From bens Mon Nov 1 00:34:33 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA15YXVY030992 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 00:34:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA15YXJm030991 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 00:34:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 00:34:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200411010534.iA15YWIO030987@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Hope Peter" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Stage I Found Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org He set up right in front of Potters tent. Ate the rubber from the wiper blades first. Then got a little stove, pot with engine oil in it and started heating up parts. Hawkeye ended up having to either pump his stomache or operate. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: charles irvin Date: Sunday, October 31, 2004 7:24 pm Subject: Re: Stage I Found > > Boy! All the years I watched that show, and I missed one! > > I do remember the one in which he was gonna set himself ablaze. > > :) > > Charles > [ 19 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Nov 1 00:55:29 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA15tTVY032274 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 00:55:29 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA15tT1u032273 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 00:55:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 00:55:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200411010555.iA15tS9J032269@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Aidan McLeer" To: Subject: Re: Range Rover Fuel Tank recall Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It will probably be a few months before that one becomes active as Rover has not produced those tanks in a few years, and needs to build up supplies..... Later Aidan Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail, Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying "Dude, that was awesome " http://community.webshots.com/user/auditech ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 8:07 PM Subject: Range Rover Fuel Tank recall > > NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number : 04V203000 > > 1993-1995 RR Classics, > 1994-1997 Discos > > Land Rover Campaign Number B156. > > I havn't yet been notified, but it says they will replacing the tanks. [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Nov 1 01:13:58 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA16DwVY000428 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 01:13:58 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA16DwTn000427 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 01:13:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 01:13:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200411010613.iA16DviO000423@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Hope Peter" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: sell or upgrade Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I just love this topic. I had a great experiance with my 2.25 upgrades, but it just wasn't enough for me. I didn't use a Turner head, I think its ACR, but I can't remember the name at the moment. Anyway ACR(?) makes a complete package for the 2.25. I used their cam, head, webber 2bbl, pierce intake, and headers and had a great power bump up. Lots of steep hills in the Cascades and the increase just wasn't enough. My 88 was pushing 5000 pounds however. If you dont want to improve the 2.25 itself I would think the easiest conversion would to be to drop in either a 300tdi or a rover v-8. Either option I would do a complete engine/transmission/t-case not try and mate the new engine to the series bits. This is just for ease and reliability. After that the options are only limited by your pockets. I personally feel that a small block chevy engine, chevy transmission, chevy t-case and then use a double cv type rear drive shaft to account for the compoun angles would be the easiest way to go for a 109. I say this because I feel that the SBC is one of the least expensive engines to work on if you want to hop it up. You can get a 305 brand new in the box for 1300 or a 350 HO for 1600 delivered. Tons of options for intake from a mild edelbrock with a carb to a full on multi port EFI from Holley. Either way the systems are designed for the average shade tree mechanic to install in their garage. The other reason I say to go GM is there are tons of conversions for other vehicles. its the most common plant to drop in a rig. While there isnt support for the Rover like these other rigs, the issues are the same. See how someone stuck a SBC into a Willys flat fender or a old FJ-40. They encountered the same issues you would have with the Rover. Well thats my .02 Best of luck. Oh yeah the hardest part is deciding what to do and then mapping out your course of action. Soon as you have it all mapped out the execution is much easier. Pete From bens Mon Nov 1 09:30:53 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA1EUrVY020401 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 09:30:53 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA1EUq0V020400 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 09:30:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 09:30:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200411011430.iA1EUqcS020396@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Bob and Sue B To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: sell or upgrade Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Joe, How's the brakes? How's the steering? Is your truck currently a 4 or 6cyl? Bob B At 12:01 PM 10/31/2004 -0500, you wrote: >I am having a hard time deciding what to do regarding >pokey the ugly rover. The cold in the winter and heat >in the summer are not a problem for me but I really >need to think seriously about being the slowest >vehicle out there. It is either sell the rover and >get something boring and more realistic or look into >an engine upgrade. Any views or ideas are greatly >appreciated. > [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Nov 1 09:32:58 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA1EWwVY020417 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 09:32:58 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA1EWwaH020416 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 09:32:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 09:32:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200411011432.iA1EWvul020412@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: sell or upgrade Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org To paraphrase Charles: First question you need to ask is what do you want the vehicle to be capable of? In my case, I wanted: - to be able to go the speed limit on the interstate in the hills - Enough power to safely inter a freeway in heavy traffic - As good or better fuel milage than the 2.25L - to be able to climb those steep trail sections that brought the 2.25L engine to a halt - Increased reliability - easy to obtain parts that are not overly expensive Take your wants to make specifications. In my case I decided 140 HP minimum with lots of low end torque, a stronger rear axle assembly, stronger gearbox, a low range first gear no higher than 54:1 and a high range fourth gear that will allow the engine to turn no faster than 3000 RPM in top gear high range. I wanted the vehicle exterior and interior to appear the same, realizing that bulkhead & tunnel modifications would need to be made. Second question you need to ask is how much of the project can you do and how much do you need to farm out? In my case I delivered Timm a Rover with the engine & gearbox removed, front clip off, front floors & seat box off, a whole lot of cleaning/degreasing done and a ready to install freshly rebuilt engine. Timm installed the engine, gearbox, power steering, modified the bulkhead, & floors. I did all the hydraulic replumbing, all the electrical stuff, replaced the seat box and the front clip. I saved gobs of money by doing the parts cleaning,the unbolting and bolting on of body parts the hydraulics & electrical stuff. Timm is a master at fabrication and very good welder. My money went to stuff I'm not an expert in and my labour into stuff I was good at. > Third question you need to ask - how much money have 'ya got? Once you know what specs you want to end up with and how much you can do yourself you gotta look at your budget. I really wanted a diesel for increased fuel milage. Any diesel would need to have parts readily available in the US, be free rev'ing, produce at least 140 HP and not be too heavy or to big for the Rover. My choices boiled down to just a few engines, the most promising of which were the Mercedes 300TD and GM 6.2. The #2 group was the Nissan LD28 (early 80's Maxima option) and the SD300T from a 1980 Scout, both would require the power to be upped. I did not know about the Cummins AT6 at that time (Nor did Timm). Each engine had it's fit issues and each was expensive to purchase and VERY expensive to rebuild. I freshly rebuild diesel engine alone was going to cost me close to what the entire costs of my conversion project ended up being. Any way I ran the numbers for conversion costs, fuel cost savings, time between overhauls and overhaul costs there was no way I would ever make up the increased engine purchase/rebuild costs by fuel cost savings in between rebuilds. A fresh diesel conversion was going to almost triple my out the door conversion costs. This was calculated at 1997 prices and availability. What I lacked was a free reving diesel, that produced 140HP or more, that would fit handily into a series engine bay and not overload the suspension and cost no more than twice the cost of a comparable petrol engine to purchase and to rebuild. I gave up the diesel as being initially price prohibitive for a fresh engine and for total operating costs over the long haul. I ended up with a 1970 Ford 302 set up for economy & regular fuel, borg warner T-18 gearbox with granny low, series transfer case with Ashcroft high ratio kit and Salisbury rear. Around 200 HP, 15-16 MPG on the highway, cheap parts on the shelf at every auto parts store, and a very robust gearbox that has all but one part readily available at every transmission shop in North America. Overall low range first gear ratio 70:1, high range first gear ratio is very close to stock series 2nd gear low range. With 33.4 inch dia tyres the engine turns 2700ish at 65 MPH and about 3000 RPM at 75 MPH. If money were no object, over the last couple years I would have gone with a turbo Cummins AT6 and 4500NV five speed gearbox or the 6 cyl version of the Mercedes 300DT engine & unknown gearbox. I still would stay away from any engine that would require me to import parts. If money were no object and I was planning a project right now I sure would like to learn more about the V6 diesels expected for the Jeep Liberty and future Land Rovers. But looking at the bottom line costs over the long haul I've concluded that in the States you can not beat a real common American petrol engine unless you are brewing biodiesel all the time. T.J. Wakeman Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance. From bens Mon Nov 1 09:52:43 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA1EqhVY021195 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 09:52:43 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA1EqhWI021194 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 09:52:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 09:52:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200411011452.iA1Eqgeq021190@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: correction Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > and a high > range fourth gear that will allow the engine to turn no faster than > 3000 RPM in top gear high range. Should be turn no faster than 3000 RPM at 65 MPH T. J. Wakeman 1960 Land Rover 109 Dormobile owned since 1978 1961 Triumph TR3A owned since 1986, the new car From bens Mon Nov 1 12:53:08 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA1Hr8VY028408 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:53:08 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA1Hr8hG028407 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:53:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:53:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200411011753.iA1Hr8g8028403@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: sell or upgrade Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Excellent comments by Terriann, as usual. Well, there is also the Robert Davis 4 cyl - 3.0L GM Crossflow option. The main advantages are that you use the same radiator, motor mounts and drive train. It is a 1 day swap, two if you drink beer. It is already broken in. He claims around 175 H.P. and torque. I think that is off an engine dyno, not the rear wheels. Regardless, you can actually go over Donner Pass at a good speed and not worry about 18 wheelers breathing down your neck. They are or were around $4k - $4.5K . You will need an Ashcroft transfer case or a Roverdrive O.D. I went with the Ashcroft. I have one of his last Mark 1 versions. Head from a '78 Chevy Monza on a 3.0 Mercruiser/GM block. Non-crossflow. I bought most of the parts from Robert, and bought the 3.0L block here. It's not perfect...now I know why there are no 4cyl, 3.0L in cars out there. That I know of anyway. Can you say buzzzzy? Too much rotating mass in a 4 cyl. configuration, at least without balance shafts. Maybe Roberts latest iteration is better, as he uses a new GM 2.5 block and bores it. He also uses a different cam than the one I have. So comparing the engine I have to his current one maybe like comparing a Series I to a Series III. From bens Mon Nov 1 13:20:59 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA1IKxVY029617 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 13:20:59 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA1IKxbb029616 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 13:20:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 13:20:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200411011820.iA1IKxvc029612@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Diesel versus gas (was Re: sell or upgrade Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/enriched; ] [ 49 lines filtered. ] --Apple-Mail-59-767080970 charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed TeriAnn, What you say about "unless you are brewing biodiesel all the time" suggests that you recognize that fuel prices will continue to increase, with the result that at some point, having little or no fuel costs will offset the cost of a diesel transplant. Homebrew biodiesel costs about 40 cents a gallon to produce, but the kits that I sell and Shane installs for me allow the use of free restaurant fryer oil, which requires no processing other than an inline filter on a 12V diesel transfer pump. Depending on the price of gas or diesel and how much you drive, the cost of a diesel transplant can be amortized fairly quickly if your fuel is free. Craig Reece Neoteric Biofuels http://www.biofuels.ca Fax 510-841-4842 On Nov 1, 2004, at 6:32 AM, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > If money were no object and I was planning a project right now I sure > would like to learn more about the V6 diesels expected for the Jeep > Liberty and future Land Rovers. But looking at the bottom line costs > over the long haul I've concluded that in the States you can not beat > a real common American petrol engine unless you are brewing biodiesel > all the time. > > --Apple-Mail-59-767080970 From bens Mon Nov 1 14:04:46 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA1J4kVY031234 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:04:46 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA1J4kl9031233 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:04:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:04:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200411011904.iA1J4k7J031229@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Diesel versus gas (was Re: sell or upgrade Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org You should get lots of business from Jeep Liberty deisel owners and the Ford diesel version of the Freelander, when those come out. >>> craigreece@earthlink.net 11/01/04 10:20AM >>> [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/enriched; ] [ 49 lines filtered. ] --Apple-Mail-59-767080970 charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed TeriAnn, What you say about "unless you are brewing biodiesel all the time" suggests that you recognize that fuel prices will continue to increase, with the result that at some point, having little or no fuel costs will offset the cost of a diesel transplant. Homebrew biodiesel costs about 40 cents a gallon to produce, but the kits that I sell and Shane installs for me allow the use of free restaurant fryer oil, which requires no processing other than an inline filter on a 12V diesel transfer pump. Depending on the price of gas or diesel and how much you drive, the cost of a diesel transplant can be amortized fairly quickly if your fuel is free. Craig Reece Neoteric Biofuels http://www.biofuels.ca Fax 510-841-4842 On Nov 1, 2004, at 6:32 AM, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > If money were no object and I was planning a project right now I sure > would like to learn more about the V6 diesels expected for the Jeep > Liberty and future Land Rovers. But looking at the bottom line costs > over the long haul I've concluded that in the States you can not beat > a real common American petrol engine unless you are brewing biodiesel > all the time. > > --Apple-Mail-59-767080970 From bens Mon Nov 1 14:15:37 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA1JFbVY031844 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:15:37 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA1JFbKt031843 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:15:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:15:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200411011915.iA1JFaQ3031839@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Diesel versus gas (was Re: sell or upgrade Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/enriched; ] [ 109 lines filtered. ] --Apple-Mail-62-770361225 charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Ooh, I missed that the Freelander was going to be available in a diesel. And it's actually the folks with the big trucks - Dodge Cummins, Powerstrokes, etc. that are coming to us, more and more, for conversions - high fuel prices are eating them up. Craig On Nov 1, 2004, at 11:04 AM, Eric Johnson wrote: > > You should get lots of business from Jeep Liberty deisel owners and the > Ford diesel version of the Freelander, when those come out. > > > TeriAnn, > > What you say about "unless you are brewing biodiesel all the time" > suggests that you recognize that fuel prices will continue to increase, [ 38 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Craig Reece Neoteric Biofuels http://www.biofuels.ca Fax 510-841-4842 --Apple-Mail-62-770361225 From bens Mon Nov 1 14:25:30 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA1JPUVY032261 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:25:30 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA1JPUZG032260 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:25:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:25:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200411011925.iA1JPTqH032256@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Diesel versus gas (was Re: sell or upgrade Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Monday, November 1, 2004, at 10:20 AM, craig reece wrote: > What you say about "unless you are brewing biodiesel all the time" Basically I'm agreeing with. Considering the relative tax structures on gas and diesel there is not much of a savings from increased milage over time using commercial diesel. There is no way one can justify the high cost of a new or rebuilt diesel engine in the US for economy purposes UNLESS you run mostly biodiesel. > but the kits that I sell and Shane installs for me allow the use of > free restaurant fryer oil Which if available in 1997, when I was making my purchase decisions, would have made diesel a lot more viable to me. I'm just not sure what the reaction would be if I pulled into McDonalds in Moab and asked for 40 gallons of used french fry oil. The biodiesel solution seems perfect near home when you develop a relationship with your local restaurant, but I suspect it is not going to go over well at a truck stop restaurant while you are on a trip. Do you have any insight obtaining used cooking oil when traveling???? T. J. Wakeman twakeman@cruzers.com http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Mon Nov 1 14:35:45 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA1JZjVY032669 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:35:45 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA1JZjj4032668 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:35:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:35:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200411011935.iA1JZjb2032664@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Diesel versus gas (was Re: sell or upgrade Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was very pleased to break the 20 mpg barrier on our DuraMax pick up on the last tank. Finally getting broken in I guess. Some around town driving, a trip to San Jose and one to Fairfield averaging exactly 20 mpg using 25 gallons of No.2. Gotta love that diesel. :-) Of course fuel prices continue to rise. :-( Bruce Bonar (who's best fuel mileage vehicle is a 3/4 ton HD 4wd pick up) craig reece wrote: > And it's actually the folks with the big trucks - Dodge Cummins, > Powerstrokes, etc. that are coming to us, more and more, for > conversions - high fuel prices are eating them up. From bens Mon Nov 1 15:27:05 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA1KR5VY002253 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 15:27:05 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA1KR5br002252 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 15:27:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 15:27:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200411012027.iA1KR56p002248@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 88 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org kminnick wrote: > Hey Bruce - you don't 4wd Spot anymore? Take care, Hey Kelly, Oh, we still get out once and awhile, just not as much as we used to or would like to. It seems the older I get the more responsibilities at work and other demands and distractions there are. Goes back to TeriAnne's and Tom's comments earlier about trying to limit those regrets about things we didn't do as opposed to those we did. Must be time to re-evaluate priorities. It's good to see you back on the list, or at least talking, we missed you. Bruce In the immortal words of Spinal Tap keyboardist Viv Savage "Have a good time, all the time." From bens Mon Nov 1 16:45:10 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA1LjAVY005461 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:45:10 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA1LjA0o005460 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:45:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:45:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200411012145.iA1LjA81005456@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "SBC YAHOO!" To: "Mendo_Recce" Subject: Got the 04, saw the LR3, 95 D1 anyone? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yipee, got the 04 late yesterday, saw the LR3, interesting vehicle, no test drive though. If anyone's interested there's a 95 red D1 for sale at Ed's Fine Cars in Fairfield, corner of Bell & N. Texas. It's been sitting there for at least 4 months, my son moved into that area in July. Maybe the dealer would take a low ball price for cash flow purposes? At least when the salesman shows you the sticker that says "low mileage" you can reply "it's because it's been sitting there for at least 6 months!" rupert maybe 1 more trip b4 xmas From bens Mon Nov 1 17:28:15 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA1MSFVY007188 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 17:28:15 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA1MSFjn007187 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 17:28:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 17:28:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200411012228.iA1MSExG007183@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Chris De Jesus" To: Subject: Re: Got the 04, saw the LR3, 95 D1 anyone? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Congrats Rupert. Great to have you back in the LR fold. Not sure about a trip before Xmas, but keep me in the loop just in case. Regards, Chris D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "SBC YAHOO!" To: "Mendo_Recce" Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 1:45 PM Subject: Got the 04, saw the LR3, 95 D1 anyone? > > Yipee, got the 04 late yesterday, saw the LR3, interesting vehicle, no test > drive though. > If anyone's interested there's a 95 red D1 for sale at Ed's Fine Cars in > Fairfield, corner of Bell & N. Texas. It's been sitting there for at least 4 > months, my son moved into that area in July. > Maybe the dealer would take a low ball price for cash flow purposes? At > least when the salesman shows you the sticker that says "low mileage" you > can reply "it's because it's been sitting there for at least 6 months!" > > rupert > maybe 1 more trip b4 xmas > > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Nov 2 01:21:04 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA26L4VY028126 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 01:21:04 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA26L43r028125 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 01:21:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 01:21:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200411020621.iA26L4qQ028121@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Granville" To: "Mendo Recce Mailing List" Subject: Fw: Cow Mountain Clean-up Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This just came to me from a local Jeeper with whom I used to work: I don't know how many of you read the Ukiah Daily Journal today, but there is an article about "Volunteers needed for Cow Mountain Clean-up". As per the Ukiah Daily Journal: "Outdoor recreation enthusiasts who want to help improve the south Cow Mountain Off Highway Vehicle Recreation Area east of Ukiah are invited to join BLM Ukiah Field Office on Saturday, 11/6/04 for a Clean-up Day. Volunteers are needed to help remove brush from trails, clean up trash and complete minor maintenance work. Registration will be from 8 to 9 a.m. at the Red Mountain Campground. Work projects will go from 9 a.m. until about 4 p.m. Lunch will be provided for all volunteers. Participants should bring a hat, work gloves, drinking water, and sunscreen. They should wear sturdy work boots and weather-appropriate work clothing. They should be prepared for inclement weather, steep terrain and thick vegetation. BLM will provide tools. "We depend heavily on volunteers to help us get the on-the-ground work done," said Brad Colin, BLM outdoor recreation planner. "We are hoping that everyone who enjoys recreation at South Cow Mountain will come and help out." Granny PS I doubt that I can make it but thought I'd pass it along to the list. If you are interested, I can look up the local BLM office phone number for you to reach Brad Colin. From bens Tue Nov 2 18:32:14 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA2NWDVY004847 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 18:32:13 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA2NWDof004846 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 18:32:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 18:32:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200411022332.iA2NWDG4004842@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Chris De Jesus" To: "Mendo Recce" , Subject: rooftop tent Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 24 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" For anyone interested in a rooftop tent, one is available on E-bay, but = you have to ship it from the UK. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3D31348&item=3D249= 8228310&rd=3D1&ssPageName=3DWDVW Best of luck, Chris D. From bens Tue Nov 2 18:47:12 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA2NlCVY005466 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 18:47:12 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA2NlCnd005465 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 18:47:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 18:47:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200411022347.iA2NlC1T005461@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Engine Wanted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, Please bear in mind that I am looking for a 3.9, 4.0 or 4.6 engine that still has life in it. Aidan? Any other spare engines? Thanks. Mark From bens Tue Nov 2 19:33:47 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA30XlVY007266 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 19:33:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA30Xlj6007265 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 19:33:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 19:33:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200411030033.iA30Xlcp007261@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: Fw: rooftop tent Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org for those searching, it is item number 2498228310 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris De Jesus" To: "Mendo Recce" ; Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 3:32 PM Subject: rooftop tent > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; ] > [ 24 lines filtered. ] > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > For anyone interested in a rooftop tent, one is available on E-bay, but = > you have to ship it from the UK. [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] item=3D249= > 8228310&rd=3D1&ssPageName=3DWDVW > > Best of luck, > Chris D. From bens Wed Nov 3 01:41:51 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA36foVY023308 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 01:41:50 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA36foBH023307 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 01:41:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 01:41:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200411030641.iA36foVZ023303@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Aidan McLeer" To: Subject: Re: Engine Wanted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Let me check What application is it need for ? Later Aidan Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail, Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying "Dude, that was awesome " http://community.webshots.com/user/auditech ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 3:47 PM Subject: Engine Wanted > > All, > Please bear in mind that I am looking for a 3.9, 4.0 or 4.6 engine that > still has life in it. Aidan? Any other spare engines? > Thanks. > Mark > > > From bens Wed Nov 3 10:53:38 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA3FrcVY012461 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:53:38 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA3FrcbB012460 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:53:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:53:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200411031553.iA3FrbrW012456@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: Engine Wanted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I want to use it in place of a tired old high mileage 3.5 on an LT 77 Tranny. Thanks. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aidan McLeer" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 10:41 PM Subject: Re: Engine Wanted > > Let me check > What application is it need for ? > > > > > > Later [ 26 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Nov 3 11:06:09 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA3G69VY013076 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:06:09 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA3G69Lh013075 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:06:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:06:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200411031606.iA3G68O2013071@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Engine Wanted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mark, you didn't go out & buy a SD1 did you?... Charles -----Original message----- From: "Mark Pilkington" mark@skywagons.com Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 07:53:38 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Engine Wanted > > I want to use it in place of a tired old high mileage 3.5 on an LT 77 > Tranny. > Thanks. > Mark > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aidan McLeer" > To: [ 16 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Nov 3 11:10:32 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA3GAWVY013288 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:10:32 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA3GAWWC013287 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:10:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:10:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200411031610.iA3GAWih013283@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: test... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks, am wondering: I activated a more stringent anti-spam software yesterday, and have hardly seen any posts from the list...has it just been quiet the past day??? Charles From bens Wed Nov 3 11:31:01 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA3GV1VY014137 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:31:01 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA3GV12l014136 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:31:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:31:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200411031631.iA3GV1Wm014132@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: test... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org verrrrrrrrry! let me kinow if this comes through? Paul --- charles irvin wrote: > > Folks, > > am wondering: I activated a more stringent anti-spam > software yesterday, and have hardly seen any posts from > the list...has it just been quiet the past day??? > > Charles > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Nov 3 11:44:38 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA3GibVY014682 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:44:37 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA3GibrM014681 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:44:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:44:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200411031644.iA3GibW5014677@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: Engine Wanted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org No, Not an SD1, but a V8 Powered Rover............ Bit of a weird one. It is a Series III with a 110 chassis under it and Stage One running gear. Quite a bit of rust and a tired engine. It does not know what it is, but I thought that I could make a nice legal Series/110 out of it. The fact that it has coils under it mean that it has a 110 wheelbase and the rear wheel is in the middle of the arch. Strange, but I can make a Land Rover out of it. I need a full rear door with no rust as well. Anyone have a good one. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "charles irvin" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 8:06 AM Subject: Re: Engine Wanted > > Mark, > > you didn't go out & buy a SD1 did you?... > > Charles > > -----Original message----- > From: "Mark Pilkington" mark@skywagons.com [ 16 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Nov 3 16:46:05 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA3Lk4VY026889 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 16:46:04 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA3Lk4v1026888 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 16:46:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 16:46:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200411032146.iA3Lk4Jp026884@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: tom walsh To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Fw: Cow Mountain Clean-up Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 22:21, Granville wrote: > This just came to me from a local Jeeper with whom I used to work: > > I don't know how many of you read the Ukiah Daily Journal today, but there > is an article about "Volunteers needed for Cow Mountain Clean-up". As per > the Ukiah Daily Journal: > > "Outdoor recreation enthusiasts who want to help improve the south Cow > Mountain Off Highway Vehicle Recreation Area east of Ukiah are invited to > join BLM Ukiah Field Office on Saturday, 11/6/04 for a Clean-up Day. [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Sounds like fun, but its a bit of a drive :) TomW From bens Wed Nov 3 16:56:19 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA3LuJVY027304 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 16:56:19 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA3LuJ1I027303 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 16:56:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 16:56:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200411032156.iA3LuJ3T027299@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: tom walsh To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Engine Wanted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 15:47, Mark Pilkington wrote: > All, > Please bear in mind that I am looking for a 3.9, 4.0 or 4.6 engine that > still has life in it. Aidan? Any other spare engines? > Thanks. > Mark > its not what your looking for exactly but... I have a re built 3.5 with 3.9 heads 3.9 cam, new fancy roller chain, bored out pistons ( all new ), with two intakes ( one w/ two downdraft carbs, one with holly 650 ), new water pump, gm alternator etc.... its sitting in storage in Cali.... it has all ancilerary's ( long block ) $1000, I have over 3k into it! its never been used since coming out of the shop! > From bens Wed Nov 3 17:44:34 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA3MiYVY029120 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 17:44:34 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA3MiYPh029119 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 17:44:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 17:44:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200411032244.iA3MiXl9029115@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: Engine Wanted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hmmm. Interesting. How many HP do you think. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom walsh" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:56 PM Subject: Re: Engine Wanted > > On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 15:47, Mark Pilkington wrote: >> All, >> Please bear in mind that I am looking for a 3.9, 4.0 or 4.6 engine >> that >> still has life in it. Aidan? Any other spare engines? >> Thanks. >> Mark >> [ 15 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Nov 3 18:06:20 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA3N6KVY030118 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:06:20 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA3N6Kp0030117 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:06:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:06:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200411032306.iA3N6JqP030113@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: jarrod wyrick To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: magnaflow Cats Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Has anyone used Magnaflow cat/ y pipes? It is a direct fit application. A local shop is saying that they are the way to go. Just looking for feedback. -Jarrod From bens Wed Nov 3 18:59:54 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA3NxsVY032116 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:59:54 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA3NxsQx032115 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:59:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:59:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200411032359.iA3NxrNM032111@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: magnaflow Cats Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- jarrod wyrick wrote: > > Has anyone used Magnaflow cat/ y pipes? > > > > It is a direct fit application. A local shop is saying > that they are > the way to go. > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ME TOO!!!! we have knocking cats on teh LWB and the muffler shop was talking about welding in replacement magnaflow cats for ~$400.00....what are you seeeing for the price on these? and is it a different cat for teh 4.2 engine from teh 3.9? the guy said they were supposed to be much better flowing than stock. I have a magnaflow muffler on Elgie(88" with mercruiser engine) and it's been great for four years so far Paul(hmmm!startng to research) From bens Wed Nov 3 19:17:43 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA40HgVY000428 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 19:17:42 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA40HgWv000427 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 19:17:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 19:17:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200411040017.iA40HgOk000423@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: magnaflow Cats Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org And on a related subject... Spot has a crack in one of the down pipes from the right exhaust header. Any suggestions or recommendations for replacement headers for a 94 D90? It cracked before and was repaired by welding. It has cracked again at the weld so I think it's time to look at replacing them. Bruce Paul Archibald wrote: > --- jarrod wyrick wrote: > > > > > Has anyone used Magnaflow cat/ y pipes? > > > > > > > > It is a direct fit application. A local shop is saying > > that they are [ 17 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Nov 3 19:26:49 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA40QnVY000826 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 19:26:49 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA40QnEF000825 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 19:26:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 19:26:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200411040026.iA40QmCA000821@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: jarrod wyrick To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: magnaflow Cats Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It is cheeper to do the weld in line cats. I was quoted about the same. However, This was done already once ( do not know the brand of cats) and my Y- Pipe is staring to look like frank-in-pipe. So, I am opting to replace the entire thing. It is going to cost me about $750.00 for the install, new Y-pipe, and to fix the last part of the exhaust. I might have gotten a better product from rovers north, but now I have a local warranty on parts and labor with no shipping. Also, does anyone know how to tell if the O2 sensors are working right. I am not getting a EFI light on, but the guy at the shop said that the old cats failed because they got hot. The rover does smell rich and I think it might be partly related to the O2 sensors. perhaps it is dumping fuel in like it is cold even though it is hot. -Jarrod 92' RRC County On Nov 3, 2004, at 3:59 PM, Paul Archibald wrote: > > > --- jarrod wyrick wrote: > >> >> Has anyone used Magnaflow cat/ y pipes? >> >> >> [ 19 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Nov 3 22:09:43 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA439hVY007258 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 22:09:43 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA439hKg007257 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 22:09:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 22:09:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200411040309.iA439gps007253@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. Re: sell or upgrade Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >From another Joe with a 109.... I just started daily driving my truck again after a 6 month hiatus. My 2.25L runs too well to ditch for a V8 and my new "Roverdrive" OD is doing its thing. With approx 2/3 of my driving on San Diego fwys, I'm getting 13-14 mpg. Regards, Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From bens Wed Nov 3 22:46:02 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA43k1VY008865 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 22:46:01 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA43k1kV008864 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 22:46:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 22:46:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200411040346.iA43k1uh008860@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: magnaflow Cats Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jarrod, o2 sensors SHOULD be replaced somewhere around 25-50K miles (can't remember which figure it is), wether the EFI light is on, or not. Paul, Quality Muffler here in Visalia cut the old cats off & welded in new cats in my Rangie for @ $120-140 each. They were the "performance" cats (a bit more open inside, I guess), and kinda made the truck sound more Chevy-ish! It ran great though, and passed smog no problem. Charles -----Original message----- From: jarrod wyrick jarrodwyrick@mac.com Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 16:26:49 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: magnaflow Cats > > It is cheeper to do the weld in line cats. I was quoted about the same. > However, This was done already once ( do not know the brand of cats) > and my Y- Pipe is staring to look like frank-in-pipe. So, I am opting > to replace the entire thing. It is going to cost me about $750.00 for > the install, new Y-pipe, and to fix the last part of the exhaust. I > might have gotten a better product from rovers north, but now I have a > local warranty on parts and labor with no shipping. > [ 21 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Nov 4 09:48:46 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA4EmkVY004616 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:48:46 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA4EmkJY004615 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:48:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:48:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200411041448.iA4EmkaP004611@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: re. Re: sell or upgrade Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > My 2.25L runs too well to ditch for a > V8 and my new "Roverdrive" OD is doing its thing. > With approx 2/3 of my driving on San Diego fwys, I'm > getting 13-14 mpg. Which is only 1-2 MPG less that I'm getting with the 302 V8 on the freeway @ 65 MPH. Sure would be nice to add another 10 MPG to that without spending a few thousand dollars. I've hear that a 6.2 diesel & NV4500 gearbox in a series rig provides around 18-22 MPG at 65 MPH. T. J. Wakeman 1960 Land Rover 109 Dormobile owned since 1978 1961 Triumph TR3A owned since 1986, the new car From bens Thu Nov 4 12:05:31 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA4H5VVY010339 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:05:31 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA4H5V0T010338 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:05:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:05:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200411041705.iA4H5VcE010334@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo rec list Subject: thermal conductivity question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm sure someone on the list can answer this. I know that copper is a lot more conductive than aluminum but how does the thermal conductivity of brass compare with these two metals? Thanks TeriAnn J. Wakeman Marigold Ltd. www.marigoldltd.com From bens Thu Nov 4 12:36:59 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA4HaxVY011562 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:36:59 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA4Hax72011561 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:36:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:36:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200411041736.iA4HaxFO011557@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: thermal conductivity question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Different aluminum alloys range from 170 to 240 W/m*K Pure copper is is 401 Cartridge brass is 110 On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:05:31 -0500, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: From bens Thu Nov 4 12:42:13 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA4HgDVY011776 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:42:13 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA4HgDVk011775 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:42:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:42:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200411041742.iA4HgCFl011771@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Gabe" To: Subject: Re: thermal conductivity question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm sure someone will prove me wrong (because I don't really know), but my understanding was - the more electrically conducive that a metal is, the more thermally conducive it is... I know that that doesn't apply to plastics and ceramics, etc... but those are engineered for specific reasons. Simple test would be to test the two metals. I would think that copper would be more conducive. - Gabe ----- Original Message ----- From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" To: "mendo rec list" Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 9:05 AM Subject: thermal conductivity question From bens Thu Nov 4 12:44:00 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA4Hi0VY011797 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:44:00 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA4Hi0cE011796 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:44:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:43:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200411041743.iA4HhxWA011792@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Gabe" To: Subject: Re: thermal conductivity question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org STOLEN from a .edu site... In ordinary metals, the third factor is the most variable one. One of the biggest reasons that it varies is that the electrons actually travel as waves which don't bounce off the atoms in good crystals, the same as light waves don't bounce off atoms as they travel through a good transparent crystal. Some ordinary metals (say brass) are alloys of different types of atoms, so the electrons bounce off the irregular patterns of different types of atoms. Others, like copper, silver, and aluminum, are pure elements. There will be a little electron scattering even in perfect crystals of pure elements, since the atoms are always jiggling a little out of position because of the energy connected with temperature. This 'thermal' scattering varies substantially between different metals. The scattering off alloys, defects, etc. can be much larger. From bens Thu Nov 4 14:23:10 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA4JNAVY015899 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:23:10 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA4JNA1V015898 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:23:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:23:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200411041923.iA4JNAA5015894@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: thermal conductivity question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Copper has the highest level of thermal c. among the materials in question. Aluminum is about 1/2 of copper and brass is about half of aluminum. Its very dependant on the alloy. Red copper, which can go as high as 95% of copper to zinc, has a thermal c. rating nearing aluminum. Yellow brass, which is about 55% copper to zinc, has about half the t.c. of aluminum. Regarding metals, the better the thermal conductor, the better the electrical conductor >>> twakeman@cruzers.com 11/04/04 09:05AM >>> I'm sure someone on the list can answer this. I know that copper is a lot more conductive than aluminum but how does the thermal conductivity of brass compare with these two metals? Thanks TeriAnn J. Wakeman Marigold Ltd. www.marigoldltd.com From bens Thu Nov 4 14:31:07 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA4JV7VY016292 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:31:07 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA4JV7lI016291 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:31:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:31:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200411041931.iA4JV63R016287@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Gabe" To: Subject: Re: thermal conductivity question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Guess I wasn't wrong! Sweeeet! - G ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Johnson" To: Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 11:23 AM Subject: Re: thermal conductivity question From bens Thu Nov 4 17:11:03 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA4MB3VY022925 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:11:03 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA4MB3CN022924 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:11:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:11:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200411042211.iA4MB2Kr022920@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Thanks- thermal conductivity question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks for all the great replies. I always assumed that since brass was a copper alloy that it had a similar thermal conductivity to copper. No data, just like to like. Now I understand why aluminum radiators re so popular T. J. Wakeman Santa Cruz, California http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman A member of the internet community since 1985. From bens Thu Nov 4 17:28:17 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA4MSHVY023544 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:28:17 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA4MSHQp023543 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:28:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:28:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200411042228.iA4MSGrJ023539@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Thanks- thermal conductivity question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org But wouldn't it be great if they put a silver or gold radiator on a Rangie? Think of the heat transfer! > Now I understand why aluminum radiators re so popular > > > T. J. Wakeman > Santa Cruz, California > http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens Thu Nov 4 17:34:59 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA4MYxVY023755 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:34:59 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA4MYxSA023754 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:34:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:34:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200411042234.iA4MYxmc023750@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Thanks- thermal conductivity question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The other reason is they are lighter. On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:11:02 -0500, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: From bens Fri Nov 5 00:13:16 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA55DGVY007591 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 00:13:16 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA55DG0X007590 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 00:13:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 00:13:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200411050513.iA55DFdp007586@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: parts question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org where does this mount? Anyone familiar with it? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=7932286569&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT thanks, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby", 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 2004 Honda Element mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2000 custom fixed gear (I built the frame), 2002 Merlin Extra Fat, 2004 Steve Rex (done!) ours: 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Fri Nov 5 04:03:28 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA593SVY017756 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 04:03:28 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA593SEm017755 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 04:03:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 04:03:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200411050903.iA593SN1017751@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: To: Subject: Materials properties information Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ null; ] [ 210 lines filtered. ] Since TeriAnn's question has been answered so well already I will not add anything further to it. However a very good site for materials information that I use (I am a Materials Scientist)is: http://www.matweb.com/ Karen Sindir '74 SIII 88 Red Rufy '66 SIIa 88 Barbaros - up & running again '65 Disco EFE From bens Fri Nov 5 09:29:41 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA5ETfVY030312 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:29:41 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA5ETfao030311 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:29:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:29:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200411051429.iA5ETe09030307@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Bob and Sue B To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: parts question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi John, It is under the center below the instrument panel. If your truck has a hand throttle, it goes through it. Bob B At 12:13 AM 11/5/2004 -0500, you wrote: >where does this mount? Anyone familiar with it? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? >ViewItem&item=7932286569&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT > >thanks, > >John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us >Land Rover Dormobile web pages: [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Nov 5 09:42:35 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA5EgZVY030915 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:42:35 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA5EgZaV030914 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:42:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:42:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200411051442.iA5EgZbe030910@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Ted V Harwood II" To: Subject: Re: parts question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hess" To: Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 9:13 PM Subject: parts question > where does this mount? Anyone familiar with it? The part mounts at the center of the bulkhead below the instrament panel. The hand throttle usually mounts on the left where you can see the small cover plate. Ted > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7932286569&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT From bens Fri Nov 5 11:23:16 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA5GNGVY002586 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:23:16 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA5GNGFv002585 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:23:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:23:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200411051623.iA5GNGHo002581@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: parts question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- John Hess wrote: > > where does this mount? Anyone familiar with it? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&item=7932286569&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT SERIOUSLY???? John, it goes on the bulkhead under tha dash in center!!! you should have one on each rover...or am I forgetting and the bulkheads may have varied? hmmm! just confirmed exactly same as on Elgie...even down to teh hold for missing choke cable! ;-) maybe your heater ducting covers it up or something? Paul From bens Fri Nov 5 12:14:04 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA5HE4VY004646 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:14:04 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA5HE4UW004645 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:14:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:14:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200411051714.iA5HE4LS004641@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: StevHutch@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Metals -- Thermal properties Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ahhh, makes sense why most big heat sinks are aluminum (heat value vs. cost) and the most expensive CPU heat sinks are copper or have a copper contact insert. ---- Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:36:59 -0500 From: James Howard Subject: Re: thermal conductivity question Different aluminum alloys range from 170 to 240 W/m*K Pure copper is is 401 Cartridge brass is 110 From bens Fri Nov 5 12:22:20 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA5HMKVY005050 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:22:20 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA5HMK0A005049 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:22:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:22:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200411051722.iA5HMJFd005045@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Blair Peterson" To: Subject: British Isles travelogue snippet Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A friend of mine just returned from a trip to the UK with his wife and young kids. I casually commented to his email "you must have seen plenty of Land Rovers" and this is what he replied with (he's not a Rover guy but appreciates my interest in them). Thought all you Birmabrite fans would enjoy the imagery: "I kept a keen eye out for rovers over there. There are tons of them, and some models I didn't know existed. Pretty cool to see them in places where they are being used in ways that they were actually built for....hauling stuff, mucking through farm fields, up wet and windy two rut roads... I didn't see many spotless rovers being driven by primped moms in the chichi mall areas or quaint little towns. If you saw a woman in or around one, she had on jeans, wellies and a fleece or a slicker. The rovers all looked lived in, and had mud on the quarter panels. You'd see them parked in the driveway next to some cottage up a dirt road, there to work on the farm." Cheers, Blair. (who's IIA 109 Regular is well outfitted for the farm life; all I need is the farm!) -------------------------------------------------------- This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information intended for the specific individual or entity addressed, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient you must not disseminate, forward, print or copy it in any form or take any action or reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message or by calling +1 510-844-3000. Thank you. -------------------------------------------------------- From bens Fri Nov 5 12:39:19 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA5HdJVY005670 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:39:19 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA5HdJg6005669 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:39:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:39:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200411051739.iA5HdJNg005665@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: Re: British Isles travelogue snippet Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ..this reminds me of the time i got off the train in stratford upon avon, and across the street was the stockyard, chock full of series rigs pulling cattle trailers.....maybe 20 series iia and iii...and then as we walked around the countryside, the combines and plows and log splitters, etc. were all being pulled by 88's and 109's.....sweet memories... (and i too need a farm for my 88" pu) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blair Peterson" To: Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 9:22 AM Subject: British Isles travelogue snippet > > A friend of mine just returned from a trip to the UK with his wife and > young kids. I casually commented to his email "you must have seen plenty > of Land Rovers" and this is what he replied with (he's not a Rover guy > but appreciates my interest in them). Thought all you Birmabrite fans > would enjoy the imagery: > > "I kept a keen eye out for rovers over there. There are tons of them, > and some models I didn't know existed. Pretty cool to see them in places [ 20 additional quoted lines pruned. ] proprietary and privileged information intended for the specific individual or entity addressed, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient you must not disseminate, forward, print or copy it in any form or take any action or reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message or by calling +1 510-844-3000. > > Thank you. > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > From bens Fri Nov 5 12:41:49 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA5HfnVY005875 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:41:49 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA5Hfn7V005874 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:41:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:41:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200411051741.iA5HfnnK005870@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: British Isles travelogue snippet Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks. That is them in their natural habitat. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blair Peterson" To: Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 9:22 AM Subject: British Isles travelogue snippet > > A friend of mine just returned from a trip to the UK with his wife and > young kids. I casually commented to his email "you must have seen plenty > of Land Rovers" and this is what he replied with (he's not a Rover guy > but appreciates my interest in them). Thought all you Birmabrite fans > would enjoy the imagery: > > "I kept a keen eye out for rovers over there. There are tons of them, > and some models I didn't know existed. Pretty cool to see them in places [ 36 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Nov 5 12:54:53 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA5HsrVY006275 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:54:53 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA5Hsrpl006274 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:54:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:54:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200411051754.iA5HsqRE006270@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: British Isles travelogue snippet Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Even when you land at Heathrow, all the airport vehicles whizzing around the planes are Defenders, 90's and Discoveries. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 9:39 AM Subject: Re: British Isles travelogue snippet > > ..this reminds me of the time i got off the train in stratford upon avon, > and across the street was the stockyard, chock full of series rigs pulling > cattle trailers.....maybe 20 series iia and iii...and then as we walked > around the countryside, the combines and plows and log splitters, etc. > were > all being pulled by 88's and 109's.....sweet memories... > > (and i too need a farm for my 88" pu) [ 39 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Nov 5 19:57:01 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA60v1VY023574 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 19:57:01 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA60v1gD023573 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 19:57:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 19:57:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200411060057.iA60v0Bg023569@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Matt W" To: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Its_time_to_thin_the_herd=2C_I'm_selling_my_89_RR_Angus?= Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 89 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" This could be a great trail truck for someone. I 'm not a two car kind = of guy and I find I'm enjoying the 88 too much.=20 Here are the particulars.=20 Located in Santa Barbara Two years ago I bought the following stuff for it. ARB front bumper OME medium duty springs and shocks. New Radiator 235 cooper mud terrains I change the oil regularly The brake light comes on the dash intermittently It seams to be running hot but the oil doesn't show signs of water. The speedometer broke about year ago I guess the car has 150,000 miles. Oh yeah, it's green=20 =20 =20 I'm under new delusions about what its worth. (I'm a buy high sell low = kinda guy) so let's start at $1000 =20 Email me off list if you want a picture=20 =20 Thanks, Matt Wilson=20 From bens Fri Nov 5 23:53:15 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA64rFVY000429 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 23:53:15 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA64rFP3000428 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 23:53:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 23:53:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200411060453.iA64rEE8000424@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: parts question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > SERIOUSLY???? > > John, it goes on the bulkhead under tha dash in center!!! > seriously. Neither Stubby nor Elvis has one. I feel depraved (oops, deprived). What do the three hole on the bottom attach to? I could mount it in Stubby and use the heater switch, and the panel for the hand throttle. But it probably won't mount firmly without the bottom hole using some reinforcement somehow. cheers, > you should have one on each rover...or am I forgetting and > the bulkheads may have varied? hmmm! just confirmed > exactly same as on Elgie...even down to teh hold for > missing choke cable! ;-) maybe your heater ducting covers > it up or something? > > Paul > > John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby", 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 2004 Honda Element "Ellie?" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2000 custom fixed gear (I built the frame), 2004 Steve Rex (done!) ours: 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Sat Nov 6 00:08:56 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA658uVY001095 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 00:08:56 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA658usP001094 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 00:08:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 00:08:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200411060508.iA658tWV001090@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Shannon Holland To: Mendo Recce Subject: seats! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Long time no speak everyone! Have been here in lurk mode while work has been, ummm, rather busy. Hopefully this won't be continuing for much longer (I'm in serious need of a vacation)! The 110 is doing well, but is in desperate need of some new front seats! They were never all that comfortable (which is weird as the seats in the 90 always worked really well for me) but now they're getting really uncomfortable. So, I'm looking for something to replace them with. I'd ideally like something reasonably comfortable that can recline and hopefully still allows access to the under seat bins. Does such a thing exist? I used to have a link somewhere for some company that made defender seats, but I can't seem to find it. Pretty sure it came from mendo... But, alas, I either lost it or, more likely, can't seem to find it. Any recommendations or experiences? Thanks! Shannon From bens Sat Nov 6 10:29:19 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA6FTJVY026905 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:29:19 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA6FTJe7026904 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:29:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:29:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200411061529.iA6FTJwk026900@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Bob and Sue B To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: parts question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John, this panel is mounted flat under the instrument panel it covers a hole and is used to mount the big engine speed control that moves sideways. I have a 60-88 parts truck in the sideyard and it has the panel so stubby should. Of course the previous owner of stubby did some strange things around the instruments where he added the Volvo wiring that I had to remove. Bob B At 11:53 PM 11/5/2004 -0500, you wrote: > > > > SERIOUSLY???? > > > > John, it goes on the bulkhead under tha dash in center!!! > > > > >seriously. Neither Stubby nor Elvis has one. I feel depraved (oops, >deprived). What do the three hole on the bottom attach to? I could [ 24 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Nov 6 11:38:32 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA6GcWVY029812 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 11:38:32 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA6GcW5d029811 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 11:38:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 11:38:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200411061638.iA6GcWH0029807@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: parts question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > seriously. Neither Stubby nor Elvis has one. This may just be a factory positive earth or 4 cyl bulkhead panel. Put your hand on Stubby's choke knob. The panel it is on should be the one in the picture. It sits directly above the starter switch. The heater rheostat is for the Smiths round heater. The part is readily available new from Moss motors TeriAnn J. Wakeman A blue voter and proud of it From bens Sat Nov 6 21:56:40 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA72ueVY021901 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 21:56:40 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA72ue8P021900 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 21:56:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 21:56:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200411070256.iA72ueC6021896@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From bens Sat Nov 6 22:00:18 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA730IVY022033 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 22:00:18 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA730I8X022032 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 22:00:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 22:00:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200411070300.iA730IAf022028@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Interesting stuff on LRX... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anybody ever hear of a guy called Wally Ford??? He's got a Rangie on LRX, and he doesn't seem to care much for people in general, though especially NCRC people... He won't return long distance calls, and he'll only return international calls on a collect basis! It gets better: he says IN THE AD "...if you're a member of ncrc, get lost racest." (Note; he can't spell, either) Did I miss something once? Anyway, somebody in Redondo Beach has a Camel 110Tdi support truck for sale, there's another 110 County in Aptos, and another somewhere else, too! Charles From bens Sat Nov 6 22:55:20 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA73tKVY024152 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 22:55:20 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA73tKJO024151 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 22:55:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 22:55:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200411070355.iA73tJXx024147@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: RE: Interesting stuff on LRX... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Never heard of him. I have to say that his ad is one of the least coherent that I've ever seen on LRX! Makes me wonder if it is a joke, there are so many misspellings. . . . Advertisement to SELL; Product: 1994 RANGE ROVER; Price: 3300; (Currency: US Dollars) 1994 rang rover 104k runs great interior needs little tlc 104k new diehard batt new tires all acc runs great if your out of state calls will not be returned ...if you are out of county get redy to except collect calls this will weed out tirekickers 3300. 707-545-8097 wally if your a member of ncrc get lost racest . . . Anybody ever hear of a guy called Wally Ford??? He's got a Rangie on LRX, and he doesn't seem to care much for people in general, though especially NCRC people... He won't return long distance calls, and he'll only return international calls on a collect basis! It gets better: he says IN THE AD "...if you're a member of ncrc, get lost racest." (Note; he can't spell, either) From bens Sat Nov 6 23:22:14 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA74MEVY025205 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 23:22:14 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA74MEWN025204 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 23:22:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 23:22:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200411070422.iA74MEkQ025200@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Granville" To: Subject: Re: Interesting stuff on LRX... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I don't know if I should admit it or not but I do know him! He lives in Santa Rosa. I sold him a couple of my collection of yard art Series Rovers a few years ago. He turned one of them into a monster truck. He's not heavy on formal education but he seemed to me to be sincere enough, if a bit eccentric. He once mentioned something to me about having gone to some NCRC gathering and feeling that he was treated very shabbily, shunned, as it were. I think it might have been one of the pub gatherings in Berkeley, four or five years ago. This is the first time I've seen him call himself Wally; previously I've seen him call himself either Walter or Walt. But it's the same guy. The telephone number is different from what I had but the e-mail address is the same. > Never heard of him. I have to say that his ad is one of the least coherent > that I've ever seen on LRX! Makes me wonder if it is a joke, there are so > many misspellings. Granny From bens Sun Nov 7 00:40:31 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA75eUVY029589 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 00:40:30 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA75eU0h029588 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 00:40:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 00:40:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200411070540.iA75eRh1029584@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: RE: Land Rovers in their natural habitat Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Those stories warm my heart somehow. When we went to Tahiti for our honeymoon, one of the first things I saw at the airport were base-model Defenders. First two, then eight, then as we took the tram bus to the harbor to catch the boat to an outer island, I noticed that about every 8th vehicle was a Land Rover (of course lots of Renaults and Citroens too.) When we reached Moorea by boat, there were Series rigs everyhwere, many of them diesels, all in various states of hard wear. All with trop tops, and all the truck cabs had the sunsheet as well. They were working in the fields, pulling boat trailers, and hauling cargo. The best part was when we took a hike through the island interior. Pineapple plantations and steep, rich red clay roads. We reached a thatch roof church which was next door to an old stable. The stable was converted to a Land Rover garage and about 5 trucks were being serviced. A Series III 109 was getting a brake job, and they were using stout tree stumps as jack stands. Other trucks sitting there had lost their seats over the years, replaced by plywood benches built over the seat box. The mechanics looked at me like I was crazy, taking pictures of all these trucks. We ended up referring to that place as "The Church of Rovers". My wife got sick of me "wasting" film on Land Rovers. It was hard to resist though. -Mo Patrykus From bens Sun Nov 7 10:00:15 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA7F0FVY023727 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:00:15 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA7F0F9A023726 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:00:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:00:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200411071500.iA7F0FX9023722@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Interesting stuff on LRX... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Saturday, November 6, 2004, at 07:00 PM, charles irvin wrote: > there's another 110 County in Aptos, That's funny. I've never seen one around. In the picture i could not see a front plate either. I just emailed the seller & asked for a look see. T.J. Wakeman Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance. From bens Sun Nov 7 11:42:25 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA7GgPVY027687 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:42:25 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA7GgPhj027686 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:42:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:42:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200411071642.iA7GgPLE027682@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Interesting stuff on LRX... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It happens: I also noticed a 88" for sale in Hawthorne, Nv. - I've been there a hundred times, and all I've ever seen there is a yard full of chrome-bumpered MGB's! (there is a guy in another town along the highway that has several 88" rigs, along with several 2 1/2 ton, and 5 ton military trucks in his yard!) ...'62 TR3B for sale in the "North" issue of the Recycler... Charles > That's funny. I've never seen one around. In the picture i could not > see a front plate either. I just emailed the seller & asked for a look > see. From bens Sun Nov 7 12:18:56 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA7HIuVY029068 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 12:18:56 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA7HIuLh029067 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 12:18:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 12:18:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200411071718.iA7HIuSW029063@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Land Rovers in their natural habitat Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 18 lines filtered. ] Mo, your post brings back memories. My Rover addiction comes from time spent on Moorea. We spent nearly six months anchored in Opunohu Bay and made friends with an American and his Tahitian wife who were rehabbing an abandoned vanilla plantation. His work truck and Sunday go to church vehicle was a beaten up Series 88 Diesel. Body work was pretty much trashed and the rustermite was attacking in earnest but it always started up. It did yeoman work pulling stumps, hauling anything we could balance on it and just getting around the steep terrain of the farm. When we went to the 'big' city of Paopao on Cook's Bay, we'd usually be loaded down with 5 or six Tahitians hanging all over the truck. I really came to appreciate the simplicity and versatility of the truck. Didn't have the opportunity to buy my first one till 1984, though. At that time, mid '70's, the only other Land Rovers that I saw was a new Range Rover v8. It was owned by one of the Americans that built and ran one of the local hotels. Remember thinking what a fine looking truck it was. Too bad Rover didn't have it together to start importing them into the US. They would have dominated the American SUV market. The most common 4x4 was the Suzuki Jeep with a 2 cycle engine. Most were owned by a rental agency. Apparently they'd had problems with too enthusiastic use of the 4wd by the tourists. To stop this, they'd removed the actuating lever for the 4wd. Judging from the longevity of the Suzuki's they sold here in Kona, those trucks have long since rusted into oblivion. Vehicles are heavily taxed in French Polynesia. The duty was something like 100%. Checked out a new Jeep CJ that had a price tag around $15,000, a $5,000 truck in the US. Lots of incentive to keep the old Rovers on the road. Probably a shock for the purist, doubt that any of the old series trucks will win any concours or originality awards. Aloha Peter O. trykus wrote: Those stories warm my heart somehow. When we went to Tahiti for our honeymoon, one of the first things I saw at the airport were base-model Defenders. First two, then eight, then as we took the tram bus to the harbor to catch the boat to an outer island, I noticed that about every 8th vehicle was a Land Rover (of course lots of Renaults and Citroens too.) When we reached Moorea by boat, there were Series rigs everyhwere, many of them diesels, all in various states of hard wear. All with trop tops, and all the truck cabs had the sunsheet as well. They were working in the fields, pulling boat trailers, and hauling cargo. The best part was when we took a hike through the island interior. Pineapple plantations and steep, rich red clay roads. We reached a thatch roof church which was next door to an old stable. The stable was converted to a Land Rover garage and about 5 trucks were being serviced. A Series III 109 was getting a brake job, and they were using stout tree stumps as jack stands. Other trucks sitting there had lost their seats over the years, replaced by plywood benches built over the seat box. The mechanics looked at me like I was crazy, taking pictures of all these trucks. We ended up referring to that place as "The Church of Rovers". My wife got sick of me "wasting" film on Land Rovers. It was hard to resist though. -Mo Patrykus --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From bens Sun Nov 7 13:35:35 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA7IZZVY032322 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:35:35 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA7IZZPp032321 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:35:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:35:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200411071835.iA7IZZ2I032317@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Interesting stuff on LRX... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 12 lines filtered. ] I sold Walt Ford a 109 a few years ago, eccentric (like I should talk) but actually, a nice fellow. He at the time had a few series vehicles he was painting. I happened to come across the photos he'd left for me at that time, while cleaning yesterday. It looked like pretty nice work on a paint level. There's something to be said for somebody who gets after it. He was proceeding a lot faster than me. Zack From bens Sun Nov 7 16:00:17 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA7L0HVY005839 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 16:00:17 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA7L0HiN005838 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 16:00:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 16:00:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200411072100.iA7L0HiG005834@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Jeremy Bartlett To: mendo Subject: Re: Interesting Stuff on LRX Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've never met Mr. Ford. He joined NCRC a few years ago then requested we drop his membership with some, to my mind, rather incoherent statements. Given the quality of the communication I suspect he would get along well with Mr. "Corn Flakes"; perhaps they could share the Li Rx; but that's just a guess. Jeremy From bens Sun Nov 7 18:28:49 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA7NSnVY011611 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:28:49 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA7NSn36011610 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:28:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:28:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200411072328.iA7NSmHF011606@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1474 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org When I needed new seats for my 109, there were only two ways to retain access to the underseat lockers (kind of important for me, since that's where the battery is). One way was to use Land Rover seats (series or defender) the other way was to rig up some kind of quick disconnect system so you could pull the seat out entirely. No one else seems to make two part seats like Land Rover. The company that makes seats for the Defender is Exmoor Trim. I ended up getting Defender seats from Rovers Down South. Joe Ward >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd ideally like something reasonably comfortable that can recline and hopefully still allows access to the under seat bins. Does such a thing exist? I used to have a link somewhere for some company that made defender seats, ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From bens Sun Nov 7 20:32:47 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA81WlVY016554 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 20:32:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA81WlD3016553 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 20:32:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 20:32:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200411080132.iA81Wkrj016549@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: apg@bigfoot.com.au To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1475 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks '-Mo Patrykus' for the Tahitian anecdote. We've laboured through Papeete the long wayh back from North Borneo, where there are also many many hard working Series and hybrid Land Rovers, including a remarkable Land Cruiser-Range Rover hybrid that works the jungle out of Sandakhan along the extraordinary Buddhist clifftop monastery overhang. We were recently at the northern-most extremity of the saltwater crocodile infested estuarine bit of the Gulf of Carpentaria. It had been a founr-hour trek through axle-deep bogs from Wooloogoorang Station. There was an old outstation at the million-mile shell-crushed beach, it's bullet riddled long iron buildings rusting in the salt spray. There were three abandoned 4WD vehicles lazily being reclaimed by the environment. Two were almost unrecognisable, a relativley late model Land Cruiser that had alll but rusted away, and a an even more modern, about 1990 or so Mercedes 4WD that had just about been consumed by the jungle. However, you can guess the identity of the one still easilyu identifiable 4WD standing on it rims, sans bonnet and tilt, but still with all running gear, panels. A Series 1 Land Rover. A few days later back at the main station we learned the Land Rover had been in use long after the other two had given up and it had been abandoned only because a tidal flood had submerged the camp, vehicles and all. Theodore and Solange Bennett S3 88 & S2A 109 Canberra_Australia From bens Sun Nov 7 21:42:54 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA82gsVY019348 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:42:54 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA82gs6w019347 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:42:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:42:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200411080242.iA82gslx019343@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Twakeman" To: "Mendo" Subject: Re: Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 2 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ application/octet-stream; name="Garry.scr" ] [ 410 lines filtered. ] ----------ubphstmuunsybzjrcmpc From bens Sun Nov 7 22:33:36 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA83XaVY021329 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 22:33:36 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA83Xaox021328 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 22:33:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 22:33:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200411080333.iA83XZTZ021324@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Twakeman" To: "Mendo" Subject: Re: Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 2 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ application/octet-stream; name="Cat.scr" ] [ 416 lines filtered. ] ----------ozdyflyedtlvkfjkvkri From bens Mon Nov 8 09:34:44 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA8EYhVY016500 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:34:43 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA8EYhdJ016499 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:34:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:34:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200411081434.iA8EYh1j016495@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Bob and Sue B To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Joe Palacek's slow rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Joe, Please email me, I lost your address! Bob B From bens Mon Nov 8 14:36:57 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA8JavVY029387 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 14:36:57 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA8Javgd029386 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 14:36:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 14:36:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200411081936.iA8Jav0m029382@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: seats! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Nov 7, 2004, at 3:28 PM, wrote: > When I needed new seats for my 109, there were only > two ways to retain access to the underseat lockers > (kind of important for me, since that's where the > battery is). One way was to use Land Rover seats > (series or defender) the other way was to rig up some > kind of quick disconnect system so you could pull the > seat out entirely. No one else seems to make two part > seats like Land Rover. > [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Thanks Joe - that was what I was looking for! Has anyone tried the Exmoor seats? I haven't called yet, but it looks like they have a modular (that hopefully allows access to the underseat lockers) that can recline. Pricey though! Shannon From bens Tue Nov 9 04:20:25 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA99KPVY031812 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 04:20:25 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA99KPPT031811 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 04:20:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 04:20:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200411090920.iA99KPYk031807@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Kevin Kelly To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Land Rovers in their natural habitat Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mo wrote: That his wife told him to stop "wasting film" on Land Rovers. I've been in Australia since the beginning of the month and with a 512MB chip in my digital camera and 3GB of empty space on my mini travel laptop hard drive I don't have to worry about "wasting film". The good news is that I have seen some cool Land Rovers, but the bad news is that there is not that many on the road any more. I've put over 2,000K on the rental car since I've left Sydney and I've seen less than six Series Land Rovers and about the same amount of 2-Door Range Rovers. I see more newer Range Rovers on the way to work at home than I've seen all week in Australia (and that includes visits to two Land Rover dealers). The Disco SIII/LR3 is not for sale here yet and they did not have the parts in the system yet so I couldn't get Ben a Series III emblem for Dora or Chris a Discovery Series III emblem to make his LR3 look diffewrent from thge hundreds that will soon be filling the Peninsula mall parking lots. Their are some nice "working" Defenders, but they are outnumbered 20 to 1 by the cool heavy duty (Defender looking) Landcruisers that Toyota does not sell in the US. Kevin >From an internet café in Mackay, Australia... From bens Tue Nov 9 16:43:56 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA9LhuVY029246 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:43:56 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA9LhuOQ029245 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:43:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:43:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200411092143.iA9LhuZc029241@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: B C To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Range Rover Wheels Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I haven't posted in a while, but I thought you all could help me with my search for new wheels. Now that the chrome is peeling off and I have dinged them on several rocks it is time to replace the stock chrome 18" wheels on my 1999 RR 4.6. I am also very tired of the "Bling-Bling" chrome wheels look and want to find a more aggressive off-road wheel. I've been having trouble searching for this type of wheel. On any internet searches for 1999 Range Rover all I get back are 22" Chrome wheels with spinners. Do any of you have any recommendations for off-road wheels for a Range Rover (4.0/4.6, P38, Series II or whatever we are calling them now)? Thanks, Bryan Sacramento 1999 RR 4.6 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From bens Tue Nov 9 16:44:16 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA9LiGVY029256 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:44:16 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA9LiGr5029255 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:44:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:44:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200411092144.iA9LiGOB029251@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Daniel E. Smith" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Land Rovers in their natural habitat Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey, I think more Series Rovers went to Australia than any other country; I know they were until 1975 anyway. The Toyotas do seem to be favored over the Rovers these days in places like South Africa, Egypt, Botswana...places with more $$$ as it were. The Toyotas cost more in many cases as well. Speaking of "Working Rovers" and "Natural Environment," Australia certainly seems like a such a place, but what about here in California? I went a number of weeks this summer with no top, door tops, and folded windscreen; AKA "First Wind", so I could carry 10', 12' and 16' redwood 2"x 6" for two decks I built at home. I must have transported about 30 10 foot 2"x 6", 20 8 foot 2"x 6", and a whole heap of 2'X 4" stringers and even some 4"x 4"s. Also, 190 paving bricks, 30 bags of paver base sand, eleven 90 lb. bags of concrete and plenty of other stuff to finish the job. At the end of summer I used to Rover to pull over nine 40' - 60' trees in my yard. A working Rover for sure and definitely earning its keep. Daniel __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From bens Tue Nov 9 16:58:36 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA9LwZVY029897 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:58:35 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA9LwZTs029896 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:58:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:58:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200411092158.iA9LwZwG029892@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: RE: Range Rover Wheels Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just buy a set of P38 / Disco II 16" takeoffs. I've bought them for $200/set and $150/set. Jon ..... Do any of you have any recommendations for off-road wheels for a Range Rover (4.0/4.6, P38, Series II or whatever we are calling them now)? Thanks, Bryan Sacramento 1999 RR 4.6 From bens Tue Nov 9 17:04:40 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA9M4eVY030108 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:04:40 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA9M4e2b030107 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:04:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:04:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200411092204.iA9M4edr030103@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: jarrod wyrick To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Range Rover Wheels Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Bryan, I saw some on craigslist.org today. These look like the rims that came on the 4.0 Rangie. They are 16" rims, so they would be good for off-road. You could also look at . I find these guys a bit pricey for some items, but maybe you will have better luck with rims. -Jarrod 92' RRC On Nov 9, 2004, at 1:43 PM, B C wrote: > > I haven't posted in a while, but I thought you all > could help me with my search for new wheels. > > Now that the chrome is peeling off and I have dinged > them on several rocks it is time to replace the stock > chrome 18" wheels on my 1999 RR 4.6. > I am also very tired of the "Bling-Bling" chrome > wheels look and want to find a more aggressive [ 23 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Nov 9 17:09:23 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA9M9NVY030320 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:09:23 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA9M9NLb030319 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:09:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:09:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200411092209.iA9M9MDv030315@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Eric Schoenman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Range Rover Wheels Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bryan, I believe I saw that Roversnorth is carrying steel wheels for RR2 these days. They look very close to the heavy duty steel wolf rims http://www.roversnorth.com/RRD04/RRD04_41_44/RRD04_page44.htm Eric On Nov 9, 2004, at 1:43 PM, B C wrote: > > I haven't posted in a while, but I thought you all > could help me with my search for new wheels. > > Now that the chrome is peeling off and I have dinged > them on several rocks it is time to replace the stock > chrome 18" wheels on my 1999 RR 4.6. > I am also very tired of the "Bling-Bling" chrome > wheels look and want to find a more aggressive [ 23 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Nov 9 17:13:37 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA9MDbVY030527 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:13:37 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA9MDb3a030526 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:13:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:13:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200411092213.iA9MDbol030522@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Range Rover Wheels Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >>>... all I get back are 22" Chrome wheels >>>with spinners. T. Cooper is recommending the wheels with spinners for any Rover. The gyroscopic effect of the outer rim is actually beneficial for controlling the forward motion and adds to lateral stability. From bens Tue Nov 9 17:51:34 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iA9MpYVY032188 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:51:34 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iA9MpYce032187 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:51:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:51:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200411092251.iA9MpYOk032183@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Range Rover Wheels Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Nov 9, 2004, at 2:13 PM, Eric Johnson wrote: > T. Cooper is recommending the wheels with spinners for any Rover. The > gyroscopic effect of the outer rim is actually beneficial for > controlling the forward motion and adds to lateral stability. > Wow, I gotta get me a set of them for the 110. Maybe I could put a tail rotor with some active control circuitry on the body to add to some vertical stability. Shannon From bens Tue Nov 9 19:03:01 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAA031VY002643 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 19:03:01 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAA031AF002642 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 19:03:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 19:03:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200411100003.iAA030Ov002638@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Granville" To: Subject: Re: Land Rovers in their natural habitat Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org For years, a Series IIA 88" was the only truck I owned. I used it to haul all sorts of stuff. It had a huge roof rack (longer than the roof). I also had a '56 Ford pickup bed trailer that I pulled behind it, mostly for firewood hauling. I carried all sorts of stuff on the rack, including a load that was too heavy, causing damage to the rack and the roof. Another time I very nearly killed myself while tying down a load. Not long after that, I bought a pickup truck and saved the Land-Rover for off-roading. Of course, I continued to haul smaller building materials in/on my Land-Rover and still do with my Range Rover. But I'm a lot more careful about how I use the roof rack! When I was in England (mostly North Yorkshire), I was in farm country and saw lots of working Rovers. The one that most stuck in my mind was a brand new Range Rover that a farmer was driving through a muddy field. The other night, we were watching "Nature" on KQED. It was about a couple who spent years to get amazing filming footage of Africa's big cats, including cheetahs, leopards, lions, cervals, and curacaos. For the leopards, especially, filming had to be at night. To keep from disturbing the animals, they used infrared lights, special cameras, and night vision scopes. The animals could not see the light at all but it allowed the film to capture some amazing action. They used two Range Rover Classics. They were right-hand drive and had a funky looking wooden box in place of the driver's side door. I guess it stuck out the side to allow room for the driver to turn sideways and served as support for the movie camera mount. Each Rover had a double bank of rectangular infrared lights across the front of the roof, about six or eight lamps in each row. I really enjoyed seeing Range Rovers as work vehicles. That reminds me of a Marin County nature photographer I once met. His name is Tupper Ansel Blake. He had a 1987 Range Rover that he bought new, then cut steps into the side, just ahead of the driver's door, to get up to a big safari rack on the roof that was his work platform. His wife designed the rack; he said that's what she does for a living, designing safari equipment. He said he'd wanted a 110 but settled for the Range Rover as the only Land Rover available in the U.S. at the time. Cheers, Granny From bens Tue Nov 9 21:54:03 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAA2s3VY009585 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 21:54:03 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAA2s3Nt009584 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 21:54:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 21:54:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200411100254.iAA2s2L2009580@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: tomw To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org, mark@skywagons.com Subject: Re: Engine Wanted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 14:44, Mark Pilkington wrote: > Hmmm. Interesting. How many HP do you think. > Mark > Sorry for the delay, I was traveling and had no internet connection.. I would think it couls be as high as 150 or so ( not counting holley 650 I have no idea what to think about that ) Keep in mind these WAG type estimates and I'm not an engine expert! -- TomW From bens Wed Nov 10 00:14:24 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAA5EOVY016448 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 00:14:24 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAA5EOAw016447 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 00:14:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 00:14:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200411100514.iAA5EOLS016443@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Land Rovers in their natural habitat Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks for the interesting report Kevin. It is certainly true that in Oz and NZ Toyota and Nissan have long since taken over from Land Rover as the everyday choice of most farmers and suchlike people. But you can still get the genuine Land Rover models if you don't mind paying a bit extra and getting fewer amenities! I think one of the things that aced the Land Rover early on (about 20 years ago) was the Toyota HiLux (looks like a Tacoma with an extra long cab and a shorter bed) that was designed for the Aust/NZ market and was very practical for farmers. It has since been copied by all comers, and finally about a year or 2 ago the general design made it to US in the guise of the Ford Explorer Sport Trac etc. Also as you mention, both Toyota and Nissan sell the more sturdy versions of their other 4x4s down under, that probably don't meet US regulations for minimum number of airbags. Anyhow, we all hope Land Rover might once again develop something practical for the farmer and get back to its roots -- of course we might have a long wait! However, we can still enjoy the ones they do produce. Meanwhile have a great trip Kevin Cheers John Kevin Kelly wrote: From bens Wed Nov 10 01:08:21 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAA68LVY019736 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 01:08:21 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAA68L3K019735 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 01:08:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 01:08:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200411100608.iAA68KlM019731@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Granville" To: Subject: Re: Land Rovers in their natural habitat Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John mentioned the Toyota HiLux pickup. I don't know how he got it into the US but someone in Willits has an older one. What's neat about it is that it has a drop-side bed, rather than a regular pickup bed. I wish that feature were available on all pickups here. Very practical idea, that! Only trouble with it that I can see is that it means a high bed height (no wheel well intrusions into the bed, flat-bed style). Might work best for smaller pickups and 4x2 models. I can barely climb up into the bed of my Chevy 2500 4x4, as it is! I see pickups with big lifts on them and big tires, that have the bed height about the middle of my chest or higher, and wonder what use they are! The same guy in Willits has a non-US version of a Mitsubishi Pajero (Montero) or some such, as well. Several years ago, I saw a big (TLC wagon-sized) non-US Nissan four-door SUV (Patrol?), too, also in Willits. Wonder if it belonged to the same guy? While Land Rover is not making the simple, practical, sturdy vehicle we all want, Ricardo (which recently took over all Ibex manufacture) is ramping up production of the Foers Ibex, a vehicle that is far ahead of the Defender in all those criteria. I heard a rumor that Ricardo was working on a non-Rover-based version for the next Ibex model, one using widely available US-sourced components (e.g., Dana axles, etc.). I'll be watching development of that one with interest. It has long baffled me why Land Rover didn't buy out Foers before someone else took it over. I keep wondering if it's arrogance or just marketing mentality that keeps LR from seeing the superiority--the eminent suitability--of the Ibex design. Maybe if Ibex gets military contracts? Granny From bens Wed Nov 10 09:33:36 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAAEXaVY007283 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:33:36 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAAEXaJN007282 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:33:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:33:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200411101433.iAAEXaAo007278@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Bob and Sue B To: "mendo recce-fourfold.org" Subject: looking for Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, Could someone please send me Joe Palacek's email address? Thanks, Bob B From bens Wed Nov 10 10:50:45 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAAFojVY010484 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:50:45 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAAFoj4C010483 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:50:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:50:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200411101550.iAAFoj4t010479@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Sergi, Michael" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Hand Throttle Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Does anyone have a factory hand throttle installed on a petrol 2.25L? I can't figure out the install and need some help. It for a '64 SIIA. From bens Wed Nov 10 13:37:55 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAAIbtVY017381 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:37:55 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAAIbtur017380 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:37:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:37:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200411101837.iAAIbsmw017376@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "G. Mugele" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: looking for Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 9:33 AM -0500 11/10/04, Bob and Sue B wrote: >Hi, >Could someone please send me Joe Palacek's email address? > Well Bob, more than a year ago Joe was using this addr. Not sure these days... but you could try it: jjp4th@yahoo.com Good luck, Gerry *** My dog can't hold her licker. From bens Wed Nov 10 17:17:54 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAAMHsVY026565 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:17:54 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAAMHs4f026564 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:17:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:17:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200411102217.iAAMHsUp026560@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Ted V Harwood II" To: Subject: Re: Hand Throttle Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yep, I have one. What do you need help with? Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sergi, Michael" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 7:50 AM Subject: Hand Throttle From bens Wed Nov 10 18:33:21 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAANXKVY029642 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:33:20 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAANXKXG029641 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:33:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:33:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200411102333.iAANXK9T029637@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Daniel E. Smith" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Heater Control Part Needed Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello, Does anyone have a heater control cable with a pull knob marked "Heat" or know of a suitable replacement for that piece? It's on a narrow aux. panel where the hazard lights switch. Thanks, Daniel 1969 88" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From bens Thu Nov 11 12:14:21 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iABHELVY008960 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:14:21 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iABHEL1w008959 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:14:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:14:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200411111714.iABHELYl008955@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Heater Control Part Needed Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Daniel, Is this for a Kodiak? If so, Ray @ Wise Owl recently had pieces of Kodiak on EBay: you may want to call him & see if he had any cables. Charles -----Original message----- From: "Daniel E. Smith" sirernest.geo@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:33:20 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Heater Control Part Needed > > Hello, > > Does anyone have a heater control cable with a pull > knob marked "Heat" or know of a suitable replacement > for that piece? It's on a narrow aux. panel where the > hazard lights switch. > > Thanks, [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Nov 11 14:21:36 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iABJLaVY014428 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:21:36 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iABJLagP014427 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:21:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:21:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200411111921.iABJLau0014423@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Daniel E. Smith" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Heater Control Part Needed Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, It's a Smith's heater and the valve that the cable goes to is at the front of the engine. Daniel __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From bens Fri Nov 12 02:48:59 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAC7mxVY013474 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 02:48:59 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAC7mxkv013473 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 02:48:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 02:48:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200411120748.iAC7mwMQ013469@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Granville" To: "Mendo Recce Mailing List" Subject: Fw: NEWS RELEASE Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I really can't even picture where this is but though I'd pass it along: California Association of 4 Wheel Drive Clubs Inc. NEWS RELEASE FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Don Klusman PHONE: (530) 671-4587 DATE: November 11, 2004 The CA4WDC legal team is currently reviewing a lawsuit filed on November 9, 2004, by the anti-access groups Center for Biological Diversity and the California Native Plant Society against the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) over its management of the popular off-highway vehicle (OHV) recreation site known as the Clear Creek Management Area (CCMA). The CCMA is located in the coastal mountain range near Coalinga, California. The annual CA4WDC Molina Ghost Run as well as many other four wheel drive events have long been held in this area. The suit is based on allegations that the BLM has failed to adequately protect the San Benito Evening Primrose as outlined in the Endangered Species Act (ESA). Don Klusman, Natural Resource Constant for CA4WDC, said, "I am disappointed that anti-access groups have chosen to litigate rather than work with our local OHV groups and the BLM to protect both resource values and recreational opportunities at Clear Creek. The CA4WDC remains strongly committed to protecting responsible OHV recreation at the CCMA from attacks by anti-access groups." Thanks Don Klusman From bens Fri Nov 12 11:58:54 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iACGwsVY003054 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:58:54 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iACGwsQP003053 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:58:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:58:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200411121658.iACGwspg003049@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Fw: NEWS RELEASE Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The Clear Creek Management Area is in the Coastal Range between 101 and I-5 south of Gilroy. Quickest way in is either Panoche Creek Rd. (paved) or Little Panoche Creek road (dirt and longer) from I-5. It's also know as the New Idria Serpentine Barrens. There has been at least one Rover trip, maybe more I've been there several times, which I believe was a "not-a-trip" pre-dating the NCRC. A very interesting landscape, almost moon like in some aspects since the Serpentine, The California State Mineral ( aka asbestos), does not support much plant growth. It can be EXTREMELY slippery and dangerous when wet as the soil turns into slime and poses a respiratory risk when dry and dusty due to the asbestos content. Very cool place and well worth the trip. Bruce Granville wrote: > I really can't even picture where this is but though I'd pass it along: > > California Association of 4 Wheel Drive Clubs Inc. > NEWS RELEASE > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > CONTACT: Don Klusman > PHONE: (530) 671-4587 > DATE: November 11, 2004 [ 24 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Nov 12 13:09:53 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iACI9rVY005841 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:09:53 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iACI9rMG005840 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:09:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:09:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200411121809.iACI9qaa005836@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Mike McUne To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Fw: NEWS RELEASE Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The norcalrovers yahoo group is planning a trip to Clear Creek on the 20th. Everyone is welcome. Contact me if you're interested in joining us. Here are some pictures from a last January: http://www.mcune.com/gallery/ccma_01-17_04 Mike Bruce R. Bonar wrote: From bens Fri Nov 12 13:20:13 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iACIKDVY006369 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:20:13 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iACIKDvV006368 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:20:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:20:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200411121820.iACIKD9H006364@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Granville" To: Subject: Re: Fw: NEWS RELEASE Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Indeed, there are so many cool places (off-road wise) in California alone, that I don't see how I'll ever get around to them all. I'm particularly keen to explore the very northeastern part. Then there are all the cool places to visit in the rest of the continent and... > asbestos content. Very cool place and well worth the trip. From bens Sat Nov 13 13:14:00 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iADIE0VY031534 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 13:14:00 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iADIE097031533 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 13:14:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 13:14:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200411131814.iADIE06u031529@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Shannon Holland To: Mendo Recce Subject: bad rover, no start Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So the 110 was cranky this morning as it's been raining and I've been a lazy bugger and failed to install weather stripping on the bonnet, so water leaked in and it wouldn't start again... Ugh. Found this out yesterday, was already late for work so just took the Mazda. Tried again this morning, still no start. Thought I'd go get a hair dryer and see if that would help. Also noticed a nice odour of gas out the tailpipe so I figured fuel was happy and the engine was nicely flooded. Dried away for about 15 minutes. Still no start. Went another 10 minutes and tried starting again. Still not even the vaguest sign of catching. Just for grins I tried depressing the accelerator and a cylinder or two fired. So played around with gassing it for a bit and got it to eventually catch and after a minute it was running smoothly again. Note: the truck was running fine on Tuesday. So, what might have happened here? I'm assuming that the original problem might well have been electrical and wetness in nature. It did appear to be getting fuel since I was smelling gas vapour. Is there some weird state the ECU/injectors can get into in this type of situation? Something else? Shannon From bens Sat Nov 13 14:10:39 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iADJAdVY001430 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:10:39 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iADJAdYA001429 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:10:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:10:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200411131910.iADJAcP8001425@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Fw: NEWS RELEASE Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I dunno, if the soil is asbestos-laden, I say let the tree huggers have it - and let them suck in all the dry dust that their hearts desire! THEN let's see them sue the BLM over it. Well, it is a good thought... Charles -----Original message----- From: "Granville" granny@pacific.net Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:20:13 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Fw: NEWS RELEASE > > Indeed, there are so many cool places (off-road wise) in California alone, > that I don't see how I'll ever get around to them all. I'm particularly > keen to explore the very northeastern part. Then there are all the cool > places to visit in the rest of the continent and... > > > asbestos content. Very cool place and well worth the trip. > > From bens Sat Nov 13 14:20:19 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iADJKJVY001769 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:20:19 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iADJKJOc001768 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:20:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:20:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200411131920.iADJKJvE001764@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: bad rover, no start Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Shannon, I've never touched a Defender under the bonnet (well, I listened to Tom's engine once), BUT here's something that happened to my SD1 once, that could be a possibility: I kinda "drowned" my SD1 back in '93 or '94, during that bad El Nino winter (really - I took the car into what turned out to be a street UNDER 3 feet of water!) Engine was okay after I pulled the plugs & sprayed them with some Brakleen, but the car still wouldn't start. After a few days of trying, a SD1 guru suggested that I remove the cover on the Air Flow Meter, and see if it's full of water. I did, and it was! Dried it out, cleaned all the contacts, and the car fired right up! See, the AF Meter (and MAF sensor on newer rigs) have this big plastic cover on top, that's sealed with glue: sometimes water can still get in there & foul up the works, though on the AF sensor it's even worse with the moving parts inside. I honestly don't know if water would foul a MAF sensor - I've never looked in one - but I'd imagine that it could. Check out ALL the plug leads, and see which ones are wet, though I'd say it's the coil lead at the coil, unless you have the spare tire mount on your bonnet - in which case anything directly underneath the bolt holes would be in the path of any water. Check the MAF sensor last - and reseal with sillycone. Charles -----Original message----- From: Shannon Holland holland@loser.net Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 10:14:00 -0800 To: Mendo Recce mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: bad rover, no start > > So the 110 was cranky this morning as it's been raining and I've been a > lazy bugger and failed to install weather stripping on the bonnet, so > water leaked in and it wouldn't start again... Ugh. > > Found this out yesterday, was already late for work so just took the > Mazda. Tried again this morning, still no start. Thought I'd go get a > hair dryer and see if that would help. Also noticed a nice odour of gas > out the tailpipe so I figured fuel was happy and the engine was nicely [ 19 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Nov 13 15:49:32 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iADKnWVY005136 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 15:49:32 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iADKnWD0005135 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 15:49:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 15:49:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200411132049.iADKnWDf005131@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: bad rover, no start Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Nov 13, 2004, at 11:20 AM, charles irvin wrote: > I've never touched a Defender under the bonnet (well, I listened to > Tom's engine once), BUT here's something that happened to my SD1 once, > that could be a possibility: > > I kinda "drowned" my SD1 back in '93 or '94, during that bad El Nino > winter (really - I took the car into what turned out to be a street > UNDER 3 feet of water!) Engine was okay after I pulled the plugs & > sprayed them with some Brakleen, but the car still wouldn't start. > [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Hmmm, I didn't think to look at the MAF sensor. It did get a little bit wet. Next time I shall check it - it's now all nice and dry as it's been driven for a few hours... > > Check out ALL the plug leads, and see which ones are wet, though I'd > say it's the coil lead at the coil, unless you have the spare tire > mount on your bonnet - in which case anything directly underneath the > bolt holes would be in the path of any water. Check the MAF sensor > last - and reseal with sillycone. > I think the coil lead was the big one - it was definitely wet. What I'd like to do when I get the time is do a trick I read about somewhere where with the engine running you use a bottled water spray to wet various bits and see when it starts to run roughly or stops, then fix that and continue. In the meantime, some weather stripping for the bonnet is on the short list. This is all no biggy when I have another car to take, but we're heading out for another 2 week christmas trip and it would be no fun then. Any ideas as to why pumping the accelerator would get things going? Might it be that the throttle position sensor was wet and giving incorrect values but pumping caused this to clear up? Shannon From bens Sat Nov 13 17:07:20 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iADM7KVY008270 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 17:07:20 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iADM7KZa008269 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 17:07:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 17:07:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200411132207.iADM7KoK008265@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Twakeman" To: "Mendo" Subject: Re: Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 2 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ application/octet-stream; name="Garry.cpl" ] [ 470 lines filtered. ] ----------pfzmpangbyygxkwdeqsp From bens Sat Nov 13 18:38:13 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iADNcDVY011791 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:38:13 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iADNcDfW011790 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:38:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:38:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200411132338.iADNcCYI011786@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Twakeman" To: "Mendo" Subject: Re: Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 2 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ application/octet-stream; name="Garry.scr" ] [ 422 lines filtered. ] ----------ydagtcrnslqcwjmyonoq From bens Sat Nov 13 20:52:57 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAE1qvVY017164 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:52:57 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAE1qvKF017163 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:52:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:52:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200411140152.iAE1quBM017159@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Aidan McLeer" To: Subject: Re: bad rover, no start Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sounds like the ignition system got wet (cap, Rotor, Wires) If they are not recent or Genuine Rover ( have seen a few aftermarket rotors and caps cause running issues like missing and lack of power) When they get old they become more prone to moisture ingress Later Aidan Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail, Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying "Dude, that was awesome " http://community.webshots.com/user/auditech ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shannon Holland" To: Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 12:49 PM Subject: Re: bad rover, no start > > > On Nov 13, 2004, at 11:20 AM, charles irvin wrote: > >> I've never touched a Defender under the bonnet (well, I listened to >> Tom's engine once), BUT here's something that happened to my SD1 once, >> that could be a possibility: >> >> I kinda "drowned" my SD1 back in '93 or '94, during that bad El Nino [ 35 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Nov 15 10:58:01 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAFFw1VY019494 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:58:01 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAFFw0O6019493 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:58:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:58:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200411151558.iAFFw00q019489@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Fw: NEWS RELEASE Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If a wild California Primrose is consumed by insects, and nobody was there to see it. .. . . . . >>> cirvin@govisalia.com 11/13/04 11:10AM >>> I dunno, if the soil is asbestos-laden, I say let the tree huggers have it - and let them suck in all the dry dust that their hearts desire! THEN let's see them sue the BLM over it. Well, it is a good thought... Charles -----Original message----- From: "Granville" granny@pacific.net Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:20:13 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Fw: NEWS RELEASE > > Indeed, there are so many cool places (off-road wise) in California alone, > that I don't see how I'll ever get around to them all. I'm particularly > keen to explore the very northeastern part. Then there are all the cool > places to visit in the rest of the continent and... > > > asbestos content. Very cool place and well worth the trip. > > From bens Mon Nov 15 15:30:58 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAFKUwVY030487 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:30:58 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAFKUwaa030486 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:30:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:30:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200411152030.iAFKUwjF030482@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Classic sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I saw an unusual Range Rover Classic a few nights ago in traffic near UCSD. Maroon / dark red color Glossy White roof (home paint job?) White Nato steel wheels Unknown, skinny A/T style tires 7.5" Michelin XZL type tire/rim mounted in front of grill. Small basket rack mounted over bonnet. Bike / Kayak rack on roof. Electronic gear on dashboard. Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From bens Tue Nov 16 16:56:02 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAGLu2VY013833 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:56:02 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAGLu2es013832 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:56:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:56:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200411162156.iAGLu2rt013828@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Sighting: Green 109 on 101S near Oyster Point last night Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I saw a green 109 on 101S near Oyster Point last night. It needed some paint, but was tooling along just fine. I was in the LR3, so the driver probably didn't notice me :-) C From bens Tue Nov 16 18:10:49 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAGNAnVY016956 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:10:49 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAGNAnWp016955 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:10:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:10:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200411162310.iAGNAnGa016951@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Oil Question. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Stupid question. What oil goes in a 1988 Range Rover Classic Transfer case. Thanks. Mark From bens Tue Nov 16 18:15:52 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAGNFqVY017179 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:15:52 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAGNFqt3017178 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:15:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:15:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200411162315.iAGNFpKd017174@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Sighting: Green 109 on 101S near Oyster Point last night Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Chris, How is the LR3 so far? I saw the new commercial for it this weekend and at the end, it has the Motor Trend SUV of the Year trophy shot in almost like an afterthought. Regardless, they were mightily impressed with the whole package. Seats made for the 95th percentile human - 6'2" 215lbs - even the far rear seats. The near BMW sedan like handling -duh. The off road prowess. Did I read it even has a center lock and locking diff's? "The future of 4WD". So much for the new Cherokee...Better than the Tou-rag - last years winner. It must be one of the least publicized Motor Trend SUV of the Year suv's in recent years. If I had a nice pile.... >>> dow@thelen.org 11/16/04 01:56PM >>> I saw a green 109 on 101S near Oyster Point last night. It needed some paint, but was tooling along just fine. I was in the LR3, so the driver probably didn't notice me :-) C From bens Tue Nov 16 21:46:56 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAH2kuVY025829 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:46:56 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAH2kuU6025828 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:46:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:46:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200411170246.iAH2ktVu025824@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Oil Question. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mark, Considering the year of Rangie, that question isn't so stupid afterall. '88-'89 were changeover years for Range Rovers: LT230 to Borg Warner, 3.5 to 3.9, and exposed front door hinges to hidden front door hinges, etc. The VIN didn't always tell you what you got! (My '89 had hints of Great Divide Edition, but the VIN didn't match) If you have the LT230 transfer case, then you use gear oil: of you have the Borg Warner, then you use Dexron/Mercon automatic transmission fluid. If you don't know which one you have - if you have to manually lock the center diff by moving the high/low lever sideways, then you have a LT230, and if you don't have to do anything, then you have the Borg Warner. I had the same headache when I got my Rangie! Charles - who, yes, happens to be picking up another '89 Rangie this weekend...(for Janet) -----Original message----- From: "Mark Pilkington" mark@skywagons.com Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:10:49 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Oil Question. > > Stupid question. What oil goes in a 1988 Range Rover Classic Transfer case. > Thanks. > Mark > From bens Wed Nov 17 01:01:58 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAH61wVY003037 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 01:01:58 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAH61waF003036 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 01:01:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 01:01:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200411170601.iAH61wiw003032@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Oil Question. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The 88 had the LT230 gear driven transfer case with mechanical diff lock -- the switch to the Borg Warner chain driven case with the viscous center diff lock started with the 89 model year. If you are interested in more details, Kevin Kelly jhas kindly contributed his model year info and I have been writing it up at http://rangerovers.net/modelspecs/index.html Cheers John John Brabyn http://rangerovers.net charles irvin wrote: From bens Wed Nov 17 09:46:47 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAHEklVY024401 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:46:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAHEklha024400 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:46:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:46:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200411171446.iAHEkl5W024396@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Twakeman" To: "Mendo" Subject: Re: Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 2 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ application/octet-stream; name="Music_MP3.scr" ] [ 418 lines filtered. ] ----------ixvhrdighyarngqsjtfo From bens Wed Nov 17 11:11:07 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAHGB6VY028232 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:11:06 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAHGB6Gt028231 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:11:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:11:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200411171611.iAHGB6hh028227@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: Oil Question. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks. I got three different responses from various experts. One was ATF, the other was engine oil and the last was EP 90 Gear oil. I have discovered since, that all are correct depending on the Transfer case and application. Mine is the LT230 and so is now full of EP 90 gear oil. The reason I changed it was to try to eliminate a booming from the drivetrain at certain throttle positions coming off or going on the gas. All the Universal joints are new. Any advice. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "charles irvin" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 6:46 PM Subject: Re: Oil Question. > > Mark, > > Considering the year of Rangie, that question isn't so stupid afterall. > > '88-'89 were changeover years for Range Rovers: LT230 to Borg Warner, 3.5 > to 3.9, and exposed front door hinges to hidden front door hinges, etc. > The VIN didn't always tell you what you got! (My '89 had hints of Great > Divide Edition, but the VIN didn't match) [ 27 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Nov 17 11:19:55 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAHGJtVY028473 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:19:55 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAHGJtuW028472 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:19:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:19:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200411171619.iAHGJtv5028468@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Oil Question. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > The reason I changed > it was to try to eliminate a booming from the drivetrain at certain > throttle > positions coming off or going on the gas. All the Universal joints are > new. > Any advice. Worn axle drive flanges? That happens frequently with Salisbury drive flanges. A very little wear seems to produce a noticeable drive line clunk. It is a reason some company's sell hardened drive flanges for Salisbury. T. J. Wakeman twakeman@cruzers.com http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Wed Nov 17 11:41:08 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAHGf7VY029567 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:41:07 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAHGf7dV029566 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:41:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:41:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200411171641.iAHGf7HW029562@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: LR3 transfercase supplier - LR geekazoid alert Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The transfer case on the new LR3 is made by Magna-Styer of Austria. Magna was a company formed in 1957. It then a quired a majority holding of Styer-Daimler-Puch in 1998. Magna -Styer AG & Co KG founded in 2001. From bens Wed Nov 17 11:47:51 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAHGlpVY029838 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:47:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAHGlpbw029837 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:47:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:47:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200411171647.iAHGloXV029833@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: Oil Question. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Not really a clunk at all, More a mechanical roar or booming at very specific road speeds and throttle settings. There is no typical clunk when shifting in and out of gear from stationary. Thanks. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 8:19 AM Subject: Re: Oil Question. > >> The reason I changed >> it was to try to eliminate a booming from the drivetrain at certain >> throttle >> positions coming off or going on the gas. All the Universal joints are >> new. >> Any advice. > > Worn axle drive flanges? That happens frequently with Salisbury drive [ 15 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Nov 17 12:49:27 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAHHnQVY032410 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:49:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAHHnQhW032409 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:49:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:49:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200411171749.iAHHnQFS032405@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Granville" To: Subject: Booming, was Re: Oil Question. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mark, I haven't previously heard of a driveline noise described as a "boom" but it's common to get a howling noise on overrun with badly worn gears, especially in the diffs. Does it specifically sound as if it's coming from the xfer box, rather than one of the diffs? Granny > Not really a clunk at all, More a mechanical roar or booming at very > specific road speeds and throttle settings. There is no typical clunk when > shifting in and out of gear from stationary. From bens Wed Nov 17 13:52:50 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAHIqoVY002860 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:52:50 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAHIqoi6002859 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:52:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:52:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200411171852.iAHIqnNk002855@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: Booming, was Re: Oil Question. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It's hard to describe the noise and where it is coming from. It is only at specific throttle settings in relation to speed. It is really when there is no over-run and no power. Just when the engine is running at the same speed as the vehicle and all the gears are relaxed. (Ever seen relaxed gears?) Anyway, the UJ's are all new. There is no movement on the prop shafts into the diffs. It does not Clunk when it goes into gear. With the transfer case cover off, no gears were worn or broken and everything looked good, nothing loose in there. Not sure if it is diffs or not. No major oil leaks and everything is full of the right oil. Bit baffling!!. It has a lift kit and big tires, but it is not tread roar. All suggestions welcome. Thanks. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Granville" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 9:49 AM Subject: Booming, was Re: Oil Question. > > Mark, > > I haven't previously heard of a driveline noise described as a "boom" but > it's common to get a howling noise on overrun with badly worn gears, > especially in the diffs. Does it specifically sound as if it's coming > from > the xfer box, rather than one of the diffs? > [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Nov 17 14:29:36 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAHJTaVY004319 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:29:36 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAHJTaE1004318 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:29:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:29:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200411171929.iAHJTZWt004314@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: how's the LR3 (was: Sighting: Green 109 on 101S near Oyster Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Eric Johnson wrote: >Chris, > > How is the LR3 so far? > The Mad Scientist can better answer that, as she's the primary driver, but.... I really like it. I've decided the back is butt ugly. I really like it the way it looks from the front. The nav system is the best I've seen (compared to Phaeton, BMW, Mercedes, and RR3). I really dig the remote control of the suspension, and look forward to being able to use that while hooking up the airstream. It's damned zippy, too, which should also come in handy with the trailer. All of the seats are comfortable, and I could be convinced to take 2-hour trip in the way-back seats. The throttle-by-wire is a little weird, but I've gotten used to it (and I don't drive it often, so it didn't take too long). It seems to even out fluctuations in the pedal, which I could see would be v. useful off road. I can't tell you how many times I've hit the accelerator pedal when going over a rock. I think it will help in that area. The voice activation works OK for me (about the same as a phone) but I think it doesn't like Leslie. As I've said before, I've developed the "talking to stupid robot" voice from using voice-activated phones for five years now. The other thing I really like is the aux jack for my iPod--although it's not as cool as the alpine thing that transfers control to the main stereo display. As far as off-road, we haven't taken it out yet, so I can't comment. It's filling the role previously held by the '96 Disco and the '94 RR, which is kid hauler/trailer puller (the 110 held the latter job for a while, but the RR was better for it--EAS?), so it's off-road use will be fairly light, but more than none. I'm sure we'll tool around Trona Pinnacles over the new year. >Did I read it even has a center lock and locking diff's? > > The center and rear diff lock (no front diff lock) can be engaged automatically. I hypothesize that the traction control system (which is really part of the ABS system) gives feedback to the (somewhat spooky) terrain response system that then uses that info to figure out if the center or rear diffs need locking. The Nav display can be switched over to a screen that shows the angle of the front wheels and indicates where ETC is engaged and whether either of the diff locks are engaged. It's a long way from the red/yellow knobs in the IIA! I think it'll take a bit more than a test lamp to debug problems in it :-) C From bens Wed Nov 17 14:52:52 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAHJqqVY005421 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:52:52 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAHJqqfr005420 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:52:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:52:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200411171952.iAHJqqCH005416@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: how's the LR3 (was: Sighting: Green 109 on 101S near Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Appreciate the update >>> dow@thelen.org 11/17/04 11:29AM >>> Eric Johnson wrote: >Chris, > > How is the LR3 so far? > The Mad Scientist can better answer that, as she's the primary driver, but.... I really like it. I've decided the back is butt ugly. I really like it the way it looks from the front. The nav system is the best I've seen (compared to Phaeton, BMW, Mercedes, and RR3). I really dig the remote control of the suspension, and look forward to being able to use that while hooking up the airstream. It's damned zippy, too, which should also come in handy with the trailer. All of the seats are comfortable, and I could be convinced to take 2-hour trip in the way-back seats. The throttle-by-wire is a little weird, but I've gotten used to it (and I don't drive it often, so it didn't take too long). It seems to even out fluctuations in the pedal, which I could see would be v. useful off road. I can't tell you how many times I've hit the accelerator pedal when going over a rock. I think it will help in that area. The voice activation works OK for me (about the same as a phone) but I think it doesn't like Leslie. As I've said before, I've developed the "talking to stupid robot" voice from using voice-activated phones for five years now. The other thing I really like is the aux jack for my iPod--although it's not as cool as the alpine thing that transfers control to the main stereo display. As far as off-road, we haven't taken it out yet, so I can't comment. It's filling the role previously held by the '96 Disco and the '94 RR, which is kid hauler/trailer puller (the 110 held the latter job for a while, but the RR was better for it--EAS?), so it's off-road use will be fairly light, but more than none. I'm sure we'll tool around Trona Pinnacles over the new year. >Did I read it even has a center lock and locking diff's? > > The center and rear diff lock (no front diff lock) can be engaged automatically. I hypothesize that the traction control system (which is really part of the ABS system) gives feedback to the (somewhat spooky) terrain response system that then uses that info to figure out if the center or rear diffs need locking. The Nav display can be switched over to a screen that shows the angle of the front wheels and indicates where ETC is engaged and whether either of the diff locks are engaged. It's a long way from the red/yellow knobs in the IIA! I think it'll take a bit more than a test lamp to debug problems in it :-) C From bens Wed Nov 17 17:50:54 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAHMosVY013075 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:50:54 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAHMossP013074 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:50:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:50:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200411172250.iAHMoseG013070@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Booming, was Re: Oil Question. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mark, Keep in mind, it is said that one of the reasons for changing over to the Borg Warner, was to reduce driveline noise. When I installed the LT230 in my Rangie, there was LOTS more noise than before. It really is noticable. Charles -----Original message----- From: "Mark Pilkington" mark@skywagons.com Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:52:50 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Booming, was Re: Oil Question. > > It's hard to describe the noise and where it is coming from. It is only at > specific throttle settings in relation to speed. It is really when there is > no over-run and no power. Just when the engine is running at the same speed > as the vehicle and all the gears are relaxed. (Ever seen relaxed gears?) > Anyway, the UJ's are all new. There is no movement on the prop shafts into > the diffs. It does not Clunk when it goes into gear. With the transfer case > cover off, no gears were worn or broken and everything looked good, nothing > loose in there. Not sure if it is diffs or not. No major oil leaks and [ 25 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Nov 17 18:15:37 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAHNFbVY014118 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:15:37 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAHNFbLb014117 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:15:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:15:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200411172315.iAHNFakN014113@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: shukait@mac.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Spam / Virus Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, Whoever has the follow ip address with aros.net is the person that's most likely infected and sending these bogus mails. I'd also venture to guess their doing it TeriAnn too. I'm guessing it's from the list as the original email was sent to landrovercpa@aol.com. If you use aros.net please check and see if your ip address is 66.219.218.152/ Please run a virus check if it's you... Thanks The original message was received at Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:02:14 -0500 (EST) from 42dbda98.dsl.aros.net [66.219.218.152] Cheers, Keith & Pam Shukait Dormobile Owner Register Email List Dormobile Owner's Club Member# 701 1967 Land Rover Series IIA NADA 6 Cylinder Dormobile "Indiana" From bens Wed Nov 17 18:53:02 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAHNr2VY015568 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:53:02 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAHNr2Tx015567 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:53:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:53:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200411172353.iAHNr175015563@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: Booming, was Re: Oil Question. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org An update on this. My wife went ski-ing today in this Rangie and called to tell me that it does not make the noise any more. A damn good clean out and new thick EP 90 must have done the trick. Thanks for all the advice though. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "charles irvin" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 2:50 PM Subject: Re: Booming, was Re: Oil Question. > > Mark, > > Keep in mind, it is said that one of the reasons for changing over to the > Borg Warner, was to reduce driveline noise. When I installed the LT230 in > my Rangie, there was LOTS more noise than before. It really is noticable. > > Charles > [ 24 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Nov 18 19:13:30 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAJ0DUVY013138 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:13:30 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAJ0DUi7013137 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:13:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:13:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200411190013.iAJ0DUaN013133@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Twakeman" To: "Mendo" Subject: Re: Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 2 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ application/octet-stream; name="Cat.com" ] [ 482 lines filtered. ] ----------djnjshlfkgtfltlzgnhy From bens Thu Nov 18 20:36:22 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAJ1aMVY016678 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:36:22 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAJ1aMXb016677 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:36:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:36:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200411190136.iAJ1aMlR016673@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Twakeman" To: "Mendo" Subject: Re: Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 2 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ application/octet-stream; name="Fish.com" ] [ 413 lines filtered. ] ----------ynhosraftguwqcrtwkry From bens Thu Nov 18 23:14:30 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAJ4EUVY023109 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:14:30 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAJ4EUkC023108 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:14:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:14:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200411190414.iAJ4ETEG023104@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Front PTO Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ebay item 4503916611 has some interesting undercarriage photos of the layout of a front PTO drive to a winch. I have never seen it quite this clearly before. On another note, is it practical to put a D90 forward facing rear seat into a Series 88? James From bens Thu Nov 18 23:28:27 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAJ4SRVY023725 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:28:27 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAJ4SRfD023724 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:28:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:28:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200411190428.iAJ4SRWQ023720@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: tomw To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Front PTO Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sharp looking vehicle, I saw it on Ebay the other day, and didn't quite notice the PTO, Then when just looking again I noticed one of the shots of the interior looks really different! It seems to be a shot of a Porsche 911 type 964 with a tiptronic, I wonder how hard that was to install in the series? :) On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 20:14, James Howard wrote: > Ebay item 4503916611 has some interesting undercarriage photos of the > layout of a front PTO drive to a winch. I have never seen it quite > this clearly before. > > On another note, is it practical to put a D90 forward facing rear seat > into a Series 88? > > James -- TomW From bens Fri Nov 19 08:01:03 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAJD13VY013994 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:01:03 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAJD13Qw013993 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:01:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:01:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200411191301.iAJD129m013989@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: bobnsueb@saber.net To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: MESSAGE COULD NOT BE DELIVERED Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ application/octet-stream; ] [ 727 lines filtered. ] charset=us-ascii Your message was undeliverable due to the following reason(s): Your message could not be delivered because the destination computer was not reachable within the allowed queue period. 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From bens Fri Nov 19 12:59:09 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAJHx9VY026449 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:59:09 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAJHx9pN026448 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:59:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:59:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200411191759.iAJHx95g026444@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: Fw: Sahara Overland 2 and Viair compressors Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org hi all, thought this advert from the boys across the pond may be of interest.... happy early holidaze.. (speaking of which, is a party in the making?) cheers, daniel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Savage Land Rover Parts" To: Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:53 AM Subject: Sahara Overland 2 and Viair compressors From bens Fri Nov 19 13:07:27 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAJI7RVY026889 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:07:27 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAJI7Rlx026888 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:07:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:07:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200411191807.iAJI7RUI026884@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: maybe this will work... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 59 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" Hi. We WILL, after many hold-ups, have the new edition of=20 Sahara Overland Edition II. We are doing free postage until the=20 end of January 2005. For more information about this much anticipated book please go=20 to www.mattsavage.com and click on the Chris Scott Sahara=20 Overland picture. Also we are now the official UK dealer for VIAIR 12 volt (and a=20 few 24 volt) compressor kits. These are fantastic pieces of kit.=20 We have the portable kits which are perfect for quickly re- inflating your tyres after off roading, and we have all the bits you=20 need to create your own on board air system. Which is useful for=20 air suspension systems, inflating tyres, simple air tools etc... Take a look at www.mattsavage.com/viair About one year ago I moved business premises, so we are now=20 located in Tansley, Derbyshire. The new address and map is on=20 the web site. At the same time we moved I got a new web address of=20 www.mattsavage.com. www.mattsavage.co.uk still works=20 though. So, if you need any VIAIR compressor kits, or you want to order=20 the new edition of Chris Scott's Sahara Overland, please call me=20 on 01629 55855 or e-mail sales@mattsavage.com I look forward to hearing from you. Very best regards, Matt Savage Matt Savage - Land Rover Parts and Equipment tel +44(0)1629 55855 fax +44(0)870 7061990 sales@mattsavage.com www.mattsavage.com From bens Fri Nov 19 14:27:58 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAJJRwVY030139 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:27:58 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAJJRwSn030138 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:27:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:27:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200411191927.iAJJRwdm030134@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Front PTO Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It is pretty sharp, although I wish they wouldn't have painted the galvanized trim. I noticed that oddball photo, too, but had no idea what it was from. On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:28:27 -0500, tomw wrote: From bens Fri Nov 19 19:04:05 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAK045VY009034 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 19:04:05 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAK0451d009033 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 19:04:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 19:04:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200411200004.iAK0455v009029@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: shukait@mac.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Spam / Virus Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Joe Mulqueen, > They keep coming and coming and coming........ > Joe M > > --- Shukait wrote: > --------------------------------- > Screen and Music > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/octet-stream > name=New_MP3_Player.scr I was hoping the person would clean their machine, but no. I tracked down the guy who's virus has hijacked my email address: 1. Did a "whois" on the ip (66.219.218.152) and it belongs to aros.net 2. Called the ISP and asked for the email address: jfilling@aros.net (wouldn't give me the guys name) 3. Fingered the email address and you get: Fillingim, Jeremy 4. 411.com the name and his address and phone number is: Jeremy Fillingim 457 Stephie Marie Ln Salt Lake City, UT 84115-3391 (801) 485-1463 Does anyone know this person? The ISP is going to contact him and ask him to run a virus check. Turns out the guy is about two miles away from Bill at Great Basin Rovers, small world. Cheers, Keith Shukait Dormobile Owner Register Email List Dormobile Owner's Club Member# 701 1967 Land Rover Series IIA NADA 6 Cylinder Dormobile "Indiana" From bens Sat Nov 20 12:16:55 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAKHGtVY022348 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:16:55 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAKHGtLP022347 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:16:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:16:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200411201716.iAKHGsZV022343@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Michael Samuels" To: Subject: Re: late series lla doorlatch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org hi all, anyone have a late lla drivers doorlatch for rat's nest? michael samuels www.oldrover.com From bens Sat Nov 20 19:40:43 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAL0ehVY008478 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 19:40:43 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAL0ehbH008477 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 19:40:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 19:40:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200411210040.iAL0eg0d008473@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Twakeman" To: "Mendo" Subject: Re: Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 2 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ application/octet-stream; name="Dog.scr" ] [ 418 lines filtered. ] ----------cvdmlkwvyprwwnbvnabh From bens Sun Nov 21 09:21:37 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iALELbVY015859 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 09:21:37 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iALELbNJ015858 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 09:21:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 09:21:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200411211421.iALELaMe015854@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Bob and Sue B To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cc: "Michael Samuels" Subject: Re: late series lla doorlatch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, Which side? And why would you need one with all the hulks you have in the woods? Cheers, Bob B At 12:16 PM 11/20/2004 -0500, you wrote: >hi all, anyone have a late lla drivers doorlatch for rat's nest? michael >samuels www.oldrover.com From bens Sun Nov 21 18:29:53 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iALNTrVY005575 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 18:29:53 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iALNTrGe005574 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 18:29:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 18:29:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200411212329.iALNTrus005570@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Twakeman" To: "Mendo" Subject: Re: Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 2 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ application/octet-stream; name="Cool_MP3.scr" ] [ 439 lines filtered. ] ----------fsbcqpqsxqcctheiasvo From bens Sun Nov 21 20:28:12 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAM1SCVY010528 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:28:12 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAM1SCgv010527 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:28:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:28:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200411220128.iAM1SBbw010523@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Re: Front PTO Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It IS a pretty nice truck, EXCEPT, who would restore a truck but leave that exposed original, eroded away, spliced wire harness under the LF footwell? Alot of headlight current goes thru those wires... Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From bens Sun Nov 21 20:40:59 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAM1exVY011151 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:40:59 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAM1exVR011150 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:40:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:40:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200411220140.iAM1ex7L011146@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: SCLR garage sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I spied this for anyone who may be in Los Angeles in a few weeks... Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW >>>>>Save the date...SCLR's Holiday Garage SALE! Saturday, December 11th (10am-1pm) Hornberg Land Rover on Olympic Blvd and Centinela in West LA. NOW is your chance to get the un-used/new LAND ROVER parts collecting hair balls out of the garage/attic and onto someones rig. Just think how happy your wife/friend/partner/dog will be when they see you packing your old suspension parts,roof racks,lights,bumpers,tires,etc. into your Rover...and returning with a couple $'s in your pocket. Hornberg will host with a lunch and some LR3's and new Range Rovers to check out.<<<<<<<<< __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From bens Mon Nov 22 01:20:48 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAM6KmVY024119 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 01:20:48 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAM6Km5u024118 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 01:20:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 01:20:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200411220620.iAM6Kl1G024114@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Off Road Photos Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Someone posted the link below with some good Moab photos (including a newer Range Rover off road). Kevin http://www.lrcsd.com/Photos/2003_Moab/2003_moab.html From bens Mon Nov 22 13:35:27 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAMIZRVY022427 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:35:27 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAMIZRWK022426 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:35:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:35:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200411221835.iAMIZQSZ022422@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Daniel E. Smith" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Off Road Photos Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org WOW! Take a look at that black 90...it looks great without the "Wannabe Jeep" accents...alloy wheels & fender flares. Rover should have let Jeep and Toyota go their way, but I guess that's where the $$$ are. Oh well. Daniel __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From bens Mon Nov 22 15:39:17 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAMKdHVY027452 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:39:17 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAMKdHoC027451 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:39:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:39:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200411222039.iAMKdHEq027447@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Truckhaven trip report Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This past Saturday I went to "Truckhaven" with some Socal Landrover owners. Truckhaven is a desert area west of Salton Sea with heavily gullied canyons adjacent. Lots of quick ups/downs with severe break over points...not a good place if carrying a bonnet mounted spare! In attendance were 2 Classics (one with cutaway body), 2 Discos, 2 Series and one D90. The Classics and Discos were most trail used so those guys lead the charge to articulate while the series trucks and the 90 guy often held back searching for the occasional bypass option. The trip was cut short early Sunday with driving wind and rain to the point of normally dry washes flowing water. On my return back to San Diego, went thru Julian and encountered some snow. I have a collage file if anyone wants to see a few pics. Cheers, Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bens Mon Nov 22 15:47:00 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAMKl0VY027875 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:47:00 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAMKl0Jj027874 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:47:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:46:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200411222046.iAMKkx6e027870@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Benjamin Allan Smith" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Truckhaven trip report Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200411222039.iAMKdHEq027447@coriana6.fourfold.org>you wrote: > This past Saturday I went to "Truckhaven" with some > Socal Landrover owners. Truckhaven is a lot of fun. The first time that I wheeled with SCLR was there. It's a mad house the one time I showed up for a "little" trip with a friend's Jeep club and found a 1000 vehicle Easter Jeep Safari in progress. It was odd to find Truckhaven since from 1990 to 2000 I was wheeling regularly on the NE side of the Salton Sea area. > The trip was cut short > early Sunday with driving wind and rain to the point > of normally dry washes flowing water. That would have been a site to see. I've never seen that part of the desert wet! Ben From bens Mon Nov 22 18:42:04 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAMNg4VY002803 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:42:04 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAMNg4wK002802 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:42:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:42:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200411222342.iAMNg4E8002798@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Truckhaven trip report Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org when I saw the subject line and from line, I figured Ben drove out for the weekend and just got home. But no, he just misses the place. Guess he'll be changing his stale cookie and jolt sig line. hope you're well and the freezer's full, On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Benjamin Allan Smith wrote: > > In message <200411222039.iAMKdHEq027447@coriana6.fourfold.org>you wrote: > > > This past Saturday I went to "Truckhaven" with some > > Socal Landrover owners. > > Truckhaven is a lot of fun. The first time that I wheeled with > SCLR was there. It's a mad house the one time I showed up for a "little" > trip with a friend's Jeep club and found a 1000 vehicle Easter Jeep Safari [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens Tue Nov 23 09:23:40 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iANENeVY008058 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:23:40 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iANENeYx008057 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:23:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:23:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200411231423.iANENdm9008053@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Benjamin Allan Smith" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Truckhaven trip report Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200411222342.iAMNg4E8002798@coriana6.fourfold.org>you wrote: > when I saw the subject line and from line, I figured Ben drove out for the > weekend and just got home. But no, he just misses the place. Guess he'll > be changing his stale cookie and jolt sig line. Domesticated Ben doesn't travel as much as Ben in the wild. I do have an upcoming run to Ottawa, Canada (only 400 miles each way--it was 20% farther from Ridgecrest to Mendo) to pick up a SIIA 109 3 door that I'm going to add to the collection. That is slated for the weekend of 18 Dec. Since I'll have the trailer there may be a side run to find the remains of an 80" that had a last known position in 200 square km of bush 20ish years ago. I'm trying to convince Christina, who doesn't like plane and has never been on one, that it would be a good idea to do a cross country run this year to see the country. Maybe time it to fit in with Mendo, but those negotiations are still in progress. Mostly I've been busy building the barn. Friday I welded up 4 of the columns to thier base plates and top plates. Saturday was lifting the 6 I-beams into place with the chain hoist. Sunday was killed by a ski patrol first aid refresher at West Point. Monday the wood arrived. The truck got as far across the lawn as he could and dumped his load when he got stuck. Of course we have lots of rain in the forcast so after a short storm last night Dad, Christina and I shifted about 1/4 of the load to cinderblocks in the barn shell. Murphy's law is in effect--the pieces that I needed first are on the bottom of the load. This weekend I'll be moving the load, aligning the steel bits, welding the last column, drilling holes and bolting the beams up. Then I can start in with lifting the wood 10 feet up and nailing it together. The following weekend some LROs are scheduled to show up and we're going to try to get the roof on. In a sick moment last night Dad suggest that I calculate what this thing weights and by inference how much material that I've hauled by hand. Starting with 2300 blocks at 40lbs each is 46 tonnes... From Saturday: (image = 780k) http://www.fourfold.org/bens/Barn/DSCN1913.JPG From when I was finishing the walls on 24 Oct: (image = 425k) http://www.fourfold.org/bens/Barn/DSCN1761.JPG If you are really interested the look in the Barn directory for too many photos of the construction to date. Ben From bens Tue Nov 23 10:43:35 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iANFhZVY011389 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:43:35 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iANFhZEQ011388 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:43:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:43:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200411231543.iANFhZZv011384@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Truckhaven trip report Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks for the update. Going to to make the 109 3 door into a teriann dormobile, or pu? cheers, > From Saturday: (image = 780k) > http://www.fourfold.org/bens/Barn/DSCN1913.JPG > > From when I was finishing the walls on 24 Oct: (image = 425k) > > http://www.fourfold.org/bens/Barn/DSCN1761.JPG > > If you are really interested the look in the Barn directory for > too many photos of the construction to date. [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby", 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" (for sale), 2004 Honda Element "Ellie?" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2000 custom fixed gear (I built the frame), 2004 Steve Rex (done!) ours: 2005 Steve Rex tandem (coming) From bens Tue Nov 23 11:08:27 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iANG8RVY012475 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:08:27 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iANG8Rqd012474 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:08:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:08:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200411231608.iANG8QI4012470@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Benjamin Allan Smith" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Truckhaven trip report Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200411231543.iANFhZZv011384@coriana6.fourfold.org>you wrote: > Thanks for the update. Going to to make the 109 3 door into a teriann > dormobile, or pu? PU. But first I'd need to find a PU top. And there are 3 rebuilds ahead of it in queue anyway. So most likely it will just get running and then be used around the property for a few years. Ben From bens Tue Nov 23 13:01:49 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iANI1nVY017495 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:01:49 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iANI1nwV017494 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:01:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:01:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200411231801.iANI1njH017490@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Benjamin Allan Smith" To: mendo_recce@coriana6.fourfold.org Subject: test Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org List test to make sure that I didn't break code. Please ignore Ben From bens Tue Nov 23 13:21:29 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iANILTVY018387 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:21:29 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iANILTV4018386 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:21:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:21:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200411231821.iANILTQo018382@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: test Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org OK, it works. I added a filter to remove the emails from TeriAnn that weren't from TeriAnn. Ben On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:01:49 -0500, Benjamin Allan Smith wrote: From bens Tue Nov 23 15:58:18 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iANKwIVY027245 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:58:18 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iANKwIfM027244 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:58:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:58:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200411232058.iANKwH2Z027240@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: test Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > OK, it works. I added a filter to remove the emails from TeriAnn that > weren't from TeriAnn. Oh THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!!!!!!!!! T. J. Wakeman 1960 Land Rover 109 Dormobile owned since 1978 1961 Triumph TR3A owned since 1986, the new car From bens Tue Nov 23 20:07:46 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAO17kVY005306 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:07:46 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAO17k3i005305 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:07:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:07:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200411240107.iAO17kUv005301@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Land Rover "VentureCam" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org When I was down in Australia one of the dealers gave me a brochure for the 2005 Range Rover with a photo of the "VentureCam" that will be available on the new Range Rover that has a LR3 style video screen on the dash (that shows what direction the wheels are pointing). I'm wondering if the VentureCam will be available on the LR3... Kevin The Range Rover´s unique Land Rover VentureCamT is an optional wireless video camera that can transmit a live colour picture from anywhere around the vehicle. Its pictures appear on the facia-mounted touch screen, from where it can also be controlled. Rugged and waterproof, it has red LED lighting for use in the dark. With its powerful suction mount it opens up a multitude of possible applications. http://www.landrover.com/gb/en/Vehicles/Range_Rover/Interior/Range_Rover_information_and_entertainment.htm From bens Tue Nov 23 23:15:12 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAO4FCVY013020 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:15:12 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAO4FCoT013019 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:15:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:15:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200411240415.iAO4FBRI013015@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Aidan McLeer" To: Subject: Re: Land Rover "VentureCam" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It is supposed to be coming, along with the icebox in the center consul storage box in the LR3 Later Aidan Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail, Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying "Dude, that was awesome " http://community.webshots.com/user/auditech ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 5:07 PM Subject: Land Rover "VentureCam" > > When I was down in Australia one of the dealers gave me a brochure for the > 2005 Range Rover with a photo of the "VentureCam" that will be available > on > the new Range Rover that has a LR3 style video screen on the dash (that > shows what direction the wheels are pointing). I'm wondering if the > VentureCam will be available on the LR3... > > Kevin [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Nov 25 14:53:22 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAPJrMVY018397 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 14:53:22 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAPJrMer018396 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 14:53:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 14:53:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200411251953.iAPJrLSb018392@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo rec list Subject: Moving sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/enriched; ] [ 59 lines filtered. ] --Apple-Mail-2-698794570 charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Moving sale - Aptos, near Santa Cruz CA. No reasonable offer refused. - heavy duty engine stand - Back pack & pup tent canvas pack with aluminum frame, padded shoulder & hip straps, rain cover. This was a high end state of the art pack in the mid 1960's Comes with a nylon 2 person pup tent - Big aquarium with wood stand Land Rover related: - 109 2-door hard top sides with windows - diff protector - Pile of old land Rover magazines including 50th year & Range Rover anniversary issues. These are free for the taking. Triumph related: - Set of four knock off style 15" alloy wheels with good rubber mounted - TR3A cylinder head with valves installed - used stock cam in good condition - used undented reproduction TR3A front grill Probably more as I continue to excavate T. J. Wakeman twakeman@cruzers.com http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 --Apple-Mail-2-698794570 From bens Fri Nov 26 18:22:58 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAQNMwVY022232 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 18:22:58 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAQNMwWb022231 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 18:22:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 18:22:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200411262322.iAQNMvTN022227@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RR Air suspension ? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ok so for the past few weeks the RR has been seeming to lean to the left. I havn't had time to do anything but just assumed a sensor was failing or needed recalibration. After hooking the utility trailer up to the RR full of a Palm tree I cut down, I then noticed the air suspension was not compensating for the extra weight. There suspension lights were acting fine, but it would not raise or lower, and the compressor was not running. After checking the ON/Off switch under the passenger seat I found it in the off position. Remembering I switched it off to put on the new mud flaps, a month ago. So my question is how bad for the compressor is it not to run for a month? We drove it ~3-4 times per week, and it made a trip to the bay area with the suspension turned off. I guess the good news is all the lines and bags hold air really well. Does the compressor need to run frequently to keep it lubricated or something. I was thinking leave it off while around town, and turn it back on every other week or so to extend the life of the compressor? Bad idea? -Rob From bens Fri Nov 26 21:12:15 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAR2CEVY029244 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 21:12:14 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAR2CE2C029243 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 21:12:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 21:12:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200411270212.iAR2CEf4029239@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Aidan McLeer" To: Subject: Re: RR Air suspension ? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Prefer to leave things run as they tend to degrade when not used Later Aidan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 3:22 PM Subject: RR Air suspension ? > > Ok so for the past few weeks the RR has been seeming to lean to the left. > I havn't had time to do anything but just assumed a sensor was failing or > needed recalibration. After hooking the utility trailer up to the RR full > of a Palm tree I cut down, I then noticed the air suspension was not > compensating for the extra weight. There suspension lights were acting > fine, but it would not raise or lower, and the compressor was not running. > After checking the ON/Off switch under the passenger seat I found it in > the off position. Remembering I switched it off to put on the new mud [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Nov 26 22:16:12 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAR3GCVY031879 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 22:16:12 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAR3GCxt031878 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 22:16:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 22:16:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200411270316.iAR3GCMX031874@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Moving sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi TeriAnn, I would be interested in the Range Rover anniversary issue, if still available. Hope the move is going well Cheers John TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: From bens Fri Nov 26 22:31:20 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAR3VKVY032505 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 22:31:20 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAR3VKwH032504 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 22:31:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 22:31:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200411270331.iAR3VJWV032500@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: New Australian D110 and D130 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org When I was in Australia I snapped a few photos of a brand new D110 and D130 at the Land Rover dealer in Cairns (including some close ups of the wolf wheels and the OEM front steering protectors that I have only seen in parts manuals). Below is a link to an ofoto album: Kevin http://www.ofoto.com/BrowsePhotos.jsp?&collid=267550970203 From bens Sat Nov 27 01:25:03 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAR6P2VY008584 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 01:25:02 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAR6P2XK008583 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 01:25:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 01:25:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200411270625.iAR6P2lD008579@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Theodore&Solange Bennett_ APG" To: Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1465 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 257 lines filtered. ] charset="Windows-1252" On Sun Oct 24 04 TerriAnn Wakeman (USA) wrote "...I would be happy to = trail with you long distance=20 on your grounds just to compare camping & travel styles. I could = probably learn a lot from it. Maybe cross the continent and back or a = lap around it? ..." Thank you kindly for that, TerriAnn. (We;re just back from a 3,000 klick = south-west-nor-west journey beyond The Alice in Centralia - hence the = delay in sighting, responding to your post.) We'd be delighted to have you along on any journey here Downunder - or = the adjacent, neighbouring E Asian jungles. In deference to your = attitude to altitude, we'll leave the mountains out of any "born-again = Camel Safaris" unless you want to challenge the peaks as well! Similarly, a north-south Oz adventure Arafua Sea-Gulf of Carpentaria to = the Tasman, Great Southern Ocean would need take in the High Country - = to where we've just returned - and the Snowy Mountains.=20 Maybe, we'll head across East to West - Pacific to Indian Oceans through = the jungle, savannah, deserts - Great Barrier Reef to Barrier Reef. But = there'll be no "trails". We don't have 'em! There are a few "tracks", = but mostly in the interior we go by map and compass - with a little help = at times from a GPS. These were once a great novelty, but like digital = cameras, we don't rely on them for good reason. Should we ever get the resources we'll gladly fund your trip over on one = of our merchant marine vessels. Best you put the Dormobile on the ship, = and you fly across the pond. You'll need at least a month here. Don;t worry too much about extra = communications and retrieval kit, we'll supply this. (What vehicle to = vehicle and vehicle to outpost and (flying doctor or other emergency = service if you have these) radio communication, EPIRBs do you use there? = Our basics are UHF transceivers vehicle to vehicle, and HF transceivers = vehicles to station outposts. Satphones are a fallback, but not as = convenient as transceiver radios. Nor, like GPS systems, as reliable.)=20 Thanks for the "L3" translation. I trie a Disco out in Borneo about 10 = years ago. I didn't much like it. If I had to choose between the two = Solihull "plushies" I'd take the Rangie. Interesting here in the Outback = you encounter mostly Land Rover 130s (the twin cab ute LWB Series = Defender) and modified Rangies. Discos seem happier back in the = civilised 'Burbs.=20 I'd wondered, a bit, why this was and thought it must havebeen the way = Land Rover's marketing gurus pushed the product, given that 4WD profits = in most Western countries come fom sales to people who never go off = road, or at best only occasionally leave the black top to travel = relatively short distances on graded dirt or gravel tracks. Your observation makes good analysis: the Disco is not versatile. It = doesn't have the space for outback travel, let alone a square edge for a = dingo to stand on. All interior space has ben taken up. This was the feeling I had in the driver's seat clawing up Mt Kinabalu = in Sabah. We were carrying less essenial gear than the accompanying 88s = and 90s. The only "plushie" that had any interior space for fuel, spares = and stuff was a Range-Cruiser, an eclectic vehicle that had been cobbled = together from a Range Rover chassis and running gear, and a Toyota Land = Cruiser body after the owner had rolled his previously pristine = RangeRover down the same mountain we were climbing. He'd sensibly, but = uncharacteristically for a native Pagan, left most of the Cruiser = interior out, replacing it with basic Series seats and rubber mats. The = contraption would never have passed any of the many Oz registration and = licensing regs, but in a country where bamboo rules and cars are fuelled = with palm oil, who was there to care! We'd love to have you here. Seeing your own country through someone = else's eyes is always a great learning experience. I'd like to share = your driving and retrieval experiences, techniques. Apart from = preferring waterproof swags to the comfort ofinbuilt beds, our camping = lifestyles sound near identical. We take nothing but photographs, try = not to leave footprints, even - although we prefer to bury 'healthy' = human waste than use chemical lavatories, and there are in reserves, = parks, solar-powered long drop lavatories that break down human waste = solids before reutrning these to the ground. Your description of making camp is seductive. I can relate, especially = the (chilled?) glass of wine. We usually look for a billabong to chill = the whites. How is it you guys make camp after sundown? I know that there are times = when it's difficult, but we always allow at least 40 or so minutes of = daylight to find a site, gather dead and fallen wood, cart water, build = fire and cooking site, earth oven, and set up camp. More time if we need = it for repairs. Your shower must be a luxury. These are useful in the rainfall areas, = but extra weight in the deserts here. We always wait until we find a = soak hole, an artesian well or springs; swimming, hot water bathing. What weapons, if any do you carry - apart from the usual tomahawks and = camp knives? Do you hunt food if necessary? Rabbits? How do you cope = with aggressive animals such as bear? We are always snake and crocodile = aware, preferring to leave snakes unmolested - and careful not to camp = too long near estuaries where saltwater crocs pose omnipresent threat. = The rule of thumb here, literally, is to use your thumbs in a croc's = eyes if it grabs you. A heavy calibre handgun is a handy last resort, = but mostly we don't carry firearms. Do you fish along the way? Lines? Hand spears? We live off the land, bush tucker, although I draw the line at witchetty = grubs. About the only animal I'd resort to killing would be a rabbit or = a wildcat. They're pests in the bush. Aboriginals hunt kangaroos and = buffalo, but I'm content to be vegetarian for weeks, and for convenience = dried foodstuffs take up little room. I'd like to read some time your best, worst, memorable experiences with = camp cooking, food, injuries, medicine on the trail, how you've coped, = survived. =20 Thank you for explaining your Dormobile set-up. Impressive. Well thought = out. A credit to you. Why did you choose propane gas for cooking? We use = my old Army petrol stove. It's lighter and runs very hot, using just = about any sort of liquid fuel from low to high octane, but anything that = powers a Land Rover or a helo. I laughed, and sympathised, with you at your final straw stove under the = tarp anecdote. I've done the same thing with the petrol stove. Exciting! I guess you'd have images of your Dormobile set up? Are they on a = website? If so, what is the url please? So, grab a geography atlas, pick a few co-ordinates, plan a journeyand = we'll hopeto publish big enough some day to fund your journey Downunder. = (Those sanladders will be very handy.) Meanwhile, you've set me thinking. Maybe it's time we tested the water = here to see if there are any similar spirited Aussies willing to extend = this Coalition of the Willing stuff and share something more valuable = with you guys than all this military stuff we seem to have been doing = together for a century or so - at least our military take Land Rovers = into battle!!! (Thankfully so because it means there are lots of good = quality used Milspecs Series and Defender Land Rovers here as well as = the bits you need to keep 'em going. Haven't sen any cam-painted = Dormobiles, but!) If we can find the support, money, we'll seriously think about joining = you guys on a Mendo or a Mojave or a Goodnight and Loving Trail or a = Rubicon sometime soon. After all, we have out 'BLoody Knuckles Pub' badges and membership, so = it's about time we went somewhere the people know what these mean!=20 Cheers, - Theo. S2A 109 Limestone Safari SW S3 88 Green Ute Riley 4/68 Farina sedan From bens Sat Nov 27 11:52:50 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iARGqoVY001450 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 11:52:50 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iARGqoGY001449 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 11:52:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 11:52:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200411271652.iARGqoA1001445@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Moving sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...Have 'ya got the rest of the TR3 engine??? (aside from the one IN the TR3) Charles -----Original message----- From: TeriAnn Wakeman twakeman@cruzers.com Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:53:22 -0800 To: mendo rec list mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Moving sale > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/enriched; ] > [ 59 lines filtered. ] > > --Apple-Mail-2-698794570 > charset=US-ASCII; > format=flowed > [ 34 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Nov 27 12:09:18 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iARH9IVY002063 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:09:18 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iARH9IKn002062 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:09:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:09:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200411271709.iARH9I0x002058@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: 4x4 Sales in Australia Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org While I was in Australia I posted that I did not see many Land Rovers compared to Toyotas. I was just reading an "Auto Trader" type magazine I brought home called "Just 4x4s" and found a page with Australian 4x4 sales for August 2004: Land Rover total sales in Australia for the month of August 278 Defender Station Wagon 13 Defender Utility 7 Freelander 33 Range Rover 37 Discovery 188 Toyota total truck sales in Australia for the month of August 5,696 RAV4 997 Landcruiser Prado/Kluger (sold as a Lexus GX470 in the US) 1,858 Landcruiser 100 (The Landcruiser sold in the US) 1,180 Toyota HiLux (sold as the Tacoma in the US) 1,101 Toyota Landcruiser Utility (a Defender type truck never sold in the US) 560 Kevin From bens Sat Nov 27 12:36:02 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iARHa2VY003278 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:36:02 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iARHa24X003277 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:36:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:36:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200411271736.iARHa1eG003273@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Moving sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > ...Have 'ya got the rest of the TR3 engine??? (aside from the one IN > the TR3) The head is from the engine in the TR3A. I went to a TR4A head when I went to the DCOEs. About a year ago I sent a message off to the LR & TR mail lists about stuff when I was going a major cleaning in the storage shed. Didn't get bite one that last time & ended up taking a 109 load of TR3 & series LR parts off to metal recycling. Right now all the TR and LR spares each fit into 2 tote boxes plus the following: TRA front grille (for sale), TR3A cylinder head (for sale) set of Lucas driving lamps, set of four alloy knock of wheels & tyres (sorta for sale - I really do not want to sell them but may need additional moving money), LR SII, front grille, left front wing panel, SIII left inner wing panel (still in factory shipping carton), tail gate, a single frame for a Dormobile rear side window screen, a set of new rear brake shoes that did not fit into the tote boxes and the sides to a 109 2-door hard top (for sale and more likely to go to the recyclers than make the move) and a slightly used undented diff protector (for sale). Being a renter in a house that has been on the market for about 12-13 years I didn't want to build up too big of a pile of possessions. T. J. Wakeman 1960 Land Rover 109 Dormobile owned since 1978 1961 Triumph TR3A owned since 1986, the new car From bens Sun Nov 28 23:05:07 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAT457VY029458 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 23:05:07 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAT457lU029457 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 23:05:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 23:05:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200411290405.iAT456T8029453@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Cliff A Watts To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: NCRC Party Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The "not updated since March" web site shows a party Saturday December 11. Will it happen? Where, when etc? Cliff ________________________________________________________________ Juno Platinum $9.95. Juno SpeedBand $14.95. Sign up for Juno Today at http://www.juno.com! Look for special offers at Best Buy stores. From bens Mon Nov 29 00:27:30 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAT5RUVY001772 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 00:27:30 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAT5RUdF001771 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 00:27:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 00:27:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200411290527.iAT5RUhl001767@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: RE: NCRC Party Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 21 lines filtered. ] I have not been made aware of any holiday events that NCRC is holding this season. I guess I should remove the reference to one on the website... Jason From bens Mon Nov 29 00:54:00 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAT5s0VY003204 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 00:54:00 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAT5s00a003203 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 00:54:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 00:54:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200411290554.iAT5s0qp003199@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: RE: NCRC Party Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Why not call a horse a horse. NCRC is not really an active club anymore. Yes, Eric does host the blue trip each year and I am sure he would continue to do so with or without NCRC. I say this, so we don't have an illusion about the club. This way people joining do not get the LORA feeling. (like when I joined it. No event. Two newsletters and bunch fun emails about money and Mike.) I can go on, but I leave it to others. Last year I made it on the trail twice. Once at Mendo and the other with few mendo, NCRC and non-mendo&NCRC folks to Downieville. I mention this, because we can just post things and see who is interested and get something going. ------------------------------------------------------- [ 21 lines filtered. ] I have not been made aware of any holiday events that NCRC is holding this season. I guess I should remove the reference to one on the website... Jason From bens Mon Nov 29 11:20:25 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iATGKPVY029552 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:20:25 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iATGKPbV029551 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:20:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:20:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200411291620.iATGKPhx029547@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: RR Air suspension ? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org How do you know when your compressor is running? I can't even hear ours unless we are at idle with the radio off and a window open. Anyway, a month without running is probably no big deal, but I would leave it on just as a matter of principle. On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 18:22:57 -0500, Kerner, Rob wrote: From bens Mon Nov 29 11:23:58 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iATGNwVY029579 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:23:58 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iATGNwDO029578 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:23:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:23:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200411291623.iATGNwvo029574@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: NCRC Party Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ application/ms-tnef; ] [ 46 lines filtered. ] charset="Windows-1252" I would not disagree with Mehdi. Why not call a horse a horse. NCRC is not really an active club = anymore.=20 There is one more newsletter done, that should be posted to the web = site, and possibly printed. =20 I too will continue to attend, and possibly host a trip as time permits. = I guess my primary focus will be to continue to keep the NCRC adopted = trail clear when requested. I am sure with the properly motivated leadership the club could prosper. = No intentional dig at any current leadership as we appreciate all that = has been done for the club. -Rob=20 From bens Mon Nov 29 14:04:12 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iATJ4CVY003799 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:04:12 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iATJ4CEL003798 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:04:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:04:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200411291904.iATJ4BID003794@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Shannon Holland To: Mendo Recce Subject: Spam from Red Rhino Products Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anyone else getting spammed by Red Rhino Products? Unfortunately they used my main email address so I can't really tell where they got it from (I always give out personal email addresses off my shannonholland.com domain to help in tracking email address sales). Any ideas as to where they bought their email list from? Ugh, I hate spam! Only time spam is good is when you're on about day 5 of a backpacking trip and just finished a climb up some ungodly hill. Then spam is mighty tasty! Shannon From bens Mon Nov 29 14:10:42 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iATJAgVY004209 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:10:42 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iATJAg8g004208 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:10:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:10:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200411291910.iATJAgr7004204@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. NCRC Party Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I suggest a venue where food is $10-20 max/person and drinks are left to individual. One place that comes to mind is that pub (name?) in Campbell. Lots of room and live music too. Anyone else have a suggestion? Regards, Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW San Diego Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 23:05:06 -0500 From: Cliff A Watts Subject: NCRC Party The "not updated since March" web site shows a party Saturday December 11. Will it happen? Where, when etc? Cliff __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From bens Mon Nov 29 14:15:38 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iATJFcVY004422 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:15:38 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iATJFcI3004421 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:15:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:15:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200411291915.iATJFbou004417@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: RE: Spam from Red Rhino Products Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This has been discussed on Discoweb, http://www.discoweb.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3821 From: Shannon Holland [mailto:holland@loser.net] Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 2:04 PM To: Mendo Recce Subject: Spam from Red Rhino Products Anyone else getting spammed by Red Rhino Products? Unfortunately they used my main email address so I can't really tell where they got it from (I always give out personal email addresses off my shannonholland.com domain to help in tracking email address sales). Any ideas as to where they bought their email list from? Ugh, I hate spam! Only time spam is good is when you're on about day 5 of a backpacking trip and just finished a climb up some ungodly hill. Then spam is mighty tasty! Shannon From bens Mon Nov 29 14:22:17 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iATJMHVY004685 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:22:17 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iATJMHLO004684 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:22:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:22:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200411291922.iATJMGtG004680@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: "<" Subject: Off-Topic - Speedvision.....Vintage Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anyone see Speedvision last Saturday? From late afternoon on into the evening, they started off with a highlight show of the big vintage race from England. It was at some big racetrack, but not Silverstone. Motorcycles, included. These guys weren't having a "Gentlemans Race" like at the Monterey Historics, the leaders at least, were really pushing the old cars. Old cars meaning up thru the mid-60's. That was followed by a Jeepers Jamboree highlight show from earlier this year. No Rover sighting in the group. It did have one stock WWII jeep that made it thru, a couple of Toyota FJ's and a Toyota truck/Four Runner. Every one had bigger than stock tires, the bigger the better. 37's seem to be the preferred size, with appropriate mods to the vehicles. Looks like a 3-day dust fest. Too many rigs. Too many rookies. Too many roll-overs. Some guys coming down Sluice Box at 10:30 at night. Yikes. Next was a show that featured all the most important cars produced by Jaguar . They started to get a reputation by putting upgraded bodies on Austin 7's. It was called the Swallow Coach works or some such. So you had the Austin/Swallows. The first Jag roadster was the 90, followed by the 100. Then WW2, then the XK-120. All the C-types, D-types, long-nose, short-nose, wide-angle heads, magnesium body, etc. I thought the highlight was a car Jag was going to run in the 1965(?) Le Mans 24 hour(Hey, I could run my S2A Robert Davis Powered 3.0L Mercruiser) It was the XK-13. V-12 Lucas fuel injection mid-engine under glass, The most gorgeous Jag I've ever seen.. Right before the race, the governing body changed the rules and had a max. displacement of 3.0 L. So Jag only made 1. Like a cross between a Ferrari and Maserati. Unbelievable. Lastly, before some NASCAR junk, was highlights of a rock crawler event up around Sugar Bowel, just off I-80. Lots of jeeps with BIG tires and several custom built rigs. A few roll-overs. Nothing from T. Cooper. From bens Mon Nov 29 14:38:09 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iATJc9VY005409 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:38:09 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iATJc96W005408 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:38:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:38:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200411291938.iATJc8qW005404@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Spam from Red Rhino Products Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Nov 29, 2004, at 11:15 AM, Jon Turner wrote: > This has been discussed on Discoweb, > http://www.discoweb.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3821 > > Well sounds like he's been getting around then! No one had much of an idea as to where he got the email addresses. He apparently claims to have farmed them from the web. If true, maybe he got me from the old d90 list (that's the only rover list I'm on that had public archives as far as I know). Shannon From bens Mon Nov 29 14:41:36 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iATJfaVY005620 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:41:36 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iATJfadR005619 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:41:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:41:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200411291941.iATJfaB7005615@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Granville" To: Subject: Re: Spam from Red Rhino Products Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Discussion on the Disco Web is somewhat amusing. On top of everything else said about him, I'm much bothered by his being in Florida, home of mass quantities of shady businesses. I e-mailed him asking how he got my address, who he is, what he's about, etc. FWIW, he replied: Thanks for your response and for checking out our website. Most of the people that I email I have someway or other talked to or messaged back and forth with on a message board or Yahoo group so that is probably where I received you address. If you do not want to receive any other emails from Red Rhino I will gladly remove you from my list. Red Rhino just kind of appeared over night really. I have been into Rovers for years and started buying and selling parts and things just got bigger and bigger and I became more involved in the community. I was a team leader for the USA to Belize Expedition this year and am racing in the Adventure Team Challenge in 2005 and in 2006 the Australian Outback Challenge. Things have just kind of blow up and I have been working on the website for about 120 days nows. My plan is to form Red Rhino into an International Brand, not just a company. We have a lot of plans, big dreams and empty pockets and could use help by way of recommendations or advertising from anyone who would be willing to help us out. From bens Mon Nov 29 15:46:03 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iATKk2VY008477 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:46:02 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iATKk2fv008476 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:46:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:46:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200411292046.iATKk2Df008472@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: NCRC Party Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So, what has happened to the off-roading LR scene in the last few years? I saw that attendence at mendo has been dwindling. I'm seeing reports that NCRC is inactive. Is it just that people have all collectively gotten busy and gone off into other interests? Or has the group just splintered and is off in many small groups making their own private trips? (Like Granville mentioned in an email not too long back). Or are the main organizers off doing their own thing now instead of via the club. Or does the club just need a fresh burst of enthusiasm to get going again? It seems to me that the mendo list has gotten quieter over the past year. I"m on the remote side so it's hard for me to tell. Ben On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 00:54:00 -0500, Mehdi Saghafi wrote: From bens Mon Nov 29 16:06:41 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iATL6fVY009399 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:06:41 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iATL6frV009398 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:06:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:06:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200411292106.iATL6eVm009394@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Riston" To: Subject: RE: NCRC Party Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 32 lines filtered. ] Well as a event supporter most events from coast to coast have been getting smaller since 2001. It seems to be a common gripe of the clubs that I speak to year after year. Eric Eric (231) Riston Retail Sales Team Leader Senior Retail Sales Rep----over 10 years experience North American Land Rover club liaison 1-800-533-2210 ext 231 http://www.dustybrand.com/view.asp?idAffiliate=536 From bens Mon Nov 29 16:24:07 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iATLO7VY010100 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:24:07 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iATLO79U010099 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:24:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:24:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200411292124.iATLO66w010095@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Benjamin Allan Smith" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: NCRC Party Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Eric Riston wrote: > Well as a event supporter most events from coast to coast have been > getting smaller since 2001. It seems to be a common gripe of the clubs > that I speak to year after year. That is interesting to hear. You've probably have one of the best over all view compared to those in specific geographies. From my point of view when I left CA in 2000 all had been growing from 1995 to then. The Solihull Society rally in 2001 seemed bigger than before. Then I transitioned to the East Coast. The ROAV Mid Atlantic Rally is growing. 70 odd trucks in 1994 when I first went . Well over 300 this year, it was bigger than 2002 and 2003. Bruce Fowler's Winter Romp (with 2 data samples) seems to be about the same. The OVLR Birthday party seems to have waned a bit in the past few years, but I have been attributing that to the decline of their newsletter after Spenny's interests in layout waned and Dixon was ousted as editor. Soon after this the American contingent dwindled. Lots of the regulars suspects have had conflicts of late. Howard Smith's Guy Fawkes Day has fluxuated with almost a different set of people each year. This year had it's best turnout with 10 or so trucks. The British Invasion at Stowe has waned with the removal of off-roading and some of use switching to your "British Retreat" But that is a small sample size. I have no idea how BSROA is doing. Or ROVERS, or SOLAROS, etc. For those out west, how goes the PNWTTC? Or PCRC challenge? Wasn't there some joint event with NCRC, SCLR and AZLRO of recent years? Maybe this winter we'll have to issue a call to arms and get people interested in the mendo Not-A-Rallye in April. Ben From bens Mon Nov 29 17:41:21 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iATMfLVY013527 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:41:21 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iATMfL0J013526 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:41:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:41:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200411292241.iATMfK5c013522@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: RR Air suspension ? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ application/ms-tnef; ] [ 42 lines filtered. ] charset="Windows-1252" James Said? How do you know when your compressor is running? =20 I have always been able to hear my compressor. I was worried at first, = but 50,000 miles later it sounds the same. -Rob From bens Mon Nov 29 21:36:03 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAU2a3VY023306 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:36:03 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAU2a3Nv023305 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:36:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:36:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200411300236.iAU2a2xQ023301@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Theodore&Solange Bennett:APG" To: Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1488 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 145 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" "Kevin Kelly" Subject: 4x4 Sales in Australia wrote: While I was in = Australia I posted that I did not see many Land Rovers compared to Toyotas. Depends where you go, Kevin. This is not meant to be an apology, just an = obervation. Series Land Rovers survive well here, but you're right, = they've been nudged out of the suburbs by the high marketing profit and = well promoted Jap vehicles. But there remain a few Land Rover "bloody knuckles" enthusiasts here. = There are more per capita older Rovers than the plethora of Jap and = Korean brands. A lot are ex Oz military Series vehicles, but mostly in = the Bush. AS you'd well know, unlike the Asian look-alikes, they can and = are maintained by fencing wire jury rigging and pliers. They're so = "soldier-proof" in the Oz defence forces, that people who inherit Land = Rovers here visit the vehicles with near magic powers of durability and = tend to run them into the ground. Other damaging factors have been past British auto industry blues, the = global corporate trading game with the LR badge, poor finish quality, = and an arrogant;y dismissive and disinterested marketing management = Downunder. Land Rover Lamalysia is better managed. Rover's toffee-nosed = moneyd class Range Rover reputation here has seen it more as a badge for = the moneyed insane. Used market Range Rover values are appalling, as I = read they are in the US. Toyota came in with an (Oz taxpayer funded) marketing thrust in the = 1960s that not only smashed into the domestic manufacturing industry, = but sent the dissipated Brits packing back to their last feudal East = Asian outposts. You know the rest. Love of Land Rover is almost metaphysical here. While the Japs dominate = through sheer size, power, grunt, massive (subsideised) advertising and = PR marketing that seduces the motoring writers and yobbos (rednecks) by = deliberately devaluing all things British, and that's not difficult in a = country founded mostly by Irish political prisoners, German refugee = religious, Italian prisoners of war, and built into a constitutional = democracy despite the failure of several bloody revolutions against the = oppressive Brits. We;ve finally achieved a classless and bloodless independence, = preferring democracy ahead of republic. Some of us who've served in the Army and UN, Interpol and Interfet have = come to know and respect Series Land Rovers, especially the Perentie and = the Lightweight. (Others have become blase, regarding them as "work" = trucks.) I feel one of the better answers remains from a Tokyo uni industrial = design academic who had been associated with a dissection program that = the Japs had hoped would reveal the "secret" of Land Rover's unambiguous = loyalty among people like you and us. They took the Rover apart and = discovered just a pile of metal and cloth. The professor wrote a monograph that admitted the true value of a Land = Rover was in its "soul" and that the Japanese could never emulate this = because they had been imitativbe of instead of meeting their Buddha = respectfully, experiencing their own industrial revolution. They've imitated, learned the California lesson of advertising, = marketing hyperbole, though.=20 That's my .2c worth, but it's shared by a delightful octogenerian = British author of children's books whose main character is her Series 1 = 80, Polyanna, the masthead title of her publishing. She was until 12 or = 15 years ago still travelling the world, including the Middle East, = Greece and Australia in Polyanna, sleeping by and sometimes beneath the = vehicle in a swag alone in the bush, and hitching lifts for her car and = her aboard freighters in Piraeus and Fremantle and Sydney.=20 She said her Land Rover had a "soul", that this was as much her = protection on her journeys as her wit and common sense. But there's no point pushing this point with the Saatchis adn their ilk = who shape public opinoin and taste and who profit obscenely from = marketing and advertising. Apparent style too often triumphs over essential content, doesn't it? = Take our respective and recent national elections for example. But, as I said, this is not an apology. - Theo. 70 109 Limestone SW 75 88 Green ute 58 Riley 4/68 From bens Mon Nov 29 21:41:29 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAU2fTVY023526 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:41:29 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAU2fTSx023525 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:41:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:41:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200411300241.iAU2fT2K023521@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Roger Sinasohn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Spam from Red Rhino Products Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 11:04 AM 11/29/04, you wrote: >Anyone else getting spammed by Red Rhino Products? Unfortunately they Yep. Alas, I get so much spam I'm thinking of changing my name. Still, it is saddening to see a Land Rover company engage in it. Needless to say, I'll never buy from them. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From bens Mon Nov 29 22:45:45 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAU3jjVY026382 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:45:45 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAU3jjMi026381 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:45:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:45:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200411300345.iAU3jjss026377@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Granville" To: Subject: Club Life Cycle, was Re: NCRC Party Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Reflecting on your questions and thoughts, Ben: I think several of the factors you mentioned are at work, here. The mendo list grew out of enthusiasts getting together, via the LRO list, to explore Mendocino National Forest, to plan a rallye. Word of those "recces" spread, with enough participation that you created "mendo_recce" as a list to ease communication. The first planned rallye became a not-a-rallye in April 1995, with a pretty good turn-out. The list became permanent and the April gathering grew in popularity. By the 3rd year, it was quite a non-event, with special tasks, etc. Meanwhile, LROA, the club that had existed before LROs commonly communicated via the Internet, was going through a variety of difficulties, eventually dying a somewhat slow, painful death. Partly as a result of dissatisfaction with the LROA situation and partly (it seemed to me) as an outgrowth and formalization of the very informal, unstructured mendo_recce, NCRC was born. The mendo_recce list remained functional as a handy means of communication for NCRC members, as well as for those who chose or didn't bother to join NCRC. I joined NCRC to support it and enjoyed the occasional newsletters. Attending club meetings and most functions was too inconvenient for me, as I live too far out and don't like to go into the Bay Area any more than I have to (which is why I don't live there!). For those who could attend meetings and pub gatherings, it seems to have been a nice vehicle. I'm not clear on what went on in that vein. Regarding the off-roading trips, other than Mendo (which was never an NCRC event, except that it was used as a club meeting venue a couple of times): I went on a few but have tended to shy away, over time, as I find trips with so many vehicles, with all degrees of equipment and driver experience and interest, to be too slow and difficult. One of the things that I think makes Mendo fun is that it's primarily a gathering, with a base camp, and allows small groups to go off to do different trails, of varying degrees of difficulty. I only get to go on about 2-3 trips a year, so, over time, I've gotten to where I prefer to chose smaller, more intimate groups, of similar interest and at least some semblance of similar preparedness. If I could get out more, I'd probably still go on some of the bigger group trips, too. My favorite, these days, is the trail clearing in MNF. Even at Mendo, I've seen quite a life cycle. From the first recces, where no one had a working winch and most had Series Rovers, where we felt free to quaffe ale when we stopped along the trail ("vapour locke"), through the first few Mendo not-a-rallyes, where Mo and you played your guitars and we sang around the campfire, lubricated with ample ale and single-malt, into the wee hours, to such a huge gathering (as many as 40-odd Rovers) where, when Mo played his guitar, he was ignored and people just talked away, then falling off to a fraction of the attendance and few staying up very late. Another change that is evident is that people brought fancier and fancier equipment, with trailers, campers, etc., even towing or trailering their Rovers or leaving them home. Were it not for a few stalwart organizers, there would have been a lot fewer outings and it would have fizzled more and sooner. Eric has kept several regular outings going, generously and patiently accommodating all and sundry. Jason took up the ball for a while, leading several trips. Jeremy has done more than his share, including the very time and effort intensive MFR, that I still hope to see again. The NCRC newsletter has gone through a similar lifecycle as what I saw at LROA. It's a big job to put together an interesting, informative newsletter. I don't know how anyone can stay at it very long. Brad Blevins hung in there for an amazing stint at LROA but eventually got sick of it. I really appreciate all the efforts of everyone who has ever done it! Of course, no one can make a newsletter happen if there are not submissions. When this Mendo thing first started, I was very enthusiastic, taking lots of photos at every outing, and writing up every story in tedious detail. Now, I take a few digital photos, when I think of it, and make a few brief comments on the list or to a few friends. I have yet to miss a Mendo and plan to keep going as long as I can and anyone else shows up! When Rovers on the Internet were a new novelty to me, I even wrote a column about it, for the LROA's newsletter (the Aluminum Workhorse). I don't, however, seem to have stories or articles in me, any more. Another factor that seems to have eroded both the mendo_recce list and the NCRC is the considerable splintering of on-line forums (fora?). There's the norcalrovers list on Yahoo! Groups, RR, RRO, etc., as well as the several to many web based forums, including the one on the NCRC website and John Brabyn's. I can't keep up with it all! I think there are plenty of other factors at play but these are apparent to me. Cheers, Granny From bens Mon Nov 29 23:17:55 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAU4HtVY027608 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:17:55 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAU4Ht4h027607 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:17:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:17:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200411300417.iAU4Htl8027603@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: NCRC Party Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It may be my fault! Seems that everytime that I mention that I'm showing up for something, people tend to go away: dunno if I smell bad, or if I seem a bit "insane" to most (careful how you use that word "insane"...), or what? Maybe it's because I don't work in sillycon valley, and I'm just an average guy? (you know, an outsider!) All I know, is that at present, it's only Marshall & I for Mojave Road this year...unless he has to cancel... What the heck is going on here??? Charles -----Original message----- From: Benjamin Allan Smith bens101fc@gmail.com Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:46:02 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: NCRC Party > > So, what has happened to the off-roading LR scene in the last few > years? I saw that attendence at mendo has been dwindling. I'm seeing > reports that NCRC is inactive. Is it just that people have all > collectively gotten busy and gone off into other interests? Or has > the group just splintered and is off in many small groups making their > own private trips? (Like Granville mentioned in an email not too long > back). Or are the main organizers off > doing their own thing now instead of via the club. Or does the club [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Nov 29 23:18:07 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAU4I7VY027618 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:18:07 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAU4I7sh027617 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:18:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:18:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200411300418.iAU4I6xV027613@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Dave G." To: Subject: Re: Club Life Cycle, was Re: NCRC Party Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm with ya all the way Gran. Who can explain th eb and flow of clubs, newsletters, websites, etc? Not me. The bigger the "events" get, the less enjoyment I seem to get out of them. Give me half a dozen good friends, whatever the heck they drive or drag, around the campfire and seeing the sights in daylight. That's where it's at for me. Maybe I can make it out some time this year. Here's hopin'. -Dave G. From bens Mon Nov 29 23:46:55 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAU4ksVY028875 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:46:54 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAU4ksuY028874 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:46:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:46:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200411300446.iAU4ksSr028870@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: crocuta@earthlink.net To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: NCRC Party Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 37 lines filtered. ] Heya, I've not followed the entire string of conversation here. I'm on a month long MUCH needed vacation. I'm returning soon but I wanted to say that I've heard tales of the off roading scene at pub nights and such. It would vanish just as I finally get a trail ready truck! I have been busy tho and have not been able to attend anything really. I will be attending Mojave Road unless the truck breaks and if it's just us, well, we'll have a ton of fun, we'll write articles about it and hopefully crank up the interest level again. I won't even consider that there is any clique-ish sort of thing going on because if so, well perhaps it is good that the scene is dying. A friend told me about the political wars between various norcal 4x4 clubs and to be honest I tend to ignore politics for better or worse. I will say that I am trying to line up some events for next year and if I'm the only one showing up then... I'll be having fun despite the lack of company. I personaly think everyone is just busy and that is the main reason. Economy has another thing to do with it because when it takes 100$ to fill your truck then the events must be picked carefully. I'm tired and I don't know where this rant is headed but basically.. I'll be at every event I can. I will also arrange a few pub nights and one pub night in the Marin area for those who don't want to drive all the way to Berkeley. More later... more vacation now. Later all! -Marshall From bens Tue Nov 30 00:27:56 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAU5RuVY031800 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 00:27:56 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAU5Rupg031799 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 00:27:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 00:27:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200411300527.iAU5RtJv031795@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Granville" To: Subject: Re: NCRC Party Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, > Maybe it's because I don't work in sillycon valley, and I'm just an average guy? (you know, an outsider!) There are lots of us on the mendo list and in NCRC who are not Silly-Con Valley gEEks. > All I know, is that at present, it's only Marshall & I for Mojave Road this year...unless he has to cancel... I'd love to do Mojave Road, one of these days. I've wanted to do it ever since I crossed it on the Tonopah & Tidewater expedition (at Zzyzx). I think I'd like to do it in the spring, though, if I can, when the desert is in bloom. I find it hard to get away during the holidays, as we tend to do family things. Trips that involve so much highway time are also something among which I pick and choose, due to the cost of fuel for my thirsty beast. Nevertheless, I've given some thought to the possibility of trying to make it to your trip, this year. We'll see... Cheers, Granny From bens Tue Nov 30 01:56:41 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAU6ufVY003323 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 01:56:41 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAU6ufhQ003322 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 01:56:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 01:56:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200411300656.iAU6ueDm003318@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Club Life Cycle, was Re: NCRC Party Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Very good thoughts Gran, I think you have analyzed the situation well. All clubs and paper newsletters seem to ebb and flow, which is not necessarily bad. This Mendo list might get a bot quiet sometimes but it still seems to tie the Northern Cal people together, regardless of club names coming and going etc. The numerous other email lists and forums (including Rangerovers.net) I find to be mostly technical, whereas this one is more inclined towards camaraderie and communicating about local events and experiences etc, which is really valuable. Although I have always been one who prefers non-club trips with a smaller group or even alone, I do appreciate whatever the NCRC does manage to do, as I know how much work it is to organize events, newsletters, elections, meetings etc etc. So here is my message to the club -- keep up whatever efforts you can folks, and I for one will appreciate what you do, send in a check if you remind me, and not criticize what you don't get around to! Cheers John. Granville wrote: From bens Tue Nov 30 10:19:05 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAUFJ4VY024295 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:19:04 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAUFJ4MC024294 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:19:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:19:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200411301519.iAUFJ4iw024290@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Jeremy Bartlett To: mendo Subject: NCRC Future was Party Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well as an NCRC officer I'll say I also basically agree with Mehdi. The club needs to either transform or shutdown in my opinion. That's not the fault of anyone involved. I think that what has happened over the years is that the core of folks who do most of the organizing have either moved, sold their vehicles, grown in their jobs and become too busy, or picked up other interests. This is a conversation we've started a few times internally in the club officers that hasn't lead anywhere but it's time to get it going again. At the risk of starting a yelling match, I'd welcome the input thoughts, comments of anyone wanting to make them, either here or directly. I'd most like to hear if people (members or not) think that there is a function still to be played by a club and if so what. Personally I think there's still scope for club organized activities such as trail clearing, tech sessions and the like but the reality is there will be fewer trips due to leadership time and fewer accessible locations. I personally think that somesort of web based free or minimal dues organization would best serve this function since no one seems able to keep up paper contributions to the newsletter and the like. Anyway enough said for now. Jeremy From bens Tue Nov 30 11:21:57 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAUGLvVY027050 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:21:57 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAUGLvgG027049 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:21:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:21:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200411301621.iAUGLvff027045@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Mojave Road Trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Don't worry Charles. I might still put up with you because I have the Mojave Road trip on my radar! I think can get a few other LRs to tag along also. Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW San Diego, CA Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:17:55 -0500 From: charles irvin Subject: Re: NCRC Party It may be my fault! Seems that everytime that I mention that I'm showing up for something, people tend to go away: dunno if I smell bad,..........All I know, is that at present, it's only Marshall & I for Mojave Road this year...unless he has to cancel... What the heck is going on here??? Charles __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From bens Tue Nov 30 11:37:15 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAUGbFVY027669 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:37:15 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAUGbFe0027668 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:37:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:37:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200411301637.iAUGbFt2027664@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: NCRC Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I won't even consider that there is any clique-ish sort of thing > going on because if so, well perhaps it is good that the scene is > dying. I always thought a positive thing about the club was that new people or outsiders like myself were always welcomed to participate and people on a run tried to make everyone welcome. Well almost everyone. The welcome matt tended not to stay out long for Yahoos who persisted in being a danger to everyone else as well as themselves and people who repeatedly showed up with rigs in poor untrail worthy condition (You would have to have been around for a while to catch the pun). But it stayed out for anyone wanting to join in, participate and help each other out. While it is natural for people who have developed friendships to want to hang together I never saw exclusive cliques. > I will say that I am trying to line up some events for next year and > if I'm the only one showing up then. .. I'll be having fun despite the > lack of company. This list was born for Joe Lucas sponsored not-a-trips. It is the virtual campfire we all sit around to share things and maybe scare up some participants for a trip someone wants to do and would like a little company on. The mendo-recc Not-A-Trip tradition was never tied to a club. There has been a profound change that has affected both the club and the mendo list that no one has mentioned yet. During the heyday growth period of both the mendo list and the NCRC, Land Rover North America was marketing offroad adventure, the magic that is the marque that was the first motor vehicle that much of the world ever saw. The apex of the outback expedition rig. Land Rover North America was out there with Defenders and Discos marketing to the people who wanted to be out camping on the trail. People bought into the charisma, bought Land Rovers to get away from the mundane, joined the club and went out on trail runs. Nowdays, Land Rover North America is selling elitist luxury cars marketed to people who could care less if it is capable of going farther than the lodge. The influx of new people brought in by Land Rover North America who are interested in trail runs and wilderness camping has virtually dried up. The numbers are not coming in to replace those enthusiasts who have been there done that for a while and are ready to move on to doing something different. LRNA ran a Range Rover commercial a few moths ago that said it all. Young adults (college students?) hitchhiking talking about living a life as free sprits in tune with Nature. They get picked up by an establishment couple driving a new Range Rover. The young adults are awed by the luxury appointments and decide to become part of the monied establishment so that they too can afford one of these luxury cars. The folks who want to go off the beaten path and live life a little more freely are being actively marketed to by Jeep and totally ignored by Land Rover. The bulk of potential new NCRC members are buying brands of 4X4 and joining other clubs. There are of course us eccentric curmudgeons who have found a contentment out on the trail who have been there before Land Rover returned to North America and will continue to be there as Land Rover forgets it's roots and others have gone off to new and different adventures. But we are not in large numbers and many of us tend to shy away from highly organized activities. While there may not be enough new people coming in to keep an organized club strong there is always enough to keep mendo-recc alive and the occasional Joe Lucas Not-A-Trip. Either way maybe it is not a bad thing, just a group returning to its roots. T. J. Wakeman Santa Cruz, California http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman A member of the internet community since 1985. From bens Tue Nov 30 11:38:33 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAUGcXVY027684 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:38:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAUGcXLD027683 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:38:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:38:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200411301638.iAUGcWCv027679@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Mojave Road and other far away trips Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Granny, Yes, it's a long drive for you and you'll probably spend $250 on fuel to get all the way there and back but these gatherings (Mojave Road, Mendo, certain NCRC events) are only once a year. And look at this way - after you spend the money on gas, and pitch in another $50 for provisions, it sounds like a pretty cheap adventure!! By the way, I'm planning to attend Mendo this April... Regards, Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW San Diego, CA Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 00:27:55 -0500 From: "Granville" Subject: Re: NCRC Party ......I'd love to do Mojave Road, one of these days. Trips that involve so much highway time are also something among which I pick and choose, due to the cost of fuel for my thirsty beast. Nevertheless, I've given some thought to the possibility of trying to make it to your trip, this year. We'll see... Cheers, Granny ------------------------------ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From bens Tue Nov 30 11:44:45 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAUGijVY027891 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:44:45 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAUGijbj027890 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:44:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:44:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200411301644.iAUGiiBk027886@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: shukait@mac.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: NCRC Holiday Party Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Joe, It's the Kings Head Pub. I'll call and find out what the slowest day of the week is for them as seating there is really tight on a busy night. I'll put it together and post something to the list. > I suggest a venue where food is $10-20 max/person and > drinks are left to individual. > One place that comes to mind is that pub (name?) in > Campbell. Lots of room and live music too. Anyone > else have a suggestion? Kings Head Pub 201 Orchard City Drive Campbell Ca. 95008 408.871.2499 http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_result? ed=Moz87ep_0ToCo3kW9lBGb9VZjdw2vd5LCkVyMZX05g-- &csz=campbell%2C+ca&country=us&new=1&name=&qty= From bens Tue Nov 30 13:03:09 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAUI39VY031301 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:03:09 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAUI39ic031300 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:03:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:03:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200411301803.iAUI38UP031296@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Leslie Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: NCRC Future was Party Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Chris and I have been discussing this issue just recently (as I sit looking at the mostly printed next NCRC newsletter...). I like the role that the NCRC played in getting new folks on the trail. I would like to believe that there is still a role for the club. I know for Chris and I, we just do not have the free time that we did in previous years. I would rather spend that free time arranging and going on trips rather than the overhead associated with some of the club based work (e.g newsletter printing, etc). I would love to see us entertain a new lighter-weight organizational structure as well as moving toward more use of web infrastructure(maybe even along the lines of a wiki). We always veered away from that because not everyone in the club was online. I think that argument is pretty moot these days when even my mom has two email addresses. Perhaps we do need to have a Winter Holiday 'Party' as Joe suggested. We could then discuss the fate of the NCRC for anyone interested. Chris and I would be willing to host it here at our house in Palo Alto. leslie dow (see I am still here....lurking as always- and might I say after a month of ownership, I do love the LR3!!!) Jeremy Bartlett wrote: >Well as an NCRC officer I'll say I also basically agree with Mehdi. The >club needs to either transform or shutdown in my opinion. That's not >the fault of anyone involved. I think that what has happened over the >years is that the core of folks who do most of the organizing have >either moved, sold their vehicles, grown in their jobs and become too >busy, or picked up other interests. > >This is a conversation we've started a few times internally in the club >officers that hasn't lead anywhere but it's time to get it going again. [ 21 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Nov 30 13:06:17 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAUI6HVY031539 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:06:17 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAUI6HM9031538 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:06:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:06:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200411301806.iAUI6Hn5031534@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Leslie Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Selling Philip's 94 RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If anyone is interested, we are selling Philip's 94 RR county. It is listed on Craigs list. I would definitely give any Mendo folk first refusal and a great deal. leslie here is the link: http://www.craigslist.org/pen/car/50379146.html From bens Tue Nov 30 13:16:06 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAUIG6VY032033 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:16:06 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAUIG623032032 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:16:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:16:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200411301816.iAUIG5Ju032028@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: RE: NCRC Party Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ben, there is not really any private groups. Those how used to put a lot of time in Bruce, Eric, Jeremy are now much more busy than before and no one has really stepped in to take over. Chris and Jason gave it a go, too. Maybe the new and more energetic newcomers will help out. Mehdi From bens Tue Nov 30 13:29:40 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAUITeVY032458 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:29:40 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAUITeM7032457 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:29:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:29:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200411301829.iAUITetc032453@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: RE: Club Life Cycle, was Re: NCRC Party Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Granville, reading between the line, seems you want to go Off-Roading this Jan, somewhere in snow. What did you have in mind? From bens Tue Nov 30 13:39:23 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAUIdNVY000406 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:39:23 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAUIdNI1000405 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:39:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:39:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200411301839.iAUIdNXt000401@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: Club Life Cycle, was Re: NCRC Party Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ME TOOOOOOO. Granville, reading between the line, seems you want to go Off-Roading this Jan, somewhere in snow. What did you have in mind? From bens Tue Nov 30 13:43:16 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAUIhGVY000624 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:43:16 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAUIhG71000623 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:43:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:43:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200411301843.iAUIhGT9000619@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: RE: NCRC Future Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org NCRC introduced to me to some of my best new friends since collage. I have 2 left from collage days that I call and see and over 5 rover that I have lunch with call and go places. In today's fast life, this is great. NCRC should not be put aside. I like Jeremy's proposal. Make it a web based and simplify it. Allow people to post pictures and trip reports. A small fee to cover the server cost and the rest us silly-con Geeks can pickup and help with. We have Mendo for posting trip proposals and we can NCRC for recap and pictures. ------------------- As for me my truck is trail ready. I took me almost 2 years to rebuild it from the chassis back up. The kids and I are ready to go places. Rob, I will be attending the next trail cleanup. Mehdi From bens Tue Nov 30 13:55:26 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAUItQVY001278 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:55:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAUItQdR001277 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:55:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:55:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200411301855.iAUItQvg001273@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Taylor Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Club Life Cycle, was Re: NCRC Party Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 29 lines filtered. ] Granny et al ~ I have spent much of my time lurking on this board but I feel I have been spurred to mention a few things. First of all, Granny -- I have yet to actually meet you but I always enjoy reading your messages and learning something from your wisdom and club experience. I would hate to see the club dissolve and feel that there is a lot of good that can come out of remaining the NCRC. I moved here over a year ago from the flat, and relatively mellow (off-roading terms) Midwest. When I was in college I was a member of the Chicago Land Rover Club and living in Milwaukee had to wait months upon months to participate in their trips which consisted of driving to Northern Wisconsin and OHV'ing along a section of pipeline cut through the woods of the Nicolet National Forest. When I pointed my packed car westward to move, I really was excited at the prospects that the club offered in terms of going on short or long-term trips, tyre kicking events, pub nights or car shows. Geographically and geologically speaking, there are so many great places to visit, but foremost the people make the club and the few people I have met so far have inspired me to keep my Land Rover despite skyrocketing fuel costs and other factors. I think that people who have been involved in the past, the Dows, Eric, and most recently Jason and Petra who have taken up events and tried to create trips and interest have become much busier and the daily flow of life has taken them away to other things. But I know for a fact that there are still others who are enthusiastic about the club and that once they step up and participate, the club interest will seem to wane. I also am a firm believer that the actions and popularity of the club will continue to wane until a new leadership is built with those who hope to ressurect the club and continue trips, and maybe even try to find new interest from newer members, who like me, still continue to enjoy driving their Land Rovers. I think I can honestly say that I am one of the youngest members of the club and I hope it evolves into a new era with genuine interest and the bond of those who love Land Rovers as much as I do, whether that bond is shared in person at an event or even over mendo. I also hope that the club can still foster ideals of trail-clearing and off-road etiquette and land stewardship as well as be a key group in facilitating legislation and having a voice in the off-road community, which is truly important -- that a group in Northern California can have that type of voice and educated members to voice concerns to the public. Again, I'm a rnewbie and dont know many people who post and lurk on this list, and I certainly am not as in touch with the past history of the club and its foundations but I can honestly say that I think that the club represents great people from a great part of California and to have it go away would be a disservice to those that have invested their energy in anyway. In closing I must say that I do think it's difficult for members who are so spread about the Northern California area to fully participate in many club activities but I for one would love to see a Holiday Party -- whether that can happen at this point or not, and maybe even a pub night here at the Albatross in the East Bay for those who can make it in the next week or so -- it is so great to see everyone's trucks lined up out front of a pub! I am all ears, but thanks for listening to a newbie ramble on. Cheers Taylor Pipes Granville wrote: Reflecting on your questions and thoughts, Ben: I think several of the factors you mentioned are at work, here. The mendo list grew out of enthusiasts getting together, via the LRO list, to explore Mendocino National Forest, to plan a rallye. Word of those "recces" spread, with enough participation that you created "mendo_recce" as a list to ease communication. The first planned rallye became a not-a-rallye in April 1995, with a pretty good turn-out. The list became permanent and the April gathering grew in popularity. By the 3rd year, it was quite a non-event, with special tasks, etc. Meanwhile, LROA, the club that had existed before LROs commonly communicated via the Internet, was going through a variety of difficulties, eventually dying a somewhat slow, painful death. Partly as a result of dissatisfaction with the LROA situation and partly (it seemed to me) as an outgrowth and formalization of the very informal, unstructured mendo_recce, NCRC was born. The mendo_recce list remained functional as a handy means of communication for NCRC members, as well as for those who chose or didn't bother to join NCRC. I joined NCRC to support it and enjoyed the occasional newsletters. Attending club meetings and most functions was too inconvenient for me, as I live too far out and don't like to go into the Bay Area any more than I have to (which is why I don't live there!). For those who could attend meetings and pub gatherings, it seems to have been a nice vehicle. I'm not clear on what went on in that vein. Regarding the off-roading trips, other than Mendo (which was never an NCRC event, except that it was used as a club meeting venue a couple of times): I went on a few but have tended to shy away, over time, as I find trips with so many vehicles, with all degrees of equipment and driver experience and interest, to be too slow and difficult. One of the things that I think makes Mendo fun is that it's primarily a gathering, with a base camp, and allows small groups to go off to do different trails, of varying degrees of difficulty. I only get to go on about 2-3 trips a year, so, over time, I've gotten to where I prefer to chose smaller, more intimate groups, of similar interest and at least some semblance of similar preparedness. If I could get out more, I'd probably still go on some of the bigger group trips, too. My favorite, these days, is the trail clearing in MNF. Even at Mendo, I've seen quite a life cycle. From the first recces, where no one had a working winch and most had Series Rovers, where we felt free to quaffe ale when we stopped along the trail ("vapour locke"), through the first few Mendo not-a-rallyes, where Mo and you played your guitars and we sang around the campfire, lubricated with ample ale and single-malt, into the wee hours, to such a huge gathering (as many as 40-odd Rovers) where, when Mo played his guitar, he was ignored and people just talked away, then falling off to a fraction of the attendance and few staying up very late. Another change that is evident is that people brought fancier and fancier equipment, with trailers, campers, etc., even towing or trailering their Rovers or leaving them home. Were it not for a few stalwart organizers, there would have been a lot fewer outings and it would have fizzled more and sooner. Eric has kept several regular outings going, generously and patiently accommodating all and sundry. Jason took up the ball for a while, leading several trips. Jeremy has done more than his share, including the very time and effort intensive MFR, that I still hope to see again. The NCRC newsletter has gone through a similar lifecycle as what I saw at LROA. It's a big job to put together an interesting, informative newsletter. I don't know how anyone can stay at it very long. Brad Blevins hung in there for an amazing stint at LROA but eventually got sick of it. I really appreciate all the efforts of everyone who has ever done it! Of course, no one can make a newsletter happen if there are not submissions. When this Mendo thing first started, I was very enthusiastic, taking lots of photos at every outing, and writing up every story in tedious detail. Now, I take a few digital photos, when I think of it, and make a few brief comments on the list or to a few friends. I have yet to miss a Mendo and plan to keep going as long as I can and anyone else shows up! When Rovers on the Internet were a new novelty to me, I even wrote a column about it, for the LROA's newsletter (the Aluminum Workhorse). I don't, however, seem to have stories or articles in me, any more. Another factor that seems to have eroded both the mendo_recce list and the NCRC is the considerable splintering of on-line forums (fora?). There's the norcalrovers list on Yahoo! Groups, RR, RRO, etc., as well as the several to many web based forums, including the one on the NCRC website and John Brabyn's. I can't keep up with it all! I think there are plenty of other factors at play but these are apparent to me. Cheers, Granny From bens Tue Nov 30 16:32:23 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAULWNVY007641 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:32:23 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iAULWNsV007640 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:32:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:32:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200411302132.iAULWMwM007636@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Benjamin Allan Smith" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: NCRC Future was Party Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jeremy wrote: > I think that what has happened over the > years is that the core of folks who do most of the organizing have > either moved, sold their vehicles, grown in their jobs and become too > busy, or picked up other interests. That happens over time in any organization. What keeps the group going is new blood to take over the old roles with fresh enthusiasm. Remembering back to a late night at the Albatross when NCRC was just beggining, it was the same people who were organizing mendo trips who wanted a more formal forum for legal reasons and to extend to non-net people. The result is that we've had a great number of events that took a lot of work to pull off. Lots of behind the scene scouting runs. All the work that Jeremey put in for the NCRC Challenges. Christmas dinners. Teriann brought up another good point. LRNA isn't churning out large numbers of new enthusiasts to fill the ranks. Many clubs had huge memberships when they could hand out an application form at the dealerships--they are all on the wane back to the core enthusiasts now. The list had lots of new people joining when Defenders were on sale. When the Defenders went in 1997, then the influx started to slow. The economy slowing in 2000 made more people curtail their "fun" activities. > I personally think that somesort of web based free or > minimal dues organization would best serve this function since no one > seems able to keep up paper contributions to the newsletter and the like. Filling newsletters is always a tough job. People are much more likely to write an email to a board or to mendo than to submit an article. I'll admit I'm that way too. More often than not it is the same people writing articles all the time because they are the ones the NL editor could cajole into writing. Personally, I'm not a fan of web boards because I forget to check them. If there is something in my email inbox to read I'll read it. Maybe a monthly email to the list and those not on the list of upcoming events? Teriann wrote: > This list was born for Joe Lucas sponsored not-a-trips. Technically the list was born to organize the 2nd recce for the event that was the 1st annual Mendo Not-a-rally since in my opinion a large cc list was difficult to manage and I had a server to host a list. Then the list was extended until the 1st mendo. At the first mendo I was convinced to make the list permanent. > It is the virtual campfire we all sit around to share things and maybe scare > up some participants for a trip someone wants to do and would like a > little company on. That exactly describes the list! > While there may not be enough new people coming in to keep an organized > club strong there is always enough to keep mendo-recc alive and the > occasional Joe Lucas Not-A-Trip. Here! Here! I'll keep the list running as long as there are people on the list. I'll make a challenge to y'all now. Let's make the 2005, Joe Lucas Not-a-rallye (11th annual) the best ever. Cedar Camp. 23-24 April. In the past we've gotten 35 Rovers there. Let's try to get 40. Yes we've all done Little Sullivan ridge N times, but N+1 can be fun too. Mark your calandars. I'll get there by hook or by crook even if I have to resort to the proverbial Jolt and a stake cookie. Ben From bens Tue Nov 30 19:12:44 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iB10CiVY015120 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:12:44 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iB10Ch7D015119 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:12:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:12:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200412010012.iB10Chth015115@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Blair Peterson" To: Subject: Mendo and NCRC Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Here are my stream-of-consciousness ramblings on the subject... I think the demise of the group(s) is highly exaggerated! Ok, so maybe NCRC hasn't been so active in a while. Things ebb and flow. I personally have done little club-wise over the last 12-18mos except submit an article for a not-yet-mailed newsletter and join others for a beer at the Albatross. That participation level is not so much a measure of interest but one of time availability and conflicting priorities. I am so glad that Mendo is the institution it is since that date is so well known within my family that there is never a conflict-- at least not for the 9 years straight that I've been attending and really enjoying it. Has Mendo changed? Sure-- but I can't really pinpoint if the recce is smaller or larger, more series or more coiler. Ok, I'll admit with Granny that the Noisy BuggersTM are less in evidence (amen!) but Chris Dow and I and a few others sure whiled away quite a few hrs last year around the campfire ingesting various forms of vapour locke. And the aircraft flyover sounds played at high volume over a stereo Sunday morning certainly rivalled anything the NoisyBuggers or Mendo_Bagpipers have ever pulled off. Plus ca change... I'd like to thank Jeff Rogers, Bruce Bonar, Jeremy, Ben Mitchell, Eric Cope, Jason, Petra, Mehdi, Rob Kerner, Chris and Leslie Dow, and all the other NCRC officers and newsletter producers over the years that I can't remember. Hopefully others will fill their shoes if the spirit moves them. My four wheeling has been limited over the last 2 yrs to once per year-- Mendo. My interest in LRs or NCRC or Mendo isn't waning, just changing to fit around other stuff in life. I've reduced my "fleet" by 50% and am enjoying the attention (and reduced burden) I can dedicate to just one truck. I've led 3 official NCRC trips in the past, and they are a (big) labor of love-- I may not lead another anytime soon I guess, but don't rule me out. I am also intrigued like others in smaller, more nimble group runs aka the infamous "Private Trips". Mendo Forest trail sponsorship/maintenance is a great tradition that hopefully some us can continue. Lastly, I really appreciate getting the Mendo_Digest delivered to my inbox-- talk about user-friendly! I enjoy the break it provides-- allows a little LR diversion/daydreaming/info gathering/trip planning/communication. Gotta thank Ben Smith for that! Cheers, Blair '66 SIIA 109 Regular "Pershing" (who is getting BCB disc brakes as I type!) -------------------------------------------------------- This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information intended for the specific individual or entity addressed, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient you must not disseminate, forward, print or copy it in any form or take any action or reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message or by calling +1 510-844-3000. Thank you. -------------------------------------------------------- From bens Tue Nov 30 19:35:31 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iB10ZVVY016656 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:35:31 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iB10ZV9n016655 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:35:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:35:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200412010035.iB10ZVqs016651@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Off-Topic - Speedvision.....Vintage Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Eric Johnson wrote: > Anyone see Speedvision last Saturday? Yep, caught parts of all three. I believe the first one was the Greenwood Festival of Speed. It's held every year in England, I believe at the Greenwood Aerodrome an old WWII era airfield, and is very similar to Monterey Historics with the addition of old airplanes. The Jeeper's Jamboree thing has been on several times lately. Last, but far from least, was "Victory By Design". It's a series that also includes Ferrari, Maserati, Aston Martin, and a couple of others I don't recall. All with Alain DeG... as the driver and great footage. The DVD's are advertised as having the added bonus of GREAT sound that you can crank up on your stereo so you can see, hear and feel the cars. I could watch, and have, the Aston one over and over. Hmm, seem to be getting slobber on the keyboard. :-) Bruce From bens Tue Nov 30 20:11:30 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iB11BUVY018134 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:11:30 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iB11BUCL018133 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:11:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:11:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200412010111.iB11BT0q018129@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Hannaford, Morgan" To: Subject: NCRC not-a-club? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ten years ago a bunch of us met on muddy trails in the Mendocino National Forest - based on a couple of e-mails between Granny and I. We didn't know who would show, what vehicle type or equipment, how long we would be out for, or where exactly we were going to recce. Every one of those trips was gonzo....relative to our experience and equipment. And you have all heard those stories repeatedly. We just set a meeting time and place - departing late after kicking tires and lifting bonnets. The group of "gonzos" who would just show-up grew quite large. No one had a cell phone. Few even had mud tires or winches. No GPS, no HAM radio. Just a few maps, compasses, CB's (channel 7 - just like Scotty used to use, tradition is important!). After hearing all the fun stories others wanted to come along. Many desired more organization to attend (where do we meet if I'm late? what is the route? who has mud tires? who has lockers? will I get body damage? etc., etc.). Some felt a club was necessary to communicate all this. Trips were generally planned by the same "gonzo" group that was used to just showing-up with no organizer. Those organized trips generally lacked the adventure that the spontaneous trips had. Some were downright methodical. At the end of Grad school I did not have the time to organize trips, but I could just show-up. Those that did organize probably wished they could just show-up sometimes. Few were stepping in to organize something. Slowly the organizers found other hobbies (hunting, bird dogs, airstreams, or new careers). Now there are very few new NCRC trips. If people cannot so much as suggest a meeting place and time to show-up, maybe there is no need for an organized club. I have suggested to some current and past NCRC "leadership" that we don't let the club go the way of LROA - and kill it before NCRC spoils. Maybe put all the newsletters online for free - maintain a forum - and hope people propose trips? What event happens every year - even though it is completely unorganized? Mendo. Even if I did not have e-mail contact or mendo_recce digest - I know the last full weekend of April at Cedar Camp will find other Land-Rover enthusiasts. It doesn't matter how many, or who they are, or what vehicles they drive. In fact, if I was the only one to show up I would still drive around and find a great trail adventure. NCRC is not dead - it is probably just operating the way it did before it was NCRC. -Mo (whose guitar playing must have sounded like worn-out 3rd gear needle bearings in a IIA transmission full of grit!) From bens Tue Nov 30 20:59:29 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iB11xTVY019980 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:59:29 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iB11xTtN019979 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:59:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:59:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200412010159.iB11xS5d019975@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Granville" To: Subject: Re: NCRC not-a-club? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm very pleased with the discussion that this topic has engendered! This has given the mendo list a new life! I think it's evidence, too, that there's hope for NCRC. Several have put forth some sound ideas for its future, methinks. Morgan wrote: > What event happens every year - even though it is > completely unorganized? Mendo. Even if I did not > have e-mail contact or mendo_recce digest - I know > the last full weekend of April at Cedar Camp > will find other Land-Rover enthusiasts. It doesn't matter > how many, or who they are, or what vehicles they drive. > In fact, if I was the only one to show up I would still > drive around and find a great trail adventure. As perhaps the only one not to have missed a single one, I'll certainly second that! > (whose guitar playing must have sounded like worn-out > 3rd gear needle bearings in a IIA transmission full of grit!) Aw, you're good and you know it! Don't give up on bringing your guitar, either, Mo! I just started learning bluegrass banjo and hope that within the 5-6 years, I'll be good enough to play along with you! Granny From bens Tue Nov 30 23:40:02 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iB14e2VY026565 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 23:40:02 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id iB14e2AT026563 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 23:40:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 23:40:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200412010440.iB14e1bs026546@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "joshua fischer" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1489 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello all, I joined the club just recentlyfor the second time to get back into the world of rovers and not one newsletter or contact list. I planned on meeting other rover enthusiasts to take trips with and to learn more about my rover. I now belong to the mendo listand a yahoo group and talk to other members and other rover owners that I have chased down in a parking lot or met at other various places. I do understand that it is difficult to run a club of this type as an extra carricular activity. If it helps any, I am willing to help out anyway I can. If anyone would like to contact me in regards to getting the club together again, please feel free. Or just get together at a pub or take a trip and have a good time with other rover enthusiasts. Thanks, Josh _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/