From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 01:39:59 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06350 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 01:39:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200001310639.BAA01194@blacker.gdbg.org> From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: mendo_recce@netslum.org Subject: test domains Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 22:39:57 -0800 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com Hmmm, I wonder... From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 01:43:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06362 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 01:43:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200001310643.AAA03841@psasolar.colltech.com> From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: mendo_recce@ovlr.org Subject: testing domains again Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 00:43:05 -0600 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org -- Benjamin Smith "If I were running such a contest, I would Collective Technologies specifically eliminate any entries from Ben (a pencom company) involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. Land- : '72 Series III 88" He'd drive it up the Amazon Basin for a half -Rover: '94 Discovery 5-Spd can of Jolt and a stale cookie." --K. Archie From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 01:43:54 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06372 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 01:43:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200001310643.AAA03871@psasolar.colltech.com> From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: test 4 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 00:43:52 -0600 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org -- Benjamin Smith "If I were running such a contest, I would Collective Technologies specifically eliminate any entries from Ben (a pencom company) involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. Land- : '72 Series III 88" He'd drive it up the Amazon Basin for a half -Rover: '94 Discovery 5-Spd can of Jolt and a stale cookie." --K. Archie From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 01:47:18 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06382 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 01:47:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200001310645.BAA01202@blacker.gdbg.org> From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com Subject: List Admin Note Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 22:45:07 -0800 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've had enough of having the list on a server where I don't have root. (Call me picky). So this evening I downloaded and installed Majordomo. I'm going to be moving the list later on in the week. Right now I'm testing it all out to make sure that everything works by having the old list send to the new list. Don't panic. I'll announce it when I make the actual cut over. I'll do all of the work; messages will start coming from a different address is all. To smooth the transition what I'll do is close off subscriptions to the old list and port every over. Then I'll delete everyone from the old list and add the address from the new list. That way if people post to the old list, the message will get forwarded to the new list. After a few months I'll kill the old address completely. The new address will be: mendo_recce@fourfold.org But, don't start sending to that address now, cause then only I'll get it. Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 02:20:20 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06405 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 02:20:20 -0500 From: SFmms@aol.com Message-ID: <2f.e53de6.25c69130@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 02:18:08 EST Subject: Re: Series Driving To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Brian Foster wrote: << My question is can a LR serve as a daily driver? >> Yes, I use my '74 SIII around town, as far as Portland and Palo Alto, and about once every two months or so I drive it up to Big Bear for moderate offroading, then back home again. It is used for both for carrying passengers and heavy loads. I have put on about 10,000 miles a year since purchasing it in 1997 with 99,999 original miles on the odometer. It has been completely overhauled though and gets regular oil changes and tuneups. I don't have any reliability data on it yet because all the items that have been replaced were worn or failed and I am effectively starting with new components. The main advantage of the SIII is it's simplicity allowing for maintenance at home or by local mechanics without requiring specialized tools such as diagnostic computers. The main disadvantage in traffic and with heavy loads IMHO is the marginal brakes (you just have to be extra careful). Karen Sindir '74 SIII 88 Red Rufy '95 Disco EFE From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 09:30:22 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06763 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 09:30:22 -0500 Message-ID: <38959B10.595E24D0@thelen.org> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 06:24:16 -0800 From: "Christopher H. Dow" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com Subject: Re: List Admin Note References: <200001310645.BAA01202@blacker.gdbg.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Benjamin Allan Smith wrote: 8< > The new address will be: mendo_recce@fourfold.org 8< I noticed that www.fourfold.org/RowerWeb works. Is that the new home of the Rover Web? C From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 10:49:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06901 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 10:49:08 -0500 Message-ID: <3895AD4D.93E9C9F1@thelen.org> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 07:42:05 -0800 From: "Christopher H. Dow" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@off-road.com Subject: 110 FS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org (No, not mine! Heh heh. Bet that got your attention!). > 1990,2.5 diesel,LHD,soft/hard-top,ex.MOD,military green,all panels > straight,totally rebuilt,the coolest looking truck in the > USA!Registered in Maine,currently in > Texas.$30,000.contact...aalro@hotmail.com Here's the deal: There's this guy named James Spence. He basically tries to spend his whole life traveling around the world, which means he has to be pretty crafty about getting money, since he rarely has a full-time job. He lives very cheaply (out of a Land Rover) does odd work here and there, and tries things (like importing Rovers that are hard to find in the US) to get a little more money every once in a while. Somehow he has gotten this beast into the US and wants to sell it. I'm sure all the usual import caveats apply, so be sure you know what you're doing before buying. However, there are a few vehicles around that are no more risky to own than this one, so I figured I'd let the list know about it. California emissions will require some Very Creative Thinking(tm), too. Oh, yeah, I'm just doing this for James, and will recieve nothing one way or the other if the truck sells or not. In fact I don't really care--so there! C From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 11:20:23 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07007 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 11:20:23 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01bf6c06$a17b9e20$7500000a@kpk01> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: New BMW 4x4 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 08:16:44 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I just got a fancy invitation in the mail from Sunset Magazine inviting me to be part of a select group at an evening reception to view the new BMW X5, enjoy menu selections from Sunset's kitchen, receive a free gift and get a chance to receive a weekend get-away. The reception is at Peter Pan BMW in San Mateo on Monday Feb. 7th from 5 30 to 7 30. I can't make it, but they should let anyone in who calls the RSVP number of 1 800 646 5359 to get on the list in. Word is that the new BMW X5 will have a lot more in common with the future Land Rovers than what we are driving. Kevin Kelly From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 11:30:42 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07035 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 11:30:42 -0500 Message-ID: <06DEF5772893D311AAF40000F804F44C3F759A@rcexs.cobe.com> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com'" Subject: RE: water heaters Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 09:20:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Clarke, I'd REALLY like a diesel fired heater in the 109. But I've yet to find a way around the things costing $1000 apiece! Resourceful chap that you are, do you have any suggestions? Oh yes, and how do the kW ratings on the webasto site compare to real world toastiness? What's a typical (non LR) car putting out of it's heater ducts on high blower with the engine at designed operating temp? -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 11:32:47 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07055 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 11:32:47 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000131081809.006c18d8@shell14.ba.best.com> X-Sender: daniel5@shell14.ba.best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 08:18:11 -0800 To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com From: Daniel Oppenheim Subject: Re: New BMW 4x4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org sold out. no more spaces... d At 08:16 AM 01/31/2000 -0800, you wrote: >I just got a fancy invitation in the mail from Sunset Magazine inviting >me to be part of a select group at an evening reception to view the new >BMW X5, enjoy menu selections from Sunset's kitchen, receive a free gift >and get a chance to receive a weekend get-away. > >The reception is at Peter Pan BMW in San Mateo on Monday Feb. 7th from 5 >30 to 7 30. I can't make it, but they should let anyone in who calls >the RSVP number of 1 800 646 5359 to get on the list in. Word is that >the new BMW X5 will have a lot more in common with the future Land >Rovers than what we are driving. > >Kevin Kelly > > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 12:12:44 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07228 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 12:12:44 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000131090602.00818bb0@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 09:06:02 -0800 To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com From: Granville Pool Subject: BP Special--it may be too late In-Reply-To: <001701bf6bae$4a9f5220$2f28c0d8@BlairPC> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I just found this this morning and it was Friday's special (must have been posted mighty late in the day): Friday, 28 January 2000 Just Acquired: New Old Stock Late Series IIA/III Side Marker Light Assemblies Here's something that hasn't been available for many years despite high demand. All US models built after 1968 used these on the sides of the front and rear fenders. Ambers go up front, and reds to the rear. They have a light in the square lens, and a reflector in the rectangular one. If you are doing a restoration, or just want your truck to look 'proper,' chances are you need these. The rubber bases dry out and get hard, then the bezel gets lost, then the lenses. We haven't been able to get new ones in many years, and folks have been making do with used pieces or swapping the lights to something else. They are still out of production, but we found a local vintage sports car source that had a quantity stashed in a dark recess of a storage area. Needless to say, we bought them all, but the quantity is definitely limited! They are brand new, most in their original boxes, and come as complete assemblies, with bulbs and wiring! The rubber is soft and compliant, and many still have the mold release protecting them. We were shocked to find them, and we may never see another batch. This could be your last opportunity to buy a fresh, new set to top off your restoration. First come, first served, and only four per customer please, to give everyone a fair chance at them. We don't have equal numbers of amber and red either, so if you need a full set, call in right now! $65 each (No additional discounts apply to this item) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 12:38:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07332 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 12:38:00 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.20000131090701.03aea920@mail.halcyon.com> X-Sender: clarkebw@mail.halcyon.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 09:32:44 -0800 To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com From: Clarke Williams Subject: RE: water heaters In-Reply-To: <06DEF5772893D311AAF40000F804F44C3F759A@rcexs.cobe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 09:20 AM 1/31/00 -0700, you wrote: >Clarke, > >I'd REALLY like a diesel fired heater in the 109. But I've yet to find a >way around the things costing $1000 apiece! Resourceful chap that you are, >do you have any suggestions? > >Oh yes, and how do the kW ratings on the webasto site compare to real world >toastiness? What's a typical (non LR) car putting out of it's heater ducts >on high blower with the engine at designed operating temp? > >-Dave G. The Webasto unit that I have used was the 3.5 or 5kw (don't know for sure). Plenty warm. Even at -40 both engine and cabin stays very nice. Their thermostats are "optional" but I wouldn't have one without at least the mechanical thermostat. They also have an optional timer that you can set for time on/off, duration, etc. BTW, big Class 5 trucks use the Thermo 90s to heat their cabs and sleepers. It puts out 7.6kw max. That's enough heat for a full sleeper in frigid temps with engine off. The small Airtop 5000 would fit nicely in the seatbox or maybe under a rear seat in a 5-door. Unfortunately they aren't inexpensive. I doubt if the 2.25L ever puts out even 1kw, assuming all is in correct working order. Lousy heaters when at their best. Clarke Williams From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 13:03:34 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07413 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 13:03:34 -0500 Message-ID: <006901bf6c14$c5e491a0$6136cbcc@johnbenh> From: "John R. Benham" To: References: <06DEF5772893D311AAF40000F804F44C3F759A@rcexs.cobe.com> Subject: Re: water heaters Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 09:58:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Volkswagen vans used to have petro fired heaters. Check out a Volkswagen junk yard to see if they have any used ones lying around. Espar I think was the brand. Also check out used sailboat supply houses for same. I use a Swedish model on our sailboat in Puget Sound. Bought it new and they weren't cheap... Later, John B. Spokane > Clarke, > > I'd REALLY like a diesel fired heater in the 109. But I've yet to find a > way around the things costing $1000 apiece! Resourceful chap that you are, > do you have any suggestions? > > Oh yes, and how do the kW ratings on the webasto site compare to real world > toastiness? What's a typical (non LR) car putting out of it's heater ducts > on high blower with the engine at designed operating temp? > > -Dave G. > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 13:10:26 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07442 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 13:10:26 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000131100040.008dd5c0@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 10:00:40 -0800 To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: BP Special--it may be too late In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000131090602.00818bb0@pacific.net> References: <001701bf6bae$4a9f5220$2f28c0d8@BlairPC> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 09:06 AM 1/31/2000 -0800, you wrote: >I just found this this morning and it was Friday's special (must >have been posted mighty late in the day): > >Friday, 28 January 2000 > >Just Acquired: New Old Stock >Late Series IIA/III >Side Marker Light Assemblies > >Here's something that hasn't been available for many years despite >high demand. All US models built after 1968 used these on the sides >of the front and rear fenders. Hi, Except that the ones with lights started in 70. The 69's had reflectors of the same colors but flatter and no hole in the wing for the light and wire. Bob B Ambers go up front, and reds to the >rear. They have a light in the square lens, and a reflector in the >rectangular one. If you are doing a restoration, or just want your >truck to look 'proper,' chances are you need these. The rubber >bases dry out and get hard, then the bezel gets lost, then the >lenses. We haven't been able to get new ones in many years, and >folks have been making do with used pieces or swapping the lights >to something else. > >They are still out of production, but we found a local vintage >sports car source that had a quantity stashed in a dark recess of >a storage area. Needless to say, we bought them all, but the >quantity is definitely limited! They are brand new, most in their >original boxes, and come as complete assemblies, with bulbs and >wiring! The rubber is soft and compliant, and many still have the >mold release protecting them. We were shocked to find them, and >we may never see another batch. This could be your last >opportunity to buy a fresh, new set to top off your restoration. >First come, first served, and only four per customer please, to >give everyone a fair chance at them. We don't have equal numbers >of amber and red either, so if you need a full set, call in right >now! > >$65 each (No additional discounts apply to this item) > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 13:23:39 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07499 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 13:23:39 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000131101937.0081bb40@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 10:19:37 -0800 To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com From: Granville Pool Subject: Re: Trail 01/Lovelady/M5 In-Reply-To: <001701bf6bae$4a9f5220$2f28c0d8@BlairPC> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Blair, >Last week you and others were talking about these trails. I looked at two >Stoneyford RD OHV maps (1994 and 1997 vintages). The latter one shows 16N06 >(southeast of where OHV Trail 01 splits towards Lovelady) as the M5 towards >Indian Valley. The earlier version shows just an "unimproved road" instead >of the M5 designation. Yes, it's a confusing situation. I plan to ask USFS at Willows for clarification. >Just west of there is the 16N44 (or is it 16N07) that I had hoped to hook up >with in the ill-fated (roll-over Rover) but fun-loving (river crossings and >futile chain sawing) group I led up to Mendo last year, attempting the route >via Hough Springs. I think you tried the same route with no luck (turned >back at the washout by what looked like miles of post-burn blow down across >the road) too. We were both pretty close to the M5 (I think) and hence >Cedar Camp. Would be fun to connect that some time. Yes, it would and I plan to do just that in April. Not on my way in, however. Exploring some of these trails is what I plan to do on the Saturday, when I have no place special to go. If enough LBs are interested in doing it, we might split up and try all the routes and then compare notes. There are some other trails around those areas that are of interest to me as well. I sort of plan to take one of those routes from Lovelady Ridge to Spanish Ridge and then to Bartlett Springs Road at the reservoir, possibly returning by another branch (supposedly there are two). There's another trail that takes off north from BS Rd right about where Walker Ridge Road comes in. I've always been curious to check that one out as well. It might dead-end into some private lands. >Maybe the route the motorcyclist told you is the way. But aren't the >M-roads usually pretty developed i.e. graded? I never saw where such a road >came down to join Indian Valley Reservoir last year. But the road with the >washout/blow down was perfectly graded-- could that have been the M5, and >those downed trees what the motorcyclist was talking about? No. The motorcyclist was talking about one big tree across the trail near the boat ramp at Indian Valley Reservoir. It was the trail we were on at the time (Indian Ridge area, south of Lovelady Ridge). Yes, the M-roads are supposed to be good ones and, clearly, whichever one of those trails you listed is supposed to be M-5, it's not that good. Where we turned toward Lovelady Ridge the other day, the route that the 1991 map called M-5 was still signed as M-5 at that point. What I suspect is that all the maps are wrong, sort of. I suspect that it's as-signed, in other words, that M-5 just quits at some point and it's just a trail from that point on, leading down to Spanish Creek, etc. Certainly, there's no M-5 sign at the Bartlett Springs Road end. The trail with all the fallen trees last year was sort of an alternative (by Wilson Camp?--I don't have any maps here at work so can't refer to them) to the "M-5" route shown on the USFS 1991 Mendocino Forest map. The actual M-5 route (per 1991 map) is the one that had the massive slide blocking it last year (with a little slip-out that we ran into about half a mile south of the big slide). Ranger Charlie seemed to think that both of these would have been reopened by last summer some time but I didn't check 'em on the recent outing because I didn't have any interest in trying the fords of Spanish Creek and the North Fork of Cache Creek that block the connection to Bartlett Springs Road at Hough Springs. Not this time of year. Not in Ziggy at any rate. Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 13:25:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07542 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 13:25:27 -0500 Message-ID: <000901bf6c08$55885740$0a926fce@baggarly.com> From: "Nick C. Baggarly" To: References: <3895AD4D.93E9C9F1@thelen.org> Subject: Re: 110 FS Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 10:29:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This is funny. I think the Dormobiles traveled with this same vehicle on a ship from England. I saw the 110 parked next to ours at the Newark, NJ termial and recall wondering how they got it into the country. Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher H. Dow To: Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 9:42 AM Subject: 110 FS > (No, not mine! Heh heh. Bet that got your attention!). > > > 1990,2.5 diesel,LHD,soft/hard-top,ex.MOD,military green,all panels > > straight,totally rebuilt,the coolest looking truck in the > > USA!Registered in Maine,currently in > > Texas.$30,000.contact...aalro@hotmail.com > > Here's the deal: There's this guy named James Spence. He basically > tries to spend his whole life traveling around the world, which means he > has to be pretty crafty about getting money, since he rarely has a > full-time job. He lives very cheaply (out of a Land Rover) does odd > work here and there, and tries things (like importing Rovers that are > hard to find in the US) to get a little more money every once in a > while. Somehow he has gotten this beast into the US and wants to sell > it. I'm sure all the usual import caveats apply, so be sure you know > what you're doing before buying. However, there are a few vehicles > around that are no more risky to own than this one, so I figured I'd let > the list know about it. California emissions will require some Very > Creative Thinking(tm), too. > > Oh, yeah, I'm just doing this for James, and will recieve nothing one > way or the other if the truck sells or not. In fact I don't really > care--so there! > > C > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 13:26:23 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07559 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 13:26:23 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000131102333.0082aae0@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 10:23:33 -0800 To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com From: Granville Pool Subject: Re: water heaters In-Reply-To: <006901bf6c14$c5e491a0$6136cbcc@johnbenh> References: <06DEF5772893D311AAF40000F804F44C3F759A@rcexs.cobe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John Benham wrote: >Volkswagen vans used to have petro fired heaters. Check out a Volkswagen >junk yard to see if they have any used ones lying around. Espar I think was >the brand. Also check out used sailboat supply houses for same. There's also the Kenlowe engine (& cab) pre-heater for Land-Rovers. Might be possible to modify one of those to give an outlet for showers. Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 13:44:58 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07577 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 13:44:58 -0500 Date: 31 Jan 2000 10:36:13 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com X-Sender: web79245@dreamlab.cc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: 110 FS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If anyone wants to see a picture of it, I saw this truck in Inuvik last September. I can scan and post to my site if anyone is interested. later, Michael Slade Portland, Oregon www.DreamLab.cc From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 15:20:19 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07831 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 15:20:19 -0500 Message-ID: <20000131193031.17628.qmail@web701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 11:30:31 -0800 (PST) From: KC Subject: Re: Disco 98 major rough running To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rusty: I can't help your Disco's woes, but, with Rovers under warranty (yours), you can call 800-444-3700 for a free tow or other roadside assistance. They won't fix your Rover, but can tow it to a dealer and the dealer should jump at repairing it. They'll also change a flat or give a jump start if needed. Good luck. Share with us what the problema dn solution was. KC Mares '98 Disco --- Rusty Presley wrote: > I've got a 98 Disco that has baffled me. The motor was idling while I > was washing it. Hood closed, no spray on engine. During the wash, it > stopped. I tried cranking it up, but acted like an old distributor'ed > car with moisture in it. After opening the breather cover, I finally got > it to crank and idle only (rough). Tried to accell, but it would > sputter & balk but would go back to idle ok. Check engine light finally > came on several minutes later as I idled in gear to a nearby (very > close) parts shop I trusted to leave it at. I checked al the plug wires, > vacuum leads, etc that I know to check on older vehicles. Naturally, no > one was in on Sat at the Rover service Dept., but did get to speak to > someone who said it was probably the O2 sensor or cat converters. It > breathes and exhausts with good pressure. The only thing I could see out > of the ordinary was if you tried to idle it up, the back of the cats > glowed like molten lava! Any ideas before having it towed to the dealer. > > Thanks for the help > > Rusty Presley > wpresley@acesag.auburn.edu > Auburn, AL 334.844.3504 > > '62 109 Pickup "Sealgair" > '98 Disco..... > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 15:35:10 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07857 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 15:35:10 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000131121740.00810a50@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 12:17:40 -0800 To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com From: Granville Pool Subject: Correction, was Re: Trail 01/Lovelady/M5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In my earlier reply to Blair P's posting, I wrote (in part): >other trails around those areas that are of interest to me as well. >I sort of plan to take one of those routes from Lovelady Ridge to >Spanish Ridge and then to Bartlett Springs Road at the reservoir, I meant in that paragraph to say "Indian Ridge" not "Spanish Ridge." Later in my message I did get it right: >No. The motorcyclist was talking about one big tree across the trail >near the boat ramp at Indian Valley Reservoir. It was the trail we >were on at the time (Indian Ridge area, south of Lovelady Ridge). Sorry 'bout that! I'll further clarify that this trail down Indian Ridge is supposed to reach Bartlett Springs Road at a mythical location called Barkerville (just as the "other" M-5 reaches it at the mythical Hough Springs). I'm going to try to get an e-mail off to Willows tonight for clarification of which route, if either, is supposed to be M-5. Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 15:53:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07873 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 15:53:04 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 12:42:26 -0800 Subject: Re: Mud Run From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, I'm disappointed that I missed the Mud Run *again*. I thought my truck broke on Thursday, but it turned out to be user error (really)... The good news is that those of us with Mantec snorkels will no longer need to pack water for winter events. This is because I discovered an undocumented feature of the device that allows it to collect rain water while you drive. I stumbled onto this functionality without knowing and turned my air filter into a cork, but I'm almost sure that if the filter were removed and a jug were mounted to the drain on the filter canister, that five hours on the road would collect about a quart of water. :^) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 17:12:47 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07949 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 17:12:47 -0500 Message-ID: <389603CB.128CC85F@slip.net> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 13:51:07 -0800 From: Jeremy Bartlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com Subject: Water Plugged Air Filter Re: Mud Run References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jeff Rogers wrote: > I stumbled onto this functionality without knowing and > turned my air filter into a cork, but I'm almost sure that if the filter > were removed and a jug were mounted to the drain on the filter canister, > that five hours on the road would collect about a quart of water. :^) Interesting. I've never had such a problem while running the Mantec. Are you sure the drain is functioning? Jeremy From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 17:36:35 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07982 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 17:36:35 -0500 Message-ID: <38960CCB.CA264C59@ski.org> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 14:29:31 -0800 From: John Brabyn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com Subject: Re: Correction, was Re: Trail 01/Lovelady/M5 References: <3.0.6.32.20000131121740.00810a50@pacific.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This business of the ephemeral M5 sounds like an intriguing challenge to find... Cheers John Granville Pool wrote: > In my earlier reply to Blair P's posting, I wrote (in part): > > >other trails around those areas that are of interest to me as well. > >I sort of plan to take one of those routes from Lovelady Ridge to > >Spanish Ridge and then to Bartlett Springs Road at the reservoir, > > I meant in that paragraph to say "Indian Ridge" not "Spanish Ridge." > Later in my message I did get it right: > > >No. The motorcyclist was talking about one big tree across the trail > >near the boat ramp at Indian Valley Reservoir. It was the trail we > >were on at the time (Indian Ridge area, south of Lovelady Ridge). > > Sorry 'bout that! I'll further clarify that this trail down Indian > Ridge is supposed to reach Bartlett Springs Road at a mythical > location called Barkerville (just as the "other" M-5 reaches it at > the mythical Hough Springs). > > I'm going to try to get an e-mail off to Willows tonight for > clarification of which route, if either, is supposed to be M-5. > > Cheers, > > Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 17:38:17 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07995 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 17:38:17 -0500 From: "Blair Peterson" To: Subject: Re: MNF Trail 30 and Trail 40 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 14:30:36 -0800 Message-ID: <000801bf6c3a$cbf50a40$ae051fd1@BlairPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Frank, Thanks-- I know where Cedar Camp is, and I know several more or less direct routes-- but I'm always looking for more "fun" ways to get there, hence the trail report questions. Cheers. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 22:13:50 -0800 From: "Franklin H. Yap" Subject: Re: MNF Trail 30 and Trail 40 Blair Peterson wrote: > > Since I had the maps out.. > > What is Trail 30 like from Wolf Creek OHV Staging Area to where it joins the > M5 near Salt Ridge (almost to Old Mill Camp)? > > (who thinks it is never too early to start mapping out one's approach to > Cedar Camp and Mendo VI). Have you tried using the topo maps from the site Kelly M posted? You can locate Cedar camp in the find field and go from there. Frank From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 17:47:20 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08012 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 17:47:20 -0500 Message-ID: <38961135.35AF6B55@ski.org> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 14:48:21 -0800 From: John Brabyn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com Subject: Re: Dunlop R/Ts, Hollister hills & NTSB Study References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Good reasoning Rich, and a good dose of reality for us tweakers. Personally I am too lazy to carry out major mods requiring enlargement of wheel arches, gearing changes, power boosts, axle strengthening etc etc -- unless something unlikely happens that results in me having time and money on my hands! I think your philosophy of staying close to stock unless one is willing to tackle the full snowball effect is a good one. The 225/75 seems like an excellent choice for avoiding any other modifications -- it should give about 0.4 inches more clearance than stock and, interestingly if the specs are to be believed, the 225/75R16 Dunlop RT actually gives lower gearing (725 revs/mile) than the stock Michelins (circa 705-715 revs/mile). These figures vary by brand etc but Dunlops generally seem to give more revs/mile for a given size than most other brands. On the 4.0 I am now using 245/75R16s (Cooper CTDs) which don't seem to be causing any side effects or interference with the metalwork, but probably the 225/75 would be fine too. I chose the Coopers partly as an experiment to satisfy my curiosity (since I have already tried and liked the Dunlop RTs), and partly because their tread pattern seems a bit more aggressive while still being quiet on the street. Keep up the good work Rich Cheers John "Rich D. Lee, MD" wrote: > Hi Dave & KC, > > I'm always out there "lurking" on the list. In response to your messages: > > > > >I'm curious, what size of Dunlop RR R/Ts are you running on your Disco? And > >what suspension modifications do you have? Any body trimming? > > > >Thanks for your help, > > > >- -Dave G. > > Dave, > I have gone the "wimpy" route and have 225/75-16 R/Ts (29.5" dia.) > on the truck. I chose this size because I wanted to keep the diameter close > the original tires (29.0" dia.) so I would have the same effective gearing, > the same size as my spare (or my wife's spare) and can also use my same set > of chains. I also wanted the tires to weigh as little as possible (a > left-over fetish from my rally days), because I have to accelerate and > brake them so often on my hilly commute. I was thinking about the > 245/75-16s, but for the above reasons and the fact that I would have to cut > away at my rear fenders (more an issue of time and explaining it to my > wife, than fear of altering the truck), I chose to stick with the OEM size. > Also, the 245/75-16s only provide 1/2" more clearance under the diffs and > have 28.5 lbs more rotating weight, per set, which is equal to carrying 285 > lbs more in the vehicle. The trade-offs were not worth it for me. > The tire does not corner or brake as well on pavement as the OEM > XPCs, but I am willing to compromise for the much-improved off-road > traction. Even for the little off-road I find myself doing these days. > If I were to "go large" on a Disco tire, It would have to be > significantly larger for me to justify and afford what I feel larger tires > should have (e.g. 4.10 gears, HD axles/hubs/C.V.s all-round, 2" lift and > more power). Then I would go for 265/75-16, 235/85-16 or 255/85-16. > The suspension on my 95 Disco is stock springs, with Airlift rear > coil inserts, Bilsteins and swaybars still-attached. My next step is to > complete the "cross-over" tube and valve between the Airlift bags so > compressing one side will enhance the drop on the opposite wheel (off-road > only). After that, I will do swaybar disconnects and a drop kit. I plan to > finish the bash-plating underneath before I consider lifting the truck. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 17:54:31 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08026 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 17:54:31 -0500 Message-ID: <38960B2F.30445B18@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 14:22:39 -0800 From: "Franklin H. Yap" X-Sender: "Franklin H. Yap" <@mail.earthlink.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-FLASHNET (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com Subject: Re: MNF Trail 30 and Trail 40 References: <000801bf6c3a$cbf50a40$ae051fd1@BlairPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Blair Peterson wrote: > >> Thanks-- I know where Cedar Camp is, and I know several more or less direct > routes-- but I'm always looking for more "fun" ways to get there, hence the > trail report questions. > Hi Blair, I figured that was what you were doing. I was only making the suggestion about the website in case you didn't have all the maps handy. The site has the topo maps at various scales. (I was using the Cedar Camp landmark as a quick way to get to the correct top map and then you can navigate back from there.) Anyway, if you have hard copies that'll be better than scrolling and waiting for the screen to reload. Frank From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 18:03:19 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08046 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 18:03:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200001312240.RAA02162@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com Subject: Re: List Admin Note In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 31 Jan 2000 06:24:16 PST." <38959B10.595E24D0@thelen.org> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 14:40:11 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <38959B10.595E24D0@thelen.org>you wrote: > I noticed that www.fourfold.org/RowerWeb works. Is that the new home of > the Rover Web? Ummm, yes. That as worked since 1 Nov 1998. When I moved the FAQ and OVLR sites to that same host (although OVLR is better accessed by www.ovlr.org). I just haven't had the time to clean up all of the links and to remove all of the off-road.com-isms and then kill the RoverWeb site at off-road.com. Everything somes one bit at a time. Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 18:10:50 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08095 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 18:10:50 -0500 From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: M5, Hough Springs Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 15:00:26 -0800 Message-ID: <000d01bf6c3e$f8ecbda0$ae051fd1@BlairPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Granny, This discussion cleared the cobwebs-- after we crossed the river and the creek at the horseshoe bend in BS Rd at Hough Springs, and climbed the ominously unused but very well graded road to find the slipout and downed trees, I now remember seeing the road signed as the M5. So I think you are right, the map is wrong. Seems like it is BLM land surrounding Indian Valley Resvr, so maybe a connection is possible to the "other" M5. Cheers. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 19:08:20 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08147 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 19:08:20 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000131160148.00816bc0@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 16:01:48 -0800 To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com From: Granville Pool Subject: Re: BP Special--it may be too late In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000131090602.00818bb0@pacific.net> References: <001701bf6bae$4a9f5220$2f28c0d8@BlairPC> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I wrote: >I just found this this morning and it was Friday's special (must >have been posted mighty late in the day): It's not too late; it was reissued for Monday. Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 20:38:10 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08310 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:38:10 -0500 Message-ID: <38963699.976CDCA0@wenet.net> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 17:27:53 -0800 From: "Bruce R. Bonar" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com" Subject: 4.7 gear ratio for an 87 RR? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm forwarding to the list for comment: BritishPacific suggested i contact you gentlemen with regard to your experiences with lowering gear ratios in Rovers. I hope this is alright. i am considering swapping out my '87 range rover's stock ring and pinions for the 4.70 ratio. i was hoping to hear the pros and cons from someone who has done this to a Rover before proceeding. BP said that you, or others you know have done this. Any input from you will be both valued and appreciated. i realize off-road performance will definitely be improved, however: 1) is overall drivability improved? (are long steep freeway grades less "anxiety provoking"?) 2)what is the approximate engine speed (rpm) at freeway speeds ( +/- 70 mph)? (or, by how much was cruising rpm affected? does 700 rpm sound about right?) 3)what have you found to be a realistic maximum speed, without over-revving the engine? ( i don't drive at excessive rates of speed with my rover, but i'm curious) 4)would you recommend this modification? thank you very very much for your time in reading this e-mail, and in advance for your consideration in this matter. 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If you would like more information on how to earn $21,844 and more each month, e-mail me at: mailto:jbrsp@yahoo.com?subject=more_info Sincerely, G van der Werff ********************************************************************* Please Remove at: mailto:bnm98@myrealbox.com?subject=remove ********************************************************************* From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 21:08:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08403 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 21:08:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200002010146.RAA13847@scv3.apple.com> Subject: Re: Pay Off Your Debts! Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 17:45:47 -0800 x-sender: peterson@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Bob Peterson To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION WILL HELP YOU GET OUT OF DEBT! >(Removal instructions are at the bottom and will be honored promptly. >Thank you.) Ben, Is the spam filter down during this transition to new list hosting? (or is greater control over spam filters a key reason for the move?) BP ---------------------------------------------------------------------- B O B P E T E R S O N e-Mail: peterson@apple.com Portola Valley, California '95 RED 5-Speed (Now Rare!) Disco "Algernon" (650) 854-7600 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 21:10:33 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08421 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 21:10:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200002010147.RAA01587@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 17:45:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: BP Special--it may be too late X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I wrote: > > >I just found this this morning and it was Friday's special (must > >have been posted mighty late in the day): > > It's not too late; it was reissued for Monday. I can see why it was extended! I like BP and all... but what they been smokin? $65 for a turn signal light???? I'll use D90 parts thanks ( course I'm not doing any concourse restorations ( of a Land Rover anyways ) )! Hopefully a ~92" convertible all wheel drive beast will be ordered very shortly...... It ain't made in England though! Guess what it is? ( relavance, is the wheelbase, I found it interestingly similar, yet drastically dis-similar ) TomW, Ya! > > Cheers, > > > Granny > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 21:14:28 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08439 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 21:14:28 -0500 Message-ID: <06DEF5772893D311AAF40000F804F44C3F75A7@rcexs.cobe.com> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com'" Subject: RE: Dunlop R/Ts, Hollister hills & NTSB Study Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 18:19:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John Brabyn, Thanks for your note on the Cooper CTDs. I'm about to fit OME mediums and bilstein shocks to the Disco and was in a real quandry over tires. I wasn't aware of the Coopers. They look to be closer to the Trac Edge design than the Dunlop RR R/T is. What types of terrain are you using the Coopers on? What is your opinion of their performance? I too want something close to factory size to avoid gearing trouble. But, since the drive train is essentially (with exception of t-case ratio) identical to the D90 one which turns 265-75R16 BFG ATs from the factory, I'm not too worried about over stressing it with a slightly heavier than stock (disco) tire. Since we're deep into opinion land, I'll say, IMHO the 235-85 looks like too much rubber under a disco, to me. I'm beginning to think a 245-75 might be the way for me to go. I'm mainly on-road, but do some central CO type trails, sharp rocks, but not much bouldering. I'd like to be able to do a little early/late season stuff (SNOW). The stock Michelins can't even handle the snow in my driveway @9k ft, much less trails :^). So they must go soon. I was really focussed on the RR R/Ts (have 7.50-16s on the 109) but that Cooper looks like a favorable tread pattern too. I'd like to know what you think of them before I go into comparing rubber compounds and such. Thanks for your help, -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 21:34:51 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08469 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 21:34:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200002010220.SAA16544@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 18:19:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Pay Off Your Debts! X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Damn! I didn't even see this was to the list! I nuke all spam before I eat it! ( err... read it ) TomW > >THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION WILL HELP YOU GET OUT OF DEBT! > >(Removal instructions are at the bottom and will be honored promptly. > >Thank you.) > Ben, > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 21:37:23 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08484 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 21:37:23 -0500 Message-ID: <007901bf6c5a$818cad80$74d2efd1@delllap> From: "Paul Archibald" To: References: <200002010147.RAA01587@proxy2.ba.best.com> Subject: Re: BP Special--it may be too late Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 18:17:28 -0800 Organization: P. A. Design X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org 92" ?? The new Saab convertable for the lovely mrs Walsh for all her patience putting up with your toys? ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Walsh To: Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 5:45 PM Subject: Re: BP Special--it may be too late > > Hopefully a ~92" convertible all wheel drive beast will be ordered > very shortly...... > > > > It ain't made in England though! > > Guess what it is? > > ( relavance, is the wheelbase, I found it interestingly similar, yet > drastically dis-similar ) > > TomW, Ya! > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Granny > > > > > *---------*---------* > "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers > "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" > tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 22:16:26 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08529 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 22:16:26 -0500 Message-ID: <030e01bf6c51$acba3b20$0a926fce@baggarly.com> From: "Nick C. Baggarly" To: References: <200002010220.SAA16544@proxy2.ba.best.com> Subject: Re: Pay Off Your Debts! Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 19:14:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I received that same spamessage this afternoon. They're wise to target us heavily leveraged Land Rover owners. Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Walsh To: Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 8:19 PM Subject: Re: Pay Off Your Debts! > Damn! I didn't even see this was to the list! > I nuke all spam before I eat it! ( err... read it ) > > TomW > > >THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION WILL HELP YOU GET OUT OF DEBT! > > >(Removal instructions are at the bottom and will be honored promptly. > > >Thank you.) > > Ben, > > > *---------*---------* > "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers > "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" > tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 22:20:47 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08543 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 22:20:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200002010246.SAA12030@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 18:45:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: BP Special--it may be too late X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > 92" ?? > The new Saab convertable for the lovely mrs Walsh for all her patience > putting up with your toys? ;-) > Nope! She's about to order an X5 and trade in the Saab, however.. I must admit the X5 has its roots in a performance sedan! ( although The F350 will still beat it up the hill no problemt, as it is, it runs over M clasess with ease ( surely I jest.... NOPE torque rules! Done it numerous times, they were going all out also!!!! M3 and an M5 ) ! Ya Just gotta let off the pedal round some those corners to avoid lighting up the tires :) ( and don't do it when its wet!!!! ) This 92" will beat the F350 if driven propely! TomW, over boosted, chipped, breathing easier and makin smoke goin up, Jake Brakin going down! PowerSmoke Rules! :) *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 22:34:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08564 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 22:34:27 -0500 Message-ID: <009301bf6c64$1ea32140$74d2efd1@delllap> From: "Paul Archibald" To: References: <200002010246.SAA12030@proxy2.ba.best.com> Subject: Re: BP Special--it may be too late Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 19:26:21 -0800 Organization: P. A. Design X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org X5????? Que es? ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Walsh To: Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 6:45 PM Subject: Re: BP Special--it may be too late > > > 92" ?? > > The new Saab convertable for the lovely mrs Walsh for all her patience > > putting up with your toys? ;-) > > > Nope! She's about to order an X5 and trade in the Saab, however.. I > must admit the X5 has its roots in a performance sedan! ( although The F350 > will still beat it up the hill no problemt, as it is, it runs over M > clasess with ease ( surely I jest.... NOPE torque rules! Done it > numerous times, they were going all out also!!!! M3 and an M5 ) ! Ya Just gotta let off > the pedal round some those corners to avoid lighting up the tires :) > ( and don't do it when its wet!!!! ) > > This 92" will beat the F350 if driven propely! > TomW, over boosted, chipped, breathing easier and makin smoke goin > up, Jake Brakin going down! PowerSmoke Rules! :) > *---------*---------* > "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers > "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" > tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 23:02:42 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08639 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 23:02:42 -0500 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <009301bf6c64$1ea32140$74d2efd1@delllap> References: <200002010246.SAA12030@proxy2.ba.best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 19:55:36 -0800 To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com From: Russ Wilson Subject: Re: BP Special--it may be too late Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >X5????? > >Que es? BMW X5. Bigger than a Freelander and smaller than a Disco...... looks like a Freelander with an attitude. Russ and Leslie Wilson "Expertise was best defined in terms not of what the expert already knew, but of how easily the expert could find things out." - Nathaniel Borenstein From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 23:30:59 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08679 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 23:30:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200002010426.XAA02898@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com Subject: Re: BP Special--it may be too late In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 31 Jan 2000 17:45:54 PST." <200002010147.RAA01587@proxy2.ba.best.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:26:03 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200002010147.RAA01587@proxy2.ba.best.com>you wrote: > I like BP and all... but what they been smokin? > > $65 for a turn signal light???? I'll use D90 parts thanks ( course > I'm not doing any concourse restorations ( of a Land Rover anyways ) It's not a turn signal light. They are the running lights and reflectors that are in the upper side corner of the wings and rear quarter panel. Like the add said, this was an item for the US market only and are no longer available. Most likely only people doing full restorations will be interested and the price probably reflects the cost that it took for them to get the parts. Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 23:38:03 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08700 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 23:38:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200002010429.XAA02923@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com Subject: Re: Pay Off Your Debts! In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 31 Jan 2000 17:45:47 PST." <200002010146.RAA13847@scv3.apple.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:29:11 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200002010146.RAA13847@scv3.apple.com>you wrote: > >THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION WILL HELP YOU GET OUT OF DEBT! > >(Removal instructions are at the bottom and will be honored promptly. > >Thank you.) > Is the spam filter down during this transition to new list hosting? Acutally we've never had a spam filter. In 5+ years of the list only 4 or 5 spams have gotten through. Usually there is more bandwidth used by people discussing the spam, then the spam itself. > (or is greater control over spam filters a key reason for the move?) The key reason is that lists are easier to control when you have full access. The off-road.com folks have been removing my access bit by bit. Recently they killed my access to the host where the RoverWeb is/was. Ben -- Benjamin Smith Land Rover '72 SIII 88", '94 Discovery 5-Spd bens@gdbg.org '73 RHD & '76 LHD 101 Forward Controls "..If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entries from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. He'd drive it up the Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..." --Kevin Archie From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 23:53:31 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08735 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 23:53:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200002010447.UAA03035@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:46:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: BP Special--it may be too late X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It actually drives like a regualr BMW coupe ( I've been hot footed in one ) It a pretty nice vehicle if you don't want a full on sport ute and want/need all wheel drive and performance. It handle better than the Saab she has, and its quicker ta-boot! (and safer ) TomW > >X5????? > > > >Que es? > > BMW X5. Bigger than a Freelander and smaller than a Disco...... looks > like a Freelander with an attitude. > > Russ and Leslie Wilson > > "Expertise was best defined in terms not of what the expert already knew, > but of how easily the expert could find things out." > - Nathaniel Borenstein > > > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 23:53:41 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08745 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 23:53:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200002010447.UAA03047@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:46:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: BP Special--it may be too late X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > I like BP and all... but what they been smokin? > > > > $65 for a turn signal light???? I'll use D90 parts thanks ( course > > I'm not doing any concourse restorations ( of a Land Rover anyways ) > > It's not a turn signal light. I know what they are, its clearly stated, and if theres any doubt the pictures lays it to rest ! There still in essence a signal light of some type ( light assembly, running lights, aux fog light bulb, call it what ya want! Its a little plastic light! ) Since I'm not doing a full resto.. As I stated, then they're to much for my liking! My reference to "I'm not doing any concourse restorations" would mean if I was... then I guess I'd have no choice. Have we said completely different things. or mostly the same things? TomW > They are the running lights and > reflectors that are in the upper side corner of the wings and rear quarter > panel. Like the add said, this was an item for the US market only and are > no longer available. Most likely only people doing full restorations will > be interested and the price probably reflects the cost that it took for them > to get the parts. > > Ben > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Jan 31 23:55:45 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08755 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 23:55:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200002010451.UAA06891@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:50:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: BP Special--it may be too late X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > BMW X5. Bigger than a Freelander and smaller than a Disco Actually its a tad bigger than a new Rangie, yet not as tall. TomW *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com