From bens Tue Jan 1 01:18:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g016I5G03011 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:18:05 -0500 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:18:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200201010618.g016I4D03007@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jeff Rogers" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series III Audio Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I Agree. The iPod is easy to use and the unit is essentially skip free thanks to a 20min buffer. I just installed one in a friend's car using an adaptor on the factory radio's antenna lead (the way aftermarket Cd changers are installed) and it sounds great. You could probably also plug the iPod directly into an amp for cleaner sound. -->Jeff > >Buy an ipod from apple...I think earphones in both ears is illegal but the >ipod kicks butt. >Holds tons of songs and easy to navigate on the road. > >Scott > > > [ 19 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Tue Jan 1 10:51:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g01Fpdf05612 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:51:39 -0500 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:51:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200201011551.g01FpcB05608@minbar.fourfold.org> From: JoeSmo To: mendo_list Subject: dipstick Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Happy New Year I have a series II block in my IIA and am in need of the unit that screws into the block to secure the engine oil dipstick. I believe it is a multi piece unit and I think I have the lower piece. Also can anyone give me information on the length of the dipstick and its tube? I am not sure if the PO was using the correct one. Thank you Joe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From bens Tue Jan 1 11:04:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g01G43V05669 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:04:03 -0500 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:04:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200201011604.g01G42105665@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: dipstick Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Joe, I do have an extra dipstick you're welcome to. I might even have a spare one piece S2A tube for it. But still am not going out to the shop. I am getting around pretty good and in a few days I will check out the dip stick tube status out there for you, and will measure the dipstick for you. Bob B At 07:51 AM 1/1/2002, you wrote: >Happy New Year > >I have a series II block in my IIA and am in need of >the unit that screws into the block to secure the >engine oil dipstick. I believe it is a multi piece >unit and I think I have the lower piece. Also can >anyone give me information on the length of the >dipstick and its tube? I am not sure if the PO was >using the correct one. [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jan 1 18:04:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g01N4el08034 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:04:40 -0500 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:04:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200201012304.g01N4dn08030@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: Subject: Re: Series III Audio Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ahhh, this may be my solution. I was unaware that you could connect an iPod, or similar device, directly to an audio amp. 1. Amp under the drivers seat 2. iPod on a quick-connect style cable going directly into the amp. 3. Clamp or Velcro iPod to dash. I like it! My buddy has an iPod, I will test this theory and let you all know how it works out! Thanks a million! Brian On 12/31/01 10:18 PM, "Jeff Rogers" wrote: > > > I Agree. The iPod is easy to use and the unit is essentially skip free > thanks to a 20min buffer. I just installed one in a friend's car using an > adaptor on the factory radio's antenna lead (the way aftermarket Cd changers > are installed) and it sounds great. You could probably also plug the iPod > directly into an amp for cleaner sound. -->Jeff > > [ 23 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ----------------------- http://www.roverme.org "Land Rover community, links and email services." From bens Tue Jan 1 18:06:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g01N6kr08066 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:06:46 -0500 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:06:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200201012306.g01N6jP08062@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: , Subject: JackGuard Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org http://www.jackguard.com Has anyone tried this? Thanks Brian ----------------------- http://www.roverme.org "Land Rover community, links and email services." From bens Tue Jan 1 19:01:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0201ux08358 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:01:56 -0500 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:01:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200201020001.g0201tl08354@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: "Mendo" Subject: Re: mojave plan Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" ] [ 32 lines filtered. ] Arrived home from the Mojave trip at 10 PM last night. It was another gr= eat trip. =20 Two Dormobiles (Nick and TeriAnn's), Joe's beautiful 109 station wagon, M= o's spectacular 109 pickup, a token Jeep, an Isuzu trooper, Chris in his = 70's Scout? and me on a BMW Dakar F650. =20 Others on the trip... Nick's wife Chanda (of course), Joe's girlfriend Ta= m (sp? sorry), Russ Wilson and a few more of Nick's neighbors. (How do y= ou keep neighbors from complaining about the LR parking lot at Nick's? G= et them involved in outings of course!) =20 TeriAnn even brought along a new addition to her family. I'll never forg= et Lacey who helped my daughter get over her fear of dogs after getting b= itten years ago in Crested Butte. Now there's O'Malley who has thunderin= g paws that will keep the next group of visitors to the dunes where we ca= mped trying to figure out what kind of wild beast may be stalking them ba= sed on the shear size of his paw prints in the sand. He's a unique anim= al who at 10 months is trying to figure out where he fits in the grand pi= cture. =20 The weather wasn't the best but we woke to sunshine on Sunday morning! = Made it all worthwhile. Last night talking on top of a sand dune wasn't = bad either especially when the moon started breaking through the clouds. I'm posting pictures at http://photos.yahoo.com/gelam30092 under Mojave = 2001. I'll be finished in about 15 minutes. =20 I'm sure there will be more details to follow once the group returns from= Red Rock. Lots of memorable moments, comments and maybe one or two catc= h phrases that will live in LR folklore. :-) =20 Happy New Year's! 2002 will be one to remember for certain! =20 Cheers, Gerry PHX AZ From bens Tue Jan 1 19:34:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g020YgT08513 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:34:42 -0500 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:34:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200201020034.g020Yfq08509@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "G. Mugele" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Word from Kelly Minnick Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, Kelly asked me to say Hi from him to the Mendoites. All things considered he seems to be doing pretty well and is keeping busy. That is probably good therapy. >Things are up and down for us right now. Many bitter/sweet moments. We just >got back Nick's stuff from the Sheriff's office (clothes, backpack, gun, >etc.). That was tough. We have some great friends (here local and you guys >on Mendo) and an Awesome God. > >On a Rover note, I have been finishing prepping the R.Rover for it's sale. >We had to use it to push down a fence to get to Nick, so it had a few >scratches on the edges of the hood and a broken left turn lens. It now looks >as good as new. I've also been fighting with the power door locks. I might >just skip it and sell her as-is. Maybe you can find Jeremy's e-mail or ask >the list if anyone has messed with the power door locks? I sent Kelly email addresses for Jeremy and John Brabyn's but perhaps someone can send him some advice more expediently in case neither are available or online right now. Kelly's email is: kminnick@gte.net He probably doesn't need a barrage of email at this point. However he says he'll be resubscribing in a few weeks. Happy New Year and Safe Rovering to all. Gerry From bens Tue Jan 1 20:01:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0211Vo08645 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 20:01:31 -0500 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 20:01:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200201020101.g0211U308641@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Easton Trevor A To: "'Brian Horner '" Subject: RE: [lro] JackGuard Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 21 lines filtered. ] My experience of devices like this is that the lead to neglect and subsequent corrosion of the parts hidden inside. The text mentions grease and if I recall the HiLift and Jackall instructions say NO grease. Better to leave the jack open and give it a spray of anti corrosive lubricant. (Not WD40). From bens Tue Jan 1 23:52:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g024quZ09562 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:52:56 -0500 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:52:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200201020452.g024quQ09558@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Ogilvie" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: JackGuard Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Haven't seen or tried one but it looks like a carrying case for some kind of assault rifle or machine gun. Alternately, its either going to get you stopped for an automatic weapons violation or an extremely interesting container that will encourage the light fingered types to steal it for the hoped for contents. Aloha Peter O. >From: Brian Horner >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: , >Subject: JackGuard >Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:06:45 -0500 > >http://www.jackguard.com > >Has anyone tried this? [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Wed Jan 2 12:15:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g02HF4Q13486 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:15:04 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:15:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200201021715.g02HF3u13482@minbar.fourfold.org> From: carl kruger To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Raised air intake on Ser. 3 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello all- I was wondering if anyone had experience fitting a Land Rover raised air intake to a USA spec Series 3. I had a quick look at the instructions and under the hood and it seems that the hose routing would foul the charcoal canister? I could probably scrap the canister since I am smog exempt- or maybe relocate to the firewall? Any other tips on installation before I begin? thank as always, Carl Kruger San Jose, CA From bens Wed Jan 2 12:26:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g02HQJx13557 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:26:19 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:26:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200201021726.g02HQIP13553@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Raised air intake on Ser. 3 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 21 lines filtered. ] Carl, It is a close close close fit. If it is not raining at lunch I'll run out and take a look. I recall I did something to make it fit, but that something is a mystery at this time. At first I turned the bracket around, but that didn't work. I may have it shifted to one side? -Rob From bens Wed Jan 2 14:19:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g02JJIZ14111 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:19:18 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:19:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200201021919.g02JJHZ14107@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Maurice Patrykus" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Mojave Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Great pics, Gerry. Russ & I are back at home, we took showers so we no longer smell like goats, and the wives were happy to see us. It looks colder in Gerry's pics than it really was, folks. The first night was the worst of it but we had a great campfire to take care of that. Gerry, after you left I had some mechanical trouble. At first we thought it was the fuel pump, because TAW and I pulled the line & it appeared to be doing a miserable pumping job. Anyway after I got it started & stalled a couple times, TAW hooked me up to the Green Rover and towed me through the wash, through some deep puddles and up a couple of those hairy hills by the RR tracks. Once in the campground Joe M got busy & quickly found a wet distributor. Well I felt kind of dumb for not having checked it. But when it first stalled the outside of the distributor was bone dry so I figured the fuel pump was the problem. Must have gotten wet in the first little section of water under the trestle, then when we stopped to see the train go by, the outside of the distrib. dried off. Thanks to Joe the 109 was back on the road and we rolled into Barstow for food & gas, then on to Red Rock. But I will let someone else tell the rest of the story. Mo Patrykus 66 109 Regular Los Angeles _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From bens Wed Jan 2 17:36:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g02MaUW15271 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:36:30 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:36:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200201022236.g02MaUt15267@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "nick baggarly" To: Subject: Re: Mojave Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mojave was a blast. Great company. The overcast weather and light rain made things interesting and kept the dust down. Highlight for me was driving at night through the Joshua Tree forest, somewhere around mile 51, searching for Arif and Chuck in their Isuzu Trooper (we found them). With the moonlight through the clouds it felt like cruising along the sea floor. Also hiked the split cave near Afton Canyon. Both Chris Hauk and Arif Rasvi took mini-dv film and there are lots of pictures to share. I took some night time exposures of our camps that I'll share after developing the film. In a few minutes I'll share the digis at: www.drivearoundtheworld.com/othersites/Mojave2002 Thanks to all who went! Nick ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Maurice Patrykus" Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:19:17 -0500 From bens Wed Jan 2 21:20:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g032KS316359 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:20:28 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:20:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200201030220.g032KSd16355@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: "Mendo" Subject: Re: Mojave Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" ] [ 9 lines filtered. ] =20 << Great pics, Gerry. Russ & I are back at home, we took showers so we no longer smell like goats, and the wives were happy to see us.>> Glad you guys made it home safely. Great company, great weather (so what= ...rain and cold?! ha!), great scenery. =20 Cheers, Gerry From bens Thu Jan 3 00:13:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g035Dmi17645 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:13:48 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:13:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200201030513.g035DlU17641@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "David Pearce" To: Subject: subscribe Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org subscribe From bens Thu Jan 3 03:46:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g038kcM19276 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:46:38 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:46:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200201030846.g038kbs19272@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Nick Baggarly" To: Subject: Re: Mojave pictures Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Chanda made a web page with thumbnails to make viewing the Mojave pictures easier. They're now at http://www.drivearoundtheworld.com/othersites/Mojave2002/index.htm Nick From bens Thu Jan 3 14:59:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g03Jxu122520 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:59:56 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:59:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200201031959.g03JxtV22516@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" To: "'mendo'" Subject: small world... Dormobile canvas, Dormobile list? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I occasionally do a quick search under Dormobile and came across a site that does replacement canvas for VW Dormoblies here in the Phoenix area. I called Dawn Smyth and talked to a guy there who didn't provide his name. I explained that I had a LR and he mentioned that he had a friend down in Tucson who was rebuilding one. Turns out he was talking about Mo! I sent them a link to the Mojave photos. Their site is at http://www.plfvw.com/ Nick: is the Dormobile list gone or are there any plans to start it again? If not, would you mind if I set up a Yahoo Group for this purpose? I'm not overly thrilled with Yahoo's Groups and if anyone knows of another service, I'd appreciate it if you could forward it to me. Thanks! Cheers, Gerry PHX AZ From bens Thu Jan 3 15:58:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g03Kwuv22823 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:58:56 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:58:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200201032058.g03KwuX22819@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Maurice Patrykus" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Dormobile replacement canvas Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Gerry, you must be talking about Richard. He's actually a friend of a friend. The guy has about 14 VW buses in his backyard in Mesa. Anyway he & his girlfriend Dawn are obsessive about Volkswagens and I believe she is a seamstress. They would probably be as good a source as any for replacement material. Mo _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Thu Jan 3 16:05:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g03L5Bo22884 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:05:11 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:05:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200201032105.g03L5Aj22877@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Dormobile replacement canvas Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 18 lines filtered. ] Excellent! And practically in our backyard here to boot! Cheers, Gerry From bens Thu Jan 3 16:09:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g03L9Aa22923 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:09:10 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:09:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200201032109.g03L99S22919@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Mojave/Redrock/Jawbone wrap up Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org After spending Tuesday night with the Dow's Air Stream Convention at Jawbone Canyon (just south of Redrock), Tam and I journeyed over the Walker Pass (5250') on highway 178 and through Lake Isabella and out to 99 near Bakersfield. That route takes you through remote, beautiful country containing frequent BLM land open for camping. Since the Dow's had more free days ahead of them, their plan was/is to head up toward a sand dune area near Owens Lake before camping over at Miracle Hot Springs near Lake Isabella. To summarize the entire trip, too much to see and do with not enough time! I realized I'm not really set up for on-the-go style camping when days are so short. Too much time was lost setting and breaking camp due to large table/stove, furniture, giant air mattress and a ton of blankets instead of two proper sleeping bags. And also, Mojave Road and Redrock /Jawbone Canyons are really two different trips. The Mojave Road experience is huge, and having frequent opportunities for side diversions and hikes, it's easy to burn through an extra day or two. Hey, we never even saw Jason and Petra in their 110 driving the route in the opposite direction! Also, Redrock is a true park like experience with no off roading but wonderful hiking trails, while the nearby Jawbone area has trails for all types of desert canyon offroading. It was all great. I want to go back! Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW (email me if you want to see some pics) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From bens Thu Jan 3 16:22:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g03LMPR23014 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:22:25 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:22:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200201032122.g03LMP423010@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Nick Baggarly" To: Subject: Re: Dormobile replacement canvas Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Can they make identical pvc candy stripe replacement? I could use a couple. I'll have the dormie list up tonight. Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" To: Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 1:05 PM Subject: RE: Dormobile replacement canvas > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ Included Original Message ] > [ 18 lines filtered. ] > Excellent! And practically in our backyard here to boot! > > Cheers, > Gerry > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jan 3 16:40:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g03LemD23129 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:40:48 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:40:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200201032140.g03Lelx23125@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Dormobile replacement canvas Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org < Can they make identical pvc candy stripe replacement? I could use a couple. > Their website says... "Note: We do custom colors and styles for those of you who want to be different. Over 100 stripes and solids to choose from." .... but I don't think she's ready to do any for a month or so. I'll check periodically. < I'll have the dormie list up tonight. > You are the man! Please, please send us instructions to reregister. Thanks!!! Gerry From bens Thu Jan 3 20:09:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0419nd24164 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:09:49 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:09:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200201040109.g0419mN24160@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Dow clan spotted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 21 lines filtered. ] ------_=_NextPart_001_01C194BC.7CF5E824 charset="iso-8859-1" Phoned-in, by Eric Wilcox: the Dow alu-combo seen in the south bay returning from what must have been a nice desert trip? ------_=_NextPart_001_01C194BC.7CF5E824 From bens Thu Jan 3 20:48:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g041m4K24347 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:48:04 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:48:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200201040148.g041m3L24343@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Mojave Trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, Jason, Petra, Jason's brother and Petra's two brothers from Wisconsin went looking for the Mojave Trail folks and missed them. Has anyone heard from Jason? There was a 78 car pile up on Hwy 58 this morning, did everyone make it home ok? http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/news/010302_nw_pileup.html We had a great time with the Dow's and clan. There were four Airstreams in our caravan and we were a sight going down the Hwy. We spent the first night at Miracle Hot Springs off Hwy178 and ended up in Jawbone about 4 miles south of Red Rock on Hwy 14. I'll post our pictures soon. Thanks to the Dow's for making it a great time! Keith From bens Thu Jan 3 20:55:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g041tLt24397 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:55:21 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:55:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200201040155.g041tKp24393@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Rob Modica To: LRO , Mendo_Recce Subject: Disco locking lug nuts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Disco owners with locking lug nuts beware. I went to get my tires rotated last Friday. They removed everything by hand per my instructions but when it came to the LR locking lug nuts there was a "slight problem". On the third wheel the locking socket seemed to break the lug nut free OK, but when they tried the fourth wheel the little steel key inside the socket dropped out. It is just a press fit into the aluminum socket and the steel stripped the aluminum grooves. They tried to drive the key into a regular 1/2" socket but it still slipped. They tack welded the key onto the regular 1/2" socket and the welds broke. Finally they pounded air sockets on the locking lugs and managed to get them free with a 1" air drive and lots of twisting action. Then of course the lug nut had to be driven out of the air socket. Anyway after two hours they got everything squared away. The moral --? No more locking lugs for me. What if you happened to be out somewhere and got a flat? Drive home on the rim because you can't get the locking lug off?? Fat chance. Rob Arizona Land Rover Owners Rob Modica '51 Series I 80" 16136629 Tucson AZ '60 Series II 109" 16400620 rmodica@pimacc.pima.edu '94 Disco 5 spd A Land Rover owner/driver since 1973 From bens Thu Jan 3 20:56:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g041ulV24418 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:56:47 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:56:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200201040156.g041uli24414@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Nick Baggarly" To: Subject: Re: Dow clan spotted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Phoned-in, by Eric Wilcox: the Dow alu-combo seen in the south bay Good to hear they missed the 78 car pileup on highway 58. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20020103/ts/crash_pileup_dc_1.html Nick - From bens Thu Jan 3 21:03:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g04230E24466 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:03:00 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:02:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200201040202.g0422xe24462@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Rob Modica To: Mendo_Recce Subject: Mo is in Tucson?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Gerry Elam wrote... > >I explained that I had a LR and he mentioned that he had a friend down in >Tucson who was rebuilding one. Turns out he was talking about Mo! Mo is in Tucson?? I thought Mo moved north. We haven't seen him at Kappys on Wilmot -- 3rd Thursday of the month at 6:30, but we would sure like to. Also Ann and I are really envious of the Mojave Road trip. Best laid plans of mice and men -- etc. Great picture sites everyone. Rob Arizona Land Rover Owners Rob Modica '51 Series I 80" 16136629 Tucson AZ '60 Series II 109" 16400620 rmodica@pimacc.pima.edu '94 Disco 5 spd A Land Rover owner/driver since 1973 From bens Thu Jan 3 22:31:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g043VQX24942 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:31:26 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:31:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200201040331.g043VPU24938@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher Dow" To: Subject: RE: Dow clan spotted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 10 lines filtered. ] We made it. We were on 178 instead of 58. I'm not in surprised in the least about the pile up there. I was two cars in front of one of those (also on 58) on my way to Comdex in '96. People just get a little antsy on that road. A note about springs and shocks: This trip has made me think that the BP folks were likely correct when they indicated that OME HD springs should go with OME shocks. I really don't like the way the 110 responds on bumpy roads with the Bilsteins shocking the OME HDs. The tracking is just fine on smooth roads, but on bumpy ones, it's a chore to keep it in line, and that really sucks with 3000lb of Airstream behind you. I was really happy that the Mojave folks found us in Jawbone (it turns out the dogs were on strike and wouldn't approve a state park where they had to be on leash). We should have stayed longer on Wednesday morning and jawed with TAW, Joe, and Tam, because the sand dune was a bit far out of the way for what it provided us. Jawbone Canyon really is pretty cool. There is a desert conservation area just N-NE of there that makes for some pretty cool scenery. Some challenging stuff can be found in the Jawbone OHV area as well. I'd like to drive into the middle of the Mojave trail area and do some scouting about in there next year. We bought a book with a bunch of side trips while on the '98-'99 Mojave trail trip. C From bens Thu Jan 3 23:51:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g044pKq25408 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:51:20 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:51:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200201040451.g044pK425404@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: "Mendo" Subject: Re: Mo is in Tucson?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" ] [ 10 lines filtered. ] < Mo is in Tucson?? I thought Mo moved north. =20 Should have said "Mo from Tucson". Sorry to get your hopes up! Not exac= tly sure when he left... last time I saw him, it was in the Mojave... yea= h... start looking there. :-) OK Rob... mark your calendar now... weekend generally closest to New Year= s. Hope those pool guys did a hell of a job! =20 Cheers, Gerry From bens Fri Jan 4 00:01:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0451Nw25572 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:01:23 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:01:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200201040501.g0451Nr25568@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: "Mendo" Subject: Re: Dow clan spotted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" ] [ 12 lines filtered. ] Chris wristes, " We bought a book with a bunch of side trips while on the '98-'99 Mojave trail trip." Would that be, "Guide to 50 Interesting and Mysterious Sites in the Mojav= e" by Bill Mann? I completely forgot that I have that book and it was si= gned by Bill. Guess we met him on the last 98-99 trip. I'll try to remember to bring my copy next year. =20 Glad you guys had a good time too...sorry I missed seeing you. Cheers, Gerry From bens Fri Jan 4 02:19:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g047JEQ27110 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 02:19:14 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 02:19:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200201040719.g047JDs27106@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher Dow" To: Subject: RE: Dow clan spotted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Would that be, "Guide to 50 Interesting and Mysterious Sites in the Mojave" >by Bill Mann? I completely forgot that I have that book and it was signed >by Bill. Guess we met him on the last 98-99 trip. Yup. That's it. >Glad you guys had a good time too...sorry I missed seeing you. We missed seeing you, as well. I'm almost surprised we didn't connect on 146.500, since I had contact with people in Victorville (75mi South of Jawbone Canyon) and Barstow while I was on the ridge in Jawbone. C From bens Fri Jan 4 09:59:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g04ExGt29293 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:59:16 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:59:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200201041459.g04ExF629289@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Disco locking lug nuts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...No more locking lugs for me...." I'd add to that, as a general note, check lug nut torque when you change the oil. Takes less than 2 minutes to go all around the truck (including the spare!) breaking them loose and re-torquing them. That way there are no surprises later. Once a year at tire rotation time, a little light oil on the threads keeps things happy. -Dave G. From bens Fri Jan 4 11:15:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g04GFxx29763 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:15:59 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:15:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200201041615.g04GFxK29759@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Dow clan spotted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Speaking of sightings, does anyone know what's up with Charles? He's been incommunicado for about a month. -Dave G. From bens Fri Jan 4 11:35:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g04GZaA29870 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:35:36 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:35:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200201041635.g04GZZj29866@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Dow clan spotted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Speaking of sightings, does anyone know what's up with Charles? He's been >incommunicado for about a month. > >-Dave G. -- Charles was captured by a trip of nymphomaniac midgets about 3 weeks ago while on a delivery for work. His captors have sent several ransom notes but I've just tossed them away. He seems to be enjoying himself greatly though. cheers RW From bens Fri Jan 4 11:43:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g04Ghmo29910 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:43:48 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:43:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200201041643.g04GhlR29906@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: damn, now what? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >Hi, > >I went out to drive Stubby for a few miles and have a problem. For a >few seconds, the engine cranked well but did not start. Then, the >starter went clunk like normal, but didn't turn the engine. A couple >more attempts, same thing happened. I tried the crank, and yes, the >engine is not wanting to turn. I drove 4 miles yesterday, and tho >the tranny shifting is stiff, everything went fine. [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Any chance that normal clunk you hear is the starter solinoid and your problam is the starter bendix hung up on the ring gear? TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Fri Jan 4 11:48:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g04Gmqh29955 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:48:52 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:48:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200201041648.g04Gmqg29951@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Charles sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >Speaking of sightings, does anyone know what's up with Charles? He's been >>incommunicado for about a month. >> >>-Dave G. > > >-- >Charles was captured by a trip of nymphomaniac midgets about 3 weeks >ago while on a delivery for work. His captors have sent several [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- Hmmm that was supposed to be "Tribe of Nymphomaniac Midgets"... most of you are probably smart enough to have caught that though. Not enough coffee in me just yet. Seriously, Charles is alive and well. When last spotted Charles had escaped the evil clutches of the nymphomaniac midgets and was busy working on the 'new' engine for his 109. The fact that the midgets had only tied him up with silly string and it still took Charles, a rather big guy, over 13 days to escape is something that he will have to explain for himself. Cheers RW From bens Fri Jan 4 12:06:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g04H6SI30084 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:06:28 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:06:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200201041706.g04H6R930080@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" To: "'mendo'" Subject: preventing corrosion? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org For those of you who have taken the bulkheads out or disassembled various body components, did you take any special precautions when attaching aluminum to the non-aluminum pieces? Many thanks.... Gerry From bens Fri Jan 4 13:07:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g04I7tp30389 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:07:55 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:07:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200201041807.g04I7s330385@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cc: Subject: Re: Mojave Trip - we're alive!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Keith, Dow family, Mendo, NCRC... We are still on the road! We are in Lone Pine right now, having driven from Baker along I-15 to Goffs on the Mojave Road, up to Death Valley, over the Panamint Mountains, into Saline Valley, over the Inyo Mountains and down into Owens valley where we are now. We missed the Rover convoy on the Mojave Road after splitting off from the Dow and company airstream caravan on 12/30. We had left from the region of Lake Isabela on the 30th hoping to run into the Rover group nearing the end of the Mojave Trail, but alas we never found them. What we did find was one of the most spectacular trips we've been on. I don't even know where to begin to mention all the awesome and wonderful things we've seen and done. The trails alone were enough to make the trip beyond imagination - 200 ft fly-bys by China Lake FA-18s, nearly pristine mines abandoned 50 years ago, trails with 1000+ foot sheer drops, 50 miles of dirt road across the most desolate valley in CA (Saline Valley), night hikes up to the tops of Cinder Cones, terrifying camp fire tales of bodies in the desert, and we even had the pleasure of meeting David Casebier at Goffs and spending some time with him. We'll post pics and a trip report after we get back to SF. The places we camped and the trails we've been on were so remote and so great that they warrent a serious week long expedition similar to this one by NCRC in the future. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Fri Jan 4 13:16:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g04IGDc30448 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:16:13 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:16:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200201041816.g04IGCc30444@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Mojave Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >At first we thought it was the fuel pump, because TAW and I pulled the line >& it appeared to be doing a miserable pumping job. Anyway after I got it >started & stalled a couple times. <> > Once in the campground Joe M got busy & quickly found a wet distributor. >Well I felt kind of dumb for not having >checked it. But when it first stalled the outside of the distributor was >bone dry so I figured the fuel pump was the problem. Must have gotten wet in >the first little section of water under the trestle, then when we stopped to >see the train go by, the outside of the distrib. dried off. The solution to the problem still seems a little unreal to me. The symptoms when I looked at it: Engine & distributor externally dry. The fuel line was disconnected at the fuel pump and priming lever pumped. During the first couple pumps nothing came out the open fuel line, then the fuel basically dribbled out. Wait a couple minutes and repeat the process with the same results. With the fuel line reconnected and the priming lever exercised a bit, Mo was able to fire the engine right up. It started quickly and idled smoothly. The ignition seemed to be working perfectly. Mo started driving and it died a hundred yards down the trail in a manner consistent with fuel starvation. The ignition seemed to be behaving itself properly and the engine had a nice low speed idle without missing. My guess: Most likely a fuel pump needing a rebuild, possibly a clog downstream of the fuel pump or in the pump screen (we did not have a new seal for the sediment bowl along so I was not about to look). So I hooked Mo's 109 up behind The Green Rover and towed it to the nearest camp ground for additional work. On the way we made two deep water crossings. Once everyone in the group was at the camp ground, someone added 5 gallons of fuel to the 109's tank then Joe pulled the distributor cap to check the ignition. He found moisture, wiped it down and the blue 109 fired right up and performed properly since then. I'm still of the belief that the initial problem as either a clog in the fuel tank or a bit of something temporarily lodged in one of the fuel pump's one way valves. Nick was thinking a clogged fuel cap breather and a strong vacume in the tank that was overcoming the fuel pump, but Joe got it started just by drying the distributor cap. I'm guessing the water got in the distributor during one of the deep water crossings at the end. The 109 was dealing with both the water depth and the wave off the back of my 109 as I towed it through. I guess we will never know the real problem for sure. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Fri Jan 4 13:53:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g04Irqe30633 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:53:52 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:53:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200201041853.g04Irpo30629@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Nick Baggarly" To: Subject: Re: Mojave Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >At first we thought it was the fuel pump, because TAW and I pulled the line > >& it appeared to be doing a miserable pumping job. Anyway after I got it > >started & stalled a couple times. > <> > > The solution to the problem still seems a little unreal to me. Me too. > The symptoms when I looked at it: > Engine & distributor externally dry. The fuel line was disconnected at > the fuel pump and priming lever pumped. During the first couple pumps > nothing came out the open fuel line, then the fuel basically dribbled > out. Wait a couple minutes and repeat the process with the same results. > <> > Nick was thinking a clogged fuel cap breather and a strong vacuum in the > tank that was overcoming the fuel pump I still think the fuel tank breather should be checked. In my experience if the fuel tank breather is clogged these same symptoms will occur. >Joe got it started just by drying the distributor cap. With a mostly clogged breather, if the vehicle sits for a while, air may slowly re-enter/equalize the tank and it may start up fine and even run for a while until the problem reoccurs. > Once everyone in the group was at the camp ground, someone added 5 gallons of fuel to the 109's tank... When air can't get into the tank to equalize the change in volume, at some point it will eventually become too much for the fuel pump to pump. Adding fuel to the tank may have changed the pressure cirumstances and masked the problem. To check for a clogged breather, disconnect the fuel hose at the tank, extend it, and run it into a can of gas. Then try to operate the lever and see if it pumps better. To unclog the breather, disconnect the breather hose at the the tank, remove the fuel filler cap and blow compressed air through the hose. Mine was pretty clogged until I did this. On the trail it is sometimes difficult to troubleshoot a problem. Everyone wants to move on and everyone has an opinion. Frequently people will take turns involving themselves in and out of the problem so you end up trying several different things at once. Every now and then one of things you try grazes the problem but, since you made so many changes, there is little chance you will discover the change that had an effect. This may also upset a sequence that was reproducible so, if it reoccurs, you only become more confused. fwiw, I'm not slamming anyones troubleshooting skills here, this is only an observation and the reason why I didn't get too involved in case anyone was wondering. So did anyone have their "wade" plug in for those water crossings? I really need to remember to buy one. What's the size of that thing? Nick > With the fuel line reconnected and the priming lever exercised a bit, Mo > was able to fire the engine right up. It started quickly and idled > smoothly. The ignition seemed to be working perfectly. Mo started > driving and it died a hundred yards down the trail in a manner consistent > with fuel starvation. The ignition seemed to be behaving itself properly > and the engine had a nice low speed idle without missing. > > My guess: Most likely a fuel pump needing a rebuild, possibly a clog > downstream of the fuel pump or in the pump screen (we did not have a new [ 35 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jan 4 14:10:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g04JAP830734 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:10:25 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:10:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200201041910.g04JAPT30730@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Trip - we're alive!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Wow, it seems really interesting. I can't wait to see your photos. charles p. >From: Jason Pipes >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: Mojave Trip - we're alive!! >Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:07:54 -0500 > >Keith, Dow family, Mendo, NCRC... > >We are still on the road! We are in Lone Pine right now, having driven [ 30 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Fri Jan 4 15:24:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g04KOXL31065 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:24:33 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:24:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200201042024.g04KOWg31061@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: preventing corrosion? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Gerry wrote... > >For those of you who have taken the bulkheads out or disassembled various >body components, did you take any special precautions when attaching >aluminum to the non-aluminum pieces? Yeah, I galvanized everything! Hehe. Seriously, that's what I have done to just about everything that I could. In the case of the Serious One, I painted the bulkhead with very good Centari paint, then after assembly, sprayed LPS3 liberally on the areas that would need protection against corrosion. Long term benefits are yet to be seen, but LPS3 is the same compound that Boeing developed when it invented Bo-sheild (thier answer to preventing corrosion between dissimilar metals). On the 145 I have galvanized everything. On my old 109, I used plastic shims cut out of a milk jug in several places after painting both surfaces. I think that a good heavy dose of decent paint (Hammerite comes to mind as a really good one), along with judicious application of LPS3 will prevent corrosion for a while. Let us know what you do! Later, Michael _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Fri Jan 4 15:29:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g04KTUr31104 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:29:30 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:29:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200201042029.g04KTTQ31100@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Charles sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....The fact that the midgets had only tied him up with silly string and it still took Charles, a rather big guy, over 13 days to escape is something that he will have to explain for himself...." Oh, can't I have just a little more peril??? :^) -Dave G. From bens Fri Jan 4 16:15:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g04LFw331340 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:15:58 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:15:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200201042115.g04LFvZ31336@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: preventing corrosion? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org What is LPS3? I'll try anything once... Thanks! Gerry From bens Fri Jan 4 17:12:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g04MCFO31629 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:12:15 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:12:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200201042212.g04MCEG31625@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: mojave repair Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I DID fix it all myself! JoeM '67 SIIA 109 SW Mo, Teriann, and Nick said: At first we thought it was the fuel pump, because TAW and I pulled the line & it appeared to be doing a miserable pumping job. Anyway after I got it started & stalled a couple times. Once in the campground Joe M got busy & quickly............ > <> > > The solution to the problem still seems a little unreal to me. Me too. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From bens Fri Jan 4 17:41:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g04Mfbu31792 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:41:37 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:41:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200201042241.g04MfaK31788@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Matt Wilson To: "Mendo_Recce (E-mail)" Subject: Somebody hit Rusty Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So this morning I am minding my own affair at my computer... Jason my coworker asks for a ride to the doctor to get his immunizations for work trip to China. Some of you met Jason at the Joe Lucas and DownieVille trips. Something in the back of my head said bad idea. But I said yes when I found out the doctors office is two blocks from "La Superica Taqaria" SP? And there might be a burrito in it for me. We get to the doctors office and I parallel park in front, in a Legal spot. the right tires were against the curb. We go in Jason for his shots and me to read old magazines. after about fifteen minutes this lady walks out of the doctors office about five minutes later she walks in and asks does any one here own a Land Rover? I'm thinking cool, some one has a story about when they owned one... She say's" I think were engaged" and walks back outside. I'm like what ever, but follow her out side to see what's going on. the back left corner of Rusty is smashed in. I am so bummed, we start exchanging info, and I decide that we should go back into the Doctors office and use the copier. As we walk into the receptionist area Jason walks out of the exam room and say's "Man I got six shots, and two of them were in the ass" I wish I was fast enough to say " Oh yeah, well you should see the shot Rusty took in the left cheek" but I was pretty out of it. The Ladies Name is Wilma and her story is she was pulling out into traffic when she realized there was another car coming. so she swerved to the Right and hit My car. She was driving a VW fox and what's interesting is the Fox's right fender hit the rear out rigger of Rusty, the out rigger punched a hole in her car and just peeled back the Fox's fender. the out rigger is not bent at all but all the sheet metal around it is toast. That would be the left tub panel the left rear panel and the Galvanized trim piece on the left corner. I called BP and priced out the parts, they are about $400. Of course at lunch every one had horror stories about dealing with insurance companies and old cars. So I don't need any more how I got screwed by corporate America stories. I have contacted both mine and her insurance companies My insurance company said call her company and file a claim, it would be faster because I don't have compression coverage for Rusty. I called Wilma's insurance company and filed the claim. They said they will call Wilma, start the paper work, and a claims adjuster will call me on Monday. My Question is, if there is a discrepancy between what they think Rusty is worth and what I think Rusty is worth. What is the best way for me to determine the Value of a 1973 Series Rover? I think rusty is worth between $4500 and $5000 that's a lot less than I have put in the truck but I always tend to buy high and sell low. Man I am So Bummed out, I Really like that truck. Oh Well, I'll try to Keep the list posted on my progress of getting it fixed by a professional shop. If I have to replace the panels myself expect lots of questions about the bucking Rivets. Matt Wilson PS I have enjoyed all the trip reports from the Mojave road, Just my luck I was in SF riding a cable car. Joe thanks for sending the pictures and Keep them coming. Jason and I are planning on doing the Mojave road in ether March or April. From bens Fri Jan 4 17:51:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g04MpNa31847 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:51:23 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:51:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200201042251.g04MpNk31843@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: jason n petra's travels Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 24 lines filtered. ] ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19572.53478555 charset="iso-8859-1" Did you make it to Eureka Dune? (one of my favorite places) Cheers. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19572.53478555 From bens Fri Jan 4 18:39:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g04NdY332091 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:39:34 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:39:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200201042339.g04NdYH32087@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Maurice Patrykus" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #630 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rob Modica wrote: > >Mo is in Tucson?? I thought Mo moved north. We haven't seen him at >Kappys on Wilmot -- 3rd Thursday of the month at 6:30, but we would >sure like to. Hi Rob! Actually I moved to LA in August of 99. If you recall, the last time we saw each other was at your house- nice get together- and my 109 was not finished yet. I had Desert Diesel rebuild the motor but gave up on that lump and put a 2.25 petrol in it last May. How goes it with your Series I? Mo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From bens Fri Jan 4 19:01:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g05015032209 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:01:05 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:01:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200201050001.g05014Z32205@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: holiday trips? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > I am not completely sure that it is in Nevada...., but it is the one > that is near Ridgecrest and Death Valley. I will make sure that Chris > posts the particulars. > >Leslie Johnston-Dow, Ph.D. >From: "Christopher Dow" >To: >Subject: RE: holiday trips? >Send reply to: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > We'll be leaving the Bay >Area on the 28th, and making a base camp at the >destination, from which some wheeling is available. >I'll get all the details (which I've owed Mr. Elam for >some time--sorry, I've been busy creating a Bummer, looks like it never got posted. I wanted to go ,but figured since you didn't actually post the details, it wasn't gonna happen for me. TomW *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Fri Jan 4 19:53:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g050rEi32490 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:53:14 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:53:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200201050053.g050rDD32486@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: preventing corrosion? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Gerry, LPS3 is a spray-on goo, that resembles WD-40 in viscosity, although it is somewhat thicker. There is a waxy residue left that protects metal when it dries out. It'll never really dry out, and I just got done washing the S1 this afternoon, and some LPS3 that I sprayed on the bolts, joints, etc...is still there, and I TRIED to wash it off with a rag and warm soapy water. You have a chance after spraying it on to contain where it goes, by quickly wiping the excess off, but where it remains forms a pretty darn protective barrier. I can get you some cans if you can't find any. Later, Michael >From: "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" >Subject: RE: preventing corrosion? >Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:15:57 -0500 > >What is LPS3? I'll try anything once... > >Thanks! [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Fri Jan 4 19:57:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g050vw132522 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:57:58 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:57:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200201050057.g050vvh32518@minbar.fourfold.org> From: FHY To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: preventing corrosion? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rust inhibitor. Available at Orchards. Frank ------------------------------------------------------ Elam, Gerry (CORP) wrote: >What is LPS3? > From bens Fri Jan 4 20:26:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g051QQ132706 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:26:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:26:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200201050126.g051QPP32702@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Daniel Oppenheim To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Somebody hit Rusty Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Matt, Sorry to hear of your misfortune. Bottom line: She must , through her insurance co., pay for the repairs to your truck, at a repair facility of YOUR choice. If the appraiser's determination isn't adequate, he will be summoned to the garage for an additional estimate. You could take it straight away to a garage of your choice, and have them write the estimate, and set up the appt. with the adjustor at the repair shop. The total value of the truck is not an issue unless they claim it isn't worth repairing, and then there are many ways to determine the fair market value. You should not repair it yourself, as you are entitled to a professional repair, replace and paint on the affected area. Parts, you will discover, are a very small percentage of the repair bill. It's a lot of labor, at somewhere between $60 and $95 an hour. OUCH.... I'm in SF, and can recommend a body shop if you'd like. Cheers, Daniel At 05:41 PM 01/04/2002 -0500, you wrote: From bens Fri Jan 4 20:49:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g051nLb00355 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:49:21 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:49:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200201050149.g051nK300350@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: "Mendo" Subject: Re: preventing corrosion? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" ] [ 10 lines filtered. ] Thanks... this was a post that broke one of my few cardinal rules about p= osting...never ask a question w/o at least doing a goggle or some other w= eb search. 15 seconds after I clicked "send", I had my answer. Thanks for the kind offer. I should be able to find it locally. Cheers, Gerry =20 =20 From bens Fri Jan 4 21:18:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g052I6h00511 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:18:06 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:18:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200201050218.g052I6B00507@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Nick Baggarly" To: Cc: , , Subject: Mojave movie Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The Mojave picture site now contains a short 5mb video by Chris Hauk. Chris is the guy who drove the blue International Scout. http://www.drivearoundtheworld.com/othersites/Mojave2002/index.htm Gerry, please forward this link to Dan. Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry Elam" To: "Mendo" Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 6:20 PM Subject: Re: Mojave > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" ] > [ 9 lines filtered. ] > > > =20 > << Great pics, Gerry. Russ & I are back at home, we took showers so we no > longer smell like goats, and the wives were happy to see us.>> [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jan 4 21:32:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g052WGC00598 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:32:16 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:32:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200201050232.g052WGI00594@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Nick Baggarly" To: Subject: Re: preventing corrosion? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > LPS3 is a spray-on goo, that resembles WD-40 in viscosity, although it is > somewhat thicker. There is a waxy residue left that protects metal when it > dries out. Waxy residu? How does it compare to Waxoil? And does anyone know where Waxoil is sold? I'd like to coat the inside of the frame and the door frames. Nick From bens Fri Jan 4 22:47:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g053lL300948 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:47:21 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:47:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200201050347.g053lKP00944@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Rich Williams" To: Subject: Re: Somebody hit Rusty Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Matt, what a drag. I have not had to deal with my Landy and insurance companies yet but I can relate an experience we had with a similar accident involving our 1959 Jaguar. Same thing basically - stupid driver wasn't paying attention and hit the Jag. Did considerable damage (not as robust as LRs of course). This happened when the Jag was in less than desirable condition but at a time when we were winding up for the big frame-off redo. Anyway, the offending driver's insurance company said the Jag really wasn't worth that much and they would only agree to pay a fraction of the repair cost. We fought a little and ultimately had to establish the market value of the car which was done through comparable cars in Hemmings. Long story short - after a bit of a hassle the insurance company cut us a check that went right into the fund for the frame off. A few things to consider though... 1) Courts tend to favor those with the injured 'classic' car versus the offenders against said cars - at least in my experiences. That will come to fruition should your 'push' become 'shove' and the insurance company knows this. 2) Definitely have this work done by a professional - and use Genuine parts when applicable. That's what she damaged and that's what you're entitled to have replaced. 3) If the repair of the vehicle results in a fit and finish that is less that what you had prior to the accident you may be entitled to more than just a repair of the rear corner. Talking about paint here. Also, the galvy work that was damaged sounds like it's toast. New galvy work won't match the original. If you push hard enough you could go for quite a lot here, but it just depends on the condition of the truck and how much you want to fight. 4) As far as establishing value, lrx.com might be helpful to you and the insurance company. Lots of vehicles listed in varying conditions and it's accepted in LR circles (esp. for Series trucks) as the 'Hemmings' of Land Rovers. Good Luck! Rich Williams 1960 109 SW ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Oppenheim To: Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:26 PM Subject: Re: Somebody hit Rusty > > Hi Matt, > Sorry to hear of your misfortune. > > Bottom line: > > She must , through her insurance co., pay for the repairs to your truck, at > a repair facility of YOUR choice. If the appraiser's determination isn't > adequate, he will be summoned to the garage for an additional estimate. You > could take it straight away to a garage of your choice, and have them write > the estimate, and set up the appt. with the adjustor at the repair shop. > > The total value of the truck is not an issue unless they claim it isn't > worth repairing, and then there are many ways to determine the fair market > value. > > You should not repair it yourself, as you are entitled to a professional > repair, replace and paint on the affected area. Parts, you will discover, > are a very small percentage of the repair bill. It's a lot of labor, at [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Jan 5 00:33:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g055XvX02455 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:33:57 -0500 Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:33:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200201050533.g055Xve02451@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: thehauks@earthlink.net Cc: mendo_recce@fourfold.org, chudson@pipeline.com, arif@arifrazvi.com Subject: Re: Fw: Mojave movie Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org << short 5mb video by Chris Hauk. Chris is the guy who drove the blue International Scout. http://www.drivearoundtheworld.com/othersites/Mojave2002/index.htm >> Chris... that is outstanding. I enjoyed it as did my daughter. Thanks for taking time to put it together! Cheers, Gerry PHX AZ _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Sat Jan 5 00:37:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g055btP02516 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:37:55 -0500 Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:37:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200201050537.g055btT02512@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Somebody hit Rusty Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Matt, My 90RR was totalled 2 November's ago (2000), and basically the insurance company for the car that hit me came and assesed the damage, and took a complete look at the condition of the vehicle. They did NOT care about a freshly rebuilt engine, ARB's (front & back), bumper, winch, lights, rack, etc...and determined the RR's value based on common 'stock' vehicles in the area. Since my RR had almost 200K on it, had a LOT of body dings and scrapes from off-roading, and actually had several of the panels painted white already (my final color), the blue book value was WAY low. They decided that the car was totalled, and said they would issue me a check for X value (the blue book value MINUS the pre-existing condition of the vehicle). I purchased the RR back from the insurance company for something ridiculous like 75 bucks (I can't remember exactly), and used the rest of the money to repair it. Since I settled for a total write off, I had no choice but to find junk-yard parts, and doing alot of the work myself. I actually did a lot more work on the truck than was damaged, and when all was said and done, the truck was completely painted, new windsheild, new bumper, new doors/fenders/hood/valence. Stick to your guns. Have the vehicle appraised by a couple of 'experts' (this can be determined several different ways), and don't settle for anything less than the pre-existing condition replacement. IF you end up with a little extra dough-ray-me, then that's all the better. If you end up with all new galvanizing, a new rear tub, new tub seals, new tailgate, etc...then you're probably getting what you deserve. Good luck! Later, Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From bens Sat Jan 5 12:43:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g05Hh2k05691 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:43:02 -0500 Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:43:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200201051743.g05Hh1005687@minbar.fourfold.org> From: FHY To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: preventing corrosion? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Triple C had it in stock some time ago. A google search should point you to a number of sellers in the US. LPS3 looks/feels a lot like Waxoyl. Frank ---------------------------------------------------------------- > >Waxy residu? How does it compare to Waxoil? And does anyone know where >Waxoil is sold? > From bens Sat Jan 5 13:37:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g05IboA05956 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:37:50 -0500 Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:37:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200201051837.g05IbnA05952@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Daniel Oppenheim To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: preventing corrosion? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Try: http://www.audiquattroparts.com/miscellaneous1.htm The description: LPS3 (11 oz) This heat-resistant, tacky and throw-proof lubricant offers a number of benefits for the professional mechanic as well as for the serious do-it-yourselfer. It anti-corrosion and wear-protection properties, combined with its penetrating and adhesive strength, make it the right lubricant/protector for all such components for which no specific lubricant is recommended or where other types of lubricants (oils, greases) may be used. LPS3 spray combines the advantage of a good penetrating oil with those of special oils and greases in a single high-performance product. This makes it ideal as the all-around lubricant/protector for parts such as door, hood and trunk hinges, latches and striker plates, clutch, brake and throttle rods, linkages, cables, levers, shift levers, window winding mechanism, seat and sun roof tracks and controls, chains and cables, and other parts/components exposed to water, salt spray and dirt. Daniel At 09:32 PM 01/04/2002 -0500, you wrote: From bens Sat Jan 5 15:41:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g05KfDZ06517 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:41:13 -0500 Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:41:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200201052041.g05KfCE06513@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: preventing corrosion? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Wow, that stuff sounds cool! I've been using it all this time and didn't realize all the 'additional benefits' I've been getting! Sweet! M _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From bens Sat Jan 5 16:12:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g05LCi406678 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:12:44 -0500 Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:12:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200201052112.g05LCiX06674@minbar.fourfold.org> From: FHY To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: preventing corrosion? LPS3 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Polla Slade wrote: >Wow, that stuff sounds cool! I've been using it all this time and didn't >realize all the 'additional benefits' I've been getting! > Someone on the mendo list back in 95-96? (Morgan?) recommended it. I've found it easier to use (for my purposes ) than Waxoyl so the can of Waxoyl I bought is probably buried somewhere under my house. Frank From bens Sat Jan 5 22:18:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g063I5l08663 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 22:18:05 -0500 Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 22:18:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200201060318.g063I5c08659@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: preventing corrosion? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org they sell them in OSH, at least here in fremont now back to work, fil >From: FHY >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: preventing corrosion? >Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:43:01 -0500 > >Triple C had it in stock some time ago. A google search should point >you to a number of sellers in the US. > [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Sun Jan 6 01:11:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g066BrH10612 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 01:11:53 -0500 Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 01:11:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200201060611.g066Bqc10608@minbar.fourfold.org> From: FHY To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: preventing corrosion? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Fil, When are you going to surface for Emeryville lunch or dim sum? Frank ---------------- Fil F. wrote: >they sell them in OSH, at least here in fremont > >now back to work, > From bens Sun Jan 6 02:31:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g067VdI10959 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 02:31:39 -0500 Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 02:31:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200201060731.g067Vcl10955@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: Rover Accident Repair Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Matt, I myself have not had any bodywork done on my 109 but from everything I've ever read or seen, there's only one proper way to repair the damage you describe. The galvanized capping should be removed, along with rear the lighting. Then the affected bodyside should be peeled off in its entirety from the tub and a new one welded in place. That's how they do it in England. Obviously this is specialist work. Most bodyshops will have no idea how a Land Rover is assembled (not that it's complex), and most bodyshops certainly don't have the proficiency to deal with aluminum alloy. They will want to pound it out and smooth it with bondo. Don't let them do it that way! As for who determines where you go, and I am no expert here, but I know insurance adjusters don't just go with your choice. They will go with the lowest of three estimates. Do some research on who's good with alloy bodies. I'm sure there are several Bay area shops that do coachbuilt or classic repairs and have alloy fabrication experience. This is gonna sound nuts but you might even check out aircraft repair & maintainance facilities, if for nothing else, to see if they know who you could go to so the job's done right. The insurance company will probably laugh in your face, so you will have to make the case that this isn't a conventionally constructed vehicle and it requires more than a slide hammer and some putty. Maybe some of the Rover specialists like West Coast British & Rovers North will write a letter for you explaining how the repairs should be done. Good luck! Mo Patrykus 66 109 Regular Los Angeles ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 From bens Sun Jan 6 18:14:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g06NEjE15521 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:14:45 -0500 Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:14:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200201062314.g06NEjr15517@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: it finally quit raining, so... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, I went out to Stubby and investigated. Tranny in neutral, I can push Stubby back and forth. Pull Starter, the Engine will not rotate either correct direction, or opposite direction. The flywheel ring gear is on the flywheel at the small place I could see (where the starter engages it). The valves all look good, meaning one hasn't fallen into the engine. What can lock up an engine in after cranking normally? Can a piece of metal in the oil pump? What's my next step? Pull the tranny back and try to rotate the engine? Pull the oil pan and look at the rods? I'll call the machine shop tomorrow and get their advice. But any suggestions appreciated. cheers, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista From bens Sun Jan 6 23:10:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g074Aj117009 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:10:45 -0500 Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:10:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200201070410.g074Aj017005@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: lro@koan.team.net Cc: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: series III brake tower Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm in the market for a series III brake tower. If anyone has a spare taking up space let me know. If it has the booster and mc, great. If not, no big deal. later RW -- From bens Sun Jan 6 23:29:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g074TvQ17122 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:29:57 -0500 Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:29:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200201070429.g074TuW17118@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Rusty To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Selling Mrs. Peel Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Here is an email I hoped I wouldn't have to post. Rusty Presley wpresley@aces.edu =========================== 1966 Series IIA Long Pickup Delux + extra 2.25P, tranny & transaxle, and lots other misc. series stuff. ALL ORIGINAL SERIES - no other like it! This series has 11,557 original miles. No Body damage, no bondo. Frame, motor, and body in great shape. This series was ordered by the original owner from Rover. It was built for US import specs and market, shipped through Jacksonville, FL, and then to the owner. He then proceeded to chauffeur his dogs (in a box) on his property to hunt. I am the third owner. This Series has never left Alabama. This Series is a serious driver. Engine (2.25 petrol) and drivetrain are sound. Very few (unusually) leaks. I normally drive this rover 1 or 2 days a week. Interior has all the original trim, panels and headliner. One door panel and 2 seats, and some bulkhead trim have new covering. Body is in exceptional condition, bulkhead superb. Because I do drive it, I noticed in the pictures that some of our sand and clay residue looks like rust in the photos. If you want a cleaner view, let me know & I will properly clean it and post the picture. Work I have done on the series includes: new Woodhead shocks; new front ball joints; new swivel ball seals; points, plugs, wires, cap; rear axle check straps; new wires to rear lights; new sleeves for brake & gear handles; new front & rear wheel cylinders; new slave cylinder, clutch master cylinder rebuild. Known issues: could use a new set of rear brake shoes; generator whine on mornings when moisture present. Does not affect charging & goes away when warm. Must sell in a short period of time. I am selling ALL my Series equipment. $24,950 - wpresley@aces.edu - Auburn, AL pictures at http://www.ehs81.org/series/s2a.htm From bens Mon Jan 7 01:18:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g076IJT18770 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 01:18:19 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 01:18:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200201070618.g076IIx18766@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Selling Mrs. Peel Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >ALL ORIGINAL SERIES - no other like it! Not quite. >This Series has never left >Alabama. Does this imply that it comes with a "Roll Tide" bumper sticker and a gun rack for the $24,950? > >Must sell in a short period of time. For that price, I really wouldn't hold my breath. It's a nice truck but it's going to sit for some time at that price. If I had to guess I'd say $14,000 would be pushing your luck. Good Luck to you... > I am selling ALL my Series equipment. > >$24,950 - wpresley@aces.edu - Auburn, AL For that much loot I'd expect to get all the series equipment in the state of Alabama $24,950? woooo hoooooo Cheers, RW -- From bens Mon Jan 7 03:19:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g078J2219346 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 03:19:02 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 03:19:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200201070819.g078J1V19342@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: frozen engine? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John, What, What, your new engine suddenly locked up? Was there any sound or oil problems? If everything under the rocker cover passes scrutiny, and you didn't forget to bolt up the clutch cover(!), and you still can't hand turn the engine even with spark plugs out, I'd pull the pan and check for a spun bearing or mechanical obstruction. If you carefully look at everything that moves, you'll find the problem. By the way, did you measure your bearing clearances (plastigage or micrometer)? Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW 2.25L Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:14:45 -0500 From: john hess Subject: it finally quit raining, so... .....Tranny in neutral, I can push Stubby back and forth. Pull Starter, the Engine will not rotate either correct direction, or opposite direction. The flywheel ring gear is on the flywheel at the small place I could see (where the starter engages it). The valves all look good, meaning one hasn't fallen into the engine. What can lock up an engine in after cranking normally? Can a piece of metal in the oil pump? What's my next step? Pull the tranny back and try to rotate the engine? Pull the oil pan and look at the rods? I'll call the machine shop tomorrow and get their advice. But any suggestions appreciated. cheers, John F. Hess __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From bens Mon Jan 7 03:53:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g078rG819505 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 03:53:16 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 03:53:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200201070853.g078rFp19501@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. Selling Mrs. Peel Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org AGHHEM, >From the pictures, I notice the rear corner galvanizing are held on with pop rivets (not the original solid type). JoeMulqueen '67 SIIA 109 (also delivered new to Jacksonville) =========================== 1966 Series IIA Long Pickup Delux....... ALL ORIGINAL SERIES - no other like it! This series has 11,557 original miles. No Body damage, no bondo........... $24,950 pictures at http://www.ehs81.org/series/s2a.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From bens Mon Jan 7 10:22:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g07FMBK21472 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:22:11 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:22:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200201071522.g07FMA321467@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: frozen engine? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi John H, plus all, I have lost your previous notes about the engine problem. But I wonder if you heard noises? I don't recall you saying so, but it sounds really frozen. Now I wonder if there was a screw on oil filter adapter added too? There have been more than a few that were put on backwards and blocked the oil flow. I recall Roger Sinasohn did his and the filter used the first time apparently didn't have an anti drainback valve, So it was fine for a while until he had the oil changed and replaced the filter with one that did have the valve. That burned his out. Funny, the two that I know first hand were both S2 with next to impossible to get rod bearings. I know Stubby is S2, but hie engine is S2A. Good Luck john, and let us know what is wrong. We are worrying along with you. Bob B At 12:19 AM 1/7/2002, you wrote: >John, >What, What, your new engine suddenly locked up? >Was there any sound or oil problems? If everything >under the rocker cover passes scrutiny, and you didn't >forget to bolt up the clutch cover(!), and you still >can't hand turn the engine even with spark plugs out, >I'd pull the pan and check for a spun bearing or >mechanical obstruction. If you carefully look at >everything that moves, you'll find the problem. By [ 27 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Jan 7 10:22:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g07FMCJ21480 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:22:12 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:22:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200201071522.g07FMCw21476@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: series III brake tower Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Russ, I have a tower from a 69-88 S2A. The booster had a vacuum leak so I swapped it out with a 71 that I had. I wasn't really planning to sell it, but off list if you wish, how much is one worth? Bob B At 08:10 PM 1/6/2002, you wrote: >I'm in the market for a series III brake tower. If anyone has a >spare taking up space let me know. If it has the booster and mc, >great. If not, no big deal. > >later > > >RW >-- From bens Mon Jan 7 10:45:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g07Fj7p21610 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:45:07 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:45:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200201071545.g07Fj6P21606@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: frozen engine? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bob, The screw on oil filter adapter wouldn't go on easily, so I went with the stock set up. (the spin on adapter had some material in the way, so the mounting bolts were just a bit angled.) In the middle of trying to start the engine, it just stopped, no bad noises. That's what has me most confused. cheers, >Hi John H, plus all, >I have lost your previous notes about the engine problem. >But I wonder if you heard noises? I don't recall you saying so, but it >sounds really frozen. >Now I wonder if there was a screw on oil filter adapter added too? There John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista From bens Mon Jan 7 10:45:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g07FjAk21622 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:45:10 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:45:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200201071545.g07FjAA21618@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: frozen engine? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Joe, I had the machine shop assemble the engine. I stuck it in. When attempting to start the engine on day 2, it just locked up. Day 1 I ran it 20 minutes, changed oil and filter, then ran it 20 minutes. Then finally got it all put back together and put 4 miles on it. Oil pressure fine, everything good. Day 2, turn key, crank engine, no start. Pull out choke, crank engine, no start. Then turn key to crank engine and starter engages, but engine doesn't crank. >John, >What, What, your new engine suddenly locked up? >Was there any sound or oil problems? If everything >under the rocker cover passes scrutiny, and you didn't >forget to bolt up the clutch cover(!), and you still >can't hand turn the engine even with spark plugs out, >I'd pull the pan and check for a spun bearing or >mechanical obstruction. If you carefully look at John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista From bens Mon Jan 7 10:45:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g07FjTA21640 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:45:29 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:45:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200201071545.g07FjS221636@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: series III brake tower Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I'm in the market for a series III brake tower. If anyone has a >spare taking up space let me know. If it has the booster and mc, >great. If not, no big deal Russ if it is for the Dormi, chances are very good that it will have the wrong master cylinder unless it is from a SIII 109. Chances are real good you will have to buy a new 109 dual brake master cylinder to go with it. Also use a Mity Vac or other vacume pump/gauge to draw a vacume on the booster to make sure it is in good shape. I learned that one the hard way and ended up with a new head. Contact me when you are ready to plumb it. Take care TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Mon Jan 7 10:48:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g07FmKm21661 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:48:20 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:48:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200201071548.g07FmKt21657@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Matt Wilson To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Somebody hit Rusty Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I wanted to say thanks to everyone that replied to my questions about getting rusty fixed, I think I will get some estimates from a local shop this morning. I know they probably don't have much experience with Land Rovers, but they might know someone who does. just as a starting off place and I will probably call BP and ask them if they can recommend a shop in South central California. I'll post to the list when I get more information Matt W From bens Mon Jan 7 11:22:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g07GMDN21851 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:22:13 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:22:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200201071622.g07GMCn21847@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: frozen engine? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry, I deleted the initial posts.... Can you turn it with the crank John? Does pushing in the clutch change anything? After checking the above, the first thing I'd probably do is pull the valve cover and check for proper valve motion while cranking by hand. Just keeping in mind it may not be the engine internals.... Is your spin-on adapter a Wise Owl one? If so, you might want to see the write-up on my web site for how I installed mine... It's a nice unit, but install was slightly non-trivial. http://www.d-90.com/~daveg/oilfilter/main.html -Dave G. From bens Mon Jan 7 12:01:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g07H1NI22088 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:01:23 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:01:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200201071701.g07H1Mv22084@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hope Peter" To: Subject: Re: re. Selling Mrs. Peel Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > (also delivered new to Jacksonville) > Yeah I was wondering about that...Vehicle spent it whole live in Alabama....I can't seem to find Jacksonville Alabama on a map ;-) Pete From bens Mon Jan 7 12:20:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g07HKn522206 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:20:49 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:20:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200201071720.g07HKi422202@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: re. Selling Mrs. Peel Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >AGHHEM, >From the pictures, I notice the rear corner >galvanizing are held on with pop rivets (not the >original solid type). >JoeMulqueen >>1966 Series IIA Long Pickup Delux....... >>ALL ORIGINAL SERIES - no other like it! This series >>has 11,557 original miles. No Body damage, nobondo.. >>$24,950 >>pictures at http://www.ehs81.org/series/s2a.htm This looks like a fun game. Looking through the pictures, my feeling is that this is a lovely looking 98% complete pickup that has all the signs of being a very well cared for 111,557 mile 109 (which I consider to be low mileage for a '66 109). You are right about the rear corners & pop rivets. Good catch Joe. For those on the LRO list who may not know Joe, he as recently completed one of the nicest restorations I have seen done on his 109 station wagon. He paid an amazing attention to detail to produce a high quality rebuild. The rubber seals for the tail gate also appear to be missing. The stop pads are there but I could not make out any seals below them nor along the bottom. The original chain covers are missing as well. I couldn't make out the detail of the door seals because of the quality of the pictures but one shot leads me to suspect they may possibly not be original. One of the things that leads me to believe that this is a 100K pickup and not a 11K pickup is the wear on the kick panel adjacent to the gas pedal. The material used on the kick panels is resistant to wear like that. For that much wear to have been done in 11K, someone would have to spend lots of time sitting in the rig with the engine off pressing up & down on that corner. Also. looking in the engine compartment: The coil appears to be an aftermarket replacement. They normally do not go belly up in 11K miles. The engine paint looks more consistent with a high mile engine. I've gone through multiple rebuilds in my 109 and at 11K from a new rebuild the engine paint looks WAY better. At 50K the engine paint looks better. Also if memory serves there is a decal that sits on top of the valve cover breather and one on the air cleaner that should still be there at 11K miles. The engine and ancillaries just look too shabby for a low mileage engine. It is a very nice looking apparently well cared for rig from the pictures. Add the rest of the seals, a passenger side door panel, replace the worn centre kick panel, add floor mats, replace the missing dome light and it could look very complete. Looking at it's apparent condition, if the drive train is consistent with the condition of the body, the vehicle appears to be real nice and worth top dollar for a 100K vehicle. If the missing interior pieces were replaced and the engine exterior & ancillaries cleaned up a bit, then the vehicle was carefully marketed to newish Range Rover owning gentleman horse ranchers he might conceivably get asking price. With some patience. He is more apt to get between $15-17K for it from someone new to series rigs who wants a very nice LR to start out with. Just my guesses from the pictures. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Mon Jan 7 14:17:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g07JHdn23006 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:17:39 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:17:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200201071917.g07JHcN23002@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Nick Baggarly" To: Subject: Spin-on Qs (was Re: frozen engine?) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Is your spin-on adapter a Wise Owl one? If so, you might want to see the > write-up on my web site for how I installed mine... It's a nice unit, but > install was slightly non-trivial. > http://www.d-90.com/~daveg/oilfilter/main.html > -Dave G. Dave, Nice writeup! What was your impression of the location on the adapter for the 1/8" NPT port for the pressure gauge fitting? Being so far forward I had to disconnect the metal flex line from the bulkhead and run it clumsily around the back of the engine, over the adapter and, after a 108 degree turn, it screws into the fitting. I would prefer it were located on the other side of the adapter. From the top, this fitting is at 3:00. I'd prefer it at 9:00. Also, you don't cover the gasket much. Mine leaks. Did you use any gasket dressing to make it seal? I used permatex loctite (the purple stuff). It leaked. I tried blue hylomar. It still leaks. Ray has a new (red) gasket available that is a bit thicker but I haven't gotten around to installing it yet. I thought the adapter's bolt hole edges were a bit sharp and could have been processed better. Your crows foot suggestion is excellent. Finally, with the adapter in place, now when I come to a quick stop, the pressure switch is easily triggered, the green dash light illuminates, oil pressure gauge drops to zero. I'm not slamming on the brakes or anything, just stopping real fast. Pressure switch is new, engine oil level is correct, spin-on orientation is correct. This never happened with the stock filter. Nick (who has installed two adapters on two trucks, twice) From bens Mon Jan 7 15:05:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g07K5K723331 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:05:20 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:05:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200201072005.g07K5JL23326@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Spin-on Qs (was Re: frozen engine?) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have to agree, Nick, that the port location is less than ideal from a line-routing standpoint, but my truck didn't have any "original" pressure gage line anyway, so I just routed mine as required. One alternative might be to fit a 90 degree elbow to the adapter before fitting the pressure gage fitting. It might help routing. But then you might have to mount the elbow with the adapter off the truck. The thing I DO like is that the pressure line is taken off of the RETURN line to the engine, AFTER the filter. This way, if your filter gets plugged, you'll see the results on your oil pressure gage. This makes it acceptable (to me) for the adapter design to work without a bypass valve. I would not ask for a different location of the pressure take off if that new location required it to tap into the inlet side of the filter. This might speak to your marginal oil pressure issues. Have you tried some different filters? Maybe you have one on there that's a little too restrictive for your oil pump to deal with....You shouldn't have any bypass valve left to worry about, so that isn't the problem..... But now that I have a good rear main seal, my diesel keeps 40 psi on the gage at warm idle, and that's the gage tapped in after the filter. Like the article said, I'm using a Napa filter. I used Permatex Hylomar HPF on the gasket and I don't have any leaks (from that area!). If I did have a leak, then the next step I take after Hylomar is another Permatex product called "Aviation Form-a-Gasket". But be warned, this stuff is tar and it will be a REAL bear to separate the parts and gaskets later. I don't think I'd use a thicker gasket in this location due to the cantilevered weight of the filter working on it. I'd be making sure both surfaces were very flat for starters. Then I might try assembling them with NO gasket, or maybe one made from a paper sack greased up with Hylomar HPF. -Dave G. From bens Mon Jan 7 16:41:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g07LfZK23907 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:41:35 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:41:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200201072141.g07LfYe23903@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eugene H. Simpson III" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Selling Mrs. Peel Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mendoites, There seems to be some skepticism about Rusty Presley's '66 109 deluxe truck. What he says about the truck is true. I've known and worked with Rusty for many years, I've seen the truck many times, I've worked on it, and I've driven it several times. I've even helped load deer into its bed. Frankly, I'm amazed that he has actually used this truck to go hunting on our club's land (only a 6-7 mile drive). I personally would not have risked it in such a nice rig. But then again, why do we all have our LRs anyway, if not to use them? It is a superb truck! The truck was ordered from the LR factory by an eccentric landowner gentleman in Piedmont, AL, and used exclusively to ferry his bird dogs (in a dog box) over to his nearby farm for occasional sport shooting of quail. It entered the US at the Port of Jacksonville (FL) and was trucked via commercial carrier to Piedmont (documented). The original owner sold it to a British car collector/restorer in Pelham, AL, who did basic maintenance and restoration work, while keeping it garaged until about a year ago. His decision to sell was based solely on a need to free up a garage bay for restoring another Bentley. Rusty bought it from him. Mileage of 11,500+ is correct! I first saw the rig when it had just over 9,800 actual miles. No way can this truck have 111,000 on it. It's just simply too clean throughout. Additionally, I know that Rusty has taken great care to replace or repair items with originality foremost in mind. If the undercarriage were pressure washed to remove traces of Southern red clay, it would be immaculate. This is the cleanest, most original series truck I've ever seen, to include a mint SIIA 88 with 35,000 on the showroom floor at the Greenville, SC LR dealership. Gene Simpson Auburn, AL '64 SIIA 88 "Fetch" '97 Disco SE-7 "Oui Geaux" '95 Dodge Pickup PS-I'm sure no "Roll Tide" stickers or rifle racks are included. We both work at Auburn University (THE University of Alabama), arch-rivals to the Crimson Tide. And no serious Southern hunter would dare use a rack to jiggle the optics in his scope (padded case only, of course). From bens Mon Jan 7 16:48:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g07LmGw23976 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:48:16 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:48:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200201072148.g07LmFf23972@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Nick Baggarly" To: Subject: Re: Spin-on Qs (was Re: frozen engine?) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I used Permatex Hylomar HPF on the gasket and I don't have any leaks (from > that area!). If I did have a leak, then the next step I take after Hylomar > is another Permatex product called "Aviation Form-a-Gasket". But be warned, > this stuff is tar and it will be a REAL bear to separate the parts and > gaskets later. I don't think I'd use a thicker gasket in this location due > to the cantilevered weight of the filter working on it. I'd be making sure > both surfaces were very flat for starters. Then I might try assembling them > with NO gasket, or maybe one made from a paper sack greased up with Hylomar > HPF. I may have improperly seated the adapter by not tightening the bolts together like you mention. I'll be trying it again soon. From bens Mon Jan 7 17:10:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g07MA3K24138 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:10:03 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:10:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200201072210.g07MA2d24134@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hope Peter" To: Subject: Re: Selling Mrs. Peel Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was also wondering why the notice for sale was posted to the Northern California Rover email list? Does the 24k include shipping to the west coast? :-) Pete From bens Mon Jan 7 17:54:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g07Ms1I24387 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:54:01 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:54:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200201072254.g07Ms1324383@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: , Subject: The little Series that could... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This past weekend I took my 1973 Series III 88" - Dr. Gonzo (AKA - the Good Doctor) off-road for the first time since I bought him four months ago. We went to Hollister California and I just wanted to share my utter amazement with the "List". I knew this vehicle would perform but I did not expect it to outperform almost every vehicle that attended. The only vehicle that was able to out climb Gonzo was a fully modified 1973 Bronco mounted with tons of experience and huge rock tires - a massive Rubicon beast. First of all, could the gearing be any better? I just loved the creepy first gear - it was perfect for just oozing down the steep trails. Gonzo was so impressive that he constantly received recognition and praise from locals who clapped and cheered as the Good Doctor went to work on some big obstacles. People appeared to be both amazed and annoyed with the fact that that good Doctor Gonzo was practically stock - not something many of them could claim about their vehicles. While most people floundered and abused their trucks to get to where they were going, Gonzo went slowly and smoothly as if on tracks. Never spinning a tire, never kicking up mud - just like a true gentleman. Gonzo also, much to my amazement, out performed my Series II Discovery with the exception of its rolling point. The Discovery had smaller tires and never seemed at risk of flipping while Gonzo had me worried more than once. Where the Discovery kicked and screamed to get up, Gonzo just crawled - it was inspiring. The highlight of my day was looking up and watching as people left their J**ps and Ford Pickups behind to come watch the Good Doctor get lured into a mud pit for a mean game of follow the leader (lead by a Grand Cherokee). The Cherokee spun tires and whined like a swan caught in a oil slick and I just simply wadded across - stopping to wait for the "leader" to get unstuck and then proceeding to follow him out. It was real comedy. Effortless. Well, I am sure that most of you have experienced the pride and joy that I experienced this past weekend - but I wanted to share my good experience and encourage everyone to get out more often. I have grown a new appreciation for older Land Rover vehicles, like Gonzo, who just keep plugging away, validating themselves not just as classic automobiles but as superior Off-road machines - still capable, and wonderfully unique. Viva la Rover! Brian ------------------------ http://www.roverme.org "Land Rover community, links and email services." From bens Mon Jan 7 17:56:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g07Muhm24420 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:56:43 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:56:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200201072256.g07Muge24416@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Exhaust Sealer Paste Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I just ordered a new right catalytic converter and all new hardware including a new cat to manifold gasket and cat to exhaust system "olive" (crush ring). I'm wondering if anyone uses exhaust sealer paste when installing new exhaust parts and if so what brand works best (and where do you buy it). Kevin Kelly From bens Mon Jan 7 18:27:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g07NR5h24592 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:27:05 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:27:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200201072327.g07NR5V24588@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: The little Series that could... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....I just loved the creepy first gear - it was perfect for just oozing down the steep trails....." Glad you got to see the vehicle truly in it's element. They are pretty inspiring in the hands of a good driver - don't sell your own skills short. Here's hoping your enthusiasm flows unstaunched as the vehicle evidences other sides of it's "creepy", "oozing" character over time. :^) All the best, -Dave G. From bens Mon Jan 7 23:04:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0844XH25979 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:04:33 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:04:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200201080404.g0844WH25975@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: "LRO List" , "Mendo" Subject: 109 for sale... AZ vehicle.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" ] [ 36 lines filtered. ] >From one of the AZLRO's.... looking for something in the $7,000 range. C= ontact me for more info and I'll put you in touch with the owner. =20 Cheers, Gerry PHX AZ 1971 military frame that now has a 1965 109 - 5 door with full safari to= p =20 station wagon body on it. This gives the body a 1 1/2 inch lift. It has a Ford 2.8 V-6 in it. New water pump, alternator, electric fuel =20 pump and battery just put in to get it road worthy. The carb has been =20 rebuilt. There are 36,000 miles on the engine and it was completely =20 rebuilt before being installed. The engine runs fantastic. The clutch was new when the engine went in and is still smooth. The 24 =20 Volt military system was converted to 12 volts during the conversion. New= =20 exhaust system at that time. The exhaust system is still perfect. The body is dent free the paint a bit tired. =20 There is no smoke coming from the exhaust. It has and OD unit and hubs installed. =20 Duel 12 gallon tanks. =20 60 Amp alternator. =20 Adjustable electric fan. =20 HUGE after market heater. If I remember right it is 30,000 BTU. =20 5 core custom radiator that has very few miles on it. I just put in a =20 fresh load of anti freeze. =20 New rear cross member with hitch and 2" ball. I have to take a look at the brakes as they are dragging slightly at this= =20 point. They stop the car but require one pump before working. The interior is typical for a stored vehicle that is of this vintage. Do= or =20 panels rough....seats pretty good. There will be some spare parts going with the vehicle I have not taken =20 inventory yet. A spare set of tires all mounted is one thing. All the books on the Ford engine will go with the car. This 109 can drive to Flagstaff never leaving fourth gear! About 150 hor= se =20 coming out of that engine at highway speed. I have driven across country= =20 several times with it. This vehicle has been owned by me since the early 80's and I hate to see = it =20 come to this but I have not had a paycheck since the war broke out. From bens Mon Jan 7 23:26:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g084QoN26102 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:26:50 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:26:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200201080426.g084Qn426098@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Ogilvie" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: re. Selling Mrs. Peel Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Also, the spot welds are completely absent on the left side and only partially there on the right. Wonder how much bondo there is in the body. Aloha Peter >From: joe mulqueen >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo >Subject: re. Selling Mrs. Peel >Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 03:53:15 -0500 > >AGHHEM, >From the pictures, I notice the rear corner >galvanizing are held on with pop rivets (not the [ 22 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Tue Jan 8 00:15:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g085F3w26787 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:15:03 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:15:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200201080515.g085F3J26778@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: "Mendo Recce Mailing List" Subject: Mendocino Forest Road Survey Meetings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Those interested in the fate of roads in Mendocino National Forest, take note: An article in the Ukiah Daily Journal's 1 January 2002 edition announced that, "The Mendocino National Forest is beginning a review of its forest road system as part of the new National Forest Service road management policy announced earlier this year." "'We will be actively soliciting advice from the public as we conduct the Roads Analysis Process during the next few months,' said Forest Supervisor Jim Fenwood. 'People who are interested in the management of roads on the Mendocino are encouraged to participate in the RAP.'" [parts skipped] "There are currently over 2,500 miles of roads within the... Forest. The needs for these roads have been changing in recent years. In addition, declining budgets make it necessary to examine the number of miles of roads the Forest can afford to effectively manage." [lots more skipped] The public meetings will be: 26 January, Ukiah, 1-3 pm, BLM office, conference room, 2250 N. State Street. 2 February, Chico, 10am-Noon, Melody Hall, 621 Mangrove Avenue 5 February, Willows, 6:30-8:30 pm, Mendocino NF Supervisor's Office, 825 N. Humboldt Ave. For more information, contact Mike VanDame or Phebe Brown at (530) 934-3316. Granny From bens Tue Jan 8 05:16:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g08AGDF28783 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 05:16:13 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 05:16:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200201081016.g08AGDg28779@minbar.fourfold.org> From: SFmms@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Mojave Road Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi all: All my prep work on Red Rufy and Barbaros paid off! I drove Barbaros from Big Bear to Laughlin and back, then home from Big Bear to the San Fernando Valley with no incident. It was a good thing I had the head problems and manifold gasket leak fixed. Red Rufy got towed behind our Ford Expedition with its custom towbar. As to the Mojave Road, we only went in our own trucks on January 3rd, since we didn't find anyone else. I lead successfully even after our GPS died and only having been on the trail one time, putting in a good 40 miles off road on the first leg of the trail starting from the Needles Highway. We visited the Petroglyphs, Fort Piute, went up to 4500 feet or so. We drove out on the Goffs-Lanfair Road back to 40 and on to Laughlin. Unfortunately the museum at Goffs was closed, so I couldn't stop by to see David Casebier. Got sick the next day and wasn't able to do any more. We plan on going again in spring sometime. Karen Sindir From bens Tue Jan 8 09:47:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g08El2Z30178 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 09:47:02 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 09:47:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200201081447.g08El1r30174@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: series III brake tower Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >Russ if it is for the Dormi, chances are very good that it will have the >wrong master cylinder unless it is from a SIII 109. I think I just scored a new series III dual mc for a 109 for $100 on LRX (Thannks Nick) > >Also use a Mity Vac or other vacume pump/gauge to draw a vacume on the >booster to make sure it is in good shape. I learned that one the hard way >and ended up with a new head. This I don't understand. Bad booster toasted your head?? Please explain oh princess of the Green Rover... -- From bens Tue Jan 8 10:24:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g08FOWL30528 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:24:32 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:24:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200201081524.g08FOW730524@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: series III brake tower Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 06:47 AM 1/8/2002, you wrote: > >Also use a Mity Vac or other vacume pump/gauge to draw a vacume on the > >booster to make sure it is in good shape. I learned that one the hard way > >and ended up with a new head. > >This I don't understand. Bad booster toasted your head?? Please >explain oh princess of the Green Rover... Hi, A vacuum leak undetected will be making it run lean which can burn valves etc. Bob B From bens Tue Jan 8 11:55:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g08Gte131064 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:55:40 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:55:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200201081655.g08GtdC31060@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: We need help on trail 21 Please! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello all: The Rangers in Mendocino need our help clearing trees from trail 21. The plan is to meet at the Stonyford Forest Service station Friday 1/11 at 9:00am and then head up to Sullivan Ridge to begin clearing trail 21 from the top down. I expect about a half day of work and then we can hit a restaurant and head home. I know this is short notice, but the NCRC and the Forest Service would greatly appreciate your help. You need only bring a pair of gloves and maybe a saw. Anyone interested in helping should contact me immediately at jeffrogers@earthlink.net or (408) 867-3419. I will most likely be heading up on Thursday night and camping. Happy New Year to everyone! -->Jeff >We have several trees down on trail 21. Would your club be able to >come up and clear the trail? Soon? >Thanks, >Matthew Piper, USFS Mendocino N.F. >Grindstone Ranger District >Off-Highway Vehicle Management Specialist From bens Tue Jan 8 13:00:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g08I0v431444 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:00:57 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:00:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200201081800.g08I0uP31440@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Rob Modica To: Mendo_Recce Subject: Hi Mo -- Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Mo -- That explains your absence. The Series I is down to the frame and about half of it is stripped and painted. I'm on sabbatical this semster and the Series I will get a lot more of my time. Got a few plans for the 109 also -- new weatherstripping, body seals, Rochester, some minor things that have been neglected for too long. Maybe even some upholstery and new seats. If you ever get back to Tucson give a holler. Rob Mo wrote: >Hi Rob! Actually I moved to LA in August of 99. If you recall, the last time >we saw each other was at your house- nice get together- and my 109 was not >finished yet. I had Desert Diesel rebuild the motor but gave up on that lump From bens Tue Jan 8 14:47:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g08JlXT32014 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:47:33 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:47:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200201081947.g08JlWN32010@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: series III brake tower Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >This I don't understand. Bad booster toasted your head?? Please >explain oh princess of the Green Rover... blush... The booster is attached to the intake manifold via a vacume line. The vacume in the intake manifold moves a diphram inside the booster. If the diaphram develops a hole, air comes into the intake manifold from the booster and leans out the air fuel ratio going into the cylinders. Too lean a mixture creates local overheating which tends to roast exhaust valves and can cause head cracks. My head had multiple cracks and multiple burt valves. My engine got me home from the Four corners area but I had to stop an hour or so every half hour or so for the engine to cool down. Took me a few extra days to drive home. Good score on the master cylinder! Look at the underside from the side. If there is a step about half way along the bottom it is a 109 master cylinder. If the bottom is straight with no step it is an 88 master cylinder. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Tue Jan 8 15:39:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g08Kdnw32324 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:39:49 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:39:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200201082039.g08Kdml32320@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: Re: 109 pickup Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: re. Selling Mrs. Peel I also noticed the absence of the original hammer rivets. As for the spotweld marks on the bed that Peter mentioned, I think they are there, just faint. And yes, as TeriAnn says, the engine bay looks like higher miles, but I think this is just the patina of age. After all, it's pretty tidy, and everything in in the right place. The wiring is not the mess it should be in a high mileage truck. This is a very clean 109 pickup. Look at the details. Consider that the tools are still in place behind the seats. And the rubber bumpers that the seat backs rest against are all there too but clearly are not new. Look at the condition of the headliner, especially at the leading edge of the truck cab. These are details that make me believe that even if it isn't an 11,000 miler, it's certainly low mileage. Maybe the speedo cable was broken and the truck went 5 or 8 thou before it was fixed. In any case, these photos have demonstrated a few things: 1. There are some very sharp enthusiasts on this list. 2. Sometimes, pics on the web prompt more questions than they answer. 3. No two Land-Rovers are alike, and neither is the care they get. In any case, I would love to be able to see this 109 up close. The pics are a little frustrating because they're not in sharp focus. Scrape some of that gunk off the motor, try to find traces of repaint overspray, etc. I'll bet it's pretty close to what the owner is representing. Mo Patrykus 66 109 Regular (high mileage, restored, dubious pedigree, but still lots o' fun) Los Angeles ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 From bens Tue Jan 8 22:10:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g093AAD01687 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:10:10 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:10:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200201090310.g093A9f01683@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: lean machine Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >At 06:47 AM 1/8/2002, you wrote: >> >Also use a Mity Vac or other vacume pump/gauge to draw a vacume on the >> >booster to make sure it is in good shape. I learned that one the hard way >> >and ended up with a new head. >> >>This I don't understand. Bad booster toasted your head?? Please >>explain oh princess of the Green Rover... > >Hi, [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- That would have to be a pretty bad vacuum leak going undetected for a loooooong time. Cheers RW From bens Tue Jan 8 22:59:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g093xct01923 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:59:38 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:59:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200201090359.g093xbg01919@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: OT digital cameras Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hiya, A decade ago (or more) we had a auto focus Minolta camera that had something like 5 focus points. All too often, when taking pictures of things 4-6 or so feet away, the focus would be crappy. eventually, we stepped up to a simple autofocus with something like an infinite number of focal points defined by contrast, the Minolta Maxxum, which has been a great camera. If I buy something like a Canon Elph digital, which is auto focus, will it have a few focus points, or be infinite? My quick perusing of the web doesn't seem to list this spec. cheers, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista From bens Wed Jan 9 11:59:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g09GxjZ06606 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:59:45 -0500 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:59:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200201091659.g09GxiT06602@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Matt Wilson To: "Mendo_Recce (E-mail)" Subject: Somebody hit Rusty.. Update. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org First thanks to every one that replied to my question regarding setting a Value on rusty and dealing with the insurance company. Status: Rusty is at a local Shop getting repaired. The Estimate is for $3200. I am really surprised at how easy it has been I dropped of the truck yesterday for the Estimate and when I went to pick it up last night they said there were no Problems with the insurance covering the cost and they would call for a rental car. The repair: (I wish I had a digital camera to show the list the damage) I left a BP parts catalog with the shop, they are ordering some new pieces but are not planning on replacing the side skin. At first I want sure about it, but we walked around the truck and they explained how they were going to do the repair. The guy I was talking to owns a series two and said he did a similar repair on his truck. he said it came out great and they did the same repair to my coworkers D90, it looks fine except they used different rivets. You wouldn't notice unless some one pointed it out to you. we left it that they would start the repair and call me when they have it straight but before the application of the paint. If I'm not happy they will replace the panel. This shop has done repaired thee other cars of mine and I have always been happy with the workmanship. The bottom line is Rusty is not a show truck, but a trail runner if the repair is good then I'm stoked. Like said my main concern was that I would get the run around, like "Mr. Wilson here's $500 bucks, go away" but that doesn't seem to be the case. The hardest part was leaving Rusty behind..... Matt W PS Toyota Corolla's they might have a Radio but they have no soul From bens Wed Jan 9 13:09:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g09I9vL06955 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:09:57 -0500 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:09:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200201091809.g09I9vM06951@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hope Peter" To: "lr PCRC" Subject: Jerry Can Rack Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A friend just built a rear swing away jerry can rack for his 88". Photos and story are in the how-to section at www.aloharovers.com Pete From bens Wed Jan 9 14:07:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g09J7Iv07259 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:07:18 -0500 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:07:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200201091907.g09J7Ia07255@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Jerry Can Rack Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, I've had one on Sherman for 11 or 13 years now. It holds the spare and one jerry can. I built it from existing parts from a 4WD wrecker. Pics also available but not on the web. Bob B At 10:09 AM 1/9/2002, you wrote: >A friend just built a rear swing away jerry can rack for his 88". >Photos and story are in the how-to section at www.aloharovers.com >Pete From bens Wed Jan 9 14:36:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g09Ja0207402 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:36:00 -0500 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:36:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200201091936.g09Ja0907398@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Tyre Problem Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, I'm have a wear problem with my front tyres on my 109. Please check out the web site if you have time and let me know what you think. If the front end needs work then I'd like to take care of it before doing this to a new set of tyres. My Truck: 69 Series IIA 109 Regular 11 Leaf front original springs New Land Rover Shocks (March 2001) Goodyear Hi-Miler Xtra Grip Bias Ply Tyres from Morrocco Side note: I took the pictures Downloaded to iPhoto in OSX Copied to my iTools iDisk Put them in Homepage (iTools) and sent this email in just 15 minutes!!! Technology is sooooooo coooool!!! Thanks again, Keith PS: please respond directly as I'm a digest version guy... From bens Wed Jan 9 15:18:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g09KIBc07586 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:18:11 -0500 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:18:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200201092018.g09KIAM07582@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hope Peter" To: Subject: Re: Jerry Can Rack Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Bob. Send em and I will post em if you like ;-) Pete > Hi, I've had one on Sherman for 11 or 13 years now. It holds the spare and > one jerry can. I built it from existing parts from a 4WD wrecker. > Pics also available but not on the web. > > Bob B From bens Wed Jan 9 17:59:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g09Mxu508471 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:59:56 -0500 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:59:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200201092259.g09MxtZ08467@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: OT digital cameras Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hiya John, I got lucky on Google and came up with this site for the "Powershot S100 Digital Elph": http://www.canon.co.jp/Imaging/ELPH/ELPH.html I'm not sure if this is the model you're after, but for this one, it specifically touts the 3-point focusing system and says the following: "....Uses three different focus points, and selects from the three focus results the point that will assure the best focus on the target......" I think focusing in a digital P&S camera is sort of high end to begin with. IE - many are fixed focus. All the best, -Dave G. From bens Wed Jan 9 19:07:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0A07s408790 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 19:07:54 -0500 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 19:07:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200201100007.g0A07rr08786@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: urethane motor mounts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Interesting... There's a guy on the RN BBoard who's making polyurethane motor mounts. Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From bens Wed Jan 9 20:23:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0A1Nsb09152 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:23:54 -0500 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:23:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200201100123.g0A1NrH09148@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Arif Razvi" To: , Subject: Pictures from the "Mojave Road 2002" trip! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Here is the link to my pictures from the trip. Please forward along to others :) The movie, unfortunately, is 15 minutes long...so it looks like I won't be able to post it. I will try to make a slim version for e-mailing. Arif http://www.arifrazvi.com/image_library/mojaveroad2002/ From bens Wed Jan 9 20:37:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0A1b0w09229 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:37:00 -0500 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:36:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200201100136.g0A1axQ09225@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: urethane motor mounts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org wouldn't those be harder and wear out sooner? >Interesting... >There's a guy on the RN BBoard who's making >polyurethane motor mounts. >Joe Mulqueen >'67 SIIA 109 SW > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista From bens Wed Jan 9 21:01:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0A21Dp09363 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 21:01:13 -0500 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 21:01:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200201100201.g0A21CP09359@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: urethane motor mounts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >wouldn't those be harder and wear out sooner? I would be more concerned that the harder poly bushings would transmit more vibrations from the engine to the frame. My frame had a number of little hairline cracks around the frame brakets for the engine mounts. And I was using rubber mounts that absorb the vibrations better than poly. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Wed Jan 9 23:09:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0A49M810207 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 23:09:22 -0500 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 23:09:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200201100409.g0A49M810203@minbar.fourfold.org> From: SFmms@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Vacuum booster leak - warning signs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 18 lines filtered. ] TeriAnn writes: > The booster is attached to the intake manifold via a vacuum > line. The vacuum in the intake manifold moves a diaphragm inside the > booster. If the diaphragm develops a hole, air comes into the intake > manifold from the booster and leans out the air fuel ratio going into the > cylinders. Too lean a mixture creates local overheating which tends to > roast exhaust valves and can cause head cracks What she said... Seriously, I had my SIII booster go out too, but had figured it out before toasting valves. Early warning signs may include erratic idle, noticeable changes in idle when depressing brake pedal, rattling sounds as the anti-suckback valve on the booster tries to adjust, engine runs hotter for no other apparent reason. Also it pays to inspect the vacuum line, which should be replaced at the time the booster is replaced. Cracks can form inside which may not be visible on the outside, but they still could affect the vacuum. The hose material may become hardened such that it does not seal at the end connections. Also it is bad for the rubber of the diaphragm if gasoline fumes are accumulating in the vacuum line and that condition should be rectified. Someday, I am going to teardown my old unit to see how it failed. Karen Sindir From bens Thu Jan 10 00:39:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0A5ddm11686 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:39:39 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:39:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200201100539.g0A5ddD11682@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Fw: Kelly Minnick's RR for Sale, etc. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kelly Minnick asked me to post this message regarding his '89 RR for sale: _________________________________________________ I've decided to try & sell the R.Rover again. I was wondering if you could post it to the RRO list and Mendo for me? How's the list doing? I have a buddy thinking about buying a FreeLander. He wants to know if you can put a winch on them??? I was also wondering if some R.Rover owner who has upgraded rear bumpers might have a right rear bumper cap to sell??? [snip] This is a 110K mile Classic R.Rover with all the major R.Rover problems repaired. The engine has just recently been rebuilt. Other rebuilt items: PS box, transmission, FlowMaster 3-stage exhaust, O2 sensors, battery, PS pump, Bilsteins, OME Medium springs, K&N filter, 265/75 X 16 Coopers, etc. The vehicle is poppy red/tan leather w/sunroof. See my web site for more detailed info at: http://home1.gte.net/kminnick/index.htm I'm asking $5500 Contact me for more picts/ info. at: kminnick@gte.net From bens Thu Jan 10 02:22:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0A7MNW12163 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:22:23 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:22:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200201100722.g0A7MMT12159@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: urethane motor mounts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >From: TeriAnn Wakeman >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: " mendo rec list" >Subject: Re: urethane motor mounts >Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 21:01:12 -0500 > > >wouldn't those be harder and wear out sooner? > >I would be more concerned that the harder poly bushings would transmit [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] There is a trend in Portland to move away from poly bushings. I have personally had several OME bushings fail completely, and I have seen no less than a dozen other trucks (mostly coil sprung) have similar, if not worse, failures. I have not witnessed frame cracking, but it would not surprize me on an older vehicle. Admittedly, there are a few places on a vehicle where poly would be used to your advantage. Unfortunately they aren't the majority. I don't think the LR engineer's had a choice between poly or rubber when they designed the system, but IMO, this is a case where the factory bushings are better than poly. The EXTREMELY bad thing about the rubber bushings is that you really need a serious press-tool to get them installed. Oh well. You make your choices.... Later, Michael _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Thu Jan 10 09:42:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0AEgAJ14196 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:42:10 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:42:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200201101442.g0AEg9C14192@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Vacuum booster leak - warning signs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've thought about tearing my old one apart to see also. Too bad we can't get the diaphragm any more. Bob B At 08:09 PM 1/9/2002, you wrote: >Also it is bad for the rubber of the diaphragm if gasoline fumes >are accumulating in the vacuum line and that condition should be rectified. > >Someday, I am going to teardown my old unit to see how it failed. > >Karen Sindir From bens Thu Jan 10 09:54:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0AEscs14255 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:54:38 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:54:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200201101454.g0AEsc314251@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: urethane motor mounts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >There is a trend in Portland to move away from poly bushings. I have >personally had several OME bushings fail completely, I too have a 'feeling' (no hard numbers) that the poly bushings can wear out faster than the rubber ones. But it seems to me like the ease off replacment makes the shorter service span OK as long as you pay attention to them. I'm currently using the so called soft poly bushings on the assumption that they absorb more vibrations than the standard poly bushings. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Thu Jan 10 12:07:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0AH7jp14943 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:07:45 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:07:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200201101707.g0AH7iq14939@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hannaford, Morgan" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Series 16" rims for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I am replacing the rims on my 88" with the NATO style. The 4 coming off are up for sale. They are the 5.5"x16 109 style rims. All are straight and in good condition. They have some surface rust and could use the wire wheel - rustoleum treatment. They are shod with well-worn 235-85-16 Cooper STT mud tires. $100 takes all 4 with or without the tires. e-mail me off the list please. -Morgan (the original Mo) mhannaford@shastacollege.edu From bens Thu Jan 10 13:14:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0AIEgB15322 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:14:42 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:14:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200201101814.g0AIEfD15318@minbar.fourfold.org> From: FHY To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Emeryville lunch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Blair, Fil, others? Really short notice but I'm meeting Mehdi at Emeryville Market 11:45 a.m. for lunch. Wanna join us? Frank From bens Thu Jan 10 13:25:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0AIP1c15399 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:25:01 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:25:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200201101825.g0AIP0S15393@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: Subject: Re: Emeryville lunch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Drats! I wish these lunches were on the weekends! Brian On 1/10/02 10:14 AM, "FHY" wrote: > > Hey Blair, Fil, others? > > Really short notice but I'm meeting Mehdi at Emeryville Market 11:45 > a.m. for lunch. Wanna join us? > > Frank > > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ------------------------ http://www.roverme.org "Land Rover community, links and email services." From bens Thu Jan 10 13:30:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0AIUx915461 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:30:59 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:30:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200201101830.g0AIUwp15457@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: frozen engine? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi John Hess, Any news on Stubby's engine yet? Hoping for the best, Bob B From bens Thu Jan 10 14:01:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0AJ1UM15637 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:01:30 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:01:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200201101901.g0AJ1T515633@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Tyre Problem... URL Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, I'm a bone head... I forgot to include the link to my tyre pictures in my last post... I guess I got too jazzed about the techno garb! Here's the url: http://homepage.mac.com/shukait/PhotoAlbum4.html Thanks, Keith From bens Thu Jan 10 14:38:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0AJcNJ15841 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:38:23 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:38:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200201101938.g0AJcMU15837@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Emeryville lunch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org sorry guys, too busy at work, how about dim sum this coming sunday ?, i'll take the 109 have fun, fil >From: FHY >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Emeryville lunch >Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:14:41 -0500 > >Hey Blair, Fil, others? > >Really short notice but I'm meeting Mehdi at Emeryville Market 11:45 [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Thu Jan 10 16:03:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0AL31b16263 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:03:01 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:03:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200201102103.g0AL30N16259@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: Subject: La Salle Door Trim Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Has anyone used the La Salle Door trim kits before? I am curious as to their quality, how well they fit your door and any other info you might have. If you happen to have some pictures of your installed trim to share - I would greatly appreciate it. The images on the La Salle website are hard to see. Thanks Brian ------------------------ http://www.roverme.org "Land Rover community, links and email services." From bens Thu Jan 10 16:25:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0ALPJp16379 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:25:19 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:25:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200201102125.g0ALPJx16375@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: RE: Emeryville lunch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 31 lines filtered. ] Make it next Sunday, and I am in. Mehdi From bens Thu Jan 10 17:51:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0AMp3D16886 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:51:03 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:51:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200201102251.g0AMp2K16882@minbar.fourfold.org> From: FHY To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Emeryville lunch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Fil, OK. Let's do this coming Sunday. I spoke to Mehdi and he say he'll make it. 10A in front? Frank ------------------------------------------------ Fil F. wrote: >sorry guys, too busy at work, how about dim sum this coming sunday ?, i'll >take the 109 > >have fun, >fil > From bens Fri Jan 11 10:07:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0BF7OM22813 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:07:24 -0500 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:07:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200201111507.g0BF7OB22809@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Emeryville lunch - now Dim Sum sunday Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ok, i'm in, see you guys this sunday' fil >From: FHY >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: Emeryville lunch >Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:51:02 -0500 > >Hey Fil, > >OK. Let's do this coming Sunday. I spoke to Mehdi and he say he'll [ 18 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Fri Jan 11 11:55:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0BGtP423368 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:55:25 -0500 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:55:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200201111655.g0BGtOa23364@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" To: , Subject: Preliminary pre trip announcement - April Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This is a preliminary pre-pre-trip announcement to see if there may be any interest in a trip along South Western U.S. wagon trail routes. Time: Sometime in April 2002 Time length: About 7 to 10ish days States: Arizona and California Proposed route: From East to West follow the El Camino Del Diablo and Majove trails. Try to find trails between the two, possibly trails East of El Camino del Diablo and possibly trails West of the Majove Trail. Degree of difficulty: Easy. High clearance 4X4 required. Some areas of deep sand. Notes: This is primarily a sight seeing overland trip though some of the oldest trails in the South American desert. Stops & side trips to points of historic interest. Stops for photos. I anticipate this to be a slow rambling trip with experiencing the scenery and getting a sense of history being more important than getting from point A to point B quickly. The El Camino del Diablo trail is about 250 miles long, the Majove trail is around 130 miles long. In some places individual vehicle permits required, in some places open fires are not permitted (Contained charcoal fires OK). I have not sat down with the maps yet. I would love to hear from anyone who has done the area between Yuma and Needles. Please contact me directly (twakeman@cruzers.com) if you may be interested in coming along. See you on th trail, TeriAnn From bens Fri Jan 11 13:17:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0BIH6623774 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:17:06 -0500 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:17:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200201111817.g0BIH5m23770@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Recent Mojave Road trip question... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Question for those that went on the recent Mojave Road trip. Obviously we never met up with the group going west on the trail, but we were trying to figure out how close we might have been to running into one another. To that end, where was the group camped on the night of the the 30th and 31st? We left the Dow clan early morning on Sunday the 30th and camped that night at the base of the Cinder Cones near the Mojave Trail. The next night, the 31st, we camped tucked back away in Caruthers Canyon. Were we close at all, or did we miss one another by a wide margin? Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Fri Jan 11 13:33:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0BIX4W23852 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:33:04 -0500 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:33:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200201111833.g0BIX3b23848@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Going to the camper show(VERy Very little rover content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cynthia and I are going to the camper show this weekend in Pleasanton. Were looking at popups so Crystal can go to Mendo this year. I am really interested in the Aliner, because of its light weight and expedition package; it looks like a great little camper. No airstream for us, although the new Bambi's are nice, but about $10000 more than we have. Anyone have an opinion on popups. I grew up camping in a old starcraft. -Rob From bens Fri Jan 11 15:37:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0BKbpY24462 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:37:51 -0500 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:37:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200201112037.g0BKbpO24458@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Going to the camper show(VERy Very little rover content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >Cynthia and I are going to the camper show this weekend in Pleasanton. Where? When? any other details? TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Fri Jan 11 15:54:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0BKsfA24552 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:54:41 -0500 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:54:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200201112054.g0BKsfb24548@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Going to the camper show(VERy Very little rover content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 21 lines filtered. ] At the Alameda County fair. January 11-21 - Fri. (1/11), Mon. (1/21) 2002 Manufacturers' RV Show & Sale Presented by: RV Promotions, Inc. Hours: 10 a.m. to 8 p.m. (Mon.-Sat.); 10 a.m. to 6 p.m. (Sun., Final Mon.). Cost: $8 adults; $6 seniors; $3 youth (5-18); free for children 4 and under; $5 parking. Summary: Largest RV show on the West Coast; over one million square feet of motorhomes, fifth wheels, van conversions, cab-over campers, pop-up tents, and a large vendor building. Contact: 925-484-0745. http://www.alcofairgrounds.com for directions -Rob From bens Fri Jan 11 19:00:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0C00C425503 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:00:12 -0500 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:00:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200201120000.g0C00BX25499@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: Disco II factory repair manual Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I want to get a copy as a gift for someone. Where is the best place to get one. BP has it for 160. Thanks Mehdi From bens Fri Jan 11 19:02:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0C02DM25535 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:02:13 -0500 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:02:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200201120002.g0C02Cd25531@minbar.fourfold.org> From: StevHutch@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Camper show and... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 17 lines filtered. ] I have thought about this a bit. My dream rover-towed camper would be an offroad beefed teardrop trailer. Made with composite materials too if I was a rich man. (lite & strong/maybe bulletproof? kevlar paneling..heh) One of these days I am going to build one....That or one of those Matt Helm inflatible house-tents that pops outta the trunk. In other news...Robin & I are now happy parents...an 8 lb 15 oz boy was born to us in mid. Nov. Another future rover nut is added to the Bay area. - Steve Hutchins 'proud as heck' > . I am really > interested in the Aliner, because of its light weight and expedition > package; it looks like a great little camper. No airstream for us, although > the new Bambi's are nice, but about $10000 more than we have. From bens Fri Jan 11 19:48:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0C0mTt25765 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:48:29 -0500 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:48:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200201120048.g0C0mSI25761@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Detroit Motor Show Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org As expected the next RR was shown at the Detroit Motor Show -- see http://detnews.com/2002/autoshow/0201/07/autos-384545.htm I am accepting donations to allow me to afford a used one by about the time it goes out of production! Cheers John From bens Fri Jan 11 21:47:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0C2ljU26424 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:47:45 -0500 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:47:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200201120247.g0C2liA26420@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: you were curious.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hiya, Re: Stubby's engine. I called the machine shop Monday; They called friends and arranged for a real mechanic to look at the engine. Wednesday I used Triple A to tow Stubby to the shop. This morning I got a call from the shop, he was fixed! From the report: "Enine recently rebuilt, parked and now won't turnover. Remove oil pan and found #1 rod with no forward backward movement. Removed cap, engine turns free and easy, cleaned up bearing and reinstalled." Obviously I will monitor Stubby closely, but the important thing is that it seems fine. I drove form Woodland to Davis on rd 99, about 45-50 mph. thanks for everyone's help and ideas. PS. Does anyone want to buy an OD? What are they worth? I could be talked into buying a new tranny with a high ratio transfer case, if the OD could bring in a bit of money. John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista From bens Fri Jan 11 21:56:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0C2uBe26485 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:56:11 -0500 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:56:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200201120256.g0C2uAT26481@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: Missed Mojave Meeting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason- On the night of the 30th we were camped at the base of a sand dune southeast of Soda Lake. I'm not looking at a map right now but I think the cinder cones are east of there, just before you cross a highway and just after you pass the mailbox (if you're going west). On the 31st we were camped at Red Rock Canyon , space 34 & 35. Hard to see how we could have missed each other, unless you or we were on a side trip as the other party passed on the trail. Maybe someone else has a better internal compass than me. Mo Patrykus 66 109 Regular Los Angeles ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 From bens Sat Jan 12 00:23:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0C5NIb28038 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 00:23:18 -0500 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 00:23:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200201120523.g0C5NGM28034@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: Detroit Motor Show Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John wrote: > As expected the next RR was shown at the Detroit Motor Show -- see > http://detnews.com/2002/autoshow/0201/07/autos-384545.htm The article there mentioned a couple of interesting features, such as "interconnected air springs" (shades of Kinetic Suspension?) and "a dual range transfer gearbox with the ability to shift on-the-fly from low to high gear ratios" which I say is about bloody time! Syncromesh gears in the xfer box, I presume. > I am accepting donations to allow me to afford a used one by about the time it > goes out of production! Yeah, John, I'll keep you in mind next time I'm handing out stipends. Granny From bens Sat Jan 12 01:27:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0C6RNV28304 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 01:27:23 -0500 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 01:27:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200201120627.g0C6RNh28300@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: U-joint replacement Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Thursday & Friday I finally cracked open my leaky transmission brake, replaced the rear oil seal & rehabbed the whole lot. Nice to have a real parking brake again. Anyway, while I had the driveshaft out I was going to replace a U-joints but after pulling the snap-rings and pounding on the yoke for awhile, I gave up. Daylight was waning. The joints are not shot but the have been in there awhile, the bearing caps are rusty, and it will take some doing to replace them. Does anyone have any tricks they care to share to make dismantling u-joints easier? Should I just take them into a machine shop and have them do it? I am not shy about working on the 109 but time is a consideration. Mo Patrykus 66 109 Regular Los Angeles ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 From bens Sat Jan 12 02:57:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0C7vGX28449 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 02:57:16 -0500 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 02:57:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200201120757.g0C7vF928445@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: RE: Camper show and... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In other news...Robin & I are now happy parents...an 8 lb 15 oz boy was born to us in mid. Nov. Another future rover nut is added to the Bay area. Congratulations. From bens Sat Jan 12 03:01:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0C81tk28472 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 03:01:55 -0500 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 03:01:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200201120801.g0C81sN28468@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: RE: U-joint replacement Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Should I just take them into a machine shop and have them do it? Mo, I just did that on my SIII. I banged and banged, then I took to a local shop and they took off the old ones and pressed on the new ones for $24. Is worthed. On my 109 it was easier, and I did it myself. From bens Sat Jan 12 03:25:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0C8PvT28527 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 03:25:57 -0500 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 03:25:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200201120825.g0C8Pu528523@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: Keith's Tyre Problem Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Keith, I had the same kind of wear on a set of Pirellis. No, they were NOT on my Rover. But I was told there were three contributing factors: 1. Too much toe-in. 2. Negative camber combined with my propensity for hard cornering. 3. The Pirellis were soft rubber- sticky (good for hard cornering) but bad for longevity. Could be that you have too much toe-in and the Moroccan tires are built soft to cope with poor road surfaces. On good ol' sturdy American blacktop may be too much for them. Hope this helps. Mo Patrykus '66 109 Regular Los Angeles ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 From bens Sat Jan 12 09:38:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0CEcWF30133 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:38:32 -0500 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:38:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200201121438.g0CEcV230129@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: U-joint replacement Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Does >anyone have any tricks they care to share to make dismantling u-joints >easier? Personally, when I encounter reluctant U joints, I just take the prop shaft to my local automotive machine shop. No fus, no mus, quick if they are not backed up and inexpensive. >I am not shy about working on the 109 but time is a consideration. Did you ever check the breather in your fuel cap and get a fuel pressure reading on your fuel pump? TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Sat Jan 12 12:45:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0CHjOZ31008 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:45:24 -0500 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:45:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200201121745.g0CHjOm31004@minbar.fourfold.org> From: LRDino@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #636 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Gang, Anyone experience a sticky driver side door lock on their 95 Disco? I'm tempted to try a shot of WD-40. I now have to manually lock and unlock the driver side door. Also the rear door lock sticks. With 108,000 miles on Tally Ho I'm wondering if its time for some "major " maintenance work. Any recommendations for a good clutch repair shop here in Sacramento? Hubacher Land Rover quoted me a price of $1,100.00 to replace the clutch. Thanks, Dino 5 Speed Disco From bens Sat Jan 12 13:23:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0CINZV31204 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:23:35 -0500 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:23:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200201121823.g0CINYl31200@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Aidan McLeer" To: Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #636 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi there I don't know if it would be closer for you or not but I have just started working at Land Rover Rocklin, and we will be officially open for business on Monday 14th, if you would like to call for an estimate, and talk to our service writer Jim, (who owns a 95 D90 and a 95 disco 5 speed) Later Aidan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 9:45 AM Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #636 From bens Sat Jan 12 13:39:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0CIdOd31276 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:39:24 -0500 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:39:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200201121839.g0CIdNK31272@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #636 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 09:45 AM 1/12/2002, you wrote: >Anyone experience a sticky driver side door lock on their 95 Disco? I'm >tempted to try a shot of WD-40. I now have to manually lock and unlock the >driver side door. >Any recommendations for a good clutch repair shop here in Sacramento? >Hubacher Land Rover quoted me a price of $1,100.00 to replace the clutch. > >Thanks, > >Dino 5 Speed Disco Wow! Prices like that make me happy to be a DIYer. What are parts? Maybe $100 to $150? I think last time I replaced Shermans clutch (69-88) it cost less than $100. Parts were from a local parts supplier rather than LR. While the WD40 will most likely loosen the lock up, I've been seeing some complaints about WD40 being a poor lubricant. My own experience is that It doesn't last a long time. I think I would look for a real lock lubricant at an auto parts store. Bob B From bens Sat Jan 12 19:16:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0D0GT300657 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:16:29 -0500 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:16:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200201130016.g0D0GSC00653@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Clayton Kirkwood" To: Subject: RE: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #636 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Aidan, I don't recall seeing your name on this list, but I scan pretty quickly some times. What role are you playing there? What kind of experience do the mechanics have with our machines? I happen to live up in Newcastle and am looking forward to not travelling down to Sac. Cool- Clayton > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org > [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org]On Behalf Of Aidan McLeer > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 10:24 AM > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #636 > > > [ 23 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Jan 12 19:22:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0D0Min00706 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:22:44 -0500 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:22:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200201130022.g0D0Mii00702@minbar.fourfold.org> From: FHY To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #636 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bob & Sue Bernard wrote: >... >I think I would look for a real lock lubricant at an auto parts store. > I think graphite is used to lubricate locks. Frank From bens Sat Jan 12 19:59:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0D0xfZ00929 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:59:41 -0500 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:59:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200201130059.g0D0xeN00925@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. you were curious.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org That doesn't sound to me. Did the bearing spin out of position? Were the rod bolts properly torqued? If any of this is true, I'd go back and blast them with double barrels (at least verbally). And if they said they just "cleaned up" and reinstalled it, they better have offered up a new set of bearings because you don't buy bearings for just one rod and they should have put a new one in. Keep us posted! Joe Mulqueen Jaguar XJ6 (with engine overbored by a friggin' machine shop. Now engine has cold temp piston slap) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:47:44 -0500 From: john hess Subject: you were curious.... Hiya, Re: Stubby's engine. ........Removed cap, engine turns free and easy, cleaned up bearing and reinstalled."......... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From bens Sat Jan 12 20:00:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0D10Kq00953 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:00:20 -0500 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:00:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200201130100.g0D10Jt00949@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #636 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 16 lines filtered. ] In a message dated 1/12/02 4:25:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, FHYap@earthlink.net writes: > I think I would look for a real lock lubricant at an auto parts store. > > > > I think graphite is used to lubricate locks. > > While Graphite is the material classically used to lubricate locks, I'd bet that most of us who have "lock" problems actually have problems with some other but related linkage. Getting into the linkage is the biggest pain, but then cleaning and reapplying an appropriate grease would actually be the best approach. If you need to lubricate the plethora of wafers inside the keyway go ahead and use graphite. If the cylinder initially begins to turn, even a little, and then binds, look elsewhere for the problem. Zack From bens Sat Jan 12 21:06:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0D26R801301 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:06:27 -0500 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:06:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200201130206.g0D26Rt01297@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Aidan McLeer" To: Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #636 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I don't post much, I have been on the list for about a year, I am a technician at the dealership, I have worked on Rovers for a few years in Redding, My specialty was VW/Audi's, There are 2 more technicians. 1 is from LR Marin (Matt), he has been through the LR apprentice program and has about 5 years LR experience. the other tech is from Saturn in Roseville (Jake), but is a very good tech, both Jake and I are going on Land Rover's fast track training programme. over the next few months. And being a Center we won't be working on any other vehicles. If you decide to let us work on your vehicle you won't be disappointed with the quality of work. If you like stop by for a chat. (and if we have time a spin on the test track) Later Aidan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clayton Kirkwood" To: Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 4:16 PM Subject: RE: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #636 From bens Sat Jan 12 21:12:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0D2CJx01343 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:12:19 -0500 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:12:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200201130212.g0D2CIr01339@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: re. you were curious.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks for the info, I haven't talked to the machine shop yet. I tend to think of the Rover engine as a tractor engine, not a racing engine, so in that regard, I have more tolerance for the way things go together. With my experience, I don't know right from wrong, with any of this stuff. I was stumped by why it ran, then didn't run, and "froze" The starter turns pretty hard, and it didn't move the flywheel, but I didn't wrench on the crank very hard to help it. I didn't take the pan off to check the rod situations. cheers, >That doesn't sound to me. Did the bearing spin out of >position? Were the rod bolts properly torqued? If >any of this is true, I'd go back and blast them with >double barrels (at least verbally). And if they said >they just "cleaned up" and reinstalled it, they better >have offered up a new set of bearings because you >don't buy bearings for just one rod and they should >have put a new one in. >Keep us posted! [ 19 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista From bens Sat Jan 12 21:59:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0D2xjG01641 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:59:45 -0500 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:59:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200201130259.g0D2xj401637@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #636 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 05:00 PM 1/12/2002, Zack wrote: >. If you need to lubricate the plethora of wafers inside the keyway >go ahead and use graphite Boy! If the lock is full of Plethoras it sounds like it'll need more than lube. Bob B From bens Sat Jan 12 22:09:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0D39lf01722 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:09:47 -0500 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:09:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200201130309.g0D39kh01718@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: re. you were curious.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John, I would also be worried about damage to the crankshaft. What the heck could they "clean" off the bearing that stopped the engine from rotating. If you hadn't driven it at all then not so big of a worry. But..... Bob B At 06:12 PM 1/12/2002, you wrote: >Thanks for the info, I haven't talked to the machine shop yet. > >I tend to think of the Rover engine as a tractor engine, not a racing >engine, so in that regard, I have more tolerance for the way things >go together. With my experience, I don't know right from wrong, with >any of this stuff. I was stumped by why it ran, then didn't run, and >"froze" The starter turns pretty hard, and it didn't move the >flywheel, but I didn't wrench on the crank very hard to help it. I >didn't take the pan off to check the rod situations. [ 25 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Jan 12 23:51:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0D4pjV02235 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 23:51:45 -0500 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 23:51:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200201130451.g0D4pjS02231@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: re. you were curious.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 14 lines filtered. ] In a message dated 1/12/02 6:13:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us writes: > I tend to think of the Rover engine as a tractor engine, not a racing > Not too much difference in the gross spectrum of available rotating thingies. I am one of those who appreciates that you've approached this properly. If one takes ones engine somewhere and has a resulting problem, it is best to have independent professional appraisal of the problems. Now your biggest problem is to determine how one can gain some recompense, or satisfaction without losing either your temper, and with it self respect, or losing a valued resource in the machine shop field. I can guess that you did not choose the rebuilder without regard for quality over price. i.e. you didn't let your wallet talk you into making a poor decision. I'm guessing you'll go back there again for other work. Dilemma. Zack From bens Sun Jan 13 02:44:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0D7iZj04035 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 02:44:35 -0500 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 02:44:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200201130744.g0D7iY704031@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: Fuel pump Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TeriAnn wrote: Did you ever check the breather in your fuel cap and get a fuel pressure reading on your fuel pump? No, not yet. Got a fuel pump rebuild kit from BP, plus some spare bowl gaskets, But the truck is running great and my priority this week was fixing the rear xfer box oil seal & tranny brake. Will check the fuel system this week. I have to ration my wrench time in the interests of domestic bliss! :) Mo ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 From bens Sun Jan 13 10:46:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0DFkXC06284 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:46:33 -0500 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:46:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200201131546.g0DFkWg06280@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Fuel pump Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mo wrote... >I have to >ration my wrench >time in the interests of domestic bliss! :) > >Mo Well put. I battle this all the time, and am constantly looking for a better way to say 'I need to get home soon so that my wife won't lock me out, etc...'. ;) I'll use it if you don't mind! Later, Michael PS Any 'significant other' who puts up with all of our wrenching is indeed a saint! _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Sun Jan 13 18:18:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0DNI5E08332 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:18:05 -0500 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:18:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200201132318.g0DNI4f08328@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Eric Wilcox To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Help! Mold Invasion!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello All: Climbed into the 110 yesterday after not having driven it for the past few weeks. We live in a rather damp environment, and it probably doesn't help that the last time I drove my truck was during a couple of days worth of downpours, getting in/out while wet, water blowing through the door seals, etc. Anyway, the seat belts, and various hard surfaces have developed mold spots (of the fuzzy gray variety that becomes airborne when disturbed - yuk). Surprisingly, the carpets look to be ok, and my seat are covered with waterproof seat covers. Anyone have any tried and true methods for cleaning, drying out and prevention? Thanks in advance - Eric Wilcox Jerry - 1993 D110NAS KE6ISN From bens Sun Jan 13 21:38:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0E2cIR09208 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:38:18 -0500 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:38:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200201140238.g0E2cHT09204@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: OT: wine school Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi all, Katherine and I spent Saturday and Sunday at a University Extension Wine appreciation class. Katherine gave me the class for my birthday, but signed up herself also. The crowd was folks from all over! I thought people might come from Sacratomato, but 1 guy was from Seattle and one couple was from Phoenix. More from the bay area and surroundings also. Anyhow, 2 days, with a bit of background and a good amount (for a beginner) of tasting. The most interesting thing was spiked samples to taste, with known additives, plus spiked samples to rank for say sugar. I would recommend the class if you feel like gaining more info about flavors in wine. A more advanced class is also offered, as well as (Eric!) small winery management. check this url: http://universityextension.ucdavis.edu/courses/courselisting.asp?unit= WINE&prgList=WAP&coursearea=Wine%20Appreciation cheers, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista From bens Sun Jan 13 22:39:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0E3d6m09552 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:39:06 -0500 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:39:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200201140339.g0E3d6E09548@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Help! Mold Invasion!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > Hello All: > > Climbed into the 110 yesterday after not having driven it for the past few weeks. We live in a rather damp environment, and it probably doesn't help that the last time I drove my truck was during a > couple of days worth of downpours, getting in/out while wet, water blowing through the door seals, etc. > > Anyway, the seat belts, and various hard surfaces have developed mold spots (of the fuzzy gray variety that becomes airborne when disturbed - yuk). Surprisingly, the carpets look to be ok, and my s > at are covered with waterproof seat covers. Anyone have any tried and true methods for cleaning, drying out and prevention? > X14 followed up by a high powered shop vac, after the little buggers are dried up? TomW > Thanks in advance - > > Eric Wilcox > Jerry - 1993 D110NAS > KE6ISN > > *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Sun Jan 13 23:21:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0E4Lr709776 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:21:53 -0500 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:21:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200201140421.g0E4LqN09772@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: LR sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org When driving down at El Camino Real in San Mateo this Saturday with my girlfriend Orlando, We sighted a 93' D110 driving by. Also, back in Christmas, We sighted a 93' D110 parked at the parking lot near University Ave in Berkeley on 12/22.... Whose are those? charles phu _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Mon Jan 14 00:31:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0E5VIq11093 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:31:18 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:31:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200201140531.g0E5VHD11089@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Re: re. you were curious.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John, I'm sorry for sounding a bit hot, but I believe this type workmanship (assuming that workmanship is the true root cause of your engine seizure) shouldn't be tolerated or accepted. At minimum, the shop owes you (and us since you pondered us your dilemma!) a correct explanation of what happened. It doesn't matter if the motor is for a tractor or race car, someone didn't do the job that you paid for. I've heard and experienced these type "oversights" one too many times. At least this one only seized an engine and it wasn't a case of a wheel falling off (like what happened to my sister and her new car after a dealer service). Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 2.25L (with a scored crank because the rebuilder didn't wash out the oil galleries prior to rebuild) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From bens Mon Jan 14 02:16:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0E7GZP11670 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 02:16:35 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 02:16:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200201140716.g0E7GZt11666@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Alan & Catherine Logue" To: "Mendo List" Subject: re-engining a Disco Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I would like to seek some collective wisdom from list members. My 91 Disco has just gone to the doctor to analyse the cause of a slight overheating problem and "the case of the missing coolant!" Its currently got a 3.5 EFI motor, and we originally suspected a possible headgasket leak, and while that was going to be fixed, it was going to have a new cam fitted. (178,000km on the clock) Another possible cause came up today with there being the chance of a loose liner. The mechanic (Triumph Rover Spares) are doing a pressure test on the coolant system and engine to try to isolate the problem. My question is this. If it becomes an expensive exercise, it worth taking out the 3.5 and dropping in a 3.9? Other than the problems I have at present, there is nothing else (that I know of) wrong with the motor, and having just driven it fro the last 4 days over about 800km, its going beautifully. Is the 3.9 a much better engine? I know its a straight swap, and I can source a low km 3.9 for a very good price, plus triumph rover have another one at a good price, and in very good condition, with lower km's than mine. But would the swap be worthwhile. Have not yet got into the $'s of the whole thing, but will go about it tomorrow. I'd appreciate any feedback anyone can help me with Hutt St Photos/Hub Photos Training for Learning Co/Minilab Training Centre Ph 08-82324411 From bens Mon Jan 14 02:37:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0E7bPC11765 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 02:37:25 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 02:37:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200201140737.g0E7bP211761@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: re-engining a Disco Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Alan, I have been down this road. In my 1990 Range Rover I opted to put in a 4.2 liter when my 3.9 gave up the ghost. IMO, the 4.2 is going to be the best swap for your 3.5. If you're going to do a swap, why not go the next step up and get the 4.2. The reason I don't suggest the 4.0 or the 4.6 is the whole ignition thing. You want this conversion to be simple right? Your inclination to stick with the 3.9 is a good one. I would just suggest that if you can find a 4.2 in good shape, you might consider it as well. 'Course you could always go crazy and put in a Chevy 350 (but I didn't suggest it!). Later, and good luck! Michael _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Mon Jan 14 05:07:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0EA7BE12501 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 05:07:11 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 05:07:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200201141007.g0EA7Ag12497@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Alan & Catherine Logue" To: Subject: Re: re-engining a Disco Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Michael The problem I have is to find a 4.2 at the price that I can get a 3.9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! US$450 with 45000 kms!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Alan > > 'Course you could always go crazy and put in a Chevy 350 (but I didn't > suggest it!). > > Later, and good luck! > > Michael > > _________________________________________________________________ [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Jan 14 09:29:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0EETU013790 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:29:30 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:29:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200201141429.g0EETTT13786@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Freeman, Ben" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Wolf rims- Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well for all those of you who neglected to decied to join in on the group order of wolf rims from the UK back in mid-late Nov. I will be picking up two pallets fromthe dock on the 25th. An delivering them out to all the different persons who have "allready paid" for there's. However, two sets are unsold an theose two sets must be sold and paid for before I can pick them up. As they came freight collect. So if your interested please e-mail me. That's 2 weeks out so hurry. I have called a few friends I know out there asking them to ask around or even buy them for re-sale themselves. Please contact: bfreeman@reachone.com or ben.freeman@weyerhaeuser.com or call (360)580-1585 or (360)538-1033 6am-2pm PST. Happy Rovering From bens Mon Jan 14 10:37:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0EFbSW14206 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:37:28 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:37:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200201141537.g0EFbRU14202@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Wolf rims- Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Ben, Please describe the Wolf rims style and size? Is there a picture somewhere? Would they fit series trucks? Offset? And how much were they? Bob B At 06:29 AM 1/14/2002, you wrote: >Well for all those of you who neglected to decied to join in on the group >order of wolf rims from the UK back in mid-late Nov. I will be picking up >two pallets fromthe dock on the 25th. An delivering them out to all the >different persons who have "allready paid" for there's. However, two sets >are unsold an theose two sets must be sold and paid for before I can pick >them up. As they came freight collect. So if your interested please e-mail >me. That's 2 weeks out so hurry. I have called a few friends I know out >there asking them to ask around or even buy them for re-sale themselves. >Please contact: bfreeman@reachone.com or ben.freeman@weyerhaeuser.com or [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Jan 14 12:23:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0EHNDl14750 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:23:13 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:23:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200201141723.g0EHNCF14746@minbar.fourfold.org> From: carl kruger To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Raised air intake on Ser. 3- followup pics Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just in case anyone was interested, I managed to fit the air intake to my smog equipped Series 3. As Rob pointed out, it is a tight fit. I had to turn the charcoal canister bracket upside down and attach it to the left side of the mounting post instead of the right (two more holes drilled). Also, I marked the bonnet for it's hole by measuring the actual air cleaner intake location, not the dimensions from the instructions. One problem remains- despite the "spacer" for the air cleaner (a plywood disc!), the air cleaner remains about an inch short, so the camp does not hold it down. Pictures here: picture of charcoal canister relocated to left side of bracket: http://members.aol.com/oldlambretta/images/LFcharcoalrelocated.jpg another picture of charcoal canister relocated to left side of bracket: http://members.aol.com/oldlambretta/images/LFcharcoalrelocated2.jpg the installation showing the tight fit: http://members.aol.com/oldlambretta/images/LRintakeclosefit.jpg regards, Carl Kruger San Jose, CA From bens Mon Jan 14 15:17:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0EKHEg15628 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:17:14 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:17:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200201142017.g0EKHDp15624@minbar.fourfold.org> From: StevHutch@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: MaxiMog... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 7 lines filtered. ] Maybe some of you have seen this already..but all I can say is ..WOW http://www.maximog.com/ Its so top heavy lloking, it makes a Rover look low profile huh. From bens Mon Jan 14 15:24:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0EKOeQ15668 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:24:40 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:24:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200201142024.g0EKOeB15664@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: MaxiMog... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org OOOh....Chrome plated jerry cans..... :^) -Dave G. From bens Mon Jan 14 15:27:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0EKRkj15704 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:27:46 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:27:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200201142027.g0EKRjE15700@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Rich Williams" To: Subject: Re: MaxiMog... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I especially like the UAV Now, that's a factory option you could talk me into! Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 12:17 PM Subject: MaxiMog... [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 7 lines filtered. ] Maybe some of you have seen this already..but all I can say is ..WOW http://www.maximog.com/ Its so top heavy lloking, it makes a Rover look low profile huh. From bens Mon Jan 14 18:03:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0EN3nh16594 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:03:49 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:03:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200201142303.g0EN3mb16590@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Ranover@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: mold Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 3 lines filtered. ] Mix up some Amonia and warm water. dampen a wash cloth and go over the areas it will remove the mold and odors. Mix it as strong as you can take it about 20 to 1 should be fine. To keep the dampness out. Go to Wal Mart, Kmart etc. Look in the section where they keep mothballs and hangers. There is stuff called damp rid. It comes in little plastic containers and they sell larger refill containers. You will be surprised on how much water this stuff will pull out of the air in an inclosed area. I use it in all of my customers show cars year round. It is odorless. Its the same stuff just in large quanity that you get in those little packets in stereo equipment. It removes odors as well. I have detailed cars for over 20 years. if you have a stain or apperance problem feel free to ask. Scott, 91 RR Hunter From bens Mon Jan 14 18:33:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0ENXsX16758 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:33:54 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:33:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200201142333.g0ENXrS16754@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: New Range Rover Technology (was Detroit Motor Show) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Granville Pool wrote: > > http://detnews.com/2002/autoshow/0201/07/autos-384545.htm > > The article there mentioned a couple of interesting features, such as > "interconnected air springs" (shades of Kinetic Suspension?) Yes, from other sources about the new RR, I gather it switches in large-diameter cross-coupling air lines between the left and right springs (both front and rear) when off road, giving at least a crude imitation of the kinetic suspension idea. The effective spring rate approaches zero (except for bushing and swaybar stiffness) in the cross-axle situation, tremendously improving traction and ride. The cross-coupling also makes the independent suspension's motion more like that of a beam axle off road so ground clearance is not as readily compromised as a conventional IFS setup. Other good news includes a 30 degree breakover angle, 1 degree better than previous Range Rovers and 2 degrees better than a Defender 110, in spite of the 113-inch wheelbase. Wheel travel is pretty good (around 11 inches front and rear I think). Ground clearance under the diffs is 11 inches, which is not bad although not stupendous for an IFS. At least it is heartening that major attention has been paid to off-road performance, and there is reason to think it might even be better than past models rather than worse. On road, the 4.4 liter BMW V8 gives a modest increase in output over the present Rover 4.6, but has to contend with a significant increase in vehicle size and weight. Thus, IMHO the new RR is still a day late and a dollar short relative to the competition in acceleration, with claimed 0-100 kph times (0-62 mph) around 9 seconds. However the independent suspension should definitely provide more refined pavement handling. Cheers John From bens Mon Jan 14 22:25:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0F3PXt17908 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:25:33 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:25:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200201150325.g0F3PWD17904@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_Recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Another RR Tire option Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I saw these on a truck at the RV Show. Kelly -Springfield SAFARI MSR They look to have a good lug pattern. Mildly aggressive. -Rob From bens Mon Jan 14 22:42:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0F3gXZ18017 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:42:33 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:42:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200201150342.g0F3gWb18013@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Another RR Tire option Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sounds like someone else is infected with "camperitus" an altogether to frequent side effect of "Roveritus" it ussually manifests itself with multiple Rovers, so if you fit that bill, look out :) TomW, who just "went" to an RV show once. > > I saw these on a truck at the RV Show. > > Kelly -Springfield SAFARI MSR > > They look to have a good lug pattern. Mildly aggressive. > > -Rob > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Mon Jan 14 23:57:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0F4vsW18469 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:57:54 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:57:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200201150457.g0F4vrV18465@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: New Land Rover Info Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org There is a ton of information on new Land Rover models in this month's Diff Lock on line magazine. http://www.difflock.com/diffmag/issue13/LR2002/index.shtml Kevin From bens Tue Jan 15 00:18:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0F5IgK19502 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:18:42 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:18:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200201150518.g0F5IfG19498@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: New Range Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John B. wrote: >On road, the 4.4 liter BMW V8 gives a modest increase >in output over the present Rover 4.6, but has to contend >with a significant increase in vehicle size and weight. The 400hp BMW V12 or 460hp Aston Martin V12 (with double the power of the 4.6L Rover V8) that will be installed in the new top of the line Range Rover should have no problem with the extra weight .... http://www.difflock.com/diffmag/issue13/LR2002/rr3v12.shtml Kevin From bens Tue Jan 15 01:14:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0F6EDE19898 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 01:14:13 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 01:14:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200201150614.g0F6EC419894@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: New Range Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I think there are two kinds of people who will use the new RR offroad. The affluent buyer who has no worries about costly repair work, and the used car buyer/hobbyist who will aquire it in years to come, modify it and make it more practical for such use. Otherwise it's a glorified Suburban with less towing capacity and interior room. I have to laugh at Land Rover North America's burning desire to capture more of the SUV market here, though. They could do that easliy if they just federalized the Defender and brought it back to our shores. It's pretty frustrating when you consider that South African customers can buy a 110 hi capacity pickup with Td5 power for about 18k US. The Defender is the real deal and the aftermarket/grey market demand is clearly there. On the other hand, Land Rover has never understood the US market, Ford certainly doesn't want to compromise its own models, and who the hell am I to think I know more about this stuff than the suits in Dearborn or Solihull? I'm just a guy that I wouldn't buy any of their products except the Defender, and I'm not alone. Mo ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 From bens Tue Jan 15 09:15:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0FEFPQ22091 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:15:25 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:15:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200201151415.g0FEFOu22087@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Another RR Tire option Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 26 lines filtered. ] Were getting a poptop trailer for Crystal, so that we can take family camping vacations.:) Now I just need to convince Cynthia that Crystal needs a 109 pickup. -Rob From bens Tue Jan 15 13:01:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0FI1be23245 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:01:37 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:01:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200201151801.g0FI1av23241@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: MaxiMog... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, Looks like he's a Mac fan, there's a G3 powerBook on the desk. http://www.maximog.com/rack_big.html Keith From bens Tue Jan 15 14:21:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0FJLZ123647 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:21:35 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:21:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200201151921.g0FJLZ723643@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: El Paso Mountains Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Not sure if people have seen this, but it's a great 4x4 guide for the Western Mojave area (which is about 350 miles from SF). I'm especially interested in the potentially challenging El Paso Mtns (which is between Inyokern/Ridgecrest and Mojave to the south). Anyone been there? Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/travels/Guide/Mojaveindex.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From bens Tue Jan 15 16:49:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0FLnwE24417 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:49:58 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:49:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200201152149.g0FLnvm24413@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: El Paso Mountains Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yes I have been there -- Burro Schmidt's tunnel is really neat for one thing. Re the advertized plethora of neat trails in the area, be advised that thanks to the BLM caving in to the Friends lawsuit at the end of the previous administration about 70% of them (all over the western Mojave) are now in the process of being closed. What's left will mainly be Freelander country. Cheers John joe mulqueen wrote: > Not sure if people have seen this, but it's a great > 4x4 guide for the Western Mojave area (which is about > 350 miles from SF). > I'm especially interested in the potentially > challenging El Paso Mtns (which is between > Inyokern/Ridgecrest and Mojave to the south). Anyone > been there? > Joe Mulqueen > '67 SIIA 109 SW [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jan 15 18:33:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0FNXIS24935 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:33:18 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:33:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200201152333.g0FNXH224931@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New Range Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org mpatrykus wrote: > I think there are two kinds of people who will use the new RR > offroad. The affluent buyer who has no worries about costly > repair work, and the used car buyer/hobbyist who will aquire it > in years to come, modify it and make it more practical for such > use. I guess it's like buying a Porsche or Ferrari -- people buy it because they know it's the fastest thing on the road even though they may never use its full capabilities. > Otherwise it's a glorified Suburban with less towing capacity > and interior room. Although I doubt if Suburban designers give more than passing attention to off-road abilities. > I have to laugh at Land Rover North America's burning desire to > capture more of the SUV market here, though. They could do that > easliy if they just federalized the Defender and brought it back to > our shores. It's pretty frustrating when you consider that South African > customers can buy a 110 hi capacity pickup with Td5 power for about > 18k US. The Defender is the real deal and the aftermarket/grey market > demand is clearly there. Good point! Same applies to most other countries in the world. > On the other hand, Land Rover has never understood the US market, > Ford certainly doesn't want to compromise its own models, and who the > hell am I to think I know more about this stuff than the suits in Dearborn > or Solihull? I'm just a guy that I wouldn't buy any of their products except > > the Defender, and I'm not alone. I thought the new management had a plan to bring the Defender to the US?? Cheers John From bens Tue Jan 15 20:03:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0G13Bq25498 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:03:11 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:03:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200201160103.g0G13Ax25494@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "G. Mugele" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: El Paso Mountains Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 2:21 PM -0500 1/15/02, joe mulqueen wrote: >I'm especially interested in the potentially >challenging El Paso Mtns (which is between >Inyokern/Ridgecrest and Mojave to the south). Anyone >been there? It's been a long time but yes. I spent most of April and part of May in that area in 1973. I don't recall anything especially difficult wandering around the back country. I covered most of it in my first IIa 88 while doing bird surveys. The most exciting (and stupid) thing I did was, for lack of a trail, drive up a dry wash. It was very rocky which was a nice challenge. Then the rain came very quickly and made it a near disaster... it was much more challenging in reverse going as fast as I could. I recall a fair number of 2WD trails mostly to what appeared to be attempts to mine for something. Other than that there wasn't much there. Most of the time I was there I didn't see anyone else at all. A word about desert washes in general: starting at the bottom they are relatively wide with shallow walls and it's usually not hard to find flat bits to drive on. They're rather seductive. But as you move up it gets progressively narrower and the walls get higher and steeper and the boulders in the middle get harder to get around. It's a good idea not to go beyond the point where you can turn around without too much hassle. Cheers, Gerry Mugele -- ("Peat" '95 D90 SW) *** Beware of Geeks baring .GIFS From bens Thu Jan 17 09:07:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0HE7Yb06192 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:07:34 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:07:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200201171407.g0HE7Xu06188@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Tony McCauley To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #639 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I need my Mendo fix. Is the list down? Has my truck unsubscribed me because it wants attention? From bens Thu Jan 17 10:28:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0HFSb606624 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:28:37 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:28:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200201171528.g0HFSak06620@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Freeman, Ben" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: New RR info/Defender- Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yes and no John- Land Rover is going to bring in a Defender line "However" it will be the New Defender body work. Refered to as the Defender II. It'll supposedly look something like a cross between the Old Defender body and the Freelander. So basically it'll suck. But it's only on the drawing board. But word from inside LRUK is they are "never" going to bring the Defender as we know it back into the US. So if your wanting the SA spec. Defender let me know I can get you one..:-) Happy Rovering.. From bens Thu Jan 17 10:42:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0HFgXl06730 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:42:33 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:42:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200201171542.g0HFgWJ06726@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #639 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org back home? or on the road? the list seems fine, your message got through. >I need my Mendo fix. Is the list down? >Has my truck unsubscribed me because it wants attention? John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista From bens Thu Jan 17 11:46:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0HGkVu07079 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:46:31 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:46:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200201171646.g0HGkUN07075@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Nick Baggarly" To: Subject: Re: New RR info/Defender- Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I'm just a guy that I wouldn't buy any of their products except > the Defender, and I'm not alone. No you're not. I fear we don't add up to much of a market however. I heard the new US spec Defender is going to be unibody like the new RR. Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Freeman, Ben" To: Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 7:28 AM Subject: RE: New RR info/Defender- > > > Yes and no John- > Land Rover is going to bring in a Defender line "However" it will be > the New Defender body work. Refered to as the Defender II. It'll supposedly > look something like a cross between the Old Defender body and the > Freelander. So basically it'll suck. But it's only on the drawing board. But > word from inside LRUK is they are "never" going to bring the Defender as we > know it back into the US. So if your wanting the SA spec. Defender let me > know I can get you one..:-) > > Happy Rovering.. > > From bens Thu Jan 17 12:02:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0HH2Qg07196 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:02:26 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:02:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200201171702.g0HH2P107192@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Hi Tony Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 29 lines filtered. ] ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19F78.B521747F charset="iso-8859-1" Tony, Last time I saw you was on some digital pics you sent around during your travels last year-- were they fun? See you at Mendo? Cheers, Blair ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19F78.B521747F From bens Thu Jan 17 12:15:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0HHF7n07291 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:15:07 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:15:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200201171715.g0HHF6S07287@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: New RR info/Defender- Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I heard the new US spec Defender is going to be unibody like the new RR. > > Nick > What a mistake that would be... From bens Thu Jan 17 12:27:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0HHR8C07364 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:27:08 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:27:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200201171727.g0HHR7g07360@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: New RR info/Defender- Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 15 lines filtered. ] My guess is Defender II would be a US type thing, while they would still make a utility defender that would go to the rest of the world. If not, I wonder if someone would consider buying the d90, and start making their own. Santana for the 21st century. -Rob From bens Thu Jan 17 12:48:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0HHmIh07476 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:48:18 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:48:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200201171748.g0HHmHP07472@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New RR info/Defender- Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Why? IF you do it right, a unibody will have a higher strength to weight ratio. The keyword being "if". Jeff Rogers wrote: From bens Thu Jan 17 13:11:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0HIB2d07611 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:11:02 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:11:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200201171811.g0HIB1O07607@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: New RR info/Defender- Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...IF you do it right, a unibody will have a higher strength to weight ratio....." If they can't make money on the current Defender for the US market, they certainly couldn't make money selling a unibody structure designed to take the rigors of extreme off road use. I don't think such a beast has been designed yet. Even the rally cars that have very short lives have extensive added structural bracing reinforcing the unibody structure. So they will design it "right" for the target market of people that are buying Chevy Avalanche now....Rugged-look poseurs who's off road needs include mostly driving through mud puddles at speed when they need to take the shoulder to pass a left-turning Audi. -Dave G. From bens Thu Jan 17 13:13:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0HIDPS07626 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:13:25 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:13:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200201171813.g0HIDOt07622@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hope Peter" To: Subject: Re: New RR info/Defender- Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Why? IF you do it right, a unibody will have a higher strength to > weight ratio. The keyword being "if". it's not as easily cutomizable. From bens Thu Jan 17 13:49:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0HInOW07840 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:49:24 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:49:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200201171849.g0HInNZ07836@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: New RR info/Defender- Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Amen. on 1/17/02 10:11 AM, Gomes, David at david.gomes@gambrobct.com wrote: > > "...IF you do it right, a unibody will have a higher strength to weight > ratio....." > > If they can't make money on the current Defender for the US market, they > certainly couldn't make money selling a unibody structure designed to take > the rigors of extreme off road use. I don't think such a beast has been > designed yet. Even the rally cars that have very short lives have extensive > added structural bracing reinforcing the unibody structure. [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jan 18 10:33:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0IFX6H14697 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:33:06 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:33:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200201181533.g0IFX6E14693@minbar.fourfold.org> From: prsncat@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Interesting LR for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I saw this in the local section of the Recycler. I do not know the owner and I've never seen the LR -- just thought it was interesting. The owner also sent a picture. The LR is located in Temecula. -Brian Here is what he sent me: I have been a Land Rover Collector/Enthusiast for over 30 years. This Rover is my daily driver (have sold my other ones). She is a 1971 Series IIA-III, meaning that it is in the last (60 car) production of Series IIA's, and as such, much sought after by LR affectionatoes (sic). She has a few of the Series III tweaks, such as a "real" heater that keeps ya warm and "hidden" wiper motor, etc. while still retaining the metal grill and dash (SIII went plastic). The engine is a 2.25Litre [Turner] LR Diesel which I bought myself for xmas a couple years ago and had shipped from England. The engine is perfect. With the Warn locking hubs and Fairey Overdrive, she gets about 30mpg/hwy and does 70MPH (which, to be honest, is a little squirrelly due to the 88" wheelbase). This vehicle WILL go ANYWHERE, including thru up to 4' of water. The Body is polished Burmaloy (a magnesium and aluminum alloy) and the frame, bulkheads, etc. are absolutely rust free (Most LR's that were imported from England or used on the east coast here have frame rust and require a new frame for a decent restoration). She has Salisberry (sp?) rear diff and Military Suspension (heavier duty). Interior is complete with rear jump seats, etc. Deluxe bonnet (hood, for you yanks) with spare tire mount. 2 Jerry can brackets on rear door. She has a tailgate for going topless in the summer. She has a new exhaust, brakes, clutch, trans, tires, ... ... ... There are tons of extra stuff that I've collected/bought over the years that goes with her, as well as the "big green books" (factory manuals) including parts books. Her current value is stated to be between $25-30K. I just want to go sailing for the rest of my life. From bens Fri Jan 18 10:43:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0IFhes14764 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:43:40 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:43:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200201181543.g0IFhdw14760@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Leslie Dow To: mendo Subject: test Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi all... Honey tells me that he cannot email to Mendo....so this is a test to see if I can... thanks leslie -- -- Leslie Johnston-Dow, Ph.D. Sequencing Software Group Lead, Applied Biosystems johnstln@appliedbiosystems.com 650-638-5104 KG6HSG From bens Fri Jan 18 10:48:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0IFmlA14808 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:48:47 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:48:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200201181548.g0IFmkP14804@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: test Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 19 lines filtered. ] Your's works. Which Honey. -Rob From bens Fri Jan 18 10:55:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0IFtTf14873 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:55:29 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:55:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200201181555.g0IFtS514866@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: test Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200201181543.g0IFhdw14760@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > Honey tells me that he cannot email to Mendo....so this is a test to see > if I can... Yes. The filter script that strips out attachments is choking on something in his emails. I'll need to look at it. Ben From bens Fri Jan 18 11:07:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0IG72V14965 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:07:02 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:07:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200201181607.g0IG71i14961@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: test Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org HI, Well It must be him, Tell him your mail got as far as Paradise. Bob B At 07:43 AM 1/18/2002, you wrote: >Hi all... >Honey tells me that he cannot email to Mendo....so this is a test to see >if I can... >thanks >leslie >-- > >-- >Leslie Johnston-Dow, Ph.D. [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jan 18 11:22:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0IGMX915057 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:22:33 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:22:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200201181622.g0IGMXL15053@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Rich Williams" To: Subject: Re: Interesting LR for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I believe I saw this one at LRX.COM with a nice photo. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 7:33 AM Subject: Interesting LR for sale I saw this in the local section of the Recycler. I do not know the owner and I've never seen the LR -- just thought it was interesting. The owner also sent a picture. The LR is located in Temecula. -Brian Here is what he sent me: I have been a Land Rover Collector/Enthusiast for over 30 years. This Rover is my daily driver (have sold my other ones). She is a 1971 Series IIA-III, meaning that it is in the last (60 car) production of Series IIA's, and as such, much sought after by LR affectionatoes (sic). She has a few of the Series III tweaks, such as a "real" heater that keeps ya warm and "hidden" wiper motor, etc. while still retaining the metal grill and dash (SIII went plastic). The engine is a 2.25Litre [Turner] LR Diesel which I bought myself for xmas a couple years ago and had shipped from England. The engine is perfect. With the Warn locking hubs and Fairey Overdrive, she gets about 30mpg/hwy and does 70MPH (which, to be honest, is a little squirrelly due to the 88" wheelbase). This vehicle WILL go ANYWHERE, including thru up to 4' of water. The Body is polished Burmaloy (a magnesium and aluminum alloy) and the frame, bulkheads, etc. are absolutely rust free (Most LR's that were imported from England or used on the east coast here have frame rust and require a new frame for a decent restoration). She has Salisberry (sp?) rear diff and Military Suspension (heavier duty). Interior is complete with rear jump seats, etc. Deluxe bonnet (hood, for you yanks) with spare tire mount. 2 Jerry can brackets on rear door. She has a tailgate for going topless in the summer. She has a new exhaust, brakes, clutch, trans, tires, ... ... ... There are tons of extra stuff that I've collected/bought over the years that goes with her, as well as the "big green books" (factory manuals) including parts books. Her current value is stated to be between $25-30K. I just want to go sailing for the rest of my life. From bens Fri Jan 18 11:26:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0IGQTn15105 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:26:29 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:26:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200201181626.g0IGQSj15101@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher Dow" To: Subject: Testing...no reply needed.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org $#@! Oulook! C From bens Fri Jan 18 14:25:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0IJPbN15981 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:25:37 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:25:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200201181925.g0IJPbH15977@minbar.fourfold.org> From: prsncat@aol.com To: Subject: UPDATE: interesting rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org BTW, the owner indicated the price is now $13K and the rover is on LRX.COM. Look for: 88'' Diesel Daily Driver - 30 yr collector going to sea Howard Holton lrover@pe.net Brian From bens Fri Jan 18 15:40:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0IKerk16401 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:40:53 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:40:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200201182040.g0IKere16397@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher Dow" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: ping Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 127 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" I=92ve had some trouble sending mail to mendo lately. I need one reply = to the list for this message. =20 =20 C From bens Fri Jan 18 16:14:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0ILEJN16570 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:14:19 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:14:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200201182114.g0ILEI916566@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: ping pong Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens Fri Jan 18 16:28:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0ILSe316645 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:28:40 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:28:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200201182128.g0ILSeO16641@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Re. Interesting LR for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I for one, are annoyed at these people who "regretfully" need to sell their beloved series truck for twice the market value. Then the guy brags how fast a 2.25L diesel is and how special a polished body is...... Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From bens Fri Jan 18 17:06:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0IM6Es16854 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:06:14 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:06:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200201182206.g0IM6DD16850@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Matt Wilson To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Re. Interesting LR for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Joe, I am so glad you said that, I could agree more and was sitting at my desk silently fuming :) I have seen the truck its nice 7-8 OK, maybe....... but...... 13K whatever....... 20-30K is it full of crack!!? Boy I feel better now...... I hope every one has a great weekend Matt W -----Original Message----- From: joe mulqueen [mailto:joemulqueen@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 1:29 PM To: mendo Subject: Re. Interesting LR for sale I for one, are annoyed at these people who "regretfully" need to sell their beloved series truck for twice the market value. Then the guy brags how fast a 2.25L diesel is and how special a polished body is...... Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From bens Fri Jan 18 17:06:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0IM6Ap16847 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:06:10 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:06:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200201182206.g0IM6Al16843@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Re. Interesting LR for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org His sounds like a better bargain than mine: For Sale 1973 SIII Original faded pastel green paint Speedo broken Gas tank leaks if you fill it up all the way Engine needs rebuild Transmission or transfer case leak copious amounts of oil despite the new seals Needs new seats Dash is apart Needs new spring bushings First US$25,000 takes it. joe mulqueen wrote: From bens Fri Jan 18 18:44:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0INirS17321 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:44:53 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:44:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200201182344.g0INiqd17317@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Series tinted glass Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello, I have 2 sliding pieces for front doortops . A couple years ago I had tinted glass made for my truck and the shop accidentally made two extra pieces. They're tempered and wrapped as delivered from the tempering place. The color is light gray smoke and is what I have on my truck (pics avail). The price to make these pieces would cost $20+. (I paid $550 for 15 pieces on a 109SW). Anyone want them? Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Cotati, CA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From bens Fri Jan 18 19:00:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0J00Ge17405 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:00:16 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:00:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200201190000.g0J00Fb17401@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Testing...no reply needed.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > $#@! Oulook! > > C Your sending E-mail now, but it looks like you spell checker is broken :) TomW *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Fri Jan 18 19:04:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0J04uJ17431 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:04:56 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:04:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200201190004.g0J04tE17427@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: ping Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org reply > > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; ] > [ 127 lines filtered. ] > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > I=92ve had some trouble sending mail to mendo lately. I need one reply = [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Fri Jan 18 22:02:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0J32iR18228 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 22:02:44 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 22:02:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200201190302.g0J32iL18224@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher Dow" To: Subject: RE: Testing...no reply needed.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yep. At least the grammar checker still works :-). C ----- Your sending E-mail now, but it looks like you spell checker is broken :) TomW *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Sat Jan 19 00:40:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0J5eaf19853 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 00:40:36 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 00:40:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200201190540.g0J5eZa19849@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi" To: Subject: D90 for the price SIIa ! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org http://www.bvlandrovers.com/browse.php?page=os&car=278 From bens Sat Jan 19 20:43:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0K1hZO01034 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:43:35 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:43:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200201200143.g0K1hYZ01030@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "G. Mugele" To: lro@koan.team.net, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cc: James Howat Subject: Series Parts for sale.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi all, Jim (Scotty) Howat, long time Land Rover guru in the San Francisco Bay Area, is liquidating his pats and spares stock. He asked me to let you know that he has a fair accumulation of bits that all Series owners will be seeking at some point. He even has a spare rebuilt engine. Need something? Contact Scotty at: scunner@earthlink.net for specifics. Cheers, Gerry Mugele -- ("Peat" '95 D90 SW) *** Beware of Geeks baring .GIFS From bens Sat Jan 19 21:19:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0K2Jw301132 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:19:58 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:19:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200201200219.g0K2Jww01128@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Re. D90 for the price SIIa ! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Nice pictures --- Are they digi or scanned? Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 00:40:35 -0500 From: "Mehdi" Subject: D90 for the price SIIa ! http://www.bvlandrovers.com/browse.php?page=os&car=278 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From bens Sat Jan 19 22:44:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0K3iE401308 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 22:44:14 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 22:44:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200201200344.g0K3iD001304@minbar.fourfold.org> From: prsncat@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: You guys are too funny... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I agree about the interesting LR. I thought you would get a laugh at the $25K, a smile at $13K and a potential buyer at $8-10K. There is a 109 pickup that has been advertised for a long time also at $11,995 in the Recycler also. Brian Foster From bens Sat Jan 19 23:59:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0K4xY601583 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 23:59:34 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 23:59:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200201200459.g0K4xYB01579@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: towing with series Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello, I want to tow a trailer (on the freeway) with a combined weight nearly 2000lb. My truck has a good frame and is stock except for power brakes. What's the feeling about putting a tow ball on the standard Series drop plate / tow jaw setup? The drop plate is beefy but what about the jaw? I know the jaw with its pin can be used for tugging but with the tow ball attached to only one "tab" won't the forces cause more of a bending action? The jaw tab is kind of a diving board…… Thanks, Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From bens Sun Jan 20 01:27:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0K6R6802958 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 01:27:06 -0500 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 01:27:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200201200627.g0K6R5k02954@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "T&S Bennett" To: Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #641 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Re: 'New' spew Deaf-lander: Omigod, Ben! Tell us here Downunder that what you say is NOT true! Could it be that this a diabolical plan by the boffins at FORD to mutilate the Series Landrover heritage down to the appalling level of the FORD 'EXPLODER'? But, hey Guys! There's good news still! We're smiling here Downunder because the Oz military has awarded new contracts to Land Rover OZ to supply MILSPECS 4x4s and 6x4s based on the 110 platform ( using the Rover developed Disco TD5 engine) to replace the PERENTIE and BUSHRANGER Landrovers that used the Isuzu diesel engine - units currently employed by our regular and special forces in Timor and Afghanistan and previously in Somalia and a few other places that required a decent fast response multi-terrain soldier-proof vehicle. Our Rovers have a base similarity to the Brit milspecs 110, the 'LIGHT GREEN' (presumable a reference to that old 'A walk in et cetera....' although riding always beat walking 'in country'.) Some of the useful developments for civvy use would include the inbuilt toolboxes accessible from outside the vehicle, strong high mount jerry can holder clear of the back door, and high placement pick and axe and shovel at the rear - instead of the bonnet (hood) mounts that are uncomfortable to lean on when fixing things for'd of the bulkhead. Other bits include useful strengthened bottom protection, excellent 'roo (bull) bar and winch, quick release swivel tow hitch; roll-away high mount nearside (left) canvas awning, fast dry CAM seat covers and, of course, the COMMS gear, weapon mounts, materiel, petrol stove, cam net, (well!) and blackout kit that are of little civilian use. Also good is the wading capability, although the alternator could be challenged if the driver has to don SCUBA gear. The Oz military have been using Land Rovers since the mid 50s when they modified them in tank landing watercourses. Rebuilt for desert, jungle, alpine and genuine no-track off road use, they have been employed in successive military campaigns and are much loved here. Ex military Rovers are well maintained and are usually disposed of after 10-20 years service Needless to say there are plenty of available spares. This isn't meant to detract from the excellent South African Rovers. We have one in our stable. Should the 'new' bastardised Ford Land Rover DEAF-LANDER remain on the drawing board? Maybe we can't afford to be too precious about our valued Rovers, if survival - in one form or another means adapting to the witless soulless bean-counters and marketing blokes dictum? I mean, look at automobile manufacturing history: and the great marques like Riley and others that disappeared because the engineers and manufacturers refused or were unable to accommodate the needs of or adapt to the. fickle fiends of the design departments, let alone the market place. Cheers...... T Ted and Solange Bennett ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Freeman, Ben" > Subject: RE: New RR info/Defender- > Yes and no John- > Land Rover is going to bring in a Defender line "However" it will be > the New Defender body work. Refered to as the Defender II. It'll supposedly > look something like a cross between the Old Defender body and the > Freelander. So basically it'll suck. From bens Sun Jan 20 01:50:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0K6oLj03039 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 01:50:21 -0500 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 01:50:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200201200650.g0K6oKe03035@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Ogilvie" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: towing with series Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Most of the hitches that I've accumulated have one or the other of the tongues cut off and a ball attached to the remaining one. None of the tongues are bent so looks like they did the job for the PO. Personally, have never used the tow hitch with a ball except to tow a rover with an A frame tow bar. Looking at the thickness of most hitches designed for balls I'd say you'd be safe. Of course, everything depends on tongue weight but usually that's not that much. Word of caution. Use super lock tight and tighten the s**t out of the ball nut. Had mine nearly come undone towing the 109 and was just dumb lucky that I picked that time to check on the hitch. Someone else on the list got passed, just before it rolled, by the truck they were towing when the ball detached. Seem to remember someone on the Mendo list had a similar disasterous accident from a detached tow ball. Aloha Peter O. >From: joe mulqueen >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo >Subject: towing with series >Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 23:59:34 -0500 > >Hello, >I want to tow a trailer (on the freeway) with a >combined weight nearly 2000lb. My truck has a good [ 17 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Sun Jan 20 03:22:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0K8MOl03224 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 03:22:24 -0500 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 03:22:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200201200822.g0K8MOK03220@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Young To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series Parts for sale... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Jim (Scotty) Howat, long time Land Rover guru in the San Francisco > Bay Area, is liquidating his pats and spares stock. He asked me to Ooooo, Gerry must have that new Bostonian plugin for the Mewgull Spell Checquer working now... -JY From bens Sun Jan 20 06:16:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0KBG3j03634 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 06:16:03 -0500 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 06:16:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200201201116.g0KBG2F03630@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "G. Mugele" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series Parts for sale... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 3:22 AM -0500 1/20/02, John Young wrote: > > Jim (Scotty) Howat, long time Land Rover guru in the San Francisco > > Bay Area, is liquidating his pats and spares stock. He asked me to > >Ooooo, Gerry must have that new Bostonian plugin for >the Mewgull Spell Checquer working now... Yup, got it wohkin' now but I fahgot to include the link to the New England vuhsion of the spell checquah. It would have caught that mispellin' of "pahts," doncha know. Thanks John, for keeping it honest! Gerry From bens Sun Jan 20 11:41:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0KGfc204175 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:41:38 -0500 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:41:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200201201641.g0KGfcE04171@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: towing with series Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I want to tow a trailer (on the freeway) with a >combined weight nearly 2000lb. Well when in doubt... According th Rover's published specs, maximum drawbar pull for a petrol powered 109 stationwagon is 3500 pounds. (Page 78 of the Land Rover instruction manual). If I could tow a steel horse trailer with two horses with my 109 (some hills in low range first) your lovely 109 stationwagon should be able to handle a mere 2K pounds with ease. Moving? TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Sun Jan 20 16:48:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0KLmt904813 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:48:55 -0500 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:48:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200201202148.g0KLmsL04809@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: OT: non auto machine work Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hiya all, I ride a bike for my daily commute. I would like to have a chain ring machined so as to remove the teeth and convert it to a chain guard. The ring is roughly 10 inches in diameter, made of some aluminum alloy and I think the best solution is to find some pace that can clamp it down and go around the edge in a circle until a certain diameter is reached. Anyone capable of doing this? Any comments? John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista From bens Sun Jan 20 23:05:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0L45Yx05508 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:05:34 -0500 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:05:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200201210405.g0L45YY05504@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi" To: Subject: FS D110 Rock sliders Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This not mine, but in possession. Steve, Tim Cooper's friend made 3 sets of these. Two are sold, one remains. Since there are so may 110 here, Tim brought it down last time, so the buyer can save shipping costs. They bolt on and replace the sill beneath the door. They are powder coated black and look very nice. I don't get a commission :) Just helping out another rover guy. If you are interested let me know. OH yes they are $500. Mehdi From bens Sun Jan 20 23:26:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0L4Qtn05576 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:26:55 -0500 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:26:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200201210426.g0L4Qsf05572@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: FS D110 Rock sliders Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Petra and I are interested in the sliders... I'll contact you offline re: making the purchase. Petra's welding project hasn't gotten off the ground yet so it might be nice to simply get some pre-made! Thanks, Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Mon Jan 21 00:33:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0L5XW806940 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 00:33:32 -0500 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 00:33:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200201210533.g0L5XV406936@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher Dow" To: Subject: RE: FS D110 Rock sliders Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 22 lines filtered. ] I simply cannot speak highly enough about those sliders. They are awesome. On the Rubicon, they did the job on the 110 much better than the DR sliders did on the 90, and when you consider the difference in break-over angles, that's really something. C From bens Mon Jan 21 01:40:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0L6eF207256 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 01:40:15 -0500 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 01:40:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200201210640.g0L6eFx07252@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Re: towing with series Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'll be towing a car dolly that's dragging my 1960 Austin Healey 3000. It's a 5 yr project that's finally leaving the metal shop. I'll be towing about 100 miles - from Piru to Redondo Beach except I'll be leaving the body panels in San Gabriel. Future tasks will be sandblast/paint the chassis, rebuild the suspension, brakes and wiring. Install rebuilt drivetrain and then mount body and finish paint. Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW "my life is temporarily confused" Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:41:38 -0500 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: towing with series .......your lovely 109 stationwagon should be able to handle a mere 2K pounds with ease. Moving? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From bens Mon Jan 21 01:45:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0L6jr407301 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 01:45:53 -0500 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 01:45:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200201210645.g0L6jrr07297@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: D110 near my place (Foster City) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi folks, My girlfriend Orlando and I just moved to Foster City in early January. Surprisingly, I found one morning last week there's a white D110 parked 30 yards away from my place, whch is on Polynesia Drive. I am really wondering who is her/his owner... Maybe we can talk about more rover stuff.. Charles Phu _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Mon Jan 21 11:24:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0LGOJr09941 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:24:19 -0500 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:24:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200201211624.g0LGOIL09937@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Freeman, Ben" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: New Bodied Defender- Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well it's great to hear the Downunder crowd has the great pleasure of being able to have many years of Defender trucks available. Well the what I was told was the new Deaf-Lander..lol is targeting for the US market mainly but with LR you never know they have over the years thrown out more good idea then they have actually used. Dunsfold has a prototype Land Rover 110 frame that the body resembles a Dodge/Renault truck. An yes it's a LR badged truck. So they have toyed with different bodies over the years. The main issue with the US is the DOT laws for safety. Many of which aren't bad just how LR choose to meet the DOT requirements is the real problem. But there is no way you can make duel airbags work with the current Defender bulkhead. The truck would vertually be totalled every time it deployed. Besides why would you want airbags on a 4x4 anyway. I'm sure our lawmakers thought of our safety in that respect. I so love how our lawmakers look out for our safety. Sometime they have gone too far. For example Sara Brady and her croonies. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Anyway a different topic. Since I'm babbling away..here's my one fav topic. Why can't we as US tax paying people have the LR Defender we want. Well actually you can just big business wants you to use a RI (registered importer) pay them $$$. AN you can have what you want an if the RI doesn't think they can make enough money off of you they just say sorry your truck won't meet USDOT rules. However, I've made them eat crow. I love doing that. Currently some of you may know I have been in a debate with the DOT regarding the validity of the requirement that you and I must use a RI. Well fact is "NO" you don't. All that is required this is the tough part. Get a letter from the manufacture with the vehicles VIN# on it. Saying it meets all the DOT reg's for the date of manufacture. Now do you think LRNA is going to give you one? It's not in their $$ intrest to. So my latest kick is to get the US DOT importation rule to match the 15 year rule that Canada has. Nw this has good possibilities. So let's write our DOT Commitee member's. Brian Baird(D) Washington is one of them. They can easily write something I'm going to be scheduloing an appointment with him to discuss this soon as I clear up some personal business. SO wish me luck. If I didn't despise politicians so much I would go into politics. lol Well enough of my fav babbling.. Happy Rovering.. Benjamin Freeman,BFILRP www.internationallandrover.com From bens Tue Jan 22 01:01:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0M61Q215078 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 01:01:26 -0500 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 01:01:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200201220601.g0M61Qn15074@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: "Mendo Recce Mailing List" Subject: Cap'n Camo's '92 RR for sale (forward) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Attention Mendo Recce Land Rover Groupies! FOR SALE - As seen in Rovers North sales literature and catalogs - a meticulously maintained and properly equipped: 1992 Range Rover County, Ardennes Green/Winchester Grey Leather (rare) 97,000 miles, $15,550. One owner, LR dealer service only with complete documentation. Great Divide 8,000 lb. Warn winch and brush bar, Rovers North full length Hudson Bay stainless roof rack with custom brackets for pick, ax, shovel, High Lift jack, four fuel cans, second spare tire, plus four Hella Jumbo 220 off road lights. Stainless exhaust, poly bushings, Old Man Emu heavy duty springs, Bilstein shocks, beefy aluminum skid plate plus front and rear differential guards. Five new B.F. Goodrich 225/75R16 All-Terrains plus six (four like new and two brand new) B.F. Goodrich 245/75R16 Mud Terrains on newly powder coated black Rover 130" wheels. New brakes and rotors. Excellent condition. Will deliver to Bay Area locations. Gordon Kallio (aka Captain Camo) Boise, Idaho (208) 389-1492 or gkallio@uswest.net From bens Tue Jan 22 02:35:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0M7ZPT15578 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 02:35:25 -0500 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 02:35:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200201220735.g0M7ZPp15574@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: Defender of the future Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Here are some comments by Ford's Bob Dover regarding the next Defender. I am not sure what the original source was- I found the article in a website called tombraiderchronicles.com. In any event, his comments are encouraging for those of us who want a Land Rover that's true to the original. I guess we'll see. "The Land Rover Defender is arguably the most important icon in the 4x4 world. Arguably, because Jeep is the original contemporary 4x4. Arguably also because today, in almost any television footage of war zones or expeditions, the 4x4 enthusiasts will see that the preferred vehicle would be a Toyota Land Cruiser. Well yes, Lara Croft uses a special project Defender 110 High Capacity as the Tomb Raider, and so did the Camel Trophy events until a few years ago when it lost its 4x4 direction and its innocents were shanghaied into canoeing and abseiling. The Camel Trophy events, and the cigarette advertising budget which bankrolled the campaign which spanned more than a decade, did a great deal more good for Land Rover's image than it did for selling Camel cigarettes, and Robert Dover, Land Rover UK president, is working to fix this, starting with the Defender. Dover, met recently at the Tokyo Motor Show and in a special interview with the CBT, said: "The Defender is an icon for Land Rover. We own the shape and the design. Don't worry about that - we won't change the shape. "But we're working on matching it to the image of toughness, of ultimate capabality. It won't take less than three years and may take up to six years," Dover told CBT. If you want to rescue someone from the mountain, or send emergency supplies to the toughest place in the world, the Land Rover Defender should be there, smack in the thick of the action. "The Defender must represent ultimate capability. Anywhere, anytime, it must be seen as the toughest. We want to get this premium slice of the market and we'll use Ford processes to drive quality. We know what works and what don't. We're going design the quality in the process. Specifically, we have a plant vehicle team, half of whom are manufacturing engineers. Then, we have the current quality teams. There is one team each for the Defender, the Freelander, the Discovery and the Range Rover." In reply to a question that the Defender did not address the needs of the hot and dusty tropics where the air-conditioning of a utility vehicle could no longer be regarded as a luxury, Dover (who admitted to travelling to Malacca in a Toyota) said that it was an engineering problem which could be solved. The Defender is the icon product for Land Rover and whatever it does, the shape can't be changed, which is so recognisable that, like the Volkswagen Beetle, it can be distinguished even from outerspace. "We want to get this utility market. Not all of it, just the premium slice of it," he said. Starting next year, the Land Rover Defender 110 will be sold for the first time in Japan. The only Defender available in Japan previously was the 90, sold as a limited edition item. The latest Defender comes with a new central locking system, new power windows, new rear doors and an upgraded dashboard. There will also be Anti-Lock Braking System (ABS) and 4-wheel ETC (electronic traction control). If anyone can put the shine back on the product, Dover, 46, would be one of them. He's also the man who put the quality back into Jaguar after Ford bought it and injected the prestigious brand into its Premier Automotive Group." ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 From bens Tue Jan 22 02:50:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0M7ofK15661 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 02:50:41 -0500 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 02:50:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200201220750.g0M7ofA15657@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Re: Cap'n Camo's '92 RR for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Granny wrote: >Cap'n Camo's '92 RR for sale >1992 Range Rover County, Ardennes Green/Winchester >Grey Leather (rare) 97,000 miles, $15,550. I really do wish that old Range Rover Classics were holding their value like the D90s, but I have not heard of a RR Classic selling for over $10K since 2000 (edmunds.com shows the value of a '92 Classic ranging from $5,154 trade in to $7,570 dealer retail). The good news for me is that the Range Rovers MkIIs have been dropping in price even faster. I have been keeping a close eye on the second generation prices and lots of nice '95 40.SEs are selling for just under $15K and many '96 4.6HSEs have been selling for just under $20K. Most cars and trucks will take a big drop in price when they no longer look like the "new" model, so I hope to find a nice 4.6HSE in the $15-$20K range in about a year after the all new 3rd generation RRs are on the road. Kevin Kelly From bens Tue Jan 22 03:11:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0M8B2C15758 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 03:11:02 -0500 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 03:11:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200201220811.g0M8B2S15754@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Cap'n Camo's '92 RR for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Seemed kinda expensive to me also! TomW > > Granny wrote: > > >Cap'n Camo's '92 RR for sale > >1992 Range Rover County, Ardennes Green/Winchester > >Grey Leather (rare) 97,000 miles, $15,550. > > I really do wish that old Range Rover Classics were holding > their value like the D90s, but I have not heard of a RR [ 21 additional quoted lines pruned. ] *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Tue Jan 22 11:41:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0MGf8e18138 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:41:08 -0500 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:41:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200201221641.g0MGf8C18134@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Cap'n Camo's '92 RR for sale (forward) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Does it include the rogue bungie that snapped and nearly left him for dead a year or so back? -Dave G. From bens Tue Jan 22 12:14:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0MHEd618298 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:14:39 -0500 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:14:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200201221714.g0MHEcu18294@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Cap'n Camo's '92 RR for sale (forward) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, Tell me more about that!! Bob B At 08:41 AM 1/22/2002, you wrote: >Does it include the rogue bungie that snapped and nearly left him for dead a >year or so back? > >-Dave G. From bens Tue Jan 22 12:30:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0MHUWQ18409 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:30:32 -0500 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:30:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200201221730.g0MHUWw18405@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Cap'n Camo's '92 RR for sale (forward) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Gordn was on a solo trip off in the wilder paces, as is his wont. Story I heard was he was packing up and lashing some gear to the roof rack. Had a bungie hooked to the far side rack rail and was standing on the rear tire to stretch it across to the near side rail when something let go and the end of the bungie came across and cracked him in the forehead. The stunning effect was enough that he fell backward off the tire and landed on his back. Knocked out cold with nobody to help for quite some time I guess, until he came to and drove himself to a hospital for a stay of some duration. That's about how I heard it anyway. Others probably have more accurate info. -Dave G. From bens Tue Jan 22 15:53:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0MKr9E19417 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:53:09 -0500 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:53:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200201222053.g0MKr8I19413@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Thomas Joyner" To: , "Mendo List" Subject: RE: Home made bicycle chain guard, no LR content Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John, There are plenty of premade chain guards out there for roughly $30-$50. They are both stylish and functional. What is available and what the cost is will depend on what type crankset you are using and number of teeth on the big ring: Road 130mm, 135mm bolt diameter, or Mountain Standard 110mm, or Compact 94mm, or the new 4 bolt styles coming out. If you'd like a web link or two to start your search with just let me know. I can't decide if I'm more into bikes or Rovers. Tom Joyner 88 RR Santa Cruz Superlight Durango Bike Works Road bike Guerciotti Cyclocross bike Wild West Single Speed Specialized M2 Stumpjumpoer frankenstein bike Durango, CO From bens Tue Jan 22 19:27:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0N0REQ20511 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:27:14 -0500 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:27:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200201230027.g0N0REK20507@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hope Peter" To: "lr RRO" , "lr LRO" Subject: Land Rover Events Calendar. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Aloha All. Sorry for the cross posting but tis the only way to spread the word. I am creating a single source listing for all Land Rover events for North America. It is a simple monthly calendar showing all the events for the month with links to the web site hosting the event. At the bottom of each month's page is a brief description of the events. I have started working on events for January (yes a bit late) and February, and will continue to flesh out the rest of the year today and tomorrow. The calendar is located in the Adventures section of www.aloharovers.com The direct link is www.aloharovers.com/calendar Please send me notifications of your events so I can add them to the list Many Thanks Pete From bens Tue Jan 22 20:31:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0N1VtH20842 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:31:55 -0500 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:31:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200201230131.g0N1VtT20838@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Home made bicycle chain guard, no LR content Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >. I can't decide if I'm >more into bikes or Rovers. > >Tom Joyner >88 RR >Santa Cruz Superlight >Durango Bike Works Road bike >Guerciotti Cyclocross bike >Wild West Single Speed [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- I think we need to start a new sub-list... "Bikes 'n Rovers" John Hess is a bike freak, I'm a gear head... I think there are some others as well. See you on the trail... RW 65 Dormobile Cannondale Raven Fuji Touring bike 1960 Rickert Track Bike (yes I ride it) From bens Tue Jan 22 22:16:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0N3GdQ21476 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:16:39 -0500 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:16:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200201230316.g0N3Gdj21472@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stephen LaPorta To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: lr for sale ad Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just got back in town and was reading some of the recent digests. Thought the comments re the series IIA/III for sale were interesting. My take on it is this...that seller's vehicle (or any other vehicle for that matter) is worth whatever a buyer is willing to pay for it. If a person puts an ad in the Chronicle asking $45,000 for a '97 Defender 90 and another person pays that amount for it, then, to that buyer, it's worth it. On the other hand, if someone advertises a 1956 Les Paul guitar in the paper for two months for $9,000 and nobody buys it, then, that particular guitar at that particular time, in that particular market, probably isn't worth it. Other points of view re value, while perhaps interesting, fun, controversial, informed, etc., are still just speculation. Steve La Porta '72 Series III the pastel green/limestone daily driver from albany to sf From bens Wed Jan 23 02:29:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0N7TFK23882 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 02:29:15 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 02:29:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200201230729.g0N7TFh23878@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: Cap'n Camo's errant bungee Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org My, how stories do grow! He was standing on a little step stool, on top of his tailgate, tying down a load, as you said. Yes, a bungee did whack him and knock him off onto his shoulder, which shattered. He was at the fringe of a public camp area, by a reservoir. Someone came over for coffee or something and found him. An ambulance had to come from a very long distance and take him back that same very long distance. I cannot clearly remember the other details. I have the complete story around here, someplace in the chaos... Now, that part about driving himself to the hospital, well, I think you've confused Gordon with another pal of mine, Jean-Pierre Hallet, as related in his first book, _Congo_Kitabu_. Yes, I also found the price of his RR a bit high but then my '92 doesn't have the content (or condition) of his. Cheers, Granny From bens Wed Jan 23 02:44:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0N7i0b23959 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 02:44:00 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 02:44:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200201230744.g0N7i0b23955@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Fire Appliance Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, As I was surfing for my new Dormoblie, ...some day :^(... on the web I found a cool Series IIa 88 Fire Appliance. Disclaimer: All I thought is that is was fun to look at. :^) http://www.angelfire.com/nc/jandtautomart/lr.html Keith From bens Wed Jan 23 04:11:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0N9Bp924434 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 04:11:51 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 04:11:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200201230911.g0N9BpB24430@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: Range Rover prices Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 371 lines filtered. ] "I really do wish that old Range Rover Classics were holding their value like the D90s, but I have not heard of a RR Classic selling for over $10K since 2000..." The RR will never command the prices that the Defender does.The Rangie is not rare here, so for the Defender, it's a seller's market. For the RR, it's a buyer's market. Purely a numbers game. Until the Defender returns to the North American Market in as desirable a form, the few that are here will continue to command the mystique, desire and greenbacks that now surround them. My kingdom for a stripped down 110 pickup! (My kingdom is about 1100 square feet, with a year's lease. First & last, plus utilities.) Mo From bens Wed Jan 23 10:41:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0NFfJa26249 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:41:19 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:41:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200201231541.g0NFfJn26245@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bob Frey" To: Subject: RR owner Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Spent the weekend fetching Kelly Minnick's RR. It's now a great truck thanks to Kelly. So I'm back in the fold. Bob Frey From bens Wed Jan 23 13:25:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0NIP9e27248 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:25:09 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:25:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200201231825.g0NIP9L27244@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Cap'n Camo's errant bungee Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....My, how stories do grow!..." Thanks Granny! But I think Gordon wouldn't mind my version enhancing the Captain Camo mystique a bit. :^) Especially if it helps sell the Rangie. Tell him he must include the bungee and the story, and any number of other tales I'm sure are attached to the truck. I think I mentioned once that he is responsible for my owning Land Rovers, and getting to know all of you fine folks, in a twisted third hand sort of way. My buddy Fred ran into Gordon and a fellow named Lynn driving around in the California desert in a couple of series rigs way back when. For years Fred only knew Gordon as "Dog Dick" because he was fond of the term at the time and would say things like "we were off in the middle of dog dick no place" with notable frequency. Fred never did catch Gordon's name at the time, but he did take a bit of sound advice from that meeting when Gordon told him, "If you're gonna travel in Land Rovers, then travel with a good Land Rover mechanic." That was Lynn. At any rate, Fred was enamored of Land Rovers from that day on. Never bought one, but did manage to talk me into doing so a bunch of years later after we met when the almighty dollar called us both to do a stretch in the central mid-west. One thing leads to another and here we are. Fred was also drooling over Gordon's Leica collection, but never bought one of those either. I'm a Nikon man, born and bred, so the German tendencies that have developed in my 4x4 tastes won't be followed in "shutters and glass" any time soon. :^) Now I'm off to the Alibris (used book) website to try and dig up a copy of this "Congo Kitabu" -Dave G. From bens Wed Jan 23 14:11:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0NJBTA27537 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:11:29 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:11:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200201231911.g0NJBSF27533@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Rovers n Bikes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 39 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" I'm bi-polar as well. Cheers, Blair '93 D110 '66 109=20 '94 Steve Potts mtn bike (soon to be retired/replaced) '98 Steve Rex road bike '82 Cinelli Super Corsa converted to fixed-gear townie '88 Mondia 'cross bike From bens Wed Jan 23 14:41:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0NJfFX27746 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:41:15 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:41:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200201231941.g0NJfFC27742@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "G. Mugele" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Cap'n Camo's errant bungee Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 1:25 PM -0500 1/23/02, Gomes, David wrote: > >But I think Gordon wouldn't mind my version enhancing the Captain Camo >mystique a bit. :^) Mystique? Oh he's gonna love that.... Now he'll probably hafta double his PR budget. >My buddy Fred ran into Gordon and a fellow named Lynn driving around in the >California desert in a couple of series rigs way back when. That is Lynn Helm of San Lorenzo, CA Gerry From bens Wed Jan 23 14:46:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0NJkNi27783 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:46:23 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:46:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200201231946.g0NJkNU27779@minbar.fourfold.org> From: FHY To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Rovers n Bikes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I heard that Colnago has a mtn bike on the way. Frank ----------------------------------------- >.... >I'm bi-polar as well. > >Cheers, >Blair > >... >'94 Steve Potts mtn bike (soon to be retired/replaced) >'98 Steve Rex road bike [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jan 23 14:46:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0NJkcd27798 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:46:38 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:46:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200201231946.g0NJkc727794@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Cap'n Camo's errant bungee Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...Mystique? Oh he's gonna love that.... " I thought so. :^) -Dave G. From bens Wed Jan 23 15:27:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0NKRZg28007 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:27:35 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:27:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200201232027.g0NKRZg28003@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: lots to talk about - sightings & an arctic trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey everyone, Lots of interesting sightings to mention. Below these sighting is mention of an upcoming Arctic trip that is being planned for this summer. Sightings: Spotted that 2 door, early model, rhd, swb, mustard yellow RR in SF again about a week ago. This time it had CA plates on it. Last time I saw it (unless it was a different truck) it had Euro plates on it. While watching the (excellent) film Black Hawk Down this past weekend, spotted a number of Rovers in the early scenes. Recall seeing a few SII 109s and a SI 107. While watching Neanderthals on Trial on Nova last night spotted a few scenes of a SII 109. A short while back while watching another show on PBS about a photographer and his life of work in Africa, there was tons of footage of 109s and 110s. Finally saw some real live Freelanders at the Redwood City LR dealer. And speaking of Freelanders, I also saw my first Freelander actually on the road on Sunday afternoon in Noe Valley. It was all black and meet me at a 4-way stop. As I was heading through the intersection I noticed the words "Land Rover" across the front of the hood which was the only way I noticed it was a Rover. It looked so much like a CRV or other mini-SUV that I did a double take until I realized it was a Freelander! The driver didn't seem amused at my pointing and looking, and also didn't seem to realize the connection between his Rover and the one I was driving. Oh well. Yesterday spotted a nicely kitted white D90 softtop wearing a black plastic hardtop with roof rack on it on 7th and Bryant in SF. I've seen this one before, at the mechanical clinic this past summer. I recognized the driver and the truck, but can't remember the name! Petra was driving, everyone waved. Arctic Trip: This summer Petra and I are taking a three week trip to the farthest regions of Canada. We are driving to Inuvik which is on the desolate shores of the Beafort Sea where the Mackenzie River delta spills into the Arctic Ocean. Inuvik is showered with 24 hours of day light during the summer, and is the farthest north you can drive in all of North America. The town is also unique in that it was built in 1954, and because the presence of permafrost meant buildings had to be built on piles and above-ground utilidors needed to be created for water and sewer lines, making for very interesting city planning! But the city is not what we are going for, it's the raw and desolate vastness of the treeless Arctic north that draws us. We plan to spend about a week driving, a week in the region, and a week to come back. We are in contact with individuals that live and work in Inuvik that will be assisting us with alternative routes, offroad destinations, equipment, supplies, etc. The route to Inuvik is actually not that difficult. During the winter it is patched together by a series of ice bridges, and during the summer, free ferries shuddle drivers across where needed. We'll be driving north to the Canadian border, crossing into BC and Alberta, driving north through the Canadian Rockies, continuing north to the Yukon Territory and finally into the Northwest Territories. The route to Dawson City in the Yukon is actually mostly paved, while the route from Dawson City to Inuvik in NT along the Dempster Highway is gravel, but easily drivable by Rovers. We'll be arranging for some offroad driving along the route and near Inuvik. The trip will be a long one. The distance is likely to be about the biggest challenge - it's about 900 miles to the border with Canada, and about 2000 miles to Inuvik. That's quite a haul, but the rewards will be literally a trip of a lifetime. Heards of Caribou are not uncommon as are many others types of Arctic wildlife. If anyone is interested in taking part in this once in a lifetime trip, please let us know ASAP. We are in the planning stages of this trip now and would love to have others join us. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Wed Jan 23 15:33:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0NKXs428050 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:33:54 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:33:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200201232033.g0NKXrC28046@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hope Peter" To: Subject: Re: Cap'n Camo's errant bungee Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org OK, who the heckis Cap'n Camo and where did that name come from? Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: Gomes, David To: Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 11:46 Subject: RE: Cap'n Camo's errant bungee > > "...Mystique? Oh he's gonna love that.... " > > I thought so. :^) > > -Dave G. > From bens Wed Jan 23 15:46:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0NKkSX28124 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:46:28 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:46:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200201232046.g0NKkSl28120@minbar.fourfold.org> From: FHY To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: lots to talk about - sightings & an arctic trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason Pipes wrote: >... We are in the planning stages of this trip now and >would love to have others join us. > You are using the Milepost to plan the trip, right? Also consider using the Alaska Ferry for at least one leg (to or back). If you book now you might be able to get cabins, otherwise it will be camping on the deck. You may also want to think about protection for your windshield/radiator. The big haul trucks kick up a lot of gravel (if the roads are still bad). I made a guard for the front end. See http://home.earthlink.net/~ceyap/page6.html. You should check with GerryM as to what he did. Frank From bens Wed Jan 23 16:13:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0NLDtS28311 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:13:55 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:13:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200201232113.g0NLDsY28307@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "G. Mugele" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Cap'n Camo's errant bungee Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 3:33 PM -0500 1/23/02, Hope Peter wrote: >OK, who the heckis Cap'n Camo and where did that name come from? Ah well now you've done it. The Capn' is also known as Gordon Kallio. He's been an LRO since the 80s sometime (you know... a relative newby). His first was a 109 regular that he dumped cubic dollars into and made it look very military; except for the fact that no military unit ever spent that much keeping one running. AFAIK he still has it stashed in a (heated?) garage in Sonoma. When he really got into it, he made everything either olive-drab, olive glossy or Camo. He dressed in camo alot, had camo seat covers. He even kept a roll of camo TP at the ready.... no I'm not making that up. I suspect that if he had a dog he would have had one bred to be camo. He adorned his 109 with various official looking stickers including one on the rear cross-member "FULL COMBAT LOAD." I guess that the best way to describe him would be to say that he love toys. Now all of us like our toys, otherwise we'd be all driving a Kia or something. Gordon is in a whole other reality when it come to having all the toys and playing with 'em. Few of us could even afford his toys. He was a Marine pilot (fighter I think) and I believe the Captain appellation is from his rank at the time. Or it may have just been the alliteration. In the 80s he and his wife lived in SF and Sonoma and then he moved to Vancouver for a brief time there and then on to Idaho where he was for much of the 90s. I thought that he had returned to Sonoma until I noted that Granny's announcement of the RR for sale listed his Boisie number. I met him here in Sonoma Valley in about 87 or 88 when we passed on the road and had to compare Land Rovers. Being a natural organizer, Gordon got groups of LROs together for a variety of informal events. It was through him that I began to associate with the rest of the crazy people who owned LRs pack then. He even talked me into going to Moab with a bunch of Northern Calif LROs for the Rover's North/Land Rover Owners Assn (RIP) in 89 or 90. I'm sure that everyone that has spent any time at all with Gordon has at least one story to tell. An interesting character to be sure. Gerry From bens Wed Jan 23 16:46:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0NLkwW28516 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:46:58 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:46:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200201232146.g0NLkw628512@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: SIIa RHD 109 Frame Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ok, Come and get... Free. Minimal rust. Very usable. Contact Scott Rachfal at scott@bitfuel.com. From bens Wed Jan 23 16:52:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0NLqdL28563 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:52:39 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:52:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200201232152.g0NLqd628559@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: lots to talk about - sightings & an arctic trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks for the pointers Frank. When you say Mileposts, what are you refering to? Along the Dempster? Another aspect of this trip is most certainly getting the comments and suggestions from those who've already driven to the Arctic. Frank, Gerry, Morgan, others, I imagine you all have a lot to offer in this regards. Thanks in advance to everyone for your comments! Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Wed Jan 23 17:05:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0NM5x028681 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:05:59 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:05:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200201232205.g0NM5xI28677@minbar.fourfold.org> From: FHY To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: lots to talk about - sightings & an arctic trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The book. See http://www.themilepost.com/ Frank ------------------------------------------ Jason Pipes wrote: >Thanks for the pointers Frank. When you say Mileposts, what are you refering >to? Along the Dempster? > From bens Wed Jan 23 17:15:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0NMFgo28751 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:15:42 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:15:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200201232215.g0NMFgr28747@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: lots to talk about - sightings & an arctic trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Holy cow Frank! Thanks, what a great resource, I had no idea this even existed. Although I suppose with so much info it also makes it a little less dramatic, but I digress. ;-) I think I heard the local name for RV'rs that travel to this region as "end of the roaders" which I suppose is not a bad label to wear. I suppose I fit that discription myself in fact, even though I don't drive an RV... Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Wed Jan 23 17:24:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0NMOjw28788 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:24:45 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:24:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200201232224.g0NMOj528784@minbar.fourfold.org> From: David Guinivere To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: lots to talk about - sightings & an arctic trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ 62 lines filtered. ] --=====================_153817608==_.ALT Jason, Sounds like a great trip! Some other things to consider: If you can go in August - September - Fewer bugs, fall colors starting to appear (Tennis rackets make good bug repellent equipment ), although there may be more snow to contend with. Alaska has 2 seasons... Winter and Road Repair - Expect delays (half hour delays are common... and frequent) but that's the best time to see moose, caribou..... Alaska Ferry System is great! But also very popular. - As Frank said in an earlier message, get your reservations now, or expect to camp on the deck. If you have time and are an avid reader, read Mitchner's "Alaska". Its long, but the historical fiction gave me great insights to Alaska's history and lore (including why buildings are surrounded by poles sticking out of the ground) before my first trip. One day I want to drive the "Alcan".... - Dave G. At 04:52 PM 1/23/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Thanks for the pointers Frank. When you say Mileposts, what are you refering >to? Along the Dempster? > >Another aspect of this trip is most certainly getting the comments and >suggestions from those who've already driven to the Arctic. Frank, Gerry, >Morgan, others, I imagine you all have a lot to offer in this regards. >Thanks in advance to everyone for your comments! > >Jason Pipes [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] --=====================_153817608==_.ALT From bens Wed Jan 23 17:39:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0NMdbE28879 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:39:37 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:39:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200201232239.g0NMdbV28875@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Rovers n Bikes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org reminds of a sighting here in Davis. I pulled up to a stop light next to a woman on an older style mountain bike, no big deal. But I looked over at it and after looking at the stylized logo realized it was a Cinelli! I had never heard of such a thing, a mountain Cinelli? I said how old is that bike and where did it come from? She told me yes, it was ?15 years old and Cinelli didn't make mountain bikes very long. cheers, > > I heard that Colnago has a mtn bike on the way. > > Frank > > ----------------------------------------- > >... > >'94 Steve Potts mtn bike (soon to be retired/replaced) > >'98 Steve Rex road bike [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens Wed Jan 23 17:42:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0NMgVu28913 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:42:31 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:42:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200201232242.g0NMgVD28909@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi" To: Subject: For Jason Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Did you get my messages. If not can you call me later at work. 510 705 5611 Mehdi From bens Wed Jan 23 17:45:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0NMj9b28932 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:45:09 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:45:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200201232245.g0NMj9m28928@minbar.fourfold.org> From: FHY To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Rovers n Bikes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org john hess wrote: >reminds of a sighting here in Davis. I pulled up to a stop light next to >a woman on an older style mountain bike, no big deal. But I looked over >at it and after looking at the stylized logo realized it was a Cinelli! > And I believe you could get them with all Campy parts! Frank From bens Wed Jan 23 19:58:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0O0w7d29636 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:58:07 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:58:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200201240058.g0O0w7P29632@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: lots to talk about - sightings & an arctic trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason, Sounds like a WONDERFUL trip. One word of advice, prepare for the worst and expect the best. It will probably happen (both of them). It sounds like you're well on your way to planning a successful trip, your resources are sound, you have good connections, and your timeframe sounds perfect. When I did it a few years ago, I was unfortunate to be travelling with a group of people whose only objective was to get to Inuvik, and get there fast. 3 weeks is a reasonably adequate time frame. If you can plan the week that you plan to be back loose enough, you might leave the option open to stay up there for an additional week. Of course you know you can't see it all, but with 7 more days, you can at least see a little bit more. I have some good Canada maps, and a two-part master map of the entire Canadian provinces topographical maps that are available. Unfortunately the only really good place to get Canadian maps is in Canada. If you need any advice from me, I'd be glad to help. What I wouldn't want to do would be to see you do the kind of trip I would want to have, rather help you to have the kind of trip YOU want to have. You're on a good start. Good luck! Michael _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Wed Jan 23 20:20:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0O1KHL29781 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:20:17 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:20:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200201240120.g0O1KG329777@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Thomas Joyner" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Bikes 'n Rovers, still no LR content Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Russ said: "I think we need to start a new sub-list... "Bikes 'n Rovers" John Hess is a bike freak, I'm a gear head... I think there are some others as well." Russ, I'm down with that. Next week I'm flying to Belguim to go to Zolder and watch the World Cyclocross championships. The US has a team of 17 and could do very well in the Men's Elite as well as other classes. Should be a very exciting trip! LR content: I'll be keeping my eyes peeled for all things Rover too. Tom From bens Wed Jan 23 20:43:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0O1hdc29907 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:43:39 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:43:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200201240143.g0O1hdZ29903@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "T&S Bennett" To: Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #645 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Defender of the future Re: Comments by Ford's Bob Dover reassuring the Defender line's design continuity and future styling status: Whew! Praise The Ford! But UK L'Rover chief Dover riding in a 'Toyoda' on the road to Malacca because the Jap aircon is better? Not one of Rover's better marketing manouvres! T Ted and Solange Bennett CANBERRA - Where Landroves are always off the road. apg@bigfoot.com.au From bens Wed Jan 23 20:46:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0O1kFh29940 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:46:15 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:46:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200201240146.g0O1kEr29936@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "T&S Bennett" To: Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #644 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org G'day! & Help! - Two items from Oz: 1. Maybe, Ben, you could get a lawyer - there must be one on this list, to represent your submission to the US Fed DOT so they might recognise any disputed older Series L'Rover features in their regulations? 2. Help - anyone? I've just put transfer case and gearbox back in our 109 SW - after inspecting the bits inside and renewing a thrust race in the clutch. I did it right, I swear: painted and replaced the floor, had a local Jesuit priest bless the new oil for the gearbox, and baptised the new rubber gear lever housing with a can of Fosters. Everything done by The Book (of Job - Old Testament). Problem is I can't get it to stay in high range. Pushing the transfer lever forward gives a near negaive result - just a slight chattering noise (but there are so many noises down there that it's difficujlt to know if this is a symptom). I've pulled the floor out and repeated the mechanicals removal and re-installation, but still the problem remains. Searching through my well-searched workshop manuals hasn't helped. Before I submit to the indignity of professional help, can anyone suggest something I might have overlooked - like having myopically lost or left out a 'low-end reverse grunnion washer', or whatever? Thanks...... T Ted Theodore T Ted and Solange Bennett Canberra - Australia apg@bigfoot.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: Mendo_Recce digest: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 5:02 PM Subject: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #644 > > Mendo_Recce digest: Tuesday, January 22 2002 Volume 02 : Number 644 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:26:54 -0500 > From: Jason Pipes > Subject: Re: FS D110 Rock sliders [ 72 additional quoted lines pruned. ] wondering > who is her/his owner... Maybe we can talk about more rover stuff.. > > Charles Phu > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > ------------------------------ > [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] being > able to have many years of Defender trucks available. > > Well the what I was told was the new Deaf-Lander..lol is targeting for the > US market mainly but with LR you never know they have over the years thrown > out more good idea then they have actually used. > > Dunsfold has a prototype Land Rover 110 frame that the body resembles a > Dodge/Renault truck. An yes it's a LR badged truck. So they have toyed with > different bodies over the years. The main issue with the US is the DOT laws > for safety. Many of which aren't bad just how LR choose to meet the DOT > requirements is the real problem. But there is no way you can make duel > airbags work with the current Defender bulkhead. The truck would vertually > be totalled every time it deployed. > > Besides why would you want airbags on a 4x4 anyway. I'm sure our lawmakers > thought of our safety in that respect. I so love how our lawmakers look out > for our safety. Sometime they have gone too far. For example Sara Brady and > her croonies. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Anyway a different > topic. > > Since I'm babbling away..here's my one fav topic. Why can't we as US tax > paying people have the LR Defender we want. Well actually you can just big > business wants you to use a RI (registered importer) pay them $$$. AN you > can have what you want an if the RI doesn't think they can make enough money > off of you they just say sorry your truck won't meet USDOT rules. However, > I've made them eat crow. I love doing that. Currently some of you may know I > have been in a debate with the DOT regarding the validity of the requirement > that you and I must use a RI. Well fact is "NO" you don't. All that is > required this is the tough part. Get a letter from the manufacture with the > vehicles VIN# on it. Saying it meets all the DOT reg's for the date of > manufacture. Now do you think LRNA is going to give you one? It's not in > their $$ intrest to. So my latest kick is to get the US DOT importation rule > to match the 15 year rule that Canada has. Nw this has good possibilities. > So let's write our DOT Commitee member's. Brian Baird(D) Washington is one > of them. They can easily write something I'm going to be scheduloing an > appointment with him to discuss this soon as I clear up some personal > business. SO wish me luck. If I didn't despise politicians so much I would > go into politics. lol > > Well enough of my fav babbling.. > [ 19 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Divide > 8,000 lb. Warn winch and brush bar, Rovers North full length Hudson Bay > stainless roof rack with custom brackets for pick, ax, shovel, High Lift > jack, four fuel cans, second spare tire, plus four Hella Jumbo 220 off road > lights. Stainless exhaust, poly bushings, Old Man Emu heavy duty springs, > Bilstein shocks, beefy aluminum skid plate plus front and rear differential > guards. Five new B.F. Goodrich 225/75R16 All-Terrains plus six (four like > new and two brand new) B.F. Goodrich 245/75R16 Mud Terrains on newly powder > coated black Rover 130" wheels. New brakes and rotors. Excellent condition. > Will deliver to Bay Area locations. > > Gordon Kallio (aka Captain Camo) Boise, Idaho (208) 389-1492 or > gkallio@uswest.net > > ------------------------------ > > End of Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #644 > ********************************** [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jan 23 20:48:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0O1mAr29954 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:48:10 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:48:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200201240148.g0O1mAV29950@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Rovers n Bikes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >I'm bi-polar as well. > >Cheers, >Blair > >'93 D110 >'66 109=20 >'94 Steve Potts mtn bike (soon to be retired/replaced) [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- Uh oh... the closet velo-freaks are beginning to show themselves... From bens Wed Jan 23 20:52:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0O1qIE29988 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:52:18 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:52:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200201240152.g0O1qIk29984@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Rovers n Bikes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I heard that Colnago has a mtn bike on the way. > >Frank > >----------------------------------------- > >>.... >>I'm bi-polar as well. >> [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- Save your money.... The latest Colnagos that I've looked at were not even close to the level of craftsmanship that I would expect on a bike in that price range. If you MUST have an Italian bike there are others doing in better for less $. Just my $.02 Cheers RW From bens Wed Jan 23 21:05:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0O25Bn30058 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:05:11 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:05:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200201240205.g0O25Aa30054@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Bikes 'n Rovers, still no LR content Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > Russ said: > > "I think we need to start a new sub-list... "Bikes 'n Rovers" John > Hess is a bike freak, I'm a gear head... I think there are some > others as well." > Russ, Did you say have a Raven? I do also, It turns out the battery in head shock finally went dead, so I took it apart today to pu a new one in. I got the cylinander like thing out that holds the battery, but with hitting it with a sledge, it won't go back in> havee you ever replaced yours? Do you even have the model with the electric shock engagement?? TomW *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Wed Jan 23 21:28:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0O2S1D30182 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:28:01 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:28:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200201240228.g0O2S1A30178@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #644 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org been there done that. Check, with someone who isn't dyslexic, the diagram of the mounting of the bottom of the xfer case shift lever to the bell housing. should be (going from memory)(from rear to front) bolt head, bell housing, spacer, bracket, lock washer, nut. PS. I bet your low range engages with the shift lever straight up and down, not pointing backward. good luck, > chattering noise (but there are so many noises down there that it's > difficujlt to know if this is a symptom). I've pulled the floor out and > repeated the mechanicals removal and re-installation, but still the problem > remains. > T Ted Theodore > > T Ted and Solange Bennett > Canberra - Australia > apg@bigfoot.com.au [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens Wed Jan 23 22:11:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0O3B2J30386 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:11:02 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:11:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200201240311.g0O3B2W30382@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher Dow" To: Subject: RE: lots to talk about - sightings & an arctic trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 7 lines filtered. ] While watching the documentary on the same subject on the History channel last night (aired on Monday--I love my job!) I noticed some of the footage (which I assume was the stuff they inserted for dramatization) included a few frames of the Ranger 110. Anachronistic, I think, but cool none the less. C P.S. I had difficulty putting down the book Black Hawk Down. From bens Wed Jan 23 22:29:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0O3Txa30461 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:29:59 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:29:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200201240329.g0O3TxJ30457@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Clarke Williams To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: towing with series Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The original equipment tow jaw (fitted with pin) can be easily fitted with a ball on the top "tab". It is plenty strong enough for a trailer up to 2-3000 lbs. I've towed trailers that heavy thousands of (highway) miles. The engine is a bit weak for that much weight but the truck will take it if you travel slowly/carefully. clarke At 01:50 AM 1/20/02 -0500, you wrote: > >Most of the hitches that I've accumulated have one or the other of the >tongues cut off and a ball attached to the remaining one. None of the >tongues are bent so looks like they did the job for the PO. Personally, >have never used the tow hitch with a ball except to tow a rover with an A >frame tow bar. Looking at the thickness of most hitches designed for balls >I'd say you'd be safe. Of course, everything depends on tongue weight but >usually that's not that much. > [ 26 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jan 23 23:38:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0O4cxb30780 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:38:59 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:38:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200201240438.g0O4cwP30776@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: "Mendo" Subject: Re: Rovers n Bikes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" ] [ 19 lines filtered. ] >> Uh oh... the closet velo-freaks are beginning to show themselves... <= < I know it going to be very, very hard to believe but I used to practicall= y live on a bicycle when I was in the USAF and in college. Some of my mo= re notable trips were Glacier-to-Yellowstone (solo - crossing the Contine= ntal Divide 3 times), a 600-mile-in-a-week Texas Hill Country tour and I'= ve climbed to Clingman's Dome from both sides (Gatlinburg (sp?) and Chero= kee) in the Smokies. =20 I've done 3 double-centuries (200 miles in a day) and about 10 centuries.= I also used to ride with an Atlanta club when overnighters to north GA= were common as were skinny dippin' at "dark o' five". =20 All of this was a long time ago (and many pounds) needless to say. My bi= cycle was (and still is) a custom Mercian frame from the UK set up for mo= untainous touring and I also have a Specialized Stumpjumper purchased in = 1985. =20 Cheers, Gerry PHX AZ From bens Thu Jan 24 00:21:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0O5L0D32028 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:21:00 -0500 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:20:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200201240520.g0O5KxG32024@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: RR owner Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 18 lines filtered. ] In a message dated 1/23/02 6:12:19 AM Pacific Standard Time, rwfrey@attbi.com writes: > Spent the weekend fetching Kelly Minnick's RR. It's now a great truck thanks > to Kelly. So I'm back in the fold. > > Bob Frey > > > > I'll go out and tell Chug. There may be some tears from the old bean. Congrats though. at last a Rover that is freeway fast, for Frey. Zack From bens Thu Jan 24 14:32:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0OJWfo03627 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:32:41 -0500 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:32:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200201241932.g0OJWfg03623@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" To: "'mendo'" Subject: No LR content but off-road rally.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I may have missed prior comments so excuse me if this is a repeat. Speedvision has been running coverage of the Dakar Rally for the last few weeks. Their coverage is almost over but if you want to see some nice desert racing on motorcycles, autos and huge trucks, take a look. In PHX, it's on at 6 PM. Unbelievable! Cheers, Gerry From bens Thu Jan 24 15:22:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0OKMNP03900 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:22:23 -0500 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:22:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200201242022.g0OKMN203896@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Freeman, Ben" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: S2a RHD frame... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Scott- I want it! I want it!...dam I'm 13 hours away...on the Washington Coast. I know rain rain...... Anyone willing to store it...? Or any suggestions on shipping a 109 frame? Please share your thoughts on this it has to go by Monday... Happy Rovering From bens Fri Jan 25 01:45:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0P6jaM08432 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 01:45:36 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 01:45:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200201250645.g0P6jam08428@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Michael Petrone To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Emails Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have not seen any emails from the group. Is there a problem with the site or server? From bens Fri Jan 25 02:18:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0P7IM508611 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 02:18:22 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 02:18:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200201250718.g0P7IMX08607@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Emails Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200201250645.g0P6jam08428@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > I have not seen any emails from the group. Is there a problem with the > site or server? Not that I'm aware of. Your email got through to the list and was sent out... Ben From bens Fri Jan 25 02:47:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0P7l3b08748 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 02:47:03 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 02:47:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200201250747.g0P7l3a08744@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Eric Wilcox To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: re: Rovers & Bikes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org How about tri-polar? '93 D110 '99 Santa Cruz Superlite mtn bike '00 Bianchi 'cross bike '98 BMW R1100GS and a 55 gallon drum for cookin' ribs > >I'm bi-polar as well. > >Cheers, >Blair > >'93 D110 >'66 109=20 >'94 Steve Potts mtn bike (soon to be retired/replaced) [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jan 25 11:25:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0PGP3c11268 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:25:03 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:25:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200201251625.g0PGP2511264@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher Dow" To: Subject: Non-Rover sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I saw an Aston Martin DB 7 on the road yesterday. Mmmmm. That is the first sports car I've seen in a while that really excited me. Alas, the sticker is a bit shocking at $150K. C From bens Fri Jan 25 11:33:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0PGXq111336 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:33:52 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:33:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200201251633.g0PGXpV11332@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Matt Wilson To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Rovers & Bikes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Eric Wilcox, Wrote: "and a 55 gallon drum for cookin' ribs" Eric, your Ribs are Legendary down here in SB. Jason #2 and I have been preaching about how good they are to our lunch bunch. I think we might have four people riding in the 88" from SB to Mendo just for the food..... Matt W -----Original Message----- From: Eric Wilcox [mailto:ewilcox@a-c.com] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:47 PM To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: re: Rovers & Bikes How about tri-polar? '93 D110 '99 Santa Cruz Superlite mtn bike '00 Bianchi 'cross bike '98 BMW R1100GS and a 55 gallon drum for cookin' ribs > >I'm bi-polar as well. > >Cheers, >Blair > >'93 D110 >'66 109=20 >'94 Steve Potts mtn bike (soon to be retired/replaced) [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jan 25 11:52:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0PGqYM11441 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:52:34 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:52:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200201251652.g0PGqXi11437@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Trips Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I need trips!!! Actually just curious when Jeremy was planning on the mud run. I may have work release for a weekend from my girls. Regent has been lonely sitting in the garage watching me clean up around him. We are picking up our new Starcraft 2108 tent trailer tomorrow in Fremont, and then going to visit the in-laws in Monte Sereno, so if anyone spots a RR LWB with a new toy behind it, that's me. The new trailer is a small one. It is 1450lbs dry, 14'. I plan on towing it up to mendo with Regent!!! That way Crystal and Cynthia will attend in the RR. Should be fun towing it with a short wheelbase. It does have electric brakes. Now I just need to figure out a way to lift it. Possibly a spring over. Or maybe fab up some Rover Hubs on it and put on 16" Rover wheels:) -Rob From bens Fri Jan 25 11:59:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0PGxAV11483 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:59:10 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:59:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200201251659.g0PGxAV11479@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_Recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Free plastic parts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have three things off the RR LWB 1. Plastic side sills(good condition) 2. Lower front air dam with no fog lights. Has the cutouts for stock bullbar. Should work on any RR?(Pretty good condition) 3. Lower tray. This is the lower plastic tray that mounts to the frame and the airdam. (Pretty good condition) Come pick up soon, or Davis landfill gets them. -Rob From bens Fri Jan 25 12:33:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0PHXZB11698 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:33:35 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:33:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200201251733.g0PHXYp11694@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Trips Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rob, What you propose with your little 14 foot trailer is definitely do-able. I am just finishing up building my own little 14 foot trailer, and we did do a custom straight axle using flanges from a 109 machined pressed and welded into the straight axle, hubs, spindles, etc..from a 109. Did a spring-over using 109 rear springs, and 16 inch Rover wheels. Building the axle actually wasn't that hard, the only hard part was pressing out the early IIa wheel studs, machining the holes to accept the late III wheel studs and making sure everything was squared up. Might be a nice little project, not too expensive, not too difficult, and the benefits are definitely worth the effort. Just some thoughts.... Michael >From: "Kerner, Rob" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" >Subject: Trips >Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:52:33 -0500 > >I need trips!!! Actually just curious when Jeremy was planning on the mud >run. I may have work release for a weekend from my girls. Regent has been >lonely sitting in the garage watching me clean up around him. [ 14 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From bens Fri Jan 25 12:47:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0PHlFB11790 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:47:15 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:47:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200201251747.g0PHlF911786@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Rich Williams" To: "LRO List" , "Mendo List" Subject: [LR Lists] Another Landy at the Williams' House Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org After a lot of looking and with loads of help both on and offline from many of you out there I finally bought the second Rover I was searching for. My dad and I drove three hours south to Portland yesterday to look at three different trucks (after scouring the Seattle market) and by 930 last night I pulled into my driveway with the new truck. It's a 1989 Classic with about 88,000 miles on the clock (yes, it checks out) and is completely stock. It needs the usual sorting but isn't a 'project' truck. Oh, that's right, it's a Land Rover, well maybe it is a project truck, but it's in great shape considering all. Thanks again to all those who emailed or phoned with suggestions, offers of sale and the like. It was all very appreciated. Rich Williams 1960 Series II 109 SW - restoration in progress 1989 Range Rover Classic From bens Fri Jan 25 12:59:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0PHxbN11879 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:59:37 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:59:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200201251759.g0PHxbM11875@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hope Peter" To: Subject: Re: Trips Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I need trips!!! Actually just curious when Jeremy was planning on the mud > run Rob, there have been a couple of additions to the Rover Events Calendar over the past couple days. I have been getting some good responses from clubs accross the country. I also fixed the firewall issue that was blocking all but dot mil people....doah!!! www.aloharovers.com/calendar Pete From bens Fri Jan 25 16:53:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0PLrdF13026 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:53:39 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:53:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200201252153.g0PLrcO13022@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Non-Rover sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > I saw an Aston Martin DB 7 on the road yesterday. Mmmmm. That is the > first sports car I've seen in a while that really excited me. Alas, the > sticker is a bit shocking at $150K. > > C I drove a new one at the dealership a while back, it was sweet, 12 cylinder convertable , the road was a tad wet, and it was able to spin the tires a little at 55 changing gears ( the sales droid musta loved that :)... I passed on it ( to pricey ) but a budy of myne ordered one. Major Panache with that vehicle! This must be said while clinching front teeth sounding like Thurston Howell the III :) Lovey! TomW *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Fri Jan 25 17:04:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0PM46P13097 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:04:06 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:04:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200201252204.g0PM46013093@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Non-Rover sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm with you on this one Chris. I've only seen one one the road, ever. Asolutely gorgeous, in a Jaguar sort of way, only more muscular looking. They're commonly available used for around $70k so save your allowance. :-) Bruce whose idea of a good English sports car is a Cobra, Aston, blown Bentley (circa 1930's), or D-type. Christopher Dow wrote: > I saw an Aston Martin DB 7 on the road yesterday. Mmmmm. That is the > first sports car I've seen in a while that really excited me. Alas, the > sticker is a bit shocking at $150K. > > C From bens Fri Jan 25 17:14:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0PME2O13155 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:14:02 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:14:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200201252214.g0PME2t13151@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: was trips, now trailers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 28 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" Rob, Do what Michael "Polla" Slade did-- but use a good-sized steel tube (3-4" dia) for the axle. Install a breather and fill/drain plugs and voila: you have well-lubed trailer wheels and a huge reservoir of 90WT for contingencies on your tow vehicle... Cheers.=20 From bens Fri Jan 25 17:24:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0PMOJZ13212 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:24:19 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:24:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200201252224.g0PMOJS13208@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: was trips, now trailers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Blair, Polla is my wife. For some reason I just started using her hotmail account and didn't bother to set up my own. Oh well. Anyway, the 'tube-o-90wt' thought had actually come across my mind as being somewhat viable! Hehe. Glad to see I'm not the only weird one here. Later, Michael >From: "Blair Peterson" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: "Mendo (E-mail)" >Subject: was trips, now trailers >Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:14:02 -0500 > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; ] > [ 28 lines filtered. ] [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Fri Jan 25 17:24:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0PMOMB13226 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:24:22 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:24:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200201252224.g0PMOL413222@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: trips again Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 20 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" By rough count, it is _only_ about 90 days 'til Mendo (get to work on all those Rover projects, everybody!). From bens Fri Jan 25 17:30:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0PMU1R13267 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:30:01 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:30:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200201252230.g0PMU0h13263@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Brian Foster" To: Subject: No new list... keep it here! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have been watching the bicycle comments and would encourage those that think it should be moved off list to reconsider. IMO mendo_recce was never really a LR discussion only... I can recall guns, politics, house renovation (& publication), so on and so forth. I -- one voice amongst many -- love the errant nature and common love of interesting things non-LR that appear here. Please don't take this offline... keep it here for all to enjoy. Brian "How do I end up LR-less" Foster '91 SE BRG Miata '91 GMC Suburban '74 BMW 2002A From bens Fri Jan 25 17:59:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0PMxxS13416 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:59:59 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:59:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200201252259.g0PMxx213412@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: Non-Rover sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org There is one that lives in Saratoga near Villa Montalvo. It's a weird Light Green metallic color, but still and awesome car. -->Jeff on 1/25/02 2:04 PM, Bruce R. Bonar at brbonar@value.net wrote: > > I'm with you on this one Chris. I've only seen one one the road, ever. > Asolutely gorgeous, in a Jaguar sort of way, only more muscular looking. > They're commonly available used for around $70k so save your allowance. :-) > > Bruce > whose idea of a good English sports car is a Cobra, Aston, blown Bentley > (circa 1930's), or D-type. > [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jan 25 18:04:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0PN43i13456 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:04:03 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:04:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200201252304.g0PN43l13452@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Sightings in LG Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org 1/23 evening - 109 pickup. Looked like a restoration in-progress, but it was dark. Anyone on the list? Nick? I'm jealous. Shannon Holland - every day at LG Coffee Roasting Co. sometimes at Fry's in Campbell. :-) Rick Larson - Clearwater Networks parking lot, off Knowles. Is that where you're working Rick? I'm right across the street now. From bens Fri Jan 25 18:19:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0PNJ7O13549 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:19:07 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:19:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200201252319.g0PNJ6213545@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Eric Wilcox To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: re: Rovers 'n Ribs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Aw, Matt - now you've done it. Your compliments have cinched the fact that I guess the barrel goes on the roof again. I was considering not bringing it to reduce my branch-bustin' height. But, I guess it's good to be known for something, and it's never gonna be for my mechanical skills! I hope Rusty's on the mend (no pun intended) and I look forward to April. I watched the film just two days ago that John Kieckhefer put together of us last year and am all fired up. There was one scene with Rusty coming down a _very_ steep section and starting to slide, getting kinda sideways - and the old sphincter tightened up just watching it. Eric W D110 - Jerry > > >Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:33:51 -0500 >From: Matt Wilson >Subject: RE: Rovers & Bikes > >Eric Wilcox, Wrote: "and a 55 gallon drum for cookin' ribs" > > [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jan 25 18:27:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0PNRdK13641 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:27:39 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:27:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200201252327.g0PNRd613637@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Non-Rover sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org There is a reason they are gorgeous in a Jaguar sort of way - they share a lot of parts. I saw several (or maybe the same one many times) in north Phoenix when they were undergoing testing just before they hit the market. "Bruce R. Bonar" wrote: From bens Fri Jan 25 18:28:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0PNSCE13655 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:28:12 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:28:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200201252328.g0PNSBR13651@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Non-Rover sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org That's the one I saw. "Weird Light Green..." is being MUCH to kind. That paint job was a terrible thing to do to a very nice car. Bruce Jeff Rogers wrote: > There is one that lives in Saratoga near Villa Montalvo. It's a weird Light > Green metallic color, but still and awesome car. -->Jeff > > on 1/25/02 2:04 PM, Bruce R. Bonar at brbonar@value.net wrote: > > > > > I'm with you on this one Chris. I've only seen one one the road, ever. > > Asolutely gorgeous, in a Jaguar sort of way, only more muscular looking. > > They're commonly available used for around $70k so save your allowance. :-) [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jan 25 18:50:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0PNoLj13764 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:50:21 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:50:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200201252350.g0PNoLS13760@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Matt Wilson To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Rovers 'n Ribs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rusty is on the mend, I should get her back next week. I traded in the first rental Car a Toyota corolla (I couldn't stand the cigarette smell) and they gave me a 2001 Chevy S10 extended cab three weeks of driving around in it. has made me soft. I have been emailing Rich Williams about his 89 Range Rover. where he found it, how much, extra. So I might have to break my rule of only one vehicle at a time. Looking forward to good eats.... Matt W 73 88" Fat chance Mnt bike Jade Mnt/touring bike (My friend Jade made bikes for a local builder named Mike Celmins) her claim to fame is making the track bike for Rory O Reilly I think it was 84 Olympics... any way the bike is one of my favorite toy's. its all fillet brazed, I made the Bottom bracket from some Titanium stock Diamond back road bike (Gift from friends, they felt sorry for me at Triathlons without a road bike) -----Original Message----- From: Eric Wilcox [mailto:ewilcox@a-c.com] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 3:19 PM To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: re: Rovers 'n Ribs Aw, Matt - now you've done it. Your compliments have cinched the fact that I guess the barrel goes on the roof again. I was considering not bringing it to reduce my branch-bustin' height. But, I guess it's good to be known for something, and it's never gonna be for my mechanical skills! I hope Rusty's on the mend (no pun intended) and I look forward to April. I watched the film just two days ago that John Kieckhefer put together of us last year and am all fired up. There was one scene with Rusty coming down a _very_ steep section and starting to slide, getting kinda sideways - and the old sphincter tightened up just watching it. Eric W D110 - Jerry > > >Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:33:51 -0500 >From: Matt Wilson >Subject: RE: Rovers & Bikes > >Eric Wilcox, Wrote: "and a 55 gallon drum for cookin' ribs" > > [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jan 25 19:32:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0Q0WM713997 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:32:22 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:32:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200201260032.g0Q0WMv13993@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Non-Rover sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org bruce, there is a lite blue DB7 running around redwood shores and ralstons area, must be from oracle, also lots of Freelander in RC also, i've seen 6 so far and also 3 new MB G500 fil bruce wrote: > >That's the one I saw. "Weird Light Green..." is being MUCH to kind. That >paint >job was a terrible thing to do to a very nice car. > >Bruce > >Jeff Rogers wrote: > [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From bens Fri Jan 25 19:33:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0Q0X3R14011 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:33:03 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:33:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200201260033.g0Q0X3914007@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sightings in LG Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Friday, January 25, 2002, at 03:04 PM, Jeff Rogers wrote: > Shannon Holland - every day at LG Coffee Roasting Co. sometimes at > Fry's in > Campbell. :-) > That's sick! Yes, I am that predictable (well about the coffee addiction). Where are you at these times - haven't seen you in the coffee shop, but then I kinda run in and out. Do you work nearby? Shannon From bens Fri Jan 25 19:41:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0Q0frE14064 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:41:53 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:41:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200201260041.g0Q0frp14060@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Nick Baggarly" To: Subject: Re: Sightings in LG Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > 1/23 evening - 109 pickup. Looked like a restoration in-progress, but it was > dark. Anyone on the list? Nick? I'm jealous. Oh you must be referring to the endless maintenance pit at 428 University? Nope, no new additions to this driveway for a while now. Nick From bens Fri Jan 25 20:34:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0Q1YJR14281 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 20:34:19 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 20:34:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200201260134.g0Q1YJu14277@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: Sightings in LG Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm moving in across the street, 14 W Main St. on 1/25/02 4:33 PM, Shannon Holland at holland@loser.net wrote: > > > On Friday, January 25, 2002, at 03:04 PM, Jeff Rogers wrote: > >> Shannon Holland - every day at LG Coffee Roasting Co. sometimes at >> Fry's in >> Campbell. :-) >> > [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jan 25 20:35:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0Q1ZEL14303 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 20:35:14 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 20:35:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200201260135.g0Q1ZDG14299@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: Sightings in LG Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ah. Well, someone has a nice project underway. -->Jeff on 1/25/02 4:41 PM, Nick Baggarly at nick@baggarly.com wrote: > > >> 1/23 evening - 109 pickup. Looked like a restoration in-progress, but it > was >> dark. Anyone on the list? Nick? I'm jealous. > > Oh you must be referring to the endless maintenance pit at 428 University? > Nope, no new additions to this driveway for a while now. > Nick [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jan 25 21:19:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0Q2JeP14535 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:19:40 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:19:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200201260219.g0Q2JeU14531@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sightings in LG Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ahh cool - nice address! Maybe we'll have to set up a LG beer/burger/sushi night (to provide some competition to the east bay dim sum runs)! Shannon On Friday, January 25, 2002, at 05:34 PM, Jeff Rogers wrote: > > > I'm moving in across the street, 14 W Main St. > > > > on 1/25/02 4:33 PM, Shannon Holland at holland@loser.net wrote: > >> [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jan 25 21:36:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0Q2aBG14636 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:36:11 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:36:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200201260236.g0Q2aBS14632@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: Sightings in LG Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sounds like an idea to me. How about the end of next week? Thursday? Where? on 1/25/02 6:19 PM, Shannon Holland at holland@loser.net wrote: > > Ahh cool - nice address! > > Maybe we'll have to set up a LG beer/burger/sushi night (to provide some > competition to the east bay dim sum runs)! > > Shannon > > On Friday, January 25, 2002, at 05:34 PM, Jeff Rogers wrote: [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Jan 26 00:26:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0Q5QEY16382 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 00:26:14 -0500 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 00:26:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200201260526.g0Q5QD916378@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sightings in LG Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Friday, January 25, 2002, at 06:36 PM, Jeff Rogers wrote: > Sounds like an idea to me. How about the end of next week? Thursday? > Where? > Thursday works for me, Wednesday would work as well (might be a bit better, but it doesn't really matter). Where? Hmmm, there's the sushi place on Nth Santa Cruz that's really good. CB Hannigans has good beer and burgers, etc, the brewery has good beer and food, but more expensive and a definite taste of snobbery! Lots of choices! Shannon From bens Sat Jan 26 02:14:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0Q7ELZ17007 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 02:14:21 -0500 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 02:14:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200201260714.g0Q7EL417003@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: DB-7 (Re: Non-Rover sighting) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I agree with the others. No other car has excited me that way that one does. I know, I've read comparison tests in which it's bettered all 'round by the much less expensive and largely similar Jag, not to mention other marques. But nothing else stirs my soul as that one does. Except an old DB-4GT Zagato, of course. I have seen only one DB-7 on the road. It was headed the other way on the freeway in Santa Rosa. I was all jittery for several hours afterwards. Really! Of course, it was British Racing Green, as a proper Aston should be. I don't expect that I can ever aspire to even a well used one but that's okay. Maybe, when the new, smaller Jaguar F-type comes out and then gets long in the tooth, I can hope for a replacement to my late, lamented, long-gone XK-150. Granny > I saw an Aston Martin DB 7 on the road yesterday. Mmmmm. That is the > first sports car I've seen in a while that really excited me. Alas, the > sticker is a bit shocking at $150K. From bens Sat Jan 26 02:38:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0Q7c5217129 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 02:38:05 -0500 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 02:38:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200201260738.g0Q7c5M17125@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Rob Modica To: Mendo_Recce Subject: RE: Rich's 60' 109SW Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rich; Getting a case of "roveritis" I see. Nice find. BTW -- I've been meaning to ask for some time now. What is the VIN of your 60' 109 SW? Are we close cousins? Rob Arizona Land Rover Owners Rob Modica '51 Series I 80" 16136629 Tucson AZ '60 Series II 109" 16400620 rmodica@pimacc.pima.edu '94 Disco 5 spd A Land Rover owner/driver since 1973 From bens Sat Jan 26 02:53:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0Q7rw217205 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 02:53:58 -0500 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 02:53:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200201260753.g0Q7rwd17201@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Non-Rover sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Speaking of super nice sport cars on road, yesterday I spotted a BMW Z8 when I parked to get a new software title. Very nice car, and also about 150-175k. And for the ultimate in beautiful rare cars, I'll take a Bugatti Type 57s Atlantic. Ohhhhhh momma, what nice car. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Sat Jan 26 04:33:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0Q9XbC17693 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 04:33:37 -0500 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 04:33:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200201260933.g0Q9Xbm17689@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: LR Disco production in serious trouble... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just catching word of this LR story... "Rumor has it British automotive company Land Rover risks shutdown cuz the company that supplies the chassis for its vehicles has gone bankrupt, and its administrators (KPMG) are asking for millions of pounds of "goodwill". 1,400 jobs possibly affected." http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_1759000/1759078.stm http://www.autonewseurope.com/stories114/landrover118.htm Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Sat Jan 26 06:02:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0QB2CI18083 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 06:02:12 -0500 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 06:02:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200201261102.g0QB2BM18079@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi" To: Subject: RE: Trips Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 25 lines filtered. ] I looked it up on the net. Very nice. Mehdi From bens Sat Jan 26 13:47:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0QIlbH20093 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:47:37 -0500 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:47:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200201261847.g0QIlbI20089@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Re: Non-Rover sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Chris Dow wrote: >I saw an Aston Martin DB 7 on the road yesterday. >Mmmmm. That is the first sports car I've seen in a >while that really excited me. Alas, the sticker is a >bit shocking at $150K. Rumor is the new Range Rover with the Aston Martin V12 will also cost around $150K. Keep your eyes open for a McLaren F1 on the Peninsula. I was at a Hillsborough Concours meeting at the "Candy Store" car club/car museum in Burlingame this week and one of the members just paid about $300K to make his $1M McLaren F1 street legal and plans to drive it to work (I've heard that Larry Ellison never drives his McLaren F1). Kevin Kelly From bens Sat Jan 26 16:10:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0QLAkD20788 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:10:46 -0500 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:10:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200201262110.g0QLAkV20784@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Non-Rover sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hmmm, Z8's are nice. Same 400 hp engine as the M5 in 2 seat roadster. Just what everyone needs. I passed one, not in Spot :-), this week headed up 280 to work. Sticker is right around $135,000. When they first came out SF BMW had one, behind velvet ropes no less, asking $235,000 and probably got close to that. They available new in NY for sticker now. Bruce Jason Pipes wrote: > Speaking of super nice sport cars on road, yesterday I spotted a BMW Z8 when > I parked to get a new software title. Very nice car, and also about 150-175k. > > And for the ultimate in beautiful rare cars, I'll take a Bugatti Type 57s > Atlantic. Ohhhhhh momma, what nice car. > > Jason Pipes > jpipes@feldgrau.com > www.feldgrau.com [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Jan 26 16:28:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0QLS1d20870 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:28:01 -0500 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:28:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200201262128.g0QLS1n20866@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Non-Rover sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "Bruce R. Bonar" wrote: > They available new in NY for sticker now. This sentance is a good indication of why I should be home relaxing and not here at work attempting to write a coherent, logical, missive to psuedo important people at quasi governmental agencies. Bruce ( of course if I were working and not reading mendo mail I might be done working and home relaxing) From bens Sat Jan 26 20:36:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0R1aD422096 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:36:13 -0500 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:36:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200201270136.g0R1aDm22092@minbar.fourfold.org> From: JoeSmo To: mendo_list , rover_list Subject: smiths volt gauge Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I acquired a used smiths volt gauge and would like to know if there is any special way to connect it. I have a tendency to set smiths gauges incorrectly and would like to avoid it this time. The gauge has two spades on the back and are common to each other it also has a center threaded post for mounting. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you Joe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From bens Sun Jan 27 00:39:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0R5dpZ24333 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:39:51 -0500 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:39:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200201270539.g0R5dpl24329@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "G. Mugele" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: BMW Z8s (was Non-Rover sighting) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 4:10 PM -0500 1/26/02, Bruce R. Bonar wrote: >Hmmm, Z8's are nice. Same 400 hp engine as the M5 in 2 seat roadster. Just >what everyone needs. I passed one, not in Spot :-), this week >headed up 280 to >work. Sticker is right around $135,000. Interestingly enough there seems to be one hanging around the Sonoma Mission Inn every weekend, a different one each week. The one there this weekend is a sort of pearl silver color and has Nebraska plates !! And in an odd convergence, there is a Series III 88 sitting at Shamrock Service in Glen Ellen also wearing Nebraska plates. Is there something going on the in the midwest? Do you suppose there might be a warehouse in Lincoln or Omaha full of XK SSs (street legal version of the D Jag) and Aston Martin Volantes? Gerry From bens Sun Jan 27 01:06:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0R66ar24496 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 01:06:36 -0500 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 01:06:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200201270606.g0R66a324492@minbar.fourfold.org> From: FHY To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: BMW Z8s (was Non-Rover sighting) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A friend of mine from Canada (auto journalist) was invited to test the Z8 at the release in LA. Besides putting them up for the drive, BMW gave them a bunch of goodies too. He was told that all the Z8 were already presold and BMW was just doing this for publicity reasons. Apparently dealers placed "sold" orders so they could be resold at huge markups because BMW frowned on dealers selling at inflated prices. With the dotcom demise, many of the "sold" became "unsold." Kelly mentioned the F1. My friend was allowed to take a test drive in England. He said it is the best sports car he has driven (and he's driven quite a lot). Semi-humorous tale re Aston Martin. I vividly remember this scene. My brother came home and said it was the first time he saw a grown man cry. (This was a time when real men did not cry!!!) His friend had invited my brother to go with him to pick up a DB5 and while being unloaded off the ship, the ropes broke and the car fell - severely damaged. Frank From bens Sun Jan 27 12:15:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0RHFdL27567 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:15:39 -0500 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:15:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200201271715.g0RHFdi27563@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: smiths volt gauge Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Joe, Why do you say the terminals are common? Are they plug on terminals about 1/4 inch? There should be one for + and one for - . Or have you figured it out using the advice given on the LRO? Bob B At 05:36 PM 1/26/2002, you wrote: >I acquired a used smiths volt gauge and would like to >know if there is any special way to connect it. I have >a tendency to set smiths gauges incorrectly and would >like to avoid it this time. The gauge has two spades >on the back and are common to each other it also has a >center threaded post for mounting. Any help would be >appreciated. > >Thank you [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Jan 27 14:39:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0RJdvd28292 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:39:57 -0500 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:39:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200201271939.g0RJdu528288@minbar.fourfold.org> From: jory@org.org To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: missed connections: red land rover from utah Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org saw this on craigslist. felt i had to help someone out here. :) http://www.craigslist.org/sfo/mis/2741260.html From bens Sun Jan 27 15:10:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0RKAFv28462 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:10:15 -0500 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:10:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200201272010.g0RKAFC28458@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Ben? is Mendo still up? or have I just been dropped? please re-sub me thanx! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ben, for some reason, I have not been getting mendo for weeks and would like to be re-subbed as I have been getting serious withdrawels I have been solving that with working on The African and Elgie, but miss rover contact. Paul Archibald paarch@onemain.com androbus@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From bens Sun Jan 27 19:51:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0S0pXI29835 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:51:33 -0500 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:51:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200201280051.g0S0pWR29831@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: dipstick Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Joe, I was out in the shop just now, and remembered you had a question about the older dipstick tube. I do have one in one of my extra engines. It is the two piece tube. Do you also need the dipstick, or just the measurement of the dipstick to see if you have the right dipstick? Bob B At 07:51 AM 1/1/2002, you wrote: >Happy New Year > >I have a series II block in my IIA and am in need of >the unit that screws into the block to secure the >engine oil dipstick. I believe it is a multi piece >unit and I think I have the lower piece. Also can >anyone give me information on the length of the >dipstick and its tube? I am not sure if the PO was >using the correct one. [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Jan 27 22:20:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0S3Knv30660 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:20:49 -0500 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:20:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200201280320.g0S3Km830656@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Sightings and questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, I saw a white, (duh) 93 Defender 110 in Saratoga on Farwell at 1:30 today (Sunday). My wife said "oooooh a 110, look dear" I guess the brain washing is working. :^ ) Need to replace the tyres on the 109. I'd like the best compromise in the following in order: 1. long wear 2. low to no noise (I'm almost deaf from the Hi-Miler Xtra Grips) 3. good 4x4 capability or to 1 & 2 cancel out 3? ;^ ) Never mind, how about being able to talk to my friends when we're driving and still being able to 4x4. I have no idea what might be wrong with my 109 because all I hear is WA! WA! WA! WA! Think of all the new "projects" I'll have to fix as soon as I can hear all the noises she makes :^ ) If anyone is running Goodyear bias ply Hi-Miler Xtra Grips made in Morocco, My spare is in great shape and is free to anyone that wants it. As always, thanks to all! Keith 69 Series IIa 109 97 Discovery XD From bens Sun Jan 27 23:07:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0S47ls30901 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:07:47 -0500 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:07:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200201280407.g0S47lZ30897@minbar.fourfold.org> From: aaron To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: sightings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ 23 lines filtered. ] In Santa Maria I saw a series 2a 109 sw in a used car lot. The lot was closed so no price. Looks to be in good condition, no holes in the bulkhead or frame. There was also an Austin Healey and a Moriis Minor on the lot, so I'm sure they know what they have. Slo Motors 423 N Broadway Santa Maria, CA 93454 (805) 739-2720 Aaron 69 88 in a thousand pieces From bens Sun Jan 27 23:31:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0S4VVX31028 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:31:31 -0500 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:31:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200201280431.g0S4VVO31024@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi" To: Subject: RE: Sightings and questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 38 lines filtered. ] go for BFG all train 235/85/16. From bens Mon Jan 28 02:16:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0S7GuR00450 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 02:16:56 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 02:16:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200201280716.g0S7GtT00446@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: opps... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, I was surfin the web for LR stuff and decided to go to www.lroi.com to check out the Land Rover Owner International Magazine... the page says you'll be re-directed in 10..9..8... next thing I new I was at Hustler's porn site! I had to quit the web browser as I received a new page for everyone I closed. The Land Rover magazine is at: http://www.lromagazine.com/ The funny thing is I was looking for the next LRO show in England and got different show. Surf safely, Keith 69 Series IIa 109 97 Disco XD From bens Mon Jan 28 05:12:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0SACTL01290 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 05:12:29 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 05:12:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200201281012.g0SACSq01286@minbar.fourfold.org> From: SFmms@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: LR Sighting in Woodland Hills Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org While waiting in my SIII to pull out of my company's parking lot in Woodland Hills (southwestern end of the San Fernando Valley) this week, I saw a red American pickup truck pulling a gooseneck trailer carrying three vehicles. The first vehicle was a light green Series 109 Land rover with a limestone Safari hardtop. By the time I pulled into the street he was gone and I presumed he headed for a freeway onramp as he just seemed to disappear. Anyone on the list? Karen Sindir From bens Mon Jan 28 12:54:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0SHslE03687 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:54:47 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:54:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200201281754.g0SHslO03683@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Snowing in Davis Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It is currently snowing pretty hard in Davis. It is starting to stick to fences, and groundcover. -Rob From bens Mon Jan 28 12:58:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0SHwVL03723 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:58:31 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:58:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200201281758.g0SHwVb03719@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Corina Stenwick" To: Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #649 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mendo_Recce digest:" To: Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 11:17 PM Subject: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #649 > > Mendo_Recce digest: Monday, January 28 2002 Volume 02 : Number 649 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:39:51 -0500 > From: "G. Mugele" > Subject: BMW Z8s (was Non-Rover sighting) [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Just > >what everyone needs. I passed one, not in Spot :-), this week > >headed up 280 to > >work. Sticker is right around $135,000. > > Interestingly enough there seems to be one hanging around the Sonoma > Mission Inn every weekend, a different one each week. The one there > this weekend is a sort of pearl silver color and has Nebraska plates > !! > [ 78 additional quoted lines pruned. ] re-sub me thanx! > > Ben, > for some reason, I have not been getting mendo for weeks > and would like to be re-subbed as I have been getting > serious withdrawels > > I have been solving that with working on The African and > Elgie, but miss rover contact. > [ 17 additional quoted lines pruned. ] the > older dipstick tube. > > I do have one in one of my extra engines. It is the two piece tube. > Do you also need the dipstick, or just the measurement of the dipstick to > see if you have the right dipstick? > > Bob B > > At 07:51 AM 1/1/2002, you wrote: [ 109 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Jan 28 12:58:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0SHwe503737 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:58:40 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:58:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200201281758.g0SHwe403733@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Stenwick" To: Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #649 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A friend of mine bought a Z8 a few months ago. He bought it in Germany to save some money. He had to have it shipped to LA to get it smogged in California then he tried to get it licensed. He then found out that many years ago when a lot of people were buying cars in Europe and driving them around and then bringing them back, the California Automobile Dealers Association, pressured (or bribed) their congressemen to pass a law that you cannot register a new car in California purchased over seas unless and until it is at least two years old. We are the only state in the USA to have such a law. Luckily he has a relative in Nevada so he could register it there until it ages a bit. Bill Stenwick Graeagle, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mendo_Recce digest:" To: Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 11:17 PM Subject: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #649 > > Mendo_Recce digest: Monday, January 28 2002 Volume 02 : Number 649 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:39:51 -0500 > From: "G. Mugele" > Subject: BMW Z8s (was Non-Rover sighting) [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Just > >what everyone needs. I passed one, not in Spot :-), this week > >headed up 280 to > >work. Sticker is right around $135,000. > > Interestingly enough there seems to be one hanging around the Sonoma > Mission Inn every weekend, a different one each week. The one there > this weekend is a sort of pearl silver color and has Nebraska plates > !! > [ 78 additional quoted lines pruned. ] re-sub me thanx! > > Ben, > for some reason, I have not been getting mendo for weeks > and would like to be re-subbed as I have been getting > serious withdrawels > > I have been solving that with working on The African and > Elgie, but miss rover contact. > [ 17 additional quoted lines pruned. ] the > older dipstick tube. > > I do have one in one of my extra engines. It is the two piece tube. > Do you also need the dipstick, or just the measurement of the dipstick to > see if you have the right dipstick? > > Bob B > > At 07:51 AM 1/1/2002, you wrote: [ 109 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Jan 28 13:13:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0SIDjl03855 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:13:45 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:13:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200201281813.g0SIDj003851@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Snowing in Davis Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org they are plowing the roads up here :) TomW > > It is currently snowing pretty hard in Davis. It is starting to stick to > fences, and groundcover. > > -Rob > > *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Mon Jan 28 13:41:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0SIfVi03995 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:41:31 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:41:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200201281841.g0SIfVE03991@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Snowing in Davis Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....It is starting to stick to fences, and groundcover...." Ground cover....that's the tarp that is supposed to cover the engine of the land rover because the bonnet is off, but blew off in the wind? -Dave - hillbilly - G. From bens Mon Jan 28 14:56:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0SJup704401 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:56:51 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:56:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200201281956.g0SJup204397@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Snowing in Davis Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yup! it's snowing in Paradise too!! A ninch already. Bob B At 10:41 AM 1/28/2002, you wrote: >"....It is starting to stick to fences, and groundcover...." From bens Mon Jan 28 16:12:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0SLCUP04821 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:12:30 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:12:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200201282112.g0SLCT604817@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Snowing in Davis Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bob, Is that some sort of obscure English measurement? > > Yup! it's snowing in Paradise too!! A ninch already. > > Bob B > > At 10:41 AM 1/28/2002, you wrote: > > >"....It is starting to stick to fences, and groundcover...." > [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens Mon Jan 28 16:39:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0SLdOo04945 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:39:24 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:39:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200201282139.g0SLdNM04941@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Getting deeper in Paradise was RE: Snowing in Davis Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Oh well, it looks like the grammar gremlin moved a space before I hit send. Also since then it has snowed a ninch and a half more. So now it's two and one half inches. ;^) Bob B At 01:12 PM 1/28/2002, you wrote: >Bob, >Is that some sort of obscure English measurement? > > > > > Yup! it's snowing in Paradise too!! A ninch already. > > > > Bob B > > > > At 10:41 AM 1/28/2002, you wrote: [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Jan 28 16:44:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0SLioJ04987 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:44:50 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:44:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200201282144.g0SLioG04983@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eugene H. Simpson III" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Getting deeper in Paradise was RE: Snowing in Davis Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org <"a ninch" Sounds like a British measurement (Whitworth mebbe?). From bens Mon Jan 28 16:52:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0SLqsw05070 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:52:54 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:52:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200201282152.g0SLqsO05066@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Nick Baggarly" To: Subject: Re: Getting deeper in Paradise was RE: Snowing in Davis Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I just took a drive up Bear Creek Road. It's snowing above 600' with some spectacular scenes. Rain is causing snow to fall from the trees and the sun is beginning to come through. Somewhere off of Upper Zyante road there's a Llama farm. They looked like they were enjoying the weather too. At least three ninches up there :-) Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob & Sue Bernard" > Oh well, it looks like the grammar gremlin moved a space before I hit send. > Also since then it has snowed a ninch and a half more. So now it's two and > one half inches. ;^) > Bob B From bens Mon Jan 28 22:52:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0T3qjU06897 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:52:45 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:52:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200201290352.g0T3qik06893@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Front Bumpers/Bull bars/Winch bumpers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I am considering spending my Restoration Credit from RN on a new bumper for the RR. Any comments on bumpers, such as ARB, ZBAR, Safari Gard, or any others? I would prefer that it easily accept a winch, not that the RR has one, but it will eventually.... -Rob P.S. When rewiring a truck always run wires for a trailer even if you never intend to trailer. Stupid me forgot trailer wires, and now I have to open up some of my beautiful wiring to make connections. From bens Tue Jan 29 01:05:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0T65mm08631 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 01:05:48 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 01:05:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200201290605.g0T65lX08627@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hope Peter" To: Subject: Wiring Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > P.S. When rewiring a truck always run wires for a trailer even if you never > intend to trailer. Stupid me forgot trailer wires, and now I have to open > up some of my beautiful wiring to make connections. > Also run wires for rear work lights, 12v power, and electric trailer brakes. :-) Pete From bens Tue Jan 29 01:27:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0T6RiB08739 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 01:27:44 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 01:27:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200201290627.g0T6Ri908735@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Rick Larson" To: Subject: Re: Sightings in LG Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > Rick Larson - Clearwater Networks parking lot, off Knowles. Is that where > you're working Rick? I'm right across the street now. Not the D90, it isn't running. But I am working at Clearwater this week. But probably not much longer. Sad, I like the 1.5 mile commute. -Rick From bens Tue Jan 29 02:18:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0T7IkA08964 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 02:18:46 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 02:18:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200201290718.g0T7Ikb08960@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Biophilian@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Front Bumpers/Bull bars/Winch bumpers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rob, I've been happy with my ARB on the RR. It has taken some hard hits without bending, and the finish seems pretty durable. I know nothing about Zbars, except what I've seen in the RN catalog--they do look comparable to ARB's. I've heard that SG products occasionally require some mods for proper fit, but I don't know for certain about their bumpers. From the looks, they may have a slightly better approach angle. I installed the ARB alone without a jack and everything lined up perfectly right down to the last bolt hole. If you're adding a winch later, be prepared to pull the bumper/bar to fit the winch, then re-install it as one piece. This really is no big deal, but thought you might want to be aware. The hardest part is removing the old airdam and bumper. Cheers, Kevan In a message dated 1/28/02 6:30:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, kerner@vegmail.ucdavis.edu writes: << Any comments on bumpers, such as ARB, ZBAR, Safari Gard, or any others? I would prefer that it easily accept a winch, not that the RR has one, but it will eventually.... -Rob >> From bens Tue Jan 29 03:47:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0T8lvM09353 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 03:47:57 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 03:47:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200201290847.g0T8lvs09349@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: 109 on Ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org There's a Station Wagon for sale in Alamo, CA. If anyone is curious about it, it's on Ebay. Item # 601386259. Mo ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 From bens Tue Jan 29 12:06:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0TH6tm11893 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:06:55 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:06:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200201291706.g0TH6tg11889@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Getting deeper in Paradise was RE: Snowing in Davis Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, Well it's only 25 degrees out there this AM, Happily this doesn't happen more than once or twice during a winter. The snow only added up to 3-4 inches. Some years we get 6-8 inch storms. Usually melt in a day or three. A few rare times we have had 18-24 inches. We're at about 1800 ft. In the Sierra foothills. The snow was beautiful in the moonlight last night. Because it was so cold last night, it will probably last a bit longer this time. I'm getting around pretty ok now (new hip 6 weeks ago) I even drove the pickup sunday. So today we will take either Sherman or Olivia for a drive to the store. BTW, I figured out where the ninches came from in yesterday's email, I had just reread a mail from Gerry Mugele, and the infamous Mugull spell checker must have come along for the ride just to help me. Bob B At 01:52 PM 1/28/2002, you wrote: >I just took a drive up Bear Creek Road. It's snowing above 600' with some >spectacular scenes. Rain is causing snow to fall from the trees and the sun >is beginning to come through. Somewhere off of Upper Zyante road there's a >Llama farm. They looked like they were enjoying the weather too. At least >three ninches up there :-) > >Nick From bens Tue Jan 29 13:57:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0TIvof12612 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:57:50 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:57:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200201291857.g0TIvoQ12608@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Stenwick" To: "Mendo Recce Digest" Subject: Land Rover UK Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 21 lines filtered. ] charset="Windows-1252" Does anybody know if Land Rover UK has an e-mail address where an owner = can ask the engineering department why they did things like put 18" = wheels on the 2002 Discovery, when nobody makes a good off road tire in = that size? Bill Stenwick Graeagle, CA From bens Tue Jan 29 14:27:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0TJRf312763 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:27:41 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:27:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200201291927.g0TJRfM12759@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Land Rover UK Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...why they did things like put 18" wheels on the 2002 Discovery, when nobody makes a good off road tire...." Or more to the point, why a prospective buyer who wanted a vehicle for the kind of off-road use that would require tire modifications would drop nearly $40k on a vehicle that is unsuitable for same..... Sorry....I'm too grumpy today...I'll shut up. :^( -Dave G. PS - off-road treads area available for 18" wheels...but the ones that are likely won't fit in the DII's wheel wells. From bens Tue Jan 29 14:29:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0TJTPp12777 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:29:25 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:29:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200201291929.g0TJTOD12773@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Land Rover UK Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Stenwick wrote: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; ] > [ 21 lines filtered. ] > > charset="Windows-1252" > > Does anybody know if Land Rover UK has an e-mail address where an owner = > can ask the engineering department why they did things like put 18" = [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] I bet that was because the 18" wheel and tire combo is percived to provide better handling by the customers. Can you swap they wheels with the 16 inchers found on earlier disco IIs and 95- on Range Rover 4.0s? As an aside, an aquaintance of mine who worked at Land Rover's proving ground in Phoenix (before they moved to California) said when the RR Mk II came out, it was the first Land Rover whose wheel bolt pattern was different than all the other Land Rovers all the way back to the Series I. He asked one of the Rover engineers why they did that, and the answer was the wheels and hubs were cheaper. From bens Tue Jan 29 14:37:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0TJbBO12846 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:37:11 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:37:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200201291937.g0TJbAk12842@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Young To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Getting deeper in Paradise was RE: Snowing in Davis Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > <"a ninch" > > Sounds like a British measurement (Whitworth mebbe?). Close. A "ninch" is a colloquial conjugation of the oft used Cockney term "not-a-inch" - meaning a distance or measurement of close-to but less-than one inch. Cockney Land Rover mechanics can be heard using this term when aligning motor mounts, straightening bent bumpers, etc. As in, "It's within a ninch - go ahead and bolt 'er down." A "ninch" is the generally accepted degree of tolerance for body panel alignment, frame alignment, wheel warp, and, of course, main bearing slop (for that true diesel sound in a petrol motor). Quite so, the "ninch" is an important term. Genuine Land Rover Shop Manuals(tm) list critical tolerances in whole number ninch multiples, except in NAS shop manuals. Those manuals list thousandths and other ridiculously fine measurements simply as a good-natured joke on the Yanks. It's all in good fun, and reportedly the Yanks enjoy spending countless hours attempting Land Rover reassembly using tolerances actually less than a ninch! Cheers, Mates! -John Young From bens Tue Jan 29 14:49:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0TJnRn12898 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:49:27 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:49:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200201291949.g0TJnRX12894@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Young To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: BMW / Z8 / German Delivery Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > A friend of mine bought a Z8 a few months ago. He bought it in Germany to > save some money. He had to have it shipped to LA to get it smogged in > California then he tried to get it licensed. He then found out that many > years ago when a lot of people were buying cars in Europe and driving them > around and then bringing them back, the California Automobile Dealers > Association, pressured (or bribed) their congressemen to pass a law that you > cannot register a new car in California purchased over seas unless and until > it is at least two years old. We are the only state in the USA to have such > a law. Luckily he has a relative in Nevada so he could register it there [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] I think it's the smog compliance part of that which matters. Currently, one can easily purchase a *California*-spec BMW for German delivery. A close friend of mine has a 540 sitting in Germany right now for it's 90-day wait (to qualify as a used car coming into California to save on taxes). She went to Germany in November, drove the car around for a couple of weeks, then left it there in storage. There are dealers in California that facilitate this, and the tax savings covers the shipping and your vacation in Germany, from what I understand - all provided you don't mind waiting 90 days. Again, though, I'm fairly positive the 90 day deal only applies to cars that qualify for being shipped to California in the first place. I guess many on this list know this already, however. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if the Z8 isn't easily obtainable in a California compliant configuration. There is a Nevada plate Z8 that often parks around Pacific and Montgomery in San Francisco. I think it even has a handicap parking tag. Nice design. -John Young From bens Tue Jan 29 14:56:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0TJuFB12951 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:56:15 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:56:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200201291956.g0TJuF412947@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Schoenman" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cc: eric.schoenman@lycos.com Subject: 1988 RR Oil idiot light/Gauge retrofit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've been having problems with my oil idiot light flashing on and off for the last few years. I changed the pressure sensor back when it first happened, but that didn't fix it. Then I read somewhere that the logic box is a common point of failure. But, I found out they were $300+. So I decided to live with the random blinky light. I was going to pull the bulb in the dash, but decided that it works some of the time, and as long as it doesn't stay on too long, things are OK. But this past weekend put me over the edge. I couldn't take it any more. First plan was to shell out the $350, but then discovered that for about $100 I could get a real VDO oil pressure gauge (plus a volt meter for another $30). Anyone on the list ever do this retrofit? It looks pretty straight forward except for the size threads for the pressure sender. The guy at the instrument shop thought it was a 1/4" NPT. Also, I'm in digest mode so if you have any info, sent it to me off list at eric.sch oenman@lycos.com. Thanks, Eric From bens Tue Jan 29 15:38:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0TKcwO13182 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:38:58 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:38:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200201292038.g0TKcvQ13178@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "jeanne chung" To: "Mendo" Subject: 110 Td5 for sale ... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org lately you all have been discussing various market clearing prices for different rovers ... thought i would add this into the mix ... http://www.motorcities.com/contents/01FMB551237673.html it's a beauty but be sure you are sitting down when you see the asking price ... ================= jeanne chung (415)652-8922 jeanne@alum.mit.edu From bens Tue Jan 29 15:52:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0TKqFH13302 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:52:15 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:52:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200201292052.g0TKqE513298@minbar.fourfold.org> From: FHY To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 110 Td5 for sale ... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Is that US dollars? -------------------------------- jeanne chung wrote: >.. >it's a beauty but be sure you are sitting down when you see the asking price >... > From bens Tue Jan 29 15:59:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0TKx3I13339 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:59:03 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:59:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200201292059.g0TKx2913335@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Outdoor Sports and Boat Show (No LR Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, Is anyone interested in going to the show? I was thinking about leaving work early and going Friday or early Saturday morning. San Mateo International Sportsmen's Exposition San Mateo County Expo Center San Mateo, CA JANUARY 31 - FEBRUARY 4, 2001 Keith From bens Tue Jan 29 15:59:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0TKxMB13352 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:59:22 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:59:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200201292059.g0TKxLQ13348@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Tread patterns Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I ran across this site yesterday. Best treatment of the subject matter I've seen. It is out of SA though, so some might not be common here. http://www.fourwheeler.co.za/Forward/tiretreads.htm Enjoy, -Dave G. From bens Tue Jan 29 16:15:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0TLF7W13534 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:15:07 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:15:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200201292115.g0TLF7g13530@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 110 Td5 for sale ... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Looks like it's in Utah, so I assume it's US $... Those trucks can be had for like what, less than $20,000 US in the UK?!? And they aren't even rare like NAS 110s... wow. jpipes >Is that US dollars? > >-------------------------------- > >jeanne chung wrote: > >>.. >>it's a beauty but be sure you are sitting down when you see the asking price >>... [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Jan 29 22:13:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0U3DIC15363 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:13:18 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:13:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200201300313.g0U3DHY15359@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher Dow" To: Subject: RE: 110 Td5 for sale ... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 22 lines filtered. ] OK, based on that price, I'm reducing the asking price for Guildenstern to %99,999.99 (US), since it's a lot more common (in the US) than a Td5 110 crew cab with alloy wheels. C From bens Wed Jan 30 00:36:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0U5aWG17215 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 00:36:32 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 00:36:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200201300536.g0U5aWJ17211@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: Land Rover UK Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bill Stenwick wrote: > Does anybody know if Land Rover UK has an e-mail address where an owner = > can ask the engineering department why they did things like put 18" = > wheels on the 2002 Discovery, when nobody makes a good off road tire in = > that size? BMW Granny (who must confess to owning a BMW) (and a Ford) From bens Wed Jan 30 00:42:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0U5geJ17250 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 00:42:40 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 00:42:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200201300542.g0U5geQ17246@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hope Peter" To: Subject: Re: 110 Td5 for sale ... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I had recently been told that the EPA had said "no" to the TDIs and basically told ECR and the like no more conversions. Anyone else? Pete From bens Wed Jan 30 01:01:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0U61CB17371 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 01:01:12 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 01:01:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200201300601.g0U61CG17367@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: Tread patterns Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks for that cool link, Dave. Speaking of tire treads, I have seen a pickup near my office lately with a new pattern of Cooper Discoverer (I believe it was ST, no not STT). Looked like kind of a cross between the BFG AT KO and Big O Big Foot XT. I just found it on the web. It's actually S/T. Judging from the sizes available, I'd say it's intended, in part, to replace the CTD (which it cannot do!). URL is http://www.coopertires.com/tire_cooper/ltsuv.asp?id=190 BTW, the website *still* shows the CTD available. I noticed, too, in the latest issue of LRO, that vendors in the UK are still selling Trac Edges. And XCLs. Granny From bens Wed Jan 30 01:09:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0U69qX17412 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 01:09:52 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 01:09:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200201300609.g0U69qL17408@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: 110 Td5 for sale ... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Judging from the wonky-wavy bodywork (whaddya 'spect for a measly $139K?), I'm betting it's a much reworked 109 of yore and registered as such, allowing the TD5 engine because it's smog exempt. > I had recently been told that the EPA had said "no" to the TDIs and > basically told ECR and the like no more conversions. A friend of mine has a 109 that looks a lot like a Defender (at a long distance) and was about to get a Tdi installed last time I spoke with him. Cheers, Granny From bens Wed Jan 30 02:32:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0U7WXq17874 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 02:32:33 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 02:32:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200201300732.g0U7WXC17870@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher H. Dow" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 110 Td5 for sale ... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Granville Pool wrote: >8< > >A friend of mine has a 109 that looks a lot like a Defender (at a long >distance) and was about to get a Tdi installed last time I spoke with him. >8< > That's funny. A friend of mine has a 109 that looks a lot like a 101FC at a long distance ;-)· C From bens Wed Jan 30 03:02:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0U82Qh18007 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 03:02:26 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 03:02:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200201300802.g0U82Qv18003@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Biophilian@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 110 Td5 for sale ... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I heard the same, although regarding the 300 tdi conversion I had hoped for. Seems it hasn't been emission certified in The States. As I was told, the Swiss (with similar emissions requirements) have approved it, but LR has not pushed approval in the US because we are a "V-8 market." Kevan << I had recently been told that the EPA had said "no" to the TDIs and basically told ECR and the like no more conversions. Anyone else? Pete >> From bens Wed Jan 30 03:06:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0U86Pm18040 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 03:06:25 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 03:06:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200201300806.g0U86Pd18036@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Biophilian@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Tread patterns Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I just saw a stack of these taller than me in my mechanic's shop--all spoken for, unfortunately :-( << I noticed, too, in the latest issue of LRO, that vendors in the UK are still selling Trac Edges. >> From bens Wed Jan 30 03:44:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0U8i8c18196 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 03:44:08 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 03:44:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200201300844.g0U8i7018192@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Ogilvie" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 110 Td5 for sale ... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The 300tdi meets all EU requirements for diesel engines up though 2005 or whenever the next round of tighter rules go into effect. The TD5 was brought on line not because of emissions regulations but because Rover felt it was a better engine and it was ready to go. EU was late in getting on the emissions bandwagon but their current specs. are equal to the US regs. Doubt that the 300tdi would be banned because of emissions 'cause I believe US specs on diesels are actually less restrictive than the EU, at the present. The Defender isn't imported because of Safety Reg's, airbags among otheres, not epa requirements. Aloha Peter O. >From: Biophilian@aol.com >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: 110 Td5 for sale ... >Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 03:02:26 -0500 > >I heard the same, although regarding the 300 tdi conversion I had hoped >for. >Seems it hasn't been emission certified in The States. As I was told, the [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Wed Jan 30 12:18:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0UHIKY20889 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:18:20 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:18:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200201301718.g0UHIKG20885@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 110 Td5 for sale ... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200201300844.g0U8i7018192@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > Doubt that the 300tdi would be banned because of emissions 'cause I believe > US specs on diesels are actually less restrictive than the EU, at the > present. I talked with the prior CEO of LRNA about this at their 50th event in Lanham in 1998. What he said to me was that to certify an engine with the EPA and each of 50 states costs about $5 million. (My memory of the number is shaky, I do know that it was more than $2 million). Due to that cost and that they didn't think that the diesel would be popular in the US they decided that it wasn't cost effective to certify that engine. Look at it from their point of view. If the cost is $5 million, if you spread that among 100,000 vehicles like with the Disco and RR that's a $50 per unit cost. With 3000 D90s it is an approx $1500 per unit cost. > The Defender isn't imported because of Safety Reg's, airbags among otheres, > not epa requirements. Correct (at least for now). Ben From bens Wed Jan 30 12:27:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0UHRif20952 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:27:44 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:27:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200201301727.g0UHRi220948@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Tread patterns Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org WOW thanks a ton Granny! I need a 255/85 for the G and decent tread patterns are scarce as hen's teeth in that size. Looks like I might try to find some of these S/Ts. Cooper has a good reputation for traction/longevity I'm looking for. -Dave G. From bens Wed Jan 30 13:39:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0UIdoY21490 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:39:50 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:39:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200201301839.g0UIdnf21486@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Captain camo Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 22 lines filtered. ] Granny and I took this off list for a bit, but I thought I'd share this for general entertainment value and in case anyone here remembers the trip as well. This fated encounter is the reason I own Land Rovers today. -Dave G. From bens Wed Jan 30 13:47:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0UIl7s21550 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:47:07 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:47:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200201301847.g0UIl7T21546@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Captain camo Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, that was crappy....lemme see if I can fool the major.... -Dave From bens Wed Jan 30 13:49:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0UInOb21566 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:49:24 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:49:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200201301849.g0UInOP21562@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Captain camo Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Let's see if this comes through..... (from Fred) We ran into him on the Mojave Trail in December of '92 or '93 between Christmas and New Year. If I remember correctly it was on the way to that box canyon where we ran into the major traffic jam a few years ago. I may have some pictures that I scanned into my computer at home. I remember that one of the pictures was of Ray and Lynn "mooning" us! I also remember that Dog Dick had a crate of tangerines that he was handing out to everyone on the trip. On that trip we camped in a well sheltered box canyon formed by a lava flow. There was a large cinder cone near by and Ray and Lynn decided that it would fun to discharge a few rounds from various weapons into an adjacent canyon. Lynn and Dog Dick really enjoyed it because they had knocked off a bottle or two of wine. When I get home tonight I'll try to find the photos. Fred From bens Wed Jan 30 13:59:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0UIxDH21622 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:59:13 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:59:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200201301859.g0UIxDr21618@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Clarke Williams To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 110 Td5 for sale ... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The 300 Tdi and TD5 aren't legal in the USA because LRNA never bothered to have them certified. Certification is pretty expensive and I guess LRNA decided that the market wasn't large enough to bother. But the LR turbo diesels are not legal in the US and a call or email to EPA will confirm it. clarke At 03:44 AM 1/30/02 -0500, you wrote: > >The 300tdi meets all EU requirements for diesel engines up though 2005 or >whenever the next round of tighter rules go into effect. The TD5 was >brought on line not because of emissions regulations but because Rover felt >it was a better engine and it was ready to go. EU was late in getting on >the emissions bandwagon but their current specs. are equal to the US regs. >Doubt that the 300tdi would be banned because of emissions 'cause I believe >US specs on diesels are actually less restrictive than the EU, at the >present. [ 23 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jan 30 14:10:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0UJAk721721 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:10:46 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:10:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200201301910.g0UJAki21717@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Freeman, Ben" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: e-mail address change- Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ben, please unsubscribe me under ben.freeman@weyerhaeuser.com and subscribe me under bfreeman@reachone.com Just triying to keep my personal stuff at home and Land ROver stuff at home and my work stuff at work only. Thank you.. From bens Wed Jan 30 14:36:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0UJadK21873 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:36:39 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:36:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200201301936.g0UJadQ21869@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Tread patterns Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "... http://www.coopertires.com/tire_cooper/ltsuv.asp?id=190 ..." Looking a little closer, these tires are marketed straight at my vehicle combination! There's no 7.50-16, but they do have: 235/85 for the 2A 245/75 or 215/85 for the Rangie 255/85 for the G Nothing to match the 6.00-16 for the 120, but that one's not rolling any time soon anyway. :^) Thanks again Granny! -Dave From bens Wed Jan 30 14:58:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0UJwZf22026 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:58:35 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:58:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200201301958.g0UJwZE22022@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hannaford, Morgan" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Tread Patterns Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cooper makes the 255-85-16 in both the S/T (an aggressive all-terrain design) and the STT (a mud lug design). Both are 8-ply tires. Expect ~40K miles from the Coopers. They don't wear as well as some BFGs I just bought 4 STT 255-85 for ~$160 each. The S/T is more expensive at $179 each. Dunlop and BFG Mud-Terrains are in 255-85 -Mo From bens Wed Jan 30 15:10:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0UKA7c22110 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:10:07 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:10:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200201302010.g0UKA6w22106@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Biophilian@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 110 Td5 for sale ... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yeah, what Clarke said.... In a message dated 1/30/02 9:30:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, clarkewilliams@halcyon.com writes: << The 300 Tdi and TD5 aren't legal in the USA because LRNA never bothered to have them certified. Certification is pretty expensive and I guess LRNA decided that the market wasn't large enough to bother. But the LR turbo diesels are not legal in the US and a call or email to EPA will confirm it >> From bens Wed Jan 30 15:24:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0UKOfj22203 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:24:41 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:24:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200201302024.g0UKOeW22199@minbar.fourfold.org> From: FHY To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 110 Td5 for sale ... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Clarke Williams wrote: >... But the LR turbo >diesels are not legal in the US and a call or email to EPA will confirm it. > Gee, I wonder if the purchasers/owners of those 2000-20001 tdi Defenders we see in California are aware of this? Frank From bens Wed Jan 30 15:39:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0UKdHn22294 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:39:17 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:39:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200201302039.g0UKdGh22290@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Ogilvie" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 110 Td5 for sale ... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The 300 tdi would meet requirements but, because it wasn't run through the hoops and lots of money wasted, it doesn't meet the LETTER of the law. Just one more example of how our wonderful regulatory apparatus actually works to hurt the environment in the name of protecting it. Manual transmissions will be the next casualty. As the demand drops for real truck accoutrements, it's not going to be worth it to certify manual transmissions and they will drop from sight. Look at all the major sedan manufacturers. Only place you can find a stick anymore is in the supposed 'performance' market and then you pay the price. It would seem to make sense to have an international auto certiifcation for emissions and anything else hurtful to the environment. Leave out bullbars, safety junk, and design differentials but certify things that get out into the world. That way, we who like diesels and other fuel efficient vehicles, would be able to find them as they would be economical to import. Fat chance of this happening as every nation likes to treat their auto industry as their particular sacred cow. Each country writes its laws to benefit its industry and hurt foreign competitors. A shame 'cause fuel efficiency with decent performance is a universal need throughout the world. Guess we'll just have to dream about building our one off 300tdi, D90 in our backyard. Aloha Peter Ogilvie >From: Benjamin Allan Smith >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: 110 Td5 for sale ... >Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:18:20 -0500 > >In message <200201300844.g0U8i7018192@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > > > Doubt that the 300tdi would be banned because of emissions 'cause I [ 25 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Wed Jan 30 16:06:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0UL6DU22488 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:06:13 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:06:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200201302106.g0UL6Dn22484@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Biophilian@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Folks Looking for a Classic... again Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ message/rfc822 ] [ 14 lines filtered. ] This was sent out to the PCRC list this morning, and I thought I'd forward it on to Mendo, given that these nice folks are mobile. Sad about their Rangie.... Kevan In a message dated 1/30/02 11:25:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, hoops@owt.com writes: Hello All, After only four months of very proud ownership my parents lost their '91 RR to an accident. It was in tow behind their motorcoach (remember the 109 support vehicle at the last Portland ABFM?) when another bus rear-ended them. Needless to say, a RR doesn't put up much of a fight when squashed between two 20 ton buses. At least they weren't in the RR at the time. The search is on again. They are looking for an immaculate Classic, preferably a '90 or '91. They are in Arizona now, but will be in San Diego next week and then will work their way towards Denver before heading back out to the Pacific Northwest. Obviously, they can travel to look at a promising truck. So if somebody has a cherished Ranger Rover that they need to part with, or know somebody who does, and want it to go to a good owner, give my dad a call at 303-618-4146. It'll be in very capable hands. Lonn Howard Pasco, WA X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Unsubscribe: List-URL: Hello All, After only four months of very proud ownership my parents lost their '91 RR to an accident. It was in tow behind their motorcoach (remember the 109 support vehicle at the last Portland ABFM?) when another bus rear-ended them. Needless to say, a RR doesn't put up much of a fight when squashed between two 20 ton buses. At least they weren't in the RR at the time. The search is on again. They are looking for an immaculate Classic, preferably a '90 or '91. They are in Arizona now, but will be in San Diego next week and then will work their way towards Denver before heading back out to the Pacific Northwest. Obviously, they can travel to look at a promising truck. So if somebody has a cherished Ranger Rover that they need to part with, or know somebody who does, and want it to go to a good owner, give my dad a call at 303-618-4146. It'll be in very capable hands. Lonn Howard Pasco, WA ---- This is the Pacific Coast Rover Club mailing list. To send a msg: To unsubscribe: From bens Wed Jan 30 16:50:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0ULo9f22745 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:50:09 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:50:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200201302150.g0ULo9l22741@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Ed Sanman To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: EPA & 300TDIs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have a copy of the EPA position on engine swaps. In a nutshell, they say you can't put ANY other engine in a vehicle unless the manufacturer certified that motor for that specific vehicle, period. But, that position is really aimed at the commercial folks like Rovers North and East Coast Rover who were doing it very boldly and even advertising the fact. The EPA is obviously concerned about the numbers of engine swaps that larger commercial enterprises could undertake. However, they certainly aren't going to have the means (or even care) about all the engine swaps that take place routinely all over the country. Your only concern there is, will it pass the local and state emission regs when you go license it? If you can get it thru your regional governments DEQ and get a registration, you've succeeded. Ed Sanman From bens Wed Jan 30 17:13:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0UMDce22859 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:13:38 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:13:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200201302213.g0UMDc722855@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: EPA & 300TDIs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...If you can get it thru your regional governments DEQ and get a registration, you've succeeded...." Yep. I think you're right, Ed. That is, for the types that are doing it themselves. If one is considering hiring it done, then they need to be aware that if the guy who's doing the swap gets too successful at it, the EPA may come after him and through his records....seize your vehicle. Chances of having any problem are admittedly slim, and vanishingly small if it's a DIY job. -Dave G. From bens Wed Jan 30 17:32:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0UMWSc22953 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:32:28 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:32:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200201302232.g0UMWSi22949@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" To: "'mendo'" Subject: ultimate machine.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org http://www.ultimatemachinecombat.com/ "Ultimate Machine Combat is all about cars and mayhem. Ultimate Machine Combat is the new show from the creators of TLC's >> Junkyard Wars and Channel 4's >> Scrapheap Challenge . It will test machines and drivers to the limits of their tolerances and beyond. That's where you come in. We are looking for the 30 most brilliant teams from around the world to engage in Ultimate Machine Combat. The format is simple and like all good games, the rules are too. Each week, three teams enter the arena but only one team lives to fight another day. Each team we choose will get 30 days and a pot of money to build the ultimate fighting vehicle. You will build it in your own backyard and then we will transport it to our secret arena where it will fight to survive the rigours of Ultimate Machine Combat. We will be giving you enough money to build a no-frills vehicle, but if you want to spend more, we won't try and stop you. You may even enlist extra help with the engineering, although only three of you will travel to the competition. Since this is the biggest, baddest motor-contest ever, we are looking for teams with exceptional skills, a passion for all things mechanical and a competitive streak that borders on the insane. The team must be able to fix, repair or jury-rig the vehicle in any way possible to get it working and at least one team member must have driving and racing experience. " I could think of several Mendo folks who could do a great job at this.... :-) Cheers, Gerry From bens Wed Jan 30 18:24:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0UNOpu23276 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:24:51 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:24:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200201302324.g0UNOo023272@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: LG Lunch or Dinner (was Sightings in LG) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org How about CB Hannigans tomorrow for lunch or an early dinner. Anyone interested? -->Jeff on 1/25/02 9:26 PM, Shannon Holland at holland@loser.net wrote: > > > On Friday, January 25, 2002, at 06:36 PM, Jeff Rogers wrote: > >> Sounds like an idea to me. How about the end of next week? Thursday? >> Where? >> > Thursday works for me, Wednesday would work as well (might be a bit > better, but it doesn't really matter). Where? Hmmm, there's the sushi [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jan 30 19:08:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0V08kS23494 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:08:46 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:08:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200201310008.g0V08j723490@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: LG Lunch or Dinner (was Sightings in LG) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This would be Friday, not Tonight??? TomW > > > How about CB Hannigans tomorrow for lunch or an early dinner. Anyone > interested? -->Jeff > > > > > on 1/25/02 9:26 PM, Shannon Holland at holland@loser.net wrote: [ 14 additional quoted lines pruned. ] *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Wed Jan 30 19:36:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0V0aJf23655 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:36:19 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:36:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200201310036.g0V0aJ723651@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: LG Lunch or Dinner (was Sightings in LG) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org My calendar says it's Wednesday the 30th, so I guess I was proposing Thursday the 31st at CB's. on 1/30/02 4:08 PM, Tom Walsh at tomw@fluentnet.com wrote: > > This would be Friday, not Tonight??? > > TomW >> >> >> How about CB Hannigans tomorrow for lunch or an early dinner. Anyone >> interested? -->Jeff >> [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jan 30 19:40:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0V0euV23694 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:40:56 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:40:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200201310040.g0V0eu923690@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: Sightings and questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org There is only one in Saratoga that I know of. It has tinted windows and belongs to a realtor that sells out of the Los Gatos Coldwell Banker office. He isn't too nice. Never says hello at stoplights. That's probably the guy if you saw the truck on Farwell. on 1/27/02 7:20 PM, Keith Shukait at shukait@mac.com wrote: > > All, > > I saw a white, (duh) 93 Defender 110 in Saratoga on Farwell at 1:30 > today (Sunday). My wife said "oooooh a 110, look dear" I guess the > brain washing is working. :^ ) From bens Wed Jan 30 19:43:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0V0h2b23730 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:43:02 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:43:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200201310043.g0V0h2323726@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'rro@koan.team.net'" Subject: RE: tires Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ".... There is also a brand by the name of Courser Traction King, or something..." Did a quick google search on "Courser Traction King" and got this site for your light reading enjoyment.... http://www.coopertirelitigation.com/coopertire/ -Dave G. From bens Wed Jan 30 19:52:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0V0qQS23804 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:52:26 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:52:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200201310052.g0V0qQs23800@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Tread patterns Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...http://www.coopertires.com/tire_cooper/ltsuv.asp?id=190..." And a little poking around reveals the same tire...heck, even the same website design, from Mastercraft (cooper manufactured) in the Courser C/T, but in fewer sizes (not my beloved 255/85-16) http://www.mastercrafttires.com/ltsuv.asp?id=209 -Dave G. From bens Wed Jan 30 20:10:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0V1Asu23904 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:10:54 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:10:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200201310110.g0V1As723900@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: LG Lunch or Dinner (was Sightings in LG) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >How about CB Hannigans tomorrow for lunch or an early dinner. Anyone >interested? -->Jeff yes, I'm interested TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Wed Jan 30 20:54:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0V1sHB24131 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:54:17 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:54:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200201310154.g0V1sHu24127@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: LG Lunch or Dinner (was Sightings in LG) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm definitely interested - although my schedule is getting more and more screwed as the day progresses. Lunch is definitely out as I need to be at a client's office all day tomorrow. Not sure if I'll be back in time for dinner at any sort of reasonable hour. I might have to be on a maybe basis. Friday lunch would certainly work for me! Shannon On Wednesday, January 30, 2002, at 03:24 PM, Jeff Rogers wrote: > > > > How about CB Hannigans tomorrow for lunch or an early dinner. Anyone > interested? -->Jeff > > > > [ 14 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jan 30 21:14:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0V2Eu124239 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:14:56 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:14:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200201310214.g0V2Eua24235@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: LG Lunch or Dinner (was Sightings in LG) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > > My calendar says it's Wednesday the 30th, so I guess I was proposing > Thursday the 31st at CB's. Yup, I think I had premature Thursday on the brain??? So now that I've completely confused everyone! What day again to be sure ? :) TomW > > > > on 1/30/02 4:08 PM, Tom Walsh at tomw@fluentnet.com wrote: > > > > > This would be Friday, not Tonight??? > > > > TomW [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Wed Jan 30 21:20:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0V2KGr24286 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:20:16 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:20:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200201310220.g0V2KGO24282@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sightings and questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > There is only one in Saratoga that I know of. It has tinted windows and > belongs to a realtor that sells out of the Los Gatos Coldwell Banker office. > He isn't too nice. Make sure you never buy house from the SOB then :) TomW > Never says hello at stoplights. That's probably the guy > if you saw the truck on Farwell. > > > > on 1/27/02 7:20 PM, Keith Shukait at shukait@mac.com wrote: > > > > > All, [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Wed Jan 30 21:20:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0V2KkH24310 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:20:46 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:20:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200201310220.g0V2Kkc24306@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: LG Lunch or Dinner (was Sightings in LG) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Let's do an early dinner. 6pm @ CB Hannigans. I'll be there regardless of who shows so no need to RSVP. -->Jeff on 1/30/02 5:54 PM, Shannon Holland at holland@loser.net wrote: > > I'm definitely interested - although my schedule is getting more and > more screwed as the day progresses. Lunch is definitely out as I need to > be at a client's office all day tomorrow. Not sure if I'll be back in > time for dinner at any sort of reasonable hour. I might have to be on a > maybe basis. > > Friday lunch would certainly work for me! > [ 15 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jan 30 21:36:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0V2aR824381 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:36:27 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:36:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200201310236.g0V2aRN24377@minbar.fourfold.org> From: David Guinivere To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: LG Lunch or Dinner (was Sightings in LG) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > How about CB Hannigans tomorrow for lunch or an early dinner. Anyone > interested? -->Jeff I'll be there... What time? - DTG From bens Wed Jan 30 21:36:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0V2aZS24395 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:36:35 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:36:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200201310236.g0V2aZL24391@minbar.fourfold.org> From: David Guinivere To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: LG Lunch or Dinner (was Sightings in LG) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ 24 lines filtered. ] --=====================_268075==_.ALT At 08:54 PM 1/30/2002 -0500, you wrote: >I'm definitely interested - although my schedule is getting more and >more screwed as the day progresses. Lunch is definitely out as I need to >be at a client's office all day tomorrow. Not sure if I'll be back in >time for dinner at any sort of reasonable hour. I might have to be on a >maybe basis. > >Friday lunch would certainly work for me! > >Shannon I'm interested. Thursday works for me, can't make Friday Friday dinner works. - DTG --=====================_268075==_.ALT From bens Wed Jan 30 21:37:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0V2bt924409 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:37:55 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:37:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200201310237.g0V2btP24405@minbar.fourfold.org> From: David Guinivere To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: LG Lunch or Dinner (was Sightings in LG) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ 35 lines filtered. ] --=====================_347689==_.ALT Thursday at 6.... I'll be there... -DTG At 09:20 PM 1/30/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Let's do an early dinner. 6pm @ CB Hannigans. I'll be there regardless of >who shows so no need to RSVP. -->Jeff > > > > >on 1/30/02 5:54 PM, Shannon Holland at holland@loser.net wrote: > > > [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] --=====================_347689==_.ALT From bens Thu Jan 31 10:12:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0VFCvR29565 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:12:57 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:12:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200201311512.g0VFCux29561@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bob Frey" To: Subject: Re: ultimate machine.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm very curious about this competition.... Several folks at my work are involved in "Battlebots" and the like.... and the idea is very interesting. My first thought is that vey light vehicle with extremely low COG ( maybe carbon fibre/kevlar paneled space frame construction )could be very good in "low speed" crashes. etc... but the build schedule and the "pot of money" isn't equal to the task. How about a '58 Chevy with direct electic drive Or a Unimog with modified plow attachment to turn over the other vehicle?? Ideas?----- Fun thinking anyway.... Bob Frey Original Message ----- From: "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" To: "'mendo'" Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 2:32 PM Subject: ultimate machine.... > > http://www.ultimatemachinecombat.com/ > > "Ultimate Machine Combat is all about cars and mayhem. > > Ultimate Machine Combat is the new show from the creators of TLC's >> > Junkyard Wars and Channel 4's >> Scrapheap > Challenge . It will test machines and > drivers to the limits of their tolerances and beyond. [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] the > rigours of Ultimate Machine Combat. > We will be giving you enough money to build a no-frills vehicle, but if you > want to spend more, we won't try and stop you. You may even enlist extra > help with the engineering, although only three of you will travel to the > competition. > Since this is the biggest, baddest motor-contest ever, we are looking for > teams with exceptional skills, a passion for all things mechanical and a > competitive streak that borders on the insane. The team must be able to fix, > repair or jury-rig the vehicle in any way possible to get it working and at > least one team member must have driving and racing experience. " > > > I could think of several Mendo folks who could do a great job at this.... > > :-) > > Cheers, > Gerry From bens Thu Jan 31 12:28:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0VHS7V30390 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:28:07 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:28:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200201311728.g0VHS7I30386@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Ok respond to the bumper question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I know tons of you have various front bumpers on your trucks. Even if it is not on a RR. Please let me know how you like the bumper with the following criteria. 1. Fit 2. Weight/vs functionality. Will it take a hit without needing to realign it, or bend it straight. 3. cost 4. Ease to mount winch 5. Who makes it? -ROb From bens Thu Jan 31 12:48:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0VHmcY30564 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:48:38 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:48:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200201311748.g0VHmcQ30560@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: LG Lunch or Dinner (was Sightings in LG) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'll probably be too late for dinner, but with some luck I'll be able to get there in time for beer! Shannon On Wednesday, January 30, 2002, at 06:20 PM, Jeff Rogers wrote: > Let's do an early dinner. 6pm @ CB Hannigans. I'll be there regardless > of > who shows so no need to RSVP. -->Jeff From bens Thu Jan 31 12:48:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0VHmeb30573 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:48:40 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:48:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200201311748.g0VHmep30569@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Whitbeck To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Ok respond to the bumper question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 23 lines filtered. ] Ok, I did see your original post but I procrastinated... Sorry. I've got a Safari Gard front bumper on my 97 Disco. It was a straight bolt-on. Did it myself using a trolly jack to guide the bumper in. Everything lined up perfectly. The skid plate assembly isn't on yet but that takes a little drilling and rivnuting. When I asked the list how SGs bumpers go on I was warned to check the package with the hardware as there is usually something missing. Yup, dead on! Missing rivnuts. SG overnighted them right away. Very happy with the bumper. Not at all bothered at this point about the difference in cost between the SG and ARB or other make. Yes, initially the SG was a couple hundred more but I'm really happy I went with it. I've heard others say that their SG product(s) did require some tweaking to the vehicle or the bumper during installation. Peter Whitbeck '62 109 Regular "Cornwallis" '97 Disco '94 Ritchey P-22 Team '83 Guerciotti ************** Peter Whitbeck Peter@RailCarAmerica.com http://www.railcaramerica.com/pw/ From bens Thu Jan 31 14:08:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0VJ8Wc31010 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:08:32 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:08:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200201311908.g0VJ8Wt31006@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: Ok respond to the bumper question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rob: You probably know this already, but I'm running with the SMSI bumper. IMHO, it is the most compact winch bumper out there. It is also _very_ strong and bolts right up. There are a few variations on the bumper that you can see at http://www.recoverygear.com/smsi.html . Note that he makes a couple that look stock for both series vehicles and defenders. ...$275-375 -->Jeff on 1/31/02 9:28 AM, Kerner, Rob at kerner@vegmail.ucdavis.edu wrote: > > I know tons of you have various front bumpers on your trucks. Even if it is > not on a RR. Please let me know how you like the bumper with the following > criteria. > > 1. Fit > 2. Weight/vs functionality. Will it take a hit without needing to realign > it, or bend it straight. > 3. cost [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jan 31 14:27:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0VJRRs31119 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:27:27 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:27:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200201311927.g0VJRRe31115@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Ok respond to the bumper question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Rob. Disclaimer: I get ARB bumpers at a discount so my views are biased. I have ARB's on both RR's, and have several experiences as to why I like them. The first (and strongest example) was that a friend hit a deer on the fwy. going 65mph. The deer bounced off of the bumper and didn't do anything to it at all. I saw this happen and was flabbergasted. I bought my first ARB bumper (at full retail) the next week. Approach angles aren't the greatest. Weight isn't really a problem until you put a winch in it. I have a Warn M10 and a Warn S12 winch in both trucks. One has OME medium springs and the other has OME heavy springs in the front. Mounting the Warn winches into an ARB is really easy. It was designed for the M10 and M12, and with a little wiggling, a 9000i can fit in there nicely. It goes on as advertised. The rails are a little snug, but with two people (or one and an engine lift) you can get it on no problems. Plenty of hardware and good instructions. All of the ones I have put on go on with no modifications. I totalled a Dodge Neon, T-boning it last November (it was his fault). My bumper was bent, but I drove to the shop with it. I like the ARB bumpers, but they are a bit ungainly, and yes, there are other designs that are 'sexier'. IMO for the money it's going to be hard to beat. That new Z-Bar bumper looks pretty similar but might actually have a better approach angle. Don't know about it's strenths or who manufacturs it. Good luck! Michael _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Thu Jan 31 15:03:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0VK3tb31324 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:03:55 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:03:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200201312003.g0VK3t431320@minbar.fourfold.org> From: jsosbee@apple.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Shock replacement Disco I Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --smms-1.0.0-05df88 Good morning everyone! I have a 98 Disco and I need shock and a steering stabilizer BAD. I have looked at Old Man Emu and stock. I want to lift the Disco a couple inches later with Springs but not now. Are the Emu shocks that much better the stock? What you all suggest as the best all around Heavy Duty Shock for L.R.? I want a tough shock for wheelin' and Towing. Thanks in advance. Josh Sosbee 98 Discovery: "Sparky" cuz it has electrical problems.... ; name="" DQotLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tMTY4NzkyOTk4MzI0MDA3 --smms-1.0.0-05df88-- From bens Thu Jan 31 15:17:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0VKHcG31424 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:17:38 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:17:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200201312017.g0VKHcd31420@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: LG Lunch or Dinner & Scouts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jeff and all, I'd LOVE to go but have a Webelos Scout meeting and it would be too close on time. In other news... It would be fun to involve my Scouts (boys 10 years old) in the club some how. My Assistant den leader has a Hummer and loves to 4x4, maybe with everyone's ok I could bring them to the next outing? There's a Webelos Den in Texas that has a "Rover Patrol" the dads have a 109SW and they use it with the scouts. They even made a custom patrol patch with the 109 on it. If anyone has ideas let me know. Thanks, Keith From bens Thu Jan 31 15:23:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0VKNQT31460 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:23:26 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:23:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200201312023.g0VKNQm31456@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Freeman, Ben" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: EPA and 300 TDi Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thank you Ed for stating that so very well. I should ad that also from others who like myself seem to import more than our fair share of neat toys from the UK. It also depends on how you present the vehicle tot he customs agent also and how he or she is feeling that day. Even though the US DOT laws sometimes conflict with each states laws this can help you many times and once in awhiel hurt too. Personally I like to work with one customs agent on a regular basis. this way everything is the same each time. An yes the reason the EPA hasn't really done anything about the engines that were commercially imported for re-sale is frankly because LRNA didn't want to make a big deal about it. As they were asked for input on the issue. As that is the law. Same lw is used when importing a vehicle into the US by way of a RI (Registered Importer). An yes, the specs on the 300tdi used along with a LR "running gear" (I'll explain why shortly). Will meet most of the worlds stringent EPA laws excluding CA of course there "just screwed up". It will pass the Canadian B.C. emmissions which are more stringent than most EPA lawss in the US. So this combined with if you as a private citizen installed your oun engine along with your own trannsmission and t-case and running gear in your own LR. Your in fine shape. Now why all the same running gear well the orininal emmissions setup was designed to work with the LR engine and t-case it was matched up with at the factory. And one other little detail no one has mentioned. There are two ways in which the EPA considers engine ok or not ok for the US. A.) Imported and certified in the truck as new and cleared and certified by the manufacture. B.) On a case by case basis as a private individual having replaced a "bad" motor. < this is your option and were I look as the way to approach the whole issue till LRNA get's there head outa there ass and start importing the 90/110/Disco/RR into the US with a TD5 in it. When they were going to in '98 with a 300TDi. Yes, it was kicked around as an optional engine since then when owned by BMW was going to do away with the V-8 engine entirely. So there is still hope...:-) Now don;t get me wrong I think everyone should have the freedom to install what ever engine tranny ect they want in any truck they want. Just might have to tinker with the equipment to get it to pass Smog/DEQ/EPA/Emmissions for the running gear setup you have. Well Happy Rovering.. An buy what you want....I'll go back to my Congressman and get us a 15 year importation law passed..:-) From bens Thu Jan 31 15:24:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0VKO2F31479 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:24:02 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:24:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200201312024.g0VKO2h31475@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Whitbeck To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: LG Lunch or Dinner & Scouts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 30 lines filtered. ] On a similar vein my Cub den adopted my Bedford overland truck and made it the "Official Den 5 Expedition Vehicle". Peter ************** Peter Whitbeck Peter@RailCarAmerica.com http://www.railcaramerica.com/pw/ From bens Thu Jan 31 15:41:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0VKfaL31706 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:41:36 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:41:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200201312041.g0VKfa531702@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Station wagon jump seats Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello, I have some Series bench style jump seat frames and I'm not sure what interior the're made for: 1) Two pair (seat & back rests for each side of truck) galvanized frames with metal backing sheets. These are 41" long. They seem too long for my 109 SW with a middle bench seat because they prevent access to the middle seat's fold down release strap. Are they made for a 109 SW with individual middle seats? 2) One individual seat back frame (with orig rhino pad) that is 33" long. Is this for an 88"? Thanks, Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From bens Thu Jan 31 15:48:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0VKmxc31769 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:48:59 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:48:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200201312048.g0VKmx331765@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Shock replacement Disco I Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org When I had a 96 Disco I installed OME shocks and springs. There is a significant difference between stock shocks and OME shocks. OME shocks are firstly designed to work specifically with OME HD/MD springs. Chris Dow just mentioned noticing this more closely as of late on his 110. I don't think you can get stock HD springs for the Disco either, at least not HD that would equal the lift possible with OME HD springs. Secondly, OME shocks are simply designed to withstand the pressures and beating found in offroad driving a lot better than the stock shocks are. Stock shocks are fine for road applications, but for the beating they get offroad they don't hold up at all. If I'm not mistaken, the rod, piston, seals and shock tower guards on OMEs are all designed for offroad applications. It's the same with Bilstein shocks. They're designed for onroad use, and in that application they perform excellently. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Thu Jan 31 15:50:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0VKoFF31802 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:50:15 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:50:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200201312050.g0VKoFH31798@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: Subject: Re: LG Lunch or Dinner & Scouts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It would be fun to do a Slick Rock trip, or any other numerous places, that involved a night of camping, a little trash recon and some 4x4. They could detail our trucks at the end of the trip too (just kidding about that last part). I've made the classic mistake of taking life to seriously lately and the perspective of a 10 year old would be welcomed. Just my two cents. Brian On 1/31/02 12:17 PM, "Keith Shukait" wrote: > > Jeff and all, > > I'd LOVE to go but have a Webelos Scout meeting and it would be too > close on time. > > In other news... > > It would be fun to involve my Scouts (boys 10 years old) in the club [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ------------------------ http://www.roverme.org "Land Rover community, links and email services." From bens Thu Jan 31 20:28:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g111Sq002126 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:28:52 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:28:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200202010128.g111Sqw02122@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: short windscreen? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 26 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" This makes a Series Rover's windscreen look absolutely panoramic... http://money.cnn.com/pf/autos/features/autoshow/jeep_wil_frame.html From bens Thu Jan 31 21:03:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1123aO02384 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:03:36 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:03:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200202010203.g1123aG02380@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Ok respond to the bumper question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have a galvanized SMSI on Spot with a winch and Stephanie has a black powdercoated SMSI on Stella w/ no winch. Very pleased with both. I'm not aware of any bumper with a better approach angle or that is stronger. Bonus points for it's true Land Rover styling. Bruce Jeff Rogers wrote: > Rob: > > You probably know this already, but I'm running with the SMSI bumper. IMHO, > it is the most compact winch bumper out there. It is also _very_ strong and > bolts right up. There are a few variations on the bumper that you can see at > http://www.recoverygear.com/smsi.html . Note that he makes a couple that > look stock for both series vehicles and defenders. ...$275-375 > > -->Jeff [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jan 31 21:23:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g112NdG02531 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:23:39 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:23:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200202010223.g112Nd402527@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: short windscreen? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm partial to the GT 40 myself. Bruce Blair Peterson wrote: > This makes a Series Rover's windscreen look absolutely panoramic... > > http://money.cnn.com/pf/autos/features/autoshow/jeep_wil_frame.html From bens Thu Jan 31 21:39:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g112dcH02624 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:39:38 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:39:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200202010239.g112dbi02620@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Station wagon jump seats Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Joe, The 33" er is the 88 size. I have a set for one of my 88's in black, But one side is missing the two hooked cane things that bolt on to the back to help mount it to the side. If yours will be hanging around and only gathering dust. Bob B At 12:41 PM 1/31/2002, you wrote: >Hello, >I have some Series bench style jump seat frames and >I'm not sure what interior the're made for: >1) Two pair (seat & back rests for each side of truck) >galvanized frames with metal backing sheets. These >are 41" long. They seem too long for my 109 SW with a >middle bench seat because they prevent access to the >middle seat's fold down release strap. Are they made >for a 109 SW with individual middle seats? [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ]