From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 03:12:54 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA13284 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 03:12:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200003010811.AAA00297@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 00:09:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: brittish car parts in South bay X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anyone know of a good brittish car parts place between San Jose and Palo Alto? ( or? ) ... I need a rebuild for zenith/stromberg Carbs. Thanks *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 09:35:42 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13719 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:35:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200003011440.GAA29786@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: brittish car parts in South bay Date: Wed, 1 Mar 00 06:40:38 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Anyone know of a good brittish car parts place between San Jose and >Palo Alto? ( or? ) ... I need a rebuild for zenith/stromberg Carbs. There is a company in Santa Clara that is a Moss Motors distributer. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 10:05:32 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13817 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:05:32 -0500 Message-ID: <38BD3336.DE1D1AAC@home.com> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 07:11:50 -0800 From: Fil Figueroa Organization: Empty Wallet Foundation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: PCRC trip References: <000501bf8322$ba5320c0$d82d0dce@com.humboldt1.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Worldwide Rovers wrote: > > Hello Fil... > > Dates for the camping with PCRC part of the trip are firm. PCRC wants to > have three nites camping with explorations during the day. They figure a > couple of days before and after camping to get to the campground and back > home. Should be a bit longer for the NCRC members. Morgan Hannaford is > working on interesting ways to get from Highway 5 to O'Brien, OR and I'm > working on the O'Brien to Sourdough campground leg. If we meet in 'O'Brien > and take the historic McGrew trail into Sourdough, we will be arriving late > in the afternoon. There are about 3 sections that are challenging, but Kelly > Cushing and I traversed them in a stock Disco & RR. Dormies and heavily > loaded 109s might want to take a different route in. It is somewhat easier, > but still "interesting". The campground is in a valley and has a beautiful > swimming hole in the Smith River as a reward for getting there. > I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts and ideas for this trip. > > Clark Clark, thanks for the info, i needed it to file for vacation request, looking forward to this trip and meeting new faces and having fun and more rovers cheers, Fil From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 11:25:42 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14030 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:25:42 -0500 Message-ID: <38BD4492.675A0566@thelen.org> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 08:25:54 -0800 From: "Christopher H. Dow" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: brittish car parts in South bay References: <200003011440.GAA29786@blackie.cruzers.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > > >Anyone know of a good brittish car parts place between San Jose and > >Palo Alto? ( or? ) ... I need a rebuild for zenith/stromberg Carbs. > > There is a company in Santa Clara that is a Moss Motors distributer. > 8< I don't know if TeriAnn is talking about O'Connor Classics on Scott Blvd. in Santa Clara (408.727.0430), but they do sell some british car parts that are compatible with Land Rovers. I've purchased some Lucas stuff from them that was actually labeled for a Land Rover. It was pretty funny, because he had them stocked as MG parts. C From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 11:41:38 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14073 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:41:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200003011646.IAA19265@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: brittish car parts in South bay Date: Wed, 1 Mar 00 08:46:40 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >> There is a company in Santa Clara that is a Moss Motors distributer. >I don't know if TeriAnn is talking about O'Connor Classics on Scott >Blvd. in Santa Clara (408.727.0430), but they do sell some british car >parts that are compatible with Land Rovers. I've purchased some Lucas >stuff from them that was actually labeled for a Land Rover. It was >pretty funny, because he had them stocked as MG parts. Yep thems the ones. I couldn't remember their name. But since the MG name is owned by Rover, AKA BMW, and the MGF has common parts with the MGB, I'm not suprised about labeling. Thems there Gennnuuuuiiiiine new MG parts. Chris are you still planning on the Majove trail on Mar 18 & 19?? TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 15:03:56 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14256 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 15:03:56 -0500 Message-ID: <20000301200344.4910.qmail@web704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 12:03:44 -0800 (PST) From: KC Subject: Removing Disco Anti-sway bar To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've been contemplating removing the rear anti-sway bar on my '98 Disco. The mount on one side got bent up so the sway bar migrates up above the axle on one side, causing some binding of the sunspension. So, I figure since I never carry heavy loads, just moderate, and no loads high up, it shouldn't affect on-road handling much and hopefully improve articulation. Currently, she has stock springs. Can anyone comment on handling without the rear anti-sway bar and ease of removal? TIA. KC Mares __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 15:19:22 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14271 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 15:19:22 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A32D@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Removing Disco Anti-sway bar Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:22:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Best thing for you to do, KC is disconnect the links at the axle, flip the bar back toward the rear bumper, tie it off with a bungie or something, and go for a ride. From what I hear, you won't notice much difference with the rear one removed. If you like it, remove the brackets and bushings from the frame, and drop the whole thing. Entire job, including the drive and cleaning up, won't take more than 90 minutes. If you want to think about a QD (front or rear), I ran across this type that's cheaper than Fabitron and a cleaner installation, in my mind. No need to hitch the bar up when not in use..... Ahh crap! I lost the link. Gimme a minute.... -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 15:21:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14285 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 15:21:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200003012019.MAA10144@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 12:17:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: hunter ligget trip plan & directions X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This will be the third club camping trip down to this area We will be focusing more the trails in and around Ft Hunter Ligget this time, with possibly heading towards Camp Roberts or Lake Nasciemento, or again to the back side of hearst castle. The trip will start between 10-11:00 on Saturday morning and run through Sunday. We will be setting up a base camp at camp nacsiemento. In previous years we have camped on base where ever we found was nice. I have been informed this isn't really allowed.. So to play it safe we will camp off-base at last years meeting point ( camp naciemento ) on nasciemento fergusson road. I will be arriving LATE Friday night with camper and whatever Rover is running the best ( hopefully the FC101 ) I beleive RT 1 access is closed due to slides so the best access is via 101 using the directions below: If others have a specific route plan or idea I'm open ( and busy! ) We are supposed to check with Range control before we head out... This may change our plans if a particular area is deemed off limits ( IE: they may close a small parcel here and there to play army ) Notes: It will be very muddy, be prepared, tow straps recovery points are required!!! no excuses... Winches are recomended. There may be some High water crossings!!!! Bring warm layered clothing, bring rain gear ( rain is in the forecast ).... Bring your food, camping gear, firewood etc... for base camp... Bring a cooler or a day pack for on the trail lunch. Bring shovels Bring extra Gas Bring Maps Base law applies. ( lockbox, right to search, pushups and saluting ? Tanks have right of way ) As usual on NCRC trips we will monitor the following Radio Frequencies: CB Channel 7 2 meter: 146.500 simplex You can also try on 2 meter: 146.730 (-) no pl, King City repeater (this may not be suitable) (there are several other King City repeaters that may or may not work for us) ( if off base ) NOTE: An adventure pass is required to enjoy *YOUR* National Forest. I assume these can be purchased at any National Forest Ranger Station. I'm don't know for sure as I've never bought one. This is an NCRC recce and will require that a waiver be signed and that your vehicle be in good safe condition. Directions------------------- To Nacimiento Campground: from the Bay area South on Hwy 101: GAS UP IN KING CITY!!!!!! Just north of King City, take Jolon Rd., G14, southwest towards Fort Hunter Liggett. At the gate to Ft Hunter Ligget inform the guard you are taking Nacimiento Fergusson Rd to the old Coast Rd.. He should let you pass. (Ask for detailed directions to Nacimiento Fergusson Rd as its possible to miss a road ) after the guard station: After G14 enters Ft H-L stay on it until you reach Jolon. Turn right on Mission Rd., towards San Antonio Mission and Fort Hunter-Liggett HQ. Turn left on Nacimiento Fergusson Rd. County Rd 4004 Stay on Nacimiento Fergusson Rd for about 10 miles. you will pass Nacimiento Campground will be on your left. This is the base camp and trip meeting spot. GPS coordinates: Lon 121.22'58" Lat 35.59'53" UTM E 144500 / N 3986700 ( from So cal...) ( IGNORE IF COMING FROM BAY AREA ) . Jolon road is a loop to 101.. you can come in from the southern 101 exit... I've never done it... but it also leads to Ft Hunter Ligget or go to second Jolon Rd on rt 101 many miles south of the 1st one you see and follow above directions from Jolon rd. ( GAS up somewhere! ) -------- *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 15:34:01 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14319 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 15:34:01 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000301123541.0084de00@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 12:35:41 -0800 To: mendo_recce From: Granville Pool Subject: Series I Spares Source Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Someone on the list recently asked about sources for Series I spares. I ran across a page on the 4WD Magazine (Oz) site that listed spares available from Whirlwind Spares International, "Specialising in Spare parts for Series One Land-Rovers." See: http://4wd.sofcom.com/landrover/whirlwind/index.html You can e-mail the vendor at (no website, apparently). Hope this is some help and not a repeat of something someone has already posted. Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 15:58:40 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14342 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 15:58:40 -0500 Message-ID: <16D03631929FD311BC5D009027D0CBB24B3D@vegmail.ucdavis.edu> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "Mendo_Recce (E-mail)" Subject: Hunter Ligget Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:01:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cynthia and I are trying to come. Regent has his carb to go back on tonight, and I have to tuck away some eletrical hacking I have done. If he runs ok, we should be down late Fri... -Rob From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 16:09:42 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14358 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:09:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200003012114.NAA05687@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: Series I Spares Source Date: Wed, 1 Mar 00 13:14:45 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Someone on the list recently asked about sources for Series I >spares. I ran across a page on the 4WD Magazine (Oz) site that >listed spares available from Whirlwind Spares International, >"Specialising in Spare parts for Series One Land-Rovers." See: > > http://4wd.sofcom.com/landrover/whirlwind/index.html > >You can e-mail the vendor at (no website, >apparently). > >Hope this is some help and not a repeat of something someone >has already posted. The company IS listed in www.overlander.net complete with their web adress. They are a one person company in Australia and now looks to have moved to the UK. They have new and used parts. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 16:38:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14374 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:38:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200003012137.NAA23369@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:36:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Removing Disco Anti-sway bar X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org it will sway a bit more, especially on a twisty curvey road ( well, duh! )... You'll find out if your shocks are shot real quick... if your in doubt you can have my wife ride in the front seat, while you drive slightly aggressively... If she screams and holds on for dear life..... get new shocks TomW > I've been contemplating removing the rear anti-sway bar on my '98 Disco. The > mount on one side got bent up so the sway bar migrates up above the axle on > one side, causing some binding of the sunspension. So, I figure since I > never carry heavy loads, just moderate, and no loads high up, it shouldn't > affect on-road handling much and hopefully improve articulation. Currently, > she has stock springs. > > Can anyone comment on handling without the rear anti-sway bar and ease of > removal? TIA. > KC Mares > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 16:40:17 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14384 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:40:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200003012139.NAA02259@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:37:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Hunter Ligget X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Great! Carbs! I'm off to get a rebuild for the FC101.... else its the series! TomW > Cynthia and I are trying to come. Regent has his carb to go back on > tonight, and I have to tuck away some eletrical hacking I have done. If he > runs ok, we should be down late Fri... > > -Rob > > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 17:21:32 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14427 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:21:32 -0500 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:20:54 EST Subject: '95 accident update.... To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The Discovery was finally taken to a body shop yesterday. Jeez.... that only took 2 weeks +/-. The damage estimate was as I expected...... $5k but $1400 is for the air bag module that didn't deploy. The other vehicle was deemed to be totaled. But, then again, it was just a '95 Toyota. Several has asked how I'm doing. My upper back and neck have been sore which I thought would have gone away by now. Finally got to a physical therapist today and now it hurts more than before! I called the kid's parents last week. No one answered but his mother called me back after seeing my number on caller ID. The police had told her they thought her son had been drinking the night of the accident. I told her I thought he was stoned. After I gave her my reasons, I asked if he had a drug problem. "Well, he did two years ago." She was going to have him tested on Friday. I wonder if $he'll $hare the re$ult$ with me?! The body shop's normal time of estimate is one week per $1,000 of damage. Between that and not being able to work on the SIII, I seriously doubt that I'll be on the Mojave run unless it gets delayed for one reason or another. I really hate that too. Stupid kid..... Gerry From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 19:35:11 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14517 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 19:35:11 -0500 Message-ID: <004a01bf83cf$3fc35ca0$0a926fce@baggarly.com> From: "Nick C. Baggarly" To: References: <000701bf8023$428fe340$0a27c0d8@BlairPC> Subject: Re: 83,630.. Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:39:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Info: Questions: Email Support@WebPerception.com Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The 110 has 110thou and going strong (but something's bound to go wrong now that I've said that). Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: Blair Peterson To: Mendo (E-mail) Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2000 12:32 AM Subject: 83,630.. > ..that is what the odometer read on the 110 this morning when the red > "Service Engine" light came on. In kilometers, of course. Right around > 52,000 miles I figure. Time to find the box, peel back the sticker, bend > the paper clip... > > Frank, Chris and Nick: how many miles do you guys have? Too many too soon > for me. Glad the 109 will be road worthy soon to give it a rest! > > Cheers, > Blair > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 19:44:33 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14538 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 19:44:33 -0500 Message-ID: <16D03631929FD311BC5D009027D0CBB217564B@vegmail.ucdavis.edu> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "Mendo_Recce (E-mail)" Subject: re:going strong Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:47:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At the last recce at hunter ligget I mentioned that all 4 of my cars(3 Lucas models)) were going strong. Since then, the Morris broke an exhaust hanger, Regent shorted the sense wire to the alternator and the Carb threw a plug, and the Rangie needed a stepper motor??? so it would idle properly or something like that. Of course the Toyota never even blinked, but it will now. -Rob From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 20:06:58 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14569 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 20:06:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200003020105.RAA10451@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:03:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [101] carbs / brittish car parts X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ben, Thanks for the part nums, TeriAnn, Chris, thanks for the pointers to O'Connors I've got the parts, just gotta get em in at some point TomW > > While doing part of a tuneup I buggered one of the rubber diaphrams > > on the carb ( it got a small tear in it ).. I put some electrical > > tape on for ( probably stupid, but its sitting in the driveway at > > this point )... > > > > Where is the fastest place I can get a rebuild ( IE: within the next > > day or so ? ) > > and what is the associated part for the diaphram or rebuild if others > > before me have done this? > > Tom > > Find a British Car parts store. I've had good luck with Doug's > British in Pasadena (2487 E. Colorado Blvd, Pasadena, CA 91107. 626-793-2494 > or 626-793-6768). He had two kits that worked. One original kit labeled > 175 CD-2SE which had all by one gasket. And ZE-20K which had all of the > correct bits (this is the kit for a Jaguar XKE or XJ12. I'd recommend the > latter kit. It cost $25 and rebuilt one carb. > > Ben >> *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 20:20:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14579 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 20:20:04 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A33D@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: cats and dogs sleeping together Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 18:23:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...this is the kit for a Jaguar XKE or XJ12..." Cracked me up, as I just gave Tom Gross a distributor off a '63 Mk 2 that seems to be spot on for what goes in his NADA 2.6........See Rover? Say hi to the nice kitty..... :^) Brit auto world of the 60s was a small one.... -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 20:35:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14630 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 20:35:37 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:32:24 -0800 Subject: Re: cats and dogs sleeping together Message-ID: <20000301.173226.-142813.2.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-7,9-25 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave: you in town again already??? The part numbers are probably the same, but the vacum advance might kick in at a different time...should be interesting to see how his Dormie runs with it. Charles On Wed, 1 Mar 2000 18:23:11 -0700 "Gomes, David" writes: > "...this is the kit for a Jaguar XKE or XJ12..." > > Cracked me up, as I just gave Tom Gross a distributor off a '63 Mk 2 > that > seems to be spot on for what goes in his NADA 2.6........See Rover? > Say hi > to the nice kitty..... :^) Brit auto world of the 60s was a small > one.... > > -Dave G. > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 20:46:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14641 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 20:46:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200003020144.RAA11503@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:42:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: re:going strong X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Let me say this for the record ( err and for Lucas ) None of my rovers work worth a sh*t, they run cr*ppy, and leak everywhere!!!! There, now I'm covered :) TomW, reversing psycology, and shorting Lucas, w/cats and dogs under the hood! > At the last recce at hunter ligget I mentioned that all 4 of my cars(3 Lucas > models)) were going strong. Since then, the Morris broke an exhaust hanger, > Regent shorted the sense wire to the alternator and the Carb threw a plug, > and the Rangie needed a stepper motor??? so it would idle properly or > something like that. Of course the Toyota never even blinked, but it will > now. > > -Rob > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 20:48:16 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14651 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 20:48:16 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A33F@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: cats and dogs sleeping together Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 18:51:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Part nums are actually a little different, and we discussed the different advance curves. Neat thing is this old beastie has a screw on cover for the spring in the vac advance, so Tom can fiddle with it if he wants to change the rate or the initial advance point. He even seems to have a source for the tune-up type parts so he can see if the Rover ones interchange to the "Jag" distributor. Kinda fun.... I was just glad to be able to return his favor of the steering column. Picked up the nut from him when I dropped off the dizzy. Sorry I didn't stop by, Charles, but I was visiting a friend who was in LA for the Nepcon show at the convention center in Anaheim. Hadn't seen her in over a year, and she's prettier than you too! I knew you'd understand...... :^) -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 20:55:16 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14666 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 20:55:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200003020155.RAA04371@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: cats and dogs sleeping together In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 01 Mar 2000 18:23:11 MST." <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A33D@RCEXS2> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 17:55:13 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A33D@RCEXS2>you wrote: > Cracked me up, as I just gave Tom Gross a distributor off a '63 Mk 2 that > seems to be spot on for what goes in his NADA 2.6........See Rover? Say hi > to the nice kitty..... :^) Brit auto world of the 60s was a small one.... When I went to get the clutch master for the 101, BP didn't stock a .625 bore clutch master. They told me to go down to Doug's British and ask for a clutch master off of a TR-7. Sure engough it was the same part, they even cut me a deal when I handed the reservoir back since I didn't need it. Many Girling and Lucas parts were on many different British cars. Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 21:06:38 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14703 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 21:06:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200003020205.SAA14838@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 18:03:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: cats and dogs sleeping together X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: Re: cats and dogs sleeping together > Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 17:55:13 -0800 > From: Benjamin Allan Smith > Reply-to: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > In message <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A33D@RCEXS2>you wrote: > > > Cracked me up, as I just gave Tom Gross a distributor off a '63 Mk 2 that > > seems to be spot on for what goes in his NADA 2.6........See Rover? Say hi > > to the nice kitty..... :^) Brit auto world of the 60s was a small one.... > > When I went to get the clutch master for the 101, BP didn't stock a > .625 bore clutch master. They told me to go down to Doug's British and ask > for a clutch master off of a TR-7. Sure engough it was the same part, they > even cut me a deal when I handed the reservoir back since I didn't need it. > Many Girling and Lucas parts were on many different British cars. The key is finding all this out, before you end up ordering something from overseas, when its been in your backyard the whole time! TomW > > Ben > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 21:11:57 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14713 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 21:11:57 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A341@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: cats and dogs sleeping together Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 19:15:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....The key is finding all this out...." You're right about that. I think, somewhere on the literature shelf in the garage I might have an "interchange manual" for american car parts applications from the 50s...I know.....worlds of good it does me too....But I wonder if a similar thing is available for the brit stuff? Might have to try and dig it out when I get home...... -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 21:12:30 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14723 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 21:12:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200003020212.SAA04426@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: cats and dogs sleeping together In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 01 Mar 2000 18:03:36 PST." <200003020205.SAA14838@proxy4.ba.best.com> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 18:12:28 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200003020205.SAA14838@proxy4.ba.best.com>you wrote: > The key is finding all this out, before you end up ordering something > from overseas, when its been in your backyard the whole time! It depends upon how much time that you have. Sometimes, it's much easier to just call the UK and the part appears on your doorstep 7 to 10 days later. The things that are most expensive are the ones that you can't source elsewhere anyway. Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 21:38:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14757 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 21:38:29 -0500 Date: 1 Mar 2000 18:38:16 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com X-Sender: web79245@dreamlab.cc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: ARB'd Range Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well kids, here's what I did today. Picked up a 24 spline ARB locker and a rear pinion seal. Drove to a friends garage/shop and met Timm Cooper there who was going to be putting in the carrier and setting the diff up. Doug didn't have enough time to do it today, and Timm was in town, so he got the lucky task of doing the job. I however, in an attempt to save a few bucks, decided that I'd go ahead and disconnect the third-member from the axle housing. So, disconnecting the third member was no big deal, but I forgot to drain the housing and 90wt came pouring out the bottom seam when it cracked apart. Grabbing a nearby drip pan I avoided a bigger mess than could have happened (doh!!). I lowered the third member down with a floor jack and handed it to Timm for his phase of the work. I was staring in the center of the diff, where the carrier was supposed to house the spider gears, and there was a rather large void. Timm asked me what was missing from this picture, and I said rather stupidly "some gears, right?". I figured I'd broken the carrier pin, but didn't realize that the gears had fallen down into the bottom of the diff housing and were luckily resting there the entire time I was driving home. That is the second time the exact same scenario has occured for me in this truck. While Timm was doing his thing, I did a rear brake-pad job and cleaned out the diff housing. I didn't replace the axle drive flanges after pulling the axles yesterday and i had a huge oil slick all over my tires, axle, discs, pads, tailgate, basically everything was covered with oil to some degree. Tim set up the diff, drilled and tapped the housing, and we opted for a special plumbing fitting instead of the ARB fitting which Timm feels isn't the greatest, and has been known to fall apart inside the diff housing when you are adjusting the connection to the air-hose. A smudge of RTV on the diff and a few bolts, some grunts and a couple of swears, the diff was located back in the axle. Some more bolts, grunts and swears and the drive line was attatched. A couple of grunts and bolts after that the axles were in, the tires were on, and we were taking a test drive. I used some Defender axles which were 24 spline, and are forged in one piece and don't have the seperate drive flanges like the RR axles. This got rid of a lot of driveline slop, along with the set up ARB, thins in the rear are pretty right now. Anyway, it's been a long day, and I'm glad I wasn't trying to do the compressor and air-tank today as well. Anyone have a good suggestion for a 1-2 gallon tank? We're going to try to put an AC compressor out of a Japanese car in the engine bay, running the belt off of the second pulley groove on the RR AC compressor. If we can't get that to work, we'll go electric. Enough Rover Wrenching for one day (for a novice at least). Later, Michael Slade Portland, Oregon www.DreamLab.cc From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 22:08:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14821 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:08:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200003020307.TAA00999@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 19:06:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: cats and dogs sleeping together X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > > The key is finding all this out, before you end up ordering something > > from overseas, when its been in your backyard the whole time! > > It depends upon how much time that you have. Sometimes, it's much > easier to just call the UK and the part appears on your doorstep 7 to 10 days > later. The things that are most expensive are the ones that you can't source > elsewhere anyway. Agreed! Like today, I had to spend damn near 2 hours going into the valley to get the carb parts ( I didn't "have" 2 hours to do this... ) but, on the bright side, if I get em installed it works out, as I wouldn't have had then arrive via post in time! These days I "prefer" to have parts just show up at my door. its alot less hassle that way. TomW > > Ben > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 22:29:15 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14851 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:29:15 -0500 To: lro@playground.sun.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 19:24:31 -0800 Subject: Tropical top part needed... Message-ID: <20000301.192432.-117361.1.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,7-8,11-20 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks, I took delivery of my 109 tropical top yesterday, albeit with one somewhat critical part missing: one of the vents has vanished since I saw it in Boston (Alan...you have anything to do with that???). Since the deal was a VERY good one on my part, I didn't complain, however, I now need a single vent assembly. (got several other items that I needed thrown into the deal) ...Anybody out there have one that they don't need??? I've been told by BP that used ones run about $50.00 or thereabouts (but of course, they don't have any), so I wouldn't complain about paying for one. Thanks in advance. Charles "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 22:46:58 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14862 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:46:58 -0500 Message-ID: <018f01bf83f7$dee566c0$463377d8@delllap> From: "Paul Archibald" To: References: <200003020144.RAA11503@proxy4.ba.best.com> Subject: Re: re:going strong Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 19:31:54 -0800 Organization: P. A. Design X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Let me say this for the record ( err and for Lucas ) > > None of my rovers work worth a sh*t, they run cr*ppy, and leak > everywhere!!!! > > There, now I'm covered :) > > TomW, reversing psycology, and shorting Lucas, w/cats and dogs under > the hood! I've been using that trick for years. It always caused a problem when after hearing me bitch about my vehicles(usually motorcycles) a friend would borrow a bike to run to the store and come back complaining of how it would launch the front wheel half way ina corner....what do you mean it runs like shit!!!!!! ;-) I've been bitching big time about the audi, and it's starter still kinda works, so I gotta keep up the complaints till I have time go go back to auto electric and get one that actually works this time! Maybe tomorrow as I will be driving Elgie(rover content!) since I need the space in the bed to haul a prototype to a customer....Maybe I'll be playing audi mechanic on saturday instead of rover-stuff... Paul '58/'60 88" "The African" '66 88" "Elgie"......(Little Green rover) '95 Disco soon (won't tell it's name yet, but it may be familiar......) ;-) '60? either coiled/disked 109 two-doormobile or 100 hybrid project (ok I'm only probably 10% there yet, but...) '91 Audi 80 Quattro "Zipper" '92 Ducati 750ss "Rubber Ducky" '98 Ultra-wheels Taos "Death-Boots" Notice anything! ;-) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 22:48:07 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14872 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:48:07 -0500 Message-ID: <38BDE4F0.F2E7185@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 19:50:08 -0800 From: "Franklin H. Yap" X-Sender: "Franklin H. Yap" <@mail.earthlink.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-FLASHNET (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: '95 accident update.... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org GElam30092@aol.com wrote: > > The other vehicle was deemed to be totaled. But, then again, it was just a > '95 Toyota. Several has asked how I'm doing. My upper back and neck have > been sore which I thought would have gone away by now. Finally got to a > physical therapist today and now it hurts more than before! Watch that carefully. I have had people tell me that problems can develop 6 months after the accident. Frank From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 23:01:22 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14885 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 23:01:22 -0500 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 20:51:17 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Re: cats and dogs sleeping together In-Reply-To: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A33D@RCEXS2> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Gomes, David wrote: > . :^) Brit auto world of the 60s was a small one.... I'll say. I saw a 1960's Rolls Royce recently that used the exact same taillight lenses as my SIII. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 23:06:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14896 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 23:06:29 -0500 Message-ID: <38BDEA3E.6AE3BE17@home.com> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 20:12:46 -0800 From: Fil Figueroa Organization: Empty Wallet Foundation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: BMC in SF References: <38BDE4F0.F2E7185@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org hi all, i heard that BMC is buying the DeTomaso factory in Italy and another Italian speedboat company plus they are expanding to the south bay and down in Monterey, italian cars and british trucks.... now back to work, fil From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 1 23:07:43 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14906 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 23:07:43 -0500 X-Sender: studios@cwnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Michael Carradine Subject: Re: cats and dogs sleeping together Message-Id: <20000302040741.RQJZ21637.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 20:07:41 -0800 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 08:51 PM 3/1/00 -0700, you wrote: > >On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Gomes, David wrote: > >> . :^) Brit auto world of the 60s was a small one.... > >I'll say. I saw a 1960's Rolls Royce recently that used >the exact same taillight lenses as my SIII. A-haa!! That explains the high price of the tail light lenses!!!! -Michael From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 2 01:28:38 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15617 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 01:28:38 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000301222832.006a2654@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 22:28:32 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Re: ARB'd Range Rover In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mike Slade wrote: >Anyone have a good suggestion for a 1-2 gallon tank? We're going to try to >put an AC compressor out of a Japanese car in the engine bay, running the >belt off of the second pulley groove on the RR AC compressor. If we can't >get that to work, we'll go electric. Oh! I do hope you can make it work--for all of us! Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 2 02:42:33 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15678 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 02:42:33 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mewgull@popd.ix.netcom.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <38BDEA3E.6AE3BE17@home.com> References: <38BDE4F0.F2E7185@earthlink.net> <38BDEA3E.6AE3BE17@home.com> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 23:39:04 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Gerald Mugele Subject: Re: BMC in SF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Fil Said: > >i heard that BMC is buying the DeTomaso factory in Italy and another >Italian speedboat company plus they are expanding to the south bay and >down in Monterey, italian cars and british trucks.... > I believe that it's all but done. My neighbor, Joe Huffaker Jr (of Huffaker racing engine fame) races as part of the Qvale team (that's BMC) and thinks it's just about complete. BTW he was driving that new DeTomaso roadster home for a few days last fall..yup the same YELLOW! car that Road & Track wrote about. Marginal LR content: Joe is not particularly enamored of our favorites. He does however normally drive a very clean and stock-looking Morris 1000. It looks stock except for the wider wheels and tires that sort of let us know that it has an extremely healthy 1275 under the hood. Sounds really nice when he tools by the house. Cheers, Gerry Mugele -- ("Gooey" '72 Series III 88 and "Peat" '95 D90 SW) *** Therapy is expensive, poppin' bubble wrap is cheap! You choose. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 2 02:56:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15689 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 02:56:25 -0500 Message-ID: <20000302073419.14288.rocketmail@web222.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 23:34:19 -0800 (PST) From: joe mulqueen Subject: series fuel sender To: mendo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I think this was described once before: What is the physical difference between a pos grnd and neg grnd series fuel tank sending unit? Thanks any restatements! Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW (previously converted from positive grnd) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 2 06:13:12 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA15913 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 06:13:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200003021111.DAA02188@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 03:09:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: carbs, 101, trip X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rebuilt the top end of the dual zenith strombergs ( ie: I stuck in a new diaphram )... Put electronic points in and a all the other associated tune-up goodies, and the fc101 is ready to hit the mud ( I think )... She's running rich but when I tone her down she runs funky I think I adjusted the electronic points the wrong way, maybe they cancel each other out? I'll look into it later as A) she's a trailer queen this weekend, so no real high speed stuff B) god damn if I can't whiz up weenie hills in 4th I was winding out in 3rd before on my test drive(s) So she looks good to go for the weekend, I'll drive her in to work tomorrow ( damn, I love it when they scatter on the sidewalk as I go by :) just to make sure. This E-mail brought to you by: writing the address ageing task, well my 260 seconds are up the addres table ( bridge table, ( like an Arp table ) is timing out, gotta go check it ). Could be worse NTP takes days to converge! TomW From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 2 09:40:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16143 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:40:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200003021445.GAA17069@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: cats and dogs sleeping together Date: Thu, 2 Mar 00 06:45:23 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >"...this is the kit for a Jaguar XKE or XJ12..." > >Cracked me up, as I just gave Tom Gross a distributor off a '63 Mk 2 that >seems to be spot on for what goes in his NADA 2.6........See Rover? Say hi >to the nice kitty..... :^) Brit auto world of the 60s was a small one.... That is exactly why both of my cars are British and a year appart. They both share the British style of how things go together and until I started fooling around with the Rover's electrics they shared an amazing percentage of electrical components and a wiring colour code. The TR's master brake cylinder is the same as the stock master clutch cylinder. Basically once you knew how to work on one you know how to work on the other. Lucas...one parts fits all marques... TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 2 10:33:56 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16275 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:33:56 -0500 Message-ID: <20000302153158.12695.qmail@web704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 07:31:58 -0800 (PST) From: KC Subject: Re: Removing Disco Anti-sway bar To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Tom Walsh wrote: > it will sway a bit more, especially on a twisty curvey road ( well, > duh! )... You'll find out if your shocks are shot real quick... if > your in doubt you can have my wife ride in the front seat, while you > drive slightly aggressively... If she screams and holds on for dear > life..... get new shocks Thanks for the offer Tom. W/both sway bars on, I can get people sick going up hwy. 84, so I'll know it'll be worse and shocks should be replaced w/springs, that is, when I get around to that and the new bumper. Hope to take the rear sway bar off tonight, and change the oil, and prepare for the FHL trip, and... So, how's your wife going to handle Tom screaming through twisty roads in his new 911? KC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 2 10:37:56 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16297 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:37:56 -0500 Message-ID: <20000302153517.13065.qmail@web704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 07:35:17 -0800 (PST) From: KC Subject: Re: '95 accident update.... To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- GElam30092@aol.com wrote: > The Discovery was finally taken to a body shop yesterday. Jeez.... that > only > took 2 weeks +/-. The damage estimate was as I expected...... $5k but > $1400 > is for the air bag module that didn't deploy. Gerry: Terribly sorry to hear about your accident, and sore neck and back from it. So, why does the $1400 air bag module be replaced if it didn't deploy? KC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 2 10:55:32 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16336 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:55:32 -0500 Message-ID: <00da01bf845d$a99c9720$163377d8@delllap> From: "Paul Archibald" To: References: <20000302153158.12695.qmail@web704.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Removing Disco Anti-sway bar Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 07:40:29 -0800 Organization: P. A. Design X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > So, how's your wife going to handle Tom screaming through twisty roads in > his new 911? > KC She'll be right behind nim in her new toy? ;-) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 2 11:16:41 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16373 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:16:41 -0500 Message-ID: <001101bf8462$cbe1d660$e834cbcc@johnbenh> From: "John R. Benham" To: References: <20000302153517.13065.qmail@web704.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: R/R 3.9L engine noise Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:16:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mendos, For a few months now I've had a knocking noise in the `engine' that sounded like a stuck lifter. Well it's been getting worse. I put on my mechanics stethescope and could not pinpoint it anywhere in the engine area. It sounded like it was coming from below. So I thought it might be a loose oil intake bracket hitting against the crank. I did the standard backyard mechanic voodoo stuff by changing oil; running 50/50 diesel/oil mixture then changing to a 20/50 weight; adding additives; etc, etc,... Just like a tooth ache, I finally opted to get professional help. One local Brit mechanic said it was a camshaft `inflow' situation where the cam hits the timing gear cover. Well I decided to go higher up... As I pull into the shiney no-90wt parking lot of the perfect dealership, a mechanic wearing white spotless overalls rushed out to greet me. After a minute of listening, he said "sounds like your catalytic converter". I crawled under the R/R with my stethsecope, and sure nuff, it was the converter! He said "Sometimes they rattle when they get warm" and mine was resting against the frame. He suggested that I loosen the engine and tranny mounts and rotate the engine sligthly to get the converter off of the frame, then the noise should go away as he illustrated by prying the converter away from the frame... No charge. Kudos to the dealership! I'm happy! John B. Spokane From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 2 12:09:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16453 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:09:21 -0500 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:06:46 EST Subject: Re: '95 accident update.... To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/2/00 8:46:13 AM US Mountain Standard Time, kcmares@yahoo.com writes: << So, why does the $1400 air bag module be replaced if it didn't deploy? >> Don't know.... waiting on the shop to call me to ask the very same question! Gerry From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 2 12:16:54 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16463 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:16:54 -0500 Message-ID: <20000302171646.25153.qmail@web209.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:16:46 -0800 (PST) From: David Tong Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #53 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anyone on the list-help. Just bought a Series III that seems to have a few driveline problems, ran it for the first time yesterday. 1. Clutch pedal not returning to the same level as the brake pedal. 2. Transfer case not able to shift out of 4wd, spring missing. 3. Second gear hard to shift into (may be more than synchro). 4. Trans seems somewhat noisier than it should be (no sound deadening). 5. Full throttle not possible, top speed is now 45mph (which might be top speed for 4WD high anyhow?). Third, fourth and reverse seem fine. No klunks in driveline otherwise. Points, plugs, wires all new, new Zenith sitting in box if necessary. Any ideas guys? David '74 SIII SWB "Elizabeth" --- "Mendo_Recce digest:" wrote: > > Mendo_Recce digest: Wednesday, March 1 2000 > Volume 02 : Number 053 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 12:35:41 -0800 > From: Granville Pool > Subject: Series I Spares Source > > Someone on the list recently asked about sources for > Series I > spares. I ran across a page on the 4WD Magazine > (Oz) site that > listed spares available from Whirlwind Spares > International, > "Specialising in Spare parts for Series One > Land-Rovers." See: > > > http://4wd.sofcom.com/landrover/whirlwind/index.html > > You can e-mail the vendor at (no > website, > apparently). > > Hope this is some help and not a repeat of something > someone > has already posted. > > Cheers, > > > Granny > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:01:59 -0800 > From: "Kerner, Rob" > Subject: Hunter Ligget > > Cynthia and I are trying to come. Regent has his > carb to go back on > tonight, and I have to tuck away some eletrical > hacking I have done. If he > runs ok, we should be down late Fri... > > - -Rob > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 1 Mar 00 13:14:45 -0800 > From: TeriAnn Wakeman > Subject: Re: Series I Spares Source > > >Someone on the list recently asked about sources > for Series I > >spares. I ran across a page on the 4WD Magazine > (Oz) site that > >listed spares available from Whirlwind Spares > International, > >"Specialising in Spare parts for Series One > Land-Rovers." See: > > > > > http://4wd.sofcom.com/landrover/whirlwind/index.html > > > >You can e-mail the vendor at (no > website, > >apparently). > > > >Hope this is some help and not a repeat of > something someone > >has already posted. > > The company IS listed in www.overlander.net complete > with their web > adress. They are a one person company in Australia > and now looks to have > moved to the UK. > > They have new and used parts. > > > TeriAnn > http://www.overlander.net > > The world's most complete set of links connecting > Rover 4X4 owners > with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales > companies world wide. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:36:08 -0800 > From: "Tom Walsh" > Subject: Re: Removing Disco Anti-sway bar > > it will sway a bit more, especially on a twisty > curvey road ( well, > duh! )... You'll find out if your shocks are shot > real quick... if > your in doubt you can have my wife ride in the front > seat, while you > drive slightly aggressively... If she screams and > holds on for dear > life..... get new shocks > > TomW > > > I've been contemplating removing the rear > anti-sway bar on my '98 Disco. The > > mount on one side got bent up so the sway bar > migrates up above the axle on > > one side, causing some binding of the sunspension. > So, I figure since I > > never carry heavy loads, just moderate, and no > loads high up, it shouldn't > > affect on-road handling much and hopefully improve > articulation. Currently, > > she has stock springs. > > > > Can anyone comment on handling without the rear > anti-sway bar and ease of > > removal? TIA. > > KC Mares > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://im.yahoo.com > > > > > *---------*---------* > "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. > LandRovers > "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" > tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:37:39 -0800 > From: "Tom Walsh" > Subject: Re: Hunter Ligget > > Great! > Carbs! I'm off to get a rebuild for the FC101.... > else its the > series! > TomW > > > Cynthia and I are trying to come. Regent has his > carb to go back on > > tonight, and I have to tuck away some eletrical > hacking I have done. If he > > runs ok, we should be down late Fri... > > > > -Rob > > > > > > > *---------*---------* > "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. > LandRovers > "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" > tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:20:54 EST > From: GElam30092@aol.com > Subject: '95 accident update.... > > The Discovery was finally taken to a body shop > yesterday. Jeez.... that only > took 2 weeks +/-. The damage estimate was as I > expected...... $5k but $1400 > is for the air bag module that didn't deploy. > > The other vehicle was deemed to be totaled. But, > then again, it was just a > '95 Toyota. Several has asked how I'm doing. My > upper back and neck have > been sore which I thought would have gone away by > now. Finally got to a > physical therapist today and now it hurts more than > before! > > I called the kid's parents last week. No one > answered but his mother called > me back after seeing my number on caller ID. The > police had told her they > thought her son had been drinking the night of the > accident. I told her I > thought he was stoned. After I gave her my reasons, > I asked if he had a drug > problem. "Well, he did two years ago." She was > going to have him tested on > Friday. I wonder if $he'll $hare the re$ult$ with > me?! === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 2 12:17:44 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16475 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:17:44 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000302072523.00aa1c80@hgea01.hgea.org> X-Sender: ogilvi@hgea01.hgea.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 07:25:23 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie Subject: Re: '95 accident update.... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Could it be that it was defective which was why it failed to inflate??? 'Spose you could leave it in so it wouldn't work in the next accident!!! Aloha Peter At 12:06 PM 3/2/00 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 3/2/00 8:46:13 AM US Mountain Standard Time, >kcmares@yahoo.com writes: > ><< So, why does the $1400 air bag module be replaced if it didn't deploy? >> > >Don't know.... waiting on the shop to call me to ask the very same question! >Gerry > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 2 12:55:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16535 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:55:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200003021759.JAA15791@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: series fuel sender Date: Thu, 2 Mar 00 10:00:10 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I think this was described once before: >What is the physical difference between a pos grnd and >neg grnd series fuel tank sending unit? >Thanks any restatements! The positive earth sender has a metal tower. The negative earth senders have a flat top except for the connectors. They are wound in oposit directions so the sender must be matched to the gauge. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 2 13:04:34 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16564 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:04:34 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:36:09 -0800 Subject: Re: R/R 3.9L engine noise Message-ID: <20000302.083611.-89181.7.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3,5-6,9-10,15-18,20-71 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Reminds me of the time I drove my too-low to the ground SD-1 waaaaaaaaay too fast through an intersection that had a very nasty dip at both ends (was talking to a passenger, and forgot about the dips). The car bottomed-out badly, and from that point on, I had what sounded like a rod knock! I get the car home, made a few calls to other SD-1 owners, and figured it was one of the cats, so I replaced it with an extra (new) that I had in my garage: still knocks. Another friend that is into SD-1's in a big way (he has 14 of them at last count!) told me to look at the oil pan for dents: sure enough - the engine mounts flexed enough for the oil pan to become dented on the steering rack, the noise was caused by one of the counterweights on the crankshaft hitting the now dented pan! Charles On Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:16:53 -0800 "John R. Benham" writes: > Mendos, > > For a few months now I've had a knocking noise in the `engine' that > sounded > like a stuck lifter. Well it's been getting worse. I put on my > mechanics > stethescope and could not pinpoint it anywhere in the engine area. > It > sounded like it was coming from below. So I thought it might be a > loose oil > intake bracket hitting against the crank. I did the standard > backyard > mechanic voodoo stuff by changing oil; running 50/50 diesel/oil > mixture then > changing to a 20/50 weight; adding additives; etc, etc,... > > Just like a tooth ache, I finally opted to get professional help. > One local > Brit mechanic said it was a camshaft `inflow' situation where the > cam hits > the timing gear cover. Well I decided to go higher up... > > As I pull into the shiney no-90wt parking lot of the perfect > dealership, a > mechanic wearing white spotless overalls rushed out to greet me. > After a > minute of listening, he said "sounds like your catalytic converter". > I > crawled under the R/R with my stethsecope, and sure nuff, it was the > converter! He said "Sometimes they rattle when they get warm" and > mine was > resting against the frame. He suggested that I loosen the engine > and tranny > mounts and rotate the engine sligthly to get the converter off of > the frame, > then the noise should go away as he illustrated by prying the > converter away > from the frame... No charge. > > Kudos to the dealership! > > I'm happy! > > John B. > Spokane > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 2 15:42:38 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16773 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 15:42:38 -0500 From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: David's questions Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:53:04 -0800 Message-ID: <002701bf8489$4f2b7fa0$ae051fd1@BlairPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org David with his new '74 SIII SWB "Elizabeth" asks about: 1. Clutch pedal not returning to the same level as the brake pedal. 2. Transfer case not able to shift out of 4wd, spring missing. 3. Second gear hard to shift into (may be more than synchro). 4. Trans seems somewhat noisier than it should be (no sound deadening). 5. Full throttle not possible, top speed is now 45mph (which might be top speed for 4WD high anyhow?). There are much more knowledgeable Mendo-ites out there than I on such things, but I simple things I would try... 1. My clutch pedal rides higher than the brake pedal. Maybe you have a weak/missing pedal return spring (the easy answer)? 2. While pulling the red knob back into low range (which is how you get it out of 4x4 hi range), help the yellow knob by simultaneously lifting it up? Drive forward/backward quite a distance on loose gravel first (in case you have driveline wind-up)? The high range selector linkage could be gummed-up/corroded? 3. Maybe it has a SIIA replacement box (fairly common), i.e. no synchro, so you need to double de-clutch anyway? Someone on Mendo recently had trouble with worn synchro rings/springs binding I think. 4. Tough to say-- L-R gearbox noise is in the ear of the beholder. See how much 90wt is in there (level plug on side), T-case too (level plug on back)! 5. On the level, top speed should be about that same in 2x or 4x high range, no? (not that I'd necessarily want/need to go 60mph in 4x4 in a Series very often). If you have freewheeling hubs, compare speed with them locked and free. Check the throttle pedal stop or throttle linkages which may not allow full throttle (but look down the throat of the carb to see what "full throttle" really requires in terms of linkage/pedal travel). Low power could be caused by alot of things (2.25L engine itself being one of them!). Good luck, congratulations on the purchase, enjoy it! Blair. '93 110 "Trip" '66 109 "Pershing" From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 2 16:23:18 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16826 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:23:18 -0500 Message-ID: <000201bf848d$8ad60440$7500000a@kklaptop> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Range Rover Stepper Motor Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:01:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rob wrote: >Rangie needed a stepper motor??? so it would idle >properly or something like that. Before you buy a new one pull it off and spray it with carb and choke cleaner (a ton of black stuff should come out). I have never heard of anyone needing to buy a stepper motor unless they snapped it trying to get it off (it's plastic so be careful). I have only had to clean mine once in 6 years (I think it was John Brabyn who first told me how to clean it). Kevin Kelly From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 2 16:30:15 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16848 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:30:15 -0500 Message-ID: <16D03631929FD311BC5D009027D0CBB217564E@vegmail.ucdavis.edu> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Range Rover Stepper Motor Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:33:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org thanks Kevin, but the extended warrantee we bought paid for it... -Rob -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Kelly [mailto:kkelly6788@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 9:02 AM To: Mendo List Subject: Range Rover Stepper Motor Rob wrote: >Rangie needed a stepper motor??? so it would idle >properly or something like that. Before you buy a new one pull it off and spray it with carb and choke cleaner (a ton of black stuff should come out). I have never heard of anyone needing to buy a stepper motor unless they snapped it trying to get it off (it's plastic so be careful). I have only had to clean mine once in 6 years (I think it was John Brabyn who first told me how to clean it). Kevin Kelly From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 2 17:42:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16903 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:42:21 -0500 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:41:44 EST Subject: Re: '95 accident update.... To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/2/00 10:19:16 AM US Mountain Standard Time, ogilvi@hgea.org writes: << Could it be that it was defective which was why it failed to inflate??? >> I really don't think I was going fast enough to inflate it. Both bags on the other car deployed but that again, it's a Discovery v. a Corolla or something like that. Cheers, Gerry From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 2 22:11:01 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17002 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:11:01 -0500 Message-ID: <20000303013003.20386.qmail@web705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:30:03 -0800 (PST) From: KC Subject: Re: hunter ligget trip plan & directions To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So, I'm going to FHL/LPNF--who else is going? I'm leaving Sat. AM from Shallow Alto? Want to redevous and caravan on down? KC Mares __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 00:13:32 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA17317 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 00:13:32 -0500 To: lro@playground.sun.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:00:23 -0800 Subject: Best kept Land Rover secret unvieled(translation, I'll be a SOB!) Message-ID: <20000302.210024.-89181.20.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4,6-7,11-12,15-18,20-28 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks, This has been a subject that has plagued me since I got my 109...STEERING BOX! As some of you may remember, my 109 has a Volkswagen steering box adapted to fit: I was rumaging through the used parts at BP this afternoon, when I asked Keith if he had any pieces to RHD steering boxes, and his reply was "No - but they're ALL the same.". I asked him how that was possible - you have a left, and a right. His reply was "They're ALL the same! You take a LHD box apart, and put it together backwards, and you now have a RHD steering box! We didn't know it was possible until one of our customers did it by mistake!"!!!!! He then showed me - and sure enough, you CAN switch it around! ...and I've had this damnded LHD steering box sitting in my backyard how long??? Charles (The search is now over...I'll be a S.O.B.!) "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! 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From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 00:41:22 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA17806 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 00:41:22 -0500 Message-ID: <000201bf84d3$208adac0$7500000a@kklaptop> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Low cost way to add 50 hp to a 4x4 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:15:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org We have all seen the big exhaust tips on lowered Hondas, below is a link to a site with step by step instructions on how to do a "big pipe" performance upgrade to a 4x4 ;-) http://www.angelfire.com/nc2/mycoffeecan/ Kevin Kelly From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 01:08:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17851 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 01:08:00 -0500 To: lro@playground.sun.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:07:35 -0800 Subject: Re: Best kept Land Rover secret unvieled(translation, I'll be a S Message-ID: <20000302.220736.-89181.21.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-8,10-11,13,15,17 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Close, Dave: The filler plug remains on top. You simply bolt the column onto the opposite end. Even the bolt mounting pattern seems to remain the same! I'll know for sure - tomorrow? When I try swapping steering boxes. Charles On Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:26:48 -0700 "Gomes, David" writes: > > know, you might be right! The "paradigm shift" I needed to think about for a > minute is the housing, but if you swap positions of the column and the end cap, it > goes on the right side okay! Oh, wait....but the filler plug is at the bottom instead of the >top......drill and tap another? ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 01:32:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17866 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 01:32:00 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000302223144.006a85b0@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 22:31:44 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Re: Best kept Land Rover secret unvieled(translation, I'll be a SOB!) In-Reply-To: <20000302.210024.-89181.20.cirvin1258@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >...and I've had this damnded LHD steering box sitting in my backyard how >long??? Pretty cool! Once in while, we get a bit of luck! Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 01:40:57 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17877 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 01:40:57 -0500 To: lro@playground.sun.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:40:25 -0800 Subject: Re: Best kept Land Rover secret unvieled(translation, I'll be a S Message-ID: <20000302.224026.-89181.22.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,5-11,13-15,17-23 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I just went out and took another looksee at it: Yup - the only difference seems to be the location of the filler plug! Not a problem, for 'I' happen to be very fluent in the use of drills and taps. Even the mounting bolt pattern to the chassis is the same! (thought there were only 3 bolts, but there's 4) I can hardly wait! Charles (I quote Austin Powers..."YEAH BABY, YEAH!!!!") On Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:20:31 -0700 "Gomes, David" writes: > > Yes, the filler plug will still be pointed toward the sky. What I was > getting at is that the filler plug used to be closer to the column. After > your swap the plug will be closer to the end cap...... "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 01:53:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17888 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 01:53:21 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:53:21 -0800 Subject: Re: Best kept Land Rover secret unvieled(translation, I'll be a SOB!) Message-ID: <20000302.225322.-89181.24.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4,6-19 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If only it were this easy for the Range Rover: a friend of mine has a rebuilt RHD box for a classic Rangie! Charles On Thu, 02 Mar 2000 22:31:44 -0800 Granville Pool writes: > >...and I've had this damnded LHD steering box sitting in my backyard > how > >long??? > > Pretty cool! Once in while, we get a bit of luck! > > > Granny "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 02:06:59 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA17901 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 02:06:59 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A36A@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Best kept Land Rover secret unvieled(translation, I'll be a S Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 00:10:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....Not a problem, for 'I' happen to be very fluent in the use of drills and taps......" Surprised you didn't quote Fat Ba$tard.... "Ah-m dead sex-ay!" :^) -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 02:37:26 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA17913 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 02:37:26 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:37:11 -0800 Subject: Re: Best kept Land Rover secret unvieled(translation, I'll be a S Message-ID: <20000302.233712.-89181.26.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-6,8-15 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Actually - I haven't seen that one yet. (I have the first one) Can you recall where this one came from?..."BLONDINI!!!!!!!!!!!" (if you can, then you've definately seen as many films as I have!) Charles On Fri, 3 Mar 2000 00:10:14 -0700 "Gomes, David" writes: > > Surprised you didn't quote Fat Ba$tard.... "Ah-m dead sex-ay!" "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 03:57:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA17959 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 03:57:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200003030856.AAA22137@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 00:54:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: hunter ligget trip X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just found out from my wife ( who talked to my sister ) that my dad may have to go in for a serious operation some time next week or this weekend ( I was out with my head in the 101 when my sister called ) ... If so I may have to work this weekend, to make up for the time ( new product schedules :(... ) I guess its definate he will need to go, its just when... Since this is all preliminary and second hand, I wouldn't worry to much about the trip just yet... but I felt a heads up was in order Worst case is it happens early next week or this weekend....if so I go to Phx, and someone else leads the trip... lets hope it all works out for the best. Thanks TomW *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 10:43:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18576 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 10:43:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200003031548.HAA17619@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: surplus battery Date: Fri, 3 Mar 00 07:48:25 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org For those of you reasonably close to me: I have a good condition group 27 battery comming up surplus within the next week, lack of rain permitting. It is currently in the Rover and being used but is soon to be replaced with a group 41 in a new battery tray. Anyone local want it for $10+ gas for delivery or shall I use it for a core trade in. It goes against my grain to use a perfectly good heathy battery for a core trade in but I have no use for it. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 12:07:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18661 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:07:21 -0500 Message-ID: <38BFF1EA.61A1A288@wenet.net> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 09:10:02 -0800 From: "Bruce R. Bonar" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: hunter ligget trip plan & directions References: <20000303013003.20386.qmail@web705.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm hoping to drive down Sat am as well from San Carlos. Unfortunately I won't know until late today. Bruce KC wrote: > So, I'm going to FHL/LPNF--who else is going? > > I'm leaving Sat. AM from Shallow Alto? Want to redevous and caravan on down? > KC Mares > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 13:46:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18762 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 13:46:21 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000303104758.007c76e0@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 10:47:58 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: BP Special: SIII tail lamp lenses! In-Reply-To: <200003031548.HAA17619@blackie.cruzers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Friday, 3 March 2000 > >Back In Stock! Series III Tail Light Lenses, NAS '73, '74 > >US model Land Rovers built between 1968 and 1974 used lighting packages >that were unique to this market (due to federal regulations). Many of >those lights and components had gone out of production and are no longer >available, forcing restorers to use lights that aren't correct. > >We now have these very rare NAS Series III tail light lenses back in >stock! Because they stick out a bit, they often broke, further >hastening the reduction of the remaining stocks of spare lenses. These >are the tall, domed, fluted lenses seen only on the NAS '73 and '74 >models, and they are new, not used. We are the only supplier anywhere >with a quantity of these lenses! The stock is limited, so if you want >to replace your old faded, cracked, or glued ones, or you're set is OK >but you want some spares, we suggest you get yours while supplies last! > >$45 each Not cheap, that's for sure. But they exist and that's something. My Series III was missing the entire lamps when I got it. It had old TLC tail lamps that stuck way out the sides of the vehicle--really cute! I replaced them with Euro-spec D90 tail lamps. Good enough for the Snark--a very rough beast! But I thought that these reproductions would be a nice discovery for the owner of a really cherry Series III, one who wants to keep it as original as possible. I think it's been a long time since these were last available. Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 14:12:03 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18796 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:12:03 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Range Rover Stepper Motor Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:19:02 -0800 Message-ID: <000801bf8545$55bdc140$dc05193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <000201bf848d$8ad60440$7500000a@kklaptop> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yeah. I bought one and that wasn't the problem at all. Want to buy a good used one??? Kelly Minnick > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org > [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org]On Behalf Of Kevin Kelly > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 9:02 AM > To: Mendo List > Subject: Range Rover Stepper Motor > > > Rob wrote: > > >Rangie needed a stepper motor??? so it would idle > >properly or something like that. > > Before you buy a new one pull it off and spray it with carb > and choke cleaner (a ton of black stuff should come out). I > have never heard of anyone needing to buy a stepper motor > unless they snapped it trying to get it off (it's plastic so > be careful). I have only had to clean mine once in 6 years > (I think it was John Brabyn who first told me how to clean > it). > > Kevin Kelly > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 14:49:14 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18856 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:49:14 -0500 Message-ID: <38C01A11.7A757A5@ski.org> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 12:01:21 -0800 From: John Brabyn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave References: <3.0.6.32.20000217121338.00828da0@mail.saber.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yes that would be Lynn Helm and Gordon Kallio. They did the Mojave Road one time in their Series vehicles. Great guys. Cheers John Brabyn Bob & Sue Bernard wrote: > Sounds like Lynn Helms from somewhere south of Oakland. > Usually had a boat anchor and chain wound onto the front bumper. > > Bob B > > At 12:11 PM 2/17/2000 -0700, you wrote: > >I have a question for people going on the Mojave trip. > > > >Might someone have room for a ride-along in addition to myself? > > > >My buddy Fred is a native Californian and long time desert rat now living in > >exile in central Indiana. He's a Land Rover fan, and although he doesn't > >own one now, he's the one who's mainly responsible for setting me on the > >slippery slope. Any chance we can get Fred a little Desert Therapy? > > > >He pointed out to me that the Mojave Road was where he was traveling with > >some friends when he met two guys in Series Land Rovers. I don't remember > >what types of trucks he said they had. One guy's name was Lynn, and the > >other, they never caught the given name of, but just adopted the name "dog > >dick" for him, because that was his favorite adjective, as in, "we're in the > >middle of dog-dick noplace". DD gave Fred the sage advice that if you own a > >LR you'd better at least have a friend who's a good LR mechanic, and > >although Lynn was a little strange, he was one heck of a mechanic! > > > >Anybody else run into these guys? Or able to offer Fred a ride? > > > >-Dave G. > > > >PS - One thing in Fred's favor....He did fly from Indiana to meet me in > >Sacremento and ride back with me to Colorado when I picked up the 109 from > >Zack. So, you can see, he's as demented as any of us...... > > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 15:52:18 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18945 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 15:52:18 -0500 Message-ID: <38C028DB.8F6A3118@ski.org> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 13:04:27 -0800 From: John Brabyn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: BMW - Land Rover References: <000e01bf81a8$f4f5c6e0$7500000a@kklaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Where is LRNA's off road driving school in CA? Cheers John Kevin Kelly wrote: > LRNA is giving a $750 discount on the Disco and $1,000 > discount of the Range Rover to BMW owners who buy a Land > Rover before May. You make your best deal at the dealer and > mail in the card and get the rebate directly from LRNA. > > LRNA is also giving two free hours of Off-Road driving > instruction at their schools in CA, VT and WV to BMW owners. > > Kevin Kelly From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 16:04:24 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18957 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:04:24 -0500 Message-ID: <38C02BB0.52C1BC3F@ski.org> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 13:16:32 -0800 From: John Brabyn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Range Rover Stepper Motor References: <000201bf848d$8ad60440$7500000a@kklaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yes Kevin is right, you can probably clean rather than replace. I broke my first one trying to force it to move while I was cleaning it -- so don't apply force. My RRs do a lot of desert duty and I found the dust got past the air cleaner and gummed up the stepper motor with monotonous regularity. Rovers that don't inhale much dust should do better, as Kevin's experience indicates. Good luck CHeers John Kevin Kelly wrote: > Rob wrote: > > >Rangie needed a stepper motor??? so it would idle > >properly or something like that. > > Before you buy a new one pull it off and spray it with carb > and choke cleaner (a ton of black stuff should come out). I > have never heard of anyone needing to buy a stepper motor > unless they snapped it trying to get it off (it's plastic so > be careful). I have only had to clean mine once in 6 years > (I think it was John Brabyn who first told me how to clean > it). > > Kevin Kelly From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 16:13:03 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18976 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:13:03 -0500 Message-ID: <38C02DB7.9246FB34@ski.org> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 13:25:11 -0800 From: John Brabyn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: R/R 3.9L engine noise References: <20000302153517.13065.qmail@web704.mail.yahoo.com> <001101bf8462$cbe1d660$e834cbcc@johnbenh> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Nice story John -- I too appreciate the dealers' expertise! I know they vary but in general they are worth the higher hourly rate! Cheers John "John R. Benham" wrote: > Mendos, > > For a few months now I've had a knocking noise in the `engine' that sounded > like a stuck lifter. Well it's been getting worse. I put on my mechanics > stethescope and could not pinpoint it anywhere in the engine area. It > sounded like it was coming from below. So I thought it might be a loose oil > intake bracket hitting against the crank. I did the standard backyard > mechanic voodoo stuff by changing oil; running 50/50 diesel/oil mixture then > changing to a 20/50 weight; adding additives; etc, etc,... > > Just like a tooth ache, I finally opted to get professional help. One local > Brit mechanic said it was a camshaft `inflow' situation where the cam hits > the timing gear cover. Well I decided to go higher up... > > As I pull into the shiney no-90wt parking lot of the perfect dealership, a > mechanic wearing white spotless overalls rushed out to greet me. After a > minute of listening, he said "sounds like your catalytic converter". I > crawled under the R/R with my stethsecope, and sure nuff, it was the > converter! He said "Sometimes they rattle when they get warm" and mine was > resting against the frame. He suggested that I loosen the engine and tranny > mounts and rotate the engine sligthly to get the converter off of the frame, > then the noise should go away as he illustrated by prying the converter away > from the frame... No charge. > > Kudos to the dealership! > > I'm happy! > > John B. > Spokane From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 16:24:31 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19007 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:24:31 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A36E@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mojave Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:27:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Yes that would be Lynn Helm and Gordon Kallio. They did the Mojave Road > one time > in their Series vehicles. Great guys. > What a small world! One of Gordon's buds from Wild Idaho Rovers had just sent his web site link to the D90 list this week. It's a neat site with lots of good pictures and entertaining stories. http://home.att.net/~townsend.wolfe/ I seem to remember something about one of them having some sort of vermin skull adorning the center of the bonnet mounted spare... :^) -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 16:39:32 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19022 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:39:32 -0500 Message-ID: <20000303213928.18837.qmail@web704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 13:39:28 -0800 (PST) From: KC Subject: Los Padres To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So, is anyone else going to Los Padres and do we have another trip leader if Tom can't make it? KC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 16:43:33 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19032 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:43:33 -0500 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 13:43:25 -0800 (PST) From: Alexander George Cooper Message-Id: <200003032143.NAA24095@saga3.Stanford.EDU> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: hunter ligget trip plan & directions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >So, I'm going to FHL/LPNF--who else is going? >I'm leaving Sat. AM from Shallow Alto? Want to redevous and caravan on down? >KC Mares I'm interested. I'm located about a block north of San Antonio and a block east of El Camino. Alexander From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 17:07:31 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19087 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 17:07:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200003032205.OAA27686@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 08:40:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: hunter ligget trip X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Just found out from my wife ( who talked to my sister ) that my dad may have to go in for a > serious operation some time next week or this weekend ( I was out > with my head in the 101 when my sister called ) > ... If so I may have to work this weekend, to make up for the time > ( new product schedules :(... ) > > I guess its definate he will need to go, its just when... > Since this is all preliminary and second hand, I wouldn't worry to > much about the trip just yet... Someone flamed me, and basically called me inconsiderate over this statement for worrying about wanting to go on the trip... when in reality I meant.... : You the trip members, "don't worry", go on the trip regardless of weather I'm there or not! I just worded stupidly as I had alot to worry about and wanted to give you early fair and considerate notice as well as attending to what I should do. jeesh! >but I felt a heads up was in order > Worst case is it happens early next week or this weekend....if so I go to Phx, > and someone else leads the trip... > > lets hope it all works out for the best. > > Thanks > TomW > *---------*---------* > "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers > "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" > tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 17:13:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19102 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 17:13:29 -0500 Message-ID: <16D03631929FD311BC5D009027D0CBB2175656@vegmail.ucdavis.edu> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: hunter ligget trip Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:16:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cynthia and I will definitely be there, either late tonight or early tomorrow at Naciemento Camp. -ROb -----Original Message----- From: Tom Walsh [mailto:tomw@best.com] Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 8:40 AM To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: hunter ligget trip > Just found out from my wife ( who talked to my sister ) that my dad may have to go in for a > serious operation some time next week or this weekend ( I was out > with my head in the 101 when my sister called ) > ... If so I may have to work this weekend, to make up for the time > ( new product schedules :(... ) > > I guess its definate he will need to go, its just when... > Since this is all preliminary and second hand, I wouldn't worry to > much about the trip just yet... Someone flamed me, and basically called me inconsiderate over this statement for worrying about wanting to go on the trip... when in reality I meant.... : You the trip members, "don't worry", go on the trip regardless of weather I'm there or not! I just worded stupidly as I had alot to worry about and wanted to give you early fair and considerate notice as well as attending to what I should do. jeesh! >but I felt a heads up was in order > Worst case is it happens early next week or this weekend....if so I go to Phx, > and someone else leads the trip... > > lets hope it all works out for the best. > > Thanks > TomW > *---------*---------* > "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers > "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" > tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 17:44:56 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19138 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 17:44:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200003032243.OAA21823@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:41:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: hunter ligget trip X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ok I talked to my mom this morning, My dad is at work ( duh! )! he has a benign tumor that needs to be removed ( they think ), and has been refered to a different specialist, that can perform the operation... ( its on his spine , which is the part that makes it delicate ) He hasn't even seen this specialist yet, but the outcome is probable ( I think ) ,as I stated before, its a matter of when, earliest is the end of next week... So the big question is this weekend... I am totally sleep deprived, the %$@ forward control will not start unless I prime it.... ( then it runs great! ) so its the series... or sleep, and I will need to travel towards the end of the week or the week after... I'm inclined to sleep at the moment TomW, trying times *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 20:06:58 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19243 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 20:06:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200003040110.RAA27383@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Majove trail directions? Ben? Date: Fri, 3 Mar 00 17:12:02 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Someone has a good description of the trail starting point cached. Ben is this you? I have an e-mail from someone wanting info to the starting point where the trail crosses the road. Would the people (person) who has the Majove trail trip info that includes finding the starting point please repost it? Thanks TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 20:23:13 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19255 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 20:23:13 -0500 From: Rovergo@aol.com Message-ID: <63.27fa456.25f1bf5c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 20:22:36 EST Subject: subscribe digest To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 62 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org subscribe digest From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 3 21:00:15 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19290 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 21:00:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200003040200.SAA07926@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Majove trail directions? Ben? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 03 Mar 2000 17:12:02 PST." <200003040110.RAA27383@blackie.cruzers.com> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 18:00:13 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200003040110.RAA27383@blackie.cruzers.com>you wrote: > Someone has a good description of the trail starting point cached. Ben is > this you? I have an e-mail from someone wanting info to the starting > point where the trail crosses the road. > > Would the people (person) who has the Majove trail trip info that > includes finding the starting point please repost it? http://www.fourfold.org/mendo_recce/Mojave.y2k Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 4 01:55:44 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19992 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 01:55:44 -0500 From: LRDino@aol.com Message-ID: <3b.1c976d3.25f20d4b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 01:55:07 EST Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #56 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 68 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Tom, Take Care of Dad we wish him a speedy recovery. Dino 95 5 speed Disco From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 4 02:28:10 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20023 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 02:28:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200003040728.XAA08229@blacker.gdbg.org> From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Hunter-Liggett Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 23:28:08 -0800 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It's looking like I'm going to have to bail on the trip. I need to be back by Sunday. And Laz (101) is refusing to let her brake lights or tail lights work. This is after she melted the panel light switch with a short and a bad ground on the left turn signal confused me by flashing both running lights. That confused me for 2 days. (the turn signal wires are routed through the hazard light switch...). I still need to swap the thermostat and install an oil pressure guage. And change the oil. Before I can think about driving that far for the first time. And we've had hail and a thunderstorm in LA and I'm not relishing the idea of laying in a cold puddle to get this done. There are odds that I could get it done and meet people around the campfire tomorrow night, but driving 4+ hours, talking for an few hours and then driving 4+ hours back so that I can be in LA by 11am on Sunday doesn't seem like a good idea right now. Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 4 10:03:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20276 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 10:03:25 -0500 Message-ID: <20000304150323.14089.qmail@web703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 07:03:23 -0800 (PST) From: KC Subject: Re: hunter ligget trip plan & directions To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org OK. Try my cell 650-906-5252 or CB 7. KC --- Alexander George Cooper wrote: > >So, I'm going to FHL/LPNF--who else is going? > > >I'm leaving Sat. AM from Shallow Alto? Want to redevous and caravan on > down? > >KC Mares > > I'm interested. I'm located about a block north of San Antonio and a block > east of El Camino. > > Alexander > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 4 11:05:55 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20380 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 11:05:55 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 08:01:23 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: john hess Subject: pockets Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sandy added his experiences with door panels, here' mine: Buy fiberboard at the hardware store and epoxy at the marine store. Cut the board to the proper size with map pocket cut out. Slather epoxy on the board, inside and out. Cover with material of your choice. Be warned that the epoxy makes standard staples bounce off. You need a good staple gun. Also, if you put too much stuff behind the pocket, your door skin will bulge out. Since I spent time on the AZ trip (thanks again TeriAnn) with David Walker (hey, haven't seen your sig file lately, how old is ALexander?), I've been using epoxy on my door panels and the Dormie headliner. cheers, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 4 19:48:19 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20610 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 19:48:19 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 16:44:03 -0800 To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com From: Russ Wilson Subject: Brian Foster Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Brian, Contact off the list. I got the phone # for the guy with the Saab. Russ and Leslie Wilson "Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains." -Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 4 22:14:57 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20654 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 22:14:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200003050314.TAA08893@blacker.gdbg.org> From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: 101FC on eBay Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 19:14:56 -0800 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This was just posted on the 101 List. For those looking for a 101: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=275463865 Bidding is currently at $5400. Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 5 00:14:53 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20911 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 00:14:53 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: pockets Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 21:21:59 -0800 Message-ID: <000201bf8662$bb19a400$7205193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I like aluminum from the A/C place. They will also bend up 'pockets' to rivet on. These do not warp/bend with water crossings or in humid climates. Much more permanent fix and really not that expensive. Kelly Minnick > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org > [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org]On Behalf Of john hess > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2000 8:01 AM > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: pockets > > > Sandy added his experiences with door panels, here' mine: > > Buy fiberboard at the hardware store and epoxy at the marine store. > Cut the board to the proper size with map pocket cut out. Slather > epoxy on the board, inside and out. Cover with material of your > choice. Be warned that the epoxy makes standard staples bounce off. > You need a good staple gun. Also, if you put too much stuff behind > the pocket, your door skin will bulge out. > > Since I spent time on the AZ trip (thanks again TeriAnn) with David > Walker (hey, haven't seen your sig file lately, how old is > ALexander?), I've been using epoxy on my door panels and the Dormie > headliner. > > cheers, > > > John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us > Land Rover Dormobile web pages: > http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html > 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" > 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 5 16:50:48 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22067 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 16:50:48 -0500 Message-ID: <20000305215047.17718.qmail@web704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 13:50:47 -0800 (PST) From: KC Subject: RE: Removing Disco Anti-sway bar To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks for the info. David. I tried it and it isn't bad, but think that I should remove the front as well, or the body sway will all try to through the front, causing twisting stress on the body. Any luck with finding those sway-bar quick disconect links? KC Mares --- "Gomes, David" wrote: > Best thing for you to do, KC is disconnect the links at the axle, flip the > bar back toward the rear bumper, tie it off with a bungie or something, > and > go for a ride. From what I hear, you won't notice much difference with > the > rear one removed. If you like it, remove the brackets and bushings from > the > frame, and drop the whole thing. Entire job, including the drive and > cleaning up, won't take more than 90 minutes. If you want to think about > a > QD (front or rear), I ran across this type that's cheaper than Fabitron > and > a cleaner installation, in my mind. No need to hitch the bar up when not > in > use..... Ahh crap! I lost the link. Gimme a minute.... > > -Dave G. > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 5 16:57:55 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22079 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 16:57:55 -0500 Message-ID: <20000305215753.2947.qmail@web705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 13:57:53 -0800 (PST) From: KC Subject: FHL/LPNF Trip Report--brief To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, 3 vehicles turned out for the Fort Hunter Liggett/Los Padres trip: Rob Kerner w/Cynthia, Alexander, and myself w/buddy Jake. Rob checked in with the Base commander to learn that the whole base was off limits to us due to ongoing excercises. So, we tried to explore one section of LPNF that had some potential only to arrive at a locked gate. So, Rob and Cynthia headed to visit relatives while Alexander and I went to explore Pismo Beach Dunes. We played around on the dunes for a few hours, had a lot of fun, did not get stuck, then headed home. We thought we would stop, camp, and tour Hollister Hills Sunday, but, after dinner, we were tired and decided to head home. That's the brief trip report from me on this trip. KC Mares __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 5 17:59:52 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22113 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 17:59:52 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000305145540.007f2bc0@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 14:55:40 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: RE: Removing Disco Anti-sway bar In-Reply-To: <20000305215047.17718.qmail@web704.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org KC, After you remove the front one, you ought to be quite careful about exiting off the freeway very fast the first few times. My earlier experience with and without front anti sway bar (on a different make vehicle) was a lot of understeer on the offramps. Almost dangerous. Bob B At 01:50 PM 3/5/2000 -0800, you wrote: >Thanks for the info. David. I tried it and it isn't bad, but think that I >should remove the front as well, or the body sway will all try to through >the front, causing twisting stress on the body. > >Any luck with finding those sway-bar quick disconect links? >KC Mares > >--- "Gomes, David" wrote: >> Best thing for you to do, KC is disconnect the links at the axle, flip the >> bar back toward the rear bumper, tie it off with a bungie or something, >> and >> go for a ride. From what I hear, you won't notice much difference with >> the >> rear one removed. If you like it, remove the brackets and bushings from >> the >> frame, and drop the whole thing. Entire job, including the drive and >> cleaning up, won't take more than 90 minutes. If you want to think about >> a >> QD (front or rear), I ran across this type that's cheaper than Fabitron >> and >> a cleaner installation, in my mind. No need to hitch the bar up when not >> in >> use..... Ahh crap! I lost the link. Gimme a minute.... >> >> -Dave G. >> >> >> >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 5 21:34:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22196 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 21:34:27 -0500 To: lro@playground.sun.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cc: Britpac@aol.com Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 18:34:34 -0800 Subject: British Pacific spared!!!!! Message-ID: <20000305.183435.-261329.6.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4,8-17 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks: I was just watching a rerun of Drew Carey, when they broke in with some breaking news: a Southwest Airlines 737 ran off the runway at Burbank (Ca.) Airport, and crashed through the perimeter fence, and into the Chevron station at the corner of Hollywood Way, and Burton Ave. - 6 DOORS DOWN FROM BRITISH PACIFIC!!!!!!! Steve - better expect broken windows caused by all the noise! Charles ...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! 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From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 5 23:36:17 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22219 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 23:36:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200003060435.UAA25692@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 20:33:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: FHL/LPNF Trip Report--brief X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org based off my inside information this was purposely done by someone within the rover community , thats all I can ( and ever will ) say at this point I'm sorry for your waste of time Tomw, last message > Well, 3 vehicles turned out for the Fort Hunter Liggett/Los Padres trip: Rob > Kerner w/Cynthia, Alexander, and myself w/buddy Jake. > > Rob checked in with the Base commander to learn that the whole base was off > limits to us due to ongoing excercises. So, we tried to explore one section > of LPNF that had some potential only to arrive at a locked gate. So, Rob and > Cynthia headed to visit relatives while Alexander and I went to explore > Pismo Beach Dunes. > > We played around on the dunes for a few hours, had a lot of fun, did not get > stuck, then headed home. We thought we would stop, camp, and tour Hollister > Hills Sunday, but, after dinner, we were tired and decided to head home. > > That's the brief trip report from me on this trip. > KC Mares > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 5 23:59:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22260 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 23:59:00 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000305210016.009554d0@flex.com> X-Sender: jhong@flex.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 21:00:16 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: John Subject: a little excitement in Burbank? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I hear a Southwest jet had some problems landing in Burbank and ended up running off the end of the runway (no serious injuries) and into a chevron station? Hmmm...wonder if this is the one near British Pacific? Wonder if the oil companies use this as an excuse to raise gas prices some more? John ps evidently the Brown & Williamson Tobacco Corporation has a funny haha recorded message at 1-800-578-7453. (they serenade you :) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 00:05:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22316 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 00:05:29 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A386@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Removing Disco Anti-sway bar Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 22:08:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Any luck with finding those sway-bar quick disconect links? > KC Mares > Sorry, KC. I've done a couple web searches but no luck yet. Let me ask the D90 guys if anybody else saved the link when I sent it around there. -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 00:42:14 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22926 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 00:42:14 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000305194947.00aa9100@hgea01.hgea.org> X-Sender: ogilvi@hgea01.hgea.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 19:49:47 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie Subject: RE: Sway bars resist body lean but severely limit articulation. In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000305145540.007f2bc0@mail.saber.net> References: <20000305215047.17718.qmail@web704.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Front sway bars cause understeer, rear swaybars cause oversteer. Understeer is normally considered a safer condition for uninitiated, non enthusiast drivers. Personally, I love oversteer. Nothing so much fun as hanging the back out in a series, not rover, of S's. For many years, no cars came with rear sway bars and only a few with front bars. MGA's, for one, did not come stock with sway bars even though designed to be driven, not pointed. Severe body lean will be the most obvious result without sway bars. Disconcerting but not a big limit to cornering ability. Problem without sway bars is rapid side loadings where the suspension has to overcome the momentum of the leaning body work. Get a side to side oscillation going and the truck could go over. For offroad, sway bars limit articulation...Bad!!! On road, sway bars limit roll...Good!!! Either drive within the vehicle's limits on the road or disconnect the sway bars when going off road. My compromise is to steal my wife's turbo SAAB for on road fun and the parabolic sprung 88 for off road. Aloha Peter At 02:55 PM 3/5/00 -0800, you wrote: >KC, >After you remove the front one, you ought to be quite careful about exiting >off the freeway very fast the first few times. My earlier experience with >and without front anti sway bar (on a different make vehicle) was a lot of >understeer on the offramps. >Almost dangerous. > >Bob B > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 01:08:19 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22944 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 01:08:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200003060607.WAA23325@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 22:05:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: FHL/LPNF Trip Report--brief X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Also, > Rob checked in with the Base commander to learn that the whole base was off > limits to us due to ongoing excercises. I checked to make sure it was open for us ( and for others via another channel... and the last report was that it was open ). I think even the hunters were thinking the same thing ( open season on pig all year round ). Very odd, almost conflicting eh? Especially given the size of the base and small quantity of reservists, and full timers who could ever possibly be on it at one time. So, we tried to explore one section > of LPNF that had some potential only to arrive at a locked gate. It would be my suggestion: NEVER go down there again, never hold a club trip there. It is closed to all of you. I repeat do not waste your time there.. It is all gated. it is all shut off. If you do go, maybe you will get in trouble now. The LPNF trip is cancelled for all time ( anytime ). Next on the list is Mendo??........ I guess...., Maybe envirinmentalists will hear about it..or something like that.. or some senator swayed, who knows. Soon you'll have to own vast quantities of private land to four wheel...., well out of reach of most people I guess. This dramatization by: TomW *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 01:25:13 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22956 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 01:25:13 -0500 From: SFmms@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 01:24:38 EST Subject: Re: Jet lands near BP To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org << Hmmm...wonder if this is the one near British Pacific? >> Yup, (See earlier message from Charles Irvin). Glad I didn't plan to make my lunchtime run there tomorrow. Should tease them about their attempt to get a door to door delivery. Thank goodness there were no major injuries. Karen Sindir '74 SII 88 Red Rufy '95 Disco EFE '66 SIIa 88 - Not Red Rufy 2, still working on a name From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 01:47:50 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22971 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 01:47:50 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: "Mendo" Subject: plastic welder Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 22:55:05 -0800 Message-ID: <000801bf8738$e73e4780$5105193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anybody out there know what a Matco Tools APW100 airless plastic welder is worth (used). You can write me off-line. Later, Kelly Minnick From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 09:43:56 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA23458 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:43:56 -0500 Message-ID: <000201bf877a$678fcb20$7500000a@kklaptop> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: LRNA Driving School Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 06:26:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John B. wrote: >Where is LRNA's off road driving school in CA? They have two: N. Cal is near Bodega Bay (where the TReK competition was held) S. Cal is in the San Bernardino Mountains, near Big Bear. Kevin Kelly From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 09:50:07 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA23486 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:50:07 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A389@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo'" Subject: FW: [D90] sway bar disconnects Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 07:52:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Here you go, KC. Luckily one of the guys from the D90 list had saved the link I'd sent around! I'm a believer in keeping the bars for on-road driveability. About 30 miles of my 40 mile commute is on a 50mph mountain highway that's pretty twisty. I don't even want to try it without the bars. IMHO, there are some good solutions out there to have your cake and eat it too, so why compromise any additional safety margin that can be there if it's needed when some jerk pulls out in front of me, or cuts me off on an icy road? But, that's just me. Lots of guys pull the bars, and learn to live with it. Just a personal choice. -Dave G. > From: "Shane Ballensky" > > Here you goooo! > http://www.sunperformance.com/newproducts.html > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gomes, David > To: 'D90' > Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 9:21 PM > Subject: [D90] sway bar disconnects > > > > From: "Gomes, David" > > > > Okay, now I need to hit you all up for something. Did anybody save the > > website I sent around a few weeks back about the sway bar disconnect > that > > went in the center of the bar? For some reason, I can't find it in my > > favorites, and I have a friend on another (Mendo) list that wants to > > consider them. > > > > Did anybody save that link, or the E-mail? If you could send me the > link, > > I'd sure appreciate it. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dave G. > > > > PS had a nice time at Chuque's today. Good thing we didn't ride the > bikes > > down though! > > > > > > Post message : d90@onelist.com > > Subscribe : d90-subscribe@onelist.com > > Unsubscribe : d90-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > URL : http://www.onelist.com/group/d90 > > > > > > > Post message : d90@onelist.com > Subscribe : d90-subscribe@onelist.com > Unsubscribe : d90-unsubscribe@onelist.com > URL : http://www.onelist.com/group/d90 > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 10:09:40 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23545 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:09:40 -0500 Message-ID: <16D03631929FD311BC5D009027D0CBB2175658@vegmail.ucdavis.edu> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: FHL/LPNF Trip Report--brief Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 07:13:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I talked with Range Control and he said there was a lot going on, and only one range was open, and that ended up having a locked gate. The base did seem rather busy, with two helicopters loading taking off and coming back, along with one of those cargo planes where people jump out the back. -Rob -----Original Message----- From: Tom Walsh [mailto:tomw@best.com] Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 10:06 PM To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: FHL/LPNF Trip Report--brief Also, > Rob checked in with the Base commander to learn that the whole base was off > limits to us due to ongoing excercises. I checked to make sure it was open for us ( and for others via another channel... and the last report was that it was open ). I think even the hunters were thinking the same thing ( open season on pig all year round ). Very odd, almost conflicting eh? Especially given the size of the base and small quantity of reservists, and full timers who could ever possibly be on it at one time. So, we tried to explore one section > of LPNF that had some potential only to arrive at a locked gate. It would be my suggestion: NEVER go down there again, never hold a club trip there. It is closed to all of you. I repeat do not waste your time there.. It is all gated. it is all shut off. If you do go, maybe you will get in trouble now. The LPNF trip is cancelled for all time ( anytime ). Next on the list is Mendo??........ I guess...., Maybe envirinmentalists will hear about it..or something like that.. or some senator swayed, who knows. Soon you'll have to own vast quantities of private land to four wheel...., well out of reach of most people I guess. This dramatization by: TomW *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 11:39:44 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23672 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:39:44 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A38E@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'lro@playground.sun.com'" , "'mendo'" Subject: RE: Smiles and Woes Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:42:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I don't remember where, but someone was asking about a source for Lucas Flame Thrower lamps. I stumbled across this today: They are dear, though. http://www.mossmotors.com/britishaccessories/bacpdfs/exterior.pdf I stumbled across this while looking for a source for Waxoyl (for those not inclined to melt toilet rings on the Coleman stove....pansys!) Does anyone know of a source for Waxoyl in the US? -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 11:42:43 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23698 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:42:43 -0500 Message-ID: <16D03631929FD311BC5D009027D0CBB217565B@vegmail.ucdavis.edu> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Smiles and Woes Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:46:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I am pretty sure Mini mania carries it. Http://www.minimania.com Rob -----Original Message----- From: Gomes, David [mailto:David.Gomes@us.gambro.com] Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 8:43 AM To: 'lro@playground.sun.com'; 'mendo' Subject: RE: Smiles and Woes I don't remember where, but someone was asking about a source for Lucas Flame Thrower lamps. I stumbled across this today: They are dear, though. http://www.mossmotors.com/britishaccessories/bacpdfs/exterior.pdf I stumbled across this while looking for a source for Waxoyl (for those not inclined to melt toilet rings on the Coleman stove....pansys!) Does anyone know of a source for Waxoyl in the US? -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 12:59:43 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23793 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:59:43 -0500 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: <76.1f765f7.25f54bed@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:59:09 EST Subject: Re: Smiles and Woes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/6/00 8:44:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, kerner@vegmail.ucdavis.edu writes: > (for those not > inclined to melt toilet rings on the Coleman stove....pansys!) Does anyone > know of a source for Waxoyl in the US? Hows about, if I were to melt em (new ones only) and we'll get Charles to deliver? Thus we'll save the UPS haz-Mat fees, and get to see Charles who can tell us the real deal on the Southwest / British Pacific Merger. Zack From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 13:06:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23806 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:06:00 -0500 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:55:55 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Smiles and Woes In-Reply-To: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A38E@RCEXS2> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I am pretty sure I got mine from Moss Motors. Do they not carry it? On Mon, 6 Mar 2000, Gomes, David wrote: > I don't remember where, but someone was asking about a source for Lucas > Flame Thrower lamps. I stumbled across this today: They are dear, though. > > http://www.mossmotors.com/britishaccessories/bacpdfs/exterior.pdf > > I stumbled across this while looking for a source for Waxoyl (for those not > inclined to melt toilet rings on the Coleman stove....pansys!) Does anyone > know of a source for Waxoyl in the US? > > -Dave G. > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 13:09:54 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23816 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:09:54 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A392@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: waxoyl Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:13:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I am pretty sure I got mine from Moss Motors. Do they not carry it? > I shook the e-trees there pretty hard and came up empty. Maybe a phone call would do better. Mini mania had it on the site. -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 13:25:22 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23830 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:25:22 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000306102707.0084b430@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:27:07 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: BP "special" on 4" amber lenses Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Monday, 6 March 2000 >Back In Stock: Series IIA, III 4" Amber Turn Signal Lenses >NAS models '69 -'74 >[sales pitch snipped] >$59 each Glad I don't need 'em at that price. In fact, it makes me think I should remove mine and put 'em in the safe! Those are lousy lamps and I plan to eventually use something better, maybe the round amber lamps that were used on the later NAS D90s. Cheers, Granny PS I'm glad BP was spared! There are photos of the incident on BP's daily special page. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 13:42:09 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23857 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:42:09 -0500 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: <28.2a26aaa.25f555e4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:41:40 EST Subject: Re: BP "special" on 4" amber lenses To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/6/00 10:26:38 AM Pacific Standard Time, gpool@pacific.net writes: > Those are lousy > lamps and I plan to eventually use something better, maybe the > round amber lamps that were used on the later NAS D90s. > Something to think about is a trick I saw on one of our brethrens 109s'. The PO had cut holes in the rear panels and installed the rubber grommeted lamps from the rear of a commercial truck. These are sealed lamps which are replaceable at any truck stop and are shock insulated as well. They are DOT approved for those who care, and could easily be put into a shallow sheet aluminum box for those who don't wish to put in holes. Decidedly not-stock though. Zack From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 13:53:58 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23876 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:53:58 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000306105541.0085aa30@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:55:41 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: RE: Smiles and Woes (non-LR) In-Reply-To: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A38E@RCEXS2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave Gomes wrote: >I don't remember where, but someone was asking about a source for Lucas >Flame Thrower lamps. I stumbled across this today: They are dear, though. Yikes! I guess it should make me glad I don't have a vintage British sports car any more, but it doesn't--I'm hopeless. But it does give me pangs for the pair of Lucas PL tripod headlamps and pair of amber fog Lucas Twinlamps I let go on my XK-150 when I sold it (in '77). I had the fogs mounted on a badge bar because the original apron mounts were not usable due to a slightly bent bumper. If I'd been able to keep and restore the Jag, my plan was for the fogs to go down to the apron and for the badge-bar mounts to accommodate a pair of those flame thrower spots. Geez, in those days, those lamps were not expensive. Wistfully, Granny who still wants another old Jag (maybe a Mk IV or SS saloon)... From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 13:59:55 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23886 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:59:55 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000306110137.0084fea0@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 11:01:37 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Truck Lamps, was Re: BP "special" on 4" amber lenses In-Reply-To: <28.2a26aaa.25f555e4@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Zack wrote: >Something to think about is a trick I saw on one of our brethrens 109s'. The >PO had cut holes in the rear panels and installed the rubber grommeted lamps >from the rear of a commercial truck. These are sealed lamps which are >replaceable at any truck stop and are shock insulated as well. They are DOT >approved for those who care, and could easily be put into a shallow sheet >aluminum box for those who don't wish to put in holes. Decidedly not-stock >though. Those truck lamps are great and very durable. My first LR, a Series II 88, had some really ugly tail lamps hacked in with crude holes, in addition to the stock lamps. I replaced the hack-job ones with the truck lamps you mention. Looked pretty san-o. My second LR was a late IIA 88. On it, I removed the nearly useless rectangular back-up lamps and replaced them with the rubber truck lamp rings. But instead of using the relatively lame plastic truck lamp back-up units, I used the standard 4" tractor sealed-beam (glass) flood units instead. I'd learned that those pop right into those rubber rings. Some of our older road graders at work have back-up lamps like that, too. And you can now get halogen units that fit these. Their being mounted loose in the rubber rings also allows you to "aim" them as well. Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 14:04:52 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23898 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:04:52 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000306110636.0085a7e0@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 11:06:36 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Re: Truck Lamps, was Re: BP "special" on 4" amber lenses In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000306110137.0084fea0@pacific.net> References: <28.2a26aaa.25f555e4@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I meant to mention in my previous posting that for those who wish to consider those truck lamps for tail lamps, they are now available in LED versions. Put out a v. strong light and supposed to last nearly forever. Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 14:28:01 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23913 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:28:01 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A396@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Smiles and Woes (non-LR) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:31:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...They are dear, though...." I know what you mean Granny. A look at the price made me think of going home tonight and dusting off the boxes of the pair I have, in original packaging, waiting for the 120 to be ready for them. Got my valves and guides for the 109" diesel from Ray last week, so it's all up to me now to get the bulkhead done and get her back together in time for your birthday party. Wish me luck -Dave G. PS - an old dizzy I had lying around from a Mk. 2 will be firing Tom Gross's NADA 2.6 Dormie afore long. Watch out for him overtaking at Jebeke speed! If the 120 part had worked out for him, I could have given him a repro plaque like the XKs carried saying something about " this car is an exact replica of the car that reached the speed of ###.## at Jebeke, Belgium on -date-" a nice conversation piece addition to the Dormie that would have been! From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 14:53:10 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23949 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:53:10 -0500 Message-ID: <00c501bf87a5$defdecc0$90faa2cd@890> From: "Blair Gillespie" To: "mendo" Subject: Dunsfold trust Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:54:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Good morning, Starting to get the parts for the series 1. Does anybody have the Dunsfold Trust web page or email? For those people who have a series 1 has anybody come up with a good parts supplier for original items? Blair From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 15:08:20 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23975 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:08:20 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A39A@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Dunsfold trust Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:11:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Starting to get the parts for the series 1. Does anybody have the > Dunsfold Trust web page or email? > Is this what you're after, Bill: http://www.dunsfold.com/ -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 15:09:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23985 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:09:25 -0500 X-Sender: studios@cwnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Michael Carradine Subject: Re: Dunsfold Trust Message-Id: <20000306200923.EEPH18806.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:09:24 -0800 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 11:54 AM 3/6/00 -0800, Blair wrote: >Good morning, > Starting to get the parts for the series 1. Does anybody have the >Dunsfold Trust web page or email? > For those people who have a series 1 has anybody come up with a good >parts supplier for original items? You might consider asking the series1 mailing list for this and other inquiries. To join, write to majordomo@landrover.net with the words in the text: subscribe series1 -Michael Carradine 1950 80" From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 15:18:07 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24011 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:18:07 -0500 Message-ID: <00e601bf87a9$64bb9120$90faa2cd@890> From: "Blair Gillespie" To: References: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A39A@RCEXS2> Subject: Re: Dunsfold trust Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:20:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org What a dork I am. I tried everything except the obvious. Shaking his head, Blair From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 15:26:48 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24030 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:26:48 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A39B@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Dunsfold trust Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:30:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...I tried everything except the obvious...." :^) lessee.... www.buggeredrover.com......no..... www.sillysods.com.....no...... www.mothballed.com......oh my, that's not it!...... Hmm.....better check Mendo before I get myself into trouble!...... BTDT - Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 15:44:57 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24072 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:44:57 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000306124620.00990da0@flex.com> X-Sender: jhong@flex.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 12:46:20 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: John Subject: Dunsfold... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: "Blair Gillespie" > Starting to get the parts for the series 1. Does anybody have the >Dunsfold Trust web page or email? www.dunsfold.com gets you to the official site. www.roverstuff.com/dunsfold/home.htm has a little bit of info www.dunsfold.co.uk gets you some local color. Regards John (in digest mode) ps It is no longer the Dunsfold Trust, but now the Dunsfold Collection. I guess the UK government didn't okay the trust tax status. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 6 23:12:22 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24392 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 23:12:22 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000306181946.00ab2610@hgea01.hgea.org> X-Sender: ogilvi@hgea01.hgea.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 18:19:46 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie Subject: RE: Name that distributor In-Reply-To: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A396@RCEXS2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In tearing up my storage shed looking for a misplaced part, I came across a distributor. Its smaller in size, at least shorter, than the Lucas four cylinder distributor and the vacuum advance is different and the line exits upwards. Would this be a six cylinder dizzy by any chance??? Someone donated a lot of miscellaneous rover parts to me years ago and this dizzy came with that lot. Bearings seem to be good but it sure is dirty. Aloha Peter >PS - an old dizzy I had lying around from a Mk. 2 will be firing Tom Gross's >NADA 2.6 Dormie afore long. Watch out for him overtaking at Jebeke speed! From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 00:14:48 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24612 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 00:14:48 -0500 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: <26.2b209cd.25f5ea23@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 00:14:11 EST Subject: Re: Name that distributor To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/6/00 8:26:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, ogilvi@hgea.org writes: > Would this be a six cylinder dizzy by any chance??? Did we happen to count cam lobes? Zack From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 00:36:48 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25097 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 00:36:48 -0500 X-Sender: studios@cwnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Michael Carradine Subject: Re: Name that distributor Message-Id: <20000307053646.TBJB18806.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 21:36:46 -0800 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Aloha Peter wrote: >> Would this be a six cylinder dizzy by any chance??? Zack replied: >Did we happen to count cam lobes? I was going to suggest counting the wires on the cap, but decided to suppress the impulse (something about being kinder in the new millennium ;) -Michael From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 00:42:31 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25107 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 00:42:31 -0500 Message-ID: <002301bf87f5$d34dece0$783377d8@delllap> From: "Paul Archibald" To: References: <20000307053646.TBJB18806.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> Subject: Re: Name that distributor Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 21:27:22 -0800 Organization: P. A. Design X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Michael, Peter's no bonehead! He doesn't have the cap, but the lobes are a dead givaway.....Pete? Paul > Aloha Peter wrote: > >> Would this be a six cylinder dizzy by any chance??? > Zack replied: > >Did we happen to count cam lobes? > > I was going to suggest counting the wires on the > cap, but decided to suppress the impulse (something > about being kinder in the new millennium ;) > > -Michael > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 01:36:41 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25174 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 01:36:41 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000306204400.00ab9350@hgea01.hgea.org> X-Sender: ogilvi@hgea01.hgea.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 20:44:00 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie Subject: Re: Name that distributor In-Reply-To: <002301bf87f5$d34dece0$783377d8@delllap> References: <20000307053646.TBJB18806.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mahalo for the vote of confidence, Paul. Indeed there is no cap. Its a strange looking thing that sits on a 4" or so 'tower' while the distributor part is quite compact. The cam has four lobes so assume that makes it a four cylinder dizzy. Never occurred to me to count the lobes since I've only worked on four cylinder engines. When I went out to check the dizzy came across the Solex carb that was on the 109 when I bought it. If it was the original carb, it has less than 30,000 miles on it. It worked for a very short time after I bought the truck but probably was not working when I switched over to the 2 barrel Weber 10 years ago. Anyway, if anyone has to have a Solex, will let it go for postage and handling. Aloha Peter At 09:27 PM 3/6/00 -0800, you wrote: >Michael, > Peter's no bonehead! > >He doesn't have the cap, but the lobes are a dead givaway.....Pete? > >Paul From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 02:02:38 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25187 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 02:02:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200003070702.XAA16729@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 23:00:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Serious One updates... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Hi All, > > There's lots more to come, but for those interested, I have some pics up on > my Seerious One page. > > http://www.DreamLab.CC/s1/seriousone.html Been, meaning to get around to this.. Whats Tims reachability, does he have E-mail ? I'm interested in putting a more powerful four banger V6 or small V8 in the series III ( along with upgrading any components that need it due to power increase ) within the spring to summer timeframe... I have 24 splined HD axles and ARBS in rear and stock but ARBed front, which may be sufficeint... as I'm not looking for a hot rod... But gearbox T-case???? I'd like either fuel injected or diesel, and the ability to drive with traffic flow up large hills... A full cage and possibly a fuel cell and decent sliders ... May this is work for Doug Shipman?? What do ya think TomW *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh,.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 02:52:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25214 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 02:52:29 -0500 To: lro@playground.sun.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org, british-cars@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 23:51:15 -0800 Subject: looking through wrecking yards again... Message-ID: <20000306.235117.-261329.19.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3,5-6,15-16,19-20,22-23,25-30,39-40,43-44,46-53 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Didn't find any Land Rovers/Range Rovers in any wrecking yards today, BUT - for those interested, the U-Pick Parts - Foreign, in Sun Valley (California) has: 2 TR-7's, one with complete engine, the other minus the carbs/intake manifold. Both are hardtops, and have VERY nice bodies on them. 4 (yes - FOUR) Austin Taxis! All are parked side-by-side: two are later types ('60's-onwards), and the other two appear to be late-'40's/'50's models, with more squarer, and taller bodywork. All have engines: two are diesels, one petrol, the 4th (one of the much older ones) had a Chevy 350 w/auto trans stuffed into it! All 4 are RHD, of course. Mainly body/mechanical stuff left - they're pretty beat up: there's a 5th one there, but it's "mounted" on their fence, along with things like half-tracks, Deucey fuel trucks/prop tractor/trailers from "Tank Girl", and other misc. odd cars. (they're collecting small planes now, too...) 1 Humber Super Snipe - STATION WAGON!!!!!!! Body is in VERY good condition, I think it had a few dings, but nothing major (sad to see it there), and pretty much all the glass is still there, too. There's another yard that has a Ford Cortina GT Mk.2 that's missing the engine - but otherwise complete, a '66 or so MGB missing passenger seat/cylinder head/steering rack, but otherwise still had original paint/aluminum bonnet/etc. AND: a COMPLETE ROVER SD-1 w/5-SPEED LT-77 GEARBOX!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'll divulge the location of this yard tomorrow eve, AFTER I have picked what I want off this car (EVERYTHING is still there: guess none of my fellow SD-1 friends have spotted it yet...the engine is immaculate - like somebody took extremely good care of it, it has a NEW brake master/late (Vitesse) booster Koni's on the rear, and I have sitting in my diningroom (I forgot my toolbox at home - which is why I'm going back in the morning) a PERFECT steering wheel! The car hasn't got a scratch on it, let alone rust, and apparently was donated to some charity that didn't want it! (tag inside the windshield) ...and I was in Land Rover mode this morning...was gonna hit up a few "commercial" vehicle wrecking yards, in the search for a Ramsey 20,000-30,000lb winch (why didn't I ever think of this before???). And I still have to call Stewart Warner about that diesel turbine heater that I found in a bakery truck... Charles "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 10:40:20 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26219 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:40:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 07:35:07 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: john hess Subject: where's the Land Rover version? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, The Sac Bee today has an ad that surely should be of interest to, say, Eric or Ben or Tom. Track Kit drive kit for wet snow/soft cond. Fits any 8 hole pattern vehicle with 9/16 bolts Set of 4 tracks, hardly used $15K 209 748 5839 or email isilvas@softcom.net A small photo shows a tank track style on each wheel. Imagine the mud you could run, the snow you could cross! Too bad about the bolt pattern. good morning and cheers, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 10:42:11 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26229 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:42:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200003071546.HAA21951@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: Serious One updates... Date: Tue, 7 Mar 00 07:47:18 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Whats Tims reachability, does he have E-mail ? Timm has e-mail but he is not an e-mail type of person. This means he may eventually get around to reading it but do not count on him replying. Best to reach him by phone. He is a late sleeper so best to call after 9:30 AM He is listed in www.overlander.net under service companies, Oregon. In case you do not want to look for his listing, 541-535-3685 > >I'm interested in putting a more powerful four banger V6 or small V8 >in the series III ( along with upgrading any components that need it >due to power increase ) within the spring to summer timeframe... 8*) Go for a small block GM V8 & you might consider a NV4500 transmission which provides a respectable 6.35 low ratio and a .73 overdrive in a five speed configuration. If you decide on fuel injection, Timm can do this but is not real fast with electronic stuff. >A full cage and possibly a fuel cell and decent sliders ... Look under Timm's 88 for sliders that work. Since your shock absorbers limit your rig's articulation you might consider the shock mount mods I have been writing about off & on. >May this is work for Doug Shipman?? I personally think Doug is the better for repairs & maintenance type things & Timm is the best for radical fabrication jobs. > >What do ya think Sounds interesting. Plan to get in Timm's que at least 4 months before you want to get the work done. He is a busy boy. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 11:47:30 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26320 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:47:30 -0500 X-Sender: studios@cwnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: rro@playground.sun.com From: Michael Carradine Subject: Yikes! - Door handle breaks!! Cc: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Message-Id: <20000307164726.CUBG18806.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 08:47:26 -0800 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Something seemed to be up as I was loading the last of the ground coffee into the drip filter... Sure enough, I try to get into the driver's door on the RR when the rectangular door latch breaks off!! Good morning! Can't even get into the RR - have to crawl across the passenger side to open it from the inside. Hope I don't get into a crash or plunge off a bridge into water with a samaritan trying to open the door from the outside. Dealer has to order the assembly, $120, says it's not a fun job taking the interior door panel off. Shouldn't this item be covered by a lifetime warranty? Certainly it seems more important than an emissions item. Anyone have a spare driver's exterior door handle assembly? I didn't think so :( -Michael '89 RR Walnut Creek, CA near San Francisco PS- Compared to the brushed aluminum, the black door handles on most Disco's look slick. Let's see, 4 assemblies at $120 .... Nah! From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 11:56:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26380 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:56:08 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000307085504.0084da00@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 08:55:04 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Re: where's the Land Rover version? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Track Kit drive kit for wet snow/soft cond. Fits any 8 hole pattern >vehicle with 9/16 bolts Set of 4 tracks, hardly used $15K [snip] >Too bad about the bolt pattern. Sounds like Mattracks. I recall reading that they are "only" $15K a set, brand new, and are available for Land-Rovers. I'll bet that a new set could even be custom ordered for the 6-bolt pattern of the LR 101FC. I must admit, I think that a 101FC with Mattracks would make a v. handsome sight! Hmmm, picture Tom's FC with Mattracks on it and on the Rubery-Owen trailer as well... Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 12:18:53 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26523 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:18:53 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:12:32 -0800 Subject: Re: Yikes! - Door handle breaks!! Message-ID: <20000307.091554.-261329.23.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4,6-42 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm not positive BUT - it would appear that the front door handles on the Rangie came off of, say, a TR-7? Charles On Tue, 7 Mar 2000 08:47:26 -0800 Michael Carradine writes: > > Something seemed to be up as I was loading the last of the > ground coffee into the drip filter... > > Sure enough, I try to get into the driver's door on the RR > when the rectangular door latch breaks off!! Good morning! > Can't even get into the RR - have to crawl across the > passenger side to open it from the inside. Hope I don't > get into a crash or plunge off a bridge into water with a > samaritan trying to open the door from the outside. > > Dealer has to order the assembly, $120, says it's not a fun > job taking the interior door panel off. Shouldn't this > item be covered by a lifetime warranty? Certainly it seems > more important than an emissions item. > > Anyone have a spare driver's exterior door handle assembly? > I didn't think so :( > > -Michael > > '89 RR > > Walnut Creek, CA > near San Francisco > > PS- Compared to the brushed aluminum, the black door handles > on most Disco's look slick. Let's see, 4 assemblies at $120 > .... Nah! > > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 12:23:39 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26547 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:23:39 -0500 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: <88.15a6805.25f694f4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:23:00 EST Subject: Re: where's the Land Rover version? To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/7/00 7:42:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us writes: > Track Kit drive kit for wet snow/soft cond. Fits any 8 hole pattern > vehicle with 9/16 bolts Set of 4 tracks, hardly used $15K 209 748 > 5839 or email isilvas@softcom.net > > A small photo shows a tank track style on each wheel. > > Imagine the mud you could run, the snow you could cross! Too bad > about the bolt pattern. > Anybody wants to spend $15K changing their beloved 88" or 109" into a Rice Harvester, I'll tackle the wheel center problem for them. Zack From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 12:31:14 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26581 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:31:14 -0500 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:30:36 EST Subject: Re: Yikes! - Door handle breaks!! To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/7/00 8:48:40 AM Pacific Standard Time, cs@landrover.net writes: > > Anyone have a spare driver's exterior door handle assembly? > I didn't think so :( > Try Alfa Parts Exchange, and the door panel is a snap to get off. Zack From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 12:49:38 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26605 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:49:38 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01bf885d$9019a8c0$ed34cbcc@johnbenh> From: "John R. Benham" To: References: <20000307164726.CUBG18806.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> Subject: Re: Yikes! - Door handle breaks!! Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:50:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Michael writes: > Dealer has to order the assembly, $120, says it's not a fun > job taking the interior door panel off. It's not too bad of a job. 1. Snap the plastic lock cover out carefully - it's easy to break the small plastic tabs. 2. Inside the door pull is a small oval plastic snap cover - a very small bladed screw driver will up-snap ti to give access to and remove the hidden screw. 3. Use a large bladed screwdriver to un-snap the press-on panel snaps starting bottom up. 4. As the panel is removed, you have to un-do the speaker wires - hopefully you're a contortionist or have another person to assist... 5. A clear plastic cover sheet is taped on the edges - carefully remove that then you should have complete inner door access. While there, might as well clean the door lock solenoid plug contacts since they invaribly they get dirty causing intermittentent function. Good luck! John B. Spokane Shouldn't this > item be covered by a lifetime warranty? Certainly it seems > more important than an emissions item. > > Anyone have a spare driver's exterior door handle assembly? > I didn't think so :( > > -Michael > > '89 RR > > Walnut Creek, CA > near San Francisco > > PS- Compared to the brushed aluminum, the black door handles > on most Disco's look slick. Let's see, 4 assemblies at $120 > .... Nah! > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 13:35:30 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26713 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:35:30 -0500 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:25:22 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Yikes! - Door handle breaks!! In-Reply-To: <20000307.091554.-261329.23.cirvin1258@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yes, and Austin Marina, and I imagine several other British vehicles. On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Charles R Irvin wrote: > I'm not positive BUT - it would appear that the front door handles on the > Rangie came off of, say, a TR-7? > > Charles > > On Tue, 7 Mar 2000 08:47:26 -0800 Michael Carradine > writes: > > > > Something seemed to be up as I was loading the last of the > > ground coffee into the drip filter... > > > > Sure enough, I try to get into the driver's door on the RR > > when the rectangular door latch breaks off!! Good morning! > > Can't even get into the RR - have to crawl across the > > passenger side to open it from the inside. Hope I don't > > get into a crash or plunge off a bridge into water with a > > samaritan trying to open the door from the outside. > > > > Dealer has to order the assembly, $120, says it's not a fun > > job taking the interior door panel off. Shouldn't this > > item be covered by a lifetime warranty? Certainly it seems > > more important than an emissions item. > > > > Anyone have a spare driver's exterior door handle assembly? > > I didn't think so :( > > > > -Michael > > > > '89 RR > > > > Walnut Creek, CA > > near San Francisco > > > > PS- Compared to the brushed aluminum, the black door handles > > on most Disco's look slick. Let's see, 4 assemblies at $120 > > .... Nah! > > > > > > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, > where all the women are strong, > all the men are good-looking, > and all the children, are above average." > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 15:33:45 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27823 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:33:45 -0500 Message-ID: <20000307203224.19035.qmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:32:24 -0800 (PST) From: joe mulqueen Subject: british car swap meet To: mendo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello & FYI, Mini Mania in Milpitas, CA (near San Jose) is having their anual British car parts swap meet this Sunday, 3-12. They are also having a 10% discount on counter sales. Their website: minimania.com JoeM '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 17:57:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27949 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 17:57:37 -0500 Date: 7 Mar 2000 14:57:27 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org X-Sender: web79245@dreamlab.cc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Yikes! - Door handle breaks!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Michael, If you can't find one locally, I know that Shipman has several on a wrecked Range Rover in his back lot. 503-252-5566 Good luck! Michael Slade Portland, Oregon www.DreamLab.cc From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 18:50:39 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28069 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:50:39 -0500 Message-ID: <000201bf8890$00ad78a0$7500000a@kklaptop> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Range Rover Door Latches Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:30:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Michael Carradine: >Sure enough, I try to get into the driver's door on the >RR when the rectangular door latch breaks off!! >Good morning! Can't even get into the RR - have >to crawl across the passenger side to open it from >the inside. Send an e-mail to: shaneab@jps.net He just sent me the e-mail below today: Thank you in advance for the information on cleaning out the power seat switches. It's refreshing to see that there ARE some do-it-yourself Range Rover owners..............my driver's door outer handle was torn -- the shiny metal handle part itself -- so you couldn't open the door from the outside. The mostly-stripped Rover at the junkyard didn't have a front door anymore, but the back door was trashed, and the guy was happy to sell me the rear door handle assembly instead. The handle itself is the same for both doors, and swapping out the broken piece was a pretty straightforward job (pressing out the hinge pin with a punch and prying up a small clip). Now I have a working front door, and I'm sure it worked out to be less expensive than it would have been if I'd had to purchase a front handle assembly (with lock) and either tried to swap out the handle or get it re-keyed. Figured that someone somewhere would appreciate the info -- mine can't be the only Rover that's ever had the front door handle sheared in two, and the previous owner never fixed it because he said that Range Rover wanted $200 just for the part, and more to install it. Kevin Kelly P.S. The Range Rover door handles are the same as the ones on the Austin Kimberly and Morris Marina from the early 70's and the Lotus Esprit Turbo from the early 80's. Someone mentioned that the TR7 may also have them. Let me know if anyone finds out if the TR7 handles fit for sure. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 19:38:36 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28163 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 19:38:36 -0500 From: StevHutch@aol.com Message-ID: <33.22a57fd.25f6fae6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 19:37:58 EST Subject: LED Truck tail lights To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 39 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was thinking the same thing , having seen those generic LED tailights on some semi-trucks recently....Anyone know where one could locate them..?? - Steve Hutchins Granny wrote: << I meant to mention in my previous posting that for those who wish to consider those truck lamps for tail lamps, they are now available in LED versions. Put out a v. strong light and supposed to last nearly forever. >> From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 19:38:36 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28164 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 19:38:36 -0500 From: "Worldwide Rovers" To: Subject: Series 1 parts Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 16:33:18 -0800 Message-ID: <000501bf8895$e6a8f3c0$062664d8@com.humboldt1.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <200003061953.OAA23956@guinness.ovlr.org> Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Blair..... Before you send off to the UK, call me at 707-268-0215 (or work 800-925-2422 , weekdays 6:15am to 1:00pm). I may have the part and I am anxious to get rid of a lot of my parts because we are putting everything into storage. Our house sold and our move didn't pan out. Clark Bowen From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 20:06:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28191 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 20:06:04 -0500 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: <6a.ee287e.25f70156@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 20:05:26 EST Subject: Re: LED Truck tail lights To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/7/00 4:40:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, StevHutch@aol.com writes: > I was thinking the same thing , having seen those generic LED tailights on > some semi-trucks recently....Anyone know where one could locate them..?? > Some are available from guys like Northern Hydraulic, or similar catalogue discounters, but they also are available from the next truck stop you drive by. I get mine at a better parts house where they have a big display. Zack From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 21:05:30 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28219 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 21:05:30 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: LED Truck tail lights Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:12:57 -0800 Message-ID: <000101bf88a3$d21b1420$d205193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <33.22a57fd.25f6fae6@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Truck stops have them too. Kelly Minnick > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org > [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org]On Behalf Of StevHutch@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 4:38 PM > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: LED Truck tail lights > > > I was thinking the same thing , having seen those generic LED > tailights on > some semi-trucks recently....Anyone know where one could locate them..?? > > - Steve Hutchins > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 21:11:31 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28229 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 21:11:31 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Yikes! - Door handle breaks!! Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:18:59 -0800 Message-ID: <000301bf88a4$a9d9caa0$d205193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org What is Doug Shipman's phone # / e-mail. I'm looking into rebuilding my 3.9 and would like some advice... Later, Kelly Minnick > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org > [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org]On Behalf Of Michael Slade > Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 2:57 PM > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: Re: Yikes! - Door handle breaks!! > > > Michael, > > If you can't find one locally, I know that Shipman has several on > a wrecked > Range Rover in his back lot. > > 503-252-5566 > > Good luck! > > > Michael Slade > Portland, Oregon > www.DreamLab.cc > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Mar 7 22:48:52 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28281 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 22:48:52 -0500 To: mikedenman@earthlink.net, lro@playground.sun.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org, british-cars@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 19:44:16 -0800 Subject: Re: looking through wrecking yards again... Message-ID: <20000307.194418.-261329.32.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-6,8-9,13-24 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Okay... Several people asked me about some of the cars I spotted yesterday... The SD-1, the Cortina, and the MGB were all in the Pick Your Part in Sun Valley, at the corner of Glenoaks, and Pendleton. There's also a late model XJ-6 there: engine and trans are gone, as is most of the interior, but the body/suspension is all there. All I grabbed off the SD-1, was the Konis', the fan/fan clutch, the interior door panels (only 3 there, but they were immaculate! Still can read the 1979 build date on the backs of them!), and the radiator - because it had recently been done. Would be a shame to let the remainder of it go...VERY clean engine! BTW - of the 4 taxis - the two older ones were FX-2's! Charles "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 8 00:46:28 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28959 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 00:46:28 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000307214541.006afab0@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 21:45:41 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Doug Shipman, was RE: Yikes! In-Reply-To: <000301bf88a4$a9d9caa0$d205193f@minnick> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >What is Doug Shipman's phone # / e-mail. I'm looking into rebuilding my 3.9 >and would like some advice... Ships Mechanical Services, Inc. 503-252-5566 Fax 503-252-0412 12741 NE Whitaker Way Portland, OR 97230 Home: Doug and Jean Shipman 945 NE 188th Portland, OR 97230 No e-mail, as far as I know. Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 8 00:54:41 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28970 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 00:54:41 -0500 Date: 7 Mar 2000 21:54:28 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org X-Sender: web79245@dreamlab.cc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: 3.9 rebuild Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >What is Doug Shipman's phone # / e-mail. I'm looking into rebuilding my 3.9 >and would like some advice... Later, > >Kelly Minnick Kelly, I recently opted to upgrade to a balanced and blueprinted 4.2 rather than rebuild my 3.9. You can call me tomorrow if you want to talk about it. 503-329-6800 (cell) Doug did all the work and it's turned out awesome. Anyway, the story is much to long for an e-mail, so if you're interested.... Later, Michael Slade Portland, Oregon www.DreamLab.cc From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 8 01:58:13 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28995 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 01:58:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200003080658.WAA13339@smtp.Stanford.EDU> X-Sender: waycool@popserver.stanford.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 22:55:27 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: waycool@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rich Lee MD) Subject: FHL Trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org KC, Sorry I couldn't get free to meet up with you guys anyway. Thanks for offering to leave me a note at base camp. Must have been cold & wet, ideal Mendo trip weather. TomW Hope things go OK with the family Illness. FWIW, I appreciate the effort/hassle/frustration/FC101 gasoline fumes you went through to try to pull this trip off. Rich From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 8 10:39:10 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29678 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:39:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200003081543.HAA22330@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Serious I Date: Wed, 8 Mar 00 07:44:17 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I recently opted to upgrade to a balanced and blueprinted 4.2 rather than >rebuild my 3.9. >Michael Slade Gee Michael I can tell you are getting serious about the serious I. 4.2 in the lightest frame/body of the bunch...... TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 8 11:00:09 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29705 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:00:09 -0500 Date: 8 Mar 2000 08:00:07 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org X-Sender: web79245@dreamlab.cc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Serious I Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >>I recently opted to upgrade to a balanced and blueprinted 4.2 rather than >>rebuild my 3.9. > >>Michael Slade > >Gee Michael I can tell you are getting serious about the serious I. 4.2 >in the lightest frame/body of the bunch...... > > >TeriAnn Actually, the 4.2 went in the Range Rover. The big pig needed a little more oomph. Hehe. Michael Slade Portland, Oregon www.DreamLab.cc From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 8 13:39:11 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29912 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 13:39:11 -0500 Message-ID: <20000308183736.8461.qmail@web206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:37:36 -0800 (PST) From: joe mulqueen Subject: 88 4sale in P.A. To: mendo Cc: Kent Douglas , Randy Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org FYI........ The "'67" 88 station wagon (with addl truck cab & tailgate) owner has lowered the price to meet my old (and now expired) $4200 offer. The owner's crotchedy mother is performing the sale. I'm going back to "reluctantly" look at it again (and also the station wagon top for the first time). If anyone is possibly interested in this truck - let me know. Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 8 15:01:40 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30141 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:01:40 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000308120326.00850210@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 12:03:26 -0800 To: mendo_recce From: Granville Pool Subject: Cool 1/18 scale model--today's BP special Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Wednesday, March 8, 2000 New Product 1/18th Scale Die Cast Eagle die cast Series III 109" Regular Measuring a whopping 9" long and weighing in at a stout 2 lbs., these scale replicas are packed with detail! These super models are a great bargain at only... $29.95! Check out the web page for more details. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 8 15:31:58 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30216 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:31:58 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A3C8@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Cool 1/18 scale model--today's BP special Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 13:35:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks Granny! The diesel motor was the clincher! I ordered a marine blue P/U and a hard top. Now I can play with the toys when it's too nasty out to work in the garage, and the Special Edition Barbie dolls Cheryl collects a few of will have something to drive! -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 8 17:09:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30275 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:09:08 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000308141053.007c9bb0@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 14:10:53 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: RE: Cool 1/18 scale model--today's BP special In-Reply-To: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A3C8@RCEXS2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org DaveG wrote: >The diesel motor was the clincher! I ordered a marine blue P/U and a hard >top. Now I can play with the toys when it's too nasty out to work in the >garage, and the Special Edition Barbie dolls Cheryl collects a few of will >have something to drive! I ordered the bronze green 109 military ragtop. This will expand my collection of 1/18th-scale models which so far consists of a Jag XK-180 and a Tucker Torpedo. I love the detail these big models can have. Makes me feel a little better that I could not afford to buy the incredible Pocher d'Italia models when they were so reasonable, years ago. If you're into car models and want to see some of the best, check out the works of Gerald and Phyllis Wingrove (vintage cars, mostly) at: http://members.xoom.com/wingrove1/index2.html http://earth.vol.com/~augie/carsthumbwingrove1.html The first listed link is the Wingroves's own site. The second is a model site with a page featuring Wingrove but with some other good stuff as well. If you're into "Special Edition" Barbies, check out the Trailer Trash Barbies at http://www.trailertrashdoll.com/ They have Drag Queen Barbies, too! For obvious reasons, they've had to stop calling them "Barbies." Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 8 17:24:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30287 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:24:37 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:22:36 -0800 Subject: Re: Cool 1/18 scale model--today's BP special Message-ID: <20000308.142237.-261329.41.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-7,10-11,13-64 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I can't help but get into this one... for a REAL collection of toy cars, check out this cool little place I found during my walkabout in Brussels, last September: www.modelshop.be Charles P.S. I saw those Land Rover toys at BP yesterday - VERY cool, but as with real 109's, they don't steer for s#@t! I may end up getting the tan 109 hardtop...looks alot like Gillian... On Wed, 08 Mar 2000 14:10:53 -0800 Granville Pool writes: > DaveG wrote: > > >The diesel motor was the clincher! I ordered a marine blue P/U and > a hard > >top. Now I can play with the toys when it's too nasty out to work > in the > >garage, and the Special Edition Barbie dolls Cheryl collects a few > of will > >have something to drive! > > I ordered the bronze green 109 military ragtop. This will expand my > collection of 1/18th-scale models which so far consists of a Jag > XK-180 and > a Tucker Torpedo. I love the detail these big models can have. > Makes me > feel a little better that I could not afford to buy the incredible > Pocher > d'Italia models when they were so reasonable, years ago. > > If you're into car models and want to see some of the best, check > out the > works of Gerald and Phyllis Wingrove (vintage cars, mostly) at: > > http://members.xoom.com/wingrove1/index2.html > http://earth.vol.com/~augie/carsthumbwingrove1.html > > The first listed link is the Wingroves's own site. The second is a > model > site with a page featuring Wingrove but with some other good stuff > as well. > > If you're into "Special Edition" Barbies, check out the Trailer > Trash > Barbies at > > http://www.trailertrashdoll.com/ > > They have Drag Queen Barbies, too! For obvious reasons, they've had > to > stop calling them "Barbies." > > Cheers, > > > Granny > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 8 17:26:58 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30298 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:26:58 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A3CE@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Cool 1/18 scale model--today's BP special Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:30:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm not sure which gave me a worse case of the chills, Wingrove's incredible models, or Trailer Trash Barbie! -Dave G..... From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 8 19:02:10 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30361 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:02:10 -0500 To: lro@playground.sun.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 16:01:49 -0800 Subject: Ever have one of those days - Pt. 2... Message-ID: <20000308.160150.-261329.42.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-5,8-11,13-23 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This is especially for Dave G., or Diesel Bob: I decided to go out this afrernoon (since the weather hasn't been co-operating with any of my other plans), and replace the injector pump on my 109 (diesel). Get the old one off, get ready to put new one on, and I have this brainstorm of an idea: "Hey - how 'bout I check the pump timing while I'm at it?" So, I remove the timing mark cover, and guess what? NO POINTER! I recall that Dave had to buy one as well...did you get one for a petrol engine - or is the diesel pointer specific? >From somebody that needs to know. Thanks, Charles "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 8 20:10:46 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30437 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 20:10:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200003090110.RAA24145@blacker.gdbg.org> From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Mojave Rd Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 17:10:44 -0800 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I wasn't paying attention to the planned Mojave Road trip since I wasn't planning on attending. But now I'm thinking of going for at least Saturday and Sunday. Who is in charge? Where (in Needles or at the trail head--I don't need directions just the locatation) and when is the starting point? I figure this should be a good shakedown trip for the 101. Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Mar 8 22:07:26 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30479 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 22:07:26 -0500 Message-ID: <38C71464.368CA61C@slip.net> Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 19:03:00 -0800 From: Jeremy Bartlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo recce Subject: NCRC Members in LRW Photo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Apparently Matt Ross's article appears in the May issue. However, April'sl just arrived and I happened to glance at the last photo page ("F Stop") and had to take a second look. The vehicles looked a bit familiar as did some terrain. It seems to be Chris Dow driving the 110 followed by Regent then Spot (?) Jeremy From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 01:28:56 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA31312 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 01:28:56 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: 88 4sale in P.A. Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 22:36:28 -0800 Message-ID: <000601bf8991$ccda8740$4505193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <20000308183736.8461.qmail@web206.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Have interest, just too many of them! :) If I didn't have a Saab 96 engine to rebuild and a 3.9L R.Rover engine to rebuild, and an interest in Pinzgauers, I would at least look at it... Oh, and the BMW 533i that's begging to be bought! Later, Kelly Minnick > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org > [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org]On Behalf Of joe mulqueen > Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 10:38 AM > To: mendo > Cc: Kent Douglas; Randy Williams > Subject: 88 4sale in P.A. > > > FYI........ > > The "'67" 88 station wagon (with addl truck cab & > tailgate) owner has lowered the price to meet my old > (and now expired) $4200 offer. > The owner's crotchedy mother is performing the sale. > I'm going back to "reluctantly" look at it again (and > also the station wagon top for the first time). If > anyone is possibly interested in this truck - let me > know. > > Joe Mulqueen > '67 SIIA 109 SW > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 03:32:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA31338 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 03:32:00 -0500 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 00:31:52 -0800 (PST) From: Alexander George Cooper Message-Id: <200003090831.AAA20667@epic4.Stanford.EDU> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: FHL Trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have set up a page with some pictures from the FHL trip at this URL: http://63.195.181.180/Alex/lr/index.html I also have some pictures from the two trail clearing trips and the LPNF/FHL recce but these are not up yet. I will add them when I have time. Alexander From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 10:02:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31681 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:02:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200003091506.HAA04144@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: Mojave Rd Date: Thu, 9 Mar 00 07:07:39 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I guess I'm championing the trip since I have been the only one mentioning it lately. The plan is to follow your directions from http://www.fourfold.org/mendo_recce/Mojave.y2k Current meeting place is where the trail crosses Needles Rd. Mojave Road crosses Needles Rd. 16.2 miles from needles. There is a small (1.5 foot) rock cairn on the trail on the side of the road. N 35d 03.125', W 114d 40.552' or UTM: 11S E0711967 N3881290 Turn left onto the Mojave Road We currently plan to start from that location at 9AM Saturday. I and possibly others will be camping on the trail near the intersection Fri night. There are motel rooms in Needles for those who would like one last night in a real bed and a morning shower. I'm looking forward to see one of your 101 collection. > I wasn't paying attention to the planned Mojave Road trip since I >wasn't planning on attending. But now I'm thinking of going for at least >Saturday and Sunday. Who is in charge? Where (in Needles or at the trail >head--I don't need directions just the locatation) and when is the starting >point? > > I figure this should be a good shakedown trip for the 101. > >Ben > TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 10:15:30 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31719 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:15:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200003091519.HAA04603@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Mar 18-19 Majove Rd not-a-trip Date: Thu, 9 Mar 00 07:20:39 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "LRO list" , "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The March into madness Majove Not-A-Trip (TM) The Majove trail is an early covered wagon trail that brought settlers West through the Majove desert into Southern California. This is an easy camping trip along a historic trail through scenic South West desert country. This is a no host trip that is open to all with an off road capable 4X4. We will be treading lightly as this is a very delicate ecosystem. Fri Mar 17 Those who want to camp near trailhead for the night Sat Mar 18 Leave trailhead at 9:00 AM Sun Mar 19 We are done when we are done, probably mid late afternoon. There are camp sites near by if anyone wants to spend the night & go home Monday. Meeting place (9:00AM): Majove Road crosses Needles Rd. 16.2 miles from needles. There is a small (1.5 foot) rock cairn on the trail on the side of the road. N 35d 03.125', W 114d 40.552' or UTM: 11S E0711967 N3881290 Turn left onto the Majove Road Directions from earlier trip (Thanks Ben) http://www.fourfold.org/mendo_recce/Majove.y2k See ya there! TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 10:40:30 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31741 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:40:30 -0500 Message-ID: <022701bf89db$8c16a280$14d0efd1@delllap> From: "Paul Archibald" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20000308120326.00850210@pacific.net> Subject: Re: Cool 1/18 scale model--today's BP special Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:24:21 -0800 Organization: P. A. Design X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Look on ebay! Someone is already selling one for ....$34.00 so far... they are already going up. good thing I bought the tan regular and the green soft-top. ;-) I guess I should keep them in the package like all the other collectors, but they are going on the desk at the new job tomorrow! paul ----- Original Message ----- From: Granville Pool To: mendo_recce Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 12:03 PM Subject: Cool 1/18 scale model--today's BP special > Wednesday, March 8, 2000 > > New Product > 1/18th Scale Die Cast > Eagle die cast Series III 109" Regular > Measuring a whopping 9" long and weighing in at a stout 2 lbs., these scale > replicas are packed with detail! > These super models are a great bargain at only... $29.95! > > Check out the web page for more details. > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 12:06:59 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31876 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:06:59 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE05A3E0@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mojave Rd Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:10:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org For the record I'll be there with two friends and a Toy 4-runner. Possibly another friend with a full size P/U. Camping @ the start of the trail Friday night per Ben's instructions. Looking forward to meeting more Mendo friends in person, and to seeing the 101 in action. Ben, let us know if you need someone to caravan out with. My friend Jamie with the 4-runner lives in West Covina, about 5 mi off the 10 fwy (Citrus Exit). Thanks, TAW, for taking the lead. -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 12:09:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31886 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:09:29 -0500 Message-ID: <00b001bf89e8$61f92880$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20000308120326.00850210@pacific.net> <022701bf89db$8c16a280$14d0efd1@delllap> Subject: Re: Cool 1/18 scale model--today's BP special Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 06:56:15 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Look on ebay! > Someone is already selling one for ....$34.00 so far... > These things first appeared in January's LRO magazine. With shipping they were 57$ from England. They have been appearing on ebay since that time. There is one version, a gold hardtop made special for the heritage trust museam, only 2000 of them made. The yellow AA hardtop is sweet. Haven't seen a diesel engine in any though as one email mentioned. Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 12:14:39 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31896 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:14:39 -0500 Message-ID: <00ba01bf89e9$1d341100$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: <200003090831.AAA20667@epic4.Stanford.EDU> Subject: Sightings Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:01:29 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Aloha, just back from the western regional rifle & pistol matches held at Ft Huachuca, AZ. Saw a white D90 w/out the top out side of post and a light blue (very faded) 109 5 door and a green D90 hardtop in Tucson. Plus the normal assortment of Disco's and Rangies. Made the mistake of thinking that Arizona was warm year round, had to go out and buy a bunch of cold weather gear first day there to keep from freezing my but off. 50 during the day....brrrrrrr. Was sure nice to walk of the ramp back in Oahu ;-) Later Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 12:50:24 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31914 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:50:24 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 09:49:30 -0800 Subject: Re: Sightings Message-ID: <20000309.094932.-261329.53.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-28 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Pete, didja make it over to Davis-Monthan?? On Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:01:29 -1000 "Peter Hope" writes: > Aloha, > just back from the western regional rifle & pistol matches held at > Ft > Huachuca, AZ. Saw a white D90 w/out the top out side of post and a > light > blue (very faded) 109 5 door and a green D90 hardtop in Tucson. > Plus the > normal assortment of Disco's and Rangies. > Made the mistake of thinking that Arizona was warm year round, had > to go out > and buy a bunch of cold weather gear first day there to keep from > freezing > my but off. 50 during the day....brrrrrrr. Was sure nice to walk > of the > ramp back in Oahu ;-) > Later > Pete > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 12:50:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31919 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:50:29 -0500 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:40:24 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sightings In-Reply-To: <00ba01bf89e9$1d341100$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, Peter Hope wrote: > Made the mistake of thinking that Arizona was warm year round, had to go out > and buy a bunch of cold weather gear first day there to keep from freezing > my but off. 50 during the day....brrrrrrr. Was sure nice to walk of the > ramp back in Oahu ;-) 50 is cold? My buddy who works on top of Mauna Kea thinks that is warm for Hawaii. In my part of Arizona, there is 6 inches of snow on the ground. James From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 13:07:01 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31952 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:07:01 -0500 Message-ID: <00dc01bf89f0$6454d220$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: Subject: Re: Sightings Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:53:32 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > 50 is cold? My buddy who works on top of Mauna Kea thinks that is warm > for Hawaii. > 50 was the daytime high and yes that was cold. Got down to 30-35 at night, that was unbearable. And this from someone who spent 22 years in Maine, lol. > In my part of Arizona, there is 6 inches of snow on the ground. Thunder Mt had snow on top. We had a couple of guys who had never been off island before, so it was kinda funny to watch their expressions when we arrived and were waiting on the ramp for transport. Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 13:10:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31977 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:10:27 -0500 Message-ID: <00e201bf89f0$dd5d5160$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: <20000309.094932.-261329.53.cirvin1258@juno.com> Subject: Re: Sightings Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:56:55 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Pete, > > didja make it over to Davis-Monthan?? > We only had one down day and used that to buy guns (Hawaii has some of the strictest laws in the nation) but we did drive around DM. Boy I would love to spend a day or two walking around that place. Saw a bunch of plastic wrapped A-10's and I think some F-15's near the freeway, plus all the other birds. Really cool place. Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 13:19:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31997 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:19:00 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000309101555.007c2940@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 10:15:55 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: Sightings In-Reply-To: <00dc01bf89f0$6454d220$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org When I was still working for IBM, We would attend classes in Dallas or Atlanta. The guys who came over from Hawaii had no cold weather clothes so IBM bought some topcoats for them to borrow for their stay. Bob B At 07:53 AM 3/9/2000 -1000, you wrote: >> 50 is cold? My buddy who works on top of Mauna Kea thinks that is warm >> for Hawaii. >> >50 was the daytime high and yes that was cold. Got down to 30-35 at night, >that was unbearable. And this from someone who spent 22 years in Maine, >lol. > >> In my part of Arizona, there is 6 inches of snow on the ground. >Thunder Mt had snow on top. We had a couple of guys who had never been off >island before, so it was kinda funny to watch their expressions when we >arrived and were waiting on the ramp for transport. >Pete > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 13:33:43 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32017 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:33:43 -0500 Message-ID: <01E1F0FA698CD111949200A0C99DD2EE1B375E@atoll.esri.com> From: Tom Gross To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Mojave trip Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:34:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I just wanted to send a public thanks to Dave Gomes for his help in getting my 109 running sweetly again. Perhaps you folks noticed that Dave traded me a distributor for an inner steering column and recirculating nut. What you didn't know was that Dave personally picked up the steering column and then personally delivered the distributor. This necessitated his driving about 300 extra miles for each exchange - a much appreciated effort - perhaps mitigated by the company of 3 other characters he was able to travel along with on the first trip out from LA. It looks as if I'll be going out on the Mojave not-a-trip on Friday afternoon. I'm planning to leave Redlands via I-10, head towards Palm Springs, then go up through Twentynine Palms out to Amboy, Goffs, and Needles. For anyone headed out by the same route on Friday, my place would be a good spot for meeting up for travel out as a group. Let me know. Thanks again, Dave Tom Gross From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 13:54:18 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32043 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:54:18 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CD859@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Cc: "'Beltran, Fred'" Subject: RE: Mojave trip Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:57:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...Perhaps you folks noticed that Dave traded me > a distributor for an inner steering column and recirculating nut...." > >From my POV, that's not quite accurate as it implies a quid pro quo arrangement. This was not the case. Tom volunteered the ($200 retail) steering column to me, asking nothing in return. I was just glad that chance allowed me to compensate him in some close-to-like manner for his generosity. Keepin' it real, here in Mendo-list-land. I can't believe my good fortune in finding you all. -Dave G. PS- Tom, we'll see about hooking up, as Jamie, Fred, and I will definitely be coming right by your place sometime on Friday. > ---------- > From: Tom Gross[SMTP:tgross@esri.com] > Reply To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 11:34 AM > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: Mojave trip > > I just wanted to send a public thanks to Dave Gomes for his help in > getting > my 109 running sweetly again. Perhaps you folks noticed that Dave traded > me > a distributor for an inner steering column and recirculating nut. What > you > didn't know was that Dave personally picked up the steering column and > then > personally delivered the distributor. This necessitated his driving about > 300 extra miles for each exchange - a much appreciated effort - perhaps > mitigated by the company of 3 other characters he was able to travel along > with on the first trip out from LA. > > It looks as if I'll be going out on the Mojave not-a-trip on Friday > afternoon. I'm planning to leave Redlands via I-10, head towards Palm > Springs, then go up through Twentynine Palms out to Amboy, Goffs, and > Needles. For anyone headed out by the same route on Friday, my place > would > be a good spot for meeting up for travel out as a group. Let me know. > > Thanks again, Dave > > Tom Gross > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 16:40:14 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32152 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:40:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200003092140.NAA26026@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org cc: "LRO list" Subject: Re: Mar 18-19 Majove Rd not-a-trip In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 09 Mar 2000 07:20:39 PST." <200003091519.HAA04603@blackie.cruzers.com> Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 13:40:12 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200003091519.HAA04603@blackie.cruzers.com>you wrote: > Directions from earlier trip (Thanks Ben) > http://www.fourfold.org/mendo_recce/Majove.y2k One slight correction since web browsers are picky: http://www.fourfold.org/mendo_recce/Mojave.y2k Ben -- Benjamin Smith Land Rover '72 SIII 88", '94 Discovery 5-Spd bens@gdbg.org '73 RHD & '76 LHD 101 Forward Controls "..If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entries from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. He'd drive it up the Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..." --Kevin Archie From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 18:07:36 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32248 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 18:07:36 -0500 Message-ID: <000401bf8a1c$3ef00d20$7500000a@kklaptop> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Models and More Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:25:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Someone posted about a model at BP today and it reminded me that I just got some spam from a model car company about their updated web site today. I have bought about a dozen cars from EWA for my nephews (tons of models for good prices), but I have never gone to their web site. Wow, it is an impressive site in addition to tons of Land Rover models (I did a keyword search for Land Rover) it has stuff like Camel Trophy videos and even some 101 FC manuals!! Kevin Kelly EWA now has a new website. Visit http://ewacars.com/ and let us know what you think about it. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 21:53:20 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32354 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 21:53:20 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000309170051.00abf810@hgea01.hgea.org> X-Sender: ogilvi@hgea01.hgea.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 17:00:51 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie Subject: Re: Sightings In-Reply-To: References: <00ba01bf89e9$1d341100$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ah yes its cold on Mauna Kea, after all its only 13.5 thousand feet ASL, but!!! You don't need to feel sorry for your Mauna Kea Buddy. Within a half hour he can be frolicking in the surf with a temp of 80 degrees, 360 days a year. Of course Its a dry cold in Aridzona, I know!!! Aloha Peter Kona Coffee Rover >50 is cold? My buddy who works on top of Mauna Kea thinks that is warm >for Hawaii. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 22:00:34 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32364 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 22:00:34 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000309170812.00ab98b0@hgea01.hgea.org> X-Sender: ogilvi@hgea01.hgea.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 17:08:12 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie Subject: Re: Sightings In-Reply-To: <00dc01bf89f0$6454d220$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org BTDT. First time I went to visit my parents in Kalamazoo was after moving to the Islands was at Thanksgiving. Got on the plane in shorts and an aloha shirt. It never occurred to me that things aren't always sunny and 80 degrees everywhere in the world. Got off in Kalamazoo in a snowstorm. Thought I was going to freeze to death getting to the car. We had a couple of guys who had never been off >island before, so it was kinda funny to watch their expressions when we >arrived and were waiting on the ramp for transport. >Pete > > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Mar 9 22:07:20 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32377 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 22:07:20 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000309190415.00822de0@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 19:04:15 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: Sightings In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000309170812.00ab98b0@hgea01.hgea.org> References: <00dc01bf89f0$6454d220$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On A similar note, In the summer time the sun shines 100 percent of the time in Silicon valley so when I went to Washington DC for classes, I would never think to bring an umbrella or raincoat. Bob B At 05:08 PM 3/9/2000, you wrote: >BTDT. First time I went to visit my parents in Kalamazoo was after moving >to the Islands was at Thanksgiving. Got on the plane in shorts and an >aloha shirt. It never occurred to me that things aren't always sunny and >80 degrees everywhere in the world. Got off in Kalamazoo in a snowstorm. >Thought I was going to freeze to death getting to the car. > > > We had a couple of guys who had never been off >>island before, so it was kinda funny to watch their expressions when we >>arrived and were waiting on the ramp for transport. >>Pete >> >> >> >> > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 00:08:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA32501 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 00:08:04 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000309210702.006b7948@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 21:07:02 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Re: Models and More In-Reply-To: <000401bf8a1c$3ef00d20$7500000a@kklaptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I have bought about a dozen cars from EWA for my nephews >(tons of models for good prices) Including those Eagle 1/18th LR Series III models that BP had on special for $29.95; EWA had them for $26.00. Oh, well... Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 01:20:49 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA00615 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 01:20:49 -0500 Message-ID: <000001bf8a57$351c53e0$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: <3.0.1.32.20000309170812.00ab98b0@hgea01.hgea.org> Subject: Re: Sightings Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 19:25:54 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > BTDT. First time I went to visit my parents in Kalamazoo was after moving > to the Islands was at Thanksgiving. Got on the plane in shorts and an > aloha shirt. It never occurred to me that things aren't always sunny and > 80 degrees everywhere in the world. Got off in Kalamazoo in a snowstorm. > Thought I was going to freeze to death getting to the car. LOL, wasn't that bad. We flew by 130 so had my gortex on. Funny coming back though, everyone scrambling to get all the cold weather gear off on the ramp at Hickham with sun and 80+ degrees. Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 06:56:09 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA00866 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 06:56:09 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 03:47:42 -0800 Subject: Re: Mojave trip Message-ID: <20000310.035519.-261329.57.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,5-12 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm planning another attempt at a Saturday intercept - maybe Sunday... Tim from BP plans on attending with his Lightweight, too! Ron @ Fabricor (maker of racks/etc. for BP) is considering attending: he has this customers' truck at his disposal at the approval of the owner, who may/may not attend as well. Charles "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 06:56:06 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA00861 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 06:56:06 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 03:54:08 -0800 Subject: Re: Sightings Message-ID: <20000310.035519.-261329.60.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,5-6,8-28 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Fear not Pete: Kalifornia is a close second these days... Charles P.S. Shoulda made it over to the north end of the field...3 Spectres! (most likely going someplace they shouldn't be in - but this is speculation only...:) On Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:56:55 -1000 "Peter Hope" writes: > > Pete, > > > > didja make it over to Davis-Monthan?? > > > We only had one down day and used that to buy guns (Hawaii has some > of the > strictest laws in the nation) but we did drive around DM. Boy I > would love > to spend a day or two walking around that place. Saw a bunch of > plastic > wrapped A-10's and I think some F-15's near the freeway, plus all > the other > birds. Really cool place. > Pete > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 10:58:53 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01281 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:58:53 -0500 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE1CD864@RCEXS2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mojave trip Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:02:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ".....Tim from BP plans on attending with his Lightweight, too! > Ron @ Fabricor (maker of racks/etc. for BP) is considering attending:..." > Cool, sounds like we'll have a regular "tent city" at the trail head friday night! -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 13:27:05 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01446 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:27:05 -0500 Message-ID: <002d01bf8abc$ab763a00$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: <20000310.035519.-261329.60.cirvin1258@juno.com> Subject: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:15:51 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles R Irvin To: Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 01:54 Subject: Re: Sightings > Fear not Pete: Kalifornia is a close second these days... > > Charles Since you brought it up, a friend of mine told me that all magazine fed rifles have been outlawed in CA. Anyone have the striaght poop on this? He said there is no "grandfather clause" so I will be waistinh $$ if I build up an AR high power rig before we leave here in 18 months. Thanks Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 14:58:55 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01507 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:58:55 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:50:35 -0800 Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) Message-ID: <20000310.115736.-261329.66.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-8,12-17,19-46 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org You can bring in a M-1 Carbine, M-1A, Ruger Mini-14, or a Ruger 10/22: otherwise, forget it - no more fun. I still see SKS's for sale, but I heard the state was talking about "collecting" them(?), and Enfields/M-1 Garands are still on the market. No more magazines for ANYTHING, that hold over 10 rounds, No more shotguns that hold more than 5+1 rounds. I am not sure, but there may be an exemption for active-duty military - this is usually the case for law enforcement, since they can't shoot for s#@t anyway. (case in point: that guy in New York - shot at 41 times by police! Really...) Oh well...I got mine! Charles On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:15:51 -1000 "Peter Hope" writes: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Charles R Irvin > To: > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 01:54 > Subject: Re: Sightings > > > > Fear not Pete: Kalifornia is a close second these days... > > > > Charles > > Since you brought it up, a friend of mine told me that all magazine > fed > rifles have been outlawed in CA. Anyone have the striaght poop on > this? He > said there is no "grandfather clause" so I will be waistinh $$ if I > build up > an AR high power rig before we leave here in 18 months. > Thanks > Pete > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 15:21:55 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01542 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:21:55 -0500 From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: My work address Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:18:05 -0800 Message-ID: <000201bf8acd$be6ff400$3972a8c0@leslee.dot.co.mendocino.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi all, I just got a new computer at work and won't be getting my gpool@pacific.net messages at work anymore; I will get them (and the mendo_recce list messages) only at home (i.e., evenings and weekends, if and when I get around to looking). If you need to reach me at work, use my work e-mail address of poolg@co.mendocino.ca.us that is in any case a much faster connection (the other is dial-up). Thanks, Granville Pool Redwood Valley (home) 707-485-7220 Ukiah (work) 707-463-4265 (direct line w/voice mail) 707-463-5474 (fax) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 17:20:28 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01573 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:20:28 -0500 Message-ID: <002801bf8ade$dbfb1020$a334cbcc@johnbenh> From: "John R. Benham" To: References: <20000310.115736.-261329.66.cirvin1258@juno.com> Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:20:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I think this subject is getting a bit off-base from Rover discussion... > You can bring in a M-1 Carbine, M-1A, Ruger Mini-14, or a Ruger 10/22: > otherwise, forget it - no more fun. I still see SKS's for sale, but I > heard the state was talking about "collecting" them(?), and Enfields/M-1 > Garands are still on the market. > > No more magazines for ANYTHING, that hold over 10 rounds, > > No more shotguns that hold more than 5+1 rounds. > > I am not sure, but there may be an exemption for active-duty military - > this is usually the case for law enforcement, since they can't shoot for > s#@t anyway. (case in point: that guy in New York - shot at 41 times by > police! Really...) > > Oh well...I got mine! > > Charles > > On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:15:51 -1000 "Peter Hope" > writes: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Charles R Irvin > > To: > > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 01:54 > > Subject: Re: Sightings > > > > > > > Fear not Pete: Kalifornia is a close second these days... > > > > > > Charles > > > > Since you brought it up, a friend of mine told me that all magazine > > fed > > rifles have been outlawed in CA. Anyone have the striaght poop on > > this? He > > said there is no "grandfather clause" so I will be waistinh $$ if I > > build up > > an AR high power rig before we leave here in 18 months. > > Thanks > > Pete > > > > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, > where all the women are strong, > all the men are good-looking, > and all the children, are above average." > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 17:54:26 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01590 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:54:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200003102254.OAA27867@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:20:35 PST." <002801bf8ade$dbfb1020$a334cbcc@johnbenh> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:54:24 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <002801bf8ade$dbfb1020$a334cbcc@johnbenh>you wrote: > I think this subject is getting a bit off-base from Rover discussion... So? > > You can bring in a M-1 Carbine, M-1A, Ruger Mini-14, or a Ruger 10/22: > > otherwise, forget it - no more fun. I still see SKS's for sale, but I > > heard the state was talking about "collecting" them(?), and Enfields/M-1 > > Garands are still on the market. After 1 Jan 2000, you cannot buy any "assualt weapons" in Calfornia and their definition is fairly strict. Bascially if it has a pistol grip or thumb hold and it uses a magazine, then it is an assault rifle. As of 1 Jan all people who currently own assault rifles must register them wit the State. There is a 1 year grace period. After 1 Jan 2001, possession of an unregistered assault rifle is a felony. And people wonder why I'm abandoning this State and moving to Texas. Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 18:31:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01617 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:31:27 -0500 From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: BP Special--RR low-profile roof rack Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:28:38 -0800 Message-ID: <000001bf8ae8$5d897b00$3972a8c0@leslee.dot.co.mendocino.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Friday, March 10, 2000 Shop Prototype >Range Rover Classic Roof Rack > >This was one of the first low profile roof racks, and was used on our >shop truck. It's no longer needed, so here's your chance! It's in good >shape, having been used for display work, and includes extras like a >set of IPF lights on the rear (for work, camping, or reversing). Built >lower than the production models, it fits in most garages and parking >structures, and it does clear the sunroof. The lights alone are worth >this much! We have just this one, for only... $299! This is a great find--I'd surely buy it if I didn't already have one like it that I paid $600 for! Be aware that shipping is v. costly. Mine cost $65 for shipping but it was bubble-wrapped like a mummy. Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 19:24:57 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01647 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 19:24:57 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01bf8aee$a918fd60$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: <20000310.115736.-261329.66.cirvin1258@juno.com> Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:13:40 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > You can bring in a M-1 Carbine, M-1A, Ruger Mini-14, or a Ruger 10/22: > otherwise, forget it - no more fun Hmm, intersting. M1A is just a civi version of the M14/21 series weapons. Thanks Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 20:09:32 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01663 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:09:32 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.20000310170632.03740a00@mail.halcyon.com> X-Sender: clarkebw@mail.halcyon.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:09:22 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Clarke Williams Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) In-Reply-To: <002801bf8ade$dbfb1020$a334cbcc@johnbenh> References: <20000310.115736.-261329.66.cirvin1258@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 02:20 PM 10-03-00 -0800, you wrote: >I think this subject is getting a bit off-base from Rover discussion... > I very respectfully disagree. Land Rovers and firearms, especially small arms, have been "hand in glove" since their inception. A very large portion (majority?) of Land Rovers have been manufactured specifically for military use. Many of the people that own Land Rovers in the US, Canada, and elsewhere in the world use them for off-road forays that include small arms for one purpose or another. This is very much ON-base in my opinion. Clarke Williams From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 20:34:28 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01678 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:34:28 -0500 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: <12.23bdc5a.25fafc56@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:33:10 EST Subject: still stuck in 3rd... To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Finally felt good enough to work on the transmission a little. All the e-mails about the Mojave are depressing the heck out of me so I was hopeful it would be something simple. I got the shift selectors out and pulled the top inspection plates off the rear portion and the o/d. Nothing looks out of the unusual. I cranked 'er up and put the o/d in neutral and let the tranny spin itself a bit. Again, nothing seems out of *joint* but then again, I really don't know what to look for other than the obvious.... whatever the heck that is. So, I'm not better off than I was three weeks ago. Looks like I'll be pulling the tranny out next so I can look closer. Any advice is always welcome! Cheers, Gerry PHX AZ PS: I'll be up for a Mojave trip in about a month +/- for those who didn't make the one coming up. A guy at work just bought a J##p and is looking for something like the Mojave to do. He gave me a ride in it today. Nice J##p but expensive. 6-cylinder, a/c, removable top, etc... he paid a bit over $22k with a list of $26K. Wow....... From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 20:55:44 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01714 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:55:44 -0500 To: lro@playground.sun.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cc: british-cars@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:52:27 -0800 Subject: Diesel happy dance!!!!! Message-ID: <20000310.175229.-261329.73.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,7-8,13-14,19-20,22-23,26-33 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks, I'll DEFINATELY be attending part of the Mojave Road run next weekend: I just finished replacing the injector pump on Gillian - after finding a timing pointer at BP - and got her running again...hardly any smoke at all at idle, bump her upto 1000rpm, and NO SMOKE AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Homer says "WHOOHOOOOO!!!") The timing on the old injector pump was off by about 30 degrees, and something inside it feels a bit worn out (spins a little more freely than the replacement). I also now have it idling properly (the idle screw on the old pump was rusted solid: couldn't turn it). I can now start the thing with very little effort, it revs freely, it has power, etc., etc... I did find out one thing - I think: I used what may have been a petrol timing pointer, for setting the timing. It fit, but I had to bend the end of the pointer back a little, so that the base sat flush on the bellhousing. The result is, after setting the timing, I had to remove the pointer before putting the cover back on. My neighbors love me again! (now I can call the X-Files crew, and tell them my truck is fixed: I think they may want to use it again...) Oh - I do have a little blowby because of those two bad bores, but the smoke is hardly noticable now, compared to the smokescreen it was laying down before. Charles "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! 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From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 20:56:03 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01723 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:56:03 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:37:48 -0800 Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) Message-ID: <20000310.175229.-261329.71.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,5-6,8-9,15-21,23-60 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This should be interesting: I tried registering my Colt #6601 Sporter H-BAR with the DOJ back in 1990 (when I registered my AR-15), and they sent me this nice letter stating that my Sporter is NOT an assault rifle - thus, it will NOT be registered by the DOJ! I haven't heard anything about new registration laws - only that you can't buy certain things anymore. Anybody else here have one of those aftermarket Land Rover gun lockers that were made in Burbank back in the late 60's? I have one, and you can't really put anything larger (comfortably) than a M-1 carbine in it! The local sutplus store had - a few years ago - Dragon missle boxes, the nice plastic (pelican style, with camlocks) ones...they were selling them for $40.00, and they fit across the bed of a Land Rover! ...maybe it's time to visit that store and see if they have any left... Charles P.S. - As for being off topic...TOUGH! On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:54:24 -0800 Benjamin Allan Smith writes: > In message <002801bf8ade$dbfb1020$a334cbcc@johnbenh>you wrote: > > > I think this subject is getting a bit off-base from Rover > discussion... > > So? > > > > > You can bring in a M-1 Carbine, M-1A, Ruger Mini-14, or a Ruger > 10/22: > > > otherwise, forget it - no more fun. I still see SKS's for sale, > but I > > > heard the state was talking about "collecting" them(?), and > Enfields/M-1 > > > Garands are still on the market. > > After 1 Jan 2000, you cannot buy any "assualt weapons" in > Calfornia > and their definition is fairly strict. Bascially if it has a pistol > grip > or thumb hold and it uses a magazine, then it is an assault rifle. > As of 1 > Jan all people who currently own assault rifles must register them > wit the > State. There is a 1 year grace period. After 1 Jan 2001, > possession of an > unregistered assault rifle is a felony. > > And people wonder why I'm abandoning this State and moving > to Texas. > > Ben "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! 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From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 21:02:51 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01736 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:02:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200003110202.SAA28092@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:37:48 PST." <20000310.175229.-261329.71.cirvin1258@juno.com> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:02:49 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <20000310.175229.-261329.71.cirvin1258@juno.com>you wrote: > I tried registering my Colt #6601 Sporter H-BAR with the DOJ back in 1990 > (when I registered my AR-15), and they sent me this nice letter stating > that my Sporter is NOT an assault rifle - thus, it will NOT be registered > by the DOJ! > > I haven't heard anything about new registration laws - only that you > can't buy certain things anymore. Starting 1 January 2000 the definition of an assault rifle changed. They also now explicitly state that the intent of the law is to ban owner ship. The definition of an assault rifle is any long arm that has *one* of the following: 1. bayonet lug 2. flash suppressor 3. ability to use magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds 4. a pistol grip (thumb hole stocks are now included as a pistol grip) So basically any M-16 varient is now on the verboten list. Though some are trying to make one without a pistol grip and the Legislature is pissed and trying to ban that too. On one hand registration isn't that evil, right? It's only a few dollars and you're not going to do anything illegal, right? Except when it is the intent of the anti-gun lobby to every few years up the annual registration fees. So it's $10 this year. And in a few years it will be $20 per year. Then $50. Then $100. Then $500. And if you ever don't pay the fee, expect the police to be at your door since they know that you have it. It is a very slippery slope to start down. Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 21:05:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01746 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:05:08 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:02:46 -0800 Subject: Re: still stuck in 3rd... Message-ID: <20000310.180248.-261329.74.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,6-7,10-11,13-56 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Gerry, Look for a brass cage that resembles an hourglass holder: this is your 3rd/4th synchro hub. If you're stuck in 3rd, then the center of it should be near one end. Try prying it towards the center (while holding the clutch pedal down), and see what happens: if it pops to center, than I believe it should be out of 3rd, and back to neutral. Check to see if the rods connecting both ends of this hub appear NOT to be straight, but at an angle: if so, then it's gotta be replaced. (ie. tranny comes out, and a few $$$ later, it's fixed) These get tweaked when the rear mainshaft nut isn't tight enough...been there, done that. Charles On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:33:10 EST GElam30092@aol.com writes: > Finally felt good enough to work on the transmission a little. All > the > e-mails about the Mojave are depressing the heck out of me so I was > hopeful > it would be something simple. > > I got the shift selectors out and pulled the top inspection plates > off the > rear portion and the o/d. Nothing looks out of the unusual. I > cranked 'er > up and put the o/d in neutral and let the tranny spin itself a bit. > Again, > nothing seems out of *joint* but then again, I really don't know > what to look > for other than the obvious.... whatever the heck that is. > > So, I'm not better off than I was three weeks ago. Looks like I'll > be > pulling the tranny out next so I can look closer. > > Any advice is always welcome! > Cheers, > Gerry > PHX AZ > > PS: I'll be up for a Mojave trip in about a month +/- for those who > didn't > make the one coming up. A guy at work just bought a J##p and is > looking for > something like the Mojave to do. He gave me a ride in it today. > Nice J##p > but expensive. 6-cylinder, a/c, removable top, etc... he paid a bit > over > $22k with a list of $26K. Wow....... "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 21:16:10 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01762 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:16:10 -0500 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: <74.1e7c0dd.25fb064a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:15:38 EST Subject: Re: still stuck in 3rd... To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/10/2000 7:10:55 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cirvin1258@juno.com writes: << Try prying it towards the center (while holding the clutch pedal down), and see what happens: if it pops to center, than I believe it should be out of 3rd, and back to neutral. >> Good deal.... will try it tomorrow. I appreciate your post! Is this something that I can baby along or will the synchro hub have to be replaced.... eventually?! <> Easy come/easy go! I figure in the long run, the skills here will help with other *projects*! Cheers, Gerry From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 21:29:54 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01775 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:29:54 -0500 Message-ID: <38C9B047.36EC7B36@wenet.net> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:32:39 -0800 From: "Bruce R. Bonar" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) References: <20000310.115736.-261329.66.cirvin1258@juno.com> <002801bf8ade$dbfb1020$a334cbcc@johnbenh> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "John R. Benham" wrote: > I think this subject is getting a bit off-base from Rover discussion... Actually, as many LR owners often carry guns off road, and on, it is probably quite apropos. We all need to know what the laws are, whether we like them or not. Bruce From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 21:30:58 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01785 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:30:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200003110230.SAA28194@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Mojave (was Re: Diesel happy dance!!!!! ) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:52:27 PST." <20000310.175229.-261329.73.cirvin1258@juno.com> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:30:56 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <20000310.175229.-261329.73.cirvin1258@juno.com>you wrote: > I'll DEFINATELY be attending part of the Mojave Road run next weekend: Next weekend??? I had it written in my calandar as this weekend. Hmmm... (go look at TerriAnn's email) ...so it is the 18th and 19th!. Drat. Something must have changed when I wasn't looking. Maybe when it shifted from Gerry's trip to TerriAnns'. Well that means that I *can't* go. And here I was with a new CB all installed in the 101 and was about to start loading cargo for the trip. I have to be in Texas 8:30 am on Monday the 20th to start a new job and the 18th and 19th are budgeted to drive the BW and Dora there. So have fun without me. Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 21:37:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01796 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:37:08 -0500 Message-ID: <38C9B1F9.CEF24B55@wenet.net> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:39:53 -0800 From: "Bruce R. Bonar" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) References: <20000310.175229.-261329.71.cirvin1258@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles R Irvin wrote: > Anybody else here have one of those aftermarket Land Rover gun lockers > that were made in Burbank back in the late 60's? I have one, and you > can't really put anything larger (comfortably) than a M-1 carbine in it! I suspect these were designed for shotguns, Holland & Holland of course to fit with the lifestyle thing, which typically break down into two sections and will fit in a short case. > The local sutplus store had - a few years ago - Dragon missle boxes, the > nice plastic (pelican style, with camlocks) ones...they were selling them > for $40.00, and they fit across the bed of a Land Rover! Speaking of Pelican cases, does anyone know of a good source with reasonable prices, relatively speaking? I need one of the 50x13 ones w/ foam. Bruce From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 21:44:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01806 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:44:21 -0500 Message-ID: <005d01bf8b02$20fcd820$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: <200003110202.SAA28092@blacker.gdbg.org> Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:33:01 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Starting 1 January 2000 the definition of an assault rifle changed. > They also now explicitly state that the intent of the law is to ban owner > ship. The definition of an assault rifle is any long arm that has *one* of > the following: > 1. bayonet lug > 2. flash suppressor > 3. ability to use magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds > 4. a pistol grip (thumb hole stocks are now included as a pistol grip) > > So basically any M-16 varient is now on the verboten list. Though some are > trying to make one without a pistol grip and the Legislature is pissed and > trying to ban that too. > So basically, no grandfather clause?? From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 21:45:28 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01816 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:45:28 -0500 Message-ID: <007301bf8b02$48b23fe0$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: <200003102254.OAA27867@blacker.gdbg.org> Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:34:08 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > After 1 Jan 2000, you cannot buy any "assualt weapons" in Calfornia > Does this mean if you already own one you can keep it? Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 21:47:52 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01826 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:47:52 -0500 Message-ID: <001901bf8b04$436e5ee0$7434cbcc@johnbenh> From: "John R. Benham" To: References: <20000310.115736.-261329.66.cirvin1258@juno.com> <002801bf8ade$dbfb1020$a334cbcc@johnbenh> <38C9B047.36EC7B36@wenet.net> Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:47:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bruce and others, When I do field work in wilderness situations, I carry a 45 auto with me - mainly to frighten bears. But when I go out on Rover treks, I tend not to take any firearm thinking of families with kids around, plus we're rovering and generally not target practicing. Firearm legislation and laws are changing quickly and It's wise to know the latest, but when the discussion is about assault rifles and multiple clips, I get a little nervous - I've seen what they can do. I guess the relationship of firearms and Rover owners was greater than I thought. John Benham > "John R. Benham" wrote: > > > I think this subject is getting a bit off-base from Rover discussion... > > Actually, as many LR owners often carry guns off road, and on, it is probably > quite apropos. We all need to know what the laws are, whether we like them or > not. > > Bruce > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 22:25:30 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01842 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:25:30 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.20000310192232.00ba08f0@mail.halcyon.com> X-Sender: clarkebw@mail.halcyon.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 19:25:14 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Clarke Williams Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) In-Reply-To: <002801bf8ade$dbfb1020$a334cbcc@johnbenh> References: <20000310.115736.-261329.66.cirvin1258@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 02:20 PM 10-03-00 -0800, you wrote: >I think this subject is getting a bit off-base from Rover discussion... > By the way, John, did you notice that Land Rover has a Special Edition Range Rover called the "Holland & Holland" Model? But I surmise that the reference to H&H will pass you by if you have no interest in firearms. Of course, the others on the list that have an interest in firearms and Africa and UK firearms manufacturers will know whom the Special Edition Rangie is honoring. Clarke Williams From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 22:34:36 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01858 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:34:36 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 19:31:48 -0800 Subject: Re: Mojave (was Re: Diesel happy dance!!!!! ) Message-ID: <20000310.193303.-261429.5.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-36 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ben... Ever see "Ferris Beueller's Day Off"?... Charles On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:30:56 -0800 Benjamin Allan Smith writes: > In message <20000310.175229.-261329.73.cirvin1258@juno.com>you wrote: > > > I'll DEFINATELY be attending part of the Mojave Road run next > weekend: > > Next weekend??? I had it written in my calandar as this > weekend. > Hmmm... (go look at TerriAnn's email) ...so it is the 18th and > 19th!. Drat. > Something must have changed when I wasn't looking. Maybe when it > shifted > from Gerry's trip to TerriAnns'. Well that means that I *can't* go. > And here > I was with a new CB all installed in the 101 and was about to start > loading > cargo for the trip. > > I have to be in Texas 8:30 am on Monday the 20th to start a > new job and > the 18th and 19th are budgeted to drive the BW and Dora there. So > have fun > without me. > > Ben "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 22:40:55 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01869 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:40:55 -0500 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: <10.148a025.25fb1a1d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:40:13 EST Subject: RE stuck in 3rd..... To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com, lro@playground.sun.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks to Charles Irwin who was kind enough to let me call him to discuss my problem. One thing that I didn't mention was that I did have problems engaging and disengaging the o/d after the event as I headed home. That maybe points to a loose main shaft nut..... at least I think that's what Charles referred to it as! So, I'll pull the o/d tomorrow and take a look. And yes.... I do have the special tool too..... if I can find the darn thing! Cheers, Gerry From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 23:18:02 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01884 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:18:02 -0500 Message-ID: <001d01bf8b0f$39aa5de0$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: <20000310.115736.-261329.66.cirvin1258@juno.com> <4.1.20000310192232.00ba08f0@mail.halcyon.com> Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:06:43 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > By the way, John, did you notice that Land Rover has a Special Edition Range Rover called the "Holland & Holland" Model? > I saw something on this in a US 4x4 mag recently. All leahter and wood, 75+k sticker. Better come with a matched set of H&H's for that price :-) Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Mar 10 23:48:59 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01896 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:48:59 -0500 Message-ID: <20000311044856.14210.qmail@web206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:48:56 -0800 (PST) From: David Tong Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #64 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey guys, gotta put my two cents in... I've been involved with firearms for over half my life since my days in the Boy Scouts. What irritates me no end is that this Clintonian end-run around our rights is unchecked by our own U.S. Supreme Court, who has simply refused to hear any cert cases since U.S v. Miller in 1939, and that a lot of states are now re-interpreting our rights, thus making the whole matter really expensive to challenge Constitutionally. The Land-Rover itself, as Clarke so perfectly pointed out, has an image attached to it from its days as an African hunting vehicle-if one has any doubts as to the marketing of this history, look no further than the silly spare tire covers for the new Disco II. (Minimal L-R content) So I say the same thing now to those out there who couldn't care less about our "rights": CAPABILITY is NOT the same as CULPABILITY! When Clinton signs Executive Orders designating vast tracts of BLM land as off limits to ORV's (or turns them into "National Monuments," OR he signs them off banning the further importation of >10 round magazines, what the blazes is the difference? A few miscreants who misuse their rights and we all get tarred with the same brush. AND, we don't even have any say in it. By the by, Kalifornia has BANNED even POSSESSION of an "assault weapon" on any state BLM land! So, even if you were to register it, you cannot use it out there! Hope I've drawn these parallels to be quite obvious, and I apologise for venting. --- "Mendo_Recce digest:" wrote: > > Mendo_Recce digest: Friday, March 10 2000 > Volume 02 : Number 064 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:50:35 -0800 > From: Charles R Irvin > Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: > Sightings) > > You can bring in a M-1 Carbine, M-1A, Ruger Mini-14, > or a Ruger 10/22: > otherwise, forget it - no more fun. I still see > SKS's for sale, but I > heard the state was talking about "collecting" > them(?), and Enfields/M-1 > Garands are still on the market. > > No more magazines for ANYTHING, that hold over 10 > rounds, > > No more shotguns that hold more than 5+1 rounds. > > I am not sure, but there may be an exemption for > active-duty military - > this is usually the case for law enforcement, since > they can't shoot for > s#@t anyway. (case in point: that guy in New York - > shot at 41 times by > police! Really...) > > Oh well...I got mine! > > Charles > > On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:15:51 -1000 "Peter Hope" > > writes: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Charles R Irvin > > To: > > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 01:54 > > Subject: Re: Sightings > > > > > > > Fear not Pete: Kalifornia is a close second > these days... > > > > > > Charles > > > > Since you brought it up, a friend of mine told me > that all magazine > > fed > > rifles have been outlawed in CA. Anyone have the > striaght poop on > > this? He > > said there is no "grandfather clause" so I will be > waistinh $$ if I > > build up > > an AR high power rig before we leave here in 18 > months. > > Thanks > > Pete > > > > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, > where all the women are strong, > all the men are good-looking, > and all the children, are above average." > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE > software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:18:05 -0800 > From: "Granville Pool" > Subject: My work address > > Hi all, > > I just got a new computer at work and won't be > getting my gpool@pacific.net > messages at work anymore; I will get them (and the > mendo_recce list > messages) only at home (i.e., evenings and weekends, > if and when I get > around to looking). > > If you need to reach me at work, use my work e-mail > address of > poolg@co.mendocino.ca.us that is in any case a much > faster connection (the > other is dial-up). > > Thanks, > > > Granville Pool > Redwood Valley (home) 707-485-7220 > Ukiah (work) 707-463-4265 (direct line w/voice mail) > 707-463-5474 (fax) > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:20:35 -0800 > From: "John R. Benham" > Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: > Sightings) > > I think this subject is getting a bit off-base from > Rover discussion... > > > You can bring in a M-1 Carbine, M-1A, Ruger > Mini-14, or a Ruger 10/22: > > otherwise, forget it - no more fun. I still see > SKS's for sale, but I > > heard the state was talking about "collecting" > them(?), and Enfields/M-1 > > Garands are still on the market. > > > > No more magazines for ANYTHING, that hold over 10 > rounds, > > > > No more shotguns that hold more than 5+1 rounds. > > > > I am not sure, but there may be an exemption for > active-duty military - > > this is usually the case for law enforcement, > since they can't shoot for > > s#@t anyway. (case in point: that guy in New York > - shot at 41 times by > > police! Really...) > > > > Oh well...I got mine! > > > > Charles > > > > On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:15:51 -1000 "Peter Hope" > > > writes: > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Charles R Irvin > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 01:54 > > > Subject: Re: Sightings > > > > > > > > > > Fear not Pete: Kalifornia is a close second > these days... > > > > > > > > Charles > > > > > > Since you brought it up, a friend of mine told > me that all magazine > > > fed > > > rifles have been outlawed in CA. Anyone have > the striaght poop on > > > this? He > > > said there is no "grandfather clause" so I will > be waistinh $$ if I > > > build up > > > an AR high power rig before we leave here in 18 > months. > > > Thanks > > > Pete > > > > > > > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, > > where all the women are strong, > > all the men are good-looking, > > and all the children, are above average." > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE > software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:54:24 -0800 > From: Benjamin Allan Smith > Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: > Sightings) > > In message > <002801bf8ade$dbfb1020$a334cbcc@johnbenh>you wrote: > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 00:16:35 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02412 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 00:16:35 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000310211530.006c32b8@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:15:30 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Re: Mojave (was Re: Diesel happy dance!!!!! ) In-Reply-To: <20000310.193303.-261429.5.cirvin1258@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles asked: >Ever see "Ferris Beueller's Day Off"?... Yeah, I did. What a waste of a perfectly good Ferarri! Uh, Chas, what's the connection? Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 00:19:48 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02422 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 00:19:48 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000310211847.006bec48@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:18:47 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Re: RE stuck in 3rd..... In-Reply-To: <10.148a025.25fb1a1d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Gerry wrote: >So, I'll pull the o/d tomorrow and take a look. And yes.... I do have the >special tool too..... if I can find the darn thing! Eeee! That reminds me of when I was putting a new clutch in the Snark. I have a cool plastic Land-Rover clutch alignment tool. Could I find it? No! I could not. What did I do? I found that, in some old parts boxes, I had a tranny input shaft. I hack-sawed the gear off and made meself a nice little custom clutch alignment tool. Of course, when I went to put it away, I found the old plastic one hanging on the wall in a storage room! Oh, well... Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 00:24:54 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02434 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 00:24:54 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000310212350.006bf8d0@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:23:50 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Assault Weapons In-Reply-To: <20000311044856.14210.qmail@web206.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >By the by, Kalifornia has BANNED even POSSESSION of an >"assault weapon" on any state BLM land! So, even if >you were to register it, you cannot use it out there! I'll bite: An assault weapon would be needed on BLM land, why? I've spent my share of time on BLM land and can't remember a single time I thought to myself, "Dang, I sure wish I'd brought an assault weapon!" I guess I should ask my son who just bought some sort of assault rifle, complete with bayonet. Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 00:52:54 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02560 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 00:52:54 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:41:55 -0800 Subject: Re: Mojave (was Re: Diesel happy dance!!!!! ) Message-ID: <20000310.215217.-261429.6.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-5,7-22 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Connection is - Ben's gotta get to Texas that weekend, so that he can work on Monday: I feel that he needs a well-deserved day off. Granted, a 101 is in no way a Ferrari, but still... Charles On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:15:30 -0800 Granville Pool writes: > Charles asked: > > >Ever see "Ferris Beueller's Day Off"?... > > Yeah, I did. What a waste of a perfectly good Ferarri! Uh, Chas, > what's > the connection? > > > Granny "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 01:00:44 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02570 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 01:00:44 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:57:28 -0800 Subject: Re: Assault Weapons Message-ID: <20000310.215729.-261429.9.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-6,8-9,11-29 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm gonna head over to a buddy's gun shop tomorrow, and see if he has anything in official print that says what's okay, and what isn't. If there's enough interest, I'll either answer people individually, or post a brief on the list - for those that "carry" - or have thought about it - when off-roading. Charles P.S.: I need to get a few maps from BLM next week - so I'll chat with them as well. On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:23:50 -0800 Granville Pool writes: > >By the by, Kalifornia has BANNED even POSSESSION of an > >"assault weapon" on any state BLM land! So, even if > >you were to register it, you cannot use it out there! > > I'll bite: An assault weapon would be needed on BLM land, > why? I've spent my share of time on BLM land and can't > remember a single time I thought to myself, "Dang, I sure > wish I'd brought an assault weapon!" I guess I should > ask my son who just bought some sort of assault rifle, > complete with bayonet. > > > Granny "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 01:01:48 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02582 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 01:01:48 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000310200933.00991720@hgea01.hgea.org> X-Sender: ogilvi@hgea01.hgea.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:09:33 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie Subject: Re: RE stuck in 3rd..... In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000310211847.006bec48@pacific.net> References: <10.148a025.25fb1a1d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org You can use a deep well socket that will just fit inside the clutch plate spline. I've also done it just by eye balling it. Got it right on the first try. I wouldn't buy a tool, waste of money. Aloha Peter Kona Coffee Rover >>So, I'll pull the o/d tomorrow and take a look. And yes.... I do have the >>special tool too..... if I can find the darn thing! > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 01:04:49 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02592 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 01:04:49 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000310201233.00991700@hgea01.hgea.org> X-Sender: ogilvi@hgea01.hgea.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:12:33 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie Subject: Re: Assault Weapons In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000310212350.006bf8d0@pacific.net> References: <20000311044856.14210.qmail@web206.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Got this strange feeling that the neighbors might get a little excited if you ripped off a clip in the back yard. Those city dwellers get all bent out shape when someone fires off a gun. The wide open spaces offers an opportunity to fire them outside the confines of a target range. Aloha Peter Kona Coffee Rover At 09:23 PM 3/10/00 -0800, you wrote: >>By the by, Kalifornia has BANNED even POSSESSION of an >>"assault weapon" on any state BLM land! So, even if >>you were to register it, you cannot use it out there! > >I'll bite: An assault weapon would be needed on BLM land, >why? I've spent my share of time on BLM land and can't >remember a single time I thought to myself, "Dang, I sure >wish I'd brought an assault weapon!" I guess I should >ask my son who just bought some sort of assault rifle, >complete with bayonet. > > >Granny > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 01:28:17 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02605 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 01:28:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200003110628.WAA28436@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave (was Re: Diesel happy dance!!!!! ) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:41:55 PST." <20000310.215217.-261429.6.cirvin1258@juno.com> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:28:14 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <20000310.215217.-261429.6.cirvin1258@juno.com>you wrote: > Connection is - Ben's gotta get to Texas that weekend, so that he can > work on Monday: I feel that he needs a well-deserved day off. Granted, a > 101 is in no way a Ferrari, but still... I've made the drive a number of times. It takes about 1.5 days. It's a total of 1389 miles. Some 26 hours and 30 minutes of driving (not counting eating, refueling, piss breaks and sleep) towing something that too much twitching sends into an unstable positive feedback oscillation. I need to get 4 Rovers to Texas by the end of April. Logistics dictate that I have to get the Disco (and hence Dora) out on the first trip. Would you rent a house to a guy that showed up in a beat up, ex-military, camoflage truck? And if she decides to crap out on me, it's not like I can take the 101 to Land Rover Austin and tell them to fix it. Driving 4 hours to camp with the few that show up the first night, then driving the 4 hours back hoping that the 101 doesn't break down, to get back by noon on Satuday just to drive back out to get to Texas by midnight Sunday night (or later if something goes wrong) is not anywhere near a good idea. I've pushed my endurance too many times and somehow the goddess of travel has smiled on me and I haven't ended up in a flaming pile of wreckage any of the times I nodded off behind the wheel. If the fates smile on me, I'll be having movers load up everything the last week of April and I'll take the last Rover out (101) up to Mendo for Saturday of Mendo VI and then head east and south to Texas. If the fates don't smile, then I'll punt and see what happens. Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 02:01:24 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02619 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 02:01:24 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:09:12 -0800 Message-ID: <000101bf8b28$b43220c0$ae05193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000310201233.00991700@hgea01.hgea.org> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Personally, I could care less if someone was firing off a length or 50 cal. full auto as long as it's not destroying anything or causing anyone health/safety/noise problems. Our legislation is for the lowest common denominator. I thing the whole point is that you cannot legislate in morals. As far as carrying weapons on Rover trip, I do many times in some of these desert canyons where there are unknown mine dwellers. We got stopped once at goller by a man brandishing his shotgun from Charlie Manson's old house. He was not going to let us go up the BLM road. My buds kindly laid their pistols across the hood of their Jeep and the guy put his gun down and was all friendly. Imagine... Another guy at work stopped at Red Rock canyon to help some guys with their broken down car. (His 'bug' is camo in color, just a note). He rolls down his window about 2 inches and one of the guy says, "Give us your money." But he didn't hear what they said. So when they repeated it, a guy jumps out of the bushes and fires his shotgun into the front of his bug. He pulls out his 9mm and empties it at the 3 of them while tearing out of there. He went to a call box and called the HWY patrol. He had killed one and injured another. The third was thrilled to see the police. No, I'm NOT advocating carrying loaded weapons. I'm not sure what I'm advocating, except I know there are some distorted people out there that DON'T have my best interest in mind. Sorry for the length. Later, Kelly Minnick > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org > [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org]On Behalf Of Faye and Peter > Ogilvie > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 12:13 PM > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: Re: Assault Weapons > > > Got this strange feeling that the neighbors might get a little excited if > you ripped off a clip in the back yard. Those city dwellers get all bent > out shape when someone fires off a gun. The wide open spaces offers an > opportunity to fire them outside the confines of a target range. > > Aloha > Peter > Kona Coffee Rover > > > > > At 09:23 PM 3/10/00 -0800, you wrote: > >>By the by, Kalifornia has BANNED even POSSESSION of an > >>"assault weapon" on any state BLM land! So, even if > >>you were to register it, you cannot use it out there! > > > >I'll bite: An assault weapon would be needed on BLM land, > >why? I've spent my share of time on BLM land and can't > >remember a single time I thought to myself, "Dang, I sure > >wish I'd brought an assault weapon!" I guess I should > >ask my son who just bought some sort of assault rifle, > >complete with bayonet. > > > > > >Granny > > > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 02:02:16 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02629 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 02:02:16 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:10:06 -0800 Message-ID: <000201bf8b28$d3f402c0$ae05193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <20000310.215729.-261429.9.cirvin1258@juno.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It's on the WEB. Check out SB-23... NOTHING is legal. Kelly Minnick > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org > [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org]On Behalf Of Charles R Irvin > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 9:57 PM > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: Re: Assault Weapons > > > I'm gonna head over to a buddy's gun shop tomorrow, and see if he has > anything in official print that says what's okay, and what isn't. If > there's enough interest, I'll either answer people individually, or post > a brief on the list - for those that "carry" - or have thought about it - > when off-roading. > > Charles > P.S.: I need to get a few maps from BLM next week - so I'll chat with > them as well. > > On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:23:50 -0800 Granville Pool > writes: > > >By the by, Kalifornia has BANNED even POSSESSION of an > > >"assault weapon" on any state BLM land! So, even if > > >you were to register it, you cannot use it out there! > > > > I'll bite: An assault weapon would be needed on BLM land, > > why? I've spent my share of time on BLM land and can't > > remember a single time I thought to myself, "Dang, I sure > > wish I'd brought an assault weapon!" I guess I should > > ask my son who just bought some sort of assault rifle, > > complete with bayonet. > > > > > > Granny > > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, > where all the women are strong, > all the men are good-looking, > and all the children, are above average." > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 02:04:47 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02643 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 02:04:47 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: RE stuck in 3rd..... Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:12:36 -0800 Message-ID: <000301bf8b29$2d97b420$ae05193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000310200933.00991720@hgea01.hgea.org> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org He's talking about the OD tool... Not clutch alignment. Later, Kelly Minnick > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org > [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org]On Behalf Of Faye and Peter > Ogilvie > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 12:10 PM > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: Re: RE stuck in 3rd..... > > > You can use a deep well socket that will just fit inside the clutch plate > spline. I've also done it just by eye balling it. Got it right on the > first try. I wouldn't buy a tool, waste of money. > > Aloha > Peter > Kona Coffee Rover > > > > >>So, I'll pull the o/d tomorrow and take a look. And yes.... I > do have the > >>special tool too..... if I can find the darn thing! > > > > > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 02:06:09 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02654 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 02:06:09 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:05:31 -0800 Subject: Re: Mojave (was Re: Diesel happy dance!!!!! ) Message-ID: <20000310.230532.-261429.12.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,5-6,10-11,13-14,16-17,19-28 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I see what you're doing wrong here: NEVER make a lenghty stop for anything except fuel...You can piss at rest areas, and you can eat via Mickey D's drive-thrus (or my personal favorite - Wendy's), OR - junk food from vending machines at said rest areas: turn wide, and you can tow a vehicle through just fine. Sleep? Who needs it? Leave early (or very late), follow the above, and you can do the run in 20 hours! (been there, done that) That's how I did my runs from Norfolk-Memphis, then Memphis-Las Cruces (via taking a gander at Roswell), then Las Cruces-L.A. Had it not been for my detours, I could have done the Trans-USA run in 3 days flat! Charles (breakfast in Memphis Tn., Lunch in Ft. Smith Ok., dinner in Las Cruces NM.) On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:28:14 -0800 Benjamin Allan Smith writes: > >I've made the drive a number of times. It takes about 1.5 days. It's > a total of 1389 miles. Some 26 hours and 30 minutes of driving (not > counting eating, refueling, piss breaks and sleep) "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 02:10:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02664 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 02:10:21 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:18:10 -0800 Message-ID: <000401bf8b29$f4ac0f20$ae05193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000310212350.006bf8d0@pacific.net> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Granny- I don't own one, but originally, the SKS was about $85 and you could get ammo cheap. It for sure wasn't the best gun in the world, but a lot of fun. Almost disposable for that price. I just plink and target shoot myself, but semi-autos can be fun and I don't destroy anything. Fully autos are just costly. I would rather go out to our test site and watch the 50 rd burst of the 20mm, 25mm or 30mm gattling guns where it doesn't cost me a cent (well.. not directly!). Later, Kelly Minnick > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org > [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org]On Behalf Of Granville Pool > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 9:24 PM > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: Assault Weapons > > > >By the by, Kalifornia has BANNED even POSSESSION of an > >"assault weapon" on any state BLM land! So, even if > >you were to register it, you cannot use it out there! > > I'll bite: An assault weapon would be needed on BLM land, > why? I've spent my share of time on BLM land and can't > remember a single time I thought to myself, "Dang, I sure > wish I'd brought an assault weapon!" I guess I should > ask my son who just bought some sort of assault rifle, > complete with bayonet. > > > Granny > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 02:12:12 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02678 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 02:12:12 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:20:02 -0800 Message-ID: <000501bf8b2a$373a05e0$ae05193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <007301bf8b02$48b23fe0$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Nope. Sigh up or turn it in. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org > [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org]On Behalf Of Peter Hope > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 6:34 PM > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) > > > > After 1 Jan 2000, you cannot buy any "assualt weapons" in Calfornia > > > Does this mean if you already own one you can keep it? > Pete > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 03:15:47 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02696 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 03:15:47 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mewgull@popd.ix.netcom.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <38C9B047.36EC7B36@wenet.net> References: <20000310.115736.-261329.66.cirvin1258@juno.com> <002801bf8ade$dbfb1020$a334cbcc@johnbenh> <38C9B047.36EC7B36@wenet.net> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 00:13:32 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Gerald Mugele Subject: Topics for discussion: (Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 6:32 PM -0800 3/10/00, Bruce R. Bonar wrote: >"John R. Benham" wrote: > > > I think this subject is getting a bit off-base from Rover discussion... > >Actually, as many LR owners often carry guns off road, and on, it is probably >quite apropos. We all need to know what the laws are, whether we like them or not. True. And there are forums where weapons and gun legislation are the primary topics. I believe most of us here are capable of making the connection to Land Rovers unassisted. If anyone needs help finding the *more* appropriate lists, please contact me directly, I can help. Cheers, Gerry Mugele -- ("Gooey" '72 Series III 88 and "Peat" '95 D90 SW) *** Therapy is expensive, poppin' bubble wrap is cheap! You choose. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 03:39:48 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02708 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 03:39:48 -0500 Message-ID: <006f01bf8b33$c9f60600$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: <20000310.115736.-261329.66.cirvin1258@juno.com><002801bf8ade$dbfb1020$a334cbcc@johnbenh> <38C9B047.36EC7B36@wenet.net> Subject: Off topic posts Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:28:27 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Since I started this, sorry to any that got bothered by it. Just thought that so many of the rover owners on the list were in CA they might be able to point me in the correct direction. And many thanks to all who did reply, most were offline. Found the SB-23 bill on the web. read it. Seams like I can apply for a permit before the move. Don't get it, leave the thing with my sister in Maine (where the only guns laws are those that forbid you from shooting deer from a moving vehicle lol) Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 04:27:45 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02906 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 04:27:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200003110927.BAA28636@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave (was Re: Diesel happy dance!!!!! ) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:05:31 PST." <20000310.230532.-261429.12.cirvin1258@juno.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 01:27:43 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <20000310.230532.-261429.12.cirvin1258@juno.com>you wrote: > Had it not been for my detours, I could have done the Trans-USA run in 3 > days flat! I have. In a Series III 88". It took 76 hours from northern NJ to Pasadena. I could have easily shaved 3 hours off of that time, but I got caught in an ineteresting conversation in Rifle, CO at a rest area. > I see what you're doing wrong here: > > NEVER make a lenghty stop for anything except fuel...You can piss at rest > areas, and you can eat via Mickey D's drive-thrus (or my personal > favorite - Wendy's), OR - junk food from vending machines at said rest > areas: turn wide, and you can tow a vehicle through just fine. > > Sleep? Who needs it? Leave early (or very late), follow the above, and > you can do the run in 20 hours! (been there, done that) The 26.5 hours estimate was for driving time assuming an average speed of roughly 55 mph. Anything above that if you aren't on perfect pavement while flat towing can be *very* dangerous. I've seen Dora swaying 2 feet side to side. I don't like that. Then you have to add time for refueling and food and sleep and time zone changes. I've towed Dora to Texas and back before and the estimated speeds were about right. I took notes. I have crossed the US 15 times by car in the last 9 years and have driven at least 30 1000+ mile trips. I've towed Dora from California to Boston and back. I have a system to estimate time for driving. Everything is planned from of-ramp to on ramp. Fuel stops last between 15 and 20 minutes and usually include a few minutes to hit the head. Not towing in the Disco they are requied every 300 miles on average. Towing it is every 250 miles. Food is always at fast food, but if you don't regularly get out and move around by day 3 and 4 nasty things start to happen. So 30 minutes is allocated each day for breakfast and lunch and 45 for dinner. And snacks like beef jerky, soda and that ilk are kept on board. And I get out and sit somewhere other than the car just to let my mind relax a bit. Any time span of 3 to 4 hours that doesn have a scheduled food or fuel stop will require a 15 minute piss break. I always sleep in rest areas or on on-ramps. Sometimes I budget 4 hours, but lately I've been budgeting 6. I usually drive until about 1 to 2am, anything after that if I'm driving all day I will fall asleep at the wheel. Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 06:13:34 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA02949 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 06:13:34 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.20000311030008.00c23790@mail.halcyon.com> X-Sender: clarkebw@mail.halcyon.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 03:13:30 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Clarke Williams Subject: Re: Assault Weapons In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000310212350.006bf8d0@pacific.net> References: <20000311044856.14210.qmail@web206.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Granny, By definition (real-world military definition), an "assault rifle" is a Select-Fire (e.g. you can choose either single or multiple shots with a single trigger pull) Weapon that uses *reduced power cartridges* to increase the effectiveness of the assaulting force or group. An AR-15 does NOT meet these criteria; an M-16 BARELY meets these criteria. "Assault Rifles" by definition are SELECT FIRE AND ALLOW FULL AUTOMATIC RELEASE OF ROUNDS. Auto-loading weapons that simply chamber a new round after firing a cartridge do NOT meet the criteria. One can be perhaps more P.C., but the reality is that a semi-automatic weapon is NOT an "Assault Rifle". You folks in California (and now elsewhere) are wrong. I do not mean to, necessarily, group you with the Others. But those folks that would deprive us of semi-auto weapons of ANY design are NUTS ---- in my humble opinion. At 09:23 PM 10-03-00 -0800, you wrote: >>By the by, Kalifornia has BANNED even POSSESSION of an >>"assault weapon" on any state BLM land! So, even if >>you were to register it, you cannot use it out there! > >I'll bite: An assault weapon would be needed on BLM land, >why? I've spent my share of time on BLM land and can't >remember a single time I thought to myself, "Dang, I sure >wish I'd brought an assault weapon!" I guess I should >ask my son who just bought some sort of assault rifle, >complete with bayonet. > > >Granny Clarke Williams From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 10:14:49 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03027 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:14:49 -0500 From: EUROMOG@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:14:23 EST Subject: '96 Disco For Sale To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 33 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org My '96 Disco SD 5 speed is up for sale. Willow green with tan cloth seats. No sunroofs, no dual AC, no rear jump seats. Near new tires truck is clean inside and out. No extreme off roading (I have Unimogs for that). Unlike most of the used Disco's on the market this one has been well maintained. I bought a new Dodge Ram 4x4 to tow with so the Disco has to go. Runs and drives great. If someone could cross post to other Land Rover lists I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks for you time. John Wessels Livermore, CA 925-373-3878 From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 10:28:05 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03038 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:28:05 -0500 From: EUROMOG@aol.com Message-ID: <6.32a2f18.25fbbfdd@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:27:25 EST Subject: Aluminum Car Trailer for sale To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 33 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry for the ad but I though someone here might me interested. I am selling my aluminum car carrier trailer. It weighs 900lbs and will carry 3300lbs. Double axle with surge brakes on both axles. Has tilt bed with ramps and ratchet tied downs for front tires. Full length fenders with four locked storage boxes. Bed length is 12ft and width is 67". Has center wood decking and tows great. Asking $2500 OBO. Thanks for your time. John Wessels Livermore, CA 925-373-3878 From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 10:30:02 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03048 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:30:02 -0500 From: EUROMOG@aol.com Message-ID: <19.1cbe7d8.25fbc058@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:29:28 EST Subject: Re: '96 Disco For Sale To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 33 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry forgot to put in price. $16,950 OBO. Thanks again, John Wessels From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 10:39:06 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03060 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:39:06 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 07:34:57 -0800 Subject: Re: Topics for discussion: (Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) Message-ID: <20000311.073804.-261429.16.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,8-11,13-24 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org True too. However, the question was asked in this forum, by a member of this forum. It would then be appropriate - and very kind of ALL of us - if the correct answer was supplied by this forum. Thus, I can't see how this list couldn't be more appropriate enough. If you have links to supply to Pete, then have at it, but if you're going to flame him for asking a question, then you obviously have some kind of problem that needs to be attended to. Charles On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 00:13:32 -0800 Gerald Mugele writes: > >True. And there are forums where weapons and gun legislation are the > primary topics. I believe most of us here are capable of making the > connection to Land Rovers unassisted. If anyone needs help finding > the *more* appropriate lists, please contact me directly, I can > help. "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 10:39:14 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03070 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:39:14 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 07:27:33 -0800 Subject: Re: Off topic posts Message-ID: <20000311.073804.-261429.15.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-5,7-8,14-16,19-20,22-42 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Pete, NEVER apologize for asking an intelligent question! You're trying to avoid spending 10+ years in the slammer simply for exercising your rights! If others don't want YOU to live the way that YOU want to, that's their problem, not yours! For those that don't like the topic - you know what keys to hit in order to move on in peace: it's one thing to have a law put in place that's "supposed" to thwart the bad guys, but it's another when you don't want the good guys to read it properly. So how 'bout cutting some slack here PEOPLE? What happened to freedom of speech and expression - hope it isn't dying along with the right to keep and bear arms... Charles Guns and Rovers - my favorits hobbies: Guns and Roses - one of my favorite bands (there isn't even a decent rock radio station in L.A. anymore!) On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:28:27 -1000 "Peter Hope" writes: > Since I started this, sorry to any that got bothered by it. Just > thought > that so many of the rover owners on the list were in CA they might > be able > to point me in the correct direction. > And many thanks to all who did reply, most were offline. > Found the SB-23 bill on the web. read it. Seams like I can apply > for a > permit before the move. Don't get it, leave the thing with my > sister in > Maine (where the only guns laws are those that forbid you from > shooting deer > from a moving vehicle lol) > Pete > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 10:39:15 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03076 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:39:15 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 07:36:09 -0800 Subject: Re: Assault Weapons Message-ID: <20000311.073804.-261429.17.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-6,8-53 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...I remember when the SKS dropped down to $35.00 - WITH 200 rounds of ammo thrown in by Turners'! I still didn't buy one...what was I thinking!?!?!? Charles On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:18:10 -0800 "Kelly Minnick" writes: > Granny- > I don't own one, but originally, the SKS was about $85 and you could > get > ammo cheap. It for sure wasn't the best gun in the world, but a lot > of fun. > Almost disposable for that price. I just plink and target shoot > myself, but > semi-autos can be fun and I don't destroy anything. Fully autos are > just > costly. I would rather go out to our test site and watch the 50 rd > burst of > the 20mm, 25mm or 30mm gattling guns where it doesn't cost me a cent > (well.. > not directly!). Later, > > Kelly Minnick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org]On Behalf Of Granville Pool > > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 9:24 PM > > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > Subject: Assault Weapons > > > > > > >By the by, Kalifornia has BANNED even POSSESSION of an > > >"assault weapon" on any state BLM land! So, even if > > >you were to register it, you cannot use it out there! > > > > I'll bite: An assault weapon would be needed on BLM land, > > why? I've spent my share of time on BLM land and can't > > remember a single time I thought to myself, "Dang, I sure > > wish I'd brought an assault weapon!" I guess I should > > ask my son who just bought some sort of assault rifle, > > complete with bayonet. > > > > > > Granny > > > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 10:39:15 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03077 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:39:15 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 07:19:01 -0800 Subject: Re: Mojave (was Re: Diesel happy dance!!!!! ) Message-ID: <20000311.073804.-261429.14.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-83 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rifle, Colorado! I found a IIA SWB in a storage lot there - looked like a runner! Charles On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 01:27:43 -0800 Benjamin Allan Smith writes: > In message <20000310.230532.-261429.12.cirvin1258@juno.com>you wrote: > > > Had it not been for my detours, I could have done the Trans-USA > run in 3 > > days flat! > > I have. In a Series III 88". It took 76 hours from > northern NJ to > Pasadena. I could have easily shaved 3 hours off of that time, but > I got > caught in an ineteresting conversation in Rifle, CO at a rest area. > > > I see what you're doing wrong here: > > > > NEVER make a lenghty stop for anything except fuel...You can piss > at rest > > areas, and you can eat via Mickey D's drive-thrus (or my personal > > favorite - Wendy's), OR - junk food from vending machines at said > rest > > areas: turn wide, and you can tow a vehicle through just fine. > > > > Sleep? Who needs it? Leave early (or very late), follow the above, > and > > you can do the run in 20 hours! (been there, done that) > > The 26.5 hours estimate was for driving time assuming an > average speed > of roughly 55 mph. Anything above that if you aren't on perfect > pavement > while flat towing can be *very* dangerous. I've seen Dora swaying 2 > feet > side to side. I don't like that. Then you have to add time for > refueling > and food and sleep and time zone changes. I've towed Dora to Texas > and back > before and the estimated speeds were about right. I took notes. > > I have crossed the US 15 times by car in the last 9 years > and have > driven at least 30 1000+ mile trips. I've towed Dora from > California to > Boston and back. I have a system to estimate time for driving. > Everything > is planned from of-ramp to on ramp. Fuel stops last between 15 and > 20 minutes > and usually include a few minutes to hit the head. Not towing in > the Disco > they are requied every 300 miles on average. Towing it is every 250 > miles. > Food is always at fast food, but if you don't regularly get out and > move > around by day 3 and 4 nasty things start to happen. So 30 minutes > is allocated > each day for breakfast and lunch and 45 for dinner. And snacks like > beef > jerky, soda and that ilk are kept on board. And I get out and sit > somewhere > other than the car just to let my mind relax a bit. Any time span > of > 3 to 4 hours that doesn have a scheduled food or fuel stop will > require a 15 > minute piss break. I always sleep in rest areas or on on-ramps. > Sometimes I > budget 4 hours, but lately I've been budgeting 6. I usually drive > until about > 1 to 2am, anything after that if I'm driving all day I will fall > asleep at the > wheel. > > Ben > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 11:28:32 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03107 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:28:32 -0500 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: <34.2636b65.25fbce0c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:27:56 EST Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/10/00 5:57:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, cirvin1258@juno.com writes: > Anybody else here have one of those aftermarket Land Rover gun lockers > that were made in Burbank back in the late 60's? I have one, and you > can't really put anything larger (comfortably) than a M-1 carbine in it! I have one if anybody needs one. It seems that it is meant to hold two double broken down more than anything else. Just not convenient really, though if I was driving a canvas topper, it would be the thing. When I travel with guns, I'm almost always right with the vehicle. Thus this nonPC thread turns into how can you secure stuff which is portable and valuable in your Rover (of whatever description. Funny how PC or Not PC is in the mind of the beholder. Zack Pheasant hunting IS the Range Rover lifestyle. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 11:45:28 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03119 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:45:28 -0500 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:44:55 EST Subject: Re: Mojave (was Re: Diesel happy dance!!!!! ) To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/11/00 7:41:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, cirvin1258@juno.com writes: > Rifle, Colorado! > > I found a IIA SWB in a storage lot there - looked like a runner! And there are some very beautiful camping spots nearby. I stood about 7 ft from Mama Elk there. She stalked by telling with her eyes, that if I moved she would stomp me real bad. I was polite. Zack From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 14:39:13 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03248 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:39:13 -0500 Message-ID: <013801bf8b81$a4ddbae0$cb4b0740@baggarly.com> From: "Nick C. Baggarly" To: References: <20000311.073804.-261429.17.cirvin1258@juno.com> Subject: Re: Assault Weapons Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:45:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm new to guns but in Pakistan we saw what looked to be a good deal on AK-47s for US$30. The Pakistani police let us shoot one. We were 20 miles from the Afghanistan boarder so we shot away from it. http://www.aroundtheworld1999.com/023_2a.jpg Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles R Irvin To: Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 9:36 AM Subject: Re: Assault Weapons > ...I remember when the SKS dropped down to $35.00 - WITH 200 rounds of > ammo thrown in by Turners'! > > I still didn't buy one...what was I thinking!?!?!? > > Charles > > On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:18:10 -0800 "Kelly Minnick" > writes: > > Granny- > > I don't own one, but originally, the SKS was about $85 and you could > > get > > ammo cheap. It for sure wasn't the best gun in the world, but a lot > > of fun. > > Almost disposable for that price. I just plink and target shoot > > myself, but > > semi-autos can be fun and I don't destroy anything. Fully autos are > > just > > costly. I would rather go out to our test site and watch the 50 rd > > burst of > > the 20mm, 25mm or 30mm gattling guns where it doesn't cost me a cent > > (well.. > > not directly!). Later, > > > > Kelly Minnick > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > > [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org]On Behalf Of Granville Pool > > > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 9:24 PM > > > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > > Subject: Assault Weapons > > > > > > > > > >By the by, Kalifornia has BANNED even POSSESSION of an > > > >"assault weapon" on any state BLM land! So, even if > > > >you were to register it, you cannot use it out there! > > > > > > I'll bite: An assault weapon would be needed on BLM land, > > > why? I've spent my share of time on BLM land and can't > > > remember a single time I thought to myself, "Dang, I sure > > > wish I'd brought an assault weapon!" I guess I should > > > ask my son who just bought some sort of assault rifle, > > > complete with bayonet. > > > > > > > > > Granny > > > > > > > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, > where all the women are strong, > all the men are good-looking, > and all the children, are above average." > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 15:00:02 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03263 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 15:00:02 -0500 From: LRDino@aol.com Message-ID: <46.297bfed.25fbffb5@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:59:49 EST Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #67 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 68 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In my LandRover especially on off road trips I carry a choice of Colt, Smith & Wesson, or Ruger. I look on it as another tool, rarely used. Enough Said. Happy Motoring Dino TallyHo! From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 17:15:19 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03352 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 17:15:19 -0500 To: lro@playground.sun.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:14:11 -0800 Subject: Gillian is one strange lady... Message-ID: <20000311.141412.-261429.21.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4,6-7,11-12,15-24 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks, I just finished up replacing a rear leaf spring on the 109: left side was sagging dramatically. I replaced the 1-ton spring that was there, with a NATO 1-ton spring - complete witl a military shackle (1 inch taller than standard). Here's the problem: Now, after replacing ONLY one side with a military spring/shackle (civvy-spec spring/shackle still on right side), the truck sits perfectly level! I checked all measurements, and they all jive from one side to the other! Only real difference, was the NATO springs came off a LHD truck, while my truck is RHD...parhaps my chassis is tweaked in a way that I can't see???? Looking for guesstimates... Charles "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 19:01:19 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03461 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 19:01:19 -0500 Message-ID: <38CADEF6.6160FBFD@wenet.net> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 16:04:06 -0800 From: "Bruce R. Bonar" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) References: <20000310.115736.-261329.66.cirvin1258@juno.com> <4.1.20000310192232.00ba08f0@mail.halcyon.com> <001d01bf8b0f$39aa5de0$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Last time I checked, at H&H on Bond St., $75,000 would barely buy a basic double rifle. :-( Bruce Peter Hope wrote: > > By the way, John, did you notice that Land Rover has a Special Edition > Range Rover called the "Holland & Holland" Model? > > > I saw something on this in a US 4x4 mag recently. All leahter and wood, > 75+k sticker. Better come with a matched set of H&H's for that price :-) > Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 20:49:57 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03622 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:49:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200003120149.RAA29495@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: fwd: RE: Topics for discussion Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 17:49:54 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ Majordomo didn't like the winmail.dat attachment in the email. And since I'm typing, mendo_recce's charter is fairly loose. Yes, it is for Land Rover owners and discussions on, about and organizing trips of Land Rovers. However, the charter such that the list is as if we are all around the campfire at the end of the day on the trail shooting the breeze. Off topic, but related discussions happen and are to be expected so long as they don't dominate the list, that's fine by me. So if we get sidetracked into debating firearms for a few days that's ok so long as it's only a few days and we get back to Land Rovers. -Ben ] ------- Forwarded Message From: Clayton Kirkwood To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Topics for discussion: (Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 09:42:20 -0800 So, given that "logic" I can now ask questions about religion, concrete pouring, woodworking, neo-nazi-ism etc and it is now apropos. Don't think so. Common curtesy requires that the topics be pretty much on topic. Yes, I agree that gun topics *can* be related to Rovers; I have no problem with that. But I can probably find a way to relate sewing underwear to Rovers too, if by no other reason than *most* of us probably wear underwear. The same thing that makes assault weapons dangerous makes Rover drivers and their trucks dangerous. Namely, the person handling and using either one. The land closure types have good reason to try to close roads: the yahoos that feel they have the God given right to tramp all over the place disregarding respect for the land and other people's rights to have some nature left. Same with guns. It's the fools that like to misuse and abuse the privilege/right to bare arms. I have a gun and like to shoot it. I would like to get more at some point. But with that 'right' comes responsibility. So, instead of attacking those that have a good reason for not wanting things like assault weapons, work towards limiting the dangerous contingent that abuse the privilege and I'll bet that the anti-gun or gun-limiting folk will feel much more open to having guns. I've seen too many "friends" who get drunk and start shooting at *anything*. I've seen too many start shooting because they don't "see" anyone downrange. They don't think about possibilities, they think in terms of probabilities: there is probably nobody down range because they don't see anybody. Lack of thinking is not an excuse for doing stupid things. And I am sure that nobody on this list would ever misuse their gun privileges. Clayton ------- End of Forwarded Message From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 21:37:31 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03699 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 21:37:31 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 18:36:44 -0800 Subject: Re: fwd: RE: Topics for discussion Message-ID: <20000311.183645.-261429.23.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-13,15-23,26-27,30-33,37-38,40-41,43-44,46-47,49-50,52-54,56-61 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Okay folks - for those that aren't interested - STOP reading here. For those that are, this is what I got from my buddy with the gun shop: As of 01Jan2000, an "assault weapon" (per Kalifornias' definition) is: 1. ANY semi-automatic rifle which uses a removable magazine, capable of holding 10 or more rounds AND - 2. also has a fixed pistol-grip OR 3. thumbhole stock, OR 4. retractable/folding stock, OR 5. bayonet lug. It now no longer matters who made it, what it's called, or what color it is: it's a blanket law. 2. SHOTGUNS ANY semi-automatic shotgun that contains: 1. a pistol grip/thumbhole stock, OR 2. folding stock, OR 3. removable box magazine At present, it is still unclear if pump shotguns with removable box magazines (Bernadelli's, for example) are included in this law as well. (guess the DOJ hasn't ruled on this yet) ALL weapons that fall under this classification MUST be registered/removed from Kalifornia by 31 December 2000 - THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS. Now: there are a few bits of confusion here: M-1A's that have a muzzle compensator (in place of a flash hider) are exempt from the new law, as are M-1 carbines THAT DO NOT HAVE A BAYONET LUG. However, I have seen M-1 carbines on sale at a gun show last weekend, so I'd presume the DOJ is unclear on this also. M-1 Garands are exempt from the law, as they have a fixed 8-round magazine, and the only other feature they have, is the bayo lug. Ruger Mini-14's/10-22's are also exempt, as they also do not have any other features that would place them under the new law. As for SKS rifles: I forgot to ask, however, they have fixed magazines, and so long as there's no bayonet, I would imagine there's no problem. "Failure to comply" (as Seven of Nine would put it) by the end of the year, can result in you becoming a felon. Funny: Cobray's are still legal to buy - provided it has a short barrel: long barrel classifies it to be a carbine, hence - banned. Charles P.S. He had no ruling on carrying one of the above on BLM land - but he said he would look into it for us off-roaders. 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From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 23:15:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03821 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 23:15:27 -0500 Message-ID: <38CB1AE3.8742F49F@home.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:19:47 -0800 From: Fil Figueroa Organization: Empty Wallet Foundation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) References: <20000310.115736.-261329.66.cirvin1258@juno.com> <4.1.20000310192232.00ba08f0@mail.halcyon.com> <001d01bf8b0f$39aa5de0$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> <38CADEF6.6160FBFD@wenet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "Bruce R. Boner" wrote: > > Last time I checked, at H&H on Bond St., $75,000 would barely buy a basic > double rifle. :-( > > Bruce > > Peter Hope wrote: > > > > By the way, John, did you notice that Land Rover has a Special Edition > > Range Rover called the "Holland & Holland" Model? > > > > > I saw something on this in a US 4x4 mag recently. All leahter and wood, > > 75+k sticker. Better come with a matched set of H&H's for that price :-) > > Pete hi all, the rangie does not come with a H/H, add another 50K(used one) or more might do it, if anyone is interested in getting one i mean the gun, call John Collins Manager, Gun Room Holland and Holland 50 East 57th St., New York, NY. 10022 212-752-7755 a 50% deposit is required if you buy one before they commission it, btw i saw a D110 last nigth at SFO with Florida plates, it's lifted with all the trimmings plus a big *ss snorkel, the driver mentioned that he will be here for a month or so so i invited him to one of our future outings chk this out, find the devil - http://www.webcouch.com/images/devil.jpg cheers, Fil - gunpowder smell is addicting :) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Mar 11 23:21:57 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03841 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 23:21:57 -0500 Message-ID: <38CB1C6A.9D9C613E@home.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:26:18 -0800 From: Fil Figueroa Organization: Empty Wallet Foundation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: DimSum Sunday References: <20000311.183645.-261429.23.cirvin1258@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org hi all, anybody for dim sum tomorrow sunday am, meet infront of Border at Emeryville, bring your rover of course, Frank,Mehdi and I will be there so anybody who wants to join be there by 10 am, off-roading will be optional cheers, Fil From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 00:12:52 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03999 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 00:12:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200003120511.VAA11239@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 21:09:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > the rangie does not come with a H/H, add another 50K(used one) or more > might do it, if anyone is interested in getting one i mean the gun, call > I was surfing, looking for the Range Rover just last week and couldn't find anything on it, if anyone has a pointer to it, let me know. As for people trying to take our basic rights away or increase our taxes, I am totally against it... where does it stop? Someday we will wake up, and we won't be free anymore. Protect your rights, protect yourself, but be responsible with your rights and discreet with yourself. TomW not a big fan of being a "resident" of Ka > cheers, > > Fil - gunpowder smell is addicting :) > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1645.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 00:26:34 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04370 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 00:26:34 -0500 X-Sender: studios@cwnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Michael Carradine Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) Message-Id: <20000312052633.FFRG18806.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 21:26:33 -0800 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 09:09 PM 3/11/00 -0800, Tom Walsh wrote: >I was surfing, looking for the Range Rover just last >week and couldn't find anything on it, if anyone >has a pointer to it, let me know. Go to your LR dealership and ask for the latest copy of the LR Journal. >... where does it stop? Someday we will >wake up, and we won't be free anymore. That day has already passed. -Michael From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 00:38:34 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04494 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 00:38:34 -0500 Message-ID: <003101bf8be5$582bcb60$7500000a@kklaptop> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: 101 FC For Sale Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:14:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This was on the CSO list today: Kevin Kelly From: "Brian Cramer" Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:56:53 -0500 Subject: Land Rover 101 For Sale 1975 Land Rover 101 Forward Control. Left hand drive, 3.5 litre Rover V8, 12 volt electrics, original equipment PTO driven winch that recovers from either the front, or the rear. This truck is chassis #15. It comes from the world famous Dunsfold Collection, and has been featured in both the February 2000, and March 2000 issues of Land Rover World. It is one of only 948 left hand drives produced, and one only 2,660 total production. It will be the star in any Land Rover collection. It is in the U.S. now, and comes with all import documents. It is 100% mechanically sound, and comes with new Genuine canvas, new camo paint, NATO hitches front and rear, pioneer tools, and all manuals (including parts, shop, and operation). Upgraded with electronic ignition, and taller high ratio transfer gears. All services are up to date. Needs absolutely nothing! Come drive it home (it cruises easily @ 60 mph), or I can help arrange shipping anywhere in the US, or Canada. The 101s were originally used by the British Military as a gun tractor, from the Falklands to Desert Storm. How many remain? Let alone in this condition. To my knowledge there are only a handful in North America, but parts are readily available from U.S. and U.K. sources. This is the ultimate Land Rover. Show it, off road it, or turn it into an expedition vehicle. No matter which, this truck won't disappoint. Bid on it now on eBay. The auction number is #275463865, or here's the direct link: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=27546 3865 I will do my best to sell this truck now, whether, or not it reaches my reserve! Thanks for the bandwidth, Brian Cramer Mount Laurel, NJ 1994 D90 #1251 1975 101 FC (LHD chassis 15) 1960 SII SWB (future project) From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 00:44:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04508 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 00:44:25 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: fwd: RE: Topics for discussion Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 21:52:20 -0800 Message-ID: <000101bf8be7$2142dec0$0805193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <20000311.183645.-261429.23.cirvin1258@juno.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This includes billy clubs, a piece of pipe, a shovel handle, my nunchaku's, etc. Like I said, READ SB-23... Kelly Minnick > Okay folks - for those that aren't interested - STOP reading here. > > For those that are, this is what I got from my buddy with the gun shop: > > As of 01Jan2000, an "assault weapon" (per Kalifornias' definition) is: > > 1. ANY semi-automatic rifle which uses a removable magazine, capable of > holding 10 or more rounds AND - > > 2. also has a fixed pistol-grip OR > 3. thumbhole stock, OR > 4. retractable/folding stock, OR > 5. bayonet lug. > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 01:01:23 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04522 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 01:01:23 -0500 From: LRDino@aol.com Message-ID: <99.247338b.25fc8c8d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 01:00:45 EST Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #68 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 68 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Too early for Dim Sum for me Fil. Have good one. Helloe Mehjidhi Dino From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 01:04:13 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04532 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 01:04:13 -0500 X-Sender: studios@cwnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Michael Carradine Subject: RE: Topics for discussion Message-Id: <20000312060411.FTVI18806.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 22:04:11 -0800 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 06:36 PM 3/11/00, Charles R Irvin wrote: >Okay folks - for those that aren't interested - STOP reading here. Ditto. >As of 01Jan2000, an "assault weapon" (per Kalifornias' definition) is: > >1. ANY semi-automatic rifle which uses a removable magazine, >capable of holding 10 or more rounds AND - > >2. also has a fixed pistol-grip OR >3. thumbhole stock, OR >4. retractable/folding stock, OR >5. bayonet lug. So for example, does this mean that an AR-15 (M-16 lookalike) with any or all of the features 2 to 5 above, but with a 9 round magazine is exempt? A 10+ round magazine by itself would be exempt? Put the two together and you need to register? At 09:52 PM 3/11/00 -0800, Kelly Minnick wrote: >This includes billy clubs, a piece of pipe, a shovel handle, >my nunchaku's, etc. Like I said, READ SB-23... Yes, but where? -Michael From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 01:13:28 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04545 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 01:13:28 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: "Mendo" Subject: Diesel Conversions Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 22:21:23 -0800 Message-ID: <000301bf8beb$303c5920$0805193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just thinking out load here.. Has anyone looked at the little BMW 524td motor for a Series engine swap? 2.4L turbo diesel, 115hp @4800, 155 lb-ft@2400. And you can get a new rebuilt one with no core charge for $2900. (I know that's not cheap, but probably a lot cheaper than a 300 TDi.). Any thoughts? Kelly Minnick From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 01:13:49 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04554 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 01:13:49 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: "Mendo" Subject: Diesel Conversions Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 22:21:44 -0800 Message-ID: <000001bf8beb$3d332280$0805193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just thinking out load here.. Has anyone looked at the little BMW 524td motor for a Series engine swap? 2.4L turbo diesel, 115hp @4800, 155 lb-ft@2400. And you can get a new rebuilt one with no core charge for $2900. (I know that's not cheap, but probably a lot cheaper than a 300 TDi.). Any thoughts? Kelly Minnick From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 01:14:51 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04564 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 01:14:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200003120612.WAA25022@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 22:10:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: DimSum Sunday X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I love dim sum but to short a notice, as My sister is coming up to show her Hummer to a friend of myne... PS: I went to hollister with her today... and took the hummer through the obstacles ( with her driving ) .. We are getting her skill sets up to par, and will be going more often, I may post when we go TomW > > hi all, > > anybody for dim sum tomorrow sunday am, meet infront of Border at > Emeryville, bring your rover of course, Frank,Mehdi and I will be there > so anybody who wants to join be there by 10 am, off-roading will be > optional > > cheers, > > Fil > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1645.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 01:19:34 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04574 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 01:19:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200003120619.WAA29967@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Topics for discussion In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 11 Mar 2000 22:04:11 PST." <20000312060411.FTVI18806.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 22:19:32 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <20000312060411.FTVI18806.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a>you wrot e: > >This includes billy clubs, a piece of pipe, a shovel handle, > >my nunchaku's, etc. Like I said, READ SB-23... > > Yes, but where? For all versions and history: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=sb_23&sess=CUR&house=B For that which was put into law: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_0001-0050/sb_23_bill_19990719_chaptered.html Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 01:28:51 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04585 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 01:28:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200003120626.WAA27216@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 22:24:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Diesel Conversions X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Just thinking out load here.. Has anyone looked at the little BMW 524td > motor for a Series engine swap? 2.4L turbo diesel, 115hp @4800, 155 > lb-ft@2400. And you can get a new rebuilt one with no core charge for $2900. > (I know that's not cheap, but probably a lot cheaper than a 300 TDi.). Any > thoughts? Hp looks about right, whats the weight and the bell housing situation. TomW > > Kelly Minnick > > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1645.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 01:54:39 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04597 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 01:54:39 -0500 Message-ID: <010801bf8bed$d488ac20$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: <003101bf8be5$582bcb60$7500000a@kklaptop> Subject: Re: 101 FC For Sale Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:40:09 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > This was on the CSO list today: > > 1975 Land Rover 101 Forward Control. > Bid on it now on eBay Appeared on the LRO also. I also see that the vehicle has been listed on the LRX page as of today. Exchange add doesn't mention anything about it being on ebay though. Sent the seller email asking what the reserve price was, never heard back from him. Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 01:55:13 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04607 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 01:55:13 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 22:53:25 -0800 Subject: Re: Topics for discussion Message-ID: <20000311.225327.-205665.0.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-5,10-11,16-17,23-24,27-30,38-39,48-49,54-55,57-60,62-76 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Negatory: the magazine is removable - thus, a larger capacity can be installed. (albeit, not legally on rifles purchassed AFTER 31December 1999) I would presume that ANY combination of features would take the rifle away, but the main target (pardon the pun) was semi-auto's with removable mags. Unless purchased BEFORE 31December1999, thou shalt not posess, borrow, find on the sidewalk, purchase, manufacture, OR steal - ANY magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds. Law enforcement/military are only exceptions (as I said before - they can't shoot for s$#t! They need the extra rounds). Bad news is, they can only identify modified magazines purchased AFTER 31 December 1998, because all 10 round magazines are dated from that point onwards - this leaves a loophole open for confiscation, because how many of us saved our receipts for magazine purchases from 20 years ago???? How about those magazines we left in our pockets when leaving base??? Thou shalt not convert rifles/shotguns purchased after 31 December 1999, into a configuration similar to that purchased on or before 31 December 1999 - this too, is a felony. (those that have M-1A's and M-1 carbines purchased before the effective date, pay attention to this: to keep your rifle from being covered under the mandatory assault weapon registration, remove flash hider/bayonet lug, and install muzzle brake) Also - thou shalt not install a magazine capable of holding more than 10 rounds into a rifle purchased AFTER 31 December 1999 - again, law enforcement/military are sole exceptions. It's old, but since I'm thinking about it: thou shalt not transport ANY weapon in Kalifornia, unless it is unloaded/locked in a container, and ammunition (if any) is seperate - also in a lockable container: this is a BIG grey area for Land Rover owners that have a 88", because there's no such thing as a lockable container in your vehicles (we're talking rifles here). Result is at least two lockable containers must be purchased. If weapon/ammo are in same place, it's called carrying a loaded/concealed weapon. (bang - you just got hit with another felony) Kelly is right - anybody that carries ANY kind of weapon while off-roading had better take a looksee at what this law sez: it covers alot more than just guns, so all of you - even gun haters - had better take notice before YOU unknowingly become a felon. I myself haven't read it yet, but from what I've been told by very reliable sources, I don't think I'll be carrying any pepper spray on me, either. (carrying a concealed/concealable weapon in some eyes) All it takes is one traffic stop for a burnt-out tail light (how many Land Rover owners are known for that?), and it's all over for 'ya. I'd guess that the National Rifle Association (yes - those so-called "terrorists" by some) should have a copy of it on their website, along with laws for all 50 states. (me thinketh it's still www.nra.org) Also, try California Rifle and Pistol Association - I know not what their website address is. (www.crpa.org?) I've got it: SuperSoaker loaded with miriatic acid??? (honestly officer: I didn't know my neighbors' kid had that stuff in there!) Charles On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 22:04:11 -0800 Michael Carradine writes: > > > So for example, does this mean that an AR-15 > (M-16 lookalike) with any or all of the features 2 to 5 > above, but with a 9 round magazine is exempt? > > A 10+ round magazine by itself would be exempt? > > Put the two together and you need to register? "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 01:56:52 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04617 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 01:56:52 -0500 Message-ID: <010e01bf8bee$22c6e280$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: <000101bf8be7$2142dec0$0805193f@minnick> Subject: Re: fwd: RE: Topics for discussion Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:42:26 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > This includes billy clubs, a piece of pipe, a shovel handle, my nunchaku's, > etc. Like I said, READ SB-23... > > Kelly Minnick > Found all the info including full text at www.regagun.org From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 01:58:47 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04627 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 01:58:47 -0500 Message-ID: <011801bf8bee$67865f40$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: <20000312060411.FTVI18806.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> Subject: Re: Topics for discussion Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:44:18 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > So for example, does this mean that an AR-15 > (M-16 lookalike) with any or all of the features 2 to 5 > above, but with a 9 round magazine is exempt? > Nope, because it is "capable" of taking a magazine that holds more rounds, but very interesting point of view From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 02:51:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04647 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 02:51:04 -0500 X-Sender: studios@cwnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Michael Carradine Subject: Re: Topics for discussion Message-Id: <20000312075102.QEH5760.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c895892-a> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 23:51:02 -0800 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 08:44 PM 3/11/00 -1000, you wrote: >> >> So for example, does this mean that an AR-15 >> (M-16 lookalike) with any or all of the features 2 to 5 >> above, but with a 9 round magazine is exempt? >> >Nope, because it is "capable" of taking a magazine that holds >more rounds, but very interesting point of view If all new magazines are less than 10 rounds and are dated (on the magazine I assume), and these are the only magazines you have, the rifle would not be capable of taking a large capacity (non-existing) magazine. The act of procuring a large capacity magazine would then be in violation of the act. I'd say, put all existing large capacity magazines away from the immediate vicinity of the rifle. -Michael From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 05:39:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA04994 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 05:39:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200003121039.CAA03351@smtp.Stanford.EDU> X-Sender: waycool@popserver.stanford.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 02:36:33 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: waycool@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rich Lee MD) Subject: Kalifornia Gun Laws (minimal Rover content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi All, A few questions and comments: First, what is the status of weapons that were already registered in 1990? Second, I hear that any 12 guage pump shotgun (with 5+ round capacity) can hold and "deploy" more lethal lead in 5 seconds (using 00 or 000 shells) than the average full-auto Uzi with a 30 round clip (gunsmiths and gunfreaks out there, please correct me if this is incorrect). So anyone can still legally purchase weapons of equal lethality (if that is what you want). Third, in response to Granny's and Kelly Minnick's postings... >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:09:12 -0800 >From: "Kelly Minnick" >Subject: RE: Assault Weapons > >Personally, I could care less if someone was firing off a length or 50 cal. >full auto as long as it's not destroying anything or causing anyone >health/safety/noise problems. That's the problem, as others have posted. Just because you can't see or hear them, it does not mean that someone isn't out there on BLM lands rockhunting with their kids, hiking, biking, paddling or bouldering in the canyons. I would hope that anyone who is "packing" and "plinking" on these trips always shoots only where they can see where their bullets will stop. Not everyone can see and hear 400 yds away. Every time I have heard bullets whizzing by me (once, with many rounds at full-auto) , it was in a remote outdoor setting, and the "marksmen" were exercizing their 2nd ammendment rights where they thought nobody was in range. Except in one case, where they thought it was fun to "pin down" some long-haired kayakers for a while in a remote river canyon. In ALL cases, these guys were driving Jeeps. For decades, this was my most powerful impression of the kind of people enjoyed off-roading. Knowing and driving with the folks on this list (even the heavily-armed ones) has changed my impression, but I still have those nasty memories. >As far as carrying weapons on Rover trip, I do many times in some of these >desert canyons where there are unknown mine dwellers. We got stopped once at >goller by a man brandishing his shotgun from Charlie Manson's old house. He >was not going to let us go up the BLM road. My buds kindly laid their >pistols across the hood of their Jeep and the guy put his gun down and was >all friendly. Imagine... Imagine as he saw your buds getting out their pistols, he then decided that his job had just changed from intimidator to "terminator" and he pumped away with his 8 shot Mossberg (see question #2 above). > >Another guy at work stopped at Red Rock canyon to help some guys with their >broken down car. (His 'bug' is camo in color, just a note). He rolls down >his window about 2 inches and one of the guy says, "Give us your money." But >he didn't hear what they said. So when they repeated it, a guy jumps out of >the bushes and fires his shotgun into the front of his bug. He pulls out his >9mm and empties it at the 3 of them while tearing out of there. He went to a >call box and called the HWY patrol. He had killed one and injured another. >The third was thrilled to see the police. The problem with this story (and many like it) is that others may think they will have the same outcome if they have the right gun at their side and are just quick enough on the draw. I remember vividly all the gunshot trauma cases I treated during my residency at San Jose Hospital, where the patient thought they would be as lucky and prepared. I'm curious as to how the friends & family (and more often, attourney) of the injured guy responded to your co-workers action. Could just "tearing out of there" (their car was broken down) have been sufficient to save his skin? I would think twice (as I'm sure he now does) about stopping for a group of guys while driving alone in the middle of nowhere. My (unsolicited, unprofessional, but well-researched) advice for those who are Rovering alone in remote areas and come across a similar situation is to treat it with the same proceedure as a "felony stop". Before you get anywhere closer than shouting (and possibly shooting) range, do the following. 1. Before you stop, be sure there is an exit route. and lock all doors (where locks are applicable/functional). 2. Check your mirrors before you stop, in case you have suddenly picked up an "escort". If so, slow-down well before the scene, signal and wave them by (let them be "point"). If they don't go past you, go to step #7. 3. Stop well before you reach the vehicle in question. 4. Check to see if radios or cell phones are hitting anything, key up ch 9/19 on the CB and try to raise a REACT base. Also, see if you can reach 911 or the local law (you have the numbers either posted where you can see them or stored on your phone, right?) The strangers, seeing you looking like you are talking to someone may think twice. 5. Keep the engine running, tranny in gear and foot on brake. 6. Have headlights on (either on high beam, or on low beam with all your Hella 4000s set to go on the second you hit high-beam). You might want to have your flashers going as well. 7.If you are not confident that you are safe from harm at this time, say nothing and retreat to a safe place and call for help (for them and hopefully not you). 8. If you are REALLY confident that you are safe at this distance (check the area around you as well), roll down your window and shout "Stay there, I'll get some help". A PA amplifier & speaker on your CB is very helpful at times like this. This will also lower their fears that you might be a bandit (driving a rover already goes a long way here) and lower the probability that they will feel the need to do something stupid in self-defense. 9. If it looks like they are complying. You may then take some time to further examine the situation from your driver's seat. If you are far enough away, survey the scene with the binoculars you keep close by. You might also snap a photo of the scene from inside your vehicle (say "smile"). Also, write down the milege on your odometer and their license plate # if you can see it from a safe distance. If they are not complying, go to step #7. 10. If all still looks innocent, you might ask one of the more harmless-looking persons to come over and tell you more about the situation. What transpires from here on is up to your best judgement and luck. . If it suddenly no longer feels right, trust your fear and go to step #7. 11. If you follow the above steps and things suddenly do look hostile, give them a full dose of all available photons, turn around and bug-out of there as quickly (and with as much dust) as you SAFELY can. These measures are equally appropriate if you are unarmed or if you have a 454 Kazul (sp) in your lap. As much as we all want to be self-reliant and helpful and as much as we would like to see human scum vanquished, we can't control all variables. Hostile gunplay is about the most chaotic and unpredictable situation one can get into. Try to think of every possible way to avoid it before you even begin to think about how you will survive it. > >No, I'm NOT advocating carrying loaded weapons. I'm not sure what I'm >advocating, except I know there are some distorted people out there that >DON'T have my best interest in mind. Sorry for the length. Later, > >Kelly Minnick >I'll bite: An assault weapon would be needed on BLM land, >why? I've spent my share of time on BLM land and can't >remember a single time I thought to myself, "Dang, I sure >wish I'd brought an assault weapon!" I guess I should >ask my son who just bought some sort of assault rifle, >complete with bayonet. > > >Granny > I enjoy this list and the people on it, mosty for the information, and sometimes for the entertainment, particularly when folks get emotional. Gun's & Rovers and particularly guns tend to get people emotional. Feel free to speak your mind, but as TomW said, "be discreet" Some subscribers to this list may have a very negative opinion of BOTH guns and Rovers and be waiting to say in land use hearings "see those off-road types are ALL the same". For everyone's sake, please Tread Lightly, please Shoot Safely. Concerning guns (yours or mine), it looks like I will be adopting more the practice of "don't ask, don't tell". Rover On Rich From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 08:50:56 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA05056 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 08:50:56 -0500 Message-ID: <000001bf8c31$f0c52000$19910ccf@kiotee> From: "Roy H Caldwell" To: Subject: Re: Topics for discussion Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 07:45:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I can't speak for the other members of military organizations regarding marksmanship. But for myself, as an active member, I can shoot worth s###. In the two situations where I had to carry a weapon for real, Desert Storm and Bosnia, it was my tactic to be able to hit first round and run like hell. That is only because the unit I served with where both the smallest authorized units in the Army. So we didn't have a bunch of tactical strength. Nor heavy weapons. Besides using full auto just makes you stand out as a good stupid target. The trained doctirne is single acurately placed rounds. Current qualification ranges use targets from 50 to 400 meters. The hardest qualification round I have ever had to do was at night, 30 degress, wearing a gas mask. Since I wear glasses, getting a sight window with the prescription inserts in the prone position was a real treat. I did qualify. However this is just one soliders experience. Your Mileage May Vary!!!!! Roy >From the Big Sky Country. Where Men are Men and the Land Rovers are nervous. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 10:15:16 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05092 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 10:15:16 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 07:14:57 -0800 Subject: Re: Topics for discussion Message-ID: <20000312.071458.-205665.4.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-4,6-11,13-29 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, that's how lawmakers in this state work: if the weapon has the ability to accept larger capacity mags, and has any of the other features that deem it to be even more deadly than it already is - and you have existing higher capacity mags - then there is the "intent" factor. Prsonally, I never go more than 20 rounds: anything more, and it costs too much too fast. Off to play with the 109 now... Charles On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 23:51:02 -0800 Michael Carradine writes: > > If all new magazines are less than 10 rounds and are dated > (on the magazine I assume), and these are the only magazines > you have, the rifle would not be capable of taking a large > capacity (non-existing) magazine. The act of procuring a > large capacity magazine would then be in violation of the > act. I'd say, put all existing large capacity magazines > away from the immediate vicinity of the rifle. > > -Michael > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 10:40:33 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05108 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 10:40:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200003121540.HAA30286@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 101 FC For Sale In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:40:09 -1000." <010801bf8bed$d488ac20$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 07:40:31 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <010801bf8bed$d488ac20$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com>you wrote: > > This was on the CSO list today: > > > > 1975 Land Rover 101 Forward Control. > > Bid on it now on eBay > > Appeared on the LRO also. And on the 101 list, and I think the D90 list. > Sent the seller email asking what the reserve price was, never heard back > from him. It's more than $12,100. Which is pretty annoying I'd bet for the auction since he started the bidding at $5k. Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 12:26:44 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05238 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:26:44 -0500 Message-ID: <38CBD3B7.58A99258@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 09:28:23 -0800 From: "Franklin H. Yap" X-Sender: "Franklin H. Yap" <@mail.earthlink.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-FLASHNET (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Topics for discussion References: <000001bf8c31$f0c52000$19910ccf@kiotee> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Roy H Caldwell wrote: > ... So we didn't have a bunch of tactical > strength. Nor heavy weapons. Besides using full auto just makes you stand > out as a good stupid target. Another reason (adding to the divergence from the LR topic): the local West Pointer in my office, who liked 'nam so much he went back for a second stint after being wounded, told me he often wouldn't allow his men to fire full auto ... I think he said you can only carry so much ammo on patrol and you want to make sure you have enough on the way back. I remember he also said something about replacing the lead with soap to shoot at rodents in camp while you're bored but as I'm writing this I'm thinking its not quite as simple as it sounds ... Frank From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 12:34:52 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05253 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:34:52 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 09:33:12 -0800 Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (Pelican Cases) From: unimog To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <38C9B1F9.CEF24B55@wenet.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org i can get dealer pricing on all pelican cases. i have the same one you want, 50x13x6, for my 7mm mag. i think it was about $110 a year or two ago which is about half off. let me know. -luke > From: "Bruce R. Bonar" > Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:39:53 -0800 > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) > > Speaking of Pelican cases, does anyone know of a good source with reasonable > prices, relatively speaking? I need one of the 50x13 ones w/ foam. > > Bruce From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 13:36:53 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05317 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:36:53 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000312084434.00acb100@hgea01.hgea.org> X-Sender: ogilvi@hgea01.hgea.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 08:44:34 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie Subject: Re: Topics for discussion In-Reply-To: <38CBD3B7.58A99258@earthlink.net> References: <000001bf8c31$f0c52000$19910ccf@kiotee> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Standard rotation for anyone in combat arms of the military with time available for deployment. He didn't need to volunteer, Johnson made sure that you had opportunity to see Viet Nam again. As a Regular Officer, he was guaranteed to go twice. Any truth to the rumor that the military has found full auto to be less than ideal. Heard they only allow 3 shot cycling. Full auto seems to put lots of holes up and to the right, not on target. Aloha Peter Kona Coffee Rover who liked 'nam so much he went back for a >second stint after being wounded, From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 14:11:11 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05384 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 14:11:11 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01bf8c5e$b09914a0$06910ccf@kiotee> From: "Roy H Caldwell" To: Subject: Re: Topics for discussion Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:08:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The latest model M-16 A2 can only select fire single and three round bursts. It can be busted to be fullauto. What has been realized over the years is that generally speaking only three out of ten in combat actually fire their weapons. So the reality is that there will always be plenty of ammo either hanging off people or laying around. I also beleive that the three round burst was used because it was found to be as effective or more effective for acurately putting bullets on target. This is the logic. If you train a soldier to place well aimed single shots then at the three round burst all three will likely hit the target before the aim falls off. That is if the soldier aim well and then selected burst. That is the theory. You know how theory and combat work out. Roy From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 14:27:45 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05409 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 14:27:45 -0500 Message-ID: <015401bf8c56$99faf4a0$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: <000001bf8c31$f0c52000$19910ccf@kiotee> <3.0.1.32.20000312084434.00acb100@hgea01.hgea.org> Subject: Re: Topics for discussion Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 09:10:13 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Any truth to the rumor that the military has found full auto to be less > than ideal. Heard they only allow 3 shot cycling. Full auto seems to put > lots of holes up and to the right, not on target. > As well as having a tighter twist (1in7 vs 1in12) the A2 also "features" a 3rd burst mode instead of a full auto option. The Army I believe was the main proponent for this. The USMC teaches it's people how to shoot better then any other PMI I have encountered. In the Army only Infantry branch gets any fullauto training and it's usually only for a single day during training. So one of the requirements for a new weapon was one that did not allow soldiers to fire full auto. No need to train them to use the existing weapon correctly. So what's the end result? Well I can still empty a 30rd mag in a few seconds. They still don't teach auto fire weapon control. Still don't stress "one shot one kill" or "line of sight-point of impact". Most training is done with blanks (cheeper) and using MILES (over priced laser tag). Soldiers learn that to keep from getting hit they just need to hide behind a bush. Also a laser doesn't have much of a trajectory does it. Yes I am kinda passionate on this issue. Because of budget constraints we do not spend enough time on marksmanship. Instead they are working on a computerized M16 that shoots around corners. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 17:03:01 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05476 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:03:01 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34.2636b65.25fbce0c@aol.com> References: <34.2636b65.25fbce0c@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:59:55 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: john hess Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > >Zack >Pheasant hunting IS the Range Rover lifestyle. Wouldn't the real Range Rover lifestyle be to shoot pheasants that are driven to you by the local serf/peasants? Might spill the sherry if you had to walk, old chap. John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 17:34:55 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05516 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:34:55 -0500 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 16:34:52 -0600 From: esimpson@acesag.auburn.edu (Eugene H. Simpson III) Message-Id: <200003122234.QAA03839@comer70.acesag.auburn.edu> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 15:00:10 -0800 From: "Franklin H. Yap" X-Sender: "Franklin H. Yap" <@mail.earthlink.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-FLASHNET (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Topics for discussion References: <000001bf8c31$f0c52000$19910ccf@kiotee> <3.0.1.32.20000312084434.00acb100@hgea01.hgea.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Faye and Peter Ogilvie wrote: > > Standard rotation for anyone in combat arms of the military with time > available for deployment. He didn't need to volunteer, Johnson made sure > that you had opportunity to see Viet Nam again. As a Regular Officer, he > was guaranteed to go twice. Hmmm ... it was my understanding after his injuries he did not have to go back. This will certainly tarnish his image if true! Frank From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 18:38:38 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05736 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:38:38 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Topics for discussion Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 15:46:33 -0800 Message-ID: <000b01bf8c7d$3285e6a0$3305193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <38CBD3B7.58A99258@earthlink.net> Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Studies have shown that the number of shots fired/amount that hit anything has climbed to a staggering level since the auto weapon. This is talking about guns that can be carried. I'll have to dig the numbers back up, but basically, in the civil war when so much work/time was involved in a reload, they were much more careful how they shot! Kelly Minnick > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org > [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org]On Behalf Of Franklin H. Yap > Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2000 9:28 AM > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: Re: Topics for discussion > > > Roy H Caldwell wrote: > > ... So we didn't have a bunch of tactical > > strength. Nor heavy weapons. Besides using full auto just > makes you stand > > out as a good stupid target. > > Another reason (adding to the divergence from the LR topic): the local > West Pointer in my office, who liked 'nam so much he went back for a > second stint after being wounded, told me he often wouldn't allow his > men to fire full auto ... I think he said you can only carry so much > ammo on patrol and you want to make sure you have enough on the way > back. > > I remember he also said something about replacing the lead with soap to > shoot at rodents in camp while you're bored but as I'm writing this I'm > thinking its not quite as simple as it sounds ... > > Frank > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 19:01:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05775 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 19:01:08 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Kalifornia Gun Laws (minimal Rover content) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 16:09:03 -0800 Message-ID: <000d01bf8c80$5764f580$3305193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200003121039.CAA03351@smtp.Stanford.EDU> Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rich said... > Third, in response to Granny's and Kelly Minnick's postings... > > > > >Personally, I could care less if someone was firing off a length > or 50 cal. > >full auto as long as it's not destroying anything or causing anyone > >health/safety/noise problems. > > That's the problem, as others have posted. Just because you can't > see or hear them, it does not mean that someone isn't out there on BLM > lands rockhunting with their kids, hiking, biking, paddling or bouldering > in the canyons. I would hope that anyone who is "packing" and Point well taken, but I only shoot in areas that are wide open with banks for shooting against. These are know shooting areas and I can see people coming for miles. I DO agreee with you. > My buds kindly laid their > >pistols across the hood of their Jeep and the guy put his gun > down and was > >all friendly. Imagine... > > Imagine as he saw your buds getting out their pistols, he then > decided that his job had just changed from intimidator to > "terminator" and > he pumped away with his 8 shot Mossberg (see question #2 above). > That's why I said my BUD's did this. If I can't talk someone into letting me use a road (even if it is a BLM one), I move on. Like my dad always said, never pull a weapon unless you are willing to use it. That's where my religious conviction comes in (another thread?) > > > > He went to a > >call box and called the HWY patrol. He had killed one and > injured another. > >The third was thrilled to see the police. > > The problem with this story (and many like it) is that others may > think they will have the same outcome if they have the right gun at their > side and are just quick enough on the draw. Their car was NOT really broken down. The outcome could have been they shot him first and just took his money. I personally do not like to be in the path of high velocity lead. Funny thing about me, I guess. I would have been shot or they would have got my whole $3 that I normally have in my wallet (if that much). This heads back to my religious convictions... Later, Kelly Minnick From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 19:11:34 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05787 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 19:11:34 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Topics for discussion Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 16:19:31 -0800 Message-ID: <000f01bf8c81$cd5c20a0$3305193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000e01bf8c5e$b09914a0$06910ccf@kiotee> Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org We have videos of guys holding their M-16 above their heads (in foxholes) and firing them with 2 hands (or should I say spraying their rounds). Funny some of the stuff we work on. Another interesting one was where the delay charges were being left out of the grenades... Later, Kelly Minnick > > > The latest model M-16 A2 can only select fire single and three > round bursts. > It can be busted to be fullauto. What has been realized over the years is > that generally speaking only three out of ten in combat actually > fire their > weapons. So the reality is that there will always be plenty of > ammo either > hanging off people or laying around. I also beleive that the three round > burst was used because it was found to be as effective or more > effective for > acurately putting bullets on target. This is the logic. If you train a > soldier to place well aimed single shots then at the three round burst all > three will likely hit the target before the aim falls off. That is if the > soldier aim well and then selected burst. > > That is the theory. You know how theory and combat work out. > > Roy > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 19:15:02 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05801 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 19:15:02 -0500 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Diesel Conversions Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 16:22:59 -0800 Message-ID: <001101bf8c82$4934d6e0$3305193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200003120626.WAA27216@proxy4.ba.best.com> Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org That's an unknown, but I do know that they are very smooth and fairly quiet. Brain? Kevin? Kelly Minnick > > Just thinking out load here.. Has anyone looked at the little BMW 524td > > motor for a Series engine swap? 2.4L turbo diesel, 115hp @4800, 155 > > lb-ft@2400. And you can get a new rebuilt one with no core > charge for $2900. > > (I know that's not cheap, but probably a lot cheaper than a 300 > TDi.). Any > > thoughts? > > Hp looks about right, whats the weight and the bell housing > situation. > > TomW From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 19:46:05 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05824 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 19:46:05 -0500 Message-ID: <20000313004551.22636.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 16:45:51 -0800 (PST) From: joe mulqueen Subject: minmania "swapmeet" results To: mendo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, I got a pretty good deal: Two complete Hella H4 headlamp assys for $30. There was guy with a nice light green (the remaining paint) SIIA 88 selling a bunch of brit car books. I didn't get his name though.... JoeMulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 20:51:09 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05885 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 20:51:09 -0500 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:51:02 -0800 (PST) From: Alexander George Cooper Message-Id: <200003130151.RAA01172@epic11.Stanford.EDU> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Pictures Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have added some more pictures to my web page at 63.195.181.180/Alex/lr/index.html There are some pictures from both trail clearing trips as well as the Los Padres National Forest recce, in addition to the Pismo pictures from the FHL trip that were posted previously. Alexander From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 22:14:03 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06014 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:14:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200003130312.TAA05757@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 19:10:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Topics for discussion X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Yes I am kinda passionate on this issue. Because of budget constraints we > do not spend enough time on marksmanship. Instead they are working on a > computerized M16 that shoots around corners. Well if its running windows, that gives new meaning to the blud screen of death if it crashes! TomW, bursts of 3 *are* superior! > > > > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1645.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 23:12:12 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06183 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:12:12 -0500 Message-ID: <001501bf8ca0$b5cc8a00$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: Cc: Subject: Koenig winch help needed Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:00:42 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Aloha, a couple months back I posted that I was in need of the adapter that bolts to the engine crank pulley for the koenig winch. This is the 8000lb king that is driven by a short shaft connected to the vehicles engine crank. I had tons of responses but never did receive a single drawing or picture of the item that I could use to have one fabricated up. So anyone out there have a spare adapter? Someone mentioned that they might be able to get one made up. I have the body back on my custom frame. Just have to finish the wiring and some other smaller items and she will be running (spring break maybe). I would hate to have to buy a complete winch, make a copy of the adapter and then sell the winch ;-) Much mahalo, Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Mar 12 23:24:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06214 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:24:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200003130422.UAA23215@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 20:20:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Topics for discussion X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > From: "Tom Walsh" > > Yes I am kinda passionate on this issue. Because of budget constraints we > > do not spend enough time on marksmanship. Instead they are working on a > > computerized M16 that shoots around corners. > > Well if its running windows, that gives new meaning to the blud err.. "blue" screen of death ( damn laptop keyboard! ) > screen of death if it crashes! > *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1645.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 00:12:15 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06381 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:12:15 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000312211058.006bb5d0@pacific.net> X-Sender: gpool@pacific.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:10:58 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Granville Pool Subject: Re: Pictures In-Reply-To: <200003130151.RAA01172@epic11.Stanford.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Alexander, Thanks! Some great photos of the trail clearing trips. I especially like the one on the first trip of Rob's 88 x-axled. In the Los Padres photo of all assembled on a bluff, with the ocean as backdrop, I spy a D130 crewcab. I'm sure it was mentioned on the list but I've forgotten. Whose is it? Thanks again, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 01:53:09 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06915 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 01:53:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200003130653.WAA30742@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: fwd: Re: Kalifornia Gun Laws (minimal Rover content) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:53:06 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ------- Forwarded Message From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Re: Kalifornia Gun Laws (minimal Rover content) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 16:39:07 -0800 I don't want to turn this in to a "guns & rovers" list but I appreciate updates on changes to CA gun laws (a P.S. take a look at this link is fine). I don't want to end up in jail because a ranger searching my Range Rover finds an illegal 13 round clip in the Browning 9mm I got for my 12th birthday (my Mom didn't know my Dad gave it to me). I stocked up on "pre ban" Browning and Berretta clips a few years ago, and it wouldn't surprise me if posesing them becomes a felony some day. Living in San Francisco I rarely talk about guns since most people in the city think the only people that own guns are psychos that shoot up (or are planning to shoot up) High Schools and Day Care Centers. This list (and list related trips) are one of the few places I'll have the chance to hear about gun law changes. Dianne Feinstein and her husband Richard Blum live two blocks away from me (when they are not out of town passing legislation to keep citizens off public land or setting up shell companies to rip off the U.S. government). I bet I wouldn't be able to get within 50 feet of their front door before an armed body guard approached me. It always seems hypocritical to me when people who are surrounded by guns every day want to ban them. I agree with Rich on the "don't ask don't tell" aspect of gun ownership. Debating gun laws (or even the second amendment) is worse than getting in to a Bud vs. Miller, Ford vs. Chevy, or Mac vs. PC debate. Rich wrote: >I hear that any 12 gauge pump shotgun (with 5+ >round capacity) can hold and "deploy" more lethal >lead in 5 seconds (using 00 or 000 shells) than >the average full-auto Uzi with a 30 round clip (gunsmiths >and gunfreaks out there, please correct me if this is >incorrect). The key word is "lethal", a pump shotgun with 5 rounds of OO Buck will deploy more lead projectiles than a full auto Uzi with a 30 round clip, but it will not deploy more "lethal" lead. I have never gone duck hunting, but I know a lot of duck hunters, and it seems like every hunter knows a few people who have been hit with buckshot, very few had major injuries. Getting hit with a little buckshot will probably not kill anyone, while a half dozen 9mm rounds from an Uzi will do some real damage. When I was in college we would go out to the desert to go shooting and everyone's favorite gun was the full auto Ruger 10/22 rifle with the 200 round clip, it was just as fun as the full auto Uzi, but cost a lot less. With two 50 round clips taped together the Uzi could blow through $10 worth (at the b*lk mail order price) of ammo in 10 seconds. The winner of the "lethal lead" prize would have to be the Mac 11 that could pump out an incredible amount of 45 caliber slugs in a few seconds. Kevin Kelly ------- End of Forwarded Message From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 02:40:14 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06960 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 02:40:14 -0500 Message-ID: <003b01bf8cbd$bea2a160$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: Cc: Subject: a 130 Dormie Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:28:33 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ALoha, created a Photoshop version of my dream machine, can be seen at: http://www.geocities.com/aloharovers/whatif.htm Along with an 80" and a 100" defender hybrids. Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 02:54:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06971 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 02:54:00 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:29:39 -0800 Subject: Re: fwd: Re: Kalifornia Gun Laws (minimal Rover content) Message-ID: <20000312.235233.-205665.5.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-5,7-28 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org That very same bodyguard has been busted at San Francisco Intl. Airport TWICE, for trying to carry a firearm through the terminal! Not only that, but he doesn't even have a concealed carry permit! Charles On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:53:06 -0800 Benjamin Allan Smith writes: > > ------- Forwarded Message > > From: "Kevin Kelly" > To: "Mendo List" > Subject: Re: Kalifornia Gun Laws (minimal Rover content) > Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 16:39:07 -0800 > > Dianne Feinstein and her husband Richard Blum live two > blocks away from me (when they are not out of town passing > legislation to keep citizens off public land or setting up > shell companies to rip off the U.S. government). I bet I > wouldn't be able to get within 50 feet of their front door > before an armed body guard approached me. It always seems > hypocritical to me when people who are surrounded by guns > every day want to ban them. "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 02:54:12 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06980 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 02:54:12 -0500 To: lro@playground.sun.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:52:31 -0800 Subject: Test results... Message-ID: <20000312.235233.-205665.8.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4,7-10,18-19,23-24,27-34 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks, Took Gillian for a shakedown run out to Barstow today - with Ben Smith chasing me with his 101! Both trucks performed near flawlessly: Gillians' brake light switch decided to leave the brake lights on at all times, while the trigger conection on my starter solenoid played games with me. Ben's 101 may have a temp problem, but he's not sure yet. Gillian ran great, though uphill she was a bit slower than usual, possibly because Ben was keeping the 101 at 60mph - and I was doing same not to lose sight of him, so I didn't have my normal momentum before hitting hills...I'll know for sure when I head out to Mojave Rd. next weekend.She's also noticably louder than before, probably because now the ignition timing is correct. It seems, the more fuel she gets, the louder the engine knocking. Mileage seems to be the same as before...better be, since I now have 280 miles on my new rings! Only real problem, was pulling up in front of my house, to find that I had mistakenly left my fuel tank crossfeed pump ON, nearly the entire drive home! I lost about 1/4 - 1/2 a tank due to overflowing! (I thought the rear window looked extra dirty...) I now have only 1 full tank... I'll probably also remove the rear diff, and double check the backlash: either it made noises, or a U-joint did. There seems to be a bit too much play in it, though. Charles "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 03:26:07 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06998 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 03:26:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200003130825.AAA00773@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:23:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: fwd: Re: Kalifornia Gun Laws (minimal Rover content) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org soapbox to follow: > Dianne Feinstein and her husband Richard Blum live two > blocks away from me My favorite hypocrit... I've heard she actually has a CCW... ( milk incedent ) its virtually impossible for a "nomal" citizen to get one in Ca. yet she bans guns for the peoiple who employ her ( you and me ). Let them eat cake eh... When I say "normal" citizen, I mean one who doesn't pass a dessert protection act and then at the same time trade favors/land/tax breaks to allow their husband to open a very large mineral mine miles from the land closed in the desert protection act!!! Disgusting! ( is this boxster? oh well there "almost" both eqauls in my book, its late and the web show nothing so sorry if I err ) Since this is a public forum and may or may not be recorded or saved for future reference.... The all statemnets are never to interpreted as anything other than the excersising of free speech, and must include this statement as part of the discussion. ( less the take that constitutional right away... ) PS: another statement, without viewpoint, just a statement of fact. the subject line topic ( gun ownership ) was referred to as a "privelege".. it is in fact an unailiable right, and one of the basic points of our original constitution... for instance a drivers license is a privlidge ( which I might add, an auto is a much more dangerous and carelessly used weapon, resulting in a much higher carnage rate, both in total raw numbers and possibly as a percentage of incedents per owned unit ) see below: These people are worse than any comunist threat we thought ever existed. Some day they will be sorry as a result of their wanting to "contol other people" ( whether via their beliefs, morally/socially/religiously etc ) they continaully reduce our freedoms... someday one of their beloved rights and beliefs will be letiguously legislated away, by slimy politicians with alterior motives.... its a slippery slope, that once started is hard to stop as history has proven. To single out weapons laws as an example: from: http://www.logicsouth.com/~lcoble/2ndamend/hci.txt Handgun Control Inc. Private Agenda 1/6 Well, here it is, and I wasn't allowed to have the cover page. This is an internal agenda for HCI, and was never meant to be seen by the public. (the originals are marked confidential) P.S. Fienstien is now asking for all edged weapons to be banned, unless they have a gardening or kitchen utility purpose! Not to mention a ban of over 130 named firearms. She stated this in a conference thursday or friday. ______________________________________________________________________ __ ...and remember to praise President Clinton and Attorney General Janet Reno for their political courage for standing up to the old boy network of the Gun Lobby. Special praise to Senator Diane Fienstien was mentioned for her courage in standing up to the ever diminishing number of gun crazy extremists who are actually pushing to make our society a killing field. WHAT IS PENDING NOW AND CAN BE LAW IN 1994 * Ban of all clips holding over 6 bullets. * Ban on all semiautos which can fire more than 6 bullets without reloading. * Ban of possession of parts to convert arms into military configuration. * Ban on all pump shotguns capable of being converted to more than 5 shots without reloading. * Banning of all machine guns, destructive devices, short shotguns/ rifles, assault weapons, Saturday Night Specials and Non-Sporting Ammunition. * Arsenal Licensing (for possession of multiple guns and large amounts of ammunition). * Elimination of the Department of Civil Marksmanship, long considered a sacred cow and a dinosaur from the Cold War years (Thank you Mr. Clinton!!!). * Ban on possession of a firearm within a home located within 1000 feet of a schoolyard. * Ban on all realistic replicas/toy guns or non-firearms capable of being rendered realistic. * The right of victims of gun violence to sue manufacturers and dealers to be affirmed and perhaps, aided with money from government programs. * Taxes on ammo, Dealers licenses & guns to offset the medical costs to society. and... * the eventual ban of all semi-automatics (regardless of when made or caliber). WHAT WAS ONLY A DREAM TEN YEARS AGO CAN BE REALITY AS EARLY AS THIS YEAR!!! *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1645.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 03:32:03 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA07012 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 03:32:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200003130830.AAA10715@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:28:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Test results... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > weekend.She's also noticably louder than before, probably because now the > ignition timing is correct. It seems, the more fuel she gets, the louder > the engine knocking. More fuel = more cackling/noise in a diesel TomW *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1645.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 03:56:09 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA07025 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 03:56:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200003130854.AAA20086@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:52:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: fwd: Re: Kalifornia Gun Laws (minimal Rover content) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > PS: another statement, without viewpoint, just a statement of fact. > the subject line topic ( gun ownership ) was referred to as a > "privelege".. it is in fact an unailiable right, and one of the basic > points of our original constitution... > for instance a drivers license is a privlidge ( which I might add, an auto is a much more > dangerous and carelessly used weapon, resulting in a much higher > carnage rate, both in total raw numbers and possibly as a percentage > of incedents per owned unit ) Also, this sort of stuff *will* drive me out of California.... and you can kiss my multi years in a row s*x/s*v*n figure personal state tax bill to pay for this shit goodbye ( as well as any corporate revenues I directly/indirectly generate ) ! I'm fed up!, maybe I need to start a lobby ( which as a concept I also find disgusting/discriminatory ( you need money, which isn't fair to all ) ) Sorry to rant! but its outrageous and we are being done a great dis-service, to bad I'm to damn busy ( currently ) to politically do anything about these issues. As my liscense plate used to read in another state: Live Free or Die! TomW *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1645.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 09:37:31 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07439 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:37:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200003131441.GAA17115@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws Date: Mon, 13 Mar 00 06:42:38 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org OK so far I gather a Ruger mini 14 is not considered an assult weapon. TRUE/FALSE?? Now is owning 40 cartridge clips an felony? TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 11:01:58 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07557 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:01:58 -0500 Message-ID: <16D03631929FD311BC5D009027D0CBB2175686@vegmail.ucdavis.edu> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Pictures Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 08:05:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The nice thing about that picture even though I am cross x-axled, I just kept driving. I had locked the rear locker before entering the turn becuase I saw Jeff get x-axled. -Rob -----Original Message----- From: Granville Pool [mailto:gpool@pacific.net] Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2000 9:11 PM To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Pictures Alexander, Thanks! Some great photos of the trail clearing trips. I especially like the one on the first trip of Rob's 88 x-axled. In the Los Padres photo of all assembled on a bluff, with the ocean as backdrop, I spy a D130 crewcab. I'm sure it was mentioned on the list but I've forgotten. Whose is it? Thanks again, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 11:05:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07571 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:05:27 -0500 Message-ID: <16D03631929FD311BC5D009027D0CBB2175687@vegmail.ucdavis.edu> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "Mendo_Recce (E-mail)" Subject: Wiring Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 08:09:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anyone have any good things/bad things to say about Painless wiring. I am considering their harness designed for old Landcruisers/Broncos, to rewire regent as opposed to Lucas OEM. One thing is I am looking at is upgraded electronics in the lights, battery setup, alternator(alreadydone) and switching over to all mechanical guages, and I have to replace the stock Fuse panel, because it is part of my problems. -Rob From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 11:49:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07622 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:49:25 -0500 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: <37.273c329.25fe75f3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:48:51 EST Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/12/00 2:09:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us writes: > Wouldn't the real Range Rover lifestyle be to shoot pheasants that > are driven to you by the local serf/peasants? Why yes, the Ghillies should have some help I suppose, but whether they might be serfs, peasants or just local louts I would have to ask the advice of the Gamekeeper. Keeping the knowledge of who is working for one could clutter up the mind. The end result could be catastrophic, as losing ones glass of claret for example. Zack cleaning shotguns today, the season is over last Sunday From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 12:00:59 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07664 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:00:59 -0500 From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Kodak GPS Digital Camera Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 08:58:25 -0800 Message-ID: <000401bf8d0d$59538400$3972a8c0@leslee.dot.co.mendocino.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm on a mailing list for the local (Mendocino County) GIS users group. I get announcements for the group's meetings, even though I can't attend them. The announcement for the next meeting included this: > I am going to be giving a demonstration of the Kodak Digital Field Imaging > System 265, which combines a GPS unit with a digital camera. The unit > enables you to record the latitude/longitude coordinates of your digital > photograph, and then easily bring the photo into ArcView GIS. The result > is a GIS layer of points, with a "hotlink" to the digital photo. This > could be valuable for doing a photo record of some changing feature > (erosion points, rare plants, others...) that you wanted to track over > time, and know its position. > > I'll be talking about the good points of the system (good integration with > ArcView, ease of use) and its limitations (error in the GPS data locations) [balance of message deleted] Sounds like something that would be pretty cool for photos of mendo outings, eh? I have no idea what it costs or of its other features. Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 12:16:14 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07762 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:16:14 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:11:08 -0800 Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws Message-ID: <20000313.091248.-205665.16.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-6,10-11,19-22,24-44 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A Mini 14 is not, provided it is in standard form. (no bayonet lug, no flash hider, no folding stock, no pistol grip) It will be classified an assault weapon if it has any of these features. (some Mini-14's DO have some of these features: it was common to "dress them up" after the 1989 ban, because the Mini-14 was not on the original banned weapon list) Hence the confusion over M-1 carbines. I presume you mean magazines that hold 40 rounds (as opposed to having 40 magazines which, give 'em time and they'll outlaw this too!): ANY magazine that holds MORE THAN 10 rounds, is now banned. If you own one before the law went into effect, you're okay. I re-read the new law, and apparently you CAN let a friend borrow a high capacity magazine so long as that person is qualified (permitted) to own an assault weapon, and that you are in the same vicinity as that person so that you can recover it once that person is finished using it. It also appears that "assault weapons" are now transferable between parties that are allowed to own them? (I always wanted a SPAS-12!) Maybe that explains why my friends' shop had a flat-top AR on the wall - and was showing it to somebody... Charles On Mon, 13 Mar 00 06:42:38 -0800 TeriAnn Wakeman writes: > OK so far I gather a Ruger mini 14 is not considered an assult > weapon. > TRUE/FALSE?? > > Now is owning 40 cartridge clips an felony? > > > > > TeriAnn > http://www.overlander.net > > The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners > with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 12:17:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07772 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:17:27 -0500 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: <50.2a8599a.25fe7c7b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:16:43 EST Subject: Re: Kalifornia Gun Laws (minimal Rover content) To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/12/00 10:54:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, bens@gdbg.org writes: > every hunter knows a few > people who have been hit with buckshot, very few had major > injuries. Getting hit with a little buckshot will probably > not kill anyone, Let's read birdshot here, as buckshot is about the size of the 9mm or .38 caliber loading. Birdshot is a lot smaller, and as the larger items above, the damage done while hitting is proportional to speed and mass. Zack gun and reloading cabinets well stocked tiring thread though From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 12:22:38 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07783 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:22:38 -0500 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: <1c.16eb419.25fe7db9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:22:01 EST Subject: Re: Kalifornia Gun Laws (minimal Rover content) To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/12/00 11:55:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, cirvin1258@juno.com writes: > Not only that, > but he doesn't even have a concealed carry permit! Neither did her husband the first time he got caught. I believe they both have permits now (His and hers spousal permits). It is almost impossible to get a carry permit in Sacramento. There are about 13 in the city. Willie Browns assistant, was able to get a permit in Sacramento when Willie was here. The reason cited was that he occasionally had to walk to his car in my neighborhood. I can't get one, and I live here. This is a lot more disturbing than assault rifles, and do you hear me complain? Zack From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 12:45:19 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07812 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:45:19 -0500 From: "Nick Eckert" To: Subject: Grommits' New Engine Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:40:39 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Everyone, Grommit got his new engine this weekend. Lots of power and about 20mpg. I never had it so good I want to thank Pat Young for doing an outstanding, high quality job. We pulled my old engine on Saturday and cleaned/repainted all the ancillaries and remounted them on my new engine. The new engine was dropped in Sunday afternoon and we had it running before sunset. It was a lot of work for one weekend, but since it is my daily driver it was important for me to get Grommit back on the road. I also want to thank all the other people who helped out: Tim from BP for lending a hand over the weekend Andrew in Vancouver, BC for selling me a great rebuilt engine core Gord'n Perrot for doing a great job on the internal components of the engine and always being there to answer my annoying questions It was a great feeling driving home last night after such a rewarding weekend :-) Thanks, Nick 1972 SIII 'Grommit' NOW with lots of POWER From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 12:49:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07822 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:49:27 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:53:38 -0800 Subject: Re: Pictures From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Great photos! Did Walt get a few of these for his article? -->Jeff > I have added some more pictures to my web page at > > 63.195.181.180/Alex/lr/index.html > > There are some pictures from both trail clearing trips as well as the Los > Padres National Forest recce, in addition to the Pismo pictures from the FHL > trip that were posted previously. > > Alexander From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 12:50:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07836 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:50:04 -0500 Message-ID: <38CD2A05.C6F85B0F@best.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:48:53 -0800 From: Dave Pearce X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: fwd: Re: Kalifornia Gun Laws (minimal Rover content) References: <200003130653.WAA30742@blacker.gdbg.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ben, As a hunter since the age of 10, owner of several hunting guns _and_ someone who has lost family to civilian gun activity UNSUBSCRIBE Thanks, Dave Benjamin Allan Smith wrote: > > ------- Forwarded Message > > From: "Kevin Kelly" > To: "Mendo List" > Subject: Re: Kalifornia Gun Laws (minimal Rover content) > Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 16:39:07 -0800 > > I don't want to turn this in to a "guns & rovers" list but I > appreciate updates on changes to CA gun laws (a P.S. take a > look at this link is fine). I don't want to end up in jail > because a ranger searching my Range Rover finds an illegal > 13 round clip in the Browning 9mm I got for my 12th birthday > (my Mom didn't know my Dad gave it to me). I stocked up on > "pre ban" Browning and Berretta clips a few years ago, and > it wouldn't surprise me if posesing them becomes a felony > some day. > > Living in San Francisco I rarely talk about guns since most > people in the city think the only people that own guns are > psychos that shoot up (or are planning to shoot up) High > Schools and Day Care Centers. This list (and list related > trips) are one of the few places I'll have the chance to > hear about gun law changes. > > Dianne Feinstein and her husband Richard Blum live two > blocks away from me (when they are not out of town passing > legislation to keep citizens off public land or setting up > shell companies to rip off the U.S. government). I bet I > wouldn't be able to get within 50 feet of their front door > before an armed body guard approached me. It always seems > hypocritical to me when people who are surrounded by guns > every day want to ban them. > > I agree with Rich on the "don't ask don't tell" aspect of > gun ownership. Debating gun laws (or even the second > amendment) is worse than getting in to a Bud vs. Miller, > Ford vs. Chevy, or Mac vs. PC debate. > > Rich wrote: > > >I hear that any 12 gauge pump shotgun (with 5+ > >round capacity) can hold and "deploy" more lethal > >lead in 5 seconds (using 00 or 000 shells) than > >the average full-auto Uzi with a 30 round clip (gunsmiths > >and gunfreaks out there, please correct me if this is > >incorrect). > > The key word is "lethal", a pump shotgun with 5 rounds of OO > Buck will deploy more lead projectiles than a full auto Uzi > with a 30 round clip, but it will not deploy more "lethal" > lead. I have never gone duck hunting, but I know a lot of > duck hunters, and it seems like every hunter knows a few > people who have been hit with buckshot, very few had major > injuries. Getting hit with a little buckshot will probably > not kill anyone, while a half dozen 9mm rounds from an Uzi > will do some real damage. > > When I was in college we would go out to the desert to go > shooting and everyone's favorite gun was the full auto Ruger > 10/22 rifle with the 200 round clip, it was just as fun as > the full auto Uzi, but cost a lot less. With two 50 round > clips taped together the Uzi could blow through $10 worth > (at the b*lk mail order price) of ammo in 10 seconds. The > winner of the "lethal lead" prize would have to be the Mac > 11 that could pump out an incredible amount of 45 caliber > slugs in a few seconds. > > Kevin Kelly > > ------- End of Forwarded Message From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 12:52:13 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07847 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:52:13 -0500 From: EUROMOG@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.312f848.25fe84a7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:51:35 EST Subject: Safari Gaurd To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 28 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Could someone please forward me the phone # for Safari Gaurd and their URL if they have one? Thanks, John From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 12:56:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07857 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:56:25 -0500 Message-ID: <38CD2EBA.6322F21D@ski.org> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:08:58 -0800 From: John Brabyn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Pictures References: <200003130151.RAA01172@epic11.Stanford.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Alex -- many thanks for the great pictures! It was good of you to take them in the first place and then make them available for us all. Thanks again John Alexander George Cooper wrote: > I have added some more pictures to my web page at > > 63.195.181.180/Alex/lr/index.html > > There are some pictures from both trail clearing trips as well as the Los > Padres National Forest recce, in addition to the Pismo pictures from the FHL > trip that were posted previously. > > Alexander From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 13:04:51 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07891 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:04:51 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:54:44 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: Mendo list Subject: Sighting Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Thursday afternoon, I saw a nice shiny 101FC on US 89 just norht of Prescott, AZ. How many of those things are there in the USA? From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 13:11:38 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07906 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:11:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200003131816.KAA27144@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws Date: Mon, 13 Mar 00 10:16:51 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >A Mini 14 is not, provided it is in standard form. Ah good. Thanks. It is an early version stainless steel Mini 14 that has a complete wood stock with the top and lower sections having matching grain. The only modification is the addition of a scope sight. So the only problem is that it comes with some matching stainless steel 40 round magazines, and those are evidently not illegal as long as I do not try to sell or give them away. Thanks for the info. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 13:17:14 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07926 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:17:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200003131821.KAA27488@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: Safari Gaurd Date: Mon, 13 Mar 00 10:22:27 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Could someone please forward me the phone # for Safari Gaurd and their URL >if they have one? Web site: http://www.safarigard.com This info is listed in www.overlander.net under Rover parts and accessories. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 13:49:01 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07980 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:49:01 -0500 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: <37.273c329.25fe75f3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:48:51 EST Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws (was: Re: Sightings) To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/12/00 2:09:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us writes: > Wouldn't the real Range Rover lifestyle be to shoot pheasants that > are driven to you by the local serf/peasants? Why yes, the Ghillies should have some help I suppose, but whether they might be serfs, peasants or just local louts I would have to ask the advice of the Gamekeeper. Keeping the knowledge of who is working for one could clutter up the mind. The end result could be catastrophic, as losing ones glass of claret for example. Zack cleaning shotguns today, the season is over last Sunday From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 14:03:49 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08007 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 14:03:49 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:32:56 -0800 Subject: Re: Bad neighborhoods... (minimal Rover content) Message-ID: <20000313.110131.-205665.17.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4,6-37 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Zack: somebody said that YOUR neighborhood was bad????? You're joking! (you are joking, aren't you?) Maybe it's all those abandonded-looking vehicles sitting on the street? :) Charles On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:22:01 EST Zaxcoinc@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 3/12/00 11:55:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, > cirvin1258@juno.com writes: > > > Not only that, > > but he doesn't even have a concealed carry permit! > Neither did her husband the first time he got caught. I believe they > both > have permits now (His and hers spousal permits). > > It is almost impossible to get a carry permit in Sacramento. There > are about > 13 in the city. Willie Browns assistant, was able to get a permit in > > Sacramento when Willie was here. The reason cited was that he > occasionally > had to walk to his car in my neighborhood. I can't get one, and I > live here. > This is a lot more disturbing than assault rifles, and do you hear > me > complain? > > Zack "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 14:06:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08023 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 14:06:08 -0500 Message-ID: <38CD3C41.92F2B210@best.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:06:41 -0800 From: Dave Pearce X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org unsubscribe From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 14:07:15 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08034 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 14:07:15 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org, dpearce@best.com Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:01:29 -0800 Subject: Re: fwd: Re: Kalifornia Gun Laws (minimal Rover content) Message-ID: <20000313.110131.-205665.18.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,10-11,17-18,23-24,33-34,37-38,41-131 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave, This thread was started NOT with the purpose of debating gun ownership, but with the purpose of explaining the state law pertaining to ownership/transportation into/within the state. There are people out there, that simply haven't a clue as to what the laws are, nor where to find out - thus, they ask their friends (posting to this list) with the hope of getting a straight, honest, and unbiased answer. Sure it's a touchy subject for some, but it's something that should not be swept under the carpet, either.(as a friend in the Air Force used to say: "it's like V.D. - it ain't going away simply by ignoring it") I feel for you for your loss, but - at risk of sounding not too feeling - you're not the first, you're not the only one, and you won't be the last (I myself can be counted here). BUT - that does not mean that those who own a gun - that haven't looked at it in years (as several on this list can probably attest to), don't have a right to know if they are now breaking the law without having done a thing. Suppose the state decided one year that they will ban certain model Land Rovers: wouldn't you like to know what can be done, if anything, in order to keep it, or would you rather have your friends not say a word to you until you get arrested for having one? Would you agree that you are a bad person for having one - and turn it in? I seriously doubt so. There are MANY people out there that have a gun, that haven't used it in years (my dad has gone shooting once in the last 37 years!). They forget that they have them (well, they overlook that they have them, let alone what kind they own), they hear about a law, they hear it's directed towards one thing only - and make the mistake of thinking that what the law says doesn't apply to what they own, and so they don't know where to look for answers, or they don't feel that they even need to know - THOSE are the people that will be in real trouble, and not the bad guys, and that is wrong. Reading this law, it said that "the state shall inform the public": gee, I didn't know that i had to register ANYTHING until Kelly said so - and it's 12 March now? Does that make ME a bad guy too? I too agree that the thread is getting a bit long - as they ALL do , and they all go away, but there's no need to stomp your feet and walk away: would be nice if you kept hanging around. Charles - not a hunter, just a collector On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:48:53 -0800 Dave Pearce writes: > Ben, > As a hunter since the age of 10, owner of several hunting guns _and_ > someone who has lost family to civilian gun activity > > UNSUBSCRIBE > > Thanks, > Dave > > Benjamin Allan Smith wrote: > > > > ------- Forwarded Message > > > > From: "Kevin Kelly" > > To: "Mendo List" > > Subject: Re: Kalifornia Gun Laws (minimal Rover content) > > Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 16:39:07 -0800 > > > > I don't want to turn this in to a "guns & rovers" list but I > > appreciate updates on changes to CA gun laws (a P.S. take a > > look at this link is fine). I don't want to end up in jail > > because a ranger searching my Range Rover finds an illegal > > 13 round clip in the Browning 9mm I got for my 12th birthday > > (my Mom didn't know my Dad gave it to me). I stocked up on > > "pre ban" Browning and Berretta clips a few years ago, and > > it wouldn't surprise me if posesing them becomes a felony > > some day. > > > > Living in San Francisco I rarely talk about guns since most > > people in the city think the only people that own guns are > > psychos that shoot up (or are planning to shoot up) High > > Schools and Day Care Centers. This list (and list related > > trips) are one of the few places I'll have the chance to > > hear about gun law changes. > > > > Dianne Feinstein and her husband Richard Blum live two > > blocks away from me (when they are not out of town passing > > legislation to keep citizens off public land or setting up > > shell companies to rip off the U.S. government). I bet I > > wouldn't be able to get within 50 feet of their front door > > before an armed body guard approached me. It always seems > > hypocritical to me when people who are surrounded by guns > > every day want to ban them. > > > > I agree with Rich on the "don't ask don't tell" aspect of > > gun ownership. Debating gun laws (or even the second > > amendment) is worse than getting in to a Bud vs. Miller, > > Ford vs. Chevy, or Mac vs. PC debate. > > > > Rich wrote: > > > > >I hear that any 12 gauge pump shotgun (with 5+ > > >round capacity) can hold and "deploy" more lethal > > >lead in 5 seconds (using 00 or 000 shells) than > > >the average full-auto Uzi with a 30 round clip (gunsmiths > > >and gunfreaks out there, please correct me if this is > > >incorrect). > > > > The key word is "lethal", a pump shotgun with 5 rounds of OO > > Buck will deploy more lead projectiles than a full auto Uzi > > with a 30 round clip, but it will not deploy more "lethal" > > lead. I have never gone duck hunting, but I know a lot of > > duck hunters, and it seems like every hunter knows a few > > people who have been hit with buckshot, very few had major > > injuries. Getting hit with a little buckshot will probably > > not kill anyone, while a half dozen 9mm rounds from an Uzi > > will do some real damage. > > > > When I was in college we would go out to the desert to go > > shooting and everyone's favorite gun was the full auto Ruger > > 10/22 rifle with the 200 round clip, it was just as fun as > > the full auto Uzi, but cost a lot less. With two 50 round > > clips taped together the Uzi could blow through $10 worth > > (at the b*lk mail order price) of ammo in 10 seconds. The > > winner of the "lethal lead" prize would have to be the Mac > > 11 that could pump out an incredible amount of 45 caliber > > slugs in a few seconds. > > > > Kevin Kelly > > > > ------- End of Forwarded Message "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 14:08:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08048 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 14:08:25 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:04:17 -0800 Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws Message-ID: <20000313.110738.-205665.19.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4,6-34 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Correct: if you had the magazines before 01Jan2000, you get to keep them. Not a problem. Charles On Mon, 13 Mar 00 10:16:51 -0800 TeriAnn Wakeman writes: > >A Mini 14 is not, provided it is in standard form. > > Ah good. Thanks. It is an early version stainless steel Mini 14 > that has > a complete wood stock with the top and lower sections having > matching > grain. The only modification is the addition of a scope sight. > > So the only problem is that it comes with some matching stainless > steel > 40 round magazines, and those are evidently not illegal as long as I > do > not try to sell or give them away. > > Thanks for the info. > > > TeriAnn > http://www.overlander.net > > The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners > with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 14:09:15 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08061 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 14:09:15 -0500 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:07:37 -0800 Subject: Re: Kodak GPS Digital Camera Message-ID: <20000313.110739.-205665.20.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-9,11-53 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Granny: one really cool option, is the ability to transmit coordinates of the picture to another location via satellite...but I think only military models have that option - and have for some time... YMMV... Charles On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 08:58:25 -0800 "Granville Pool" writes: > I'm on a mailing list for the local (Mendocino County) GIS users > group. I > get announcements for the group's meetings, even though I can't > attend them. > The announcement for the next meeting included this: > > > I am going to be giving a demonstration of the Kodak Digital Field > Imaging > > System 265, which combines a GPS unit with a digital camera. The > unit > > enables you to record the latitude/longitude coordinates of your > digital > > photograph, and then easily bring the photo into ArcView GIS. The > result > > is a GIS layer of points, with a "hotlink" to the digital photo. > This > > could be valuable for doing a photo record of some changing > feature > > (erosion points, rare plants, others...) that you wanted to track > over > > time, and know its position. > > > > I'll be talking about the good points of the system (good > integration with > > ArcView, ease of use) and its limitations (error in the GPS data > locations) > [balance of message deleted] > > Sounds like something that would be pretty cool for photos of mendo > outings, > eh? I have no idea what it costs or of its other features. > > Cheers, > > > Granny > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children, are above average." ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 14:50:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08182 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 14:50:25 -0500 Message-ID: <38CD4557.6B0D60BE@best.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:45:27 -0800 From: Dave Pearce X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: fwd: Re: Kalifornia Gun Laws (minimal Rover content) References: <20000313.110131.-205665.18.cirvin1258@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Charles, I understand all of your points, which was all I was trying to convey with my little list of gun "experience." And to that point I pretty much agree. Sitting at Doctor Bombay's in San Francisco's mission district on Saturday night making plans to go to Chabot for some shooting with my wife and friends, not only horrified some at the table, but probably was a near first for the joint (I didn't pick it). And as production manager for a now defunct online political mag (The Netizen/Hotired, covered the Clinton/Dole race) I am generally of the mindset that people can own and do what they like so long as it doesn't endanger the lives or health of their neighbors. But having spent way to much money on repairing my '87 Range Rover that was hit and run, spending way to many hours tracking down the right model door and rock sliders that attach to the rocker panels _and_ frame, what I am most interested in is the next mendo trail clearing trip. But seeing as I have just unsubscribed I will have to depend on the NCRC newsletter. If anyone wants/needs an able body for those events please feel free to contact me at: dpearce@best.com davep@cnet.com Thanks, Dave Charles R Irvin wrote: > > Dave, > > This thread was started NOT with the purpose of debating gun ownership, > but with the purpose of explaining the state law pertaining to > ownership/transportation into/within the state. There are people out > there, that simply haven't a clue as to what the laws are, nor where to > find out - thus, they ask their friends (posting to this list) with the > hope of getting a straight, honest, and unbiased answer. Sure it's a > touchy subject for some, but it's something that should not be swept > under the carpet, either.(as a friend in the Air Force used to say: "it's > like V.D. - it ain't going away simply by ignoring it") > > I feel for you for your loss, but - at risk of sounding not too feeling - > you're not the first, you're not the only one, and you won't be the last > (I myself can be counted here). BUT - that does not mean that those who > own a gun - that haven't looked at it in years (as several on this list > can probably attest to), don't have a right to know if they are now > breaking the law without having done a thing. > > Suppose the state decided one year that they will ban certain model Land > Rovers: wouldn't you like to know what can be done, if anything, in order > to keep it, or would you rather have your friends not say a word to you > until you get arrested for having one? Would you agree that you are a bad > person for having one - and turn it in? I seriously doubt so. > > There are MANY people out there that have a gun, that haven't used it in > years (my dad has gone shooting once in the last 37 years!). They forget > that they have them (well, they overlook that they have them, let alone > what kind they own), they hear about a law, they hear it's directed > towards one thing only - and make the mistake of thinking that what the > law says doesn't apply to what they own, and so they don't know where to > look for answers, or they don't feel that they even need to know - THOSE > are the people that will be in real trouble, and not the bad guys, and > that is wrong. > > Reading this law, it said that "the state shall inform the public": gee, > I didn't know that i had to register ANYTHING until Kelly said so - and > it's 12 March now? Does that make ME a bad guy too? > > I too agree that the thread is getting a bit long - as they ALL do , and > they all go away, but there's no need to stomp your feet and walk away: > would be nice if you kept hanging around. > > Charles - not a hunter, just a collector > > On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:48:53 -0800 Dave Pearce writes: > > Ben, > > As a hunter since the age of 10, owner of several hunting guns _and_ > > someone who has lost family to civilian gun activity > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE > > > > Thanks, > > Dave > > > > Benjamin Allan Smith wrote: > > > > > > ------- Forwarded Message > > > > > > From: "Kevin Kelly" > > > To: "Mendo List" > > > Subject: Re: Kalifornia Gun Laws (minimal Rover content) > > > Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 16:39:07 -0800 > > > > > > I don't want to turn this in to a "guns & rovers" list but I > > > appreciate updates on changes to CA gun laws (a P.S. take a > > > look at this link is fine). I don't want to end up in jail > > > because a ranger searching my Range Rover finds an illegal > > > 13 round clip in the Browning 9mm I got for my 12th birthday > > > (my Mom didn't know my Dad gave it to me). I stocked up on > > > "pre ban" Browning and Berretta clips a few years ago, and > > > it wouldn't surprise me if posesing them becomes a felony > > > some day. > > > > > > Living in San Francisco I rarely talk about guns since most > > > people in the city think the only people that own guns are > > > psychos that shoot up (or are planning to shoot up) High > > > Schools and Day Care Centers. This list (and list related > > > trips) are one of the few places I'll have the chance to > > > hear about gun law changes. > > > > > > Dianne Feinstein and her husband Richard Blum live two > > > blocks away from me (when they are not out of town passing > > > legislation to keep citizens off public land or setting up > > > shell companies to rip off the U.S. government). I bet I > > > wouldn't be able to get within 50 feet of their front door > > > before an armed body guard approached me. It always seems > > > hypocritical to me when people who are surrounded by guns > > > every day want to ban them. > > > > > > I agree with Rich on the "don't ask don't tell" aspect of > > > gun ownership. Debating gun laws (or even the second > > > amendment) is worse than getting in to a Bud vs. Miller, > > > Ford vs. Chevy, or Mac vs. PC debate. > > > > > > Rich wrote: > > > > > > >I hear that any 12 gauge pump shotgun (with 5+ > > > >round capacity) can hold and "deploy" more lethal > > > >lead in 5 seconds (using 00 or 000 shells) than > > > >the average full-auto Uzi with a 30 round clip (gunsmiths > > > >and gunfreaks out there, please correct me if this is > > > >incorrect). > > > > > > The key word is "lethal", a pump shotgun with 5 rounds of OO > > > Buck will deploy more lead projectiles than a full auto Uzi > > > with a 30 round clip, but it will not deploy more "lethal" > > > lead. I have never gone duck hunting, but I know a lot of > > > duck hunters, and it seems like every hunter knows a few > > > people who have been hit with buckshot, very few had major > > > injuries. Getting hit with a little buckshot will probably > > > not kill anyone, while a half dozen 9mm rounds from an Uzi > > > will do some real damage. > > > > > > When I was in college we would go out to the desert to go > > > shooting and everyone's favorite gun was the full auto Ruger > > > 10/22 rifle with the 200 round clip, it was just as fun as > > > the full auto Uzi, but cost a lot less. With two 50 round > > > clips taped together the Uzi could blow through $10 worth > > > (at the b*lk mail order price) of ammo in 10 seconds. The > > > winner of the "lethal lead" prize would have to be the Mac > > > 11 that could pump out an incredible amount of 45 caliber > > > slugs in a few seconds. > > > > > > Kevin Kelly > > > > > > ------- End of Forwarded Message > > "...That''s the news from Lake Wobegone, > where all the women are strong, > all the men are good-looking, > and all the children, are above average." > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 14:53:45 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08199 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 14:53:45 -0500 From: RVRBRUCE@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 14:53:07 EST Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #72 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/13/00 9:58:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, owner-mendo_recce-digest@fourfold.org writes: << OK so far I gather a Ruger mini 14 is not considered an assult weapon. TRUE/FALSE?? >> Mini 14's are not classified under the assault bill because of a deal Bill Ruger made to only supply 10 round magazines before the law was passed. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 14:58:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08213 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 14:58:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200003131953.LAA11376@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:51:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: fwd: Re: Kalifornia Gun Laws (minimal Rover content) CC: Dave Pearce X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Ben, > As a hunter since the age of 10, owner of several hunting guns _and_ > someone who has lost family to civilian gun activity Thats a terrible loss, But aparently you still own Guns from the sound of it? And if you actually do some research... you'll see many of the people who want to limit assault rifles/handguns want to ultimately take your hunting rifles if they can also. Thats the problem, where does it stop? A nut case can do alot of damage with a hign powered accurate bolt action rifle, or shotgun. On the same token, I've had family members killed in ( senseless ) automobile accidents that involved alchohol.... ( accidents cause far more trauma and death, with and without alchohol ) I don't suggest we ban cars ( and *no-one* considers this viable as far as I can tell ( although boose is controlled, but autos are a requirment in todays socio-economic environment so we can't mess with that "tax base" ) ) . Its the users, not the product that are weak link unfortunately.. But we all have a right to know the current status of the laws, as they have changed. Sorry if your offended TomW > > UNSUBSCRIBE > > Thanks, > Dave *---------*---------* "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1645.. LandRovers "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 15:17:11 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08258 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 15:17:11 -0500 Message-ID: <38CD4C85.15EF0A9F@best.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:16:05 -0800 From: Dave Pearce X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: fwd: Re: Kalifornia Gun Laws (minimal Rover content) References: <200003131953.LAA11376@proxy4.ba.best.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org agreed, thanks Dave Tom Walsh wrote: > > > Ben, > > As a hunter since the age of 10, owner of several hunting guns _and_ > > someone who has lost family to civilian gun activity > > Thats a terrible loss, > But aparently you still own Guns from the sound of it? > And if you actually do some research... you'll see many > of the people who want to limit assault rifles/handguns want to ultimately > take your hunting rifles if they can also. Thats the problem, where > does it stop? A nut case can do alot of damage with a hign powered > accurate bolt action rifle, or shotgun. > > On the same token, I've had family members killed in ( senseless ) automobile > accidents that involved alchohol.... ( accidents cause far more > trauma and death, with and without alchohol ) > I don't suggest we ban cars ( and *no-one* considers this viable as > far as I can tell ( although boose is controlled, but autos are a > requirment in todays socio-economic environment so we can't mess with > that "tax base" ) ) . > Its the users, not the product that are weak link unfortunately.. But we all have a right to know the > current status of the laws, as they have changed. > > Sorry if your offended > > TomW > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE > > > > Thanks, > > Dave > *---------*---------* > "Tonka" Truck, Lil Buggar, Lt Brigade, Posh, AA yellow #1645.. LandRovers > "I love the smell of Null pointers in the morning" > tomw@best.com, twalsh@redback.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 15:30:46 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08283 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 15:30:46 -0500 Message-ID: <16D03631929FD311BC5D009027D0CBB2175689@vegmail.ucdavis.edu> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "Mendo_Recce (E-mail)" Subject: Ebay forward control Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:34:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org That Forward control is up to $16000 and it still hasn't hit the reserve... -Rob From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 15:52:18 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08314 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 15:52:18 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:52:10 -0800 (PST) From: Alexander George Cooper Message-Id: <200003132052.MAA19884@saga17.Stanford.EDU> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Pictures Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Alex -- many thanks for the great pictures! It was good of you to take them in >the first place and then make them available for us all. > >Thanks again > >John It was my pleasure. Alexander From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 15:54:33 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08324 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 15:54:33 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:54:26 -0800 (PST) From: Alexander George Cooper Message-Id: <200003132054.MAA19918@saga17.Stanford.EDU> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Pictures Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Great photos! Did Walt get a few of these for his article? -->Jeff Yes I sent a set of pictures to Walt but he apparently has disappeared without trace so I believe John Hong took over writing the article. Alexander From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 16:32:56 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08352 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:32:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200003132132.NAA31598@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: fwd: Re: Kalifornia Gun Laws (minimal Rover content) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:52:10 PST." <200003130854.AAA20086@proxy2.ba.best.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:32:53 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200003130854.AAA20086@proxy2.ba.best.com>you wrote: > As my liscense plate used to read in another state: > Live Free or Die! It's the NH state motto. And the quote of either my great-great-great- great-great grandfather John Carter Stark or his brother (I can't recally which off hand). Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 16:51:02 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08400 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:51:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200003132151.NAA31820@blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org cc: bens@blacker.gdbg.org Subject: Re: Sighting In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:54:44 MST." Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:51:00 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message you wr ote: > On Thursday afternoon, I saw a nice shiny 101FC on US 89 just norht of > Prescott, AZ. There was one in LRO a few years ago from AZ. > How many of those things are there in the USA? I used to guess between 25 and 50 in the US and Canada. I know know of 12 in California alone. Probably in the 50 to 75 range and growing. Ben From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 17:11:49 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08455 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 17:11:49 -0500 Message-ID: <000301bf8d39$37c876c0$7500000a@kklaptop> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: D130?/Blair? Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:52:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Granny wrote: >I spy a D130 crewcab. I'm sure it was mentioned on the list >but I've forgotten. Whose is it? I have never seen a post on this either. This is the first D130 I have ever heard of in the U.S. I think I might have seen Blair this morning heading up the Waldo grade. I forget if his 109 has small side windows. Kevin Kelly From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 17:56:59 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08500 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 17:56:59 -0500 Message-ID: <38CD729D.F3E2B044@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 14:58:37 -0800 From: "Franklin H. Yap" X-Sender: "Franklin H. Yap" <@mail.earthlink.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-FLASHNET (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: D130?/Blair? References: <000301bf8d39$37c876c0$7500000a@kklaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kevin Kelly wrote: > >I spy a D130 crewcab. I'm sure it was mentioned on the > list > >but I've forgotten. Whose is it? > > I have never seen a post on this either. This is the first > D130 I have ever heard of in the U.S. Isn't it Daniel's (from South Africa or the UK)? Frank From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 17:58:05 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08511 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 17:58:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200003132302.PAA14486@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: D130?/Blair? Date: Mon, 13 Mar 00 15:03:18 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I spy a D130 crewcab. I'm sure it was mentioned on the >list >but I've forgotten. Whose is it? Light green, roof racks and tyre on bonnet?? TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 18:00:41 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08524 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 18:00:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200003132305.PAA14656@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws Date: Mon, 13 Mar 00 15:05:54 -0800 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Correct: if you had the magazines before 01Jan2000, you get to keep them. >Not a problem. I've had them since before 01Jan1980 so it looks like I'm legal. Whew TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 19:34:46 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08636 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:34:46 -0500 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: <78.2957ef5.25fee302@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:34:10 EST Subject: Re: Kalifornia gun laws To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 3/13/00 3:02:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, twakeman@cruzers.com writes: > I've had them since before 01Jan1980 so it looks like I'm legal. Whew > SO other than this, an unsupported allegation, conveniently after the deadline, what evidence might you have of this utterance? Will this be sufficient to dissuade the jackbooted thug who has you in handcuffs prone on the side of the Mendo M5 forest road late some August afternoon? Personally, I have rid myself of these tools of Satan, and only retained the blessed five round magazines for my Mini14 Ranch Rifle, (note the politically correct name of the implement, rather than Mini14 Assault special). Soon the documentation will outweigh the implement, and it will be easier to get a building permit in the wilderness than to shoot legally. It will also still be easier (and more natural) to get welfare than to breathe. Zack From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 21:22:52 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08805 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:22:52 -0500 Message-ID: <00f001bf8d5a$3d6ba0e0$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: <20000313.110739.-205665.20.cirvin1258@juno.com> Subject: Re: Kodak GPS Digital Camera Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:08:47 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Along the same lines, Casio has a new watch that has a GPS built in. Combine this with the dick tracy phone watch and that head set computer from the tv comercials and you can have a pretty sweet set up Pete From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Mar 13 21:26:10 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08827 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:26:10 -0500 Message-ID: <010e01bf8d5a$b0c903c0$214c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: <200003132132.NAA31598@blacker.gdbg.org> Subject: Motos Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:12:00 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > As my liscense plate used to read in another state: > > Live Free or Die! > > It's the NH state motto. And the quote of e