From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 03:12:54 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA13284 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 03:12:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200003010811.AAA00297@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 00:09:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: brittish car parts in South bay X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anyone know of a good brittish car parts place between San Jose and Palo Alto? ( or? ) ... I need a rebuild for zenith/stromberg Carbs. Thanks *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 09:35:42 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13719 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:35:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200003011440.GAA29786@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: brittish car parts in South bay Date: Wed, 1 Mar 00 06:40:38 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Anyone know of a good brittish car parts place between San Jose and >Palo Alto? ( or? ) ... I need a rebuild for zenith/stromberg Carbs. There is a company in Santa Clara that is a Moss Motors distributer. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 10:05:32 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13817 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:05:32 -0500 Message-ID: <38BD3336.DE1D1AAC@home.com> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 07:11:50 -0800 From: Fil Figueroa Organization: Empty Wallet Foundation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: PCRC trip References: <000501bf8322$ba5320c0$d82d0dce@com.humboldt1.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Worldwide Rovers wrote: > > Hello Fil... > > Dates for the camping with PCRC part of the trip are firm. PCRC wants to > have three nites camping with explorations during the day. They figure a > couple of days before and after camping to get to the campground and back > home. Should be a bit longer for the NCRC members. Morgan Hannaford is > working on interesting ways to get from Highway 5 to O'Brien, OR and I'm > working on the O'Brien to Sourdough campground leg. If we meet in 'O'Brien > and take the historic McGrew trail into Sourdough, we will be arriving late > in the afternoon. There are about 3 sections that are challenging, but Kelly > Cushing and I traversed them in a stock Disco & RR. Dormies and heavily > loaded 109s might want to take a different route in. It is somewhat easier, > but still "interesting". The campground is in a valley and has a beautiful > swimming hole in the Smith River as a reward for getting there. > I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts and ideas for this trip. > > Clark Clark, thanks for the info, i needed it to file for vacation request, looking forward to this trip and meeting new faces and having fun and more rovers cheers, Fil From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 11:25:42 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14030 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:25:42 -0500 Message-ID: <38BD4492.675A0566@thelen.org> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 08:25:54 -0800 From: "Christopher H. Dow" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: brittish car parts in South bay References: <200003011440.GAA29786@blackie.cruzers.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > > >Anyone know of a good brittish car parts place between San Jose and > >Palo Alto? ( or? ) ... I need a rebuild for zenith/stromberg Carbs. > > There is a company in Santa Clara that is a Moss Motors distributer. > 8< I don't know if TeriAnn is talking about O'Connor Classics on Scott Blvd. in Santa Clara (408.727.0430), but they do sell some british car parts that are compatible with Land Rovers. I've purchased some Lucas stuff from them that was actually labeled for a Land Rover. It was pretty funny, because he had them stocked as MG parts. C From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 11:41:38 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14073 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:41:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200003011646.IAA19265@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: brittish car parts in South bay Date: Wed, 1 Mar 00 08:46:40 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >> There is a company in Santa Clara that is a Moss Motors distributer. >I don't know if TeriAnn is talking about O'Connor Classics on Scott >Blvd. in Santa Clara (408.727.0430), but they do sell some british car >parts that are compatible with Land Rovers. I've purchased some Lucas >stuff from them that was actually labeled for a Land Rover. It was >pretty funny, because he had them stocked as MG parts. Yep thems the ones. I couldn't remember their name. But since the MG name is owned by Rover, AKA BMW, and the MGF has common parts with the MGB, I'm not suprised about labeling. Thems there Gennnuuuuiiiiine new MG parts. Chris are you still planning on the Majove trail on Mar 18 & 19?? TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 15:03:56 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14256 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 15:03:56 -0500 Message-ID: <20000301200344.4910.qmail@web704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 12:03:44 -0800 (PST) From: KC Subject: Removing Disco Anti-sway bar To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've been contemplating removing the rear anti-sway bar on my '98 Disco. The mount on one side got bent up so the sway bar migrates up above the axle on one side, causing some binding of the sunspension. So, I figure since I never carry heavy loads, just moderate, and no loads high up, it shouldn't affect on-road handling much and hopefully improve articulation. Currently, she has stock springs. Can anyone comment on handling without the rear anti-sway bar and ease of removal? TIA. KC Mares __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 15:19:22 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14271 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 15:19:22 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A32D@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Removing Disco Anti-sway bar Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:22:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Best thing for you to do, KC is disconnect the links at the axle, flip the bar back toward the rear bumper, tie it off with a bungie or something, and go for a ride. From what I hear, you won't notice much difference with the rear one removed. If you like it, remove the brackets and bushings from the frame, and drop the whole thing. Entire job, including the drive and cleaning up, won't take more than 90 minutes. If you want to think about a QD (front or rear), I ran across this type that's cheaper than Fabitron and a cleaner installation, in my mind. No need to hitch the bar up when not in use..... Ahh crap! I lost the link. Gimme a minute.... -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 15:21:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14285 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 15:21:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200003012019.MAA10144@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 12:17:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: hunter ligget trip plan & directions X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This will be the third club camping trip down to this area We will be focusing more the trails in and around Ft Hunter Ligget this time, with possibly heading towards Camp Roberts or Lake Nasciemento, or again to the back side of hearst castle. The trip will start between 10-11:00 on Saturday morning and run through Sunday. We will be setting up a base camp at camp nacsiemento. In previous years we have camped on base where ever we found was nice. I have been informed this isn't really allowed.. So to play it safe we will camp off-base at last years meeting point ( camp naciemento ) on nasciemento fergusson road. I will be arriving LATE Friday night with camper and whatever Rover is running the best ( hopefully the FC101 ) I beleive RT 1 access is closed due to slides so the best access is via 101 using the directions below: If others have a specific route plan or idea I'm open ( and busy! ) We are supposed to check with Range control before we head out... This may change our plans if a particular area is deemed off limits ( IE: they may close a small parcel here and there to play army ) Notes: It will be very muddy, be prepared, tow straps recovery points are required!!! no excuses... Winches are recomended. There may be some High water crossings!!!! Bring warm layered clothing, bring rain gear ( rain is in the forecast ).... Bring your food, camping gear, firewood etc... for base camp... Bring a cooler or a day pack for on the trail lunch. Bring shovels Bring extra Gas Bring Maps Base law applies. ( lockbox, right to search, pushups and saluting ? Tanks have right of way ) As usual on NCRC trips we will monitor the following Radio Frequencies: CB Channel 7 2 meter: 146.500 simplex You can also try on 2 meter: 146.730 (-) no pl, King City repeater (this may not be suitable) (there are several other King City repeaters that may or may not work for us) ( if off base ) NOTE: An adventure pass is required to enjoy *YOUR* National Forest. I assume these can be purchased at any National Forest Ranger Station. I'm don't know for sure as I've never bought one. This is an NCRC recce and will require that a waiver be signed and that your vehicle be in good safe condition. Directions------------------- To Nacimiento Campground: from the Bay area South on Hwy 101: GAS UP IN KING CITY!!!!!! Just north of King City, take Jolon Rd., G14, southwest towards Fort Hunter Liggett. At the gate to Ft Hunter Ligget inform the guard you are taking Nacimiento Fergusson Rd to the old Coast Rd.. He should let you pass. (Ask for detailed directions to Nacimiento Fergusson Rd as its possible to miss a road ) after the guard station: After G14 enters Ft H-L stay on it until you reach Jolon. Turn right on Mission Rd., towards San Antonio Mission and Fort Hunter-Liggett HQ. Turn left on Nacimiento Fergusson Rd. County Rd 4004 Stay on Nacimiento Fergusson Rd for about 10 miles. you will pass Nacimiento Campground will be on your left. This is the base camp and trip meeting spot. GPS coordinates: Lon 121.22'58" Lat 35.59'53" UTM E 144500 / N 3986700 ( from So cal...) ( IGNORE IF COMING FROM BAY AREA ) . Jolon road is a loop to 101.. you can come in from the southern 101 exit... I've never done it... but it also leads to Ft Hunter Ligget or go to second Jolon Rd on rt 101 many miles south of the 1st one you see and follow above directions from Jolon rd. ( GAS up somewhere! ) -------- *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 15:34:01 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14319 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 15:34:01 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000301123541.0084de00@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 12:35:41 -0800 To: mendo_recce From: Granville Pool Subject: Series I Spares Source Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Someone on the list recently asked about sources for Series I spares. I ran across a page on the 4WD Magazine (Oz) site that listed spares available from Whirlwind Spares International, "Specialising in Spare parts for Series One Land-Rovers." See: http://4wd.sofcom.com/landrover/whirlwind/index.html You can e-mail the vendor at (no website, apparently). Hope this is some help and not a repeat of something someone has already posted. Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 15:58:40 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14342 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 15:58:40 -0500 Message-ID: <16D03631929FD311BC5D009027D0CBB24B3D@vegmail.ucdavis.edu> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "Mendo_Recce (E-mail)" Subject: Hunter Ligget Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:01:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cynthia and I are trying to come. Regent has his carb to go back on tonight, and I have to tuck away some eletrical hacking I have done. If he runs ok, we should be down late Fri... -Rob From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 16:09:42 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14358 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:09:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200003012114.NAA05687@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: Series I Spares Source Date: Wed, 1 Mar 00 13:14:45 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Someone on the list recently asked about sources for Series I >spares. I ran across a page on the 4WD Magazine (Oz) site that >listed spares available from Whirlwind Spares International, >"Specialising in Spare parts for Series One Land-Rovers." See: > > http://4wd.sofcom.com/landrover/whirlwind/index.html > >You can e-mail the vendor at (no website, >apparently). > >Hope this is some help and not a repeat of something someone >has already posted. The company IS listed in www.overlander.net complete with their web adress. They are a one person company in Australia and now looks to have moved to the UK. They have new and used parts. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 16:38:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14374 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:38:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200003012137.NAA23369@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:36:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Removing Disco Anti-sway bar X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org it will sway a bit more, especially on a twisty curvey road ( well, duh! )... You'll find out if your shocks are shot real quick... if your in doubt you can have my wife ride in the front seat, while you drive slightly aggressively... If she screams and holds on for dear life..... get new shocks TomW > I've been contemplating removing the rear anti-sway bar on my '98 Disco. The > mount on one side got bent up so the sway bar migrates up above the axle on > one side, causing some binding of the sunspension. So, I figure since I > never carry heavy loads, just moderate, and no loads high up, it shouldn't > affect on-road handling much and hopefully improve articulation. Currently, > she has stock springs. > > Can anyone comment on handling without the rear anti-sway bar and ease of > removal? TIA. > KC Mares > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 16:40:17 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14384 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:40:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200003012139.NAA02259@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:37:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Hunter Ligget X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Great! Carbs! I'm off to get a rebuild for the FC101.... else its the series! TomW > Cynthia and I are trying to come. Regent has his carb to go back on > tonight, and I have to tuck away some eletrical hacking I have done. If he > runs ok, we should be down late Fri... > > -Rob > > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 17:21:32 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14427 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:21:32 -0500 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:20:54 EST Subject: '95 accident update.... To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The Discovery was finally taken to a body shop yesterday. Jeez.... that only took 2 weeks +/-. The damage estimate was as I expected...... $5k but $1400 is for the air bag module that didn't deploy. The other vehicle was deemed to be totaled. But, then again, it was just a '95 Toyota. Several has asked how I'm doing. My upper back and neck have been sore which I thought would have gone away by now. Finally got to a physical therapist today and now it hurts more than before! I called the kid's parents last week. No one answered but his mother called me back after seeing my number on caller ID. The police had told her they thought her son had been drinking the night of the accident. I told her I thought he was stoned. After I gave her my reasons, I asked if he had a drug problem. "Well, he did two years ago." She was going to have him tested on Friday. I wonder if $he'll $hare the re$ult$ with me?! The body shop's normal time of estimate is one week per $1,000 of damage. Between that and not being able to work on the SIII, I seriously doubt that I'll be on the Mojave run unless it gets delayed for one reason or another. I really hate that too. Stupid kid..... Gerry From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 19:35:11 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14517 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 19:35:11 -0500 Message-ID: <004a01bf83cf$3fc35ca0$0a926fce@baggarly.com> From: "Nick C. Baggarly" To: References: <000701bf8023$428fe340$0a27c0d8@BlairPC> Subject: Re: 83,630.. Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:39:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Info: Questions: Email Support@WebPerception.com Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The 110 has 110thou and going strong (but something's bound to go wrong now that I've said that). Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: Blair Peterson To: Mendo (E-mail) Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2000 12:32 AM Subject: 83,630.. > ..that is what the odometer read on the 110 this morning when the red > "Service Engine" light came on. In kilometers, of course. Right around > 52,000 miles I figure. Time to find the box, peel back the sticker, bend > the paper clip... > > Frank, Chris and Nick: how many miles do you guys have? Too many too soon > for me. Glad the 109 will be road worthy soon to give it a rest! > > Cheers, > Blair > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 19:44:33 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14538 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 19:44:33 -0500 Message-ID: <16D03631929FD311BC5D009027D0CBB217564B@vegmail.ucdavis.edu> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "Mendo_Recce (E-mail)" Subject: re:going strong Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:47:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At the last recce at hunter ligget I mentioned that all 4 of my cars(3 Lucas models)) were going strong. Since then, the Morris broke an exhaust hanger, Regent shorted the sense wire to the alternator and the Carb threw a plug, and the Rangie needed a stepper motor??? so it would idle properly or something like that. Of course the Toyota never even blinked, but it will now. -Rob From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 20:06:58 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14569 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 20:06:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200003020105.RAA10451@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:03:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [101] carbs / brittish car parts X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ben, Thanks for the part nums, TeriAnn, Chris, thanks for the pointers to O'Connors I've got the parts, just gotta get em in at some point TomW > > While doing part of a tuneup I buggered one of the rubber diaphrams > > on the carb ( it got a small tear in it ).. I put some electrical > > tape on for ( probably stupid, but its sitting in the driveway at > > this point )... > > > > Where is the fastest place I can get a rebuild ( IE: within the next > > day or so ? ) > > and what is the associated part for the diaphram or rebuild if others > > before me have done this? > > Tom > > Find a British Car parts store. I've had good luck with Doug's > British in Pasadena (2487 E. Colorado Blvd, Pasadena, CA 91107. 626-793-2494 > or 626-793-6768). He had two kits that worked. One original kit labeled > 175 CD-2SE which had all by one gasket. And ZE-20K which had all of the > correct bits (this is the kit for a Jaguar XKE or XJ12. I'd recommend the > latter kit. It cost $25 and rebuilt one carb. > > Ben >> *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 20:20:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14579 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 20:20:04 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A33D@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: cats and dogs sleeping together Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 18:23:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...this is the kit for a Jaguar XKE or XJ12..." Cracked me up, as I just gave Tom Gross a distributor off a '63 Mk 2 that seems to be spot on for what goes in his NADA 2.6........See Rover? Say hi to the nice kitty..... :^) Brit auto world of the 60s was a small one.... -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 20:35:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14630 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 20:35:37 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:32:24 -0800 Subject: Re: cats and dogs sleeping together Message-ID: <20000301.173226.-142813.2.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-7,9-25 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave: you in town again already??? The part numbers are probably the same, but the vacum advance might kick in at a different time...should be interesting to see how his Dormie runs with it. Charles On Wed, 1 Mar 2000 18:23:11 -0700 "Gomes, David" writes: > "...this is the kit for a Jaguar XKE or XJ12..." > > Cracked me up, as I just gave Tom Gross a distributor off a '63 Mk 2 > that > seems to be spot on for what goes in his NADA 2.6........See Rover? > Say hi > to the nice kitty..... :^) Brit auto world of the 60s was a small > one.... > > -Dave G. > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 20:46:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14641 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 20:46:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200003020144.RAA11503@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:42:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: re:going strong X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Let me say this for the record ( err and for Lucas ) None of my rovers work worth a sh*t, they run cr*ppy, and leak everywhere!!!! There, now I'm covered :) TomW, reversing psycology, and shorting Lucas, w/cats and dogs under the hood! > At the last recce at hunter ligget I mentioned that all 4 of my cars(3 Lucas > models)) were going strong. Since then, the Morris broke an exhaust hanger, > Regent shorted the sense wire to the alternator and the Carb threw a plug, > and the Rangie needed a stepper motor??? so it would idle properly or > something like that. Of course the Toyota never even blinked, but it will > now. > > -Rob > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 20:48:16 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14651 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 20:48:16 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A33F@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: cats and dogs sleeping together Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 18:51:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Part nums are actually a little different, and we discussed the different advance curves. Neat thing is this old beastie has a screw on cover for the spring in the vac advance, so Tom can fiddle with it if he wants to change the rate or the initial advance point. He even seems to have a source for the tune-up type parts so he can see if the Rover ones interchange to the "Jag" distributor. Kinda fun.... I was just glad to be able to return his favor of the steering column. Picked up the nut from him when I dropped off the dizzy. Sorry I didn't stop by, Charles, but I was visiting a friend who was in LA for the Nepcon show at the convention center in Anaheim. Hadn't seen her in over a year, and she's prettier than you too! I knew you'd understand...... :^) -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 20:55:16 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14666 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 20:55:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200003020155.RAA04371@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: cats and dogs sleeping together In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 01 Mar 2000 18:23:11 MST." <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A33D@RCEXS2> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 17:55:13 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A33D@RCEXS2>you wrote: > Cracked me up, as I just gave Tom Gross a distributor off a '63 Mk 2 that > seems to be spot on for what goes in his NADA 2.6........See Rover? Say hi > to the nice kitty..... :^) Brit auto world of the 60s was a small one.... When I went to get the clutch master for the 101, BP didn't stock a .625 bore clutch master. They told me to go down to Doug's British and ask for a clutch master off of a TR-7. Sure engough it was the same part, they even cut me a deal when I handed the reservoir back since I didn't need it. Many Girling and Lucas parts were on many different British cars. Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 21:06:38 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14703 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 21:06:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200003020205.SAA14838@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 18:03:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: cats and dogs sleeping together X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: Re: cats and dogs sleeping together > Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 17:55:13 -0800 > From: Benjamin Allan Smith > Reply-to: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > In message <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A33D@RCEXS2>you wrote: > > > Cracked me up, as I just gave Tom Gross a distributor off a '63 Mk 2 that > > seems to be spot on for what goes in his NADA 2.6........See Rover? Say hi > > to the nice kitty..... :^) Brit auto world of the 60s was a small one.... > > When I went to get the clutch master for the 101, BP didn't stock a > .625 bore clutch master. They told me to go down to Doug's British and ask > for a clutch master off of a TR-7. Sure engough it was the same part, they > even cut me a deal when I handed the reservoir back since I didn't need it. > Many Girling and Lucas parts were on many different British cars. The key is finding all this out, before you end up ordering something from overseas, when its been in your backyard the whole time! TomW > > Ben > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 21:11:57 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14713 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 21:11:57 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A341@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: cats and dogs sleeping together Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 19:15:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....The key is finding all this out...." You're right about that. I think, somewhere on the literature shelf in the garage I might have an "interchange manual" for american car parts applications from the 50s...I know.....worlds of good it does me too....But I wonder if a similar thing is available for the brit stuff? Might have to try and dig it out when I get home...... -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 21:12:30 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14723 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 21:12:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200003020212.SAA04426@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: cats and dogs sleeping together In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 01 Mar 2000 18:03:36 PST." <200003020205.SAA14838@proxy4.ba.best.com> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 18:12:28 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200003020205.SAA14838@proxy4.ba.best.com>you wrote: > The key is finding all this out, before you end up ordering something > from overseas, when its been in your backyard the whole time! It depends upon how much time that you have. Sometimes, it's much easier to just call the UK and the part appears on your doorstep 7 to 10 days later. The things that are most expensive are the ones that you can't source elsewhere anyway. Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 21:38:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14757 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 21:38:29 -0500 Date: 1 Mar 2000 18:38:16 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com X-Sender: web79245@dreamlab.cc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: ARB'd Range Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well kids, here's what I did today. Picked up a 24 spline ARB locker and a rear pinion seal. Drove to a friends garage/shop and met Timm Cooper there who was going to be putting in the carrier and setting the diff up. Doug didn't have enough time to do it today, and Timm was in town, so he got the lucky task of doing the job. I however, in an attempt to save a few bucks, decided that I'd go ahead and disconnect the third-member from the axle housing. So, disconnecting the third member was no big deal, but I forgot to drain the housing and 90wt came pouring out the bottom seam when it cracked apart. Grabbing a nearby drip pan I avoided a bigger mess than could have happened (doh!!). I lowered the third member down with a floor jack and handed it to Timm for his phase of the work. I was staring in the center of the diff, where the carrier was supposed to house the spider gears, and there was a rather large void. Timm asked me what was missing from this picture, and I said rather stupidly "some gears, right?". I figured I'd broken the carrier pin, but didn't realize that the gears had fallen down into the bottom of the diff housing and were luckily resting there the entire time I was driving home. That is the second time the exact same scenario has occured for me in this truck. While Timm was doing his thing, I did a rear brake-pad job and cleaned out the diff housing. I didn't replace the axle drive flanges after pulling the axles yesterday and i had a huge oil slick all over my tires, axle, discs, pads, tailgate, basically everything was covered with oil to some degree. Tim set up the diff, drilled and tapped the housing, and we opted for a special plumbing fitting instead of the ARB fitting which Timm feels isn't the greatest, and has been known to fall apart inside the diff housing when you are adjusting the connection to the air-hose. A smudge of RTV on the diff and a few bolts, some grunts and a couple of swears, the diff was located back in the axle. Some more bolts, grunts and swears and the drive line was attatched. A couple of grunts and bolts after that the axles were in, the tires were on, and we were taking a test drive. I used some Defender axles which were 24 spline, and are forged in one piece and don't have the seperate drive flanges like the RR axles. This got rid of a lot of driveline slop, along with the set up ARB, thins in the rear are pretty right now. Anyway, it's been a long day, and I'm glad I wasn't trying to do the compressor and air-tank today as well. Anyone have a good suggestion for a 1-2 gallon tank? We're going to try to put an AC compressor out of a Japanese car in the engine bay, running the belt off of the second pulley groove on the RR AC compressor. If we can't get that to work, we'll go electric. Enough Rover Wrenching for one day (for a novice at least). Later, Michael Slade Portland, Oregon www.DreamLab.cc From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 22:08:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14821 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:08:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200003020307.TAA00999@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 19:06:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: cats and dogs sleeping together X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > > The key is finding all this out, before you end up ordering something > > from overseas, when its been in your backyard the whole time! > > It depends upon how much time that you have. Sometimes, it's much > easier to just call the UK and the part appears on your doorstep 7 to 10 days > later. The things that are most expensive are the ones that you can't source > elsewhere anyway. Agreed! Like today, I had to spend damn near 2 hours going into the valley to get the carb parts ( I didn't "have" 2 hours to do this... ) but, on the bright side, if I get em installed it works out, as I wouldn't have had then arrive via post in time! These days I "prefer" to have parts just show up at my door. its alot less hassle that way. TomW > > Ben > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 22:29:15 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14851 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:29:15 -0500 To: lro@playground.sun.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 19:24:31 -0800 Subject: Tropical top part needed... Message-ID: <20000301.192432.-117361.1.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,7-8,11-20 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks, I took delivery of my 109 tropical top yesterday, albeit with one somewhat critical part missing: one of the vents has vanished since I saw it in Boston (Alan...you have anything to do with that???). Since the deal was a VERY good one on my part, I didn't complain, however, I now need a single vent assembly. (got several other items that I needed thrown into the deal) ...Anybody out there have one that they don't need??? I've been told by BP that used ones run about $50.00 or thereabouts (but of course, they don't have any), so I wouldn't complain about paying for one. Thanks in advance. Charles "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 22:46:58 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14862 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:46:58 -0500 Message-ID: <018f01bf83f7$dee566c0$463377d8@delllap> From: "Paul Archibald" To: References: <200003020144.RAA11503@proxy4.ba.best.com> Subject: Re: re:going strong Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 19:31:54 -0800 Organization: P. A. Design X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Let me say this for the record ( err and for Lucas ) > > None of my rovers work worth a sh*t, they run cr*ppy, and leak > everywhere!!!! > > There, now I'm covered :) > > TomW, reversing psycology, and shorting Lucas, w/cats and dogs under > the hood! I've been using that trick for years. It always caused a problem when after hearing me bitch about my vehicles(usually motorcycles) a friend would borrow a bike to run to the store and come back complaining of how it would launch the front wheel half way ina corner....what do you mean it runs like shit!!!!!! ;-) I've been bitching big time about the audi, and it's starter still kinda works, so I gotta keep up the complaints till I have time go go back to auto electric and get one that actually works this time! Maybe tomorrow as I will be driving Elgie(rover content!) since I need the space in the bed to haul a prototype to a customer....Maybe I'll be playing audi mechanic on saturday instead of rover-stuff... Paul '58/'60 88" "The African" '66 88" "Elgie"......(Little Green rover) '95 Disco soon (won't tell it's name yet, but it may be familiar......) ;-) '60? either coiled/disked 109 two-doormobile or 100 hybrid project (ok I'm only probably 10% there yet, but...) '91 Audi 80 Quattro "Zipper" '92 Ducati 750ss "Rubber Ducky" '98 Ultra-wheels Taos "Death-Boots" Notice anything! ;-) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 22:48:07 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14872 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:48:07 -0500 Message-ID: <38BDE4F0.F2E7185@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 19:50:08 -0800 From: "Franklin H. Yap" X-Sender: "Franklin H. Yap" <@mail.earthlink.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-FLASHNET (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: '95 accident update.... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org GElam30092@aol.com wrote: > > The other vehicle was deemed to be totaled. But, then again, it was just a > '95 Toyota. Several has asked how I'm doing. My upper back and neck have > been sore which I thought would have gone away by now. Finally got to a > physical therapist today and now it hurts more than before! Watch that carefully. I have had people tell me that problems can develop 6 months after the accident. Frank From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 23:01:22 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14885 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 23:01:22 -0500 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 20:51:17 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Re: cats and dogs sleeping together In-Reply-To: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A33D@RCEXS2> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Gomes, David wrote: > . :^) Brit auto world of the 60s was a small one.... I'll say. I saw a 1960's Rolls Royce recently that used the exact same taillight lenses as my SIII. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 23:06:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14896 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 23:06:29 -0500 Message-ID: <38BDEA3E.6AE3BE17@home.com> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 20:12:46 -0800 From: Fil Figueroa Organization: Empty Wallet Foundation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: BMC in SF References: <38BDE4F0.F2E7185@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org hi all, i heard that BMC is buying the DeTomaso factory in Italy and another Italian speedboat company plus they are expanding to the south bay and down in Monterey, italian cars and british trucks.... now back to work, fil From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 23:07:43 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14906 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 23:07:43 -0500 X-Sender: studios@cwnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Michael Carradine Subject: Re: cats and dogs sleeping together Message-Id: <20000302040741.RQJZ21637.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 20:07:41 -0800 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 08:51 PM 3/1/00 -0700, you wrote: > >On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Gomes, David wrote: > >> . :^) Brit auto world of the 60s was a small one.... > >I'll say. I saw a 1960's Rolls Royce recently that used >the exact same taillight lenses as my SIII. A-haa!! That explains the high price of the tail light lenses!!!! -Michael From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 2 01:28:38 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15617 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 01:28:38 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000301222832.006a2654@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 22:28:32 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Re: ARB'd Range Rover In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mike Slade wrote: >Anyone have a good suggestion for a 1-2 gallon tank? We're going to try to >put an AC compressor out of a Japanese car in the engine bay, running the >belt off of the second pulley groove on the RR AC compressor. If we can't >get that to work, we'll go electric. Oh! I do hope you can make it work--for all of us! Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 2 02:42:33 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15678 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 02:42:33 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mewgull@popd.ix.netcom.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <38BDEA3E.6AE3BE17@home.com> References: <38BDE4F0.F2E7185@earthlink.net> <38BDEA3E.6AE3BE17@home.com> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 23:39:04 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Gerald Mugele Subject: Re: BMC in SF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Fil Said: > >i heard that BMC is buying the DeTomaso factory in Italy and another >Italian speedboat company plus they are expanding to the south bay and >down in Monterey, italian cars and british trucks.... > I believe that it's all but done. My neighbor, Joe Huffaker Jr (of Huffaker racing engine fame) races as part of the Qvale team (that's BMC) and thinks it's just about complete. BTW he was driving that new DeTomaso roadster home for a few days last fall..yup the same YELLOW! car that Road & Track wrote about. Marginal LR content: Joe is not particularly enamored of our favorites. He does however normally drive a very clean and stock-looking Morris 1000. It looks stock except for the wider wheels and tires that sort of let us know that it has an extremely healthy 1275 under the hood. Sounds really nice when he tools by the house. Cheers, Gerry Mugele -- ("Gooey" '72 Series III 88 and "Peat" '95 D90 SW) *** Therapy is expensive, poppin' bubble wrap is cheap! You choose. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 2 02:56:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15689 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 02:56:25 -0500 Message-ID: <20000302073419.14288.rocketmail@web222.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 23:34:19 -0800 (PST) From: joe mulqueen Subject: series fuel sender To: mendo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I think this was described once before: What is the physical difference between a pos grnd and neg grnd series fuel tank sending unit? Thanks any restatements! Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW (previously converted from positive grnd) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 2 06:13:12 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA15913 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 06:13:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200003021111.DAA02188@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 03:09:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: carbs, 101, trip X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rebuilt the top end of the dual zenith strombergs ( ie: I stuck in a new diaphram )... Put electronic points in and a all the other associated tune-up goodies, and the fc101 is ready to hit the mud ( I think )... She's running rich but when I tone her down she runs funky I think I adjusted the electronic points the wrong way, maybe they cancel each other out? I'll look into it later as A) she's a trailer queen this weekend, so no real high speed stuff B) god damn if I can't whiz up weenie hills in 4th I was winding out in 3rd before on my test drive(s) So she looks good to go for the weekend, I'll drive her in to work tomorrow ( damn, I love it when they scatter on the sidewalk as I go by :) just to make sure. This E-mail brought to you by: writing the address ageing task, well my 260 seconds are up the addres table ( bridge table, ( like an Arp table ) is timing out, gotta go check it ). Could be worse NTP takes days to converge! TomW From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 2 09:40:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16143 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:40:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200003021445.GAA17069@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: cats and dogs sleeping together Date: Thu, 2 Mar 00 06:45:23 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >"...this is the kit for a Jaguar XKE or XJ12..." > >Cracked me up, as I just gave Tom Gross a distributor off a '63 Mk 2 that >seems to be spot on for what goes in his NADA 2.6........See Rover? Say hi >to the nice kitty..... :^) Brit auto world of the 60s was a small one.... That is exactly why both of my cars are British and a year appart. They both share the British style of how things go together and until I started fooling around with the Rover's electrics they shared an amazing percentage of electrical components and a wiring colour code. The TR's master brake cylinder is the same as the stock master clutch cylinder. Basically once you knew how to work on one you know how to work on the other. Lucas...one parts fits all marques... TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 2 10:33:56 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16275 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:33:56 -0500 Message-ID: <20000302153158.12695.qmail@web704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 07:31:58 -0800 (PST) From: KC Subject: Re: Removing Disco Anti-sway bar To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Tom Walsh wrote: > it will sway a bit more, especially on a twisty curvey road ( well, > duh! )... You'll find out if your shocks are shot real quick... if > your in doubt you can have my wife ride in the front seat, while you > drive slightly aggressively... If she screams and holds on for dear > life..... get new shocks Thanks for the offer Tom. W/both sway bars on, I can get people sick going up hwy. 84, so I'll know it'll be worse and shocks should be replaced w/springs, that is, when I get around to that and the new bumper. Hope to take the rear sway bar off tonight, and change the oil, and prepare for the FHL trip, and... So, how's your wife going to handle Tom screaming through twisty roads in his new 911? KC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 2 10:37:56 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16297 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:37:56 -0500 Message-ID: <20000302153517.13065.qmail@web704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 07:35:17 -0800 (PST) From: KC Subject: Re: '95 accident update.... To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- GElam30092@aol.com wrote: > The Discovery was finally taken to a body shop yesterday. Jeez.... that > only > took 2 weeks +/-. The damage estimate was as I expected...... $5k but > $1400 > is for the air bag module that didn't deploy. Gerry: Terribly sorry to hear about your accident, and sore neck and back from it. So, why does the $1400 air bag module be replaced if it didn't deploy? KC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 2 10:55:32 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16336 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:55:32 -0500 Message-ID: <00da01bf845d$a99c9720$163377d8@delllap> From: "Paul Archibald" To: References: <20000302153158.12695.qmail@web704.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Removing Disco Anti-sway bar Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 07:40:29 -0800 Organization: P. A. Design X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > So, how's your wife going to handle Tom screaming through twisty roads in > his new 911? > KC She'll be right behind nim in her new toy? ;-) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 2 11:16:41 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16373 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:16:41 -0500 Message-ID: <001101bf8462$cbe1d660$e834cbcc@johnbenh> From: "John R. Benham" To: References: <20000302153517.13065.qmail@web704.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: R/R 3.9L engine noise Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:16:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mendos, For a few months now I've had a knocking noise in the `engine' that sounded like a stuck lifter. Well it's been getting worse. I put on my mechanics stethescope and could not pinpoint it anywhere in the engine area. It sounded like it was coming from below. So I thought it might be a loose oil intake bracket hitting against the crank. I did the standard backyard mechanic voodoo stuff by changing oil; running 50/50 diesel/oil mixture then changing to a 20/50 weight; adding additives; etc, etc,... Just like a tooth ache, I finally opted to get professional help. One local Brit mechanic said it was a camshaft `inflow' situation where the cam hits the timing gear cover. Well I decided to go higher up... As I pull into the shiney no-90wt parking lot of the perfect dealership, a mechanic wearing white spotless overalls rushed out to greet me. After a minute of listening, he said "sounds like your catalytic converter". I crawled under the R/R with my stethsecope, and sure nuff, it was the converter! He said "Sometimes they rattle when they get warm" and mine was resting against the frame. He suggested that I loosen the engine and tranny mounts and rotate the engine sligthly to get the converter off of the frame, then the noise should go away as he illustrated by prying the converter away from the frame... No charge. Kudos to the dealership! I'm happy! John B. Spokane From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 2 12:09:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16453 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:09:21 -0500 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:06:46 EST Subject: Re: '95 accident update.... To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/2/00 8:46:13 AM US Mountain Standard Time, kcmares@yahoo.com writes: << So, why does the $1400 air bag module be replaced if it didn't deploy? >> Don't know.... waiting on the shop to call me to ask the very same question! Gerry From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 2 12:16:54 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16463 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:16:54 -0500 Message-ID: <20000302171646.25153.qmail@web209.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:16:46 -0800 (PST) From: David Tong Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #53 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anyone on the list-help. Just bought a Series III that seems to have a few driveline problems, ran it for the first time yesterday. 1. Clutch pedal not returning to the same level as the brake pedal. 2. Transfer case not able to shift out of 4wd, spring missing. 3. Second gear hard to shift into (may be more than synchro). 4. Trans seems somewhat noisier than it should be (no sound deadening). 5. Full throttle not possible, top speed is now 45mph (which might be top speed for 4WD high anyhow?). Third, fourth and reverse seem fine. No klunks in driveline otherwise. Points, plugs, wires all new, new Zenith sitting in box if necessary. Any ideas guys? David '74 SIII SWB "Elizabeth" --- "Mendo_Recce digest:" wrote: > > Mendo_Recce digest: Wednesday, March 1 2000 > Volume 02 : Number 053 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 12:35:41 -0800 > From: Granville Pool > Subject: Series I Spares Source > > Someone on the list recently asked about sources for > Series I > spares. I ran across a page on the 4WD Magazine > (Oz) site that > listed spares available from Whirlwind Spares > International, > "Specialising in Spare parts for Series One > Land-Rovers." See: > > > http://4wd.sofcom.com/landrover/whirlwind/index.html > > You can e-mail the vendor at (no > website, > apparently). > > Hope this is some help and not a repeat of something > someone > has already posted. > > Cheers, > > > Granny > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:01:59 -0800 > From: "Kerner, Rob" > Subject: Hunter Ligget > > Cynthia and I are trying to come. Regent has his > carb to go back on > tonight, and I have to tuck away some eletrical > hacking I have done. If he > runs ok, we should be down late Fri... > > - -Rob > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 1 Mar 00 13:14:45 -0800 > From: TeriAnn Wakeman > Subject: Re: Series I Spares Source > > >Someone on the list recently asked about sources > for Series I > >spares. I ran across a page on the 4WD Magazine > (Oz) site that > >listed spares available from Whirlwind Spares > International, > >"Specialising in Spare parts for Series One > Land-Rovers." See: > > > > > http://4wd.sofcom.com/landrover/whirlwind/index.html > > > >You can e-mail the vendor at (no > website, > >apparently). > > > >Hope this is some help and not a repeat of > something someone > >has already posted. > > The company IS listed in www.overlander.net complete > with their web > adress. They are a one person company in Australia > and now looks to have > moved to the UK. > > They have new and used parts. > > > TeriAnn > http://www.overlander.net > > The world's most complete set of links connecting > Rover 4X4 owners > with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales > companies world wide. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:36:08 -0800 > From: "Tom Walsh" > Subject: Re: Removing Disco Anti-sway bar > > it will sway a bit more, especially on a twisty > curvey road ( well, > duh! )... You'll find out if your shocks are shot > real quick... if > your in doubt you can have my wife ride in the front > seat, while you > drive slightly aggressively... If she screams and > holds on for dear > life..... get new shocks > > TomW > > > I've been contemplating removing the rear > anti-sway bar on my '98 Disco. The > > mount on one side got bent up so the sway bar > migrates up above the axle on > > one side, causing some binding of the sunspension. > So, I figure since I > > never carry heavy loads, just moderate, and no > loads high up, it shouldn't > > affect on-road handling much and hopefully improve > articulation. Currently, > > she has stock springs. > > > > Can anyone comment on handling without the rear > anti-sway bar and ease of > > removal? TIA. > > KC Mares > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://im.yahoo.com > > > > > *---------*---------* > "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. > LandRovers > "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" > tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:37:39 -0800 > From: "Tom Walsh" > Subject: Re: Hunter Ligget > > Great! > Carbs! I'm off to get a rebuild for the FC101.... > else its the > series! > TomW > > > Cynthia and I are trying to come. Regent has his > carb to go back on > > tonight, and I have to tuck away some eletrical > hacking I have done. If he > > runs ok, we should be down late Fri... > > > > -Rob > > > > > > > *---------*---------* > "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. > LandRovers > "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" > tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:20:54 EST > From: GElam30092@aol.com > Subject: '95 accident update.... > > The Discovery was finally taken to a body shop > yesterday. Jeez.... that only > took 2 weeks +/-. The damage estimate was as I > expected...... $5k but $1400 > is for the air bag module that didn't deploy. > > The other vehicle was deemed to be totaled. But, > then again, it was just a > '95 Toyota. Several has asked how I'm doing. My > upper back and neck have > been sore which I thought would have gone away by > now. Finally got to a > physical therapist today and now it hurts more than > before! > > I called the kid's parents last week. No one > answered but his mother called > me back after seeing my number on caller ID. The > police had told her they > thought her son had been drinking the night of the > accident. I told her I > thought he was stoned. After I gave her my reasons, > I asked if he had a drug > problem. "Well, he did two years ago." She was > going to have him tested on > Friday. I wonder if $he'll $hare the re$ult$ with > me?! === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 2 12:17:44 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16475 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:17:44 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000302072523.00aa1c80@hgea01.hgea.org> X-Sender: ogilvi@hgea01.hgea.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 07:25:23 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie Subject: Re: '95 accident update.... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Could it be that it was defective which was why it failed to inflate??? 'Spose you could leave it in so it wouldn't work in the next accident!!! Aloha Peter At 12:06 PM 3/2/00 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 3/2/00 8:46:13 AM US Mountain Standard Time, >kcmares@yahoo.com writes: > ><< So, why does the $1400 air bag module be replaced if it didn't deploy? >> > >Don't know.... waiting on the shop to call me to ask the very same question! >Gerry > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 2 12:55:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16535 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:55:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200003021759.JAA15791@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: series fuel sender Date: Thu, 2 Mar 00 10:00:10 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I think this was described once before: >What is the physical difference between a pos grnd and >neg grnd series fuel tank sending unit? >Thanks any restatements! The positive earth sender has a metal tower. The negative earth senders have a flat top except for the connectors. They are wound in oposit directions so the sender must be matched to the gauge. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 2 13:04:34 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16564 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:04:34 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:36:09 -0800 Subject: Re: R/R 3.9L engine noise Message-ID: <20000302.083611.-89181.7.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3,5-6,9-10,15-18,20-71 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Reminds me of the time I drove my too-low to the ground SD-1 waaaaaaaaay too fast through an intersection that had a very nasty dip at both ends (was talking to a passenger, and forgot about the dips). The car bottomed-out badly, and from that point on, I had what sounded like a rod knock! I get the car home, made a few calls to other SD-1 owners, and figured it was one of the cats, so I replaced it with an extra (new) that I had in my garage: still knocks. Another friend that is into SD-1's in a big way (he has 14 of them at last count!) told me to look at the oil pan for dents: sure enough - the engine mounts flexed enough for the oil pan to become dented on the steering rack, the noise was caused by one of the counterweights on the crankshaft hitting the now dented pan! Charles On Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:16:53 -0800 "John R. Benham" writes: > Mendos, > > For a few months now I've had a knocking noise in the `engine' that > sounded > like a stuck lifter. Well it's been getting worse. I put on my > mechanics > stethescope and could not pinpoint it anywhere in the engine area. > It > sounded like it was coming from below. So I thought it might be a > loose oil > intake bracket hitting against the crank. I did the standard > backyard > mechanic voodoo stuff by changing oil; running 50/50 diesel/oil > mixture then > changing to a 20/50 weight; adding additives; etc, etc,... > > Just like a tooth ache, I finally opted to get professional help. > One local > Brit mechanic said it was a camshaft `inflow' situation where the > cam hits > the timing gear cover. Well I decided to go higher up... > > As I pull into the shiney no-90wt parking lot of the perfect > dealership, a > mechanic wearing white spotless overalls rushed out to greet me. > After a > minute of listening, he said "sounds like your catalytic converter". > I > crawled under the R/R with my stethsecope, and sure nuff, it was the > converter! He said "Sometimes they rattle when they get warm" and > mine was > resting against the frame. He suggested that I loosen the engine > and tranny > mounts and rotate the engine sligthly to get the converter off of > the frame, > then the noise should go away as he illustrated by prying the > converter away > from the frame... No charge. > > Kudos to the dealership! > > I'm happy! > > John B. > Spokane > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 2 15:42:38 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16773 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 15:42:38 -0500 From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: David's questions Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:53:04 -0800 Message-ID: <002701bf8489$4f2b7fa0$ae051fd1@BlairPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org David with his new '74 SIII SWB "Elizabeth" asks about: 1. Clutch pedal not returning to the same level as the brake pedal. 2. Transfer case not able to shift out of 4wd, spring missing. 3. Second gear hard to shift into (may be more than synchro). 4. Trans seems somewhat noisier than it should be (no sound deadening). 5. Full throttle not possible, top speed is now 45mph (which might be top speed for 4WD high anyhow?). There are much more knowledgeable Mendo-ites out there than I on such things, but I simple things I would try... 1. My clutch pedal rides higher than the brake pedal. Maybe you have a weak/missing pedal return spring (the easy answer)? 2. While pulling the red knob back into low range (which is how you get it out of 4x4 hi range), help the yellow knob by simultaneously lifting it up? Drive forward/backward quite a distance on loose gravel first (in case you have driveline wind-up)? The high range selector linkage could be gummed-up/corroded? 3. Maybe it has a SIIA replacement box (fairly common), i.e. no synchro, so you need to double de-clutch anyway? Someone on Mendo recently had trouble with worn synchro rings/springs binding I think. 4. Tough to say-- L-R gearbox noise is in the ear of the beholder. See how much 90wt is in there (level plug on side), T-case too (level plug on back)! 5. On the level, top speed should be about that same in 2x or 4x high range, no? (not that I'd necessarily want/need to go 60mph in 4x4 in a Series very often). If you have freewheeling hubs, compare speed with them locked and free. Check the throttle pedal stop or throttle linkages which may not allow full throttle (but look down the throat of the carb to see what "full throttle" really requires in terms of linkage/pedal travel). Low power could be caused by alot of things (2.25L engine itself being one of them!). Good luck, congratulations on the purchase, enjoy it! Blair. '93 110 "Trip" '66 109 "Pershing" From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 2 16:23:18 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16826 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:23:18 -0500 Message-ID: <000201bf848d$8ad60440$7500000a@kklaptop> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Range Rover Stepper Motor Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:01:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rob wrote: >Rangie needed a stepper motor??? so it would idle >properly or something like that. Before you buy a new one pull it off and spray it with carb and choke cleaner (a ton of black stuff should come out). I have never heard of anyone needing to buy a stepper motor unless they snapped it trying to get it off (it's plastic so be careful). I have only had to clean mine once in 6 years (I think it was John Brabyn who first told me how to clean it). Kevin Kelly From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 2 16:30:15 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16848 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:30:15 -0500 Message-ID: <16D03631929FD311BC5D009027D0CBB217564E@vegmail.ucdavis.edu> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Range Rover Stepper Motor Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:33:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org thanks Kevin, but the extended warrantee we bought paid for it... -Rob -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Kelly [mailto:kkelly6788@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 9:02 AM To: Mendo List Subject: Range Rover Stepper Motor Rob wrote: >Rangie needed a stepper motor??? so it would idle >properly or something like that. Before you buy a new one pull it off and spray it with carb and choke cleaner (a ton of black stuff should come out). I have never heard of anyone needing to buy a stepper motor unless they snapped it trying to get it off (it's plastic so be careful). I have only had to clean mine once in 6 years (I think it was John Brabyn who first told me how to clean it). Kevin Kelly From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 2 17:42:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16903 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:42:21 -0500 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:41:44 EST Subject: Re: '95 accident update.... To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/2/00 10:19:16 AM US Mountain Standard Time, ogilvi@hgea.org writes: << Could it be that it was defective which was why it failed to inflate??? >> I really don't think I was going fast enough to inflate it. Both bags on the other car deployed but that again, it's a Discovery v. a Corolla or something like that. Cheers, Gerry From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 2 22:11:01 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17002 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:11:01 -0500 Message-ID: <20000303013003.20386.qmail@web705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:30:03 -0800 (PST) From: KC Subject: Re: hunter ligget trip plan & directions To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So, I'm going to FHL/LPNF--who else is going? I'm leaving Sat. AM from Shallow Alto? Want to redevous and caravan on down? KC Mares __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 00:13:32 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA17317 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 00:13:32 -0500 To: lro@playground.sun.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:00:23 -0800 Subject: Best kept Land Rover secret unvieled(translation, I'll be a SOB!) Message-ID: <20000302.210024.-89181.20.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4,6-7,11-12,15-18,20-28 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks, This has been a subject that has plagued me since I got my 109...STEERING BOX! As some of you may remember, my 109 has a Volkswagen steering box adapted to fit: I was rumaging through the used parts at BP this afternoon, when I asked Keith if he had any pieces to RHD steering boxes, and his reply was "No - but they're ALL the same.". I asked him how that was possible - you have a left, and a right. His reply was "They're ALL the same! You take a LHD box apart, and put it together backwards, and you now have a RHD steering box! We didn't know it was possible until one of our customers did it by mistake!"!!!!! He then showed me - and sure enough, you CAN switch it around! ...and I've had this damnded LHD steering box sitting in my backyard how long??? Charles (The search is now over...I'll be a S.O.B.!) "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! 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From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 00:41:22 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA17806 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 00:41:22 -0500 Message-ID: <000201bf84d3$208adac0$7500000a@kklaptop> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Low cost way to add 50 hp to a 4x4 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:15:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org We have all seen the big exhaust tips on lowered Hondas, below is a link to a site with step by step instructions on how to do a "big pipe" performance upgrade to a 4x4 ;-) http://www.angelfire.com/nc2/mycoffeecan/ Kevin Kelly From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 01:08:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17851 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 01:08:00 -0500 To: lro@playground.sun.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:07:35 -0800 Subject: Re: Best kept Land Rover secret unvieled(translation, I'll be a S Message-ID: <20000302.220736.-89181.21.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-8,10-11,13,15,17 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Close, Dave: The filler plug remains on top. You simply bolt the column onto the opposite end. Even the bolt mounting pattern seems to remain the same! I'll know for sure - tomorrow? When I try swapping steering boxes. Charles On Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:26:48 -0700 "Gomes, David" writes: > > know, you might be right! The "paradigm shift" I needed to think about for a > minute is the housing, but if you swap positions of the column and the end cap, it > goes on the right side okay! Oh, wait....but the filler plug is at the bottom instead of the >top......drill and tap another? ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 01:32:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17866 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 01:32:00 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000302223144.006a85b0@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 22:31:44 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Re: Best kept Land Rover secret unvieled(translation, I'll be a SOB!) In-Reply-To: <20000302.210024.-89181.20.cirvin1258@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >...and I've had this damnded LHD steering box sitting in my backyard how >long??? Pretty cool! Once in while, we get a bit of luck! Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 01:40:57 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17877 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 01:40:57 -0500 To: lro@playground.sun.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:40:25 -0800 Subject: Re: Best kept Land Rover secret unvieled(translation, I'll be a S Message-ID: <20000302.224026.-89181.22.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,5-11,13-15,17-23 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I just went out and took another looksee at it: Yup - the only difference seems to be the location of the filler plug! Not a problem, for 'I' happen to be very fluent in the use of drills and taps. Even the mounting bolt pattern to the chassis is the same! (thought there were only 3 bolts, but there's 4) I can hardly wait! Charles (I quote Austin Powers..."YEAH BABY, YEAH!!!!") On Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:20:31 -0700 "Gomes, David" writes: > > Yes, the filler plug will still be pointed toward the sky. What I was > getting at is that the filler plug used to be closer to the column. After > your swap the plug will be closer to the end cap...... "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 01:53:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17888 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 01:53:21 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:53:21 -0800 Subject: Re: Best kept Land Rover secret unvieled(translation, I'll be a SOB!) Message-ID: <20000302.225322.-89181.24.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4,6-19 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If only it were this easy for the Range Rover: a friend of mine has a rebuilt RHD box for a classic Rangie! Charles On Thu, 02 Mar 2000 22:31:44 -0800 Granville Pool writes: > >...and I've had this damnded LHD steering box sitting in my backyard > how > >long??? > > Pretty cool! Once in while, we get a bit of luck! > > > Granny "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 02:06:59 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA17901 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 02:06:59 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A36A@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Best kept Land Rover secret unvieled(translation, I'll be a S Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 00:10:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....Not a problem, for 'I' happen to be very fluent in the use of drills and taps......" Surprised you didn't quote Fat Ba$tard.... "Ah-m dead sex-ay!" :^) -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 02:37:26 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA17913 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 02:37:26 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:37:11 -0800 Subject: Re: Best kept Land Rover secret unvieled(translation, I'll be a S Message-ID: <20000302.233712.-89181.26.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-6,8-15 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Actually - I haven't seen that one yet. (I have the first one) Can you recall where this one came from?..."BLONDINI!!!!!!!!!!!" (if you can, then you've definately seen as many films as I have!) Charles On Fri, 3 Mar 2000 00:10:14 -0700 "Gomes, David" writes: > > Surprised you didn't quote Fat Ba$tard.... "Ah-m dead sex-ay!" "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 03:57:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA17959 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 03:57:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200003030856.AAA22137@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 00:54:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: hunter ligget trip X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just found out from my wife ( who talked to my sister ) that my dad may have to go in for a serious operation some time next week or this weekend ( I was out with my head in the 101 when my sister called ) ... If so I may have to work this weekend, to make up for the time ( new product schedules :(... ) I guess its definate he will need to go, its just when... Since this is all preliminary and second hand, I wouldn't worry to much about the trip just yet... but I felt a heads up was in order Worst case is it happens early next week or this weekend....if so I go to Phx, and someone else leads the trip... lets hope it all works out for the best. Thanks TomW *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 10:43:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18576 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 10:43:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200003031548.HAA17619@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: surplus battery Date: Fri, 3 Mar 00 07:48:25 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org For those of you reasonably close to me: I have a good condition group 27 battery comming up surplus within the next week, lack of rain permitting. It is currently in the Rover and being used but is soon to be replaced with a group 41 in a new battery tray. Anyone local want it for $10+ gas for delivery or shall I use it for a core trade in. It goes against my grain to use a perfectly good heathy battery for a core trade in but I have no use for it. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 12:07:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18661 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:07:21 -0500 Message-ID: <38BFF1EA.61A1A288@wenet.net> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 09:10:02 -0800 From: "Bruce R. Bonar" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: hunter ligget trip plan & directions References: <20000303013003.20386.qmail@web705.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm hoping to drive down Sat am as well from San Carlos. Unfortunately I won't know until late today. Bruce KC wrote: > So, I'm going to FHL/LPNF--who else is going? > > I'm leaving Sat. AM from Shallow Alto? Want to redevous and caravan on down? > KC Mares > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 13:46:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18762 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 13:46:21 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000303104758.007c76e0@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 10:47:58 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: BP Special: SIII tail lamp lenses! In-Reply-To: <200003031548.HAA17619@blackie.cruzers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Friday, 3 March 2000 > >Back In Stock! Series III Tail Light Lenses, NAS '73, '74 > >US model Land Rovers built between 1968 and 1974 used lighting packages >that were unique to this market (due to federal regulations). Many of >those lights and components had gone out of production and are no longer >available, forcing restorers to use lights that aren't correct. > >We now have these very rare NAS Series III tail light lenses back in >stock! Because they stick out a bit, they often broke, further >hastening the reduction of the remaining stocks of spare lenses. These >are the tall, domed, fluted lenses seen only on the NAS '73 and '74 >models, and they are new, not used. We are the only supplier anywhere >with a quantity of these lenses! The stock is limited, so if you want >to replace your old faded, cracked, or glued ones, or you're set is OK >but you want some spares, we suggest you get yours while supplies last! > >$45 each Not cheap, that's for sure. But they exist and that's something. My Series III was missing the entire lamps when I got it. It had old TLC tail lamps that stuck way out the sides of the vehicle--really cute! I replaced them with Euro-spec D90 tail lamps. Good enough for the Snark--a very rough beast! But I thought that these reproductions would be a nice discovery for the owner of a really cherry Series III, one who wants to keep it as original as possible. I think it's been a long time since these were last available. Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 14:12:03 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18796 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:12:03 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Range Rover Stepper Motor Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:19:02 -0800 Message-ID: <000801bf8545$55bdc140$dc05193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <000201bf848d$8ad60440$7500000a@kklaptop> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yeah. I bought one and that wasn't the problem at all. Want to buy a good used one??? Kelly Minnick > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org > [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org]On Behalf Of Kevin Kelly > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 9:02 AM > To: Mendo List > Subject: Range Rover Stepper Motor > > > Rob wrote: > > >Rangie needed a stepper motor??? so it would idle > >properly or something like that. > > Before you buy a new one pull it off and spray it with carb > and choke cleaner (a ton of black stuff should come out). I > have never heard of anyone needing to buy a stepper motor > unless they snapped it trying to get it off (it's plastic so > be careful). I have only had to clean mine once in 6 years > (I think it was John Brabyn who first told me how to clean > it). > > Kevin Kelly > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 14:49:14 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18856 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:49:14 -0500 Message-ID: <38C01A11.7A757A5@ski.org> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 12:01:21 -0800 From: John Brabyn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave References: <3.0.6.32.20000217121338.00828da0@mail.saber.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yes that would be Lynn Helm and Gordon Kallio. They did the Mojave Road one time in their Series vehicles. Great guys. Cheers John Brabyn Bob & Sue Bernard wrote: > Sounds like Lynn Helms from somewhere south of Oakland. > Usually had a boat anchor and chain wound onto the front bumper. > > Bob B > > At 12:11 PM 2/17/2000 -0700, you wrote: > >I have a question for people going on the Mojave trip. > > > >Might someone have room for a ride-along in addition to myself? > > > >My buddy Fred is a native Californian and long time desert rat now living in > >exile in central Indiana. He's a Land Rover fan, and although he doesn't > >own one now, he's the one who's mainly responsible for setting me on the > >slippery slope. Any chance we can get Fred a little Desert Therapy? > > > >He pointed out to me that the Mojave Road was where he was traveling with > >some friends when he met two guys in Series Land Rovers. I don't remember > >what types of trucks he said they had. One guy's name was Lynn, and the > >other, they never caught the given name of, but just adopted the name "dog > >dick" for him, because that was his favorite adjective, as in, "we're in the > >middle of dog-dick noplace". DD gave Fred the sage advice that if you own a > >LR you'd better at least have a friend who's a good LR mechanic, and > >although Lynn was a little strange, he was one heck of a mechanic! > > > >Anybody else run into these guys? Or able to offer Fred a ride? > > > >-Dave G. > > > >PS - One thing in Fred's favor....He did fly from Indiana to meet me in > >Sacremento and ride back with me to Colorado when I picked up the 109 from > >Zack. So, you can see, he's as demented as any of us...... > > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 15:52:18 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18945 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 15:52:18 -0500 Message-ID: <38C028DB.8F6A3118@ski.org> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 13:04:27 -0800 From: John Brabyn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: BMW - Land Rover References: <000e01bf81a8$f4f5c6e0$7500000a@kklaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Where is LRNA's off road driving school in CA? Cheers John Kevin Kelly wrote: > LRNA is giving a $750 discount on the Disco and $1,000 > discount of the Range Rover to BMW owners who buy a Land > Rover before May. You make your best deal at the dealer and > mail in the card and get the rebate directly from LRNA. > > LRNA is also giving two free hours of Off-Road driving > instruction at their schools in CA, VT and WV to BMW owners. > > Kevin Kelly From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 16:04:24 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18957 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:04:24 -0500 Message-ID: <38C02BB0.52C1BC3F@ski.org> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 13:16:32 -0800 From: John Brabyn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Range Rover Stepper Motor References: <000201bf848d$8ad60440$7500000a@kklaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yes Kevin is right, you can probably clean rather than replace. I broke my first one trying to force it to move while I was cleaning it -- so don't apply force. My RRs do a lot of desert duty and I found the dust got past the air cleaner and gummed up the stepper motor with monotonous regularity. Rovers that don't inhale much dust should do better, as Kevin's experience indicates. Good luck CHeers John Kevin Kelly wrote: > Rob wrote: > > >Rangie needed a stepper motor??? so it would idle > >properly or something like that. > > Before you buy a new one pull it off and spray it with carb > and choke cleaner (a ton of black stuff should come out). I > have never heard of anyone needing to buy a stepper motor > unless they snapped it trying to get it off (it's plastic so > be careful). I have only had to clean mine once in 6 years > (I think it was John Brabyn who first told me how to clean > it). > > Kevin Kelly From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 16:13:03 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18976 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:13:03 -0500 Message-ID: <38C02DB7.9246FB34@ski.org> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 13:25:11 -0800 From: John Brabyn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: R/R 3.9L engine noise References: <20000302153517.13065.qmail@web704.mail.yahoo.com> <001101bf8462$cbe1d660$e834cbcc@johnbenh> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Nice story John -- I too appreciate the dealers' expertise! I know they vary but in general they are worth the higher hourly rate! Cheers John "John R. Benham" wrote: > Mendos, > > For a few months now I've had a knocking noise in the `engine' that sounded > like a stuck lifter. Well it's been getting worse. I put on my mechanics > stethescope and could not pinpoint it anywhere in the engine area. It > sounded like it was coming from below. So I thought it might be a loose oil > intake bracket hitting against the crank. I did the standard backyard > mechanic voodoo stuff by changing oil; running 50/50 diesel/oil mixture then > changing to a 20/50 weight; adding additives; etc, etc,... > > Just like a tooth ache, I finally opted to get professional help. One local > Brit mechanic said it was a camshaft `inflow' situation where the cam hits > the timing gear cover. Well I decided to go higher up... > > As I pull into the shiney no-90wt parking lot of the perfect dealership, a > mechanic wearing white spotless overalls rushed out to greet me. After a > minute of listening, he said "sounds like your catalytic converter". I > crawled under the R/R with my stethsecope, and sure nuff, it was the > converter! He said "Sometimes they rattle when they get warm" and mine was > resting against the frame. He suggested that I loosen the engine and tranny > mounts and rotate the engine sligthly to get the converter off of the frame, > then the noise should go away as he illustrated by prying the converter away > from the frame... No charge. > > Kudos to the dealership! > > I'm happy! > > John B. > Spokane From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 16:24:31 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19007 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:24:31 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A36E@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mojave Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:27:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Yes that would be Lynn Helm and Gordon Kallio. They did the Mojave Road > one time > in their Series vehicles. Great guys. > What a small world! One of Gordon's buds from Wild Idaho Rovers had just sent his web site link to the D90 list this week. It's a neat site with lots of good pictures and entertaining stories. http://home.att.net/~townsend.wolfe/ I seem to remember something about one of them having some sort of vermin skull adorning the center of the bonnet mounted spare... :^) -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 16:39:32 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19022 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:39:32 -0500 Message-ID: <20000303213928.18837.qmail@web704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 13:39:28 -0800 (PST) From: KC Subject: Los Padres To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So, is anyone else going to Los Padres and do we have another trip leader if Tom can't make it? KC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 16:43:33 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19032 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:43:33 -0500 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 13:43:25 -0800 (PST) From: Alexander George Cooper Message-Id: <200003032143.NAA24095@saga3.Stanford.EDU> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: hunter ligget trip plan & directions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >So, I'm going to FHL/LPNF--who else is going? >I'm leaving Sat. AM from Shallow Alto? Want to redevous and caravan on down? >KC Mares I'm interested. I'm located about a block north of San Antonio and a block east of El Camino. Alexander From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 17:07:31 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19087 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 17:07:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200003032205.OAA27686@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 08:40:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: hunter ligget trip X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Just found out from my wife ( who talked to my sister ) that my dad may have to go in for a > serious operation some time next week or this weekend ( I was out > with my head in the 101 when my sister called ) > ... If so I may have to work this weekend, to make up for the time > ( new product schedules :(... ) > > I guess its definate he will need to go, its just when... > Since this is all preliminary and second hand, I wouldn't worry to > much about the trip just yet... Someone flamed me, and basically called me inconsiderate over this statement for worrying about wanting to go on the trip... when in reality I meant.... : You the trip members, "don't worry", go on the trip regardless of weather I'm there or not! I just worded stupidly as I had alot to worry about and wanted to give you early fair and considerate notice as well as attending to what I should do. jeesh! >but I felt a heads up was in order > Worst case is it happens early next week or this weekend....if so I go to Phx, > and someone else leads the trip... > > lets hope it all works out for the best. > > Thanks > TomW > *---------*---------* > "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers > "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" > tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 17:13:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19102 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 17:13:29 -0500 Message-ID: <16D03631929FD311BC5D009027D0CBB2175656@vegmail.ucdavis.edu> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: hunter ligget trip Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:16:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cynthia and I will definitely be there, either late tonight or early tomorrow at Naciemento Camp. -ROb -----Original Message----- From: Tom Walsh [mailto:tomw@best.com] Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 8:40 AM To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: hunter ligget trip > Just found out from my wife ( who talked to my sister ) that my dad may have to go in for a > serious operation some time next week or this weekend ( I was out > with my head in the 101 when my sister called ) > ... If so I may have to work this weekend, to make up for the time > ( new product schedules :(... ) > > I guess its definate he will need to go, its just when... > Since this is all preliminary and second hand, I wouldn't worry to > much about the trip just yet... Someone flamed me, and basically called me inconsiderate over this statement for worrying about wanting to go on the trip... when in reality I meant.... : You the trip members, "don't worry", go on the trip regardless of weather I'm there or not! I just worded stupidly as I had alot to worry about and wanted to give you early fair and considerate notice as well as attending to what I should do. jeesh! >but I felt a heads up was in order > Worst case is it happens early next week or this weekend....if so I go to Phx, > and someone else leads the trip... > > lets hope it all works out for the best. > > Thanks > TomW > *---------*---------* > "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers > "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" > tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 17:44:56 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19138 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 17:44:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200003032243.OAA21823@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:41:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: hunter ligget trip X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ok I talked to my mom this morning, My dad is at work ( duh! )! he has a benign tumor that needs to be removed ( they think ), and has been refered to a different specialist, that can perform the operation... ( its on his spine , which is the part that makes it delicate ) He hasn't even seen this specialist yet, but the outcome is probable ( I think ) ,as I stated before, its a matter of when, earliest is the end of next week... So the big question is this weekend... I am totally sleep deprived, the %$@ forward control will not start unless I prime it.... ( then it runs great! ) so its the series... or sleep, and I will need to travel towards the end of the week or the week after... I'm inclined to sleep at the moment TomW, trying times *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 20:06:58 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19243 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 20:06:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200003040110.RAA27383@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Majove trail directions? Ben? Date: Fri, 3 Mar 00 17:12:02 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Someone has a good description of the trail starting point cached. Ben is this you? I have an e-mail from someone wanting info to the starting point where the trail crosses the road. Would the people (person) who has the Majove trail trip info that includes finding the starting point please repost it? Thanks TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 20:23:13 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19255 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 20:23:13 -0500 From: Rovergo@aol.com Message-ID: <63.27fa456.25f1bf5c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 20:22:36 EST Subject: subscribe digest To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 62 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org subscribe digest From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 21:00:15 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19290 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 21:00:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200003040200.SAA07926@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Majove trail directions? Ben? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 03 Mar 2000 17:12:02 PST." <200003040110.RAA27383@blackie.cruzers.com> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 18:00:13 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200003040110.RAA27383@blackie.cruzers.com>you wrote: > Someone has a good description of the trail starting point cached. Ben is > this you? I have an e-mail from someone wanting info to the starting > point where the trail crosses the road. > > Would the people (person) who has the Majove trail trip info that > includes finding the starting point please repost it? http://www.fourfold.org/mendo_recce/Mojave.y2k Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 4 01:55:44 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19992 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 01:55:44 -0500 From: LRDino@aol.com Message-ID: <3b.1c976d3.25f20d4b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 01:55:07 EST Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #56 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 68 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Tom, Take Care of Dad we wish him a speedy recovery. Dino 95 5 speed Disco From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 4 02:28:10 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20023 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 02:28:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200003040728.XAA08229@blacker.gdbg.org> From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Hunter-Liggett Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 23:28:08 -0800 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It's looking like I'm going to have to bail on the trip. I need to be back by Sunday. And Laz (101) is refusing to let her brake lights or tail lights work. This is after she melted the panel light switch with a short and a bad ground on the left turn signal confused me by flashing both running lights. That confused me for 2 days. (the turn signal wires are routed through the hazard light switch...). I still need to swap the thermostat and install an oil pressure guage. And change the oil. Before I can think about driving that far for the first time. And we've had hail and a thunderstorm in LA and I'm not relishing the idea of laying in a cold puddle to get this done. There are odds that I could get it done and meet people around the campfire tomorrow night, but driving 4+ hours, talking for an few hours and then driving 4+ hours back so that I can be in LA by 11am on Sunday doesn't seem like a good idea right now. Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 4 10:03:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20276 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 10:03:25 -0500 Message-ID: <20000304150323.14089.qmail@web703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 07:03:23 -0800 (PST) From: KC Subject: Re: hunter ligget trip plan & directions To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org OK. Try my cell 650-906-5252 or CB 7. KC --- Alexander George Cooper wrote: > >So, I'm going to FHL/LPNF--who else is going? > > >I'm leaving Sat. AM from Shallow Alto? Want to redevous and caravan on > down? > >KC Mares > > I'm interested. I'm located about a block north of San Antonio and a block > east of El Camino. > > Alexander > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 4 11:05:55 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20380 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 11:05:55 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 08:01:23 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: john hess Subject: pockets Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sandy added his experiences with door panels, here' mine: Buy fiberboard at the hardware store and epoxy at the marine store. Cut the board to the proper size with map pocket cut out. Slather epoxy on the board, inside and out. Cover with material of your choice. Be warned that the epoxy makes standard staples bounce off. You need a good staple gun. Also, if you put too much stuff behind the pocket, your door skin will bulge out. Since I spent time on the AZ trip (thanks again TeriAnn) with David Walker (hey, haven't seen your sig file lately, how old is ALexander?), I've been using epoxy on my door panels and the Dormie headliner. cheers, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 4 19:48:19 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20610 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 19:48:19 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 16:44:03 -0800 To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com From: Russ Wilson Subject: Brian Foster Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Brian, Contact off the list. I got the phone # for the guy with the Saab. Russ and Leslie Wilson "Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains." -Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 4 22:14:57 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20654 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 22:14:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200003050314.TAA08893@blacker.gdbg.org> From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: 101FC on eBay Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 19:14:56 -0800 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This was just posted on the 101 List. For those looking for a 101: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=275463865 Bidding is currently at $5400. Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 5 00:14:53 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20911 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 00:14:53 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: pockets Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 21:21:59 -0800 Message-ID: <000201bf8662$bb19a400$7205193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I like aluminum from the A/C place. They will also bend up 'pockets' to rivet on. These do not warp/bend with water crossings or in humid climates. Much more permanent fix and really not that expensive. Kelly Minnick > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org > [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org]On Behalf Of john hess > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2000 8:01 AM > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: pockets > > > Sandy added his experiences with door panels, here' mine: > > Buy fiberboard at the hardware store and epoxy at the marine store. > Cut the board to the proper size with map pocket cut out. Slather > epoxy on the board, inside and out. Cover with material of your > choice. Be warned that the epoxy makes standard staples bounce off. > You need a good staple gun. Also, if you put too much stuff behind > the pocket, your door skin will bulge out. > > Since I spent time on the AZ trip (thanks again TeriAnn) with David > Walker (hey, haven't seen your sig file lately, how old is > ALexander?), I've been using epoxy on my door panels and the Dormie > headliner. > > cheers, > > > John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us > Land Rover Dormobile web pages: > http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html > 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" > 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 5 16:50:48 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22067 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 16:50:48 -0500 Message-ID: <20000305215047.17718.qmail@web704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 13:50:47 -0800 (PST) From: KC Subject: RE: Removing Disco Anti-sway bar To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks for the info. David. I tried it and it isn't bad, but think that I should remove the front as well, or the body sway will all try to through the front, causing twisting stress on the body. Any luck with finding those sway-bar quick disconect links? KC Mares --- "Gomes, David" wrote: > Best thing for you to do, KC is disconnect the links at the axle, flip the > bar back toward the rear bumper, tie it off with a bungie or something, > and > go for a ride. From what I hear, you won't notice much difference with > the > rear one removed. If you like it, remove the brackets and bushings from > the > frame, and drop the whole thing. Entire job, including the drive and > cleaning up, won't take more than 90 minutes. If you want to think about > a > QD (front or rear), I ran across this type that's cheaper than Fabitron > and > a cleaner installation, in my mind. No need to hitch the bar up when not > in > use..... Ahh crap! I lost the link. Gimme a minute.... > > -Dave G. > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 5 16:57:55 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22079 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 16:57:55 -0500 Message-ID: <20000305215753.2947.qmail@web705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 13:57:53 -0800 (PST) From: KC Subject: FHL/LPNF Trip Report--brief To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, 3 vehicles turned out for the Fort Hunter Liggett/Los Padres trip: Rob Kerner w/Cynthia, Alexander, and myself w/buddy Jake. Rob checked in with the Base commander to learn that the whole base was off limits to us due to ongoing excercises. So, we tried to explore one section of LPNF that had some potential only to arrive at a locked gate. So, Rob and Cynthia headed to visit relatives while Alexander and I went to explore Pismo Beach Dunes. We played around on the dunes for a few hours, had a lot of fun, did not get stuck, then headed home. We thought we would stop, camp, and tour Hollister Hills Sunday, but, after dinner, we were tired and decided to head home. That's the brief trip report from me on this trip. KC Mares __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 5 17:59:52 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22113 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 17:59:52 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000305145540.007f2bc0@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 14:55:40 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: RE: Removing Disco Anti-sway bar In-Reply-To: <20000305215047.17718.qmail@web704.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org KC, After you remove the front one, you ought to be quite careful about exiting off the freeway very fast the first few times. My earlier experience with and without front anti sway bar (on a different make vehicle) was a lot of understeer on the offramps. Almost dangerous. Bob B At 01:50 PM 3/5/2000 -0800, you wrote: >Thanks for the info. David. I tried it and it isn't bad, but think that I >should remove the front as well, or the body sway will all try to through >the front, causing twisting stress on the body. > >Any luck with finding those sway-bar quick disconect links? >KC Mares > >--- "Gomes, David" wrote: >> Best thing for you to do, KC is disconnect the links at the axle, flip the >> bar back toward the rear bumper, tie it off with a bungie or something, >> and >> go for a ride. From what I hear, you won't notice much difference with >> the >> rear one removed. If you like it, remove the brackets and bushings from >> the >> frame, and drop the whole thing. Entire job, including the drive and >> cleaning up, won't take more than 90 minutes. If you want to think about >> a >> QD (front or rear), I ran across this type that's cheaper than Fabitron >> and >> a cleaner installation, in my mind. No need to hitch the bar up when not >> in >> use..... Ahh crap! I lost the link. Gimme a minute.... >> >> -Dave G. >> >> >> >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 5 21:34:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22196 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 21:34:27 -0500 To: lro@playground.sun.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cc: Britpac@aol.com Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 18:34:34 -0800 Subject: British Pacific spared!!!!! Message-ID: <20000305.183435.-261329.6.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4,8-17 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks: I was just watching a rerun of Drew Carey, when they broke in with some breaking news: a Southwest Airlines 737 ran off the runway at Burbank (Ca.) Airport, and crashed through the perimeter fence, and into the Chevron station at the corner of Hollywood Way, and Burton Ave. - 6 DOORS DOWN FROM BRITISH PACIFIC!!!!!!! Steve - better expect broken windows caused by all the noise! Charles ...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! 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From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 5 23:36:17 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22219 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 23:36:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200003060435.UAA25692@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 20:33:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: FHL/LPNF Trip Report--brief X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org based off my inside information this was purposely done by someone within the rover community , thats all I can ( and ever will ) say at this point I'm sorry for your waste of time Tomw, last message > Well, 3 vehicles turned out for the Fort Hunter Liggett/Los Padres trip: Rob > Kerner w/Cynthia, Alexander, and myself w/buddy Jake. > > Rob checked in with the Base commander to learn that the whole base was off > limits to us due to ongoing excercises. So, we tried to explore one section > of LPNF that had some potential only to arrive at a locked gate. So, Rob and > Cynthia headed to visit relatives while Alexander and I went to explore > Pismo Beach Dunes. > > We played around on the dunes for a few hours, had a lot of fun, did not get > stuck, then headed home. We thought we would stop, camp, and tour Hollister > Hills Sunday, but, after dinner, we were tired and decided to head home. > > That's the brief trip report from me on this trip. > KC Mares > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 5 23:59:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22260 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 23:59:00 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000305210016.009554d0@flex.com> X-Sender: jhong@flex.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 21:00:16 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: John Subject: a little excitement in Burbank? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I hear a Southwest jet had some problems landing in Burbank and ended up running off the end of the runway (no serious injuries) and into a chevron station? Hmmm...wonder if this is the one near British Pacific? Wonder if the oil companies use this as an excuse to raise gas prices some more? John ps evidently the Brown & Williamson Tobacco Corporation has a funny haha recorded message at 1-800-578-7453. (they serenade you :) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 00:05:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22316 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 00:05:29 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A386@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Removing Disco Anti-sway bar Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 22:08:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Any luck with finding those sway-bar quick disconect links? > KC Mares > Sorry, KC. I've done a couple web searches but no luck yet. Let me ask the D90 guys if anybody else saved the link when I sent it around there. -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 00:42:14 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22926 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 00:42:14 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000305194947.00aa9100@hgea01.hgea.org> X-Sender: ogilvi@hgea01.hgea.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 19:49:47 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie Subject: RE: Sway bars resist body lean but severely limit articulation. In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000305145540.007f2bc0@mail.saber.net> References: <20000305215047.17718.qmail@web704.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Front sway bars cause understeer, rear swaybars cause oversteer. Understeer is normally considered a safer condition for uninitiated, non enthusiast drivers. Personally, I love oversteer. Nothing so much fun as hanging the back out in a series, not rover, of S's. For many years, no cars came with rear sway bars and only a few with front bars. MGA's, for one, did not come stock with sway bars even though designed to be driven, not pointed. Severe body lean will be the most obvious result without sway bars. Disconcerting but not a big limit to cornering ability. Problem without sway bars is rapid side loadings where the suspension has to overcome the momentum of the leaning body work. Get a side to side oscillation going and the truck could go over. For offroad, sway bars limit articulation...Bad!!! On road, sway bars limit roll...Good!!! Either drive within the vehicle's limits on the road or disconnect the sway bars when going off road. My compromise is to steal my wife's turbo SAAB for on road fun and the parabolic sprung 88 for off road. Aloha Peter At 02:55 PM 3/5/00 -0800, you wrote: >KC, >After you remove the front one, you ought to be quite careful about exiting >off the freeway very fast the first few times. My earlier experience with >and without front anti sway bar (on a different make vehicle) was a lot of >understeer on the offramps. >Almost dangerous. > >Bob B > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 01:08:19 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22944 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 01:08:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200003060607.WAA23325@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 22:05:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: FHL/LPNF Trip Report--brief X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Also, > Rob checked in with the Base commander to learn that the whole base was off > limits to us due to ongoing excercises. I checked to make sure it was open for us ( and for others via another channel... and the last report was that it was open ). I think even the hunters were thinking the same thing ( open season on pig all year round ). Very odd, almost conflicting eh? Especially given the size of the base and small quantity of reservists, and full timers who could ever possibly be on it at one time. So, we tried to explore one section > of LPNF that had some potential only to arrive at a locked gate. It would be my suggestion: NEVER go down there again, never hold a club trip there. It is closed to all of you. I repeat do not waste your time there.. It is all gated. it is all shut off. If you do go, maybe you will get in trouble now. The LPNF trip is cancelled for all time ( anytime ). Next on the list is Mendo??........ I guess...., Maybe envirinmentalists will hear about it..or something like that.. or some senator swayed, who knows. Soon you'll have to own vast quantities of private land to four wheel...., well out of reach of most people I guess. This dramatization by: TomW *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 01:25:13 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22956 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 01:25:13 -0500 From: SFmms@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 01:24:38 EST Subject: Re: Jet lands near BP To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org << Hmmm...wonder if this is the one near British Pacific? >> Yup, (See earlier message from Charles Irvin). Glad I didn't plan to make my lunchtime run there tomorrow. Should tease them about their attempt to get a door to door delivery. Thank goodness there were no major injuries. Karen Sindir '74 SII 88 Red Rufy '95 Disco EFE '66 SIIa 88 - Not Red Rufy 2, still working on a name From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 01:47:50 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22971 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 01:47:50 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: "Mendo" Subject: plastic welder Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 22:55:05 -0800 Message-ID: <000801bf8738$e73e4780$5105193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anybody out there know what a Matco Tools APW100 airless plastic welder is worth (used). You can write me off-line. Later, Kelly Minnick From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 09:43:56 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA23458 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:43:56 -0500 Message-ID: <000201bf877a$678fcb20$7500000a@kklaptop> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: LRNA Driving School Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 06:26:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John B. wrote: >Where is LRNA's off road driving school in CA? They have two: N. Cal is near Bodega Bay (where the TReK competition was held) S. Cal is in the San Bernardino Mountains, near Big Bear. Kevin Kelly From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 09:50:07 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA23486 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:50:07 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A389@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo'" Subject: FW: [D90] sway bar disconnects Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 07:52:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Here you go, KC. Luckily one of the guys from the D90 list had saved the link I'd sent around! I'm a believer in keeping the bars for on-road driveability. About 30 miles of my 40 mile commute is on a 50mph mountain highway that's pretty twisty. I don't even want to try it without the bars. IMHO, there are some good solutions out there to have your cake and eat it too, so why compromise any additional safety margin that can be there if it's needed when some jerk pulls out in front of me, or cuts me off on an icy road? But, that's just me. Lots of guys pull the bars, and learn to live with it. Just a personal choice. -Dave G. > From: "Shane Ballensky" > > Here you goooo! > http://www.sunperformance.com/newproducts.html > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gomes, David > To: 'D90' > Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 9:21 PM > Subject: [D90] sway bar disconnects > > > > From: "Gomes, David" > > > > Okay, now I need to hit you all up for something. Did anybody save the > > website I sent around a few weeks back about the sway bar disconnect > that > > went in the center of the bar? For some reason, I can't find it in my > > favorites, and I have a friend on another (Mendo) list that wants to > > consider them. > > > > Did anybody save that link, or the E-mail? If you could send me the > link, > > I'd sure appreciate it. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dave G. > > > > PS had a nice time at Chuque's today. Good thing we didn't ride the > bikes > > down though! > > > > > > Post message : d90@onelist.com > > Subscribe : d90-subscribe@onelist.com > > Unsubscribe : d90-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > URL : http://www.onelist.com/group/d90 > > > > > > > Post message : d90@onelist.com > Subscribe : d90-subscribe@onelist.com > Unsubscribe : d90-unsubscribe@onelist.com > URL : http://www.onelist.com/group/d90 > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 10:09:40 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23545 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:09:40 -0500 Message-ID: <16D03631929FD311BC5D009027D0CBB2175658@vegmail.ucdavis.edu> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: FHL/LPNF Trip Report--brief Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 07:13:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I talked with Range Control and he said there was a lot going on, and only one range was open, and that ended up having a locked gate. The base did seem rather busy, with two helicopters loading taking off and coming back, along with one of those cargo planes where people jump out the back. -Rob -----Original Message----- From: Tom Walsh [mailto:tomw@best.com] Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 10:06 PM To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: FHL/LPNF Trip Report--brief Also, > Rob checked in with the Base commander to learn that the whole base was off > limits to us due to ongoing excercises. I checked to make sure it was open for us ( and for others via another channel... and the last report was that it was open ). I think even the hunters were thinking the same thing ( open season on pig all year round ). Very odd, almost conflicting eh? Especially given the size of the base and small quantity of reservists, and full timers who could ever possibly be on it at one time. So, we tried to explore one section > of LPNF that had some potential only to arrive at a locked gate. It would be my suggestion: NEVER go down there again, never hold a club trip there. It is closed to all of you. I repeat do not waste your time there.. It is all gated. it is all shut off. If you do go, maybe you will get in trouble now. The LPNF trip is cancelled for all time ( anytime ). Next on the list is Mendo??........ I guess...., Maybe envirinmentalists will hear about it..or something like that.. or some senator swayed, who knows. Soon you'll have to own vast quantities of private land to four wheel...., well out of reach of most people I guess. This dramatization by: TomW *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 11:39:44 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23672 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:39:44 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A38E@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'lro@playground.sun.com'" , "'mendo'" Subject: RE: Smiles and Woes Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:42:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I don't remember where, but someone was asking about a source for Lucas Flame Thrower lamps. I stumbled across this today: They are dear, though. http://www.mossmotors.com/britishaccessories/bacpdfs/exterior.pdf I stumbled across this while looking for a source for Waxoyl (for those not inclined to melt toilet rings on the Coleman stove....pansys!) Does anyone know of a source for Waxoyl in the US? -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 11:42:43 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23698 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:42:43 -0500 Message-ID: <16D03631929FD311BC5D009027D0CBB217565B@vegmail.ucdavis.edu> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Smiles and Woes Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:46:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I am pretty sure Mini mania carries it. Http://www.minimania.com Rob -----Original Message----- From: Gomes, David [mailto:David.Gomes@us.gambro.com] Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 8:43 AM To: 'lro@playground.sun.com'; 'mendo' Subject: RE: Smiles and Woes I don't remember where, but someone was asking about a source for Lucas Flame Thrower lamps. I stumbled across this today: They are dear, though. http://www.mossmotors.com/britishaccessories/bacpdfs/exterior.pdf I stumbled across this while looking for a source for Waxoyl (for those not inclined to melt toilet rings on the Coleman stove....pansys!) Does anyone know of a source for Waxoyl in the US? -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 12:59:43 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23793 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:59:43 -0500 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: <76.1f765f7.25f54bed@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:59:09 EST Subject: Re: Smiles and Woes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/6/00 8:44:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, kerner@vegmail.ucdavis.edu writes: > (for those not > inclined to melt toilet rings on the Coleman stove....pansys!) Does anyone > know of a source for Waxoyl in the US? Hows about, if I were to melt em (new ones only) and we'll get Charles to deliver? Thus we'll save the UPS haz-Mat fees, and get to see Charles who can tell us the real deal on the Southwest / British Pacific Merger. Zack From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 13:06:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23806 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:06:00 -0500 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:55:55 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Smiles and Woes In-Reply-To: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A38E@RCEXS2> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I am pretty sure I got mine from Moss Motors. Do they not carry it? On Mon, 6 Mar 2000, Gomes, David wrote: > I don't remember where, but someone was asking about a source for Lucas > Flame Thrower lamps. I stumbled across this today: They are dear, though. > > http://www.mossmotors.com/britishaccessories/bacpdfs/exterior.pdf > > I stumbled across this while looking for a source for Waxoyl (for those not > inclined to melt toilet rings on the Coleman stove....pansys!) Does anyone > know of a source for Waxoyl in the US? > > -Dave G. > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 13:09:54 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23816 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:09:54 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A392@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: waxoyl Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:13:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I am pretty sure I got mine from Moss Motors. Do they not carry it? > I shook the e-trees there pretty hard and came up empty. Maybe a phone call would do better. Mini mania had it on the site. -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 13:25:22 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23830 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:25:22 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000306102707.0084b430@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:27:07 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: BP "special" on 4" amber lenses Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Monday, 6 March 2000 >Back In Stock: Series IIA, III 4" Amber Turn Signal Lenses >NAS models '69 -'74 >[sales pitch snipped] >$59 each Glad I don't need 'em at that price. In fact, it makes me think I should remove mine and put 'em in the safe! Those are lousy lamps and I plan to eventually use something better, maybe the round amber lamps that were used on the later NAS D90s. Cheers, Granny PS I'm glad BP was spared! There are photos of the incident on BP's daily special page. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 13:42:09 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23857 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:42:09 -0500 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: <28.2a26aaa.25f555e4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:41:40 EST Subject: Re: BP "special" on 4" amber lenses To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/6/00 10:26:38 AM Pacific Standard Time, gpool@pacific.net writes: > Those are lousy > lamps and I plan to eventually use something better, maybe the > round amber lamps that were used on the later NAS D90s. > Something to think about is a trick I saw on one of our brethrens 109s'. The PO had cut holes in the rear panels and installed the rubber grommeted lamps from the rear of a commercial truck. These are sealed lamps which are replaceable at any truck stop and are shock insulated as well. They are DOT approved for those who care, and could easily be put into a shallow sheet aluminum box for those who don't wish to put in holes. Decidedly not-stock though. Zack From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 13:53:58 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23876 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:53:58 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000306105541.0085aa30@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:55:41 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: RE: Smiles and Woes (non-LR) In-Reply-To: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A38E@RCEXS2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave Gomes wrote: >I don't remember where, but someone was asking about a source for Lucas >Flame Thrower lamps. I stumbled across this today: They are dear, though. Yikes! I guess it should make me glad I don't have a vintage British sports car any more, but it doesn't--I'm hopeless. But it does give me pangs for the pair of Lucas PL tripod headlamps and pair of amber fog Lucas Twinlamps I let go on my XK-150 when I sold it (in '77). I had the fogs mounted on a badge bar because the original apron mounts were not usable due to a slightly bent bumper. If I'd been able to keep and restore the Jag, my plan was for the fogs to go down to the apron and for the badge-bar mounts to accommodate a pair of those flame thrower spots. Geez, in those days, those lamps were not expensive. Wistfully, Granny who still wants another old Jag (maybe a Mk IV or SS saloon)... From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 13:59:55 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23886 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:59:55 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000306110137.0084fea0@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 11:01:37 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Truck Lamps, was Re: BP "special" on 4" amber lenses In-Reply-To: <28.2a26aaa.25f555e4@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Zack wrote: >Something to think about is a trick I saw on one of our brethrens 109s'. The >PO had cut holes in the rear panels and installed the rubber grommeted lamps >from the rear of a commercial truck. These are sealed lamps which are >replaceable at any truck stop and are shock insulated as well. They are DOT >approved for those who care, and could easily be put into a shallow sheet >aluminum box for those who don't wish to put in holes. Decidedly not-stock >though. Those truck lamps are great and very durable. My first LR, a Series II 88, had some really ugly tail lamps hacked in with crude holes, in addition to the stock lamps. I replaced the hack-job ones with the truck lamps you mention. Looked pretty san-o. My second LR was a late IIA 88. On it, I removed the nearly useless rectangular back-up lamps and replaced them with the rubber truck lamp rings. But instead of using the relatively lame plastic truck lamp back-up units, I used the standard 4" tractor sealed-beam (glass) flood units instead. I'd learned that those pop right into those rubber rings. Some of our older road graders at work have back-up lamps like that, too. And you can now get halogen units that fit these. Their being mounted loose in the rubber rings also allows you to "aim" them as well. Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 14:04:52 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23898 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:04:52 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000306110636.0085a7e0@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 11:06:36 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Re: Truck Lamps, was Re: BP "special" on 4" amber lenses In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000306110137.0084fea0@pacific.net> References: <28.2a26aaa.25f555e4@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I meant to mention in my previous posting that for those who wish to consider those truck lamps for tail lamps, they are now available in LED versions. Put out a v. strong light and supposed to last nearly forever. Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 14:28:01 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23913 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:28:01 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A396@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Smiles and Woes (non-LR) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:31:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...They are dear, though...." I know what you mean Granny. A look at the price made me think of going home tonight and dusting off the boxes of the pair I have, in original packaging, waiting for the 120 to be ready for them. Got my valves and guides for the 109" diesel from Ray last week, so it's all up to me now to get the bulkhead done and get her back together in time for your birthday party. Wish me luck -Dave G. PS - an old dizzy I had lying around from a Mk. 2 will be firing Tom Gross's NADA 2.6 Dormie afore long. Watch out for him overtaking at Jebeke speed! If the 120 part had worked out for him, I could have given him a repro plaque like the XKs carried saying something about " this car is an exact replica of the car that reached the speed of ###.## at Jebeke, Belgium on -date-" a nice conversation piece addition to the Dormie that would have been! From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 14:53:10 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23949 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:53:10 -0500 Message-ID: <00c501bf87a5$defdecc0$90faa2cd@890> From: "Blair Gillespie" To: "mendo" Subject: Dunsfold trust Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:54:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Good morning, Starting to get the parts for the series 1. Does anybody have the Dunsfold Trust web page or email? For those people who have a series 1 has anybody come up with a good parts supplier for original items? Blair From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 15:08:20 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23975 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:08:20 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A39A@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Dunsfold trust Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:11:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Starting to get the parts for the series 1. Does anybody have the > Dunsfold Trust web page or email? > Is this what you're after, Bill: http://www.dunsfold.com/ -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 15:09:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23985 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:09:25 -0500 X-Sender: studios@cwnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Michael Carradine Subject: Re: Dunsfold Trust Message-Id: <20000306200923.EEPH18806.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:09:24 -0800 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 11:54 AM 3/6/00 -0800, Blair wrote: >Good morning, > Starting to get the parts for the series 1. Does anybody have the >Dunsfold Trust web page or email? > For those people who have a series 1 has anybody come up with a good >parts supplier for original items? You might consider asking the series1 mailing list for this and other inquiries. To join, write to majordomo@landrover.net with the words in the text: subscribe series1 -Michael Carradine 1950 80" From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 15:18:07 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24011 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:18:07 -0500 Message-ID: <00e601bf87a9$64bb9120$90faa2cd@890> From: "Blair Gillespie" To: References: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A39A@RCEXS2> Subject: Re: Dunsfold trust Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:20:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org What a dork I am. I tried everything except the obvious. Shaking his head, Blair From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 15:26:48 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24030 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:26:48 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A39B@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Dunsfold trust Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:30:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...I tried everything except the obvious...." :^) lessee.... www.buggeredrover.com......no..... www.sillysods.com.....no...... www.mothballed.com......oh my, that's not it!...... Hmm.....better check Mendo before I get myself into trouble!...... BTDT - Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 15:44:57 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24072 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:44:57 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000306124620.00990da0@flex.com> X-Sender: jhong@flex.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 12:46:20 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: John Subject: Dunsfold... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: "Blair Gillespie" > Starting to get the parts for the series 1. Does anybody have the >Dunsfold Trust web page or email? www.dunsfold.com gets you to the official site. www.roverstuff.com/dunsfold/home.htm has a little bit of info www.dunsfold.co.uk gets you some local color. Regards John (in digest mode) ps It is no longer the Dunsfold Trust, but now the Dunsfold Collection. I guess the UK government didn't okay the trust tax status. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 23:12:22 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24392 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 23:12:22 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000306181946.00ab2610@hgea01.hgea.org> X-Sender: ogilvi@hgea01.hgea.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 18:19:46 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie Subject: RE: Name that distributor In-Reply-To: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A396@RCEXS2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In tearing up my storage shed looking for a misplaced part, I came across a distributor. Its smaller in size, at least shorter, than the Lucas four cylinder distributor and the vacuum advance is different and the line exits upwards. Would this be a six cylinder dizzy by any chance??? Someone donated a lot of miscellaneous rover parts to me years ago and this dizzy came with that lot. Bearings seem to be good but it sure is dirty. Aloha Peter >PS - an old dizzy I had lying around from a Mk. 2 will be firing Tom Gross's >NADA 2.6 Dormie afore long. Watch out for him overtaking at Jebeke speed! From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 00:14:48 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24612 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 00:14:48 -0500 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: <26.2b209cd.25f5ea23@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 00:14:11 EST Subject: Re: Name that distributor To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/6/00 8:26:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, ogilvi@hgea.org writes: > Would this be a six cylinder dizzy by any chance??? Did we happen to count cam lobes? Zack From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 00:36:48 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25097 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 00:36:48 -0500 X-Sender: studios@cwnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Michael Carradine Subject: Re: Name that distributor Message-Id: <20000307053646.TBJB18806.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 21:36:46 -0800 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Aloha Peter wrote: >> Would this be a six cylinder dizzy by any chance??? Zack replied: >Did we happen to count cam lobes? I was going to suggest counting the wires on the cap, but decided to suppress the impulse (something about being kinder in the new millennium ;) -Michael From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 00:42:31 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25107 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 00:42:31 -0500 Message-ID: <002301bf87f5$d34dece0$783377d8@delllap> From: "Paul Archibald" To: References: <20000307053646.TBJB18806.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> Subject: Re: Name that distributor Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 21:27:22 -0800 Organization: P. A. Design X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Michael, Peter's no bonehead! He doesn't have the cap, but the lobes are a dead givaway.....Pete? Paul > Aloha Peter wrote: > >> Would this be a six cylinder dizzy by any chance??? > Zack replied: > >Did we happen to count cam lobes? > > I was going to suggest counting the wires on the > cap, but decided to suppress the impulse (something > about being kinder in the new millennium ;) > > -Michael > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 01:36:41 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25174 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 01:36:41 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000306204400.00ab9350@hgea01.hgea.org> X-Sender: ogilvi@hgea01.hgea.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 20:44:00 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie Subject: Re: Name that distributor In-Reply-To: <002301bf87f5$d34dece0$783377d8@delllap> References: <20000307053646.TBJB18806.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mahalo for the vote of confidence, Paul. Indeed there is no cap. Its a strange looking thing that sits on a 4" or so 'tower' while the distributor part is quite compact. The cam has four lobes so assume that makes it a four cylinder dizzy. Never occurred to me to count the lobes since I've only worked on four cylinder engines. When I went out to check the dizzy came across the Solex carb that was on the 109 when I bought it. If it was the original carb, it has less than 30,000 miles on it. It worked for a very short time after I bought the truck but probably was not working when I switched over to the 2 barrel Weber 10 years ago. Anyway, if anyone has to have a Solex, will let it go for postage and handling. Aloha Peter At 09:27 PM 3/6/00 -0800, you wrote: >Michael, > Peter's no bonehead! > >He doesn't have the cap, but the lobes are a dead givaway.....Pete? > >Paul From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 02:02:38 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25187 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 02:02:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200003070702.XAA16729@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 23:00:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Serious One updates... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Hi All, > > There's lots more to come, but for those interested, I have some pics up on > my Seerious One page. > > http://www.DreamLab.CC/s1/seriousone.html Been, meaning to get around to this.. Whats Tims reachability, does he have E-mail ? I'm interested in putting a more powerful four banger V6 or small V8 in the series III ( along with upgrading any components that need it due to power increase ) within the spring to summer timeframe... I have 24 splined HD axles and ARBS in rear and stock but ARBed front, which may be sufficeint... as I'm not looking for a hot rod... But gearbox T-case???? I'd like either fuel injected or diesel, and the ability to drive with traffic flow up large hills... A full cage and possibly a fuel cell and decent sliders ... May this is work for Doug Shipman?? What do ya think TomW *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 02:52:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25214 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 02:52:29 -0500 To: lro@playground.sun.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org, british-cars@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 23:51:15 -0800 Subject: looking through wrecking yards again... Message-ID: <20000306.235117.-261329.19.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3,5-6,15-16,19-20,22-23,25-30,39-40,43-44,46-53 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Didn't find any Land Rovers/Range Rovers in any wrecking yards today, BUT - for those interested, the U-Pick Parts - Foreign, in Sun Valley (California) has: 2 TR-7's, one with complete engine, the other minus the carbs/intake manifold. Both are hardtops, and have VERY nice bodies on them. 4 (yes - FOUR) Austin Taxis! All are parked side-by-side: two are later types ('60's-onwards), and the other two appear to be late-'40's/'50's models, with more squarer, and taller bodywork. All have engines: two are diesels, one petrol, the 4th (one of the much older ones) had a Chevy 350 w/auto trans stuffed into it! All 4 are RHD, of course. Mainly body/mechanical stuff left - they're pretty beat up: there's a 5th one there, but it's "mounted" on their fence, along with things like half-tracks, Deucey fuel trucks/prop tractor/trailers from "Tank Girl", and other misc. odd cars. (they're collecting small planes now, too...) 1 Humber Super Snipe - STATION WAGON!!!!!!! Body is in VERY good condition, I think it had a few dings, but nothing major (sad to see it there), and pretty much all the glass is still there, too. There's another yard that has a Ford Cortina GT Mk.2 that's missing the engine - but otherwise complete, a '66 or so MGB missing passenger seat/cylinder head/steering rack, but otherwise still had original paint/aluminum bonnet/etc. AND: a COMPLETE ROVER SD-1 w/5-SPEED LT-77 GEARBOX!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'll divulge the location of this yard tomorrow eve, AFTER I have picked what I want off this car (EVERYTHING is still there: guess none of my fellow SD-1 friends have spotted it yet...the engine is immaculate - like somebody took extremely good care of it, it has a NEW brake master/late (Vitesse) booster Koni's on the rear, and I have sitting in my diningroom (I forgot my toolbox at home - which is why I'm going back in the morning) a PERFECT steering wheel! The car hasn't got a scratch on it, let alone rust, and apparently was donated to some charity that didn't want it! (tag inside the windshield) ...and I was in Land Rover mode this morning...was gonna hit up a few "commercial" vehicle wrecking yards, in the search for a Ramsey 20,000-30,000lb winch (why didn't I ever think of this before???). And I still have to call Stewart Warner about that diesel turbine heater that I found in a bakery truck... Charles "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 10:40:20 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26219 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:40:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 07:35:07 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: john hess Subject: where's the Land Rover version? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, The Sac Bee today has an ad that surely should be of interest to, say, Eric or Ben or Tom. Track Kit drive kit for wet snow/soft cond. Fits any 8 hole pattern vehicle with 9/16 bolts Set of 4 tracks, hardly used $15K 209 748 5839 or email isilvas@softcom.net A small photo shows a tank track style on each wheel. Imagine the mud you could run, the snow you could cross! Too bad about the bolt pattern. good morning and cheers, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 10:42:11 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26229 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:42:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200003071546.HAA21951@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: Serious One updates... Date: Tue, 7 Mar 00 07:47:18 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Whats Tims reachability, does he have E-mail ? Timm has e-mail but he is not an e-mail type of person. This means he may eventually get around to reading it but do not count on him replying. Best to reach him by phone. He is a late sleeper so best to call after 9:30 AM He is listed in www.overlander.net under service companies, Oregon. In case you do not want to look for his listing, 541-535-3685 > >I'm interested in putting a more powerful four banger V6 or small V8 >in the series III ( along with upgrading any components that need it >due to power increase ) within the spring to summer timeframe... 8*) Go for a small block GM V8 & you might consider a NV4500 transmission which provides a respectable 6.35 low ratio and a .73 overdrive in a five speed configuration. If you decide on fuel injection, Timm can do this but is not real fast with electronic stuff. >A full cage and possibly a fuel cell and decent sliders ... Look under Timm's 88 for sliders that work. Since your shock absorbers limit your rig's articulation you might consider the shock mount mods I have been writing about off & on. >May this is work for Doug Shipman?? I personally think Doug is the better for repairs & maintenance type things & Timm is the best for radical fabrication jobs. > >What do ya think Sounds interesting. Plan to get in Timm's que at least 4 months before you want to get the work done. He is a busy boy. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 11:47:30 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26320 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:47:30 -0500 X-Sender: studios@cwnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: rro@playground.sun.com From: Michael Carradine Subject: Yikes! - Door handle breaks!! Cc: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Message-Id: <20000307164726.CUBG18806.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 08:47:26 -0800 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Something seemed to be up as I was loading the last of the ground coffee into the drip filter... Sure enough, I try to get into the driver's door on the RR when the rectangular door latch breaks off!! Good morning! Can't even get into the RR - have to crawl across the passenger side to open it from the inside. Hope I don't get into a crash or plunge off a bridge into water with a samaritan trying to open the door from the outside. Dealer has to order the assembly, $120, says it's not a fun job taking the interior door panel off. Shouldn't this item be covered by a lifetime warranty? Certainly it seems more important than an emissions item. Anyone have a spare driver's exterior door handle assembly? I didn't think so :( -Michael '89 RR Walnut Creek, CA near San Francisco PS- Compared to the brushed aluminum, the black door handles on most Disco's look slick. Let's see, 4 assemblies at $120 .... Nah! From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 11:56:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26380 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:56:08 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000307085504.0084da00@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 08:55:04 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Re: where's the Land Rover version? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Track Kit drive kit for wet snow/soft cond. Fits any 8 hole pattern >vehicle with 9/16 bolts Set of 4 tracks, hardly used $15K [snip] >Too bad about the bolt pattern. Sounds like Mattracks. I recall reading that they are "only" $15K a set, brand new, and are available for Land-Rovers. I'll bet that a new set could even be custom ordered for the 6-bolt pattern of the LR 101FC. I must admit, I think that a 101FC with Mattracks would make a v. handsome sight! Hmmm, picture Tom's FC with Mattracks on it and on the Rubery-Owen trailer as well... Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 12:18:53 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26523 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:18:53 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:12:32 -0800 Subject: Re: Yikes! - Door handle breaks!! Message-ID: <20000307.091554.-261329.23.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4,6-42 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm not positive BUT - it would appear that the front door handles on the Rangie came off of, say, a TR-7? Charles On Tue, 7 Mar 2000 08:47:26 -0800 Michael Carradine writes: > > Something seemed to be up as I was loading the last of the > ground coffee into the drip filter... > > Sure enough, I try to get into the driver's door on the RR > when the rectangular door latch breaks off!! Good morning! > Can't even get into the RR - have to crawl across the > passenger side to open it from the inside. Hope I don't > get into a crash or plunge off a bridge into water with a > samaritan trying to open the door from the outside. > > Dealer has to order the assembly, $120, says it's not a fun > job taking the interior door panel off. Shouldn't this > item be covered by a lifetime warranty? Certainly it seems > more important than an emissions item. > > Anyone have a spare driver's exterior door handle assembly? > I didn't think so :( > > -Michael > > '89 RR > > Walnut Creek, CA > near San Francisco > > PS- Compared to the brushed aluminum, the black door handles > on most Disco's look slick. Let's see, 4 assemblies at $120 > .... Nah! > > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 12:23:39 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26547 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:23:39 -0500 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: <88.15a6805.25f694f4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:23:00 EST Subject: Re: where's the Land Rover version? To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/7/00 7:42:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us writes: > Track Kit drive kit for wet snow/soft cond. Fits any 8 hole pattern > vehicle with 9/16 bolts Set of 4 tracks, hardly used $15K 209 748 > 5839 or email isilvas@softcom.net > > A small photo shows a tank track style on each wheel. > > Imagine the mud you could run, the snow you could cross! Too bad > about the bolt pattern. > Anybody wants to spend $15K changing their beloved 88" or 109" into a Rice Harvester, I'll tackle the wheel center problem for them. Zack From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 12:31:14 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26581 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:31:14 -0500 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:30:36 EST Subject: Re: Yikes! - Door handle breaks!! To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/7/00 8:48:40 AM Pacific Standard Time, cs@landrover.net writes: > > Anyone have a spare driver's exterior door handle assembly? > I didn't think so :( > Try Alfa Parts Exchange, and the door panel is a snap to get off. Zack From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 12:49:38 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26605 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:49:38 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01bf885d$9019a8c0$ed34cbcc@johnbenh> From: "John R. Benham" To: References: <20000307164726.CUBG18806.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> Subject: Re: Yikes! - Door handle breaks!! Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:50:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Michael writes: > Dealer has to order the assembly, $120, says it's not a fun > job taking the interior door panel off. It's not too bad of a job. 1. Snap the plastic lock cover out carefully - it's easy to break the small plastic tabs. 2. Inside the door pull is a small oval plastic snap cover - a very small bladed screw driver will up-snap ti to give access to and remove the hidden screw. 3. Use a large bladed screwdriver to un-snap the press-on panel snaps starting bottom up. 4. As the panel is removed, you have to un-do the speaker wires - hopefully you're a contortionist or have another person to assist... 5. A clear plastic cover sheet is taped on the edges - carefully remove that then you should have complete inner door access. While there, might as well clean the door lock solenoid plug contacts since they invaribly they get dirty causing intermittentent function. Good luck! John B. Spokane Shouldn't this > item be covered by a lifetime warranty? Certainly it seems > more important than an emissions item. > > Anyone have a spare driver's exterior door handle assembly? > I didn't think so :( > > -Michael > > '89 RR > > Walnut Creek, CA > near San Francisco > > PS- Compared to the brushed aluminum, the black door handles > on most Disco's look slick. Let's see, 4 assemblies at $120 > .... Nah! > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 13:35:30 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26713 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:35:30 -0500 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:25:22 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Yikes! - Door handle breaks!! In-Reply-To: <20000307.091554.-261329.23.cirvin1258@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yes, and Austin Marina, and I imagine several other British vehicles. On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Charles R Irvin wrote: > I'm not positive BUT - it would appear that the front door handles on the > Rangie came off of, say, a TR-7? > > Charles > > On Tue, 7 Mar 2000 08:47:26 -0800 Michael Carradine > writes: > > > > Something seemed to be up as I was loading the last of the > > ground coffee into the drip filter... > > > > Sure enough, I try to get into the driver's door on the RR > > when the rectangular door latch breaks off!! Good morning! > > Can't even get into the RR - have to crawl across the > > passenger side to open it from the inside. Hope I don't > > get into a crash or plunge off a bridge into water with a > > samaritan trying to open the door from the outside. > > > > Dealer has to order the assembly, $120, says it's not a fun > > job taking the interior door panel off. Shouldn't this > > item be covered by a lifetime warranty? Certainly it seems > > more important than an emissions item. > > > > Anyone have a spare driver's exterior door handle assembly? > > I didn't think so :( > > > > -Michael > > > > '89 RR > > > > Walnut Creek, CA > > near San Francisco > > > > PS- Compared to the brushed aluminum, the black door handles > > on most Disco's look slick. Let's see, 4 assemblies at $120 > > .... Nah! > > > > > > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, > where all the women are strong, > all the men are good-looking, > and all the children, are above average." > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 15:33:45 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27823 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:33:45 -0500 Message-ID: <20000307203224.19035.qmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:32:24 -0800 (PST) From: joe mulqueen Subject: british car swap meet To: mendo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello & FYI, Mini Mania in Milpitas, CA (near San Jose) is having their anual British car parts swap meet this Sunday, 3-12. They are also having a 10% discount on counter sales. Their website: minimania.com JoeM '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 17:57:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27949 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 17:57:37 -0500 Date: 7 Mar 2000 14:57:27 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org X-Sender: web79245@dreamlab.cc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Yikes! - Door handle breaks!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Michael, If you can't find one locally, I know that Shipman has several on a wrecked Range Rover in his back lot. 503-252-5566 Good luck! Michael Slade Portland, Oregon www.DreamLab.cc From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 18:50:39 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28069 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:50:39 -0500 Message-ID: <000201bf8890$00ad78a0$7500000a@kklaptop> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Range Rover Door Latches Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:30:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Michael Carradine: >Sure enough, I try to get into the driver's door on the >RR when the rectangular door latch breaks off!! >Good morning! Can't even get into the RR - have >to crawl across the passenger side to open it from >the inside. Send an e-mail to: shaneab@jps.net He just sent me the e-mail below today: Thank you in advance for the information on cleaning out the power seat switches. It's refreshing to see that there ARE some do-it-yourself Range Rover owners..............my driver's door outer handle was torn -- the shiny metal handle part itself -- so you couldn't open the door from the outside. The mostly-stripped Rover at the junkyard didn't have a front door anymore, but the back door was trashed, and the guy was happy to sell me the rear door handle assembly instead. The handle itself is the same for both doors, and swapping out the broken piece was a pretty straightforward job (pressing out the hinge pin with a punch and prying up a small clip). Now I have a working front door, and I'm sure it worked out to be less expensive than it would have been if I'd had to purchase a front handle assembly (with lock) and either tried to swap out the handle or get it re-keyed. Figured that someone somewhere would appreciate the info -- mine can't be the only Rover that's ever had the front door handle sheared in two, and the previous owner never fixed it because he said that Range Rover wanted $200 just for the part, and more to install it. Kevin Kelly P.S. The Range Rover door handles are the same as the ones on the Austin Kimberly and Morris Marina from the early 70's and the Lotus Esprit Turbo from the early 80's. Someone mentioned that the TR7 may also have them. Let me know if anyone finds out if the TR7 handles fit for sure. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 19:38:36 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28163 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 19:38:36 -0500 From: StevHutch@aol.com Message-ID: <33.22a57fd.25f6fae6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 19:37:58 EST Subject: LED Truck tail lights To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 39 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was thinking the same thing , having seen those generic LED tailights on some semi-trucks recently....Anyone know where one could locate them..?? - Steve Hutchins Granny wrote: << I meant to mention in my previous posting that for those who wish to consider those truck lamps for tail lamps, they are now available in LED versions. Put out a v. strong light and supposed to last nearly forever. >> From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 19:38:36 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28164 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 19:38:36 -0500 From: "Worldwide Rovers" To: Subject: Series 1 parts Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 16:33:18 -0800 Message-ID: <000501bf8895$e6a8f3c0$062664d8@com.humboldt1.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <200003061953.OAA23956@guinness.ovlr.org> Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Blair..... Before you send off to the UK, call me at 707-268-0215 (or work 800-925-2422 , weekdays 6:15am to 1:00pm). I may have the part and I am anxious to get rid of a lot of my parts because we are putting everything into storage. Our house sold and our move didn't pan out. Clark Bowen From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 20:06:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28191 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 20:06:04 -0500 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: <6a.ee287e.25f70156@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 20:05:26 EST Subject: Re: LED Truck tail lights To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/7/00 4:40:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, StevHutch@aol.com writes: > I was thinking the same thing , having seen those generic LED tailights on > some semi-trucks recently....Anyone know where one could locate them..?? > Some are available from guys like Northern Hydraulic, or similar catalogue discounters, but they also are available from the next truck stop you drive by. I get mine at a better parts house where they have a big display. Zack From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 21:05:30 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28219 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 21:05:30 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: LED Truck tail lights Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:12:57 -0800 Message-ID: <000101bf88a3$d21b1420$d205193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <33.22a57fd.25f6fae6@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Truck stops have them too. Kelly Minnick > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org > [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org]On Behalf Of StevHutch@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 4:38 PM > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: LED Truck tail lights > > > I was thinking the same thing , having seen those generic LED > tailights on > some semi-trucks recently....Anyone know where one could locate them..?? > > - Steve Hutchins > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 21:11:31 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28229 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 21:11:31 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Yikes! - Door handle breaks!! Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:18:59 -0800 Message-ID: <000301bf88a4$a9d9caa0$d205193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org What is Doug Shipman's phone # / e-mail. I'm looking into rebuilding my 3.9 and would like some advice... Later, Kelly Minnick > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org > [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org]On Behalf Of Michael Slade > Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 2:57 PM > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: Re: Yikes! - Door handle breaks!! > > > Michael, > > If you can't find one locally, I know that Shipman has several on > a wrecked > Range Rover in his back lot. > > 503-252-5566 > > Good luck! > > > Michael Slade > Portland, Oregon > www.DreamLab.cc > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 22:48:52 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28281 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 22:48:52 -0500 To: mikedenman@earthlink.net, lro@playground.sun.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org, british-cars@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 19:44:16 -0800 Subject: Re: looking through wrecking yards again... Message-ID: <20000307.194418.-261329.32.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-6,8-9,13-24 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Okay... Several people asked me about some of the cars I spotted yesterday... The SD-1, the Cortina, and the MGB were all in the Pick Your Part in Sun Valley, at the corner of Glenoaks, and Pendleton. There's also a late model XJ-6 there: engine and trans are gone, as is most of the interior, but the body/suspension is all there. All I grabbed off the SD-1, was the Konis', the fan/fan clutch, the interior door panels (only 3 there, but they were immaculate! Still can read the 1979 build date on the backs of them!), and the radiator - because it had recently been done. Would be a shame to let the remainder of it go...VERY clean engine! BTW - of the 4 taxis - the two older ones were FX-2's! Charles "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 8 00:46:28 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28959 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 00:46:28 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000307214541.006afab0@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 21:45:41 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Doug Shipman, was RE: Yikes! In-Reply-To: <000301bf88a4$a9d9caa0$d205193f@minnick> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >What is Doug Shipman's phone # / e-mail. I'm looking into rebuilding my 3.9 >and would like some advice... Ships Mechanical Services, Inc. 503-252-5566 Fax 503-252-0412 12741 NE Whitaker Way Portland, OR 97230 Home: Doug and Jean Shipman 945 NE 188th Portland, OR 97230 No e-mail, as far as I know. Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 8 00:54:41 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28970 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 00:54:41 -0500 Date: 7 Mar 2000 21:54:28 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org X-Sender: web79245@dreamlab.cc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: 3.9 rebuild Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >What is Doug Shipman's phone # / e-mail. I'm looking into rebuilding my 3.9 >and would like some advice... Later, > >Kelly Minnick Kelly, I recently opted to upgrade to a balanced and blueprinted 4.2 rather than rebuild my 3.9. You can call me tomorrow if you want to talk about it. 503-329-6800 (cell) Doug did all the work and it's turned out awesome. Anyway, the story is much to long for an e-mail, so if you're interested.... Later, Michael Slade Portland, Oregon www.DreamLab.cc From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 8 01:58:13 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28995 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 01:58:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200003080658.WAA13339@smtp.Stanford.EDU> X-Sender: waycool@popserver.stanford.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 22:55:27 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: waycool@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rich Lee MD) Subject: FHL Trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org KC, Sorry I couldn't get free to meet up with you guys anyway. Thanks for offering to leave me a note at base camp. Must have been cold & wet, ideal Mendo trip weather. TomW Hope things go OK with the family Illness. FWIW, I appreciate the effort/hassle/frustration/FC101 gasoline fumes you went through to try to pull this trip off. Rich From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 8 10:39:10 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29678 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:39:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200003081543.HAA22330@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Serious I Date: Wed, 8 Mar 00 07:44:17 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I recently opted to upgrade to a balanced and blueprinted 4.2 rather than >rebuild my 3.9. >Michael Slade Gee Michael I can tell you are getting serious about the serious I. 4.2 in the lightest frame/body of the bunch...... TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 8 11:00:09 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29705 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:00:09 -0500 Date: 8 Mar 2000 08:00:07 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org X-Sender: web79245@dreamlab.cc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Serious I Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >>I recently opted to upgrade to a balanced and blueprinted 4.2 rather than >>rebuild my 3.9. > >>Michael Slade > >Gee Michael I can tell you are getting serious about the serious I. 4.2 >in the lightest frame/body of the bunch...... > > >TeriAnn Actually, the 4.2 went in the Range Rover. The big pig needed a little more oomph. Hehe. Michael Slade Portland, Oregon www.DreamLab.cc From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 8 13:39:11 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29912 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 13:39:11 -0500 Message-ID: <20000308183736.8461.qmail@web206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:37:36 -0800 (PST) From: joe mulqueen Subject: 88 4sale in P.A. To: mendo Cc: Kent Douglas , Randy Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org FYI........ The "'67" 88 station wagon (with addl truck cab & tailgate) owner has lowered the price to meet my old (and now expired) $4200 offer. The owner's crotchedy mother is performing the sale. I'm going back to "reluctantly" look at it again (and also the station wagon top for the first time). If anyone is possibly interested in this truck - let me know. Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 8 15:01:40 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30141 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:01:40 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000308120326.00850210@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 12:03:26 -0800 To: mendo_recce From: Granville Pool Subject: Cool 1/18 scale model--today's BP special Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Wednesday, March 8, 2000 New Product 1/18th Scale Die Cast Eagle die cast Series III 109" Regular Measuring a whopping 9" long and weighing in at a stout 2 lbs., these scale replicas are packed with detail! These super models are a great bargain at only... $29.95! Check out the web page for more details. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 8 15:31:58 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30216 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:31:58 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A3C8@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Cool 1/18 scale model--today's BP special Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 13:35:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks Granny! The diesel motor was the clincher! I ordered a marine blue P/U and a hard top. Now I can play with the toys when it's too nasty out to work in the garage, and the Special Edition Barbie dolls Cheryl collects a few of will have something to drive! -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 8 17:09:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30275 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:09:08 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000308141053.007c9bb0@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 14:10:53 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: RE: Cool 1/18 scale model--today's BP special In-Reply-To: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A3C8@RCEXS2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org DaveG wrote: >The diesel motor was the clincher! I ordered a marine blue P/U and a hard >top. Now I can play with the toys when it's too nasty out to work in the >garage, and the Special Edition Barbie dolls Cheryl collects a few of will >have something to drive! I ordered the bronze green 109 military ragtop. This will expand my collection of 1/18th-scale models which so far consists of a Jag XK-180 and a Tucker Torpedo. I love the detail these big models can have. Makes me feel a little better that I could not afford to buy the incredible Pocher d'Italia models when they were so reasonable, years ago. If you're into car models and want to see some of the best, check out the works of Gerald and Phyllis Wingrove (vintage cars, mostly) at: http://members.xoom.com/wingrove1/index2.html http://earth.vol.com/~augie/carsthumbwingrove1.html The first listed link is the Wingroves's own site. The second is a model site with a page featuring Wingrove but with some other good stuff as well. If you're into "Special Edition" Barbies, check out the Trailer Trash Barbies at http://www.trailertrashdoll.com/ They have Drag Queen Barbies, too! For obvious reasons, they've had to stop calling them "Barbies." Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 8 17:24:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30287 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:24:37 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:22:36 -0800 Subject: Re: Cool 1/18 scale model--today's BP special Message-ID: <20000308.142237.-261329.41.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-7,10-11,13-64 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I can't help but get into this one... for a REAL collection of toy cars, check out this cool little place I found during my walkabout in Brussels, last September: www.modelshop.be Charles P.S. I saw those Land Rover toys at BP yesterday - VERY cool, but as with real 109's, they don't steer for s#@t! I may end up getting the tan 109 hardtop...looks alot like Gillian... On Wed, 08 Mar 2000 14:10:53 -0800 Granville Pool writes: > DaveG wrote: > > >The diesel motor was the clincher! I ordered a marine blue P/U and > a hard > >top. Now I can play with the toys when it's too nasty out to work > in the > >garage, and the Special Edition Barbie dolls Cheryl collects a few > of will > >have something to drive! > > I ordered the bronze green 109 military ragtop. This will expand my > collection of 1/18th-scale models which so far consists of a Jag > XK-180 and > a Tucker Torpedo. I love the detail these big models can have. > Makes me > feel a little better that I could not afford to buy the incredible > Pocher > d'Italia models when they were so reasonable, years ago. > > If you're into car models and want to see some of the best, check > out the > works of Gerald and Phyllis Wingrove (vintage cars, mostly) at: > > http://members.xoom.com/wingrove1/index2.html > http://earth.vol.com/~augie/carsthumbwingrove1.html > > The first listed link is the Wingroves's own site. The second is a > model > site with a page featuring Wingrove but with some other good stuff > as well. > > If you're into "Special Edition" Barbies, check out the Trailer > Trash > Barbies at > > http://www.trailertrashdoll.com/ > > They have Drag Queen Barbies, too! For obvious reasons, they've had > to > stop calling them "Barbies." > > Cheers, > > > Granny > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 8 17:26:58 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30298 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:26:58 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A3CE@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Cool 1/18 scale model--today's BP special Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:30:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm not sure which gave me a worse case of the chills, Wingrove's incredible models, or Trailer Trash Barbie! -Dave G..... From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 8 19:02:10 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30361 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:02:10 -0500 To: lro@playground.sun.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 16:01:49 -0800 Subject: Ever have one of those days - Pt. 2... Message-ID: <20000308.160150.-261329.42.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-5,8-11,13-23 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This is especially for Dave G., or Diesel Bob: I decided to go out this afrernoon (since the weather hasn't been co-operating with any of my other plans), and replace the injector pump on my 109 (diesel). Get the old one off, get ready to put new one on, and I have this brainstorm of an idea: "Hey - how 'bout I check the pump timing while I'm at it?" So, I remove the timing mark cover, and guess what? NO POINTER! I recall that Dave had to buy one as well...did you get one for a petrol engine - or is the diesel pointer specific? >From somebody that needs to know. Thanks, Charles "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 8 20:10:46 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30437 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 20:10:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200003090110.RAA24145@blacker.gdbg.org> From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Mojave Rd Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 17:10:44 -0800 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I wasn't paying attention to the planned Mojave Road trip since I wasn't planning on attending. But now I'm thinking of going for at least Saturday and Sunday. Who is in charge? Where (in Needles or at the trail head--I don't need directions just the locatation) and when is the starting point? I figure this should be a good shakedown trip for the 101. Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 8 22:07:26 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30479 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 22:07:26 -0500 Message-ID: <38C71464.368CA61C@slip.net> Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 19:03:00 -0800 From: Jeremy Bartlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo recce Subject: NCRC Members in LRW Photo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Apparently Matt Ross's article appears in the May issue. However, April'sl just arrived and I happened to glance at the last photo page ("F Stop") and had to take a second look. The vehicles looked a bit familiar as did some terrain. It seems to be Chris Dow driving the 110 followed by Regent then Spot (?) Jeremy From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 01:28:56 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA31312 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 01:28:56 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: 88 4sale in P.A. Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 22:36:28 -0800 Message-ID: <000601bf8991$ccda8740$4505193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <20000308183736.8461.qmail@web206.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Have interest, just too many of them! :) If I didn't have a Saab 96 engine to rebuild and a 3.9L R.Rover engine to rebuild, and an interest in Pinzgauers, I would at least look at it... Oh, and the BMW 533i that's begging to be bought! Later, Kelly Minnick > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org > [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org]On Behalf Of joe mulqueen > Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 10:38 AM > To: mendo > Cc: Kent Douglas; Randy Williams > Subject: 88 4sale in P.A. > > > FYI........ > > The "'67" 88 station wagon (with addl truck cab & > tailgate) owner has lowered the price to meet my old > (and now expired) $4200 offer. > The owner's crotchedy mother is performing the sale. > I'm going back to "reluctantly" look at it again (and > also the station wagon top for the first time). If > anyone is possibly interested in this truck - let me > know. > > Joe Mulqueen > '67 SIIA 109 SW > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 03:32:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA31338 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 03:32:00 -0500 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 00:31:52 -0800 (PST) From: Alexander George Cooper Message-Id: <200003090831.AAA20667@epic4.Stanford.EDU> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: FHL Trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have set up a page with some pictures from the FHL trip at this URL: http://63.195.181.180/Alex/lr/index.html I also have some pictures from the two trail clearing trips and the LPNF/FHL recce but these are not up yet. I will add them when I have time. Alexander From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 10:02:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31681 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:02:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200003091506.HAA04144@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: Mojave Rd Date: Thu, 9 Mar 00 07:07:39 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I guess I'm championing the trip since I have been the only one mentioning it lately. The plan is to follow your directions from http://www.fourfold.org/mendo_recce/Mojave.y2k Current meeting place is where the trail crosses Needles Rd. Mojave Road crosses Needles Rd. 16.2 miles from needles. There is a small (1.5 foot) rock cairn on the trail on the side of the road. N 35d 03.125', W 114d 40.552' or UTM: 11S E0711967 N3881290 Turn left onto the Mojave Road We currently plan to start from that location at 9AM Saturday. I and possibly others will be camping on the trail near the intersection Fri night. There are motel rooms in Needles for those who would like one last night in a real bed and a morning shower. I'm looking forward to see one of your 101 collection. > I wasn't paying attention to the planned Mojave Road trip since I >wasn't planning on attending. But now I'm thinking of going for at least >Saturday and Sunday. Who is in charge? Where (in Needles or at the trail >head--I don't need directions just the locatation) and when is the starting >point? > > I figure this should be a good shakedown trip for the 101. > >Ben > TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 10:15:30 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31719 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:15:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200003091519.HAA04603@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Mar 18-19 Majove Rd not-a-trip Date: Thu, 9 Mar 00 07:20:39 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "LRO list" , "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The March into madness Majove Not-A-Trip (TM) The Majove trail is an early covered wagon trail that brought settlers West through the Majove desert into Southern California. This is an easy camping trip along a historic trail through scenic South West desert country. This is a no host trip that is open to all with an off road capable 4X4. We will be treading lightly as this is a very delicate ecosystem. Fri Mar 17 Those who want to camp near trailhead for the night Sat Mar 18 Leave trailhead at 9:00 AM Sun Mar 19 We are done when we are done, probably mid late afternoon. There are camp sites near by if anyone wants to spend the night & go home Monday. Meeting place (9:00AM): Majove Road crosses Needles Rd. 16.2 miles from needles. There is a small (1.5 foot) rock cairn on the trail on the side of the road. N 35d 03.125', W 114d 40.552' or UTM: 11S E0711967 N3881290 Turn left onto the Majove Road Directions from earlier trip (Thanks Ben) http://www.fourfold.org/mendo_recce/Majove.y2k See ya there! TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 10:40:30 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31741 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:40:30 -0500 Message-ID: <022701bf89db$8c16a280$14d0efd1@delllap> From: "Paul Archibald" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20000308120326.00850210@pacific.net> Subject: Re: Cool 1/18 scale model--today's BP special Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:24:21 -0800 Organization: P. A. Design X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Look on ebay! Someone is already selling one for ....$34.00 so far... they are already going up. good thing I bought the tan regular and the green soft-top. ;-) I guess I should keep them in the package like all the other collectors, but they are going on the desk at the new job tomorrow! paul ----- Original Message ----- From: Granville Pool To: mendo_recce Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 12:03 PM Subject: Cool 1/18 scale model--today's BP special > Wednesday, March 8, 2000 > > New Product > 1/18th Scale Die Cast > Eagle die cast Series III 109" Regular > Measuring a whopping 9" long and weighing in at a stout 2 lbs., these scale > replicas are packed with detail! > These super models are a great bargain at only... $29.95! > > Check out the web page for more details. > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 12:06:59 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31876 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:06:59 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A3E0@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mojave Rd Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:10:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org For the record I'll be there with two friends and a Toy 4-runner. Possibly another friend with a full size P/U. Camping @ the start of the trail Friday night per Ben's instructions. Looking forward to meeting more Mendo friends in person, and to seeing the 101 in action. Ben, let us know if you need someone to caravan out with. My friend Jamie with the 4-runner lives in West Covina, about 5 mi off the 10 fwy (Citrus Exit). Thanks, TAW, for taking the lead. -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 12:09:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31886 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:09:29 -0500 Message-ID: <00b001bf89e8$61f92880$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20000308120326.00850210@pacific.net> <022701bf89db$8c16a280$14d0efd1@delllap> Subject: Re: Cool 1/18 scale model--today's BP special Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 06:56:15 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Look on ebay! > Someone is already selling one for ....$34.00 so far... > These things first appeared in January's LRO magazine. With shipping they were 57$ from England. They have been appearing on ebay since that time. There is one version, a gold hardtop made special for the heritage trust museam, only 2000 of them made. The yellow AA hardtop is sweet. Haven't seen a diesel engine in any though as one email mentioned. Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 12:14:39 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31896 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:14:39 -0500 Message-ID: <00ba01bf89e9$1d341100$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: <200003090831.AAA20667@epic4.Stanford.EDU> Subject: Sightings Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:01:29 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Aloha, just back from the western regional rifle & pistol matches held at Ft Huachuca, AZ. Saw a white D90 w/out the top out side of post and a light blue (very faded) 109 5 door and a green D90 hardtop in Tucson. Plus the normal assortment of Disco's and Rangies. Made the mistake of thinking that Arizona was warm year round, had to go out and buy a bunch of cold weather gear first day there to keep from freezing my but off. 50 during the day....brrrrrrr. Was sure nice to walk of the ramp back in Oahu ;-) Later Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 12:50:24 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31914 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:50:24 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 09:49:30 -0800 Subject: Re: Sightings Message-ID: <20000309.094932.-261329.53.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-28 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Pete, didja make it over to Davis-Monthan?? On Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:01:29 -1000 "Peter Hope" writes: > Aloha, > just back from the western regional rifle & pistol matches held at > Ft > Huachuca, AZ. Saw a white D90 w/out the top out side of post and a > light > blue (very faded) 109 5 door and a green D90 hardtop in Tucson. > Plus the > normal assortment of Disco's and Rangies. > Made the mistake of thinking that Arizona was warm year round, had > to go out > and buy a bunch of cold weather gear first day there to keep from > freezing > my but off. 50 during the day....brrrrrrr. Was sure nice to walk > of the > ramp back in Oahu ;-) > Later > Pete > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 12:50:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31919 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:50:29 -0500 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:40:24 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sightings In-Reply-To: <00ba01bf89e9$1d341100$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, Peter Hope wrote: > Made the mistake of thinking that Arizona was warm year round, had to go out > and buy a bunch of cold weather gear first day there to keep from freezing > my but off. 50 during the day....brrrrrrr. Was sure nice to walk of the > ramp back in Oahu ;-) 50 is cold? My buddy who works on top of Mauna Kea thinks that is warm for Hawaii. In my part of Arizona, there is 6 inches of snow on the ground. James From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 13:07:01 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31952 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:07:01 -0500 Message-ID: <00dc01bf89f0$6454d220$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: Subject: Re: Sightings Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:53:32 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > 50 is cold? My buddy who works on top of Mauna Kea thinks that is warm > for Hawaii. > 50 was the daytime high and yes that was cold. Got down to 30-35 at night, that was unbearable. And this from someone who spent 22 years in Maine, lol. > In my part of Arizona, there is 6 inches of snow on the ground. Thunder Mt had snow on top. We had a couple of guys who had never been off island before, so it was kinda funny to watch their expressions when we arrived and were waiting on the ramp for transport. Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 13:10:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31977 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:10:27 -0500 Message-ID: <00e201bf89f0$dd5d5160$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: <20000309.094932.-261329.53.cirvin1258@juno.com> Subject: Re: Sightings Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:56:55 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Pete, > > didja make it over to Davis-Monthan?? > We only had one down day and used that to buy guns (Hawaii has some of the strictest laws in the nation) but we did drive around DM. Boy I would love to spend a day or two walking around that place. Saw a bunch of plastic wrapped A-10's and I think some F-15's near the freeway, plus all the other birds. Really cool place. Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 13:19:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31997 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:19:00 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000309101555.007c2940@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 10:15:55 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: Sightings In-Reply-To: <00dc01bf89f0$6454d220$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org When I was still working for IBM, We would attend classes in Dallas or Atlanta. The guys who came over from Hawaii had no cold weather clothes so IBM bought some topcoats for them to borrow for their stay. Bob B At 07:53 AM 3/9/2000 -1000, you wrote: >> 50 is cold? My buddy who works on top of Mauna Kea thinks that is warm >> for Hawaii. >> >50 was the daytime high and yes that was cold. Got down to 30-35 at night, >that was unbearable. And this from someone who spent 22 years in Maine, >lol. > >> In my part of Arizona, there is 6 inches of snow on the ground. >Thunder Mt had snow on top. We had a couple of guys who had never been off >island before, so it was kinda funny to watch their expressions when we >arrived and were waiting on the ramp for transport. >Pete > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 13:33:43 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32017 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:33:43 -0500 Message-ID: <01E1F0FA698CD111949200A0C99DD2EE1B375E@atoll.esri.com> From: Tom Gross To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Mojave trip Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:34:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I just wanted to send a public thanks to Dave Gomes for his help in getting my 109 running sweetly again. Perhaps you folks noticed that Dave traded me a distributor for an inner steering column and recirculating nut. What you didn't know was that Dave personally picked up the steering column and then personally delivered the distributor. This necessitated his driving about 300 extra miles for each exchange - a much appreciated effort - perhaps mitigated by the company of 3 other characters he was able to travel along with on the first trip out from LA. It looks as if I'll be going out on the Mojave not-a-trip on Friday afternoon. I'm planning to leave Redlands via I-10, head towards Palm Springs, then go up through Twentynine Palms out to Amboy, Goffs, and Needles. For anyone headed out by the same route on Friday, my place would be a good spot for meeting up for travel out as a group. Let me know. Thanks again, Dave Tom Gross From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 13:54:18 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32043 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:54:18 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CD859@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Cc: "'Beltran, Fred'" Subject: RE: Mojave trip Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:57:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...Perhaps you folks noticed that Dave traded me > a distributor for an inner steering column and recirculating nut...." > >From my POV, that's not quite accurate as it implies a quid pro quo arrangement. This was not the case. Tom volunteered the ($200 retail) steering column to me, asking nothing in return. I was just glad that chance allowed me to compensate him in some close-to-like manner for his generosity. Keepin' it real, here in Mendo-list-land. I can't believe my good fortune in finding you all. -Dave G. PS- Tom, we'll see about hooking up, as Jamie, Fred, and I will definitely be coming right by your place sometime on Friday. > ---------- > From: Tom Gross[SMTP:tgross@esri.com] > Reply To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 11:34 AM > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: Mojave trip > > I just wanted to send a public thanks to Dave Gomes for his help in > getting > my 109 running sweetly again. Perhaps you folks noticed that Dave traded > me > a distributor for an inner steering column and recirculating nut. What > you > didn't know was that Dave personally picked up the steering column and > then > personally delivered the distributor. This necessitated his driving about > 300 extra miles for each exchange - a much appreciated effort - perhaps > mitigated by the company of 3 other characters he was able to travel along > with on the first trip out from LA. > > It looks as if I'll be going out on the Mojave not-a-trip on Friday > afternoon. I'm planning to leave Redlands via I-10, head towards Palm > Springs, then go up through Twentynine Palms out to Amboy, Goffs, and > Needles. For anyone headed out by the same route on Friday, my place > would > be a good spot for meeting up for travel out as a group. Let me know. > > Thanks again, Dave > > Tom Gross > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 16:40:14 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32152 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:40:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200003092140.NAA26026@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org cc: "LRO list" Subject: Re: Mar 18-19 Majove Rd not-a-trip In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 09 Mar 2000 07:20:39 PST." <200003091519.HAA04603@blackie.cruzers.com> Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 13:40:12 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200003091519.HAA04603@blackie.cruzers.com>you wrote: > Directions from earlier trip (Thanks Ben) > http://www.fourfold.org/mendo_recce/Majove.y2k One slight correction since web browsers are picky: http://www.fourfold.org/mendo_recce/Mojave.y2k Ben -- Benjamin Smith Land Rover '72 SIII 88", '94 Discovery 5-Spd bens@gdbg.org '73 RHD & '76 LHD 101 Forward Controls "..If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entries from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. He'd drive it up the Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..." --Kevin Archie From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 18:07:36 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32248 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 18:07:36 -0500 Message-ID: <000401bf8a1c$3ef00d20$7500000a@kklaptop> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Models and More Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:25:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Someone posted about a model at BP today and it reminded me that I just got some spam from a model car company about their updated web site today. I have bought about a dozen cars from EWA for my nephews (tons of models for good prices), but I have never gone to their web site. Wow, it is an impressive site in addition to tons of Land Rover models (I did a keyword search for Land Rover) it has stuff like Camel Trophy videos and even some 101 FC manuals!! Kevin Kelly EWA now has a new website. Visit http://ewacars.com/ and let us know what you think about it. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 21:53:20 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32354 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 21:53:20 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000309170051.00abf810@hgea01.hgea.org> X-Sender: ogilvi@hgea01.hgea.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 17:00:51 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie Subject: Re: Sightings In-Reply-To: References: <00ba01bf89e9$1d341100$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ah yes its cold on Mauna Kea, after all its only 13.5 thousand feet ASL, but!!! You don't need to feel sorry for your Mauna Kea Buddy. Within a half hour he can be frolicking in the surf with a temp of 80 degrees, 360 days a year. Of course Its a dry cold in Aridzona, I know!!! Aloha Peter Kona Coffee Rover >50 is cold? My buddy who works on top of Mauna Kea thinks that is warm >for Hawaii. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 22:00:34 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32364 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 22:00:34 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000309170812.00ab98b0@hgea01.hgea.org> X-Sender: ogilvi@hgea01.hgea.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 17:08:12 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie Subject: Re: Sightings In-Reply-To: <00dc01bf89f0$6454d220$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org BTDT. First time I went to visit my parents in Kalamazoo was after moving to the Islands was at Thanksgiving. Got on the plane in shorts and an aloha shirt. It never occurred to me that things aren't always sunny and 80 degrees everywhere in the world. Got off in Kalamazoo in a snowstorm. Thought I was going to freeze to death getting to the car. We had a couple of guys who had never been off >island before, so it was kinda funny to watch their expressions when we >arrived and were waiting on the ramp for transport. >Pete > > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 22:07:20 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32377 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 22:07:20 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000309190415.00822de0@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 19:04:15 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: Sightings In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000309170812.00ab98b0@hgea01.hgea.org> References: <00dc01bf89f0$6454d220$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On A similar note, In the summer time the sun shines 100 percent of the time in Silicon valley so when I went to Washington DC for classes, I would never think to bring an umbrella or raincoat. Bob B At 05:08 PM 3/9/2000, you wrote: >BTDT. First time I went to visit my parents in Kalamazoo was after moving >to the Islands was at Thanksgiving. Got on the plane in shorts and an >aloha shirt. It never occurred to me that things aren't always sunny and >80 degrees everywhere in the world. Got off in Kalamazoo in a snowstorm. >Thought I was going to freeze to death getting to the car. > > > We had a couple of guys who had never been off >>island before, so it was kinda funny to watch their expressions when we >>arrived and were waiting on the ramp for transport. >>Pete >> >> >> >> > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 00:08:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA32501 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 00:08:04 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000309210702.006b7948@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 21:07:02 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Re: Models and More In-Reply-To: <000401bf8a1c$3ef00d20$7500000a@kklaptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I have bought about a dozen cars from EWA for my nephews >(tons of models for good prices) Including those Eagle 1/18th LR Series III models that BP had on special for $29.95; EWA had them for $26.00. Oh, well... Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 01:20:49 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA00615 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 01:20:49 -0500 Message-ID: <000001bf8a57$351c53e0$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: <3.0.1.32.20000309170812.00ab98b0@hgea01.hgea.org> Subject: Re: Sightings Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 19:25:54 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > BTDT. First time I went to visit my parents in Kalamazoo was after moving > to the Islands was at Thanksgiving. Got on the plane in shorts and an > aloha shirt. It never occurred to me that things aren't always sunny and > 80 degrees everywhere in the world. Got off in Kalamazoo in a snowstorm. > Thought I was going to freeze to death getting to the car. LOL, wasn't that bad. We flew by 130 so had my gortex on. Funny coming back though, everyone scrambling to get all the cold weather gear off on the ramp at Hickham with sun and 80+ degrees. Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 06:56:09 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA00866 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 06:56:09 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 03:47:42 -0800 Subject: Re: Mojave trip Message-ID: <20000310.035519.-261329.57.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,5-12 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm planning another attempt at a Saturday intercept - maybe Sunday... Tim from BP plans on attending with his Lightweight, too! Ron @ Fabricor (maker of racks/etc. for BP) is considering attending: he has this customers' truck at his disposal at the approval of the owner, who may/may not attend as well. Charles "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 06:56:06 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA00861 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 06:56:06 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 03:54:08 -0800 Subject: Re: Sightings Message-ID: <20000310.035519.-261329.60.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,5-6,8-28 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Fear not Pete: Kalifornia is a close second these days... Charles P.S. Shoulda made it over to the north end of the field...3 Spectres! (most likely going someplace they shouldn't be in - but this is speculation only...:) On Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:56:55 -1000 "Peter Hope" writes: > > Pete, > > > > didja make it over to Davis-Monthan?? > > > We only had one down day and used that to buy guns (Hawaii has some > of the > strictest laws in the nation) but we did drive around DM. Boy I > would love > to spend a day or two walking around that place. Saw a bunch of > plastic > wrapped A-10's and I think some F-15's near the freeway, plus all > the other > birds. Really cool place. > Pete > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 10:58:53 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01281 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:58:53 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CD864@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mojave trip Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:02:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ".....Tim from BP plans on attending with his Lightweight, too! > Ron @ Fabricor (maker of racks/etc. for BP) is considering attending:..." > Cool, sounds like we'll have a regular "tent city" at the trail head friday night! -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 13:27:05 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01446 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:27:05 -0500 Message-ID: <002d01bf8abc$ab763a00$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: <20000310.035519.-261329.60.cirvin1258@juno.com> Subject: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:15:51 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles R Irvin To: Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 01:54 Subject: Re: Sightings > Fear not Pete: Kalifornia is a close second these days... > > Charles Since you brought it up, a friend of mine told me that all magazine fed rifles have been outlawed in CA. Anyone have the striaght poop on this? He said there is no "grandfather clause" so I will be waistinh $$ if I build up an AR high power rig before we leave here in 18 months. Thanks Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 14:58:55 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01507 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:58:55 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:50:35 -0800 Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) Message-ID: <20000310.115736.-261329.66.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-8,12-17,19-46 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org You can bring in a M-1 Carbine, M-1A, Ruger Mini-14, or a Ruger 10/22: otherwise, forget it - no more fun. I still see SKS's for sale, but I heard the state was talking about "collecting" them(?), and Enfields/M-1 Garands are still on the market. No more magazines for ANYTHING, that hold over 10 rounds, No more shotguns that hold more than 5+1 rounds. I am not sure, but there may be an exemption for active-duty military - this is usually the case for law enforcement, since they can't shoot for s#@t anyway. (case in point: that guy in New York - shot at 41 times by police! Really...) Oh well...I got mine! Charles On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:15:51 -1000 "Peter Hope" writes: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Charles R Irvin > To: > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 01:54 > Subject: Re: Sightings > > > > Fear not Pete: Kalifornia is a close second these days... > > > > Charles > > Since you brought it up, a friend of mine told me that all magazine > fed > rifles have been outlawed in CA. Anyone have the striaght poop on > this? He > said there is no "grandfather clause" so I will be waistinh $$ if I > build up > an AR high power rig before we leave here in 18 months. > Thanks > Pete > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 15:21:55 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01542 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:21:55 -0500 From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: My work address Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:18:05 -0800 Message-ID: <000201bf8acd$be6ff400$3972a8c0@leslee.dot.co.mendocino.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi all, I just got a new computer at work and won't be getting my gpool@pacific.net messages at work anymore; I will get them (and the mendo_recce list messages) only at home (i.e., evenings and weekends, if and when I get around to looking). If you need to reach me at work, use my work e-mail address of poolg@co.mendocino.ca.us that is in any case a much faster connection (the other is dial-up). Thanks, Granville Pool Redwood Valley (home) 707-485-7220 Ukiah (work) 707-463-4265 (direct line w/voice mail) 707-463-5474 (fax) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 17:20:28 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01573 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:20:28 -0500 Message-ID: <002801bf8ade$dbfb1020$a334cbcc@johnbenh> From: "John R. Benham" To: References: <20000310.115736.-261329.66.cirvin1258@juno.com> Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:20:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I think this subject is getting a bit off-base from Rover discussion... > You can bring in a M-1 Carbine, M-1A, Ruger Mini-14, or a Ruger 10/22: > otherwise, forget it - no more fun. I still see SKS's for sale, but I > heard the state was talking about "collecting" them(?), and Enfields/M-1 > Garands are still on the market. > > No more magazines for ANYTHING, that hold over 10 rounds, > > No more shotguns that hold more than 5+1 rounds. > > I am not sure, but there may be an exemption for active-duty military - > this is usually the case for law enforcement, since they can't shoot for > s#@t anyway. (case in point: that guy in New York - shot at 41 times by > police! Really...) > > Oh well...I got mine! > > Charles > > On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:15:51 -1000 "Peter Hope" > writes: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Charles R Irvin > > To: > > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 01:54 > > Subject: Re: Sightings > > > > > > > Fear not Pete: Kalifornia is a close second these days... > > > > > > Charles > > > > Since you brought it up, a friend of mine told me that all magazine > > fed > > rifles have been outlawed in CA. Anyone have the striaght poop on > > this? He > > said there is no "grandfather clause" so I will be waistinh $$ if I > > build up > > an AR high power rig before we leave here in 18 months. > > Thanks > > Pete > > > > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, > where all the women are strong, > all the men are good-looking, > and all the children, are above average." > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 17:54:26 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01590 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:54:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200003102254.OAA27867@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:20:35 PST." <002801bf8ade$dbfb1020$a334cbcc@johnbenh> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:54:24 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <002801bf8ade$dbfb1020$a334cbcc@johnbenh>you wrote: > I think this subject is getting a bit off-base from Rover discussion... So? > > You can bring in a M-1 Carbine, M-1A, Ruger Mini-14, or a Ruger 10/22: > > otherwise, forget it - no more fun. I still see SKS's for sale, but I > > heard the state was talking about "collecting" them(?), and Enfields/M-1 > > Garands are still on the market. After 1 Jan 2000, you cannot buy any "assualt weapons" in Calfornia and their definition is fairly strict. Bascially if it has a pistol grip or thumb hold and it uses a magazine, then it is an assault rifle. As of 1 Jan all people who currently own assault rifles must register them wit the State. There is a 1 year grace period. After 1 Jan 2001, possession of an unregistered assault rifle is a felony. And people wonder why I'm abandoning this State and moving to Texas. Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 18:31:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01617 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:31:27 -0500 From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: BP Special--RR low-profile roof rack Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:28:38 -0800 Message-ID: <000001bf8ae8$5d897b00$3972a8c0@leslee.dot.co.mendocino.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Friday, March 10, 2000 Shop Prototype >Range Rover Classic Roof Rack > >This was one of the first low profile roof racks, and was used on our >shop truck. It's no longer needed, so here's your chance! It's in good >shape, having been used for display work, and includes extras like a >set of IPF lights on the rear (for work, camping, or reversing). Built >lower than the production models, it fits in most garages and parking >structures, and it does clear the sunroof. The lights alone are worth >this much! We have just this one, for only... $299! This is a great find--I'd surely buy it if I didn't already have one like it that I paid $600 for! Be aware that shipping is v. costly. Mine cost $65 for shipping but it was bubble-wrapped like a mummy. Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 19:24:57 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01647 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 19:24:57 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01bf8aee$a918fd60$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: <20000310.115736.-261329.66.cirvin1258@juno.com> Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:13:40 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > You can bring in a M-1 Carbine, M-1A, Ruger Mini-14, or a Ruger 10/22: > otherwise, forget it - no more fun Hmm, intersting. M1A is just a civi version of the M14/21 series weapons. Thanks Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 20:09:32 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01663 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:09:32 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.20000310170632.03740a00@mail.halcyon.com> X-Sender: clarkebw@mail.halcyon.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:09:22 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Clarke Williams Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) In-Reply-To: <002801bf8ade$dbfb1020$a334cbcc@johnbenh> References: <20000310.115736.-261329.66.cirvin1258@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 02:20 PM 10-03-00 -0800, you wrote: >I think this subject is getting a bit off-base from Rover discussion... > I very respectfully disagree. Land Rovers and firearms, especially small arms, have been "hand in glove" since their inception. A very large portion (majority?) of Land Rovers have been manufactured specifically for military use. Many of the people that own Land Rovers in the US, Canada, and elsewhere in the world use them for off-road forays that include small arms for one purpose or another. This is very much ON-base in my opinion. Clarke Williams From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 20:34:28 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01678 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:34:28 -0500 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: <12.23bdc5a.25fafc56@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:33:10 EST Subject: still stuck in 3rd... To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Finally felt good enough to work on the transmission a little. All the e-mails about the Mojave are depressing the heck out of me so I was hopeful it would be something simple. I got the shift selectors out and pulled the top inspection plates off the rear portion and the o/d. Nothing looks out of the unusual. I cranked 'er up and put the o/d in neutral and let the tranny spin itself a bit. Again, nothing seems out of *joint* but then again, I really don't know what to look for other than the obvious.... whatever the heck that is. So, I'm not better off than I was three weeks ago. Looks like I'll be pulling the tranny out next so I can look closer. Any advice is always welcome! Cheers, Gerry PHX AZ PS: I'll be up for a Mojave trip in about a month +/- for those who didn't make the one coming up. A guy at work just bought a J##p and is looking for something like the Mojave to do. He gave me a ride in it today. Nice J##p but expensive. 6-cylinder, a/c, removable top, etc... he paid a bit over $22k with a list of $26K. Wow....... From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 20:55:44 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01714 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:55:44 -0500 To: lro@playground.sun.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cc: british-cars@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:52:27 -0800 Subject: Diesel happy dance!!!!! Message-ID: <20000310.175229.-261329.73.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,7-8,13-14,19-20,22-23,26-33 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks, I'll DEFINATELY be attending part of the Mojave Road run next weekend: I just finished replacing the injector pump on Gillian - after finding a timing pointer at BP - and got her running again...hardly any smoke at all at idle, bump her upto 1000rpm, and NO SMOKE AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Homer says "WHOOHOOOOO!!!") The timing on the old injector pump was off by about 30 degrees, and something inside it feels a bit worn out (spins a little more freely than the replacement). I also now have it idling properly (the idle screw on the old pump was rusted solid: couldn't turn it). I can now start the thing with very little effort, it revs freely, it has power, etc., etc... I did find out one thing - I think: I used what may have been a petrol timing pointer, for setting the timing. It fit, but I had to bend the end of the pointer back a little, so that the base sat flush on the bellhousing. The result is, after setting the timing, I had to remove the pointer before putting the cover back on. My neighbors love me again! (now I can call the X-Files crew, and tell them my truck is fixed: I think they may want to use it again...) Oh - I do have a little blowby because of those two bad bores, but the smoke is hardly noticable now, compared to the smokescreen it was laying down before. Charles "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! 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From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 20:56:03 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01723 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:56:03 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:37:48 -0800 Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) Message-ID: <20000310.175229.-261329.71.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,5-6,8-9,15-21,23-60 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This should be interesting: I tried registering my Colt #6601 Sporter H-BAR with the DOJ back in 1990 (when I registered my AR-15), and they sent me this nice letter stating that my Sporter is NOT an assault rifle - thus, it will NOT be registered by the DOJ! I haven't heard anything about new registration laws - only that you can't buy certain things anymore. Anybody else here have one of those aftermarket Land Rover gun lockers that were made in Burbank back in the late 60's? I have one, and you can't really put anything larger (comfortably) than a M-1 carbine in it! The local sutplus store had - a few years ago - Dragon missle boxes, the nice plastic (pelican style, with camlocks) ones...they were selling them for $40.00, and they fit across the bed of a Land Rover! ...maybe it's time to visit that store and see if they have any left... Charles P.S. - As for being off topic...TOUGH! On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:54:24 -0800 Benjamin Allan Smith writes: > In message <002801bf8ade$dbfb1020$a334cbcc@johnbenh>you wrote: > > > I think this subject is getting a bit off-base from Rover > discussion... > > So? > > > > > You can bring in a M-1 Carbine, M-1A, Ruger Mini-14, or a Ruger > 10/22: > > > otherwise, forget it - no more fun. I still see SKS's for sale, > but I > > > heard the state was talking about "collecting" them(?), and > Enfields/M-1 > > > Garands are still on the market. > > After 1 Jan 2000, you cannot buy any "assualt weapons" in > Calfornia > and their definition is fairly strict. Bascially if it has a pistol > grip > or thumb hold and it uses a magazine, then it is an assault rifle. > As of 1 > Jan all people who currently own assault rifles must register them > wit the > State. There is a 1 year grace period. After 1 Jan 2001, > possession of an > unregistered assault rifle is a felony. > > And people wonder why I'm abandoning this State and moving > to Texas. > > Ben "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! 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From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 21:02:51 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01736 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:02:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200003110202.SAA28092@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:37:48 PST." <20000310.175229.-261329.71.cirvin1258@juno.com> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:02:49 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <20000310.175229.-261329.71.cirvin1258@juno.com>you wrote: > I tried registering my Colt #6601 Sporter H-BAR with the DOJ back in 1990 > (when I registered my AR-15), and they sent me this nice letter stating > that my Sporter is NOT an assault rifle - thus, it will NOT be registered > by the DOJ! > > I haven't heard anything about new registration laws - only that you > can't buy certain things anymore. Starting 1 January 2000 the definition of an assault rifle changed. They also now explicitly state that the intent of the law is to ban owner ship. The definition of an assault rifle is any long arm that has *one* of the following: 1. bayonet lug 2. flash suppressor 3. ability to use magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds 4. a pistol grip (thumb hole stocks are now included as a pistol grip) So basically any M-16 varient is now on the verboten list. Though some are trying to make one without a pistol grip and the Legislature is pissed and trying to ban that too. On one hand registration isn't that evil, right? It's only a few dollars and you're not going to do anything illegal, right? Except when it is the intent of the anti-gun lobby to every few years up the annual registration fees. So it's $10 this year. And in a few years it will be $20 per year. Then $50. Then $100. Then $500. And if you ever don't pay the fee, expect the police to be at your door since they know that you have it. It is a very slippery slope to start down. Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 21:05:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01746 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:05:08 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:02:46 -0800 Subject: Re: still stuck in 3rd... Message-ID: <20000310.180248.-261329.74.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,6-7,10-11,13-56 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Gerry, Look for a brass cage that resembles an hourglass holder: this is your 3rd/4th synchro hub. If you're stuck in 3rd, then the center of it should be near one end. Try prying it towards the center (while holding the clutch pedal down), and see what happens: if it pops to center, than I believe it should be out of 3rd, and back to neutral. Check to see if the rods connecting both ends of this hub appear NOT to be straight, but at an angle: if so, then it's gotta be replaced. (ie. tranny comes out, and a few $$$ later, it's fixed) These get tweaked when the rear mainshaft nut isn't tight enough...been there, done that. Charles On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:33:10 EST GElam30092@aol.com writes: > Finally felt good enough to work on the transmission a little. All > the > e-mails about the Mojave are depressing the heck out of me so I was > hopeful > it would be something simple. > > I got the shift selectors out and pulled the top inspection plates > off the > rear portion and the o/d. Nothing looks out of the unusual. I > cranked 'er > up and put the o/d in neutral and let the tranny spin itself a bit. > Again, > nothing seems out of *joint* but then again, I really don't know > what to look > for other than the obvious.... whatever the heck that is. > > So, I'm not better off than I was three weeks ago. Looks like I'll > be > pulling the tranny out next so I can look closer. > > Any advice is always welcome! > Cheers, > Gerry > PHX AZ > > PS: I'll be up for a Mojave trip in about a month +/- for those who > didn't > make the one coming up. A guy at work just bought a J##p and is > looking for > something like the Mojave to do. He gave me a ride in it today. > Nice J##p > but expensive. 6-cylinder, a/c, removable top, etc... he paid a bit > over > $22k with a list of $26K. Wow....... "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 21:16:10 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01762 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:16:10 -0500 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: <74.1e7c0dd.25fb064a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:15:38 EST Subject: Re: still stuck in 3rd... To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/10/2000 7:10:55 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cirvin1258@juno.com writes: << Try prying it towards the center (while holding the clutch pedal down), and see what happens: if it pops to center, than I believe it should be out of 3rd, and back to neutral. >> Good deal.... will try it tomorrow. I appreciate your post! Is this something that I can baby along or will the synchro hub have to be replaced.... eventually?! <> Easy come/easy go! I figure in the long run, the skills here will help with other *projects*! Cheers, Gerry From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 21:29:54 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01775 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:29:54 -0500 Message-ID: <38C9B047.36EC7B36@wenet.net> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:32:39 -0800 From: "Bruce R. Bonar" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) References: <20000310.115736.-261329.66.cirvin1258@juno.com> <002801bf8ade$dbfb1020$a334cbcc@johnbenh> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "John R. Benham" wrote: > I think this subject is getting a bit off-base from Rover discussion... Actually, as many LR owners often carry guns off road, and on, it is probably quite apropos. We all need to know what the laws are, whether we like them or not. Bruce From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 21:30:58 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01785 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:30:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200003110230.SAA28194@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Mojave (was Re: Diesel happy dance!!!!! ) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:52:27 PST." <20000310.175229.-261329.73.cirvin1258@juno.com> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:30:56 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <20000310.175229.-261329.73.cirvin1258@juno.com>you wrote: > I'll DEFINATELY be attending part of the Mojave Road run next weekend: Next weekend??? I had it written in my calandar as this weekend. Hmmm... (go look at TerriAnn's email) ...so it is the 18th and 19th!. Drat. Something must have changed when I wasn't looking. Maybe when it shifted from Gerry's trip to TerriAnns'. Well that means that I *can't* go. And here I was with a new CB all installed in the 101 and was about to start loading cargo for the trip. I have to be in Texas 8:30 am on Monday the 20th to start a new job and the 18th and 19th are budgeted to drive the BW and Dora there. So have fun without me. Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 21:37:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01796 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:37:08 -0500 Message-ID: <38C9B1F9.CEF24B55@wenet.net> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:39:53 -0800 From: "Bruce R. Bonar" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) References: <20000310.175229.-261329.71.cirvin1258@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles R Irvin wrote: > Anybody else here have one of those aftermarket Land Rover gun lockers > that were made in Burbank back in the late 60's? I have one, and you > can't really put anything larger (comfortably) than a M-1 carbine in it! I suspect these were designed for shotguns, Holland & Holland of course to fit with the lifestyle thing, which typically break down into two sections and will fit in a short case. > The local sutplus store had - a few years ago - Dragon missle boxes, the > nice plastic (pelican style, with camlocks) ones...they were selling them > for $40.00, and they fit across the bed of a Land Rover! Speaking of Pelican cases, does anyone know of a good source with reasonable prices, relatively speaking? I need one of the 50x13 ones w/ foam. Bruce From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 21:44:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01806 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:44:21 -0500 Message-ID: <005d01bf8b02$20fcd820$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: <200003110202.SAA28092@blacker.gdbg.org> Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:33:01 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Starting 1 January 2000 the definition of an assault rifle changed. > They also now explicitly state that the intent of the law is to ban owner > ship. The definition of an assault rifle is any long arm that has *one* of > the following: > 1. bayonet lug > 2. flash suppressor > 3. ability to use magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds > 4. a pistol grip (thumb hole stocks are now included as a pistol grip) > > So basically any M-16 varient is now on the verboten list. Though some are > trying to make one without a pistol grip and the Legislature is pissed and > trying to ban that too. > So basically, no grandfather clause?? From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 21:45:28 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01816 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:45:28 -0500 Message-ID: <007301bf8b02$48b23fe0$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: <200003102254.OAA27867@blacker.gdbg.org> Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:34:08 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > After 1 Jan 2000, you cannot buy any "assualt weapons" in Calfornia > Does this mean if you already own one you can keep it? Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 21:47:52 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01826 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:47:52 -0500 Message-ID: <001901bf8b04$436e5ee0$7434cbcc@johnbenh> From: "John R. Benham" To: References: <20000310.115736.-261329.66.cirvin1258@juno.com> <002801bf8ade$dbfb1020$a334cbcc@johnbenh> <38C9B047.36EC7B36@wenet.net> Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:47:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bruce and others, When I do field work in wilderness situations, I carry a 45 auto with me - mainly to frighten bears. But when I go out on Rover treks, I tend not to take any firearm thinking of families with kids around, plus we're rovering and generally not target practicing. Firearm legislation and laws are changing quickly and It's wise to know the latest, but when the discussion is about assault rifles and multiple clips, I get a little nervous - I've seen what they can do. I guess the relationship of firearms and Rover owners was greater than I thought. John Benham > "John R. Benham" wrote: > > > I think this subject is getting a bit off-base from Rover discussion... > > Actually, as many LR owners often carry guns off road, and on, it is probably > quite apropos. We all need to know what the laws are, whether we like them or > not. > > Bruce > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 22:25:30 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01842 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:25:30 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.20000310192232.00ba08f0@mail.halcyon.com> X-Sender: clarkebw@mail.halcyon.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 19:25:14 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Clarke Williams Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) In-Reply-To: <002801bf8ade$dbfb1020$a334cbcc@johnbenh> References: <20000310.115736.-261329.66.cirvin1258@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 02:20 PM 10-03-00 -0800, you wrote: >I think this subject is getting a bit off-base from Rover discussion... > By the way, John, did you notice that Land Rover has a Special Edition Range Rover called the "Holland & Holland" Model? But I surmise that the reference to H&H will pass you by if you have no interest in firearms. Of course, the others on the list that have an interest in firearms and Africa and UK firearms manufacturers will know whom the Special Edition Rangie is honoring. Clarke Williams From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 22:34:36 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01858 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:34:36 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 19:31:48 -0800 Subject: Re: Mojave (was Re: Diesel happy dance!!!!! ) Message-ID: <20000310.193303.-261429.5.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-36 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ben... Ever see "Ferris Beueller's Day Off"?... Charles On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:30:56 -0800 Benjamin Allan Smith writes: > In message <20000310.175229.-261329.73.cirvin1258@juno.com>you wrote: > > > I'll DEFINATELY be attending part of the Mojave Road run next > weekend: > > Next weekend??? I had it written in my calandar as this > weekend. > Hmmm... (go look at TerriAnn's email) ...so it is the 18th and > 19th!. Drat. > Something must have changed when I wasn't looking. Maybe when it > shifted > from Gerry's trip to TerriAnns'. Well that means that I *can't* go. > And here > I was with a new CB all installed in the 101 and was about to start > loading > cargo for the trip. > > I have to be in Texas 8:30 am on Monday the 20th to start a > new job and > the 18th and 19th are budgeted to drive the BW and Dora there. So > have fun > without me. > > Ben "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 22:40:55 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01869 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:40:55 -0500 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: <10.148a025.25fb1a1d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:40:13 EST Subject: RE stuck in 3rd..... To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com, lro@playground.sun.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks to Charles Irwin who was kind enough to let me call him to discuss my problem. One thing that I didn't mention was that I did have problems engaging and disengaging the o/d after the event as I headed home. That maybe points to a loose main shaft nut..... at least I think that's what Charles referred to it as! So, I'll pull the o/d tomorrow and take a look. And yes.... I do have the special tool too..... if I can find the darn thing! Cheers, Gerry From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 23:18:02 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01884 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:18:02 -0500 Message-ID: <001d01bf8b0f$39aa5de0$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: <20000310.115736.-261329.66.cirvin1258@juno.com> <4.1.20000310192232.00ba08f0@mail.halcyon.com> Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:06:43 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > By the way, John, did you notice that Land Rover has a Special Edition Range Rover called the "Holland & Holland" Model? > I saw something on this in a US 4x4 mag recently. All leahter and wood, 75+k sticker. Better come with a matched set of H&H's for that price :-) Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 23:48:59 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01896 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:48:59 -0500 Message-ID: <20000311044856.14210.qmail@web206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:48:56 -0800 (PST) From: David Tong Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #64 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey guys, gotta put my two cents in... I've been involved with firearms for over half my life since my days in the Boy Scouts. What irritates me no end is that this Clintonian end-run around our rights is unchecked by our own U.S. Supreme Court, who has simply refused to hear any cert cases since U.S v. Miller in 1939, and that a lot of states are now re-interpreting our rights, thus making the whole matter really expensive to challenge Constitutionally. The Land-Rover itself, as Clarke so perfectly pointed out, has an image attached to it from its days as an African hunting vehicle-if one has any doubts as to the marketing of this history, look no further than the silly spare tire covers for the new Disco II. (Minimal L-R content) So I say the same thing now to those out there who couldn't care less about our "rights": CAPABILITY is NOT the same as CULPABILITY! When Clinton signs Executive Orders designating vast tracts of BLM land as off limits to ORV's (or turns them into "National Monuments," OR he signs them off banning the further importation of >10 round magazines, what the blazes is the difference? A few miscreants who misuse their rights and we all get tarred with the same brush. AND, we don't even have any say in it. By the by, Kalifornia has BANNED even POSSESSION of an "assault weapon" on any state BLM land! So, even if you were to register it, you cannot use it out there! Hope I've drawn these parallels to be quite obvious, and I apologise for venting. --- "Mendo_Recce digest:" wrote: > > Mendo_Recce digest: Friday, March 10 2000 > Volume 02 : Number 064 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:50:35 -0800 > From: Charles R Irvin > Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: > Sightings) > > You can bring in a M-1 Carbine, M-1A, Ruger Mini-14, > or a Ruger 10/22: > otherwise, forget it - no more fun. I still see > SKS's for sale, but I > heard the state was talking about "collecting" > them(?), and Enfields/M-1 > Garands are still on the market. > > No more magazines for ANYTHING, that hold over 10 > rounds, > > No more shotguns that hold more than 5+1 rounds. > > I am not sure, but there may be an exemption for > active-duty military - > this is usually the case for law enforcement, since > they can't shoot for > s#@t anyway. (case in point: that guy in New York - > shot at 41 times by > police! Really...) > > Oh well...I got mine! > > Charles > > On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:15:51 -1000 "Peter Hope" > > writes: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Charles R Irvin > > To: > > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 01:54 > > Subject: Re: Sightings > > > > > > > Fear not Pete: Kalifornia is a close second > these days... > > > > > > Charles > > > > Since you brought it up, a friend of mine told me > that all magazine > > fed > > rifles have been outlawed in CA. Anyone have the > striaght poop on > > this? He > > said there is no "grandfather clause" so I will be > waistinh $$ if I > > build up > > an AR high power rig before we leave here in 18 > months. > > Thanks > > Pete > > > > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, > where all the women are strong, > all the men are good-looking, > and all the children, are above average." > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE > software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:18:05 -0800 > From: "Granville Pool" > Subject: My work address > > Hi all, > > I just got a new computer at work and won't be > getting my gpool@pacific.net > messages at work anymore; I will get them (and the > mendo_recce list > messages) only at home (i.e., evenings and weekends, > if and when I get > around to looking). > > If you need to reach me at work, use my work e-mail > address of > poolg@co.mendocino.ca.us that is in any case a much > faster connection (the > other is dial-up). > > Thanks, > > > Granville Pool > Redwood Valley (home) 707-485-7220 > Ukiah (work) 707-463-4265 (direct line w/voice mail) > 707-463-5474 (fax) > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:20:35 -0800 > From: "John R. Benham" > Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: > Sightings) > > I think this subject is getting a bit off-base from > Rover discussion... > > > You can bring in a M-1 Carbine, M-1A, Ruger > Mini-14, or a Ruger 10/22: > > otherwise, forget it - no more fun. I still see > SKS's for sale, but I > > heard the state was talking about "collecting" > them(?), and Enfields/M-1 > > Garands are still on the market. > > > > No more magazines for ANYTHING, that hold over 10 > rounds, > > > > No more shotguns that hold more than 5+1 rounds. > > > > I am not sure, but there may be an exemption for > active-duty military - > > this is usually the case for law enforcement, > since they can't shoot for > > s#@t anyway. (case in point: that guy in New York > - shot at 41 times by > > police! Really...) > > > > Oh well...I got mine! > > > > Charles > > > > On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:15:51 -1000 "Peter Hope" > > > writes: > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Charles R Irvin > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 01:54 > > > Subject: Re: Sightings > > > > > > > > > > Fear not Pete: Kalifornia is a close second > these days... > > > > > > > > Charles > > > > > > Since you brought it up, a friend of mine told > me that all magazine > > > fed > > > rifles have been outlawed in CA. Anyone have > the striaght poop on > > > this? He > > > said there is no "grandfather clause" so I will > be waistinh $$ if I > > > build up > > > an AR high power rig before we leave here in 18 > months. > > > Thanks > > > Pete > > > > > > > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, > > where all the women are strong, > > all the men are good-looking, > > and all the children, are above average." > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE > software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:54:24 -0800 > From: Benjamin Allan Smith > Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: > Sightings) > > In message > <002801bf8ade$dbfb1020$a334cbcc@johnbenh>you wrote: > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 00:16:35 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02412 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 00:16:35 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000310211530.006c32b8@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:15:30 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Re: Mojave (was Re: Diesel happy dance!!!!! ) In-Reply-To: <20000310.193303.-261429.5.cirvin1258@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles asked: >Ever see "Ferris Beueller's Day Off"?... Yeah, I did. What a waste of a perfectly good Ferarri! Uh, Chas, what's the connection? Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 00:19:48 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02422 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 00:19:48 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000310211847.006bec48@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:18:47 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Re: RE stuck in 3rd..... In-Reply-To: <10.148a025.25fb1a1d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Gerry wrote: >So, I'll pull the o/d tomorrow and take a look. And yes.... I do have the >special tool too..... if I can find the darn thing! Eeee! That reminds me of when I was putting a new clutch in the Snark. I have a cool plastic Land-Rover clutch alignment tool. Could I find it? No! I could not. What did I do? I found that, in some old parts boxes, I had a tranny input shaft. I hack-sawed the gear off and made meself a nice little custom clutch alignment tool. Of course, when I went to put it away, I found the old plastic one hanging on the wall in a storage room! Oh, well... Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 00:24:54 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02434 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 00:24:54 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000310212350.006bf8d0@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:23:50 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Assault Weapons In-Reply-To: <20000311044856.14210.qmail@web206.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >By the by, Kalifornia has BANNED even POSSESSION of an >"assault weapon" on any state BLM land! So, even if >you were to register it, you cannot use it out there! I'll bite: An assault weapon would be needed on BLM land, why? I've spent my share of time on BLM land and can't remember a single time I thought to myself, "Dang, I sure wish I'd brought an assault weapon!" I guess I should ask my son who just bought some sort of assault rifle, complete with bayonet. Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 00:52:54 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02560 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 00:52:54 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:41:55 -0800 Subject: Re: Mojave (was Re: Diesel happy dance!!!!! ) Message-ID: <20000310.215217.-261429.6.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-5,7-22 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Connection is - Ben's gotta get to Texas that weekend, so that he can work on Monday: I feel that he needs a well-deserved day off. Granted, a 101 is in no way a Ferrari, but still... Charles On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:15:30 -0800 Granville Pool writes: > Charles asked: > > >Ever see "Ferris Beueller's Day Off"?... > > Yeah, I did. What a waste of a perfectly good Ferarri! Uh, Chas, > what's > the connection? > > > Granny "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 01:00:44 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02570 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 01:00:44 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:57:28 -0800 Subject: Re: Assault Weapons Message-ID: <20000310.215729.-261429.9.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-6,8-9,11-29 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm gonna head over to a buddy's gun shop tomorrow, and see if he has anything in official print that says what's okay, and what isn't. If there's enough interest, I'll either answer people individually, or post a brief on the list - for those that "carry" - or have thought about it - when off-roading. Charles P.S.: I need to get a few maps from BLM next week - so I'll chat with them as well. On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:23:50 -0800 Granville Pool writes: > >By the by, Kalifornia has BANNED even POSSESSION of an > >"assault weapon" on any state BLM land! So, even if > >you were to register it, you cannot use it out there! > > I'll bite: An assault weapon would be needed on BLM land, > why? I've spent my share of time on BLM land and can't > remember a single time I thought to myself, "Dang, I sure > wish I'd brought an assault weapon!" I guess I should > ask my son who just bought some sort of assault rifle, > complete with bayonet. > > > Granny "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 01:01:48 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02582 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 01:01:48 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000310200933.00991720@hgea01.hgea.org> X-Sender: ogilvi@hgea01.hgea.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:09:33 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie Subject: Re: RE stuck in 3rd..... In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000310211847.006bec48@pacific.net> References: <10.148a025.25fb1a1d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org You can use a deep well socket that will just fit inside the clutch plate spline. I've also done it just by eye balling it. Got it right on the first try. I wouldn't buy a tool, waste of money. Aloha Peter Kona Coffee Rover >>So, I'll pull the o/d tomorrow and take a look. And yes.... I do have the >>special tool too..... if I can find the darn thing! > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 01:04:49 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02592 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 01:04:49 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000310201233.00991700@hgea01.hgea.org> X-Sender: ogilvi@hgea01.hgea.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:12:33 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie Subject: Re: Assault Weapons In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000310212350.006bf8d0@pacific.net> References: <20000311044856.14210.qmail@web206.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Got this strange feeling that the neighbors might get a little excited if you ripped off a clip in the back yard. Those city dwellers get all bent out shape when someone fires off a gun. The wide open spaces offers an opportunity to fire them outside the confines of a target range. Aloha Peter Kona Coffee Rover At 09:23 PM 3/10/00 -0800, you wrote: >>By the by, Kalifornia has BANNED even POSSESSION of an >>"assault weapon" on any state BLM land! So, even if >>you were to register it, you cannot use it out there! > >I'll bite: An assault weapon would be needed on BLM land, >why? I've spent my share of time on BLM land and can't >remember a single time I thought to myself, "Dang, I sure >wish I'd brought an assault weapon!" I guess I should >ask my son who just bought some sort of assault rifle, >complete with bayonet. > > >Granny > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 01:28:17 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02605 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 01:28:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200003110628.WAA28436@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave (was Re: Diesel happy dance!!!!! ) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:41:55 PST." <20000310.215217.-261429.6.cirvin1258@juno.com> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:28:14 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <20000310.215217.-261429.6.cirvin1258@juno.com>you wrote: > Connection is - Ben's gotta get to Texas that weekend, so that he can > work on Monday: I feel that he needs a well-deserved day off. Granted, a > 101 is in no way a Ferrari, but still... I've made the drive a number of times. It takes about 1.5 days. It's a total of 1389 miles. Some 26 hours and 30 minutes of driving (not counting eating, refueling, piss breaks and sleep) towing something that too much twitching sends into an unstable positive feedback oscillation. I need to get 4 Rovers to Texas by the end of April. Logistics dictate that I have to get the Disco (and hence Dora) out on the first trip. Would you rent a house to a guy that showed up in a beat up, ex-military, camoflage truck? And if she decides to crap out on me, it's not like I can take the 101 to Land Rover Austin and tell them to fix it. Driving 4 hours to camp with the few that show up the first night, then driving the 4 hours back hoping that the 101 doesn't break down, to get back by noon on Satuday just to drive back out to get to Texas by midnight Sunday night (or later if something goes wrong) is not anywhere near a good idea. I've pushed my endurance too many times and somehow the goddess of travel has smiled on me and I haven't ended up in a flaming pile of wreckage any of the times I nodded off behind the wheel. If the fates smile on me, I'll be having movers load up everything the last week of April and I'll take the last Rover out (101) up to Mendo for Saturday of Mendo VI and then head east and south to Texas. If the fates don't smile, then I'll punt and see what happens. Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 02:01:24 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02619 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 02:01:24 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:09:12 -0800 Message-ID: <000101bf8b28$b43220c0$ae05193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000310201233.00991700@hgea01.hgea.org> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Personally, I could care less if someone was firing off a length or 50 cal. full auto as long as it's not destroying anything or causing anyone health/safety/noise problems. Our legislation is for the lowest common denominator. I thing the whole point is that you cannot legislate in morals. As far as carrying weapons on Rover trip, I do many times in some of these desert canyons where there are unknown mine dwellers. We got stopped once at goller by a man brandishing his shotgun from Charlie Manson's old house. He was not going to let us go up the BLM road. My buds kindly laid their pistols across the hood of their Jeep and the guy put his gun down and was all friendly. Imagine... Another guy at work stopped at Red Rock canyon to help some guys with their broken down car. (His 'bug' is camo in color, just a note). He rolls down his window about 2 inches and one of the guy says, "Give us your money." But he didn't hear what they said. So when they repeated it, a guy jumps out of the bushes and fires his shotgun into the front of his bug. He pulls out his 9mm and empties it at the 3 of them while tearing out of there. He went to a call box and called the HWY patrol. He had killed one and injured another. The third was thrilled to see the police. No, I'm NOT advocating carrying loaded weapons. I'm not sure what I'm advocating, except I know there are some distorted people out there that DON'T have my best interest in mind. Sorry for the length. Later, Kelly Minnick > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org > [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org]On Behalf Of Faye and Peter > Ogilvie > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 12:13 PM > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: Re: Assault Weapons > > > Got this strange feeling that the neighbors might get a little excited if > you ripped off a clip in the back yard. Those city dwellers get all bent > out shape when someone fires off a gun. The wide open spaces offers an > opportunity to fire them outside the confines of a target range. > > Aloha > Peter > Kona Coffee Rover > > > > > At 09:23 PM 3/10/00 -0800, you wrote: > >>By the by, Kalifornia has BANNED even POSSESSION of an > >>"assault weapon" on any state BLM land! So, even if > >>you were to register it, you cannot use it out there! > > > >I'll bite: An assault weapon would be needed on BLM land, > >why? I've spent my share of time on BLM land and can't > >remember a single time I thought to myself, "Dang, I sure > >wish I'd brought an assault weapon!" I guess I should > >ask my son who just bought some sort of assault rifle, > >complete with bayonet. > > > > > >Granny > > > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 02:02:16 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02629 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 02:02:16 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:10:06 -0800 Message-ID: <000201bf8b28$d3f402c0$ae05193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <20000310.215729.-261429.9.cirvin1258@juno.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It's on the WEB. Check out SB-23... NOTHING is legal. Kelly Minnick > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org > [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org]On Behalf Of Charles R Irvin > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 9:57 PM > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: Re: Assault Weapons > > > I'm gonna head over to a buddy's gun shop tomorrow, and see if he has > anything in official print that says what's okay, and what isn't. If > there's enough interest, I'll either answer people individually, or post > a brief on the list - for those that "carry" - or have thought about it - > when off-roading. > > Charles > P.S.: I need to get a few maps from BLM next week - so I'll chat with > them as well. > > On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:23:50 -0800 Granville Pool > writes: > > >By the by, Kalifornia has BANNED even POSSESSION of an > > >"assault weapon" on any state BLM land! So, even if > > >you were to register it, you cannot use it out there! > > > > I'll bite: An assault weapon would be needed on BLM land, > > why? I've spent my share of time on BLM land and can't > > remember a single time I thought to myself, "Dang, I sure > > wish I'd brought an assault weapon!" I guess I should > > ask my son who just bought some sort of assault rifle, > > complete with bayonet. > > > > > > Granny > > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, > where all the women are strong, > all the men are good-looking, > and all the children, are above average." > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 02:04:47 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02643 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 02:04:47 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: RE stuck in 3rd..... Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:12:36 -0800 Message-ID: <000301bf8b29$2d97b420$ae05193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000310200933.00991720@hgea01.hgea.org> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org He's talking about the OD tool... Not clutch alignment. Later, Kelly Minnick > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org > [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org]On Behalf Of Faye and Peter > Ogilvie > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 12:10 PM > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: Re: RE stuck in 3rd..... > > > You can use a deep well socket that will just fit inside the clutch plate > spline. I've also done it just by eye balling it. Got it right on the > first try. I wouldn't buy a tool, waste of money. > > Aloha > Peter > Kona Coffee Rover > > > > >>So, I'll pull the o/d tomorrow and take a look. And yes.... I > do have the > >>special tool too..... if I can find the darn thing! > > > > > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 02:06:09 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02654 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 02:06:09 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:05:31 -0800 Subject: Re: Mojave (was Re: Diesel happy dance!!!!! ) Message-ID: <20000310.230532.-261429.12.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,5-6,10-11,13-14,16-17,19-28 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I see what you're doing wrong here: NEVER make a lenghty stop for anything except fuel...You can piss at rest areas, and you can eat via Mickey D's drive-thrus (or my personal favorite - Wendy's), OR - junk food from vending machines at said rest areas: turn wide, and you can tow a vehicle through just fine. Sleep? Who needs it? Leave early (or very late), follow the above, and you can do the run in 20 hours! (been there, done that) That's how I did my runs from Norfolk-Memphis, then Memphis-Las Cruces (via taking a gander at Roswell), then Las Cruces-L.A. Had it not been for my detours, I could have done the Trans-USA run in 3 days flat! Charles (breakfast in Memphis Tn., Lunch in Ft. Smith Ok., dinner in Las Cruces NM.) On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:28:14 -0800 Benjamin Allan Smith writes: > >I've made the drive a number of times. It takes about 1.5 days. It's > a total of 1389 miles. Some 26 hours and 30 minutes of driving (not > counting eating, refueling, piss breaks and sleep) "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 02:10:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02664 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 02:10:21 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:18:10 -0800 Message-ID: <000401bf8b29$f4ac0f20$ae05193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000310212350.006bf8d0@pacific.net> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Granny- I don't own one, but originally, the SKS was about $85 and you could get ammo cheap. It for sure wasn't the best gun in the world, but a lot of fun. Almost disposable for that price. I just plink and target shoot myself, but semi-autos can be fun and I don't destroy anything. Fully autos are just costly. I would rather go out to our test site and watch the 50 rd burst of the 20mm, 25mm or 30mm gattling guns where it doesn't cost me a cent (well.. not directly!). Later, Kelly Minnick > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org > [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org]On Behalf Of Granville Pool > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 9:24 PM > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: Assault Weapons > > > >By the by, Kalifornia has BANNED even POSSESSION of an > >"assault weapon" on any state BLM land! So, even if > >you were to register it, you cannot use it out there! > > I'll bite: An assault weapon would be needed on BLM land, > why? I've spent my share of time on BLM land and can't > remember a single time I thought to myself, "Dang, I sure > wish I'd brought an assault weapon!" I guess I should > ask my son who just bought some sort of assault rifle, > complete with bayonet. > > > Granny > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 02:12:12 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02678 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 02:12:12 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:20:02 -0800 Message-ID: <000501bf8b2a$373a05e0$ae05193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <007301bf8b02$48b23fe0$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Nope. Sigh up or turn it in. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org > [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org]On Behalf Of Peter Hope > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 6:34 PM > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) > > > > After 1 Jan 2000, you cannot buy any "assualt weapons" in Calfornia > > > Does this mean if you already own one you can keep it? > Pete > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 03:15:47 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02696 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 03:15:47 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mewgull@popd.ix.netcom.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <38C9B047.36EC7B36@wenet.net> References: <20000310.115736.-261329.66.cirvin1258@juno.com> <002801bf8ade$dbfb1020$a334cbcc@johnbenh> <38C9B047.36EC7B36@wenet.net> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 00:13:32 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Gerald Mugele Subject: Topics for discussion: (Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 6:32 PM -0800 3/10/00, Bruce R. Bonar wrote: >"John R. Benham" wrote: > > > I think this subject is getting a bit off-base from Rover discussion... > >Actually, as many LR owners often carry guns off road, and on, it is probably >quite apropos. We all need to know what the laws are, whether we like them or not. True. And there are forums where weapons and gun legislation are the primary topics. I believe most of us here are capable of making the connection to Land Rovers unassisted. If anyone needs help finding the *more* appropriate lists, please contact me directly, I can help. Cheers, Gerry Mugele -- ("Gooey" '72 Series III 88 and "Peat" '95 D90 SW) *** Therapy is expensive, poppin' bubble wrap is cheap! You choose. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 03:39:48 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02708 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 03:39:48 -0500 Message-ID: <006f01bf8b33$c9f60600$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: <20000310.115736.-261329.66.cirvin1258@juno.com><002801bf8ade$dbfb1020$a334cbcc@johnbenh> <38C9B047.36EC7B36@wenet.net> Subject: Off topic posts Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:28:27 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Since I started this, sorry to any that got bothered by it. Just thought that so many of the rover owners on the list were in CA they might be able to point me in the correct direction. And many thanks to all who did reply, most were offline. Found the SB-23 bill on the web. read it. Seams like I can apply for a permit before the move. Don't get it, leave the thing with my sister in Maine (where the only guns laws are those that forbid you from shooting deer from a moving vehicle lol) Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 04:27:45 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02906 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 04:27:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200003110927.BAA28636@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave (was Re: Diesel happy dance!!!!! ) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:05:31 PST." <20000310.230532.-261429.12.cirvin1258@juno.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 01:27:43 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <20000310.230532.-261429.12.cirvin1258@juno.com>you wrote: > Had it not been for my detours, I could have done the Trans-USA run in 3 > days flat! I have. In a Series III 88". It took 76 hours from northern NJ to Pasadena. I could have easily shaved 3 hours off of that time, but I got caught in an ineteresting conversation in Rifle, CO at a rest area. > I see what you're doing wrong here: > > NEVER make a lenghty stop for anything except fuel...You can piss at rest > areas, and you can eat via Mickey D's drive-thrus (or my personal > favorite - Wendy's), OR - junk food from vending machines at said rest > areas: turn wide, and you can tow a vehicle through just fine. > > Sleep? Who needs it? Leave early (or very late), follow the above, and > you can do the run in 20 hours! (been there, done that) The 26.5 hours estimate was for driving time assuming an average speed of roughly 55 mph. Anything above that if you aren't on perfect pavement while flat towing can be *very* dangerous. I've seen Dora swaying 2 feet side to side. I don't like that. Then you have to add time for refueling and food and sleep and time zone changes. I've towed Dora to Texas and back before and the estimated speeds were about right. I took notes. I have crossed the US 15 times by car in the last 9 years and have driven at least 30 1000+ mile trips. I've towed Dora from California to Boston and back. I have a system to estimate time for driving. Everything is planned from of-ramp to on ramp. Fuel stops last between 15 and 20 minutes and usually include a few minutes to hit the head. Not towing in the Disco they are requied every 300 miles on average. Towing it is every 250 miles. Food is always at fast food, but if you don't regularly get out and move around by day 3 and 4 nasty things start to happen. So 30 minutes is allocated each day for breakfast and lunch and 45 for dinner. And snacks like beef jerky, soda and that ilk are kept on board. And I get out and sit somewhere other than the car just to let my mind relax a bit. Any time span of 3 to 4 hours that doesn have a scheduled food or fuel stop will require a 15 minute piss break. I always sleep in rest areas or on on-ramps. Sometimes I budget 4 hours, but lately I've been budgeting 6. I usually drive until about 1 to 2am, anything after that if I'm driving all day I will fall asleep at the wheel. Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 06:13:34 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA02949 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 06:13:34 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.20000311030008.00c23790@mail.halcyon.com> X-Sender: clarkebw@mail.halcyon.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 03:13:30 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Clarke Williams Subject: Re: Assault Weapons In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000310212350.006bf8d0@pacific.net> References: <20000311044856.14210.qmail@web206.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Granny, By definition (real-world military definition), an "assault rifle" is a Select-Fire (e.g. you can choose either single or multiple shots with a single trigger pull) Weapon that uses *reduced power cartridges* to increase the effectiveness of the assaulting force or group. An AR-15 does NOT meet these criteria; an M-16 BARELY meets these criteria. "Assault Rifles" by definition are SELECT FIRE AND ALLOW FULL AUTOMATIC RELEASE OF ROUNDS. Auto-loading weapons that simply chamber a new round after firing a cartridge do NOT meet the criteria. One can be perhaps more P.C., but the reality is that a semi-automatic weapon is NOT an "Assault Rifle". You folks in California (and now elsewhere) are wrong. I do not mean to, necessarily, group you with the Others. But those folks that would deprive us of semi-auto weapons of ANY design are NUTS ---- in my humble opinion. At 09:23 PM 10-03-00 -0800, you wrote: >>By the by, Kalifornia has BANNED even POSSESSION of an >>"assault weapon" on any state BLM land! So, even if >>you were to register it, you cannot use it out there! > >I'll bite: An assault weapon would be needed on BLM land, >why? I've spent my share of time on BLM land and can't >remember a single time I thought to myself, "Dang, I sure >wish I'd brought an assault weapon!" I guess I should >ask my son who just bought some sort of assault rifle, >complete with bayonet. > > >Granny Clarke Williams From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 10:14:49 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03027 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:14:49 -0500 From: EUROMOG@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:14:23 EST Subject: '96 Disco For Sale To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 33 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org My '96 Disco SD 5 speed is up for sale. Willow green with tan cloth seats. No sunroofs, no dual AC, no rear jump seats. Near new tires truck is clean inside and out. No extreme off roading (I have Unimogs for that). Unlike most of the used Disco's on the market this one has been well maintained. I bought a new Dodge Ram 4x4 to tow with so the Disco has to go. Runs and drives great. If someone could cross post to other Land Rover lists I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks for you time. John Wessels Livermore, CA 925-373-3878 From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 10:28:05 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03038 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:28:05 -0500 From: EUROMOG@aol.com Message-ID: <6.32a2f18.25fbbfdd@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:27:25 EST Subject: Aluminum Car Trailer for sale To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 33 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry for the ad but I though someone here might me interested. I am selling my aluminum car carrier trailer. It weighs 900lbs and will carry 3300lbs. Double axle with surge brakes on both axles. Has tilt bed with ramps and ratchet tied downs for front tires. Full length fenders with four locked storage boxes. Bed length is 12ft and width is 67". Has center wood decking and tows great. Asking $2500 OBO. Thanks for your time. John Wessels Livermore, CA 925-373-3878 From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 10:30:02 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03048 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:30:02 -0500 From: EUROMOG@aol.com Message-ID: <19.1cbe7d8.25fbc058@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:29:28 EST Subject: Re: '96 Disco For Sale To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 33 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry forgot to put in price. $16,950 OBO. Thanks again, John Wessels From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 10:39:06 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03060 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:39:06 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 07:34:57 -0800 Subject: Re: Topics for discussion: (Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) Message-ID: <20000311.073804.-261429.16.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,8-11,13-24 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org True too. However, the question was asked in this forum, by a member of this forum. It would then be appropriate - and very kind of ALL of us - if the correct answer was supplied by this forum. Thus, I can't see how this list couldn't be more appropriate enough. If you have links to supply to Pete, then have at it, but if you're going to flame him for asking a question, then you obviously have some kind of problem that needs to be attended to. Charles On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 00:13:32 -0800 Gerald Mugele writes: > >True. And there are forums where weapons and gun legislation are the > primary topics. I believe most of us here are capable of making the > connection to Land Rovers unassisted. If anyone needs help finding > the *more* appropriate lists, please contact me directly, I can > help. "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 10:39:14 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03070 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:39:14 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 07:27:33 -0800 Subject: Re: Off topic posts Message-ID: <20000311.073804.-261429.15.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-5,7-8,14-16,19-20,22-42 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Pete, NEVER apologize for asking an intelligent question! You're trying to avoid spending 10+ years in the slammer simply for exercising your rights! If others don't want YOU to live the way that YOU want to, that's their problem, not yours! For those that don't like the topic - you know what keys to hit in order to move on in peace: it's one thing to have a law put in place that's "supposed" to thwart the bad guys, but it's another when you don't want the good guys to read it properly. So how 'bout cutting some slack here PEOPLE? What happened to freedom of speech and expression - hope it isn't dying along with the right to keep and bear arms... Charles Guns and Rovers - my favorits hobbies: Guns and Roses - one of my favorite bands (there isn't even a decent rock radio station in L.A. anymore!) On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:28:27 -1000 "Peter Hope" writes: > Since I started this, sorry to any that got bothered by it. Just > thought > that so many of the rover owners on the list were in CA they might > be able > to point me in the correct direction. > And many thanks to all who did reply, most were offline. > Found the SB-23 bill on the web. read it. Seams like I can apply > for a > permit before the move. Don't get it, leave the thing with my > sister in > Maine (where the only guns laws are those that forbid you from > shooting deer > from a moving vehicle lol) > Pete > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 10:39:15 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03076 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:39:15 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 07:36:09 -0800 Subject: Re: Assault Weapons Message-ID: <20000311.073804.-261429.17.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-6,8-53 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...I remember when the SKS dropped down to $35.00 - WITH 200 rounds of ammo thrown in by Turners'! I still didn't buy one...what was I thinking!?!?!? Charles On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:18:10 -0800 "Kelly Minnick" writes: > Granny- > I don't own one, but originally, the SKS was about $85 and you could > get > ammo cheap. It for sure wasn't the best gun in the world, but a lot > of fun. > Almost disposable for that price. I just plink and target shoot > myself, but > semi-autos can be fun and I don't destroy anything. Fully autos are > just > costly. I would rather go out to our test site and watch the 50 rd > burst of > the 20mm, 25mm or 30mm gattling guns where it doesn't cost me a cent > (well.. > not directly!). Later, > > Kelly Minnick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org]On Behalf Of Granville Pool > > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 9:24 PM > > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > Subject: Assault Weapons > > > > > > >By the by, Kalifornia has BANNED even POSSESSION of an > > >"assault weapon" on any state BLM land! So, even if > > >you were to register it, you cannot use it out there! > > > > I'll bite: An assault weapon would be needed on BLM land, > > why? I've spent my share of time on BLM land and can't > > remember a single time I thought to myself, "Dang, I sure > > wish I'd brought an assault weapon!" I guess I should > > ask my son who just bought some sort of assault rifle, > > complete with bayonet. > > > > > > Granny > > > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 10:39:15 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03077 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:39:15 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 07:19:01 -0800 Subject: Re: Mojave (was Re: Diesel happy dance!!!!! ) Message-ID: <20000311.073804.-261429.14.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-83 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rifle, Colorado! I found a IIA SWB in a storage lot there - looked like a runner! Charles On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 01:27:43 -0800 Benjamin Allan Smith writes: > In message <20000310.230532.-261429.12.cirvin1258@juno.com>you wrote: > > > Had it not been for my detours, I could have done the Trans-USA > run in 3 > > days flat! > > I have. In a Series III 88". It took 76 hours from > northern NJ to > Pasadena. I could have easily shaved 3 hours off of that time, but > I got > caught in an ineteresting conversation in Rifle, CO at a rest area. > > > I see what you're doing wrong here: > > > > NEVER make a lenghty stop for anything except fuel...You can piss > at rest > > areas, and you can eat via Mickey D's drive-thrus (or my personal > > favorite - Wendy's), OR - junk food from vending machines at said > rest > > areas: turn wide, and you can tow a vehicle through just fine. > > > > Sleep? Who needs it? Leave early (or very late), follow the above, > and > > you can do the run in 20 hours! (been there, done that) > > The 26.5 hours estimate was for driving time assuming an > average speed > of roughly 55 mph. Anything above that if you aren't on perfect > pavement > while flat towing can be *very* dangerous. I've seen Dora swaying 2 > feet > side to side. I don't like that. Then you have to add time for > refueling > and food and sleep and time zone changes. I've towed Dora to Texas > and back > before and the estimated speeds were about right. I took notes. > > I have crossed the US 15 times by car in the last 9 years > and have > driven at least 30 1000+ mile trips. I've towed Dora from > California to > Boston and back. I have a system to estimate time for driving. > Everything > is planned from of-ramp to on ramp. Fuel stops last between 15 and > 20 minutes > and usually include a few minutes to hit the head. Not towing in > the Disco > they are requied every 300 miles on average. Towing it is every 250 > miles. > Food is always at fast food, but if you don't regularly get out and > move > around by day 3 and 4 nasty things start to happen. So 30 minutes > is allocated > each day for breakfast and lunch and 45 for dinner. And snacks like > beef > jerky, soda and that ilk are kept on board. And I get out and sit > somewhere > other than the car just to let my mind relax a bit. Any time span > of > 3 to 4 hours that doesn have a scheduled food or fuel stop will > require a 15 > minute piss break. I always sleep in rest areas or on on-ramps. > Sometimes I > budget 4 hours, but lately I've been budgeting 6. I usually drive > until about > 1 to 2am, anything after that if I'm driving all day I will fall > asleep at the > wheel. > > Ben > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 11:28:32 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03107 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:28:32 -0500 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: <34.2636b65.25fbce0c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:27:56 EST Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/10/00 5:57:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, cirvin1258@juno.com writes: > Anybody else here have one of those aftermarket Land Rover gun lockers > that were made in Burbank back in the late 60's? I have one, and you > can't really put anything larger (comfortably) than a M-1 carbine in it! I have one if anybody needs one. It seems that it is meant to hold two double broken down more than anything else. Just not convenient really, though if I was driving a canvas topper, it would be the thing. When I travel with guns, I'm almost always right with the vehicle. Thus this nonPC thread turns into how can you secure stuff which is portable and valuable in your Rover (of whatever description. Funny how PC or Not PC is in the mind of the beholder. Zack Pheasant hunting IS the Range Rover lifestyle. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 11:45:28 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03119 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:45:28 -0500 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:44:55 EST Subject: Re: Mojave (was Re: Diesel happy dance!!!!! ) To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/11/00 7:41:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, cirvin1258@juno.com writes: > Rifle, Colorado! > > I found a IIA SWB in a storage lot there - looked like a runner! And there are some very beautiful camping spots nearby. I stood about 7 ft from Mama Elk there. She stalked by telling with her eyes, that if I moved she would stomp me real bad. I was polite. Zack From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 14:39:13 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03248 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:39:13 -0500 Message-ID: <013801bf8b81$a4ddbae0$cb4b0740@baggarly.com> From: "Nick C. Baggarly" To: References: <20000311.073804.-261429.17.cirvin1258@juno.com> Subject: Re: Assault Weapons Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:45:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm new to guns but in Pakistan we saw what looked to be a good deal on AK-47s for US$30. The Pakistani police let us shoot one. We were 20 miles from the Afghanistan boarder so we shot away from it. http://www.aroundtheworld1999.com/023_2a.jpg Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles R Irvin To: Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 9:36 AM Subject: Re: Assault Weapons > ...I remember when the SKS dropped down to $35.00 - WITH 200 rounds of > ammo thrown in by Turners'! > > I still didn't buy one...what was I thinking!?!?!? > > Charles > > On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:18:10 -0800 "Kelly Minnick" > writes: > > Granny- > > I don't own one, but originally, the SKS was about $85 and you could > > get > > ammo cheap. It for sure wasn't the best gun in the world, but a lot > > of fun. > > Almost disposable for that price. I just plink and target shoot > > myself, but > > semi-autos can be fun and I don't destroy anything. Fully autos are > > just > > costly. I would rather go out to our test site and watch the 50 rd > > burst of > > the 20mm, 25mm or 30mm gattling guns where it doesn't cost me a cent > > (well.. > > not directly!). Later, > > > > Kelly Minnick > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > > [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org]On Behalf Of Granville Pool > > > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 9:24 PM > > > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > > Subject: Assault Weapons > > > > > > > > > >By the by, Kalifornia has BANNED even POSSESSION of an > > > >"assault weapon" on any state BLM land! So, even if > > > >you were to register it, you cannot use it out there! > > > > > > I'll bite: An assault weapon would be needed on BLM land, > > > why? I've spent my share of time on BLM land and can't > > > remember a single time I thought to myself, "Dang, I sure > > > wish I'd brought an assault weapon!" I guess I should > > > ask my son who just bought some sort of assault rifle, > > > complete with bayonet. > > > > > > > > > Granny > > > > > > > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, > where all the women are strong, > all the men are good-looking, > and all the children, are above average." > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 15:00:02 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03263 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 15:00:02 -0500 From: LRDino@aol.com Message-ID: <46.297bfed.25fbffb5@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:59:49 EST Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #67 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 68 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In my LandRover especially on off road trips I carry a choice of Colt, Smith & Wesson, or Ruger. I look on it as another tool, rarely used. Enough Said. Happy Motoring Dino TallyHo! From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 17:15:19 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03352 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 17:15:19 -0500 To: lro@playground.sun.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:14:11 -0800 Subject: Gillian is one strange lady... Message-ID: <20000311.141412.-261429.21.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4,6-7,11-12,15-24 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks, I just finished up replacing a rear leaf spring on the 109: left side was sagging dramatically. I replaced the 1-ton spring that was there, with a NATO 1-ton spring - complete witl a military shackle (1 inch taller than standard). Here's the problem: Now, after replacing ONLY one side with a military spring/shackle (civvy-spec spring/shackle still on right side), the truck sits perfectly level! I checked all measurements, and they all jive from one side to the other! Only real difference, was the NATO springs came off a LHD truck, while my truck is RHD...parhaps my chassis is tweaked in a way that I can't see???? Looking for guesstimates... Charles "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 19:01:19 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03461 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 19:01:19 -0500 Message-ID: <38CADEF6.6160FBFD@wenet.net> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 16:04:06 -0800 From: "Bruce R. Bonar" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) References: <20000310.115736.-261329.66.cirvin1258@juno.com> <4.1.20000310192232.00ba08f0@mail.halcyon.com> <001d01bf8b0f$39aa5de0$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Last time I checked, at H&H on Bond St., $75,000 would barely buy a basic double rifle. :-( Bruce Peter Hope wrote: > > By the way, John, did you notice that Land Rover has a Special Edition > Range Rover called the "Holland & Holland" Model? > > > I saw something on this in a US 4x4 mag recently. All leahter and wood, > 75+k sticker. Better come with a matched set of H&H's for that price :-) > Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 20:49:57 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03622 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:49:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200003120149.RAA29495@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: fwd: RE: Topics for discussion Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 17:49:54 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ Majordomo didn't like the winmail.dat attachment in the email. And since I'm typing, mendo_recce's charter is fairly loose. Yes, it is for Land Rover owners and discussions on, about and organizing trips of Land Rovers. However, the charter such that the list is as if we are all around the campfire at the end of the day on the trail shooting the breeze. Off topic, but related discussions happen and are to be expected so long as they don't dominate the list, that's fine by me. So if we get sidetracked into debating firearms for a few days that's ok so long as it's only a few days and we get back to Land Rovers. -Ben ] ------- Forwarded Message From: Clayton Kirkwood To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Topics for discussion: (Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 09:42:20 -0800 So, given that "logic" I can now ask questions about religion, concrete pouring, woodworking, neo-nazi-ism etc and it is now apropos. Don't think so. Common curtesy requires that the topics be pretty much on topic. Yes, I agree that gun topics *can* be related to Rovers; I have no problem with that. But I can probably find a way to relate sewing underwear to Rovers too, if by no other reason than *most* of us probably wear underwear. The same thing that makes assault weapons dangerous makes Rover drivers and their trucks dangerous. Namely, the person handling and using either one. The land closure types have good reason to try to close roads: the yahoos that feel they have the God given right to tramp all over the place disregarding respect for the land and other people's rights to have some nature left. Same with guns. It's the fools that like to misuse and abuse the privilege/right to bare arms. I have a gun and like to shoot it. I would like to get more at some point. But with that 'right' comes responsibility. So, instead of attacking those that have a good reason for not wanting things like assault weapons, work towards limiting the dangerous contingent that abuse the privilege and I'll bet that the anti-gun or gun-limiting folk will feel much more open to having guns. I've seen too many "friends" who get drunk and start shooting at *anything*. I've seen too many start shooting because they don't "see" anyone downrange. They don't think about possibilities, they think in terms of probabilities: there is probably nobody down range because they don't see anybody. Lack of thinking is not an excuse for doing stupid things. And I am sure that nobody on this list would ever misuse their gun privileges. Clayton ------- End of Forwarded Message From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 21:37:31 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03699 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 21:37:31 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 18:36:44 -0800 Subject: Re: fwd: RE: Topics for discussion Message-ID: <20000311.183645.-261429.23.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-13,15-23,26-27,30-33,37-38,40-41,43-44,46-47,49-50,52-54,56-61 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Okay folks - for those that aren't interested - STOP reading here. For those that are, this is what I got from my buddy with the gun shop: As of 01Jan2000, an "assault weapon" (per Kalifornias' definition) is: 1. ANY semi-automatic rifle which uses a removable magazine, capable of holding 10 or more rounds AND - 2. also has a fixed pistol-grip OR 3. thumbhole stock, OR 4. retractable/folding stock, OR 5. bayonet lug. It now no longer matters who made it, what it's called, or what color it is: it's a blanket law. 2. SHOTGUNS ANY semi-automatic shotgun that contains: 1. a pistol grip/thumbhole stock, OR 2. folding stock, OR 3. removable box magazine At present, it is still unclear if pump shotguns with removable box magazines (Bernadelli's, for example) are included in this law as well. (guess the DOJ hasn't ruled on this yet) ALL weapons that fall under this classification MUST be registered/removed from Kalifornia by 31 December 2000 - THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS. Now: there are a few bits of confusion here: M-1A's that have a muzzle compensator (in place of a flash hider) are exempt from the new law, as are M-1 carbines THAT DO NOT HAVE A BAYONET LUG. However, I have seen M-1 carbines on sale at a gun show last weekend, so I'd presume the DOJ is unclear on this also. M-1 Garands are exempt from the law, as they have a fixed 8-round magazine, and the only other feature they have, is the bayo lug. Ruger Mini-14's/10-22's are also exempt, as they also do not have any other features that would place them under the new law. As for SKS rifles: I forgot to ask, however, they have fixed magazines, and so long as there's no bayonet, I would imagine there's no problem. "Failure to comply" (as Seven of Nine would put it) by the end of the year, can result in you becoming a felon. Funny: Cobray's are still legal to buy - provided it has a short barrel: long barrel classifies it to be a carbine, hence - banned. Charles P.S. He had no ruling on carrying one of the above on BLM land - but he said he would look into it for us off-roaders. 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From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 23:15:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03821 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 23:15:27 -0500 Message-ID: <38CB1AE3.8742F49F@home.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:19:47 -0800 From: Fil Figueroa Organization: Empty Wallet Foundation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) References: <20000310.115736.-261329.66.cirvin1258@juno.com> <4.1.20000310192232.00ba08f0@mail.halcyon.com> <001d01bf8b0f$39aa5de0$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> <38CADEF6.6160FBFD@wenet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "Bruce R. Boner" wrote: > > Last time I checked, at H&H on Bond St., $75,000 would barely buy a basic > double rifle. :-( > > Bruce > > Peter Hope wrote: > > > > By the way, John, did you notice that Land Rover has a Special Edition > > Range Rover called the "Holland & Holland" Model? > > > > > I saw something on this in a US 4x4 mag recently. All leahter and wood, > > 75+k sticker. Better come with a matched set of H&H's for that price :-) > > Pete hi all, the rangie does not come with a H/H, add another 50K(used one) or more might do it, if anyone is interested in getting one i mean the gun, call John Collins Manager, Gun Room Holland and Holland 50 East 57th St., New York, NY. 10022 212-752-7755 a 50% deposit is required if you buy one before they commission it, btw i saw a D110 last nigth at SFO with Florida plates, it's lifted with all the trimmings plus a big *ss snorkel, the driver mentioned that he will be here for a month or so so i invited him to one of our future outings chk this out, find the devil - http://www.webcouch.com/images/devil.jpg cheers, Fil - gunpowder smell is addicting :) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 23:21:57 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03841 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 23:21:57 -0500 Message-ID: <38CB1C6A.9D9C613E@home.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:26:18 -0800 From: Fil Figueroa Organization: Empty Wallet Foundation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: DimSum Sunday References: <20000311.183645.-261429.23.cirvin1258@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org hi all, anybody for dim sum tomorrow sunday am, meet infront of Border at Emeryville, bring your rover of course, Frank,Mehdi and I will be there so anybody who wants to join be there by 10 am, off-roading will be optional cheers, Fil From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 00:12:52 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03999 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 00:12:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200003120511.VAA11239@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 21:09:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > the rangie does not come with a H/H, add another 50K(used one) or more > might do it, if anyone is interested in getting one i mean the gun, call > I was surfing, looking for the Range Rover just last week and couldn't find anything on it, if anyone has a pointer to it, let me know. As for people trying to take our basic rights away or increase our taxes, I am totally against it... where does it stop? Someday we will wake up, and we won't be free anymore. Protect your rights, protect yourself, but be responsible with your rights and discreet with yourself. TomW not a big fan of being a "resident" of Ka > cheers, > > Fil - gunpowder smell is addicting :) > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1645.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 00:26:34 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04370 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 00:26:34 -0500 X-Sender: studios@cwnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Michael Carradine Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) Message-Id: <20000312052633.FFRG18806.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 21:26:33 -0800 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 09:09 PM 3/11/00 -0800, Tom Walsh wrote: >I was surfing, looking for the Range Rover just last >week and couldn't find anything on it, if anyone >has a pointer to it, let me know. Go to your LR dealership and ask for the latest copy of the LR Journal. >... where does it stop? Someday we will >wake up, and we won't be free anymore. That day has already passed. -Michael From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 00:38:34 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04494 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 00:38:34 -0500 Message-ID: <003101bf8be5$582bcb60$7500000a@kklaptop> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: 101 FC For Sale Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:14:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This was on the CSO list today: Kevin Kelly From: "Brian Cramer" Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:56:53 -0500 Subject: Land Rover 101 For Sale 1975 Land Rover 101 Forward Control. Left hand drive, 3.5 litre Rover V8, 12 volt electrics, original equipment PTO driven winch that recovers from either the front, or the rear. This truck is chassis #15. It comes from the world famous Dunsfold Collection, and has been featured in both the February 2000, and March 2000 issues of Land Rover World. It is one of only 948 left hand drives produced, and one only 2,660 total production. It will be the star in any Land Rover collection. It is in the U.S. now, and comes with all import documents. It is 100% mechanically sound, and comes with new Genuine canvas, new camo paint, NATO hitches front and rear, pioneer tools, and all manuals (including parts, shop, and operation). Upgraded with electronic ignition, and taller high ratio transfer gears. All services are up to date. Needs absolutely nothing! Come drive it home (it cruises easily @ 60 mph), or I can help arrange shipping anywhere in the US, or Canada. The 101s were originally used by the British Military as a gun tractor, from the Falklands to Desert Storm. How many remain? Let alone in this condition. To my knowledge there are only a handful in North America, but parts are readily available from U.S. and U.K. sources. This is the ultimate Land Rover. Show it, off road it, or turn it into an expedition vehicle. No matter which, this truck won't disappoint. Bid on it now on eBay. The auction number is #275463865, or here's the direct link: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=27546 3865 I will do my best to sell this truck now, whether, or not it reaches my reserve! Thanks for the bandwidth, Brian Cramer Mount Laurel, NJ 1994 D90 #1251 1975 101 FC (LHD chassis 15) 1960 SII SWB (future project) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 00:44:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04508 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 00:44:25 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: fwd: RE: Topics for discussion Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 21:52:20 -0800 Message-ID: <000101bf8be7$2142dec0$0805193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <20000311.183645.-261429.23.cirvin1258@juno.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This includes billy clubs, a piece of pipe, a shovel handle, my nunchaku's, etc. Like I said, READ SB-23... Kelly Minnick > Okay folks - for those that aren't interested - STOP reading here. > > For those that are, this is what I got from my buddy with the gun shop: > > As of 01Jan2000, an "assault weapon" (per Kalifornias' definition) is: > > 1. ANY semi-automatic rifle which uses a removable magazine, capable of > holding 10 or more rounds AND - > > 2. also has a fixed pistol-grip OR > 3. thumbhole stock, OR > 4. retractable/folding stock, OR > 5. bayonet lug. > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 01:01:23 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04522 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 01:01:23 -0500 From: LRDino@aol.com Message-ID: <99.247338b.25fc8c8d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 01:00:45 EST Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #68 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 68 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Too early for Dim Sum for me Fil. Have good one. Helloe Mehjidhi Dino From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 01:04:13 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04532 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 01:04:13 -0500 X-Sender: studios@cwnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Michael Carradine Subject: RE: Topics for discussion Message-Id: <20000312060411.FTVI18806.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 22:04:11 -0800 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 06:36 PM 3/11/00, Charles R Irvin wrote: >Okay folks - for those that aren't interested - STOP reading here. Ditto. >As of 01Jan2000, an "assault weapon" (per Kalifornias' definition) is: > >1. ANY semi-automatic rifle which uses a removable magazine, >capable of holding 10 or more rounds AND - > >2. also has a fixed pistol-grip OR >3. thumbhole stock, OR >4. retractable/folding stock, OR >5. bayonet lug. So for example, does this mean that an AR-15 (M-16 lookalike) with any or all of the features 2 to 5 above, but with a 9 round magazine is exempt? A 10+ round magazine by itself would be exempt? Put the two together and you need to register? At 09:52 PM 3/11/00 -0800, Kelly Minnick wrote: >This includes billy clubs, a piece of pipe, a shovel handle, >my nunchaku's, etc. Like I said, READ SB-23... Yes, but where? -Michael From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 01:13:28 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04545 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 01:13:28 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: "Mendo" Subject: Diesel Conversions Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 22:21:23 -0800 Message-ID: <000301bf8beb$303c5920$0805193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just thinking out load here.. Has anyone looked at the little BMW 524td motor for a Series engine swap? 2.4L turbo diesel, 115hp @4800, 155 lb-ft@2400. And you can get a new rebuilt one with no core charge for $2900. (I know that's not cheap, but probably a lot cheaper than a 300 TDi.). Any thoughts? Kelly Minnick From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 01:13:49 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04554 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 01:13:49 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: "Mendo" Subject: Diesel Conversions Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 22:21:44 -0800 Message-ID: <000001bf8beb$3d332280$0805193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just thinking out load here.. Has anyone looked at the little BMW 524td motor for a Series engine swap? 2.4L turbo diesel, 115hp @4800, 155 lb-ft@2400. And you can get a new rebuilt one with no core charge for $2900. (I know that's not cheap, but probably a lot cheaper than a 300 TDi.). Any thoughts? Kelly Minnick From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 01:14:51 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04564 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 01:14:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200003120612.WAA25022@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 22:10:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: DimSum Sunday X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I love dim sum but to short a notice, as My sister is coming up to show her Hummer to a friend of myne... PS: I went to hollister with her today... and took the hummer through the obstacles ( with her driving ) .. We are getting her skill sets up to par, and will be going more often, I may post when we go TomW > > hi all, > > anybody for dim sum tomorrow sunday am, meet infront of Border at > Emeryville, bring your rover of course, Frank,Mehdi and I will be there > so anybody who wants to join be there by 10 am, off-roading will be > optional > > cheers, > > Fil > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1645.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 01:19:34 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04574 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 01:19:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200003120619.WAA29967@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Topics for discussion In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 11 Mar 2000 22:04:11 PST." <20000312060411.FTVI18806.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 22:19:32 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <20000312060411.FTVI18806.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a>you wrot e: > >This includes billy clubs, a piece of pipe, a shovel handle, > >my nunchaku's, etc. Like I said, READ SB-23... > > Yes, but where? For all versions and history: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=sb_23&sess=CUR&house=B For that which was put into law: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_0001-0050/sb_23_bill_19990719_chaptered.html Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 01:28:51 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04585 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 01:28:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200003120626.WAA27216@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 22:24:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Diesel Conversions X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Just thinking out load here.. Has anyone looked at the little BMW 524td > motor for a Series engine swap? 2.4L turbo diesel, 115hp @4800, 155 > lb-ft@2400. And you can get a new rebuilt one with no core charge for $2900. > (I know that's not cheap, but probably a lot cheaper than a 300 TDi.). Any > thoughts? Hp looks about right, whats the weight and the bell housing situation. TomW > > Kelly Minnick > > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1645.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 01:54:39 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04597 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 01:54:39 -0500 Message-ID: <010801bf8bed$d488ac20$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: <003101bf8be5$582bcb60$7500000a@kklaptop> Subject: Re: 101 FC For Sale Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:40:09 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > This was on the CSO list today: > > 1975 Land Rover 101 Forward Control. > Bid on it now on eBay Appeared on the LRO also. I also see that the vehicle has been listed on the LRX page as of today. Exchange add doesn't mention anything about it being on ebay though. Sent the seller email asking what the reserve price was, never heard back from him. Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 01:55:13 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04607 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 01:55:13 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 22:53:25 -0800 Subject: Re: Topics for discussion Message-ID: <20000311.225327.-205665.0.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-5,10-11,16-17,23-24,27-30,38-39,48-49,54-55,57-60,62-76 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Negatory: the magazine is removable - thus, a larger capacity can be installed. (albeit, not legally on rifles purchassed AFTER 31December 1999) I would presume that ANY combination of features would take the rifle away, but the main target (pardon the pun) was semi-auto's with removable mags. Unless purchased BEFORE 31December1999, thou shalt not posess, borrow, find on the sidewalk, purchase, manufacture, OR steal - ANY magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds. Law enforcement/military are only exceptions (as I said before - they can't shoot for s$#t! They need the extra rounds). Bad news is, they can only identify modified magazines purchased AFTER 31 December 1998, because all 10 round magazines are dated from that point onwards - this leaves a loophole open for confiscation, because how many of us saved our receipts for magazine purchases from 20 years ago???? How about those magazines we left in our pockets when leaving base??? Thou shalt not convert rifles/shotguns purchased after 31 December 1999, into a configuration similar to that purchased on or before 31 December 1999 - this too, is a felony. (those that have M-1A's and M-1 carbines purchased before the effective date, pay attention to this: to keep your rifle from being covered under the mandatory assault weapon registration, remove flash hider/bayonet lug, and install muzzle brake) Also - thou shalt not install a magazine capable of holding more than 10 rounds into a rifle purchased AFTER 31 December 1999 - again, law enforcement/military are sole exceptions. It's old, but since I'm thinking about it: thou shalt not transport ANY weapon in Kalifornia, unless it is unloaded/locked in a container, and ammunition (if any) is seperate - also in a lockable container: this is a BIG grey area for Land Rover owners that have a 88", because there's no such thing as a lockable container in your vehicles (we're talking rifles here). Result is at least two lockable containers must be purchased. If weapon/ammo are in same place, it's called carrying a loaded/concealed weapon. (bang - you just got hit with another felony) Kelly is right - anybody that carries ANY kind of weapon while off-roading had better take a looksee at what this law sez: it covers alot more than just guns, so all of you - even gun haters - had better take notice before YOU unknowingly become a felon. I myself haven't read it yet, but from what I've been told by very reliable sources, I don't think I'll be carrying any pepper spray on me, either. (carrying a concealed/concealable weapon in some eyes) All it takes is one traffic stop for a burnt-out tail light (how many Land Rover owners are known for that?), and it's all over for 'ya. I'd guess that the National Rifle Association (yes - those so-called "terrorists" by some) should have a copy of it on their website, along with laws for all 50 states. (me thinketh it's still www.nra.org) Also, try California Rifle and Pistol Association - I know not what their website address is. (www.crpa.org?) I've got it: SuperSoaker loaded with miriatic acid??? (honestly officer: I didn't know my neighbors' kid had that stuff in there!) Charles On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 22:04:11 -0800 Michael Carradine writes: > > > So for example, does this mean that an AR-15 > (M-16 lookalike) with any or all of the features 2 to 5 > above, but with a 9 round magazine is exempt? > > A 10+ round magazine by itself would be exempt? > > Put the two together and you need to register? "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 01:56:52 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04617 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 01:56:52 -0500 Message-ID: <010e01bf8bee$22c6e280$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: <000101bf8be7$2142dec0$0805193f@minnick> Subject: Re: fwd: RE: Topics for discussion Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:42:26 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > This includes billy clubs, a piece of pipe, a shovel handle, my nunchaku's, > etc. Like I said, READ SB-23... > > Kelly Minnick > Found all the info including full text at www.regagun.org From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 01:58:47 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04627 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 01:58:47 -0500 Message-ID: <011801bf8bee$67865f40$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: <20000312060411.FTVI18806.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> Subject: Re: Topics for discussion Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:44:18 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > So for example, does this mean that an AR-15 > (M-16 lookalike) with any or all of the features 2 to 5 > above, but with a 9 round magazine is exempt? > Nope, because it is "capable" of taking a magazine that holds more rounds, but very interesting point of view From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 02:51:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04647 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 02:51:04 -0500 X-Sender: studios@cwnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Michael Carradine Subject: Re: Topics for discussion Message-Id: <20000312075102.QEH5760.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 23:51:02 -0800 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 08:44 PM 3/11/00 -1000, you wrote: >> >> So for example, does this mean that an AR-15 >> (M-16 lookalike) with any or all of the features 2 to 5 >> above, but with a 9 round magazine is exempt? >> >Nope, because it is "capable" of taking a magazine that holds >more rounds, but very interesting point of view If all new magazines are less than 10 rounds and are dated (on the magazine I assume), and these are the only magazines you have, the rifle would not be capable of taking a large capacity (non-existing) magazine. The act of procuring a large capacity magazine would then be in violation of the act. I'd say, put all existing large capacity magazines away from the immediate vicinity of the rifle. -Michael From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 05:39:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA04994 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 05:39:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200003121039.CAA03351@smtp.Stanford.EDU> X-Sender: waycool@popserver.stanford.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 02:36:33 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: waycool@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rich Lee MD) Subject: Kalifornia Gun Laws (minimal Rover content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi All, A few questions and comments: First, what is the status of weapons that were already registered in 1990? Second, I hear that any 12 guage pump shotgun (with 5+ round capacity) can hold and "deploy" more lethal lead in 5 seconds (using 00 or 000 shells) than the average full-auto Uzi with a 30 round clip (gunsmiths and gunfreaks out there, please correct me if this is incorrect). So anyone can still legally purchase weapons of equal lethality (if that is what you want). Third, in response to Granny's and Kelly Minnick's postings... >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:09:12 -0800 >From: "Kelly Minnick" >Subject: RE: Assault Weapons > >Personally, I could care less if someone was firing off a length or 50 cal. >full auto as long as it's not destroying anything or causing anyone >health/safety/noise problems. That's the problem, as others have posted. Just because you can't see or hear them, it does not mean that someone isn't out there on BLM lands rockhunting with their kids, hiking, biking, paddling or bouldering in the canyons. I would hope that anyone who is "packing" and "plinking" on these trips always shoots only where they can see where their bullets will stop. Not everyone can see and hear 400 yds away. Every time I have heard bullets whizzing by me (once, with many rounds at full-auto) , it was in a remote outdoor setting, and the "marksmen" were exercizing their 2nd ammendment rights where they thought nobody was in range. Except in one case, where they thought it was fun to "pin down" some long-haired kayakers for a while in a remote river canyon. In ALL cases, these guys were driving Jeeps. For decades, this was my most powerful impression of the kind of people enjoyed off-roading. Knowing and driving with the folks on this list (even the heavily-armed ones) has changed my impression, but I still have those nasty memories. >As far as carrying weapons on Rover trip, I do many times in some of these >desert canyons where there are unknown mine dwellers. We got stopped once at >goller by a man brandishing his shotgun from Charlie Manson's old house. He >was not going to let us go up the BLM road. My buds kindly laid their >pistols across the hood of their Jeep and the guy put his gun down and was >all friendly. Imagine... Imagine as he saw your buds getting out their pistols, he then decided that his job had just changed from intimidator to "terminator" and he pumped away with his 8 shot Mossberg (see question #2 above). > >Another guy at work stopped at Red Rock canyon to help some guys with their >broken down car. (His 'bug' is camo in color, just a note). He rolls down >his window about 2 inches and one of the guy says, "Give us your money." But >he didn't hear what they said. So when they repeated it, a guy jumps out of >the bushes and fires his shotgun into the front of his bug. He pulls out his >9mm and empties it at the 3 of them while tearing out of there. He went to a >call box and called the HWY patrol. He had killed one and injured another. >The third was thrilled to see the police. The problem with this story (and many like it) is that others may think they will have the same outcome if they have the right gun at their side and are just quick enough on the draw. I remember vividly all the gunshot trauma cases I treated during my residency at San Jose Hospital, where the patient thought they would be as lucky and prepared. I'm curious as to how the friends & family (and more often, attourney) of the injured guy responded to your co-workers action. Could just "tearing out of there" (their car was broken down) have been sufficient to save his skin? I would think twice (as I'm sure he now does) about stopping for a group of guys while driving alone in the middle of nowhere. My (unsolicited, unprofessional, but well-researched) advice for those who are Rovering alone in remote areas and come across a similar situation is to treat it with the same proceedure as a "felony stop". Before you get anywhere closer than shouting (and possibly shooting) range, do the following. 1. Before you stop, be sure there is an exit route. and lock all doors (where locks are applicable/functional). 2. Check your mirrors before you stop, in case you have suddenly picked up an "escort". If so, slow-down well before the scene, signal and wave them by (let them be "point"). If they don't go past you, go to step #7. 3. Stop well before you reach the vehicle in question. 4. Check to see if radios or cell phones are hitting anything, key up ch 9/19 on the CB and try to raise a REACT base. Also, see if you can reach 911 or the local law (you have the numbers either posted where you can see them or stored on your phone, right?) The strangers, seeing you looking like you are talking to someone may think twice. 5. Keep the engine running, tranny in gear and foot on brake. 6. Have headlights on (either on high beam, or on low beam with all your Hella 4000s set to go on the second you hit high-beam). You might want to have your flashers going as well. 7.If you are not confident that you are safe from harm at this time, say nothing and retreat to a safe place and call for help (for them and hopefully not you). 8. If you are REALLY confident that you are safe at this distance (check the area around you as well), roll down your window and shout "Stay there, I'll get some help". A PA amplifier & speaker on your CB is very helpful at times like this. This will also lower their fears that you might be a bandit (driving a rover already goes a long way here) and lower the probability that they will feel the need to do something stupid in self-defense. 9. If it looks like they are complying. You may then take some time to further examine the situation from your driver's seat. If you are far enough away, survey the scene with the binoculars you keep close by. You might also snap a photo of the scene from inside your vehicle (say "smile"). Also, write down the milege on your odometer and their license plate # if you can see it from a safe distance. If they are not complying, go to step #7. 10. If all still looks innocent, you might ask one of the more harmless-looking persons to come over and tell you more about the situation. What transpires from here on is up to your best judgement and luck. . If it suddenly no longer feels right, trust your fear and go to step #7. 11. If you follow the above steps and things suddenly do look hostile, give them a full dose of all available photons, turn around and bug-out of there as quickly (and with as much dust) as you SAFELY can. These measures are equally appropriate if you are unarmed or if you have a 454 Kazul (sp) in your lap. As much as we all want to be self-reliant and helpful and as much as we would like to see human scum vanquished, we can't control all variables. Hostile gunplay is about the most chaotic and unpredictable situation one can get into. Try to think of every possible way to avoid it before you even begin to think about how you will survive it. > >No, I'm NOT advocating carrying loaded weapons. I'm not sure what I'm >advocating, except I know there are some distorted people out there that >DON'T have my best interest in mind. Sorry for the length. Later, > >Kelly Minnick >I'll bite: An assault weapon would be needed on BLM land, >why? I've spent my share of time on BLM land and can't >remember a single time I thought to myself, "Dang, I sure >wish I'd brought an assault weapon!" I guess I should >ask my son who just bought some sort of assault rifle, >complete with bayonet. > > >Granny > I enjoy this list and the people on it, mosty for the information, and sometimes for the entertainment, particularly when folks get emotional. Gun's & Rovers and particularly guns tend to get people emotional. Feel free to speak your mind, but as TomW said, "be discreet" Some subscribers to this list may have a very negative opinion of BOTH guns and Rovers and be waiting to say in land use hearings "see those off-road types are ALL the same". For everyone's sake, please Tread Lightly, please Shoot Safely. Concerning guns (yours or mine), it looks like I will be adopting more the practice of "don't ask, don't tell". Rover On Rich From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 08:50:56 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA05056 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 08:50:56 -0500 Message-ID: <000001bf8c31$f0c52000$19910ccf@kiotee> From: "Roy H Caldwell" To: Subject: Re: Topics for discussion Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 07:45:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I can't speak for the other members of military organizations regarding marksmanship. But for myself, as an active member, I can shoot worth s###. In the two situations where I had to carry a weapon for real, Desert Storm and Bosnia, it was my tactic to be able to hit first round and run like hell. That is only because the unit I served with where both the smallest authorized units in the Army. So we didn't have a bunch of tactical strength. Nor heavy weapons. Besides using full auto just makes you stand out as a good stupid target. The trained doctirne is single acurately placed rounds. Current qualification ranges use targets from 50 to 400 meters. The hardest qualification round I have ever had to do was at night, 30 degress, wearing a gas mask. Since I wear glasses, getting a sight window with the prescription inserts in the prone position was a real treat. I did qualify. However this is just one soliders experience. Your Mileage May Vary!!!!! Roy >From the Big Sky Country. Where Men are Men and the Land Rovers are nervous. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 10:15:16 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05092 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 10:15:16 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 07:14:57 -0800 Subject: Re: Topics for discussion Message-ID: <20000312.071458.-205665.4.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-4,6-11,13-29 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, that's how lawmakers in this state work: if the weapon has the ability to accept larger capacity mags, and has any of the other features that deem it to be even more deadly than it already is - and you have existing higher capacity mags - then there is the "intent" factor. Prsonally, I never go more than 20 rounds: anything more, and it costs too much too fast. Off to play with the 109 now... Charles On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 23:51:02 -0800 Michael Carradine writes: > > If all new magazines are less than 10 rounds and are dated > (on the magazine I assume), and these are the only magazines > you have, the rifle would not be capable of taking a large > capacity (non-existing) magazine. The act of procuring a > large capacity magazine would then be in violation of the > act. I'd say, put all existing large capacity magazines > away from the immediate vicinity of the rifle. > > -Michael > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 10:40:33 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05108 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 10:40:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200003121540.HAA30286@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 101 FC For Sale In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:40:09 -1000." <010801bf8bed$d488ac20$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 07:40:31 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <010801bf8bed$d488ac20$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com>you wrote: > > This was on the CSO list today: > > > > 1975 Land Rover 101 Forward Control. > > Bid on it now on eBay > > Appeared on the LRO also. And on the 101 list, and I think the D90 list. > Sent the seller email asking what the reserve price was, never heard back > from him. It's more than $12,100. Which is pretty annoying I'd bet for the auction since he started the bidding at $5k. Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 12:26:44 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05238 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:26:44 -0500 Message-ID: <38CBD3B7.58A99258@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 09:28:23 -0800 From: "Franklin H. Yap" X-Sender: "Franklin H. Yap" <@mail.earthlink.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-FLASHNET (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Topics for discussion References: <000001bf8c31$f0c52000$19910ccf@kiotee> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Roy H Caldwell wrote: > ... So we didn't have a bunch of tactical > strength. Nor heavy weapons. Besides using full auto just makes you stand > out as a good stupid target. Another reason (adding to the divergence from the LR topic): the local West Pointer in my office, who liked 'nam so much he went back for a second stint after being wounded, told me he often wouldn't allow his men to fire full auto ... I think he said you can only carry so much ammo on patrol and you want to make sure you have enough on the way back. I remember he also said something about replacing the lead with soap to shoot at rodents in camp while you're bored but as I'm writing this I'm thinking its not quite as simple as it sounds ... Frank From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 12:34:52 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05253 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:34:52 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 09:33:12 -0800 Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (Pelican Cases) From: unimog To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <38C9B1F9.CEF24B55@wenet.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org i can get dealer pricing on all pelican cases. i have the same one you want, 50x13x6, for my 7mm mag. i think it was about $110 a year or two ago which is about half off. let me know. -luke > From: "Bruce R. Bonar" > Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:39:53 -0800 > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) > > Speaking of Pelican cases, does anyone know of a good source with reasonable > prices, relatively speaking? I need one of the 50x13 ones w/ foam. > > Bruce From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 13:36:53 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05317 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:36:53 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000312084434.00acb100@hgea01.hgea.org> X-Sender: ogilvi@hgea01.hgea.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 08:44:34 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie Subject: Re: Topics for discussion In-Reply-To: <38CBD3B7.58A99258@earthlink.net> References: <000001bf8c31$f0c52000$19910ccf@kiotee> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Standard rotation for anyone in combat arms of the military with time available for deployment. He didn't need to volunteer, Johnson made sure that you had opportunity to see Viet Nam again. As a Regular Officer, he was guaranteed to go twice. Any truth to the rumor that the military has found full auto to be less than ideal. Heard they only allow 3 shot cycling. Full auto seems to put lots of holes up and to the right, not on target. Aloha Peter Kona Coffee Rover who liked 'nam so much he went back for a >second stint after being wounded, From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 14:11:11 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05384 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 14:11:11 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01bf8c5e$b09914a0$06910ccf@kiotee> From: "Roy H Caldwell" To: Subject: Re: Topics for discussion Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:08:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The latest model M-16 A2 can only select fire single and three round bursts. It can be busted to be fullauto. What has been realized over the years is that generally speaking only three out of ten in combat actually fire their weapons. So the reality is that there will always be plenty of ammo either hanging off people or laying around. I also beleive that the three round burst was used because it was found to be as effective or more effective for acurately putting bullets on target. This is the logic. If you train a soldier to place well aimed single shots then at the three round burst all three will likely hit the target before the aim falls off. That is if the soldier aim well and then selected burst. That is the theory. You know how theory and combat work out. Roy From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 14:27:45 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05409 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 14:27:45 -0500 Message-ID: <015401bf8c56$99faf4a0$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: <000001bf8c31$f0c52000$19910ccf@kiotee> <3.0.1.32.20000312084434.00acb100@hgea01.hgea.org> Subject: Re: Topics for discussion Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 09:10:13 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Any truth to the rumor that the military has found full auto to be less > than ideal. Heard they only allow 3 shot cycling. Full auto seems to put > lots of holes up and to the right, not on target. > As well as having a tighter twist (1in7 vs 1in12) the A2 also "features" a 3rd burst mode instead of a full auto option. The Army I believe was the main proponent for this. The USMC teaches it's people how to shoot better then any other PMI I have encountered. In the Army only Infantry branch gets any fullauto training and it's usually only for a single day during training. So one of the requirements for a new weapon was one that did not allow soldiers to fire full auto. No need to train them to use the existing weapon correctly. So what's the end result? Well I can still empty a 30rd mag in a few seconds. They still don't teach auto fire weapon control. Still don't stress "one shot one kill" or "line of sight-point of impact". Most training is done with blanks (cheeper) and using MILES (over priced laser tag). Soldiers learn that to keep from getting hit they just need to hide behind a bush. Also a laser doesn't have much of a trajectory does it. Yes I am kinda passionate on this issue. Because of budget constraints we do not spend enough time on marksmanship. Instead they are working on a computerized M16 that shoots around corners. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 17:03:01 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05476 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:03:01 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34.2636b65.25fbce0c@aol.com> References: <34.2636b65.25fbce0c@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:59:55 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: john hess Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > >Zack >Pheasant hunting IS the Range Rover lifestyle. Wouldn't the real Range Rover lifestyle be to shoot pheasants that are driven to you by the local serf/peasants? Might spill the sherry if you had to walk, old chap. John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 17:34:55 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05516 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:34:55 -0500 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 16:34:52 -0600 From: esimpson@acesag.auburn.edu (Eugene H. Simpson III) Message-Id: <200003122234.QAA03839@comer70.acesag.auburn.edu> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 15:00:10 -0800 From: "Franklin H. Yap" X-Sender: "Franklin H. Yap" <@mail.earthlink.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-FLASHNET (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Topics for discussion References: <000001bf8c31$f0c52000$19910ccf@kiotee> <3.0.1.32.20000312084434.00acb100@hgea01.hgea.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Faye and Peter Ogilvie wrote: > > Standard rotation for anyone in combat arms of the military with time > available for deployment. He didn't need to volunteer, Johnson made sure > that you had opportunity to see Viet Nam again. As a Regular Officer, he > was guaranteed to go twice. Hmmm ... it was my understanding after his injuries he did not have to go back. This will certainly tarnish his image if true! Frank From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 18:38:38 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05736 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:38:38 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Topics for discussion Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 15:46:33 -0800 Message-ID: <000b01bf8c7d$3285e6a0$3305193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <38CBD3B7.58A99258@earthlink.net> Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Studies have shown that the number of shots fired/amount that hit anything has climbed to a staggering level since the auto weapon. This is talking about guns that can be carried. I'll have to dig the numbers back up, but basically, in the civil war when so much work/time was involved in a reload, they were much more careful how they shot! Kelly Minnick > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org > [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org]On Behalf Of Franklin H. Yap > Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2000 9:28 AM > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: Re: Topics for discussion > > > Roy H Caldwell wrote: > > ... So we didn't have a bunch of tactical > > strength. Nor heavy weapons. Besides using full auto just > makes you stand > > out as a good stupid target. > > Another reason (adding to the divergence from the LR topic): the local > West Pointer in my office, who liked 'nam so much he went back for a > second stint after being wounded, told me he often wouldn't allow his > men to fire full auto ... I think he said you can only carry so much > ammo on patrol and you want to make sure you have enough on the way > back. > > I remember he also said something about replacing the lead with soap to > shoot at rodents in camp while you're bored but as I'm writing this I'm > thinking its not quite as simple as it sounds ... > > Frank > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 19:01:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05775 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 19:01:08 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Kalifornia Gun Laws (minimal Rover content) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 16:09:03 -0800 Message-ID: <000d01bf8c80$5764f580$3305193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200003121039.CAA03351@smtp.Stanford.EDU> Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rich said... > Third, in response to Granny's and Kelly Minnick's postings... > > > > >Personally, I could care less if someone was firing off a length > or 50 cal. > >full auto as long as it's not destroying anything or causing anyone > >health/safety/noise problems. > > That's the problem, as others have posted. Just because you can't > see or hear them, it does not mean that someone isn't out there on BLM > lands rockhunting with their kids, hiking, biking, paddling or bouldering > in the canyons. I would hope that anyone who is "packing" and Point well taken, but I only shoot in areas that are wide open with banks for shooting against. These are know shooting areas and I can see people coming for miles. I DO agreee with you. > My buds kindly laid their > >pistols across the hood of their Jeep and the guy put his gun > down and was > >all friendly. Imagine... > > Imagine as he saw your buds getting out their pistols, he then > decided that his job had just changed from intimidator to > "terminator" and > he pumped away with his 8 shot Mossberg (see question #2 above). > That's why I said my BUD's did this. If I can't talk someone into letting me use a road (even if it is a BLM one), I move on. Like my dad always said, never pull a weapon unless you are willing to use it. That's where my religious conviction comes in (another thread?) > > > > He went to a > >call box and called the HWY patrol. He had killed one and > injured another. > >The third was thrilled to see the police. > > The problem with this story (and many like it) is that others may > think they will have the same outcome if they have the right gun at their > side and are just quick enough on the draw. Their car was NOT really broken down. The outcome could have been they shot him first and just took his money. I personally do not like to be in the path of high velocity lead. Funny thing about me, I guess. I would have been shot or they would have got my whole $3 that I normally have in my wallet (if that much). This heads back to my religious convictions... Later, Kelly Minnick From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 19:11:34 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05787 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 19:11:34 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Topics for discussion Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 16:19:31 -0800 Message-ID: <000f01bf8c81$cd5c20a0$3305193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000e01bf8c5e$b09914a0$06910ccf@kiotee> Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org We have videos of guys holding their M-16 above their heads (in foxholes) and firing them with 2 hands (or should I say spraying their rounds). Funny some of the stuff we work on. Another interesting one was where the delay charges were being left out of the grenades... Later, Kelly Minnick > > > The latest model M-16 A2 can only select fire single and three > round bursts. > It can be busted to be fullauto. What has been realized over the years is > that generally speaking only three out of ten in combat actually > fire their > weapons. So the reality is that there will always be plenty of > ammo either > hanging off people or laying around. I also beleive that the three round > burst was used because it was found to be as effective or more > effective for > acurately putting bullets on target. This is the logic. If you train a > soldier to place well aimed single shots then at the three round burst all > three will likely hit the target before the aim falls off. That is if the > soldier aim well and then selected burst. > > That is the theory. You know how theory and combat work out. > > Roy > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 19:15:02 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05801 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 19:15:02 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Diesel Conversions Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 16:22:59 -0800 Message-ID: <001101bf8c82$4934d6e0$3305193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200003120626.WAA27216@proxy4.ba.best.com> Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org That's an unknown, but I do know that they are very smooth and fairly quiet. Brain? Kevin? Kelly Minnick > > Just thinking out load here.. Has anyone looked at the little BMW 524td > > motor for a Series engine swap? 2.4L turbo diesel, 115hp @4800, 155 > > lb-ft@2400. And you can get a new rebuilt one with no core > charge for $2900. > > (I know that's not cheap, but probably a lot cheaper than a 300 > TDi.). Any > > thoughts? > > Hp looks about right, whats the weight and the bell housing > situation. > > TomW From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 19:46:05 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05824 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 19:46:05 -0500 Message-ID: <20000313004551.22636.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 16:45:51 -0800 (PST) From: joe mulqueen Subject: minmania "swapmeet" results To: mendo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, I got a pretty good deal: Two complete Hella H4 headlamp assys for $30. There was guy with a nice light green (the remaining paint) SIIA 88 selling a bunch of brit car books. I didn't get his name though.... JoeMulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 20:51:09 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05885 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 20:51:09 -0500 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:51:02 -0800 (PST) From: Alexander George Cooper Message-Id: <200003130151.RAA01172@epic11.Stanford.EDU> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Pictures Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have added some more pictures to my web page at 63.195.181.180/Alex/lr/index.html There are some pictures from both trail clearing trips as well as the Los Padres National Forest recce, in addition to the Pismo pictures from the FHL trip that were posted previously. Alexander From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 22:14:03 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06014 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:14:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200003130312.TAA05757@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 19:10:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Topics for discussion X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Yes I am kinda passionate on this issue. Because of budget constraints we > do not spend enough time on marksmanship. Instead they are working on a > computerized M16 that shoots around corners. Well if its running windows, that gives new meaning to the blud screen of death if it crashes! TomW, bursts of 3 *are* superior! > > > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1645.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 23:12:12 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06183 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:12:12 -0500 Message-ID: <001501bf8ca0$b5cc8a00$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: Cc: Subject: Koenig winch help needed Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:00:42 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Aloha, a couple months back I posted that I was in need of the adapter that bolts to the engine crank pulley for the koenig winch. This is the 8000lb king that is driven by a short shaft connected to the vehicles engine crank. I had tons of responses but never did receive a single drawing or picture of the item that I could use to have one fabricated up. So anyone out there have a spare adapter? Someone mentioned that they might be able to get one made up. I have the body back on my custom frame. Just have to finish the wiring and some other smaller items and she will be running (spring break maybe). I would hate to have to buy a complete winch, make a copy of the adapter and then sell the winch ;-) Much mahalo, Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 23:24:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06214 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:24:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200003130422.UAA23215@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 20:20:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Topics for discussion X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > From: "Tom Walsh" > > Yes I am kinda passionate on this issue. Because of budget constraints we > > do not spend enough time on marksmanship. Instead they are working on a > > computerized M16 that shoots around corners. > > Well if its running windows, that gives new meaning to the blud err.. "blue" screen of death ( damn laptop keyboard! ) > screen of death if it crashes! > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1645.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 00:12:15 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06381 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:12:15 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000312211058.006bb5d0@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:10:58 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Re: Pictures In-Reply-To: <200003130151.RAA01172@epic11.Stanford.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Alexander, Thanks! Some great photos of the trail clearing trips. I especially like the one on the first trip of Rob's 88 x-axled. In the Los Padres photo of all assembled on a bluff, with the ocean as backdrop, I spy a D130 crewcab. I'm sure it was mentioned on the list but I've forgotten. Whose is it? Thanks again, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 01:53:09 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06915 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 01:53:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200003130653.WAA30742@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: fwd: Re: Kalifornia Gun Laws (minimal Rover content) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:53:06 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ------- Forwarded Message From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Re: Kalifornia Gun Laws (minimal Rover content) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 16:39:07 -0800 I don't want to turn this in to a "guns & rovers" list but I appreciate updates on changes to CA gun laws (a P.S. take a look at this link is fine). I don't want to end up in jail because a ranger searching my Range Rover finds an illegal 13 round clip in the Browning 9mm I got for my 12th birthday (my Mom didn't know my Dad gave it to me). I stocked up on "pre ban" Browning and Berretta clips a few years ago, and it wouldn't surprise me if posesing them becomes a felony some day. Living in San Francisco I rarely talk about guns since most people in the city think the only people that own guns are psychos that shoot up (or are planning to shoot up) High Schools and Day Care Centers. This list (and list related trips) are one of the few places I'll have the chance to hear about gun law changes. Dianne Feinstein and her husband Richard Blum live two blocks away from me (when they are not out of town passing legislation to keep citizens off public land or setting up shell companies to rip off the U.S. government). I bet I wouldn't be able to get within 50 feet of their front door before an armed body guard approached me. It always seems hypocritical to me when people who are surrounded by guns every day want to ban them. I agree with Rich on the "don't ask don't tell" aspect of gun ownership. Debating gun laws (or even the second amendment) is worse than getting in to a Bud vs. Miller, Ford vs. Chevy, or Mac vs. PC debate. Rich wrote: >I hear that any 12 gauge pump shotgun (with 5+ >round capacity) can hold and "deploy" more lethal >lead in 5 seconds (using 00 or 000 shells) than >the average full-auto Uzi with a 30 round clip (gunsmiths >and gunfreaks out there, please correct me if this is >incorrect). The key word is "lethal", a pump shotgun with 5 rounds of OO Buck will deploy more lead projectiles than a full auto Uzi with a 30 round clip, but it will not deploy more "lethal" lead. I have never gone duck hunting, but I know a lot of duck hunters, and it seems like every hunter knows a few people who have been hit with buckshot, very few had major injuries. Getting hit with a little buckshot will probably not kill anyone, while a half dozen 9mm rounds from an Uzi will do some real damage. When I was in college we would go out to the desert to go shooting and everyone's favorite gun was the full auto Ruger 10/22 rifle with the 200 round clip, it was just as fun as the full auto Uzi, but cost a lot less. With two 50 round clips taped together the Uzi could blow through $10 worth (at the b*lk mail order price) of ammo in 10 seconds. The winner of the "lethal lead" prize would have to be the Mac 11 that could pump out an incredible amount of 45 caliber slugs in a few seconds. Kevin Kelly ------- End of Forwarded Message From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 02:40:14 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06960 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 02:40:14 -0500 Message-ID: <003b01bf8cbd$bea2a160$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: Cc: Subject: a 130 Dormie Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:28:33 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ALoha, created a Photoshop version of my dream machine, can be seen at: http://www.geocities.com/aloharovers/whatif.htm Along with an 80" and a 100" defender hybrids. Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 02:54:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06971 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 02:54:00 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:29:39 -0800 Subject: Re: fwd: Re: Kalifornia Gun Laws (minimal Rover content) Message-ID: <20000312.235233.-205665.5.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-5,7-28 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org That very same bodyguard has been busted at San Francisco Intl. Airport TWICE, for trying to carry a firearm through the terminal! Not only that, but he doesn't even have a concealed carry permit! Charles On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:53:06 -0800 Benjamin Allan Smith writes: > > ------- Forwarded Message > > From: "Kevin Kelly" > To: "Mendo List" > Subject: Re: Kalifornia Gun Laws (minimal Rover content) > Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 16:39:07 -0800 > > Dianne Feinstein and her husband Richard Blum live two > blocks away from me (when they are not out of town passing > legislation to keep citizens off public land or setting up > shell companies to rip off the U.S. government). I bet I > wouldn't be able to get within 50 feet of their front door > before an armed body guard approached me. It always seems > hypocritical to me when people who are surrounded by guns > every day want to ban them. "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 02:54:12 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06980 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 02:54:12 -0500 To: lro@playground.sun.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:52:31 -0800 Subject: Test results... Message-ID: <20000312.235233.-205665.8.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4,7-10,18-19,23-24,27-34 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks, Took Gillian for a shakedown run out to Barstow today - with Ben Smith chasing me with his 101! Both trucks performed near flawlessly: Gillians' brake light switch decided to leave the brake lights on at all times, while the trigger conection on my starter solenoid played games with me. Ben's 101 may have a temp problem, but he's not sure yet. Gillian ran great, though uphill she was a bit slower than usual, possibly because Ben was keeping the 101 at 60mph - and I was doing same not to lose sight of him, so I didn't have my normal momentum before hitting hills...I'll know for sure when I head out to Mojave Rd. next weekend.She's also noticably louder than before, probably because now the ignition timing is correct. It seems, the more fuel she gets, the louder the engine knocking. Mileage seems to be the same as before...better be, since I now have 280 miles on my new rings! Only real problem, was pulling up in front of my house, to find that I had mistakenly left my fuel tank crossfeed pump ON, nearly the entire drive home! I lost about 1/4 - 1/2 a tank due to overflowing! (I thought the rear window looked extra dirty...) I now have only 1 full tank... I'll probably also remove the rear diff, and double check the backlash: either it made noises, or a U-joint did. There seems to be a bit too much play in it, though. Charles "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 03:26:07 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06998 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 03:26:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200003130825.AAA00773@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:23:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: fwd: Re: Kalifornia Gun Laws (minimal Rover content) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org soapbox to follow: > Dianne Feinstein and her husband Richard Blum live two > blocks away from me My favorite hypocrit... I've heard she actually has a CCW... ( milk incedent ) its virtually impossible for a "nomal" citizen to get one in Ca. yet she bans guns for the peoiple who employ her ( you and me ). Let them eat cake eh... When I say "normal" citizen, I mean one who doesn't pass a dessert protection act and then at the same time trade favors/land/tax breaks to allow their husband to open a very large mineral mine miles from the land closed in the desert protection act!!! Disgusting! ( is this boxster? oh well there "almost" both eqauls in my book, its late and the web show nothing so sorry if I err ) Since this is a public forum and may or may not be recorded or saved for future reference.... The all statemnets are never to interpreted as anything other than the excersising of free speech, and must include this statement as part of the discussion. ( less the take that constitutional right away... ) PS: another statement, without viewpoint, just a statement of fact. the subject line topic ( gun ownership ) was referred to as a "privelege".. it is in fact an unailiable right, and one of the basic points of our original constitution... for instance a drivers license is a privlidge ( which I might add, an auto is a much more dangerous and carelessly used weapon, resulting in a much higher carnage rate, both in total raw numbers and possibly as a percentage of incedents per owned unit ) see below: These people are worse than any comunist threat we thought ever existed. Some day they will be sorry as a result of their wanting to "contol other people" ( whether via their beliefs, morally/socially/religiously etc ) they continaully reduce our freedoms... someday one of their beloved rights and beliefs will be letiguously legislated away, by slimy politicians with alterior motives.... its a slippery slope, that once started is hard to stop as history has proven. To single out weapons laws as an example: from: http://www.logicsouth.com/~lcoble/2ndamend/hci.txt Handgun Control Inc. Private Agenda 1/6 Well, here it is, and I wasn't allowed to have the cover page. This is an internal agenda for HCI, and was never meant to be seen by the public. (the originals are marked confidential) P.S. Fienstien is now asking for all edged weapons to be banned, unless they have a gardening or kitchen utility purpose! Not to mention a ban of over 130 named firearms. She stated this in a conference thursday or friday. ______________________________________________________________________ __ ...and remember to praise President Clinton and Attorney General Janet Reno for their political courage for standing up to the old boy network of the Gun Lobby. Special praise to Senator Diane Fienstien was mentioned for her courage in standing up to the ever diminishing number of gun crazy extremists who are actually pushing to make our society a killing field. WHAT IS PENDING NOW AND CAN BE LAW IN 1994 * Ban of all clips holding over 6 bullets. * Ban on all semiautos which can fire more than 6 bullets without reloading. * Ban of possession of parts to convert arms into military configuration. * Ban on all pump shotguns capable of being converted to more than 5 shots without reloading. * Banning of all machine guns, destructive devices, short shotguns/ rifles, assault weapons, Saturday Night Specials and Non-Sporting Ammunition. * Arsenal Licensing (for possession of multiple guns and large amounts of ammunition). * Elimination of the Department of Civil Marksmanship, long considered a sacred cow and a dinosaur from the Cold War years (Thank you Mr. Clinton!!!). * Ban on possession of a firearm within a home located within 1000 feet of a schoolyard. * Ban on all realistic replicas/toy guns or non-firearms capable of being rendered realistic. * The right of victims of gun violence to sue manufacturers and dealers to be affirmed and perhaps, aided with money from government programs. * Taxes on ammo, Dealers licenses & guns to offset the medical costs to society. and... * the eventual ban of all semi-automatics (regardless of when made or caliber). WHAT WAS ONLY A DREAM TEN YEARS AGO CAN BE REALITY AS EARLY AS THIS YEAR!!! *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1645.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 03:32:03 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA07012 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 03:32:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200003130830.AAA10715@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:28:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Test results... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > weekend.She's also noticably louder than before, probably because now the > ignition timing is correct. It seems, the more fuel she gets, the louder > the engine knocking. More fuel = more cackling/noise in a diesel TomW *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1645.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 03:56:09 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA07025 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 03:56:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200003130854.AAA20086@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:52:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: fwd: Re: Kalifornia Gun Laws (minimal Rover content) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > PS: another statement, without viewpoint, just a statement of fact. > the subject line topic ( gun ownership ) was referred to as a > "privelege".. it is in fact an unailiable right, and one of the basic > points of our original constitution... > for instance a drivers license is a privlidge ( which I might add, an auto is a much more > dangerous and carelessly used weapon, resulting in a much higher > carnage rate, both in total raw numbers and possibly as a percentage > of incedents per owned unit ) Also, this sort of stuff *will* drive me out of California.... and you can kiss my multi years in a row s*x/s*v*n figure personal state tax bill to pay for this shit goodbye ( as well as any corporate revenues I directly/indirectly generate ) ! I'm fed up!, maybe I need to start a lobby ( which as a concept I also find disgusting/discriminatory ( you need money, which isn't fair to all ) ) Sorry to rant! but its outrageous and we are being done a great dis-service, to bad I'm to damn busy ( currently ) to politically do anything about these issues. As my liscense plate used to read in another state: Live Free or Die! TomW *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1645.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 09:37:31 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07439 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:37:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200003131441.GAA17115@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws Date: Mon, 13 Mar 00 06:42:38 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org OK so far I gather a Ruger mini 14 is not considered an assult weapon. TRUE/FALSE?? Now is owning 40 cartridge clips an felony? TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 11:01:58 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07557 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:01:58 -0500 Message-ID: <16D03631929FD311BC5D009027D0CBB2175686@vegmail.ucdavis.edu> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Pictures Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 08:05:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The nice thing about that picture even though I am cross x-axled, I just kept driving. I had locked the rear locker before entering the turn becuase I saw Jeff get x-axled. -Rob -----Original Message----- From: Granville Pool [mailto:gpool@pacific.net] Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2000 9:11 PM To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Pictures Alexander, Thanks! Some great photos of the trail clearing trips. I especially like the one on the first trip of Rob's 88 x-axled. In the Los Padres photo of all assembled on a bluff, with the ocean as backdrop, I spy a D130 crewcab. I'm sure it was mentioned on the list but I've forgotten. Whose is it? Thanks again, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 11:05:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07571 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:05:27 -0500 Message-ID: <16D03631929FD311BC5D009027D0CBB2175687@vegmail.ucdavis.edu> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "Mendo_Recce (E-mail)" Subject: Wiring Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 08:09:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anyone have any good things/bad things to say about Painless wiring. I am considering their harness designed for old Landcruisers/Broncos, to rewire regent as opposed to Lucas OEM. One thing is I am looking at is upgraded electronics in the lights, battery setup, alternator(alreadydone) and switching over to all mechanical guages, and I have to replace the stock Fuse panel, because it is part of my problems. -Rob From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 11:49:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07622 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:49:25 -0500 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: <37.273c329.25fe75f3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:48:51 EST Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/12/00 2:09:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us writes: > Wouldn't the real Range Rover lifestyle be to shoot pheasants that > are driven to you by the local serf/peasants? Why yes, the Ghillies should have some help I suppose, but whether they might be serfs, peasants or just local louts I would have to ask the advice of the Gamekeeper. Keeping the knowledge of who is working for one could clutter up the mind. The end result could be catastrophic, as losing ones glass of claret for example. Zack cleaning shotguns today, the season is over last Sunday From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 12:00:59 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07664 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:00:59 -0500 From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Kodak GPS Digital Camera Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 08:58:25 -0800 Message-ID: <000401bf8d0d$59538400$3972a8c0@leslee.dot.co.mendocino.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm on a mailing list for the local (Mendocino County) GIS users group. I get announcements for the group's meetings, even though I can't attend them. The announcement for the next meeting included this: > I am going to be giving a demonstration of the Kodak Digital Field Imaging > System 265, which combines a GPS unit with a digital camera. The unit > enables you to record the latitude/longitude coordinates of your digital > photograph, and then easily bring the photo into ArcView GIS. The result > is a GIS layer of points, with a "hotlink" to the digital photo. This > could be valuable for doing a photo record of some changing feature > (erosion points, rare plants, others...) that you wanted to track over > time, and know its position. > > I'll be talking about the good points of the system (good integration with > ArcView, ease of use) and its limitations (error in the GPS data locations) [balance of message deleted] Sounds like something that would be pretty cool for photos of mendo outings, eh? I have no idea what it costs or of its other features. Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 12:16:14 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07762 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:16:14 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:11:08 -0800 Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws Message-ID: <20000313.091248.-205665.16.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-6,10-11,19-22,24-44 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A Mini 14 is not, provided it is in standard form. (no bayonet lug, no flash hider, no folding stock, no pistol grip) It will be classified an assault weapon if it has any of these features. (some Mini-14's DO have some of these features: it was common to "dress them up" after the 1989 ban, because the Mini-14 was not on the original banned weapon list) Hence the confusion over M-1 carbines. I presume you mean magazines that hold 40 rounds (as opposed to having 40 magazines which, give 'em time and they'll outlaw this too!): ANY magazine that holds MORE THAN 10 rounds, is now banned. If you own one before the law went into effect, you're okay. I re-read the new law, and apparently you CAN let a friend borrow a high capacity magazine so long as that person is qualified (permitted) to own an assault weapon, and that you are in the same vicinity as that person so that you can recover it once that person is finished using it. It also appears that "assault weapons" are now transferable between parties that are allowed to own them? (I always wanted a SPAS-12!) Maybe that explains why my friends' shop had a flat-top AR on the wall - and was showing it to somebody... Charles On Mon, 13 Mar 00 06:42:38 -0800 TeriAnn Wakeman writes: > OK so far I gather a Ruger mini 14 is not considered an assult > weapon. > TRUE/FALSE?? > > Now is owning 40 cartridge clips an felony? > > > > > TeriAnn > http://www.overlander.net > > The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners > with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 12:17:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07772 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:17:27 -0500 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: <50.2a8599a.25fe7c7b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:16:43 EST Subject: Re: Kalifornia Gun Laws (minimal Rover content) To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/12/00 10:54:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, bens@gdbg.org writes: > every hunter knows a few > people who have been hit with buckshot, very few had major > injuries. Getting hit with a little buckshot will probably > not kill anyone, Let's read birdshot here, as buckshot is about the size of the 9mm or .38 caliber loading. Birdshot is a lot smaller, and as the larger items above, the damage done while hitting is proportional to speed and mass. Zack gun and reloading cabinets well stocked tiring thread though From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 12:22:38 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07783 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:22:38 -0500 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: <1c.16eb419.25fe7db9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:22:01 EST Subject: Re: Kalifornia Gun Laws (minimal Rover content) To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/12/00 11:55:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, cirvin1258@juno.com writes: > Not only that, > but he doesn't even have a concealed carry permit! Neither did her husband the first time he got caught. I believe they both have permits now (His and hers spousal permits). It is almost impossible to get a carry permit in Sacramento. There are about 13 in the city. Willie Browns assistant, was able to get a permit in Sacramento when Willie was here. The reason cited was that he occasionally had to walk to his car in my neighborhood. I can't get one, and I live here. This is a lot more disturbing than assault rifles, and do you hear me complain? Zack From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 12:45:19 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07812 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:45:19 -0500 From: "Nick Eckert" To: Subject: Grommits' New Engine Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:40:39 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Everyone, Grommit got his new engine this weekend. Lots of power and about 20mpg. I never had it so good I want to thank Pat Young for doing an outstanding, high quality job. We pulled my old engine on Saturday and cleaned/repainted all the ancillaries and remounted them on my new engine. The new engine was dropped in Sunday afternoon and we had it running before sunset. It was a lot of work for one weekend, but since it is my daily driver it was important for me to get Grommit back on the road. I also want to thank all the other people who helped out: Tim from BP for lending a hand over the weekend Andrew in Vancouver, BC for selling me a great rebuilt engine core Gord'n Perrot for doing a great job on the internal components of the engine and always being there to answer my annoying questions It was a great feeling driving home last night after such a rewarding weekend :-) Thanks, Nick 1972 SIII 'Grommit' NOW with lots of POWER From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 12:49:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07822 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:49:27 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:53:38 -0800 Subject: Re: Pictures From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Great photos! Did Walt get a few of these for his article? -->Jeff > I have added some more pictures to my web page at > > 63.195.181.180/Alex/lr/index.html > > There are some pictures from both trail clearing trips as well as the Los > Padres National Forest recce, in addition to the Pismo pictures from the FHL > trip that were posted previously. > > Alexander From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 12:50:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07836 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:50:04 -0500 Message-ID: <38CD2A05.C6F85B0F@best.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:48:53 -0800 From: Dave Pearce X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: fwd: Re: Kalifornia Gun Laws (minimal Rover content) References: <200003130653.WAA30742@blacker.gdbg.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ben, As a hunter since the age of 10, owner of several hunting guns _and_ someone who has lost family to civilian gun activity UNSUBSCRIBE Thanks, Dave Benjamin Allan Smith wrote: > > ------- Forwarded Message > > From: "Kevin Kelly" > To: "Mendo List" > Subject: Re: Kalifornia Gun Laws (minimal Rover content) > Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 16:39:07 -0800 > > I don't want to turn this in to a "guns & rovers" list but I > appreciate updates on changes to CA gun laws (a P.S. take a > look at this link is fine). I don't want to end up in jail > because a ranger searching my Range Rover finds an illegal > 13 round clip in the Browning 9mm I got for my 12th birthday > (my Mom didn't know my Dad gave it to me). I stocked up on > "pre ban" Browning and Berretta clips a few years ago, and > it wouldn't surprise me if posesing them becomes a felony > some day. > > Living in San Francisco I rarely talk about guns since most > people in the city think the only people that own guns are > psychos that shoot up (or are planning to shoot up) High > Schools and Day Care Centers. This list (and list related > trips) are one of the few places I'll have the chance to > hear about gun law changes. > > Dianne Feinstein and her husband Richard Blum live two > blocks away from me (when they are not out of town passing > legislation to keep citizens off public land or setting up > shell companies to rip off the U.S. government). I bet I > wouldn't be able to get within 50 feet of their front door > before an armed body guard approached me. It always seems > hypocritical to me when people who are surrounded by guns > every day want to ban them. > > I agree with Rich on the "don't ask don't tell" aspect of > gun ownership. Debating gun laws (or even the second > amendment) is worse than getting in to a Bud vs. Miller, > Ford vs. Chevy, or Mac vs. PC debate. > > Rich wrote: > > >I hear that any 12 gauge pump shotgun (with 5+ > >round capacity) can hold and "deploy" more lethal > >lead in 5 seconds (using 00 or 000 shells) than > >the average full-auto Uzi with a 30 round clip (gunsmiths > >and gunfreaks out there, please correct me if this is > >incorrect). > > The key word is "lethal", a pump shotgun with 5 rounds of OO > Buck will deploy more lead projectiles than a full auto Uzi > with a 30 round clip, but it will not deploy more "lethal" > lead. I have never gone duck hunting, but I know a lot of > duck hunters, and it seems like every hunter knows a few > people who have been hit with buckshot, very few had major > injuries. Getting hit with a little buckshot will probably > not kill anyone, while a half dozen 9mm rounds from an Uzi > will do some real damage. > > When I was in college we would go out to the desert to go > shooting and everyone's favorite gun was the full auto Ruger > 10/22 rifle with the 200 round clip, it was just as fun as > the full auto Uzi, but cost a lot less. With two 50 round > clips taped together the Uzi could blow through $10 worth > (at the b*lk mail order price) of ammo in 10 seconds. The > winner of the "lethal lead" prize would have to be the Mac > 11 that could pump out an incredible amount of 45 caliber > slugs in a few seconds. > > Kevin Kelly > > ------- End of Forwarded Message From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 12:52:13 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07847 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:52:13 -0500 From: EUROMOG@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.312f848.25fe84a7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:51:35 EST Subject: Safari Gaurd To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 28 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Could someone please forward me the phone # for Safari Gaurd and their URL if they have one? Thanks, John From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 12:56:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07857 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:56:25 -0500 Message-ID: <38CD2EBA.6322F21D@ski.org> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:08:58 -0800 From: John Brabyn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Pictures References: <200003130151.RAA01172@epic11.Stanford.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Alex -- many thanks for the great pictures! It was good of you to take them in the first place and then make them available for us all. Thanks again John Alexander George Cooper wrote: > I have added some more pictures to my web page at > > 63.195.181.180/Alex/lr/index.html > > There are some pictures from both trail clearing trips as well as the Los > Padres National Forest recce, in addition to the Pismo pictures from the FHL > trip that were posted previously. > > Alexander From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 13:04:51 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07891 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:04:51 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:54:44 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: Mendo list Subject: Sighting Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Thursday afternoon, I saw a nice shiny 101FC on US 89 just norht of Prescott, AZ. How many of those things are there in the USA? From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 13:11:38 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07906 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:11:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200003131816.KAA27144@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws Date: Mon, 13 Mar 00 10:16:51 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >A Mini 14 is not, provided it is in standard form. Ah good. Thanks. It is an early version stainless steel Mini 14 that has a complete wood stock with the top and lower sections having matching grain. The only modification is the addition of a scope sight. So the only problem is that it comes with some matching stainless steel 40 round magazines, and those are evidently not illegal as long as I do not try to sell or give them away. Thanks for the info. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 13:17:14 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07926 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:17:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200003131821.KAA27488@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: Safari Gaurd Date: Mon, 13 Mar 00 10:22:27 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Could someone please forward me the phone # for Safari Gaurd and their URL >if they have one? Web site: http://www.safarigard.com This info is listed in www.overlander.net under Rover parts and accessories. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 13:49:01 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07980 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:49:01 -0500 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: <37.273c329.25fe75f3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:48:51 EST Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/12/00 2:09:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us writes: > Wouldn't the real Range Rover lifestyle be to shoot pheasants that > are driven to you by the local serf/peasants? Why yes, the Ghillies should have some help I suppose, but whether they might be serfs, peasants or just local louts I would have to ask the advice of the Gamekeeper. Keeping the knowledge of who is working for one could clutter up the mind. The end result could be catastrophic, as losing ones glass of claret for example. Zack cleaning shotguns today, the season is over last Sunday From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 14:03:49 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08007 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 14:03:49 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:32:56 -0800 Subject: Re: Bad neighborhoods... (minimal Rover content) Message-ID: <20000313.110131.-205665.17.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4,6-37 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Zack: somebody said that YOUR neighborhood was bad????? You're joking! (you are joking, aren't you?) Maybe it's all those abandonded-looking vehicles sitting on the street? :) Charles On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:22:01 EST Zaxcoinc@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 3/12/00 11:55:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, > cirvin1258@juno.com writes: > > > Not only that, > > but he doesn't even have a concealed carry permit! > Neither did her husband the first time he got caught. I believe they > both > have permits now (His and hers spousal permits). > > It is almost impossible to get a carry permit in Sacramento. There > are about > 13 in the city. Willie Browns assistant, was able to get a permit in > > Sacramento when Willie was here. The reason cited was that he > occasionally > had to walk to his car in my neighborhood. I can't get one, and I > live here. > This is a lot more disturbing than assault rifles, and do you hear > me > complain? > > Zack "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 14:06:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08023 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 14:06:08 -0500 Message-ID: <38CD3C41.92F2B210@best.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:06:41 -0800 From: Dave Pearce X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org unsubscribe From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 14:07:15 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08034 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 14:07:15 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org, dpearce@best.com Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:01:29 -0800 Subject: Re: fwd: Re: Kalifornia Gun Laws (minimal Rover content) Message-ID: <20000313.110131.-205665.18.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,10-11,17-18,23-24,33-34,37-38,41-131 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave, This thread was started NOT with the purpose of debating gun ownership, but with the purpose of explaining the state law pertaining to ownership/transportation into/within the state. There are people out there, that simply haven't a clue as to what the laws are, nor where to find out - thus, they ask their friends (posting to this list) with the hope of getting a straight, honest, and unbiased answer. Sure it's a touchy subject for some, but it's something that should not be swept under the carpet, either.(as a friend in the Air Force used to say: "it's like V.D. - it ain't going away simply by ignoring it") I feel for you for your loss, but - at risk of sounding not too feeling - you're not the first, you're not the only one, and you won't be the last (I myself can be counted here). BUT - that does not mean that those who own a gun - that haven't looked at it in years (as several on this list can probably attest to), don't have a right to know if they are now breaking the law without having done a thing. Suppose the state decided one year that they will ban certain model Land Rovers: wouldn't you like to know what can be done, if anything, in order to keep it, or would you rather have your friends not say a word to you until you get arrested for having one? Would you agree that you are a bad person for having one - and turn it in? I seriously doubt so. There are MANY people out there that have a gun, that haven't used it in years (my dad has gone shooting once in the last 37 years!). They forget that they have them (well, they overlook that they have them, let alone what kind they own), they hear about a law, they hear it's directed towards one thing only - and make the mistake of thinking that what the law says doesn't apply to what they own, and so they don't know where to look for answers, or they don't feel that they even need to know - THOSE are the people that will be in real trouble, and not the bad guys, and that is wrong. Reading this law, it said that "the state shall inform the public": gee, I didn't know that i had to register ANYTHING until Kelly said so - and it's 12 March now? Does that make ME a bad guy too? I too agree that the thread is getting a bit long - as they ALL do , and they all go away, but there's no need to stomp your feet and walk away: would be nice if you kept hanging around. Charles - not a hunter, just a collector On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:48:53 -0800 Dave Pearce writes: > Ben, > As a hunter since the age of 10, owner of several hunting guns _and_ > someone who has lost family to civilian gun activity > > UNSUBSCRIBE > > Thanks, > Dave > > Benjamin Allan Smith wrote: > > > > ------- Forwarded Message > > > > From: "Kevin Kelly" > > To: "Mendo List" > > Subject: Re: Kalifornia Gun Laws (minimal Rover content) > > Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 16:39:07 -0800 > > > > I don't want to turn this in to a "guns & rovers" list but I > > appreciate updates on changes to CA gun laws (a P.S. take a > > look at this link is fine). I don't want to end up in jail > > because a ranger searching my Range Rover finds an illegal > > 13 round clip in the Browning 9mm I got for my 12th birthday > > (my Mom didn't know my Dad gave it to me). I stocked up on > > "pre ban" Browning and Berretta clips a few years ago, and > > it wouldn't surprise me if posesing them becomes a felony > > some day. > > > > Living in San Francisco I rarely talk about guns since most > > people in the city think the only people that own guns are > > psychos that shoot up (or are planning to shoot up) High > > Schools and Day Care Centers. This list (and list related > > trips) are one of the few places I'll have the chance to > > hear about gun law changes. > > > > Dianne Feinstein and her husband Richard Blum live two > > blocks away from me (when they are not out of town passing > > legislation to keep citizens off public land or setting up > > shell companies to rip off the U.S. government). I bet I > > wouldn't be able to get within 50 feet of their front door > > before an armed body guard approached me. It always seems > > hypocritical to me when people who are surrounded by guns > > every day want to ban them. > > > > I agree with Rich on the "don't ask don't tell" aspect of > > gun ownership. Debating gun laws (or even the second > > amendment) is worse than getting in to a Bud vs. Miller, > > Ford vs. Chevy, or Mac vs. PC debate. > > > > Rich wrote: > > > > >I hear that any 12 gauge pump shotgun (with 5+ > > >round capacity) can hold and "deploy" more lethal > > >lead in 5 seconds (using 00 or 000 shells) than > > >the average full-auto Uzi with a 30 round clip (gunsmiths > > >and gunfreaks out there, please correct me if this is > > >incorrect). > > > > The key word is "lethal", a pump shotgun with 5 rounds of OO > > Buck will deploy more lead projectiles than a full auto Uzi > > with a 30 round clip, but it will not deploy more "lethal" > > lead. I have never gone duck hunting, but I know a lot of > > duck hunters, and it seems like every hunter knows a few > > people who have been hit with buckshot, very few had major > > injuries. Getting hit with a little buckshot will probably > > not kill anyone, while a half dozen 9mm rounds from an Uzi > > will do some real damage. > > > > When I was in college we would go out to the desert to go > > shooting and everyone's favorite gun was the full auto Ruger > > 10/22 rifle with the 200 round clip, it was just as fun as > > the full auto Uzi, but cost a lot less. With two 50 round > > clips taped together the Uzi could blow through $10 worth > > (at the b*lk mail order price) of ammo in 10 seconds. The > > winner of the "lethal lead" prize would have to be the Mac > > 11 that could pump out an incredible amount of 45 caliber > > slugs in a few seconds. > > > > Kevin Kelly > > > > ------- End of Forwarded Message "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 14:08:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08048 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 14:08:25 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:04:17 -0800 Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws Message-ID: <20000313.110738.-205665.19.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4,6-34 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Correct: if you had the magazines before 01Jan2000, you get to keep them. Not a problem. Charles On Mon, 13 Mar 00 10:16:51 -0800 TeriAnn Wakeman writes: > >A Mini 14 is not, provided it is in standard form. > > Ah good. Thanks. It is an early version stainless steel Mini 14 > that has > a complete wood stock with the top and lower sections having > matching > grain. The only modification is the addition of a scope sight. > > So the only problem is that it comes with some matching stainless > steel > 40 round magazines, and those are evidently not illegal as long as I > do > not try to sell or give them away. > > Thanks for the info. > > > TeriAnn > http://www.overlander.net > > The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners > with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 14:09:15 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08061 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 14:09:15 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:07:37 -0800 Subject: Re: Kodak GPS Digital Camera Message-ID: <20000313.110739.-205665.20.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-9,11-53 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Granny: one really cool option, is the ability to transmit coordinates of the picture to another location via satellite...but I think only military models have that option - and have for some time... YMMV... Charles On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 08:58:25 -0800 "Granville Pool" writes: > I'm on a mailing list for the local (Mendocino County) GIS users > group. I > get announcements for the group's meetings, even though I can't > attend them. > The announcement for the next meeting included this: > > > I am going to be giving a demonstration of the Kodak Digital Field > Imaging > > System 265, which combines a GPS unit with a digital camera. The > unit > > enables you to record the latitude/longitude coordinates of your > digital > > photograph, and then easily bring the photo into ArcView GIS. The > result > > is a GIS layer of points, with a "hotlink" to the digital photo. > This > > could be valuable for doing a photo record of some changing > feature > > (erosion points, rare plants, others...) that you wanted to track > over > > time, and know its position. > > > > I'll be talking about the good points of the system (good > integration with > > ArcView, ease of use) and its limitations (error in the GPS data > locations) > [balance of message deleted] > > Sounds like something that would be pretty cool for photos of mendo > outings, > eh? I have no idea what it costs or of its other features. > > Cheers, > > > Granny > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 14:50:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08182 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 14:50:25 -0500 Message-ID: <38CD4557.6B0D60BE@best.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:45:27 -0800 From: Dave Pearce X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: fwd: Re: Kalifornia Gun Laws (minimal Rover content) References: <20000313.110131.-205665.18.cirvin1258@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Charles, I understand all of your points, which was all I was trying to convey with my little list of gun "experience." And to that point I pretty much agree. Sitting at Doctor Bombay's in San Francisco's mission district on Saturday night making plans to go to Chabot for some shooting with my wife and friends, not only horrified some at the table, but probably was a near first for the joint (I didn't pick it). And as production manager for a now defunct online political mag (The Netizen/Hotired, covered the Clinton/Dole race) I am generally of the mindset that people can own and do what they like so long as it doesn't endanger the lives or health of their neighbors. But having spent way to much money on repairing my '87 Range Rover that was hit and run, spending way to many hours tracking down the right model door and rock sliders that attach to the rocker panels _and_ frame, what I am most interested in is the next mendo trail clearing trip. But seeing as I have just unsubscribed I will have to depend on the NCRC newsletter. If anyone wants/needs an able body for those events please feel free to contact me at: dpearce@best.com davep@cnet.com Thanks, Dave Charles R Irvin wrote: > > Dave, > > This thread was started NOT with the purpose of debating gun ownership, > but with the purpose of explaining the state law pertaining to > ownership/transportation into/within the state. There are people out > there, that simply haven't a clue as to what the laws are, nor where to > find out - thus, they ask their friends (posting to this list) with the > hope of getting a straight, honest, and unbiased answer. Sure it's a > touchy subject for some, but it's something that should not be swept > under the carpet, either.(as a friend in the Air Force used to say: "it's > like V.D. - it ain't going away simply by ignoring it") > > I feel for you for your loss, but - at risk of sounding not too feeling - > you're not the first, you're not the only one, and you won't be the last > (I myself can be counted here). BUT - that does not mean that those who > own a gun - that haven't looked at it in years (as several on this list > can probably attest to), don't have a right to know if they are now > breaking the law without having done a thing. > > Suppose the state decided one year that they will ban certain model Land > Rovers: wouldn't you like to know what can be done, if anything, in order > to keep it, or would you rather have your friends not say a word to you > until you get arrested for having one? Would you agree that you are a bad > person for having one - and turn it in? I seriously doubt so. > > There are MANY people out there that have a gun, that haven't used it in > years (my dad has gone shooting once in the last 37 years!). They forget > that they have them (well, they overlook that they have them, let alone > what kind they own), they hear about a law, they hear it's directed > towards one thing only - and make the mistake of thinking that what the > law says doesn't apply to what they own, and so they don't know where to > look for answers, or they don't feel that they even need to know - THOSE > are the people that will be in real trouble, and not the bad guys, and > that is wrong. > > Reading this law, it said that "the state shall inform the public": gee, > I didn't know that i had to register ANYTHING until Kelly said so - and > it's 12 March now? Does that make ME a bad guy too? > > I too agree that the thread is getting a bit long - as they ALL do , and > they all go away, but there's no need to stomp your feet and walk away: > would be nice if you kept hanging around. > > Charles - not a hunter, just a collector > > On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:48:53 -0800 Dave Pearce writes: > > Ben, > > As a hunter since the age of 10, owner of several hunting guns _and_ > > someone who has lost family to civilian gun activity > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE > > > > Thanks, > > Dave > > > > Benjamin Allan Smith wrote: > > > > > > ------- Forwarded Message > > > > > > From: "Kevin Kelly" > > > To: "Mendo List" > > > Subject: Re: Kalifornia Gun Laws (minimal Rover content) > > > Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 16:39:07 -0800 > > > > > > I don't want to turn this in to a "guns & rovers" list but I > > > appreciate updates on changes to CA gun laws (a P.S. take a > > > look at this link is fine). I don't want to end up in jail > > > because a ranger searching my Range Rover finds an illegal > > > 13 round clip in the Browning 9mm I got for my 12th birthday > > > (my Mom didn't know my Dad gave it to me). I stocked up on > > > "pre ban" Browning and Berretta clips a few years ago, and > > > it wouldn't surprise me if posesing them becomes a felony > > > some day. > > > > > > Living in San Francisco I rarely talk about guns since most > > > people in the city think the only people that own guns are > > > psychos that shoot up (or are planning to shoot up) High > > > Schools and Day Care Centers. This list (and list related > > > trips) are one of the few places I'll have the chance to > > > hear about gun law changes. > > > > > > Dianne Feinstein and her husband Richard Blum live two > > > blocks away from me (when they are not out of town passing > > > legislation to keep citizens off public land or setting up > > > shell companies to rip off the U.S. government). I bet I > > > wouldn't be able to get within 50 feet of their front door > > > before an armed body guard approached me. It always seems > > > hypocritical to me when people who are surrounded by guns > > > every day want to ban them. > > > > > > I agree with Rich on the "don't ask don't tell" aspect of > > > gun ownership. Debating gun laws (or even the second > > > amendment) is worse than getting in to a Bud vs. Miller, > > > Ford vs. Chevy, or Mac vs. PC debate. > > > > > > Rich wrote: > > > > > > >I hear that any 12 gauge pump shotgun (with 5+ > > > >round capacity) can hold and "deploy" more lethal > > > >lead in 5 seconds (using 00 or 000 shells) than > > > >the average full-auto Uzi with a 30 round clip (gunsmiths > > > >and gunfreaks out there, please correct me if this is > > > >incorrect). > > > > > > The key word is "lethal", a pump shotgun with 5 rounds of OO > > > Buck will deploy more lead projectiles than a full auto Uzi > > > with a 30 round clip, but it will not deploy more "lethal" > > > lead. I have never gone duck hunting, but I know a lot of > > > duck hunters, and it seems like every hunter knows a few > > > people who have been hit with buckshot, very few had major > > > injuries. Getting hit with a little buckshot will probably > > > not kill anyone, while a half dozen 9mm rounds from an Uzi > > > will do some real damage. > > > > > > When I was in college we would go out to the desert to go > > > shooting and everyone's favorite gun was the full auto Ruger > > > 10/22 rifle with the 200 round clip, it was just as fun as > > > the full auto Uzi, but cost a lot less. With two 50 round > > > clips taped together the Uzi could blow through $10 worth > > > (at the b*lk mail order price) of ammo in 10 seconds. The > > > winner of the "lethal lead" prize would have to be the Mac > > > 11 that could pump out an incredible amount of 45 caliber > > > slugs in a few seconds. > > > > > > Kevin Kelly > > > > > > ------- End of Forwarded Message > > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, > where all the women are strong, > all the men are good-looking, > and all the children, are above average." > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 14:53:45 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08199 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 14:53:45 -0500 From: RVRBRUCE@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 14:53:07 EST Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #72 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/13/00 9:58:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, owner-mendo_recce-digest@fourfold.org writes: << OK so far I gather a Ruger mini 14 is not considered an assult weapon. TRUE/FALSE?? >> Mini 14's are not classified under the assault bill because of a deal Bill Ruger made to only supply 10 round magazines before the law was passed. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 14:58:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08213 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 14:58:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200003131953.LAA11376@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:51:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: fwd: Re: Kalifornia Gun Laws (minimal Rover content) CC: Dave Pearce X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Ben, > As a hunter since the age of 10, owner of several hunting guns _and_ > someone who has lost family to civilian gun activity Thats a terrible loss, But aparently you still own Guns from the sound of it? And if you actually do some research... you'll see many of the people who want to limit assault rifles/handguns want to ultimately take your hunting rifles if they can also. Thats the problem, where does it stop? A nut case can do alot of damage with a hign powered accurate bolt action rifle, or shotgun. On the same token, I've had family members killed in ( senseless ) automobile accidents that involved alchohol.... ( accidents cause far more trauma and death, with and without alchohol ) I don't suggest we ban cars ( and *no-one* considers this viable as far as I can tell ( although boose is controlled, but autos are a requirment in todays socio-economic environment so we can't mess with that "tax base" ) ) . Its the users, not the product that are weak link unfortunately.. But we all have a right to know the current status of the laws, as they have changed. Sorry if your offended TomW > > UNSUBSCRIBE > > Thanks, > Dave *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1645.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 15:17:11 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08258 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 15:17:11 -0500 Message-ID: <38CD4C85.15EF0A9F@best.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:16:05 -0800 From: Dave Pearce X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: fwd: Re: Kalifornia Gun Laws (minimal Rover content) References: <200003131953.LAA11376@proxy4.ba.best.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org agreed, thanks Dave Tom Walsh wrote: > > > Ben, > > As a hunter since the age of 10, owner of several hunting guns _and_ > > someone who has lost family to civilian gun activity > > Thats a terrible loss, > But aparently you still own Guns from the sound of it? > And if you actually do some research... you'll see many > of the people who want to limit assault rifles/handguns want to ultimately > take your hunting rifles if they can also. Thats the problem, where > does it stop? A nut case can do alot of damage with a hign powered > accurate bolt action rifle, or shotgun. > > On the same token, I've had family members killed in ( senseless ) automobile > accidents that involved alchohol.... ( accidents cause far more > trauma and death, with and without alchohol ) > I don't suggest we ban cars ( and *no-one* considers this viable as > far as I can tell ( although boose is controlled, but autos are a > requirment in todays socio-economic environment so we can't mess with > that "tax base" ) ) . > Its the users, not the product that are weak link unfortunately.. But we all have a right to know the > current status of the laws, as they have changed. > > Sorry if your offended > > TomW > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE > > > > Thanks, > > Dave > *---------*---------* > "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1645.. LandRovers > "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" > tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 15:30:46 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08283 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 15:30:46 -0500 Message-ID: <16D03631929FD311BC5D009027D0CBB2175689@vegmail.ucdavis.edu> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "Mendo_Recce (E-mail)" Subject: Ebay forward control Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:34:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org That Forward control is up to $16000 and it still hasn't hit the reserve... -Rob From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 15:52:18 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08314 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 15:52:18 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:52:10 -0800 (PST) From: Alexander George Cooper Message-Id: <200003132052.MAA19884@saga17.Stanford.EDU> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Pictures Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Alex -- many thanks for the great pictures! It was good of you to take them in >the first place and then make them available for us all. > >Thanks again > >John It was my pleasure. Alexander From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 15:54:33 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08324 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 15:54:33 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:54:26 -0800 (PST) From: Alexander George Cooper Message-Id: <200003132054.MAA19918@saga17.Stanford.EDU> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Pictures Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Great photos! Did Walt get a few of these for his article? -->Jeff Yes I sent a set of pictures to Walt but he apparently has disappeared without trace so I believe John Hong took over writing the article. Alexander From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 16:32:56 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08352 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:32:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200003132132.NAA31598@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: fwd: Re: Kalifornia Gun Laws (minimal Rover content) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:52:10 PST." <200003130854.AAA20086@proxy2.ba.best.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:32:53 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200003130854.AAA20086@proxy2.ba.best.com>you wrote: > As my liscense plate used to read in another state: > Live Free or Die! It's the NH state motto. And the quote of either my great-great-great- great-great grandfather John Carter Stark or his brother (I can't recally which off hand). Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 16:51:02 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08400 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:51:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200003132151.NAA31820@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org cc: bens@blacker.gdbg.org Subject: Re: Sighting In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:54:44 MST." Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:51:00 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message you wr ote: > On Thursday afternoon, I saw a nice shiny 101FC on US 89 just norht of > Prescott, AZ. There was one in LRO a few years ago from AZ. > How many of those things are there in the USA? I used to guess between 25 and 50 in the US and Canada. I know know of 12 in California alone. Probably in the 50 to 75 range and growing. Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 17:11:49 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08455 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 17:11:49 -0500 Message-ID: <000301bf8d39$37c876c0$7500000a@kklaptop> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: D130?/Blair? Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:52:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Granny wrote: >I spy a D130 crewcab. I'm sure it was mentioned on the list >but I've forgotten. Whose is it? I have never seen a post on this either. This is the first D130 I have ever heard of in the U.S. I think I might have seen Blair this morning heading up the Waldo grade. I forget if his 109 has small side windows. Kevin Kelly From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 17:56:59 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08500 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 17:56:59 -0500 Message-ID: <38CD729D.F3E2B044@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 14:58:37 -0800 From: "Franklin H. Yap" X-Sender: "Franklin H. Yap" <@mail.earthlink.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-FLASHNET (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: D130?/Blair? References: <000301bf8d39$37c876c0$7500000a@kklaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kevin Kelly wrote: > >I spy a D130 crewcab. I'm sure it was mentioned on the > list > >but I've forgotten. Whose is it? > > I have never seen a post on this either. This is the first > D130 I have ever heard of in the U.S. Isn't it Daniel's (from South Africa or the UK)? Frank From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 17:58:05 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08511 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 17:58:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200003132302.PAA14486@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: D130?/Blair? Date: Mon, 13 Mar 00 15:03:18 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I spy a D130 crewcab. I'm sure it was mentioned on the >list >but I've forgotten. Whose is it? Light green, roof racks and tyre on bonnet?? TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 18:00:41 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08524 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 18:00:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200003132305.PAA14656@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws Date: Mon, 13 Mar 00 15:05:54 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Correct: if you had the magazines before 01Jan2000, you get to keep them. >Not a problem. I've had them since before 01Jan1980 so it looks like I'm legal. Whew TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 19:34:46 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08636 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:34:46 -0500 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: <78.2957ef5.25fee302@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:34:10 EST Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/13/00 3:02:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, twakeman@cruzers.com writes: > I've had them since before 01Jan1980 so it looks like I'm legal. Whew > SO other than this, an unsupported allegation, conveniently after the deadline, what evidence might you have of this utterance? Will this be sufficient to dissuade the jackbooted thug who has you in handcuffs prone on the side of the Mendo M5 forest road late some August afternoon? Personally, I have rid myself of these tools of Satan, and only retained the blessed five round magazines for my Mini14 Ranch Rifle, (note the politically correct name of the implement, rather than Mini14 Assault special). Soon the documentation will outweigh the implement, and it will be easier to get a building permit in the wilderness than to shoot legally. It will also still be easier (and more natural) to get welfare than to breathe. Zack From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 21:22:52 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08805 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:22:52 -0500 Message-ID: <00f001bf8d5a$3d6ba0e0$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: <20000313.110739.-205665.20.cirvin1258@juno.com> Subject: Re: Kodak GPS Digital Camera Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:08:47 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Along the same lines, Casio has a new watch that has a GPS built in. Combine this with the dick tracy phone watch and that head set computer from the tv comercials and you can have a pretty sweet set up Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 21:26:10 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08827 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:26:10 -0500 Message-ID: <010e01bf8d5a$b0c903c0$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: <200003132132.NAA31598@blacker.gdbg.org> Subject: Motos Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:12:00 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > As my liscense plate used to read in another state: > > Live Free or Die! > > It's the NH state motto. And the quote of either my great-great-great- > great-great grandfather John Carter Stark or his brother (I can't recally > which off hand). > > Ben I thought it was coinded by the same Virginian who said "Give me liberty or give me death", Patrick Henry? Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 21:29:53 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08855 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:29:53 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 17:32:10 -0800 Subject: Fw: RE: And you though your dealership was bad? Message-ID: <20000313.182143.-205665.24.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I couldn't help it...I had to forward this to this list! Charles "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: freddarn@nbnet.nb.ca To: lro@playground.sun.com Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:30:17 -0800 Subject: RE: And you though your dealership was bad? Message-ID: Niall wrote: Thought of the day: In England, the rednecks probably drive around in Land Rovers!! Right on Niall and the have "Bulldogs" instead of "Coonhounds" -:) Dave R. ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ** 'lro' mailing list information from 'majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net' ** REPLY TO LIST at: lro@Land-Rover.Team.Net ** lro pages: http://WWW.Land-Rover.Team.Net/ ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 21:29:56 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08859 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:29:56 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 17:25:04 -0800 Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws Message-ID: <20000313.182143.-205665.22.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It's stainless, right? She can say that it's just a prop from "The A-Team". :) Charles On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:34:10 EST Zaxcoinc@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 3/13/00 3:02:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, > twakeman@cruzers.com writes: > > > I've had them since before 01Jan1980 so it looks like I'm legal. > Whew > > > SO other than this, an unsupported allegation, conveniently after > the > deadline, what evidence might you have of this utterance? Will this > be > sufficient to dissuade the jackbooted thug who has you in handcuffs > prone on > the side of the Mendo M5 forest road late some August afternoon? > Personally, > I have rid myself of these tools of Satan, and only retained the > blessed five > round magazines for my Mini14 Ranch Rifle, (note the politically > correct name > of the implement, rather than Mini14 Assault special). Soon the > documentation > will outweigh the implement, and it will be easier to get a building > permit > in the wilderness than to shoot legally. It will also still be > easier (and > more natural) to get welfare than to breathe. > > Zack "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 22:06:06 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08957 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:06:06 -0500 Message-ID: <016f01bf8d60$3cbd9ee0$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: <20000313.182143.-205665.22.cirvin1258@juno.com> Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:51:04 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, I know that I said I wasn't going to add anymore to this, but just had to share the reply I got from the CA DOJ. Web site said to write to them with any questions I had on SB23..... I am planning on moving to CA next year and have some questions concerning the import of my AR-15. The reason I am writing to you is because of the following passage from "BILL NUMBER: SB 23 INTRODUCED" BILL TEXT "SEC. 6. Section 12285 of the Penal Code is amended to read: 12285. ... (a) (b).... (1) (2) A person moving into this state, otherwise in lawful possession of an assault weapon, shall do one of the following: (A) Prior to bringing the assault weapon into this state, that person shall first obtain a permit from the Department of Justice in the same manner as specified in Article 3 (commencing with Section 12230) of Chapter 2." Their reply: "Dear Mr. Hope: Firearms which meet the defining criteria of an assualt weapon pursuant to Penal Code section12276.1 must have been lawfully possessed in California by December 31, 1999. Assault Weapons cannot be "imported" into California after that date. If you wish further information, please contact me via e-mail or at (916) 227-3706. Sincerely yours, xxx, Field Representative Firearms Division" From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 23:10:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09267 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 23:10:25 -0500 From: LRDino@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 23:09:49 EST Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #72 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 68 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Had a CCW when Gene Byrd was in Isleton. Dino From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 23:12:03 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09277 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 23:12:03 -0500 From: LRDino@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 23:11:31 EST Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #72 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 68 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Safari Guard (909)698-6114 Dino From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 23:43:36 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09348 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 23:43:36 -0500 X-Sender: studios@cwnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Michael Carradine Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws Message-Id: <20000314044331.KBI10495.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:43:31 -0800 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org What they fail to mention is that the date of registration has been extended 1 year and therefore if you apply for the permit now you can bring the AR-15 with you. Otherwise the section could just have said it was not allowed. Of course you can argue with them until you are blue in the face because they will always "interpret" the laws as they see fit to follow their agenda unless a judge tells them otherwise. Fact is, if today you already were in California with the AR-15 you could register it. -Michael Glad this list is not archived. At 04:51 PM 3/13/00 -1000, you wrote: >Well, I know that I said I wasn't going to add anymore to this, but just had >to share the reply I got from the CA DOJ. Web site said to write to them >with any questions I had on SB23..... > > > >I am planning on moving to CA next year and have some questions concerning >the import of my AR-15. The reason I am writing to you is because of the >following passage from >"BILL NUMBER: SB 23 INTRODUCED" > BILL TEXT > >"SEC. 6. Section 12285 of the Penal Code is amended to read: > 12285. ... > (a) > (b).... > (1) > (2) A person moving into this state, otherwise in lawful >possession of an assault weapon, shall do one of the following: > (A) Prior to bringing the assault weapon into this state, that >person shall first obtain a permit from the Department of Justice in >the same manner as specified in Article 3 (commencing with Section >12230) of Chapter 2." > >Their reply: >"Dear Mr. Hope: > >Firearms which meet the defining criteria of an assualt weapon pursuant to >Penal Code section12276.1 must have been lawfully possessed in California by >December 31, 1999. Assault Weapons cannot be "imported" into California >after that date. > >If you wish further information, please contact me via e-mail or at (916) >227-3706. > >Sincerely yours, > >xxx, Field Representative >Firearms Division" > > > > > > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 23:53:28 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09367 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 23:53:28 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:32:53 -0800 Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws Message-ID: <20000313.204751.-205665.26.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,4-7,9-67 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sounds like lawyer time to me: they say that you can apply for a permit - then, they say you can't? To heck with this state - take you tax dollars to a place that'll appreciate them more: NEVADA! Charles On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:51:04 -1000 "Peter Hope" writes: > Well, I know that I said I wasn't going to add anymore to this, but > just had > to share the reply I got from the CA DOJ. Web site said to write to > them > with any questions I had on SB23..... > > > > I am planning on moving to CA next year and have some questions > concerning > the import of my AR-15. The reason I am writing to you is because > of the > following passage from > "BILL NUMBER: SB 23 INTRODUCED" > BILL TEXT > > "SEC. 6. Section 12285 of the Penal Code is amended to read: > 12285. ... > (a) > (b).... > (1) > (2) A person moving into this state, otherwise in lawful > possession of an assault weapon, shall do one of the following: > (A) Prior to bringing the assault weapon into this state, that > person shall first obtain a permit from the Department of Justice in > the same manner as specified in Article 3 (commencing with Section > 12230) of Chapter 2." > > Their reply: > "Dear Mr. Hope: > > Firearms which meet the defining criteria of an assualt weapon > pursuant to > Penal Code section12276.1 must have been lawfully possessed in > California by > December 31, 1999. Assault Weapons cannot be "imported" into > California > after that date. > > If you wish further information, please contact me via e-mail or at > (916) > 227-3706. > > Sincerely yours, > > xxx, Field Representative > Firearms Division" > > > > > > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 14 00:05:36 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09430 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 00:05:36 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000313210731.00a7b6e0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: pottsz/mail.jps.net@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:07:43 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Russ Subject: Firearms laws Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rather than interpreting what we think the laws are, check out http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/awinfo.htm Russ '72 Series III From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 14 00:23:45 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09893 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 00:23:45 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Wiring Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:31:50 -0800 Message-ID: <000101bf8d76$992d3f80$7005193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <16D03631929FD311BC5D009027D0CBB2175687@vegmail.ucdavis.edu> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Lots of people who do hot rods use them. I think it's just as easy (and a lot cheaper) to go to the wrecking yard and find the fuse box you like. Then rewire the car with the colors of your choice. Theirs is definitely more fancy. I bought an old Saab turbo that I parted out and kept all the wiring. I used this on my '64 LR (88"). It was really nice to have so many colored wires to choose from! I used a fuse block out of an older Honda Civic. Later, Kelly Minnick > > > Anyone have any good things/bad things to say about Painless wiring. I am > considering their harness designed for old Landcruisers/Broncos, to rewire > regent as opposed to Lucas OEM. One thing is I am looking at is upgraded > electronics in the lights, battery setup, alternator(alreadydone) and > switching over to all mechanical guages, and I have to replace the stock > Fuse panel, because it is part of my problems. > > -Rob > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 14 00:28:19 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09903 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 00:28:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200003140528.VAA32640@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Motos In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:12:00 -1000." <010e01bf8d5a$b0c903c0$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:28:17 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <010e01bf8d5a$b0c903c0$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com>you wrote: > I thought it was coinded by the same Virginian who said "Give me liberty or > give me death", Patrick Henry? Nope. Mr. Stark was involved with the revolution in the New Hampshire area. Previously he had won the trust of the Indians by running the gauntlet and surviving. Which made him instrumental in keeping the Indians on the side of the US. After the war NH having something like a 25th year celebration of winning and they asked Mr. Stark to come. He was about 80 or 90 at the time and declined on the ground that he was an old man and wasn't up to the travel. Instead they asked him for some words of wisdom to pass on. He replied, "Live free or die." Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 14 00:37:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10027 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 00:37:29 -0500 From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Re D130/Blair Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:48:20 -0800 Message-ID: <00a201bf8d78$e8007800$ae051fd1@BlairPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Though I would love to have my name associated with a D130, it sure ain't mine! Whereas the 109 with the small side windows glowing slowly up the Waldo grade, yep, that would be mine! Cheers, Blair PS: Kevin-- going to Mendo this year? I have something for you. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 14 00:44:51 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10037 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 00:44:51 -0500 From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: great pics.. Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:55:42 -0800 Message-ID: <00a401bf8d79$ef945c20$ae051fd1@BlairPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ..of the trail clearing. Were most of them taken on the north watershed of Trail 21, towards Crackerbox (not sure if that is right, don't have my map handy)-- above where Daniel got stuck in the 109 last year at Mendo? I don't remember so much standing dead timber there. Spotted John B's new Cooper CTDs on the Rangie MkII slinging a little dirt! Cool. Mendo is less than 2 months away... Cheers, Blair (who's been cooped up too long) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 14 00:51:45 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10048 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 00:51:45 -0500 Message-ID: <01a401bf8d77$4c60cc20$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: <20000313.204751.-205665.26.cirvin1258@juno.com> Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:36:48 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Sounds like lawyer time to me: they say that you can apply for a permit - > then, they say you can't? > > To heck with this state - take you tax dollars to a place that'll > appreciate them more: NEVADA! > Even better, someone has comeup with something to replace the pistol grip. Then ya don't need to register. nahnahnahnahnah ;-) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 14 00:57:13 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10058 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 00:57:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200003140555.VAA05087@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:53:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Kalifornia Laws (minimal Rover content) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was talking to someone today and based on what they said I just want to be clear: In all my posts, I am not espousing guns, gun violence, or gun laws ( go back and read my posts, if you don't believe it ) I am espousing *anyones* freedom to choose what they feel is right, no matter what it is ( especially if its anything afforded to us as a right in our constitution ( be it speech, association, religion etc...) ..I may not agree with everyone's beliefs or viewpoints... but I beleive they have a right to those beliefs/viewpoints. This whole Gun law issue is just another instance of peoples freedoms being taken away, whether you agree with guns or not... The statement(s) are true. I hope I'm clear! Nuff said by me! TomW *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1645.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 14 00:59:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10068 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 00:59:04 -0500 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: <27.2e68fc7.25ff2f02@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 00:58:26 EST Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #72 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/13/00 8:18:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, LRDino@aol.com writes: > Had a CCW when Gene Byrd was in Isleton. > I could have had one the same way. For those not in the know, Gene Byrd a local Police Chief (Isleton is a burg in Sacramento County) used a portion of the previous law which allowed local police chiefs to issue Concealed Weapons Permits, hereafter permits. The "understood" portion which was not explicit was that the permits were only for residents of his jurisdiction. As the law allowed him to, he issued permits to residents of the county, not just his jurisdiction. Of the hundreds he issued, not one crime has been reported due to his licensing of an individual to carry a concealed weapon, no domestic crimes, nothing. He ran for local County wide sheriff after the law changed to limit his ability to issue permits outside his jurisdiction, (he lost). The core reason was the disclosure of an incident in Williams, CA where he was alleged to have taken a woman hostage in a domestic disturbance scenario. A woman I lived with for several years,(not Gaelin, my wife)was the baby sitter in the house during the incident, which occurred while she was in high school. She stated that she didn't know there was an incident until the "cops" came and "whupped him up a bit". No charges were ever filed. Interesting place Colusa County. Zack From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 14 01:02:50 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10080 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 01:02:50 -0500 Message-ID: <01b001bf8d78$d7fc6ea0$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: <000101bf8d76$992d3f80$7005193f@minnick> Subject: Re: Wiring Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:47:49 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > Anyone have any good things/bad things to say about Painless wiring. I am > > considering their harness designed for old Landcruisers/Broncos, to rewire > > regent as opposed to Lucas OEM. Hi, I have been happy with their products. I ordered the waterproof fuse box and some headlight relays. Pretty straight forward instructions. Made my own wire harness. Hardest part is "designing" the wiring diagram. Used the one from the manual, some stuff off the web and the old harnes laying on the floor. Draw it about 5 times until I thought I had it right. I created an Excell spreadsheet for all the wire lables. Used 3m clear box tape to attach to the ends of each wire after it was run. About a thousand wire ties to get all the runs the way I wanted. After it was all set, I removed the whole thing from the vehicle, and double wrapped it with vinyl tape. I used 12g for all wires leading from power to relay to lights (headlamps, work, driving, fog, & reverse) 14g for all else. Left about a foot more then I thought I would need on both ends of each run. Ended up leaving the excess behind the dash. Kind cramped but have been thinking of building a custom dash after some recent threads on the worldwide and don't want to have to do a hack job when I get aroundtuit. Good luck, Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 14 01:05:24 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10090 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 01:05:24 -0500 Message-ID: <01b401bf8d79$32e52320$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: <200003140528.VAA32640@blacker.gdbg.org> Subject: 101's Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:50:24 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ben, many thanks for the correction. Me being from New England and all, nice to know. Was wondering, did you import your 101 from the UK, Canada, or find it in the US? How many in country? Pete > Nope. Mr. Stark was involved with the revolution in the > New Hampshire area. Previously he had won the trust of the Indians by > running the gauntlet and surviving. Which made him instrumental in keeping the > Indians on the side of the US. After the war NH having something > like a 25th year celebration of winning and they asked Mr. Stark to come. > He was about 80 or 90 at the time and declined on the ground that he was > an old man and wasn't up to the travel. Instead they asked him for some > words of wisdom to pass on. He replied, "Live free or die." > > Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 14 01:11:11 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10101 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 01:11:11 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:11:04 -0800 (PST) From: Alexander George Cooper Message-Id: <200003140611.WAA29918@epic6.Stanford.EDU> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: great pics.. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm afraid I can't tell you exactly where the pictures were taken because I'm not that familiar with the Mendo area and I wasn't following our progress on a map. Maybe some of the other participants can help out here... Alexander From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 14 01:13:48 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10111 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 01:13:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200003140613.WAA00396@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 101's In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:50:24 -1000." <01b401bf8d79$32e52320$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:13:46 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <01b401bf8d79$32e52320$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com>you wrote: > Was wondering, did you import your 101 from the UK, Canada, or find it in > the US? How many in country? My 101s were brought into the US around 1984 and 1986 3 owners ago. They were posted for sale on the various lists about 14 months ago and were located near Seattle at the time. My best current guess is that there are between 50 and 75 101FCs in the US and Canada. More seem to be turning up every day. Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 14 11:15:24 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10728 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:15:24 -0500 From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Who's white Disco.. Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:26:34 -0800 Message-ID: <000b01bf8dd2$113ca960$ae051fd1@BlairPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ..spotted last night on the foot of Union between Front and Battery (in SF)? Walking to my car (the slow 109 with the small side windows, parked about 50yds ahead of the Disco) first I noticed the shackle in the hitch receiver, then the New Mexico plates, then the NCRC sticker! I work right around the corner. Cheers, Blair. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 14 12:48:41 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10852 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:48:41 -0500 Message-ID: <0560141A7916D211A64A00A0C9C9A815024227BA@nwms15.chinalake.navy.mil> From: "Minnick, Kelly T" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Nothing like beating that ole' dead horse Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:48:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Lesson from Australia It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed, a program costing the government more than $500 million dollars. And now the results are in: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent; Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent; Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent). In the state of Victoria, homicides with firearms are up 300 percent. Figures over the previous 25 years show a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms (changed drastically in the past 12 months). There has been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly. Australian politicians are on the spot and at a loss to explain how no improvement in "safety" has been observed after such monumental effort and expense was successfully expended in "ridding society of guns." Bet you won't see this data on the evening news or hear your governor or members of the state Assembly disseminating this information. Kelly Minnick NAWCWD 478200D 1 Administration Circle China Lake, CA 93555-6100 Phone: (760) 939-7647, DSN 437-7647 Fax: (760) 939-7708, DSN 437-7708 Email: MinnickKT@navair.navy.mil From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 14 13:09:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10867 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 13:09:21 -0500 Message-ID: <20000314180918.20358.qmail@web704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:09:18 -0800 (PST) From: KC Subject: Re: Pictures To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Alex: Thanks for putting all these great pictures out there for us. KC --- Alexander George Cooper wrote: > > I have added some more pictures to my web page at > > 63.195.181.180/Alex/lr/index.html > > There are some pictures from both trail clearing trips as well as the Los > Padres National Forest recce, in addition to the Pismo pictures from the > FHL > trip that were posted previously. > > Alexander __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 14 14:00:13 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10957 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:00:13 -0500 Message-ID: <38CE8F31.6B9BC61B@ski.org> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:12:49 -0800 From: John Brabyn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Range Rovers website moved References: <00a401bf8d79$ef945c20$ae051fd1@BlairPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just wanted to let everyone know that I am moving the "Range Rovers" website from its former convoluted address at http://home.earthlink.net/~cyberkiwi/rangerover/ to a new and shorter one at http://www.rangerovers.net Let me know if you have any problems accessing it, or any suggestions for improvements and/or additions. Cheers John From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 14 14:01:07 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10969 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:01:07 -0500 Message-ID: <38CE8F67.E1D8996D@ski.org> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:13:43 -0800 From: John Brabyn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: great pics.. References: <00a401bf8d79$ef945c20$ae051fd1@BlairPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hear Hear Blair -- I couldn't help noticing that too. Look forward to seeing you at Mendo I hope. Cheers John Blair Peterson wrote: > ..of the trail clearing. Were most of them taken on the north watershed of > Trail 21, towards Crackerbox (not sure if that is right, don't have my map > handy)-- above where Daniel got stuck in the 109 last year at Mendo? I > don't remember so much standing dead timber there. > > Spotted John B's new Cooper CTDs on the Rangie MkII slinging a little dirt! > Cool. Mendo is less than 2 months away... > > Cheers, > Blair > (who's been cooped up too long) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 14 14:44:57 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10996 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:44:57 -0500 Message-ID: <16D03631929FD311BC5D009027D0CBB2175691@vegmail.ucdavis.edu> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "Mendo_Recce (E-mail)" Subject: New Plotter Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:48:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Our department just picked up a used HP color plotter, and my first test print was a 36" version of Regent on the trail clearing... Cool -Rob From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 14 15:33:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11061 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:33:08 -0500 Message-ID: <20000314203245.24360.rocketmail@web222.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:32:45 -0800 (PST) From: joe mulqueen Subject: RE: wiring To: mendo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Painless Wiring doesn't list components reqd for someone running their own wires (for example 12g) directly to headlamps. More specifically, they don't list the individual metal connectors that attach to the bulb. "Cole-Hersee" has these parts, but you have to buy through a distributer and 90+% of 'em don't stock the parts. The uniqueness of these connectors is that they are approx. 5/16" wide and NO ONE carries anything that will secure to the mating tabs on your headlamp. Commonly available pre-assembled headlamp "pigtail assys" all feature 16G wire (and all wires are the same color). I've found this issue very aggravating......... JoeMulqueen (with 12G wires dangling out of empty headlamp buckets waiting for useable connectors) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:47:49 -1000 From: "Peter Hope" Subject: Re: Wiring > > Anyone have any good things/bad things to say about Painless wiring. I am > > considering their harness designed for old Landcruisers/Broncos, to rewire > > regent as opposed to Lucas OEM. Hi, I have been happy with their products. I ordered the waterproof fuse box and some headlight relays. Pretty straight forward instructions. Made my own wire harness. Hardest part is "designing" the wiring diagram. Used the one from the manual, some stuff off the web and the old harnes laying on the floor. Draw it about 5 times until I thought I had it right. I created an Excell spreadsheet for all the wire lables. Used 3m clear box tape to attach to the ends of each wire after it was run. About a thousand wire ties to get all the runs the way I wanted. After it was all set, I removed the whole thing from the vehicle, and double wrapped it with vinyl tape. I used 12g for all wires leading from power to relay to lights (headlamps, work, driving, fog, & reverse) 14g for all else. Left about a foot more then I thought I would need on both ends of each run. Ended up leaving the excess behind the dash. Kind cramped but have been thinking of building a custom dash after some recent threads on the worldwide and don't want to have to do a hack job when I get aroundtuit. Good luck, Pete __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 14 17:08:38 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11180 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 17:08:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200003142213.OAA28569@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Mojave trail trip this upcoming weekend Date: Tue, 14 Mar 00 14:13:50 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "LRO list" , "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just a reminder that the Majave desert not-a-trip is coming up this weekend. The plan is to follow the directions from http://www.fourfold.org/mendo_recce/Mojave.y2k Current meeting place is where the trail crosses Needles Rd. Mojave Road crosses Needles Rd. 16.2 miles from needles. There is a small (1.5 foot) rock cairn on the trail on the side of the road. N 35d 03.125', W 114d 40.552' or UTM: 11S E0711967 N3881290 Turn left onto the Mojave Road We currently plan to start from that location at 9AM Saturday. I and possibly others will be camping on the trail near the intersection Fri night. There are motel rooms in Needles for those who would like one last night in a real bed and a morning shower. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 14 17:41:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11226 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 17:41:27 -0500 Message-ID: <38CEC075.82492FBD@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:43:01 -0800 From: "Franklin H. Yap" X-Sender: "Franklin H. Yap" <@mail.earthlink.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-FLASHNET (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Netscape Question (No LR Content) References: <00a401bf8d79$ef945c20$ae051fd1@BlairPC> <38CE8F31.6B9BC61B@ski.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A question for someone who may be knowledgeable about Netscape. Yesterday I "lost" the mail in my inbox for Sunday and Monday. All prior messages appear intact. This has never happened in the many years I have used Netscape (currently using Communicator 4.7). Deleted messages in the Trash were still there. When I exit the program there is a compression of the files and I had interrupted it on exiting. Could this have caused the latest files in my Inbox to disappear? (Altho I think I've done that before without any dire consequence.) Thanks for any help. Frank From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 14 17:56:23 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11243 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 17:56:23 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:01:28 -0800 Subject: Re: great pics.. From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Good memory Blair! We cleared trails 2 and 21 on both trips. While we encountered downed trees all along the trails, the bulk of 'em were near Crackerbox and the intersection of 21 and 2. Hope to see the Petersen clan in the near future... -->Jeff > Hear Hear Blair -- I couldn't help noticing that too. Look forward to seeing > you at Mendo I hope. > > Cheers > > John > > Blair Peterson wrote: > >> ..of the trail clearing. Were most of them taken on the north watershed of >> Trail 21, towards Crackerbox (not sure if that is right, don't have my map >> handy)-- above where Daniel got stuck in the 109 last year at Mendo? I >> don't remember so much standing dead timber there. >> >> Spotted John B's new Cooper CTDs on the Rangie MkII slinging a little dirt! >> Cool. Mendo is less than 2 months away... >> >> Cheers, >> Blair >> (who's been cooped up too long) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 14 18:23:47 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11261 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:23:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200003142318.PAA07488@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: d90@onelist.com Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:16:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: (D90) rear bumper CC: mendo_recce@fourfold.org X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I am looking for opinions on D90 rear bumper options... Specifically, I'd like to use the Brittish Pacific/Task outfitters rear jamboree rack, along with either the SG rear bumper or Rover accesories or Desert Rover bumperette thingies.... all input is useful, I'd specifically like to here from folks who have the rack in some configuration.. Thanks *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1642.. LandRovers Live Free Or Die tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 14 19:31:50 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11338 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 19:31:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200003150029.QAA08599@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:27:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Holland & Holland X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mums the word... but I just verbally ( to be followed tomorrow by officially ) secured the one open slot San Jose LR has for the Holland & Holland Range Rover ( 125 total units ) .... This will be for a siginificant other ( IE: wife ) She doesn't know, lets keep it that way :) It hopefully will arrive in a month or two... which is way earlier than the beemer will ever arrive!!!! ( and maybe she will like it enough... that we all can drive Land Rovers instead, or she can drive it *till* it shows up, then I'll be *forced* to drive it ) .. ( plus,... she's eyeing my yellow D90!!!!!! with statements about how good she'd look in it with the top down!!! ) So there isn't much info to be had on these things beyond an external photo I got from the dealer yesterday and a poor quality photo I found in a truck magazine... So if ya surf accross any, leme know.... Hell, it *doesn't* come with a holland and holland hunting shotgun! :( TomW *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1642.. LandRovers Live Free Or Die tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 14 19:34:51 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11348 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 19:34:51 -0500 Message-ID: <16D03631929FD311BC5D009027D0CBB2175695@vegmail.ucdavis.edu> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Holland & Holland Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:38:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org My god Tom, share some with the rest of us! -Rob -----Original Message----- From: Tom Walsh [mailto:tomw@best.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 4:28 PM To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Holland & Holland Mums the word... but I just verbally ( to be followed tomorrow by officially ) secured the one open slot San Jose LR has for the Holland & Holland Range Rover ( 125 total units ) .... This will be for a siginificant other ( IE: wife ) She doesn't know, lets keep it that way :) It hopefully will arrive in a month or two... which is way earlier than the beemer will ever arrive!!!! ( and maybe she will like it enough... that we all can drive Land Rovers instead, or she can drive it *till* it shows up, then I'll be *forced* to drive it ) .. ( plus,... she's eyeing my yellow D90!!!!!! with statements about how good she'd look in it with the top down!!! ) So there isn't much info to be had on these things beyond an external photo I got from the dealer yesterday and a poor quality photo I found in a truck magazine... So if ya surf accross any, leme know.... Hell, it *doesn't* come with a holland and holland hunting shotgun! :( TomW *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1642.. LandRovers Live Free Or Die tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 14 20:06:30 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11375 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:06:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200003150103.RAA20096@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 17:01:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Holland & Holland X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > My god Tom, share some with the rest of us! > she already ordered the beemer, but is all depressed its gonna take eons to get here... if she likes the rangie, maybe she won't need the beemer ( deposits aren't that expensive ( sorta ) ) > -Rob I already have in some ways ( I hope ) :) Plus I never kiss and tell.. If things keep going well ( ultimately ), when I may be less busy.... we all will benifit ( hopefully ) from stuff I'd like to do! Also, The D90 was a gift from my sister!!!! ( I have to return a favor as a result ) Nuff said! PS: I don't mean to make it sound like I'm bragging.. I'm just excited ( like a little kid ), I'm sure some folks mis-understand this :( I've only spent a few thousand dollars on this so far! TomW > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Walsh [mailto:tomw@best.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 4:28 PM > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: Holland & Holland > > > Mums the word... > but I just verbally ( to be followed tomorrow by officially ) secured > the one open slot San Jose LR has for the Holland & Holland Range > Rover ( 125 total units ) .... This will be for a siginificant other ( IE: > wife ) > She doesn't know, lets keep it that way :) > It hopefully will arrive in a month or two... which is way earlier > than the beemer will ever arrive!!!! ( and maybe she will like it > enough... that we all can drive Land Rovers instead, or she can drive > it *till* it shows up, then I'll be *forced* to drive it ) .. > ( plus,... she's eyeing my yellow D90!!!!!! with statements about > how good she'd look in it with the top down!!! ) > > So there isn't much info to be had on these things beyond an external > photo I got from the dealer yesterday and a poor quality photo I > found in a truck magazine... > So if ya surf accross any, leme know.... > Hell, it *doesn't* come with a holland and holland hunting shotgun! :( > TomW > *---------*---------* > "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1642.. LandRovers > Live Free Or Die > tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1642.. LandRovers Live Free Or Die tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 14 21:08:13 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11392 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 21:08:13 -0500 X-Sender: studios@cwnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Michael Carradine Subject: RE: Holland & Holland Message-Id: <20000315020812.EFWB3940.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:08:12 -0800 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 05:01 PM 3/14/00 -0800, Tom W wrote: >Nuff said! > >PS: I don't mean to make it sound like I'm bragging.. I'm just excited ( >like a little kid ), I'm sure some folks mis-understand this :( Congrat's Tom! I'd be exited too... busting at the seams. So Tom, is this going to be the secret weapon, your entry this year in the Nevada Trophy?? ;) -Michael '89 RR Champagne dreams on a beer budget From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 14 21:20:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11403 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 21:20:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200003150217.SAA10775@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:15:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Holland & Holland X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > At 05:01 PM 3/14/00 -0800, Tom W wrote: > >Nuff said! > > > >PS: I don't mean to make it sound like I'm bragging.. I'm just excited ( > >like a little kid ), I'm sure some folks mis-understand this :( > > > Congrat's Tom! I'd be exited too... busting at the seams. > > So Tom, is this going to be the secret weapon, your entry > this year in the Nevada Trophy?? ;) Not bloody likely! :) I have a feeling this *will* be a mall wagon... The only off-roading it may see is my driveway ( which actually requires 4wd in a few parking spots when muddy :) TomW > > > -Michael > > '89 RR > > Champagne dreams on a beer budget > > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1642.. LandRovers tax evasion is a crime, tax avoidance is your right! tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 00:09:23 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11493 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:09:23 -0500 Message-ID: <38CF1BBF.C8CF596D@home.com> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 21:12:31 -0800 From: Fil Figueroa Organization: Empty Wallet Foundation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Holland & Holland References: <16D03631929FD311BC5D009027D0CBB2175695@vegmail.ucdavis.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "Kerner, Rob" wrote: > > My god Tom, share some with the rest of us! > > -Rob > > Tom, are you getting a matching firearm to go with this rangie?, you can have the lazy bugger engrave on it :), you got to bring this H/H rangie to mendo cheers, Fil From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 00:26:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11952 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:26:29 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: (D90) rear bumper Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 21:34:34 -0800 Message-ID: <000101bf8e40$252e36a0$0f05193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <200003142318.PAA07488@proxy2.ba.best.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Wait a minute. You have the Series 88", a FC-101 (& trailer), a Disco, a D-90, a H & H RR, a 911 4wd turbo, a BMW 5xi, Ford power stroke, ... Did I miss anything? I would guess DMV loves you! (that and the insurance people). Actually, I'm just jealous. Do you need to 'store' any of them??? :) Kelly Minnick > I am looking for opinions on D90 rear bumper options... > Specifically, > I'd like to use the Brittish Pacific/Task outfitters rear jamboree > rack, along with either the SG rear bumper or Rover accesories or > Desert Rover bumperette thingies.... > all input is useful, I'd specifically like to here from folks who > have the rack in some configuration.. > > Thanks > *---------*---------* > "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1642.. LandRovers > Live Free Or Die > tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 01:37:39 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA12107 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 01:37:39 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 198.83.128.2 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: Re: RE: (D90) rear bumper From: "msandcdg@mail.slip.net" Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 01:37:21 -0500 To: "mendo_recce@fourfold.org" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-Id: <200003150137642.SM00250@olympia.softcomca.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by guinness.ovlr.org id BAA12105 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org yes you did miss something. 109 SIIa SW :) Mehdi Original Message: ----------------- From: Kelly Minnick kminnick@gte.net Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 21:34:34 -0800 Subject: RE: (D90) rear bumper Wait a minute. You have the Series 88", a FC-101 (& trailer), a Disco, a D-90, a H & H RR, a 911 4wd turbo, a BMW 5xi, Ford power stroke, ... Did I miss anything? I would guess DMV loves you! (that and the insurance people). Actually, I'm just jealous. Do you need to 'store' any of them??? :) Kelly Minnick > I am looking for opinions on D90 rear bumper options... > Specifically, > I'd like to use the Brittish Pacific/Task outfitters rear jamboree > rack, along with either the SG rear bumper or Rover accesories or > Desert Rover bumperette thingies.... > all input is useful, I'd specifically like to here from folks who > have the rack in some configuration.. > > Thanks > *---------*---------* > "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1642.. LandRovers > Live Free Or Die > tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------- This message has been posted from Mail2Web http://www.mail2web.com/ Web Hosting for $9.95 per month! Visit: http://www.yourhosting.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 01:49:58 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA12121 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 01:49:58 -0500 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200003150137642.SM00250@olympia.softcomca.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:45:30 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Russ Wilson Subject: Re: RE: (D90) rear bumper Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >yes you did miss something. 109 SIIa SW >:) >Wait a minute. You have the Series 88", a FC-101 (& trailer), a Disco, a >D-90, a H & H RR, a 911 4wd turbo, a BMW 5xi, Ford power stroke, ... Did I >miss anything? I would guess DMV loves you! (that and the insurance people). >Actually, I'm just jealous. Do you need to 'store' any of them??? :) I'd think that this would qualify you for the "Fleet Discount" at your local insurance office. What's next on the shopping list?? I hear Unimogs can be great fun... Russ and Leslie Wilson "Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains." -Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 02:00:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12132 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 02:00:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200003150659.WAA25321@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:27:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Holland & Holland X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Tom, > > are you getting a matching firearm to go with this rangie?, If bruce is correct and there most basic pheasant gun starts @ 75K I'm not quite sure I could justify that!! It must fire solid gold buckshot! TomW > you can have > the lazy bugger engrave on it :), you got to bring this H/H rangie to > mendo > > cheers, > > Fil > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1642.. LandRovers tax evasion is a crime, tax avoidance is your right! tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 02:00:40 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12142 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 02:00:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200003150659.WAA25640@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:27:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: (D90) rear bumper X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Wait a minute. You have the Series 88", a FC-101 (& trailer), a Disco, a > D-90, a H & H RR, a 911 4wd turbo, a BMW 5xi, Ford power stroke, ... Did I > miss anything? I would guess DMV loves you! (that and the insurance people). > Actually, I'm just jealous. Do you need to 'store' any of them??? :) > its not that bad! Consider the Disco Sold, The 101 Trailer is going w/ Ben to Texas, The BMW is on order and will take 6 months and won't be paid for till delivery The Porsche is same deal... The RR same deal..( which may or may not be the bmr ) The saab will go when one of the above shows up. So its only AN 88", 90",100", 101",109", 172", and a saab :) TomW > Kelly Minnick > > > I am looking for opinions on D90 rear bumper options... > > Specifically, > > I'd like to use the Brittish Pacific/Task outfitters rear jamboree > > rack, along with either the SG rear bumper or Rover accesories or > > Desert Rover bumperette thingies.... > > all input is useful, I'd specifically like to here from folks who > > have the rack in some configuration.. > > > > Thanks > > *---------*---------* > > "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1642.. LandRovers > > Live Free Or Die > > tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com > > > > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1642.. LandRovers tax evasion is a crime, tax avoidance is your right! tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 02:16:16 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12156 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 02:16:16 -0500 Date: 14 Mar 2000 23:16:10 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com X-Sender: web79245@dreamlab.cc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: An Open Invitation to join me on... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org a 7 day excursion through the southern slice of Utah stretching from St. George in the West, to the Grand Staircase/Escalante area to the east. I'll be down there from Saturday (yes, this Saturday), through the following Sunday. Sorry for the short notice, and if no one can make it I'll understand. I've been planning to do this for several months, but didn't know if it'd really happen until the past few days. I'll be exploring sand dunes, archaeological sites, slot canyons, lake shores, and anything else that comes up. Driving will be mostly on dirt roads and old mostly unused jeep trails. I will be travelling alone, and camping mostly in a tent or in the car if the weather gets really bad. I'm leaving Friday morning early to get to Logan, Utah that night to crash with my parents at their home. I'll leave for St. George early Saturday morning, arriving at the primitive campground on the eastern side of the sand dunes that early evening. I'll have my cell phone on the entire week, and believe it or not, coverage (I hear) is pretty good. Anyone is free to join me at any point in the week for a few hours or a few days depending on schedules. Call if you want more information while I'm down there (503-329-6800), or e-mail tomorrow or Thursday. Again, sorry for the late notice, but I know there are a few of you who are really unemployed and can take off at a moments notice! Later, Michael Slade Portland, Oregon www.DreamLab.cc From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 02:34:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12168 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 02:34:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200003150733.XAA11761@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 23:31:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: (D90) rear bumper X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Wait a minute. You have the Series 88", a FC-101 (& trailer), a Disco, a > D-90, a H & H RR, a 911 4wd turbo 4wd cabrio, non turbo.... the wait for a turbo is *very* long and its not offered as yet on the cabrio! Did I mention the D90 was a gift? So, who has the bumper caps and or the rack.... how are the desert rover ones? they look different, is the stock D90 bumper "limiting" ? TomW *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1642.. LandRovers tax evasion is a crime, tax avoidance is your right! tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 02:42:36 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12180 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 02:42:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200003150740.XAA12833@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 23:38:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: (D90) rear bumper X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > So its only AN 88", 90",100", 101",109", 172", and a saab :) > I've had 7 for quite a while! We just replaced the old F250 w/ a D90 ( we donated the F250 and old camper to an animal shelter ) I only paid ~~$4500 or so for both series ( of course its not the purchase price with them!!! ) and it looks like I got the 101 ( and trailer ) for less the bidding two days ago for the new Ebay one!! Quite frugal of me :) of coarse now I can't afford the gas for em :) > TomW *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1642.. LandRovers tax evasion is a crime, tax avoidance is your right! tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 02:46:35 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12190 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 02:46:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200003150744.XAA27518@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 23:42:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: An Open Invitation to join me on... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Anyone is free to join me at any point in the week for a few hours or a few > days depending on schedules. Call if you want more information while I'm > down there (503-329-6800), or e-mail tomorrow or Thursday. > > Again, sorry for the late notice, but I know there are a few of you who are > really unemployed and can take off at a moments notice! > I may be able to get a bunch of Rovers... but... consider yourself lucky man.... You somehow have managed to get time!!! I can't buy,produce or invent that! TomW, lotsa rovers, no time..... > Later, > > > Michael Slade > Portland, Oregon > www.DreamLab.cc > > > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1642.. LandRovers tax evasion is a crime, tax avoidance is your right! tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 02:55:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12201 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 02:55:00 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: (D90) rear bumper Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:03:13 -0800 Message-ID: <000001bf8e54$e9995380$6105193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <200003150733.XAA11761@proxy2.ba.best.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I don't know. Bring the D90 down and let me try and see if it hangs on anything... A gift? How come I don't get gifts like that? I get things like S-K tool sets, air grinders, springs for the beast... I must not be doing something right... Later, Kelly Minnick > > Wait a minute. You have the Series 88", a FC-101 (& trailer), a Disco, a > > D-90, a H & H RR, a 911 4wd turbo > > 4wd cabrio, non turbo.... the wait for a turbo is *very* long and its > not offered as yet on the cabrio! > > Did I mention the D90 was a gift? > > So, who has the bumper caps and or the rack.... how are the desert > rover ones? they look different, is the stock D90 bumper "limiting" ? > > TomW From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 03:04:06 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA12213 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 03:04:06 -0500 Date: 15 Mar 2000 00:04:03 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org X-Sender: web79245@dreamlab.cc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: An Open Invitation to join me on... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Tom writes... >I may be able to get a bunch of Rovers... but... consider yourself >lucky man.... You somehow have managed to get time!!! >I can't buy,produce or invent that! > >TomW, lotsa rovers, no time..... > When you get that 'time invention' thing up and going, I want in on the IPO ok? Timm Cooper came over tonight and looked at my pile of rover parts. he's excited to get goign on it. I'll see him tomorrow and mention your 'interest' in having him work on a project for you. I'll have him get a hold of you somehow. Later, Michael Slade Portland, Oregon www.DreamLab.cc From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 05:30:53 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12398 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 05:30:53 -0500 Message-ID: <20000315103016.48184.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [158.252.240.190] From: "Lou Weinert" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Who's white Disco.. Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 02:30:16 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >..spotted last night on the foot of Union between Front and Battery (in >SF)? >Walking to my car (the slow 109 with the small side windows, parked about >50yds ahead of the Disco) first I noticed the shackle in the hitch >receiver, >then the New Mexico plates, then the NCRC sticker! I work right around the >corner. > >Cheers, >Blair. Yeah, that was me. I was going to Varitel at 1 Union for an evening telecine. I'm in that area fairly irregularly (lots of post-production houses) and often notice your 110 there. I was running late (as usual), but saw your 109. After all I've read about it, I was glad to see you driving it to work. Too bad I couldn't get a closer look. Maybe one of these days we'll actually get on the trail with some of the members- I'm dying here!! -Lou Weinert ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 05:39:35 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12410 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 05:39:35 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 02:13:10 -0800 Subject: Re: (D90) rear bumper Message-ID: <20000315.023952.-141911.8.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-6,10-33 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Tom, Call Ron @ Fabricor: 818-768-5367 - he makes 'em. WHATEVER YOU DO - DON'T mention Trek Outfitters to him! (it's a very sore spot) He's currently working on "Swingaway: The Next Generation". I don't have one of these carriers on my truck (my chassis is sooooooo bad, it probably couldn't take the weight!), but I can pretty much assure you - if somebody ever hit it, it ain't gonna break! Charles On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:16:33 -0800 "Tom Walsh" writes: > I am looking for opinions on D90 rear bumper options... > Specifically, > I'd like to use the Brittish Pacific/Task outfitters rear jamboree > rack, along with either the SG rear bumper or Rover accesories or > Desert Rover bumperette thingies.... > all input is useful, I'd specifically like to here from folks who > have the rack in some configuration.. > > Thanks > *---------*---------* > "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1642.. > LandRovers > Live Free Or Die > tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 09:42:16 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12508 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:42:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200003151447.GAA07955@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: Holland & Holland Date: Wed, 15 Mar 00 06:47:31 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >> are you getting a matching firearm to go with this rangie?, > >If bruce is correct and there most basic pheasant gun starts @ 75K >I'm not quite sure I could justify that!! >It must fire solid gold buckshot! I grew up with a Holland & Holland 300 Magnium in the house (My Dad's hunting rifle). It was a well cared for tool my Dad used to feed his family (I grew up eating venison and elk instead of beef and pork). It never occured to me that his rifle could be worth anywhere near what you guys are saying. Amazing TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 09:55:33 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12519 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:55:33 -0500 Message-ID: <16D03631929FD311BC5D009027D0CBB2175696@vegmail.ucdavis.edu> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Holland & Holland Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 06:59:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I should have been more clear. Leave some Land-Rovers for the rest of us to buy! -Rob -----Original Message----- From: Tom Walsh [mailto:tomw@best.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 5:02 PM To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Holland & Holland > My god Tom, share some with the rest of us! > she already ordered the beemer, but is all depressed its gonna take eons to get here... if she likes the rangie, maybe she won't need the beemer ( deposits aren't that expensive ( sorta ) ) > -Rob I already have in some ways ( I hope ) :) Plus I never kiss and tell.. If things keep going well ( ultimately ), when I may be less busy.... we all will benifit ( hopefully ) from stuff I'd like to do! Also, The D90 was a gift from my sister!!!! ( I have to return a favor as a result ) Nuff said! PS: I don't mean to make it sound like I'm bragging.. I'm just excited ( like a little kid ), I'm sure some folks mis-understand this :( I've only spent a few thousand dollars on this so far! TomW > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Walsh [mailto:tomw@best.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 4:28 PM > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: Holland & Holland > > > Mums the word... > but I just verbally ( to be followed tomorrow by officially ) secured > the one open slot San Jose LR has for the Holland & Holland Range > Rover ( 125 total units ) .... This will be for a siginificant other ( IE: > wife ) > She doesn't know, lets keep it that way :) > It hopefully will arrive in a month or two... which is way earlier > than the beemer will ever arrive!!!! ( and maybe she will like it > enough... that we all can drive Land Rovers instead, or she can drive > it *till* it shows up, then I'll be *forced* to drive it ) .. > ( plus,... she's eyeing my yellow D90!!!!!! with statements about > how good she'd look in it with the top down!!! ) > > So there isn't much info to be had on these things beyond an external > photo I got from the dealer yesterday and a poor quality photo I > found in a truck magazine... > So if ya surf accross any, leme know.... > Hell, it *doesn't* come with a holland and holland hunting shotgun! :( > TomW > *---------*---------* > "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1642.. LandRovers > Live Free Or Die > tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1642.. LandRovers Live Free Or Die tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 10:04:57 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12540 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:04:57 -0500 Message-ID: <0560141A7916D211A64A00A0C9C9A8150248F273@nwms15.chinalake.navy.mil> From: "Minnick, Kelly T" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: RR rear Wiper Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:03:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I ordered a (used) rear hatch wiper motor the other day from APE. It's the newer style (thinner) and only one mounting bolt hole. Has anyone put one of these in an older RR? Do I retrofit my old bracket to try and fit this new motor body? Price was $50 Vs something like $234 for a new one from our typical sources. Later, Kelly Minnick NAWCWD 478200D 1 Administration Circle China Lake, CA 93555-6100 Phone: (760) 939-7647, DSN 437-7647 Fax: (760) 939-7708, DSN 437-7708 Email: MinnickKT@navair.navy.mil From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 10:37:50 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12575 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:37:50 -0500 Message-id: <1000315073607.a1255f.26f36e02.ASIP6.2b6.49747@smtp.pvr.com> Subject: OT: careers Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:36:55 -0800 x-sender: frey@smtp.pvr.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Bob Frey To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org We've had lots of cross associations on the list on the past such as motorcycle ownership, firearms, programmers etc. Anyone besides Mehdi, Lou and myself involved in television production? on 3/15/00 2:30 AM Lou Weinert wrote: >Yeah, that was me. I was going to Varitel at 1 Union for an evening >telecine. I'm in that area fairly irregularly (lots of post-production >houses) and often notice your 110 there. I was running late (as usual), but >saw your 109. After all I've read about it, I was glad to see you driving it >to work. Too bad I couldn't get a closer look. Maybe one of these days we'll >actually get on the trail with some of the members- I'm dying here!! Bob Frey '65 Series IIA 88 "Chug" From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 10:45:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12593 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:45:00 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:42:14 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: john hess Subject: heater history? Cc: lro@playground.sun.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org HI, I need some info from folks who have a shin burner heater in his or her truck. Stubby is a series 2 88. He has a shin burner heater that mounts to the bulkhead with 3 bolts. These three bolts are double ended; one end goes through the firewall and nuts inside the engine compartment secure the motor. The other end is also threaded and nuts secure the heater housing to the motor. I have a spare heater that is different; it is stored away and I don't know how it attaches, but the real question is: is the three bolt heater to bulkhead attachment system only used on series 2? or is it series 2 and early series 2a or all series 2 and 2a? I am trying to get my motor fixed, but would gladly welcome offers of "new" heaters or motors. Thanks, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 10:58:22 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12614 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:58:22 -0500 From: "Nick Eckert" To: Subject: D110 may be available for sale Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:36:51 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was over at Newport Land Rover last night. One of the salesmen told me they just put a bid in on a D110 that was taken as trade at a non-Landy dealership. With any luck they should have it on the lot within 1-2 weeks. I can't afford it, but I would rather see it go to a good Landy home, then to another SoCal Yuppie who will never take it off-road. Cheers, Nick From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 10:59:12 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12624 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:59:12 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:49:06 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: An Open Invitation to join me on... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On 14 Mar 2000, Michael Slade wrote: > I'll have my cell phone on the entire week, and believe it or not, coverage > (I hear) is pretty good. You heard correctly. We are able to get a strong signal on our cell phone in most places in southern Utah. In many of those places, we cannot get even a weak signal on our AM or FM radios (night is a different story for the AM). I am surprised at the coverage when we are 30 miles form the nearest paved road. Our phone is a full power bag phone, though, so your reception may vary. James From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 11:00:03 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12634 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:00:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200003151600.IAA01489@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: fwd: RE: Holland & Holland Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:00:01 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ Majordomo didn't like v*rus. -Ben ] ------- Forwarded Message Subject: RE: Holland & Holland Date: Wed, 15 Mar 00 07:46:24 -0800 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" >I should have been more clear. Leave some Land-Rovers for the rest of us to >buy! Land Rover collectoritus... Is it a v*rus? A gene mutation? A mental illness? I does seem to be highly contagious...whatever it is. A perfectly normal person buys a new Rover 4X4 and within five years owns more Rover 4X4s than he can park on his property. Scary. Tom has four, Ben has four, Eric I think has three, Nick is down to five, I've lost track of how many Jeremy has. Three or more LRs are becoming the Norm. Scary I've even occasionally found myself thinking about adding a IIB, or a concourse IIA ambulance for the lawn leak circuit, or building a RR Dakar based short range trail rig. So far I have managed to channel those urges into additional modifications to my class B RV. Whatever Land Rover Collectoritus is, it is a truly scary thing TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. ------- End of Forwarded Message From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 11:59:55 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12673 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:59:55 -0500 Date: 15 Mar 2000 08:59:51 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org X-Sender: web79245@dreamlab.cc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: An Open Invitation to join me on... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >On 14 Mar 2000, Michael Slade wrote: > >> I'll have my cell phone on the entire week, and believe it or not, coverage >> (I hear) is pretty good. > >You heard correctly. We are able to get a strong signal on our cell phone >in most places in southern Utah. In many of those places, we cannot get >even a weak signal on our AM or FM radios (night is a different story for >the AM). I am surprised at the coverage when we are 30 miles form the >nearest paved road. > >Our phone is a full power bag phone, though, so your reception may vary. > >James Thanks James, that's good to know. I was planning on taking the Sat. phone just in case, but the coverage sounds pretty adequate for where I'll be. Want to take some time off and hook up? Later, Michael Slade Portland, Oregon www.DreamLab.cc From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 12:23:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12734 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:23:21 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:20:43 -0800 Subject: Re: heater history? Message-ID: <20000315.092309.-141911.12.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-4,6-9,11-45 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I think it's more if an "as applicable" thing: my '62 109 regular once had the shin burner in it (the hose holes/mounting holes are in the right place for it), but now uses a Smiths aftermarket jobbie mounted in the passengers' footwell. (VERY INEFFECTIVE!) The other one you have may have a flat metal bar that wraps halfway around the core: this is what TR-3's had to mount them. Charles On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:42:14 -0800 john hess writes: > HI, > > I need some info from folks who have a shin burner heater in his or > her truck. Stubby is a series 2 88. He has a shin burner heater > that mounts to the bulkhead with 3 bolts. These three bolts are > double ended; one end goes through the firewall and nuts inside the > > engine compartment secure the motor. The other end is also threaded > > and nuts secure the heater housing to the motor. > > I have a spare heater that is different; it is stored away and I > don't know how it attaches, but the real question is: is the three > bolt heater to bulkhead attachment system only used on series 2? or > > is it series 2 and early series 2a or all series 2 and 2a? > > I am trying to get my motor fixed, but would gladly welcome offers > of > "new" heaters or motors. > > Thanks, > > > John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us > Land Rover Dormobile web pages: > http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html > 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" > 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 12:23:15 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12729 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:23:15 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:22:04 -0800 Subject: Re: OT: careers Message-ID: <20000315.092309.-141911.13.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-40 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Marin does video probuction for Boeing - technically that counts? (same field) On the LRO list, Adrian Redmond works for Channel 6 TV in Denmark. Charles On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:36:55 -0800 Bob Frey writes: > We've had lots of cross associations on the list on the past such as > motorcycle ownership, firearms, programmers etc. Anyone besides > Mehdi, > Lou and myself involved in television production? > > > on 3/15/00 2:30 AM Lou Weinert wrote: > > >Yeah, that was me. I was going to Varitel at 1 Union for an evening > > >telecine. I'm in that area fairly irregularly (lots of > post-production > >houses) and often notice your 110 there. I was running late (as > usual), but > >saw your 109. After all I've read about it, I was glad to see you > driving it > >to work. Too bad I couldn't get a closer look. Maybe one of these > days we'll > >actually get on the trail with some of the members- I'm dying > here!! > > > Bob Frey > > '65 Series IIA 88 "Chug" > > > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 13:28:10 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12781 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:28:10 -0500 Message-ID: <033e01bf8ea6$70599e60$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: <20000315.092309.-141911.13.cirvin1258@juno.com> Subject: Re: OT: careers Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:46:46 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > Lou and myself involved in television production? I talk back to the tv all the time as I am working out of my home office...... Probably not the same thing though eh? From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 13:47:01 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12796 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:47:01 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Rose, Randy" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: careers Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:46:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just the industrial sort, single camera, mostly scientific oriented stuff. We just got an Avid in December, but I barely up on it. My responsibility is to keep the stuff running and engineering. And then there's ribbon microphones... Daytime ego: Randy Rose California Institute of Technology Audio Visual Services (626)395-3840 rsrose@caltech.edu -----Original Message----- From: Bob Frey [mailto:frey@pvr.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 7:37 AM To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: OT: careers We've had lots of cross associations on the list on the past such as motorcycle ownership, firearms, programmers etc. Anyone besides Mehdi, Lou and myself involved in television production? on 3/15/00 2:30 AM Lou Weinert wrote: >Yeah, that was me. I was going to Varitel at 1 Union for an evening >telecine. I'm in that area fairly irregularly (lots of post-production >houses) and often notice your 110 there. I was running late (as usual), but >saw your 109. After all I've read about it, I was glad to see you driving it >to work. Too bad I couldn't get a closer look. Maybe one of these days we'll >actually get on the trail with some of the members- I'm dying here!! Bob Frey '65 Series IIA 88 "Chug" From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 13:50:19 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12807 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:50:19 -0500 From: "Shannon Holland" To: Subject: RE: (D90) rear bumper Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:50:10 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <200003142318.PAA07488@proxy2.ba.best.com> Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was very happy with my Safari Gard rear bumper until I discovered how they performed in a higher speed impact (around 15-20mph). I think they're excellent in terms of off road clearance and handling small bumps into rocks, etc. But when you get a little more of an impact there, they do a very poor job of spreading the impact. In my case, the impact (a tree - I was not the driver :( ) was at the very end of the right rear bumper. The rear frame member bent at the left edge of the bumperette. This pushed in all the body panels about a foot - very, very expensive to replace. What I would like to see is a low profile bumper such as the Safari Gard that covered the entire rear of the vehicle. This may have helped spread the load of the impact in my case (of course, it may also have bent the frame). Shannon > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org > [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org]On Behalf Of Tom Walsh > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 3:17 PM > To: d90@onelist.com > Cc: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: (D90) rear bumper > > > I am looking for opinions on D90 rear bumper options... > Specifically, > I'd like to use the Brittish Pacific/Task outfitters rear jamboree > rack, along with either the SG rear bumper or Rover accesories or > Desert Rover bumperette thingies.... > all input is useful, I'd specifically like to here from folks who > have the rack in some configuration.. > > Thanks > *---------*---------* > "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1642.. LandRovers > Live Free Or Die > tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 13:52:20 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12818 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:52:20 -0500 Message-ID: <38CFDEDA.E6461367@ski.org> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:04:58 -0800 From: John Brabyn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Holland & Holland References: <200003150029.QAA08599@proxy2.ba.best.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Congratulations Tom!! Cheers John Tom Walsh wrote: > Mums the word... > but I just verbally ( to be followed tomorrow by officially ) secured > the one open slot San Jose LR has for the Holland & Holland Range > Rover ( 125 total units ) .... This will be for a siginificant other ( IE: wife ) > She doesn't know, lets keep it that way :) > It hopefully will arrive in a month or two... which is way earlier > than the beemer will ever arrive!!!! ( and maybe she will like it > enough... that we all can drive Land Rovers instead, or she can drive > it *till* it shows up, then I'll be *forced* to drive it ) .. > ( plus,... she's eyeing my yellow D90!!!!!! with statements about > how good she'd look in it with the top down!!! ) > > So there isn't much info to be had on these things beyond an external > photo I got from the dealer yesterday and a poor quality photo I > found in a truck magazine... > So if ya surf accross any, leme know.... > Hell, it *doesn't* come with a holland and holland hunting shotgun! :( > TomW > *---------*---------* > "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1642.. LandRovers > Live Free Or Die > tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 14:08:17 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12840 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:08:17 -0500 From: "Paul Archibald" To: "mendo rec list" Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:08:15 GMT Subject: Re: heater history? X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <38cfdf9f.7335.0@jps.net> X-User-Info: 216.49.48.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John, Elgie, The '66 IIA has an old leaking shin-burner, while The African a '60 II has a ??regular?? smiths with the air intake ducting routed through the right inner-fender and picks up just to the side of the breakfast.... Surely the '58 II had signs of once having a shin-burner, but had nothing when she arrrived in the US Paul >HI, > >I need some info from folks who have a shin burner heater in his or >her truck. Stubby is a series 2 88. He has a shin burner heater >that mounts to the bulkhead with 3 bolts. These three bolts are >double ended; one end goes through the firewall and nuts inside the >engine compartment secure the motor. The other end is also threaded >and nuts secure the heater housing to the motor. > >I have a spare heater that is different; it is stored away and I >don't know how it attaches, but the real question is: is the three >bolt heater to bulkhead attachment system only used on series 2? or >is it series 2 and early series 2a or all series 2 and 2a? > >I am trying to get my motor fixed, but would gladly welcome offers of >"new" heaters or motors. > >Thanks, > > >John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us >Land Rover Dormobile web pages: >http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html >1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" >1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 14:27:39 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12858 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:27:39 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:14:44 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: An Open Invitation to join me on... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On 15 Mar 2000, Michael Slade wrote: > Want to take some time off and hook up? Sure. All I have to do is find someone to take my fracture mechanics exam on Wednesday, and I will be there! One more semester to go, and I will no longer have school interfering with my Rover life. James From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 15:11:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12890 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:11:37 -0500 From: StevHutch@aol.com Message-ID: <3a.28558bc.26014851@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:10:57 EST Subject: Comments.. To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 39 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I am not sure if this will get flamed or not... But, is it really necessary to attach the entire previous email that you are replying to folks...(and usually all the counter-responses too..) Often it's just a single thought or portion of the email that you are really replying to taht needs to be included for claritys sake..(just the proj. mgr. in my trying to make things more efficent I guess) I really enjoy reading/participating in this mail list , but it can take so much time with all the re-posts... End of Rant... - Steve Hutchins ' that guy with the strained mouse-wheel finger' From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 15:35:32 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12910 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:35:32 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000315123231.0080c560@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:32:31 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: heater history? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi John, I have a spare shinburner that will likely go into the 51 someday but looks like it will probably leak. It came out of Olivia a 65-88 when I put in a Kodiak that came out of a 63-88 rusty New Yorker. It mounts with the three bolts also. The Kodiak mounts on the right side and blows through the holes that are there for RHD pedals. I believe I've seen the shinburners in MG's and maybe even Triumphs.And I know I've seen them in S-1's Bob B At 07:42 AM 3/15/2000 -0800, you wrote: >HI, > >I need some info from folks who have a shin burner heater in his or >her truck. Stubby is a series 2 88. He has a shin burner heater >that mounts to the bulkhead with 3 bolts. These three bolts are >double ended; one end goes through the firewall and nuts inside the >engine compartment secure the motor. The other end is also threaded >and nuts secure the heater housing to the motor. > >I have a spare heater that is different; it is stored away and I >don't know how it attaches, but the real question is: is the three >bolt heater to bulkhead attachment system only used on series 2? or >is it series 2 and early series 2a or all series 2 and 2a? > >I am trying to get my motor fixed, but would gladly welcome offers of >"new" heaters or motors. > >Thanks, > > >John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us >Land Rover Dormobile web pages: >http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html >1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" >1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 15:39:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12931 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:39:21 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000315123616.0080c510@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:36:16 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: Netscape Question (No LR Content) In-Reply-To: <38CEC075.82492FBD@earthlink.net> References: <00a401bf8d79$ef945c20$ae051fd1@BlairPC> <38CE8F31.6B9BC61B@ski.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Frank, I don't really know that much about Netscape, but if it was compressing something and you stopped it, then it was probably compressing what you lost! The time you stopped it and you didn't lose anything, then it must have been done by the time you stopped it. BTW I had to get a new version of Netscape after New Year, and it crashes a lot. The old one didn't. So we've been using MS Internet Explorer. Bob B At 02:43 PM 3/14/2000 -0800, you wrote: >A question for someone who may be knowledgeable about Netscape. > >Yesterday I "lost" the mail in my inbox for Sunday and Monday. All prior >messages appear intact. This has never happened in the many years I >have used Netscape (currently using Communicator 4.7). Deleted messages >in the Trash were still there. > >When I exit the program there is a compression of the files and I had >interrupted it on exiting. Could this have caused the latest files in >my Inbox to disappear? (Altho I think I've done that before without any >dire consequence.) > >Thanks for any help. > >Frank > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 15:45:32 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12950 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:45:32 -0500 Message-ID: <20000315201714.22899.qmail@nwcst292.netaddress.usa.net> Date: 15 Mar 00 13:17:14 MST From: jjp4 To: Subject: non rover (call sign) X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.4.0.33) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by moab.off-road.com id MAA01335 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry to post this here. Could someone guide/tell me where I can get/register for a ham call sign? I passed the Tech test (hangover and all)and need to acquire one before I can get on the air. I checked out the FCC web page, it doesn't seem to be very friendly. Thank You ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 15:52:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12967 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:52:25 -0500 Message-ID: <38CFF866.73D0133B@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:53:58 -0800 From: "Franklin H. Yap" X-Sender: "Franklin H. Yap" <@mail.earthlink.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-FLASHNET (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: non rover (call sign) References: <20000315201714.22899.qmail@nwcst292.netaddress.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org jjp4 wrote: > > Sorry to post this here. Could someone guide/tell me where I can get/register > for a ham call sign? You get the call sign after you pass the test. Frank From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 15:57:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12995 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:57:00 -0500 Message-ID: <38CFF976.9AF2149A@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:58:30 -0800 From: "Franklin H. Yap" X-Sender: "Franklin H. Yap" <@mail.earthlink.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-FLASHNET (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Netscape Question (No LR Content) References: <00a401bf8d79$ef945c20$ae051fd1@BlairPC> <38CE8F31.6B9BC61B@ski.org> <3.0.6.32.20000315123616.0080c510@mail.saber.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bob & Sue Bernard wrote: > > I don't really know that much about Netscape, but if it was compressing > something and you stopped it, then it was probably compressing what you lost! I turned off the auto compress and hopefully won't have any more problems. > > BTW I had to get a new version of Netscape after New Year, and it crashes a > lot. The old one didn't. > So we've been using MS Internet Explorer. > You're right, an earlier version crashed a lot. I'm using 4.7 and it doesn't crash nearly as often. Frank From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 17:34:33 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13069 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:34:33 -0500 Message-ID: <0560141A7916D211A64A00A0C9C9A8150248F661@nwms15.chinalake.navy.mil> From: "Minnick, Kelly T" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Pelican cases Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:33:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org http://www.caseman.com/index.html They sell Pelican cases (prices listed on web site) http://www.justcases.com/ http://www.customcases.com/ http://www.usinternetsales.com/ http://www.bhphotovideo.com/photo/bags/pelican/intro.html $185 for Pelican 1750 (50"). From B & H camera! - Cheapest so far... And of course... http://pelican.com/main.htm Kelly Minnick NAWCWD 478200D 1 Administration Circle China Lake, CA 93555-6100 Phone: (760) 939-7647, DSN 437-7647 Fax: (760) 939-7708, DSN 437-7708 Email: MinnickKT@navair.navy.mil From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 17:36:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13082 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:36:29 -0500 Message-ID: <0560141A7916D211A64A00A0C9C9A8150248F664@nwms15.chinalake.navy.mil> From: "Minnick, Kelly T" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: WEB search utility Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:35:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thought some of you might find this useful. YMMV http://www.ferretsoft.com/netferret/index.html Very good Shareware Web search utility. Kelly Minnick NAWCWD 478200D 1 Administration Circle China Lake, CA 93555-6100 Phone: (760) 939-7647, DSN 437-7647 Fax: (760) 939-7708, DSN 437-7708 Email: MinnickKT@navair.navy.mil From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 17:48:14 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13094 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:48:14 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CD870@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: WEB search utility Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:51:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > http://www.ferretsoft.com/netferret/index.html > Very good Shareware Web search utility. > I'll second that. Been using the freeware version for years. Love it for high speed, high volume searches. -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 17:50:58 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13105 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:50:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200003152250.OAA01948@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: fwd: sighting Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:50:56 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [Majordomo didn't like that the message was in ASCII and HTML -Ben ] ------- Forwarded Message From: "Fil Figueroa" To: "mendo_list" Subject: sighting Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:11:51 -0800 Paul wrote: Elgie, The '66 IIA has an old leaking shin-burner, while The African a = '60 II has a ??regular?? smiths with the air intake ducting routed through the = right inner-fender and picks up just to the side of the breakfast.... Surely the '58 II had signs of once having a shin-burner, but had = nothing when she arrrived in the US >> Paul, any of your series LR painted orange(faded), saw one on Cedar and Decoto = in Freakmont, it has a spare in the tail, safari roof cheers, Fil ------- End of Forwarded Message From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 19:15:48 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13204 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:15:48 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:12:19 -0800 Subject: Re: Mojave trail trip this upcoming weekend Message-ID: <20000315.161557.-141911.17.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org BTW: Is there a CB channel to monitor??? Charles "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 19:25:10 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13226 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:25:10 -0500 From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Cool Land-Rover Screen Saver Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:24:58 -0800 Message-ID: <000001bf8ede$0ffbb020$9672a8c0@gbp.dot.co.mendocino.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I found a pretty cool Land-Rover screen saver today on the Tucows site. The direct URL to the download is http://exp.themes.tucows.com/savers/screens/vehicles/land_rover4dl.htm It's mostly Series I Land-Rovers, most of them highly modified. Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 19:48:23 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13250 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:48:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200003160048.QAA02247@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave trail trip this upcoming weekend In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:12:19 PST." <20000315.161557.-141911.17.cirvin1258@juno.com> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:48:21 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <20000315.161557.-141911.17.cirvin1258@juno.com>you wrote: > Is there a CB channel to monitor??? Mendo uses channel 7. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 19:50:05 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13260 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:50:05 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:49:57 -0800 (PST) From: Alexander George Cooper Message-Id: <200003160049.QAA07900@saga8.Stanford.EDU> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Q for Kevin on RR seat switches article Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kevin, It looks like I will need to work on my RR's seat switches in the very near future. If you need pictures for your article I would be happy to take a few during the procedure. Alexander From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 20:06:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13278 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:06:04 -0500 From: CHRISBONIN@aol.com Message-ID: <88.190519b.26018d44@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:05:08 EST Subject: Re: Q for Kevin on RR seat switches article To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 68 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kevin, Is this article complete? I am having the same issue with my seat switches. Thanks in advance Chris 88RR Moosedaddy From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 20:33:11 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13361 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:33:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200003160133.RAA02435@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Fwd: Re: RE: Holland & Holland Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:33:06 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [Majordomo blocks the v*rus word. -Ben] ------- Forwarded Message From: "Nick C. Baggarly" To: Subject: Re: RE: Holland & Holland Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:35:38 -0600 TAW said, > Land Rover collectoritus... Is it a v*rus? A gene mutation? A mental > illness? I does seem to be highly contagious...whatever it is. > > A perfectly normal person buys a new Rover 4X4 and within five years owns > more Rover 4X4s than he can park on his property. Scary. Tom has four, >Ben has four, Eric I think has three, Nick is down to five, I've lost track of >how many Jeremy has. Three or more LRs are becoming the Norm. Scary I worked for an antiv*rus company for five years and couldn't find the cure when I stumbled upon it!. After getting married a year ago I'm down 50%. It's in remission now but not completely wiped out and still highly contagious. Nick ------- End of Forwarded Message From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 20:44:13 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13437 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:44:13 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000315174105.00834100@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:41:05 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: RE: Holland & Holland In-Reply-To: <200003160133.RAA02435@blacker.gdbg.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 05:33 PM 3/15/2000 -0800, you wrote: >TAW said, >> Land Rover collectoritus... Is it a v*rus? A gene mutation? A mental >> illness? I does seem to be highly contagious...whatever it is. >> >> A perfectly normal person buys a new Rover 4X4 and within five years owns >> more Rover 4X4s than he can park on his property. Scary. Tom has four, >>Ben has four, Eric I think has three, Nick is down to five, I've lost >track of >>how many Jeremy has. Three or more LRs are becoming the Norm. Scary > Hi, I only have 3 plus parts now. But have had 5 plus parts at one time or another. Bob B >I worked for an antiv*rus company for five years and couldn't find the cure >when I stumbled upon it!. After getting married a year ago I'm down 50%. >It's in remission now but not completely wiped out and still highly >contagious. > >Nick > >------- End of Forwarded Message > > Bob Bernard Paradise,CA. 530-877-2749 69-88 "Sherman" Bob's, 65-88 "Olivia" Sue's, 51-80 "Axl"? Shop's From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 21:24:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13548 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:24:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000315123231.0080c560@mail.saber.net> References: <3.0.6.32.20000315123231.0080c560@mail.saber.net> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:21:42 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: john hess Subject: Re: heater history? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bob, Thanks for the info about the 3 bolt mounting. Anyone have any idea if Kodiaks were ever put in RHD trucks? Seems like they were only a North American market, hence LHD thing. cheers >Hi John, >I have a spare shinburner that will likely go into the 51 someday but looks >like it will probably leak. It came out of Olivia a 65-88 when I put in a >Kodiak that came out of a 63-88 rusty New Yorker. >It mounts with the three bolts also. The Kodiak mounts on the right side >and blows through the holes that are there for RHD pedals. John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 21:32:43 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13573 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:32:43 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000315182939.0083ea50@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:29:39 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: WEB search utility In-Reply-To: <0560141A7916D211A64A00A0C9C9A8150248F664@nwms15.chinalake. navy.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 02:35 PM 3/15/2000 -0800, you wrote: >Thought some of you might find this useful. YMMV > >http://www.ferretsoft.com/netferret/index.html >Very good Shareware Web search utility. > >Kelly Minnick Hi Kelly, Is this something to replace Netscape or I Explorer? Bob B From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 21:55:07 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13629 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:55:07 -0500 Message-ID: <38D04DB0.E02F1422@wenet.net> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:57:52 -0800 From: "Bruce R. Bonar" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: non rover (call sign) References: <20000315201714.22899.qmail@nwcst292.netaddress.usa.net> <38CFF866.73D0133B@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org jjp (or do you have a real name?), You're question is confusing. As Frank says, if you passed the test you will get a call sign from the FCC. Assuming you passed, which they would have told you when you took the test, the VE's submit the information to the FCC. Depending on how the information is submitted it will take anywhere from a day (if you took the test in Sunnyvale) to 3-4 weeks (if you took the test in San Rafael). Check http://www.qrz.com/new.html daily until your name shows up. Double check this, but I don't think you can tramsmit until you receive the actual license from the FCC. You do not get to select a vanity call sign until you reach an advance license level. Your call sign will be KG6*** if you are in California or another region 6 location. Give us a call when your get your ticket. Bruce KF6QBF (passed my General License test on Saturday) "Franklin H. Yap" wrote: > jjp4 wrote: > > > > Sorry to post this here. Could someone guide/tell me where I can get/register > > for a ham call sign? > > You get the call sign after you pass the test. > > Frank From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 22:00:58 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13662 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:00:58 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000315185900.006c9174@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:59:00 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Re: Q for Kevin on RR seat switches article In-Reply-To: <88.190519b.26018d44@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org For those who are having seat switch problems and read Kevin's article, I'll add another data point. Melanie put the driver's seat forward and I was not able to get it back at all. It's been cranky for a long time. I had a mechanice take it apart and clean it once and it lasted for a little while but not long before acting up again. This time I just popped the buttons off, removed the lid and diaphagm, and sprayed profusely with electronic cleaner from Radio Shack. Let it dry, tried it, and it worked like a charm. We'll see for how long! Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 22:10:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13690 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:10:27 -0500 Message-ID: <38D0514A.2D6B89D@wenet.net> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:13:14 -0800 From: "Bruce R. Bonar" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re:TeriAnn's Dad's Holland & Holland References: <200003151447.GAA07955@blackie.cruzers.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So where is this family heirloom now? Hopefully it was kept in the family. I assume this was a "magazine rifle", what we would call a bolt action? If so it is probably worth a little less than a double rifle or shotgun. None the less they are awork of art and precision craftsmanship to be treasured for generations. Bruce TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > I grew up with a Holland & Holland 300 Magnium in the house (My Dad's > hunting rifle). It was a well cared for tool my Dad used to feed his > family (I grew up eating venison and elk instead of beef and pork). > > It never occured to me that his rifle could be worth anywhere near what > you guys are saying. Amazing From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 22:13:18 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13701 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:13:18 -0500 From: SFmms@aol.com Message-ID: <7f.1c7da8c.2601ab2a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:12:42 EST Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #78 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Nick wrote: << I can't afford it, but I would rather see it go to a good Landy home, then to another SoCal Yuppie who will never take it off-road. >> Me either, but it would be interesting on how much they ask for it given the locale and clientele. Karen Sindir - wanting to start a good home for orphan Land Rovers, no one turned away :) '74 SIII 88 - Red Rufy '95 Disco EFE '66 SIIa 88 - still working on a name From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 22:16:03 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13724 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:16:03 -0500 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:15:18 EST Subject: Re: non rover (call sign) To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/15/00 7:56:23 PM US Mountain Standard Time, brbonar@wenet.net writes: << Double check this, but I don't think you can tramsmit until you receive the actual license from the FCC. >> Very true. Can't go until you get that callsign. Hopefully, your VE's will use the electronic registration system and the callsign will be issued soon. I took the general about 3 weeks ago and my info still hasn't been updated! <> Hmm..... I'm not sure about this. I was a tech when I got K1LRO. The out-of-zone has caused a lot of grief so I've applied to change it to K7LRO. I just got back from three days out-of-town. OK...... I was in Las Vegas with my daughter on a trip that we had planned months ago. I sent John Hong a message but didn't hear from him. Too bad, I wanted to see his collection. I also found that I really don't care for Las Vegas although we did see Lance Burton who Robyn really enjoyed! LR content: saw lots o' coilers and 0 Series in Las Vegas. Cheers, Gerry PHX AZ From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 22:37:54 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13743 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:37:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200003160336.TAA23506@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:34:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: heater history? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John, I never used the one I bought from you.. I'm sure we could work something out if its what you want TomW *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1642.. LandRovers tax evasion is a crime, tax avoidance is your right! tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 23:02:01 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA13761 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:02:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200003160400.UAA13521@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:58:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: RE: Holland & Holland X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > At 05:33 PM 3/15/2000 -0800, you wrote: > >TAW said, > >> Land Rover collectoritus... Is it a v*rus? A gene mutation? A mental > >> illness? I does seem to be highly contagious...whatever it is. > >> > >> A perfectly normal person buys a new Rover 4X4 and within five years owns > >> more Rover 4X4s than he can park on his property. TAW, You've got it all wrong!!!!! Theres 1200 acres up here! Plenty of room! TomW >>> Scary. Tom has four, > >>Ben has four, Eric I think has three, Nick is down to five, I've lost > >track of > >>how many Jeremy has. Three or more LRs are becoming the Norm. Scary > > > Hi, > I only have 3 plus parts now. > But have had 5 plus parts at one time or another. > > Bob B > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I worked for an antiv*rus company for five years and couldn't find the cure > >when I stumbled upon it!. After getting married a year ago I'm down 50%. > >It's in remission now but not completely wiped out and still highly > >contagious. > > > >Nick > > > >------- End of Forwarded Message > > > > > Bob Bernard > Paradise,CA. 530-877-2749 > 69-88 "Sherman" Bob's, 65-88 "Olivia" Sue's, 51-80 "Axl"? Shop's > > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1642.. LandRovers tax evasion is a crime, tax avoidance is your right! tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 23:17:12 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA13781 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:17:12 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Holland & Holland Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:25:30 -0800 Message-ID: <000401bf8eff$a9784760$b305193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <200003151447.GAA07955@blackie.cruzers.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org They have never been a 'cheap' gun! Just now in vogue Kelly Minnick > > > It never occurred to me that his rifle could be worth anywhere near what > you guys are saying. Amazing > > > > > TeriAnn > http://www.overlander.net > > The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners > with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 23:26:24 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA13794 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:26:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200003160424.UAA16937@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:22:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: rims CC: d90@onelist.com X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Does anyone know where to get these rims?? http://www.britishpacific.com/icaweb/britpac.nsf/19cc8d43361aaabe88256350081a77e/9b4201f0ac1ee0ef8825684200797323?OpenDocument or : another similar 15 or 16" rim How about beadlocks? Yellowdefender.com shows some carbon fiber jobbers, but they are NOT highway safe I guess? any other alternatives? What does it take for lift to 36( or 35" tires) inch swampers under the beast??? Thanks ( yes drivetrain will be beefed ) TomW... PS:D90 listers I just unsubbed digest and re-subbed realtime... please CC: tomw@best.com till I know it takes... thanks *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1642.. LandRovers tax evasion is a crime, tax avoidance is your right! tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 23:38:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA13824 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:38:00 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Q for Kevin on RR seat switches article Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:46:15 -0800 Message-ID: <000501bf8f02$8fadc5a0$b305193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <88.190519b.26018d44@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Better yet, if we could all just ship Kevin our seat switches, he could service them all and get lots of photos/practice... What do you think, Kevin? I also have some door lock actuators that need replacing! Kelly Minnick > > > Kevin, > > Is this article complete? I am having the same issue with my > seat switches. > > Thanks in advance > > Chris > 88RR > Moosedaddy > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 23:38:09 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA13830 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:38:09 -0500 X-Server-Uuid: e5504406-6931-11d2-9014-00805f657af0 Message-ID: <839B335DA467D211AC1E00A0C922F85405714729@S010.MOFO.COM> From: "Nieto, Armando S., Jr." To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: rims Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:38:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) X-WSS-ID: 14CEBAC16471-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Tom, They look like my and yours for that matter stock disco rims (94-95-96) just painted /powder coated black. Or maybe I'm not seeing straight. Take care, Armando -----Original Message----- From: Tom Walsh [mailto:tomw@best.com] Sent: March 15, 2000 8:23 PM To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cc: d90@onelist.com Subject: rims Does anyone know where to get these rims?? http://www.britishpacific.com/icaweb/britpac.nsf/19cc8d43361aaabe88256350081 a77e/9b4201f0ac1ee0ef8825684200797323?OpenDocument or : another similar 15 or 16" rim How about beadlocks? Yellowdefender.com shows some carbon fiber jobbers, but they are NOT highway safe I guess? any other alternatives? What does it take for lift to 36( or 35" tires) inch swampers under the beast??? Thanks ( yes drivetrain will be beefed ) TomW... PS:D90 listers I just unsubbed digest and re-subbed realtime... please CC: tomw@best.com till I know it takes... thanks *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1642.. 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Thank you very much. ============================================================================ From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 23:41:39 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA13841 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:41:39 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: numerous LR products Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:49:57 -0800 Message-ID: <000601bf8f03$141a3940$b305193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000315174105.00834100@mail.saber.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Wow. I guess my wife doesn't know how good she has it! I do have the 96 Saab and BMW 2002 in the back yard. One with engine on engine stand and the other awaiting welding! And I'm looking at Mog projects again... Yes, there is a disease. It's not just LR's in my case. I must SAVE anything out there that once RAN... Kelly Minnick > > I only have 3 plus parts now. > But have had 5 plus parts at one time or another. > > Bob B From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 15 23:45:06 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA13860 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:45:06 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: WEB search utility Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:53:23 -0800 Message-ID: <000701bf8f03$8ee7e820$b305193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000315182939.0083ea50@mail.saber.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It uses all the search engines that are out there now (10 or 12) such as Hot Bot, Yahoo, excite, Netscape, Lycos, etc. It sorts and deletes like items, so you don't have to sift through tons of stuff... Copernic (found on Tucows) is another nice one. Much better than using just one search engine. Hope this helps. I think it is something like 600KB. Later, Kelly Minnick > > > > > >http://www.ferretsoft.com/netferret/index.html > >Very good Shareware Web search utility. > > > >Kelly Minnick > > Hi Kelly, > Is this something to replace Netscape or I Explorer? > > Bob B > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 16 00:29:36 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14411 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:29:36 -0500 Message-ID: <002d01bf8f08$98da0ac0$243377d8@delllap> From: "Paul Archibald" To: References: <200003152250.OAA01948@blacker.gdbg.org> Subject: Re: sighting Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:29:24 -0800 Organization: P. A. Design X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Nope! The african is really faded desert sand? and Elgie is bronze green. I havn't seen the one you mention yet....nice to see there is another in fremont. ;-) we are getting a few. Paul > Paul, > any of your series LR painted orange(faded), saw one on Cedar and Decoto = > in Freakmont, it has a spare in the tail, safari roof > > > cheers, > > Fil From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 16 00:29:57 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14421 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:29:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200003160528.VAA28088@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:26:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: WEB search utility X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org And all this time we thought you were a good surfer... with all those sites you post!!! Sheesh, just a posuer! TomW :) > It uses all the search engines that are out there now (10 or 12) such as Hot > Bot, Yahoo, excite, Netscape, Lycos, etc. It sorts and deletes like items, > so you don't have to sift through tons of stuff... Copernic (found on > Tucows) is another nice one. Much better than using just one search engine. > Hope this helps. I think it is something like 600KB. Later, > > Kelly Minnick > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.ferretsoft.com/netferret/index.html > > >Very good Shareware Web search utility. > > > > > >Kelly Minnick > > > > Hi Kelly, > > Is this something to replace Netscape or I Explorer? > > > > Bob B > > > > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1642.. LandRovers tax evasion is a crime, tax avoidance is your right! tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 16 01:19:57 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14565 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 01:19:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200003160618.WAA24788@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:16:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: rims X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Tom, > > They look like my and yours for that matter stock disco rims (94-95-96) just > painted /powder coated black. Or maybe I'm not seeing straight. > Well Armando, maybe I need the glasses! You're right... Where I'd put that paint! TomW *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1642.. LandRovers tax evasion is a crime, tax avoidance is your right! tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 16 01:21:20 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14576 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 01:21:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200003160621.WAA02995@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: fwd: Re: seat switch Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:21:18 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [This was bounced because the entire digest was appended at the end. Trimmed and resent. -Ben ] ------- Forwarded Message Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:08:15 -0500 From: Michael Samuels To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: seat switch my rr 89 seat stopped going back, I took the top off and sprayed contact cleaner into it, it worked, then stopped again, I sprayed more, and moved it, it works perfectly, then I sprayed a window switch that hasn't worked in years and now it works to, I think i will spray the whole car. This is the easiest and least expensive repair I have done yet. Michael Samuels 89rr a few series cars on www.oldrover.com ------- End of Forwarded Message From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 16 01:22:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14586 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 01:22:04 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:12:00 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Q for Kevin on RR seat switches article In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000315185900.006c9174@pacific.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, Granville Pool wrote: > This time I just popped the buttons off, removed the lid and diaphagm, and > sprayed profusely with electronic cleaner from Radio Shack. Let it dry, > tried it, and it worked like a charm. We'll see for how long! We did exactly that shortly after we bought ours, and it fixed it. 6 months later, the switch quit again, so we repeated the proceedure. It has been 3 years since then, and it the seats have been behaving all this time. Now that I have said that, how much you wanna bet that the switch will quit working tomorrow? That cleaner was called Tuner cleaner and it cost $10. James From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 16 01:30:05 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14598 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 01:30:05 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: WEB search utility Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:37:53 -0800 Message-ID: <000901bf8f12$286bcd00$b305193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <200003160528.VAA28088@proxy4.ba.best.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, some of the URL's are work related.(so I get PAID to find them). Maybe that's why I chose my line of work. That and I belong to too many 'e-mail clubs'! Later, Kelly Minnick > And all this time we thought you were a good surfer... with all those > sites you post!!! > > Sheesh, just a posuer! > > TomW :) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 16 01:33:41 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14609 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 01:33:41 -0500 From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Shinburners Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:42:14 -0800 Message-ID: <000f01bf8f13$238da820$ae051fd1@BlairPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John, Pershing (late '66 IIA, with some '67 components from the factory) has the three holes for the heater bolts. Have also seen some with sort-of Z-shaped brackets that went into three bulkhead slots. Not mine tho. If the motor is causing you problems, mail it to me and I'll volunteer to take it to RiteWay Electric in SF. They do a great job of rebuilding all sorts of automotive motors, dynamos, alternators, etc. They will charge $99 for doing the shinburner motor (I know because I asked them when I 'restored' the shinburner that I bought from Daniel recently-- turns out the motor was fine though so no need). Let me know. In Stubby, that shinburner will be great! It works ok in Pershing, but I have much more space to heat!! (keeps the windshield clear and my shins warm-- what else do I want???). Cheers. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 16 01:33:57 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14619 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 01:33:57 -0500 From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Mendo aerial recce Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:16:28 -0800 Message-ID: <001601bf8f13$2d47e420$ae051fd1@BlairPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Flying to Seattle today I got a great view of Mendo environs. Goat Mtn is well and truly snow capped. Area immediately around Letts Lake looked clear of snow, but the northern exposure flank of Goat Mtn (vicinity of Cedar Camp) was showing a fair amount of white under the trees. Could clearly make out the Potato Hill 4x4 alternate route to the M10 (looks like fun even from flight level 320). If I'd had a map with me (and if the pilot had cut it back a couple hundred knots to loiter) it would have been a great opportunity to solve Granny and John B's dilemma of Lovelady Ridge and the case of the missing M5. Cheers. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 16 01:35:57 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14634 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 01:35:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200003160635.WAA28034@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:33:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: WEB search utility X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org PS: I'm kidding You do come up with some gems! TomW > Well, some of the URL's are work related.(so I get PAID to find them). Maybe > that's why I chose my line of work. That and I belong to too many 'e-mail > clubs'! Later, > > Kelly Minnick > > > > And all this time we thought you were a good surfer... with all those > > sites you post!!! > > > > Sheesh, just a posuer! > > > > TomW :) > > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1642.. LandRovers tax evasion is a crime, tax avoidance is your right! tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 16 02:11:38 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14655 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 02:11:38 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Re: seat switch Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:19:55 -0800 Message-ID: <000b01bf8f18$074c6f20$b305193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <200003160621.WAA02995@blacker.gdbg.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Maybe I should spray it on my engine... Kelly Minnick > > Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:08:15 -0500 > From: Michael Samuels > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: Re: seat switch > > my rr 89 seat stopped going back, I took the top off and sprayed > contact cleaner into > it, it worked, then stopped again, I sprayed more, and moved it, > it works perfectly, > then I sprayed a window switch that hasn't worked in years and > now it works to, I think > i will spray the whole car. This is the easiest and least > expensive repair I have done > yet. > > Michael Samuels > 89rr > a few series cars on www.oldrover.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 16 02:15:05 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14666 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 02:15:05 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: WEB search utility Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:23:22 -0800 Message-ID: <000c01bf8f18$82f2cac0$b305193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <200003160635.WAA28034@proxy4.ba.best.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I know you're kidding. I WASN'T kidding about testing the D90's bumper out for you... :) Kelly Minnick > PS: I'm kidding > > You do come up with some gems! > > TomW From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 16 02:45:03 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14685 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 02:45:03 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.20000315234220.037145d0@mail.halcyon.com> X-Sender: clarkebw@mail.halcyon.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:44:56 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Clarke Williams Subject: RE: Holland & Holland In-Reply-To: <000401bf8eff$a9784760$b305193f@minnick> References: <200003151447.GAA07955@blackie.cruzers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 08:25 PM 15-03-00 -0800, you wrote: >They have never been a 'cheap' gun! Just now in vogue > >Kelly Minnick > What are you folks smoking? Rifles and shotguns manufactured by Holland & Holland have been extremely valuable for many, many years. I expect that TeriAnn's father's rifle is CHAMBERED for the .300 H&H Magnum, rather than of H&H manufacture. If it is actually made by the firm of H&H, it is more than merely valuable. Clarke Williams From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 16 09:03:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15127 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:03:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200003161408.GAA15085@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: Mojave trail trip this upcoming weekend Date: Thu, 16 Mar 00 06:08:48 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >BTW: > >Is there a CB channel to monitor??? 7 as always TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 16 09:15:38 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15153 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:15:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200003161420.GAA15360@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: Mojave trail trip this upcoming weekend Date: Thu, 16 Mar 00 06:20:55 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >> Is there a CB channel to monitor??? > > Mendo uses channel 7. > So do "not-a-trips", so does the Triumph Travelers Sports car club If it is British car related think 7... TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 16 09:53:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15278 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:53:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200003161458.GAA16581@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re:TeriAnn's Dad's Holland & Holland Date: Thu, 16 Mar 00 06:58:21 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >So where is this family heirloom now? Hopefully it was kept in the family. Actually I do not have a clue. I had not thought of the rifle in many years. My step father owned the H&H 300 when my mom married him in '57. He had one son of his own from an earlier marriage but I don't know anyone in the family who hunts. I assume my Mom kept it when he died because of all his possessions I think that was the one he treasured the most. But she married someone who took her for everything my step dad left her then skipped out when everything was gone. So it may have disappeared with all the money, the house and everything else. > >I assume this was a "magazine rifle", what we would call a bolt action? Yes it was bolt action > None >the less they are awork of art and precision craftsmanship to be treasured >for generations. If my Mom still has it, I suspect it will go to my nephew. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 16 09:55:52 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15297 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:55:52 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000316065101.00835960@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 06:51:01 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: Mojave trail trip this upcoming weekend In-Reply-To: <200003161420.GAA15360@blackie.cruzers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The Pair-o-Dice Four Wheelers also use ch-7 and if it gets too busy they go to the back up Ch-11. There is a motor mouth out around I-5 on Ch-7 who really gets to be a pain sometimes. Bob B At 06:20 AM 3/16/2000 -0800, you wrote: >>> Is there a CB channel to monitor??? >> >> Mendo uses channel 7. >> >So do "not-a-trips", so does the Triumph Travelers Sports car club > >If it is British car related think 7... > > > >TeriAnn > http://www.overlander.net > > The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners > with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 16 10:11:09 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15357 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:11:09 -0500 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1000315073607.a1255f.26f36e02.ASIP6.2b6.49747@smtp.pvr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 07:06:42 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Russ Wilson Subject: Re: OT: careers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >We've had lots of cross associations on the list on the past such as >motorcycle ownership, firearms, programmers etc. Anyone besides Mehdi, >Lou and myself involved in television production? My wife is a producer for a cable network here in L.A.. Does that count? Russ and Leslie Wilson "Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains." -Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 16 10:23:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15384 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:23:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200003161528.HAA17923@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: RE: Holland & Holland Date: Thu, 16 Mar 00 07:28:16 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I expect that TeriAnn's father's rifle is CHAMBERED for the .300 H&H >Magnum, rather than of H&H manufacture. If it is actually made by the >firm of H&H, it is more than merely valuable. Well we will probably never know for certain. I know he purchased it in the early fifties and was making good money for those times. He always referred to it as the H&H 300 and once said the stock was fitted to him when the rife was made. But the last time I saw the rifle was 1966. He also had a Springfield model 1862 and a stainless steel double barreled shotgun with lots and lots of intricate scrolling that he got from his father. My mother had a Winchester 270. Even though her tags were always used I do not think she ever killed a deer or elk with it. I think she went along carrying the rifle so my dad could use two people's worth of tags...for the California coastal season, inland season. Oregon, Montana, Utah and Colorado seasons. We ate a lot of meat and almost none of it was beef or pork. Then my sister and I shared a Winchester tube feed, bolt action 22. We were taught to shoot at around 10 years old. It killed a lot of cans. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.shadow-catcher.net <- Photography for sale http://www.overlander.net <- Web directory for Land Rover http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman <- My personal web site "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 16 11:01:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15431 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:01:08 -0500 Date: 16 Mar 2000 08:00:41 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com X-Sender: web79245@dreamlab.cc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: ARB bushing failure (again) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, In preperation for my upcoming adventure in utah I decided to take care of a bushing 'clunk' and replace the radius arm to body bushings last night. It rained .05 of an inch yesterday, most of it while we were working on the car outside at about 10PM. I'm sure you've all been there, so I won't explain the amount of misery it was. Anyway, this is the second time I've seen OME bushings fail in that particular location. The first set actually cracked and split along the narrow shoulder that sits inside the frame eyelet and allowd the arm to bang against the frame. This time the inner shoulder was seperating along the lip of the shoulder, with a crack that went around the entire bushing right where the narrow portion widened up to the wide portion (at the base of the L-shape 90degree). I replaced them with factory rubber bushings and the clunk and sloppyness is gone. this is after about 15K miles after my front axle swap that i did last labor day at the portland field meet. So, if any coil-owning ARB-bushing-using owners are experiencing a 'clunk' when turning right or left, or on a sudden suspension move, check those bushings when you can. The damage might not be evident, but that's probably what it is. A LR technician and I incorrectly diagnosed a damaged CV joint that was causing the clunk, so we pulled them and inspected them. When replacing the bushings I noticed that's where the mystery clunk was coming from. Just my .02 cents again... Michael Slade Portland, Oregon www.DreamLab.cc From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 16 11:36:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15581 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:36:29 -0500 Message-ID: <0560141A7916D211A64A00A0C9C9A8150248F906@nwms15.chinalake.navy.mil> From: "Minnick, Kelly T" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Cc: "Kelly Minnick (E-mail 2)" Subject: WEB calendar creator Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:35:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org http://anduin.eldar.org/~ben/happen/html/soft/9.html I don't know if this is any good, but thought we might be able to use it for a Mendo calendar? Kelly Minnick NAWCWD 478200D 1 Administration Circle China Lake, CA 93555-6100 Phone: (760) 939-7647, DSN 437-7647 Fax: (760) 939-7708, DSN 437-7708 Email: MinnickKT@navair.navy.mil From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 16 11:43:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15606 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:43:21 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000316084020.00841dd0@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:40:20 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: roadless areas Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, Here's a site to read about some of the roadless issues going on. http://roadless.fs.fed.us/ Bob B From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 16 14:08:47 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15896 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:08:47 -0500 Message-ID: <38D13437.89E08403@ski.org> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:21:27 -0800 From: John Brabyn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Q for Kevin on RR seat switches article References: <88.190519b.26018d44@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yes, Kevin has kindly sent it on and I have published it at http://www.rangerovers.net/rrepairs.htm#seatswitch Alexander -- any pictures would be great!! Cheers John Brabyn http://www.rangerovers.net CHRISBONIN@aol.com wrote: > Kevin, > > Is this article complete? I am having the same issue with my seat switches. > > Thanks in advance > > Chris > 88RR > Moosedaddy From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 16 14:12:07 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15910 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:12:07 -0500 Message-ID: <38D13501.83D2ACD3@ski.org> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:24:49 -0800 From: John Brabyn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Q for Kevin on RR seat switches article References: <3.0.1.32.20000315185900.006c9174@pacific.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If anyone finds that the switch cleaning is not enough of a cure, you might try buying new switches (ouch) which have a nice little rubber sheet in them under the controls to stop dirt getting in. Those ones seem to last better in my experience. It would be nice if the little rubber seal was available separately -- but I don't think it is. If anyone finds a source let me know. Or, make your own! Cheers John Granville Pool wrote: > For those who are having seat switch problems and read Kevin's article, > I'll add another data point. Melanie put the driver's seat forward and I > was not able to get it back at all. It's been cranky for a long time. I > had a mechanice take it apart and clean it once and it lasted for a little > while but not long before acting up again. > > This time I just popped the buttons off, removed the lid and diaphagm, and > sprayed profusely with electronic cleaner from Radio Shack. Let it dry, > tried it, and it worked like a charm. We'll see for how long! > > Cheers, > > Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 16 14:36:36 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15939 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:36:36 -0500 Message-ID: <000201bf8f7f$1db6c8c0$7500000a@kklaptop> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: More on RR Power Seats Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:03:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Granny wrote: >This time I just popped the buttons off, removed the lid >and diaphagm, and sprayed profusely with electronic >cleaner from Radio Shack. Let it dry, tried it, and it >worked like a charm. My newest power seat write up details the "pop the top off and spray in a bunch of contact cleaner and hope you don't have to take the switch apart method". I recommend that everyone with power seats carry a can of the stuff on trips so you don't have to either take apart a switch on a campground table or have a passenger with her seat all the way back for the drive home. Kevin Kelly From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 16 14:36:41 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15949 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:36:41 -0500 Message-ID: <000401bf8f7f$225cf840$7500000a@kklaptop> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Range Rover Power Seat Switches Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:22:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Alexander George Cooper wrote: >It looks like I will need to work on my RR's seat switches >in the very near future. If you need pictures for your article >I would be happy to take a few during the procedure. Pictures should be helpful for others who need to clean the switches. I have sent the write up to our own John Brabyn brabyn@skivs.ski.org to post on his updated http://www.rangerovers.net site. I also sent it to Matthew Reeve in GB matt@rangie.com who has put together the www.rangie.com site. You may want to ask John or Matthew if they could use the photos for their sites. Now that I have a digital camera I'm going to take photos of lots more Land Rover projects. Then Moosedaddy wrote: >Is this article complete? >I am having the same issue with my seat switches. Yes it is complete (but no photos) go to the web sites above and you should be able to find it. Kevin From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 16 15:38:48 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16013 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:38:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200003162038.MAA04074@blacker.gdbg.org> From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: BMW to sell parts of Rover Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:38:44 -0800 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org BMW is sellig Rover cars. BMW is keeping Mini. BMW may be selling Land Rover. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_679000/679169.stm Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 16 15:49:06 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16033 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:49:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200003162049.MAA04343@blacker.gdbg.org> From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Ford to by LR Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:49:04 -0800 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/news/financial/16cnd-rover.html From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 16 16:46:49 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16073 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:46:49 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:36:44 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Q for Kevin on RR seat switches article In-Reply-To: <38D13501.83D2ACD3@ski.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, John Brabyn wrote: > If anyone finds that the switch cleaning is not enough of a cure, you might > try buying new switches (ouch) which have a nice little rubber sheet in them > under the controls to stop dirt getting in. Those ones seem to last better in > my experience. > Our 89 has them, but then, the PO had the switches replaced twice (for something like $250 each). From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 16 20:42:28 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16304 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:42:28 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:39:45 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: john hess Subject: Dunsfold trust Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org HI, I did a quick google search and couldn't find the Dunfold trust on the web. Since we just covered search engines, I thought I'd ask the human search engines on the list if anyone knows of a Dunfold trust web page and/or email address for the Bashalls. thanks, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 16 20:54:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16322 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:54:25 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01bf8fb3$e34f3480$7500000a@kklaptop> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Ford may buy Land Rover Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:23:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >From a British Paper today: >Sources said U.S.-based Ford has already agreed to buy >the profitable Land Rover business for some 3.0 billion euros. >The deal is said to include BMW's Land Rover Solihull >assembly plant, but BMW will keep the new Mini. >From Reuters: >DETROIT (Reuters) - Ford Motor Co has agreed to buy >the profitable Land Rover sport utility unit from German >luxury automaker BMW for 3 billion euros (1.85 billion >pounds), acquiring another prestigious name in the >global consolidation of the auto industry, according to >sources close to the talks. The deal, which includes >BMW's Land Rover Solihull assembly plant in England, >will be announced on Friday, sources said. Looks like the new Range Rover may be based on the Lincoln Navigator rather than the BMW X5. Kevin Kelly From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 16 20:57:56 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16332 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:57:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200003170157.RAA05271@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Dunsfold trust In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:39:45 PST." Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:57:54 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message you wrote: > I did a quick google search and couldn't find the Dunfold trust on the web. www.dunsfold.com Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 16 21:01:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16344 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:01:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200003170201.SAA05305@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Ford may buy Land Rover In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:23:26 PST." <000e01bf8fb3$e34f3480$7500000a@kklaptop> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:01:06 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <000e01bf8fb3$e34f3480$7500000a@kklaptop>you wrote: > Looks like the new Range Rover may be based on the Lincoln > Navigator rather than the BMW X5. The funny thing is that about a year ago BP started telling me that the new RR (mk III) would look like a Navagator... I wonder what this does for LRNA since I think as of this week or next all of the computing is at the BMW HQ in NJ and LRNA Lanham was due to loose their network connection this week (and get a connection to BMW). LRNA Lanham has lost about 50% of their employees either to not being relocated to NJ or refusing to do so. Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 16 21:36:31 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16376 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:36:31 -0500 Message-ID: <38D19AD7.A47A35F2@wenet.net> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:39:19 -0800 From: "Bruce R. Bonar" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Holland & Holland References: <200003151447.GAA07955@blackie.cruzers.com> <4.1.20000315234220.037145d0@mail.halcyon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org You may very well be right that it was the caliber and not an actual H&H but don't rule it out. How many 300 H&H's have you seen? In any case there is a substantial difference in value between a double rifle or shotgun and a magazine (bolt action) H&H. The double is easily 3x the magazine rifle. Bruce Clarke Williams wrote: > What are you folks smoking? Rifles and shotguns manufactured by Holland & Holland have been extremely valuable for many, many years. > > I expect that TeriAnn's father's rifle is CHAMBERED for the .300 H&H Magnum, rather than of H&H manufacture. If it is actually made by the firm of H&H, it is more than merely valuable. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 16 21:41:39 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16387 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:41:39 -0500 Message-ID: <002001bf8fc2$44cbd660$13910ccf@kiotee> From: "Roy H Caldwell" To: Subject: Brit Wire Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:38:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry for the repeat. Can somebody supply again the address and info regarding British Wire. I also found that Dupont has a paint code listed for the Rover maybe Camel Trophy Yellow. It is listed as a 1996/97/98 color and the name is AA Yellow. Looks just like Camel. But I forgot to get the code numbers. But it took the paint guy about two minutes to pull it up on the computer with a paint chip. Just thought I would swap a bit of info. Roy From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 16 22:21:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16409 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:21:08 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:20:36 -0800 Subject: Projects (was numerous LR products) From: "Brian Foster" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Message-Id: <20000317032036.YSAX28925.mta02.onebox.com@onebox.com> Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > From: "Kelly Minnick" > Wow. I guess my wife doesn't know how good she has it! I do have the > 96 Saab and BMW 2002 in the back yard. And looking at E28 5-series too... huh!?!? guilty! :-) You think you folks have it bad... you should meet my poor wife! Tonight she was away from home and unable to keep me out of trouble. I have been posting wanted ads in the Recycler for months looking for an Isetta. Sunday night, this guy calls me up and asks: "Are you still looking for an Isetta?" When I inform him I am, he tells me: "Well, I've been collecting strange and unusual cars for 20 years, but the city is really cracking down on me and I won't have the time to work on all the projects I have. Would you take an Isetta, a parts car Isetta, and a BMW 600?" I can't believe my ears when he tells me the price. I can't wait until today to go see them (and he hasn't advertised -- I got first dibs). Anyway, I go look at the cars and even the body and frame of the parts car make we want to cry to think it's only for parts. The 600 is pretty good, but the engine is out and apart -- it'll be a project. I look at his stash and there are two complete Messerschmidts (not for sale), a Vespa 400 (not for sale... yet), and a NSU Prinz 30. The NSU is complete, but probably a parts car due to some rust. Anyway, I ask him about the other cars and he indicates the NSU will probably go to the crusher along with a huge warehouse of parts from another NSU he cut up. So I make him a ridiculous offer on all 4 cars and all the parts and... damn if he didn't accept -- no negotiation required. I start retrieving things this weekend and next. I have no idea what to do with all of this -- I have a 2 car garage and no driveway! I am thinking about parting out what I need from the Isetta and selling the body and frame, selling the Prinz and then decide what to do with 600. If anyone wants one of these three items, then let me know. In the meantime... you ought to feel sorry for my wife! :^O HELP! Brian Foster Irvine CA ___________________________________________________________________ To get your own FREE ZDNet Onebox - FREE voicemail, email, and fax, all in one place - sign up today at http://www.zdnetonebox.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 16 22:36:03 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16431 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:36:03 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:25:58 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: Mendo list Subject: No LR content: BMW wanted Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org My father is looking for a rust free BMW 2002 body, with sunroof and round taillights. If you know of one for sale, please let me know. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 16 23:19:14 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16485 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:19:14 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200003170157.RAA05271@blacker.gdbg.org> References: <200003170157.RAA05271@blacker.gdbg.org> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:15:54 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: john hess Subject: Re: Dunsfold trust Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >In message you wrote: > > > I did a quick google search and couldn't find the Dunfold trust on the web. > >www.dunsfold.com > >Ben Duh. why didn't google hit that in the first couple pages? Thanks, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 00:18:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA17013 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:18:04 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000316211557.006cafb0@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:15:57 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Re: Ford may buy Land Rover In-Reply-To: <000e01bf8fb3$e34f3480$7500000a@kklaptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Looks like the new Range Rover may be based on the Lincoln >Navigator rather than the BMW X5. Or perhaps it will have an Aston-Martin V-12 instead of a BMW V-12. I would seriously expect to see the Jag V-8 in it at least. Ford's got some other good engines, too. It could be worse. Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 00:29:35 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA17029 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:29:35 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000316212732.006cb47c@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:27:32 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Rubber Sheets for RR seat switches In-Reply-To: <38D13501.83D2ACD3@ski.org> References: <3.0.1.32.20000315185900.006c9174@pacific.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dr. John wrote: >If anyone finds that the switch cleaning is not enough of a cure, you might >try buying new switches (ouch) which have a nice little rubber sheet in them >under the controls to stop dirt getting in. Those ones seem to last better in >my experience. Er, mine did have the rubber sheet (what I called a diaphragm but it really isn't one). It's still required cleaning twice since I've had it. >It would be nice if the little rubber seal was available separately -- but I >don't think it is. If anyone finds a source let me know. Or, make your own! It would be pretty easy to make 'em. Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 00:36:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA17154 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:36:21 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000316213419.006d4498@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:34:19 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Re: Mendo aerial recce In-Reply-To: <001601bf8f13$2d47e420$ae051fd1@BlairPC> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Blair wrote: >If I'd had a map with me (and if the pilot had cut it back a couple hundred >knots to loiter) it would have been a great opportunity to solve Granny and >John B's dilemma of Lovelady Ridge and the case of the missing M5. Thassokay! We doan mine doin it the hard way! Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 01:20:02 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17186 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 01:20:02 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:17:39 -0800 Subject: Safari Trailer From: Luke To: rover Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org from another mailing list http://www.pta.co.za/brakhah/brakhah.html -luke From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 01:22:07 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17197 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 01:22:07 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:18:21 -0800 Subject: Safari Trailer From: unimog To: rover Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org from another mailing list http://www.pta.co.za/brakhah/brakhah.html -luke From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 01:37:50 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17211 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 01:37:50 -0500 Date: 16 Mar 2000 22:37:47 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org X-Sender: web79245@dreamlab.cc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Ford may buy Land Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >>Looks like the new Range Rover may be based on the Lincoln >>Navigator rather than the BMW X5. > >Or perhaps it will have an Aston-Martin V-12 instead of a BMW V-12. I >would seriously expect to see the Jag V-8 in it at least. Ford's got some >other good engines, too. It could be worse. > > >Granny Definitely. I'd like to see a PowerStroke diesel in a Range Rover or DiscoII for that matter. Just as long as the bodies don't look too 'Ford-ish' and more 'Land-Rover-ish' I'm fine with the sale. Too bad Dodge didn't buy LR. I have some industry contacts within Dodge that could have paid off. :( Later, Michael Slade Portland, Oregon www.DreamLab.cc From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 03:05:38 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA17265 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 03:05:38 -0500 Message-ID: <38D1E77D.7D33BD14@slip.net> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:06:21 -0800 From: Mehdi and Christine X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: careers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "Rose, Randy" wrote: > We just got an Avid in December, but I barely up on it. That basically what I do. Which avid did you get? Mehdi From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 03:06:54 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA17275 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 03:06:54 -0500 From: SFmms@aol.com Message-ID: <6a.1295492.26034179@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 03:06:17 EST Subject: Re: Ford purchase of Land Rover To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ben wrote: << Ford to b(u)y LR >> Looks like it. Check out: http://news2.thls.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid%5F680000/680811.stm Karen Sindir From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 03:32:12 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA17293 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 03:32:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200003170832.AAA05812@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: fwd: Re: dunsfold Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:32:09 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ Bounced because the email was too big (the whole digest was included in the email. Trimmed and resent. -Ben ] ------- Forwarded Message Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:16:05 -0500 From: Michael Samuels To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: dunsfold http://www.dunsfold.com/ what do you think of that? they are really good people, honest, know allot, michael samuels 89rr http://www.old.rover.com ------- End of Forwarded Message From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 03:36:53 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA17304 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 03:36:53 -0500 From: Biophilian@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 03:36:18 EST Subject: Re: Q for Kevin on RR seat switches article To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The switches are a simple swap --literally just a minute-or-two plug in-- and are available for about 150 at BP and 135 (?) from RoversNorth. Too expensive and poorly manufactured, the switches are actually a Mercedes part (I'm told) that would normally appear in the arm-rest of a benz. My "freshies" are 3 or 4 months old now and i've already had to use the contact cleaner on the driver's side switch.... If the contact cleaner works just keep it handy. That's what that pouch is for that's on the back of the seat.... If only there was a kit to convert the seat to a simple lever adjustment. I halfway expect that on some extended trip in The Maze my seat switch will do its thing and the heat of the desert will cause my can of contact cleaner to burst. I always end up making the position worse by switching the switch back and forth to "free it up"--and it just keeps going in only one direction. It's amazing just how uncomfortable one can make a RR seat--and how one really can drive off-road without a backrest if it's necessary. Kevan Wiser '87 RR '99Volvo V70 XC (now these are seats) '62 Mercedes 220SEB (the only one worthy of the lone garage spot) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 03:41:16 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA17314 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 03:41:16 -0500 Message-ID: <38D1EFA6.A01479C8@thelen.org> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:41:10 -0800 From: "Christopher H. Dow" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Ford may buy Land Rover References: <000e01bf8fb3$e34f3480$7500000a@kklaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I think this means the TeriAnn is some sort of clairvoyant. TAW, do you have any stock tips? C From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 03:49:32 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA17326 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 03:49:32 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:49:36 -0800 Subject: Re: Ford purchase of Land Rover Message-ID: <20000317.004959.-182779.2.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-14 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Look at the bright side: No more overpriced parts! Not only that, but EVERYBODY under the sun will carry Land Rover parts in a few years! Think of it - simply drive over to the local Kragan! Bad news: BP, RN, AB, BB, etc., will be outta business... Charles "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 04:23:47 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA17503 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 04:23:47 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 01:22:07 -0800 Subject: Re: Q for Kevin on RR seat switches article Message-ID: <20000317.012332.-182779.5.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-45 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org 'Ya know...those seat switches are the very same ones used in, oh, 1984 era Mercedes 560SEL's... Charles On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 03:36:18 EST Biophilian@aol.com writes: > The switches are a simple swap --literally just a minute-or-two plug > in-- and > are available for about 150 at BP and 135 (?) from RoversNorth. Too > expensive > and poorly manufactured, the switches are actually a Mercedes part > (I'm told) > that would normally appear in the arm-rest of a benz. My "freshies" > are 3 or > 4 months old now and i've already had to use the contact cleaner on > the > driver's side switch.... If the contact cleaner works just keep it > handy. > That's what that pouch is for that's on the back of the seat.... > > If only there was a kit to convert the seat to a simple lever > adjustment. I > halfway expect that on some extended trip in The Maze my seat switch > will do > its thing and the heat of the desert will cause my can of contact > cleaner to > burst. > > I always end up making the position worse by switching the switch > back and > forth to "free it up"--and it just keeps going in only one > direction. It's > amazing just how uncomfortable one can make a RR seat--and how one > really can > drive off-road without a backrest if it's necessary. > > Kevan Wiser > > '87 RR > '99Volvo V70 XC (now these are seats) > '62 Mercedes 220SEB (the only one worthy of the lone garage spot) "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 09:42:12 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17751 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:42:12 -0500 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000317.004959.-182779.2.cirvin1258@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 06:37:51 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Russ Wilson Subject: Re: Ford purchase of Land Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Look at the bright side: > >No more overpriced parts! Not only that, but EVERYBODY under the sun will >carry Land Rover parts in a few years! > >Think of it - simply drive over to the local Kragan! > >Bad news: BP, RN, AB, BB, etc., will be outta business... I doubt Ford will take any interest in the Series market. I could be wrong but the number just don't seem to support a company the size of Ford worrying about us too much. I'll bet things will be left pretty much the way they are. I've got an E-mail into my father-in-law who works for Jaguar. Russ and Leslie Wilson "Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains." -Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 10:16:46 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17882 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 10:16:46 -0500 Message-ID: <003101bf9023$cab9e9e0$3f3377d8@delllap> From: "Paul Archibald" To: References: <3.0.1.32.20000316211557.006cafb0@pacific.net> Subject: Re: Ford may buy Land Rover Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 07:16:37 -0800 Organization: P. A. Design X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I aggree. Hell the plain ol' ford v-8 would be good enough. Drive one of their new trucks...or maybe with the powerstroke? ;-) Also, remember Ford has always had the reputation for it's trucks unlike BMW. Maybe they will be a little more interested in the new defender idea instead of just making luxo cars for &%$ yuppies! No offense to bmw, but I am kinda pissed at them for their new look/image! (for the last twenty years) they used to just be another car manufacture.... Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: Granville Pool To: Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 9:15 PM Subject: Re: Ford may buy Land Rover > >Looks like the new Range Rover may be based on the Lincoln > >Navigator rather than the BMW X5. > > Or perhaps it will have an Aston-Martin V-12 instead of a BMW V-12. I > would seriously expect to see the Jag V-8 in it at least. Ford's got some > other good engines, too. It could be worse. > > > Granny > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 10:21:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17919 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 10:21:21 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 07:16:55 -0800 To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com From: Russ Wilson Subject: BMW Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Tom, Are you still going to buy that X-5 or will you get your deposit back and start looking at Ford Expeditions??? If you wait a bit you may be able to buy a new 110 with a Ford powerstroke in it. cheers Russ and Leslie Wilson "Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains." -Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 10:23:28 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17929 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 10:23:28 -0500 Message-id: <1000317072145.13ef231.26f36e02.ASIP6.2b6.55983@smtp.pvr.com> Subject: Re: Ford may buy Land Rover Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 07:22:33 -0800 x-sender: frey@smtp.pvr.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Bob Frey To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Interesting.... At least for the interim Ford will have a product with a GM derived engine! Bob Frey '65 Series IIA 88 "Chug" From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 11:20:43 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18021 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:20:43 -0500 Message-ID: <20000317162034.8887.qmail@web705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:20:34 -0800 (PST) From: KC Subject: Re: D110 may be available for sale To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Keep us informed of price when it hits the floor. I know I'm interested, but, it'll likely be way outta my price range. KC --- Nick Eckert wrote: > I was over at Newport Land Rover last night. One of the salesmen told me > they just put a bid in on a D110 that was taken as trade at a non-Landy > dealership. With any luck they should have it on the lot within 1-2 > weeks. > I can't afford it, but I would rather see it go to a good Landy home, then > to another SoCal Yuppie who will never take it off-road. > > Cheers, > > Nick > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 11:53:12 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18071 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:53:12 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.20000317084832.00c316b0@mail.halcyon.com> X-Sender: clarkebw@mail.halcyon.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:52:57 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Clarke Williams Subject: Re: Holland & Holland In-Reply-To: <38D19AD7.A47A35F2@wenet.net> References: <200003151447.GAA07955@blackie.cruzers.com> <4.1.20000315234220.037145d0@mail.halcyon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bruce, I sure wouldn't rule it out. And of course there is a big difference in value of a double rifle vs a bolt-action. Much more hand work in a double. I've only seen a few actual H&H rifles, bolt and double. A friend of mine has a double .375 that was one of the nicest shooting rifles I've ever shot. He is also a long-time Land Rover owner. The only other Holland & Holland that I, personally, have shot is another double chambered for .406 Rigby. Sweet gun. Clarke At 06:39 PM 16-03-00 -0800, you wrote: >You may very well be right that it was the caliber and not an actual H&H but >don't rule it out. How many 300 H&H's have you seen? > >In any case there is a substantial difference in value between a double >rifle or shotgun and a magazine (bolt action) H&H. The double is easily 3x >the magazine rifle. > >Bruce > >Clarke Williams wrote: > >> What are you folks smoking? Rifles and shotguns manufactured by Holland & >Holland have been extremely valuable for many, many years. >> >> I expect that TeriAnn's father's rifle is CHAMBERED for the .300 H&H >Magnum, rather than of H&H manufacture. If it is actually made by the firm >of H&H, it is more than merely valuable. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 11:59:54 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18083 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:59:54 -0500 Message-ID: <38D26487.92C5873@thelen.org> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:59:51 -0800 From: "Christopher H. Dow" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Ford purchase of Land Rover References: <6a.1295492.26034179@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I think this could be very good. IMO, Jaguar under Ford has made some of the coolest cars with the most honesty to the original marque values that are being made today. You may recall that when Ford purchased Jag, they were in a pickle. Inifiniti was making cars that looked like what Jag should have been doing (original, late-80s Q45 & J30), and Jag had responded by putting rectangular headlamps (!!!) on their old designs (wow! that sure looks updated--NOT!). Since the Ford acquisition, they have come out with several designs which are very true to the old Jags everyone loved (at least they loved to *look* at them) while looking more modern (XK8, new E type). I have no data on reliability, so I can't speak to that. If they do that with Land Rover, I'll be very happy. Does anyone know what the build quality is on Fords these days? When I last rode regularly in a ford, it was a mid-80s T-bird belonging to my dad (the first really round T-bird of modern times). I must say that that thing was not well-made. All the plastic stuff (like door handles) fell off it. Yuck. Ford is widely credited by the design community for bringing design back to automobiles in the 80s with the Taurus and the afforementioned T-bird. For some time up to then, the auto makers had prided themselves on being a business, and preventing anyone from really knowing how to make cars--it was all about cash-flow analisys. Ford really changed all that. Not that I would own a Ford (or GM or Chrysler), though. I have real issues with the UAW (odd for a hippy-liberal boy like me), and really don't want to fatten their coffers. I think we can look at the situation with old Jag parts to see what's in store for us and our favorite parts places. I don't know the answer, but I think we can arrive at a reasonable approximation of what's in store. So, talk to your old-jag-enthusiast friends. C From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 12:06:09 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18119 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:06:09 -0500 Message-ID: <006201bf9033$69da28a0$01faa2cd@890> From: "Blair Gillespie" To: References: <6a.1295492.26034179@aol.com> <38D26487.92C5873@thelen.org> Subject: Re: Ford purchase of Land Rover Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:08:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Since nothing comes to mind in Ford's line up to compete with Jeep, may be the addition of a short wheelbase "sports utility vehicle" would be in order. Blair From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 12:44:02 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18146 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:44:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200003171743.JAA16301@rm-rstar.sfu.ca> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Neil Andrews X-Sender: nandrews@popserver.sfu.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 9:43:54 PST X-Mailer: SFUwebmail 2.70 Subject: Re: Brit Wire Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > I also found that Dupont has a paint code listed for the Rover maybe Camel > Trophy Yellow. It is listed as a 1996/97/98 color and the name is AA > Yellow. Looks just like Camel. But I forgot to get the code numbers. But > it took the paint guy about two minutes to pull it up on the computer with a > paint chip. > Nope. AA Yellow is the colour of the Disco XD. Camel Yellow has more of an orange hue to it. I don't have the paint code though. Neil From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 12:53:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18159 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:53:00 -0500 Message-ID: <20000317175257.4170.qmail@web701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:52:57 -0800 (PST) From: KC Subject: Re: Ford purchase of Land Rover To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I also think that Ford may do a better job maintaining the LR marque than BMW had plans for it--let's all hope. Ford makes a lot of SUVs/mall wagons. It wouldn't make financial sense for Ford to buy LR to stop any competition LR makes on Fords, but instead to expand on the niche market of LRs. Since Ford makes so many mall wagons themselves, getting more luxorious and less rugged, they just may very well keep the LR marque as a rugged 4x4. I also agree that Ford will likely leave LR to operate much on their own, with most likley a cash input and better management leadership that may take LR to building better vehicles and, like w/Jag, along the original design concepts that seperate LR from Ford and other SUVs. While at Marin LR 2 years ago, I looked at a Jag on the sales floor. I was amazed at not only the quality of build, the wonderful design, but also of the reliability reports. It was rated higher than MB and Lexus on reliability and fewest owner complaints. We all know where Jag was on these ratings. If Ford can turn around Jag into one of the best looking and highest quility built cars currently available, then I have high hopes and aspirations for Ford's aquisition of LR. And yes, Jag/Ford do have some very nice engines that could work well in a LR. Let's hope and pray Ford that Ford fixes LR woes but keeps their wonderful design and capabilities that we all love. I never thought I'd own a Ford, but I'm optimistic about Ford's ownership of LR. Perhaps we should all write a letter to Ford congratulating them on their purchase and our wishes for the LR line. KC --- "Christopher H. Dow" wrote: > If they do that with Land Rover, I'll be very happy. Does anyone know > what the build quality is on Fords these days? When I last rode > regularly in a ford, it was a mid-80s T-bird belonging to my dad (the > first really round T-bird of modern times). I must say that that thing > was not well-made. All the plastic stuff (like door handles) fell off > it. Yuck. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 13:13:19 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18178 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:13:19 -0500 Message-ID: <20000317181313.5156.qmail@web702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 10:13:13 -0800 (PST) From: KC Subject: Ford Considers LR the Jaguar of 4-wheel drives To: "Mendo Recce List" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Check out this story from Ford's web page. I'm a little worried about the statement, "LR is considered to be the Jaguar of four-wheel drive vehicles." I hope that doesn't mean more leather and less ruggedness. If it does, I may just eat my words from my last post. KC http://www.ford.com/default.asp?pageid=106&storyid=705 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 13:16:02 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18190 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:16:02 -0500 From: "Shannon Holland" To: Subject: RE: Ford purchase of Land Rover Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 10:15:48 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <6a.1295492.26034179@aol.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >From AP this morning: "Two of Land Rover's models, the Range Rover and the Discovery, are sold in the United States. Nasser said the engineering work necessary to bring the other two models, the Freelander and the Defender, to the U.S. market had been done, but declined to estimate when they might come to the United States. " Now that I'm looking for a 110, I sure wish I knew what was really going to happen here! Shannon From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 13:28:40 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18203 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:28:40 -0500 Message-ID: <38D2788C.443A1F03@slip.net> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 10:25:16 -0800 From: Jeremy Bartlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Ford purchase of Land Rover References: <6a.1295492.26034179@aol.com> <38D26487.92C5873@thelen.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "Christopher H. Dow" wrote: > Does anyone know what the build quality is on Fords these days? I can't speak to Ford but I can say that of all 3 ... oops 2 :), US manufacturers, if I had to pick one as having their act most together on basic quality issues it would be Ford. Of course they're not perfect. They have also apparently made great strides in improving the quality control of the brands they own. Jag is a well know example. What always surprised me was that for their own intense reliance on brand image, BMW apparently had a poor understanding or vision of where to take Land Rover. Jeremy From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 13:31:02 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18213 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:31:02 -0500 Message-ID: <38D2791F.D0DFB6B3@slip.net> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 10:27:44 -0800 From: Jeremy Bartlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Ford Considers LR the Jaguar of 4-wheel drives References: <20000317181313.5156.qmail@web702.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org KC wrote: > I'm a little worried about the statement, "LR is considered to be the Jaguar > of four-wheel drive vehicles." I hope that doesn't mean more leather and less > ruggedness. I'd bet good scotch this is intended in business terms meaning a "boutique" (the latest buzz word) firm occupying a specialized high margin, luxury niche with strong brand identity (like Volvo and Jag). Jeremy From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 13:34:13 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18223 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:34:13 -0500 Message-ID: <021201bf903d$73858c00$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: <000e01bf8fb3$e34f3480$7500000a@kklaptop> <38D1EFA6.A01479C8@thelen.org> Subject: Re: Ford may buy Land Rover Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:20:16 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > do you > have any stock tips? > > C Well Ford is about at the bottom of a 15 month slide. Since the DOW news release about the purchase they have come back up 4%. P From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 14:50:52 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18333 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 14:50:52 -0500 Date: 17 Mar 2000 11:50:49 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org X-Sender: web79245@dreamlab.cc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Q for Kevin on RR seat switches article Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >The switches are a simple swap --literally just a minute-or-two plug in-- and >are available for about 150 at BP and 135 (?) from RoversNorth. Too expensive >and poorly manufactured, the switches are actually a Mercedes part (I'm told) The seat switches are the same ones used in my '87 300TD. The switches in the Benz are built into the door panel and not in a pod as in the RR. I haven't checked out the Benz price for the switches, so I don't know if it's more or less than LR. Later, Michael Slade Portland, Oregon www.DreamLab.cc From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 16:59:05 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18539 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:59:05 -0500 Message-ID: <38D2A9E2.A29AEDB6@slip.net> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:55:46 -0800 From: Jeremy Bartlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo recce Subject: Hollister Day Trip? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Since I can't make the Mojave Rd. trip, I think I'll give myself a consolation trip down to Hollister tomorrow to check out current conditions. Anyone interested in meeting there at around 10:00am? (90% likely I'll be there). Jeremy From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 17:03:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18552 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 17:03:08 -0500 Message-ID: <38D2AAB3.1A473B3@slip.net> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:59:15 -0800 From: Jeremy Bartlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kerner, Rob" , Gerry Mugele , M Saghafi & C deGuzman , Granville Pool , Tom Walsh , John Brabyn , Bruce Bonar , Zack , John hong , Paul Archibald , Blair Peterson , Walt Swain , Ben Mitchell , Jeff Rogers , john hess , Doug Forehand , Alexander George Cooper , Fil Figueroa , IVAN LAM , cyberkiwi , jpasichuke , mendo recce Subject: Next NRCR Trail Maintenance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org OK how about next weekend Saturday March 25 for trail clearing up at mendocino? I'll run this date by the Forest service and check if clearing is still needed; I'll probably head up anyway since it's been too long since I've made it out. Please let me know if you can make this. Jeremy From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 17:05:06 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18562 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 17:05:06 -0500 Message-ID: <000701bf905d$010c3a00$7500000a@kklaptop> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Range Rover Power Seat switches Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:20:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles R Irvin wrote: >'Ya know...those seat switches are the very same ones >used in, oh, 1984 era Mercedes 560SEL's... Most 80's S Class MBZ seat switches also have a headrest switch, so you have to do some cutting to get them to fit. MBZ was the featured marquee at the Hillsborough Concours a couple years ago and I was joking with a MBZ owner how the crappy MBZ designed seat switches were the least dependable item on my British built Land Rover. The guy was an electrical engineer from Saratoga and I didn't fully understand what he said but it turns Land Rover has too much (or not enough) power flowing through the switches causing the contacts to gum up. He said that the switches almost never have problems on MBZs. Kevin Kelly From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 17:10:23 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18574 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 17:10:23 -0500 Message-ID: <38D2AC87.F569081F@slip.net> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 14:07:03 -0800 From: Jeremy Bartlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo recce CC: Bruce Bonar , morgan hannaford , Rick Larson , Ben Mitchell Subject: NCRC/Children Off Road Outing - Proposal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A club member has proposed a possible club event to both myself and Land Rover Marin (where he is a customer). The basic idea is this: club members would provide a vehicle ride at an offroad area for ill, disabled or disadvantaged children. The activity would probably be located at Hollister or a private location, possibly near Bodega. LRM has apparently agreed to suppport this logistically. NCRC members would provide the rides in their vehicles. Possible date at this point is first weekend in May. My questions are : How many folks would be willing to do this (please respond to me personally if you don't want to clog up mendo)? Does anyone have or know of a particular childrens' group that they think would be appropriate to contact? For club officers: Any particular concerns? I'll have to look into LRM dealing with liability issues. Jeremy From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 17:17:47 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18590 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 17:17:47 -0500 Date: 17 Mar 2000 14:17:38 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com X-Sender: web79245@dreamlab.cc (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Locked and Loaded Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, the ARB unit is up and running, I decided to install a tank out of an LWB RR and run the air locker with it rather than worry about a compressor for now. It'll be nice to have it in the soft sand in Southern Utah. The car is loaded, and except for final perishables I'll purchase down south, I'm ready to take off in the morning. I had to postpone the departure for 24 hours due to unforseen complications. No biggie unless someone out there in mendo-land was planning on meeting me on Sunday. Hope this doesn't throw anyone off. Anyway, feel free to join up with me mid-route. Call at: 503-329-6800 Later, Michael Slade Portland, Oregon www.DreamLab.cc From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 17:25:54 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18603 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 17:25:54 -0500 Message-ID: <38D2B12A.9088B97F@slip.net> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 14:26:50 -0800 From: Mehdi and Christine X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Next NRCR Trail Maintenance References: <38D2AAB3.1A473B3@slip.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I am in. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 18:04:09 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18662 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:04:09 -0500 From: INFLOWINC@aol.com Message-ID: <7b.247a4c3.260413c0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:03:28 EST Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #83 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Group, To chime in on the BMW/Land Rover/Ford soap opera. As an owner of a 92 RR County--one that I very much enjoy driving and having owned 2 different Jaguar's, 93 XJ6-VDP and currently a 97 XJ-VDP I welcome the quality control improvements that Ford will bring to Land Rover. I also hope (though with diminishing belief) Ford will maintain the unique nature of the marque. With Jag, Ford has considerably improved the reliability but diminished the unique feel of the product. The 93 Jag was very much a Jag but Ford reliable. The 97 Jag is far more reliable but cost cutting and a more generic feel is evident in other areas. So anyway, just my less than 2 cents thrown in to the discussion. Have a good weekend Vinod S. Kripalani From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 18:34:51 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18697 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:34:51 -0500 Message-ID: <38D2C1C0.8EDBDD91@wenet.net> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:37:36 -0800 From: "Bruce R. Bonar" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org CC: "Kerner, Rob" , Gerry Mugele , M Saghafi & C deGuzman , Granville Pool , Tom Walsh , John Brabyn , Zack , John hong , Paul Archibald , Blair Peterson , Walt Swain , Ben Mitchell , Jeff Rogers , john hess , Doug Forehand , Alexander George Cooper , Fil Figueroa , IVAN LAM , cyberkiwi , jpasichuke Subject: Re: Next NRCR Trail Maintenance References: <38D2AAB3.1A473B3@slip.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A quick check of the NCRC Website and Calendar indicates there is a Club Snow Run that weekend. Not to mention the NCAA Regional Semi-Finals and Finals. Bruce Bonar Duke '77 Jeremy Bartlett wrote: > OK how about next weekend Saturday March 25 for trail clearing up at > mendocino? > I'll run this date by the Forest service and check if clearing is still > needed; I'll probably head > up anyway since it's been too long since I've made it out. Please let > me know if you can make > this. > > Jeremy From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 18:37:50 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18709 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:37:50 -0500 From: "Ben Mitchell" To: "Bruce R. Bonar" , Cc: "Kerner, Rob" , "Gerry Mugele" , "M Saghafi & C deGuzman" , "Granville Pool" , "Tom Walsh" , "John Brabyn" , "Zack" , "John hong" , "Paul Archibald" , "Blair Peterson" , "Walt Swain" , "Ben Mitchell" , "Jeff Rogers" , "john hess" , "Doug Forehand" , "Alexander George Cooper" , "Fil Figueroa" , "IVAN LAM" , "cyberkiwi" , "jpasichuke" Subject: RE: Next NRCR Trail Maintenance Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:48:08 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <38D2C1C0.8EDBDD91@wenet.net> Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yeah... It'd be a shame to miss that Stanford - Temple game ;-) -Ben -----Original Message----- From: Bruce R. Bonar [mailto:brbonar@wenet.net] Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 3:38 PM To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cc: Kerner, Rob; Gerry Mugele; M Saghafi & C deGuzman; Granville Pool; Tom Walsh; John Brabyn; Zack; John hong; Paul Archibald; Blair Peterson; Walt Swain; Ben Mitchell; Jeff Rogers; john hess; Doug Forehand; Alexander George Cooper; Fil Figueroa; IVAN LAM; cyberkiwi; jpasichuke Subject: Re: Next NRCR Trail Maintenance A quick check of the NCRC Website and Calendar indicates there is a Club Snow Run that weekend. Not to mention the NCAA Regional Semi-Finals and Finals. Bruce Bonar Duke '77 Jeremy Bartlett wrote: > OK how about next weekend Saturday March 25 for trail clearing up at > mendocino? > I'll run this date by the Forest service and check if clearing is still > needed; I'll probably head > up anyway since it's been too long since I've made it out. Please let > me know if you can make > this. > > Jeremy From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 18:51:36 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18725 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:51:36 -0500 Message-ID: <38D2C5AC.DABBDE06@wenet.net> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:54:20 -0800 From: "Bruce R. Bonar" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ben Mitchell CC: mendo_recce@fourfold.org, "Kerner, Rob" , Gerry Mugele , M Saghafi & C deGuzman , Granville Pool , Tom Walsh , John Brabyn , Zack , John hong , Paul Archibald , Blair Peterson , Walt Swain , Ben Mitchell , Jeff Rogers , john hess , Doug Forehand , Alexander George Cooper , Fil Figueroa , IVAN LAM , cyberkiwi , jpasichuke Subject: Re: Next NRCR Trail Maintenance References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Humm, I seemed to have missed Dartmouth's game. Was it last week? BB Ben Mitchell wrote: > Yeah... > > It'd be a shame to miss that Stanford - Temple game ;-) > > > From: Bruce R. Bonar [mailto:brbonar@wenet.net] > > > Not to mention the NCAA Regional Semi-Finals and Finals. > > Bruce Bonar > Duke '77 From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 18:55:36 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18738 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:55:36 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:00:12 -0800 Subject: Re: NCRC/Children Off Road Outing - Proposal From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200003172210.RAA18581@guinness.ovlr.org> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jeremy, My step-dad sits on the board of the Alliance for Community Care, an organization that cares for children with various mental illnesses. I could easily place a call to the CEO and make an introduction if you would like. Let me know... Jeff > Does anyone have or know of a particular childrens' group that they > think would be appropriate to > contact? From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 18:55:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18746 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:55:37 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:00:12 -0800 Subject: Re: Next NRCR Trail Maintenance From: Jeff Rogers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200003172210.RAA18581@guinness.ovlr.org> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Would love to help out, but I will be going on the NCRC Snow Run that weekend. Speaking of the Snow Run, I understand that John Baudendistel, the event's host, will be posting information on the trip later today. I have created a Web page for the trip if anyone is interested. See: http://www.sfo.com/~jrogers/ncrc/snowrun2000/ -->Jeff From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 19:08:35 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18761 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 19:08:35 -0500 From: "Ben Mitchell" To: "Bruce R. Bonar" Cc: , "Kerner, Rob" , "Gerry Mugele" , "M Saghafi & C deGuzman" , "Granville Pool" , "Tom Walsh" , "John Brabyn" , "Zack" , "John hong" , "Paul Archibald" , "Blair Peterson" , "Walt Swain" , "Ben Mitchell" , "Jeff Rogers" , "john hess" , "Doug Forehand" , "Alexander George Cooper" , "Fil Figueroa" , "IVAN LAM" , "cyberkiwi" , "jpasichuke" Subject: RE: Next NRCR Trail Maintenance Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:19:00 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <38D2C5AC.DABBDE06@wenet.net> Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, in point of fact, the Dartmouth Women play a round one game against Purdue either today or tomorrow; so you can still catch it depending on your satellite service. But I'm thinking that wasn't what you meant :-) -Ben -----Original Message----- From: Bruce R. Bonar [mailto:brbonar@wenet.net] Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 3:54 PM To: Ben Mitchell Cc: mendo_recce@fourfold.org; Kerner, Rob; Gerry Mugele; M Saghafi & C deGuzman; Granville Pool; Tom Walsh; John Brabyn; Zack; John hong; Paul Archibald; Blair Peterson; Walt Swain; Ben Mitchell; Jeff Rogers; john hess; Doug Forehand; Alexander George Cooper; Fil Figueroa; IVAN LAM; cyberkiwi; jpasichuke Subject: Re: Next NRCR Trail Maintenance Humm, I seemed to have missed Dartmouth's game. Was it last week? BB Ben Mitchell wrote: > Yeah... > > It'd be a shame to miss that Stanford - Temple game ;-) > > > From: Bruce R. Bonar [mailto:brbonar@wenet.net] > > > Not to mention the NCAA Regional Semi-Finals and Finals. > > Bruce Bonar > Duke '77 From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 19:56:28 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18787 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 19:56:28 -0500 Message-ID: <20000318005626.2541.qmail@web705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:56:26 -0800 (PST) From: KC Subject: Re: Range Rover Power Seat switches To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If LR does have too much power flowing through the MBZ switches, it could cause them to gum up more if there is a bunch of extra static electricity attracting dirt to the contacts. Thus, a possible solution might be to add a small resistor to in line with the switches to limit the power to them. Perhaps someone can check the amperage and voltage feeding the switches and try a small resistor in one. Just my thought... KC --- Kevin Kelly wrote: > MBZ was the featured marquee at the Hillsborough Concours a > couple years ago and I was joking with a MBZ owner how the > crappy MBZ designed seat switches were the least dependable > item on my British built Land Rover. The guy was an > electrical engineer from Saratoga and I didn't fully > understand what he said but it turns Land Rover has too much > (or not enough) power flowing through the switches causing > the contacts to gum up. He said that the switches almost > never have problems on MBZs. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 20:35:17 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18812 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 20:35:17 -0500 Message-ID: <001301bf9082$2ad7d7c0$1e910ccf@kiotee> From: "Roy H Caldwell" To: Subject: Re: Brit Wire Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 19:32:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Neil, I agree with you on that. However the AA yellow paint chip on the computer actually was closer to Kodak yellow than the traditional AA yellow and the Kodak yellow is darn near Camel in my eyes. I found it kinda funny when the paint guy came up with the color that it wasn't the yellow on my AA badge from New Zealand. It seems that the closest color commercially avaiable will probably be the Disco XD AA yellow. I have to admit that all the photos and the several Camel Trophy vehicles I have seen the yellow never seemed to be the same. Maybe it is whatever yellow came to hand when the trucks got picked for the Trophy. Roy From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 21:14:44 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18838 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 21:14:44 -0500 From: BwanaE@aol.com Message-ID: <7c.2fdb9d1.2604406f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 21:14:07 EST Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #83 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org CC: Bartlett@slip.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 03/17/2000 2:12:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, owner-mendo_recce-digest@fourfold.org writes: > OK how about next weekend Saturday March 25 for trail clearing up at > mendocino? > I'll run this date by the Forest service and check if clearing is still > needed; I'll probably head > up anyway since it's been too long since I've made it out. Please let > me know if you can make > this. Hey Jeremy...I'm pretty sure that John B.'s "Avalanche Run" is that same weekend. Perhaps the trail clearing can be re-set? Trust me...this trip will be very worth attending. Eric. Eric Cope 1232 Appaloosa Road Angels Camp, CA. 95222 home phone: 209-736-9279 cell / voice mail: 209-988-2842 e-mail: BwanaE@aol.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 21:27:14 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18851 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 21:27:14 -0500 Message-ID: <02d401bf907f$6acf9aa0$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: Subject: Re: Next NRCR Trail Maintenance Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:12:31 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org How far in advance to these get planned and where exactly are they held? Will most likely be in CA the second week in May. San Diego to Ventura depending on which family member we are staying with. Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 17 23:45:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18914 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 23:45:04 -0500 Message-ID: <000201bf9094$e1c978a0$7500000a@kklaptop> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: BMW Selling LR Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 17:22:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jeremy wrote: >What always surprised me was that for their own intense >reliance on brand image, BMW apparently had a poor >understanding or vision of where to take Land Rover. IMHO BMW did a pretty good job with Land Rover, sure I was upset that they stopped selling the Defender, but BMW is in business to make money and with current U.S. airbag laws they would not be able to make money selling the Defender here. Word is that BMW didn't want to sell Land Rover but had to sell it to get the money to PAY someone to "buy" the Rover car company (how much would you pay for something that has been loosing a BILLION dollars a year?). A lot of people in GB dislike the Irish, but almost all of them dislike, even hate the Germans (German bombs have killed a lot more British people than Irish bombs). I heard that BMW would have liked to just close the Rover car plant, fire all the workers and focus on building rear wheel drive cars, but it would have been politically impossible. While BMW owned Land Rover U.S. sales went from well under 10,000 in 1994 to about 30,000 in 1999 (I read something at the end of the year that sales were close to hitting 30K in 1999 after topping 20K in 1998). Kevin Kelly Who can't wait to see the new "Eddie Bauer" Range Rover From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 18 00:03:51 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18961 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 00:03:51 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000317191151.00ae91f0@hgea01.hgea.org> X-Sender: ogilvi@hgea01.hgea.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 19:11:51 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie Subject: Re: BMW Defender In-Reply-To: <000201bf9094$e1c978a0$7500000a@kklaptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Wonder what's going to happen to the BMW 2.8 petrol powered Defender built in South Africa. Supposedly an excellent match. Good engine with lots of torque and much better gas mileage than the 4.0 rover engine. Guess the Ford v-6 in the Explorer might drop right in and they seem to be a miserly engine with a bit of power. As far as engines are concerned. Ford may have been looking at the TD5. Seems to have the power of a small v-6, but better much better mileage, without the normal diesel headaches like noise. The future is going to the more fuel efficient not withstanding our present hiccup in prices. The TD5 would make a great engine for the contour. Can see the 'Powered by Rover' decals on all sorts of Ford Products. Aloha Peter Kona Coffee Rover 05:22 PM 3/17/00 -0800, you wrote: >Jeremy wrote: > >>What always surprised me was that for their own intense >>reliance on brand image, BMW apparently had a poor >>understanding or vision of where to take Land Rover. > >IMHO BMW did a pretty good job with Land Rover, sure I was >upset that they stopped selling the Defender, but BMW is in >business to make money and with current U.S. airbag laws >they would not be able to make money selling the Defender >here. Word is that BMW didn't want to sell Land Rover but >had to sell it to get the money to PAY someone to "buy" the >Rover car company (how much would you pay for something that >has been loosing a BILLION dollars a year?). A lot of >people in GB dislike the Irish, but almost all of them >dislike, even hate the Germans (German bombs have killed a >lot more British people than Irish bombs). I heard that BMW >would have liked to just close the Rover car plant, fire all >the workers and focus on building rear wheel drive cars, but >it would have been politically impossible. While BMW owned >Land Rover U.S. sales went from well under 10,000 in 1994 to >about 30,000 in 1999 (I read something at the end of the >year that sales were close to hitting 30K in 1999 after >topping 20K in 1998). > >Kevin Kelly > >Who can't wait to see the new "Eddie Bauer" Range Rover > > > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 18 00:14:53 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19079 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 00:14:53 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000317211610.00952650@mail.castles.com> X-Sender: huston@mail.castles.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 21:16:49 -0800 To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com From: "C. Huston" Subject: Fwd: Land Rover to Ford Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by moab.off-road.com id VAA24732 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Land Rover will go to Ford today >BY >Philip Webster >The Times (London), Mar. 17, 2000 > >LAND ROVER, one of the jewels in the crown of the British motor industry, is >expected to be sold to Ford today. > >The deal with BMW will be the second stage of the breaking up of the Rover >group - after the dumping of the Rover car company - which has changed the >industry beyond recognition and left thousands of jobs in the balance. > >And there were strong suspicions that BMW and Volkswagen could soon merge. > >The chain reaction started yesterday when BMW went back on the deal it agreed >with the Government last year and sold the Rover car company to a >London-based venture company. The new owners, Alchemy Partners, intend to >revive it as the MG Car Company. Production will be scaled down and the >business could be up for sale again within three years. > >Alchemy, a group hitherto known for its deals with a DIY chain and the >restaurant group Fatty Arbuckles, will take over the Longbridge plant in >Birmingham and the Rover and MG brands. BMW will keep the new Mini and switch >production to Cowley, where the company will continue to make the Rover 75 >for Alchemy. BMW will also keep a body-pressing plant at Swindon, but Alchemy >will get the old Mini. Rover cars are expected to take the MG name - >Alchemy's managing partner Jon Moulton said the name Rover had been "badly >tarnished". > >Under the deal, which is expected to take two and a half months to complete, >BMW is thought effectively to have given Rover to Alchemy, assuming >responsibility for up to £2 billion in liabilities as well as the cost of >redundancies in Alchemy's plan. > >Alchemy assured Stephen Byers, the Trade and Industry Secretary, last night >that car production would continue at Longbridge, and while it could give no >indication on the level of redundancies, it made clear that some would be >inevitable. > >The Government, which looked on helplessly and frustrated as the deal was >done, reacted diplomatically in public, but in private ministers were >scathing about the way BMW had kept them in the dark. They believe that a >revolt on the BMW board over the £700 million losses in the past year sealed >Rover's fate; but they also think the move was designed to prepare the >company for a merger with VW. > >Under fire in the Commons, Mr Byers described the announcement as a major >disappointment, saying: "The Government very much regret that BMW has decided >to adopt a different business strategy to the one they had agreed with the >Government." > >The union leaders Bill Morris and Sir Ken Jackson later went to Downing >Street to ask for help from Tony Blair and reported afterwards that the Prime >Minister was as angry as they were. They said he had promised the Government >would move heaven and earth to make sure Alchemy had the resources to do what >it said it would do, and also encourage other buyers to come forward. > >Tony Woodley of the Transport and General Workers' Union, said: "They are >proposing to break up and destroy Rover Cars as we know it and they are >proposing to sell off not only Rover Cars but Land Rover as well, which leads >ultimately to the complete destruction of a once great, proud, British car >manufacturing company. If it turns out that we are treated shoddily and >poorly, we will have to consider blocking BMW outlets." > >Mr Moulton had earlier insisted that staff who remained at the Alchemy plants >would be looked after: "Longbridge will be reduced in size, but not closed. >We are not asset strippers. There will be a reduced workforce, but that >workforce will be in rewarding jobs with security." > >New car map > >* Rover: bought by venture capitalists Alchemy and to be renamed MG Car >Company > >* Old Mini: to be part of MG Car Company > >* New Mini: to stay with BMW > >* Land Rover: expected to be sold to Ford today > >* BMW: to merge with Volkswagen? > >* Rover 75: to be built by BMW for Alchemy . From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 18 01:01:41 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19589 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 01:01:41 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000317215505.006e3c94@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 21:55:05 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Mechanical Seat Adjustments! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kevin Wiser wrote: >If only there was a kit to convert the seat to a simple lever adjustment. My thoughts exactly! My '86 Peugeot 505 Turbo station wagon has seat that have simple mechanical adjustment that does all the same stuff as the electric RR seats, plus has the lumber adjustment that LR stoopidly left out of the RR seats to give me a back ache! Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 18 01:03:22 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19599 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 01:03:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200003180602.WAA00863@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 21:59:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Ford may buy Land Rover X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've had three ford trucks and I was pleased with all of them... A few minor anoyances, but no more than any other vehicle ( in actuallity The origian F350 rotors were to thin and continually warped... but it got upgraded and fixed ) love the PowerStroke! I'll have to say Jag quality is supposed to have improved. Personally I thin BMW "used" Land Rover to suck its brains for the X5??? I have only done the verbal on the Hunter & Hunter as I haven't bumped back into the sales guy ( in my TWO trips to the dealer with issue with the D90 ( 4wd shift linkage is whacked, they thought they fixed it ( it was terminally in 4-hi , now its just in hi ( better ) but can't be shifted ) but, I'd like Sara to have one after this ordeal ( but I don't want a rig manufactured in this interum time period due to moral issue ) Hmmm mayne that So cal D110??? must be low miles/no smoker TomW > I aggree. Hell the plain ol' ford v-8 would be good enough. Drive one of > their new trucks...or maybe with the powerstroke? ;-) > Also, remember Ford has always had the reputation for it's trucks unlike > BMW. Maybe they will be a little more interested in the new defender idea > instead of just making luxo cars for &%$ yuppies! No offense to bmw, but I > am kinda pissed at them for their new look/image! (for the last twenty > years) they used to just be another car manufacture.... > > Paul > > >Looks like the new Range Rover may be based on the Lincoln > > >Navigator rather than the BMW X5. > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1642.. LandRovers tax evasion is a crime, tax avoidance is your right! tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 18 01:39:23 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19618 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 01:39:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200003180637.WAA05289@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 22:35:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: BMW Defender X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ford will be equiping there rigs with two more powerstroke diesel variants in the near future... a smaller V8 powerstroke, and a a 6 banger version, basically to allow compliance with low emisions and low sulfer requirments for diesels Me, I like my big PowerSmoke :) It would eat LR axles for breakfast TomW > > As far as engines are concerned. Ford may have been looking at the TD5. > Seems to have the power of a small v-6, but better much better mileage, > without the normal diesel headaches like noise. The future is going to the > more fuel efficient not withstanding our present hiccup in prices. The TD5 > would make a great engine for the contour. Can see the 'Powered by Rover' > decals on all sorts of Ford Products. > > Aloha > Peter > Kona Coffee Rover > > > > 05:22 PM 3/17/00 -0800, you wrote: > >Jeremy wrote: > > > >>What always surprised me was that for their own intense > >>reliance on brand image, BMW apparently had a poor > >>understanding or vision of where to take Land Rover. > > > >IMHO BMW did a pretty good job with Land Rover, sure I was > >upset that they stopped selling the Defender, but BMW is in > >business to make money and with current U.S. airbag laws > >they would not be able to make money selling the Defender > >here. Word is that BMW didn't want to sell Land Rover but > >had to sell it to get the money to PAY someone to "buy" the > >Rover car company (how much would you pay for something that > >has been loosing a BILLION dollars a year?). A lot of > >people in GB dislike the Irish, but almost all of them > >dislike, even hate the Germans (German bombs have killed a > >lot more British people than Irish bombs). I heard that BMW > >would have liked to just close the Rover car plant, fire all > >the workers and focus on building rear wheel drive cars, but > >it would have been politically impossible. While BMW owned > >Land Rover U.S. sales went from well under 10,000 in 1994 to > >about 30,000 in 1999 (I read something at the end of the > >year that sales were close to hitting 30K in 1999 after > >topping 20K in 1998). > > > >Kevin Kelly > > > >Who can't wait to see the new "Eddie Bauer" Range Rover > > > > > > > > > > > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1642.. LandRovers tax evasion is a crime, tax avoidance is your right! tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 18 01:45:20 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19629 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 01:45:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200003180644.WAA19368@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 22:42:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Hollister Day Trip? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org F&*%ing WORK! This is getting old! and So Am I! TomW > Since I can't make the Mojave Rd. trip, I think I'll give myself a > consolation trip down > to Hollister tomorrow to check out current conditions. Anyone > interested in meeting there > at around 10:00am? (90% likely I'll be there). > > Jeremy > > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1642.. LandRovers tax evasion is a crime, tax avoidance is your right! tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 18 04:03:12 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA19837 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 04:03:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200003180903.BAA08763@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: BMW Selling LR In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 17 Mar 2000 17:22:03 PST." <000201bf9094$e1c978a0$7500000a@kklaptop> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 01:03:09 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <000201bf9094$e1c978a0$7500000a@kklaptop>you wrote: > IMHO BMW did a pretty good job with Land Rover They were in the middle of renumbering all LR parts to the BMW system. And were in the middle of completely absorbing LRNA as an entity into BMW. LR Canada does not exist anymore. The Lanham HQ was to be entirely closed by December (leaving LR U existing). The Lanham HQ is down to less than 50% of the people it had a year ago and most of the rest were looking for jobs since they didn't want to move to NJ. > While BMW owned > Land Rover U.S. sales went from well under 10,000 in 1994 to > about 30,000 in 1999 (I read something at the end of the > year that sales were close to hitting 30K in 1999 after > topping 20K in 1998). Year Sales 1993 4906 1994 12015 1995 19798 1996 15491 1997 23825 1998 ~21000 I don't have 1999 data. Through July they were at 15,697, so a total in the high 20k is to be expected. The bulk in the increase in sales was the Discovery. BMW bought the Rover Group on 31 Jan 1994. Sales of the Disco started in April. I don't think that BMW could have brought a car to the US market that quickly. The bulk of the increase in sales is Disco sales. Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 18 10:17:59 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20018 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 10:17:59 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01bf90ed$2bbe3d80$bb34cbcc@johnbenh> From: "John R. Benham" To: References: <200003180903.BAA08763@blacker.gdbg.org> Subject: unsubscribe Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 07:18:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org unsubscribe I'll be gone for 10 days JB From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 18 10:26:42 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20046 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 10:26:42 -0500 Message-ID: <38D39F6A.7001F92A@slip.net> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 07:23:22 -0800 From: Jeremy Bartlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: BMW Selling LR References: <000201bf9094$e1c978a0$7500000a@kklaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kevin Kelly wrote: > > BMW apparently had a poor > >understanding or vision of where to take Land Rover. > > IMHO BMW did a pretty good job with Land Rover, I agree with that. What I was referring to is long term plans and was based on a discussion I had with a fellow who is (was?) a senior fellow at LR in charge of "brand". He was apparently responsible for liason with BMW and relayed stories of significant head butting between LR and BMW on the future direction of the company with BMW, understandably, having a more "car" oriented focus. What should be particularly interesting is what happens with the Solihull site where BMW had major plans in place (some started) to make the place a basically self supporting location (see Edgerton's articles in LRM) including body panel equipment to feed non-LR vehicles. And what happens to the BMW engined vehicles and the Rover based components (e.g. Freelander)? Should be interesting. Jeremy From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 18 10:49:38 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20077 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 10:49:38 -0500 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200003180644.WAA19368@proxy2.ba.best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 07:45:23 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Russ Wilson Subject: Re: Hollister Day Trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >F&*%ing WORK! ahhhhh but without work you wouldn't have the cash flowing out of every oraface of your body that allows you to buy all of your very cool toys.... Work may suck, but poverty is worse. Russ and Leslie Wilson "Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains." -Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 18 12:35:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20150 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 12:35:37 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 09:40:37 -0800 Subject: Re: NCRC/Children Off Road Outing - Proposal From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jeremy, I am also involved with Child Advocates, a program that looks after kids in "the system". CASAs (court appointed special advocates) like myself might be interested in taking their kids to such an event. Again, just let me know and I'll make some calls to find out. If I didn't say so before, I would like to participate. I am interested in understanding the liabilities however. -->Jeff From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 18 12:57:35 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20169 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 12:57:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200003181756.JAA10569@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: d90@onelist.com Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 09:53:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: warn bumper CC: mendo_recce@fourfold.org X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Does anyone have any experience with the Warn 8274 compatable bumper? or Where can I get one ( NOT 4-wheel parts wholsailers ( overpricers ) ) Thanks *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1642.. LandRovers tax evasion is a crime, tax avoidance is your right! tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 18 13:00:10 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20180 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 13:00:10 -0500 Message-ID: <38D32248.4285CC7D@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 22:29:29 -0800 From: The Brabyns X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bartlett@slip.net CC: "Kerner, Rob" , Gerry Mugele , M Saghafi & C deGuzman , Granville Pool , Tom Walsh , John Brabyn , Bruce Bonar , Zack , John hong , Paul Archibald , Blair Peterson , Walt Swain , Ben Mitchell , Jeff Rogers , john hess , Doug Forehand , Alexander George Cooper , Fil Figueroa , IVAN LAM , jpasichuke , mendo recce Subject: Re: Next NRCR Trail Maintenance References: <38D2AAB3.1A473B3@slip.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I might be able to make it then Jeremy -- I'll keep you posted and thanks for the initiative. Cheers John Jeremy Bartlett wrote: > OK how about next weekend Saturday March 25 for trail clearing up at > mendocino? > I'll run this date by the Forest service and check if clearing is still > needed; I'll probably head > up anyway since it's been too long since I've made it out. Please let > me know if you can make > this. > > Jeremy From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 18 16:01:33 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20311 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 16:01:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200003182100.NAA09657@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 12:58:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Hollister Day Trip? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 07:45:23 -0800 > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > From: Russ Wilson > Subject: Re: Hollister Day Trip? > Reply-to: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >F&*%ing WORK! > ahhhhh but without work you wouldn't have the cash flowing out of every > oraface of your body that allows you to buy all of your very cool toys.... > Work may suck, but poverty is worse. > I have no money flowing out orafices.... I am not even vested yet.. I have only got one discount employee stock sale, which almost brings my salary to what it used to be as a consultant ( at a *normal to low* bay area rate ).... I mostly payed bills with it, bought the FC101 for 16k and the rest goes to taxes ( ~50% of what I earn ) just dues for months of 80+hr weeks.. I am totally physically and emotionally drained ( totally ) I will be living at work in my camper, I haven't rode my bike in 2 months! My boss is pissed, my project leader is never happy ( with anyone ) as far as I can tell.. Oh what fun... The defender was a gift from sister ( Yes I have to pay it back ) The Vehicles on order have cost me $2K... and won't be here till well after 1st vesting.... they are kind of "virtually sanity toys/gifts" Don't get me wrong: Yes I'm super lucky... but IT IS NOT EASY.. I have two engineering degrees ( that was very hard )... I'm so tired now ( and have been for 3 years ) I can't remember shit! your memeory really goes when youre worn out! ( what was I saying?? ) It is a deal with the devil IMHO... to top it off my wife is looking to goto a startup??? She is drained, but jelous.... life will really suck, we have about 4 hrs free a week already ( I think she's nuts! ) TomW, in a pisser of mood, till he gets a few weeks of sleep, working as we speak :( > Russ and Leslie Wilson > > "Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man > who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains." > -Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965) > > > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1642.. LandRovers tax evasion is a crime, tax avoidance is your right! tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 18 16:23:39 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20337 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 16:23:39 -0500 Message-ID: <38D3F3D5.94D0C2F@thelen.org> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 13:23:33 -0800 From: "Christopher H. Dow" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Hollister Day Trip? References: <200003182100.NAA09657@proxy2.ba.best.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [Tom, You are tired, so please don't take this as any kind of flame on you. It's just observation--that's all. I have no intention of being critical of anyone.] This list is pretty weird. It was started to make plans for a trip. The rules have evolved to "whatever we'd talk about around a campfire", according to Ben. I think that's cool. The neat thing is that people from many walks of life get an insight into what others' lives are like. Right now, it's kind of hip to work for an internet startup (or any kind of tech startup). I think it's pretty interesting that venting like Tom just did can shed insight into what that's like for those who haven't been there. Startups are the worst type of gambling (oh, yeah--they are proabably some sort of addiction or maybe even perversion, too). You bet a few years of your life (not counting was is removed from its total by abusing yourself for that time!)--which you lose no matter what. It's like if you always lost the ante at poker. Then, if you win (and again, poker is appropriate here, as it's not just random chance, but that has a lot to do with it), you get some money. Lately the money has been bigger and the odds better, but it hasn't always been that way. Also, the size of the winnings can change almost at random . An example of this is that my company did a 1-for-2 reverse split 2 weeks before IPO--ouch! Our competetors started calling us 1.5dfx--adding insult to injury. Regardless of the return, if you are on the critical path to get the product out the door, you will most asuredly be miserable in a way that I never experienced before or since. If you think Tom is whining, look at this diary: http://www.jwz.org/gruntle/nscpdorm.html This was a guy who worked on the first version of Netscape Navigator and won big. If you read the diary, however, you can see that at the time, he had no idea that would happen. The amount of doubt about what you are doing is truly wrenching. The up side is that you can make some serious money, which can be used to catch up, get a ahead, or in some few instances, cash out. Another thing that can happen is that you get to create a company that lasts a long time and employs lots of people, but alas, that happens less often. Many times at 3dfx, I got the impression that people were a bit peeved because I was in early and made some money there. However, they had no idea about the anguish I felt at watching it all fall apart. Having traded time with friends and family (and trailmates!) for so long in exchange for money alone ended up leaving me with a hollow feeling. The web page above also mentions that. Anyway, we all make our choices, and no one should shed any tears for all those poor silicon valley startup people who are left with only money for their efforts, but it I do feel that Tom's message and Jamie's diary illuminate the phenomenon somewhat differently than the way the news media does right now. C From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 18 17:56:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20414 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 17:56:37 -0500 Message-ID: <38D408C0.CF04FA9@slip.net> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 14:52:48 -0800 From: Jeremy Bartlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kerner, Rob" CC: "'The Brabyns '" , "'Gerry Mugele '" , "'M Saghafi & C deGuzman '" , "'Granville Pool '" , "'Tom Walsh '" , "'John Brabyn '" , "'Bruce Bonar '" , "'Zack '" , "'John hong '" , "'Paul Archibald '" , "'Blair Peterson '" , "'Walt Swain '" , "'Ben Mitchell '" , "'Jeff Rogers '" , "'john hess '" , "'Doug Forehand '" , "'Alexander George Cooper '" , "'Fil Figueroa '" , "'IVAN LAM '" , "'jpasichuke '" , mendo recce Subject: Re: Next NRCR Trail Maintenance References: <16D03631929FD311BC5D009027D0CBB21756BB@vegmail.ucdavis.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "Kerner, Rob" wrote: > Jeremy right now I am leaning towards making the Snow run, so I probably > won't be able to make it, and my chain saw is sad. No problem. I'll bail on the snow run myself since I'm keen to keep up a good reputation with the FS and help out (this helps on the rally a lot I think). However, I have no intention of drawing people off the snow run (hope it's fun). I'm just under a bit of pressure to keep up with the FS. They say they've cleared 21 themselves but still would like help soon with 02. Since this is usually a bit better than 21 we should be OK with a small group and I can probably even tackle it myself over the weekend and get some rally routes scouted.. Jeremy From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 18 18:54:13 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20440 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 18:54:13 -0500 From: SFmms@aol.com Message-ID: <1a.15554e0.26057104@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 18:53:40 EST Subject: Re: Career venting plus To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Christopher Dow wrote: << but it I do feel that Tom's message and Jamie's diary illuminate the phenomenon somewhat differently than the way the news media does right now.>> Sometime we all seem to lose our perspective about the relative value of things, especially here in the hyper career driven US. At my aerospace company, there are so many cases of heart attacks that we are referred to by the local hospitals as the "Coronary Club". (It seems to take a heart attack before some people remember they have a family life too). Then there is the "age 50" phenomena where at age 50 you spend your work week worrying whether you will be laid off because you may have reached a higher pay range or because you are perceived to have obsolete technical skills (usually not true). However, no support is given for attending technical conferences or courses, at the present time we would have to take vacation time or time with out pay and pay the fees pay out of pocket and they are no longer tax deductible. Add to the above pressures the company's attempts to bring in lower payed green carded technical workers (don't worry our congressmen will help the company out) and we have morale in the sewer while we are supposed to increase efficiency and productivity after another round of layoffs (i.e., do the jobs formerly done by 2 or 3 others). Our only hope is to educate the next generation in the personal worth of a well rounded life. Businesses have to understand that well balanced employees can work as productively (if not more) and probably incur fewer stress related illnesses which cause them to miss work and cost more. Sorry to ramble on too. I guess I just drive around in a Series LR because it is a symbol of something slower and more simple. Karen Sindir '74 SIII 88 Red Rufy '95 Disco EFE '66 SIIa 88 "No one who was dying ever said they wished they had spent more time at work." From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 18 19:58:22 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20478 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 19:58:22 -0500 Message-ID: <38D42565.BC27CE69@slip.net> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 16:55:01 -0800 From: Jeremy Bartlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Career venting plus References: <1a.15554e0.26057104@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org SFmms@aol.com wrote: > Our only hope is to educate the next generation in the personal worth of a > well rounded life. Or alternatively find a career or company that values what you do. Jeremy From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 18 20:10:24 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20493 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:10:24 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: daver@pop.idiom.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200003182123.QAA20344@guinness.ovlr.org> References: <200003182123.QAA20344@guinness.ovlr.org> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 17:10:37 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: David Ray Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #85 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, I'm a new member lurking this list and this is my first post. I want to inquire about some mods I'm thinking about doing to a 1990 RR. It's a stock Rover now, I'm thinking about replacing the shocks, springs, get higher tires, perhaps change out the engine in a couple years a 3.6L (?). Also want to get some off-road accessories that I've been having trouble finding: trailer hitched gasoline can carriers, removing rear seats to customize the back compartment, a better roof rack (the latter I have done some research on). My trips are starting in May so now's the time for me to do it. I hope to meet some of you at an event sometime. I've been 4-wheeling for a few years but nothing adventurous compared to what I read about here :-) I go to Moab and Telluride every year and drive around in the jeep trails above Ouray and Telluride, also have off-roaded a bit north of clear lake. The RR doesn't perform like the original RR or Defender, my car macho feels a little wimpy by talking about an RR on this list :-) Cheers- Dave Ray daver@idiom.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 18 23:08:19 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20601 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 23:08:19 -0500 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: <77.24cad12.2605ac87@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 23:07:35 EST Subject: It's a small world afterall...... To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org, roncyrier@maxatc.com, anieto@mofo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jump back to 1997: The scene is Mexico. After leaving Villahermosa, our small group consisting of Ron/Lisa in a Defender, Armando and myself/my father drove towards the Belize border. After several stops at various ruins, our destination was a hotel that we had heard about near the Belize border. The Hotel Laguna in Bacalar. When we finally located this place, we were all very tired but we did get the last two rooms. My father and I were sharing a room with Armando and Ron/Lisa were in anther. The rooms were sparse too. After we got the lizard out of our room and Ron/Lisa got rid of the ants (?), we were set. We managed to get something to eat before the restaurant shut down and then we sat outside drinking beer. The night was cool, the lagoon was calm and the conversation was excellent. That night was one of the best on the trip. Cut to today: I was at the hamshack at the AZ Science Center today where I volunteer at the hamshack. Besides contacts into the Philippines, Japan, Italy, Argentina, and Australia, I heard a ham calling from Mexico. Her name is Elsa and I've heard her on the radio before. She is an older lady and is very friendly and polite. She lives in Progresso on the Yucatan peninsula. I called her back and we starting talking. One of the things we talked about was our trip to Belize. I recounted pretty much the same story as above. I recalled the fond memories of our stay at this hotel too. From my description of the hotel, she asked if it was the Hotel Laguna in Bacalar. Yes..... I told her that I think that was the place. You can imagine my surprise when Elsa told that her parents own that hotel! Cheers, Gerry Elam PHX AZ From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 18 23:17:01 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20614 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 23:17:01 -0500 Message-ID: <38D45514.C0370B82@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:18:28 -0800 From: "Franklin H. Yap" X-Sender: "Franklin H. Yap" <@mail.earthlink.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-FLASHNET (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Hollister Day Trip? (No LR Content) References: <200003182100.NAA09657@proxy2.ba.best.com> <38D3F3D5.94D0C2F@thelen.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "Christopher H. Dow" wrote: > > ... > Anyway, we all make our choices, and no one should shed any tears for > all those poor silicon valley startup people who are left with only > money for their efforts, but it I do feel that Tom's message and Jamie's > diary illuminate the phenomenon somewhat differently than the way the > news media does right now. > I'm not sure how the news media portray it (glamorous?), but I grew up knowing many people who held multiple jobs - sometimes working 6-1/2 days a week for many, many years - just to make ends meet ... and nothing to show for it at the end of their life. It's hard working all your life for minimum (and often times less) wage. At least with start-up companies they pay a living wage with the possibility of hitting the jackpot. Many people work several jobs simultaneously just to get a marginal living wage. Frank From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 18 23:22:31 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20627 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 23:22:31 -0500 Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:12:25 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Career venting plus In-Reply-To: <38D42565.BC27CE69@slip.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Sat, 18 Mar 2000, Jeremy Bartlett wrote: > SFmms@aol.com wrote: > > > Our only hope is to educate the next generation in the personal worth of a > > well rounded life. > > Or alternatively find a career or company that values what you do. Motto where I work: "We may not make much money, but we sure have fun." On bad days it is, "We don't know what we are doing, but we sure have fun." From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 18 23:55:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20645 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 23:55:27 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000318190330.009c69e0@hgea01.hgea.org> X-Sender: ogilvi@hgea01.hgea.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 19:03:30 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie Subject: Re: Using wire brushes on galvanizing In-Reply-To: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A2CC@RCEXS2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Seem to read about a lot people using steel wire brushes/wheels. Just a word of caution. The steel brushes leave minute amounts of potentially rusty steel on any surface they are used on. Tried it on a piece of stainless and had to constantly polish it for nearly a year before all the steel bits rusted away. Assume the problem would come with using a steel brush on galvanizing. Suggest you use steel wire brushes on parts that are going to be painted. Try and match the wire of the brush with the metal being attacked in other cases. The scotch brite wheels really well at removing paint, by the way. Aloha Peter Kona Coffee Rover At 08:50 AM 2/24/00 -0700, you wrote: >Well, the footage of the Rozwell "alien autopsy" on some Travel Channel >program last evening got me inspired to begin the process on the 109 >bulkhead. I took all the measurements I could from both sides and confirmed >my suspicions about the displacement of the DS upper door hinge. > >Next came the wire cup on the angle grinder to remove paint and confirm that >I'd need more metal than just the stems to put things back to rights. There >are a number of cracks around the wing mounting tab and that area of the >front of the bulkhead. Luckily these are in an easy area to get to and fix. >Surprisingly, the door hinge bolts came out easilly, leaving the nut plates >in very good shape and reusable. Lots of spot weld drilling, and a little >judicious work with the cut-off wheel in the die grinder have the old stem >almost free. Fascinating stuff! > >One disappointment was that on close examination of the replacement stems, I >find that they DO NOT have a complete lip for the door seal. On the >original stem, there's about a 1/2" wide area where the seal attaches, and >then a maybe, 1/16" lip bent back toward the outside of the truck. The >replacement stem has only a 3/8" wide lip with a somewhat curvy edge. No >lip at all. > >My question is for Joe Mulqueen (or any others who have done this). Did the >stems you got have the full seal seating area with the lip, or did you have >to fab a separate piece for this area? The pictures of the stems on the >Land Rover Super Market page don't show this area of the stem. I got mine >from BP, but I'm not sure who made them. > >I have a few picces of the work thus far, if anyone's interested, let me >know. > >-Dave G. > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 19 03:50:35 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21333 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 03:50:35 -0500 To: lro@playground.sun.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cc: Freyavangoolen@hotmail.com, khollestelle@hotmail.com, Ian.S.MUNRO@British-Airways.com, tulipa@pandora.be Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 00:48:31 -0800 Subject: Re: X-Files/Mojave Road run Message-ID: <20000319.005049.-182779.13.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,6-7,13-14,21-22,29-30,32-35,37-51 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just got back from Mojave Road run: Uh...if it's the first episode of the current season, then YES!!!!!!! The one that Luis spoke of with brakes locked up - that was my truck!!! (sand color, 109 regular, full hardtop) It's the most prominent of vehicles used in that one. BTW - for those that are local to the Mojave Road run - and missed it - LOOSERS!!!!! I only did half the run because of my personal schedule the next few weeks, but it was a blast! At one point, I thought I had my diesel laying on its side in a 5-foot wide crevice, but I made it through, and as it turned out, I didn't even scratch the paint, let alone tip the truck over! I got to the beginning of the trail an hour after the run started (Matt was with me, as was another friend of his and his wifes', in a Nissan Ex-Terra...impressive handling vehicle, I must say - having been skeptical of it), and caught upto them at U.S. 95, after having chased them down at speeds up to 30-40mph! In all, I did about 60-65 miles off-road today - I bailed out at the Kelso-Cima Rd. junction, and brought Ron and myself, back here. Best part was my mileage: Compton-Van Nuys-Barstow, on one 12 gallon tank! Barstow-Needles on 1/2 a tank! 18 gallons total to get there - I was carrying 32 gallons on me! I made the run on a 1/4 tank, transferred fuel from the aux. tank on the way home, then used 1 Jerrycan at Ron's house - for good measure. I averaged 20mpg, at aspeeds sometimes holding at 70-75 mph at 4000rpms, as well as running under 2500rpm off road for 65 miles! Ben! Nick! What happened to you two???(well, we know what happened to Ben) Charles On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 22:01:07 -0000 "Frank Elson" writes: > > Charles Baby, you out there? > In the UK on cable for Sunday the tv listing for the new X-Files > says Scully > is in Africa - is this the one with your LR in? > > Best Cheers > > Frank "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagh. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 19 12:05:48 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21902 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 12:05:48 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000319.005049.-182779.13.cirvin1258@juno.com> References: <20000319.005049.-182779.13.cirvin1258@juno.com> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 08:56:51 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: john hess Subject: Re: X-Files/Mojave Road run Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >BTW - for those that are local to the Mojave Road run - and missed it - >LOOSERS!!!!! I only did half the run because of my personal schedule the Hey Charles, thanks for sugar coating it for us!!! The Mojave Rd and some of the areas around Bishop are areas I want to see but this weekend was Katherine's b-day and she didn't want to drive from Davis to AZ and back for a weekend. For a hint of what I am interested in around Bishop, here's an URL: http://mammothweb.com/sierraweb/sightseeing/vtable.html And hopefully, TeriAnn will do all the legwork and the whole Hess clan can go on another AZ trip. Maybe Canyon De Chelly, up into Utah for Canyonlands and other parks thereabouts? glad you enjoyed it, cheers, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 19 12:05:49 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21903 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 12:05:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <38D45514.C0370B82@earthlink.net> References: <200003182100.NAA09657@proxy2.ba.best.com> <38D3F3D5.94D0C2F@thelen.org> <38D45514.C0370B82@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 09:03:01 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: john hess Subject: Re: Hollister Day Trip? (No LR Content) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >At least with start-up companies they pay a living wage with the >possibility of hitting the jackpot. Many people work several jobs >simultaneously just to get a marginal living wage. > >Frank ahh Franklin, compassion for the fellow man. The Bee just did a story on folks with several jobs, or working full time who are homeless in the Silicon Valley, riding Bus 22 all night for a place to sleep. Sometimes I think I missed several boats: not buying a house in Davis in 1981-2, not buying in East Palo Alto when I was a postdoc at Stanford in 1986-1990 and then buying at the peak of the market in Davis in 1990. But, I have a job that give me free time when I need it, and we have a pleasant little house with lots of blessings. I think everyone on the list has a lot of thanks to give. We've certainly all got enough free time/money to deal with Land Rovers! John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 19 14:51:45 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00350 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 14:51:45 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01bf91b8$d5c60e40$cb4b0740@baggarly.com> From: "Nick C. Baggarly" To: References: <20000319.005049.-182779.13.cirvin1258@juno.com> Subject: Re: X-Files/Mojave Road run Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 09:35:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Ben! Nick! What happened to you two???(well, we know what happened to > Ben) > > Charles We packed on Friday afternoon but I decided to wait until early morning to leave so I could sleep off the remnants of a cold that began on Tuesday. On Saturday morning Chanda and I decided we'd try another catch up mission and meet everyone half way (it worked last time). We made it to the junction of 5 and 198 (Harris Ranch) but the flu took a turn for the worse so we headed back. We were bummed. Nick From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 19 14:55:45 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00479 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 14:55:45 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 09:52:19 -0800 Subject: Re: X-Files/Mojave Road run Message-ID: <20000319.100308.-182779.18.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,7-8,10-14,16-54 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry John, but I couldn't help it: it was my first off-road trip in which I had the chance to do some serious damage to the truck! It was mostly flat trails/lotsa rocks to look out for, but that one section...wow. (there MUST have been another way round, because a J**P club was out there too - one Cherokee even had a trailer, and they made it through behind us!) The entire run was done in high on the transfer box, so it was pretty easy. I figure after driving all the way up to Mendo last year - only to get there just as the last run was starting, I deserve it. Charles P.S. Time permitting, I'll probably be taking more runs out there. On Sun, 19 Mar 2000 08:56:51 -0800 john hess writes: > >BTW - for those that are local to the Mojave Road run - and missed > it - > >LOOSERS!!!!! I only did half the run because of my personal > schedule the > > > > > Hey Charles, thanks for sugar coating it for us!!! > > The Mojave Rd and some of the areas around Bishop are areas I want > to > see but this weekend was Katherine's b-day and she didn't want to > drive from Davis to AZ and back for a weekend. > > For a hint of what I am interested in around Bishop, here's an URL: > http://mammothweb.com/sierraweb/sightseeing/vtable.html > > > And hopefully, TeriAnn will do all the legwork and the whole Hess > clan can go on another AZ trip. Maybe Canyon De Chelly, up into > Utah > for Canyonlands and other parks thereabouts? > > glad you enjoyed it, cheers, > > > > John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us > Land Rover Dormobile web pages: > http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html > 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" > 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 19 16:46:13 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00531 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 16:46:13 -0500 Message-ID: <03f501bf91d7$b0b65a00$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: <20000319.005049.-182779.13.cirvin1258@juno.com> Subject: Re: Mojave Road run Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 09:16:55 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >BTW - for those that are local to the Mojave Road run - and missed it - >LOOSERS!!!!! I only did half the run because of my personal schedule the Soooo.... any runs scheduled for May? Any place in the LA/Ventura area to rent a Rover? Failing that any problems attending an event in a rented 4x4 from another manufacturer? Would love to get out while home for a visit at the end of the semester but am not going to spend 1700$ for a round trip ticket for my Rover. Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 19 17:13:53 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00581 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:13:53 -0500 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 15:20:21 EST Subject: Re: Mojave Road run To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/19/2000 12:54:18 PM US Mountain Standard Time, phope@hawaii.rr.com writes: << any runs scheduled for May? >> Well, hopefully I'll be ready for a Mojave trip much sooner than April. Seems like there's enough interest too. Takers? Cheers, Gerry From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 19 17:40:18 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00591 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:40:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200003192043.MAA03286@wizard.sp.gap.com> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 12:43:46 -0800 (PST) From: John Young Subject: Re: BMW Selling LR To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: O8wcKfOLYngtjXsbRuMmmg== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.3.3 SunOS 5.7 sun4u sparc Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I hope I am not late/redundant with this. Digest-mode, ya know... Ben supplied: > Year Sales > 1993 4906 > 1994 12015 > 1995 19798 > 1996 15491 > 1997 23825 > 1998 ~21000 > > I don't have 1999 data. Through July they were at 15,697, so a total > in the high 20k is to be expected. The bulk in the increase in sales was > the Discovery. BMW bought the Rover Group on 31 Jan 1994. Sales of the > Disco started in April. I don't think that BMW could have brought a car > to the US market that quickly. The bulk of the increase in sales is Disco > sales. Right on the money. According to LRW (April 2000 issue): 1998 21,422 1999 29,380 (up 37 percent) I assume the drop from 1997 to 1998 above was the loss of a NAS Defender? I would guess that the introduction of the Disco II helped obtain the 37 percent increase, as well as some rather nice Range Rover models (AND the healthy US economy - if our economy wasn't doing so well, I bet these numbers would tell a different story!). In the same issue, for 1999 UK sales we see: Freelander almost 18,000 Defender 5,176 Discovery II 10,379 Range Rover 3,783 When the Freelander becomes available in the US, and IF the Defender does/were as well, I would imagine the ratios would be similar. Considering the development time and such for automobiles, it is interesting to consider how much influence BMW actually had on the vehicles themselves. I assume cycles are shorter these days, but it used to take something like four years or so to design and put together a new model. Didn't BMW buy Rover somewhere around 1996? -John Young 1999 Discovery Series II, ACE, SLS, Java Black From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 19 17:46:51 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00601 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:46:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200003192050.MAA03336@wizard.sp.gap.com> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 12:50:20 -0800 (PST) From: John Young Subject: Re: BMW Selling LR To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: OI5ttlfoM812kvgfHAmpnw== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.3.3 SunOS 5.7 sun4u sparc Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jeremy said: > to feed non-LR vehicles. And what happens to the BMW engined vehicles > and the > Rover based components (e.g. Freelander)? Should be interesting. Yeah, I was wondering about the brain in my DII (engine management). It's supposedly out of a BMW 7xx. While I know that a certain amount of the OBD II stuff is government mandated/regulated, I wonder about anything proprietary? It's probably nothing exotic, though (or anything that couldn't be reverse-engineered anyway). -John Young 1999 Discovery Series II, ACE, SLS, Java Black From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 19 18:46:54 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00623 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:46:54 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 13:53:59 -0800 Subject: Re: Mojave Road run Message-ID: <20000319.135400.-182779.21.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Possibly... Charles On Sun, 19 Mar 2000 15:20:21 EST GElam30092@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 3/19/2000 12:54:18 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > phope@hawaii.rr.com writes: > > << any runs scheduled for May? >> > > Well, hopefully I'll be ready for a Mojave trip much sooner than > April. > Seems like there's enough interest too. Takers? > Cheers, > Gerry "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 19 19:00:58 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00634 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 19:00:58 -0500 Message-ID: <005d01bf91ef$bd439f40$7500000a@kklaptop> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: ATF Flushing Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 09:49:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Some shops including Jiffy Lube now offer a service that flushes a tranny (including the torque converter) of old ATF and replaces it with new stuff. I am thinking about having this done, but I don't trust Jiffy Lube (or any of the other quick lube places). Does anyone know a real mechanic in the Bay Area that does this. Kevin Kelly From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 19 21:27:49 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00673 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 21:27:49 -0500 Message-ID: <38D5726E.AB6C00A5@slip.net> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 16:35:59 -0800 From: Mehdi and Christine X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Hollister Day Trip? (No LR Content) References: <200003182100.NAA09657@proxy2.ba.best.com> <38D3F3D5.94D0C2F@thelen.org> <38D45514.C0370B82@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > I think everyone on the list has a lot of thanks to give. We've > certainly all got enough free time/money to deal with Land Rovers! Amen Mehdi From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 19 21:36:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00684 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 21:36:21 -0500 Message-ID: <20000320004324.27746.qmail@web1610.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 16:43:24 -0800 (PST) From: "R. Rowe" Subject: 90 RR, no start at the Carwash To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ok, what's up with this? It ran fine all day until I left it at the vacuum station. At the end of the carwash I looked over at the towel guy struggling to get it off the line. I thought he was flooding it, so I had them push it to where they dry it. I let it sit for a little bit. It was turning over but seemed like it wasn't getting gas. Then it started roughly and ran for a few seconds and died. Oh well, had to have it towed home, on the way added gas just in case. This morning still nothing. What to do? Did something get wet? Did something go out coincidentally? Plz help. Stuck in Fremont, CA. Randy R. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 19 22:09:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00708 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 22:09:21 -0500 Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:06:20 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 90 RR, no start at the Carwash In-Reply-To: <20000320004324.27746.qmail@web1610.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The exact same thing happened to me at the car wash. Water got somewhere it wasn't supposed to. After 1/2 hour, it dried out and restarted. On Sun, 19 Mar 2000, R. Rowe wrote: > Ok, what's up with this? It ran fine all day until I left it at the > vacuum station. At the end of the carwash I looked over at the towel > guy struggling to get it off the line. I thought he was flooding it, so > I had them push it to where they dry it. I let it sit for a little bit. > It was turning over but seemed like it wasn't getting gas. Then it > started roughly and ran for a few seconds and died. Oh well, had to > have it towed home, on the way added gas just in case. This morning > still nothing. What to do? > Did something get wet? > Did something go out coincidentally? Plz help. Stuck in Fremont, CA. > > Randy R. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 19 22:59:12 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00755 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 22:59:12 -0500 Message-ID: <005101bf9210$d378bae0$5c3377d8@delllap> From: "Paul Archibald" To: References: <20000320004324.27746.qmail@web1610.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: 90 RR, no start at the Carwash Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:05:53 -0800 Organization: P. A. Design X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Randy, As james said, it prolly was just the ol water getting where it shouldn't, but........ It could be one of those darn Bosch relays. remember you have a few of them under the seats, and can always attempt to switch them around to see if the fuel one wend bad as mine did a few years ago when I had the rangie...gotta find where the silly thing is on the disco soon......just in case! You do have the repair manuals right? If not, I have the european ones which are more heplfull and being that I too am in fremont... ;-) Just let me know.. Paul 510-657-9637 ----- Original Message ----- From: R. Rowe To: Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2000 4:43 PM Subject: 90 RR, no start at the Carwash > Ok, what's up with this? It ran fine all day until I left it at the > vacuum station. At the end of the carwash I looked over at the towel > guy struggling to get it off the line. I thought he was flooding it, so > I had them push it to where they dry it. I let it sit for a little bit. > It was turning over but seemed like it wasn't getting gas. Then it > started roughly and ran for a few seconds and died. Oh well, had to > have it towed home, on the way added gas just in case. This morning > still nothing. What to do? > Did something get wet? > Did something go out coincidentally? Plz help. Stuck in Fremont, CA. > > Randy R. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 19 23:48:35 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00776 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 23:48:35 -0500 From: "Worldwide Rovers" To: "Mendo_Recce@Moab. Off-Road." Subject: Series III 109 rear spring attachment points. Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:50:36 -0800 Message-ID: <000001bf9217$11cfd700$e82d0dce@com.humboldt1.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Help.............. I need rear springs on my newly arrived 1975 109", but because it has been modified (Toyota 3.0 litre diesel, trans & t-case)I'm not sure if they also fooled with the rear springs. I'm used to an 88" and with them the spring attachment points are on the main chassis rails that run fore & aft. With this 109 the rear springs attach to outriggers welded to the main chassis - on the outside. Is this correct? The parts manuals don't show 109 chassis. Also - how do I tell if I have a Salisbury rearend? The rearend has a rear cover that could be unbolted to inspect/change(?) the diff. Thanks, Clark Bowen From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 20 00:53:41 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01509 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 00:53:41 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000319180027.009ba640@hgea01.hgea.org> X-Sender: ogilvi@hgea01.hgea.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:00:27 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie Subject: Re: Series III 109 rear spring attachment points. In-Reply-To: <000001bf9217$11cfd700$e82d0dce@com.humboldt1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Outboard mounting of rear springs is how they did it on the 109. As far as the diff, its certainly not a standard Rover diff as these have a pressed/welded in steel back plate. If no one else responds, ask TAW, she converted hers to the Salisbury. There is also a remote chance of being an ENV but hear that is a way big affair. Aloha Peter Kona Coffee Rover I'm used to an 88" and with them the spring >attachment points are on the main chassis rails that run fore & aft. With >this 109 the rear springs attach to outriggers welded to the main chassis - >on the outside. Is this correct? The parts manuals don't show 109 chassis. >Also - how do I tell if I have a Salisbury rearend? The rearend has a rear >cover that could be unbolted to inspect/change(?) the diff. >Clark Bowen From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 20 00:59:36 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01541 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 00:59:36 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:05:37 -0800 Subject: Re: Series III 109 rear spring attachment points. Message-ID: <20000319.200643.-182779.23.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-6,8-36 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Clark, Sounds to me like everything is where it should be - 'cept for the Toyota engine/trans! Charles On Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:50:36 -0800 "Worldwide Rovers" writes: > Help.............. > > I need rear springs on my newly arrived 1975 109", but because it > has been > modified (Toyota 3.0 litre diesel, trans & t-case)I'm not sure if > they also > fooled with the rear springs. I'm used to an 88" and with them the > spring > attachment points are on the main chassis rails that run fore & aft. > With > this 109 the rear springs attach to outriggers welded to the main > chassis - > on the outside. Is this correct? The parts manuals don't show 109 > chassis. > Also - how do I tell if I have a Salisbury rearend? The rearend has > a rear > cover that could be unbolted to inspect/change(?) the diff. > > Thanks, > > > Clark Bowen > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 20 01:06:34 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA01554 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 01:06:34 -0500 Message-ID: <006d01bf9222$d4ce5aa0$7500000a@kklaptop> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: 1990 Range Rover Mods Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 14:44:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org David Ray wrote: >I'm a new member lurking this list and this is my first >post. I want to inquire about some mods I'm thinking >about doing to a 1990 RR. It's a stock Rover now, >I'm thinking about replacing the shocks, springs, get >higher tires, perhaps change out the engine in a couple >years a 3.6L (?). A bone stock 1990 Range Rover can go more places than most people realize. Unless you are planning to go down the long expensive road of turning it in to a serious off roader I would keep it stock. I've been getting two Land Rover lists a day for 5 years now and I can't remember hearing about a stock Range Rover snapping an axle (which is a big deal since there are not many stock Series Land Rovers that have NOT snapped an axle). Putting bigger tires on a 1990 Land Rover with the (weak) old style 10 spine axles adds a lot of strain (add a locker with the bigger tires and you will be lucky to make it all day). The reason Land Rover made the Range Rover full time four wheel drive is to split the power between two axles because the 1970 135 hp 3.5L Rover V8 was snapping axles in 2 wheel drive. Taller heavy duty springs will give a little better approach and departure angles, but often reduce articulation and hurt overall off road performance. Since I spend more time on road than off I'd rather just pull off the front spoiler and drag my trailer hitch every once in a while than to have a center of gravity an inch higher (making it easier to roll) every day. Kevin Kelly 1989 Range Rover with problem free stock drivetrain From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 20 01:29:49 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA01583 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 01:29:49 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:32:34 -0800 To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com From: Russ Wilson Subject: Long Beach GP Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Is anyone on the list interested in attending the Long Beach GP on Sunday April 16th?? My wife can't go, Ben is going to be in Texas and Charles will be in Australia.... My cat just isn't that interested in cars, so I thought I'd see if anyone on the list was interested in going. $35 for a race day only, general admission ticket. I have one friend who wants to go with me, but these events are always more fun with a group of people. Just a thought...... later Russ and Leslie Wilson "Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains." -Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 20 02:12:14 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01641 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 02:12:14 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000319211241.006d9910@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 21:12:41 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Re: Series III 109 rear spring attachment points. In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000319180027.009ba640@hgea01.hgea.org> References: <000001bf9217$11cfd700$e82d0dce@com.humboldt1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Peter Ogilvie wrote: >Outboard mounting of rear springs is how they did it on the 109. As far as >the diff, its certainly not a standard Rover diff as these have a >pressed/welded in steel back plate. If no one else responds, ask TAW, she >converted hers to the Salisbury. There is also a remote chance of being an >ENV but hear that is a way big affair. I saw it. It's definitely not an ENV. One of my 109s had an ENV. This was certainly smaller and shaped differently. It's been a long time since I took a good look at a Salisbury but it seemed to me to look different from that, too. Wasn't your kind of squarish looking, Clark? Hmmm, now I don't remember, Clark: Does the input flange appear to be centered vertically in the diff? Or is it below center? I'm wondering if it could be a Toyota HiLux diff or a Jack MacNamara conversion. It appeared to have Rover brakes and hubs but it seems to me that the diff was less off-center than a normal LR rear axle, whether Sali or otherwise. Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 20 02:45:19 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01658 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 02:45:19 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 21:57:43 -0800 Subject: NCRC Snow Run From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello All. This is a quick mail to let everyone know that the NCRC has a trip coming up next weekend. John Baudendistel will be leading us through the Tahoe National Forest near Emigrant Gap. The weather looks like its going to be great and this area has awesome scenery and trails. See http://www.sfo.com/~jrogers/ncrc/snowrun2000/ for details... From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 20 02:55:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01670 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 02:55:08 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: 90 RR, no start at the Carwash Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 22:10:53 -0800 Message-ID: <000201bf9233$0c75d720$b205193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <20000320004324.27746.qmail@web1610.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org My '87 did this years ago (when I still had it!) and it was the engine starter relay under the hood under the silly 'unwaterproof' relay cover. I pulled my relay apart, dried it and reassembled. I then sealed the relay with silicon sealant. Hope your's is the same problem. Later, Kelly Minnick > > > Ok, what's up with this? It ran fine all day until I left it at the > vacuum station. At the end of the carwash I looked over at the towel > guy struggling to get it off the line. I thought he was flooding it, so > I had them push it to where they dry it. I let it sit for a little bit. > It was turning over but seemed like it wasn't getting gas. Then it > started roughly and ran for a few seconds and died. Oh well, had to > have it towed home, on the way added gas just in case. This morning > still nothing. What to do? > Did something get wet? > Did something go out coincidentally? Plz help. Stuck in Fremont, CA. > > Randy R. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 20 03:30:56 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01688 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 03:30:56 -0500 Message-ID: <38D5C78A.63BEFB11@slip.net> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 22:39:06 -0800 From: Mehdi and Christine X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: sigting References: <200003192050.MAA03336@wizard.sp.gap.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I saw a very nice yellow RHD SIII on Telegraph Ave today, driven by a young blond woman in her 20's. Tire was mounted inside and had a white shell on it with new license plates. Mehdi From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 20 04:23:16 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA01871 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 04:23:16 -0500 From: "Worldwide Rovers" To: Subject: 109 rear spring attachments Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 23:25:28 -0800 Message-ID: <000001bf923d$77a314e0$e7d04dd1@com.humboldt1.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200003200606.BAA01561@guinness.ovlr.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks Peter and Charles for the quick answers. Glad to hear that area looks stock. Clark Bowen From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 20 04:29:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA01883 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 04:29:04 -0500 Message-ID: <38D5D53A.43F57BDC@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 23:37:30 -0800 From: "Franklin H. Yap" X-Sender: "Franklin H. Yap" <@mail.earthlink.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-FLASHNET (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Bolts for front series hubs References: <000201bf9233$0c75d720$b205193f@minnick> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kelly Minnick wrote: > > ... Hi Kelly, Where did you buy the bolts for your (now Mehdi's) S3 front hubs? They look like standard Grade 5 bolts. Frank From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 20 04:38:44 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA01894 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 04:38:44 -0500 From: SFmms@aol.com Message-ID: <64.1226c1e.2607310a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 02:45:14 EST Subject: Re: May run To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Perter Hope wrote: << any runs scheduled for May? >> May be a repeat of the run Charles was on with a few Rovers mixed with J**ps. Let me know and I'll ask about rentals for you, since I'm in the LA area. Karen Sindir '74 SIII 88 Red Rufy '95 Disco EFE '66 SIIa 88 - needs TLC, will try to get ready for the above. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 20 12:17:06 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02326 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:17:06 -0500 Message-ID: <38D641CD.621E3783@slip.net> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 07:20:45 -0800 From: Jeremy Bartlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: BMW Selling LR References: <200003192050.MAA03336@wizard.sp.gap.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John Young wrote: > Yeah, I was wondering about the brain in my DII (engine > management). It's supposedly out of a BMW 7xx. It's Bosch motronic. I wonder if LR will eventually move away from Bosch now. Jeremy From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 20 13:09:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02411 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:09:00 -0500 From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:15:54 -0800 Message-ID: <000001bf9287$922fa720$9672a8c0@gbp.dot.co.mendocino.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Do you like the Defender 110 but wish it were leaf-sprung? Take a look at Santana's latest offering: http://www.ticonsole.nl/santana/ps-10.htm Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 20 13:21:33 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02454 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:21:33 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:25:14 -0800 Subject: Re: May run Message-ID: <20000320.082827.-182779.25.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4,9-31 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org May??? I "may" even be around to go on that one! Perhaps this time, I'll do the entire run - dependand on wether or not I'm working again. Enterprise used to rent Discos several years back, but they stopped...dunno if they got any more or not. In '95-'96 (I think), they were the only folks that rented them - was something like $55.00/day. I think there's an exotic car rental place in Beverly Hills that still rents them, along with 4.6HSE's. Charles On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 02:45:14 EST SFmms@aol.com writes: > Perter Hope wrote: > > << any runs scheduled for May? >> > > May be a repeat of the run Charles was on with a few Rovers mixed > with J**ps. > Let me know and I'll ask about rentals for you, since I'm in the LA > area. > > Karen Sindir > '74 SIII 88 Red Rufy > '95 Disco EFE > '66 SIIa 88 - needs TLC, will try to get ready for the above. "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 20 13:22:02 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02464 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:22:02 -0500 From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: RE: ... Oops! Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:28:53 -0800 Message-ID: <000301bf9289$62261120$9672a8c0@gbp.dot.co.mendocino.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry about my forgetting to put in a subject! Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 20 13:30:50 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02476 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:30:50 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000320083447.00849400@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:34:47 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: Santana pwr steering In-Reply-To: <000001bf9287$922fa720$9672a8c0@gbp.dot.co.mendocino.ca.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 08:15 AM 3/20/2000 -0800, you wrote: >Do you like the Defender 110 but wish it were leaf-sprung? Take a look at >Santana's latest offering: >http://www.ticonsole.nl/santana/ps-10.htm >Cheers, >Granny Hi, The top view of the frame and the description of the power steering sounds suspiciously like my Scout II saginaw conversion that I made for Sherman and is now spreading around the world. Even if this isn't a copy, I've gotten requests from several owners in Europe. I wonder if they used a Saginaw box? I shoulda made a kit 10 years ago when I first didit. Bob B From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 20 13:45:52 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02492 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:45:52 -0500 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: <16.1e49280.2607b140@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:52:16 EST Subject: Re: May run To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/20/00 8:29:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, cirvin1258@juno.com writes: > Enterprise used to rent Discos several years back, was something like $55.00/day. In Sacramento, Enterprise rented them for over $400.oo/day They didn't get out all that much, but I did see that the manager, and parts runs were all in the Disco. ( the rental area is in the neighborhood.) Zack From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 20 13:54:30 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02509 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:54:30 -0500 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:00:56 EST Subject: Re: May run To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/20/00 9:29:24 AM US Mountain Standard Time, cirvin1258@juno.com writes: << Enterprise used to rent Discos several years back, but they stopped...dunno if they got any more or not. In '95-'96 (I think), they were the only folks that rented them - was something like $55.00/day. I think there's an exotic car rental place in Beverly Hills that still rents them, along with 4.6HSE's. >> The local office just took 2 Discovery's recently. I looked into renting one for the Mendo trip but they weren't available. They also said that the only off-roading you're allowed to do is snow-related such as driving to a ski resort. Cheers, Gerry From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 20 14:09:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02534 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:09:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200003201716.JAA11706@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: May run In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:00:56 EST." Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:16:26 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message you wrote: > << Enterprise used to rent Discos several years back, but they > stopped...dunno if they got any more or not. In '95-'96 (I think), they > were the only folks that rented them - was something like $55.00/day. I > think there's an exotic car rental place in Beverly Hills that still > rents them, along with 4.6HSE's. >> I only have data fro 1995-1997, but Avis and Enterprise have bought Discos. 1995 Enterprise 385 1996 Avis 500 1996 Enterprise 246 1997 Enterprise 576 Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 20 14:28:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02548 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:28:37 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:29:36 -0800 Subject: Re: May run Message-ID: <20000320.093508.-182779.27.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-25 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org That explains why - even with Ben's numbers, you could never get one! (I tried many times) Charles On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:52:16 EST Zaxcoinc@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 3/20/00 8:29:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, > cirvin1258@juno.com writes: > > > > Enterprise used to rent Discos several years back, was something > like > $55.00/day. > > In Sacramento, Enterprise rented them for over $400.oo/day > They didn't get out all that much, but I did see that the manager, > and parts > runs were all in the Disco. ( the rental area is in the > neighborhood.) > > Zack "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 20 14:51:24 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02584 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:51:24 -0500 Message-ID: <38D669C5.70AA6D31@ski.org> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:11:17 -0800 From: John Brabyn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Range Rover Power Seat switches References: <000701bf905d$010c3a00$7500000a@kklaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Also don't the Mercedes have the switches positioned vertiaclly so less dirt gets in? Cheers John Kevin Kelly wrote: > Charles R Irvin wrote: > > >'Ya know...those seat switches are the very same ones > >used in, oh, 1984 era Mercedes 560SEL's... > > Most 80's S Class MBZ seat switches also have a headrest > switch, so you have to do some cutting to get them to fit. > > MBZ was the featured marquee at the Hillsborough Concours a > couple years ago and I was joking with a MBZ owner how the > crappy MBZ designed seat switches were the least dependable > item on my British built Land Rover. The guy was an > electrical engineer from Saratoga and I didn't fully > understand what he said but it turns Land Rover has too much > (or not enough) power flowing through the switches causing > the contacts to gum up. He said that the switches almost > never have problems on MBZs. > > Kevin Kelly From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 20 15:01:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02616 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:01:27 -0500 Message-ID: <38D66C1D.B536EB6B@ski.org> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:21:17 -0800 From: John Brabyn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mechanical Seat Adjustments! References: <3.0.1.32.20000317215505.006e3c94@pacific.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org One could probably convert them at great expense, using parts for a 1991 Hunter model. Another solution is to make your own switches like Trevor Easton and Larry Michelon did -- see http://www.rangerovers.net/rremedies.htm#seatsw for details. Cheers John Cheers John Granville Pool wrote: > Kevin Wiser wrote: > > >If only there was a kit to convert the seat to a simple lever adjustment. > > My thoughts exactly! My '86 Peugeot 505 Turbo station wagon has seat that > have simple mechanical adjustment that does all the same stuff as the > electric RR seats, plus has the lumber adjustment that LR stoopidly left > out of the RR seats to give me a back ache! > > Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 20 15:24:32 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02645 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:24:32 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:24:51 -0800 Subject: Re: Range Rover Power Seat switches Message-ID: <20000320.102503.-182779.31.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-42 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The 1984 Mercedes 560SEL had them mounted on the dash - these are near identical to the Rangie switches, as they have no headrest adjustment (two friends of mine had this year/model), and I've never known them to need any cleaning. Charles On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:11:17 -0800 John Brabyn writes: > Also don't the Mercedes have the switches positioned vertiaclly so > less > dirt gets in? > > Cheers > > John > > Kevin Kelly wrote: > > > Charles R Irvin wrote: > > > > >'Ya know...those seat switches are the very same ones > > >used in, oh, 1984 era Mercedes 560SEL's... > > > > Most 80's S Class MBZ seat switches also have a headrest > > switch, so you have to do some cutting to get them to fit. > > > > MBZ was the featured marquee at the Hillsborough Concours a > > couple years ago and I was joking with a MBZ owner how the > > crappy MBZ designed seat switches were the least dependable > > item on my British built Land Rover. The guy was an > > electrical engineer from Saratoga and I didn't fully > > understand what he said but it turns Land Rover has too much > > (or not enough) power flowing through the switches causing > > the contacts to gum up. He said that the switches almost > > never have problems on MBZs. > > > > Kevin Kelly > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 20 15:34:56 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02657 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:34:56 -0500 Message-ID: <38D673F9.E0FD7725@ski.org> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:54:49 -0800 From: John Brabyn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: BMW Selling LR References: <000201bf9094$e1c978a0$7500000a@kklaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org To put in my 2 cents worth, I think this move might be good for Land Rover as Ford seems to understand better than BMW seemed to how to keep and improve premium brands like Land Rover (eg Aston Martin, Jaguar and Volvo) -- ie letting them stick to their knitting but making giant strides in design, performance and build quality. My one reservation about Ford is its corporate bias against the four wheeler community in favor of Sierra Club style environmentalism, but that may change. Re BMW influence, I too was surprised to hear about BMW's apparent internal fighting about where to take Land Rover in the long term. As far as current Land Rover models are concerned I don't think the BMW influence has been significant except for improving the power of the 4.0 and 4.6 engines. The present RR was entirely a Solihull design and came out around the time of the BMW takeover. The Series II Disco seems also to lack any noticeable BMW influence IMHO. The future RR design that's in now in the pipeline would have been the first heavily BMW influenced product, and what will now happen to it will be very interesting to see. Especially so because it must be pretty far advanced by now with the 4.4 liter BMW V8 and possible heavy borrowing from the BMW X5 parts bin -- some even say it was to be built at BMW's Spartanburg plant in the US alongside the X5. Will it carry on as planned under some agreement between BMW and Ford, or will its launch be delayed while they stick in a Ford engine and componentry? (Hopefully, as Granny says, the Jag or Aston V12!!). Land Rover will be in the "Premium Brands" division of Ford -- along with Jaguar, Aston, Lincoln etc. What Ford has done with Jaguar and Aston was to use common "platforms" with certain Ford products (Lincoln). Maybe they will do the same to at least some extent with Land Rover, to share development costs. I am far from being a fan of the current Lincoln Navigator, but I can imagine them using a Range Rover platform for a future Lincoln 4x4, and maybe some other Ford truck platform for a Defender. I think it's a good move for Ford anyhow, as it currently lacks a serious off road vehicle -- its SUVs being squarely aimed at the shopping mall & ski Tahoe crowd, with just enough clearance for the speed bumps. To the extent this is true, Land Rover models don't really compete head to head with Ford SUVs. Well, it will be interesting to see what happens next... Cheers John http://www.rangerovers.net Kevin Kelly wrote: > Jeremy wrote: > > >What always surprised me was that for their own intense > >reliance on brand image, BMW apparently had a poor > >understanding or vision of where to take Land Rover. > > IMHO BMW did a pretty good job with Land Rover, sure I was > upset that they stopped selling the Defender, but BMW is in > business to make money and with current U.S. airbag laws > they would not be able to make money selling the Defender > here. Word is that BMW didn't want to sell Land Rover but > had to sell it to get the money to PAY someone to "buy" the > Rover car company (how much would you pay for something that > has been loosing a BILLION dollars a year?). A lot of > people in GB dislike the Irish, but almost all of them > dislike, even hate the Germans (German bombs have killed a > lot more British people than Irish bombs). I heard that BMW > would have liked to just close the Rover car plant, fire all > the workers and focus on building rear wheel drive cars, but > it would have been politically impossible. While BMW owned > Land Rover U.S. sales went from well under 10,000 in 1994 to > about 30,000 in 1999 (I read something at the end of the > year that sales were close to hitting 30K in 1999 after > topping 20K in 1998). > > Kevin Kelly > > Who can't wait to see the new "Eddie Bauer" Range Rover From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 20 16:06:58 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02696 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:06:58 -0500 Message-ID: <003101bf92a0$6ef90760$1d0da8c0@jb-laptop> From: "John Baudendistel" To: Subject: Snow Run 2000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:13:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello Mendo and NCRC club members. Well here is the information on the Snowrun 2000. For some great photos of the recce and trip details see the following page: http://www.sfo.com/~jrogers/ncrc/snowrun2000 Trip Leader: John Baudendistel NCRC Snow Run When: 3/25-3/26 Where: Up Tahoe National Forest The following directions were not yet included on the web page. They will be added soon. Direction: Hwy 80 East. Go past Emigrant Gap. Not far along will be Hwy 20. Take Hwy 20 West. You will be on Hwy 20 West for about 10-15 miles. Skillman campground will be on the Left side of the road. NCRC trip disclaimers will be required for all vehicles attending as well as vehicle inspections. Hope to see you all up there! Contact Info: John Baudendistel Send your questions to: jbauden@ix.netcom.com H: 510-538-8203 From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 20 19:11:11 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02801 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:11:11 -0500 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:17:39 EST Subject: Series 2 in Sacbee To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The Sacramento Bee has an advert for a 59 series 2 RHD. I believe that it is the one which belongs to Clarke Bowens stepson. He stopped by with it, and it looks like pretty good value for the money if you want a Series 2. Telephone is 916-923-5975. I think I have a JPG for anybody whose interested. Let's keep those people who stop by to buy our pride and joy supplied with the telephone numbers which can further the spread of our peculiar disease. Besides it's a Bowen vehicle and he's on the list. Zack From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 20 23:44:38 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03047 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:44:38 -0500 Message-ID: <38D6E460.711AA6FC@wenet.net> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:54:24 -0800 From: "Bruce R. Bonar" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Holland & Holland References: <200003151447.GAA07955@blackie.cruzers.com> <4.1.20000315234220.037145d0@mail.halcyon.com> <4.1.20000317084832.00c316b0@mail.halcyon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Clarke Williams wrote: > The only other Holland & Holland that I, personally, have shot is another double chambered for .406 Rigby. Sweet gun. .416 Rigby maybe? BB From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 20 23:46:34 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03067 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:46:34 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Santana pwr steering Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:02:24 -0800 Message-ID: <000001bf92e1$e1ed85c0$3705193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000320083447.00849400@mail.saber.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yep... Kelly Minnick > > > At 08:15 AM 3/20/2000 -0800, you wrote: > >Do you like the Defender 110 but wish it were leaf-sprung? Take > a look at > >Santana's latest offering: > >http://www.ticonsole.nl/santana/ps-10.htm > >Cheers, > >Granny > > Hi, > The top view of the frame and the description of the power steering sounds > suspiciously like my Scout II saginaw conversion that I made for Sherman > and is now spreading around the world. Even if this isn't a copy, I've > gotten requests from several owners in Europe. > I wonder if they used a Saginaw box? > I shoulda made a kit 10 years ago when I first didit. > > Bob B > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 20 23:52:28 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03079 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:52:28 -0500 Message-ID: <38D6E63A.196F1B09@wenet.net> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:02:18 -0800 From: "Bruce R. Bonar" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bartlett@slip.net CC: mendo recce , morgan hannaford , Rick Larson , Ben Mitchell Subject: Re: NCRC/Children Off Road Outing - Proposal References: <38D2AC87.F569081F@slip.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jeremy Bartlett wrote: > A club member has proposed a possible club event to both myself and Land > Rover Marin (where he > is a customer). The basic idea is this: club members would provide a > vehicle ride at an offroad area > for ill, disabled or disadvantaged children. > For club officers: Any particular concerns? I'll have to look into LRM > dealing with liability issues. I think would be great for the kids and good PR for the club. My concern is the liability issue. This needs to be clearly addressed up front. For both the individual drivers and the NCRC. Bruce From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 20 23:59:11 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03091 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:59:11 -0500 Message-ID: <38D6E7CE.6B070A59@wenet.net> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:09:02 -0800 From: "Bruce R. Bonar" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Using wire brushes on galvanizing References: <3.0.1.32.20000318190330.009c69e0@hgea01.hgea.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This is a much bigger problem with stainless than galvanized. Always use a stainless wire brush when working on stainless base metal. They are available from any welding supply shop. Galvanized metal is not much of a problem. A good zinc coating is somewhat self healing if it's only scratches. If you're grinding off the zinc it's going to rust anyway unless you paint or regalvanize. For pipefitting on stainless steel or exotic alloys we use a wire brush of the same base metal and then a scotch brite buffing wheel to polish the bevel before welding. The pipes are cut using a very thin grinding wheel rather than a band saw so no metal from the blade will contaminate the joint. Bruce Faye and Peter Ogilvie wrote: > Seem to read about a lot people using steel wire brushes/wheels. Just a > word of caution. The steel brushes leave minute amounts of potentially > rusty steel on any surface they are used on. Tried it on a piece of > stainless and had to constantly polish it for nearly a year before all the > steel bits rusted away. Assume the problem would come with using a steel > brush on galvanizing. Suggest you use steel wire brushes on parts that are > going to be painted. Try and match the wire of the brush with the metal > being attacked in other cases. The scotch brite wheels really well at > removing paint, by the way. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 21 00:41:49 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03718 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:41:49 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.20000320190658.00d0ed50@mail.halcyon.com> X-Sender: clarkebw@mail.halcyon.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:48:40 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Clarke Williams Subject: Re: Holland & Holland In-Reply-To: <38D6E460.711AA6FC@wenet.net> References: <200003151447.GAA07955@blackie.cruzers.com> <4.1.20000315234220.037145d0@mail.halcyon.com> <4.1.20000317084832.00c316b0@mail.halcyon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bruce, Right you are. The old decrepit fingers strike again. .416 Rigby is correct. Clarke At 06:54 PM 20-03-00 -0800, you wrote: > > >Clarke Williams wrote: > >> The only other Holland & Holland that I, personally, have shot is >another double chambered for .406 Rigby. Sweet gun. > >.416 Rigby maybe? > >BB From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 21 01:24:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA03764 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 01:24:37 -0500 Message-ID: <38D6FB7C.16509AEB@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:33:00 -0800 From: "Franklin H. Yap" X-Sender: "Franklin H. Yap" <@mail.earthlink.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-FLASHNET (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: NCRC/Children Off Road Outing - Proposal References: <38D2AC87.F569081F@slip.net> <38D6E63A.196F1B09@wenet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "Bruce R. Bonar" wrote: > > > I think would be great for the kids and good PR for the club. My concern is > the liability issue. This needs to be clearly addressed up front. For both > the individual drivers and the NCRC. > I know that the Sierra Sidecarists take troubled kids (I think from the CYA) on rides in their hacks and must have faced the same issue. If you would like to contact the president of the chapter let me know. Frank From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 21 02:01:32 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03792 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 02:01:32 -0500 From: Gbrovers@aol.com Message-ID: <97.3353bb7.26085dae@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:07:58 EST Subject: Re: Series III 109 rear spring attachment points. To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 147 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Clark A Salisbury diff has an inspection cover on the rear, whereas a Rover style diff does not. I doubt you have an ENV because I think they are quite rare in the U.S. I don't think I have ever seen one. I do know ENV's are non-hypoid diffs so if you check the pinion offset on yours and the pinion is below centerline that is also evidence that it is a Salisbury. McNamara diffs are even rarer. If it turns out you have a Rover diff and you want a Salisbury let me know as I have several for sale. Bill Great Basin Rovers From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 21 05:46:17 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA04015 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 05:46:17 -0500 To: lro@playground.sun.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:53:25 -0800 Subject: Mojave Rd. Not-A-Trip accident? Message-ID: <20000321.005326.-182779.35.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,4-7,10-11,13-14,17-24 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I hear that a minor cotastrophe occurred shortly after I bailed on the trip...anybody wish to elaborate????? I was told that Pat escorted the crippled vehicle back to civilization????? Did the rest of the group finish the entire run????? I was also told that the crevice that we descended down was the toughest obstacle on the entire run, and after it, the rest was cake - so 'wha 'happen? I myself, am curious: 'twas my first serious off-road trip, so I'd like to know, in order to avoid having the same thing happen to me - if I can. TeriAnn: are the specs on your truck on your website?? Taking a close-up looksee at the interior of it got me to thinking.......(but I'm keeping the diesel in it) Charles "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 21 12:10:40 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04270 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:10:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200003211517.HAA13462@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: FWD: priorities, jobs and rovers Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 07:17:37 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ Again the messages was too long since the entire digest was included. -Ben ] ------- Forwarded Message Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:28:38 -0500 From: Michael Samuels To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: priorities, jobs and rovers I bought my first lr in medical school in 1964 because somehow I could see it was different than the life I was leading. Today it still is, it is a symbol of personal choice, insanity, courage and freedom, of course in reality is a pain. I work with cancer patients whose priorities are altered in one moment, they quit work in a flash unless the work is art, writing, a passion. I can see that this list is about more than rovers, and rovers are about more than rovers for each of us or we would be driving a toyota. You breathe in and don’t take the next breath or breathe out and don’t take the next breath, whatever way I works I see it in my patients as they die and in my loved ones, And as we play with our sweet cars, it all spins and makes more sense sometimes and less others. what is it in these cars that speaks of the soul? Michael Samuels, M.D. 89 rr as my toyota and a few series cars at www.oldrover.com ------- End of Forwarded Message From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 21 12:52:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04344 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:52:29 -0500 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: <25.34f8404.2608f63a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 10:58:50 EST Subject: re needlepoint........ To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This was on the LRO this morning. I thought there might be some who would be interested..... Cheers, Gerry ******************************************************* this is needlepoint -- no oil or grease. no bruised knuckles, no cursing, no beer... Sincerely, Ray Harder ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 09:03:13 -0600 (CST) From: Margie Gurwit To: Ray Harder Subject: Check out this url http://www.cherrytree.demon.co.uk/landrover.htm From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 21 16:56:44 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04574 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:56:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200003212003.MAA13884@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: fwd: NCRC Snow Run Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:03:41 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ------- Forwarded Message From: "John.Baudendistel" To: "'Ben Smith'" , "'Ben Smith (PSAsolartech)'" Cc: "'Jeff Rogers'" Subject: RE: NCRC Snow Run Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:49:00 -0700 Ben: Ben would you post this to the Mendo-List on our behalf. I posted it yesterday but have yet to see it show up. If you could post this to the daily and digest Mendo-participants it would be greatly appreciated. Since this trip is this weekend we need to get some publicity going. Thanks, John: *************************** From: John Baudendistel Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:13:52 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Snow Run 2000 Hello Mendo and NCRC club members. Well here is the information on the Snowrun 2000. For some great photos of the recce and trip details see the following page: http://www.sfo.com/~jrogers/ncrc/snowrun2000 Trip Leader: John Baudendistel NCRC Snow Run When: 3/25-3/26 Where: Up Tahoe National Forest The following directions were not yet included on the web page. They will be added soon. Direction: Hwy 80 East. Go past Emigrant Gap. Not far along will be Hwy 20. Take Hwy 20 West. You will be on Hwy 20 West for about 10-15 miles. Skillman campground will be on the Left side of the road. NCRC trip disclaimers will be required for all vehicles attending as well as vehicle inspections. Hope to see you all up there! Contact Info: John Baudendistel Send your questions to: jbauden@ix.netcom.com H: 510-538-8203 ------- End of Forwarded Message From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 21 18:17:09 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04734 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:17:09 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CD887@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo'" Subject: Mojave road Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:27:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was hoping to see a note from TeriAnn here by the time I got back to work on Tuesday. Makes me wonder..... Anyway, we ended up camping Saturday night at the base of the north west flank of the Beale mountains, just East of Marl Springs (around mile 68). At that time TAW was leaking a little water and later investigation found that 3 of the 4 bolts formerly holding her engine block to the motor mounts had decided they liked the Mojave Road so much, they'd like to remain there, and so had elected to part company with the vehicle. This had allowed the fan to contact a couple of radiator tubes and create the leak. Pat (last name??? sorry!) donated bolts from his front bumper extensions which were the required 7/16" size and crimped the rad tubes. Someone also donated a tube of aluma-seal and we set off Sunday morning with TAW's motor as secure as ever and just a slight weeping from the rad tubes. The rad cap was left at the first click stop to avoid the radiator building pressure. The plan was to just top it up as temps rose since the group had lots of spare water on hand. We stopped a bit at Marl Springs, and then again at the power line road just north of there. At the power line road TAW decided that, being so far from home, she'd best pursue a more direct return to civilization and had planned to bug out down the power line road (didn't look much better than the trail at that point!). I think she had talked about stopping by BP on Monday before heading up toward home. Pat and Larry, in Pat's 88" were heading the same direction and so decided to go with TAW to see her out as it would be unwise to travel alone in that part of the desert. The rest of us (Tom's Dormie, Jamie's 4-runner, Chris's X-Terra, Matt's 88", and...ouch.....I knew I'd forget a name.....from BP......sold me lots of parts on the phone :^).....In the blue lightweight) continued on. The lightweight took off on the Kelbaker road. The other 4 of us had lunch at seventeenmile point and went as far as crossing Soda lake before we grabbed the Razor Road escape as it was getting late in the afternoon and we didn't relish the challenge of later loose sand with Jamie being in 2wd with a failed FWH on the LF (he did the trail from Needles to Soda Lake this way with no problems, requiring only one push out of loose sand just before Razor Road) I had a great time and can't wait to go back and explore some of the side trails we had to pass due to time constraints. Thanks so much to Tom for letting me ride along in the Dormie, he definitely has the market cornered on luxurious off road travel! Oh yes, Charles, you have Tom and I to thank for that bit of a challenging down hill gully crawl. TAW had been leading without a guide book at that point and missed that turn off while blasting down the Cedar Canyon Road. Tom and I spotted it and sent Jamie ahead to rein in TAW as she was already out of reach of my puny hand held CB. I should have jumped out of Tom's truck at the bottom (as we went down first) and took some pix of others. Heard of your adventure, but there's no pictorial evidence, so as usual, "you had to be there!" -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 21 20:34:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05019 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:34:08 -0500 Message-ID: <001501bf937e$fe8d51e0$cb4b0740@baggarly.com> From: "Nick C. Baggarly" To: References: <200003212003.MAA13884@blacker.gdbg.org> Subject: Lawyers chase ambulances, Rover owners chase Land Rovers Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:47:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just sighted a military 109 IIA on a long auto transport as it passed right in front of my living room window. The number plates were in German so I think it might be one of several Belgium Army vehicles that were recently surplus'd. I followed it two blocks and watched the driver unload it in front of Big-O tire. I guess it's getting a new set of shoes. A very nice and complete truck with a stock 2.25 liter/zenith setup. Under the bonnett, mounted on the bulkhead there's an interesting box 3" wide X 5"with german writing all over it. A 24 volt voltage reglator perhaps? Anyone we know? Nick From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 21 22:32:53 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05197 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:32:53 -0500 From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: interesting Rangie sighting.. Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:51:27 -0800 Message-ID: <005201bf93a1$23a07800$ae051fd1@BlairPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ..while in Ketchum, Idaho yesterday: a classic Rangie with a mild lift (maybe just from OME springs?), 'chrome' (polished?) three spoke Rangie wheels (Kevin K's favorites...), and mounted to them (here is the interesting bit) were military bias-ply multi-directionals (size 650x16 maybe?). The juxtaposition of the super shiny rims and the Neanderthal tires was something! Bet it is the worst handling Range Rover out there (especially on the snow and ice!). Cheers. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 21 23:39:36 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05291 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:39:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200003220253.SAA16980@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: RE: Ford purchase of Land Rover Date: Tue, 21 Mar 00 18:51:55 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Now that I'm looking for a 110, I sure wish I knew what was really going to >happen here! > I wouldn't be too eager to purchase a pre-Ford design US spec Defender right now. There are very few compaired to European spec Defenders. It is my understanding that US specific parts are drying up REAL fast. There just may not be enough of them out there for an aftermarket company to tool up for an aftermarket replacement part. You may have to ....gasp replace the broken Defender part with a series part TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 22 01:41:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06027 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 01:41:00 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000321204106.006de234@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:41:06 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Gnarly Tires, was Re: interesting Rangie sighting.. In-Reply-To: <005201bf93a1$23a07800$ae051fd1@BlairPC> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Blair, I hope you shot a photo of that thing! If you want to see some truly gnarly tires, in all sorts of big sizes, all the way up to and including 7.50x16(!), check out: http://members.aol.com/mjloffroad/tyres.htm#tyres I think my Range Rover needs a set of Maxi Cross in size 245-16. Sipes? We don't need no stinkin' sipes when we got gaps big enough to seat a bottle of Guinness! Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 22 04:12:22 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06263 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 04:12:22 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:18:39 -0800 Subject: Re: Mojave road Message-ID: <20000321.231841.-182779.41.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-9,11-110 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Challenge??? Hell, I forgot to put my transfer case in low - I was riding the brake/clutch pedals all the way down - 1st high! (my throttle sticks at low speeds, so I didn't really need a hand throttle) Ron was as impressed with this as I was! Charles On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:27:14 -0700 "Gomes, David" writes: > I was hoping to see a note from TeriAnn here by the time I got back > to work > on Tuesday. Makes me wonder..... > > Anyway, we ended up camping Saturday night at the base of the north > west > flank of the Beale mountains, just East of Marl Springs (around mile > 68). > At that time TAW was leaking a little water and later investigation > found > that 3 of the 4 bolts formerly holding her engine block to the motor > mounts > had decided they liked the Mojave Road so much, they'd like to > remain there, > and so had elected to part company with the vehicle. This had > allowed the > fan to contact a couple of radiator tubes and create the leak. > > Pat (last name??? sorry!) donated bolts from his front bumper > extensions > which were the required 7/16" size and crimped the rad tubes. > Someone also > donated a tube of aluma-seal and we set off Sunday morning with > TAW's motor > as secure as ever and just a slight weeping from the rad tubes. The > rad cap > was left at the first click stop to avoid the radiator building > pressure. > The plan was to just top it up as temps rose since the group had > lots of > spare water on hand. > > We stopped a bit at Marl Springs, and then again at the power line > road just > north of there. At the power line road TAW decided that, being so > far from > home, she'd best pursue a more direct return to civilization and had > planned > to bug out down the power line road (didn't look much better than > the trail > at that point!). I think she had talked about stopping by BP on > Monday > before heading up toward home. Pat and Larry, in Pat's 88" were > heading the > same direction and so decided to go with TAW to see her out as it > would be > unwise to travel alone in that part of the desert. > > The rest of us (Tom's Dormie, Jamie's 4-runner, Chris's X-Terra, > Matt's 88", > and...ouch.....I knew I'd forget a name.....from BP......sold me > lots of > parts on the phone :^).....In the blue lightweight) continued on. > The > lightweight took off on the Kelbaker road. The other 4 of us had > lunch at > seventeenmile point and went as far as crossing Soda lake before we > grabbed > the Razor Road escape as it was getting late in the afternoon and we > didn't > relish the challenge of later loose sand with Jamie being in 2wd > with a > failed FWH on the LF (he did the trail from Needles to Soda Lake > this way > with no problems, requiring only one push out of loose sand just > before > Razor Road) > > I had a great time and can't wait to go back and explore some of the > side > trails we had to pass due to time constraints. Thanks so much to > Tom for > letting me ride along in the Dormie, he definitely has the market > cornered > on luxurious off road travel! > > Oh yes, Charles, you have Tom and I to thank for that bit of a > challenging > down hill gully crawl. TAW had been leading without a guide book at > that > point and missed that turn off while blasting down the Cedar Canyon > Road. > Tom and I spotted it and sent Jamie ahead to rein in TAW as she was > already > out of reach of my puny hand held CB. I should have jumped out of > Tom's > truck at the bottom (as we went down first) and took some pix of > others. > Heard of your adventure, but there's no pictorial evidence, so as > usual, > "you had to be there!" > > -Dave G. > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 22 13:31:57 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07057 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:31:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200003221645.IAA17001@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: X-Files/Mojave Road run Date: Wed, 22 Mar 00 08:44:14 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >And hopefully, TeriAnn will do all the legwork and the whole Hess >clan can go on another AZ trip. Maybe Canyon De Chelly, up into Utah >for Canyonlands and other parks thereabouts? That has been my plan. Legwork is about 90% completed. I'm starting on a large web site project. My plan was to spend about a month living in the Green Rover when the project is completed and doing part of it as a Red Rock II tour. This would be a four corners area trip and include places like the Canyon de Chelly, Moab (Canyonlands, Arches area), National Monument, Capitol Reef and other places. Unfortuntly, our landlord has just now put the property up for sale ($700,000) and it is looking like I will need to spend time and $$$ moving to a new location after being in this house for about 20 years. So at this time everything is up in the air, I have not a clue when I'll be moving (best guess is about four months at the earliest) or where I will be living. So my planned trip may be out the door or shortened drastically to just a week or so. I enjoy trailing and camping with the Hess clan so I'll try to work something out. More later as this moving thing develops. How does one begin packing after 20 years of being in one place? I think it is time for a scenery change so I haven't a clue where I will go yet. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.shadow-catcher.net <- Photography for sale http://www.overlander.net <- Web directory for Land Rover http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman <- My personal web site "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 22 13:32:28 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07067 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:32:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200003221646.IAA17044@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Brief report Mojave Rd. Not-A-Trip Date: Wed, 22 Mar 00 08:44:45 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Brief report Majave Rd. Not-A-Trip Background: The Majave Rd is an old covered wagon trail that brought settlers and traders to Southern California and has turned into a popular "off road" trail. In general I would consider it good beginners trail for anyone with an off road capable vehicle except for Hummvee. The Hummvees are too wide for the trail. With the exception of one very short section of trail that had a bypass, chances of vehicle damage other than pinstriping is minimal. Including side trips to an old Calvary outpost, springs and other points of interest the full trip takes about 2-1/2 days of leisurely travel and includes open desert, volcanic desert areas, a Jashawa tree forest, a sand dune area and a dry salt lake. One of the nice things about the trail is that it includes several paved road crossings so it can easily be divided down into day trips or weekend trips driving different parts of the trail. The trip: We had nine cars participating, two Dormies, a lightweight, Charle's world's fastest diesel 109, a token D90, two 88s, a Nissan Xtream, and a high rise Toyota pickup. We left about a half hour behind another 4WD email group that had a wide collection of 15 assorted vehicles and a group of off road motorcycles. We never saw the motorcycles again but paid tag with the other 4X4 group off and on throughout the day and they ended up camping a couple hundred yards from us on Saturday night. We had planned to leave at 9 sharp on Sat morning but ended up waiting about an hour for Charles, Matthew and Nick. The trail itself is basically very easy but I like it because it is so scenic and you travel through a very wide variety of desert environments. Charles and Mathews caught up with us at a road crossing and we stopped to say high and for a chat session. Later in the afternoon Charles left the group at another road crossing. Near the end of the day at a rest stop someone mentioned that there was water leaking out of the front of my car. I didn't bother looking since were were near our night camp and the engine was running cool. When we stopped, I popped the bonnet and discovered that my engine had moved forward a little and put the top of my fan into the radiator. The water was a leak in some rods. I got out a tarp and crawled under the car for a look see. Three of the four bolts securing the steel engine mounts to the engine had fallen off allowing the engine to slide forward. The engine was being held in place by the last engine mount bolt and the two transmission mount bolts. This was almost exactly what happened to me last time I climbed into a side canyon in Death Valley. Only then I had the LR four cylinder engine and no company for help and parts. Closer examination showed the remaining engine mount bolt to be without a lock washer. I can only conclude that Timm Cooper installed the bolts sans lock washers and the vibration just allowed them to loosen and work themselves out. I have been meaning to put together a nut and bolt kit but I have been overwhelmed about figuring out what sizes and lengths to carry. But after loosing engine mount bolts from two engines I can safely say that the kit will include engine mount bolts along with 'U' bolts and shackle bolts. Luckily, Pat Young had the bolts I needed securing his bumper extension and was willing to share three bolts and lock washers with me. Pat Young has previous experience with holed radiator rods and took over the field repairs while I watched and learned how to crimp radiator rods. He also moved the engine back by placing a jack between the axle housing and the oil pan flange. I just would have lifted the engine with the jack and pried so it was a good field repair training exercise for me. Even with the field repairs I was still leaking a fair amount of coolant when we left camp. At our first stop I opted to head back to pavement and start the trip to British Pacific where I had a meeting scheduled with Steve Monday morning. Pat volunteered to convoy with me as far as the turn off to his house. We took a power pole maintenance road out five miles to a paved road and headed West with occasional stops to add water to my radiator. Only in Southern California can you get stop and go traffic on an interstate over 100 miles from anywhere. After a couple of hours driving the alumna seal seemed to kick in and the leak rate slowed considerably. Maybe someone else can fill us in on the last part of the trip that I missed. Meanwhile, I'll be looking into a new radiator core and a new fan to replace the bent one. I just consider this to still be teething problems. But one I'm glad happened in the company of others. THANKS PAT!!! TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.shadow-catcher.net <- Photography for sale http://www.overlander.net <- Web directory for Land Rover http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman <- My personal web site "In the world of type A & type B drivers consider me a type C gypsy traveler. Destinations are optional and not necessarily desirable." From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 22 15:25:11 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07350 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:25:11 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000322102904.0079b6e0@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:29:04 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: TAW Re: Brief report Mojave Rd. Not-A-Trip In-Reply-To: <200003221646.IAA17044@blackie.cruzers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Geeze TeriAnn! I hope you check the rest of the conversion work such as the steering box! Is he going to help by paying for the radiator? Bob B At 08:44 AM 3/22/2000 -0800, you wrote: >When we stopped, I popped the bonnet and discovered that my engine had >moved forward a little and put the top of my fan into the radiator. The >water was a leak in some rods. I got out a tarp and crawled under the >car for a look see. Three of the four bolts securing the steel engine >mounts to the engine had fallen off allowing the engine to slide forward. > The engine was being held in place by the last engine mount bolt and the >two transmission mount bolts. >and no company for help and parts. > >Closer examination showed the remaining engine mount bolt to be without a >lock washer. I can only conclude that Timm Cooper installed the bolts >sans lock washers and the vibration just allowed them to loosen and work >themselves out. > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 22 15:54:49 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07379 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:54:49 -0500 Message-ID: <000201bf9431$35e56e40$7500000a@kklaptop> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Nuts and Bolts Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:16:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TeriAnn wrote: >I have been meaning to put together a nut and bolt kit >but I have been overwhelmed about figuring out what >sizes and lengths to carry. I have a plastic tub and a zippered nylon bag of random (my friend with a 4Runner was surprised that the bag includes a Toyota lug nut) nuts and bolts, plumbers tape, bailing wire and zip ties. Since every time I work on something I replace all the nuts and bolts around it with Stainless Steel or Grade 8 I have been tossing all the old factory steel bolts in to the nylon bag so I have a fair amount of extra nuts and bolts in Land Rover sizes and thread pitch. Kevin Kelly From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 22 17:17:57 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07585 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:17:57 -0500 Message-ID: <16D03631929FD311BC5D009027D0CBB21756E1@vegmail.ucdavis.edu> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "Mendo_Recce (E-mail)" Subject: 1948 80" on LRX Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:28:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org There is an original condition 1948 80" on LRX that sounds like a great truck. Ufortunately the owner thinks it is worth $24,000. I could trade him straight up for the LWB.... -Rob From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 23 03:00:07 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA08564 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 03:00:07 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Bolts for front series hubs Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:16:02 -0800 Message-ID: <000501bf948f$436cc820$e105193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <38D5D53A.43F57BDC@earthlink.net> Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org They were the stock ones from Warn (with lock tabs). I seem to recall that they are 3/8-24 NF, so any nut & bolt house should have them. I would pull one to be sure on pitch and length. Hope this helps. Later, Kelly > > > Kelly Minnick wrote: > > > > ... > > Hi Kelly, > > Where did you buy the bolts for your (now Mehdi's) S3 front hubs? They > look like standard Grade 5 bolts. > > Frank > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 23 03:53:51 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA08599 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 03:53:51 -0500 Message-ID: <38D9C16B.E96E56E3@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:02:03 -0800 From: "Franklin H. Yap" X-Sender: "Franklin H. Yap" <@mail.earthlink.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-FLASHNET (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Bolts for front series hubs References: <000501bf948f$436cc820$e105193f@minnick> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kelly Minnick wrote: > > They were the stock ones from Warn (with lock tabs). I seem to recall that > they are 3/8-24 NF, so any nut & bolt house should have them. I would pull > one to be sure on pitch and length. Hope this helps. Later, > Thanks. Frank From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 23 13:36:02 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09211 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:36:02 -0500 From: INFLOWINC@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:42:20 EST Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #85 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dear Group, First of all, I have a very request for a referral to a super body shop in San Francisco. Of course, one that has experience with Range Rovers and believes in super quality and service. I am willing to pay a little extra for great work. Secondly, let me share a short story. Last Saturday my son and I were at his Lacrosse game in Berkeley at the Berkeley High School field at MKL Drive and Channing Way. When parked in their parking lot, a young woman pulled up in her seriously beat up '72 Datsun B210. While opening her car door, banged it a couple of times into the side of the Rover--while I was still in the car waiting to get out. I got out and admonished her on her carelessness. Frankly in hindsight probably a stupid thing to do. In any case, she walked off in a huff. Later on, while I was watching the game, she came back, keyed the side of the Rover and took off. I learned many valuable lessons that day. In any case, just thought I would share my woes with the group. Hope everyone has a great day! Vinod S. Kripalani InFlowTech, Inc. Page Plaza, 44 Page Street, Suite #403 San Francisco, CA 94102 Phone: 1-415-565-0600 Fax: 1-415-522-5887 From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 23 13:45:17 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09223 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:45:17 -0500 Message-ID: <16D03631929FD311BC5D009027D0CBB21756E4@vegmail.ucdavis.edu> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "Mendo_Recce (E-mail)" Subject: snow run Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:56:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anyone going on the snow run. Just checking, because if no one is going, I'll go help Jeremy clear trails. -Rob From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 23 13:52:50 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09235 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:52:50 -0500 Message-ID: <38DA5089.3E1BAC18@ski.org> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:12:41 -0800 From: John Brabyn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #85 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If you find one let me know. I have had truble finding ones that will work on aluminum. The one I have used for removing my off road dents is Classic Auto Body in San Rafael -- conveniently located out the back of the Land Rover dealership! They are expensive though. Cheers John INFLOWINC@aol.com wrote: > Dear Group, > > First of all, I have a very request for a referral to a super body shop in > San Francisco. Of course, one that has experience with Range Rovers and > believes in super quality and service. I am willing to pay a little extra for > great work. > > Secondly, let me share a short story. Last Saturday my son and I were at his > Lacrosse game in Berkeley at the Berkeley High School field at MKL Drive and > Channing Way. When parked in their parking lot, a young woman pulled up in > her seriously beat up '72 Datsun B210. While opening her car door, banged it > a couple of times into the side of the Rover--while I was still in the car > waiting to get out. > I got out and admonished her on her carelessness. Frankly in hindsight > probably a stupid thing to do. > > In any case, she walked off in a huff. Later on, while I was watching the > game, she came back, keyed the side of the Rover and took off. > > I learned many valuable lessons that day. In any case, just thought I would > share my woes with the group. > > Hope everyone has a great day! > > Vinod S. Kripalani > InFlowTech, Inc. > Page Plaza, 44 Page Street, Suite #403 > San Francisco, CA 94102 > Phone: 1-415-565-0600 > Fax: 1-415-522-5887 From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 23 13:53:55 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09245 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:53:55 -0500 Message-ID: <38DA50CA.DDC7BB38@ski.org> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:13:46 -0800 From: John Brabyn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Gnarly Tires, was Re: interesting Rangie sighting.. References: <3.0.1.32.20000321204106.006de234@pacific.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Pretty cool treads Granny! Let's try them out on Ziggy or the Snark forthwith! Cheers John Granville Pool wrote: > Blair, > > I hope you shot a photo of that thing! If you want to see some truly > gnarly tires, in all sorts of big sizes, all the way up to and including > 7.50x16(!), check out: > > http://members.aol.com/mjloffroad/tyres.htm#tyres > > I think my Range Rover needs a set of Maxi Cross in size 245-16. Sipes? > We don't need no stinkin' sipes when we got gaps big enough to seat a > bottle of Guinness! > > Cheers, > > Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 23 14:42:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09283 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:42:21 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:54:22 -0800 Subject: Reminder: NCRC Snow Run From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Folks, I just want to remind everyone that the NCRC Snow Run is this weekend. Hope to see you out there. Also, for those of you that have not made contact with John and plan to attend the event, please confirm with him so that we won't leave camp before you arrive. -->Jeff > Hello Mendo and NCRC club members. Well here is the information on the > Snowrun 2000. > > For some great photos of the recce and trip details see the following page: > > http://www.sfo.com/~jrogers/ncrc/snowrun2000 > > Trip Leader: John Baudendistel > NCRC Snow Run > When: 3/25-3/26 > Where: Up Tahoe National Forest > > The following directions were not yet included on the web page. They will > be added soon. > > Direction: Hwy 80 East. Go past Emigrant Gap. Not far along will be > Hwy 20. Take Hwy 20 West. You will be on Hwy 20 West for about 10-15 > miles. Skillman campground will be on the Left side of the road. > > NCRC trip disclaimers will be required for all vehicles attending as well as > vehicle inspections. > > Hope to see you all up there! > > Contact Info: > > John Baudendistel > Send your questions to: jbauden@ix.netcom.com > H: 510-538-8203 > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 23 14:52:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09299 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:52:37 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:57:47 -0800 From: John Kieckhefer Subject: electrical questions.... To: "Mendo Recce (E-mail)" Message-id: <000501bf94f1$4c7b4740$0a01000a@john> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Doing some minor electrical work on the 109 IIA and trying to add some cooling fans... I would greatly appreciate info on the following questions If I reverse the wires on my heater fan (squirrel cage) will it blow air out ??? Is there a way that I could switch it for (heat - off - exhaust) ???? The heater fan runs at two speeds .... how is this accomplished ?? does the green rod shaped thing have something to do with it ??? John K IIA 109 (Mutt) When I asked Blair he said "here is a related, bigger question that i've always had-- how does a 3-way reading lamp work? one click=low, 2 clicks=medium, 3 clicks=bright???" From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 23 15:02:39 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09314 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:02:39 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:09:24 -0800 (PST) From: Alexander George Cooper Message-Id: <200003231809.KAA01889@saga1.Stanford.EDU> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: snow run Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Anyone going on the snow run. Just checking, because if no one is going, >I'll go help Jeremy clear trails. I'm undecided at this point but was considering just going up for the day on Saturday. Alexander From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 23 15:06:20 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09324 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:06:20 -0500 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: <9.36b9e15.260bb88f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:12:31 EST Subject: Re: electrical questions.... To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/23/00 10:00:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, jk123@pacbell.net writes: > When I asked Blair he said "here is a related, bigger question that i've > always had-- how does a 3-way > reading lamp work? one click=low, 2 clicks=medium, 3 clicks=bright???" > I have a recipe for Three Bean salad which requires only one kind of bean and two magic markers....... But seriously, two filaments, switch on one or the other, or both. Voila, three bean salad. Zack From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 23 15:09:47 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09348 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:09:47 -0500 From: "Shannon Holland" To: Subject: RE: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #85 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:16:21 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <38DA5089.3E1BAC18@ski.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org You may want to call Phillipe at Roverland (415) 648-0885. There's a body shop he works with that has experience with aluminium (don't remember their name/number however). Shannon > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org > [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org]On Behalf Of John Brabyn > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 9:13 AM > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #85 > > > If you find one let me know. I have had truble finding ones that > will work on > aluminum. The one I have used for removing my off road dents is > Classic Auto Body > in San Rafael -- conveniently located out the back of the Land > Rover dealership! > They are expensive though. > > Cheers > > John > > INFLOWINC@aol.com wrote: > > > Dear Group, > > > > First of all, I have a very request for a referral to a super > body shop in > > San Francisco. Of course, one that has experience with Range Rovers and > > believes in super quality and service. I am willing to pay a > little extra for > > great work. > > > > Secondly, let me share a short story. Last Saturday my son and > I were at his > > Lacrosse game in Berkeley at the Berkeley High School field at > MKL Drive and > > Channing Way. When parked in their parking lot, a young woman > pulled up in > > her seriously beat up '72 Datsun B210. While opening her car > door, banged it > > a couple of times into the side of the Rover--while I was still > in the car > > waiting to get out. > > I got out and admonished her on her carelessness. Frankly in hindsight > > probably a stupid thing to do. > > > > In any case, she walked off in a huff. Later on, while I was > watching the > > game, she came back, keyed the side of the Rover and took off. > > > > I learned many valuable lessons that day. In any case, just > thought I would > > share my woes with the group. > > > > Hope everyone has a great day! > > > > Vinod S. Kripalani > > InFlowTech, Inc. > > Page Plaza, 44 Page Street, Suite #403 > > San Francisco, CA 94102 > > Phone: 1-415-565-0600 > > Fax: 1-415-522-5887 > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 23 15:22:14 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09375 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:22:14 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000201bf9431$35e56e40$7500000a@kklaptop> References: <000201bf9431$35e56e40$7500000a@kklaptop> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:28:29 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: jory bell Subject: Re: Nuts and Bolts Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org there were 328 1/4-28 3/4" long bolts when i did the frameup on my series. so some of these would be good. and also some of the same bolt ni 1 1/4" length. ::jory >TeriAnn wrote: > > >I have been meaning to put together a nut and bolt kit > >but I have been overwhelmed about figuring out what > >sizes and lengths to carry. > >I have a plastic tub and a zippered nylon bag of random (my >friend with a 4Runner was surprised that the bag includes a >Toyota lug nut) nuts and bolts, plumbers tape, bailing wire >and zip ties. Since every time I work on something I >replace all the nuts and bolts around it with Stainless >Steel or Grade 8 I have been tossing all the old factory >steel bolts in to the nylon bag so I have a fair amount of >extra nuts and bolts in Land Rover sizes and thread pitch. > >Kevin Kelly From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 23 16:32:51 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09463 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:32:51 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CD8B5@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Nuts and Bolts Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:43:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....there were 328 1/4-28 3/4" long bolts when i did the frameup on my series. so some of these would be good......" Wow! But, actually, my logic goes the other way. If there are so many on the truck, the vehicle serves as it's own spares kit, robbing a bolt from another non-critical location to cover the need. It's the one-offs you really need to look out for. Or, in TAW's case, where you've introduced a "foreign body", considering what unique fasteners it's brought with it. -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 23 17:08:34 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09516 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:08:34 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:21:02 -0800 Subject: Re: snow run From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm going and I have heard from a few others that plan to be there. -->Jeff From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 23 17:18:06 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09539 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:18:06 -0500 Message-ID: <000801bf9505$d9a4e220$515dfea9@jb-laptop> From: "John Baudendistel" To: Subject: Snow Run; confirm attendance please. Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:24:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Snow Run attendees: John B Disco Smiley Jeff R. D90 Eric (likely depending on his flight training on Friday) Rob (attempting to go Bruce (attempting to go) Others? It will be fun. If you all would please confirm your attendance via a phone message to John B. at H 510-538-8203 evening or at W 925-824-2237 until 5:00PM today. Leave your cell number if applicable. Jeff and I are going up Friday early to establish camp and scout additional trails. If you have questions please feel free to give me a call this evening. 510-538-8203. Email confirmation to jbauden@ix.netcom.com and or confirm via my home phone above. I'll have my mobil on tomorrow 510-913-9116. or Ch7. John 1996 Disco Smiley From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 23 17:28:50 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09551 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:28:50 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000323123241.00801b20@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:32:41 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: RE: Nuts and Bolts In-Reply-To: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CD8B5@RCEXS2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Another thing for the spare bolts kit would be 2 flat pieces of steel about 6" long with holes in the ends and bolts for a splint in case you REALLY break a leaf spring. BTDT and it really works. Bob B At 12:43 PM 3/23/2000 -0700, you wrote: >"....there were 328 1/4-28 3/4" long bolts when i did the frameup on my >series. so some of these would be good......" > >Wow! But, actually, my logic goes the other way. If there are so many on >the truck, the vehicle serves as it's own spares kit, robbing a bolt from >another non-critical location to cover the need. It's the one-offs you >really need to look out for. Or, in TAW's case, where you've introduced a >"foreign body", considering what unique fasteners it's brought with it. > >-Dave G. > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 23 17:38:55 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09563 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:38:55 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000323124246.008616d0@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:42:46 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: electrical questions.... In-Reply-To: <000501bf94f1$4c7b4740$0a01000a@john> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 09:57 AM 3/23/2000 -0800, John Kieckhefer wrote: >Doing some minor electrical work on the 109 IIA and trying to add some >cooling fans... I would greatly appreciate info on the following questions > >If I reverse the wires on my heater fan (squirrel cage) will it blow air out >??? Hi John, No It won't run backwards. The speed is controlled by electrically adding in the green rod shaped thing which is a coupla ohms resistor in series with the blower motor when you switch it to slow. It sits in the air flow of the blower. That is if you have the late S2A heater. Other heaters have the resistor in the switch panel. Bob B >Is there a way that I could switch it for (heat - off - exhaust) ???? > >The heater fan runs at two speeds .... how is this accomplished ?? does the >green rod shaped thing have something to do with it ??? > >John K >IIA 109 (Mutt) > >When I asked Blair he said "here is a related, bigger question that i've >always had-- how does a 3-way >reading lamp work? one click=low, 2 clicks=medium, 3 clicks=bright???" > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 23 18:18:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09633 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:18:27 -0500 Message-ID: <20000323212504.3725.qmail@web701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:25:04 -0800 (PST) From: KC Subject: Series IIA sells To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Remember that IIA 88" pick-up w/the Nevada plates for sale in Palo Alto off Alma? Well, I pull into the garage at my aprt. complex last night, and there it is! HHmmm, did a lazy bugger buy it and lives there or is someone visiting? Well, a nice guy named Nick Warner who lives at my complex bought it and plans to fix it up some. (small world) And, he said he joined Mendo and plans to join us at some NCRC trips, etc. Welcome to the Rover world Nick. Rovers are catching up to the J**ps at my complex--yeah! KC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 23 20:22:17 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09694 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:22:17 -0500 From: BwanaE@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:28:31 EST Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #91 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 03/23/2000 11:41:38 AM Pacific Standard Time, Rob asks: > Anyone going on the snow run. Just checking, because if no one is going, > I'll go help Jeremy clear trails. Brig and Eric will be attending in Bubba. Remember to bring firewood...forecast is for snow Sat. evening and sunday. Eric Cope 1232 Appaloosa Road Angels Camp, CA. 95222 home phone: 209-736-9279 cell / voice mail: 209-988-2842 e-mail: BwanaE@aol.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 23 20:32:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09706 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:32:08 -0500 From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: lights and squirrels Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:50:34 -0800 Message-ID: <002901bf9522$9550f240$ae051fd1@BlairPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks for that explanation, Zack. But how does the switch know which element? And for John's 109 heater <--Rover content I guess it is a case of getting the squirrels to turn the cage the other way? Cheers. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 23 20:57:10 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09731 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:57:10 -0500 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:03:25 EST Subject: Re: lights and squirrels To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/23/00 3:41:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, peterson@interasset.com writes: > But how does the switch know which > element? And for John's 109 heater <--Rover content > I guess it is a case of getting the squirrels to turn the cage the other > way? In order to answer your question, I had to hike all the way upstairs, remove the lamp, trudge downstairs back to the keyboard, and catch my breath. Obligatory exercise my ass, I'm gonna play on the net all day. Breath caught, seated and ready to perform miracles of science, I inspected the base of the lamp, and detected what I had supposed to be the case. Hypothesis, two terminals and a common. Scientific research found a center contact, and a trick second contact annular to the first. the third or common contact is assumed to be the sheet metal screw base. The switch need know nothing. If it had been wired incorrectly, you would have instead of the low, medium, both followed by off process, the medium, low, both, then off, process. This way guys who assemble these things mutter under their breath, "red wire, black wire, white whire green wire", in order to assume the mastery of arcane trivial knowledge. Oh by the way don't apologize for unseating me, I had to change the bulb anyway, I just lacked the willpower. Now I've got to locate the willpower to find another one, and put it back into the lamp and place the shade off the chair back into the lamp. Then again, I could put the dead bulb back in, and ignore it for another three months. I find that with a bit of creative bad posture, those other lights do fine for reading in front of the TV. A lifetime of destroyed posture is as nothing, compared to the chance to put off yet another chore. Back at ya amigo. Zack Odd thing, a guy from Redding called today, has a Def 90, and is looking to build up a Series, and go with Daniel. I thought the trick was older is better? (for that trip anyway) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 23 23:44:12 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09945 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:44:12 -0500 From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Pershing's winch Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:02:11 -0800 Message-ID: <003601bf953d$5a317e80$ae051fd1@BlairPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Last night, after we finished trying to get the squirrels in the cage to run the other way on his 109's heater blower, John K and I finished the intallation of the PTO winch on my 109. He and I had earlier installed the PTO housing to the rear of the t-case, fashioned a lever linkage for the selector, and mounted the winch itself to the bumper. I farmed out the modifications needed to the exhaust (bend the downpipe to clear the PTO drive shaft), notch the crossmember and left engine mount (again to clear the shaft), and the mount the pillow bearing housing to the left frame rail (welded in place). I sourced two new drive shafts, UJs and keys from McMaster-Carr (via their web app-- pretty cool, especially since I don't qualify for their big catalog!). Fun job, only tricky part being calculating just how long to make the new shafts and physically lifting the winch/bumper combo (175lbs maybe?) on and off several times. The new shafts came with pre-machined key slots--4" at one end and 14" at the other--which was quite handy. Reasons I had to replace the old shafts are that a) they were pretty manky and bent b) Watusi (donor of the winch) was NADA 6cyl 109 so its main PTO shaft was too long for the 2.25 109 layout c) wanted to reposition one of the UJs to reduce the angle and to allow more clearance. All I need to do now is head over to Carpenter Rigging for a new wire rope. Am thinking 6x37 for that, with one of those cool "Shur-Lock" won't-unlatch-under-load hooks. Bruce B: any suggestions? What size is your hook? The capacities in the Carpenter catalog look low to me for a given size cable? (mine is 5/16" I think). Paul: are you still planning a PTO winch install? I may have some bits/tricks you may find handy. Cheers, Blair (volunteering now as winch man for Mud Run '01) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 24 01:14:28 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10590 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 01:14:28 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:19:30 -0800 Subject: Re: Pershing's winch Message-ID: <20000323.202005.-94039.10.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-6,8-66 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Blair, glad you posted this - I just became the owner of one of these winches myself! Charles On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:02:11 -0800 "Blair Peterson" writes: > Last night, after we finished trying to get the squirrels in the cage > to run > the other way on his 109's heater blower, John K and I finished the > intallation of the PTO winch on my 109. He and I had earlier > installed the > PTO housing to the rear of the t-case, fashioned a lever linkage for > the > selector, and mounted the winch itself to the bumper. I farmed out > the > modifications needed to the exhaust (bend the downpipe to clear the > PTO > drive shaft), notch the crossmember and left engine mount (again to > clear > the shaft), and the mount the pillow bearing housing to the left > frame rail > (welded in place). > > I sourced two new drive shafts, UJs and keys from McMaster-Carr (via > their > web app-- pretty cool, especially since I don't qualify for their > big > catalog!). Fun job, only tricky part being calculating just how > long to > make the new shafts and physically lifting the winch/bumper combo > (175lbs > maybe?) on and off several times. The new shafts came with > pre-machined key > slots--4" at one end and 14" at the other--which was quite handy. > Reasons I > had to replace the old shafts are that a) they were pretty manky and > bent b) > Watusi (donor of the winch) was NADA 6cyl 109 so its main PTO shaft > was too > long for the 2.25 109 layout c) wanted to reposition one of the UJs > to > reduce the angle and to allow more clearance. > > All I need to do now is head over to Carpenter Rigging for a new > wire rope. > Am thinking 6x37 for that, with one of those cool "Shur-Lock" > won't-unlatch-under-load hooks. Bruce B: any suggestions? What > size is > your hook? The capacities in the Carpenter catalog look low to me > for a > given size cable? (mine is 5/16" I think). > > Paul: are you still planning a PTO winch install? I may have some > bits/tricks you may find handy. > > Cheers, > Blair > (volunteering now as winch man for Mud Run '01) > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 24 02:57:22 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA10629 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 02:57:22 -0500 Message-ID: <000301bf9556$e3d6e260$7500000a@kklaptop> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Sighting Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:33:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I just got back from San Rafael and I passed a white RHD D110 heading north on 101 with British plates that looked like it was set up for a round the world trip (roof rack, sand ladders, skid plates, snorkel, etc.). The guy waved back as I passed him. Kevin Kelly From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 24 02:57:20 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA10625 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 02:57:20 -0500 Message-ID: <000201bf9556$e25c7760$7500000a@kklaptop> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Body Shops Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:00:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Vinod S. Kripalani wrote: :I have a very request for a referral to a super body :shop in San Francisco. Of course, one that has :experience with Range Rovers and believes in :super quality and service. I am willing to pay a little :extra for great work. Then John Brabyn wrote: :If you find one let me know. I have had trouble finding :ones that will work on aluminum. The one I have used :for removing my off road dents is Classic Auto Body :in San Rafael. Sounds like John is talking about Classic Autocraft at 735 Lincoln Avenue in San Rafael (behind LR Marin) 415-459-1246. They gave me a bid (for over $500) after the Mail truck hit me. I never had them do any work (I just bought some new bumper end caps) but they claimed to do all the body work for Land Rover Marin and also do the body work for many LR Marin/RAB customers. I have been lucky and never had any body work done in N. Cal (but I got to know the guys at Phil Therale's Auto Body while living in San Diego) so I don't have any personal experience but I have heard nothing but rave reviews of the work at Brooks Auto Body in Oakland (mostly from BMW club members) 510-632-8901. I have heard Brooks also works on Rolls Royces, so they may also work on Range Rovers. Cars Dawydiak (415-928-2277) on Franklin in SF does a lot of work on Range Rovers and Rolls Royces for British Motors on Van Ness. They seem to do OK work, but I have heard of some anal people that were not real happy with their work. In the south Bay many BMW club people use Cavallno Collision in Palo Alto 415-326-9800. Kevin Kelly From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 24 03:25:20 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA10657 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 03:25:20 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: "Mendo" Subject: Rover 3.9L V-8 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:41:21 -0800 Message-ID: <000001bf955b$f770f180$4105193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org OK. My poor V-8 needs help. So I do some looking around to check on prices for parts. I think I'm going to part out my engine and be able to retire! Check this out: 3.9 Short Block (remanuf) $4295 + 500 core Intake valve - $15.50 Exhaust - $23.75 Valve seat, I - $49.50 E - $63.50 Push rod (ea)- $6.50 Rocker asmbly - $371.50 Cam - $248.00 Cam bearing set - $139.50 Crankshaft - $944.50 Main bearing st, .010" over - $147 Piston asmbly - $131.50 Con rod (ea?) - $135 Are these people on drugs? Valve seats cost about $5. Bearing (main) sets are usually about $50. Stainless valves are about $7. Cranks? For the price of this crank I can get a billet steel crank! (or a whole engine with 12 mo warranty). Pistons are normally about $25 - 35. I don't get it. This isn't a high-reving engine or have sodium filled valves. The SHORT block (remanufactured) is 1/2 what I paid for the WHOLE vehicle. Any idea what a person's to do? OK, rant mode off... Kelly Minnick From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 24 03:31:49 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA10667 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 03:31:49 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CD8BF@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Rover 3.9L V-8 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:42:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kelly, You're just looking in the wrong catalog. Put the RN and AB ones away, pick up JC Whitney, and think pre-64 Buick nail heads.... :^) -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 24 03:44:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA10680 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 03:44:04 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:50:41 -0800 Subject: Re: Rover 3.9L V-8 Message-ID: <20000323.225111.-94039.12.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,7-8,10-13,17-21,23-63 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kelly, do what I - or any sane person - would do: order everything from England! Seriously...bearings are cheap, rings can be had from Deves (do you even need to bore it???), and most of your gaskets are Buick! Any parts house should have 'em and if they don't, find a partial gasket set for a SD-1, and buy new 3.9 head gaskets. Rocker shafts? Are they worn out - or do the rockers need to be re-bushed? Valves: didja burn the exhaust valves? are the stems worn beyond re-use? If all your parts are THAT worn out, you may as well buy a rebuilt engine from England, and don't even waste your time rebuilding what you have! Save the pieces - maybe one day you can sell 'em, but then again, if they're THAT bad, maybe not. Charles (What did you do to that engine???) On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:41:21 -0800 "Kelly Minnick" writes: > OK. My poor V-8 needs help. So I do some looking around to check on > prices > for parts. I think I'm going to part out my engine and be able to > retire! > Check this out: > > 3.9 Short Block (remanuf) $4295 + 500 core > Intake valve - $15.50 > Exhaust - $23.75 > Valve seat, I - $49.50 > E - $63.50 > Push rod (ea)- $6.50 > Rocker asmbly - $371.50 > Cam - $248.00 > Cam bearing set - $139.50 > Crankshaft - $944.50 > Main bearing st, .010" over - $147 > Piston asmbly - $131.50 > Con rod (ea?) - $135 > > Are these people on drugs? Valve seats cost about $5. Bearing (main) > sets > are usually about $50. Stainless valves are about $7. Cranks? For > the price > of this crank I can get a billet steel crank! (or a whole engine > with 12 mo > warranty). Pistons are normally about $25 - 35. I don't get it. This > isn't a > high-reving engine or have sodium filled valves. The SHORT block > (remanufactured) is 1/2 what I paid for the WHOLE vehicle. Any idea > what a > person's to do? OK, rant mode off... > > Kelly Minnick > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 24 04:06:31 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10870 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 04:06:31 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Rover 3.9L V-8 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:22:31 -0800 Message-ID: <000201bf9561$b7e88ae0$4105193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20000323.225111.-94039.12.cirvin1258@juno.com> Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, the lifters are making noise, so I need to at least do the cam, lifters, timing chain & sprockets. Also, it's steaming pretty good, so I need at least head gaskets, intake & exhaust gaskets, valve cover gaskets. That would probably do it. That's bare bones. I'm looking at ordering the parts from RPI. They keep tempting me with the 4.6L Short block ($2320 USD) or the 3.9L Short ($1520 USD). These are Brand New. I bet shipping would be a small fortune, though. I went to replace the head gasket on my old series (Mehdi's series) and ended up doing a frame-off restoration.... :) Kelly Minnick > > Kelly, > > do what I - or any sane person - would do: order everything from England! > > Seriously...bearings are cheap, rings can be had from Deves (do you even > need to bore it???), and most of your gaskets are Buick! Any parts house > should have 'em and if they don't, find a partial gasket set for a SD-1, > and buy new 3.9 head gaskets. > > Rocker shafts? Are they worn out - or do the rockers need to be > re-bushed? > > Valves: didja burn the exhaust valves? are the stems worn beyond re-use? > > If all your parts are THAT worn out, you may as well buy a rebuilt engine > from England, and don't even waste your time rebuilding what you have! > Save the pieces - maybe one day you can sell 'em, but then again, if > they're THAT bad, maybe not. > > Charles > (What did you do to that engine???) > > On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:41:21 -0800 "Kelly Minnick" > writes: > > OK. My poor V-8 needs help. So I do some looking around to check on > > prices > > for parts. I think I'm going to part out my engine and be able to > > retire! > > Check this out: > > > > 3.9 Short Block (remanuf) $4295 + 500 core > > Intake valve - $15.50 > > Exhaust - $23.75 > > Valve seat, I - $49.50 > > E - $63.50 > > Push rod (ea)- $6.50 > > Rocker asmbly - $371.50 > > Cam - $248.00 > > Cam bearing set - $139.50 > > Crankshaft - $944.50 > > Main bearing st, .010" over - $147 > > Piston asmbly - $131.50 > > Con rod (ea?) - $135 > > > > Are these people on drugs? Valve seats cost about $5. Bearing (main) > > sets > > are usually about $50. Stainless valves are about $7. Cranks? For > > the price > > of this crank I can get a billet steel crank! (or a whole engine > > with 12 mo > > warranty). Pistons are normally about $25 - 35. I don't get it. This > > isn't a > > high-reving engine or have sodium filled valves. The SHORT block > > (remanufactured) is 1/2 what I paid for the WHOLE vehicle. Any idea > > what a > > person's to do? OK, rant mode off... > > > > Kelly Minnick > > > > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, > where all the women are strong, > all the men are good-looking, > and all the children, are above average." > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 24 04:08:07 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10880 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 04:08:07 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Rover 3.9L V-8 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:24:08 -0800 Message-ID: <000301bf9561$f1b99160$4105193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CD8BF@RCEXS2> Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yes, I know the F-85 and the Jetfire, etc. But head gasket and cam would be different, right? Are lifters, etc. the same? Later, Kelly Minnick > > > Kelly, > > You're just looking in the wrong catalog. Put the RN and AB ones > away, pick > up JC Whitney, and think pre-64 Buick nail heads.... :^) > > -Dave G. > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 24 04:16:51 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10892 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 04:16:51 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CD8C1@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Rover 3.9L V-8 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 00:27:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....Are lifters, etc. the same?....." I really don't know, bud. I just wish I still had the 356 Wildcat motor my dad used to drag race in a '50 Chevy. The 11:1 pistons, Offy hi-rise, and dual quads would really motivate the ol' Disco! :^) -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 24 05:43:41 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA10934 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 05:43:41 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 00:50:46 -0800 Subject: Re: Rover 3.9L V-8 Message-ID: <20000324.005048.-178819.0.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,5-6,11-12,17-18,21-24,26-138 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kelly, The lifters in these engines are prone to stick - even if they're new (especially the 3.5's). Try revving it a little, and see if they still make noise. BEFORE YOU DO THAT - Check the oil level though: could be low on oil/incorrect grade/bad oil pump gears. Lotsa people don't know this, but the dizzy drive/oil pump drive are weak spots on the engine: not enough oil flow here, and both these drive shafts/gears can wear prematurely - another thing the 3.5's were known for. (my SD-1 has had this fix already, but is due for another set of oil pump gears, which have been sitting on my diningroom table for.......) The head gaskets: Land Rover has new composite gaskets that come with a new set of bolts, and a different torque spec - this should take care of the steam. (early 3.9's were prone to blowing head gaskets it seems) Make sure you surface the heads at the same time. No need to check for cracks - they don't. I would take a looksee at these before dumping big bucks into a new engine, even though the new gaskets/bolts are $$$ - still cheaper than a engine that may not be required. Charles On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:22:31 -0800 "Kelly Minnick" writes: > Well, the lifters are making noise, so I need to at least do the cam, > lifters, timing chain & sprockets. Also, it's steaming pretty good, > so I > need at least head gaskets, intake & exhaust gaskets, valve cover > gaskets. > That would probably do it. That's bare bones. I'm looking at > ordering the > parts from RPI. They keep tempting me with the 4.6L Short block > ($2320 USD) > or the 3.9L Short ($1520 USD). These are Brand New. I bet shipping > would be > a small fortune, though. > > I went to replace the head gasket on my old series (Mehdi's series) > and > ended up doing a frame-off restoration.... :) > > Kelly Minnick > > > > > Kelly, > > > > do what I - or any sane person - would do: order everything from > England! > > > > Seriously...bearings are cheap, rings can be had from Deves (do > you even > > need to bore it???), and most of your gaskets are Buick! Any parts > house > > should have 'em and if they don't, find a partial gasket set for a > SD-1, > > and buy new 3.9 head gaskets. > > > > Rocker shafts? Are they worn out - or do the rockers need to be > > re-bushed? > > > > Valves: didja burn the exhaust valves? are the stems worn beyond > re-use? > > > > If all your parts are THAT worn out, you may as well buy a rebuilt > engine > > from England, and don't even waste your time rebuilding what you > have! > > Save the pieces - maybe one day you can sell 'em, but then again, > if > > they're THAT bad, maybe not. > > > > Charles > > (What did you do to that engine???) > > > > On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:41:21 -0800 "Kelly Minnick" > > > writes: > > > OK. My poor V-8 needs help. So I do some looking around to check > on > > > prices > > > for parts. I think I'm going to part out my engine and be able > to > > > retire! > > > Check this out: > > > > > > 3.9 Short Block (remanuf) $4295 + 500 core > > > Intake valve - $15.50 > > > Exhaust - $23.75 > > > Valve seat, I - $49.50 > > > E - $63.50 > > > Push rod (ea)- $6.50 > > > Rocker asmbly - $371.50 > > > Cam - $248.00 > > > Cam bearing set - $139.50 > > > Crankshaft - $944.50 > > > Main bearing st, .010" over - $147 > > > Piston asmbly - $131.50 > > > Con rod (ea?) - $135 > > > > > > Are these people on drugs? Valve seats cost about $5. Bearing > (main) > > > sets > > > are usually about $50. Stainless valves are about $7. Cranks? > For > > > the price > > > of this crank I can get a billet steel crank! (or a whole engine > > > with 12 mo > > > warranty). Pistons are normally about $25 - 35. I don't get it. > This > > > isn't a > > > high-reving engine or have sodium filled valves. The SHORT block > > > (remanufactured) is 1/2 what I paid for the WHOLE vehicle. Any > idea > > > what a > > > person's to do? OK, rant mode off... > > > > > > Kelly Minnick > > > > > > > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, > > where all the women are strong, > > all the men are good-looking, > > and all the children, are above average." > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 24 05:53:48 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA10947 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 05:53:48 -0500 Message-ID: <38DB2F2A.9887760A@slip.net> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 01:02:34 -0800 From: Mehdi and Christine X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Rover 3.9L V-8 References: <000001bf955b$f770f180$4105193f@minnick> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Alfa parts has very low mileage engines. Get that for 2/3 of the short block and save time and money? That is a 4.0 (more quite engine) I can got there and check it for you if you want. Mehdi Kelly Minnick wrote: > OK. My poor V-8 needs help. So I do some looking around to check on prices > for parts. I think I'm going to part out my engine and be able to retire! > Check this out: > > 3.9 Short Block (remanuf) $4295 + 500 core > Intake valve - $15.50 > Exhaust - $23.75 > Valve seat, I - $49.50 > E - $63.50 > Push rod (ea)- $6.50 > Rocker asmbly - $371.50 > Cam - $248.00 > Cam bearing set - $139.50 > Crankshaft - $944.50 > Main bearing st, .010" over - $147 > Piston asmbly - $131.50 > Con rod (ea?) - $135 > > Are these people on drugs? Valve seats cost about $5. Bearing (main) sets > are usually about $50. Stainless valves are about $7. Cranks? For the price > of this crank I can get a billet steel crank! (or a whole engine with 12 mo > warranty). Pistons are normally about $25 - 35. I don't get it. This isn't a > high-reving engine or have sodium filled valves. The SHORT block > (remanufactured) is 1/2 what I paid for the WHOLE vehicle. Any idea what a > person's to do? OK, rant mode off... > > Kelly Minnick From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 24 11:50:16 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11471 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:50:16 -0500 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:46:54 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Rover 3.9L V-8 In-Reply-To: <20000324.005048.-178819.0.cirvin1258@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org My Dad has a TR8 engine sitting in his garage that he has wanted to drop in his MGB (a project I know he will never get around to). Now that he and I both have 89 RRs, I wonder about using it in one of our trucks should the need arise. Anyone know what is different between the 3.5 that was in the TR8 and the 3.9 in the RR? Besides FI and the extra 0.4 litres? From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 24 11:54:01 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11496 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:54:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200003241508.HAA17575@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: Rover 3.9L V-8 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 00 07:06:14 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >OK. My poor V-8 needs help. So I do some looking around to check on prices >for parts. I think I'm going to part out my engine and be able to retire! >Check this out: > >3.9 Short Block (remanuf) $4295 + 500 core 5L Ford long block (remanuf) $1000 + 250 core (3 year or 30,000 mi warrenty included) That was one of my big reasons for not going with the GM aluminum engine. Well that and the extra HP, greater reliability, but just in case, the fact that every machanic in the States knows how to work on one and every auto parts house has parts for one is a plus to me. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 24 12:01:10 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11559 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:01:10 -0500 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200003241508.HAA17575@blackie.cruzers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:03:39 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Russ Wilson Subject: Re: Rover 3.9L V-8 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >>OK. My poor V-8 needs help. So I do some looking around to check on prices >>for parts. I think I'm going to part out my engine and be able to retire! >>Check this out: >> >>3.9 Short Block (remanuf) $4295 + 500 core > >5L Ford long block (remanuf) $1000 + 250 core > (3 year or 30,000 mi warrenty included) > >That was one of my big reasons for not going with the GM aluminum engine. > Well that and the extra HP, greater reliability, but just in case, the >fact that every machanic in the States knows how to work on one and every >auto parts house has parts for one is a plus to me. Just make sure you bolt it in REAL tight....... Russ and Leslie Wilson "Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains." -Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 24 12:05:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11588 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:05:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200003241519.HAA17934@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: RE: Rover 3.9L V-8 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 00 07:17:14 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I really don't know, bud. I just wish I still had the 356 Wildcat motor my >dad used to drag race in a '50 Chevy. The 11:1 pistons, Offy hi-rise, and >dual quads would really motivate the ol' Disco! :^) Dave you got the wrong parent company. These days if you want to think "Land Rover" day dream about the old overhead cam 427 with a row of duel throat webers lined up between the valve covers or a Ford/Cosworth engine.... The Ford SVO group has some very special new engines available for the price range of Kelly's GM short block. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 24 12:20:11 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11705 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:20:11 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.20000324072307.00b34be0@mail.halcyon.com> X-Sender: clarkebw@mail.halcyon.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:26:56 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Clarke Williams Subject: Re: Rover 3.9L V-8 In-Reply-To: <000001bf955b$f770f180$4105193f@minnick> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kelly, You have just discovered one of the reasons why I decided to go with the 6.5L GM diesel instead of the Land Rover V8! Other reasons are improved power, much better fuel economy, safer fuel, better parts availability (a friend of mine found a good set of used cylinder heads and a bunch of other parts in Anuvik above the Arctic Circle). Clarke At 10:41 PM 23-03-00 -0800, you wrote: >OK. My poor V-8 needs help. So I do some looking around to check on prices >for parts. I think I'm going to part out my engine and be able to retire! >Check this out: > >3.9 Short Block (remanuf) $4295 + 500 core >Intake valve - $15.50 >Exhaust - $23.75 >Valve seat, I - $49.50 > E - $63.50 >Push rod (ea)- $6.50 >Rocker asmbly - $371.50 >Cam - $248.00 >Cam bearing set - $139.50 >Crankshaft - $944.50 >Main bearing st, .010" over - $147 >Piston asmbly - $131.50 >Con rod (ea?) - $135 > >Are these people on drugs? Valve seats cost about $5. Bearing (main) sets >are usually about $50. Stainless valves are about $7. Cranks? For the price >of this crank I can get a billet steel crank! (or a whole engine with 12 mo >warranty). Pistons are normally about $25 - 35. I don't get it. This isn't a >high-reving engine or have sodium filled valves. The SHORT block >(remanufactured) is 1/2 what I paid for the WHOLE vehicle. Any idea what a >person's to do? OK, rant mode off... > >Kelly Minnick From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 24 12:44:59 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11822 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:44:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200003241559.HAA19306@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: Rover 3.9L V-8 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 00 07:57:10 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Just make sure you bolt it in REAL tight....... Well, yeh, I'll blame that one on Timm Cooper for not using lock washers on the engine mounts. I would put that one in the new engine "teething" catagory. But I was sure happy that Pat Young was along and that he extended his front bumper using 7/16ths course bolts. What I didn't mention was the result of going aireborne with modified front springs. Yes I know it takes a certain amount of something to go out and try to fly an almost 5500 pound Land Rover. The hard plastic sheets between the leaves let the springs articulate much better than the stock arangment. Upon landing, the springs compressed enough for the diff housing to severly dent a corner of the oil pan. And that is with 2 inch longer shackles. When the car is static, there is about a foot or more space between the diff and oil pan and I thought the rubber stops were long enough... My to-do list now includes adding the front axle stop extenders that came in military 109s. These are rubber blocks that go between the frame and the stock LR axle stops and extends them. Gosh, make it easy for springs to flex and darned if they don't flex... Majave tower, this is Green Rover zero five zero reporting over the majave trail for landing.... TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.shadow-catcher.net <- Photography for sale http://www.overlander.net <- Web directory for Land Rover http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman <- My personal web site "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 24 12:46:02 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11834 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:46:02 -0500 Message-ID: <009901bf95a8$e91253c0$443377d8@delllap> From: "Paul Archibald" To: References: <20000323.202005.-94039.10.cirvin1258@juno.com> Subject: Re: Pershing's winch Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:52:07 -0800 Organization: P. A. Design X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Blair, > > glad you posted this - I just became the owner of one of these winches > myself! Blair, Charles we should start our own koenig club ;-) Charles, are you gonna run it out the rear or front? If you don't have the shafts and misc for the rear you can look at mine for specs. I have the assy for a 109 actually, and just don't use the second shaft when using in an 88", so or now until I get a dormie in a coupla years It's going into Elgie..... Paul From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 24 12:51:46 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11861 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:51:46 -0500 Message-ID: <009f01bf95a9$b57c5820$443377d8@delllap> From: "Paul Archibald" To: References: <003601bf953d$5a317e80$ae051fd1@BlairPC> Subject: Re: Pershing's winch Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:57:50 -0800 Organization: P. A. Design X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > All I need to do now is head over to Carpenter Rigging for a new wire rope. > Am thinking 6x37 for that, with one of those cool "Shur-Lock" > won't-unlatch-under-load hooks. Bruce B: any suggestions? What size is > your hook? The capacities in the Carpenter catalog look low to me for a > given size cable? (mine is 5/16" I think). 5/16? Kinda scrawny! Mine had 1/2 or 5/8 if I remember correctly... let me kn ow what Carpenters ends up setting you up with. > > Paul: are you still planning a PTO winch install? I may have some > bits/tricks you may find handy. Blair, I'll be in touch shortly for all the inportant info for my install..... Paul Anyone need a boyer-schultz surface grinder? cheap compared to new! ;-) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 24 12:58:01 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11900 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:58:01 -0500 Message-ID: <00a501bf95aa$957adfa0$443377d8@delllap> From: "Paul Archibald" To: References: <200003241559.HAA19306@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: TW Flying the brean beastie was Re: Rover 3.9L V-8 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:04:06 -0800 Organization: P. A. Design X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, TW no wonder, ....you sheared off the engine bolts!!!!!!! The lock washers may not have helped depending on how hard the hit was! They only help with vibration. Grade-8 hardware? I have a feeling he used grade-5 in a pinch being late in the day! See if he remembers. I have sheared grade-8 a coupla times myself. Thats-a-lotta weight and when you use physics.....well breakage was a given. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo rec list Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 7:57 AM Subject: Re: Rover 3.9L V-8 > > >Just make sure you bolt it in REAL tight....... > > Well, yeh, I'll blame that one on Timm Cooper for not using lock washers > on the engine mounts. I would put that one in the new engine "teething" > catagory. > > But I was sure happy that Pat Young was along and that he extended his > front bumper using 7/16ths course bolts. > > What I didn't mention was the result of going aireborne with modified > front springs. Yes I know it takes a certain amount of something to go > out and try to fly an almost 5500 pound Land Rover. The hard plastic > sheets between the leaves let the springs articulate much better than the > stock arangment. Upon landing, the springs compressed enough for the > diff housing to severly dent a corner of the oil pan. And that is with 2 > inch longer shackles. When the car is static, there is about a foot or > more space between the diff and oil pan and I thought the rubber stops > were long enough... > > My to-do list now includes adding the front axle stop extenders that came > in military 109s. These are rubber blocks that go between the frame and > the stock LR axle stops and extends them. > > Gosh, make it easy for springs to flex and darned if they don't flex... > > Majave tower, this is Green Rover zero five zero reporting over the > majave trail for landing.... > > TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please > Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - > twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message > > http://www.shadow-catcher.net <- Photography for sale > http://www.overlander.net <- Web directory for Land Rover > http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman <- My personal web site > > "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" > Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 24 13:12:01 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11923 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:12:01 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000324081443.00893cc0@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:14:43 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: TW Flying the brean beastie was Re: Rover 3.9L V-8 In-Reply-To: <00a501bf95aa$957adfa0$443377d8@delllap> References: <200003241559.HAA19306@blackie.cruzers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 08:04 AM 3/24/2000 -0800, you wrote: >Well, TW no wonder, ....you sheared off the engine bolts!!!!!!! >The lock washers may not have helped depending on how hard the hit was! They >only help with vibration. Grade-8 hardware? I have a feeling he used grade-5 >in a pinch being late in the day! See if he remembers. I have sheared >grade-8 a coupla times myself. Thats-a-lotta weight and when you use >physics.....well breakage was a given. > >Paul I doubt if they were sheared. If they were, TeriAnn would have had to remove the stubs. Bob B >----- Original Message ----- >From: TeriAnn Wakeman >To: mendo rec list >Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 7:57 AM >Subject: Re: Rover 3.9L V-8 > > >> >> >Just make sure you bolt it in REAL tight....... >> >> Well, yeh, I'll blame that one on Timm Cooper for not using lock washers >> on the engine mounts. I would put that one in the new engine "teething" >> catagory. >> >> But I was sure happy that Pat Young was along and that he extended his >> front bumper using 7/16ths course bolts. >> >> What I didn't mention was the result of going aireborne with modified >> front springs. Yes I know it takes a certain amount of something to go >> out and try to fly an almost 5500 pound Land Rover. The hard plastic >> sheets between the leaves let the springs articulate much better than the >> stock arangment. Upon landing, the springs compressed enough for the >> diff housing to severly dent a corner of the oil pan. And that is with 2 >> inch longer shackles. When the car is static, there is about a foot or >> more space between the diff and oil pan and I thought the rubber stops >> were long enough... >> >> My to-do list now includes adding the front axle stop extenders that came >> in military 109s. These are rubber blocks that go between the frame and >> the stock LR axle stops and extends them. >> >> Gosh, make it easy for springs to flex and darned if they don't flex... >> >> Majave tower, this is Green Rover zero five zero reporting over the >> majave trail for landing.... >> >> TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please >> Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - >> twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message >> >> http://www.shadow-catcher.net <- Photography for sale >> http://www.overlander.net <- Web directory for Land Rover >> http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman <- My personal web site >> >> "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" >> Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 >> > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 24 13:21:49 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11959 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:21:49 -0500 Message-ID: <38DB9864.A202193D@wenet.net> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:31:32 -0800 From: "Bruce R. Bonar" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Pershing's winch References: <003601bf953d$5a317e80$ae051fd1@BlairPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Blair Peterson wrote: > All I need to do now is head over to Carpenter Rigging for a new wire rope. > Am thinking 6x37 for that, with one of those cool "Shur-Lock" > won't-unlatch-under-load hooks. Bruce B: any suggestions? What size is > your hook? The capacities in the Carpenter catalog look low to me for a > given size cable? (mine is 5/16" I think). I'll check the hook size tonight. I should have gotton one size bigger, not for strength but for throat width, and have gotten one with a swivel. I would also recommend not having it swaged directly to the cable. That way if you want to change the hook you can just buy one rather than have to make a trip to Carpenter like I'm going to. I do recommend the 6x37 cable. Bruce Let's go get stuck so Blair can winch us out! From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 24 13:37:02 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11989 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:37:02 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.20000324082928.00cb68f0@mail.halcyon.com> X-Sender: clarkebw@mail.halcyon.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:43:41 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Clarke Williams Subject: Engine mount bolts [was Rover 3.9L V-8] In-Reply-To: <200003241559.HAA19306@blackie.cruzers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TeriAnn, I personally would use fine thread bolts for this purpose. Locktite and flat washers with lock-washers for the block bolts. Drill bolt heads for safety wire and use it. Flat washers on one side and flat washers with Lock-washers on other side and metal locking nuts for through bolts. Drill bolt heads (in the block bolts) for safety wire and use it. Use Grade 8 fasteners. Maintain altitude below 2 feet AGL and proceed on course. Overall it sounds like the small Ford V8 is working very nicely for you. It certainly was a nice installation. We just returned from going to Canada to pick up the 109 5-door. We pulled it back on a flat trailer behind a Suburban with 6.2L NA diesel. Boy is that a nice engine. Easily maintained 63 mph with 109 on trailer. Boy oh Boy did the Suburban's seats suck -- I haven't put more than 10 miles on my arse in anything other than a LR seat in years. I sure missed riding in a LR seat after riding a few miles in the Suburban. Cheers, Clarke At 07:57 AM 24-03-00 -0800, you wrote: > >>Just make sure you bolt it in REAL tight....... > >Well, yeh, I'll blame that one on Timm Cooper for not using lock washers >on the engine mounts. I would put that one in the new engine "teething" >catagory. > > But I was sure happy that Pat Young was along and that he extended his >front bumper using 7/16ths course bolts. >TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please >Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - >twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 24 13:44:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12038 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:44:21 -0500 From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: spring splint Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:03:00 -0800 Message-ID: <002a01bf95b2$cf9f3ca0$ae051fd1@BlairPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bob B, Tell me more about your emergency spring splint! In all of his travels, the PO carried one main leaf (with the bushings in place) and one shock for front and rear (which I have). But pulling a spring set apart to replace the broken main leaf sounds tough to me. Cheers, Blair (with old, tired springs on the 109) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 24 13:48:51 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12098 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:48:51 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:54:17 -0800 Subject: Re: Pershing's winch Message-ID: <20000324.085454.-178819.2.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,4-5,7-8,10-13,15-44 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >From what I understand, there's two types: on that has dual outputs, and one that has a single output. I'm getting a single output because 1my rear crossmember doesn't have a PTO hole in it. (if that's where it ends up) 2. this is the only type the seller has...unledd there's something that he doesn't know about it... I saw the bit about installing a driveshaft support: is that a must? I dunno if this one comes with that. Charles On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:52:07 -0800 "Paul Archibald" writes: > > Blair, > > > > glad you posted this - I just became the owner of one of these > winches > > myself! > > Blair, Charles we should start our own koenig club ;-) > > Charles, are you gonna run it out the rear or front? If you don't > have the > shafts and misc for the rear you can look at mine for specs. I have > the assy > for a 109 actually, and just don't use the second shaft when using > in an > 88", so or now until I get a dormie in a coupla years It's going > into > Elgie..... > > Paul > > > > > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 24 14:05:02 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12146 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:05:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200003241719.JAA23496@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: TW Flying the brean beastie was Re: Rover 3.9L V-8 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 00 09:17:15 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Well, TW no wonder, ....you sheared off the engine bolts!!!!!!! Nope. Bolts are 7/16ths and not in a direction likely to see much force from vertical movment. The one remaining bolt did not have a lock washer. Also if the heads were sheard (and it takes a lot to do in even a grade 6 7/16ths bolt) the threads would be inside. These guys just lossened and fell off (vertically placed with head down). TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 24 14:17:32 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12214 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:17:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200003241731.JAA24215@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: Engine mount bolts [was Rover 3.9L V-8] Date: Fri, 24 Mar 00 09:29:46 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I personally would use fine thread bolts for this purpose. The engine block is drilled and tapped for 7/16ths corse engine mounting bolts. It is my current understanding that corse threads is best when going into cast iron. Going to fine thread would mean drilling out the engine block for 3/4 inch bolts and retapping. I'm inclined to think 7/16ths corse bolts into the engine block is OK. I just also think lock washers and maybe some locktite is a good idea too. If I had a source of hardened 7/16ths bolts with tie wire holes in the heads I would be happier though. My local HW stores do not carry them. >Overall it sounds like the small Ford V8 is working very nicely for you. Overall I'm very happy with it. Even if I do have to go out and purchase a new fan and a new radiator. >We just returned from going to >Canada to pick up the 109 5-door. We pulled it back on a flat trailer >behind a Suburban with 6.2L NA diesel. Timm has a 109 five door and a 6.2 diesel engine set asside to build a LR for his father. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 24 14:26:22 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12249 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:26:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200003241740.JAA24723@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Container from UK to US West coast?? Date: Fri, 24 Mar 00 09:38:31 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "LRO list" , "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anyone thinking of shipping a container from the UK to the West coast? If so I could be willing to share costs for space to place a trailer. and maybe a couple odds & ends that would fit inside the trailer like a set of bridging ladders TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 24 14:30:17 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12286 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:30:17 -0500 From: "Paul Archibald" To: mendo rec list X-CC-Sender: paarch@jps.net Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 17:37:05 GMT Subject: Re: Engine mount bolts [was Rover 3.9L V-8] X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <38dba7c1.24b.0@jps.net> X-User-Info: 216.49.48.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >If I had a source of hardened 7/16ths bolts with tie wire holes in the >heads I would be happier though. My local HW stores do not carry them. TeriAnn, I'll look for my drilling jigs for you. THey sell them in aviation tool catalogues. Two kinds, one for bolt heads and the other for through the threads to put a cotter pin with castellated nut or just safety wire as well. If I can't find them, I'll end up making a set, so may make a coupla sets at the same time. good project for me to get used to the toys. Paul From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 24 14:37:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12334 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:37:25 -0500 From: "Paul Archibald" To: mendo rec list X-CC-Sender: paarch@jps.net Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 17:44:13 GMT Subject: Re: Pershing's winch X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <38dba96d.95f.0@jps.net> X-User-Info: 216.49.48.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Nope! there are three types that I know of. 1: direct rear output 2: front output 3: dual output (Granny has one of these if I remember correctly...That's the one I want. I have the first two kinds, so with some fabrication/modifying (need to look at pershing) I could install on the front instead.. Paul >>From what I understand, there's two types: on that has dual outputs, and >one that has a single output. I'm getting a single output because > >1my rear crossmember doesn't have a PTO hole in it. (if that's where it >ends up) > >2. this is the only type the seller has...unledd there's something that >he doesn't know about it... > >I saw the bit about installing a driveshaft support: is that a must? I >dunno if this one comes with that. > >Charles From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 24 15:53:13 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12546 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:53:13 -0500 From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: winch hook Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:11:52 -0800 Message-ID: <005a01bf95c4$d0c281c0$ae051fd1@BlairPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bruce, Thanks for the info. Don't want to get to fancy with this thing, given the amount I get out on the trail, and the amount I actually need a winch... but ok, I'll admit it, it sure looks 'proper' on the front of the old IIA 109! Cheers, Blair (happy to oblige when someone needs a good tug-- assuming I can get the wheezy old truck there) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 24 17:15:55 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12832 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 17:15:55 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000324121936.0088d9a0@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:19:36 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: spring splint In-Reply-To: <002a01bf95b2$cf9f3ca0$ae051fd1@BlairPC> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 09:03 AM 3/24/2000 -0800,Blair Peterson wrote: >Bob B, > >Tell me more about your emergency spring splint! Hi Blair, Nothing special. I had a cheep pair of shackles from a Grand auto for no real reason. They were made from bar stock about 2"wide and maybe 1/4" thick with several holes for adjusting ride height (street stuff). And some grade 8 bolts. When I overloaded and broke a rear spring on my Ser-1 50-80" in the backwoods behind Shasta lake, The axle was shifting back and forth making it a bit spooky to drive. So I clamped the broken leaf to the next one by putting the bars across the leafs (leaves?). So there is a similar thing in Shermans seatbox for a justincase. Bob B > >In all of his travels, the PO carried one main leaf (with the bushings in >place) and one shock for front and rear (which I have). But pulling a >spring set apart to replace the broken main leaf sounds tough to me. > >Cheers, >Blair >(with old, tired springs on the 109) > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 24 18:36:38 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12998 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 18:36:38 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Rover 3.9L V-8 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:52:43 -0800 Message-ID: <000401bf95db$487ea8e0$4905193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <38DB2F2A.9887760A@slip.net> Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Medhi- They quoted me $2500 for a low mileage engine. With the prices of new 4.6 short block from RPI, it's a toss up. Thanks for the offer. I'll let you know what I do. Later, Kelly Minnick > > Alfa parts has very low mileage engines. Get that for 2/3 of the > short block > and save time and money? That is a 4.0 (more quite engine) > > I can got there and check it for you if you want. > > Mehdi From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 24 18:36:32 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12994 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 18:36:32 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Rover 3.9L V-8 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:52:37 -0800 Message-ID: <000301bf95db$44c375a0$4905193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CD8C1@RCEXS2> Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hmm... My gramma's Olds Jetfire had the 3.5L with alcohol injection... Just what the granny needs, too. Kelly Minnick > > > "....Are lifters, etc. the same?....." > > I really don't know, bud. I just wish I still had the 356 > Wildcat motor my > dad used to drag race in a '50 Chevy. The 11:1 pistons, Offy hi-rise, and > dual quads would really motivate the ol' Disco! :^) > > -Dave G. > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 24 18:42:30 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13025 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 18:42:30 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Rover 3.9L V-8 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:58:34 -0800 Message-ID: <000501bf95dc$19b06e80$4905193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20000324.005048.-178819.0.cirvin1258@juno.com> Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The lifter 'problem' started when I bought the vehicle and tried to clean up the engine by running rislon through her. There was NO lifter noise when I bought it. All that crud fell into the lifter area... Also, all pre-94 engines are prone to the head gasket problem. The fix was in only using 10 bolts per head and not using the off-set loading by adding the other 4 bolts. See the new block design (4.0 & 4.6L). Also, the composite helps, but not necessary with the new design. Oil pump Bases are prone to wear (and the release valve sticking). Timing chain wear is excessive on these engines. The Duplex chains are much better... Check out RPI's web site for all the skinny on the V-8. The 4.6L sounds like they finally have things right (except oil pump)... Kelly Minnick > > > Kelly, > > The lifters in these engines are prone to stick - even if they're new > (especially the 3.5's). Try revving it a little, and see if they still > make noise. BEFORE YOU DO THAT - Check the oil level though: could be low > on oil/incorrect grade/bad oil pump gears. > > Lotsa people don't know this, but the dizzy drive/oil pump drive are weak > spots on the engine: not enough oil flow here, and both these drive > shafts/gears can wear prematurely - another thing the 3.5's were known > for. (my SD-1 has had this fix already, but is due for another set of oil > pump gears, which have been sitting on my diningroom table for.......) > > The head gaskets: Land Rover has new composite gaskets that come with a > new set of bolts, and a different torque spec - this should take care of > the steam. (early 3.9's were prone to blowing head gaskets it seems) Make > sure you surface the heads at the same time. No need to check for cracks > - they don't. > > I would take a looksee at these before dumping big bucks into a new > engine, even though the new gaskets/bolts are $$$ - still cheaper than a > engine that may not be required. > > Charles > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 24 19:31:41 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13169 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 19:31:41 -0500 From: "Worldwide Rovers" To: Subject: 3.litre price blues Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:33:36 -0800 Message-ID: <000101bf95e0$fe6afaa0$b92664d8@com.humboldt1.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200003241745.MAA11829@guinness.ovlr.org> Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kelly..... What about a 350 Chevy. I keep thinking that I want more torque and power and the mechanic says it will fit right in. RN says that the added weight of the iron motor causes handling problems but since a winch & ARB bumper would add more weight (?) and be further forward, I don't buy their argument. Anyone done it? BTW, I have a 3.0 litre Toyota diesel in my 109 and you can buy this motor - used - and even its turbo brothers directly from Spector Offroad (www.sor.com). Some motors even include a 5 speed trans. The engine fits very nicely in place of the 2.25 petrol, has more power (93hp) more torque (150lbs) and obviously gets better mileage. Time to race, Charles? Clark Bowen From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 24 19:59:22 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13197 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 19:59:22 -0500 Message-ID: <20000324230609.22789.qmail@web701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:06:09 -0800 (PST) From: KC Subject: Re: Pershing's winch--wire rope To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Blair: This morning when thumbing through The Sportman's Guide lastest catalog, I saw a cable of about these dimensions for $49. I don't have the catalog w/me or remember, but I think it was ~30' long, loops on each end, some kind of hook, and was rated >10,000#s--said it was built for some military group for pulling tanks our of holes. Let me know if you want me to check for more info. KC --- Blair Peterson wrote: > All I need to do now is head over to Carpenter Rigging for a new wire > rope. > Am thinking 6x37 for that, with one of those cool "Shur-Lock" > won't-unlatch-under-load hooks. Bruce B: any suggestions? What size is > your hook? The capacities in the Carpenter catalog look low to me for a > given size cable? (mine is 5/16" I think). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 24 20:07:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13242 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 20:07:04 -0500 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:03:47 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Rover 3.9L V-8 In-Reply-To: <000401bf95db$487ea8e0$4905193f@minnick> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kelly, Have you spoken to Dave Brown? He lives in Phoenix, and put a 4.6 in his 87 RR after blowing the 3.5. Might want to ask him about how much it ended up costing. His email is debrown@srpnet.com. James From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 25 01:15:50 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14004 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 01:15:50 -0500 Message-ID: <38DC3E52.15296017@slip.net> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 20:19:30 -0800 From: Jeremy Bartlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Rover 3.9L V-8 References: <000501bf95dc$19b06e80$4905193f@minnick> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kelly Minnick wrote: > Also, all pre-94 engines are prone to the head gasket problem. The fix was > in only using 10 bolts per head and not using the off-set loading by adding > the other 4 bolts. See the new block design (4.0 & 4.6L). Also, the > composite helps, but not necessary with the new design. Go with the composite gasket. Make sure the head/block are appropriately textured. Some are too 'polished' and with the expansion coefficient of Al that leads to problems (like any Al block.. not Rover specific).. Also check the gasket vs. block pattern; there are 3 holes on each upper end of the gasket. When it is laid on the block you will see that the upper drain back hole (into the lifter gallery) is partially over the front casting of the block. Consider grinding/filing away this part of the block to avoid oil leaks (they look like they're coming from the intake corners). Regarding the 4.0 /4.6 are you considering a timing cover change (change to serpentine belt)? If not the covers are interchangeable but you'll have to mix/match cam etc. Although that's based on NAS parts and I've not checked alternatives (UK, etc. and RPI, JE etc.) The 4.0/4.6 does have a higher volume oil pump than the 3.9 (interna/external gear pump rather than 2 meshing external gears); oil passage ways are also larger which is nice. I don't know how the 3.9 pump (you'd have to keep this is you want to keep the original multiple belt set up handles flow through the 4.0/4.6 galleries; it's probably OK (perhaps Ben Mitchell can comment?) I'm considering a 4.0 (maybe 4.6) swap myself but haven't worked through the details yet. (Sort of depends on what blows my way too). Power issues apart (frankly not a bid deal for me), the advantages of the 4.0/4.6 are better oil flow (theoretically cooler) locally improved casting, and cross bolted strength. Jeremy From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 25 02:03:30 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14029 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 02:03:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200003250508.VAA20020@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 21:06:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: snow run X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org seeing as how this is the 1st time this week I've been able to read E-mail, I guess I'm not going on either TomW > Anyone going on the snow run. Just checking, because if no one is going, > I'll go help Jeremy clear trails. > > -Rob > > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1642.. LandRovers tax evasion is a crime, tax avoidance is your right! tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 25 06:10:34 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA14270 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 06:10:34 -0500 To: lro@playground.sun.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 01:14:52 -0800 Subject: Question... Message-ID: <20000325.011731.-177015.0.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-6,9-14 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anybody around these parts happen to have the email address for the Australian Land Rover list?? I used to have it, but lost it. (if you saw what this place used to look like, you'd understand) I figure I'll try and contact a few folks there before I leave LAX. Thanks, Charles P.S. I did FINALLY confirm that I have to fly there the long-way round...typical English humor...at least I'll be able to get a few SD-1 parts while I'm in London. "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 25 16:19:38 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14670 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 16:19:38 -0500 From: Biophilian@aol.com Message-ID: <18.1dc3393.260e6cb9@aol.com> Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 14:25:45 EST Subject: Re: Rover 3.9L V-8 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Michael Slade replaced his 3.9L with a 4.2L. If I've been paying attention, he's in Utah at the present time, but i'm sure he'd give you his "2 cents worth." I didn't get the impression it was an inexpensive project. I'd love to replace my 3.5 with a 4.6.... Aren't they getting something like 220 hp out of 'em these days? I could do 65 up the pass! Kevan Wiser From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 25 16:39:02 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14691 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 16:39:02 -0500 From: Biophilian@aol.com Message-ID: <74.2430516.260e7148@aol.com> Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 14:45:12 EST Subject: Set of 4 Tires--Free in Seattle To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I realize it may be a little too far north for most of you, but i have a set of four Dunlop Radial Rover A/T's that i'd be willing to give/swap to/with someone that could use them. They're in Seattle. They were on my RR when i bought it but are just a little too refined for my purposes...heh, heh, heh. They're size P235/70/R16 and have some life left in them(halfish). When i changed tires a couple months ago i felt guilty throwing them out, but they don't see much use now that they aren't on wheels--go figure. Any takers? e-mail me off list with subject line: THEY'RE MINE! biophilian@aol.com Kevan Wiser From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 25 20:22:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14900 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 20:22:08 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Rover 3.9L V-8 Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 15:38:12 -0800 Message-ID: <000001bf96b3$2f0f2fa0$c405193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <18.1dc3393.260e6cb9@aol.com> Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The 4.6 can be run all the way up to 380 hp with the right EFI/caming, head porting... It's a STROKED block, not bored... ie torque rise all the way from idle... RPI claims the 4.2 isn't worth rebuilding compared to the 3.9L & 4.0 &4.6 Kelly Minnick > > > Michael Slade replaced his 3.9L with a 4.2L. If I've been paying > attention, > he's in Utah at the present time, but i'm sure he'd give you his "2 cents > worth." I didn't get the impression it was an inexpensive > project. I'd love > to replace my 3.5 with a 4.6.... Aren't they getting something > like 220 hp > out of 'em these days? I could do 65 up the pass! > > Kevan Wiser > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 25 23:36:19 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15238 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 23:36:19 -0500 From: Biophilian@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 21:42:20 EST Subject: Re: Rover 3.9L V-8 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/25/00 3:30:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, kminnick@gte.net writes: << The 4.6 can be run all the way up to 380 hp with the right EFI/caming, head porting... >> WOW!!! A Range Rover that'll run a 12 second quarter mile...? What fun. Kevan Wiser From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 26 05:32:54 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA16636 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 05:32:54 -0500 Message-ID: <20000326083921.19872.rocketmail@web221.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 00:39:21 -0800 (PST) From: joe mulqueen Subject: Heavy-duty headlight connectors! To: mendo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I finally got my hands on some Cole Hersee brand headlight connectors. P/N 3028-02 includes a phenolic like plastic connector which is superior to any I've seen. The metal contacts come loose in the box and you can easily attach 'em to 12 (or even 10!) gage wire. They need to be soldered though, they won't take to crimping. JoeMulqueen '67 SIIA (with 12G headlight wires) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 27 01:38:48 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17763 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 01:38:48 -0500 X-Sender: studios@cwnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Michael Carradine Subject: Re: winch - wire rope Message-Id: <20000327044527.LGZF25042.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 20:45:27 -0800 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 03:06 PM 3/24/00 -0800, KC wrote: >> The capacities in the Carpenter catalog look low to me for a >> given size cable? (mine is 5/16" I think). Carpenter Rigging is conservative in that they rate cables so as not to damage them such as by stretching or other abuses. They are not rated by ultimate failure with a safety factor of 2 or 2.5 as engineers could do. The 1/2" (12mm) galvanized cable on the Unimog which ought to pull 12,000 lbs or so is rated by their criteria at around 3,500 lbs. An appropriately sized alloy hook I bought from them was rated at around 5,000 lbs. It has lines marked on the side, so that you can tell if it has been deformed. -Michael From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 27 11:30:13 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18438 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:30:13 -0500 Message-ID: <16D03631929FD311BC5D009027D0CBB21756F3@vegmail.ucdavis.edu> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Snow Run Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 06:41:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well the snow was another great trip. thanks to John, and Jeff for the hard work. Special thanks to John B. for breaking through the snow on the trail. Attendees were Jeff, John, Alexander, Eric Brig, and me. The appropriate amount of winching and digging was required. Alex's Rangie had the most difficulty, because he was getting burried to the frame in snow. Regents Locker paid off big time, especailly as I learned how to drive in snow. thanks again for the trip, I can't wait to go explore some of these trails this summer. -Rob From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 27 12:24:33 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18584 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:24:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200003271538.HAA11301@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Poll for North Americans (off topic) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 00 07:36:33 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "LRO list" , "mendo rec list" , "OVLR" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm building a new web site for a major LR parts supplier and want to make sure most everyone can see the site correctly. I would like to know what web browser and version you use (i.e. Navagator vers 3.2). If you live in the US or Canada please send me an e-mail off Line to: twakeman@overlander.net - Please do not bomb the list by using the reply button - Thanks for your input, it will decide the look and feel of the site TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 27 14:30:24 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19010 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:30:24 -0500 Message-ID: <38DF9F4D.132E55FE@ski.org> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:50:05 -0800 From: John Brabyn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Rover 3.9L V-8 References: <000501bf95dc$19b06e80$4905193f@minnick> <38DC3E52.15296017@slip.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jeremy Bartlett wrote: > Power issues apart (frankly not a bid deal for me), the advantages of the > 4.0/4.6 are better oil flow (theoretically cooler) locally improved casting, and > cross bolted strength. I agree, the power issues are not a big deal for me either as I'd only get more speeding tickets. But I would add one more advantage of the 4.0/4.6 engine -- it is turbine SM-O-O-TH! The 3.5 and 3.9 were always complimented for being smooth running, but the 4.0/4.6 is much better still. Cheers John From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 27 15:00:15 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19116 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 15:00:15 -0500 From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: wire rope (thanks mostly) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:18:55 -0800 Message-ID: <000b01bf9818$ea32d460$ae051fd1@BlairPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org KC: I am in the market for about 130' (not 30') but thanks for the heads up re Sportsman's Guide. Michael: tks for the perspective on cable/hook capacity. I thought it might be something like that since the picture (and my recollection of seeing Bruce's hook) looks beefier than the numbers suggest. Cheers, Blair PS: Bob B tks for the spring idea. I like it. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 27 15:29:33 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19166 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 15:29:33 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:36:04 -0800 (PST) From: Alexander George Cooper Message-Id: <200003271836.KAA20683@epic24.Stanford.EDU> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Snow Run Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Well the snow was another great trip. thanks to John, and Jeff for the hard >work. Special thanks to John B. for breaking through the snow on the trail. Agreed, this was an excellent way to spend a weekend. >Attendees were Jeff, John, Alexander, Eric Brig, and me. The appropriate >amount of winching and digging was required. Alex's Rangie had the most >difficulty, because he was getting burried to the frame in snow. Regents >Locker paid off big time, especailly as I learned how to drive in snow. Yes I did get stuck rather a lot! Even with chains on all four wheels. I think the chains were beneficial, but once the wheels start spinning they dig you in very quickly. Once you are resting on the frame it doesn't matter what you have. The key to success I think is knowing when to let off to avoid spinning the tires. The other thing is momentum. I was initially trying to use momentum and it worked quite well for the most part but then as I experimented I found that with less speed and less gas you could usually keep moving. A problem with speed is that once you start to get stuck it is hard to let off on the gas fast enough. Also if you get pointed out of the ruts then you can plough in quite a long way which makes it harder to back out. Rocking back and forth works quite well in most cases and is particularly easy with an automatic. Thanks again to everybody for a great trip, Alexander From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 27 18:53:15 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19470 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:53:15 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org, lro@playground.sun.com Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:57:34 -0800 Subject: Australia trip cancelled?? Message-ID: <20000327.135736.-177015.19.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,8-9,12-13,15-16,21-25 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks, due to the ASSHOLES that run British Airways, my trip to Australia appears to be a no-go. I spend the better part of the last 4 weeks trying to get a simple answer from Staff Travel/New York, as to wether or not I can possibly fly Qantas direct (as opposed to flying BA from LAX/LHR, then LHR/SYD, since my destination was Melbourne), and I finally get a "Per your severance package, you can only fly BA mainline flights - the Qantas codeshare is not considered a mainline flight.". So, I head over ot the ticket counter to get my tickets, only to be told that there's a complete embargo on staff travel from LHR/SYD - and back, until 30 April, and that it's been in effect since 01March!!!!! Had the afore-mentioned British Airways people been kind enough to mention this to me, I never would have made plans/arrangements to go! So now, I sit here all day, waiting for a callback from Staff Travel in reply to the "Now what?" message that I left for them last night (they don't like to call when they think somebody's home, so my day is ruined), and in the meantime, I'll check with a few people I know in high places, to see what can be done. Maybe I'll end up crashing the SCLR's Mojave Road run?? Charles - not a pleasant person to be around right now... ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 27 19:30:30 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19499 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:30:30 -0500 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: <7e.2c32bae.26113c72@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:36:34 EST Subject: Discovery update........ To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, after getting off the phone with the repair shop, the news is getting worse. The Discovery didn't have any steering after the accident. It took the shop bringing it inside to note that the pittman arm was broken off. The frame is bent worse that originally thought. I do not like the thought of having a Land Rover's frame straightened out. Can they do a creditble job today? Any one been through this? Any advice? Thanks........ Gerry From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 27 19:43:06 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19511 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:43:06 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CD8EF@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Discovery update........ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 15:53:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....I do not like the thought of having a Land Rover's frame straightened out...." There are a couple sides to this, Gerry. I forgot what year your Disco is. Is it still under warranty? If so, you might ask the dealer about how this work might effect warranty coverage. It might help lead to calling it a total, if that would work out well for you (not sure how the numbers would come out in your case). Do you have a frame shop that's willing to take a shot at it? In any case you want a list of the specs and the measurements from your truck before and after straightening. Not some torch jockey calling it "close enough". They're even tougher to re-bend (straighten) than they are to bend in the first place. Must have taken a big whallop. No wonder your neck hurts. How's that (more important) part coming? -Dave G. PS- a couple weeks ago I followed a Toyota pickup coming down the twisty bit of US 285 into Denver. That sucker was dog-trackin' at least a foot. I don't know how he drove it. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 27 19:49:56 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19523 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:49:56 -0500 Message-ID: From: Brian Dickens To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Rust on 95 Disco Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:55:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have a '95 Disco. There is minor rust around the window seal of the window on the TOP of the rear of the vehicle. You know those little windows above the read quarter panel window? Has anyone else had this problem? Any recommendations? Brian D From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 27 19:51:17 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19534 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:51:17 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:56:21 -0800 Subject: Re: Discovery update........ Message-ID: <20000327.145622.-177015.21.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,5-30 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Gerry, you're going about this the wrong way... Tell the other parties' (or yours - whomever is paying for it) insurance company, that you DEMAND that the chassis is either replaced, or that you're getting a new truck - any other offers result in a lawsuit. Don't even let them haggle. Charles - looking for a lawyer to sue British Airways... On Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:36:34 EST GElam30092@aol.com writes: > Well, after getting off the phone with the repair shop, the news is > getting > worse. > > The Discovery didn't have any steering after the accident. It took > the shop > bringing it inside to note that the pittman arm was broken off. > > The frame is bent worse that originally thought. I do not like the > thought > of having a Land Rover's frame straightened out. Can they do a > creditble job > today? Any one been through this? Any advice? > > Thanks........ > Gerry "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 27 19:55:41 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19545 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:55:41 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CD8F0@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Rust on 95 Disco Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:06:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I have a '95 Disco. There is minor rust around > the window seal of the window on the TOP of the > rear of the vehicle. You know those little windows > above the read quarter panel window? > > Has anyone else had this problem? > > Haven't had the problem, but I think the LR body rust warranty is 7 years. You should still be covered. With that goofy class action lawsuit over rust, your dealer should be willing to take care of this for free with no questions asked. Of course, whether you want the dealer or his rep doing body work for you may be another story altogether. -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 27 20:10:17 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19561 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:10:17 -0500 Message-ID: From: Brian Dickens To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Rust on 95 Disco Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 15:15:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I would never have Land Rover San Jose work on my vehicle again--ever. However, I will have them pay for it :-). Thanks for the info! Where do I get some background on the lawsuit you mention? Does anyone else have any comments? Brian D -----Original Message----- From: Gomes, David [mailto:David.Gomes@us.gambro.com] Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 3:06 PM To: 'mendo_recce@fourfold.org' Subject: RE: Rust on 95 Disco > I have a '95 Disco. There is minor rust around > the window seal of the window on the TOP of the > rear of the vehicle. You know those little windows > above the read quarter panel window? > > Has anyone else had this problem? > > Haven't had the problem, but I think the LR body rust warranty is 7 years. You should still be covered. With that goofy class action lawsuit over rust, your dealer should be willing to take care of this for free with no questions asked. Of course, whether you want the dealer or his rep doing body work for you may be another story altogether. -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 27 20:55:26 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19601 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:55:26 -0500 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: <84.318c802.26115058@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:01:28 EST Subject: Re: Discovery update........ To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 101 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/27/00 3:50:37 PM US Mountain Standard Time, David.Gomes@us.gambro.com writes: << There are a couple sides to this, Gerry. I forgot what year your Disco is. Is it still under warranty? >> Nope.... it's a '95 and is/was in good mechanical shape. <> Good points. I'll request that. RE the neck. Not so good. Still very sore and difficult to sleep. I've got pictures and you'll be surprised at how minimal the damage appears! I just need to get them scanned and posted somewhere. Thanks for the advice..... Gerry From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 27 21:25:54 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19639 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 21:25:54 -0500 To: lro@playground.sun.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:30:46 -0800 Subject: Darwin wins another one... Message-ID: <20000327.163048.-177015.24.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,5-6,8-9,12-19 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Was just watching the news, and heard why the helicopters have been circling overhead: It seems that, a Metro Rail/Blue Line train has just took out another STUPID pedestrian that ignored all the bells/crossing gates that are at the intersection of Compton Bl., and Willowbrook Ave! Unless that person by chance happened to be deaf/blind, there's no love lost. Reminds me of the last time I was in San Francisco, trying to drive down market Street: each time that MY light changed green, people decided to cross the street in front of me! Charles(Yea Darwin!) "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 27 21:27:09 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19650 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 21:27:09 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000327163048.0089b940@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:30:48 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: Discovery update........ In-Reply-To: <7e.2c32bae.26113c72@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Gerry, I wonder if you want to communicate with LRNA about whether or not the frame can be straightened. They should know if you should ecen try or if it will kink. Bob B At 05:36 PM 3/27/2000 EST, you wrote: >Well, after getting off the phone with the repair shop, the news is getting >worse. > >The Discovery didn't have any steering after the accident. It took the shop >bringing it inside to note that the pittman arm was broken off. > >The frame is bent worse that originally thought. I do not like the thought >of having a Land Rover's frame straightened out. Can they do a creditble job >today? Any one been through this? Any advice? > >Thanks........ >Gerry > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 27 21:50:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19664 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 21:50:04 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:01:49 -0800 Subject: ncrc snow run From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org hey john, ...just wanted to say thanks for this weekend. i had a blast, particularly on sunday. fyi, i plan to do a little write-up for the newsletter. if you have pictures you would like to see in print, send 'em my way. for those of you who didn't attend - you missed a great trip. snow is almost as much fun as mud and it's a lot cleaner. stay tuned for the newsletter article. again, thanks. jeff From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 27 22:33:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19688 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:33:37 -0500 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: <20.3c1fa18.2611675d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:39:41 EST Subject: Re: Discovery update........ To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 101 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/27/00 5:35:29 PM US Mountain Standard Time, bobnsueb@saber.net writes: << I wonder if you want to communicate with LRNA about whether or not the frame can be straightened. They should know if you should ecen try or if it will kink. >> Will try that..... I assume the lights are still on there? I think I'll call the local dealer too and ask in general terms. Good suggestion and I appreciate it! Gerry From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 27 23:33:41 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19878 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:33:41 -0500 Message-ID: <38E01C40.2F915C7@wenet.net> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:43:12 -0800 From: "Bruce R. Bonar" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: winch - wire rope References: <20000327044527.LGZF25042.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I strongly disagree! The ratings supplied for wire rope and rigging hardware are for your safety. They typically represent a 5:1 Design Safety Factor. That is Ultimate load (the average load at which the product fails) divided by the Working Load (the force the product is authorized to support). That 5/16" wire rope will FAIL at an average of 10,540 pounds of force. That is the cable itself not taking into account any eyes, pull angles, chokers, etc, Is your cable in perfect condition with no broken wires, rust, kinks, etc? If it's not perfect you'll never get to 10,540. With connections for shackles the failure will occur at about 8700 pounds in a vertical pull. Michael's 1/2" cable on his Mog will fail at 26,000 pounds. Put in a flemish eye, which you have to have to attach a hook or shackle, and it will FAIL at about 22,000 IF it is in perfect condition. When's the last time you lubricated your cable Michael? Safe working load for a 1/2" 6x19 IWRC wire rope is 4400 pounds. A suitable hook weighs 4.5 pounds and is rated at 5000 pounds. There is a very good reason there are Industry and Federal Standards on rating rigging equipment. If not sized and used properly people die. Simple enough. Obviously it is not always practical to use the size wire rope on our winches that is warranted by the potential loads we may apply. I personally use a 3/8" 6x37 IWRC with a Shur-Loc hook. I would use nothing less for anything other than occaisional emergency use. 3/8" is light but I don't have a large enough diameter drum on my winch for anything heavier. Not to mention I could only get on about 50 feet. :-) Yes, the capacities "look low". That's because they are. They're low because the wire rope isn't very strong. If I could think of a safe way to do it I'd love to do a demonstration at an NCRC meeting of pulling (while measuring the load) a 5/16 wire rope to failure. It would be interesting. Bruce Bonar Michael Carradine wrote: > At 03:06 PM 3/24/00 -0800, KC wrote: > >> The capacities in the Carpenter catalog look low to me for a > >> given size cable? (mine is 5/16" I think). > > Carpenter Rigging is conservative in that they rate cables > so as not to damage them such as by stretching or other abuses. > They are not rated by ultimate failure with a safety factor of > 2 or 2.5 as engineers could do. The 1/2" (12mm) galvanized > cable on the Unimog which ought to pull 12,000 lbs or so is > rated by their criteria at around 3,500 lbs. An appropriately > sized alloy hook I bought from them was rated at around 5,000 > lbs. It has lines marked on the side, so that you can tell if > it has been deformed. > > -Michael From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 00:41:51 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20657 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 00:41:51 -0500 From: LRDino@aol.com Message-ID: <4a.34af8aa.26118565@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:47:49 EST Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #97 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 68 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I also have a 95 Disco, but no rust. The rubber is starting to crack a little. Any hints to preserving the rubber on those rear windows by the cargo bay where I opted not to get jump seats. At 82,000 miles she's still going strong. Next week Central 4 Wheel Drive, Sacramento, installs a set of Bilstein shocks for just $50.00 labor. Can't beat that deal at $69.00 apiece for the shocks. Dino, TallyHo From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 01:00:22 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20687 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 01:00:22 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:56:55 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Heavy-duty headlight connectors! In-Reply-To: <20000326083921.19872.rocketmail@web221.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Where can I get these? On Sun, 26 Mar 2000, joe mulqueen wrote: > I finally got my hands on some Cole Hersee brand > headlight connectors. P/N 3028-02 includes a phenolic > like plastic connector which is superior to any I've > seen. The metal contacts come loose in the box and > you can easily attach 'em to 12 (or even 10!) gage > wire. They need to be soldered though, they won't > take to crimping. > > JoeMulqueen > '67 SIIA > (with 12G headlight wires) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 01:33:14 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20704 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 01:33:14 -0500 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:39:13 EST Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #97 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/27/00 7:54:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, LRDino@aol.com writes: > Next week Central 4 Wheel Drive, Sacramento, installs a set of > Bilstein shocks for just $50.00 labor. Can't beat that deal at $69.00 > apiece > for the shocks. Sounds perfect Dino! Any interest in a Sacto area Rover get together? Barbecue, whatever? Zack 1914 Eleventh Street Sacramento From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 01:36:15 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20715 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 01:36:15 -0500 X-Sender: studios@cwnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Michael Carradine Subject: Re: winch - wire rope Message-Id: <20000328044251.NTIU5721.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:42:51 -0800 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 06:43 PM 3/27/00, Bruce R Bonar wrote: >I strongly disagree! I don't get it. You're quoting all the same ratings, if not higher than mine, and you're abusing your winch cable just like every other off-roader. Where's the beef?? BTW - Off-roaders routinely stretch and break their 1/4" lines. The sudden whiplash effect is not pretty. Taking a 5/16" cable to failure would not be much smarter. -Michael >The ratings supplied for wire rope and rigging hardware are for your >safety. They typically represent a 5:1 Design Safety Factor. That is >Ultimate load (the average load at which the product fails) divided by >the Working Load (the force the product is authorized to support). > >That 5/16" wire rope will FAIL at an average of 10,540 pounds of force. >That is the cable itself not taking into account any eyes, pull angles, >chokers, etc, Is your cable in perfect condition with no broken wires, >rust, kinks, etc? If it's not perfect you'll never get to 10,540. With >connections for shackles the failure will occur at about 8700 pounds in >a vertical pull. > >Michael's 1/2" cable on his Mog will fail at 26,000 pounds. Put in a >flemish eye, which you have to have to attach a hook or shackle, and it >will FAIL at about 22,000 IF it is in perfect condition. When's the >last time you lubricated your cable Michael? Safe working load for a >1/2" 6x19 IWRC wire rope is 4400 pounds. A suitable hook weighs 4.5 >pounds and is rated at 5000 pounds. > >There is a very good reason there are Industry and Federal Standards on >rating rigging equipment. If not sized and used properly people die. >Simple enough. > >Obviously it is not always practical to use the size wire rope on our >winches that is warranted by the potential loads we may apply. I >personally use a 3/8" 6x37 IWRC with a Shur-Loc hook. I would use >nothing less for anything other than occaisional emergency use. 3/8" is >light but I don't have a large enough diameter drum on my winch for >anything heavier. Not to mention I could only get on about 50 feet. :-) > >Yes, the capacities "look low". That's because they are. They're low >because the wire rope isn't very strong. > >If I could think of a safe way to do it I'd love to do a demonstration >at an NCRC meeting of pulling (while measuring the load) a 5/16 wire >rope to failure. It would be interesting. > >Bruce Bonar > > >Michael Carradine wrote: > >> At 03:06 PM 3/24/00 -0800, KC wrote: >> >> The capacities in the Carpenter catalog look low to me for a >> >> given size cable? (mine is 5/16" I think). >> >> Carpenter Rigging is conservative in that they rate cables >> so as not to damage them such as by stretching or other abuses. >> They are not rated by ultimate failure with a safety factor of >> 2 or 2.5 as engineers could do. The 1/2" (12mm) galvanized >> cable on the Unimog which ought to pull 12,000 lbs or so is >> rated by their criteria at around 3,500 lbs. An appropriately >> sized alloy hook I bought from them was rated at around 5,000 >> lbs. It has lines marked on the side, so that you can tell if >> it has been deformed. >> >> -Michael > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 02:02:34 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20732 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 02:02:34 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Rover 3.9L V-8 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 21:18:41 -0800 Message-ID: <000601bf9875$1493f660$6105193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Not sure about that, but they claim the power to weight ratio is similar to a 550 HP Chevy small block! I see many small cars that would Love to have this light V-8. And $2300 for a NEW short block is sounding better all the time... Think it would fit in a MG or a Jensen? Kelly Minnick > In a message dated 3/25/00 3:30:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, > kminnick@gte.net > writes: > > << The 4.6 can be run all the way up to 380 hp with the right > EFI/caming, head > porting... >> > > WOW!!! A Range Rover that'll run a 12 second quarter mile...? What fun. > > Kevan Wiser > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 02:14:18 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20744 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 02:14:18 -0500 Message-ID: <20000328052033.72558.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [24.0.119.159] From: "Brian Foster" To: References: <200003280333.WAA19695@guinness.ovlr.org> Subject: Disco Alpine Window Rust Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 21:21:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Brian D. wrote: > I have a '95 Disco. There is minor rust around > the window seal of the window on the TOP of the > rear of the vehicle. You know those little windows > above the read quarter panel window? > > Has anyone else had this problem? > > Any recommendations? Brian F. replies: Yep... they removed the alpine window, replaced the rubber gasket and beading, repaired the area, and painted the entire top. This was subcontracted by LR mission Viejo to a local body shop. It is covered under your 6-year, unlimited mileage corrosion warranty. Take it to a dealer or call LRNA. Brian Foster Irvine CA '95 Land Rover Discovery (for SWMBO) '99 BMW E46 323i '60? NSU Prinz (for sale to any reasonable offer) '58 BMW 600 (also for sale to any reasonable offer) '58 BMW Isetta 300 S/W (Hey Jory, I bought one! Have pictures of yours in black?) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 02:50:50 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20770 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 02:50:50 -0500 Date: 27 Mar 2000 21:57:14 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org X-Sender: web79245@dreamlab.cc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: 4.2 swap (my experience) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Michael Slade replaced his 3.9L with a 4.2L. If I've been paying attention, >he's in Utah at the present time, but i'm sure he'd give you his "2 cents >worth." I didn't get the impression it was an inexpensive project. I'd love >to replace my 3.5 with a 4.6.... Aren't they getting something like 220 hp >out of 'em these days? I could do 65 up the pass! > >Kevan Wiser Ok Kevan, I just unpacked and was checking my mail, and of course this thread has been interesting to me. I did a 4.2l swap into my RR because the 3.9 timing gear shattered. Timm Cooper was going to rebuild the 3.9 for use in my Series One project, but upon inspecting the heads (they're toast), we're going to put in another LR product, a Mustang 5.0liter (or litre now) engine instead. Anyway, back to the 4.2.... I shopped around and found running 4.2's that East Coast Rover was taking out of LWB's back east. Apparently is it the cool thing now to have a LWB with a 4.8 or 4.9 liter dakar engine in it for racing (or some such nonsense, look at their site if you want more info..). The 4.2 I got was a long block minus the ignition, timing cover, oil pan, etc... It did have heads. The engine was sold as a 40K mile engine that ran fine when it was removed from the vehicle. I don't dispute that claim. Mike Smith from East Coast Rover said "it'll bolt right in when you get it and be fine" over the phone, but when the engine arrived on a palette it was uncovered and had been exposed to quite a bit of weather. Doug Shipman opted to go through the engine and found some rust in the 6th cylinder. At that point we decided to have the engine balanced and blueprinted and he was doing some porting on the heads and block. We upgraded the timing chain and gear to a much stronger AMERICAN unit. I belive it was Edelbrock???? (can't remember) A Crane ignition system was also added for a smoother more consistent spark pattern (the scope actually showed this was true, we compared a stock ignition to a Crane ignition, and the difference was dramatic). After 15K miles on the new engine I feel it is well broken in after my latest trip down south. I put just over 3K miles on the truck and at it's lightest (empty jerry cans, empty water cans and empty cooler) it weighed in at 5700lbs. I figure the engine now has about 220 horsepower but that is entirely unsubstantiated nor dyno-tested. I can claim that I can climb, and actually accelerate up LOOOONG grades in 3rd gear travelling between 75-80mph at roughly 38-4200 rpm's, very heavily loaded (265-75-16's). It's a smoooth engine and the LRP exhaust makes it sound a tad bit 'mean'. Instant throttle response and great pick-up. Granted, I was used to a 188K mile very tired 3.9, so anything was going to be an improvement. No, it wasn't cheap, but the long block was only 1200+300 shipping, and if I have been reading the posts correctly that's quite a bit less than what you've been looking at. It's up to the individual to decide where they want to take it from there, but I opted to go for the full meal deal and do everthing short of boring and stroking the block. I am still running the 3.9 chip, but am seriously considering doing the 4.2 chip swap. The main reason I stayed with a Rover engine was I had replaced the tranny right after getting the RR with a unit out of a Discovery with roughly 50K miles on it, so I felt I still had a lot of miles out of the transmission. I had looked at Chevy swaps done on a web site, but he ran into quite a few problems and I got the impression he was second guessing his decision. The GM diesel was not an option for the same tranny reason. I did keep all my reciepts for gas and kept track of miles per tank, but haven't figured my milage yet. It's around 12 mpg when loaded for camping. I'll figure out an average tomorrow sometime. Anyway, that is my experience until today (a 11 1/2 hour trip from Logan to Portland), and I'm ready for bed. Glad to be back. A few stories about the trip will follow. Later, Michael Slade Portland, Oregon www.DreamLab.cc From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 02:58:07 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20790 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 02:58:07 -0500 Message-ID: <001f01bf987b$6a43f0a0$373377d8@delllap> From: "Paul Archibald" To: References: <000601bf9875$1493f660$6105193f@minnick> Subject: Re: Rover 3.9L V-8 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:03:59 -0800 Organization: P. A. Design X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Not sure about that, but they claim the power to weight ratio is similar to > a 550 HP Chevy small block! I see many small cars that would Love to have > this light V-8. And $2300 for a NEW short block is sounding better all the > time... Think it would fit in a MG or a Jensen? Kelly, to put it simple....Yes! ;-) I almost bought a jensen with a corvette 350 in it, but already had two... We had done the measurements for the ford 302 and it fit in reeeel well too. The light weight v-8 would be just right for that beast. Personally i'm opting for the mg for the next one though and had been thinking of doing the ol' sd'1 conversion....maybe this would be better. ;-) Paul From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 03:12:03 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA20813 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 03:12:03 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Rover 3.9L V-8 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:28:17 -0800 Message-ID: <000001bf987e$cdc1e1c0$6105193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001f01bf987b$6a43f0a0$373377d8@delllap> Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Like I said, check out the RPI facts on their WEB site about the cross-bolted, stroked 4.6L block. I think Rover finally got it right and now they want to swap engines... http://www.rpi-engineering.co.uk/toc.html Kelly Minnick > > > > Not sure about that, but they claim the power to weight ratio is similar > to > > a 550 HP Chevy small block! I see many small cars that would > Love to have > > this light V-8. And $2300 for a NEW short block is sounding > better all the > > time... Think it would fit in a MG or a Jensen? > > Kelly, > to put it simple....Yes! ;-) > I almost bought a jensen with a corvette 350 in it, but already had two... > We had done the measurements for the ford 302 and it fit in > reeeel well too. > The light weight v-8 would be just right for that beast. Personally i'm > opting for the mg for the next one though and had been thinking > of doing the > ol' sd'1 conversion....maybe this would be better. ;-) > > Paul > > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 04:23:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA21029 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 04:23:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200003280726.XAA26018@wizard.sp.gap.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:26:09 -0800 (PST) From: John Young Subject: Re: winch - wire rope To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: zftK7jMifsWPuTFCJut0hA== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.3.3 SunOS 5.7 sun4u sparc Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bruce wrote: > If I could think of a safe way to do it I'd love to do a demonstration > at an NCRC meeting of pulling (while measuring the load) a 5/16 wire > rope to failure. It would be interesting. That would be pretty cool. Know any test labs that would do it? Sorta like testing concrete cylinders, glazing, etc. If we knew a lab that would do it, it would be fun to also do a chain and a snatching strap. Of course, somebody would have to donate the goods. Sorry, mine are still "like new". ;) -John Young From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 10:11:26 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21246 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:11:26 -0500 From: LRDino@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:17:29 EST Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #98 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 68 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org That would be a great idea Zack. The last 2 weekends of April I can do. I could help a little. Email me at LRDino@aol.com Dino From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 10:46:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21281 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:46:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 07:52:33 -0600 From: esimpson@acesag.auburn.edu (Eugene H. Simpson III) Message-Id: <200003281352.HAA02933@comer70.acesag.auburn.edu> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #97 X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 5.0L swap (my experience) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 00 07:18:27 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I am still running the >3.9 chip, but am seriously considering doing the 4.2 chip swap. Ah, a regular chip off the old block, eh >Timm >Cooper was going to rebuild the 3.9 for use in my Series One project, but >upon inspecting the heads (they're toast), we're going to put in another LR >product, a Mustang 5.0liter (or litre now) engine instead. Does this mean you are going with the 5L high pressure fuel injection system and all the associated electronic thingies, boxes & such? Braver than I Gunga Dien but I understand it is supposed to work very very well and provide unbelievable fuel economy when set up properly in an LR. I thought I was being brave by going to electronic ignition and a breakerless system. Timm forgets things sometimes. Do yourself a favour and verify fluid levels right away (I drove my LR home minus 2 qts of oil in the gear box), and check for such things as lock washers on the engine mounts (I just purchased a new radiator fan and costed out a new radiator vs a recore because Timm forgot to use lock washers bolting the engine mount to the engine block. Those four missing lock washers are going to cost me about $300. and could have left me stranded in the desert if I was trailing alone.). He does excellent work and is peerless in his fabrication design, but he seems to be too busy designing and fabricating to pay a lot of attention to the tiny mundane details. It would not hurt to go over the work with a fine tooth comb looking for the little stuff when you pick up the car. Timm has the GM conversion down real well but hasn't paid the same level of attention to the small block Ford conversion. Here are some things to think about: 1. Talk Timm into using the proper Ford engine mounts instead of cobbling something up from LR four cylinder mounts. It is my understanding that the newer Ford mounts have an interlock that will keep the engine in place if the rubber part of the mount ever separates. When I get some unearmarked money ahead I'm going to have a fabricator replace the mounts Timm fabricated with the stronger stock Ford small block mounts. 2. Sanderson makes a block hugger shorty header that will clear the stock engine mounts and the LR bulkhead. This is a much better solution than using two left side early V8 Falcon or pickup exhaust manifolds. 3. The oil pan to front diff clearance is not quite enough if your front wheels get airborne. Or at least it is not enough for mine (1 ton springs with plastic sheets between the leaves on extended shackles). The oil pump is located in the front of the pan and the pickup is located in the deeper rear part of the sump. I do not remember exactly where the bump body is located but you might want to rework the front right corner of the sump so that it has about 2 inches additional clearance at the front right corner. I now have a nice deep dent there. An alternative could be the axle stop extenders that the military used to reduce upward articulation in the front of 109s. 4. The oil filter sits REAL close to the frame rail. When he completed my conversion, before it moved anywhere there was bearly enough space to remove the oil filter. After the car moved and everything settled, the only way to replace the stock filter would be to losen the engine mounts and prise the engine to the right. I diassassembled my oil filter to remove it instead. There was no way to install a stock oil filter without moving the engine away from the frame. As it turns out the Chrysler oil filter for their older V8s (318, 383, etc) have the same mount as the Ford oil filter but is at least a third shorter. It worked just fine in the space that Timm provided. I'm looking forward to new serious one pictures. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 12:59:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21626 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:59:00 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CD8F4@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Rust on 95 Disco Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 09:09:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Brian Dickens asks: "....Where do I get some background on the lawsuit you mention?...." If you really want to know, there's a website and a decent search engine will find it. As for my part, I think it is a frivolous suit brought by some ambulance chaser. It has been around for a long time, and may have been put to bed by now and thrown out by a judge with half a brain. Can you tell how I really feel? :^) So, please don't take it personally, Brian, if I don't post the link. I just can't support it in good conscience. The basis of the suit, however, is Land Rover's use of intimate contact of aluminium and steel in the body work leading to galvanic action and corrosion (like we find near Rangie tail lights). So, the rust on the 95 Disco roof isn't directly involved on that basis as the roof is all steel. The Disco problem is no doubt one of poor metal prep on the original painting, or compromise of the surface at the time of the alpine window install. As others have said, it should be covered no problem by the dealer. Just make sure you get a good body shop. If the Disco is a metallic color, repainting of the entire roof will probably be necessary for a good match. A non-metallic color like white or red could probably be done with a localized repair. I'm a firm believer that no body shop can achieve the conditions under which the car was painted at the factory, and that the factory finish is the most durable one and should be disturbed as little as possible. Especially on the roof and hood (bonnet) which take the worst beating from the elements. Just my $37.02..... :^) -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 13:15:42 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21640 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:15:42 -0500 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 09:12:13 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Rover 3.9L V-8 In-Reply-To: <000601bf9875$1493f660$6105193f@minnick> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, Kelly Minnick wrote: > Not sure about that, but they claim the power to weight ratio is similar to > a 550 HP Chevy small block! I see many small cars that would Love to have > this light V-8. And $2300 for a NEW short block is sounding better all the > time... Think it would fit in a MG or a Jensen? The 3.5 weighs about the same as the 1.8 liter B-series cast iron engine used in the MGB. It fits under the hood of it, too. > > Kelly Minnick > > > > In a message dated 3/25/00 3:30:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > kminnick@gte.net > > writes: > > > > << The 4.6 can be run all the way up to 380 hp with the right > > EFI/caming, head > > porting... >> > > > > WOW!!! A Range Rover that'll run a 12 second quarter mile...? What fun. > > > > Kevan Wiser > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 13:27:31 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21672 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:27:31 -0500 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 09:24:02 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Rover 3.9L V-8 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The name escapes me, but the family that brought the Dormobile (besides John Hess)(Eric ?) on the Red Rocks trip dropped a Rover V8 into their MGB. It got driven a lot, from what I recall them saying. For myself, the stock MGB feels like a rocket after driving the Land Rover. On Tue, 28 Mar 2000, James Howard wrote: > > On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, Kelly Minnick wrote: > > > Not sure about that, but they claim the power to weight ratio is similar to > > a 550 HP Chevy small block! I see many small cars that would Love to have > > this light V-8. And $2300 for a NEW short block is sounding better all the > > time... Think it would fit in a MG or a Jensen? > > The 3.5 weighs about the same as the 1.8 liter B-series cast iron engine > used in the MGB. It fits under the hood of it, too. > > > > > > Kelly Minnick > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/25/00 3:30:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > kminnick@gte.net > > > writes: > > > > > > << The 4.6 can be run all the way up to 380 hp with the right > > > EFI/caming, head > > > porting... >> > > > > > > WOW!!! A Range Rover that'll run a 12 second quarter mile...? What fun. > > > > > > Kevan Wiser > > > > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 13:49:28 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21734 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:49:28 -0500 Message-ID: <38E0E73B.203EFCCA@ski.org> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 09:09:15 -0800 From: John Brabyn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Rover 3.9L V-8 References: <000001bf987e$cdc1e1c0$6105193f@minnick> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org You can check out Dave Brown's experience swapping in a 4.6 at http://www.rangerovers.net/rrupgrades.htm#engineswap Cheers John Kelly Minnick wrote: > Like I said, check out the RPI facts on their WEB site about the > cross-bolted, stroked 4.6L block. I think Rover finally got it right and now > they want to swap engines... > > http://www.rpi-engineering.co.uk/toc.html > > Kelly Minnick > > > > > > > > Not sure about that, but they claim the power to weight ratio is similar > > to > > > a 550 HP Chevy small block! I see many small cars that would > > Love to have > > > this light V-8. And $2300 for a NEW short block is sounding > > better all the > > > time... Think it would fit in a MG or a Jensen? > > > > Kelly, > > to put it simple....Yes! ;-) > > I almost bought a jensen with a corvette 350 in it, but already had two... > > We had done the measurements for the ford 302 and it fit in > > reeeel well too. > > The light weight v-8 would be just right for that beast. Personally i'm > > opting for the mg for the next one though and had been thinking > > of doing the > > ol' sd'1 conversion....maybe this would be better. ;-) > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 13:58:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21773 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:58:37 -0500 Message-ID: <38DFD1EB.7E1DCDE7@frontier.net> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:26:03 -0700 From: Thomas Joyner Organization: FITA de Mexico X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mendo List Subject: Joe's headlight connectors Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Joe, where did you get the Cole Hearse connectors from? Tom 88 RR From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 14:49:36 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21837 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:49:36 -0500 From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: exhaust stud threads Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:08:18 -0800 Message-ID: <002b01bf98e0$9935cf40$ae051fd1@BlairPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Does anyone know the size/pitch of the studs on the exhaust manifold, joining the down pipe? I know brass nuts are prefered, but I am hoping they are standard and not Whitworth. Tks. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 14:51:06 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21851 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:51:06 -0500 Date: 28 Mar 2000 09:57:40 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org X-Sender: web79245@dreamlab.cc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RangeRover.net Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John, Awesome site! Tons of information!!! I was actually regretting not having internet acess to get to the seat switch page yestderday in Logan. My seat switch stuck, and like many, I tried in vain to get it to return rearwards by making it go forwards. doh! I had to press to Portland on before getting to a Radio Shack, but I found one in Boise and cleaned out the switches. Back to normal for now. Question: Is there a preferred year for the LWB Rangies? If I don't care about the dash, airbags, or dual climate controls, is there a better year? Thanks again for the great pages! Michael Slade Portland, Oregon www.DreamLab.cc From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 14:59:32 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21880 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:59:32 -0500 Message-ID: <38DFD1EB.7E1DCDE7@frontier.net> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:26:03 -0700 From: Thomas Joyner Organization: FITA de Mexico X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mendo List Subject: Joe's headlight connectors Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Joe, where did you get the Cole Hearse connectors from? Tom 88 RR From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 15:23:50 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21911 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:23:50 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CD8FE@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: exhaust stud threads Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:34:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just going from memory here, but I'm guessing 5/16-24. If so, the pitch won't give you trouble as much as the 55 degree included angle of the whitworth thread (SAE is 60). This might actually be in your favor in this case, though, as it would make an SAE nut fit the whitworth stud with a little interference at the thread peaks. Since the nut will be brass, it will give before the steel stud and the tight fit will make it less likely to strip. Use lots of the nickle or copper anti-seize! -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 15:42:54 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21982 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:42:54 -0500 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:49:25 -0800 (PST) From: john hess To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Re: exhaust stud threads In-Reply-To: <002b01bf98e0$9935cf40$ae051fd1@BlairPC> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >From dealing with Stubby, my recollection is everything is standard. I got 2 new studs and brass double thickness exhaust nuts at Napa. I was going to say 1/4. cheers, On Tue, 28 Mar 2000, Blair Peterson wrote: > Does anyone know the size/pitch of the studs on the exhaust manifold, > joining the down pipe? I know brass nuts are prefered, but I am hoping they > are standard and not Whitworth. > > Tks. > > john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 15:45:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22001 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:45:21 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CD900@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: exhaust stud threads Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:55:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Oops....I think I got that backwards.....SAE nut is a lose fit on Whitworth stud.....Not in your favor....Sorry for the confusion.....Now if you fit an SAE stud to the flange....... :^) -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 15:56:33 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22041 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:56:33 -0500 From: "Paul Archibald" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org, john hess Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 19:03:07 GMT Subject: Re: exhaust stud threads X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <38e101eb.6476.0@jps.net> X-User-Info: 216.49.48.59 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was about to ask this myself as the manifold is in the vise with the broken off studs drilled out, ready for threading and install of new ones.....unless there's any opposition, I'm gonna just put in the standard 1/4 studs from the local napa or ? as well, and lube the nuts with the ol'copper anti seize. Do the brass nuts really work that much better? I have yet to use them since the MGA on any of my cars....of course I'm getting pretty good at drilling out broken off studs nowadays ;-( Paul john said >>From dealing with Stubby, my recollection is everything is standard. I >got 2 new studs and brass double thickness exhaust nuts at Napa. I was >going to say 1/4. Dave G. said Just going from memory here, but I'm guessing 5/16-24. If so, the pitch won't give you trouble as much as the 55 degree included angle of the whitworth thread (SAE is 60). This might actually be in your favor in this case, though, as it would make an SAE nut fit the whitworth stud with a little interference at the thread peaks. Since the nut will be brass, it will give before the steel stud and the tight fit will make it less likely to strip. Use lots of the nickle or copper anti-seize! , Blair Peterson wrote: >> Does anyone know the size/pitch of the studs on the exhaust manifold, >> joining the down pipe? I know brass nuts are prefered, but I am hoping they >> are standard and not Whitworth. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 16:38:09 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22239 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:38:09 -0500 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:34:39 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: exhaust stud threads In-Reply-To: <38e101eb.6476.0@jps.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Tue, 28 Mar 2000, Paul Archibald wrote: > Do the brass nuts really work that much better? I have had excellent luck with them. Even when I didn't use anti-seize. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 17:02:49 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22311 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 17:02:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jfhess@mailbox.ucdavis.edu Message-Id: Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:12:30 -0800 To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com From: john hess (by way of John F. Hess, PhD) Subject: Davis area stuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org FYI, this coming weekend: April 2 -- Hays Antique Truck Museum Annual Spring Truck, Tractor, Auto & Agricultural Swap Meet, Woodland Community College, Road 102 and Gibson Road, Woodland, 6 a.m. Vendor set-up April 1, 4-8 p.m. Fee $20 for 21x27-foot vendor space. Buyers free. Call (530) 666-1044. The museum should be open(?) and has old tractors on display. I have no idea what the swap meet will draw. April 15 is Picnic Day on the UCD campus. Generally weird day, with a parade in the AM, different events all day long and adequate opportunities to spend money on food or drink. However, no alcohol is allowed on campus and the police will make you dump what they find. cheers, From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 17:24:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22325 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 17:24:04 -0500 Message-ID: <16D03631929FD311BC5D009027D0CBB21756FB@vegmail.ucdavis.edu> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Davis area stuff Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:34:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org For those of you who haven't been to the truck, or tractor museum it is definitely worth the trip. I haven't yet been able to get to the truck part but hear it is awesome. I have been through the tractor museum because my department donated the very first tomato harvester invented by us to the museum. The tractors are great. As for picnic day, you can always come by my department (vegetable crops) and get free tomato plants. -Rob -----Original Message----- From: john hess [mailto:jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us] Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 12:12 PM To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com Subject: Davis area stuff FYI, this coming weekend: April 2 -- Hays Antique Truck Museum Annual Spring Truck, Tractor, Auto & Agricultural Swap Meet, Woodland Community College, Road 102 and Gibson Road, Woodland, 6 a.m. Vendor set-up April 1, 4-8 p.m. Fee $20 for 21x27-foot vendor space. Buyers free. Call (530) 666-1044. The museum should be open(?) and has old tractors on display. I have no idea what the swap meet will draw. April 15 is Picnic Day on the UCD campus. Generally weird day, with a parade in the AM, different events all day long and adequate opportunities to spend money on food or drink. However, no alcohol is allowed on campus and the police will make you dump what they find. cheers, From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 18:07:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22477 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 18:07:08 -0500 Message-ID: <38E123A0.6F12FED1@ski.org> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:26:56 -0800 From: John Brabyn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: RangeRover.net References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks for the kind words Michael! And thanks to yopu and all others who have contributed info -- please keep it up! BTW for others who may be tryng to find it, the URL is http://www.rangerovers.net ie the rangerovers is plural. Re the various years for the County LWB, I would check out Kevin Kelly's very detailed listing of model year specs at http://www.fourfold.org/LR_FAQ/RR/FAQ.RR.RangeRoverC_US.html but I don't have any real preference personally, except later is better as far as the gradual mechanical refinements are concerned. Early air suspensions seemed to revert to bump stop mode at the first whiff of a problem. Also beware that the so-called 95 model was really a 94. It was only delivered to dealers from March to December 1994. Cheers John Cheers John Michael Slade wrote: > John, > > Awesome site! Tons of information!!! I was actually regretting not having > internet acess to get to the seat switch page yestderday in Logan. My seat > switch stuck, and like many, I tried in vain to get it to return rearwards > by making it go forwards. doh! > > I had to press to Portland on before getting to a Radio Shack, but I found > one in Boise and cleaned out the switches. Back to normal for now. > > Question: Is there a preferred year for the LWB Rangies? If I don't care > about the dash, airbags, or dual climate controls, is there a better year? > > Thanks again for the great pages! > > Michael Slade > Portland, Oregon > www.DreamLab.cc From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 18:39:28 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22538 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 18:39:28 -0500 Date: 28 Mar 2000 13:46:01 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org X-Sender: web79245@dreamlab.cc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RangeRover(s).net Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Thanks for the kind words Michael! And thanks to yopu and all others who have >contributed info -- please keep it up! > >BTW for others who may be tryng to find it, the URL is >http://www.rangerovers.net >ie the rangerovers is plural. > Ahhh, i noticed that right after i sent it. Hope no one gets confused! thanks again, Michael Slade Portland, Oregon www.DreamLab.cc From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 19:48:03 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22616 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 19:48:03 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000328145135.0087d100@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:51:35 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: exhaust stud threads In-Reply-To: <002b01bf98e0$9935cf40$ae051fd1@BlairPC> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 10:08 AM 3/28/2000 -0800, you wrote: >Does anyone know the size/pitch of the studs on the exhaust manifold, >joining the down pipe? I know brass nuts are prefered, but I am hoping they >are standard and not Whitworth. > >Tks. Hi Blair, I checked Olivia 65-88 and find studs that are 5/16 by fine thread in the manifold and course thread at the pipe. American 5/16x24? and 5/16x18? American bolt threads on nicely on both ends. My spare 66-88 engine has what looks like replaced studs that are fine thread all the way 5/16x24 I think I counted. Also screwed American nuts on. Bob B From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 20:21:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22639 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:21:25 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000328152647.00a26100@smtp.mondomedia.com> X-Sender: brittnell@smtp.mondomedia.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:26:47 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org (Mendo_Recce digest:) From: Brittnell Anderson Subject: Re: COPY: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #99 In-Reply-To: <38D0460700005DEC@smtp.mondomed.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi fellow Rover heads! I've gotten myself into a little bind, and am crossing my fingers that someone out there will be able to help me out... The problem is this: I managed to snap both of my alternator support brackets on my SIIa 88" (sending the unit crashing into the fan housing), and as they aren't something you can just order up (at least not at BritPac), I'm wondering if anyone out there might be able to fab some up or have extras handy. Please contact me if you have any leads or need any further info. Thanks, Brittnell Anderson SIIa "Limy Dog" San Francisco brittnell@mondomedia.com Ps. The good news is that this all happend just as I was pulling into my driveway from a day long trek... Talk about luck! From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 20:28:17 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22649 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:28:17 -0500 Message-ID: <38E140BC.E369232B@slip.net> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:31:09 -0800 From: Jeremy Bartlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 5.0L swap (my experience) References: <200003281521.HAA12223@blackie.cruzers.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > 4. The oil filter sits REAL close to the frame rail. Reminds me of the Land Rover "Seville" (Cadillac engine conversion) on the PNWTT a few years ago (4??). Articulation was so good it sheard the oil filter off on the axle! You might want to consider a remote oil filter. Jeremy From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 20:54:05 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22672 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:54:05 -0500 Message-ID: <38E14AC0.3B40D6DA@ski.org> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:13:52 -0800 From: John Brabyn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 5.0L swap (my experience) References: <200003281521.HAA12223@blackie.cruzers.com> <38E140BC.E369232B@slip.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I recall an article in Four Wheeler magazine some years ago detailing someone's insertion of a full-blooded Corvette engine into a 1988 Range Rover. If anyone is interested it can probably be retrieved from Four Wheeler magazine as a back issue article copy. Cheers John Jeremy Bartlett wrote: > TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > > > 4. The oil filter sits REAL close to the frame rail. > > Reminds me of the Land Rover "Seville" (Cadillac engine conversion) on > the PNWTT a few years ago (4??). Articulation was so good it sheard the > oil filter off on the axle! > > You might want to consider a remote oil filter. > > Jeremy From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 20:58:38 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22682 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:58:38 -0500 Message-ID: <00e701bf9911$fde99260$bb4c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "PeterHope" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20000328152647.00a26100@smtp.mondomedia.com> Subject: Alt. Brackets. Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:01:54 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Let me know if no one local to you responds. I replaced my Rover alt with a gm model and made the brackets, so have the old ones around some where. This was for a 1970 Ser IIa 88. Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 21:15:26 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22696 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 21:15:26 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000328161716.00878af0@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:17:16 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: 5.0L swap (my experience) In-Reply-To: <38E140BC.E369232B@slip.net> References: <200003281521.HAA12223@blackie.cruzers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 03:31 PM 3/28/2000 -0800, you wrote: >TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > >> 4. The oil filter sits REAL close to the frame rail. > >Reminds me of the Land Rover "Seville" (Cadillac engine conversion) on >the PNWTT a few years ago (4??). Articulation was so good it sheard the >oil filter off on the axle! > >You might want to consider a remote oil filter. > >Jeremy > Remote is a good idea, but be careful not to hook it up backwards or it will toast your engine just like Roger (and others) did when they put the adapter on the 2.25 upside down. Bob B From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 21:15:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22706 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 21:15:27 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000328161902.0087d100@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:19:02 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: Alt. Brackets. In-Reply-To: <00e701bf9911$fde99260$bb4c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> References: <3.0.5.32.20000328152647.00a26100@smtp.mondomedia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 02:01 PM 3/28/2000 -1000, you wrote: >Let me know if no one local to you responds. I replaced my Rover alt with a >gm model and made the brackets, so have the old ones around some where. >This was for a 1970 Ser IIa 88. >Pete > Is this a case of the answer before the question? Bob B From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 21:24:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22716 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 21:24:08 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000328162737.00873660@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:27:37 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: COPY: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #99 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000328152647.00a26100@smtp.mondomedia.com> References: <38D0460700005DEC@smtp.mondomed.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Britnell, Since you say S2A, could you need Generator brackets? Or if it is converted to alternator, What brackets were used? Britpac's special? If alternator, which one? Delco, Lucas? I have generator brackets here. Bob B At 03:26 PM 3/28/2000 -0800, Brittnell Anderson wrote: >Hi fellow Rover heads! > >I've gotten myself into a little bind, and am crossing my fingers that >someone out there will be able to help me out... > >The problem is this: > >I managed to snap both of my alternator support brackets on my SIIa 88" >(sending the unit crashing into the fan housing), and as they aren't >something you can just order up (at least not at BritPac), I'm wondering if >anyone out there might be able to fab some up or have extras handy. Please >contact me if you have any leads or need any further info. > >Thanks, > >Brittnell Anderson >SIIa "Limy Dog" >San Francisco >brittnell@mondomedia.com > > >Ps. The good news is that this all happend just as I was pulling into my >driveway from a day long trek... Talk about luck! > Bob Bernard Paradise,CA. 530-877-2749 69-88 "Sherman" Bob's, 65-88 "Olivia" Sue's, 51-80 "Axl"? Shop's From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 21:29:16 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22727 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 21:29:16 -0500 From: "Paul Archibald" To: TeriAnn Wakeman , Jeremy Bartlett Cc: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 00:35:48 GMT Subject: TW those pesky filters Re: 5.0L swap (my experience) X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <38e14fe4.23d0.0@jps.net> X-User-Info: 216.49.48.59 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TeriAnn >TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: >> 4. The oil filter sits REAL close to the frame rail. Jeremy wrote >Reminds me of the Land Rover "Seville" (Cadillac engine conversion) on >the PNWTT a few years ago (4??). Articulation was so good it sheard the >oil filter off on the axle! > >You might want to consider a remote oil filter. Might? TeriAnn, I would suggest that you not only add the remote filter, but think of doing the double filter(the extra $$ is worth it from what I've heard) Also use the larger sized filter for more surface available. At the moment I'm able to use the stock filter location on my mercruiser as the LR engine mount had been torched off by the P/O, ...but I will very likely be adding a dual-remote setup later on for the extra filtration it provides.(and another quart of oil in the system can't hurt) How hot does the 302 run oil temp wise? There also may be an alternate oil-pan without the interference from the axle you are getting. look around at the different applications of that engine. the ford mounts are def the answer inmy book. having the protection WHEN the mounts fail is nice. I remember watching the engine in my mothers volvo jumping around with both mounts broken, kinda scary! Paul From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 21:31:52 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22755 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 21:31:52 -0500 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 18:38:22 -0600 From: esimpson@acesag.auburn.edu (Eugene H. Simpson III) Message-Id: <200003290038.SAA03137@comer70.acesag.auburn.edu> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Sightings X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Our family had the chance to visit Northern California the past ~2 weeks on spring break. As we have family in Los Gatos, we based there and did several sight seeing day trips to Santa Cruz, Monterray Bay Aquarium, Muir Woods, Sausolito, SF (cable cars). Then we went to NorthStar @ Lake Tahoe for a few days of skiing and boarding. Flew in to San Jose and out of Reno. I was constantly on the lookout for LRs, especially "out of the ordinary" ones. In the Bay area we saw lots of stock, new Discos and Rangies, but none out of the ordinary. Didn't see a Series rig at all, but passed 2 really clean, stock-appearing D90s in downtown Los Gatos on the afternoon of 3/17. One was yellow and the other red. Both were black soft topped. Anyone on the list? At Tahoe City on 3/21, while getting gas in the rental car (a real plain Olds 4-door), I spotted a light green 109 SIIA across the street in another gas station. I was able to briefly visit with the owner. He bought it 2 months ago and had no idea of where to get parts. It's a '66, obviously west coast (no rust anywhere), safari top, semi-dormie, and perfectly straight. Very faded, but in classical shape. Neg. earth, alternator, excellent original interior. The PO did a splendid job of caring for it. Don't know his name, but the owner's a local who works in the State Park south of Tahoe City. I gave him my card and offered to send him contacts for BP, AB, RN, BB, BNW, etc. I hope we hear from him. Likeable chap, 50-ish with long gray hair. Wish we had had time to stop for a chat and a brew, but we were both in a rush. If any of you are in the Tahoe area, you might try and look him up. Most enjoyable time, but it was good to get back. And Fetch started on the first button push after 2 weeks of being neglected. Gene Simpson Auburn, AL '64 SIIA 88 "Fetch" '97 Disco SE-7 '95 Dodge Pickup From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 21:49:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22778 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 21:49:27 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000328165300.0087a790@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:53:00 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: TAW Re: TW those pesky filters Re: 5.0L swap (my experience) In-Reply-To: <38e14fe4.23d0.0@jps.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A bit of time ago someone named Paul said: > >How hot does the 302 run oil temp wise? > >There also may be an alternate oil-pan without the interference from the axle >you are getting. look around at the different applications of that engine. the >ford mounts are def the answer inmy book. having the protection WHEN the mounts >fail is nice. I remember watching the engine in my mothers volvo jumping around >with both mounts broken, kinda scary! > >Paul Teriann, Does your 302 have the Bronco oil pan? I know you mentioned the rear oil pickup, But there is a pan with two sumps in a lot of applications, and the Bronco and some vans use a pan with only the rear sump. Bob B From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 21:54:45 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22788 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 21:54:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200003290109.RAA14898@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: 5.0L swap (my experience) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 00 17:06:48 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >>> 4. The oil filter sits REAL close to the frame rail. >> >>Reminds me of the Land Rover "Seville" (Cadillac engine conversion) on >>the PNWTT a few years ago (4??). Articulation was so good it sheard the >>oil filter off on the axle! That was another Timm Cooper special. I belive that particular LR now supports a small block Chevy engine. >>You might want to consider a remote oil filter. The Chrysler V8 filter is a good fit with plenty of clearence and well protected between the block and frame rail. I think it will do fine. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 21:57:16 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22811 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 21:57:16 -0500 From: "Paul Archibald" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org, esimpson@acesag.auburn.edu (Eugene H. Simpson III) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 01:03:49 GMT Subject: Re: Sightings in Los Gatos(none?) X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <38e15675.3dd2.0@jps.net> X-User-Info: 216.49.48.59 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Gene, >As we have family in Los Gatos, ... I was constantly on the lookout for LRs, >especially "out of the ordinary" ones.....Didn't >see a Series rig at all....downtown Los Gatos . .....well you missed the Baggerly Land-Rover collection in downtown L.G. ;-( everyone I know has found his house and called me up to tell me about all the lr's there.. Shoulda said something to the list before coming and you coulda snuk away from the family to meet with roverholics... amongst others, I was driving my 88" around the area all last week. Paul From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 22:10:42 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22843 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 22:10:42 -0500 From: LRDino@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:16:43 EST Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #99 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 68 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey John & Kathy. Will I see both of you Saturday at the Safety Clinic? Dino From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 22:53:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22925 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 22:53:04 -0500 From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: exhaust nuts Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 18:11:46 -0800 Message-ID: <000001bf9924$2388bf20$ae051fd1@BlairPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks, all for the thread info! Glad to hear Mr Whitworth didn't get there first... Cheers. PS: 3/5 of the Peterson clan will probably be at Picnic Day in Davis (my alma mater). Travel by 109 if we leave early; 110 if late (to make the parade). From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 22:55:11 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22935 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 22:55:11 -0500 Message-ID: <001a01bf9922$a13053e0$1c3377d8@delllap> From: "Paul Archibald" To: References: <200003290109.RAA14898@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: 5.0L swap (my experience) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 18:00:54 -0800 Organization: P. A. Design X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > The Chrysler V8 filter is a good fit with plenty of clearence and well > protected between the block and frame rail. I think it will do fine. CHRYSLER?????? ------------------ TeriAnn, Is there another mod you didn't tell ;-) What put chrystler instead of Ford in your mind? Paul From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 22:56:13 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22946 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 22:56:13 -0500 Message-ID: <38E164F7.1532BE56@wenet.net> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 18:05:43 -0800 From: "Bruce R. Bonar" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: winch - wire rope References: <20000328044251.NTIU5721.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Michael Carradine wrote: > I don't get it. You're quoting all the same ratings, if not higher > than mine, and you're abusing your winch cable just like every other > off-roader. Where's the beef?? The point I was trying to make is that Carpenter, and manufacturers, are not being conservative. They are in fact rated based on ultimate (failure) load. I interpreted the tone of your e-mail to suggest that the ratings were not to be taken seriously. I feel strongly that they should. Don't think that a 5/16" cable is suitable for serious winching. If I misinterpreted your tone I apologize. I probably use my winch harder than most. I upgraded my cable. I almost always use a snatch block. I clean, lubricate, and inspect all my rigging gear religiously. I replace it once a year. I'm also more aware of the limitations of the equipment and rigging gear than most and have a professional interest in safe rigging practice. My beef is that working load limits should be taken seriously and not considered a conservative rating to avoid stretching or damage. They are realistic ratings meant to keep you safe. > BTW - Off-roaders routinely stretch and break their 1/4" lines. The > sudden whiplash effect is not pretty. Taking a 5/16" cable to failure > would not be much smarter. Which is why I said "If I could think of a safe way...". I think a demonstration of the whiplash effect would be educational, not to mention entertaining. John's idea to compare chains, slings, wire ropes, etc is a good one. We could also see how much difference the old coat on the cable trick makes. I'll see if I can find a lab that could do this in a way we could witness it with a group. Bruce From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 28 23:01:11 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22959 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 23:01:11 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000328180136.00a2e4f0@smtp.mondomedia.com> X-Sender: brittnell@smtp.mondomedia.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 18:01:36 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Brittnell Anderson Subject: RE: SIIa ALT. Brackets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Bob and Pete, Thanks for the response. The old dog has been converted to an alternator, but the brackets were a custom job. Unfortunately I can't remember who the manufacturer on the Alternator is off-hand (Although I'm 99% sure it's NOT Lucas). I'll take a look at it tonight when I get home (it's a long BIKE ride ;-). Maybe I'll snap some pix of the culprit if anyone wants or needs photo reference. Thanks again, Brittnell SIIa 88" "Limy Dog" brittnell@mondomedia.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 29 00:28:30 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23593 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 00:28:30 -0500 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 22:34:17 EST Subject: Re: exhaust nuts To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/28/00 6:11:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, peterson@interasset.com writes: > Picnic Day in Davis (my > alma mater). Go Ags! Zack Arbios class of 78 and 2000 (2000 is a joke, I got a certificate this year, and it technically qualifies me to participate in graduation ceremonies, probably won't, last time I did my Dad had a heart attack in the audience.) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 29 00:43:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23654 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 00:43:29 -0500 Message-ID: <01BF98EE.D4F92780@p.l2.vfr.net> From: Clayton Kirkwood To: "Rro@Playground. Sun. Com (E-mail)" , "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Safari Gard vs ? Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 19:08:31 -0800 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I am currently looking at investing in a new front bumper and winch. I know that SG has a good one and they make one to support the Husky and takes a skid plate. I know that BP and others have similar setups. For those of you that have seen both the SG and BP or other setups, would you please share your opinions? Which seem strongest, best manufacture, best approach angle, best thought out and implemented, etc? I am really interested in the pro/cons. Thanks, Clayton From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 29 01:22:43 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23680 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 01:22:43 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.20000328195035.03994df0@mail.halcyon.com> X-Sender: clarkebw@mail.halcyon.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:29:02 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Clarke Williams Subject: Re: 5.0L swap (my experience) In-Reply-To: <200003281521.HAA12223@blackie.cruzers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TeriAnn, You should have fitted a remote filter to begin with rather than a Chrysler (smaller) filter. Do the engine a favor and let it have clean oil. Engines should be mounted on the mounts designed for them by their respective designers (Ford, Chevy, Chrysler, etc), IMO. This is regardless of the underlying steel mounting pads. Weld on custom mounting pads wherever you want or need them to be but use the FACTORY engine rubber mounts. The durometer of the rubber is chosen specifically for the engine mass and drivetrain geometry. Using other mounts can cause other problems than just dropped bolts. As for checking out YOUR vehicle after ANYONE (including yourself) does major work on it, this is an obvious aspect of any repair. If YOU didn't check things out, you are every bit as much to blame as Mr. Cooper, in my opinion. As for Timm being careless or "forgetting things", I seem to remember that you dragged him up short on the conversion project and didn't allow him to finish the work as you and he had agreed (I remember you telling me this at Portland at the All British Meet). You mentioned that a combination of time and money caused you to decide rather abruptly that the "job was finished", pack up, and go home to California. I seem to also recall that much of the time originally slated for the engine conversion itself was spent by Timm repairing your chassis which was about to fall apart in the front engine bay. The frame damage was severe enough to make the vehicle unsafe for use on the highway. After reading your description of taking a Dormobile AIRBORNE across the desert, courtesy of the power of that nice small block Ford engine, I have little doubt in my own mind as to the actual cause of bent oil pan and lost engine mounting bolts. Given that you also decided to forgo bothering to increase the length of the factory rubber axle stops, my understanding regarding the cause of the bent oil pan is even clearer. But I would wager that Timm Cooper's repairs of your badly cracked and broken frame HELD TOGETHER, even after you grossly abused the 109 Dormobile by taking it airborne. A 109 Dormobile is NOT a SCORE racing truck, even if it is fitted with a small block Ford V8. Everyone can forget a small detail here or there, especially in a very complex project that has several unexpected steps thrown into the mix of planned work (such as major frame repairs after being told by you that the truck was in "good condition"). I have not had Timm Cooper actually do an engine conversion for me, so perhaps I cannot speak directly to the quality of his work or his level of conscientiousness. But from the work of Timm's that I have seen, and many conversations with him, I would have little hesitation to have him work on MY vehicle. He gives me every impression of being EXTREMELY conscientious, careful, and thoughtful in his designs and installations. I personally know of one person I suggested contact Timm regarding some work and Timm found some (non-related to the planned work) dangerous assembly in the steering. The steering changes had been done by a large and reputable firm in a western state. Timm literally would not let him move the truck until it was repaired -- at no charge, I might add. This was told to me by the CUSTOMER, not Timm. When I asked Timm about it he acted like it was "no big deal" and went on to the next subject. TeriAnn, if you are unhappy with the work that Timm did for you, SAY SO. If you have contacted Timm and he has refused to give you satisfaction, SAY SO. But I believe your innuendo, back-biting, and general (not so subtle) disparagement of Timm Cooper and the quality of the work he does is patently unfair, especially since he is NOT on this list and you have given no indication that you have asked him to address your grievances. At least let Timm face his accuser and respond to the accusations rather than parade your ire across the Mendo Recce list while giving Timm Cooper no opportunity to defend himself against your charges and accusations. There. I'm done now. I've had my say. I feel better now. Clarke At 07:18 AM 28-03-00 -0800, you wrote: >> I am still running the >>3.9 chip, but am seriously considering doing the 4.2 chip swap. > >Ah, a regular chip off the old block, eh > >>Timm >>Cooper was going to rebuild the 3.9 for use in my Series One project, but >>upon inspecting the heads (they're toast), we're going to put in another LR >>product, a Mustang 5.0liter (or litre now) engine instead. > >Does this mean you are going with the 5L high pressure fuel injection >system and all the associated electronic thingies, boxes & such? Braver >than I Gunga Dien but I understand it is supposed to work very very well >and provide unbelievable fuel economy when set up properly in an LR. I >thought I was being brave by going to electronic ignition and a >breakerless system. > >Timm forgets things sometimes. Do yourself a favour and verify fluid >levels right away (I drove my LR home minus 2 qts of oil in the gear >box), and check for such things as lock washers on the engine mounts (I >just purchased a new radiator fan and costed out a new radiator vs a >recore because Timm forgot to use lock washers bolting the engine mount >to the engine block. Those four missing lock washers are going to cost >me about $300. and could have left me stranded in the desert if I was >trailing alone.). > >He does excellent work and is peerless in his fabrication design, but he >seems to be too busy designing and fabricating to pay a lot of attention >to the tiny mundane details. It would not hurt to go over the work with a >fine tooth comb looking for the little stuff when you pick up the car. > >Timm has the GM conversion down real well but hasn't paid the same level >of attention to the small block Ford conversion. > >Here are some things to think about: > >1. Talk Timm into using the proper Ford engine mounts instead of cobbling >something up from LR four cylinder mounts. It is my understanding that >the newer Ford mounts have an interlock that will keep the engine in >place if the rubber part of the mount ever separates. When I get some >unearmarked money ahead I'm going to have a fabricator replace the mounts >Timm fabricated with the stronger stock Ford small block mounts. > >2. Sanderson makes a block hugger shorty header that will clear the stock >engine mounts and the LR bulkhead. This is a much better solution than >using two left side early V8 Falcon or pickup exhaust manifolds. > >3. The oil pan to front diff clearance is not quite enough if your front >wheels get airborne. Or at least it is not enough for mine (1 ton >springs with plastic sheets between the leaves on extended shackles). >The oil pump is located in the front of the pan and the pickup is located >in the deeper rear part of the sump. I do not remember exactly where the >bump body is located but you might want to rework the front right corner >of the sump so that it has about 2 inches additional clearance at the >front right corner. I now have a nice deep dent there. > >An alternative could be the axle stop extenders that the military used to >reduce upward articulation in the front of 109s. > >4. The oil filter sits REAL close to the frame rail. When he completed >my conversion, before it moved anywhere there was bearly enough space to >remove the oil filter. After the car moved and everything settled, the >only way to replace the stock filter would be to losen the engine mounts >and prise the engine to the right. I diassassembled my oil filter to >remove it instead. There was no way to install a stock oil filter >without moving the engine away from the frame. > >As it turns out the Chrysler oil filter for their older V8s (318, 383, >etc) have the same mount as the Ford oil filter but is at least a third >shorter. It worked just fine in the space that Timm provided. > >I'm looking forward to new serious one pictures. > > > > >TeriAnn > http://www.overlander.net > > The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners > with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 29 01:25:17 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23692 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 01:25:17 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:20:07 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: john hess Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #99 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Hey John & Kathy. Will I see both of you Saturday at the Safety Clinic? > >Dino Dino, Nice to hear from you. I saw your recent posts, and Zack's idea about getting together is something we were thinking about for us Davis/Sacramento Rover owners. Katherine will be attending in Stubby, our series 2 88 pickup. We both think it's best she listens to one person at a time (the instructor!) I count you, Zack, Clark's son, Me, Walt Swain, Mike Catlin (working on an 88), Rob Kerner, Jonathan Scott Kerry-Tyerman (bought mabel from Nick, from Jimmy P), and Ken Utley (non running 88) Make sure you say Hi. cheers, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 29 01:25:18 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23701 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 01:25:18 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <38E164F7.1532BE56@wenet.net> References: <20000328044251.NTIU5721.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> <38E164F7.1532BE56@wenet.net> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:27:50 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: john hess Subject: Re: winch - wire rope Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I probably use my winch harder than most. I upgraded my cable. I almost >always use a snatch block. I clean, lubricate, and inspect all my rigging >gear religiously. I replace it once a year. I'm also more aware of the >limitations of the equipment and rigging gear than most and have a >professional interest in safe rigging practice. My beef is that working load >limits should be taken seriously and not considered a conservative rating to >avoid stretching or damage. They are realistic ratings meant to keep you safe. Thank you Bruce. I know that many people, Land Rover Owners included, do not take such care of their winch cables. What scares me is the number of people who get out of their car to stand near a winch cable when someone is being recovered. In my opinion, winching is a serious dangerous thing that has do be done correctly and is not a spectator sport. Folks are buying 10K, 12K pull winches, when the cable snaps, I want to be in camp. I have been happily surprised to see someone place an old carpet over the cable as a "just in case". cheers, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 29 02:57:13 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23745 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 02:57:13 -0500 From: LRDino@aol.com Message-ID: <48.3592d65.2612f6b3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 01:03:31 EST Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #101 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 68 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Count me in on any Sacto-Davis future type activity. Stubby should have no problem with the stair steps or the frame twister. Kathy you'll have a ball and learn something about your skills and Stubby. You will become One. Cya Saturday, Dino From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 29 03:56:40 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA23779 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 03:56:40 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: winch - wire rope Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 23:12:59 -0800 Message-ID: <000401bf994e$369cae80$2591113f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <38E164F7.1532BE56@wenet.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org We have a pull tester on base. We use it mainly to check bomb/missile lanyards. I remember testing many Skipper lanyards when we failed to fire the rocket motor. If I remember correctly, this was 1/8" cable. I've always carried a couple of old pairs of jeans to tie around the cables to keep them from flying too far when they snap. Chains become a 'solid' rod when they've been pulled really hard. It's really hard to put them back in your vehicle! I imagine a standard pull tester could break your test cable with the right fixings. Later, Kelly Minnick From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 29 04:02:09 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA23944 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 04:02:09 -0500 Message-ID: <38E1ABF1.6363EC01@thelen.org> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 23:08:33 -0800 From: "Christopher H. Dow" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Safari Gard vs ? References: <01BF98EE.D4F92780@p.l2.vfr.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I put a TJM on Leslie's 90 over Christmas (bless her soul, she wanted a winch and bumper for xmas!). I don't like the approach angle at all. However, as far as I could tell at the time, it was the only Defender bumper available in the US at the time--meaning in stock and available for delivery before xmas. Anyway, I don't recommend that one. C Clayton Kirkwood wrote: > > I am currently looking at investing in a new front bumper and winch. I know > that SG has a good one and they make one to support the Husky and takes a > skid plate. I know that BP and others have similar setups. > > For those of you that have seen both the SG and BP or other setups, would > you please share your opinions? Which seem strongest, best manufacture, > best approach angle, best thought out and implemented, etc? > > I am really interested in the pro/cons. > > Thanks, > > Clayton From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 29 04:03:42 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA23959 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 04:03:42 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: TW those pesky filters Re: 5.0L swap (my experience) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 23:20:00 -0800 Message-ID: <000501bf994f$31fa0c00$2591113f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <38e14fe4.23d0.0@jps.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Many of the racers use after-market oil pans with anti-splash features. I've even helped make custom pans by cutting off an old pan and making our own sheet metal pan that get welded to the stock mount. The is also always the dry sump method! Not that expensive. Kelly Minnick > There also may be an alternate oil-pan without the interference > from the axle > you are getting. look around at the different applications of > that engine. the > ford mounts are def the answer inmy book. having the protection > WHEN the mounts > fail is nice. I remember watching the engine in my mothers volvo > jumping around > with both mounts broken, kinda scary! > > Paul > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 29 04:39:55 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA23977 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 04:39:55 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Rover 3.9L V-8 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 23:56:13 -0800 Message-ID: <000801bf9954$4118a520$2591113f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org James- The 3.9L is a stronger block and has a lot better HP/torque potential. The Cam for the 3.9L is a LOT better than the 3.5L cam. The 4.6L is cross-bolted mains and heavier webbing across the block. Also, the 4.6L gains all it's cc's from a STROKE increase... I think you should build one and let me know how fast that MGB will really move! Not sure the brakes are up for the task, though! Later, Kelly Minnick > > The 3.5 weighs about the same as the 1.8 liter B-series cast iron engine > used in the MGB. It fits under the hood of it, too. > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 29 05:06:53 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA23996 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 05:06:53 -0500 From: Biophilian@aol.com Message-ID: <4b.23b349c.26131502@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 03:12:50 EST Subject: Re: Davis area stuff To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 00-03-28 15:31:57 EST, Rob writes: << For those of you who haven't been to the truck, or tractor museum it is definitely worth the trip. I haven't yet been able to get to the truck part but hear it is awesome. I have been through the tractor museum because my department donated the very first tomato harvester invented by us to the museum. The tractors are great. >> Funny, we call the Range Rover, "The Tractor." Affectionately, of course. And it is "great." I'm going. Kevan Wiser From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 29 05:23:13 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA24009 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 05:23:13 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 00:07:27 -0800 Subject: Re: Rover 3.9L V-8 Message-ID: <20000329.002959.-177015.30.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,5-6,9-10,14-15,17-20,22-49 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Actually, the 3.5 engine is 11 pounds LIGHTER than a MGB 4 cylinder. (don't ask...) The 3.5, as evidenced by my SD-1, can be quite the runner as well. (ask Marty at BP about the 100-foot+ burnout I did in front of the shop several years ago!) Clocked at Terminal Island Racecay at 6-secs 0-60, and 15 in the 1/4 mile: not bad for a 4200lb car. I'd LOVE to see what a Rover powered MGB can do! AFAIK the engine has never been opened up, except for the time the oil pump/dizzy drive was replaced (timing cover removed), and the time I dropped the oil pan to hammer a dent out of it - the heads have never been off in 182,000 miles. The Range Rover on the other hand (3.9), is about to have the left bank removed to be surfaced... Charles On Tue, 28 Mar 2000 23:56:13 -0800 "Kelly Minnick" writes: > James- > The 3.9L is a stronger block and has a lot better HP/torque > potential. The > Cam for the 3.9L is a LOT better than the 3.5L cam. The 4.6L is > cross-bolted > mains and heavier webbing across the block. Also, the 4.6L gains all > it's > cc's from a STROKE increase... I think you should build one and let > me know > how fast that MGB will really move! Not sure the brakes are up for > the task, > though! Later, > > Kelly Minnick > > > > > > The 3.5 weighs about the same as the 1.8 liter B-series cast iron > engine > > used in the MGB. It fits under the hood of it, too. > > > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 29 06:12:03 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA24034 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 06:12:03 -0500 From: Biophilian@aol.com Message-ID: <6b.2ba8817.2613244b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 04:18:03 EST Subject: Re: Safari Gard vs ? To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 00-03-28 22:51:19 EST, Clayton writes: << I am currently looking at investing in a new front bumper and winch. I know that SG has a good one and they make one to support the Husky and takes a skid plate. I know that BP and others have similar setups. >> What model LR are you planning to install said bumper on? ARB makes a very nice product that is designed for Warn's winches. I'm literally in the middle of installing my ARB/Warn XD9000 combination on my RR. I'm in the middle, because Warn changed the motor size (to 4.6hp from 2.5hp) and my bumper was/is meant to accomodate the smaller motor. ARB says they have changed the bumpers to accomodate the 4.6hp motor (it's a simple notching job). I just ended up with the last of the bumpers designed for the 2.5hp motor. I'm probably just going to notch mine and use the larger motored Warn with its higher line speed. I should say, the ARB is very nicely finished and I have no doubts about its ability to perform. The thing slid onto the frame and the bolt holes lined up like it was standard. It does appear to be a little "more" bar than the SG bar, but i'm sure the SG is more than enough for most applications. ARB, while only wholesaling in the States, has their NA distribution within 4 miles of my house in Seattle. I've been there and the people are great. I have no doubts about their integrity; if something is wrong, they'll definitely take care of it. Also, Rovers North does an ARB - Husky 10000lbs setup, but it sure ain't cheap. My ARB bull bar/bumper for the Range Rover was $629.00 from Central 4-Wheel Drive in Everett, WA (they have other westcoast locations). The winch, $729.00. Saw-zall blade, about a dollar. Kevan Wiser From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 29 06:18:44 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA24046 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 06:18:44 -0500 From: Biophilian@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 04:24:39 EST Subject: Re: Safari Gard vs ? To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 00-03-28 22:51:19 EST, you write: << Which seem strongest, best manufacture, best approach angle, best thought out and implemented, etc? >> Forgot to mention, the ARB has been setup for driving lamps and CB antennas. If it's a Range Rover, your approach angle is limited by the rear, so this should not be a major consideration in choosing your winch mount. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 29 09:32:28 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24160 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:32:28 -0500 Message-ID: <001b01bf997b$4afec160$bb4c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "PeterHope" To: References: <000401bf994e$369cae80$2591113f@minnick> Subject: Testing winch - wire rope Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 02:35:40 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Aloha, been following this one and was wonder if there wasn't a way to use a hydraulic press and/or a pull-pall to test the cables. They both have dial gauges so you know how much pressure is on the system. Have seen a 12 ton pull pall. Wonder if you could take a 20ton press pump and use in the same way? Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 29 11:26:50 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24280 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:26:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200003291441.GAA12812@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: 5.0L swap (my experience) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 00 06:38:49 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >> The Chrysler V8 filter is a good fit with plenty of clearence and well >> protected between the block and frame rail. I think it will do fine. >CHRYSLER?????? >------------------ > >TeriAnn, >Is there another mod you didn't tell ;-) >What put chrystler instead of Ford in your mind? Nope. It was spelled out as the work around to the oil filter clearence problem in the email you replied to. You did read to the end of the paragaph before you replied right?? ;*) Ford small block oil filters have the same mounting thread & seal as the classic Chrysler V8s (318, 383, etc). There are interchangable. The real difference is that the Ford filters are about a third (half?) longer then the Chrysler filter. SO where the Ford filter is just a tad too long the Crysler filter fits very nicely. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 29 12:07:19 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24372 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:07:19 -0500 Message-ID: <20000329151321.22191.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [158.252.217.142] From: "Lou Weinert" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Darwin wins another one...(no LR content) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:13:21 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Reminds me of the last time I was in San Francisco, trying to drive down >market Street: each time that MY light changed green, people decided to >cross the street in front of me! What do you think? This town ain't some Guiliani-run knock-off! Crossing on reds are our unalienable right here in San Francisco. You can always spot an out-of-towner by their shorts in the summer and how they patiently wait at red lights before crossing. It just proves that LA just needs a more aggressive form of natural selection. -Lou Weinert flame suit on ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 29 12:20:48 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24392 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:20:48 -0500 Message-ID: <16D03631929FD311BC5D009027D0CBB2175701@vegmail.ucdavis.edu> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #99 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:31:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John what safety clinic? HUH did I miss something? -Rob -----Original Message----- From: john hess [mailto:jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us] Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 8:20 PM To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #99 >Hey John & Kathy. Will I see both of you Saturday at the Safety Clinic? > >Dino Dino, Nice to hear from you. I saw your recent posts, and Zack's idea about getting together is something we were thinking about for us Davis/Sacramento Rover owners. Katherine will be attending in Stubby, our series 2 88 pickup. We both think it's best she listens to one person at a time (the instructor!) I count you, Zack, Clark's son, Me, Walt Swain, Mike Catlin (working on an 88), Rob Kerner, Jonathan Scott Kerry-Tyerman (bought mabel from Nick, from Jimmy P), and Ken Utley (non running 88) Make sure you say Hi. cheers, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 29 12:33:50 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24413 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:33:50 -0500 Message-ID: <20000329153951.58839.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [158.252.217.142] From: "Lou Weinert" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Rover 3.9L V-8 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:39:51 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >The name escapes me, but the family that brought the Dormobile (besides >John Hess)(Eric ?) on the Red Rocks trip dropped a Rover V8 into their >MGB. It got driven a lot, from what I recall them saying. > >For myself, the stock MGB feels like a rocket after driving the Land >Rover. > There was a couple at last year's Palo Alto meet with a MGB GT with the 215ci. engine in it. He did a NICE job. Custom headers- very clean installation- dummy thought it was stock! The two of 'em had driven it all over tarnation. -Lou Weinert ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 29 12:37:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24424 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:37:00 -0500 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 08:33:28 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Rover 3.9L V-8 In-Reply-To: <000801bf9954$4118a520$2591113f@minnick> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > The 4.6L is cross-bolted mains and heavier webbing across the block. Okay, I thought I knew what this meant, but I don't. What is a cross-bolted main? The MG RV8 was basically an MGB with the 3.9 litre engine dropped in (made sometime in the early 90s). It weighed about 2800 lbs, which is ~500 lb more than the standard MGB (probably all the luxury extras they put in). 0-60 was 5.9 sec. I friend of mine who owns a computer business in Japan owned one over there. They sold quite a few in Tokyo. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 29 12:40:09 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24439 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:40:09 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CD90C@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'LRO'" , "'mendo'" , "'D90'" Subject: RE: Wheel balancing Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 08:50:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org FYI, I submitted the following questions to Rob Dassler, a technician at a Land Rover Center here in Denver, CO > Hi Rob, > I have another question for your expertise. > > How do the dealer shops balance wheels? Do they use the center hole or > the lug holes as the primary locator on the machine? For the past couple > years I've been thinking that using the lug holes was the right way to do > it. But today, I get a note from a guy who says this is true of the old > series wheels, but the modern alloys should be centered on the center > hole. > > Which is the right way to do it for LR alloys? > > Are the new rangie and disco2 wheels with the smaller lug pattern done > differently? > > Thanks again for your help, bud, > -Dave G. > > > Rob's reply was as follows: David We almost always use a lug adapter to balance wheels. The one that we have was sent to us by Land Rover and is designed to accommodate both (old and new shape rangie) lug patterns. Steel wheels must be balanced with the lug adapter as the centers are not always punched dead center. The alloys can be balanced satisfactorily using a centering cone, however, best results are achieved with the lug adapter. Note that there is a centering cone used with the lug adapter to get it close but the final centering is with the lug pins. Rob As usual, everybody's right! :^) FWIW, -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 29 12:58:59 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24472 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:58:59 -0500 Date: 29 Mar 2000 08:05:29 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org X-Sender: web79245@dreamlab.cc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: ARB notching (was: Re: Safari Gard vs ?) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kevan, > ARB says they have changed the >bumpers to accomodate the 4.6hp motor (it's a simple notching job). I just >ended up with the last of the bumpers designed for the 2.5hp motor. I'm >probably just going to notch mine and use the larger motored Warn with its >higher line speed. > I went through the same dilemma about 1 1/2 years ago! I'm surprized that there were still any 'old' ARB bumpers around (well, actually I'm not that surprized, there probably aren't that many sold annually to RR owners). I fiddled with that winch for a week before deciding notching was the only way to do it right. I even tried mounting it upside down and called Warn about respooling the drum the opposite way. Nothing doing they said. I had the chance to get the 10,000 lb winch recently and upgraded, but I still have the 9000 just in case! One thing I did was to grind off the towing eyes that portrude down from the front of the bumper. I bent them over in Moab last year and they were doing no good so I removed them. I did put two Dixon-Bate mounts on the front to replace the tow points I removed. I feel stupid that the notching idea wasn't my first inclination and I wasted all that time trying to make it work. ;) >I should say, the ARB is very nicely finished and I have no doubts about its >ability to perform. The thing slid onto the frame and the bolt holes lined up >like it was standard. It does appear to be a little "more" bar than the SG >bar, but i'm sure the SG is more than enough for most applications. ARB, >while only wholesaling in the States, has their NA distribution within 4 >miles of my house in Seattle. I've been there and the people are great. I >have no doubts about their integrity; if something is wrong, they'll >definitely take care of it. > True true true. I can vouch for ARB. Great people, great service. >Also, Rovers North does an ARB - Husky 10000lbs setup, but it sure ain't >cheap. > Plus you have to ship it across the country! >My ARB bull bar/bumper for the Range Rover was $629.00 from Central 4-Wheel >Drive in Everett, WA (they have other westcoast locations). The winch, >$729.00. Saw-zall blade, about a dollar. > >Kevan Wiser Man, I went through more blades than that! I think we used a pack, breaking several. I opted not to remove the bar to do the notching, (duh!) which was a mistake. Michael Slade Portland, Oregon www.DreamLab.cc From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 29 14:07:40 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24553 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:07:40 -0500 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:14:09 -0800 (PST) From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Rover 3.9L V-8 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, James Howard wrote: > > > The 4.6L is cross-bolted mains and heavier webbing across the block. > > Okay, I thought I knew what this meant, but I don't. What is a > cross-bolted main? > simple main bearings have bolts that stick vertically down into the block and hold the bearings around the crank. A more redundant and stronger way is to have bolts that go vertically into the block, plus horizontally into the block. A little bit heavier casting, plus bearings at the front and rear of the crank, plus between each row of pistons (V8, 4 rows,) means the crank and block are one unit, the crank going around and the pistons going up and down. Now what about a windage tray and baffled oil sump? Aluminum flywheel anyone? cheers, john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 29 14:47:59 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24684 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:47:59 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:52:24 -0800 Subject: Re: Darwin wins another one...(no LR content) Message-ID: <20000329.095356.-177015.35.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,5-6,8-9,11-41 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org L.A. DOES have a more aggressive form of natural selection - it's called the Blue Line! (THUMP!: Game over.) Although, the busses help as well. Usually, it's an idiot in a car that tries to beat the trains (travelling at about 60 mph, though this accident was at about 35 - the train was 100 yards from stopping at a station), but I guess this person felt lucky... Charles - who almost got a new Rangie compliments of the Long Beach P.D. the other day On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:13:21 PST "Lou Weinert" writes: > > >Reminds me of the last time I was in San Francisco, trying to drive > down > >market Street: each time that MY light changed green, people > decided to > >cross the street in front of me! > > What do you think? > > This town ain't some Guiliani-run knock-off! > > Crossing on reds are our unalienable right here in San Francisco. > You can > always spot an out-of-towner by their shorts in the summer and how > they > patiently wait at red lights before crossing. > > It just proves that LA just needs a more aggressive form of natural > selection. > > -Lou Weinert > flame suit on > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 29 15:09:38 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24755 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:09:38 -0500 Message-ID: <000201bf99ab$04b82ea0$7500000a@kklaptop> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Corvette Engine Range Rovers Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 08:27:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John Brabyn wrote: >I recall an article in Four Wheeler magazine some years >ago detailing someone's insertion of a full-blooded Corvette >engine into a 1988 Range Rover. Overfinch the British company has been putting V8s including actual Chevy Corvette engines in Range Rovers for almost 20 years. Kevin Kelly From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 29 18:32:41 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24964 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:32:41 -0500 Message-ID: <20000329213900.26185.qmail@web205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:39:00 -0800 (PST) From: joe mulqueen Subject: re: Cole Hearse headlamp connectors To: mendo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Tom, I purchased the connector "kits" p/n3028-02 from my local auto store (A&M Auto in Los Gatos). This part number includes one hard plastic connector and three loose contacts. The contacts must be soldered to your wires (which can be as large as 10G). Obviously, a hot soldering iron is needed to overcome the mass of your large wires. P/N 3028-2 is for loose contacts only. My auto store had to order them from their distributor (which took 3 weeks). Cole Hersee has a web site but they are an "old" company that requires you to purchase through a potentially muli-layered distribution system. I sent them repeat emails asking for a vendor who might have them in stock. I always got a reply, but the vendors usually didn't have the item. These are the contacts Cole Hersee provided. If I recall correctly, Express Truck Parts was very interested in ordering them for me. It just so happened, my local store came through with the goods. JoeM UNIVERSAL FLEET, FREMONT, CA TEL 510-657-2557 JEEPSTER MAN, HOWELL, NJ TEL 732-458-3966 TERMINAL SUPPLY, TROY, MI TEL 248-362-0792 THE LIGHTHOUSE, LOS ANGELES, CA FOR BOTH 213-749-5031 INSTRUMENT SALES & SERVICE, PORTLAND, OR FOR 3028-2 800-442-0863 EXT 310 EXPRESS TRUCK PARTS, SAN JOSE, CA TEL: (408) 288-5410 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:26:03 -0700 From: Thomas Joyner Subject: Joe's headlight connectors Joe, where did you get the Cole Hearse connectors from? Tom 88 RR __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 29 19:04:35 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25004 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:04:35 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CD91C@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'LRO'" , "'CSO'" , "'mendo'" Subject: Disco Clock bulb Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:14:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ended up having to get the bulb from the dealer. Clipped me $10 for a thing the size of a house fly! But, they made up for it by selling me their last display case copy of Vehicle Dependent Expedition Guide for $40. It was marked $55 and I thought they were originally more like $70. Definitely more like $700 worth of info in there. Very readable too. All in all, I'm happy. Oh yeah, and the D90 seat cover was some how dropped from the back order list, although I never saw it. They renewed the order....That may have had something to do with the price break on the book. -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 29 19:36:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25028 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:36:27 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CD91E@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'LRO'" , "'CSO'" , "'mendo'" Subject: Vehicle Dependent Expedition Guide Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:46:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, it seems $40 US is something of a "fair" price for the book. Amazon.com and Barnes and Noble websites don't list it, but a query of Amazon.uk brings it right up at 29.99 Pounds Sterling, or a little under $50 US before floating it 'crossed the pond. -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 29 21:59:45 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25167 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:59:45 -0500 Message-ID: <38E2A936.6F0ABE2C@wenet.net> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:09:10 -0800 From: "Bruce R. Bonar" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: winch - wire rope References: <20000328044251.NTIU5721.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> <38E164F7.1532BE56@wenet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org john hess wrote: > ... What scares > me is the number of people who get out of their car to stand near a > winch cable when someone is being recovered. In my opinion, winching > is a serious dangerous thing that has do be done correctly and is not > a spectator sport. Stephanie was commenting the other day that she doesn't really know much about winching because I won't let her close enough to see what I'm doing. She has a point, if you can see what's going on you're probably too close. Bruce From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 29 22:17:23 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25185 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 22:17:23 -0500 From: StevHutch@aol.com Message-ID: <54.263ae16.2614067f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 20:23:11 EST Subject: Moab Face-off To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 39 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ran across this very cool page showing a recent Land Rover Face off at Moab....the contenders 2 Ser. II 88" ...get this , One Petrol, AND one Electric ! Loads of cool pics on construction and on the trail... http://www.wilde-evolutions.com/FaceOff.htm From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 29 22:28:16 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25198 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 22:28:16 -0500 Date: 29 Mar 2000 17:34:46 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org X-Sender: web79245@dreamlab.cc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: winch - wire rope Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >john hess wrote: > >> ... What scares >> me is the number of people who get out of their car to stand near a >> winch cable when someone is being recovered. In my opinion, winching >> is a serious dangerous thing that has do be done correctly and is not >> a spectator sport. > >Stephanie was commenting the other day that she doesn't really know much about >winching because I won't let her close enough to see what I'm doing. She has a >point, if you can see what's going on you're probably too close. > >Bruce True. Sometimes when I'm operating the winch I think I'm too close, but in reality you couldn't really use it and be far enough away (IMO). I just try to maximize the distance away from the dangerous parts at any given point in time. I guess when we run these things we accept an inherent risk. I suppose it's up to each individual to decide for themselves what risk they're willing and/or not willing to take. Thanks for the primer on wire ratings and strength. Later, Michael Slade Portland, Oregon www.DreamLab.cc From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 29 23:37:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25253 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 23:37:37 -0500 Message-ID: <005b01bf99f1$5de4b160$bb4c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "PeterHope" To: References: Subject: Re: winch - wire rope Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:40:51 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > True. Sometimes when I'm operating the winch I think I'm too close, but in > reality you couldn't really use it and be far enough away (IMO). I just > try to maximize the distance away from the dangerous parts at any given > point in time. I agree with you there Michael, unfortunately the controls on my Koenig are on the winch. They did make a version that had cable controls mounted in the cab and I am hoping to ba able to convert mine. PO would sit on the hood or wing with feet on the bumper to operate the thing before. Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 29 23:39:16 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25264 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 23:39:16 -0500 Message-ID: <006101bf99f1$9a85eee0$bb4c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "PeterHope" To: References: <54.263ae16.2614067f@aol.com> Subject: Re: Moab Face-off Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:42:34 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Ran across this very cool page showing a recent Land Rover Face off at > Moab....the contenders 2 Ser. II 88" ...get this , One Petrol, AND one > Electric ! LRM recently did an article on this also From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 29 23:55:41 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25282 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 23:55:41 -0500 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: <69.2f3f127.26141d91@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 22:01:37 EST Subject: Re: Moab Face-off To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 101 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/29/00 7:47:03 PM US Mountain Standard Time, phope@hawaii.rr.com writes: << > Ran across this very cool page showing a recent Land Rover Face off at > Moab....the contenders 2 Ser. II 88" ...get this , One Petrol, AND one > Electric ! LRM recently did an article on this also >> And, he (sparky LR) was at Portland last year...... or was it year before? Cheers, Gerry From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 30 01:58:44 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25989 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 01:58:44 -0500 From: SFmms@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 00:04:46 EST Subject: Re: Picnic Day at UC Davis To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John Hess wrote: << April 15 is Picnic Day on the UCD campus. Generally weird day, with a parade in the AM, different events all day long and adequate opportunities to spend money on food or drink. >> Do they still have the dachshund races and the President of the U of Davis milking a cow? (Munir (my husband) and I are both grads of the engineering graduate school there). Darn, April 15th I will be the Trailmaster for my offroad club at work leading them on an all day 4 wheeling trip at Big Bear from Baldwin Lake to Yucca Valley (on 2N02) I will possibly take them on the Onyx Mountain trail on April 16th depending on what they want to do. We went to Big Bear this past weekend, and I preran the part of the above trail 5 hours this past Saturday and played in the mud a bit on the Holcomb Valley area trails too. Sunday I got in another few hours running down Balky Horse Canyon (2N04) from Highway 38. Scary trip up to Big Bear towing the SIII, lost power in the Disco and barely made the (16%) grade up and not too many opportunities to pull over. Turned out to be a plugged fuel filter, which we had changed at the dealer. Turned out to be an OEM unit AC part no. GF-651 if anyone is interested. Mounting location is somewhere underneath near the transfer gearbox and I am going to see how difficult it is to change it myself the next time. Karen Sindir '74 SIII 88 Red Rufy '95 Disco EFE - never a dull moment '66 SIIa 88 - still waiting From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 30 02:10:55 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA26219 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:10:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200003300517.VAA29268@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: (fwd) Re: 5.0L swap (my experience) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:17:20 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [This bounced because it was too long. The old limit was 16,000 characters (or about 200 lines). I upped this to 48,000. -Ben ] ------- Forwarded Message Subject: Re: 5.0L swap (my experience) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 00 12:34:06 -0800 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" >TeriAnn, > >You should have fitted a remote filter to begin with rather than a Chrysler >(smaller) filter. Do the engine a favor and let it have clean oil. Does this mean you believe that the Chrysler engineers designed their V8s poorly so that they would run with dirty oil? I considered a remote filter initially but do not have space inside the engine bay to mount it without removing something else that is providing a function. I figure that if the Chrysler engineers feel the filter properly cleans a 383 V8 it can handle a 302 for the 3000 miles I drive between oil & filter changes. > >Engines should be mounted on the mounts designed for them by their >respective designers (Ford, Chevy, Chrysler, etc), IMO. This is regardless >of the underlying steel mounting pads. I agree completely. I was not there when Timm fitted the engine and fabricated the mounts. I arrived to do the rewiring, hydraulic fabrication and to help button things up AFTER Timm had the conversion in place. I expected Ford small block mounts (He uses Chevy small block mounts on his Chevy conversions so I thought he would do the same with mine.) I was very disappointed when I saw the LR four cylinder petrol mounts in place. I just chalked it up to something I left to his judgment and did not specify before hand. So this was not worth complaining about. In my e-mail I was suggesting to Michael that he might want to specify Ford 5L engine mounts. >As for checking out YOUR vehicle after ANYONE (including yourself) does >major work on it, this is an obvious aspect of any repair. If YOU didn't >check things out, you are every bit as much to blame as Mr. Cooper, in my >opinion. You are right there. I make a number of assumptions that came back to bite me and this was one. The only "excuse" I have is that Timm was in a rush to get to Portland and I was being hurried on my way. I did my check things over right after I got home. And yes I did not notice the bolts holding the motor mounts to the engine did not have washers. In retrospect I should have driven into town and checked fluids, belts and fasteners before going home. Per your suggestion,I could have camped out in a wide spot somewhere around Medford for a day to so to check everything over before heading home. But I'm in awe of Timm's abilities and it did not occur to me at the time. >As for Timm being careless or "forgetting things", I seem to remember that >you dragged him up short on the conversion project and didn't allow him to >finish the work as you and he had agreed (I remember you telling me this at >Portland at the All British Meet). You mentioned that a combination of >time and money caused you to decide rather abruptly that the "job was >finished", pack up, and go home to California. Nope. Your memory is wrong. I had all the time in the world and did not have to be anywhere. While I asked him to be conscientious of money, the overriding emphasis was on doing everything structurally right without some of the time consuming embellishments (like refinishing the rewelded bulkhead so you could not see that it had been cut and rewelded). I had another almost $10K in the visa I brought along that could be used if necessary. I did some of the work myself to save money (rewiring, hydraulic refabrication, reinstalling the body panels, etc). And there were some things I did not contract Timm to do that I planned to do afterwards such as refinishing the air cleaner, deciding upon how I wanted the battery located and what size battery I wanted plus a couple of other little odds & ends, but I wanted Timm to do the parts we agreed upon to the best of his ability taking however much time he needed. Near as I can tell the project went longer than Timm thought it would. He booked a job in Portland and my car ran three days into the time he had the other job booked. There was a big rush at the end to get my car mobile and out of there so he could get to Portland. >I seem to also recall that much of the time originally slated for the >engine conversion itself was spent by Timm repairing your chassis which was >about to fall apart in the front engine bay. Timm charged me for 10 hours of frame repair. It took a full day to track down and repair all the cracks. And I consider this money very well spent. But there was not a "slated time" for the conversion. The only things that were slated was a beginning date and that he would work on that project until completed. I delivered the car & all the parts then stayed a couple days doing additional disassembly and dirty parts cleaning while Timm thought I could help. When we reached the point where I could not be a real help I returned home via bus. Timm decided when he was close enough to completion that I could return and help button things back up. He called me up when he was ready and I took the bus back to Medford. I had NO completion date that we were rushing against. However Timm himself set one by scheduling a second project in Portland. > The frame damage was severe >enough to make the vehicle unsafe for use on the highway. It was bad but not that bad. It would have been very iffy on a long off road run but would handle paved roads. Basically most seams forward of the transfer case cross member were compromised at some point but also holding in more areas than compromised. But I definitely should not be off roading with it in that condition. Timm looked at the factory welds and decided that whoever welded the front third of the frame had the voltage turned down too low to get a good weld. The seams at and behind the transfer case cross member are holding properly. It was just the seams in front of that cross member that were parting from the factory cold welding. Its amazing how much more rigid and solid the rig feels now. I always thought the frame was supposed to flex. That's what I get for driving one car for 22 years and not a variety of long wheel base LRs off road. > After reading >your description of taking a Dormobile AIRBORNE across the desert, courtesy >of the power of that nice small block Ford engine, I have little doubt in >my own mind as to the actual cause of bent oil pan and lost engine mounting >bolts. Well actually it was one axle housing at a time. I don't think I ever had all four off at the same time. But I thought I said it was the reason the oil pan got customized by the diff housing. This has nothing to do with Timm. It was me testing the limits of the conversion. Both Timm & I thought there was enough clearance before I tested it. I like to test recent modifications hard when there are others around to help me recover from my foolishness. I also drive more conservatively when I'm trailing alone. Testing things harder than I normally drive is a way for me to learn where my car's envelope is and allows me to detect and correct weak points. Consider it a teething issue with NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH TIMM OR ANYONE ELSE. As far as the bolts are concerned, I expect EVERY bolt in my car to remain in place at all times. I do not expect three of four 7/16ths bolts to back out from vibration and fall off. Though you did bring up an interesting point about engine mounts being picked partially because of vibration characteristics. My only point here is that three of the four bolts holding the engine in place did back out and in my book they should have stayed in place. The fourth bolt did not have a washer. I am making the assumption that the three bolts that dropped off were in the same condition as the one that remained. I normally use either a lock washer or a nyloc nut when assembling a bolt on my car just to minimize the possibility of a bolt backing out. > Given that you also decided to forgo bothering to increase the >length of the factory rubber axle stops, my understanding regarding the >cause of the bent oil pan is even clearer. I'm not sure why you are much more bothered about me bending a corner of my oil pan than I am. I was testing the system to see if I needed to add length to the stops. Statically there is a long distance between the pan and diff housing even when you jack up the car. The only way I know to test if the spacing is long enough under dynamic conditions is to go out and test it dynamically. And sorry, I did NOT forgo anything. Longer axle stops was never suggested by anyone. But I figured it would never hurt to check just to in case... Longer stops limit upwards axle articulation. I did not want to reduce the upper limit if I did not have to. I checked and know I know. So what's the big deal? > But I would wager that Timm >Cooper's repairs of your badly cracked and broken frame HELD TOGETHER, Yep. That was never in question or a concern. Timm is as competent a welder as I have ever seen. After what I have seen him weld I would trust his welds implicitly. And believe me I am REAL thankful that the conversion process exposed all those hidden cracks. They were not visible with the engine and body panels in place. It scares me to think what might of happened out in the middle of nowhere without that repair. > even >after you grossly abused the 109 Dormobile by taking it airborne. A 109 >Dormobile is NOT a SCORE racing truck, even if it is fitted with a small >block Ford V8. I expect an off road vehicle to be able to function off road reliably. While we were working on my car Timm kept suggesting that I take it places that I would never have considered. He seems to think it should be able to go places and do things that D90s can not and it would be fun to show them up with a loaded long wheel base series rig. I have added a lot of weight to my car but I have also done a lot of strengthening over stock civilian configuration so it can handle more. You seem to have forgotten that I was with a NADA 6 cyl Dormobile, a 109 regular, Nissan Xtream, Toyota pickup, a lightweight, a D90 and two 88s who took the same trail I did at the same speeds as I did. They suffered no damage. When the six cylinder Dormobile was in the lead it went at a very respectable pace equal to or better than I would in my "testing mode". To the best of my knowledge out of the nine vehicles taking the same trail at the same speed only three bolts total fell out. >Everyone can forget a small detail here or there, Amen to that. > especially in a very >complex project that has several unexpected steps thrown into the mix of >planned work (such as major frame repairs after being told by you that the >truck was in "good condition"). As far as I know rewelding the front seams was the ONLY extra step added to the project. And the seam cracks were almost all along the top seams where they were covered by the engine and the body. It was not until the front frame was exposed that the worst of the cracks could be seen. I told Timm about the cracks I saw when I took the front end apart during the few days before the car went North. So he did know about the existence of cracks before the vehicle arrived, though not much before. As it turns out most of the seam cracks were hairline that were hard to detect visibly even after the seams were wire brushed. I think Timm spent as much time looking for those cold weld cracks as he did rewelding them. You are getting me confused again. Why are you so emotionally keyed up because my car had a lot of bad factory welds and that Timm spent a day hunting them down and fixing them????? >I have not had Timm Cooper actually do an engine conversion for me, so >perhaps I cannot speak directly to the quality of his work or his level of >conscientiousness. But from the work of Timm's that I have seen, and many >conversations with him, I would have little hesitation to have him work on >MY vehicle. I personally think Timm is pure genius at design and fabrication. He designs and fabricates things that truly amaze me. I would not consider going to anyone else for the kind of conversion I had done and would not hesitate to contract him again to do additional work on my car. > He gives me every impression of being EXTREMELY conscientious, >careful, and thoughtful in his designs and installations. Yes I agree completely. I think two things happened. 1. Timm does not like to work on a major project straight through. He prefers to work on a project for a while then let it rest while he works on another for a while. At the time, the Triumph was still not quite ready for any real driving, so the Land Rover was the closest thing I had to reliable transportation. So I wanted him to work on it straight through without letting it sit for a couple of weeks while he worked on other vehicles. While he agreed to do this I discovered later that he really does not like working on a complex project straight through and felt rushed because of this. 2. Even with me doing the electrical, hydraulics and sheet metal reassembly,the project took several days longer than he had estimated (way more than the 10 hours spent repairing the cold factory welds). Timm booked a project in Portland. My project overlapped his agreed upon starting time for the other project by three days. During those three days I got the impression that things were hurried a lot. I agreed to finish the battery stuff at home and I got out as quickly as possible so Timm could get to his project in Portland. Want the list? 1. transmission fluid 2 qts low. Something in the gearbox/transfer case screams very loudly when the car is going uphill under load. The oil seal between the gearbox and transfer case is not sealing so oil is getting pumped from the gearbox to the transfer case at a very high rate. The high-low transfer box lever was hanging up against the transmission housing because the clearance was too tight on the mount. 2. Timm installed the distributor 1 tooth off, timed it by ear because the "mark was way off". He mentioned that the power was a lot less than he expected. I got about 6 MPG on the way home. 3. When he reinstalled the steering column he did not pay attention to the wiring and pinched the insulation off the wire supplying power to the headlamp dimmer switch. The upper steering column knuckle joint was too sharp and the 'U' joint binded every quarter turn making for sticky spots in the steering. Timm said the problem was air working it's way out of the steering box. He drilled and tapped a hole in the steering column to lubricate a bushing he machined. The Zurich fitting would not thread in so he ignored it leaving the bushing dry. 4. The bolts holding the alternator and the power steering pump were loose. The power steering belt shredded against the fan and disintegrated near the Oregon California border. When I replaced that belt I noticed that the alternator belt was very loose too and tightened it. 5. He evidently left lock washers off the engine mount bolts. Not a very long list, and everything on it, except the lock washers are, I believe a result of me needing a running car AND Timm underestimating the time the conversion would take if he worked on a single project straight through. Things got hurriedly thrown together at the end when he fabricated the steering stuff. I left after little more than a drive around the neighborhood so Timm could go to Portland. Timm says he likes to keep a car for a couple of weeks before giving it up so he can get a feel for how things are working and do the initial teething issues himself. So the moral of the story is to have another fully functional car to drive and don't press Timm to do a conversion all at once. Assume he is going to work on a number of projects a bit at a time as the mood strikes him and he will be done when he will be done. In retrospect asking him to work on one project straight through was a mistake. >TeriAnn, if you are unhappy with the work that Timm did for you, SAY SO. Basically I am not unhappy with the work Timm has done. A lot of what he did was pure genius in my book and the overall conversion is basically very sound. Any complex fabrication project is bound to have a number of teething problems. But I do think he got hurried the last four or so days and didn't pay attention to the little details like he normally would when he does a project in his own way. So I learned not to press him to do a project all at once. I would have preferred that he used the engine mounts that were designed for that engine. But he & I did not specifically discuss which engine mounts he planned to use before hand so I figure I had no real complaint there. I just put having the engine mounts refabricated to use the mounts designed for the engine on my non-urgent to-do list. Timm seems to think the mounts he designed and fabricated are good so I assume they will function properly. Having mounts that match the engine is just a little quirk of mine. >If you have contacted Timm and he has refused to give you satisfaction, SAY >SO. Timm is aware of the low gearbox oil, loose belts, pinched wire, clearance of the high low shift leaver, the steering knuckle binding, distributor being off a tooth and a couple of other teething problems. He drove my car right after Portland last year and commented on how much more power it has when the distributor is in correctly. We were not able to reproduce the howl in the gearbox because there were no long steep grades in the place where he did the test driving. He is not aware that the three engine mount bolts fell out. I have not communicated with him during the last week. Besides I do not think it was all that big a deal. I only brought it up because people mentioned it on this list right after the Majave trail run and asked for more detail. I took care of everything except the gearbox as I found them and categorized them in the category of minor teething things that happen after any complex project. Timm could not offer to fix these things because I already took care of them myself. Timm has not offered to eliminate the gearbox (transfer case??) noise but I could not duplicate it when he was in the car and the noise that we did hear could have been in the transfer case. Ideally I would have liked him to go through the gearbox to see if there was any damage from driving home with less than a quart of oil in the gearbox. But realistically I think it would be unreasonable of me to insist upon it so I did not. I expect to replace the transfer case soon. I will replace the oil seal then and hopefully the scream going up hill will go away with the transfer case. If it is still there I will ask Timm about it. But I'm not about to insist that he R&R a transmission for a noise that may be in the transfer case. So anyway this is between him & me and I was not planning to bring it out in public. > But I believe your innuendo, back-biting, and general (not so subtle) >disparagement of Timm Cooper and the quality of the work he does is >patently unfair, especially since he is NOT on this list and you have given >no indication that you have asked him to address your grievances. Of course I have not asked Timm to address the teething problems. They are just things I take care of as I find them. The screaming on long grades is still up in the air but I need to first determine that the problem is not in the transfer case. I hope to swap out the transfer case in the next couple of months. My original posting was basically suggestions to Michael about things I have learned since my conversion was made that might make his conversion a little better. I needed to reread it to try to figure out what the innuendoes were. Here it is: - ------------------- >Timm forgets things sometimes. Do yourself a favour and verify fluid levels > right away (I drove my LR home minus 2 qts of oil in the gear box), and check > for such things as lock washers on the engine mounts (I just purchased a new >radiator fan and costed out a new radiator vs a recore because Timm forgot to >use lock washers bolting the engine mount to the engine block. Those four >missing lock washers are going to cost me about $300. and could have left > me stranded in the desert if I was trailing alone.). Timm DID forget a few things on my car and did a few minor things wrong. I was suggesting that Michael double check the details as early as possible. You yourself said earlier "As for checking out YOUR vehicle after ANYONE (including yourself) does major work on it, this is an obvious aspect of any repair. If YOU didn't check things out, you are every bit as much to blame as Mr. Cooper, in my opinion." I was basically advising the same thing. >He does excellent work and is peerless in his fabrication design, but he seems to > be too busy designing and fabricating to pay a lot of attention to the >tiny mundane details. It would not hurt to go over the work with a fine tooth >comb looking for the little stuff when you pick up the car. Once again he did not pay attention to some minor fabrication things on my car such as steering knuckle binding or wires in the way and that is all I can go by. But I consider them to be minor teething issues that one should look out for. On th other hand I also mentioned that I believe "He does excellent work and is peerless in his fabrication design" >Timm has the GM conversion down real well but hasn't paid the same level >of attention to the small block Ford conversion. Timm kept telling me this over and over as we worked on the car. He doesn't like how Ford tends to modify parts frequently, making getting the right combination more of a time consuming puzzle. He doesn't like the power steering pump Ford uses nor the stock alternator and oil filter locations. He prefers the Chevy conversion and makes no bones about it. Timm likes the GM conversion and has got it down to a science. He has to do a lot more adapting in the Ford conversions and because there are so many engine variations he has do do some things differently each time. This is what he told me several times. That is why I was making some suggestions to Michael. These are things I have learned after my conversion was completed. >Here are some things to think about: >1. Talk Timm into using the proper Ford engine mounts instead of cobbling >something up from LR four cylinder mounts. It is my understanding that >the newer Ford mounts have an interlock that will keep the engine in place >if the rubber part of the mount ever separates. When I get some unearmarked >money ahead I'm going to have a fabricator replace the mounts Timm fabricated >with the stronger stock Ford small block mounts. I still don't like mismatched engine and engine mounts. But Timm and I did not discuss this before hand so I have NO gripe with him. He fabricated the mounts he felt would work best. >2. Sanderson makes a block hugger shorty header that will clear the >stock engine mounts and the LR bulkhead. This is a much better solution >than using two left side early V8 Falcon or pickup exhaust manifolds. Timm, I do not think is aware of these headers. I only discovered them a few months ago. >3. The oil pan to front diff clearance is not quite enough if your >front wheels get airborne. Or at least it is not enough for mine >(1 ton springs with plastic sheets between the leaves on extended shackles). > The oil pump is located in the front of the pan and the pickup is located >in the deeper rear part of the sump. I do not remember exactly where the > bump body is located but you might want to rework the front right corner of >the sump so that it has about 2 inches additional clearance at the front >right corner. I now have a nice deep dent there. >An alternative could be the axle stop extenders that the military used >to reduce upward articulation in the front of 109s. This is something I learned last week under actual testing. Both Timm and I thought there would be enough clearance. Once again a suggestion based on new experience that I thought might help Michael, and nothing to do with Timm. >4. The oil filter sits REAL close to the frame rail. When he completed >my conversion, before it moved anywhere there was bearly enough space >to remove the oil filter. After the car moved and everything settled, >the only way to replace the stock filter would be to losen the engine >mounts and prise the engine to the right. I disassembled my oil filter >to remove it instead. There was no way to install a stock oil filter >without moving the engine away from the frame. >As it turns out the Chrysler oil filter for their older V8s (318, 383, etc) > have the same mount as the Ford oil filter but is at least a third shorter. >It worked just fine in the space that Timm provided. OK so Timm thought there was "just bearly enough clearance" (his words) and there wasn't after things settled. No big deal. Next time I see him I am going to mention the Chrysler V8 oil filters to him. My engine bay does not have space to hang an external oil filter without removing something else already there and in use. So I chose a Chrysler V8 oil filter as a solution and was mentioning it to Michael in case he planned on going with the stock filter location. - ----end included original message ---- > At least >let Timm face his accuser and respond to the accusations rather than parade >your ire across the Mendo Recce list while giving Timm Cooper no >opportunity to defend himself against your charges and accusations. You obviously read things from my e-mail that I did not intend to write. I DO apologize for writing so poorly that you misunderstood my intent. Basically my original e-mail consisted of suggestions to Michael for his Ford engine conversion that included things I found out after the conversion that could make his rig a little better and minimize teething issues. And as you yourself pointed out "As for checking out YOUR vehicle after ANYONE (including yourself) does major work on it, this is an obvious aspect of any repair." I was not parading ire that I do not have across the mendo list. I was making some suggestions to Michael based upon my experience and what I have been learning. And why do you assume that Timm and I have not discussed a lot of this? I have provided Timm with teething feedback thank you! And I do not think it nice of you to assume I have not. > >There. I'm done now. I've had my say. I feel better now. That's nice. I feel worse but I believe that was your intention. ------- End of Forwarded Message From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 30 02:14:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA26229 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:14:37 -0500 Message-ID: <38E2E33B.A7CE3DA6@slip.net> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:16:43 -0800 From: Jeremy Bartlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: winch - wire rope References: <20000328044251.NTIU5721.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> <38E164F7.1532BE56@wenet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org john hess wrote: > I have been happily surprised to > see someone place an old carpet over the cable as a "just in case". Perhaps this is really ignorant on my part but I've shyed away from that practice because I think it actually makes things more dangerous. It seems to me that the coat/blanket/whatever always ends up being repositioned as the winching progresses which usually comes down to someone approaching a tensioned cable. The alternative is slacking off to reposition which just as often is not a useful or sometimes particularly safe thing to do either. Jeremy From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 30 03:06:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26267 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 03:06:27 -0500 Message-ID: <002e01bf9a0e$e3925160$463377d8@delllap> From: "Paul Archibald" To: References: <20000328044251.NTIU5721.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> <38E164F7.1532BE56@wenet.net> <38E2E33B.A7CE3DA6@slip.net> Subject: Re: winch - wire rope Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 22:11:47 -0800 Organization: P. A. Design X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > john hess wrote: > > > I have been happily surprised to > > see someone place an old carpet over the cable as a "just in case". Jeremy than said > Perhaps this is really ignorant on my part but I've shyed away from that > practice because I think it actually makes things more dangerous. It seems > to me that the coat/blanket/whatever always ends up being repositioned as > the winching progresses which usually comes down to someone approaching > a tensioned cable. The alternative is slacking off to reposition which just as > often is not a useful or sometimes particularly safe thing to do either. What I had always wondered from the first time I read about winching in a 4x4 rag as a kid was exactly that. The simple solution i came up at the time, with being the paranoid one I am, was to plan on having a scrap of carpet/blanket with a rope attached that would be used to reposition the carpet....say a twenty foor length or rope attached to a 4x6 scrap of carpet that would also be used for other purposes like for crawling under vehicle in mud etc to stay somewhat cleaner. when not in use the carpet would be rolled up with the rope around it not taking up much room...It could also be used if needed over the radiator during wading if so inclined(as some are) It still makes sense to me after twenty years, but I have yet to do any winching and have not had a chance to put the idea into play.....gotta tet the rovers out on the trail! Out of curiosity, has there been any count of cable breakages to determinw whether the cable routinely brakes at either end or center? From the stories I have heard, it appears that there is more strain at the far end and the cables usually come back at the winching vehicle. Any comments? Please anyone give us your experience etc... Another reason to have the longer, stronger cable(sorry, wire rope!) and use the ol' large 8"? pulley to half the pulling force. but than you need a winch with the capacity for that cable, don't you. Blair, how much of what cable did Carpenters end up putting on the Koenig??? Paul From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 30 03:13:34 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26278 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 03:13:34 -0500 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 22:19:54 -0800 (PST) From: Alexander George Cooper Message-Id: <200003300619.WAA15990@epic24.Stanford.EDU> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Snow Run pictures Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have posted pictures from the Snow Run at: http://63.195.181.180/Alex/lr/index.html Somehow in the process I lost a picture of Bubba, so I will fix the blank spot tomorrow. I also added a couple of pictures to the sets for some of the previous trips. Alexander From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 30 03:28:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26292 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 03:28:37 -0500 Date: 29 Mar 2000 22:35:07 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org X-Sender: web79245@dreamlab.cc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: winch - wire rope Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Paul wrote... > >Out of curiosity, has there been any count of cable breakages to determinw >whether the cable routinely brakes at either end or center? From the >stories I have heard, it appears that there is more strain at the far end >and the cables usually come back at the winching vehicle. Any comments? >Please anyone give us your experience etc... It has been my experience that cables rarely actually break. In fact, I've never heard of it at all. ON THE OTHER HAND, the part of the equation that usually fails are the attatchment points not being secured to the vehicle, bumpers snapping in half or being ripped off of the vehicle, tow-balls having the hook slip off during a pull, or other general rigging mishaps. The wire rope is indeed important to have in proper working condition, but IMO the other variables are largely ignored and are much more likely to be in poor condition, used improperly or non-existant. I think you have to look at the recovery system you use as a whole from stem to stern and not just concentrate on the wire rope. Not to discount the wire rope thread (which is important I think), but I'd like to see more emphasis on proper recovery points, their strengths/weaknesses, proper use, and personal favorites. During the preperation for my trip to Canada I approached Warn with the idea of having a 'Winch Safety' page on our website (www.lab-rover.com). We talked it over quite a bit but came to the conclusion that anything that was written could be misinterpreted and injury or death can and does occur from improper winch use. They also had talked about writing an official instruction guide to be included with each new winch sold, but finally decided again, that the liability was too high, and they'd probably get sued anyway (which they do on a regular basis BTW). So, I guess it's really up to the end users to talk freely with each other, offer suggestions and learn from each others mistakes and sucessful research (which I am grateful for both). Thanks to everyone for an educational discussion. Here's hoping it continues! Later, Michael Slade Portland, Oregon www.DreamLab.cc From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 30 04:00:28 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA26309 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 04:00:28 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 23:07:07 -0800 Subject: Another question... Message-ID: <20000329.230709.-177015.41.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-13 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Since I'm NOT going anywhere out of the country anymore, what's the story on a Mendo Rallye/Not-A-Rallye, such as the one I arrived at during the last minutes last April??? (Cedar Camp, I believe it was) Is there one? If so - did I miss it yet?? Charles "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 30 04:57:30 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA26491 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 04:57:30 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Rover 3.9L V-8 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 00:13:45 -0800 Message-ID: <000601bf9a1f$de69c2c0$7605193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Here's a picture of a cross-bolted engine (4.o & 4.6L) http://www.rpiv8.com/engine-4a-big-1.htm The 4.6 puts out 285 lb-ft on the dyno (250 @ 1500 rpm!) and this is stock! Something like 220 hp Vs the 3.9L 183 hp and 235 lb-ft. RPI stage 3 is putting out 272 hp and 303 lb-ft. I think it would make that MG fly... Kelly Minnick > > > > > The 4.6L is cross-bolted mains and heavier webbing across the block. > > Okay, I thought I knew what this meant, but I don't. What is a > cross-bolted main? > > The MG RV8 was basically an MGB with the 3.9 litre engine dropped in (made > sometime in the early 90s). It weighed about 2800 lbs, which is ~500 lb > more than the standard MGB (probably all the luxury extras they put in). > 0-60 was 5.9 sec. I friend of mine who owns a computer business in Japan > owned one over there. They sold quite a few in Tokyo. > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 30 12:42:56 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27245 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:42:56 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CD925@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'D90'" , "'CSO'" , "'LRO'" , "'mendo'" Subject: Free VIN (title & odo) check Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 08:52:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A buddy of mine just sent me this link this morning where you can get a carfax VIN check report for free if you fill out a little survey (4 questions, 3 moto-choi). It's an abbreviated report, mainly just a title and odometer check. It accurately reported my Disco and D90 as clean with correct title history, and CDN D110 15/25 as having a salvaged title issued in Quebec 3/7/97. Side bonus, if you keep VINs of cars you've owned in the past, you can see where they ended up! :^) Pretty cool. Run your rig at: http://www.carfax.com/free -Dave G. PS - Bill Ritchie, do you get additional info with the paid subscription? I thought the main site made it look like dealer service records were also available. What all is in a complete, paid-for report? Have you found your subscription to be valuable? From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 30 13:15:10 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27329 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:15:10 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000330081743.008796a0@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 08:17:43 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: Free VIN (title & odo) check In-Reply-To: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CD925@RCEXS2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, I tried it but it won't do anything with less than 17 digits in the number. Also doesn't like some letters in the ID. It wouldn't work with any series LR and also didn't like my 77 Chev P/U with only 13 digits. It did work with the 91 Seville though. Bob B At 08:52 AM 3/30/2000 -0700, you wrote: >A buddy of mine just sent me this link this morning where you can get a >carfax VIN check report for free if you fill out a little survey (4 >questions, 3 moto-choi). It's an abbreviated report, mainly just a title >and odometer check. It accurately reported my Disco and D90 as clean with >correct title history, and CDN D110 15/25 as having a salvaged title issued >in Quebec 3/7/97. Side bonus, if you keep VINs of cars you've owned in the >past, you can see where they ended up! :^) > >Pretty cool. Run your rig at: > >http://www.carfax.com/free > >-Dave G. >PS - Bill Ritchie, do you get additional info with the paid subscription? I >thought the main site made it look like dealer service records were also >available. What all is in a complete, paid-for report? Have you found your >subscription to be valuable? > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 30 13:37:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27391 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:37:25 -0500 Message-ID: <38E384FA.1860C1EB@wenet.net> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 08:46:50 -0800 From: "Bruce R. Bonar" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Another question... References: <20000329.230709.-177015.41.cirvin1258@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, You haven't missed it yet. The last weekend in April as always. April 28,29,30. Cedar Camp, Mendocino NF. On M5. Bruce Charles R Irvin wrote: > Since I'm NOT going anywhere out of the country anymore, what's the story > on a Mendo Rallye/Not-A-Rallye, such as the one I arrived at during the > last minutes last April??? (Cedar Camp, I believe it was) > > Is there one? > > If so - did I miss it yet?? From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 30 13:50:45 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27445 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:50:45 -0500 From: "Paul Archibald" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org, "Bruce R. Bonar" Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:57:12 GMT Subject: missing Mendo Re: Another question... X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <38e38768.5d3d.0@jps.net> X-User-Info: 216.49.48.59 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Charles, >You haven't missed it yet. The last weekend in April as always. April >28,29,30. Cedar Camp, Mendocino NF. On M5. *%&$# I knew there was a reason I wanted to be back from my vacation. I'll still be in Paris where there are no land-rovers...not that I won't enjoy ;-) man! I've managed to miss most of them so far, and last year almost didn't count as I was a passenger.. Paul From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 30 15:25:20 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27573 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:25:20 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 10:21:09 -0800 Subject: Re: missing Mendo Re: Another question... Message-ID: <20000330.103116.-154907.2.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-28 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks Granny! Paul - do what I did: flag down a Defender TD-5 on the street, and talk the owner into letting you drive it around the block!!!!! (it worked in Belgium) Charles On Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:57:12 GMT "Paul Archibald" writes: > >Charles, > >You haven't missed it yet. The last weekend in April as always. > April > >28,29,30. Cedar Camp, Mendocino NF. On M5. > > *%&$# I knew there was a reason I wanted to be back from my > vacation. I'll still > be in Paris where there are no land-rovers...not that I won't enjoy > ;-) > man! I've managed to miss most of them so far, and last year almost > didn't count > as I was a passenger.. > > > Paul "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 30 15:28:57 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27583 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:28:57 -0500 Message-ID: <38E39C53.7A87905A@frontier.net> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:26:27 -0700 From: Thomas Joyner Organization: FITA de Mexico X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mendo List Subject: Wheels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Does anyone think that Hammerite paint would not be a good choice to paint a set of Disco wheels black with? Tom 88 RR PS Michael Slade: What is the actual tread and sectional width of those super swampers you have? From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 30 15:37:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27608 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:37:29 -0500 From: "Paul Archibald" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org, Charles R Irvin Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:43:55 GMT Subject: Re: missing Mendo Re: Another question... X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <38e3a06b.43cf.0@jps.net> X-User-Info: 216.49.48.59 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Thanks Granny! > >Paul - do what I did: flag down a Defender TD-5 on the street, and talk >the owner into letting you drive it around the block!!!!! (it worked in >Belgium) worth a shot! ;-) I'd been warned that any landies are rare in France esp in the big town! I'm looking foreward to meeting my dad's cousin who lives outside Paris, as her husband has a lagonda. Apparently they chose to sell their place in Paris, buy in the country and spend the rest of the money on the car. Looking foreward to driving that! Paul From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 30 16:18:47 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27657 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:18:47 -0500 From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Pershing's winch cable (how long?) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:37:27 -0800 Message-ID: <001e01bf9a7f$61e0a6a0$ae051fd1@BlairPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Paul, Haven't made it to the rigging loft yet-- about 10 days ago the exhaust pipe decided to separate from the muffler (33yrs' of corrosion). Due to the din, the 109 has been parked (general ugly noise when accelerating, but under compression, the old 2.25l sounds REALLY cool!). Once I get it replaced, I'll let you know. Will probably make some more tow cables/chokers out of the salvageable lengths of old cable (thimble and sliced eye on each end). Cheers. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 30 16:31:54 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27680 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:31:54 -0500 From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: big morning for sightings Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:50:32 -0800 Message-ID: <002201bf9a81$374fd260$ae051fd1@BlairPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org About 30 seconds after waving to Kevin K in his Rangie going the other way on the GG Bridge this AM, I got a partial sighting of what looked like a 110 (non-NAS? maybe it was SIII 109?) painted in a two-tone yellow-blue with lots of promotional graphics. Went by too fast to be sure, but it almost looked stretched --130? Then, on Marina Blvd I saw a parked SIII 109 regular with similar livery-- something about sailboats??? Parked right where I used to often see a beige IIA 109 wagon (on this list? Bob?). Across the street from Miles M's Disco... Cheers. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 30 16:38:15 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27722 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:38:15 -0500 Message-ID: <006d01bf9a7f$f0cdb380$bb4c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "PeterHope" To: "Land Rover Digest" , References: <001e01bf9a7f$61e0a6a0$ae051fd1@BlairPC> Subject: Winch cable length Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 09:41:27 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Aloha, Sorry for the cross post but seems like there has been a lot of traffic about winch cables lately, some great info. Was wondering... The winch is strongest on the first wrap. Thicker cable is stronger than thin. Should I load my Koenig with the thickest cable, reasonably possible (not going to use that 1.5" stuff tank recovery vehicles use, with the 25lb hook) and also have made up a couple of ... extenders I guess, with the same size cable? I know this means needing a place to store the extra cable and that isn't an issue. What I am thinking is about 80-100 foot of cable on the drum, and then maybe (3) 30 footers. Stock is 150' of 5/16" cable. With the extenders, what would be safer and stronger, eye loops on each end and use shackles to join, or hook ends? Of course the other thing is, with the way the Koenig is designed, the only thing that limits the amount of cable on the drum is the winch mount. Do nylon tree saver straps have much stretch in them? If not, then could I replace cable extenders with 20-30k test straps with loop ends? Thanks again Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 30 17:15:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27782 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:15:00 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:47:06 -0800 Subject: Re: Wheels Message-ID: <20000330.122054.-154907.5.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-5,8-11,13-28 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Tom, I painted a set of TR-4 wheels with the stuff: everything has gotta be as clean as can be, for it to last. But, a cat still made its mark on one of them. Paint would be good if you're gonna off-road the truck (easy to fix scratches in the finish), but if they're never getting dirty, I'd powdercoat them. Charles On Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:26:27 -0700 Thomas Joyner writes: > Does anyone think that Hammerite paint would not be a good choice to > paint a set of Disco wheels black with? > > Tom > 88 RR > > PS Michael Slade: What is the actual tread and sectional width of > those > super swampers you have? > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 30 17:15:14 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27792 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:15:14 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:50:33 -0800 Subject: Re: missing Mendo Re: Another question... Message-ID: <20000330.122054.-154907.6.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-32 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Paul, don't get your hopes down so fast: I was told the same thing about Brussels, yet in one day, I saw 3 Freelanders, 8 Defenders, and 2 Series! (and more 8-series BMW coupes than I've ever seen on a showroom floor!) Charles On Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:43:55 GMT "Paul Archibald" writes: > >Thanks Granny! > > > >Paul - do what I did: flag down a Defender TD-5 on the street, and > talk > >the owner into letting you drive it around the block!!!!! (it > worked in > >Belgium) > worth a shot! ;-) > I'd been warned that any landies are rare in France esp in the big > town! > I'm looking foreward to meeting my dad's cousin who lives outside > Paris, as > her husband has a lagonda. Apparently they chose to sell their place > in Paris, > buy in the country and spend the rest of the money on the car. > Looking foreward > to driving that! > > Paul "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 30 17:17:43 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27802 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:17:43 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:24:31 -0800 Subject: Re: big morning for sightings Message-ID: <20000330.122433.-154907.8.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,6-9,11-36 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Blair, I was told by Peter Petrov (Pete's Marina Motors, in Venice), that there's supposed to be either a D-110, or a D-130 (he wasn't sure), that's travelling around the world - it's supposed to have recently arrived in California from Hawaii, though it hasn't been spotted down here yet. Charles On Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:50:32 -0800 "Blair Peterson" writes: > About 30 seconds after waving to Kevin K in his Rangie going the > other way > on the GG Bridge this AM, I got a partial sighting of what looked > like a 110 > (non-NAS? maybe it was SIII 109?) painted in a two-tone yellow-blue > with > lots of promotional graphics. Went by too fast to be sure, but it > almost > looked stretched --130? > > Then, on Marina Blvd I saw a parked SIII 109 regular with similar > livery-- > something about sailboats??? Parked right where I used to often see > a beige > IIA 109 wagon (on this list? Bob?). Across the street from Miles > M's > Disco... > > Cheers. > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 30 17:41:28 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27889 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:41:28 -0500 From: "Paul Archibald" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:47:53 GMT Subject: Re: missing Mendo Re: Another question... X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <38e3bd79.3665.0@jps.net> X-User-Info: 216.49.48.59 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Paul, > >don't get your hopes down so fast: I was told the same thing about >Brussels, yet in one day, I saw 3 Freelanders, 8 Defenders, and 2 Series! >(and more 8-series BMW coupes than I've ever seen on a showroom floor!) > >Charles that's good to hear as I'll be there for ~2 weeks ;-) ample time to see all sorts of things. I'll have to try to find the Paris LR dealer and beg for brochures for Gerry, John and others who may want them. remember the word try! Paul From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 30 17:50:31 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27911 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:50:31 -0500 From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: Winch cable length Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:56:51 -0800 Message-ID: <000501bf9a8a$795bffe0$9672a8c0@gbp.dot.co.mendocino.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Pete was wondering: > Do nylon tree saver straps have much stretch in them? If not, then could > I replace cable extenders with 20-30k test straps with loop ends? I have been following two simultaneous winch cable threads, one on the mendo list and one on the Ibex list. On the Ibex list, there has been considerable discussion about a polymeric winch cable called AmSteel Blue. Supposedly has about the same strength per diameter as steel cable and is a lot lighter, more kink resistant, less fussy about how its spooled on. All hearsay, mind, as I've not seen this stuff meself. Doug Aitken mentioned that it was also discussed on the D90 list and that Bill Burke uses it. Anyone on this list familiar with it? Some concerns about its ability to resist rock abrasions so might not be the cable of choice for spooling onto the winch but might be pretty good bet for extenders, eh? Supposedly it does not have appreciable stretch and if it were to break, it's supposed to just drop, not fly. Would certainly be less hazardous to handle. The manufacturer's web page for the product is http://www.theamericangroup.com/test/default.htm I have bookmarks at home for some other rigging pages that tell more about it for winch cable applications. But I can't seem to find them here at work. One had pricing for both winch cable lengths and extender lengths. Oh well. Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 30 17:55:06 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27921 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:55:06 -0500 Message-ID: <00aa01bf9a8a$b0cdb9a0$bb4c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "PeterHope" To: References: <000501bf9a8a$795bffe0$9672a8c0@gbp.dot.co.mendocino.ca.us> Subject: Re: Winch cable length Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 10:58:24 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > list and one on the Ibex list. On the Ibex list, there has been > considerable discussion about a polymeric winch cable called AmSteel Blue. > hazardous to handle. The manufacturer's web page for the product is > http://www.theamericangroup.com/test/default.htm > Here is another link for another company that offers the stuff http://www.masterpull.com/ there was also an article recently in LRM about the rope. I am planning on using it myself. Suposedly has not stretch at all, so when it breaks it just drops to the ground. Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 30 18:03:01 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27935 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:03:01 -0500 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: <70.205f96d.26151c64@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:08:52 EST Subject: Re: missing Mendo Re: Another question... To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 77 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/30/00 1:49:28 PM US Mountain Standard Time, paarch@jps.net writes: << brochures >> You mis-spelled that... bulkhead! :-) Have fun! Gerry From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 30 18:07:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27949 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:07:08 -0500 Message-ID: <38E3BF36.D2B57965@frontier.net> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:55:19 -0700 From: Thomas Joyner Organization: FITA de Mexico X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mendo List Subject: Headlight connectors Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Joe, Thanks for the info! Tom From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 30 18:07:30 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27959 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:07:30 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CD930@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Re: Winch cable length Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:17:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org There was some discussion on the D90 list about AmSteel Blue cable. I think Bill Burke tested it for awhile. I don't see anything on his site yet, but I'm sure he'd share his experience with anyone interested if you e-mail him at bill@bb4wa.com -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 30 18:23:55 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27974 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:23:55 -0500 Message-ID: <38E3C689.6D6978E6@frontier.net> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:26:34 -0700 From: Thomas Joyner Organization: FITA de Mexico X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mendo List Subject: Carfax - 110's from canada1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org David, "and CDN D110 15/25 as having a salvaged title issued in Quebec 3/7/97." $35,900 seems awfully steep for a salvaged vehicle, no? Tom From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 30 18:38:59 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28007 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:38:59 -0500 Message-ID: <38E3CB34.2A3DB679@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:46:28 -0800 From: "Franklin H. Yap" X-Sender: "Franklin H. Yap" <@mail.earthlink.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-FLASHNET (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: missing Mendo Re: Another question... References: <20000330.122054.-154907.6.cirvin1258@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles R Irvin wrote: > > don't get your hopes down so fast: I was told the same thing about > Brussels, yet in one day, I saw 3 Freelanders, 8 Defenders, and 2 Series! > (and more 8-series BMW coupes than I've ever seen on a showroom floor!) > ... > > I'd been warned that any landies are rare in France esp in the big > > town! There must be a few LRs in France .. at least to justify putting out a decent LR mag. Frank From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 30 18:50:16 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28020 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:50:16 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CD931@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Carfax - 110's from canada1 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:00:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Tom sez: "....$35,900 seems awfully steep for a salvaged vehicle, no?...." Well, that depends. If it's had a good job of rebuilding done, no reason why it shouldn't command a price similar to other NAS 110s in similar condition and mileage. I'd think there would be some discount of the price due to the "chequered past" but, if it's been rebuilt well, then 36k might be a fair dealer-price. There sure are NAS 110s going for more. I'm not in the market, or connected with the vehicle or the dealer in any way. I just don't think a salvaged title is the end of the world (my 109 has one). As long as the dealer is fairly representing the vehicle and selling it for what it is, ie not trying to pass it off as just a bargain on a NAS 110, I don't see any problem with it. But, it does show you that the prices these vehicles are commanding can sure cause people to go to great lengths to buy/sell one. -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 30 18:54:11 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28031 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:54:11 -0500 From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: Winch cable Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:00:38 -0800 Message-ID: <000601bf9a93$62a65080$9672a8c0@gbp.dot.co.mendocino.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Pete wrote: Here is another link for another company that offers the stuff http://www.masterpull.com/ Yeah, that's the one for which I was looking--Thanks! Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 30 19:06:50 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28046 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 19:06:50 -0500 To: lro@playground.sun.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org, british-cars@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:12:20 -0800 Subject: Two Land Rovers for sale... Message-ID: <20000330.141221.-154907.15.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4,8-9,13-14,17-18,22-31 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've been forgetting to post these... Steve @ British Car Service in Marina Del Rey, Ca., is putting these up for sale: 1960 Series II SWB, approx. 50,000 original miles, two-owner vehicle. It's Steve's shop truck (was replaced with something else) Safari top, 16-inch wheels, full-time hubs, looks like it's a Station Wagon. Good frame (has had a crossmember replacement, I think). Bad parts: the bulkhead has holes in it at the bottoms of the door posts (inner), on the footwells, and one spot inside the engine bay, above the voltage regulator, and it NEEDS a clutch (can't be driven). On the other hand, the engine runs very smooth. He's asking $5000 for the truck as-is, $5500 if he puts a new clutch in it. If you're looking for something that can be easily repaired but doesn't need to be torn apart, this is a good one. He also has a Discovery - year unknown - 70,000 miles on it, 5-speed, black/grey cloth interior (if I remember correctly). Asking price is $13,000. While he does salvage trucks, I'm not sure if this Disco has a salvage title, or not. (I haven't seen one in his shop for about a year) He can be found at 310-306-6109 - usual disclaimers apply. Charles "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 30 20:22:02 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28139 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:22:02 -0500 Message-ID: <20000330232827.27614.qmail@web704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:28:27 -0800 (PST) From: KC Subject: Re: winch - wire rope To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > What I had always wondered from the first time I read about winching in a > 4x4 rag as a kid was exactly that. The simple solution i came up at the > time, with being the paranoid one I am, was to plan on having a scrap of > carpet/blanket with a rope attached that would be used to reposition the > carpet....say a twenty foor length or rope attached to a 4x6 scrap of > carpet I assume you mean the rope is tied to the blanket and then to the vehicle begin extracted, so that the blanket/tarp object is always in the same position relative to the exactracting vehicle. I assume another easy trick would be to tie a good slip-knot about 10' onto the wire rope and to the car being extracted so that if the cable breaks at the extracting vehicle end (most likely, right?), the knot will self tighten onto the wire rope preventing it from flying. Of course, the section from the extracting vehicle and knot would still fly, but should be dramatically slowed and stopped quickly since there is much less inertia, and prevent an unwanted flying object. The rope could break, but a decent nylon rope should be able to handle this force. At the least, the rope is a dynamic back up system so it should absorb much shock-force slowing things things. My thoughts--anyone tried these systems? KC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 30 22:23:51 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28378 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:23:51 -0500 Message-ID: <38E40058.C1511113@wenet.net> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:33:12 -0800 From: "Bruce R. Bonar" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: winch - wire rope References: <20000328044251.NTIU5721.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> <38E164F7.1532BE56@wenet.net> <38E2E33B.A7CE3DA6@slip.net> <002e01bf9a0e$e3925160$463377d8@delllap> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Paul Archibald wrote: > Out of curiosity, has there been any count of cable breakages to determinw > whether the cable routinely brakes at either end or center? From the > stories I have heard, it appears that there is more strain at the far end > and the cables usually come back at the winching vehicle. The weakest point is usually where the eye is formed in the end of the wire rope to attach the hook or shackle. A wire rope pulled in a straight line is always stronger than one that has anysort of angle in it. Just wrapping it around the drum reduces the strength dramatically. So logically a break will almost always occur at the connection to hardware or where the wire rope is bent around a snatch block/pulley or drum. This is unless it has been previously kinked or broken. The strain is equal at all points on the cable, the question is where is the weakest "link". > Another reason to have the longer, stronger cable(sorry, wire rope!) and use > the ol' large 8"? pulley to half the pulling force. Yup, that 8" snatch block is a good idea. The larger diameter the better. Don forget though that doubling the number of lines will effectively double the pulling power of your winch. Not on the wire rope but on whatever is used to hold the pulley to the anchor point. Bruce From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 30 22:47:18 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28427 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:47:18 -0500 Message-ID: <38E405D8.57E8E3D9@wenet.net> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:56:41 -0800 From: "Bruce R. Bonar" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org CC: Land Rover Digest Subject: Re: Winch cable length References: <001e01bf9a7f$61e0a6a0$ae051fd1@BlairPC> <006d01bf9a7f$f0cdb380$bb4c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org PeterHope wrote: > Was wondering... > Should I load my Koenig with the thickest cable, reasonably possible ... > and also have made up a couple of ... extenders I guess, with the same size > cable? Yes. But I'd recommend nylon slings rather than wire rope extenders. > What I am thinking is about 80-100 foot of cable on the drum, and then > maybe (3) 30 footers. Stock is 150' of 5/16" cable.With the extenders, what > would be safer and stronger, eye loops on each end and use shackles to join, > or hook ends? You have to have an eye for either a hook or shackle. If you just have an eye, with a thimble of course, and shackle you can replace the hook without re-doing the wire rope. > Do nylon tree saver straps have much stretch in them? No. Some but not much. > If not, then could I > replace cable extenders with 20-30k test straps with loop ends? Yes. I've replaced the stock 5/16" with 91 feet of 3/8" on my xd9000i. I carry 3 very high quality nylon slings, of different lengths, with eye ends for extending the winch line. The 2" wide slings are rated at almost twice the strength of the 3/8" wire rope. Bruce From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 30 23:03:20 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28460 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 23:03:20 -0500 Message-ID: <38E408E3.DA00448E@slip.net> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:09:40 -0800 From: "Miles M." Organization: Mulcare & Asso. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: NCRC References: <200003301743.MAA27252@guinness.ovlr.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Are there any NCRC events coming up? If anyone would not mind e-mailing me directly I would really appreciate it. MILES From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 31 00:22:22 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01623 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 00:22:22 -0500 From: "Worldwide Rovers" To: Subject: changing a fuel filter Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 19:23:52 -0800 Message-ID: <000901bf9ac0$89de2a60$c52d0dce@com.humboldt1.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200003301743.MAA27252@guinness.ovlr.org> Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Karen Sindir wrote about changing a fuel filter in her Disco; Left the pressure out of the gas tank by unscrewing the gas cap and it is a simple replacement after that (at least on a Range Rover). Just replaced mine. Clark Bowen From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 31 02:54:50 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01824 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 02:54:50 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: changing a fuel filter Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:11:14 -0800 Message-ID: <000001bf9ad7$eb592f80$5005193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000901bf9ac0$89de2a60$c52d0dce@com.humboldt1.com> Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org You are suppose to pull the fuel pump relay and run the engine until the pressure is down. It's not good to spray fuel at 43 psi.... Kelly Minnick > > > Karen Sindir wrote about changing a fuel filter in her Disco; > > Left the pressure out of the gas tank by unscrewing the gas cap > and it is a > simple replacement after that (at least on a Range Rover). Just replaced > mine. > > Clark Bowen > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 31 12:27:18 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02691 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:27:18 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 07:40:06 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: john hess Subject: Re: Picnic Day at UC Davis Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >John Hess wrote: > ><< April 15 is Picnic Day on the UCD campus. Generally weird day, with > a parade in the AM, different events all day long and adequate > opportunities to spend money on food or drink. >> > >Do they still have the dachshund races and the President of the U of Davis >milking a cow? (Munir (my husband) and I are both grads of the engineering >graduate school there). > Yep. In fact, a whole range of doggie things have sprung up. Dachshund racing in the rec hall, jack russell terrier racing by the dorms, sheep dog trials on the main IM fields, and lots of dog breed exhibits around. cheers, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 31 10:59:52 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02866 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:59:52 -0500 From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: lousy breakover angle Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 08:12:07 -0800 Message-ID: <001601bf9b2b$dd4a5b40$ae051fd1@BlairPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ok, Saw it again (last night and this AM) and can confirm the stretch.. the "110" (130+?) has three passenger doors down each side, a pto winch up front, and is registered with one of those temporary red slips taped inside the rear window with a number 4 on it. It and the SIII in the same livery are advertising "sailingbillboards.com". Both were parked along Marina Blvd in SF this morning. Cheers. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 31 11:01:03 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02876 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:01:03 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CD935@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: changing a fuel filter Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:04:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...You are suppose to pull the fuel pump relay..." Or just roll the truck over. The fuel cut off will stop the pump, and when the engine dies, the upside down truck will make it easy to get at the filter, too! -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 31 12:43:49 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03040 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:43:49 -0500 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:33:43 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: Mendo list Subject: BP's deal of the day Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org New Genuine 2.25 Long Block Factory Rebuilt Engines RTC2352E We recently had the good fortune of being able to buy some unclaimed freight from a consolidator, which included the find shown above. It's a genuine, factory rebuilt 2.25 long block, with cylinder heads already prepared for unleaded fuel. We got 'em at a great price, but we had to buy the whole lot (23), and now we are up to our eyeballs in engines. We've got to move these things outta here, so here's a deal simply too good to be true! $400 each no exchange required, shipped common carrier From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 31 12:53:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03068 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:53:37 -0500 Message-id: <1000331095145.59d57d4.26f36e02.ASIP6.2b6.95658@smtp.pvr.com> Subject: Re: big morning for sightings Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:52:43 -0800 x-sender: frey@smtp.pvr.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Bob Frey To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org on 3/30/00 11:50 AM Blair Peterson wrote: >Then, on Marina Blvd I saw a parked SIII 109 regular with similar livery-- >something about sailboats??? Parked right where I used to often see a beige >IIA 109 wagon (on this list? Bob?). Across the street from Miles M's >Disco... See the pictures at http://www.sailingbillboards.com/bios/rover.html A very cool stretched seven door 130! Rovers as outdoor advertising? Bob Frey From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 31 13:09:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03082 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:09:08 -0500 Message-id: <1000331100745.59e396b.26f36e02.ASIP6.2b6.95787@smtp.pvr.com> Subject: Re: BP's deal of the day Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:08:43 -0800 x-sender: frey@smtp.pvr.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Bob Frey To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org on 3/31/00 9:33 AM James Howard wrote: >New Genuine 2.25 Long Block >Factory Rebuilt Engines RTC2352E >We recently had the good fortune of being able to buy some unclaimed >freight from a consolidator, which included the find shown above. It's a >genuine, factory rebuilt 2.25 long block, with cylinder heads already >prepared for unleaded fuel. We got 'em at a great price, but we had to buy >the whole lot (23), and now we are up to our eyeballs in engines. We've >got to move these things outta here, so here's a deal simply too good to >be true! > > $400 each > no exchange required, shipped common carrier It certainly had me going for awhile... before I noticed tomorrows date! Bob Frey From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 31 13:11:15 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03093 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:11:15 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:05:21 -0800 Subject: Re: BP's deal of the day Message-ID: <20000331.100522.-154907.27.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-7,9-38 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I haven't called yet, BUT... seeing how today's 31 March, I'd be a bit skeptical... BUT - it doesn't hurt to call and ask. Charles On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:33:43 -0700 (MST) James Howard writes: > > New Genuine 2.25 Long Block > Factory Rebuilt Engines > > > > RTC2352E > > We recently had the good fortune of being able to buy some unclaimed > freight from a consolidator, which included the find shown above. > It's a > genuine, factory rebuilt 2.25 long block, with cylinder heads > already > prepared for unleaded fuel. We got 'em at a great price, but we had > to buy > the whole lot (23), and now we are up to our eyeballs in engines. > We've > got to move these things outta here, so here's a deal simply too > good to > be true! > > $400 each > no exchange required, shipped common carrier > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 31 13:16:49 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03103 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:16:49 -0500 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:16:45 -0800 (PST) From: john hess To: Mendo list Subject: Re: BP's deal of the day In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I called. A deal to good to be true. and at the very bottom it says April fool's. cheers, On Fri, 31 Mar 2000, James Howard wrote: > > New Genuine 2.25 Long Block > Factory Rebuilt Engines > > > > RTC2352E > > We recently had the good fortune of being able to buy some unclaimed > freight from a consolidator, which included the find shown above. It's a > genuine, factory rebuilt 2.25 long block, with cylinder heads already > prepared for unleaded fuel. We got 'em at a great price, but we had to buy > the whole lot (23), and now we are up to our eyeballs in engines. We've > got to move these things outta here, so here's a deal simply too good to > be true! > > $400 each > no exchange required, shipped common carrier > > john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 31 13:19:32 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03121 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:19:32 -0500 From: "Paul Archibald" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 18:19:30 GMT Subject: Re: BP's deal of the day X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <38e4ec32.3ed0.0@jps.net> X-User-Info: 216.49.48.59 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sooo...has anyone called in to BP? They usually have a good one on april 1 ;-),remember the 101FC? and it really is a deal too good to be true...stated in the text. Too bad. >>We recently had the good fortune of being able to buy some unclaimed >>freight from a consolidator, which included the find shown above. It's a >>genuine, factory rebuilt 2.25 long block, with cylinder heads already >>prepared for unleaded fuel. We got 'em at a great price, but we had to buy >>the whole lot (23), and now we are up to our eyeballs in engines. We've >>got to move these things outta here, so here's a deal simply too good to >>be true! >> >> $400 each >> no exchange required, shipped common carrier > >It certainly had me going for awhile... before I noticed tomorrows date! From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 31 13:27:40 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03136 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:27:40 -0500 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:17:34 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: Mendo list Subject: Re: BP's deal of the day In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I called, after checking my bank account and calling Kelly to let her know about it. Boy, did I feel foolish. They said they had 15 calls so far, and that was at 9:45. I bet it will be a long day for them What threw me off was that tomorrow is April Fools, so my guard was down. But, they aren't going to be there tomorrow. James On Fri, 31 Mar 2000, john hess wrote: > > I called. > > A deal to good to be true. > > and at the very bottom it says April fool's. > > > cheers, > On Fri, 31 Mar 2000, James Howard wrote: > > > > > New Genuine 2.25 Long Block > > Factory Rebuilt Engines > > > > > > > > RTC2352E > > > > We recently had the good fortune of being able to buy some unclaimed > > freight from a consolidator, which included the find shown above. It's a > > genuine, factory rebuilt 2.25 long block, with cylinder heads already > > prepared for unleaded fuel. We got 'em at a great price, but we had to buy > > the whole lot (23), and now we are up to our eyeballs in engines. We've > > got to move these things outta here, so here's a deal simply too good to > > be true! > > > > $400 each > > no exchange required, shipped common carrier > > > > > > john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us > Dormie web pages at > http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 31 13:31:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03149 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:31:00 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:25:25 -0800 Subject: Re: BP's deal of the day Message-ID: <20000331.102527.-154907.30.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-41 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well...I just called Keith: Unfortunately - they only have petrol engines - 10 left! (I thought it was a joke - apparently not!) Damn...no diesels. Charles On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:08:43 -0800 Bob Frey writes: > on 3/31/00 9:33 AM James Howard wrote: > > >New Genuine 2.25 Long Block > >Factory Rebuilt Engines > RTC2352E > >We recently had the good fortune of being able to buy some > unclaimed > >freight from a consolidator, which included the find shown above. > It's a > >genuine, factory rebuilt 2.25 long block, with cylinder heads > already > >prepared for unleaded fuel. We got 'em at a great price, but we had > to buy > >the whole lot (23), and now we are up to our eyeballs in engines. > We've > >got to move these things outta here, so here's a deal simply too > good to > >be true! > > > > $400 each > > no exchange required, shipped common carrier > > It certainly had me going for awhile... before I noticed tomorrows > date! > > Bob Frey > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 31 13:32:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03159 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:32:08 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000331102908.007a8c90@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:29:08 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: BP's deal of the day In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Geeze! April fool! I thought about getting one even though I already have two extra engines. Bob B At 10:33 AM 3/31/2000 -0700, you wrote: > >New Genuine 2.25 Long Block >Factory Rebuilt Engines > > > > RTC2352E > >We recently had the good fortune of being able to buy some unclaimed >freight from a consolidator, which included the find shown above. It's a >genuine, factory rebuilt 2.25 long block, with cylinder heads already >prepared for unleaded fuel. We got 'em at a great price, but we had to buy >the whole lot (23), and now we are up to our eyeballs in engines. We've >got to move these things outta here, so here's a deal simply too good to >be true! > > $400 each > no exchange required, shipped common carrier > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 31 13:53:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03175 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:53:29 -0500 Message-ID: <006101bf9b32$9293e7e0$cb4b0740@baggarly.com> From: "Nick C. Baggarly" To: References: <20000331.102527.-154907.30.cirvin1258@juno.com> Subject: Re: BP's deal of the day Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:00:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Oh what troubled times are these when April fools tricks take place on March 31. I had the phone in my hand. Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles R Irvin To: Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 12:25 PM Subject: Re: BP's deal of the day > Well...I just called Keith: > > Unfortunately - they only have petrol engines - 10 left! (I thought it > was a joke - apparently not!) > > Damn...no diesels. > > Charles > > On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:08:43 -0800 Bob Frey writes: > > on 3/31/00 9:33 AM James Howard wrote: > > > > >New Genuine 2.25 Long Block > > >Factory Rebuilt Engines > > RTC2352E > > >We recently had the good fortune of being able to buy some > > unclaimed > > >freight from a consolidator, which included the find shown above. > > It's a > > >genuine, factory rebuilt 2.25 long block, with cylinder heads > > already > > >prepared for unleaded fuel. We got 'em at a great price, but we had > > to buy > > >the whole lot (23), and now we are up to our eyeballs in engines. > > We've > > >got to move these things outta here, so here's a deal simply too > > good to > > >be true! > > > > > > $400 each > > > no exchange required, shipped common carrier > > > > It certainly had me going for awhile... before I noticed tomorrows > > date! > > > > Bob Frey > > > > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, > where all the women are strong, > all the men are good-looking, > and all the children, are above average." > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 31 13:59:50 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03194 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:59:50 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000331105651.00892d50@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:56:51 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: BP's deal of the day In-Reply-To: <20000331.102527.-154907.30.cirvin1258@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org NO, I won't bite twice! Thanks anyway. Could it be true 10 left??? Bob B At 10:25 AM 3/31/2000 -0800, you wrote: >Well...I just called Keith: > >Unfortunately - they only have petrol engines - 10 left! (I thought it >was a joke - apparently not!) > >Damn...no diesels. > >Charles > >On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:08:43 -0800 Bob Frey writes: >> on 3/31/00 9:33 AM James Howard wrote: >> >> >New Genuine 2.25 Long Block >> >Factory Rebuilt Engines >> RTC2352E >> >We recently had the good fortune of being able to buy some >> unclaimed >> >freight from a consolidator, which included the find shown above. >> It's a >> >genuine, factory rebuilt 2.25 long block, with cylinder heads >> already >> >prepared for unleaded fuel. We got 'em at a great price, but we had >> to buy >> >the whole lot (23), and now we are up to our eyeballs in engines. >> We've >> >got to move these things outta here, so here's a deal simply too >> good to >> >be true! >> > >> > $400 each >> > no exchange required, shipped common carrier >> >> It certainly had me going for awhile... before I noticed tomorrows >> date! >> >> Bob Frey >> > >"...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, >where all the women are strong, >all the men are good-looking, >and all the children, are above average." > >________________________________________________________________ >YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! >Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! >Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 31 14:37:12 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03222 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:37:12 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CD93D@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo'" Subject: RE: BP's deal of the day Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:40:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Apparently, "BP means Bamboozled Patrons" At least once a year! :^) -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 31 15:25:02 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03245 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 15:25:02 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CD93F@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo'" Subject: RE: Desolving the built up gunk; was: V8 3.5 vs V8 3.9 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:28:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ".....Does anyone on the list know if this a better way to dissolve that built up gunk than using an additive like Marvel Mystery oil or any of the newer engine cleaning/tune-up additives/solvents?....." My only .02 is go as MILD AS POSSIBLE on the cleaner. I have a buddy who put a can of one of those additives in (he's not here right now to ask which one) that's supposed to make the insides all spiffy again.......He had problems with sticky lifters and iffy oil pressure for 6 mo while all the loosened up gunk made it's way through the system. He kicked himself the whole time as the motor was fine before he'd decided to "clean it out"! I like the idea of just subbing in a half a quart or so of ATF at oil changes, but I've never done it on a Land Rover. One of these days I'm going to pour some ATF and some engine oil into a cup on the bench and see how well they mix. The only thing I wonder about with adding ATF to the sump is if the car sits for a week, is there a "bolus" of ATF at the bottom of the pan so when I go to start it, it's running on pure ATF at first??? I don't know. Maybe Kelly M. does. I think he does this. -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 31 16:34:03 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03365 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:34:03 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000331133100.008911f0@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:31:00 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: RE: Desolving the built up gunk; was: V8 3.5 vs V8 3.9 In-Reply-To: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CD93F@RCEXS2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All I can say is don't try to disolve the sludge in a Ford V8 such as 302 etc. If a piece of sludge falls loose in the oil pickup tube, it will stall the oil pump and twist the oil pump drive shaft off. Then it's bye-bye small block! I've seen it twice recently. GM's have a much stronger drive to the oil pump and probably would do OK. Bob B At 01:28 PM 3/31/2000 -0700, you wrote: >".....Does anyone on the list know if this a better way to dissolve that >built up >gunk than using an additive like Marvel Mystery oil or any of the newer >engine cleaning/tune-up additives/solvents?....." > >My only .02 is go as MILD AS POSSIBLE on the cleaner. I have a buddy who >put a can of one of those additives in (he's not here right now to ask which >one) that's supposed to make the insides all spiffy again.......He had >problems with sticky lifters and iffy oil pressure for 6 mo while all the >loosened up gunk made it's way through the system. He kicked himself the >whole time as the motor was fine before he'd decided to "clean it out"! > >I like the idea of just subbing in a half a quart or so of ATF at oil >changes, but I've never done it on a Land Rover. One of these days I'm >going to pour some ATF and some engine oil into a cup on the bench and see >how well they mix. The only thing I wonder about with adding ATF to the >sump is if the car sits for a week, is there a "bolus" of ATF at the bottom >of the pan so when I go to start it, it's running on pure ATF at first??? I >don't know. Maybe Kelly M. does. I think he does this. > >-Dave G. > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 31 16:45:32 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03378 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:45:32 -0500 From: "Paul Archibald" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 21:45:30 GMT Subject: RE: Desolving the built up gunk; was: V8 3.5 vs V8 3.9 X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <38e51c7a.7683.0@jps.net> X-User-Info: 216.49.48.59 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >".....Does anyone on the list know if this a better way to dissolve that >built up >gunk than using an additive like Marvel Mystery oil or any of the newer >engine cleaning/tune-up additives/solvents?....." I've had real good luck with a coupla of the oil-change cleaners. No downsides yet..in the series, rangie, jimmy, blazer. I was ablout to do it in the audi tonight actually as it has lifter noise at start-up...the trick I did was to run the engine hot(driveing home from work in traffic usually works) than pull into the drive, add the quart of cleaner(shut off engine first), idle for five minutes, shut down and drain oil. Now my trick, was to than put in cheapo oil and run it for a week, than drain and put in some castrol gtx. I don't really know if flushing out any residual crap with the cheapo oil really helped, but it makes fe feel berrer and only cost a few dollars more. >sump is if the car sits for a week, is there a "bolus" of ATF at the bottom >of the pan so when I go to start it, it's running on pure ATF at first??? I >don't know. Maybe Kelly M. does. I think he does this. ....and what's wrong with that? It's still a lubricant, right? I'd been wondering about this myself actually,as after warm-up the regular oil will be already circulating, so all should be cool! You shouldn't really have much gunk build-up in that disco with low miles, so I don't think you will have anything to worry about! What I heard caused problems was in high mileage abused engines that were run through the de-gunking and there was so much crap loosened up that it caused all sorts of problems. One guy even claimed it caused the crank/cam journals to get clogged and spun the bearings(In a grand wagoneer, and they had issues as far as I am concerned, remember my comments from last year?) ...basicly it's a maintenance issue, not a quick fix for a problem engine... ..oh, yeah! The marvel mystery oil works just as good, and it smells better... Paul From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 31 16:45:53 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03388 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:45:53 -0500 Message-ID: <38E51D42.939D8729@wenet.net> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:48:50 -0800 From: "Bruce R. Bonar" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: NCRC References: <200003301743.MAA27252@guinness.ovlr.org> <38E408E3.DA00448E@slip.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Miles, Check out the club webpage or your most recent newsletter. You missed the snow run last weekend. The next event is the Joe Lucas Mendo Rally which is not a NCRC event but it's THE place to be. The next Club run is the Rubicon June 23. Next is the expedition trip to the Kalimopis Wilderness and Syskiyou Mts with the Pacific Coast Rover Club July 1-July5. http://www.roverstuff.com/ncrc/ Bruce "Miles M." wrote: > Are there any NCRC events coming up? If anyone would not mind e-mailing me directly > I would really appreciate it. > MILES From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 31 21:51:01 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03564 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 21:51:01 -0500 Message-ID: <38E56352.6FD67FA6@slip.net> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 18:47:47 -0800 From: Jeremy Bartlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Stretched 130s was Re: big morning for sightings References: <1000331095145.59d57d4.26f36e02.ASIP6.2b6.95658@smtp.pvr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bob Frey wrote: > See the pictures at http://www.sailingbillboards.com/bios/rover.html > A very cool stretched seven door 130! I can't get access to the site but I can pass on some info. first hand It's a "146" and has been very nicely done from the body perspective. A reasonably good paint job for a respray (originally blue). It's a 1974 ( :) ) from New Zealand. Powerplant is a Nissan turbo diesel. An extremely clean conversion; very impressive. The rest is stock Rover (its RHD). The front winch is PTO powered from the transfer box (v. nice ! ... got me thinking about this again). Actually there are two in the country. Jeremy From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 31 22:01:13 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03579 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:01:13 -0500 From: LRDino@aol.com Message-ID: <6a.180421b.2616c053@aol.com> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:00:35 EST Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #104 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 102 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Are there any other cheaper rock sliders other than Safari Guard. $692.00 is a bit much to pay. Dino 95 5 speed Disco. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 31 22:12:16 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03592 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:12:16 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 19:04:03 -0800 Subject: Re: BP's deal of the day Message-ID: <20000331.190548.-154907.32.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-71 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Aw hell...I tried... Charles On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:56:51 -0800 Bob & Sue Bernard writes: > NO, > I won't bite twice! Thanks anyway. Could it be true 10 left??? > Bob B > > > At 10:25 AM 3/31/2000 -0800, you wrote: > >Well...I just called Keith: > > > >Unfortunately - they only have petrol engines - 10 left! (I thought > it > >was a joke - apparently not!) > > > >Damn...no diesels. > > > >Charles > > > >On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:08:43 -0800 Bob Frey writes: > >> on 3/31/00 9:33 AM James Howard wrote: > >> > >> >New Genuine 2.25 Long Block > >> >Factory Rebuilt Engines > >> RTC2352E > >> >We recently had the good fortune of being able to buy some > >> unclaimed > >> >freight from a consolidator, which included the find shown > above. > >> It's a > >> >genuine, factory rebuilt 2.25 long block, with cylinder heads > >> already > >> >prepared for unleaded fuel. We got 'em at a great price, but we > had > >> to buy > >> >the whole lot (23), and now we are up to our eyeballs in > engines. > >> We've > >> >got to move these things outta here, so here's a deal simply too > > >> good to > >> >be true! > >> > > >> > $400 each > >> > no exchange required, shipped common carrier > >> > >> It certainly had me going for awhile... before I noticed > tomorrows > >> date! > >> > >> Bob Frey > >> > > > >"...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, > >where all the women are strong, > >all the men are good-looking, > >and all the children, are above average." > > > >________________________________________________________________ > >YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > >Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > >Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 31 22:38:55 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03610 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:38:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200004010337.TAA07323@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 19:34:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: BP's deal of the day X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well I e-mailed em for todays special ( its after hours, so E-mail is it for communication ).... Not like I need a new 2.25.. but for $400 I need one :) Maybe I coud get two and make a v8 outa it and finally get some power in the series :) TomW > I haven't called yet, BUT... > > seeing how today's 31 March, I'd be a bit skeptical... > > BUT - it doesn't hurt to call and ask. > > Charles > > On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:33:43 -0700 (MST) James Howard > writes: > > > > New Genuine 2.25 Long Block > > Factory Rebuilt Engines > > > > > > > > RTC2352E > > > > We recently had the good fortune of being able to buy some unclaimed > > freight from a consolidator, which included the find shown above. > > It's a > > genuine, factory rebuilt 2.25 long block, with cylinder heads > > already > > prepared for unleaded fuel. We got 'em at a great price, but we had > > to buy > > the whole lot (23), and now we are up to our eyeballs in engines. > > We've > > got to move these things outta here, so here's a deal simply too > > good to > > be true! > > > > $400 each > > no exchange required, shipped common carrier > > > > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, > where all the women are strong, > all the men are good-looking, > and all the children, are above average." > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1642.. LandRovers tax evasion is a crime, tax avoidance is your right! tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com