From bens Fri Nov 1 09:14:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA1EE3a17163 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:14:03 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:14:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200211011414.gA1EE3I17159@minbar.fourfold.org> From: LRDino@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #887 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Morgan, Count me in. Thanks, Dino G From bens Fri Nov 1 11:49:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA1GnuD18380 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:49:56 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:49:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200211011649.gA1Gnu018376@minbar.fourfold.org> From: StevHutch@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Cracking plastic caps Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 11 lines filtered. ] Damn, I totally agree. I have always thought someone could start a business making unbreakable replacement caps..say out of machined aluminum. I bet you could easily sell them on the counter of every autoparts store in the country. haha - Steve H > I swear, that cap-cracking feature is carefully designed in, and that > someone would get fired if the company found out the product life wasn't > properly self-limiting on that basis. From bens Fri Nov 1 12:53:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA1Hrtl18798 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:53:55 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:53:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200211011753.gA1HrtJ18794@minbar.fourfold.org> From: David Guinivere To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Nigerian Fraud Story... (no LR content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I saw this story in Randy Cassingham's THIS IS TRUE news letter. Thought it was worth passing along after the recent thread about the "Nigerian Fraud".... I snipped out the unrelated stories, but left in the legal stuff and subscription info incase anyone wants to subscribe. - DTG >Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 20:00:00 -0700 >To: daveg@globes.com >From: This is True >Subject: THIS is TRUE for 20 October >List-Unsubscribe: >Reply-To: "Don't Mail Here! See Bottom of Message" > >X-Perlmx-Spam: Gauge=XIIIII, Probability=15%, Report="COPYRIGHT_CLAIMED, >DIFFERENT_REPLY_TO, TO_UNSUB_REPLY" [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] >GOTCHA: The years-old "Nigerian Fraud" has snagged another gullible > victim. The fraud, most commonly e-mailed or faxed by conmen in Nigeria > to hundreds of thousands of random people at a time, claims that the > perpetrator has millions of dollars in cash that he needs to smuggle > out of the country, and if the victim will only help him pay a small > transfer fee they can have a big percentage. The fees grow and grow as > complication after complication crops up. That's what happened to Ann > Marie Poet of Rochester Hills, Mich., the FBI says. Investigators say > Poet paid out $2.1 million, $9,400 to $360,000 at a time, in attempts [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] >NEVER HEARD OF THE "Nigerian Scam", or unsure what to do if you get > solicited by one of these slimy schemers? That means you haven't read > my primer on spam -- MUST reading for anyone with an e-mail address: > http://www.SpamPrimer.com or send a blank e-mail to Info@SpamPrimer.com > >SUBSCRIPTIONS to "This is True" are FREE. Just send a blank message to > join-this-is-true@lyris.net or see our web site. Published weekly by > Freelance Communications, PO Box 17326, Boulder CO 80308 USA since 1994 > (ISSN 1521-1932). TRUE is available to newspapers as a regular feature > column. "This is True" is a registered trademark. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE: see the end of this message >FOR INFO on TRUE subscriptions, our book collections or other products, > see http://www.thisistrue.com or e-mail TrueInfo@thisistrue.com >TO COMMENT TO THE AUTHOR: e-mail arcie@thisistrue.com [ 20 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Nov 1 15:28:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA1KSeK19730 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:28:40 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:28:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200211012028.gA1KSei19726@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Molded Series floor mats Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org While at the Sodbury Sort Out in England last Sat, I had the opportunity to visit the "Exmoor Trim" tent (these are the people who make "Trakkers". They're now selling a very nice, molded, one piece floor covering for Series Land Rovers (and soon Defenders). What's different compared to the NLA County mats is these are molded from thick padded urethane compared to the County's hard rubber. They also include the middle bulkhead surface and the entire seat box. Not cheap but I'd buy em if I wasn't still "depreciating" my expensive County mats. http://www.exmoortrim.co.uk/matting.htm Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From bens Fri Nov 1 15:52:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA1KqlR19874 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:52:47 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:52:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200211012052.gA1Kql919870@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Thomas Joyner" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Cast Iron welding Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org James said: "One of the local welders here in Flagstaff rebuilds these and resells them on the side. I will ask him when I visit him this afternoon." James, If that is Frank Mayorga, tell him I said "Hi." When I worked for Oars/Grand Canyon Dories we were always at his shop having something made up for our operation. That said, according to my welding book you can Arc weld cast iron though it is difficult. The piece(s) to be welded should be heated to between 400 and 1200 degrees (preferably while welding). The rod to use is NIROD - a nickel based rod. The book goes on to state the best way to weld cast iron is to braze it - V-notch the crack completely to the center the heat to 350, then braze it. Tom Durango 88 RR (with engine half ready to pull) From bens Fri Nov 1 17:29:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA1MTRk20576 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:29:27 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:29:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200211012229.gA1MTRl20572@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Miles M." To: Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #888 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I think those Dunlop RR R/Ts are the best tire for the Disco out there. I have 35,000 on mine. MILES On 11/1/02 12:52 PM, "Mendo_Recce digest:" wrote: > Dunlop RR R/Ts Miles O. Mulcare Lewis & Clark College 615 SW Palatine Hill Road M.S.C. 1376 Portland, OR USA 97219 From bens Fri Nov 1 18:06:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA1N68G20752 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:06:08 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:06:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200211012306.gA1N68d20748@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Cast Iron welding Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yes, it is Frank Mayorga. He said if the crack is in the fire bowl you might as well forget it and get a new firebowl cast. Otherwise, you may be able to fix it. There are a lot of different types of cast iron that are used on stoves, and you really don't kow what type you are dealing with until you start trying to weld. He V's the crack out, heats the stove up, then uses nickel rod, and depending on how it goes there are several different tracks he can take, involving different gases and rods. You could call him directly at 928-774-2636 to ask him about it. He is a real nice guy. Some days he is busier than others so he may not be able to talk to you much. Thomas Joyner wrote: > If that is Frank Mayorga, tell him I said "Hi." When I worked for Oars/Grand > Canyon Dories we were always at his shop having something made up for our > operation. From bens Fri Nov 1 18:30:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA1NUcg20865 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:30:38 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:30:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200211012330.gA1NUc520861@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Matt W" To: Subject: Was: Cast Iron welding Now: Grand Canyon Dorry's Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org first the stove thing, I have a small cast iron stove Sears and Roebuck model 119-57 its 25" high x 12 dia. all the pieces are there and its free to the first land rover owner that emails me for it. Tom Wrote Tom how long ago did you work for the Dory's? Did you know Barny Drake and Pete Gross? (i think most people just know pete as "dirt bag") They were my rommmates her in SB durring the school year then they would river giude in the summer. Ive Kept in touch with Barny but havent heard from Pete in years if you know him would you have an adress? you can reach me at rvrfish@cox.net Matt wilson From bens Fri Nov 1 23:09:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA249EL22224 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 23:09:14 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 23:09:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200211020409.gA249Eo22220@minbar.fourfold.org> From: StevHutch@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Subject: Re: Cast Iron welding recommendations (no LR) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 14 lines filtered. ] > My manual, 'Do your own professional Welding', states cast iron can be welded with either oxy-Acet. or Arc welding. Cast iron requires special techniques, pre-heating to prevent shrinkage and cracking of base metal. Electrodes or rods such as Hobart's Nickelcast, or Airco's no. 9 sintered iron (best for grey iron , of which wood stoves are usually made of.) are recommended If you are repairing an engine block Eutectic's Xyron 2-24 is best , as it is designed for minimal surface penetration to prevent blow through on thin areas where water jackets are present. Technique is to use a torch to preheat the weld and surrounding area red hot or about 500 deg. before welding, and afterwards , if possible wrap the area in fireproof insulation to prevent too rapid cooling. (they suggest a space blanket , then several inches thickness of fiberglass batting insulation.) Good luck... - Steve H. From bens Sat Nov 2 00:18:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA25Ili23687 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 00:18:47 -0500 Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 00:18:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200211020518.gA25IjA23683@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: Molded Series floor mats Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Very nice product! I'll add that to my wish-list for the Snark. Granny From bens Sat Nov 2 14:40:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA2JeGA27432 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 14:40:16 -0500 Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 14:40:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200211021940.gA2JeGr27428@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: SF Sigtings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I saw a couple interesting Land Rovers on the way back from the gym today. 1. A 1995 AA Yellow D90 with a custom Badger half top and a 1994 style front bumper with clear (vs yellow) lights in it. 2. An older SII 88 with faded red paint (it was pink) and a green wing on the passenger side. Kevin From bens Sun Nov 3 19:27:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA40RuV03956 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 19:27:56 -0500 Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 19:27:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200211040027.gA40RtU03952@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Michael Samuels" To: Subject: tranny woes ctd Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello mendo friends, so, its come to this, the 109 5 door I sent to my friend in fla has a broke tranny, her teenage son drove it or something, and this venerable warrior is now not running for the first time in years, the repair shop in gainesville fla who knows rovers ?? put it on the lift, the symptom was jamming in reverse and locking up tranny, it jammed on thier lift?? they pulled the tranny back looked at it, pulled it off the lift with a tow truck and now want 2800$ for a rebuilt tranny from some place in louisiana intstalled with a new clutch,so, Rudy and I are not there to work on it, we could do it in calif in a day from one of our parts cars, so what now group? does this price make sense, should i put in a new engine tranny chevy or something now that I am into this? who knows, what advice do you all have, thanks and hello to all, Michael Samuels, www.oldrover.com From bens Sun Nov 3 21:11:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA42BsE04388 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 21:11:54 -0500 Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 21:11:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200211040211.gA42Bs004384@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: tranny woes ctd Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Michael, Sounds like the teenage son didn't know how to double-clutch, and broke something, possibly teeth off of a gear that eventually mixed it up with the mainshaft and layshaft. $2800 to me is a bit excessive for a rebuilt gearbox, but the price of 'em does vary greately depending on what part of the world you're in. Several years ago, BP was asking something crazy like $1200-1500 for used/core 2.25 engines (that probably didn't run!), and they were getting it! If 'ya go for the rebuilt box at that price, I would want the remains of the old one if I were you. Otherwise, get a second opinion from another shop, and get a rebuilt box from England unless they're offering you a killer warranty. (definately in writing!) Charles On Sun, 3 Nov 2002 19:27:55 -0500 "Michael Samuels" writes: > > Hello mendo friends, > so, its come to this, the 109 5 door I sent to my friend in fla has > a broke > tranny, her teenage son drove it or something, and this venerable > warrior is > now not running for the first time in years, the repair shop in > gainesville > fla who knows rovers ?? put it on the lift, the symptom was jamming [ 18 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Mon Nov 4 01:35:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA46ZqY07281 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 01:35:52 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 01:35:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200211040635.gA46Zpj07277@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: I didn't do it!!!!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...and I hope that nobody on the list was responsible! Long Beach, Ca. @ 0700 today - on the southbound 710 freeway near the 405 interchange, there were two accidents that involved nearly 200 (yes - two hundred!) vehicles!!!!! It appears that the cause of the accident was weather related - fog with less than 30-foot visibility. Amazingly, no fatalaties. As for me, I was here at home performing an engine swap on Gillian: I came to the conclusion that I messed up the valve/crankshaft timing, and so the rebuilt engine came out, and the Dave G. engine went in...didn't start it yet, as I had just enough daylight left after the install to clean up the place! Charles ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Mon Nov 4 09:20:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA4EKLZ10161 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:20:21 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:20:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200211041420.gA4EKLr10157@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: transplant surgury Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...the Dave G. engine went in..." Very cool. I'm glad it's doing some good somewhere, and I'm dying to hear how it performs in a place where it can get some air in the cylinders! :^) I think you already had your heater plugs hooked through a relay, but just a reminder, you'll DEFINITELY want those parallel jobs wired that way (I used a Ford-type starter relay, kept sticking the little plastic ones). And DON'T use the ballast resistor that went with the series-wired plugs. Alternator is a 3-wire type, so you'll need 2 wires back to B+ and one (the small white one) to the - side of the bulb on the dash and from the + side of the bulb to ign (switched) power. That's all I can think of right now. Keep us in the know. -Dave G. From bens Mon Nov 4 09:26:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA4EQQS13032 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:26:26 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:26:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200211041426.gA4EQQR13028@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: tranny woes ctd Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If "...some guy in Louisiana..." is George Laird, you'll be getting a fair deal on the parts at the source. Call him up and see what he's asking for the trans, just to know how much they're getting in markup/labor. George is always advertising something on LRX. I thought you could get an entire brand new tranny/tcase combo from RN for less than 4k, so I wouldn't expect to pay more than 7 or 8 hundred for a used tranny (unknown condition) alone. Anyway, see what George says. If you like, I can poll some FLA friends about potential other places to do the work, but it will of course mean a tow. Charles is of course right on that you should get your old parts back. -Dave G. From bens Mon Nov 4 09:52:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA4EqSf13375 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:52:28 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:52:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200211041452.gA4EqRg13371@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: transplant surgury Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yes - I do have the plugs wired through a relay: I made that mod several months ago, due to constantly cooking wires! Gillian has had a Delco alternator almost since I got her (used to have a Ford setup with remote regulator), so the wiring is straightforward there. (I love it when a plan comes together...) Only snag: I had to destroy the pilot shaft bushing, because the existing one was too small of a diameter for my gearbox???????????? I have a S3 gearbox, and I use a IIA input shaft as a "clutch alignment tool": both are the same diameter (I measured 'em...), yet it wouldn't mate to that pilot shaft bushing - neither one being too keen on being removed, so I made the wrong sized one go away....... I know - I shouldn't install a gearbox like that, but it's gonna go 200 miles, and then the gearbox is coming out anyway due to a mystery oil leak. Once it's in Visalia it'll be indoors and I can work on it whenever, as opposed to being here and outside. At present, I MUST move at least one running vehicle so that I can get Gambrinus into the driveway for final assembly of body panels. Then, I can figure out the pilot shaft bushing. Anyway - if all goes well, Gillian will be alive once again as of today! I'm also going to make another famous Dave G. modification: threaded strips to go inside the breakfast...it was kind of a PITA to get some of the bolts out, and I'm tired of messing with 'em! While I don't plan on doing so very often, it's nice to not go through the hassle every time. So now I'll be upto 3 running Rovers, and the SD1 will be next! Charles On Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:20:21 -0500 "Gomes, David" writes: > > "...the Dave G. engine went in..." > > Very cool. I'm glad it's doing some good somewhere, and I'm dying > to hear > how it performs in a place where it can get some air in the > cylinders! :^) > > I think you already had your heater plugs hooked through a relay, [ 20 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Mon Nov 4 10:44:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA4FiFR13745 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:44:15 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:44:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200211041544.gA4FiFp13741@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: transplant surgury Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So are you saying you have NO pilot bushing? My suspicion is that will be VERY bad. The bearings in the trans that support the input shaft aren't meant to take a side load. When you push in the clutch, the weight of the driven plate will cause the input shaft to sag so that it will be slightly off center when you re-engage the clutch. The runout of the shaft will tear those input shaft bearings up in a BIG hurry, I'd think. When I did the clutch last year I replaced the pilot bearing and reamed the new one in place to factory spec (something like +.0002, -.0000) in the green bible. Checked it with gage blocks, so it's definitely not small. I used a home-made alignment tool that was turned to the spec size of the input shaft. When I dropped the motor in, the input shaft on my S3 trans slid right into place. Did you loosen the pressure plate to fit the alignment tool? It's possible that the driven plate in the clutch moved a little off center while it was being bounced around in the trailer. At least far enough to put the splines in the driven plate a bit out of alignment with the pilot bearing, preventing the alignment tool from going in. How the heck did you re-align the driven plate once you didn't have a pilot bearing in there???? I must be mis-reading you. I dunno for sure, I've never tried it, but I'd think you're asking for trouble running without a pilot bearing, even for a little while. -Dave G. From bens Mon Nov 4 11:12:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA4GCA814082 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:12:10 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:12:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200211041612.gA4GCAe14078@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: transplant surgury Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yes, I agree wholeheartedly, running without a pilot bearing is asking for bigger problems. BTW to remove an old pilot bearing, you can pack thick grease in it then put an old tranny shaft, or a rod of the close diameter in it, then hit it with a hammer. This will usually pop the bearing out. Bob B At 07:44 AM 11/4/2002, you wrote: >So are you saying you have NO pilot bushing? My suspicion is that will be >VERY bad. The bearings in the trans that support the input shaft aren't >meant to take a side load. When you push in the clutch, the weight of the >driven plate will cause the input shaft to sag so that it will be slightly >off center when you re-engage the clutch. The runout of the shaft will tear >those input shaft bearings up in a BIG hurry, I'd think. From bens Mon Nov 4 11:14:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA4GEDU14101 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:14:13 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:14:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200211041614.gA4GEDQ14097@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: transplant surgury Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I don't think it'll be much of a problem so long as I do something about it soon: I've driven MGB's for ages that didn't have one, and I only discovered it when I was replacing a clutch! The disc should keep it in place between here and Visalia, the only serious gear changes would be on the Grapevine (I'll drive it up there either late at night, or early morning, so I don't get stuck in traffic). OR...I may head over to BP: Russ needs an upper rear door hinge, and there are a few items I want to look at there. Either way, the gearbox has to come out before Mojave Road if I plan on taking Gillian (well, the gearbox in the SW has to come out as well...needs a clutch) YOU have a S3 gearbox!?!?!?!? Your clutch didn't look like it had a S3 pressure plate, so I swapped them: I have a bellhousing with an input shaft here, that I use for an alignment tool, and I simply mate it to the engine with the pressure plate bolts slightly loose, and tap it with a mallet - instant clutch alignment! Learned that trick from an old friend that used to restore TR's - he kept a set of input shafts for verious Brit cars, and when he did a clutch, he always had a positive alignment, and never had to fight with mating a engine to a gearbox. As a result, I have input shafts for MGB, TR 2-4, SD1, and Land Rover. Charles On Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:44:15 -0500 "Gomes, David" writes: > > So are you saying you have NO pilot bushing? My suspicion is that > will be > VERY bad. The bearings in the trans that support the input shaft > aren't > meant to take a side load. When you push in the clutch, the weight > of the > driven plate will cause the input shaft to sag so that it will be > slightly [ 35 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Mon Nov 4 12:17:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA4HHBT14714 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:17:11 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:17:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200211041717.gA4HHBP14710@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: transplant surgury Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...OR...I may head over to BP:...." New pilot bearing is not as simple as buying it and hammering it in. You need to pull the flywheel, press the bearing in, and then use an expansion reamer to ream it in place(after press) to the proper (tight tolerance) diameter. That's not to say it CAN'T be done another way, just that is the way the green bible describes it, and if you buy a new bearing, it will probably be undersized waiting to be reamed. Good luck in any case. I'm just glad to see the motor put to good use. Funny that the motor will run again in a different truck before the truck will run again with a different motor. :^) Oh yeah, and the truck/motor/what have you is a conglomeration of parts. You're right, the pressure plate is a diaphragm type, not the 3-finger type. But I'm not even certain the pressure plate is a LR one, knowing that truck's heritage. The driven plate is definitely NOT LR. If I remember right, it's '57 Chevy Biscayne with a 260.... But that's just from bad memory. I have it written down somewhere, and likely documented under the clutch work article on my website. Pilot bearing reaming process is there too. http://www.d-90.com/~daveg/index.html -Dave G. From bens Mon Nov 4 12:29:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA4HT5r14804 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:29:05 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:29:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200211041729.gA4HT4514800@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: transplant surgury Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org After consulting the white bible - and comparing to other input shafts in the garage, it appears that the Land Rover input shaft is quite longer forward of the bearing: so...out with the gearbox. (that engine is staying put!) I did kinda want to replace the 1st/2nd synchro assembly anyway...just not yet. I also need to finish making throttle linkage, and do away with that accelerator cable... Charles ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Mon Nov 4 12:43:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA4Hhlo15051 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:43:47 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:43:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200211041743.gA4Hhll15047@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: ! maye best after all. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Charles R Irvin wrote: > > After consulting the white bible - and comparing to other > input shafts in > the garage, it appears that the Land Rover input shaft is > quite longer > forward of the bearing: so...out with the gearbox. (that > engine is > staying put!) I did kinda want to replace the 1st/2nd > synchro assembly [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] hmmmmmm.....maybe the best move after all. I ws thinking about the # of shifts to get over teh grapevine after we talked last night.....and started to wonder....probably still safe, but best to be sure! now......in regards to the reamer for teh bushing? ;-) ya gotta do that. I do have one that should work, need to look at the specs for the landy(unless dave has tehm handy?) ;-) If you want, I can ups it down to you, along with a micrometer to check all unless you just want to run down to Harbor Freight and get a cheapie one instead? you can tap it in with a bushing/bearing installer tool, but dave is right, should be done withe the flywheel off really... let me know..I actually know exactly where it is as we were using it to ream out the wheel bolt holes for my friends morris travel-all a couple monthes ago....also have a drawer full of other fixed size reamers if a different size than the adjustable one does, is needed, I may have it alrady.. Paul __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From bens Mon Nov 4 12:47:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA4HlC015113 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:47:12 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:47:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200211041747.gA4HlC015109@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: "mendo_recce@fourfold.org" Subject: O2 sensors Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org http://www.buyoxygensensors.com/ has OEM 89 Range Rover O2 sensors for $95. From bens Mon Nov 4 12:51:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA4Hphd15211 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:51:43 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:51:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200211041751.gA4Hpgu15207@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: transplant surgury Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Why didn't I think of that??? I have an impact gun: I can simply use my old flywheel - problem solved! Well...I need new locktabs for my clutch... Correct: the pressure plate is the diaphragm type. It appears to be Land Rover, but it's the "light duty" (petrol) plate. My old one is the "heavy duty" (diesel/2.6) plate. The lighter clutch won't last under my feet. About the only visible difference is that the throwout fingers are bent outwards more, though I know there's a heavier spring rate. Charles On Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:17:11 -0500 "Gomes, David" writes: > > > New pilot bearing is not as simple as buying it and hammering it in. > You > need to pull the flywheel, ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Mon Nov 4 12:55:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA4HtgL15293 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:55:42 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:55:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200211041755.gA4Htgg15289@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "Mendo Recce (E-mail)" Subject: Torque wrenches on sale at Sears Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 22 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" If anyone is looking, Sears has their torque wrenches on sale for $59.99, with another 10% discount if you are a Craftsman Club member = $53.99. I got the big 1/2-inch drive 30-200 ft-lb that is normally $100 for that price. Pretty good deal I think. From bens Mon Nov 4 13:49:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA4InHb15961 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:49:17 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:49:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200211041849.gA4InGr15957@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Pilot Bushing Removal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Bob, I just packed it with chunks of Ivory soap, and used a 7/8" wood dowel. eric >>> bobnsueb@saber.net 11/04/02 08:12AM >>> Yes, I agree wholeheartedly, running without a pilot bearing is asking for bigger problems. BTW to remove an old pilot bearing, you can pack thick grease in it then put an old tranny shaft, or a rod of the close diameter in it, then hit it with a hammer. This will usually pop the bearing out. Bob B At 07:44 AM 11/4/2002, you wrote: >So are you saying you have NO pilot bushing? My suspicion is that will be >VERY bad. The bearings in the trans that support the input shaft aren't >meant to take a side load. When you push in the clutch, the weight of the >driven plate will cause the input shaft to sag so that it will be slightly >off center when you re-engage the clutch. The runout of the shaft will tear >those input shaft bearings up in a BIG hurry, I'd think. From bens Mon Nov 4 14:05:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA4J5sa16145 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:05:54 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:05:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200211041905.gA4J5sv16141@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Pilot bushings... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I talked with Tim @ BP about some items for a '93 Rangie that I was talked into working on, and just for giggles, I asked him about pilot shaft bushings: he sez the ones they sell are ready-reamed. Pop 'em in, and go. Kinda figured as much, seeing how's you can get them ready to fit for MG's and TR's, and just about anything else. Maybe I'll just keep that flywheel afterall, and avoid running into anything else! Charles ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Mon Nov 4 14:21:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA4JLNW16311 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:21:23 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:21:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200211041921.gA4JLM816307@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: ! maye best after all. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....need to look at the specs for the landy(unless dave has tehm handy?)...." 0.878 - 0.8785 according to my website article, which I probably did with the manual handy. -Dave G. From bens Mon Nov 4 14:34:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA4JYPS16428 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:34:25 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:34:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200211041934.gA4JYPS16424@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Pilot bushings... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...Maybe I'll just keep that flywheel afterall, and avoid running into anything else!..." It's got a fresh re-surfacing on it, and I think you'd be hard pressed to find one in better shape. If you can pop a new bushing in it and be ready to go, I say go for it. -Dave G. From bens Mon Nov 4 14:40:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA4JePP16480 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:40:25 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:40:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200211041940.gA4JePh16476@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: manuals/books for SIIA Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I am trying to decide what manuals/books I should get for a SIIA for maintenance, do it myself, and restoration. I am new on this so so many manuals alraedy confuse me. Any suggestions on that? Thanks. Charles _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free!  Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp From bens Mon Nov 4 15:00:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA4K0qw16623 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:00:52 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:00:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200211042000.gA4K0qY16619@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org We took a drive on Mt. Hamilton road around the mountain and back and saw a Series II 109 and 88" both dark green sitting out in front of a house, and something really mean looking back in the driveway, couldn't tell what it was though. I'm assuming it's someone on the list, but didn't want to find out at the end of a shotgun. :) Stirling __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From bens Mon Nov 4 15:25:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA4KPV516781 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:25:31 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:25:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200211042025.gA4KPV416777@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Stirling Anderson wrote: > > We took a drive on Mt. Hamilton road around the > mountain and back and saw a Series II 109 and 88" both > dark green sitting out in front of a house, and > something really mean looking back in the driveway, > couldn't tell what it was though. I'm assuming it's > someone on the list, but didn't want to find out at > the end of a shotgun. :) Stirling That would be up on mt hamilton? I forget her name, but she has a few rovers.....yes.....good decision, I recall her being a gun person from comments she made on the rovers north bullitan board years ago....never saw it when I was up there, but was usually going really fas on the ducati so wouldn't have been looking either! ;-) good to see you have not sold the beastie! but should have called. I would have loved to tag al ong in the midget, as it would be nice to have a support vehicle if/when it breaks down. I'm sure thewre will still be more teathing pains.....Elgie is still down for a while until I get the broken manifold stud out....again.... ;-( Paul __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From bens Mon Nov 4 15:38:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA4Kcho16881 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:38:43 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:38:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200211042038.gA4KchX16877@minbar.fourfold.org> From: carl kruger To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I believe her name is Carla- I recall talking with her when I first began the search for my Land Rover. Those other trucks house mobile communications equipment, one of her hobbies. Carl Kruger Ser. 3 88 At 03:25 PM 11/4/2002 -0500, you wrote: >That would be up on mt hamilton? I forget her name, but she >has a few rovers.....yes.....good decision, I recall her >being a gun person from comments she made on the rovers >north bullitan board years ago....never saw it when I was >up there, but was usually going really fas on the ducati so >wouldn't have been looking either! ;-) > >good to see you have not sold the beastie! but should have >called. I would have loved to tag al ong in the midget, as [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Nov 4 16:30:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA4LUxX17304 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:30:59 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:30:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200211042130.gA4LUwX17300@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Spencer Knight" To: Subject: transmission Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 19 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" Hi all, Is there any way to get the transmission in my truck out of park without = benefit of power? Thanks, Spencer From bens Mon Nov 4 16:35:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA4LZS317386 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:35:28 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:35:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200211042135.gA4LZRf17382@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Spencer Knight" To: Subject: RR 4.0 transmission Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi all, Is there any way to get the transmission in my truck out of park without benefit of power? Thanks, Spencer From bens Mon Nov 4 16:53:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA4LrEO17607 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:53:14 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:53:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200211042153.gA4Lr8I17603@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: manuals/books for SIIA Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I am trying to decide what manuals/books I should get for a SIIA for > maintenance, do it myself, and restoration. I am new on this so so many > manuals alraedy confuse me. Any suggestions on that? Thanks. For day to day maintenance stuff and tune up stuff you can not beat the owner's manual. It provides step by step how to info for the ongoing maintenance items. For serious rebuild stuff you will need the factory workshop manual. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Mon Nov 4 16:57:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA4LvUx17642 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:57:30 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:57:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200211042157.gA4LvUg17638@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: O2 sensors Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Wow, are these things for real? Aren't they something like $300 from Rover? One of mine went bad a few months ago and Philippe gave me an "ok" one he had lying about to hold me out for a while. Maybe it's time to replace both! Shannon On Monday, November 4, 2002, at 09:47 AM, James Howard wrote: > > > http://www.buyoxygensensors.com/ has OEM 89 Range Rover O2 sensors for > $95. > > From bens Mon Nov 4 17:28:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA4MSel17814 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:28:40 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:28:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200211042228.gA4MSen17810@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: RR 4.0 transmission Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Spencer, Presuming you mean an auto box with the locking lever........ I t h i n k that so long as you have the ignition switch in the "on" position with your foot on the brakes, that it unlocks it - doesn't it??? (I can't remember) Otherwise, you'll have to remove the locking solenoid at the transmission...think it's at the bottom of the shift cable. DO NOT try to force the lever into gear!!!!! This is one of the things I was talked into fixing on a '93 LWB that was supposed to be here this morning. (this bends the shift lever, and then it must be replaced...) Charles On Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:35:27 -0500 "Spencer Knight" writes: > > Hi all, > > Is there any way to get the transmission in my truck out of park > without > benefit of power? > > Thanks, > [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Mon Nov 4 17:29:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA4MTI617829 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:29:18 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:29:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200211042229.gA4MTIY17825@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: O2 sensors Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I don't know. I was hoping someone else would be the Guinea pig. Shannon Holland wrote: > Wow, are these things for real? Aren't they something like $300 from > Rover? One of mine went bad a few months ago and Philippe gave me an > "ok" one he had lying about to hold me out for a while. Maybe it's time > to replace both! > > Shannon > > On Monday, November 4, 2002, at 09:47 AM, James Howard wrote: > [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Nov 4 17:31:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA4MVwZ17898 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:31:58 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:31:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200211042231.gA4MVwE17894@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: sightings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, I did manage to see two Land Rovers in Belize. A 110 at the airport (off in the distance just as we landed) and then a a yellow pickup 110 at the Radisson hotel parking lot (while waiting for the airport shuttle after being kicked off the boat). I'm sure there were many more out there but the pickings were slim given I was out to sea for the week. The pickup was cool though! Looked like it had received many years of love/use. Needed some new tires very very badly! Shannon From bens Mon Nov 4 17:45:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA4MjpI18048 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:45:51 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:45:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200211042245.gA4MjpA18044@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: RR 4.0 transmission Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...I t h i n k that so long as you have the ignition switch in the "on" position with your foot on the brakes, that it unlocks it - doesn't it???...." Not if you don't have a battery....or don't have the trans in the car. :^) Is the combo still out of the truck Spencer? If so, your best bet is probably to put some juice to the solenoid connector. A 9v battery might just do it. If not, you'll have to rig it to 12v. You can take power off the solenoid after you shift out of park, but you might need to power it up again to get the lever back into park. -Dave G. From bens Mon Nov 4 18:57:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA4NvrJ18467 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:57:53 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:57:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200211042357.gA4Nvra18463@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shane Ballensky To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: O2 sensors Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I replaced the O2 sensors for my 94 D90 from this place. Same brand as stock. Shane From bens Mon Nov 4 19:05:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA505CT18522 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:05:12 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:05:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200211050005.gA505Bh18518@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Cast Iron welding recommendations (no LR) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Eric Schoenman wrote: > On Thursday, October 31, 2002, at 02:14 PM, Peter Hope wrote: > > >> that way you can make a nice fillet weld. > > > > I had a nice halibut fillet the other night. Fresh caught in the > > northern > > pacific. I have never had fillet of weld before. Is oxy-acetalyn the > > recommended method for cooking? I think oxy-acetylene is more commonly used for brazed fish, fillet or otherwise. bb From bens Mon Nov 4 19:41:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA50f7x18695 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:41:07 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:41:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200211050041.gA50f7f18691@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Defender Available in the US? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Okay, so what's the deal with this Bellargio Defender conversion for the U.S.? Has anyone seen or heard of these before? Thanks Brian EBAY Auction http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1871850561 Main: www.racecar.co.uk/bellargio ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.roverme.org Land Rover Community, Links and Email Services From bens Mon Nov 4 19:56:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA50u5D18833 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:56:05 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:56:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200211050056.gA50u5M18829@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tim Boorman" To: Subject: Re: Defender Available in the US? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org i was under the impression that it was too expensive to convert a defender - i.e. passenger side air bag etc, to bring it over here?? where did you hear about the Bellargio defender?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Horner" To: "Mendo Recce List" Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 12:41 AM Subject: Defender Available in the US? From bens Mon Nov 4 20:02:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA512Aw18870 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 20:02:10 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 20:02:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200211050102.gA512AK18866@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Defender Available in the US? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ran across it on EBAY, first I have ever heard of it... Brian On Monday, November 4, 2002, at 04:56 PM, Tim Boorman wrote: > > i was under the impression that it was too expensive to convert a > defender - > i.e. passenger side air bag etc, to bring it over here?? > > where did you hear about the Bellargio defender?? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Horner" > To: "Mendo Recce List" [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Nov 4 20:06:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA516OY18901 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 20:06:24 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 20:06:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200211050106.gA516Oc18897@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tim Boorman" To: Subject: Re: Defender Available in the US? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org me too, would like to know more though - what did you surch on ebay - do you have a link?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Horner" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 1:02 AM Subject: Re: Defender Available in the US? From bens Mon Nov 4 20:56:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA51ukV19175 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 20:56:46 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 20:56:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200211050156.gA51ukf19171@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Defender Available in the US? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The link was posted in Brians first email. The vehicle is in the UK. I don't see anywhere in the ebay or corp site that mentions shipping to the US, but I only read it quickly. Pete >>EBAY Auction >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1871850561 >> >> >>Main: >>www.racecar.co.uk/bellargio From bens Mon Nov 4 21:31:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA52VPB19398 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:31:25 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:31:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200211050231.gA52VPK19394@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Series bits 4 sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Further garage clean out stuff: 1) Two SIII 109 (or Salisbury) brake drums. $10 each. 2) One Land Rover Series Arm Rest. Foam is a bit chewed but the vinyl can be used as a replacement pattern. Pic Available. $10 Thanks, Joe Mulqueen SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From bens Mon Nov 4 21:50:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA52oYP19530 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:50:34 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:50:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200211050250.gA52oYm19526@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bruce Grove To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Defender Available in the US? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Indeed, the link says in Cambridgeshire and it mentions the buyer will pay the cost of shipping it internationally, I suspect the buyer might also want to check it's allowed into their country without getting stuck in customs keeping Mr Gates' Porsche 959 company. Bruce p.s. 200Bhp turbo diesel with 30(US) mpg, nice :-) Peter Hope wrote: > > The link was posted in Brians first email. > > The vehicle is in the UK. I don't see anywhere in the ebay or corp site > that mentions shipping to the US, but I only read it quickly. > Pete > > >>EBAY Auction > >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1871850561 [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- Bruce Grove Sun Microsystems Inc. Solaris Networking Technology 901 San Antonio Road, UMPK17-202 Tel: +1 (650) 786 5092 (x 85092) Palo Alto Fax: +1 (650) 786 5896 CA, 94303-4900, US From bens Mon Nov 4 22:24:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA53OpI19749 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:24:51 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:24:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200211050324.gA53Opw19745@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hannaford, Morgan" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Tranny Woes & Overdrive dies Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Regarding the $2800 tranny rebuild - if that includes remover&refit I don't think it is all that bad of a deal.....especially if the shop is not used to British cars or Land-Rovers. Removing all those dozens of screws and bolts to get the seatbox out and then bring the gearbox out the passenger door is a real pain. I would estimate 1 day work to remove and clean-up the gearbox. 1 day to rebuild it properly (probably 1+) and 1 day to reinstall. 3 days work + parts = add up the estimate. Some sort of warranty should be in order. Those IIA transmissions can take a LOT of abuse - without serious damage. I did inspect a gearbox at Scotty's once where the owner intentionally speed shifted into a lower gear - presumably to see if he could break it. Sure enough the 3rd/4th synchro was twisted like a pretzel - but the gears were fine. I know if I took my Rover into a local mechanic they would either refuse to work on it or charge me for the hassle. On another note my Fairey overdrive finally bit the dust (again). To its credit that unit is at least 11 years old, probably has 150K miles on it, and served as my commute/work vehicle and off-road recreation vehicle. Only once before did it die on me, the mainshaft splines wore down and stripped at the main output shaft. I replaced the output gear with a new one, and scavanged a used mainshaft out of another Fairey unit (which had inner spline wear). This time the circlip that hold the mainshaft and bearings in place shattered, and the inner splines stripped. Looks like I could just put another (new) mainshaft in an keep it running, but I hate the way a blown overdrive TOTALLY strands you (right in the middle of an intersection no less). I am now operating on the original gear/plate. I'm studying TerriAnne's website on the Ashcroft hi-range gearing and the new Roverdrive. Does anyone else have experience with the Roverdrive from BP? I am leaning towards the Ashcroft gearing as 55mph is getting tedious on I-5 in Redding and I like the simpler design. Too bad it doesn't offer a lower low range! -Mo From bens Mon Nov 4 22:44:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA53iga19848 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:44:42 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:44:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200211050344.gA53igo19844@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series bits 4 sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Joe, I will take the drums if still avail. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe mulqueen" To: "mendo" Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 6:31 PM Subject: Series bits 4 sale > > Further garage clean out stuff: > > 1) Two SIII 109 (or Salisbury) brake drums. $10 each. > 2) One Land Rover Series Arm Rest. Foam is a bit > chewed but the vinyl can be used as a replacement > pattern. Pic Available. $10 > > Thanks, [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Nov 4 23:05:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA5452q19958 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:05:02 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:05:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200211050405.gA5452E19954@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: Sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sounds like Carla Satra and Patricia Gibbons or some name very close to that. > I believe her name is Carla- I recall talking with her when I first began > the search for my Land Rover. Those other trucks house mobile > communications equipment, one of her hobbies. I met them at two or three of the lawn leaks, a few years back. Last time I talked to Carla, she showed me some gizmos that she had invented to ease the nasty job of replacing the rear main seal on the Series 4-cylinder engine. Although I'd done that job (or rather attempted to) I could not for the life of me understand how these things were supposed to work. Granny From bens Tue Nov 5 00:10:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA55A6O21200 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:10:06 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:10:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200211050510.gA55A5v21196@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series bits 4 sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Managed to pull a real dummy. Was going to bid a $100 on the Prop. shaft before I left this morning then decided I'd come home and bid late. Got involved in various projects and forgot about the auction till it was over. Should have put the bid in. Let me know if the guy falls through on the shaft, brake drums, or anything else for that matter. Gave your email address to a guy here who just blew his transmission. Couldn't remember whether you still had your transmission. He should have emailed you already about it. Aloha Peter O. --- Peter Hope wrote: > > Joe, > I will take the drums if still avail. > Pete > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "joe mulqueen" > To: "mendo" > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 6:31 PM > Subject: Series bits 4 sale [ 14 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From bens Tue Nov 5 00:47:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA55lK222169 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:47:20 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:47:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200211050547.gA55lJc22165@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: manuals/books for SIIA Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks TeriAnn. Charles _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From bens Tue Nov 5 01:36:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA56an022385 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 01:36:49 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 01:36:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200211050636.gA56anZ22381@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: manuals/books for SIIA Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I usually try to keep two manuals for everything: One for use while actually working on something - usually a Haynes manual, and the other is usually the factory manual, which is kept inside and on a shelf, and is ONLY used for studying something, and is kept clean. (since these are the expensive ones!) Only exceptions to these "rules", are some parts catalogues on microfiche that I have for SD1's, SIII Land Rovers (including optional/military equipment), and Minis - since these can only be viewed on a machine. Also, the SD1 manuals - they're NLA in any form, so they're guarded with my life. Charles - the other one ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Tue Nov 5 01:53:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA56rx422477 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 01:53:59 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 01:53:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200211050653.gA56rxb22473@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Osborne" To: Subject: crossflow q&a Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I remember reading about the "Davidson Crossflow" motor on the Aloha Rover site as an option that was investigated before the great diesel rebuild. So, I tracked down Davidson and have had a conversation with him about his motor. It seems pretty nice. It's a bored/stroked 2.5L GM motor taken to 3L, with a true crossflow head. He makes a great argument for it's use, as it doesn't require any mods to the frame, breakfast, tranny/t-case, OR motor mounts! You can even still use the 9.5" Rover clutch. Davidson convinced me of it's prowess in one phone call but, I'm curious if anybody else on the list has used or knows somebody with one of his motors. Any comments or testimonials would be greatly appreciated, as it's a hefty chunk 'o change to lay out for "only" a motor. J2. From bens Tue Nov 5 02:03:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA573kk22546 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 02:03:46 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 02:03:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200211050703.gA573kJ22542@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Osborne" To: Subject: RE: crossflow q&a Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 25 lines filtered. ] My mistake it's Davis, not Davidson. I guess I have motorcycles on the brain. J2. From bens Tue Nov 5 02:23:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA57NhT22637 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 02:23:43 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 02:23:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200211050723.gA57Nh722633@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: crossflow q&a Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Jason Osborne wrote: > So, I tracked down Davidson and have had a conversation > with him about his > motor. It seems pretty nice. It's a bored/stroked 2.5L > GM motor taken to > 3L, with a true crossflow head. He makes a great > argument for it's use, as > it doesn't require any mods to the frame, breakfast, > tranny/t-case, OR motor > mounts! You can even still use the 9.5" Rover clutch. [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] I think the east coast guys buy them, but out here we just et a scotty's adaptor and do it ourselves? ;-) Right Bob? Eric? > Any comments or testimonials would be greatly > appreciated, as it's a hefty > chunk 'o change to lay out for "only" a motor. Well, I have always thought he waaaaaaay overcharges for the motors, but than I like to do all my own work.(if I had that kind of $$, I'd have a 300tdi) Basicly all you need to do is strap on a s-10 cross-flow head on a mercruiser 140 instead of using the mercruisr 140 head like I am. My last mercruisre 140 was like that, but with a '79 monza head(not-cross-flow) if i remember right? or was it a pontiac? brain getting fuzzy.. You can save big $$ by doing it yourself. Has he changed his mind about selling part kits yet? or still insisting on a complete system? I have been hourding a set of mounts for mounting this engine onto the stock rover mounts that I had gotten from Scotty and had been thinking of making more sets some day......but need to re-gain my welding skills first(am just starting back on that) WQhat sort of a rush are you in to do this? Remember this is jusst taking the Scotty's conversion another step to use a more modern head. Ask him about this bore and stroke thing, I am curious....The mercruiser 140 is a 181ci which is basicly 3 litre...Only a complete idiot would bore/stroke a 153 chevy when it comes that way already as a 181(modifying it would cost waaay more than getting the 181 in the first place)...so he isn't really telling you the whole story here...he also told you that he designed/invented a "special cam" as well? I am curious about that one...been hearing about it, as if it's better than the mercruiser or just a simple rv grind on the 153/151 cam that is already in the books, but if it's better, I want one myself.....problem is last time I heard again he will only sell complete kits? or not? What is he doing for the bell-housing adaptor? Scotty retired and is no longer making them...(my last one is sitting in the garage with the engine mounts, marine flywheel, extra marine head and all for the next project....being guarded like gold) Paul (curious.......as ever....wait for mendo next year and have a look under Elgies hood, as long as something really bad doesn't happen to me, it'll be a bit different..that's all I'm agonna say for now..) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From bens Tue Nov 5 07:28:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA5CSOa24234 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 07:28:24 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 07:28:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200211051228.gA5CSNt24230@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Michael Samuels" To: Subject: tranny woes 2 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The story gets more details, they drove 60, 109 school bus back and forth until it locked up solid, then pulled the floor tranny top and fished in and found synchro parts all over, it still locked up they figure the 3-4 sychros locked with mixed stuff all over, the tranny is 950 and labor 20 hours which is 1400 clutch kit 240, tranny freight 95 so it comes to 2877. sooo, they seen to know what they are doing, they are not a rover shop but have done this before, what do you think?? I am trying to see in anyone else in north Florida can do this for less, but who knows, its there and they have already put 6 hours into tearing it down, Michael From bens Tue Nov 5 09:16:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA5EGL424820 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:16:21 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:16:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200211051416.gA5EGLx24816@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: tranny woes 2 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >The story gets more details, they drove 60, 109 school bus back and forth >until it locked up solid, then pulled the floor tranny top and fished in and >found synchro parts all over, it still locked up they figure the 3-4 sychros >locked with mixed stuff all over, the tranny is 950 and labor 20 hours which >is 1400 clutch kit 240, tranny freight 95 so it comes to 2877. sooo, they >seen to know what they are doing, they are not a rover shop but have done >this before, what do you think?? I am trying to see in anyone else in north >Florida can do this for less, but who knows, its there and they have already >put 6 hours into tearing it down, Michael Who's the guy in Jacksonville that imports all the rovers..? Tony Jackson? Check on LRX, he advertises quite a bit. Maybe you could get a complete box from him for less. RW -- Blaming Guns for Crime is Like Blaming Spoons for Rosie O'Donnell Being Fat From bens Tue Nov 5 09:33:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA5EXqI24924 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:33:52 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:33:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200211051433.gA5EXq824920@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: transplant surgury Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Speaking of gearboxes... Not sure if I mentioned this, BUT - was breezing through the Haynes manual for the SIII gearbox, and I think I've solved my mystery oil leak! Apparently, the SIII gearbox has a oil seal on the input shaft, ala MG/TR. My past experiences with these has proven that if this seal is in the least bit weak, it'll leak like crazy! Hmmmmm...wonder if the old pilot chaft bushing was a bit worn, causing the input shaft to wobble, causing the input shaft seal to tear (maybe I should have kept a IIA box in Gillian?)...............at any rate, I have all the parts to fix it now, including a rear upper door hinge for Russ - and the current LRM. Charles ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Tue Nov 5 09:43:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA5EhK625017 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:43:20 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:43:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200211051443.gA5EhKX25013@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: tranny woes 2 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The labor is high, but I guess their protecting themselves against not knowing what they're getting into. With a new (used) trans sitting there on the shop floor, I've done the R&R in about six hours, including floor panels and interior. Add maybe another hour to do the clutch (if it needs it), unless you're getting a full clutch job including facing the flywheel, then add another hour and $15 for the facing. All in all, there shouldn't be more than $500 labor in it. Of course if they're trying to recover six hours of diagnostic time that will boost the cost a little, provided that work was authorized beforehand. But the bottom line isn't what it SHOULD cost, but what you can get it done for, 2000 miles away and all. Maybe someone more familiar with the task at hand could have bid more accurately than they, but now that you're halfway down the road, there's probably no going back and best to see it through with them and put it behind you. I'm just curious, does anyone have a flat rate manual for a Land Rover? I know they used to be very common in gas stations and garages, and I have them for lots of cars I've owned, but not for the LR. -Dave G. From bens Tue Nov 5 09:48:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA5Emll25054 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:48:47 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:48:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200211051448.gA5Emlq25050@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: crossflow q&a Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yeah, what Paul said. Mercruiser or Pontiac 4 is a pretty clean install. Cheap cheap to refurb, or even as a new long block from Pep Boys (the Ponty anyway). Run like the dickens too, at least the one in Bill Rice's 109 sure did. I'm sure the Davis setup is a nice piece of work, but no need to get all exotic on a glorified tractor, IMHO. -Dave G. PS - Disclaimer! I'm only doing the Benz swap because the motor was FREE! From bens Tue Nov 5 09:50:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA5EodR25085 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:50:39 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:50:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200211051450.gA5Eodh25081@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: transplant surgury Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...including a rear upper door hinge for Russ - and the current LRM...." As long as you're working on Gillian, and not reading magazines, you'll be okay. :^))) Dave G. From bens Tue Nov 5 09:55:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA5Etbk25124 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:55:37 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:55:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200211051455.gA5EtbT25120@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series bits 4 sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Managed to pull a real dummy. Was going to bid a $100 > on the Prop. shaft before I left this morning then > decided I'd come home and bid late. Got involved in > various projects and forgot about the auction till it > was over. Should have put the bid in. Let me know if > the guy falls through on the shaft, brake drums, or > anything else for that matter. Pete, believe it or not everything went. I really didn't think that everything would go first time. And thanks to paypal, the $$$ is already arriving. > Gave your email address to a guy here who just blew > his transmission. Couldn't remember whether you still > had your transmission. He should have emailed you > already about it. Haven't heard from him yet. I did sell the tranny. Tranny and engine were easier to sell locally instead of worrying about shipping. Waiting for some stuff to get back from then galvanizers and then I will unload the last bunch of items. Pete From bens Tue Nov 5 12:37:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA5HbTR26473 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:37:29 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:37:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200211051737.gA5HbOK26469@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bruce Grove To: "mendo_recce@fourfold.org" Subject: 90000 miles, where to go... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi all, my 95 Disco is due for it's 90k service and is in need of a general health check due to me losing track of which noises are character and which are terminal (is it the heatshield or is it the gearbox this time, is that a new oil leak or is that one of the normal fourteen, I know it's not the alternator 'cos I just changed that and it's not even a Lucas...) Does anyone have any recommendations of places to take it somewhere in the vicinity of the Bay Area. Any help much appreciated, Cheers, Bruce -- Bruce Grove Sun Microsystems Inc. Solaris Networking Technology 901 San Antonio Road, UMPK17-202 Tel: +1 (650) 786 5092 (x 85092) Palo Alto Fax: +1 (650) 786 5896 CA, 94303-4900, US From bens Tue Nov 5 13:02:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA5I22B26688 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:02:02 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:02:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200211051802.gA5I22F26684@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: crossflow q&a Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org J2, Robert posted a list of his customers with their e-mail address on the RN website, as someone asked a similar question as you. The list was 15 or 20 people long. I have an early version of Roberts system...181 block and '79 Monza head, same side intake/exhaust. It's not quite as good as his latest development, due to the non-crossflow head. BUT, I had Gromm Racing build the head again with larger intakes. Also built to a higher standard than an off the shelf valve job you'll get at a run of the mill auto/machine shop. Gromm also corrected the push-rod geometry to get about .020" more lift from the cam, and used the proper size of the rocker washers...the ones that hold the rocker on the stem. The ones from "Acme Auto Parts and machine" were the wrong year. I believe the reason Robert now uses the new 2.5 engine and then bores it to 3 L. , is because there are no cross-flow heads that will fit a 181 block. Unless you do a set-up like Midget car racers and put a 327 head on it. Then you have push-rod geometry, lifters, correct cam, timing issues t figure out. Then you have the intake/exhaust slanted at an angle, so to get the carb to sit horizontal, you mount the engine like a slant-6 or fab a custom intake, and exhaust header. Hence the modified 2.5. Yeah, you can do-it-yourself an come up with an engine that runs, but only with lots of time and money will you be able to get all the bugs out. And, I think that is what Robert is selling...he's got the bugs out. Had I bit-the-bullet and bought his complete engine, I would have been driving my '62 many, many months ago and be way ahead in the $ dept. I did not verify that the block I originally bought was a 181, trusting to the seller. The block was a 151, and only discovered after it was installed and running, but poorly. The 151/153 engines are not strong enough for the Rover, unless you like the stock 2.25. The torque curve is up higher and not good for off-road work. Robert is manufacturing his own adapters now, with some improvements Scotty left out . eric >>> lonestarj@earthlink.net 11/04/02 10:53PM >>> I remember reading about the "Davidson Crossflow" motor on the Aloha Rover site as an option that was investigated before the great diesel rebuild. So, I tracked down Davidson and have had a conversation with him about his motor. It seems pretty nice. It's a bored/stroked 2.5L GM motor taken to 3L, with a true crossflow head. He makes a great argument for it's use, as it doesn't require any mods to the frame, breakfast, tranny/t-case, OR motor mounts! You can even still use the 9.5" Rover clutch. Davidson convinced me of it's prowess in one phone call but, I'm curious if anybody else on the list has used or knows somebody with one of his motors. Any comments or testimonials would be greatly appreciated, as it's a hefty chunk 'o change to lay out for "only" a motor. J2. From bens Tue Nov 5 13:05:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA5I5Ea26711 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:05:14 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:05:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200211051805.gA5I5ED26707@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: 90000 miles, where to go... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Exclusive British in Campbell, but, like all the other shops in the Bay Area, they are around $100/hr. $20 cheaper than the dealer. :) How about that guy on San Antonio, on the left before the Toyota dealer...if he can work on Alfa's.... eric >>> bruce.grove@eng.sun.com 11/05/02 09:37AM >>> Hi all, my 95 Disco is due for it's 90k service and is in need of a general health check due to me losing track of which noises are character and which are terminal (is it the heatshield or is it the gearbox this time, is that a new oil leak or is that one of the normal fourteen, I know it's not the alternator 'cos I just changed that and it's not even a Lucas...) Does anyone have any recommendations of places to take it somewhere in the vicinity of the Bay Area. Any help much appreciated, Cheers, Bruce -- Bruce Grove Sun Microsystems Inc. Solaris Networking Technology 901 San Antonio Road, UMPK17-202 Tel: +1 (650) 786 5092 (x 85092) Palo Alto Fax: +1 (650) 786 5896 CA, 94303-4900, US From bens Tue Nov 5 13:30:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA5IUwp26927 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:30:58 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:30:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200211051830.gA5IUw626923@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: crossflow q&a Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200211051802.gA5I22F26684@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: Are y'all talking about the Robert Davis Mercuiser/Iron Duke conversion? A 3.0L 4 banger? It is a cross flow engine that uses a Scotty type adaptor if I recall correctly. Or is this "Robert Davison" conversion yet another engine with a similar name? If it is the former, then I know of a LRO that is quite happy with the original prototype of this engine. So much so that he convined two LRO friends of mine to take a crowbar to their wallets and buy one. I picked up the engines at the Mid-Atlantic rally last month with the 101 and got them as far as NJ. One has been picked up and the other is sitting in my garage awaiting transport to it's final destination (or the LR coming down for the swap and to Exxon Valdez my driveway). No this engine isn't for Dora. But that is a tempting idea. Pity that the adapator wasn't left with me. Curse him! ;-) Ben > >>> lonestarj@earthlink.net 11/04/02 10:53PM >>> > I remember reading about the "Davidson Crossflow" motor on the Aloha > Rover site as an option that was investigated before the great diesel > rebuild. From bens Tue Nov 5 13:45:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA5IjEH27065 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:45:14 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:45:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200211051845.gA5Ij9x27058@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bruce Grove To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 90000 miles, where to go... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yup, I figured on the cost, but I'd like to put this in for a big preventative check before winter hits, this Disco has seen a lot of abuse in it's life (although always well cared for) and whilst I'm not bad at taking things apart and putting them back together I'm not so good at the spotting what's about to go with an expensive bang (although I now know all the symptoms of a dying Disco alternator, and I'm pretty sharp on air cooled beetles :-) Cheers, Bruce Eric Johnson wrote: > > Exclusive British in Campbell, but, like all the other shops in the Bay > Area, they are around $100/hr. $20 cheaper than the dealer. :) > How about that guy on San Antonio, on the left before the Toyota > dealer...if he can work on Alfa's.... > > eric > > >>> bruce.grove@eng.sun.com 11/05/02 09:37AM >>> [ 24 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- Bruce Grove Sun Microsystems Inc. Solaris Networking Technology 901 San Antonio Road, UMPK17-202 Tel: +1 (650) 786 5092 (x 85092) Palo Alto Fax: +1 (650) 786 5896 CA, 94303-4900, US From bens Tue Nov 5 13:52:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA5IqFw27173 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:52:15 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:52:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200211051852.gA5IqF927169@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Nancy Hart To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: my lil' d90 is getting an upgrade Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org OK- so I'm finally taking the plunge after ownership for five years.... Next week I have to be in lalaland (aka Beverly Hills) for a week on business so I'm going to get some items added to my d90 from Rover Accessories there in Torrence. While I'm there I'll be getting to work via bicycle which should be an interesting adventure also. It was one of those things where getting a rack meant deciding to get one that will handle a tent and getting the tent with the front ladder meant getting the bumper and bar, which meant deciding once and for all about getting a winch, which meant suspension.... -Hannibal roof rack, ladder, and jerry can mount -Hannibal roof tent and ladder (more than a place to sleep, it's a kid's portable amusement park - they can come up the back ladder, crawl through the tent, and back down the front ladder.. ) -bumper and A-frame bar -ARB suspension all around and wahoo, -an 8274 Warn winch here's a pic of the Hannibal tent: http://www.roveraccessories.com/han_tentd905_L.jpg -nancy nancyehart@mac.com '97 blued90 #0047 From bens Tue Nov 5 13:55:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA5It3F27216 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:55:03 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:55:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200211051855.gA5It2q27212@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: manuals/books for SIIA Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles- Thanks for your suggestion. I'd probably have greased the factory manuals if you didn't tell me. So it sounds like Hayes manual is something to get started, too. But I am wondering what the difference between Hayes and Owner's manual is. Thanks again. Charles P. >From: Charles R Irvin >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: manuals/books for SIIA >Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 01:36:49 -0500 > >I usually try to keep two manuals for everything: > >One for use while actually working on something - usually a Haynes [ 17 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp From bens Tue Nov 5 14:49:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA5JnWS27649 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:49:32 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:49:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200211051949.gA5JnVx27645@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Machining Heads on a 3.9 for Composite Gasket Question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'd like to use composite gaskets on my '90 3.9 rebuild but, I've read their use will drop compression from .5 to 1 point. Stock compression is already a whopping 8.13, so losing a point doesn't seem an acceptable trade-off. Shaving the heads can bring the comp. ratio back. But how much to remove? Anyone know or know someone who knows? Thanks, eric From bens Tue Nov 5 14:55:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA5JtMg27721 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:55:22 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:55:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200211051955.gA5JtMO27717@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 90000 miles, where to go... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Philippe at Roverland has always done very well for me. He has tons of experience with Rovers and I've always felt he's been very honest with me when I've asked him the big "find all things wrong and tell me what I should fix" type questions. He's in San Francisco, but on the southern edge of the city so it's not too horrible if you're in the south bay. His number is (415) 648-0885. Shannon > Does anyone have any recommendations of places to take it somewhere > in the vicinity of the Bay Area. From bens Tue Nov 5 16:06:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA5L68T28175 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:06:08 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:06:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200211052106.gA5L68t28171@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Machining Heads on a 3.9 for Composite Gasket Question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I don't know how much to shave off, but I believe the other thing you want to do is properly texture the head for the composite gasket (can't tell you what would be proper either!). Shannon On Tuesday, November 5, 2002, at 11:49 AM, Eric Johnson wrote: > > > I'd like to use composite gaskets on my '90 3.9 rebuild but, I've read > their use will drop compression from .5 to 1 point. Stock compression is > already a whopping 8.13, so losing a point doesn't seem an acceptable > trade-off. > > Shaving the heads can bring the comp. ratio back. But how much to > remove? [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Nov 5 16:32:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA5LW4l28372 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:32:04 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:32:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200211052132.gA5LW4128368@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: manuals/books for SIIA Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, the owner's handbook pretty much gives you all the routine maintenance info for the truck - it doesn't tell you how to replace a gearbox/etc. as the workshop manuals will, but it's still a wealth of info to have. Problem is, if you don't have one, you may have LOTS of trouble finding one, because all the older owners' handbooks are out of print. As for the shop manuals, the Haynes usually runs anywhere from $15.00-40.00 depending on where you find it, while the factory shop manuals run @ $85.00-90.00. I have a late '89 Rangie, and as a result, the shop manual info is spread between two factory manuals (ie: cruise control info is in the '90-onwards manual, but not in the upto'89 manual), and so I ended up having to buy both. (see above prices...) Charles On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:55:02 -0500 "charles chuan-chen phu" writes: > > Charles- > > Thanks for your suggestion. I'd probably have greased the factory > manuals if > you didn't tell me. > > So it sounds like Hayes manual is something to get started, too. But > I am [ 26 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Tue Nov 5 16:32:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA5LW5d28379 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:32:05 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:32:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200211052132.gA5LW4f28375@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Machining Heads on a 3.9 for Composite Gasket Question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:06:08 -0500 Shannon Holland writes: > > I don't know how much to shave off, but I believe the other thing > you > want to do is properly texture the head for the composite gasket ???????? It's been a few years, but I don't recall off the top of my head, of putting ANYTHING on the composite gaskets! I had overheated my engine due to a blown steel head gasket, and so I figured it would be a good thing to go ahead and have both heads surfaced. I'm not sure how much was removed, but they both needed it. In my Rangie (3.9 engine), I'm running the new composite gaskets with the replacement bolt set and revised torque settings, and after a few hundred or so trips to Visalia and back in varying weather, no problems at all. I'm retaining the steel gaskets in the SD1 because I understand that with the 3.5 you would lose compression. Charles ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Tue Nov 5 17:02:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA5M2qw28680 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:02:52 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:02:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200211052202.gA5M2qV28676@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Machining Heads on a 3.9 for Composite Gasket Question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org What year is your 3.9? >>> cirvin1258@juno.com 11/05/02 01:32PM >>> On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:06:08 -0500 Shannon Holland writes: > > I don't know how much to shave off, but I believe the other thing > you > want to do is properly texture the head for the composite gasket ???????? It's been a few years, but I don't recall off the top of my head, of putting ANYTHING on the composite gaskets! I had overheated my engine due to a blown steel head gasket, and so I figured it would be a good thing to go ahead and have both heads surfaced. I'm not sure how much was removed, but they both needed it. In my Rangie (3.9 engine), I'm running the new composite gaskets with the replacement bolt set and revised torque settings, and after a few hundred or so trips to Visalia and back in varying weather, no problems at all. I'm retaining the steel gaskets in the SD1 because I understand that with the 3.5 you would lose compression. Charles ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Tue Nov 5 17:36:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA5Madn29040 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:36:39 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:36:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200211052236.gA5MacP29036@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: manuals/books for SIIA Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Tuesday, November 5, 2002, at 10:55 AM, charles chuan-chen phu wrote: > > Charles- > > Thanks for your suggestion. I'd probably have greased the factory > manuals if > you didn't tell me. > > So it sounds like Hayes manual is something to get started, too. But I > am [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] The hayes manual tries to be like an abridged shop manual (leaving a lot of stuff out and using standardized boiler plate wherever possible). It and the factory shop manual doesn't have a lot of the stuff in the owner's manual. I do not consider the Hayes manual to be a decent substitute for the real thing. Trust me on this, unless you need to rip into the guts right away then the owners manual is the one you want first. Then again some of us wipe our hands before refering to the manual and don't mind a little grease "character". TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Tue Nov 5 19:52:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA60qWF29871 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:52:32 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:52:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200211060052.gA60qWY29867@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Machining Heads on a 3.9 for Composite Gasket Question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have a '89, with about 193,000 miles on it. Still purrs like a kitten. Charles On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:02:52 -0500 "Eric Johnson" writes: > > What year is your 3.9? ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Tue Nov 5 23:56:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA64uwF31218 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 23:56:58 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 23:56:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200211060456.gA64uwB31214@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Rover Storage Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A friend of mine is looking for a place to store a ~1990 110 TurboDiesel. He's about to depart on a long sailing trip (circumnavigation), so this is likely to be a long storage. Does anyone know of a cheap way to do this? C From bens Wed Nov 6 00:23:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA65NE832605 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 00:23:14 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 00:23:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200211060523.gA65NDN32601@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 90000 miles, where to go... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bruce, > Subject: 90000 miles, where to go... > Does anyone have any recommendations of places to take it somewhere > in the vicinity of the Bay Area Exclusively British European in Campbell has been very good to our 1997 Discovery XD. They can fix it all, both John's are really nice, no attitude, work with me on everything and we've always been happy. I had a bunch of trouble at LRSJ and Nick Baggarly recommended them to me. http://www.ebemotors.com/ 408-379-0131 Cheers, Keith & Pam Shukait Northern California Rover Club Mendo-Reece List Digest Version Dormobile Owner Register 1997 Land Rover Discovery XD "YLLWJKT" 1969 Land Rover Series IIA ExMoD 109 Regular "Millie" 1967 Land Rover Series IIA NADA 6 Cylinder Dormobile "Indiana" From bens Wed Nov 6 01:03:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA663Op00477 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 01:03:24 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 01:03:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200211060603.gA663NS00473@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: NCRC club meeting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If anyone wants, I'll be bringing some extra brochures I picked up at the Land Rover factory in Solihull. Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From bens Wed Nov 6 01:10:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA66AMA00525 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 01:10:22 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 01:10:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200211060610.gA66AM000521@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: Robert Davis Conversion Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Regarding the Davis conversion- I've never heard a bad word about it. Lots of folks tend to raise an eyebrow over the price, and I don't doubt that you could do it cheaper on your own. But at least for me, it's a matter of what my time is worth. Davis' motor is a straight drop-in, you don't have to deal with research, collecting parts, paying the machine shop, fabricating mounts, all the stuff that keep most of us from doing such conversions. If I do convert, it will probably be the Davis conversion. Mo --------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance 1st month Free! Sign up today at: www.netzerolongdistance.com From bens Wed Nov 6 01:16:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA66GRL00563 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 01:16:27 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 01:16:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200211060616.gA66GQO00559@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Robert Davis Conversion Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Regarding the Davis conversion- I've never heard a bad word about it. >Lots of folks tend to raise an eyebrow over the price, and I don't doubt >that you could do it cheaper on your own. But at least for me, it's a matter >of what my time is worth. Davis' motor is a straight drop-in, you don't have >to >deal with research, collecting parts, paying the machine shop, fabricating >mounts, >all the stuff that keep most of us from doing such conversions. If I do >convert, it will probably be the Davis conversion. Mo, You're my hero. RW -- Blaming Guns for Crime is Like Blaming Spoons for Rosie O'Donnell Being Fat From bens Wed Nov 6 02:04:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA674ft00802 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 02:04:41 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 02:04:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200211060704.gA674eZ00798@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Rover Storage Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Gosh...........golly............wow.....................Hmmmmmmmmmm: I can't guarantee anything, BUT......if I were moving onto a 20-acre ranch near Visalia in the next few months, I'd offer a space - but I'm not sure what's going to happen yet. Besides, the cost would be too high - leaving the keys with me, in case I had to move it across town, or something, someplace,... :) Charles On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 23:56:58 -0500 Christopher Dow writes: > > A friend of mine is looking for a place to store a ~1990 110 > TurboDiesel. He's about to depart on a long sailing trip > (circumnavigation), so this is likely to be a long storage. Does > anyone > know of a cheap way to do this? > > C > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Wed Nov 6 09:09:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6E9SA03290 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:09:28 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:09:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200211061409.gA6E9Rl03286@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: FW: 1956 Series 1 86" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 16 lines filtered. ] Anyone have an answer to Channons query? I don't know if they are subscribed, so make sure you reply direct. -Rob From bens Wed Nov 6 09:16:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6EGBl03339 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:16:11 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:16:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200211061416.gA6EGB003335@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: FW: 1956 Series 1 86" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ben's software got me. Here's the forward. I have the above, originally shipped to Rootes, U.S., and originally registered in California in 1957, probably as a new vehicle. (Yes, black plates with yellow letters and numbers). Can you tell me what the rear lighting was like? From Original Series 1 I know that the regular lighting was switched out, and the holes were covered by diamond shaped plates rivetted on. I have the rivetted on plates, but what was the lighting that replaced the English version? Thanks From bens Wed Nov 6 09:51:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6EpoJ03546 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:51:50 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:51:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200211061451.gA6EpoU03542@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Machining Heads on a 3.9 for Composite Gasket Question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...Still purrs like a kitten...." Well, NOW it purrs like a kitten. "Still" implies 'twer always so. :^))) -Dave G. From bens Wed Nov 6 10:15:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6FFBM03732 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:15:11 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:15:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200211061515.gA6FFBV03728@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Nancy Hart To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Mojave with Kids? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Is anyone going to be going on the Mojave trip with kids? I am considering bringing along my 8 year old (boy) and ten year old (girl)... although I am already hearing the whine of "this will be boring" Jeremy, I thought I'd try a trial run of taking them on the wander-around you have going this month if you think that's a low key kind of trip? -nancy nancyehart@mac.com '97 blued90 #0047 From bens Wed Nov 6 10:24:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6FOWP03791 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:24:32 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:24:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200211061524.gA6FOWd03787@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tim Boorman" To: Subject: Re: Rover Storage Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org if i were him i'd try to find a good friend with a bit of land or even better a barn and store it at there place - they could then periodically give the vehicle a drive to keep everything oiled and working properly. i've got my truck stored up back home in my uncles barn - good coz its out of all the bloody rain but also theres good airflow so dampness doesn't settle, my dad or uncle give the truck a run once or twice a month whilst i'm out here. i'd much rather have them put some miles on the truck, rather than come home and have to start releasing break discs etc!!!!!!!!! also a dam sight cheaper than storage? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Dow" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 4:56 AM Subject: Rover Storage From bens Wed Nov 6 10:33:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6FX2g03870 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:33:02 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:33:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200211061533.gA6FX2o03866@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: FW: 1956 Series 1 86" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If I am reading the post correct, he is referring to the rear license plate which was moved to the middle of the tailgate. If he's in the Bay Arera he can come by and take a look at mine or join the S1 list (he should anyway if he has a S1) and look at the photos on Jeremy Brook site. Frank ------------------------------------- Kerner, Rob wrote: >... but what was the >lighting that replaced the English version? > From bens Wed Nov 6 10:35:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6FZUh03903 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:35:30 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:35:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200211061535.gA6FZTQ03899@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mojave with Kids? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, we WERE going to be bringing Wyatt along. He'll be about 19 mo. by then. But now it's looking like we might have some other travel required in that timeframe that will probably keep us from making it. We'll see, but there are clouds gathering on the horizon. :^( -Dave G. From bens Wed Nov 6 10:53:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6FrWJ04067 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:53:32 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:53:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200211061553.gA6FrWD04063@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Joshua Sosbee To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: EBAY Auction Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Not a very Land Rover looking D90? Looks more like a Lincoln towncar! with 4wd. Don't think I'm going to bid on this one.... p.s. 200Bhp turbo diesel with 30(US) mpg, nice :-) That is nice, however.....30mpg. hmmmmm On Tuesday, November 5, 2002, at 08:57 PM, Mendo_Recce digest: wrote: > > Mendo_Recce digest: Tuesday, November 5 2002 Volume 02 : Number > 891 [3120 lines trimmed] From bens Wed Nov 6 10:58:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6FwI404120 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:58:18 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:58:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200211061558.gA6FwHv04116@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mojave with Kids? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org :Is anyone going to be going on the Mojave trip with kids? I am :considering bringing along my 8 year old (boy) and ten year old :(girl)... although I am already hearing the whine of "this will be :boring" Don't worry about kids... we're a fairly tame and housebroken group... for the most part. Sandy and I will be there and we'll probably have a beagle along. Sandy *loves* kids also. Not sure if others have kids but it's no problem. Something that might make the trip more enjoyable: I know that some of us tend to build a nice nest in our LR's to be more comfortable. If you'd consider doing some passenger swapping, you'll get to know others in a hurry! It'll also let your significant others ride in something else and who knows, that might be good for a future purchase... or not. :-) Cheers, Gerry PHX AZ From bens Wed Nov 6 11:20:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6GKYr04273 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:20:34 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:20:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200211061620.gA6GKYw04269@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: FW: Head lamps Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Does this make sense to anyone? This is a response from Painless about brighter bulbs. I'm sorry, but we do not advise on aftermarket headlights. All of our kits are designed for stock headlight bulbs. We have found that the high watt bulbs are too much for the terminals in the headlight pigtail. We have not found a cure for this problem. The wiring is not the problem, it is the metal terminal inside the plug will not handle the amps for the high watt bulbs. Joe "Kerner, Rob" wrote: > I rewired my truck with part #10107 . > > What is the brightest bulb I can put in without having to add extra > relays? > > 55/100? > > -Rob From bens Wed Nov 6 11:24:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6GO8604293 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:24:08 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:24:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200211061624.gA6GO8104289@minbar.fourfold.org> From: jarrodwyrick@mac.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave with Kids? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I am sure this has come around a few times, but could someone post the event plans once again. I must have trashed them. Thanks, Jarrod 00' Disco II On Wednesday, November 6, 2002, at 07:15 AM, Nancy Hart wrote: > > Is anyone going to be going on the Mojave trip with kids? I am > considering bringing along my 8 year old (boy) and ten year old > (girl)... although I am already hearing the whine of "this will be > boring" > > Jeremy, I thought I'd try a trial run of taking them on the > wander-around you have going this month if you think that's a low key > kind of trip? [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Nov 6 11:24:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6GONO04307 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:24:23 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:24:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200211061624.gA6GOMH04303@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: FW: 1956 Series 1 86" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Rob, There's no way to contact the sender from what you sent. He can join the series one list: (you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: subscribe series1 And the series one garage has a wealth of pictures and info: http://groups.msn.com/TheSeriesOneGarage/_homepage.msnw?pgmarket=en-us AND to see pictures of our (bobandsue's) 51-80" at the series one garage: http://communities.msn.com/TheSeriesOneGarage/bobbs5180axl.msnw Cheers, Bob B At 06:16 AM 11/6/2002, you wrote: >Ben's software got me. Here's the forward. > >I have the above, originally shipped to Rootes, U.S., and originally >registered in California in 1957, probably as a new vehicle. (Yes, >black plates with yellow letters and numbers). Can you tell me what the >rear lighting was like? From Original Series 1 I know that the regular >lighting was switched out, and the holes were covered by diamond shaped >plates rivetted on. I have the rivetted on plates, but what was the >lighting that replaced the English version? [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Nov 6 11:32:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6GWdv04403 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:32:39 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:32:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200211061632.gA6GWcq04399@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: FW: Head lamps Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, If the wiring can handle it then I would replace the plugs with better (heavy duty from NAPA or somewhere). Then the relay would still be a good idea to protect the switch. Bob B At 08:20 AM 11/6/2002, you wrote: >Does this make sense to anyone? This is a response from Painless about >brighter bulbs. > > >I'm sorry, but we do not advise on aftermarket headlights. All of our >kits are designed for stock headlight bulbs. We have found that the high >watt bulbs are too much for the terminals in the headlight pigtail. We >have not found a cure for this problem. The wiring is not the problem, >it is the metal terminal inside the plug will not handle the amps for [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Nov 6 11:33:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6GXul04443 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:33:56 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:33:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200211061633.gA6GXuQ04439@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mojave with Kids? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org No worries...here the note sent out several weeks ago: ************************************************************************* OK. Hearing no objections, it appears that we have a plan for the Annual Mojave Not-A-Trip to depart where the Mojave Road crosses the Needles Highway on Monday, Dec. 30th at 9 AM. >From Needles: Start on West Broadway on the bridge over I-40 at the west end of Needles and head north towards Laughlin Nevada on the Needles Highway. Watch for the Nevada stateline..about 13 miles distant. After you cross the stateline, go another 0.7 miles into a low washy area where the Mojave Road crosses the highway. Watch your back as you slow down to turn left onto the Mojave Road. We've seen close calls from other drivers looking at us without realizing the LR in front of them is slowing to turn off. Basics: you'll need fuel for about 200 miles of driving. The trail is only about 125 so the rest is for your safety margin. An 88" with dual tanks will have no problems. A Discovery and RR can make it easily on one full tank. There's no water, no fuel and no food on the trail. Bring what you need for at least three full days. If the group continues past the Mojave, there are opportunities to stop for fresh supplies as you come off the trail. Bring stickers for the mailbox on the trail. Bring wood. The first night's elevation is generally much higher than the second night and it will be cold. As you firm up your plans, post them on the Mendo and AZLRO so others can hook up with you on the way over. Others like to camp and the Mojave Road offers lots of excellent choices within a few miles of the trail for Sunday night. If you want a guidebook, go to http://www.mdhca.org/mdhcamrguide.html and order a copy. Quite handy and it'll really get you excited about the trip. There are quite a few hams in the Mendo and in the AZLRO. Bring your VHF/UHF with you. I don't recall what the *official* Mendo frequency...can someone please post that? VHF right? CB will be the second choice I assume...maybe bring a FRS if you have one. What did I forget to mention? This is a g-r-e-a-t trip. Low in intensity but high in friendships. It's the perfect way to end an old year and start a new one. Cheers, Gerry PHX AZ :I am sure this has come around a few times, but could someone post the :event plans once again. I must have trashed them. From bens Wed Nov 6 11:35:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6GZc304500 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:35:38 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:35:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200211061635.gA6GZcl04496@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: FW: 1956 Series 1 86" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry, that was in the first post that got stripped. Channon G Coats [chancy49@juno.com] > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob & Sue Bernard [mailto:bobnsueb@saber.net] > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:24 AM > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: Re: FW: 1956 Series 1 86" > > > > Hi Rob, [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _homepage.msnw?pgmarket=en-us > > AND to see pictures of our (bobandsue's) 51-80" at the series > one garage: > http://communities.msn.com/TheSeriesOneGarage/bobbs5180axl.msn w Cheers, Bob B At 06:16 AM 11/6/2002, you wrote: >Ben's software got me. Here's the forward. > >I have the above, originally shipped to Rootes, U.S., and originally >registered in California in 1957, probably as a new vehicle. (Yes, >black plates with yellow letters and numbers). Can you tell me what the >rear lighting was like? From Original Series 1 I know that the regular >lighting was switched out, and the holes were covered by diamond shaped >plates rivetted on. I have the rivetted on plates, but what was the >lighting that replaced the English version? [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Nov 6 11:37:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6Gb6G04519 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:37:06 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:37:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200211061637.gA6Gb6304515@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Head lamps Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...This is a response from Painless about brighter bulbs...." I've run my Painless kits with 80/100 bulbs for about 5 years now with no visible signs of problems with the connectors. I pack the sockets with silicone, and probably check them once a year. That said, I know it was SOMEONE on the Mendo list who sent out a note one time about finding beefier terminals. I THINK I captured it in the D-90.com FAQ, but I'm not certain...... Yes, it was Joe Mulqueen. Look under http://www.d-90.com/faq/index.html Under lighting snd wiring, click the headlamp icon and from there, select the wiring upgrades section. It's about the 4th post under there. Part numbers for better Cole Hersey connectors. Better yet, excerpt below -Dave G. From: joe mulqueen[SMTP:joemulqueen@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2000 1:39 AM Subject: Heavy-duty headlight connectors! I finally got my hands on some Cole Hersee brand headlight connectors. P/N 3028-02 includes a phenolic like plastic connector which is superior to any I've seen. The metal contacts come loose in the box and you can easily attach 'em to 12 (or even 10!) gage wire. They need to be soldered though, they won't take to crimping. JoeMulqueen '67 SIIA (with 12G headlight wires) NOTE: Joe is refering to a conclusion to his quest for heavier duty headlight connectors. He was long frustrated by the fact that he'd upgraded his wiring harness for higher wattage lamps, but couldn't find any headlight connectors (3-pin style) other than parts store pre-fabbed pigtails which used smaller wire than he wanted. - ed. Joe later added: .......These are the contacts Cole Hersee provided. If I recall correctly, Express Truck Parts was very interested in ordering them for me. It just so happened, my local store came through with the goods. JoeM UNIVERSAL FLEET, FREMONT, CA TEL 510-657-2557 JEEPSTER MAN, HOWELL, NJ TEL 732-458-3966 TERMINAL SUPPLY, TROY, MI TEL 248-362-0792 THE LIGHTHOUSE, LOS ANGELES, CA [FOR BOTH] 213-749-5031 INSTRUMENT SALES & SERVICE, PORTLAND, OR [FOR 3028-2] 800-442-0863 EXT 310 EXPRESS TRUCK PARTS, SAN JOSE, CA TEL: (408)288-5410 From bens Wed Nov 6 11:38:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6Gc8c04534 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:38:08 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:38:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200211061638.gA6Gc8x04530@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: Re:headlamps Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Here is Painless response. I understand the relays bring more power, but that is not the problem. The problem is the plug to the headlight bulbs. The metal terminals get red hot and melt the plastic. It doesn't matter if you have a relay or not. All that does is bring power from the battery instead of through the headlight switch. We have a headlight relay kit, but that still doesn't increase the terminal rating in a headlight plug. We have even had people try soldering to the headlight bulb and it would melt the solder. Until we find a cure that is reliable, we are going to stay away from aftermarket headlights. Joe From bens Wed Nov 6 11:41:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6Gfwx04565 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:41:58 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:41:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200211061641.gA6Gfv604561@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: Series heater core Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Why is the series Heater core and case so expensive? >From Roversdownsouth $995 >From Roversnorth $995 Regents' heater core box had mucho rust, and about 4 years ago I fiberglassed it back together. I figured one day I'd fix it. I expect the core itself to go bad on me soon since it is winter now, only because it has never been changed as far as I know. Well not at those prices. Any good aftermarket replacements. -Rob From bens Wed Nov 6 11:46:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6GkXi04601 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:46:33 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:46:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200211061646.gA6GkWT04597@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: Subject: New email address for Jon Turner - j.turner@ieee.org Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 26 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" After this Friday, November 8, I will no longer be reachable at this email address. My new email address is j.turner@ieee.org, please make a note of the changes. Thanks! Jon Turner From bens Wed Nov 6 11:53:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6GrrQ04670 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:53:53 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:53:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200211061653.gA6GrrG04665@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: headlamps Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...We have even had people try soldering to the headlight bulb and it would melt the solder..." Okay, now that's just silly. Unless maybe it's some moron making a cold solder joint from a corroded wire to a corroded terminal. It's all about current. A 130 watt bulb will be drawing 10 amps. If the terminals and wiring are properly rated for 15-20 amps, there will never be a problem provided you properly maintain the connections to prevent corrosion from raising the rated resistance of the connector system. These guys at painless are listening to their lawyers. That's okay for them. But we can also take a rational, physics-based approach. -Dave G. From bens Wed Nov 6 11:57:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6GvgY04730 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:57:42 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:57:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200211061657.gA6Gvgp04726@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: headlamps Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org That's what I thought. I am going to put in some 55/100 bulbs and see what I can melt. -Rob From bens Wed Nov 6 12:29:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6HT2204988 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:29:02 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:29:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200211061729.gA6HT2504984@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Machining Heads on a 3.9 for Composite Gasket Question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I didn't personally do the gasket change on the 110 (it was done at Roverland) so I could quite possibly be high! I know that the heads were shaved to both correct the warping from the overheat and to correct the compression change. As far as any texturing/surfacing goes - I thought I remembered that from a post to this list a year or so back? I thought I remembered that something had to be done to the surface of the heads to provide a better fit to the gasket... Shannon On Tuesday, November 5, 2002, at 02:02 PM, Eric Johnson wrote: > ???????? > > It's been a few years, but I don't recall off the top of my head, of > putting ANYTHING on the composite gaskets! I had overheated my engine > due > to a blown steel head gasket, and so I figured it would be a good > thing > to go ahead and have both heads surfaced. I'm not sure how much was > removed, but they both needed it. From bens Wed Nov 6 12:34:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6HY3i05033 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:34:03 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:34:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200211061734.gA6HY3305029@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: headlamps Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org That seems bizarre to me! Perhaps the headlight connects were really poorly made and weren't rated for 10 amps? Or there was a poor connection between the connector/headlight which due to higher resistance would heat up under the higher current (seems the most likely thing to me). If the soldered connection is getting hot enough to melt solder then something is definitely wrong (as in someone probably did something very wrong)! Shannon On Wednesday, November 6, 2002, at 08:38 AM, Kerner, Rob wrote: > I understand the relays bring more power, but that is not the problem. > The problem is the plug to the headlight bulbs. The metal terminals get > red hot and melt the plastic. It doesn't matter if you have a relay or > not. All that does is bring power from the battery instead of through > the headlight switch. We have a headlight relay kit, but that still > doesn't increase the terminal rating in a headlight plug. We have even > had people try soldering to the headlight bulb and it would melt the > solder. Until we find a cure that is reliable, we are going to stay away > from aftermarket headlights. Joe From bens Wed Nov 6 12:48:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6HmKD05116 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:48:20 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:48:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200211061748.gA6HmKL05112@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave with Kids? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org We are leaving our not quite 2 year old with Grandma. It won't be any fun for her being cooped up in the car all day. From bens Wed Nov 6 13:22:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6IM3705396 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:22:03 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:22:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200211061822.gA6IM3105391@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: paint gun Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bob and others, some one had mentioned getting a paint gun to use with their compressor and were happy with it. Although I had saved the message from couple of years ago, a recent meltdown, did away with all my archive. So can someone recommend a paint gun to use with an air compressor. Brand, type, spray size, etc... Thanks in advance. Mehdi From bens Wed Nov 6 13:27:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6IRJ705429 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:27:19 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:27:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200211061827.gA6IRJf05425@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: paint gun Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mehdi what do you want to paint. I have HVLP gun that I got from Hfreight for around $100 but it has yet to be used. I was going to use it to paint the house, but as John pointed out HVLP can't quite push Latex. -Rob From bens Wed Nov 6 13:34:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6IYPB05515 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:34:25 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:34:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200211061834.gA6IYPH05511@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Machining Heads on a 3.9 for Composite Gasket Question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Shannon, most composite-type gaskets don't require anything at all, prior to fitting. However, some of the earlier composite gaskets suggested the use of some kind of sealant: this was interesting though, because some earlier composite gaskets had a sort of laminated surface, that kind of glued itself onto the block once the engine was run (like MGB head gaskets). Older cars, such as TR2-4's, MGA's, and T-Series MG's (and the typical, naturally-aspirated diesel Land Rover), had a pretty thick copper head gasket, and these were real character builders! I called them "pot luck gaskets", because sometimes they'd seal after first fitting, sometimes you needed to re-torque them once, other times you had to re-torque them a dezen times before they'd seal completely. But once they sealed, they were very solid, and it was a good idea to use "Copper Coat" or the like on them, as is the case with the steel head gaskets on the 3.5/3.9 Rover engines. Though, the only preperation I'd ever heard of for cylinder heads, was to make sure they were surgically clean on the mating surface, and that this surface was perfectly flat. (you have some leeway with the copper head gaskets here...) With that, it's time to finish "Operation Poppyfield"... Charles On Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:29:02 -0500 Shannon Holland writes: > > I didn't personally do the gasket change on the 110 (it was done at > Roverland) so I could quite possibly be high! I know that the heads > were > shaved to both correct the warping from the overheat and to correct > the > compression change. As far as any texturing/surfacing goes - I > thought I > remembered that from a post to this list a year or so back? I [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Wed Nov 6 13:39:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6IdSk05559 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:39:28 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:39:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200211061839.gA6IdSb05555@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: paint gun Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've never tried a HVLP gun: I have a cheapie old-fashioned siphon gun that I bought from Harbor Freight (less than $40.00, I think). Have used it on two vehicles now, and while they're the only things I've painted since working on WW-2 planes in high school (20 years ago!), get the air pressure right (@ 45-60 Psi) and the paint mixture - AND the outside air temp right (if you're painting outside - warm to hot days makes the paint flow better with less running), and it works fantastic. I even have somebody here on the list that can give a testimonial... :) Charles On Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:27:19 -0500 "Kerner, Rob" writes: > > Mehdi what do you want to paint. I have HVLP gun that I got from > Hfreight for around $100 but it has yet to be used. I was going to > use > it to paint the house, but as John pointed out HVLP can't quite push > Latex. > > -Rob > [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Wed Nov 6 13:41:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6IfHN05590 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:41:17 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:41:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200211061841.gA6IfHh05586@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: RE: paint gun Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 17 lines filtered. ] I am panting the blue rover. I bought Dupont centari (sp) and the tub is ready. I wanted the shoot the 109 tub and the seat box this or next weekend. If yours is for painting the car, I can buy it from you. Mehdi From bens Wed Nov 6 13:43:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6Ihr105615 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:43:53 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:43:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200211061843.gA6Ihro05611@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: RE: paint gun Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 42 lines filtered. ] I have read the HVLP guns are more efficient. I want a decent paint on the car, by no means a professional looking paint job. Mehdi From bens Wed Nov 6 13:54:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6IsRv05755 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:54:27 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:54:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200211061854.gA6IsQQ05751@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Rover Storage Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Drop it off up here and I'll make sure it gets fed and walked every day! TomW > > A friend of mine is looking for a place to store a ~1990 110 > TurboDiesel. He's about to depart on a long sailing trip > (circumnavigation), so this is likely to be a long storage. Does anyone > know of a cheap way to do this? > > C > > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Wed Nov 6 14:30:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6JUKp06024 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:30:20 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:30:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200211061930.gA6JUKO06020@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Joe Ward To: mendo_recce-digest@fourfold.org Subject: New Rover on list Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Greetings, After 14 years without one, I finally bought another Land Rover. This time a 109" 'cause I have a family to haul now. I was fairly amazed that the SWMBO agreed to the acquisition. I think she figured that either we would get a nice truck or she would get the opportunity to roll her eyes at me a lot--so it was a win-win proposition for her. Either that or she sees it as an inevitable symptom of a mid-life crisis... The Rover is a red '67 NADA SW. It was originally sold in San Francisco, spent some time languishing in the Nevada desert, and was brought back to life by the PO, Todd Walton. (If anyone knows anything more about this truck--vin#343000122--I'd like to here about it). At some point in its life the engine was swapped with a chevy L6 using Scotty's adapter. The only major problem is that I can't get the brakes bled. I've pumped, blown and sucked several quarts of fluid through the system, on an angle, all without success. (I successfully performed this operation many times on my old '88, but I take it the 109" with CB cylinder is more challenging.) According to the PO, all was well until he replaced the master cylinder. (There was a gradual loss of pressure when holding the brakes, which is why he replaced the cylinder in the first place.) Other projects include: refurbishing the interior, adding seatbelts, cleaning up some "custom" wiring (can you say rat's nest) and getting the electrically powered gages to work. Then maybe I can think about upgrades... Regards, Joe Ward Oakland From bens Wed Nov 6 14:40:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6JeMD06099 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:40:22 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:40:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200211061940.gA6JeM306095@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: paint gun Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mehdi, Are you painting outside, or inside??? If outside, for goodness sakes, see what the weather will be for your area!!!! I believe that 70 degrees F is the minimum for good results (it should be specific on the can). Anything less, and you risk the paint becoming tacky at best, remaining so overnight - to attract anything that lands on it, and all kinds of ugly things could happen to what was a great paint job when you applied it. If the tempurature doesn't hit 60F during the day, don't paint - in my experiences. Of course if you're indoors, it doesn't matter what the outside air is doing. Unless your painting skills are up to date, paint the inside of the bed first, allow it to dry, then mask it off and paint the outside 1-2 days later. This way, if you haven't done it in a while (or never at all), the majority of runs will be on the inside, your skills improving before you try painting the outside. (giving you less runs on the outside!) :) Is MY gun for sale??? You wouldn't want it: I keep it "just" clean enough to do a good job! (often taking a drill bit to clean the air passage from the can to the frame!) Note: the outside of a spray gun can look like total crap, so long as the insides are clean, and all internal passages are clear. It's all function, not looks. Get some 1Pt. "Painter's Pail's", and for Centari (if you're using the 893S hardener), use the 8:2:1 mix per the can, and use the first measure table on the "pail" to mix 1Pt. at a time, for a 1Qt. can for your spray gun. Add/remove a dash of hardener for tempurature changes in the weather, but keep the reducer the same unless it's really hot outside (like, 100F and up). Oh - and while painting, don't wear any clothes that you like. Have fun! Charles On Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:41:17 -0500 "Mehdi Saghafi" writes: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ Included Original Message ] > [ 17 lines filtered. ] > I am panting the blue rover. I bought Dupont centari (sp) and the > tub is > ready. I wanted the shoot the 109 tub and the seat box this or next > weekend. If yours is for painting the car, I can buy it from you. > [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Wed Nov 6 14:41:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6Jf0b06127 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:41:00 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:41:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200211061941.gA6Jf0I06123@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "John F. Hess, PhD" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: paint gun Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org My hvlp was used to paint Stubby and then Daniel Oppenheim used it for one of his trucks. It is a Wagner, from Da [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ Included Original Message ] > [ 42 lines filtered. ] >I have read the HVLP guns are more efficient. I want a decent paint on the >car, by no means a professional looking paint job. >Mehdi -- John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista, 2001 Merlin Extra Fat 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Wed Nov 6 14:45:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6Jj8d06155 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:45:08 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:45:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200211061945.gA6Jj7k06151@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New Rover on list Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Joe, ...This truck wasn't sitting in Nevada along U.S. 95, was it??? Or, is it one of the trucks that has been sitting in Winnemucca for eons??? The brakes: if the master cylinder is new, chances are there's something else wrong in the system (though even new masters can be bad). Most likely, a bad hose somewhere (there are 3 on the truck, though most people only replace the two at the front, because they can see them), or possibly, a bad wheel cylinder. Maybe just an air leak in one of the connections on a solid line. Congrats on the purchase! Charles On Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:30:20 -0500 Joe Ward writes: > > Greetings, > > After 14 years without one, I finally bought another Land Rover. > This time a > 109" 'cause I have a family to haul now. I was fairly amazed that > the SWMBO > agreed to the acquisition. I think she figured that either we would > get a [ 40 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Wed Nov 6 14:49:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6Jnol06198 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:49:50 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:49:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200211061949.gA6Jnom06194@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: RE: paint gun Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 5 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Multipart/Alternative; ] [ Text/Plain; ] [ Text/HTML; ] [ image/gif ] [ Image/jpeg ] [ 212 lines filtered. ] --------------Boundary-00=_T176QL80000000000000 From bens Wed Nov 6 15:04:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6K4Bu06309 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:04:11 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:04:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200211062004.gA6K4BV06305@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New Rover on list Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Joe, If you still have the original symptom of the pedal slowly going to the floor, Barring a leak where the fluid is going out, Then the master cylinder on there is bad. If the pedal is hard but low you need to adjust the snails. If the pedal is soft or spongy, you need to bleed. I know that 109's can be a bear to bleed because of the email I've seen. I've never had one though. The Charley Brown (CB) type cylinder should be filled and bled on the bench and plugged before installing. I've cussed a CB out on an 88, but got it bled. It also bleeds differently than the normal CV. After you depress the pedal to the floor and close the nipple, you wait a bit after you let the pedal up. Internally it returns slowly and if you pump too soon you will accomplish nothing. If you let the pedal up and gently push it down, you will feel the cylinder coming back up slowly. If you do have the spongy pedal, you can clamp off the flexible hoses (One rear and two up front.) and feel the pedal, then release one hose at a time to see where the problem is. Pad your vise grips and be gentle. I understand the front bleed screws could be located better than they are. But others on the LRO list have been able to get them bled successfully. Good luck, Bob B At 11:30 AM 11/6/2002, you wrote: >The only major problem is that I can't get the brakes bled. I've pumped, >blown and sucked several quarts of fluid through the system, on an angle, >all without success. (I successfully performed this operation many times on >my old '88, but I take it the 109" with CB cylinder is more challenging.) >According to the PO, all was well until he replaced the master cylinder. >(There was a gradual loss of pressure when holding the brakes, which is why >he replaced the cylinder in the first place.) > >Other projects include: refurbishing the interior, adding seatbelts, [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Nov 6 15:26:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6KQUP06514 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:26:30 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:26:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200211062026.gA6KQUl06510@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter M Hope" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just a little update, I may have 2-4 other vehicles from the PCRC that are thinking of coming down. Looking to get out of the gloom and doom that is Seattle during the holidays. Pete From bens Wed Nov 6 15:37:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6KbZp06577 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:37:35 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:37:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200211062037.gA6KbYR06573@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mojave Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Good deal! I would suggest that no one mention the weather that we experienced last year. Let everyone live in the illusion that it couldn't possibly rain two out of three days in the desert. :-) Cheers, Gerry :Looking to get out of the gloom and doom that is Seattle during the :holidays. :Pete From bens Wed Nov 6 16:37:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6LbAA07208 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:37:10 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:37:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200211062137.gA6LbAQ07204@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mojave Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....get out of the gloom and doom that is Seattle during the holidays....." Reminds me of the Sopranos a couple weeks ago. Tony asks his sis, "Did you ever know anybody who committed suicide?" Her answer is, "Oh yeah, Tony, I lived in Seattle." -Dave G. From bens Wed Nov 6 16:53:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6Lr4n07390 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:53:04 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:53:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200211062153.gA6Lr3a07386@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: paint gun Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Centari is very forgiving. Should be no problem. Do look after a few things, for best results. 1- get the correct reducer for the temperature range you'll be shooting in 2- use plastic ratio cups available from paint supply for mixing and buy enough to just throw them away after a use 3- If using a compressor setup, use new air lines, or at least ones that have never seen oil, clean out your moisture trap AND use a disposable moisture trap AT the gun (tennis ball sized plastic bit available at the paint store). 4- let metal come to ambient temp before painting 5- If you set up the gun to give good results on a vertical surface, turn the pressure down a bit when you shift to horizontals for a smoother finish 6- If you use hardener (I always do), step up your ventilation and mask quality. Low-grade cyanide poisoning isn't fun. 7- paint with hardener in it can be stored in the fridge overnight without going solid BUT 8- if you're using hardener, clean the gun meticulously IMMEDIATELY after you're done painting for the day. (Paul knows about this one...) If you're buying a gun of any kind, be sure they'll let you take it apart, or better yet, demonstrate proper cleaning. The biggest gripe I have with the likes of Wagner et al (and I have one of those with the back pack that I used to stain my house), is that there's no way to get inside to many of the surfaces that touch paint. Running solvent through is okay, but it doesn't return the gun to like new condition. I like to be able to get at, see, and clean every surface that touches paint and return the gun to like new after each session. Maybe that's why I've been painting with the same cheapo Sears gun for 20+ years. -Dave G. From bens Wed Nov 6 16:57:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6LvVD07476 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:57:31 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:57:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200211062157.gA6LvUq07472@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: NCRC Meeting Tonight Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org GENERAL MEETING ANNOUCEMENT Northern California Rover Club Date: 11/06/01 Time: 7:30pm Location: FW Spencer & Sons 99 South Hill Drive Brisbane, CA map: http://www.norcalrover.org/calendar/meeting_locations.html ====================================================================== Agenda ====================================================================== o elections - 10 min. + review election results + new officer orientation O division of labor between officers - 20 min + decide changes to dol, if any o t-shirts - 5 min. + new t-shirt status o club non-profit status - 15 min. o financial review - 5 min. + current bank balance + rough cashflow forecast o newsletter - 5 min. + general input & issues o club website - 5 min. + updates + next steps o club calendar review - 20 min. + 2003 trip ideas + Death Valley ================================ End ================================= Submit questions or comments to president@norcalrover.org. If you cannot attend the meeting but would like to be heard, contact Jeff Rogers (president@norcalrover.org) to provide your input by proxy. From bens Wed Nov 6 16:59:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6LxR207498 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:59:27 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:59:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200211062159.gA6LxQx07494@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: New Rover on list Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Wow, Bob did a killer job with this one. And he's right. Take nothing for granted and do a full diagnostic. But it sounds from your post like maybe the PO didn't bench bleed the MC. It's key. I was in the same boat till I pulled the MC and did a bench bleed. Also, after the bench bleed, when you go to install, don't be afraid to be messy. Block around the MC with lots of rags and fill the reservoir BEFORE attaching the line to the MC. This is sort of like letting a cut bleed. If fluid is flowing out from around the fittings as you tighten, then no air will get in. Attach the reservoir line first, let fluid come out the brake line hole, and then attach the brake line. Best bet at that point is probably to throw a pressure bleeder on and go around the wheels. If none is available, be VERRRRYYYYY patient with your pedal pushing, as Bob also indicated. -Dave G. From bens Wed Nov 6 18:25:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6NPMZ08057 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:25:22 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:25:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200211062325.gA6NPMt08053@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: RE: paint gun Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bob, I got it up north and yes, I am using hardener. Charles the guy told me to do 8:4:1 I am painting in the garage with a fan pushing the air out of the half open door. Suggestions are welcomed. And yes, this is the first time for me. I think I will go with Bob's recommendation for the gun and yes start with the inside of the Tub. I will do the parts as they are ready to be assembled and one last run before I put the roof on. I am doing the body marine blue and the roof and the sunshield alpine white. Mehdi From bens Wed Nov 6 18:38:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA6NcaX08135 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:38:36 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:38:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200211062338.gA6NcaV08131@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: paint gun Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....I am doing the body marine blue and the roof and the sunshield alpine white...." Mighty spiffy! 8:4:1 is correct. -Dave G. From bens Wed Nov 6 20:39:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA71d7E08796 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 20:39:07 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 20:39:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200211070139.gA71d7R08792@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave with Kids? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Is anyone going to be going on the Mojave trip with kids? I am >considering bringing along my 8 year old (boy) and ten year old >(girl)... although I am already hearing the whine of "this will be >boring" > >Jeremy, I thought I'd try a trial run of taking them on the >wander-around you have going this month if you think that's a low key >kind of trip? 8 and 10? Sounds like it would be fine in my book. At that age they should be of some use with fire tending if nothing else. If they can open a cooler and fetch beers, well that's even better! Cheers RW -- Blaming Guns for Crime is Like Blaming Spoons for Rosie O'Donnell Being Fat From bens Wed Nov 6 20:39:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA71d5a08787 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 20:39:05 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 20:39:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200211070139.gA71d4v08783@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: paint gun Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org 8:4:1!?!?!?!?!? Cold in the Bay area, isn't it? Must be because of the difference in climate: since August, I've been using 8:1:2 on "Operation Poppyfield" (okay, I've just about given myself up here!), and this is what it sez on the can (I just went out and looked at it). So, since it's colder up there, more hardener and less reducer sounds right. I may as well admit it - "Operation Poppyfield" was the painting of Russ' Dormie Poppy Red, by yours truly...the whole f(@*$&g truck, in pieces! Problem was: the weather, constant visits to Visalia, constant visits to Reno, runs to other places in between, making sure I did it while the neighbors weren't home (weekdays) having to re-shoot panels that I thought didn't look right, having to re-shoot panels that I screwed up due to a dirty gun(!) and for the past 4 weeks, the weather. Only regret I have, is that I should have rivited the top bodycaps back on BEFORE I painted the outside of the bed, because the air hammer popped the paint loose (even the old paint) on a couple of the rivits! ...maybe I should have used less pressure while riviting?... Mehdi.................. Make sure that, when you begin spraying, that you hold the gun @ 18 inches from the panels that you're spraying: any closer, and you'll get runs before the "dust" coat is applied! (you can get away with holding it closer on hot days) Spray in layers: the first layer is a "dust" layer, and each subsequent layer gets thicker and fuller. Spray evenly, and so long as you follow these rules, you can spray 1/2 sections at a time - though this is not reccomended (sometimes it's a necessity, due to arm length) The final layer should be applied kinda slowly - you'll be able to gauge the proper speed from the previous layers. NOTE: 1Qt. is good for the inside of a 109 regular bed (is this a regular bed, or a SW bed?), while you'll be able to spray a few other items at the same time, if you're doing the inside of a SW bed. (paint is expensive: paint as much stuff as you can at one time) Of course, before all this, make sure that the surface has been CAREFULLY prepped!!!!! Depending on how well you prep the panels, your paint job will either look like a million bucks, or, it will look like you could have done better with spray cans. (I say this from experience) No oil, no grease, no brake fluid, no bird crap - make sure the panels are sanitary before you begin. Also, if you feather out any scratches, make sure that you gradually did so with finer sand paper - and wet-sanded each time, and followed up with a dash of primer. Oh - and always spray something non-essential on a test basis, to get the gun settings right before beginning on the parts to be painted. Charles On Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:25:22 -0500 "Mehdi Saghafi" writes: > > Bob, I got it up north and yes, I am using hardener. > > Charles the guy told me to do 8:4:1 > > I am painting in the garage with a fan pushing the air out of the > half open > door. Suggestions are welcomed. > [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Wed Nov 6 20:49:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA71n5i08862 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 20:49:05 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 20:49:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200211070149.gA71n5208858@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: paint gun Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I've never tried a HVLP gun: I have a cheapie old-fashioned siphon gun >that I bought from Harbor Freight (less than $40.00, I think). Have used >it on two vehicles now, and while they're the only things I've painted >since working on WW-2 planes in high school (20 years ago!), get the air >pressure right (@ 45-60 Psi) and the paint mixture - AND the outside air >temp right (if you're painting outside - warm to hot days makes the paint >flow better with less running), and it works fantastic. > >I even have somebody here on the list that can give a testimonial... I will only testify if given full protection from further abuse.... O.K. Then, Charles did an AMAZING job on my rover. Very nice indeed. If all goes well, it and I will be on the Mojave Road trip. RW -- Blaming Guns for Crime is Like Blaming Spoons for Rosie O'Donnell Being Fat From bens Wed Nov 6 21:05:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA725S308951 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:05:28 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:05:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200211070205.gA725RI08947@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: paint gun Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org thank Charles for the tips. I meant to say 8:4:2. twice as more reducer as it says on the can. Mehdi From bens Wed Nov 6 21:06:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA726xC08969 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:06:59 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:06:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200211070206.gA726xs08965@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RR HSE Tale of woe Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html ] [ 39 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. Driving in to work today on 680, a pickup truck (no mudflaps) kicked up a bunch of rocks as we were going through the construction zone. They had opened the lanes but not done a good job on cleaning up debris. Anyway, took out two of my lights, including holing my headlight cluster (literally- there is a 1.5 inch diameter hole in it), chips in windshield, etc. I'm the only one allowed to scratch my Land Rovers! Anyway, decided to pay my deductible and let someone else deal with it. Still a royal pain and I'm out $250. Jon -------------------------- Jon Turner LifeScan, Inc. 408.956.4457 sent via Blackberry From bens Wed Nov 6 21:46:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA72k5s09155 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:46:05 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:46:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200211070246.gA72k5309151@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "John F. Hess, PhD" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: paint gun Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Wear a charcoal (at least) respirator mask and change the cartridges. >Bob, I got it up north and yes, I am using hardener. > >Charles the guy told me to do 8:4:1 > >I am painting in the garage with a fan pushing the air out of the half open >door. Suggestions are welcomed. > >And yes, this is the first time for me. I think I will go with Bob's >recommendation for the gun and yes start with the inside of the Tub. I will [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista, 2001 Merlin Extra Fat 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Thu Nov 7 00:40:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA75eVI11397 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 00:40:31 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 00:40:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200211070540.gA75eVA11393@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Dunlop Rover RT Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, My tire guy in San Rafael (Cain's, on 4th St) can get me four RTs in 7.50R16 overnight from his distributor for $115. Some of you here bought some recently-- what did you pay? Thanks, Blair (CTDs on the 110 are wearin' thin) From bens Thu Nov 7 00:52:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA75qMP11449 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 00:52:22 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 00:52:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200211070552.gA75qMJ11445@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Shannon Holland" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Machining Heads on a 3.9 for Composite Gasket Question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hmmm, ok - thanks for the info charles. I had thought something needed to be done to the head itself, but am not really sure when/where/if I had actually heard this! Good to learn more though! Someday I'm going to get around to getting a second car/rover so that I can actually afford to work on mine (well time is pretty restricted right now as well) - in my experience the best way to learn is to do! Shannon On Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:44AM -0800, Charles R Irvin wrote: From bens Thu Nov 7 00:55:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA75tHc11474 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 00:55:17 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 00:55:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200211070555.gA75tGo11470@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: more comments...Re: paint gun Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mehdi, listening to all teh comments hee makes me want to say a bit. first of all I have used all sprayers from my wagner POS houst paint sprayer which puts out waaaay too much paint for it's own good, through many different Binks #7 clones from post tool and harbor freight, to my dad's Graco/Croix turbine HVLP system....you'd think that for the five bills? the graco/Croix would be the best, but I do the best with the binks #7 clone, my touch-up gun and an airbrush. I orioginally got them from Post fifteen years ago, but for Dragonfly, recently for painting teh planes, I bought a new set from Harbor freight. they work great, and the big gun and touch up go for sale for under $20 each...the airbrush is about twelve? I can probably lend you whatever you need whenever you want...just let me know. or as you see, they are cheap you can own your own from harbor freight cheap. teh trick is a good water trap on the line as well as a decent compressor....and as Charles said, keep them clean inside. Paul --- Mehdi Saghafi wrote: > > Bob and others, some one had mentioned getting a paint > gun to use with their > compressor and were happy with it. Although I had saved > the message from > couple of years ago, a recent meltdown, did away with all > my archive. > > So can someone recommend a paint gun to use with an air [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From bens Thu Nov 7 01:12:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA76ClN11548 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:12:47 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:12:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200211070612.gA76ClE11544@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Kdwiser@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Dunlop Rover RT Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Blair, Your tire guy sounds fair. I have 215/85/16 (close to 7.50s) and here's when and what I've paid: 11/99 bought 5 for $102 ea and was in stock. 4/01 replaced one for $126 from the same place and was in stock. 1/02 The same shop wanted $136ea and weren't in stock. Paid $241 for 2 RTs including FedEx shipping from tirerack.com. Hmm, a pattern? They keep getting more expensive and less available! Kevan In a message dated 11/6/02 9:42:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, BPeterson@InterAsset.com writes: << My tire guy in San Rafael (Cain's, on 4th St) can get me four RTs in 7.50R16 overnight from his distributor for $115. Some of you here bought some recently-- what did you pay? >> From bens Thu Nov 7 01:19:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA76JiT11583 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:19:44 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:19:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200211070619.gA76Jic11579@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: RE: Kids on Mojave trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Russ Wilson wrote: "8 and 10? Sounds like it would be fine in my book. At that age they should be of some use with fire tending if nothing else. If they can open a cooler and fetch beers, well that's even better!" For those of you who don't know, Russ is a prolific author of poignant and sensitive children's books, such as "Billy's Rehab Adventures", "The Little Popup Book of Bathtub Brewing", and "Oh, The Hooch You'll Swill!" Mo --------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance 1st month Free! Sign up today at: www.netzerolongdistance.com From bens Thu Nov 7 02:02:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA772K811790 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 02:02:20 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 02:02:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200211070702.gA772Kg11786@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: It's not a Jeep Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, After 7 months of hassle with the title on my Dormobile I finally have it registered. The DMV wanted to check the VIN on the car against the paperwork. Well since the engine and trans are out, I had to have a police officer come out and verify the VIN number. When the officer showed up he had two ride along reporters from the local small town paper. They took a bunch of pictures of my Dormie and asked a bunch of questions. About a week later I get an email from the reporter asking to clarify some bits about the story she's writing. In her email she referred to my Land Rover Dormobile as a Jeep and I corrected her several times. Today the paper came out and here's what she wrote: " His job is to respond to calls and look for anything suspicious. On Oct. 25, he started his shift by going to a residence. The resident had just bought two Land Rover jeeps. Since the transmission and engine of one of the jeeps didn't work, he couldn't drive to a DMV office to register his car. His only option was to have a police officer go to his house and match the car's vehicle identification number with his registration papers. Durr checked the car's milage and year and left after singing off the DMV document." Well I didn't buy two Land Rovers, it was just the Dormie and that was 7 months ago, Oh and it's not a fricken jeep either. I did like how she spelled Land Rover in uppercase and jeep in lowercase though. At the DMV when I was applying for a California Historical Vehicle Plate (it was originally sold to a person by the name of Freeman in California on a Home delivery option Land Rover use to offer). The DMV stated that I could either apply for the Historical Plate or buy a 1967 era license plate at the flea market and register the car with the it. She said the only catch was I had to make sure the plate wasn't currently registered to a vehicle. As long as the plate is free and clear is sounds like you can still do this. If my request for a Historical plate gets turned down, I'll try to find a period plate. Cheers, Keith & Pam Shukait Northern California Rover Club Mendo-Reece List Digest Version Dormobile Owner Register 1997 Land Rover Discovery XD "YLLWJKT" 1969 Land Rover Series IIA ExMoD 109 Regular "Millie" 1967 Land Rover Series IIA NADA 6 Cylinder Dormobile "Indiana" From bens Thu Nov 7 02:17:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA77HqL11858 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 02:17:52 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 02:17:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200211070717.gA77Hq911854@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Osborne" To: Subject: RE: Robert Davis Conversion Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks for the comments. Not surprisingly, it seems there is a pretty even split of opinion. It's easy to see both viewpoints. Dave and Paul are definitely carrying the banner for DIY, while Eric and Mo are taking the, "I have things I'd rather do than fight an engine swap." And Ben, it's funny that you mention picking up the two motors at the Mid Atlantic meet, since Robert told me how he drove his 88 with a military trailer fully loaded with camping gear, and two of his motors 70mph the whole way. After looking at ACR's site it seems perfectly reasonable that Davis can get the hp/torque numbers he claims out of his motor. The Davis motor is just a bit bigger than theirs, and I'm thinking the better breathing head can push the performance up that little bit more. In my opinion for minimal impact on time and truck, the Davis motor is the clear choice. Unless, of course, Paul ships me his last Scotty adapter set so I can dimension, draw, and fab my own from his as a template. Maybe I could sell a few too. ;) J2. From bens Thu Nov 7 02:28:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA77SuK11918 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 02:28:56 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 02:28:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200211070728.gA77Sup11914@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeremy Bartlett To: mendo Subject: paint job Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mehdi, I have a standard (and also as yet unused hvlp) gun you can borrow. Make sure you use an appropriate filter cartridge in a well fit respirator especially if painting indoors. In addition to other comments such as prep work, be sure you have a resevoir equipped compressor to maintain air pressure/supply. Jeremy P.S. It is illegal to add 10% by volume acetone to Centari to improve flow characteristics and final finish :) From bens Thu Nov 7 08:29:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA7DTen14020 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:29:40 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:29:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200211071329.gA7DTeI14016@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: It's not a Jeep Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Wednesday, November 6, 2002, at 11:02 PM, Keith Shukait wrote: > The DMV > stated that I could either apply for the Historical Plate or buy a 1967 > era license plate at the flea market and register the car with the it. That's interesting. When I got year of manufacture plates for my TR3A they only allowed it for plate styles that were not in current use. That limited the programme to 1962 and earlier. I wonder when they changed the rules? This weekend there is a big car show & swap meet at the plesenton fairgrounds. Unless they decide not to come out in the rain there will be multiple venders that carry used plates. That's where I got mine. They were refinished to as new condition and had a mint 1961 year sticker. The Green Rover has historical plates. They generate a phenomenal number of parking lot conversations. > TeriAnn wakeman Santa Cruz, California http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman A member of the internet community since 1985. From bens Thu Nov 7 08:54:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA7DsWe14153 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:54:32 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:54:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200211071354.gA7DsWk14149@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Dunlop Rover RT Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org blair, i paid $98 / tire at American Tire Co. here in Freakmont, of course i already have a good rapport with the mgmt , the price at the time was the web price at Tirerack.com and they matched it, this was about 2 months ago cheers, fil >From: "Blair Peterson" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: "Mendo (E-mail)" >Subject: Dunlop Rover RT >Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 00:40:31 -0500 > >Hi, > >My tire guy in San Rafael (Cain's, on 4th St) can get me four RTs in [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From bens Thu Nov 7 09:12:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA7EChZ14274 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:12:43 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:12:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200211071412.gA7ECgC14270@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Michael Samuels" To: Subject: Re: tranny woes 3 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Tranny saga continues, rovers down south has rebults for 825, a local Land Rover owner mechanic will put it in for 500. the shop where it is wants six hours at 70 per hour 420$ for diagnosing it, I did not authorize this, they pulled the floor, no stuck bolts, and lifted tranny top, that's all, six hours? Soo.. what to do. Michael, thanks group for all your help I am, making progress though maybe. Schoolbus will be back on the road soon. From bens Thu Nov 7 09:23:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA7ENfa14370 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:23:41 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:23:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200211071423.gA7ENff14366@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Dunlop Rover RT Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...what did you pay?..." I bought a set (same size) a year ago and paid $103 ea, so that sounds like a good price to me. At the time they were $97 through tirerack.com, and the guy I bought them from was getting them from his dizzy for $95 (I made the call to the dist), so I think that was a pretty good price at the time too. -Dave G. From bens Thu Nov 7 09:28:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA7ESoS14439 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:28:50 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:28:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200211071428.gA7ESoN14435@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Robert Davis Conversion Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...In my opinion for minimal impact on time and truck, the Davis motor is the clear choice...." You'r right, of course, Jas. Color me (pastel) green with envy. :^))) -Dave G. From bens Thu Nov 7 09:36:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA7Eaqu14511 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:36:52 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:36:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200211071436.gA7EapA14507@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: Molded Series floor mats Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Joe out of curiosity how much were those series floor mats. -Rob From bens Thu Nov 7 09:55:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA7EtqQ14682 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:55:52 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:55:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200211071455.gA7EtqW14678@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: paint gun Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If You can get a good air supply and have a good respirator, this works great. Empty garage. Sweep. Using Plastic make a small room for parts, or a room around the rover if you are not disassembling. I stapled the plastic to the cross beams, and taped the corners together. Put an exhaust fan somewhere in the plastic room, an intake fan makes it even nicer. Water the concrete to keep down dust. Do this no matter what. Have fun. -Rob From bens Thu Nov 7 09:56:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA7Eu2o14697 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:56:02 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:56:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200211071456.gA7Eu2Z14693@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Robert Davis Conversion Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Jason Osborne wrote: > > Thanks for the comments. > Not surprisingly, it seems there is a pretty even split > of opinion. > > It's easy to see both viewpoints. tis true! If UI was not such a skinflint, and enjoyed the work, I'd buy a ready made installation and have someone even put it it to boot. but tht is not to be as I am too inquisative to let someone else do it. > Unless, of course, Paul ships me his last Scotty adapter > set so I can > dimension, draw, and fab my own from his as a template. > Maybe I could sell a > few too. ;) feel free to come up and look at it in Fremont and do any measurements or such (bring the Yamaha tzr for trade and you can even have it! hehehehehehe) ;-) Paul __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From bens Thu Nov 7 10:15:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA7FFb715023 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:15:37 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:15:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200211071515.gA7FFbR15019@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Robert Davis Conversion Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >"...In my opinion for minimal impact >on time and truck, the Davis motor is the clear choice...." > >You'r right, of course, Jas. Color me (pastel) green with envy. :^))) > >-Dave G. That's what is going in gambrinus just as soon as I come up with the $$$. RW -- Blaming Guns for Crime is Like Blaming Spoons for Rosie O'Donnell Being Fat From bens Thu Nov 7 10:18:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA7FIwL15083 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:18:58 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:18:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200211071518.gA7FIw515079@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: It's not a Jeep Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Reporters.......they rarely get the facts straight - which is why I don't read the paper... Those television folks aren't too hot either - Janet seen me correcting them several times, after they've shown a sound byte of the story they're covering! So far as registration goes...there are folks in some places (the L.A. area being one of them), that handle vehicle registration - that are not employed by the DMV or the auto club, and they can also perform a verification on a vehicle. Cops and DMV people usually ask too many questions (assuming that a vehicle is stolen), while the private people take your money and do their job. (of course, the cops & DMV do it for free) I'm pretty sure that the person at the DMV gave you old info, unless there's a loophole in the current old license plate law that I haven't discovered: last I heard, the vehicle had to be manufactured in 1962 or prior to automatically retain original plates, and any vehicle upto 1966 IF (and ONLY if) it was: A. currently registered with those plates, or B. not registered, but you have in possession an original registration form for that vehicle, that has the plate number in question printed on it - proof that those plates belong to that vehicle) Otherwise - forget it: I went through the same thing with Cortina #1 a few years ago, only to be told "Sorry, buy you are required to take new plates.". I've heard of people requesting "Environmental" plates (personalized) with a specific number on them, but I don't know if this works or not........ Charles On Thu, 7 Nov 2002 02:02:20 -0500 Keith Shukait writes: > > All, > > After 7 months of hassle with the title on my Dormobile I finally > have > it registered. The DMV wanted to check the VIN on the car against > the > paperwork. Well since the engine and trans are out, I had to have a > [ 60 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Thu Nov 7 10:25:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA7FPB915141 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:25:11 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:25:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200211071525.gA7FPB915137@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: It's not a Jeep Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Keith Shukait wrote: >Durr checked the car's milage and > year and left > after singing off the DMV document." He as singing? ;-) > she spelled Land Rover in uppercase and jeep in lowercase > though. Well as much as it makes us wince!......that is correct. jeep is a vehicle type designation...remember that thing was a willy's for years, not a jeep... ...the disco is not a jeep, but the series, the old nissan patrol, the old land-cruisers, etc....well all are classified as jeeps throughout the world..such is life, no biggie. Now when they call it a Land-Cruiser, or a Toyota! Than I get indignant. ;-) Paul __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From bens Thu Nov 7 10:25:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA7FPxc15164 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:25:59 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:25:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200211071525.gA7FPx015160@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Robert Davis Conversion Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200211070717.gA77Hq911854@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > Ben, it's funny that you mention picking up the two motors at the Mid > Atlantic meet, since Robert told me how he drove his 88 with a military > trailer fully loaded with camping gear, and two of his motors 70mph the > whole way. The Rover world is small isn't it? Last weekend I was in upstate NY for a 101 Rallye. A guy from AZ was there towing back an Ambulance body. (Formerly he had the Vampire that showed up at Mendo which is now with another LRO on the east coast). Anyway I'm telling a story about the first D90 Twist off. And he pipe up, the one that started in the hotel? Yes. I was the guy with the electric 88". Small world. Ben From bens Thu Nov 7 10:28:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA7FS9A15237 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:28:09 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:28:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200211071528.gA7FS8115233@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: paint job Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Further to this: it's illegal for private parties to even be using Centari (or any acrylic enamels) in California! :) (though many people do) Just don't tell the neighbors unless you're all really good friends. And, as everybody else said - use a good respirator - the twin filter one at Harbor Freight for something like $40.00 is a good one (or, was it more expensive?), and don't use a single filter type...less airflow through the single filter, making it a little harder to breathe in it. Hose down the floor AND throw down a covering of some kind (overspray goes everywhere!), and have a ball! I forgot to mention: I've always been told that to spray a vehicle, you should be running a compressor that puts out something like 5HP/30 gallon capacity or better, because anything less, and the compressor will continue running to keep up with your use of the spray gun. I also have a water trap at the spray gun handle, though here in L.A., I've never seen any water build up in it - but it's still good to have, and if you haven't done it recently, drain your compressor before painting. BTW - a show of hands for the number of people that drain their air compressors daily??? Weekly??? Charles On Thu, 7 Nov 2002 02:28:56 -0500 Jeremy Bartlett writes: > > > P.S. It is illegal to add 10% by volume acetone to Centari to > improve > flow characteristics and final finish :) > > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Thu Nov 7 10:41:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA7Ffgi15502 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:41:42 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:41:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200211071541.gA7Fff115498@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: It's not a Jeep Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Paul, That may be true, but when Chrysler bought Jeep, they pursued getting anyone using the word jeep even if it was just in a rally to cease and desist. They were trying to protect the copyright name. I considered mailing someone there an old topo map to see what they would say or do about the "jeep trails" marked on it years ago. Cheers, Bob B At 07:25 AM 11/7/2002, you wrote: > > she spelled Land Rover in uppercase and jeep in lowercase > > though. >Well as much as it makes us wince!......that is correct. >jeep is a vehicle type designation...remember that thing >was a willy's for years, not a jeep... >Paul From bens Thu Nov 7 10:44:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA7FiWv15544 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:44:32 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:44:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200211071544.gA7FiWx15540@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Re. Rover storeage Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm also looking for vehicle storeage (1956 MGA). Anyone want to cohabitate? I'm flexible regarding location as long as its somewhere in or around SF or LA. Thanks, Joe Mulqueen __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From bens Thu Nov 7 10:45:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA7Fjq115573 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:45:52 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:45:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200211071545.gA7FjpU15569@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: paint job Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Charles R Irvin wrote: > And, as everybody else said - use a good respirator - the > twin filter one > at Harbor Freight for something like $40.00 is a good one > (or, was it > more expensive?), and don't use a single filter > type...less airflow > through the single filter, making it a little harder to > breathe in it. > I forgot to mention: I've always been told that to spray > a vehicle, you > should be running a compressor that puts out something > like 5HP/30 gallon > capacity or better, because anything less, and the > compressor will > continue running to keep up with your use of the spray > gun. anything less and it can't even handle teh gun. With a touch-up gun, you can get away with much less, but....it takes forever to p[aint a car with that(ask me how I know!) > BTW - a show of hands for the number of people that drain > their air > compressors daily??? Weekly??? DRAIN? ;-0 What's that? ;-) I drain teh compressor at Dragonfly every time I go up there even if I am not paintin, and am amazed at how much water accumulates, even overnight! It is a huge compressor ahd huge tank, but....we have two water traps, one at the compressor, and a second one at the paint-gun outlet. when I paint, I pull out the paint hose from teh cabinet instead of using teh regular hoses to stay oil free. At home, I drain it weekly as well... Paul __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From bens Thu Nov 7 10:48:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA7Fm8O15590 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:48:08 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:48:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200211071548.gA7Fm8515586@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "John F. Hess, PhD" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: It's not a Jeep Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >after singing off the DMV document." > Singing, huh. When I had our project vehicle (several years ago) ID'd, I invited an officer over when he was down the street writing a fix it ticket for registration of a car he noticed while driving by (Davis cops are bored!) We gave him a fresh baked still warm brownie and that was it. This was the truck I got permission to use the original plates on. I wrote down what I had and what I wanted on a blank official DMV form and they sent it to Sacramento for approval. BTW, I drove Stubby last weekend and of course got smiles and thumbs up from folks. I'm not really sure how to interpret this, but I had a guy ask "What year?". I replied 1960. He said "1860?" I said no, 1960. Do I have a speech problem? Does he think cars were around in 1860? cheers, -- John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista, 2001 Merlin Extra Fat 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Thu Nov 7 10:48:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA7Fmcx15625 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:48:38 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:48:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200211071548.gA7FmcE15621@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: It's not a Jeep Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Be careful if you do decide to use Historical plates. There are rules/regulations governing their use. If you drive too much, and have an accident, you could discover that your insurance is void. (Depending on the liability issues, some insurance companies start vigorous investigations.) Frank ---------------------------------- Keith Shukait wrote: >... >At the DMV when I was applying for a California Historical Vehicle >Plate > From bens Thu Nov 7 10:53:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA7FrLe15672 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:53:21 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:53:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200211071553.gA7FrLv15668@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: It's not a Jeep Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was watching "My Classig Car" and they were going over classic auto insurance. The one they were touting(I can't remember the name) did NOT have a milage limit. In fact you could drive it as much as you wanted, as long as it wasn't to work, and it was garaged. Of course I am not sure what they would do for a Land-Rover, since using it as it was intended is naturally dangerous. I assume Historic plates have their own limitations. -Rob From bens Thu Nov 7 10:57:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA7FvZE15722 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:57:35 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:57:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200211071557.gA7FvYn15718@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: Classis Car insurance Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The company was Grundy. -Rob From bens Thu Nov 7 11:07:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA7G7Mk15785 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:07:22 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:07:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200211071607.gA7G7Lu15781@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: paint job Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....a show of hands...." I try not to let more than 1/4 cup of liquid build up in the 20 gal. tank. Here at 9k ft in the Rockies, I drain it once a year and get a couple tablespoons out. In Indiana, I had to drain it quarterly and got about 1/4 cup out every time. But, I also drain it if I'm going to paint, no matter where I am in the PM schedule. Using Amsoil synthetic in the crank case has done wonders for my ability to run in the winter. The garage is detached and not heated. I don't have 220 out there, so I have to run on high-current 110. With plain old 30 wt dino juice I'd blow breakers if the ambient temp was below 25. With the Amsoil it fires right up no problem when it's really too cold for a sane human being to be working on a car (single digits). I'm using Amsoil 20w50 in there now, and not getting any significant oil in the coalescing filter. -Dave G. From bens Thu Nov 7 11:10:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA7GAmt15828 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:10:48 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:10:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200211071610.gA7GAlv15824@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: paint job Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, I read years ago to have a run of 20-30 feet of galvanized pipe for the air in the rafters then drop down to a water trap. This was an article in Street Rodder magazine on how to paint your car/truck/hotrod/Land-Rover/etc. I probly still have the article in the shop. This will cool the air which will get the water vapor out. So that's what I do and it seems to work fine. The water amount depends on the humidity at your location. In the summer I have very little water in the tank to drain, but during the winter dampness I do get more. Bob B At 07:45 AM 11/7/2002, you wrote: >I drain teh compressor at Dragonfly every time I go up >there even if I am not paintin, and am amazed at how much >water accumulates, even overnight! It is a huge compressor >ahd huge tank, but....we have two water traps, one at the >compressor, and a second one at the paint-gun outlet. when >I paint, I pull out the paint hose from teh cabinet instead >of using teh regular hoses to stay oil free. >At home, I drain it weekly as well... > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Nov 7 11:32:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA7GWjG15970 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:32:45 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:32:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200211071632.gA7GWjW15966@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Dunlop Rover RT Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I just bought 4 215/85R16s, which I am told is almost the same size as 7.00-16, for $432.04, including shipping from Reno to Flagstaff. The best deal from a local tire shop was $123 each, not including our 10% sales tax. From bens Thu Nov 7 12:01:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA7H1Ot16187 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:01:24 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:01:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200211071701.gA7H1Ng16183@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Roger Sinasohn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: It's not a Jeep Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 02:02 AM 11/7/02 -0500, you wrote: >had just bought two Land Rover jeeps. Since the transmission and engine So of course it's your duty to write a letter to the editor and correct this proponent of accuracy and excellence in journalism. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From bens Thu Nov 7 12:37:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA7HbxO16490 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:37:59 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:37:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200211071737.gA7HbwR16486@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce Subject: (fwd) Re: Mojave with Kids? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ------- Forwarded Message Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:30:30 -0800 Subject: Re: Mojave with Kids? Cc: nancyehart@mac.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Michael Baumann Greetings folks - My wife and I, and our 7 and 8 year old boys are planning on attending. Never made a NCLR or Mendo trip before, but have done a bunch with SCLR. We would even be interested in an extended return loop through DV. Regards, Mike Baumann (Long Time Lurker) 97 Disco < michael_baumann@mac.com > ------- End of Forwarded Message From bens Thu Nov 7 12:40:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA7HedC16540 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:40:39 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:40:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200211071740.gA7HedL16536@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: RE: paint gun Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 24 lines filtered. ] I have an empty one car garage. The rover is disassembled, so I do have to mask my T frame and bulkhead (galvanized). Joe did tell me about the water on the concrete. I'll wait for a nice weekend and go to it. I have a 6hp 30gal compressor from sears. Mehdi From bens Thu Nov 7 13:00:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA7I0SQ16699 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:00:28 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:00:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200211071800.gA7I0S716695@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Joe Ward To: mendo_recce-digest@fourfold.org Subject: Brakes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks for the advice, guys. Since I'm on the digest, it's easier to me to reply in one go: >...This truck wasn't sitting in Nevada along U.S. 95, was it??? Or, is it >one of the trucks that has been sitting in Winnemucca for eons??? I don't know where in Nevada it was. >Most likely, a bad hose somewhere (there are 3 on the truck, though most >people only replace the two at the front, because they can see them), or >possibly, a bad wheel cylinder. I replaced one front and the rear, the other front line had obviously been replaced recently. How can you tell if a wheel cylinder is bad? Just doesn't move, or are there more subtle faults (I haven't found any leaks)? >Maybe just an air leak in one of the >connections on a solid line. I had disregarded this possibility since I haven't found any fluid leaks, but now that I think about it, it would be possible for air to enter the system and just displace the fluid back into the resevoir. >If you do have the spongy pedal, you can clamp off the flexible hoses (One >rear and two up front.) and feel the pedal, then release one hose at a time >to see where the problem is. Pad your vise grips and be gentle. I tried this and, since the pedal was still soft, it would indicate a problem with the MC (or intervening lines). However, since the workshop manual warns about using non-brake clamps, I was a bit hesitant and maybe didn't clamp them off fully. >But it sounds from your post like maybe the PO didn't bench bleed the MC. I'd heard of bench bleeding, but couldn't quite picture how it was done. I envisioned myself running from the workbench to the truck with fluid pouring all over the place, just to end up back where I started by the time I got it reinstalled. But now that you've described it, I can see how it would work. I'll try it. >Best bet at that point is probably to throw a pressure bleeder on and go >around the wheels. I've used both pressure and vacuum bleeders. I did notice that the flow out the rear brakes was about half that of the front brakes. Is this normal, or could it indicate a trapped air bubble restricting flow? Joe Ward Oakland, Ca From bens Thu Nov 7 13:20:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA7IK4O16899 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:20:04 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:20:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200211071820.gA7IK4g16895@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Dunlop RR R/Ts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Glad to hear these are still available!! It would be a real pity if they went out of production. Cheers John James Howard wrote: >I received my Dunlop Radial Rover R/Ts today. The UPS man *really* >liked them - I think he is going to get some for his truck, too. > > > > From bens Thu Nov 7 13:41:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA7IfXI17175 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:41:33 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:41:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200211071841.gA7IfXZ17171@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Brakes - bench bleeding Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org To do the bench bleed, you need to connect "a" reservoir to the MC, or better yet, THE reservoir from the truck and leave it connected. You then need to screw a fitting into the output port of the mc, and run a flexible tube from there back into the reservoir, terminating below the fluid level. Then fill the reservoir with fluid, clamp the MC level in a vise (or maybe output end - closest to rod - elevated slightly), and pump the actuator rod to circulate fluid until there's no air bubbles. Pump slowly so as not to mix microbubbles of air into the fluid. Some time way back I bought a MC from an auto parts store that came with some generic fittings and hoses for bench bleeding. I've saved those all these years and they come in handy every so often. But it should be easy enough to make yourself some fittings from old brake lines or something. A tight (ish) fit is best to avoid the possibility of drawing air in at the fitting. -Dave G. From bens Thu Nov 7 15:29:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA7KT6e18007 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:29:06 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:29:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200211072029.gA7KT6R18003@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Robert Davis Conversion Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Just to add a bit of info., T The Davis engine is a stroked 2.5 to get the 3.0L. Not a bored out 2.5 and bigger dia. pistons. From bens Thu Nov 7 17:50:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA7Mobh18967 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 17:50:37 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 17:50:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200211072250.gA7Moab18963@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Brakes - bench bleeding Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If you bench bleed, be sure you attach the pedal return spring or block the pedal from depressing BEFORE you remove the plugs and attach the hydraulic lines. If you don't, the pedal will self depress as soon as you remove the outlet plug and you will have intoduced air into the system, again, especially if the reservoir wasn't attached first. Aloha Peter O. --- "Gomes, David" wrote: > > To do the bench bleed, you need to connect "a" > reservoir to the MC, or > better yet, THE reservoir from the truck and leave > it connected. You then > need to screw a fitting into the output port of the > mc, and run a flexible > tube from there back into the reservoir, terminating > below the fluid level. [ 21 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From bens Thu Nov 7 20:05:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA815iY19800 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:05:44 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:05:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200211080105.gA815hH19796@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Clarke Williams To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: FW: Head lamps Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Does NOT make sense. Bosch or Cole Hersey or Delco headlight contacts are rated for 10 amps -- as long as you stay below 120-130 watts the plugs are not the problem. The tabs on headlight terminals are typically 5/16" wide and 1/16" thick -- plenty big enough for 10 amps. For comparison look at the tabs on a 70 amp Maxi-Fuse -- about the same size. The real problem with high wattage headlights is that they cause headlight switches to die quickly. The solution is a headlight relay which Painless and others sell. clarke At 11:20 AM 11/6/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >Does this make sense to anyone? This is a response from Painless about >brighter bulbs. > > >I'm sorry, but we do not advise on aftermarket headlights. All of our >kits are designed for stock headlight bulbs. We have found that the high >watt bulbs are too much for the terminals in the headlight pigtail. We >have not found a cure for this problem. The wiring is not the problem, [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Nov 7 20:19:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA81JL419857 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:19:21 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:19:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200211080119.gA81JKJ19853@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. Tranny Woes & Overdrive dies Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MO, Buy the ROVERDRIVE and bring it to the NCRC holiday party to show off! Joemulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:24:51 -0500 From: "Hannaford, Morgan" Subject: Tranny Woes & Overdrive dies ............I'm studying TerriAnne's website on the Ashcroft hi-range gearing and the new Roverdrive. Does anyone else have experience with the Roverdrive from BP? I am leaning towards the Ashcroft gearing as 55mph is getting tedious on I-5 in Redding and I like the simpler design. Too bad it doesn't offer a lower low range! - -Mo __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From bens Thu Nov 7 20:28:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA81SjD19930 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:28:45 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:28:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200211080128.gA81SjD19926@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Casey McMullen" To: Subject: RE: FW: Head lamps Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Maybe the terminals melt due to heat rather than current? I've heard the high power bulbs crack more often than normal because they get so hot. I wouldn't doubt they get hot enough to melt insulation or the degrade the plastic housing around a terminal. Solder melts at about 350-450F, do they get that hot? I dunno, somebody go stick a thermometer inside their headlight bucket. Perhaps improving ventilation into the engine compartment would help? -Casey > Does NOT make sense. Bosch or Cole Hersey or Delco headlight > contacts are > rated for 10 amps -- as long as you stay below 120-130 watts > the plugs are > not the problem. The tabs on headlight terminals are > typically 5/16" wide > and 1/16" thick -- plenty big enough for 10 amps. For > comparison look at > the tabs on a 70 amp Maxi-Fuse -- about the same size. [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] > The real problem with high wattage headlights is that they > cause headlight > switches to die quickly. The solution is a headlight relay > which Painless > and others sell. From bens Thu Nov 7 20:37:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA81bhJ19995 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:37:43 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:37:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200211080137.gA81bhx19991@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: FW: Head lamps Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....somebody go stick a thermometer inside their headlight bucket...." What the H-E-double hockey sticks are you doing talking like that around this instrumentation geek! I even have a temperature probe for my multimeter. Now I'm going to have to attach the thermocouple to the back of the headlight bulb, and it's just cool enough an idea that I'll have to do it soon......THANKS A LOT! :^))) -Dave G. From bens Thu Nov 7 22:33:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA83X6920641 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 22:33:06 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 22:33:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200211080333.gA83X6G20637@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: It's not a Jeep Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- "John F. Hess, PhD" wrote: > BTW, I drove Stubby last weekend and of course got smiles > and thumbs > up from folks. I'm not really sure how to interpret > this, but I had > a guy ask "What year?". I replied 1960. He said "1860?" > I said no, > 1960. Do I have a speech problem? Does he think cars > were around > in 1860? Hey remember you do live in Davis! ;-0 Kidding! The really stupifd people live in Rippon..... ;-) Paul __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From bens Thu Nov 7 22:40:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA83equ20710 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 22:40:52 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 22:40:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200211080340.gA83eps20706@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "John F. Hess, PhD" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: re. Tranny Woes & Overdrive dies Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have the HRTC. Stop by Davis, you can drive it. cheers, >MO, >Buy the ROVERDRIVE and bring it to the NCRC holiday >party to show off! >Joemulqueen >'67 SIIA 109 SW > >Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:24:51 -0500 >From: "Hannaford, Morgan" > [ 18 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista, 2001 Merlin Extra Fat 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Thu Nov 7 23:22:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA84M7Y20970 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 23:22:07 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 23:22:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200211080422.gA84M6F20966@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Boy, did I ever screw up! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks, Was working on Gillian today: pulled the engine back out to install a new pilot shaft bushing (no reaming required), and a new input shaft oil seal (SIII gearbox), and put engine back, and finish the install. Well...you know how some vehicles have really really special hardware that you should never, ever, break, because it's really really hard to find replacements for them??? Guess what I did?........I was putting the fuel lines back onto the engine, and there's this special bolt that connects a banjo-type fuel fitting (with two fuel lines plumbed into it) to the output side of the low-pressure pump: one line from this fitting goes to the fuel filter, while the other connects the return line from the injector pump, and sends returned fuel re-circulating into the feed system. Anyway - I was connecting this fitting to the low-pressure pump, and I broke the bolt: AAAARRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!! ...and I was sooooooooo close to having a running Gillian today (as Janet sez, close only counts in Horseshoes, and hand grenades), but now, I have to search the Earth for another banjo bolt - unlike all the others in the system (I have a couple of spare injector pumps, filter assemblies, and such), this one has to be fine-threaded, and I don't know if it's SAE, Metric, of BSF - probably the latter! (hell, I don't even know what size it is!) Now is the time when it's bad to have one of only 6 or 7 diesel Land Rovers in California! Charles ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Thu Nov 7 23:30:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA84UmB21025 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 23:30:48 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 23:30:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200211080430.gA84Umk21021@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: It's not a Jeep Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...I always heard it was Dos Palos?.... Charles On Thu, 7 Nov 2002 22:33:06 -0500 Paul Archibald writes: > > > The really stupifd people live in Rippon..... ;-) ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Thu Nov 7 23:56:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA84uTT21167 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 23:56:29 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 23:56:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200211080456.gA84uTg21163@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Dunlop Radial Rover RT 7.5 x 16 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Blair, > My tire guy in San Rafael (Cain's, on 4th St) can get me four RTs in > 7.50R16 overnight from his distributor for $115. Some of you here > bought some recently-- what did you pay I paid $105ea, for mine at Tires Unlimited in Campbell. They were really nice and did a great job. I do have to say that he gave me a deal, he said if I sent folks down from the club he do the same deal. Cheers, Keith & Pam Shukait Northern California Rover Club Mendo-Reece List Digest Version Dormobile Owner Register 1997 Land Rover Discovery XD "YLLWJKT" 1969 Land Rover Series IIA ExMoD 109 Regular "Millie" 1967 Land Rover Series IIA NADA 6 Cylinder Dormobile "Indiana" From bens Fri Nov 8 01:24:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA86OhJ22921 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 01:24:43 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 01:24:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200211080624.gA86OhG22917@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Kdwiser@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: FW: Head lamps Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks Dave. I was just plotting how to sneak the Williams Sonoma digital meat thermometer out of the kitchen drawer and into a Hella H-4 drain-hole. You saved me the trouble of interpreting what "well-done" means--as well as my marriage. Do let us know! Kevan In a message dated 11/7/02 5:42:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, david.gomes@gambrobct.com writes: << Now I'm going to have to attach the thermocouple to the back of the headlight bulb, and it's just cool enough an idea that I'll have to do it soon......THANKS A LOT! >> From bens Fri Nov 8 02:44:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA87ihm23228 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 02:44:43 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 02:44:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200211080744.gA87ign23224@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: Year-of Manufacture license plates Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Regarding "Black Plates", I found this this on the web: "Section 5004.1 of the California Motor Vehicle Code is a "Year of Manufacture" (YOM) law that allows vintage cars to be registered to use vintage license plates. What cars can use vintage plates? The YOM law applies to 1962 and earlier cars. In 1963 California did its last full reissue of plates to all vehicles. Any vehicle first registered in California after 1962 has the correct, current tags. If your post-1962 car has something other than its original "model" year plates, then either it was brought into California as a used car or the registration lapsed on it at some time in the past. As far as I know, there is no way to get a black and yellow plate set registered on your 1963 through 1968 car if it does not currently have one." Here's what the code says: "5004.1. (a) An owner of any vehicle that is a 1962 or older model year vehicle may, after the requirements for the registration of the vehicle have been complied with and with the approval of the department, utilize license plates of this state with the date of year corresponding to the model year date when the vehicle was manufactured, if the model year date license plate is legible and serviceable, as determined by the department, in lieu of the license plates otherwise required by this code. The department may consult with an organization of old car hobbyists in determining whether the date of year of the license plate to be used corresponds to the model year date when the vehicle was manufactured." --------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance 1st month Free! Sign up today at: www.netzerolongdistance.com From bens Fri Nov 8 02:48:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA87mrA23266 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 02:48:53 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 02:48:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200211080748.gA87mrE23262@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: RE: Classic Car Insurance Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I called Grundy about insurance for the 109. Doh! They don't do 4x4s. Mo --------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance 1st month Free! Sign up today at: www.netzerolongdistance.com From bens Fri Nov 8 09:23:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA8EN1925680 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:23:01 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:23:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200211081423.gA8EN1O25676@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Boy, did I ever screw up! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Is there any way you can send a digital picture (off list) and maybe determine the pitch and diameter of the thread? The brake and fuel systems of the 120 are full of those things and I have a...well, it's actually a movie film can, full of spare fittings. I could take a shot at it if you think we could get close. Or you could check the bolts that mate the fuel lines to the float bowls on the SUs on the 150 I think you have in the yard somewhere....Might get lucky. Let me know. -Dave From bens Fri Nov 8 09:30:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA8EUGX25778 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:30:16 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:30:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200211081430.gA8EUGd25774@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: FW: Head lamps Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...plotting how to sneak the Williams Sonoma digital meat thermometer out of the kitchen drawer..." Aren't those things cool? My sister gave Cheryl one for Christmas last year. It's da bom for grilling (and it does read temp directly for those wondering...). No more wondering about the center of that tri-tip. :^) But, I like to eat the tri tip, so I keep the thermometer out of the antifreeze, diff oil, etc. :^) The one I got for the multimeter came out of a web site that Sun used to maintain to sell off out-of date equipment at bargain prices. I think that site is gone now, but I'm not sure. I have the link at home. -Dave G. From bens Fri Nov 8 10:34:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA8FYoc26671 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:34:50 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:34:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200211081534.gA8FYou26667@minbar.fourfold.org> From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: FW: Head lamps Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've been following this thread pretty casually, but wouldn't one of the little heat-sensing infrared guns be an easy way to confirm if the headlight contacts get hot enough to melt solder? Craig Kdwiser@aol.com wrote: > Thanks Dave. I was just plotting how to sneak the Williams Sonoma digital > meat thermometer out of the kitchen drawer and into a Hella H-4 drain-hole. > You saved me the trouble of interpreting what "well-done" means--as well as > my marriage. Do let us know! > > Kevan > > In a message dated 11/7/02 5:42:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, > david.gomes@gambrobct.com writes: [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Nov 8 10:57:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA8Fv8C27038 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:57:08 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:57:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200211081557.gA8Fv8p27034@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: FW: Head lamps Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...wouldn't one of the little heat-sensing infrared guns be an easy way to confirm if the headlight contacts get hot enough to melt solder?..." Main problem is they require line of sight, and I don't have line of sight to the bulb base when it's installed. Thermocouple can be installed, wires run to remote meter, and actual temperature read in working conditions without errors induced by disassembly prior to reading temps. Okay, that's the anal retentive engineer's response. Reality is, I don't have an IR gun in my garage (would be handy for exhaust diagnostics though), and I DO have a thermocouple probe. :^))) -Dave G. From bens Fri Nov 8 11:04:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA8G4g927090 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:04:42 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:04:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200211081604.gA8G4fY27086@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Clarke Williams To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: FW: Head lamps Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Maybe it is the plastic, Casey. But if so then Painless is selling really cheap headlight plugs. The Cole-Hersey plugs are phenolic and would easily stand 250F. Temps above that are unheard of within the engine compartment with exception of close to exhaust headers or a turbo. Typical automotive maximum design temp is 200F. If the terminals get hot enough to melt solder (even low temp eutectic solder) then you have a real problem ;-) clarke At 08:28 PM 11/7/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >Maybe the terminals melt due to heat rather than current? I've heard the >high power bulbs crack more often than normal because they get so hot. I >wouldn't doubt they get hot enough to melt insulation or the degrade the >plastic housing around a terminal. Solder melts at about 350-450F, do they >get that hot? I dunno, somebody go stick a thermometer inside their >headlight bucket. > >Perhaps improving ventilation into the engine compartment would help? [ 19 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Nov 8 11:04:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA8G4hs27105 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:04:43 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:04:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200211081604.gA8G4hI27101@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Clarke Williams To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Boy, did I ever screw up! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, That banjo bolt should be available from RN, Atlantic Brit or British Pacific, It is still available. clarke At 11:22 PM 11/7/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >Folks, > >Was working on Gillian today: pulled the engine back out to install a new >pilot shaft bushing (no reaming required), and a new input shaft oil seal >(SIII gearbox), and put engine back, and finish the install. > >Well...you know how some vehicles have really really special hardware >that you should never, ever, break, because it's really really hard to [ 32 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Nov 8 11:06:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA8G63427138 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:06:03 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:06:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200211081606.gA8G63O27134@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: FW: Head lamps Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I've been following this thread pretty casually, but wouldn't one of > the > little heat-sensing infrared guns be an easy way to confirm if the > headlight > contacts get hot enough to melt solder? This here feller named Heisenburg had somethin' to say 'bout your proposed methodology. The connector is sealed inside a steel enclosure with a glass lid. Even the opening for the wires has a rubber seal. Opening up the enclosure to take your measurement infrared measurement is going to affect your data. A thermocouple with wires snaked up with the the power leads though the grommet is you best bet for an accurate measurement. From bens Fri Nov 8 11:45:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA8GjXj27371 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:45:33 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:45:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200211081645.gA8GjXj27367@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Eric Schoenman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: FW: Head lamps Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org wheew, i'm glad i'm not the only geek out there with a thermocouple for my fluke. i missed the beginning part of this thread, but maybe the way these lamps are designed the dissipate a lot of heat towards the connector. or maybe the problems have been due to dirty terminals. a dirty terminal can create quite a bit of resistance and generate some heat. dunno.. Eric On Thursday, November 7, 2002, at 05:37 PM, Gomes, David wrote: > > "....somebody go stick a thermometer inside their headlight bucket...." > > What the H-E-double hockey sticks are you doing talking like that around > this instrumentation geek! I even have a temperature probe for my > multimeter. Now I'm going to have to attach the thermocouple to the > back of > the headlight bulb, and it's just cool enough an idea that I'll have to > do [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Nov 8 12:28:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA8HS6F27729 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 12:28:06 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 12:28:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200211081728.gA8HS6k27725@minbar.fourfold.org> From: StevHutch@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Alaskan Quake Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 15 lines filtered. ] A friend sent me this link, photos of the worst damaged road from the recent alaskan earthquake......The index is here: http://www.dot.state.ak.us/comm/denali_quake/index.html And this one is wild, talk about a serious articulation challenge: http://www.dot.state.ak.us/comm/denali_quake/pages/IMG_0128.htm Apparently a large 18 wheeler hit the first one and sheared off its front wheels/axle. Gulp..! - Steve H. From bens Fri Nov 8 12:33:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA8HXxb27780 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 12:33:59 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 12:33:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200211081733.gA8HXxN27776@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: tyre talk/RN Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks to all for your feedback on Dunlop RT pricing. After some deliberation I'm likely going with the Toyo M55 in 235/85R16-- if nothing else, Mendo needs some new data points given the recent or pending demise of the Cooper CTD, BFG Trac Edge, Dunlop RT... In other news, I'm pretty happy with how RN recently "made me whole" after a screw-up on their part a couple months ago-- they sent me a rebuilt Solex that was cr*p. Sent me another one that had a bent throttle lever but otherwise was great. They picked up overnight shipping for the replacement, the return shipping for the bad one and my core, and gave me a nice fat house credit for goodwill. Christmas may come early this year for Pershing or Trip... Cheers. From bens Fri Nov 8 13:05:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA8I5pO28095 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:05:51 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:05:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200211081805.gA8I5oX28091@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Boy, did I ever screw up! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Charles, How about the banjo bolt that holds the oil line that lubes the rocker arms. It's a fine thread. One in the block and one in the rear of the head. Should be a locatable item if that fits. Bob B At 08:22 PM 11/7/2002, you wrote: >Folks, > >Was working on Gillian today: pulled the engine back out to install a new >pilot shaft bushing (no reaming required), and a new input shaft oil seal >(SIII gearbox), and put engine back, and finish the install. > >Well...you know how some vehicles have really really special hardware >that you should never, ever, break, because it's really really hard to >find replacements for them??? [ 31 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Nov 8 13:05:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA8I5pK28102 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:05:51 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:05:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200211081805.gA8I5pJ28098@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: It's not a Jeep Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org What about people who would live in a town called Los Banos? Bob B At 08:30 PM 11/7/2002, you wrote: >...I always heard it was Dos Palos?.... > >Charles > >On Thu, 7 Nov 2002 22:33:06 -0500 Paul Archibald >writes: > > > > > > The really stupifd people live in Rippon..... ;-) [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Nov 8 13:23:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA8INdf28325 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:23:39 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:23:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200211081823.gA8INd128321@minbar.fourfold.org> From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Heisenberg Principal (was Re: FW: Head lamps Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TerriAnn, But perhaps Herr Heisenberg wouldn't be too concerned since the infrared gun will "see" through the steel, glass and rubber? I've got the ARB/IPF headlights with the 90/140 (or whatever they are) bulbs, and my recollection is that there's only a rubber boot surrounding the connector - well, the rubber boot and then the phenolic of the connector plug. But if Painless's is right (and I don't think they are) about the bulbs generating temps that will melt solder, I'd think the gun would register this. And - I only mentioned the infrared gun because lotsa DIY mechanics (such as myself) and shops have them, but how many people have thermocouples laying around? Craig TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > > I've been following this thread pretty casually, but wouldn't one of > > the > > little heat-sensing infrared guns be an easy way to confirm if the > > headlight > > contacts get hot enough to melt solder? > > This here feller named Heisenburg had somethin' to say 'bout your > proposed methodology. The connector is sealed inside a steel enclosure > with a glass lid. Even the opening for the wires has a rubber seal. [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Nov 8 13:27:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA8IR1B28360 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:27:01 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:27:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200211081827.gA8IR0V28356@minbar.fourfold.org> From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: FW: Head lamps Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, guess I was mistaken - there are folks out there with thermocouples laying around. You *could* also pull the bulb and connector socket out of the headlight assembly, turn on the high beams, then point the gun at it. Craig "Gomes, David" wrote: > "...wouldn't one of the little heat-sensing infrared guns be an easy way to > confirm if the headlight contacts get hot enough to melt solder?..." > > Main problem is they require line of sight, and I don't have line of sight > to the bulb base when it's installed. Thermocouple can be installed, wires > run to remote meter, and actual temperature read in working conditions > without errors induced by disassembly prior to reading temps. > > Okay, that's the anal retentive engineer's response. Reality is, I don't [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Nov 8 15:04:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA8K4VI29213 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:04:31 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:04:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200211082004.gA8K4Vp29209@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Isaac Fain To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Heisenberg Principal (was Re: FW: Head lamps Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ermmm . . . i'm having a problem seeing how any of this directly relates to particle-wave duality, or the "uncertainty" portion of Heisenberg's well known principle - a word of which is missing from the title of this here email. it's a pleasure to know he's still thought of in this day and age, however. one of my child-hood hero's. now black body radiation - here we might be getting somewhere ;) cheers, isaac / seattle --- craig reece wrote: > > TerriAnn, > > But perhaps Herr Heisenberg wouldn't be too concerned since the infrared > gun will "see" through the steel, glass and rubber? > > I've got the ARB/IPF headlights with the 90/140 (or whatever they are) > bulbs, and my recollection is that there's only a rubber boot surrounding > the connector - well, the rubber boot and then the phenolic of the [ 23 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From bens Fri Nov 8 15:18:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA8KILU29328 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:18:21 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:18:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200211082018.gA8KIL529324@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bruce Grove To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Heisenberg Principal (was Re: FW: Head lamps Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The priciple has found a good home in the software engineering world, we used it a lot to explain some of the low level diagnostic problems we had with fault tolerant computing, in particular the act of adding code to try and isolate a problem often changes the underlying chracteristic you're trying to find and you therefore have moved the goalpost and parameters, very frutstrating :-) Bruce Isaac Fain wrote: > > ermmm . . . i'm having a problem seeing how any of this directly relates to > particle-wave duality, or the "uncertainty" portion of Heisenberg's well known > principle - a word of which is missing from the title of this here email. > > it's a pleasure to know he's still thought of in this day and age, however. > one of my child-hood hero's. > > now black body radiation - here we might be getting somewhere ;) [ 21 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- Bruce Grove Sun Microsystems Inc. Solaris Networking Technology 901 San Antonio Road, UMPK17-202 Tel: +1 (650) 786 5092 (x 85092) Palo Alto Fax: +1 (650) 786 5896 CA, 94303-4900, US From bens Fri Nov 8 15:47:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA8Kliw29525 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:47:44 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:47:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200211082047.gA8Klia29521@minbar.fourfold.org> From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Heisenberg Principal (was Re: FW: Head lamps Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Issac, Well, I'm not a physicist, but I think Heisenberg was describing the difficulty of repeating the same experiment, given the ever-changing nature of the environment in which one is conducting the experiment - and he included the presence of the observer in the variables. The Buddhists have a saying about never being able to cross the same river twice that sort of sums it up. If I weren't 15 mins. late for an appointment, I'd Google it and see if I've got my head totally up my butt, or only partially. Craig Isaac Fain wrote: > ermmm . . . i'm having a problem seeing how any of this directly relates to > particle-wave duality, or the "uncertainty" portion of Heisenberg's well known > principle - a word of which is missing from the title of this here email. > > it's a pleasure to know he's still thought of in this day and age, however. > one of my child-hood hero's. > > now black body radiation - here we might be getting somewhere ;) > [ 20 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Nov 8 15:49:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA8KnLa29544 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:49:21 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:49:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200211082049.gA8KnLV29540@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Isaac Fain To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Heisenberg Principal (was Re: FW: Head lamps Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org now Bruce - I'm really interested to see how Schroedinger's Cat fits into all of this LOL -isaac --- Bruce Grove wrote: > > > The priciple has found a good home in the software engineering world, we > used it a lot to explain some of the low level diagnostic problems we had > with fault tolerant computing, in particular the act of adding code to try > and isolate a problem often changes the underlying chracteristic you're > trying to find and you therefore have moved the goalpost and parameters, > very frutstrating :-) > [ 20 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From bens Fri Nov 8 17:46:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA8Mk4c30274 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:46:04 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:46:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200211082246.gA8Mk4w30270@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Heisenberg Principal (was Re: FW: Head lamps Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....I'm really interested to see how Schroedinger's Cat fits into all of this..." Isn't that the cat that came up missing when they tried to do the weatherproof-ness test on the 2A? :^) -Dave G. From bens Fri Nov 8 19:29:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA90TNt30871 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:29:23 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:29:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200211090029.gA90TN930867@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: FW: Head lamps Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Well, guess I was mistaken - there are folks out there with > thermocouples > laying around. Well of course you silly! heck even I have a dedicated temperature meter that uses thermocouples. Gosh i just thought every body had one 8*) Where have you been that you don't have one?? From bens Fri Nov 8 21:18:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA92ISW31376 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 21:18:28 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 21:18:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200211090218.gA92ISQ31372@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Lou Weinert" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Heisenberg Principal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org

I used the Heisenberg on a man who was choking on a ham sandwich. It may work on headlights too.

-Lou Weinert


MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. From bens Fri Nov 8 21:25:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA92PkW31428 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 21:25:46 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 21:25:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200211090225.gA92Pk231424@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Lou Weinert" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Charles going to Milw... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org



>From: Charles R Irvin

>Whilst there, we went to Navy Pier in Chicago, and stopped at the Billy
>Goat Cafe,
>Charles
>

Triple is best!!

-Lou Weinert (still catching up)


MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. From bens Fri Nov 8 22:39:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA93dKT31817 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:39:20 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:39:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200211090339.gA93dJE31813@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: unsubscribe/subscribe mendo list Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi- I would like to use my new email address for Mendo list subscription. Could anyone please post the link for unsubscribe/subscribe for me? Thanks a lot. Charles _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From bens Fri Nov 8 22:48:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA93muF31881 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:48:56 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:48:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200211090348.gA93muP31877@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: picking up 109 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I picked up the red '67 109" yesterday and get transfered. Sadly it's been raining badly these two days so it's got wet and covered by leaves by now. The next thing I am going to do is probably to get new front seat bottoms and, a new set of suspensions so my girlfriend wouldn't get shocked:) I am trying to find close-to-elephant hide material for the front seat bases, but no luck yet. the only thing I can get is BP's bases but they cost $89 each peice. Any suggestion? Thanks. Charles _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From bens Sat Nov 9 00:08:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA958DO32559 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 00:08:13 -0500 Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 00:08:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200211090508.gA958Cc32555@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Eric Schoenman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: unsubscribe/subscribe mendo list Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/enriched; ] [ 51 lines filtered. ] --Apple-Mail-5-529243855 charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Charles, http://www.fourfold.org/mendo_recce/membership.html there's also reference to it in the norcalrover.org under the links section http://www.norcalrover.org/links.html Eric On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 07:39 PM, charles chuan-chen phu wrote: > > Hi- > > I would like to use my new email address for Mendo list subscription. > Could > anyone please post the link for unsubscribe/subscribe for me? Thanks a > lot. > > Charles [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Eric --Apple-Mail-5-529243855 From bens Sat Nov 9 02:11:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA97BjJ01842 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 02:11:45 -0500 Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 02:11:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200211090711.gA97BjC01838@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: RE: Charles- broken diesel unobtanium Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, I bet Gord'n Perrott might have a spare. He loves Rover diesels (drives a 107 diesel!) I can never remember if he's in Seattle or Portland but maybe someone on the list has his phone number. I have his email address if you want it. Mo --------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance 1st month Free! Sign up today at: www.netzerolongdistance.com From bens Sat Nov 9 03:02:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA982Xw02054 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 03:02:33 -0500 Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 03:02:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200211090802.gA982Xx02050@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: RE: unsubscribe/subscribe mendo list Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 25 lines filtered. ] All the info about subscribing and unsubscribing to Mendo (as well as much else) is located in the FAQ section of the NCRC website: http://www.norcalrover.org/faq.html jpipes From bens Sat Nov 9 03:43:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA98hMh02497 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 03:43:22 -0500 Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 03:43:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200211090843.gA98hM102493@minbar.fourfold.org> From: SFmms@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Heisenberg etc., broken diff, and Italian sports cars Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 12 lines filtered. ] With all this talk about physics principles, how can you ever be certain? :) Down to only two Rovers now, the SIIa had a spider gear fail in the rear differential. Was able to drive it with no problems as long as I didn't make any turns at more than 5 mph. Was able to stop on the way home and have the oil changed to get out large bits, recovering a single tooth. Dropped the rear diff assembly out last weekend and saw that the offending gear had cracked completely down the middle. Took it to Pat Young and he will set it up with a new Detroit Locker from GB to replace the factory LR auto locking diff since parts are NLA. I will put it back in with hardened 24 spline axles also from GB Rovers. Anyone know anything about Italian sports cars by a company called Siata? A guy in my neighborhood has two small yellow sports coupes that I identified as Saita Spring models after looking at the badge on one and doing a web search. Look like neat vehicles, only 3500 were made and only about 350 or so remain. Karen Sindir '74 SIII 88 Red Rufy '66 SIIa 88 Barbaros :( '95 Disco EFE From bens Sat Nov 9 03:51:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA98pSi02545 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 03:51:28 -0500 Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 03:51:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200211090851.gA98pSR02541@minbar.fourfold.org> From: SFmms@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #894 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 10 lines filtered. ] Steve writes: > A friend sent me this link, photos of the worst damaged road from the recent > > alaskan earthquake..... We were on vacation driving down this same road in an RV this past August. Boy we were we lucky with the timing. Karen Sindir From bens Sat Nov 9 08:31:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA9DVuU03726 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 08:31:56 -0500 Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 08:31:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200211091331.gA9DVtL03722@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: picking up 109 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I am trying to find close-to-elephant hide material for the front seat > bases, but no luck yet. the only thing I can get is BP's bases but > they cost > $89 each peice. Any suggestion? Thanks. As far as I know the gray seats BP carries (Exmoor trim manufactured) are the only brand of gray elephant hide like seats and interior trim commercially available today. The good news is that the seats are well made and they should provide many years of service. Your other option is to go to an auto upholstry shop, pick out a material that you like the best and pay them to recover the seats for you. Or you can learn a new trade. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Sat Nov 9 12:29:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA9HTCT04755 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 12:29:12 -0500 Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 12:29:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200211091729.gA9HTCg04751@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Charles- broken diesel unobtanium Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Charles, I bet Gord'n Perrott might have a spare. > He loves Rover diesels (drives a 107 diesel!) > I can never remember if he's in Seattle or Portland Haven't seen a response yet so: Seattle 206 361 7002 gordnsea@aol.com He is on vacation so wait till mid-end week or just send email. He is great about returning email. He has a series I 109 PU diesel and his wife has a coiled 88 with a 2.5 na diesel. Another guy that really likes diesels and works on em is Doug Shipman at Ships Mechanical in Portland OR. 503 252 5566 Pete From bens Sat Nov 9 12:57:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA9Hvq404918 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 12:57:52 -0500 Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 12:57:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200211091757.gA9Hvqv04914@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: picking up 109 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org As long as they are looking alike and durable, it'd be good candidate. Perhaps I'll just try one of them first. if it comes out great I'll get more. So luckily the front seat bases are only items that need recover in the entire interior. all the other seats and upholstery are in great shape. Charles >From: TeriAnn Wakeman >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: picking up 109 >Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 08:31:55 -0500 > > > I am trying to find close-to-elephant hide material for the front seat > > bases, but no luck yet. the only thing I can get is BP's bases but > > they cost [ 20 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From bens Sat Nov 9 16:42:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gA9LgbU06329 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:42:37 -0500 Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:42:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200211092142.gA9LgbR06325@minbar.fourfold.org> From: CHRISBONIN@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Need info on a 1959 Series IIA (right hand drive) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello everyone, I am one of the silent readers, been on the list for a couple of years and I just sold my 88RR. Now I found a 1959 Series IIA right hand drive. I am going to look at it this Wednesday in Sonoma. Its a friends of mine and he has had it parked in Sonoma for the past three years. So as I try to find out information (I am never owned an old series before) so I am asking for what to look for, good and bad, comments, any one that owns one on the list. Are you comments are welcome. Thanks Chris aka..moosedaddy From bens Sat Nov 9 19:50:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAA0oP407156 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 19:50:25 -0500 Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 19:50:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200211100050.gAA0oOj07152@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Need info on a 1959 Series IIA (right hand drive) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Chris, 59 is a Series2 not a S2A. The S2A started around 1963. The earliest S2's RHD (maybe even some LHD) quite often had a 2.0L (leftover S1 engine) instead of the usual 2.25L. I don't think I would want one with a 2.0L. The 2.25 is barely strong enough. You can tell the difference by the manifolds, The 2.25 has both on one side as in overhead valves. The 2.0 is an "F" head and has the intake valves in the head and the exhaust valves in the block. So the manifolds are on opposite sides of the engine. Of course the S2 2.25 has different sized rod bearings that are almost unobtainable, and a water pump that also is unobtainable and very expensive when found. But, maybe this one has had a S2A 2.25 transplanted into it by now. If it is a 2.25, The engine id number can help identify it plus the number of bolts in the water pump. . Good luck, Bob B At 01:42 PM 11/9/2002, you wrote: >Hello everyone, > >I am one of the silent readers, been on the list for a couple of years and I >just sold my 88RR. Now I found a 1959 Series IIA right hand drive. I am >going to look at it this Wednesday in Sonoma. Its a friends of mine and he >has had it parked in Sonoma for the past three years. > >So as I try to find out information (I am never owned an old series before) >so I am asking for what to look for, good and bad, comments, any one that [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Nov 9 22:11:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAA3BhT07773 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 22:11:43 -0500 Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 22:11:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200211100311.gAA3BhJ07769@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re II : Need info on a 1959 Series IIA (right hand drive) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Again Chris, In addition to my previous email, there are the usual things to look out for, Starting with rust in the frame. If the truck ever lived back east (in the rust belt). The rear crossmember under the tailgate can be really rotted as can the front frame horns where the bumper bolts on. I bought a New Yorker years ago for parts mostly, and it was dangerous to use a tow bar because the bumper was ready to pull off. The outriggers that support the firewall. The firewall footwells. The outrigger that supports the fuel tank. Oh yea, the fuel tank also will rust out between the tank and skid plate and leak. Hopefully this truck is a Californian! Bob B At 01:42 PM 11/9/2002, you wrote: >Hello everyone, > >I am one of the silent readers, been on the list for a couple of years and I >just sold my 88RR. Now I found a 1959 Series IIA right hand drive. I am >going to look at it this Wednesday in Sonoma. Its a friends of mine and he >has had it parked in Sonoma for the past three years. > >So as I try to find out information (I am never owned an old series before) >so I am asking for what to look for, good and bad, comments, any one that [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Nov 9 22:41:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAA3fh007946 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 22:41:43 -0500 Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 22:41:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200211100341.gAA3fgH07942@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Becoming one with the diesel Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks, Just got back from a somewhat major road trip: Didn't even think of checking the oil feed bolts to see if the were the same(!!), BUT, it was a worthwhile journey that I have completed all the same. After checking with a record number of parts houses between Visalia and Calexico - and getting laughed at many times in the process, I came across a bright light that crossed my path, and it said unto me, "Charles, if you wish to find eternal happiness and become one with the diesel, you must make a journey to Phoenix, where you will meet a great sorcerer, and he will direct you unto the path that you seek." And so it was, I made a journey to Phoenix, and met with the sorcerer, and I was taught the ways of the diesel, and the intricacies of the Injector pump, and upon completion of my enlightenment, I was given a gift to behold - a bolt: the ONLY one of its kind to be found anywhere in the southwest. And it was then, that I was sent back to California with the message that diesel is still good. The world is now a better place, and I am at peace within it. TRANSLATION: I called every f*$&%@g diesel engine shop in a 300 mile diameter - no joy. So, I went to see a friend near the border that used to toy with diesel Land Rovers: he had 4 of these bolts - 3 broken, the 4th was cracked. So, he gave me the number of a place in Phoenix that still services Lucas/CAV diesel fuel systems, told them what I needed - they had one! I drove there, they gave it to me for free, along with 2 shiny new copper washers. While there, I asked them how to adjust the fuel/air mixture on the DPA injector pump, and they took me into their shop, and showed me - no special tools required, and it can be done simply by eye-balling it! They even had a dozen or so of them lying about in pieces - injectors too! (they had a REALLY cool CAV poster on the wall of their shop: an exploded view of a DPA injector pump!) Seems they (Lucas/CAV) went Metric @ 1980, so this bolt a rare beast indeed" 1/2 inch diameter, fine thread. Even Earle's Performance doesn't carry them that size! I called BP first - they laughed at me for presuming they'd have any such diesel parts! I must have called a good hundred shops, and visited another 50 or so. The CASE and Perkins dealers could come up with an idential one to what I needed, but it was Metric. I have about 15 of these bolts in the garage, but they're either coarse thread, Metric, or simply the wrong size (MGB fuel pumps use a couple of these things, but they're much larger). Anyway - now I can finish putting Gillian back together...soon as it stops raining... :) Charles ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Sat Nov 9 23:17:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAA4HNA08158 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 23:17:23 -0500 Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 23:17:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200211100417.gAA4HMN08154@minbar.fourfold.org> From: CHRISBONIN@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Re II : Need info on a 1959 Series IIA (right hand drive) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bob, Thank you very much for the information and I will let you know what the outcome is on Wednesday. Chris From bens Sat Nov 9 23:22:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAA4MXb08207 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 23:22:33 -0500 Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 23:22:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200211100422.gAA4MWN08203@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: Need info on a 1959 Series IIA (right hand drive) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bob wrote: > The earliest S2's RHD (maybe even some LHD) quite often had a 2.0L > (leftover S1 engine) instead of the usual 2.25L. I don't think that there were any '59 models with the 2.0-liter engine. I think that ended some time in the '58 model year. I would say that its being RHD probably diminishes the value, compared with LHD models. Unless you particularly fancy the greater level of Britishness of RHD. Series II models originally had a funky exhaust manifold that has the exit pointing *up* with the exhaust pipe exiting a hole in the side of the inner wing, into the wheel well and down. In almost all cases, by now, the manifold will have been replaced by the IIA style that exits downward, with the pipe staying in the engine compartment until it turns toward the back, to pass under the foot well. If it's really a Series II, it will still have the hole in the inner wing panel, although in rare cases it will have had a homemade panel of sheet metal added to block it. If it has the down-exiting manifold and no evidence of a present or former exit hole in the inner wing panel (right near the top), then I'd suspect that it's not actually a '59. I am picturing the LHD model when I describe the above but don't think that its being RHD would change it. Granny If it's petty, don't sweat it. If it's sweaty, don't pet it. From bens Sat Nov 9 23:29:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAA4TpV08242 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 23:29:51 -0500 Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 23:29:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200211100429.gAA4To308238@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Need info on a 1959 Series IIA (right hand drive) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Do you mean a 1969 S2A or a 1959 S2? If a S2, you should go by Mehdi's and take a look at his S2? He has one of the early model US vehicle. Frank ------------------------------------- CHRISBONIN@aol.com wrote: >... >So as I try to find out information (I am never owned an old series before) >so I am asking for what to look for, good and bad, comments, any one that >owns one on the list. > From bens Sun Nov 10 09:04:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAAE4Nv12367 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 09:04:23 -0500 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 09:04:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200211101404.gAAE4NL12363@minbar.fourfold.org> From: CHRISBONIN@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Need info on a 1959 Series IIA (right hand drive) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 5 lines filtered. ] I have been told its a 1959 S2A. Is there a S2A in 1959? Chris From bens Sun Nov 10 10:49:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAAFnpr12901 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:49:51 -0500 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:49:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200211101549.gAAFnoe12897@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Need info on a 1959 Series IIA (right hand drive) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org No, in 59 just S2. S2A started in 62or 63. Bob B At 06:04 AM 11/10/2002, you wrote: > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] > [ 5 lines filtered. ] > > >I have been told its a 1959 S2A. Is there a S2A in 1959? > >Chris From bens Sun Nov 10 10:56:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAAFuU812982 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:56:30 -0500 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:56:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200211101556.gAAFuUN12978@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Need info on a 1959 Series IIA (right hand drive) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yes granny, But The RHD's were usually sold in England, and I read that the 2.0 was used for a bit longer in them longer than the LHD's sent elsewhere. So I just gave mention as information or a caution. Bob B At 08:22 PM 11/9/2002, you wrote: >Bob wrote: > > > The earliest S2's RHD (maybe even some LHD) quite often had a 2.0L > > (leftover S1 engine) instead of the usual 2.25L. > >I don't think that there were any '59 models with the 2.0-liter engine. I >think that ended some time in the '58 model year. > >I would say that its being RHD probably diminishes the value, compared with [ 20 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Nov 10 11:15:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAAGFnf13101 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:15:49 -0500 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:15:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200211101615.gAAGFn713097@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Need info on a 1959 Series IIA (right hand drive) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org nope. get the serial number and email me, I can look up what it is supposed to be. But, as granny posted, the exhaust can be changed, the engine can be changed, and so on. If it's in Napa, I would advise you to get a series owner to come along. Ask the list for a volunteer. cheers, On Sunday, November 10, 2002, at 06:04 AM, CHRISBONIN@aol.com wrote: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] > [ 5 lines filtered. ] > > > I have been told its a 1959 S2A. Is there a S2A in 1959? > > Chris [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Nov 10 11:16:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAAGGid13116 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:16:44 -0500 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:16:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200211101616.gAAGGio13112@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Holiday party the 14th, right? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi all, The NCRC single page calendar that came in the mail yesterday says the Holiday party is Dec 6. BUt previous email and the NCRC web page say its the 14th. It is the 14th, right? From bens Sun Nov 10 11:17:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAAGHZN13131 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:17:35 -0500 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:17:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200211101617.gAAGHYV13127@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Need info on a 1959 Series IIA (right hand drive) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Chris - long time no talk.... '59 was the cutoff year for the Series II, so AFAIK it could be either one: usually, big round knobs that rurn to open the bulkhead vents are indicative of a Series II (I had a '59 SII 88" once). If it is in fact a SII, no need to worry about the engine bearings - they're P4 Sedan: the water pump, on the other hand, gets tricky: you can replace the timing cover to use a IIA, but then the cylinder head gets in the way.. Charles On Sun, 10 Nov 2002 09:04:23 -0500 CHRISBONIN@aol.com writes: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] > [ 5 lines filtered. ] > > > I have been told its a 1959 S2A. Is there a S2A in 1959? > > Chris [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Sun Nov 10 13:44:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAAIiDr14038 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 13:44:13 -0500 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 13:44:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200211101844.gAAIiDZ14034@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: Mendo list Subject: OT: Road and Track Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Does anyone happen to have copies of the March and April 1994 issues of Road and Track? Email me off list at jhoward@sextans.lowell.edu. James From bens Sun Nov 10 13:50:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAAIoRn14085 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 13:50:27 -0500 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 13:50:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200211101850.gAAIoRY14081@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: FW: Head lamps Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 19 lines filtered. ] In a message dated 11/6/02 8:22:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, Kerner@vegmail.ucdavis.edu writes: > I'm sorry, but we do not advise on aftermarket headlights. All of our > kits are designed for stock headlight bulbs. We have found that the high > watt bulbs are too much for the terminals in the headlight pigtail. We > have not found a cure for this problem. The wiring is not the problem, > it is the metal terminal inside the plug will not handle the amps for > the high watt bulbs. Joe > > If one were to look at this from the jaundiced point of view of a self confessed geek like me, I'd guess that they (Painless) were trying to avoid responsibility for Billy Bob, and his cousins who are busy using old string and glitter as the main components for their wiring repairs and modifications. If one was concerned about this I'd guess that wiring two of them into the socket to use one for a spare after your "Ohmydatzbrite!" tm lamps burn the first connector up would be a fine trick. Zack From bens Sun Nov 10 14:13:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAAJDrV14285 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:13:53 -0500 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:13:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200211101913.gAAJDqG14281@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Heisenberg Principal (was Re: FW: Head lamps Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 16 lines filtered. ] In a message dated 11/8/02 2:47:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, david.gomes@gambrobct.com writes: > "....I'm really interested to see how Schroedinger's Cat fits into all > of this..." > > Isn't that the cat that came up missing when they tried to do the > weatherproof-ness test on the 2A? :^) > > I thought it might be, but I didn't know that cat was still alive. Zack "I've got that box around here somewhere" Arbios From bens Sun Nov 10 14:40:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAAJeaw14474 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:40:36 -0500 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:40:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200211101940.gAAJeZN14470@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: OT: Road and Track Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I might - but they're already boxed up and ready to be moved north - probably not to be un-earthed for a few months. ...along with the first 3-4 years of Automobile, several years' worth of Sports Car Illustrated (later Sports Car International), Classic & Sportscar, Mini World, LRO, LRM, LRW, Performance Car, Racecar Engineering, On Track, Soldier of Fortune, International Combat Arms, Forbes, Superman, Justice League of America, Fantastic Four, Armada, Art & Antiques... The list goes on...(I've packed 4 boxes of clothing, and 20 boxes of reading material!) Let me know at that time if you're still looking. Charles On Sun, 10 Nov 2002 13:44:13 -0500 James Howard writes: > > > Does anyone happen to have copies of the March and April 1994 issues > of > Road and Track? > > Email me off list at jhoward@sextans.lowell.edu. > > James [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Sun Nov 10 20:55:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAB1t2s16476 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:55:02 -0500 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:55:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200211110155.gAB1t2C16472@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "G. Mugele" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Need info on a 1959 Series IIA (right hand drive) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >If it's in Napa, I would advise you to get a series owner to come >along. Ask the list for a volunteer. > I spose I'm the most likely volunteer even though I am no longer bouncing along with the leafers. If it is in Sonoma Valley I could check it almost any day but probably at some odd hour. Lemme know. Gerry Mugele From bens Sun Nov 10 21:27:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAB2RgK16612 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:27:42 -0500 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:27:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200211110227.gAB2Rfw16608@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: RE: tyre talk/RN Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 24 lines filtered. ] Blair, I am getting the same thing. Localy they are asking 155, on the net I saw them for 120 without shipping. Drop me a line and I can tell you more. Mehdi From bens Sun Nov 10 22:02:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAB32Sf16817 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:02:28 -0500 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:02:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200211110302.gAB32Ri16807@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Boy, did I ever screw up! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bob, I never thought of that bolt! However, I did pull one today (just for giggles), and it's a 3/8ths diameter, instead of a 1/2-inch. Good try, though. Charles On Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:05:50 -0500 Bob & Sue Bernard writes: > > Hi Charles, > How about the banjo bolt that holds the oil line that lubes the > rocker > arms. It's a fine thread. > One in the block and one in the rear of the head. > Should be a locatable item if that fits. ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Sun Nov 10 22:02:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAB32Sb16818 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:02:28 -0500 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:02:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200211110302.gAB32RH16810@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Charles- broken diesel unobtanium Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks for the numbers, Pete! I'll keep the two of 'em in mind for future stuff. I have all the plumbing in the truck now: I only need to get some oil, antifreeze, and fire her up! I did see something bad today...water in the old fuel filter. This could have kept the rebuilt engine from running, aside from the valve timing being off. (IF the valve timing is off...) I may end up trying to remove the drain plug from the main tank, and see what comes out. ...hope I didn't fill that tank! Charles On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 12:29:12 -0500 "Peter Hope" writes: > > > Charles, I bet Gord'n Perrott might have a spare. > > He loves Rover diesels (drives a 107 diesel!) > > I can never remember if he's in Seattle or Portland > > Haven't seen a response yet so: > Seattle 206 361 7002 gordnsea@aol.com > He is on vacation so wait till mid-end week or just send email. He > is great [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Mon Nov 11 00:29:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAB5Tae18722 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:29:36 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:29:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200211110529.gAB5TaM18718@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Need info on a 1959 Series IIA (right hand drive) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org CHRISBONIN@aol.com wrote: > >I have been told its a 1959 S2A. Is there a S2A in 1959? > No. The S2 started in 1958 and some books say the S2A started as early as 1961. Frank From bens Mon Nov 11 01:14:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAB6EAp19042 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 01:14:10 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 01:14:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200211110614.gAB6EAF19038@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: NCRC's website is temporarily down Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org FYI, NCRC's site, www.norcalrover.org, is temporarily down while Jeff Rogers works out some issues with the url. The site should be back online shortly. jpipes From bens Mon Nov 11 12:56:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gABHu7t23868 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:56:07 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:56:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200211111756.gABHu7l23864@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Casey McMullen" To: Subject: FW: NYTimes.com Article: A Ride That's Old, Rough and Ready Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A friend sent me this New York Times article. Check out the quoted price for a 2a. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/08/travel/escapes/08AUTO.html?ex=1037849788&ei=1&en=eeb9074d2c6971fb If you have trouble opening this link, copy all the parts of it (from http to 71fb) and paste them separately into the location box on your web browser. -Casey From bens Mon Nov 11 13:27:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gABIR7U24038 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:27:07 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:27:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200211111827.gABIR7o24034@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: FW: NYTimes.com Article: A Ride That's Old, Rough and Ready Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >A friend sent me this New York Times article. Check out the quoted >price for a 2a. > >http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/08/travel/escapes/08AUTO.html?ex=1037849788&ei=1&en=eeb9074d2c6971fb > > >If you have trouble opening this link, copy all the parts of it >(from http to 71fb) and paste them separately into the location box >on your web browser. [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] I used to live about 2 blocks from the Toyota place mentioned in the ad. TLC 4x4. They are the "East Coast Rovers" of the Toyota world. Amazing resto work... You would have to see one of their trucks to believe the work that they turn out. Back to slowly plugging away at my project... RW -- Blaming Guns for Crime is Like Blaming Spoons for Rosie O'Donnell Being Fat From bens Mon Nov 11 14:02:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gABJ2Gt24289 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:02:16 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:02:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200211111902.gABJ2F724285@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: FW: NYTimes.com Article: A Ride That's Old, Rough and Ready Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200211111756.gABHu7l23864@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > A friend sent me this New York Times article. Check out the quoted price for > a 2a. > > http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/08/travel/escapes/08AUTO.html?ex=1037849788&ei >=1&en=eeb9074d2c6971fb And who do they quote. Charles Kellogg. No wonder they think the price is $30k for a IIA. Ben From bens Mon Nov 11 14:48:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gABJmLK24768 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:48:21 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:48:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200211111948.gABJmKT24764@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Re: Need info on a 1959 Series IIA (right hand drive) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I could drive over from Cotati with my SIIA but in a few days I'll be in Socal for 1 wk. Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:55:02 -0500 From: "G. Mugele" Subject: Re: Need info on a 1959 Series IIA (right hand drive) >If it's in Napa, I would advise you to get a series owner to come >along. Ask the list for a volunteer. > I spose I'm the most likely volunteer even though I am no longer bouncing along with the leafers. If it is in Sonoma Valley I could check it almost any day but probably at some odd hour. Lemme know. Gerry Mugele __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From bens Mon Nov 11 14:55:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gABJtte24835 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:55:55 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:55:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200211111955.gABJttS24831@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: LR things in paper Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Seen in SJ Merc: Disco safari rack, $950, 831-423-6100 Seen in Big 5 Sunday adv: "Land Rover" logo boat shoes, $25 Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From bens Mon Nov 11 15:24:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gABKOeD25095 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:24:40 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:24:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200211112024.gABKOeU25091@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: recent sightings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Petra and I were driving around this weekend looking for a work/live space and spotted the following Rovers. In Burlingame, a teal/blue Series 88 w/ hardtop (couldn't tell what series). In Brisbane, *TWO* white D90 hardtops, both parked in different areas. In the Sausalito hills/sunbelt area, a stone yellow colored Series II 88, we've mentioned seeing this one before. Also in Sausalito spotted that stretched Defender, something along the lines of a D147. It is now painted entirely silver. Still has an NCRC sticker in the rear window! We also ran into Casey McMullen and his girlfriend Linda, but alas they were not in a Rover. (Gossip, they're having Linda's parents drive her new Dormie to the Bay!) At least 5 D90's just driving around. Also have been spotting two XD Disco's in the Marina a lot Back sometime ago on the weekend of October 17th-18th when I was in the Sierra's hunting for fall colors I ran into a Belgian couple driving their early model ex-Belgian police D110 across the country. They've been around the world many times and it was very exciting to meet them! We chatted for sometime before parting ways. I took a bunch of digital pics in case anyone is interested. They had a wonderful emblem painted on the side of their door, it was a camel made out of the letters P-I-S-T-E, Piste, which means dirt road in Belgian, so he told me. jpipes From bens Mon Nov 11 15:42:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gABKgYD25261 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:42:34 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:42:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200211112042.gABKgYg25257@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Gillian... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...Is almost a runner! Just a few more bolts, and... Dave Gomes: Remember that temp gauge fitting on the cylinder head that you kept when we removed the engine? Can you give me the dims on that puppy? I tried to remove the plug on my other head, but it seems to be fused to the block! I figure if I have to buy a fitting, I may as well get the temp gauge hooked up for once. Thanks, Charles ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Mon Nov 11 15:45:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gABKjpH25294 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:45:51 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:45:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200211112045.gABKjps25290@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: recent sightings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason!!!!!!! Was this the truck that had a map of the world painted on the side of it????? If so, this is the truck my girlfriend and I tried many times to flag down in Visalia, but wouldn't catch up to them! Charles On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:24:40 -0500 "Jason Pipes" writes: > > Sierra's hunting for fall colors I ran into a Belgian couple driving > their > early model ex-Belgian police D110 across the country. They've been > around > the world many times and it was very exciting to meet them! We > chatted for > sometime before parting ways. I took a bunch of digital pics in case > anyone [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Mon Nov 11 15:54:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gABKsto25338 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:54:55 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:54:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200211112054.gABKssY25334@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: RE: recent sightings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 36 lines filtered. ] Charles, no, this was a blue 3 door early model D110 and the only thing it had on the door was the mentioned emblem of the camel made from the letters for the Belgian word "Piste". No world map. What color was the truck you guys were trying to spot? jpipes From bens Mon Nov 11 16:18:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gABLIih25511 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:18:44 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:18:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200211112118.gABLIiF25507@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: My Rover shop-day Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Today was the day that I decided to go into the top of my V8 - checking for a possible head gasket leak. Well, it's 1pm, and I'm finally loosening the first set of head bolts. getting all the ancillary stuff off has been a grand adventure so far, and I found that pesky leak in my air conditioning system, need to get a new hose made (hello R-134 conversion in the Spring)! Now off with its head(s)! Jon From bens Mon Nov 11 16:34:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gABLYnd25613 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:34:49 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:34:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200211112134.gABLYnV25609@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: Sunday Drive Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cynthia, Crystal, and I went for a Sunday drive up the Capay valley and ate lunch next to Bear Creek. We mooed at the cows, and they ran...Bear valley road was pretty moist, but the creek was barely there. Obviously most of this rain soaked in. We then ran up the road to the crest that goes to Indian Valley Reservoir. Here we encountered some more mud. From there we turned around and headed home. Were trying to condition Crystal so she can drive in the car for longer periods. So far 3 hours is about where she starts to complain. Its been since April that I was at Mendo, it felt nice just getting close. -Rob From bens Mon Nov 11 16:59:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gABLxYD25810 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:59:34 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:59:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200211112159.gABLxY025806@minbar.fourfold.org> From: CHRISBONIN@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Need info on a 1959 Series IIA (right hand drive) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On wednesday I will give you more input after I drive it back from Sonoma. He is going to let me use it for a couple of days. Thanks for the information everyone. Chris From bens Mon Nov 11 17:02:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gABM2jW25850 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:02:45 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:02:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200211112202.gABM2ik25846@minbar.fourfold.org> From: CHRISBONIN@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Need info on a 1959 Series IIA (right hand drive) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Gerry, Thanks for the offer. I will be driving it down to the city and after I drive it for a couple of days. I know it will be parked in San Anselmo. thanks Chris From bens Mon Nov 11 17:08:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gABM8PK25913 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:08:25 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:08:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200211112208.gABM8PF25909@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Gillian update Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org GILLIAN LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Finished bolting up a few things, found some coarse threaded hardware for the exhaust studs (mine were fine thread), primed the system, and fired her up! Took a few tries though - she's still being stubborn, but once the fuel began to flow, I can shut her off, and she starts right up on the first try! The inbjector pump seems to be a bit lean, so I'll let her cool off, and make a little adjustment. Happy happy joy joy!!!!! Charles ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Mon Nov 11 17:10:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gABMAs225946 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:10:54 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:10:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200211112210.gABMAse25942@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: JEFF - please contact me ASAP Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org JEFF - please contact me ASAP! The site is still down and all club officer emails are bouncing, including yours. jpipes From bens Mon Nov 11 17:25:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gABMPiP26075 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:25:44 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:25:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200211112225.gABMPh226071@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Gillian update Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Not surprised if the pump is lean. Central motive power said it was set up for approx. 7,000 ft. Which worked out ok for me as I hardly drove it below 8. Just remember your diesel rules Charles. Take the amount of adjustment you THINK it needs, and go HALF of that. And that temp sender fitting should be generic SBC, maybe a 3/8 pipe tap, I don't remember. But you know that little pack of fittings you get with a generic temp gage at the auto parts store? One of them will fit. -Dave G. From bens Mon Nov 11 17:28:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gABMSW726091 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:28:32 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:28:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200211112228.gABMSWs26087@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: recent sightings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason, The one we were trying to catch, was white, and was actually more like a D145 or therabouts (it was a l-o-n-g truck!). It had, I believe, French license plates on it. Charles On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:54:54 -0500 "Jason Pipes" writes: > > Charles, no, this was a blue 3 door early model D110 and the only > thing it > had on the door was the mentioned emblem of the camel made from the > letters > for the Belgian word "Piste". No world map. What color was the truck > you > guys were trying to spot? ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Mon Nov 11 17:37:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gABMbZZ26221 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:37:35 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:37:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200211112237.gABMbYs26217@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: RE: recent sightings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 34 lines filtered. ] Darn, I recall you mentioning that awhile back. Wish I had spotted it but alas I did not. The D147 I did spot was silver, with CA plates and was in Sausalito! jpipes From bens Mon Nov 11 17:57:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gABMvQm26399 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:57:26 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:57:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200211112257.gABMvQK26395@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: FW: NYTimes.com Article: A Ride That's Old, Rough and Ready Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org hi all, i am selling my SerIIa 109 3 dr for $25,000 - a much better deal >A friend sent me this New York Times article. Check out the quoted price >for a 2a. > >http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/08/travel/escapes/08AUTO.html?ex=1037849788&ei=1&en=eeb9074d2c6971fb > > >If you have trouble opening this link, copy all the parts of it (from http >to 71fb) and paste them separately into the location box on your web >browser. [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From bens Mon Nov 11 20:14:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAC1EbG27279 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:14:37 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:14:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200211120114.gAC1EbN27275@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Gillian update Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:25:43 -0500 "Gomes, David" writes: > > Not surprised if the pump is lean. Central motive power said it was > set up > for approx. 7,000 ft. Which worked out ok for me as I hardly drove > it below Oh - I didn't even want to chance using that pump! I'm running the one that was on my other engine, though I did open the inspection cover & check the mixture adjustment, and they both seemed to be set the same! It was giving me some blue smoke, but once it ran for a few minutes, it went away: still a little there when I accelerate, but again, it goes away quickly. > Just remember your diesel rules Charles. Take the amount of > adjustment you > THINK it needs, and go HALF of that. > > And that temp sender fitting should be generic SBC, maybe a 3/8 pipe > tap, I > don't remember. But you know that little pack of fittings you get > with a > generic temp gage at the auto parts store? One of them will fit. COOL! Would be nice to have a working temp gauge! Charles ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Mon Nov 11 22:02:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAC32TX28086 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:02:29 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:02:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200211120302.gAC32T828082@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: JEFF - please contact me ASAP Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I took care of it, but it may take up to ~24-48hrs for the name servers to update their records. Unfortunately, the domains were expired when I got the notice. I will update the domain contact info so this doesn't happen again. -->Jeff on 11/11/02 2:10 PM, Jason Pipes at jpipes@feldgrau.com wrote: > > > JEFF - please contact me ASAP! The site is still down and all club officer > emails are bouncing, including yours. > > jpipes > From bens Tue Nov 12 13:20:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gACIKdL02969 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:20:39 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:20:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200211121820.gACIKdP02965@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Test... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...anybody out there??? Haven't seen any activity since yesterday afternoon... Just wondering. Charles ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Tue Nov 12 13:35:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gACIZQr03100 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:35:26 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:35:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200211121835.gACIZQl03096@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Test... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Charles, I'm out here! Hehe. I got the crew-cab to Vegas over the weekend, what fun! Wooohooo! Tehachapi at 90mph is loads of fun in a loooonnnnngggg Land Rover! Hehe. Hey, I have some questions about 109 bodywork. Specifically I need some pictures of where the top of the doortop mates up to the driprail for the roof. I need to see what type of a bracket or piece there is to attatch some weather strip to. My roof on the crewcab doesn't have anything that hangs down vertically to attatch any weather strip to, so I'm curious if it's something I can buy it, or if I have to make it. Thanks! Michael _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From bens Tue Nov 12 13:41:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gACIfe603160 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:41:40 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:41:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200211121841.gACIfdJ03156@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Test... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org :...anybody out there??? : :Haven't seen any activity since yesterday afternoon... We're just waiting on your next witticism... :-) Cheers, Gerry PHX AZ From bens Tue Nov 12 13:45:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gACIjR603187 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:45:27 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:45:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200211121845.gACIjRL03183@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sunday Drive Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > We mooed at the cows, and they ran... Dadburn city slickers! From bens Tue Nov 12 14:30:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gACJUOh03470 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:30:24 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:30:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200211121930.gACJUOj03462@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Test... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Here's one: Since Russ has been working on his Dormie in my backyard, I've always had a sort of set of rules - one of which is that, since I've been trying to recoup the lawn, that NOTHING is left on it when he's done for the day. Does he adhere to this? I think he means to, but he inevitably doesn't. I just finished mowing the lawn in the backyard (and the front): during this task, my lawnmower found... the cap off a can of spray paint a small piece of aluminum a Series brake fluid reservoir (with mounting bracket) a 7/16 combination wrench(!) a drill bit (!!) and a small area that appears to have had oil spilled on it. I keep telling him to s-l-o-w down a bit: the only thing he has to worry about is getting the gearbox back from Pat before the truck gets left in the street on 31December, but I fear that he may be in such a hurry, that he'll leave something very important loose - a catastrophe to follow. Russ...SLOW DOWN - THERE ISN'T MUCH LEFT TO DO!!!!! (please - before my lawn mower kills me???) :) Charles On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:41:39 -0500 "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" writes: > We're just waiting on your next witticism... >:-) ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Tue Nov 12 14:30:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gACJUOe03471 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:30:24 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:30:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200211121930.gACJUOj03463@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Test... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Michael - you bastard!!! I wanted to be there! Yes - there should be a L-shaped braket that bolts to the top, over the doorway, for the weather strip. Dunno if they're still available - I think they are, though not galvanized as they used to be. Charles On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:35:26 -0500 "Polla Slade" writes: > > Hey Charles, > > I'm out here! Hehe. > > I got the crew-cab to Vegas over the weekend, what fun! Wooohooo! > Tehachapi at 90mph is loads of fun in a loooonnnnngggg Land Rover! > Hehe. > [ 21 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Tue Nov 12 14:34:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gACJYkL03527 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:34:46 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:34:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200211121934.gACJYke03523@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Mojave - Firm Dates??? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey guys, I have some guests flying in for the Mojave trip and we were just talking about them making flight reservations. Before they made any commitments (Ed and Meredith Sanman), they wanted to know if we had any firm dates for the start and conclusion of the trip. Anyone with a *good* answer??? Hehe. Michael _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From bens Tue Nov 12 14:38:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gACJcJu03564 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:38:19 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:38:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200211121938.gACJcJ103560@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Test... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles wrote... >Michael - you bastard!!! I wanted to be there! You flatter me Charles! ;) >Yes - there should be a L-shaped braket that bolts to the top, over the >doorway, for the weather strip. Dunno if they're still available - I >think they are, though not galvanized as they used to be. Ok, I think I'll just make them then. The top of the crew cab is more SIII than 110 (in fact it has several pieces that are stamped 109), so I'll have to make the correct brackets. I can get the proper ones for a 109, but the leading edge would be different, and I'd still have to make the ones for the rear doors anyway (custom remember?), so making all 4 won't be that much harder. Can you snap a pic of it???? Thanks! Michael _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From bens Tue Nov 12 14:49:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gACJn9703705 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:49:09 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:49:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200211121949.gACJn8P03701@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Test... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I just finished mowing the lawn in the backyard (and the front): during > this task, my lawnmower found... > a 7/16 combination wrench(!) Get back at him, send me the 7/16 inch wrench. We sold Alex's loft bed on Saturday; it was clear pine heavy duty built by and engineer for his daughter at UCD. 2x6, 2x4 and 1x6 constructioni with lag bolts and bolts/nuts. All the fittings were 7/16 and we had graph paper "blue" prints plus a printed digital pic. The guy who bought it said he'd use pliers to put the bed together and I gave him a 7/16 combo wrench (made in Taiwan, spare) to give him a break and clinch the sale. cheers, john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens Tue Nov 12 14:50:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gACJoC703734 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:50:12 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:50:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200211121950.gACJoBp03730@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: lawn job Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Get yerself a goat. It'll take care of your lawn, keep Russ in line when you're not around, and eat anything he leaves behind! -Dave G. From bens Tue Nov 12 14:51:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gACJpRP03755 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:51:27 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:51:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200211121951.gACJpRN03751@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mojave - Firm Dates??? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 24 lines filtered. ] I think the only REALLY firm date is to leave from the Needles trailhead on Monday morning. -Dave G. From bens Tue Nov 12 14:53:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gACJrue03772 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:53:56 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:53:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200211121953.gACJrux03768@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave - Firm Dates??? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org funny! I was just going to ask the same question for the same reason! Paul --- Polla Slade wrote: > > > Hey guys, > > I have some guests flying in for the Mojave trip and we > were just talking > about them making flight reservations. > > Before they made any commitments (Ed and Meredith [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months > FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From bens Tue Nov 12 15:04:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gACK49803834 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:04:09 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:04:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200211122004.gACK48S03830@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mojave - Firm Dates??? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Correct... here's the as-official-as-it'll ever-get-email below. Cheers, Gerry ***************************************************************** OK. Hearing no objections, it appears that we have a plan for the Annual Mojave Not-A-Trip to depart where the Mojave Road crosses the Needles Highway on Monday, Dec. 30th at 9 AM. >From Needles: Start on West Broadway on the bridge over I-40 at the west end of Needles and head north towards Laughlin Nevada on the Needles Highway. Watch for the Nevada stateline..about 13 miles distant. After you cross the stateline, go another 0.7 miles into a low washy area where the Mojave Road crosses the highway. Watch your back as you slow down to turn left onto the Mojave Road. We've seen close calls from other drivers looking at us without realizing the LR in front of them is slowing to turn off. Basics: you'll need fuel for about 200 miles of driving. The trail is only about 125 so the rest is for your safety margin. An 88" with dual tanks will have no problems. A Discovery and RR can make it easily on one full tank. There's no water, no fuel and no food on the trail. Bring what you need for at least three full days. If the group continues past the Mojave, there are opportunities to stop for fresh supplies as you come off the trail. Bring stickers for the mailbox on the trail. Bring wood. The first night's elevation is generally much higher than the second night and it will be cold. As you firm up your plans, post them on the Mendo and AZLRO so others can hook up with you on the way over. Others like to camp and the Mojave Road offers lots of excellent choices within a few miles of the trail for Sunday night. If you want a guidebook, go to http://www.mdhca.org/mdhcamrguide.html and order a copy. Quite handy and it'll really get you excited about the trip. There are quite a few hams in the Mendo and in the AZLRO. Bring your VHF/UHF with you. I don't recall what the *official* Mendo frequency...can someone please post that? VHF right? CB will be the second choice I assume...maybe bring a FRS if you have one. What did I forget to mention? This is a g-r-e-a-t trip. Low in intensity but high in friendships. It's the perfect way to end an old year and start a new one. :I think the only REALLY firm date is to leave from the Needles trailhead on :Monday morning. :-Dave G. From bens Tue Nov 12 15:05:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gACK50J03853 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:05:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:05:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200211122005.gACK50903849@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave - Firm Dates??? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Last I heard, was 30December for a start date. Charles P.S. I can snap a pic of that L bracket for 'ya, but I don't have a digi camera - or a working scanner! :( (then again, that would justify another Vegas run!!!!!) On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:34:46 -0500 "Polla Slade" writes: > > > Hey guys, > > I have some guests flying in for the Mojave trip and we were just > talking > about them making flight reservations. > > Before they made any commitments (Ed and Meredith Sanman), they [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Tue Nov 12 15:14:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gACKEM503928 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:14:22 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:14:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200211122014.gACKEMm03924@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Test... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Actually, I may enact a new rule: ANYTHING left on the lawnwhen he'd done for the day, automatically becomes MINE! (wether he needs whatever it is, or not) I can see it now: Dormie top, freshly painted top sides w/new glass, more tools... :) Charles On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:49:08 -0500 john hess writes: > Get back at him, send me the 7/16 inch wrench. ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Tue Nov 12 17:01:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gACM1RO04894 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 17:01:27 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 17:01:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200211122201.gACM1RG04890@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave - Firm Dates??? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Tuesday, November 12, 2002, at 11:34 AM, Polla Slade wrote: > know if we had any firm dates for the start and conclusion of the trip. Yes a firm date has been set > > Hehe. TeriAnn wakeman Santa Cruz, California http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman A member of the internet community since 1985. From bens Tue Nov 12 17:08:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gACM84V04945 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 17:08:04 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 17:08:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200211122208.gACM84r04941@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: lawn job Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Tuesday, November 12, 2002, at 11:50 AM, Gomes, David wrote: > Get yerself a goat. It'll take care of your lawn Dang city slickers. Goats are browsers. Sheep, horses, donkeys, mules, & cattle are grazers. Pigs are nature's rototillers. You need to pick one of more from the grazer category. May I suggest an angus steer calf. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Tue Nov 12 17:22:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gACMMI605061 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 17:22:18 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 17:22:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200211122222.gACMMHH05057@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: lawn job Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > You need to pick one of more from the grazer > category. May I suggest > an angus steer calf. > Then, when the Rover is finished, we can have a BBQ, hopefully, the iron and aluminum content of the poor thing's blood won't hurt us. Stirling . __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From bens Tue Nov 12 17:32:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gACMWUP05149 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 17:32:30 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 17:32:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200211122232.gACMWUw05145@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: lawn job Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > Get yerself a goat. It'll take care of your lawn > > Dang city slickers. Goats are browsers. Sheep, horses, > donkeys, > mules, & cattle are grazers. Pigs are nature's > rototillers. > You need to pick one of more from the grazer category. > May I suggest > an angus steer calf. Definately not sheep! Remember Charles lives in Compton....peple would talk! ;-) ...come to thiniof it... in compton, you'd probably find the neighbors having a nice bbq while you're away on a trip! ;-0 Paul __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From bens Tue Nov 12 17:39:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gACMdP705206 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 17:39:25 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 17:39:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200211122239.gACMdPW05202@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: lawn job Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....Goats are browsers....." In an area the size of Charles' back yard, a browser becomes a grazer REAL fast. Seen plenty of staked out goats eat their limited available grub down to nothing. Sheep don't have the intestinal fortitude to deal with Russ' cast-offs. :^) -Dave G. From bens Tue Nov 12 18:06:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gACN60F05632 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:06:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:06:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200211122306.gACN60G05628@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: lawn job Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Or, Better yet, Move to south San Jose and the wild pigs will chew up the whole lawn! Speaking of a nice BBQ! Bob B At 02:08 PM 11/12/2002, you wrote: >On Tuesday, November 12, 2002, at 11:50 AM, Gomes, David wrote: > > > Get yerself a goat. It'll take care of your lawn > >Dang city slickers. Goats are browsers. Sheep, horses, donkeys, >mules, & cattle are grazers. Pigs are nature's rototillers. > >You need to pick one of more from the grazer category. May I suggest >an angus steer calf. [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Nov 12 18:13:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gACNDip05678 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:13:44 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:13:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200211122313.gACNDhg05672@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: lawn job Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > "....Goats are browsers....." > > In an area the size of Charles' back yard, a browser becomes a grazer > REAL > fast. Seen plenty of staked out goats eat their limited available > grub down > to nothing. Yep. Keep an animal away from the food it normally eats & it might eat all kinds of things to stay alive. Nature intended them for brush, just like deer. Though if you ask them they will say rose bushes. > TeriAnn wakeman Santa Cruz, California http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman A member of the internet community since 1985. From bens Tue Nov 12 18:16:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gACNGqF05707 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:16:52 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:16:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200211122316.gACNGpJ05703@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave - Firm Dates??? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So basically, yes there's A firm date. Dec. 30th. After that I take it that ther is not another firm date??? That sounds fine. We'll just have to decide when we're sick of hanging out with you guys and take our toys and go home. Na nee na nee boo boo. ;) Charles, you can come to Vegas anytime. I'm going to need some help getting the bumper off when I take it to get it shot. I hear you're good at bumper removal! Hehe. There's a recent pic of it here: http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=94617 Michael _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From bens Tue Nov 12 19:35:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAD0ZMJ06326 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:35:22 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:35:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200211130035.gAD0ZMi06322@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: NCRC Newsletter Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Some of you should have a surprise in your mail soon. Sorry the Summer edition took so long, but I am behind in life these days. The Where's Regent game deadline is extended to December 13th, so that the winner can be announced at the Holiday Party. I am currently putting together the fall Newsletter, so submit if you have it. -Rob From bens Tue Nov 12 19:51:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAD0poX06503 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:51:50 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:51:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200211130051.gAD0poR06499@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: Re: NCRC Newsletter Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Got it today Rob, thanks! Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:35 PM Subject: NCRC Newsletter > > Some of you should have a surprise in your mail soon. Sorry the Summer edition took so long, but I am behind in life these days. The Where's Regent game deadline is extended to December 13th, so that the winner can be announced at the Holiday Party. > > I am currently putting together the fall Newsletter, so submit if you have it. > > -Rob > > From bens Wed Nov 13 00:44:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAD5iEB09430 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 00:44:14 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 00:44:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200211130544.gAD5iDX09426@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Test... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >:...anybody out there??? >: >:Haven't seen any activity since yesterday afternoon... > >We're just waiting on your next witticism... > >:-) > >Cheers, [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Or Gerry could keep us amused with tales of adventure from the desert. RW -- Blaming Guns for Crime is Like Blaming Spoons for Rosie O'Donnell Being Fat From bens Wed Nov 13 00:51:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAD5pIa09488 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 00:51:18 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 00:51:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200211130551.gAD5pI009484@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: lawn job Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >On Tuesday, November 12, 2002, at 11:50 AM, Gomes, David wrote: > >> Get yerself a goat. It'll take care of your lawn > >Dang city slickers. Goats are browsers. Sheep, horses, donkeys, >mules, & cattle are grazers. Pigs are nature's rototillers. > >You need to pick one of more from the grazer category. May I suggest >an angus steer calf. Angus is tasty... yes? RW -- Blaming Guns for Crime is Like Blaming Spoons for Rosie O'Donnell Being Fat From bens Wed Nov 13 00:54:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAD5sC609513 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 00:54:12 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 00:54:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200211130554.gAD5sCb09509@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: NCRC Newsletter Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Got it today Rob, thanks! Ditto! I only had time to glance through it tonight because son Bennett roped me into watching Driven on his new widescreensurroundsound HDTV. Wow. I'm afraid to check my bloodpressure after watching that flick. Tomorrow night I'll relax with the newsletter... Granny From bens Wed Nov 13 01:09:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAD69PV09667 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 01:09:25 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 01:09:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200211130609.gAD69Oc09663@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: NCRC Newsletter Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > Got it today Rob, thanks! > >Ditto! I only had time to glance through it tonight because son Bennett >roped me into watching Driven on his new widescreensurroundsound HDTV. Wow. >I'm afraid to check my bloodpressure after watching that flick. > >Tomorrow night I'll relax with the newsletter... No, tomorrow night you need to watch "Ronin" Some of the best car chase scenes ever shot. Great bits in the "extra features" section with the director explaining how they did some of the stunts. Just a thought. RW -- Blaming Guns for Crime is Like Blaming Spoons for Rosie O'Donnell Being Fat From bens Wed Nov 13 02:27:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAD7RWK10025 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 02:27:32 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 02:27:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200211130727.gAD7RWn10021@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: SIGHTING Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Redondo Beach, around 2pm Sunday. Out of the corner of my eye through a restaurant window I spied a Limestone 88 with full tan canvas, a blue or green tailgate, and a yellow mountain bike slung on the back. Only caught a glimpse so don't know if it was a IIA or III. Anyone here claim it? Too bad I parked out back- maybe the driver would have stopped if I'd been out front. Mo --------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance 1st month Free! Sign up today at: www.netzerolongdistance.com From bens Wed Nov 13 10:50:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gADFo3q12758 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:50:03 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:50:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200211131550.gADFo3f12754@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Sunday night in Needles prior to the Mojave Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org We'll be at the hotel below on Sunday night, Dec. 29th. We've stayed there before and it's a nice, clean place to stay...plus they allow pets. I think we'll depart PHX around noon putting us there at a decent hour... 5 PM, 6 PM. Hotel: Best Western Intl BW COLORADO RVR INN 2371 W BROADWAY, NEEDLES CA 92363, 760-326-4552 Our rate was $50. There's a nice small restaurant right next door also for breakfast and we'll probably be there around 7:30 AM. Hopefully Dan in the "yeller" J##p will be with us and perhaps Rob from Tucson. Cheers, Gerry PHX AZ _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From bens Wed Nov 13 12:45:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gADHjpV14050 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:45:51 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:45:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200211131745.gADHjpJ14046@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sunday night in Needles prior to the Mojave Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Wednesday, November 13, 2002, at 07:50 AM, Gerry Elam wrote: > > We'll be at the hotel below on Sunday night, Dec. 29th. I expect to be camped just inland of the trailhead that same night. If I finish morning dishes in time I'll mossy out to where the trail crosses the road to mark it for others. Guess I'll have to make a flag pole of some kind. > Our rate was $50. Vs free for camping Look forward to seeing ya again Gerry. TeriAnn wakeman Santa Cruz, California http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman A member of the internet community since 1985. From bens Wed Nov 13 13:22:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gADIMI914226 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:22:18 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:22:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200211131822.gADIMIW14222@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Casey McMullen" To: Subject: RE: recent sightings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org That's right, Linda's folks are picking up the Rover this Sunday near Raleigh NC and heading back across the country. They'll be taking their time, sticking mostly to "blue" highways, and making a few fun stops. Naw'leans is the only one I'm sure about. Speaking of sightings, this weekend Linda and I took each of her parents out for an introduction to series driving in my 88" around the hills in Oakland, so they would some idea what to expect for the next 1.5+ weeks on the road. While out with Mom a grey market TDI 110 was spotted, then during Dad's turn a NAS 110 was spotted and followed for a bit. It was full of young girls in the back jump seats who seemed interested to see a series. We count these two 110 sightings as a good luck omen from the Rover gods regarding the upcoming journey. The current owner, Spencer, is taking Linda's soon-to-be Dormie to the Rover Clubhouse in Durham for a checkup to help insure an uneventful drive. They have my cell phone number and until they pull into Linda's driveway I will probably be a bit on edge with concern. I've re-upped my subscription to LRO and if anything happens I may be contacting either list for advice or recommendations on where to get any work done to get then back on the road. -Casey From bens Wed Nov 13 13:49:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gADIn5014402 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:49:05 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:49:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200211131849.gADIn5g14398@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sunday night in Needles prior to the Mojave Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org We will be staying up the road in Laughlin, NV, probably at Harrah's. They have a pretty good & inexpensive buffet. What time are we meeting on Monday? From bens Wed Nov 13 14:04:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gADJ4JX14546 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:04:19 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:04:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200211131904.gADJ4In14542@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Sunday night in Needles prior to the Mojave Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org :Vs free for camping :Look forward to seeing ya again Gerry. Same here! I figured that Sandy will be more apt to go if I meet her halfway with the camping stuff especially considering that Brazilians aren't know for their tolerance to cold weather. It'll be interesting to see if she adapts although at Rock Springs, it's cold no matter the time of year. We did the trip during the Labor Day holidays and froze that night at the Springs. Cheers, Gerry From bens Wed Nov 13 14:04:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gADJ4qG14561 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:04:52 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:04:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200211131904.gADJ4q914557@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Sunday night in Needles prior to the Mojave Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org 9 AM.... :What time are we meeting on Monday? Cheers, Gerry From bens Wed Nov 13 14:27:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gADJRXB14755 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:27:33 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:27:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200211131927.gADJRXb14751@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hannaford, Morgan" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: NCRC holiday party - RSVP soon!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Those of you who plan to attend the NCRC holiday party on December 14, please RSVP to me directly - soon. I want to get a reasonable head count by the end of the month. The details are on the NCRC website, in the December events calendar. The $40 cost per person can be made at the party, or mailed to me beforehand if you so choose. I am in the process of ordering glasses with the NCRC logo printed in "satin frost" (looks like etching). The party costs will include a glass; are folks interested in buying additional glasses to make a set? Probably ~$3 each. Let me know so I will know how many extras to buy. Cheers, Morgan Hannaford From bens Wed Nov 13 14:40:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gADJe3G14847 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:40:03 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:40:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200211131940.gADJe3514843@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sunday night in Needles prior to the Mojave Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org PST, which will be 10am for us Arizonians. Cool. Elam, Gerry (CORP) wrote: > 9 AM.... > > :What time are we meeting on Monday? > > Cheers, > Gerry > From bens Wed Nov 13 14:42:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gADJg3X14875 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:42:03 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:42:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200211131942.gADJg3j14871@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: recent sightings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...Linda's folks are picking up the Rover this Sunday near Raleigh NC and heading back across the country..." Have you printed them a list of phone numbers from the Birmabrite Brotherhood site? I can cover them in most of Colorado and northern New Mexico if they need help. Probably best to buzz the pager at 303-207-5929 or call home at 303-838-7314 -Dave G. From bens Wed Nov 13 15:19:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gADKJti15125 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 15:19:55 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 15:19:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200211132019.gADKJtc15121@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Sunday night in Needles prior to the Mojave Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Or, you can show up early and enjoy a cup of coffee on the trail while we watch TAW's big dawg run around...thundering paws and everything! If anyone who is camping needs something from town, call us in the hotel at 760-326-4552 after 6 PM and we'll see what we can do for you...assuming you have a phone and can get a signal. Cheers, Gerry PHX AZ :PST, which will be 10am for us Arizonians. Cool. From bens Wed Nov 13 15:29:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gADKTOL15215 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 15:29:24 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 15:29:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200211132029.gADKTNq15211@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: recent sightings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Don't forget me! I can cover Southern and Central California, and parts of Arizona if needed - if I'm around. (and I can be if somebody's stuck/stranded) 310-637-7546 (Home), and 559-300-2105 (Cell). Charles On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:42:03 -0500 "Gomes, David" writes: > Have you printed them a list of phone numbers from the Birmabrite > Brotherhood site? I can cover them in most of Colorado and northern > New > Mexico if they need help. Probably best to buzz the pager at > 303-207-5929 > or call home at 303-838-7314 ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Wed Nov 13 16:00:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gADL0tw15493 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:00:55 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:00:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200211132100.gADL0tX15489@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sunday night in Needles prior to the Mojave Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Wednesday, November 13, 2002, at 12:19 PM, Elam, Gerry (CORP) wrote: > > Or, you can show up early and enjoy a cup of coffee on the trail while > we > watch TAW's big dawg run around...thundering paws and everything! Umm he's grown a tad since you saw O'malley last. he was under a year old on last year's trip. > TeriAnn wakeman Santa Cruz, California http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman A member of the internet community since 1985. From bens Wed Nov 13 16:55:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gADLtC315867 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:55:12 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:55:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200211132155.gADLtCj15863@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Ed Sanman To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Mojave - typical # of days Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Realizing we're starting in Needles on Dec. 30, how many days should we allow for the typical trip? We know when to fly into Las Vegas, but really aren't sure what day we should make reservations for the return trip to Portland. I'd like to book soon for the best rate and seat availability. Thanks, Ed From bens Wed Nov 13 17:07:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gADM73215922 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:07:03 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:07:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200211132207.gADM72V15918@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave - typical # of days Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Typically, we do it in three days/two nights coming out at Soda Lake the third morning. You can opt out of the trail at several points so getting out isn't a problem. There is talk of taking our time this year but we'll have to leave the third day (New Year's Day) regardless! Cheers, Gerry >From: Ed Sanman >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" >Subject: Mojave - typical # of days >Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:55:12 -0500 > >Realizing we're starting in Needles on Dec. 30, how many days should we >allow for the typical trip? We know when to fly into Las Vegas, but really >aren't sure what day we should make reservations for the return trip to [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From bens Wed Nov 13 17:12:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gADMC0815954 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:12:00 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:12:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200211132212.gADMC0S15950@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mojave - typical # of days Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Man, with folks making plane reservations and all, this has got to be ranking right up there with the best of not-an-event events! :^) IMHO, 3 days on the trail is a nice leisurely driving pace. Allow more time if you want to spend time investigating or spending extended time at places along the way. I think a full-on, make-a-vacation-of-it trip might be 4-5 days. But with that much time, most folks would have seen all they cared to and more of the trail. Side trips like Kelso Dunes and other places could also be included in a 5-day trip. -Dave G. From bens Wed Nov 13 17:24:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gADMODf16049 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:24:13 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:24:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200211132224.gADMODA16045@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Casey McMullen" To: Subject: RE: recent sightings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks a lot David and Charles. I'll make sure they have your numbers. I forgot about Birmabright Brotherhood, I'll have to get that for them as well. -Casey From bens Wed Nov 13 18:49:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gADNnDY16552 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:49:13 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:49:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200211132349.gADNnDW16548@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: "mendo_recce@fourfold.org" Subject: Send your name to Mars Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If your kids are interested, they can have their name included on a DVD that will be on the next Mars Rover mission. http://spacekids.hq.nasa.gov/2003/ From bens Wed Nov 13 20:13:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAE1DsC16940 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 20:13:54 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 20:13:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200211140113.gAE1Ds916936@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave - typical # of days Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Wednesday, November 13, 2002, at 01:55 PM, Ed Sanman wrote: > Realizing we're starting in Needles on Dec. 30, how many days should we > allow for the typical trip? Hi Ed! Figure 2 nights & about 2-1/2 days on the trail plus however long you can talk Michael into camping in Death Valley after the official not a trip TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Wed Nov 13 21:39:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAE2d1o17297 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 21:39:01 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 21:39:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200211140239.gAE2d1417293@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeremy Bartlett To: mendo Subject: New Idria NCRC Trip Cancelled Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm having to cancel the New Idria area recce trip because I still don't have a working vehicle suitable for leading a trip in that area. Sorry to those few who expressed interest and may be disappointed. I'll definitely be heading down there at some point in the future and I'll post for those interested in tagging along. Jeremy From bens Wed Nov 13 22:54:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAE3s5w17668 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:54:05 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:54:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200211140354.gAE3s5u17664@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Need a New Mud Run Venue Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jeremy's mention of the postponement of the New Idria run reminds me to tell everyone that a new route will be needed for a Mud Run. As I've predicted for some time, the County of Mendocino is planning to install locked-in-the-winter iron gates on the unpaved portion of Fort Bragg-Sherwood Road. I don't know if the gates have been erected yet but if not will be soon. The County has been under the gun from local groups, land owners, and state and federal agencies for years over the massive sedimentation that that road's winter use generates. Perhaps the closures will eventually end but if they do, they'll be replaced by extensive changes in design and maintenance practices on the road, to keep it from every getting so muddy. Also slated for winter closures are the unpaved portion of Navarro Ridge Road and Ten Mile Road (dead end road near Point Arena). Usal Road was also slated for winter closure but sufficient objections have delayed that one for at least a year. I searched the web for info on this and saw in the Board of Supervisors' minutes that the closure is to begin 1 December. Sign of the times, Granny From bens Wed Nov 13 23:08:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAE487Q17772 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:08:07 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:08:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200211140408.gAE486V17768@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: recent sightings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Casey McMullen wrote: >..., then during Dad's turn a NAS 110 was spotted and followed for a bit. It was full of young girls in the back jump seats who seemed interested to see a series. > That's because they've been trained to spot them. Frank From bens Wed Nov 13 23:23:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAE4NHt17849 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:23:17 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:23:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200211140423.gAE4NHr17845@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New Idria NCRC Trip Cancelled Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jeremy, Sorry to hear your rig isn't up to snuff yet! ( you could borrow my series if you want )... I'd like to go but we are expecting anytime between now and 2 weeks from now... so my Sched is pretty much full up! Tomw ( I'm serie(ou)s about my series! ) > > I'm having to cancel the New Idria area recce trip because I still don't > have a working vehicle suitable for leading a trip in that area. Sorry > to those few who expressed interest and may be disappointed. I'll > definitely be heading down there at some point in the future and I'll > post for those interested in tagging along. > Jeremy > > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Thu Nov 14 00:32:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAE5WYE19428 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 00:32:34 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 00:32:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200211140532.gAE5WXf19424@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: Re: New Idria NCRC Trip Cancelled Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks for the heads up Jeremy - really sorry to hear that your D-90 is still out of action. Hope all is well otherwise, and looking forward to seeing you at the Christmas Party! Take care, Jon From bens Thu Nov 14 00:45:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAE5jhH19625 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 00:45:43 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 00:45:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200211140545.gAE5jgm19621@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: $47.5K D90 SW Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The $30K 109 SW people have been talking about seems like a good deal compared to the 1997 D90 SW I saw in Marin last night with a for sale sign asking $47.5K!! If anyone wants to give him a call (maybe to let him know that I have not heard of a D90 selling for over $30K in at least a year) the number on the sign was 725-1563 (no area code so I assume it is 415). Kevin From bens Thu Nov 14 16:07:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAEL7Rv00419 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:07:27 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:07:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200211142107.gAEL7QU00415@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: New Idria NCRC Trip Cancelled Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jeremy said: I'm having to cancel the New Idria area recce trip because I > still don't have a working vehicle suitable for leading a > trip in that area. So But Jeremey just borrow the white 97 D90 on your showroom floor. I am sure they would never miss it, and it desperately wants to see some dirt. -Rob From bens Thu Nov 14 16:37:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAELbIx00691 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:37:18 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:37:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200211142137.gAELbIK00687@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: Need a New Mud Run Venue Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bogus. on 11/13/02 7:54 PM, Granville Pool at mapool@adelphia.net wrote: > > Jeremy's mention of the postponement of the New Idria run reminds me to tell > everyone that a new route will be needed for a Mud Run. As I've predicted > for some time, the County of Mendocino is planning to install > locked-in-the-winter iron gates on the unpaved portion of Fort > Bragg-Sherwood Road. I don't know if the gates have been erected yet but if > not will be soon. The County has been under the gun from local groups, land > owners, and state and federal agencies for years over the massive > sedimentation that that road's winter use generates. Perhaps the closures [ 15 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Nov 14 16:48:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAELm8500745 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:48:08 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:48:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200211142148.gAELm8p00741@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Ed Sanman To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Mojave 'Not-A-Trip' Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Geez - What's this 'No-A-Trip' stuff? Between yours and Dave's comments, doesn't sound like we'll be going home with a dash plaque =8^( Sounds like a good tradition, however, and we really like the excuse to come down and ride with Mike and see some old acquaintances. BTW, TeriAnn, because of Charles Kellogg's dog at the last ABFM, we're going to have to control dogs with a leash at all times. I don't know if you heard, but his dog bit two people! So, now, the committee has to deal with something that's never been an issue before. Tell O'Malley we're sorry. Ed Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 20:13:54 -0500 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: Mojave - typical # of days Hi Ed! .............after the official not a trip From bens Thu Nov 14 16:54:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAELsxL00780 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:54:59 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:54:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200211142154.gAELsxr00776@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hannaford, Morgan" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: NCRC holiday party is Dec 14 - NOT 12/6 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org *******************begin NCRC club information bulletin******************* The NCRC Holiday Party is scheduled for December 14. NOT the 6th as stated in the recently mailed tri-fold. Please adjust your calendars accordingly. You may now return to your regularly scheduled mendo_recce messages. ********************end NCRC club information bulletin******************** From bens Thu Nov 14 17:44:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAEMi6b01087 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:44:06 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:44:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200211142244.gAEMi6p01083@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: NCRC holiday party is Dec 14 - NOT 12/6 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ooops! I guess I forgot to change the date. Is there a snail-mail Mew-Gull module that might catch errors like this? :^) -->Jeff on 11/14/02 1:54 PM, Hannaford, Morgan at MHANNAFORD@ShastaCollege.edu wrote: > > *******************begin NCRC club information bulletin******************* > > The NCRC Holiday Party is scheduled for December 14. > NOT the 6th as stated in the recently mailed tri-fold. > Please adjust your calendars accordingly. > > You may now return to your regularly scheduled mendo_recce messages. > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Nov 14 17:51:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAEMpRs01136 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:51:27 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:51:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200211142251.gAEMpRY01132@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: "mendo_recce@fourfold.org" Subject: Shipping Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anyone have any ideas on how to ship an item that is 90" long, but only weighs 30 lbs. UPS and FedEx won't take it. It has to go from Massachusetts to Arizona. From bens Thu Nov 14 17:59:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAEMxIO01169 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:59:18 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:59:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200211142259.gAEMxIv01165@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: Re: Shipping Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 5 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Multipart/Alternative; ] [ Text/Plain; ] [ Text/HTML; ] [ image/gif ] [ Image/jpeg ] [ 168 lines filtered. ] --------------Boundary-00=_R59LH890000000000000 From bens Thu Nov 14 18:04:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAEN4sN01230 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:04:54 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:04:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200211142304.gAEN4sl01226@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Casey McMullen" To: Subject: RE: Shipping Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Put it on a Greyhound bus. I shipped my hoopset from Pennsylvania to California all wrapped up in cardboard and tape. I think it just has to fit in that under-bus luggage bin. BTW, that's a great way to ship things quickly short distances too. In college, when visiting my parents, when I forgot something stupid but semi-important at home (keys, books, etc) they would take it down to the bus depot and I'd usually have it in less than a day. -Casey From bens Thu Nov 14 18:52:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAENq4k01547 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:52:04 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:52:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200211142352.gAENq4601543@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave 'Not-A-Trip' Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Thursday, November 14, 2002, at 01:48 PM, Ed Sanman wrote: > > Geez - What's this 'No-A-Trip' stuff? Between yours and Dave's > comments, > doesn't sound like we'll be going home with a dash plaque =8^( The "Joe Lucas not a trip" tradition goes back to the earliest roots of the mendo group and basically means a trip that is not sponsored by a club. no insurance, no officers to sue. A bunch of people just happen to run into each other on the trail and just happen to be going the same way. > BTW, TeriAnn, because of Charles Kellogg's dog at the last ABFM, we're > going > to have to control dogs with a leash at all times. This include camp sites at night? it would be nice to allow dogs to be off leash, if supervised, in the camp ground area only. And have leashes required in the show area at all times. But if I'm there, I'll follow the rules, whatever they are. I keep my dog leashed during show hours. This last year was kinda funny because the camp area was not open and I camped in the vehicle display area. And I'll admit i should have leashed the poopster up first thing in the morning instead of waiting until morning dishes were done. Things started happening faster than I had anticipated in the morning. I think it was my first & last time camping in the vehicle display area. > I don't know if you heard, but his dog bit two people! He also bit my puppy (who did not bite back). I missed the people biting but was around when the announcer got upset about his dog wondering around in the food preperation area and demanded that the owner leash him. > So, now, the committee has to deal with > something that's never been an issue before. Tell O'Malley we're > sorry. Since Kellogg doesn't camp out see if they are willing to make a camp site vs show area compromise...please. And if it's my puppy ever causing a problem I want to know. We need to be good citizens too if were are to be in the company of others. TeriAnn wakeman Santa Cruz, California http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman A member of the internet community since 1985. From bens Thu Nov 14 22:20:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAF3KV202582 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:20:31 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:20:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200211150320.gAF3KVs02578@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: Mojave 'Not-A-Trip' Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > to have to control dogs with a leash at all times. I don't know if you > heard, but his dog bit two people! That's a switch; usually it's Charlie who does the biting... From bens Thu Nov 14 23:52:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAF4q4P02956 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 23:52:04 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 23:52:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200211150452.gAF4q3q02952@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: Top for 88 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org My buddy Jason has a '59 88 and his canvas hood is just about used up. Does anyone have a canvas, new or used, that they are looking to sell? Mo --------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance 1st month Free! Sign up today at: www.netzerolongdistance.com From bens Fri Nov 15 01:06:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAF66xC04656 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:06:59 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:06:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200211150606.gAF66wa04652@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Mk2 Cortina (No LR Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi all, Anyone know of any Mk2 Cortinas/parts for sale - preferably in N. Cal.? A friend just asked me. Frank From bens Fri Nov 15 01:52:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAF6qXr04844 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:52:33 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:52:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200211150652.gAF6qXh04840@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Eric Schoenman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mk2 Cortina (No LR Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Frank, i used to have this neighbor in oakland (near rockridge) that used fix cortinas. he always had about 30 of them around on the street and in his driveway (he even convinced one of my roommates to use our drive way for storage). His first name was Bob but i can't remember his last name. he had tons of parts. Granted this was 13 years ago, but he might still be there if one wanted to drive by. Can't miss it. Address was 58something something Ayala St (right off Claremont ave and Forrest st, near hw 24). if you go west off of Claremont onto Forrest you almost go right into his drive way. anyhow, if you find him, let him know Eric (Reagan's friend. Reagan was my roommate and had a mk2 GT) sent you. good luck. Eric On Thursday, November 14, 2002, at 10:06 PM, Franklin H. Yap wrote: > > Hi all, > > Anyone know of any Mk2 Cortinas/parts for sale - preferably in N. Cal.? > A friend just asked me. > > Frank > > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Nov 15 08:24:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAFDOte06873 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 08:24:55 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 08:24:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200211151324.gAFDOsM06869@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mk2 Cortina (No LR Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Hi all, > >Anyone know of any Mk2 Cortinas/parts for sale - preferably in N. Cal.? > A friend just asked me. > >Frank Charles Irvin (usually on the list but traveling right now) has a complete car sitting at his place that he'd love to get rid of. What parts are your friend looking for? RW -- Blaming Guns for Crime is Like Blaming Spoons for Rosie O'Donnell Being Fat From bens Fri Nov 15 09:19:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAFEJtD07205 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:19:55 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:19:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200211151419.gAFEJtt07201@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave 'Not-A-Trip' Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yep! I agree with you gran, BUT I certainly wouldn't call Mr Kornflake Charlie for fear someone might think we were friends. Bob B At 07:20 PM 11/14/2002, you wrote: > > to have to control dogs with a leash at all times. I don't know if you > > heard, but his dog bit two people! > >That's a switch; usually it's Charlie who does the biting... From bens Fri Nov 15 10:10:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAFFAuB07569 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:10:56 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:10:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200211151510.gAFFAtb07565@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Doyle, Kevin C (TULSA WU 595)" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Canadian Defender 110 NAS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, New to the list and have a question about the Defender 110 NAS. I have talked to Mr. Peterson and Mr. Rogers and was looking for some additional insight into buying a Canadian Defender NAS 110. Can anybody help me with history, repairs, general price range etc? Thanks a million!! Kevin D. _______________________________________ CAUTION: electronic mail sent through the internet is not secure and could be intercepted by a third party. For your protection, avoid sending identifying information, such as account, Social Security, or card numbers to us or others. Further, do not send time-sensitive, action-oriented messages, such as transaction orders, fund transfer instructions, or check stop payments, as it is our policy not to accept such items electronically. From bens Fri Nov 15 11:00:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAFG0Mj08201 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:00:22 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:00:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200211151600.gAFG0LT08197@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mk2 Cortina (No LR Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks Eric, I'll check this weekend. Frank ------------------- Eric Schoenman wrote: >i used to have this neighbor in oakland (near rockridge) that used fix >cortinas. > From bens Fri Nov 15 11:03:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAFG3bm08223 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:03:37 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:03:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200211151603.gAFG3b108219@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mk2 Cortina (No LR Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, I didn't get a list of the parts. However, he indicated he'll buy a complete car (if cheap) to get the parts he needs. I'll talk to Charles when he gets back. Frank -------------------------------------- Russ Wilson wrote: >Charles Irvin (usually on the list but traveling right now) has a >complete car sitting at his place that he'd love to get rid of. What >parts are your friend looking for? > From bens Fri Nov 15 11:44:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAFGiMw08508 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:44:22 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:44:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200211151644.gAFGiMj08504@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: Re: Canadian Defender 110 NAS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Isn't Chris Dow's NAS 110 a Canadian? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doyle, Kevin C (TULSA WU 595)" To: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 7:10 AM Subject: Canadian Defender 110 NAS > > > > Hi, > > New to the list and have a question about the Defender 110 NAS. > > I have talked to Mr. Peterson and Mr. Rogers and was looking for some > additional insight into buying a Canadian Defender NAS 110. [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Nov 15 11:53:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAFGrEm08570 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:53:14 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:53:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200211151653.gAFGrDk08566@minbar.fourfold.org> From: eric.fournier@attbi.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mk2 Cortina (No LR Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Frank. Your friend can also try the Golden Gate Lotus Club: http://www.gglotus.org/ They have a classified section although it's not up to date right now. He could post a parts wanted ad. Also, there's a decent links section that might be helpful. Eric Fournier 97 Discovery 88 Commemorative Edition Turbo Esprit From bens Fri Nov 15 12:28:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAFHS5f08803 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:28:05 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:28:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200211151728.gAFHS4d08799@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Shipping Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Their max is 74 inches, and this thing (a ski carrier) is 90. Any other ideas? On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Casey McMullen wrote: > > Put it on a Greyhound bus. I shipped my hoopset from Pennsylvania to California all wrapped up in cardboard and tape. I think it just has to fit in that under-bus luggage bin. > > BTW, that's a great way to ship things quickly short distances too. In college, when visiting my parents, when I forgot something stupid but semi-important at home (keys, books, etc) they would take it down to the bus depot and I'd usually have it in less than a day. > > -Casey > From bens Fri Nov 15 12:39:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAFHdLd08897 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:39:21 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:39:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200211151739.gAFHdKc08889@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: , Subject: RE: Shipping Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 5 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Multipart/Alternative; ] [ Text/Plain; ] [ Text/HTML; ] [ image/gif ] [ Image/jpeg ] [ 201 lines filtered. ] --------------Boundary-00=_K0PMBHK0000000000000 From bens Fri Nov 15 12:39:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAFHdLE08899 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:39:21 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:39:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200211151739.gAFHdL808893@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: , Subject: RE: Shipping Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 5 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Multipart/Alternative; ] [ Text/Plain; ] [ Text/HTML; ] [ image/gif ] [ Image/jpeg ] [ 201 lines filtered. ] --------------Boundary-00=_K0PMBHK0000000000000 From bens Fri Nov 15 12:57:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAFHvYR09014 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:57:34 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:57:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200211151757.gAFHvY409010@minbar.fourfold.org> From: shukait@mac.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: LA Area Trip Report Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, My work sent me to LA on a business trip this week, Monday to Thursday. Since I was going I thought I'd email the mendo-folks in the area and see if everyone could meet for a beer and dinner. We met at the Robin Hood Pub in Van Nuys, it was nice. Pat Young, Mo Patrykus, Charles Irvin, Russ Wilson and Joe Mulqueen were there. We all had a great time talking Rovers and things a wrapped it up around 11:15. It was nice to meet everyone after talking on line for the past two years. When I got home, I jumped in Millie and snapped a rear axle backing, turning and pulling out of the driveway. I popped her into 4x4 high range and parked. 20/20 hind sight says replace both axles shafts if one breaks. I haven't taken it apart but I don't see how she can snap a new axle in 4000 miles with zero time off road. If I do a full power take off and turn right from a stop the right rear wheel lifts a bit and she'll pull a little scratch. It's only happened a few times and I don't make a habit out of it but I'm probably winding up the rear end and really putting a load on the left axle. The right rear axle broke last time. I'll let you know what's broke after I get her apart. Someone once told me the front and rear diff's are the same part and totally interchangeable, is this true? If the diff is broke, it's Salisbury time. Cheers, Keith & Pam Shukait Northern California Rover Club 1997 Land Rover Discovery XD "YLLWJKT" 1969 Land Rover Series IIA ExMoD 109 Regular "Millie" 1967 Land Rover Series IIA NADA 6 Cylinder Dormobile "Indiana" From bens Fri Nov 15 13:01:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAFI1LU09062 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:01:21 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:01:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200211151801.gAFI1L709058@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: shipping Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 23 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" I've had success with DSL taking weird sized stuff (I just had a hoop = set shipped by them) (my former posts were deleted, as they were sent from an e-mail program = called Incredimail, and apparently they add attachments that don't sit = well with the mendo filters..) Good luck From bens Fri Nov 15 13:03:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAFI3c309081 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:03:38 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:03:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200211151803.gAFI3cg09077@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: shipping Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org D oppenheim said > (my former posts were deleted, as they were sent from an > e-mail program = called Incredimail, and apparently they add > attachments that don't sit = well with the mendo filters..) I ust figured the Mewgul Content filter was working :) -Rob From bens Fri Nov 15 13:07:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAFI7f109123 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:07:41 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:07:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200211151807.gAFI7fW09119@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: shipping Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Is that DHL? On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Daniel Oppenheim wrote: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; ] > [ 23 lines filtered. ] > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > I've had success with DSL taking weird sized stuff (I just had a hoop = > set shipped by them) [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Nov 15 13:29:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAFIT8Y09345 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:29:08 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:29:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200211151829.gAFIT7j09341@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Canadian Defender 110 NAS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org No. It used to be Mehdi's, and before that someone (I think) from Marin. Frank ------------------------------ Jon Turner wrote: >Isn't Chris Dow's NAS 110 a Canadian? > From bens Fri Nov 15 13:29:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAFITmv09360 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:29:48 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:29:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200211151829.gAFITlb09356@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mk2 Cortina (No LR Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks! ------------------------ eric.fournier@attbi.com wrote: >Your friend can also try the Golden Gate Lotus Club: http://www.gglotus.org/ > From bens Fri Nov 15 13:32:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAFIWD109395 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:32:13 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:32:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200211151832.gAFIWDM09391@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "G. Mugele" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: shipping Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >D oppenheim said > > > (my former posts were deleted, as they were sent from an > > e-mail program = called Incredimail, and apparently they add > > attachments that don't sit = well with the mendo filters..) > > >I ust figured the Mewgul Content filter was working :) > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Yeah.... how Daniel get that last one through? :-D And how do you get physical objects into your DSL line? MewGull From bens Fri Nov 15 13:57:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAFIvMu09539 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:57:22 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:57:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200211151857.gAFIvMl09535@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: Re: Canadian Defender 110 NAS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hmm, then who am I thinking of - was sure we had at least one in NCRC. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 10:29 AM Subject: Re: Canadian Defender 110 NAS > > No. It used to be Mehdi's, and before that someone (I think) from Marin. > > Frank > From bens Fri Nov 15 14:09:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAFJ9wU09663 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:09:58 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:09:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200211151909.gAFJ9wj09659@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Shannon Holland" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Canadian Defender 110 NAS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I believe Mr. Baggerly also had one for a while. Shannon On Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:03AM -0800, Jon Turner wrote: From bens Fri Nov 15 14:31:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAFJVn009820 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:31:49 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:31:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200211151931.gAFJVmX09816@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: RE: Canadian Defender 110 NAS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Is there a particular reason you are searching for a Canadian specific D110 versus a US D110? I'm not aware that there were any differences, other than the fact that a much smaller number were made specifically for Canada and numbered as such. If you decide to go for a Canadian numbered truck you're basically limiting yourself to 1 of 25 trucks, a much smaller pool to choose from. I think the only real difference between the two trucks is limited to the numbering itself! As for NAS D110s in general, here is some info for you taken from an article I am writing for my web site project on the history of the NAS D110 (www.defender110.net) which is not finished yet at all. This is far from complete but it should get you in the right direction. As you likely know, there were only 535 NAS D110s ever made. The Defender 110s destined for the North American market were taken off the line along side many other European and British market trucks and thereafter completed by hand by Land Rover Special Vehicles Department. Even though D110s are found all across the UK, Europe and around the world, the NAS D110 is a very rare variant. There are dozens of differences between NAS D110s and Euro or world-spec D110s, including the engine, engine control electronics, interior, dash, A/C, heated windscreen, front and read bumper, running boards, and among other things as well the most recognizable - the interior and exterior roll over cage, rear ladder and frame mounted roof rack. Prices for used D110s are often reflected in the fact that they are so hard to find. In any given month one or two can often be found for sale somewhere in the US. Most of the Canadian market D110s migrated to the US when the boom in prices allowed from them to be sold for huge profits so it's unlikely many still exist in Canada. The truck originally sold for $39,900 in 1992. During the late 1990s prices on the used market sky rocketed due to their relative rarity and high desirability. It was not uncommon for NAS D110s to fetch in the range of $60,000, nearly $20,000 more than they originally sold for! As the economy began to falter and the trucks began to get a little older prices began to slip significantly and now you'd be hard pressed to find one for sale much over $40,000 in top condition. One NAS D110 was even recently spotted being sold for a record low of $29,500! Still not bad for (in that case) a truck that had over 100,000 miles on the clock and that was 11 years old. Price most significantly depends on what the owner is willing to sell it for and what a buyer is willing to pay. Because they are so uncommon in the US, a seller can offer one for whatever the want as there really are not very many comparisons to check them against. As well, if you want one, you're often limited to those few that are for sale so sometimes prices becomes second to availability. Still, with the drop in the US economy prices have fallen and will likely never again rise as high as they once were. Just don't expect to find one for under $25-29,000 either! As for particulars on buying a NAS D110, start with these pointers. Look for rust. If it's a West Coast truck it likely won't have been subjected to the ravages of weather, but due to an electrochemical reaction between steel and aluminum rust can and often does form at the juncture of different body parts and panels. Small amounts of rust is not a problem is it is almost unheard of to not have SOME, but larger areas of rust, as on any vehicle, are reasons for concern and should be reflected in the price. Ask how long it's been sitting, if at all. If it's been sitting for sometime (even a few months) you will likely need/want to replace many of the seals. NAs D110s that sit often require new brake master cyl seals, clutch master cyl seals, thermostats, belts, etc. Has the truck been offroad? A little or a lot? Was the previous owner an offroader or did they just have the truck to have it? If it was offroad, check the underbody for frame damage, small dents, extensive mud, etc. Nothing to worry about too much but something to point out if it seems excessive and to use as a bartering point. Check for leaks, regardless of how long it's been sitting around. Rover and Defenders in particular are known to leak. If the leaks (if any) seem excessive, seals in the oil system or tranny may need replacing. That's something to be wary of but don't be surprised by some degree of oil leakage. As with rust, the more you notice the more wary to be. Also, don't just look for oil on the ground, look at the underbody as well. If it's heavily coated in oil that's something to look into. Check the swivel balls on the front axel. If they are pitted, scored or otherwise visibly damaged you can have an expensive rebuild on your hands. Again, not the end of the world (is anything on a truck this rare?) but something to most certainly use as a lowering point on the cost if they are. Ask when the fluids in the truck were last changed. We're talking oil, tranny fluid, transfer case fluid, front and rear diffs, swivel balls, brakes, and cooling system. If it's a dealer they may not know, but if it's the previous owner and they don't know that's something to think about! Gulp! Again, a lowering point on price if they haven't maintained their vehicle. Plus, if they haven't done it lately you'll have to do it all once you get it and that'll run you about 700 bucks at a shop (although significantly less if you do it yourself). Depending on the mileage, ask about scheduled maintenance. If it's nearing or just past 60k, ask if the 60k service has been done? Ask for any and all maintenance documents, receipts, papers, etc for the truck. If you're lucky you'll get the original owners manual and a detailed specific maintained history for the truck which is worth its weight in gold. If you're like many you'll get nothing. In that case the owners manual is hard to find and expensive when you find it on places like ebay. Not many are around although luckily there are many people in NCRC that have copies and would likely be willing to let you make a copy in place of having an original. There is actually important information in the owners manual that isn't found in the much more detailed workshop manual! Aside from whatever comes with the truck you can get a detailed history of the truck from any Land Rover dealer by giving them the VIN. They'll run it through their system and can print you a copy of all shop work that they've recorded as being done at various dealer locations as well as when the truck was built, who the listed owners are, the radio code, the key code, when the tuck was originally sold and at which dealer it was sold at. Some places will tell you they can't provide that information, while others will give it to you without hesitation. Either way the information is in their system and relates specifically to every NAS D110 sold. Check the interior. Are all four jump seats present in the rear? Does it have front and rear floor rubber mats? if so, bonus for you! Those are extras most people have to buy on their own after getting the truck. Does this truck have a winch? A winch was the only option NAS D110s came with. If it does check to see if it works and hopefully they'll have the documentation for it as well. Check all of the light housings and related bulbs to see if they are working, cracked or broken. Just something to be aware of. Does it have the rear tow bar/step? Some people take it off but you certainly want it with the truck either way. If a previous owner used it offroad they may have taken that off but you want to insure it comes with, otherwise if you ever need one for towing they are VERY expensive! Does it also have the rear ladder to the roof rack, and the side steps? Again, you may want to remove them yourself, but certainly want to have them with the truck. Check what transmission it has. Does it have the original LT77 transmission or the newer updated R380 transmission? You can tell if it has the LT77 or R380 by checking the pattern of the shifter. If reverse is on the upper left, it's the older LT77, if reverse is on the lower right, it's the newer R380. If you have the newer R380, although some say it's a tad weaker, I've never had problems with it, plus it means it was changed at some point recently and therefore you have a newer transmission in the truck. If you have the older LT77 insure that the wading plug comes with the truck. LT77 transmissions have a wading hole that needs to be plugged when going in deeper water or mud to prevent slop from getting into the transmission. The R380 no longer used one. It's good if it has one with the truck. If the truck has the older LT77 and it's been used offroad and it doesn't have the plug that's something to think about as it means that considerable slop may have gotten into the transmission and may result in costly repairs down the road Does the truck come with the original LR tool kit supplied with all NAS D110s and attached to the rear door? That's nice to have. Check under both front seats. Under the driver is where the battery is, and under the passenger is a storage area. In the storage area should be two tire stops, a tire iron and a jack. The jack handle should be attached to the base of the rear seat. Does the truck come with the radio code for the radio, if it's the original LR radio? You can get this from a dealer but it's nice to have it right away. The body panels are aluminum so they are prone to dings and small dents. A small number is not really a problem but if it looks really dinged up you should have considerable wiggle room on the price. Check for damage to the front windshield. The front windshield is heated so any damage to it may be a cause for replacement which will be very expensive. The headliner tends to sag a little in the corners after time. WHEW! Hope I didn't overload you. I love these trucks and wanted to give you everything I could think of off the top of my head. Let me know if you have any other questions. I hope this helps you in your search!! Jason Pipes NAS D110 165/500 From bens Fri Nov 15 14:40:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAFJeQd09865 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:40:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:40:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200211151940.gAFJePq09861@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: RE: Canadian Defender 110 NAS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org btw, one thing I forgot to mention in my previous post is that if you actually check www.defender110.net (even in it's unfinished state) you can go to the links section and there are a number of excellent links to bits and pieces of information on the NAS D110. I'll be adding some interesting NAS D110 news to the site very soon and will also be creating a dynamic online database listing all NAS D110s based upon Ben Smith's excellent work. jpipes From bens Fri Nov 15 14:51:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAFJpZU09928 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:51:35 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:51:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200211151951.gAFJpYL09924@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Canadian Defender 110 NAS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Blair has a Canadian model. Frank ------------------------------ Jon Turner wrote: >Hmm, then who am I thinking of - was sure we had at least one in NCRC. > From bens Fri Nov 15 14:53:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAFJrQ709947 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:53:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:53:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200211151953.gAFJrQV09943@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Canadian Defender 110 NAS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason Pipes wrote: >... I'm not aware that there were any differences, other than >the fact that a much smaller number were made specifically for Canada and >numbered as such. > Minor differences such as speedo in km, different heater - or added rear heater, headlights on always as req by Cdn regs, etc. Frank From bens Fri Nov 15 15:06:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAFK6NZ10018 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:06:23 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:06:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200211152006.gAFK6Nr10014@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Doyle, Kevin C (TULSA WU 595)" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Canadian Defender 110 NAS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 199 lines filtered. ] Jason, Wonderful information and thanks very much. I have been on your website and just about every other NAS D110 website in cyber space! The reason I am looking at this particular Defender is because a few weeks ago I called a buddy who happens to run the Land Rover Centre here in Tulsa. Told him I had heard about a Defender 110 NAS and I couldn't live without one. He called the other day and said: you're not going to believe this but the previous LRC owner was involved in over 2 of litigation over a Defender 110 NAS. After the settlement he (my buddy) bought it for the Land Rover Centre after it was in AZ for about two or three years. It is # 11/25, about 99% stock. I do not think there is another one in OK. Well, I ran over there with a friend who used to own one when he lived in North Carolina. He look ed it over-wistfully I might add-and said he should not have ever sold his and that this one is in great shape. Anyway, I want to use it as a daily driver 10-15 miles and for the occasional trip to Colorado fishing or skiing. Wanted to know if they were worth the effort and dough to look into. If you think of anything else, please let me know. Kevin D. From bens Fri Nov 15 15:08:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAFK8VE10033 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:08:31 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:08:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200211152008.gAFK8UW10029@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Doyle, Kevin C (TULSA WU 595)" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Canadian Defender 110 NAS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 30 lines filtered. ] I have found several references to NAS Defender 110's being in Haiti and the Philippines. Great project. KCD From bens Fri Nov 15 15:20:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAFKKP210104 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:20:25 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:20:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200211152020.gAFKKPM10100@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Anoraks... This site is for you Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org http://www.led.net/ Every sort of LED you can think of, including replacements for incandescent bulbs. -->Jeff From bens Fri Nov 15 16:09:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAFL91t10530 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:09:01 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:09:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200211152109.gAFL91410526@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: RE: Canadian Defender 110 NAS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 36 lines filtered. ] Glad the info was useful. Using the D110 as a daily driver totally depends on your personal preferences and tolerances. I use my D110 as a daily driver, and in fact it's my only vehicle right now. I know many others in NCRC and on Mendo use their D110s as daily drivers as well. Jon Turner, Chris Dow and Blair Peterson all use their D110s daily if I am not mistaken. Depending on the suspension setup the ride can range from driving a donkey cart to riding a very tipsy moving van. Those are two extremes though and with the right setup you can get a great ride. If it's a stock D110 that you're looking at I imagine the ride is fine, not too hard and not to boaty. Those factors mainly come into play once you begin to upgrade the shocks and springs to account for desired lift or planned upgrades like winches. Chris Dow can tell you that with certain shocks and springs (to account for towing an airstream trailer in his case) the ride is rough and uncomfortable without the trailer in tow! I don't find the 110 to be as noisy as in a 90, although compared to a Discovery (which I had prior to my 110) it is much louder. I find that over all the noise level in the cabin is not that bad, all things considered. The stereo that is stock on the truck is barely adequate for listening to, unless you like something akin to an 8-track sound system. I still haven't upgraded the stereo but have always planned to someday. I really enjoy music on the road (not on the trail though) but if you don't mind lower quality sound it might not be an issue. And speaking of on the road, I find driving long distances to be comfortable and enjoyable in the 110. This again is in direct proportion to your personal preferences and tolerances. One of the biggest complaints people have about the 110 is it's size and the difficulty driving and parking it. I will just say that in all the miles I have driven my 110 I have never had a problem driving in the city or anyplace else. I find it to be an easy to maneuver vehicle that is in fact considerably less difficult to drive in the city compared to many other vehicles! It all comes down to knowing the limitations of your ride, and this is something few people posses, mainly in other vehicles. I often see people hesitating to make left turns aside another car even though they could fit TWO of their cars into the same space. Knowing your truck and getting to know its limitations is the single best way to be able to comfortably handle it in the city and as a daily driver. As for parking, I've parked it in places smaller cars passed by and never once hit another car in the process. Parking in garages *IS* an issue as the height with the roof rack limits you to more than most of the standard garage sizes. I need an 8 foot 2 inch opening to not get into trouble, and there are a limited number of those around. If you're looking to haul stuff around you also can't get much more room than in a 110. Something to consider about use as a daily driver more than anything else is your comfort level in dealing with and/or fixing little (and sometimes big) issues that can crop up on any Land Rover. Random and not always so pleasant issues are not unknown to plague Defenders, especially NAS 110s as the are now over 11 years old. Having an open mind, a willingness to confront these various issues with resolve and the ability to tinker with them comfortably are all important qualities to posses. I think it's safe to save you have to let your love for the D110 run more than skin deep to truly enjoy the full experience. A good example of this that I didn't mention in my previous message is that many Defenders have gauges that simply fail and refuse to work. This requires fixing or replacing them, or depending on the gauge in question going without them. This is but one of the many idiosyncrasies of the NAS D110 but in the end hasn't, in my case anyway, prevented me from loving the truck and using it as a daily driver. jpipes From bens Fri Nov 15 17:24:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAFMOL411095 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:24:21 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:24:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200211152224.gAFMOKO11091@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Lou Weinert" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mk2 Cortina (No LR Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org

Frank,

His name is Bob Pratt and his no. is 510-658-4268. I have 2 Mk1 Cortinas, a GT and a Lotus. Bob is the man and has an endless supply of Mk1 & 2 cars in various states and parts. Also he has a lot of info on any EnFo product. Prepare for any political discussion.

-Lou Weinert


The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* From bens Fri Nov 15 18:42:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAFNg5t11468 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:42:05 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:42:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200211152342.gAFNg4s11464@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Canuck D110s Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yup, that'd be me.. owner of #20/25 (Nick sold his Canadian version). Only differences from US version are a block heater, speedo in klicks, daytime running lights and a neat auxiliary cabin heater under the front pax seat. Oh, and some of the documentation is en francais as well as English. Cheers, Blair PS: Jason-- excellent treatises on D110 ownership. You CAN'T ever sell! From bens Fri Nov 15 18:51:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAFNpVd11517 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:51:31 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:51:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200211152351.gAFNpVx11513@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Ed Sanman To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Portland ABFM news Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I wouldn't worry about O'Malley being off-leash while camping. The only concern centered around the display and swap-meet days. One bad "Kellogg" spoiled it for all. As far as camping next year, everything should be back to normal. The word right now is - no "Night Drags"! =8^) But, look for an association with a vintage car racing group, SOVREN, in the future. Portland International Raceway wants more revenue for the weekend than the ABFM draws. And, they say they'll cooperate with the Land Rover group and allow us to cross the track between races to get to the "Jungle Course". That's the latest. Ed From bens Fri Nov 15 19:32:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAG0Wq811696 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:32:52 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:32:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200211160032.gAG0Wpv11692@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: FW: Range Rover Needed for Photo Shoot Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3120222867_2690416 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit If anyone has an appropriate vehicle available, this might be fun... > ------ Forwarded Message > From: "Ilana Weiss" > Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:57:09 -0800 > To: president@norcalrover.org, publicaffairs@norcalrover.org > Subject: Range Rover Needed for Photo Shoot > > I was wondering if any of your members would be willing to let us photograph > their Range Rover for a 3 hour photo shoot on Wednesday November 20. We are > looking for a late model (70's-80's) Range Rover with the steering wheel on > the right side preferably. They need to be in the bay area (Marin, San > Francisco, East Bay) so we can go to the location of the vehicle. They will be > paid for photographing their vehicle. You can reach be on my cell phone at > 415-250-6078. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > > Best Regards, [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ------ End of Forwarded Message --B_3120222867_2690416 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable FW: Range Rover Needed for Photo Shoot
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I was wondering if any of your memb= ers would be willing to let us photograph their Range Rover for a 3 hour &nb= sp;photo shoot on Wednesday November 20. We are looking for a late model (70= 's-80's) Range Rover with the steering wheel on the right side preferably. T= hey need to be in the bay area (Marin, San Francisco, East Bay) so we can go= to the location of the vehicle. They will be paid for photographing their v= ehicle. You can reach be on my cell phone at 415-250-6078. Any assistance wo= uld be greatly appreciated.

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 --B_3120222867_2690416-- From bens Fri Nov 15 21:02:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAG22kc12154 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 21:02:46 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 21:02:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200211160202.gAG22jv12150@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeremy Bartlett To: mendo Subject: New Mud Run Venue Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well disappointed as I am I'm not surprised the locale for the mud run will be closed. I've actually been searching for a few years for an alternate route ... to no avail. I guess it is important that one of the most sediment rich basins be protected from sediment ..... but that's just my informed opinion :). I've been considering a run from east to west across the Mendocino Nat. Forest as an alternate. It could be extremely challenging (mud, snow, high streams). A possible route is from Lake Pillsbury south to the Rice fork and up past Goat Mtn. The down side is this is likely to be long if it is a truely tough winter. Thoughts? Jeremy From bens Fri Nov 15 21:02:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAG22gk12145 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 21:02:42 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 21:02:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200211160202.gAG22gL12141@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: NAS 110 Project work, WAS Re: Canadian Defender 110 NAS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, since Jason mentioned me I thought I would chime in. I wouldn't say that our 110 is a daily driver - mainly because having the manual transmission is too painful for those stop and go commutes. Also, I tend to like to take things apart on it and use it as a weekend project vehicle. Emily likes driving her small car, but it is also nice to have a larger vehicle around when we need it. I just got my newly machined heads back, btw. One of the valves was burnt, and we also replaced all the springs since they all tested about 20 lbs low. This weekend I'll be rebuilding the top end of the engine (so if anyone is interested in helping??? or just wants to see the inside of a Rover V8 and how to change the gaskets, etc). This has been a good learning project so far - I'm gaining knowledge about the quirks of the Rover V8, and also about the Buick parts interchangeability (most of my previous experience is military vehicles and the good ole' mouse motor and Quadrajet). Mike Green at West Coast British has been a big help to me with this - I told him that I wanted to do everything I could do myself by myself, so he has been coaching me (and I did the head-job through him) and I've been buying my parts off him as needed - nice having a garage full of Rover parts only a few miles from the house, especially when they come with advice! I know that Mike enjoys a somewhat checkered reputation with some NCRC folks, but I have found him to be an extremely competent and honest Rover mechanic and enthusiast, FWIW. After this, next project is to figure out why my radio fuse keeps blowing... Have a great weekend all, Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Pipes" To: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 1:09 PM Subject: RE: Canadian Defender 110 NAS > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ Included Original Message ] > [ 36 lines filtered. ] > Glad the info was useful. > > Using the D110 as a daily driver totally depends on your personal > preferences and tolerances. I use my D110 as a daily driver, and in fact > it's my only vehicle right now. I know many others in NCRC and on Mendo use > their D110s as daily drivers as well. Jon Turner, Chris Dow and Blair > Peterson all use their D110s daily if I am not mistaken. From bens Fri Nov 15 22:07:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAG37mJ12526 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 22:07:48 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 22:07:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200211160307.gAG37lK12522@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: FW: Range Rover Needed for Photo Shoot Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org jeez, flip the negative and you've got a RHD truck. Can't be that many people in the states who can tell a US spec from European Rangie specially from the 70s or 80s. Am I missing something? On Friday, November 15, 2002, at 04:32 PM, Jeff Rogers wrote: > >> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not >> understand > this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. > > --B_3120222867_2690416 > Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > [ 93 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Nov 15 22:58:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAG3wGN12793 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 22:58:16 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 22:58:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200211160358.gAG3wFf12789@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: RR right hand drive shoot Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 22 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" Weird huh? I contacted her..great lady..Not sure why she wants a RHD, but I offered = her my 2 , a 1972 RR ambulance, and the RHD D130. She's checking out the = stock on Monday...I'll let you know... From bens Fri Nov 15 23:16:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAG4GUX12876 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 23:16:30 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 23:16:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200211160416.gAG4GUc12872@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Eric Schoenman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mk2 Cortina (No LR Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org yeah, forgot to mention that Bob has a tendency to rope you into a political discussion. back when i lived down the street, his big rant was the RCPC (Rockridge community planning commision (?), i think). they were always trying to shut down his shop because he had too many cars parked in his driveway and on the street (sounds a little bit like Fremont). that was always good for about a minumum of a half hour discussion. good luck, Eric On Friday, November 15, 2002, at 02:24 PM, Lou Weinert wrote: > >
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Frank,

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His name is Bob Pratt and his no. is 510-658-4268. I have 2 Mk1 > Cortinas, a GT and a Lotus. Bob is the man and has an endless > supply of Mk1 & 2 cars in various states and parts. Also he has a > lot of info on any EnFo product. Prepare for any political > discussion.

>

-Lou Weinert


The new From: "Lou Weinert" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: FW: Range Rover Needed for Photo Shoot Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org



>From: John Hess
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 22:07:47 -0500
>
>jeez, flip the negative and you've got a RHD truck. Can't be that many
>people in the states who can tell a US spec from European Rangie
>specially from the 70s or 80s. Am I missing something?
>
Yes, any signage would be backwards. Then again there's always Photoshop!

-Lou Weinert


Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* From bens Fri Nov 15 23:28:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAG4S2K13004 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 23:28:02 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 23:28:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200211160428.gAG4S2913000@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Lou Weinert" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mk2 Cortina (No LR Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org





>From: Eric Schoenman
>Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org
>To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org
>Subject: Re: Mk2 Cortina (No LR Content)
>Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 23:16:30 -0500
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>yeah, forgot to mention that Bob has a tendency to rope you into a
>political discussion. back when i lived down the street, his big rant
>was the RCPC (Rockridge community planning commision (?), i think).
>they were always trying to shut down his shop because he had too many
>cars parked in his driveway and on the street (sounds a little bit like
>Fremont). that was always good for about a minumum of a half hour
>discussion.
>
>good luck,
>Eric

Bob hasn't changed too much. His latest cause is anti-traffic calming, street narrowing in Oakland/Berkeley, fighting the "bicycle Taliban" (SF Bike Coalition) and Oakland's blight laws (re: "Get these old cars outta here!").

He's also building an alloy 2 liter BDA powered Anglia for the expressed purpose of iviscerating Hondas. His stock of Cortinas and parts is shocking. One of my more interesting friends.

-Lou


Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. From bens Sat Nov 16 00:02:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAG52sa13326 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 00:02:54 -0500 Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 00:02:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200211160502.gAG52rh13322@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Canadian Defender 110 NAS - as Daily Driver Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Keep in mind that the footprint of a D110 is a tad bit smaller than a Volvo stationwagon. Frank From bens Sat Nov 16 00:06:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAG56A913393 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 00:06:10 -0500 Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 00:06:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200211160506.gAG56AS13389@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mk2 Cortina (No LR Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >
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>From: Eric Schoenman
>Reply-To: >mendo_recce@fourfold.org
>To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >
>Subject: Re: Mk2 Cortina (No LR Content)
>Date: Fri, >15 Nov 2002 23:16:30 -0500
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>yeah, forgot to mention [ 21 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- Blaming Guns for Crime is Like Blaming Spoons for Rosie O'Donnell Being Fat From bens Sat Nov 16 00:25:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAG5PtB14569 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 00:25:55 -0500 Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 00:25:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200211160525.gAG5Ps614565@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mk2 Cortina (No LR Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks Lou, will give him a call this weekend. Frank ---------------------------- Lou Weinert wrote: >... >

His name is Bob Pratt and his no. is 510-658-4268. I have 2 Mk1 Cortinas, a GT and a Lotus. Bob is the man and has an endless supply of Mk1 & > From bens Sat Nov 16 19:17:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAH0HxS20703 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 19:17:59 -0500 Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 19:17:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200211170017.gAH0Hxk20699@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: e mail/browser question NO LR content Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 33 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" I have a simple question..but I can't find the "hoe to" answer anywhere: When someone sends a link to a URL in an e-mail, and I click on it, it = opens with a particular browser. How do I change which browser opens the = link?=20 I have both Incredimail and Outlook as my e-mail programs, soon to = re-install Eudora. any suggestions? Thanks.. Daniel =20 From bens Sun Nov 17 00:12:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAH5CVw22614 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 00:12:31 -0500 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 00:12:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200211170512.gAH5CVc22610@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: e mail/browser question NO LR content Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org easy, under the apple menu, pull down system prefs. click on internet, then web. set the default browser. On Saturday, November 16, 2002, at 04:17 PM, Daniel Oppenheim wrote: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; ] > [ 33 lines filtered. ] > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > I have a simple question..but I can't find the "hoe to" answer > anywhere: [ 17 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Nov 17 01:28:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAH6S9x23651 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 01:28:09 -0500 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 01:28:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200211170628.gAH6S9A23647@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: New Mud Run Venue Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org That sounds good to me! :^) Another thing we might consider is the Knoxville OHV - it was pretty muddy last year. Although, nothing like Sherwood Road when it's really good. -->Jeff on 11/15/02 6:02 PM, Jeremy Bartlett at jjbartlett@earthlink.net wrote: > > Well disappointed as I am I'm not surprised the locale for the mud run > will be closed. I've actually been searching for a few years for an > alternate route ... to > no avail. I guess it is important that one of the most sediment rich > basins be protected from sediment ..... but that's just my informed > opinion :). > > I've been considering a run from east to west across the Mendocino Nat. [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Nov 17 02:19:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAH7Jxr23849 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 02:19:59 -0500 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 02:19:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200211170719.gAH7Jxl23845@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: Portland ABFM news Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Ed: Saw your rig in a recent issue of LROI. Looks like you are running the Wolfe rims with 285/75R16's. I was looking at the recommended rim size for that tire size and both Goodyear and BFG recommend at least a 7.5" width. The Wolfe rim is a 6.5 right? Have you had any trouble keeping that rubber on the rim when aired down? I'm switching to steel rims and I'm interested in hearing what you have to say about your steelies. -->Jeff on 11/15/02 3:51 PM, Ed Sanman at eds@ceoregon.com wrote: > > I wouldn't worry about O'Malley being off-leash while camping. The only > concern centered around the display and swap-meet days. One bad "Kellogg" > spoiled it for all. > As far as camping next year, everything should be back to normal. The word > right now is - no "Night Drags"! =8^) But, look for an association with a > vintage car racing group, SOVREN, in the future. Portland International > Raceway wants more revenue for the weekend than the ABFM draws. And, they > say they'll cooperate with the Land Rover group and allow us to cross the [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Nov 17 21:42:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAI2gxr29284 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 21:42:59 -0500 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 21:42:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200211180242.gAI2gxN29280@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: RE: Canuck D110s Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org PS: Jason-- excellent treatises on D110 ownership. You CAN'T ever sell! I agree %100. Mehdi From bens Sun Nov 17 23:25:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAI4Pp029840 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 23:25:51 -0500 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 23:25:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200211180425.gAI4PpF29835@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Broken Axle (again) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, Well I was right, I broke the long axle (left side). I thought I was saving money and it looked good, but I should have replaced it when I had it apart 8 months ago. I'll call around to see who has everything in stock and order up. Cheers, Keith & Pam Shukait Northern California Rover Club Mendo-Reece List Digest Version Dormobile Owner Register 1997 Land Rover Discovery XD "YLLWJKT" 1969 Land Rover Series IIA ExMoD 109 Regular "Millie" 1967 Land Rover Series IIA NADA 6 Cylinder Dormobile "Indiana" From bens Mon Nov 18 01:37:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAI6bSC31879 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 01:37:28 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 01:37:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200211180637.gAI6bS231875@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shane Ballensky To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New Mud Run Venue Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org just mention tuff and I'm interested:) At 06:02 PM 11/15/02, you wrote: >Well disappointed as I am I'm not surprised the locale for the mud run >will be closed. I've actually been searching for a few years for an >alternate route ... to >no avail. I guess it is important that one of the most sediment rich >basins be protected from sediment ..... but that's just my informed >opinion :). > >I've been considering a run from east to west across the Mendocino Nat. >Forest as an alternate. It could be extremely challenging (mud, snow, [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Shane From bens Mon Nov 18 09:46:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAIEkfm01914 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:46:41 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:46:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200211181446.gAIEkeY01906@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mk2 Cortina (No LR Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry: Russ didn't know that both of the Cortinas have been sold - the latter of the two is awaiting the movement of Gambrinus, to enable its being removed from the yard. Yes - Bob Pratt is the man to call: 510-658-4268. I used to stop by there on occasion when driving trucks through the area last year - when Paul wasn't home. Charles On Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:03:37 -0500 "Franklin H. Yap" writes: > > Hi, I didn't get a list of the parts. However, he indicated he'll > buy a > complete car (if cheap) to get the parts he needs. I'll talk to > Charles > when he gets back. > > Frank > [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Mon Nov 18 09:46:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAIEkfs01913 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:46:41 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:46:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200211181446.gAIEkeT01904@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Driving Miss Gillian... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks, after many a battle, Gillian is now sitting in a warehouse in Visalia! She's also finally wearing a matched set of rear leaf springs, a new pilot shaft bushing, input shaft seal, transfer case bottom cover gasket, rebuilt engine, proper steering box - why, she actually makes fantastic turns now!!! I drove her up on Thursday night, and she ran flawlessly: only had to make two downshifts over the Grapevine, and one was due to a slower vehicle than my own. I averaged 55-60MPH - since this was her maiden voyage with this engine, I was careful. Only real glitches are: NO instrument panel lights at all!!! (I forgot the switch had shorted out last time I drove her - I do have a replacement) NO low beams! It was a-hella foggy!!!!! It's either the wiring (very patched up), or a bad high.low switch. I have yet to install the Uber Heater (the Southwind/SW turbine), but will shortly. The good part is that there is very littl air getting through the bulkhead now! (installed a new column gasket with the steering box... MUCH less cold air now) She runs great, though at initial start up she billows blue smoke (Dave - what did you do???), but after warming up, she spits out black smoke - if any at all. I should have replaced the 1st/2nd synchro ring while I was at it, but oh well... Next up - new springs on the SW, maybe a clutch, and maybe the new tinted glass! Charles ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Mon Nov 18 10:20:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAIFK9W02131 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:20:09 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:20:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200211181520.gAIFK9i02127@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Driving Miss Gillian... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....at initial start up she billows blue smoke (Dave - what did you do???)..." Never had blue smoke. White on startup, but the key was to just get going. It would smoke forever if I let it idle in the drive, but it would be gone after the first 1/4 mile if I just got in and drove. I also had black smoke on flooring it, but chalked that up to having the throttle limiter screw backed way out (who do you s'pose taught me THAT????) because I could always find place to modulate the throttle where I got max power with no smoke, going further on the pedal would make smoke, but no more power. But, you're on a whole different pump and (potentially) injection timing, so I can't take much responsibility for smoke. :^) FWIW, it does have new Deves rings (ridge reamed and scuff honed as cyl walls were in spec for size and taper) maybe 1,000 miles ago, and a valve job w. new exhaust valves, guides, and all seals at the same time. I've never tested compression, but it should be good, as evidenced by power output. Glad she's running again. -Dave G. From bens Mon Nov 18 12:20:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAIHKg302974 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:20:42 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:20:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200211181720.gAIHKgu02970@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: RE: Broken Axle (again) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org get the LR shafts. It is a bit more, but brakes cleaner. Mehdi see who has everything in stock and order up. From bens Mon Nov 18 13:25:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAIIPIt03461 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:25:18 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:25:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200211181825.gAIIPIZ03455@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Driving Miss Gillian... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:20:09 -0500 "Gomes, David" writes: > > Never had blue smoke. White on startup, but the key was to just get > going. > It would smoke forever if I let it idle in the drive, but it would > be gone > after the first 1/4 mile if I just got in and drove. Yeah - it's about the same...drive it 1/4 -1/2 a mile, and the smoke's gone. I also had > black smoke > on flooring it, but chalked that up to having the throttle limiter > screw > backed way out (who do you s'pose taught me THAT????) Hey...the book sez: "the maximum throttle screw should be set to 4200RPM, which equals 48MPH in 3rd gear...". THat's how Gillian has always been set...maybe that's why she's a " fast attack diesel". :) > But, you're on a whole different pump and (potentially) injection > timing, so > I can't take much responsibility for smoke. :^) Oh - I was VERY careful here! I made sure that the timing marks were right-on! > Glad she's running again. ...understatement of the year!!!!!!! :) Charles ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Mon Nov 18 15:49:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAIKnIp04783 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:49:18 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:49:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200211182049.gAIKnIV04779@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Ed Sanman To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Wolf Rims Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jeff - Yes, I'm running 285/75-16's on 6.5" Wolf rims. I air down a lot, and have never had a problem. I've run the tires as low as 8 pounds for most of a day with no issues. But, we don't really do much rock crawling up here. I didn't research the recommended rim size, but probably should have at least considered it. I used to run 255/85's, and wanted the little extra bit of side protection since much of our wheeling seems to involve muddy side slopes with trees. Ed From: Jeff Rogers Subject: Re: Portland ABFM news Hey Ed: Saw your rig in a recent issue of LROI. Looks like you are running the Wolfe rims with 285/75R16's. I was looking at the recommended rim size for that tire size and both Goodyear and BFG recommend at least a 7.5" width. The Wolfe rim is a 6.5 right? Have you had any trouble keeping that rubber on the rim when aired down? I'm switching to steel rims and I'm interested in hearing what you have to say about your steelies. From bens Mon Nov 18 17:38:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAIMcRq05719 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:38:27 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:38:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200211182238.gAIMcRL05715@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: SW Tahoe area trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello, I will be wheelin' and camping with friends this Wed thru Fri. If anyone is interested you may call me for further info (not currently following email). Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW 408-348-3688 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From bens Mon Nov 18 18:03:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAIN3Hj05962 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:03:17 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:03:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200211182303.gAIN3Ha05958@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Rangie for sale - CHEAP Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...NOT MINE!!!!! Folks, a friend of mine is moving back east, and wants (needs) to sell his '89 Rangie. Not sure of mileage, but straight body (gold), and does need a little TLC. He was asking $3500, but has dropped the price down to $1500. (I would buy it, but was recently offered a Series 1 E-Type Coupe for $3500 - with a year to pay it off!!!!!) His name is Chris, and he can be found at 310-562-2685. Charles ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Mon Nov 18 19:47:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAJ0lMI06896 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:47:22 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:47:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200211190047.gAJ0lM306892@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: It lives! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, 1 week after tearing the top off the 110s engine, I finished reassembly and it started right up. I now feel like I know a lot more about the Rover V8, so this has been a good exercise to go through. When I need to change belts/hoses in the future it should be a much easier job. From bens Mon Nov 18 21:53:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAJ2rP807566 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:53:25 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:53:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200211190253.gAJ2rPm07562@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: 20kv wire (No LR Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, Does anyone know where I can buy about 10 feet of 20kv (20,000 volts) underground hook-up wire? I called several local hardware stores, Orchards, Ace, etc. and other electrical suppliers but so far no luck. East Bay preferable. Frank From bens Mon Nov 18 22:38:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAJ3cow07856 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:38:50 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:38:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200211190338.gAJ3coo07852@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 20kv wire (No LR Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...FInally gonna connect that Flux Capacitor in your Rover, eh? :) Charles On Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:53:25 -0500 "Franklin H. Yap" writes: > > Hi, > > Does anyone know where I can buy about 10 feet of 20kv (20,000 > volts) > underground hook-up wire? I called several local hardware stores, > Orchards, Ace, etc. and other electrical suppliers but so far no > luck. > East Bay preferable. [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Mon Nov 18 23:28:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAJ4Stk08118 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:28:55 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:28:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200211190428.gAJ4Stn08114@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mk2 Cortina (No LR Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles R Irvin wrote: >... >Yes - Bob Pratt is the man to call: 510-658-4268. I used to stop by there >on occasion when driving trucks through the area last year - when Paul >wasn't home. > Went by his place over the weekend. He is SERIOUSLY into Cortinas, Anglias. And, it is a good thing someone on the list mentioned I would be coming over ... especially since I was taking pictures. Frank From bens Tue Nov 19 01:55:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAJ6tAY10436 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:55:10 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:55:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200211190655.gAJ6t9410432@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce Subject: BW: 1, Deer: 0 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Around me in NJ there deer. Lots of deer. The Deer managment zone that I live in is 172.0 square miles. 5229 deer were harvested there last year. yes 30.4/square mile. And there still are too many. Approx 0115 Tusday morning. Roosevelt Road (about 1 mile from my house) Going 30 mph. A pair of does are on the shoulder-- 4 feet above the road and 10 feet back. I see this senario ever time I go for a drive. Sometimes 3 to 5 times each trip. Unlike 99% of the other deer, they decide to run for it--into the road. One strikes the right front BP brush bar. I hit the deer right in the flank. Which knocks it over. Thump (front right tire). Thump (rear right tire). One squished, broken, dead deer. It didn't even hit the bar hard enough to push it back a little (which I can do by hand) since the mount holes are a little bigger then the bolts, so there is an inch or so of rotational play. No bar damage. No panel damage. The tires appear to be ok. And it drove home fine. I decided that I didn't want to deer blood all over the Disco. And at 1am everyone that would help is asleep. And I didn't feel like lifting a broken carcass into the 101 by myself. So I left the carcass on the side of the road for the scavengers. So the BW now has 2 kills. (A heron last spring). Maybe I should start painting siloettes on the door. Firearm season starts on Monday. So the BW got a deer before I did. But at least then I can drag it back to the garage for butchering with the tractor. Ben From bens Tue Nov 19 09:49:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAJEn6Z13006 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:49:06 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:49:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200211191449.gAJEn6013002@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: A Car is Reborn Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 45 lines filtered. ] I caught a couple installments of a series (see Subject) on TV last night (Discovery Home and Leisure) where they're covering a ground-up restoration of a '65 Series 1 E-type roadster. Beautiful car, and the coverage is pretty good too. One half hour show was dedicated to paint (not even body prep, just painting), and another was dedicated to putting the rear suspension subframe in the car and assembling the front suspension parts. The good news is it got me thinking I should be working on the 120. The bad news is that means I have to face the cold hard reality that putting a 200 Tdi in the 109 is really going to be an unacceptable drain on time (mostly) and money (somewhat) that could be better used elsewhere. If someone offered to give this thing (109SW) a good home they'd be getting: Like new Santana OD New HD leaf springs (fronts lined with UHMWPE) Solid radiator rebuilt steering box & column Rebuilt brake and clutch masters Solid Rover front axle ENV 1-ton rear axle S3 trans and transfer case with rebuilt output and park brake Tub and front clip in good shape Solid bulkhead with modified Scout heater fitted to passenger footwell Doors are rough Interior is quite rough Roof is very rough The trouble is, I'm not sure I could bear to sell it.... Maybe what I'm really after is for someone to make me so good a deal on a 200Tdi that I can't afford NOT to do that. :^) What a curse to be emotionally involved with vehicles.... :^((( -Dave G. From bens Tue Nov 19 10:23:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAJFNp113232 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:23:51 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:23:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200211191523.gAJFNp713228@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: A Car is Reborn Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave, We can always take my rebuilt diesel engine, and convert it back to petrol for 'ya........ Just a thought... Charles P.S. On the way back from Janet's, we spotted a beautiful 120 on a trailer - looked like it was being setup as a vintage racer On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:49:06 -0500 "Gomes, David" writes: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ Included Original Message ] > [ 45 lines filtered. ] > I caught a couple installments of a series (see Subject) on TV last > night > (Discovery Home and Leisure) where they're covering a ground-up > restoration > of a '65 Series 1 E-type roadster. Beautiful car, and the coverage [ 43 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Tue Nov 19 10:45:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAJFjQF13370 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:45:26 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:45:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200211191545.gAJFjQd13366@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: A Car is Reborn Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....convert it back to petrol for 'ya..." A big part of why I'm not doing the MB conversion is I just think the truck SHOULD be a diesel, AND a Land Rover (no discussion necessary!). I'll make an honest effort to see if I can find a Tdi at something close to a reasonable price.... -Dave From bens Tue Nov 19 11:27:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAJGR2a13662 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:27:02 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:27:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200211191627.gAJGR1c13658@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: BW: 1, Deer: 0 - (Go, Ben, Go!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yes - spreading disease and, because they have no full time predators (Disco's excepted) they are changing the local ecology. back East esp. thanks to the Bambi lovers. Other smaller species are driven out. Native plant species are disappearing.(Of course, poison oak and ivy are not on their "prefered salad" list) Rats with Antlers. They must be suppressed. Thank you >>> bens@fourfold.org 11/18/02 10:55PM >>> Around me in NJ there deer. Lots of deer. The Deer managment zone that I live in is 172.0 square miles. 5229 deer were harvested there last year. yes 30.4/square mile. And there still are too many. Approx 0115 Tusday morning. Roosevelt Road (about 1 mile from my house) Going 30 mph. A pair of does are on the shoulder-- 4 feet above the road and 10 feet back. I see this senario ever time I go for a drive. Sometimes 3 to 5 times each trip. Unlike 99% of the other deer, they decide to run for it--into the road. One strikes the right front BP brush bar. I hit the deer right in the flank. Which knocks it over. Thump (front right tire). Thump (rear right tire). One squished, broken, dead deer. It didn't even hit the bar hard enough to push it back a little (which I can do by hand) since the mount holes are a little bigger then the bolts, so there is an inch or so of rotational play. No bar damage. No panel damage. The tires appear to be ok. And it drove home fine. I decided that I didn't want to deer blood all over the Disco. And at 1am everyone that would help is asleep. And I didn't feel like lifting a broken carcass into the 101 by myself. So I left the carcass on the side of the road for the scavengers. So the BW now has 2 kills. (A heron last spring). Maybe I should start painting siloettes on the door. Firearm season starts on Monday. So the BW got a deer before I did. But at least then I can drag it back to the garage for butchering with the tractor. Ben From bens Tue Nov 19 11:35:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAJGZqH13737 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:35:52 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:35:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200211191635.gAJGZpC13733@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: BW: 1, Deer: 0 - (Go, Ben, Go!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org That's it, I'll get the people in animal science to do a GMO deer that likes to eat poison oak and poison Ivy. What a great idea. I'll be rich :) -Rob From bens Tue Nov 19 12:04:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAJH4S914197 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:04:28 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:04:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200211191704.gAJH4Sd14193@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: BW: 1, Deer: 0 - (Go, Ben, Go!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...Rats with Antlers...." But tasty! -Dave G. From bens Tue Nov 19 12:11:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAJHBc914293 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:11:38 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:11:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200211191711.gAJHBcB14289@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: A Car is Reborn Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I dunno...you may end up buying a complete vehicle because it's cheaper! Charles On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:45:26 -0500 "Gomes, David" writes: > > I'll make > an honest effort to see if I can find a Tdi at something close to a > reasonable price.... ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Tue Nov 19 12:15:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAJHF8Z14330 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:15:08 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:15:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200211191715.gAJHF7o14326@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Fw: SoCal MG SWAP MEET Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Usually Karen sends this to the list about the same time that I get the email, but it appears that I've beaten her this time. :) Charles --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: rfeibusch1@earthlink.net (Richard Feibusch) To: "B+Midget Magazine" Cc: "American MGB Association" , Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 13:50:02 -0800 Subject: SoCal MG SWAP MEET Message-ID: British Car Fun In Southern California!!! * LARGEST ALL MG CALIFORNIA PARTS EVENT * Sunday, November 24, 2002, 7 a.m. to 2 p.m. The Vintage MG Club of Southern California's 23rd Annual Parts Exchange has been moved to John F. Kennedy High School, in La Palma, CA. located at 8281 Walker Street, the northwest corner of Crescent and Walker in La Palma. ---------------------------------------------- This report of last year's meet comes from Martin Johnson Long Beach, CA: I don't know if you were there last year, but even though it's billed as a MG swap meet, there are LOTS of other British marque parts on sale. I sold over $500 worth of odds-n-ends last year, and bought about $200 worth of stuff for my project cars, AND hooked up with a guy I had not seen for about ten years that gave me leads that resulted in my purchasing a basket- case MGTC. I'm definitely going back this year. ---------------------------------------------- * Sellers $20.00 per swap space SPACES ARE LIMITED, SO COME EARLY * Admission $4.00 per person * Refreshments available on site * Directions:(From the 91, east of the 605) Take the Carmenita exit south (right) Turn left onto La Palma for two lights Turn right onto Walker. Drive beyond La Luna and look to the right for signs * Map available at: * EARLYBIRDS, Please line up in the student parking lot. --------------------------------------------- For more information, call Jerry Austin at: 714-995-4523, or email: "Jerry Austin" Visit the VMG Website, for more information, and a detailed map. Vintage MG Club of Southern California. Check out our website: This is the one that was in Pasadena. The old facility is no longer available. Hi Rick First, thanks for spreading the information on British car activities. Even though I'm a MG guy, I check out all the British car shows I can, regardless who puts it on. Anyway, do you have the scoop on the VMG club swap-meet? It's November 24th, 2002 opening at 7:00 am. It's in a new place this year; JFK High School in La Palma. I think that's in the Garden Grove area. I don't know if you were there last year, but even though it's billed as a MG swap meet, there are LOTS of other British marque parts on sale. I sold over $500 worth of odds-n-ends last year, and bought about $200 worth of stuff for my project cars, AND hooked up with a guy I had not seen for about ten years that gave me leads that resulted in my purchasing a basket-case MGTC. I'm definitely going back this year, in fact I volunteered to work the entrance gate for a couple of hours. Thanks, Martin Johnson Long Beach, CA ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Tue Nov 19 12:25:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAJHPNc14413 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:25:23 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:25:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200211191725.gAJHPNf14409@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: BW: 1, Deer: 0 - (Go, Ben, Go!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kind of like how Jackalope tastes eh Dave??? Michael >"...Rats with Antlers...." > >But tasty! > >-Dave G. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From bens Tue Nov 19 12:30:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAJHUIK14449 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:30:18 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:30:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200211191730.gAJHUI514445@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: BW: 1, Deer: 0 - (Go, Ben, Go!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In northern VA where my Dad lives, there is a similar problem. Except there is a group that wants to ban hunting and instead use birth control to control the deer population. From bens Tue Nov 19 12:31:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAJHVSl14471 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:31:28 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:31:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200211191731.gAJHVRU14466@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Shannon Holland" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: BW: 1, Deer: 0 - (Go, Ben, Go!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thankfully, you did not say tastier! We could just call them rantlers for short. Shannon On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 9:24AM -0800, Gomes, David wrote: From bens Tue Nov 19 12:48:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAJHmtk14592 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:48:55 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:48:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200211191748.gAJHmta14588@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Casey McMullen" To: Subject: RE: 1, Deer: 0 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Aak, butchering with a tractor. I don't think I'd like to watch that. :) From bens Tue Nov 19 12:53:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAJHrFw14627 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:53:15 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:53:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200211191753.gAJHrFH14623@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: BW: 1, Deer: 0 - (Go, Ben, Go!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So we'll have Planned Parenthood Clinics for deer! Along with the obligatory protests, blocking deer paths to front door, deer arriving in disguise, etc. >>> jhoward@sextans.lowell.edu 11/19/02 09:30AM >>> In northern VA where my Dad lives, there is a similar problem. Except there is a group that wants to ban hunting and instead use birth control to control the deer population. From bens Tue Nov 19 12:54:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAJHsFe14650 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:54:15 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:54:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200211191754.gAJHsFA14646@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: 1, Deer: 0 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Casey said> > Aak, butchering with a tractor. I don't think I'd like to > watch that. :) If this were the LRO list, this is were a group of people would get pissed off and spin off the Vegetarian Mendo_recce list= veg_mendo_recce@fourfold.org -Rob From bens Tue Nov 19 13:11:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAJIBN914785 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:11:23 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:11:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200211191811.gAJIBNO14781@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Shannon Holland" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: 1, Deer: 0 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I knew this list was a haven way back when jeremy sliced up a deer using the diamond grill on his bumper. Seem to recall some rather interesting comments at that time... Shannon On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:01AM -0800, Kerner, Rob wrote: From bens Tue Nov 19 13:20:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAJIK2J14849 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:20:02 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:20:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200211191820.gAJIK2l14845@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: 1, Deer: 0 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All this reminds me of a story... I met a trucker in a bar in Bozeman, Mt. He was stranded there for a couple days so he could get his truck fixed because he hit a deer. He told me about a guy who was driving a semi up in Alaska, he saw a moose in the road a ways up, hit the brakes and stopped right in front of it. The moose didn't move an inch, until it attacked his rig, putting a large hole in the radiator, stranding the trucker. Guess that evened the score a little bit. Stirling . __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From bens Tue Nov 19 13:48:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAJImeB14980 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:48:40 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:48:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200211191848.gAJImdQ14976@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: RE: 1, Deer: 0 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Fact is, deer have kill more people per year, because of auto accidents, than all other more "dangerous" species combined. Sharks, bears, rattlers, crocs, etc. It's over 100 deaths/year, 1 million crashes, and over 1 billion in property damage. Add another billion a year from farm, garden and timber damage. The Eastern Whitetails are the worst, only 'cus there's more people back East. >>> suntzu_2002@yahoo.com 11/19/02 10:20AM >>> All this reminds me of a story... I met a trucker in a bar in Bozeman, Mt. He was stranded there for a couple days so he could get his truck fixed because he hit a deer. He told me about a guy who was driving a semi up in Alaska, he saw a moose in the road a ways up, hit the brakes and stopped right in front of it. The moose didn't move an inch, until it attacked his rig, putting a large hole in the radiator, stranding the trucker. Guess that evened the score a little bit. Stirling . __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From bens Tue Nov 19 14:11:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAJJBkp15145 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:11:46 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:11:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200211191911.gAJJBje15141@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 1, Deer: 0 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org When I worked for Swift, there was a day when I was running a Wal Mart trailer from Red Bluff (where they have a distribution center), to Hermiston, Oregon (to another dist. center). I was sort of convoying with two other Swifties that day, one being an owner-operator contracted to Swift. They're allowed to go 5mph faster than the regular fleet trucks, so he was a bit ahead of the rest of us. While driving through the forests in Oregon, a lady travelling southbound hit a full-grown moose, spinning it across the hughway and into northbound traffic: the owner-operator happened to be passing this whole mess as it happened, and WHAM! - the moose spun right into the path of his truck! The bonnet assembly was destroyed - along with the entire tractor! (the cab was so tweaked, that the driver had to pop a windshield glass out just to climb out of it!) They used to tell us that, if we ever came across any animals not to honk the horn, because some types took this as a challenge - and they would charge at the trucks. Charles On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:20:02 -0500 Stirling Anderson writes: > > All this reminds me of a story... I met a trucker in a > bar in Bozeman, Mt. He was stranded there for a > couple days so he could get his truck fixed because he > hit a deer. He told me about a guy who was driving a > semi up in Alaska, he saw a moose in the road a ways > up, hit the brakes and stopped right in front of it. > The moose didn't move an inch, until it attacked his > rig, putting a large hole in the radiator, stranding [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From bens Tue Nov 19 14:20:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAJJKv415208 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:20:57 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:20:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200211191920.gAJJKuD15204@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: A Car is Reborn Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 24 lines filtered. ] "...you may end up buying a complete vehicle because it's cheaper!.." No, that I WON'T be doing. If I can't get a motor in it, what's left will have to go. -Dave From bens Tue Nov 19 14:44:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAJJi4v15306 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:44:04 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:44:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200211191944.gAJJi3915302@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: A Car is Reborn Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org And here's the website for the original British program: http://www.discoveryeurope2.com/car/html/index_flash.htm -Dave G. From bens Tue Nov 19 14:51:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAJJp9415385 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:51:09 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:51:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200211191951.gAJJp8Q15381@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: BW: 1, Deer: 0 - (Go, Ben, Go!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- James Howard wrote: > > > In northern VA where my Dad lives, there is a similar > problem. Except > there is a group that wants to ban hunting and instead > use birth control > to control the deer population. sounds like a real tough job for the sierra-clubber types who vollinteer to put on the condoms..... ....but maybe that's th ultimate sport? ;-) tracking down a ten-pointer buck and tackling him down by hand, than putting on a condom? the calf-ropers will have an unfair disadvantage though.....hmmmm __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From bens Tue Nov 19 15:47:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAJKlkQ15707 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:47:46 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:47:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200211192047.gAJKlkN15703@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: A Car is Reborn Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- "Gomes, David" wrote: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ Included Original Message ] > [ 24 lines filtered. ] > "...you may end up buying a complete vehicle because it's > cheaper!.." > > No, that I WON'T be doing. If I can't get a motor in it, > what's left will [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! ;-( Dave the 109 is part of your caracter now! There just has to be an answer. What happened to the M/B conversion? I musta missed something here.. I know where thete is a engine in so-cal! ;-0 but you don't want to go back to the 2.25 do you? If we can find a pugeot deisel/conversion for your 109's brother that Joe ended up with, you probably could get teh marine rover deisel that is in it.... ;-) Paul __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From bens Tue Nov 19 16:10:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAJLAal15932 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:10:36 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:10:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200211192110.gAJLAZ815928@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: A Car is Reborn Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "..If we can find a pugeot deisel/conversion for your 109's brother that Joe ended up with, you probably could get teh marine rover deisel that is in it.... ;-)..." Ah, tis a tangled web we weave. But I wouldn't rule anything out right now. I do think I need forced induction since the truck lives at 9,000 ft. NA diesels in general are pretty anemic here. And I sure as heck don't have the cash or time to do a 6.2 lump. My real preferred way would be the 200 Tdi, just so many things are "right" about that one. We'll see what happens. -Dave From bens Tue Nov 19 16:15:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAJLFhJ15962 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:15:43 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:15:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200211192115.gAJLFhO15958@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: A Car is Reborn Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 40 lines filtered. ] "...What happened to the M/B conversion?...." I decided "because it's there" is not sufficient reason to cram this motor into the car. Seems like a ton of work for something I don't think I'll be truly happy with in the end. This truck needs to be a diesel, and needs to be a Land Rover, for me anyway. I'd like to put it back that way if I reasonably can. If not, it will go back to the entropy form whence it came. I'd probably keep the Costa Rican CKD plate though, just for memory's sake. :^) But like you say, and Cheryl has said over and over, it's part of me, so the chances of me really selling or parting it are pretty slim. But I did forget to add one of it's attributes is a fresh set of 7.50-16 RTs and 8 good steel wheels. :^( -Dave From bens Tue Nov 19 16:25:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAJLPeI16060 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:25:40 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:25:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200211192125.gAJLPdL16056@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: A Car is Reborn Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The problem with the Rover tdi diesels are they are expensive and apparently not as long lived as some other diesel engines. Below is information on an IH diesel that has been highly touted as a tdi replacement. Believe it's also sold as a Ford Powerstroke in their smaller trucks. Don't know if those trucks are marketed in the States, however. It's big enough that it would probably work okay even as a N/A engine for the simplicity of it. It's torque output is too much the Series transmission, unless you are very careful, in the turbo version. Will bolt up to an R-380 if you decide you have to keep it Rover, though. Aloha Peter O. MOTOR & DIESEL ENGINEERING (ANGLIA) LTD., ROWAN FARM, PRIORY ROAD, RUSKINGTON, SLEAFORD, LINCS. NG34 9DJ TELEPHONE :- 01526 830 185 FAX :- 01526 830 217 E-MAIL :- enquiries@mdengineering.co.uk WEB SITE :- www.mdengineering.co.uk IMPROVED FEATURES OF THE INTERNATIONAL HS 2.8 L ENGINE COMPARED WITH THE LAND ROVER ‘300’ Tdi The HS 2.8L engine was developed from the 2.5 ‘300’ Tdi and has the same backend and engine mounting points on the cylinder block. The 2.8 will fit in to any application that already has the ‘300’ Tdi installed. The position of the air inlet to the inlet manifold and turbocharger and the turbo exhaust outlet are different. 1. The improved head gasket is now steel laminate. 2. The crankshaft is forged not cast. 3. The cylinder bock has been re-designed to improve cooling . 4. The combustion system has been re-developed by AVL. 5. The improved connecting rod has the cap secured by bolts with thread in rod. 6. A new piston has been developed. 7. The rear crankshaft seal clamping has been improved to improve leakage problem. 8. The rpm at maximum torque has been reduced, 1400 TGV &1600 WG (1800 Tdi) 9. The power and torque have been increased, see comparison below. LR ‘300’ Tdi Displacement :- 2,495 cc Maximum power :- 111 bhp @ 4,000 rpm Maximum governed rpm 4,000 Maximum torque :- 195 lbf ft @ 1,800 rpm International HS 2.8L TGV (Variable Geometry Turbo) Displacement :- 2,785 cc Maximum power :- 135 bhp @ 3,800 rpm Max governed rpm :- 4,000 Maximum torque :- 277 lbf ft @ 1,400 rpm International HS 2.8L WG (Wastegate) Displacement :- 2,785 cc Maximum power :- 132 bhp @ 3,800 rpm Max governed rpm :- 4,000 Maximum torque :- 262 lbf ft @ 1,600 rpm --- "Gomes, David" wrote: > > "..If we can find a pugeot deisel/conversion for > your 109's brother that Joe > ended up with, you probably could get teh marine > rover > deisel that is in it.... ;-)..." > > Ah, tis a tangled web we weave. But I wouldn't rule > anything out right now. [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From bens Tue Nov 19 16:46:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAJLkFL16193 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:46:15 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:46:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200211192146.gAJLkFD16189@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: A Car is Reborn Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Forget the talk about Nissan, Toyota, Ford, etc motors. >From day one of looking for this truck I never wanted a "project". At least not more so than I know general LR ownership to entail. Like I said, I think it's a Tdi or nothing, and not least of which because it's the easiest drop in replacement for the Series motor. The truck won't ever see enough miles for longevity to be a problem. I have my million-mile vehicle, and it ain't a Land Rover. (DUCK AND COVER!) But seriously, part of the trouble is that the G is everything to me that I envisioned a LWB Land Rover would be at one time, so there really is no good reason to keep the 109, other than my emotional attachment. My quandary continues. I think I need to call Terry Neal and see if Matt Turowski ever picked up the 2.5 TD that Terry was supposedly bringing in for him a year ago.... -Dave G. From bens Tue Nov 19 17:52:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAJMqtW16482 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:52:55 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:52:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200211192252.gAJMqtE16478@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Curtin, Gerald" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: 72 Marine Blue Series for sale--yes, the same one! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org After replacing the broken halfshaft and all related seals (while driving in San Fran), I'm back on the road again (now with less oil leaks!)...Amazingly [to me], I have had little interest in my Rover--to the point where no-one has even come to take a look/drive it (posted on E-bay, Autotrader). I was originally asking in the mid to upper 8000's for it, and was even advised that this was probably too low for an 88 in this condition with full soft top kit/OD/extra tanks/no rust, etc. From the feedback I've gotten, people are looking to fix up rovers in the 5K range...boy they don't know what they're getting into! Is it me, or is the market really that bad? I'm willing to go towards 8K for it (considering I purchased it for 7600 4 years ago and put 5K into it). Here are the pics again for reference: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/geraldcaca/lst?.dir=/Land+Rover+Series+III+For+Sa le&.view=t Does anyone have any advice here? This is driving me nuts! If I don't sell it, you'll probably be seeing it in Tahoe with ski's strapped to the rack...trying to get stuck in the snow, of course. -Gerald This email contains information that may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose this message to anybody or the information contained herein. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete this message. Thank you. From bens Tue Nov 19 18:13:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAJNDbh16597 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:13:37 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:13:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200211192313.gAJNDaf16593@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 72 Marine Blue Series for sale--yes, the same one! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- "Curtin, Gerald" wrote: Is it me, or is the market really that bad? I'm > willing to go towards 8K > for it (considering I purchased it for 7600 4 years > ago and put 5K into it). Tell me about it! I've had The African for sale for months and months now... I've only had ONE person actually come over and take it out for a drive. Another guy offered me two thousand for it, half my asking price. Maybe I need to put the asking price in the 20,000 range, and try to sell it to Kellog's clientel. I've only advertised for it on Craig's list, and LRX... I'm trying to sell it to a Rover person, hopefully from around here. Looks like I'll have to pay Paul to take it back from me at this rate... :) Stirling . __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From bens Tue Nov 19 18:15:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAJNFB316624 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:15:11 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:15:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200211192315.gAJNFBc16620@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 72 Marine Blue Series for sale--yes, the same one! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Did you put it on www.lrx.com? That is where I sold mine. Also, for a small fee, Rovers North will put it on a flyer they include with every package they ship. I am sure there is some rich New Englander who would like a rust-free Series Land Rover. You could also list it on cars.com. My Dad occasionally sees Series LRs in the 8-15K range in the Washington (Com)Post. Curtin, Gerald wrote: > After replacing the broken halfshaft and all related seals (while driving in > San Fran), I'm back on the road again (now with less oil leaks!)...Amazingly > [to me], I have had little interest in my Rover--to the point where no-one > has even come to take a look/drive it (posted on E-bay, Autotrader). I was > originally asking in the mid to upper 8000's for it, and was even advised > that this was probably too low for an 88 in this condition with full soft > top kit/OD/extra tanks/no rust, etc. From the feedback I've gotten, people > are looking to fix up rovers in the 5K range...boy they don't know what > they're getting into! [ 17 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Nov 19 18:25:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAJNPZ516717 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:25:35 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:25:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200211192325.gAJNPYZ16713@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 72 Marine Blue Series for sale--yes, the same one! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Stirling Anderson wrote: > > --- "Curtin, Gerald" wrote: > Is it me, or is the market really that bad? I'm > > willing to go towards 8K > > for it (considering I purchased it for 7600 4 years > > ago and put 5K into it). > > Tell me about it! I've had The African for sale for > months and months now... I've only had ONE person [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Ouch! you did tell him where to go...right? ;-) Maybe I need to put the asking price in > the 20,000 range, and try to sell it to Kellog's > clientel. I've only advertised for it on Craig's > list, and LRX... sounds like the trouble I am having selling the refrigerator, washer, 18'x20' car tent, misc motorcycle stuff ......and finding a new job....I think it's just a really bad economy here and people are just not buying ANYTHING! (ok! I did finally sell the washer..) I'm trying to sell it to a Rover > person, hopefully from around here. Looks like I'll > have to pay Paul to take it back from me at this > rate... ANY TIME! ;-) Paul (for sale to a good home....36y/o jack of all trades....) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From bens Tue Nov 19 18:53:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAJNrCk16850 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:53:12 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:53:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200211192353.gAJNrBe16846@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 72 Marine Blue Series for sale--yes, the same one! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Paul Archibald wrote: I think it's > just a > really bad economy here and people are just not > buying > ANYTHING! Yes, I think so... my dad just had to cash in his 401K to pay rent. He's been out of work for a while now. He's selling his truck too! A '99 Ford F350 dually on consignment in Morgan Hill if anyone's interested. Stirling __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From bens Tue Nov 19 21:03:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAK238t17551 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:03:08 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:03:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200211200203.gAK238h17547@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 72 Marine Blue Series for sale--yes, the same one! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Also this time of the year is not a time to sell cars. Home taxes, holiday shopping, and holiday. Try around march and you will sell it with a fair price. Mehdi From bens Tue Nov 19 21:19:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAK2JYm17616 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:19:34 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:19:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200211200219.gAK2JYN17612@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jon Turner" To: Subject: Re: 72 Marine Blue Series for sale--yes, the same one! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I agree with Paul, economy generally sucks right now, so a hard time to sell 'toys' - more sellers than buyers out there. You may have noticed that my email address changed - I'm about to join the ranks of the unemployed as well. Looking forward to a bit of a break, but also hoping that it won't be too long a break... Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Archibald" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 3:25 PM Subject: Re: 72 Marine Blue Series for sale--yes, the same one! > sounds like the trouble I am having selling the > refrigerator, washer, 18'x20' car tent, misc motorcycle > stuff ......and finding a new job....I think it's just a > really bad economy here and people are just not buying > ANYTHING! (ok! I did finally sell the washer..) From bens Tue Nov 19 21:30:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id gAK2UhZ17679 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:30:43 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:30:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200211200230.gAK2Uh817675@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 72 Marine Blue Series for sale--yes, the same one! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Jon Turner wrote: > > I agree with Paul, economy generally sucks right now, so > a hard time to sell > 'toys' - more sellers than buyers out there. > > You may have noticed that my email address changed - I'm > about to join the > ranks of the unemployed as well. ah! that explains the head rebuild yourself? ;-) Now you have embarrased me into finally doing the same for Joe E. this week, I hope. Looking forward to a > bit of a break, but > also hoping that it won't be too long a break... Well if it is, you will be surprised how long you can survive on nothing! ;-) I've been doing ok without continuous employment for.....well a looong time, just counted the months...fifteen! ;-0 the four months last fall don't count(still trying to erase them from memory!) The African was the last toy I will sell. It was hard enough to let go of The Bear-trap ('63 dormobile/carawagon) the audi quattro and The African all in a year. I am holding onto the rest hard! ;-) Paul (will work for food....) ;-) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Archibald" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 3:25 PM > Subject: Re: 72 Marine Blue Series for sale--yes, the > same one! > > > > sounds like the trouble I am having selling the [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _______________