From bens Sun Aug 1 09:35:32 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i71DZWVY020909 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 09:35:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i71DZW8n020908 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 09:35:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 09:35:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200408011335.i71DZVbY020904@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 96 SE Discovery for sale. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > That's funny Joe, if you read the guys website he say's his reason for > selling his Discovery is that he wants to buy a Series vehicle. I guess > what's funny about that is that if you ask a Series seller why he is > selling > his rig he might say because he's tired of wrenching on it! From all the messages that go by it seems there is at least as much if not more work to be done on the Discos. The difference mainly being that the Series manual is up front with a lot of frequent periodic maintenance requirements and simple mechanics vs lots of unexpected maintenance items and harder to work on stuff. Either way you are working on stuff. I guess this is a case of the grass is always greener ... > In fact... I might > have actually whispered to my self at the end of the day... why, I > should > trade this thing up to a nice Discovery! Then you can spend the entire day replacing the brake system on the Disco and not be finished by the end of the day. > John Shelton > (Ex-Los Gatos Baggarly mechanic) T. J. Wakeman (Ex- Baggarly Land Rover electrician) 1960 Land Rover 109 Dormobile owned since 1978 1961 Triumph TR3A owned since 1986, the new car From bens Tue Aug 3 21:57:54 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i741vsVY014323 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:57:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i741vse1014322 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:57:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:57:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200408040157.i741vr1n014318@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Anybody seen the list lately??? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Granted, I've been without email AGAIN for 3 - 3 1/2 days, but I haven't seen anything from the list in weeks!!! Are we still out there??? Charles From bens Tue Aug 3 22:32:50 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i742WoVY015796 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 22:32:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i742WoZx015795 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 22:32:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 22:32:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200408040232.i742Wo3n015791@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Vehicle Registration Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Since some Land Rover owners have been known to use creative methods to register vehicles in California I thought the list might be interested in the story below. I found out about Titles Unlimited this weekend when a friend told me that the reason his Superpeformance Cobra replica was at home was because the FBI came to his house and took his license plates, registration and pink slip last week. My friend is not in trouble since he was not the original owner of the car and never had anything to do with Titles Unlimited (he bought the car with CA plates and a CA registration) but he is going to probably loose money now that he has to try and sell the car out of state (it can not be registered in CA). Kevin http://caag.state.ca.us/newsalerts/2003/03-087.htm http://www.titlesunlimitedinc.com/ Alabama man arrested in $14 million fraud case By Don Thompson ASSOCIATED PRESS SACRAMENTO - An Alabama man has been convicted for his role in a wide-ranging scam that may have cost California $14 million in lost taxes and license fees since 1975, the state attorney general's office said Wednesday. Arrest warrants simultaneously were issued for four California businessmen alleged to have helped their customers avoid smog requirements by fraudulently registering their vehicles. Richard Clark Weaver, 56, of Birmingham, Ala., owner of Titles Unlimited, also doing business as Pinson Valley Auto Sales, was convicted Friday of providing fraudulent vehicle purchase agreements to California owners for $200 by mail. The agreements gave a false year the vehicle had been manufactured, and falsely said the vehicles had been purchased from Weaver at a low price. The owners then could use the false documents to avoid smog registrations and to pay lower taxes. The Department of Motor Vehicles is canceling the registrations, and prosecutors in more than 20 California counties have been notified so they can consider bringing charges against the vehicle owners. Weaver faces a maximum three-year prison term at his May 7 sentencing. Investigators found at least five other companies in Alabama, Nevada, New York and Florida that together may have helped in the false registration of as many as 70,000 vehicles, though no charges against them have been filed. Attorney General Bill Lockyer said the investigation will continue into the loss of millions of dollars he said California can ill afford. Of 613 vehicle purchases Weaver helped falsify since 1999, more than 150 were Cobra "kit" or "replica" cars that typically cost more than $40,000 but were usually registered as older Fords with values of $500, costing the state at least $500,000. One Cobra cost $120,000 but was registered as costing $70,000, prosecutors said. The four arrest warrants issued Friday are for Lance Stander and Kimberly Marie Calder, both of Tustin, owner and employee, respectively, of Hilbank Motor Corp. in Costa Mesa; Dean Alan Woodruff of Alta Loma, owner of Woodruff's House of Cobras in Anaheim; and Craig Hill of Livermore, owner of Top of the Hill Performance Center in Livermore. An employee at the Livermore company declined comment; a telephone directory search for the other businesses yielded no listings Wednesday. Authorities allege they sold the replicas and helped the buyers falsely register the vehicles. The probe began in October 2001 with Yolo County's investigation of former Woodland police officer Terry Brown's registration of a 2000 Superperformance Cobra using Weaver's documents. He pleaded guilty in April 2002 to making a false statement to DMV, repaid $3,030 and performed 80 hours of public service. From bens Tue Aug 3 22:40:08 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i742e8VY016113 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 22:40:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i742e8PD016112 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 22:40:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 22:40:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200408040240.i742e7M8016108@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Anybody seen the list lately??? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- charles irvin wrote: > > Granted, I've been without email AGAIN for 3 - 3 1/2 > days, but I haven't seen anything from the list in > weeks!!! > > Are we still out there??? yeah but you havn't missed anything at all...maybe three posts or so. Oh! and my power steering is fine! after cleaning the box up in prep for removal and rebuild, i felt liquid dripping from above! the clamp on one fo teh hoses from teh resevoir had failed when i reinstalled teh heads! so all fixed, and the disco is back up running for free! I love cheap/free fixes! (luckilly I had bought a box of misc hose clamps last month!) Paul From bens Tue Aug 3 23:08:16 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7438GVY017319 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 23:08:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7438Gmk017318 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 23:08:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 23:08:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200408040308.i7438Gdm017314@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Vehicle Registration Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Kevin Kelly wrote: > > Since some Land Rover owners have been known to use > creative methods to > register vehicles in California I thought the list might > be interested in > the story below. whis why I will be carefully following teh letter of teh lw if I ever get to modify one of my exhisting land-rovers as compared to purchasing something and claiming it is something else. A series you already own can get a replacement frame that happens to utilize modern suspension fully legally. Paul From bens Tue Aug 3 23:10:18 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i743AIVY017456 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 23:10:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i743AIpx017455 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 23:10:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 23:10:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200408040310.i743AILr017451@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Benjamin Allan Smith" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Vehicle Registration Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200408040232.i742Wo3n015791@coriana6.fourfold.org>you wrote: > I found out about Titles Unlimited this weekend when a friend told me that > the reason his Superpeformance Cobra replica was at home was because the FBI > came to his house and took his license plates, registration and pink slip > last week. Interesting. I know of a number of Land Rovers that were titled through Titles Unlimited. Typically ones imported as parts and no title. This is somewhat legal since certain states like GA and NH don't keep track of titles over something like 10 or 15 years so anyone can create a title if the VIN number wasn't being used. This service was also useful for vehicles that have sat in barns for 30 years and noone knew where the title was. On one side you can say with kit cars that one defrauded CA out of taxes. On the other one could say that this was the only way to get the car registered, so no Titles Unlimited would mean no revenue for CA at all. Ben From bens Tue Aug 3 23:51:41 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i743pfVY019085 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 23:51:41 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i743pfU4019084 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 23:51:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 23:51:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200408040351.i743pfPX019080@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Vehicle Registration Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Benjamin Allan Smith wrote: > On one side you can say with kit cars that one defrauded > CA out of > taxes. On the other one could say that this was the only > way to get the car > registered, so no Titles Unlimited would mean no revenue > for CA at all. Well, I have to admit i dislike certain laws we have regarding these vehicles we love be it Land-rovers or motorcycles...but you have to live within teh damn laws sometimes. I think if you used titles unlimited as Ben suggests, you would not be facing the consequesces as these poor folks are...they did know what they were doing, and knew what could happen....again, I WANT cetain vehicles...like a looooooong series rover with four doors and a utility bed something like Michael build from piles of parts a couple years ago...like I said, there are ways to legally make something like this...you just have to know the boundaries and not cross them paul(who as things look now will never get to do this, let alone even buy a house....yes, this is feel sorry for yourself night...just ignore me, all will be good soon! wishing I was drin a good wine like when TW has rambles on in teh past....sigh! gotta go ack to school or something....) From bens Tue Aug 3 23:54:39 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i743sdVY019106 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 23:54:39 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i743sdi5019105 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 23:54:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 23:54:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200408040354.i743sc5T019101@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Maintenance and Repair Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TeriAnne wrote: > From all the messages that go by it seems there is at least as > much if not more work to be done on the Discos. The > difference mainly being that the Series manual is up front with > a lot of frequent periodic maintenance requirements and simple > mechanics vs lots of unexpected maintenance items and harder > to work on stuff. As much as people like to complain about modern cars and trucks most of them will need a lot less regular maintenance than the older models. I have a co-worker who just turned over 200,000 miles on his 1999 Honda Accord (He lives in Santa Rosa and works in Marin) and he mentions that in the past 6 years he has never opened the hood and he has never done anything other than drop it off for scheduled maintenance (the car still looks and drives like new). I don't think that any vehicle built before 1990 ever made it to 200K without a breaking down at least once. Many times over the past few years I have gone over 5,000 miles between oil changes without doing any maintenance or repair on the 1998 HSE. With the 1989 Classic I never seemed to make it more than a month before I had to fix something. I keep detailed maintenance records on all my vehicles and since I've had my 1998 HSE for two years I decided to see how compared to my first two years of owning the 1989 Classic. With the Classic I had 580 separate maintenance and repair line items with a total cost of $4,908. With the HSE I have 264 separate maintenance and repair line items with a total cost of $6,205. I include all ownership costs (except gas and insurance) in my maintenance and repair sheets so the numbers above include registration smog checks and all other vehicle related costs including things like ski rack parts and things I probably could have lived without (like the $79 OEM leather e-brake handle from a 2002 HSE to replace the rubber one that came on my 1998). With the Classic I did about 90% of the maintenance and repair myself, but with the HSE I've only done about 30% of the maintenance and repairs myself so the bigger total includes a lot of labor and if I pull out the $1,457 AC problem that I had last summer (two shops worked on it before I paid a guy to remove the entire dash and replace the condenser) my HSE ownership cost for two years actually drops below the cost of owning the Classic. Kevin From bens Wed Aug 4 01:21:13 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i745LDVY024181 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 01:21:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i745LD9A024180 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 01:21:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 01:21:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200408040521.i745LDCD024176@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Vehicle Registration Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hmmmmmm...this could be why I've been getting a delay from Sacramento with one of the Rover registrations...it's all legal, though, but I was told that I may have to re-submit the whole thing again! Charles -----Original message----- From: "Kevin Kelly" kkelly6788@earthlink.net Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 19:32:50 -0700 To: "Mendo List" mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Vehicle Registration > > Since some Land Rover owners have been known to use creative methods to > register vehicles in California I thought the list might be interested in > the story below. > > I found out about Titles Unlimited this weekend when a friend told me that > the reason his Superpeformance Cobra replica was at home was because the FBI > came to his house and took his license plates, registration and pink slip > last week. [ 84 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Aug 4 04:32:23 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i748WNVY031820 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 04:32:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i748WNPo031819 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 04:32:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 04:32:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200408040832.i748WMLZ031815@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: To: Subject: Land Rover wrenching experience Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ null; ] [ 67 lines filtered. ] Hi all: Just got back from the mountains again, this time using the SIII only for hauling firewood back home from the forest, the weekend before for offroading. Speaking of wrenching, we just had our pampered '95 Discovery in for it's 60K service and it required another high pressure power steering hose (after less than 2 years), and a set of wheel bearings on the rear drivers side wheel, etc. etc. mucho $$$ again. For LRs, I much prefer my SIII, which after rough offroading only had a screw holding a sun visor come loose. It did have to have a clutch and brake job overhaul but only after ~ 20K - 30k miles including a fair amount of offroading in all conditions and alot of shifting in city driving. (By contrast to the Disco our Ford Expedition is used daily, has 54K miles and has towed my SIII numerous places. The only thing we've ever had it in for is routine service intervals and brake pads). I just purchased a complete LR Safari hardtop on ebay which is in reasonably good condition (needs repainting, dent fixed). It was located nearby and the guy selling me let me look at it before bidding. I will probably refurbish it for installation on my SIIa to improve the interior temperature during our >100 F summers. Still waiting for the SIIa to come back from Pat Young after having an engine rebuild though. Karen Sindir '74 SIII 88 Red Rufy '65 SIIa Barbaros '95 Disco EFE From bens Wed Aug 4 09:34:11 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i74DYBVY011124 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:34:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i74DYBJh011123 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:34:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:34:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200408041334.i74DYAiu011119@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Benjamin Allan Smith" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Vehicle Registration Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200408040351.i743pfPX019080@coriana6.fourfold.org>you wrote: > Well, I have to admit i dislike certain laws we have > regarding these vehicles we love be it Land-rovers or > motorcycles...but you have to live within teh damn laws > sometimes. The thing that worries me are things like LRs that were perfectly legal to import, but didn't have a title. Many xMOD trucks come in this way since all that they came with is some cases is a bill of sale and a record of discharge (or whatever the form is called). So the importer did the Titles Unlimited thing for themselves or for a buyer. Now the truck has been sold 2 or 3 times and you are the buyer. How do you know if it was a Titles Umlimited special that is now screwed--the CA title looked ok. What about the trucks that people have bought over the last few years are any of them taineted? What about barn finds that have been sitting for 30 years? Titles Unlimited used to be the way to go to get it back on the road. Ben From bens Wed Aug 4 11:14:01 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i74FE1VY015215 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:14:01 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i74FE1Pe015214 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:14:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:14:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200408041514.i74FE0sQ015210@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Maintenance and Repair Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Some of you might have met Roland in his white 89 Rangie on the Blue Lakes trip. Well that was his girlfriend's Rangie. After the trip he had all kinds of plans for it but was not allowed to impliment any of them because it was not his.... So He bought a bit of a fixer 87 Rangie off Ebay and had it dragged to his house. It was $975 which is cheap enough, but it needs a lot of work. We got it running and it had a noisy lifter but ran well for the 130,000 miles on the speedo. Then he bought thousands of dollars of upgraded suspension parts. Amongst them four new 33 inch high 10 inch wide tires and wheels and a four inch lift kit. He also bought a new oil pump, new 4.2 Cam, and 16 new lifters. Last night we tore deeper into the engine than I have ever been into an engine. The whole intake is off and the sump is off. The timing cover and water pump are both off too. The rocker covers are off and so are the all the rockere arms. You can shine a light right through the engine. EVERYTHING is full of sludge, ALL the gaskets were silicone. It is black inside with sludge everywhere. It is amazing that it ran at all. The plan is that tonight we put it back together with the new cam and lifters, then when running well, we lift it and put the huge tires under it. The end result will be a credible offroader for about $3,000. Any advice on a website that tells you how to put it back together with all the timing and positions set??? It is going to be Orange when it is finished and an additional "O" will be added to the front name where it says (O)RANGE ROVER on the hood. Should be fun. Also, I have recently had a new wiring harness put in my Series IIa and NOW it is "finished" Kind regards, Mark Pilkington. From bens Wed Aug 4 11:50:07 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i74Fo7VY016750 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:50:07 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i74Fo7iM016749 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:50:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:50:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200408041550.i74Fo6U0016745@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Chris De Jesus" To: Subject: Re: Maintenance and Repair Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mark, Sounds like the bug has really bitten Roland. Keep us up to date on the performance of his rebuilt motor. How is the Series running? Did you figure out your ignition problem? Look forward to seeing the (O)RANGE ROVER on the trails. Thanks again for the steering hose field repair. Bought a new hose from BP, took about 45 minutes to replace, including bleeding the system. I also bought a full set of spares, just in case. Regards, Chris D. Mudy_ovl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 8:14 AM Subject: Maintenance and Repair > > Some of you might have met Roland in his white 89 Rangie on the Blue Lakes > trip. Well that was his girlfriend's Rangie. After the trip he had all kinds > of plans for it but was not allowed to impliment any of them because it was > not his.... So He bought a bit of a fixer 87 Rangie off Ebay and had it > dragged to his house. It was $975 which is cheap enough, but it needs a lot > of work. > We got it running and it had a noisy lifter but ran well for the 130,000 > miles on the speedo. Then he bought thousands of dollars of upgraded > suspension parts. Amongst them four new 33 inch high 10 inch wide tires and > wheels and a four inch lift kit. He also bought a new oil pump, new 4.2 Cam, > and 16 new lifters. Last night we tore deeper into the engine than I have > ever been into an engine. The whole intake is off and the sump is off. The > timing cover and water pump are both off too. The rocker covers are off and > so are the all the rockere arms. You can shine a light right through the > engine. EVERYTHING is full of sludge, ALL the gaskets were silicone. It is > black inside with sludge everywhere. It is amazing that it ran at all. The > plan is that tonight we put it back together with the new cam and lifters, > then when running well, we lift it and put the huge tires under it. The end > result will be a credible offroader for about $3,000. > Any advice on a website that tells you how to put it back together with all > the timing and positions set??? > It is going to be Orange when it is finished and an additional "O" will > be added to the front name where it says (O)RANGE ROVER on the hood. > Should be fun. > Also, I have recently had a new wiring harness put in my Series IIa and NOW > it is "finished" > Kind regards, > Mark Pilkington. > > > From bens Wed Aug 4 12:10:53 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i74GArVY017611 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 12:10:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i74GAr7H017610 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 12:10:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 12:10:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200408041610.i74GAr3u017606@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: Maintenance and Repair Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Chris, the rat's nest of wiring was just too old and too cracked to stand any more repairs. (35 years) The Amp meter was designed for 20 amps and it has 60 going through it! Also, it is my mission to complete a Blue Lakes Trip without inconveniencing anyone, especially Eric who towed me home after the last electrical failure. There is not an old wire in the Land Rover any more. Everything is new and color coded and labelled. When you pull the dash forward, you are looking at three neat bundles and a speedo cable. Not a mass of tape and smoke and dead ends. What a joy it is. It also runs a lot better on eight cylinders than the seven that I went around Slickrock on. Any news on Niagra Rim anyone?? Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris De Jesus" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 8:50 AM Subject: Re: Maintenance and Repair > > Mark, > Sounds like the bug has really bitten Roland. Keep us up to date on the > performance of his rebuilt motor. How is the Series running? Did you > figure out your ignition problem? Look forward to seeing the (O)RANGE ROVER > on the trails. Thanks again for the steering hose field repair. Bought a > new hose from BP, took about 45 minutes to replace, including bleeding the > system. I also bought a full set of spares, just in case. > Regards, > Chris D. > Mudy_ovl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Pilkington" > To: [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Lakes > > trip. Well that was his girlfriend's Rangie. After the trip he had all > kinds > > of plans for it but was not allowed to impliment any of them because it > was > > not his.... So He bought a bit of a fixer 87 Rangie off Ebay and had it > > dragged to his house. It was $975 which is cheap enough, but it needs a > lot > > of work. > > We got it running and it had a noisy lifter but ran well for the [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] have > > ever been into an engine. The whole intake is off and the sump is off. The > > timing cover and water pump are both off too. The rocker covers are off > and > > so are the all the rockere arms. You can shine a light right through the > > engine. EVERYTHING is full of sludge, ALL the gaskets were silicone. It is > > black inside with sludge everywhere. It is amazing that it ran at all. The > > plan is that tonight we put it back together with the new cam and lifters, > > then when running well, we lift it and put the huge tires under it. The > end > > result will be a credible offroader for about $3,000. > > Any advice on a website that tells you how to put it back together with > all > > the timing and positions set??? > > It is going to be Orange when it is finished and an additional "O" > will > > be added to the front name where it says (O)RANGE ROVER on the hood. [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Aug 4 12:22:10 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i74GMAVY018056 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 12:22:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i74GMAjq018055 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 12:22:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 12:22:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200408041622.i74GMAbd018051@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Maintenance and Repair Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org You ARE going to clean out the sludge, aren't you? If you've gone that far, I'd put in new bearings(I'd bet those are down to the copper) and a new aftermarket timing chain assy. Oh yeah, new rocker assy's. That about an extra $500, tops. It'd really suck if it broke down out on the trail 'cuz of short-cuts. Penny-wise and all that. >>> mark@skywagons.com 08/04/04 08:14AM >>> Some of you might have met Roland in his white 89 Rangie on the Blue Lakes trip. Well that was his girlfriend's Rangie. After the trip he had all kinds of plans for it but was not allowed to impliment any of them because it was not his.... So He bought a bit of a fixer 87 Rangie off Ebay and had it dragged to his house. It was $975 which is cheap enough, but it needs a lot of work. We got it running and it had a noisy lifter but ran well for the 130,000 miles on the speedo. Then he bought thousands of dollars of upgraded suspension parts. Amongst them four new 33 inch high 10 inch wide tires and wheels and a four inch lift kit. He also bought a new oil pump, new 4.2 Cam, and 16 new lifters. Last night we tore deeper into the engine than I have ever been into an engine. The whole intake is off and the sump is off. The timing cover and water pump are both off too. The rocker covers are off and so are the all the rockere arms. You can shine a light right through the engine. EVERYTHING is full of sludge, ALL the gaskets were silicone. It is black inside with sludge everywhere. It is amazing that it ran at all. The plan is that tonight we put it back together with the new cam and lifters, then when running well, we lift it and put the huge tires under it. The end result will be a credible offroader for about $3,000. Any advice on a website that tells you how to put it back together with all the timing and positions set??? It is going to be Orange when it is finished and an additional "O" will be added to the front name where it says (O)RANGE ROVER on the hood. Should be fun. Also, I have recently had a new wiring harness put in my Series IIa and NOW it is "finished" Kind regards, Mark Pilkington. From bens Wed Aug 4 12:58:12 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i74GwCVY019436 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 12:58:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i74GwCnS019435 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 12:58:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 12:58:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200408041658.i74GwCGT019431@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: Maintenance and Repair Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Total cleaning yes, but not bearings or ring replacement. The rockers look great, so do the lifters so I am not sure why one was noisy. It's getting 16 new ones anyway as well as the cam. It might have been all the sludge that made the lifter noisy. Apparently Penzoil has a lot of wax in it and is responsible for the sludge. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Johnson" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 9:22 AM Subject: Re: Maintenance and Repair > > You ARE going to clean out the sludge, aren't you? If you've gone that > far, I'd put in new bearings(I'd bet those are down to the copper) and a > new aftermarket timing chain assy. Oh yeah, new rocker assy's. That > about an extra $500, tops. > It'd really suck if it broke down out on the trail 'cuz of short-cuts. > Penny-wise and all that. > > >>> mark@skywagons.com 08/04/04 08:14AM >>> [ 49 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Aug 4 14:36:54 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i74IasVY023445 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:36:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i74IasDC023444 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:36:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:36:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200408041836.i74Iar8J023440@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: hipine@att.net To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Orange Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...It is going to be Orange when it is finished and an additional "O" will be added to the front name where it says (O)RANGE ROVER on the hood....." Just like Bob Kolander's old Orange Rover. He sold that one a while back I think. Wonder what ever happened to it.... Heck, the way my memory is, he might still be driving it. Have to ask. -Dave G. From bens Thu Aug 5 08:57:58 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i75CvwVY004199 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:57:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i75Cvw2X004198 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:57:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:57:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200408051257.i75CvvaJ004194@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Bob and Sue B To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Maintenance and Repair Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org HI, I wouldn't blame it on Penzoil. I drove a 72 pontiac lemans with the 400 V8 for 250,000 miles before a rebuild and it was really clean inside. BUT I changed the oil every 5000 and the filter every 10,000. I only used penzoil. I would say the Rangy's previous owner didn't change the oil often or at all. Penzoil originally from Pennsylvania and was waxy based, most others from the west are asphalt based. A number of years ago, Penz bought a west coast company or refinery and now I don't think you can know where the oil originated. Bob B At 12:58 PM 8/4/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Total cleaning yes, but not bearings or ring replacement. The rockers look >great, so do the lifters so I am not sure why one was noisy. It's getting 16 >new ones anyway as well as the cam. It might have been all the sludge that >made the lifter noisy. Apparently Penzoil has a lot of wax in it and is >responsible for the sludge. >Mark > > >----- Original Message ----- [ 16 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Aug 5 09:37:16 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i75DbGVY005885 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:37:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i75DbGr6005884 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:37:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:37:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200408051337.i75DbGJ7005880@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: 1987 Range Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mark Pilkington wrote: > Some of you might have met Roland in his white 89 Rangie > on the Blue Lakes trip. Well that was his girlfriend's Rangie. > After the trip he had all kinds of plans for it but was not allowed > to impliment any of them because it was not his.... So He bought > a bit of a fixer 87 Rangie off Ebay and had it dragged to his house. > It was $975 which is cheap enough, but it needs a lot of work. > Then he bought thousands of dollars of upgraded > suspension parts. Amongst them four new 33 inch high 10 inch > wide tires and wheels and a four inch lift kit. All Range Rover owners should upgrade the axles before going to 33 inch tires, but it is even more important for older Range Rover owners who have the weaker (I think it is 12 spline vs. 24 spline) axles. On the Rubicon a few years back I was commenting on how many people we saw with snapped axles to a friend (who has a Jeep with a lockers and heavy duty axles). He explained that running even slightly larger tires puts a ton of extra stress on axles and as an example he had me grab a lug wrench and let me feel how by just moving my hand a couple inches out I was transmitting a lot more torque to the nut. I'm not an engineer, but since I know that I can transmit many times more power with an 18" breaker bar than I can with a 12" socket wrench. Remember Land Rover didn't go to full time 4WD in the Range Rover because the advertising department decided it was a good idea, they did it because the 1970 V8 (with less hp than a 1978 V8) was snapping axles in 2WD. Kevin From bens Thu Aug 5 09:39:42 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i75DdgVY005923 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:39:42 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i75DdgEP005922 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:39:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:39:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200408051339.i75DdfIN005918@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Jeremy Bartlett To: mendo Subject: RE: Maintenance and Repair Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bob wrote, "I wouldn't blame it on Penzoil. " Interesting info. on Penzoil Bob. I'll add though that through all my years of working on rover V-8s the worst ones for sludge and caking always have a Penzoil filter on them and presumably have Penzoil in them from Jiffy Lube or whereever. It's rather amazing how strong the correlation is. It definitely has a cakier (waxier??) build up compared to normal oil sludge. Of course it may be that theres a sub correlation between folks using Penzoil and infrequent maintenance but I'd be surprised. I don't have a tally of numbers of engines but it's easily in the hundred range. Bottom line is I'd never put Penzoil in mine. Jeremy From bens Thu Aug 5 09:48:18 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i75DmIVY006352 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:48:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i75DmImo006351 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:48:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:48:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200408051348.i75DmHtI006347@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Maintenance and Repair Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...I'm not so sure about that..... Roger Penske was sponsored by Penzoil for many years with his Indy Team, and I don't think they won more than one race between all the years, all the cars, and all the drivers - AFAIK mostly they dropped out due to oil contamination! (at least, all the years I was watching this was the case). At any rate, I've always heard nasty things about Penzoil, and so I've stayed away from it. Charles -----Original message----- From: Bob and Sue B bobnsueb@saber.net Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 05:57:58 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Maintenance and Repair > > HI, > I wouldn't blame it on Penzoil. I drove a 72 pontiac lemans with the 400 V8 > for 250,000 miles before a rebuild and it was really clean inside. BUT I > changed the oil every 5000 and the filter every 10,000. I only used penzoil. > I would say the Rangy's previous owner didn't change the oil often or at all. > Penzoil originally from Pennsylvania and was waxy based, most others from > the west are asphalt based. A number of years ago, Penz bought a west coast > company or refinery and now I don't think you can know where the oil [ 19 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Aug 5 10:48:00 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i75Em0VY008843 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:48:00 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i75Em0YV008842 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:48:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:48:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200408051448.i75Em0pI008838@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: 1987 Range Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I am sure that all this will happen and Roland will get stonger axles. It is an easy upgrade to do. I have them in my Series IIa. The minor lifter swap that we started two nights ago, ended last night with the whole engine on the floor in pieces. Roland broke down and bought a good used low milage 3.9 and two new heads. He is a mechanic and so is not worried by the mountain of greasy parts and piles of bolts and nuts that we have created. Tonight we put on the upgraded suspension and lift kit. Then, he will rebuild and overhaul various parts of the engine and we will have a fun packed evening putting it back in. After it is running and on it's own wheels again, we can do an axle swap. An amusing note here is that we had it jacked right up to remove the rear springs and wheels. The body is on axle stands and the axle is on a jack and the whole arse end is up in the air. Just for fun, we offered up the new wheels and tires to see what it would look like and found that it was not high enough to get the wheels under. If anyone is interested, I will let you know how things progress. Mark > All Range Rover owners should upgrade the axles before going to 33 inch > tires, but it is even more important for older Range Rover owners who have > the weaker (I think it is 12 spline vs. 24 spline) axles. On the Rubicon a > few years back I was commenting on how many people we saw with snapped axles > to a friend (who has a Jeep with a lockers and heavy duty axles). He > explained that running even slightly larger tires puts a ton of extra stress > on axles and as an example he had me grab a lug wrench and let me feel how > by just moving my hand a couple inches out I was transmitting a lot more > torque to the nut. I'm not an engineer, but since I know that I can > transmit many times more power with an 18" breaker bar than I can with a 12" > socket wrench. Remember Land Rover didn't go to full time 4WD in the Range > Rover because the advertising department decided it was a good idea, they > did it because the 1970 V8 (with less hp than a 1978 V8) was snapping axles > in 2WD. > > Kevin > > From bens Thu Aug 5 10:50:28 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i75EoSVY009051 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:50:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i75EoSKK009050 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:50:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:50:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200408051450.i75EoRM7009046@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Niagra Rim Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Has anyone heard if Niagra Rim is on or off. If it is off because of lack of time and other commitments, I might be able to organise it if someone tells me where it is and what to do. At least I am this side of the valley already. Thanks. Mark Pilkington. From bens Thu Aug 5 10:58:39 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i75EwdVY009265 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:58:39 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i75EwdmC009264 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:58:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:58:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200408051458.i75EwclB009260@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: 1987 Range Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org You'd think that L-R would have gotten a clue and beefed up the diff's and axels back then, BUT NO. Bunch a bloody wanking ba$t@rds. "Let's let Toyota do it right and we'll start losing market share and become a sucky little boutique car company that makes crappy product and live on our reputation from the '50's and early '60's." Obviously, a communist/socialist plot to infiltrate the British car companies with Soviet-style "central planning", strengthen the unions beyond all reality, and destroy the British car industry. $20 says somewhere in the murky depths of the old Soviet archives, it's all there in black and white. >>> kkelly6788@earthlink.net 08/05/04 06:37AM >>> I'm not an engineer, but since I know that I can transmit many times more power with an 18" breaker bar than I can with a 12" socket wrench. Remember Land Rover didn't go to full time 4WD in the Range Rover because the advertising department decided it was a good idea, they did it because the 1970 V8 (with less hp than a 1978 V8) was snapping axles in 2WD. Kevin From bens Thu Aug 5 13:16:22 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i75HGMVY014827 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:16:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i75HGMT7014826 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:16:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:16:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200408051716.i75HGL1H014822@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. Land Rover wrenching experience Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Karen, Congratulations! You got it for a fair price. I'd been watching it myself but since I don't yet have an 88 my personal threshhold was passed. Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 04:32:22 -0400 From: Subject: Land Rover wrenching experience Hi all: ....I just purchased a complete LR Safari hardtop on ebay which is in reasonably good condition (needs repainting, dent fixed). It was located nearby................ Karen Sindir '74 SIII 88 Red Rufy '65 SIIa Barbaros __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From bens Fri Aug 6 03:33:15 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i767XFVY018075 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 03:33:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i767XFJg018074 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 03:33:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 03:33:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200408060733.i767XEl0018070@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: To: Subject: Portland Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ null; ] [ 67 lines filtered. ] Hi all: Anyone going to the Portland Field Leak? My husband and I will be going in my SIII 88. Hope to see some of you there. Karen Sindir From bens Fri Aug 6 09:57:04 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i76Dv4VY000988 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:57:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i76Dv4Iv000987 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:57:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:57:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200408061357.i76Dv3Bt000983@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Portland Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Anyone going to the Portland Field Leak? My husband and I will be > going in my SIII 88. Hope to see some of you there. I have just set aside gas money for the trip & expect to be sending in my registration soon. T. J. Wakeman Santa Cruz, California http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman A member of the internet community since 1985. From bens Fri Aug 6 10:36:52 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i76EaqVY002751 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:36:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i76Eaq0p002750 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:36:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:36:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200408061436.i76EaqMU002746@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Portland Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm thinking about it. Since Land Rover is the 'Featured Mark", there should be some interesting examples, and ideas for modification. >>> sfmms@adelphia.net 08/06/04 12:33AM >>> [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ null; ] [ 67 lines filtered. ] Hi all: Anyone going to the Portland Field Leak? My husband and I will be going in my SIII 88. Hope to see some of you there. Karen Sindir From bens Fri Aug 6 11:26:21 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i76FQLVY004774 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:26:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i76FQLaH004773 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:26:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:26:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200408061526.i76FQLjV004769@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Portland Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...When is Portland??? (I'll print it this time!) Charles -----Original message----- From: sfmms@adelphia.net Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 00:33:15 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Portland > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ null; ] > [ 67 lines filtered. ] > > > Hi all: > > Anyone going to the Portland Field Leak? My husband and I will be going in my SIII 88. Hope to see some of you there. [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Aug 6 11:44:08 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i76Fi8VY005423 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:44:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i76Fi8L5005422 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:44:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:44:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200408061544.i76Fi8cS005418@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Portland Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > ...When is Portland??? (I'll print it this time!) Friday, 3 Sept: 6PM 'til 9:00 PM Pick up packets, Munches, no host bar Saturday, 4 Sept: Gates open for non-campers 8 AM Can-Am vintage racing 9 AM - 5PM British vehicle display & show Photo concourse Giant Slalom noon - 2 PM people's choice awards 3 PM BBQ dinner 6 PM then raffle Sunday, 5 Sept: Swap meet & British vehicles for sale opens at 8 AM Day 2 of Columbia River Classic Can Am racing Giant Slalom Noon to 2 PM Rallye first cars out 9 AM Off road excursions: PCRC is hosting a day off road driving in the Oregon Coast area for registered Lrs. Mild & moderate trails. Everything's pretty much over by 3 PM Sunday. www.abfm-pdx.com TeriAnn J. Wakeman Marigold Ltd. www.marigoldltd.com From bens Fri Aug 6 12:18:57 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i76GIvVY006849 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:18:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i76GIv3r006848 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:18:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:18:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200408061618.i76GIvUH006844@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Benjamin Allan Smith" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Portland Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200408061544.i76Fi8cS005418@coriana6.fourfold.org>you wrote: > people's choice awards 3 PM That reminds me of a story of the All British Field meet at Stowe, VT. It's about the same size as Portland--give or take. They too have a "people's" choice. Except now voting is nominial. You see, the organizers never really liked the LR people. And like many British cars, they like nice shiny, clean cars that are perfect. So one day the LR crew decided to try to see if they could get the dirtiest, unmaintained, barely limping Land Rover to win the LR category. So as people walked by the LR parking area, they bartered. Which LR are you voting for? Now most people didn't care. So in return for voting for LR # 1234 the LR people would vote for a car of the other people's choice. And a really nasty SIIA 109 SW won. This raised a few eyebrows. The organizers thought that it was a bizzare anomoly. The next year the LR crowed did the same thing for the Series category, the Range Rover category and one of the Jaguar ones. With great results. The same 109 won. As did a Range Rover rust bucket. And a Jag pile of parts. That got their attention. The next year the organizers looked at all of the cars, then looked at the ballots. Cars that the organizers didn't deem worthy were quietly ignored and supressed. The LR crew knew that they had enough ballots to get a majority to win. The organizers found out what happens when the masses start organizing on their own. Ben From bens Fri Aug 6 12:24:16 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i76GOFVY007056 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:24:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i76GOFfa007055 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:24:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:24:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200408061624.i76GOFG6007051@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: Maintenance and Repair Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Looking at this engine in pieces on the floor, I will never put Penzoil on or in anything. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Bartlett" To: "mendo" Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 6:39 AM Subject: RE: Maintenance and Repair > > Bob wrote, > > "I wouldn't blame it on Penzoil. " > > Interesting info. on Penzoil Bob. I'll add though that through all my > years of working on rover V-8s the worst ones for sludge and caking > always have a Penzoil filter on them and presumably have Penzoil in them > from Jiffy Lube or whereever. It's rather amazing how strong the [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Aug 6 12:31:14 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i76GVEVY007457 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:31:14 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i76GVEX7007456 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:31:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:31:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200408061631.i76GVDPc007452@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Portland Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Never happen in Portland. Lazy Buggers would never go to that much trouble to prove a point. >>> bens@fourfold.org 08/06/04 09:18AM >>> In message <200408061544.i76Fi8cS005418@coriana6.fourfold.org>you wrote: > people's choice awards 3 PM That reminds me of a story of the All British Field meet at Stowe, VT. It's about the same size as Portland--give or take. They too have a "people's" choice. Except now voting is nominial. You see, the organizers never really liked the LR people. And like many British cars, they like nice shiny, clean cars that are perfect. So one day the LR crew decided to try to see if they could get the dirtiest, unmaintained, barely limping Land Rover to win the LR category. So as people walked by the LR parking area, they bartered. Which LR are you voting for? Now most people didn't care. So in return for voting for LR # 1234 the LR people would vote for a car of the other people's choice. And a really nasty SIIA 109 SW won. This raised a few eyebrows. The organizers thought that it was a bizzare anomoly. The next year the LR crowed did the same thing for the Series category, the Range Rover category and one of the Jaguar ones. With great results. The same 109 won. As did a Range Rover rust bucket. And a Jag pile of parts. That got their attention. The next year the organizers looked at all of the cars, then looked at the ballots. Cars that the organizers didn't deem worthy were quietly ignored and supressed. The LR crew knew that they had enough ballots to get a majority to win. The organizers found out what happens when the masses start organizing on their own. Ben From bens Fri Aug 6 12:31:19 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i76GVJVY007470 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:31:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i76GVJVZ007469 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:31:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:31:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200408061631.i76GVIEb007465@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Maintenance and Repair Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org How thick was the layer of sludge in the bottom of the pan? >>> mark@skywagons.com 08/06/04 09:24AM >>> Looking at this engine in pieces on the floor, I will never put Penzoil on or in anything. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Bartlett" To: "mendo" Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 6:39 AM Subject: RE: Maintenance and Repair > > Bob wrote, > > "I wouldn't blame it on Penzoil. " > > Interesting info. on Penzoil Bob. I'll add though that through all my > years of working on rover V-8s the worst ones for sludge and caking > always have a Penzoil filter on them and presumably have Penzoil in them > from Jiffy Lube or whereever. It's rather amazing how strong the [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Aug 6 12:56:43 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i76GuhVY008452 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:56:43 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i76Guh1V008451 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:56:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:56:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200408061656.i76GuhqR008447@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Benjamin Allan Smith" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Portland Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200408061631.i76GVDPc007452@coriana6.fourfold.org>you wrote: > Never happen in Portland. > Lazy Buggers would never go to that much trouble to prove a point. It's amazing what can be done by a few people sitting around the club tent/trailer, drinking a few beers, and talking to whomever wanders by. Ben From bens Fri Aug 6 15:02:41 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i76J2fVY014366 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:02:41 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i76J2fsl014365 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:02:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:02:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200408061902.i76J2eik014361@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Young To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Maintenance and Repair Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jeremy added: > Bob wrote, > > "I wouldn't blame it on Penzoil. " > > Interesting info. on Penzoil Bob. I'll add though that through all my > years of working on rover V-8s the worst ones for sludge and caking > always have a Penzoil filter on them and presumably have Penzoil in them > from Jiffy Lube or whereever. It's rather amazing how strong the > correlation is. It definitely has a cakier (waxier??) build up compared [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] How about this correlative theory: * Vehicles with Penzoil filters were likely taken to Jiffy Lube-like places. * Jiffy Lube-like places change oil too fast, not allowing enough time for proper oil drainage. * Too much sludgie, cruddy oil remains in the oil pan, etc. * Repeat steps above. Years ago I worked for a mechanic, and we would let oil drain for a long time. He felt that the quick-change places did it too quickly, leaving more crud behind. Mobil 1 full synthetic for my Disco. It's expensive, but I don't feel good about doing the bargain thing with fluids (take Scotch, for instance). John Young (actually, I've never bought Scotch, only mooched it off others at opportune times) From bens Sat Aug 7 21:32:46 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i781WkVY022346 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:32:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i781WkYD022345 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:32:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:32:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200408080132.i781WjiQ022341@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: D90 Sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Last week I saw a well used white 1994 D90 on the Golden Gate Bridge. It had a lift kit, steel wheels and an OEM fiberglass top with a ski rack. The guy driving it looked like he was about Granny's age. Anyone we know? Kevin From bens Sat Aug 7 23:22:36 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i783MaVY026602 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 23:22:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i783MaXq026601 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 23:22:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 23:22:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200408080322.i783MaCX026597@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "FoothillsSIII" To: Subject: Invited: N. CA and N. NV Series Rovers And Their Owners Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All Series Rovers and the people (they own) that own them are invited to a Rover "show and tell" and bottling party for my custom brewed beer at Aerobrewing in Auburn, California on Saturday 21 August begining at noon and continuing until we run out of Rovers and stories. My custom brewed stout and snacks will be provided for all Series Rover people. If you must wound my pride and drink a pale imitation of a beer Aero has some (that are actually quite good) for sale. All the Rover groups are either too far or inactive, but I still want to get to know some fellow Roverphiles. My solution is to invite those of you who are in the area to this bottling. Please, email me at SeriesRover@speed-racer.com with questions, to RSVP, and for the address and directions. Todd 82 SIII _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com From bens Sat Aug 7 23:37:57 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i783bvVY027180 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 23:37:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i783bvJY027179 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 23:37:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 23:37:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200408080337.i783bvAO027175@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "FoothillsSIII" To: Subject: Introducing Myself Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello Mendo Recce Folks, Eric from the Rovers North BB pointed me toward your list, and suggested that I join and post the invitation (posted before this introduction, something about cart and horse comes to mind) to my Series Rover and beer gathering. I have admired Rovers, mostly Series, from afar for a long time. I kept bumping into this guy with a nice SIII 88" at the Post Office and MiniMart in our little town. In the interest of making a long story short, that nice damage; and it came home with me about a month ago. I am having so much fun with the beast that I am mad at myself for not getting one sooner. I hope to meet some of (your Rovers) you soon Todd SIII 88 _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com From bens Sat Aug 7 23:49:00 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i783n0VY027598 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 23:49:00 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i783n0Vs027597 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 23:49:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 23:48:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200408080348.i783mxIS027593@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Granville" To: Subject: Re: D90 Sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kevin, > The guy driving it looked like he was about Granny's age. Anyone we know? T'was not I! I'm still driving (and banging up) a '92 Range Rover. Granny From bens Sun Aug 8 00:06:51 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7846pVY028441 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 00:06:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7846oqM028440 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 00:06:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 00:06:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200408080406.i7846omJ028436@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Twakeman" To: "Mendo" Subject: Re: Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 2 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ application/octet-stream; name="Fish.cpl" ] [ 442 lines filtered. ] ----------sccnqegiemkrjsrigqsb From bens Sun Aug 8 09:31:58 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i78DVwVY024216 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 09:31:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i78DVwhx024215 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 09:31:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 09:31:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200408081331.i78DVwhj024211@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo rec list Subject: Calif Dormie & 109SW F.S. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm just passing this on for friends: I know a couple of long time series LR owners who have lost the bug over the years and are willing to sell their Land Rovers I will pass on their email address to anyone who is a truly interested buyer. 1967 sand coloured 109 station wagon. Supposed to be an OK driver, I have not personally seen this vehicle since 1980 and it was a nice condition complete daily driver at that time. Located in Boulder Creek near Santa Cruz, California. Owner has a tired Faery overdrive on the shelf as well that would go with the vehicle. It needs a complete overhaul. As I recall from 10 yrs ago it worked but was very noisy & was high miles. Land Rover Dormobile (maybe a '67 as well) green, has Chevy six cyl engine (series gearbox), owned long term by someone who tends to maintain things so I suspect it is in very good condition. Its been about 7 years since I have seen this one. But it was in very nice condition when I last saw it. Had home made roof rack over fixed part of roof. Located in Almaden Valley, near the San Jose California area. If seriously interested in buying either vehicle email me and i will pass on their name & email address. These are old friends and I prefer not to have them bothered by tyre kickers not seriously interested in buying. T.J. Wakeman Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance. From bens Sun Aug 8 09:38:49 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i78DcnVY024419 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 09:38:49 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i78DcnHP024418 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 09:38:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 09:38:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200408081338.i78DcnSL024414@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Hope Peter" To: the Land Rover Owner Mailing List Subject: New Addition Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Etahn Christopher Hope was delivered at 0359 AM PST on 8 August 2004. Deirdre had started bleeding again so they did an emergancy c-section. She was at 33 weeks today. The baby is doing fine. He has a good heart rate, doesn't need a breathing tube. He is being given O2 to help him breathe easier. His Blood Pressure is low but they working on that. Pete From bens Sun Aug 8 09:49:54 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i78DnsVY024851 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 09:49:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i78DnssY024850 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 09:49:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 09:49:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200408081349.i78DnsVc024846@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Bob and Sue B To: "mendo recce-fourfold.org" Subject: penzoil and others Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, I forgot to mention in the post about penzoil, when we rebuilt the pontiac engine after 250,000 miles, it was really clean inside. Here is a post I found on a cadillac discussion site, Very interesting at least..... Bob B As posted: I saw it with my own eyes, looked at it happen for 3 full hours. What's in your oil? I just got back from a place called Newell, WV it was a goose chase, My Company sent me to pick up 47000 lbs of oil. Shell Oil. The night mare was, that the directions were wrong and no one in the small town knew of Shell oil co in town. Well, it was there, It was showered with Quaker state signs. So, I go in and get ready to load. While I am being loaded I see boxes of Oil of every brand, you name it! Wolf's Head, Shell, Quaker State, Pennzoil, Wal Mart, The list is endless. So I ask the guy in charge what the hell is going on? He explains who bought who and several merges. He informs me that it all comes from the same spout, every last drop! He shows me the area where it all happens, How your oil is made and packaged. Man I was depressed, all this time I was spending extra money and not getting anything? Well, no, he explains, and then he shows me the area where the oils is made different. What makes the only difference? The additives line. Yep! They use additives in their oil! I asked for an opinion, he explains that what I use probably has the most "Good Stuff in it" And the worse in his opinion, was brand Wal Mart. The least. "Almost Water he explains." Well, I feel better, and I am also still going to add what I add to my oil, they do it! Price does make a difference, the more they add the more it will cost. If you add more, it cost even more. One thing is for sure, you won't want to put in Wal Mart oil without putting in an additive. I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant. From bens Sun Aug 8 09:59:50 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i78DxoVY025270 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 09:59:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i78Dxo5Z025269 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 09:59:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 09:59:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200408081359.i78DxoeC025265@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Michael Slade To: Subject: Re: New Addition Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org CONGRATULATIONS! I'll chew a bubble-gum cigar in celebration! Hope mom and baby are doing fine. Now you have a new project, for sure! Take care, and don't skimp on the sleep you'll manage to get. Hehe. Mike on 8/8/04 6:38 AM, Hope Peter at hope_peter@bah.com wrote: > > Etahn Christopher Hope was delivered at 0359 AM PST on 8 August 2004. > > Deirdre had started bleeding again so they did an emergancy c-section. > She was at 33 weeks today. > > The baby is doing fine. He has a good heart rate, doesn't need a > breathing tube. He is being given O2 to help him breathe easier. His > Blood Pressure is low but they working on that. [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Aug 8 12:42:39 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i78GgdVY031835 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 12:42:39 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i78Ggdu8031834 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 12:42:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 12:42:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200408081642.i78GgdNx031830@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: tomw To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New Addition Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Sun, 2004-08-08 at 06:38, Hope Peter wrote: > Etahn Christopher Hope was delivered at 0359 AM PST on 8 August 2004. > Congrads & welcome to the club! I hope everthing goes smooth... and as Mr Slade said: you better start making deposits to the sleep bank while you can :) > > Pete -- TomW From bens Sun Aug 8 21:29:21 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i791TLVY019684 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 21:29:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i791TLT8019683 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 21:29:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 21:29:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200408090129.i791TKkK019679@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Niagra Rim Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mark Pilkington wrote: >Has anyone heard if Niagra Rim is on or off. If it is off because of lack of >time and other commitments, I might be able to organise it if someone tells >me where it is and what to do. At least I am this side of the valley >already. >Thanks. >Mark Pilkington. > > I am beginning to plan a Niagara Rim NCRC trip, and would welcome any help. C From bens Sun Aug 8 22:55:24 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i792tOVY023176 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 22:55:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i792tNeD023163 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 22:55:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 22:55:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200408090255.i792tMDf023152@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Twakeman" To: "Mendo" Subject: Re: Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 2 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ application/octet-stream; name="Music_MP3.cpl" ] [ 630 lines filtered. ] ----------safktkvifstupeulsrud From bens Mon Aug 9 08:25:06 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i79CP6VY014736 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:25:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i79CP5xg014735 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:25:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:25:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200408091225.i79CP5Wq014731@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Benjamin Allan Smith" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200408090255.i792tMDf023152@coriana6.fourfold.org>you wrote: > [ 2 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] > [ application/octet-stream; name="Music_MP3.cpl" ] > [ 630 lines filtered. ] I've seen this come through twice now. This is a Bagle virus varient. Bagle raids the victim's address book and forges mail from one addres to another. So TeriAnn didn't send the virus--someone else does. From looking at my logs, I see that it came from: relay=pcp05005115pcs.lvngst01.md.comcast.net [68.49.159.12] So if there is anyone here using comcast, you might want to make sure that your virus scanner is up to date. This could easily have come from a non-mendo person since people cross post to mendo and to other lists like LRO. Ben From bens Mon Aug 9 09:52:18 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i79DqIVY018276 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:52:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i79DqIeW018275 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:52:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:52:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200408091352.i79DqIH6018271@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: Niagra Rim Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Chris, if its in September, I may be able to make it. -Rob From bens Mon Aug 9 09:54:36 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i79DsaVY018294 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:54:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i79DsaOt018293 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:54:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:54:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200408091354.i79DsZ7X018289@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: Off Roaded RR Sighting at Eagle Lake Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was camping with my oldest daughter and parents at Eagle Lake this weekend. We were in the RR LWB with our tent trailer. There was a nice lifted RR Classic with Safari gard stuff on both ends, and mud terrains. My dad talked to the owner, but I never had a chance to catch up because I was entertaining my 2 year old. Anyone on the list? -Rob From bens Mon Aug 9 15:18:01 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i79JI1VY031421 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:18:01 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i79JI1H9031420 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:18:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:18:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200408091918.i79JI1DF031416@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Elam, Gerry \(Corporate\)" To: Subject: RE: New Addition Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 21 lines filtered. ] Congratulations on the new arrival! Best wishes to all of y'all! Cheers, Gerry PHX AX From bens Mon Aug 9 18:54:36 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i79MsaVY007795 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 18:54:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i79MsaS8007794 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 18:54:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 18:54:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200408092254.i79MsaTB007790@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo \(E-mail\)" Subject: CT110 spotted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Happened to be in a colleague's office just now (he has a window on 3rd St here in beeeautiful Jack London Sq, Oakland) and Dom Dias' Camel Trophy 110 drove past. Paint looks like it's fading a bit but he still has all the accoutrements (sand ladders, shovel, pick, decals, etc). Cheers, Blair (who's gone back to his LR roots-- no more Defender (sad) only the 109 (glad)) -------------------------------------------------------- This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information intended for the specific individual or entity addressed, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient you must not disseminate, forward, print or copy it in any form or take any action or reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message or by calling +1 510-844-3000. Thank you. -------------------------------------------------------- From bens Tue Aug 10 00:34:27 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7A4YRVY022936 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:34:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7A4YRJP022935 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:34:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:34:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200408100434.i7A4YRtO022931@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Hope Peter" To: the Land Rover Owner Mailing List Subject: First Photo Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ethan's 1st photo is up www.aloharovers.com Thanks again everyone :):):):) From bens Tue Aug 10 18:18:50 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7AMIoVY002491 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:18:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7AMIokS002490 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:18:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:18:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200408102218.i7AMInBt002486@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo \(E-mail\)" Subject: gasket goop Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, When replacing a fuel pump on a 2.25, what is the recommended sealant.. Hylomar or what? I have the genuine gasket, but can't remember what to use on it. Thanks. Blair -------------------------------------------------------- This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information intended for the specific individual or entity addressed, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient you must not disseminate, forward, print or copy it in any form or take any action or reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message or by calling +1 510-844-3000. Thank you. -------------------------------------------------------- From bens Tue Aug 10 18:25:46 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7AMPkVY002910 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:25:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7AMPk7E002909 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:25:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:25:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200408102225.i7AMPkqE002905@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: Re: gasket goop Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org i've used aviation gasket goo, a redish material, with good success ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 3:18 PM Subject: gasket goop > > Hi, > > When replacing a fuel pump on a 2.25, what is the recommended sealant.. Hylomar or what? I have the genuine gasket, but can't remember what to use on it. Thanks. > > Blair > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information intended for the specific individual or entity addressed, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient you must not disseminate, forward, print or copy it in any form or take any action or reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message or by calling +1 510-844-3000. > > Thank you. > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > From bens Tue Aug 10 18:43:23 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7AMhNVY003549 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:43:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7AMhNRC003548 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:43:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:43:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200408102243.i7AMhM63003544@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: hipine@att.net To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: gasket goop Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Darned near anything will work. That's not a real high performance requirement area. I always had good luck with Hylomar HPF, but prefered it for reasons related to it's general characteristics more so than anything in particular about the fuel pump ap. -Dave G. From bens Tue Aug 10 19:20:42 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7ANKgVY005133 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:20:42 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7ANKgwV005132 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:20:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:20:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200408102320.i7ANKg64005128@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: StevHutch@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Aloha Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cute rascal. Ethan is looking pink and strong... BTW..my wife and I have another on the way now too. Looks like I'll be trading my 88 for a 109 sometime in the near future.. - Steve H. ================ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:34:27 -0400 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: First Photo Ethan's 1st photo is up www.aloharovers.com Thanks again everyone :):):):) From bens Tue Aug 10 19:42:22 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7ANgMVY005972 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:42:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7ANgMck005971 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:42:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:42:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200408102342.i7ANgMwM005967@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Movies Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Watch the M. Night. Shaylaman movie "The Village" if you like Land Rovers. Say no more ; ; ; From bens Tue Aug 10 23:55:37 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7B3tbVY015822 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:55:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7B3tbOK015821 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:55:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:55:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200408110355.i7B3taRu015817@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Crocuta To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Village spoilers..don't read if you don't want a tip to the Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Mark wrote: >Watch the M. Night. Shaylaman movie "The Village" if you like Land Rovers. >Say no more ; ; ; Altho that will give it away in and of itself... but who cares. *g* I guessed the twist halfway through. The most excitement I had in the movie was when the first shot of the Land Rover comes in (the interior) I nudged my wife and said "Does that ash tray look familiar?" and guessed the make off that. Nice to see the only two vehicles you see are D90 SWs. On Speed a while back there was the Acropolis rally of 1981 and they had a few LR shots in the background and one worker broadcasting from inside one. It was really neat! Love that sort of stuff! OH on a side note. I now know how to do timing belts on the 300TDi.. then again David Jenden made it look easy. It was fun talking Rovers and working on the truck! It is now good to go for the next outing. I don't know which I'll be able to make however. Also when is the next Pub Night? -Marshall From bens Wed Aug 11 11:58:29 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7BFwTVY013605 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:58:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7BFwT9w013604 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:58:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:58:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200408111558.i7BFwThJ013600@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Pascal Schuback" To: Subject: Looking for a dog guard Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 33 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Everyone. =20 My brother bought a disco 1 for his wife. Now every memebr of the = family drives a rover! So we are looking for the dog guard so that the = dog dosen't slobber and lick the baby all the time. Does anybody have = one they like to part with or know of one? Were in Portland, OR. Thanks. Pascal 503.781.4430 pascal@schuback.com From bens Thu Aug 12 22:43:39 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7D2hdVY002472 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:43:39 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7D2hdZR002471 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:43:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:43:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200408130243.i7D2hdZa002467@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: someone is unclear on the concept Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 17 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=3D1&item=3D24= 86235764&category=3D6296 From bens Thu Aug 12 23:06:25 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7D36PVY003461 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:06:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7D36PAF003460 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:06:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:06:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200408130306.i7D36OWX003456@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: someone is unclear on the concept Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Huh? Invalid Item The item you requested (86235764) is invalid, still pending, or no longer in our database. Please check the number and try again. If this message persists, the item has either not started and is not yet available for viewing, or has expired and is no longer available. what is teh right #? --- Daniel Oppenheim wrote: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; ] > [ 17 lines filtered. ] > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=3D1&item=3D24= > 86235764&category=3D6296 > From bens Thu Aug 12 23:12:01 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7D3C1VY003677 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:12:01 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7D3C1Hf003676 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:12:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:12:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200408130312.i7D3C0iS003672@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: Re: someone is unclear on the concept Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Archibald" To: Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 8:06 PM Subject: Re: someone is unclear on the concept > > Huh? > > Invalid Item > The item you requested (86235764) is invalid, still > pending, or no longer in our database. Please check the > number and try again. If this message persists, the item > has either not started and is not yet available for > viewing, or has expired and is no longer available. [ 18 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Aug 12 23:29:30 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7D3TUVY004282 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:29:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7D3TUdn004281 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:29:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:29:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200408130329.i7D3TTPA004277@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: someone is unclear on the concept Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org again......huh? whatever you wrote got trimmed somehow?? --- Daniel Oppenheim wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Archibald" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 8:06 PM > Subject: Re: someone is unclear on the concept > > Huh? > > Invalid Item > > The item you requested (86235764) is invalid, still > > pending, or no longer in our database. Please check the > > number and try again. If this message persists, the > item > > has either not started and is not yet available for > > viewing, or has expired and is no longer available. > [ 18 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Aug 12 23:33:05 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7D3X5VY004486 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:33:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7D3X5KI004485 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:33:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:33:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200408130333.i7D3X5XR004481@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: To: Subject: Mog in my parking lot Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 2 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ null; ] [ image/pjpeg; ] [ 6705 lines filtered. ] This has appeared for the past 2 weeks or so in the parking lot of the company I work at (picture is not from the parking lot). Now I guess I no longer have the most unusual vehicle anymore. Karen Sindir From bens Fri Aug 13 01:46:22 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7D5kMVY011390 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 01:46:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7D5kMUf011389 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 01:46:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 01:46:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200408130546.i7D5kMY5011385@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Aidan McLeer" To: Subject: Re: someone is unclear on the concept Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Found it..... Item number: 2486235764 Later Aidan Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail, Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying "Dude, that was awesome " http://community.webshots.com/user/auditech ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Archibald" To: Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 8:29 PM Subject: Re: someone is unclear on the concept From bens Fri Aug 13 10:33:03 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7DEX3VY032254 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:33:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7DEX3Fx032253 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:33:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:33:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200408131433.i7DEX31C032249@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Hope Peter" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: someone is unclear on the concept Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2486235764 Wow that is some rover. First thing I notice is that the seller has blocked out their feedback responses. They have had 79 people leave positive and 12 leave negative. Ooooh I wanna see those responses. I would love to hear what folks have to say about the firm that built the Rover http://www.bellargio.com/ Interesting that there available vehicles are from Nov 02. What I really want to know is other then the ID plate what other part came off a 1970 Land Rover. Is there any other car in the world where you could take a 1958 model and totally rebuild it with new parts and it comes out looking like a 2004 model? I really wonder if one of the reasons behind Fords redesign isnt linked to someone whispering in their ear that they needed to change it to protect them selfs from liability? Later :) Pete Aidan McLeer wrote: > Found it..... Item number: 2486235764 > > > > Later > Aidan > > > Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail, [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Aug 13 14:14:27 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7DIEQVY008564 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:14:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7DIEQ4n008563 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:14:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:14:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200408131814.i7DIEQ0O008559@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Daniel E. Smith" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: someone is CONFUSED! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...or you could just buy a RR. What the hell is that ugly thing? I can't even think why someone would build such a vehicle...is drug use that high in the UK? Why pipm-out a 130 CC...WHY? You know all this grew out of the 90 right? As well it's proof that you should not polish a turd. I think I'm gonna be sick. Daniel __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From bens Fri Aug 13 17:27:05 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7DLR5VY016395 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:27:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7DLR5BP016394 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:27:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:27:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200408132127.i7DLR4vx016390@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Roger Sinasohn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: NCRC Ham Radio class? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I saw a note about a ham radio class offered last fall by NCRC... Are there any plans to have another? Who should we poke and prod to convince them to do it? I've decided, for a number of reasons, that it would be a good idea for Rachel and I both to have our Ham licenses. Number one, of course is Rover trips. (Now that we have the birthing business out of the way, it's time to get focused on what's really important -- Land Rovers!) Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From bens Sun Aug 15 01:42:24 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7F5gOVY030673 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 01:42:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7F5gOJA030672 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 01:42:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 01:42:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200408150542.i7F5gOAh030668@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mog in my parking lot Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...didja slap a Land Rover sticker on the bonnet??? :) Charles - still waiting to see what GEICO will do for my series rigs, but at least I have the Ford back!!! (after 5 weeks, $7k in repairs, & about $1300 for the rental that I had for free! But, your REALLY can't tell that it had ever been hit!) -----Original message----- From: sfmms@adelphia.net Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:33:05 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Mog in my parking lot > > [ 2 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ null; ] > [ image/pjpeg; ] > [ 6705 lines filtered. ] > > > This has appeared for the past 2 weeks or so in the parking lot of the company I work at (picture is not from the parking lot). Now I guess I no longer have the most unusual vehicle anymore. > [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Aug 15 02:25:28 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7F6PSVY032478 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 02:25:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7F6PSdG032477 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 02:25:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 02:25:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200408150625.i7F6PRon032473@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: drive around the world Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ref: http://www.drivearoundtheworld.com/ I haven't paid attention lately to the Drive Around The World team and just realized Nick made a decent "talk" last month. Since list traffic has been light, I thought I'd post it. Regards, Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW My name is Nick Baggarly. My team and I are driving our vehicles around the world…again. You know the past, but you can’t change it. You don’t know the future, but everything you do changes everything. A famous writer said that. Another famous writer said, “The things we do now have a tremendous impact and even grow in time.” And one of my favorite writers said, “what’s more interesting than people?” If you’re anything like me you look at our world each day, and each day you regard it a bit differently. Sometimes it’s wonderful and beautiful. Sometimes it’s harsh and scary. A lot of this depends on mood, but if you get in a car and drive around a bit -- you don’t have to go outside your country, just go a bit beyond your comfort zone, whatever that might be -- you’ll come back a different person. Our projects are about people meeting people. Humans working to achieve something larger than themselves. Humans using the resources at their disposal, a few resources of others, and doing what they love to do, to effect change. History It began with a move to Northern California and a vehicle I purchased. A 1966 Land Rover. I became active with an online community that centered around an annual camping trip in the Mendocino National Forest. It was a list server (a discussion group), and if you imagine a virtual campfire with a bunch of fascinating people all sitting around, talking about whatever, that’s what I got caught up in. Mostly we’d talk about the subject of the community—Land Rovers—what we were using them for, what we were fixing, or restoring, anything that came to mind really, and lots of other topics too. A fine bunch of petroheads! One day there was talk about a guy from Atlanta who was driving to Belize to deliver medical supplies to some villages down there. A bunch of people from different places across the US said, “we want to go too” and this guy said, “OK, as long as you bring your share of medical supplies.” Two months later we were on our way from California to Belize. Our route down and back was different so we called that expedition the “Crazy-8.” Because that’s what it looked like on a map. And that was it. We had completed our first expedition. It didn’t take long to figure out what to do next. When we returned home we heard about two 65-year old guys from Wisconsin. They’d just driven around the world in a 1954 Packard convertible. I think my response was, “can you really do that!?” And the planning began for the LATITUDE Expedition: A drive around the world from Beijing to San Francisco—traveling westbound for 78 days. We did that too. Drive Around the World : the group I have learned that, when people come together, we’re suddenly capable of extraordinary things. We can make amazing accomplishments. Our organization is really a place where people can bring their projects. If someone proposes something, and everyone likes it, we all do it together. That’s the culture we’re trying to develop. The team represents a collision of explorers, engineers, and thinkers—all fascinating personalities. Many of them have day jobs that take them in other directions, but we choose to associate here because of an aptitude and curiosity we all possess. And this is a place where fun and interesting projects are developed. I think everyone possesses an interest in exploring or figuring out how something works-- why things are the way they are. This organization helps us develop our skills. We all enjoy working on something that’s larger than ourselves. Crazy ambitious projects--it’s not driven by personal ambition, but more by a desire to make very large and strange things happen. They’re bizarre, strange, fun, and surprisingly possible. I believe that our societies and civilizations aren’t bad in general, they just have bugs. One of those bugs is that people need to learn how to rally together to solve tough problems. To get people to understand this, you could say, “hey we need to do something,” or you can simply throw something new and fun out there, give it what it needs, and watch the spark take fire. Then it’s up to the rest of us to keep it going. The Expedition Looking back I see a series of events that have slowly been steering us where we are and, based on where you’ve been, you begin to see where you want to go. We want to get better at exploring—eventually we’ll define new ways of exploring. We want to be an example that encourages others to hear and act on their own intuitions. We want to educate—to leave a good impression and inspire our future explorers. The LONGITUDE project was created with a very clear set of goals that moves us in this direction. About Missions A project like this is so empowering because you realize how your actions amplify down a period of time. It’s not empowering, because it’s surrounded with obstacles and challenges and a constant need to persuade those who don’t see it. It gives mission to our lives. Our life may be one great mission, it may be a series of them, or it may be devoid of mission. It’s entirely up to us. We’re hoping to answer the question, “just how good are we at helping people?” Why Parkinsons? Click HERE and we’ll tell you. The idea for LONGITUDE came from my wife, Chanda. This drive is being a fundraiser for Parkinson’s Disease because the disease affects our families. If you’re going to do something extraordinary, why not take more than passengers along? Why not take a cause? It’s a great way to maximize what we’re doing. They way we work is this: We come up with an idea, decide whether we can really make an impact, obtain buy-in from the group, and move on it. This is what I call, “the deep dive”, and we did one on Parkinson’s research and came up saying, “YES, this is something we can definitely do.” The idea of LONGITUDE is really to come up with, and encourage new and innovative fundraising ideas. We’ve chosen to focus our team, our vehicles, and our ideas on Parkinson’s research, but we hope people will adapt it to other areas. Whatever personally affects them. Why do I get involved in these things? A few elements need to exist for me to get excited about anything. The project needs to be unusual, it should be ambitious, and it needs to be extremely forward looking and offer a lot of encouragement and hope. These are the elements that make it easy to give one’s best, day-in and day-out. The expedition event is a carrier of sorts, kind of like a drone in a melody. When we get up every day, we know what we’re supposed to do. We’re driving around the world. That’s our focus. But it is our programs that make the difference. They weave in and out of each day and the constant moving of our team ensures the programs move along, too. Will it work? I won’t be surprised if it works. I’ll be surprised if it doesn’t work. When you have an idea that you’re passionate about, you envision the outcome very clearly and you plow ahead toward it. You might not see it entirely, but it comes to you as you go. I’m occasionally surprised when we reach a different outcome, but when you stay on top of things, it’s surprising how you can steer your ideas in any direction you want to go. Why a drive around the World? Why LONGITUDE? Why not? You have to focus your efforts somehow. People say it’s unsafe to travel right now. They said the same thing before our ’99 LATITUDE Expedition, but our timing then was perfect. The Middle-East is now a hotspot, and you just can’t do now what we did then. Maybe in a way they were right, though. The world is a bit unsafe, and that means the world needs people like us now more than ever. The Vehicles The key to completing an extraordinary undertaking is to approach challenges with a childlike perspective and always keep it exciting and fun. Traveling at this pace is refreshing. There’s a certain slowness to this sort of travel, and I like that. We used older Land Rovers before; they were forty years old, low-tech, and slow. But in countries with undeveloped or poorly maintained road systems, they actually clip along at a reasonable pace. These vehicles are easy to repair because few special tools are required and parts are interchangeable and available most anywhere. They run great on low-octane regular or unleaded gas and they don’t overheat. The older Land Rovers are low in power, high in reliability, and seldom travel over 60 miles-per-hour, so if there’s an accident, we stand a good chance of walking away. They rarely break down, and their age makes them inexpensive to insure or obtain import bonds at the borders. Their appearance allows them to sail through border crossings, and people love them! Ok, this ends my tribute to vintage Land Rovers. Let me tell you a little about our Certified Discoverys! At first I wasn’t crazy about this model. A 4.6 liter V8 engine? We need economy, not power, right? Air conditioning? Comfortable seats? Not what we wanted…or did we? I have always said that this expedition is a “charmed project”, and things just seem to work out for our team, and the Discovery follows this theme. When you’re on a two lane undivided highway, as much as we are, on mountain roads winding up steep switchbacks, and it’s nighttime, and it’s raining, and that dog-of-a-semi in front of you signals that it’s ok to pass (uphill around a blind corner), well… you don’t (unless you’re a fool!) You wait until there’s a safe stretch and then you gun it. Now what happens next really depends quite a bit on what you’re driving. Our Certified Discoverys have a strong V8 engine with plenty of get-up-and-go power to get us around slower vehicles safely and pacify these hair-raising moments. Even in the foulest weather we feel safe and stuck to the road in these vehicles. Looking back, I suppose safety was the most important factor in my decision to take the Discovery II. And that’s just the beginning. This vehicle has a feature list a mile long. Take Hill Descent Control (HDC) for example. As an off-road enthusiast, and an engineer, I thought this feature was invented in a board room and placed straight to the marketing brochure. But seeing is believing. After witnessing this feature in action one word describes HDC: ‘Ingenious.’ Wait, I’ll give it another word. ‘Clever.’ If you like driving off road, you’ll smile like a twelve-year-old when HDC kicks in and the vehicle just inches down the hill. The same goes for Electronic Traction Control; Just like driving the legendary Land Rovers, you can really feel the vehicle sensing and grabbing the ground. Reduced wheel spinning is what any off road driver wants and it doesn’t tear up the place so it’s good for the environment as well. Wouldn’t it be great to be a fly on the wall when the engineers came up with that one! The smooth ride is unprecedented. I could go on an on in a chat room about the benefits of a coil suspension over leaf but I’ll spare you. (You’re welcome.) The A/C is awesome (dual controls!). Everything is right there in front of you and the interior is especially comfortable—again not what I though we needed but, in retrospect it’s exactly what we needed. Talk to the rally drivers and they’ll tell you all about their bad backs but when this 50,000 kilometer endurance drive-a-thon is over we definitely won’t be at the finish line with back problems, that’s for sure. Life has a way of making sure you get what you need and with these vehicles, we certainly did. We still have a low-tech approach to solving problems. I believe the most elegant solutions are simple ones, but don’t let that fool you. To support our ideas, a technologically rich infrastructure is required to provide advanced communications, navigation, and imagery. I’ll talk more about that next time. Until then, drive safely. Nick Baggarly p.s. I’d like you to support us. Make a donation to Parkinson’s research and maybe you’ll win one of our Land Rovers in the raffle at the end. 100% goes to research, so click HERE and do it today. Help support our cause: The LONGITUDE Expedition is the longest journey ever attempted with a focus on Parkinson's Disease. The Drive Around the World team aims to raise money for Parkinson’s Disease research by driving four Certified, Pre-Owned Land Rover Discoverys around the globe following lines of longitude. Readers are encouraged to pledge small amounts of money per expedition-kilometer via a pledge form that can be found on our Parkinson’s page by clicking HERE. One hundred percent of donations received go directly to Parkinson's research, and all who donate $10 or more will be entered into a raffle to win an expedition-equipped Land Rover Discovery. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From bens Sun Aug 15 03:51:41 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7F7pfVY003361 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 03:51:41 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7F7pfdt003360 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 03:51:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 03:51:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200408150751.i7F7pfdY003356@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: To: Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1411 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ null; ] [ 146 lines filtered. ] ...didja slap a Land Rover sticker on the bonnet??? No Charles, he might use my SIII for rock crawling practice. My offroad club at work might invite him along on a trip just to watch him or bum a ride. That Bellargio thing would be the perfect "flavor of the month" for the trend obsessed here in LA. New Range Rovers, H2s, H2s in limo form, Gelandewagons, and of course H1s are all too common. Discos are just for suburban soccer moms here. I've even spotted a couple of Dodge Magnums recently. Just hauled my *new* safari top home and pulled off the sides, headliner, vents, alpine window glass. Everything looks original and in reasonably good shape. Will drill out the rivets securing the sun sheet tomorrow. Owner threw in the top of the rear door and the door glass too. Not bad for under $300. I will get the sunsheet and roof painted, put in new insulation & a headliner, reinstall the alpine windows. Only problem is choosing which LR to put it on. Alas the crankshaft of my SIIa 88 is trash, but at least it did not throw a rod. Good thing is the block is beautiful, pistons & rods are good. Hope to get it back from Pat Young in a couple of weeks or so. Karen Sindir From bens Mon Aug 16 01:41:08 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7G5f7VY028831 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 01:41:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7G5f71O028830 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 01:41:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 01:41:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200408160541.i7G5f7Ti028826@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Aidan McLeer" To: Subject: Sightings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Visiting my brother in Sunnyvale this weekend saw 2 series trucks (1 109 and 1 88) on Sunnyvale Ave. both light green Later Aidan Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail, Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying "Dude, that was awesome " http://community.webshots.com/user/auditech From bens Mon Aug 16 08:58:37 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7GCwbVY014135 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:58:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7GCwb4e014134 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:58:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:58:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200408161258.i7GCwalU014130@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Bob and Sue B To: "mendo recce-fourfold.org" Subject: New fuel tank recall RR and disco Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi all, I just read in Trailer Life magazine that there is another recall for the fuel tanks. At least it is treated like a new one. 45,267 (94-97) Discovery series one and Range Rover Classic. The plastic tank can develop stress cracks and leak. NHTSA recall number O4V203, Land Rover recall number R156. Bob B From bens Mon Aug 16 09:33:23 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7GDXNVY015650 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:33:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7GDXNPH015649 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:33:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:33:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200408161333.i7GDXNvU015645@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sightings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org had a nice chat with the customs guy in SFO about someone in Sunnyvale who owns several landies, including an ambulance. Who is that? BTW, if they let you through customs without paying anything or giving you a bill, are you home free? I had more than I was allowed to bring in, but declared it all and had several nice chats with folks. I don't know if they let me go, or if I'll get a customs bill in the mail. cheers, On Aug 15, 2004, at 10:41 PM, Aidan McLeer wrote: > > Visiting my brother in Sunnyvale this weekend saw 2 series trucks (1 > 109 and > 1 88) on Sunnyvale Ave. both light green > > > > > Later [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby", 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2000 custom fixed gear (I built the frame), 2002 Merlin Extra Fat, 2004 Steve Rex (done!) ours: 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Mon Aug 16 11:06:32 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7GF6WVY019693 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:06:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7GF6Wv9019692 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:06:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:06:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200408161506.i7GF6Vk8019688@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sightings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > BTW, if they let you through customs without paying anything or giving > you a bill, are you home free? That has always been the case for me. Its my understanding that if they require customs payment that you will need to pay it prior to exiting the international terminal with the goods. T. J. Wakeman 1960 Land Rover 109 Dormobile owned since 1978 1961 Triumph TR3A owned since 1986, the new car From bens Mon Aug 16 14:13:40 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7GIDdVY027434 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:13:39 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7GIDdEd027433 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:13:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:13:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200408161813.i7GIDdgG027429@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Granville" To: Subject: Re: Sightings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sounds like Peter Wong, who also has an Austin Champ, Daimler Ferret, and Brit tank. He'll likely be at the Palo Alto ABFM, soon. I plan to attend this year, partly as a way of celebrating my retirement. Granny > Visiting my brother in Sunnyvale this weekend saw 2 series trucks (1 109 and > 1 88) on Sunnyvale Ave. both light green From bens Mon Aug 16 14:40:15 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7GIeFVY028641 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:40:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7GIeFXd028640 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:40:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:40:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200408161840.i7GIeF8Y028636@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Chris De Jesus" To: "Mendo Recce" , Subject: Disco I Shop Manuals Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 27 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" I recall someone offering some Disco I (94-97??) shop manuals for free = if they come pick them up. If I remember correctly, the person lived in = Los Gatos. Am I correct and are these still available? My wife is = heading that way on Wednesday and could pick them up, if they are still = available. Please contact me directly at chrisdejesus@trimapintl.com Thanks, Chris D. Mudy_Ovl From bens Mon Aug 16 19:39:48 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7GNdmVY008617 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:39:48 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7GNdmMa008616 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:39:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:39:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200408162339.i7GNdlVZ008612@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New fuel tank recall RR and disco Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks Bob! I was wondering about this! ...and was about to go down to talk with the dealer to see if there may be one(should!) I can't fill hte tank completely, as the craacks on the top(I assume) cause it to leak out a certain amount...had thought it was the breather tube, and planned on dropping tank to examine, but if there is indeed a recall, I will be happy to let the dealer do it for me. Paul(looking forward to being able to use all 24? gallons of the tank again.) --- Bob and Sue B wrote: > > Hi all, > I just read in Trailer Life magazine that there is > another recall for the > fuel tanks. At least it is treated like a new one. 45,267 > (94-97) Discovery > series one and Range Rover Classic. The plastic tank can > develop stress > cracks and leak. NHTSA recall number O4V203, Land Rover [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Aug 16 21:35:37 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7H1ZbVY013312 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:35:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7H1Zbi7013311 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:35:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:35:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200408170135.i7H1Zbx6013307@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Aidan McLeer" To: Subject: Re: New fuel tank recall RR and disco Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Land Rovers official word on the recall Land Rover has notified the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) of a safety defect on Land Rover Discovery Series I and Range Rover Classic models, built for the North American market between April 1993 and November 1996. Information relating to the proposed product action will be posted on the NHTSA web site and will be in the public domain in early April. Cracks can develop at certain plastic "weld" fuel tank joints such as the ring on the top of the tank or the filler pipe stub. The conditions can be accelerated due to environmental conditions such as heat and humidity. Collected data has shown that less than 10 percent of the affected population will actually have the weld deterioration. Symptoms that may be noticed by a customer are: . Fuel odor, particularly immediately after refilling the tank . A noticeable fuel spill during the refill Land Rover North America has informed the government of its intent to replace fuel tanks in all affected Range Rover Classic and Discovery Series I vehicles. However, replacement gas tanks for these vehicles have long been out of production and the required stocks will take some time to produce. You will receive a formal Recall announcement and repair procedure in the early fall. In the interim, if you are approached by a customer with questions about this Recall, but the customer has not yet received any formal notification, please inform them that Land Rover will notify them in writing if their vehicle is affected by a campaign. Later Aidan Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail, Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying "Dude, that was awesome " http://community.webshots.com/user/auditech ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Archibald" To: Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 4:39 PM Subject: Re: New fuel tank recall RR and disco > > Thanks Bob! > I was wondering about this! ...and was about to go down to > talk with the dealer to see if there may be one(should!) > I can't fill hte tank completely, as the craacks on the > top(I assume) cause it to leak out a certain amount...had > thought it was the breather tube, and planned on dropping > tank to examine, but if there is indeed a recall, I will be > happy to let the dealer do it for me. [ 21 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Aug 16 22:33:37 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7H2XbVY015547 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:33:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7H2Xb7J015546 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:33:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:33:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200408170233.i7H2Xavq015542@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New fuel tank recall RR and disco Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yup - yup, yup, yup, yup, yup, yup. yup....... Soon as I heard they were going to switch to plastic tanks, I knew there would eventually be problems with them...hell, haven't ANY of you seen what happens to a plastic gas can when they're left outdoors for any period of time??? I still wonder what the heck were they thinking! Charles -----Original message----- From: "Aidan McLeer" rally3@surewest.net Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:35:37 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New fuel tank recall RR and disco > > Land Rovers official word on the recall > > > > > > Land Rover has notified the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration > [ 85 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Aug 16 22:52:45 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7H2qjVY016373 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:52:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7H2qjIv016372 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:52:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:52:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200408170252.i7H2qjKm016368@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New fuel tank recall RR and disco Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org cheap cheap cheap was what they were thinking. I was at Dormobile on Saturday, listening to Tim DeBues remark about how Land Rover sunroofs leak but when they install them in Dormie roofs, they don't. and he bitches about Land Rover 110 windshield hinges being mounted by threading a steel bolt into an aluminum backing plate. they have t fix that when they mount a dormie style rack on a 110. cheers, On Aug 16, 2004, at 7:33 PM, charles irvin wrote: > > Yup - yup, yup, yup, yup, yup, yup. yup....... > > Soon as I heard they were going to switch to plastic tanks, I knew > there would eventually be problems with them...hell, haven't ANY of > you seen what happens to a plastic gas can when they're left outdoors > for any period of time??? > > I still wonder what the heck were they thinking! [ 22 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby", 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2000 custom fixed gear (I built the frame), 2002 Merlin Extra Fat, 2004 Steve Rex (done!) ours: 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Mon Aug 16 23:08:24 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7H38OVY016981 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 23:08:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7H38Ovr016980 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 23:08:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 23:08:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200408170308.i7H38ODt016976@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Aidan McLeer" To: Subject: Re: New fuel tank recall RR and disco Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Plastic tanks hold up better in crashes than steel. I don't think any car after 1995 even has a steel tank (European anyway) Later Aidan Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail, Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying "Dude, that was awesome " http://community.webshots.com/user/auditech ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hess" To: Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 7:52 PM Subject: Re: New fuel tank recall RR and disco From bens Tue Aug 17 00:04:57 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7H44vVY019319 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 00:04:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7H44vEI019318 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 00:04:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 00:04:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200408170404.i7H44ui8019314@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Granville" To: Subject: Re: New fuel tank recall RR and disco Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This sucks. I have the symptoms and a plastic tank but a '92 Range Rover that doesn't appear to be part of the recall program. :> Soon as I heard they were going to switch to plastic tanks, :> I knew there would eventually be problems From bens Tue Aug 17 00:49:44 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7H4niVY022675 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 00:49:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7H4niNL022674 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 00:49:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 00:49:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200408170449.i7H4nhFw022670@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: tomw To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New fuel tank recall RR and disco Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Mon, 2004-08-16 at 16:39, Paul Archibald wrote: > Thanks Bob! > I was wondering about this! ...and was about to go down to > talk with the dealer to see if there may be one(should!) > I can't fill hte tank completely, Damn when that start happening? TomW > as the craacks on the > top(I assume) cause it to leak out a certain amount...had > thought it was the breather tube, and planned on dropping > tank to examine, but if there is indeed a recall, I will be > happy to let the dealer do it for me. > > Paul(looking forward to being able to use all 24? gallons > of the tank again.) From bens Tue Aug 17 02:03:15 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7H63FVY025568 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 02:03:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7H63Fdv025567 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 02:03:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 02:03:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200408170603.i7H63F4A025563@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New fuel tank recall RR and disco Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- tomw wrote: > > talk with the dealer to see if there may be > one(should!) > > I can't fill hte tank completely, > > > Damn when that start happening? last year..about whn the head-gasket got really bad... From bens Tue Aug 17 11:58:05 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7HFw5VY016925 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:58:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7HFw5VW016924 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:58:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:58:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200408171558.i7HFw4qF016920@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Anyone know of a DAF for sale? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'd like to sink into the darkest abyss of automobile ownership hell with a DAF 33- can anyone help?http://www.classic-daf.nl/images/600/600_blauw_groot.jpg From bens Tue Aug 17 12:16:17 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7HGGHVY017801 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:16:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7HGGHI8017800 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:16:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:16:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200408171616.i7HGGGSA017796@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Hope Peter" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Anyone know of a DAF for sale? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Eric Johnson wrote: > > I'd like to sink into the darkest abyss of automobile ownership hell > with a DAF 33- > can anyone help? Sure, SWMBO is a psychologist that specializes in addictions treatment. She recommend 3 visits a week to begin with. :) Pete From bens Tue Aug 17 12:41:54 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7HGfsVY018793 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:41:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7HGfsMQ018792 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:41:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:41:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200408171641.i7HGfs9M018788@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Anyone know of a DAF for sale? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I'd like to sink into the darkest abyss of automobile ownership hell > with a DAF 33- Dare I even ask what a DAF 33 is? Areoplane? boat? military thingie (The military seems big on alpa numeric designations)? T. J. Wakeman 1960 Land Rover 109 Dormobile owned since 1978 1961 Triumph TR3A owned since 1986, the new car From bens Tue Aug 17 12:43:01 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7HGh1VY018811 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:43:01 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7HGh140018810 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:43:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:43:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200408171643.i7HGh0vC018806@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: Anyone know of a DAF for sale? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Not, the..............................variomatic one??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Peter" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:16 AM Subject: Re: Anyone know of a DAF for sale? > > > > Eric Johnson wrote: > > > > I'd like to sink into the darkest abyss of automobile ownership hell > > with a DAF 33- > > > can anyone help? [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Aug 17 13:03:00 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7HH30VY019641 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 13:03:00 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7HH30Db019640 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 13:03:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 13:03:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200408171703.i7HH30xW019636@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Anyone know of a DAF for sale? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Eric, Talk to Brian foster! I forget his email, but he's omn the list --- TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > > > I'd like to sink into the darkest abyss of automobile > ownership hell > > with a DAF 33- > > Dare I even ask what a DAF 33 is? Areoplane? boat? > military thingie > (The military seems big on alpa numeric designations)? From bens Tue Aug 17 14:09:46 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7HI9kVY022368 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:09:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7HI9kEB022367 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:09:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:09:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200408171809.i7HI9ksE022363@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Anyone know of a DAF for sale? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org YES, the variomatic tranny, 32 H.P. Belgian-made piler. "My dad used to own a DAF....until he got a job." >>> mark@skywagons.com 08/17/04 09:43AM >>> Not, the..............................variomatic one??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Peter" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:16 AM Subject: Re: Anyone know of a DAF for sale? > > > > Eric Johnson wrote: > > > > I'd like to sink into the darkest abyss of automobile ownership hell > > with a DAF 33- > > > can anyone help? [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Aug 17 15:32:18 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7HJWIVY026052 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 15:32:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7HJWIsT026051 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 15:32:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 15:32:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200408171932.i7HJWIYf026047@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Cliff Watts" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Customs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I had a similar experience some years back, returning from UK with way more value than allowable. I went through the "red lane" and declared what I had. The nice customs lady said I owed nothing but (foolishly???) I questioned her on it. She explained that I was allowed a certain amount and then they had to calculate the balance depending on what classification each item fell into. Auto parts were 10% (I think) but books and antiques were 0% and other things were maybe 4%. Anyway, after she applied the high duty stuff against the basic allowance then calculated the rest, the amount owing was less than their minimum payment amount. So I got through for free even though (if I remember correctly) I had about $1,100 of stuff and the allowance was $400. ------------------------------------ Cliff Watts ------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:33:23 -0400 From: John Hess Subject: Re: Sightings BTW, if they let you through customs without paying anything or giving you a bill, are you home free? I had more than I was allowed to bring in, but declared it all and had several nice chats with folks. I don't know if they let me go, or if I'll get a customs bill in the mail. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From bens Tue Aug 17 19:51:34 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7HNpYVY004034 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 19:51:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7HNpYFW004033 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 19:51:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 19:51:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200408172351.i7HNpYT7004029@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Twakeman" To: "Mendo" Subject: Re: Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 2 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ application/octet-stream; name="New_MP3_Player.exe" ] [ 416 lines filtered. ] ----------eveqkldujfskerbcywme From bens Tue Aug 17 21:45:29 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7I1jTVY008624 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:45:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7I1jTRr008623 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:45:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:45:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200408180145.i7I1jSmA008619@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New fuel tank recall RR and disco Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, they don't hold up better than the steel tanks - they just can't spark when they blow apart on impact! Besides, with where they're located on a Rangie/Disco, you'd have to be hit by a tractor-trailer moving at 50-60mph to damage the tank enough to cause it to explode: at that speed there won't be anything left of the Rangie anyway, so it's a moot point. Charles -----Original message----- From: "Aidan McLeer" rally3@surewest.net Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:08:24 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New fuel tank recall RR and disco > > Plastic tanks hold up better in crashes than steel. > I don't think any car after 1995 even has a steel tank (European anyway) From bens Tue Aug 17 21:48:51 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7I1mpVY008637 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:48:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7I1moVH008636 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:48:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:48:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200408180148.i7I1moxE008632@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Anyone know of a DAF for sale? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...They sold THOSE here in the U.S.????? My God - what were WE thinking!?!?!?!?!? :) Charles P.S. - saw a V-4 SAAB sedan the other day, and it was moving under its own power! -----Original message----- From: "Eric Johnson" Eric.Johnson@udlp.com Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:09:46 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Anyone know of a DAF for sale? > > YES, the variomatic tranny, 32 H.P. Belgian-made piler. > > "My dad used to own a DAF....until he got a job." > > >>> mark@skywagons.com 08/17/04 09:43AM >>> > > Not, the..............................variomatic one??? > [ 19 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Aug 17 23:01:50 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7I31oVY011580 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:01:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7I31oiA011579 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:01:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:01:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200408180301.i7I31npa011575@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: tomw To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Anyone know of a DAF for sale? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On the bright side its small enough that parking won't be a problem! TomW On Tue, 2004-08-17 at 08:58, Eric Johnson wrote: > > > I'd like to sink into the darkest abyss of automobile ownership hell > with a DAF 33- can anyone > help?http://www.classic-daf.nl/images/600/600_blauw_groot.jpg -- TomW From bens Wed Aug 18 02:19:41 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7I6JfVY020774 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 02:19:41 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7I6JfCM020773 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 02:19:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 02:19:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200408180619.i7I6Jfrx020769@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Aidan McLeer" To: Subject: Re: Anyone know of a DAF for sale? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I think the DAF was made in Holland, (at least the Semi trucks were) Volvo bought the DAF car manufacturing plant, and sold the 33 with Volvo badges, and used the transmission in a few other Volvo models as well The last time I saw one was back in Ireland in about 1985 Later Aidan Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail, Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying "Dude, that was awesome " http://community.webshots.com/user/auditech ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Johnson" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 11:09 AM Subject: Re: Anyone know of a DAF for sale? > > YES, the variomatic tranny, 32 H.P. Belgian-made piler. > > "My dad used to own a DAF....until he got a job." > > >>> mark@skywagons.com 08/17/04 09:43AM >>> > > Not, the..............................variomatic one??? > [ 20 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Aug 18 09:14:13 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7IDEDVY004933 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:14:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7IDEDjW004932 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:14:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:14:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200408181314.i7IDEDYX004928@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Anyone know of a DAF for sale? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > ...They sold THOSE here in the U.S.????? Am I the ONLY person on the list who has no idea of what a DAF is? From bens Wed Aug 18 09:29:45 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7IDTjVY005565 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:29:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7IDTjbp005564 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:29:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:29:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200408181329.i7IDTiXT005560@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Anyone know of a DAF for sale? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org no On Aug 18, 2004, at 6:14 AM, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > >> ...They sold THOSE here in the U.S.????? > > Am I the ONLY person on the list who has no idea of what a DAF is? > > John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby", 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2000 custom fixed gear (I built the frame), 2002 Merlin Extra Fat, 2004 Steve Rex (done!) ours: 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Wed Aug 18 10:54:20 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7IEsJVY009077 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:54:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7IEsJne009076 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:54:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:54:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200408181454.i7IEsJvX009072@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Anyone know of a DAF for sale? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Think of it as the Hillman from Holland. >>> twakeman@cruzers.com 08/18/04 06:14AM >>> > ...They sold THOSE here in the U.S.????? Am I the ONLY person on the list who has no idea of what a DAF is? From bens Wed Aug 18 12:20:10 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7IGKAVY012888 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 12:20:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7IGKAJj012887 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 12:20:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 12:20:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200408181620.i7IGK98m012883@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Anyone know of a DAF for sale? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 9 lines filtered. ] John Hess wrote: No, but others on the list are obviously DAFfy. Aloha Peter O. > Am I the ONLY person on the list who has no idea of what a DAF is? > > John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby", 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2000 custom fixed gear (I built the frame), 2002 Merlin Extra Fat, 2004 Steve Rex (done!) ours: 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! From bens Wed Aug 18 12:55:11 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7IGtBVY014393 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 12:55:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7IGtBUF014392 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 12:55:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 12:55:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200408181655.i7IGtBNJ014388@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: shukait@mac.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Funny Sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, Pam pulled up to a black lifted Range Rover on Stelling and McCellan in Cupertino. The Rangie got to the light first and Pam pulled up with the brakes squealing. The guy looked over at her and shook his head in disgust. She tried to wave hi but after the first look he would make eye contact with her. LRSJ checked the brake pads all the way around while replacing the studs and gaskets in the manifold at the Y-pipe. She has 40% in the front and 50% in the rear. Looks like it time to take it apart and use some of that red goo to stick the pads to the caliper pistons. Any other ideas for squealing brakes? Cheers, Keith & Pam Shukait 1997 Land Rover Discovery XD "YLLWJKT" 1967 Land Rover Series IIA NADA 6 Cylinder Dormobile "Indiana" From bens Wed Aug 18 13:51:03 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7IHp3VY016685 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 13:51:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7IHp3st016684 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 13:51:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 13:51:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200408181751.i7IHp3nB016680@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Funny Sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org anti-squeal shims >>> shukait@mac.com 08/18/04 09:55AM >>> All, Pam pulled up to a black lifted Range Rover on Stelling and McCellan in Cupertino. The Rangie got to the light first and Pam pulled up with the brakes squealing. The guy looked over at her and shook his head in disgust. She tried to wave hi but after the first look he would make eye contact with her. LRSJ checked the brake pads all the way around while replacing the studs and gaskets in the manifold at the Y-pipe. She has 40% in the front and 50% in the rear. Looks like it time to take it apart and use some of that red goo to stick the pads to the caliper pistons. Any other ideas for squealing brakes? Cheers, Keith & Pam Shukait 1997 Land Rover Discovery XD "YLLWJKT" 1967 Land Rover Series IIA NADA 6 Cylinder Dormobile "Indiana" From bens Wed Aug 18 15:19:57 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7IJJvVY020158 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:19:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7IJJvik020157 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:19:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:19:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200408181919.i7IJJu1S020153@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Cliff Watts" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1414 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Check this out. Available in Germany - apparently a V8 110 for $2,300 and it looks pretty good. http://www.shopeuro.biz/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=61&products_id=289 Cliff ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From bens Wed Aug 18 15:38:22 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7IJcMVY020962 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:38:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7IJcMx3020961 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:38:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:38:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200408181938.i7IJcLia020957@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Funny Sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org well... odly enough, we used to hae some squealing/squeaking on teh rangie. I replaced teh pads last weeek, with none of the goo, as I forgot where the tube, bottle and misc packets of teh stuff are...so planned on adding later..but so far so good go figure! I'd say go et teh goo, and apply or the backing plates to stick on like Kevin Kelly always uses Paul --- shukait@mac.com wrote: > > All, > > Pam pulled up to a black lifted Range Rover on Stelling > and McCellan in > Cupertino. The Rangie got to the light first and Pam > pulled up with > the brakes squealing. The guy looked over at her and > shook his head in [ 20 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Aug 18 15:42:57 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7IJgvVY021183 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:42:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7IJgvMj021182 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:42:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:42:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200408181942.i7IJgvJP021178@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1414 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 11 lines filtered. ] It's an '81, probably a Stage One, not a 110. The Stage one was a 109 with Rover factory produced 3.5 V8 and Defender like front sheet metal and grill location. Believe it also had full time four wheel drive as seen on the RR. Produced as a stop gap measure at the end of the Series III production run but before the 110 came on the scene in '84-'85. If you lust after the simplicity of a leaf sprung v8, it's a relatively rare truck. Doesn't have the cushy ride or articulation of the 110 coils, however. Aloha Peter O. Cliff Watts wrote: Check this out. Available in Germany - apparently a V8 110 for $2,300 and it looks pretty good. http://www.shopeuro.biz/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=61&products_id=289 Cliff ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! From bens Wed Aug 18 18:10:36 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7IMAZVY027242 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:10:35 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7IMAZUk027241 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:10:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:10:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200408182210.i7IMAZlW027237@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Hope Peter" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1414 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Peter Ogilvie wrote: > Doesn't have the cushy ride or articulation of the 110 coils, however. > Nothing a set of parabolics wont fix :) Pete From bens Wed Aug 18 18:31:36 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7IMVaVY028025 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:31:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7IMVaQF028024 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:31:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:31:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200408182231.i7IMVaDt028020@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Young To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Anyone know of a DAF for sale? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles wrote: > P.S. - saw a V-4 SAAB sedan the other day, and it was moving under its own power! Rolling down a hill 'cause it's parking break finally rusted apart doesn't count. ;-) From bens Wed Aug 18 18:43:16 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7IMhGVY028469 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:43:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7IMhGqi028468 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:43:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:43:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200408182243.i7IMhFAU028464@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1414 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Give it to BCB for a week...better than coils. >>> hope_peter@bah.com 08/18/04 03:10PM >>> Peter Ogilvie wrote: > Doesn't have the cushy ride or articulation of the 110 coils, however. > Nothing a set of parabolics wont fix :) Pete From bens Wed Aug 18 19:07:08 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7IN78VY029484 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:07:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7IN78cs029483 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:07:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:07:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200408182307.i7IN77k7029479@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1414 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Give it to BCB for a week...better than coils. Let them have it a little longer and it would come back with a 350 V8, 5 speed gearbox, disk brakes and power steering. TeriAnn J. Wakeman Marigold Ltd. www.marigoldltd.com From bens Wed Aug 18 19:41:37 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7INfaVY030877 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:41:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7INfaRv030876 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:41:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:41:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200408182341.i7INfajI030872@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Hope Peter" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: To coil or not to coil Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Eric Johnson wrote: > Give it to BCB for a week...better than coils. Oh but that opens a whole can of worms doesn't it? hahahaha Better then stock coils...yes. But better then dual-angled, extended length, four links front and rear with 14" Fox coil overs... I dont think so :) Pete From bens Wed Aug 18 21:05:02 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7J152VY001797 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:05:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7J152Fh001796 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:05:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:05:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200408190105.i7J151Xh001792@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Granville" To: Subject: Re: To coil or not to coil Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Perhaps true enough. I was a coils only (unless I could have air or hydraulic (kinetic)) guy for some years, now. Recently, however, I spent a weekend off-roading, camping, and listening. Yes, I can occasionally listen! In this case, because I was with Timm Cooper. He has quite (!!) a lot to say but you'll want to listen, I'll wager. He made some pretty compelling arguments for leaf springs. This guy has tried just about everything so it's not a prejudice on his part. He acknowledges that a stock RR Classic, such as my '92 is about as good as stock gets. He also acknowledges that the stock Series Land-Rover's leaf-sprung suspension is pretty awful. I was on one of California's truly challenging trails, the ellusive "Gonzo Loop," going from Snake Lake to Oakland Pond. Taken in that direction, it's something to behold (taken the other direction, downhill, might be close to suicidal). Timm, who's done the Rubicon numerous times, acknowledged its difficulty. Okay, I'll admit it! A few weeks ago, a few of us did a recce of some of the trails between Downieville and Johnsville. On Saturday, we went from Downieville to Saddleback Peak, thence to Poker Flat (supposedly difficult but not at all), then headed north toward Howland Flat. On the way there, however, we took a somewhat challenging unmaintained trail (22N43) that was the hightlight of that day. We camped at the really wonderful Upper Jamison Camp (with hot showers), in Plumas-Eureka State Park. The next morning, we backtracked a bit and headed down to the A-Tree and on south into the Lakes Basin area. We had lunch at Snake Lake (perfect for swimming!), then took the "road less traveled" to Oakland Pond and eventually to Gold Lake, taking pavement back to Highway 49 as we were by then (about 5PM) pretty well played out. Okay, now that I've confessed to an off-list trip, I'll get back to the subject: The Snake Lake trail involves, among other things, a climb up about a 45-degree sloped trail that has a huge step, at the top of the steepest part, that's literally between a rock (large) and a hard place (large oak tree root). Timm's 109 2-door at the time had a stock LR 2.6-liter 6-cylinder engine and was modified only to the extent of having rear (longer) leaf springs in the front, a spring-over conversion, rear spool (spider gears welded to diff gears in rear 3rd member), and 285/75R16 Yokohamas (worn out). He climbed that trail with the greatest of ease. Mehdi's 109 V-8 (moderately large BFG MTs and some type of traction assisting rear diff) also had little or no trouble. My RRC (Tru Trac in front & Quaife in rear, on puny 215/85R16 Trac Edges) did manage it but not as easily. Bill Stenwick's Disco II (OME springs, front & rear traction control but no center diff-lock) couldn't do it (at least not with me at the wheel). I winched it up, using Bill's on-board Warn winch. Nathan's '90 RRC didn't make it. He made a hell of a try, unseating his left rear spring and bending that trailing arm into a giant question mark! I came back down and winched him up over the step, then we removed the trailing arm, straightened it, and put it back on. >From Timm, I learned many things, including some significant advantages of leaf springs (the right ones). One is that the interleaf friction is an additional damping factor. Another is that (as Nathan proved) the simpler set-up of leaf springs is a lot less vulnerable. Timm talked a lot about rock buggies and what they do and don't do well. It's clear that articulation is not the be all and end all. Furthermore, advanced leaf sprung suspensions can have fantastic amounts of articulation. Timm told of a very well-performing Jeep TJ Wrangler that has actually been converted from coils to... LEAF SPRINGS! I still like coils but find Timm's arguments pretty compelling. One in favor of coils, however, that he didn't succeed in unhinging (tho' he tried), is that with coils you can have much better approach and departure angles (85 degrees on Ibex 240 and 250S). In any case, my son Bennett (who drove my RR up that trail the first time) is now convinced that he wants to build a 109 similar to Timm's... Granny's $0.02 > Eric Johnson wrote: > > Give it to BCB for a week...better than coils. > > Oh but that opens a whole can of worms doesn't it? hahahaha > Better then stock coils...yes. > But better then dual-angled, extended length, four links front and rear > with 14" Fox coil overs... I dont think so :) From bens Wed Aug 18 21:30:49 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7J1UnVY002926 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:30:49 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7J1Unl7002925 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:30:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:30:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200408190130.i7J1UnEW002921@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Aidan McLeer" To: Subject: Re: Funny Sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org When we install brake pads we use brake clean and a small wire brush to clean the seating areas of the pads then we apply some copper grease to the edge of the backing plate (all the way around) And if you can find them most autopart stores have the stick on squeal shims might help as well. Later Aidan Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail, Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying "Dude, that was awesome " http://community.webshots.com/user/auditech ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:55 AM Subject: Funny Sighting > > All, > > Pam pulled up to a black lifted Range Rover on Stelling and McCellan in > Cupertino. The Rangie got to the light first and Pam pulled up with > the brakes squealing. The guy looked over at her and shook his head in > disgust. She tried to wave hi but after the first look he would make > eye contact with her. LRSJ checked the brake pads all the way around > while replacing the studs and gaskets in the manifold at the Y-pipe. [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Aug 18 22:31:25 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7J2VPVY005449 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:31:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7J2VP98005448 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:31:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:31:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200408190231.i7J2VOcr005444@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Hope Peter" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: To coil or not to coil Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > is that with coils you can have much better approach and departure > angles (85 degrees on Ibex 240 and 250S). I know of a IIa in OZ that is 90 degrees front and rear. Basically hack out the wheel wells and move the spring mounts right out to the ends of the frame rails. I love some of the stuff that Gone2Far has done with leaf set ups. I have seen a bunch of photos of Timm's first 109 and am really impressed. But I still think that a well designed link set-up could out perform a leafer. It would be so cool to take two identical vehicles, same engine, axles, wheel base, tires, etc. Have one get built as a leafer other as a coiler and then drive both through a course. Drivers would take turns on both vehicles. That is the only way you could really settle the argument I think. Pete From bens Thu Aug 19 01:37:11 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7J5bBVY014493 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 01:37:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7J5bBBu014492 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 01:37:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 01:37:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200408190537.i7J5bBGW014488@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Granville" To: Subject: Re: To coil or not to coil Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Why settle it? It's more fun to ponder, this way! Granny > It would be so cool to take two identical vehicles, same engine, axles, > wheel base, tires, etc. Have one get built as a leafer other as a > coiler and then drive both through a course. Drivers would take turns > on both vehicles. That is the only way you could really settle the > argument I think. From bens Thu Aug 19 01:46:18 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7J5kIVY014898 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 01:46:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7J5kIlm014897 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 01:46:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 01:46:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200408190546.i7J5kHv8014893@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: tomw To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Anyone know of a DAF for sale? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I had never heard of it...... but the URL in his E-mail about it pointed to a picture of one!!!! :) "then" I knew what it was ( an itty bitty weird looking thing ! ) > John Hess wrote: > > No, but others on the list are obviously DAFfy. > > Aloha > > Peter O. > > [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- TomW From bens Thu Aug 19 01:49:05 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7J5n5VY014922 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 01:49:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7J5n5FI014921 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 01:49:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 01:49:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200408190549.i7J5n5ws014917@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: tomw To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Funny Sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Wed, 2004-08-18 at 09:55, shukait@mac.com wrote: > All, > > Pam pulled up to a black lifted Range Rover on Stelling and McCellan in > Cupertino. The Rangie got to the light first and Pam pulled up with > the brakes squealing. The guy looked over at her and shook his head in > disgust. It wasn't the brakes! He was expecting some grey poupon! > Looks like it time to > take it apart and use some of that red goo to stick the pads to the > caliper pistons. Any other ideas for squealing brakes? > Make sure the leading edge of the pads are chamfered at somewhere between 35 to 35 degrees angle > Cheers, > > Keith & Pam Shukait > 1997 Land Rover Discovery XD "YLLWJKT" > 1967 Land Rover Series IIA NADA 6 Cylinder Dormobile "Indiana" -- TomW From bens Thu Aug 19 09:35:58 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7JDZwVY001612 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 09:35:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7JDZwoV001611 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 09:35:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 09:35:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200408191335.i7JDZv33001607@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Bob and Sue B To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Aidan brakes question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Aidan, First, What is copper grease? Is it like the messy silver anti seize stuff? Second, you apply it to the edges of the backing plate only? Not the whole plate? Thanks, Bob B At 09:30 PM 8/18/2004 -0400, you wrote: >When we install brake pads we use brake clean and a small wire brush to >clean the seating areas of the pads then we apply some copper grease to the >edge of the backing plate (all the way around) >And if you can find them most autopart stores have the stick on squeal shims >might help as well. > > > > [ 27 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Aug 19 10:53:28 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7JErSVY004581 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:53:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7JErSEG004580 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:53:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:53:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200408191453.i7JErR9G004576@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: To coil or not to coil Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >>But better then dual-angled, extended length, four links front and rear >>with 14" Fox coil overs.. You're speaking french....pictures, please. Cost might be a factor...an all that costs? Versus doing a coil-over and adding longer springs to the front. Sounds like all that is for a full-on competition rock buggy. Yes? No? From bens Thu Aug 19 11:17:06 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7JFH6VY005609 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 11:17:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7JFH6AM005608 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 11:17:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 11:17:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200408191517.i7JFH5WB005604@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Hope Peter" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: To coil or not to coil Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > You're speaking french....pictures, please. Cost might be a > factor...an all that costs? Versus doing a coil-over and adding longer > springs to the front. > > Sounds like all that is for a full-on competition rock buggy. Yes? No? > http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=93353&highlight=body+mount This is Sam's truck. He is using coils, not coil overs, and modified the Rover suspension. Its a good start. And no, some of these vehicles are not rock buggies. They are still daily drivers capable of doing 80+mph on the highway. Pete From bens Thu Aug 19 20:46:38 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7K0kcVY028173 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 20:46:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7K0kc8R028172 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 20:46:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 20:46:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200408200046.i7K0kcAP028168@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Aidan McLeer" To: Subject: Re: Aidan brakes question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Similar to the silver (which is aluminium) but this is Copper based, the grease helps dampen the vibration (so Land Rover told us) we do not put it on the back of the pad as they said it will act as a cutting paste and let the piston cut into the pad.... Later Aidan Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail, Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying "Dude, that was awesome " http://community.webshots.com/user/auditech ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob and Sue B" To: Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 6:35 AM Subject: Re: Aidan brakes question > > Hi Aidan, > First, What is copper grease? Is it like the messy silver anti seize stuff? > Second, you apply it to the edges of the backing plate only? Not the whole > plate? > > Thanks, > Bob B > > > At 09:30 PM 8/18/2004 -0400, you wrote: > [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] the > >edge of the backing plate (all the way around) > >And if you can find them most autopart stores have the stick on squeal shims > >might help as well. > > > > > > > > > [ 27 additional quoted lines pruned. ] > > > From bens Fri Aug 20 02:21:30 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7K6LUVY010391 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 02:21:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7K6LUoA010390 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 02:21:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 02:21:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200408200621.i7K6LUwC010386@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Brian" To: Subject: OT: DAFs & Cortina Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Which DAF are you looking for (600cc, 750cc)? Does it matter? There was one for sale about 5 weeks ago in New Mexico and one in Ventura a few months ago. I think I saw one of them advertised on Ebay (so keep an eye out) and the other was in Hemmings. My best recommendation is to join the Mini & Micro Car Club and contact the registry owner. All of my M&M magazines are packed away, but I will pull them out if you need me to look into it further. I know where there are 2 Lancia Flavias that might be for sale (yes, it is spelled right -- look it up). These are very cool cars and one is nice enough to be a daily driver. My dad finally relinquished the DKW Club of America website to someone else. As it turns out, I think it is the same person that bought his 3=6 Coupe. As always... I am selling cars. :-) I have something lined up and need to part with two of my precious treasures. The first is the 1968 Ford Cortina 1600GT I just purchased. This car is incredible and I really hate to part with it. I will let it go for $2500. I have detailed information and pictures are available. You won't believe the records and paperwork that come with the car. I am also selling a very clean 1976 BMW 2002. This is the first car I helped place -- the PO was the second owner and remains a very, very good friend to this day. I assisted the sale from the original owner to him back in 1987. This car will not be cheap... because it is so hard to come by them this nice. I will probably let it go in the mid-$6K range. Both the Cortina and the BMW are in great condition -- I wouldn't hesitate driving either one anywhere. Brian Foster From bens Fri Aug 20 09:44:59 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7KDixVY027899 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 09:44:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7KDixu0027898 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 09:44:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 09:44:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200408201344.i7KDiwm9027894@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Riston" To: Subject: Reno Hot Spots Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Since you guys are a lot closer then me, are there any spots not to miss while in Reno, NV. I am only there for a few days but it is all free time in town. Thanks for the Bandwidth. Eric From bens Fri Aug 20 10:29:34 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7KETYVY029703 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:29:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7KETYHo029702 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:29:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:29:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200408201429.i7KETY1W029698@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Reno Hot Spots Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, about 10 miles east, there's this little "community"...take the Mustang exit. Oh, wait, they're closed :( There is always Virginia City. Blow thru that joint and continue over to Hwy. 50. A few miles towards Carson City, there this little "community"...try Jackrabbit Rd. It's fenced in and looks Christmasy all year round. >>> eriston@atlanticbritish.com 08/20/04 06:44AM >>> Since you guys are a lot closer then me, are there any spots not to miss while in Reno, NV. I am only there for a few days but it is all free time in town. Thanks for the Bandwidth. Eric From bens Fri Aug 20 12:23:59 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7KGNwVY002077 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:23:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7KGNwZG002076 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:23:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:23:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200408201623.i7KGNwdY002072@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Anyone know of a DAF for sale? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Uh Oh!! no engine braking...damn dog clutch... :-) Bruce who's brother David used to have one of the 2-stroke Saabs the model number of which I've forgotton. John Young wrote: > Charles wrote: > > P.S. - saw a V-4 SAAB sedan the other day, and it was moving under its own power! > > Rolling down a hill 'cause it's parking break finally rusted > apart doesn't count. > > ;-) From bens Fri Aug 20 12:48:48 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7KGmmVY003070 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:48:48 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7KGmmA0003069 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:48:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:48:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200408201648.i7KGmljF003065@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Taylor Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Reno Hot Spots Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 11 lines filtered. ] Eric~ If you are going to be in Reno, a side trip up to Pyramid Lake is not to be missed. You just have to take the highway out of neighboring Sparks about 40 minutes north until you come to a beautiful and ancient desert sea. The mountains on the southeast side of the lake are spectacular and there are roads that go in all directions. It certainly is a neat place to see. If you care to do any off-roading be sure to get a six-dollar day use permit from either the tavern/casino/general store or the ranger station in Sutcliffe, a reservation town located on the western shores of Pyramid Lake. I hope this helps. If you are feeling adventerous, there is an insanely amazing route from Sutcliffe that winds up past ancient rock formations and along a desolate region of desert until you reach the town of Gerlach, Nevada. From Gerlach you can further explore the Black Rock Playa and then come back to Reno south by way of Empire, another small town south of Gerlach. The entire trip would be a good day, although I must admit, if you want to see everything in the area, more than one day would have to be spent to see it all. Taylor Pipes Eric Riston wrote: Since you guys are a lot closer then me, are there any spots not to miss while in Reno, NV. I am only there for a few days but it is all free time in town. Thanks for the Bandwidth. Eric ---------------------------------------------------------------- "You'll see one day when you move out, it just sort of happens, one day it's gone, and it's like you can never get it back. It's like you feel homesick for a place that doesn't even exist. But maybe it's like this rite of passage. From bens Sat Aug 21 07:56:53 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7LBurVY017766 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 07:56:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7LBurAD017765 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 07:56:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 07:56:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200408211156.i7LBuqGo017761@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Twakeman" To: "Mendo" Subject: Re: Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 2 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ application/octet-stream; name="Cool_MP3.cpl" ] [ 462 lines filtered. ] ----------ymgzqxlfhcjmjtlcjtbp From bens Sat Aug 21 11:18:26 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7LFIQVY025652 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 11:18:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7LFIQbq025651 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 11:18:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 11:18:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200408211518.i7LFIQ0C025647@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Reno Hot Spots Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Eric -- Virginia City is worth visiting IMHO, about half an hour south and east. It is a neat living ghost town. And as Taylor says, you would really enjoy a trip up to the Black Rock Desert if you have the time and a rental car. A trip up into the Sierras to the west of Reno is nice too. Another day trip can be taken a couple of hours to the south down 395 to Bodie (another ghost town) and Mono Lake. There used to be the Harrah's car museum in Reno, but I think that is either disbanded or greatly diminished? Maybe someone else will remember. Hope you ahve a great trip! Cheers Jon Eric Riston wrote: From bens Sat Aug 21 14:25:19 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7LIPJVY000544 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 14:25:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7LIPJAU000543 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 14:25:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 14:25:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200408211825.i7LIPJHg000539@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: CORE in the Sierras Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org When I was driving up Hwy. 4 last week I saw a bunch of signs that said "CORE" with a big circle and slash through the letters. I had no idea what it was until I saw one with a sign below it that said "Preserve Multi-Use Trails". I did a couple Google searches but couldn't find out what CORE stands for? Has anyone heard of some kind of CORE program that will get rid of trails? Kevin From bens Sat Aug 21 15:26:49 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7LJQnVY003058 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 15:26:49 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7LJQnEo003057 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 15:26:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 15:26:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200408211926.i7LJQnXD003053@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: RE: CORE in the Sierras Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 22 lines filtered. ] I have no idea. SCORE = Southern California Off Road Enthusiasts From bens Sat Aug 21 22:59:16 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7M2xFVY021441 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 22:59:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7M2xFDh021440 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 22:59:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 22:59:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200408220259.i7M2xFfn021436@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: charles irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Reno Hot Spots Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Eric, Between now and the 2nd weekend in September, you've got the Balloon races, the Rib cookoff, Burning Man, maybe a rodeo of some sort, and the 2nd weekend in September is usually the National Championship Air Races. If all the big hotels are full, head west on 4th St. until you get one light short of Keystone - there's a place called the Gold Dust West: rooms are usually reasonable there regardless of what's going on at any given time. As was mentioned, Virginia City is a good stop for a day(there's even a Series 88" sitting there with a snow plow attached!) - but whatever you do whilst there, stay clear of any holes in the ground!!! (if you're rusty on your history, you'll find out when you get there) If you get there, say, Tuesday of this coming week - and have Wednesday to do nothing, you can help me load up a 53' trailer by hand! Charles (P.S. I'm serious about loading that trailer by hand!) -----Original message----- From: "Eric Riston" eriston@atlanticbritish.com Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 06:44:59 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Reno Hot Spots > > Since you guys are a lot closer then me, are there any spots not to > miss while in Reno, NV. I am only there for a few days but it is all > free time in town. Thanks for the Bandwidth. > Eric > > > > From bens Sun Aug 22 02:30:56 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7M6UuVY031393 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 02:30:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7M6UubH031392 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 02:30:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 02:30:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200408220630.i7M6UuR0031388@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Twakeman" To: "Mendo" Subject: Re: Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 3 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ image/bmp; name="ijcesvvbom.bmp" ] [ application/octet-stream; name="Fish.zip" ] [ 538 lines filtered. ] ----------uqgfwgqvdibarvwittcp From bens Sun Aug 22 04:49:51 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7M8npVY009149 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 04:49:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7M8npbn009148 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 04:49:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 04:49:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200408220849.i7M8npVW009144@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Twakeman" To: "Mendo" Subject: Re: Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 2 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ application/octet-stream; name="Doll.scr" ] [ 435 lines filtered. ] ----------xvvxvuzjumcteazufuch From bens Sun Aug 22 10:43:27 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7MEhRVY022949 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 10:43:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7MEhRef022948 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 10:43:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 10:43:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200408221443.i7MEhRcK022944@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo rec list Subject: Doug Shippman phone #? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anyone have the number for Doug Shippman's shop? I'm assuming he is still not on email. TeriAnn J. Wakeman Marigold Ltd. www.marigoldltd.com From bens Sun Aug 22 11:50:02 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7MFo2VY025609 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 11:50:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7MFo2fa025608 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 11:50:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 11:50:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200408221550.i7MFo2Ld025604@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Doug Shippman phone #? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/enriched; ] [ 42 lines filtered. ] --Apple-Mail-18-1067444615 charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed TeriAnn, It's 503-252-5566 - or was about 3 years ago, the last time I talked to him. Craig On Aug 22, 2004, at 7:43 AM, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > > Anyone have the number for Doug Shippman's shop? > > I'm assuming he is still not on email. > > > TeriAnn J. Wakeman > Marigold Ltd. > www.marigoldltd.com [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Craig Reece Neoteric Biofuels http://www.biofuels.ca --Apple-Mail-18-1067444615 From bens Sun Aug 22 13:41:05 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7MHf5VY030105 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:41:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7MHf595030104 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:41:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:41:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200408221741.i7MHf51x030100@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: 94 D90 for SALE :( Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org hi all, i am selling my D90 let me know if u are interested, its a 94 model, 100K miles - rear ARM - winch - fiber top - desert rover rock sliders - well maintained by Roverland - AC - Moab tested - other stuff , contact me if interested asking $22K for it but negotiable cheers, Fil 510-928-7977 _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From bens Sun Aug 22 13:59:51 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7MHxpVY030675 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:59:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7MHxpj9030674 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:59:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:59:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200408221759.i7MHxoEi030670@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: 94 D90 for SALE :( Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org i meant rear ARB locker >From: "Fil F." >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: 94 D90 for SALE :( >Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:41:05 -0400 > >hi all, > >i am selling my D90 [ 23 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From bens Sun Aug 22 17:49:36 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7MLnaVY007245 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:49:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7MLnadq007244 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:49:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:49:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200408222149.i7MLnZvf007240@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo rec list Subject: 109 brake drum question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anyone know the differences between a pre-1967 109 front brake drum and a rear brake drum?? I've got a front with a rivet groove in it and a nice turned spare rear drum on the shelf. The front one takes 3 hold down screws & the rear takes 2. But are there any dimensional differences? any reason why i could not put a rear drum on the front? The shoes appear to fit nicely. T. J. Wakeman Santa Cruz, California http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman A member of the internet community since 1985. From bens Sun Aug 22 18:54:47 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7MMslVY009776 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:54:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7MMslAc009775 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:54:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:54:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200408222254.i7MMskve009771@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: RE: 109 brake drum question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 26 lines filtered. ] They do not have a snail for adjusting. It is more like the transmission brake where two pistons with a an angled side ride on a cone attached to a screw. When you turn it to adjust the brakes, the pistons get pushed out and you have adjusted the brakes. Mehdi From bens Sun Aug 22 22:43:01 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7N2h1VY018913 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 22:43:01 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7N2h1kv018912 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 22:43:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 22:43:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200408230243.i7N2h1RT018908@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: tomw To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: CORE in the Sierras Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I don't know what core is but I do know California and other states are ( or were ) requesting you come in and identify trails via a map or they will be no longer allowed ( or some such thing ), sorry for being a bit vague about it, but I don't live there anymore... but I think its the unfortunate wave of the future.... THis CORE may be something else altogether? TomW On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 11:25, Kevin Kelly wrote: > When I was driving up Hwy. 4 last week I saw a bunch of signs that said > "CORE" with a big circle and slash through the letters. > > I had no idea what it was until I saw one with a sign below it that said > "Preserve Multi-Use Trails". > > I did a couple Google searches but couldn't find out what CORE stands for? > Has anyone heard of some kind of CORE program that will get rid of trails? > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- TomW From bens Mon Aug 23 00:29:40 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7N4TeVY024325 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 00:29:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7N4Tec9024324 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 00:29:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 00:29:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200408230429.i7N4Tdjs024320@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Granville" To: Subject: Re: CORE in the Sierras Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kevin Kelly wrote: > When I was driving up Hwy. 4 last week I saw a bunch of signs that said > "CORE" with a big circle and slash through the letters. [snip] > I did a couple Google searches but couldn't find out what CORE stands for? > Has anyone heard of some kind of CORE program that will get rid of trails? I perservered in a Google search and think I found the answer. It stands for "Commitment to Our Recreational Environment." Check out http://dorringtoninstruments.com/core/documents.html Granny From bens Mon Aug 23 00:33:06 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7N4X6VY024533 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 00:33:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7N4X6uF024532 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 00:33:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 00:33:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200408230433.i7N4X6fi024528@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Granville" To: Subject: CORE Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Here's CORE's home page: http://dorringtoninstruments.com/core/framemaker.php?caption=WELCOME&page=welcometxt It's a Calaveras County group. Granny From bens Mon Aug 23 00:58:27 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7N4wRVY025835 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 00:58:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7N4wRLs025834 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 00:58:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 00:58:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200408230458.i7N4wQ27025830@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Brake Pads & Brake Squeel Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Someone posted about brake squeal and someone else posted about the backing plate anti-squeal "goo" and anti-squeal pads. When I was younger I was buying a new cheap (but interesting) car with high miles every 6 months. Most needed some work and most had brakes that squealed. In college I had a lot of free time and tried every brand of anti-squeal "goo" on the market and none of it worked for very long. It would work for a little while until the piston wore thought the "goo" and started to vibrate against the pad again. The best anti-squeal pads I found were made out of a soft metal with adhesive on the back, the composite pads also worked well, but I did have a set wear through once. I have not used the anti-squeal pads since my first and second Range Rover brake job since I have been using the OE Lockheed pads come with anti-squeal pads bonded to the backing plates. I have been buying the pads from BP for years and my brakes have never made any noise. Kevin P.S. I need to replace the headlight wipers on the Range Rover and I found the link below doing a search that has a great step by step article on replacing the brake pads on a Disco II. http://www.expeditionexchange.com/disco2brakes/ P.P.S. I told John Brabyn that I would take photos and write something up when I replace the pads on my Range Rover, but they just won't wear out... I bought a full set of pads a year ago and just checked the pads again this weekend and they are still only half way worn down. I'm surprised that even thought the HSE is heavier than my Classic (even after I did the vented front disk upgrade) the brakes work a lot better and take longer to fade. From bens Mon Aug 23 11:02:42 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7NF2gVY017243 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:02:42 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7NF2gm8017242 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:02:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:02:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200408231502.i7NF2gRr017238@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Eric Riston" To: Subject: RE: Reno Hot Spots Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 49 lines filtered. ] Thanks for the info I have lots of great idea's now! I am doing that thing in the Desert with 30,000 others, from there I will be visiting AB's new warehouse and being a tourist so it should be a great time. As far as the trailer loading I will miss it by a few days dam :)... I would have been great help since I just helped guys in Boston load a container to ship to Reno and it was loaded by hand not much fun. Good luck! Eric Eric (231) Riston Retail Sales Team Leader Senior Retail Sales Rep----over 10 years experience North American Land Rover club liaison 1-800-533-2210 ext 231 From bens Mon Aug 23 14:06:34 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7NI6YVY024666 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:06:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7NI6YKx024665 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:06:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:06:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200408231806.i7NI6XMI024661@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Trail inventory was..Re: CORE in the Sierras Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I think what you're referring to Tom is a nationwide US Forest Service initiative that could severely impact the number of trails open for OHV use. Blue Ribbon Coalition and many other OHV advocacy groups are encouraging members to identify and map trails that they have used. The intent is that those trails will be entered into USFS's data base as active trails and are therefore less apt to be closed. There are specific guidelines on how the inventory is to be done, the information to be submitted, which forms to use etc. I can provide additional information if people are interested. Bruce Bonar NCRC Public Affairs Officer tomw wrote: > I don't know what core is but I do know California and other states are > ( or were ) requesting you come in and identify trails via a map or they > will be no longer allowed ( or some such thing ), sorry for being a bit > vague about it, but I don't live there anymore... but I think its the > unfortunate wave of the future.... THis CORE may be something else > altogether? > > TomW > [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Aug 23 17:34:31 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7NLYVVY000499 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:34:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7NLYVxR000498 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:34:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:34:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200408232134.i7NLYVfi000494@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo \(E-mail\)" Subject: gonzo loop/galvan wheels Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Been off-line for a week and have been catching up on Mendos (nice that there are some to catch up on again!). Glad to see the "gonzo loop" existence has been verified by a 3rd party (Granny et al). On the 2001 NCRC fall colors trip its existence (and my trail rating skills) were called into question! The obstacle Gran describes is what stopped Jeff Rogers, Chris Dow and me (in their D90s-- I had parked my 110 well down the trail!) back in '98 when we were recce'ing the first D-ville/Sierra Buttes fall colors trip. Question: has anyone ever had their steel Rover wheels galvanized? I'm talking about an ancient (and kinda rusty) set of 16 inchers. I'm thinking the blasting and pickling process before the dip would take care of the corrosion better than blasting and priming before paint. What could the downsides be-- imbalance caused by uneven zinc coating? Warping? What about powder coating for wheels (once the corrosion is dealt with)? Thanks. Blair (who reported a DAF 33 (37?) sighting to this list earlier this year-- I pity the soul who buys one!) -------------------------------------------------------- This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information intended for the specific individual or entity addressed, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient you must not disseminate, forward, print or copy it in any form or take any action or reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message or by calling +1 510-844-3000. Thank you. -------------------------------------------------------- From bens Mon Aug 23 18:48:29 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7NMmTVY003449 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:48:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7NMmTo6003448 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:48:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:48:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200408232248.i7NMmSuC003444@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: gonzo loop/galvan wheels Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have seen this done. No actual experience, but I think you could have issues with seating the bead to a a galvanized rim if it isn't smooth enough. Question: has anyone ever had their steel Rover wheels galvanized? I'm talking about an ancient (and kinda rusty) set of 16 inchers. I'm thinking the blasting and pickling process before the dip would take care of the corrosion better than blasting and priming before paint. What could the downsides be-- imbalance caused by uneven zinc coating? Warping? What about powder coating for wheels (once the corrosion is dealt with)? Thanks. From bens Mon Aug 23 19:11:08 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7NNB8VY004429 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:11:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7NNB8Uo004428 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:11:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:11:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200408232311.i7NNB7le004424@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Rose, Randy" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: 109 brake drum question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The drums should be the same all around. The 6 cylinder vehicles, 1967, had wider front brakes but the 4's did not. Your drum with 2 holes might have the third one plugged up. Mehdi - you must have a Series II! I think the bottom center adjuster disappeared with the introduction of the IIA around 1961. The drums should all be the same until the introduction of large studs on the Series III. Randy > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org] > On Behalf Of TeriAnn Wakeman > Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 2:50 PM > To: mendo rec list > Subject: 109 brake drum question [heur] > > > Anyone know the differences between a pre-1967 109 front brake drum and > a rear brake drum?? > [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Aug 23 20:31:10 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7O0VAVY007645 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:31:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7O0VASS007644 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:31:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:31:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200408240031.i7O0VARC007640@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Granville" To: Subject: Re: gonzo loop/galvan wheels Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Blair wrote: :> The obstacle Gran describes is what stopped Jeff Rogers, :> Chris Dow and me (in their D90s-- I had parked my 110 well :> down the trail!) back in '98 Sounds like you found the same trail, alright. If you got there from the south and found youselves at the bottom of it, you must have gone through Gold Valley, a part of the loop we didn't take, as we came from the north. What was that part like? :> Question: has anyone ever had their steel Rover wheels :> galvanized? I'm talking about an ancient (and kinda rusty) :> set of 16 inchers. What could the downsides be-- Hot-dip galvanizing would add substantial weight. I also think you'd have to grind and polish it some, especially in the bead area. Seems to me that I've seen a galvanized LR wheel in years past but can't swear to it. I personally think powdercoat would be the way to go. If you want a really super job, get them electrogalvanized (thinner & smoother) and then powdercoated x2. BTW, I have a set of at least four or five 16"x5.5" wheels I need to get rid of, along with a few other minor Series parts, such as some window glass, good door sills (for an 88"), a slightly bent hand crank, etc.--nothing too exciting! I'll try to bring what I can to Palo Alto. Granny From bens Mon Aug 23 20:51:10 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7O0pAVY008439 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:51:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7O0pAqA008438 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:51:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:51:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200408240051.i7O0pAts008434@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Hope Peter" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: galvan wheels Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Question: has anyone ever had their steel Rover wheels galvanized? > I'm talking about an ancient (and kinda rusty) set of 16 inchers. > I'm thinking the blasting and pickling process before the dip would > take care of the corrosion better than blasting and > priming before paint. > What could the downsides be-- imbalance > caused by uneven zinc coating? Warping? > What about powder coating for wheels > (once the corrosion is dealt with)? Galved wheels are great. When you say blasted do you mean sand blasted? Sand blasting the metal leaves very very small pits in the surface of the metal. When the item then gets dipped the item ends up with a very uniform metalic grey color to them. This is NOT the way stock galved items on Rovers look. If you look closely at stock items you can see how the galv flows and seperates into different colored flakes. Its a personal taste issue but I like the flake look instead of the solid look. The only way to get the flow look is to acid dip strip the paint and rust off. We run our stuff down to Portland, OR to strip because its not done in Washington then we bring back up here and galv in Seattle. Tons of folks dipp rims here. If you get any slag on the bead area you can wire wheel them. Know issues of balancing. Powder coat, if it cracks at all from impact it allows water behind it and then it rusts behind the coating. If you aren't offroading and dont have worry about impacts powerder coating is pretty great. Pete From bens Tue Aug 24 00:29:52 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7O4TqVY018427 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 00:29:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7O4TqAG018426 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 00:29:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 00:29:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200408240429.i7O4TpJf018422@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: tomw To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Trail inventory was..Re: CORE in the Sierras Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 11:06, Bruce R. Bonar wrote: > I think what you're referring to Tom is a nationwide US Forest Service > initiative that could severely impact the number of trails open for OHV use. > Blue Ribbon Coalition and many other OHV advocacy groups are encouraging members > to identify and map trails that they have used. Yup, thats it :) > The intent is that those trails > will be entered into USFS's data base as active trails and are therefore less > apt to be closed. There are specific guidelines on how the inventory is to be > done, the information to be submitted, which forms to use etc. I can provide > additional information if people are interested. > > Bruce Bonar TomW From bens Wed Aug 25 12:01:31 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7PG1VVY010670 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:01:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7PG1Vbi010669 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:01:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:01:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200408251601.i7PG1UFp010665@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo \(E-mail\)" Subject: FW: Land Rover site Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 33 lines filtered. ] Mendoites, I got the following invitation. Anyone else? Anyone know Serg (or is he on Mendo?) Blair (who really likes the Mendo format and community better than the bulletin board style!!!) From bens Wed Aug 25 13:42:37 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7PHgbVY014773 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:42:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7PHgbBR014772 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:42:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:42:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200408251742.i7PHgbwq014768@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Brian" To: Subject: OT: Cortina Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It appears like one of our mendo folks will be the new owner of my 1968 Ford Cortina 1600GT. I am really happy it is going to a good home. I will let the new owner pop up and admit to buying it. ;^) Since it is a British car, I am assembling a list of people along the route that the new owner can contact in case he needs assistance. Of course, I don't think he will need any help, but it is better to be safe. So, if you could contact me off-list with a phone number and approximate area along the 101 freeway (between Orange County and the Bay Area) where you would be willing to help, then email me at roundel@hotmail.com In case you wanted to see pics of the car, then go here: http://www.fototime.com/inv/BB838C38604F212 Thanks, Brian Foster From bens Wed Aug 25 15:38:49 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7PJcnVY019301 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:38:49 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7PJcnQd019300 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:38:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:38:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200408251938.i7PJcnTu019296@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo \(E-mail\)" Subject: Land Rover site Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 25 lines filtered. ] I'll try that again: From bens Wed Aug 25 17:32:13 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7PLWDVY023962 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:32:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7PLWDLv023961 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:32:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:32:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200408252132.i7PLWDQo023957@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Roger Sinasohn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Land Rover site Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 12:38 PM 8/25/04, you wrote: > [ 25 lines filtered. ] >I'll try that again: If at first you don't succeed... 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From bens Thu Aug 26 00:53:10 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7Q4rAVY010095 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 00:53:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7Q4rAFI010094 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 00:53:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 00:53:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200408260453.i7Q4r9JE010090@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: OT: Cortina Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Good to see that a few of these good old cars still exist -- I remember them bering very popular when I was in high school in New Zealand Cheers John Brian wrote: From bens Thu Aug 26 11:01:26 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7QF1QVY002340 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:01:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7QF1Q4v002339 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:01:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:01:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200408261501.i7QF1Qv0002335@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Niagra Rim Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Any news of Niagra Rim? I can help if need be. Please let me know some details and we can start arranging something. Let's not let it slip by. Thanks. Mark Pilkington From bens Thu Aug 26 22:31:03 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7R2V3VY030000 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:31:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7R2V3ac029999 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:31:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:31:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200408270231.i7R2V3Re029995@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Anybody want a compressor? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi all, I have a 20gal, 3.5 hp compressor - bought at Costco several years ago. I wasn't using it so I lent it to my nephew a few months ago. I was hoping he would keep it but he's heading off to college. Since my garage space is at a premium, I'd like to get rid of it. I am located approx the middle of Oakland, near Grand Ave and Oakland Ave. Frank From bens Fri Aug 27 00:50:13 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7R4oDVY004613 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:50:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7R4oD4G004612 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:50:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:50:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200408270450.i7R4oDvH004608@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: eBay Range Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It looks like the seller of eBay item 2487826719 decided to take my description of the 25th aniv. Range Rover and Ben's Rover FAQ Land Rover logos without asking... Kevin From bens Fri Aug 27 10:24:22 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7REOLVY027160 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:24:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7REOLmp027159 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:24:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:24:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200408271424.i7REOLSu027155@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Hope Peter" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: eBay Range Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org OMG, I dont think I have ever seen a listing with so many f-ing photos :) Kevin Kelly wrote: > It looks like the seller of eBay item 2487826719 decided to take my > description of the 25th aniv. Range Rover and Ben's Rover FAQ Land Rover > logos without asking... > > Kevin > From bens Fri Aug 27 12:20:30 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7RGKUVY031955 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:20:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7RGKUCt031954 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:20:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:20:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200408271620.i7RGKUkT031950@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Jason Pipes" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Anybody want a compressor? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Frank, I'm interested in this! Let me know... Jason > > Hi all, > > I have a 20gal, 3.5 hp compressor - bought at Costco several years ago. > I wasn't using it so I lent it to my nephew a few months ago. I was > hoping he would keep it but he's heading off to college. Since my > garage space is at a premium, I'd like to get rid of it. > > I am located approx the middle of Oakland, near Grand Ave and Oakland Ave. > > Frank > > Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com From bens Fri Aug 27 13:23:02 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7RHN2VY001892 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:23:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7RHN2gM001891 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:23:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:23:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200408271723.i7RHN1PI001887@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Anybody want a compressor? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 63 lines filtered. ] --------------000708090807080201080207 Hi Jason, It is free. I'll offer/give in the order of response. I'll let you know if the earlier response(s) don't show. Frank -------------------------- Jason Pipes wrote: >Frank, I'm interested in this! > >Let me know... > >Jason > > > >>Hi all, [ 29 additional quoted lines pruned. ] --------------000708090807080201080207 From bens Fri Aug 27 15:33:46 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7RJXkVY007106 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:33:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7RJXkfR007105 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:33:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:33:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200408271933.i7RJXjWX007101@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: OT: Audio Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey folks, I bought some Magneplanars because I can position them out of the way (and they're cool and sound good). Now I have my old Spica TC-50s and speaker stands to get rid of. The stands are steel, black coated with something, very stealth looking crinkly matte finish. they stand about 3 feet tall, with hollow legs to fill with sand or shot (they said this, not me). Have rubber bumpers between the speaker and the metal and sharp pointy feet to anchor the speaker and stand to the hard floor below. Shippable, but not easy. The TC-50s are walnut finish. One speaker had its grill cover frame broken. the pieces fit together, the cover goes on and looks completely normal at first glance, but when removed its a floppy mess. Nevertheless, I always liked these speakers (from DB audio, RIP) and would like to pass them on to someone. If you want some extra speakers or the speaker stands, and perhaps some monster cable wires, get back to me. I can email digo pics if you want. I'm sure a google for Spica TC50 will turn up bunches of hits. I'm sorry, but I have no info or paperwork on who made the stands (not like me, I usually save all documents). cheers, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby", 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2000 custom fixed gear (I built the frame), 2002 Merlin Extra Fat, 2004 Steve Rex (done!) ours: 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Fri Aug 27 17:10:33 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7RLAWVY011082 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:10:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7RLAWkp011081 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:10:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:10:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200408272110.i7RLAWbj011077@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: OT: Audio Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi John, Don't you need something like 500w rms/ch to drive those things? What are you using? Frank -------------------- John Hess wrote: >Hey folks, > >I bought some Magneplanars because I can position them out of the way ... > > From bens Sat Aug 28 19:55:00 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7SNt0VY010207 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:55:00 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7SNt0Cb010206 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:55:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:54:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200408282354.i7SNsxdu010202@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: Mini's Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well the freshman are all moving in this weekend, and the prefered vehicle is the Mini. I saw 8 parked in a downtown Davis, and 2 more on my way home. Rob -------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld From bens Sat Aug 28 23:50:02 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7T3o2VY019292 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 23:50:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7T3o2Pe019291 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 28 Aug 2004 23:50:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 23:50:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200408290350.i7T3o2vG019271@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: tomw To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: eBay Range Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org That sure is a clean looking rover though! TomW On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 07:24, Hope Peter wrote: > OMG, I dont think I have ever seen a listing with so many f-ing photos :) > > Kevin Kelly wrote: > > It looks like the seller of eBay item 2487826719 decided to take my > > description of the 25th aniv. Range Rover and Ben's Rover FAQ Land Rover > > logos without asking... > > > > Kevin > > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- TomW From bens Mon Aug 30 00:07:43 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7U47hVY017242 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:07:43 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7U47hbG017241 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:07:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:07:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200408300407.i7U47gok017237@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Anybody want a compressor? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry, picked up today. Frank ---------------- Jason Pipes wrote: >Frank, I'm interested in this! > >Let me know... > From bens Mon Aug 30 02:55:16 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7U6tGVY025322 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 02:55:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7U6tGTg025321 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 02:55:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 02:55:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200408300655.i7U6tGC4025317@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Twakeman" To: "Mendo" Subject: Re: Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 3 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ image/bmp; name="tthjxyepji.bmp" ] [ application/octet-stream; name="Garry.zip" ] [ 552 lines filtered. ] ----------tbwvfvlhkdoflbfswyrq From bens Mon Aug 30 08:12:19 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7UCCJVY005917 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:12:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7UCCJRE005916 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:12:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:12:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200408301212.i7UCCIK9005912@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: BwanaE@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: NCRC Niagara Rim outing Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 25 lines filtered. ] Okay folks...the date has been set: Sept. 25/26. Mark your calenders now for some excellent, challenging trails high in the Sierra Nevadas (off Hwy.108 above Sonora, Ca). More details will follow next week...Brig and I are off and running, trying to complete the fall harvest and crush this weekend. Cheers, Eric. Eric Cope 1232 Appaloosa Road Angels Camp, CA. 95222 Home phone: 209-736-9279 Cell phone: 209-988-2842 E-mail: BwanaE@aol.com From bens Mon Aug 30 13:52:43 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7UHqhVY020096 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:52:43 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7UHqhk2020095 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:52:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:52:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200408301752.i7UHqgYj020091@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: shukait@mac.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: BP Deal of the Day Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, Check out the extended antenna on this LR 101, pretty cool... "Monday, August 30, 2004 Today's 'Special' will be up shortly. In the meantime, here's a photo from yesterday's LA British Car Day. Alongside the expected Series and Defenders, was the unexpected: Dave Dunn's 101 'Vampire' radio truck in full military readiness. Pretty effective camouflage, too" Anybody go to the meet there? Cheers, Keith & Pam Shukait 1997 Land Rover Discovery XD "YLLWJKT" 1967 Land Rover Series IIA NADA 6 Cylinder Dormobile "Indiana" From bens Mon Aug 30 14:12:39 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7UICdVY020940 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:12:39 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7UICdJe020939 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:12:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:12:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200408301812.i7UICd3m020935@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Granville" To: Subject: Re: BP Deal of the Day Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks, Keith; v. cool foto! > Check out the extended antenna on this LR 101, pretty cool... From bens Mon Aug 30 18:15:06 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7UMF6VY030917 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:15:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7UMF60g030916 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:15:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:15:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200408302215.i7UMF6qb030912@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: StevHutch@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Concept Cars :NAIAS 2004 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org These may be old news, but I just stumbled across them today. Pics of the new Ford Bronco concept car (screams Tonka to me): http://www.autointell.net/Events/naias-2004/naias-2004-daily/ford-bronco/naias-2004-highlights-bronco.htm Pics of the Land Rover 'Range Stormer' concept car(screams Pimp-my-Ride): http://www.autointell.net/Events/naias-2004/naias-2004-daily/range-stormer/naias-2004-highlights-range-stormer.htm Enjoy, Steve H. From bens Tue Aug 31 15:58:25 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7VJwPVY020881 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:58:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7VJwPbT020880 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:58:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:58:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200408311958.i7VJwON4020876@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: "mendo_recce@fourfold.org" Subject: Palo Alto Field Leak Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Is anyone certain about the date for the PAFM? If it's the 12th I may actually be able to attend (for the 1`st time) with Spot. Which begs the question, should I wash him? Thanks, Bruce who doesn't think we'll make Portland this year. :-( From bens Tue Aug 31 16:30:25 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7VKUPVY022304 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:30:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7VKUOxV022292 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:30:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:30:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200408312030.i7VKUNrG022281@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Taylor Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Palo Alto Field Leak Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 10 lines filtered. ] Palo Alto Meet is definitely on the 12th of September this year. ----------------------------------------- The 25th Annual Palo Alto British Car Meet PALO ALTO BRITISH CAR MEET SEPTEMBER 11th & 12th, 2004 Once again, be part of the biggest British automotive lawn event in California. Over 600 classic, quirky and thoroughly lovable British cars are expected to fill the field at El Camino Park for the 24th Annual Palo Alto British Car Meet. SUNDAY SHOW - SEPTEMBER 12th Join us for the Best All British Car Show In The West! Don't have a show car? Don't worry! Daily drivers, vintage racers, street rods & works-in-progress are as welcome as concours quality show cars. Great British food, jazz, new parts, literature, toys, gifts and more fun than you'll be able to tolerate! People's Choice awards in six classes. Join your British car friends for a smashing day at the park. Cars will be placed on the field, by marquee, at about 9:00AM, and the fun goes on all day. The registration fee is $25 per car at the gate. There is no pre-registration. All participants will receive a commemorative gift. Spectators park and attend free. Again this year we will be visited by the Arcane Auto Society and their wonderful, whimsical cars from around the world. Last year, this was one of our more popular new features and there is no reason why their display will not be bigger and more unusual for 2003! SATURDAY TOUR - SEPTEMBER 11th The British Car Meet Tour To The Sea starts at El Camino Park in Palo Alto - the same place as the Sunday Car Show. This is a no-cost option for people who like to drive their cars as well as show them. It will also be open to the Arcane Auto owners. We will be sending cars off between 9:00AM and 10:00AM. Don't be late! The event will end at Cameron's Pub in Half Moon Bay where we will be kicking tyres and telling tall tales in the car park into the afternoon. DIRECTIONS El Camino Park is located on the El Camino Real, just north of University Avenue, opposite Stanford Center. From 101 take University Ave west, go under the Alma Street overpass, and turn right onto the El Camino Real. From 280, take the Sandhill Road Exit east and turn right on the El Camino, stay to the right to the University Ave exit, turn left at the overpass, then left again back onto the El Camino heading north. PLEASE, DO NOT PARK TRAILERS IN THE STANFORD CENTER PARKING LOT! Trailer parking will be available on-site on the south field. Phone: 310-392-6605 e-mail: "Palo Alto 2004" wrote: Is anyone certain about the date for the PAFM? If it's the 12th I may actually be able to attend (for the 1`st time) with Spot. Which begs the question, should I wash him? Thanks, Bruce who doesn't think we'll make Portland this year. :-( ---------------------------------------------------------------- "You'll see one day when you move out, it just sort of happens, one day it's gone, and it's like you can never get it back. It's like you feel homesick for a place that doesn't even exist. But maybe it's like this rite of passage. From bens Tue Aug 31 16:38:23 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7VKcNVY022535 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:38:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7VKcNb7022534 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:38:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:38:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200408312038.i7VKcNYd022530@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Palo Alto Field Leak Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bruce, > Is anyone certain about the date for the PAFM? If it's the 12th I may > actually be able to attend (for the 1`st time) with Spot. I bet TeriAnn has the scoop on this one... > Which begs the question, should I wash him? Not touching that one. > Thanks, > > Bruce > who doesn't think we'll make Portland this year. :-( Me either. I'm on Duty Pager for the next two weeks to make up for the rafting trip on the Green River in UT. As soon as I get done being lazy I'll post some pictures of the trip. Cheeers, Keithg From bens Tue Aug 31 17:02:05 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7VL25VY023514 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:02:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7VL251Q023513 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:02:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:02:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200408312102.i7VL241q023509@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Subject: Re: Palo Alto Field Leak Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org When is Portland? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 12:58 PM Subject: Palo Alto Field Leak > > Is anyone certain about the date for the PAFM? If it's the 12th I may > actually be able to attend (for the 1`st time) with Spot. > Which begs the question, should I wash him? > > Thanks, > > Bruce > who doesn't think we'll make Portland this year. :-( [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Aug 31 17:21:48 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7VLLmVY024326 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:21:48 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7VLLmYe024325 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:21:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:21:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200408312121.i7VLLmJf024321@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Palo Alto Field Leak Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Labor Day Weekend, as in this coming Sat & Sun. Bruce Mark Pilkington wrote: > When is Portland? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bruce R. Bonar" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 12:58 PM > Subject: Palo Alto Field Leak > > > [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Aug 31 20:15:56 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i810FuVY030268 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:15:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i810FuOb030267 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:15:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:15:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200409010015.i810Ftn4030263@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Palo Alto Field Leak Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Bruce > who doesn't think we'll make Portland this year. :-( Me neither. I had the LR lubed, tuned up, new brakes & some new hub oil seals, the roof rack back on and halfway packed when I took a financial hit that's keeping me home 8*( T. J. Wakeman 1960 Land Rover 109 Dormobile owned since 1978 1961 Triumph TR3A owned since 1986, the new car From bens Tue Aug 31 20:57:30 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i810vUVY031833 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:57:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i810vTNJ031832 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:57:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:57:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200409010057.i810vT3u031828@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Roger Sinasohn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Palo Alto Field Leak Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 01:30 PM 8/31/04, you wrote: >Palo Alto Meet is definitely on the 12th of September this year. So the 11th is ONLY the drive? If so, I think we'll be able to make it for the field leak on Sunday the 12th as well (hopefully). --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From bens Tue Aug 31 21:01:03 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i81113VY032040 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:01:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i81113jF032039 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:01:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:01:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200409010101.i81112Ai032035@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: "Granville" To: Subject: Re: Palo Alto Field Leak Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org No PABFM for me this year but I do plan to be at the PALL. Granny From bens Tue Aug 31 21:10:56 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i811AtVY032442 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:10:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i811AtVc032441 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:10:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:10:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200409010110.i811AtrD032437@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Palo Alto Field Leak Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > > > Bruce > > who doesn't think we'll make Portland this year. :-( > > Me neither. I had the LR lubed, tuned up, new brakes & > some new hub > oil seals, the roof rack back on and halfway packed when > I took a > financial hit that's keeping me home 8*( me neither...looks like it will be another year before I'm up in portland. ;-( and don't think we'll make it to Palo Alto either, unless I can come up with a business reason to be in area...hmmm! Paul From bens Tue Aug 31 22:58:41 2004 Received: from coriana6.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coriana6.b5.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i812wfVY004096 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:58:41 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by coriana6.fourfold.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i812wfBd004095 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:58:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: majordomo set sender to owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org using -f Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:58:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200409010258.i812wfKZ004091@coriana6.fourfold.org> X-Authentication-Warning: coriana6.b5.fourfold.org: mailnull set sender to mailfilter using -f From: To: Subject: Woodley Park Car Meet Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ null; ] [ 66 lines filtered. ] Keith wrote: > In the meantime, here's a photo from yesterday's LA British Car Day. Alongside the expected Series and Defenders, was the unexpected: Dave Dunn's 101 'Vampire' radio truck in full military readiness. Pretty effective camouflage, too" >Anybody go to the meet there? Golly, I was parked right next to the Vampire, between it and Tim's lightweight with my excitable Jack Russell Terrier tied to my SIII 88, Red Rufy. Got to see Jay Leno walk right past me as his mechanic showed him the Vampire. It looks like I will be going to Portland in my SIII though and will try to hit Palo Alto on the way back. Karen Sindir