From bens Thu Nov 1 10:24:11 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA1FOBC13104 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:24:11 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:24:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200111011524.fA1FO9k13100@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Odd Series Survey Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The last time I was in Queeny, I noticed that the pedals were different than Regent. The lip on the one side of the clutch and brake pedal were on a different side. So I am wondering what the norm was(knowing British quality, it is whatever was around). When you look at the brake and clutch pedals without pedal pads on them, what side is the metal lip on? Is your vehicle right hand drive, left hand drive? Was it a NAS vehicle? Anyone know the rational for having them on one side verus the other? -Rob From bens Thu Nov 1 10:42:21 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA1FgLE13302 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:42:21 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:42:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200111011542.fA1FgK413298@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Odd Series Survey Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 43 lines filtered. ] Bob if the pedal is to the right or left, I wonder if that may determine where the lip is? -Rob From bens Thu Nov 1 10:40:32 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA1FeWf13287 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:40:32 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:40:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200111011540.fA1FeV213283@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Odd Series Survey Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ 35 lines filtered. ] --=====================_6364780==_.ALT Hi, I haven't done the actual survey yet, But something also I have noticed is the steel pedal is sometimes to the left or right of the arm. No pattern or reason noticed here. I even went so far as to swap out a pedal to make it better to use on the rusty old 65-88 that I had for years. That rusty old New Yorker now lives on with Sherman's safari top, Olivia's rear tub and front fenders, and Stubby's breakfast and Grille. After another cuppa coffee I'll go look at the pedals to complete the survey. Bob B At 07:24 AM 11/1/2001, you wrote: >The last time I was in Queeny, I noticed that the pedals were different than >Regent. The lip on the one side of the clutch and brake pedal were on a >different side. So I am wondering what the norm was(knowing British >quality, it is whatever was around). > >When you look at the brake and clutch pedals without pedal pads on them, >what side is the metal lip on? >Is your vehicle right hand drive, left hand drive? >Was it a NAS vehicle? [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] --=====================_6364780==_.ALT From bens Thu Nov 1 10:54:21 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA1FsLL13365 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:54:21 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:54:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200111011554.fA1FsKO13361@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Odd Series Survey Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ 17 lines filtered. ] --=====================_7196210==_.ALT Actually, the one I changed had the lip on the same side even though the pedals were offset differently. Bob B At 07:42 AM 11/1/2001, you wrote: > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ Included Original Message ] > [ 43 lines filtered. ] >Bob if the pedal is to the right or left, I wonder if that may determine >where the lip is? > >-Rob --=====================_7196210==_.ALT From bens Thu Nov 1 10:56:15 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA1FuFM13403 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:56:15 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:56:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200111011556.fA1FuEF13399@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Odd Series Survey Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 29 lines filtered. ] Well Regent is a series III LHD NAS 88 with the pedal lip on the left side for both pedals. I hadn't noticed the offset so I'll check on that. -Rob From bens Thu Nov 1 10:57:41 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA1Fvfv13417 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:57:41 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:57:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200111011557.fA1Fveq13413@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: NCRC Slick Rock/Blue lakes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Calling anyone who went on the Blue Lakes/Slick Rock run this past summer. I would like some pictures for the newsletter. If you are interested in writing up a short article on the trip that would be great. There were some 22 trucks on this trip. One of you must want to write something. As always captions with pictures is greatly appreciated.(especially if I wasn't there) Deadline is Nov. 10th -Rob Ps. Anyone who had a deadline earlier than that, your deadline is still earlier!!! From bens Thu Nov 1 11:45:39 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA1Gjdg13673 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 11:45:39 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 11:45:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200111011645.fA1Gjcc13669@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Odd Series Survey Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ 27 lines filtered. ] --=====================_10273420==_.ALT Hi, Both Sherman 69-88 with power assist and Olivia have the pads to the right and the lip on the left. My extra pedals 70 brake tower, 65 brake tower and unknown tower all the same. I guess my early truck 65-88 had an oddball and the pad was different and clumsy which is why I swapped it out. Also my 51-80 pedals through the floor clutch lip right and pad left, brake lip left pad centered. My extra 51 pedals have one that has the lip the opposite. All are LHD. Bob B At 07:56 AM 11/1/2001, you wrote: > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ Included Original Message ] > [ 29 lines filtered. ] >Well Regent is a series III LHD NAS 88 with the pedal lip on the left side >for both pedals. I hadn't noticed the offset so I'll check on that. > >-Rob --=====================_10273420==_.ALT From bens Thu Nov 1 12:06:24 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA1H6Ok13790 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 12:06:24 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 12:06:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200111011706.fA1H6NU13786@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: "mendo_recce@fourfold.org" Subject: [Fwd: [PCRC] OFF: FS: Husky Football Tickets - 3 Nov (vs Stanford)] Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ message/rfc822 ] [ 15 lines filtered. ] --------------636F0F439F3C429EC518572E Any Stanford fans out there? --------------636F0F439F3C429EC518572E Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Unsubscribe: List-URL: X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Is anyone in the Puget Sound area interested in going to the Husky football game this Saturday 11/3? They are playing Stanford. It is at 12:30. The tickets are $65 for two. My seats are partly protected from the rain, I never get very wet. The disadvantage of being in row E is you are only just under the protection of the roof high above; the advantage is you are relatively close to the field. My seats are at the goal line on the west end, fifth row in the upper deck, south side, and the tickets get you a free seat on a bus ... go to the game by bus if you can and avoid the parking hassles. There are buses from all the local park and rides, and from Seattle areas like Ballard on normal bus routes. (I take the 44 along 45th through Wallingford to the game myself) They've won all but one game so far...but really just squeaked a win last home game. Have been troubled by quarterback injuries.  Pamela Perrott 425-372-0120 mailto:pamela.perrott@construx.com Construx Software Builders http://www.construx.com/ ---- This is the Pacific Coast Rover Club mailing list. To send a msg: To unsubscribe: --------------636F0F439F3C429EC518572E-- From bens Thu Nov 1 12:00:42 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA1H0gq13758 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 12:00:42 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 12:00:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200111011700.fA1H0fU13754@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Odd Series Survey Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 41 lines filtered. ] It may be that LHD had them to the left and RHD had them to the right? -Rob From bens Thu Nov 1 15:14:34 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA1KEYS14639 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:14:34 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:14:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200111012014.fA1KEXc14635@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: some ideas for getting together during Nov?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Since there isn't anything scheduled for November and the rally was cancelled sometime ago, I'm wondering if anyone would like to get together anytime over the next few weekends. I believe the next planned event is the holiday party, which is in December. I'm not sure I can wait that long to get out and do some driving. Originally Petra and I had planned to leave the Bay area for some extended travel during November, but that looks like it will be postponed until later in the winter or early spring, so our schedule is wide open. Anyone interested in getting together, let us know! Some ideas include a trip up to the lost cost area, a possible southern CA desert trip, or a trip to Mt Shasta. Or maybe something "easier" like lunch at the Pelican Inn? Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com From bens Thu Nov 1 15:20:16 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA1KKGv14678 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:20:16 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:20:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200111012020.fA1KKFo14674@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: sightings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Last week Tuesday Petra and I spotted Defender 110 #463 parked in the Safeway parking lot near the Filmore Theater around 5pm. It had the most interesting hood orniement I've ever seen on a Defender - a molded casting of a hunting dog with a bird in its mouth. It must have been at least 4 inches tall or more. Roof rack was removed, running boards were still on, as was the front bull bar. CA plates. Anyone on the list?? Yesterday spotted a very nice looking yellow XD Disco parked on Van Ness near Golden Gate about 5pm. Keith, was that you by chance? Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com From bens Thu Nov 1 16:07:22 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA1L7MW14935 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 16:07:22 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 16:07:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200111012107.fA1L7L114931@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: get together in Nov. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org That sounds great. It does seem too long that we have to wait until Holiday party. Charles Phu _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From bens Thu Nov 1 16:28:39 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA1LSdl15063 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 16:28:39 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 16:28:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200111012128.fA1LSck15059@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: get together in Nov. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org And the holiday party isn't exactly an offroad event! ;-) I think the next potentially planned event is the snow run and mud run, but those are held as late as January or February. There is also the potential Mendo trail work weekend in November, but not sure how that is looking. >That sounds great. It does seem too long that we have to wait until Holiday >party. > >Charles Phu > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > -- Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com From bens Thu Nov 1 20:26:34 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA21QYk16295 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 20:26:34 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 20:26:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200111020126.fA21QWt16291@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org, rovernet@lyris.ccdata.com Subject: Re: sightings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Today: Defender 110 parked in front of closed warehouse on Beverly Bl. near Silver Lake Bl. Yesterday: Rover TC2000 FOR SALE! Price on sign was $750 obo - car located on Rowina(sp) in Highland Park, and is parked on the street. IT COULD BE A P6B, but there we no bonnet air scoops, so I'm guessing it was a TC. Couple of MGA's sitting in yards in that area, too, and saw a nice TR6 on a hilltop near Dodger Stadium. Today I also spotted a Citroen 2CV pickup!!!!! If I remember correctly, it too was on Silver Lake Bl. at a shop, sitting in the back of the lot...didn't appear to have been running for a while. A few chrome bumpered B's running about, and made a delivery to a guy yesterday, that has a Triumph Bonneville. Charles On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:20:15 -0500 Jason Pipes writes: > > > Last week Tuesday Petra and I spotted Defender 110 #463 parked in > the > Safeway parking lot near the Filmore Theater around 5pm. It had the > most > interesting hood orniement I've ever seen on a Defender - a molded > casting > of a hunting dog with a bird in its mouth. It must have been at [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Thu Nov 1 20:25:49 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA21Pna16284 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 20:25:49 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 20:25:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200111020125.fA21PmN16280@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: rovernet@lyris.ccdata.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Everybody... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks for the kind words after the news of my dog moving on...they were well received. Am feeling better. Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Thu Nov 1 20:57:18 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA21vI516479 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 20:57:18 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 20:57:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200111020157.fA21vHC16475@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "russell wilson" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Everybody... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, Give me a call when you have time. How's work? later On Thursday, November 1, 2001, at 05:25 PM, Charles R Irvin wrote: > > Thanks for the kind words after the news of my dog moving on...they > were > well received. > > Am feeling better. > > Charles > [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Russ Wilson From bens Fri Nov 2 00:00:05 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA2505S17313 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 00:00:05 -0500 Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 00:00:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200111020500.fA2503T17282@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: some ideas for getting together during Nov?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hmm. Took the R.Rover out last Sat. up to the Defense mine (on the West side of the Panamint Valley). Very rocky! The mine is very cool to explore. Has 3 levels in it. There was one tough spot on the trail where I had to get out and spot our guys. In the middle of this, a Rock Crawlers group from Thousand Oaks area decided to "pass through" us (we already had 2 of our 5 vehicles through) This is very poor trail etiquette (IMHO). They all had to try an extremely tough area 5 - 6 times (only one out of the 14 vehicles made it up there) and then proceeded to practically drive over some of our group without asking us to move (good thing we run quick). This took them about 1 1/2 hours. It was really great sitting around waiting for them. :( Then coming back home, I was walking the Rover down this tough spot when a 4runner decides to pass me, coming within 6" of hitting my left wing. I was Very pleased... Anyhow (rant mode off), there is some serious 4wd here if one wishes to take it. There is also Jail canyon, Pleasant canyon, Goller wash, Cerro Gorto mine loop, Crankshaft junction, etc. etc. Most of these are much easier. The Rover performed great, making it up stuff with bald tires that some of my buddies couldn't make with their vehicles. The rock crawler group had lockers, 36 - 38" tires, & most had 2 transfer cases... The designer/builder of the Toyota dual set-up (is it Currie?) was there. One guy had a device that loaded the corners of the front suspension to keep the wheels on the ground during serious articulation. Many had spots mounted under the fenders so they could 4wd in the rocks at night. Lots of bucks! So, IF I haven't sold the R.Rover by then (Dec?), I would be willing to help out a trip out here if there was enough interest. I'm leaning towards a Mog, but getting cold feet... Would love that Mog/Series hybrid! Later, Kelly Minnick p.s. e-mail me you know someone who wants a R.Rover for little $$ with tons of stuff done to the beast. > Some ideas include a trip up to the lost cost area, a possible southern CA > desert trip, or a trip to Mt Shasta. Or maybe something "easier" > like lunch > at the Pelican Inn? > Jason Pipes > jpipes@feldgrau.com > www.feldgrau.com From bens Fri Nov 2 01:57:00 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA26v0F18804 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 01:57:00 -0500 Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 01:56:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200111020656.fA26uxt18800@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re: odd series survey Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Here's my input! Both pedal lips are on the left. The brake pedal pad is centered to its arm and the clutch pedal pad is right justified a bit. Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From bens Fri Nov 2 02:17:06 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA27H6i18938 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 02:17:06 -0500 Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 02:17:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200111020717.fA27H4S18934@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re: some ideas for getting together during Nov?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm up for a journey except it would have to be after my friend's wedding, my girlfriend's friend's wedding, and Thanksgiving (which means I'm avail the last week of the month). I would very much like to see The Lost Coast (Sinkyone?) assuming we had a reasonably fair weather forcast....but I'd also go elsewhere! Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:14:33 -0500 From: Jason Pipes Subject: some ideas for getting together during Nov?? Since there isn't anything scheduled for November and the rally was cancelled sometime ago, I'm wondering if anyone would like to get together anytime over the next few weekends. I believe the next planned event is the holiday party, which is in December. I'm not sure I can wait that long to get out and do some driving. Originally Petra and I had planned to leave the Bay area for some extended travel during November, but that looks like it will be postponed until later in the winter or early spring, so our schedule is wide open. Anyone interested in getting together, let us know! Some ideas include a trip up to the lost cost area, a possible southern CA desert trip, or a trip to Mt Shasta. Or maybe something "easier" like lunch at the Pelican Inn? Jason Pipes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From bens Fri Nov 2 11:42:01 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA2Gg1o21671 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:42:01 -0500 Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:42:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200111021642.fA2Gg0I21667@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: some ideas for getting together during Nov?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kelly Minnick wrote: > Anyhow (rant mode off), there is some serious 4wd here if one wishes to take > it. There is also Jail canyon, Pleasant canyon, Goller wash, Cerro Gorto > mine loop, Crankshaft junction, etc. etc. Kelly, do you know what the current status of Surprise Cyn is? I heard it was being shut down at least "temporarily". Wouldn't want any erosion out of those washes... :-( > ... The designer/builder > of the Toyota dual set-up (is it Currie?) was there. A Merlin Crawler I believe. It's not Currie, Merlin maybe? > I'm leaning towards a Mog, > but getting cold feet... Would love that Mog/Series hybrid! Has anyone seen one of the newly imported Mogs from Freightliner? Bruce B From bens Fri Nov 2 15:18:52 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA2KIqT22644 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:18:52 -0500 Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:18:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200111022018.fA2KIpc22640@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: OSS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 41 lines filtered. ] ------_=_NextPart_001_01C163DB.8A17F7BE charset="iso-8859-1" Rob, Here is my entry to the Odd Series Survey: Vintage: 1966=20 Vehicle: Series IIA 109 Regular, LHD NADA?: Maybe-- bought from Berkeley British Motors (RIP) but delivery taken in Solihull. Pedals: Lip on left, pedal arm left of center (brake and clutch). What did I win? Extra credit: '93 NAS D110 clutch pedal looks an awful lot like that of the 109... ------_=_NextPart_001_01C163DB.8A17F7BE From bens Fri Nov 2 15:28:49 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA2KSna22701 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:28:49 -0500 Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:28:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200111022028.fA2KSm622697@minbar.fourfold.org> From: To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Re: some ideas for getting together during Nov?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Surprise is closed, at least for now. The last run I saw done by FourWheeler or someone (too many magazines) said BLM checked the water downstream before & after their run... What do they think Jet ski's & boats do with their exhaust on the 2-stroke engines??? Goof balls. BLM has also closed most of the trails behind my house. Seems the mtn bikers/walkers have more pull. I'm not sure how they think those trails Got there... (dirt bikes). > Kelly, do you know what the current status of Surprise Cyn is? I heard it was > being shut down at least "temporarily". Wouldn't want any erosion out of those > washes... :-( > > ... The designer/builder > > of the Toyota dual set-up (is it Currie?) was there. > A Merlin Crawler I believe. It's not Currie, Merlin maybe? Yeah, that's probably right as Currie does axles, right? > > I'm leaning towards a Mog, > > but getting cold feet... Would love that Mog/Series hybrid! > Has anyone seen one of the newly imported Mogs from Freightliner? Suppose to be way cool, but most will end up in commercial applications. The G-wagen is suppose to make it here for around $75K, too. The G would be even cooler with a portal axle and about $30K... Later, Kelly Minnick From bens Fri Nov 2 15:46:47 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA2Kkl822793 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:46:47 -0500 Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:46:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200111022046.fA2KkkO22789@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: some ideas for getting together during Nov?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org i haven't been paying attention to the list for a week or so, but it's worth mentioning that we didn't schedule a november ncrc event after the rally was cancelled because we have spoken with the forest rangers in stonyford and we expect that they will ask us to help them clean up after the fire. so far, we haven't back from them, but i'll make another call today. just an fyi... the stonyford rangers are very please with our work on the trails the club has adopted. they will be creating signs for each end of those trails that will have the club logo on them. they really appreciate our help! that said, i think it will be important for us to turn out for the fire clean-up. i will let everyone know the second i have more information. -->jeff on 11/1/01 12:14 PM, Jason Pipes at jpipes@csd.uwm.edu wrote: > > > Since there isn't anything scheduled for November and the rally was > cancelled sometime ago, I'm wondering if anyone would like to get together > anytime over the next few weekends. > > I believe the next planned event is the holiday party, which is in December. > I'm not sure I can wait that long to get out and do some driving. Originally > Petra and I had planned to leave the Bay area for some extended travel [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Nov 2 18:19:25 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA2NJPJ23612 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 18:19:25 -0500 Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 18:19:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200111022319.fA2NJOe23608@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Sightings and things to do in November Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On the XD in SF... not me, although mine IS very nice... ;^) As far as ideas for a get together in November, I'm putting the canoe on the 109 and going fishing at New Melones next weekend (10th &11th). I've got two friends talked into it, but the more the merrier. Land Rovers make everything more fun. Keith 69 Series IIa 109 97 Disco XD From bens Fri Nov 2 23:38:43 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA34chx24994 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 23:38:43 -0500 Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 23:38:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200111030438.fA34cgm24990@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: Wheel Wobble Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org My SIII has been acting up in the past week. Coming down Solano Ave., started to hear rattling coming from the front. a day or so later, the steering felt like that tires are out balance, could feel a small vibration. I kicked the front tire yesterday, sounded like the lug nuts were loose, I check them and they were tight. Today, I took the tire and the break drum off and checked the see if the hub was loose and had play in it. Could not detect anything. I was planning in pulling the front off to change the swivel ball's seal and repack the bearings, but I am still wondering what it could be? could it be related to the swivel bearings and tension? I will be able to look at in more detail late Sat afternoon and Sunday. Your tips, hints, etc are all welcomed. thanks Mehdi From bens Sat Nov 3 00:16:55 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA35Gtf26086 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 00:16:55 -0500 Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 00:16:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200111030516.fA35GrE26082@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: Wheel Wobble Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mehdi, > My SIII has been acting up in the past week. Coming down Solano Ave., > started to hear rattling coming from the front. a day or so later, the > steering felt like that tires are out balance, could feel a small vibration. >From your description and investigation, all the items you mention can certainly be suspect. Also, I'd check all the tie-rod ends (including the one from the steering box to the steering relay) and the front spring bushings. If the hubs seemed tight, there might be play in the swivel pins, either in the bearing or Railco bush. If you have the car all together and jack up the front, you should be able to isolate where the play exists. The other thing I'd suspect for that rattling noise would be something loose in the brake, such as a broken spring or other part floating around in there. But it sounds like you already checked for that. Best of luck, Granny From bens Sat Nov 3 00:27:43 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA35Rh626152 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 00:27:43 -0500 Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 00:27:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200111030527.fA35Rfo26148@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Wheel Wobble Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Mehdi- 6 months after I rebuilt the PS box on the R.Rover, I had this problem. The tie rods had loosened (even though they were torqued & cotter pined in place). In fact, when I removed the cotter, the castle nuts were finger loose! The Ralico bushings/swivel bearings are also suspect as Granny stated. It's best if you jack up the vehicle and have an assistant wiggle the steering wheel & road wheels while you look to see what's moving! Hope this helps. Take care, Kelly Minnick > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org > [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org]On Behalf Of Mehdi Saghafi > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 8:39 PM > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: Wheel Wobble > > > [ 23 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Nov 3 08:45:09 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA3Dj9I28414 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 08:45:09 -0500 Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 08:45:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200111031345.fA3Dj7328410@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Wheel Wobble Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >My SIII has been acting up in the past week. Coming down Solano Ave., >started to hear rattling coming from the front. a day or so later, the >steering felt like that tires are out balance, could feel a small vibration. >I kicked the front tire yesterday, sounded like the lug nuts were loose, I >check them and they were tight. Today, I took the tire and the break drum >off and checked the see if the hub was loose and had play in it. Could not >detect anything. > [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] - Bad tie rod ends - Front tyre balance - steering box fixings coming loose First come to mind. First get all four wheels rebalnced and rotated. If that does not cure the problem: Get a friend to work the steering wheel back and fourth while you look. First go under the vehicle and look at each tire rod end as the steering wheel is quickly turned back and fourth a couple inches. If there is ANY movment of one side of the end before the other end moves replace the tie rod end. Next inspect the rod between the steering box and relay. Then look at the steering box & relay to see if there is any wobble in either. Next jack up the front end. Spin each front wheel and look for any wobble in the wheel itself. At each front wheel firmly grasp it and shake it up and down then side to side. You are looking for loose Railko bushings, loose wheel bearings, broken front stub axle (Though I'm the only person I know who ever broke a series stub axle). Normally front wheels wobble because the tyre is out of balance and somehing between the tires and the steering wheel is lose. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Sat Nov 3 09:14:58 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA3EEwR28541 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 09:14:58 -0500 Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 09:14:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200111031414.fA3EEvi28537@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: rovernet@lyris.ccdata.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Interesting sighting... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks, Saw something that really caught my eye yesterday, while I was working in Highland Park: was driving north on Figueroa Ave near York, and a VERY odd (to this country!) Ford turned left off a side street, in front of me! It was badged as a Ford, and I wasn't sure if it was painted a primer gray, or if the car was simply covered in mist (it was about 0730hrs), but it was gray, and while the front of the car somewhat resembled a Ka (not sold in the USA), the rear had a hatch that was more or less vertical, and all glass! It had dual round taillights, amber and red, and the typical rest-of-the-world roof-mounted radio antenna (I still don't understand why nearly all U.S market cars have to have wing-mounted antennas!) The glass rear had some kind of a decal in the lower R.H. corner, but I could never - in my 22-foot bedded International truck that performes less than a turtle - get close enough to read what it said. Overall, the car sort of resembled a Smart - and was similar in size and design. I'm not certain if the car was electric or gas powered, but it sure scooted along as if it were gas powered. I know that Ford has R&D facilities in Montebello/Highland Park areas, but this car appeared to have been privatly owned - it had the "paper" Ford dealer plate in place of the license plate. Any ideas? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Anyone? Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Sat Nov 3 12:47:40 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA3Hlek29517 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 12:47:40 -0500 Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 12:47:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200111031747.fA3HldB29513@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Daniel Oppenheim To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Jim Red's phone number? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Does anyone know jim and barbara's home phone number? Thanks, Daniel From bens Sun Nov 4 00:06:48 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA456mO32611 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 00:06:48 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 00:06:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200111040506.fA456lu32607@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: Wheel Wobble Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I second everything Kelly and TeriAnn said. I also just thought to mention a problem I had several times. Check to see that the pinch bolt is good and tight on the steering relay end of the drop arm. Granny From bens Sun Nov 4 03:55:04 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA48t4U02090 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 03:55:04 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 03:55:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200111040855.fA48t3N02086@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: D110's everywhere! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I think I've seen more random D110's in the past week then I have in total the previous many months! Last week as reported earlier I spotted D110 #463 near Japan Town at Safeway. On Friday night after work on the way home we ran into the same D110 again! We found out the chap is named Mike and he isn't a member of NCRC, although he did say he managed 6 miles of the Rubicon in his otherwise stock truck. I gave him a copy of the NCRC brochure for good measure as I keep a number with me for such occasions! Today (Sat) Petra and I ran into Blair Peterson in his D110 in San Rafel. It was a chance encounter that we both enjoyed! Later the same night (Sat) we ran into another D110 parked in the Borders parking lot off of 101 in San Rafel. This was D110 #407, and the owner was a chap named Bill. His truck was pristine! Truck had 23,000 miles on it! Mint shape, auxiliary lights, ARB bull bar, winch and hood mounted wheel were some highlights. Still had running boards, rear spare and roof rack on. Excellent fellow, we talked with him for almost an hour. He is not a member of NCRC either, so we gave him a brochure as well. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Sun Nov 4 05:32:14 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA4AWEo02662 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 05:32:14 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 05:32:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200111041032.fA4AWDx02658@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Can someone help me on this? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Guys, I got a question from a friend of mine about importing D90 Tdi into the States. I guess I know the answer but I think maybe someone here can give him a more accurate and detailed answer. The following is his question: "I presently live in Buenos Aires, Argentina and would love to take my Defender 90 Tdi to the US with me. The problem is that the 2.5 Tdi was never a standard engine when the Defender 90ˇ¦ s were brought into the US, so I can imagine that it isnˇ¦t even registered by the EPA. It is the standard engine for all Defenderˇ¦s and Discoveries outside the US. Do you know how I can take a 2.5 liter stock diesel into the US? If you cant help, do you know who can?" Thank you in advance for help. Charles Phu _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From bens Sun Nov 4 09:36:14 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA4EaEp03696 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 09:36:14 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 09:36:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200111041436.fA4EaD203692@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: D110's everywhere! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ 21 lines filtered. ] --=====================_1549970==_.ALT Geeze Jason, If you keep running into all the 110's the insurance company might cancel you. And all the 110's over here will eventually be wrecks. ;^) Bob B At 12:55 AM 11/4/2001, you wrote: >On Friday night after work on the way home we ran into the same D110 again! >Today (Sat) Petra and I ran into Blair Peterson in his D110 in San Rafel. >Later the same night (Sat) we ran into another D110 parked in the Borders >parking lot off of 101 in San Rafel >Jason Pipes >jpipes@feldgrau.com --=====================_1549970==_.ALT From bens Sun Nov 4 10:45:26 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA4FjQq04044 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 10:45:26 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 10:45:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200111041545.fA4FjPf04037@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: rovernet@lyris.ccdata.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Two cool sightings yesterday... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Marina Del Rey (Culver City...): Alla Ave. poppy red SIII SWB Land Rover! (Karen, this is the Rufy imposter I saw before) Lomita, Western Ave. across from Narbonne High School: BRG Jag XK150 fhc!!!!! I caught a glimpse of the rear end of this car a week or two ago, but thought it was a Mk.2 (it was sticking halfway out of a garage door), but this time it was parked on the street in all its glory. The usual gaggle of D-90's seen on a daily basis... Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Sun Nov 4 13:13:48 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA4IDmH04719 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 13:13:48 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 13:13:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200111041813.fA4IDlr04715@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Can someone help me on this? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The US allows folks to bring in their own trucks for personal use for 12 months. This is how folks touring the country with new Unimogs or Land Rovers do it. At the end of 12 months, you have to take the truck out of the country. So, you can't move here and bring your truck and keep it forever. I don't know if you can take a quick trip to Canada/Mexico and "reimport" it for a second 12 months. US customs is the appropriate legal entity to ask for official advice. Write a letter, and send a copy to several places: customs nearest where you will be moving, customs in D.C and perhaps US DOT? start here and click away: http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/temp9911.html cheers, >Guys, > >I got a question from a friend of mine about importing D90 Tdi into the >States. I guess I know the answer but I think maybe someone here can give >him a more accurate and detailed answer. The following is his question: > >"I presently live in Buenos Aires, Argentina and >would love to take my Defender 90 Tdi to the US >with me. The problem is that the 2.5 Tdi was [ 15 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista From bens Sun Nov 4 13:37:12 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA4IbCN04829 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 13:37:12 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 13:37:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200111041837.fA4IbBH04825@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: RE: Wheel Wobble Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org OK, I had a chance to check it out more. I think it is in the swivel ball assembly. If I hold the tire at the top and the bottom and wiggle it hard, I hear little clicking/ wobble. Late today, I will start the disassembly/reassembly. Thanks for all the input. Mehdi From bens Sun Nov 4 13:50:14 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA4IoEZ04891 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 13:50:14 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 13:50:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200111041850.fA4IoCA04887@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: cool sightings yesterday...And more Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 15 lines filtered. ] I spent Friday bring home a new arrival. Greater than 3K lbs and wrapped in aluminum. Charles is the happy uncle, and somehow, I've convinced my bride that he is responsible for the whole mess. Going back in time.... Charles is speeding on the freeways of the desert southwest as a minion of a large trucking company that has not yet driven into the State Capitol. He spies a troubled traveler, issues his usual hearty laugh, accelerates, and then notes that the troubled traveler is in possession of a Series vehicle, towed behind his "Adventure in Moving" box on wheels. He revises his low opinion of the individuals taste and intelligence massively in an upward direction. Taking a handy off-ramp when he can get his truck slowed enough to corner with anything resembling safety (many miles). He reverses course. The poor sod who has rented the moving truck is situated in an electronic Bermuda Triangle, and has no access to cell towers, or other means of communication. He's waiting until the Law arrives and renders assistance. Then Mad Charles blasts his air horn, and raises a mighty cloud of dust and blasts to a stop next to him. What could he have been thinking? If it had been me, I'd have had flashbacks of Bordello of Blood I think. Much conversation ensues, and Charles interviews the intrepid Rover owner as to exactly what he's up to. The traveler allows that he's bound for California, and has plans to redo the Rover. Charles inquires as to his exact destination within the state. On learning that the guy is bound for Eldorado Hills, Charles asks him if he knows x, or y, or z. (I'd be Z, I don't know the others either.) Charles gives him my number. Back to the near present... He calls I buy, then I tell my wife. I survived. Badly injured, but recovering nicely thanks. Rover particulars, Key fob is a lone star beer bottle cutout in sheet brass. I don't know what the implications are of that. Coil was shot, now replaced and the engine runs great. Tires are the extremely cool high performance lowered profile. 235-75 R15's. That yields a mighty 6.5" of clearance under the diff. It's a 67, and my first Series with the single motor wipers. Most of the lights don't work. The last 12 inches of the frame is gone, and replaced with channel iron. Luckily, I have a galvanized 88 frame sitting in the yard. It has new brake cylinders and lines all round, and the power brakes appear to work. It leaks water, but appears to be from hoses at the heater. When you tool around the pastures, it gently steams out the demister vents. Oil in the engine, and trans, diffs is all clean like new. There was a quarter of an inch of preservative filth (spilled oil and dirt) in the back. Standard hard top, no sunsheet. Body is remarkably straight. I'm stoked Zack From bens Sun Nov 4 14:14:33 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA4JEXc05049 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 14:14:33 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 14:14:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200111041914.fA4JEWc05045@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: cool sightings yesterday...And more Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ 18 lines filtered. ] --=====================_18221947==_.ALT At 10:50 AM 11/4/2001, Zacky wrote: >When you tool around the pastures, it gently steams out the demister >vents. Oil in the engine, and trans, diffs is all clean like new. There was a >quarter of an inch of preservative filth (spilled oil and dirt) in the back. >Standard hard top, no sunsheet. Body is remarkably straight. > >I'm stoked > >Zack Hi Zack, Now the fun begins! Bob B --=====================_18221947==_.ALT From bens Sun Nov 4 14:14:31 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA4JEVW05041 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 14:14:31 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 14:14:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200111041914.fA4JEUT05036@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Wheel Wobble Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ 24 lines filtered. ] --=====================_18221932==_.ALT Mehdi, If it is the swivel, then you can probably adjust the play by removing shims from the top pivot. Then using a fish scale you can set the drag. Unless you find that the nuts/bolts/studs came loose from the last time you or somebody was in there. Then just tighten them. The bent tab locking plates are really useful on these. Maybe they were accidently left out previously. Bob B At 10:37 AM 11/4/2001, you wrote: >OK, I had a chance to check it out more. I think it is in the swivel ball >assembly. If I hold the tire at the top and the bottom and wiggle it hard, >I hear little clicking/ wobble. Late today, I will start the >disassembly/reassembly. > >Thanks for all the input. > >Mehdi --=====================_18221932==_.ALT From bens Sun Nov 4 14:07:54 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA4J7se05003 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 14:07:54 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 14:07:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200111041907.fA4J7r604999@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "russell wilson" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: cool sightings yesterday...And more Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Zack, Congratulations on the new rover! My first rig was a 67' so I have a soft spot in my frame, er um heart for that vintage. On Sunday, November 4, 2001, at 10:50 AM, Zaxcoinc@aol.com wrote: > Going back in time.... > Charles is speeding on the freeways of the desert southwest as a minion > of a > large trucking company You forgot this part: Back to the present... Charles is STILL speeding on the freeways of the desert southwest, as well as the sidestreets, sidewalks and front lawns of the greater L.A. area as the minion of a somewhat smaller trucking company. "Stay on the porch son, it's the only safe place" > Back to the near present... > He calls I buy, then I tell my wife. I survived. Badly injured, but > recovering nicely thanks. > > Rover particulars, Key fob is a lone star beer bottle cutout in sheet > brass. > I don't know what the implications are of that. Coil was shot, now > replaced > and the engine runs great. Tires are the extremely cool high performance [ 23 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Russ Wilson From bens Sun Nov 4 14:55:31 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA4JtV005260 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 14:55:31 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 14:55:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200111041955.fA4JtU605256@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: RE: Wheel Wobble Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 14 lines filtered. ] Bob, There is some grease around it that tell me it must be a bit loose for the oil to make it wet. Locking tabs are there. I have to change the swivel ball's seal, so I was going to take apart and put it back together. Thanks Mehdi From bens Sun Nov 4 16:19:52 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA4LJqn05671 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 16:19:52 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 16:19:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200111042119.fA4LJpf05667@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: cool sightings yesterday...And more Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Zack, Congrats! I figured that: A. he'd call you first because you're closer than I am, and B. he'd call you first, because I did tell him that I'm broke! Glad to hear that the truck went to a good home. Just remind Gaelin now and again, that it's all my fault. Actually, it was a very small private company that had 6 trucks, and I DID get into Sacramento nearly every week - just never had time to stop by (I did call once or twice). Charles - just my luck, the first day I take off from work in a month, and it rains! On Sun, 4 Nov 2001 13:50:12 -0500 Zaxcoinc@aol.com writes: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] > [ 15 lines filtered. ] > > > I spent Friday bring home a new arrival. Greater than 3K lbs and > wrapped in > aluminum. Charles is the happy uncle, and somehow, I've convinced my [ 77 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Sun Nov 4 18:03:39 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA4N3da06176 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 18:03:39 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 18:03:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200111042303.fA4N3cj06172@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Freelander "Road to Adventure!" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I just got a post card that the Freelander "Road to Adventure!" will visit Land Rover Redwood City on Nov. 6th-7th from 10:00 AM to 7:00 PM (I'll be in Seattle early next week). The post card said "It's an exclusive chance for you to examine in detail the extraordinary new Freelander" and "Come join our celebration and take part in the Freelander Road to Adventure!" Kevin From bens Sun Nov 4 18:19:23 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA4NJNF06262 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 18:19:23 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 18:19:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200111042319.fA4NJMo06258@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander "Road to Adventure!" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Kevin Kelly wrote: > > I just got a post card that the Freelander "Road to > Adventure!" will visit Land Rover Redwood City on Nov. > 6th-7th from 10:00 AM to 7:00 PM (I'll be in Seattle > early > next week). Maaaaaaaan! What a Pain! Why during the week? I'll still be in Santa Rosa..... Would like to finally see it. i'd suggest an impromptu NCRC gathering there to see it....but maybe not enough interest? Paul > > The post card said "It's an exclusive chance for you to > examine in detail the extraordinary new Freelander" and > "Come join our celebration and take part in the > Freelander > Road to Adventure!" > > Kevin > [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From bens Sun Nov 4 20:02:36 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA512au06732 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 20:02:36 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 20:02:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200111050102.fA512Zq06728@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hope Peter" To: Subject: Re: D110's everywhere! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > He is not a > member of NCRC either, so we gave him a brochure as well. > Brochures? From bens Sun Nov 4 22:06:33 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA536Xd07323 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 22:06:33 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 22:06:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200111050306.fA536Wh07319@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: D110's everywhere! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >> He is not a member of NCRC either, so we gave him a brochure as well. > > >Brochures? There are/were some brochures done up that have some general info about the club and how to join that are for handing out at dealerships and the like. Petra and I were tasked with dropping off a load at BMC and snagged some for handing out to chaps we meet in passing. I'm sure many more are/could be available for others to do the same with. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com From bens Sun Nov 4 22:07:43 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA537hf07347 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 22:07:43 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 22:07:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200111050307.fA537f507341@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: D110's everywhere! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Geeze Jason, >If you keep running into all the 110's the insurance company might cancel you. >And all the 110's over here will eventually be wrecks. > >;^) > >Bob B ouch!! ;-) hope you're doing well! Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com From bens Mon Nov 5 10:17:55 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA5FHtt11794 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:17:55 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:17:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200111051517.fA5FHrL11790@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Wheel Wobble Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 17 lines filtered. ] About a year after I had done Regents swivel balls I notice a steering clunk that eminated from the wheel. On inspection, the lock tabs that hold the swivel houseing to the diff flange had come loose and the bolts had backed out, causing much play. I did the quick fix, lock tite, and wrench, rather than disassemble the hub and replace the lock tabs. -Rob From bens Mon Nov 5 10:36:01 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA5Fa1M11924 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:36:01 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:36:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200111051536.fA5Fa0S11920@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mitchell, Ben" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: LRW Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey folks, First off, yes I'm alive, and yes I've fallen off the face of the face of the earth. I'll be back someday...I promise :-) In the meantime however, I understand that a recent issue of LRW had an article about my truck based on some photos they shot while we were on the NCRC Moab trip. My (meager) attempts to find a copy of this issue have proven unsuccessful. If anyone has a copy kicking around with which he'd be willing to part, I'd love to buy it from you. Please respond privately so that (a) we don't clutter the list and (b) I'm more likely to see the response. Thanks, -Ben mailto:ben@mitchellfamily.com From bens Mon Nov 5 11:03:38 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA5G3c612064 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 11:03:38 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 11:03:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200111051603.fA5G3bF12060@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Freeman, Ben" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Can someone help me with this? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In referance to this topic. There are several methods this can be done. no major legal no..no's either. By the way I'm starting to feel like a broken record here. 1.) Remove the engine and tranny and import the truck in. The DOT at this state it's considered strickly as parts only. Now once inthe US you have several options depending upon what state your in. But if your interested ask my later. 2.) John's suggestion is a plausable one on the DOT's Form HS-7 the vehicle's owner needs to fill out the top of the form with all the necessary details check box #5 and under that section fill in his/her passport number and country of origin. And on the bottom of the form list his home address in his home country. This is good for 364 days only. The vehicle must be shown to have left the country this could be as simple as driving it across the border into canada/Mexico. After that well who know's? > Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 05:32:13 -0500 > From: "charles chuan-chen phu" > Subject: Can someone help me on this? > > Guys, > > I got a question from a friend of mine about importing D90 Tdi into the > States. I guess I know the answer but I think maybe someone here can give > him a more accurate and detailed answer. The following is his question: [ 40 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Well in the mean time Happy Rovering... From bens Mon Nov 5 11:21:36 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA5GLab12171 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 11:21:36 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 11:21:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200111051621.fA5GLZ612167@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Can someone help me with this? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Whilst on the subject: the ONLY way to bring one in on paper, declare it as oficially being imported by a private party, and keep it for yourself, is to import one that is pre-NAS Defender, and still, this truck must be a diesel to get around EPA regs. However, to do this, the truck must be brought up to near Defender spec so far as DOT is concerned: roll cage, NAS lighting, etc. (contrary to popular belief, it doesn't matter what side the steering wheel is on, at least, not in the USA - if you can't handle driving a RHD vehicle here, the liability is on you since you voluntarily imported it on your own) There is also that one-time law that was resurrected, wasn't there??? (in which you can import something that isn't sold in this market, but wasn't there a catch to that?) I looked into this once, and it's much easier to fly to England, remove the engine/trans, import all the "parts" that you like, and go from there. Charles On Mon, 5 Nov 2001 11:03:37 -0500 "Freeman, Ben" writes: > > In referance to this topic. There are several methods this can be > done. no > major legal no..no's either. By the way I'm starting to feel like a > broken > record here. > 1.) Remove the engine and tranny and import the truck in. The DOT at > this > state it's considered strickly as parts only. Now once inthe US you [ 33 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Mon Nov 5 12:31:42 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA5HVgn12576 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 12:31:42 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 12:31:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200111051731.fA5HVf312572@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Discovery Gas Mileage Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Stats: 97 Discovery XD Roof Rack Brush bar Center driving lights Last owner added the stock lower air dam with fog lights. (I might as well drag a parachute while I'm at it!!) ;^) I listed all these items a s the probably cause a lot of drag. I'm getting 10.5 miles to the gallon all city driving, 3 to 5 mile trips no freeway, is that the norm? Is there a chip for the Disco Series I that improves performance? Usually they say more "horse power and better gas mileage" in the ads for performance chips. Pam's driven it easy and hard and there's really no difference in the mileage. Thanks again, Keith From bens Mon Nov 5 12:37:52 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA5Hbqh12630 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 12:37:52 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 12:37:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200111051737.fA5Hbpx12626@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Discovery Gas Mileage Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org <> What's your driving style? My '95 is similarly equipped and I get a consistent 15 MPG. I normally drive fairly easy though. Cheers, Gerry From bens Mon Nov 5 13:29:35 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA5ITZe12898 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 13:29:35 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 13:29:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200111051829.fA5ITYX12894@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hannaford, Morgan" To: "'mendo_recce-digest@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: wheel wobb le Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mehdi: A quick test before you tear the whole assembly apart.... Do the same "shake the wheel" test while someone applies the brakes. The wheel bearings have a little end-float (0.004"?) which can be felt when you pull/push on the top of the tire. If it still clunks with brakes applied...it is definately the swivel. If not, it might be your wheel bearings. If you replace the Railco bushing be sure you have a hydraulic press handy. -Mo (who has survived the 12 hour swivel job). From bens Mon Nov 5 15:27:07 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA5KR7Q13462 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 15:27:07 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 15:27:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200111052027.fA5KR7k13458@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: question about D90 importing Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thank you so much, Charles, Ben, and John. Charles _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From bens Mon Nov 5 16:04:39 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA5L4dS13671 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 16:04:39 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 16:04:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200111052104.fA5L4ds13667@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Wendell \"Reed\" Cotton" To: Subject: RE: Discovery Gas Mileage Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Keith, My Disco has the air-dam/fog lights. A winch, fog lights, and an Adventure roof-rack with four Hella 4000's on it (big wind catcher). I also have a Safari Snorkel (ARB), on it and I actually think that may help, but not enough to make up for the rack and lights. My daily driving (commute) is 40 miles each way, 10 of those steep mountain roads. The rest is freeway (I am including the stretch of Hwy 17 between Scotts Valley and Los Gatos as Freeway.) Doing that every day, my fuel average is 13.22 MPG. Depending when I buy gas, its either mostly uphill, or mostly downhill. On the open road, I will get somewhere in the high 14's for mileage. A lot of people I talk to claim higher numbers than this. Depending on what city your driving in 10.5 may be good, but I might want to change my fuel filter, air filter (about the only two things that you can do much about.) Your last question was good, and I don't have an answer for how much a chip alone helps or not. I will look forward to an answer. -Reed Cotton '62 SIIa 109 SW - 007BJU '96 Disco - DISCVRY -----Original Message----- From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org] On Behalf Of Keith Shukait Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 9:32 AM To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Discovery Gas Mileage Stats: 97 Discovery XD Roof Rack Brush bar Center driving lights Last owner added the stock lower air dam with fog lights. (I might as well drag a parachute while I'm at it!!) ;^) I listed all these items a s the probably cause a lot of drag. I'm getting 10.5 miles to the gallon all city driving, 3 to 5 mile trips no freeway, is that the norm? Is there a chip for the Disco Series I that improves performance? Usually they say more "horse power and better gas mileage" in the ads for performance chips. Pam's driven it easy and hard and there's really no difference in the mileage. Thanks again, Keith From bens Mon Nov 5 19:04:30 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA604UD14588 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:04:30 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:04:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200111060004.fA604Tf14584@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: "mendo_recce@fourfold.org" Subject: Lost Coast Cleanup [Fwd: Fw: Public serviece announcement - Please] Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Lost Coast 4x4 Club is having their 3rd annual cleanup Eel River cleanup Nov. 11, 2001. Bruce Bonar NCRC Public Affairs ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl To: Times Standard ; Scott Hammond ; Don Amador <112531.1311@compuserve.com>; Don Klusman ; Humboldt1.com ; Jeff Ricker ; W.R.O.C. ; Peggy Redfearn ; ; Ohl Olson ; Scott Sinclair ; Cc: Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 11:41 AM Subject: Public serviece announcement - Please > LOST COAST 4X4s > P. O. Box 6189 > Eureka, CA 95502 > (707) 442-7395 > > > > PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT: > For Information call: [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Join > with the Lost Coast 4x4s as they perform the Third Annual Cleanup of the Eel > River under Fernbridge and at Grizzly Bluff on Sunday, November 11, > 2001, starting > at 9 a.m. The plan is to remove items dumped in the area such as > cars, appliances, > and miscellaneous garbage. When so many areas are being closed to > public access, > this is the group's way of maintaining access to a beautiful area > that has become > one of our favorite places to play. [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] raffle > prizes, and equipment to make this day possible. Items donated include the > use of a dumpster, portable bathroom facilities and heavy equipment capable > of moving burned vehicle hulks. Trash bags, gloves and food will be available > for participants. > > Just come down, sign up, grab some gloves and trash bags. We welcome > your assistance. > Then join us as we enjoy a tasty lunch consisting of hot dogs, hamburgers, > drinks, etc., and be eligible to win a raffle prize > > If you have questions or need more information, please call Scott Reinsmith > at (707) 444-3173; Louise Oliver at (707) 725-1197; or Carl Brandt at (707) > 442-7395. > -- > > Carl Brandt > President > Lost Coast 4x4's > Been There! Bent That! > http://www.lostcoast4x4.org ------- End of Forwarded Message From bens Mon Nov 5 19:45:15 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA60jFd14815 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:45:15 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:45:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200111060045.fA60jEt14811@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: some ideas for getting together during Nov?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org As far as I know Surprise Canyon is closed. Cheers John "Bruce R. Bonar" wrote: > Kelly Minnick wrote: > > > Anyhow (rant mode off), there is some serious 4wd here if one wishes to take > > it. There is also Jail canyon, Pleasant canyon, Goller wash, Cerro Gorto > > mine loop, Crankshaft junction, etc. etc. > > Kelly, do you know what the current status of Surprise Cyn is? I heard it was > being shut down at least "temporarily". Wouldn't want any erosion out of those > washes... :-( [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Nov 5 19:47:45 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA60ljD14839 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:47:45 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:47:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200111060047.fA60ljt14835@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: KG6IPO Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So invest in me:) Rob Kerner KG6IPO From bens Tue Nov 6 11:46:20 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA6GkKT20440 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 11:46:20 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 11:46:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200111061646.fA6GkJW20436@minbar.fourfold.org> From: carl kruger To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Five Michelin XMS 244 tires on Series wheels FS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi all- Spam follows: I have five OEM Range Rover tires (Michelin XMS 244) mounted on steel 16" series rims to sell. The rims are from a Costa Rican 109 and are in fair shape. One rim has a shallower offset than the other four. Four are about 50% and in good shape, the fifth (spare) is better at about 65%. They are not at the end of their useful life but I sprung for Trac Edges and now have these extra. I'm in San Jose, CA. Please email if you are interested, I'm looking for about $200 for all. I can take pictures if interested. thanks, Carl Kruger Ser. 3 88 From bens Tue Nov 6 11:46:24 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA6GkO520447 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 11:46:24 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 11:46:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200111061646.fA6GkN920443@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Petra Esterle To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: KG6IPO Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At least it rolls off the tongue a little easier! "Kerner, Rob" wrote: > > So invest in me:) > > Rob Kerner > KG6IPO -- Petra Esterle petra@feldgrau.com 1993 NAS D110 165/500 From bens Tue Nov 6 12:03:12 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA6H3C820577 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 12:03:12 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 12:03:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200111061703.fA6H3Bc20573@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: KG6IPO Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Congratulations!! That really is a great callsign. Bruce KF6QBF "Kerner, Rob" wrote: > So invest in me:) > > Rob Kerner > KG6IPO From bens Tue Nov 6 12:17:46 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA6HHkW20664 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 12:17:46 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 12:17:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200111061717.fA6HHjp20660@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Five Michelin XMS 244 tires on Series wheels FS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ 32 lines filtered. ] --=====================_11079206==_.ALT Hi Carl, I wish I was closer to San Jose, or you were closer to Paradise, so I could see how they look on my 51-80". It now has some 15 inchers from a 1970-88. They don't look bad actually kinda cute, but the 16" would give a bit more clearance. What size are they and what diameter do you measure? Bob B At 08:46 AM 11/6/2001, you wrote: >Hi all- > >Spam follows: > >I have five OEM Range Rover tires (Michelin XMS 244) mounted on steel 16" >series rims to sell. The rims are from a Costa Rican 109 and are in fair >shape. One rim has a shallower offset than the other four. Four are about >50% and in good shape, the fifth (spare) is better at about 65%. > [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] --=====================_11079206==_.ALT From bens Tue Nov 6 13:04:09 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA6I49B20993 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:04:09 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:04:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200111061804.fA6I48420989@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "John F. Hess, PhD" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: measurement please Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org concerning a 2.25 l land rover 4 banger: Now, what about rod big ends? The shop wants to know the diameter of the big end of the rod, before putting the bearing in. They have cleaned them up, but tell me that rods become ever so slightly oval, so they remove the cap, take a smidge off the ends of the cap, put the cap back on, tighten things up and then make the hole the perfect size. they want to know what the perfect size is. The crank is standard, in good shape, they will polish it and re-use. The bearings are standard. But the shop guys are thinking about oil film thickness and bearing crush and don't want to the job as an experiment, they want to know the right size hole to make from the start. Understand? Can you help? Thanks, -- John F. Hess, PhD Phone me 530 752 8420 Dept of Cell Bio. and Hum. Anat. 3417 Tupper Hall FAX me 530-752-8520 (ask first) School of Medicine University of California at Davis Davis, CA 95616-8643 I prefer email: jfhess@ucdavis.edu In keeping with adopted UC policy, I wish to make it clear that I do not speak on behalf of the University and the remarks contained in this email are solely my own. From bens Tue Nov 6 14:37:59 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA6Jbxs21563 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 14:37:59 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 14:37:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200111061937.fA6Jbxh21559@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: measurement please Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Steve at BP says that what I want isn't really available and not needed, per se. So, as Rosanadananana would say "Nevermind" john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens Tue Nov 6 17:34:07 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA6MY7g22506 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:34:07 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:34:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200111062234.fA6MY6q22502@minbar.fourfold.org> From: JoeSmo To: mendo_list Subject: spin on oil filter adapter Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I recently purchased and installed a spin on oil filter adapter and although I believe I installed it correctly I would hate to find out the hard way that I did not. The one I purchased (rocky mountain) had a sticker on it saying "top" and came with a picture of one installed from the bottom. As it is currently installed the oil pressure sensors would be installed on top slightly forward. Does this sound correct? Does "top" refer to where the top of the old canister filter would be? Thank you Joe Palecek 65' 109 Station Wagon (Pokey) KG6AWH __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From bens Tue Nov 6 17:48:17 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA6MmHr22578 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:48:17 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:48:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200111062248.fA6MmGZ22574@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: spin on oil filter adapter Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 29 lines filtered. ] Joe I just did the same, and you sound like you got it correct. The greatest thing about this was I took out the plug, and my manual oil pressure guage went right in with no adaptors. -=Rob KG6IPO From bens Tue Nov 6 17:53:47 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA6Mrls22614 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:53:47 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:53:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200111062253.fA6Mrl422610@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: spin on oil filter adapter Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org That sounds correct. I was a little perplexed by the same thing, because the "top" sticker was more forward than upward. Incidently, the main reason I bought one of these was I was tired of oil dripping down my arm every time I changed the filter. Of course, when I removed the canister filter to install the spin-on adapter, it was the very first time I was able to remove it without getting any on my arm! JoeSmo wrote: From bens Tue Nov 6 19:25:36 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA70Pa823051 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:25:36 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:25:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200111070025.fA70PZj23047@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander "Road to Adventure!" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org HA! I think I might stop by LR Redwood City tonight to see this, just for fun. Maybe they'll have the Camel Trophy version too. It sure would be fun to do this with other NCRC'rs though. I get off work at 5, and will try to head down right away after to take a look. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com From bens Tue Nov 6 19:48:14 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA70mEs23159 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:48:14 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:48:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200111070048.fA70mDd23155@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: back again Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, we're back from the whirlwind Texas Tour. Drove from Denver to El Paso, to Corpus Christi, and back to Denver. The Range Rover and the wee one both performed admirably, soaking up asphalt 600+ miles at a time without a hitch. -Dave G. From bens Tue Nov 6 23:26:16 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA74QGQ24264 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 23:26:16 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 23:26:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200111070426.fA74QGF24260@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: Rovernet@lyris.ccdata.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Research completed... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks, I have recently been conduction research on both the lack of door seals - and their non-use in the real world, as well as utilising too small of a cooling system with a questionable thermostat (albeit a new one). My results: it is FAR better to have not just door seals on your vehicle - but new ones at that. They keep the cold air out, along with the exhaust fumes. Granted, that 24-hour buzz will be lost, but at least your clothes will no longer smell as if somebody ran you over. The cooling system: If your vehicle has a two-core radiator, three are better - and better still if the thermostat is removed - if your engine is a normally high-revving one, and the vehicle is kept in Southern California. And with that, the countdown has started: in one year, I plan on being transplanted to somewhere in Nevada...stay tuned... Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Tue Nov 6 23:31:10 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA74VAI24296 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 23:31:10 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 23:31:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200111070431.fA74V9l24292@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Re: back again Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, Gomes, David wrote: > > Well, we're back from the whirlwind Texas Tour. Drove from Denver to El > Paso, to Corpus Christi, and back to Denver. The Range Rover and the wee > one both performed admirably, soaking up asphalt 600+ miles at a time > without a hitch. How old is the wee one now? Ours is 9 months, and we have been debating whether to drive to Tennessee this Christmas (1743 miles one way), or fly. Both have their headaches, but we theorize that Grace will sleep in the car and stay up all night in the hotels, which would be awful. From bens Wed Nov 7 00:40:04 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA75e4325743 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 00:40:04 -0500 Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 00:40:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200111070540.fA75e3O25739@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeremy Bartlett To: Mendo List Subject: ASAP/URGENT - Mendo Fire Cleanup Help Needed - 11/18 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org We've finally got notice of a labor party date to help the forest service clean up the Fout Springs area after the fire. The date is Nov. 18 and they'd like an RSVP with the number in the work party. I'm going to be coordinating labor for anyone wanting to head up to Stonyford/Fout Springs to help with cleaning up/prepping the Fout Springs area for post fire opening. If you've been up to the area for NCRC events or the Mendo-Recce gatherings it would be nice if you could show up and help out for the area you've enjoyed. If we end up with a large group we'll have to limit it to the first 10 since the forest service would prefer no more than that. If you can make this please let me know. PLEASE E-MAIL ME OFF LIST (jjbartlett@earthlink.net) (I'm on digest mode) I have to call Stonyford by 11/12 with numbers of people expected. I realize this is pretty short notice but we just got notice from the forest service today. I've copied part of the announcement below so you'll know what to bring and expect. NOTE: DO NOT BRING CHAINSAWS. The Fout Springs "Nail Track" is the large flat area opposite the Fout Springs camp area - the first left as you come into Fout Springs. Thanks, Jeremy "As a perspective volunteer, we are sending you this announcement to let you know that the scheduled workday will be 11/18/01, beginning at the Fouts Springs Nail Track at 9:00 a.m. If you wish to come the night before you will have to camp at Old Mill Campground, Mill Valley Campground, Cedar Camp or the Little Stony Staging Area. Unfortunately, none of the Fouts area campgrounds will be open until 11/22/01 at the earliest. " "You will need to bring sturdy footwear and gloves, warm cloths, raingear and eye protection if you have it. The Forest Service will supply hardhats unless you have your own. We will be breaking into small groups with a mission in mind, and plan on working as long it takes on this date, so bring a hardy lunch. Most of the labor is heavy so we would like no more that 5-10 of your best from each club, group or organization to help in this effort. Please no OHVs or Children! We are up against the wire, trying to complete all required health and safety and resource protection measures so that we can be open for the Thanksgiving weekend. Volunteers are not allowed to use chainsaws prior to completing a 2 day training session, so leave your chainsaws home, there won’t be time or a need. Tools we would like you to bring, are hay hooks, sledgehammers, pruning shears, handsaws, posthole diggers and a strong back. We may also need some 4x4 pickups to transport people to work sites and a winch could be helpful. The Forest Service will work hard to deliver most of the material and supplies to the locations where its needed prior to your arrival. " From bens Wed Nov 7 10:07:17 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA7F7HL28176 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:07:17 -0500 Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:07:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200111071507.fA7F7Gl28172@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: back again Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...How old is the wee one now?..." Wyatt is 5 months old. The whole car thing didn't really phase him at all. The only difference was that on the one night we stayed in a hotel, he was in the other bed next to us so when he did his usual "wake up at 6 am and talk to himself for an hour" routine, we were up to stay. But it meant we got on the road at a more reasonable hour than we would have if left to our own devices. But all kids are different. Cheryl's cousin's little girl would scream incessantly if she was in anything moving before she was 2 years old. -Dave G From bens Wed Nov 7 10:44:57 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA7Fivr28374 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:44:57 -0500 Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:44:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200111071544.fA7FiuO28370@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Hennie Rautenbach (by way of john hess) To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: [vde] all quiet here, sir Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just in case not every is cross subscribed to all the possible Land Rover lists: I think most land over folks will enjoy this book. Hi there, "J. Courtenay Brandon" wrote: > Anyone familiar with the book "Looking for Lovedu" by Ann Jones > (Alfred Knopf, 2001, ISBN 0-375-40554-2)? Thanks for the reference. I'll check it out. From bens Wed Nov 7 13:35:07 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA7IZ7P29196 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:35:07 -0500 Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:35:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200111071835.fA7IZ6K29192@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "J. Courtenay Brandon" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: subscibe Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi- I liked to be added to the mailing list please. jcbrandon@yahoo.com thanks, ===== -J. J. Courtenay Brandon Treat others as you would like to be treated. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From bens Wed Nov 7 14:22:54 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA7JMsP29441 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:22:54 -0500 Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:22:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200111071922.fA7JMsK29437@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Young To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Freelander Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Took a look at the Freelander today at BMC. It's a nice looking vehicle. If I were in the market for something like a Lexus RX300, I'd go with the Freelander. It's definitely no Disco or Rangie, of course. Quite a different vehicle - independent suspension, 1,000lbs lighter, 10" less length, 3" less width, about 7" less height (than Disco II) - close to the same horsepower, so I bet it's faster. Four-wheel all the time, of course, but no high/low range. BMC also has a used Holland & Holland edition of the Rangie for sale - I think it was around $59,000. A very nice looking truck, indeed. Nice sighting: Jaguar D-type at Sears Point - it lives there in one of the shops. I think there were only about 87 or so of those made. Also saw some very nice Porsche race cars up there, too, with the drivers' names still on them - guys like Hans Struck, etc. These were in a shop next to where a friend of mine is having a CJ8 heavily modified. John Young From bens Wed Nov 7 14:29:57 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA7JTvQ29493 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:29:57 -0500 Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:29:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200111071929.fA7JTud29489@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I also saw a Freelander today. It was a 3-door with the soft top back section, red, automatic, V6, no plates. I was delivering an invoice to Warn Industries, parked right next to it before I realized it wasn't a RAV4. I think I was just expecting it to be a RAV4 and NOT a 3-door Freelander. Warn's doing some additional stuff for it, so it'll be there for a while. I'm going to try to get the keys this weekend. :) I have the VIN if anyone is interested in running it. Later, Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From bens Wed Nov 7 15:06:52 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA7K6q829677 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:06:52 -0500 Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:06:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200111072006.fA7K6p429673@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Discovey Gas Mileage Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Reed, Elam & all, <> Pam's driving style is slow, she's not racing up to stop lights or driving hard. I only get to drive it on the weekends if I'm good. She lets me wash it and fill it with gas though. <> We live in Cupertino California and it's real flat here. Maybe it's time for a service, I'll swing by the dealer and see what the service history was. One of the managers in our group has a 98 Discovery that's bone stock and he swears he gets 16mpg city and hwy. Maybe the trips are so short it never warms up :^( not good but there's little I can do about this. I'll investigate the chip and post what I find. Thanks, Keith 69 ExMoD Series IIa 109 2 Door Soft Top Pam 97 Discovery XD From bens Wed Nov 7 17:19:22 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA7MJMa30381 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 17:19:22 -0500 Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 17:19:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200111072219.fA7MJMO30377@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Don MacDonald To: LR_BClandroverlist Subject: New Range Rover Launched Today Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --Boundary_(ID_b5zlSQ8RxzkmOZeSWFV7mQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hello, The new Range Rover was launched today. Looks pretty cool! websites: www.perfectlymade.com www.rangerover.landrover.com Later, Don MacDonald --Boundary_(ID_b5zlSQ8RxzkmOZeSWFV7mQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Hello,
 
The new Range Rover was launched today.
 
Looks pretty cool!
 
websites:
 
 
Later,
Don MacDonald
 
--Boundary_(ID_b5zlSQ8RxzkmOZeSWFV7mQ)-- From bens Wed Nov 7 17:33:53 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA7MXrJ30464 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 17:33:53 -0500 Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 17:33:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200111072233.fA7MXqQ30460@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Discovey Gas Mileage Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Keith, sounds like you have some problem there! I get that mileage in the L/B but it's always been bad with the big tires, extra weight and all.....it sounds like maybe you're using too much fuel adn running rich? maybe a bad mass airflow sensor? no lights on the dash? I'd definately have soneone look at it.... Paul --- Keith Shukait wrote: > > Reed, Elam & all, > > <> > > Pam's driving style is slow, she's not racing up to stop > lights or > driving hard. I only get to drive it on the weekends if > I'm good. She [ 27 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From bens Wed Nov 7 19:24:29 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA80OT731130 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 19:24:29 -0500 Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 19:24:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200111080024.fA80OSS31126@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: New Range Rover Launched Today Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....The new Range Rover was launched today..." You mean with that giant trebuchet in France??!?!?! I'd like to see THAT! :^) -Dave G. From bens Wed Nov 7 23:23:57 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA84Nv932182 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 23:23:57 -0500 Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 23:23:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200111080423.fA84NuI32178@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Biophilian@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 11/7/01 11:23:57 AM Pacific Standard Time, john_young@sonic.net writes about the Freelander: << Four-wheel all the time, of course, but no high/low range. >> Then Mike Slade writes: << I also saw a Freelander today...Warn's doing some additional stuff for it, so it'll be there for a while. >> A Land Rover w/o lo box? Really? I'd say the one Mike saw is in the right place. Kevan From bens Wed Nov 7 23:28:02 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA84S2M32216 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 23:28:02 -0500 Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 23:28:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200111080428.fA84S1t32212@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: measurement please Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John: The more I think about you "resizing your rods", the more I think that your machine shop is looking for an extremely critical dimension. What are they going to do - guess? And also, after the resizing, the rods are now lighter. Lighter rods affect engine balance. At minimum, weigh them before and after and then you could make a judgement call whether or not to invest in balancing the entire engine. Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 2.25L Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:04:08 -0500 From: "John F. Hess, PhD" Subject: measurement please concerning a 2.25 l land rover 4 banger: Now, what about rod big ends? The shop wants to know the diameter of the big end of the rod, before putting the bearing in........ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From bens Wed Nov 7 23:46:47 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA84klv32322 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 23:46:47 -0500 Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 23:46:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200111080446.fA84klK32318@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Trip report and sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I just came back from driving my 109 SW to Stinson Beach and Bolinas (West Marin County). Crystal clear and temps in the higher 60's. I returned by taking the narrow, winding road that travels back over the hill to Fairfax and into San Rafael. A great way to test the truck's every system to it's limit! Anyway, in Bolinas, I spied an interesting derelict SIII 88 under a partial tarp on a shrub and blackberry vine infested lot. The vehicle is a red hardtop, compete with sunshield (no roof vents or alpine windows but does have sliding windows). It has blue CA plates and was last registered in '97. The metal license frames say "San Francisco" and "Europacars". The vehicle looks like it hasn't been touched in a few years (maybe since parked). Someone should save that thing........ JoeMulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Cotati, CA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From bens Thu Nov 8 00:05:10 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA855A532503 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 00:05:10 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 00:05:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200111080505.fA8559532499@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Trip report and sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- joe mulqueen wrote: You weren't driving around on Sunday were you? My mom saw a series around somewhere around Sebastapol as she was going to church apparently, and just mentioned it tonight.... She wasn't sure the colour, but thought blueish-green or green or blue or..... ;-) > Anyway, in Bolinas, I spied an interesting derelict > SIII 88 under a partial tarp on a shrub and blackberry > vine infested lot. The vehicle is a red hardtop, > compete with sunshield (no roof vents or alpine > windows but does have sliding windows). It has blue > CA plates and was last registered in '97. The metal > license frames say "San Francisco" and "Europacars". > The vehicle looks like it hasn't been touched in a few > years (maybe since parked). Someone should save that [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] I'd love to! But as I'm so strapped for $$ and staying with the folks...they'd kill me! I can only have one Land-Rover here at a time apparently.....The Africal will get hidden in the barn next week, I think......but later on in another year, I'd love another project.......maybe.....always wanted a series III to add to the collection... Paul (too much stuff...) > JoeMulqueen > '67 SIIA 109 SW > Cotati, CA > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find a job, post your resume. > http://careers.yahoo.com > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From bens Thu Nov 8 00:17:41 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA85Hfv00929 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 00:17:41 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 00:17:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200111080517.fA85He900925@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Clarke Williams To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: measurement please Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John, A friend of mine in Houston has the correct rod inside diameter. RN sold a bunch of rods that were the wrong size and blew up several engines so he had to go and dig it up. He's out of town in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico but I will try and catch him by cell and see if he'll get the dimensions when he gets home. I need to try and remember to get TeriAnn to perhaps add these to her voluminous web facts about Series vehicles. Clarke >Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:04:08 -0500 >From: "John F. Hess, PhD" >Subject: measurement please > >concerning a 2.25 l land rover 4 banger: > >Now, what about rod big ends? The shop wants to know >the diameter of >the big end of the rod, before putting the bearing in........ [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Nov 8 01:54:08 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA86s8E01485 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 01:54:08 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 01:54:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200111080654.fA86s7A01481@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: measurement please Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Very common to have the rods sized. Any good shop will size the rods if they press in new rod bolts, etc. I've Never had them ask me for a dimension, though. I'm assuming there is some formula knowing the journal diameter, thickness of a new bearing, etc. I've never heard of it weakening anything, though. We're talking a few thousandths of an inch... Later, Kelly Minnick > concerning a 2.25 l land rover 4 banger: > Now, what about rod big ends? The shop wants to know the diameter of > the big end of the rod, before putting the bearing in. They have > cleaned them up, but tell me that rods become ever so slightly oval, > so they remove the cap, take a smidge off the ends of the cap, put > the cap back on, tighten things up and then make the hole the perfect > size. they want to know what the perfect size is. The crank is > > Understand? Can you help? > Thanks, > -- > John F. Hess, PhD Phone me 530 752 8420 From bens Thu Nov 8 08:30:15 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA8DUF003329 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 08:30:15 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 08:30:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200111081330.fA8DUFZ03325@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org, Rovernet@lyris.ccdata.com Subject: Another Viru$ alert... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks, I have it on good authority that somebody has resurrected the old Budweiser Frog screensaver/viru$ combo, and is spreading it around again. Don't open it! Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Thu Nov 8 09:21:32 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA8ELWU03632 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 09:21:32 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 09:21:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200111081421.fA8ELVt03628@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Trip report and sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ 39 lines filtered. ] --=====================_1284105==_.ALT Hi Joe, Several years ago there was a family out that way, Bolinas sounds right,that had several Land-Rovers mostly in the derelict condition and in a wooded or vine covered area. I think they were for sale. I looked a several jpg's of them. Maybe a name like Murphy. Bob B At 08:46 PM 11/7/2001, you wrote: >I just came back from driving my 109 SW to Stinson >Beach and Bolinas (West Marin County). Crystal clear >and temps in the higher 60's. I returned by taking >the narrow, winding road that travels back over the >hill to Fairfax and into San Rafael. A great way to >test the truck's every system to it's limit! > >Anyway, in Bolinas, I spied an interesting derelict >SIII 88 under a partial tarp on a shrub and blackberry [ 16 additional quoted lines pruned. ] --=====================_1284105==_.ALT From bens Thu Nov 8 10:54:00 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA8Fs0W04138 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 10:54:00 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 10:54:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200111081554.fA8Fs0d04134@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: measurement please Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Actually, Steve pointed out some info to me AND essentially said the shop manual tells you how to do it. Last night I looked, and yes, the shop manual tells how to assemble things without the crank in the big end and then loosen one rod bolt (one side of the cap) and measure bearing gap. cheers, >Very common to have the rods sized. Any good shop will size the rods if they >press in new rod bolts, etc. I've Never had them ask me for a dimension, >though. I'm assuming there is some formula knowing the journal diameter, >thickness of a new bearing, etc. I've never heard of it weakening anything, >though. We're talking a few thousandths of an inch... Later, > >Kelly Minnick > > [ 15 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista From bens Thu Nov 8 12:08:16 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA8H8G604491 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:08:16 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:08:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200111081708.fA8H8F404487@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Freeman, Ben" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: NAS 110 question.. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org For those of you who own a NAS 110 would one of you mind listing off the part number on the OME rims on your truck. It's been mentioned to me that they are different than regular 110 rims. I am puzzeled by this an want to get to the bottom of this. Thank you very kindly.. Benjamin J. Freeman Site Security Supervisor Weyerhaeuser Aberdeen Sawmill (360)538-1033x650 From bens Thu Nov 8 12:30:34 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA8HUY104619 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:30:34 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:30:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200111081730.fA8HUYG04615@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: NAS 110 question.. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The wheels that came on NAS 110's were 6.5 x 16" part number ANR1534. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com From bens Thu Nov 8 12:57:51 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA8HvpD04749 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:57:51 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:57:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200111081757.fA8Hvoa04745@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: On board welder question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A fellow on the RRO list is interested in on-board welding like the one from Premier Power. I wonder if Bruce, or anyone else here who might have first hand experience might send a note to: Paul K. (paulk@lightspeed.net) Thanks, -Dave G. From bens Thu Nov 8 13:19:19 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA8IJJ304874 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:19:19 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:19:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200111081819.fA8IJIq04870@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hope Peter" To: "Mendo_Recce" , Subject: Rover web server Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Aloha All. www.aloharovers.com has moved to it's own web server. It no longer resides at www.thehopes.net/aloharovers If your links were just to aloharovers.com they will still work correctly, but if you had linked to a specific page and the url included thehopes you will need to change it. With this move aloharovers has gone from 50m of space to 30g. We are working on offering free photo album space to Rover owners. This will be similar to all the other photo albums already on the web, but will be 100% Rover content. Also working on getting a streaming media service up and running. I will post more info as things ramp up. Thanks Pete From bens Thu Nov 8 13:34:19 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA8IYJL04965 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:34:19 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:34:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200111081834.fA8IYIW04961@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Back to replacements for Cooper CTD Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Check out Firestone Steeltex 23° Spec. Serv., and Firehawk RMT. -Rob From bens Thu Nov 8 14:19:45 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA8JJjZ05194 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 14:19:45 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 14:19:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200111081919.fA8JJil05190@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: three issues that might be of interest to others Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just wanted to talk about some recent mechanical issues with our 110 that might be of interest to others. There are three main bits here. 1. Master Brake Cylinder: A short time ago I posted to the list regarding a relatively slow but persistent leak from the master brake cylinder that caused the fluid to drain almost dry every 8 to 10 days. It was not leaking from the wheels or the brake pedal, only from inside the engine bay, from the master cylinder itself. I found when looking around for a new master cylinder that prices varied. I also believe like much else with the Defenders, the NAS 90 and 110 parts are the same. The dealers wanted around $250.00 for a replacement master brake cylinder, Rovers North wanted $214.00, and British Pacific wanted about $150.00. Rebuilt master cylinders could be had for about $75.00 from Rovers North, but no one else I contacted had them available. Some have said that rebuilt master cylinders are suspect. With a part as important as this, I'd generally agree. Two parts kits were available for the master brake cylinder, one that contained the reservoir and the seals, the other that contained the cylinder itself. They were both about $50.00 from most sources. Seeing as though we weren't leaking fluid from anywhere but someplace on the master cylinder itself we came to the conclusion that replacing the resevoir and seals might solve the problem. We found the resevoir and seals part kit at Cole European in Walnut Creek for $47.00. BTW, the parts dept at Cole European has so far had in stock every part I've needed the past three or four times I've checked. Each time I also checked the other dealers in the Bay Area, and each time no one else had anything I needed in stock. With some guidance we managed to pull the master cylinder and replaced all of the seals and the reservoir, and thereafter bled the brakes. The seal that was the most troublesome to replace was the hard yellow plastic cup like piece that went between the cylinder itself and the servo unit. The plastic on both the original part and the new replacement was very rigid and was difficult to remove and to replace. The majority of the time we spent working on everything was spent in trying to carefully remove the old one and fit the new one. I'm pleased to say that after more than two weeks we haven't lost a drop of fluid anywhere and the brakes are working great. Bleeding the brake lines was very easy and straight forward also. Conclusion: if you're leaking from just the master cylinder try replacing all the seals and the resevoir first. 2. Engine Cleaning: This past weekend Petra and I cleaned our engine. The 110 has a distributer so we had to be very careful around that, but the fuse box in the 110 is in the passenger compartment so that wasn't an issue. We sealed off the distributer and the air intake and used a very light pressure wash to wet everything down as needed. We used an engine cleaning solution that was citrus based as the main cleaning agent. I don't recall the product name but it was very, very effective. We sprayed it on all the main parts that were covered in grime and grease, let it sit for 5 min, and then lightly sprayed the engine down. Almost all of the gunk disappeared. We found all of the original yellow warning stickers still in place in areas that were previously totally black. That which didn't disappear after the first rinse required only a small amount of wiping to clean up. Other than some touch up spots we want to finish and the area around the distributer, the engine is amazingly clean now. I'd suggest the product we used to anyone wanting to clean up layers of grime from their engine realtively easily. If anyone is actually interested, I can post it's name later. 3. Aircraft Anti-Rust Spray: After speaking with a non-NCRC fellow 110 owner I was made aware of some products that pilots use extensively to prevent rust on dissimilar metals because of electrochemical reactions. Does anyone know of such products, and where/how to get them? I know one of the biggest issues with rust on Rovers is because of the electrochemical reaction between aluminum and steel. The way the person I spoke with made it sound, use of this type of product essentially prevented or at least greatly reduced the onset of rust through this process. I'd like to get my hands on some of that stuff. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Thu Nov 8 14:45:41 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA8Jjf905324 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 14:45:41 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 14:45:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200111081945.fA8Jje105320@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: three issues that might be of interest to others Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Jason, I'd be very interested in the cleaning product you used. It seems it would work well for area spot cleaning, or parts cleaning on smaller jobs, in addition to the fine job it did on your engine. I like to have a bit of decent cleaner along in the trail kit. Especially on the series. Trail side repairs are generally distasteful jobs, but if I can at least clean the offending area up a bit, they're a little easier to deal with. A citrus product is probably a little more environmentally friendly than hosing half a can of WD40 all over something to try and blast away the grease. -Dave G. From bens Thu Nov 8 14:52:24 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA8JqOS05368 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 14:52:24 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 14:52:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200111081952.fA8JqNd05364@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: paulk@lightspeed.net Subject: [Fwd: On board welder question] Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ message/rfc822 ] [ 29 lines filtered. ] --------------63404CEDEBA7F837622CB426 Hi Paul, I understand you're looking for some comments on the Premier Power welder. I, actually my brother, installed one several years ago with the 160 amp alternator and overall have been very pleased. Installation, in my 94 Defender 90, required a fair amount of custom fabrication to revise the bracketry for the alternator. I still have an occasional problem with belt alignment if the tension isn't perfect. In my case I removed the windshield washer to make room to mount the welder control box. As a welder it works very well. I use SMAW (stick) only. It has done one trail repair on a friends 90 during a Dusey Ershiem trip that could have been a disaster without the welder. I've used it occasionally at home as well. I had an alternator failure once. I think it was because I didn't follow exactly the sequence of changing switches and rpm as described in the operation "manual" while setting up to do a welding job at home. I sent the alternator to a repair shop recommended by PPWfor repair, at my expense. Other than that I've had no problems. The alternator does make a very noticeable whining noise. Some may consider it LOUD and distracting...I'm hard of hearing and I'm driving a D90 so what do I care. :-) Overall I'd recommend the PPW for installation on a hard-core trail rig that will need the ability to make weld repairs at remote locations. The added benefit is the high output alternator which is plus for heavy winching and/or the running of 6 hi wattage PIAA lights. I would not get this welder in lieu of a shop welder for home projects or other primarily non-trail use. This is because you can get a welder that is much more convenient to use at home or the shop. Bruce Bonar 94 D90 "Spot" 95 D90 SW "Stella" --------------63404CEDEBA7F837622CB426 From bens Thu Nov 8 15:27:39 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA8KRdl05544 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 15:27:39 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 15:27:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200111082027.fA8KRcf05540@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Ed Sanman To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Aircraft Anti-Rust Spray Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org After speaking with a non-NCRC fellow 110 owner I was made aware of some products that pilots use extensively to prevent rust on dissimilar metals because of electrochemical reactions. Does anyone know of such products, and where/how to get them? I know one of the biggest issues with rust on Rovers is because of the electrochemical reaction between aluminum and steel. The way the person I spoke with made it sound, use of this type of product essentially prevented or at least greatly reduced the onset of rust through this process. I'd like to get my hands on some of that stuff. Jason - There's a product available at many hardware stores called "Boeshield". It was developed by Boeing just for this purpose. It's sold in spray cans. Ed Sanman From bens Thu Nov 8 15:36:28 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA8KaSh05604 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 15:36:28 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 15:36:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200111082036.fA8KaQ805600@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Wendell \"Reed\" Cotton" To: Subject: RE: three issues that might be of interest to others Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason, It's been too many years since I was actively involved in aviation, but... The product you describe sounds an awful lot like zinc-chromate. Any time we assembled anything that was anywhere near being dissimilar metals, we would coat the joining surfaces with zinc-chromate paint before riveting them together, if the parts were designed to be taken apart later we would also use a bead of zinc-chromate putty (know more generally as elephant sh*t, because of it's texture, color, and if I remember right...smell.) . In some situation we would also coat the rivets with wet paint before driving them, but that might have just been youthful enthusiasm and poorly directed over-kill. Again this was a long time ago, and things improve, so there might be better products available. But that stuff worked pretty well Good luck, -Reed Cotton '62 109 SW - 007BJU '96 Disco - DISCVRY -----Original Message----- From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org] On Behalf Of Jason Pipes Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 11:20 AM To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: three issues that might be of interest to others Just wanted to talk about some recent mechanical issues with our 110 that might be of interest to others. There are three main bits here. 1. Master Brake Cylinder: A short time ago I posted to the list regarding a relatively slow but persistent leak from the master brake cylinder that caused the fluid to drain almost dry every 8 to 10 days. It was not leaking from the wheels or the brake pedal, only from inside the engine bay, from the master cylinder itself. I found when looking around for a new master cylinder that prices varied. I also believe like much else with the Defenders, the NAS 90 and 110 parts are the same. The dealers wanted around $250.00 for a replacement master brake cylinder, Rovers North wanted $214.00, and British Pacific wanted about $150.00. Rebuilt master cylinders could be had for about $75.00 from Rovers North, but no one else I contacted had them available. Some have said that rebuilt master cylinders are suspect. With a part as important as this, I'd generally agree. Two parts kits were available for the master brake cylinder, one that contained the reservoir and the seals, the other that contained the cylinder itself. They were both about $50.00 from most sources. Seeing as though we weren't leaking fluid from anywhere but someplace on the master cylinder itself we came to the conclusion that replacing the resevoir and seals might solve the problem. We found the resevoir and seals part kit at Cole European in Walnut Creek for $47.00. BTW, the parts dept at Cole European has so far had in stock every part I've needed the past three or four times I've checked. Each time I also checked the other dealers in the Bay Area, and each time no one else had anything I needed in stock. With some guidance we managed to pull the master cylinder and replaced all of the seals and the reservoir, and thereafter bled the brakes. The seal that was the most troublesome to replace was the hard yellow plastic cup like piece that went between the cylinder itself and the servo unit. The plastic on both the original part and the new replacement was very rigid and was difficult to remove and to replace. The majority of the time we spent working on everything was spent in trying to carefully remove the old one and fit the new one. I'm pleased to say that after more than two weeks we haven't lost a drop of fluid anywhere and the brakes are working great. Bleeding the brake lines was very easy and straight forward also. Conclusion: if you're leaking from just the master cylinder try replacing all the seals and the resevoir first. 2. Engine Cleaning: This past weekend Petra and I cleaned our engine. The 110 has a distributer so we had to be very careful around that, but the fuse box in the 110 is in the passenger compartment so that wasn't an issue. We sealed off the distributer and the air intake and used a very light pressure wash to wet everything down as needed. We used an engine cleaning solution that was citrus based as the main cleaning agent. I don't recall the product name but it was very, very effective. We sprayed it on all the main parts that were covered in grime and grease, let it sit for 5 min, and then lightly sprayed the engine down. Almost all of the gunk disappeared. We found all of the original yellow warning stickers still in place in areas that were previously totally black. That which didn't disappear after the first rinse required only a small amount of wiping to clean up. Other than some touch up spots we want to finish and the area around the distributer, the engine is amazingly clean now. I'd suggest the product we used to anyone wanting to clean up layers of grime from their engine realtively easily. If anyone is actually interested, I can post it's name later. 3. Aircraft Anti-Rust Spray: After speaking with a non-NCRC fellow 110 owner I was made aware of some products that pilots use extensively to prevent rust on dissimilar metals because of electrochemical reactions. Does anyone know of such products, and where/how to get them? I know one of the biggest issues with rust on Rovers is because of the electrochemical reaction between aluminum and steel. The way the person I spoke with made it sound, use of this type of product essentially prevented or at least greatly reduced the onset of rust through this process. I'd like to get my hands on some of that stuff. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Thu Nov 8 16:55:53 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA8LtrU06100 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 16:55:53 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 16:55:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200111082155.fA8Ltq706096@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: three issues that might be of interest to others Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If you can't find it locally, last I checked Zinc Chromate primer was available in Qts and Gallons from: http://www.sacskyranch.com/ Not sure about spray cans. -Dave G. From bens Thu Nov 8 21:49:54 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA92ns507484 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 21:49:54 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 21:49:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200111090249.fA92nrn07480@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: upcoming trips Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So I've heard of the upcoming Mendocino trail clearing trip (I can't attend due to "best man" obligations). Are any other people interested in a quick LR expedition over the last November weekend? Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Cotati, Ca __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From bens Fri Nov 9 01:10:43 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA96Ahi09433 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 01:10:43 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 01:10:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200111090610.fA96Aga09429@minbar.fourfold.org> From: SFmms@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Web site for performance parts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org My brother the British motorcycle enthusiast, sent me this link for performance automotive parts: http://www.kalecoauto.com Enjoy! Karen Sindir '74 SIII 88 Red Rufy - Charles may spot me in the Santa Barbara area tomorrow :) '66 SIIa 88 Barbaros - beheaded will be unleaded (I'm a poet) '95 Disco EFE - Okay for now From bens Fri Nov 9 10:14:17 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA9FEHX11970 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 10:14:17 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 10:14:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200111091514.fA9FEGZ11966@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: rovernet@lyris.ccdata.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: (No content): cell phone questions... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I know that this was brought up a year or so ago, BUT - with computer crashes and the like... I am now FREE of that Sprint plan that I was stuck to, and before I give them a penny more, I'd like to hear about other providers that there are, their coverage areas as they REALLY ARE vs. what they claim them to be, and how customers are treated. (I know...may as well save for that satellite phone...) Feel free to email me offlist. Thanks, Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Fri Nov 9 12:33:54 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA9HXsQ12712 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 12:33:54 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 12:33:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200111091733.fA9HXsl12708@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Wendell \"Reed\" Cotton" To: Subject: RE: Web site for performance parts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Now they have some stuff I could really use! -Reed Cotton -----Original Message----- From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org] On Behalf Of SFmms@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 10:11 PM To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Web site for performance parts My brother the British motorcycle enthusiast, sent me this link for performance automotive parts: http://www.kalecoauto.com Enjoy! Karen Sindir '74 SIII 88 Red Rufy - Charles may spot me in the Santa Barbara area tomorrow :) '66 SIIa 88 Barbaros - beheaded will be unleaded (I'm a poet) '95 Disco EFE - Okay for now From bens Fri Nov 9 14:07:50 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA9J7oo13264 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 14:07:50 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 14:07:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200111091907.fA9J7nj13260@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: an interesting sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 33 lines filtered. ] ------_=_NextPart_001_01C16951.CCE973EA charset="iso-8859-1" Now some sightings are just more interesting than others. Like last weekend, when Jason and Petra in their beautiful 110 loomed up in my battle-weary 110's rear view mirror.=20 Or this morning, on 580E in Richmond: a euro spec 110 (left hand drive, with euro license plates (not UK), dark green with white roof above the rain gutters, 5 alloy wheels with 265/75R16 BFG ATs, suspect TDi but couldn't confirm) on a two axle trailer being towed like a bat outa hell by the a guy in a red Dodge van. He waved and was gone-- no way to catch him, even in the heavy commute traffic (I was in the 109). Would love to know the who/why/where/what on that one! Cheers. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C16951.CCE973EA From bens Fri Nov 9 14:04:11 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA9J4BD13234 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 14:04:11 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 14:04:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200111091904.fA9J4Al13230@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hope Peter" To: Subject: Re: Web site for performance parts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > performance automotive parts: > > http://www.kalecoauto.com > > Enjoy! > > Karen Sindir I can't believe someone took the time to create all those 3d models. Kewl site. Thinking about getting one of those 'lowering' kits for the rover for when swmbo is driving. she always complains about how hard it is to get into with the 33's. Pete From bens Fri Nov 9 14:40:43 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA9Jeh113436 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 14:40:43 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 14:40:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200111091940.fA9Jegf13432@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: an interesting sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Now some sightings are just more interesting than others. Like last >weekend, when Jason and Petra in their beautiful 110 loomed up in my >battle-weary 110's rear view mirror. ;-) >Or this morning, on 580E in Richmond: a euro spec 110 (left hand drive, >with euro license plates (not UK), dark green with white roof above the >rain gutters, 5 alloy wheels with 265/75R16 BFG ATs, suspect TDi but >couldn't confirm) on a two axle trailer being towed like a bat outa hell >by the a guy in a red Dodge van. He waved and was gone-- no way to catch >him, even in the heavy commute traffic (I was in the 109). Would love to >know the who/why/where/what on that one! they should pass a law that requires any person hauling or driving a Land Rover to stop and/or slow down for any fellow Land Rover owner, provided the fellow Land Rover owner is in a Land Rover at the time of sighting. the more rare or interesting the Land Rover, the more required it is for the other person to stop and/or slow down. the more interesting or rare the Land Rover the person making the sighting is driving, the longer the stop must be. and so on. ;-) btw Blair, we'll have the info on the shocks and springs for you asap. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com From bens Fri Nov 9 15:57:03 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA9Kv3w13822 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:57:03 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:57:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200111092057.fA9Kv3X13818@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: winches 4 sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I saw this ad in The Santa Rosa Press Democrat: I don't know anything else (about this ad!). JoeM '67 SIIA Ramsey 8000 lb winches (2) with roller fairleads. 1 new in box, $500 1 used, $400 707-542-5869 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From bens Fri Nov 9 16:10:50 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA9LAoU14041 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:10:50 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:10:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200111092110.fA9LAna14037@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Shane Ballensky" To: Subject: Re: an interesting sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've driven a "perfectly restored" 1960 IIA that was built on a new galvanized 110 chassis and had a TD5. He lives in the bay area and the truck is dark metallic green with a white roof. The one you saw with alloys was probally his friends. Shane ----- Original Message ----- > Or this morning, on 580E in Richmond: a euro spec 110 (left hand drive, > with euro license plates (not UK), dark green with white roof above the > rain gutters, 5 alloy wheels with 265/75R16 BFG ATs, suspect TDi but > couldn't confirm) on a two axle trailer being towed like a bat outa hell > by the a guy in a red Dodge van. He waved and was gone-- no way to catch > him, even in the heavy commute traffic (I was in the 109). Would love to > know the who/why/where/what on that one! ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 From bens Fri Nov 9 16:42:59 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA9LgxI14241 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:42:59 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:42:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200111092142.fA9Lgxa14237@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Ed Sanman To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #582 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 16:55:52 -0500 From: "Gomes, David" Subject: RE: three issues that might be of interest to others If you can't find it locally, last I checked Zinc Chromate primer was available in Qts and Gallons from: http://www.sacskyranch.com/ Not sure about spray cans. - -Dave G. Jason - West Marine carries Zinc Chromate primer in spray cans. And, BTW, Boeshield is more like a lubricant. It has some solvents to carry the material, which soon evaporate. I also think West Marine carries Boeshield. Ed From bens Fri Nov 9 17:45:06 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fA9Mj6414580 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 17:45:06 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 17:45:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200111092245.fA9Mj5a14576@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #582 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks very much for the info Ed! Very helpful!!! jpipes >Jason - >West Marine carries Zinc Chromate primer in spray cans. And, BTW, Boeshield >is more like a lubricant. It has some solvents to carry the material, which >soon evaporate. I also think West Marine carries Boeshield. >Ed > -- Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com From bens Fri Nov 9 20:05:11 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAA15B115249 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 20:05:11 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 20:05:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200111100105.fAA15AB15243@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Minis/Watches Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Over the years I remember a few posts from Mini enthusiasts on the list. I've got a friend who wants to buy a classic Mini (not the new BMW/Mini) as a toy car to zip around San Francisco in. If anyone has a lead on one for sale or knows of a site with Minis for sale let me know. I just called Mini Mania to try and talk to (Land Rover owner) Sean Murphy, they told me he was not working there but did let me know that the minimania.com site had some Minis for sale. Kevin Kelly P.S. While I'm off topic I'm also looking for a good watch repair shop in the Bay Area. Something snapped inside the late 50's Omega Seamaster that my Dad gave me 20 years ago when I was setting it. From bens Fri Nov 9 20:05:13 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAA15Dq15258 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 20:05:13 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 20:05:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200111100105.fAA15Do15254@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Cell Phones Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles wrote: >I am now FREE of that Sprint plan that I was stuck to, >and before I give them a penny more, I'd like to hear >about other providers that there are, their coverage >areas as they REALLY ARE vs. what they claim them >to be, and how customers are treated. I got GTE (now Verizion) when I moved up here from San Diego in 1994 and I've been happy with them. It's not perfect, but I've never been anywhere where someone else with another provider had service and I didn't. I bet there has been a 100 times over the years when I had coverage and others didn't. I've been checking my v-mail from Cedar Camp in the Mendocino National Forrest for years and I let a few people use my phone this summer at the camp on the west end of the Rubicon when they could not get out with their phones. Kevin Kelly P.S. I have a good friend who got a "good deal" from Sprint who often has to borrow my phone inside the San Francisco city limits when he can't call out. From bens Fri Nov 9 21:17:30 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAA2HUb15588 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 21:17:30 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 21:17:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200111100217.fAA2HTj15584@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: RN toll free! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I just got the RN holiday flyer and noticed their "new toll free" number. IT'S ABOUT TIME! Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From bens Fri Nov 9 21:34:22 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAA2YME15671 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 21:34:22 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 21:34:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200111100234.fAA2YL015667@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: RN toll free! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org i got it today too. other than the toll free #, i noticed a bunch of neat items: a new stainless steel grill for 90s and 110s, some neato LR greeting cards and some nice assorted LR posters/prints. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com From bens Fri Nov 9 22:19:02 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAA3J2d15867 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 22:19:02 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 22:19:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200111100319.fAA3J1715863@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: /Watches Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I know a place in Sacramento on Riverside blvd that fixed Katherine's Mickey Mouse wrist watch when all the other shops I tried said it was not fixable. Perhaps not an Omega, but does your watch have Mickey's head tilt back and forth as a second hand? cheers, >P.S. While I'm off topic I'm also looking for a good watch >repair shop in the Bay Area. Something snapped inside the >late 50's Omega Seamaster that my Dad gave me 20 years ago >when I was setting it. John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista From bens Fri Nov 9 22:42:54 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAA3gsO15988 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 22:42:54 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 22:42:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200111100342.fAA3gsf15984@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: BP site Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've been perusing the new BP website and I have to say, it's much better! Thank you, TeriAnn JoeMulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From bens Sat Nov 10 00:20:04 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAA5K4A17316 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 00:20:04 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 00:20:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200111100520.fAA5K2v17310@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Minis/Watches Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Speaking of Minis...the Hope Depot that I worked out of today - across the street there's this strip mall, and there was a NICE Mk.1 Cooper S sitting there all day! ...been a while since I've seen a Mini on the street. Charles On Fri, 9 Nov 2001 20:05:10 -0500 "Kevin Kelly" writes: > > Over the years I remember a few posts from Mini enthusiasts > on the list. I've got a friend who wants to buy a classic > Mini (not the new BMW/Mini) as a toy car to zip around San > Francisco in. If anyone has a lead on one for sale or knows > of a site with Minis for sale let me know. I just called > Mini Mania to try and talk to (Land Rover owner) Sean > Murphy, they told me he was not working there but did let me > know that the minimania.com site had some Minis for sale. [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Sat Nov 10 00:43:19 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAA5hJG17545 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 00:43:19 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 00:43:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200111100543.fAA5hIc17541@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: an interesting sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Blair wrote: > Or this morning, on 580E in Richmond: a euro spec 110 (left hand drive, > with euro license plates (not UK), dark green with white roof above the > rain gutters, 5 alloy wheels with 265/75R16 BFG ATs, suspect TDi but > couldn't confirm) on a two axle trailer being towed like a bat outa hell > by the a guy in a red Dodge van. Hmm, sounds just like Frans Schulte-Bisping's D110 Tdi. It's a '98, as I recall, and has German plates and otherwise fits that description. He started up to Mendo with me in April '00 but turned back at Bear Creek after lunch because his little one was getting cranky. He also tried to meet up with me on the Siskiyou trip in July '00 but couldn't find us. I hope he'll make it to camp with us, one of these days. He's a really neat guy and lives in the Philo (Anderson Valley) area. Cheers, Granny From bens Sat Nov 10 01:07:46 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAA67k317675 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 01:07:46 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 01:07:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200111100607.fAA67jt17671@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: an interesting sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Wasn't he on the worldwide list a few years ago????? Charles On Sat, 10 Nov 2001 00:43:18 -0500 "Granville Pool" writes: > > Hmm, sounds just like Frans Schulte-Bisping's D110 Tdi. It's a '98, > as I > recall, and has German plates and otherwise fits that description. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Sat Nov 10 01:45:42 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAA6jgs17880 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 01:45:42 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 01:45:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200111100645.fAA6jgF17876@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Aidan McLeer" To: Subject: Re: Minis/Watches Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Try these. http://www.miniconnection.com/ http://www.turkys.com/ http://www.barnhillminisusa.com/ http://www.miniguy.com/ There is a place in Sacramento that imports cars from Japan, that has a few mini's cheap($4K) but I cant find the link, when I find it I will post it. Later Aidan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 5:05 PM Subject: Minis/Watches > > Over the years I remember a few posts from Mini enthusiasts > on the list. I've got a friend who wants to buy a classic > Mini (not the new BMW/Mini) as a toy car to zip around San > Francisco in. If anyone has a lead on one for sale or knows > of a site with Minis for sale let me know. I just called > Mini Mania to try and talk to (Land Rover owner) Sean > Murphy, they told me he was not working there but did let me > know that the minimania.com site had some Minis for sale. [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 From bens Sat Nov 10 08:52:13 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAADqDP19768 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 08:52:13 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 08:52:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200111101352.fAADqCJ19764@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Web site for performance parts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org No...but possibly on Sunday if I get/take the day off! (a friend is getting married near Solvang - the Cortina's cooling system problem is cured! Though, I've never driven it that far...) :) Charles On Fri, 9 Nov 2001 01:10:42 -0500 SFmms@aol.com writes: > >> Karen Sindir > '74 SIII 88 Red Rufy - Charles may spot me in the Santa Barbara area > tomorrow > :) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Sat Nov 10 08:52:18 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAADqIS19778 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 08:52:18 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 08:52:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200111101352.fAADqH219774@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Cell Phones Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Same here! Sprint has an extremely clear signal - WHEN they have a signal at all! (example: they claim to cover all of New Mexico, however, unless you're in Albuquerque, Santa Fe, or Las Cruces (you can also use the phone in Deming, depending on what direction the wind is blowing!), you can forget it - and that state has cell towers all over the place! Charles On Fri, 9 Nov 2001 20:05:13 -0500 "Kevin Kelly" writes: > > Charles wrote: > > >I am now FREE of that Sprint plan that I was stuck to, > >and before I give them a penny more, I'd like to hear > >about other providers that there are, their coverage > >areas as they REALLY ARE vs. what they claim them > >to be, and how customers are treated. > [ 16 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Sat Nov 10 09:31:32 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAAEVWI19989 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 09:31:32 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 09:31:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200111101431.fAAEVVJ19985@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: BP site Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >I've been perusing the new BP website and I have to >say, it's much better! >Thank you, TeriAnn Considering the old site, better was not hard to do. But I do appriciate your praise for my work. I think the series FAQ and tech info page is fairly decent now. Have you checked out any of the new series catalogue acrobat pages? I'm also creating a new series catalogue for them. Since you are a 109 SW owner you might be interested to note that yesterday I finished and uploaded the page that contains 109 SW elephant hide middle door panels, individual forward middle seat pads & cushions (the bench version is NLA), mid & rear floor mats, and rear side facing elephant hide seats (individual, two person, and three person (109 two door option) versions). Near the front of the new BP series catalogue I added a page that has all the factory recommended service items with their intervals. It should help newish series owners properly maintain their rigs. There is even now a page that has all the normal tune up items on one page. I think you will find things much easier to find in the new catalogue version. I'm hoping they will like the new catalogue enough to want me to go through and redo their other ones. Take care TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Sat Nov 10 12:19:09 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAAHJ9620698 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 12:19:09 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 12:19:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200111101719.fAAHJ8u20694@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Daniel Oppenheim To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Minis/Watches Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Minis are about $1000 in South Africa. Shipping is about the same, and you can get 3 into a container. So for around $4000 you can import 3, combine into one, have spares, sell extras, etc, Just a thought. Daniel At 01:45 AM 11/10/2001 -0500, you wrote: From bens Sat Nov 10 16:10:20 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAALAKj21733 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 16:10:20 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 16:10:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200111102110.fAALAJx21729@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: winches 4 sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Joe, I now owe you a flagon of ale for posting this. I am buying the new one; the slightly used one is still for sale. Seller is Walt Ford in Santa Rosa. Walt is a Land-Rover owner. Thanks, Granny ----- Original Message ----- From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 12:57 PM Subject: winches 4 sale > > I saw this ad in The Santa Rosa Press Democrat: > I don't know anything else (about this ad!). > JoeM > '67 SIIA > > > Ramsey 8000 lb winches (2) with roller fairleads. > 1 new in box, $500 [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Nov 10 16:23:28 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAALNSi21800 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 16:23:28 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 16:23:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200111102123.fAALNR221796@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Shane Ballensky" To: Subject: Re: winches 4 sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I don't know if they are the same model or not but I have seen 8000# ramsey winches for sale new for 399. Price may have changed and I can't remember the place of sale but it was in a magizine like "Fourwheeler" or something. Shane ----- Original Message ----- > I now owe you a flagon of ale for posting this. I am buying the new one; > the slightly used one is still for sale. Seller is Walt Ford in Santa Rosa. > Walt is a Land-Rover owner. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > Ramsey 8000 lb winches (2) with roller fairleads. > > 1 new in box, $500 > [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] > > ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 From bens Sat Nov 10 16:57:01 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAALv1l22002 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 16:57:01 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 16:57:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200111102157.fAALv0F21998@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeremy Bartlett To: Mendo List Subject: Re: an interesting sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sounds like the one Robert Dills (Corte Madera British Car Co.) built up on a rolled Defender VIN; it's running a Td5. He's got a couple more frames from Creed Evans at his shop. Jeremy > Or this morning, on 580E in Richmond: a euro spec 110 (left hand drive, > with euro license plates (not UK), dark green with white roof above the > rain gutters, 5 alloy wheels with 265/75R16 BFG ATs, suspect TDi but > couldn't confirm) on a two axle trailer being towed like a bat outa hell > by the a guy in a red Dodge van. He waved and was gone-- no way to catch > him, even in the heavy commute traffic (I was in the 109). Would love to > know the who/why/where/what on that one! From bens Sat Nov 10 20:06:45 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAB16jK22882 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 20:06:45 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 20:06:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200111110106.fAB16i122878@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Lou Weinert" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: back again Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All this talk of babies in Rovers, on top of 3 weeks of unchecked email, on top of not posting or attending any events for numerous lame reasons....... Ethan Francis Weinert- 9Lbs., 5 oz, 21 inches on 10/24/01 @ 5:22 am. Took his first ride in a Rover from the hospital to home the following Saturday. So far, if its moving he's sleeping. -Lou Weinert _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From bens Sat Nov 10 20:12:11 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAB1CBk22919 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 20:12:11 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 20:12:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200111110112.fAB1CAo22915@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Rob Hamilton, MD" To: Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #583 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Kona Coffee Rover Guy Pete! If you're out there give me a call at 650-575-8313 and leave a message with a phone #. I'm on the Big Island for about 2 more weeks and would love to talk to you! My email access is very sporadic, so better to call me if you don't mind. Thanks in advance, -rh From bens Sat Nov 10 20:12:18 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAB1CIE22930 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 20:12:18 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 20:12:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200111110112.fAB1CId22926@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Rob Hamilton, MD" To: Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #583 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Kona Coffee Rover Guy Pete! If you're out there give me a call at 650-575-8313 and leave a message with a phone #. I'm on the Big Island for about 2 more weeks and would love to talk to you! My email access is very sporadic, so better to call me if you don't mind. Thanks in advance, -rh From bens Sat Nov 10 20:54:29 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAB1sTU23112 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 20:54:29 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 20:54:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200111110154.fAB1sTd23108@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Lou Weinert" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Minis/Watches Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kevin, I know of the guy who Dawydiak (on Franklin in SF) was using to import Minis into the US. His son-in-law is a gaffer I work with occasionally. I'm not sure if he's still doing it. His son-in-law is Damian Lucas 415-626-9130 and would be able to help you. -Lou Weinert _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From bens Sat Nov 10 21:35:51 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAB2Zpp23307 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 21:35:51 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 21:35:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200111110235.fAB2Zo823303@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: Mendo List Subject: Re: Cell Phones Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Kevin Kelly wrote: > I got GTE (now Verizion) when I moved up here from San Diego > in 1994 and I've been happy with them. It's not perfect, > but I've never been anywhere where someone else with another > provider had service and I didn't. I bet there has been a > 100 times over the years when I had coverage and others > didn't. I've been checking my v-mail from Cedar Camp in the > Mendocino National Forrest for years and I let a few people > use my phone this summer at the camp on the west end of the > Rubicon when they could not get out with their phones. The above is generally true, and we have gotten service with Verizon in some pretty remote areas where no one else could. However, today we took advantage of the free entrance to national parks and went to the Grand Canyon. There are no Verizon towers anywhere near there. The only service available is Alltel (who we will never use again). I know Verizon has been trying to get a tower put up there for years, but the Park Service is dragging it's feet. From bens Sat Nov 10 22:56:48 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAB3umk23668 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 22:56:48 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 22:56:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200111110356.fAB3ul623664@minbar.fourfold.org> From: prsncat@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Another sighting... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On the way to Las Vegas on the 15 Freeway I saw a light weight LR on the back of a car transport heading for California. I wonder if someone just bought it and is having it transported. Brian Foster In Las Vegas for Comdex.... From bens Sun Nov 11 09:30:02 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fABEU2X27561 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 09:30:02 -0500 Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 09:30:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200111111430.fABEU1Q27554@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "russell wilson" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: back again Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Lou, Congratulations! On Saturday, November 10, 2001, at 05:06 PM, Lou Weinert wrote: > > All this talk of babies in Rovers, on top of 3 weeks of unchecked > email, on > top of not posting or attending any events for numerous lame > reasons....... > > Ethan Francis Weinert- 9Lbs., 5 oz, 21 inches on 10/24/01 @ 5:22 am. > Took his first ride in a Rover from the hospital to home the following > Saturday. So far, if its moving he's sleeping. [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Nov 11 11:18:29 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fABGITd28037 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 11:18:29 -0500 Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 11:18:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200111111618.fABGIS828033@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: rovernet@lyris.ccdata.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Nobody's talking this weekend! (sightings, then) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Interesting week for sightings: Long Beach, Ca.: Lamborghini Diablo VT/Jota!!! (I've ever ONLY seen thise in photographs: it's the extra-fast one, with computer controlled adjustable venturis in the air intake, this model Diablo is identified by two extra air intakes above the roofline) Chevy Chevelle 454 coupe Mk.1 Cooper S Ferrari Testarosa (2 of them!) Porsche 914-6 (a real one) Singer Gazelle sedan (a real one, too!): haven't seen one of these on U.S. streets in 15 years! Norwalk: Volvo Amazon sitting in backyard International Scout being hauled out of a backyard by it's new owner '65 Corvette coupe sitting in driveway Bellflower: ANOTHER '65 Corvette coupe sitting under car port - along with a '74 VW Thing! (their neighbor that I delivered to tells me they belong to a guy that has a Corvette restoration shop...) Cerritos: late-80's/early '90's Mazda 626 Turbo Sedan, with 4-wheel steering!!! (never knew they even sold those here!) '63 Corvette Coupe (they're all over the damn place this week!!!) Mitsubishi Pajero! (I've seen this one before: both times driven by elder Phillipino man) Huntington Beach (yesterday evening): Mk. 2 Ford Cortina!!!! Huntington Park: '63 Thunderbird coupe - 1 owner car, and has all the dents/signs of mis treatment to prove it! (it's for sale, but for what the owner wants for it, you can buy a restored one for the same price - or less...memories, 'ya know) I'm not saying where or who - because I want it: the ONLY TRUE 1-owner '67 Ford Bronco left in existance, still used by the original owner, still has original license plates, original paint, original equipment, original owners' handbook - EVERYTHING!!! (it's on it's second of tires, because the original set rotted!) It's doesn't have a single dent anywhere - and absolutely NO rust! I was told that it is being "retired" next year, and will be put up for sale, as the owner seems to want something new, and has absolutely no intrest in keeping it. It doesn't have a full hardtop, but rather, a pickup cab! (rare even for a Bronco) No deal will be made anytime soon, but the fewer people that know... No, I'm not converting - but I am certain that this truck would be a real "steal", if I know the owner correctly. That's all the ones that I can recall for now... Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Sun Nov 11 11:30:07 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fABGU7k28107 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 11:30:07 -0500 Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 11:30:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200111111630.fABGU7T28103@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: RE: back again Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Congratulations on the new arrival. He is a big baby!!! From bens Sun Nov 11 12:13:37 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fABHDbX28308 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 12:13:37 -0500 Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 12:13:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200111111713.fABHDai28304@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: winches 4 sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 7 lines filtered. ] Walt is a good guy, he purchased my 5 door last summer for a project of his. Granny, do you happen to have his address? I'm filling out the DMV form for release of liability. They have lost every one of the forms I've sent in for the last four vehicles. Trust them they the Gummint I guess. Zack From bens Sun Nov 11 13:47:03 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fABIl3t28770 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 13:47:03 -0500 Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 13:47:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200111111847.fABIl3v28766@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Ogilvie" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #583 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Got your email. Left a message on your answering machine. If you read this first, give me a call at 325-7898 from the Big Island, add 808 if your calling from another Island or the real world Aloha Peter Ogilvie Kona Coffee Rover 1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering from exposure of the dark side. 1966 109 pickup 'slime' In my garage since '90, finally running. 1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava. 196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust >From: "Rob Hamilton, MD" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: >Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #583 >Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 20:12:18 -0500 > >Hey Kona Coffee Rover Guy Pete! > > If you're out there give me a call at 650-575-8313 and leave a message [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From bens Sun Nov 11 15:48:10 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fABKmAZ29266 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 15:48:10 -0500 Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 15:48:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200111112048.fABKmAT29262@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Minis/Watches Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org For reasons I won't mention here, I'd steer clear of mini mania as I beleive the owner and family really screwed another LR owner.. TomW > > Over the years I remember a few posts from Mini enthusiasts > on the list. I've got a friend who wants to buy a classic > Mini (not the new BMW/Mini) as a toy car to zip around San > Francisco in. If anyone has a lead on one for sale or knows > of a site with Minis for sale let me know. I just called > Mini Mania to try and talk to (Land Rover owner) Sean > Murphy, they told me he was not working there but did let me > know that the minimania.com site had some Minis for sale. [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Sun Nov 11 20:28:56 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAC1Su530513 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:28:56 -0500 Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:28:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200111120128.fAC1StW30509@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org, rovernet@lyris.ccdata.com Subject: Another wrecking yard visit... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All thanks to Alvin. Pick Your Part, N. Blinn Ave., L.A. Harbor: In the front parking lot, a very plain-looking '69 Datsun 510 coupe, complete with 280-Z alloy wheels, side-exit exhaust, and Nitrous Oxide system plummed in! Also, a round-taillight BMW 2002 that was a ex-racer: still had a rollcage, racing seat for driver only, alloy wheels, appeared to have IRS, fire system, and still had a tech inspection sticker on the windshield dated in the 1980's! The car was white, with dark blue stripes atop, and there were still images left from number roundels on the car...probably is still raced (Alvin could make out the number '25'), and it still had the image of a "Yokohama Tires" decal that once lived on the right quarter panel. It also still carried a coupld of BMW sports car club stickers on the rear window...this car probably has some history behind it, yet it's being driven on the streets now! 1 Aussie Capri for sale 1 Aussie Capri in the yard 2 MG Midgets 1 Sterling 827 1 Volvo Amazon (very picked over) 1 NEW Mustang convertible - a "Bullitt" edition!!! (looked like a city bus T-boned it! Not much left at all - even the special wheels were wasted) 1 63(?) Rambler coupe 1 Alfa Romeo Spider/Graduate - hit in R.F. corner Mazda RX-7 GTU! (engine/trans already gone) 4 Toyota Carolla FX-16's! 1 Renault LeCar (R-5 to you, Paul...) Ecology Auto Wrecking - also in the harbor... In the front parking lot - another Datsun 510 Coupe! This one looked pretty beat. 1 First generation Mazda RX-7 for sale $995. Another Alfa Spider - a '76 Alfa Romeo 2000 sedan...circa 1977(?) TWO Opel Mantas - one with carb, the other injected...the injected one was loaded up with Iskenderian Racing Cam stickers...some appeared to be older than the car itself! (maybe belonged to an employee?) 1 Mazda RX-2 sedan 1 Sterling 827 1 1952 Chrysler...(I forgot the model!! Alvin wrote it down...Cranbrook, I think it was...) 2 BMW 2002's (both with square taillights) 1 Pontiac Fiero Formula (6-cylinder) 2 Mercury Capris: both V-6's, one Mk.1, the other a Mk.2 TWO Spitfires: one a 1500, the other a Mk.2!!! 1 very clean Chevy Vega fastback (not a Cosworth, though I've seen them at this yard before...) I think that just about covers it... Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Sun Nov 11 23:02:34 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAC42Yc31195 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 23:02:34 -0500 Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 23:02:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200111120402.fAC42Yg31191@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Odd D90 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The auction lists that this D90 is in Sacramento. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=597766351 Ben From bens Mon Nov 12 00:49:43 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAC5nhu32716 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 00:49:43 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 00:49:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200111120549.fAC5nh332712@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: rovernet@lyris.ccdata.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Just saw the commercial...(no content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...The European-spec 5-door Focus is ON SALE IN THE USA NOW!!!!! May be time to clean house at the Irvin Estate... Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Mon Nov 12 10:23:45 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fACFNjd03027 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:23:45 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:23:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200111121523.fACFNjk03023@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Serious One Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ 14 lines filtered. ] --=====================_4427132==_.ALT Hi Michael, Did you take pictures of the fuel tank, tank filler, and front top retainer hooks by the door handles? Bob B At 03:17 PM 10/31/2001, you wrote: >I'll get the truck up on the lift tomorrow and snap some pics. > >Later, > >Michael --=====================_4427132==_.ALT From bens Mon Nov 12 12:05:51 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fACH5pU03586 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:05:51 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:05:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200111121705.fACH5or03582@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Fw: [rovernet] RE: Interesting sighting... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks, Since I haven't SEEN a new issue of LRO in nearly a year, anybody hear anything about the new Rangie??? Curious, Charles --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Robin Beach" To: "RoverNet Mailing List" Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:54:15 +0000 Subject: [rovernet] RE: Interesting sighting... Message-ID: Just thought I share with the list that last week some time I was getting onto the M42 at Junction 2 when 2 strange looking Range Rovers went around the island. I thought to myself, I bet those are the new Range Rover (I was only about 15 miles from the factory). On the local BBC news that evening they announced the launch of the NEW Range Rover. As Dame Edna would say...spookey. Robin W Beach AT&T Istel >From: Thomas John >Reply-To: "RoverNet Mailing List" >To: "RoverNet Mailing List" >Subject: [rovernet] RE: Interesting sighting... >Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 14:14:53 +0100 > >Hello everyone, > >I've just seen a short notice about the "brand new" unibody-Range Rover. It >says there will be a 4.4 litre >V8 and a 6 cyl Diesel in it. > >Surely these are Ford engines?!!! Or is the unibody-Range a BMW-influenced >product that now >happens to be sold by Ford? Does anyone know, or can point me to an address >where I can find more >infos? > >regards >Thomas --- You are currently subscribed to rovernet as: [cirvin1258@juno.com] To unsubscribe, forward this message to leave-rovernet-14086Q@lyris.ccdata.com RoverNet is sponsored by Classic Car Data (http://www.ccdata.com) Visit the RoverNet Archives at http://misc.nipltd.com/P6ROC/RoverNet.nsf ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Mon Nov 12 12:05:47 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fACH5ln03578 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:05:47 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:05:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200111121705.fACH5l903574@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Fw: [rovernet] RE: Interesting sighting (identified!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If anybody was wondering if I had been drinking when I mentioned this - I apparently wasn't! Charles --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Anders Hedelund Larsen" To: "RoverNet Mailing List" Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:08:53 -0000 Subject: [rovernet] RE: Interesting sighting... Message-ID: It was a Ford Th!nk See http://www.thinkmobility.com Sure enoghh the plastic surface looks like primer. Made in Norway. Ford bought the factory with the car. Anders Hedelund Larsen --- You are currently subscribed to rovernet as: [cirvin1258@juno.com] To unsubscribe, forward this message to leave-rovernet-14086Q@lyris.ccdata.com RoverNet is sponsored by Classic Car Data (http://www.ccdata.com) Visit the RoverNet Archives at http://misc.nipltd.com/P6ROC/RoverNet.nsf ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Mon Nov 12 12:15:21 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fACHFLM03652 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:15:21 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:15:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200111121715.fACHFKk03648@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: [rovernet] RE: Interesting sighting... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...anything about the new Rangie?..." The RRO list had some postings last week for various websites with info. I wasn't interested enough to go look, but you might check the archives for that list by going to: http://land-rover.team.net/pipermail/rro/ -Dave G. From bens Mon Nov 12 12:47:53 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fACHlrc03800 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:47:53 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:47:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200111121747.fACHlqW03796@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Serious One Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Bob, No, I haven't done it yet. The lift has been occupied by a '56 Series One all last week. It should be done early this week, and I'll be sure to get the Serious One up and some shots of the undercarriage done. Thanks for reminding me. Later, Michael >From: Bob & Sue Bernard >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: Serious One >Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:23:45 -0500 > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] > [ 14 lines filtered. ] [ 17 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From bens Mon Nov 12 13:20:28 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fACIKSt03964 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:20:28 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:20:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200111121820.fACIKR803960@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: The Gods must be Crazy I & II Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I think it was Jason Pipes that recommended these movies. I rented both and watched them over the weekend, as I threw my back out on Friday and was completely useless. They're good movies if you don't have anything else to do, I liked them but I'm easy to please. There's more LR shots in the first one than the second, I counted only one Series III in a line of Unimogs in the second movie. Keith From bens Mon Nov 12 14:01:19 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fACJ1Jq04197 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 14:01:19 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 14:01:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200111121901.fACJ1Je04193@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Kieckhefer To: "Mendo Recce (E-mail)" Subject: 109 Brake Question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org My '67 109 has been running like a charm as my daily driver until about a month ago, I picked up a more commuter friendly vehicle. The 109 then developed dragging brakes that lasted most of an entire day....after playing with the pedal.....it finally went away and was fine. Now it's back after sitting in the driveway for 6 days. Feels like the right rear is warmer than it should be, but since it was sitting, I thought : parking brake..... maybe brake pads.....leaking cylinder.....??? Any comments would be greatly appreciated. John K '67 109 (Mutt) From bens Mon Nov 12 15:08:18 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fACK8Ix04537 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:08:18 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:08:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200111122008.fACK8IY04533@minbar.fourfold.org> From: jeff.hurwitz@tecan.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #584 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 416 lines filtered. ] I have just moved to CA and bought my Disco II a short while ago. I think I have seen it in Roberts Shop. He also has a '97 White D90 for sale in his shop I have been drooling over, but I need a long distance comfortable daily driver for right now. I have been in and out of there going through my 00' Disco II. He has replaced the suspension, shocks, added black steel rims, about 3" lift, BFG Muds, Front Safari Guard with a Superwinch 9, Safari rack on top with two Hella 3000's around two Hella 1000's, and two Hella HID Xenon's on the Front Guard to top it off. He's actually mounting the Hi-Lift and a Thule box on the roof this week. It's a Dark Green Disco. I cannot speak highly enough, both Robert and Paul are a great help introducing me to the Land Rover world. Jeff Hurwitz Sausalito From bens Mon Nov 12 18:03:18 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fACN3I705403 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 18:03:18 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 18:03:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200111122303.fACN3Ih05399@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Minis/Watches Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So, are you putting the 'deal' together? What's my price?... Kelly Minnick > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org > [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org]On Behalf Of Daniel Oppenheim > Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 9:19 AM > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: Re: Minis/Watches > > > [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Nov 12 23:53:46 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAD4rko07079 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 23:53:46 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 23:53:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200111130453.fAD4rjx07075@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "russell wilson" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Just saw the commercial...(no content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org 5 door, big deal. I want the WRC version. all-wheel drive, turbo under the hood. Zooooom. On Sunday, November 11, 2001, at 09:49 PM, Charles R Irvin wrote: > > ...The European-spec 5-door Focus is ON SALE IN THE USA NOW!!!!! > > May be time to clean house at the Irvin Estate... > > Charles > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Nov 13 00:32:53 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAD5Wrk08283 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 00:32:53 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 00:32:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200111130532.fAD5WqY08277@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Minis/Watches Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Again, Dang trim feature... So, are you putting the 'deal' together? What's my price?... Kelly Minnick > Minis are about $1000 in South Africa. Shipping is about the same, and you > can get 3 into a container. So for around $4000 you can import 3, combine > into one, have spares, sell extras, etc, Just a thought. > Daniel From bens Tue Nov 13 00:27:13 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAD5RDw08165 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 00:27:13 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 00:27:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200111130527.fAD5RCu08161@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Just saw the commercial...(no content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...Been studying that year-old issue of Racecar Engineering that I have here, eh?... Charles On Mon, 12 Nov 2001 23:53:45 -0500 "russell wilson" writes: > > 5 door, big deal. I want the WRC version. all-wheel drive, turbo > under the hood. Zooooom. > > > On Sunday, November 11, 2001, at 09:49 PM, Charles R Irvin wrote: > > > > > ...The European-spec 5-door Focus is ON SALE IN THE USA NOW!!!!! [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Tue Nov 13 00:53:00 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAD5r0G08412 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 00:53:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 00:53:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200111130553.fAD5r0Y08408@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "russell wilson" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Just saw the commercial...(no content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I do fancy your British Magazine collection but, no I started to lust after the all-wheel drive, turbo focus after seeing it on the WRC series on Speedvision. On Monday, November 12, 2001, at 09:27 PM, Charles R Irvin wrote: > > ...Been studying that year-old issue of Racecar Engineering that I have > here, eh?... > > Charles > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2001 23:53:45 -0500 "russell wilson" > writes: >> [ 16 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Nov 13 11:48:23 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fADGmNZ11796 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:48:23 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:48:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200111131648.fADGmNE11792@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Odd D90 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 32 lines filtered. ] ------_=_NextPart_001_01C16C62.F94D6BC0 charset="iso-8859-1" Ben, Thanks for the eBay link-- I'd seen that popemobile D90 (or one of the other 11??) several times while passing thru Twin Falls and Belleview Idaho over the last few years-- often parked outside a repair shop... Interesting that 12 of them were made(?). If the tour operator had chosen 2-door D110s instead (if they were NAS) you can bet I'd be bidding-- what a camping rig! Cheers. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C16C62.F94D6BC0 From bens Tue Nov 13 14:00:28 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fADJ0SS12440 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:00:28 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:00:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200111131900.fADJ0RD12436@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: The Gods must be Crazy I & II Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Keith, others, It wasn't me that suggested "The God Must Be Crazy I & II..." I've only seen the first one, and that was a long, long time ago. I hardly recall the LRs in it at all! The film that I suggested was called "I Dreamed of Africa" which was something that Granny had mentioned sometime before. It was a good film (aside from the main character calling her ride a j@@p) - there was a TON of LR scenes in it. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com From bens Tue Nov 13 14:07:02 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fADJ72h12489 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:07:02 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:07:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200111131907.fADJ71F12485@minbar.fourfold.org> From: PlaidSkirtChaser@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: I must be Crazy Ser. II Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 5 lines filtered. ] My series 2 deserves to be on the road Someone please come take her away for 3,000 Matt in Napa From bens Tue Nov 13 15:46:33 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fADKkXr12971 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 15:46:33 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 15:46:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200111132046.fADKkWE12967@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: re. 109 Brake Question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John, I had the same problem after completing my 6 month paint job (during which time the truck was not driven). My bet is that you have either sticky wheel cylinder(s) and/or a constricted flex brake hose. Hoses are cheap and relatively easy to replace (compared to messy brake shoe/wheel cylinder overhaul/replacement) so include those if they are old and you start cracking open your hydraulics. Master cylinders don't usually "stick". One going bad will "usually" not hold pressure and give you a sinking pedal effect, however, if it is "very" old it could be grunged up. To get an "indication" of wheel cylinder condition (if you're thinking it may be partially frozen) peel back the cylinder boot and look for corrosion or excess grunge. If you decide to replace the wheel cylinders (at about $40+ ea for 109), you might consider sending them back east to get them sleeved with brass. The finished cost will be a bit more but you'll "never" have any more corrosion problems. This is a good option if you plan on keeping the truck for many more years (that may include extended time in storeage)... As for rebuilding useable cores yourself..........time is money. That's your decision. But since I haven't seen you ohter than that one chance encounter at your kid's basball practice, or for that matter, never at any NCRC or Landrover function, you have no time! Sell the truck as-is to me! (just kidding). In summary, if you don't have recent history on something "hydraulic" that hasn't been regularly used, it's usually safe to assume the worst.... Joe Mulqueen JoeMulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 14:01:19 -0500 From: John Kieckhefer Subject: 109 Brake Question My '67 109 has been running like a charm as my daily driver until about a month ago, I picked up a more commuter friendly vehicle. The 109 then developed dragging brakes that lasted most of an entire day.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From bens Tue Nov 13 16:19:53 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fADLJrP13149 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 16:19:53 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 16:19:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200111132119.fADLJqh13145@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 109 Brake Question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ 39 lines filtered. ] --=====================_25454169==_.ALT Hi John, What Joe Mulqueen said is pretty much what you need. In addition, Check the sluggish wheel for 90 wt contaminating the shoes from a leaky hub seal. Also if you decide to go through the wheel cylinders, before you place the parts order, Be sure all the bleed screws will loosen. Too often they are corroded solidly to the cylinder and will only snap off. So it's the best to find out and include needed cylinders in the order. I imagine the guys that re sleeve them wouldn't be able to remove the screw either. (hard screw, soft cylinder body) When finishing up, I always add a blip of Permatex anti seize to the threads. Also depending where you live, I don't always do it, but using the little rubber booties on the bleed screws will stop the road stuff from getting into the bleed hole and causing corrosion it there. Bob B At 11:01 AM 11/12/2001, you wrote: >My '67 109 has been running like a charm as my daily driver until about a >month ago, I picked up a more commuter friendly vehicle. The 109 then >developed dragging brakes that lasted most of an entire day....after playing >with the pedal.....it finally went away and was fine. Now it's back after >sitting in the driveway for 6 days. Feels like the right rear is warmer >than it should be, but since it was sitting, I thought : parking brake..... >maybe brake pads.....leaking cylinder.....??? > >Any comments would be greatly appreciated. [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] --=====================_25454169==_.ALT From bens Tue Nov 13 18:35:06 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fADNZ6O13887 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:35:06 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:35:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200111132335.fADNZ5G13883@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "G. Mugele" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: LRs in film (not much real LR content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 2:00 PM -0500 11/13/01, Jason Pipes wrote: >The film that I suggested was called "I Dreamed of Africa" which was >something that Granny had mentioned sometime before. It was a good film >(aside from the main character calling her ride a j@@p) - there was a TON of >LR scenes in it. Hi, Wow. You really thought it a good film? I rented it the other night, along with about a dozen others, to deal with the rain and a severe case of procrastination. I was very impressed with all the Land Rover footage and, based on a couple published reviews, expected too much, apparently, from Ms. Bassinger, the screen writer, continuity people, etc. Only the cinema-photographer was above par (way above) in my estimation. Kim DID do a great job of being hysterical, burdened, whiney, desperate, tragic and attractive. The problem is, she was completely undermined by the missing or banal story line/screen play and a nearly total lack of continuity or follow-through. It could hardly be termed disjointed; it was more like a series of vignettes strung together in a sort of chronological order. Was there actually an film editor listed in the credits? The prologue indicated that it's a true story based on the life of a real Kuki Gallman. From the name alone it seems adequately unlikely that this person could have a REAL life. In any case, if there was a real story underneath, it totally missed the mark. I hafta admit that I'm not a fan of director Hugh Hudson's previous work ( Chariots of Fire, Greystoke: The Legend of Tarzan, Lord of the Apes, Revolution, etc.) and therefore, should have been skeptical of this but the lure of Land Rovers on film bewitched me. Just what was the point of the egg hanging over the bed? Gerry (Pauline Kael resurrected) Mugele From bens Tue Nov 13 19:19:50 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAE0Jod14095 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:19:50 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:19:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200111140019.fAE0Jnl14091@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: LRs in film (not much real LR content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Excellent review Ms. Mugele (nee.Kael) "G. Mugele" wrote: > At 2:00 PM -0500 11/13/01, Jason Pipes wrote: > >The film that I suggested was called "I Dreamed of Africa" > Hi, > > Wow. You really thought it a good film? I haven't seen the movie. I did read the book, which is why I didn't see the movie. Sub title could be "Eurotrash Goes to Africa" > Kim > DID do a great job of being hysterical, burdened, whiney, desperate, > tragic and attractive. The problem is, she was completely undermined > by the missing or banal story line/screen play No Gerry, it sounds like the problem is she did accurately portray the protaganist. In fairness to Kuki she did have some tough luck; i.e. kids, husband, etc dying but the book was at times "hysterical, burdened, whiney, desperate, tragic and [not to] attractive". But that's just my opinion Bruce From bens Tue Nov 13 19:37:57 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAE0bvJ14221 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:37:57 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:37:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200111140037.fAE0bub14217@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: LRs in film (not much real LR content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org By stating it was a good film I simply meant it was acceptable, and that the LR content and scenic shots in general made it worth watching. By no means did I mean to suggest that it was good in the traditional filmic sense of the word... ;-) Thanks for the excellent breakdown of the film! Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com From bens Tue Nov 13 20:27:50 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAE1RoB14466 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:27:50 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:27:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200111140127.fAE1Rne14462@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: LRs in film (not much real LR content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason Pipes wrote: > By stating it was a good film I simply meant it was acceptable,. snip...snip > By no means > did I mean to suggest that it was good in the traditional filmic sense of the > word... ;-) And let that be a lesson to you .... :-) BB From bens Tue Nov 13 21:29:59 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAE2Txg14758 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 21:29:59 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 21:29:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200111140229.fAE2TwF14754@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "G. Mugele" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: LRs in film (no LR content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 8:27 PM -0500 11/13/01, Bruce R. Bonar wrote: >Jason Pipes wrote: > > By stating it was a good film I simply meant it was acceptable,. >snip...snip > > By no means > > did I mean to suggest that it was good in the traditional filmic >sense of the > > word... ;-) >And let that be a lesson to you .... :-) Exactly! And I like your suggested title: "Eurotrash Goes to Africa" It's dead on. GGM (dba Pauline Kael, bitch goddess if film criticism) From bens Tue Nov 13 22:19:34 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAE3JYE14994 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:19:34 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:19:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200111140319.fAE3JXs14990@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: LRs in film (no LR content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > And I like your suggested title: "Eurotrash Goes to Africa" > It's dead on. Meanwhile I enjoyed "To Walk with Lions" about George Adamson and creating an African Lion Preserve. It features a number of Series LRs and a 101 FC GS. Ben From bens Tue Nov 13 22:22:53 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAE3Mr015037 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:22:53 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:22:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200111140322.fAE3Mqv15033@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org, Rovernet@lyris.ccdata.com Subject: Fw: LOS ANGELES MG/BRITISH PART AUTOJUMBLE! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just a reminder... Mostly MG stuff, but you just never know what you'll find here (I picked up a HRG Crossflow cylinder head here for $150, and a set of '69 MGB seats with the one-year-only headrests for $20.00!), so if you're looking for something for a project, or something obscure...(not much in the way of LR parts/Rover car parts, but again, you never know...once Pat Y. cleaned his garage here!) Location - aside from the address - is the United States Manufacturing Company. (USMC in green letters on the sides of the building!) I'll be broke from paying bills, but I may show up for the heck of it. Charles --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: rfeibusch@loop.com (Richard Feibusch) To: MorrisMinors@smartgroups.com Cc: morris@autox.team.net, mg-t@autox.team.net, riley@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:00:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: LOS ANGELES MG/BRITISH PART AUTOJUMBLE! Message-ID: LOS ANGELES MG/BRITISH AUTOJUMBLE! * Sunday, November 18th * Pasadena, CA * Yes friends, the LA British Car Meet might have been gone for 2001 but the 28th annual MG Parts Exchange (swap meet) will be going on strong as uaual! Th1s autojumble will be held at a private car park at 180 N. San Gabriel Blvd, Pasadena, California. Thats off the 210 freeway San Gabriel Blvd. or Sierra Madre (south) if coming from the West. It is a fun, laid-back event that brings a number of NorCal folks down for the fun - great folks, great stories, and great deals on obscure parts. Cheers, Rick ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Tue Nov 13 22:22:50 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAE3MoF15029 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:22:50 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:22:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200111140322.fAE3MnU15025@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: The Gods must be Crazy I & II Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Lest we forget: Sheena Dogs of War Late For Dinner Cliffhanger The Specialist The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms (I think that was the one that had all the Series I's in it) X-Files, Season 7, Episode 1( :)...my personal favorite...) and nearly every episode of Dr. Who that starred Tom Baker... :) Charles On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:00:27 -0500 Jason Pipes writes: > > > Keith, others, > > It wasn't me that suggested "The God Must Be Crazy I & II..." I've > only seen > the first one, and that was a long, long time ago. I hardly recall > the LRs > in it at all! [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Tue Nov 13 23:45:00 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAE4j0j15442 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 23:45:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 23:44:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200111140444.fAE4ixa15438@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kelly Minnick" To: "Mendo" Subject: Callaway Freelander Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat_code=carnews&l oc_code=index&content_code=06596869 How about a 250 hp Callaway Freelander! and .93g later. acc... Check it out. Later, Kelly Minnick From bens Wed Nov 14 01:59:08 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAE6x8S17100 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 01:59:08 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 01:59:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200111140659.fAE6x7V17096@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Clarke Williams To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: LRs in film (no LR content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ben, So did I. Good movie and lots of good Land Rover shots. Clarke At 10:19 PM 13-11-01 -0500, you wrote: > >> And I like your suggested title: "Eurotrash Goes to Africa" >> It's dead on. > > Meanwhile I enjoyed "To Walk with Lions" about George Adamson and >creating an African Lion Preserve. It features a number of Series LRs and a >101 FC GS. > >Ben From bens Wed Nov 14 08:45:49 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAEDjnR18956 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:45:49 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:45:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200111141345.fAEDjm318952@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "russell wilson" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: The Gods must be Crazy I & II Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If you want to get really silly, how about "They Call Me Bwana" with Bob Hope. Full of Series Is and IIs. I've only seen it on TV a couple of times and I've never seen it available for rent anyplace. On Tuesday, November 13, 2001, at 07:22 PM, Charles R Irvin wrote: > > Lest we forget: > > Sheena > Dogs of War > Late For Dinner > Cliffhanger > The Specialist > The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms (I think that was the one that had all the [ 27 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Nov 14 10:20:22 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAEFKMO19557 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:20:22 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:20:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200111141520.fAEFKLJ19553@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: LRs in film (not much real LR content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...By stating it was a good film..." Maybe the right words are..."entertaining to me" I liked the scenery and the music....and of course the Land Rovers. Story was pretty lame, but KB's easy on the eyes, IMHO. So all in all.....entertaining. Generally tough to state ANYTHING is "good" or "bad"... :^) -Dave G. PS - has anyone run across the sound track for the movie? From bens Wed Nov 14 13:24:16 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAEIOG401234 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:24:16 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:24:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200111141824.fAEIOFm01230@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: LRs in film (not much real LR content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason & all, Ops, sorry man... looks like you're well loved by the club though... Being born in Virginia, growing up on Hee Haw, Country Music and NASCAR has allowed me to enjoy the "simple things". ~:^) Jason Pipes wrote: > By stating it was a good film I simply meant it was acceptable, and > that the > LR content and scenic shots in general made it worth watching. By no > means > did I mean to suggest that it was good in the traditional filmic sense > of the > word... ;-) > Keith From bens Wed Nov 14 17:13:32 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAEMDW102416 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:13:32 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:13:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200111142213.fAEMDVm02412@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Fw: LOS ANGELES MG/BRITISH PART AUTOJUMBLE! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If you ever get another one of those HRG heads, let me know! James 66 MGB/GT Charles R Irvin wrote: From bens Wed Nov 14 16:53:47 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAELrl302306 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:53:47 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:53:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200111142153.fAELrke02302@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: engine cleaner and sightings... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The engine cleaner I mentioned in my earlier post is by a company called Energy Release. Specifically we used Energy Release Super Concentrated Engine Cleaner, a citrus based cleaner. Like I said, it worked damn good on the built up layers of grease, and damn quick too. If I recall correctly we got it at OSH. They have a website: http://www.energyrelease.com/flash.asp and this stuff is at: http://www.energyrelease.com/products.asp?Family_ID=4 Sightings: Yesterday afternoon, about 6:20pm, while leaving my office at 7th and Harrison in SF I spotted a blue hardtop D90 getting on the south bound freeway onramp. Randy Katz, was that you? This past weekend on Sunday Petra and I drove up to Bolinas via the Fairfax-Bolinas road which (thanks Blair) was a stunning drive if you haven't taken it before. We found the derelict Series III 88 that Joe mentioned in an earlier message to the list. I also found the owner and asked him about it. He said it is a restoration project in waiting and it has 400,000 miles on the clock! After Bolinas we stopped in Stinson Beach and ran into Eric and his wife from NCRC, they drove the silver 88 on the Blue Lakes trip this past summer. They weren't in their LR, but they reconized us in our 110. I must say their ride was equally as nice, an Italian market 1967 Mercedes 280sl Coupe found in a barn near Grass Valley! Very nice! Just seconds after Eric and his wife took off around the corner came a crisp, mint condition red Series II or III 88 with white hard top. It flew around the corner and went on down hwy 1. We tailed them for a few miles and managed a meek wave or two, but didn't seem to get any response. Oh well. It was nice to look at anyway. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com From bens Wed Nov 14 21:03:16 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAF23Gv03659 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:03:16 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:03:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200111150203.fAF23F303655@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "APG:AdventureOz" To: Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #586 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ref: African movies and LRs - We're seeing a few LRs in images coming out of Afghanistan right now. Solange PS We have changed our ISP and want very much to retain membership on the Mendo Recce list. We promise to keep our Land Rovers (Series 2A 109 SW and newly acquired Series 3 88 ute) off road as much as on. Thank you kindly - and Cheers, Theodore (Ted) and Solange Bennett Canberra - AUSTRALIA The new ISP is apg@bigfoot.com.au (replacing the now defunct apg@interact.net.au) **************************************************************************** ************************************************************** TTJD & SM Bennett APG:AdventureOz Outback Photojournalism and Cine Production ABN 61514390129 apg@bigfoot.net.au Canberra - AUSTRALIA (+61-2) (02) 62887527, (fax)62886738, 0429 620968(Rural mobile), 0403 160377 (City/Urban GSM Msge & txt) US/WASN C. TJD_SMB CAN_AU 2000 180140 **************************************************************************** **************************************************************** From bens Wed Nov 14 22:31:41 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAF3VfF04054 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 22:31:41 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 22:31:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200111150331.fAF3VfJ04050@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: The Gods must be Crazy I & II Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It is on videotape, though I haven't seen it in any stores in a year or two. As for the film itself, I haven't seen it in so long, I can't even recall seeing ANY Land Rovers in it!!! (I was kinda young...) Charles On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:45:48 -0500 "russell wilson" writes: > > If you want to get really silly, how about "They Call Me Bwana" with > Bob > Hope. Full of Series Is and IIs. I've only seen it on TV a couple > of > times and I've never seen it available for rent anyplace. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Thu Nov 15 00:53:34 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAF5rYD05730 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 00:53:34 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 00:53:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200111150553.fAF5rYH05726@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: I can't believe Russ didn't mention it... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This past Monday, Russ took delivery of newly galvanized parts - Gambrinus! Beforewhich, he helped me to move 8 of the 10 vehicles that were already occupying space at Casa De Irvin, to make room for his own. I now have both MGB-GT's on the patio, ready to be operated on, the SD1 is on jackstands, the TR3, and Cortina #2 have been relegated to the inner sanctum of the backyard - along with the Jag. (which didn't move since the last time he, Ben, and I all moved it to its present spot!) We also had to move both Land and Rangie, and the Heinzmobile, to clear enough space to move parts Gambrinus into the backyard! In all, it was a busy day. Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Thu Nov 15 01:26:53 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAF6QrI05953 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 01:26:53 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 01:26:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200111150626.fAF6Qqq05949@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "russell wilson" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: I can't believe Russ didn't mention it... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Lies, all lies. > > This past Monday, Russ took delivery of newly galvanized parts - > Gambrinus! > The ashtray and sunvisor brackets > Beforewhich, he helped me to move 8 of the 10 vehicles that were already > occupying space at Casa De Irvin, These are all scale models that, in reality, live on a shelf in Charles's office. He likes to pretend that they are real though. Moving little cars that fit in your hand is just no big deal. > I now have > both MGB-GT's on the patio, ready to be operated on, the SD1 is on > jackstands, the TR3, and Cortina #2 have been relegated to the inner > sanctum of the backyard It's just easier to nod and smile when he starts to ramble like this..... Cheers, From bens Thu Nov 15 01:21:02 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAF6L2Q05911 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 01:21:02 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 01:21:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200111150621.fAF6L1u05907@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "russell wilson" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: The Gods must be Crazy I & II Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ahhhhhh You and I will fight next time I'm over at your house. You nut case, this movie is FULL of rovers. Ahhhhh Now I HAVE to find it on video just to prove you wrong. later On Wednesday, November 14, 2001, at 07:31 PM, Charles R Irvin wrote: > > It is on videotape, though I haven't seen it in any stores in a year or > two. As for the film itself, I haven't seen it in so long, I can't even > recall seeing ANY Land Rovers in it!!! (I was kinda young...) > > Charles > > On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:45:48 -0500 "russell wilson" > writes: [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Nov 15 03:47:58 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAF8lwB06568 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 03:47:58 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 03:47:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200111150847.fAF8lwN06564@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Discovery help Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Pam called from school tonight and stated that the transmission temp light came on. She looked in the manual and it stated that the light could be on for these reasons: 1. Hand brake applied while driving. 2. Very hot weather during continuous high speed driving. 3. Towing a heavy load on steep inclines. We didn't meet any of these parameters as she's not towing and the car was sitting for hours and was started from cold. When she arrived at home I checked the following: Excessive heat from the transmission - no it was just warm. Excessive heat from the hand (drum) brake - no it was cool to warm. Transmission fluid - warm to the touch, clear and no "burned" smell. (It was a short drive home) I'll check the fluid level in the morning when it's: 1. Cold 2. Engine running 3. Transmission in neutral Has anyone had this problem before? I'm thinking it's the sensor. Thanks, Keith 97 Discovery XD From bens Thu Nov 15 07:19:12 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAFCJCg07580 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 07:19:12 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 07:19:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200111151219.fAFCJB907572@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: The Gods must be Crazy I & II Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey...I was only 8 years old last time I saw that flick, and I didn't even know what a Land Rover was back then! ...Well...except for Farenheit 451...wasn't there a FX firetruck in that??? Been too long since I saw that one, too. OH - A Clockwork Orange...a Police 109SW! Charles On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 01:21:01 -0500 "russell wilson" writes: > > Ahhhhhh You and I will fight next time I'm over at your house. > You > nut case, this movie is FULL of rovers. Ahhhhh Now I HAVE to find > it > on video just to prove you wrong. > > later > On Wednesday, November 14, 2001, at 07:31 PM, Charles R Irvin wrote: [ 14 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Thu Nov 15 07:19:12 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAFCJC507584 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 07:19:12 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 07:19:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200111151219.fAFCJCE07579@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: I can't believe Russ didn't mention it... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yes...the poor lad is still in denial of the fact that he now has no reason for not working on his Dormie! I DID thank him for that nice chassis that he just gave me: Gillian can REALLY use that! Heck, I may even convert her into a 5-door! All those nice, shiny parts... :) Charles On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 01:26:52 -0500 "russell wilson" writes: > > Lies, all lies. > > > > This past Monday, Russ took delivery of newly galvanized parts - > > Gambrinus! > > > The ashtray and sunvisor brackets > > > Beforewhich, he helped me to move 8 of the 10 vehicles that were [ 19 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Thu Nov 15 11:13:36 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAFGDaT08884 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:13:36 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:13:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200111151613.fAFGDa808880@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hope Peter" To: Subject: Re: I can't believe Russ didn't mention it... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > Beforewhich, he helped me to move 8 of the 10 vehicles that were already > > occupying space at Casa De Irvin, > > These are all scale models that, in reality, live on a shelf in > Charles's office. He likes to pretend that they are real though. > Moving little cars that fit in your hand is just no big deal. hahahahahahha Sounds like my office then. 33 Land Rovers, couple of Triumphs, Fj-40, 66 Vette, 67 Mustang, and a Tiger I. Pete From bens Thu Nov 15 12:14:16 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAFHEGK09214 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:14:16 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:14:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200111151714.fAFHEFr09210@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Randy H. Katz" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cc: jpipes@csd.uwm.edu Subject: LR sightings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:53:46 -0500 >From: Jason Pipes >Subject: engine cleaner and sightings... > >Sightings: > >Yesterday afternoon, about 6:20pm, while leaving my office at 7th and >Harrison in SF I spotted a blue hardtop D90 getting on the south bound >freeway onramp. Randy Katz, was that you? Sorry not me. I was in Switzerland last week (Lausanne/Geneva), and saw a huge number of Land Rovers, mostly spanking new 110s and big black Range Rovers, but not a single D90 and only a handful of the downscale Discos. 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    From bens Thu Nov 15 17:16:38 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAFMGch10697 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:16:38 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:16:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200111152216.fAFMGbn10693@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: winching with a high lift jack Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Whether or not the strap will work depends on how hard you have to yank the vehicle. Sometimes the recovery strap is ok (especially if doubled or tripled). Tree straps that don't give are usually okay. Chain is always there for you. Also important to consider that in order to work the jack, you need to put yourself in harms way. I think this is the best argument for the chain, since it doesn't snap like a strap would if something unforseen happens. Check out Bill Burke's article. I'm sure he would answer any questions you have with lots more first hand experience than most of us. http://www.bb4wa.com/articles/hilift_jack.htm Lots of disclaimers on your article I'd think. It takes even more care and smarts to recover using the jack than it does to use the winch, IMHO. -Dave G. From bens Thu Nov 15 22:58:54 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAG3wso12384 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:58:54 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:58:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200111160358.fAG3wrF12380@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: LR sightings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Topanga Canyon Rd. this afternoon: Green D-90 SW (aluminum top) PCH also this afternoon...too many Rangies to mention, even a customer I delivered to had a '89 - we talked for a l o n g time, eventually trading phone numbers. Too many Discos to mention along the same route. In various other places today... 1 '68 MGB-GT 1 Spit 1500 1 Hemi 'Cuda 1 Charger R/T 1 '68 Mustang "California Special"...third one I've seen in as many weeks! Whittier on Tuesday: Lamborghini Diablo painted "Hemi Orange"! Nash Metropolitan ...Did I mention that the Pick Your Part on North Blinn ( L.A. Harbor) has a NEW Mustang "Bullitt" edition? Looks as if it went up against a city bus - and lost! Those new cars bend so easily - not a single straight panel left on it: even the floorpan was ripped from the sill welds!!!!! (no new Mustangs for me!) Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Fri Nov 16 03:27:50 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAG8RoI14704 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 03:27:50 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 03:27:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200111160827.fAG8RoS14700@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kelly Minnick" To: "Mendo" Subject: FS '89 R.Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Last call! Too many vehicles... '89 Range Rover, runs great (recent rebuild), great tires (thanks Shane), lots of new, etc. etc. $5500. Will have picts & info soon on my web site. '86 BMW 535i - See info at: http://www.roadfly.com/bmw/classifieds/cars/detail.jump?SKU=1005723486801828 7 $3300. I'm in Ridgecrest, CA. Later, Kelly Minnick From bens Fri Nov 16 04:02:50 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAG92oe14885 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 04:02:50 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 04:02:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200111160902.fAG92nQ14881@minbar.fourfold.org> From: PlaidSkirtChaser@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: FS '89 R.Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 8 lines filtered. ] want to trade a 1960 ser 2 for a 89 Ronge rover =) > Matt in Napa > > From bens Fri Nov 16 09:24:18 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAGEOIp16371 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:24:18 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:24:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200111161424.fAGEOHt16367@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hope Peter" To: Subject: Re: LR sightings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Topanga Canyon Rd. this afternoon: > PCH also this afternoon...too many Rangies to mention Hey, you coulda stopped by my brother in laws :-) That stretch of PCH has never failed for sightings of newer vehicles. Except for the past trip used to always see at least one Series vehicle also. Pete From bens Fri Nov 16 09:59:42 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAGExgJ16609 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:59:42 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:59:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200111161459.fAGExfq16604@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: FS '89 R.Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ 20 lines filtered. ] --=====================_4806188==_.ALT Hi Matt, I'd trade a 72 Datsun pickup for it. Might even throw in the shell for it. Bob B At 01:02 AM 11/16/2001, you wrote: > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] > [ 8 lines filtered. ] > > >want to trade a 1960 ser 2 for a 89 Ronge rover =) > > > Matt in Napa > > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] --=====================_4806188==_.ALT From bens Fri Nov 16 11:04:07 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAGG47t16953 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:04:07 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:04:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200111161604.fAGG47v16949@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: FS '89 R.Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ 36 lines filtered. ] --=====================_8680868==_.ALT Hi Again, I think this wasn't real clear! I would trade for Matt's 88. But then I would probly trade for the Ronge Rover also. Why not? Bob B At 06:59 AM 11/16/2001, I wrote: > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] > [ 20 lines filtered. ] >--=====================_4806188==_.ALT > >Hi Matt, >I'd trade a 72 Datsun pickup for it. Might even throw in the shell for it. > >Bob B [ 15 additional quoted lines pruned. ] --=====================_8680868==_.ALT From bens Fri Nov 16 12:20:51 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAGHKpB17365 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:20:51 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:20:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200111161720.fAGHKpX17361@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: FS '89 R.Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry Matt. I need the $$. Later, Kelly Minnick > want to trade a 1960 ser 2 for a 89 Ronge rover =) From bens Fri Nov 16 13:07:42 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAGI7gH17641 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:07:42 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:07:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200111161807.fAGI7fq17637@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Discovery help Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Most likely candidate is the sensor went bad. I'd get a new one for $~~20 and throw it in there. TomW > Pam called from school tonight and stated that the transmission temp > light came on. She looked in the manual and it stated that the light > could be on for these reasons: > > 1. Hand brake applied while driving. > > 2. Very hot weather during continuous high speed driving. > > 3. Towing a heavy load on steep inclines. [ 24 additional quoted lines pruned. ] *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Fri Nov 16 13:40:27 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAGIeRD17878 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:40:27 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:40:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200111161840.fAGIeRv17874@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Randy H. Katz" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #588 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Today, 0620, heading North on the Embarcadero I saw a blue hardtop D90 just before the Ferry Building. Could be the one that Jason saw a couple of days ago. There was also a white fibertop D90 with a big dog in the back parked on Spear near Mission last night. D90s seem to sprout like mushrooms when the rain comes (in fact, mine is sprouting mushrooms itself due to the usual water leakage problem!). > >Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:53:46 -0500 > >From: Jason Pipes > >Subject: engine cleaner and sightings... > > > >Sightings: > > > >Yesterday afternoon, about 6:20pm, while leaving my office at 7th and > >Harrison in SF I spotted a blue hardtop D90 getting on the south bound > >freeway onramp. Randy Katz, was that you? From bens Fri Nov 16 13:35:56 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAGIZur17853 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:35:56 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:35:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200111161835.fAGIZto17849@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: winching with a high lift jack Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Drop an E-mail to Bill Burke "the definative hi-lift guru" IMHO.. I suspect he will say chain.... If you need his e-mail leme know.. TomW > > I was curious to find out the recommended winching technique with a hi lift? > Strap or chain? would one work better than the other? I thought I read > somewhere that a strap has too much give to it, since the hilift can only > winch forward so far? This is research for a newsletter article. > > -Rob > > *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Fri Nov 16 14:29:57 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAGJTvc18116 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:29:57 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:29:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200111161929.fAGJTuB18112@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: winching with a high lift jack Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org No reason not to use a strap, as long as it's not a kinetic recovery strap. If you're pulling so hard that a sufficiently rated nylon strap is stretching you probably can't pull it out with a hi-jack anyway. Elasticity of nylon is about 16%, polyester about 11%. Besides, I'm not going to add 30 feet of chain to my recovery gear. A 3/8" chain, equal in strength to my tow straps if it's grade 80 alloy, weighs 1.42 pounds per foot. That's 6.5 times what a equivilent nylon strap weighs. Just what I need, 100 pounds of chain for ballast. I do, however, carry a short length, 4-6 feet, with one slip hook and one grab hook for special applications. Just my humble opinion. Bruce > > I was curious to find out the recommended winching technique with a hi lift? > > Strap or chain? would one work better than the other? I thought I read > > somewhere that a strap has too much give to it, since the hilift can only > > winch forward so far? This is research for a newsletter article. From bens Fri Nov 16 15:13:33 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAGKDXu18394 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:13:33 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:13:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200111162013.fAGKDXL18390@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: winching with a high lift jack Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org How do you get the length of the strap right between the jack and the anchor? With a chain you have a lot of adjustment. Is there some trick I don't know about? "Bruce R. Bonar" wrote: From bens Fri Nov 16 15:20:53 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAGKKrW18453 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:20:53 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:20:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200111162020.fAGKKr018449@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: winching with a high lift jack Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....How do you get the length of the strap right between the jack and the anchor?..." Strap is usually an extension. Chain makes the adjustable section. -Dave G. From bens Fri Nov 16 15:35:48 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAGKZmU18542 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:35:48 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:35:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200111162035.fAGKZmh18538@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Sightings in Cupertino & Disco problem update Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org There's a late 80's white Range Rover in the Nob Hill parking lot at De Anza and 85 in Cupertino. It's been sitting there for months and it's real dirty. The owner took the Land Rover oval off the tail gate and replaced it with Ford oval and a black "Power by Ford" sticker. Anyone's storage spot? I saw a nice "White" 93 Defender 110 on Wednesday at 12:20 pulling into the Cupertino City Hall offices. I honked from my Series IIA and he waved, anyone on the list? Covered on the 97 Disco XD warranty was a leaky front main seal, transmission oil line and the faulty transmission sensor. Thank you!!!! Keith 69 Series IIA 109 97 Disco XD From bens Fri Nov 16 15:42:14 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAGKgE518575 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:42:14 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:42:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200111162042.fAGKgEG18571@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: winching with a high lift jack Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So, how much chain would I need to haul around if I were to use this system? "Gomes, David" wrote: From bens Fri Nov 16 16:07:06 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAGL76N18727 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:07:06 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:07:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200111162107.fAGL75h18723@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: winching with a high lift jack Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...how much chain would I need...." Visit http://www.bb4wa.com and go to the Articles section. Bill has a good one about Hi-Lifts that includes what should be in your "kit" -Dave G. From bens Fri Nov 16 16:35:18 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAGLZI118873 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:35:18 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:35:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200111162135.fAGLZHn18869@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: winching with a high lift jack Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bill Burke suggests we carry some amount of chain. At this point I have none in the Rover however. TomW > > No reason not to use a strap, as long as it's not a kinetic recovery strap. If > you're pulling so hard that a sufficiently rated nylon strap is stretching you > probably can't pull it out with a hi-jack anyway. Elasticity of nylon is about > 16%, polyester about 11%. > > Besides, I'm not going to add 30 feet of chain to my recovery gear. A 3/8" chain, > equal in strength to my tow straps if it's grade 80 alloy, weighs 1.42 pounds per > foot. That's 6.5 times what a equivilent nylon strap weighs. Just what I need, [ 17 additional quoted lines pruned. ] *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Fri Nov 16 16:35:13 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAGLZD718864 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:35:13 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:35:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200111162135.fAGLZDw18860@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sightings in Cupertino & Disco problem update Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The white rangie He is the master black belt at ernie rayes tai kwon doe which is in that complex. There is a chevy 350 engine in the vehicle done by a firm in Reno I believe. TomW > > There's a late 80's white Range Rover in the Nob Hill parking lot at De > Anza and 85 in Cupertino. It's been sitting there for months and it's > real dirty. The owner took the Land Rover oval off the tail gate and > replaced it with Ford oval and a black "Power by Ford" sticker. > Anyone's storage spot? I saw a nice "White" 93 Defender 110 on > Wednesday at 12:20 pulling into the Cupertino City Hall offices. I > honked from my Series IIA and he waved, anyone on the list? Covered on > the 97 Disco XD warranty was a leaky front main seal, transmission oil [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Fri Nov 16 16:36:52 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAGLaqS18900 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:36:52 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:36:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200111162136.fAGLaqq18896@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hope Peter" To: Subject: Re: winching with a high lift jack Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > So, how much chain would I need to haul around if I were to use this > system? I have a 20' section of chain plus two 30-40' sections of cable that I have to use as extensions for the Loenig. Pete From bens Fri Nov 16 19:13:43 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAH0DhX19765 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:13:43 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:13:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200111170013.fAH0DhO19761@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Question about old style RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I am thinking about maybe replace my current DiscoII with preferablly a old style RR (preferably 94'-95') for a expedition work/mods. Any comments and experience? My primary reason here is the cost. If I keep my DII, I wouldn't have too much money to do everything a serious expedition requires. D110 would be ideal but too expensive. Series III 109 or early 110 is hard to find, also a little too old so might cost more eventually. With some mods on suspensions and axle, an ols style RR might be nice, I guess. As I observed, I think people can get a good RR for a very good price. I love my DII so much; it's a perfect truck, but I think I need to make a decision. Please drop me any suggestions/comments. Thanks Charles Phu _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From bens Fri Nov 16 19:38:13 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAH0cDj19878 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:38:13 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:38:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200111170038.fAH0cC819874@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Question about old style RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles: Here's what you do. Sell the DII, have NO regrets (I know, easier said than done....) Buy '94 RR County LWB. Buy bumpers, winch, lockers, sliders, rear bumper, lights, etc... You'll get the LWB for around 12-14K, and be into the whole truck for under 20K. DEFINITELY get the LWB. Oh, you'll want to get the springs swapped out and some bigger tires. Have fun! Later, Michael >From: "charles chuan-chen phu" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Question about old style RR >Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:13:43 -0500 > >I am thinking about maybe replace my current DiscoII with preferablly a old >style RR (preferably 94'-95') for a expedition work/mods. Any comments and >experience? [ 19 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From bens Fri Nov 16 19:45:16 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAH0jGA19920 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:45:16 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:45:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200111170045.fAH0jFW19916@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Question about old style RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Go with the D110! ;-) Seriously, RRs can indeed be found fairly cheap, like under 8,000 in great shape. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Fri Nov 16 20:14:12 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAH1ECw20102 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:14:12 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:14:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200111170114.fAH1EBr20098@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: winching with a high lift jack Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org That's why I carry the short section, 4-6 feet, of chain. Used in some combination with my 3 different length straps I figure I can always make it work somehow. You can adjust strap lengths by doubling them etc. BB James Howard wrote: > So, how much chain would I need to haul around if I were to use this > system? > > "Gomes, David" wrote: From bens Fri Nov 16 20:57:47 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAH1vl920323 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:57:47 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:57:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200111170157.fAH1vkV20319@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Question about old style RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sure, D110 is my dream truck! but.....:( Can we get RR LWB even close as rugged as D110? Is HD axle suggested for RR LWB/SWB for expedition purpose? charles phu >> >Charles: > >Here's what you do. > >Sell the DII, have NO regrets (I know, easier said than done....) > >Buy '94 RR County LWB. > [ 16 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From bens Fri Nov 16 20:59:44 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAH1xiC20334 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:59:44 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:59:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200111170159.fAH1xiN20330@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hope Peter" To: , Subject: 88" weight Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Finally got over to the scrap yard today to see just how much the project weighs in at. I removed the rollcage and have a hard top. Standard model 88, petrol. No back seats. 1/2 tank of gas. Only thing in the vehicle was the spare and a hi-lift. No driver even. she weighs 3981 lbs. hmmm spec is 2900, payload off 1400, so mach weight is 4300 lbs. So looks like I have tracked down one of my performance problems. Add in me, the tools box, box of chains, cooler and the dog, and I beleive I am pushing the envelope. :-( Time to rethink engines again :-( laters Pete From bens Fri Nov 16 20:50:01 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAH1o1F20274 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:50:01 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:50:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200111170150.fAH1o0m20269@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Question about old style RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason, I wouldn't be so lucky as you being able to find such a great truck/deal!!:) Charles Phu > >Go with the D110! ;-) > >Seriously, RRs can indeed be found fairly cheap, like under 8,000 in great >shape. > >Jason Pipes >jpipes@feldgrau.com >www.feldgrau.com [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From bens Fri Nov 16 23:08:49 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAH48nX24989 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 23:08:49 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 23:08:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200111170408.fAH48mf24985@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Question about old style RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, you wrote... >can we get RR LWB even close as rugged as D110? Is HD axle suggested for RR >LWB/SWB for expedition purpose? > >charles phu Yes you can get it close, but why would you want to??? The LWB is a MUCH better traveling car IMO (no flames please). Granted, the 110's have more 'cool' factor, but the LWB's have several features that the 110's dont. They (again, IMO) make the LWB even more desirable for an expedition vehicle, especially if you add an ARB rack to the roof to carry the stuff that the 110 would beat it with in load carrying capacity. Sit in the rear seat of a 110 for 2 hours off-road then sit in the LWB's rear seat for 4 hours off-road and tell me which truck you'd rather have then. ;) The main reason you'd want to upgrade the axles is because the front CV joints can be weakened from extreme abuse. If the truck has seen mostly pavement, and won't be wheeled extremely hard, then you don't need to do anything to the axles. IF you plan to do something a little more serious then the GBR CV's are a good option. Honestly, if you want a 110 and are going crazy trying to decide why you should get a LWB instead, get the 110. If your goal is to make an economical, practical, effective expedition vehicle, then get the LWB and take the 30K you saved and trick it out and go somewhere cool. Later, Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From bens Sat Nov 17 01:18:02 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAH6I2v31516 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 01:18:02 -0500 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 01:18:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200111170618.fAH6I1x31512@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Question about old style RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It seems RR is the way to go. What's the pros and cons of LWB's 4.2L? is it good reliability wise? and compared with SWB's 3.9? cp >From: "Polla Slade" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: Question about old style RR >Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 23:08:48 -0500 > >Charles, you wrote... > > >can we get RR LWB even close as rugged as D110? Is HD axle suggested for [ 38 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From bens Sat Nov 17 02:23:40 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAH7Nel31820 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 02:23:40 -0500 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 02:23:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200111170723.fAH7NdY31816@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Question about old style RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'd agree that the NAS 110 isn't a practical vehicle. They are rare enough that they command a much higher price, and they are certainly less posh than a LWB RR. That being said, and casting all practicality side, 110s aren't what they are soley on the cool factor alone, in my opinion. The rear salisbury axel is nearly impossible to break and the very limited number of electronic gadgets means fewer things to eventually need repair (two very good examples). I've also found that working on the 110 is exceedingly easy, and this is from someone who 3 years ago knew next to nothing about cars in general. I've been able to actually do work, or learn about it directly, very quickly with this vehicle. And when doing the work, it's generally been easy, that is, things aren't difficult to reach, access, replace, etc. NAS 110s don't have to worry about air suspensions, which RRs have. Airbags are another thing to consider, RRs have them, 110s don't (which can be a good thing or a bad thing, depending on how you look at it). There are very few things that one needs to do to a NAS 110 to make them excellent trail and expedition vehicles. In fact, you don't have to do anything to them really, just get in them and go. But for under 1,300 bucks you can install excellent quality OME shocks and springs and BFG MTs (for example) and essentially run through, and over, just about anything. Next to nothing else needs to be done. Just get in and go. Something else I've found is that, unlike my Disco, the 110 is refreshingly devoid of unwanted crap on the inside and outside of the vehicle. No plastic moldings, mounts, caps, covers, linings, and odds and ends to get in the way of your gear or customization project. Flat lines and a utiliatarian interior mean ease of access and utilization with little effort. That is one thing I think is key to an expedition vehicle. On the comfort side, I'd have to say they can indeed be rough depending on how you drive, where you drive, and what you do to your suspension. That aside, although I may be classified as being a nutcase, I love driving the 110, there really isn't anything quiet like it. I loved my old Disco, but the Defender is really fun to drive in a rough, earthy kinda way. ;-) You have to enjoy a bizzare dash layout, non-leather seats, no electronic anything, and a lousy stereo though! It's all part of the idiosyncrasy of the vehicle. Ever try driving with the oil pressure gauge on the far side next to the passenger? Maybe they wanted to involve the passenger in the full driving experience, checking maps, shouting oil pressure gauge readings, etc. A co-pilot of sorts... I would also conjecture that if one really wanted a NAS 110, they can be found, and some aren't that expensive. I've seen many examples well over 50k, but I've also seen some just a nose above 30k, which is far less than a new Disco SII. A nice factor of the NAS 110 also is that they will likely always hold their value. I can't ever see their value going down much over time due to normal depreciation. So, what does all this mean??? Nothing. I'm crazy, there are few 110s, if you really want one, find one, you'll love it, a RR is likely a hellofa lot more comfy, the 110 is damn utilitarian, and they are both awsome LRs in the end!! Sorry for blathering on like this... jpipes >Yes you can get it close, but why would you want to??? The LWB is a MUCH >better traveling car IMO (no flames please). Granted, the 110's have more >'cool' factor, but the LWB's have several features that the 110's dont. >They (again, IMO) make the LWB even more desirable for an expedition >vehicle, especially if you add an ARB rack to the roof to carry the stuff >that the 110 would beat it with in load carrying capacity. > >Sit in the rear seat of a 110 for 2 hours off-road then sit in the LWB's >rear seat for 4 hours off-road and tell me which truck you'd rather have [ 25 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Sat Nov 17 03:19:43 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAH8Jhx32110 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 03:19:43 -0500 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 03:19:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200111170819.fAH8Jgb32106@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Rich Lee To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Winching with a High Lift Jack Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi All, Funny this topic should come up. The following is a post I put up on the Discoweb site this week, in response to the same question. I hope it helps. This article by Bill Burke article is a good place to start. http://www.bb4wa.com/articles/hilift_jack.htm In the past year have "winched" my Disco twice with a 4' High Lift. The first time up a very steep, rutted hill with a loose soil edge leading to a "death drop". I couldn't back down safely as the rear end had already slid too far toward the edge. The Jack worked fine, but you really need to have someone in the vehicle to control/cajole it along with engine & steering. With a winch, you could both drive and work the winch via the remote all by your lonesome, something you can't do with either a High Lift or one of the newer cable winches. The second pull occurred in axle-deep mud, as thick as potter's clay. I had to "Jack" the truck about 60' back up a twisty hill, with several re-sets of my anchor to different trees. Took us almost 2 hours I also used it to tension a 150' "tyrolealn traverse" (zip line) at my kids' school fair. Lastly, this Sunday I used it to right some kid's Toyota Tacoma 4x4 that had rolled onto it's side after he blew a pass on a wet, twisty mountain road (the top of Page Mill Rd.) I am currently teaching in a C.E.R.T course (Community Emergency Response Team) for FEMA in our local community and have offered "High Lift 101" as an optional course extension. It is a wonderful tool! The more you use it, the better you get at it, and the more you will also appreciate the day when you do get a winch (still waiting for that day). If you are going to winch with a High Lift, you will need at least all of the items in Bill's article. I do not use a tree strap but simply wrap a tow strap around the tree many times to adjust the end lengths (and reduce stretch). Two items I would add to improve safety and efficiency of jack-winching are two lengths of short "Grabber" chains. One is the "Holding Chain", it is 2 feet long with a chain grab hook on one end and clevis link on the other. Remove the base plate of the High Lift Jack (Mine is held in place with a spring-retained clevis pin) and attach this chain via the clevis link to the last hole in the jack. Use either the clevis pin or a grade-8 bolt & nut. The other is a "Grabbing Loop" made with 2 feet of chain with grab hooks on each end. This loops over the lifting jaw of the jack and grabs itself just behind the other grab hook. The free grab hook then grabs your "pulling chain" (the long one attached to either your vehicle or your anchor) and pulls it in as you jack along. Now each time you've pulled as far as you can with the jack, you hook the Holding Chain onto your Pulling Chain to hold it in place under load. You then re-set the lifting jaw to the base of the jack, re-grab the Pulling Chain( just behind the hook of the Holding Chain) with the free hook on the Grabbing Loop and jack again. The advantage of this system is that the vehicle (or whatever you are pulling) is constantly held under tension by the jacking system and is less likely to slip backwards when you reset the jack for another pull. You also don't have to take-in nearly as much slack in the system with each pull. For extra safety, clip a large threaded "Quick Link" (3/8" to 1/2" link thickness) through the hole beneath the lifting jaw, and pull the free loop of the Grabbing Loop through it before you slip it over the lifting jaw. This will reduce the risk of the Grabbing Loop slipping off the lifting jaw of the jack. Also (opposite of Bill Burke's text, but like his picture of the snow-stuck Rangie), I set and work the jack from a safe distance at the Anchor end (base facing the vehicle, top shackled to anchor strap and pulling chain affixed to the vehicle) if I have someone trying to drive the vehicle out at the same time or if I am righting an overturned vehicle. Remember, always wear gloves and still re-chock or brace the vehicle as you pull it along. This is one area where I do know Jack Good Luck Rich From bens Sat Nov 17 04:29:04 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAH9T4832495 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 04:29:04 -0500 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 04:29:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200111170929.fAH9T4t32491@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Winching with a High Lift Jack Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I am currently teaching in a C.E.R.T course (Community Emergency Response Team) > for FEMA in our local community and have offered "High Lift 101" as an optional > course extension. It is a wonderful tool! The more you use it, the better you get > at it, and the I got the flyer for that a week or two ago, I didn't catch that you were teaching it... is it to late to join up? TomW *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Sat Nov 17 11:33:54 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAHGXs801835 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 11:33:54 -0500 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 11:33:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200111171633.fAHGXse01831@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Question about old style RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason has a lot of valid points about 110 vs. LWB. I have to admit that the interior modification factor is good on the 110, and difficult to tedious on the LWB. Air bags? Don't even bother waiting for them to fail. Get rid of 'em and do it fast! I was driving on borrowed time, and then when I needed to get to Seattle (to see ARB ironically), my airbags failed half-way there. Bummer was I had my two children with me which complicated matters a bit. All in all the 110 is a wonderful truck. Just thinking about one makes me miss my old gutless noisy 109 station wagon. *sigh* Oh, and the 4.2 vs. 3.9 question you had in a previous post? They're basically the same motor with 99% of the same problems, so regardless of which motor you end up with, the issues are the same. Damn. Now I want a 110. Later, Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From bens Sat Nov 17 13:08:12 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAHI8CX02261 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 13:08:12 -0500 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 13:08:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200111171808.fAHI8BY02257@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Question about old style RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If you are considering the Range Rover the first place you need to look is http://www.rangerovers.net/ Personally, I wouldn't get too hung up on a model year or LWB vs SWB, just buy the best example you can afford. The LWB would be a plus if you have to put people in the back seat a lot. On the LWB, did Rover move the rear seat forward a little? With our daughter's car seat in the middle of our SWB, passengers have to sit partially on the carpeted area on the wheel arches, which is uncomfortable. From bens Sat Nov 17 14:42:17 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAHJgHY02701 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 14:42:17 -0500 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 14:42:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200111171942.fAHJgH302697@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Question about old style RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yes, I have been visiting the rangerover.net a lot. It's a great and helpful website. I think the biggest concern for me is still, the condition of engine, since my purpose is long overland drive. I have indeed seen some D110 with lower price tag on them, but most of them I would be more concerned about their reliability, or I probably have to spend more bucks to bring it up to reliable working condition. I'll get one if I find a good one!! cp >From: James Howard >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: Question about old style RR >Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 13:08:11 -0500 > >If you are considering the Range Rover the first place you need to look is >http://www.rangerovers.net/ > [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From bens Sat Nov 17 15:17:32 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAHKHW502880 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 15:17:32 -0500 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 15:17:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200111172017.fAHKHV702876@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Randy H. Katz" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #589 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason-- This must be a Freudian slip. I agree that there is nothing QUIET about a Defender! Randy At 01:54 PM 11/17/01 -0500, you wrote: >That >aside, although I may be classified as being a nutcase, I love driving the >110, there really isn't anything quiet like it. From bens Sat Nov 17 16:42:15 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAHLgFF05276 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 16:42:15 -0500 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 16:42:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200111172142.fAHLgEU05272@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeremy Bartlett To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Question about old style RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I'd agree that the NAS 110 isn't a practical vehicle. Well, I'd venture to disagree. As you wrote quite extensively, I'd say the 110 is one of the most practical vehicles as far as any off road use is concerned. Commuting and parking in SF.. perhaps not but otherwise, bar a heavy duty pickup for other uses it's hard to beat. Jeremy From bens Sat Nov 17 16:58:40 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAHLweA05373 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 16:58:40 -0500 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 16:58:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200111172158.fAHLwcC05369@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Rich Luzzi To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cc: "Rich Luzzi (E-mail)" Subject: saw a really nice 1962 Rover for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --Boundary_(ID_Pi1t/XDjUgYDXDeAmBaQZA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT I saw a really nice 1962 Rover for sale, at a used car lot in SF. I stopped by to check it out, and talked to the sales rep for a while about it. He really knew nothing about it, or what it’s worth (well actually, neither did I) :-) Here’s the low-down: 1962 LandRover SWB (I don’t know what the SWB) – it has an old UK plate on it Under the hood it had this # stamped Z4105058A but the VIN # is 24105058A The body is in PERFECT condition, frame looks like it was stripped and galvanized. The 4cyl seems to be in great shape – very clean Has these swinging/folding jump seats in the back – all seats / interior / upholstery are in PERFECT condition The odometer reads 44,560 K – don’t know how many times it’s flipped, seems like it’s fairly low mileage though, or a complete makeover. Asking price on the window was 25K - although in the 15minutes I was talking to the sales person, I had talked him down to 15k – which I could imagine (with some persuasion) could drop down to ~10k. What are these puppies worth? In mint condition? If I hadn’t just bought a 94 D90, I might have considered this ride. If anyone is interested, email me and I’ll give you more info on it. Just out of curiosity, what’s the best D90 MPG estimates out there? I can’t seem to get more than 12MPG TOPS. Cheers, Rich 94 NAS D90 Metallic Blue ST (which has been a real pain in the A** lately) --Boundary_(ID_Pi1t/XDjUgYDXDeAmBaQZA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

    I saw a really nice 1962 Rover for sale, at a used car lot in SF. I stopped by to check it out, and talked to the sales rep for a while about it. He really knew nothing about it, or what it’s worth (well actually, neither did I) J

     

    Here’s the low-down:

     

    1962 LandRover SWB (I don’t know what the SWB) – it has an old UK plate on it

    Under the hood it had this # stamped Z4105058A   but the VIN # is 24105058A

     

    The body is in PERFECT condition, frame looks like it was stripped and galvanized.

    The 4cyl seems to be in great shape – very clean

    Has these swinging/folding jump seats in the back – all seats / interior / upholstery are in PERFECT condition

    The odometer reads 44,560 K – don’t know how many times it’s flipped, seems like it’s fairly low mileage though, or a complete makeover.

     

    Asking price on the window was 25K - although in the 15minutes I was talking to the sales person, I had talked him down to 15k – which I could imagine (with some persuasion) could drop down to ~10k.

     

    What are these puppies worth? In mint condition? If I hadn’t just bought a 94 D90, I might have considered this ride.

     

    If anyone is interested, email me and I’ll give you more info on it.

     

    Just out of curiosity, what’s the best D90 MPG estimates out there? I can’t seem to get more than 12MPG TOPS.

     

    Cheers,
    Rich

     

    94 NAS D90 Metallic Blue ST (which has been a real pain in the A** lately)

    --Boundary_(ID_Pi1t/XDjUgYDXDeAmBaQZA)-- From bens Sat Nov 17 22:42:21 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAI3gLc06848 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 22:42:21 -0500 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 22:42:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200111180342.fAI3gKP06844@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Question about old style RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, charles chuan-chen phu wrote: > I think the biggest concern for me is still, the condition of engine, since > my purpose is long overland drive. > What continent are you travelling on? The reason I ask is the fuel injected V8 is not the best choice for some continents. The engine condition can vary widely. I looked at more than 10 Range Rovers before buying ours, and the mileage didn't have much to do with engine condition, at least in my price range. The one I bought had 125,000 miles on it, but the oil looked clean when I changed it every 3000 miles, and it proved to be a reliable vehicle until it blew a head gasket at 210,000 miles. There are a lot of them out there that were owned by very wealthy people who spared no expense in their upkeep. From bens Sun Nov 18 00:16:12 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAI5GC808170 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 00:16:12 -0500 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 00:16:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200111180516.fAI5GBV08165@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: LRs in film (not much real LR content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > The prologue indicated that it's a true story based on the life of a > real Kuki Gallman. From the name alone it seems adequately unlikely > that this person could have a REAL life. In any case, if there was a > real story underneath, it totally missed the mark. Don't mince words, Gerry, tell us what you really feel. Go ahead, let it out... Look at the reviews of Kuki Gallman's autobiographical novel of the same name. Violent contrasts of opinions there, too. I guess I just enjoyed it as a romantic phantassee and was entertained. Sometimes that's all I'm looking for. Granny From bens Sun Nov 18 03:00:47 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAI80lx09061 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 03:00:47 -0500 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 03:00:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200111180800.fAI80kC09057@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Question about old style RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org North/mid America is probably the first, Europe-Asia trans-continent maybe second. Not sure yet, since warfare going on around mid Asia:( Yes, I think either diesel or petrol engine is critical for where I am going. Few diesel late model LRs, especially RR, can be found in the US, so an early model like series III might be what I can only get if I really nee to go with diesel. In fact, What I am not sure is if a series III 109, for example, ex-mod, more than 25 yr old, is going to cost me if I would like to bring it to reliable condition for long drive, meanwhile also a acceptable daily driver if possible. I've seen a lot of series III 109 ex-mod available for $4k-7k without renovation. I guess it can easily go up higher than my budget (13k-15k for the vehicle only). This is what I know of. Please correct me if I am wrong. Of course, if I can get a super good deal I would get a D110:).... Personally I think it's a ideal overland drive vehicle overall. charles p. >From: James Howard >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: Question about old style RR >Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 22:42:20 -0500 > >On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, charles chuan-chen phu wrote: > > > I think the biggest concern for me is still, the condition of engine, [ 18 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From bens Sun Nov 18 03:06:54 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAI86sU09099 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 03:06:54 -0500 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 03:06:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200111180806.fAI86rP09095@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Question about old style RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org North/mid America is probably the first, Europe-Asia trans-continent maybe second. Not sure yet, since warfare going on around mid Asia:( Yes, I think either diesel or petrol engine is critical for where I am going. Few diesel late model LRs, especially RR, can be found in the US, so an early model like series III might be what I can only get if I really nee to go with diesel. In fact, What I am not sure is if a series III 109, for example, ex-mod, more than 25 yr old, is going to cost me if I would like to bring it to reliable condition for long drive, meanwhile also a acceptable daily driver if possible. I've seen a lot of series III 109 ex-mod available for $4k-7k without renovation. I guess it can easily go up higher than my budget (13k-15k for the vehicle only). This is what I know of. Please correct me if I am wrong. Of course, if I can get a super good deal I would get a D110:).... Personally I think it's an ideal overland drive vehicle overall. charles p. >From: James Howard >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: Question about old style RR >Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 22:42:20 -0500 > >On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, charles chuan-chen phu wrote: > > > I think the biggest concern for me is still, the condition of engine, [ 18 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From bens Sun Nov 18 03:42:53 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAI8grn09288 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 03:42:53 -0500 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 03:42:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200111180842.fAI8gqZ09284@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Rich Lee To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: CERT Course (no rover content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ------------------------------ >Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 04:29:04 -0500 >From: "Tom Walsh" >Subject: Re: Winching with a High Lift Jack > >I am currently teaching in a C.E.R.T course (Community Emergency Response Team) >> for FEMA in our local community and have offered "High Lift 101" as an optional >> course extension. It is a wonderful tool! The more you use it, the better you get >> at it, and the >I got the flyer for that a week or two ago, I didn't catch that you >were teaching it... is it to late to join up? >TomW *---------*---------* >tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com Hi Tom & Everyone, Actually, the CERT course finished today. It was held over 3 Saturdays. I actually intended to just take the course, but our local fire caption had to leave town, so I was “drafted” to teach part of Disaster Planning, all of Medical Ops, part of Light Search & Rescue (I drafted one of my patients who is a SAR expert to teach most of that) and critique (and be a “victim”) in the mock disaster final exam. It was an excellent course. I have had decades of experience in rescue and pre-hospital care, but I learned a great deal more in this class and it really helped fill gaps in my knowledge that I was unaware of. This was the first CERT course put on by the South Skyline Emergency Planning Committee, which was just formed this Fall, and it went off way better than any of us had expected. There were 24 students, ages 19 to 79 with huge variability in experience, but everyone learned the course as well as they could and it was amazing to see the confidence, skill and leadership they gained. The course teaches almost anyone of sound mind & body to plan personally for a disaster, to minimize their own risk, organize a disaster plan and gather resources. It also teaches how to safely extinguish small fires, recognize hazards, triage disaster victims, provide lifesaving care in the field, perform limited search and victim rescue, manage psychological stress in a disaster and pull everything together to organize and lead a small disaster team. For some great information on what it is all about (including the manuals), check out these links: http://www.fema.gov/pte/diskit.htm http://www.fema.gov/pte/famplan.htm http://www.fema.gov/emi/cert/ http://www.fema.gov/emi/cert/mtrls.htm Download them now, for our next course, which will be early in the spring. I can’t say enough about how valuable this training and how well the course accomplishes the goals. I wish medical school had been this easy, this enjoyable and this relevant. I’ll let you all know in advance of the next class. Drive safely & don’t worry, Rich From bens Sun Nov 18 15:29:32 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAIKTWm12396 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 15:29:32 -0500 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 15:29:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200111182029.fAIKTVS12392@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Question about old style RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, Jeremy Bartlett wrote: > >I'd agree that the NAS 110 isn't a practical vehicle. > > Well, I'd venture to disagree. As you wrote quite extensively, I'd say the 110 > is one of the most practical vehicles as far as any off road use is concerned. > Commuting > and parking in SF.. perhaps not but otherwise, bar a heavy duty pickup for other uses > it's hard to beat. If I lived in most other countries in the world, I would own a 110 rather than a Range Rover. The USA is probably the only country in the world where a 93 110 is more expensive than a 93 Range Rover. From bens Sun Nov 18 21:22:46 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAJ2Mkv14080 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:22:46 -0500 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:22:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200111190222.fAJ2MjW14076@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: rovernet@lyris.ccdata.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: The perfect end to a bad week Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks...I am writing this in amazement that I have been able to even reply to a single message on either list all week! But, that's another story to which I will only say, that my dispatchers' day yesterday, was equal to my entire week. Went to the MG Club's annual swap meet today: picked up what I thought was a header for a Cortina, turned out to be for a Morgan-only! (I didn't think it looked right...) Didn't see any Land Rover stuff, though there were a couple of Discos parked on the street. Alvin picked up a couple of SD1 clutches for a steal! (the seller was a bit upset after hearing that his TR8 clutches that he couldn't get rid of, were also SD1) Saw lotsa cool toy cars, a $2700 Bugeye that had a perfect bonnet - but rusty floors, and a few other neat things. To me, the turnout didn't appear as big as in the past, but there were still alot of people clearing their garages there. ...also picked up my ultra-rare 2001 Woodley Park British Meet badge! Came home to see Russ and Mo working on Dormobile parts... Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Mon Nov 19 10:35:01 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAJFZ1t18766 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:35:01 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:35:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200111191535.fAJFZ0p18760@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Question about old style RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...Yes, I think either diesel or petrol engine is critical for where I am going...." Charles, Given your concern for engine longevity and the obvious benefits of a diesel, you might consider getting yourself a high mileage Range Rover, saving a bit of money on the truck, and using the money to get a 300 Tdi fitted. It's a very good engine for your needs and that way you'd know it was in brand new condition. If I were in your shoes, that's the way I'd go. Most of the big LR part suppliers can get you a new 300Tdi and parts to retrofit to the Rangie. I think they can even recommend someone to make the retrofit. Terry Neal at http://www.mountainrovers.com might also be able to help. -Dave G. From bens Mon Nov 19 11:08:05 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAJG85T18969 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:08:05 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:08:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200111191608.fAJG85318965@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: invites? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi all, Katherine and I (along with fellow Davisites Walt and Peg Swain) have had great times at the NCRC parties at Pyramid, but now, Gordon Biersch seems like a great place also. However the NCRC party is just a bit far away from home to drive back the same night. Anybody close to Palo Alto have a place for Katherine and me to sleep after the event? thanks, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista From bens Mon Nov 19 11:11:02 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAJGB2V19002 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:11:02 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:11:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200111191611.fAJGB2j18998@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'Mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Crystal Mary Kerner Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org was born on November 17th, at 11:10pm, after a hard labor, followed by a C section. Mother and child are fine. She was 8lbs3oz, and 20" long. Picture and/or MPEG available upon request. -Rob From bens Mon Nov 19 12:21:46 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAJHLkw19328 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:21:46 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:21:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200111191721.fAJHLjT19324@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Shane Ballensky" To: Subject: Re: Crystal Mary Kerner Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org congratulations! Shane ----- Original Message ----- From: Kerner, Rob To: Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 8:11 AM Subject: Crystal Mary Kerner > > was born on November 17th, at 11:10pm, after a hard labor, followed by a C > section. Mother and child are fine. She was 8lbs3oz, and 20" long. Picture > and/or MPEG available upon request. > > -Rob > ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 From bens Mon Nov 19 12:34:37 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAJHYbT19382 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:34:37 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:34:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200111191734.fAJHYaJ19378@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Crystal Mary Kerner Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org CONGRATULATIONS!!! Bruce "Kerner, Rob" wrote: > was born on November 17th, at 11:10pm, after a hard labor, followed by a C > section. Mother and child are fine. She was 8lbs3oz, and 20" long. Picture > and/or MPEG available upon request. > > -Rob From bens Mon Nov 19 13:13:55 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAJIDtp19587 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:13:55 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:13:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200111191813.fAJIDsL19583@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Crystal Mary Kerner Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org CONGRATS, ROB!!! Charles On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:11:02 -0500 "Kerner, Rob" writes: > > was born on November 17th, at 11:10pm, after a hard labor, followed > by a C > section. Mother and child are fine. She was 8lbs3oz, and 20" long. > Picture > and/or MPEG available upon request. > > -Rob ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Mon Nov 19 13:20:47 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAJIKlt19645 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:20:47 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:20:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200111191820.fAJIKkW19641@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: rovernet@lyris.ccdata.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Fianlly working on Rovers again!!!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Got the day off The sun is shining The sky is blue Gonna work on rovers - both SD1 and Gillian!!!!! (Cortina apparently has a cracked block - ran it out of coolant on the way to Pasadena yesterday - AGAIN!) Here goes... Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Mon Nov 19 13:24:21 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAJIOLw19660 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:24:21 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:24:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200111191824.fAJIOKJ19656@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: "'Mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Re: Crystal Mary Kerner Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org hmmm. Does that explain why you didn't answer the phone when I called Sat? I was calling to see just how big Cynthia was. Congrats. When she gets bigger, we have the Land Rover 101 FC of tricycles that you can borrow. just how big is your MPEG? Labor was how many hours? Followed by C-section? I'll pass, but I'm sure I'll get to see Crystal in person soon? cheers, john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens Mon Nov 19 13:29:15 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAJITFe19689 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:29:15 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:29:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200111191829.fAJITFL19685@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: straps n chains Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 27 lines filtered. ] ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17128.13397198 charset="iso-8859-1" Another alternative is to save some lengths from the good bits of a replaced winch cable. A good rigging loft (like Carpenter in SF) can put various thimbles, loops, hooks on the ends (length your choice). They are relatively light, coil for neat storage, and combined with a tree strap and Bruce's shorty-chain, they are handy in recovery work. Great for skidding logs off a trail too. Cheers. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17128.13397198 From bens Mon Nov 19 13:35:50 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAJIZoq19740 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:35:50 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:35:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200111191835.fAJIZoY19736@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Daniel Oppenheim To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Crystal Mary Kerner Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bravo to the whole family!! >"Kerner, Rob" wrote: > >> was born on November 17th, at 11:10pm, after a hard labor, followed by a C >> section. Mother and child are fine. She was 8lbs3oz, and 20" long. Picture From bens Mon Nov 19 13:49:09 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAJIn9a19800 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:49:09 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:49:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200111191849.fAJIn8r19796@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Crystal Mary Kerner Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ 14 lines filtered. ] --=====================_17291138==_.ALT Congratulations!!! Bob N Sue B At 08:11 AM 11/19/2001, you wrote: >was born on November 17th, at 11:10pm, after a hard labor, followed by a C >section. Mother and child are fine. She was 8lbs3oz, and 20" long. Picture >and/or MPEG available upon request. > >-Rob --=====================_17291138==_.ALT From bens Mon Nov 19 14:00:18 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAJJ0Iu19882 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:00:18 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:00:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200111191900.fAJJ0H619878@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Crystal Mary Kerner Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All I can say is the human race would have died out long ago if men had to have the babies! Big hugs all around and congrats as usual. -Dave G. From bens Mon Nov 19 14:17:01 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAJJH1M19979 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:17:01 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:17:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200111191917.fAJJH0m19975@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Crystal Mary Kerner Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Congratulations! The mendo list seems to be a baby factory of late. Ours is 9 months old, and we sometimes already miss the little bundle she was as a newborn. Cherish every moment. James, Kelly, and Grace From bens Mon Nov 19 13:58:06 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAJIw6f19861 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:58:06 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:58:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200111191858.fAJIw5m19857@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: overlanders.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org One of the guys came back from lunch and told me that there were a group of LR's over in a hotel parking lot near our office. He mentioned that they were loaded down and well-equipped. We walked over and while there wasn't a LR in the bunch, there were about 5 very nicely-equipped 4WD's from Venezuela. One of the guys was outside so we stuck up a conversation. They had left home about a month ago, shipped their vehicles across the Darien Gap and then driven up through Central America. They'll go from here to Death Valley, Moab, etc and then head towards Miami where they'll ship their vehicles back home. They have about 33 days left on their vacation. The vehicles were a mixture of Toyotas, Fords, etc but all were very nicely equipped...overhead racks, ARBs, winches, etc. Cheers, Gerry PHX AZ From bens Mon Nov 19 15:52:06 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAJKq6n20466 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:52:06 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:52:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200111192052.fAJKq6I20462@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Julian Kwasneski To: Subject: Re: Question about old style RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Has anyone ever seen or heard of someone doing a 300TDI conversion on a Rangie? I looked into it a while ago as an option for my 90 RR and was told that it's about a $15,000 job and couldn't find anyone who's actually done one. From the sound of this email, it's a little more common than I was led to believe. Aside from the obvious benefits of the 300, my brother-in-law makes his own biodiesel and I could essentially get a lot of free fill-ups. They currently run two Mercedes', a flatbed and all the vineyard tractors on the stuff ... haven't seen a gas station in 8 months. Maybe I'll just settle for fixing that headliner first ... ~Julian > From: "Gomes, David" > Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:35:00 -0500 > To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" > Subject: RE: Question about old style RR > > > "...Yes, I think either diesel or petrol engine is critical for where I am > going...." [ 15 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Nov 19 17:09:08 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAJM98P20890 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:09:08 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:09:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200111192209.fAJM97I20886@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Question about old style RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thank you Dave. Your suggestion is so valuable. charles phu >From: "Gomes, David" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" >Subject: RE: Question about old style RR >Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:35:00 -0500 > >"...Yes, I think either diesel or petrol engine is critical for where I am >going...." > [ 16 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From bens Mon Nov 19 17:16:17 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAJMGHQ20945 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:16:17 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:16:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200111192216.fAJMGHX20941@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It just occured to me while looking over a LR parts list that within any system there must always be a weak link (or links), that is, the point at which something is most likely to go wrong. Engines are obviously no different, and especially so are LR engines. Does anyone have thoughts on the weak links in a typical LR engine, say a 3.9 liter V8 for starters? My own ideas include the thermostat, various gaskets, oil lines, seals, various hoses and belts, etc. The idea here is to think of items that are weak links that are also fixable by a normal person. Something inside the transfer case might be a weak link but chances are fixing or replacing it would take the work of a professional (in my opinion). Weak links like the thermostat that are much easier and more likely to be fixed are what I'm thinking of. In the end, something like this could serve as the basis of a really good trouble shooting guide for people with certain types of LR engines. Something one might be able to pick up and then go over their engine with and spot or notice potential problem areas ahead of time. In my case, I'm working on this for my soon to be launched defender110.net website, but such listings would be helpful to everyone. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Mon Nov 19 18:28:26 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAJNSQK21311 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 18:28:26 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 18:28:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200111192328.fAJNSPA21307@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I can answer this one! "Viciously"-coupled transfer cases! (I'm still looking for a cheap LT230 to replace my dead viscuous case) If you have an automatic gearbox - as 100% of U.S.-spec Rangies do, the head gaskets tend to go with high mileage...dunno why that is, but they go, and the symptom to look for, is the end caps on your radiator leaking, as well as the heater core. These are the only nasties that I've noticed, though I've heard of later trucks suffering slipping bore sleeves on #5 cylinder! Charles On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:16:17 -0500 Jason Pipes writes: > > > It just occured to me while looking over a LR parts list that within > any > system there must always be a weak link (or links), that is, the > point at > which something is most likely to go wrong. Engines are obviously no > > different, and especially so are LR engines. [ 37 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Mon Nov 19 19:06:49 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAK06ni21502 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:06:49 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:06:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200111200006.fAK06m121498@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Watching D90 and coiler lists lo these past 5 years or so, ignition problems are by far the biggest downfall of the LR V8 (ign module, wires, dizzy caps in that order). Next probably being head gaskets. After head gasket problems next come peripheral fuel system stuff, mainly fuel pump and filter. And in a close fourth, probably other sensors and actuators like temp sensors and IACV. Charles is the only VC T-box failure I know of so I'd put that one farther down the list. U-joint failures, poor auto-box maintenance, and R380 spline wear are all ahead of VC T-case problems as far as drive line stuff, at least as far as my memory serves. Unfortunately, especially with the engine stuff, there really isn't any good way to spot things "about to go wrong". I've taken a preventative approach. The Rangie I bought has 100k + on it, so it gets something new with every oil change. Thermostat, IACV, plug wires, and tranny fluid (double flush) have been done this way. Head gaskets are on deck as a summer project, and next oil change it gets an ign module, followed by temp sensors. -Dave G. From bens Mon Nov 19 19:29:31 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAK0TVk21618 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:29:31 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:29:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200111200029.fAK0TUI21614@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles R Irvin wrote: > > I can answer this one! > > "Viciously"-coupled transfer cases! (I'm still looking for a cheap LT230 > to replace my dead viscuous case) Ours is still going string after 230,000 miles, although we did replace the mainshaft, which can be done without removing it from the vehicle. The mainshaft splines wear out, since they are made of a soft metal. The weak links on the US spec RR are: Power steering box starts to leak after 50K miles +/- Head gaskets start to leak (ours was at 210,000 miles) Speedometer craps out every 100K miles on the 89 and earlier ones. Center console falls apart. Power seat switches stop working. Coolant level sensor, temperature gauge sender, oil pressure idiot light sensor all fail regularly. That is all the stuff I have had experience with. From bens Mon Nov 19 21:55:04 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAK2t4D22311 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 21:55:04 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 21:55:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200111200255.fAK2t4S22307@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org You had to remind me of that stuff, didn't you? I forgot about having rebuilt both the power steering pump AND the steering box, the drivers' seat switch is dead, the brake master was rebuilt (I still have to do all the calipers!), I have a dead A/C compressor, the rear window wiper switch grenaded on me, and... Charles On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:29:30 -0500 James Howard writes: > > > Charles R Irvin wrote: > > > > I can answer this one! > > > > "Viciously"-coupled transfer cases! (I'm still looking for a cheap > LT230 > > to replace my dead viscuous case) [ 19 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Mon Nov 19 23:45:42 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAK4jgt22800 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 23:45:42 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 23:45:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200111200445.fAK4jfH22796@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Man, this is making me think of all the stuff I've done on my RR that could potentially fall in the 'weak link' category. The biggest weakest link will show up at around 150K, and if you haven't changed your timing chain and gear to something that rhymes with Edelbrock or Cloyes, you're running on borrowed time. My timing gear shattered at 183K and toasted the whole motor. The nylon teeth broke, and the rest was history (literally). My VC is going, and I already have an LT-230 ready to go when it does. PS box 2-pin carriers (I've blown 2 in the rear before going to ARB's) CV's (carry a spare) ABS pump (I'm doing a non-ABS swap next month) Heater core (replaced) All of the above are weak links, but most of them won't keep you from getting home. The timing gear and chain will. This is interesting to see what everyone has had go wrong on their RR's. Later, Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From bens Tue Nov 20 00:38:35 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAK5cZP24075 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 00:38:35 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 00:38:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200111200538.fAK5cYJ24071@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Head gasket problem is because of the uneven head torque (4 extra head bolts just on one side of the head). I've never seen one hot enough to cause problems with the radiator - I imagine the head/block is warped by then! I have seen rocker shafts that had changed color & rockers breaker from lack of strength... There is also the issue with the timing chains. If you do the head gaskets, go to the 'true-roller' timing chain set. They're made here in the USA, too. Many of the older 3.5 & 3.9 owners did their maint. by the book. That means oil changes every 7500 miles. This is WAY too many miles for a solid push-rod vehicle. The top end sludge can be determined by simply looking around through the oil fill hole & a small mirror! I dropped my pan when I did mine so the beast would be nice & clean. Stock suspension bushings... They wear and cause the vehicle to 'rear end steer'. Oh, and leaking power steering boxes! Later, Kelly Minnick > If you have an automatic gearbox - as 100% of U.S.-spec Rangies do, the > head gaskets tend to go with high mileage...dunno why that is, but they > go, and the symptom to look for, is the end caps on your radiator > leaking, as well as the heater core. > Charles From bens Tue Nov 20 00:24:29 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAK5OTx23879 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 00:24:29 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 00:24:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200111200524.fAK5OSl23875@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Crystal Mary Kerner Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Rob! Congrats! How cool. I know I'm a few days late - but as they say, better later than never, right? Are the picts on the web? Later, Kelly Minnick > was born on November 17th, at 11:10pm, after a hard labor, followed by a C > section. Mother and child are fine. She was 8lbs3oz, and 20" > long. Picture > and/or MPEG available upon request. > -Rob > From bens Tue Nov 20 00:11:44 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAK5Bia23323 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 00:11:44 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 00:11:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200111200511.fAK5Bio23319@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've had more trouble with my AC than with anything else (probably spent about $1,600 on it and it still leaks). I also had to rebush my suspension (at about 70K miles) and replace my springs and shocks, too. Probably should have been done at 50K miles. Have been through two alternators (converted to Delco then ate the first Delco). Blew one CV joint at about 55-60K miles but no trouble since. My transfer case (now, at 105K miles) has major backlash but I have a rebuilt replacement in the wings. My viscous coupling seems okay, so far, and I plan to replace it when needed because I really like the way it works. It is, however, a bit of a known weak link. My RR is a '92 so I plan to upgrade to 24-spline axle shafts at the same time I install an ARB in the rear (someday) and a Tru-Trac in the front (soon). Cheers, Granny From bens Tue Nov 20 00:28:11 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAK5SBM23911 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 00:28:11 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 00:28:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200111200528.fAK5SAx23907@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Crystal Mary Kerner Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I hear you. Our first little bundle turns 18 in December! At 155+ and nearly 6', he still wants to wrestle, etc. He is getting awful big to carry to bed, though! Later, Kelly Minnick > Congratulations! The mendo list seems to be a baby factory of late. > Ours is 9 months old, and we sometimes already miss the little bundle > she was as a newborn. Cherish every moment. > James, Kelly, and Grace > From bens Tue Nov 20 00:42:53 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAK5gro24106 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 00:42:53 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 00:42:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200111200542.fAK5gqv24102@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yeah - especially the stupid piece that holds all the window switches! I'm busy reproducing mine in aluminum! I also changed out 1/2 the power door lock motors before I realized it was the dumb driver's door power module that was at fault. Not a cheap item, either! Later, Kelly Minnick > Center console falls apart. > From bens Tue Nov 20 00:47:26 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAK5lQM24138 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 00:47:26 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 00:47:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200111200547.fAK5lPk24134@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yeah, real interesting! I've put thousands into the beast Besides my FREE labor, and still can sell her for less than the 'Fair' KBB price... sigh. Such is life. Later, Kelly Minnick > This is interesting to see what everyone has had go wrong on their RR's. > Later, > > Michael From bens Tue Nov 20 01:21:45 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAK6LjW24333 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 01:21:45 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 01:21:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200111200621.fAK6LiC24329@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm not so sure about the lower row of bolts being the culprit: I just yanked the head off the right bank on my SD1today, (a 3.5), and it was the LOWER portion of the head gasket that had been leaking! All four cylinders, in fact. The bolts were nice and tight, too. As usual, most of the intake manifod bolts/all the exhaust manifold bolts were loose! I'm suprised that it ran so well! The RR's don't overheat then blow the radiators: they often blow a head gasket into a water jacket, causing the cooling system to over-pressurize - then the radiator/heater core suffer the first noticeable damage. Now, if you continue driving it (as I did once!) then you'll cook her! Charles On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 00:38:34 -0500 "Kelly Minnick" writes: > > Head gasket problem is because of the uneven head torque (4 extra > head bolts > just on one side of the head). I've never seen one hot enough to > cause > problems with the radiator ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Tue Nov 20 01:39:46 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAK6dk324417 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 01:39:46 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 01:39:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200111200639.fAK6dkP24410@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Transfer Cases Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles wrote: > "Viciously"-coupled transfer cases! > (I'm still looking for a cheap LT230 > to replace my dead viscous case) Then James wrote: >Ours is still going string after 230,000 miles I was sorry to hear about Charles' transfer case, but the Borg Warner transfer case (used in the 1989-1995 RR Classic and not in any NAS Defenders) is not a "weak link". After reading daily LR lists for years I have not heard of more than three problems with them. I've heard of many more problems with the LT230. Kevin Kelly From bens Tue Nov 20 01:46:30 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAK6kUx24473 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 01:46:30 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 01:46:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200111200646.fAK6kT824469@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Young To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yeah, I know its not a 110, but everyone likes to talk about the ailments their truck has experienced: My 1999 Disco II at 30,000 miles is on its third radiator, but I believe this is unique some of the Disco IIs. It's also had its starter motor replaced, and Jeremy just recently determined the culprit and replaced the mass-air-flow sensor. I don't think it's too bad of a record considering how complex that vehicle is (with rear air suspension, hydraulic sway bars, about 100 fuses, etc.)... I'd say one major weak link is tires... but then, we all carry spares, patch kits, etc., don't we? John Young From bens Tue Nov 20 01:39:47 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAK6dl724421 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 01:39:47 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 01:39:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200111200639.fAK6dkl24416@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: LR Weak Links Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason wrote: >It just occurred to me while looking over a LR parts list >that within any system there must always be a weak link >(or links), that is, the point at >which something is most likely to go wrong. Engines >are obviously no different, and especially so are LR >engines. Does anyone have thoughts on the weak links >in a typical LR engine, say a 3.9 liter V8 for starters? Most engines (including Land Rover engines) will run for a long time and typically the "weak links" are the items connected to the engine like the starter, alternator, water pump etc. The driver is probably the biggest "weak link" and can make a minor coolant or oil leak turn in to a fried engine. >My own ideas include the thermostat, >various gaskets, oil lines, seals, >various hoses and belts, etc. Thermostats seem to fail often on Land Rovers and I would recommend replacing it every time you change all the hoses. I never got a good answer when I tried to find the brand of thermostat that sticks open when it goes bad, but Philippe said he "thought" he got me one that sticks open when I remembered that mine had been stuck open for 6 months last time he had my Range Rover to change the tranny filter. I don't carry I spare thermostat (since you can drive for years without one) but I have all the tools to pull it if it ever sticks closed (including some mini swivel sockets for the hose clamps). >The idea here is to think of items that are weak links >that are also fixable by a normal person. My top 10 items to carry all the time are (in no particular order): 1. Battery Jumper Pack - Will start you if you leave the lights on for days in long term parking or let you drive home without an alternator(plus makes jump starting others easy). 2. Small tool kit (you will be able to fix even more things with a med. or large tool kit that includes random nuts and bolts and zip ties) 3. Bulbs - I have a spare for all my exterior lights and dash lights including the special alternator bulb that will not allow the battery to charge when it goes out (I'm not sure if other LRs have the same special charging bulb). 4. Fluids - Coolant, Oil, ATF (You don't often have a major failure and a gallon of coolant 5. Spare Belts - At least the water pump belt (it will be rough to drive home without AC or Power Steering but you will not overheat) 6. Bailing Wire/Coat Hangers (fix your exhaust and many other things) 7. Spare Hoses (or small sections of pipe and extra clamps so you can cut out a bad section of hose to fix a leak). 8. Wire Dryer (or WD 40) for a wet ignition system. 9. Gaffers tape (I like this better than Duct Tape and used it a while back to tape the bumper back on to a friends J**p Grand Cherokee when it hooked on a tree stump while backing up). 10. Cell Phone and AAA Card - With AAA Plus 100 mile towing (when you have a major problem this is the only way to get home) Kevin From bens Tue Nov 20 02:14:10 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAK7EAW24590 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 02:14:10 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 02:14:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200111200714.fAK7EAW24586@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "russell wilson" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Fianlly working on Rovers again!!!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Get rid of those evil twins... You have enough cool toys to play with that you shouldn't be wasting time and money on those damn things. SD1, MGB GT, 109.... What did you get finished on the SD1? >Got the day off > >The sun is shining > >The sky is blue > >Gonna work on rovers - both SD1 and Gillian!!!!! (Cortina apparently has >a cracked block - ran it out of coolant on the way to Pasadena yesterday >- AGAIN!) [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- From bens Tue Nov 20 03:10:00 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAK8A0t24872 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 03:10:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 03:10:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200111200810.fAK8A0a24864@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Crystal Mary Kerner Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Congrads Rob, Cynthia! TomW > > was born on November 17th, at 11:10pm, after a hard labor, followed by a C > > section. Mother and child are fine. She was 8lbs3oz, and 20" > > long. Picture > > and/or MPEG available upon request. > > > -Rob > > > > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Tue Nov 20 08:17:53 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAKDHr126284 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:17:53 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:17:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200111201317.fAKDHqv26280@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ 20 lines filtered. ] --=====================_1373197==_.ALT At 04:06 PM 11/19/2001, you wrote: >Charles is the only VC T-box failure I know of so I'd put that one farther >down the list. U-joint failures, poor auto-box maintenance, and R380 spline >wear are all ahead of VC T-case problems as far as drive line stuff, at >least as far as my memory serves. >-Dave G. HI, I've read about several viscous coupling failures. One being Michael Slade's. I guess some drivers might not notice it isn't working depending on the road conditions. Bob B --=====================_1373197==_.ALT From bens Tue Nov 20 08:53:30 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAKDrUa26471 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:53:30 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:53:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200111201353.fAKDrUM26467@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "russell wilson" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Dormobile stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Has anyone dealt with dormobile.com lately (ever?) The web site has been down for a long time and someone else mentioned that they weren't returning e-mails. Russ -- From bens Tue Nov 20 10:13:36 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAKFDa726931 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:13:36 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:13:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200111201513.fAKFDa026927@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Crystal Mary Kerner Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org congratulations !!!!!!!!!!!! fil _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From bens Tue Nov 20 10:46:19 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAKFkJw27107 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:46:19 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:46:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200111201546.fAKFkIK27103@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Dormobile stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Has anyone dealt with dormobile.com lately (ever?) The web site has >been down for a long time and someone else mentioned that they >weren't returning e-mails. John Hess has the closest realtionship with them. I believe he visited the place recently. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Tue Nov 20 10:29:21 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAKFTL027004 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:29:21 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:29:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200111201529.fAKFTKU27000@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: weakest link? rr Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org here's my list from our 91 RR ( 152k) - replaced rotors at 75K - replaced coils/shocks at 78K with ome/bilsteins ( sagging issue) - abs pump gave up at 82K - replaced - replaced stock tires with dunlop RT at 90K - alternator replaced at 102K - radiator re-cored at 102K also - catalytic con - replace both and also the sensors at 121K - fuel pump(died), water pump, timing chain replaced at 140K what's crapping out right now - headliner starting to sag a little bit - i hear clunks when i turned to reverse gear sometimes - so far no leak on the fule pump yet i changed oil religiously q 5K with synthetic amsoil or redline or omega, overall it is still a nice vehicle to drive other than the stiff suspension i got and the bad gas milelage and the high maintanance cost fil _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From bens Tue Nov 20 10:50:58 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAKFowR27142 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:50:58 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:50:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200111201550.fAKFovm27138@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Matt Wilson To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I want you people to stop this weakest link thread (just joking) after two years of series ownership I have finally stopped reaching for the non existent Radio knob. I keep track of the cars I pass on the freeway with a rubber stamp on the door, this is a lot easier than counting the cars passing me. and because it's a series 3 when I turn on the A/C I just cool off the back of the Speedometer... did I mention the hot foot? So when I'm driving, while singing to myself, I dream of owning a 1989 Range Rover country, White with tan leather, Oh how civilized I would be, I might listen to Motown or Reggae while a cool breeze blows across my face from the dash, just like sitting in a lazy boy watching the world go by. Then I'm snapped back to reality, as a semi truck fly's by and I have to hold the steering wheel with two hands, I quickly glance down to make sure my big gulp drink hasn't fallen out of its cup holder, a roll of duct tape on the floor. While I'm looking down the dust from the vent has filled my glasses, now I can't see, Great..... So Kelly how much is the Range Rover? I'm offering a 1989 Volvo Wagon, and a 1954 "Apache" tent trailer. Matt Wilson PS I do realize that two years of Series ownership is but a blink in the eye to most of you, thanks for reading my dribble. PPS actually I like the thread Now when I dream about my RR it will have a ARB locker and TruTrack up front, Yes Dream truck never get stuck.... From bens Tue Nov 20 10:54:07 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAKFs7H27158 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:54:07 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:54:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200111201554.fAKFs7X27154@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Dormobile stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Email response to me has always been spotty, but when I was going to be in the area, they were prompt in returning my emails. In the end, because of 9-11, I couldn't leave the US, so I didn't go. Nick Baggarly visited Simon a few weeks ago. No more info than that. What are you looking for? >Has anyone dealt with dormobile.com lately (ever?) The web site has >been down for a long time and someone else mentioned that they >weren't returning e-mails. > > > >Russ >-- John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista From bens Tue Nov 20 11:05:37 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAKG5bJ27253 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:05:37 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:05:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200111201605.fAKG5bf27249@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yeah...I didn't know that mine was dead until I blew a CV on the front axle: the truck is full-time 4WD, and it went nowhere! I lifted her up on jackstands, put her in drive, and the rear wheels spun very slowly. Put her on pavement again, and nothing. If you're blowing the R.F. CV joint on a regular basis, then odds are you have a dead transfer case. Cost to replace the bastard is such, I'd rather go with a used LT230 - the existing case is $$$$ no matter if its new or used (questionable lifespan on used ones). Charles On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:17:52 -0500 Bob & Sue Bernard writes: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] > [ 20 lines filtered. ] > --=====================_1373197==_.ALT > > At 04:06 PM 11/19/2001, you wrote: > > >Charles is the only VC T-box failure I know of so I'd put that one [ 17 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Tue Nov 20 11:36:58 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAKGaw727416 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:36:58 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:36:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200111201636.fAKGavE27412@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Crystal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 27 lines filtered. ] ------_=_NextPart_001_01C171E1.90F4BAA4 charset="iso-8859-1" Rob, Congrats! Glad Regent and the Rangie are running so well, and all those projects are completed-- they are, aren't they???? Cheers. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C171E1.90F4BAA4 From bens Tue Nov 20 12:12:20 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAKHCK627590 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:12:20 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:12:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200111201712.fAKHCJF27586@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Weak link Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 66 lines filtered. ] ------_=_NextPart_001_01C171E6.81E0D7DC charset="iso-8859-1" Jason, Here are my votes for NAS D110 mission-critical weak links. The top four left me stranded at various times while the truck and I "were getting to know each other". Since then, smooth sailing. That last one is a demon who is letting his presence be known. Plastic radiator plug NTC4609 (BTDT; ridiculously easy IF you have the part) Ignition amp (BTDT; medium if you have the part) Dizzy pickup module (BTDT; medium hard if you have the part) Cold start chip fix (BTDT; dealer only, so know the work-around) Fuel pump (touching wood; my guess is it's a PITA, I don't carry the part) Fan viscous clutch (BTDT but not catostrophic failure) Belt set (BTDT for water pump; I carry parts) Water pump (so far so good, but I carry the parts) Alternator (so far so good; I don't carry the parts) Various engine control relays (I carry the parts) LT77S main shaft/drive gear spline wear (when it goes, I'm hosed, unless I get up the courage and $$$ to take the plunge before then). I also carry soft-bound workshop and parts manuals with me so that I can read to Elmer at Podhunk Garage how to fix what I can't do... Cheers. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C171E6.81E0D7DC From bens Tue Nov 20 11:52:01 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAKGq1r27486 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:52:01 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:52:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200111201652.fAKGq1027482@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: RE: Crystal Mary Kerner Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rob, got the picture. She is darling. I hope Cynthia is feeling better. Congratulations again. Mehdi From bens Tue Nov 20 12:55:08 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAKHt8m27812 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:55:08 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:55:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200111201755.fAKHt7e27808@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Clayton Kirkwood" To: Subject: RE: Crystal Mary Kerner Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Congratulations, and welcome to the tired parents society. So, when are the three of you going 4-wheeling? Lynn & Clayton > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org > [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org]On Behalf Of Kerner, Rob > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 8:11 AM > To: 'Mendo_recce@fourfold.org' > Subject: Crystal Mary Kerner > > > [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Nov 20 13:40:23 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAKIeNC28025 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:40:23 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:40:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200111201840.fAKIeN728021@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....If you're blowing the R.F. CV joint on a regular basis, then odds are you have a dead transfer case...." Can you explain the cause and effect relationship at work here? I don't understand it. I would like to understand it to try and avoid problems on Cheryl's truck. Thanks, -Dave G. From bens Tue Nov 20 14:09:25 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAKJ9Pm28146 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:09:25 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:09:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200111201909.fAKJ9PV28142@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I would add the power steering box to the list of weak links. Cheers John Granville Pool wrote: > I've had more trouble with my AC than with anything else (probably spent > about $1,600 on it and it still leaks). I also had to rebush my suspension > (at about 70K miles) and replace my springs and shocks, too. Probably > should have been done at 50K miles. Have been through two alternators > (converted to Delco then ate the first Delco). Blew one CV joint at about > 55-60K miles but no trouble since. My transfer case (now, at 105K miles) > has major backlash but I have a rebuilt replacement in the wings. My > viscous coupling seems okay, so far, and I plan to replace it when needed > because I really like the way it works. It is, however, a bit of a known [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Nov 20 17:39:38 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAKMdcX29136 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:39:38 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:39:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200111202239.fAKMdb629132@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ 17 lines filtered. ] --=====================_3966672==_.ALT Wellll, I was compiling a list of weak spots in the Range Rover from this thread, just in case I decided to get one. Then after re-reading it I figure I better not buy one unless it's repaired/rebuilt etc like Kelly's. Bob B At 11:09 AM 11/20/2001, you wrote: >I would add the power steering box to the list of weak links. > >Cheers > >John --=====================_3966672==_.ALT From bens Tue Nov 20 18:32:07 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAKNW7s29412 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:32:07 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:32:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200111202332.fAKNW6r29408@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...Then after re-reading it I figure I better not buy one unless it's repaired/rebuilt etc like Kelly's..." Okay, so I'm sick and twisted, but I looked at my knowledge of these faults as a reason TO buy a Rangie for Cheryl. The devil you know beats the devil you don't, IMHO. And having spent 10+ years in the auto industry if I'm convinced of one thing, it's that they ALL have weak links. I'll still choose the known over the unknown any day. -Dave G. From bens Tue Nov 20 18:21:29 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAKNLT329361 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:21:29 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:21:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200111202321.fAKNLTr29357@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org To be fair, the list of weak spots that will strand you by the side of the road is pretty short. Bob & Sue Bernard wrote: From bens Tue Nov 20 18:52:48 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAKNqmt29506 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:52:48 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:52:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200111202352.fAKNqmg29502@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...To be fair, the list of weak spots that will strand you by the side of the road is pretty short...." And that list is more a function of a whole class of vehicles (electronically controlled multi-port fuel injected electronic ignition vehicles) than any of LR's doing. -Dave G. From bens Tue Nov 20 19:00:20 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAL00Kg29552 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 19:00:20 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 19:00:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200111210000.fAL00JF29545@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Excellent point Dave!! >And that list is more a function of a whole class of vehicles >(electronically controlled multi-port fuel injected electronic ignition >vehicles) than any of LR's doing. > >-Dave G. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Nov 20 21:50:34 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAL2oYV30315 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:50:34 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:50:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200111210250.fAL2oXA30311@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Matt wrote... > So when I'm driving, while singing to myself, I dream of owning a 1989 >Range >Rover country, White with tan leather, Oh how civilized I would be, I >might >listen to Motown or Reggae while a cool breeze blows across my face from >the >dash, just like sitting in a lazy boy watching the world go by. Yeah, me too! Only in my case, I just so happen to be driving the White RR, but I'm STILL dreaming of the cool breeze blowing across my face (entire AC system leaks like a seive). > Then I'm snapped back to reality, as a semi truck fly's by and I have to >hold >the steering wheel with two hands, I quickly glance down to make sure my >big >gulp drink hasn't fallen out of its cup holder, a roll of duct tape on the >floor. While I'm looking down the dust from the vent has filled my >glasses, now >I can't see, Great..... Hmm, similar experiences, only there's no FLAT spot on the floor of a RR to place a roll of duct tape. No cup holders in a RR! Actually your post reminded me of the drive I did to a Mendo ralley in my 109. Whew! Later, Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From bens Tue Nov 20 21:57:26 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAL2vQm30345 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:57:26 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:57:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200111210257.fAL2vQ330341@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Coil Power Steering (was: weakest link yadda yadda yadda) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey everyone, For everyone out there who has experienced the leaky PS box (or should I call it the PoS box???), start scouring your local scrap yards for Scout II Saginaw power steering boxes. Let's just say 'a little birdy' told me something.... Seriously though, I'd source one and have it rebuilt if you are considering replacing your current box with a rebuilt factory box. That's all for now... Later, Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From bens Tue Nov 20 21:42:47 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAL2glF30270 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:42:47 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:42:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200111210242.fAL2gkt30266@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks for reminding me Bob. Two years ago at the Easter Jeep Safari my t-case quit working. Possibly a combination of a VERY steep angle and overheating (???). Ironically during the same trip, I met another RR owner from Colorado who had experience VC failure during that week as well. Every time we saw each other in the City Market (the towns only supermarket) we'd ask how each other was holding up. It hasn't failed since, but I have a spare LT-230 ready to go WHEN it does. Later, Michael >From: Bob & Sue Bernard >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: RE: weakest link? >Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:17:52 -0500 > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] > [ 20 lines filtered. ] [ 20 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From bens Tue Nov 20 22:45:55 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAL3jt730581 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:45:55 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:45:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200111210345.fAL3jtS30577@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I think most viscous problems (and auto trans) are directly related to how often the fluid is changed & how hot the fluid has gotten. A viscous system works on slip. If it slips a lot, the system will need it's fluid changed. If the oil level gets low, the chances for scorching the fluid is high. JMHO. Later, Kelly Minnick > HI, > I've read about several viscous coupling failures. One being > Michael Slade's. > I guess some drivers might not notice it isn't working depending on the > road conditions. > Bob B From bens Tue Nov 20 22:39:55 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAL3dtY30532 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:39:55 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:39:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200111210339.fAL3dsh30528@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Coil Power Steering (was: weakest link yadda yadda yadda) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ 35 lines filtered. ] --=====================_21986483==_.ALT Hi, The Scout II box I put in Sherman around 10-11 years ago is still going strong. I paid $30.00 for it and added new seals for around $10 for the kit. I currently have another box in my shop that I paid $25.00 for and that included the Saginaw pump also. These were driveway scrappers rather than wrecking yard. But I'd bet the pull it yourself wreckers could be pretty cheap. After all they don't go bad and very few have discovered them for conversions. Although the Early Bronco suppliers are now converting it to turn the opposite direction and drilling a hole then it bolts right on to the Bronco. Bob B At 06:57 PM 11/20/2001, you wrote: >Hey everyone, > >For everyone out there who has experienced the leaky PS box (or should I >call it the PoS box???), start scouring your local scrap yards for Scout II >Saginaw power steering boxes. > >Let's just say 'a little birdy' told me something.... > >Seriously though, I'd source one and have it rebuilt if you are considering [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] --=====================_21986483==_.ALT From bens Tue Nov 20 22:57:26 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAL3vQi30631 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:57:26 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:57:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200111210357.fAL3vP230627@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > did I mention the hot foot? > So when I'm driving, while singing to myself, I dream of owning > a 1989 Range > Rover country, White with tan leather, Oh how civilized I would I sing to myself too! Well, at least when alone in the truck! I do remember the HOT feet! (had 2 series myself) Reflective aluminum/fiberglas blanket on the outside of the floorboard works wonders... > sure my big > gulp drink hasn't fallen out of its cup holder, a roll of duct tape on the > floor. You use the Duct tape thing too! Wow. Sorry, but the RR doesn't have a decent Big Gulp holder unless you don't use the center console! > So Kelly how much is the Range Rover? I'm offering a 1989 Volvo > Wagon, and a > 1954 "Apache" tent trailer. How does the Volvo do off-road? :) (I'm asking $5500 & still writing up my list on new stuff I've done) > Matt Wilson I'm really surprised you didn't mention the great wipers! My series had little Amco fillers that were too long. Occasionally, one would stick against the top of the windshield frame and stop all arm movement... This happened coming home from Mendo in a downpour on I-5 with Ben, 8:00 or so at night with a ten hour trip ahead of us. We were actually passing the 18 wheelers, so a little scary when you can't see! Take care, Kelly Minnick From bens Tue Nov 20 22:35:36 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAL3ZaU30516 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:35:36 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:35:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200111210335.fAL3ZaM30512@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mike Slade wrote: > Ironically during the same trip, I met another RR owner from Colorado who > had experience VC failure during that week as well. Hmm, might know him. I bought my spare BW xfer box from a guy in Colorado who had an '89 RR. He'd had his xfer box rebuilt, at great expense, by the LR dealer in Denver. Then, less than a year later, he broke the viscous coupling. The dealer quoted him another terrible price to fix that (the case was broken). Instead, he bought a used xfer box, complete with VC from AAA Small Car World in Texas. This left him with a spare box with a broken VC. I bought it and am keeping it to replace the sloppy xfer box in Ziggy ('92 RR). I'm still keeping an eye out for a good spare VC, just in case! Cheers, Granny From bens Tue Nov 20 23:06:27 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAL46RJ30686 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:06:27 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:06:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200111210406.fAL46Q430682@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Coil Power Steering (was: weakest link yadda yadda yadda) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I rebuilt mine for the $60 in the seal kit. I've done this on 3 RR's without one leaking again. I have a friend at work with a 90 Toyota 4wd PU (who hardly ever takes it off-road or hauls any loads). His PS box is leaking like crazy. New is $1750, rebuilt $500 - $850. Kelly Minnick > Hey everyone, > For everyone out there who has experienced the leaky PS box (or should I > call it the PoS box???), start scouring your local scrap yards > for Scout II > Saginaw power steering boxes. > Let's just say 'a little birdy' told me something.... > Seriously though, I'd source one and have it rebuilt if you are > considering > replacing your current box with a rebuilt factory box. > That's all for now... > > Later, > Michael From bens Tue Nov 20 23:39:55 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAL4dtx30832 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:39:55 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:39:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200111210439.fAL4dsX30828@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Actually - no, but I believe it has some relation to the Series trucks having weak rear axles! Seriously...so long as the transfer case is working fine, then all is well: but of the VC stops sending power to the rear wheels, then the front wheels take up ALL the strain, and the CV's start to give up - usually (from what I've heard) the right one first, and most often. I forgot to mention sudden and severe front tire wear as a warning sign as well. (another thing I forgot that I needed for that beast!) That transfer case is a real devil indeed: either it stops sending power to the front wheels, or it stops sending power to the rear wheels, or, it simply stops sending out power alltogether! It just depends on how it gives up. What really ticks me off - it waited until AFTER I changed the fluid, before it died. Charles On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:40:23 -0500 "Gomes, David" writes: > > "....If you're blowing the R.F. CV joint on a regular basis, then > odds are > you > have a dead transfer case...." > > Can you explain the cause and effect relationship at work here? I > don't > understand it. I would like to understand it to try and avoid [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Wed Nov 21 00:21:41 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAL5LfD31966 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 00:21:41 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 00:21:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200111210521.fAL5LeD31962@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "russell wilson" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Dormobile stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org What am I looking for? How about a 19yr old redhead with a father who owns a brewery?? oh, you mean with the truck... um well the list could get ugly, so I was just wondering if Simon? was still in business and what he had available. Thanks Russ >Email response to me has always been spotty, but when I was going to >be in the area, they were prompt in returning my emails. In the end, >because of 9-11, I couldn't leave the US, so I didn't go. > >Nick Baggarly visited Simon a few weeks ago. > >No more info than that. > >What are you looking for? [ 24 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- From bens Wed Nov 21 00:19:15 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAL5JFn31926 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 00:19:15 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 00:19:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200111210519.fAL5JEE31922@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "russell wilson" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Dormobile stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >Has anyone dealt with dormobile.com lately (ever?) The web site has >>been down for a long time and someone else mentioned that they >>weren't returning e-mails. > >John Hess has the closest realtionship with them. I believe he visited >the place recently. > >TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please >Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- I remember Simon? being around on the list a bit last year and then ...poof. I'll e-mail John direct and see what he knows. From bens Wed Nov 21 01:05:20 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAL65K932269 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 01:05:20 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 01:05:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200111210605.fAL65JD32265@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Nick Baggarly" To: Subject: Re: Dormobile stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I visited Simon a couple weeks ago in Southampton. His Dormobile company is now owned by a much larger company that owns/maintains/supplies Land Rovers of every make and model. Simon and his brother Tim are still running and developing the business though. They seemed like they had a lot going on. Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "russell wilson" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 9:21 PM Subject: Re: Dormobile stuff > > What am I looking for? How about a 19yr old redhead with a father > who owns a brewery?? oh, you mean with the truck... um well the > list could get ugly, so I was just wondering if Simon? was still in > business and what he had available. > > Thanks > > Russ [ 16 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Nov 21 01:33:25 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAL6XPL32437 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 01:33:25 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 01:33:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200111210633.fAL6XOm32433@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Biophilian@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 11/20/01 2:41:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, bobnsueb@saber.net writes: << I was compiling a list of weak spots in the Range Rover from this thread, just in case I decided to get one. Then after re-reading it I figure I better not buy one unless it's repaired/rebuilt etc like Kelly's. Bob B >> I've followed this list for a couple of years, and I must say Kelly's RR being offered for sale caught my eye.... I'm of the impression that it's been well maintained by a pretty sharp guy. I've had very few problems with my 15 year old that gets used hard with regularity, and I consider them one of the better used car purchases one can make IF you're willing to continue maintaining it. Especially for less than $6k--how many of them could you buy for the cost of a disposable Ford Exploder (or the like)? If I hadn't recently had to rent in-city storage for a car ('62 Benz 220 SEb) I'd buy Kelly's RR--unseen. With RRs, the older and simpler the better (IMHO). Kevan Wiser just one old RR--but would love another From bens Wed Nov 21 01:54:35 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAL6sZN32530 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 01:54:35 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 01:54:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200111210654.fAL6sYm32526@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Dormobile stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...I know a 38 year old redhead with a father that worked for Mazda... Ooops - I forgot that she's married with three daughters... :) Charles On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 00:21:40 -0500 "russell wilson" writes: > > What am I looking for? How about a 19yr old redhead with a father > who owns a brewery?? ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Wed Nov 21 02:01:30 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAL71UR32581 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 02:01:30 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 02:01:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200111210701.fAL71UG32577@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org YOU have a '62 Merc 220??????? I LOVE those! I don't have one, but I love 'em...something about the lines, and the sound...can use bigger wheels, but... Sad thing is, there's been a ton of 'em in wrecking yards lately. Charles On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 01:33:24 -0500 Biophilian@aol.com writes: > > In a message dated 11/20/01 2:41:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, > bobnsueb@saber.net writes: > > << I was compiling a list of weak spots in the Range Rover from this > thread, > just in case I decided to get one. > Then after re-reading it I figure I better not buy one unless it's > repaired/rebuilt etc like Kelly's. [ 24 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Wed Nov 21 02:15:54 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAL7Fsc32653 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 02:15:54 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 02:15:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200111210715.fAL7Frk32649@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Young To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > "...To be fair, the list of weak spots that will strand you by the side of > the road is pretty short...." > And that list is more a function of a whole class of vehicles > (electronically controlled multi-port fuel injected electronic ignition > vehicles) than any of LR's doing. With all due respect, I don't miss screwing with mixtures or points one bit. Not to mention the time that my '72 MGB, with its carbs and points, left me by the road... oh, wait, that was because I didn't bend those damned locking tabs over for the flywheel bolts while putting the motor back together late at night without enough sleep. Three bolts worked themselves out and the other three sheared off. Having the flywheel become detached from the crankshaft at 60 mph on hwy 1 is not good. Pretty place to be stranded, though. John Young From bens Wed Nov 21 02:22:31 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAL7MVs32691 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 02:22:31 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 02:22:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200111210722.fAL7MUr32687@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >If I hadn't recently had to rent in-city storage for a car ('62 Benz >220 SEb) I'd buy Kelly's RR--unseen. With RRs, the older and simpler >the better (IMHO). > >Kevan Wiser >just one old RR--but would love another Just wondering if you could fill me in on your experiences with in-city vehcile storage? General location, cost, etc? Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Wed Nov 21 02:26:54 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAL7QsY32729 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 02:26:54 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 02:26:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200111210726.fAL7QrJ32725@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles- This doesn't make sense. I can see where the right axle is shorter and therefore on tight turns, would be loaded higher than the left side, but the right side tire would not see any more torque than the left, hence no difference if tire wear. Strange tire wear usually comes from swivel pin problems, loose tie rods or wrong toe. >From my understanding of the viscous coupling, the rear wheels are always engaged and the viscous slip is between the front and the rear, no? (this is typical of other viscous AWD vehicles). Drive goes through the viscous unit before going out to the front wheels. It does not appear to be active between the planetary or the primary drive chain. It would not make sense to have: Transmission - viscous coupling - planetary/transfer output as you would still get bind up from the axles. Let me know if I'm totally washed up! Later, Kelly Minnick > Actually - no, but I believe it has some relation to the Series trucks > having weak rear axles! > Seriously...so long as the transfer case is working fine, then all is > well: but of the VC stops sending power to the rear wheels, then the > front wheels take up ALL the strain, and the CV's start to give up - > usually (from what I've heard) the right one first, and most often. > I forgot to mention sudden and severe front tire wear as a warning sign > as well. (another thing I forgot that I needed for that beast!) > That transfer case is a real devil indeed: either it stops sending power > to the front wheels, or it stops sending power to the rear wheels, or, it > simply stops sending out power alltogether! It just depends on how it > gives up. > Charles From bens Wed Nov 21 02:33:47 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAL7Xlf32763 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 02:33:47 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 02:33:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200111210733.fAL7XlL32759@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org You probably did bend them: I almost had the same thing happen to me once, but a much older and more experienced mechanic taught me a neat trick...to properly tighten those bolts, you need a socket that has the face ground flat, to remove the chamfer that's just on the inside of the face. The flywheel bolts on MGB's have VERY thin heads on them, and most sockets won't grab them enough. Box-end wrenches are also useless on them - you'll rip the hexes off the bolt heads before you tighten them down.. Charles On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 02:15:53 -0500 John Young writes: > > oh, wait, that was because I didn't bend > those > damned locking tabs over for the flywheel bolts while putting the > motor back together late at night without enough sleep. Three bolts > worked themselves out and the other three sheared off. Having > the flywheel become detached from the crankshaft at 60 mph on hwy 1 > is not good. Pretty place to be stranded, though. > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Wed Nov 21 02:51:13 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAL7pDh00401 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 02:51:13 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 02:51:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200111210751.fAL7pCR00397@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 02:26:53 -0500 "Kelly Minnick" writes: > > Charles- > This doesn't make sense. I can see where the right axle is shorter > and > therefore on tight turns, would be loaded higher than the left side, > but the > right side tire would not see any more torque than the left, hence > no > difference if tire wear. Strange tire wear usually comes from swivel [ 20 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Kelly, Sort of: The viscuous coupling, as I understand it, is designed to increase/decrease traction at either end of the vehicle as needed. It drives all wheels, all the time. My cheapie Haynes manual doesn't describe exactly how it does this, but it does have a quick diagnostic that I used on my own truck: "Viscous Unit Check: The viscous unit may be checked while installed on the gearbox as follows...First, remove either the front OR the rear propellor shaft. With the propellor shaft removed it should be possible to drive the vehicle, providing that drive is being transferred to the propellor shaft connected to the gearbox. If no drive is transferred, the viscous unit is faulty; however, it is possible for the unit to partially fail. The latter will cause the engine speed to be high with little (or no) vehicle movement." The tire wear - characteristic of a very heavy vehicle that usually doesn't run on front-wheel drive only. (oddly enough, Minis with much larger tires suffer the same problem, and they're front-wheel drive only...I had one that wore 13x8" wheels!) My tires were near new, and within 6 months, the fronts wore to nothing. I didn't have a clue as to the problem until I broke a CV joint. (the front suspension bushings are worn, but they were like that when I bought the truck - and there was never a problem with tire wear) In other words, the front axle is not strong enough to pull a Rangie all by itself for long periods. The CV on the right going first - in layman's terms, think of a P-51 Mustang at take-off throttle: once the throttle is opened, the rear of the aircraft is so light that full right rudder is mandatory immediately, because the plane wants to yaw to the left. (or is it the other way 'round? - you get the idea...) Same goes for a diff - one side always bites before the other side does, though in theory they should work evenly. Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Wed Nov 21 03:16:08 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAL8G8t00542 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 03:16:08 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 03:16:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200111210816.fAL8G7500538@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Biophilian@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: MB 220 was weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 11/20/01 11:04:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, cirvin1258@juno.com writes: << YOU have a '62 Merc 220??????? I LOVE those! I don't have one, but I love 'em...something about the lines, and the sound...can use bigger wheels, but... >> Yup, we're owner #2, Charles. It was bought new in Germany and still has the original clear "Madonna" marker/signal lights up front. We are fortunate, as it has been maintained in excellent condition; we have receipts for original owner "maintenance" like fresh paint, upholstery, and a rebuilt drivetrain. Those Benz owners.... Er, I mean US Benz owners. It really could use taller wheels, but I've only put about 1k a year on it and hate to mess with something that has been just fine for 40 years. You should have been on the ride up Hwy 1/101 to Seattle from LA when we brought it home! BBBBbbbbbbrrrrraaaaap! It's fun. Kevan From bens Wed Nov 21 03:41:22 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAL8fMT00667 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 03:41:22 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 03:41:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200111210841.fAL8fMo00663@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Biophilian@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Car Storage was weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 11/20/01 11:24:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, jpipes@csd.uwm.edu writes: << Just wondering if you could fill me in on your experiences with in-city vehcile storage? General location, cost, etc? Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com >> Jason, Sorry, I should have clarified that I'm in Seattle, not SF. If my experience here can be of help.... Generally speaking, storage is cheaper in the suburbs, but obviously less convenient if you live in the town. I also found rates varied accordingly with how "new" the facility appeared, although the security and access was similar. For example, one new facility quoted me a rate of $320/mo for an outside parking stall, and one I know to be about 10 years old quoted $160/mo indoors with video surveillance.... Many don't have storage for any vehicles. I do know that there are collector's garages here in SEA, as well as in SF, however I don't want to get the car too comfy--I need to get my garage cleaned out! Kevan From bens Wed Nov 21 09:10:19 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fALEAJv02142 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:10:19 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:10:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200111211410.fALEAIk02138@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Coil Power Steering (was: weakest link yadda yadda yadda) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >The Scout II box I put in Sherman around 10-11 years ago is still going >strong. I paid $30.00 for it I paid under $50 for the Scout II steering box and pump that is in The Green Rover. Mine came from a Watsonville auto wrecker. > very few have discovered them for conversions. I wouldn't bet on that. The power steering conversion page in my web site has been getting a fair amount of traffic. I suspect series power steering is an up and coming modification. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Wed Nov 21 10:33:16 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fALFXGF02533 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:33:16 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:33:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200111211533.fALFXFx02529@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Matt Wilson To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kelly Minnick Wrote: How does the Volvo do off-road? :) (I'm asking $5500 & still writing up my list on new stuff I've done) The Volvo actually does pretty well, Well the most its seen is the road to Edison Lake. I thought that was extreme until half way there we ran into some guy on a ford tractor pulling a 50' house boat. We back up for quit a ways before there was a wide enough place for him to pass. I have actually started to send an email or two asking about coming up to see your RR, I really do want one. But I have a rule I try to follow. Only one vehicle at a time. I know Charles would think that's pretty crazy, and I have missed out on some pretty good deals. Matt W From bens Wed Nov 21 10:57:41 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fALFvfj02665 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:57:41 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:57:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200111211557.fALFve402661@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....That transfer case is a real devil indeed:...." Tough for me to wrap my brain around how all those failure modes are possible, mechanically. Sounds like I need to find some manuals... -Dave G. From bens Wed Nov 21 11:07:42 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fALG7gA02729 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 11:07:42 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 11:07:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200111211607.fALG7gO02725@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....I think most viscous problems .... are directly related to how often the fluid is changed...." Does the RR VC make use of the fluid in the transfer case? I thought the fluids used in VCs were special, and made to change shear modulus rapidly with temp change, and thus that the viscous coupling itself had to be sealed with that special fluid inside. Do the ones in the RR t-cases make use of the fluid that you can change when you pull the drain plug? -Dave G. From bens Wed Nov 21 11:25:46 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fALGPkD02867 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 11:25:46 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 11:25:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200111211625.fALGPjw02863@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Fw: [rovernet] 1971 Land Rover for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks, Steve is located in South Dakota: this is the only post that I've seen for this truck, so I'd currently guess that his friend is there too. Charles --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "steve bridge" To: "RoverNet Mailing List" Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 16:06:32 +0000 Subject: [rovernet] 1971 Land Rover for sale Message-ID: Hello all, A friend is selling a 1971 Land Rover rolling chassis, I don't know the price, bu if anyone is interested... Steve _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --- You are currently subscribed to rovernet as: [cirvin1258@juno.com] To unsubscribe, forward this message to leave-rovernet-14086Q@lyris.ccdata.com RoverNet is sponsored by Classic Car Data (http://www.ccdata.com) Visit the RoverNet Archives at http://misc.nipltd.com/P6ROC/RoverNet.nsf ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Wed Nov 21 12:19:22 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fALHJMT03133 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:19:22 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:19:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200111211719.fALHJLs03129@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: series weak link Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 27 lines filtered. ] ------_=_NextPart_001_01C172B0.A779666A charset="iso-8859-1" Matt, Great note, yours. Pershing has yet to leave me stranded (neither did Watusi, for that matter), and the A/C works exactly like Rusty's! Cheers. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C172B0.A779666A From bens Wed Nov 21 12:50:21 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fALHoL303293 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:50:21 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:50:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200111211750.fALHoLV03289@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hope Peter" To: Subject: Re: Coil Power Steering (was: weakest link yadda yadda yadda) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Hey everyone, > > For everyone out there who has experienced the leaky PS box (or should I > call it the PoS box???), start scouring your local scrap yards for Scout II > Saginaw power steering boxes. > > Let's just say 'a little birdy' told me something.... Sounds like you have been reading the LRO list or talking to tc. Seems that all of a sudden there are a bunch of people looking for em. Pete From bens Wed Nov 21 12:54:14 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fALHsEj03312 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:54:14 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:54:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200111211754.fALHsEC03308@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Gomes, David wrote: > Does the RR VC make use of the fluid in the transfer case? No. It is sealed with it's own special fluid inside. I still think it is a good idea to change the ATF every 30K miles, but every time I have done that it looks exactly the same as what I put in. I understand the Jeep Grand Cherokee uses a very similar transfer case, with a lot of parts, including the viscous coupling, in common. From bens Wed Nov 21 13:19:30 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fALIJUP03469 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 13:19:30 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 13:19:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200111211819.fALIJTg03465@minbar.fourfold.org> From: BSharp4601@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Dormobile stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 11/20/2001 11:18:59 PM US Mountain Standard Time, owner-mendo_recce-digest@fourfold.org writes: > > I visited Simon a couple weeks ago in Southampton. His Dormobile company is > now owned by a much larger company that owns/maintains/supplies Land Rovers > of every make and model. Simon and his brother Tim are still running and > developing the business though. They seemed like they had a lot going on. But has anyone determined why they won't respond to orders from the US? My last contact from Simon was an e-mail on 6/28 promising that my conversion kit would be shipped shortly after the Billing Show. To date, nothing, not even responses to further e-mails. I've been trying to get a conversion since prior to April 2000! E-mails to their interim web page have gone unanswered too. Bob Sharp Tucson, AZ The slumbering herd on the Rover Ranch: 52 Series I 80" 53 Series I 80" 60 Series II 88" 63 Series IIa 88" 71 Series IIa 109" 96 Discovery Series I "Why is it that every project you complete on a Land Rover results in knowledge and skills you hope you never need to use again?" From bens Wed Nov 21 13:46:49 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fALIknc03599 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 13:46:49 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 13:46:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200111211846.fALIkme03595@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey - one is never enough! I'm holding at 9 vehicles - though I too have been forced to pass on a few, Alvin has something like 24, I have a friend into "junk" Maseratis that has just climbed upto 30 or so, with the recent re-purchase of an Alfa Spider that he once owned! Even Karen Sindir has shown signs of wanting to expand her fleet lately. (I'd guess that her excuse would be "buying now, for when the kids are old enough"...) The tough part, is trying to decide on what you're going to work on 'today'... Charles On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:33:15 -0500 Matt Wilson writes: > > > But I have a rule I try to follow. > Only one > vehicle at a time. I know Charles would think that's pretty crazy, > and I have > missed out on some pretty good deals. > > Matt W [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Wed Nov 21 16:05:41 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fALL5fk04302 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 16:05:41 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 16:05:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200111212105.fALL5eC04298@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ 16 lines filtered. ] --=====================_23846598==_.ALT BTW, My comment about maybe not buying a Rangy Rover should have had the winking eye, Or maybe the winking bull since I was only playing around. Bob B Bob Bernard Paradise,CA. 530-877-2749 69-88 "Sherman" Bob's, 65-88 "Olivia" Sue's, 51-80 "Axl"? Shop's --=====================_23846598==_.ALT From bens Wed Nov 21 16:05:38 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fALL5cX04293 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 16:05:38 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 16:05:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200111212105.fALL5bA04289@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ 18 lines filtered. ] --=====================_23846582==_.ALT OK I'm only at six vehicles, and I thought I was bad! Deciding what to work on is the reason the 51-80" is finally going together after resting in the shop for 15 years. Bob B At 10:46 AM 11/21/2001, you wrote: >Hey - one is never enough! > >I'm holding at 9 vehicles - though I too have been forced to pass on a >few, Alvin has something like 24, >The tough part, is trying to decide on what you're going to work on >'today'... > >Charles --=====================_23846582==_.ALT From bens Wed Nov 21 16:09:45 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fALL9j204320 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 16:09:45 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 16:09:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200111212109.fALL9iL04316@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Coil Power Steering (was: weakest link yadda yadda yadda) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ 28 lines filtered. ] --=====================_24080412==_.ALT Hi Pete, Michael Slade already has the Scout 2 Saginaw power steering box in his 53-80". Done by Timm C. I guess from the sound of Michael's comment, Timm has figured out that it will be able to fit De Range Rover. Bob B At 09:50 AM 11/21/2001, Michael S. wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > > > For everyone out there who has experienced the leaky PS box (or should I > > call it the PoS box???), start scouring your local scrap yards for Scout >II > > Saginaw power steering boxes. > > > > Let's just say 'a little birdy' told me something.... > [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] --=====================_24080412==_.ALT From bens Wed Nov 21 17:04:50 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fALM4oE04589 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 17:04:50 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 17:04:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200111212204.fALM4nP04585@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Coil Power Steering (was: weakest link yadda yadda yadda) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bob wrote... >Hi Pete, >Michael Slade already has the Scout 2 Saginaw power steering box in his >53-80". >Done by Timm C. >I guess from the sound of Michael's comment, Timm has figured out that it >will be able to fit De Range Rover. And more.... Later, Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From bens Wed Nov 21 18:41:49 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fALNfnG05040 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:41:49 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:41:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200111212341.fALNfng05036@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hope Peter" To: Subject: Re: Coil Power Steering (was: weakest link yadda yadda yadda) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > And more.... > > Later, > > Michael Yes, I thought I had found a source (i need two) but they seem to have already been promised to Timm. :-) Was thinking "funny small world" but with the internet I guess not Later Pete From bens Wed Nov 21 19:05:30 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAM05UP05201 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:05:30 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:05:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200111220005.fAM05Tg05192@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Bob Frey Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 5 lines filtered. ] I've tried to contact Bob using the email address I had. Anybody? Zack From bens Wed Nov 21 19:06:53 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAM06rC05285 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:06:53 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:06:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200111220006.fAM06q305276@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Niagra, and the really old tree Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bruce and others. One year on a NCRC trip we ended up at a little state park with one really old tree(~3000 years?). I think it was a manzanita. I am almost sure it was on a Niagra trip, up towards eagle peak. Am I getting old and forgetfull. I have noticed how many of these trips have started to meld together. Just seeing if I had my first senior moment. -Rob From bens Wed Nov 21 19:06:55 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAM06t905299 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:06:55 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:06:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200111220006.fAM06sL05295@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Off Road Technique Question... aka What Would You Do?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I think everyone will agree, failed hill climbs and the resulting reverse >are possibly the most dangerous situations to be in offroad. Amen to that > In fact, just >recently I myself rolled my Disco rather dramatically (featured in the >current issues of LRW I might add...) as a result of a failed hill climb. Dumb question time from a series driver. Were you guys in low range? Were you driving manual or automatic gearboxes? Low range reverse in a series rig is a very low ratio and it is virtually impossible to move quickly as long as the box doesn't pop out of gear. As I see it, in a series rig there are four major things that can cause trouble (I'm sure there are more but 4 come to mind). 1. Not getting the gearbox into reverse before the vehicle starts rolling backwards down the slope - A real issue with 109s since the front brakes have all leading shoes and no trailing shoes. 2. Gearbox popping out of reverse into neutral. A real possibility in a worn gearbox or with a weak reverse detent spring. 3. Tyres loosing traction and the vehicle starts sliding unpredictably - Far more likely if your foot is even close to the brake pedal. 4. Driver loosing control or driving into an unseen obstacle. This is where a spotter walking alongside the rear of the vehicle would come in handy. See #3 for why the spotter should not be there in the first place though. So what's different???. Besides the ABS? Why are you getting so much speed on the reverse downhill? You have already provided me with the impression that ABS doesn't belong off road. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Wed Nov 21 19:05:34 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAM05YH05231 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:05:34 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:05:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200111220005.fAM05Wf05212@minbar.fourfold.org> From: omont To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: ID'd lr Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks Charles and Bill. There are a couple of hundred lucky bastards here with 110s and 90s. Oscar omont@i-manila.com.ph '89 NAS RR JE4.5 (thomas) '96 Defender 110 300Tdi (sam) ============================ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 19:54:52 -0400 From: Charles R Irvin Subject: Re: Oscar - you lucky bastard! (D110/300Tdi...) Sounds like a 1958/59 Series II...are the sides of the body totally flat? If so, then Series I: if they're just like your D110, then it's a Series II. (NOT a IIA) Charles On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 19:23:56 -0400 omont writes: > > Hi all...I'm in the Philippines and this fella is trying to figure out what he's got. Any help would be appreciated. > > Land Rover Series II, 88" > inverted "T" mesh grill > inboard sealed beam headlights > 2 doors, originally a swing down tailgate [ 16 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:23:13 -0400 From: Gbrovers@aol.com Subject: Re: No Subject Oscar Probably a 1958 Series 2. Bill GBR From bens Wed Nov 21 19:05:35 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAM05Z605249 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:05:35 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:05:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200111220005.fAM05Yh05240@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Freeman, Ben" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Wolf rim order.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org SOme of you may be aware that last week early I posted a request for any additional takers an I was palling on submitting my order by last Friday. However, the Nimbus virus struck the server that I get my e-mail and so it was shut down intermitently the 19-23. As such anyone who sent me an intitail inquirey and didn't hear back or was bounced "PLEASE" try again. I want to get everyone's name down. That responded. I will be sending in the order on Wednesday the 26th. I am ordering 100 Wolf rims. Now I may be able to order at the same time a set of the 130 Wolf rims as well. Or even the Fancy Defender steel rims commonly found on Defenders in France. Also refered to as Fancy Steel rims. Since someone out there asked about them. Sorry for the plea....Happy Rovering.. From bens Wed Nov 21 19:04:09 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAM049i05152 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:04:09 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:04:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200111220004.fAM048U05143@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Young To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Off Road Technique Question... aka What Would You Do?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org David wrote: > I have a 2001 Discovery II. It performed flawlessly except we almost got ... > reverse, and started to back down the hill. The engine braking was not > sufficient to keep us at a reasonable pace. Whenever Lisa hit the > brakes... and she did this gently, not a hard slam. The front wheels > would lock up and we would begin to slide. I have a 99 Disco II, and am curious about the following: * Did you have Hill Descent Control enabled? * Were you in low range? I am guessing that you did, but I just wanted to verify for my own analysis, since we have roughly the same vehicle. Thanks! John Young From bens Wed Nov 21 19:05:35 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAM05Zw05248 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:05:35 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:05:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200111220005.fAM05YX05234@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeremy Bartlett To: Mendo List Subject: Re: Off Road Technique Question... aka What Would You Do?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'll agree with Jason. I do have question: was HDC engaged? Jeremy From bens Wed Nov 21 19:04:09 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAM049m05151 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:04:09 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:04:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200111220004.fAM048l05144@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: GPS, CB, Ham Questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Michael Petrone wrote: >Now for the questions. >Do NCRC offer orienteering classes for map >reading to GPS? Sounds like it might be an interesting meeting idea? >What is recommended as good hard mount >CB unit ? I only use my CB a few times a year and I'm real happy with the performance of my handheld CB when attached to the mag mount roof antenna. The best part is that I can "install" or remove it in under 30 seconds. I also have a handheld Ham with a mag mount roof antenna. Another advantage of handhelds is that you can unplug from the Land Rover and carry them with you (or take them mountain biking etc.). >What is the web site for HAM Radio instruction or lessons? I lost my link, but I'm sure some of the newer Mendo hams have it. Kevin Kelly From bens Wed Nov 21 19:05:33 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAM05Xp05228 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:05:33 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:05:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200111220005.fAM05Wk05211@minbar.fourfold.org> From: omont To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: NAS 110 question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks Frank!! Oscar omont@i-manila.com.ph '89 NAS RR JE4.5 (thomas) '96 Defender 110 300Tdi (sam) ========================================= Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 22:27:10 -0400 From: FHY Subject: Re: NAS 110 question yes. - --------------------------------------------- omont wrote: From bens Wed Nov 21 19:05:33 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAM05Xr05227 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:05:33 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:05:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200111220005.fAM05Wi05215@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "rwfrey@mail.almda1.sfba.home.com" To: Subject: Re: Bob Frey Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Zack and others... My email is rwfrey@home.com Bob From bens Wed Nov 21 19:06:52 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAM06qv05273 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:06:52 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:06:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200111220006.fAM06pm05267@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Looking for a Trailer Wiring Harness for a 2001 Discovery Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...4.0SE trailer wiring and house trailer towing experiences at http://www.rangerovers.net/outfitting/rrtowing.htm..." I just have to take a minute to say thanks a million for maintaining such a great website, John. It's a great service to all LR owners and especially to Rangie owners. Most people don't know how much time and effort it really takes to maintain a site like that with current information. I have to remind myself, every time I think of asking the list a question, "Check rangerovers.net !" 9 times out of 10, I find more information there than I had dreamed of, and get on my way pretty quickly. Thanks again, John. -Dave G. From bens Wed Nov 21 19:05:29 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAM05T305194 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:05:29 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:05:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200111220005.fAM05Sn05180@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: spring cleaning Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org hiya, I just went though a pile of articles I ripped out of Land Rover magazines. I kept those with Dormies or Barbara Toy or other things I felt like keeping but am offering the following to folks. Send me an email with your snail mail address, and if the article is available, I'll confirm by email and then send it out. cheers, PS. It's raining in Davis at 8PM. LRM April 1999 p 110-112 ACR power plus article LRO Sept 1994 radiator removal LRO Oct 1994 1971 Rangie article Series 3 the final years LRO Oct 1995 Lucas alternator overhaul LRO may 1995 Leaf spring replacement KAM diffs LRO jan 1997 the Kevin Muggleton trans africa trip (Lovedu on the web, remember?) LRO jan 1997 clutch and bake master cylinder overhaul LRO aug 1996 Salisbury rebuild LRO June 1997 detroit locker LRO June 1997 Herb Zipkins 109 LRO Nov 1997 110 in desert of Libya replacing 109 IIA springs and shocks LRW July 1999 Carawagen in the Middle east. LRO Dec 1994 series 2a 88" carawagon article about a series 2 resto changine from dynamo to alternator LRO jan 1995 The carawagon story part 2 John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" From bens Wed Nov 21 19:06:53 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAM06rZ05289 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:06:53 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:06:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200111220006.fAM06qR05277@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Wendell \"Reed\" Cotton" To: Subject: RE: Off Road Technique Question... aka What Would You Do?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Having lived in both worlds, I must say that your assessment of a Series in this situation is accurate. In low-range, you might be able to park it halfway down a cliff you just drove off. A Disco, doesn't have that kind of low-gearing. In low-range, your decent will be faster than in a Series. (Of course you have more cc's for engine braking, but you still are not going as slow.) Even going forwards down a steep hill with good traction, can make you feel a bit queasy in the stomach, if you are used to the LOW of a Series or a Jeep. I agree with your comment about the spotters too. People are too frail to try and stop runaway vehicles, or catch them before rolling over. -Reed Cotton -----Original Message----- From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org] On Behalf Of TeriAnn Wakeman Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 7:12 AM To: mendo rec list Subject: Re: Off Road Technique Question... aka What Would You Do?? >I think everyone will agree, failed hill climbs and the resulting reverse >are possibly the most dangerous situations to be in offroad. Amen to that > In fact, just >recently I myself rolled my Disco rather dramatically (featured in the >current issues of LRW I might add...) as a result of a failed hill climb. Dumb question time from a series driver. Were you guys in low range? Were you driving manual or automatic gearboxes? Low range reverse in a series rig is a very low ratio and it is virtually impossible to move quickly as long as the box doesn't pop out of gear. As I see it, in a series rig there are four major things that can cause trouble (I'm sure there are more but 4 come to mind). 1. Not getting the gearbox into reverse before the vehicle starts rolling backwards down the slope - A real issue with 109s since the front brakes have all leading shoes and no trailing shoes. 2. Gearbox popping out of reverse into neutral. A real possibility in a worn gearbox or with a weak reverse detent spring. 3. Tyres loosing traction and the vehicle starts sliding unpredictably - Far more likely if your foot is even close to the brake pedal. 4. Driver loosing control or driving into an unseen obstacle. This is where a spotter walking alongside the rear of the vehicle would come in handy. See #3 for why the spotter should not be there in the first place though. So what's different???. Besides the ABS? Why are you getting so much speed on the reverse downhill? You have already provided me with the impression that ABS doesn't belong off road. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Wed Nov 21 19:54:16 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAM0sGJ05554 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:54:16 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:54:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200111220054.fAM0sFA05550@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: TIME WARP Re: Off Road Technique Question... aka What Would You Do?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org WHATS GOING ON HERE????? This is an old reply/question that I sent months ago & was posted months ago What is it doing coming through pretending to be a new message? We're doing the time warp again >>I think everyone will agree, failed hill climbs and the resulting reverse >>are possibly the most dangerous situations to be in offroad. > >Amen to that > >> In fact, just >>recently I myself rolled my Disco rather dramatically (featured in the >>current issues of LRW I might add...) as a result of a failed hill climb. > [ 45 additional quoted lines pruned. ] TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Wed Nov 21 19:59:45 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAM0xjo05594 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:59:45 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:59:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200111220059.fAM0xiJ05590@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hope Peter" To: Subject: Re: TIME WARP Re: Off Road Technique Question... aka What Would You Do?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > WHATS GOING ON HERE????? > Phewwww. Just found a nasty v on my harddrive...thought the two were related. Glad I am not the only one getting old mendo. Pete From bens Wed Nov 21 19:56:43 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAM0uhe05583 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:56:43 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:56:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200111220056.fAM0uhS05579@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: spring cleaning Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ 17 lines filtered. ] --=====================_37653722==_.ALT Boy! Just because your computer thinks it's 7PM, You believe it's 8PM? What time zone is Davis in anyhoo??? 8PM in Davis, 4PM in Paradise. Bob B At 04:05 PM 11/21/2001, you wrote: >hiya, >cheers, > >PS. It's raining in Davis at 8PM. > >John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us --=====================_37653722==_.ALT From bens Wed Nov 21 20:09:29 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAM19T505650 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 20:09:29 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 20:09:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200111220109.fAM19Td05646@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: TIME WARP Re: Off Road Technique Question... aka What Would Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Good its not just me! I haven't even started on the Holiday spirits yet! The E-mail from Rob was old also.... Ben, are you drinking the cooking sherry for the Turkey while administering the Mail server again ? :) TomW > > WHATS GOING ON HERE????? > > This is an old reply/question that I sent months ago & was posted months > ago > > What is it doing coming through pretending to be a new message? > > We're doing the time warp again [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Wed Nov 21 20:24:45 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAM1Ojt05730 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 20:24:45 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 20:24:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200111220124.fAM1Oih05726@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo rec list Subject: Re: TIME WARP Re: Off Road Technique Question... aka What Would You Do?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org weird, my spring cleaning message also came out of the ether. On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > > WHATS GOING ON HERE????? > > This is an old reply/question that I sent months ago & was posted months > ago > > What is it doing coming through pretending to be a new message? > > We're doing the time warp again [ 24 additional quoted lines pruned. ] john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens Wed Nov 21 21:18:45 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAM2Ij105972 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 21:18:45 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 21:18:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200111220218.fAM2Ijm05968@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Leslie Dow To: mendo Subject: NCRC Winter party lodgings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi all, Yes, Chris and I are still alive...although hideously overworked these days. It seems like months since I have even looked at Mendo! I did notice that the NCRC Xmas party is looming and it is in Palo Alto! Chris and I live in Palo Alto...and we will be attending the party. Anyway, I would like to offer our extra room and our trailer to anyone who is attending and would like a place to stay. Our extra room currently has a single bed but it can be easily outfitted with a queen size air mattress. The trailer (which had its maiden voyage last year at mendo) has two pullout double beds. We can put additional kiddos in with our fry. We are about 2 miles from Gordon Biersch the NCRC Party venue. Let one of us know if you would like a place to stay.... happy partying!!! leslie -- Leslie Johnston-Dow, Ph.D. Sequencing Software Group Lead, Applied Biosystems johnstln@appliedbiosystems.com 650-638-5104 KG6HSG From bens Wed Nov 21 22:05:09 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAM359106184 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 22:05:09 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 22:05:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200111220305.fAM358406180@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: TIME WARP Re: Off Road Technique Question... aka What Would You Do?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "LET'S DO THE TIME WARP AGAIN!!!!!!! ...It's just a jump to the left..." :) Charles On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 20:24:44 -0500 john hess writes: > > > weird, my spring cleaning message also came out of the ether. > > > On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > > > > > WHATS GOING ON HERE????? [ 14 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Wed Nov 21 23:05:28 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAM45SE06446 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:05:28 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:05:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200111220405.fAM45RY06442@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Royanne Curtin To: , Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #592 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The weirdest weakest link I ever experienced was a mysterious total brake loss on the highway coming back one weekend from Nevada City to the Bay Area. Since I had the family with me, it was also the scariest. Carefully crossing my fingers I glided to a stop using the handbrake. After a cursory look under the truck and under the hood the brakes miraculously rematerialized, though not as strong as the originals. Gingerly, we made it the rest of the way home. After a phone call the next morning, the dealer demanded the truck immediately. Half a day later, looking somewhat sheepish and slightly embarrassed, they made her mine again with only the vaguest of explanations, no charge and no paperwork. I still have no idea what really happened or why the technicians couldn't wait to cure something they weren't about to explain. Any ideas? Paul ('90 Range Rover 148K) > From: owner-mendo_recce-digest@fourfold.org (Mendo_Recce digest:) > Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 01:17:13 -0500 > To: mendo_recce-digest@fourfold.org > Subject: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #592 > > > Mendo_Recce digest: Wednesday, November 21 2001 Volume 02 : Number 592 > [ 1273 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Nov 22 00:11:08 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAM5B8b07145 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 00:11:08 -0500 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 00:11:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200111220511.fAM5B7H07141@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: weakest link? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I didn't know this. So, it's a sealed unit sitting inside the transfer case? Heat must be transferred by conduction from the ATF? Later, Kelly Minnick > > Does the RR VC make use of the fluid in the transfer case? > No. It is sealed with it's own special fluid inside. I still think it is > a good idea to change the ATF every 30K miles, but every time I have > done that it looks exactly the same as what I put in. > I understand the Jeep Grand Cherokee uses a very similar transfer case, > with a lot of parts, including the viscous coupling, in common. From bens Thu Nov 22 02:07:21 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAM77LL08309 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 02:07:21 -0500 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 02:07:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200111220707.fAM77KW08305@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: SII parts in England Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I need to find a few very early SII stuff. Who would be the good place to start in England. For example Rear break plunger adjuster. Early SII rear breaks used a plunger similar to the one in the hand break, but they are larger. I lost two of mine, when the tool box they were in got stolen. Thanks Mehdi From bens Thu Nov 22 09:36:33 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAMEaX710286 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 09:36:33 -0500 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 09:36:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200111221436.fAMEaW410282@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Freeman, Ben" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Time Warp... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Wow this was a post from Sept? Now I do have one set of 5 available if any one is interestred however your in line behind Timm Cooper..for them. That timm is into everything..lol A POS box inexpensive is a great thing...:-) I;ll be out sourceing a few myself. Hey Peter there's a number of wrecking yards in your neck of the woods. Happy Rovering.. From bens Thu Nov 22 10:56:33 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAMFuXG10627 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:56:33 -0500 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:56:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200111221556.fAMFuWR10623@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeremy Bartlett To: Mendo List Subject: VCU Failure (was weakest link) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "Viscous Unit Check: The viscous unit may be checked while installed on the gearbox as follows...First, remove either the front OR the rear propellor shaft." I'll add that this check assumes that the VCU fails "open" which it usually does. I have, however, seen them fail "closed" which can create symptoms similar to a siezed diff (wheel chirping/grabbin on turns). Propped up with all wheels off the ground there is no give and the rears turn the front and visa versa. Having said that I wouldn't consider the VCU a weak link or a common failure by any means. Of course the best way of dealing with a weak link, apart from the simple spares/fixes, is to travel in convoy (preferably with similar vehicles) Jeremy From bens Thu Nov 22 11:43:03 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAMGh3E10864 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:43:03 -0500 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:43:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200111221643.fAMGh2w10860@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: TIME WARP Re: Off Road Technique Question... aka What Would You Do?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200111220054.fAM0sFA05550@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > WHATS GOING ON HERE????? > > This is an old reply/question that I sent months ago & was posted months > ago > > What is it doing coming through pretending to be a new message? > > We're doing the time warp again After reviewing the sendmail logs from approx 19:04:08 to 19:06:54 EST 21 Nov 2001, someone claiming to be dow@thelen.org from the IP address of 209.140.230.114 (an IP address that does not have a reverse (PTR) record, but is registered to Chris Dow according to ARIN: WINSTAR (NET-NETBLK-WINSTAR-BLK6) NETBLK-WINSTAR-BLK6 209.140.0.0 - 209.141.255.255 WebNexus Communications (NETBLK-WEBNEXUS-GN) WEBNEXUS-GN 209.140.224.0 - 209.140.239.255 Christopher Dow (NETBLK-WBNC-THELEN-BLK1) WBNC-THELEN-BLK1 209.140.230.112 - 209.140.230.127 ) sent 13 old email messages to mendo. The envelopes were labled as from dow@thelen.org (what I see in the logs), but the from line in the message was left as the original sender (This is possible because the email protocol doesn't care what you put in the headed of the message--that just text. Just as with a real letter you can put one thing on the envelope and sign it from different person on the letter itself. So the email looked like a resent message from the original author). So it looks to me as if Chris either accidentially resent the mail back to mendo when going through his folders. Or he has a virus that did so. The list, itself, is functioning normally. Ben From bens Thu Nov 22 11:43:42 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAMGhgf10875 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:43:42 -0500 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:43:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200111221643.fAMGhfu10871@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: TIME WARP Re: Off Road Technique Question... aka What Would Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200111220109.fAM19Td05646@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > Ben, are you drinking the cooking sherry for the Turkey while > administering the Mail server again ? :) Nope as sober as I can be. Ben From bens Thu Nov 22 13:13:41 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAMIDfq11334 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:13:41 -0500 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:13:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200111221813.fAMIDem11330@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Weak Links Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kelly Minnick wrote: >I think most viscous problems (and auto trans) are >directly related to how often the fluid is changed & >how hot the fluid has gotten. A viscous system >works on slip. If it slips a lot, the system will need >it's fluid changed. If the oil level gets low, the chances >for scorching the fluid is high. JMHO. Later, I agree with this and it seems like automatic transmissions will almost last forever if you change the fluid every 30,000 miles (I know of many well maintained autos with well over 300,000 miles) and don't abuse the tranny (like towing heavy loads without a tranny fluid cooler). It takes under 5 minutes to change the ATF in the Range Rover transfer case (I do it every third oil change) with a pump that screws in to a bottle of ATF. Fil wrote: >Than his Range Rover headliner is sagging The Range Rover headliner is another Land Rover "weak link". An easy fix for minor sagging is to punch a hole in the center of the sagging area and pop in one of the OEM fuzzy headliner plugs that hold the headliner to the roof. I lost the part number but they are a little over a dollar each (I've got about a half dozen in my headliner). Kevin Kelly P.S. Blair's e-mail reminded me about the plastic Land Rover radiator plugs that should have been on my top 10 items to carry list (I carry three). From bens Thu Nov 22 14:27:50 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAMJRox11704 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 14:27:50 -0500 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 14:27:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200111221927.fAMJRnO11700@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Weak Links Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dunno if they're still available, but Rover SD1's used a brass plug. I'm sure that some older Brit parts suppliers may still have a few of these on a shelf. Charles - changing head gaskets on my SD1 (FINALLY!!!) On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:13:40 -0500 "Kevin Kelly" writes: > > > P.S. Blair's e-mail reminded me about the plastic Land Rover > radiator plugs that should have been on my top 10 items to > carry list (I carry three). > > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Thu Nov 22 15:31:34 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAMKVYd11997 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 15:31:34 -0500 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 15:31:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200111222031.fAMKVYi11993@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: VCU Failure (was weakest link) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jeremy wrote... >Of course the best way of dealing with a weak link, apart from the >simple spares/fixes, is to travel in convoy (preferably with similar >vehicles) > >Jeremy Yeah, I should make sure to convoy with Granny, so that when my VCU finally gives out I can take the one out of his truck and use it as a spare! Hehe. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From bens Fri Nov 23 13:06:32 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fANI6W218676 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 13:06:32 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 13:06:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200111231806.fANI6Vm18672@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: CBs for Sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A guy I work with has a couple CBs for sale on eBay. I have the URL to the handheld below. If anyone on the list buys one I can bring it to the NCRC holiday party to save on shipping. Kevin http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=12970 88317&r=0 From bens Fri Nov 23 15:48:14 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fANKmEl19380 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:48:14 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:48:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200111232048.fANKmEq19376@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: flat sealing insulation strip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hiya, I went to TeriAnn's pages and I went to the LRO archive (are they searchable?) and I tried Google for a few minutes. What's the flat semi sticky stuff I should put down when I reassemble the seat box and floor boards in Stubby? I think it's a 3M product that comes in a roll. Davis Lumber (more of a hardware store) and Hibbert Lumber (more of a lumber store with other stuff for contractors) didn't have what I have in mind. Thanks, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista From bens Fri Nov 23 16:43:58 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fANLhwJ19699 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 16:43:58 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 16:43:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200111232143.fANLhvZ19695@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: flat sealing insulation strip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 14 lines filtered. ] In a message dated 11/23/01 12:51:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us writes: > Davis Lumber (more of a hardware store) and > Hibbert Lumber (more of a lumber store with other stuff for > contractors) didn't have what I have in mind. > > Tell them you are sealing T-111 plywood siding, and ask for roll caulk. It should come in a roll with paper in between just like double sticky tape. It comes a bit wide for what you want, but is cuttable, removable and so on. Zack From bens Fri Nov 23 17:02:56 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fANM2ub19793 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:02:56 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:02:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200111232202.fANM2tg19789@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Ogilvie" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: flat sealing insulation strip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org When working on a car, go to a car store; when building a house, etc. Your local autoparts store should carry a variety of coiled goo. I like butyl for the seat tub and floor boards as it's much easier to get apart later. There is a grey stuff that I believe is called 'DumDum' that is probably what the factory uses. It seems to be the universal sealant for the auto companies. It also works well and can be painted. Aloha Peter Ogilvie Kona Coffee Rover 1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering from exposure of the dark side. 1966 109 pickup 'slime' In my garage since '90, finally running. 1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava. 196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust >From: john hess >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: flat sealing insulation strip? >Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:48:14 -0500 > >Hiya, > >I went to TeriAnn's pages and I went to the LRO archive (are they [ 17 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From bens Fri Nov 23 17:27:28 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fANMRS119961 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:27:28 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:27:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200111232227.fANMRRS19957@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: CBs for Sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ 17 lines filtered. ] --=====================_29811862==_.ALT Oh well, This showed up after it was closed. It went cheap too! Bob B At 10:06 AM 11/23/2001, you wrote: >A guy I work with has a couple CBs for sale on eBay. I have >the URL to the handheld below. If anyone on the list buys >one I can bring it to the NCRC holiday party to save on >shipping. > >Kevin > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=12970 >88317&r=0 --=====================_29811862==_.ALT From bens Fri Nov 23 17:26:04 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fANMQ4r19950 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:26:04 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:26:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200111232226.fANMQ3R19946@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: flat sealing insulation strip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ 37 lines filtered. ] --=====================_29727037==_.ALT John, You probably mean 3M strip caulk. It is in auto parts stores and paint stores. I've seen it in grey and also black. My latest box is black. It's slightly sticky and can be molded and shaped like window putty. I've seen it in rolls, but I buy a box or partial box, something like 6 layers separated by paper, each layer has 10 strips 12" long. Or if you worked on a Ford assembly line, it is available in big blobs to plug up gaps. Called Dum-Dum. Bob B At 12:48 PM 11/23/2001, you wrote: >Hiya, > >I went to TeriAnn's pages and I went to the LRO archive (are they >searchable?) and I tried Google for a few minutes. > >What's the flat semi sticky stuff I should put down when I reassemble >the seat box and floor boards in Stubby? I think it's a 3M product >that comes in a roll. Davis Lumber (more of a hardware store) and >Hibbert Lumber (more of a lumber store with other stuff for [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] --=====================_29727037==_.ALT From bens Fri Nov 23 17:51:57 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fANMpvB20080 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:51:57 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:51:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200111232251.fANMpup20076@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jeff Rogers" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Reminder: NCRC Holiday Party Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello All: Just a quick reminder that the NCRC Holiday Party is coming up on December 7th. Anyone that would like to attend will need to register on or before december 3rd for the event. Please send in the registration form that was included in last month's calendar or register on the web at: http://www.norcalrover.org/holidayparty01/ See everyone on the 7th! -->jeff _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From bens Fri Nov 23 18:44:54 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fANNisZ20303 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:44:54 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:44:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200111232344.fANNir920299@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: flat sealing insulation strip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I went to TeriAnn's pages and I went to the LRO archive (are they >searchable?) and I tried Google for a few minutes. > >What's the flat semi sticky stuff I should put down when I reassemble >the seat box and floor boards in Stubby? I think it's a 3M product >that comes in a roll. Sorry I've never sealed my floors down (they are my drains). I've heard the stuff you are seeking refered to as "dum dum" You should find it in the high class auto parts stores that carry profesional quality body repair supplies. It is a non hardening automotive calking. I've seen it in a box of foot long strips. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Fri Nov 23 22:13:45 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAO3Dj821204 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 22:13:45 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 22:13:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200111240313.fAO3DiY21200@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: another sealer question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hiya, Stubby's tranny is in the garage, on jackstands. It's so filthy I have no idea where 90 wt is coming from, so I'm cleaning it up and trying to determine which seals I can replace without creating a bigger problem; like taking the tranny apart and paying someone to assemble it. At the back end of the xfer case rear output shaft, is the speedo gear blob bolted onto the case. Between the speedo output housing and the xfer case housing are spacers. The speedo gear is lubed by 90 wt form the xfer case, and the output shaft goes through an oil seal on the back of the speedo housing. But the speedo housing itself and spacers have no gaskets nor seals to keep 90 wt from slowly leaking out between the speedo housing and the xfer case. i would hypothesize that 90 would slowly leak out and then down the back of the case to the rear lower corner. Why is there no gasket here? What harm would a thing coat of RTV do between the layers when I reassemble the bits? The manual doesn't say the usual "smear with grease" and I see no mention of gaskets. BTW, all this started when I pulled the tranny brake off to change the brake shoes. I found 90 wt all over. cheers, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista From bens Fri Nov 23 22:16:20 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAO3GKt21233 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 22:16:20 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 22:16:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200111240316.fAO3GJl21229@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: flat sealing insulation strip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hiya TeriAnn, Have you glued bubble wrap with reflective aluminum backing stuff on the bottom of your seat box and floors? Since Stubby's seat box and floor are out, I could easily do it, but am not sure it's really necessary. cheers, >find it in the high class auto parts stores that carry profesional >quality body repair supplies. It is a non hardening automotive calking. >I've seen it in a box of foot long strips. > >TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please >Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - >twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista From bens Fri Nov 23 22:44:55 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAO3itg21363 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 22:44:55 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 22:44:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200111240344.fAO3irm21358@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: another sealer question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'd rather use Aviation Form-A-Gasket myself, for something like a speedo housing. Charles On Fri, 23 Nov 2001 22:13:44 -0500 john hess writes: > > Hiya, > > Stubby's tranny is in the garage, on jackstands. It's so filthy I > have no idea where 90 wt is coming from, so I'm cleaning it up and > trying to determine which seals I can replace without creating a > bigger problem; like taking the tranny apart and paying someone to > assemble it. > [ 27 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Fri Nov 23 22:44:54 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAO3isb21359 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 22:44:54 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 22:44:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200111240344.fAO3irA21352@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: flat sealing insulation strip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org HUH????? Charles On Fri, 23 Nov 2001 22:16:19 -0500 john hess writes: > > Have you glued bubble wrap with reflective aluminum backing stuff on > the bottom of your seat box and floors? Since Stubby's seat box and > floor are out, I could easily do it, but am not sure it's really necessary. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Sat Nov 24 01:46:59 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAO6kxn23193 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 01:46:59 -0500 Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 01:46:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200111240646.fAO6kww23189@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: flat sealing insulation strip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org You can get the stuff at NAPA in various diameters and lengths. It comes normally in long rolls. I have part #'s if you really need them. Later, Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From bens Sat Nov 24 08:19:32 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAODJW524893 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 08:19:32 -0500 Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 08:19:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200111241319.fAODJV124889@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: another sealer question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Between the speedo output housing and the xfer case housing > are spacers. <> >Why is there no gasket here? What harm would a thing coat of RTV do >between the layers when I reassemble the bits? The manual doesn't >say the usual "smear with grease" and I see no mention of gaskets. Those shims set the output bearing preload in the transfer case. Anything you add between the shims will thicken the shim pack. Gaskets and goop have thickness that can not be predetermined with any accuracy. This is one place where you want excellent condition unrusted shims that are absolutely clean. The seal relies upon these shims being compressed between and absolutely clean rear transfer case housing and speedometer housing. As long as the shim pack was clean and rust free when assembled and the fixing nuts remain tight they are not a source of measurable leakage. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Sat Nov 24 08:48:16 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAODmGN25054 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 08:48:16 -0500 Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 08:48:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200111241348.fAODmFs25050@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: flat sealing insulation strip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >Hiya TeriAnn, > >Have you glued bubble wrap with reflective aluminum backing stuff on >the bottom of your seat box and floors? I have used it for cheap thermal insulation. and it does work. I have it between the underside of the front roof and the headliner and between the walls and the inside wall trim. I had it around the seat box but have removed it. I have gone to a dense flexible foam that has a skin on both sides for both sound and thermal insulation. There is a single layer on the inside bulkhead panels under the stock pebble texture panel coverings. There is a layer on the floor boards under the rubber floor mat. The transmission tunnel has three layers glued to the underside with a sheet of aluminum foil glued to the underside (It has held up really well) and one sheet of foam glued to the top side under the stock tunnel cover mat. When I get some money ahead I'm going to put a layer of the foam over the outside of the seat box and cover it with the same material that the Defenders (and was optional on some European spec series) have on the outside of the seat box. I use the asphalt based sound deadening tiles in the engine compartment. I can now play the radio while I drive on the freeway and hear it. You also might check in with Nick. He has been playing some sound deadening games recently in his Dormies. It might be interesting to see how his efforts are working out. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Sat Nov 24 10:55:23 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAOFtNL25625 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 10:55:23 -0500 Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 10:55:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200111241555.fAOFtMS25621@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Was sealer, now RE: tranny seals Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ 49 lines filtered. ] --=====================_3023661==_.ALT Hi John, When I replaced the seals in Sherman's tranny, I didn't use anything on the speedo housing shims. They are smooth shiny steel (Maybe stainless and they fit together nicely if not bent or rusted. I followed the book though and adjusted the shim pack for the right preload tension. They usually have a bit of play. But it doesn't leak now. On the transfer box I replaced both output shaft seals, On the rear output of the tranny I replaced the mainshaft seal. The mainshaft seal stops the tranny 90wt from migrating into the transfer box. I find the nut on that shaft loose usually.(this is where the transfer box hole is for the overdrive.) BTW, If you need more shims, I have a fairly good selection. Most likely you will remove some though. While in that neighborhood, check the end play in the intermediate gear. This is the big gear that feeds down from the main output to the transfer gears. These can be a source of noise and are easy to replace. (The mounting shaft is right in front of the speedo cable.) I also replaced the three tapered O-rings on top of the tranny on the shift selector rods.They were the culprits for a lot of the 90wt of the outside of the tranny. The first ones I bought were from BP and even though I like BP's parts and prices, these were not good copies. They had no taper which is barely discernable anyhow, and were way loose on the rods. I sent them back so they could analyze them and they ordered from another supplier. So they should be fine now. However, I bought some from RN, after asking about the correctness over the phone, and they were correct. Watch these things! they are two different sizes and are supposed to have a small amount of taper, and put them on it the right direction. BTW I don't know how far you are going to disassemble the box, but this could be a time to quiet the reverse gear. I (THINK) there is a way to replace the little reverse gear and shaft with a newer one that uses a bearing instead of the bushing. I believe I've read that somewhere. Regards, Bob B At 07:13 PM 11/23/2001, John Hess wrote: >Hiya, >Stubby's tranny is in the garage, on jackstands. It's so filthy I >have no idea where 90 wt is coming from, so I'm cleaning it up and >trying to determine which seals I can replace without creating a >bigger problem; like taking the tranny apart and paying someone to >assemble it. --=====================_3023661==_.ALT From bens Sat Nov 24 11:29:48 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAOGTmG25757 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 11:29:48 -0500 Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 11:29:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200111241629.fAOGTmt25753@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Was sealer, now RE: tranny seals Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ 15 lines filtered. ] --=====================_5090185==_.ALT Hi John, I said: >While in that neighborhood, check the end play in the intermediate gear. >This is the big gear that feeds down from the main output to the transfer >gears. These can be a source of noise and are easy to replace. (The >mounting shaft is right in front of the speedo cable.) I meant the shims are easy to replace,The gear would be also but it's the shims that you check for side to side movement of the gear. Bob B --=====================_5090185==_.ALT From bens Sat Nov 24 17:31:32 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAOMVWr27437 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 17:31:32 -0500 Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 17:31:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200111242231.fAOMVT127426@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Was sealer, now RE: tranny seals Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Bob, Thanks for the info. So the shift rod o rings can leak 90wt? I saw that they were there, but didn't think the 90 wt would get up and out that easily. What about the funny little rubber disks that seal/hold in shift springs on the side of the tranny? One was munged into a non circular shape and I was thinking about changing them. I think I'll be ordering a few seals from BP shortly. Not going to disassemble the box. The gear box is quiet enough. the OD whines more than the one in the Dormie, but it's not screaming. cheers, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista From bens Sat Nov 24 17:31:30 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAOMVUW27436 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 17:31:30 -0500 Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 17:31:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200111242231.fAOMVTt27429@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: another sealer question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Everything on stubby's tranny is well protected from rust. Thanks for the info. > >As long as the shim pack was clean and rust free when assembled and the >fixing nuts remain tight they are not a source of measurable leakage. > >TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please >Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - >twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message > >http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista From bens Sat Nov 24 20:36:09 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAP1a9x28218 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 20:36:09 -0500 Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 20:36:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200111250136.fAP1a8528214@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Was sealer, now RE: tranny seals Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ 35 lines filtered. ] --=====================_1188636==_.ALT At 02:31 PM 11/24/2001, John Hess wrote: >Hi Bob, >Thanks for the info. >So the shift rod o rings can leak 90wt? Oh yeah! Mine were obvious but I guess they could be subtle also. The 90wt is sloshing all around in there and whatever hits the shafts can migrate out, then down the case sides. > What about the funny little rubber disks that seal/hold in shift springs > on the side of the tranny? One was munged into a non circular shape and > I was thinking about changing them. The bits on the side? Do you mean the detent springs that also relate to the shift rods? If anything rubber is deformed or especially munged, I'd replace it. >OD whines more than the one in the Dormie, but it's not screaming. I think the overdrives aren't always the culprit, While in there you should check the intermediate gear spacers/shims as I mentioned earlier, because that is the gear that the overdrive engages to and replacing the spacers can stop a lot of noise if they are worn down. Of course, I wonder if a new intermediate gear might also make a difference in the noise level. After all, the old one has been running mated with the old main output gear for miles and years, then we put the O/D in there and now there is a new gear mating to the old intermediate gear. Have fun! Bob B >John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us --=====================_1188636==_.ALT From bens Sun Nov 25 11:05:23 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAPG5NG00620 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:05:23 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:05:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200111251605.fAPG5M600616@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org, rovernet@lyris.ccdata.com Subject: Where's the lists!?!?!? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I saw 3 messages from Rovernet when I got home last night, and none from Mendo...WHERE IS EVERYBODY!?!?!?!?!? Hope you all didn't hop onto the Ark after that rain we got hit with yesterday... Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Sun Nov 25 11:05:26 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAPG5QP00628 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:05:26 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:05:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200111251605.fAPG5Ps00624@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Another hypothetical question... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Let's say I had this IIA 109 that's been sitting around all year, with a blown diesel engine: I have a petrol engine that is complete - except for a carb, that hasn't run in a good 20 years. I have a Cortina that has bitten the big one! ( the Weber carb is BROKEN...as in, there's a crack running the height of the carb body, along the side of the float chamber!) I NEED to get another vehicle running...NOW!!!!! Here's the catch: that petrol engine is a Series II - NOT a IIA! I can yank the cylinder head off to check valvegear, and I can yank oil pan off to chedk if there are still bearings there - if they're junk, then I'm back to square one. If there are, then I must be careful, as Series II bearings are NLA. I can get a carb - Rochesters are cheap and I know how to tune them. What I would have to do, is buy: exhaust system (I have a manifold with the petrol engine) fan shroud head gasket make a temp gauge fit (the diesel doesn't have one) wire truck for a coil/distributor (I can do that in minutes!) Now, the parts I need to buy, I can get from BP - hopefully still rather inexpensively. On the other hand, if I use that same block NOW to buildup a "standard bore" diesel engine, then I will need to buy: Pistons (I have access to a standard set for $100) two valves to replace the ones that ate it hot spots one connecting rod required gaskets I guess my questions is...what should I do? We all know that this would not be a permanent thing, as doing such a thing to Gillian would be pure sacralige! Oh - I forgot...the guy that loaned me the engine hoist NEEDS it next weekend, so I'm boxed into a corner! Whatever I do, I gotta do it today/tomorrow. Am taking votes... Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Sun Nov 25 11:51:13 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAPGpD700856 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:51:13 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:51:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200111251651.fAPGpCc00852@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re:Charles I's hypothetical question... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ 81 lines filtered. ] --=====================_8154009==_.ALT Hi Charles, Whatever you do,,,,, do something please! We need to for you have a running car. I have a 2.25 crank and rods from a S2A petrol if you were going to rebuild the S2 as a petrol engine. Also a front cover. But the front cover from the diesel fits and if it is a 2A would give you the water pump also. BTW the 2A water pumps are getting quite expensive but the S2 pumps are worse. I also have 2 rebuildable 2A engines, a 63 and a 66. I'd probably sell the 63. Happy to see it wasn't your 109 on the Junkyard wars!! Bob B PS I got some mail from Mendo yesterday from John Hess and TeriAnn and me. And 12 msgs from LRO. Today only 3 msgs. Several from the S1 list. At 08:05 AM 11/25/2001, you wrote: >Let's say I had this IIA 109 that's been sitting around all year, with a >blown diesel engine: > >I have a petrol engine that is complete - except for a carb, that hasn't >run in a good 20 years. > >I have a Cortina that has bitten the big one! ( the Weber carb is >BROKEN...as in, there's a crack running the height of the carb body, >along the side of the float chamber!) [ 45 additional quoted lines pruned. ] --=====================_8154009==_.ALT From bens Sun Nov 25 12:13:41 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAPHDfp00963 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:13:41 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:13:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200111251713.fAPHDeG00959@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Charles I's hypothetical question... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks, Bob... So long as the bottom end in this engine is decent, it's going in Gillian today - I don't even care if it leaks oil! The cylinder head...I'll regrind the valves (had to with the '59 that I once had) and slap it back on. Of course, all this depends on wether or not the engine in its existing form, is still useable. I have considered using the diesel exhaust system, though I am not sure if it's upto the task. (petrols/diesels use different mufflers, or so I'm told...the diesel doesn't even really need a muffler!) If the engine has to be completely gone through, then I'll simply wait until I can get the diesel parts from England. I can probably get the Cortina running today...I have a single-barrel Ford carb that was used on Deluxe models, but I don't know if its any good, and still, that car does not handle in rain (needs major suspension work), nor would it be upto the task of driving down the flooded streets that I had to put up with while working yesterday, so I gotta get Gillian road worthy before I go crazy! The Cortina is currently good only for going to/from work, and that's it: it needs much more money thrown at it that I'd rather use for something else (like bills) The SD1 is still a good month away from hitting the streets again (at least the head gaskets are done), and I was planning on yanking a MGB engine today, as well. So many projects, so little time... Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Sun Nov 25 12:19:18 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAPHJIH00992 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:19:18 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:19:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200111251719.fAPHJIM00988@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hope Peter" To: Subject: Re: Another hypothetical question... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, Don't know if it will help but I have a '70 IIa 8:1 head, 1bbl and 2bbl intakes, 1bbl weber and exhaust manifold. Pete (360)698-5092 From bens Sun Nov 25 12:43:45 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAPHhjw01113 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:43:45 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:43:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200111251743.fAPHhjb01109@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re:Charles I's hypothetical question... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So why not just replace the Weber carb on the Cortina? TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Sun Nov 25 12:48:22 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAPHmMv01145 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:48:22 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:48:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200111251748.fAPHmLn01141@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Charles I's hypothetical question... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >So many projects, so little time... Maybe you have just defined the problem. Fewer projects would allow you to spend more time on each. Better yet why not narrow your efforts down to a single project until it is completed? Wouldn't it be nice to have your 109 in top running shape? TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Sun Nov 25 12:54:38 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAPHscl01180 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:54:38 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:54:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200111251754.fAPHscp01176@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Another hypothetical question... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Don't know if it will help but I have a '70 IIa 8:1 head, 1bbl and 2bbl >intakes, 1bbl weber and exhaust manifold. Pat Young has a mid sixties Dormobile that he plans to put a 6 cyl engine (Or at least that was his plan last time we talked). The Dormie has a siezed 2.25L engine with 7:1 head. I think it is a time siezed engine and not a blown engine (The Dormi was killed by a rusty frame). Could be he has no plans for the engine and you could get parts or all for cheap? Never hurts to check. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Sun Nov 25 13:59:08 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAPIx8H01467 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:59:08 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:59:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200111251859.fAPIx7j01463@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Charles I's hypothetical question... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ 22 lines filtered. ] --=====================_15791199==_.ALT I think he would be very happy to just have his 109 running. Bob B >Charles wrote: > >So many projects, so little time.. At 09:48 AM 11/25/2001, TAW wrote: >Maybe you have just defined the problem. >Fewer projects would allow you to spend more time on each. Better yet >why not narrow your efforts down to a single project until it is >completed? Wouldn't it be nice to have your 109 in top running shape? > >TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please --=====================_15791199==_.ALT From bens Sun Nov 25 17:44:02 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAPMi2a02525 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 17:44:02 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 17:44:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200111252244.fAPMi1w02521@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: rovernet@lyris.ccdata.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Still another question... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Any of you out there know if J.B. Weld will work - on a temporary basis - on a carburetor float chamber??? Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Sun Nov 25 18:39:19 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAPNdJ502782 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:39:19 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:39:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200111252339.fAPNdJf02778@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Still another question... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Charles R Irvin wrote: > > Any of you out there know if J.B. Weld will work - on a > temporary basis - > on a carburetor float chamber??? Charles......not sure about the reaction with our formulated gas that eats rubber gaskets.....but we've used it for everything!!!!! I know my room-mate did use it for the first repair to the tank on his bike....but now it's covered with layers of bondo....wgick also woeks amazingly! I would have never think! I take it you are wrenching on teh cortina after all? What went on with the engine conversion on Gillian? paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From bens Sun Nov 25 19:01:22 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAQ01MI02934 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:01:22 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:01:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200111260001.fAQ01LA02930@minbar.fourfold.org> From: prsncat@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Someone looking for '95 LWB? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It seems to me that I recall a discussion started by someone looking for a LWB Range Rover. The Lincoln/Mercury dealer in the Tustin Auto Center has a white/tan '95 LWB with 51K miles for sale. Looks loaded and pretty well cared for. I would be happy to obtain more details if someone is interested. Brian Foster Irvine CA From bens Sun Nov 25 20:22:18 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAQ1MIJ03321 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 20:22:18 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 20:22:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200111260122.fAQ1MH103317@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Still another question... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I worked on MANY things today! The Cortina: replaced intake and carb...can't get replacement carb to work - parts needed are unobtanium. Will get replacement Weber body by the end of the week. In meantime, I have J.B. Welded existing body in hopes of getting it to NOT catch fire for the next 5 or 6 days! Will install tomorrow and see what happens. May pick up an extinguisher tomorrow...just in case... Gillian: Took cylinder head off petrol engine...the head is gorgeous! Pistons look pretty good, though there is a ridge on the tops of the bores...it stays! (been there, done that, and at present I don't want a engine that'll take me over Mojave - just one to get me around until I rebuild the diesel) Drained oil, removed 42 years' worth of New Mexico red clay (! - that engine has got to be 10 lbs lighter now!) to find factory Land Rover light green paint underneath it! Weather permitting, I'll drop the pan tomorrow and see what the bearings look like: if good, then it's a go...if not good, then no go, and I'll simply use that engine for a diesel conversion as originally planned. Cylinder head has never been off(!!!), and there's a nice pretty copper head gasket that can be re-used. SD1: plugged in all the vacum/breather lines, sensors, and other plumbing - all is done except radiator hoses and accelerator cable. Am going to pull radiator out and replace timing gears/chain with steel gears (don't want to break a nylon gear halfway to Palmdale, like Alvin did!)...that is, soon as I find my timing cover oil seal! MGB's: ...used one of 'em as a workbench! (Hey - when Russ and I were painting Gambrinus axle parts, we used my TR-3 as a paint booth!) Charles On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:39:19 -0500 Paul Archibald writes: > > > I take it you are wrenching on the cortina after all? What > went on with the engine conversion on Gillian? ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Sun Nov 25 20:22:15 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAQ1MFD03311 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 20:22:15 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 20:22:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200111260122.fAQ1ME503301@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Charles I's hypothetical question... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org 'Ya got that right!!!!! I don't travel far when I go to/from work, so I just want the thing to run for now...since its starting to rain, I have a bit more of an incentive to do something. Charles On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:59:07 -0500 Bob & Sue Bernard writes: > > I think he would be very happy to just have his 109 running. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Sun Nov 25 20:22:16 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAQ1MGa03312 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 20:22:16 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 20:22:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200111260122.fAQ1MEr03306@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Another hypothetical question... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks, Pete. As I said before, the petrol engine is 99% complete...is only missing the carb and a starter. I think I may even have a Rochester in my garage...somewhere - not sure if I handed it in as a core when I bought a "new" one for me 88", or not. The starter...will probably just borrow the flywheel housing off the diesel and use that starter. What sucks is that I'll have to buy an exhaust system! The diesel has a side-exit manifold, and the petrol has a bottom-exit manifold, so they don't bolt up. Oh well...gotta get a new manifold gasket from BP anyway... Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Sun Nov 25 20:54:12 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAQ1sCi03481 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 20:54:12 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 20:54:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200111260154.fAQ1sBi03477@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kelly Minnick" To: "Mendo" Subject: 3.9L Cam Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have the cam out of my 3.9L. Looks to be in very good shape, but I haven't measured the lift. If someone wants it to throw into their 3.5L, it's theirs for the cost of shipping! Take care, Kelly Minnick From bens Mon Nov 26 05:50:26 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAQAoQm06900 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 05:50:26 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 05:50:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200111261050.fAQAoPk06893@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Freeman, Ben" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: FS: 4-Iveco 2.5l TDi engines... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I just got in 4 Iveco 2.5l turbo diesel intercooled engines: 2 are complete minus the intercooler one has 3 hours on it the other has under 20 or so. the other two: Would be good for completeing or for parts, one has 0 hours on it, the other was for a test bed model. Asking $6,000.00 for all 4. FOB Aberdeen, WA e-mail me or call (360)580-1585 photo's available upon request. Happy Rovering... From bens Mon Nov 26 05:50:28 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAQAoS206901 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 05:50:28 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 05:50:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200111261050.fAQAoPu06892@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Freeman, Ben" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: FS: '73-88 hardtop...Motivated seller... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I need to see this truck sell. Yes it needs some work but it has lots of potential for a coiler hybrid. Body is all there and almost perfect. Just the normal age related sings. low mileage, lots of wear below. But lots of new things done to it I have some of the original purchase papers when new. Bring me an offer anything considered. Reduced to $4,750.00 OBO. Call me or e-mail me....(360)580-1585 Happy Rovering.. From bens Mon Nov 26 10:00:21 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAQF0Ll08117 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:00:21 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:00:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200111261500.fAQF0Kp08113@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Still another question... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ 22 lines filtered. ] --=====================_2378701==_.ALT At 05:22 PM 11/25/2001, Charles wrote: >replaced intake and carb...can't get replacement carb to work - parts >needed are unobtanium. Will get replacement Weber body by the end of the >week. In meantime, I have J.B. Welded existing body in hopes of getting >it to NOT catch fire for the next 5 or 6 days! Will install tomorrow and >see what happens. May pick up an extinguisher tomorrow...just in case... Hi Charles, If you don't get around to buying an extinguisher, at least toss in the car a box or two of baking soda. That's mostly what is in most dry type extinguishers. You can toss it by the handfull at the base of a fire. Works good. Bob B --=====================_2378701==_.ALT From bens Mon Nov 26 11:12:08 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAQGC8c08493 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:12:08 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:12:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200111261612.fAQGC7G08489@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: wheeled traveling Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hiya, Those who know me know that I ride bikes. And I am subscribed to a couple of bike related email lists. From one of these, I just read about an English woman who has ridden quite a number of places on a bicycle by herself. If you're interested, check out: http://www.josiedew.co.uk/books.htm cheers, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista From bens Mon Nov 26 15:51:40 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAQKpeC09786 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:51:40 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:51:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200111262051.fAQKpdS09782@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Time warp Off Road Technique Question... aka What Would You Do?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I think to answer TeriAnn's question the main differences are the automatic tranny and the higher gearing of the Disco relative to Series vehicles. The torque converter effectively multiplies the gear ratio going uphill, allowing a higher first gear ratio to be used. However this good effect does not seem to operate in reverse when going downhill! Cheers John TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > Were you guys in low range? Were you driving manual or automatic > gearboxes? > > Low range reverse in a series rig is a very low ratio and it is virtually > impossible to move quickly as long as the box doesn't pop out of gear. > > As I see it, in a series rig there are four major things that can cause > trouble (I'm sure there are more but 4 come to mind). > [ 30 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Nov 26 16:24:21 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAQLOLu09966 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:24:21 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:24:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200111262124.fAQLOKp09962@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Time warp Off Road Technique Question... aka What Would You Do?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I think to answer TeriAnn's question the main differences are the automatic >tranny and the higher gearing of the Disco relative to Series vehicles. The >torque converter effectively multiplies the gear ratio going uphill, allowing >a higher first gear ratio to be used. However this good effect does not seem >to operate in reverse when going downhill! That was answered to my satisfaction about half a year ago. Sorry if we are out of temporal sync TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Mon Nov 26 17:35:41 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAQMZfD10346 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:35:41 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:35:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200111262235.fAQMZeL10342@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Thanksgiving recce to the Lost Coast Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This past holdiay weekend Petra and I ran a solo recce to the Lost Coast region of northern CA. The Lost Coast is about 300 miles north of SF, south of Eureka, north of Fort Bragg and west of hwy 101. The real start of the Lost Coast region is near Leggit and it extends to the western most point on the North American continent, Cape Mendocino. The entire area consists of many hundreds of square miles of redwood forests, mountain ranges and remote back country roads. In the entire area there were only three tiny towns with a few hundred people total living in them, at best. These towns are Honeydew, Petrolia and Shelter Cove. There is another smaller hamlet called Capetown, but it consists of only 4 houses and an old stage coach stop. The Lost Coast is also known as the Kings Range Mountains, and much of the land is overseen by the BLM. It was our understanding that there were dozens of miles of offroad trails in the area, so we attempted to find them. What we found was that almost every single trail maked "Jeep" on our topos was closed to vehicle traffic. In searching the web late last night after getting back home I came across a website for a Lost Coast 4x4 club. They explained on it that they have been fighting the BLM for years to prevent the further closure of trails in the area. Formerly there were trails that drove along the coast for dozens of miles, aross the tops of various ridges and MTs, even on some of the black sand beaches, but most all have now been closed. We did find some remote dirt mountain roads that closely resembled those on the Knoxville trip last year, and during the spring I imagine they would prove to be a challenge due to their grade and overall state of disrepair. As it was, it rained the entire time we were driving so one route in particular caused us to navigate through about 6 mild water crossings. During the spring thaw those routes most be even better. The route that sticks out in my mind the most is the Kings Ridge Road. It started near Shelter Cove and ran for about 30 miles to Honeydew. The scenery alone was worth the trip down this route. Another spot that was breathtaking was just outside of Petrolia, near what is known as the Punta Gorda lighthouse. There were supposedly a number of "jeep" trails that went down the beach or better still, over the ridge directly to the lighthouse, but all of them were closed. We did manage to find one dirt road that drove up the ridge overlooking the bearch which drove up onto the overlooking mountains a bit, but it stopped at a point that a gate was erected that simply said, "no pass". Another of the annoying facets we found on this trip was that those trails that were not closed by the BLM were closed by locals posting no trespassing signs on or near their entrance. Very frustrating. Any way, the view of the moutains and the ocean below from this dirt road was awesome and breathtaking. Interestingly, we came across the only offically sanctioned 4x4 trail on this one lane dirt road, although it was closed from Nov 1st to April, and during any rainy spell according to the sign posted on the locked gate to access it. It seems to have driven directly down the ridge to the Punta Gorda light house and onto the beach below, but it was hard to tell from road. We did manage to find one of the most stunning and beautiful sections of paved road I've ever seen in my entire life on this trip though. Outside of Petrolia is a road called Mattole Road that winds to the coast and then bares almost straight north for about 6-10 miles along the rocky coastline, at sea level. There was NO traffic on this entire route, there were NO people anywhere and there was essentially no buildings to be seen. It was simply the roaring ocean to your left (driving north) and a rolling ridge to your right. I've never seen such a straight and beautiful section of ocean front highway in all of CA. Interestingly enough, it was also the point that was most western in all of the US, Point Mendocino. I must say this is my absolute most favorite section of highway I've ever seen in my life. It was that stunning. To give you an idea of what it looked like, here are some photos of the road, a map of the Lost Coast region. They are lower quailty images and still are stunning: Looking south from Point Mendocino along the route, yes the road travels the entire length of the coast you can see here: http://www.pashnit.com/pics/road/mattole2-11.jpg Looking north almost at Point Mendonino where the road goes back up into the ridge: http://www.pashnit.com/pics/road/mattole4-10.jpg Here is a map of the region: http://www.pashnit.com/maps/MattoleRoad.gif All in all it was a wonderful extended holiday weekend recce. I'll post more later or combine our findings into an article for the newsletter. Let me know if anyone has questions about the Lost Coast, how to get there, experiences, etc. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Mon Nov 26 17:49:10 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAQMnAT10435 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:49:10 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:49:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200111262249.fAQMnA310431@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Time warp Off Road Technique Question... aka What Would You Do?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200111262051.fAQKpdS09782@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > I think to answer TeriAnn's question the main differences are the automatic > tranny and the higher gearing of the Disco relative to Series vehicles. When I ran the numbers last, you are right in that the autobox doesn't compare well to the series. For the '96 NAS Disco: Manual Automatic 1st 3.321 2.480 Reverse 3.535 2.090 Diff 3.54 3.54 1st Low 3.321 3.321 Total Manual Automatic 1st low 39.0:1 29.2:1 rev low 41.6:1 24.6:1 Meanwhile On a Series you had: Total SII/IIA IIA III Suffix B Suffix C ALL 1st Low 40.69:1 39.74:1 40.64:1 Rev low 34.59:1 33:34:1 44:40:1 So the Disco (and D90) with manual transmission is about the same as for a Series. The automatic is geared much higher and hence doesn't engine brake as well. Since numbers are flying around, there is the 101FC 1st low: 75.0:1 rev low: 67.0:1 Ben From bens Mon Nov 26 18:38:42 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAQNcgp10692 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:38:42 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:38:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200111262338.fAQNcgD10688@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Time warp Off Road Technique Question... aka What Would You Do?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If you swap your diffs from the 3.54s to the 4.7s on an automatic you regain most of the overall ratio. I think it works out to 38.8. Benjamin Allan Smith wrote: From bens Mon Nov 26 18:46:33 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAQNkXv10741 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:46:33 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:46:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200111262346.fAQNkXY10737@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Time warp Off Road Technique Question... aka What Would You Do?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org And a Defender 90 with Maxi Drive low range gear set and 4.10's is: 1st low: 66:1 rev low: 70:1 In a similar vein... I have driven Stella several times recently, which I don't often do. Comparing how she drives to Spot; I am always reminded what a dramatic improvement 4.10's are to the stock 3.54 r&p's. This is true of highway, city, AND off road. I suspect this would be as true with a Disco as it is with a D90, especially given the greater weight of the Discovery. What's the reaction of Disco owners that have made the gear swap? Bruce Bonar 94 D90 "Spot" (who can go very slowly) 95 D90 SW "Stella" w/ stock 3.54 r&p's Benjamin Allan Smith wrote: > Since numbers are flying around, there is the 101FC > 1st low: 75.0:1 > rev low: 67.0:1 From bens Mon Nov 26 20:06:56 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAR16un11139 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:06:56 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:06:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200111270106.fAR16tU11135@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hannaford, Morgan" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Cc: "'Jason Pipes'" Subject: Re: Thanksgiving recce to the Lost Coast Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Jason Pipes Subject: Thanksgiving recce to the Lost Coast Jason: Did you try the southerly entrance to the Lost Coast, just after Hwy 1 heads east (inland)? This 8 mile dirt road ends up at Usal Beach State Park. This has to be the most incredible location in California that I have been. Of course there is no road marker indicating the exit. A few years back Mich and I went backpacking from Shelter Cove to Usal Beach....we met a few LROs Jeremy, Vance (remember Vance?), & Jim Russell. Then we were able to drive the ridge road from Shelter Cove to Usal Beach. A few years later a washout occured on the road that remained unrepaired by BLM or the Sinkyone State Wilderness Area. -Morgan From bens Mon Nov 26 20:02:11 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAR12B811110 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:02:11 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:02:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200111270102.fAR12A411106@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Time warp Off Road Technique Question... aka What Would You Do?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > In a similar vein... > I have driven Stella several times recently, which I don't often do. > Comparing > how she drives to Spot; I am always reminded what a dramatic > improvement 4.10's > are to the stock 3.54 r&p's. This is true of highway, city, AND off > road. I > suspect this would be as true with a Disco as it is with a D90, [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Hmm, Bruce you've made me curious! What size tires do you have on Spot (and Stella)? Also, how does Spot do with regards to gas mileage? I've been thinking about doing a gear swap for some time, but have also been looking for more comparative data as to the differences. Shannon From bens Tue Nov 27 01:48:48 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAR6mms13808 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:48:48 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:48:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200111270648.fAR6mlB13804@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: rovernet@lyris.ccdata.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: I guess i should have added... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I don't send out advertisements/junk email AT ALL, to anybody!!!! So, if you see that email address sending something to you that you don't want, it ain't me. Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Tue Nov 27 01:59:20 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAR6xKx13868 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:59:20 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:59:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200111270659.fAR6xK713864@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hope Peter" To: Subject: Re: While thinking about it... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org There is a new V out of course. Got notified about it yesterday. Seems pretty bad. All the major anti-V companies have posted updates. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles R Irvin To: ; Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 10:48 PM Subject: While thinking about it... > > ...somebody using the email address: > > _theray@alltel.net > > sent me an email personally, with: > > "Re.(Rovernet) AT&T" > [ 18 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Nov 27 01:27:26 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAR6RQm13713 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:27:26 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:27:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200111270627.fAR6RPf13709@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: Rovernet@lyris.ccdata.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: I didn't do it!!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks... SOMEBODY out there is sending out advertisements using the email address cirvin8441(or numbers close to these) @hotmail.com.......THIS IS NOT ME!!!!!!!! I do not have a hotmail account...I have NEVER had a hotmail account...I don't plan on ever having a hotmail account. Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Tue Nov 27 01:48:50 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAR6moV13816 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:48:50 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:48:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200111270648.fAR6moO13812@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: Rovernet@lyris.ccdata.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: While thinking about it... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...somebody using the email address: _theray@alltel.net sent me an email personally, with: "Re.(Rovernet) AT&T" as the subject line: when I highlighted it, it turns out that it contained an auto-execute file that attempted to open once the email was opened!!!!! (NOTE: there was NO visual indication of any attached files, as there would normally be in such a case!!!) Norton killed it as fast as it tried to open, so no damage was done. I've never seen this email address on Rovernet, so I'd presume that somebody is upto something no good...Eric and Ben...you lads may want to keep a slightly closer eye on things for a while. Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Tue Nov 27 02:06:45 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAR76jW13933 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 02:06:45 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 02:06:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200111270706.fAR76ir13929@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: While thinking about it... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yeah...I updated afterwards - just in case! Charles On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:59:20 -0500 "Hope Peter" writes: > > There is a new V out of course. Got notified about it yesterday. > Seems > pretty bad. All the major anti-V companies have posted updates. > Pete > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Charles R Irvin > To: ; > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 10:48 PM [ 14 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Tue Nov 27 09:51:59 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAREpx716264 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:51:59 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:51:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200111271451.fAREpwH16260@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Fw: [rovernet] Baddie disguised as RE: K & N Filters Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ 29 lines filtered. ] --=====================_2541423==_.ALT Hi, Yesterday I got a msg on series one list from WiseOwl that was blank but someone else on the list complained that it contained W32.badtran etc. Since then I've gotten two more from people unknown to us the same: blank. I figure my Norton is killing the virus because it is in the list.I updated the list anyhow. But once yesterday I did get one warning about receiving badtran and later another about magistrate. The people sending them aren't aware of it until someone tells them. And my reply to WiseOwl warning him bounced also. So possibly the virus also modifies the address so you cant warn them? There is a lot of virus activity right now!!! Bob B At 06:20 AM 11/27/2001, you wrote: >Charles/Guys, I have received a similar email from theray@alltel.net >Turns out to be the Win32.Badtrans29020 worm attached to the message. >Vet killed it in it's tracks. >Keep your virus protection right up to date ... >My return reply bounced. --=====================_2541423==_.ALT From bens Tue Nov 27 09:20:08 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAREK8Y16068 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:20:08 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:20:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200111271420.fAREK7616064@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Fw: [rovernet] Baddie disguised as RE: K & N Filters Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thought you folks would like a heads-up on this. Charles --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "David Read" To: "RoverNet Mailing List" Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:11:00 +1030 Subject: [rovernet] Baddie disguised as RE: K & N Filters Message-ID: Charles/Guys, I have received a similar email from theray@alltel.net Turns out to be the Win32.Badtrans29020 worm attached to the message. Vet killed it in it's tracks. Keep your virus protection right up to date ... My return reply bounced. Cheers Dave defender110@ozemail.com.au South Australia ################################ ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Read" To: "The Rays" <_theray@alltel.net> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [rovernet] RE: K & N Filters > Guys > Vet reports the Win32.Badtrans29020 worm attached to this email > > Cheers > Dave > defender110@ozemail.com.au > South Australia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The Rays" <_theray@alltel.net> [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ################################ The reply was ################################ This Message was undeliverable due to the following reason: Each of the following recipients was rejected by a remote mail server. The reasons given by the server are included to help you determine why each recipient was rejected. Recipient: <_theray@alltel.net> Reason: Invalid recipient: <_theray@alltel.net> Please reply to Postmaster@mail.mel.aone.net.au if you feel this message to be in error. --- You are currently subscribed to rovernet as: [cirvin1258@juno.com] To unsubscribe, forward this message to leave-rovernet-14086Q@lyris.ccdata.com RoverNet is sponsored by Classic Car Data (http://www.ccdata.com) Visit the RoverNet Archives at http://misc.nipltd.com/P6ROC/RoverNet.nsf ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Tue Nov 27 09:37:31 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAREbV516164 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:37:31 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:37:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200111271437.fAREbUM16160@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: bulkhead(s) for sale.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just obtained another bulkhead. I have two others for sale. One is in good shape with only a few rusty spots. The other has already had new legs welded in and one side has the footwell cut out. I've got spare footwells for sale also. I can provide pictures in a few days. These are both for IIA's and I'm not looking for a killing... just recoup what I paid if that's possible these days. :-) Otherwise, they're out of the weather and I'm not hurting for the space.... yet. Offers entertained of course. You'd have to arrange shipping but I'd be happy to drop them by a freight company or to the Mojave event at the end of the year. Cheers, Gerry PHX AZ From bens Tue Nov 27 09:18:41 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAREIft16041 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:18:41 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:18:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200111271418.fAREIf516037@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: esetonalums@yahoo.com, rovernet@lyris.ccdata.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Junk Mail Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Looks like I have a critic...at least I don't hide behind somebody else's email address! Whomever took the time to write this reply must have a pretty lousy life/too much time on their hands...wasprobably beaten as a child (good!). Charles On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:42:20 -0800 (PST) Veronica Del Rosso writes: > At 1:27 AM -0500 11/27/01, Charles R Irvin wrote: > SOMEBODY out there is sending out advertisements using > the email address > cirvin8441(or numbers close to these) > @hotmail.com.......THIS IS NOT > ME!!!!!!!! > > I do not have a hotmail account...I have NEVER had a > hotmail account...I [ 22 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Tue Nov 27 10:05:16 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fARF5GT16354 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:05:16 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:05:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200111271505.fARF5F516350@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Freeman, Ben" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #597 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org There is a gentelman in Pasadina who is buying a '68 S2a from me he needs to get to know people in the So. Cal area to get him into the LR craze. And the usual help...Pat Young if your listening say hi to him. scottsimpson22@hotmail.com Well I know you all will.. Happy Rovering.. From bens Tue Nov 27 10:39:17 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fARFdHg16512 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:39:17 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:39:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200111271539.fARFdHX16508@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Fw: [rovernet] Baddie disguised as RE: K & N Filters Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org And all this stuff is for PCs, not Macs, right? Has a Mac/PC Word virus/worm/whatever been found yet? I've received the supposed virus files in the past but just delete them. A coworker got hit hard by one a few months ago, the only PC in a mac lab. cheers? or should I say good luck? >reply to WiseOwl warning him bounced also. So possibly the virus also >modifies the address so you cant warn them? >There is a lot of virus activity right now!!! >Bob B > > >At 06:20 AM 11/27/2001, you wrote: > >Charles/Guys, I have received a similar email from theray@alltel.net > >Turns out to be the Win32.Badtrans29020 worm attached to the message. [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista From bens Tue Nov 27 11:09:42 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fARG9ga16680 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:09:42 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:09:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200111271609.fARG9f616676@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Julian Kwasneski To: Subject: Re: [rovernet] Baddie disguised as RE: K & N Filters Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ah finally something I can understand ... Most (if not all) email-related viruses affect PCs. Most of the dangerous viruses rely on the scripting capabilities of a program like Outlook or Word. Apps that can literally wrench control of the machine from the user and do things like delete files or email obscenities to all your contacts. The best one I've seen was the I Love You virus. When I got to work and saw all the "I Love You" subject lines from people like the CEO and other high-ranking suits my first response was "uh oh what's wrong with this picture ..." After years of using Macs professionally, I have yet to see someone get a true "virus". A crashed hard drive perhaps, but nothing the result of some ill-motivated guy in a dark room somewhere. Though Macs did get hit pretty hard a few years back by an autostart worm that would infiltrate through the CD Rom (disabling "CD Rom autoplay" in the Quicktime settings will eliminate your risk) Macs just haven't been a target for whatever reason. Just my 2 cents ... ~Julian 5 Macs 3 PCs 1 1990 RR 1 1969 Subaru 360 (deceased) > From: john hess > Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:39:17 -0500 > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: Re: Fw: [rovernet] Baddie disguised as RE: K & N Filters > > > And all this stuff is for PCs, not Macs, right? Has a Mac/PC Word > virus/worm/whatever been found yet? I've received the supposed virus [ 24 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Nov 27 11:21:44 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fARGLiF16764 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:21:44 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:21:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200111271621.fARGLhw16760@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hope Peter" To: Subject: Re: [rovernet] Baddie disguised as RE: K & N Filters Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > After years of using Macs professionally, I have yet to see someone get a > true "virus". I know a bunch of people who say the same about unix systems. :-) Pete From bens Tue Nov 27 11:47:30 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fARGlUk16901 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:47:30 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:47:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200111271647.fARGlTe16897@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Ogilvie" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Don't you just love toy computers!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Could it be that since Mac's are for people who don't want to learn about computers, none of the Mac users know enough about the systems to cause any damage. One witticism I heard a while back, "If you want your kid to use a computer, buy a Mac. If you want your kid to learn about computers, buy a PC." My experience with a Mac has been, who needs a virus with a Mac!!! They crash so easily and do so many things that you don't want done, automatically, they are worthless. Also find the restrictions of the self imposed lack of innovation severly limits the usablility. Ain't it fun working with a one button mouse. Windows ain't perfect but its way more stable than any Mac OS I've used, at least up to OS 8.6. Can't say the same thing for MS applications, however. Want to strangle William by stuffing my MS Word cd down his throat. Latest benefit of my MS Word is it displays all the formatting commands. Tried all the menus and the help function without finding a way to turn this off. Aloha Peter O. Aloha Peter Ogilvie Kona Coffee Rover 1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering from exposure of the dark side. 1966 109 pickup 'slime' In my garage since '90, finally running. 1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava. 196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust >From: Julian Kwasneski >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: >Subject: Re: [rovernet] Baddie disguised as RE: K & N Filters >Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:09:41 -0500 > >Ah finally something I can understand ... > >Most (if not all) email-related viruses affect PCs. Most of the dangerous [ 38 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From bens Tue Nov 27 12:21:40 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fARHLeg17074 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:21:40 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:21:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200111271721.fARHLek17070@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Time warp Off Road Technique Question... aka What Would You Do?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Shannon Holland wrote: > Hmm, Bruce you've made me curious! > > What size tires do you have on Spot (and Stella)? Spot is wearing 285/75R16 Super Swamper SSR Radials. These are a 34" tall, fairly wide tire with an aggressive tread and soft compound. Stella is fashionably attired in the stock sized 265/75R16 BFG Mud Terrains. > Also, how does Spot do > with regards to gas mileage? I average about 13 on the highway and around town, 10 off road. The gear swap made essentially no difference in milage. One thing I found was that putting an accurate odometer in reduced my indicated gas milage as the stock speedometer/odometer was 9% off and suggested I was getting almost 15 mpg. > I've been thinking about doing a gear swap for some time, but have also > been looking for more comparative data as to the differences. At 70mph I'm running right at 3000 rpm in 5th. The engine is very comfortable at that rpm and still has some torque if I want to accelerate. What I really like about the 4.10's is they get the engine into the power band where it belongs. Bruce From bens Tue Nov 27 13:09:10 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fARI9AV17309 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:09:10 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:09:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200111271809.fARI99217305@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Ogilvie" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: While thinking about it... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mahalo for the heads up, Peter. Fortunately McAfee has probably already done the deed on the viruses. My several weeks old updated McAfee, set on auto scan, alerted me to two messages with possible viruses on Saturday. Erased those files and then downloaded the newest update of McAfee. Scanned the C drive and found two more infected files. Don't know if they were remnants of the first files or were different files. All seems fine, however, after another update and scan. As far as I can remember, this is the first time McAfee has found something in the six or so months its been on my system. Aloha Peter Ogilvie Kona Coffee Rover 1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering from exposure of the dark side. 1966 109 pickup 'slime' In my garage since '90, finally running. 1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava. 196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust >From: "Hope Peter" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: >Subject: Re: While thinking about it... >Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:59:20 -0500 > >There is a new V out of course. Got notified about it yesterday. Seems >pretty bad. All the major anti-V companies have posted updates. >Pete [ 18 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From bens Tue Nov 27 13:15:30 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fARIFU817356 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:15:30 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:15:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200111271815.fARIFTF17349@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: [rovernet] Baddie disguised as RE: K & N Filters Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > After years of using Macs professionally, I have yet to see someone > get a > true "virus". A crashed hard drive perhaps, but nothing the result of > some > ill-motivated guy in a dark room somewhere. Though Macs did get hit > pretty > hard a few years back by an autostart worm that would infiltrate > through the > CD Rom (disabling "CD Rom autoplay" in the Quicktime settings will [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] I think the lack of virus joys us Mac users have be enable to enjoy are due to two things: 1. Generally more secure OS (this can also be read as a generally less featured OS) 2. Much much smaller market share - nothing like a 90% market share (or whatever it is now) to make a nice bnig shiny target! Shannon From bens Tue Nov 27 13:27:42 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fARIRg117427 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:27:42 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:27:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200111271827.fARIRff17423@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Time warp Off Road Technique Question... aka What Would You Do?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Spot is wearing 285/75R16 Super Swamper SSR Radials. These are a 34" > tall, > fairly wide tire with an aggressive tread and soft compound. > > Stella is fashionably attired in the stock sized 265/75R16 BFG Mud > Terrains. > > At 70mph I'm running right at 3000 rpm in 5th. The engine is very > comfortable at that rpm and still has some torque if I want to [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Thanks Bruce! Seems like a good match if I bump the tire size as well. The 110 currently has 235/85R16's on it - not sure how tall they actually are. They need to be replaced (they're some ancient Michelin XPC Traction all-terrain tubed tire). Still a moderate amount of tread left but the the base tread isn't fun in mud/snow (well, lots of fun if you don't actually want to get anywhere quickly or in a controlled fashion!). Only problem for now is the cost of changing diffs and tires (I imagine the stock gearing would be pretty pokey with bigger tires). Shannon From bens Tue Nov 27 19:21:03 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAS0L3j19254 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:21:03 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:21:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200111280021.fAS0L2a19250@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "russell wilson" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Don't you just love toy computers!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Peter, That coffee is getting to your brain... Macs are just fine. Besides, you are picking a fight in the wrong neighborhood. >Could it be that since Mac's are for people who don't want to learn about >computers, I just need the damn thing to download my email and my porn errrr ummmm I mean download my email and my news quotes without having to have a computer degree. > Windows ain't perfect but its way more >stable than any Mac OS I've used, at least up to OS 8.6. OS X.1 is the best thing I've ever used. You should give it a shot and see what you think. -- From bens Tue Nov 27 21:15:06 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAS2F6J20000 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:15:06 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:15:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200111280215.fAS2F5b19996@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Don't you just love toy computers!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well Peter, thanks for giving us all your OPINIONs without actually trying to add input to my original question. (And thanks to the 1 or 2 folks who did add input about my question about crossover viruses.) I don't bad mouth people who use Wintel boxes tho' I believe they are pretty much a great practical joke. Think about it, you get 4 Wintel boxes in one place and you need to hire a computer guy to keep them running. BTW, who FORCED you to use Macs for a week or two annually? cheers, >Russell Wilso wrote >Peter, That coffee is getting to your brain... Macs >are just fine. Besides, you are picking a fight in the wrong neighborhood.> > >My experience with Mac's, going back to the original, has been horrible. >Don't think I've ever used a Mac that hasn't crashed, with plug pulling >finality, in less than a 1/2 hour. My father has had Macs since their >inception and currently an IMac. I've been forced to use these computers >for a week or two annually and for more than a month, this year. Finally >got the feel of its quirky way of doing things but found my Windows NT to be [ 42 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista From bens Tue Nov 27 20:46:27 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAS1kR519828 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:46:27 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:46:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200111280146.fAS1kRT19824@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Nieto, Armando S., Jr." To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Don't you just love toy computers!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 39 lines filtered. ] Here, Here! I agree with Russell. Macs expecially OS X.1 are awesome. I just got an ibook/ipod setup and I LOVE it. Coming from a diehard PC guy thats saying something... :^) Armando 96 Disco "Higgins" From bens Tue Nov 27 20:38:04 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAS1c4Q19777 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:38:04 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:38:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200111280138.fAS1c3O19773@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Ogilvie" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Don't you just love toy computers!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Russell Wilso wrote >Peter, That coffee is getting to your brain... Macs are just fine. Besides, you are picking a fight in the wrong neighborhood.> My experience with Mac's, going back to the original, has been horrible. Don't think I've ever used a Mac that hasn't crashed, with plug pulling finality, in less than a 1/2 hour. My father has had Macs since their inception and currently an IMac. I've been forced to use these computers for a week or two annually and for more than a month, this year. Finally got the feel of its quirky way of doing things but found my Windows NT to be a lot friendlier, more functional, useful and robust than the MAC 8.6 O/S. The Mac O/S did do more things automatically than windows and was way faster and easier to load and shutdown. Unfortunately, it also did things for me that I didn't want done and seemed to freeze up when I tried to undue its automatic mindset, that is, if it didn't just freeze on its own, for no good reason. Has Apple ever figured out that you have more than one finger and can use more than one button on a mouse??? This is probably a grease vs oil argument. Suffice it to say, given my previous bad experience with Mac's and the premium you have to pay for them, I'd never consider a Mac. Must admit, I'm not a GUI person. Got more done with less effort on my old DOS machines. Came late to Windows and, for the most part, am still trying to figure out why I ever dropped DOS. Aloha Peter Ogilvie Kona Coffee Rover 1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering from exposure of the dark side. 1966 109 pickup 'slime' In my garage since '90, finally running. 1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava. 196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust >From: "russell wilson" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: Don't you just love toy computers!! >Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:21:02 -0500 > >Peter, That coffee is getting to your brain... Macs are just fine. >Besides, you are picking a fight in the wrong neighborhood. > [ 15 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From bens Tue Nov 27 22:36:52 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAS3aqC20473 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:36:52 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:36:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200111280336.fAS3apY20469@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Don't you just love toy computers!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Speaking of coffee...what's the story on that this year??? Charles On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:38:03 -0500 "Peter Ogilvie" writes: > > Macs Russell Wilso wrote >Peter, That coffee is getting to your brain... ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Tue Nov 27 22:41:35 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAS3fZk20515 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:41:35 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:41:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200111280341.fAS3fZR20511@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: Thanksgiving recce to the Lost Coast Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The road is Usal Road. It's a Mendocino County road that connects to Highway 1 where it really "ends" at Rockport. As "Highway 1" heads inland from there, it is (or at least used to be) only a "signed route" with a different number for the "legislative route" (that shows another--three-digit as I recall--number on the milepost markers) even though the obvious road signs still say Hwy 1. Similarly, although it's not a signed route for Highway 1, the road in Humboldt County from Fernbridge into Ferndale is (or at least used to be) Legislative Route 1 (on the milepost markers). I think the intention at one time was that Usal Road, Horse Mountain/King's Peak Road, Wilder Ridge Road to Honeydew, then (I don't recall the name... Mattole Road?) from Honeydew to Petrolia, then the "Wildcat" to Cape Town and Ferndale was to become "improved" as Highway 1. I think it's a pretty safe bet now that it won't happen. Times change. > Did you try the southerly entrance to the Lost Coast, just > after Hwy 1 heads east (inland)? This 8 mile dirt road [snip] > & Jim Russell. Then we were able to drive the ridge road from > Shelter Cove to Usal Beach. A few years later a washout occured > on the road that remained unrepaired by BLM or the Sinkyone State > Wilderness Area. That washout was fixed several years ago by the County. Even when it was washed out, a horse or motorcycle could still squeeze through. I think that washout was actually brought to the County's attention by the Lost Coast Four-Wheel-Drive Club. One of the things that slowed down fixing it was that the downhill side of the road there is owned by the Sinkyone Indians. We had to do a lot of extra archaeological study to get permission from them to enter their land. The uphill side was owned by GP (Geogia-Pacific) who cooperated completely. In fact, I still have keys to the GP gates. I had them so I could get to the site via GP's logging road from Andersonia (across the Eel Rover from Piercy) to Kenny (just a site and a gate now but was once a logging "town"), a few miles north of the washout. A couple of years later, there were more washouts south of Usal, near Highway 1, but I think those were repaired, too. I agree that Usal Beach is a special place. Bear Harbor is, too. Both are part of Sinkyone Wilderness State Park. There's no BLM land until you get almost to Humboldt County. My sister's ranch borders the east side of the BLM land in the Horse Mountain/Queen's Peak (south of King's Peak) area. We used to be able to drive out of the ranch into the BLM trails but don't know if we still can or not. I don't go camping at "the ranch" anymore and have kind of lost touch. Cheers, Granny From bens Tue Nov 27 22:36:54 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAS3asB20481 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:36:54 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:36:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200111280336.fAS3asH20477@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: [rovernet] Baddie disguised as RE: K & N Filters Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Perhaps that's why I have good fortune in being able to stop these things from doing any damage...I have Outlook, but I don't use it...never even set it up. Charles On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:09:41 -0500 Julian Kwasneski writes: > > Ah finally something I can understand ... > > Most (if not all) email-related viruses affect PCs. Most of the > dangerous > viruses rely on the scripting capabilities of a program like Outlook > or > Word. Apps that can literally wrench control of the machine from the > user [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Wed Nov 28 03:20:32 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAS8KWA22865 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 03:20:32 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 03:20:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200111280820.fAS8KV322861@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Ogilvie" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Coffee info for Charles I. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Crop was way down because of poor rains during last years growing season. Have coffee available now, though. Will be picking the tag end of the crop over the next couple of weeks so will have more available over the next few months but will probably run out by the spring. Get your order in early. Rainfall has been good this year so should have a bumper crop for next year's vintage. Have been following your trials and tribulations with the Cortina. You lost a few points in my high estimation of you. Would have thought that JB Weld would have been your first line of fix for the cracked carb body, unless you'd have tried duct tape first. After all the guru of all things mechanical, Paul Harvey, has raised JB Weld to magic status in fixing everything. How'd the JB Weld work out??? Aloha Peter Ogilvie Kona Coffee Rover 1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering from exposure of the dark side. 1966 109 pickup 'slime' In my garage since '90, finally running. 1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava. 196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust >From: Charles R Irvin >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: Don't you just love toy computers!! >Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:36:51 -0500 > >Speaking of coffee...what's the story on that this year??? > >Charles [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From bens Wed Nov 28 07:59:08 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fASCx8424114 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:59:08 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:59:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200111281259.fASCx7c24110@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: rovernet@lyris.ccdata.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: [rovernet] Virus Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Here's a new one that somebody just sent to me... EA4DMGBP9p - sent from the address "RoarN"<_irene@east.no Norton sez that my mailbox was full, and that it couldn't open it/couldn't contact the site! (of course it couldn't...I read my email offline!) Charles On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:42:11 +1300 "Joan and Roy Sinclair" writes: > Some of the virus's I received in the last 24hrs. > W32 Magistr39921@mm > Point of exe Chicago > William F mann glooscop@globalserve.net > W32 Badtrans 29020 > theray@alltel.net > royp@satlink.com.au > From Neil Sinclair Unknown 0415 data re bin Laaden Virus W32 > Badtrans.B@mm [ 17 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Wed Nov 28 09:36:34 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fASEaYH24625 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:36:34 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:36:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200111281436.fASEaXl24621@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cc: series1@landrover.net Subject: Virus activity Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ 31 lines filtered. ] --=====================_1960007==_.ALT Hi, Yesterday I had several warnings about incoming mail being infected by Magistrate and Badtran. These were removed at the time by Norton. There seems to be a newer Badtran that is larger so it didn't get caught on the way in. At least two or three times I received messages that were blank from wise owl and some strangers. So I updated my virus list and did a scan of all files. There were two virusfiles in my computer. Apparently the program I use (Eudora) didn't accept them attached to the mail. Now they are deleted also. THese were Magistrate and Badtran. One contaminated file was called "Me_Nude". I probably would have clicked that one open if I saw it. Funny to receive Badtran from a Land Rover parts supplier. He had a tranny on EBAY recently. I would be afraid to use Outlook because of all the virus stuff. If I had been, they would probably ignited and screwed everything up. At 04:59 AM 11/28/2001, you wrote: >Here's a new one that somebody just sent to me... > >EA4DMGBP9p - sent from the address "RoarN"<_irene@east.no >Charles --=====================_1960007==_.ALT From bens Wed Nov 28 12:25:49 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fASHPni25456 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:25:49 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:25:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200111281725.fASHPm525452@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Disco Lug Nuts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, I went to put my front pads on the Disco this weekend and found that the lug wrench doesn't fit the lug nuts. I checked the spare and it fits those nuts. It appeared that the lug nuts had a dress cap on them and needed to be removed so the lug wrench would fit. I didn't want to damage anything so I went to LR San Jose and was told that the "caps" don't come off the the lug nuts. The reason why the wrench won't fit it "some guy put them on with a air wrench and hammered them". The cap smashes against the lug nut and tries to "strip" when the lug gets tight. The service writer told me to get a bigger lug wrench and replace them when they break. Is this correct? Has it happened to anyone else? He couldn't remember if they were $200 or $400, seems a little high for 4 sets of lug nuts. Maybe there's gold inside and I can cut 'em in half and dig it out... Let me know. Thanks, Keith From bens Wed Nov 28 13:13:08 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fASID8T25674 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:13:08 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:13:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200111281813.fASID8425670@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Disco Lug Nuts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Everything you've heard is correct Keith. The trim caps on the lug nuts can be damaged by excessive torque, new ones are about $200 a set from the dealer (cheaper form other sources). You might be able to fix some or all of yours if you are able to hammer the proper sized socket onto the nuts and knock the trim caps back into shape. If you use a regular impact socket to re-form the nuts, then chances are good that the lug wrench will be a slightly sloppier fit and will fit onto the lug nuts once they have been re-shaped by the socket. Might be worth a try, as the socket will be cheaper than a set of lug nuts. -Dave G. From bens Wed Nov 28 15:04:20 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fASK4KX26231 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:04:20 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:04:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200111282004.fASK4J126227@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kelly Minnick" To: "Mendo" Subject: Remove Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Ben- Could you please remove me from the mail list for right now? Thanks. For anyone who has asked me questions, can you ask them again in another week or so? Our family is going through a very rough time right now as my youngest son Nick (16) took his life on Monday. I'd appreciate any prayers. Take care, Kelly Minnick From bens Wed Nov 28 15:37:25 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fASKbPE26396 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:37:25 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:37:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200111282037.fASKbO926392@minbar.fourfold.org> From: FHY To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Remove Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kelly, Our prayers are with you and your family. Frank ----------------------------------------------------------- Kelly Minnick wrote: >Hi Ben- >Could you please remove me from the mail list for right now? Thanks. ... > From bens Wed Nov 28 16:04:20 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fASL4KS26549 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:04:20 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:04:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200111282104.fASL4JR26545@minbar.fourfold.org> From: CHRISBONIN@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Remove Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kelly, My dearest sympathy to you and your family. Chris From bens Wed Nov 28 16:34:46 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fASLYkC26718 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:34:46 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:34:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200111282134.fASLYkN26714@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Kelly Minnick Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've taken Kelly off the list per his request. So he will not receive any emails sent via the list from this point forward. If you want to send condolances to him, send them directly to his email address: kminnick@gte.net Ben From bens Wed Nov 28 18:37:33 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fASNbXV27393 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:37:33 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:37:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200111282337.fASNbWl27389@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Virus activity Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bob, apparently, the Roar email address that I mentioned this A.M. belongs to a fellow on the Rovernet, who got hit with the beastie himself! Sez that it wiped 22 files from his computer, then tried to forward it out on the Rovernet! Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Wed Nov 28 20:51:41 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAT1pfv28087 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:51:41 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:51:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200111290151.fAT1pe428083@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Charles Computer Woes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, I don't do this often and I'll make an exception for you since you've had some trouble in "Computerville". I work for Apple and get a good discount on our products. Go to www.apple.com, pick something out and I'll get you a discount on it. DON'T ORDER ANYTHING as I have to order it internally to get the discount. Let me know if you're interested and we can proceed. Also as a Mac user... With iTools, you can email friends and family from you Mac.com address, share your photos and iMovies via iDisk and create your own web site with HomePage. Best of all iTools is free for Mac OS 9 and OS X users. Thanks, Keith From bens Wed Nov 28 21:22:58 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAT2Mw528264 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:22:58 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:22:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200111290222.fAT2Mwe28260@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Virus activity Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Strange. The last virus I got was from the Dormobile folks in the UK. I finally got him to respond to my e-mail and couldn't read the file. He hasn't responded since. Later, Gerry _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From bens Wed Nov 28 22:11:54 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAT3Bsh28520 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:11:54 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:11:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200111290311.fAT3Brr28516@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Charles Computer Woes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Keith, thanks a heap - but I haven't really had any trouble lately...I know many people that have, though...the Rovernet (Rover car list) seems to be getting hit this week, and often! I'm just passing info along in case listers on Mendo start seeing strange things. My only problem is that stalker on this list that keeps sending me hate mail - but that's no problem, because...:)...I just think it's sad that person is afraid to reveal their identity. I mean, if I had a problem with somebody, I'd say something to that person about it, rather than to send threatening emails using somebody else's address - the true sign of a troubled soul. Until then - that person is ignored...a nobody...a LOSER! I have nothing against Apples, mind you - just never owned one. (though I think Peter may be a bit biased!) I like how they're put together, though. Charles On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:51:40 -0500 Keith Shukait writes: > > Charles, > > I don't do this often and I'll make an exception for you since > you've > had some trouble in "Computerville". I work for Apple and get a > good > discount on our products. Go to www.apple.com, pick something out > and [ 19 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Wed Nov 28 23:58:41 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAT4wfH29026 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:58:41 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:58:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200111290458.fAT4weV29022@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Coffee info for Charles I. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Actually Peter, while I have used J.B. Weld for things in the past, I never could recall if it worked or not, so I just never thought about it! Sorry... I didn't do as much on Monday as was originally planned, because I was trying to get the Weber back together. Was putting the top cover back on, and found that two of the cover retaining screw holes were stripped! This is where I made an existing problem worse: of all the taps and dies that I have, the next larger size that I could come up with that was close to the metric hole/thread that there was, was 1/4 x 28. Fine - if you plan to use bolts - and if you remember this little detail BEFORE the tapping commences! The local hardware store doesn't carry 1/4 x 28 screws - only bolts (the design of the carb top cover mandates screws). Ditto for the local Kragan/Auto Zone/Home Depot, and since I didn't have a running car, I ended up wasting 3 hours hopping on the Metro Rail to Long Beach - then walking 1 mile more or less, to get to an industrial hardware store that DOES carry such a creature, and then making the same trek back to the house! Not only did I get them, but they're also stainless, and allen head (with a round head, too) 3 hours, $3.30 in Metro Rail fare, to buy $1.19 in hardware...I'm CRAZY!!!!! I got the carb back together - then cracked the J.B. patch on the float chamber! Placed a second coat of J.B. over the first coat, installed carb and manifold back on to engine, and let it sit overnight. (it's always fun to tell your dispatcher that you'll find out of your car is fixed on the way to work in the morning!) Oddly enough, so far...it's working, and with no leaks!!!!!! Was given the day off tomorrow, (hardly any work to be done, and it's supposed to rain) so I'll be here working on SD1, and maybe Gillian: with the events of the last few days, I'm probably moving back to my original plan of rebuilding the petrol block as a diesel...I ran out of time to swap blocks in Gillian due to my misadventures, and the hoist goes back to its owner on Sunday, so the time to do what I would have to do just isn't there. So weather permitting, I'll probably play with 3.5L timing chain sets tomorrow...maybe I'll strip down Gillian's existing engine, and prepare to remove it? Thanks for the info on the coffee...you'll probably hear from me on that - soon. Charles On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 03:20:31 -0500 "Peter Ogilvie" writes: > > > Have been following your trials and tribulations with the Cortina. > You lost > a few points in my high estimation of you. Would have thought that > JB Weld > would have been your first line of fix for the cracked carb body, > unless > you'd have tried duct tape first. After all the guru of all things [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Thu Nov 29 01:40:12 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAT6eCN30553 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:40:12 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:40:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200111290640.fAT6eCf30549@minbar.fourfold.org> From: prsncat@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Kelly Minnick Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If anyone is talking to Kelly and family and knows anything the mendo_recce family can do for them, then please share it with the rest of us. Kelly is one of my favorite people and I feel pretty helpless. Brian Foster From bens Thu Nov 29 02:23:54 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAT7Nsk30773 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 02:23:54 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 02:23:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200111290723.fAT7Nsq30769@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Charles Computer Woes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, You don't know (computer) joy until you have a nice little iBook and an Airport! It's so much nicer to read read Rover emails from your couch then a desk somewhere! It's hard to understand the differences when just looking at one in a store or using it briefly. For me, they're a lot more consistent and pleasurable to use (note, I am a geek - also run linux and Windows 2000). When I left Apple a long time ago I started using Windows as my main machine. Now with OSX, I've switched back. Stability is great and people are porting lots of software. Shannon On Wednesday, November 28, 2001, at 07:11 PM, Charles R Irvin wrote: > > Keith, > > thanks a heap - but I haven't really had any trouble lately...I know > many > people that have, though...the Rovernet (Rover car list) seems to be > getting hit this week, and often! I'm just passing info along in case > listers on Mendo start seeing strange things. > [ 34 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Nov 29 03:22:44 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAT8MiJ31066 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 03:22:44 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 03:22:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200111290822.fAT8MhZ31062@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Series road trip report Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was in the LA beach area with my 109 for the past week and just drove back (late Wed night) to Sonoma County. The weather was hurricane quality coming over the San Rafael Bridge where I just missed a pileup. A few minutes later, I heard through the CB that other cars crashed into the mess. Also, I came upon another fresh pileup earlier in Oakland where a vehicle had spun around to face oncoming traffic and was then hit by someone else… Anyway while down South, I stopped by the Redondo Beach LR dealer and looked at a '94 D90 (asking price 24K with 80K miles). I parked my truck right in front of the showroom door. The one guy that came out was very friendly but not a Series enthusiast. He said he's building up a 3 door RR. Gas is avail everywhere in LA for under 1.15 reg. Arco stations sell for 1.05 to 1.09 per gal. And of final note: I returned a surprising 15 miles per gallon driving 200 miles at 65 mph from Redondo Beach to Kettleman City. Joe Mulqueen (Thinking about Kelly) '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From bens Thu Nov 29 03:43:14 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAT8hEU31171 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 03:43:14 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 03:43:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200111290843.fAT8hDI31167@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Kelly Minnick Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm thinking we should at least send them some flowers as a group, and make sure they know we are here for them... As in eventually we as group, will probably help Kelly normalize his life again?? Just a thought TomW > > If anyone is talking to Kelly and family and knows anything the mendo_recce > family can do for them, then please share it with the rest of us. Kelly is > one of my favorite people and I feel pretty helpless. > > Brian Foster > > *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Thu Nov 29 10:04:11 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fATF4BB00620 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:04:11 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:04:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200111291504.fATF4B000616@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Charles Computer Woes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...the Rovernet (Rover car list) seems to be getting hit this week,..." I'm getting a lot of crap at home from XK (Jag) people lately. Virus is a good term. It's like the flu, just keeps going around and you get exposed a bunch of times from different areas. My Computer Associates firewall and virus scan stuff is keeping me clean, but this stuff is more of a PITA for me than junk mail is. You can practically eliminate your potential for virus exposure with Outlook Express by just turning off the preview pane. Let the messages download, delete the ones you want to, and then open a viewing pane to read the rest. Working for me so far. -Dave G. From bens Thu Nov 29 10:38:10 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fATFcA100809 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:38:10 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:38:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200111291538.fATFc9p00805@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Kelly Minnick Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey, There's an idea. Like Brian posted, I feel kind helpless. But, as I see it, if 10 people contributed $20 each (which I would do), that's a lot of flowers. Is this the last idea? Any thing else? To have them delivered we need his address. Can Yahoo help with Kelly Minnick in Ridgecrest? Ben, do you have his address? Or someone in the NCRC, Is he a member? >I'm thinking we should at least send them some flowers as a group, >and make sure they know we are here for them... As in eventually we >as group, will probably help Kelly normalize his life again?? > >Just a thought >TomW > > > > > If anyone is talking to Kelly and family and knows anything the mendo_recce [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista From bens Thu Nov 29 10:54:34 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fATFsY100904 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:54:34 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:54:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200111291554.fATFsXx00899@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Kelly Minnick Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I know he's in the book in Ridgecrest. I have his phone number, but not address. If we can find the address maybe it would be as nice (and easier) for each to send a little something, with the card just saying, "From your Mendo Friends". Please let me know if you find an address. I'll check on line... -Dave G. From bens Thu Nov 29 11:06:21 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fATG6Ls01027 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:06:21 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:06:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200111291606.fATG6KX01022@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series road trip report Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Joe, ...you were in L.A. and didn't even look up Russ or myself?.....For shame... :) Charles On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 03:22:43 -0500 joe mulqueen writes: > > I was in the LA beach area with my 109 for the past > week and just drove back (late Wed night) to Sonoma > County. The weather was hurricane quality coming over > the San Rafael Bridge where I just missed a pileup. A > few minutes later, I heard through the CB that other > cars crashed into the mess. Also, I came upon another > fresh pileup earlier in Oakland where a vehicle had > spun around to face oncoming traffic and was then hit [ 23 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Thu Nov 29 11:06:20 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fATG6KD01023 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:06:20 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:06:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200111291606.fATG6Jm01016@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Kelly Minnick Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Soon as/if this gets organized, my $20 is on the way. Charles On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:38:09 -0500 john hess writes: > > Hey, There's an idea. Like Brian posted, I feel kind helpless. > > But, as I see it, if 10 people contributed $20 each (which I would > do), that's a lot of flowers. Is this the last idea? Any thing > else? > > To have them delivered we need his address. Can Yahoo help with > Kelly Minnick in Ridgecrest? [ 26 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Thu Nov 29 11:21:03 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fATGL3u01120 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:21:03 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:21:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200111291621.fATGL3201116@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Kelly Minnick Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200111291554.fATFsXx00899@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > I know he's in the book in Ridgecrest. I have his phone number, but not > address. If we can find the address maybe it would be as nice (and easier) > for each to send a little something, with the card just saying, "From your > Mendo Friends". It's a small town. One zipcode. 93555. So I went to pull out my Ridgecrest phonebook and found that it had been purged in my last move. So I pulled out my map of Ridgecrest since I remembered dementionally where he lives. It's one of the small courts off of Radar Drive on the south end of town. And then Sherwood looked right. Using whitepages.com I was able to confirm the address: Kelly Minnick 605 Sherwood Ct. Ridgecrest, CA 93555 760-371-2441 I'll contribute if someone wants to organize this. Ben From bens Thu Nov 29 11:27:56 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fATGRuQ01161 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:27:56 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:27:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200111291627.fATGRtx01157@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Daniel Oppenheim To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Kelly Minnick Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm in for $40 also. daniel At 11:21 AM 11/29/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >In message <200111291554.fATFsXx00899@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > >> I know he's in the book in Ridgecrest. I have his phone number, but not >> address. If we can find the address maybe it would be as nice (and easier) >> for each to send a little something, with the card just saying, "From your >> Mendo Friends". > > It's a small town. One zipcode. 93555. So I went to pull out my [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] So I From bens Thu Nov 29 11:16:47 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fATGGlX01086 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:16:47 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:16:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200111291616.fATGGkF01082@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Kelly Minnick Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Okay, here you go: Kelly Minnick 605 Sherwood Ct. Ridgecrest, CA 93555-4944 Personally, I think it's nicer to send something small and quick, so I'll do that on my own. If someone wants to organize something, go ahead. -Dave G. From bens Thu Nov 29 11:57:06 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fATGv6d01331 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:57:06 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:57:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200111291657.fATGv6G01327@minbar.fourfold.org> From: FHY To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Kelly Minnick Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi John and all on the mendo list, Good idea. I'd be happy to contribute. However, having been to several funerals lately, I've learnt that there is another contribution that can be more important. The death of a family member can be an enormous financial hardship. I would suggest that we instead pool the money and offer it to the Minnick family. I know that some may perceive the giving of money to be in bad taste but if you haven't priced a burial .. well you may be in for a shock. What better way to show Kelly that we care? And, if Kelly doesn't need the money, he can always donate it to a charity of his choice in his son's name. At least we give him the option. And, I think we can get more than 10 people to donate $20. Frank -------------------------------------------------------- John hess wrote: >Hey, There's an idea. Like Brian posted, I feel kind helpless. > >But, as I see it, if 10 people contributed $20 each (which I would >do), that's a lot of flowers. Is this the last idea? Any thing else? > From bens Thu Nov 29 12:10:27 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fATHARr01399 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:10:27 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:10:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200111291710.fATHAQ301395@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: RE: Kelly Minnick_ Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Frank, I was going to send some flowers on my own today, but this is a better idea. John, if you are up to the collection I am in for $100. Mehdi _Hi John and all on the mendo list, _Good idea. I'd be happy to contribute. _However, having been to several funerals lately, I've learnt that there > he can always donate it to a charity of his choice in his son's >name. At least we give him the option. >And, I think we can get more than 10 people to donate $20. >Frank From bens Thu Nov 29 12:14:03 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fATHE3Y01420 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:14:03 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:14:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200111291714.fATHE2701416@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Kelly Minnick_ Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...John, if you are up to the collection I am in for $100....." Ditto -Dave G. From bens Thu Nov 29 12:22:44 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fATHMi401482 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:22:44 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:22:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200111291722.fATHMhw01478@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Kelly Minnick_ Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm game to organize it and send a check to Kelly. I think the thing to do is say something like "we didn't know how to help, but your friends in the NCRC/Mendo list want you to have this. Whatever you wish to do with it, you may; if you feel it will do more good, feel free to donate it to a charity you feel appropriate." I'll make an alphabetical list of contributors with ??email addresses or snail mail addresses?? It's Thursday AM. If folks are interested, email me privately, with your intent and amount. I'll keep a total and front a check on Monday to Kelly. Then folks can put a check in the mail to me. How's that sound? John Hess, jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Mehdi Saghafi wrote: > > Frank, I was going to send some flowers on my own today, but this is a > better idea. John, if you are up to the collection I am in for $100. > Mehdi > > _Hi John and all on the mendo list, > _Good idea. I'd be happy to contribute. > _However, having been to several funerals lately, I've learnt that there > > he can always donate it to a charity of his choice in his son's [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens Thu Nov 29 12:40:07 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fATHe7x01586 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:40:07 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:40:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200111291740.fATHe6H01582@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Daniel Oppenheim To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Kelly Minnick-flowers being sent_ Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm in favor of a "both" solution, rather than an "either or" I will wire flowers today, in the amount of $100. I will contribute $40 towards them, and hope that I receive $60 from other folks. John, I will send you funds today, and e-mail you the amount. Thanks for taking care of the collection and sending. Might I suggest a less wordy note to him, and just send our love. He is fully capable of deciding what to do with the gift. Cheers, Daniel At 12:22 PM 11/29/2001 -0500, you wrote: From bens Thu Nov 29 12:50:56 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fATHouC01652 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:50:56 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:50:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200111291750.fATHotF01648@minbar.fourfold.org> From: FHY To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Kelly Minnick_ Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi John, Please post your mail address. Frank -------------------------------------------- john hess wrote: >I'm game to organize it and send a check to Kelly. > From bens Thu Nov 29 12:56:32 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fATHuWC01688 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:56:32 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:56:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200111291756.fATHuW101684@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: RE: Kelly Minnick_ Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sound great, give us your home address for us to send a check to you. Thanks mehdi From bens Thu Nov 29 13:04:59 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fATI4xT01725 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:04:59 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:04:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200111291804.fATI4wC01721@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Kelly Minnick_ Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Count Petra and I in as well. Just to clarify (with so many emails going back and forth I want to be sure) we should send the $ to John Hess, correct? We'll email the amount offline... Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Thu Nov 29 13:37:23 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fATIbNO01913 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:37:23 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:37:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200111291837.fATIbNs01909@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Kelly Minnick Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Giving Money is in poor taste in this circumstance IMHO... ( I could be wrong??? ), but.. I wasn't suggesting people send money to cover flowers either... ( A HUGE boquet of flowers isn't any better than a well thought out card with flowers ) The point is: He dropped off the list due to trama in his family/life.. We as a list should let him know "we support" him when he needs it. no contributions necessary. TomW > > Hi John and all on the mendo list, > > Good idea. I'd be happy to contribute. > > However, having been to several funerals lately, I've learnt that there > is another contribution that can be more important. The death of a > family member can be an enormous financial hardship. I would suggest > that we instead pool the money and offer it to the Minnick family. I [ 22 additional quoted lines pruned. ] *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Thu Nov 29 13:44:37 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fATIibW01945 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:44:37 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:44:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200111291844.fATIib601941@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Kelly Minnick_ Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks, usually at a funeral they let you know where to donate money if they are expecting any... I just wouldn't assume this is something he thinks can balance the loss of his son. Kind thoughts, family, friends and church support are what will get him through this, not money... I'm not saying I won't donate, I'm just not sure its what I'd want to see if I was in his shoes. I'll be sending some flowers and a note today... leme know the group consensus on other donations as apparently I'm not in touch. TomW > > Frank, I was going to send some flowers on my own today, but this is a > better idea. John, if you are up to the collection I am in for $100. > Mehdi > > _Hi John and all on the mendo list, > _Good idea. I'd be happy to contribute. > _However, having been to several funerals lately, I've learnt that there > > he can always donate it to a charity of his choice in his son's [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Thu Nov 29 13:45:39 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fATIjdg01974 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:45:39 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:45:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200111291845.fATIjdZ01970@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Kelly Minnick_ Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org OK, my snail mail address is John Hess 1615 Colusa Ave. Davis, CA 95616-3130 I would very much like to get an email count of $ and NAMES. I will send out a check Monday, but I don't necessarily need to have received your checks by then. I do want the email note about it! cheers, On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, FHY wrote: > > Hi John, > > Please post your mail address. > > Frank > > -------------------------------------------- > [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens Thu Nov 29 13:47:48 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fATIlmA01985 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:47:48 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:47:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200111291847.fATIlmL01981@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Daniel Oppenheim To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Kelly Minnick_ Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Mendo folks, I just got off the phone with The Flower Shop and Gift Express, in Ridgecrest. (760-371-1350.) Flowers will be delivered today to Kelly's home. For those of you who would like to contribute for the flowers, you can send funds to me at: Daniel Oppenheim 30 Harry St. San Francisco, CA 94131 I will forward any funds received in excess of $60 ($100 for the flowers, I contributed $40) to John Hess for his inclusion in the gift to Kelly. Thanks, Daniel At 01:04 PM 11/29/2001 -0500, you wrote: From bens Thu Nov 29 14:45:59 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fATJjxK02302 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 14:45:59 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 14:45:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200111291945.fATJjsE02298@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Kelly Minnick_ Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....I just wouldn't assume this is something he thinks can balance the loss of his son...." Heavens no. I just feel bad about not being able to do the things that we would do if we lived closer. Bring meals, shop, take care of menial trivial things etc. I'd much rather be able to do those things in person. But in lieu of that, if a little money can help to ease the time and effort spent on things like that, I'd feel like I helped a little. I wouldn't know how to put that in words on a card though..... :^( -Dave G. From bens Thu Nov 29 16:18:50 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fATLIoi02846 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:18:50 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:18:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200111292118.fATLInT02842@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Expiditions overland Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anyone ever heard of these folks? They are right in our own backyard. http://www.expeditionsoverland.com/contact.htm TomW *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Thu Nov 29 18:04:29 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fATN4TI03367 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:04:29 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:04:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200111292304.fATN4TZ03363@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "nick baggarly" To: Subject: The other Land Rover San Jose Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Speaking of trip reports, I visited Land Rover, San Jose Costa Rica a couple days ago and met the manager. We´re in Puerto Viejo now but going back in a couple days to meet the owner and get some of those series trop top roof rack clamps. Practically every 88 down here has a set. I´m hoping to score one of those cool Costa Rican CKD plaques as well. If anyone is looking for anything in particular (small items solomente), send an email and I´ll try to find it for you. I can deliver to the Christmas Party next week. Nick From bens Thu Nov 29 18:25:37 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fATNPbA03493 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:25:37 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:25:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200111292325.fATNPbA03489@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: The other Land Rover San Jose Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Nick! Did you get a chance to visit the guys that used to do the CKD builds? I hear one of them is still around. My 109 is a costa rican beast, ckd plate and all. Still chugging along with j-suffix diesel, series 3 trans, ENV rear axle, and now various other donor parts I've collected along the way. No immaculate restoration here....this is a REAL Land Rover..... :^) Say hi for me and tell them thanks for building "my" truck! Oh yeah, and if they have rebuild kits for a "Villar" clutch master cylinder, pick two up for me and I'll pay you for them. Last time I checked through contacts down there, the Villar kit (with dual piston seals) was NLA. -Dave G. From bens Thu Nov 29 20:27:12 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAU1RCw04274 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 20:27:12 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 20:27:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200111300127.fAU1RBs04270@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "russell wilson" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Kelly Minnick Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I like this idea.... I just went through a family funeral and Frank is right. BIG $$$ for a funeral of even modest size. I'm in for $20. Who's collecting? >Hi John and all on the mendo list, > >Good idea. I'd be happy to contribute. > >However, having been to several funerals lately, I've learnt that there >is another contribution that can be more important. The death of a >family member can be an enormous financial hardship. I would suggest >that we instead pool the money and offer it to the Minnick family. I >know that some may perceive the giving of money to be in bad taste but [ 17 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- From bens Thu Nov 29 22:49:07 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAU3n7I04981 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 22:49:07 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 22:49:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200111300349.fAU3n7l04977@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Expiditions overland Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Don't know anything, but visited the web pages and saw the blue d90 diesel LHD for sale. Sent John and email and he responded and called. It's $18K and not here yet (ex MOD). Certainly what someone wants, but I'm curious to see how it fairs when it arrives in port. that's all I know, cheers, >Anyone ever heard of these folks? >They are right in our own backyard. > >http://www.expeditionsoverland.com/contact.htm > >TomW > *---------*---------* >tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista From bens Thu Nov 29 23:11:28 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAU4BSI05099 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 23:11:28 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 23:11:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200111300411.fAU4BRA05095@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Expiditions overland Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I am in contact with them as well, and am visiting them soon to check out their lightweights. I didn't know we had someone so close that imported Rovers! Very nice! jpipes >Don't know anything, but visited the web pages and saw the blue d90 >diesel LHD for sale. Sent John and email and he responded and >called. It's $18K and not here yet (ex MOD). Certainly what someone >wants, but I'm curious to see how it fairs when it arrives in port. > >that's all I know, > >cheers, > [ 20 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Fri Nov 30 00:35:35 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAU5ZZm06506 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:35:35 -0500 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:35:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200111300535.fAU5ZYu06502@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Kelly Minnick Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Brian wrote: >If anyone is talking to Kelly and family and knows >anything the mendo_recce family can do for them Then Tom wrote: >I'm thinking we should at least send them some flowers as >a group, and make sure they know we are here for them... Then John wrote: >But, as I see it, if 10 people contributed $20 each >(which I would do), that's a lot of flowers. Then Ben wrote: >Using whitepages.com I was able to confirm the address: >Kelly Minnick >605 Sherwood Ct. >Ridgecrest, CA 93555 >760-371-2441 The address Ben posted from whitepages.com is probably correct since it is the address I sent a check to when I bought a Range Rover parts manual from Kelly back in 1996. I'm on digest mode so I got Kelly's e-mail with a bunch of others this morning and I kept thinking about him all day. I've never actually met Kelly but after six years on the list I really feel like I know him and his family. At a time like this almost nothing we do will feel "right", but whether we send Kelly some flowers, some money or a bottle of scotch in the end he will know we are thinking about him and hopefully feel a little bit better (I just put a couple checks in the mail). Kevin From bens Fri Nov 30 11:23:54 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAUGNs509470 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:23:54 -0500 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:23:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200111301623.fAUGNrU09466@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hope Peter" To: Subject: Re: Expiditions overland Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I am in contact with them as well, and am visiting them soon to check out > their lightweights. I didn't know we had someone so close that imported > Rovers! Very nice! > > jpipes The few lightweights I have come accross so far in the US are going for 5k. Seems a bit high, but then I have never been accused of being extravagent :-) Pete From bens Fri Nov 30 11:31:04 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAUGV4c09531 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:31:04 -0500 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:31:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200111301631.fAUGV3a09527@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Nick Eckert To: "'Mendo_Recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Online Memorial for Nick Minnick Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Does anyone know if the funeral home has a virtual memorial site? I had a friend commit suicide last year and the funeral home had a virtual memorial with a picture and eulogy. I looked at Kelly's website and didn't see any family pictures. I am trying to recall if I have met him at Mendo. Deepest Sympathy, Nick Eckert 1973 SIII Grommit with the Red Bonnet From bens Fri Nov 30 12:06:10 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAUH6Al09702 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:06:10 -0500 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:06:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200111301706.fAUH69O09698@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: john hess , mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Kelly Minnick Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John, Please mark me down for 100 dollars. This almost happened to us this year with our 17 year old. Patrick is safe in a RTC program but this year has been the hardest of in my life. I can only imagine what the Minnicks are going through. If anyone is having trouble with their teens we found a great educational consultant and two excellent programs. Patrick's in a loving environment getting a lot of good help and the lord is helping us through each day. God Bless the Minnicks, Our sincerest condolences, The Shukait Family From bens Fri Nov 30 13:00:22 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAUI0MP09925 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:00:22 -0500 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:00:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200111301800.fAUI0Lw09921@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Expiditions overland Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ 39 lines filtered. ] --=====================_8456161==_.ALT He says he "thinks" it is a '75. So it is a lot of money for a Series 3 made to look like a defender, or a defender using 75 series 3 title to get it in to the states. Bob B At 07:49 PM 11/29/2001, you wrote: >Don't know anything, but visited the web pages and saw the blue d90 >diesel LHD for sale. Sent John and email and he responded and >called. It's $18K and not here yet (ex MOD). Certainly what someone >wants, but I'm curious to see how it fairs when it arrives in port. > >that's all I know, > >cheers, > [ 19 additional quoted lines pruned. ] --=====================_8456161==_.ALT From bens Fri Nov 30 14:24:41 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAUJOfA10129 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:24:41 -0500 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:24:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200111301924.fAUJOec10125@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Expiditions overland Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Looking at the pics online, there is no way that is a 75 Series III made to look like D90! jpipes >He says he "thinks" it is a '75. So it is a lot of money for a Series 3 >made to look like a defender, or a defender using 75 series 3 title to get >it in to the states. > >Bob B > >At 07:49 PM 11/29/2001, you wrote: > >>Don't know anything, but visited the web pages and saw the blue d90 [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Fri Nov 30 16:00:53 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAUL0ri10448 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:00:53 -0500 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:00:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200111302100.fAUL0r110444@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Charles Computer Woes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 17 lines filtered. ] In a message dated 11/28/01 7:13:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, cirvin1258@juno.com writes: > I have nothing against Apples, mind you - just never owned one. (though I > think Peter may be a bit biased!) I like how they're put together, > though. > > Are they put together the same way as Land Rovers? Wouldn't they use Ikea soft hammers with Starbucks coffe for lubricity? or ar you talking about the gaps in the cases? Haven't had an Apple product since the Apple II-e, gotta love the disk drive sound. Zack From bens Fri Nov 30 15:32:39 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAUKWd110354 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:32:39 -0500 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:32:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200111302032.fAUKWcN10350@minbar.fourfold.org> From: temp9@oaklandcityattorney.org To: shukait@mac.com Cc: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Teens Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Keith: My thoughts are with Kelly and his family, and with you and yours as well. Parenting teens is a harrowing experience. My daughter, Tatiana, 15, was diagnosed with anorexia this year, which is a potentially fatal condition. It was recommended that we commit her to residential treatment, which we ultimately decided not to pursue, instead she is in intensive outpatient care with a whole team of providers. Doing better, but on a long road of recovery. It really does take a village. I would love to hear more about the programs and support you have found for Patrick. Heartfelt prayers and blessings, and our most sincere condolences to the Minnicks. Prayers and blessings to all families (especially parents and teens!) struggling in these challenging times. Julia Ten Eyck From bens Fri Nov 30 18:38:05 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAUNc5h11469 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 18:38:05 -0500 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 18:38:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200111302338.fAUNc4U11465@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Expiditions overland Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ 38 lines filtered. ] --=====================_6198243==_.ALT OK but when did the D90 start production???? If this is a 1975 ,,,, Then the paperwork must be for a S3. I'd be careful of this kind of transaction. People back east have had their truck confiscated that was imported under the wrong year paperwork. And a dealer that was doing illegal things had his previous customers all traced and checked. I agree no way could a S3 be made to look like a d90. Bob B At 11:24 AM 11/30/2001, you wrote: >Looking at the pics online, there is no way that is a 75 Series III made to >look like D90! > >jpipes > > >He says he "thinks" it is a '75. So it is a lot of money for a Series 3 > >made to look like a defender, or a defender using 75 series 3 title to get > >it in to the states. > > [ 14 additional quoted lines pruned. ] --=====================_6198243==_.ALT From bens Fri Nov 30 18:59:45 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAUNxjd11577 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 18:59:45 -0500 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 18:59:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200111302359.fAUNxiw11573@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Matt Wilson To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Expiditions overland Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bob B Wrote: I'd be careful of this kind of transaction. Bob, Don't bum me out, but thanks for the does of Reality... I am thinking about driving up there around Christmas and looking at the truck. And talking to these guy's I don't know about the blue one, but maybe it would be worth it to see about what else they could bring over? If I get up there I will keep you posted Matt W From bens Fri Nov 30 19:03:02 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fB1032j11624 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:03:02 -0500 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:03:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200112010003.fB1031N11620@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Expiditions overland Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I only brought it up as someone asked me about the guy... I'm not looking to "buy" another Rover.... Sell one? Yes, Buy, No! TomW > OK but when did the D90 start production???? > If this is a 1975 ,,,, Then the paperwork must be for a S3. > I'd be careful of this kind of transaction. People back east have had their > truck confiscated that was imported under the wrong year paperwork. And a > dealer that was doing illegal things had his previous customers all traced > and checked. > > I agree no way could a S3 be made to look like a d90. > [ 20 additional quoted lines pruned. ] *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Fri Nov 30 19:34:16 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fB10YGp11793 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:34:16 -0500 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:34:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200112010034.fB10YGS11789@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Expiditions overland Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Although some of the rest of us might be looking to buy... ;-) Thanks for pointing the chap out to the list. I may be going there this weekend and I'll report back to the list my findings. Should be a lot of fun. >I only brought it up as someone asked me about the guy... > >I'm not looking to "buy" another Rover.... Sell one? Yes, Buy, No! > >TomW > >> OK but when did the D90 start production???? >> If this is a 1975 ,,,, Then the paperwork must be for a S3. >> I'd be careful of this kind of transaction. People back east have had their [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Fri Nov 30 22:27:47 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fB13RlO12522 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:27:47 -0500 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:27:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200112010327.fB13Rlb12518@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Expiditions overland Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...Depends on what type/how thorough of a restoration was done...everybody does chassis swaps, and Defender "look-alike" body kits are all over the U.K. I happen to have a set of Defender headlight surrounds, and fender spats in my garage, and was considering doing such a conversion on Gillian, though it wouldn't be complete without a coiler chassis, or a Tdi/Td5 engine. I have seen such a heavily modified truck about 2 years ago, and I was VERY impressed: everything was there, even the servicing decals in the engine compartment! I didn't believe that it was a SIII until I saw sequential photos of the truck as it underwent restoration! You'd swear that it was a factory D90 Tdi! On the other hand, you never know what somebody "else" may be doing. Do it yourself, or buyer beware. Charles On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 18:38:04 -0500 Bob & Sue Bernard writes: > > I agree no way could a S3 be made to look like a d90. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.