From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 1 01:37:46 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e415bkc07654 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 01:37:46 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000430213748.006b3b64@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 21:37:48 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Mendo VI is past... In-Reply-To: <20000430.181946.-173095.4.cirvin1258@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Another great Mendo notaRallye is past us but surely won't be forgotten. A quiet one, probably due to absence of the Three Bad Men. That is until the drone and skirl of Zack's bagpipes at 7:00 this morning! With three Range Rovers and three Discos, we *did* find and conquer the elusive "other" M5 route to Bartlett Springs Road today! More later, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 1 01:52:56 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e415quO07676 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 01:52:56 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20000430215357.00b755a0@mail.halcyon.com> X-Sender: clarkebw@mail.halcyon.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 21:56:15 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Clarke Williams Subject: Re: Michelin XCL In-Reply-To: <3907141A.A3EA096E@frontier.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 10:06 AM 26-04-00 -0600, you wrote: >Anyone have an idea whether the Michelin XCL 7.50-16 discontinued tires >could still be available? I'm interested in a set of four or five. >Either brand new or used (say with 75% tread or something). Any tips or >help will be appreciated! > >Tom >88 RR > The 7.50R16 XCL are not discontinued. They are still in production and probably will continue to be so for quite a few years to meet military contacts around the world. They are a standard NATO tire as well as several military organizations. Try Safari Gard. I received a new catalog from them recently and they showed the XCL 7.50R16 for $175. Clarke Williams From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 1 01:54:26 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e415sQj07687 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 01:54:26 -0400 Message-ID: <006f01bfb32a$2e660720$7500000a@kkelly6788> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Mendo Photos Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 21:58:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I posted a few Mendo photos to: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=218912&a=5566097 I forgot how slow a 56K modem is so I'll post the rest from work tomorrow. Kevin Kelly From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 1 13:07:10 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e41H7Ac08930 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:07:10 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01bfb388$194a7f20$7500000a@kkelly6788> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Mendo Photos Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 08:59:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have posted a bunch of Mendo photos at: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=180413&a=5673339 Kevin Kelly From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 1 15:11:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e41JBPa09047 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:11:25 -0400 X-Sender: studios@cwnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Michael Carradine Subject: RR "Umfall" in Moab Cc: rro@playground.sun.com, lro@playground.sun.com Message-Id: <20000501181450.NFHX25138.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 11:14:50 -0700 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Here are photo's from last week at Pritchet canyon and Golden Spike near Moab. Check out http://photos.yahoo.com/wasper67b First section "Rob Pickering", last photo, #10 (ouch!!) -Michael www.unimog.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 1 17:03:18 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e41L3I209195 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 17:03:18 -0400 Date: 1 May 2000 13:06:43 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org X-Sender: web79245@dreamlab.cc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: RR "Umfall" in Moab Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Here are photo's from last week at Pritchet canyon and Golden > Spike near Moab. Check out http://photos.yahoo.com/wasper67b > First section "Rob Pickering", last photo, #10 (ouch!!) > >-Michael > > www.unimog.com I waved at those kids on main street on Thursday afternoon when I was leaving. I wondered if they had just bought it, or were getting ready to sell it. Bad news either way you look at it. Ouch is right. Actually I'm dang lucky I didn't end up in the same predicament. Luckily I had great spotting, great portable ballast, and had a few trails under my belt by then. Sometmes we forget just how far we push things I think. later, Michael Slade Portland, Oregon www.DreamLab.cc From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 1 20:28:24 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e420SOW09416 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 20:28:24 -0400 From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: FW: GPS accuracy - Selective Availability to be turned off, May 2nd, 2000 Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 16:31:50 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01bfb3c5$6d96ecc0$9672a8c0@gbp.dot.co.mendocino.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just as I was about to shut my work computer down for the day, I got this exciting news from a local GIS users group list I'm on: > But I'm writing today to share some interesting GPS accuracy news - it > appears that the Federal Government will be turning off Selective > Availability (SA), which is the error that the government purposefully puts > into the GPS signal to reduce its usefulness to military opponents (at > least that used to be the reason). As the press release available at > http://www.whitehouse.gov/library/PressReleases.cgi?date=0&briefing=0 > states, this will improve the real-time, in-the-field accuracy of GPS by a > great deal (I'm not sure how long that link is good for). > > Here's part of President Clinton's press release: > " STATEMENT BY THE PRESIDENT REGARDING > THE UNITED STATES DECISION TO STOP DEGRADING > GLOBAL POSITIONING SYSTEM ACCURACY > Today, I am pleased to announce that the United States will stop the > intentional degradation of the Global Positioning System (GPS) signals > available to the public beginning at midnight tonight. We call this > degradation feature Selective Availability (SA). This will mean that > civilian users of GPS will be able to pinpoint locations up > to ten times > more accurately than they do now." [continued on web page] Cheers! Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 1 20:34:09 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e420Y9W09435 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 20:34:09 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.2.1 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 16:36:10 -0700 From: "David Quinn" To: Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #131 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by guinness.ovlr.org id e420Y9w09433 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I will be out of the office Monday and Tuesday May 1st & 2nd and return May 3rd. I will respond to your message at that time. Thanks. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 2 04:33:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e428XRh10502 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 04:33:27 -0400 From: SFmms@aol.com Message-ID: <92.4457c62.263fdf8c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 03:36:44 EDT Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce photos To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kevin Kelly writes: << I have posted a bunch of Mendo photos at: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=180413&a=5673339 >> Nice photos, looks like you all had a great trip, maybe we'll make it next time. Karen Sindir '74 SIII 88 Red Rufy '66 SIIa Barbaros - in progress '95 Disco EFE - at the dealer again From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 2 09:04:23 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e42D4NE10752 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 09:04:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200005021207.FAA05521@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 05:04:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: bolt sources X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Someone posted a good source for bolts & hardware some time ago, now it escapes me... if anyone can recall it, lemme know! Thanks TomW *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1652 bumble bee.. LandRovers tomw@best.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 2 09:53:34 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e42DrY710817 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 09:53:34 -0400 To: lro@playground.sun.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 05:50:06 -0700 Subject: More Mendo... Message-ID: <20000502.055008.-173095.7.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-10 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I got all hot over Gillian spewing her blood out, that I forgot to mention that I did otherwise have a great time talking to the folks at Mendo, even though I didn't get a chance to go on any runs - again. 'Twas nice seeing everybody. Charles "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 2 10:15:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e42EFTm10884 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:15:29 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 08:18:49 -0500 From: esimpson@acesag.auburn.edu (Eugene H. Simpson III) Message-Id: <200005021318.IAA09867@comer70.acesag.auburn.edu> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: bolt sources X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Tom, In addition to the "normal" Rover parts houses (BP, AB, RN, BB, BNW, etc.), I've found a lot of new Series hardware, including bolts & nuts, at DAP Enterprises, Inc. in Vermont. Their contacts are: 802.885.6660 802.885.6662 Fax Also for used Series parts, try: Mike Bonaducci Bit 'O Britain 1693 Goose Green Road Branford, VT 05033 802.439.5815 Excellent experiences with both. Good luck. Gene Auburn, AL '64 SIIA 88 "Fetch" '97 Disco SE-7 '95 Dodge Pickup From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 2 10:38:31 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e42EcVX10913 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:38:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200005021341.GAA04192@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 06:39:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: bolt sources X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks, I'm looking for HD grade8+ bolts ( mil spec?) for high stress non-LR trailering/hitching/load bearing applications.. I think Kelly Minnick posted a site just for bolts once?? TomW > Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 08:18:49 -0500 > From: esimpson@acesag.auburn.edu (Eugene H. Simpson III) > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: Re: bolt sources > Reply-to: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Tom, > > In addition to the "normal" Rover parts houses (BP, AB, RN, BB, BNW, > etc.), I've found a lot of new Series hardware, including bolts & nuts, > at DAP Enterprises, Inc. in Vermont. Their contacts are: > > 802.885.6660 > 802.885.6662 Fax > > Also for used Series parts, try: > > Mike Bonaducci > Bit 'O Britain > 1693 Goose Green Road > Branford, VT 05033 > 802.439.5815 > > Excellent experiences with both. Good luck. > > Gene > Auburn, AL > '64 SIIA 88 "Fetch" > '97 Disco SE-7 > '95 Dodge Pickup > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1652 bumble bee.. LandRovers tomw@best.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 2 10:46:31 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e42EkVT10937 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:46:31 -0400 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200005021341.GAA04192@proxy4.ba.best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 06:45:02 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Russ Wilson Subject: Re: bolt sources Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Thanks, >I'm looking for HD grade8+ bolts ( mil spec?) for high stress non-LR >trailering/hitching/load bearing applications.. Did you check at the Ford dealer? Russ and Leslie Wilson "Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains." -Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 2 10:58:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e42EwPB10954 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:58:25 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000502070003.007aa7c0@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 07:00:03 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: bolt sources In-Reply-To: <200005021341.GAA04192@proxy4.ba.best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Tom, For grade 5 or 8 bolts I just go to Ace or True value. But when the bolts are bigger than they have in stock, I would go to the industrial ACE hardware in San Carlos on Industrial way in San Carlos. Up the street from San Carlos paint store. There's bound to be one down your way. There is even a smaller version of industrial hardware way out here in the northwoods of California in Chico. There is also a nuts and bolts supplier in Chico that will sell over the counter, found them in yellow pages. Bob B At 06:39 AM 5/2/2000 -0800, you wrote: >Thanks, >I'm looking for HD grade8+ bolts ( mil spec?) for high stress non-LR >trailering/hitching/load bearing applications.. >I think Kelly Minnick posted a site just for bolts once?? > >TomW > >> Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 08:18:49 -0500 >> From: esimpson@acesag.auburn.edu (Eugene H. Simpson III) >> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >> Subject: Re: bolt sources >> Reply-to: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >> Tom, >> >> In addition to the "normal" Rover parts houses (BP, AB, RN, BB, BNW, >> etc.), I've found a lot of new Series hardware, including bolts & nuts, >> at DAP Enterprises, Inc. in Vermont. Their contacts are: >> >> 802.885.6660 >> 802.885.6662 Fax >> >> Also for used Series parts, try: >> >> Mike Bonaducci >> Bit 'O Britain >> 1693 Goose Green Road >> Branford, VT 05033 >> 802.439.5815 >> >> Excellent experiences with both. Good luck. >> >> Gene >> Auburn, AL >> '64 SIIA 88 "Fetch" >> '97 Disco SE-7 >> '95 Dodge Pickup >> >> > *---------*---------* >"Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1652 bumble bee.. LandRovers >tomw@best.com > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 2 12:41:17 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e42GfHB11223 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:41:17 -0400 Message-ID: <390EF8A9.F2DB4C21@wenet.net> Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 08:47:53 -0700 From: "Bruce R. Bonar" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: bolt sources References: <200005021207.FAA05521@proxy4.ba.best.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Industrial Hardware, San Carlos Orchard Supply, everywhere you look. Surprisingly good selection of fractional and metric in gr. 5 & 8. Lord & Son. San Jose and SSF. They have or can get anything but may not sell retail. These are the best local, SF Bay area, source for anything out of the ordinary. Bruce Tom Walsh wrote: > Someone posted a good source for bolts & hardware some time ago, now > it escapes me... From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 2 12:51:24 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e42GpO911257 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:51:24 -0400 Message-ID: <390EF90D.A07B72F2@frontier.net> Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 09:49:34 -0600 From: Thomas Joyner Organization: FITA de Mexico X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mendo List Subject: off topic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, I'm looking for 75 to 100 feet of 4 guage 3 wire service cord (giant extension cord for my welder) SO type or better. Does anyone know of an on-line or off-line supplier that may have such an animal? Tom 88 RR Ready to weld! From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 2 12:56:32 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e42GuW511270 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:56:32 -0400 Date: 2 May 2000 08:59:52 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org X-Sender: web79245@dreamlab.cc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: off topic Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Tom ends with... >Tom >88 RR >Ready to weld! Dang Tom, you have to give me more informatoin than that! Sounds like a project is in the works. (hehe) Sorry I don't have a supplier, but I'm darn interested in what you may or may not be doing to your rangie! (I sleeved all my tie-rods last night and replaced the ends. You may want to see how they turned out) Good luck! Michael Slade Portland, Oregon www.DreamLab.cc From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 2 13:01:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e42H1RV11285 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:01:27 -0400 Message-id: <1000502090306.220c000.3f8c6a02.ASIP6.2b6.48678@smtp.pvr.com> Subject: Re: off topic Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 09:04:25 -0700 x-sender: frey@smtp.pvr.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Bob Frey To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org on 5/2/00 8:49 AM Thomas Joyner wrote: > >I'm looking for 75 to 100 feet of 4 guage 3 wire service cord (giant >extension cord for my welder) SO type or better. Does anyone know of an >on-line or off-line supplier that may have such an animal? > >Tom Try Brill's on 10th Street in Oakland... Bob Frey From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 2 13:04:15 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e42H4FE11299 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:04:15 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 09:07:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Alexander George Cooper Message-Id: <200005021607.JAA28698@myth10.Stanford.EDU> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: bolt sources Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Another option is Olander at 144 Commercial in Sunnyvale. Their number is 408-735-1850. They are an industrial fastener supply place and seem to have everything, even titanium. They will sell over the counter but they won't usually let you look around so you need to know what you want or bring a sample. There is a similar place in north Berkeley, about a block west of San Pablo Avenue but I can't remember the name right now. Alexander From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 2 13:05:23 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e42H5NQ11310 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:05:23 -0400 From: Gbrovers@aol.com Message-ID: <9f.4c92f12.26405787@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 12:08:39 EDT Subject: Re: Historical question To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org James I have heard that the Rover diff was in fact designed in the 30's. This is second hand info so don't take it to the bank but from what I know about diffs and English manufacturing, it wouldn't surprise me. Bill Great Basin Rovers From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 2 14:12:40 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e42ICe711366 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 14:12:40 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200005021607.JAA28698@myth10.Stanford.EDU> References: <200005021607.JAA28698@myth10.Stanford.EDU> Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 10:14:28 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: jory bell Subject: Re: bolt sources Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org bowlin >Another option is Olander at 144 Commercial in Sunnyvale. Their number is >408-735-1850. They are an industrial fastener supply place and seem to have >everything, even titanium. They will sell over the counter but they won't >usually let you look around so you need to know what you want or bring a >sample. > >There is a similar place in north Berkeley, about a block west of San Pablo >Avenue but I can't remember the name right now. > >Alexander From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 2 15:27:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e42JRRT11470 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 15:27:27 -0400 Message-ID: <006301bfb454$89a66820$cb4b0740@baggarly.com> From: "Nick C. Baggarly" To: References: <3.0.1.32.20000428095954.006af650@pacific.net> Subject: More Mendo Photos Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 11:36:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mendo 2000 was, as always, a fantastic event. Among the trails we explored on Saturday we discovered trail 32; an overgrown motorcycle trail--ante up one CB antenna to ride and prepare for a lot of pin stripes. This year I noticed the trails have signs similar to ski runs, complete with identification number, difficulty icon, and vehicle "recommendations." Very cool. On Sunday a group of us packed up in a convoy and turned left out of camp. With Earle Lowe's '60 SII in the lead we drove southeast to the big earth mover then u-turned left and drove northwest along the ridge trail to 17N16. There was a water crossing before we hit M10, another water crossing after, and a dust-fest all the way to Elk Mtn Road, down to Clear Lake. That was a fun set of trails. Thanks Blair for recommending 17N16. I think we'll do the reverse on our way in next year. Pictures and .mpg movies are at http://www.aroundtheworld1999.com/othersites/mendo2000/ As always I regret not taking more pictures Nick From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 2 15:28:43 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e42JShi11482 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 15:28:43 -0400 Message-ID: <007301bfb454$b76279c0$cb4b0740@baggarly.com> From: "Nick C. Baggarly" To: References: <200005021341.GAA04192@proxy4.ba.best.com> Subject: Re: bolt sources Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 11:37:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Orchard Supply has a large selection. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Walsh To: Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 9:39 AM Subject: Re: bolt sources > Thanks, > I'm looking for HD grade8+ bolts ( mil spec?) for high stress non-LR > trailering/hitching/load bearing applications.. > I think Kelly Minnick posted a site just for bolts once?? > > TomW > > > Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 08:18:49 -0500 > > From: esimpson@acesag.auburn.edu (Eugene H. Simpson III) > > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > Subject: Re: bolt sources > > Reply-to: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > > Tom, > > > > In addition to the "normal" Rover parts houses (BP, AB, RN, BB, BNW, > > etc.), I've found a lot of new Series hardware, including bolts & nuts, > > at DAP Enterprises, Inc. in Vermont. Their contacts are: > > > > 802.885.6660 > > 802.885.6662 Fax > > > > Also for used Series parts, try: > > > > Mike Bonaducci > > Bit 'O Britain > > 1693 Goose Green Road > > Branford, VT 05033 > > 802.439.5815 > > > > Excellent experiences with both. Good luck. > > > > Gene > > Auburn, AL > > '64 SIIA 88 "Fetch" > > '97 Disco SE-7 > > '95 Dodge Pickup > > > > > *---------*---------* > "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1652 bumble bee.. LandRovers > tomw@best.com > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 2 15:54:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e42Js4r11524 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 15:54:04 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20000502115524.037e5c00@mail.halcyon.com> X-Sender: clarkebw@mail.halcyon.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 11:57:23 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Clarke Williams Subject: Re: Tops In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 11:06 AM 26-04-00 -0700, you wrote: > >I need to replace the seals between the body and hardtop on my 88, so >figured I might as well drive around topless while we are having this >wonderful weather. Then, I got to thinking about it, and there is a >seatbelt problem. My inertia reel seat belts use the hardtop as one of >the anchor points. The reels are mounted to the inside of the rail that >goes along the side of the tub, and are angled forward to go up to an >anchor on the hardtop. I can think of several things to do about this, >from putting in a roll bar to changing seat belts, but I can't think of >anything easy. Any thoughts? > >James > James, When I fitted retractable seat belts to my 88 I did not use the stock brackets mounted to the side panels. I fitted the retractors to the back of the seatbox bulkhead and they come almost directly over your shoulder. More comfortable, especially for women. Also, I can remove top without loosing seat belts. Cheers, Clarke Williams From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 2 16:21:56 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e42KLul11615 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 16:21:56 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Michaels, Tim" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: bolt sources Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 12:25:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >There is a similar place in north Berkeley, about a block west of San Pablo >Avenue but I can't remember the name right now. >Alexander Bowlin Equipment 1107 10th St Berkeley, CA 94710 (510) 527-8282 It's right behind the Albany McDonald's. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 2 18:10:26 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e42MAQD11784 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:10:26 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:56:20 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: Mendo list Subject: GPS and USNO (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 16:02:14 -0400 From: matsakis.demetrios@usno.navy.mil To: USNO-DC-AZ-CO@usno.navy.mil Subject: GPS and USNO We have received many queries concerning the effect of last night's removal of Selective Availability (SA) from GPS. The short answer is that it will make things work better for civilians, but have little effect on military applications that already bypass SA. SA had been manifested through the application of a random error to the time signal broadcast by each GPS satellite. The removal of SA will improve the unclassified positioning and time precision of GPS by an order of magnitude, and provide civilians with improved access to our Master Clock. The improved positioning stemming from the improved timing will be important to commercial navigation and the Departments of Transportation and Commerce. The improved direct-time access will help some civilian applications for time such as cell phones, electric power transmission, and the internal error budget of our unclassified Network Time Protocol (NTP) program. An important Time Service program, to create a Distributed Master Clock using GPS carrier-phase data, may benefit since GPS time will be more useful as a "flywheel", or reference. For DoD applications, military GPS receivers are required and dual- frequency receivers will remain preferable to civilian receivers because they are less sensitive to interference, because they can more precisely correct for the effects of ionospheric delay, which can differ by up to a few 10's of ns from the models, and because there is always the possibility that SA or other measures may be applied in specific geographical areas. Time Service operations were not affected by the elimination of SA. Lara Schmidt and Steven Hutsell stayed past midnight to check that our GPS receivers continued to operate normally. The official announcement of the Interagency GPS Executive Board can be found on http://www.igeb.gov. Demetrios Matsakis From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 3 00:52:19 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e434qJ612773 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 May 2000 00:52:19 -0400 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <390EF90D.A07B72F2@frontier.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 20:50:44 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Russ Wilson Subject: Re: off topic Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >All, > >I'm looking for 75 to 100 feet of 4 guage 3 wire service cord (giant >extension cord for my welder) SO type or better. Does anyone know of an >on-line or off-line supplier that may have such an animal? > >Tom >88 RR >Ready to weld! Try your local or not-so-local hardware or farm supply store or maybe an electrical supply house?? Russ and Leslie Wilson "Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains." -Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 3 01:15:09 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e435F9q12805 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 May 2000 01:15:09 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.2.1 Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 21:16:53 -0700 From: "David Quinn" To: Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #132 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by guinness.ovlr.org id e435F8w12803 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I will be out of the office Monday and Tuesday May 1st & 2nd and return May 3rd. I will respond to your message at that time. Thanks. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 3 02:20:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e436KPR12867 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 May 2000 02:20:25 -0400 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: "Mendo" Subject: Subscribe Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 22:28:22 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01bfb4c0$662b56a0$5205193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ben, could you re-subscribe me? Thanks, Kelly Minnick From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 3 02:27:10 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e436RAc12879 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 May 2000 02:27:10 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 22:30:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Alexander George Cooper Message-Id: <200005030530.WAA14626@epic8.Stanford.EDU> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Yet more Mendo pictures Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have posted some more Mendo pictures at: 63.195.181.180/Alex/lr/index.html Granny: I'm pretty sure I gave Nathan the wrong URL so if you have his email could you forward the above URL to him? Alexander From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 3 02:27:30 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e436RUx12890 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 May 2000 02:27:30 -0400 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: "Mendo" Subject: Sale items? Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 22:35:27 -0700 Message-ID: <000d01bfb4c1$63232a40$5205193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Before I go to e-bay, does anyone need any of the following: HP 7475A 81/2 X 11 6-pen plotter - excellent shape Technics SL-220 turntable (yeah right) HondaLine fairing for V-45 Sabre... LR 2.25L pistons & wrist pins. Used, but still have the original machine marks. Also the valves, springs, timing chain & sprockets and whatever else assorted parts are in there from when I rebuilt the SIII (42K miles on it). The latter can be had for shipping cost plus something for my run-around time. Hope everyone had a great time at Mendo. I got a great suntan building a school. Later, Kelly Minnick From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 3 10:29:28 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e43ETSY13424 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 May 2000 10:29:28 -0400 From: "Alan & Catherine Logue" To: "Au-Lro@Playground. Sun. Com" , "ZA Land Rover List" , "Mendo List" Subject: SA on GPS 3+ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 11:02:02 +0930 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I saw mention on the list in the last day or two about the fact that now that SA has been discontinued (Thanks Mr Clinton!), it would be interesting to see how accurate the base map was. Well I've turned off my basemap function on my 3+ and I'm using the Mapsource Worldmap CD to load up the maps that just cover my state. When the SA was on, the accuracy was just fair. With the SA off, I seem to have great accuracy for the north-south travel, but I am permanently 800m out to the west. Does anyone know how to correct this? Can the map be "offset" or moved to allow for this. Or are there any other fixes? One thing I have realised is that the map data is rather old, as many of the normal main roads that I drive on are ok until I get to the bit rebuilt 3 or 4 years ago. My drive to work regularly takes me through 60 meters of water in a resevoir! Any comments greatly appreciated. Alan Alan & Catherine Logue Hub Photos/Hutt Photos/TLC Minilab Training Centre Adelaide South Australia Ph +61-8-82324411 Fax +61-8-82272496 From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 3 11:25:17 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e43FPHl13527 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 May 2000 11:25:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200005031440.HAA18441@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Mendo Date: Wed, 3 May 00 07:28:35 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Gosh no one has come up with a Mendo not a trip report. I did not make an all car count or pay enough attention to make a real report but I can give some of my impressions: I arrived late Friday afternoon to a campground full of series rigs, some Defenders two 101s and a pair of token Discoverys. By 8AM Sat morning there were eight 109s (three of which were Dormobile conversions), one D110, too many 88s to count, several D90s, four 101s, three Discoverys and no Range Rovers. It was the first time I noticed that 101s outnumbered Discoverys and Range Rovers combined on a major Mendo gathering. Shortly afterwards a number of Range Rovers and a few more Discoverys showed up to skew the numbers, but the leafers still outnumbered the coilers. An interesting new to Mendo vehicle was the 1975 101 Vampire. This is one of 8 Vampires built. It is basically a radio body 101 set up for radio (& maybe radar) triangulation. Since you can now import 1975 vehicles and '75 & '76 were major 101 production years I wonder how many 101s we will be seeing over the next year or so. I think most all the ambulances are '76 and eligible for importing next year. Who knows, come the 2002 New years Majave desert run there might be a long convoy of 101s stretched across the desert. Ben, taking the long way to his new home, showed up with his 101 & trailer loaded with household stuff. Nick & friends were there with the two 'round the world Dormobiles. The Dow clan brought their whole LR stable out for display. When I go back from the Saturday trail run I noticed Charles had appeared too make one of his trademark brief cameo appearances. Tom brought a huge new camper on his pickup. This one has a slide out and looks about twice as big as his old camper. It has a way of making my Land Rover camper look very small and primitive. He definitely knows how to travel in total comfort. Late Sat afternoon after most of the Rovers returned from the trail a group of Jeepers showed up expecting to find an empty camp ground. They took a quick look and decided to try elsewhere. The Sat evening potluck was, as always, a gastronomic delight with lots of good campfire talk afterwards. Sunday morning Ben said his goodbyes and continued his way to Texas and his new home. I think most people formed into groups and headed out via a bunch of trails. I was in a group with the 'round the world Dormies, the Vampire, a pair of 88s and a D90. We headed out to 101 via a mountain peak and a little snow. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 3 11:44:48 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e43Fim413565 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 May 2000 11:44:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200005031500.IAA19302@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: SA on GPS 3+ Date: Wed, 3 May 00 07:47:55 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" , "Au-Lro@Playground. Sun. Com" , "ZA Land Rover List" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >One thing I have realised is that the map data is rather old, as many of the >normal main roads that I drive on are ok until I get to the bit rebuilt 3 or >4 years ago. My drive to work regularly takes me through 60 meters of water >in a resevoir! ;>Any comments greatly appreciated. ; May I suggest that you virtually turn your Land Rover into a Land Rover APGP with floats deployed so you can float over the virtual lake? Who knows, you may catch some virtual fish while you are virtually floating on the lake on your way to work. Not everybody gets to take a nice lake cruise on the way to work. Who says reality can not be virtual. I always thought reality is what you make of it. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.shadow-catcher.net <- Photography for sale http://www.overlander.net <- Web directory for Land Rover http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman <- My personal web site "In the world of type A & type B drivers consider me a type C gypsy traveler. Destinations are optional and not necessarily desirable." From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 3 12:04:44 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e43G4iA13620 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 May 2000 12:04:44 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01bfb511$cb9b7e60$7500000a@kkelly6788> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Nuts and Bolte Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 08:10:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Tom wrote: >I'm looking for HD grade8+ bolts ( mil spec?) >for high stress non-LR trailering/hitching/load >bearing applications. I like Ace Industrial Hardware at 1668 Industrial Road in San Carlos. I know they sell some stuff over the phone. 650-593-1474 or 800-678-6801. Kevin Kelly From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 3 12:37:59 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e43Gbxb13655 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 May 2000 12:37:59 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CDB22@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: dead generator Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 09:45:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....cleaned the contact area with sand paper....." Glad you're up and running again, Mehdi, but for future reference, and that of others, the practice of cleaning commutators and slip rings with emery paper is generally to be avoided. Particles from the emery paper become embedded in the soft copper of the commutator and will wear the new brushes unevenly, and very quickly. If the commutator needs attention, the thing to do is have it turned on centers in a lathe and a light skim cut taken with a cutting tool. A machine shop can do this for you for a couple bucks. A fine exacto saw (like for balsa) can then be used to re-cut the gaps between the segments to the proper depth. But, as long as you used a very fine paper, and cleaned everything up well afterwards, you probably stand a good chance of not having any problems. Best of Luck, -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 3 14:35:41 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e43IZfB13805 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 May 2000 14:35:41 -0400 Message-ID: <39106299.28FC48CF@frontier.net> Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 11:32:09 -0600 From: Thomas Joyner Organization: FITA de Mexico X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mendo List Subject: RE:off topic welder ext. cord Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well I found a place on the Internet, Summit Electric Supply, that has a location an hour away in Farmington, NM. That 4 guage 3 wire is expensive stuff at $2.65 a foot! No one local carries it I think, as 4 guage SO type jacketed service cord is a somewhat specialized (or rare) bit o stuff. 10 guage the local hardware has but not 4 guage.... Thanks for the suggestions. Now to build those sliders out of 3x3x1/4"wall freebie metal! Tom 88 RR Still ready to weld! From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 3 15:41:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e43JfTf13914 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 May 2000 15:41:29 -0400 Message-ID: <391074C4.FFA697C7@slip.net> Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 11:49:40 -0700 From: Mehdi and Christine X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: dead generator References: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CDB22@RCEXS2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > But, as long as you used a very fine paper, and cleaned everything up well > afterwards, you probably stand a good chance of not having any problems. > > Best of Luck, > -Dave G. Thanks Dave Since I was not sure if that was the problem, I used a fine sand paper. Steel wool does a good job cleaning also. Mehdi From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 3 15:41:52 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e43JfqC13925 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 May 2000 15:41:52 -0400 From: "Paul Archibald" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 18:45:00 GMT Subject: Re: Mendo.....and Paris...yup they've got Rovers ;-) X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <391073ac.7f31.0@jps.net> X-User-Info: 216.49.48.59 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TW wrote: >Gosh no one has come up with a Mendo not a trip report. ..... >By 8AM Sat morning there were eight 109s (three of which were Dormobile >conversions), one D110, too many 88s to count, several D90s, four 101s..... > 101s outnumbered Discoverys and Range Rovers combined on a major >Mendo gathering. Now that's cool! >production years I wonder how many 101s we will be seeing over the next >year or so. I think most all the ambulances are '76 and eligible for >importing next year. Who knows, come the 2002 New years Majave desert >run there might be a long convoy of 101s stretched across the desert. Yup! I aggree, hopefully I can be one of them, but probably not for anoter year or so. ;-( Now for the report from Paris. In my first coupla hours, I saw three two-door rangies all diesel and well used. A little later I saw a beautifull 110 tdi and maybe a dozen or so misc coilers. No series the whole time there, but many cool little carts there. I have changed my mind on the freelander. aftert seeing a couple dozen on and off, I like the design. it would be a good replacement for the audi some day(maybe) I don't have a correct total, but would say about: one 110 tdi four 90 tdi' ten two door rangies(all but one diesel) maybe another ten four door rangies three "new" rangies NOT DIESEL I guess if you can afford the beast.... surprizingly only six or so discos and to finish off at least a dozen freelanders. oh yeah, about three sd-1's and a few other modern rovers...lots of minis(probably saw at least thirty or forty!) I had a blast, but wished I had met some new friends with a 110 or ? the friends we made had a austin mini and that is just not an imposing car in crazy paris traffic with five people squeezed in. Funny thing was the driver was a doctor, but she is not materialistic so although she likes the rangies she wouldn't get one. Interesting how people outside of america prioritize their lives. very few people we met even owned cars or cared for fancy toys such as ours...It's a different world out there! I can't wait to go on the next trip...TeriAnn has me thinking...pick up a '75 101 ambulance have it kitted out and take it down to africa? The girl I met was french-morrocan and her friends fiance was from Camaroon/living in the Ivory Coast. There could be quite an adventure seeing some of the north-west of africa in the next year or two... :-) ...Now to get that frame horn finished welded in and get the front parabolics onto Elgie.......Tom, hows the free time looking! ;-) Paul From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 3 16:40:24 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e43KeOJ14028 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 May 2000 16:40:24 -0400 Message-ID: <39108153.6CF74CA2@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 12:43:15 -0700 From: "Franklin H. Yap" X-Sender: "Franklin H. Yap" <@mail.earthlink.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-FLASHNET (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo.....and Paris...yup they've got Rovers ;-) References: <391073ac.7f31.0@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Paul Archibald wrote: > > ... > Now for the report from Paris. In my first coupla hours, I saw three two-door > rangies all diesel and well used. Did you buy any of the French LR magazines? Frank From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 3 18:35:55 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e43MZtX14167 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 May 2000 18:35:55 -0400 Date: 3 May 2000 14:39:13 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org X-Sender: web79245@dreamlab.cc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE:off topic welder ext. cord Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Tom gets me salivating by writing... > >Now to build those sliders out of 3x3x1/4"wall freebie metal! > >Tom >88 RR >Still ready to weld! hey, I want to hear/see how they turn out. Sliders are something I've wanted to build for a long time now, but I can't decide how to mount them to the body and/or frame. Now go get welding!!! Michael Slade Portland, Oregon www.DreamLab.cc From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu May 4 00:04:48 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4444mZ14749 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 May 2000 00:04:48 -0400 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 19:58:30 -0700 Subject: CHEAP Rangie parts!!! Message-ID: <20000503.195832.-173095.15.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4,7-10,12-15,19-20,23-24,27-36 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks: This is a rarity for me, but I have some stuff that I want to unload...they're from a circa '91 Range Rover. One set Rangie Classic "County" SWB doors - COMPLETE (handles, door panels, mirrors, glass, wiring). Right front has a fixable ding, the others are perfect. Price - $150 PER DOOR! One Rangie roof panel - with sunroof (no headliner or motor). Very good shape. Price - $250.00! I have a couple of right-hand wings - front & rear, and they have a few small dings (my tropical top landed on them during a wind storm: the top suffered the most with a tear in the heat shield)...I was thinking $50.00 each. You can come over and look at them, but the only real catch is that at these prices, I ain't shipping anything. If any takers are in the L.A. area, I'll deliver. Anybody interested, I'm home evenings through this Saturday - not sure where I'll be on Sunday yet...possibly out of town. Next week I'll be here, as well as on the weekend (tentatively). If interested, email me off the list. Charles "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu May 4 14:23:43 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e44INhu17273 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 May 2000 14:23:43 -0400 From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Mendo VI Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 10:28:42 -0700 Message-ID: <004a01bfb5ee$3232d7e0$ae051fd1@BlairPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...was probably the best yet for me. Great fun with all of you. We departed back towards Letts and the trails linking to Mill Valley, down Potato Hill on 17N34 all the way to Fouts Springs. Some of PH is QUITE steep, and a contortion test the whole way down. Pershing did its job well but now gets a long rest-- the water pump shaft seal started leaking and drained most all of the coolant right after I pulled in the driveway last Sunday! 34 years and 90,000 mi isn't asking too much I guess? Any pointers? I have a NOS complete water pump, plus an additional shaft, bearing and impeller (all unopened 1966 packaging) from the PO. Interested to hear more about the mystery of the M5-Hough Springs route being solved, too. Cheers. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu May 4 15:00:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e44J04q17429 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 May 2000 15:00:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200005041900.e44J03w17426@guinness.ovlr.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Austin, TX Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 15:00:03 -0400 From: Benjamin Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All arrived safely in Austin last night. All told since I left Pasadena on Friday it was 4700 km (3000 miles). After driving the 101 so far, I have to say that the 101 makes the series ride seem like a plush mobile. Never has my postierior been so sore from a trip. Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu May 4 15:04:42 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e44J4gD17499 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 May 2000 15:04:42 -0400 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: <9a.45c6c8e.26431673@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 14:07:47 EDT Subject: Re: Austin, TX To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 77 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 5/4/00 11:05:07 AM US Mountain Standard Time, bens@guinness.fourfold.org writes: << All arrived safely in Austin last night. >> Glad you arrived safely. Stay off of 6th ST there in Austin! :-) (Or at least I *think* it's 6TH where all the bars and such are. Great town Austin!) Cheers, Gerry Elam PHX AZ From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu May 4 16:40:22 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e44KeMY17911 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 May 2000 16:40:22 -0400 Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 12:54:00 -0800 From: "Granny" X-Mailer: EMURL 2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mendo List" Subject: RR Xfer Box Questions Message-ID: <0504100125400.0.10164549@nt-1.pacific.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org RROs of mendo_recce, Ziggy's ('92 RR) xfer box is suffering the well-known clunk and it's getting noticeably worse lately. I'm starting to think about replacement or rebuild. I have found an inexpensive used Borg-Warner xfer box that recently had a new main shaft and new bearings installed by a Land Rover dealer. It however has a cracked viscous coupling housing. Can I simply remove my xfer box, remove the VC housings from my xfer box and from the good xfer box, bolt my VC housing to the good xfer box, and then bolt it up to my gearbox? Does this require special tools as does a Series xfer box? I have one of those tools for a Series LR. James, I know you (and I'm sure others, too) did xfer box rebuilds. Roughly what was the cost of parts? Thanks in advance to all who reply, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu May 4 17:05:17 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e44L5HH17978 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 May 2000 17:05:17 -0400 Message-ID: <3911D6DF.8E2B786B@frontier.net> Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 14:00:32 -0600 From: Thomas Joyner Organization: FITA de Mexico X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mendo List Subject: Slider to weld Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Michael, I think the 1/4" wall is a little ovekill but free metal is free metal. I'm planning at this point to attach the sliders to the sill and to the body outriggers for what I hope will be a relatively bomb proof set up. Any suggestions? I'll try and make a photo montage of the project too. Tom 88 RR From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu May 4 17:11:43 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e44LBhS18026 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 May 2000 17:11:43 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 12:57:09 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: Mendo List Subject: Re: RR Xfer Box Questions In-Reply-To: <0504100125400.0.10164549@nt-1.pacific.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The main shaft wears significantly over time. That is all I replaced on mine, which didn't require removal of the transfer case. I took the front and rear cover off, and removed the shaft. I also replaced the bearings, which you need a big, high quality set of snap ring pliers for. If you aren't going to replace the chain, just the shaft and bearings, you can do all this work with the case in situ. Dave Ashcroft at Automatic Conversions provided me with loads of free advice to help me. I sure he could help you if you contact him. James On Thu, 4 May 2000, Granny wrote: > RROs of mendo_recce, > > Ziggy's ('92 RR) xfer box is suffering the well-known clunk and it's > getting noticeably worse lately. I'm starting to think about > replacement or rebuild. > > I have found an inexpensive used Borg-Warner xfer box that recently had > a new main shaft and new bearings installed by a Land Rover dealer. It > however has a cracked viscous coupling housing. > > Can I simply remove my xfer box, remove the VC housings from my xfer box > and from the good xfer box, bolt my VC housing to the good xfer box, > and then bolt it up to my gearbox? Does this require special tools as > does a Series xfer box? I have one of those tools for a Series LR. > > James, I know you (and I'm sure others, too) did xfer box rebuilds. > Roughly what was the cost of parts? > > Thanks in advance to all who reply, > > > Granny > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu May 4 17:35:53 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e44LZrQ18087 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 May 2000 17:35:53 -0400 From: "Paul Archibald" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org X-CC-Sender: paarch@jps.net Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 20:38:57 GMT Subject: Re: Slider to weld X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <3911dfe1.7e96.0@jps.net> X-User-Info: 216.49.48.59 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Suggestions? Well how good a welder are you? Practice a lot. I'd suggest to emphasize on the strength of the attachment points on the frame and not on the sill personally.(remember the frame is thin, so you need to use a large plate area on frame) When I had my '87 rangie, I was planning on fabbing up some sliders as well using two pieces of rectangular section welded together trying to match the contour of the plastic rocker panels you are removing. you will see what I mean when you take them off. You will want to leave some space for deflection between the top of the sliders and the door-sill say about 3/8 to 1/2 inch or you may end up damaging the body as you drop the full weight of the vehicle onto the slider. Good luck and let us know how it goes. Paul >Michael, > >I think the 1/4" wall is a little ovekill but free metal is free metal. >I'm planning at this point to attach the sliders to the sill and to the >body outriggers for what I hope will be a relatively bomb proof set up. >Any suggestions? I'll try and make a photo montage of the project too. > >Tom >88 RR > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu May 4 20:17:32 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e450HWh18488 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 May 2000 20:17:32 -0400 Date: 4 May 2000 16:20:47 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org X-Sender: web79245@dreamlab.cc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: RR Xfer Box Questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >The main shaft wears significantly over time. That is all I replaced on >mine, which didn't require removal of the transfer case. I took the front >and rear cover off, and removed the shaft. I also replaced the bearings, >which you need a big, high quality set of snap ring pliers for. If you >aren't going to replace the chain, just the shaft and bearings, you can do >all this work with the case in situ. > >Dave Ashcroft at Automatic Conversions provided me with loads of free >advice to help me. I sure he could help you if you contact him. > >James Granville, I'm getting ready to do the exact same repair on mine, that James describes above. I understand that it really is pretty straigtforward and that with the right couple of tools and some elbow grease, is'nt that bad. Wanna race? :) Michael Slade Portland, Oregon www.DreamLab.cc From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu May 4 21:39:41 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e451dfZ18578 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 May 2000 21:39:41 -0400 Message-ID: <391217EA.49443F06@slip.net> Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 17:38:02 -0700 From: Jeremy Bartlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo VI References: <004a01bfb5ee$3232d7e0$ae051fd1@BlairPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Blair Peterson wrote: > Some of PH is QUITE steep, and a contortion test the whole way down. Try 40 or Big Sullivan/21 next time :) I'm disappointed I couldn't make Mendo for the 1st time, a disadvantage of a rotating schedule and assorted chaos. Sounds like it was a good time. Did anyone run into any of the rangers? Jeremy From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu May 4 22:08:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e45284q18628 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 May 2000 22:08:04 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bfb62e$92a4fbe0$45730118@C901042-A.marin1.sfba.home.com> From: "Eric Congdon" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 18:09:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org unsubscribe From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 5 00:12:09 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e454C9519014 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 00:12:09 -0400 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: <7b.3a75534.264396c1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 23:15:13 EDT Subject: Re: Mendo VI To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 5/4/00 10:32:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, peterson@interasset.com writes: > > Interested to hear more about the mystery of the M5-Hough Springs route > being solved, too. > I crawled out that way, (missed the forest fire though) and the most interesting thing was a shock failure. It appears that my left rear shock had some crud floating about, and it failed to expand after dampening. Net result was ever greater lean to the left. although not particularly dangerous, it felt odd on the outward leaning portions of the downhill runs. Near the bottom, there are some optional completely legal water crossings which are mighty fine, and a portion of the road is down the streambed, though not in the water. What a nice ride, really. Zack From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 5 00:31:48 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e454VmJ19474 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 00:31:48 -0400 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 20:27:50 -0700 Subject: Re: CHEAP Rangie parts... Message-ID: <20000504.202752.-173095.22.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-12 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks: the doors/wings are spoken for, but I still have a roof panel with sunroof that's up for grabs. $250.00. (I didn't get a motor/headliner with it) Charles "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 5 00:36:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e454aRH19548 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 00:36:27 -0400 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 23:39:28 EDT Subject: Re: CHEAP Rangie parts... To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 5/4/00 8:37:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cirvin1258@juno.com writes: > I still have a roof panel with > sunroof that's up for grabs. What color is that bad boy, mi Amigo? Zackl From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 5 00:43:20 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e454hKp19564 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 00:43:20 -0400 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 20:39:03 -0700 Subject: Re: CHEAP Rangie parts... Message-ID: <20000504.203904.-173095.24.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-20 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey...you said you weren't interested a few months ago: didn't sell that truck yet, eh? It's light metallic blue. Charles On Thu, 4 May 2000 23:39:28 EDT Zaxcoinc@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 5/4/00 8:37:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > cirvin1258@juno.com writes: > > > I still have a roof panel with > > sunroof that's up for grabs. > What color is that bad boy, mi Amigo? > > Zackl "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 5 01:31:30 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e455VUU19634 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 01:31:30 -0400 Message-ID: <39124F4A.98F968DD@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 21:34:18 -0700 From: "Franklin H. Yap" X-Sender: "Franklin H. Yap" <@mail.earthlink.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-FLASHNET (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Austin, TX References: <200005041900.e44J03w17426@guinness.ovlr.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Benjamin Smith wrote: > > ... After driving the 101 so > far, I have to say that the 101 makes the series ride seem like a plush > mobile. Never has my postierior been so sore from a trip. > Ben, Thank you for the honest description. I guess I'll never own one. Frank From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 5 02:17:50 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e456HoN19680 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 02:17:50 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 06:16:50 +0100 To: LandRovers@dpcons.demon.co.uk From: John G Mercer Subject: www.overdrives.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dear Webmaster, I am both a Landrover enthusiast and web nut and have been helping Tim Payne build a site called www.Overdrives.com which gives details of the first ever specifically designed overdrive unit for Defenders and Discoverys. The unit gives a fuel saving that pays for the unit in two years - the reduced engine revs means the engine wears out more slowly - the reduced engine noise means that the driver wears out more slowly. Please do have a look at the new site - we would be very grateful if you could bring the site to the attention of your club members by mentioning the URL on your web site. many thanks John Mercer From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 5 02:21:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e456LLY19695 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 02:21:21 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mewgull@popd.ix.netcom.com Message-Id: Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 22:21:19 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: "G. Mugele" Subject: Cheap to a good home... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey all you smokers and soot spreaders; Due to changes circumstances and living arrangements an unloved 55 gallon drum with pump has become available. Actually it has recently become unloved because of the space it takes in the garage. This is a clean drum, originally from the world famous Meyers Drum company in beautiful scenic Emeryville, California. It is clean although it sports a trendy "distressed finish" on the painted (black/white) surfaces and the pump has a lovely diesel stain patina. This unit served light duty faithfully for more than two decades as an at home diesel tank topper-upper. The pump is the reciprocating diaphragm hand powered variety and as I recall, it moves one gallon for every 8 full strokes. The hose was replaced about ten years ago and is in good used condition. Bidding is now open with no reserve and all bids will be for pickup in Glen Ellen, Calif. NOTE: This would not be appropriate storage for petrol or other more volatile liquids. However, it could be easily converted (via cleaning and rinsing) to other oils. Please give this can a good home. Seriously... this thing hasta go and I don't want to just toss it. If you can use it; we can work something out. Reply direct to MewGull@ix.netcom.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 5 02:30:32 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e456UWS19709 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 02:30:32 -0400 Message-ID: <39125E50.BC3504E6@home.com> Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 22:38:24 -0700 From: Fil Figueroa Organization: Empty Wallet Foundation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Austin, TX References: <200005041900.e44J03w17426@guinness.ovlr.org> <39124F4A.98F968DD@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ben, i liked Austin when i was there, it is a party town, check out 3rd street and go up , lots of bars and fun stuff to do, it's just too hot, very progressive town plus i saw 4 series while i was there have fun, Fil From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 5 02:47:02 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e456l2j19739 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 02:47:02 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000504224635.006b5c8c@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 22:46:35 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Re: Mendo VI In-Reply-To: <7b.3a75534.264396c1@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Blair wrote: >> Interested to hear more about the mystery of the M5-Hough Springs route >> being solved, too. Zack replied: >I crawled out that way, (missed the forest fire though) and the most >interesting thing was a shock failure. It appears that my left rear shock had >some crud floating about, and it failed to expand after dampening. Net result >was ever greater lean to the left. although not particularly dangerous, it >felt odd on the outward leaning portions of the downhill runs. Near the >bottom, there are some optional completely legal water crossings which are >mighty fine, and a portion of the road is down the streambed, though not in >the water. Ah, that would be the former and still signed M5. That's the route, that goes down the east side of Spanish Ridge, that TeriAnn, Clark and Donna, and Don and I tried to use on our way in last year and found blocked with slips 'n' slides. The route we took out, that's shown as the M5 on the OHV trail map, is on the next ridge to the east, Indian Ridge. The first stream crossing Zack hit would have been Spanish Creek. The second, where he ran down the channel for a way, was North Fork Cache Creek. Where he popped up onto Bartlett Springs Road (M12) is called Hough Springs although I'm danged if I have ever seen any sign of springs around there. Not that I actually looked, mind. The route we took has no stream crossings and appears pretty reliable. It's got some fairly steep bits that might be challenging when wet; otherwise, it's pretty tame. Oh, well, the north end of it (near Pacific Ridge) is very cobbly and would be a bit of a bone-breaker in the back of a 101FC! The more easterly fork is the main route but after seeing a Chevy Sonoma pickup come up that way, with two motorcycles in the back, we figured we'd better try harder to find some fun. The route the Sonoma guys took, which starts at "Barkerville" near where the boat ramp is on Indian Valley Reservoir, seems like a promising way in most any time and probably would be fairly quick, at least for those coming from my direction--Highway 101 to Highway 20 to Nice, then left on Bartlett Springs Road at the old Bartlett Springs Mineral Water bottling plant, over Bartlett Mountain, past Bartlett Springs (the old resort), a few miles to the reservoir then watch for the boat ramp. For others, it would be accessed by taking Highway 16 to Highway 20, then left to Walker Ridge Road, then right to Bartlett Springs Road, then left a few miles to the ramp area. It all more or less shows in the DeLorme Atlas. If I'm vague about the exact location of the intersection (probably unmarked) of the road with Bartlett Springs Road near the boat ramp it's because we came out that other trail I mentioned and headed the west. Rich, Dave, John, and Alexander would have passed the intersection--did any of you spot it? There are other trails in that area (BLM land around the Reservoir) that I'd like to explore, too. Might have to do a one-day recce up there some time. Not any time soon, though, I'm afraid. Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 5 12:53:52 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e45GrqV21056 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 12:53:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200005051653.e45Grow21053@guinness.ovlr.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Austin, TX In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 04 May 2000 22:38:24 PDT." <39125E50.BC3504E6@home.com> Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 12:53:50 -0400 From: Benjamin Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <39125E50.BC3504E6@home.com>you write: > i liked Austin when i was there, it is a party town, check out 3rd > street and go up , lots of bars and fun stuff to do, it's just too hot, > very progressive town plus i saw 4 series while i was there My last company had a HQ here in Austin, so I was familiar with what I was getting into. 6th street is a lot of fun. I haven't seen any Series around yet. Once I do some maintenance on the 101, I think I'll pay a visit to the dealership and find out the contact information for the local LR club. Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 5 15:58:38 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e45Jwc821738 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 15:58:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200005051901.MAA17475@scv3.apple.com> Subject: Awful Quiet Out There.... Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 12:01:05 -0700 x-sender: Peterson@mail.mac.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Bob Peterson To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Is is just us Mac/Linux/Unix users out there today? BP ---------------------------------------------------------------------- B O B P E T E R S O N e-Mail: peterson@apple.com Portola Valley, California '95 RED 5-Speed (Now Rare!) Disco "Algernon" (650) 854-7600 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 5 16:09:43 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e45K9h221789 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 16:09:43 -0400 Date: 5 May 2000 12:12:55 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org X-Sender: web79245@dreamlab.cc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Awful Quiet Out There.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Is is just us Mac/Linux/Unix users out there today? > >BP Just working. Want a cool pic of a really old LR? Michael Slade Portland, Oregon www.DreamLab.cc From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 5 17:17:50 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e45LHor22128 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:17:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200005052033.NAA21478@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: Awful Quiet Out There.... Date: Fri, 5 May 00 13:20:58 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >Is is just us Mac/Linux/Unix users out there today? > >BP Could be. I would guess Wintel network admins have got their intranets locked down and the internet shut off as they rush a new filter into their firewalls. There is an advantage to being a very little population sometimes. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 5 17:46:32 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e45LkWq22220 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:46:32 -0400 Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 15:49:43 -0500 From: esimpson@acesag.auburn.edu (Eugene H. Simpson III) Message-Id: <200005052049.PAA10860@comer70.acesag.auburn.edu> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Awful Quiet Out There.... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Is is just us Mac/Linux/Unix users out there today? It appears to be that way here at Auburn U. Those of us with unix boxes (and a small handful of Mac folks) are working normally, and most of the PC community has left for the weekend under much stress. I'll bet they won't tell their loved ones "I LOVE YOU" either. Gene From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 5 17:47:13 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e45LlDX22231 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:47:13 -0400 From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: MendoNF Ranger Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 13:52:10 -0700 Message-ID: <003a01bfb6d3$c9410720$ae051fd1@BlairPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jeremy, A Ranger stopped by the lunchtime convergance of Rovers at Letts Lake on Saturday. I introduced myself (to ask about the locked loo at Cedar Camp). Of course I've forgotten his name but he certainly knew yours and was most appreciative of the Club's quick responses for trail clearing whenever he calls you. Anyhow, he said he'd had reports of blowdowns on Trail 21 and asked that anyone headed that way to pls clear them if so equipped. Unbeknownst to me Tom W had already heeded that call and cleared the trail, but Bubba, Nick-in-Grommit, Rob and Cynthia, John K, and I (with Dave Gomes as passenger) headed over there after lunch. We ran it from Little Sulli to Crackerbox, like last year. Thanks to Tom's work earlier in the day, there was no timber to clear, but plenty of other thrills (for me, at least, getting the 109 down and then up out of there) but that is another story. Seems to me he is very appreciative of and happy with NCRC. Real nice guy to boot. Cheers. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 5 17:51:36 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e45LpaZ22245 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:51:36 -0400 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 16:54:33 EDT Subject: Re: Awful Quiet Out There.... To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 77 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 5/5/00 1:51:38 PM US Mountain Standard Time, esimpson@acesag.auburn.edu writes: << Is is just us Mac/Linux/Unix users out there today? >> Nah..... just nothing to contribute. Armando did stop by last Sunday. He was in town for a computer conf. We sacrificed portions of a dead cow over the grill and enjoyed a nice visit. He says he misses his *brother* who went to Belize and live in PHX too. :-) Cheers, Gerry From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 5 17:58:44 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e45LwiG22277 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:58:44 -0400 Message-id: <1000505140015.31f0001.3f8c6a02.ASIP6.2b6.63637@smtp.pvr.com> Subject: Re: Awful Quiet Out There.... Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 14:01:33 -0700 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Bob Frey To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org We're lucky to 90% Mac and Unix based. We do have a connection to the Compaq corporate LAN where things are pretty normal, albeit a bit slow email wise. Lotsa damage control and some very fast and responsive filter writing yesterday AM. Bob Frey From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 5 18:28:44 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e45MSiT22338 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 18:28:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200005052228.e45MShw22335@guinness.ovlr.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Awful Quiet Out There.... In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 05 May 2000 14:01:33 PDT." <1000505140015.31f0001.3f8c6a02.ASIP6.2b6.63637@smtp.pvr.com> Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 18:28:43 -0400 From: Benjamin Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <1000505140015.31f0001.3f8c6a02.ASIP6.2b6.63637@smtp.pvr.com>you wri te: > We're lucky to 90% Mac and Unix based. We do have a connection to the > Compaq corporate LAN where things are pretty normal, albeit a bit slow > email wise. Lotsa damage control and some very fast and responsive filter > writing yesterday AM. The problem is that most companies are just slapping in bandaids. Ok, so you block all emails with the subject of "ILOVEYOU". Chang the subject to "Mothers Day" and the v*rus gets back in again. Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 5 18:36:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e45MaTV22376 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 18:36:29 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000505143320.007afcc0@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 14:33:20 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: Awful Quiet Out There.... In-Reply-To: <1000505140015.31f0001.3f8c6a02.ASIP6.2b6.63637@smtp.pvr.co m> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Gee! I guess nobody loves me. :>( We have been online mostly, and no lovebug yet! Bob B PC/Win98/Eudora/etc. At 02:01 PM 5/5/2000 -0700, you wrote: >We're lucky to 90% Mac and Unix based. We do have a connection to the >Compaq corporate LAN where things are pretty normal, albeit a bit slow >email wise. Lotsa damage control and some very fast and responsive filter >writing yesterday AM. > >Bob Frey > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 5 19:14:19 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e45NEJX22518 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 19:14:19 -0400 X-Sender: studios@cwnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Michael Carradine Subject: Re: Awful Quiet Out There.... Message-Id: <20000505221731.BOXT25138.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 15:17:31 -0700 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 02:33 PM 5/5/00 -0700, you wrote: >Gee! >I guess nobody loves me. :>( >We have been online mostly, and no lovebug yet! > >Bob B >PC/Win98/Eudora/etc. > > >At 02:01 PM 5/5/2000 -0700, you wrote: >>We're lucky to 90% Mac and Unix based. We do have a connection to the >>Compaq corporate LAN where things are pretty normal, albeit a bit slow >>email wise. Lotsa damage control and some very fast and responsive filter >>writing yesterday AM. >> >>Bob Frey I received the same email about a week or two ago. Seeing that it was unsolicited mail from an unknown sender, and the attachment was an .exe file, both were prudently deleted. Common sense has nothing to do with operating a Win, Mac, or Unix system (well, it kinda does, but I don't care to get into that now ;) -Michael WinNT User, about to experience mucho down time and endless frustration "upgrading" to Win2000. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 5 19:23:12 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e45NNCd22556 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 19:23:12 -0400 Message-id: <1000505152443.323a6b8.3f8c6a02.ASIP6.2b6.64625@smtp.pvr.com> Subject: Re: Awful Quiet Out There.... Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 15:26:02 -0700 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Bob Frey To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This one was labeled .txt.... Hey, I know, I'll label it "Cheap US D-130.txt" and see if you can resist! Bob Frey On 5/5/00 3:17 PM Michael Carradine wrote: > I received the same email about a week or two ago. > Seeing that it was unsolicited mail from an unknown > sender, and the attachment was an .exe file, both > were prudently deleted. Common sense has nothing to > do with operating a Win, Mac, or Unix system (well, it > kinda does, but I don't care to get into that now ;) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 5 19:44:57 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e45Nivv22605 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 19:44:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200005052247.PAA10783@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 15:44:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Awful Quiet Out There.... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm here too! I just don't use the infected mailer on my PC! and run netbsd or linux on my other boxes TomW > Gee! > I guess nobody loves me. :>( > We have been online mostly, and no lovebug yet! > > Bob B > PC/Win98/Eudora/etc. > > > At 02:01 PM 5/5/2000 -0700, you wrote: > >We're lucky to 90% Mac and Unix based. We do have a connection to the > >Compaq corporate LAN where things are pretty normal, albeit a bit slow > >email wise. Lotsa damage control and some very fast and responsive filter > >writing yesterday AM. > > > >Bob Frey > > > > > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1652 bumble bee.. LandRovers tomw@best.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 5 19:48:56 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e45NmuS22619 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 19:48:56 -0400 X-Sender: studios@cwnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Michael Carradine Subject: Re: Awful Quiet Out There.... Message-Id: <20000505225209.COBG25138.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 15:52:09 -0700 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, that does sound tempting... if it had said "Cheap late model US D-110-5door.txt", it would certainly piqued my interest, having lusted for one of these for a long while now ;) -Michael At 03:26 PM 5/5/00 -0700, you wrote: >This one was labeled .txt.... > >Hey, I know, I'll label it "Cheap US D-130.txt" and see if you can resist! > >Bob Frey > >On 5/5/00 3:17 PM Michael Carradine wrote: > >> I received the same email about a week or two ago. >> Seeing that it was unsolicited mail from an unknown >> sender, and the attachment was an .exe file, both >> were prudently deleted. Common sense has nothing to >> do with operating a Win, Mac, or Unix system (well, it >> kinda does, but I don't care to get into that now ;) > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 5 20:42:55 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e460gt822760 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 20:42:55 -0400 Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 16:56:31 -0800 From: "Granny" X-Mailer: EMURL 2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cc: Subject: Dixon Meet? Message-ID: <0505100165631.0.10164549@nt-1.pacific.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anyone know when/if the Dixon lawn leak is supposed to take place? Has it already taken place? An MG owner where I work wants to know. His name is Mack Ford and his e-mail address is Or send to me or post to list and I'll get it to him. Thanks, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 5 22:41:53 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e462frX23027 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 22:41:53 -0400 X-Sender: studios@cwnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Michael Carradine Subject: Hayward Leak? Re: Dixon Meet? Message-Id: <20000506014504.GOZI25138.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 18:45:04 -0700 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 04:56 PM 5/5/00 -0800, you wrote: >Anyone know when/if the Dixon lawn leak is supposed to take place? Has >it already taken place? An MG owner where I work wants to know. His >name is Mack Ford and his e-mail address is > Or send to me or post to list and I'll get it to him. > On that same note, when is the Hayward leak? Or, has this "event" fallen out of favor with the LR chic? ;) -Michael From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat May 6 01:59:42 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e465xgv23794 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 6 May 2000 01:59:42 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000505205925.0082d790@shell14.ba.best.com> X-Sender: daniel5@shell14.ba.best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 20:59:27 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Daniel Oppenheim Subject: Africa flick Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Could have been called "I Dream of Land Rovers!!!" 8 different models, in damn near every scene. Green. Star of show is a RHD Ser IIa 109 SW. Way cool. One HUGE error (dialog) in the movie. First one to catch it gets a South African Land Rover sticker... Daniel From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat May 6 02:54:51 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e466spd23880 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 6 May 2000 02:54:51 -0400 Message-ID: <015301bfb720$f593bdc0$c5328ed1@ShaneHenry> From: "Shane Ballensky" To: References: <3.0.32.20000505205925.0082d790@shell14.ba.best.com> Subject: Re: Africa flick Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 23:04:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org They called the rover a j**p? Shane ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Oppenheim To: Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 8:59 PM Subject: Africa flick > Could have been called "I Dream of Land Rovers!!!" > > 8 different models, in damn near every scene. Green. Star of show is a RHD > Ser IIa 109 SW. Way cool. > > One HUGE error (dialog) in the movie. First one to catch it gets a South > African Land Rover sticker... > > Daniel > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat May 6 04:38:53 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e468crS24034 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 6 May 2000 04:38:53 -0400 Message-ID: <3913CCBE.1EC075B7@thelen.org> Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 00:41:50 -0700 From: "Christopher H. Dow" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo VI References: <004a01bfb5ee$3232d7e0$ae051fd1@BlairPC> <391217EA.49443F06@slip.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jeremy Bartlett wrote: > Did anyone run into any of the rangers? One met us at the Letts lake lunch site. He sent someone in to unlock the (brand new, not stiky yet) toilets for us. C From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat May 6 04:48:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e468mPM24053 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 6 May 2000 04:48:25 -0400 Message-ID: <3913CF08.25FD8EE2@thelen.org> Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 00:51:36 -0700 From: "Christopher H. Dow" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Awful Quiet Out There.... References: <200005051901.MAA17475@scv3.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bob Peterson wrote: > > Is is just us Mac/Linux/Unix users out there today? Atually, while my (as of today) former employer was hit prety hard by the love bug, there was no outage of email. We just all put in filters to delete the silly thing. Some of us knew better than to open attachments from people when we weren't expecting them. I usually call to confirm that someone sent me something on purpose if there's a short vague description of the contents of an enclosure. Regardless, I almost never open attachments that are visual basic or .exes. Even if the exes aren't a worm, they could still be infected in some way. Oh, yeah, the other thing is that if you use Netscape on a PC under Windows, then you were likely to be immune from it. Why is it a good idea to have mail clients that can execut programs? Oh yeah. I forgot. It's so Bill can make more money. Silly me. C From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat May 6 05:50:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e469ob324107 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 6 May 2000 05:50:37 -0400 Message-ID: <01BFB6FE.0033B3C0@g.l1.vfr.net> From: Clayton Kirkwood To: "Rro@Playground. Sun. Com (E-mail)" , "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: RE: New Diffs Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 20:41:30 -0700 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, as requested, I am giving my impression of the Detroit Softlocker and Trutrac. (Yes, the detroit has the nylon inserts). So far, I have only had these on the road. For the most part, I have not even noticed my setup (Detroit in rear (locking), and Truetrac (torque biasing) up front). Even in tight turning situations like parking or tight turns around corners at low speed, I've only ocassionally heard the ratcheting from the rear. But basically unnoticeable. I do ocassionally feel an odd pull or tug especially going around a bend in the road. The sensation is like trying to continue to go in a straight line. This seems reasonable given the rears are both driving and may be locking up a bit. I do notice times when I have to be more insistent about turning: sometime when I turn the wheel a little I feel like the truck isn't responding to the input. I notice this most going down our steep hill and turning around the curves in the road. It just seems to mean that I can't just turn the wheel and have it carry out my order: I have to stay on the turn. I have played in the mud in our front yard some. Nice living in the country and having a front yard that I can 4wheel in. One thing I have noticed: my new diffs won't get me out of four wheel mud very well still. Still easy to get stuck. I played with some split friction conditions where one side was in mud or pea gravel and the other side on tarmac. I did get some wheel slip in the loose stuff but the tarmac side definitely pulled me along with little slippage overall. Clayton -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Kelly [SMTP:kkelly6788@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 8:18 AM To: kirkwood@garlic.com Subject: New Diffs Clayton: Post to the list how the Disco drives with the new diffs, do you notice them around town. Is the soft locker the old Detroit with plastic inserts so it does not clank when it locks up. Kevin Kelly From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat May 6 11:47:26 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e46FlQR24411 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 6 May 2000 11:47:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200005061503.IAA04196@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: RE: New Diffs Date: Sat, 6 May 00 07:50:38 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Well, as requested, I am giving my impression of the Detroit Softlocker and >Trutrac. (Yes, the detroit has the nylon inserts). And a second datapoint for automatic biasing diff up front. My Quaife works in the same basic way as the TruTrac. I can not feel the automatic biasing kick in as it does so gradually and the diff has not affecting steering in any way I could feel. The only thing I have noticed is that the car does a better job of going where I point it. An automatic biasing diff does require a minimum of resistance from the slippery side to work though. If you have a wheel in the air you need to apply the brakes slightly to get a turning resistance. Then the diff will transmit all the power over to the grounded wheel. So if you notice brake lights on a car in real slippery slop or climbing a rock that is putting a wheel in the air you know the car is running automatic torque biasing diffs. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat May 6 11:54:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e46Fs8V24431 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 6 May 2000 11:54:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200005061509.IAA04435@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: Hayward Leak? Re: Dixon Meet? Date: Sat, 6 May 00 07:57:22 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > On that same note, when is the Hayward leak? > Or, has this "event" fallen out of favor with > the LR chic? ;) I think Palo Alto and Portland ABFMs have been the only ones popular to the bay area LR people. Hayward got a good turnout one year in conjunction with a Gilroy off road day Sat and camping Sat night. Other than that I have only noticed very low LR numbers at lawn leaks. I went to Hayward last year in the TR3. THere were a few LRs most all coilers not related to this group. If I go to Monterey this Sunday it will most likely be in the TR3. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat May 6 13:03:23 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e46H3Nx24508 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 6 May 2000 13:03:23 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006f01bfb32a$2e660720$7500000a@kkelly6788> References: <006f01bfb32a$2e660720$7500000a@kkelly6788> Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 08:25:02 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: john hess Subject: Re: Mendo Photos Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org 4 101s? Thanks for the posting the pictures; Next year, I will check my work schedule with the last weekend of April better. >I posted a few Mendo photos to: > >http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=218912&a=5566097 > >I forgot how slow a 56K modem is so I'll post the rest from >work tomorrow. > >Kevin Kelly John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat May 6 13:12:54 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e46HCss24524 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 6 May 2000 13:12:54 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000506081238.00811920@shell14.ba.best.com> X-Sender: daniel5@shell14.ba.best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 08:12:45 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Daniel Oppenheim Subject: Re: Africa flick Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Shane, Ding ding ding We have a winner!(send me your address for your prize) I booed out loud at that moment. I also cheered when he got the letter from Stanford, as I live in San Francisco. Did you like the movie? Daniel A At 11:04 PM 05/05/2000 -0700, you wrote: >They called the rover a j**p? >Shane >----- Original Message ----- >From: Daniel Oppenheim >To: >Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 8:59 PM >Subject: Africa flick > > >> Could have been called "I Dream of Land Rovers!!!" >> >> 8 different models, in damn near every scene. Green. Star of show is a RHD >> Ser IIa 109 SW. Way cool. >> >> One HUGE error (dialog) in the movie. First one to catch it gets a South >> African Land Rover sticker... >> >> Daniel >> > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat May 6 13:55:36 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e46Htak24574 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 6 May 2000 13:55:36 -0400 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 12:58:36 EDT Subject: Re: Mendo VI To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 5/6/00 12:44:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dow@thelen.org writes: > One met us at the Letts lake lunch site. He sent someone in to unlock > the (brand new, not stiky yet) toilets for us. Although he came, the toilet was unlocked. Swiss army knife, and rover ingenuity. Zack From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat May 6 20:40:32 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e470eW325086 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 6 May 2000 20:40:32 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000506163933.006b826c@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 16:39:33 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Re: Dixon Meet? Cc: In-Reply-To: <0505100165631.0.10164549@nt-1.pacific.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I asked: >Anyone know when/if the Dixon lawn leak is supposed to take place? No one seemed to know so I did a web search using Google and found the Triumph Register website that has a calendar of Brit car leaks. It's at http://www.vtr.org/db/auto/events/event-summary.html . As TeriAnn pointed out, the Monterey leak is this weekend. The Dixon leak is 21 May. There are other Brit leaks listed for Chico 24-25 June, Dunsmuir (!) 27-29 May, Ventura 16 July, and Palo Alto 9-10 September but I don't see the Hayward meet listed. But then that site has no listing for the Portland ABFM either so I wouldn't assume that that means that there's no Hayward this year. British Car Mag, at http://www.britishcar.com/calendar/calendar.html lists some of these as well and give e-mail links. On that site there's also a mention of a concours d'elegance at Visalia on 28 May. Full details of the Dixon meet are on the sponsor's page at http://www.ubscc.org/events.htm . On a further search, I found the Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club page at http://www.wildrice.com/Triumph/events.html with a date for the Hayward leak of 11 June, which sounds about right. Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat May 6 22:14:57 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e472Eva25231 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 6 May 2000 22:14:57 -0400 Message-ID: <003a01bfb7b2$214fc1c0$cb4b0740@baggarly.com> From: "Nick C. Baggarly" To: References: <200005052228.e45MShw22335@guinness.ovlr.org> Subject: Re: Awful Quiet Out There.... Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 18:23:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > The problem is that most companies are just slapping in bandaids. > Ok, so you block all emails with the subject of "ILOVEYOU". Chang the > subject to "Mothers Day" and the v*rus gets back in again. > Ben Any company with half a clue uses email content filtering software that can block or redirect based on match of email subject, message body text, attachment name, size, recipient name, sender name, etc. A number of rules can be created to trap the love bug in it's many forms. They also use this software to eavesdrop on employees. Nick From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun May 7 06:27:49 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e47ARnN26535 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 May 2000 06:27:49 -0400 From: SFmms@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 05:30:52 EDT Subject: Re: LRs and Lawn Leaks To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TeriAnn wrote: << Other than that I have only noticed very low LR numbers at lawn leaks. >> The LA leak has a respectable LR turnout, but would be a bit far for some of you folks :) However, if you are in the area, it will be in October. The Rolls and Jag folks prefer that we are as far away as possible, so we end up in one of the best spots under the shade of trees. Maybe the reason for low turnouts is that we are too busy out on the trails. Finally, I will get to do the Mojave Road Trail this month if nothing happens to my SIII. Karen Sindir '74 SIII 88 Red Rufy '66 SIIa 88 Barbaros - work in progress '95 Disco EFE ' Karen From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun May 7 11:05:30 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e47F5UL26830 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 May 2000 11:05:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200005071413.HAA13135@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: LR Pictures needed for new BP website Date: Sun, 7 May 00 07:08:41 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org As many of you know, I am designing and building a new web site for British Pacific. I need a few pictures of Rovers in action for the site and thought it would be nice to have actual customer's rigs in the site. So if any of you would like to see your Land Rover prominently displayed in the British Pacific web site, please read on.... What I'm looking for is a 3/4 front picture of Rovers out in action four wheeling. The Rover should take up at least half the picture. In this case the picture needs to be of the car in an interesting environment not of the interesting environment with the car in the picture. There should be no identifiable people in the picture. I'm looking for a picture of each major model, a series II, IIA or III rig, Defender, Discovery, Classic Range Rover and new Range Rover. The cars need to be North American spec. If you want to show off your Rover in action by having it prominently displayed in the British Pacific web site please me a e-mail me (twakeman@overlander.net) the following: jpeg high resolution picture as an uncompressed e-mail attachment. The picture resolution can be 72, 144 or 288 dpi. Longest direction at 72 dip should be 5 inches. When I pick the images for the new web site I will get back to the Rover owners and ask for a signed model release and information for a mini bio of the car and owner. Thanks!! TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun May 7 12:52:13 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e47GqD626929 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 May 2000 12:52:13 -0400 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: <6a.28f1d70.2646ebb8@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 11:54:32 EDT Subject: Bulked up....... To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Woohoo..... a LR friend in Tucson found a bulkhead for me..... cheap too! Couple of repairs are needed but the repairs aren't rust related. My neck isn't getting much better. Tuesday, they'll do a fluoroscopic technique to try and id what's causing the pain. My goal is to have the Dormobile ready for Portland for the first meet of the new millennium. Maybe/maybe not. Cheers, Gerry PHX AZ From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun May 7 13:07:47 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e47H7l126955 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 May 2000 13:07:47 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200005071413.HAA13135@blackie.cruzers.com> References: <200005071413.HAA13135@blackie.cruzers.com> Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 09:07:56 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: john hess Subject: Re: LR Pictures needed for new BP website Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I'm looking for a picture of each major model, a series II, IIA or III >rig, Defender, Discovery, Classic Range Rover and new Range Rover. The >cars need to be North American spec. ahem, Dormobile? cheers TeriAnn. I was about to send you an email and ask how the work was going, since I missed Mendo. Planning on Oregon in August? John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun May 7 13:51:32 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e47HpWW26989 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 May 2000 13:51:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200005071654.JAA14530@smtp.Stanford.EDU> X-Sender: waycool@popserver.stanford.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 09:50:55 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: waycool@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rich Lee MD) Subject: Mendo Report (my first) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org My first Mendo. Greetings all! What a great bunch of people. I regret I did not make it up earlier. My Mendo trip prologue began at midnight after a Friday business dinner, SWMBO reminded me that to earn my "pass" to go, I still had to weed-whack all the tall grass around the house. This is to remove any nearby cover for rattlesnakes that my kids might encounter (each year, I catch and relocate at least 4 from around my front door or barn). Not wanting to delay my early am departure, I donned the trusty headlamp and Shindawa an set to work, grumbling that it was too early and too cold for "buzzworms". I moved some equipment beside my wife's Rangie to whack the grass beneath it and was greeted with an angry 18" Pacific Rattlesnake. Too tired and grumpy to search for the snake stick, I dispatched the serpent with the Shindawa and finished securing the perimeter. I finished packing and got to bed at 3:00 am, awoke at 5:30 and hit the road by 6:00. I made very good time and arrived in camp at 10:00 am to sign up as sweep vehicle for the Dow-led trip. After some back-n-forth searching, we found a nice little steep trail that unfortunately contained the :FC101 Vampire strainer". We regrouped and made our way to Letts Lake for lunch. The weather was beautiful and there were many happy fishermen bringing creels of large healthy trout back to camp. A Ranger came by and chatted with some of us. He was glad to see the turnout and reiterated how much he appreciated the work NCRC did on trail 21. After lunch, our group left for Potato Hill road. As I recall, we began the Potato Hill trail with 3 Series rovers , 1 FC101 "Vampire", Leslie's D90 and 3 Discos. Atop the last steep climb on Potato Hill, we encountered many more "Lazy Buggers" and one very overheated Disco. Original thinking was that its thermostat had failed in the closed position. I donned my purple nitrile exam gloves and volunteered to remove it. Normally, this is a 5-minue job, but not on a still-warm engine and especially not when one clumsily drops one of the thermostat cover bolts into some invisible engine cranny (Sorry Miles, take comfort that I've never dropped a newborn baby or any vital body parts in my real job). Just as we had fabricated a replacement by putting a lock-down nut onto a longer bolt, someone bumped the Disco and the original bolt dropped to the ground. Luckily, I still had my 5 gallon can of water. We returned to camp after 1 more overheat stop, where the diagnosis was revised to "failed viscous fan clutch". This was derived from the fact that the Disco only overheated on slow climbs and the engine fan spun so freely when the engine was stopped. The alternate fan cooling was achieved by disconnecting the plug to the A/C pump pulley clutch, so that switching on the A/C would switch on the electric cooling fans but not engage the A/C system. I hope it worked to get them home on Sunday. I forsook my evening mountain bike ride so that I could attempt a good first impression before dinner by making my infamous guacamole. Dinner was excellent and the conversation was incredibly diverse for a "car club". I was amazed by the absence of distorting boom boxes, lousy singing, drunken arguments and toppled people/furniture that I used to see at auto race camps. I retired to the folding stretcher/thermarest bed in the back of my Disco and slept very comfortably until awaken by what sounded like geese fighting. Gradually, I realized this was a bagpipe, but each time the music started, it suddenly stopped. I wouldn't have minded a good round of "Amazing Grace" if it was played. More Rover-inspecting and delightful conversation occurred, concluding with the formation of the "Crack of Noon Indian Ridge Recce". With Granny in the lead, a delightful team of people in 3 Rangies and 3 Discos headed out M5 to 16N06 and Indian Ridge. Just after meeting the aforementioned 4wd Sonoma pickup, we gathered at the high point of Indian Ridge, concluded that we were "over-qualified" for the route they had ascended up the eastern fork, and opted for "road less traveled-by" and it made all the difference (kudos to Robert Frost). The only tracks I saw coming up this one were from a few motorcycles. This was a very scenic trail through fire scar and new growth. Dotted with a few steep rutted descents, it was never boring. Thanks to Granny's chainsaw and his son's lumber jacking, the trail is now open to Rovers. It would be an interesting climb back up, particularly when wet. Most of us rubbed a bumper or two on some of the ruts, but the only casualty was the right rear tire on a Rangie that exploded the inside sidewall from an unseen stick assault (we guess, but the offending impaler was not found within the very large hole). We came out onto M12 near (non-existent) "Barkerville" and stopped for lunch around 3:30 pm. I had to hurry home so I lead the early-departures east over M-12 "rally-style" until we met up with more Lazy Buggers at the pass. I did not see anything significant to mark the start of the easier east road up Indian Ridge. We convoyed back to the Bay area with minimal traffic delay and radioed our goodbyes. An excellent trip, thanks to all of you. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 8 00:34:42 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e484YgG28343 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 May 2000 00:34:42 -0400 From: LRDino@aol.com Message-ID: <39.4bfc51a.2647907f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 23:37:35 EDT Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #134 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 106 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Tom, Would the same rockslider setup work on my Disco? Dino From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 8 02:20:59 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e486KxV28429 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 May 2000 02:20:59 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000507222003.006b8900@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 22:20:03 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Re: Mendo Report (my first) In-Reply-To: <200005071654.JAA14530@smtp.Stanford.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rich said it best: >What a great bunch of people. That's what gets us back up there, year after year! Thanks to you for the story and for your worthy company in camp and on the trail. I'm working on my story too but haven't made much progress. Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 8 02:42:19 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e486gJ328449 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 May 2000 02:42:19 -0400 Message-ID: <3916544F.B5EEAC8@thelen.org> Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 22:44:47 -0700 From: "Christopher H. Dow" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@off-road.com Subject: Now the neighbors are really going to be pissed... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Philip and I got up at oh-dark-thirty yesterday and drove over the the Alameda County auction. We came home with a pristine and very well-maintained white 1994 SWB Range Rover with air suspension, cyclone wheels, sunroof, and CD changer. It has 81K miles and needed a new battery (evidently it had sat for at least a month). When we brought it home, Walker said, "Hey Dad, we have them all now!". Sigh. All in all, it seemed a pretty good way to buy a car. There were a couple of 'new' Rangies that went for low 20s, and the one we bought was a very good price. The only catch is that you can't drive it before you buy it, although you can crawl all over the cars before the auction starts. Also, it wasn't possible to purchase a warranty that would cover the stuff I felt would be likely to go wrong (electrical, suspension). They covered brakes (but not the ABS stuff), engine, and tranny, but I don't remember hearing many problems with those parts of the Rangies owned by this group or the RRO folks, so I passed. At this point, I recommend this venue if you want to buy a luxury car of any sort. We'll see how it all works out in the end. C From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 8 09:47:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e48DlRl29050 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 May 2000 09:47:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200005081255.FAA28923@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: LR Pictures needed for new BP website Date: Mon, 8 May 00 05:50:36 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >ahem, Dormobile? sigh, alas, no. The Dormi configuration was made by a different company than LR and BP does not sell any Dormobile specific parts. > >cheers TeriAnn. I was about to send you an email and ask how the >work was going, since I missed Mendo. The basic layout and framework is completed. I have some sections populated with content to check load time and readability. A new hosting company just set up directories for hosting the site and the site is ready to upload into it's new home. Steve wants to add most of the actual contents himself. All the addresses will be static so you will be able to bookmark the deal of the day or any other page and expect it to be there next time you use the bookmark. It is not a merchant site but you will be able to see some classes of products and download acrobat versions of the catalogues. I'm guessing back part of June or first half of July before Steve gets all his contents flowed in. It will not go live until Steve is happy with the contents. I'm not going to say anything more about the layout of the site but I think people will see some major improvments and find it to be a much more pleasing and efficent site to visit. > Planning on Oregon in August? Twice, The Vintage Triumph Registar national convention is in Portland during early August, so I plan to drive the TR3 up there then. And of course I would love to do our normal week long coastal camping trip up to PABFM during the week prior to Labour Day weekend. Can your family make it this year? If yes we will probably need to start now to convience David Ries to get away from Apple long enough for the trip. Take care TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 8 12:48:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e48GmRT29516 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 May 2000 12:48:27 -0400 Message-ID: <3916E27C.E9FF88B5@thelen.org> Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 08:51:24 -0700 From: "Christopher H. Dow" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Now the neighbors are really going to be pissed... References: <3916544F.B5EEAC8@thelen.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Oh, yeah. Since he hasn't done it himself, I'm going to "out" Ben Mitchell on becoming the fourth Mendo owner of the pile o' parts that Jory Bell was selling. I went there with him on Wednesday, and I think it has a lot of potential. A lot of very nice, straight, and hard-to-find body pieces, etc. I wish ben luck on his new journey into Series land. C From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 8 13:12:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e48HCbR29562 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 May 2000 13:12:37 -0400 From: "Paul Archibald" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 16:15:31 GMT Subject: Re: Now the neighbors are really going to be pissed... X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <3916e823.7316.0@jps.net> X-User-Info: 216.49.48.59 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All-Right Ben!!! Welcome to the series fold! I guess I'd better get on the ball with my two, now that there is another series project coming back to life. If you need any help, let me know. I'm always able to make up some free time to play with piles of rover parts. ;-) ...don't suppose it managed to pick it's new name yet?? ;-) if not, you will know what I mean shortly as series rovers tend to kinda pick their own names.... Paul >Oh, yeah. Since he hasn't done it himself, I'm going to "out" Ben >Mitchell on becoming the fourth Mendo owner of the pile o' parts that >Jory Bell was selling. I went there with him on Wednesday, and I think >it has a lot of potential. A lot of very nice, straight, and >hard-to-find body pieces, etc. I wish ben luck on his new journey into >Series land. > >C > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 8 14:04:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e48I4Td29799 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 May 2000 14:04:29 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3916e823.7316.0@jps.net> References: <3916e823.7316.0@jps.net> Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:06:04 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: jory bell Subject: Re: Now the neighbors are really going to be pissed... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org for historical reference only (your on your own ben :) here is jason's original mendo list post from 1005 in which he named ben's new series beast: > >TO: Rover-Nuts of the mendo_recc mailing list >FROM: Rover Heaven >RE: Addressing Jason LaBranch's 1970 Series IIA SWB Hardtop > >Let it be known, from now on, that Jason LaBranch's 1970 Series IIA SWB >Hardtop shall be rightfully addressed as 'Ganesh, remover of obstacles.' >'Ganesh' may be used for casual speak, however in formal engagments the >full name must be used. > >Ok enough of the funny stuff. > >Why Ganesh? Well, Vance, Bruce, Kelly, Walt, John, Ben, Harley, and all the >significant others, remember on the second day of the Joe Lucas Ralley, when >we were heading up towards Goat Mountain and Lett's Lake? Remember when we >took that jeep trail, the one on which we made a u-turn because it went >straight up so far we could not see the end and the slop was so steep that >you wouldnt be able to walk up? Well, a friend and I went back last weekend. >We were headed for Letts Lake again and ended up on that trail. We were >running late and it was pitch black out -- just the stars and those monster >lights I have installed. After some discussion about life and death, and >the meaning of the universe I stuck Ganesh in 1st low and up we went. Let >me tell you, it was soo steep that that we were both leaning forward thinking >that that would help prevent the vehicle from flipping backwards. Up and up >we went. A little slip here a little slip there. Up and up we went. All >the while repeating sacred mantras. Just before the top it got extremely >steep. Gulp. Up and up we went. I could not see over the top. When it >was all over we were on the road that leads to Goat Mountain, the one blocked >by snow further up. We had done a circle. My friend looked at me and said, >"You know what? You give this thing a lot less credit than it is worth." >It was then that Ganesh got his name -- Ganesh, remover of obstacles. > >Jason From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 8 14:40:58 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e48IewR29839 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 May 2000 14:40:58 -0400 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 10:39:29 -0700 From: John Kieckhefer Subject: brake light switch... To: "Mendo Recce (E-mail)" Message-id: <000101bfb914$5d8adf90$0a01000a@john> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org My Hydraulic brake light switch seems to have failed. Is this a common failure ? Wouldn"t it normally fail in a closed position ? Is as simple as screw the old one off and the new one on.....?? Any comments are appreciated.. JK 109 (mutt) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 8 15:12:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e48JCRP29987 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 May 2000 15:12:27 -0400 Message-ID: <3916FC09.AD03F053@frontier.net> Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 11:40:25 -0600 From: Thomas Joyner Organization: FITA de Mexico X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mendo List Subject: Slider on Dino's Disco Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Tom, >Would the same rockslider setup work on my Disco? >Dino Dino, I'm not real familiar with the disco but I would have to guess that you could do a sill and fram mount of a slider on a Disco. It's all in the engineering/planning I think. Tom 88 RR From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 8 15:41:11 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e48JfBJ30293 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 May 2000 15:41:11 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 11:43:58 -0700 (PDT) From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: brake light switch... In-Reply-To: <000101bfb914$5d8adf90$0a01000a@john> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org BTDT. Yes, it is a simple as can be imagined. As you unscrew the old one, brake fluid leaks out, so when you screw in the new one, no air gets in. At least no air that I can feel on the pedal. I also previously posted the NAPA part number. cheers, On Mon, 8 May 2000, John Kieckhefer wrote: > My Hydraulic brake light switch seems to have failed. > Is this a common failure ? Wouldn"t it normally fail in a closed position ? > Is as simple as screw the old one off and the new one on.....?? > > Any comments are appreciated.. > > JK > 109 (mutt) > > john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 8 18:21:57 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e48MLvX30732 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 May 2000 18:21:57 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bfb934$2d04f200$7500000a@kkelly6788> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Black CA Lic. Plates Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 07:54:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A while back some people were talking about how to re-register an older Land Rover with the black CA plates that they had when they were new. I just found out how while working at the (very wet) Hillsborough Concours on Sunday. If you buy an older car with a blue plate or white plate all you need to do is get a pair of black plates (find them at a junk yard or buy them at a car show) and go down to the DMV and order a personalized plate with the same three letters and numbers. You will get a new set of white plates in the mail that have the same letters and numbers as the black plates. Put the new stickers on your old black plates, throw the new registration in the car and you are all set. Kevin Kelly From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 8 20:35:52 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e490ZqS31098 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 May 2000 20:35:52 -0400 Message-ID: <391750CF.E54C3A7F@wenet.net> Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 16:42:08 -0700 From: "Bruce R. Bonar" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Black CA Lic. Plates References: <000201bfb934$2d04f200$7500000a@kkelly6788> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Where were you? Stephanie and I were there from about 1 to 3:30. Nice selection of cars, especially given the weather. My favorites were the Astons, both the 2000 and the 66. Bruce Kevin Kelly wrote: > A while back some people were talking about how to > re-register an older Land Rover with the black CA plates > that they had when they were new. I just found out how > while working at the (very wet) Hillsborough Concours on From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 8 23:45:50 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e493joI31350 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 May 2000 23:45:50 -0400 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 19:31:41 -0700 Subject: Re: Black CA Lic. Plates Message-ID: <20000508.194026.-173095.5.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,7-8,11-14,16-40 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Another way - which in theory SHOULD work: (if you already have a vehicle with black plates, but no paperwork) Have the DMV do a title search to the first year sold (unless that was before 1963: if this is the case, request it for 1963): if the black plate on the vehicle is the original one, then you SHOULD be able to register the vehicle, using your proof as issued by the DMV, to keep the existing plates! I asked my DMV superviros/friend if this would work, and he honestly couldn't answer - apparently, he doesn't know of anybody trying it in the past, but it should work. Charles On Mon, 8 May 2000 07:54:14 -0700 "Kevin Kelly" writes: > A while back some people were talking about how to > re-register an older Land Rover with the black CA plates > that they had when they were new. I just found out how > while working at the (very wet) Hillsborough Concours on > Sunday. > > If you buy an older car with a blue plate or white plate all > you need to do is get a pair of black plates (find them at a > junk yard or buy them at a car show) and go down to the DMV > and order a personalized plate with the same three letters > and numbers. You will get a new set of white plates in the > mail that have the same letters and numbers as the black > plates. > > Put the new stickers on your old black plates, throw the new > registration in the car and you are all set. > > Kevin Kelly > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 9 01:00:41 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4950ft32096 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 01:00:41 -0400 To: lro@playground.sun.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org, british-cars@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 20:40:03 -0700 Subject: Exploratory on the Cortinas (NO LR content) Message-ID: <20000508.205552.-173095.10.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,6-7,15-16,27-28,30-31,33-42 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks: I finally picked up the two Cortinas this past Saturday!!!!!! One is a 1965-66 model (still not sure exactly - but the taillight lenses are dated 1965) - but lack of paperwork at present keeps me from confirming exactly. The other one is a '69. The '65 (?) has a broken ignition switch, but otherwise the wiring is intact: there's no battery, but I hooked up jumper cables from my Rangie, and the car has headlights! I hosed-down the engine compartment, and put a gallon of gas in it, but once I spotted the ignition switch, there went any chance of firing it up yesterday. This car was originally light metallic blue (Ice Blue?), but while the engine bay looks immaculate(!!!), the exterior paint is worn off the majority of the bodyshell. The '69 was originally painted Mint Green (light metallic green), and obviously went through a full restoration once - which included a new engine! The car was apart when it was repainted (now a gold/copper color), right down to brake lines/wiring having been removed! This explains the current electrical problem which prevents the car from starting...I hooked up a battery charger, and the car has flashers, turn signals, all forward-facing lights, but no taillights: however, the right rear turn signal works, as does the fan, and windshield wipers, AND the fuel gauge - it even has brakes!!!!! (NOTE: this is the cosmetically-better of the two cars - with excellent interior) I tried starting it, but there's a big short somewhere. BTW - both cars have plenty of oil, and it's fairly clean (dirty, but I can still see the dipstick through it) That's all I've done: I'm starting driving school at 0530 this week, so I don't have ANY time...I should be asleep now! Maybe next week I'll have one running... Charles "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 9 01:33:32 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e495XW332160 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 01:33:32 -0400 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 21:48:13 -0700 From: Ben Mitchell Subject: Re: Now the neighbors are really going to be pissed... To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Message-id: <39179895.6ED1C743@mitchellfamily.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; U; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <3916e823.7316.0@jps.net> Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yes it's true, I've taken posession of a right good pile 'o parts which (with a little luck) will someday again resemble a 1970 SIIA SWB Land Rover. It came down from its perch on the trailer today and was pushed into the driveway where I intend to do the initial dismantling and cleaning. At some point, the (cleaned) chassis will go into the garage for reassembly. The goal of this project is a nice, functional restoration. Nothing fancy - no major effort to improve/alter the original specification. I continue to find oil in very strange places as Jory stored it hung vertically on the wall of his shop for a while. Amusing stuff... It definitely needs a new motor, from what I was able to glean from Granny's long term memory it might be a good idea to replace/rebuild the tranny, and the wiring harness (what wiring harness?) is going to have to be replaced. I'll probably put parabolics on it since the stock springs look questionable and I figure it's better to just do it all at once than to linger about. Other than that, it looks to be pretty much a "clean, straighten, paint and reassemble" project. (Riiiiiiight. Did ya get the memo? Mmmmokay. I'll go ahead and make sure you get another copy of that memo.) For better or for worse however, I'm going to assert that total reconditioning also requires rechristening. At some point down the road, a new monaker will be devised as "Ganesh, remover of obstacles" doesn't quite do it for me. Maybe I'll even come up with a name for the 90 in the process. (Riiiiiiight...) Thanks (I think) to Chris Dow for encouraging me along. It's in no small part his fault that I'm in this mess ;-) Best to everyone, -Ben -- Benjamin DeWitt Mitchell It's Never Over Semio Corporation ben@mitchellfamily.com In a Rover benha@semio.com Y!Messenger: benha1 http://www.semio.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 9 01:50:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e495oR732180 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 01:50:27 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000508.194026.-173095.5.cirvin1258@juno.com> References: <20000508.194026.-173095.5.cirvin1258@juno.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 21:50:31 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: john hess Subject: Re: Black CA Lic. Plates Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org or like I did, having paperwork from the 1980s and an old rover with the black plates beginning with "A". OH, an aside- Black plates were started sometime in the early sixties. The letter that starts the plate can roughly be correlated to the year. So, a plate beginning with A should be ealry sixties. My Tiger started with R which fits middle sixties. I was doubtful if a 1960 series 2 should have had a black plate from new, but mine did. So I went to DMV with photos of the truck (front and rear) and asked for permission to use them. They eventually said yes and I was set. BTW, California vehicle code says that if the state gives you plates, you have to display THOSE plates. So, technically, my British plate that says STUBBBY is not legal. Good thing it's not on the car; there's no plate on front, which is another violation, but we won't mention it, will we? >Another way - which in theory SHOULD work: (if you already have a vehicle >with black plates, but no paperwork) > >Have the DMV do a title search to the first year sold (unless that was >before 1963: if this is the case, request it for 1963): if the black >plate on the vehicle is the original one, then you SHOULD be able to >register the vehicle, using your proof as issued by the DMV, to keep the >existing plates! > >I asked my DMV superviros/friend if this would work, and he honestly >couldn't answer - apparently, he doesn't know of anybody trying it in the >past, but it should work. > >Charles > >On Mon, 8 May 2000 07:54:14 -0700 "Kevin Kelly" > writes: > > A while back some people were talking about how to > > re-register an older Land Rover with the black CA plates > > that they had when they were new. I just found out how > > while working at the (very wet) Hillsborough Concours on > > Sunday. > > > > If you buy an older car with a blue plate or white plate all > > you need to do is get a pair of black plates (find them at a > > junk yard or buy them at a car show) and go down to the DMV > > and order a personalized plate with the same three letters > > and numbers. You will get a new set of white plates in the > > mail that have the same letters and numbers as the black > > plates. > > > > Put the new stickers on your old black plates, throw the new > > registration in the car and you are all set. > > > > Kevin Kelly > > > >"...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, >where all the women are strong, >all the men are good-looking, >and all the children, are above average." > >________________________________________________________________ >YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! >Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! >Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 9 02:28:36 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e496SaL32222 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 02:28:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200005090531.WAA12908@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 22:28:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Now the neighbors are really going to be pissed... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > Thanks (I think) to Chris Dow for encouraging me along. It's in no > small part his fault that I'm in this mess ;-) > Congrads! Counselors are standing by now awaiting your call, They are trained in dealing with this sickness! TomW > Best to everyone, > > -Ben > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1652 bumble bee.. LandRovers tomw@best.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 9 02:42:03 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e496g3X32252 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 02:42:03 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000508224059.006e55fc@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 22:40:59 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Renaming Ganesh In-Reply-To: <39179895.6ED1C743@mitchellfamily.com> References: <3916e823.7316.0@jps.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org BenM wrote: >For better or for worse however, I'm going to assert that total >reconditioning also requires rechristening. At some point down the >road, a new monaker will be devised as "Ganesh, remover of obstacles" >doesn't quite do it for me. Maybe I'll even come up with a name for the >90 in the process. (Riiiiiiight...) Gee, Ben, in memory of your fine and gracious contribution at Mendo this year of excellence in G&Ts, I think we might consider naming them... Gene & Tony! Or, if you prefer the feminine take, Jean & Toni. Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 9 02:47:31 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e496lVw32264 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 02:47:31 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000508224626.006e3f04@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 22:46:26 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Re: Black CA Lic. Plates In-Reply-To: References: <20000508.194026.-173095.5.cirvin1258@juno.com> <20000508.194026.-173095.5.cirvin1258@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org JohnH wrote: >BTW, California vehicle code says that if the state gives you plates, >you have to display THOSE plates. Funny thing about that: Melanie wanted some environmental plates with Yosemite on them (that's where we met in 1965). I thoughtfully declined for Ziggy as I don't run a front plate. So she got them for our ratty pickup. They simply came in the mail, with new numbers and the reg that matched those new numbers. No mention at all of what we were supposed to do with our old plates. So I kept them. Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 9 02:49:02 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e496n2q32276 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 02:49:02 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 22:33:22 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Black CA Lic. Plates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Out of curiosity, what is the big deal about the black plates? On Mon, 8 May 2000, john hess wrote: > or like I did, having paperwork from the 1980s and an old rover with > the black plates beginning with "A". OH, an aside- Black plates > were started sometime in the early sixties. The letter that starts > the plate can roughly be correlated to the year. So, a plate > beginning with A should be ealry sixties. My Tiger started with R > which fits middle sixties. > > I was doubtful if a 1960 series 2 should have had a black plate from > new, but mine did. So I went to DMV with photos of the truck (front > and rear) and asked for permission to use them. They eventually said > yes and I was set. > > BTW, California vehicle code says that if the state gives you plates, > you have to display THOSE plates. So, technically, my British plate > that says STUBBBY is not legal. Good thing it's not on the car; > there's no plate on front, which is another violation, but we won't > mention it, will we? > > > > >Another way - which in theory SHOULD work: (if you already have a vehicle > >with black plates, but no paperwork) > > > >Have the DMV do a title search to the first year sold (unless that was > >before 1963: if this is the case, request it for 1963): if the black > >plate on the vehicle is the original one, then you SHOULD be able to > >register the vehicle, using your proof as issued by the DMV, to keep the > >existing plates! > > > >I asked my DMV superviros/friend if this would work, and he honestly > >couldn't answer - apparently, he doesn't know of anybody trying it in the > >past, but it should work. > > > >Charles > > > >On Mon, 8 May 2000 07:54:14 -0700 "Kevin Kelly" > > writes: > > > A while back some people were talking about how to > > > re-register an older Land Rover with the black CA plates > > > that they had when they were new. I just found out how > > > while working at the (very wet) Hillsborough Concours on > > > Sunday. > > > > > > If you buy an older car with a blue plate or white plate all > > > you need to do is get a pair of black plates (find them at a > > > junk yard or buy them at a car show) and go down to the DMV > > > and order a personalized plate with the same three letters > > > and numbers. You will get a new set of white plates in the > > > mail that have the same letters and numbers as the black > > > plates. > > > > > > Put the new stickers on your old black plates, throw the new > > > registration in the car and you are all set. > > > > > > Kevin Kelly > > > > > > >"...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, > >where all the women are strong, > >all the men are good-looking, > >and all the children, are above average." > > > >________________________________________________________________ > >YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > >Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > >Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us > Land Rover Dormobile web pages: > http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html > 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" > 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 9 02:54:45 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e496sj332293 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 02:54:45 -0400 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: <64.287e4ae.264902cf@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 01:57:35 EDT Subject: Re: Now the neighbors are really going to be pissed... To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 5/8/00 9:50:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ben@mitchellfamily.com writes: > Thanks (I think) to Chris Dow for encouraging me along. It's in no > small part his fault that I'm in this mess ;-) > Probably brain damage due to bagpipe proximity, ( you couldn't hear your conscience telling you no.) But congratulations anyway. As for a name perhaps, "the AntiChrisDow" or perhaps even "Harvey Wallhanger" . Certainly, the only Rover in California with a documented climb angle of 90 degrees. Listen to your conscience when you are gazing into the engine bay of that Ford, you really don't want to put that thing in the Series engine bay. Enviously, Zack From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 9 03:07:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4977L032312 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 03:07:21 -0400 X-Sender: studios@cwnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Michael Carradine Subject: Re: Black CA Lic. Plates Message-Id: <20000509061014.LNZJ25138.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 23:10:14 -0700 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 10:33 PM 5/8/00, James Howard wrote: > >Out of curiosity, what is the big deal about the black plates? > It's the blue and gold plates that are really desireable for the 1970's cars! ;) Actually, period plates are just one more touch of authenticity (or imitation) of a vehicle's heritage. It shows the era the car was built, and supposedly that it was first sold here in California and has been continually registered and running here since. The best part is, they are not the new reflectorized plates that trip off radar and intersection photo cameras, or ruin your personal flash photos. -Michael From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 9 09:43:20 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e49DhKr32682 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 09:43:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200005091251.FAA09815@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: Black CA Lic. Plates Date: Tue, 9 May 00 05:46:21 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I was doubtful if a 1960 series 2 should have had a black plate from >new, but mine did. So I went to DMV with photos of the truck (front >and rear) and asked for permission to use them. They eventually said >yes and I was set. The black plates started in 1 Jan 1963. As of that day every California car was required to turn in the old plates and get new black plates when it was registered for that year. The series prior to that were gold with black letters. Three letters and three numbers. They basically ran out of combinations by the end of '62 and started all over again with black plates. The series prior to the black plates started in 1956 at which time everyone had to turn in their old plates when regestering. The state used year stickers between '57 & '62 Since the black plates started California has not required a plate return. They just added another digit and moved the sequence of numbers and letters. Bottom line is that a black plate is the earliest "original" plate a California car can have. However, California, in it's quest to receive additional revenue, has a year of manufacture plate program. If the owner of a 1962 or earlier car can scout up a set of plates that are in good condition and have the correct year sticker for the year of car that state can make them the official plates for the car. They charge you the cost of vanity plates and a convrsion fee of course. My TR3A has year of manufacture plates, yellow with black letters. The LR has early historical plates (all numbers and no letters) A major dealer in old California license plates lives in Dixon. His home business is "The License Plate Man" He shows up at major American vintage car swap meets. So it is possible for 1962 and earlier LRs to have license plates of it's original style and not it's original black plates. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 9 09:53:59 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e49Drx832702 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 09:53:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200005091302.GAA10134@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: Now the neighbors are really going to be pissed... Date: Tue, 9 May 00 05:57:06 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >It definitely needs a new motor, from what I was able to glean from >Granny's long term memory it might be a good idea to replace/rebuild the >tranny, What a coincidence. Mathew (Blue 88 at Mendo) has decided he wants more power and is in the early stages of gathering up parts for an engine/ gearbox swap. As of last weekend it looks like he may be going for a 3.9 Buick and LT77. This means he will be wanting to sell a freshly rebuilt 2.25 engine and gearbox. It sounds like it would be in your timeframe. I do not believe Mathew is wired but Nick Baggerly has Mathew's phone number. The two of you might want to ge together. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 9 11:24:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e49FOLl00405 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 11:24:21 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CDB82@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'D90'" , "'LRO'" , "'mendo'" Subject: importing Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 08:31:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just a point of curiosity, but, does anyone know if there is some solid reason WHY we're (USA) allowed to import vehicles over 25 years old? Is there some strong bit of law that supports it, or is it just a customs rule that could be changed on some bureaucratic brain fart? I only ask because, with all the rumblings about older cars being responsible for a disproportionate share of air pollution, and the auto industry lobbying for every bit of legislation they can to force people to buy (lease/rent) more new cars, it seems we're living on borrowed time even being able to bring in old stuff. -Dave G. PS at least in Denver, I heard of a study that indicated that even the "old cars pollute" bit was a crock. They found that even if we ELIMINATED motorized wheeled vehicles, our smog problems wouldn't even begin to decrease. The real problem was all the power plants along the front range, and until the government concentrated on cleaning THOSE up, they should get off the backs of the guys and gals just trying to get to work every day. Unfortunately, once legalized extortion like smog testing and toll roads are in place, they NEVER go away..... From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 9 11:37:23 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e49FbNS00422 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 11:37:23 -0400 Message-ID: <20000509144021.27442.qmail@web703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 07:40:21 -0700 (PDT) From: KC Subject: Rovers Around To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I just returned from back-to-back business trips in Colorado and the Boston area. Saw some Rangies--more older style than new--and occassional Discos. But only a couple Defenders, a 110 in Boston, a SIIA (I think) in Bedfrod, Mass., and a rigged-out Disco w/lift, big tires, and what looked to be SG bumpers and rock guards near Longmont, CO. Suprises me how few Rovers there are in other parts of the US and so many here. The Bay Area must have 1/2 the NAS Rovers. KC -- off to Moab Thurs. for a week of mtn. biking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 9 12:02:57 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e49G2vk00560 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 12:02:57 -0400 Message-ID: <20000509150549.63008.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [158.252.242.98] From: "Lou Weinert" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Exploratory on the Cortinas (NO LR content) Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 08:05:49 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles wrote: > >I finally picked up the two Cortinas this past Saturday!!!!!! > >One is a 1965-66 model (still not sure exactly - but the taillight lenses >are dated 1965) - but lack of paperwork at present keeps me from >confirming exactly. The other one is a '69. The best way to tell is by the body style. The Mk1 Cortinas- up to 1966 are more rounded in design and have distinct rear tail lights which are round and divided into three sections- like early 2002 tailights but bigger. The Mk2- starting in 1967 was more boxy in shape and had square tail lights. Also all Mk1's ran a 1500 pre-crossflow motor (exh. & int. on both sides of the head) whereas all Mk2's after 1968 ran the crossflow 1600 motor- the foundation of Formula Ford. It sounds like your plate is full with these cars and the LR. Here's a link to a great sight in AUS for Cortinas: http://www.pixelmatic.com.au/cortina/ Good luck! Lou Weinert 96 Disco 66 Cortina Mk1 GT currently on jack stands ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 9 12:46:22 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e49GkMe00659 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 12:46:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200005091554.IAA17176@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: importing Date: Tue, 9 May 00 08:49:27 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Just a point of curiosity, but, does anyone know if there is some solid >reason WHY we're (USA) allowed to import vehicles over 25 years old? Is >there some strong bit of law that supports it, or is it just a customs rule >that could be changed on some bureaucratic brain fart? It is a current regulation. I have a link to the official web site that has the regs in the Land Rover links section of my personal web site. It is at the bottom of the page under misc links. http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman AN interesting thing is just because the feds let you import a car the state doesn't have to allow you to register it. Your freshly imported car needs to meet state regulations before it can be registered. A version/year that was never imported into the States may never be registerable in some states because there are no emissions criteria for that model. So Ben S., did you move to Texas just so you can legally register your 101s?? TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 9 12:51:58 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e49Gpwk00677 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 12:51:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200005091600.JAA17438@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: Rovers Around Date: Tue, 9 May 00 08:55:04 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Suprises me how few Rovers there are in other parts of the US and so many >here. The Bay Area must have 1/2 the NAS Rovers. There is one thing that always strikes me when I'm traveling. I very seldom see LRs out in the country more than 100 mi away from prosperous cities with a dealership. But they do seem plentiful in or very near prosperous cities. I guess most end up being commute cars & minivan replacments for soccer moms who feel SUVs are safer in accidents. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 9 13:21:23 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e49HLNr00716 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 13:21:23 -0400 X-Sender: studios@cwnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Michael Carradine Subject: Re: importing Message-Id: <20000509162422.WVCT25138.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 09:24:23 -0700 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 08:31 AM 5/9/00 -0600, Dave G wrote: :Just a point of curiosity, but, does anyone know if there is some solid :reason WHY we're (USA) allowed to import vehicles over 25 years old? :Is there some strong bit of law that supports it, or is it just a :customs rule that could be changed on some bureaucratic brain fart? - Customs, DOT and EPA act on the direction of Congress. Congress decided to impose DOT and EPA regs for model years up to 25 years and 21 years old respectively. So, It's not that "we're allowed to import vehicles over 25 years old", instead we are not allowed to import vehicles under 25 years old unless they meet DOT and EPA requirements. - It is amazing to realize that a vehicle that is deemed unsafe on US roads and highways when new or up to 25 years old, suddenly becomes safe to import and drive after aging 25 years. It must be the beneficial effect of wear, rust, corrosion, and lack of maintenance on a poorly designed new vehicle. - In their wisdom, Canada follows the same logic and imposes the same restrictions on importation... up to a point. They have a 15 year rule from actual the day of manufacture. - :PS at least in Denver, I heard of a study that indicated that even :the "old cars pollute" bit was a crock. They found that even if we :ELIMINATED motorized wheeled vehicles, our smog problems wouldn't :even begin to decrease. The real problem was all the power plants :along the front range, and until the government concentrated on :cleaning THOSE up, they should get off the backs of the guys and :gals just trying to get to work every day. Unfortunately, once :legalized extortion like smog testing and toll roads are in place, :they NEVER go away..... - Agreed! - It would be more beneficial to use the money spent to improve a US market 95% non-polluting car to a 98% non-polluting car were used to manufacture 50% non-polluting cars in the rest of the world where cars are 0% non-polluting. After all, it's all the same air that comes around the planet every few weeks. This would simply be the implementation of technology that we already have and putting it into world wide production. Of course, the drawback is a few unemployed US bureucrats currently involved in empire building. - - Michael - '89 RR w/ catalyzers From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 9 14:24:47 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e49IOlO00774 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 14:24:47 -0400 Message-ID: <20000509172741.21610.qmail@web702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 10:27:41 -0700 (PDT) From: KC Subject: Re: Rovers Around To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Oh Yeah, forgot to add that I also saw a Mog in Broomfield, CO. Couldn't tell more since it was moving away fast and I don't know mogs very well. KC --- KC wrote: > I just returned from back-to-back business trips in Colorado and the > Boston > area. Saw some Rangies--more older style than new--and occassional Discos. > But only a couple Defenders, a 110 in Boston, a SIIA (I think) in Bedfrod, > Mass., and a rigged-out Disco w/lift, big tires, and what looked to be SG > bumpers and rock guards near Longmont, CO. > > Suprises me how few Rovers there are in other parts of the US and so many > here. The Bay Area must have 1/2 the NAS Rovers. > KC -- off to Moab Thurs. for a week of mtn. biking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 9 15:00:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e49J0Pr00825 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 15:00:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200005091803.LAA12667@scv3.apple.com> Subject: Re: Rovers Around Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 11:03:12 -0700 x-sender: Peterson@mail.mac.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Bob Peterson To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >There is one thing that always strikes me when I'm traveling. I very >seldom see LRs out in the country more than 100 mi away from prosperous >cities with a dealership. But they do seem plentiful in or very near >prosperous cities. TA - I've noticed the same. I don't believe it is possible to successfully (meaning regularly) operate ANY new LR vehicle more than 100-200 miles away from the nearest testbook during at least the first few years of operation. Maybe Ford can fix that, but wacky e-glitches seem to continue to seem to prevail for now. Certainly the amount of e-gadgetry in Rovers has gone up almost exponentially for the past few years. And the software control of those widgets has increased in parallel. In their brochure touting the Disco Series II, LR suggested that there's now so much computing going on inside of a LR that they had to actually install a LAN within the vehicle's electrical backbone to handle all of the data flow. Until the Ford final excorcism of the Price and his minions, LR's will be wholly dependent on the "Good British Plugs*" of the nearest testbook to read and reset all of the convenient error messages and backup modes. Unless something recently has been added in LR's dealer network, I can't imagine operating a new LR in, for example, Medford, Oregon without contemplating some long tows or at least frustrating drives up and down I-5 to Portland/Eugene or Sacto to keep the $30K to $50K truck running. regards, BP A guy whoose instrument binnacle sometimes resembles a Christmas tree (with random fault indicator lights) even out of the holiday season. This week's is the ABS. *Good British Plugs: incredibly vague reference to Dr. Foot in the movie "Help" as he described the reasons for his multiple brain-drain induced electrical failings to his assistant, Algernon. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 9 15:30:43 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e49JUhe00889 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 15:30:43 -0400 Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 11:07:57 -0700 From: John Kieckhefer Subject: wing top mirror To: "Mendo Recce (E-mail)" Message-id: <001701bfb9e1$817630d0$0a01000a@john> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Lost the Mirror head for one of my round wingtop mirrors at mendo.... does anyone have a spare that they would like to sell me ?? (it must have convex / fisheye glass.) JK From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 9 15:38:33 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e49JcX200920 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 15:38:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200005091846.LAA27873@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: Rovers Around Date: Tue, 9 May 00 11:41:34 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I don't believe it is possible to successfully (meaning regularly) >operate ANY new LR vehicle more than 100-200 miles away from the nearest >testbook during at least the first few years of operation. that does not explain the lack of series rigs and older US coilers out in the country. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 9 15:43:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e49Jh4w00993 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 15:43:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 11:27:22 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: mendo rec list Subject: Re: Rovers Around In-Reply-To: <200005091846.LAA27873@blackie.cruzers.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have seen Rovers every time I have visited southern Utah and the Navajo Reservation. > 400 miles from the nearest dealer. On Tue, 9 May 2000, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > >I don't believe it is possible to successfully (meaning regularly) > >operate ANY new LR vehicle more than 100-200 miles away from the nearest > >testbook during at least the first few years of operation. > > that does not explain the lack of series rigs and older US coilers out in > the country. > > > TeriAnn > http://www.overlander.net > > The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners > with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 9 16:49:20 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e49KnKm01105 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 16:49:20 -0400 Message-ID: <39186C3F.70CF1056@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 12:51:27 -0700 From: "Franklin H. Yap" X-Sender: "Franklin H. Yap" <@mail.earthlink.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-FLASHNET (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Rovers Around References: <20000509172741.21610.qmail@web702.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Spotted yesterday afternoon at MacArthur turning north on Telegraph in Oakland, a clean S3 88 metal grill (?) bronze green white hard top, possibly fresh paint (only detraction was the white lettering on the tyres). A nice looking vehicle. Anyone on the list? Frank From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 9 17:22:44 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e49LMic01146 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 17:22:44 -0400 Message-ID: <003601bfb9f4$c69a8f40$b6e0e2cd@us.superscape.com> From: "Peter Brophy" To: "mendo_recce" Subject: An introduction... Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 13:25:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 X-Info: Superscape, Inc. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi all, Have been reading the list for a few days and thought I'd just introduce myself. Peter Brophy's the name. Came over from Blighty 2 years ago and now just arrived from South Florida. I've got a recently acquired IIa thats...err...a little rough around the edges but mechanically she's pretty solid and really everything is stock. I'm a rookie in the mechanical department but hoping to get stuck in. I also haven't done any off roading but would like to get involved though not looking to put it to the limits considering cost (I'm married !), need to work on it to get it in to ship shape and it being a daily driver. Anyway, there you have it - hopefully haven't committed any faux pas and will chat to you guys later... Cheers, Peter '67 SIIa 88 Hamish From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 9 17:35:47 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e49LZlj01187 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 17:35:47 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CDB90@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: An introduction... Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 14:43:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well met and welcome, Peter! Are you in the Sacto/Bay area? If so you are among a great bunch there. Lots of good Mendoites in the LA area too. Just me and Tom Joyner out here holding down the "Eastern Front" in Colorado. :^) Give a shout if you get out this way, and best of luck with the IIA. -Dave G. "71" IIA 109" diesel SW From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 9 18:07:15 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e49M7FR01229 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 18:07:15 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 13:51:34 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: Mendo list Subject: Rover bought for 10# Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rover was bought for ten pounds today: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_741000/741701.stm From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 9 18:39:19 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e49MdJd01325 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 18:39:19 -0400 Message-ID: <006a01bfb9fd$c7734cf0$b6e0e2cd@us.superscape.com> From: "Peter Brophy" To: References: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CDB90@RCEXS2> Subject: Re: An introduction... Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 14:30:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 X-Info: Superscape, Inc. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Dave, I am indeed in the Bay Area, Santa Clara to be precise - should've mentioned it! Actually I didn't realise this list reached out so far - thought it was just a NorCal thing. Drove through Colorado on the way over and what can I say? - you guys are just plain spoiled! Cheers, Peter '67 SIIa 88 Hamish > Well met and welcome, Peter! > > Are you in the Sacto/Bay area? If so you are among a great bunch there. > Lots of good Mendoites in the LA area too. Just me and Tom Joyner out here > holding down the "Eastern Front" in Colorado. :^) Give a shout if you get > out this way, and best of luck with the IIA. > > -Dave G. > "71" IIA 109" diesel SW From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 9 18:51:42 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e49MpgW01361 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 18:51:42 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CDB93@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: An introduction... Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 15:59:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...you guys are just plain spoiled!...." Too true, but I love the variety of California too. I get my desert fix in the Mojave a couple times a year. This year's Joe Lucas NAR was my first experience with Mendocino national forest. Just spectacular. I love the Sierras too and have to get back there at least once a year to some place like the Kern River drainage or Mineral King. Not to mention all the great friends I've made with folks from this list. You are doubly blessed with wonderful terrain, and wonderful people to enjoy it with there in the bay area. Hope to make your acquaintance one of these days. -Dave G. PS - The mendo list IS a No. Cal. thing. There are a few of us bad pennies that won't go away, though! :^) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 9 20:13:44 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4A0DiW01572 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 20:13:44 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 198.83.128.2 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: Re: Re: Rovers Around From: "msandcdg@mail.slip.net" Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 19:16:43 -0400 To: "mendo_recce@fourfold.org" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-Id: <200005091916830.SM00195@charon.mail2web.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by guinness.ovlr.org id e4A0Dhw01570 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have seen it too, on 7th st. It has the grill over the headlights. It is nice one. Mehdi Original Message: ----------------- From: Franklin H. Yap FHYap@earthlink.net Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 12:51:27 -0700 Subject: Re: Rovers Around Spotted yesterday afternoon at MacArthur turning north on Telegraph in Oakland, a clean S3 88 metal grill (?) bronze green white hard top, possibly fresh paint (only detraction was the white lettering on the tyres). A nice looking vehicle. Anyone on the list? Frank ------------------------------------------------------------------- This message has been posted from Mail2Web http://www.mail2web.com/ Web Hosting for $9.95 per month! Visit: http://www.yourhosting.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 9 20:17:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4A0Hbi01586 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 20:17:37 -0400 Date: 9 May 2000 16:20:31 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org X-Sender: web79245@dreamlab.cc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: An introduction... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave writes... >PS - The mendo list IS a No. Cal. thing. There are a few of us bad pennies >that won't go away, though! :^) I guess with all of the California transplants to Oregon, it's safe to say that Oregon might either be a colony of No. Cal. or a partly-owned subsidiary. Either way, there are one or two of us up here as well. A revised member list would be interesting to see. :) Welcome to THE list (the only one AFAIC). Later, Michael Slade Portland, Oregon www.DreamLab.cc From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 9 21:37:55 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4A1btI01732 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 21:37:55 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 17:22:12 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: Mendo list Subject: Power losses Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have a geartrain power loss question. What percentage of power is lost in a Series Land Rover geratrain. Or, what is the power at the wheel vs. the power at the flywheel? James From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 9 22:05:05 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4A255O01791 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 22:05:05 -0400 Message-ID: <000901bfba1c$21992b00$bb4c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Pete Hope" To: References: <200005090531.WAA12908@proxy4.ba.best.com> Subject: The rover sickness Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 15:07:37 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Counselors are standing by now awaiting your call, They are trained > in dealing with this sickness! > We have been visited by a number of Rover lovers in the past year. After one such meeting, my wife commented that she was very surprised at how much these other people were like me, non stop talking about all things Rover. I said that maybe that would be a good thing for her to look into (she's a psychologist), a 12 step program to treat Rover fanatics. She said it wouldn't work, as "none of you want to be cured" Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 9 22:15:02 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4A2F2R01810 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 22:15:02 -0400 Message-ID: <008501bfba1d$842fb440$bb4c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Pete Hope" To: References: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CDB93@RCEXS2> Subject: Re: An introduction... Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 15:17:32 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > PS - The mendo list IS a No. Cal. thing. There are a few of us bad pennies > that won't go away, though! :^) > Uhhh, so does that mean that the 2 Island Petes shouldn't be here ;-) the "Concrete Isle" Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 9 23:02:34 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4A32Ye02042 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 23:02:34 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 19:02:36 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: john hess Subject: Fwd: elephant hide Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1254198337==_ma============" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --============_-1254198337==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" dang, email can have some real surprises. >From: "carol" >To: >Subject: elephant hide >Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 21:56:30 -0400 >X-Priority: 3 >Status: > >Hi, > > Maybe you can help me ? Do you have a picture of what the hide >would look like. I have a old suitcase and believe it may be >elephant hide. l sure could use some help. > > Thanks & God Bless, > > Carol John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" --============_-1254198337==_ma============ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" dang, email can have some real surprises. From: "carol" < To: < Subject: elephant hide Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 21:56:30 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Status: Hi, Maybe you can help me ? Do you have a picture of what the hide would look like. I have a old suitcase and believe it may be elephant hide. l sure could use some help. Thanks & God Bless, Carol John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" --============_-1254198337==_ma============-- From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 9 23:11:03 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4A3B3602068 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 23:11:03 -0400 Message-ID: <3918C691.DF8C6187@home.com> Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 19:16:49 -0700 From: Fil Figueroa Organization: Empty Wallet Foundation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: An introduction... References: <003601bfb9f4$c69a8f40$b6e0e2cd@us.superscape.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Peter, welcome to the list cheers, Fil Fremont From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 10 10:22:23 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4AEMNN03466 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 May 2000 10:22:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200005101330.GAA15866@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: An introduction... Date: Wed, 10 May 00 06:25:27 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Have been reading the list for a few days and thought I'd just >introduce myself. Peter Brophy's the name. Came over from >Blighty 2 years ago and now just arrived from South Florida. Where is here?? e-space is a big place. >I'm a rookie in the mechanical department I was too back in '78 when I bought my LR. Amazing how much mechanics a LR will teach you if you do not have a mechanic you trust close by. Welcome Peter TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 10 10:50:09 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4AEo9M03528 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 May 2000 10:50:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200005101358.GAA16744@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: Rover bought for 10# Date: Wed, 10 May 00 06:53:14 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" , "British cars list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Rover was bought for ten pounds today: I think it was Rover automobiles PLUS several million pounds for ten pounds. That was one heck of a deal. If it were me I would immediatly issue each employee a bunch of stock and add a decent profit sharing plan then tell them the stock and profit sharing will be as good as each individual makes it. Then I would empower the rank and file to make real improvments to their jobs and the products. But since it is British owned again, I assume that there will be "well bred" gentlemen at the helm who feel that the late Victorian age managment style is a bit too avant garde. And that there will be lots of workers who firmly believe managment couldn't tell a spanner from a connecting rod and respond by doing the poorest work that they can do. All in the finest British auto industry tradition. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 10 11:17:05 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4AFH5r03611 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 May 2000 11:17:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200005101425.HAA17774@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: The rover sickness Date: Wed, 10 May 00 07:20:10 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I >said that maybe that would be a good thing for her to look into (she's a >psychologist), a 12 step program to treat Rover fanatics. She said it >wouldn't work, as "none of you want to be cured" Hmm the only thing I want to be cured of is the broken nails, grease smears everywhere and the twigs and dirt that get in my hair when I'm under the car. I like the driving and camping part. Now that I think of it, my dislike for actually working on them is probably balancing my love of them and keeping me down to one Land Rover. If I had a Land Rover mechanic/fabricator on staff I would probably have four or five .... er seven or eight various Landies. The thought of trying to maintain one more is down right frightening to me. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 10 12:42:40 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4AGgeQ04058 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 May 2000 12:42:40 -0400 Message-ID: <20000510154557.10983.qmail@web704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 08:45:57 -0700 (PDT) From: KC Subject: Re: importing-vehicle vs. power plant emissions To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- "Gomes, David" wrote: > cars pollute" bit was a crock. They found that even if we ELIMINATED > motorized wheeled vehicles, our smog problems wouldn't even begin to > decrease. The real problem was all the power plants along the front > range, Dave, you bring up some valid arguments. I'll add a little for what I know. Electric generation in the US creates 70-80% of the air pollution, and it's about the same worldwide, although lesser in countries like France w/extensive nuclear generation. So, more wind, geothermal, and solar power generation would do a lot to help clean the air. Pollution controls very similar to those on our cars have been required on coal, natural gas, and fossil fuel plants for about 20 years, and do reduce emissions significantly. Yet, the EPA is stuck b/w big money lobbyists, politicians, and a lack of enforcement bite to keep them all as clean as required by law. Vehicles create most of the remaining air pollution, and pollution controls such as cat. converters have done a tremedous amount to decrease tailpipe emissions, especially NOx and SO2, which creates acid rain. I don't know the stats clearly, but new cars emit roughly <1/4 the tail pipe emissions of those 20 years old. All major US cities have cleaner air now than 10 years ago. Side note: some national parks have worse air b/c of increased vehicle traffic. Politically, it is easier for you and I to pay for tailpipe emission reductions b/c big energy company lobbyists buy off OUR politicians. Much the same reason why MTBE was added to our gas even though it has never proved to reduce air pollution, yet reduces gas mileage by about 1+ mpg. My plug: it takes roughly 50 years for the pollution we create today to reach our upper atmosphere, i.e. ozone layer. So, keep those vehicles running well, limit trips, ... you know the rest...and plug your congress with your thoughts. They either hear from us or lobbyists, it's our call. OK, off my banter KC Mares __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 10 12:45:36 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4AGjam04118 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 May 2000 12:45:36 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 08:48:13 -0700 From: "Kerr, Paul AAF:EX" Subject: RE: Rover bought for 10# To: "'TeriAnn Wakeman'" , mendo rec list , British cars list Message-id: <5FB195A31D3DD311A66D0008C791400602C2F272@sunshine.gov.bc.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Terri-Anne - I think your image of the British car worker is about 20-30 years out of date. I'm not sure about your view of management though. What I've found interesting in all this is the criticism that has been levelled at Tony Blair and his government for not doing enough to help keep this last piece of the volume British car industry alive. How times have changed. Once upon a time a Labour government would have nationalised (or renationalised)and poured millions into the British auto industry at the drop of a spanner. -----Original Message----- From: TeriAnn Wakeman [mailto:twakeman@cruzers.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 6:53 AM To: mendo rec list; British cars list Subject: Re: Rover bought for 10# >Rover was bought for ten pounds today: I think it was Rover automobiles PLUS several million pounds for ten pounds. That was one heck of a deal. If it were me I would immediatly issue each employee a bunch of stock and add a decent profit sharing plan then tell them the stock and profit sharing will be as good as each individual makes it. Then I would empower the rank and file to make real improvments to their jobs and the products. But since it is British owned again, I assume that there will be "well bred" gentlemen at the helm who feel that the late Victorian age managment style is a bit too avant garde. And that there will be lots of workers who firmly believe managment couldn't tell a spanner from a connecting rod and respond by doing the poorest work that they can do. All in the finest British auto industry tradition. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 10 12:49:26 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4AGnQ004155 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 May 2000 12:49:26 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CDB9B@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo'" Subject: Nuts & Pix Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:56:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was making some updates to the FAQ on the D-90 Source last night and as I was checking my work I noticed that one of the vendors is running a 25% off special on Quick Nuts, those extended thumbscrew/nuts that allow easier removal of the defender door tops. When I was riding with Blair at Mendo he mentioned he wanted to try them on a series. Now might be the time to figure it out and buy if it works. If you're out there, Blair, I have your cover shot for the newsletter. Only trouble is the goons that developed them forgot to put them on the CD. I'll get the electonic copies made and send you some ASAP. Do you need B&W? I can translate in Photoshop if you do. Let me know what format/resolution you want, and where to send them. I'll get them up on a website soon too. -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 10 12:51:55 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4AGpts04180 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 May 2000 12:51:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200005101651.e4AGpsw04175@guinness.ovlr.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: An introduction... In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 09 May 2000 15:59:30 MDT." <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CDB93@RCEXS2> Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 12:51:54 -0400 From: Benjamin Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CDB93@RCEXS2>you write: > PS - The mendo list IS a No. Cal. thing. There are a few of us bad pennies > that won't go away, though! :^) Not so. Orininally the list was created to facilitate oranizing a single scouting trip. Then retained for organizing the first mendo. Then retained permanently. Whereas a majority of the list members are from the Bay Area, the intent of the list is to (mostly) be a west coast US email lists. There are contingents from Southern California, Arizona, Oregon, Washington, British Columbia, Colorado. And there are people on the list (or at least have been on the list) from Montana, Alabama, Texas, the UK, Hawaii, and the Phillipines. There are no geographical restrictions on who can be on the lists. Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 10 12:57:28 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4AGvS104235 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 May 2000 12:57:28 -0400 From: "Paul Archibald" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org X-CC-Sender: paarch@jps.net Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 16:00:15 GMT Subject: Re: The rover sickness X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <3919878f.7046.0@jps.net> X-User-Info: 216.49.48.59 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TW wrote: > If I had a Land Rover mechanic/fabricator on staff I would probably have >four or five .... er seven or eight various Landies. The thought of >trying to maintain one more is down right frightening to me. Maintain? We're supposed to maintain them? I thought they were self-maintained. No wonder I can't get them to run .... ;-( ...better get out there and start working on 'em again.... Gotta get that frame-horn finished welded/front parabolics installed and get back to driving Elgie! He MUST be all ready by memorial day to go out an' play! Paul (and just when the audi starts acting up...) I can't even go out and sit in them since the african is the flintstone-mobile right now and Elgie is half up on jack stands... From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 10 13:09:58 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4AH9wg04335 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 May 2000 13:09:58 -0400 From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: water pump Q Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:14:58 -0700 Message-ID: <005601bfba9a$e39e5e40$ae051fd1@BlairPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Pershing (IIA 2.25l 109) has a small coolant leak around the shaft of the water pump. Upon closer examination (hand cranked motor over, used inspection mirror) I'm pretty sure that the coolant is coming out the hole where the shaft seal set screw/bolt(?) should be(?). The threads in the housing look kinda clean, so I think the bolt fell out (as opposed to the newer pumps/rebuild kits which I understand still have the hole but not the bolt?). Must've been those whoopdedoos coming down Potato Hill... Anyhow, any ideas? Could that be it-- replace the bolt, stop the leak instead of r&r the pump? I suspect the bolt is unobtainium-- anyone have one or venture to guess the size/threads? Tks much, Blair Ben M: congrats-- once you build up that pile-o-parts the MendoNF trails will seem like you've never run them before! Chris D: congrats too-- only 109 and 101 left to round out your wheelbase suite (okay, I guess 80, 86, 127, 130 too-- to J**p with the neighbors) Peter/Hamish: welcome to Mendo. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 10 13:55:34 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4AHtYe04508 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 May 2000 13:55:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 10:09:11 -0800 From: "gpool" X-Mailer: EMURL 2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benjamin Smith , mendo_recce@fourfold.org, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Re: An introduction... Message-ID: <0510100100911.0.10164549@nt-1.pacific.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ben Smith wrote: :> And there are people on the list (or at least have been on the list) :> from Montana, Alabama, Texas, the UK, Hawaii, and the Phillipines. And a number of other places. Perhaps BC and Alaska were already mentioned. At least two, maybe three at various times from Georgia and one who moved from So. Cal. to Michigan or Minnesota or some such and stayed on the list for a while. We do get around! Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 10 15:08:18 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4AJ8Ir04680 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 May 2000 15:08:18 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000510110728.007b3d60@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:07:28 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: water pump Q In-Reply-To: <005601bfba9a$e39e5e40$ae051fd1@BlairPC> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Blair, I'm sure I could come up with the bolt as I have 4 or 5 or 6 water pumps. But The bolt lives up top and the hole in the bottom is there to allow seepage past the seal to get out. When the seal is dry for long periods, it may seep for a bit, but if it keeps leaking, it needs to be replaced. I "think the seal is a ceramic type of thing similar to swimming pool pumps, not like a leather or rubber seal on the axles. If you really are missing the bolt, I will be removing one shortly and seeing if it relates to a US bolt. I'm quite sure it will. Probably something like 1/4 x 20 - 1/2"long, or 1/4 x28. Also if you really are missing the bolt, the bushing inside was held in place by it and if the bushing has moved or rotated, it probably won't go back in easily. Bob B At 09:14 AM 5/10/2000 -0700, you wrote: >Pershing (IIA 2.25l 109) has a small coolant leak around the shaft of the >water pump. Upon closer examination (hand cranked motor over, used >inspection mirror) I'm pretty sure that the coolant is coming out the hole >where the shaft seal set screw/bolt(?) should be(?). > >The threads in the housing look kinda clean, so I think the bolt fell out >(as opposed to the newer pumps/rebuild kits which I understand still have >the hole but not the bolt?). Must've been those whoopdedoos coming down >Potato Hill... > >Anyhow, any ideas? Could that be it-- replace the bolt, stop the leak >instead of r&r the pump? I suspect the bolt is unobtainium-- anyone have >one or venture to guess the size/threads? > >Tks much, >Blair > >Ben M: congrats-- once you build up that pile-o-parts the MendoNF trails >will seem like you've never run them before! >Chris D: congrats too-- only 109 and 101 left to round out your wheelbase >suite (okay, I guess 80, 86, 127, 130 >too-- to J**p with the neighbors) >Peter/Hamish: welcome to Mendo. > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 10 15:53:49 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4AJrnx04741 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 May 2000 15:53:49 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000510115544.007b6c00@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:55:44 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: water pump Q In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000510110728.007b3d60@mail.saber.net> References: <005601bfba9a$e39e5e40$ae051fd1@BlairPC> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well isn't this special! The bolt is 1/2 threads and 1/2 special tip that goesinta the bushing. If you need one let me know. Bob B At 11:07 AM 5/10/2000 -0700, I wrote: >Blair, > >I'm sure I could come up with the bolt as I have 4 or 5 or 6 water pumps. >But The bolt lives up top and the hole in the bottom is there to allow >seepage past the seal to get out. >When the seal is dry for long periods, it may seep for a bit, but if it >keeps leaking, it needs to be replaced. >I "think the seal is a ceramic type of thing similar to swimming pool >pumps, not like a leather or rubber seal on the axles. > >If you really are missing the bolt, I will be removing one shortly and >seeing if it relates to a US bolt. I'm quite sure it will. Probably >something like >1/4 x 20 - 1/2"long, or 1/4 x28. > >Also if you really are missing the bolt, the bushing inside was held in >place by it and if the bushing has moved or rotated, it probably won't go >back in easily. > > >Bob B > >At 09:14 AM 5/10/2000 -0700, you wrote: >>Pershing (IIA 2.25l 109) has a small coolant leak around the shaft of the >>water pump. Upon closer examination (hand cranked motor over, used >>inspection mirror) I'm pretty sure that the coolant is coming out the hole >>where the shaft seal set screw/bolt(?) should be(?). >> >>The threads in the housing look kinda clean, so I think the bolt fell out >>(as opposed to the newer pumps/rebuild kits which I understand still have >>the hole but not the bolt?). Must've been those whoopdedoos coming down >>Potato Hill... >> >>Anyhow, any ideas? Could that be it-- replace the bolt, stop the leak >>instead of r&r the pump? I suspect the bolt is unobtainium-- anyone have >>one or venture to guess the size/threads? >> >>Tks much, >>Blair >> >>Ben M: congrats-- once you build up that pile-o-parts the MendoNF trails >>will seem like you've never run them before! >>Chris D: congrats too-- only 109 and 101 left to round out your wheelbase >>suite (okay, I guess 80, 86, 127, 130 >>too-- to J**p with the neighbors) >>Peter/Hamish: welcome to Mendo. >> >> > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 10 17:43:47 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4ALhlr05008 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 May 2000 17:43:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200005102052.NAA11535@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: water pump Q Date: Wed, 10 May 00 13:46:49 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Pershing (IIA 2.25l 109) has a small coolant leak around the shaft of the >water pump. Upon closer examination (hand cranked motor over, used >inspection mirror) I'm pretty sure that the coolant is coming out the hole >where the shaft seal set screw/bolt(?) should be(?). Sorry that is actually adrain hole if the seal goers bad. You have a bad water pump seal. Need to buy a new water pump or a pump rebuilding kit. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 10 18:38:42 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4AMcgN05118 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 May 2000 18:38:42 -0400 Message-ID: <006901bfbac8$ba49fda0$1737883e@admin1> From: "TFGTV Scotland" To: "TeriAnn Wakeman" , "mendo rec list" , "British cars list" References: <200005101358.GAA16744@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: Rover bought for 10# Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 22:34:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > But since it is British owned again, I assume that there will be "well > bred" gentlemen at the helm who feel that the late Victorian age > managment style is a bit too avant garde. And that there will be lots of > workers who firmly believe managment couldn't tell a spanner from a > connecting rod and respond by doing the poorest work that they can do. > All in the finest British auto industry tradition. I think you may well be proved wrong.... From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 10 23:05:17 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4B35H905487 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 May 2000 23:05:17 -0400 Message-ID: <391A1563.854F0154@thelen.org> Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 19:05:23 -0700 From: Philip Johnston X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo Subject: 94 Rangie and the Daunting task of Service Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well now I am into it, I bought the 94 Rangie SWB with the Air and all the doodads, (and I thought my 79 BMW had lots of moving parts!!). Well I am planning to do the servicing for the 67,500, 75,000, and 82,000 mile servicing, is there any issues I should be looking for, and money saving tactics. All input is welcome, positive and negative would be even more helpful. I will post the list of Items I plan on servicing within a couple of days. Philip(Dow's step son) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu May 11 01:44:55 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4B5it306336 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 May 2000 01:44:55 -0400 From: Gbrovers@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 00:47:41 EDT Subject: Re: An introduction... To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Don't forget us Utah folks. Bill Great Basin Rovers SLC, UT From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu May 11 01:56:41 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4B5ufG06356 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 May 2000 01:56:41 -0400 From: LRDino@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 00:59:26 EDT Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #138 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 106 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Any good ideas on how to hard mount my RadioShack CB unit in the Disco? Right now it sits in the cubby hole runninng off of the lighter. Is it a good/bad idea to run those new Michelins XPC 235/70R-16's front with a pair of BFG AT 235/70R-16's in the rear. The Belstein shocks gave me an inch more clearance, but I need to install the Old Man Emu Heavy Duty springs to gain another inch of clearance. Dino From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu May 11 02:09:10 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4B69AV06376 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 May 2000 02:09:10 -0400 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: <94.4344c41.264b9b20@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 01:12:00 EDT Subject: Re: An introduction... To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 5/10/00 10:01:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, gpool@pacific.pacific.net writes: > We do get around! So... Mendo is a state of mind, even more than other places. Zack From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu May 11 02:20:02 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4B6K2C06394 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 May 2000 02:20:02 -0400 Date: 10 May 2000 22:22:54 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org X-Sender: web79245@dreamlab.cc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: An introduction... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >In a message dated 5/10/00 10:01:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >gpool@pacific.pacific.net writes: > >> We do get around! >So... Mendo is a state of mind, even more than other places. >Zack Well said! OOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMM........(sitting down crosslegged)...... Michael Slade Portland, Oregon www.DreamLab.cc From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu May 11 02:20:50 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4B6Koj06406 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 May 2000 02:20:50 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000510221926.006dd7cc@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 22:19:26 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Series LRs FS--Sonoma County In-Reply-To: <391A1563.854F0154@thelen.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org These in Sunday's Santa Rosa Press Democrat (sorry I couldn't remember to post this sooner!): 1963 Land-Rover 2-door jeep. Needs TLC. $2,500. (707) 528-2715. 1963 Land-Rover (British). SWB, set up for Chevy V-8 no engine. $900 (707) 664-1427. The first number is in Santa Rosa and is a new ad, as far as I know. The second is in Petaluma and has been in the paper for a month or more. Funny thing is that I was in Petaluma then and called about it. The guy who answered the phone said that it was sold. Apparently he got that wrong or he surely would run the ad another month! Must be a special on '63 models this month. Happy hunting, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu May 11 16:12:15 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4BKCFe07440 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 May 2000 16:12:15 -0400 Message-ID: <391B0780.95AE9A9A@wenet.net> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 12:18:24 -0700 From: "Bruce R. Bonar" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mendo_recce@fourfold.org" Subject: USFS Roadless Poll on MSNBC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Donald C. Amador, 112531,1311 TO: "Amador", INTERNET:brdon_a@sharetrails.org DATE: 5/9/00 7:34 PM RE: Copy of: VOTE on MSNBC "Roadless" Poll Dear Multiple-Use Recreation and Resource Interests, It never fails...the polls continue. MSNBC has a poll going today regarding Clinton's Roadless Proposal. Please VOTE that the proposal goes too far. Believe me..it does! Please FWD to your own email networks. http://www.msnbc.com/news/377104.asp#BODY Thanks, Don Amador, BRC From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu May 11 17:39:16 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4BLdGl07763 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 May 2000 17:39:16 -0400 From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: pumps and pics Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 13:44:17 -0700 Message-ID: <002d01bfbb89$ad7e1c20$ae051fd1@BlairPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks for the clarification, Bob B. TAW: I concur with yr diagnosis. The rebuild route sounds kinda hairy because of having the press on the ceramic seal, etc. Who's BTDT that can shed some light/advice? (I have both a vintage rebuild kit and pump at my immediate disposal). Tks. Dave Gomes: would love to see the pics. The intrepid NCRC Newsletter editors can adv on the best format, I've sent them JPGs in the past (Ben M and Leslie Dow). Glad you enjoyed MNF-- it was great having you on board! Cheers. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu May 11 17:55:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4BLt8o07785 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 May 2000 17:55:08 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CDBB3@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: pumps and pics Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 15:01:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ".....The rebuild route sounds kinda hairy because of having the press on the ceramic seal....." Going from memory, I thought the shaft, bearings and seals in the WP rebuild kit I have were already in one piece.....could be wrong, I'll have to check the shelf when I get home. I should have the pix back from scanning on Monday. There's a nice one (don't know the place name, top of the ridge after where we were supposed to clear trail) in vertical format peering between 3 clustered leafers to see Bubba coming over the hill in the background. about 1/3 blue sky at the top for writing/title/whatever. Also some good ones of folks conferring over maps, (you, Rob, C. Dow), and of negotiating the tight switchback. Anyway, you'll see. Hopefully up Monday eve. -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu May 11 18:13:36 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4BMDaJ07818 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 May 2000 18:13:36 -0400 Message-ID: <16D03631929FD311BC5D009027D0CBB2175806@vegmail.ucdavis.edu> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mendo and RR stuff/Regent Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 14:22:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I know I have been quiet for about two weeks, but that is because when I got back from Mendo I came down with a really bad flu, and am now just recovering. During my time off I managed to get down to BP and pick up the RR LWB roof rack(one of a kind), which is very cool... Cynthia and I had a blast at Mendo. Saturday was a great trail ride with all series vehicles. This was the first mendo in a while where series trucks dominated. We went out with Blair (109) his friend, can't remember his name(109), nick, I think, (88) and David B, and Brig in Bubba. It was a great group and we had lotsa fun. Sun., Brig, Bruce & Steph, and Myself went out M5 through Hough springs(or something like that), and some meadow for lunch. The trail ended with a very nice river crossing that felt great to dunk my head in. Again, a great trip. Regent is about to get all new wires. I have a nice harness from Painless wiring with a new fuse box, plus their new Computer controled battery manager for a dual battery setup, so Regent will be off the road for a while. -Rob From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu May 11 18:33:40 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4BMXe107847 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 May 2000 18:33:40 -0400 Message-ID: <20000511213625.24177.qmail@web703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 14:36:25 -0700 (PDT) From: KC Subject: Re: An introduction... To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Speaking of Utah, I'm driving out to Moab tonight, stopping to pick someone up at the SLC airport. Going for a week of mtn. biking. Anyone know the aprox. driving time from Oakland to SLC to Moab? KC Mares --- Gbrovers@aol.com wrote: > Don't forget us Utah folks. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu May 11 18:51:56 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4BMpub07876 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 May 2000 18:51:56 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CDBB4@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Oakland to Moab Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 15:58:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Following US 50, figure maybe 15 hrs of driving (that's me in the disco, doing maybe 65 most of the non-mountainous time) based on my experiences doing the route from Sacto (or mendo) to Bailey, CO & back a few times, plus the distance off I-70 to Moab. One of the all time greatest routes in the country, IMHO. But, keep in mind, my wife likes to tell people, "He likes people......just on his own terms." :^) -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu May 11 20:42:24 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4C0gOR08064 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 May 2000 20:42:24 -0400 Message-ID: <20000511234609.20452.qmail@web704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 16:46:09 -0700 (PDT) From: KC Subject: Re: Oakland to Moab To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- "Gomes, David" wrote: > Following US 50, figure maybe 15 hrs of driving (that's me in the disco, > doing maybe 65 most of the non-mountainous time) based on my experiences > doing the route from Sacto (or mendo) to Bailey, CO & back a few times, > plus > the distance off I-70 to Moab. One of the all time greatest routes in the > country, IMHO. But, keep in mind, my wife likes to tell people, "He likes > people......just on his own terms." :^) Cool--thanks Dave. I've driven the 50 part of the way, and it is a great drive. But isn't the 80 all the way to SLC faster? KC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu May 11 22:01:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4C21T608140 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 May 2000 22:01:29 -0400 Message-ID: <391B55D8.5D08985F@thelen.org> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 17:52:42 -0700 From: Leslie Dow Organization: Mine, Not Yours a wholly owned subsidiary of killerdroids.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: pumps and pics References: <002d01bfbb89$ad7e1c20$ae051fd1@BlairPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yes please send them on! Ben and I love all pictures.. and if anyone feels the urge to write up Mendo, please do! thanks! leslie Blair Peterson wrote: > Thanks for the clarification, Bob B. TAW: I concur with yr diagnosis. The > rebuild route sounds kinda hairy because of having the press on the ceramic > seal, etc. Who's BTDT that can shed some light/advice? (I have both a > vintage rebuild kit and pump at my immediate disposal). Tks. > > Dave Gomes: would love to see the pics. The intrepid NCRC Newsletter > editors can adv on the best format, I've sent them JPGs in the past (Ben M > and Leslie Dow). Glad you enjoyed MNF-- it was great having you on board! > > Cheers. -- -- Leslie Johnston-Dow, Ph.D. Sr. Staff Engr. Applied Biosystems ldow@apldbio.com 650-638-5104 From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu May 11 23:55:38 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4C3tc408291 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 May 2000 23:55:38 -0400 Date: 11 May 2000 19:58:24 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org X-Sender: web79245@dreamlab.cc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: An introduction... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Speaking of Utah, I'm driving out to Moab tonight, stopping to pick someone >up at the SLC airport. Going for a week of mtn. biking. Anyone know the >aprox. driving time from Oakland to SLC to Moab? >KC Mares Slc to Moab is about 4 hours. Winnemucca to SLC is about 6-7 hours. I don't know the time from Winnemucca to Oakland. Sorry. :( Have fun! You should look up Dan Mick while you're there. he's the local expert guide who knows all. Michael Slade Portland, Oregon www.DreamLab.cc From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 12 02:03:19 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4C63JW09083 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 May 2000 02:03:19 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mewgull@popd.ix.netcom.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000511234609.20452.qmail@web704.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20000511234609.20452.qmail@web704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 22:03:24 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: "G. Mugele" Subject: Re: Oakland to Moab Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > >Cool--thanks Dave. I've driven the 50 part of the way, and it is a great >drive. But isn't the 80 all the way to SLC faster? >KC Hi, I didn't check with mapquest but as I recall it's about 750 miles to SLC from SF. It's much faster than US 50 and of course much less interesting and not much fun. Except for the bay area to Sacramento part and some of the Sierra climb you'll be able to run at some "reasonable and prudent" speed. So, unless you're in a series truck, you should be able to make it fairly easily in 15 hours or so including fuel and pee breaks. I suggest that you spend a couple days and have fun driving 50... Ely Nevada is a good place to stop for the night. Carry as much water on the bike as you can manage at Moab... you'll be amazed at how fast you drink it all. Cheers, Gerry Mugele -- ("Gooey" '72 Series III 88 and "Peat" '95 D90 SW) *** Therapy is expensive, poppin' bubble wrap is cheap! You choose. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 12 02:57:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4C6vTk09137 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 May 2000 02:57:29 -0400 From: Gbrovers@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 02:00:12 EDT Subject: Re: An introduction... To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org KC 12 hours from Oakland to SLC and 4 hours to Moab - this is assuming you are not driving a Series Rover! Bill GBR From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 12 10:50:15 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4CEoFq09636 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 May 2000 10:50:15 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CDBB5@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Oakland to Moab Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 07:57:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...But isn't the 80 all the way to SLC faster?..." Maybe. Couldn't tell ya as I've never done it. When I have a chance to go that way I'm always looking forward to the point where I can get OFF the interstate...Good old Selina UT (not counting the bizzare stretch of I-5...why is it you can tell they're bound for Vegas, even 300 miles out????) For me, the drive through western UT and NV has become as important and enjoyable a part of the trip as the destination. I'm always disappointed if I reach civilization in Fallon NV too quickly. :^) I swear, one of these days, I'm going to hit Fallon, gas (diesel!) up and turn right back around, just to spend another half a day alone on the road. Actually, if I get the second tank Charles gave me fitted, I won't even have to gas up in Fallon! -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 12 11:15:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4CFF4s09679 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 May 2000 11:15:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200005121423.HAA28157@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: An introduction... Date: Fri, 12 May 00 07:18:04 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >12 hours from Oakland to SLC and 4 hours to Moab - this is assuming you >are not driving a Series Rover! ; Last time I did it in a loaded 109 with four cylinder it was a three day trip. I figured I needed to take a week off work just to spend a day in the four corners area at four cylinder 109 speeds. Of course this was via the "loneliest road in the US" TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 12 22:00:31 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4D20Vu10695 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 May 2000 22:00:31 -0400 To: lro@playground.sun.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 17:55:10 -0700 Subject: Exploratory on Gillian... Message-ID: <20000512.175511.-137667.5.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,5-6,8-9,13-14,16-23 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks: This afternoon I FINALLY had a few minutes to see what was going on with Gillian: I think I figured out why the starter failed...I was removing the positive battery terminal, and found that the terminal wasn't on the battery tight - in fact, it was very loose! So now, the GPU is connected, and hopefully, the starter will have enough juice in the morning. As for the oil leak...I removed the line to the oil pressure gauge, and while I did see some signs of wear on it, I didn't spot any cracks in it...unfortunately, I couldn't see anything wrong with the feed to the cylinder head either. Will know more when I get her fired up again...whenever I have time for that... Charles "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 12 23:48:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4D3mbU10838 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 May 2000 23:48:37 -0400 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: "Mendo" Subject: subscribe Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 19:56:58 -0700 Message-ID: <000201bfbc86$e7471c60$3a05193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org subscribe From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 12 23:59:34 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4D3xYT10854 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 May 2000 23:59:34 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bfbc88$0bc383c0$7500000a@kkelly6788> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Re: Black Plates Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 08:14:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org James Howard wrote: >Out of curiosity, what is the big deal >about the black plates? An old car looks better with an old black plate than the new reflectorized white ones. If you have a vintage tuxedo you will look a lot better with vintage black leather shoes than some new high tech running shoes with reflector strips on them. Kevin Kelly From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 12 23:59:39 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4D3xd710865 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 May 2000 23:59:39 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bfbc88$10d609a0$7500000a@kkelly6788> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Binoculars Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 16:54:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org As I was driving up to Mendo on 505 with the cruise control set at 90mph I was noticing that my eyesight is not as good as it once was. I was thinking I need some binoculars to not only help me see if the Crown Victoria I'm getting closer to on the freeway is a CHP cruiser, but I would also use them out on the trail to see if the vehicles on a distant ridge are Land Rovers or J**ps. I have no idea what kind of binoculars I should get, any recommendations (size and brand) for all around use? I'm more interested in value (bang for the buck) than quality (as a High School yearbook photographer I couldn't tell the difference between the photos I shot with my Nikon lenses vs. the ones with the less expensive Vivitar lenses). Kevin Kelly From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat May 13 00:57:41 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4D4vf711550 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 May 2000 00:57:41 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mewgull@popd.ix.netcom.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000501bfbc88$10d609a0$7500000a@kkelly6788> References: <000501bfbc88$10d609a0$7500000a@kkelly6788> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 20:57:38 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: "G. Mugele" Subject: Re: Binoculars Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kevin Asks: >I have no idea what kind of binoculars I should get, any >recommendations (size and brand) for all around use? I'm >more interested in value (bang for the buck) than quality >(as a High School yearbook photographer I couldn't tell the >difference between the photos I shot with my Nikon lenses >vs. the ones with the less expensive Vivitar lenses). As a semi-professional binocular user I can certainly offer input and will do so directly (off line) unless others request the info for the list. _ / o\_ Gerald Mugele / )-- \ MewGull@ix.netcom.com / | Since electricity is produced by electrons, we might conclude that morality is produced by morons. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat May 13 02:57:45 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4D6vjk11643 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 May 2000 02:57:45 -0400 Message-ID: <391CEF60.DE8F966@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 23:00:00 -0700 From: "Franklin H. Yap" X-Sender: "Franklin H. Yap" <@mail.earthlink.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-FLASHNET (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Binoculars References: <000501bfbc88$10d609a0$7500000a@kkelly6788> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "G. Mugele" wrote: > > > As a semi-professional binocular user I can certainly offer input and > will do so directly (off line) unless others request the info for the > list. > I'm interested. I had a nice Steiner 7x50 Commander that I lost many years ago downtown Oakland. The police officer taking the report said I shouldn't have had anything in the car because it was Xmas and "people" were going shopping. Frank From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat May 13 05:01:03 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4D913n11828 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 May 2000 05:01:03 -0400 Message-ID: <20000513080340.1987.rocketmail@web221.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 01:03:40 -0700 (PDT) From: joe mulqueen Subject: leaf spring article To: mendo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org FYI - to anyone: The June issue of "Offroad" magazine (seen at Fry's) has an article re. installing plastic shims in leaf spring packs....... JFM '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat May 13 10:40:54 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4DEes112090 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 May 2000 10:40:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200005131349.GAA23574@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: leaf spring article Date: Sat, 13 May 00 06:43:51 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >FYI - to anyone: >The June issue of "Offroad" magazine (seen at Fry's) >has an article re. installing plastic shims in leaf >spring packs....... Just as a LR datapoint. I'm real happy with mine except on high speed corners. The car tilts more on corners but it does a much better fob on rough roads. Their effects can even be noticed on washboard roads. The ride on my car got a lot smoother with plastic strips between the major leaves. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat May 13 11:05:39 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4DF5dQ12120 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 May 2000 11:05:39 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000513070730.007b9c00@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 07:07:30 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: TAW Re: leaf spring article In-Reply-To: <200005131349.GAA23574@blackie.cruzers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi TeriAnn, How many strips did you add? I thought you added them between all the leaves. But this sounds like you only did some. Bob B , you wrote: >>FYI - to anyone: >>The June issue of "Offroad" magazine (seen at Fry's) >>has an article re. installing plastic shims in leaf >>spring packs....... > >Just as a LR datapoint. I'm real happy with mine except on high speed >corners. The car tilts more on corners but it does a much better fob on >rough roads. Their effects can even be noticed on washboard roads. The >ride on my car got a lot smoother with plastic strips between the major >leaves. > > >TeriAnn > http://www.overlander.net > > The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners > with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat May 13 11:54:16 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4DFsGN12156 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 May 2000 11:54:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200005131502.IAA25075@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: TAW Re: leaf spring article Date: Sat, 13 May 00 07:57:09 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Hi TeriAnn, >How many strips did you add? I thought you added them between all the leaves. >But this sounds like you only did some. I have plastic strips on the long and middle leaves that have lots of movement but not in the centre bottom short springs that have very little movment. I have the one ton springs. '''run out to the car & look at the front springs'''' The front springs have 11 leaves. I have 7 sheets of plastic between the top and middle leaves. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun May 14 23:04:34 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4F34Yi14944 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 May 2000 23:04:34 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000514180327.007edbf0@shell14.ba.best.com> X-Sender: daniel5@shell14.ba.best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 18:03:30 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Daniel Oppenheim Subject: Fiat Multipla Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org As if owning and trying to keep operating 3 LRs, plus a parts car, and leaving for Botswana/Namibia in 3 weeks isn't enough.....I'm seeking information any of you may have on the Fiat Multipla (circa 1960.) It's an amazing little "mini-van" and I may get me one as a toy. Cheers, Daniel From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 15 03:19:55 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4F7Jtl15896 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 03:19:55 -0400 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: "Mendo" Subject: subscribe Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 23:28:31 -0700 Message-ID: <000601bfbe36$ca2fb9a0$ac05193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All right. I haven't been able to subscribe. What's the deal? Will someone give me the skinny? Thanks, Kelly Minnick From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 15 03:30:30 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4F7UUo15925 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 03:30:30 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000514222958.007e34a0@shell14.ba.best.com> X-Sender: daniel5@shell14.ba.best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 22:30:00 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Daniel Oppenheim Subject: Re: subscribe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org you appear to be subscribed... At 11:28 PM 05/14/2000 -0700, you wrote: >All right. I haven't been able to subscribe. What's the deal? Will someone >give me the skinny? Thanks, > >Kelly Minnick > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 15 03:38:35 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4F7cZ415951 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 03:38:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200005150640.XAA15998@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 23:38:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: subscribe CC: "Kelly Minnick" X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If ya get just one of these youre not s*bs**bed.... anyone, can send to the list (I think), which is why we may "see" your posts.... I think Ben has to do it by hand TomW > From: "Kelly Minnick" > To: "Mendo" > Subject: subscribe > Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 23:28:31 -0700 > Reply-to: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > All right. I haven't been able to subscribe. What's the deal? Will someone > give me the skinny? Thanks, > > Kelly Minnick > > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1652 bumble bee.. LandRovers tomw@best.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 15 10:46:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4FEkRK16655 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 10:46:27 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000515064823.007baaf0@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 06:48:23 -0700 To: kminnick@gte.net From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: subscription info Cc: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Kelly, Here's part of a message Ben sent a while back about subscri bing Bob B So from now on the proper address for the list is: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The old address of mendo_recce@lists.off-road.com will forward to the new list for now. To add or delete yourselves from the list send email to: majordomo@fourfold.org with the following text (the line that is appropriate) in the body of the email. subscribe mendo_recce user@foo.org subscribe mendo_recce-digest user@foo.org unsubscribe mendo_recce user@foo.org unsubscribe mendo_recce-digest user@foo.org (but put replace "user@foo.org" with your email address). Now back you your regularlly scheduled discussions. Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 15 11:41:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4FFf8H16805 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:41:08 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200005150640.XAA15998@proxy4.ba.best.com> References: <200005150640.XAA15998@proxy4.ba.best.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 07:44:25 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: jory bell Subject: oops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org http://www.examiner.com/000514/0514cellphone.html From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 15 12:39:39 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4FGddi17105 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 12:39:39 -0400 From: "Paul Archibald" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 15:42:10 GMT Subject: Re: oops X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <39201ad2.4340.0@jps.net> X-User-Info: 216.49.48.59 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org y'know, it's those damn land-rovers, that's the problem, not the cell phones. Yup! that's it..... ......$7,000 in damage to the police car..... and the Land Rover probasbly just had a dented bumper.. ;-) Paul >http://www.examiner.com/000514/0514cellphone.html > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 15 12:51:32 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4FGpWx17196 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 12:51:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mewgull@popd.ix.netcom.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 08:51:39 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: "G. Mugele" Subject: Protest now or I'll send it to the list... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Frank and TeriAnn have both expressed an interest in knowing more about the binocular assessing process and such. Assuming I'll have tonight I post a LONG document to the Mendo list. If however, anyone feels strongly that people can go to other sites, such as BVD (Better View Desired) and they don't want to see it mixed in with Land Rovers, say so now. _ / o\_ Gerald Mugele / )-- \ MewGull@ix.netcom.com / | Since electricity is produced by electrons, we might conclude that morality is produced by morons. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 15 13:01:57 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4FH1vZ17322 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 13:01:57 -0400 Message-ID: From: Matt Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: New Series three owner Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 09:10:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello, My name is Matt Wilson and I live in Santa Barbara CA. But my mom lives in Willits. I purchased a 73 series three 88" on Friday . "Rusty" was living in Strawberry Arizona. I left Santa Barbara on Thursday with an empty Trailer and returned home Friday night with Rusty. I wanted to stop by British Pacific and show them the truck on my way home. But the traffic was so bad in LA that I could not get there before they closed. So no one that knows anything about Land Rovers has seen Rusty. If anyone is driving through SB I would appreciate any advice on maintaining and restoring this thing. This is my first time owning a land rover and I think I did pretty good. Rusty has no rust! The truck is in great shape. I drove her to work today! She needs seat belts. And the front brake cylinders are leaking pretty bad. I will order a rebuild kit today. Does anyone have some tips on getting seat belts? Also there seems to be a lot of exhaust/engine/oil smell in the cab of the truck while driving. Is this normal? The only boot that is missing is the parking brake boot could all this smell come from one hole? I can't tell if I am suffocating or my cheeks hurt from smiling so much while driving :-) Would it be poor form to post a picture of Rusty here? Regards, Matt Wilson From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 15 13:05:50 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4FH5ob17425 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 13:05:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200005151705.e4FH5ow17422@guinness.ovlr.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New Series three owner In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 15 May 2000 09:10:08 PDT." Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:05:50 -0400 From: Benjamin Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message you write: > Would it be poor form to post a picture of Rusty here? Post the photo on a web site and send the URL to the list please. Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 15 13:10:11 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4FHAB417449 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 13:10:11 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CDBD2@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Protest now or I'll send it to the list... Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:17:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'd like to see your thoughts too, Ger. Post away! -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 15 13:10:11 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4FHABe17445 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 13:10:11 -0400 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:12:46 EDT Subject: Re: New Series three owner To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 77 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 5/15/00 9:09:58 AM US Mountain Standard Time, mattw@di.com writes: << "Rusty" was living in Strawberry Arizona. >> Is Rusty sort of red and white with car tires? Cheers, Gerry From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 15 13:10:55 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4FHAt817467 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 13:10:55 -0400 Message-ID: <392022D9.29920503@wenet.net> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 09:16:25 -0700 From: "Bruce R. Bonar" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Protest now or I'll send it to the list... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Speak Up, the curious want to know! Bruce Bonar '92 Svaworski 8x30 '99 Lieca 10x25 (should I go for 10x42's or 8x42 for the next pair?) "G. Mugele" wrote: > Frank and TeriAnn have both expressed an interest in knowing more > about the binocular assessing process and such. > > Assuming I'll have tonight I post a LONG document to the Mendo list. > If however, anyone feels strongly that people can go to other sites, > such as BVD (Better View Desired) and they don't want to see it mixed > in with Land Rovers, say so now. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 15 13:13:55 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4FHDtm17483 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 13:13:55 -0400 Message-ID: From: Matt Wilson To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: New Series three owner Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 09:22:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org OK I will try and set that up. As you can tell I am pretty excited about this. But I will calm down soon. Matt W -----Original Message----- From: Benjamin Smith [SMTP:bens@guinness.fourfold.org] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 10:06 AM To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New Series three owner In message you write: > Would it be poor form to post a picture of Rusty here? Post the photo on a web site and send the URL to the list please. Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 15 13:15:10 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4FHFAI17494 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 13:15:10 -0400 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:17:43 EDT Subject: Re: oops To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 77 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 5/15/00 9:09:55 AM US Mountain Standard Time, paarch@jps.net writes: << y'know, it's those damn land-rovers, that's the problem, not the cell phones. Yup! that's it..... >> That was the insurance companies first question when I talked to them. Where you or the other driver on a cell phone. I think that in the long run, it won't be the legislature who makes the impact on cellphone use..... it'll be the insurance companies. Cheers, Gerry From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 15 13:24:43 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4FHOhu17532 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 13:24:43 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CDBD5@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: New Series three owner Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:32:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....But I will calm down soon....." Oh, I hope not! My cheeks still hurt after having my 109 over a year, :^) and I'm still just a newbie! You are as lucky as I was to have found this list. The greatest group of folks on the LR internet, IMHO. -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 15 13:43:52 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4FHhqf17600 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 13:43:52 -0400 Message-ID: From: Matt Wilson To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: New Series three owner Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 09:52:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org No light green with lime stone top. And new 15" all terrain tire's. The top has what I thought was a safari top (there is a 1" high section over the whole top. ) but there are no vents coming into the cab. Any thoughts? Matt Wilson Veeco metrology / Digital Instruments Voice: 805-967-2700 XT 322 Fax: 805-967-7701 -----Original Message----- From: GElam30092@aol.com [SMTP:GElam30092@aol.com] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 9:13 AM To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New Series three owner In a message dated 5/15/00 9:09:58 AM US Mountain Standard Time, mattw@di.com writes: << "Rusty" was living in Strawberry Arizona. >> Is Rusty sort of red and white with car tires? Cheers, Gerry From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 15 13:50:05 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4FHo5617634 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 13:50:05 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 11:52:45 -0500 From: esimpson@acesag.auburn.edu (Eugene H. Simpson III) Message-Id: <200005151652.LAA13270@comer70.acesag.auburn.edu> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: New Series three owner X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org <...The greatest group of folks on the LR internet, IMHO. Amen! I'm still grinnin' after 10 months. Couldn't have gotten Fetch driveable without all the tips, advise, and pointers from the seasoned vets of Mendo. Welcome, Matt. ene Simpson Auburn, AL '64 SIIA 88 "Fetch" '97 Disco SE-7 '95 Dodge Pickup From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 15 13:51:35 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4FHpZl17645 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 13:51:35 -0400 From: "Paul Archibald" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 16:54:11 GMT Subject: Rover smile...was RE: New Series three owner X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <39202bb3.779a.0@jps.net> X-User-Info: 216.49.48.59 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >"....But I will calm down soon....." > >Oh, I hope not! My cheeks still hurt after having my 109 over a year, :^) >and I'm still just a newbie! You are as lucky as I was to have found this >list. The greatest group of folks on the LR internet, IMHO. > >-Dave G. Well I've been driving rovers for ten years (when they are running...) and I always have that silly smile on my face when I get in one of them....probably awlays will. Heck, I get a smile every time I even see a photo of one, I've kept a photo of Dom Diaz's old chevy powered 88" out in the desert somewhere on my desk for over ten years.(funny, I don't have any of mine up...) ...by the way, does anyone know what happened to that one? I lost track of it when he bought the camel 110...now that one would put a permanent smile on your face... ;-) Paul From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 15 14:08:16 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4FI8Gv17676 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:08:16 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000515101016.0080b400@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:10:16 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: Rover smile...was RE: New Series three owner In-Reply-To: <39202bb3.779a.0@jps.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 04:54 PM 5/15/2000 GMT, you wrote: >Well I've been driving rovers for ten years (when they are running...) and I >always have that silly smile on my face when I get in one of them....probably >awlays will. Heck, I get a smile every time I even see a photo of one, I've >kept a photo of Dom Diaz's old chevy powered 88" out in the desert somewhere >on my desk for over ten years.(funny, I don't have any of mine up...) > >...by the way, does anyone know what happened to that one? I lost track of it >when he bought the camel 110...now that one would put a permanent smile on your >face... ;-) > Hi Paul, I think I remember that Marvin Matson in the Reno area bought Dom's 88. He changed the power steering to one like I have in Sherman to get rid of the big Buick one out front to make room for a winch. And then I "Think" he sold it. Haven't been in touch with Marvin for a number of years. Bob B >Paul > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 15 14:09:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4FI98R17687 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:09:08 -0400 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:11:41 EDT Subject: Re: New Series three owner To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 77 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 5/15/00 9:48:54 AM US Mountain Standard Time, mattw@di.com writes: << No light green with lime stone top. And new 15" all terrain tire's. The top has what I thought was a safari top (there is a 1" high section over the whole top. ) but there are no vents coming into the cab. Any thoughts? >> Good....... just trying to place it! There was a SIII from Scottsdale that a guy from Strawberry bought who had one or two others also. I was wondering what happened to the other one that I referred to. I can't think of the guy's name but he's a fairly nice type. And the smile never goes away! Cheers, Gerry From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 15 14:09:45 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4FI9jG17698 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:09:45 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000515101144.0080cb50@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:11:44 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: RE: New Series three owner In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 09:52 AM 5/15/2000 -0700, you wrote: >No light green with lime stone top. And new 15" all terrain tire's. The top has >what I thought was a safari top (there is a 1" high section over the whole top. >) but there are no vents coming into the cab. Any thoughts? > >Matt Wilson Hi Matt, I think the S3 safari top had no vents normally, and most S3 had a plain top. Bob B From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 15 14:12:36 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4FICaG17720 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:12:36 -0400 X-Sent: 15 May 2000 17:15:11 GMT From: SJH To: "mendo_recce@fourfold.org" Subject: overdrive rebuild guidance needed Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:11:00 -0700 X-Mailer: MailBeamer v3.26 Message-ID: <201003161.342246572.4294894851@mailbeamer.schulte-law.com> X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I removed my Fairey OD this weekend and have time for a leisurely rebuild because I replaced the OD with an intermediate gear adn back plate to keep the rover roving. I have the installation instructions and exploded diagrams and an alternative parts list. I am aware of at least one supplier with many replacement parts still in stock. Now what I need is HELP/ie.: information. I've never rebuilt a drivetrain component. No engines, no transmissions, no diffs, no transfer cases, etc. Can anyone on the list provide me with information on what to look for and what to simply bank on replacing? The OD is about nine years old, was noisy at speed in fourth gear, had metal flakes in the oil when I drained it, and popped out of gear in first gear while under acceleration. Any help at all, as well as any information regarding any printed material regarding this OD will be appreciated. Simon Harding 109 SW From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 15 14:15:02 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4FIF2h17732 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:15:02 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:17:43 -0500 From: nicholas harteau To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: oops Message-ID: <20000515121743.D19946@execpc.com> References: <39201ad2.4340.0@jps.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <39201ad2.4340.0@jps.net>; from paarch@jps.net on Mon, May 15, 2000 at 03:42:10PM +0000 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Paul Archibald wrote: > ......$7,000 in damage to the police car..... > > and the Land Rover probasbly just had a dented bumper.. ;-) So that's what, $5000 worth of damage for a dealer repair? :) -- nicholas harteau nrh@ikami.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 15 14:18:09 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4FII9C17743 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:18:09 -0400 Message-ID: From: Matt Wilson To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: New Series three owner Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:26:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yes they were real nice in Strawberry. And it is a beautiful place I wouldn't mind going back. Matt Wilson -----Original Message----- From: GElam30092@aol.com [SMTP:GElam30092@aol.com] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 10:12 AM To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New Series three owner In a message dated 5/15/00 9:48:54 AM US Mountain Standard Time, mattw@di.com writes: << No light green with lime stone top. And new 15" all terrain tire's. The top has what I thought was a safari top (there is a 1" high section over the whole top. ) but there are no vents coming into the cab. Any thoughts? >> Good....... just trying to place it! There was a SIII from Scottsdale that a guy from Strawberry bought who had one or two others also. I was wondering what happened to the other one that I referred to. I can't think of the guy's name but he's a fairly nice type. And the smile never goes away! Cheers, Gerry From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 15 14:31:05 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4FIV5L17821 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:31:05 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Warner, Nick" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: New Series three owner Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:35:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Greetings from another newbie to the list.. fresh off a weekend of installing new door rubbers on my 67 IIA 88. (reformed '64 Scout owner) Complete with scraped knuckles and extremely sore hands and shoulders from popping heavy-duty Brit rivets all day. Rivets included with the gun were definately lighter duty than those included with the rubbers. Maybe the Brits bang em in with ease, but not this guy. Happy trails to you and Rusty. Nick Warner, Palo Alto. > ---------- > From: Matt Wilson[SMTP:mattw@di.com] > Reply To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 9:10 AM > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: New Series three owner > > Hello, > My name is Matt Wilson and I live in Santa Barbara CA. But my mom lives > in > Willits. > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 15 14:39:20 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4FIdKB17929 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:39:20 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:23:18 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: Mendo List Subject: Re: Binoculars In-Reply-To: <000501bfbc88$10d609a0$7500000a@kkelly6788> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, I knew a lot about this when I graduated from college, as a good pair of binoculars was the first expensive thing I bought when I got a real job. So, I did a lot of research, most of which I have forgotten. There are numbers used to describe them. 7x50, 8x40, 7x35. The first refers to magnification, and the second to the diameter of the lens in the front. Generally, you want the first number to be as low as possible, the second as high as possible. This gives you a bright image. A lot of compact binoculars (8x20s, typically) are hard to see through, even in bright daylight, because the image is so dim. Magnifications above 7 are difficult to use without a tripod, because you can't hold the binoculars steady enough to see clearly. 7x50s are a good all around choice. The image from them is nice and bright. In fact, at twilight and night, you can see a lot more clearly with them than without them. I have a pair of Celestron Pro 7x50s that I paid ~$200 for in 1992. I have been very happy with them. I have used them on the freeway for the same purpose you want to, and they worked, although they were a little too high power. They are great for stargazing, and optically they are decent pretty good. You can pay a lot more for a pair that is optically better, but if you ever drop them, you may loose the benefit of their careful optical alignement. There are a lot of other brands. Magazines like Astronomy and Sky & Telescope do major reviews and buying guides every few years, so it may be worth a trip to your local library to look up one of those articles. There was a reason to stay away from the zoom binoculars, but I can't remember what it was. Probably has to do with light loss, which is a major issue to me as an astronomer. On Wed, 10 May 2000, Kevin Kelly wrote: > As I was driving up to Mendo on 505 with the cruise control > set at 90mph I was noticing that my eyesight is not as good > as it once was. I was thinking I need some binoculars to > not only help me see if the Crown Victoria I'm getting > closer to on the freeway is a CHP cruiser, but I would also > use them out on the trail to see if the vehicles on a > distant ridge are Land Rovers or J**ps. > > I have no idea what kind of binoculars I should get, any > recommendations (size and brand) for all around use? I'm > more interested in value (bang for the buck) than quality > (as a High School yearbook photographer I couldn't tell the > difference between the photos I shot with my Nikon lenses > vs. the ones with the less expensive Vivitar lenses). > > Kevin Kelly > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 15 15:51:23 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4FJpNQ18119 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 15:51:23 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:04:56 -0800 From: "Granny" X-Mailer: EMURL 2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Dom's old 88, was Re: Rover smile... Message-ID: <0515100120456.0.10164549@nt-1.pacific.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Paul Archibald wrote: >awlays will. Heck, I get a smile every time I even see a photo of one, I've >kept a photo of Dom Diaz's old chevy powered 88" out in the desert somewhere >on my desk for over ten years.(funny, I don't have any of mine up...) My photo wall includes one of Dom's Camel 110 and a few from the '89 trip where I met Dom, when he had that V-8 88 but none showing it. He replaced it with a 109 2-door purchased from Bruce Cohn (B.R. Cohn winery). That 109 was all expedition outfitted (Bruce is said to have used it traveling in the Middle East) and was running a 292cid Chevy six. Dom converted it back to a Land-Rover petrol 2.25-liter four-cylinder engine and then replaced it with the Camel 110. I think you're correct that it was Marv who bought the 88. He must have sold it as I understand that he's running a V-8 powered 109 these days. When I first met Marv, he had a 2-door Range Rover that said "Strange Rover" on the back. I remember seeing Dom's former 109 at one or more of the Bay Area lawn leaks after Dom was stealing Best of Show with his 110. I don't know the "new" owner of the very nice 109 and haven't seen it for a while. Cheers, Granny > >...by the way, does anyone know what happened to that one? I lost track of it >when he bought the camel 110...now that one would put a permanent smile on your >face... ;-) > >Paul > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 15 16:15:16 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4FKFGk18178 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 16:15:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200005152015.e4FKFFw18174@guinness.ovlr.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: May LRW Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 16:15:15 -0400 From: Benjamin Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I picked up the May 2000 LRO last night and read the article by Matt Ross on NCRC Las Padres scouting trip. Sigh. I had carefully explained to him how mendo started with Granny and Morgan as instigators and me just creating an email list. I read in the LRW that I came up with the idea of mendo and posted to the web to get people together. I guess the story was just to convoluted. Later in the article I'm quoted as saying that lots of dead Series LR have come out of barns and have been restored since parts are cheap. What I had said was that this happened was because they were cheaper than a new D90. I guess I don't get translated into sounds bites all that well. Lots of other quotes of Bruce, Ben M. and TerriAnn. Ben May LRW From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 15 16:47:48 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4FKlmt18229 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 16:47:48 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:31:45 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Protest now or I'll send it to the list... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I would love to see you post, since I would be interested in knowing more. As I said earlier, I have forgotten a lot. James On Mon, 15 May 2000, G. Mugele wrote: > Frank and TeriAnn have both expressed an interest in knowing more > about the binocular assessing process and such. > > Assuming I'll have tonight I post a LONG document to the Mendo list. > If however, anyone feels strongly that people can go to other sites, > such as BVD (Better View Desired) and they don't want to see it mixed > in with Land Rovers, say so now. > _ > / o\_ Gerald Mugele > / )-- \ MewGull@ix.netcom.com > / | > Since electricity is produced by electrons, we might conclude that > morality is produced by morons. > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 15 17:17:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4FLHLf18286 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 17:17:21 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:30:55 -0800 From: "Granny" X-Mailer: EMURL 2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: May LRW Message-ID: <0515100133055.0.10164549@nt-1.pacific.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ben Smith wrote: >I guess I don't get translated into sounds bites all that well. It's not just you and not just that author. That scenario is, alas, all too typical of journalism. Still, no real harm was done. I'm happy to see you get the credit and your creation of the left-coast-specific e-mail list became the major driving force that defines where we are now. The rest is pretty incidental as I think it was going to happen, one way or another. I'll take the liberty of speaking for Mo, too, as he told me at Mendo that he's not even on the list any more. He of course knew that Mendo is always the last full weekend of April so he just showed up! Hearty thanks are in order to you, Ben, for all that this list has meant to all of us! Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 15 17:50:32 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4FLoWk18366 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 17:50:32 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:34:30 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: Mendo List Subject: Re: Black Plates In-Reply-To: <000201bfbc88$0bc383c0$7500000a@kkelly6788> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This weekend, I saw a plate on the wall in a restaurant that said "California Worlds Fair 39". It was black with yellow letters. On Wed, 10 May 2000, Kevin Kelly wrote: > James Howard wrote: > > >Out of curiosity, what is the big deal > >about the black plates? > > An old car looks better with an old black plate than the new > reflectorized white ones. If you have a vintage tuxedo you > will look a lot better with vintage black leather shoes than > some new high tech running shoes with reflector strips on > them. > > Kevin Kelly > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 15 20:16:53 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4G0Grl18603 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 20:16:53 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000515161547.00800530@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 16:15:47 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: Black Plates In-Reply-To: References: <000201bfbc88$0bc383c0$7500000a@kkelly6788> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 01:34 PM 5/15/2000 -0700, you wrote: > >This weekend, I saw a plate on the wall in a restaurant that said >"California Worlds Fair 39". It was black with yellow letters. > > Boy, That would look cool on a 1939 Land-Rover!! Bob B > >> James Howard wrote: >> >> >Out of curiosity, what is the big deal >> >about the black plates? >> >> An old car looks better with an old black plate than the new >> reflectorized white ones. If you have a vintage tuxedo you >> will look a lot better with vintage black leather shoes than >> some new high tech running shoes with reflector strips on >> them. >> >> Kevin Kelly >> > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 15 21:51:55 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4G1ptZ18797 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 21:51:55 -0400 Message-ID: <39209D13.F65F2829@wenet.net> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 17:57:55 -0700 From: "Bruce R. Bonar" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: May LRW References: <200005152015.e4FKFFw18174@guinness.ovlr.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Now I'm worried! :-) Anybody have a copy I can borrow? Who knows what I'm quoted as saying, or what I actually said for that matter. :-) Bruce Benjamin Smith wrote: > I picked up the May 2000 LRO last night and read the article by Matt > Ross on NCRC Las Padres scouting trip. Sigh. I had carefully explained to > him how mendo started with Granny and Morgan as instigators and me just > creating an email list. I read in the LRW that I came up with the idea of > mendo and posted to the web to get people together. I guess the story > was just to convoluted. Later in the article I'm quoted as saying that > lots of dead Series LR have come out of barns and have been restored since > parts are cheap. What I had said was that this happened was because they > were cheaper than a new D90. I guess I don't get translated into sounds > bites all that well. Lots of other quotes of Bruce, Ben M. and TerriAnn. > > Ben May LRW From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 15 23:52:07 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4G3q7s18913 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 23:52:07 -0400 From: "Worldwide Rovers" To: "Mendo_Recce@Moab. Off-Road." Subject: 109" for sale Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 19:49:14 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bfbee1$5299e680$e92d0dce@com.humboldt1.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org With our move to Oregon and getting into horses, I have to face the music and shrink the LRs in the Bowen household. We are going to sell the 1991 Jag XJ6 Sovereign, the 1987 Ford F250 4WD with the 460 CID motor and the 1975 Series III 109, RHD, 5 door, 12 passenger that I bought in Thailand last year. The LR is a very nice 109 with new dark gray metallic paint, tropical roof, completely reupholstered interior -- including headliner, seats, doors, and carpets. It has a 3.2 litre Toyota diesel (93 horsepower/159lbs of torque according to a Toyota website), Toyota 4 speed (all synchro) trans and 2 speed t-case. It is a very strong diesel and today I pulled the Willits grade going north from Redwood Valley at 65 mph in 4th. Granny can tell you how steep it is. It has air-conditioning, power steering (Toyota), power brakes, H-4 headlights, and a Salisbury rear axle. What does it need: The roof leaks (front seal I think) and is rusted where it meets the sides. The sunshield has numerous dings from Lanyam fruit dropping on it. In Thailand they parked it under a Lanyam tree and the heavy fruit has also landed on the bonnet (right front corner and I will include a perfect bonnet that needs paint), and both front fenders. I think the dents add to the character, but if you want to spruce it up more, I have another 109 tropical top coming from Marc Hoffman (I hope)and you can have that for $1,000 - exchange (Marc wants the old top). The rear pinion seal is leaking (easy to fix and cheap), and there is a bad u-joint in the rear axle. The air conditioning fan didn't arrive with the vehicle (it half chopped my index finger off in Thailand when I reached in to open the hood with the motor running and the air-con on). I have just installed 4 new BP springs w/bushings, OME shocks, new fuel transfer pump and glow plugs. Vehicle starts and runs great and will cruise at 60-70 mph. BTW, the steering wheel is one of these thick, padded Nissan items with stalks for lights and wipers. I almost forgot; the vehicle has never had a heater (the lows in Thailand are in the seventies) but I have one of 3 in various states of repair that I can include: An LR military in cab heater (light a double rectangular toe heater, most of the parts for a kodiak, or a Toyota toe burner. Take your pick. $14,500 as is with the good extra bonnet and $1,000 more for the 109 roof -- if and when Marc Hoffman gets it to me. If anyone on the list or their friends is interested, you can reach me days at 800-925-2422 (until 1:00pm) and afternoons and weekends at 707-268-0215. Cheers Clark Bowen From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 15 23:56:12 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4G3uCU18928 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 23:56:12 -0400 Message-ID: <3920B966.AA7528BE@thelen.org> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 19:58:46 -0700 From: "Christopher H. Dow" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: May LRW References: <200005152015.e4FKFFw18174@guinness.ovlr.org> <39209D13.F65F2829@wenet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "Bruce R. Bonar" wrote: > > Now I'm worried! :-) > > Anybody have a copy I can borrow? Who knows what I'm quoted as saying, or what > I actually said for that matter. :-) > Basically you were quoted as talking about all the love that Land Rover Ownership has brought into your life, and how you were expecting to just meet a bunch of yahoos and how pleasantly surprised you were that we had all our teeth :-). C From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 16 00:13:07 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4G4D7X19106 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 00:13:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200005160321.UAA20664@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: May LRW Date: Mon, 15 May 00 20:15:58 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Lots of other quotes of Bruce, Ben M. and TerriAnn. I too noticed some misquotes. Maybe he didn't hear me all that well over the sound of the engine. I thought it was interesting seeing Spot labeled as a typical US D90. > >Ben May LRW > TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 16 01:00:14 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4G50E719638 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 01:00:14 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 20:57:50 -0800 To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com From: Russ Wilson Subject: Bulkhead F/S Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Early IIA (1965) Bulkhead for sale. Blasted and wearing a spiffy coat of primer. No dents, no rust, 100% perfect plain and simple. $750 I'm in L.A. and can arrange shipping. Russ and Leslie Wilson "Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains." -Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 16 05:40:50 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4G9eoo19937 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 05:40:50 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mewgull@popd.ix.netcom.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 01:40:40 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: "G. Mugele" Subject: Okay...on binoculars...more than you wanted to know. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1253656022==_ma============" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --============_-1253656022==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" This write up, below, is actually a hand out I use for my beginning field ornithology class. None of my students has ever complained that they spent too much on a pair of binocs. Several have griped about not spending enough. Most rave about the choices they made even though they thought they were spending too much at the time. Buying Binoculars Before a purchase you should consider just how you'll use your binoculars and where you're willing to compromise. First, decide approximately what you want, how much you can afford to spend (be as extravagant as possible, you'll appreciate it later), and how much weight you are willing to carry around your neck for several hours each day. Binoculars come in a variety of forms from simple opera glasses to huge astronomical things requiring a tripod for adequate support. (We're not going to argue the relative virtues of roof prism design versus Zeiss style here) All use the same specifications to describe their power, size and field of view. The most basic (and important) specification is the power and size; it is expressed something like: 7x35. This says the power (or magnification) is seven times normal and that the objective lens (the closest to the subject you're viewing) is 35 millimeters in diameter. The value of this may not be immediately obvious but you'll soon recognize the value in later comparisons. The power indicates that what is seen through the binoculars will appear, in this example, seven times closer. The lens size (actually this is the 'objective lens') tells you something about the size of the binoculars and how much light will be coming through the glasses. The two numbers together indicate the 'exit pupil' or the size of the beam of light entering your eye. This is much more important than it might seem; the human eye has a pupil that varies in diameter from less than one millimeter in the brightest light to a maximum of a bit over five millimeters. When the light is low the pupil opens up to it's maximum size; at these times it's best if the binocular's exit pupil is at least the same size. You can determine the exit pupil size by dividing the objective lens size by the power; for example 35/7=5, so 7x35 glasses provide a 5mm exit pupil. The same is true for 10x50, 8x40 and 6x30. But 10x42 yields a 4.2mm pupil which is still more than adequate. 7x50s will give you an exit pupil of 7.14mm, except for astronomical viewing this larger than needed, even under the worst light. For this class please don't consider anything with an exit pupil of less than 3mm; they are difficult and frustrating to use in the field. The other important specification is the field of view. It is expressed either in degrees or in n feet at a thousand yards. It doesn't matter which form it takes, the meaning is the same, it's just harder to compare them this way. Generally you won't want anything less than 6.5 degrees or less than 450 feet at 1000 yards. The last major consideration is weight, a large pair can get very heavy hanging around the neck for a few hours, but very light glasses are difficult to hold steady. This is a very subjective compromise that only the person using the binoculars can make. If possible try a few different pairs to see what weight you prefer. Price can run from around $50 to multiple thousands. Durability is very important and is expensive. The cheap glasses will likely lose their alignment at the first knock and you'll end up with a headache the next time you use them. Some of the more expensive ones now have electronically stabilized images to reduce the effect of your shaking hands. Do NOT consider fixed focus glasses. These are the kind commonly available at Costco or Walmart that cannot be focused; this is NOT an advantage. Some of these even come from well known companies like Nikon. For birding they are nearly useless. The best glasses focus from very close (ten to fifteen feet) to infinity. Close focus is extremely valuable in the field and is very expensive. Bushnell Elites excel in this area, you can focus on your own feet. One overall factor to remember factor to remember when assessing binoculars is that choosing the right pair is a very personal thing. The advice of others can be helpful but use it only as a guide. Getting exactly what works best for you can only be determined by you. It's kind of like buying underwear; just because your friend finds some brand comfortable does not mean you will. Assessing Binoculars What to look for in a quality pair ... Why Quality - You may ask yourself why you should pay $500 or more for a good pair when there are plenty out there for $200 and less. The best reason is you'll see more; really! Optics are not the most important aspect of quality. Nikon make two pair that use the same glass...one model is called the Action series and is built with a composite chassis whereas the Criterion series which usually run about three times higher in price has the traditional steel chassis. The first time the Actions slide off the car seat the may well break some component and likely will not be repairable. The Criterion on the other hand is the old classic with adjustable prisms. When they take the same fall they're much less likely to break and even if they do they can be repaired and re-collimated. Collimation is critical to binocular use. This refers to the beams of light coming through the binocs into you eyes. The two beams should be absolutely parallel or you'll soon have a head ache and this is the most common flaw in binoculars. Low-end new ones are very often out when you buy them. Focus - (External Focus Models) Wiggle the eye-pieces in and out and back and forth to make sure construction is strong enough and tolerances close enough to maintain the same focus for each eye. Low priced models are notorious for under-built cranes (the piece that lays across the bridge of your nose and racks the eyepiece in and out) or using heavy grease under the eyepiece thread to make the movement stiffer and to simulate close tolerances. If you can move one eyepiece relative to the other, you won't be able to keep both barrels focused together and you'll soon learn to hate them. Alignment - Put binocs to your eyes, focus on an object at a distance, and slowly move the binocs away from your eyes until you see a double image. The double image results from misalignment. Vertical misalignment is worse than horizontal misalignment. Your eyes will compensate for poor alignment for a while but eventually you'll have a headache and not know why. In cheap models the Prisms are cemented in place making adjustment (collimation) impossible. Weight - Most birders would consider 28 to 30 oz. a maximum and not even consider a minimum. This is really a matter of what you find comfortable to have hanging around your neck for 4 or 5 hours at a time. However, I have found that ultra light-weight glasses have so little mass that it is often difficult to hold them steady; even my pulse causes a little jump in the less than 8oz. pairs. (The problem effectively increases relative to the power.) Prisms - Quality binocs use "high index" prisms. Hold binocs to light at arms length. If you see bright circles in the eyepiece; they have "high index" glass. If you see diamonds or fuzzy stuff they don't. Eye-relief - This is a design factor and refers to how far past the eyepiece images are focused. You can test for this by focusing the binocular at infinity and moving a translucent sheet in and out behind the eyepiece until an image is focused on the sheet, then measuring the distance between sheet and eyepiece. This distance is usually given in millimeters but published data can be misleading because it sometimes refers to the distance from the glass and sometimes from the farthest extremity of the binocs. This is of special interest to you if you wear distance glasses because you probably want enough eye relief to see the whole field of view without removing your glasses. NOTE: Manufacturer's claims are close to meaningless because of a lack of standardization. Angle of View - This is the width of the view through the binocs. It is usually expressed in degrees or feet at a thousand yards. Generally with 7 power glasses you want at least 6.5 degrees of view or about 450 feet at 1000 yards. It should be noted on the barrel near the other specifications. Brightness Remember from above, that is a simple optical formula: Objective lens diameter divided by the power. 7X35 = (35/7 =) 5mm, 8X40 = 5mm, 8X30 = 3.75, etc. Most birders today are using 3mm to 5mm. In most birding situations your iris is "stopped down" to under 5mm so the additional brightness of the binocs is "wasted" (falls on iris not on retina). This becomes much more important, however, in low-light situations when your iris is dilated. If you bird often at dawn or dusk or below a dark arboreal canopy you will want at least 5mm. Then we must consider a rather nebulous characteristic called the twilight factor. This is more a product of the quality of glass (try to be sure you get a BAK 4 or better) and the coatings. The only way to be sure in this category is to test them against one another in really low-light conditions. My own experience is that Leica (very expensive) excell in twilight. Their scope is especially outstanding when I compared it side by side to Swarovski, Kowa and other top brands. Coatings - This is really hard to gauge. There are innumerable claims and descriptions of coatings. These are simply films applied to the optics that reduce reflection and aid color transmission. The best binocs usually claim to be "fully multi-coated" Consider those claiming to be "fully coated" or "multi-coated" to be less desirable. Note: This is not a definitive work, there are many other factors. Look at a lot of different models, Nikons, B&L, Leica, Bushnell, Swarovski, & Zeiss, and include some that you know are clearly over your budget. Remember, this is a very personal choice... ****************************************************** And for you Land Rover owners.... If you can find a place that sells multiple brands and will let you take them outside for a look.... find an appropriate test target about 100 meters away and another about 20 feet. Focus each pair, in turn, on your target. Is the image crisp and clear edge to edge? Not likely on the cheaper ones. Put one edge of the image on a fixed landmark and then check the others to see if they include more or less at the opposite edge. Look at the classes as you focus....on external focus glasses the only thing moving should be the crane and eyepieces. Bushnell has big problems with this on the cheaper ($100 to $250) glasses. Mead and Celestron are two of the best low-end brands but still, try to get the best you can afford. Nikon and Swift do very well in the mid range glasses... ($250 to $600) and I have owned Nikon 7X35E Criterions since I could first afford a used pair. Now, 35 years and four pairs later I still think they are easily the best for the money for birding and general use. These are available from Camera World of Oregon for under $300 most of the time. Nikon has a new class of binoc on the market called the Superior E and although I have yet to see a pair, everyone is raving about 'em. They cost between $700 and $1K. For those that aren't spending enough on their Land Rovers the best choices are Leica Ultras, Bushnell Elites, Zeiss (roof prism models) and some of the other European makes. These are in the near $1K (and over) range. Leica makes a Geovid model that has a built in compass, range-finder, and even image stabilization all for only about $3K. On the subject of using glasses in a moving vehicle. Good luck. It really doesn't matter what quality you get you ain't gonna be able to see much.... and I know that it's a great way to achieve instant motion-sickness. Most of the above deals with medium power binos. If you're hunting or otherwise looking at relatively stationary objects at long distance and able to brace yourself and the glasses; then you should probably consider 10 power and maybe even 12 power. But don't be seduced by the really big power claims. Often someone with lower power but better quality glasses will see the deer, bunny or turkey long before the guy with the 15X things. Remember...more power usually means a narrower field of view. Very few manufacturers make decent 15X and above and you pay dearly for it. One final note...DON'T get any glasses with a red coating on the objective lens and don't get quick focus or zoom binocs....you'll regret it. BTW I own 6 pairs of binocs (that I can recall right now anyway) and the pair I use most often and regularly are my Leica 8X32B Ultras. They are not cheap but they're pretty damn good. Last time I checked the best price on them was from Iowa Camera Corner (I forget which city) and they were about $800. Camera World of Oregon does a lot of internet business and they have a lot of stuff listed on their site. --============_-1253656022==_ma============ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" This write up, below, is actually a hand out I use for my beginning field ornithology class. None of my students has ever complained that they spent too much on a pair of binocs. Several have griped about not spending enough. Most rave about the choices they made even though they thought they were spending too much at the time. Buying Binoculars Before a purchase you should consider just how you'll use your binoculars and where you're willing to compromise. First, decide approximately what you want, how much you can afford to spend (be as extravagant as possible, you'll appreciate it later), and how much weight you are willing to carry around your neck for several hours each day. Binoculars come in a variety of forms from simple opera glasses to huge astronomical things requiring a tripod for adequate support. (We're not going to argue the relative virtues of roof prism design versus Zeiss style here) All use the same specifications to describe their power, size and field of view. The most basic (and important) specification is the power and size; it is expressed something like: 7x35. This says the power (or magnification) is seven times normal and that the objective lens (the closest to the subject you're viewing) is 35 millimeters in diameter. The value of this may not be immediately obvious but you'll soon recognize the value in later comparisons. The power indicates that what is seen through the binoculars will appear, in this example, seven times closer. The lens size (actually this is the 'objective lens') tells you something about the size of the binoculars and how much light will be coming through the glasses. The two numbers together indicate the 'exit pupil' or the size of the beam of light entering your eye. This is much more important than it might seem; the human eye has a pupil that varies in diameter from less than one millimeter in the brightest light to a maximum of a bit over five millimeters. When the light is low the pupil opens up to it's maximum size; at these times it's best if the binocular's exit pupil is at least the same size. You can determine the exit pupil size by dividing the objective lens size by the power; for example 35/7=5, so 7x35 glasses provide a 5mm exit pupil. The same is true for 10x50, 8x40 and 6x30. But 10x42 yields a 4.2mm pupil which is still more than adequate. 7x50s will give you an exit pupil of 7.14mm, except for astronomical viewing this larger than needed, even under the worst light. For this class please don't consider anything with an exit pupil of less than 3mm; they are difficult and frustrating to use in the field. The other important specification is the field of view. It is expressed either in degrees or in n feet at a thousand yards. It doesn't matter which form it takes, the meaning is the same, it's just harder to compare them this way. Generally you won't want anything less than 6.5 degrees or less than 450 feet at 1000 yards. The last major consideration is weight, a large pair can get very heavy hanging around the neck for a few hours, but very light glasses are difficult to hold steady. This is a very subjective compromise that only the person using the binoculars can make. If possible try a few different pairs to see what weight you prefer. Price can run from around $50 to multiple thousands. Durability is very important and is expensive. The cheap glasses will likely lose their alignment at the first knock and you'll end up with a headache the next time you use them. Some of the more expensive ones now have electronically stabilized images to reduce the effect of your shaking hands. Do NOT consider fixed focus glasses. These are the kind commonly available at Costco or Walmart that cannot be focused; this is NOT an advantage. Some of these even come from well known companies like Nikon. For birding they are nearly useless. The best glasses focus from very close (ten to fifteen feet) to infinity. Close focus is extremely valuable in the field and is very expensive. Bushnell Elites excel in this area, you can focus on your own feet. One overall factor to remember factor to remember when assessing binoculars is that choosing the right pair is a very personal thing. The advice of others can be helpful but use it only as a guide. Getting exactly what works best for you can only be determined by you. It's kind of like buying underwear; just because your friend finds some brand comfortable does not mean you will. Assessing Binoculars What to look for in a quality pair ... Why Quality - You may ask yourself why you should pay $500 or more for a good pair when there are plenty out there for $200 and less. The best reason is you'll see more; really! Optics are not the most important aspect of quality. Nikon make two pair that use the same glass...one model is called the Action series and is built with a composite chassis whereas the Criterion series which usually run about three times higher in price has the traditional steel chassis. The first time the Actions slide off the car seat the may well break some component and likely will not be repairable. The Criterion on the other hand is the old classic with adjustable prisms. When they take the same fall they're much less likely to break and even if they do they can be repaired and re-collimated. Collimation is critical to binocular use. This refers to the beams of light coming through the binocs into you eyes. The two beams should be absolutely parallel or you'll soon have a head ache and this is the most common flaw in binoculars. Low-end new ones are very often out when you buy them. Focus - (External Focus Models) Wiggle the eye-pieces in and out and back and forth to make sure construction is strong enough and tolerances close enough to maintain the same focus for each eye. Low priced models are notorious for under-built cranes (the piece that lays across the bridge of your nose and racks the eyepiece in and out) or using heavy grease under the eyepiece thread to make the movement stiffer and to simulate close tolerances. If you can move one eyepiece relative to the other, you won't be able to keep both barrels focused together and you'll soon learn to hate them. Alignment - Put binocs to your eyes, focus on an object at a distance, and slowly move the binocs away from your eyes until you see a double image. The double image results from misalignment. Vertical misalignment is worse than horizontal misalignment. Your eyes will compensate for poor alignment for a while but eventually you'll have a headache and not know why. In cheap models the Prisms are cemented in place making adjustment (collimation) impossible. Weight - Most birders would consider 28 to 30 oz. a maximum and not even consider a minimum. This is really a matter of what you find comfortable to have hanging around your neck for 4 or 5 hours at a time. However, I have found that ultra light-weight glasses have so little mass that it is often difficult to hold them steady; even my pulse causes a little jump in the less than 8oz. pairs. (The problem effectively increases relative to the power.) Prisms - Quality binocs use "high index" prisms. Hold binocs to light at arms length. If you see bright circles in the eyepiece; they have "high index" glass. If you see diamonds or fuzzy stuff they don't. Eye-relief - This is a design factor and refers to how far past the eyepiece images are focused. You can test for this by focusing the binocular at infinity and moving a translucent sheet in and out behind the eyepiece until an image is focused on the sheet, then measuring the distance between sheet and eyepiece. This distance is usually given in millimeters but published data can be misleading because it sometimes refers to the distance from the glass and sometimes from the farthest extremity of the binocs. This is of special interest to you if you wear distance glasses because you probably want enough eye relief to see the whole field of view without removing your glasses. NOTE: Manufacturer's claims are close to meaningless because of a lack of standardization. Angle of View - This is the width of the view through the binocs. It is usually expressed in degrees or feet at a thousand yards. Generally with 7 power glasses you want at least 6.5 degrees of view or about 450 feet at 1000 yards. It should be noted on the barrel near the other specifications. Brightness Remember from above, that is a simple optical formula: Objective lens diameter divided by the power. 7X35 = (35/7 =) 5mm, 8X40 = 5mm, 8X30 = 3.75, etc. Most birders today are using 3mm to 5mm. In most birding situations your iris is "stopped down" to under 5mm so the additional brightness of the binocs is "wasted" (falls on iris not on retina). This becomes much more important, however, in low-light situations when your iris is dilated. If you bird often at dawn or dusk or below a dark arboreal canopy you will want at least 5mm. Then we must consider a rather nebulous characteristic called the twilight factor. This is more a product of the quality of glass (try to be sure you get a BAK 4 or better) and the coatings. The only way to be sure in this category is to test them against one another in really low-light conditions. My own experience is that Leica (very expensive) excell in twilight. Their scope is especially outstanding when I compared it side by side to Swarovski, Kowa and other top brands. Coatings - This is really hard to gauge. There are innumerable claims and descriptions of coatings. These are simply films applied to the optics that reduce reflection and aid color transmission. The best binocs usually claim to be "fully multi-coated" Consider those claiming to be "fully coated" or "multi-coated" to be less desirable. Note: This is not a definitive work, there are many other factors. Look at a lot of different models, Nikons, B&L, Leica, Bushnell, Swarovski, & Zeiss, and include some that you know are clearly over your budget. Remember, this is a very personal choice... ****************************************************** And for you Land Rover owners.... If you can find a place that sells multiple brands and will let you take them outside for a look.... find an appropriate test target about 100 meters away and another about 20 feet. Focus each pair, in turn, on your target. Is the image crisp and clear edge to edge? Not likely on the cheaper ones. Put one edge of the image on a fixed landmark and then check the others to see if they include more or less at the opposite edge. Look at the classes as you focus....on external focus glasses the only thing moving should be the crane and eyepieces. Bushnell has big problems with this on the cheaper ($100 to $250) glasses. Mead and Celestron are two of the best low-end brands but still, try to get the best you can afford. Nikon and Swift do very well in the mid range glasses... ($250 to $600) and I have owned Nikon 7X35E Criterions since I could first afford a used pair. Now, 35 years and four pairs later I still think they are easily the best for the money for birding and general use. These are available from Camera World of Oregon for under $300 most of the time. Nikon has a new class of binoc on the market called the Superior E and although I have yet to see a pair, everyone is raving about 'em. They cost between $700 and $1K. For those that aren't spending enough on their Land Rovers the best choices are Leica Ultras, Bushnell Elites, Zeiss (roof prism models) and some of the other European makes. These are in the near $1K (and over) range. Leica makes a Geovid model that has a built in compass, range-finder, and even image stabilization all for only about $3K. On the subject of using glasses in a moving vehicle. Good luck. It really doesn't matter what quality you get you ain't gonna be able to see much.... and I know that it's a great way to achieve instant motion-sickness. Most of the above deals with medium power binos. If you're hunting or otherwise looking at relatively stationary objects at long distance and able to brace yourself and the glasses; then you should probably consider 10 power and maybe even 12 power. But don't be seduced by the really big power claims. Often someone with lower power but better quality glasses will see the deer, bunny or turkey long before the guy with the 15X things. Remember...more power usually means a narrower field of view. Very few manufacturers make decent 15X and above and you pay dearly for it. One final note...DON'T get any glasses with a red coating on the objective lens and don't get quick focus or zoom binocs....you'll regret it. BTW I own 6 pairs of binocs (that I can recall right now anyway) and the pair I use most often and regularly are my Leica 8X32B Ultras. They are not cheap but they're pretty damn good. Last time I checked the best price on them was from Iowa Camera Corner (I forget which city) and they were about $800. Camera World of Oregon does a lot of internet business and they have a lot of stuff listed on their site. --============_-1253656022==_ma============-- From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 16 10:51:44 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4GEpiF20300 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 10:51:44 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CDBF1@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: May LRW Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 07:59:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...how pleasantly surprised you were that we had all our teeth :-)...." Th-peek for your th-elf! :^) -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 16 11:54:35 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4GFsZh20404 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 11:54:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200005161554.e4GFsYw20401@guinness.ovlr.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: May LRW In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 15 May 2000 17:57:55 PDT." <39209D13.F65F2829@wenet.net> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 11:54:34 -0400 From: Benjamin Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <39209D13.F65F2829@wenet.net>you write: > Now I'm worried! :-) > Anybody have a copy I can borrow? Who knows what I'm quoted as saying, or wh > I actually said for that matter. :-) Yours seems ok to me. Most of the numbers in the article he got from me. And he rounded them. Being anal retentive my immediate throught was to correct them, but in reality they are close enough. The last time I was quoted was in the LA times 6 or 7 years ago when a reporter did a story on Caltech. I had spent an hour talking with him. The 3 quotes that made the paper made me sound like a drugged out hippie. And were horribly out of context. Oh well. Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 16 11:58:06 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4GFw6I20418 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 11:58:06 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CDBF5@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" , "'D90'" Subject: Yet more Mendo Pix Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 09:05:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I added a trip report on the Mendo NAR to the Trail Reports page on http://www.d-90.com . The report part is still needing work, but Blair Peterson sent me all the info I need to make it right. It'll be better soon, but I did want to at least get the pix up. I shared them with a non-lr friend, and this was her reply: "....That 101FC is scary looking - some kind of beast out of a nightmare! 1/2 tank and 1/2 monster. That's a cool way to document your trip - thanks!....." -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 16 12:05:26 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4GG5QE20471 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 12:05:26 -0400 Message-ID: <39216419.8A31B6BD@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 08:07:05 -0700 From: "Franklin H. Yap" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Okay...on binoculars...more than you wanted to know. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks Gerry! Frank From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 16 12:57:01 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4GGv1s20672 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 12:57:01 -0400 Date: 16 May 2000 08:59:22 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org X-Sender: web79245@dreamlab.cc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: May LRW Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ben writes... >The 3 quotes that made the paper made me sound like a >drugged out hippie. And were horribly out of context. Oh well. > >Ben Well, when I was working as a PJ (photojournalist), we had a saying around the newsroom that went something like, "Never let the facts get in the way of a good story". Sad, but true. I don't think we ever intentionally went out of our way to mislead a reader, but mistakes, misquotations, items taken WAY out of context were commonplace. I'm glad I'm not a journalist anymore (besides not having to work Sundays, Thanksgiving and Christmas). Later, Michael Slade Portland, Oregon www.DreamLab.cc From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 16 13:00:54 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4GH0sk20687 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:00:54 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CDBFB@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo'" Subject: FW: [D90] Re: AA Yellow Paint Code Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:08:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Some here have asked about this. Thought I'd forward. -Dave G. > ---------- > From: George Gamarci[SMTP:ggamarci@home.com] > Reply To: d90@egroups.com > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 7:55 PM > To: d90@egroups.com > Subject: [D90] Re: AA Yellow Paint Code > > AA Yellow > > LR Code: > 1827 > > Mfr. Code: > AA/584/FUN > > DuPont Code: > F0942 > > > George Gamarci > 95 D90SW #117/500 > > > Post message: d90@egroups.com > Subscribe: d90-subscribe@egroups.com > Unsubscribe: d90-unsubscribe@egroups.com > List owner: d90-owner@egroups.com > URL to this page: http://www.egroups.com/group/d90 > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 16 17:13:41 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4GLDfv21143 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 17:13:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200005162113.e4GLDew21139@guinness.ovlr.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: May LRW Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 17:13:40 -0400 From: Benjamin Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Direct quotes of NCRC members: "The Internet is what allowed enough people to get together and form a core group. Then the club was formed, partly to get to people who aren't on the Net." -Bruce Bonar "We could spend years, and not explore all the BLM land in California that's still open." -Bruce Bonar Regarding land closers. "We need to act responsibly." -Bruce "Because parts were so expensive, many of the Land Rovers were not in very good condition. The people who owned them teneded to be in the bottom half as far as income is concerned, and rather eccentric." -TerriAnn "In '94, when they brought over Dicoverys and 90s, Land Rover advertised a great deal. Before that nobody knew what one was." -TerriAnn "Since they've come back, they've moved much more mainstream. The people who've come in over the last six years are educated professionals, and less eccentric." -TerriAnn "In southern California, there's a poser scene--they're seen as stylish trucks. It's the combination of technology, money, and young engineers with more money than your average guy." -Bruce "We had one event where some Range Rover owners brought a pair of lppping shears so they could walk ahead of the car and clear the route," laughs Bruce "In the last ten years, they've come out of barns because parts are cheap and people can work on them." -Ben Smith Series vehicles are "considered to be the authentic experience." TerriAnn "Part of the allure is driving a car that's out of place. I love driving into Wal-Mart in a truck with a tyre on the bonnnet and a tent on the roof." -Daniel Oppenheim. "They're completly impractical, but they're rugged and individual." -Ben Mitchell. Ben Mitchell...likes "the simplicity of it. I wanted a vehicle I dould fix by the road." "It started out as a car, and ended up as meeting people, and travel, and geography. This is a social club. These people would drive 100 miles to bring you a quart of oil." -Daniel "I joined the club expecting to find redneck off-roaders. But I found people I'd like to be friends with regardless of whether they have Land Rovers. I never figured that I'd buy a car, and get 100 friends with it." Photos in the article: pp 4&5 (TAble of contents) Soft top 88" (I think Regent. CA plate #DQH651) p. 58: 3 Rovers on Ridge Road D110, 88" soft top and D90? Terry's McCauley's SIIA 88" from the rear P. 59 Front shot of Spot listed as a "typical" NAS D90 Front shot of Bubba "Eric and Brigit Cope in one of the club's prized 101s" Rear shot of Ben Mitchell's D90 chasing me in the Black Watch p.60 Front shot of TerriAnn's 109" Lazy Bugger badge listed as "Mendo Recce group's badge" Climbing away from the ocean. 10 LRs lined up Wing mounted headlights of Tony McCauley's SIIA Rear shot of Daniel's 127" p.61 Rear shot of Spot listing it as Bruce's Front shot of Tony's SIIA again. Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 16 17:18:15 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4GLIFD21193 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 17:18:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200005162026.NAA05665@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: May LRW Date: Tue, 16 May 00 13:21:07 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Yours seems ok to me. Most of the numbers in the article he got >from me. 8*), He rode with me first on the trails and one of the things I told him is that he should talk to Ben S. if he needed numbers. I told him you were the club's official number keeper. 8*) TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 16 18:11:23 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4GMBNV21322 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 18:11:23 -0400 From: "Paul Archibald" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 21:13:56 GMT Subject: Ben's snip of quotes from May LRW(and my smart-assed comments...) X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <3921ba14.1fd.0@jps.net> X-User-Info: 216.49.48.59 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Direct quotes of NCRC members: >"Because parts were so expensive, many of the Land Rovers were not in very good > condition. The people who owned them teneded to be in the bottom half as far > as income is concerned, and rather eccentric." -TerriAnn I can't tell was that a compliment or..... ;-) > >"In '94, when they brought over Dicoverys and 90s, Land Rover advertised a > great deal. Before that nobody knew what one was." -TerriAnn Ya' know, I had ben working and driving this mangy ol Army looking jeep-type thingie for a few years, and than, WOW! I saw an ad fir Land Rover Defenders....Hey, I have one of those! I had wondered what it was.... >"Since they've come back, they've moved much more mainstream. The people > who've come in over the last six years are educated professionals, and less > eccentric." -TerriAnn Making us Uneducated, Unprofessional, and what, more eccentric? At least the new guys are still a bit eccntric, or we wouldn't be able to talk to them.... >"In southern California, there's a poser scene--they're seen as stylish trucks. > It's the combination of technology, money, and young engineers with more > money than your average guy." -Bruce as compared to the Silicon Valley, where the average guy is a young engineer...technology and the money go along with that.. >"We had one event where some Range Rover owners brought a pair of lppping > shears so they could walk ahead of the car and clear the route," laughs Bruce No Comment.... :-) Paul From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 16 18:38:03 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4GMc3a21417 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 18:38:03 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000516144033.006bcf18@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 14:40:33 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Re: Ben's snip of quotes from May LRW(and my smart-assed comments...) In-Reply-To: <3921ba14.1fd.0@jps.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Paul, >> as income is concerned, and rather eccentric." -TerriAnn >I can't tell was that a compliment or..... ;-) Totally a compliment, I'm sure! Heaven forfend that any of us would wish to be (or be considered) "normal." That's akin to wanting to be mediocre. >>"We had one event where some Range Rover owners brought a pair of lopping >> shears so they could walk ahead of the car and clear the route," laughs Bruce > >No Comment.... Guilty as charged! I forgot them for Mendo and wished I had them in all the buckthorn on Indian Ridge. Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 16 18:56:46 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4GMukx21444 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 18:56:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200005162157.OAA23292@wizard.sp.gap.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 14:57:07 -0700 (PDT) From: John Young Subject: Re: May LRW To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: A9gVaIyh5tDBIuAXlGyyuw== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.3.3 SunOS 5.7 sun4u sparc Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anyone know a place in or near San Francisco to pick up the May issue of LRW? Alternatively, I would be up for mail-ordering it, if someone knows about that as well. Thanks, John Young 1999 Discovery Series II, ACE, SLS, Java Black From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 16 19:06:48 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4GN6ms21465 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 19:06:48 -0400 Message-ID: <00df01bfbf83$6c64f580$b6e0e2cd@us.superscape.com> From: "Peter Brophy" To: References: <200005162157.OAA23292@wizard.sp.gap.com> Subject: Re: May LRW Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 15:09:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 X-Info: Superscape, Inc. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Anyone know a place in or near San Francisco to pick up > the May issue of LRW? Alternatively, I would be up for > mail-ordering it, if someone knows about that as well. For what its worth, our local Borders in the South Bay doesn't have LRW in their catalogue but was able to pick it up at a Barnes and Noble. Cheers, Peter '67 SIIa 88 Hamish From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 16 19:07:12 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4GN7C621476 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 19:07:12 -0400 From: "Paul Archibald" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:09:45 GMT Subject: Re: May LRW X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <3921c729.2708.0@jps.net> X-User-Info: 216.49.48.59 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Barnes and Knoble usually has a few copies Also British Pacific... Paul > >Anyone know a place in or near San Francisco to pick up >the May issue of LRW? Alternatively, I would be up for >mail-ordering it, if someone knows about that as well. > >Thanks, >John Young >1999 Discovery Series II, ACE, SLS, Java Black > > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 16 19:24:55 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4GNOtl21521 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 19:24:55 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000516152722.006f1b2c@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 15:27:22 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Re: Yet more Mendo Pix In-Reply-To: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CDBF5@Rcexs2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave G wrote: >I added a trip report on the Mendo NAR to the Trail Reports page on >http://www.d-90.com . Nice work, Dave! I really like that format and, if I ever put up a website, will try to keep it in mind for trip reports. Thanks, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 16 20:52:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4H0q4F21670 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 20:52:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 16:35:58 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Okay...on binoculars...more than you wanted to know. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks, Gerry. I have always seen this from the viewpoint of the astronomer. It was nice to see it from another perspective. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 16 22:50:46 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4H2okN21831 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 22:50:46 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 16:58:00 -0800 Subject: Re: May LRW From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I don't think you have too much to worry about Bruce, but it may interest you to know that Spot is a typically equipped American D90... :) > Now I'm worried! :-) > > Anybody have a copy I can borrow? Who knows what I'm quoted as saying, or > what > I actually said for that matter. :-) > > Bruce From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 16 23:14:15 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4H3EFE21853 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 23:14:15 -0400 Message-ID: <392201DD.178E98F3@wenet.net> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 19:20:13 -0700 From: "Bruce R. Bonar" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: May LRW References: <200005160321.UAA20664@blackie.cruzers.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > I thought it was interesting seeing Spot > labeled as a typical US D90. You mean he not? BB From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 17 00:20:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4H4KLt22497 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 May 2000 00:20:21 -0400 From: "Worldwide Rovers" To: "Mendo_Recce@Moab. Off-Road." Subject: 109 for sale price Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 18:37:08 -0700 Message-ID: <000601bfbfa0$6a539b80$d12d0dce@com.humboldt1.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry, I was more tired than I thought. The price is $13,500 and $1,000 more for another top if you want it and Marc Hoffman comes through. BTW this is a great driving 109 and the difference (I think) is in the power steering and the diesel. Cheers Clark Bowen From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 17 03:28:38 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4H7Scj22805 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 May 2000 03:28:38 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mewgull@popd.ix.netcom.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 23:28:46 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: "G. Mugele" Subject: Re: Okay...on binoculars...more than you wanted to know. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Thanks, Gerry. I have always seen this from the viewpoint of the >astronomer. It was nice to see it from another perspective. Glad that it is appreciated. If anyone wants to discuss some specific binoculars or other aspects of optics I'm certainly often to an off-line discussion or to answer specific questions. When I first started learning about binoculars all the good published information available was biased to the astronomical perspective or for use at sea. This was not particularly useful for those planning to use 'em in the rain forest. Gerry Mugele From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 17 09:14:14 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4HDEEV23373 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 May 2000 09:14:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200005171222.FAA19717@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: Ben's snip of quotes from May LRW(and my smart-assed comments...) Date: Wed, 17 May 00 05:16:56 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >>> as income is concerned, and rather eccentric." -TerriAnn >>I can't tell was that a compliment or..... ;-) > >Totally a compliment, I'm sure! Heaven forfend that any of us would wish >to be (or be considered) "normal." That's akin to wanting to be mediocre. I always hate it when the quote is an unsupported sentence removed from the context of the paragraph & conversation. That sentence really needed the support of it's conversation to come out right. But then again, one of my life goals has been to become successfully eccentric. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 17 17:39:47 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4HLdlp24128 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 May 2000 17:39:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200005172041.NAA04523@scv3.apple.com> Subject: OT: Pods (Again) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:41:48 -0700 x-sender: Peterson@mail.mac.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Bob Peterson To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org And people think LRO's are nuts: http://www.allpodsgotoroswell.net/sponsorship/press_release.html Sounds like a damn good reason for a roadtrip to me....... BP ---------------------------------------------------------------------- B O B P E T E R S O N e-Mail: peterson@apple.com Portola Valley, California '95 RED 5-Speed (Now Rare!) Disco "Algernon" (650) 854-7600 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 17 18:50:10 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4HMoAe24234 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 May 2000 18:50:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200005172152.OAA03946@scv3.apple.com> Subject: Re: May LRW Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:52:40 -0700 x-sender: Peterson@mail.mac.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Bob Peterson To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >Anyone know a place in or near San Francisco to pick up >the May issue of LRW? Alternatively, I would be up for >mail-ordering it, if someone knows about that as well. > I just bought mine at Barnes and Noble on Stevens Creek in San Jose, but I had to dig. The May issues were hidden behind a stack of unsold Aprils. I've seen LRW at other Barnes and Nobles. But $8.95 each! Damn. BP ---------------------------------------------------------------------- B O B P E T E R S O N e-Mail: peterson@apple.com Portola Valley, California '95 RED 5-Speed (Now Rare!) Disco "Algernon" (650) 854-7600 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 17 18:54:19 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4HMsJp24247 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 May 2000 18:54:19 -0400 Message-ID: From: Matt Wilson To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: rebuilding front brake cylinders Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:56:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rusty is needs to stop!! I am planing on rebuilding the front brake cylinders on my series three this weekend. The talk on the lunch bench was that it would be a lot easier if I had a Girling brake tool specifically to reattach the return springs. I have never seen one of these tools but from the description " a tapered shaft with a hole in the end and notch to hold the spring". You place the spring end in the notch. Place the hole on the end of the stud on the brake backing plate, and as you lever the shaft over. The spring slides down onto the stud. This sounds a lot better than a pair of pliers and screw driver. My question is could someone describe the dimensions of this tool I have a machine shop and cold fabricate it easily Shaft dia ? shaft length? Size of center drill in the end? And the depth of the notch.? Thanks Matt W From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 17 19:03:02 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4HN32K24263 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 May 2000 19:03:02 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CDC27@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: rebuilding front brake cylinders Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:10:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Not sure of exactly the tool you're describing, but it sounds a lot like one of the "arms" on the Craftsman combination brake tool pliers I have. I didn't use it in the manner you described, though. I had my best luck with attaching the springs to the shoes and THEN pulling the shoes into place on the cylinder and pivot pin. I did use part of the Craftsman tool to lever the shoes around, after the springs were attached. Okay, fire away....I'm ready to hear how I totally trashed the springs over stretching them.....I don't think so....do what you will..... -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 17 19:23:48 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4HNNmi24310 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 May 2000 19:23:48 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000517152609.006eb198@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:26:09 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Re: rebuilding front brake cylinders In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Matt, >a Girling brake tool specifically to reattach the return springs. I have never >seen one of these tools but from the description " a tapered shaft with a hole >in the end and notch to hold the spring". I agree with Dave that an ordinary set of combo brake pliers should suffice. That's all I ever used and don't recall any particular problems. Do pay close attention to how the springs all mount because you can get 'em wrong and not see anything amiss. Don't trust that they are installed correctly now, either. Carefully compare how everything is assembled now with detailed illustrations in your manuals. I can't recall the actual details myself because it's been a few years since I last did it. I also recommend that you take a close look at the price of new wheel cylinders and see if that wouldn't be affordable. Have fun, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 17 20:17:28 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4I0HSd24390 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 May 2000 20:17:28 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:01:19 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: Mendo list Subject: Overheat? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This morning, I went to work at 5 am so I could come home early to finish fixing the air conditioning on our Range Rover. We are going to Phoenix this weekend, and it is too hot for me down there. When I got home, I realized I needed to get a part from the store, so I took the RR. Got halfway there when I noticed the temperature gauge was next to the red zone. So, I stopped, let it cool off for half an hour, and went home. The gauge slowly climbed to the red zone again by the time I got home (about 2 miles). I got my new air conditioning thermometer out and put it on the side of the radiator. 120F. So, I removed the fill plug on top of the radiator, and put the thermometer in the hole. 175F. I turned the engine on, and the temp went to 183F and stayed there. The needle on the gauge was near the red zone again. I let it run for 10 minutes, and things stayed the same. Got out my DMM, and measured some things. Volts on the battery were 14.0, volts across the temperature sender were 3ish, and ohms across the sender with the engine off were 34. Hopefully, this is a bad sender. The gauge has never gone past 1/2 way before. I don't like the idea of going to Phoenix with a bad sender, and there is no way to get one by Friday. Comments? James From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed May 17 20:17:54 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4I0HsE24401 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 May 2000 20:17:54 -0400 Message-ID: From: Matt Wilson To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: rebuilding front brake cylinders Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:20:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks for the advice guy's. It probbably would take longer to make the tool then to change out the wheel cylinders. But when you eat lunch on the bench any thing seams possible. Also I will check the drawings. Matt W -----Original Message----- From: Granville Pool [SMTP:gpool@pacific.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 3:26 PM To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: rebuilding front brake cylinders Matt, >a Girling brake tool specifically to reattach the return springs. I have never >seen one of these tools but from the description " a tapered shaft with a hole >in the end and notch to hold the spring". I agree with Dave that an ordinary set of combo brake pliers should suffice. That's all I ever used and don't recall any particular problems. Do pay close attention to how the springs all mount because you can get 'em wrong and not see anything amiss. Don't trust that they are installed correctly now, either. Carefully compare how everything is assembled now with detailed illustrations in your manuals. I can't recall the actual details myself because it's been a few years since I last did it. I also recommend that you take a close look at the price of new wheel cylinders and see if that wouldn't be affordable. Have fun, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu May 18 01:00:36 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4I50aZ25273 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 May 2000 01:00:36 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200005172041.NAA04523@scv3.apple.com> References: <200005172041.NAA04523@scv3.apple.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 21:00:21 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: john hess Subject: Re: OT: Pods (Again) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org pods? they call new bugs PODS? That's yucky. Did you get the URL from Macnn? cheers, >And people think LRO's are nuts: > > http://www.allpodsgotoroswell.net/sponsorship/press_release.html > >Sounds like a damn good reason for a roadtrip to me....... > >BP > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >B O B P E T E R S O N e-Mail: peterson@apple.com > >Portola Valley, California >'95 RED 5-Speed (Now Rare!) Disco "Algernon" > >(650) 854-7600 >---------------------------------------------------------------------- John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu May 18 02:26:44 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4I6Qin25405 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 May 2000 02:26:44 -0400 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Overheat? Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:35:27 -0700 Message-ID: <000201bfc08a$df8f6600$b105193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mine's doing the same thing. I hope it's the sender, but it might be a stuck thermostat... sigh. Later, Kelly Minnick > This morning, I went to work at 5 am so I could come home early to finish > fixing the air conditioning on our Range Rover. We are going to Phoenix > this weekend, and it is too hot for me down there. > > When I got home, I realized I needed to get a part from the store, so I > took the RR. Got halfway there when I noticed the temperature gauge was > next to the red zone. So, I stopped, let it cool off for half an hour, > and went home. The gauge slowly climbed to the red zone again by the time > I got home (about 2 miles). > > I got my new air conditioning thermometer out and put it on the side of > the radiator. 120F. So, I removed the fill plug on top of the radiator, > and put the thermometer in the hole. 175F. I turned the engine on, and > the temp went to 183F and stayed there. The needle on the gauge was near > the red zone again. I let it run for 10 minutes, and things stayed the > same. > > Got out my DMM, and measured some things. Volts on the battery were 14.0, > volts across the temperature sender were 3ish, and ohms across the sender > with the engine off were 34. > > Hopefully, this is a bad sender. The gauge has never gone past 1/2 way > before. I don't like the idea of going to Phoenix with a bad sender, and > there is no way to get one by Friday. > > Comments? > > James > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu May 18 05:11:38 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4I9BcA25583 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 May 2000 05:11:38 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 01:14:26 -0700 From: Jonathan Scott Kerry-Tyerman Subject: Carburetor problems To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Message-id: <015901bfc0a1$15698dd0$a66ac43f@JONIQUE> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <000201bfc08a$df8f6600$b105193f@minnick> X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've been having problems with Mabel's carb and I'm looking for suggestions. She has a Rochester Model B, which has been leaking small amounts of petrol, causing bad smells in the cab (thanks John Hess for the diagnosis). Recently, the engine began to idle lower and lower the longer it ran, eventually sputtering some smoke from the tailpipe and stalling, if the revs were let too low. I suspected that the float was somehow punctured and sinking in the bowl of the carb, but when I dissasembled it, the floats showed no signs of damage. Is it likely that the hole would be visible? Can I test the bouyancy in some other fluid? Is there something else that could be causing this? humbling myself before the wise, Jon From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu May 18 11:01:42 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4IF1gU25934 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 May 2000 11:01:42 -0400 Message-ID: <16D03631929FD311BC5D009027D0CBB2175829@vegmail.ucdavis.edu> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Carburetor problems Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 07:10:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Your Floats may look perfectly fine, but the test is was there any gas in them? SHake them, can you hear gas? If they are sinking, gas will leak out the accelerator pump linkage as the carb floods. This carb is very easy to rebuild for around $12. Do it. -Rob -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Scott Kerry-Tyerman [mailto:jskt@ucdavis.edu] Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 1:14 AM To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Carburetor problems I've been having problems with Mabel's carb and I'm looking for suggestions. She has a Rochester Model B, which has been leaking small amounts of petrol, causing bad smells in the cab (thanks John Hess for the diagnosis). Recently, the engine began to idle lower and lower the longer it ran, eventually sputtering some smoke from the tailpipe and stalling, if the revs were let too low. I suspected that the float was somehow punctured and sinking in the bowl of the carb, but when I dissasembled it, the floats showed no signs of damage. Is it likely that the hole would be visible? Can I test the bouyancy in some other fluid? Is there something else that could be causing this? humbling myself before the wise, Jon From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu May 18 12:03:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4IG3PW26030 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 May 2000 12:03:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200005181505.IAA28123@scv3.apple.com> Subject: Re: OT: Pods (Again) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 08:05:36 -0700 x-sender: Peterson@mail.mac.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Bob Peterson To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >pods? they call new bugs PODS? That's yucky. > >Did you get the URL from Macnn? Yep - Their touting their use of Macs - as quicktime servers, iBook portables, etc. Our AirPort kinda looks like a mother ship too... BP ---------------------------------------------------------------------- B O B P E T E R S O N e-Mail: peterson@apple.com Portola Valley, California '95 RED 5-Speed (Now Rare!) Disco "Algernon" (650) 854-7600 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu May 18 13:16:42 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4IHGg026199 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 May 2000 13:16:42 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 11:19:14 -0500 From: nicholas harteau To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: sighting! Message-ID: <20000518111914.D8187@execpc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org http://www.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/africa/05/18/sierra.leone.01/index.html military d110? -- nicholas harteau nrh@voyager.net networks and facilities voyager.net corporation From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu May 18 15:15:48 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4IJFmv26316 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 May 2000 15:15:48 -0400 Message-ID: <20000518181803.11626.qmail@nwcst294.netaddress.usa.net> Date: 18 May 00 12:18:03 MDT From: jjp4 To: Subject: 101 lookalike X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM1.4.02C) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by moab.off-road.com id LAA11431 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org There is a vehicle near Sutter Creek that looks like a 101 but if I remember correctly (old age) its a PUCH. Its for sale if anyone is interested. I did not see a price on it, cosmeticly it looked good. Joe ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu May 18 16:12:13 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4IKCDm26460 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 May 2000 16:12:13 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bfc0fd$c8b7a280$7500000a@kkelly6788> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Re: May LRW Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:36:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John Young wrote: >Anyone know a place in or near San Francisco to >pick up the May issue of LRW? The only place in the city I have found that sells LRW is Smoke Signals at 2223 Polk Street (Between Green and Vallejo). Kevin Kelly From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu May 18 17:04:33 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4IL4Xq26699 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 May 2000 17:04:33 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:05:47 -0700 (PDT) From: john hess To: Mendo List Subject: Re: May LRW In-Reply-To: <000401bfc0fd$c8b7a280$7500000a@kkelly6788> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I bought the may LRW at NewsBeat in Davis for $8.99 They have two copies left, which I will buy for folks if they need/want. john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 19 02:50:46 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4J6ok728193 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 19 May 2000 02:50:46 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000518225253.006ba044@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:52:53 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Granny's (Long) Mendo IV--Part I Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mendo VI--Part I: A Quiet Trip (Almost) For this year's Mendo trip, I had every intention that I'd head to Cedar Camp on Friday. I'd round up a few likelies or go there alone. In camp on Saturday morning, I'd surely find a few willing suspects to go explore Indian Ridge. As those of you who weren't even able to attend this year know so well, plans have a way of changing. My son Bennett and his little family were all going to go in their Toyota 4Runner but Bennett found that he was going to have to go alone. He had to work Friday so I decided to wait until Saturday AM so we could ride together. We hadn't done that since Mendo I! I thought, too, that waiting until Saturday AM would grant us the priviledge of convoying with John Brabyn. His plans changed too and he could not join us this year. Ah, well. By Saturday morning, we'd managed to round up local Nathan Tucker of Ukiah in his '90 RR County, along with his girlfriend Neida and her young son Max. In addition, we had the good luck to join up with our new friend Frans Schulte-Bisping and two of his daughters, Christine and wee Marie. They hale from Philo and drive a '98 D110tdi in dark green livery. Bennett and I climbed aboard Ziggy, our '92 RR, and off we went. We headed out Highway 20 as far as Upper Lake, where we stopped for petrol and other supplies. We left the highway and headed north on Elk Mountain Road (M1) to Bear Creek Road (M10). We'd hoped to see glorious dogwoods in bloom and we did, though not nearly in the numbers I'd remembered from previous years. About then we met local LRO Bill McDow heading out, driving his latest acquisition, a blue Series II 109 diesel that looked like a 110 from the front. Bill was heading home to pick up his wife and return to join us at Cedar Camp. He certainly admired Frans's tdi and had to be comforted a lot over his anquish at not having one. I imagine that Frans runs into that a lot. We crossed the infamous ford of the Rice Fork of the Eel River and found it as tame as ever was. We circled the wagons for tiffen under the trees at the packers' staging area near Bear Creek Camp. Frans was suffering a squirming little one (Marie is only three and tired of this fun quickly). They headed for home after lunch. I think Frans was sad to have to forego meeting everyone and wants to plan to join us on future outings. Now we were only the two Range Rovers. We backtracked slightly to cross Bear Creek on 17N16, to head toward Goat Mountain. I considered taking a very circuitous route to camp, via Crabtree Hot Springs, etc. (on 17N04), but decided to be a bit more realistic and continue toward Youngs Corral and Goat Mountain on 17N16 and 17N26. I will note here that the latest OHV trail maps from the Upper Lake and Grindstone (Stonyford) don't quite meet at their borders; there's a gap of about 2.5 miles with no coverage (an opportunity to get creative?). In any case, we didn't stray from the main forest roads for a while. But why drive Range Rovers if we don't plan to stray, eh? I was actually looking for a trail that I recall as unmarked on the maps that a few of us took on a recce a few years ago, the one where Ben's Dora caught fire half-way up a steep hill and Eric said, "Oh, goody!" or the equivalent and rolled up his sleeves. He gets bored unless someone breaks down or gets hopelessly stuck. We didn't find that trail but we did find a fun one that was even a bit more challenging. It was an OHV trail that had recently been graded by the trail cat but was still plenty challenging for our large vehicles. If you look at your Stonyford/Grindstone Area OHV Guide, near the left edge, at the intersection of 17N13 and 16N18, you'll see that there's a section of Trail 04 that's about 1.7 or so miles long, runs southeasterly from that intersection, and more or less parallels 16N18. That's the one we took. I hope Nathan got a few good photos of some of this because I had no film. It wound steeply up onto a sparcely wooded rocky ridge and then followed the ridge. In order to make room for our wide vehicles, we had to do a bit of chainsaw and shovel work along the way and depart (undamagingly--honestly!) from the ATV route a time or two. Bennett was a real trooper all weekend, doing most of the chainsawing and other grunt work. Oh, to have such energy! After we'd climbed the first big, steep winding hill and got to a place where we could pull off and get out of the way of the motorcycles, we discovered that Nathan had lost a right rear bumper end-cap along the way. Bennett volunteered to run (yes, run) back down the hill we had just barely climbed, to look for it. Of course it was at the very beginning of the trail. He ran back up and still had more energy left than Nathan and I had, just watching! Near the top of the ridge, I lost my right rear bumper end-cap as well. I later studied it and can see some merit to having it as a breakaway design but it should be made to simply snap back on, sort of like a breakaway interior rear-view mirror. Putting mine back is going to be a bit of a chore. There was a good-sized tree across the trail that had been left there. The trail cleared for the dirt bikes and ATVs bypassed it by going higher on the hillside, through some trees. That bypass was too narrow for our wide-bodies so we had to do a little trail surgery to reopen the original route. We did the minimum, of course, to keep things ATVish. I went through the pass we made, hugging the high side, to allow room to lean downhill without remodeling the body side on the large rock outcrop that awaited on the downhill side. Ziggy and I got pretty dramatically side-hill but made it through okay. I watched Nathan come through with no drama. He kindly claimed that he learned by watching me. Hmmm, I guess I can at least serve as a bad example. At the very top of the ridge, the trail goes through a sort of pass. We managed to find room to stop there without completely blocking the trail and climbed up onto a big rock outcropping (schist, I think). Up there, the views were about as good as any I've seen in Mendocino Forest. Visibility was not the best but we could see all over the forest, Mount Shasta, and a bit of the Sierras (air was pretty fuzzy in that direction). A great place for trail's end vapour locke! Okay, so it wasn't quite the end of the trail. While we were near the end, we kept seeing two Jeeps wandering around on the forest roads below. It turns out that one of the Jeeps belonged to Mike and Peety (from my office) who showed up at Cedar Camp later. When we got back to 16N18, we encountered our first and only patch of snow. I could see that others had gotten in trouble there, trying to run over the snowdrift and sliding off the lower side of the road, into the trees. We'd do the same, for sure. So we dug away a lot of snow and, at Bennett's suggestion, made a track for our right-hand wheels. This worked like a charm and brought us to the turn-off for the dead-end road (16N03) up to the Goat Mountain lookout. I was tempted but wanted to head to camp to get set up. We headed down 17N18 to connect with the M5. I'm glad we continued because our timing was perfect! We reached the crossing of Trail 03, just as Bruce and Steph were heading onto it, to short-cut down to M5. There was a long line of other Rovers on the trail, not yet across our road. They seemed to be sitting there, deciding whether or not to follow Bruce. I thought we would. Ben Smith said that it was a pretty steep trail. That cinched it and we cut into line right behind Bruce. That IS a nice little trail! More Rovers followed while some went the long way around. We reassembled at the bottom, on the M5, and headed for Cedar Camp. We didn't go far before we found Zack and the Ernests on a firewood gathering excursion. The back of Zack's 109 was full of wood and they were contriving to strap a great stump (root ball and all) in the open back doorway. They must have been expecting the Three Bad Men to show up that night at camp to feed the fire! At last we arrived at a Cedar Camp quite full of Rovers. Even so, we found a nice spot to set up next to Joe, Patti, Mackie, and Zack. Joe and Patti are consumate campers and had one of the camp's few picnic tables, overlooking the stream. Some hardy soul was down there, stripped to the waist, bathing off the trail dust. Bennett tried it just for washing his feet and said it was so cold it caused a cramp in his foot. I passed. Bennett and I hurriedly set up our camp and started preparing hors d'oervres. The famous PotLuck was about to begin! Potluck Central, of course would have to be across the creek. Why is it that every time I cleverly camp close to where the potluck was centered the previous year, it turns out to be at the opposite end of camp from where it's centered this year? Nevertheless, our choice of camp spot turned out to be most salubrious. When I returned from putting hors d'oervres on the table, I found everyone around our campsite drinking gin & tonic. G&Ts in the wilderness? What a fine group this is! Mind you--not just any G&Ts! Ben Mitchell had his giant pickup parked right by Zack's 109 (close to us, you see) and was raising the bar (ahem!) on the concept of a tailgate party. He had a large jug of Bombay Sapphire (my fave!) and a iced cooler full of tonic water. Limes for those who care to pollute the fine gin. Yes, even plenty of chipped ice! Now, I don't know about you but, in my book, that's proper living. After G&Ts, we sauntered back over to potluck central, opened a bottle of Zin, and dug in. Some amazing food was on offer, as usual! Zack brought roast pheasant and the Dowlings had caught a parcel of trout at Letts Lake that were cooked to perfection. Bennett and I split one and I can say with some authority that I've never tasted finer! So incredibly delicate when truly fresh--Ahhh!! We ate and drank as usual and then drank and smoked seegars a while longer. Just about the time that I was getting bored with the wine selection, the estimable Chris Dow put a most generous dram of Glenmorangie in my hand. Better and better! As others have said better than I can, we all had a grand time, once again. Alas, though, there were no Three Bad Men. Also no Eric, no Jeremy. Those who were present seemed surprisingly subdued. I think this might have been the quietest MendoSaturdayNight yet. What are we doing here, kids, growing up? If so, stop it right now! We don't even seem to need the DenMother any more. It's sad, really. I turned in at the ridiculously early hour of 1:00 AM and slept soundly. Just in case anyone had any misbegotten notion of sleeping in: On the dot of 7:00 AM, when I was semi-awake, I started to hear a strange droning noise. Bagpipes? I swear I did think that, before Zack let the first finger release a squawking notaNote! I thought, hey, this is cool! That was before the cold realization set in that no actual tune was forthcoming. Skirl, the term for that gawdawful cacohony is skirl! Needless to say, camp came awake pretty quickly after that. Some who were suffering proper hangovers were less appreciative of Zack's efforts than was I. Oh, well. After Joe's coffee and a box of doughnuts, we progressed to a proper and leisurely breakfast. We took our time with cleaning up and packing. Before we were all packed up, Bill McDow and his wife showed up--a bit late (shades of Charles Irvin last year). It seems that, for all that Bill has crawled all over the forest over the years, he didn't know exactly where Cedar Camp lay. He relied on the USFS map and was misled, as anyone could be, to think that Cedar Camp lay on the road to Goat Mountain lookout, up on the ridge above camp. Simply sloppy map making in terms of how the icon and text label were placed. Too damned bad! They really did try to join us on Saturday night but exhausted their daylight exploring every dead-end trail on the ridge. They had to spend the night up there and wander down in the morning. Bummer! Now at least they do know where to find us next year. Looking around camp: There were the usual problems to sort out. I forgot to mention in Saturday's story that Nathan's RR was having running problems on the steep climbs on Trail 04. He had to keep his momentum up or starve out (or some equivalent thereof) and was in trouble if he had to stop on much of an upslope. So Sunday AM he was trying to sort that out and of course was getting all the free advice he could afford! His problem was not resolved before we left camp so he nearly decided not to join us in our outbound explorations. In the end, since our planned route would be mostly downhill and he was keen to be in the company of other vehicles in case of an actual breakdown, he did join us. We were glad! David Tong was wandering around camp with a more personal crisis, a very irritated eye. David has just joined our ranks as a Series III 88 owner. He came up from So. Cal., riding shotgun for another LRO this trip. It's okay, David, there were plenty of Series vehicles in camp this year, perhaps the best turnout ever. There were even four (count 'em!) 101FCs, including Rudy Samuels's rare Vampire radio-body model and Ben Smith's prototype reunited with its (Tom Walsh's) Rubery-Owen powered trailer. Alexander climbed a pine tree with admirable verve and dexterity to photograph the four 101s lined up (about fourteen others covered all the ground angles). Meanwhile, David was nursing a very hurting eye. I gave him some eyedrops then remembered that we had a doctor in camp. I took David across the creek to meet Rich Lee. While Rich was studying David's eye, Rudy's dad Michael came up and offered his comments as well. Another doctor? Yep! That made three for the weekend, including Frans (a psychiatrist--the specialty we probably need the most!). In Part II, we hit the trail for home. Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 19 13:34:35 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4JHYZ229199 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 19 May 2000 13:34:35 -0400 X-Sender: studios@cwnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: lro@playground.sun.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Michael Carradine Subject: Lucas Exorcism Message-Id: <20000519163703.RXWH22234.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 09:37:03 -0700 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Desk bound LR wizards, We're trying to get a '72 Series III started. It has an optical electronic ignition system installed. Turning the ignition key the first time, nothing happened, so we turned the motor with a crank. After that the ignition key got the starter going but it wouldn't turn off. The relay started smoking, and we disconnected the battery to get it to stop. After replacing the relay with a new one and connecting the battery again, the ignition light was on in the left two OFF positions. We hand turned the crank again, now the ignition lights go OFF in the first two positions, and come ON in the right two positions (ON and STARTER - normal setup) but the key will not kick in the starter. Bridging the large contacts on the relay gets the starter going, but it will not operate with the key. Next try the ingnition lights came on in the first two OFF positions again, repeating the process. Seems the electrical is totally screwed up on this vehicle. Does the electronic ignition have something to do with the reversing the circuits so that the ignition light comes on when it should be off? Does the electronic trigger keep the ignition on as long as the paddle blocks off the optical trigger - same as points closed for the duration of the paddle travel? Or, does it just fire off the coil at the moment of first contact and then proceed to recharge the coil immediatly? For the next try we thought of getting the motor turning again with the starter and checking for spark with a strobe light. Maybe conventional points and condensor should be reinstalled to eliminate the electronic ignition module? Ideas and insights much appreciated, -Michael From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 19 14:06:05 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4JI65H29238 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 19 May 2000 14:06:05 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000519100748.007db670@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:07:48 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: Lucas Exorcism In-Reply-To: <20000519163703.RXWH22234.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a > Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Michael, I don't know S3 switch connections or positions, But the red light that comes on is probably the charge warning light and it has nothing to do with the distributor type. It says that there is 12v getting through the switch at that position. If there is a circuit active with the key on, the light will come on until the alternator is charging. If the solenoid is not activating, there must be something wrong with the circuit from the battery through the keyswitch to the solenoid. If your solenoid has one small connection then it is the one that activates the solenoid. You can apply 12v to the small connection from the battery and the solenoid should activate and this should activate the starter. It's a lot less sparkier than shorting the big connections. Basically what you are describing sounds like the switch must be gone bad inside. Try to hot wire the distributor then hot wire the soleniod as I described and it should start. I also don't know the hookup for that type of ignition but it must have an input connection thet you can activate it with. Then crank it and check for spark if necessary. If it was here in my yard, I'd have it running in a few minutes. On a series 2a you can hook a jumper between the two fuses, and then activate the starter and it will go. Probably on the S3 there is a fuse that is hot all the time like for the dome light, and there will be a fuse that is hot only with the key on. You hook these together and you have bypassed the ignition switch, now you only need to activate the solenoid. Goog luck, or Good questions, Bob B At 09:37 AM 5/19/2000 -0700, you wrote: > > Desk bound LR wizards, > > We're trying to get a '72 Series III started. It has an > optical electronic ignition system installed. Turning the > ignition key the first time, nothing happened, so we turned > the motor with a crank. After that the ignition key got the > starter going but it wouldn't turn off. The relay started > smoking, and we disconnected the battery to get it to stop. > > After replacing the relay with a new one and connecting the > battery again, the ignition light was on in the left two OFF > positions. We hand turned the crank again, now the ignition > lights go OFF in the first two positions, and come ON in the > right two positions (ON and STARTER - normal setup) but the > key will not kick in the starter. Bridging the large contacts > on the relay gets the starter going, but it will not operate > with the key. Next try the ingnition lights came on in the > first two OFF positions again, repeating the process. > > Seems the electrical is totally screwed up on this vehicle. > Does the electronic ignition have something to do with the > reversing the circuits so that the ignition light comes on > when it should be off? Does the electronic trigger keep the > ignition on as long as the paddle blocks off the optical > trigger - same as points closed for the duration of the > paddle travel? Or, does it just fire off the coil at the > moment of first contact and then proceed to recharge the > coil immediatly? > > For the next try we thought of getting the motor turning > again with the starter and checking for spark with a strobe > light. Maybe conventional points and condensor should be > reinstalled to eliminate the electronic ignition module? > > Ideas and insights much appreciated, > >-Michael > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 19 14:23:34 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4JINYU29262 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 19 May 2000 14:23:34 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:37:05 -0800 From: "Granny" X-Mailer: EMURL 2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Monroe Kinetic Suspension Message-ID: <0519100103705.0.10164549@nt-1.pacific.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Pete Bradley posted this to the Ibex list: More news of Kinetic from World Off Road: -------------------------------------< Reducing the risk of roll-overs Following a number of recent accidents involving roll-overs, Tenneco Automotive has launched the Monroe Kinetic suspension system for passenger cars and 4x4 vehicles. The system ensures a near-constant load on all four wheels, regardless of the surface conditions and claims to seriously reduce the roll angle of a vehicle when cornering and improve both on and off-road performance and control without compromising on driving comfort. Following thorough tests in extreme conditions in Western Australia, vehicles fitted with the new system were shown to perform far better than conventionally sprung vehicles, with a reduction in single-wheel stiffness. The Monroe Kinetic system features proprietary and patented connections between vehicle springs, combined with hydraulic actuators integrated into stabiliser bars. Kinetic components operate without the need for input from sensors, electronics or from the driver. Sandro Paparelli, Tenneco Automotive's European vice president responsible for ride control engineering explains the system. "When Monroe Kinetic is fitted, fluid flows from front to rear, and the hydraulic support and roll stabilisation system smoothes out any imbalances, automatically maintaining near equal load pressure on the wheels at all times. Kinetic technology also allows the motion of a single wheel to be isolated from the roll movement - improving ride smoothness and comfort when driving over rough terrain." (2/5/00) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 19 14:34:02 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4JIY2629282 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 19 May 2000 14:34:02 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:47:34 -0800 From: "Granny" X-Mailer: EMURL 2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Sighting in Magazine Message-ID: <0519100104734.0.10164549@nt-1.pacific.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi all, In yesterday's mail, I got a copy of the June 2000 issue of Peterson's Off-Road & Four-Wheel Drive magazine. No, I don't subscribe to it. Walt Ford of Santa Rosa, CA, sent it to me. He sent it because his rather stunning (and very top-heavy looking) '61 88" is featured in Reader's Rides (Page 18, as I recall). Walt is a new NCRC member who's not on this list. He sent me a bunch of photos, too. Several show the same 88 as it was, including the photo that was printed in the magazine. Some others show it now, all torn apart again (this critter has undergone many metamorphoses), this time for conversion to a stretched-out four-door station wagon. It appears to me that he's now got it on a chassis other than a Land-Rover. It's starting to look like a monster truck. Should be interesting when it's all done. To stretch the beast, it appears that he's canabalized parts from the roof, doors, etc. of a '74 Series III 88 (he bought both from me a few years ago). Those photos also show his latest acquisition, a Series IIA 88 softtop, which he's fitted with a 2.4-liter Volvo turbodiesel engine. Walt plans to join us as some NCRC outings, soon. Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 19 16:05:32 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4JK5W729446 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 19 May 2000 16:05:32 -0400 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:53:06 -0700 Subject: Re: Lucas Exorcism Message-ID: <20000519.120138.-118379.8.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-7,9-54 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Michael, I agree with the others - you definately wired something wrong. If the ignition you have is a Lumenition or a Petronix, keep it! Charles On Fri, 19 May 2000 09:37:03 -0700 Michael Carradine writes: > > Desk bound LR wizards, > > We're trying to get a '72 Series III started. It has an > optical electronic ignition system installed. Turning the > ignition key the first time, nothing happened, so we turned > the motor with a crank. After that the ignition key got the > starter going but it wouldn't turn off. The relay started > smoking, and we disconnected the battery to get it to stop. > > After replacing the relay with a new one and connecting the > battery again, the ignition light was on in the left two OFF > positions. We hand turned the crank again, now the ignition > lights go OFF in the first two positions, and come ON in the > right two positions (ON and STARTER - normal setup) but the > key will not kick in the starter. Bridging the large contacts > on the relay gets the starter going, but it will not operate > with the key. Next try the ingnition lights came on in the > first two OFF positions again, repeating the process. > > Seems the electrical is totally screwed up on this vehicle. > Does the electronic ignition have something to do with the > reversing the circuits so that the ignition light comes on > when it should be off? Does the electronic trigger keep the > ignition on as long as the paddle blocks off the optical > trigger - same as points closed for the duration of the > paddle travel? Or, does it just fire off the coil at the > moment of first contact and then proceed to recharge the > coil immediatly? > > For the next try we thought of getting the motor turning > again with the starter and checking for spark with a strobe > light. Maybe conventional points and condensor should be > reinstalled to eliminate the electronic ignition module? > > Ideas and insights much appreciated, > > -Michael > > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 19 23:38:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4K3cLh29924 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 19 May 2000 23:38:21 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000519193821.00804df0@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 19:38:21 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: sightings in Chico Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi All, Today while shopping in Chico, we saw a Range Rover that was a mildewed moss green, and a Discovery that was a very dark green kinda blackish compared to bronze green on the series. I'm wondering what the Disco color is? Could it be Conniston green? Anybody know? I haven't bought the paint for Olivia yet so picking this color might be cool. It'll cause me to have to paint more of Olivia in order to change the color, but it looks like it would be worth it. BTW anybody on the list??? ;>) Bob B From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri May 19 23:43:59 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4K3hxW29939 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 19 May 2000 23:43:59 -0400 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 19:41:02 -0700 Subject: Test... Message-ID: <20000519.194103.-118379.10.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Is this list working? Haven't seen ANY posts for hours... Charles "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat May 20 00:03:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4K43LF29993 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 20 May 2000 00:03:21 -0400 X-Sender: studios@cwnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: lro@playground.sun.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Michael Carradine Subject: Re: Lucas Exorcism Message-Id: <20000520030541.HSMU22234.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 20:05:41 -0700 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 10:53 AM 5/19/00 -0700, you wrote: >I agree with the others - you definately wired something wrong. >If the ignition you have is a Lumenition, keep it! Thank you Bob B, Alan R, Charles I, and Trevor E for the rapid reponse and ideas you've given us. We've checked them out and discovered the red-and-white wire to the starter had come loose on the Series III. Clipped it back on, everything including the Lumenition works, idles like a sewing machine, Lucas has fled, all is well!! In gratitude, -Michael Carradine From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat May 20 02:05:06 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4K656H30700 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 20 May 2000 02:05:06 -0400 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Overheat? Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 22:13:53 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bfc21a$312c7a80$4d05193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I got my sending unit (PRC7918 for the 3.9L engine) from British Pacific today. This is the aftermarket version from "All-Makes" and cost $13.11. It comes with the sealing washer. Here is the resistances that I measured on my old and the new unit at about 80 degrees F ambient: New - 439 ohms Old - 249 ohms I replaced the lame part in question (18mm wrench - tight fit, too. I used a 3/8" drive with a swivel to get the old one out) and low and behold, I have no more heating problem... Now, which one is correct?... Have fun James... There are IR Inferometers for around $100 (Cole-Parmer, etc.) which would tell how hot the thing really is.. Later, Kelly Minnick > > > > This morning, I went to work at 5 am so I could come home early to finish > fixing the air conditioning on our Range Rover. We are going to Phoenix > this weekend, and it is too hot for me down there. > > When I got home, I realized I needed to get a part from the store, so I > took the RR. Got halfway there when I noticed the temperature gauge was > next to the red zone. So, I stopped, let it cool off for half an hour, > and went home. The gauge slowly climbed to the red zone again by the time > I got home (about 2 miles). > > I got my new air conditioning thermometer out and put it on the side of > the radiator. 120F. So, I removed the fill plug on top of the radiator, > and put the thermometer in the hole. 175F. I turned the engine on, and > the temp went to 183F and stayed there. The needle on the gauge was near > the red zone again. I let it run for 10 minutes, and things stayed the > same. > > Got out my DMM, and measured some things. Volts on the battery were 14.0, > volts across the temperature sender were 3ish, and ohms across the sender > with the engine off were 34. > > Hopefully, this is a bad sender. The gauge has never gone past 1/2 way > before. I don't like the idea of going to Phoenix with a bad sender, and > there is no way to get one by Friday. > > Comments? > > James > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat May 20 02:34:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4K6YTD30725 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 20 May 2000 02:34:29 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000519223624.006e970c@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 22:36:24 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Granny's (Long) Mendo VI--Part II In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mendo VI--Part II: Sunday Drive, Lazy-Bugger Style: Eventually we got together a convoy of late-blooming Lazy-Buggers for a quest to find the alternate southerly route out to Bartlett Springs Road. The "M5" route to Hough Springs, along the easterly slope of Spanish Ridge (that some of us tried to use to get to camp last year) worked for several homeward-bound Lazy-Buggers this year. Not that one for us, though. We managed an intrepid assembly of three RRs (Alexander's, Nathan's, and mine) and three Discos (Rich Lee's, Dave Gomes's, and John Young's shiny black Series II). We formed up and then I remembered that I didn't know whether or not Michael and Rudy had decided to join us. I went to check and found that they'd departed with another group. Our route was the "other" M5 as shown on the 1997 OHV trail map, the one down Indian Ridge to Bartlett Springs Road, ending at the non-existent Barkerville, at Indian Valley Reservoir. A little history: I believe others had tried to find that route from the south end in the past but am not aware of anyone who had actually taken it. In January, following a day of trail clearing on Trails 02 and 21, the two NCRC trail crews shared a late lunch at the junction of the trails. When it was time to head for home, it was still fairly early (about 3:30 PM I think). I wanted to try to find and follow the Indian Ridge route and talked the intrepid desert rat, John Brabyn into accompanying me. Alexander wanted in as well. As it turned out, all but Jeremy joined us. We retraced our way up Trail 02 to the M5, then cruised through Cedar Camp to see the new paved access road (the spiffy new restroom was not yet installed). We continued past the turn-off to Goat Mountain Road, continuing on the M5. We continued to where the signed M5 route still turns off to wander down the side of Spanish Ridge. We passed that intersection to continue on Pacific Ridge, following Trail 01 along 16N06, shown on the 1997 trail map as the M5. Hmmm, I just discovered that that was probably an error because the 1999 trail map of the area shows the M5 back on the route to Hough Springs. How's that for maps that cause confusion! I must have been using my '97 map in January. On that occasion, we got as far as Pacific Point, where Trail 01 heads off to Lovelady Ridge along 16N28. The days were short then and it was now late enough and the road unpromising enough that most turned back to take the well-known route out to Lodoga. John, Alexander, and I pressed on. We veered right, staying on 16N06, heading to Kanaka Glade. The first part of the trail was pretty rough, cobbly stuff, that reminded me of some green lanes in the north of England. It would probably be pretty bone-jarring in a Series 88, not to mention in a cart-sprung 101FC. Eventually it smoothed out some as we came out on the high glade, in the open. The continuing trail below us was becoming fog-shrouded as the day was fading. We stopped, reluctantly considering turning back ourselves. What we faced was unknown and we had little light left with which to deal with it. About that time, a dirt biker rode up, coming from the opposite direction. I stopped him for questioning. He had taken one branch of the trail all the way up from Bartlett Springs Road. I asked about its passability. He looked at our Range Rovers and seemed doubtful. I told him that we'd just done Big Sullivan (never mind that we hadn't done it all). He said, yeah, well, I reckon you could do it but there's a big tree across, quite a way down. I said, no problem, as we have chainsaws and have been doing trail clearing. He said, Dang, where were you when we needed you? He mentioned that the route they taken (another biker had ridden up by then) was the more westerly branch. He thought that the more easterly branch might be easier but he'd not yet tried it himself. We thanked him and conferred among ourselves. We decided that discretion was the better part of valour and turned around to take Goat Mtn. Rd. to Lodoga, vowing to return to explore another day, probably at Mendo VI in April. Returning now to our April group, here we were (minus Dr. Brabyn) and away we went. In fact, it was mostly quite easy going as we barreled along. We soon met a Chevy Sonoma pickup heading up toward us, carrying two dirt bikes in the back! Again, I stopped them for questioning. They had just come up from Bartlett Springs Road, following the more easterly branch and frequently used the road. Yes, it's an easy route. I rather gathered so, if they used it to haul pickup-loads of dirt bikes. We conintued until we got to a high peak, on which the ridge forked, presenting us with the two routes. As far as we could see down the easterly branch, the road was far too tame. Boring. We looked at the other branch. It appeared to have not been used by anything but dirt bikes and ATVs for a long time. John Young spoke for all of us: We were overqualified for the road we'd been taking and presumably for the rest of the east branch. We opted for the unknown, with that tree waiting for us down there somewhere. We found a few ruts that required a little finesse, a few short, steep bits, and a lot of encroaching buckthorn brush to make me wonder if John was back there eating his words. We had to cut a few small trees out of the road before we got to the big one. The fallen trees were a result of the area's having been burned a few years ago, probably in the "Fork" fire. I have said before and was reminded vividly this time: Burned-over landscapes have a bleak beauty of their own. I stopped the convoy later to admire one particularly pituresque burned area that fairly begged for a TeriAnn visitation with the large-format camera and tripod. The big tree was indeed still there and appeared to have been so for a few years. We found a well-used bypass that looked pretty fun, with a rather steep downslope exit back to the main trail. Most wanted to take the bypass, I think, but I felt an obligation or inclination to clear away the tree, too. So we did both! With Bennett on the saw and many willing hands to drag and toss branches and limbs over the side as they were cut, it didn't take long to get clear the road. Then we took the bypass and it didn't seem quite as challenging from the driver's seat as it had when we scouted it on foot. Once we got back onto the main trail, we had to negotiate our worst-yet rutted section that could get us stuck if we took the wrong line and let a wheel drop into a rut. All of us straddled it successfully. As I was first through, I was parked well downhill, far below the rutted section. From my somewhat distant vantage, it appeared to me that last-through John in the Disco II had some trouble at the bottom of the bypass and maybe nearly got stuck. With a back up and second try, he got through okay, without help. I'm guessing that the II's longer rear overhang could have been a hinderance at the bottom. As we meandered further down the trail, I found that I'd gotten too far ahead and stopped to wait. And wait. And wait. Hmmm, what's going back there? I backed to a place where I could turn around (I couldn't raise anyone on the borrowed hand-held CB I was using). I headed back for a distance and then encountered a foot-messenger who told us that Nathan had managed to tear a sidewall out of one of his rear tires, that the spare was now mounted but had to be aired up. I should have known, if a tire had to be spiked on the trail, it would have been Nathan's! No, not anything on Nathan, it's just that he drives a '90 RR County and that's what "Spike" is--Scott Bronson's RR that earned that name for its outstanding ability to spike sidewalls on the trail (and elsewhere)! Since Bennett and I were parked well down the trail and had to wait a while anyway, Bennett took the opportunity to fire off a few clips in his "new" SKS rifle, at a snag across the gulch (in nice, safe, open terrain, against another slope). He even talked me into firing off a clip. At last, we all moved on and eventually came to another fork in the trail, one that was not shown on the maps. We were by this time looking right down on Indian Valley Reservoir and could see that we were not very far from the end of the trail. But which one? I thought that the left one looked to fit the map best. It also to appeared to be the main one. The right fork went up quite a steep hill and looked to me as if it might just go to an overlook. So I walked/climbed up there to see. In fact it continued but I could not see whether or not it actually connected to the main road. I wussed out and took the left fork. I think a couple of the rear guard did at least climb that steep hill before turning around and rejoining the group. Bennett and I later determined that the right fork did, in fact, reach to Bartlett Springs Road--good info for future reference. It would be a fun and even challenging route, especially if the ground were wet. The route we did take turned out to be more challenging than a lot of what we'd been taking so far. That was because as we got closer to the bottom, we were into a reach of trail that was pretty accessable during the wet season to the yahoos from below. Well used and therefore well rutted. Must have been a real mess a month or two earlier. The closest thing to a mud hole we encountered all day was right at the junction with Bartlett Springs Road (BSR). Once we hit BSR, even though most would be wanting to turn left to head for home, we turned right to a beach area I'd spotted from above, to have our late lunch (about 3:30PM). We shared a hasty repast and said our goodbyes. Dave, John, Rich, and Alexander then reversed to head east on BSR to Walker Ridge Road to connect to Highway 20 and I-5. Ol' Dave had a long drive ahead of him to Colorado. Nathan's crew and Bennett and I headed west on BSR. I stopped at Hough Springs to show Nathan and Bennett where the M5 that others took came out, across the North Fork of Cache Creek. We parted company then to each drive at his own pace, to enjoy the pleasant scenery of Allen Springs, Bartlett Springs, Bartlett Flat, and Bartlett Mountain. Eventually--alas--we found ourselves at the old bottling plant and turned onto Highway 20 for the short jog home. Another excellent trip ends, with worthwhile trails (and some ideas for next time), fine food and drink, and--as always--the finest of camaradarie! Ah, but it doesn't really end there for we have our memories and they are once again worth keeping. I'm sorry that I don't have photos of my own to accompany this story. For easy reference, I'm including the URLs of the various websites that others have earlier posted with Mendo VI pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=180413&a=5673339 http://www.aroundtheworld1999.com/othersites/mendo2000/ http://63.195.181.180/Alex/lr/2000_04_28_mnr6/index1.html http://www.d-90.com These websites are the work, in order listed above, of Kevin Kelly, Nick Baggarly (his includes some mpeg clips as well), Alexander Cooper, and Dave Gomes. Cheers, Gran From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat May 20 11:58:50 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4KFwoX31164 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 20 May 2000 11:58:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200005201503.IAA16710@wenet.net> X-Sender: jcwhite3/mail.well.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 08:20:40 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org, mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: "John C. White, III" Subject: Re: sightings in Chico In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000519193821.00804df0@mail.saber.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If the color is stock and has a bit of metal flake to it, it's probably "Epsom Green." Cheers! John At 19:38 19.05.2000 -0700, Bob & Sue Bernard wrote: >Hi All, >Today while shopping in Chico, we saw a Range Rover that was a mildewed >moss green, and a Discovery that was a very dark green kinda blackish >compared to bronze green on the series. >I'm wondering what the Disco color is? Could it be Conniston green? > >Anybody know? > >I haven't bought the paint for Olivia yet so picking this color might be cool. >It'll cause me to have to paint more of Olivia in order to change the >color, but it looks like it would be worth it. >BTW anybody on the list??? ;>) > >Bob B > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat May 20 12:02:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4KG2Pe31194 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:02:25 -0400 To: lro@playground.sun.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 07:58:56 -0700 Subject: See what happens? Message-ID: <20000520.075857.-118379.11.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,5-6,8-9,11-18 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was just watching the morning news: The Mojave Desert Phone Booth - a phone booth in the desert near Baker, Ca., which has worldwide fame due to it being quite literally in the middle of nowhere (and still working) HAS BEEN REMOVED DUE TO MORE AND MORE PEOPLE TRAVELLING OUT TO VISIT IT!!! The claim - "the increased traffic to visit the phonebooth is causing an increase in damage to the surrounding landscape." Let this be a lesson folks...if you know of a cool place somewhere, keep it under your hat. Charles "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat May 20 12:06:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4KG68731217 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:06:08 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000520080622.007db100@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 08:06:22 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: sightings in Chico In-Reply-To: <200005201503.IAA16710@wenet.net> References: <3.0.6.32.20000519193821.00804df0@mail.saber.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 08:20 AM 5/20/2000 -0700, you wrote: >If the color is stock and has a bit of metal flake to it, it's probably >"Epsom Green." > >Cheers! >John Thanks John, I really don't want metal flake and didn't look up close enough to see that but the color name is a start for a trip to the paint store. Bob B > > >At 19:38 19.05.2000 -0700, Bob & Sue Bernard wrote: >>Hi All, >>Today while shopping in Chico, we saw a Range Rover that was a mildewed >>moss green, and a Discovery that was a very dark green kinda blackish >>compared to bronze green on the series. >>I'm wondering what the Disco color is? Could it be Conniston green? >> >>Anybody know? >> >>I haven't bought the paint for Olivia yet so picking this color might be >cool. >>It'll cause me to have to paint more of Olivia in order to change the >>color, but it looks like it would be worth it. >>BTW anybody on the list??? ;>) >> >>Bob B >> > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat May 20 13:44:38 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4KHico31292 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 20 May 2000 13:44:38 -0400 Message-ID: <20000520164703.6301.qmail@web702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 09:47:03 -0700 (PDT) From: KC Subject: Re: Oakland to Moab To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- "G. Mugele" wrote: > I suggest that you spend a couple days and have fun driving 50... Ely > Nevada is a good place to stop for the night. > > Carry as much water on the bike as you can manage at Moab... you'll > be amazed at how fast you drink it all. Thanks for your good advice Gerry et all. I would've loved to take the 50, as I'd done it to Ely years ago and loved it, but, group and time needs dictated a fast trip. You are absolutely correct on the water. I carried a 20 oz water bottle and a 72 oz water bladder and managed to drink all each ride. I usually don't even drink 1/2 a 20 oz bottle on a ride. Of course, these were 5+ hour rides, at decent altitude, and warm weather. KC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat May 20 21:01:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4L11RU31633 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 20 May 2000 21:01:27 -0400 Date: 20 May 2000 17:03:39 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com X-Sender: web79245@dreamlab.cc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Sighting (and a favor) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey everyone. My friends I met in Moab that are travelling around the world in their 130 crewcab stopped by for a few minutes this afternoon. We talked about their trip, their good and bad luck along the way, and their future route. They are going down to San Jose to see friends there, then over to Las Vegas to see some more friends, then meander down to Panama before heading back to the States. They run a hotel in Austria, and need to be back home for the busy season, but they don't want to ship the truck back to Austria because they are continuing their world wide trek after Summer's end. I mentioned my Mendo-network of So. Cal friends, and that there is the possibility of finding a safe low-key place to store it for the summer. It would be difficult to get it into a garage, becasue the camper on the back makes it about 14 feet tall (seriously), so maybe they're looking for a yard that's fenced or something. I have his direct e-mail and can give it to those who might have some leads or ideas. 100% of the known 130's in the US were in Portland today. Kind of cool huh? Later, Michael Slade Portland, Oregon www.DreamLab.cc From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat May 20 21:33:33 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4L1XXk31662 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 20 May 2000 21:33:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200005210023.RAA27347@wizard.sp.gap.com> Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 17:23:27 -0700 (PDT) From: John Young Subject: Re: Granny's (Long) Mendo VI--Part II To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: u56De+TpxmMbvSL1e641bA== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.3.3 SunOS 5.7 sun4u sparc Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Great recap, Granny! I've really enjoyed reading both parts, and I am glad to see thorough documentation of these adventures. > vantage, it appeared to me that last-through John in the Disco II had some > trouble at the bottom of the bypass and maybe nearly got stuck. With a > back up and second try, he got through okay, without help. I'm guessing > that the II's longer rear overhang could have been a hinderance at the bottom. Actually, the Disco II was all but unstoppable. I know there was one point where I stopped to photograph and measure the wheel travel in a lovely little cross-axle situation. A full 12" from top of tire to the fender flare, and a good few inches tucked into the wheel well on the opposite corner. Enough for non-Land Rover owners to think something was broken ;) I don't remember the actual numbers, but a stock DII must have something close to 18" of wheel travel. There was another time when I tried to back up a rather steep and loose surface in order to test the electronic traction control. It began to dig, so I had to assume (aside from lacking better driving skills) that I had reached the limits of what ETC could do for a 5,000 lbs. truck on a loose surface (without airing down, at least). I bet this is what you were referring to... Thanks again for the write-up! John Young 1999 Discovery Series II, ACE, SLS, Java Black (finally started cleaning it today) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun May 21 01:29:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4L5TPp32466 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 2000 01:29:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200005210429.VAA23598@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 21:27:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: sightings in Chico X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bob, My Disco is Conniston green, if you recall how it looks ( err.. before all the scratches, dents and stickers :) Its more of a Pine tree colored green, as opposed to a really dark green TomW > At 08:20 AM 5/20/2000 -0700, you wrote: > >If the color is stock and has a bit of metal flake to it, it's probably > >"Epsom Green." > > > >Cheers! > >John > > Thanks John, > I really don't want metal flake and didn't look up close enough to see that > but the color name is a start for a trip to the paint store. > > Bob B > > > > > > > > > > >At 19:38 19.05.2000 -0700, Bob & Sue Bernard wrote: > >>Hi All, > >>Today while shopping in Chico, we saw a Range Rover that was a mildewed > >>moss green, and a Discovery that was a very dark green kinda blackish > >>compared to bronze green on the series. > >>I'm wondering what the Disco color is? Could it be Conniston green? > >> > >>Anybody know? > >> > >>I haven't bought the paint for Olivia yet so picking this color might be > >cool. > >>It'll cause me to have to paint more of Olivia in order to change the > >>color, but it looks like it would be worth it. > >>BTW anybody on the list??? ;>) > >> > >>Bob B > >> > > > > > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1652 bumble bee.. LandRovers tomw@best.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun May 21 03:29:53 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4L7TrH32576 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 2000 03:29:53 -0400 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 02:32:06 EDT Subject: Re: 101 lookalike To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 5/18/2000 11:20:55 AM US Mountain Standard Time, jjp4@usa.net writes: << There is a vehicle near Sutter Creek that looks like a 101 but if I remember correctly (old age) its a PUCH >> You can see some at http://www.umog.com/Pinzibrochure.html The guy that sells them is a friend of mine. Cheers, Gerry PHX AZ From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun May 21 09:43:11 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4LDhBb00583 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 2000 09:43:11 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000521054314.007dd100@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 05:43:14 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: sightings in Chico In-Reply-To: <200005210429.VAA23598@proxy2.ba.best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 09:27 PM 5/20/2000 -0800, you wrote: >Bob, >My Disco is Conniston green, if you recall how it looks ( err.. >before all the scratches, dents and stickers :) >Its more of a Pine tree colored green, as opposed to a really dark >green > >TomW Thanks Tom, I guess the name Conniston Green sounds cool kinda like a Connestoga wagon, so I gravitated toward that name. But we really liked the really dark green. So maybe monday I'll go down to Chico Auto Paint and see what chips they have. Bob B From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun May 21 10:20:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4LEKbK00626 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 2000 10:20:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200005211329.GAA28518@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: sightings in Chico Date: Sun, 21 May 00 06:23:18 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I haven't bought the paint for Olivia yet so picking this color might be >cool. It'll cause me to have to paint more of Olivia in order to change the >color, but it looks like it would be worth it. I spent a couple years looking at car colours before I was ready to paint the Green Rover. If you are looking for a very dark green without the bronze green mudish look, check out 1974 Jaguire British Racing Green. But then again I have always been partial to the British Racing Green family of colours. It provides a large variety of dark green colours to chose from that look right on an older British car. Many of the newer paint colours just don't look right on an old British car. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun May 21 11:27:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4LFR8200683 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 2000 11:27:08 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000521072844.007bea20@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 07:28:44 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: TAW Re: sightings in Chico In-Reply-To: <200005211329.GAA28518@blackie.cruzers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 06:23 AM 5/21/2000 -0700, we wrote: >>I haven't bought the paint for Olivia yet so picking this color might be >>cool. It'll cause me to have to paint more of Olivia in order to change the >>color, but it looks like it would be worth it. > >I spent a couple years looking at car colours before I was ready to paint >the Green Rover. If you are looking for a very dark green without the >bronze green mudish look, check out >1974 Jaguire British Racing Green. Thanks TA, I'll take the color name with me when I go. But it's so much better to see a complete car with a color for a better perspective. Is that the color of your truck? Bob B >But then again I have always been partial to the British Racing Green >family of colours. It provides a large variety of dark green colours to >chose from that look right on an older British car. Many of the newer >paint colours just don't look right on an old British car. > > >TeriAnn > http://www.overlander.net > > The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners > with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun May 21 12:52:30 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4LGqUV00768 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 2000 12:52:30 -0400 Message-ID: <39280692.DDC26C34@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 08:53:54 -0700 From: "Franklin H. Yap" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: sightings in Chico References: <3.0.6.32.20000521054314.007dd100@mail.saber.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bob & Sue Bernard wrote: > I guess the name Conniston Green sounds cool kinda like a Connestoga wagon, > so I gravitated toward that name. But we really liked the really dark green. > So maybe monday I'll go down to Chico Auto Paint and see what chips they have. > Hi Bob, British Racing Green is also a 97 LR colour for the D90. Frank From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun May 21 13:27:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4LHR8E00804 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 2000 13:27:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200005211635.JAA03861@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: TAW Re: sightings in Chico Date: Sun, 21 May 00 09:29:48 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Thanks TA, >I'll take the color name with me when I go. But it's so much better to see >a complete car with a color for a better perspective. Is that the color of >your truck? Yep. So when is Pair-O-Dice this year? TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun May 21 14:42:36 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4LIgau00854 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 2000 14:42:36 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000521104402.007be9c0@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 10:44:02 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: TAW Re: sightings in Chico In-Reply-To: <200005211635.JAA03861@blackie.cruzers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 09:29 AM 5/21/2000 -0700, you wrote: >>Thanks TA, >>I'll take the color name with me when I go. But it's so much better to see >>a complete car with a color for a better perspective. Is that the color of >>your truck? > >Yep. So when is Pair-O-Dice this year? >TeriAnn Pair-O-Dice lost-not-a-ralley will be July 21-22-23 this year. We decided to move it a week earlier this year because of NCRC scheduling conflicts. Bob B From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun May 21 15:55:59 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4LJtxP00906 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 2000 15:55:59 -0400 Message-ID: <010701bfc356$96a89e60$cf4d1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Pete Hope" To: References: <200005210023.RAA27347@wizard.sp.gap.com> Subject: May's LRW Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 08:58:44 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Aloha, Well I finally tracked down the issue, after about 10 Borders and B&K's, found it in Glendale. As far as the accuracy of the article everyone was discussing recently, seems that there is alot of that in the magazines. In the 90 ways to improve your 90 article in Mays LRO, they state to never ever put fuel cans on your roof rac, then in the article on vehicle modifications in the same issue, they say to make sure that your roof rack is capable of carrying fuel cans. Happens all the time. Was wondering if any of the people who were mis-quoted or quoted out of context were going to write letters? Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun May 21 16:01:22 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4LK1Ml00940 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 2000 16:01:22 -0400 Message-ID: <010b01bfc357$5706d5a0$cf4d1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Pete Hope" To: References: <200005210023.RAA27347@wizard.sp.gap.com> Subject: Sightings (lack of) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 09:04:07 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Aloha, just returned from 10 days on the left coast and didn't spot a single Series vehicle (sniff). Found that very strange as there are always a couple running around Malibu. San Diego, Ventura, Glendale and San Jose had handfulls of Rangies and Discos. Palm Desert had very few, only saw one Rangie and 2 discos in the 4 days we were there. Very strange. There were a bunch of SUV type vehicles, but they were either the huge GMC/Ford products or the minature type (Suzuki, RAV4, etc) Malibu must be the plushy capital of the World. In 30 minutes we saw 42 Rovers, 3 D-90's, 7 Discos, all the rest Rangies in the PT Dume area. Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun May 21 19:15:15 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4LNFFH01146 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 2000 19:15:15 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <010701bfc356$96a89e60$cf4d1f18@hawaii.rr.com> References: <200005210023.RAA27347@wizard.sp.gap.com> <010701bfc356$96a89e60$cf4d1f18@hawaii.rr.com> Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 14:55:30 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: john hess Subject: Re: May's LRW Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey, I don't recall reading it, but Regent has the best spot in the whole magazine: Page 2 table of contents! Congrats to Rob Kerner! John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 22 01:26:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4M5QRm02716 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 2000 01:26:27 -0400 Message-ID: <20000522042842.26465.qmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 21:28:42 -0700 (PDT) From: joe mulqueen Subject: tinted glass in a Series To: mendo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello, After just traveling across the 100 deg central California Valley (Yosemite to San Jose, CA)in a late model SUV with tinted glass, I thought of my SIIA wagon with nearly all it's glass still removed. I'm considering having a glass shop cut new tinted glass to replace my scratched originals. Not super dark but definitely tinted. Has anyone seen a series truck with tinted glass? Did it look OK or out of character? Should I go with curtains/blinds instead? Thanks for any opinions, Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 Station Wagon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 22 02:42:10 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4M6gAN02789 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 2000 02:42:10 -0400 Message-ID: <00d301bfc3b0$49d7c0c0$493377d8@delllap> From: "Paul Archibald" To: References: <20000522042842.26465.qmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: tinted glass in a Series Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 22:40:49 -0700 Organization: P. A. Design X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Joe, come on over to Fremont and have a look. ;-) I can't drive Elgie over as the frame-horn is still only half-welded, suspension torn apart etc....but the best way to answer your quesion would be to see for yourself. Elio had just used the stick on tinting, so I can remove it if I decide to, but I kinda like it now. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 9:28 PM Subject: tinted glass in a Series > Hello, > After just traveling across the 100 deg central > California Valley (Yosemite to San Jose, CA)in a late > model SUV with tinted glass, I thought of my SIIA > wagon with nearly all it's glass still removed. I'm > considering having a glass shop cut new tinted glass > to replace my scratched originals. Not super dark but > definitely tinted. Has anyone seen a series truck > with tinted glass? Did it look OK or out of > character? Should I go with curtains/blinds instead? > Thanks for any opinions, > Joe Mulqueen > '67 SIIA 109 Station Wagon > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 22 06:47:15 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4MAlF603077 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 2000 06:47:15 -0400 To: lro@playground.sun.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org, british-cars@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 01:42:19 -0700 Subject: Leaving the lists for a while... Message-ID: <20000522.024410.-118379.21.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,5-6,9-10,13-20 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks... Due to my new job as a road-killer (truck driver), I'm gonna be signing off the lists for upto the next 6 weeks while I'm riding with a company training instructor, and learning how exactly to deal with DOT inspectors... When I get my own vee-hickle, I should have full communications equipment in it, and will either use a company email address, OR, I'll get a laptop and a PCS phone, and simply take Juno on the road. Hope everybody enjoys the newfound silence - and if there's still a Mr. Reichert out there that hasn't been busted by the FBI/NSA yet - I'll be looking for you...if they aren't anymore... Charles "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 22 10:27:15 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4MERFw03295 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 2000 10:27:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200005221335.GAA18931@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: tinted glass in a Series Date: Mon, 22 May 00 06:29:53 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Tinted glass sounds like a good idea to me. The windscreen in my TR3 has a slight tint. Looks fine. Go for it in the name of safety and series innovation. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 22 11:11:10 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4MFBAl03400 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 2000 11:11:10 -0400 Message-ID: <16D03631929FD311BC5D009027D0CBB2175834@vegmail.ucdavis.edu> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: sightings in Chico Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 07:19:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Tom you own a disco? -----Original Message----- From: Tom Walsh [mailto:tomw@best.com] Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 10:27 PM To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: sightings in Chico Bob, My Disco is Conniston green, if you recall how it looks ( err.. before all the scratches, dents and stickers :) Its more of a Pine tree colored green, as opposed to a really dark green TomW > At 08:20 AM 5/20/2000 -0700, you wrote: > >If the color is stock and has a bit of metal flake to it, it's probably > >"Epsom Green." > > > >Cheers! > >John > > Thanks John, > I really don't want metal flake and didn't look up close enough to see that > but the color name is a start for a trip to the paint store. > > Bob B > > > > > > > > > > >At 19:38 19.05.2000 -0700, Bob & Sue Bernard wrote: > >>Hi All, > >>Today while shopping in Chico, we saw a Range Rover that was a mildewed > >>moss green, and a Discovery that was a very dark green kinda blackish > >>compared to bronze green on the series. > >>I'm wondering what the Disco color is? Could it be Conniston green? > >> > >>Anybody know? > >> > >>I haven't bought the paint for Olivia yet so picking this color might be > >cool. > >>It'll cause me to have to paint more of Olivia in order to change the > >>color, but it looks like it would be worth it. > >>BTW anybody on the list??? ;>) > >> > >>Bob B > >> > > > > > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1652 bumble bee.. LandRovers tomw@best.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 22 11:14:38 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4MFEcW03415 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 2000 11:14:38 -0400 Message-ID: <16D03631929FD311BC5D009027D0CBB2175835@vegmail.ucdavis.edu> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: May's LRW Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 07:23:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yes Regent got a great shot. And is being rewarded with all new wires/fuse box, and a second battery, which I'll have some good pictures for an NCRC article. -Rob -----Original Message----- From: john hess [mailto:jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us] Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 2:56 PM To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: May's LRW Hey, I don't recall reading it, but Regent has the best spot in the whole magazine: Page 2 table of contents! Congrats to Rob Kerner! John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 22 11:19:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4MFJLZ03427 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 2000 11:19:21 -0400 Message-ID: From: Matt Wilson To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Bleeding the brakes on Rusty Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 07:21:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, I rode the bus to work today! Rusty is sitting on Jack stands. When I pulled off the Brake drums I found the big mess. Both hub seal are blown. I thought there was a lot of oil on the backing plate for a leaky wheel cylinder. :-) Every thing is clean now and I will order the seals and Distance collars today. I have some questions. If those more experienced don't mind answering I would appreciate it. And if I am boring everyone. Maybe some one would step up and offer to be a mentor and we cant take this off line. I don't know anyone in SB that owns a series vehicle and my friend with the Defender is in Peru. 1, why would I sell my 1989 Toyota truck. To finance a 1973 British tractor, and ride the bus to work? 2, hub seal/distance collar has a groove and some galling. Any trick for taking this off? And what sealant do you put under it? Locktie? 3,hub seal was pressed flush with edge of hub. I plan on making a tool to press the seal in .200". OK? 4, front hub stub axle. The drive shaft bush is missing from the stub axle assy. I have Warn free wheel hubs. Should I buy and press this bushing in? 5, brake shoes: can they be saved? I have cleaned them with brake cleaner but they were fully caked with black grease. 6, swivel pin housing: since I have gone this far should I replace these seal also? And if I decide to. Do I need a ball joint extractor? Thanks, Matt Wilson From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 22 11:38:41 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4MFcfM03477 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 2000 11:38:41 -0400 From: "Nick Eckert" To: Subject: Known 130's in the US Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 07:37:05 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Michael, Sorry, but your down to only 50% in Portland. The Venturer's Search & Rescue shipped over their 130, 10 days ago for an extended trip in the Southwest. Currently they are somewhere in the Desert. I was supposed to hook up with them for a couple days, but missed them. If any one sees them on the trail let them know I would still like to ride with them for a couple of days. Cheers, Nick 1972 SIII 'Grommit' From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 22 11:58:45 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4MFwjC03528 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 2000 11:58:45 -0400 Date: 22 May 2000 08:01:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org X-Sender: web79245@dreamlab.cc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Known 130's in the US Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Hey Michael, > > Sorry, but your down to only 50% in Portland. The Venturer's Search & >Rescue shipped over their 130, 10 days ago for an extended trip in the >Southwest. Currently they are somewhere in the Desert. Oh yeah! I remember hearing they were coming. Well, actually Portland's down to only 33% now that my friends from Austria have left and there's the Venturer's. If you hook up with them let me know. I need some shots of the underbelly to see exactly how my jigsaw puzzle is supposed to go together. It didn't come with instructions. ;) I'm always excited to hear about more 130's! Any others out there? Later, Michael Slade Portland, Oregon www.DreamLab.cc From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 22 12:38:50 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4MGcog03670 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 2000 12:38:50 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E84BC@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Granny's (Long) Mendo VI--Part II Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 09:46:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks for the great Mendo write-up, Granny. One thing to clarify, though. The d-90.com site belongs to Chuque Henry. He's done the D90 and LRO community a great service by pulling together so much info into a well-organized site. I'm only responsible for the FAQ section, some of the trail reports, and maybe a tech article. And one more thing, I think you mentioned once about possibly using the layout I have for the mendo trip report on d-90.com. As far as I know, it's okay to use it. But, please, give credit to Bob K. He's a good web guy who is trying to make a living at it, as well as helping out hacks like me. I think that layout is effective and unique enough for it to be somewhat his property. I was going to say that if John got stuck it was because he was going to great effort to do so.. :^) But it looks like he already posted same. Thanks again for the article, but mostly for leading the trail ride. -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 22 13:25:35 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4MHPZD04256 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 2000 13:25:35 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E84C1@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Axle work (was bleeding brakes) on Rusty Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 10:32:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I might offer a few comments: ".....hub seal/distance collar has a groove and some galling. Any trick for taking > this off? And what sealant do you put under it? Locktie?...." > Workshop manual "trick" for removing the distance piece is to split it with a cold chisel. May want to slip a piece of exhaust pipe over the stub axle to prevent marring it if you slip. I think the book shows striking radially, more secure to lay the stub axle on the bench on it's back plate, and strike toward the plate, parallel with the stub axle. If you have the stub axle off the SPH, maybe toss it in the freezer overnight, then boil the new distance piece before fitting for an easier fit (boiling in oil will get it hotter than water, but more danger of burning yourself, BE CAREFUL). I don't think it requires any sealant, but would have to check the book to be sure. "...Front hub stub axle. The drive shaft bush is missing from the stub axle assy. > I have Warn free wheel hubs. Should I buy and press this bushing in?..." > When I did my front axles (outer splines and drive flanges shot) I found one side had bushings, one side not. I think Bill Davis @ GBR, or Ray @ WO, or both, told me that the bushings were used in early axles, left out of later ones. The bushings that were there were worn badly out of round. They seemed to me, when combined with tightening the big nut on the drive flange, to be over-constraining the stub axle, so I removed the worn bushing from the side that had one to make both sides the same with no bushing. I'm not sure how the Warn hubs might effect the above logic (or lack thereof!). Brake shoes: For the cost, it isn't woth re-using the old ones. They'll never stop right, always be pulling, and fade rapidly when you need them most. Swivel seals: IMHO, leave 'em be, as long as they're not leaking bad. When it comes time to do them, you don't need to duplicate any of the work you're doing now, except maybe removing the road wheel. But, yes, you will want a ball joint press, or a pickle fork, to remove the tie rods from the steering arms in order to draw the hub/swivel assembly out away from the axle casing. If you go the pickle fork way, have new boots for the ball joints on hand as the PF will destroy them. -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 22 13:42:18 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4MHgIG04341 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 2000 13:42:18 -0400 Message-ID: <003801bfc40d$14306c80$cf4d1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Pete Hope" To: References: Subject: Wheel base (was Re: Known 130's in the US) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 06:45:03 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > If you hook up with them let me know. I need some shots of the underbelly > to see exactly how my jigsaw puzzle is supposed to go together. It didn't > come with instructions. ;) > > I'm always excited to hear about more 130's! Any others out there? Aloha, am curious, what jigsaw puzzle? The frame? Never have seen a 130 up close and personal, but can't see that 17" really makes it that much larger then a 110". Trying top get a sense of propertion I checked the wheelbase on SWMBO GMC (reg bed, club cab) and it's 148. So is a 130 (or 150) for that matter really that hard to build? Always has struck me as strange that all of the 150" I have seen in pictures have 6 axles. Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 22 13:52:01 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4MHq1u04362 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 2000 13:52:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200005221700.KAA29311@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: Known 130's in the US Date: Mon, 22 May 00 09:54:40 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Hey Michael, > > Sorry, but your down to only 50% in Portland. The Venturer's Search & >Rescue shipped over their 130, 10 days ago for an extended trip in the >Southwest. Currently they are somewhere in the Desert. Then there is Daniel's "modified 109" that he recently imported from the UK. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 22 14:06:09 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4MI69I04395 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 2000 14:06:09 -0400 X-Sent: 22 May 2000 17:08:22 GMT From: SJH To: "mendo_recce@fourfold.org" Subject: vent seals Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 10:05:00 -0700 X-Mailer: MailBeamer v3.26 Message-ID: <201607552.946728965.4294894851@mailbeamer.schulte-law.com> X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I just ordered some defender-type vent seals for my 109, which has a series three firewall. I saw this mentioned on one of the lists recently, and am pretty sure it will work. Can someone confirm this for me? Apprently the defender type stick to the "door" instead of the "jamb"(firewall) As always, thanks for any responses. Simon Harding From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 22 16:48:05 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4MKm5h05069 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 2000 16:48:05 -0400 Message-ID: <034301bfc415$d85d1740$cb4b0740@baggarly.com> From: "Nick C. Baggarly" To: References: <200005221700.KAA29311@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: I'm goin in Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:47:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I need to replace the heater/ac blower motor switch behind the dash in the 110 and recall someone posted a how-to take your Defender dash apart. Is it still available anywhere? The 110 dash is a bit different than the 90 and all those wires scare me. Nick From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 22 17:11:47 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4MLBl605116 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 2000 17:11:47 -0400 X-Sender: studios@cwnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Michael Carradine Subject: Re: I'm goin in ... Message-Id: <20000522201405.HWEZ22234.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 13:14:05 -0700 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 12:47 PM 5/22/00 -0500, Nick Baggerly wrote: >I need to replace the heater/ac blower motor switch behind >the dash in the 110 and recall someone posted a how-to take >your Defender dash apart. Is it still available anywhere? >The 110 dash is a bit different than the 90 and all those >wires scare me. Ohhh, whew!!! Reading the Subject line, for a moment there you had me thinking you were going in to the hospital and committing yourself for your Land Rover addiction, or declaring yourself to Land Rover Owner's Annonymous, or some such radical action. Glad to know it's just blower motor gone out ;) -Michael From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 22 19:46:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4MNkLT05308 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 2000 19:46:21 -0400 From: "Worldwide Rovers" To: Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 15:43:14 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bfc43f$1d605720$d92d0dce@com.humboldt1.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200005220526.e4M5Qb802726@guinness.ovlr.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org unsubscribe From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 22 22:18:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4N2Ibq05510 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 2000 22:18:37 -0400 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 18:09:53 -0700 Subject: unsubscribe Message-ID: <20000522.181541.-147431.1.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org unsubscribe ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 22 22:50:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4N2o4s05556 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 2000 22:50:04 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000526185215.00a30240@smtp.mondomedia.com> X-Sender: brittnell@smtp.mondomedia.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:52:15 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Brittnell Anderson Subject: unsubscribe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org unsubscribe I am going to Italy for a month. Will re-subscribe when I get back. Ciao! Brittnell LimyDog (SIIA 88") SF CA From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon May 22 23:35:12 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4N3ZCI05687 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 2000 23:35:12 -0400 Date: 22 May 2000 19:11:12 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com X-Sender: web79245@dreamlab.cc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Range Rover Door trim removal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi all, Hey, I got some doors today for the Range Rover from our favorite nouveau long-haul trucker, Charles Irvin. (thanks Charles) Anyway, they're going to have a complete respray, and I'm going to ditch the little rubber trim bits along the waistline. I tried to remove one of them today with my hands and a bit of grunt, but those suckers would not come off. I do have some 3M adhesive remover I'll try tomorrow. Other than that, are there any suggestions? Also, does anyone have the paint code for Alpine White? I'm going to paint the RR that color, but paint the hood flat black. TIA, PS Portland still has 33% of the known 130's in the US. Hehe. Michael Slade Portland, Oregon www.DreamLab.cc From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 23 00:57:31 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4N4vVg06467 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 2000 00:57:31 -0400 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 23:59:38 EDT Subject: Re: tinted glass in a Series To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 5/22/00 6:32:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, twakeman@cruzers.com writes: > The windscreen in my TR3 has > a slight tint. Looks fine. > > Go for it in the name of safety and series innovation. SO... if a slight tint is safer, then full tint is really safe. I don't get it. Tint on the windshield is not legal. (usual put on by the factory..B.S. excepted) I won't bother to look up the Vehicle Code. Zack From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 23 01:08:03 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4N583K06489 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 2000 01:08:03 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000522210941.006c6894@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 21:09:41 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Giving Proper Credit, was RE: Granny's... In-Reply-To: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E84BC@Rcexs2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave, >The d-90.com site belongs to Chuque Henry. He's done the D90 and LRO >community a great service by pulling together so much info into a >well-organized site. I'm only responsible for the FAQ section, some of the >trail reports, and maybe a tech article. Ah, I didn't mean to slight Chuque or anyone else involved in the excellent website! I was only trying to credit in my message who had posted (and shot) the photos accessed via those listed hyperlinks. But, please, give credit to Bob K. He's a good web guy who Of course! I was mostly just trying to express my admiration for the nice work there and should have given full credit to Bob K. If I ever do get around to putting up a website and do want to use anything that resembles what he's done, not only will I give him credit but will try to get his clearance as well. Thanks again, Dave! >Thanks again for the article, but mostly for leading the trail ride. It was a lot of fun for me--a birthday treat to have such worthy companions for my day of realizing that long-awaited quest! Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 23 01:17:52 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4N5HqZ06504 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 2000 01:17:52 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000522211932.006f0e64@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 21:19:32 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Re: tinted glass in a Series In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I had tinted glass put in my second 88" Land-Rover's windscreen and it looked fine. I liked it there. The PO had put dark-bronze-tinted glass in the rear door when he had to have it replaced. He called it "shadow glass." I liked it, with its pro-looking desert camo paintwork (also sprayed by the PO, using genuine USA mil-spec camo paint that I still have). I'd always intended to redo the rest of the rear and rear-sides glass with that. NOTE! However, if you use safety glass that you get cut for the sliders, they won't work for shit--been there, done that! Safety glass is thicker than the tempered glass that's normally used. And, of course, you can't cut tempered glass. You have to special order what you want because it has to be cut to fit, then tempered. Gotta have the measurements right the first time! Regarding the law: My understanding (YMMV and other usual caveats) is that you can have dark tint only on rear and side windows that are aft of the B pillars. Side front doors and windscreens have to be the lighter tint. Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 23 01:19:06 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4N5J6Y06516 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 2000 01:19:06 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000522212046.006f0e64@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 21:20:46 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Re: vent seals In-Reply-To: <201607552.946728965.4294894851@mailbeamer.schulte-law.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Simon wrote: >I just ordered some defender-type vent seals for my 109, which has a >series three firewall. I saw this mentioned on one of the lists >recently, and am pretty sure it will work. Can someone confirm this for >me? Apprently the defender type stick to the "door" instead of the >"jamb"(firewall) Please let us know how this turns out! Thanks, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 23 01:27:09 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4N5R9N06532 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 2000 01:27:09 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000522212849.006f6f00@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 21:28:49 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Re: Axle work (was bleeding brakes) on Rusty In-Reply-To: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E84C1@Rcexs2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave G offered a few comments: >".....hub seal/distance collar has a groove and some galling. Any trick for >taking >> this off? And what sealant do you put under it? Locktie?...." >> >Workshop manual "trick" for removing the distance piece is to split it with >a cold chisel. May want to slip a piece of exhaust pipe over the stub axle >to prevent marring it if you slip. I think the book shows striking >radially, more secure to lay the stub axle on the bench on it's back plate, >and strike toward the plate, parallel with the stub axle. I've had really good success with simply gripping the distance piece with a giant pair of Channel Lock pliers, gently, mind you, and twisting gently while applying simultaneous outward (i.e., sideways) pressure to work the distance piece off the spindle. >Swivel seals: IMHO, leave 'em be, as long as they're not leaking bad. When >it comes time to do them, you don't need to duplicate any of the work you're >doing now, except maybe removing the road wheel. But, yes, you will want a >ball joint press, or a pickle fork, to remove the tie rods from the steering >arms in order to draw the hub/swivel assembly out away from the axle casing. >If you go the pickle fork way, have new boots for the ball joints on hand as >the PF will destroy them. I've yet to need a press or pickle fork to remove them. Just tap the sides of the housing (i.e., the outer race) with a ball pean hammer while applying upward pressure on the tie-rod end. Nothing fancy at all. It just pops out. Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 23 05:11:56 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4N9Bum06818 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 2000 05:11:56 -0400 From: SFmms@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 04:14:00 EDT Subject: Re: Increased Traffic To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles wrote: << The claim - "the increased traffic to visit the phonebooth is causing an increase in damage to the surrounding landscape." >> I just finished up a trip on the Mojave Road trail this weekend and the same arguement is coming up about it in an attempt to restrict vehicular access (about 2,000 vehicles travelled it last year). Various people associated with environmental groups are buying up and shutting down ranches in the Mojave National Preserve area around it to increase the amount of designated wilderness area in which only foot or horse access is permitted. So visit the Mojave Road while you still can. That said, the Mojave Road trip with a mixed group of 3 SIII Land Rovers, Jeeps and one rice-burner pickup was fun in spite of the 100 degree + temperatures. We did miss the guest of honor, Capt.Tiffy-Pearce and his group in their D127 who were no shows though. All the attention to detail paid off for Red Rufy (my SIII), as it did just fine in spite of being fully loaded with camping gear, water and an ice chest, and being run in those 100 degree + temperatures for hours at a time. Overall, the performance of the Land Rovers impressed the Jeep folks. We all opted out of the Soda Lake leg Sunday though because the temps in Baker (some had to stop for gas) were probably around 120 degrees and some vehicles were approaching the red zone on the temp gauge. My husband and I definitely plan to go back when the weather is cooler, maybe in October. Karen Sindir '74 SIII 88 Red Rufy '66 SIIa Barbaros '95 Disco EFE From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 23 05:24:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4N9OTI06841 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 2000 05:24:29 -0400 From: SFmms@aol.com Message-ID: <42.5d08575.265b9abc@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 04:26:36 EDT Subject: Re: Tinted windows To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Joe Mulqueen writes: << Has anyone seen a series truck with tinted glass? Did it look OK or out of character? >> Yup, just followed one on the Mojave Road trail. He tinted the windows because he didn't have a Safari hardtop or sunsheet on his hardtop. It was an SIII 88 that the owner had painted a dark (bronze green ?) green Centauri paint color on the body with a limestone hardtop. The tinting was medium dark and didn't look too bad with the dark paint color, but probably would not look as good with a light shade. We compared interior temps, (I have a hardtop with a sunsheet on my SIII 88) and it was about the same for both trucks. Karen Sindir From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 23 10:45:14 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4NEjEn07222 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 2000 10:45:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200005231353.GAA02100@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: tinted glass in a Series Date: Tue, 23 May 00 06:47:49 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I don't get it. Tint on the windshield is not legal. The real heavy tint that blocks most of the lighting coming into a car is illegal for the windscreen and front side doors. However a mild tint is legal and I think just about every car has some level of windscreen tint these days, or at least as an option for extra $$$ TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 23 10:48:56 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4NEmu907238 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 2000 10:48:56 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E84CC@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Axle work (was bleeding brakes) on Rusty Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 07:56:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Granny sez: "....I've yet to need a press or pickle fork to remove them....." Meaning tie rod ends. No doubt, these buggers run the gammut from friendly to foul, just like the rest of us! Here's hoping Matt has a "Granny" time of it, rather than the "Gomes time" version! Spending 20 minutes cranking, tapping, heating to get the thing off is sure good incentive to remember to give them a nice coat of oil at reassembly, though! :^) -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 23 11:14:20 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4NFEKC07302 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 2000 11:14:20 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E84CE@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Range Rover Door trim removal Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 08:21:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm not sure what type of adhesive is used on the RR door trim but I just heard of something kind of neat. In the latest Motorcycle Consumer News magazine, in a write-up on the new retro Kawi W650 vertical twin, they said something like, ".....tank badges are applied with a removeable adhesive that can be easily cleaned up after slicing the badges free with dental floss....." I'd never heard of this method before. Might be worth a try on the Rangie. -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 23 11:23:16 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4NFNGR07320 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 2000 11:23:16 -0400 Message-ID: From: Matt Wilson To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Axle work (was bleeding brakes) on Rusty Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 07:25:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have decided not to replace the SPH seals at this time. The ball joints and housing are just to dirty and caked with all the ninety weight oil from the wheel seal leaking. The plan is to get Rusty running and drive over to the quarter car wash then after I clean everything if the seals leak. I will use the trick of splitting the seal and slipping it over the axle. The distance spacer came off no problem. And the stub axles are sitting in the freezer. ( I have used this trick before but at that time I had access to liquid N2 much colder :-) ) The wheel bearings are packed, Then I had to stop My son Max (4 yr. old) decided it was a good time to paint his face with a magic marker. and the Dog decided to go visit the neighbors cat.... I hope the parts show up today and no more interruptions. but today I rode the bike so there is some good going on. Thanks for the advice, things are going great! Matt Wilson -----Original Message----- From: Gomes, David [SMTP:David.Gomes@us.gambro.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 6:56 AM To: 'mendo_recce@fourfold.org' Subject: RE: Axle work (was bleeding brakes) on Rusty Granny sez: "....I've yet to need a press or pickle fork to remove them....." Meaning tie rod ends. No doubt, these buggers run the gammut from friendly to foul, just like the rest of us! Here's hoping Matt has a "Granny" time of it, rather than the "Gomes time" version! Spending 20 minutes cranking, tapping, heating to get the thing off is sure good incentive to remember to give them a nice coat of oil at reassembly, though! :^) -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 23 12:18:15 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4NGIFG07435 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 2000 12:18:15 -0400 Date: 23 May 2000 08:20:28 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org X-Sender: web79245@dreamlab.cc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Range Rover Door trim removal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I'm not sure what type of adhesive is used on the RR door trim but I just >heard of something kind of neat. In the latest Motorcycle Consumer News >magazine, in a write-up on the new retro Kawi W650 vertical twin, they said >something like, ".....tank badges are applied with a removeable adhesive >that can be easily cleaned up after slicing the badges free with dental >floss....." > >I'd never heard of this method before. Might be worth a try on the Rangie. > >-Dave G. Hehe, I'll take some dental floss down to the shop. I'll get a piano wire, some baling twine, some guitar string and try 'em all. You never know till you try right? Thanks Dave! Michael Slade Portland, Oregon www.DreamLab.cc From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 23 12:43:10 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4NGhAM07518 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 2000 12:43:10 -0400 Message-ID: <392AA850.829F1494@aub.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 08:48:32 -0700 From: George Simmons X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Axle distance pieces References: <200005230912.e4N9C5U06825@guinness.ovlr.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org When I was doing my front end I found that using a propane torch directly on the distance piece would expand it enough to work it off the stub axle. When fitting the new one I squirted some sealer onto the shaft and it filled up the tapered groove in the back of the distance piece. George in Auburn From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 23 13:16:12 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4NHGC407662 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 2000 13:16:12 -0400 From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: He's going in (brave soul) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:21:18 -0700 Message-ID: <001b01bfc4d2$edd50480$ae051fd1@BlairPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Nick, I have attacked the D110 dashboard from both sides in order to run a GPS antenna cable and power lead to the dash-top ashtray, and to rewire some switches and indicator lamps in the instrument binnacle. I have not removed the face of the dash (with the vents and pax-side instrument cluster) tho I am dying to, in order to unplug the bloody Lights-on! Keys-in! warning chime units. The whole lower portion of the pax-side dash (the black bit, under the grey bit) is actually the ventilation plenum/duct (behind/under which reside the chime units). The biggest challenge for me was keeping track of the various fasteners-- sheetmetal screws, mostly (all different!) in the right order. The punch 'em into cardboard trick, or tape them into position on the pieces you are removing works ok. I started in the lower left and right hand corners (the modular panels on which the speakers are mounted) and worked my way upwards and inwards. The parts manual drawings (which I know you have!) were actually helpful. If it is just the blower switch, you might be able to get at it via the binnacle. The black cardboard/fiber cover, above the pax footwell is easy to remove and lets you see quite a bit under and behind the plenum. My GPS antenna has failed, so I need to go in again soon myself... good luck! Cheers. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 23 13:33:15 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4NHXFV07837 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 2000 13:33:15 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000527093423.00a34b30@smtp.mondomedia.com> X-Sender: brittnell@smtp.mondomedia.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 09:34:23 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Brittnell Anderson Subject: unsubscribe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org unsubscribe From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 23 13:53:59 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4NHrxq07899 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 2000 13:53:59 -0400 From: "Paul Archibald" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 16:56:04 GMT Subject: RE: Range Rover Door trim removal X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <392ab824.2287.0@jps.net> X-User-Info: 216.49.48.59 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org DaveG wrote: >I'm not sure what type of adhesive is used on the RR door trim but I just >heard of something kind of neat. In the latest Motorcycle Consumer News >magazine, in a write-up on the new retro Kawi W650 vertical twin, they said >something like, ".....tank badges are applied with a removeable adhesive >that can be easily cleaned up after slicing the badges free with dental >floss....." > >I'd never heard of this method before. Might be worth a try on the Rangie. Good idea! I've done it with fine piano wire (actually a guitar string), but don't usually have that redially available Paul From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 23 16:17:11 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4NKHBV08167 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 2000 16:17:11 -0400 Message-ID: <20000523191916.2412.qmail@web218.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 12:19:16 -0700 (PDT) From: joe mulqueen Subject: replacement glass To: mendo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Granny, This is very interesting and something I'll explore with my local glass guy/car builder. Since my original panes have some interior scratches, I was thinking against "filming" and going with new stuff............ Thanks, JFM [SNIP] NOTE! However, if you use safety glass that you get cut for the sliders, they won't work for shit--been there, done that! Safety glass is thicker than the tempered glass that's normally used. And, of course, you can't cut tempered glass. You have to special order what you want because it has to be cut to fit, then tempered. Gotta have the measurements right the first time! Cheers, Granny __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 23 16:55:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4NKtbO08241 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 2000 16:55:37 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000523125628.007e4d30@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 12:56:28 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: Joe's replacement glass In-Reply-To: <20000523191916.2412.qmail@web218.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Joe, When I had a replacement rear slidind glass made for Stubby's P/u cab, I didn't mention stringly enough that it had to slide in a channel. The glass shop ordered it and when I saw it, it had sharp corners which would have dug in to the channel. I told them I didn't want it that way and after grumbling that it would probably break, the guy put it to the glass grinder. It didn't break and Stubby was happy. If you order any tempered glass for sliders, tell them what it is for so they can round the corners and edges a bit before the tempering. Bob B At 12:19 PM 5/23/2000 -0700, Joe wrote: >Granny, >This is very interesting and something I'll explore >with my local glass guy/car builder. Since my >original panes have some interior scratches, I was >thinking against "filming" and going with new >stuff............ >Thanks, >JFM > > >[SNIP] >NOTE! However, if you use safety glass that you get >cut for the >sliders, >they won't work for shit--been there, done that! >Safety glass is >thicker >than the tempered glass that's normally used. And, of >course, you >can't >cut tempered glass. You have to special order what >you want because it >has >to be cut to fit, then tempered. Gotta have the >measurements right the >first time! > >Cheers, > >Granny > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue May 23 17:44:18 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/8.9.3) id e4NLiIU08288 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 2000 17:44:18 -0400 From: StevHutch@aol.com Message-ID: <75.4871f69.265c4812@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23