a movie mockup of the town I hope to visit next time there. >Bryce, A couple campgrounds in park. Some BLM land outside the park a little North West where one could primitive camp. You know so much depends upon what you want to see, how long you have for travel and how you prefer to spend your nights. The AAA Indian Country map really is worth getting if you are heading into that area. Throw out an intenerary and a proposed route for discussion. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Wed Apr 10 19:47:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3ANlDV10654 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:47:13 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:47:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200204102347.g3ANlDT10650@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Canyonlands, Kane Creek and Lockhart Basin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...worth the cost for dawn photography..." You know me well enough then, I guess... :^))) Thanks so much all of you. Much food for thought. We'll have only one day to cross from natural bridge to Great Basin NP, where we're meeting friends heading there from LA. My "mission" for the trip, if you will is as follows: 1- A quick overview of what's in Southern Utah for some who have never been there 2- Introduce others to the joys of traveling from A to B by circuitous routes, avoiding the interstate entirely, and pavement where possible 3- Visit some sites that aren't in all the tour books, and have a little history from other sources to make the visits interesting (Loved your Mormon Trail tidbit) I know it's a lot to ask form one quick trip, but the goal of this trip is really to inspire interest in future trips for more extended stays in smaller areas. Thanks again! -Dave G. From bens Wed Apr 10 20:23:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3B0Ns610792 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:23:54 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:23:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200204110023.g3B0Nsc10788@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: advice on kitting out 89 RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Tom Gross wrote: > Given that most of us go on trails that are on public > lands, hitting things out there most often means that you ain't on the trail > anymore. I beg to differ. I can safely say I've not used Spot off of a legal trail. Yet I destroyed a stock LR bumper and have severely tested my Shipman bumper. Granted I may not be a great driver ( and I also find some tough legal trails) but an upgraded bumper/bull/brush bar can offer significant body panal protection if you even begin to push the envelope outside graded roads. They also offer a secure front recovery point that is sorely missing on most stock bumpers, a jack point, and a place to mount a winch without losing approach angle. > Not being on the trail can fuel the fire for folks who'd like to > close those trails to vehicles. Very true but not relevant to upgrading the bumper. > Also, if you hit things, keep in mind that > those things are going to be passing under the vehicle trying to reach up > and tear out brake line hoses, mufflers, tailpipes, wiring, and assorted > other goodies you'd probably rather keep. Add under body protection to the list. > > (tracing the Tonopah-Tidewater RR route from Ludlow, CA to > >Goldfield, NV), Do tell more!! Bruce Bonar 94 D90 "Spot" 95 D90 SW "Stella" From bens Wed Apr 10 20:56:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3B0uQv10932 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:56:26 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:56:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200204110056.g3B0uQH10928@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Canyonlands, Kane Creek and Lockhart Basin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A tall order to be sure in one short Trip Dave, but I'm pouring over books and maps as we speak. Hopefully I will have some insights that will make your trip interesting. Someone (I think James H.) mentioned Hanksville. If ANYONE goes through Hanksville you HAVE to stop at the rock shop on Main Street (it's a 'can't miss it' kind of thing, no really, you CAN'T miss it). Anyway, the owners name is Ernest Shirley and once you get past the agates, fools gold and petrified wood, he might just take you into the back shed where he has some brontosaurus thigh bones that he 'just found' out in the desert. This guy typifies your rural Utah experience to the 'T'. Lots more where that came from.... Michael _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Wed Apr 10 22:21:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3B2L0R11245 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 22:21:00 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 22:21:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200204110221.g3B2L0i11241@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: RE: Canyonlands, Kane Creek and Lockhart Basin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >We'll have only one day to cross from natural bridge to Great Basin NP, Where are you starting from? I'd give arches, Bryce, Monument Valley (most all in Arizona) A++ ratings for senic must sees. Natural Bridge really requires getting out of the car & spending a lot of time hiking. Seeing Natural bridges properly is a day plus of hiking in itself. It does not lend itself well to a drive by viewing or stop and shoot photography. The cliffs of the section of Dixie Forest that #12 goes though just East of Bryce is lovely. Lockheart basin road is senic except at the end and goes most of the way from Moab to Monticello. Lovely but a full day travel and the trail is rated 4 in some parts. There is a dirt road that starts just South of Monticello East of #191 that winds its way between the bluffs and goes past some small Anasazi ruins and an intact kiva you can climb down into. That's about a half day drive with drive by ruin pictures. Hmm tell your friends from LA you will be about a month late and maybe to meet you near the Mummy caves in Canyon de Chilly. If I was doing a whurle wind run from say #70 to Bryce, I would get off at Cisco, take 128 South into Moab, Turn North, tour Arches (yes you need to get out & hike to the arches, do a tarmac drive through of Canyonland, go down 191, Detour to 666 and spend a day touring the Anaszi ruins in Mesa Verde. Run East through Cortez & West on #25Z through Ismay and up to view the towers of Hovenweep, 363 back to 191 South of Montecello, South on 191, a stop & quick photo of Gooseneck, through Indian hat to Monument Valley. Run the self drive tour, then West again on 163 to #60 & a stop at Najavo National Monument (bring very long lense). Then up #98 to Page. If you pass Upper Antalope canyon in the AM stop and be amazed. Through Page up #89 to either hole in the wall trail to Escalante or Cottonwood past Goove double arch & past Kodachrome State park to #12 then to Bryce. Thats about the fastest way I've ever taken from one place to the other. Leave 3 days earlier to be there on time if you rush. the quickest I have made that run has been about two weeks. But I also tend to end up on side trips. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Wed Apr 10 23:49:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3B3n1Q11562 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 23:49:01 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 23:49:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200204110349.g3B3n1911558@minbar.fourfold.org> From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Propane valves U.S. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TeriAnn, I talked to him about 2 weeks ago, and he's moving this summer, I think. Craig TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > >Timm's ok, his truck is ok, and he has a story to tell people. I guess > >that's a good thing??? ;) > > Must be. > > A guy I talked to at the Advanced Adaptor booth seems to think Timm will > be moving to Paso Robles in the near future. Know anything about that?? > > TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Apr 11 00:10:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3B4AHV12120 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 00:10:17 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 00:10:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200204110410.g3B4AGu12116@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: Cedar Camp to 101 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Joe wrote: > The Triple A "Mendocino and Sonoma Coast" map shows > various routes. The primary is M10 west to M1. That's either a tame or gnarly route, depending upon what sort of winter we've had. Should be quite (too) tame this year. > there plus two water crossings that probably won't be > more than 1 1/2 ft deep this year. About right. Even at the end of April, some years, it can be a dangerous crossing (Rice Fork of the Eel, near Bear Creek). > Eventually, you'll > end up at the town named "Upper Lake" Unless you go north (right) on M1 (Elk Mountain Road) to Lake Pillsbury. >From there, you can go out to Potter Valley and Highway 20 or north over Hull Mountain, Etsel Ridge, and Bentley Ridge, to the Eel River Ranger Station by the Black Butte Store (where the Black Butte River empties into the Middle Fork of the Eel), then right on Hwy 162 (Mendocino Pass Road) over Mendocino Pass to Glen County or left to Covelo (Round Valley) and 101. > There are also smaller, southeasterly trails that go > through villages named Bartlett Springs and Hough > Springs. And many more in between and off to the side and... Granny From bens Thu Apr 11 00:19:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3B4Jcq12695 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 00:19:38 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 00:19:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200204110419.g3B4JbB12691@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Knoxville run this year? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I recall last year about this time (I think) we did a run to the Knoxville OHV park up near Clear Lake. I think the highlight of the trip was the rout getting there, through something like 7 sizeable water crossings. Any ideas about doing it again this year? Is it too late already for the water crossings? Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Thu Apr 11 01:06:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3B56Ng13396 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 01:06:23 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 01:06:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200204110506.g3B56Nv13392@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: A question springs to mind... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Listers, As some of you - many of you - out there have Rangies, Discos, Defenders, and several have all the parts listings and such, I have an identity crisis that I'm trying to sort out. I have recently obtained a pile of coil springs: they are either Rangie Classis/Defender/Disco, though the color codes don't appear in any of the info that I have, and I'd like to find out what they are before they get passed around on the swap table...especially since it appears that I have a right-rear corner on the Rangie that seems to be sagging a bit! Here are the color codes: Yellow/White Yellow/Blue Blue/Green Blue/Gray Blue/Red Blue (only) I also have what appears to be a M.D. OEM, or a H.D. OEM set, only identifiable by the number 995 stamped inside the top coil of each spring. Are these standard? Are they Heavy Duty? Are they Medium Duty? Do they life the truck? Thanks in advance, Charles P.S. I'm heading to Tuscon tomorrow afternoon/evening - then to New Orleans early Saturday morning (to celebrate my birthday), and to Reno Sunday night...will be back here Tuesday afternoon, so if'n there's no noise from me after tomorrow @ noon, don't worry. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Thu Apr 11 09:59:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3BDx9I15592 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:59:09 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:59:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200204111359.g3BDx9O15588@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stephen LaPorta To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: my rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks for the feedback everyone. I'm back on the road again. It was infact the axle. It snapped just before the spline. It was difficult getting all of it out. Unfortunately, the teeth on the replacement axle had not been machned perfectly, so that required some additional filing to make it fit. Fortunately, there was no damage to the differential. Cheers, Steve '72 green and limestone '88 '78 Porsche 911sc From bens Thu Apr 11 10:15:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3BEFDM15674 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:15:13 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:15:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200204111415.g3BEFDF15670@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: my rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Steve, What brand axle did you buy? Where did you have to file? Actually the spline in the diff were more likely scuffed up a bit by the axle when it broke. I had to clean out (file) the spline in my ARB diff when we broke an axle. Bob B At 06:59 AM 4/11/2002, you wrote: >Thanks for the feedback everyone. I'm back on the road again. It was >infact the axle. It snapped just before the spline. It was difficult >getting all of it out. Unfortunately, the teeth on the replacement >axle had not been machned perfectly, so that required some additional >filing to make it fit. Fortunately, there was no damage to the >differential. > >Cheers, > [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Apr 11 10:17:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3BEHBw15702 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:17:11 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:17:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200204111417.g3BEHB515698@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Canyonlands, Kane Creek and Lockhart Basin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....Hmm tell your friends from LA you will be about a month late and maybe to meet you near the Mummy caves in Canyon de Chilly....." Hee Hee!!!! Now you're talkin! Thanks again, -Dave G. From bens Thu Apr 11 10:41:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3BEfve15834 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:41:57 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:41:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200204111441.g3BEfus15830@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Canyonlands, Kane Creek and Lockhart Basin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks again, TeriAnn. I'll have to print your notes and sit down with some good maps. I'm also planning to use this trip as a recce for future ones and hopefully take some pictures that will inspire the LA folks to come a little farther afield to meet us next time. Dave G. From bens Thu Apr 11 11:24:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3BFO7I16135 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:24:07 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:24:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200204111524.g3BFO7r16131@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Cedar Camp to 101 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Granville Pool wrote: > Joe wrote: > > > The Triple A "Mendocino and Sonoma Coast" map shows > > various routes. The primary is M10 west to M1. > > > there plus two water crossings that probably won't be > > more than 1 1/2 ft deep this year. Maybe. > About right. Even at the end of April, some years, it can be a dangerous > crossing (Rice Fork of the Eel, near Bear Creek). Surely you jest Granny. :-) Now if I can just find those pictures of Jim's lunch floating out the window. Bruce 94 D90 "S.S. Spot" From bens Thu Apr 11 11:31:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3BFVR516260 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:31:27 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:31:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200204111531.g3BFVRu16256@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Dormobile Time Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...is it there yet??? Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Thu Apr 11 13:35:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3BHZWO16991 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:35:32 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:35:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200204111735.g3BHZVp16984@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Matt's New Range Rover Classic Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Matt wrote: >1, Manuals, should I buy the loose leaf binder model >$145 or can I get by with the bound European edition? Make sure to get a NAS (not euro) factory manual since there are a LOT of differences. I also have a Haynes euro manual (that cost under $20). >2, Springs (trucks sagging in the right rear now) >Medium OME springs and shocks? A little bird told >me BP is going to have a sale, First decide if you want to keep it stock or lift it... > 2A, Bushings, stock, or the blue poly? Poly transmits lots of vibrations and most Range Rovers don't "need" bushings (I have all original bushings except for the ones on the shocks). >3, Tires... You need to decide if you want a mud or freeway tire (no tire is great for both) or something in between. >4, Front bumper ARB or Safari guard? I'm leaning >towards the ARB ARBs are very solid >5, steering protection, what to do? Unless you plan to do a lot of rock crawling you may be happy just moving the steering stabilizer up to the D90 location. > 6. rock sliders Like the steering protection not real necessary until you start doing rock crawling and/or gonzo trails. >7, Rear bumper, I am trying to find one that has a >swinging gate for a spare tire and gas can. I bet you will have room to keep the spare and a gas can inside 99.9% of the time. You can put them on a roof rack the other .01% of the time. It is a PITA to have spare or gas can on the back of a Range Rover (or any other vehicle with a tailgate) since you have to move them out of the way every time you open the tailgate. Kevin From bens Thu Apr 11 14:33:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3BIXeH17342 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:33:40 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:33:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200204111833.g3BIXdc17338@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Christopher Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: The scariest camp fire story ever (in the Mojave) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This story is from our trip to the Mojave and Death Valley during the holidays - back when we missed the main Rover group on the trail after splitting off from the Dow clan. This story is a retelling of our experiences around the camp fire on our first night alone. In retrospect it's not meant to be totally serious but everything mentioned either went through our heads or was read to us. During our trip we never managed to find the main Rover group we had set out to find, but we did end up driving in and through vast areas of the Mojave, Death Valley, the Panamint Range and Saline Valley. ...It was our first night on the trail after splitting off to try and find the Rover group. We were camping at the base of the Cinder Cones about 15 miles or so off of Hwy 15 well within the Mojave. After darkness set in and we were all gathered around the camp fire, Taylor (my younger brother and now a new LR owner) pulled out a book on the Mojave he'd been meaning to read for sometime. The book was called "The Mojave, a portrait of the definitive American Desert" by David Darlington. Opening the book he began to read to us a chapter entitled "A Convenient Place For The Unwanted". The first sentance went like this: "The running joke among homicide detective in the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department is that if all the people they haven't found were to stand up simultaneously, the Mojave would resemble Manhattan Island." We all literally froze, suddenly more alert than we'd imagined ever being and keen to the fact we were sitting around a fire, more-or-less alone, far from anyone else in the middle of the Mojave. Continuing to listen to Taylor read, we clung to his every word. "As a rule, bodies aren't bruied. Similar to more conventional refuse, they might be dropped down mine shafts or bagged and burned, but usually they're just unloaded from a car. Occasionally they give evidence of having been dispatched on the spot. Some are missing fingers, arms, legs, or heads. In a road turnout near Sheephole Pass in the East Mojave, a driver once found a human hand; a subsequent three-day search of the area produced two corpses, but between them they had four hands. Both turned out to be people who had been missing for some time." Ok, ok. We were a little, um, paranoid now. Not the reasonable sort of sane, legitimate paranoid, the kind of paranoid you might get over knowing your driving someplace with really low oil or to an event knowing your parking break isn't fully working. It was that sort of totally silly, unwarrented paranoid. The kind that can play tricks on you and make you do and say really, really silly things. The chapter went on: "Some corpses have been found with hands cuffed behind their backs and bullets in their skulls, effectively eliminating the possibility of suicide - thought this is another popular way to leave a body in the desert. You have to wonder why someone would drive all the way out here to kill himself, says Bob Moon, former resources chief at Joshua Tree National Monument. But often they leave notes saying how they love this place where they've had so many momements of peace and solitude. backpackers in Joshua Tree once came upon a suicide that occurred seven years earlier. A coprse of a cowboy turned up recently in the shifting, wind driven sands, which sing to us simultaneously of timelessness and transfigurement..." Wow. There seemed to be a lot of dead bodies in this area. I think as a group we sensed about a dozen or so laying just beyond the glow of our camp fire. Everytime one of us went to pee or to gather some firewood, I can safely say we expected to stumble upon a body. Funny what reading stuff like this will do to a perfectly reasonable group of adults, camping alone, in the middle of the very place they're reading about... Taylor continued: "The desert's dryness preserves dead tissue but prolonged exposure to harsh elements will deteriorate a corpse as it will anything else. This makes body dumps very difficult for detectives to investigate, says Lieutenant Dave Baker, chief of the San Bernardino County homicide detail. The most critical times to solve a homicide are the 24 hours immediately before and after a victim's death. But if you can't identify them, you can't find out anything about them. Obviously, the reason the desert is popular as a dumpsite is its isolation. No one is likely to notice a corpse being ditched, nor is anyone likely to stumble across it for sometime. According to Baker, most such finds are made by recreationists." Yikes! *WE* were recreationists. Were we going to stumble upon a corpse? I think we assumed as much that night. Taylor went on: "A lot of the victims - most of them - come from outside the desert, said Baker. The further a killer can seperate himself from his victim, both in terms of miles and alibi, the better off he is. Many people move through the desert, so it's a convenient place to leave the unwanted - corpses included. Lots of people who are into gambling have connections between L.A. and Las Vegas; the whole time they're traveling in between, they're in San Bernardino County. If they have a problem with somebody, this the easiest place to get rid of them. We find lots of bodies within a few miles of Interstate 15." AHHH!!!!! We were camped a few miles from I-15! We really allowed our imaginations to run now. We were very, very nervous. He continuned: "Depending on which side of the road they're on, you can tell whether they were going to or from Vegas. For awhile there was a rumor that an organized crime syndicate was grinding bodies up in a talc plant on Afton Canyon Road." Earlier that day we were on Afton Canyon Road near that location. More food for thought. As Taylor went on he read to us about organized crime rings and paramilitary training camps located near Barstow and Red Mountain, about biologists and park rangers that won't go into certain areas of the Mojave and Death Valley alone, about certain areas of the parks that rangers only visit once a year, about the potential dangers of traveling up remote canyons where the unwary can come across body dumps or drug operations, about the maps Rangers have with dozens and dozens of flags used to mark known and suspected drug labs, about the techniques of late night plane landings used by smugglers on remote desert roads, and about the ranch in the Panamint Valley used by the Manson family after their brutal murder spree in 1969. It was quite a read. In some areas of the desert there are thousands of mine shafts dug deep into the earth. Some are so remote very few even know they still exist. This presents a huge danger to hikers, climbers and explorers, but it also presents a fine location for getting rid of a body or two. Mines and remote dead-end canyons also present ideal locations for people wanting to set up illegal operations. the list went on and on. When he finished reading we were all pretty on edge. Not so much because of any real threat or chance of actually running into something, but simply because the reality that this stuff does go on. It was unsettling all the more because we weren't really prepared to listen to it. It sort of hit us out of left field. None of us had really thought that much about it before and hearing it made us all think a little, and when you think about stuff like that for the first time when you're actually sitting in the middle of the place you're reading about, it makes your mind run a little wild! I don't suppose I'll ever think the same when traveling in remote desert regions, I certainly don't think I'll ever find anything or run into the sort of stuff described in the book, but the fact that it's out their is enough to make one do a mental double-take from time-to-time... Either way, I think it qualified as the scariest camp fire story we'd ever been subjected to. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Thu Apr 11 16:51:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3BKp8l18174 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:51:08 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:51:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200204112051.g3BKp8Q18170@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: "mendo_recce@fourfold.org" Subject: trailer wiring Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org We bought a camping trailer that has it's own battery, and you can run a wire from the towing vehicle to charge the trailer battery while you are driving. Is there anything I should do other than run a wire from the battery in the engine bay? I thought I should add a fuse in the engine bay in case there is a short. Anything else? Thanks, James From bens Thu Apr 11 17:50:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3BLoTD18494 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:50:29 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:50:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200204112150.g3BLoTb18490@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: trailer wiring Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org You know, I think that's all my dad did when we were kids. Just a hot wire back to the battery. Probably best to make it an IGN wire (or better yet, run your wire through a relay closed by IGN power) so it can't be inadvertently left connected with the engine off wherein a faulty trailer battery or connection could drag your car's battery flat. As long as it's only connected when the alternator's running, you should be okay. You could get fancy with isolators and all kinds of things to maximize charging of both batteries, but like I said I think it worked fine for us back when to just have it paralleled in the circuit when the engine was running. -Dave G. From bens Thu Apr 11 18:56:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3BMu7N18829 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:56:07 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:56:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200204112256.g3BMu7C18825@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: trailer wiring Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 21 lines filtered. ] More importantly you should put in an isolator so that your camper cannot discharge your starting battery. You don't need a fancy one. -Rob From bens Thu Apr 11 20:29:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3C0TwU19282 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:29:58 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:29:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200204120029.g3C0Twv19278@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Dillon Beach Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just came back from a quick, first time visit to Dillon Beach (at the mouth of Tomales Bay west of Petaluma). There's a large private camping area named Lawson's Landing where you can camp on green grass backing up to sand dunes and the beach. No offroading allowed (this is Marin!) but it's a great place for a Landrover gathering and/or to launch boats. Their website: www.lawsonslanding.com Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Cotati, CA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From bens Thu Apr 11 20:49:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3C0nlw19392 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:49:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:49:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200204120049.g3C0nkY19388@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Northern CA British car tour Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The following is from a british car enthusiast. While it's not exactly a "Land Rover" event, it could be interesting for those in the area. Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:34:16 -0700 From: rfeibusch1@earthlink.net (Richard Feibusch) Subject: APRIL BRITISH CAR TOUR IN SANTA ROSA NorCal British Tour To The Sea Sunday * April 21, 2002 The North Coast British Car Club & The North Bay British Car Club invite you to participate in their Sunday tour to the sea. A wonderful drive over some of the best sports car touring roads in the world! All British cars and bikes welcome! This event is absolutely FREE!! Dust off that LBC, top off the oil and come along for the fun!!! The first leg of the tour will meet at Coddingtown Mall in Santa Rosa at 8:00AM under the big Coddingtown sign and head for Willits to meet up with the coastal club in the Safeway parking lot (Hwy 101 at Hwy 20) at 10:00AM. The tour then will go on to Westport, with a picnic at a park on Branscomb Road, then will go again after lunch down Hwy 1 where the tour concludes at Fort Bragg. For More information contact Steve at: 707-578-3672 No email was given __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From bens Thu Apr 11 21:56:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3C1u4819706 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:56:04 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:56:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200204120156.g3C1u4f19702@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Dillon Beach Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've seen that while camping at other places and have almost camped there a few times, but just couldn't get away They don't take reservations its 1st come 1st serve, but they claim its never a problem except on holiday weekends. Keep in mind it can be fairly chilly and windy at times... There is suposed to be good claming there, and I've been dying to take the kayak out there also ( assuming wind and currents are sorted properly ) TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe mulqueen" To: "mendo" Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 5:29 PM Subject: Dillon Beach > > Just came back from a quick, first time visit to > Dillon Beach (at the mouth of Tomales Bay west of > Petaluma). > There's a large private camping area named Lawson's > Landing where you can camp on green grass backing up > to sand dunes and the beach. No offroading allowed > (this is Marin!) but it's a great place for a > Landrover gathering and/or to launch boats. [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Apr 11 22:24:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3C2OwA19814 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:24:58 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:24:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200204120224.g3C2Ow319810@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Cc: , Subject: Defender woes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ok, So heres a new one! About a month ago my Defender started making loud lifter like noises. I immediatley parked it until I could investigate it. Eventually I pulled the plugs ( they look OK, Thankfully even a tad moister than not ( good news with the supercharger ) ), checked the wires, the oil level was fine, down 1/2 quart maybe... I decided ( somehow? ) that it was a stuck lifter, and that maybe some rpms would unloosen it, ( it was that or pull the heads which I really didn't have time for ) I drove it to work. Going down the 3000 ft mountain to work was no problem, however on the way up it was noisy again, and would ping under load ( I'm thinking ,great the blowers has toasted my engine! ) Fortunately I was on a back road so I engaged the crawler box and left it in high range, which allowed me to run the engine in a load range with no pinging. I parked her again.... figuring ugly things were in my engines future... Last week a buddy came up ( Charles Irving ) to pick up some Landie parts... He listened to the engine and said, it sound like the top end wasn't getting enough oil.... We shut her down.... Today, I pulled the oil feeder line for the blower and pointed it into the oild filler spout and started her up..... Voila, no oil pumping! I then drained the oil ( semi synthetic prolly easily less than a 4k miles since last change, but it was well over 4+ months ago since last change. IE: lotsa sitting ), I pulled the oil filter fully well expecting that I had lost prime or something, nope! fulla oil.... Funny though, pretty gunked up ( normal )... The oil filter has the main hole with the threads, and then the 10? or so little holes between the gasket and the big threaded hole ( MERV! ).. One of them is input, and one is output direction for oil I spose ( don't know which ? ) but.... I compared the old oild filter with the new one...... The old had some kind of gasket barrier blocking all the little holes ( anti drain back or major flaw in filter???? )..... At any rate the old filter was a "toughgard" ( Fram ) I think..... The new one was a regular orange Fram..... I filled her up, cranked her over, and in a few seconds she was fine! Test drove her and all seems well ( no pinging, valves need oil hmmm ) What does this mean?: I would steer clear of the toughgard if you have a super charger ( the super charger kinda makes the oil dirty in a hurry IMHO )..... whether the filter holes/gasket thingy was a flaw or whether the filter just got clogged up, I don't know just yet ( but will investigate )..... I find it hard to believe slightly dirty synthetic oil could really clog a an oil filter.... anyhow I spose its time for an oil pressure gauge. I have never seen this happen on any other rig? YMMV TomW From bens Thu Apr 11 22:25:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3C2Pkg19843 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:25:46 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:25:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200204120225.g3C2Pkf19839@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeremy Bartlett To: Mendo List Subject: NCRC Address Change Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org For those of you who keep track of this, the Northern California Rover Club mailing address has changed. The new address is: Northern California Rover Club 3020 El Cerrito Plaza, #269 El Cerritto, CA 94530 We've made this change due to increasingly difficult access to the PO Box originally used and poor service from the post office concerned including holding mail without notification. Jeremy NCRC Treas From bens Fri Apr 12 00:35:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3C4ZTZ21505 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:35:29 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:35:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200204120435.g3C4ZTb21501@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: panhard bushings... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > "....rather than sweating, cursing, drilling, and sawing > them out like I did on the panhard....." I took mine out and took them to work to use a hydraulic press. Would have been v. simple it I could have found a suitable sized (metric) drift without borrowing a mechanic's expensive Snap-On socket! Granny From bens Fri Apr 12 00:44:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3C4iDP21539 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:44:13 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:44:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200204120444.g3C4iDI21535@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Re. Knoxville run this year? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'll try it! Let's plan it! Joe Mulqueen (wiling away the telecom dump) '67 SIIA 109 SW >Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 00:19:37 -0400 >From: Jason Pipes >Subject: Knoxville run this year? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From bens Fri Apr 12 01:22:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3C5Mgv21700 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 01:22:42 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 01:22:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200204120522.g3C5MgP21696@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: Knoxville run this year? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org What do you say Blair? Will you take us up there this year? It should still have enough water and mud to make an interesting afternoon... -->Jeff on 4/10/02 9:19 PM, Jason Pipes at jpipes@csd.uwm.edu wrote: > > I recall last year about this time (I think) we did a run to the Knoxville > OHV park up near Clear Lake. I think the highlight of the trip was the rout > getting there, through something like 7 sizeable water crossings. Any ideas > about doing it again this year? Is it too late already for the water > crossings? > > Jason Pipes > jpipes@feldgrau.com [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Apr 12 02:24:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3C6Ofe21904 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 02:24:41 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 02:24:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200204120624.g3C6Ofx21900@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Rich Lee, MD" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Please advise on potential purchase. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi All, My Cousin (and one of the partners in our ranch near Dos Rios) has had a longtime lust for old, stinky, slow diesels. We are also in need of a replacement "Ranch Truck" that will mostly be used to transport lots of kids, friends and firewood over the steep, rocky / muddy roads on our property and adjoining lands. The ideal vehicle would safely transport up to 7 in "top-down splendor" with minimal highway duty, but the ability to make it safely to places as far away as Santa Rosa and back without breakdowns. Somehow he thinks we can satisfy bith his lust and our collective need via the purchase of this vehicle on ebay. The link is: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1818875559 It is a 1964 Series II 88" Soft top with a VW/Volvo 2.4l turbodiesel motor in it. The reserve bid has not been met and the auction is about to close. I think he wants at least $2500 for this unfinished piece of....work. Does anyone know anything about either this vehicle, the owner or the sanity of this conversion? It is located in Santa Rosa. My cousin is also begining to drool over another vehicle that the owner has for sale. It is a 1965 109 SW diesel with a replacement 2.5l (timing belt?) diesel out of an 80's era "90". That's all I know, other than the owner is asking about $5000 for that one. My cousin thinks this one should be reliable enough for family trips to Death Valley and back from Cupertino. It almost sounds like he may buy BOTH, egads! Anyway, I like the Idea of a soft top ranch truck (anybody know where I can get a good, cheap rollbar?), and I am familiar with VW/Audi/Volvo engines from my former days as a Callaway Turbosystem installer. I just don't know how much time I have to help finish the project vehicle. My cousin will have to fend for himself on the issue of the 109, but any input from the Mendo Series experts would be welcome regarding these specific vehicles. To save you time in "educational' replies, we have both read most of the relevant Series info on Ben Smith's website and are reasonably informed "on paper". What we lack is specific insight into the utility of these "mix n' match" diesel trucks as well as what the rest of you know through parts hunting and late-night, bloody-knuckled cursing. Thanks, Rich PS. Don't ANY of you buy these truck out from under us! You might need my medical help on the trail someday and I wouldn't want to be so distracted by sadness over a lost oppurtunity as to mix-up the medications I just gave you: "Gosh was that Vivelle, Vivactyl, Vioxx or Viagra I just him?". But then, I might need psychiatric help if we do buy one of them. From bens Fri Apr 12 03:31:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3C7VQk22168 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 03:31:26 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 03:31:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200204120731.g3C7VQ722164@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Re. Knoxville run this year? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I am interested, too. Sounds great. Charles Phu > >I'll try it! Let's plan it! >Joe Mulqueen >(wiling away the telecom dump) >'67 SIIA 109 SW > > > >Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 00:19:37 -0400 > >From: Jason Pipes [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Fri Apr 12 09:38:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3CDcvd23769 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:38:57 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:38:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200204121338.g3CDcuR23765@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Please advise on potential purchase. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Rich, I would study that engine very close before buying it. I've heard some bad things about it. Bob B At 11:24 PM 4/11/2002, you wrote: >Hi All, > >My Cousin (and one of the partners in our ranch near Dos Rios) has had a >longtime lust for old, stinky, slow diesels. >We are also in need of a replacement "Ranch Truck" that will mostly be >used to transport lots of kids, friends and firewood over the steep, >rocky / muddy roads on our property and adjoining lands. The ideal vehicle >would safely transport up to 7 in "top-down splendor" with minimal >highway duty, but the ability to make [ 45 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Apr 12 09:55:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3CDtmx23942 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:55:48 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:55:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200204121355.g3CDtlW23938@minbar.fourfold.org> From: FHY To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Please advise on potential purchase. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bob & Sue Bernard wrote: >Hi Rich, >I would study that engine very close before buying it. >I've heard some bad things about it. > If it is the same diesel as that used in the Volvo (15 yrs ago?), I know several people (including my sister) that had a lot of problems with the engine. I believe someone may have sued Volvo over that engine. Frank From bens Fri Apr 12 09:58:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3CDwbO23957 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:58:37 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:58:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200204121358.g3CDwbC23953@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Defender woes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >The old had some kind of gasket barrier blocking all the little >holes ( anti drain back or major flaw in filter???? )..... At any rate the >old filter was a "toughgard" ( Fram ) I think..... The new one was a regular >orange Fram..... >I filled her up, cranked her over, and in a few seconds she was fine! Test >drove her and all seems well ( no pinging, valves need oil hmmm ) > >What does this mean?: It most likely means that everything people have been saying about fram oil filters is true. "They are poorly made and do not work well" Oil filters are not a place to use substandard products. WIX is good. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Fri Apr 12 10:03:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3CE39j24002 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:03:09 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:03:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200204121403.g3CE39I23998@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Defender woes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org You NEED that gasket thingy blocking the holes. It is the anti-drainback valve and it keeps oil up in the engine after shutdown. I sorta lost track of which filter was which as far as giving trouble, and I never paid much attention to this until I owned LRs with their silly auto-siphoning oil pumps, but before I buy a filter I always try to seal off and blow into the center hole. If I feel a pressure decay, I try another till I find one with a good seal for the antidrainback valve. I think the LRs like a good seal there. I used Fram filters a long time before I owned Rovers and started doing this test. Now NAPA Gold and AC Delco are about the only commonly available filters I get uniformly good results from. -Dave G. PS - the normal flow of oil is OUT through the threaded hole, but you notice when you pull the filter, the trickle of oil that comes out would be flowing IN to the filter through the center pipe. You need the ADBV to stop that flow of oil. From bens Fri Apr 12 11:15:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3CFFUC24472 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:15:30 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:15:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200204121515.g3CFFTV24468@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Defender woes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Tom, I would find the 800 number for Allied signal and ask to talk to an oil filter engineer. I did this a few years ago when I had a some questions, and got good answers. I wondered about the anti drainback valve in the PH8A. And also had questions about the discontinuing of the number I was using on the old Datsun pickup. (They made the PH8A about 1/2" shorter and replaced several other numbers with it.) Bob B At 07:24 PM 4/11/2002, you wrote: >. One of them is input, and one is output direction for oil I spose >( don't know which ? ) but.... I compared the old oild filter with the new >one...... The old had some kind of gasket barrier blocking all the little >holes ( anti drain back or major flaw in filter???? )..... At any rate the >old filter was a "toughgard" ( Fram ) I think..... The new one was a regular >orange Fram..... >TomW From bens Fri Apr 12 11:50:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3CFogV24652 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:50:42 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:50:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200204121550.g3CFogd24648@minbar.fourfold.org> From: jarrodwyrick@mac.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Lunch in Davis? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Rob, John, and others, Would anyone like to meet for lunch today in Davis? I know this is very short notice, but if you have the time let me know. -Jarrod From bens Fri Apr 12 12:07:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3CG7Jg24793 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:07:19 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:07:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200204121607.g3CG7Iq24789@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: All British car show in Norcal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, There will be the 14th annual all Brit car show here in Chico, Northern California on Sunday June 23. They have a website: www.chicobritish.org Last year there were several Series and several Defenders along with an old British army Ferret. Of course there will be Jag-you-ares, MG's Triumphs, Healeys, Rolls, and others. For John Hess, there will be a valve cover race. (Do you still have the valve cover John?) Need another? Also last year the poster child (marque) was the series land rover. (red early S2A) We took Sherman 69-88 and Olivia 65-88. This year we will take Sherman and bring Axl 51-80. And also Olivia if she hasn't sold by then. Cheers, Bob and Sue Bernard From bens Fri Apr 12 12:35:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3CGZkG24942 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:35:46 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:35:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200204121635.g3CGZkL24938@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: All British car show in Norcal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I went to the show last year and it was a blast! It was a long haul from San Francisco, especially since the show is only one day long, but it was fun none-the-less. I really enjoyed having people ask me all sorts of questions about the 110 and LRs in general. It was also neat as the 110 took 2nd place in the Rover category. Keith took first with his awesome exMOD 109. Bob, didn't you guys take 3rd? I wasn't big on "winning" something but it was fun to get a plaque anyway! My real idea is to show up to a show with the truck totally covered in mud and filth, loaded up with gear and supplies, and park it on the field next to all the pristine show room vehicles! That would be something to see! I wonder if they'd even let me in... Speaking of British car shows, is the Palo Alto field meet going to be off this year as well? I know last year they cancelled it. I recall hearing that one got lots and lots of LRs. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Fri Apr 12 13:17:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3CHHmX25197 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:17:48 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:17:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200204121717.g3CHHl525193@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: All British car show in Norcal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Speaking of British car shows, is the Palo Alto field meet going to be off >this year as well? I know last year they cancelled it. I recall hearing that >one got lots and lots of LRs. The Palo Alto show is back same day, same location (Park on El Camino directly across street from Stanford Shopping Centre, Sunday after Labour day weekend. Aim for showing up around 9:30 to 10 & it is usually over by around 3ish. It was canceled at the last minute last year because the city dug up the road right in front of the park and there was no vehicle access during the scheduled event time. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Fri Apr 12 13:20:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3CHKAU25223 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:20:10 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:20:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200204121720.g3CHKA625219@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Land Rover 6 Cylinder parts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, Well Dormobile is finally here and so the restoration begins. I need some help locating engine and other specific parts associated to the NADA Land Rover 6 Cylinder 2.6L . If you know of any good sources please let me know. Rovers North seems to have a little selection but not as many parts as they do for the 4 cylinder 2.25L. I have two engines that are mostly complete but are in need of rebuilds. I plan to rebuild the original engine but haven't decided what to do with the spare. Cheers, Keith From bens Fri Apr 12 13:41:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3CHfsJ25414 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:41:54 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:41:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200204121741.g3CHfsG25410@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cc: president@norcalrover.org Subject: Re: All British car show in Norcal & Paradise NAR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Jason, That's easy to remedy.... come up a day or so early. We'll take Sherman and go up in the mud and snow to play, recce the High Lakes access, and check out the Paradise NAR (aka Paradise-Lost ) base camp. Now that my hip is fixed, we are up for the event. Checking the NCRC calendar there doesn't seem to be anything planned yet in July. Paradise NAR has historically been scheduled the 3rd weekend in July. Some years you can't get into the High Lakes til the end of July. We'd be willing to move it earlier depending on the snow levels. Let us know if anyones interested in either a pre-ABCS mud/snow run, or Paradise NAR for this year. Bob B At 09:35 AM 4/12/2002, Jason Pipes wrote: >I went to the show last year and it was a blast! >[snip] >My real idea is to show up to a show with the truck >totally covered in mud and filth, loaded up with gear and supplies, and park >it on the field next to all the pristine show room vehicles! That would be >something to see! I wonder if they'd even let me in... From bens Fri Apr 12 13:51:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3CHpZi25486 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:51:35 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:51:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200204121751.g3CHpZ825482@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: All British car show in Norcal & Paradise NAR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bob, Now that I'd come back up to Chico for! I'd love to do a run in the area, and I'd be interested in making a convoy from San Fran as well. Anyone else interested in going? -- Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Fri Apr 12 16:09:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3CK9B126363 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 16:09:11 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 16:09:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200204122009.g3CK9Bq26359@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Land Rover 6 Cylinder parts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dizzy from a Mark 2 Jag works a treat, eh Tom? That's all I can add.... :^( -Dave G. From bens Sat Apr 13 01:19:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3D5JmX29879 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 01:19:48 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 01:19:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200204130519.g3D5Jm429875@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Modified DII Sighting in Marin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was on my way to dinner in Tiburon tonight and saw a lifted Green Disco II with black steel wheels, Safari Guard style front bumper and a roof rack. Anyone we know? Kevin P.S. My neighbor borrowed my 18 year old 9.6V Makita cordless drill and lost it. I'm going to ask for the money to buy a new Makita 9.6V drill but get something better. I'm going to get at least a 14.4V drill, but I'm wondering if anyone thinks it's worth the extra $100 or so to get a 18V drill. I have had good luck with Makita products. but I'm also looking at the DeWalt drills (the DeWalt 14.4V and 18V cost about the same as the Makitas) can anyone recommend a DeWalt over a Makita. From bens Sat Apr 13 01:32:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3D5W5D29952 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 01:32:05 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 01:32:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200204130532.g3D5W4x29948@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: Granny's RR trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TeriAnn, > How was the route? Were there remains of old stations along the way? > What was the route? > > Would you recommend it to others? I would recommend it to others, if they are interested in tracing history and seeing some cool desert scenery. We did it in November and mostly had the trails to ourselves. Finding some of the route, even with a map, would be challenging. John Brabyn probably has some good info on his website about it. If you go to the TopoZone website, you can trace the route northerly from Ludlow, north through Broadwell Valley, Mesquite Spring (we camped near there), through the Mojave Sink to Crucero (where the T&T crosses the UPRR tracks), to Razor (at the intersection of the T&T route with the Mojave Road), Zzyxx (Desert Studies Center), skirting Soda Lake, to Baker, then on north across Silver Lake, through Silurian Valley, Silurian Hills, Valjean Valley, Dumont Dunes (where we camped again), then along the very scenic Amargosa River, to Sperry Wash. Unfortunately, at that point, you have to detour, as vehicles are not permitted in Amargosa Canyon. We'd hoped to get there early enough in the day to hike some of it in the late afternoon, where the setting sun illuminates the cliffs quite spectacularly (so I'm told). We detoured through Sperry Wash, to Tecopa Pass and the Western Talc Mine. Before we rejoined the route near Tecopa, we enjoyed a detour to follow the Tecopa RR route to the interesting Gunsite Mine). That little stretch proved to contain one of the few actual four-wheeling challenges of the trip. >From Tecopa, the T&T route boringly follows the highway north for a distance so we did another detour up the Greenwater Valley, via Furnace Creek Road, to trace a proposed spur (T&T Greenwater Branch) that was not built. We then cut across Deadman Pass (west of Eagle Mountain) to rejoined the route as it crosses the Amargosa Desert to Death Valley Junction (spent the next night near there). That portion of the route was quite flat but was nonetheless particularly interesting for the fact that the telegraph line that originally lay alongside the entire route but which had been destroyed in most areas, was largely intact. The poles were *square* and were mostly still erect, most still with crossbars and lines! Near Death Valley Junction, there are several interesting spurs, one narrow (3') gauge going to the Lila C borax mine (the original reason for building the T&T), and a baby gauge (2' wide!) branching off that to another mine (whose name currently escapes me). Death Valley Junction is interesting in itself, for its very old but still operating Amargosa Opera House and inn. >From DVJ, we continued north along the route (usually on a service road alongside the route), mostly within sight of the highway, north through the Amargosa Desert, through various station sites, and past some interesting scenery (such as Big Dune) to Gold Center (no trace now but was once a big village), From there we headed on to Beatty, Nevada. We had planned to see Rhyolite along the way to our night's detour to Stovepipe Wells but darkness nixed that plan. The next day, we returned to Beatty to complete our route to Goldfield, Nevada. That was as far as the T&T ever reached. By the time it got there, another line had usurped the route on to Tonopah. For that matter, the T&T didn't reach "tidewater" (San Diego) either. But for all that much of what fueled the brief boom of the areas through which it passed, the Tonopah & Tidewater proved remarkably durable, outlasting many of its rivals.. From bens Sat Apr 13 02:09:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3D69nw30087 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 02:09:49 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 02:09:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200204130609.g3D69nc30083@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: Granny's RR trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TeriAnn asked: > How was the route? Were there remains of old stations along the way? > What was the route? > > Would you recommend it to others? I would recommend it to others, if they are interested in tracing history and seeing some cool desert scenery. We did it in November and mostly had the trails to ourselves. Finding some of the route, even with a map, would be challenging. John Brabyn probably has some good info on his website about it. If you go to the TopoZone website, you can trace the route northerly from Ludlow, north through Broadwell Valley, Mesquite Spring (we camped near there), through the Mojave Sink to Crucero (where the T&T crosses the UPRR tracks), to Razor (at the intersection of the T&T route with the Mojave Road), Zzyxx (Desert Studies Center), skirting Soda Lake, to Baker, then on north across Silver Lake, through Silurian Valley, Silurian Hills, Valjean Valley, Dumont Dunes (where we camped again), then along the very scenic Amargosa River, to Sperry Wash. Unfortunately, at that point, you have to detour, as vehicles are not permitted in Amargosa Canyon. We'd hoped to get there early enough in the day to hike some of it in the late afternoon, where the setting sun illuminates the cliffs quite spectacularly (so I'm told). We detoured through Sperry Wash, to Tecopa Pass and the Western Talc Mine. Before we rejoined the route near Tecopa, we enjoyed a detour to follow the Tecopa RR route to the interesting Gunsite Mine). That little stretch proved to contain one of the few actual four-wheeling challenges of the trip. >From Tecopa, the T&T route boringly follows the highway north for a distance so we did another detour up the Greenwater Valley, via Furnace Creek Road, to trace a proposed spur (T&T Greenwater Branch) that was not built. We then cut across Deadman Pass (west of Eagle Mountain) to rejoined the route as it crosses the Amargosa Desert to Death Valley Junction. That portion of the route was quite flat but was nonetheless particularly interesting for the fact that the telegraph line that originally lay alongside the entire route but which had been destroyed in most areas, was largely intact. The poles were *square* and were mostly still erect, most still with crossbars and lines! Near Death Valley Junction, there are several interesting spurs, one narrow (3') gauge going to the Lila C borax mine (the original reason for building the T&T), and a baby gauge (2' wide!) branching off that to another mine (whose name currently escapes me). Death Valley Junction is interesting in itself, for its very old but still operating Amargosa Opera House and inn. >From DVJ, we continued north along the route (usually on a service road alongside the route), mostly within sight of the highway, north through the Amargosa Desert, through various station sites, and past some interesting scenery (such as Big Dune) to Gold Center (no trace now but was once a big village), From there we headed on to Beatty, Nevada. We had planned to see Rhyolite along the way to our night's detour to Stovepipe Wells but darkness nixed that plan. The next day, we returned to Beatty to complete our route to Goldfield, Nevada. That was as far as the T&T ever reached. By the time it got there, another line had usurped the route on to Tonopah. For that matter, the T&T didn't reach "tidewater" (San Diego) either. But for all that much of what fueled the brief boom of the areas through which it passed, the Tonopah & Tidewater proved remarkably durable, outlasting many of its rivals.. From bens Sat Apr 13 02:13:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3D6Dv730118 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 02:13:57 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 02:13:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200204130613.g3D6DvR30114@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Double-Time (Re: Granny's RR trip) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry about sending it twice. I found it still on-screen, un-spell-checked, after I had already checked and sent it. I'd been doing other stuff and thought, hmm, must not have sent it. Dang! Granny From bens Sat Apr 13 07:44:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3DBidv31342 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 07:44:39 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 07:44:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200204131144.g3DBidZ31338@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Land Rover 6 Cylinder parts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hint: That engine is Rover 3-Litre Sedan...P-5 car, I think... :) Charles - off to New Orleans! On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:20:10 -0400 Keith Shukait writes: > > All, > > Well Dormobile is finally here and so the restoration begins. I > need > some help locating engine and other specific parts associated to > the > NADA Land Rover 6 Cylinder 2.6L . If you know of any good sources > please let me know. Rovers North seems to have a little selection [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Sat Apr 13 11:19:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3DFJfU32306 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:19:41 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:19:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200204131519.g3DFJfW32302@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher H. Dow" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 110/Airstream Siting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Wow. It was not me. That combo will be at Mendo, however. C Eric Wilcox wrote: >Sunday, at 2:45pm as I was heading East on Sir Francis Drake Blvd. in San Geronimo, a 110 pulling an Airstream blew past me going West. > From bens Sat Apr 13 11:36:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3DFaNj32399 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:36:23 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:36:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200204131536.g3DFaNl32395@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Oil Filters Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Tom brought up that Land Rover V8s need an anti drainback valve and mentioned that he has been using Fram oil filters. I've always used OEM Land Rover oil filters and get them for just a couple dollars more than a Fram via mail order. Below is info on the anti-drainback valve (and overpressure valve) that Richard Atkinson (an engineering professor) posted to the CSO list: Kevin Kelly The Rover V8 pump is mounted far remote from, and above the level of, the oil in the pan, air will 'break the vacuum' in a loose engine, and allow the oil to drain back through the pump. Most filters in use today have an antidrainback valve (it's the black, or reddish color, neoprene or silicone flap under the ring of filter inlet holes - they're just inside the sealing gasket), since modern engines often use the front of the crankshaft to drive a crescent gear pump, and therefore, again, are above the mean oil level. To check if a filter has such a valve, avoiding the startled looks of sales clerks and other customers, purse your lips and blow into the filter outlet (the threaded hole). If your breath rustles through your moustache out the ring of inlet holes, the valve does not exist or is inadequate for our (Rover) use. If your ears pop and eyeballs bulge, it has the required antidrainback valve. Rover V8 filters should also have an overpressure valve. This can usually be found by looking down inside the threaded outlet hole and seeing if there is a coil spring, usually about an inch diameter and an inch long, near the bottom. This spring holds a steel disk over an aperture, and if the pressure differential across the filter element exceeds a preset amount (usually 8 to 12psi), such as may occur when starting an engine long overdue for an oil change on a very cold winter's day, the valve disk lifts up against the spring and allows (dirty, unfiltered!) oil into the outlet, thereby saving the oil pump and the engine from immediate (not long-term!) damage. Later filters have a phenolic plastic overpressure valve, viewed by looking into the threaded hole to the bottom, and noting the approximately one inch diameter head of the valve. However, in the Rover V8 application, this feature of the filter is less important, since on many of the engine derivatives, there is already such a valve built into the pump. The small thimble-shaped screen covering the pressure relief valve is usually directly visible. From bens Sat Apr 13 12:27:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3DGRoN32647 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:27:50 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:27:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200204131627.g3DGRnA32643@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Rich Lee To: mendo_recce-digest@fourfold.org Subject: Kayaking on Tomales Bay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Tom Walsh wrote: ."...... and I've been dying to take the kayak out there also ( assuming wind and currents are sorted properly )" The word "dying" may be more accurate than you think. I tend to confine most my paddling to whitewater (or at least I used to...my 25 year old kevlar Lettmann Mk VI is now gathering dust out in the barn). However I have a few years of sailing experience on the north end of Tomales bay in small boats and I remember some scary times looking at dorsal fins cruising the waters. These were probably smaller sharks, but I hear that Bodega Head near the mouth of Tomales is a local Mecca for Great Whites. Somehow, the thought of being plot material for "Jaws IV" is more scary to me than avalanches or "keeper" holes on a classV rapid. A friend of mine named Randall Lee (no relation) lost one of his kayaking party to a Great White while paddling out to the Channel Islands in the 70's really bugged me for some reason. However, North Tomales bay is beautiful and I am tempted at the thought of actually paddling it (if I can get may hands on a Sea Kayak), providing it is with a decent size group (larger menu) and Tom leads off, barking like a seal : ) Rover Content: Is there any interest out there for a Rover-Boater trip, either to local remote lakes, or possibly Baja? From bens Sat Apr 13 13:36:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3DHaD000592 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:36:13 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:36:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200204131736.g3DHaDW00588@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Kayaking on Tomales Bay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Rich Lee wrote: > Tom Walsh wrote: > ."...... and I've been dying to take the kayak out there > also ( assuming > wind and currents are sorted properly )" > The word "dying" may be more accurate than you think. > A friend of mine named Randall Lee (no relation) lost > one of his > kayaking party to a Great White while paddling out to the > Channel > Islands in the 70's really bugged me for some reason. Gee I wonder why? ;-0 having grown up just a mile away from the russian river, I spent a lot of time along it and the ocean in Sonoma county. Every guy I knew that was brave enough to surf around that area had stories of the fins everywhere between them and the shore...and sitting there waiting holding breath. I used to swim out in the ocean all the time, but knew to stay away from tomales bay even more than around bodega...personally my only shark contact was a small four-footer that brushed up against me...but that scared teh shit outa me as I realized it could have been something muuuuuch different.....supposedly I walked on water for a few seconds after that rushing back to the beach! ;-) of course no video of it, but my friends have seen me do that twice now. I have a serious respect and fear of/for sharks and prefer to stay away from them. > Rover Content: Is there any interest out there for a > Rover-Boater trip, > either to local remote lakes, or possibly Baja? depending on when and where...I'd be interested...but need to put a little more work into my kayak. It's like a rover in many ways, as it is a mahogany frame with canvas skin, so it needs some attention. Unlike y'all with teh modern plastic boats! ;-) I had actually thought of suggesting a Mendo canoe trip down the Russian River via the W C Bob Trobridge aluminum canoe rentals. We used to do this for years in the boy scouts, than I continued the trips while in college....it's been a while, and about time to get back there....and I think the mendo crowd has about the right combination for such a trip. what do y'all think? ;-) it'd be an easy fun gathering of rovers and fun in the canoes? Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From bens Sat Apr 13 13:50:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3DHoEk00680 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:50:14 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:50:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200204131750.g3DHoDQ00673@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Spencer Knight" To: Subject: RE: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #713 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, question for the group. I have a 4.0 Range Rover apparently with fuel injectors which need to be replaced. The service tech showed me how to remove them, and I was wondering whether anybody knows if fuel injectors, once removed, can be cleaned/serviced/??? and re-installed? The engine isn't running too poorly, but upon start-up it runs a bit rough, apparently because fuel, after the engine is turned off, cotinues to drip into the cylinder, causing the mixture to be much too rich when the engine is first started. Any thoughts? Thanks, Spencer Knight From bens Sat Apr 13 13:50:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3DHokQ00701 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:50:46 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:50:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200204131750.g3DHokM00697@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Kayaking on Tomales Bay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The Rover/canoe trip idea has come up several times over the years. Morgan H. and I have decided several times we should plan one but haven't done so yet. I think it's a great idea. There's the Russian, the Cosumnes, and I'm sure many other flatwater to mild ripples that would be perfect for a one day fun float. I've got a terribly neglected, UV degraded, Mad River canoe that should be cleaned and exercised. If you plan it they will come. Bruce Paul Archibald wrote: > --- Rich Lee wrote: > > > Rover Content: Is there any interest out there for a > > Rover-Boater trip, > depending on when and where...I'd be interested... > > I had actually thought of suggesting a Mendo canoe trip > down the Russian River via the W C Bob Trobridge aluminum > canoe rentals. From bens Sat Apr 13 14:05:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3DI5Tp00773 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:05:29 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:05:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200204131805.g3DI5S900769@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Miles M." To: Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #714 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Please keep me posted on this trip. MILES MULCARE@LCLARK.EDU On 4/12/02 10:19 PM, "Mendo_Recce digest:" wrote: > Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:44:13 -0400 > From: joe mulqueen > Subject: Re. Knoxville run this year? > > I'll try it! Let's plan it! > Joe Mulqueen > (wiling away the telecom dump) > '67 SIIA 109 SW > [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Apr 13 14:25:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3DIPkW00893 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:25:46 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:25:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200204131825.g3DIPkm00889@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Modified DII Sighting in Marin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org We use 14.4's, in general they are much better than the 9.6v. No experiance with 18v. but I doubt you'd need one for non-industrial use. We go through Makita's like there's no tomorrow. Early returns are that the Dewalt's may last a little longer but that could be at least in part who's using it. By longer I mean how many weeks before the drill is destroyed and has to be replaced. Not battery life. My field guys tell me the best drill for our use is a Makita 9.6v impact drill. It has more torque and doesn't "fade" as battery power drops. For around the house they recommend a Dewalt 14.4 since you don't normally need the impact feature for screwing sheetrock etc. YMMV Bruce Kevin Kelly wrote: > I was on my way to dinner in Tiburon tonight and saw a > lifted Green Disco II with black steel wheels, Safari Guard > style front bumper and a roof rack. Anyone we know? > > Kevin > > P.S. My neighbor borrowed my 18 year old 9.6V Makita > cordless drill and lost it. I'm going to ask for the money > to buy a new Makita 9.6V drill but get something better. [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Apr 13 15:24:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3DJOe901126 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:24:40 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:24:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200204131924.g3DJOdM01122@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Electric Drills Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...We go through Makita's like there's no tomorrow....." Heard that. FWIW: When I was a toolmaker/machine builder some of the nuts in the shop bought Makita corded drills. They would last a matter of months before they were falling apart (chucks and gear trains shot). At the same time I bought a Milwaukee 3/8 "Magnum Holeshooter". It saw me through my apprenticeship and is still the one I turn to in time of need. Four years of daily shop use and 15 more of home use. It's on it's 3rd (modular replaceable) cord, but the drill still works like new. My son's son will use this one. That shop use was over and above what sane people do with hand drills. In the interest of time savings, I had ground 3-sided shanks on my taps, and using a tapping block and a little "Cool Tool" cutting fluid, that drill could push a 1/2-13 tap through a 1" thick mild steel table top for a 2B fit, and did so on a regular basis. Just my 2c. -Dave G. From bens Sat Apr 13 15:36:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3DJaja01212 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:36:45 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:36:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200204131936.g3DJaj301208@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Fuel injectors Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...apparently with fuel injectors which need to be replaced...." Before you go to the trouble, test them. Or have them tested. For leaks, that is. The fuel rail/regulator assembly can be removed and with a couple of lengths of 2x2 lying across the plenum top, you can rest the whole unit on top of the engine, reconnect the fuel lines and re-install the injectors in the rail. Lay dry rags under the injector tips and jumper the fuel pump relay. Even if they DO leak a bit with the pump running it's no big deal as the pump only runs with the engine. Shut the fuel pump off and see how long the offending injectors continue to leak (if at all). The diagnosis seems really far fetched to me. For one thing, after a warm shut down, any fuel that does leak into the intake tract is going to evaporate mighty quickly. Definitely before the engine cools down. The LR doesn't use a pressure accumulator to keep pressure on the system, so there are enough internal ways for pressure to leak down when the key's not on. I just can't see that much fuel being dumped into the intake that it would be a problem. The LR has a lot more known problems that effect idle cold or hot. Unless you've already been through a LOT of things on your way to leaky injectors, I sure wouldn't jump to that. And in any case, I'd test them first. No matter what though, be prepared to replace the O-rings at the top and bottom of each injector if you remove them. The years and heat cycling have caused the old ones to take a set and they likely won't re-seal too well. Best of luck! -Dave G. PS - keep the fire extinguisher handy, or better yet, manned by a helper. From bens Sat Apr 13 15:54:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3DJsP201284 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:54:25 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:54:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200204131954.g3DJsPj01280@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Electric Drills Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I don't own a cordless, in large part because nothing compares to my 3/8" Milwaukee. I'm only on my 2nd cord but it needs a 3rd. It's a pain to haul around extension cords but it always does the job. I've also got a 1/2" right angle drill for the heavy work. As close to bulletproof as they come but our field guys still destroy them. Ever use a Milwaukee "Hole Hawg"? They should come with a warning and require a license to operate. Bruce "Gomes, David" wrote: > "...We go through Makita's like there's no tomorrow....." > > ... At the same time I bought a > Milwaukee 3/8 "Magnum Holeshooter". It saw me through my apprenticeship and > is still the one I turn to in time of need. Four years of daily shop use > and 15 more of home use. It's on it's 3rd (modular replaceable) cord, but > the drill still works like new. My son's son will use this one. From bens Sat Apr 13 16:57:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3DKvkf01574 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 16:57:46 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 16:57:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200204132057.g3DKvj501570@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "randy katz" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #714 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I would be interested in participating in a Knoxville run (hard to imagine there is much mud around!) and/or the run to the woods/coast with the British Car Club. I'd be interested in convoying from SF in either case. Randy At 01:19 AM 4/13/02 -0400, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:35:46 -0400 >From: Jason Pipes >Subject: Re: All British car show in Norcal > >I went to the show last year and it was a blast! It was a long haul from San >Francisco, especially since the show is only one day long, but it was fun >none-the-less. I really enjoyed having people ask me all sorts of questions >about the 110 and LRs in general. It was also neat as the 110 took 2nd place >in the Rover category. Keith took first with his awesome exMOD 109. Bob, [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Apr 13 17:41:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3DLfxY01781 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 17:41:59 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 17:41:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200204132141.g3DLfxk01777@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Canoe-trip idea on Russian River or... was Re: Kayaking on Tomales Bay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org OK! Guys...prepare for a note soon after I have figured some things out. A good time would be to go before Summer so there is more decent running water to play in. I used to do a two day trip, but we changed to single day trips by the late 80's as thee was just not the time available, and people available to set up camp as we never carried out gear in the canoes for camp....just lunch stuff... ;-) ..but I'll look into both versions and let y'all know. Also, I had thought for years of combining a rover/canoe trip up north, but hadn't figured out where, will look into that as well. Paul --- "Bruce R. Bonar" wrote: > > The Rover/canoe trip idea has come up several times over > the years. > Morgan H. and I have decided several times we should plan > one but > haven't done so yet. I think it's a great idea. There's > the Russian, > the Cosumnes, and I'm sure many other flatwater to mild > ripples that [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] > Paul Archibald wrote: > > --- Rich Lee wrote: > > > > > Rover Content: Is there any interest out there for a > > > Rover-Boater trip, > > depending on when and where...I'd be interested... > > I had actually thought of suggesting a Mendo canoe trip > > down the Russian River via the W C Bob Trobridge > aluminum > > canoe rentals. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From bens Sat Apr 13 18:31:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3DMVRo02061 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 18:31:27 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 18:31:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200204132231.g3DMVPE02057@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Stenwick" To: , Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #713 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In Tom Sheppard's books "Off-Roader Driving" and "Vehicle Dependant Expedition Guide" there are some photos of a rather high trailer for use off road. It looks to be about 4' wide and 4'-6' long and very sturdy. Anybody have any idea where one might be able to procure a similar one? Bill Stenwick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mendo_Recce digest:" To: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:51 PM Subject: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #713 > > Mendo_Recce digest: Thursday, April 11 2002 Volume 02 : Number 713 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:41:17 -0400 > From: "Gomes, David" > Subject: RE: 50 jeeps in line [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] area > that you are. :^) I'm sort of a book nut. Any recommendations for reading > up on southern Utah 4wd trails/mining roads/ghost towns? > > - -Dave G. > > PS - "...unless the camper has a porta pottie along..." Does a "bumper > dumper" count? (I don't have one...) :^) > > ------------------------------ > [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] via > Amazon or your favorite local independent bookseller. "4 WD Adventures Utah" by > Peter Massey and Jeanne Wilson, published by Swagman, and it includes GPS > coordinates. Lots of nice color photos, and history of mining towns, mining > towns and mining camps, petroglyphs, etc. > > Craig > > "Gomes, David" wrote: > > > Thanks TAW. You spout off those location names like the veteran of the area > > that you are. :^) I'm sort of a book nut. Any recommendations for reading > > up on southern Utah 4wd trails/mining roads/ghost towns? > > > > -Dave G. > > > > PS - "...unless the camper has a porta pottie along..." Does a "bumper > > dumper" count? (I don't have one...) :^) > > ------------------------------ > [ 29 additional quoted lines pruned. ] area > >that you are. :^) > > I've only been there 6 times so far which compared to some makes me a > MOAB neophyte. > > > I'm sort of a book nut. Any recommendations for reading > >up on southern Utah 4wd trails/mining roads/ghost towns? > > Not really. I tend to wonder around and ask locals about interesting [ 85 additional quoted lines pruned. ] public > lands, hitting things out there most often means that you ain't on the trail > anymore. Not being on the trail can fuel the fire for folks who'd like to > close those trails to vehicles. Also, if you hit things, keep in mind that > those things are going to be passing under the vehicle trying to reach up > and tear out brake line hoses, mufflers, tailpipes, wiring, and assorted > other goodies you'd probably rather keep. Of course, those bumpers are good > for hanging a winch on, I guess. > > > (tracing the Tonopah-Tidewater RR route from Ludlow, CA to > >Goldfield, NV), > > Check John Braybin's most excellent site (and see his Range Rover) > http://rangerovers.net/expeditions/t&t/index.htm > > All John needs is to add a map. Maybe he's got one there, but I just can't > find it. > > Tom Gross > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:51:14 -0400 > From: Keith Shukait > Subject: Dormobile Time [ 28 additional quoted lines pruned. ] available via > > Amazon or your favorite local independent bookseller. "4 WD Adventures Utah" by > > Peter Massey and Jeanne Wilson, published by Swagman, and it includes GPS > > coordinates. Lots of nice color photos, and history of mining towns, mining > > towns and mining camps, petroglyphs, etc. > > > [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] > > - -- > James Howard > Naval Research Lab > Code 7215, NPOI Project > RR14, Box 447 [ 15 additional quoted lines pruned. ] were > > something that Aussies needed when they were chasing 'roos through the > > roadless outback, or that the Baja 1000 folks needed when they were out > > knocking over cactus. Given that most of us go on trails that are on public > > lands, hitting things out there most often means that you ain't on the trail > > > > I still have the stock one on our RR, and I want a bumper-bullbar > assemblage for the following reasons: > > 1. To keep the brush from damaging my headlights and turn signal lights. > 2. To have something decent to jack up the front with a high-lift jack. > 3. Hopefully it would have something good to attach a tow rope to. > [ 30 additional quoted lines pruned. ] would > come through! > > OK here's how my list is now > > 1, Manuals, I'll buy the loose leafs North American one and get it drilled > for a cheap binder. > > 2, Springs, OME mediums and OME shocks I agree with TeriAnn, keep them > matched. even though Bill at GBR makes a good point for the Bilstiens. [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] running > and what to look for. I have printed out a list of tires from Tire Rack.com > and will shop around town. > > 4, ARB bumper wins out (it's a price thing) Tom, all the body damage I have > done to my truck, have been sustained on marked "trails" legally. their are > some pretty steep/deep ruts on the Miller jeep trail > > 5, go driving, and hope I don't spend all the rest of my money on silly > things like beds for my children > > So this is how you all will hopefully see the truck when we get to Cedar > camp. And looking forward to my first "trans-Mendo" > > ------------------------------ [ 40 additional quoted lines pruned. ] mainly for offroad use and not for any type of daily use, so take that into account. I also didn't wat to go too extreme because that's when other tings start breaking. Here's what I have. > > 1. I have have the loose leaf binder NAS manual. It has been very useful. > 2. Springs. I had MD OEM on the front and HD OEM on the rear. But changed the front to HD OEM because the front no longer had a lift after I put the winch on. I chose the OEM over the OME because I understand that they don't sag as quickly. Don't know if that is true, but that's the rumor. Also have OME shocks. > 3. Just put on some 245/75s BFG mt KM's on Nato wheels. Lots of clearance. The truck has lost some of its sound proofing over the years (that and the interior trim is being slowly removed) so I can't ell if there is more noise or not. It's just generally loud even with old XPCs. > 4. ARB front bumper. I liked the safari guard but way too much $$ and requires the SG steering protector (more $$). I also like the ARB because it has a nice flat surface to stand on to either look out onto the horizon, or reach into the engine compartment. > 5. I have the Brit Pac steering guard. I don't think it is as strong as the RN version (mine is slightly concave from the mud run). It also required some rework to get it to fit with the ARB bumper. > 6. I have the older RN sliders (no hi lift points, which I wish I did). They securely attach to the rockers and the frame. Very solid. One note is they do transfer a bit of vibration to the body. > 7. Stock rear bumper (with end caps that fall off all the time). > 8. Also have the brownchurch 1/2 roof rack. Not as low-pro as the brit pac. But it's the place that my spare currently goes (until I figure out a good way to mount the spare directly to the roof in front of the rack. > > And yes completely out of money now. > > Good luck. > > > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:21:49 -0400 > From: Matt Wilson > Subject: advice on kitting out 89 RR [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] I > finally bought a RR. Monday the fifteenth I pick up a 1989 RR county > classic. So now I'm asking! (Every one feel free to chime in) I have listed > my purchases in order of importance and I'll work my way down until I'm out > cash. > > First; > Known car history bought new in Santa Barbara in 1989, now has 130,000 > miles. Dealer serviced through warranty then serviced at East west motors. > Original owners manual with stamps owner has stack of receipts also. I used > John Brabyn's site to educate myself and took it with me to look over the > truck. All electrical stuff works, looks like the steering box has been > replaced etc. car sifts smooth and engine seems strong... > > Second; > I intend to use the truck for the following, Mohave road, Downieville, Baja > California, etc. so I would say moderate off road. Oh yeah, I want to do the > Mud-Run! Or the nur-dum > > 1, Manuals, the green bible has been fantastic for the series III. should I > buy the loose leaf binder model $145 or can I get by with the bound European > edition? > > 2, Springs (trucks sagging in the right rear now) Medium OME springs and > shocks? A little bird told me BP is going to have a sale, > > 2A, Bushings, stock, or the blue poly? > > 3, Tires (Ok I know this subject has been beaten to death, but I'm still > confused) what about BFG mud terrains LT235/85R 16E? To big? To small? To > loud? Tire selection is where I really need the help. > > 4, Front bumper ARB or Safari guard? I'm leaning towards the ARB from a cost > stand point. (I tend to hit things on the trail :-)) > > 5, steering protection, what to do? > > 6, Rock sliders, Recommendations? I'm leaning towards making my own. > > 7, Rear bumper, I am trying to find one that has a swinging gate for a > spare tire and gas can. > > Well I'm out of money now! > > Thanks for your input, and I hope to see a lot of you at Joe-Lucas. > > Matt W > > PS Granny one more question, We want to leave cedar camp on Sunday and drive > over to the 101 (planning on making this trip, a trans-Mendo) can you > recommend a route? > > > - --- > Eric > > > See Dave Matthews Band live or win a signed guitar [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] http://r.lycos.com/r/bmgfly_mail_dmb/http://win.ipromotions.com/lycos_020201 /splash.asp > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:58:34 -0400 > From: "Gomes, David" > Subject: RE: More kitting out 89 RR > > For the bumper alone you don't need anything extra. It won't weigh much > more than the stock bumper/brushbar assembly. If you add a winch, it will [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] springs > as part of a winch addition. > > No worries, you'll be able to cover a LOT of ground with the setup as you've > defined it. Maybe add one thing. Some home-made tethers for the rear > bumper end caps. Saves hiking back after them. :^) > > - -Dave G. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:18:11 -0400 > From: Ed Sanman [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] didn't > use the showers, but popped in for a look as we were leaving. They were > very clean. > Our campsite was up in some trees just below a massive piece of slick rock. > Great hosts, great views, and no one there during last years EJS. They've > got a site at www.canyonlandsneedlesoutpost.com > Normally we'd camp on BLM land ourselves, but this place definitely stood > head and shoulders above similar facilities. The hostess is a real hoot, > and maybe a little eccentric. > From the Needles Outpost, the start of the Lockhart Basin Road is only a > half mile or so back to the East. It's an awesome way to get from > Canyonlands to Moab. And it takes you right to Kane Creek as well. BTW, > there's no way a passenger car could negotiate Kane Creek Canyon. One could > get to maybe the deeper water crossing, but wouldn't go any further than > that even at low flow. > Ed > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:40:15 -0400 > From: "Gomes, David" > Subject: RE: Canyonlands, Kane Creek and Lockhart Basin [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] with > those more southern areas? Escalante, Bryce, Cedar Breaks, Beaver County? > > - -Dave G. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:03:26 -0400 > From: TeriAnn Wakeman > Subject: Re: Canyonlands, Kane Creek and Lockhart Basin [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] could > >get to maybe the deeper water crossing, but wouldn't go any further than > >that even at low flow. > > Guess all those cars I saw were air lifted in then. > > I was refering to the maintined dirt road between the tarmac and harrah > pass. Plenty smooth. 2 water crossings in shallow gullys, the deepest > maybe 8 inches of water. Seriously there were a number of passanger cars > there. Some with dirt bikers, some with rock climbers. [ 33 additional quoted lines pruned. ] afternoon > > and plan to get back with him this evening after he's had a chance to look > > up a few particulars. > > > > I was actually thinking more of making our over-night down around Natural > > Bridges somewhere, and then continuing on west from there on day 2, ending > [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] > > - -- > James Howard > Naval Research Lab > Code 7215, NPOI Project > RR14, Box 447 > Lake Mary Road > Flagstaff, AZ 86001 [ 71 additional quoted lines pruned. ] been > there > 2- Introduce others to the joys of traveling from A to B by circuitous > routes, avoiding the interstate entirely, and pavement where possible > 3- Visit some sites that aren't in all the tour books, and have a little > history from other sources to make the visits interesting (Loved your Mormon > Trail tidbit) > > I know it's a lot to ask form one quick trip, but the goal of this trip is > really to inspire interest in future trips for more extended stays in > smaller areas. > > Thanks again! > > - -Dave G. [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] trail > > anymore. > > I beg to differ. I can safely say I've not used Spot off of a legal trail. Yet > I destroyed a stock LR bumper and have severely tested my Shipman bumper. > Granted I may not be a great driver ( and I also find some tough legal trails) > but an upgraded bumper/bull/brush bar can offer significant body panal > protection if you even begin to push the envelope outside graded roads. They > also offer a secure front recovery point that is sorely missing on most stock > bumpers, a jack point, and a place to mount a winch without losing approach > angle. > > > Not being on the trail can fuel the fire for folks who'd like to > > close those trails to vehicles. > > Very true but not relevant to upgrading the bumper. > > > Also, if you hit things, keep in mind that > > those things are going to be passing under the vehicle trying to reach up > > and tear out brake line hoses, mufflers, tailpipes, wiring, and assorted > > other goodies you'd probably rather keep. > > Add under body protection to the list. > > > > (tracing the Tonopah-Tidewater RR route from Ludlow, CA to > > >Goldfield, NV), > > Do tell more!! [ 21 additional quoted lines pruned. ] agates, > fools gold and petrified wood, he might just take you into the back shed > where he has some brontosaurus thigh bones that he 'just found' out in the > desert. > > This guy typifies your rural Utah experience to the 'T'. > > Lots more where that came from.... > > Michael [ 117 additional quoted lines pruned. ] 101. > > > There are also smaller, southeasterly trails that go > > through villages named Bartlett Springs and Hough > > Springs. > > And many more in between and off to the side and... > > > Granny [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] rout > getting there, through something like 7 sizeable water crossings. Any ideas > about doing it again this year? Is it too late already for the water > crossings? > > Jason Pipes > jpipes@feldgrau.com > www.feldgrau.com > > 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 > [ 104 additional quoted lines pruned. ] maybe > to > meet you near the Mummy caves in Canyon de Chilly....." > > Hee Hee!!!! Now you're talkin! > > Thanks again, > - -Dave G. > > ------------------------------ [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] some > good maps. I'm also planning to use this trip as a recce for future ones > and hopefully take some pictures that will inspire the LA folks to come a > little farther afield to meet us next time. > > Dave G. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:24:07 -0400 [ 16 additional quoted lines pruned. ] dangerous > > crossing (Rice Fork of the Eel, near Bear Creek). > > Surely you jest Granny. :-) Now if I can just find those pictures of Jim's > lunch floating out the window. > > Bruce > 94 D90 "S.S. Spot" > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:31:27 -0400 > From: Charles R Irvin [ 109 additional quoted lines pruned. ] and > keen to the fact we were sitting around a fire, more-or-less alone, far from > anyone else in the middle of the Mojave. Continuing to listen to Taylor read, > we clung to his every word. > > "As a rule, bodies aren't bruied. Similar to more conventional refuse, they > might be dropped down mine shafts or bagged and burned, but usually they're > just unloaded from a car. Occasionally they give evidence of having been > dispatched on the spot. Some are missing fingers, arms, legs, or heads. In a > road turnout near Sheephole Pass in the East Mojave, a driver once found a > human hand; a subsequent three-day search of the area produced two corpses, > but between them they had four hands. Both turned out to be people who had > been missing for some time." > > Ok, ok. We were a little, um, paranoid now. Not the reasonable sort of sane, > legitimate paranoid, the kind of paranoid you might get over knowing your > driving someplace with really low oil or to an event knowing your parking > break isn't fully working. It was that sort of totally silly, unwarrented > paranoid. The kind that can play tricks on you and make you do and say > really, really silly things. > > The chapter went on: > > "Some corpses have been found with hands cuffed behind their backs and [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] suicide > - - thought this is another popular way to leave a body in the desert. You > have to wonder why someone would drive all the way out here to kill himself, > says Bob Moon, former resources chief at Joshua Tree National Monument. But > often they leave notes saying how they love this place where they've had so > many momements of peace and solitude. backpackers in Joshua Tree once came > upon a suicide that occurred seven years earlier. A coprse of a cowboy > turned up recently in the shifting, wind driven sands, which sing to us > simultaneously of timelessness and transfigurement..." > > Wow. There seemed to be a lot of dead bodies in this area. I think as a group > we sensed about a dozen or so laying just beyond the glow of our camp fire. > Everytime one of us went to pee or to gather some firewood, I can safely say > we expected to stumble upon a body. Funny what reading stuff like this will > do to a perfectly reasonable group of adults, camping alone, in the middle of > the very place they're reading about... > > Taylor continued: > > "The desert's dryness preserves dead tissue but prolonged exposure to harsh > elements will deteriorate a corpse as it will anything else. This makes > body dumps very difficult for detectives to investigate, says Lieutenant > Dave Baker, chief of the San Bernardino County homicide detail. The most > critical times to solve a homicide are the 24 hours immediately before and > after a victim's death. But if you can't identify them, you can't find out > anything about them. Obviously, the reason the desert is popular as a > dumpsite is its isolation. No one is likely to notice a corpse being > ditched, nor is anyone likely to stumble across it for sometime. According > to Baker, most such finds are made by recreationists." [ 96 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Apr 13 20:36:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3E0a2r02527 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 20:36:02 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 20:36:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200204140036.g3E0a2f02523@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: New Land Rovers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I went for a run today and as I was heading toward downtown I thought I would stop by the MBZ dealer to check out the (great looking) new SL close up. I walked across the street to the Land Rover dealer and was looking at a limited edition black on black on black 2002 Range Rover (I don't think we will see many of these off road) and I was told the all new 2003 Range Rover should be at the dealers in about a month. I also took a close look at a Freelander and was surprised that they all had rear drum brakes. Kevin From bens Sat Apr 13 20:59:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3E0xKA02624 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 20:59:20 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 20:59:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200204140059.g3E0xJI02620@minbar.fourfold.org> From: FHY To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Modified DII Sighting in Marin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bruce R. Bonar wrote: >... >We go through Makita's like there's no tomorrow. > But isn't that because they are booked as consumables. How many are in garages? Frank From bens Sat Apr 13 21:18:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3E1IQ302722 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 21:18:26 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 21:18:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200204140118.g3E1IPX02718@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Isaac Fain To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New Land Rovers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kevin - I had a chance to sit in one of the lim edition "Westminster" rangies here in seattle and kick around it a bit. those are _nice_!! The ebony black wood treatment inside was top-notch. cheers, isaac / seattle --- Kevin Kelly wrote: > > I went for a run today and as I was heading toward downtown > I thought I would stop by the MBZ dealer to check out the > (great looking) new SL close up. > > I walked across the street to the Land Rover dealer and was > looking at a limited edition black on black on black 2002 > Range Rover (I don't think we will see many of these off > road) and I was told the all new 2003 Range Rover should be [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From bens Sat Apr 13 22:08:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3E287b02912 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 22:08:07 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 22:08:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200204140208.g3E287902908@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Kayaking on Tomales Bay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Saturday, April 13, 2002, at 09:27 AM, Rich Lee wrote: > However, North Tomales bay is beautiful and I am tempted at the thought > of actually paddling it (if I can get may hands on a Sea Kayak), > providing it is with a decent size group (larger menu) and Tom leads > off, barking like a seal : ) Yep Kayaking there is good fun (there's also a place that rents them). Didn't see any sharks. Didn't know about any sharks (just as well!). > > Rover Content: Is there any interest out there for a Rover-Boater trip, > either to local remote lakes, or possibly Baja? > That would be awesome! I'd be very into something local as well as sea kayaking somewhere (haven't done that for years and sorely miss it). Shannon From bens Sun Apr 14 01:11:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3E5BKj04692 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 01:11:20 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 01:11:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200204140511.g3E5BKO04688@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Canoe-trip idea on Russian River or... was Re: Kayaking on Tomales Bay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I suggest a local day trip to Loch Lomond 1st... especially since your boats never been in the water ( at least with you in it! ) TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Archibald" To: Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 2:41 PM Subject: Canoe-trip idea on Russian River or... was Re: Kayaking on Tomales Bay > > OK! Guys...prepare for a note soon after I have figured > some things out. A good time would be to go before Summer > so there is more decent running water to play in. I used to > do a two day trip, but we changed to single day trips by > the late 80's as thee was just not the time available, and > people available to set up camp as we never carried out > gear in the canoes for camp....just lunch stuff... ;-) > [ 44 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Apr 14 01:23:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3E5NnP04743 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 01:23:49 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 01:23:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200204140523.g3E5Nn004739@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Canoe-trip idea on Russian River or... was Re: Kayaking on Tomales Bay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Tom Walsh wrote: > > I suggest a local day trip to Loch Lomond 1st... > especially since your boats > never been in the water > ( at least with you in it! ) Say when! ;-) so very true! I need to pull it down from the sling and get some quick work done on it...than we can go out and you can laugh at me....remember I am a canoist, not a kayaker, so it'll be funny at first! I suggest bring along a camera! ;-) Paul (really need to put in the new o-rings and gaskets int the ol' Nikonos so I can have a camera that can get wet w/o worry...) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Archibald" > > OK! Guys...prepare for a note soon after I have > figured > > some things out. A good time would be to go before > Summer > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From bens Sun Apr 14 01:29:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3E5TEl04772 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 01:29:14 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 01:29:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200204140529.g3E5TE404768@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Canoe-trip idea on Russian River or... was Re: Kayaking on Tomales Bay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org get started on it ASAP and get your foot peg thing fixed! What gear do you have yet? ( paddles, life jacket ect...? ) Aother closer place might be Lexington Resevoir.. although the water level is still inexplicably low? or Stevens Creek Resevoir ( you can rent Ocean ( diving style ) Kayaks there! ) TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Archibald" To: Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 10:23 PM Subject: Re: Canoe-trip idea on Russian River or... was Re: Kayaking on Tomales Bay > > > --- Tom Walsh wrote: > > > > I suggest a local day trip to Loch Lomond 1st... > > especially since your boats > > never been in the water > > ( at least with you in it! ) > [ 27 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Apr 14 01:52:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3E5qDS04866 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 01:52:13 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 01:52:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200204140552.g3E5qDa04862@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Canoe-trip idea on Russian River or... was Re: Kayaking on Tomales Bay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Tom Walsh wrote: > > get started on it ASAP and get your foot peg thing fixed! > > What gear do you have yet? ( paddles, life jacket ect...? > ) I have paddles, 3mm wet-suit for really cold if needed...kayak jacket, water shoes...but no helmet or life jacket yet....really wanted to come up with floatation bags for fore and aft just in case....as it is a skin boat after all, and if I catch something sharp underwater, I'm sunk (literally!) > Aother closer place might be Lexington Resevoir.. > although the water level > is still inexplicably low? or > Stevens Creek Resevoir ( you can rent Ocean ( diving > style ) Kayaks there! ) hmmmmm! ok! I'll take it down tomorrow and tear into things. Paul (I still nead to rig up a carrying system for it. As I am just tearing the radiator out of the disco finally to get it repaired, I will probably weld up a rack assy for Elgie this week....that will be interesting! The kayak is 18' and an 88" is what? twelve? can't remember, but with the pick-up top it looks even shorter...) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Archibald" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 10:23 PM > Subject: Re: Canoe-trip idea on Russian River or... was > Re: Kayaking on > Tomales Bay > [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From bens Sun Apr 14 04:27:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3E8Rrh05585 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 04:27:53 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 04:27:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200204140827.g3E8Rr905581@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. LR canoe trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Since I don't have one, I have first dibs on Keith Shukait's canoe - unless he goes! Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From bens Sun Apr 14 10:28:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3EESsR06864 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 10:28:54 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 10:28:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200204141428.g3EESs106859@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: D110 For Sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I just got an e-mail from my friend Dan in Tahoe that said: >FYI , I saw a D110 for sale in the Reno paper today >asking $ 39K I think it came with extras, if you know >anyone interested, the ad said it was 1 of 500. Kevin From bens Sun Apr 14 10:28:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3EESsQ06853 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 10:28:54 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 10:28:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200204141428.g3EESrg06845@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Off Road Trailer Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bill Stenwick wrote: >In Tom Sheppard's books "Off-Roader Driving" and >"Vehicle Dependant Expedition Guide" there are some >photos of a rather high trailer for use off road. I was at Safeway today and noticed an off road magazine (I forget which one) with a Green D90 in Moab on the cover. Inside it had a feature on a cool off road trailer for a D90 that even had D90 wheels (the magazine also had a Land Rovers in Moab article with photos of Michael Slade and the Serious One). Kevin Kelly P.S. I remember someone writing about a Serious One article in another magazine, which one was it? P.P.S. Thanks for all the cordless drill info... From bens Sun Apr 14 10:28:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3EESsk06860 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 10:28:54 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 10:28:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200204141428.g3EESsx06852@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Replacing Fuel Injectors Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Spencer Knight wrote: >I have a 4.0 Range Rover apparently with fuel injectors >which need to be replaced. The service tech showed >me how to remove them, and I was wondering whether >anybody knows if fuel injectors, once removed, can be >cleaned/serviced/??? and re-installed? Then Dave G. wrote: >The diagnosis seems really far fetched to me. I doubt it if you need new injectors since they usually last a long time before wearing out. Since a set of injectors and o rings costs well over $500 I'm sure people on the Land Rover lists would be complaining if they had to be replaced often (I can't remember anyone ever replacing a full set of injectors). Kevin Kelly P.S. Has anyone used the parts site below?http://www.thepartsbin.com/land_rover_parts.html From bens Sun Apr 14 13:01:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3EH11407462 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 13:01:01 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 13:01:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200204141701.g3EH11f07458@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Electric Drills Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...They should come with a warning...." Yeah, something like "minimum 12 inch forearms required to operate this tool". Kind of like the amusement park, they could give you a plastic ring in the box with the drill and if you could fit your forearm through the ring, you were likely to get hurt. :^) -Dave G. From bens Sun Apr 14 13:07:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3EH7Hi07491 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 13:07:17 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 13:07:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200204141707.g3EH7Gr07487@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: D110 For Sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...the ad said it was 1 of 500...." Well, technically each and every one of them is 1 of 500. I doubt it's the "first" of 500. I think I saw something about LRNA holding on to some of the early ones.....But Ben would know lots better than I. -Dave G. From bens Sun Apr 14 13:42:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3EHgov07615 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 13:42:50 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 13:42:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200204141742.g3EHgo007611@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Electric Drills Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All this talk of electric drills prompted me to break down and replace my Porter Cable that gave up the ghost last year. I got an 18v. Dewalt cordless and 'snuck' it in the house last night. Funny thing, I have a clogged drain and had to go buy a drain snake at Home Depot this morning. When Polla (the wife) saw me using the drain snake with a drill she didn't know was around, she didn't ask. I think she saw the bigger picture of getting the drain unclogged. Is there a plumbing e-list???? (perhaps a marriage counseling e-list too?) Michael (knee deep in muck...) _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Sun Apr 14 13:57:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3EHvFw07684 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 13:57:15 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 13:57:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200204141757.g3EHvFg07680@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Replacing Fuel Injectors Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org <<< From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: D110 For Sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >"...the ad said it was 1 of 500...." > >Well, technically each and every one of them is 1 of 500. I doubt it's the >"first" of 500. I think I saw something about LRNA holding on to some of >the early ones.....But Ben would know lots better than I. Exactly, I'm sure the ad meant the truck was 1 (out) of 500, not that it WAS (the #) 1 of 500. I do believe though that NAS D110 1/500 is a truck that is out and about and not held by LR as an example vehicle. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Sun Apr 14 18:21:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3EMLeh08734 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:21:40 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:21:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200204142221.g3EMLed08730@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Regent needs a fuel pump Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well I went to pick up a new lemon tree, and Regent decided to stumble a lot. I switched tanks thinkging I got some bad gas. No fix. Limped home. He barely starts and then dies. I adjusted points since this was the last thing I did. Nothing. I checked carb and float. Both were fine. I disconnected fuel line and hand pumped. Nothing came out. I disconnected the input pipe into the fuel pump, and gase poured out from gravity, so its the pump. I pulled the pump, and the diaphram is ok, but the arm that activates it is really sloppy, and has to go way up to get the diaphram to pump. SOOO. buy a new mechanical pump, or blank off the engine hole, and put on a new fangled solid state electric? -Rob From bens Sun Apr 14 19:17:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3ENHnv08943 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 19:17:49 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 19:17:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200204142317.g3ENHmI08939@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Ogilvie" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Regent needs a fuel pump Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org FWIW, if you're going to higher altitudes, above 10,000' or so, you will be better off with an electric pump. My truck wouldn't run above 12,000' with the stock pump. On my Weber 32/36 equipped truck, the gas seems to evaporate out of the float bowl if left for a week or so without being run. Takes a lot of cranking to get the float bowl filled again. Since I don't want to needlessly put wear on the starter, will be switching over to an electric fuel pump. Having fuel nearly as soon as the ignition is switched on will save me a lot of wear and tear. Aloha Peter O. >From: "Kerner, Rob" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" >Subject: Regent needs a fuel pump >Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:21:40 -0400 > >Well I went to pick up a new lemon tree, and Regent decided to stumble a >lot. I switched tanks thinkging I got some bad gas. No fix. Limped home. > [ 15 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Aloha Peter Ogilvie Kona Coffee Rover 1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering from exposure of the dark side. 1966 109 pickup 'slime' In my garage since '90, finally running. 1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava. 196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Sun Apr 14 19:31:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3ENVkK09012 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 19:31:46 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 19:31:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200204142331.g3ENVk909008@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Regent needs a fuel pump Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Would this have anything to do with why our 110 had stalling issues while attempting obstacles on various high elevation trails? It was most apparent when attempting something slow on an inclide or decline, above 7-8,000 ft. I recall on Blue Lakes last year the truck repeatedly stalling out when going slowly over certain spots, but was otherwise fine, and it has never occured in lower elevations regardless. >FWIW, if you're going to higher altitudes, above 10,000' or so, you will be >better off with an electric pump. My truck wouldn't run above 12,000' with >the stock pump. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Sun Apr 14 19:37:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3ENbBU09041 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 19:37:11 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 19:37:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200204142337.g3ENbBq09037@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Regent needs a fuel pump Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've got a fuel pump. Trade for the propane tank? >Well I went to pick up a new lemon tree, and Regent decided to stumble a >lot. I switched tanks thinkging I got some bad gas. No fix. Limped home. > >He barely starts and then dies. I adjusted points since this was the last >thing I did. Nothing. I checked carb and float. Both were fine. > >I disconnected fuel line and hand pumped. Nothing came out. I disconnected >the input pipe into the fuel pump, and gase poured out from gravity, so its >the pump. [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Sun Apr 14 20:17:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3F0HuQ09192 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 20:17:56 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 20:17:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200204150017.g3F0HuU09188@minbar.fourfold.org> From: FHY To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Regent needs a fuel pump Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason Pipes wrote: >Would this have anything to do with why our 110 had stalling issues while >attempting obstacles on various high elevation trails? > I'm not sure of why you were having a stalling problem, but Regent is a Series and, unlike the Defender, it uses - as supplied from the factory - a mechanical pump. Many, me included, have added (actually done by PO) an electronic fuel pump - the kind that can be purchased at Napa, Kragen, Pep Boys for about $20-40. My S2 will not go uphill for any distance without turning on the electronic pump. Frank From bens Sun Apr 14 20:41:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3F0fXY09292 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 20:41:33 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 20:41:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200204150041.g3F0fWW09288@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Regent needs a fuel pump Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 05:17 PM 4/14/2002, Franklin wrote: >I'm not sure of why you were having a stalling problem, but Regent is a >Series and, unlike the Defender, it uses - as supplied from the factory >- a mechanical pump. Many, me included, have added (actually done by >PO) an electronic fuel pump - the kind that can be purchased at Napa, >Kragen, Pep Boys for about $20-40. My S2 will not go uphill for any >distance without turning on the electronic pump. > >Frank Hi, Sherman has a cap over the hole for the mechanical pump and uses only an electric. The old mechanical pump was starting to dump oil out the drain hole and I've heard of others doing it even worse along the highway. (like Bens) I had some vapor lock symptoms too. So I switched. I remember my original L-R 1950 had electric from the factory and it would fill the carb bowl quickly no matter how long it had sat. The old S1 Solex would drain overnight, but it was not an issue with the electric pump. Bob B From bens Sun Apr 14 20:43:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3F0hPH09308 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 20:43:25 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 20:43:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200204150043.g3F0hPa09304@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Regent needs a fuel pump Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >SOOO. buy a new mechanical pump, or blank off the engine hole, and put on a >new fangled solid state electric? The Land Rover carbs prefer low fuel pressure which is exactly what the stock mechanical pump provides. If you go to an electric you might also want to purchase a fuel pressure regulator and a fuel pressure gauge. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Sun Apr 14 20:49:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3F0n9C09338 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 20:49:09 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 20:49:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200204150049.g3F0n9k09334@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Regent needs a fuel pump Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 05:43 PM 4/14/2002, you wrote: >The Land Rover carbs prefer low fuel pressure which is exactly what the >stock mechanical pump provides. If you go to an electric you might also >want to purchase a fuel pressure regulator and a fuel pressure gauge. > >TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Good point TeriAnn, The electric pumps are available with much lower pressure for imports. Bob B From bens Sun Apr 14 21:01:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3F11qB09403 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 21:01:52 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 21:01:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200204150101.g3F11qi09399@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Regent needs a fuel pump Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org rob,all, i never had any (yet) issue with the mechanical fuel pump, i driven in higher altitude maybe 7k ft. with no problems, i leave the 109 sitting on the street for weeks without starting issues even during hot summer days, i do have an lumination to start the car, if the mechanical pump fails i would like to know which way to go also cheers, fil IIA 109 with rochester > >On my Weber 32/36 equipped truck, the gas seems to evaporate out of the >float bowl if left for a week or so without being run. Takes a lot of >cranking to get the float bowl filled again. Since I don't want to >needlessly put wear on the starter, will be switching over to an electric >fuel pump. Having fuel nearly as soon as the ignition is switched on will >save me a lot of wear and tear. > >Aloha [ 33 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Sun Apr 14 21:32:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3F1WDL09524 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 21:32:13 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 21:32:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200204150132.g3F1WDk09520@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Regent needs a fuel pump Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >if the mechanical pump fails i would like to know which way to go also One of the nice things about LR mechanical pumps is that even when they fail they almost always pump something to the carb & the vehicle is capable of movement. When an electrical pump stops pumping you are SOL unless you have a backup pump in your spares kit. The stock or stock like pump BP caries can be rebuilt quickly & easily on the trail, the rebuild kit takes virtually no space nor weight. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Sun Apr 14 22:03:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3F238t09816 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 22:03:08 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 22:03:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200204150203.g3F237k09812@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: D110 For Sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200204141707.g3EH7Gr07487@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > "...the ad said it was 1 of 500...." > > Well, technically each and every one of them is 1 of 500. I doubt it's the > "first" of 500. I think I saw something about LRNA holding on to some of > the early ones.....But Ben would know lots better than I. Of course first there were the 10 preproductions. LRNA/1 to LRNA/9 and one with no plate built after LRNA/9. Then was 1/500. Which was originally owned by by the president of LRNA at the time. Ben From bens Sun Apr 14 22:15:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3F2FqV09967 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 22:15:52 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 22:15:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200204150215.g3F2Fqv09963@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Regent needs a fuel pump Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org That's quite true but does the BP rebuild kit include the little seal for the diaphragm rod? If it goes out, then that is when the oil dumps out that little hole, and most of the series pumps are old enough for the seal to be very brittle. Maybe their stock like pump is new enough for the seal take a few rebuilds. BTW does the rebuild kit fit their stock like pump? Bob B At 06:32 PM 4/14/2002, you wrote: >The stock or stock like pump BP caries can be rebuilt quickly & easily on >the trail, the rebuild kit takes virtually no space nor weight. > >TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please From bens Sun Apr 14 23:44:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3F3ilr10350 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 23:44:47 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 23:44:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200204150344.g3F3il410346@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Regent needs a fuel pump Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >That's quite true but does the BP rebuild kit include the little seal for >the diaphragm rod? No. There is only one company in the world (Located in Turky) making rebuld kits for all the versions of the AC mechanical pump. This means no one makes that oil seal. The rebuild kits BP sell are packaged as genuine LR and is identical to the kit for my TR3 fuel pump. You get a new diaphram, sediment bowl gasket, a new pair of one way valves & I think that was about it. If memory serves Ben used a dust cover from a brake wheel cylinder kit and it is still in Dora after all these years. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Mon Apr 15 00:02:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3F42iZ10603 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 00:02:44 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 00:02:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200204150402.g3F42hY10599@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: LR canoe trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm so in! Joe, I have two seats, two paddles and 2 life jackets and your more than welcome! Let me know where and when and I'm there. My friend at work and I usually grab our fishing poles and head to Stevens Creek Reservoir for lunch. We work at Apple and with an hour and a half lunch we can spend an hour on the water. Keith 17' Grumman Al-U-Mini-Um (That would be proper spoken british) Canoe > Subject: re. LR canoe trip > > Since I don't have one, I have first dibs on Keith > Shukait's canoe - unless he goes! > > Joe Mulqueen > '67 SIIA 109 SW From bens Mon Apr 15 02:39:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3F6dAe12162 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 02:39:10 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 02:39:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200204150639.g3F6dAH12158@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Regent needs a fuel pump Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rob, On myne I have an electric for the second tank and the mechanical for the first, albiet I haven't hooked up the electric pump or the "Y" switch.. but the plan is to have reduncy with two different possible failure modes :) TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 3:21 PM Subject: Regent needs a fuel pump > > Well I went to pick up a new lemon tree, and Regent decided to stumble a > lot. I switched tanks thinkging I got some bad gas. No fix. Limped home. > > He barely starts and then dies. I adjusted points since this was the last > thing I did. Nothing. I checked carb and float. Both were fine. > > I disconnected fuel line and hand pumped. Nothing came out. I disconnected > the input pipe into the fuel pump, and gase poured out from gravity, so its > the pump. > > I pulled the pump, and the diaphram is ok, but the arm that activates it is > really sloppy, and has to go way up to get the diaphram to pump. > > SOOO. buy a new mechanical pump, or blank off the engine hole, and put on a > new fangled solid state electric? > > -Rob > From bens Mon Apr 15 05:30:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3F9Uws12877 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 05:30:58 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 05:30:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200204150930.g3F9Uwa12873@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Young To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Electric Drills Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Around the virtual campfire Bruce mentioned: > Ever use a Milwaukee "Hole Hawg"? They should come with a warning and require a > license to operate. Hole Hawgs are definitely the business. We used those when I worked for an electrician during high school... would bite 3/4" holes through floor joists in about a second. I was just thinking that the close cousin of the Hole Hawg, the Sawzall, might be a nice addition to the truck for outings given a sufficient power inverter. Keep a supply of both wood and steel cutting blades, and then just strap a big holster to your fender like a rifle holster on a horse. Downed trees, wheel wells that need enlarging - no problem. BTW, Milwaukee makes a whole slew of cordless goodies for those of you with tool fetishes: http://www.milwaukeeconnect.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/CategoryDisplay?cgmenbr=27&cgrfnbr=363&nosubcat=1&catnum=362 -JY From bens Mon Apr 15 10:49:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3FEniE14140 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:49:44 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:49:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200204151449.g3FEnh314136@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Matt Wilson To: "Mendo_Recce (E-mail)" Subject: Brake warning light? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello all, Picked up the RR on Friday, I have only been able to drive it home on Friday and to work today, our family is in the middle of a move, so lots to do at home. The truck came with a file an inch thick, all service receipts since new, and even the original window sticker. I can't wait to start reading it. On the way to work, the parking brake light came on and off, I would jiggle the parking brake, but the light didn't seem to be responding to the parking brake, is this the ghost of Joe Lucas? Where should I start looking? I plan on getting the service manual this week. Matt W From bens Mon Apr 15 11:49:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3FFnCh14472 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:49:12 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:49:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200204151549.g3FFnCG14468@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Re: 110/Airstream Siting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It was me.... ...Just kidding, Chris! Hillary's mind is on restoring a '51 Rancher now. Chris D wrote: Wow. It was not me. That combo will be at Mendo, however. C After Eric Wilcox wrote: >Sunday, at 2:45pm as I was heading East on Sir Francis Drake Blvd. in San Geronimo, a 110 pulling an Airstream blew past me going West. > From bens Mon Apr 15 11:54:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3FFs5h14514 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:54:05 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:54:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200204151554.g3FFs4j14510@minbar.fourfold.org> From: FHY To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 110/Airstream Siting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Blair Peterson wrote: >It was me.... > >...Just kidding, Chris! Hillary's mind is on restoring a '51 Rancher now. > What''s that? Frank From bens Mon Apr 15 11:56:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3FFuTE14554 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:56:29 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:56:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200204151556.g3FFuTM14550@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Regent needs a fuel pump Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200204150344.g3F3il410346@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > If memory serves Ben used a dust cover from a brake wheel cylinder kit > and it is still in Dora after all these years. I used a piston seal from the wheel cylinder. Basically I cut off the lip from the seal to make a flat rubber disk. From there I trimmed it down to size and poked a hole in the middle for the shaft. When the rubber seal goes it sucks out all of your oil very quickly. I was loosing something like 1/2 quart per mile. That field fix lasted for many years. The pump was replaced when the main diaphram was failing on the trail. I still need to rebuild that pump. Ben From bens Mon Apr 15 11:58:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3FFwE714576 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:58:14 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:58:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200204151558.g3FFwDV14572@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Brake warning light? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Not certain, but I think that light might also be hooked to the brake pad wear sensors, indicating a pad getting low, or more likely, a wire in the system shorting out somewhere. Find those fine wires going to the brake pads. If you unplug them and the light goes out, it's a low pad. -Dave G. From bens Mon Apr 15 12:10:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3FGAkE14788 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 12:10:46 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 12:10:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200204151610.g3FGAkx14784@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Matt Wilson To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Brake warning light? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org THANKS Dave, I'll lay under the truck tonight. Going to get it smoged this afternoon, Wish me luck, nothing strikes fear in the heart of a Californian than the dreaded Smog-check.... Matt W -----Original Message----- From: Gomes, David [mailto:david.gomes@gambrobct.com] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 8:58 AM To: 'mendo_recce@fourfold.org' Subject: RE: Brake warning light? Not certain, but I think that light might also be hooked to the brake pad wear sensors, indicating a pad getting low, or more likely, a wire in the system shorting out somewhere. Find those fine wires going to the brake pads. If you unplug them and the light goes out, it's a low pad. -Dave G. From bens Mon Apr 15 12:20:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3FGKUY14842 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 12:20:30 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 12:20:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200204151620.g3FGKUR14838@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Regent needs a fuel pump Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ben, Are you going to rebuild it with the home made seal? Or did you find a new seal? Bob B At 08:56 AM 4/15/2002, you wrote: >In message <200204150344.g3F3il410346@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > > > If memory serves Ben used a dust cover from a brake wheel cylinder kit > > and it is still in Dora after all these years. > > I used a piston seal from the wheel cylinder. Basically I cut off >the lip from the seal to make a flat rubber disk. From there I trimmed it >down to size and poked a hole in the middle for the shaft. > [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Apr 15 12:44:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3FGirC14943 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 12:44:53 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 12:44:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200204151644.g3FGirm14939@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #713 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It is a Sankey trailer, for the British military. They seem to cost near $1000 here. The US military equivalent is, I think, the M416, which I am told, you can sometimes find for as little as $300. I bet in Britain the M416 costs closer to $1000 and the Sankey is $300. Stenwick wrote: > > In Tom Sheppard's books "Off-Roader Driving" and "Vehicle Dependant > Expedition Guide" there are some photos of a rather high trailer for use off > road. It looks to be about 4' wide and 4'-6' long and very sturdy. Anybody > have any idea where one might be able to procure a similar one? > > Bill Stenwick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mendo_Recce digest:" [ 564 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- James Howard Naval Research Lab Code 7215, NPOI Project RR14, Box 447 Lake Mary Road Flagstaff, AZ 86001 +1-928-773-4868 (voice) +1-928-779-9568 (fax) jhoward@sextans.lowell.edu From bens Mon Apr 15 13:04:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3FH4E915069 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 13:04:14 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 13:04:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200204151704.g3FH4DB15065@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Regent needs a fuel pump Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200204151620.g3FGKUR14838@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > Are you going to rebuild it with the home made seal? Or did you find a new > seal? I don't know. Dora hasn't run since 1998 so it hasn't been an issue. Hopefully I'll be able do the frame swap and engine rebuild this summer. But first I need to move this weekend. But then I'll have a garage bay dedicated to Dora and no more neighbors to complain about LRs. Ben From bens Mon Apr 15 13:12:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3FHCv815157 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 13:12:57 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 13:12:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200204151712.g3FHCvn15153@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Regent needs a fuel pump Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Ben, Speaking of this neighbor thing, Are you still in Texas or do I remember you moving to NY or up there somewhere? Bob B At 10:04 AM 4/15/2002, you wrote: > I don't know. Dora hasn't run since 1998 so it hasn't been an issue. >Hopefully I'll be able do the frame swap and engine rebuild this summer. But >first I need to move this weekend. But then I'll have a garage bay dedicated >to Dora and no more neighbors to complain about LRs. > >Ben From bens Mon Apr 15 14:20:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3FIKlo15517 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 14:20:47 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 14:20:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200204151820.g3FIKkx15513@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Regent needs a fuel pump Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200204151712.g3FHCvn15153@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > Speaking of this neighbor thing, Are you still in Texas or do I remember > you moving to NY or up there somewhere? I was layed off from my job in Texas last May. After a 2 month nation- wide search I ended up taking a job in NYC starting in August. Just in time to be in the the city for the 9/11 incident (I'm in midtown, not downtown so all was ok). So I've been living with my parents in NJ since then until I could find more permanent/independant accomodation. I'm closing on a house in west/central NJ on Wednesday. My late uncle's house. A horrible commute, though by train, but nice and quiet. Herds of deer and turkey. http://www.fourfold.org/bens/readington/ Ben From bens Mon Apr 15 14:25:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3FIPxJ15610 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 14:25:59 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 14:25:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200204151825.g3FIPxV15606@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Mendo Trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have a Webelos Scout outing on Saturday the 27th. If I drove up Saturday night what's the plan for Sunday? Would it be worth coming up, or would I arrive just in time to leave for home? ;^) Cheers, Keith From bens Mon Apr 15 16:08:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3FK8QX16410 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:08:26 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:08:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200204152008.g3FK8QR16406@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Freelander woes.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "I also took a close look at a Freelander and was surprised that they all had rear drum brakes." - Kevin Kelly I am becoming increasingly shocked at some of the decisions made on this vehicle. I was not aware of the rear-drum brakes but it doesn't surprise me at this point. I couldn't wait to buy the Freelander when it was announced and when I finally got to sit in one for the first time, I found myself at a loss for words and totally under-whelmed. I am aware that most people who buy new Rovers do not take them off-road, I wasn't under some illusion that the Freelander would come standard with rock-sliders and a winch kit but give me a break. If it weren't for the little green oval on the steering wheel and the downhill decent control button, I would have never known I was in a Land Rover vehicle. Just for kicks, I went to go look at the Jeep Liberty, since it is one of the Freelanders closest competitors in the United States. From a non-Rover fanatic point of view - purchasing the Liberty over the Freelander is a no-brainer. It comes with a 7 year or 100,000 mile warranty as compared to the seriously outdated 4 year 50 mile warranty Rover offers. You could fit a large dog in the back of the Liberty and 3 passengers comfortably in the back seats unlike the Freelander that shows a small beagle type dog barley fitting into the back and lots less rear seat space. The Freelander also lost in price, available accessories, fuel economy and engine size. Now I can hear some of you yelling "Off-road worthiness!!!" - let's be honest - neither of these vehicles are worthy off much more than a fire-roads and light off-road use and with its rear drum brakes standard and no low gearing - the Freelander is no prize. Did I run out and buy a Liberty - heck no, but this isn't about me - it is a simple explanation, in my opinion, to why there are so few Freelanders on the road. Am I missing something? What is the general concensus about this? Did anyone buy one? Are you happy with it? I want to love this car but I have a hard time getting over some of the details I outlined above. Brian ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.roverme.org Land Rover Community, Links and Email Services From bens Mon Apr 15 16:38:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3FKcfc16586 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:38:41 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:38:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200204152038.g3FKcfA16582@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander woes.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The Liberty also has low range. Brian Horner wrote: > > "I also took a close look at a Freelander and was surprised > that they all had rear drum brakes." - Kevin Kelly > > I am becoming increasingly shocked at some of the decisions made on this > vehicle. I was not aware of the rear-drum brakes but it doesn't > surprise me at this point. I couldn't wait to buy the Freelander when > it was announced and when I finally got to sit in one for the first > time, I found myself at a loss for words and totally under-whelmed. I [ 33 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- James Howard Naval Research Lab Code 7215, NPOI Project RR14, Box 447 Lake Mary Road Flagstaff, AZ 86001 +1-928-773-4868 (voice) +1-928-779-9568 (fax) jhoward@sextans.lowell.edu From bens Mon Apr 15 16:44:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3FKirX16619 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:44:53 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:44:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200204152044.g3FKiqw16615@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Matt Wilson To: "Mendo_Recce (E-mail)" Subject: more tire dilema? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org First, My apology's for burning up band width, I am sure that when I get this RR sorted I will silently fade away, until another newbie shows up and I can help in some small way. Smog; the truck passed no problems, Registration; long line, write big check. Glad that's over. Tires; stop in at Costco, ask for a price on BFG LT245/75 R16 mud terrains, manager asks what I'm putting them on, when I tell him it's a RR he say's I can only sell you the Michelins! end of story, no explanation, no answer for how come I have seen other RR's with different tires. So what do I say when I go to my local tires store? Matt W PS neighbors and Land Rovers. Friday morning 7:45. I moved the last of our things into new house. Picture a quite tree lined suburban street. Birds are chirping, my new neighbor is standing in his driveway, picking up the paper and holding a cup of coffee.... I drive up in Rusty, three mattresses strapped to the sun-sheet, all the crap that's left over and didn't make it in boxes is stuffed in side. Mocha my chocolate lab is riding in the passenger seat barking her head off. As we stop in the driveway the brakes let out a mighty squeal. I wave, stack the mattresses on the front porch tie the dog to the tree and leave for work. We are home!!! PPS Laura rescued the dog before 8:30 and she now has her own run in the back yard. Mocha that is! From bens Mon Apr 15 17:11:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3FLBHm16808 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:11:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:11:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200204152111.g3FLBGl16804@minbar.fourfold.org> From: ray harder To: Subject: Re: Freelander woes.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, James Howard wrote: > Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:38:41 -0500 > From: James Howard > Subject: Re: Freelander woes.... > > Brian Horner wrote: > > > yeah, but the liberty is ugly... ray -- Sincerely, Ray Harder From bens Mon Apr 15 17:24:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3FLOU716872 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:24:30 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:24:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200204152124.g3FLOUa16868@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander woes.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yeah, I agree . Brian On Monday, April 15, 2002, at 02:11 PM, ray harder wrote: > > > > On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, James Howard wrote: > >> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:38:41 -0500 >> From: James Howard >> Subject: Re: Freelander woes.... >> [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.roverme.org Land Rover Community, Links and Email Services From bens Mon Apr 15 18:05:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3FM5CD17184 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:05:12 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:05:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200204152205.g3FM5CY17180@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Regent needs a fuel pump Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org For those of you that have replaced your fuel pump with electric. What have you done with the hole. Have you left the old fuel pump in? That doesn't seem right since the possibility for oil seal failure then still exists. I called BP, and they don't have any blanking plate? I'll try some other parts places tomorrow. -Rob From bens Mon Apr 15 18:07:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3FM7Kw17205 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:07:20 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:07:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200204152207.g3FM7Jl17201@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shane Ballensky To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Brake warning light? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I would start by checking the fluid level:) At 10:49 AM 4/15/02 -0400, you wrote: >it. > >On the way to work, the parking brake light came on and off, I would jiggle >the parking brake, but the light didn't seem to be responding to the parking >brake, is this the ghost of Joe Lucas? Where should I start looking? > I plan on getting the service manual this week. From bens Mon Apr 15 18:12:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3FMCv417243 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:12:57 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:12:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200204152212.g3FMCuI17239@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Regent needs a fuel pump Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I made a blanking plate for mine for awhile. Any old flat plate that's big enough to cover the hole will do. I think the one I used was 1/8" thick. Measure the distance between the bolt holes in the block and reproduce them at that distance apart on the plate. I think you need clearance for a 5/15 bolt which would be 11/32 diameter holes, but if all you had was a 3/8 drill bit, that would be fine. Use a regular FP gasket under the plate, slathered with Hylomar and tighten it up. Should be okay. -Dave G. From bens Mon Apr 15 18:14:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3FMEZh17258 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:14:35 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:14:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200204152214.g3FMEZg17254@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Brake warning light? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...I would start by checking the fluid level:)..." Ooh that's right. I KNOW that sensor is hooked to that light. My d-90 used to flicker all the time in steep off-road situations, even when it was full. -Dave G. From bens Mon Apr 15 18:24:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3FMOec17320 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:24:40 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:24:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200204152224.g3FMOdi17316@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Regent needs a fuel pump Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I made my own plate. I have a commercially made one for a chevy, but it doesn't quite cover the hole. Maybe a trip to the auto parts store with a fuel pump gasket for measurements? Bob B At 03:05 PM 4/15/2002, you wrote: >For those of you that have replaced your fuel pump with electric. What have >you done with the hole. Have you left the old fuel pump in? That doesn't >seem right since the possibility for oil seal failure then still exists. I >called BP, and they don't have any blanking plate? I'll try some other >parts places tomorrow. > >-Rob From bens Mon Apr 15 19:15:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3FNFJl17598 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 19:15:19 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 19:15:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200204152315.g3FNFJX17594@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander woes.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So is my Series III. - James ray harder wrote: From bens Mon Apr 15 20:41:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3G0fL117956 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 20:41:21 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 20:41:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200204160041.g3G0fLO17952@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Modified DII Sighting in Marin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I know the field guys sure consume them. I suspect after garages the next best place to find them is the San Jose flea market. Our monthly tool bill is unbelievabe. The Plumbers and Pipefitters are about the only trade left that doesn't need to supply any of their tools. The employer supplies everything. Bruce FHY wrote: > Bruce R. Bonar wrote: > > >... > >We go through Makita's like there's no tomorrow. > > > > But isn't that because they are booked as consumables. How many are in > garages? > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Apr 15 23:19:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3G3Jil18610 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:19:44 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:19:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200204160319.g3G3Jih18606@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher H. Dow" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander woes.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org James Howard wrote: >So is my Series III. - James > >ray harder wrote: > Yeah, my 110 is no DB7, either. C From bens Tue Apr 16 00:29:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3G4Tii19885 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 00:29:44 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 00:29:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200204160429.g3G4Tik19881@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: Freelander woes.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Brian Horner wrote: > yelling "Off-road worthiness!!!" - let's be honest - neither of these > vehicles are worthy off much more than a fire-roads and light off-road > use and with its rear drum brakes standard and no low gearing - the > Freelander is no prize. I agree with others that the Liberty is ugly (no, I don't think the SIII is ugly). It's disappointing because I think the old Cherokee it replaces it quite good looking. The Cherokee's suspension is lousy (I've driven several County-owned ones quite a bit). Perhaps the Liberty's is better in some ways. But I feel that SUVs with independent front suspension should also have independent rear or stick with live axles at both ends. I was really looking forward to the Cherokee replacement and very disappointed in how it turned out. I was hoping that it would look a lot more like the Dakkar show vehicle and have the Grand Cherokee's axles and suspension. Bummer. On the other hand, I think I'd take one over the Freelander. Calling that it a Land-Rover was BMW's doing. Rover had that idea on the drawing boards long before BMW took over but planned to badge it as a Rover (car). That's why I call it the Freeloader. Yes, it's quite a bit better looking than the Liberty but looks aren't everything. It's all academic anyway, as both have much too little room inside for my taste. I'd much rather have the new Range Rover. That, however, I am about as likely to afford as an Aston Martin (which I also want!). Cheers, Granny From bens Tue Apr 16 00:44:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3G4ipt20084 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 00:44:51 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 00:44:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200204160444.g3G4io820080@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: more tire dilema? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Matt, > Tires; stop in at Costco, ask for a price on BFG LT245/75 R16 mud terrains, > manager asks what I'm putting them on, when I tell him it's a RR he say's I > can only sell you the Michelins! end of story, no explanation, no answer for > how come I have seen other RR's with different tires. I'll bet he would only sell you the OEM size, too. You should have seen the scene I had at Costco in Santa Rosa when I went there to buy tires for my wife's Mercury Mystique. It had its original tires which were summer tread Firestones in size 205/60R15. I felt that this was a ridiculous tire for that car. It's the same size that was on our Peugeot 505 Turbo Station wagon, a much bigger, heavier, more powerful, and sportier car. The Mystique, despite its Mondeo lineage, corners like a kneeling camel anyway so the dry pavement grip of those tires was way beyond the suspension's limits. So I wanted an all-season, well-siped, anti-hydroplaning grooved, tire in size 195/65R15 (same overall diameter as 205/60), for better wet road performance. Not only would the bumptious twit at Costco not sell that size to me but said it would make the car dangerous. I pointed out that the wider tires were what was dangerous as they were more likely to hydroplane (especially on such a light car). He got rather nasty, essentially saying that I didn't know what I was talking about, that he was the expert, etc. I guess the 400 or 500 issues of Road & Track that I've read from cover to cover were a complete waste of my time! All I had to do was go to Costco to learn all about tires! I went to Les Scwab and got a great deal on what I wanted, with no grief over wanting to change sizes. > So what do I say when I go to my local tires store? Go to Les Scwab and just say what you want! Granny From bens Tue Apr 16 01:31:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3G5VJG20283 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 01:31:19 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 01:31:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200204160531.g3G5VI020279@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: keith's dilema Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Keith! Forget about the original outing. Simply order 'em to the back of your 109 Regular for the trip up early Sat. Arrive late morning, for great offroading while performing your scouting drills. Later, give them some food, a big tent and by 11:00pm tell 'em to shut up and go to sleep. Joe Mulqueen (not yet married) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 14:25:59 -0400 From: Keith Shukait Subject: Mendo Trip I have a Webelos Scout outing on Saturday the 27th. If I drove up Saturday night what's the plan for Sunday? Would it be worth coming up, or would I arrive just in time to leave for home? ;^) Cheers, Keith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From bens Tue Apr 16 01:36:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3G5aGT20312 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 01:36:16 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 01:36:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200204160536.g3G5aGj20308@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Rob Modica To: Mendo_Recce Subject: Heresy!! Heresy!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org James, Heresy!!, heresy!! "in the eye of the beholder", etc. etc. Rob James Howard wrote: < From: LRDino@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #717 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Brian, I'd rather buy a used Disco 1 or 2 for the price of the Freelander. Dino 95 5 Speed Disco From bens Tue Apr 16 10:03:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GE3vD22604 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:03:57 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:03:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200204161403.g3GE3vc22600@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Matt Wilson To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Brake warning light? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Winner!!! Thanks Shane Dave I will check the pads this weekend, anyway the fluid must have gone somewhere, and I figure it must be worn pads. -----Original Message----- From: Shane Ballensky [mailto:roverhybrids@neteze.com] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 3:07 PM To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Brake warning light? I would start by checking the fluid level:) At 10:49 AM 4/15/02 -0400, you wrote: >it. > >On the way to work, the parking brake light came on and off, I would jiggle >the parking brake, but the light didn't seem to be responding to the parking From bens Tue Apr 16 10:07:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GE73P22645 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:07:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:07:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200204161407.g3GE72O22641@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Freelander woes.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Blame the off road ability on the marketing geeks who are trying to sell product to the greatest group of potential customers and the bean counters who keep saying the more different vehicle models one assembly can be used on the better the profit. Blame the looks on average folks who sit down in focus groups to tell the marketing geeks what they like and dislike about various proposed designs. Rover is building Defenders for the average person on this mail list. It is just unfortunate we can not buy one. Jeep is building the Wrangler line to attract people on this list. From what I saw, the '03 Rubicon will be quite capable out of the box. The other models of both companies are aimed for people who not only do not do technical off road work but will probably never drive a vehicle off a well maintained unpaved road. SUVs are THE hottest selling market. Whatever the reason it is not because technical off roading is the #1 American pastime. Manufacturers are designing cars to meet the perceived needs of this huge lucrative market. I personally think that those of you interested in purchasing new vehicles should be happy that both Jeep and Rover are keeping a technical off road vehicle in the product mix. That vehicle is not there because they expect to make a real profit off the product line. It is there to give the rest of the product line a "rub off" charisma. People who buy new Freelanders will never take it farther afield than a maintained dirt road, most not even that. But since the badge is like the one on the Defender they fell good about their car surviving the maintained unpaved road experience. The lines have already been drawn. The official schedule for the Moab Jeep Week states that the event is not for just jeeps but that any high clearance 4WD vehicle with a 2 gear transfer case is welcome. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Tue Apr 16 10:20:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GEKXd22745 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:20:33 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:20:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200204161420.g3GEKX722741@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: more tire dilemma? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm trying out a new tire store one of these days. A chain outfit here in Denver called Swis Tire. Not sure how big they are. But when I sent an e-mail request for a price quote on Cooper Discoverer S/T in 255/85 I got a very courteous reply from their "president", quoting a competitive price ($145 ea, mounted and balanced), and stating that he only had 4 in stock but would order the fifth and have them for me whenever I wanted to come in. We'll see how it goes. I still need to get a 5th 16x6 steel wheel for the G. The truck was upgraded at one time from the standard 5-1/2s to 6s, but the spare was neglected. I still have the like-new stock spare tire behind the garage. I can't wait to stand it up next to the new ones when I get them. :^) So I guess I'm really tempting the fates, putting an out-sized tire on, and using a rim that's narrower than recommended too (I think Cooper asks for 7"! Heaven forbid! -Dave G. From bens Tue Apr 16 10:22:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GEMKt22761 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:22:20 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:22:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200204161422.g3GEMKt22757@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #717 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I'd rather buy a used Disco 1 or 2 for the price of the Freelander. I have heard (not verified) that when the Freelander intro'ed there was a Disco II factory sale going on that priced the Disco II lower than the high end Freelander version. Then there are all the end lease returned Disco IIs out there that have never been off road. All is not lost if a Disco is what you wish. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Tue Apr 16 10:30:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GEUwa22810 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:30:58 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:30:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200204161430.g3GEUw722806@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Freelander woes.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ".....Jeep Week states that the event is not for just jeeps but that any high clearance 4WD vehicle with a 2 gear transfer case is welcome...." Likewise Bill and Rachel Burke's "On the Road" event in Moab this fall, which began life as "camp Rover" is also open to all makes and models. Personally, I like it that way. I've never had a problem with any VEHICLE I've met, on or off the road. And it's true, making cars IS only about making money. No matter how you slice it. LR made Series I's to fill an, at that time growing, market demand and to turn a decent profit. I learned a long time ago that I was an outlier in the marketing surveys and would have to fend for myself in finding what I liked to drive, eat, live in, etc. It sure is cheaper than feeling compelled to zoom to work in the latest sporty cute-ute every new model year. -Dave G. From bens Tue Apr 16 11:38:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GFcLd23142 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:38:21 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:38:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200204161538.g3GFcKL23138@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Heresy!! Heresy!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org When I lived back east, I never even considered a 4x4. Then, when I moved here and saw dirt roads with their own exits off the interstates, I decided I needed one. Me and a buddy at work started a competition to find the ugliest 4x4. The general consesus is that I won. Rob Modica wrote: James, Heresy!!, heresy!! "in the eye of the beholder", etc. etc. Rob James Howard wrote: So is my Series III. (ugly that is) From bens Tue Apr 16 11:39:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GFdCg23163 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:39:12 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:39:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200204161539.g3GFdCf23159@minbar.fourfold.org> From: StevHutch@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: 2 BBl Weber Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 17 lines filtered. ] In a message dated 4/14/02 7:19:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-mendo_recce-digest@fourfold.org writes: Yep, mine does this too..I thought it was just loose rings, but yep it's a gas thing for sure...but it also takes a while to catch with the electric fuel pump I use...Mine is a Facet brand I think (from an old Baja Bug). I think it may be the length of fuel line ..not sure - S H > On my Weber 32/36 equipped truck, the gas seems to evaporate out of the > float bowl if left for a week or so without being run. Takes a lot of > cranking to get the float bowl filled again. Since I don't want to > needlessly put wear on the starter, will be switching over to an electric > fuel pump. Having fuel nearly as soon as the ignition is switched on will > From bens Tue Apr 16 11:39:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GFdEM23177 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:39:14 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:39:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200204161539.g3GFdEg23173@minbar.fourfold.org> From: StevHutch@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Kayaking / boating on Tomales Bay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 13 lines filtered. ] Yes, this is a good and well known local spot , except when the winds kick up ..and get rather high as they can this time of year there. The mid and south ends are best for kayaking, and there is even a place in Marshall that rents them I recall. As for sharks, yep spring is supposed to be mating/birthing season and a haven for shark activity there...no attacks that I know of but Bodega has had one or two in past years. Also, someone from my dive school had a nasty pic of a very dead , chomped seal in Tomales due to shark attack. Dillon Beach is a nice spot, if you don't mind paying the private land owners. But stay away from the mouth of the bay as it has very tricky breaker waves and sand bars that make open ocean access via small fishing booats only for the very experienced. Many novice have capsized there, and had fatal drownings. - S H From bens Tue Apr 16 12:04:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GG46V23389 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:04:06 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:04:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200204161604.g3GG46R23385@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Tire woes/new house Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Matt, Go for Cooper STT in the 245 size http://www.coopertire.com/tire_cooper/ltsuv.asp?id=28. They are similar to BFG MTs but less expensive (I put 7.50R16 on the 109 for about $95 each). Independent dealers usually can get Coopers. My tire guy in San Rafael can get 'em and install 'em on your way to Mendo... Congrats on the new house, new truck. We have a new house too (a '51 Rancher) but won't be moving until we get some work done. Cheers. From bens Tue Apr 16 12:04:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GG4BD23404 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:04:11 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:04:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200204161604.g3GG4Bp23400@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Heresy!! Heresy!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I agree! Its funny, I always get woman looking at my Series III telling me how cute it is. Guys always tell me how they miss the boxy look and think my Series is "bad ass" looking. If your Series is ugly, maybe you need to clean it up a little. ;o) Brian On Monday, April 15, 2002, at 10:36 PM, Rob Modica wrote: > > James, > > Heresy!!, heresy!! > > "in the eye of the beholder", etc. etc. > > Rob > [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.roverme.org Land Rover Community, Links and Email Services From bens Tue Apr 16 12:05:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GG5En23433 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:05:14 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:05:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200204161605.g3GG5EO23429@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander woes.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200204161407.g3GE72O22641@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > Jeep is building the Wrangler line to attract people on this list. From > what I saw, the '03 Rubicon will be quite capable out of the box. BTW, the Jeep "popping flares" tv add is pretty good. Except that it should have been a Defender add instead. Ben From bens Tue Apr 16 12:06:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GG6e023500 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:06:40 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:06:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200204161606.g3GG6ec23496@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Knoxville Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Last fall I was thinking about organizing another run up to Knox for Feb or March. Oh well. With Mendo on the horizon(!), my Rover Trip Credit Balance is spoken for. If someone wants to put something together, I can give you the details. Cheers. From bens Tue Apr 16 12:14:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GGE2F23629 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:14:02 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:14:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200204161614.g3GGE1i23625@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander woes.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Blame the looks on average folks who sit down in focus groups to tell the >marketing geeks what they like and dislike about various proposed designs. Just a thought, don't the average folks in the focus groups have a limited degree of choices from which to comment upon when the marketing folks put them to the test? I don't imagine they just sit down with people and show and ask them everything. They've already come up with the jist of what they want to pump and are relying on the average folks to refine and smooth out the edges. Or is this not correct? The wild popularity of the rereleased Gwagon is a good example showing smooth straigh lines are not "out of style" at all. I find it hard to believe that the majority of people would find the stylings of the future Defender or current Freelander more appealing than the current Defender. If that is so, why do so Defenders cause so many heads to turn and mouths to drop almost everywhere they go? Anyway, I'm totally running on here... >Rover is building Defenders for the average person on this mail list. It >is just unfortunate we can not buy one. If by "this list" you mean the Mendo list, I think you are not entirely correct. Defenders aren't really made so much for the end user who understands and appreciates offroad capability as much as they are made for the military and commerical industries of the world. The fact that offroad capable vehicles like the Defender also inspire a small sector of the civilian market enought that they also buy and use them is likely a postive side effect and not their main goal. If so, they wouldn't be moving away from creating such great vehicles. As mentioned above though, I think if marketed to the larger market, they too would take off as I think deep down they appeal to a great deal of people. >Jeep is building the Wrangler line to attract people on this list. From >what I saw, the '03 Rubicon will be quite capable out of the box. Interestingly enough LR has a, albeit very limited, run of specially modified available vehicles, the old Disco XD comes to mind, and even more so, the new Discovery Kalahari which will be super modified with larger tires, offroad suspension, rocksliders, ARB style bumbers, and more. I imagine that the 2003 Jeep Rubicon will be available in much large numbers than that Discovery Kalahari, but at least their going to make it at all. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Apr 16 12:29:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GGTN723727 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:29:23 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:29:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200204161629.g3GGTNg23723@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Freelander woes.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...."popping flares" tv add is pretty good....." I dunno. Struck me too far toward the "pompous/elitist" end of the spectrum. So maybe it WOULD be more appropriate with a Land Rover.... :^) KIDDING!!! (about the LR part) -Dave G. From bens Tue Apr 16 12:29:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GGTl423742 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:29:47 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:29:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200204161629.g3GGTle23738@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander woes.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Likewise Bill and Rachel Burke's "On the Road" event in Moab this fall, >which began life as "camp Rover" is also open to all makes and models. >Personally, I like it that way. I've never had a problem with any VEHICLE >I've met, on or off the road. I have to say I enjoy the Land Rover aspect of Land Rover events just as much as the people aspect. Something doesn't seem to fit when other vehicles are involved. Sure it's still fun, sure the people are generally wonderful, but I just enjoy the Land Rover aspect of Land Rover gatherings... And as long as I'm being contrary, I have to also disagree and mention that I think that 110s and SIIIs are *BEAUTIFUL* vehicles, far better looking and timeless than just about any other vehicle/truck that I know of. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Apr 16 12:33:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GGXr823790 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:33:53 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:33:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200204161633.g3GGXrb23786@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Heresy!! Heresy!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org James, you mean to say you think the SIII is the ugliest 4x4 around? Wow. I couldn't disagree with you more! Series vehicles are beautiful in my opinion! Just wondering, what other vehicles were mentioned, and better still, what one was the pick for best looking? >When I lived back east, I never even considered a 4x4. Then, when I >moved here and saw dirt roads with their own exits off the interstates, >I decided I needed one. Me and a buddy at work started a competition to >find the ugliest 4x4. The general consesus is that I won. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Apr 16 12:38:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GGco223820 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:38:50 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:38:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200204161638.g3GGcnR23816@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Heresy!! Heresy!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Brian Horner wrote: If your Series is > ugly, maybe you need > to clean it up a little. ;o) > > Brian > Maybe he did clean it, and that's the problem. Oh, and as for the home ownership gripes... at least you have a garage. And, I couldn't get out the Digital MM last night to figure out my electrical woes because I had to fix the leaky faucet, and I rent!!?? But I digress... anyone know a place around San Jose that restores or will restore the petrol tank in my 88"?? It's real rusty inside and it's leaking on one of the solder seams. Thanks, -- Stirling Anderson 1960 series II 88" "The African" www.theafrican.8k.com "Living well is the best revenge." ----Ignore this: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From bens Tue Apr 16 12:53:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GGror23915 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:53:50 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:53:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200204161653.g3GGroF23911@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Freelander woes.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...The wild popularity of the rereleased Gwagon is a good example showing smooth straigh lines are not "out of style"..." Maybe so, but it wouldn't look like that if MB had a choice. The release of the 463 G in the US is only a "foot in the door" measure to pull people into MB dealerships who would otherwise be visiting Lexus, BMW, LR, and shortly Porsche, dealers. In a couple years MB will bring out the new G class vehicle, it will be built here in the states, and it will be a more direct competitor (in styling, features, and mechanicals) for the likes of the Range Rover. The good old fashioned 460 will still be made in Graz for military markets, but not available for civvy purchase here. Put a G500, X5, and Range Rover in a mall parking lot with all the doors open and ask people coming by to paw them all over and decide which one they'd like to take home for free on the one condition that it had to be their all-around daily vehicle for the next 3 years, and they had to give it back after that time (no prospecting market values). This test would get to what people really want, and my guess is that the G would fall short of both the Rangie and Bimmer in that contest. And if they made me the same offer, I'd happily say, "Thanks but no", and go on my merry way in my 22 year old, 255,000 mile 460. :^) Cheryl would probably give up her '92 Rangie for.... well, I'm not sure which one... -Dave G. From bens Tue Apr 16 12:55:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GGtCr23939 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:55:12 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:55:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200204161655.g3GGtBZ23935@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Heresy!! Heresy!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Other vehicles in the running for ugly were the Jeep Grand Wagoneer, the first generation Bronco, and the International Scout. Ugly in this case is a compliment. The PO of my SIII had all the windows removed from the hardtop. They were replaced with aluminum panels spraypainted to match and attached with self tapping screws. Made it look even more like a brick. As for the best looking 4x4, I think the RR classic comes close. Jason Pipes wrote: > > James, you mean to say you think the SIII is the ugliest 4x4 around? Wow. I > couldn't disagree with you more! Series vehicles are beautiful in my opinion! > > Just wondering, what other vehicles were mentioned, and better still, what > one was the pick for best looking? > > >When I lived back east, I never even considered a 4x4. Then, when I > >moved here and saw dirt roads with their own exits off the interstates, [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- From bens Tue Apr 16 12:59:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GGxjj23961 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:59:45 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:59:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200204161659.g3GGxjb23957@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Freelander woes.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...timeless..." What a great way to describe it. My opinion exactly. And for me, I think the thing that is "timeless" is the "purpose-built" aspect of the vehicle. Everything that is there, is there for a reason and for getting a job done. The Ducati 916 motorcycle has a timeless appeal to me for exactly the same reason. No nonsense. Built to do a specific job as effectively as possible. My friends look at the G and say, "It's too boxy for me".... But to me, it's "Timeless". :^) Thanks! -Dave G. From bens Tue Apr 16 13:19:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GHJFA24062 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:19:15 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:19:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200204161719.g3GHJFk24058@minbar.fourfold.org> From: FHY To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander woes.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Gomes, David wrote: >... Put a G500, X5, and Range Rover in a mall parking lot with all the doors >open and ask people coming by to paw them all over and decide which one >they'd like to take home > I dunno ... the new G-Wagen is already starting the rounds with the local soccer moms. Frank From bens Tue Apr 16 13:20:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GHK2R24084 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:20:02 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:20:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200204161720.g3GHK2O24080@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Spencer Knight" To: Subject: Range Rover 4.0 Injectors Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hmm, so nobody seems to think that it's the injectors that are making it run poorly on start up. Any guesses as to what IS making it run poorly? Also, it occasionally wants to keep going when I'm trying to make it stop, so I have to throw it in to neutral to make stopping a little easier. Is my truck trying to kill me!? Thanks for the feedback. Spencer From bens Tue Apr 16 14:16:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GIGL524371 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:16:21 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:16:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200204161816.g3GIGLG24367@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Heresy!! Heresy!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- James Howard wrote: > > > When I lived back east, I never even considered a 4x4. > Then, when I > moved here and saw dirt roads with their own exits off > the interstates, > I decided I needed one. Me and a buddy at work started a > competition to > find the ugliest 4x4. The general consesus is that I [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] On what grounds is a series rover ugly? I aggree with Rod here! ...so what did your buddy end up with? (besides, a Gaz is indeed uglier...and there are many others out there..yes available in the US ya jut hafta look) ....and remember you married into a range rover which has been proven to be the most estheticly pleasing SUV ever......after all one is still on permanent exhibitiion in the Louve!!! Paul (now I have to admit I hae changed my oppinion about disco's at first I thought they were uglie abominations or a range rover, but have changed my oppinion over the years and actually like them now.....(maybe because I drive one now?) > > Rob Modica wrote: > > James, > > Heresy!!, heresy!! > > "in the eye of the beholder", etc. etc. > [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From bens Tue Apr 16 14:39:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GIdKx24476 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:39:20 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:39:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200204161839.g3GIdKs24472@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: more tire dilema? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have got that answer from some tire shops too --you just have to shop around til you find one that isn't so fussy and will sell you whatever YOU want. I guess nowadays if you take a Classic into the "rigid" tire shops they will only sell you that abomination of a tire called a Michelin Synchrone or something -- looking at it on a website the other day I was appalled at how the original concept of a "dual purpose" tire originally fitted on Range Rovers morphed into a pure racetrack tire. Cheers John Cheers John Matt Wilson wrote: > First, My apology's for burning up band width, I am sure that when I get > this RR sorted I will silently fade away, until another newbie shows up and > I can help in some small way. > > Smog; the truck passed no problems, > > Registration; long line, write big check. Glad that's over. > > Tires; stop in at Costco, ask for a price on BFG LT245/75 R16 mud terrains, [ 20 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Apr 16 14:48:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GIm7K24528 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:48:07 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:48:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200204161848.g3GIm7L24524@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander woes.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Good insights as always Granny -- I too would rather have a Jeep of any sort than a Freelander, but I am sure Land Rover will sell a fair number by leaning on the "heritage" and "image". That works for a while anyway. Also a few sales videos of people treating Freelanders like rental cars in mild off road conditions might convince buyers they can go anywhere. Re the Liberty, I read they originally intended to have an "up country" package for it but had to cancel it because the wheels rubbed or something. It is fairly low in off road ability but certainly better than the Freelander, which came last in that category in a recent comparison test in Car & Driver or Four Wheeler (sorry can't remember which one!!). Cheers John Granville Pool wrote: > Brian Horner wrote: > > > yelling "Off-road worthiness!!!" - let's be honest - neither of these > > vehicles are worthy off much more than a fire-roads and light off-road > > use and with its rear drum brakes standard and no low gearing - the > > Freelander is no prize. > > I agree with others that the Liberty is ugly (no, I don't think the SIII is > ugly). It's disappointing because I think the old Cherokee it replaces it [ 21 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Apr 16 14:50:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GIoUG24564 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:50:30 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:50:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200204161850.g3GIoU324560@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander woes.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Excellent summary TeriAnn!! Cheers John TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > Blame the off road ability on the marketing geeks who are trying to sell > product to the greatest group of potential customers and the bean > counters who keep saying the more different vehicle models one assembly > can be used on the better the profit. > > Blame the looks on average folks who sit down in focus groups to tell the > marketing geeks what they like and dislike about various proposed designs. > > Rover is building Defenders for the average person on this mail list. It [ 36 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Apr 16 14:51:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GIpQo24580 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:51:26 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:51:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200204161851.g3GIpQc24576@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Freelander woes.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...starting the rounds with the local soccer moms...." No doubt. One was parked next to me at the local strip mall last weekend. I left him a note to check out clubgwagen.com and got an e-mail from him later. Turns out I drive by his place every day, and he's also recently owned two defenders and a 'cruiser. Seems like a nice enough guy. We'll see if he comes out wheeling next time I ask. At least it's a soccer mom car that can do Moab Rim off the showroom floor, without bypasses or cosmetic damage. But it's a bit sad, kind of like the 427 vette that is used by a little old lady twice a week to get her hair done and go to bridge club. :^) I looked in the window at that one parked next to me last weekend. Way too much cushy plushy stuff for me. One of the things I like best about the 460s is the cavernous space inside, undiminished by La-Z-boy seating and padded leather door trim. -Dave G. From bens Tue Apr 16 14:53:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GIrlD24599 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:53:47 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:53:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200204161853.g3GIrle24595@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Ogilvie" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander woes.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If you call the typical farmer or person who needs a rugged no nonsense utility vehicle, a commercial user, you're right. They were not designed for the military or military use. That was an afterthought as in the case of the Wolf. Rover has equipped the militaries of many nations around the world but that's because the trucks were rugged modular vehicles that could be used out of the box or modified easily to meet specific needs. The bulk of Series/Defender sales have been to people who appreciate the fact that the truck will do what they intend to use it for without great modification. Also that they didn't rust away, break down, become unfixable if you looked cross eyed at them. Some people appreciate the awesome out of the box off road capability of the trucks. In most places, where Series/Defender predominate, however, that's only one of the reasons that they are so popular. They are a true Utility Vehicle. Aloha Peter O. >From: Jason Pipes Defenders aren't really made so much for the end user who >understands and appreciates offroad capability as much as they are made for >the military and commerical industries of the world. The fact that offroad >capable vehicles like the Defender also inspire a small sector of the >civilian market enought that they also buy and use them is likely a postive >side effect and not their main goal. If so, they wouldn't be moving away >from creating such great vehicles. As mentioned above though, I think if >marketed to the larger market, they too would take off as I think deep down >they appeal to a great deal of people. Jason Pipes >jpipes@feldgrau.com >www.feldgrau.com > >1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Tue Apr 16 15:07:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GJ7k324684 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 15:07:46 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 15:07:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200204161907.g3GJ7kC24680@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander woes.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, in a way, yes, farmers are self-employeed businesses, are they not? Essentially they're commerical. Maybe a better way to have said it would have been agri-commerical or something like that. >If you call the typical farmer or person who needs a rugged no nonsense >utility vehicle, a commercial user, you're right. They were not designed >for the military or military use. That was an afterthought as in the case >of the Wolf. Rover has equipped the militaries of many nations around the >world but that's because the trucks were rugged modular vehicles that could >be used out of the box or modified easily to meet specific needs. The bulk >of Series/Defender sales have been to people who appreciate the fact that >the truck will do what they intend to use it for without great modification. > Also that they didn't rust away, break down, become unfixable if you [ 32 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Apr 16 15:08:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GJ8nZ24703 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 15:08:49 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 15:08:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200204161908.g3GJ8nl24699@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Freelander woes.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, Not a freelander story, but ... On TV last night, we saw a commercial where 3 jeep vehicles are racing up a trail apparently racing a helicopter. At the top there is a view that looks like it's at Moab and the Colorado river below. Funny, when we were there with Sherman in 1990, We saw a commercial being filmed then. but I don't remember the circumstance now. Bob B From bens Tue Apr 16 15:46:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GJkWS24901 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 15:46:32 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 15:46:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200204161946.g3GJkWD24897@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Kalahari Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason mentioned a "Kalahari" version of the D2. Any source for more info? I'm curious. -Dave G. From bens Tue Apr 16 15:51:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GJpTI24940 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 15:51:29 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 15:51:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200204161951.g3GJpSG24936@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter M Hope" To: Subject: Re: Kalahari Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Safari Guard has photos at the website. They are the ones that supplied all the add ons. Pete From bens Tue Apr 16 15:55:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GJtWf24980 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 15:55:32 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 15:55:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200204161955.g3GJtWN24976@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mitchell, Ben" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Kalahari Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 12 lines filtered. ] http://www.safarigard.com From bens Tue Apr 16 16:01:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GK1oM25035 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:01:50 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:01:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200204162001.g3GK1nl25031@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: series fuel tank repair .......was Re: Heresy!! Heresy!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Stirling Anderson wrote: But I > digress... anyone know a place around San Jose that > restores or will restore the petrol tank in my 88"?? > It's real rusty inside and it's leaking on one of the > solder seams. Thanks, Stirling, call Mike at bonnets classic mg...or similar name. in San Jose near downtown. Mike, if he is still around should know a show that will do the repair. ...also radiatorland was supposed to be able to do it when I talked to them a few years ago....just never went in as I had a new tank in Surely.....but had two spares and figured I should fix the leaky one....shoulda kept the spares...for the african apparently, but I wasn't sure when I would have another series at the time.... ...and there is teh tank sloshing compound as well. I used it in a Jensen healey tank, a couple motorcycle tanks, the MGA, and have had great luck with it. I used the POR-15 vesion, but htere are others out. you need to make sure it will stand up to california gas though some don't paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From bens Tue Apr 16 16:02:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GK29x25050 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:02:09 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:02:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200204162002.g3GK29R25046@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Kalahari Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Oh sorry, my mistake. I thought the reference was to something to be offered by LR as a fully developed vehicle, not a garage project monster truck. Like I said, my mistake. Saves me time looking into it. :^) -Dave G. From bens Tue Apr 16 16:03:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GK3oB25089 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:03:50 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:03:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200204162003.g3GK3ni25085@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Rich Williams" To: Subject: subscribing to list Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anyone have any hints on subscribing to the list. For some reason I can't seem to get any of the emails from this list. Yes, I followed the usual steps. Thank you, Rich Williams From bens Tue Apr 16 16:13:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GKDfl25174 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:13:41 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:13:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200204162013.g3GKDfv25170@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Whitbeck To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Kalahari Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org There's a Kalahari "Concept" on the Safari Gard website. Also, on Disco Web, there's what appears to be the actual Kalahari, which will be sold by LRNA (I think). Kind of the Disco II version of the XD. See http://www.discoweb.org/kalahari/index.htm Not nearly as set up as the SG "Concept" version. Go figure... P ************** Peter Whitbeck Peter@RailCarAmerica.com http://www.railcaramerica.com/pw/ From bens Tue Apr 16 16:35:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GKZ4t25279 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:35:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:35:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200204162035.g3GKZ4n25275@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Kalahari Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Oh sorry, my mistake. I thought the reference was to something to be >offered by LR as a fully developed vehicle, not a garage project monster >truck. > >Like I said, my mistake. Saves me time looking into it. :^) Dave, it WILL BE offered by LR dealers and it's not just a garage project monster truck. It's a direct concept vehicle for a model that'll be sold by the dealers. Here: LAS VEGAS, October 30, 2001 How do you make the world's best off-road vehicle even better? That was the challenge Land Rover and SAFARI GARD tackled when developing the Kalahari Safari Gard Concept, on display for the first time at the 2001 Specialty Equipment Market Association (SEMA) Show. With a modified suspension, rock sliders and new front and rear bumpers this off-road concept, based on the Discovery Series II, has been tailored by SAFARI GARD to tackle any off-road terrain with ease while maintaining on-road driving performance. "This vehicle will appeal to off-road enthusiasts and reinforces Land Rover's well-respected credentials for building the best four by fours by far," said Jon Williams, Land Rover North America vice president of Marketing. "Selected features showcased on this concept can be found on the special edition 2002 Kalahari Discovery that will be available at Land Rover retailers in the coming months." jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Apr 16 17:09:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GL9fu25498 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 17:09:41 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 17:09:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200204162109.g3GL9fd25494@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: New Range Rover article Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org For anyone interested, there is a pretty good article in the latest Four Wheeler about the upcoming Range Rover model. Cheers John From bens Tue Apr 16 17:23:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GLNeN25757 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 17:23:40 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 17:23:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200204162123.g3GLNe025753@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: "Rich Williams" Cc: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: subscribing to list Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200204162003.g3GK3ni25085@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > Anyone have any hints on subscribing to the list. For some reason I can't > seem to get any of the emails from this list. Yes, I followed the usual > steps. The arrots that I'm getting is that your ISP is blocking mendo_recce email as Spam. nwlink.com is the only site that does this. lndrvr1@nwlink.com (reason: 553 5.3.0 5.7.1 - Access Denied - Spam) (expanded from: :include:/var/majordomo/lists/mendo_recce ) lndrvr2@nwlink.com (reason: 553 5.3.0 5.7.1 - Access Denied - Spam) (expanded from: :include:/var/majordomo/lists/mendo_recce ) You might want to talk with them and find out what he real issue is. Ben From bens Tue Apr 16 17:25:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GLPoi25788 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 17:25:50 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 17:25:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200204162125.g3GLPok25784@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Granny To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New Range Rover article Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John Brabyn wrote: > For anyone interested, there is a pretty good article in > the latest Four Wheeler about the upcoming Range Rover model. I'll second that. Not only does Four Wheeler give it a good look and kudos, Road & Track, notorious for its complete disdain of SUVs, also gave it a "First Looks" write-up and heaped it with glowing praise! Makes me want one! Granny From bens Tue Apr 16 17:37:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GLbkU25874 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 17:37:46 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 17:37:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200204162137.g3GLbkV25870@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: subscribing to list Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Ben etc. Saber.net is blocking spam, porn, and most viruses these days, but we can visit the site and select what level of blocking we want or not. Also we can tell it to allow certain addresses through. Bob B At 02:23 PM 4/16/2002, you wrote: > The arrots that I'm getting is that your ISP is blocking mendo_recce >email as Spam. nwlink.com is the only site that does this. > >lndrvr1@nwlink.com > (reason: 553 5.3.0 5.7.1 - Access Denied - Spam) > (expanded from: :include:/var/majordomo/lists/mendo_recce ) >lndrvr2@nwlink.com > (reason: 553 5.3.0 5.7.1 - Access Denied - Spam) > (expanded from: :include:/var/majordomo/lists/mendo_recce ) [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Apr 16 18:05:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GM5Eg26049 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 18:05:14 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 18:05:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200204162205.g3GM5Dk26045@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Kalahari Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....With a modified suspension, rock sliders and new front and rear bumpers..." That description could fit both the truck pictured on the SG site, AND the one pictured on the DiscoWeb site. The one on the DW site is a LOT closer to what I'd expect to see for sale at a LR dealer. The day that a major manufacturer offers a vehicle to the general public with a 30" bumper height, 34" tires, and (what appears at any rate to be) screw-down beadlocks will be a day I owe somebody a lot of beer. The DOT won't go for it, the certification process would be hellish, and the ROI just would not be there. Remember, it's all about making a profit.... Oh yeah, and avoiding product liability lawsuits which would flow like a river from anyone hit by one of those SG Kalaharis if it were sold by an OEM. The job of the concept truck was to put a picture and an idea into people's heads. When they go to the dealer and ask about the D2 Kalahri, they'll find a truck like the one on the DiscoWeb. Either that or, "Strange things are afoot at the Circle K" :^) -Dave G. From bens Tue Apr 16 18:12:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3GMCGA26090 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 18:12:16 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 18:12:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200204162212.g3GMCG626086@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Range Rover 4.0 Injectors Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...Any guesses as to what IS making it run poorly?...." I'd be looking at air problems rather than fuel problems first, since Land Rovers are lots more maligned for those things. Proper functioning of the Idle Air Control Valve stepper motor, no vacuum or air leaks to the intake tract, the dreaded "Tee Piece", loose or split intake pipe letting air bypass the Mass Air Flow sensor, Coolant Temperature Sensor (the one that feeds the ECU, not the one for the gage, O2 sensors, and then maybe the Throttle Position Sensor. I'd be going over all that stuff (in roughly that order) before pulling injectors. -Dave G. From bens Tue Apr 16 20:37:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3H0bG626709 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 20:37:16 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 20:37:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200204170037.g3H0bG026705@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: plastic water containers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello, What makes a better water storeage container - ABS or HDPE and why? I see some vendors tout ABS but with no reason... Thanks, JoeM '67 SIIA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From bens Wed Apr 17 00:51:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3H4pT028942 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 00:51:29 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 00:51:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200204170451.g3H4pTT28938@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Cc: "Dickinson, Scott" Subject: Re: New Range Rover article Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I wrote: > I'll second that. Not only does Four Wheeler give it a good look and kudos, > Road & Track, notorious for its complete disdain of SUVs, also gave it a "First > Looks" write-up and heaped it with glowing praise! That was the April issue. The May issue came today. The last page of R&T always is "P.S." (Photo Story), an amusing photo, often given a fanciful caption. This month's was such a prize, however, that it needed no caption. It was the back of a tired-looking yellow Range Rover with some sort of European plates and the paint falling off. The "RANGE ROVER" letters on the tailgate had been artfully modified. RANGE had the top notched out of the R (and filled in the right side to match the left leg) and the E had been scraped off. ROVER, likewise, had the first R removed altogether. You can figure out the result! Granny From bens Wed Apr 17 01:53:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3H5re729218 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 01:53:40 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 01:53:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200204170553.g3H5reE29214@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Brian Foster" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Range Rover & Freelander Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org New Range Rover: I have seen two of them driving around here in Southern California. I work near the new Ford Premium Group building (damn, wish I could find some way of getting a job there). Saw a black one twice and a champagne colored new range rover. Much better looking (no offense) than the latest style. The shark gills on the side ruin the profile, but the rest of the vehicle is stunning. I got a good look at the inside (sitting at a resturaunt nearby) and it is... well... right. It looks right. I wish I could afford one. New Freelander: We have been Land Rover-less for about 9 months now and we are going thru withdrawls. I have been considering leasing a LR, so I inspected the Freelander on Sunday. I can get beyond the exterior, but the interior is impractical and ugly. However, I do like the way it drives. Too bad it is too small. It needs about 3-4 more inches in the rear seat area and about a foot behind the rear seat to be practical. I also had a hard time getting in without hitting my head (seats are really high off the floorboards). The new Saturn Vue is more practical but doesn't drive as nice. Wish you could combine the Vue's interior and body panels with the Freelander chassis and engine. Brian Foster _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Wed Apr 17 02:06:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3H66Dk29289 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 02:06:13 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 02:06:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200204170606.g3H66DH29285@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Miles M." To: Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #718 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precisely my thoughts about those new LRs. What have your heard about the 2003 Discovery? MILES On 4/16/02 9:51 PM, "Mendo_Recce digest:" wrote: > Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:24:48 -0400 > From: LRDino@aol.com > Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #717 > > Brian, > > I'd rather buy a used Disco 1 or 2 for the price of the Freelander. > > Dino 95 5 Speed Disco From bens Wed Apr 17 09:13:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3HDDcP31020 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:13:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:13:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200204171313.g3HDDcm31016@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Range Rover & Freelander Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >New Freelander: >Too bad it is too small. It needs about 3-4 more inches in the rear >seat area and about a >foot behind the rear seat to be practical.... >Brian Foster Sounds like a Discovery to me..... RW -- Too Dumb For Opera Too Smart For NASCAR..... From bens Wed Apr 17 09:52:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3HDqjp31189 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:52:45 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:52:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200204171352.g3HDqjp31185@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Range Rover & Freelander Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...Sounds like a Discovery to me....." Or a Range Rover. To me, the Disco's more vertical arrangement of front and rear walls, and the outside spare, made that loadspace much more practical than the kind of pyramid shaped Rangie one. This is why they needed a gaggle of 110s along, or their interiors gutted out, to do any expedioning. -Dave G. From bens Wed Apr 17 10:32:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3HEWsG31343 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 10:32:54 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 10:32:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200204171432.g3HEWsa31339@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: plastic water containers and another question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...What makes a better water storage container..." I put the materials question to a knowledgeable friend (polymer chemist/mountain biker) and we'll see what he says. My 2 cents is related to things other than material. This is mostly from the book, "Against Gravity" by Ed McCabe about a privateer's effort to do the Paris-Dakar Rallye. One thing I remember from the book was that he'd gotten some water bottles that had seams in them, and they split during his practice trials of the vehicle, so he got seamless (roto or blow molded) cans (5-gal) and had no problem with them in the rallye. Secondly was to "condition" the bottles with scotch to eliminate the plastic taste. Some amount of scotch, either mixed into water, or sloshed around, and then dumped out before you fill with fresh water. I don't remember the ratio, but I can look it up if you like. One or more of these things may point to the proper material, but I'll let you know when I find out more. I'm also very interested in this one as I'm setting the G up for expedition type travel. My other question is: Does anyone have a good source for packing systems? I have been through VDEG, and will read again, but Sheppard's MO seems to be mostly custom rigging. I wondered if anyone knew of companies that might market to this need (probably too small a demand), of modular packing systems that facilitate daily load/unload, pack/unpack in an efficient manner. My current plan is to start looking at containers (pelican mainly) that are available in sizes that will fit efficiently into the available loadspace of the G. I also need a couple of coolers that will fit into the system, square sided, efficient insulation, etc. Anyway, if anyone knows of sources I should be looking into, let me know. -Dave G. From bens Wed Apr 17 10:46:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3HEkgA31419 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 10:46:42 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 10:46:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200204171446.g3HEkgB31415@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Range Rover 4.0 Injectors Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Spencer, My '89 Rangie saw for nearly two years: when I decided to bring it back to life in the last few months, I thought I'd simply need to replace the transfer case, and rebuild the brakes. I ended up having the distributor rebuilt (mechanical advance was frozen), replaced the ECU (I had fried the thing several years prior, but didn't know it...just thought the warning light was shorting out), and had many items replaced for free (stepper motor, coolant temp sensor, coil, MAF sensor, one 02 sensor, and front muffler!), before the shop had their brightest mechanic diagnose why my truck didn't want to restart, was stumbling, and had no top end. Turned out, the fuel rail - along with the injectors - were so dirty and full of rust (the wonderful Ca. gasoline) from sitting, that they were beyond cleanable! They did try, but a replacement set was installed as time was a factor in getting my truck done, and the truck runs better now than it did when I bought it. Of course, now I have to decide which to take to Mendo if I go...Rangie? Gillian? Rangie? Gillian?... Charles On Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:20:02 -0400 "Spencer Knight" writes: > > Hmm, so nobody seems to think that it's the injectors that are > making it run > poorly on start up. Any guesses as to what IS making it run poorly? > Also, > it occasionally wants to keep going when I'm trying to make it stop, > so I > have to throw it in to neutral to make stopping a little easier. Is > my [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Wed Apr 17 10:46:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3HEklN31433 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 10:46:47 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 10:46:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200204171446.g3HEklS31429@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: more tire dilema? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Matt, I got my Rangie tires from Wally-Mart: they too insisted that I should have Michelin's, and I explained to them that the XPC was NLA, and furthermore, that I planned on doing some mild off-roading with the truck - which the XPC's were only 'okay' for anyway. I also explained ot them that the original 205/80 x 16 tires were not true 80-series tires, and that I wanted something to lift the truck up a bit. I gave them the size I wanted (225/75 x 16), and they had a set of Goodyear Trackers for $92.00 each in that size. Of course, with the warranty/balancing/etc., the price still came out to $450, but I did get a decent set of tires for what I'm going to use them for. I'd suggest a mom&pop tire shop, as all the big stores will "make" you buy what is supposed to be on the truck, because they're afraid of getting sued for selling you somehting wrong for your truck (ala Ford/Firestone). Usually, if you show them that you're aware of what you're doing, they'll sell you what you want. Charles On Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:44:52 -0400 Matt Wilson writes: > > First, My apology's for burning up band width, I am sure that when I > get > this RR sorted I will silently fade away, until another newbie shows > up and > I can help in some small way. > > Smog; the truck passed no problems, > [ 35 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Wed Apr 17 10:57:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3HEvLJ31495 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 10:57:21 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 10:57:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200204171457.g3HEvKE31491@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Range Rover & Freelander Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I also like the look of the new Rangie. I was in Reno Sunday-yesterday afternoon: since we flew there, the SO and I rented a Nissan X-Terra (or whatever it's called!)...I was dissappointed with the interior space, even though some fo the creature comforts were nice. Also, this one MUST have had a 4 cylinder engine, as it was a gutless wonder! The nice thing about Reno, is that you can drive 5 minutes north on Virginia Ave., and hang a right on McCarran, and there are dirt trails all over the place, that are public access. So, she and I decided to test the rig, and see what it can/can't do. It came with General Grabber AW's, and while it went where I wanted it to go, it did tend to slip a little on a steep downhill, and it refused to climb the same hill in the opposite direction. This was a VERY steep hill - one that Gillian may even have a little trouble with, but the terrain was dry and not very rocky. I tried with both 1st and 2nd low, but no dice. Ground clearance was good even with the spare tire mounted below (second time this suprised me - a few years ago somebody took one of these trucks on Mojave Road, and enver had clearance problems), but even on the streets this truck had no power, and my Gillian probably had more torque. It revved fantastic, though, right through the band. Charles On Wed, 17 Apr 2002 01:53:40 -0400 "Brian Foster" writes: > > New Range Rover: > I have seen two of them driving around here in Southern California. > I work > near the new Ford Premium Group building (damn, wish I could find > some way > of getting a job there). Saw a black one twice and a champagne > colored new > range rover. Much better looking (no offense) than the latest style. [ 35 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Wed Apr 17 12:28:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3HGSbA31908 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 12:28:37 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 12:28:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200204171628.g3HGSbY31904@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Gary Chappell To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander woes.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org According to my sources, the 120 LR dealerships in the US sold less than 1,200 Freelanders in all of December '01, and less than 1,200 of them in all of January '02. Not sure if they've improved sales since then. I chose not to get the Freelander due to some of the same reasons brought up elsewhere in the thread: headroom (I'm 6'), rear seat & storage space, aesthetics. So I ended up with the 6-cylinder AWD Saturn VUE (sorry Leslie & Chris! Maybe next time...) --gary At 02:48 PM 4/16/02 -0400, John wrote: >I too would rather have a Jeep of any sort than a Freelander, but I am >sure Land >Rover will sell a fair number by leaning on the "heritage" and "image". That >works for a while anyway. Also a few sales videos of people treating >Freelanders >like rental cars in mild off road conditions might convince buyers they can go >anywhere. Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.346 / Virus Database: 194 - Release Date: 4/10/02 From bens Wed Apr 17 20:13:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3I0DnJ01652 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 20:13:49 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 20:13:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200204180013.g3I0DnL01648@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander woes.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Interesting data Gary since autio sales generally are supposed to be high for those months. I wonder what LRNA's target for Freelander sales is/was? Cheers John Gary Chappell wrote: > According to my sources, the 120 LR dealerships in the US sold less than > 1,200 Freelanders > in all of December '01, and less than 1,200 of them in all of January '02. > Not sure if they've > improved sales since then. I chose not to get the Freelander due to some of > the same reasons > brought up elsewhere in the thread: headroom (I'm 6'), rear seat & storage > space, aesthetics. > So I ended up with the 6-cylinder AWD Saturn VUE (sorry Leslie & Chris! [ 20 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Apr 17 21:52:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3I1qRg02096 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 21:52:27 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 21:52:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200204180152.g3I1qRx02092@minbar.fourfold.org> From: StevHutch@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Fuel pump mods Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 13 lines filtered. ] I originally had plumbed in my electronic pump as a back up, attached to the frame with a wire harness to power it that could be plugged into the dash plug. Also I had to swap a hoe that goes into my twin tank selector. (It saved my butt at least once on the trail.) Now I am running on it fulltime and have it pumping right through the stock pump..seems to work fine, but I think I am going to make it direct and block off the pump next. - S H > For those of you that have replaced your fuel pump with electric. What have > you done with the hole. Have you left the old fuel pump in? From bens Wed Apr 17 23:17:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3I3H1X03331 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 23:17:01 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 23:17:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200204180317.g3I3H1m03327@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: joemulqueen@yahoo.com Subject: off topic: Notebook PCs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello, I'm now in the market for my first PC notebook. If anyone has opinions to share about brands or models in the $1,200 range - please let me know off list. Thanks alot! Joe Mulqueen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From bens Thu Apr 18 00:31:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3I4Vg304804 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 00:31:42 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 00:31:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200204180431.g3I4Vf504800@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Range Rover Tires Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John B. wrote: >I guess nowadays if you take a Classic into the "rigid" tire >shops they will only sell you that abomination of a tire called >a Michelin Synchrone or something -- looking at it on a website >the other day I was appalled at how the original concept of a >"dual purpose" tire originally fitted on Range Rovers morphed >into a pure racetrack tire. I have had the Michelin Sychrones on my Range Rover for about half a year and I love them. I'm sure that they won't do that well in deep mud (if I run in to any on the way to Mendo) but they are great on the freeway, great in the rain and are better in the snow than any other all season tire I have driven on. They look like a street tire next to a real off road tire like a MT but they actually look aggressive next to the stock Michelins on a co-workers BMW X5. Kevin Kelly From bens Thu Apr 18 00:40:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3I4e1g04961 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 00:40:01 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 00:40:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200204180440.g3I4e0204957@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Leslie Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander woes.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org No apologies needed! I would not buy a freelander for pretty much the same reasons... If I want a plushie, I also demand lots of space. As a prototypical soccer mom I want a big, very nicely appointed mall assault vehicle. The freelander is not big enough for me and not plushie enough, I prefer the disco which is huge v/v volume, definitely capable off road and a serious comfort mobile. After a year of being without my disco, I do miss it! Now, that said, I love my D90 as my daily driver not because it is big, or plushie (???!!!!)...but because it is the most wonderful vehicle I have ever owned. It makes me smile. Did I mention that it is also a boy magnet? leslie... BTW....Mendo is NEXT WEEK!!!!! Gary Chappell wrote: > > According to my sources, the 120 LR dealerships in the US sold less than > 1,200 Freelanders > in all of December '01, and less than 1,200 of them in all of January '02. > Not sure if they've > improved sales since then. I chose not to get the Freelander due to some of > the same reasons > brought up elsewhere in the thread: headroom (I'm 6'), rear seat & storage > space, aesthetics. [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- -- Leslie Johnston-Dow, Ph.D. Sequencing Software Group Lead, Applied Biosystems johnstln@appliedbiosystems.com 650-638-5104 KG6HSG From bens Thu Apr 18 10:45:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3IEjQt07840 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:45:26 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:45:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200204181445.g3IEjQF07836@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Painlesswiring is COOL. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Regent has a Painlesswiring Masterminder battery manager. I have two batteries currently running in him, but the manager can handle three. I called Painless Wiring to find out what the part number was for another solenoid for this unit so I could hook up the third battery.(Trailer) The technician informs me they no longer make the unit and he could not help me. I was shocked! He said the manufacturer is no longer making the unit and they did not have anything for it. I was very dissappointed. I figured they would at least have a solenoid that would work with it, or at least a suggestion. There web site happens to list the companies contacts, so I emailed the President. A day later the VP of sales& Marketing emails me back. He apologizes for misinformation given to me by tech support, and says they have been growing like crazy so its hard to keep up with phone support training. It was true that the circuit board supplier died in the Tech crash of last year, but gave me the part number of the solenoid I need and a discounted price. That's the way customer service is supposed to work. -Rob From bens Thu Apr 18 11:09:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3IF9HB07970 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:09:17 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:09:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200204181509.g3IF9Ho07966@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Painlesswiring is COOL. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have had great service from them as well, Rob. Do they have another product for battery management? I want to have a backup battery in the G soon. -Dave G. From bens Thu Apr 18 11:19:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3IFJ1208026 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:19:01 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:19:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200204181519.g3IFJ1f08022@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Painlesswiring is COOL. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org <<<<< Do they have another product for battery management? I want to have a backup battery in the G soon. They have to dual battery current control systems which includes a solenoid, switch, an prewired connectors. It just doesn't seem as sophisticated as the Masterminder unit. -ROb From bens Thu Apr 18 11:21:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3IFLa608067 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:21:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:21:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200204181521.g3IFLZR08063@minbar.fourfold.org> From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Painlesswiring is COOL. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave (and Rob) Wrangler Power Products in Portland has a very similar product, using a constant-duty solenoid and a three-position dash switch - the Battery Manager. Ask for their great 87 page wiring prodicts catalog too - www.wranglernw.com Craig "Gomes, David" wrote: > I have had great service from them as well, Rob. Do they have another > product for battery management? I want to have a backup battery in the G > soon. > > -Dave G. From bens Thu Apr 18 11:57:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3IFvnk08256 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:57:49 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:57:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200204181557.g3IFvlh08252@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Stenwick" To: , Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #718 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org There are some excellent photos of the new Disco II Kalahari version at: www.safariguard.com/Kalahari Bill Stenwick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mendo_Recce digest:" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 9:51 PM Subject: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #718 > > Mendo_Recce digest: Wednesday, April 17 2002 Volume 02 : Number 718 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 00:44:50 -0400 > From: "Granville Pool" > Subject: Re: more tire dilema? [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] say's > I > > can only sell you the Michelins! end of story, no explanation, no answer > for > > how come I have seen other RR's with different tires. > > I'll bet he would only sell you the OEM size, too. You should have seen the > scene I had at Costco in Santa Rosa when I went there to buy tires for my > wife's Mercury Mystique. It had its original tires which were summer tread > Firestones in size 205/60R15. I felt that this was a ridiculous tire for > that car. It's the same size that was on our Peugeot 505 Turbo Station > wagon, a much bigger, heavier, more powerful, and sportier car. The > Mystique, despite its Mondeo lineage, corners like a kneeling camel anyway > so the dry pavement grip of those tires was way beyond the suspension's > limits. So I wanted an all-season, well-siped, anti-hydroplaning grooved, > tire in size 195/65R15 (same overall diameter as 205/60), for better wet > road performance. Not only would the bumptious twit at Costco not sell that > size to me but said it would make the car dangerous. I pointed out that the > wider tires were what was dangerous as they were more likely to hydroplane > (especially on such a light car). He got rather nasty, essentially saying > that I didn't know what I was talking about, that he was the expert, etc. I > guess the 400 or 500 issues of Road & Track that I've read from cover to > cover were a complete waste of my time! All I had to do was go to Costco to > learn all about tires! > > I went to Les Scwab and got a great deal on what I wanted, with no grief > over wanting to change sizes. > > > So what do I say when I go to my local tires store? > > Go to Les Scwab and just say what you want! > [ 96 additional quoted lines pruned. ] jiggle > >the parking brake, but the light didn't seem to be responding to the > parking > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:07:02 -0400 > From: TeriAnn Wakeman > Subject: Re: Freelander woes.... > [ 55 additional quoted lines pruned. ] a > very courteous reply from their "president", quoting a competitive price > ($145 ea, mounted and balanced), and stating that he only had 4 in stock but > would order the fifth and have them for me whenever I wanted to come in. > We'll see how it goes. I still need to get a 5th 16x6 steel wheel for the > G. The truck was upgraded at one time from the standard 5-1/2s to 6s, but > the spare was neglected. I still have the like-new stock spare tire behind > the garage. I can't wait to stand it up next to the new ones when I get > them. :^) > > So I guess I'm really tempting the fates, putting an out-sized tire on, and > using a rim that's narrower than recommended too (I think Cooper asks for > 7"! Heaven forbid! > > - -Dave G. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:22:20 -0400 > From: TeriAnn Wakeman [ 40 additional quoted lines pruned. ] an > outlier in the marketing surveys and would have to fend for myself in > finding what I liked to drive, eat, live in, etc. It sure is cheaper than > feeling compelled to zoom to work in the latest sporty cute-ute every new > model year. > > - -Dave G. > > ------------------------------ > [ 49 additional quoted lines pruned. ] electric > > fuel pump. Having fuel nearly as soon as the ignition is switched on will > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:39:14 -0400 > From: StevHutch@aol.com > Subject: Kayaking / boating on Tomales Bay > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] up > ..and get rather high as they can this time of year there. The mid and south > ends are best for kayaking, and there is even a place in Marshall that rents > them I recall. > > As for sharks, yep spring is supposed to be mating/birthing season and a > haven for shark activity there...no attacks that I know of but Bodega has had > one or two in past years. Also, someone from my dive school had a nasty pic > of a very dead , chomped seal in Tomales due to shark attack. > > Dillon Beach is a nice spot, if you don't mind paying the private land > owners. But stay away from the mouth of the bay as it has very tricky breaker > waves and sand bars that make open ocean access via small fishing booats only > for the very experienced. Many novice have capsized there, and had fatal > drownings. > > - S H > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:04:06 -0400 > From: "Blair Peterson" [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] http://www.coopertire.com/tire_cooper/ltsuv.asp?id=28. They are similar to BFG MTs but less expensive (I put 7.50R16 on the 109 for about $95 each). Independent dealers usually can get Coopers. My tire guy in San Rafael can get 'em and install 'em on your way to Mendo... > > Congrats on the new house, new truck. We have a new house too (a '51 Rancher) but won't be moving until we get some work done. > > Cheers. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:04:11 -0400 > From: Brian Horner > Subject: Re: Heresy!! Heresy!! > [ 52 additional quoted lines pruned. ] or March. Oh well. With Mendo on the horizon(!), my Rover Trip Credit Balance is spoken for. If someone wants to put something together, I can give you the details. > > Cheers. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:14:01 -0400 > From: Jason Pipes > Subject: Re: Freelander woes.... > [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] designs. > > Just a thought, don't the average folks in the focus groups have a limited > degree of choices from which to comment upon when the marketing folks put > them to the test? I don't imagine they just sit down with people and show > and ask them everything. They've already come up with the jist of what they > want to pump and are relying on the average folks to refine and smooth out > the edges. Or is this not correct? The wild popularity of the rereleased > Gwagon is a good example showing smooth straigh lines are not "out of style" > at all. I find it hard to believe that the majority of people would find the > stylings of the future Defender or current Freelander more appealing than > the current Defender. If that is so, why do so Defenders cause so many heads > to turn and mouths to drop almost everywhere they go? Anyway, I'm totally > running on here... > > >Rover is building Defenders for the average person on this mail list. It > >is just unfortunate we can not buy one. > > If by "this list" you mean the Mendo list, I think you are not entirely > correct. Defenders aren't really made so much for the end user who > understands and appreciates offroad capability as much as they are made for > the military and commerical industries of the world. The fact that offroad > capable vehicles like the Defender also inspire a small sector of the > civilian market enought that they also buy and use them is likely a postive > side effect and not their main goal. If so, they wouldn't be moving away > from creating such great vehicles. As mentioned above though, I think if > marketed to the larger market, they too would take off as I think deep down > they appeal to a great deal of people. > > >Jeep is building the Wrangler line to attract people on this list. From > >what I saw, the '03 Rubicon will be quite capable out of the box. > > Interestingly enough LR has a, albeit very limited, run of specially > modified available vehicles, the old Disco XD comes to mind, and even more > so, the new Discovery Kalahari which will be super modified with larger > tires, offroad suspension, rocksliders, ARB style bumbers, and more. I [ 19 additional quoted lines pruned. ] :^) > > KIDDING!!! (about the LR part) > > - -Dave G. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:29:47 -0400 > From: Jason Pipes [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] VEHICLE > >I've met, on or off the road. > > I have to say I enjoy the Land Rover aspect of Land Rover events just as > much as the people aspect. Something doesn't seem to fit when other vehicles > are involved. Sure it's still fun, sure the people are generally wonderful, > but I just enjoy the Land Rover aspect of Land Rover gatherings... > > And as long as I'm being contrary, I have to also disagree and mention that > I think that 110s and SIIIs are *BEAUTIFUL* vehicles, far better looking > and timeless than just about any other vehicle/truck that I know of. > > Jason Pipes > jpipes@feldgrau.com > www.feldgrau.com > > 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 > [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] I > couldn't disagree with you more! Series vehicles are beautiful in my opinion! > > Just wondering, what other vehicles were mentioned, and better still, what > one was the pick for best looking? > > >When I lived back east, I never even considered a 4x4. Then, when I > >moved here and saw dirt roads with their own exits off the interstates, > >I decided I needed one. Me and a buddy at work started a competition to > >find the ugliest 4x4. The general consesus is that I won. > [ 51 additional quoted lines pruned. ] of > the 463 G in the US is only a "foot in the door" measure to pull people into > MB dealerships who would otherwise be visiting Lexus, BMW, LR, and shortly > Porsche, dealers. In a couple years MB will bring out the new G class > vehicle, it will be built here in the states, and it will be a more direct > competitor (in styling, features, and mechanicals) for the likes of the > Range Rover. The good old fashioned 460 will still be made in Graz for > military markets, but not available for civvy purchase here. > > Put a G500, X5, and Range Rover in a mall parking lot with all the doors > open and ask people coming by to paw them all over and decide which one [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] it > back after that time (no prospecting market values). This test would get to > what people really want, and my guess is that the G would fall short of both > the Rangie and Bimmer in that contest. > > And if they made me the same offer, I'd happily say, "Thanks but no", and go > on my merry way in my 22 year old, 255,000 mile 460. :^) Cheryl would > probably give up her '92 Rangie for.... well, I'm not sure which one... > > - -Dave G. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:55:11 -0400 > From: James Howard [ 15 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Wow. I > > couldn't disagree with you more! Series vehicles are beautiful in my opinion! > > > > Just wondering, what other vehicles were mentioned, and better still, what > > one was the pick for best looking? > > > > >When I lived back east, I never even considered a 4x4. Then, when I > > >moved here and saw dirt roads with their own exits off the interstates, > [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] > > - -- > > ------------------------------ [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] done. > The Ducati 916 motorcycle has a timeless appeal to me for exactly the same > reason. No nonsense. Built to do a specific job as effectively as > possible. My friends look at the G and say, "It's too boxy for me".... But > to me, it's "Timeless". :^) > > Thanks! > > - -Dave G. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:19:15 -0400 [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] doors > >open and ask people coming by to paw them all over and decide which one > >they'd like to take home > > > > I dunno ... the new G-Wagen is already starting the rounds with the > local soccer moms. > > Frank > [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] run > poorly on start up. Any guesses as to what IS making it run poorly? Also, > it occasionally wants to keep going when I'm trying to make it stop, so I > have to throw it in to neutral to make stopping a little easier. Is my > truck trying to kill me!? > Thanks for the feedback. > Spencer > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:16:21 -0400 [ 58 additional quoted lines pruned. ] around > til you find one that isn't so fussy and will sell you whatever YOU want. > > I guess nowadays if you take a Classic into the "rigid" tire shops they will > only sell you that abomination of a tire called a Michelin Synchrone or > something -- looking at it on a website the other day I was appalled at how the > original concept of a "dual purpose" tire originally fitted on Range Rovers > morphed into a pure racetrack tire. > > Cheers > > John > > Cheers > > John [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] and > > I can help in some small way. > > > > Smog; the truck passed no problems, > > > > Registration; long line, write big check. Glad that's over. > > > > Tires; stop in at Costco, ask for a price on BFG LT245/75 R16 mud terrains, > [ 20 additional quoted lines pruned. ] > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:48:07 -0400 > From: John Brabyn > Subject: Re: Freelander woes.... > > Good insights as always Granny -- [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] sure Land > Rover will sell a fair number by leaning on the "heritage" and "image". That > works for a while anyway. Also a few sales videos of people treating Freelanders > like rental cars in mild off road conditions might convince buyers they can go > anywhere. > > Re the Liberty, I read they originally intended to have an "up country" package > for it but had to cancel it because the wheels rubbed or something. It is fairly > low in off road ability but certainly better than the Freelander, which came > last in that category in a recent comparison test in Car & Driver or Four > Wheeler (sorry can't remember which one!!). > > Cheers > > John > > Granville Pool wrote: > [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] is > > ugly). It's disappointing because I think the old Cherokee it replaces it > [ 21 additional quoted lines pruned. ] > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:50:30 -0400 > From: John Brabyn > Subject: Re: Freelander woes.... > > Excellent summary TeriAnn!! [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] the > > marketing geeks what they like and dislike about various proposed designs. > > > > Rover is building Defenders for the average person on this mail list. It > [ 36 additional quoted lines pruned. ] > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:51:26 -0400 > From: "Gomes, David" > Subject: RE: Freelander woes.... > > "...starting the rounds with the local soccer moms...." [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] floor, > without bypasses or cosmetic damage. But it's a bit sad, kind of like the > 427 vette that is used by a little old lady twice a week to get her hair > done and go to bridge club. :^) > > I looked in the window at that one parked next to me last weekend. Way too > much cushy plushy stuff for me. One of the things I like best about the > 460s is the cavernous space inside, undiminished by La-Z-boy seating and > padded leather door trim. > > - -Dave G. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:53:47 -0400 [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] could > be used out of the box or modified easily to meet specific needs. The bulk > of Series/Defender sales have been to people who appreciate the fact that > the truck will do what they intend to use it for without great modification. > Also that they didn't rust away, break down, become unfixable if you > looked cross eyed at them. > > Some people appreciate the awesome out of the box off road capability of the > trucks. In most places, where Series/Defender predominate, however, that's > only one of the reasons that they are so popular. They are a true Utility > Vehicle. > > Aloha > Peter O. > > >From: Jason Pipes > Defenders aren't really made so much for the end user who > >understands and appreciates offroad capability as much as they are made for > >the military and commerical industries of the world. The fact that offroad > >capable vehicles like the Defender also inspire a small sector of the > >civilian market enought that they also buy and use them is likely a postive > >side effect and not their main goal. If so, they wouldn't be moving away > >from creating such great vehicles. As mentioned above though, I think if > >marketed to the larger market, they too would take off as I think deep down > >they appeal to a great deal of people. > Jason Pipes > >jpipes@feldgrau.com > >www.feldgrau.com > > > >1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 > > > > [ 16 additional quoted lines pruned. ] case > >of the Wolf. Rover has equipped the militaries of many nations around the > >world but that's because the trucks were rugged modular vehicles that could > >be used out of the box or modified easily to meet specific needs. The bulk > >of Series/Defender sales have been to people who appreciate the fact that > >the truck will do what they intend to use it for without great modification. > > Also that they didn't rust away, break down, become unfixable if you > [ 32 additional quoted lines pruned. ] > > > - -- > Jason Pipes > jpipes@feldgrau.com > www.feldgrau.com > [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] a > trail apparently racing a helicopter. > At the top there is a view that looks like it's at Moab and the Colorado > river below. > > Funny, when we were there with Sherman in 1990, We saw a commercial being > filmed then. but I don't remember the circumstance now. > > Bob B > [ 18 additional quoted lines pruned. ] all > the add ons. > Pete > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 15:55:32 -0400 > From: "Mitchell, Ben" > Subject: RE: Kalahari > [ 80 additional quoted lines pruned. ] See > http://www.discoweb.org/kalahari/index.htm > > Not nearly as set up as the SG "Concept" version. Go figure... > > P > > ************** > Peter Whitbeck > Peter@RailCarAmerica.com [ 23 additional quoted lines pruned. ] the > first time at the 2001 Specialty Equipment Market Association (SEMA) Show. > > With a modified suspension, rock sliders and new front and rear bumpers this > off-road concept, based on the Discovery Series II, has been tailored by > SAFARI GARD to tackle any off-road terrain with ease while maintaining > on-road driving performance. > > "This vehicle will appeal to off-road enthusiasts and reinforces Land > Rover's well-respected credentials for building the best four by fours by > far," said Jon Williams, Land Rover North America vice president of > Marketing. "Selected features showcased on this concept can be found on the > special edition 2002 Kalahari Discovery that will be available at Land Rover > retailers in the coming months." > > jpipes@feldgrau.com > www.feldgrau.com > > 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 > > ------------------------------ > [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Wheeler > about the upcoming Range Rover model. > > Cheers > > John > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 17:23:40 -0400 [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] can't > > seem to get any of the emails from this list. Yes, I followed the usual > > steps. > > The arrots that I'm getting is that your ISP is blocking mendo_recce > email as Spam. nwlink.com is the only site that does this. > > lndrvr1@nwlink.com > (reason: 553 5.3.0 5.7.1 - Access Denied - Spam) > (expanded from: :include:/var/majordomo/lists/mendo_recce ) [ 21 additional quoted lines pruned. ] kudos, > Road & Track, notorious for its complete disdain of SUVs, also gave it a "First > Looks" write-up and heaped it with glowing praise! > > Makes me want one! > > > Granny > > ------------------------------ > [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] mendo_recce > >email as Spam. nwlink.com is the only site that does this. > > > >lndrvr1@nwlink.com > > (reason: 553 5.3.0 5.7.1 - Access Denied - Spam) > > (expanded from: :include:/var/majordomo/lists/mendo_recce ) > >lndrvr2@nwlink.com > > (reason: 553 5.3.0 5.7.1 - Access Denied - Spam) > > (expanded from: :include:/var/majordomo/lists/mendo_recce ) > [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] [ 15 additional quoted lines pruned. ] beadlocks > will be a day I owe somebody a lot of beer. The DOT won't go for it, the > certification process would be hellish, and the ROI just would not be there. > Remember, it's all about making a profit.... Oh yeah, and avoiding product > liability lawsuits which would flow like a river from anyone hit by one of > those SG Kalaharis if it were sold by an OEM. > > The job of the concept truck was to put a picture and an idea into people's > heads. When they go to the dealer and ask about the D2 Kalahri, they'll > find a truck like the one on the DiscoWeb. Either that or, "Strange things > are afoot at the Circle K" :^) > > - -Dave G. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 18:12:16 -0400 > From: "Gomes, David" > Subject: RE: Range Rover 4.0 Injectors [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] that > order) before pulling injectors. > > - -Dave G. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 20:37:16 -0400 > From: joe mulqueen > Subject: plastic water containers [ 31 additional quoted lines pruned. ] caption. > It was the back of a tired-looking yellow Range Rover with some sort of > European plates and the paint falling off. The "RANGE ROVER" letters on the > tailgate had been artfully modified. RANGE had the top notched out of the R > (and filled in the right side to match the left leg) and the E had been > scraped off. ROVER, likewise, had the first R removed altogether. You can > figure out the result! > > > Granny > > ------------------------------ > > End of Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #718 > ********************************** [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Apr 18 12:10:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3IGAnB08488 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 12:10:49 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 12:10:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200204181610.g3IGAnL08484@minbar.fourfold.org> From: FHY To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #718 (Attn: D110 owners) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 22 lines filtered. ] --------------070001050002040904090103 Stenwick wrote: >There are some excellent photos of the new Disco II Kalahari version at: >www.safariguard.com/Kalahari > The correct site is www.safarigard.com/ There is a notice for D110 owners that Safari Gard is making a limited production run of: Standard Front Bumper $950 Front Skid Plate $375 Rock Sliders $599 Rear Bumper Ends $450 --------------070001050002040904090103 From bens Thu Apr 18 12:19:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3IGJVW08559 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 12:19:31 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 12:19:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200204181619.g3IGJU308555@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Stenwick" To: , Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #717 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Freelander vs. Jeep I would much rather have a 2 year old Jeep Grand Cherokee with a V8 and 20- 30 thousand miles than either a Jeep Liberty or a Land Rover Freelander. You can get one for less than a fully decked out model of either. I have a Grand Cherokee (94) and it is fine off road. Of course it does not compare off road with my new Discovery II. On the road, however, I think I prefer the Jeep. It certainly gets better gas mileage in spite of the 5.2 liter V/8. Probably due to the aerodynamic profile of the two. Bill Stenwick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mendo_Recce digest:" To: Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 9:29 PM Subject: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #717 > > Mendo_Recce digest: Tuesday, April 16 2002 Volume 02 : Number 717 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 23:44:47 -0400 > From: TeriAnn Wakeman > Subject: Re: Regent needs a fuel pump [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] for > >the diaphragm rod? > > No. > > There is only one company in the world (Located in Turky) making rebuld > kits for all the versions of the AC mechanical pump. This means no one > makes that oil seal. > > The rebuild kits BP sell are packaged as genuine LR and is identical to [ 46 additional quoted lines pruned. ] switch.. > but the plan is to have reduncy with two different possible failure modes :) > > TomW > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kerner, Rob" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 3:21 PM > Subject: Regent needs a fuel pump > > [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] home. > > > > He barely starts and then dies. I adjusted points since this was the last > > thing I did. Nothing. I checked carb and float. Both were fine. > > > > I disconnected fuel line and hand pumped. Nothing came out. I > disconnected > > the input pipe into the fuel pump, and gase poured out from gravity, so > its > > the pump. > > > > I pulled the pump, and the diaphram is ok, but the arm that activates it [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] on > a > > new fangled solid state electric? > > > > -Rob > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 05:30:58 -0400 [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] require a > > license to operate. > > Hole Hawgs are definitely the business. We used those when I worked > for an electrician during high school... would bite 3/4" holes through > floor joists in about a second. > > I was just thinking that the close cousin of the Hole Hawg, the Sawzall, > might be a nice addition to the truck for outings given a sufficient power > inverter. Keep a supply of both wood and steel cutting blades, and then [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] http://www.milwaukeeconnect.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/CategoryDisplay?cgmenbr=2 7&cgrfnbr=363&nosubcat=1&catnum=362 > > - -JY > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:49:43 -0400 > From: Matt Wilson > Subject: Brake warning light? > [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Friday > and to work today, our family is in the middle of a move, so lots to do at > home. > > The truck came with a file an inch thick, all service receipts since new, > and even the original window sticker. I can't wait to start reading it. > > On the way to work, the parking brake light came on and off, I would jiggle > the parking brake, but the light didn't seem to be responding to the parking > brake, is this the ghost of Joe Lucas? Where should I start looking? > I plan on getting the service manual this week. > > > Matt W > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:49:12 -0400 [ 17 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Geronimo, a 110 pulling an Airstream blew past me going West. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:54:04 -0400 > From: FHY > Subject: Re: 110/Airstream Siting > > Blair Peterson wrote: [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] now. > > > What''s that? > > Frank > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:56:29 -0400 > From: Benjamin Smith [ 16 additional quoted lines pruned. ] pump. > > Ben > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:58:13 -0400 > From: "Gomes, David" > Subject: RE: Brake warning light? > [ 18 additional quoted lines pruned. ] in > the heart of a Californian than the dreaded Smog-check.... > > Matt W > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gomes, David [mailto:david.gomes@gambrobct.com] > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 8:58 AM > To: 'mendo_recce@fourfold.org' > Subject: RE: Brake warning light? [ 29 additional quoted lines pruned. ] off > >the lip from the seal to make a flat rubber disk. From there I trimmed it > >down to size and poked a hole in the middle for the shaft. > > > [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 12:44:53 -0400 > From: James Howard > Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #713 [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] off > > road. It looks to be about 4' wide and 4'-6' long and very sturdy. Anybody > > have any idea where one might be able to procure a similar one? > > > > Bill Stenwick > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mendo_Recce digest:" > [ 564 additional quoted lines pruned. ] > > - -- > James Howard [ 18 additional quoted lines pruned. ] new > > seal? > > I don't know. Dora hasn't run since 1998 so it hasn't been an issue. > Hopefully I'll be able do the frame swap and engine rebuild this summer. But > first I need to move this weekend. But then I'll have a garage bay dedicated > to Dora and no more neighbors to complain about LRs. > > Ben > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 13:12:57 -0400 > From: Bob & Sue Bernard > Subject: Re: Regent needs a fuel pump [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] issue. > >Hopefully I'll be able do the frame swap and engine rebuild this summer. But > >first I need to move this weekend. But then I'll have a garage bay dedicated > >to Dora and no more neighbors to complain about LRs. > > > >Ben > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 14:20:46 -0400 > From: Benjamin Smith > Subject: Re: Regent needs a fuel pump [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] time to > be in the the city for the 9/11 incident (I'm in midtown, not downtown so all > was ok). So I've been living with my parents in NJ since then until I could > find more permanent/independant accomodation. I'm closing on a house in > west/central NJ on Wednesday. My late uncle's house. A horrible commute, > though by train, but nice and quiet. Herds of deer and turkey. > > http://www.fourfold.org/bens/readington/ > > Ben > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 14:25:59 -0400 [ 100 additional quoted lines pruned. ] and > I can help in some small way. > > Smog; the truck passed no problems, > > Registration; long line, write big check. Glad that's over. > > Tires; stop in at Costco, ask for a price on BFG LT245/75 R16 mud terrains, > manager asks what I'm putting them on, when I tell him it's a RR he say's I > can only sell you the Michelins! end of story, no explanation, no answer for > how come I have seen other RR's with different tires. > So what do I say when I go to my local tires store? > > Matt W > > PS neighbors and Land Rovers. > Friday morning 7:45. I moved the last of our things into new house. > Picture a quite tree lined suburban street. Birds are chirping, my new > neighbor is standing in his driveway, picking up the paper and holding a cup > of coffee.... > I drive up in Rusty, three mattresses strapped to the sun-sheet, all the > crap that's left over and didn't make it in boxes is stuffed in side. Mocha > my chocolate lab is riding in the passenger seat barking her head off. As we > stop in the driveway the brakes let out a mighty squeal. I wave, stack the > mattresses on the front porch tie the dog to the tree and leave for work. We > are home!!! > PPS Laura rescued the dog before 8:30 and she now has her own run in the > back yard. Mocha that is! > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:11:16 -0400 > From: ray harder > Subject: Re: Freelander woes.... [ 51 additional quoted lines pruned. ] have > you done with the hole. Have you left the old fuel pump in? That doesn't > seem right since the possibility for oil seal failure then still exists. I > called BP, and they don't have any blanking plate? I'll try some other > parts places tomorrow. > > - -Rob > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:07:19 -0400 > From: Shane Ballensky [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] jiggle > >the parking brake, but the light didn't seem to be responding to the parking > >brake, is this the ghost of Joe Lucas? Where should I start looking? > > I plan on getting the service manual this week. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:12:56 -0400 > From: "Gomes, David" > Subject: RE: Regent needs a fuel pump > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] big > enough to cover the hole will do. I think the one I used was 1/8" thick. > Measure the distance between the bolt holes in the block and reproduce them > at that distance apart on the plate. I think you need clearance for a 5/15 > bolt which would be 11/32 diameter holes, but if all you had was a 3/8 drill > bit, that would be fine. Use a regular FP gasket under the plate, > slathered with Hylomar and tighten it up. Should be okay. > > - -Dave G. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:14:35 -0400 > From: "Gomes, David" [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] used > to flicker all the time in steep off-road situations, even when it was full. > > - -Dave G. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:24:39 -0400 > From: Bob & Sue Bernard > Subject: RE: Regent needs a fuel pump > [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] have > >you done with the hole. Have you left the old fuel pump in? That doesn't > >seem right since the possibility for oil seal failure then still exists. I > >called BP, and they don't have any blanking plate? I'll try some other > >parts places tomorrow. > > > >-Rob > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 19:15:19 -0400 > From: James Howard [ 64 additional quoted lines pruned. ] is > ugly). It's disappointing because I think the old Cherokee it replaces it > quite good looking. The Cherokee's suspension is lousy (I've driven several > County-owned ones quite a bit). Perhaps the Liberty's is better in some > ways. But I feel that SUVs with independent front suspension should also > have independent rear or stick with live axles at both ends. I was really > looking forward to the Cherokee replacement and very disappointed in how it > turned out. I was hoping that it would look a lot more like the Dakkar show > vehicle and have the Grand Cherokee's axles and suspension. Bummer. > > On the other hand, I think I'd take one over the Freelander. Calling that > it a Land-Rover was BMW's doing. Rover had that idea on the drawing boards > long before BMW took over but planned to badge it as a Rover (car). That's > why I call it the Freeloader. Yes, it's quite a bit better looking than the > Liberty but looks aren't everything. It's all academic anyway, as both have > much too little room inside for my taste. > > I'd much rather have the new Range Rover. That, however, I am about as > likely to afford as an Aston Martin (which I also want!). > > Cheers, > > > Granny [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Apr 18 13:32:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3IHWpF09269 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:32:51 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:32:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200204181732.g3IHWpw09265@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #718 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....photos of the new Disco II Kalahari version..." Yes, but there is a big difference between that concept truck and the one you will/can be able to buy from dealers, which is visible somewhere on the Discoweb site, but I can't find the pix right now. Think a chubby XD. -Dave G. From bens Thu Apr 18 13:40:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3IHeNg09361 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:40:23 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:40:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200204181740.g3IHeM709357@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Brian Foster" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Disco2 was:New RR/Freelander Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I forgot to mention my thoughts on the Disco2. In a nutshell -- EXPENSIVE! I am driving a 1991 GMC 2WD 3/4-ton Suburban. It was lovingly cared for and garaged all its life. When I bought the 'burb 18 months ago it only had 78K miles on it -- and it turned over 89,000 this morning. I paid $8250 for it and it is flawless inside and out (still has the original paint with no rust and this is almost impossible to come by on this model). In fact, everything works on it perfectly today and the interior is amazing. Everyone is amazed when they see it and realize it is 11 years old. If I decide to sell -- anyone interested? So, $34K for a Disco2 with less towing capability & less space is hard to reconcile. I also think the off-road capability has been comprimised compared to the Disco1. On the otherhand, we rarely go off-road anymore (although I think this is going to change now that the kids are 7 & 5). The Disco2 is more comfortable than the Disco1 and I love the better visibility (we hated this about the Disco1). We like all the improvements and it is a serious contender for a lease. I would want to get one of the current Disco2 models before the next one comes out -- I am not sure I like all the exterior changes (BTW, there is a disguised new Disco rolling around down here too... or so I am told -- I have not spotted it yet). Brian _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Thu Apr 18 14:18:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3IIIlr09713 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:18:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:18:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200204181818.g3IIIl309709@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: ice chests Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave, Seems like the latest consumer marketing trend for ice chests is the stainless steel variety which might go well with the Pelicans. They're (icechests) now at Costco. JFM Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 10:32:54 -0400 From: "Gomes, David" Subject: RE: plastic water containers and another question .......current plan is to start looking at containers (pelican mainly) that are available in sizes that will fit efficiently into the available loadspace ofthe G. I also need a couple of coolers that will fit into the system, square sided, efficient insulation, etc..... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From bens Thu Apr 18 15:12:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3IJCFn10068 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 15:12:15 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 15:12:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200204181912.g3IJCFM10064@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: ice chests Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 30 lines filtered. ] That would be great. I'll have to get a look at them. Any idea what the brand is? I don't have a costco membership. -Dave From bens Thu Apr 18 15:32:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3IJW2L10173 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 15:32:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 15:32:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200204181932.g3IJW2o10169@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: ice chests Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- "Gomes, David" wrote: > That would be great. I'll have to get a look at them. > Any idea what the > brand is? I don't have a costco membership. Coleman....of course! ;-) if I recall it's their aniversery special or something. Pretty cool looking, but I wonder about the insulation to tell the truth...and sw some dents on the display one too...where your dad's old steel coleman was muuuuuuuuch stronger. ...You could always take a page outa Mike Slade's book and get the jumbo ARB fridge! ;-0 ...but wait than you couldn't afford fuel for the rest fo the year.... Lucky dog!I would love that fridge. I had done a search last year and found that you could get good deals overseas from the manufacture for some of the larger 12v fridges, but I think you'd have to buy a few to get the relly good price. i had thought at the time a group buy would be a good idea, but now......hmmm..do your research. not all ice-chests are equal. Colenam makes a five day? or longer chest that really keeps the cold in with minimal ice apparently. check their site. Joe Ernest has it, and I have to admit it really works well. Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From bens Thu Apr 18 16:12:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3IKCxv10414 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 16:12:59 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 16:12:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200204182012.g3IKCwk10410@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: ice chests Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ok Paul, I heard you talking bad about me!!!! Hey, ARB has lowered their prices on the fridges considerably. So much so that the retail price now is actually lower than the 'good guy' pricing I had just over a year ago. Too bad I bought my fridges back then eh? Anyway, another option is to call ARB and ask for Tim Lund in service. He can sell the damaged goods that are returned. I bought one of the medium sized 'damaged' ones last month and aside from being, well, damaged (a little) it works fine and honestly would have gotten dinged up as much as it is now after the first week of use. Other than the ARB freezer/fridge, I would just suggest getting el-cheapo coolers. As long as they're not styrofoam they usually last pretty good and IMO they are all about equally as good in keeping things cool. The old-school Coleman metal coolers are probably the best if you can find one. Later, Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From bens Thu Apr 18 16:49:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3IKnd610679 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 16:49:39 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 16:49:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200204182049.g3IKndp10675@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: ice chests Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I gotta tell ya, My shakes her head every time she goes back into one of our storage rooms.... She claims I have 10 coolers! I better not get another one, she's apparently counting! TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gomes, David" To: Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 12:12 PM Subject: RE: ice chests > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ Included Original Message ] > [ 30 lines filtered. ] > That would be great. I'll have to get a look at them. Any idea what the > brand is? I don't have a costco membership. > > -Dave > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Apr 18 17:02:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3IL22V10804 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:02:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:02:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200204182102.g3IL22I10800@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Hough Springs - M5 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Granny, A couple years ago you scouted a route out via Hough Springs that kinda sounded like fun (can't remember if it was the year before or after we both, independently, and about 2 hrs apart, tried it on the way in. It was the same year as the roll-over-Rover. I'll bring your Mendo email write-up and my maps-- at Cedar Camp I'd like to try to plot the route with you. Ok? Cheers. From bens Thu Apr 18 17:15:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3ILFAp10865 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:15:10 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:15:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200204182115.g3ILF9L10859@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: ice chests Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I like the older metal Coleman ones I'll have to look in to the specials. Haven't done any detailed studies on ice longevity, but in my experience, I am opening and closing that thing so often, that I think the actual insulation value is only a small part of how long the ice lasts. That's why on extended trips (week or more), I try to have 2-3 ice chests. One great big one that stays closed, keeping that chicken I want to eat on Friday from turning gray on Tuesday, And one or two other small ones that have lunch, snacks, beverages, etc. I just feel cheated when I stack two plastic ice chests next to each other and there's that narrow wedge shaped gap at the floor...WASTE.... And jamming spare clothes in there works okay for a one-time pack/unpack cycle, but not when setting/breaking camp and pack/unpack the vehicle is a daily affair for a week or two on end. That's my real goal. A packing system the family can live out of for a week and still get back into the truck in 15 minutes each morning. We'll see.... But I think nice square ice chests are a part of the equation. -Dave G. From bens Thu Apr 18 17:38:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3ILcis11008 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:38:44 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:38:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200204182138.g3ILchB11004@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: ice chests Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Thursday, April 18, 2002, at 01:49 PM, Tom Walsh wrote: > I gotta tell ya, My shakes her head every time she goes back into one > of our > storage rooms.... > > She claims I have 10 coolers! I better not get another one, she's > apparently counting! > Those should last you a while! We have 6 (I think). Problem is that every time we go somewhere in a large group someone seems to "borrow" one - now our 6 is down to 2... I wish someone would invent the "nasties are growing in here" alarm. Last time we went somewhere I didn't clean one out as it only had cokes in it (all the water/ice had been drained). Well, someone had thrown some excess meat in there - found it a month or so later. That dropped our cooler count by one... Shannon From bens Thu Apr 18 17:52:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3ILqoP11119 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:52:50 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:52:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200204182152.g3ILqoV11115@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: ice chests Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Shannon wrote... >Well, someone had thrown >some excess meat in there - found it a month or so later. That dropped >our cooler count by one... > >Shannon Until I got my ARB's that was pretty much my method of operation. Use the coolers until they either got stolen or food got left in them long enough to make the unpleasantness of actually cleaning it less painful than just going out and buying another one. With the ARB's, now my method has changed substantially. BUT (and here's a plug if you don't mind), without the added mess of melting ice, cleanup is a lot less messy, and you end up with more usable food because the ham doesn't end up with melted ice that is contaminated with raw chicken that covers the mayonnaise jar.....etc... Anyway, a small ramble... Dave, do you still want a LaSalle to Great Basin Ntl. Park route? I have a good one figured out for you! (ARB cooler is optional on it of course) Michael _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Thu Apr 18 17:58:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3ILwRq11163 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:58:27 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:58:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200204182158.g3ILwRB11159@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: ice chests Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 44 lines filtered. ] "...I have a good one figured out for you!..." You da man! Let me see if I can remember to call you tonight. -dave From bens Thu Apr 18 18:56:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3IMuXF11471 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:56:33 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:56:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200204182256.g3IMuXd11467@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: ice chests Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, Ok, she claims I have "bought" 10 coolers since we met ( thats about one a year.. no to bad IMHO, but hey I'm not women, so apparently they no more about this type of behavior ? ) I have had at least one disapear through the "loan a cooler" program, one had the little drain cap break off and get lost ( a rubber band and plastic wrap worked for a while )... Then there was the petrified meat and cheese incident ( I think I washed it out.... want a beer eh :) So maybe theres about six in the current inventory ???? TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Polla Slade" To: Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 2:52 PM Subject: Re: ice chests > > Shannon wrote... > > > >Well, someone had thrown > >some excess meat in there - found it a month or so later. That dropped > >our cooler count by one... > > > >Shannon [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] to > make the unpleasantness of actually cleaning it less painful than just going > out and buying another one. > > With the ARB's, now my method has changed substantially. > > BUT (and here's a plug if you don't mind), without the added mess of melting > ice, cleanup is a lot less messy, and you end up with more usable food > because the ham doesn't end up with melted ice that is contaminated with raw > chicken that covers the mayonnaise jar.....etc... > > Anyway, a small ramble... > > Dave, do you still want a LaSalle to Great Basin Ntl. Park route? I have a > good one figured out for you! (ARB cooler is optional on it of course) > > Michael > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > From bens Thu Apr 18 19:37:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3INbOk11669 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 19:37:24 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 19:37:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200204182337.g3INbOq11665@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: ice chests Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Where can I find our more about these ARB coolers? From bens Thu Apr 18 19:49:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3INnev11729 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 19:49:40 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 19:49:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200204182349.g3INneU11725@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: ice chests Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So far the only ice chests we lost to loaning were only temporarily so. During the fires year before last Cheryl made two ice chests worth of sandwiches and drinks for them and dropped them off at the local firehouse. In the midst of that confusion, we chalked those coolers up as a donation. But lo and behold, about 6 months later, they showed up at the clinic where Cheryl works! Someone had tracked her down by someone who knows someone who knows someone.... Gotta love podunk-whitebread-mountain-town livin' :^)))) -Dave G. From bens Thu Apr 18 19:53:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3INr5w11763 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 19:53:05 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 19:53:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200204182353.g3INr5o11759@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter M Hope" To: Subject: Re: ice chests Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org www.arb.com.au From bens Thu Apr 18 19:55:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3INtZU11793 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 19:55:35 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 19:55:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200204182355.g3INtY311789@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Cc: "'johnlee@expeditionexchange.com'" Subject: RE: ice chests Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...Where can I find our more about these ARB coolers?..." My friend John Lee sells the Engel ones at: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/engel/ I think Engel might badge them for ARB. Just another potential source, within the LR community. Besides, John bought my old D-90, and quit his lawyerin' job to run this business. He tells me the transfer case is whinin' so throw your money his way, it'll go to fix a Rover! :^)))) -Dave G. From bens Thu Apr 18 20:05:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3J05bg11849 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 20:05:37 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 20:05:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200204190005.g3J05bI11845@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Thomas Joyner" To: "Mendo List" Subject: RE: Ice chests and packing Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave, I used to guide on the Colorado river through the Grand Canyon. Our trips were never less than about 14 days. We almost always had ice left over at the end of the trip (even in 100+ degree heat). But rarely beer. Two keys were always using block ice and in the meat coolers (kept meat and veggies separate) using dry ice as well (and having most of the meat frozen solid too). We used Thermos 172 quart coolers. Big SOB's. I think the stainless ones being discussed are Thermos (or whomever) anniversay editions, my local City Market grocerey store has a bunch to sell. Aside from being too much money I think they'd do alright. Another suggestion re: a packing system would be to check out a local or catalog riversports supplier. River rats have known for years how to maximize space and pack and unpack on a daily basis for weeks on end. You could always go for custom built aluminum boxes that closely resemble military surplus ammo and rocket boxes but weigh a lot less and are a perfect fit for the space you want to fill (drop me an email offline if you'd like the name of a manufacturer in Flagstaff). Tom '88 RR Durango From bens Thu Apr 18 20:06:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3J06AB11864 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 20:06:10 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 20:06:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200204190006.g3J06A511860@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Regent has gas now, BUT Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I put new gaskets on the Rochester, and reset the floats, and now he starts and runs fine. Except when I drive it. If I floor it, it starts to sputter, and the engine dies. If I choke it, it continues to run, but it revs, and then almost dies, and then revs again. Once stopped it seems to go back to normal. I haven't found any vacuum leaks. Timing is fine. Points and rotor are fine. I readjusted the floats giving them a little more drop. I am frustrated, because I have to have one rover to take up to Mendo.... The Rangie goes in for electrical abnormality in the trailer harness tomorrow. The Celica or Morris can't tow the trailer. -Rob From bens Thu Apr 18 20:55:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3J0tLa12099 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 20:55:21 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 20:55:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200204190055.g3J0tLp12095@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: Re: ice chests Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org just a quick chime in here: I've got a refrig in the Defender , which did great duty for 5 of us in many conditions in Africa. Formerly was in Kermit, and also did expedition duty. The 3-way models are great, using either gas, 12v, or 110v. Has a little ice compartment, enough for a tray of ice and a couple of guava popsicles, even some Haagan-Das There is a brand that the serious off-roaders use in SA called Minus40. It's a freezer. Then they take a small, cheap cooler, and transfer the stuff the day before. For long range travel, it is ideal. Sometimes we would need supplies for 7-10 days, and then a freezer was the way to go.If I were to ever need another unit, I'd track down one if these babies.. http://www.minus40.co.za/off_road.htm Cheers, Daniel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gomes, David" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 4:55 PM Subject: RE: ice chests > > "...Where can I find our more about these ARB coolers?..." > > My friend John Lee sells the Engel ones at: > http://www.expeditionexchange.com/engel/ > I think Engel might badge them for ARB. Just another potential source, > within the LR community. Besides, John bought my old D-90, and quit his > lawyerin' job to run this business. He tells me the transfer case is > whinin' so throw your money his way, it'll go to fix a Rover! :^)))) [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Apr 18 21:01:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3J11hF12141 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:01:43 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:01:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200204190101.g3J11gt12137@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: RE: ice chests Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Other than the ARB freezer/fridge, I would just suggest getting el-cheapo >coolers. As long as they're not styrofoam they usually last pretty good and >IMO they are all about equally as good in keeping things cool. One thing you just might mention is that the el-cheapo fridges draw a whole bunch more power than the compressor type fridge, AKA ARB/Norcold. You really want a second battery if you are going to be stopped for a day with one of the cheap fridges running. A third battery if you are hanging out at base camp for the weekend. Where the Norcold/ARB fridge really shines is that they draw very low current when the motor is running. Of course, having ice cream about a week into a summer desert run isn't bad either. Almost wants to make me toss out more stuff to make room for a second fridge. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Thu Apr 18 22:18:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3J2I3E12768 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:18:03 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:18:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200204190218.g3J2I2P12764@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter M Hope" To: Subject: Re: ice chests Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I can not find the name of the manufacturer right now, but a friend got one in OZ. It's 12/24/120/240 volt and runs on Propane. So it's a great base camp fridge. Pete From bens Thu Apr 18 22:34:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3J2YGl12850 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:34:16 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:34:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200204190234.g3J2YGU12846@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Gary Chappell To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander woes.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org And you would know the D90's a boy magnet because?... oh, of course, that must be how you snared Chris! :-) --gary At 12:40 AM 4/18/2002 -0400, Leslie wrote: >Now, that said, I love my D90 as my daily driver not because it is big, >or plushie (???!!!!)...but because it is the most wonderful vehicle I >have ever owned. It makes me smile. Did I mention that it is also a >boy magnet? > >leslie... Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 4/17/2002 From bens Fri Apr 19 00:09:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3J49rT13638 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 00:09:53 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 00:09:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200204190409.g3J49rN13634@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Mehdi Saghafi To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Regent has gas now, BUT Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rob, do you want to borrow my extra zenith or Weber? Mehdi From bens Fri Apr 19 11:11:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3JFBxj17635 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:11:59 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:11:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200204191511.g3JFBxo17631@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher H. Dow" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: No Dowstream at Mendo Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org We'll be there, but the Globetrotter shall not. Last night we faced the grim reality that taking the Globetrotter to Mendo would involve cutting too many corners on the remodeling we're doing to it. It's currently short beds, cabinet fronts, and a floor. So, it's back to the tent for us. C From bens Fri Apr 19 12:24:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3JGOXx17968 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 12:24:33 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 12:24:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200204191624.g3JGOXf17964@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Rose, Randy" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Regent has gas now, BUT Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 117 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. Rob, Sounds like problems with the accelerator pump. Everything else sounds good, but it is starving on quick throttle opening. I don't think you can purchase the pump separate any more, but try replacing it. If you just put in a new pump, then the linkage to the accelerator pump. It can wear slightly, and there can be a lag before it starts to move and push gas through. IN particular, play in the operation when just coming off of idle can be troublesome. You can slightly bend the small elbow link between the throttle and the pump rod, the one that is held in by two small clips. If you make the bend tighter, the pump will start to actuate sooner. Usually a new pump fixes the situation though. You can check the accelerator pump by looking down the carburetor throat, with the engine off, and working the throttle. You should see a stream of gas when you move the throttle, and there should not be any dead spots or much lag, especially coming off of idle. No stream at all may! be a blocked passage. Other than the pump, it could be a piece of debris that has come into the float bowl that gets sucked up every time you draw a sudden amount of gas. Not likely though, as the power valve opens facing up. Also, there used to be two gaskets provided in the kit. I forget the exact difference, but I think one covers more of the base of the power valve. And, I don't recall which to use other than looking at the power valve base led me to decide which to use. Hope that helps, Randy From bens Fri Apr 19 14:52:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3JIqxp19057 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:52:59 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:52:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200204191852.g3JIqxP19053@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: ice chests Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 10 lines filtered. ] In a message dated 4/18/02 2:16:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, david.gomes@gambrobct.com writes: > Haven't done any detailed studies on ice longevity, but in my experience, I > am opening and closing that thing so often, that I think the actual > Do a little research on Geoffrey Pyke, the mad British boffin? Kind of neat really, Ice with more gusto. From bens Fri Apr 19 15:06:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3JJ6Fx19235 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:06:15 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:06:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200204191906.g3JJ6Eg19231@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Fwd: slot cars Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 5 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ multipart/alternative; ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ message/rfc822 ] [ multipart/alternative; ] [ text/html; ] [ 70 lines filtered. ] Very Interesting, especially for those with ankle biters, and surplus fundage. Er, isn't that an antonym? Zack In a message dated 4/18/02 8:31:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, hipine@worldnet.att.net writes: > > Have a look at this one. Please forward to Mendo, as I can't send there > from here (home) > > http://www.zcarslotracing.co.uk/sts-guide/stsg-contents.htm > > --part1_f2.1a5099cd.29f1c49d_alt_boundary charset="iso-8859-1" Have a look at this one. Please forward to Mendo, as I can't send there fro= m here (home) http://www.zcarslotracing.co.uk/sts-guide/stsg-contents.htm -Dave From bens Sat Apr 20 16:52:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3KKqXD27001 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 16:52:33 -0400 Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 16:52:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200204202052.g3KKqW226997@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Cc: , Subject: Plastic gas tank repair Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ( sorry for the cross post ) I recently had a new muffler installed, and it apparently shifted the tailpipe ( where it bumps over the axle ) to close to the D90's fuel tank. There is a heat shield there but it was mostly deteriorated ( check em folks )... The net result was my gas tank got a hole melted through it ( good thing I don't smoke, really scary situation ).. Anyhow ultimately I will replace the tank ( maybe with a custom made one? ) ..... but can a hole a little bigger than a silver dollar be repaired..... My wife picke me up some plastic tank repair goop, but it turns out to be for winshield washer fluid tanks and the like, and they warn against gas tank use..... what if anything is available... I'd like to at least fix it good enough to get it to a custom fab shop to have a new tank made... How much do you suppose a LR stock tank costs? ( I shudder to think ) TomW From bens Sat Apr 20 19:35:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3KNZ3o27782 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 19:35:03 -0400 Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 19:35:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200204202335.g3KNZ2Z27778@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Land Rover Expectations Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Whether it's a new Range Rover, Freelander or any other product from Land Rover you can't really compare them to any other vehicle out there. Let's face it Land Rover ownership is one of love for the car and nothing more. It breaks more and needs more maintenance than any other vehicle I've ever owned. My friend Josh Sosbee has gone through hell with his 98 Discovery LE7 and San Jose Land Rover, but he still loves that car! For most of the driving I do there are plenty of cars and trucks that will provide more room, better gas mileage, greater towing capacity, do better in crash tests, have a nicer ride, better stereo, fit and finish, but I don't want one of those cars. I love my Land Rovers for no logical reason. To own a Land Rover is to put up will all it's problems and still drive down the road with a big smile on your face having the time of your life. It the not just the car too, it's the best bunch of folks you'll ever meet. It the wave you get from other owners, the help you get from people you don't know and the friendships your about to make. You an buy a lot of different cars but there is only one Land Rover and I think it's the best!!!!! Keith ps. if your Disco shifter locks up, pop the top off the shifter and you'll find the retainer clip has fallen off. Clip it back on and your ready to go. Happened to me last night at my doctors office. From bens Sat Apr 20 20:12:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3L0CMc27939 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 20:12:22 -0400 Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 20:12:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200204210012.g3L0CMX27935@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: Mendo list Subject: RR AC compressor Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I recently bought a new AC compressor for our 89 RR. It was $225, including the clutch, and is identical to my original except the plug on the clutch wire is different and it does not have a Land Rover sticker on it. Also, it can be used with either R12 or R134a. Airpro, Mesquite TX, 972-288-8888 Item # 20-4647, and they have to reorient the cylinder head, so be sure to tell them it is for a Range Rover. They were very friendly and helpful. No core charge either. James From bens Sat Apr 20 21:56:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3L1ueP28328 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 21:56:40 -0400 Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 21:56:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200204210156.g3L1udB28324@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: RR AC compressor Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org James, I too recently redid the AC on my '89 Rangie! I got a good/used compressor, though (I know...but hey - I'm unemployed!). Mine also had a different plug: no biggie, because it doesn't matter which wire goes where, and so I simply cut off a plug, and soldered the other one on. Charles On Sat, 20 Apr 2002 20:12:22 -0400 James Howard writes: > > > I recently bought a new AC compressor for our 89 RR. It was $225, > including the clutch, and is identical to my original except the > plug on > the clutch wire is different and it does not have a Land Rover > sticker on > it. Also, it can be used with either R12 or R134a. > [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Sat Apr 20 21:57:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3L1vJP28343 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 21:57:19 -0400 Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 21:57:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200204210157.g3L1vI128339@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: rovernet@lyris.ccdata.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Latest sightings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Since I haven't done this in a while - and I have been out and about alot lately... Tuscon Az. sitting in a lot: TWO Austin Americas - one a 4-speed, the other an auto 2 240Z-cars: one near perfect, the other hit in the front 1 TR-7 coupe Pick n Pull - Fresno: '80-'82 Alfa GTV6 for sale - no price on window when I was there. Pick Your Part - Fresno: TR-7 convertible in yard, complete & original (NICE!) paint Pick n Pull (I think) - Bakersfield: 1 GT-6+ 1 TR-6 1 Midget 5 Sterlings 1 Edsel Wagon 2 '56 Nash Ramblers(!) 1 Mercury Monterey - drop-down rear window...all lights/stainless trim gone 4 Yugo's - one a Turbo! (rare) Lotsa other old 'Mericun stuff here - so much that I can't remember them all. The Coup de Grace: In either Visalia or Tulare (can't remember exactly due to "selective memory loss"): a '66/'67 Ford Cortina GT Mk.II that appears to be missing only the rear end, though I'm not sure what's left - yet (it has a '79 Monte Carlo, and a Astro Van stacked on top of it!), but I'll find out on Monday morning when they un-stack it for me (forklift was broken yesterday). Grille/bonnet latch are good, and I need 'em. This will be a chance to cheaply replace everything I raided from my '66. ALSO in this yard...a '50's Triumph...what appears to be a Standard 10 Estate!!!!! Data plate sez: "Triumph 10hp". At first I thought it was a Hillman Husky, but it's got rear side doors. (somebody may want to forward this to the Triumph list) It's all there except for rear lenses & bonnet. They also have a Series 1/2 XJ6, but everything firewall forward has been removed. Sorry - no Land Rovers, no Rover cars, though a dealer in Visalia has a '98(?) Disco for sale. The SO saw that 4-door Cortina near her place again last week, and I got buzzed by a '67-'68 MGB-GT outside her place yesterday, and on Highway 99 outside Fresno, there's still a Spit 1500 sitting in a lot just south of the Harley dealer. Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Sun Apr 21 00:34:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3L4YHA30084 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 00:34:17 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 00:34:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200204210434.g3L4YGG30080@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: 2002 Discovery Series II Kalahari Edition Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 5 lines filtered. ] For those of you who were looking at the Kalahari, I saw some more photo's of it. Kinda hard to see cause it looks like they threw a couple buckets of mud on it.... Anyhow, Cheers, Stirling.www.roverriders.org/photo_gallery_2002_autoshow03.htm --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more From bens Sun Apr 21 00:52:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3L4qBG30204 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 00:52:11 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 00:52:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200204210452.g3L4qBR30200@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher H. Dow" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Mendo Prep: 110 & 90 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org We finally got the OME HD shocks on the 110 today. We also did the alignment--it was slightly toed out. One of those two things made the difference with my abysmal road handling. I thought it was much better, but wondered if that was because I spent the day doing it (why are shocks slightly less work than springs?). Leslie, on the other hand, had been carping mightily about how it handled, and she, too, believes the road handling problem has been fixed. We put OME MD springs and OME shocks on the 90 last weekend. After doing the shocks on the 110 (which has no front sway bar--do any of you other 110 owners have front sway bars?) and seeing how much further the axle goes down in front when there are no sway bars attached, I can definitively state that it's easier to do front springs if the sway bar is completely disconnected from both sides. The manual may indicate this. I wouldn't know, as I can't be bothered to read it. I'd much rather waste much more time and curse alot. A word to the wise regarding the rear shock mounts: Once you get the nut and shock off the top rear shock mount, put the nut back on the mount so as not to confuse it with the nut which goes on the bottom of the shock. Confusing those nuts will result in the use of a die kit. I was going to put a new front steering stabilizer on the 90, but when I went to do so, I discovered why the old one broke and made it so Leslie could only perform left turns. The skid plate is buggered and it is no longer possible to put a steering stabilizer through it. C From bens Sun Apr 21 01:31:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3L5Vme30355 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 01:31:48 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 01:31:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200204210531.g3L5Vmk30351@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org, rovernet@lyris.ccdata.com Subject: Latest sightings I forgot about Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...New Orleans, in the French Quarter: Last year, I spotted a maroon-ish Disco that was running a steel spare wheel/tire on the left rear...well, either the owner is a true "Lazy Buggar" and hasn't bothered to replace it with the alloy proper (it's sitting on the spare holder), or it's gone flat again! Houston Hobby (Texas) Airport: not one, but TWO B-17's, and a B-24...WOW! I think that covers it...gonna work on Gillian tomorrow, and try to get her ready for Mendo...any list of attendees yet? Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Sun Apr 21 01:56:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3L5uJF30450 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 01:56:19 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 01:56:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200204210556.g3L5uIP30446@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo Prep: 110 & 90 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Chris, you should've mentioned you were going to work on the 110, Petra and I would have loved to have stopped down to help out/watch/laugh/etc. Mendo prep, and how! I've been working on our 110 as well, only for the past 4 weeks, taking care to fix/replace/upgrade just about everything I could think of. It's been a blast. Having a work shop space has been so great I can't even believe it. Having no job also helps as I have plenty of free time to on the beast! Now that you've checked/fixed your alignment we'll have to grill you for answers as that is one thing we have yet to do ourselves and wanted to do sometime soon. Our 110 has no front sway bar, btw. When we did the shocks/springs on the rear we disconnected the sway bar for the very reason you stated, otherwise it was near impossible to do. Also, regarding rear shock mounts, when we installed our OMEs back in August we realized the mount was almost totally stripped. We were able to just barely put the locknut back on to secure the shock, and then went until two weeks ago driving around like that. Very bad idea. We ordered a new mount (very $$). It took me 2+ hours to get the nut off the mold ount, I actually had to saw it off it was so messed up. When I did I could see the old mount thread was totally gone. I'm suprised the shock didn't fly off at some point. So we installed the new shock mount only to find that we didn't order a new locknut as well. Truck sat for three days on jack stands, locknut arrived, job done. Lastly, we just put an OME steering stablizer on the 110 as well, but found that the kit had no instructions whatsoever, and the bushings were totally different than the ones provided with the stock stabilizer. Anyone know what the correct order of placement on the OME is? I made my best guess but would like to know if I was right! Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Sun Apr 21 02:09:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3L69bZ30500 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 02:09:37 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 02:09:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200204210609.g3L69bK30496@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher H. Dow" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Track Rod Removal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I learned an interesting trick while performing the apparently-annual track rod replacement on both the 90 and the 110. If the rod is recalitrant about coming out, start the vehicle and turn the steering wheel back and forth a few times after removing the nuts which hold on the ends. Go back with the pickle fork, et voila! They pop right out. You may know this already, or (as seems likeley, if you are like me) you may forget this message before you have to perform the task. I'm developing a strong preference for the Allmakes track rod ends over the LR Genuine ones. I don't know if the Allmakes ends can be mated to the LR rod, because the Almakes ones have english threads. I like the nylock nuts on the Allmakes ends better, because I always wound myself with the sharp end of my cotter spring puller (the Genuine ends have a castle nut instead of a nylock), which looks rather more like an instrument of torture than a tool for use on an automobile. Two 1/2"-deep punctures today. The Almakes ends seem to come out easier, as well, but that may be because the ritual has become annual, and they no longer have time to rust in place. Last year, I failed to notice that the grease nipple needed to be installed on the Almakes ends. I was worried about that when I realized what I'd done (threw away--meaning placed somewhere in my garage--the nipples a couple of days later), but even without the nipples they outlive the track rods, so I guess it doesn't matter that much. I did remember to install them in the ends this year. C From bens Sun Apr 21 02:50:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3L6oLq30658 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 02:50:21 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 02:50:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200204210650.g3L6oK830654@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo Prep: 110 & 90 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Christopher, I have been doing suspension work on my 145 project, and am getting a custom rear sway bar made for it and have been thinking of just how to put a front sway bar on as well. The axle I have is a super early coil axle (1983), and has no provision for a sway bar on it. I think that Cooper is going to make some kind of bracket that can bolt onto the axle and use as the mounting point for a front sway bar. There are already sway bar mounts in the frame front and rear(oddly enough), but I'm not sure what year the frame is as it has no serial number stamped on it anywhere. I think a front sway bar for your 110 might be nice (dunno, just thinking about it out loud...). I have 2 front sway bars off of Disco's if you need one. Later, Michael _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Sun Apr 21 09:29:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3LDTq432265 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 09:29:52 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 09:29:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200204211329.g3LDTp232261@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Track Rod Removal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Chris, I don't understand the need to replace the trackrods annually? Even the trackrod ends shouldn't need to be replaced that ofter. BTW even the old series ends without zerk fittings can and should be lubed. What is causing you to do this so often? Bob B At 11:09 PM 4/20/2002, you wrote: >I learned an interesting trick while performing the apparently-annual >track rod replacement on both the 90 and the 110. If the rod is >recalitrant about coming out, start the vehicle and turn the steering >wheel back and forth a few times after removing the nuts which hold on >the ends. Go back with the pickle fork, et voila! They pop right out. > You may know this already, or (as seems likeley, if you are like me) >you may forget this message before you have to perform the task. > >I'm developing a strong preference for the Allmakes track rod ends over [ 18 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Apr 21 10:30:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3LEUQf32523 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 10:30:26 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 10:30:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200204211430.g3LEULT32519@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Mendo Prep: 110 & 90 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >Christopher, > >I have been doing suspension work on my 145 project, and am getting a custom >rear sway bar made for it and have been thinking of just how to put a front >sway bar on as well. > >The axle I have is a super early coil axle (1983), and has no provision for >a sway bar on it. I think that Cooper is going to make some kind of bracket [ 20 additional quoted lines pruned. ] TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Sun Apr 21 10:46:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3LEkjr32601 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 10:46:45 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 10:46:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200204211446.g3LEkiS32597@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher H. Dow" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo Prep: 110 & 90 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Polla Slade wrote: >Christopher, > >I have been doing suspension work on my 145 project, and am getting a custom >rear sway bar made for it and have been thinking of just how to put a front >sway bar on as well. > One nice thing about our stable is that the 90 (which has a sway bar) is right next to the 110 in the driveway, so I can look at how that could happen. >The axle I have is a super early coil axle (1983), and has no provision for >a sway bar on it. I think that Cooper is going to make some kind of bracket >that can bolt onto the axle and use as the mounting point for a front sway >bar. There are already sway bar mounts in the frame front and rear(oddly >enough), but I'm not sure what year the frame is as it has no serial number >stamped on it anywhere. > That sounds interesting. >I think a front sway bar for your 110 might be nice (dunno, just thinking >about it out loud...). > I've wondered if it would make it a little nicer on freeway interchanges. On the other hand, a friend of mine suggested that if that is the case, it's likely I should just slow down. >I have 2 front sway bars off of Disco's if you need one. > Thanks. TMS is willing to donate the one off her 90 now that shee has seen the difference in axle articulation. C From bens Sun Apr 21 10:50:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3LEo5W32624 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 10:50:05 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 10:50:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200204211450.g3LEo5R32620@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher H. Dow" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Track Rod Removal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Bob, You wrote: >8< > >What is causing you to do this [replace track rods] so often? > Big rocks. In the case of the 110, the cause is more likely poor judgement regarding the trails on which it is driven. C From bens Sun Apr 21 11:04:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3LF4ob32709 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 11:04:50 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 11:04:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200204211504.g3LF4o232705@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Track Rod Removal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Oh I get it, bent not worn ! Bob B At 07:50 AM 4/21/2002, you wrote: >Hi Bob, > >You wrote: > > >8< > > > >What is causing you to do this [replace track rods] so often? > > >Big rocks. [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Apr 21 12:09:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3LG9Qv00783 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:09:26 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:09:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200204211609.g3LG9QX00779@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Track Rod Removal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >>What is causing you to do this [replace track rods] so often? >> >Big rocks. > >In the case of the 110, the cause is more likely poor judgement >regarding the trails on which it is driven. Bob, the LR factory in their infinite wisom decided to place the track rods in a more exposed lower position on the Defenders than they did on the series rigs. Obsticals that would not touch series rods will stike Defender ones. That's progress TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Sun Apr 21 12:24:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3LGOrB00869 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:24:53 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:24:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200204211624.g3LGOqa00865@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Track Rod Removal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Oh! Cool? Bob B At 09:09 AM 4/21/2002, you wrote: > >>What is causing you to do this [replace track rods] so often? > >> > >Big rocks. > > > >In the case of the 110, the cause is more likely poor judgement > >regarding the trails on which it is driven. > >Bob, the LR factory in their infinite wisom decided to place the track >rods in a more exposed lower position on the Defenders than they did on [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Apr 21 12:57:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3LGvA701020 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:57:10 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:57:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200204211657.g3LGvAx01016@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher H. Dow" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Track Rod Removal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: >>>What is causing you to do this [replace track rods] so often? >>> >>Big rocks. >> 8< >Bob, the LR factory in their infinite wisom decided to place the track >rods in a more exposed lower position on the Defenders than they did on >the series rigs. Obsticals that would not touch series rods will stike >Defender ones. > I'd say infinitesimal wisdom. My friend who was over here heckling me while I worked mentioned his FJ40 has the track rod (probably called a tie rod) up high in front. C From bens Sun Apr 21 20:52:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3M0qak02868 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 20:52:36 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 20:52:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200204220052.g3M0qaN02864@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Disco II Kalahari/Halon Fire Extinguishers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I saw a brand new Disco II in the Marina this weekend that looked a lot more like the old Disco I XD than the "Safari Guard" Kalahari below http://www.difflock.com/buyersguide/newcars/DiscoveryKalahar i2/index.shtml The new Disco II I saw had the same colors (yellow with black out hood and dark wheel centers) as the Disco I XD but this one had actual Safari Guard rock sliders and interesting vinyl and cloth seats. The vehicle did not have any "Kalahari" or "XD" logos but it did have "Land Rover Special Vehicles" emblems. It looks like Land Rover decided to make the 2002 "Land Rover" Kalahari a little less aggressive than the "Safari Guard" Kalahari. http://www.landroverpeabody.com/sales/specials.html Kevin P.S. Over the years I heard people talk about Halon Fire Extinguishers. I just found a couple of them in my parents basement and just put them on eBay with bidding starting at $5 for the small one and $10 for the big one. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=172479930 0&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=172479569 6&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1 From bens Sun Apr 21 21:34:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3M1YAo03150 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 21:34:10 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 21:34:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200204220134.g3M1Y9g03146@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Coiler Rear Shock Mounts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason wrote: >Also, regarding rear shock mounts, when we installed >our OMEs back in August we realized the mount was >almost totally stripped. We were able to just barely put >the locknut back on to secure the shock, and then went >until two weeks ago driving around like that. Very bad >idea. We ordered a new mount (very $$). I'm wondering if it may be possible to drill out a stripped rear shock mount and use a washer and a cotter pin just like Land Rover did for over 20 years... Does anyone know why Land Rover switched from a washer and cotter pin to a washer and locknut on the coiler rear shock mounts in the 90's? Kevin Kelly Who has never had any problems with the washer and cotter pin holding on my rear shocks... From bens Sun Apr 21 21:39:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3M1d0I03194 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 21:39:00 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 21:38:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200204220138.g3M1cx803190@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "George R. Simmons" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Directions to Mendo Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Would someone please publish the directions to get to Mendo from I-5. George in Auburn Mendo_Recce digest: wrote: > > Mendo_Recce digest: Sunday, April 21 2002 Volume 02 : Number 722 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 19:35:02 -0400 > From: Keith Shukait > Subject: Land Rover Expectations > [ 601 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Apr 21 21:56:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3M1uuP03351 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 21:56:56 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 21:56:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200204220156.g3M1uu603347@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Directions to Mendo Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200204220138.g3M1cx803190@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > Would someone please publish the directions to get to Mendo from I-5. http://www.fourfold.org/mendo_recce/cedar_camp.html Ben From bens Sun Apr 21 22:22:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3M2MmO03507 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 22:22:48 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 22:22:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200204220222.g3M2Mm403503@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Directions to Mendo Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm not even going to try - I keep making the wrong turn on the way up, and ending up passing the remains of a wrecked cement truck! I still plan on being there - though not for long: got shanghied(sp) into moving either a project Maserati Ghibli - or a project Vignale Spyder from Rhonert Park to Arcadia this Thursday/Friday, (the latest car fix for a friend of mine...I tried to talk him out of them) and am supposed to be moving a '66 International Travelall from Tuscon soon after! Will probably make my usual cameo appearance - this time in the Rangie. George, if'n 'ya still got those diesel valve cover gaskets, bring 'em along: if I don't show, you can always hand them to Zack & let me know (will send money if this happens). ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Sun Apr 21 23:04:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3M34Dc03716 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 23:04:13 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 23:04:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200204220304.g3M34DF03712@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Disco II Kalahari/Halon Fire Extinguishers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kevin, Petra and I would like to bid on/buy the Halon Fire Extinguisher... We'll bid on ebay. We've decided to go with a dual fire extinguisher system, a first line halon to avoid ruining the engine, and if that doesn't do the trick, out comes the dry chemical extinguisher to finish the job. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Mon Apr 22 00:14:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3M4EbG04499 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 00:14:37 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 00:14:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200204220414.g3M4Ebe04495@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Davis! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hiya, I knew that sooner and not later, I would see a new Mini in town. Today was the day. I spotted an Indi Blue mini, white top, white mirrors and white wheels, pulling out of the Safeway parking lot and recognized the driver. I spent 30 minutes riding through a little area called Village homes (where all the streets are named after Tolkien stuff) and found the guy (waxing the Mini). Little did I know that he has a Lotus 7? in the garage under a cover, and the new mini next to it. Old Mini (BRG) in the drive next to a Honda. Had a good talk and am feeling like I want to spend the money for a toy. Don't have a good feeling on the navigation system or the stereo, but the Mini Cooper S in Electric blue with white top, white mirrors, and white wheels is a good start. How do folks feel about the integrated GPS, map, Navigation systems that are available in new cars? cheers, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Mon Apr 22 01:04:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3M54F905343 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 01:04:15 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 01:04:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200204220504.g3M54F305339@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Directions to Mendo Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org They are also available on the club website, www.norcalrover.org, under the events section. The club website will be re-launched with a heavily updated layout very shortly as well! Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Mon Apr 22 01:42:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3M5gAH05493 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 01:42:10 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 01:42:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200204220542.g3M5gA005489@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Coiler Rear Shock Mounts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kevin, You're actually using the washer???? I thought I was the only one using a cotter pin! Hehe. No problems in over 4 years of doing it and over 100,000 miles of harsh use on the 90 RR. I had the opprotunity to change out the rear mounts on the 145, but figured the nut wouldn't be that bad. Maybe I should reconsider with all the horror stories! Later, Michael _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Mon Apr 22 02:22:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3M6Mj305648 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 02:22:45 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 02:22:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200204220622.g3M6Mje05644@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Davis! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have both relatively recent aftermarket Nav setup & an OME Nav setup. Our take on is: The after market systems of the current time are always just a tad better than the OME system in high end auto mfg'ers... The reasoning is two fold: We've seen both in action & the aftermarket ones do it for a living, where as the auto Mfg'ers don't The differences aren't huge, but for instance my Alpine setup runs the whole country on one DVD, my wifes X5 uses CD's and has four of em ( one four each geographic quadrant ).... The DVD's are faster. My Alpines UI is a bit better.... Things may have changed in the last year or so??? and these are only two vendors sampling worth. The benefits of OME stuff is its perfect integration..... The Alpine in the truck has a flip out display built into the stereo head unit and the directional audio is integrated into the sterio.... however the Porsches Wouldn't fit that way with the dash layout, it has the same DVD data player but the head unit is not integrated with the display. It is removable ( better for a soft top!! ) but the audio is not integrated with the stereo ( at the moment ) and plays through an itty bitty speaker in the TFT display, which isn't load enough when cruising with the top down. YMMV TomW > > Hiya, > > I knew that sooner and not later, I would see a new Mini in town. > > How do folks feel about the integrated GPS, map, Navigation systems > that are available in new cars? > > cheers, [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Apr 22 10:14:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3MEEbj09176 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:14:37 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:14:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200204221414.g3MEEbF09172@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: Kermit for sale, again Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 28 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" The buyer of Kermit, in Chicago, is selling her. (eBay) It's kinda weird to see "my" old rig being sold. Anyone else experience = a pang of longing for a previously owned vehicle? Anyway, pics are available at http://debian.yerpso.net/~cmarq/lr/ Have a good week, Daniel From bens Mon Apr 22 10:34:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3MEYSt09271 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:34:28 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:34:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200204221434.g3MEYRU09267@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Disco II Kalahari/Halon Fire Extinguishers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....a first line halon..." An electrical disconnect switch will help your chances with Halon. Turn off the juice at the first sign of fire and remove one potential re-ignition source. Even if the fire didn't originate as an electrical one, insulation can melt quickly and end up with electricals contributing secondarilly. And just like the first aid stuff, the tools are no good if you aren't trained/practiced in their use. Hold some fire drills of the non-oriental variety in real world conditions to get potential passengers and "crew" in the habit of doing what's required (mostly getting out and away) without a lot of shouting. Having someone start the clock when you "notice" the problem will also let you know if your extinguisher storage methods meet the security/accessibility trade off need. -Dave G. From bens Mon Apr 22 10:41:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3MEfRC09335 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:41:27 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:41:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200204221441.g3MEfRB09331@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Plastic gas tank repair Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....I'd like to at least fix it good enough to get it to a custom fab shop to have a new tank made......." For that I'd cut a metal patch from a beer can and hold it in place with some two-part epoxy. Rough the tank up good with 80-grit and clean it with brake cleaner before applying the epoxy. I've used plain old two-part epoxy on steel tanks often enough. Gas doesn't seem to touch it. That said, it's still an emergency measure, and keep minimal gas in the tank for the drive to the shop. Or better yet, pull the tank and drive it to the shop in one of your stable of navigational-aid-equipped vehicles. :^) -Dave G. From bens Mon Apr 22 11:44:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3MFitq09680 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:44:55 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:44:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200204221544.g3MFitD09676@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter M Hope" To: Subject: Halon Fire Extinguishers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Not sure if this has been discussed before but.... Halon only works in an enclosed space. Just got done with the Army Safety Managers Course and one of the films we watched was on vehicle fires. In one case an armoured vehicle was on fire and the crewman pulled the halon lever. Fire didn't go out. The rear crew hatch was open. Guess halon replaces the O2 needed by the fire. Don't know if this is relevant to an automobile or if there is some different set up for autos, but it was something I never knew before. Pete From bens Mon Apr 22 11:51:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3MFpgW09753 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:51:42 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:51:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200204221551.g3MFpf909749@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Rob's carb Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rob, Just saw your post re Rochester probs-- I have a Rochester that I remove from Watusi many moons ago- I was working ok. Pity is I drove past Davis twice on Saturday! Let me know. From bens Mon Apr 22 12:14:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3MGEJs10034 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:14:19 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:14:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200204221614.g3MGEIt10030@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Halon Fire Extinguishers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...Halon only works in an enclosed space....." You're right, Pete. Dry chem is the way to go for vehicles, unless the vehicle fire has humans involved. Halon may help a human escape, where dousing him with dry chem will not be good. Dry chem works by depriving oxygen from the surface it lands on. This INCLUDES the inner surfaces of human lungs. I can tell you from BAD experience that it REALLY works. A person doused in Halon can expel it from his lungs, where the dry chem sticks and keeps on working. The same reasons why I don't want it in my lungs (again) are why I DO want it on a fire I'm trying to extinguish. Might get lucky with Halon, shooting it into the wheel wells, but between you and me, if there's fire and gasoline in proximity, I'm not looking to get lucky. I want the surest thing I can get my hands on. For me, that's dry chem in a vehicle fire. But to each his own. And with fire season upon us already, I'm also looking for a water unit in the event of spotting a road side brush fire. I keep a 3 gal. garden sprayer in the truck now, but would like to have something a bit more durable with a little more range. -Dave G. From bens Mon Apr 22 12:33:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3MGXEa10161 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:33:14 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:33:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200204221633.g3MGXEV10157@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Halon Fire Extinguishers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It has been, yes, in great detail, which is why I'm going with two sources - Halon and a dry chemical. I am working to create a system in which the Halon will be used, if possible, in engine compartment with as little wind/air flow as possible to insure it's proper functioning. If it fails as it might/could, out comes the dry chemical. >Halon only works in an enclosed space. Just got done with the Army Safety >Managers Course and one of the films we watched was on vehicle fires. In >one case an armoured vehicle was on fire and the crewman pulled the halon >lever. Fire didn't go out. The rear crew hatch was open. Guess halon >replaces the O2 needed by the fire. > >Don't know if this is relevant to an automobile or if there is some >different set up for autos, but it was something I never knew before. > [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Mon Apr 22 12:38:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3MGcTp10192 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:38:29 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:38:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200204221638.g3MGcTe10188@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Disco II Kalahari/Halon Fire Extinguishers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >the juice at the first sign of fire and remove one potential re-ignition >source. Even if the fire didn't originate as an electrical one, insulation >can melt quickly and end up with electricals contributing secondarilly. > Our 110 has a disconncent built into the system at the base of the drives seat. Very nice and handy too. >trained/practiced in their use. Hold some fire drills of the non-oriental >variety in real world conditions to get potential passengers and "crew" in >the habit of doing what's required (mostly getting out and away) without a >lot of shouting. Having someone start the clock when you "notice" the >problem will also let you know if your extinguisher storage methods meet the >security/accessibility trade off need. > I know that Keith is arranging a fire safety demo and Q&A for a future club meeting, and I'm thinking of getting Casey to do something similar but for first responder tpe medical stuff, since he was an EMT and knows the stuff. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Mon Apr 22 12:47:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3MGlj710251 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:47:45 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:47:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200204221647.g3MGli310247@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter M Hope" To: Subject: Re: Halon Fire Extinguishers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Dry chem works by depriving > oxygen from the surface it lands on. This INCLUDES the inner surfaces of > human lungs. I can tell you from BAD experience that it REALLY works. A > person doused in Halon can expel it from his lungs, where the dry chem > sticks and keeps on working. The older model Bradley had the halon handle in a bad location inside the crew compartment. Have heard stories from people that got web gear stuck on the handle and activated the system. They say it wasn't a very fun experiance either, but they all survived it without problem. Pete From bens Mon Apr 22 15:20:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3MJKb711173 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:20:37 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:20:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200204221920.g3MJKa411169@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Disco II Kalahari/Halon Fire Extinguishers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Monday, April 22, 2002, at 09:38 AM, Jason Pipes wrote: > Our 110 has a disconncent built into the system at the base of the > drives > seat. Very nice and handy too. > Make sure that it still works! Mine worked a few months ago, but when I tried to use it the other day, I discovered it no longer disconnects! Wiring is still correct, looks like the switch has internally broken (at least it did so in the "closed" state!). Wonder how much Land Rover will rape me for the part? If thing will fit, I might just go buy a nice big one at West Marine. In my case, the disconnect switch is wired in the ground line. I've been told that it's much better to put it in the positive line? When I asked why, I could never get a solid reason. The closest answer was "wandering ground" which I interpreted as the tendency to have most metal surfaces in the truck be ground. Seems that if you make sure that the only ground wire coming off the battery goes to the switch and then it can go wherever from the other side of the switch you would be ok. Anyone know of a reason otherwise? Shannon From bens Mon Apr 22 16:13:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3MKDvC11560 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:13:57 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:13:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200204222013.g3MKDv311556@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Rob's carb Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 14 lines filtered. ] First I am going to check all my fuel lines. I am not 100% convinced it is the Carb. Plus we may just bring the Rangie to Mendo and leave Regent home... I may ask you to bring it to mendo though? -Rob From bens Mon Apr 22 16:17:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3MKH8U11593 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:17:08 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:17:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200204222017.g3MKH8c11589@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: was Kalahari/Extinguishers - now cut-off switch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I use it about once a week, often as a DIY anti-theft device. With the switch turned off, the car ain't going no where! I did notice something strange though, the cutt-off switch used to literally cut off everything in the system, lights, clock, starter, everything. It was all totally dead when the cut off switch was used. But now the lights still come on, the clock still works and the starter clicks, clicks, clicks, although the car will not start with it in use. This is something I'm trying to figure out now. >Make sure that it still works! Mine worked a few months ago, but when I >tried to use it the other day, I discovered it no longer disconnects! >Wiring is still correct, looks like the switch has internally broken (at >least it did so in the "closed" state!). > >Wonder how much Land Rover will rape me for the part? If thing will fit, >I might just go buy a nice big one at West Marine. > >In my case, the disconnect switch is wired in the ground line. I've been [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Mon Apr 22 16:29:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3MKTY011696 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:29:34 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:29:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200204222029.g3MKTYF11692@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Coiler Rear Shock Mounts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I don't see why that would not be an option, although we obviously didn't think to try it. I still have the part to experiment on... Wouldn't the shock be held in place a lot more tightly and securely with a lock nut instead of with a cotter pin and washer though? >I'm wondering if it may be possible to drill out a stripped >rear shock mount and use a washer and a cotter pin just like >Land Rover did for over 20 years... Does anyone know why >Land Rover switched from a washer and cotter pin to a washer >and locknut on the coiler rear shock mounts in the 90's? Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Mon Apr 22 16:48:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3MKmiw11857 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:48:44 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:48:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200204222048.g3MKmie11853@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: now cut-off switch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...the cutt-off switch used to literally cut off everything in the system,..." Place a 3-amp fuse across the terminals of the switch. That way your clock, radio presets, etc. are maintained, but any effort to start the truck (or if a dead short existed in wiring) the fuse is quietly blown and everything shuts down. Separate thought needs to be given if you have an alarm system that you'd like to keep power to as they can draw some current when the alarm is sounding, and you wouldn't want the alarm going off to cut it's own power source! -Dave G. From bens Mon Apr 22 17:08:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3ML8W411979 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 17:08:32 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 17:08:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200204222108.g3ML8Wj11975@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: was Kalahari/Extinguishers - now cut-off switch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Jason Pipes wrote: > > > I use it about once a week, often as a DIY anti-theft > device. With the > switch turned off, the car ain't going no where! I did > notice something > strange though, the cutt-off switch used to literally cut > off everything in > the system, lights, clock, starter, everything. It was [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Joe Lucas! ;-)Sounds like typical for any old british car... Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From bens Mon Apr 22 17:24:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3MLOmQ12135 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 17:24:48 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 17:24:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200204222124.g3MLOm212131@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: was Kalahari/Extinguishers - now cut-off switch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Monday, April 22, 2002, at 01:17 PM, Jason Pipes wrote: > I use it about once a week, often as a DIY anti-theft device. With the > switch turned off, the car ain't going no where! I did notice something > strange though, the cutt-off switch used to literally cut off > everything in > the system, lights, clock, starter, everything. It was all totally dead > when > the cut off switch was used. But now the lights still come on, the clock > still works and the starter clicks, clicks, clicks, although the car > will [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] That sounds like your switch isn't entirely cutting off - more likely partially cutting off but leaving a high resistance connection. Fine for clocks, lights, etc, but not so happy when your starter motor wants 200amps... Mine used to be totally dead, but now it all works (even starting). If you have a multimeter, try measuring the resistance across the switch when it's turned off. Shannon From bens Mon Apr 22 17:50:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3MLoE812322 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 17:50:14 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 17:50:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200204222150.g3MLoEG12318@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: was Kalahari/Extinguishers - now cut-off switch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...try measuring the resistance across the switch when it's turned off...." You'll need to have all the wires disconnected from the switch to get a good reading. -Dave G. From bens Mon Apr 22 18:17:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3MMHsL12516 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:17:54 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:17:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200204222217.g3MMHrd12512@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: ride to mendo avail Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Late Notice! Since there's a chance my girlfriend won't attend Mendo VIII, I'm extending an invite for 1-3 persons to come along in my 109 Station Wagon. I'll have cookware so you'll just need your tent and personal gear. I'd like to leave Friday AM from the Bay Area. The truck's pretty well dialed in and has new tires so the offroading should be good. Here's further info: http://www.norcalrover.org/mnar_042702.html JoeMulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From bens Mon Apr 22 18:41:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3MMft412627 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:41:55 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:41:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200204222241.g3MMftV12623@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: For Sale: Fabritron jointed trailing arms for D90 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello Folks: I just moved and rather than putting a bunch of stuff in my basement, I want to get rid of it. I have two Rover-related items... 1) Fabritron jointed trailing arms for a D90. They are chromoly and incredibly well built. They should allow a stock or OME suspension to articulate an additional few inches, but they aren't designed for use on any other type of suspension. I can field questions off-list about this but basically with other suspension setups over-articulation can occur causing the driveline to bind and the shocks to become structural components. New, in the box. 2) Draw-tite adjustable tow bar (heavy duty). If you want to flat tow your truck this is a pretty sweet setup. It can be removed from the vehicle by merely pulling two pins. New, in the box. If you're interested, make me an offer off-list. -->Jeff From bens Mon Apr 22 20:29:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3N0TIl13141 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 20:29:18 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 20:29:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200204230029.g3N0TIN13137@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: regrets Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 29 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" Hi you lucky folks, I will be with Nate (my 15 year old) on a bus going to LA for his school = choir's competition on Friday, then Magic Mountain on Sat, and a return = trip on Sunday.=20 I'm delighted to be able to chaperone, and be with him, and sad to miss = another year at Mendo. Play well.. Cheers, Daniel From bens Mon Apr 22 20:42:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3N0gRe13269 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 20:42:27 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 20:42:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200204230042.g3N0gRf13265@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Mendocino Not-A-Rallye Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Greetings! Any caravans leaving out of the East Bay / Berkeley area? Also, my email crashed and was wondering if someone had decent directions they could forward me off-list. ;o) Thanks so much! Brian ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.roverme.org Land Rover Community, Links and Email Services From bens Mon Apr 22 21:11:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3N1B7l13534 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:11:07 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:11:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200204230111.g3N1B6U13530@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendocino Not-A-Rallye Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Brian, depending on when you are leaving?? I have not set a time, but would like to hook up with others for this. I was just gonna see who was heading up from teh south-bay. I am not sure when myself as my scheduel is wide open and I can leave whenever I want... TeriAnn, Nick, Tom, Sterling, Fil, Armando, ald all teh rest in south/east bay areas? I'm open to anytime from friday morning to teh afternoon. I had been planning on heading up 101, but suddenly drew a blank on the way there from 101 myself too. oops! ;-) Paul --- Brian Horner wrote: > > Greetings! > > Any caravans leaving out of the East Bay / Berkeley area? > > Also, my email crashed and was wondering if someone had > decent > directions they could forward me off-list. ;o) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From bens Mon Apr 22 21:22:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3N1MML13633 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:22:22 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:22:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200204230122.g3N1MLW13629@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Mendocino Not-A-Rallye Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I can't make it this year most likely. TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Archibald" To: Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 6:11 PM Subject: Re: Mendocino Not-A-Rallye > > Brian, depending on when you are leaving?? > > I have not set a time, but would like to hook up with > others for this. I was just gonna see who was heading up > from teh south-bay. I am not sure when myself as my > scheduel is wide open and I can leave whenever I want... > TeriAnn, Nick, Tom, Sterling, Fil, Armando, ald all teh > rest in south/east bay areas? I'm open to anytime from [ 22 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Apr 22 21:38:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3N1cjg13778 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:38:45 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:38:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200204230138.g3N1ciY13774@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: regrets Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >Hi you lucky folks, >I will be with Nate (my 15 year old) on a bus going to LA for his school = >choir's competition on Friday, then Magic Mountain on Sat, and a return = >trip on Sunday.=20 > >I'm delighted to be able to chaperone, and be with him, and sad to miss = >another year at Mendo. > You probably already know that B.P. is about 1/2 mile from Magic Mountain.. Closed on Sat though... sometimes you just can't win. RW -- "Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail. Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying,'Dude, that was awesome!" From bens Mon Apr 22 21:54:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3N1sZh13871 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:54:35 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:54:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200204230154.g3N1sZs13867@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Miles O'Leary Mulcare M.O.M." To: Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #723 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John: I would be interested in knowing too. Forward the information you hear. MILES On 4/22/02 6:38 PM, "Mendo_Recce digest:" wrote: > How do folks feel about the integrated GPS, map, Navigation systems > that are available in new cars? > > cheers, > > > John F. Hess, Davis California From bens Mon Apr 22 22:20:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3N2Kc214071 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:20:38 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:20:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200204230220.g3N2Kcs14067@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendocino Not-A-Rallye Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I believe that Blair leads a great convoy every year from the Bay Area up through Bear Valley, leaving sometime earlier on Friday I believe. Blair? Petra and I plan to join this convoy, and I believe the Dow clan is going that route as well. I bet if we planned it right we could get as many of the Bay Area folks into this convoy as possible. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Mon Apr 22 23:44:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3N3icQ14875 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:44:38 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:44:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200204230344.g3N3ibX14871@minbar.fourfold.org> From: jarrodwyrick@mac.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendocino Not-A-Rallye Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If my wife and I go on mendo trip this year, we will have a 11 month baby with us. Is this appropriate? I have never been on this trip, so I do not know the conditions. In addition, I do not plan on going off road with him in the rover. However, it looks like the road to the camp ground is gravel. Is the road rough? I was planing to come up early Saturday leaving Vacaville around 9am, so if anyone is coming through perhaps we could convoy. Thanks for the information, Jarrod 00' DSII On Monday, April 22, 2002, at 07:20 PM, Jason Pipes wrote: > > I believe that Blair leads a great convoy every year from the Bay Area > up > through Bear Valley, leaving sometime earlier on Friday I believe. > Blair? > > Petra and I plan to join this convoy, and I believe the Dow clan is > going > that route as well. I bet if we planned it right we could get as many [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Apr 22 23:53:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3N3rHu14936 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:53:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:53:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200204230353.g3N3rGE14932@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Halon Fire Extinguishers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Peter Hope wrote: >Halon only works in an enclosed space. Just got done >with the Army Safety Managers Course and one of the >films we watched was on vehicle fires. In one case an >armored vehicle was on fire and the crewman pulled >the halon lever. Fire didn't go out. I'm not an expert but the one and only time I used a Halon fire extinguisher was when I was in college and I saw a lady on the side of the road standing next to a VW Bug with the engine cover open and flames coming out. The Halon fire extinguisher worked like magic and made the flames disappear. The fire did start up a couple more times but a couple quick blasts kept it out until the fire department arrived. The lady offered to pay for a new fire extinguisher but I told her not to worry about it and a couple days later the school paper printed a letter from the lady who wanted to thank some college students who were good samaritans and pulled over to put out her car fire. Kevin Kelly P.S. To Jason, I wish I knew you wanted the fire extinguisher since now that it is on eBay it will go to the highest bidder... P.P.S. To Dave, I was impressed that everyone in the convoy to Mendo a couple years ago had their fire extinguisher out quickly after Matt rolled his 88... From bens Tue Apr 23 00:18:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3N4I4e16039 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 00:18:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 00:18:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200204230418.g3N4I4b16035@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Mendo Convoy Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Brian Horner wrote: >Any caravans leaving out of the East Bay / Berkeley area? Anyone interested in the traditional meeting around noon at the Black Oak restaurant in Vacaville at the intersection of 80 and 505? I was planning to come up late Friday night this year, but it looks like I'll be able to make it to the Back Oak by noon. Kevin Kelly http://www.vacavillenews.com/yp/busview.cfm?busoid=7414 From bens Tue Apr 23 00:23:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3N4NWE16070 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 00:23:32 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 00:23:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200204230423.g3N4NW616066@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: Mendocino Not-A-Rallye Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Paul, > I had been planning on heading up 101, but suddenly drew a > blank on the way there from 101 myself too. oops! ;-) Do you want directions? There are many routes you can take from 101. I expect that I'll most likely come up Saturday morning because I assume that Bennett (and maybe Deven) will come with me and Bennett will have to work Friday. Granny From bens Tue Apr 23 02:03:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3N63PD16815 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 02:03:25 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 02:03:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200204230603.g3N63PP16811@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeremy Bartlett To: Mendo List Subject: Mendo Campfire Permits Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just a thought that if you get a chance folks should try to pick up a fire permit from the Ranger Station in Stonyford for campfires at Cedar Camp. Not everyone needs one but it would be nice to have a few around the camp. The rangers are likely to be relatively concerned about fire given last years experience at Fouts. Althought the event is not an organized one they do know a group of land rovers will be there and will almost certainly be swinging by (they appreciate some advance notice of large groups) FWIW the fine for an unattended campfire is in the hundreds $$ so be smart :) Jeremy P.S. I'll be bringing a load of household wood for a campfire but no decent size logs From bens Tue Apr 23 06:42:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3NAgDa19245 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 06:42:13 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 06:42:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200204231042.g3NAgDt19241@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Heavily updated NCRC website Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've just finished a round of significant updates to the club website. Please take a look and let me know what you think... There are still some pieces that need to be taken care of (the online forum needs to be finished, as does the past events section, and additional pics need to be added) but it's largely finished. The biggest changes are to the nav which should be easier to follow, some of the layout, the main page (index.html) which now sports a randomly displaying club image, a heavily updated About section which now includes the history of the formation of NCRC, a What's New section to allow you to keep track of what's be recently added to the site, and most importantly, a very powerful new club calendar which makes it very easy to check out the events for any given month. The calendar is up and running but all events after May 8th will be added very shortly to fill in the rest of the year. I'd love to hear feedback on the new aspects of the site! Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Apr 23 06:45:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3NAjcY19334 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 06:45:38 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 06:45:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200204231045.g3NAjc719330@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: club website address.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry, forgot to mention the url of the club website in my last posting! If you don't already know it, it's: www.norcalrover.org Thanks! Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Apr 23 10:05:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3NE5lI20582 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:05:47 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:05:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200204231405.g3NE5l820578@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mendocino Not-A-Rallye Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 31 lines filtered. ] Jarrod, yes getting to camp is just a graded road. Cynthia, Crystal(5 months) and I will be there. We will do a minimal amount of offroading. But mostly will be visiting and trying out the new trailer. -Rob FYi were heading up Friday. From bens Tue Apr 23 15:31:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3NJV0j23778 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:31:00 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:31:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200204231931.g3NJV0g23774@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Alternate route to Cedar Camp Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This is a route that I've used over the years. It is a bit slower-- "more leisurely" describes it better. A fair portion of it is gravel or narrow asphalt secondary road. If you have either the AAA "North Bay Counties" (out of print) or the AAA "Bay and Mountain Section" (currently available) maps, it is easy to follow along. The former map has a tad more detail. Cedar Camp is actually a little red triangle on both maps. These directions assume approach from the Bay Area, but coming from the East you could take Hwy 16 west from Woodland. 1. I-80 to I-505 North (The "Black Oak" is at this junction). 2. Exit west on Hwy 16. Take that northwest through the Capay Valley towns of Esparto, Guinda, Rumsey, etc. 3. Top off your tanks at the Cache Creek Casino which will be on your right between Esparto and Guinda (critical! only other gas is Stonyford, which is iffy and not directly on this route). Open 24 hrs I believe. 4. At the Hwy 16/20 junction, turn left on Hwy 20 for all of about 100yds. 5. Immediately turn right to pick up the beginning of Bear Valley Road (gravel). 6. Follow Bear Valley Road to the hamlet of Leesville (don't blink). 7. Bear left there onto Leesville-Lodoga Road (look for abandoned cement mixer drum). 8. At Lodoga, turn left onto Lodoga-Stonyford Road. 9. After about 2-3 miles, as L-S Rd begins to veer right, look for Goat Mtn Road on your left. (Ben's directions on the Web http://www.fourfold.org/mendo_recce/cedar_camp.htmlcover it much better from here). 10.Left on Goat Mtn Rd and follow it as it winds (tight turns) and climbs (steep!) to a junction with the M5 (probably the only major intersection if I remember correctly). 11.Turn right on the M5, and after about 2-3 (maybe more?) miles look for Cedar Camp on your left. If you get to a sharp right hand bend in the road concurrent with a creek crossing, you've gone about 1/2 mile too far. Enjoy the drive up either way! From bens Tue Apr 23 15:44:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3NJiq023880 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:44:52 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:44:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200204231944.g3NJipP23876@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Series side steps Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have a pair of fold-up side steps removed from my 109. I would happily trade them for the appropriate malt/hop beverage or other consideration at Cedar Camp this weekend. They are in good shape, though one has a bent bracket (can be straightened) due to an 'insufficient break-over angle' incident on Trail 3 a couple years ago. If someone wants the steps let me know and I'll bring them up to Mendo with me. Cheers. From bens Tue Apr 23 16:31:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3NKVR024188 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:31:27 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:31:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200204232031.g3NKVRo24184@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Matt Wilson To: "Mendo_Recce (E-mail)" Subject: Joe lucas not a Ralley Garage sale/give away Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have some series parts left over from various projects, if any one speaks up I will deliver to Cedar camp. Like Blair said the appropriate Beverage would be appreciated. 1 set of front bumper over riders (Military?) scratched black paint over galvanize coating (trail worn but serviceable) qty 2 recovery hooks from top of series bumper plastic fan shroud series 3 radiator 1 series differential (came with truck condition unknown) 1 series starter handle. Matt Wilson From bens Tue Apr 23 16:40:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3NKemj24251 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:40:48 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:40:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200204232040.g3NKemu24247@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Joe lucas not a Ralley Garage sale/give away Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Matt, I think I could use these: > qty 2 recovery hooks from top of series bumper And I too have some odds and ends I can bring to Mendo, such as a K&N air filter charger and cleaner kit and a 1996 Discovery handbook and drivers manual. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Apr 23 17:34:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3NLY9o24580 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:34:09 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:34:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200204232134.g3NLY8X24576@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Matt Wilson To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Joe lucas not a Ralley Garage sale/give away Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, Paul is taking the bumper stuff recovery hooks and starter handle. that leaves the fan shroud and the diff... Sorry Jason, he was quicker on the email. I am curios about why you're getting rid of the K&N stuff, don't you have a K&N on the 110? If not why? I'm thinking about getting one for the RR Matt W -----Original Message----- From: Matt Wilson [mailto:Matt.Wilson@veeco.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 1:31 PM To: Mendo_Recce (E-mail) Subject: Joe lucas not a Ralley Garage sale/give away I have some series parts left over from various projects, if any one speaks up I will deliver to Cedar camp. Like Blair said the appropriate Beverage would be appreciated. 1 set of front bumper over riders (Military?) scratched black paint over galvanize coating (trail worn but serviceable) qty 2 recovery hooks from top of series bumper plastic fan shroud series 3 radiator 1 series differential (came with truck condition unknown) 1 series starter handle. Matt Wilson From bens Tue Apr 23 17:43:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3NLhop24638 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:43:50 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:43:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200204232143.g3NLhoD24634@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Joe lucas not a Ralley Garage sale/give away Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Damn that Paul! I've got some stuff for him as well!! As for the cleaner kit, I don't have a K&N in the 110 as I'm wary of using a filter with less surface area to protect against dust and dirt in my engine, regardless of the special bath solution used. I've heard of people that have used K&N filters and ruined their engines as a result. I'll stick with the standard air filter for offroad use. jpipes >Well, Paul is taking the bumper stuff recovery hooks and starter handle. >that leaves the fan shroud and the diff... > >Sorry Jason, he was quicker on the email. I am curios about why you're >getting rid of the K&N stuff, don't you have a K&N on the 110? If not why? >I'm thinking about getting one for the RR > >Matt W > [ 27 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Apr 23 18:04:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3NM4Yq24766 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:04:34 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:04:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200204232204.g3NM4YK24762@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Joe lucas not a Ralley Garage sale/give away Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Jason Pipes wrote: > > > Damn that Paul! I've got some stuff for him as well!! ;-) just quick fingers? ;-) must be a perk of being unemployed? Re teh K & N filters......I have been using them for twenty years w/o any problems in everything from mg's to dirt-bikes...and never a problem associated with it...when in dusty situations you are supposed to place a pre-filter foam sock over the k&n and than all is fine....and the real trick is to pay close attention to the filter itself, and both sides of the airbox to determine if all is working correctly......of course I never worried about longevity in any of these as I always used engine wear as an excuse to start doing modifications. hehehehehehe! I am thinking of making an airflow re-design for the disco soon that will include a completely new fabbed aluminum airbox which i will be looking for diferently shaped smaller filters and seperate chanbers, but having the snorkle breathing at the roof-line makes the biggest difference. Elgie is sporting a manky k&n on top of the weber dgv at the moment, which is NOT what I'd suggest for disty roads as the housing is trashed, but htat is another story....hopefully remedied before friday....not time to fab up something else...so...maybe with sillycone ;-) teh truth about K&N's is they are for better flow, not long-term protection. for that you should use a cyclone-type filter as they use on desert racers. Paul > > As for the cleaner kit, I don't have a K&N in the 110 as > I'm wary of using a > filter with less surface area to protect against dust and > dirt in my engine, > regardless of the special bath solution used. I've heard > of people that have > used K&N filters and ruined their engines as a result. > I'll stick with the [ 26 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From bens Tue Apr 23 18:09:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3NM9we24795 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:09:58 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:09:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200204232209.g3NM9w624791@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: air filters Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....I'll stick with the standard air filter for offroad use....." And better yet, don't put in a shiny new filter when you anticipate dusty conditions. All air filters (paper, foam, or cotton) filter better when they're dirty. And since the top-end restriction isn't a concern when off-roading, you're better off all around using a dirty filter when you anticipate seeing a lot of dust. -Dave G. From bens Tue Apr 23 18:38:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3NMcH424947 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:38:17 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:38:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200204232238.g3NMcGU24943@minbar.fourfold.org> From: FHY To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series side steps Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Blair, I am interested if no else has already taken them. But since I won't make Mendo, I'll have to wait for an Emeryville lunch to make the payoff. Frank ------------------------------------ Blair Peterson wrote: >I have a pair of fold-up side steps removed from my 109. I would happily trade them for the appropriate malt/hop beverage or other consideration at Cedar Camp this weekend. They are in good shape, though one has a bent bracket (can be straightened) due to an 'insufficient break-over angle' incident on Trail 3 a couple years ago. If someone wants the steps let me know and I'll bring them up to Mendo with me. > >Cheers. > From bens Tue Apr 23 18:44:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3NMi9h24988 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:44:09 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:44:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200204232244.g3NMi8r24984@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Eric Wilcox To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Fwd: the rib drum Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello all Mendo attendees: Please see Blair's self-explanatory suggestion below. This is happening due to the fact that the ribs seem to cook better at sea level (better oxygen flow) and also due to my co-pilot (my 3.75 year old son, Kees - so I am striving to minimize the brain damage). Rest assured that the final product will be better than last year. Please, whatever you do, don't panic. Eric Wilcox Jeyry the 110 > >From: "Blair Peterson" >To: "Eric Wilcox (E-mail)" > >ya know, maybe you better manage expectations and explain on mendo that you are doing the ribs in the drum fri morn for on-the-fire reheat sat eve. otherwise when folks arrrive and don't see the drum in cedar camp, they might panic. > >plus, that will start the potluck discussion thread. From bens Tue Apr 23 19:13:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3NNDwa25186 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:13:58 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:13:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200204232313.g3NNDvn25182@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: the rib drum Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....Please, whatever you do, don't panic....." Do you by any chance bear a resemblance to Kevin Bacon? I have a mental picture of him at the end of Animal House, amidst the bedlam crying, "Remain calm! All is well!!!" -Dave G. From bens Tue Apr 23 19:34:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3NNYZU25369 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:34:35 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:34:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200204232334.g3NNYZM25365@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Bill Burke coming to NorCal for NCRC Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Since no one seems to have looked at the website to give me comments about the recent changes (ahem...) I'll post this here as it's important Mike gets people to sign up in enough time to secure the deposit. This was just added to the new club calendar today. Bill Burke Offroad Workshop Weekend - June 22 - 23, location in CA to be decided, likely either Hollister Hills or Cow Mt. Come learn some serious offroad driving and recovery secrets with noted Camel Trophy veteran and Rover guru Bill Burke! This two day workshop will be packed with useful information and will allow lots of time for your questions during this hands on "in the field" workshop event. In addition to driving, winching and other recovery tricks, the class will also cover common Rover field repairs as well as many other offroad driving issues. The workshop will be organized to help the beginner but will also cover info useful to the advanced offroader. This class will fill fast! The first ten people to sign up can bring their truck on the trail with Bill. We are limited to ten trucks to keep the convoy moving, but any number of people can take part in the workshop weekend. After the first ten vehicle slots participants will join the convoy as passengers. The cost per person for this weekend workshop is $195.00 paid in advance. At this time we need 13 people to sign up to cover the costs associated with hosting this special event and we also need to give Bill a deposit sometime before the 2nd week in May to insure the dates of the event. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Apr 23 22:08:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3O28ea26358 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:08:40 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:08:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200204240208.g3O28eO26354@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Bill Burke coming to NorCal for NCRC Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 51 lines filtered. ] Jason, Location makes a big difference to me. Cow mountain, I may be able to make it(i'd at least try) Hollister. No, its 4 hours... The sooner location is known the better. I think it would be great to go out with an instructor. I especially need improvement in spotting other vehicles. -Rob From bens Wed Apr 24 01:05:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3O55OO28411 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 01:05:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 01:05:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200204240505.g3O55NQ28407@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Mendocino Not-A-Rallye / package needs delivery Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org hi all, i am unable to make it to mendo this year but i have a RR Ramsey winch mounting kit that needs to get to Granny at mendo, i am asking for help/volunteers to bring this to mendo, i am located in fremont and work in redwood city so i can make the handoff within a reasonable distance from those 2 cities the kit is in a rectangular box ( 3ft long x 1 ft wide x 4 inches thick approx i have not realy measured it- from memory recall) and weigh about 20-30 lbs thanks in advance and have fun in mendo, fil and granny _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Wed Apr 24 01:06:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3O563g28431 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 01:06:03 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 01:06:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200204240506.g3O563B28427@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Misc. sightings... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Paul A. may want to go after this one: Pick Your Part - Madera: Glas 1700GT!!!!!!!! (looks like a Maserati, and was designed by Frua) Wheels, steering wheel, gauges, and emblems are gone - otherwise all there. According to a person in the know from the Rover car list, this car was a sibling to BMW's of the time. I personally had never seen one before. Also, they STILL have the '61 DKW that I spotted there a year ago. On the way back home on Hwy 99 just outside Bakersfield, I caught a glimpse of something headed northbound on a trailer: I turned my head around to find that it was non other than a 101FC!!! Anybody on the list??? In the meantime, I'll be here tomorrow installing my HD springs and OME shocks on the Rangie...may even tinker with Gillian. My schedule has changed a bit - I now may be at Mendo on Friday for a while! Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Wed Apr 24 02:16:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3O6GCQ28805 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 02:16:12 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 02:16:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200204240616.g3O6GC928799@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Bill Burke coming to NorCal for NCRC Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey listers... Not to be one to 'pimp' another man's product, but I have been out with Bill Burke several times and can wholeheartedly recommend having a training session with him. Yes, you will cover ground you've already been over before (but you all *know* you could use a refresher about right???), but you will definitely learn TONS of new stuff from him. Listen and be observant and the tuition will more than pay for itself down the road. Just don't tell him you know me..... ;) (and don't believe anything he says about me either!) Later, Michael _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Wed Apr 24 10:15:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3OEFJP31073 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:15:19 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:15:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200204241415.g3OEFIi31069@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Bill Burke coming to NorCal for NCRC Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....Since no one seems to have looked at the website to give me comments about the recent changes (ahem...)...." Its a thankless job. Keep your expectations low, and you won't be too disappointed. :^))) -Dave G. From bens Wed Apr 24 11:38:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3OFcNl31722 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:38:23 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:38:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200204241538.g3OFcNt31718@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Eric Wilcox To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Kevin Bacon Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Not really, but the ribs taste like "bacon on the bone"! Eric Wilcox Jerry the 110 >Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:13:57 -0400 >From: "Gomes, David" >Subject: RE: the rib drum > >"....Please, whatever you do, don't panic....." > >Do you by any chance bear a resemblance to Kevin Bacon? I have a mental >picture of him at the end of Animal House, amidst the bedlam crying, "Remain >calm! All is well!!!" [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] - -Dave G. From bens Wed Apr 24 12:18:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3OGIuV32039 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:18:56 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:18:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200204241618.g3OGIuN32035@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re:NCRC website Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason, Great job! I saw it before seeing your email on mendo list and I think it is more active and seems NCRC is more active.:) However, I tried the member only page but didn't know the user name and password of mine. Am I supposed to get them somewhere? Also, If I change my address, should I just go to "Contact" to update my address and phone number? Charles Phu _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Wed Apr 24 12:32:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3OGWYq32132 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:32:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:32:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200204241632.g3OGWYm32128@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendocino Not-A-Rallye / package needs delivery Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Fil, Casey lives in Redwood City and depending on how you arrange it, I bet you could drop it off with him such that he could bring it up to Mendo. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Wed Apr 24 12:33:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3OGXgX32148 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:33:42 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:33:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200204241633.g3OGXg332144@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Black Oak on Friday Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A group of us are leaving Marin after picking up our respective kids at school, so leaving later than usual. If anyone wants to join us there the meeting point is 2:45 in the BofA parking lot, Smith Ranch Rd exit on Hwy 101 (betwn San Rafael and Novato). That should put us at the Black Oak in Vacaville between 3:45 and 4:15 depending on traffic. Would be great to hook up with others there. We'll be taking the I505-Hwy16-Bear Valley Road route. For comms: CB Ch7, my cell 510-205-9064 and Eric Wilcox has Ham. Let me know if we should look out for you.. Cheers, Blair (and Spence and Glyn) in Pershing ('66 109 Reg with rebuilt carb and new dizzy ready to go!) From bens Wed Apr 24 12:45:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3OGjtr32297 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:45:55 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:45:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200204241645.g3OGjtJ32293@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Matt Wilson To: "Mendo_Recce (E-mail)" Subject: Mendo-Potluck Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well after last years attempt at a veggie platter, (My bad idea) Jason #2 and Dave are cooking up something good Falafels SP? I have never ate one but I hear it's fried, so it's got that going for it. I must admit I started to panic, when I heard the 55 gallon drum wasn't going to be attending the event. but I'm looking forward to meeting Kees, and eating ribs cooked at sea level. Side note: Jason #2 is bringing a mountain bike and will be riding the trails on Saturday, if anyone feels the need for exercise they can join him. Matt W From bens Wed Apr 24 12:58:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3OGww032472 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:58:58 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:58:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200204241658.g3OGwvt32468@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Eric Wilcox To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Ham Info (not a pork post this time) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Can someone spell out the ham freq's which will be used for mendo? There are a couple of Diablo repeaters and I can't recall which one we used last year. Also, someone had compiled the list of everyone's call signs. Could that person please post? Thanks! Eric Wilcox KE6ISN Jerry the 110 From bens Wed Apr 24 13:22:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3OHMpn00519 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:22:51 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:22:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200204241722.g3OHMoP00515@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Joshua Sosbee To: mendo_recce-digest@fourfold.org Subject: Springs and shocks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello fellow Rovers' Good luck at Mendo this year, I am sorry I can't go. I hope everyone enjoys! Now to the reason I am writing. I posted a few months ago about what type of shock and spring sets would be best for my 98 Disco. I did some investigation of my own and came up with a lot of confusion. Basically it looks like there are two really good combinations: Old Man Emu - Springs and shocks, in Med. heavy duty or Heavy duty. - 2" lift or Land Rover O.E.M. - Springs and Bilstein shocks, Heavy duty on each. - 1 3/8" lift The application is mostly highway driving but I am looking for the best ride height and suspension for moderate rock crawling and general wheeling. I am not ready to pull out all the stops on my Disco. I would like to stay within stock perameters, but want some good clearance for more then average off roading. Rovers North says the best setup for that is the LR O.E.M. with Bilstein's were as British Pacific says that the although Bilsteins are great for cars, that they aren't built tough enough for decent rock crawling and to go with the O.M.E. all the way around. Eitherway these are all about the same price range so it mostly comes down to what real world experience. What would you guys do in the same situation? I don't want to buy the wrong shocks for the wrong reason. Josh Sosbee "Drippy" 98 Disco' From bens Wed Apr 24 14:08:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3OI8a000989 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:08:36 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:08:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200204241808.g3OI8aI00985@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Springs and shocks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Josh, You'll get a dozen views on this, all perfectly valid, but let me tell you what I did with Flipper, my old 96 Disco. We had OME MD springs with OME shocks all around, it provided enough lift to make the truck ride a little higher and "look nice" without looking out of place at all (ie, too high). It provided just enough lift to help on general offroading and the like, and also meant we could upgrade to a slightly larger tire size in time as well. MD springs are great on the Disco if you don't plan to install a HD bumper, winch, sliders, etc. The ride was great, and offroad they performed flawlessly. I'd agree that the basic model Bilsteins don't seem to be as good for offroad uses. Other higher end versions may, but not the basic model. Also, this relates to a 110, but Chris Dow had Bilsteins in his truck with other brand springs and found it was a horrible setup that created a significant amount of play and wash in his steering. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Wed Apr 24 14:21:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3OILGA01104 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:21:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:21:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200204241821.g3OILFR01100@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Mendo weather... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anybody know what's Ms. Nature going to be upto this weekend at Goat Mountain??? I was all set to go out and install my HD springs and OME shocks on the Rangie, when I walked outside to find that it's raining!!!!! Oh well... Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Wed Apr 24 14:38:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3OIckx01238 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:38:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:38:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200204241838.g3OIcjT01234@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo weather... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Charles R Irvin wrote: > > Anybody know what's Ms. Nature going to be upto this > weekend at Goat > Mountain??? hadn't heard.. > I was all set to go out and install my HD springs and OME > shocks on the > Rangie, when I walked outside to find that it's > raining!!!!! raining? ya gtta be jushing. it's sunny and beautifull here in fremont! ;) uh oh! should I think of looking at finishing teh heater installation after all... Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From bens Wed Apr 24 15:34:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3OJYvg01550 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:34:57 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:34:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200204241934.g3OJYv301546@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendocino - Caravan Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Seems like no real caravans have been formed yet so let me just throw this out there. I was planning on leaving Berkeley at 1pm to beat that nasty Friday afternoon traffic. Anyone interested in caravaning could meet up at the Denny's Parking lot in Emeryville (Powell Exit) at 1pm. This is an easy stop for people coming from San Francisco and from the East / South Bay. We could then take 80 to the 505 North and check in at the Black Oak restaurant for others before heading up to Cedar Camp. Sound good to anyone? Brian (cell) 510-508-1150 Note: Denny's is located located just off the Powell Street exit in Emeryville, the first exit past the Bay Bridge on the 80. You can get driving directions from http://www.dennys.com/ - just type 94608 in to the zip-code field and then click "Search". On Monday, April 22, 2002, at 06:11 PM, Paul Archibald wrote: > > Brian, depending on when you are leaving?? > > I have not set a time, but would like to hook up with > others for this. I was just gonna see who was heading up > from teh south-bay. I am not sure when myself as my > scheduel is wide open and I can leave whenever I want... > TeriAnn, Nick, Tom, Sterling, Fil, Armando, ald all teh > rest in south/east bay areas? I'm open to anytime from [ 22 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.roverme.org Land Rover Community, Links and Email Services From bens Wed Apr 24 16:00:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3OK00k01775 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:00:00 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:59:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200204241959.g3OJxx001771@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo weather... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I am most serious: not heavily, but according to the local news, it's moving north from Orange County...donno how far north it's heading, though. Usually the local mountains keeps the weather localized from the Central Valley, but 'ya never know...could be another mud run... Charles On Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:38:45 -0400 Paul Archibald writes: > > raining? > ya gtta be jushing. it's sunny and beautifull here in > fremont! ;) > uh oh! should I think of looking at finishing teh heater > installation after all... > > Paul ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Wed Apr 24 16:50:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3OKoMJ02260 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:50:22 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:50:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200204242050.g3OKoMY02256@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cc: Matt.Wilson@veeco.com Subject: Re: Mendo-Potluck Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org There's a Pot-luck? This is my first time attending so please bare with me. Is it an open pot-luck, if so - what is needed? Beverages? Veggie food? Snack food? I make a mean margarita! Can someone fill me in? Brian On Wednesday, April 24, 2002, at 09:45 AM, Matt Wilson wrote: > > Well after last years attempt at a veggie platter, (My bad idea) > Jason #2 > and Dave are cooking up something good Falafels SP? I have never ate > one but > I hear it's fried, so it's got that going for it. > I must admit I started to panic, when I heard the 55 gallon drum wasn't > going to be attending the event. but I'm looking forward to meeting > Kees, [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.roverme.org Land Rover Community, Links and Email Services From bens Wed Apr 24 17:00:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3OL08s02329 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 17:00:08 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 17:00:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200204242100.g3OL08V02325@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Mendo weather... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rain is no excuse! get out there put those springs on :) TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles R Irvin" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 12:59 PM Subject: Re: Mendo weather... > > I am most serious: not heavily, but according to the local news, it's > moving north from Orange County...donno how far north it's heading, > though. > > Usually the local mountains keeps the weather localized from the Central > Valley, but 'ya never know...could be another mud run... > > Charles [ 19 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Apr 24 17:14:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3OLEIA02438 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 17:14:18 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 17:14:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200204242114.g3OLEHW02433@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re:Mendo Potluck Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org a little stupid question here. I know the potluck is on Saturday night. Does that mean that we should bring materials and keep them in ice box and cook right before it to make it fresh and hot? I know it doesn't matter if it's cool food. Charles Phu _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Wed Apr 24 17:19:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3OLJMA02481 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 17:19:22 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 17:19:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200204242119.g3OLJLv02477@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Mendo-if come on Satruday Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi guys, I am wondering where and how I should find you guys if I go on Saturday? What's the time frame of it for Saturday? I've got a CB so I can try to find you guys electronnically. I am not sure if I can leave on Friday due to my work, so. charles phu _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Wed Apr 24 18:21:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3OML9s02951 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:21:09 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:21:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200204242221.g3OML9U02947@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Answer a few questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org As for the pot luck. Bring what is easy for you, or what you enjoy. Cynthia and I are bringing a 7 layer dip with chips. I can't remember simplex Ham frequencies either, but I do know the Maxwell repeater works really well. ( I am sure Bruce will post simplex:) Since this is Not A Ralley there is no organization. If you show up on Sat. you will probably still find people at Cedar camp. Or alternatively there are usually enough groups that you'll find someone. I plan on being at Cedar camp, or Stonyford for lunch on Fri., So I will be listening on Ham and CB CH. 7. -Rob KG6IPO From bens Wed Apr 24 18:30:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3OMUOc03003 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:30:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:30:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200204242230.g3OMUOE02999@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendocino Not-A-Rallye / package needs delivery Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Fil, If you have not gotten anyone to pick it up yet, I should be able to bring it as long as I can strap it on top of the front bumper of Elgie. ;-) As a pick-up it's really limited for space in the back, but I ah ve carried similar things like this before. let me know, as I am probably the closest to you that si going. paul --- "Fil F." wrote: > > > hi all, > > i am unable to make it to mendo this year but i have a RR > Ramsey winch > mounting kit that needs to get to Granny at mendo, i am > asking for > help/volunteers to bring this to mendo, i am located in [ 16 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: > http://messenger.msn.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From bens Wed Apr 24 18:43:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3OMhdf03114 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:43:39 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:43:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200204242243.g3OMhdP03110@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Answer a few questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Wednesday, April 24, 2002, at 03:21 PM, Kerner, Rob wrote: > I can't remember simplex Ham frequencies either, but I do know the > Maxwell > repeater works really well. ( I am sure Bruce will post simplex:) > Anyone doing the aprs thing? I'm pretty sure I won't be able to make it, but if I do, it shall be on Saturday. APRS would make finding the group simple! Shannon KG6DES From bens Wed Apr 24 20:09:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3P091603664 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 20:09:01 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 20:09:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200204250009.g3P090903660@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: VENTURA, CA BRITISH CAR SHOW Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org FYI! JoeMulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:25:02 -0700 From: rfeibusch1@earthlink.net (Richard Feibusch) Subject: 12th ANNUAL VENTURA, CA BRITISH CAR SHOW & REGISTRATION FORM The Central Coast British Car Club Presents: The 12th Annual Ventura All-British Car Show Sunday, July 28th 2002 OVER 100 British cars will be on display at the Ventura Harbor Village, 1542 Spinnaker Drive in Ventura from 9AM to 3PM. The featured car will be the MINI. Other cars at the show will include MG, Austin-Healey,Triumph, Jaguar, Morgan, Morris, Lotus, DeLoren, Land Rover, Sunbeam and many more. Trophies will be awarded to all classes, with a President's Award and 'Best of Show' winner. Space is limited - Preregistration is $25, cutoff date is JULY 14, 2002. All late registration, and day of show entries will be $35. Reg form at the bottom of this page. 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To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendocino Not-A-Rallye / package needs delivery Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org paul, its a small flat box, your the closest to me, is joe coming, when can i swing this to you, i am available tomorrow morning from 8 am to 10 am and also the same on friday fil >From: Paul Archibald >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: Mendocino Not-A-Rallye / package needs delivery >Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:30:24 -0400 > >Fil, >If you have not gotten anyone to pick it up yet, I should >be able to bring it as long as I can strap it on top of the [ 28 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From bens Wed Apr 24 22:01:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3P21mt04272 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 22:01:48 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 22:01:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200204250201.g3P21mp04268@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendocino Not-A-Rallye / package needs delivery Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'll make it fit one way or another.... I can swing by either tonight or tomorrow morning...just let me know when is best for you. Joe isn't coming either! ;-( So far i am heading up alone after all, as no-one else from down here has spoken up. I guess teh good thing about not having a passenger, is i have more room for the gear, huh? I haven't ever take n ewlgie out on a trip, and havn't figured out packing for yet...the disco is sooo much easier as it has so much more available room...I really need to get that pick-up cab rack out of design stages and b darn thing, than I could have more room in the back for stuff....I may need to re-think the truck box s it takes up half the space. Paul 510-657-9637 cell 408-313-1289 --- "Fil F." wrote: > > paul, > > its a small flat box, your the closest to me, is joe > coming, when can i > swing this to you, i am available tomorrow morning from 8 > am to 10 am and > also the same on friday > [ 22 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From bens Wed Apr 24 23:02:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3P32C104764 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 23:02:12 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 23:02:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200204250302.g3P32Bd04760@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_Recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Electrically challenged question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have a question from an Electrically challeged person.(ME) Why does my Kenwood TMD700A radio have a fuse on the ground side also? And why would I have blown it? I am assuming it blew sometime when I was running the wires, I had to solder a splice and I assume they touched, but why would the negative blow? -Rob From bens Wed Apr 24 23:22:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3P3M3A04865 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 23:22:03 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 23:22:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200204250322.g3P3M2404861@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher H. Dow" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo Campfire Permits Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have one that I got in Januaray which is good for the whole year, but I got it down south. I thought that worked everywhere in CA? C Jeremy Bartlett wrote: >Just a thought that if you get a chance folks should try to pick up a >fire permit from the Ranger Station in Stonyford for campfires at Cedar >Camp. Not everyone needs one but it would be nice to have a few around >the camp. The rangers are likely to be relatively concerned about fire >given last years experience at Fouts. Althought the event is not an >organized one they do know a group of land rovers will be there and will >almost certainly be swinging by (they appreciate some advance notice of >large groups) >FWIW the fine for an unattended campfire is in the hundreds $$ so be [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Apr 24 23:23:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3P3Ngn04880 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 23:23:42 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 23:23:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200204250323.g3P3NgO04876@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher H. Dow" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Alternate route to Cedar Camp Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Blair Peterson wrote: >8< >3. Top off your tanks at the Cache Creek Casino which will be on your right between Esparto and Guinda (critical! only other gas is Stonyford, which is iffy and not directly on this route). Open 24 hrs I believe. >8< > Jeff and I stopped there before the last trail clearing day. It's open v. late, but not 24x7. I seem to recall the lady said 2:30 AM was closing time. C From bens Wed Apr 24 23:29:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3P3Ttd04912 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 23:29:55 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 23:29:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200204250329.g3P3Ttt04908@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher H. Dow" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo-if come on Satruday Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Charles, The best thing to do is go to Cedar Camp per the previously-posted instructions and see what's going on. The CB channel is 7. C charles chuan-chen phu wrote: >I am wondering where and how I should find you guys if I go on Saturday? >What's the time frame of it for Saturday? I've got a CB so I can try to find >you guys electronnically. > From bens Wed Apr 24 23:52:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3P3qAB05025 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 23:52:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 23:52:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200204250352.g3P3qAb05021@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Electrically challenged question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Wednesday, April 24, 2002, at 08:02 PM, Kerner, Rob wrote: > Why does my Kenwood TMD700A radio have a fuse on the ground side also? > And > why would I have blown it? > > I am assuming it blew sometime when I was running the wires, I had to > solder > a splice and I assume they touched, but why would the negative blow? > Only the ground side blew? If so, are they the same rating fuse? I wouldn't imagine the tolerances on fuses are particularly high, so it could be that the ground fuse just blew before the positive side fuse. As far as fuses on both wires, I would imagine they were just trying to be extra careful! I believe I didn't end up using their fuses as I was using a separate fuse block. (West Marine has a really nice little fuse block - has both +ve and ground rails along with holders for 8 (I think fuses - with they were ATC though!). Makes wiring all the little annoying bits a lot easier! Shannon From bens Thu Apr 25 00:12:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3P4C4I05634 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 00:12:04 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 00:12:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200204250412.g3P4C4D05630@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: tire question (sorry!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I hate to post yet another damn tire question, but it looks like I'm needing some (just got a flat tonight and they are looking mighty old - leftovers from previous owner). The 110 currently has 235/85/R16's on it (Michellin XL's). I was thinking about switching to a slightly wider tire. It looks like a 255/85/R16 would fit (will fit on the NAS110 6.5" rims). It is however, slightly taller (33.1" versus 31.8" tall). Given I have stock gearing, is this likely to make me unhappy (I'm not real happy with the enormous power of the 3.9 with the weight of a 110 as it is). In my future I would like to do some form of engine upgrade and probably get the NV-4500 tranny (where 1st gear is low enough that I'd probably want to stick with the stock 3.54 diffs). So, the upshot of that is that I'm not planning to change the diffs (had previously planned on changing to 4.10 gearing). Will the slightly wider tire do much for me? From looking through some previous postings, it seems to be a general opinion that they would have better sidewall protection, which would seem a good thing! Otherwise I presume it would be slightly better on rock/snow and probably worse in mud? Am also trying to decide between BFG M/T, Cooper STT and Big-O MT (advantage here being warranty and availability/price). Have never tried Cooper's (but know lots of people here like them) or Big-O's (also heard good things about them). Was quite happy with BFG MT's in the past! Thanks! Shannon From bens Thu Apr 25 00:41:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3P4fla06399 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 00:41:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 00:41:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200204250441.g3P4flq06395@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo-if come on Satruday Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thank you Chris. >Hi Charles, > >The best thing to do is go to Cedar Camp per the previously-posted >instructions and see what's going on. The CB channel is 7. > >C _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Thu Apr 25 00:59:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3P4xxE06494 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 00:59:59 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 00:59:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200204250459.g3P4xxv06490@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendocino Not-A-Rallye / package needs delivery Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org paul, i'll give you a call tomorrow am around 9 am thanks, fil >From: Paul Archibald >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: Mendocino Not-A-Rallye / package needs delivery >Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 22:01:48 -0400 > >I'll make it fit one way or another.... > >I can swing by either tonight or tomorrow morning...just [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Thu Apr 25 01:22:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3P5MqZ06606 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 01:22:52 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 01:22:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200204250522.g3P5Mq106602@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: Mendo Campfire Permits Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Chris, > I have one that I got in Januaray which is good for the whole year, but > I got it down south. I thought that worked everywhere in CA? I hope to pick one up, too. I passed right by the BLM office twice yesterday but couldn't stop. Maybe tomorrow I can manage it. I found out tonight that Bennett is not going to Mendo with me so I may go up Friday, after all. Granny From bens Thu Apr 25 01:33:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3P5X0Y06668 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 01:33:00 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 01:32:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200204250532.g3P5Wxl06664@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Brian Foster" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #725 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >From: Charles R Irvin >Subject: Misc. sightings... >Paul A. may want to go after this one: >Pick Your Part - Madera: >Glas 1700GT!!!!!!!! (looks like a Maserati, and was designed by Frua) >Wheels, steering wheel, gauges, and emblems are gone - otherwise all >there. According to a person in the know from the Rover car list, this >car was a sibling to BMW's of the time. I personally had never seen one >before. I have owned 4 Glas 1300/1700GTs and can share quite a bit of information about them. How was the rust? The trick is finding the BMW 1600GT rather than a Glas. A BMW 1600GT would be more interesting to me. Looks the same. The gauges in these cars are beautiful. Did you look under the hood at the engine? Very strange contraption (and unreliable I am afraid to say). Be happy to share more information offline. Brian Foster '74 BMW 2002 Automatic (the show queen -- ask me what a "new" 2002 is like!) '91 GMC Suburban 3/4-ton 2wd '02 BMW MINI Cooper S <= will decide tomorrow if I will take delivery of one of the first ones in the country... I already have a VIN#. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Thu Apr 25 01:49:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3P5n2R06746 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 01:49:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 01:49:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200204250549.g3P5n2s06742@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: mendo guest Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've convinced Jim Laurel from the Seattle area to come down and ride shotgun in my truck. For those who don't know, Jim drove his '97 Camel Disco 300tdi from London through Morocco and then over to India...and brought his wife and kids! The expedition details: http://www.spectare.com And for Mendo 110 owners: Six month's ago he purchased a Los Gatos 110 which he's now kitting for a future trip. JoeMulqueen Cotati, CA '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From bens Thu Apr 25 01:56:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3P5ugd06805 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 01:56:42 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 01:56:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200204250556.g3P5ufQ06801@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher H. Dow" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: tire question (sorry!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I think it's good to get the 110 a little higher off the ground if you are planning on trips like Blue Lakes/Slick Rock. My frame (even pre-Rubicon) is good evidence for this. I think Leslie had and easier time on the Rubicon (the first, non-motor-mount-breaking trip) last year with the larger tires. As far as brand goes, I think the BFG M/Ts are very good tires. We have the Cooper agressive mudders on the 90, and blew a sidewall on the Rubicon in a manner that I found pretty irritating (it wasn't a particularly wierd spot on the trail). The front-right Cooper STT 235/85 on the D90 rubs the trailing arm when the steering is all the way to the right, BTW. C Shannon Holland wrote: >Am also trying to decide between BFG M/T, Cooper STT and Big-O MT >(advantage here being warranty and availability/price). Have never tried >Cooper's (but know lots of people here like them) or Big-O's (also heard >good things about them). Was quite happy with BFG MT's in the past! > >Thanks! > >Shannon > From bens Thu Apr 25 02:08:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3P68Ml06867 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 02:08:22 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 02:08:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200204250608.g3P68MS06863@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: tire question (sorry!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >235/85 on the D90 rubs the trailing arm when the steering is all the way >to the right, I was told by a tyre guy the 235/85/16 is the same height as a 265/75/16 but with a different width. What diameter are yours? Anyone using 285/75/16 or 255/85/16 mud terrains? Both tyres are supposed to be a bit over 33 inch dia. Or dare I ask about 315/75/16 or 305/85/16? TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Thu Apr 25 02:13:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3P6DNj06899 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 02:13:23 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 02:13:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200204250613.g3P6DMQ06895@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: slander Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'll be departing Friday 10:00 am from Oakland. If anyone wants to convoy at that time, please call me. Also, my atturney will handle the "Joe's not coming" statements. Joe Mulqueen Cotati, CA 408-348-3688 cell '67 SIIA 109 SW Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 22:01:48 -0400 From: Paul Archibald Subject: Re: Mendocino Not-A-Rallye / package needs delivery I'll make it fit one way or another.... I can swing by either tonight or tomorrow morning...just let me know when is best for you. Joe isn't coming either! ;-( So far... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From bens Thu Apr 25 02:26:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3P6QdC06963 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 02:26:39 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 02:26:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200204250626.g3P6QdQ06959@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cc: twakeman@cruzers.com Subject: TeriAnn/ big manly tires was: tire question (sorry!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > Anyone using 285/75/16 or 255/85/16 mud terrains? Both > tyres are > supposed to be a bit over 33 inch dia. Elgie is sprting the 255-85' dunlop mt's from the Light brigade as it's wearing D-90 alloys with all-terains now..., and I may put on the superswamper 9x34x16's for mendo, so you either way you can have a look! ;-) Are you thinking of putting Ford sized tires now that you are sporting that big ol' engine? it should be able to pull them 315-85's no problem! ;-) of course you won't be able to stop...... besides when are you heading up north? I'm heading up friday morn towards Granny's ..... Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From bens Thu Apr 25 02:30:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3P6U4Y06986 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 02:30:04 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 02:30:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200204250630.g3P6U4n06982@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: slander Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- joe mulqueen wrote: > > I'll be departing Friday 10:00 am from Oakland. If > anyone wants to convoy at that time, please call me. > Also, my atturney will handle the "Joe's not coming" > statements. so...we'll need to start using last initials for y'all huh? ;-) Paul (Glad that there is only one Paul here...on the spridget group there are two Paul A's so I am in trouble there...they have gotten used to calling him Paul A, so they use my full last name...... > Joe Mulqueen > Cotati, CA > 408-348-3688 cell > '67 SIIA 109 SW > > > Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 22:01:48 -0400 > From: Paul Archibald > Subject: Re: Mendocino Not-A-Rallye / package needs [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From bens Thu Apr 25 02:38:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3P6c4m07028 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 02:38:04 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 02:38:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200204250638.g3P6c4H07024@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: tire question (and shocks) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The general concensus seems to be that a little wider can be better... I have 225/75X16's on my Rangie, and while they're not much wider than the 205/80's that they replaced, the wheels are the same - and this makes the tires taller somewhat...much more than the 205/80's were. I'm happy with this, because the larger tire diameter you have, the lower your engine RPM is at a given speed. (the bad thing is that this throws your speedo off a bit) While I'm thinking about it, I DID get to install my HD springs and OME shocks on the Rangie this evening...finished up at 2230hrs. I haven't taken the rig off road yet, but I did go for a spin around the block, and...I LIKE IT!!!!!!!! The heavy-duty springs really aren't too bad - it's when you throw in the OME shocks that they stiffen up, but after dealing with that boat ride that I had before (I have a '89, so there's no sway bars at all), it's MUCH better. I personally don't see them as being too stiff. I was kinda concerned after installing the first front spring: they're shorter overall than the stock items that came off! But, after putting everything together, the truck actually does sit a good 3 inches taller than it did before (again, the stock suspension was VERY tired - the right rear has been sagging badly the past week) The truck sits taller, it sits level, the ride is much better than before, and i am happy! Now, weather permitting, I'll be fixing the cruise control tomorrow, and I will see people at Mendo on Saturday! Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Thu Apr 25 02:46:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3P6kPb07076 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 02:46:25 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 02:46:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200204250646.g3P6kPv07072@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #725 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rust? I can stop and take a look on the way to Mendo, but I don't recall seeing any rust on it. Funny...several on a few lists mentioned seeing many of these cars in Europe, though only something like 850 were ever produced! If you're heading to Mendo, the car is in the Pick Your Part in Madera, right next to Hwy 99, at (if I remember correctly) the Ave. 25 exit: there's a Pilot truck stop there - head towards the truck stop, and turn right at the west edge of it, and follow that road to the wrecking yard. It's north of town. Charles On Thu, 25 Apr 2002 01:32:59 -0400 "Brian Foster" writes: > > >From: Charles R Irvin > >Subject: Misc. sightings... > >Paul A. may want to go after this one: > >Pick Your Part - Madera: > >Glas 1700GT!!!!!!!! (looks like a Maserati, and was designed by > Frua) > >Wheels, steering wheel, gauges, and emblems are gone - otherwise > all [ 32 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Thu Apr 25 02:46:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3P6kUT07091 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 02:46:30 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 02:46:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200204250646.g3P6kUC07087@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: tire question (sorry!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Shannon, I was handwringing over the very same tires up until one month ago. I ended up with the most agressive (BFG M/T KM purchased at Costco). Coopers are good, but they're an older, basic design and not any cheaper than BFG (unless you purchase Pep Boys' Futura version). The Big O (Goodyear mfg) is a great "hybrid" MT. Winston sells the same thing under their name also for a bit less. Your decision making criteria should include your need for sidewall protection/traction and acceptance level for tire lug noise/vibration. Good luck with your purchase! Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 00:12:04 -0400 From: Shannon Holland Subject: tire question (sorry!) .....Am also trying to decide between BFG M/T, Cooper STT and Big-O MT ...... Thanks! Shannon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From bens Thu Apr 25 02:46:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3P6kj107106 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 02:46:45 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 02:46:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200204250646.g3P6kjf07102@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Roger Sinasohn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Rover wear and looking for lro with toys Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rachel and I were in the kids section of Macy's a couple of weeks ago and she spotted a shirt with a Land Rover on it. It's from Greendog and is available in sizes up to 4T (which I don't ever have any hope of fitting in.) If anyone's interested, I can post a picture of it. Also, there is an LRO (I believe on this list) who owns a kid's toy store in Berkeley... Does any one know the name of the store? Thanks... --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From bens Thu Apr 25 02:49:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3P6n3N07128 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 02:49:03 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 02:49:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200204250649.g3P6n3607124@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: tire question (sorry!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > Or dare I ask about 315/75/16 or 305/85/16? I think you have been hanging out with the D-90 guys too much! they are all running cwazy 36" tires, and now you want to run the same? COOL! ;-) ...but seriously, the comment on wider tires Charles made is right. the 9x34x16's are too this for anything but slow-n-go on a swb from what I understand. I thifor you the wider ones would be mandatory just aloor the seight and height issues. I think the 305-85's are gonna be just right for you..what is the claimed diameter? paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From bens Thu Apr 25 03:04:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3P740u07200 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 03:04:00 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 03:04:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200204250704.g3P740u07196@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Young To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Ham Info (not a pork post this time) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Eric asked: > Can someone spell out the ham freq's which will be used for mendo? There are a couple of Diablo > repeaters and I can't recall which one we used last year. Also, someone had compiled the list of > everyone's call signs. Could that person please post? I may be repeating someone else'e answer 'cause I'm in digest mode. Rob - congrats on the TM-D700A - a great radio. Shannon - I would do APRS if I were going, but I'm not this year. I was APRS-capable on the motorcycle up there last year. Have fun everyone! Happy birthday, Granny! I believe NCRC/Mendo-folk monitor 146.500 MHz. This is really cool - last year, I came up Saturday, and was talking to Brigid and Bruce, while they were running trails... and I was still on Interstate 5. That was without a repeater, too. Following is the list I have, sorted by first name and tab-delimited. I really apologize if I have left anyone out. BTW, for those of you maintaining your own list, I changed my call sign again. Last time was due to getting my Extra license (AD6ZQ), this time it's to a vanity call that I can remember and pronounce better (AE6JY). Alexander Cooper W6AGC Ben Mitchell KF6QXL Ben Smith KG6BER Brigid Cope KF6WYB Bruce Bonar KF6QBF Bruce Curtis KF6RZK Casey McMullen KG6HWH Chris Dow KG6GOV Doug Forehand KF6OII Eric Wilcox KE6ISN Fil Figueroa KG6HIQ Frank Yap KF6RGB Gerry Elam K7LRO Ivan Lam KG6FZB Jeff Rogers KG6BGJ Jimmy Patrick W6BEE Joe Palecek KG6AWH John Hong KD7NEO John Shelton KF6LKE John Young AE6JY Kevin Kelly KF6BEV Leslie Dow KG6HSG Michelle Hannaford KG6CXZ Morgan Hannaford KF6ZVU Nick Baggarly KG6GKX Rick Larson KF6UZW Rob Kerner KG6IPO Roy Mills KQ6GC Shannon Holland KG6DES Stephanie Changaris KF6VGU From bens Thu Apr 25 03:04:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3P74iC07215 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 03:04:44 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 03:04:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200204250704.g3P74h607211@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Young To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo-Potluck Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Brian asked: > Can someone fill me in? As is with the rest of the Mendo experience, the pot luck is a purely vegan affair. That's right, no meat, no English cheeses, not even beer or wine. And definitely not Scotch. Any Scotch that shows up would probably be confiscated by Bruce, Granny, or Gerry, as they are really serious about keeping things on the straight and narrow. -JY From bens Thu Apr 25 06:38:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PAcko08098 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 06:38:46 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 06:38:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200204251038.g3PAckx08094@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: it always happens at the last minute... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yes, it's 3am in the morning, and yes I just finished working on the 110. I was at my workshop finishing up some last minute bits and pieces on the truck for Mendo, and even though I've been working about 15-20 hours a week on it for the past 4 weeks, it just figures that SOMETHING would come up at the last minute. Lucky for us, I fixed it, and all is well for Mendo. But it took a long time! I was getting set to replace the bottom coolant hose when I figured it would be a good time to do a quick flush of the system as well. To facilitate this process, I attempted to remove the fill plug on the fill neck smack in the middle of the engine that sticks up about 5 inches or so. This is not the fill plug on the radiator itself, although both plugs are the same part. Well, taking it off was obviously a mistake. It, being plastic, stripped almost right away. Lucky for me I had a spare, but before I could replace it, I had to get the old one out. At that point I was wishing I hadn't decided to touch it, but since I had and it was obviously now much weakend, I figured I had to remove it and replace it for sure. I ended up having to saw of the top of the plug and then drill out the base from the fill neck. That was a process. Once I got it out though, it looked as if the thread inside the filler neck was stripped. Oh boy, I figured I was screwed now. I tried putting the replacement fill plug in, and indeed, it wouldn't thread. I assumed I'd have to order an entire new top fill pipe assembly - I don't have the parts manaul to name it as it was listed, it's basically the dual metal pipe fitting that runs along the top of the left side of the engine and connects 4 different cooling/heating system hoses. I was planning to give up, go home, wait till morning, order the part, next day air it, install it early Fri morning and hope to be to Mendo by dark. Considering that I'd been working for 4 weeks to avoid working up to the last minute, that option was a little annoying. If I was going to have to order the part, I figured I'd at least remove it to see if I was going to have to order anything else as well. It was hard to get all 4 hoses off of it, but after using liberal amounts of WD40 and working it very slowly, they all came off without getting damaged. Once I got it off, I inspected it, and after about 30 min of looking at it, I realized I didn't have to reorder anything, I could just re-tap the thread! Once I realized that, I also realized something else even better. The threads weren't stripped at all, they were simply filled in with the old threads of the plug I had drilled out. When I pulled it out, the threads literally stayed behind. Since it was so old though, it looked as if it had stipped the threads, not just filled them in. I know, don't ask me why I assumed a plastic fill plug would strip a metal thread... The point is I fixed it, cleaned up the entire piece, reinstalled it, flushed the entire system, replaced the bottom feeder hose like I originally wanted, refilled the system, tested it, drove it, tested it again, etc, and now all is well in coolant land. Whew. That one was close. Now, if only tomorrow goes well when I replace the seals on the rear brakes, bleed the system and install a new tie rod, all will indeed be well!! I just hope I'm not there until 3am again!! Off to bed to dream of LR repairs. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Thu Apr 25 08:57:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PCvlH08715 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:57:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:57:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200204251257.g3PCvll08711@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher H. Dow" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: it always happens at the last minute... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Reading this in my pre-coffee fog, I was reminded of the childrens' book *If You Give a Mouse a Cookie", wherein the protagonist gives a mouse a cookie, which starts a chain of events that nearly results in the house being destroyed. It's sort of a knock-off of *The Cat in the Hat", since everything is OK by the time Mom gets home (sorry for the spoiler). C Jason Pipes wrote: 8< >I was getting set to replace the bottom coolant hose when I figured it would >be a good time to do a quick flush of the system as well... > 8< >Well, taking it off was obviously a mistake... > 8< >I ended up having to saw of the top... > 8< >Once I got it out ... > 8< >If I was going to have to order the part... > 8< >Once I got it off, I inspected it... > 8< >The point is I fixed it, cleaned up the entire piece, reinstalled it, >flushed the entire system, replaced the bottom feeder hose like I originally >wanted, refilled the system, tested it, drove it, tested it again, etc, and >now all is well in coolant land. Whew. > >That one was close. > >Now, if only tomorrow goes well ... > 8< From bens Thu Apr 25 09:30:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PDUIQ08889 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:30:18 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:30:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200204251330.g3PDUI308885@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter M Hope" To: Subject: Re: tire question (sorry!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I was told by a tyre guy the 235/85/16 is the same height as a 265/75/16 > but with a different width. What diameter are yours? > > Anyone using 285/75/16 or 255/85/16 mud terrains? Both tyres are > supposed to be a bit over 33 inch dia. > > Or dare I ask about 315/75/16 or 305/85/16? > 235/85r16 = 31.7x9.2 265/75r16 = 31.6x10.4 285/75r16 = 32.8x11.2 255/85r16 = 33.0x10.0 315/75r16 = 34.6x12.4 305/85r16 = 36.4x12 I just picked up some 16x8 rims that I am getting galvanised. I will be putting the 305/85's on em. Thinking about the new style Goodyear MT's or TSLs. If I go TSL, the current 15" BFG MTs will stay on for the daily driving and I will swap rims for offroading. Pete From bens Thu Apr 25 09:30:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PDUjJ08910 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:30:45 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:30:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200204251330.g3PDUj208906@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Re: Mendocino - Caravan Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Brian Horner wrote: >Seems like no real caravans have been formed >yet so let me just throw this out there. >I was planning on leaving Berkeley at 1pm to beat that >nasty Friday afternoon traffic. Anyone interested in >caravaning could meet up at the Denny's Parking >lot in Emeryville (Powell Exit) at 1pm. This would work for me and if Paul can make it I'll be happy to take Fil's winch mount the rest of the way to Mendo. Kevin Kelly From bens Thu Apr 25 09:38:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PDcbJ08966 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:38:37 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:38:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200204251338.g3PDcbv08962@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Mendo Hams Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Eric asked about the Mendo Ham Freq. A few years back Ben Mitchell posted: "As for frequencies, I propose we establish 146.500 as the "mendo simplex frequency". That's what we used for the twistoff and it worked well enough. In the event that that frequency is in use by non-mendo people, try 146.505. ("Alternate mendo simplex frequency") For repeater contact, try the W6CX repeater on mount Diablo. This has pretty good coverage around the bay and out through Sacramento. We'll probably lose it out in mendo, but at that point, we should be able use simplex most of the time. If not we'll try to find a repeater from camp. W6CX 147.060 MHz + PL 100Hz" I have been using 146.500 simplex on Mendo trips since then. Kevin Kelly 2M 146.500 CB Ch 7 Cell 415-407-8672 P.S. Below is my Mendo Ham call sign list (sorted by first name). E-mail me with any corrections or additions. Mendo Hams Alexander Cooper W6AGC Ben Mitchell KF6QXL Ben Smith KG6BER Brigid Cope KF6WYB Bruce Bonar KF6QBF Bruce Curtis KF6RZK Casey McMullen KG6HWH Chris Dow KG6GOV Doug Forehand KF6OII Eric Wilcox KE6ISN Fil Figueroa KG6HIQ Frank Yap KF6RGB Gerry Elam K7LRO Rob Kerner KG6IPO Ivan Lam KG6FZB Jeff Rogers KG6BGJ Jimmy Patrick W6BEE Joe Palecek KG6AWH John Hong KD7NEO John Shelton KF6LKE John Young AD6ZQ Kevin Kelly KF6BEV Leslie Dow KG6HSG Michelle Hannaford KG6CXZ Morgan Hannaford KF6ZVU Nick Baggarly KG6GKX Rick Larson KF6UZW Roy Mills KQ6BEJ Shannon Holland KG6DES Stephanie Changaris KF6VGU From bens Thu Apr 25 09:58:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PDwng09083 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:58:49 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:58:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200204251358.g3PDwnG09079@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo Campfire Permits Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi C, I was told by the CDF station where I get mine that the permit is good for the state. Bob B At 08:22 PM 4/24/2002, you wrote: >I have one that I got in Januaray which is good for the whole year, but >I got it down south. I thought that worked everywhere in CA? > >C From bens Thu Apr 25 10:52:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PEqna09342 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 10:52:49 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 10:52:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200204251452.g3PEqnM09338@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Gbrovers@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Springs and shocks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 4/24/02 11:23:29 AM, jsosbee@apple.com writes: << Basically it looks like there are two really good combinations: >> Josh There is actually three very good combinations, the third one being OME springs with Bilstein shocks and in my opinion the best choice. 95% of the suspension kits I sell are this combination and I have never had anyone unhappy with it. I have also sold it to folks that originally had OME/OME combinations and they liked it better. You stated that your primary consideration is mainly highway driving which is even more reason to get this combination as Bilsteins will give you a more controlled and stable ride at highway speeds. They also work equally as well as off road. British Pacifics statement that: <<"says that the although Bilsteins are great for cars, that they aren't built tough enough for decent rock crawling and to go with the O.M.E. all the way around.">> is complete rubbish! The normally compentant folks at BP have there heads up there asses on this one. Bilstein has completely dominated all forms of autosport for the last 30 years especially off road classes such as SCORE/HYDA.The reason that BP doesn't recommend Bilsteins is that they don't sell them (I sell both). They logic that they are better boils down to an OME weights more than a Bilstein. Also don't forget that Bilsteins have a lifetime warranty and if you actually keep your Rover long enough to put 250,000 + miles on it means you can get a fresh set sometime in the future. If you subscribe to the logic that you should not deviate from the manufacturers recommendations, in this case OME shocks/OME springs, then you shouldn't install anything but Land Rover springs and shocks. Bill Great Basin Rovers From bens Thu Apr 25 11:17:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PFHaQ09530 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:17:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:17:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200204251517.g3PFHaw09526@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Gbrovers@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Springs and shocks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 4/24/02 12:09:54 PM, jpipes@csd.uwm.edu writes: << I'd agree that the basic model Bilsteins don't seem to be as good for offroad uses. Other higher end versions may, but not the basic model. Also, this relates to a 110, but Chris Dow had Bilsteins in his truck with other brand springs and found it was a horrible setup that created a significant amount of play and wash in his steering. Jason Pipes >> Jason It seems like this subject came up a few months ago with similar comments by yourself. At the time I suggested that Chris Dows steering problems were the result, not of the shocks, but rather the lift which effects your castor measurement. Unless a shock absorber is completely defective out of the box, they aren't going to make much difference on your steering. Did Chris solve his 110 handling problems by changing the shocks to some other brand? If you don't know can you check with him and let the list know how he resolved the issue. The basic Bilstein shock employs the same technology and manufacturing standards as the higher end models. Bill GBR From bens Thu Apr 25 11:41:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PFfYJ09663 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:41:34 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:41:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200204251541.g3PFfYf09659@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: 110 tires Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Shannon, I currently run 7.50R16 Cooper CTDs on mine (32" dia). When they wear out (getting close!) I'm going with 235/85R16 because 7.50R16 in any tire is becoming unobtainium in the US. I don't want anything wider (or taller) as long as I get an honest 32" dia (not all 235/85R16 are equal on this, at least in terms of nominal dia). Jason n Petra's 110 has the old-style BFG MT in 235/85R16 and I must say they look to be a perfect size/capability for the truck. If I remember correctly, their nominal diameter is 32.2" (good!). The only other one out there like that is the Bridgestone Dueler MT which is also 32.2" dia in that size. Because I spend time in the Sierras in winter (the 110 is kind of a pig on snowy roads--needs all the help it can get) I want closer-spaced lugs and lots of sipes. I'm probably going for a Toyo M55. They will be good for that and ok in general off-road (like Mendo or D-ville-- my two usual trips per year--sad) but maybe not so good in mud (but hey, that is what my 109 with 7.50R16 Cooper STTs is for-- great in mud). Dunlop Rover RT is in the running here too, but they are on the short side for a 235/85R16. In the past, I think Jeff Rogers ran 255/85R16 on his D90 when it was more stock-- maybe he has perspective on power and steering with that size? Cheers. From bens Thu Apr 25 12:00:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PG0O209799 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:00:24 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:00:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200204251600.g3PG0Ot09795@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendocino - Caravan Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...Anybody heading up the hill Saturday morning (or for that matter, going near the Sacramento area on Friday evening) that happens to see a white Rangie classic with a DK's sticker on one side of the tailgate - a Vandals sticker on the other side, I'll have my CB on either 7(Mendo), or 17 (truck traffic north of Bakersfield). Charles P.S. for those from L.A. that miss Mendo: Land Rover South Bay is having a off-road day in Gorman on 05 May, and it is limited to 30 vehicles. You can sign up at the dealer...the event - and lunch - is FREE! Only restriction other than 30 vehicles, is you gotta be in a Rover type truck. They had lotsa Freelanders in stock, so it would be interesting to see them in use should any turn up. On Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:30:45 -0400 "Kevin Kelly" writes: > > Brian Horner wrote: > > >Seems like no real caravans have been formed > >yet so let me just throw this out there. > > >I was planning on leaving Berkeley at 1pm to beat that > >nasty Friday afternoon traffic. Anyone interested in > >caravaning could meet up at the Denny's Parking [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Thu Apr 25 12:00:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PG0gt09818 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:00:42 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:00:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200204251600.g3PG0g609814@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: it always happens at the last minute... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason - and others, That pipe that you had trouble with can easily be bypassed: SD1 cars didn't even have one with a filler in it. Should you or anybody else bypass it, make sure that your cooling system is completely filled before driving. (ie: top off the radiator, start the engine with the radiator plug removed, and let the coolant cycle through the thermostat several times, and top off each time until the level stops dropping during its cycle) DO NOT SKIP THIS PROCESS! The plastic plugs, BTW, are designed (from what I've been told) to shear their heads off when used too many times: yes, this is one of those "must replace on a regular basis" items. Should the head shear off, simply stick a large flathead screwdriver into the center of the remains, and remove as you normally would. The reason they changed these to plastic, is because on SD1's and early Rangies, the plug was brass: if the system was neglected or if the car sat for a long time, they would stick, and when you tried to remove them, they'd snap the threaded collar off the radiators! (been there,...) On the secondary filler tube, they'd simply fuse themselves to the tube, and not come out. Charles (the brass plugs on my SD1 have teflon tape on them...) On Thu, 25 Apr 2002 06:38:46 -0400 Jason Pipes writes: > > > Yes, it's 3am in the morning, and yes I just finished working on the > 110. I > was at my workshop finishing up some last minute bits and pieces on > the > truck for Mendo, and even though I've been working about 15-20 hours > a week > on it for the past 4 weeks, it just figures that SOMETHING would [ 100 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Thu Apr 25 12:02:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PG2ZP09854 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:02:35 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:02:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200204251602.g3PG2Z709850@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: tire question (sorry!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Wednesday, April 24, 2002, at 10:56 PM, Christopher H. Dow wrote: > I think it's good to get the 110 a little higher off the ground if you > are planning on trips like Blue Lakes/Slick Rock. My frame (even > pre-Rubicon) is good evidence for this. I think Leslie had and easier > time on the Rubicon (the first, non-motor-mount-breaking trip) last year > with the larger tires. > > As far as brand goes, I think the BFG M/Ts are very good tires. We have > the Cooper agressive mudders on the 90, and blew a sidewall on the > Rubicon in a manner that I found pretty irritating (it wasn't a [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Yikes - sidewall strength is something I've always liked about the BFG M/T's (well, assuming you believe their hype, given I've never seen any quantitative testing...). It seems that all the warranties in the world/few dollars saved don't do you much good if you blow a tire in a tricky spot. I definitely like the idea of getting the truck higher off the ground, am just hesitant to make it slower than it already is! Although with a bigger tire I'd be able to get a bit more out of 4th gear and would hopefully get a small boost in gas mileage. Oh, and I get to unknowingly speed about with my speedo off (doubt a cop would buy that though). 235/85's rub on the D90? That doesn't seem right. Thanks! Shannon From bens Thu Apr 25 12:04:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PG4uM09897 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:04:56 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:04:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200204251604.g3PG4um09893@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo Hams Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org FWIW, I find it amazing that so many Mendonites are hams now. It is truly impressive that folks took the time and effort to get licensed. If anyone wants to take pictures of the outing and write up a short article for ARRL, I'm sure the magazine would print it and PAY you for it. It's unique enough to feature especially if you want to feature the Series vehicles. Cheers, Gerry > >Mendo Hams > >Alexander Cooper W6AGC >Ben Mitchell KF6QXL >Ben Smith KG6BER >Brigid Cope KF6WYB >Bruce Bonar KF6QBF >Bruce Curtis KF6RZK [ 25 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Thu Apr 25 12:05:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PG5RG09924 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:05:27 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:05:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200204251605.g3PG5RU09920@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: tire question (sorry!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks for all the responses everyone! I think I'll probably go ahead with the 255/85/R16 BFG M/T's - definitely be much happier than what I have on there now! Although I will get to have less fun next time I go play in the mud/snow (assuming lack of control being fun). Shannon From bens Thu Apr 25 12:08:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PG8NT09950 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:08:23 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:08:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200204251608.g3PG8M209946@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Granny To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo-Potluck Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John Young wrote: > not even beer or wine. And definitely not Scotch. Any > Scotch that shows up would probably be confiscated by > Bruce, Granny, or Gerry, as they are really serious about > keeping things on the straight and narrow. Absolutely! In fact, only distilled water may be consumed. Granny From bens Thu Apr 25 12:32:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PGWGr10138 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:32:16 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:32:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200204251632.g3PGWFP10134@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo-Potluck Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sounds great! I will bring a keg of Koolaid and a box of broccoli for the BBQ!!!! ;o) Brian On Thursday, April 25, 2002, at 12:04 AM, John Young wrote: > > Brian asked: > >> Can someone fill me in? > > As is with the rest of the Mendo experience, the pot luck is > a purely vegan affair. That's right, no meat, no English cheeses, > not even beer or wine. And definitely not Scotch. Any > Scotch that shows up would probably be confiscated by [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.roverme.org Land Rover Community, Links and Email Services From bens Thu Apr 25 13:21:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PHL7m10682 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:21:07 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:21:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200204251721.g3PHL7910675@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "Paul Archibald" Subject: Re: TeriAnn/ big manly tires was: tire question (sorry!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Are you thinking of putting Ford sized tires now that you >are sporting that big ol' engine? it should be able to pull >them 315-85's no problem! ;-) I was looking at the 37 inch tyres that Tom has on his D90 the other day and thinking the tread on my tyres were geting a little thin. I was comptemplating a tad more ground clearence. I figured since I am too old for miniskirts I could safely get away with a litle taller tyre in the 33 - 25 inch range. Ford size? Some Land Rover 109s came from the factory with 900-16 = 305/85/16 = 36.2 in dia. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Thu Apr 25 13:21:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PHL8710686 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:21:08 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:21:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200204251721.g3PHL7510681@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: tire question (sorry!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I thifor you the >wider ones would be mandatory just aloor the seight and >height issues. I think the 305-85's are gonna be just right >for you..what is the claimed diameter? THe assistant manager said 36.2 inches dia. Since this was at the tyre store in downtown Moab I figured the guy knew his big tyres well. The shop where my LR was being worked on was next door to the tyre place so when I needed a break from from reading I walked over and inquired about tyre sizes. I have been thinking I would like something in the neighborhood of 34 inch dia. That should provide about an inch additional ground clearence and drop fourth gear engine RPMs by about 200 for a given speed. 36 inches would about double that (65 MPH @ 2500 RPM) but I worry about clearence issues. I already figure I'll need to move the rear axle towards the vehicle rear one ot two inches. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Thu Apr 25 13:29:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PHTsR10997 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:29:54 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:29:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200204251729.g3PHTsu10993@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shane Ballensky To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: tire question (sorry!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Another great tire on the market is the new goodyear MTR. They have some of the toughest sidewalls of any radial tire. I have a set of 37x12.50 that look nice on my D90 but i have not put them to the test. At 12:05 PM 4/25/02 -0400, you wrote: >Thanks for all the responses everyone! > >I think I'll probably go ahead with the 255/85/R16 BFG M/T's - >definitely be much happier than what I have on there now! Although I >will get to have less fun next time I go play in the mud/snow (assuming >lack of control being fun). > >Shannon Shane From bens Thu Apr 25 13:37:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PHbax11137 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:37:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:37:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200204251737.g3PHbZS11133@minbar.fourfold.org> From: ken@wallich.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendocino - Caravan Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've got one last possible trip killer today, and if that works out, I've got my gear loaded into Llewella to finally head up for my first time! Was planning on heading out of San Jose around lunch, so I'll try to either zip to Emeryville at 1, else I'll head for the Black Oak, and probably head out from there around 2pm. Ken Wallich P.S. I'll have the CB on 7, and my HT on 146.500 (well, unless I get stuck having to stay down here), given Kevin's fine hints... >From: Brian Horner >Subject: Re: Mendocino - Caravan > >[...]Anyone interested in caravaning could meet up at >the Denny's Parking lot in Emeryville (Powell Exit) at 1pm. From bens Thu Apr 25 13:58:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PHwxr11308 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:58:59 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:58:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200204251758.g3PHwxa11304@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendocino Not-A-Rallye Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Paul Archibald wrote: So far i am heading up alone after all, as no-one else from down here has spoken up. Well.... My gas tank is still leaking and rusty, and Joe Lucas really doesn't like me... I still have no power at all. You would think that someone who lays out printed circuit boards all day that I would know how to use a digital multi-meter better than I do. So The African isn't going to be able to make it barring a miracle by Starley and Sutton from heaven above. The only other option is taking up my *COUGHchevypickupCOUGH* of course... it's illegal under California smog laws. Haven't updated it since moving here from Florida. Anyone know of any loopholes?? A temporary tag that'll get me through the weekend? Something of that sort?? I'm not familar with the laws and regulations here. Thanks everyone, Stirling Anderson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From bens Thu Apr 25 14:00:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PI01b11334 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:00:01 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:00:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200204251800.g3PI01r11327@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Casey McMullen To: Subject: Re: Mendocino Not-A-Rallye / package needs delivery Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Fil and Paul (and Granny), I am on digest mode and didn't get this message until now. I live and work in Mt. View and could swing up and pick up your package if you still need it. Let me know, Casey cell: 408-406-6870 > From: "Fil F." > Subject: Mendocino Not-A-Rallye / package needs delivery > > i am unable to make it to mendo this year but i have a RR Ramsey winch > mounting kit that needs to get to Granny at mendo, i am asking for > help/volunteers to bring this to mendo, i am located in fremont and work From bens Thu Apr 25 14:03:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PI35d11364 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:03:05 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:03:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200204251803.g3PI34S11360@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: last minute mendo planning stuff... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org just realized I had tossed the spare tire in the back yard as I had no place to put it in Elgie! I had at first tossed it in the back, but a 33" tire pretty much takes up the whole rear in an 88" p-up! and when I mounted the truck-box, it went temporarilly behind teh house.... A spare 255-85 is a BIG FAT tire for a series! I just hefted the beast up to the hood, and it's just waaaay to thich to run up there as I will not be able to see ANYTHING! ;-( Now trying to decide if I can gt some steel together in time, and weld up a rear mount ala the d-90's? I could always run w/o a spare, or use one of my smaller tires as an emergency, but that'd not be too smart.....maybe I should put on the taller skinier ones? gotta measure to see if they are really any better on the hood....hmmmm and I still need to dig up an antenna....I guess I could steal the one off the disco, but.... Paul (back to the driveway......) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From bens Thu Apr 25 14:11:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PIBjL11451 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:11:45 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:11:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200204251811.g3PIBiL11447@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: TW Re: tire question (sorry!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi TeriAnn, What was being worked on? I don't remember you mentioning problems on the trip. Bob B At 10:21 AM 4/25/2002, you wrote: >The shop where my LR was being worked on was next door to the tyre place >so when I needed a break from from reading I walked over and inquired >about tyre sizes. > >I have been thinking I would like something in the neighborhood of 34 >inch dia. >TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please >Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - >twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message From bens Thu Apr 25 14:22:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PIMIP11507 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:22:18 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:22:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200204251822.g3PIMIN11503@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: tire question (sorry!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have some real world info regarding BFG MT side walls. On our recent trip to the Mojave, we sliced into two of the side walls almost a quarter of inch, at an angle, but still a hefty slice. We're still holding air in them now. We are also running tubes in the tires though, so we have very strong almost flat free tires in most cases. jpipes >Yikes - sidewall strength is something I've always liked about the BFG >M/T's (well, assuming you believe their hype, given I've never seen any >quantitative testing...). It seems that all the warranties in the >world/few dollars saved don't do you much good if you blow a tire in a >tricky spot. > >I definitely like the idea of getting the truck higher off the ground, >am just hesitant to make it slower than it already is! Although with a >bigger tire I'd be able to get a bit more out of 4th gear and would [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Thu Apr 25 14:27:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PIRBk11547 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:27:11 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:27:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200204251827.g3PIRBL11543@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Springs and shocks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm sorry, I don't mean to debate this issue, I'm not even a very great at this mechanical stuff, I'm learning as I go... BUT, yes, I vistited Chris this past weekend after he replaced his shocks to all OME and now his steering handles significantly better. Those are his words. He later changed his tie rod as well, but before that he mentioned his steering was much improved. jpipes >Jason > It seems like this subject came up a few months ago with similar comments >by yourself. At the time I suggested that Chris Dows steering problems were >the result, not of the shocks, but rather the lift which effects your castor >measurement. Unless a shock absorber is completely defective out of the box, >they aren't going to make much difference on your steering. Did Chris solve >his 110 handling problems by changing the shocks to some other brand? If you >don't know can you check with him and let the list know how he resolved the >issue. [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Thu Apr 25 14:28:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PIS1E11562 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:28:01 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:28:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200204251828.g3PIS1m11558@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendocino Not-A-Rallye Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Stirling Anderson wrote: > > --- Paul Archibald wrote: > So far i am heading up alone after all, as no-one > else from down here has spoken up. > > Well.... My gas tank is still > leaking and rusty, and Joe Lucas really doesn't like > me... I still have no power at all. You would think > that someone who lays out printed circuit boards all [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] If you do go to DMV to start registration, they will give you a sticker for teh rar window.....but than at some time you will need to finish teh regestration.....Allthree of my vehicles are running these tags right now! ;-0 THE disco just needs to get smogged, but with the leaking rad, I'm not drivinig it 'til that's replaced even to the smog station Elgie and the midget need to be inspected....as teh midget has been off the books for ages, and Elgie needs a brake/light inspection....all to get done after coming back from Mendo! ;-) ...and getting teh truck up to legal smog stuff may be easier than you thought after all....there are some moderrn cats that are soooooo free flowing you'll not notice the power loss from what I hear....and that is the main issue really isn't it? Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From bens Thu Apr 25 14:32:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PIWA711616 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:32:10 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:32:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200204251832.g3PIWAL11612@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendocino Not-A-Rallye / package needs delivery Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org no worries! ;-) I have it now and it's already in teh back of Elgies bed Paul --- Casey McMullen wrote: > > Fil and Paul (and Granny), > > I am on digest mode and didn't get this message until > now. I live and work in > Mt. View and could swing up and pick up your package if > you still need it. > Let me know, > [ 15 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From bens Thu Apr 25 14:35:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PIZOK11670 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:35:24 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:35:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200204251835.g3PIZOS11666@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: last minute mendo planning stuff... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Whooo Hooo!!! My Old Man Emu Steering stabiliser just came in the mail. Just in time for Mendo! Brian On Thursday, April 25, 2002, at 11:03 AM, Paul Archibald wrote: > > just realized I had tossed the spare tire in the back yard > as I had no place to put it in Elgie! I had at first tossed > it in the back, but a 33" tire pretty much takes up the > whole rear in an 88" p-up! and when I mounted the > truck-box, it went temporarilly behind teh house.... > A spare 255-85 is a BIG FAT tire for a series! > I just hefted the beast up to the hood, and it's just > waaaay to thich to run up there as I will not be able to [ 19 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.roverme.org Land Rover Community, Links and Email Services From bens Thu Apr 25 14:40:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PIee711715 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:40:40 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:40:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200204251840.g3PIeeF11711@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: off to finish the job, Menod prep!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ok, I'm finally awake and alive now, iIm heading out to finish the work on the 110 for Mendo! Rear brake seals and tie rod. BTW, Charles, others, when I refilled the cooling system last night I did indeed fill it through the fill tower not the radiator and I left the expansion tank cap and radiator plug off while I refilled. I then closed the fill tower and ran it with the other holes open until the engine was good and hot, and then topped up as required. I then took it out for a 15 min test drive over the Bay Bridge to Treasure Island and back, and no leaks, no over heating, all seemed well! Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Thu Apr 25 14:42:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PIgEf11731 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:42:14 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:42:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200204251842.g3PIgEq11727@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: tire question (sorry!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Thursday, April 25, 2002, at 11:22 AM, Jason Pipes wrote: > I have some real world info regarding BFG MT side walls. On our recent > trip > to the Mojave, we sliced into two of the side walls almost a quarter of > inch, at an angle, but still a hefty slice. We're still holding air in > them > now. We are also running tubes in the tires though, so we have very > strong > almost flat free tires in most cases. > Ooh dammit - that's the other thing I meant to ask! I seemed to recall a discussion that tubes were needed on the 110 wheels? Can't find it in my list archives though... Is this true? BFG sidewalls do seem to be good. I'm also looking at the Goodyear MT/R. They also have 3-ply sidewalls along with some other strengthening bits. Of course the only size they have that will fit my wheels is 235/85/R16 (no 255/85/R16) so that makes sizing questions easier. Of course, I could open this up to a wheel discussion/recommendation thread. But I won't do that as I can't afford wheels at present anyway. Next set of tires! Shannon From bens Thu Apr 25 14:42:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PIgpM11747 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:42:51 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:42:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200204251842.g3PIgpm11743@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Calling Bill Stenwick Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bill, Going to Mendo? <-Rover content. Drop me a line-- would like to ask what you know about mapping ISO damage codes to Maersk STS codes... Cheers, Blair From bens Thu Apr 25 14:51:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PIpGY11806 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:51:16 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:51:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200204251851.g3PIpFu11802@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: tire question (sorry!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Shannon, Our steelies required tubes as they were bolted and not welded seems or one piece rims. As a result, air wouldn't stick and tubes were required. I didn't mind though as it just means additional flat protection. I assume all stock 110 rims are the same way. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Thu Apr 25 15:04:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PJ4TX11871 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:04:29 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:04:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200204251904.g3PJ4So11867@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Stenwick" To: , Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #726 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Gee, I feel real bad about my wanton and reckless behavior. I was planning on donating a bottle of single malt as my wife is not coming and I can't cook worth a damn. I must have misjudged all you guys. Bill Stenwick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mendo_Recce digest:" To: Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 11:28 AM Subject: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #726 > > Mendo_Recce digest: Thursday, April 25 2002 Volume 02 : Number 726 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 01:32:59 -0400 > From: "Brian Foster" > Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #725 [ 23 additional quoted lines pruned. ] like!) > '91 GMC Suburban 3/4-ton 2wd > '02 BMW MINI Cooper S <= will decide tomorrow if I will take delivery of one > of the first ones in the country... I already have a VIN#. > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 01:49:02 -0400 [ 367 additional quoted lines pruned. ] There are a couple of Diablo > > repeaters and I can't recall which one we used last year. Also, someone had compiled the list of > > everyone's call signs. Could that person please post? > > I may be repeating someone else'e answer 'cause I'm in digest mode. > > Rob - congrats on the TM-D700A - a great radio. > Shannon - I would do APRS if I were going, but I'm not this year. > I was APRS-capable on the motorcycle up there last year. > Have fun everyone! Happy birthday, Granny! > [ 69 additional quoted lines pruned. ] I > was at my workshop finishing up some last minute bits and pieces on the > truck for Mendo, and even though I've been working about 15-20 hours a week > on it for the past 4 weeks, it just figures that SOMETHING would come up at > the last minute. > > Lucky for us, I fixed it, and all is well for Mendo. But it took a long time! > > I was getting set to replace the bottom coolant hose when I figured it would > be a good time to do a quick flush of the system as well. To facilitate this > process, I attempted to remove the fill plug on the fill neck smack in the > middle of the engine that sticks up about 5 inches or so. This is not the > fill plug on the radiator itself, although both plugs are the same part. > > Well, taking it off was obviously a mistake. It, being plastic, stripped > almost right away. Lucky for me I had a spare, but before I could replace > it, I had to get the old one out. At that point I was wishing I hadn't > decided to touch it, but since I had and it was obviously now much weakend, > I figured I had to remove it and replace it for sure. > > I ended up having to saw of the top of the plug and then drill out the base > from the fill neck. That was a process. > > Once I got it out though, it looked as if the thread inside the filler neck > was stripped. Oh boy, I figured I was screwed now. I tried putting the > replacement fill plug in, and indeed, it wouldn't thread. I assumed I'd have > to order an entire new top fill pipe assembly - I don't have the parts manaul > to name it as it was listed, it's basically the dual metal pipe fitting that > runs along the top of the left side of the engine and connects 4 different > cooling/heating system hoses. I was planning to give up, go home, wait till > morning, order the part, next day air it, install it early Fri morning and > hope to be to Mendo by dark. Considering that I'd been working for 4 weeks > to avoid working up to the last minute, that option was a little annoying. > > If I was going to have to order the part, I figured I'd at least remove it > to see if I was going to have to order anything else as well. It was hard to > get all 4 hoses off of it, but after using liberal amounts of WD40 and > working it very slowly, they all came off without getting damaged. > > Once I got it off, I inspected it, and after about 30 min of looking at it, > I realized I didn't have to reorder anything, I could just re-tap the thread! > Once I realized that, I also realized something else even better. The > threads weren't stripped at all, they were simply filled in with the old > threads of the plug I had drilled out. When I pulled it out, the threads > literally stayed behind. Since it was so old though, it looked as if it had > stipped the threads, not just filled them in. I know, don't ask me why I > assumed a plastic fill plug would strip a metal thread... > > The point is I fixed it, cleaned up the entire piece, reinstalled it, > flushed the entire system, replaced the bottom feeder hose like I originally > wanted, refilled the system, tested it, drove it, tested it again, etc, and > now all is well in coolant land. Whew. > > That one was close. > > Now, if only tomorrow goes well when I replace the seals on the rear brakes, > bleed the system and install a new tie rod, all will indeed be well!! I just > hope I'm not there until 3am again!! > > Off to bed to dream of LR repairs. > > Jason Pipes > jpipes@feldgrau.com > www.feldgrau.com > > 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 [ 19 additional quoted lines pruned. ] would > >be a good time to do a quick flush of the system as well... > > > 8< > > >Well, taking it off was obviously a mistake... > > > 8< > > >I ended up having to saw of the top... [ 17 additional quoted lines pruned. ] originally > >wanted, refilled the system, tested it, drove it, tested it again, etc, and > >now all is well in coolant land. Whew. > > > >That one was close. > > > >Now, if only tomorrow goes well ... > > > 8< > > ------------------------------ [ 148 additional quoted lines pruned. ] OME > springs with Bilstein shocks and in my opinion the best choice. 95% of the > suspension kits I sell are this combination and I have never had anyone > unhappy with it. I have also sold it to folks that originally had OME/OME > combinations and they liked it better. You stated that your primary > consideration is mainly highway driving which is even more reason to get this > combination as Bilsteins will give you a more controlled and stable ride at > highway speeds. They also work equally as well as off road. British Pacifics > statement that: > > <<"says that the although Bilsteins are > great for cars, that they aren't built tough enough for decent rock > crawling and to go with the O.M.E. all the way around.">> > > is complete rubbish! The normally compentant folks at BP have there heads up > there asses on this one. Bilstein has completely dominated all forms of > autosport for the last 30 years especially off road classes such as > SCORE/HYDA.The reason that BP doesn't recommend Bilsteins is that they don't > sell them (I sell both). They logic that they are better boils down to an OME > weights more than a Bilstein. Also don't forget that Bilsteins have a > lifetime warranty and if you actually keep your Rover long enough to put > 250,000 + miles on it means you can get a fresh set sometime in the future. > If you subscribe to the logic that you should not deviate from the > manufacturers recommendations, in this case OME shocks/OME springs, then you > shouldn't install anything but Land Rover springs and shocks. > > Bill > Great Basin Rovers > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:17:36 -0400 > From: Gbrovers@aol.com [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] truck > with other brand springs and found it was a horrible setup that created a > significant amount of play and wash in his steering. > > Jason Pipes >> > > Jason > It seems like this subject came up a few months ago with similar comments > by yourself. At the time I suggested that Chris Dows steering problems were > the result, not of the shocks, but rather the lift which effects your castor > measurement. Unless a shock absorber is completely defective out of the box, > they aren't going to make much difference on your steering. Did Chris solve > his 110 handling problems by changing the shocks to some other brand? If you > don't know can you check with him and let the list know how he resolved the > issue. > The basic Bilstein shock employs the same technology and manufacturing > standards as the higher end models. > > Bill > GBR > > ------------------------------ > [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] (getting close!) I'm going with 235/85R16 because 7.50R16 in any tire is becoming unobtainium in the US. I don't want anything wider (or taller) as long as I get an honest 32" dia (not all 235/85R16 are equal on this, at least in terms of nominal dia). Jason n Petra's 110 has the old-style BFG MT in 235/85R16 and I must say they look to be a perfect size/capability for the truck. If I remember correctly, their nominal diameter is 32.2" (good!). The only other one out there like that is the Bridgestone Dueler MT which is also 32.2" dia in that size. > > Because I spend time in the Sierras in winter (the 110 is kind of a pig on snowy roads--needs all the help it can get) I want closer-spaced lugs and lots of sipes. I'm probably going for a Toyo M55. They will be good for that and ok in general off-road (like Mendo or D-ville-- my two usual trips per year--sad) but maybe not so good in mud (but hey, that is what my 109 with 7.50R16 Cooper STTs is for-- great in mud). Dunlop Rover RT is in the running here too, but they are on the short side for a 235/85R16. > > In the past, I think Jeff Rogers ran 255/85R16 on his D90 when it was more stock-- maybe he has perspective on power and steering with that size? > > Cheers. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:00:24 -0400 > From: Charles R Irvin > Subject: Re: Mendocino - Caravan > [ 134 additional quoted lines pruned. ] article > for ARRL, I'm sure the magazine would print it and PAY you for it. It's > unique enough to feature especially if you want to feature the Series > vehicles. > > Cheers, > Gerry > > > > >Mendo Hams [ 172 additional quoted lines pruned. ] got my > gear loaded into Llewella to finally head up for my first time! Was planning on > heading out of San Jose around lunch, so I'll try to either zip to Emeryville at > 1, else I'll head for the Black Oak, and probably head out from there around 2pm. > > Ken Wallich > > P.S. I'll have the CB on 7, and my HT on 146.500 (well, unless I get stuck > having to stay down here), given Kevin's fine hints... > > > >From: Brian Horner > >Subject: Re: Mendocino - Caravan [ 45 additional quoted lines pruned. ] work in > Mt. View and could swing up and pick up your package if you still need it. > Let me know, > > Casey > cell: 408-406-6870 > > > From: "Fil F." > > Subject: Mendocino Not-A-Rallye / package needs delivery > > [ 45 additional quoted lines pruned. ] trip. > > Bob B > > At 10:21 AM 4/25/2002, you wrote: > > >The shop where my LR was being worked on was next door to the tyre place > >so when I needed a break from from reading I walked over and inquired > >about tyre sizes. > > [ 14 additional quoted lines pruned. ] trip > to the Mojave, we sliced into two of the side walls almost a quarter of > inch, at an angle, but still a hefty slice. We're still holding air in them > now. We are also running tubes in the tires though, so we have very strong > almost flat free tires in most cases. > > jpipes > > >Yikes - sidewall strength is something I've always liked about the BFG > >M/T's (well, assuming you believe their hype, given I've never seen any > >quantitative testing...). It seems that all the warranties in the > >world/few dollars saved don't do you much good if you blow a tire in a [ 25 additional quoted lines pruned. ] changed > his tie rod as well, but before that he mentioned his steering was much > improved. > > jpipes > > >Jason > > It seems like this subject came up a few months ago with similar comments > >by yourself. At the time I suggested that Chris Dows steering problems were > >the result, not of the shocks, but rather the lift which effects your castor > >measurement. Unless a shock absorber is completely defective out of the box, > >they aren't going to make much difference on your steering. Did Chris solve > >his 110 handling problems by changing the shocks to some other brand? If you > >don't know can you check with him and let the list know how he resolved the > >issue. > [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] > > > - -- > Jason Pipes > jpipes@feldgrau.com > www.feldgrau.com > [ 48 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Apr 25 16:43:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PKhAc12470 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:43:10 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:43:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200204252043.g3PKh4O12466@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: TW Re: tire question (sorry!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Hi TeriAnn, >What was being worked on? I don't remember you mentioning problems on the >trip. Had a few problems. #1 before leaving, on cool damp days the engine would start and the ignition would cut out briefly. Some times long enough to kill the engine. Sometimes not. The problem went away after about 5 minutes and some mornings didn't happen. I parked the Rover in downtown Reno to take the pup for a walk and check out St. Paddies day action. When I got back the car absolutely would not start. Of course I was parked on a river bridge and a very cold wind was blowing snow almost horizontally as I tried to clean connections to the ignition thinking my problem all along had been a bad connection. When that didn't work I got out may spare electronic box which I got real cheap at a wrecking yard and plugged it in. The baby fired right up. I bolted the box in dropped the old module in the trash, fired up the engine and the Kodiak heater. Buurrrr What's a California coastal gal doing working on a car out in windy snow storm when the temp was low teens in a wind protected area? #2 I had come off a trail around the Merrimack and Monitor buttes just North of Canyonlands and decided to do something completely different. SO I climbed the mountains South East of Moab and did a couple hour snow trailing where it was not very deep. Coming back included about an hour descending on engine compression. When I got out to the road I went to pull out and the engine spit, sputtered and coughed. It idled OK, went up to about 2500 RPM OK if I raised the RPM slowly under no load conditions. A number of things came to mind including carb icing, bad fuel with water from the in Moab cheapo fuel station causing fuel system icing (It was cold on that hill plus running on compression long term tends to cool down an engine), fuel filter clogging and fuel fouling of the plugs (The carb is jetted very slightly rich at sea level, it is unknown cheapo gas and the plugs were almost 3 years old). I limped to a commercial camp ground South of town where I worked on my Rover during previous years and is dog friendly and checked in. Drove down to the local BAP/GON and stand in line with everyone else trying to fix their 4X4, got a new set of plugs, cap & rotor (I have let my spares pile go down). At camp replaced the plugs (which looked well used but not fouled), the cap & rotor, examined the ignition connections opened the fuel line & pumped some fuel through on the starter motor just to make sure there was a nice flow, removed the top of the carb & looked for crud in the bowls & float valves and replaced the fuel filter. (I had put a new air in about 3 days earlier). I was baffled and decided it had to be the ignition. I did not have a volt meter with me not my ignition schematic (both high on my list now). SO I got an appointment at a local garage to have it checked by an ignition expert. He looked at it and thought my junk yard module was bad. $75 later a new one was added. No help. Bummer, but I had a spare backup module again. The mechanic decided that it must be the resistance wire acting up and the system not getting enough voltage as he only measured about 6 volts at the coil input. The engine tried to start when the starter motor was turning and bypassing the wire and died when I got off the starter motor and power went through the wire. Did I mention that the problem got worse and the engine did not even start unless the resistance wire was bypassed and even then it would not run much above idle? He ordered a new wire which required overnight delivery. SO I camped one night in downtown Moab next door to the tyre place. Talk about hundreds of 4X4s dragging the main for endless hours during the night. Next morning the wire arrived I borrowed an ohm meter & noticed both new & old wire had the same resistance. While the mechanic was away I thought I would try a extra middle distributor high tension wire they had. When I unplugged the wire from the not quite two year old aftermarket coil a clear fluid poured out of the coil. Bad coil. $40 later and I was back on the road looking for the next trail and had a small voltmeter and spare coil on my need to purchase for trips list. #3 I stayed out one day too long and had to do some long distance driving to get back home by rent day. Late in the afternoon I stopped by a gas station. The kind with a separate pump hose for each grade of fuel. Regular was at the left end of the panel. I grabbed the leftmost hose, pushed the left most button for regular fuel and proceeded to put 19 gallons of diesel into the rear tank and about 8 into the right front tank. Like I said I was tired and in a hurry. Ford small block petrol engines do not run well on a mixture of 4 parts diesel to 1 part petrol. It took about a mile of driving to work the mixture up through the lines and into the carb..puff knock puff. I turned around and went back to the station to get satisfaction for their crappy gas. As I passed the pumps I read the sign diesel right next to the hose. Not mater what grade of gas you punch into the panel you only get diesel out of the diesel hose. The station manager mentioned that that happens to someone about once a month. Oh well. I still had a tank with about 3 gallons of petrol and no diesel. I switched that tank. Next removed my canister fuel filter and dumped the diesel and new filter and bummed petrol to fill it from someone pumping gas. My fuel filter holds about a quart of gas. I purchased some either started and fired the engine up a couple times on the starter fluid to get the diesel pumped out. The engine ran REAL smoky for a couple minutes then acted fine. I drove to a local towing/ mechanic place and traded them 18 gallons of diesel that went into my dry rear tank for pumping it out. I came home on my rear and left front tanks. At home I siphoned out the 12 gallons of mixed fuels into some Jerry cans. I figure it will work OK to clean parts. #4 Somewhere along the line late in the trip switching the selectro hubs between locked and freewheel I managed to pop over the detent. The hub reads locked, is in fact unlocked and the the adjustor will not turn. I found myself thinking I broke yet another front axle until I pulled the freewheels to find out which it was. SO I did the last of my trailing in 2WD. Trying to fix or replace the hub is high on my current To-DO list. #5 I experienced a tire rod end problem over new years right after getting on pavement after Majove. I made a field repair and forgot to follow up afterwards to look at things closely. I noticed some highway steering instabilities at highway speeds (70 MPH @ 3200 RPM!). A check after getting back told me on no uncertain terms that it is time to save up for a full set of tie rod ends before the next long highway drive. So for now it is 2WD only and don't stress the tie rod ends. Oh and I got all this great parts cleaning solution to clean parts with. Poor maintenence and being uprepaired I deserved everything that happened. It reminded me that I had got sloppy over the years. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Thu Apr 25 17:07:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PL7qu12589 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:07:52 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:07:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200204252107.g3PL7pQ12585@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo-Potluck Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > > not even beer or wine. And definitely not Scotch. Any > > Scotch that shows up would probably be confiscated by > > Bruce, Granny, or Gerry, as they are really serious about > > keeping things on the straight and narrow. > > Absolutely! In fact, only distilled water may be consumed. > > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] except for the teaspoon of 90wt for first timers! john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens Thu Apr 25 17:08:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PL87w12604 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:08:07 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:08:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200204252108.g3PL87v12600@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Matt Wilson To: "Mendo_Recce (E-mail)" Subject: big tires, speedo calibration, and i hope i make it to Mendo Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, Just returned from the tire store, I bought 235/85 R16 Cooper STT's I know I said I was going to get the 245's but.... The little kid in me said Matty step up and get the big tires. So driving back from the store to work I'm on the freeway Speedo reads 65, brake lights ahead, not a panic stop but slowing pretty quick, Man the truck wanders under braking, it actually wanders a lot a speed. Any way you really have to pay attention to what you're doing..... I don't think I'll be playing with the radio, drinking coffee and talking on the cell phone all at once. So list Suggestions? I'm running 40 psi of air in the tires should I increase or decrease? Also how much slower is the speedometer actually reading? I'm thinking Terri Ann has some chart that will tell me, unfortunately I have a drawing package to get out before Mendo and don't have time to search for it. Matt W From bens Thu Apr 25 17:28:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PLSpl12718 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:28:51 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:28:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200204252128.g3PLSpS12714@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: big tires, speedo calibration, and i hope i make it to Mendo Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Matt Wilson wrote: > brake lights ahead, not a panic stop but slowing pretty > quick, Man the truck > wanders under braking, it actually wanders a lot a speed. > Any way you really > have to pay attention to what you're doing..... I don't > think I'll be > playing with the radio, drinking coffee and talking on > the cell phone all at > once. no comment there! ;-) > > So list Suggestions? I'm running 40 psi of air in the > tires should I > increase or decrease? suggest lowering teh tire pressure......to see if it helps...not shure what is normal psi for that size... ...and maybe getting the alignment checked? Depending on what you are calling wandering, the Disco tends to do this on braking a bit, but I am so used to it (come to think of it with the 265-75's I don't think it does anymore, and Elgie still has a questionable frame alignment so I am just used to these things... Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From bens Thu Apr 25 17:58:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PLwq312872 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:58:52 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:58:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200204252158.g3PLwqZ12868@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Range Rover Tires Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Glad to hear these tires are better than they looked in the (poor quality) pictures I saw! Cheers John Kevin Kelly wrote: > John B. wrote: > > >I guess nowadays if you take a Classic into the "rigid" > tire > >shops they will only sell you that abomination of a tire > called > >a Michelin Synchrone or something -- looking at it on a > website > >the other day I was appalled at how the original concept of [ 15 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Apr 25 18:00:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PM01e12930 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:00:01 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:00:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200204252200.g3PM00C12920@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendocino Not-A-Rallye Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I plan to come up on Sat morning too. Cheers John Granville Pool wrote: > Paul, > > > I had been planning on heading up 101, but suddenly drew a > > blank on the way there from 101 myself too. oops! ;-) > > Do you want directions? There are many routes you can take from 101. > > I expect that I'll most likely come up Saturday morning because I assume > that Bennett (and maybe Deven) will come with me and Bennett will have to [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Apr 25 18:45:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PMjD013226 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:45:13 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:45:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200204252245.g3PMjCC13222@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendocino Not-A-Rallye / package needs delivery Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org casey, Paul took care of it thanks, fil >From: Casey McMullen >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: >Subject: Re: Mendocino Not-A-Rallye / package needs delivery >Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:00:01 -0400 > >Fil and Paul (and Granny), > >I am on digest mode and didn't get this message until now. I live and work [ 15 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Thu Apr 25 19:36:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PNaSo13485 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:36:28 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:36:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200204252336.g3PNaSF13481@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Roger Sinasohn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Have fun at Mendo! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I won't be able to make it; I've got a new Land Rover accessory to play with: . Have a great time, though! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From bens Thu Apr 25 19:44:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3PNiBe13520 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:44:11 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:44:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200204252344.g3PNiBx13516@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Have fun at Mendo! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Roger Sinasohn wrote: > > I won't be able to make it; I've got a new Land Rover > accessory to play > with: . Have a great > time, though! Congratulations Roger and Rachael! ......but who is that almost familiar looking clean-shaven un-spectacled man in teh photos? ;-) Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From bens Thu Apr 25 20:07:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3Q07cZ13633 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:07:38 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:07:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200204260007.g3Q07bC13629@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Mendo prep Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well...no cruise control for me yet: Spend 3 hours trying to remove the steering shaft to replace the rubber coupling, only to determine that the only way to do it, is to remove the steering box. I DID fix the drivers' side windshield washer jets, and I have oil to change the existing stuff in the engine. No time to touch the cruise control, since I'm heading to the SO's place this eve. Will also stop at a LR dealer along the way, to get a air cleaner: after hearing all the talk about K&N's, it dawns on me that I have one. I'll meander upto the campsite Saturday morning: if somebody gets stranded between Sacramento and there between tomorrow morning and Saturday, my cellphone number is 310-704-5270. Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Thu Apr 25 20:08:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3Q081T13648 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:08:01 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:08:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200204260008.g3Q081d13644@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Have fun at Mendo! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Congratulations Roger!! Cheers John Roger Sinasohn wrote: > I won't be able to make it; I've got a new Land Rover accessory to play > with: . Have a great time, though! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- > > Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad > roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." > Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates > San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From bens Thu Apr 25 20:34:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3Q0YrO13769 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:34:53 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:34:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200204260034.g3Q0Yr913765@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Granny To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #726 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bill wrote: > Gee, I feel real bad about my wanton and reckless behavior. I was planning > on donating a bottle of single malt as my wife is not coming and I can't > cook worth a damn. I must have misjudged all you guys. Mayhap you did not... Granny From bens Thu Apr 25 21:41:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3Q1f1114144 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:41:01 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:41:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200204260141.g3Q1f0i14140@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Roger Sinasohn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Have fun at Mendo! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 07:44 PM 4/25/02 -0400, you wrote: >......but who is that almost familiar looking clean-shaven >un-spectacled man in teh photos? ;-) That would be the midwife that delivered Jared. (If you're looking for me, I'm the one in the black sweatshirt. 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From bens Thu Apr 25 22:13:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3Q2DWG14301 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:13:32 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:13:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200204260213.g3Q2DWT14297@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher H. Dow" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Springs and shocks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Actually, I meant to practice good scientific method and change one variable at a time, but I was in a rush. I both aligned my steering *and* installed the OME shocks. After both of these modifications, the vehicle's steering behaves properly, and the leans on corners feel much better. Bill mentioned that he thought I had installed MD OME springs, but that's not the case. I put heavy duty springs on the 110 right before I went up to get the Airstream in Sequim, WA. I wanted to make sure that I didn't turn the beast into a low rider when the trailer was on it. I was worried about this because it sagged in the butt quite a bit when all nine seats were filled with adults during brief lunch sorties. I have no issues with Bill's recommendation of OME MD springs with Bilstein shocks. I can't comment on it, since I've never tried it. I do not recommend OME HD springs with the Bilsteins that were on the truck when I got it. BP did recommend that I not do that combintion, and I must say it didn't feel right when cornering even before I buggered the track rod and thus the alignment last Summer. C Jason Pipes wrote: >I'm sorry, I don't mean to debate this issue, I'm not even a very great at >this mechanical stuff, I'm learning as I go... BUT, yes, I vistited Chris >this past weekend after he replaced his shocks to all OME and now his >steering handles significantly better. Those are his words. He later changed >his tie rod as well, but before that he mentioned his steering was much >improved. > From bens Thu Apr 25 22:13:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3Q2DvJ14318 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:13:57 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:13:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200204260213.g3Q2DvQ14314@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Have fun at Mendo! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Roger Sinasohn wrote: > > At 07:44 PM 4/25/02 -0400, you wrote: > >......but who is that almost familiar looking > clean-shaven > >un-spectacled man in teh photos? ;-) > > That would be the midwife that delivered Jared. (If > you're looking for > me, I'm the one in the black sweatshirt. 8^) OOPS!!!!! ;-) I didn't look very closely obviously! somehow I guess I'm the laughingstock of the Sinasohn house today, huh? paul (red-faced!) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From bens Thu Apr 25 23:03:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3Q33mb14671 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 23:03:48 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 23:03:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200204260303.g3Q33lh14667@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Have fun at Mendo! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Hey, congrats on the new Rover! >I won't be able to make it; I've got a new Land Rover accessory to play >with: . Have a great time, though! > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- O- > >Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad >roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." >Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Fri Apr 26 00:22:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3Q4Mvt15978 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 00:22:57 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 00:22:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200204260422.g3Q4MuU15974@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bruce Bonar To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo Hams Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org As Morgan mentioned earlier a repeater that has good coverage in the mendo area is in Maxwell. I believe the freq is 147.045 +, pl 156.7. Mt. Diablo is great for the convoy up and around the entire Bay Area but you'll lose contact south of Williams due to the curvature of the earth. You'll regain contact as you climb towards Cedar Camp except for the shadows from the canyons and mountains. My suggestions: Mt. Diablo W6CX 147.060 MHz + PL 100Hz for convoy assembly and inter convoy communication 146.500 simplex for convoy and camp communication Maxwell K6NMZ 147.045 +, pl 156.7hz for mendo communication to backup simplex One update for the ham listing. Stephanie is now AE6AS. Bruce KF6QBF Kevin Kelly wrote: > Eric asked about the Mendo Ham Freq. > > A few years back Ben Mitchell posted: > > "As for frequencies, I propose we establish 146.500 as the > "mendo simplex frequency". That's what we used for the > twistoff and it worked well enough. In the event that that > frequency is in use by non-mendo people, try 146.505. > ("Alternate mendo simplex frequency") [ 50 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Apr 26 00:29:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3Q4TQG16008 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 00:29:26 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 00:29:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200204260429.g3Q4TPD16004@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Another Real All-Terrain Tire, was Re: Range Rover Tires Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Okay, I'll admit it. These are only for modified Range Rovers and Discoveries (because of limited size availability) and for Defenders. Having said that, I'd call this the latest true all-terrain tire. It's pretty much our dream of a well-siped mud-terrain tire. Check out http://www.intercotire.com/html/trxus_mt_sts.htm Granny From bens Fri Apr 26 00:30:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3Q4UHk16037 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 00:30:17 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 00:30:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200204260430.g3Q4UFD16033@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bruce Bonar To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo Hams Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm sure you're right Gerry. The problem is making time to do it. I'm sure QST would be interested in an article on the NCRC Comm support of the Friends of the Rubicon trail repair, complete with pictures, but I never managed to get it written for the newsletter (inspite of Rob's best efforts). I'm still hoping someone will get us organized, and equipped, to do APRS. I'm ready to install the set up if someone else tells me exactly what to get and how to wire it. Being the lazy bugger (tm) I am I'll never do it otherwise. A fully APRS equipped Land Rover expedition or rally, now there's a story I want to see in a national Ham journal and a LR magazine as well. Bruce KF6QBF Gerry Elam wrote: > FWIW, I find it amazing that so many Mendonites are hams now. It is truly > impressive that folks took the time and effort to get licensed. > > If anyone wants to take pictures of the outing and write up a short article > for ARRL, I'm sure the magazine would print it and PAY you for it. It's > unique enough to feature especially if you want to feature the Series > vehicles. > > Cheers, [ 15 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Apr 26 00:46:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3Q4k2916240 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 00:46:02 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 00:46:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200204260446.g3Q4k2S16236@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: Another Real All-Terrain Tire Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was specifically referring to the TrXus Mud Terrain. There's another tire on the page that doesn't come in sizes of much use to most of us. Granny From bens Fri Apr 26 00:49:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3Q4nLo16260 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 00:49:21 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 00:49:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200204260449.g3Q4nLT16256@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Mendocino Question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just curious, does anyone have an air compressor? Brian ---------------------------------- http://www.roverme.org Land Rover Community, Links and Email Services From bens Fri Apr 26 00:53:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3Q4r9I16296 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 00:53:09 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 00:53:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200204260453.g3Q4r9O16292@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: Mendocino Question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Brian Horner asked: > Just curious, does anyone have an air compressor? Several do, I'm sure. I'm bringing my TruckAir. Granny From bens Fri Apr 26 03:07:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3Q77P816916 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 03:07:25 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 03:07:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200204260707.g3Q77PK16912@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Another Real All-Terrain Tire, was Re: Range Rover Tires Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Granny, The tires I see there are all 6-8- & 10 ply. They would ride pretty stiff! Bob B At 09:29 PM 4/25/2002, you wrote: >Okay, I'll admit it. These are only for modified Range Rovers and >Discoveries (because of limited size availability) and for Defenders. >Having said that, I'd call this the latest true all-terrain tire. It's >pretty much our dream of a well-siped mud-terrain tire. Check out >http://www.intercotire.com/html/trxus_mt_sts.htm > > >Granny From bens Fri Apr 26 03:17:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3Q7HPf16977 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 03:17:25 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 03:17:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200204260717.g3Q7HPJ16973@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: last minute mendo planning stuff... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Paul, If the tall skinny ones are close in diameter to the fat ones, you can use a tall skinny one for a spare. And mount it on the hood too! The main concern about different tire sizes with the 4WD is the diameter. Bob B At 11:03 AM 4/25/2002, you wrote: >I just hefted the beast up to the hood, and it's just >waaaay to thich to run up there as I will not be able to >see ANYTHING! ;-( >Now trying to decide if I can gt some steel together in >time, and weld up a rear mount ala the d-90's? I could >always run w/o a spare, or use one of my smaller tires as >an emergency, but that'd not be too smart.....maybe I >should put on the taller skinier ones? gotta measure to >see if they are really any better on the hood....hmmmm From bens Fri Apr 26 04:00:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3Q80eX17143 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 04:00:40 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 04:00:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200204260800.g3Q80eQ17139@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Have fun at Mendo! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > I won't be able to make it; I've got a new Land Rover accessory to play > with: . Have a great time, though! Congrads! Looks Like We'll be in the same boat in a bit! TomW > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- > > Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad > roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." > Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates > San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Apr 26 09:21:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3QDLt618486 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:21:55 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:21:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200204261321.g3QDLtV18482@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: last minute mendo planning stuff... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >If the tall skinny ones are close in diameter to the fat ones, you can use >a tall skinny one for a spare. And mount it on the hood too! The main >concern about different tire sizes with the 4WD is the diameter. That is exactly what I do. I have a real skinny 32" dia mud tyre on the bonnet. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Fri Apr 26 09:32:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3QDWVr18564 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:32:31 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:32:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200204261332.g3QDWVw18560@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Scotty Adapter & Engine for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have for sale one Scotty Adapter that is presently attached to a nice condition Chevy 6. Clutch, engine and adapter For Sale! I bought the engine with thoughts of putting it into my project but the required bulkhead trimming turned me away from the plan. The whole thing is sitting in L.A. and I'll listen to any reasonable offers of cash or parts. RW -- "Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail. Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying,'Dude, that was awesome!" From bens Fri Apr 26 10:20:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3QEKhO18866 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:20:43 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:20:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200204261420.g3QEKho18862@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: SWR Meter/Mendo Convoy Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If anyone coming to Mendo has a SWR (Standing Wave Ratio) Meter I would love to borrow it for a few minutes this weekend to tune my CB Antenna. I'll be at the Denny's parking lot in Emeryville (just off 80 at the Powell exit) at 1:00 PM if anyone else wants to join us. We will probably stop by the Black Oak an hour later to see if we find any Land Rovers. Kevin From bens Fri Apr 26 10:30:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3QEU0I18951 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:30:00 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:29:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200204261429.g3QETx018943@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo Hams Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200204260430.g3Q4UFD16033@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > I'm still hoping someone will get us organized, and equipped, to do APRS. I' > ready to install the set up if someone else tells me exactly what to get and > how to wire it. Being the lazy bugger (tm) I am I'll never do it otherwise. > A fully APRS equipped Land Rover expedition or rally, now there's a story I > want to see in a national Ham journal and a LR magazine as well. If people remember back into the dim mists of time (1995 or 1996so), you might remember when I brough a pal from China Lake, Jan Barglowski, to a New Idria Surpentine Barrons trip. He had two hams radios hooked up to do APRS. I think we tossed one into the spare of Tipper. We were ourselves and the other LRs positions on a map and a laptop the whole trip. As I recall the maps were limited to 3000 points so they were a bit limited in scope. Ben From bens Fri Apr 26 11:11:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3QFBUk19403 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:11:30 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:11:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200204261511.g3QFBUP19399@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: Have fun at Mendo! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Tom wrote: > Congrads! Looks Like We'll be in the same boat in a bit! Dude, that was awesome! Granny From bens Fri Apr 26 12:30:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3QGUxF20192 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:30:59 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:30:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200204261630.g3QGUwP20188@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Another Real All-Terrain Tire, was Re: Range Rover Tires Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Thursday, April 25, 2002, at 09:29 PM, Granville Pool wrote: > Okay, I'll admit it. These are only for modified Range Rovers and > Discoveries (because of limited size availability) and for Defenders. > Having said that, I'd call this the latest true all-terrain tire. It's > pretty much our dream of a well-siped mud-terrain tire. Check out > http://www.intercotire.com/html/trxus_mt_sts.htm > Those look rather interesting! They only have a 2-ply sidewall but claim the each ply is thicker/stronger than Goodyear/BFG and so come out to about the same strength - I'm guessing that means they aren't quite as strong, but close. Read a bunch of reviews - most everyone is very happy with them. Highway ride/noise is reasonable and mud/snow traction excellent. Also seemed to do well on rock, although it seemed people had written more about mud/snow adventures so it's kinda hard to tell. Nothing like getting to see a tire actually perform or read a review where you know the reviewer or location... Oh, they're also cheap(er) - about $112/tire for 235/85/R16 or 255/85R16. Shannon From bens Fri Apr 26 13:01:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3QH1tN20548 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:01:55 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:01:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200204261701.g3QH1sm20544@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Freeman, Ben" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Adaptor for Iron Duke- Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Someone in the last week asked me were they could find an adaptor to fit the Mercury engine into a Land Rover. I seem to recall something mentioned about this some time ago? Anyone recall were to get one? So I can recall who asked and pass it on to them..lol Happy Rovering Ben From bens Fri Apr 26 13:05:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3QH5oA20581 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:05:50 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:05:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200204261705.g3QH5oj20577@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: 110 tire and tubes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org When I bought my 110 it had 265/75R16 BFG MTs on it with no tubes (sold those tires to Granny-- hope you are enjoying them?). When I switched to the 7.50R16 Cooper CTDs I opted for tubes. Over the ensuing 4 years I've had a couple flats. Tire shops mangled the tube on tire removal in one case, and the tube was damaged by the flat in another. In both cases I deleted the tubes. So I have two wheels with tubes and two without. Air leakage thru the rim is not an issue (for me at least). A downside to tubes is that if you pick up a nail or a screw in the tire, that sucker goes flat almost instantaneously. No such thing as a slow leak with tubes! I'll be tube-free with the next set of tires. Cheers. Blair From bens Fri Apr 26 13:14:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3QHE5Z20664 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:14:05 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:14:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200204261714.g3QHE5t20660@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Another Real All-Terrain Tire, was Re: Range Rover Tires Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yes I do like this design -- nice having siping too. I have been waiting for them to come out with 245/75 but I don't think they will! However they should work really well for folks using slightly bigger sizes or 15 inch wheels. Cheers John Granville Pool wrote: > Okay, I'll admit it. These are only for modified Range Rovers and > Discoveries (because of limited size availability) and for Defenders. > Having said that, I'd call this the latest true all-terrain tire. It's > pretty much our dream of a well-siped mud-terrain tire. Check out > http://www.intercotire.com/html/trxus_mt_sts.htm > > Granny From bens Fri Apr 26 13:14:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3QHEID20679 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:14:18 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:14:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200204261714.g3QHEIP20675@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendocino Question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yes Cheers John Brian Horner wrote: > Just curious, does anyone have an air compressor? > > Brian > ---------------------------------- > http://www.roverme.org > Land Rover Community, Links and Email Services From bens Fri Apr 26 13:23:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3QHNKq20766 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:23:20 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:23:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200204261723.g3QHNKM20762@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: TW Re: Adaptor for Iron Duke- Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Ben, BTW, The engine in question is not a Ford/Mercury, It is a Kiekhaffer/Mercury I/O, made by GM. The Scotty adapter for chevy is what he wants. Scotty still has them and TeriAnn is the contact. Bob B At 10:01 AM 4/26/2002, you wrote: >Someone in the last week asked me were they could find an adaptor to fit the >Mercury engine into a Land Rover. I seem to recall something mentioned about >this some time ago? Anyone recall were to get one? So I can recall who asked >and pass it on to them..lol > >Happy Rovering >Ben From bens Fri Apr 26 13:44:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3QHis520938 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:44:54 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:44:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200204261744.g3QHisQ20934@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Range Rover Tires Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Matt wrote: >So list Suggestions? I'm running 40 psi of air in the tires >should I increase or decrease? Land Rover recommends 28 psi front, 38 psi rear for the NAS Range Rover Classic. After trying over a dozen different combinations I've been running 29 psi front 39 psi rear (44 psi rear with a heavy load) for years. Kevin From bens Fri Apr 26 13:53:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3QHrwI21027 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:53:58 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:53:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200204261753.g3QHrwq21023@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter M Hope" To: Subject: Re: Range Rover Tires Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Land Rover recommends 28 psi front, 38 psi rear for the NAS > Range Rover Classic. After trying over a dozen different > combinations I've been running 29 psi front 39 psi rear (44 > psi rear with a heavy load) for years. I might have missed the total original question, but this seems incrediably high for the rear pressure. Is this towing or something? I understand the increase for a heavy load, but are you running 29/39 f/r around town all the time? Is the rear axle weight greater then the front when empty? Pete From bens Fri Apr 26 14:14:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3QIE9121209 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:14:09 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:14:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200204261814.g3QIE9n21205@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 110 tire and tubes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Friday, April 26, 2002, at 10:05 AM, Blair Peterson wrote: > A downside to tubes is that if you pick up a nail or a screw in the > tire, that sucker goes flat almost instantaneously. No such thing as a > slow leak with tubes! I'll be tube-free with the next set of tires. > Hmmm, I didn't that. Have had two flats on these tires, both times small nail. Wasn't around to see it go flat though. Would seem to be a strong argument against tubes! I had thought that if the rim and tire are able to hold air, then a tube failure just fill up the tire itself, which would hopefully hold air as best as it can (the said nail taken into account)? Or is there something else that's different that causes the excessive flattage? Thanks! Shannon From bens Fri Apr 26 14:20:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3QIK3J21278 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:20:03 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:20:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200204261820.g3QIK3w21274@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Field and Range Extinguishers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 11 lines filtered. ] Fire extinguishment in the regions we wish we were traversing with our rovers is a serious issue. As much as personal safety is concerned, Dave Gomes has my idea of the right priorities. Get the folks out, and then see what you can do. As far as added means, to the preferred dry chemical extinguisher, the people who work in the (remote) forests, and ranches mostly have a five gallon trombone sprayer with backpack straps rolling around in the back of the truck. This has the advantage of being portable, and working as ones water reserve for equipment and animals. First response by civilians in remote areas has put out many a fire, but seldom by spraying it. The general routine is to wet burlap sacks, and beat the small grass fires out, before they become large. That's why we carry old sacking, and shovels. If you won't wear your hardhat, I guess you don't have too much to lose. Zack From bens Fri Apr 26 14:37:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3QIbHv21469 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:37:17 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:37:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200204261837.g3QIbHZ21465@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Have fun at Mendo!/hams Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org hi all, have fun at mendo, btw, i was on the MT.Diablo repeater this am and talking to a ham in Antioch, he said there would be no problem reaching Fairfield and beyong esp if you have the 50 watts power, i was on my HT (5watts) today driving on the dumbarton bridge and was able to rx/tx 5/5, i'll try to be on air between 1pm and 3pm today and see if i can reach anybody on the convoy to mendo also congrats to uncle roger and tom and sarah!! 73, fil KG6HIQ _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Fri Apr 26 14:41:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3QIftV21506 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:41:55 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:41:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200204261841.g3QIftS21502@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Bill Burke coming to NorCal for NCRC Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 13 lines filtered. ] In a message dated 4/23/02 7:13:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kerner@vegmail.ucdavis.edu writes: > I especially need improvement in spotting other > vehicles. > They'd be the oncoming metal thingies with the headlights, horns, and driver wildly waving a single finger. You're welcome Rob. Zack From bens Fri Apr 26 14:42:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3QIgmN21546 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:42:48 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:42:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200204261842.g3QIgmp21542@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: I'm heading up to mendo! Yeahaaaaa! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org well....I'm finally off. will be heading up 101 to hwy 20 etc... Paul '66 88 P-up Elgie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From bens Fri Apr 26 15:51:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3QJpgX22003 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:51:42 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:51:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200204261951.g3QJpgZ21999@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Range Rover Tires Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I don't know why LR recommends these pressures but they seem to work well in a wide variety of conditions. I have used them in both my RRs with no problems. I guess the higher rear pressure is partly to allow for loaded conditions, but I have generally left the pressures at these settings all the time with no airing down or up usually needed. Peter M Hope wrote: > > Land Rover recommends 28 psi front, 38 psi rear for the NAS > > Range Rover Classic. After trying over a dozen different > > combinations I've been running 29 psi front 39 psi rear (44 > > psi rear with a heavy load) for years. > > I might have missed the total original question, but this seems incrediably > high for the rear pressure. Is this towing or something? > I understand the increase for a heavy load, but are you running 29/39 f/r > around town all the time? [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Apr 26 17:03:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3QL3N322732 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:03:23 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:03:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200204262103.g3QL3Nr22728@minbar.fourfold.org> From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Bill Burke coming to NorCal for NCRC Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey, thanks for the tip, Zack. I've never been able to spot other vehicles either. (Wonder if that's why my insurance rates are so darned high?) Craig Zaxcoinc@aol.com wrote: > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] > [ 13 lines filtered. ] > > In a message dated 4/23/02 7:13:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > kerner@vegmail.ucdavis.edu writes: > > > I especially need improvement in spotting other > > vehicles. [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Apr 26 17:21:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3QLLMc22925 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:21:22 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:21:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200204262121.g3QLLMU22921@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo Hams Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yup, I remember that well. Land Rovers on the cutting edge once again. :-) Bruce Benjamin Smith wrote: > In message <200204260430.g3Q4UFD16033@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > > > I'm still hoping someone will get us organized, and equipped, to do APRS. I' > > ready to install the set up if someone else tells me exactly what to get and > > how to wire it. Being the lazy bugger (tm) I am I'll never do it otherwise. > > A fully APRS equipped Land Rover expedition or rally, now there's a story I > > want to see in a national Ham journal and a LR magazine as well. > > If people remember back into the dim mists of time (1995 or 1996so), [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Apr 26 17:54:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3QLs9X23111 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:54:09 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:54:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200204262154.g3QLs9F23107@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Mendo Saturday? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi guys, I'll be leaving from SF Bay Area for Mendo on Saturday morning. probably early in the morining. Is anyone leaving on Saturday, too? maybe we can gather somewhere in Bay Area then head up to Cedar Camp. Charles Phu '99 DII _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Fri Apr 26 18:09:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3QM9kL23256 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:09:46 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:09:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200204262209.g3QM9kD23252@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Mendo Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Everyone have a good time and hoist a few for me, eh? I'm going to have to sit out this year. But I'll at least drive the 101 this weekend. Ben From bens Fri Apr 26 18:31:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3QMVf423367 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:31:41 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:31:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200204262231.g3QMVfv23363@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo Saturday? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, I'll probably be headed up Sat am, not sure what time. I'll be monitoring CB 7, 146.500 simplex, and 147.060 + pl 100 duplex White or Green D-90. Bruce charles chuan-chen phu wrote: > Hi guys, > > I'll be leaving from SF Bay Area for Mendo on Saturday morning. probably > early in the morining. Is anyone leaving on Saturday, too? maybe we can > gather somewhere in Bay Area then head up to Cedar Camp. > > Charles Phu > '99 DII > [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Apr 26 18:33:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3QMXoA23382 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:33:50 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:33:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200204262233.g3QMXoi23378@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Adaptor for Iron Duke- Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Someone in the last week asked me were they could find an adaptor to fit the >Mercury engine into a Land Rover. I seem to recall something mentioned about >this some time ago? Anyone recall were to get one? So I can recall who asked >and pass it on to them..lol > >Happy Rovering >Ben TeA is selling the new Scotty adapters and I have a used adapter attached to a Chevy 6 complete with all goodies and clutch that I'm selling. -- "Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail. Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying,'Dude, that was awesome!" From bens Sat Apr 27 02:53:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3R6rvt26468 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 02:53:57 -0400 Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 02:53:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200204270653.g3R6ruK26464@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Davis! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > How do folks feel about the integrated GPS, map, Navigation systems > that are available in new cars? > > cheers, Your welcome for the advice? TomW From bens Sat Apr 27 16:31:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3RKVFx29868 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:31:15 -0400 Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:31:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200204272031.g3RKVFJ29864@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: brake master end cap Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hiya, I bought a master cylinder rebuild kit, pulled everything out and apart but can not get the end cap off the master. I am supposed to remove it and replace a seal, but a vise and a long crescent wrench haven't budged it. Options: Penetrating oil time and heat. rebuild the piston end, forget the end cap, buy a new one Monday. What does the seal in the end cap do? It lets fluid into the bore from the reservoir when the pedal returns? Is that right? cheers, and no I'm not at Mendo, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Sat Apr 27 19:40:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3RNer430556 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:40:53 -0400 Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:40:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200204272340.g3RNeqR30552@minbar.fourfold.org> From: StevHutch@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Problems.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 25 lines filtered. ] EeeK! Sounds like a few of my trips.. I lost a coil on the Alcan once, my 88' wouldn't quite start so I did the usual check for fuel and spark at the plugs. Plugs had no spark , so then I checked the coil for spark it had a dull tiny yellow spark rather than a good blue big one...replaced it with a spare VW blue coil I had brought and was on my way. I once had a fuel disaster too...a diesel pump in New Mexico put 20 gal. of Unleaded into a U-haul I was driving...boy that didn't run too good. Costs me over $250 at uhaul , and I never did get that Chevron station to admit the misfilled ground tank. Oh, don't think I can get the truck to Mendo (in middle of a fuel system overhaul), but me and the family might just buzz up for the day Sat. in the station wagon. - Steve H. --- --- > Next morning the wire arrived I borrowed an ohm meter & noticed both new > & old wire had the same resistance. While the mechanic was away I > thought I would try a extra middle distributor high tension wire they > had. When I unplugged the wire from the not quite two year old > aftermarket coil a clear fluid poured out of the coil. > > Bad coil. $40 later and I was back on the road looking for the next > trail and had a small voltmeter and spare coil on my need to purchase for > From bens Sat Apr 27 23:32:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3S3WIY31448 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 23:32:18 -0400 Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 23:32:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200204280332.g3S3WIB31444@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: brake master end cap Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John, Charley Brown type right? (CB) I would put it in a vice and use a pipe wrench. Or if you don't have a pipe wrench, add a 3-4 ft. piece of pipe to the crescent wrench. There are two ways to put the wrench on the nut. One way will put less strain on the adjustable jaw. If you do add the pipe, try to turn the wrench to that direction. Bob B At 01:31 PM 4/27/2002, you wrote: >Hiya, > >I bought a master cylinder rebuild kit, pulled everything out and >apart but can not get the end cap off the master. I am supposed to >remove it and replace a seal, but a vise and a long crescent wrench >haven't budged it. > >Options: Penetrating oil time and heat. >rebuild the piston end, forget the end cap, [ 15 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Apr 28 14:04:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3SI49Q03929 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 14:04:09 -0400 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 14:04:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200204281804.g3SI49v03925@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Neil Andrews" To: "Mendo_Recce digest:" Subject: Non LR: Fuel Cell Car Kit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 53 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" I have an unused German version of this Fuel Cell Car Kit. I am selling = it on Ebay. http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1726127207=20 Although the manual is German, it has lots of diagrams that make it easy = to figure out. "This new Thames & Kosmos Fuel Cell Kit provides a playful introduction = to one of the most significant technologies of the 21st Century. With = this kit you can build a model car that actually runs on water! Pour in = the water and watch it separate into hydrogen and oxygen, forming a gas = to power your vehicle across the floor." Kit contains: Complete reversible fuel cell . Wire . Motor . Chassis . = Axle . Gas collector . 4 Wheels . Solar panel with support . Syringe . = Tube . Digital multimeter . Test tube . Protective goggles . Labels . = Bag of small parts for fuel cell . Bag of small electronic parts . = Comprehensive lab manual (Note: This manual is in German, not English, = but there are plenty of diagrams to help out!) with 30 experiments and = demonstrations Kit has been opened, but is unused. For more details visit Thames = Science. (Note regular price of US $150) From bens Sun Apr 28 16:27:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3SKRKG04920 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 16:27:20 -0400 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 16:27:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200204282027.g3SKRJH04916@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Back from Mendo Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cynthia and I got back from Mendo this morning... This was the smallest Mendo turnout in quite a while. I may just be used to the large turnouts of the past few years. If I were guess, I'd say there were approximately 20 trucks. This was definitely the year of the kids...Also many series.not Regent:( Cynthia and I got up to Ceder camp around 2:15 on Fri. Bill(Blue Series II Disco) was there. We actually saw him in Stonyford earlier. We set up the tent trailer, and immediately turned on the heat. It was cooooold. I have been at Ceder camp in the snow, and I'd say this was just as cold. I can't even guess how many people showed up Fri, but I didn't hear too many late comers. Fri. night was pretty chilly. I think i heard 32 mentioned. Sat. we drove up looking for snow, and there wasn't any, once at the top of goat mtn. we could see there was no snow on any of the peaks. Crystal ate, while I talked to a group entertaining a smaller trail on the Ham Radio. No substantial off roading for us, but then we were just out for a nice drive with the little one. Sat. night was a nice potluck, but it was pretty cold for Crystal out side the tent trailer, so we went to bed early. I was worried about battery, because the heater blower had been on quite a bit since Fri. Sure enough at about 3 AM. the battery gave up.(2nd battery will be purchased soon) 2 hours later Cynthia and Crystal asked to go home. So up at 5am and I got to practice taking down the tent trailer in the dark. Sorry to those I woke by starting the car, but Crystal asked to be warm. Also sorry I didn't get to say goodbye, except to those early risers. Still an excellent Mendo. -Rob From bens Mon Apr 29 00:07:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3T47bQ06965 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 00:07:37 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 00:07:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200204290407.g3T47at06961@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: Back from Mendo Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rob wrote: > Sorry to those I woke by starting the car, but Crystal asked to be warm. > Also sorry I didn't get to say goodbye, except to those early risers. No worries, mate! I was right next to you and not bothered at all. I was just sorry that you had to leave so early and miss out on all the good morning conviviality around the oh-so-chilly camp. Lots of morning campfires and lots of hot coffee! I was glad to see so many young ones there and was bummed that grandson Deven (born on the Saturday of the year 2000 Mendo) was not there with me! > Still an excellent Mendo. Indeed it was. John Brabyn and I had a splendid perambulation through the forest on our way to camp on Saturday. We got to take a trail that I'd always seen gated off in the past and now was quite open with no sign of gates. Remarkable considering trends to the contrary and that it goes through a burned area (the Fork Fire of a few years ago). The potluck was indeed fine, as always! I turned in about 12:30 AM and lots were still up visiting, despite the cold. Sunday, various groups headed off on their circuitous routes homeward, most trying to enjoy some trails on the way out. It was, as always, wonderful to mingle with all and sundry. I got to meet several new faces and see some old ones I'd not seen for a few years. We all missed the many regulars who couldn't make it this year--better luck next year, y'all! Blair, John, Eric, and I headed out the M-5 south to Hough Springs (which Blair and I enjoyed butchering with all the myriad possible pronunciations we could conjure). We spiced up that route with a bit of a detour via the Wilson Camp route. When we reached Bartlett Springs Road at Hough Springs, across from where we came out of North Fork Cache Creek, we saw a contingency of yahoos watching one of their kind trying to climb a very steep and loose trail in an older Ford Ranger pickemup that was much lifted and equipped with huge new Super Swamper Boggers, a front locker and rear spool. After repeated failed attempts, the driver had to accept the humiliation of having been bested by a similar but very beat up (had obviously enjoyed a roll-over in the past) Ranger with open diffs and smaller tires and less lift. Funny, I thought. I followed the Kid-Rovers east on Bartlett Springs Road to Indian Valley Reservoir. I did so because I wanted to find the other leg of the Indian Ridge trail that some of us took outbound a couple of years ago. It was purported to be the easy route. I hoped so, as I had sent Rick Larson out that way in his great beast of a van (neat, really neat bumpers, Rick!). The connection of that trail appears on some map I've seen as by a boat ramp. I saw no boat ramp anywhere. When I'd reached the long bridge over an inlet of the reservoir, I figured I had gone too far. I'd seen a couple of inconspicuous trails back a way so went back to check them out. Sure nuf, they were two entrances to that very trail I was seeking. They are just east of what appears to be a small milepost sign on the south side of Bartlett Springs Road. The sign looks like this: 2 6 .5 I take that to mean that it's 26.5 miles from where Bartlett Springs Road leaves Highway 20, just east of Nice. Sounds about right. Although the entrances to the trail don't look like they'd lead to a particularly well-maintained route, in fact, the trail is a decent road that should well suit a Freelander driven by a newbie. This would probably be a pretty accessible route in wetter years, when some of the other routes from the west are too difficult due to high water (no water crossings at all on this route). It's used by locals to haul their dirt bikes and ATVs up to the Mendo trailheads. Even discounting its lack of creek crossings, it's gotta be a much more reliable route than the M-5 from Hough Springs. Too bad we didn't all know about it a few years ago when the M-5's impassability thwarted so many of us! I drove all the way up to the junction with the branch we took outbound a couple of years ago. I'd followed some ATVs and motorcycles up to there. They were sitting at the trail junction, resting, I suppose. I imagine they were a bit surprised to see where I was headed! I didn't want to return the bozo route I'd just come up so I headed down the gonzo branch. It was little changed from our journey past, except that it was a bit dryer. Those who took it before will perhaps recall that it has a steepish and very deeply rutted section toward the bottom. As I rounded the curve to start that section, I found my way blocked by that same nest of yahoos! I swear to you that they were sitting there, waiting for one of their number to heroically negotiate this highly challenging Special Stage, cameras at the ready. I got out and visited with those waiting their turn. One of them asked me, "How did you get here?" Hee-hee! I came all the way down from the top. He said, "Some of this is pretty gnarly, down here!" I said, "Oh, I've done it before, with a bunch of stock Land-Rovers." He said, "Oh." I followed a much lifted Bronco II that was equipped with the obligatory Big Meats. I was impressed that that beast had such good articulation, at least in the rear (front suspension on those is a hopeless case). He made the trail look very dramatic, indeed! I followed down, picking my way carefully and felt hardly any drama. It sure seemed easy from the driver's seat of a Range Rover, compared with the wanton display I'd seen ahead of me! By the time I got back to Bartlett Springs Road, I was really exhausted and beat a retreat for home. Next year, I think I want to go up that trail that I've now gone down twice. I hope some of you will be with me to join the fun! From bens Mon Apr 29 13:38:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3THc4T11895 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:38:04 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:38:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200204291738.g3THc4p11891@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: "mendo_recce@fourfold.org" Subject: Tire pressures Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org What pressures should I have in 245/70R16s on a RR Classic? The reason I ask is every time we drive the section of I-40 through Flagstaff, there are several bumps that set up axle vibrations that are not damped, and make the vehicle difficult to control. I have replaced all the suspension bushings, adjusted the swivel preload, adjusted the power steering box, and replaced all the shocks with Bilsteins. All these things helped, but it still misbehaves. It feels like the rear axle, but I can't be sure. It only happens at 65 mph or more. At 60, you barely feel the bumps. Also, I can drive the entire 150 mile length of I-17, plus I-10 from Phoenix to the New Mexico border without this happening. Thanks, James From bens Mon Apr 29 14:16:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3TIGqr12091 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 14:16:52 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 14:16:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200204291816.g3TIGph12087@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Back from Mendo Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Excellent report Granny, and thanks to everyone for a great Mendo weekend. It was good to see everyone -- sorry I had to leave on Saturday night. Granville's reporting on Sunday's travels gives another illustration of his uncanny ability to navigate by the "seat of the pants" through the whole Mendocino National Forest -- which skill I was priviledged to witness on our devious way to camp on Saturday. The only thing that stopped us that day was a trail that finally got too narrow for anything but a motorcycle, with a drop-off on one side and a bank on the other. The rest of it was all taken in stride in the effortless manner so eloquently described by Granny. That day too we overtook a "skyjacked" Toyota pickup clambering clumsily over the berms as we glided regally past. Superb scenery and views too. Thanks again to everyone Cheers John Granville Pool wrote: > Rob wrote: > > > Sorry to those I woke by starting the car, but Crystal asked to be warm. > > Also sorry I didn't get to say goodbye, except to those early risers. > > No worries, mate! I was right next to you and not bothered at all. I was > just sorry that you had to leave so early and miss out on all the good > morning conviviality around the oh-so-chilly camp. Lots of morning > campfires and lots of hot coffee! I was glad to see so many young ones [ 92 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Apr 29 14:58:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3TIw7p12406 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 14:58:07 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 14:58:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200204291858.g3TIw7h12401@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Jury Rig vs Jerry Rig, a Mendo debate Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry for posting this to the list, as it only involved about 10 people, but I don't have everyones email addresses to send this to! The debate was started on Sunday afternoon during a lunch break when trying to descibe Chris Dow's dashboard, which if you haven't seen it is a mess of wires and electronic gadgets, including a HAM, CB, GPS, and a Linux-based MP3 player! The word jerry rig/jury rig came up which was debated. Here are the facts: There are indeed two distinct words, jerry rig and jury rig (and many others too, like jerry-built). The term jury rig did not come from the act of rigging a jury, it came from the nautical world in 1788 and meant to make a temporary repair to keep a disabled ship sailing until it could make port. This form of the word jury is etymologically unrelated to the jury that sits in judgment at a trial. Jury rig is often used to emphasize the temporary nature of a solution and can imply an ingenious solution done with materials at hand. Jerry-built, on the other hand, is often used for a permanent, but poorly built, construction and has no positive connotation. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Mon Apr 29 15:12:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3TJCJ412493 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:12:19 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:12:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200204291912.g3TJCJg12489@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Ken Wallich To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: A couple Mendo pics Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It was great meeting so many people, Lewella (the green Disco) and I had a great time. Thanks to everyone for being so hospitable to a first-eventer! Didn't take many pics, but you can check 'em out anyway. http://homepage.mac.com/wallich/ Don't miss the Cedar Camp Panorama (link is at the top), and thanks to Paul for providing perspective. Also, Paul's 88 pickup isn't *that* tweeked, it was on an image seam. From bens Mon Apr 29 16:13:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3TKDC112971 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:13:12 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:13:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200204292013.g3TKDCJ12967@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher H. Dow" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Jury Rig vs Jerry Rig, a Mendo debate Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason Pipes wrote: >Sorry for posting this to the list, as it only involved about 10 people, but >I don't have everyones email addresses to send this to! > >The debate was started on Sunday afternoon during a lunch break when trying >to descibe Chris Dow's dashboard, which if you haven't seen it is a mess of >wires and electronic gadgets, including a HAM, CB, GPS, and a Linux-based >MP3 player! > Ahem. Is taking a 1->3 lighter adpapter and putting only appoved OEM (Garmin & Ericsson) 12v power cords into it and then routing them to approved OEM GPS & phone mounts considered jury rigging? Granted, unlike Blair, I have yet to overcome my fear of the 110 dashboard, but it's not like these were cheap items! There is no chewing gum or bailing wire (there, however, velcro) involved here. The HAM even has its wires tucked away. Oh, yeah, and one of wires which makes that look untidy is the RS232 going to the computer for downloading routes into the GPSIII+. :-) >The word jerry rig/jury rig came up which was debated. > >Here are the facts: > >There are indeed two distinct words, jerry rig and jury rig (and many others >too, like jerry-built). > >The term jury rig did not come from the act of rigging a jury, it came >from the nautical world in 1788 and meant to make a temporary repair to keep [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] The tie rod fix (high-lift sleave), then, was a brilliant jury rig, but I get no credit for that, since it was my failure to reinstall the bracket that caused me to need that one! >This form of the word jury >is etymologically unrelated to the jury that sits in judgment at a trial. >Jury rig is often used to emphasize the temporary nature of a solution and >can imply an ingenious solution done with materials at hand. Jerry-built, on >the other hand, is often used for a permanent, but poorly built, construction >and has no positive connotation. > Can you site referrences for these definitions :-)? C From bens Mon Apr 29 16:19:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3TKJ9N13015 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:19:09 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:19:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200204292019.g3TKJ8h13011@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Mendo Pictures ;o) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi gang, The trip was great fun...... but cold. It was great meeting you all finally and look forward to seeing you all again soon. I tried hard to remember everyones name but missed a few when labeling the pictures. Please let me know if you see anyone labeled incorrectly or not named at all. http://pictures.loonie.com/view_album.php?page=1 Special thanks: Special thanks to Chris & Leslie and the rest of the Dow family for the extra gas and escort out of the Forest. ;o) Jeremy Bartlett for taking us on a great trail ride and Kevin Kelly for getting us to Cedar Camp and giving Angus a cool looking football thingie! Also thank you to everyone that helped collect wood and keep the fires going. Brian Red Series III 88" ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.roverme.org Land Rover Community, Links and Email Services From bens Mon Apr 29 16:36:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3TKacN13170 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:36:38 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:36:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200204292036.g3TKacm13166@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: "Mendo Recce List" Subject: Re: Mendo Pictures ;o) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Brian Horner wrote > finally and look forward to seeing you all again soon. I tried hard to > remember everyones name but missed a few when labeling the pictures. > Please let me know if you see anyone labeled incorrectly or not named at > all. The "some super nice guy that I can't remember his name to save my life who loaned Michele a pair of gloves that stopped her from complaining" is Tony McCauley. And, you're right. He is super nice! Your photos remind me to mention how gratifying it was to see so many nice Series Rovers at Mendo! I was also gratified at the number of properly used Range Rovers on hand! Granny From bens Mon Apr 29 19:54:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3TNsYY14414 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 19:54:34 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 19:54:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200204292354.g3TNsYr14410@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: A couple Mendo pics Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Great panorama photo Ken! Cheers John Ken Wallich wrote: > It was great meeting so many people, Lewella (the green Disco) and I had a > great time. Thanks to everyone for being so hospitable to a first-eventer! > > Didn't take many pics, but you can check 'em out anyway. > > http://homepage.mac.com/wallich/ > > Don't miss the Cedar Camp Panorama (link is at the top), and thanks to > Paul for providing perspective. Also, Paul's 88 pickup isn't *that* [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Apr 30 00:43:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3U4hwY17285 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 00:43:58 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 00:43:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200204300443.g3U4hwA17281@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: jsbriggs@hotmail.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: WARNING! idler pulley failure Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, Sorry for the cross post but I wanted all my Rover V8 buddies to hear this. This afternoon the bearing in the idler pully failed/seized. The belt melted, elminating the fan and causing the engine to overheat massively. I caught it hopefully in time (I have been paranoid looking at guages ever since I blew up the 3.9 in Canada 2 years ago), but the guage was pegged when I looked down. This was in a LWB with a factory 4.2 engine. Luckily I had a spare belt and my tools (had just put them in at the shop), and a good friend who brought 5 gals of water (Ed Sanman to the rescue). Changed the belt on the freeway just after rush hour and started up the truck. Something didn't sound right and I'm staring at the pullys/belts wondering what's up. I noticed only after crawling under the engine (again!) that the idler pully wasn't turning. I decided I needed to get home so I ran the belt just rubbing over the pully. It will be replaced. Anyway, I get the unenviable task of replacing the idler pulley tomorrow. Looks like I'll get a spare to carry around in the future. FYI, the engine has just over 100K on it. I have only heard of one other idler pulley failure on a D90, but apparently they are becoming more common??? Dunno, but if I were planning to add spares to my kit I'd definitely get an idler pully assy. Just a thought... Michael PS There is a bright side. At least the pulley waited until my weekend of Hell was over to fail! _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Tue Apr 30 00:57:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3U4vB817361 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 00:57:11 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 00:57:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200204300457.g3U4vAF17357@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Missing Mendo :^( Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi all, Hearing of the exploits/mishaps brings back fond memories of the only Mendo I was able to attend. Hopefully with my move to Utah this summer I'll have some free time next year to attend (problem will be what truck to bring???). I guess I owe Granny a ride in the Serious One. ;) Glad you all had fun! Sorry I missed it (too damn busy doing 'important' stuff). Later, Michael _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Tue Apr 30 11:26:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3UFQJU20809 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 11:26:19 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 11:26:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200204301526.g3UFQJ920805@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Matt Wilson To: "Mendo_Recce (E-mail)" Subject: back from Mendo Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The Santa Barbara contingent, made it back from Mendo, What a great time! Granny, sounds like we should have waited for you! see you next year!! Matt W 73 series 3 "Rusty" 89 RR "Angus" Yes, it got a name, Angus is a strong British name, it reminds me of all the angst its put me trough all ready, and the angst yet to come.... From bens Tue Apr 30 13:42:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3UHgm822143 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:42:48 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:42:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200204301742.g3UHglT22139@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: back from Mendo Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Matt, Angus is also the name of our dog which sat next you at the bonfire on Saturday night - coincidence? Hmmmm, does this entitle us to royalties? Am I I possibly on a well deserved path to become independently wealthy? ;o) Brian On Tuesday, April 30, 2002, at 08:26 AM, Matt Wilson wrote: > > The Santa Barbara contingent, made it back from Mendo, > > What a great time! > > Granny, sounds like we should have waited for you! > > see you next year!! > [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.roverme.org Land Rover Community, Links and Email Services From bens Tue Apr 30 14:00:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3UI0Ud22257 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:00:30 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:00:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200204301800.g3UI0TN22253@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Matt Wilson To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: back from Mendo Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yeah, I knew your dogs name was Angus, I wasn't sure about naming my truck Angus until after your dog nipped my hand as I was walking over to the campfire. I took it as a sign...LOL In Angus the dogs defense, my hands probably smelled like Bacon On The Bone, man I made a pig of myself... next year, I promise a little more self control! As for me being a path to your being independently wealthy, I would keep looking...Grin Matt W -----Original Message----- From: Brian Horner [mailto:brian@roverme.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 10:43 AM To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: back from Mendo Matt, Angus is also the name of our dog which sat next you at the bonfire on Saturday night - coincidence? Hmmmm, does this entitle us to royalties? Am I I possibly on a well deserved path to become independently wealthy? ;o) Brian On Tuesday, April 30, 2002, at 08:26 AM, Matt Wilson wrote: > > The Santa Barbara contingent, made it back from Mendo, > > What a great time! > > Granny, sounds like we should have waited for you! > > see you next year!! > [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.roverme.org Land Rover Community, Links and Email Services From bens Tue Apr 30 16:10:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3UKA4m23240 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 16:10:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 16:10:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200204302010.g3UKA3x23236@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Lou Weinert" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Have fun at Mendo! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Congratulations! I'm six months into the same project that you've started. Currently I'm getting my ass kicked! But in a fun sort of way. I already miss that he's not a little, little baby. -Lou Weinert (I will go to Mendo one day. Maybe my Disco will be considered old school by then.) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Tue Apr 30 16:37:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3UKbrO23439 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 16:37:53 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 16:37:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200204302037.g3UKbrh23435@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: John Hong MIA? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Has anyone heard from John Hong? I'm suspect my contact information for him has expired and I'd like to get in touch with him. Please send any info off-list. Thanks. -->Jeff From bens Tue Apr 30 18:09:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3UM9Ui24120 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 18:09:30 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 18:09:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200204302209.g3UM9T824116@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: WARNING! idler pulley failure Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org IMHO, spares are for things that fail without warning and that you desire to work to failure. Idler pulley falls more into a PM category. Replace it every 75 or 80k, and save the weight and space on board. Just a thought. Bill Burke has taken to soaking his in light oil overnight a couple times a year to treat the bearing. Hose off the exterior with brake cleaner and reinstall in the morning. -Dave G. PS- I WILL get a hold of you one of these days for that Utah route! From bens Tue Apr 30 19:54:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3UNsg424664 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 19:54:42 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 19:54:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200204302354.g3UNsgf24660@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Volunteer Help in Mendocino N.F. needed! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This was posted to the NCRC site today, more info is available on the club website: Volunteer Help for Noise Study in Mendocino N.F. - May 5 and/or 6 As you probably know, the NCRC has formally adopted a trail in the Mendocino National Forest and has also volunteered for many other work details to maintain the local environment and restore the forest from major fires. In addition to keeping this area pristine, this work has kept trails open for OHV use and has caught the attention of the Washington D.C. OHV lobby. Volunteering for this sort of work is one of the most effective ways of helping the environment and keeping the trails open. Please consider putting in a little labor for a good cause. >From the Grindstone Ranger District: As an interested and concerned off-highway advocate, we are inviting you to participate in an exercise to measure the effects of OHV noise on Northern Spotted Owls. We have already completed phase 1 of this study. It is now time to actually harass some owls with OHVs. We will be traveling to nest sites in order to do this, and riding a variety of motorcycles within close proximity to owl nest sites. What we are looking for are volunteers that can work 5/5 and 5/6/02. You can volunteer for both days or one or the other day. Please confirm your attendance and vehicle type by e-mail or by calling Jeff Applegate or Matt Piper (contact info below). We will advise you of times and places to meet soon. Not only is this a chance to volunteer for a major research project, but our hopes are that it will answer the question once and for all, as to whether there are any adverse effects from OHV noise to this famous Threatened and Endangered bird. R.S.V.P. To: Jeff Applegate or Matt Piper Phone (530) 963-3128 When: Sun and/or Mon, May 5th-6th Where: Mendocino National Forest, Northern CA Contact: Bruce Bonar for more information ---- Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Apr 30 20:07:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g4107KB24763 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 20:07:20 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 20:07:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200205010007.g4107JF24759@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: John Hong MIA? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Maybe he was hired by the Feds? Kidnapped by aliens? Fell off the side of the Earth? Dunno...I'd presume that LRM has him too busy to look at emails not pertaining to that fine rag. Charles On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 16:37:53 -0400 Jeff Rogers writes: > > > > Has anyone heard from John Hong? I'm suspect my contact information > for him > has expired and I'd like to get in touch with him. Please send any > info > off-list. > [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Tue Apr 30 20:08:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g4108EF24780 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 20:08:14 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 20:08:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200205010008.g4108EI24776@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo Pictures ;o) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks, Granny! (I can't see the pics due to no Internet access, but I was one of 'em) I had a blast at Mendo - for once! I actually got there early, and spent the entire day with Jeremy's group of 5-6 trucks. The day was good, and had I planned a litter farther ahead, I would have stayed the night. Unfortunately I didn't, and so I had to leave before dark once again (my vision sometimes isn't what it should be). I was VERY suprised at what I was able to do with my Rangie, not so much because of fear to rip it to pieces or, lack of skill (I'm not a newbie, but I'm not an expert either), but because the truck did a few things that I feel it shouldn't have been able to do without lockers. (ie: making it around a sharply banked corner with opposite wheels on each axle 1 1/2 feet in the air - also getting myself out of a ditch in a similar manner!) Will be visiting Larry @ Four Oaks this week to see if he did anything to this truck that I'm not aware of, since both diffs had been out of it before I got my hands on it. While it wasn't my first time off-road, it was the first time I'd done anything serious with the Rangie, so it was much different (and "creature-comfortable"). But - I do wish I had Gillian there! Sorry to leave before the pot luck - and equally as sorry for not being able to meet everybody that was there, but see above re. my vision - and besides, since I didn't bring anything to add to the meal, I didn't want to impose. I had planned (in advance) on heading up to Reno, but was reminded that the NRA convention was there (later heard there wasn't a hotel room to be found from Fallon to Bishop!), and so I headed upto Red Bluff for the day on Sunday, and spent the last few at the SO's. Stopped by Zack's on the way down to her place Sunday afternoon, but he wasn't there. Charles On Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:36:38 -0400 "Granville Pool" writes: > > I was also gratified at the number of > properly used > Range Rovers on hand! > > > Granny > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Tue Apr 30 20:30:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g410URu24904 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 20:30:27 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 20:30:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200205010030.g410UQd24900@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Dixon all british show & swap may 19 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Not sure if I mentioned this, but it's $5 off registration if the organizers receive your $15 check prior to May 10. http://www.ubscc.org/Dixon-2002.pdf Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA Light Green 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From bens Tue Apr 30 21:28:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g411SNg25179 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 21:28:23 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 21:28:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200205010128.g411SNN25175@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: WARNING! idler pulley failure Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Good idea David. I like the 'light gear oil' treatment. BTW, after I did the idler pully, I checked the water pump. Guess what? Bearings in it were shot too, and when I removed it I could see the impeller was rubbing up against the housing pushing metal shards around. Now THAT was a noise I did hear a while ago, but just thought it was the engine getting rough. Replaced the water pump (4 friggin' hour job BTW, but got in a trip to Harbor Freight!!!), and now she's running sweet. So quiet I can actually hear that exhaust leak I've been curious about for a while. Sigh, so much to do, so little time.... No prob. about the Utah route. It's not going anywhere! (I'll die taking it to the grave though....) ;) Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From bens Tue Apr 30 23:15:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g413FP925687 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 23:15:25 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 23:15:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200205010315.g413FPO25683@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Kevin Dana To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: WARNING! idler pulley failure Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The idler pulley on my '95 D90 started making noise last December at 52K miles. At first I thought it might be the water pump but LRSJ determined it was the idler (it still cost $340 to replace). The noise at that point was not very obvious from the driver's seat - more of a rumble or vibration. Outside with the hood open it was clear that something was failing. At 1:42 PM -0400 4/30/02, Mendo_Recce digest wrote: