From: mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us Subject: Digest for Mendo_Recce: 5/22/1995 Errors-To: owner-mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us Reply-To: mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us Precedence: bulk This is the digest for the mendo_recce Land Rover mailling list ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Subject: Re: Cry of the Kalahari! Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 23:43:08 -0700 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Jory wrote: > WWB/RJR sponsorship really > limits my own enthusiasm for he Camel Trophy. C'est la vie. I guess I haven't been all that clear on the the issue of who owns the Camel Trophy. It is not that Camel Trophy goes out and gets WWB/RJR to sponsor them each year. The facts are that WWB/RJR decides, "We are going to have a Camel Trophy this year and the following people are going to run it." If WWB/RJR ever decides to kill the Camel Trophy, then its over. Unless they sign the legal rights over to someone else. Whether you like/support the Camel trophy because of who is operating it is up to you. I think that every large corporation that you find out in the world will have its distasteful/foul parts. General Electic "We bring good things to life" makes/made nice household electrical appliances, jet engines, and miniguns (6 barrel gatling guns that shoot 100+ rounds a second and are really good at killing mass quantities of people). Matel makes toys, and during Vietnam made M-16s. It's life and the big companies. The whole thing about Camel Trophy participants signing that they will not talk with the media about potential health risks connected with smoking is just legal damage control. It is a mark of our overly litigious society. If the lawyers are able to legally hold RJR and their ilk liable, it will bankrupt the industry, so they implent damage control whenever possible. Many companies do this. I have to be careful about what I say about SAIC (who just made someone make a very public net apology and retraction about a misinformed comment on the intrustion-detection maillinglist) and the Navy in a public forum. Ben ------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 95 09:04:33 -0700 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Subject: Re: Trakkers order In message <199505172137.OAA16175@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us> writes: > Eric has info... > > I'm ready anytime to place an order with Trakkers for two "High-back front > > seats", fabric color - Moorland. I faxed them recently and received back a > > price list. These seats ( minus VAT ) are 68 pounds (approx $108.) each. > > Do you know if these will fit three across the front? Or do you have to get > a > cubby box? I believe they do have a center seat. I just end up stashing stuff there so think it would do better as a cubby box in my application. TeriAnn Wakeman .sig closed for remodeling twakeman@apple.com ------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 95 09:30:44 -0700 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Subject: Ball joint rebuild Broken down again..but this time the Green Rover made it home. The green rover made her first trip since the post Portland engine/transmission rebuild only to limp home with a front end problem. I tried to take her out for a short hop after returning from the suds run only to notice that the front left wheel we seriously dragging its brake shoes. I put her up on jackstands & started looking into the problem. I found a leaky front brake cylinder, grease on the shoes from the wheel bearings, and lots of wobble at the ball joint pins. I knew I was going to have to go through the front end but I was afraid of the pins, never having even seen anyone do them before and seeing how undescriptive the factory manual was on this section. Well I know have the the front left ball joint mostly appart. The bottom bearing is very worn, the railco bush is oval and was partially powered. The top pin is shinny on one side and corroded on the other 270 degrees. I have two kinds of front wheel cylinders, one gurling the other an aftermarket and they both have different innerds. I also noticed cracks in the front rubber brake hose. SO there are all the jobs I was planing to do sometime this summer looking me in the eye saying NOW! So its time for questions: 1. How do you get the #@!*!! railco bush out of the swivel? 2. Whats the best way to get the lower bearing seat out of the lower swivel? 3. Is there any good way to set up the shims without removing the tie rod ends? Mine are in very good condition and I would hate to bang them up with a pickle fork. Does anyone with experience rebuilding swivel pins have any advice to share? This is a job I have been putting off because i haven't a clue how to do it properly even though it is a few years overdue. Oh well another oppertunity to put my Land Rover in better operating condition sigh TeriAnn Wakeman .sig closed for remodeling twakeman@apple.com ------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 95 09:38:56 -0700 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Subject: Stuff to get rid of I've got too much stuff in too small a house so some of its looking for a new home. Approx. 20 foot length of 3/8 chain with a hook at each end. Some of you may have seen it hanging from my front bumper. two metal boxes that fit the bottom of Jerry cans, not US jeep cans. These were on the back of my Land Rover and have been replaced by bumperettes. It put one jerry can on each side of the tail gate. You could use them to mount twi jerry cans whereever. Rear sideways facing bench seat, balk seat covers. This is the two person seat. Will fit 88s and 109s. All the above available for free at my place, for a slight fee if I need to transport them someplace, or for more $ if I end up taking them to a swap meet. TeriAnn Wakeman .sig closed for remodeling twakeman@apple.com ------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 09:58:41 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Re: Armstrong Tires > Granville B. Pool writes: > >>The "Left-Coast Rover-Net" (as I like to call it) > > Here, here! > >>I read with interest your message about the set of Armstrong Norsemans. >>I really like these tires for many reasons and think they are >>about as good as anything for summer wear. Unfortunately, they are no >>longer available new. > > I'm not certain if you are saying Armstrong is no longer available, or > your particular size. A year ago I was told by tire dealers that Armstrong > was out of business. Then recently, I saw a local garage install a set of > Armstrongs on a Trooper. The mechanic said he can order them from a > warehouse for afternoon or next day delivery --no problem! He quoted me > $81.-83. each, plus $7.50 installation, for the L78-15 equivalent now metric > sized LT235/75 R15 (tread: 2 ply polyester and 2 steel, sidewall: 2 ply > polyester). O.K., Michael, I guess I should have been more precise in my statement about availability. I was tired and trying to be brief. Armstrong is still making tires although I seem to recall that some other company bought it out (Pirelli, I think). What I was saying is that the Norseman Treadlock Radials like I have are not available in any size from Armstrong. They are aramid belted, not steel. The Norseman A/S such as Morgan is running is also out of production, I'm pretty sure. The tread pattern of the Norseman Treadlock, such as I have, is still available, from Dick Cepeck, as the "Fun Country" radial. Used to be made for Cepeck by Armstrong; don't know who is making it now. But the Cepeck FC is made only in wide, low-profile sizes, the opposite of what I would want. > > With 31x10.5x15s, do you have any handling, steering, or clearance problems? No, they clear fine (as far as I can remember, it's been a while since I had them mounted) and work great (in non-winter conditions). In fact, when I first put those on, I immediately experienced a major improvement in handling and such an improvement in ride that I thought I was driving a Range Rover (well, so to speak). Remember, though, that I have them mounted on 8" rims. I have tried mounting 10" tires on the 6" rims and had insurmountable (heh, heh) problems getting the beads to seat. However, I noticed that Jori has 10.50s on the stock 6" rims and his seem to be working fine. Of course, my previous tires, over which these 10.50 radials were such an improvement, were 11-15 Maxi-Trac nylon bias-ply tires. Granville ------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 09:52:29 +0100 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: Cry of the Kalahari! Benjamin Allan Smith writes: >Jory wrote: > >> WWB/RJR sponsorship really >> limits my own enthusiasm for the Camel Trophy. C'est la vie. > > I guess I haven't been all that clear on the the issue of who owns >the Camel Trophy. It is not that Camel Trophy goes out and gets WWB/RJR >to sponsor them each year. The facts are that WWB/RJR decides, "We are going >to have a Camel Trophy this year and the following people are going to run it." >If WWB/RJR ever decides to kill the Camel Trophy, then its over. Unless they >sign the legal rights over to someone else. Excatly right! There is only one reason WWB/RJR is sponsoring the Camel Trophy, and that is for publicity for it's cigarettes. WWB/RJR has many other brands they could use as advertising sponsors. You yourself pointed out that the "Camel" lettering was indentical to the cigarette. By US law, they are prohibited from advertising in magazines and other national media, so they do the next best thing... and not just because they just 'love' yellow Rovers. Let them kill the Camel Trophy, no one want's or needs the rights. Anyone can sponsor a similar event and call it something more digestible. > Whether you like/support the Camel trophy because of who is operating >it is up to you. I think that every large corporation that you find out in >the world will have its distasteful/foul parts. General Electic "We bring >good things to life" makes/made nice household electrical appliances, >jet engines, and miniguns (6 barrel gatling guns that shoot 100+ rounds a >second and are really good at killing mass quantities of people). Matel >makes toys, and during Vietnam made M-16s. It's life and the big companies. Well, we can only clean up our own little corner of the world, one piece of trash at the time. That's life on the consumer level. Light up!... err, I mean... Lighten up! No, no, I mean... Lightly! Michael Carradine Carradine Studios Tel.500-442-6500 Architect Architecture Development Planning Pgr.510-945-5000 NCARB RIBA PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA cs@crl.com Unimog 4x4 WWW page at http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html ------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 95 09:58:30 -0700 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Subject: Re: Drum Brakes > > A question about brakes, > > > > My vehicle doesn't exactly stop on a dime. In fact, it > > doesn't even stop within a city block of a dime. The brake > > shoes have plenty of meat on 'em so, my question; Is there > > any way to adjust, tune, or otherwise modify the brakes on a > > LR to make them stop quicker. How about a disk > > conversion for the front? The truck in question is a '66 > > SIIA. > > > > Regards, > > > > Nick C. Baggarly > > '66SIIA 88 > > Los Gatos, Cale You can try putting on 109 front brakes, a 109 power brake master cylinder and a power brake booster. The 109 front brakes are larger than the 88's front brakes and has two wheel cylinders. You need to go to a 109 master cylinder because of the increased volume requires by the duel wheel cylinders. Power brakes were standard on late seires IIa (after they stopped importing the 109 to the US) and series III. Thats probably your best option short of replacing your entire front end. TeriAnn Wakeman .sig closed for remodeling twakeman@apple.com ------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 95 10:10:26 PDT From: labranch@sybase.com (Jason LaBranch) Subject: Re: WTB: 88" with no engine? > > > It would be a sin to own a Rover for 'round town. Sorry Roger I will > > not have it. :-> > > So, would you rather I bought, say, a Ford Taurus SHO? If I could afford a > Range Rover (or better yet, a Disco) that would make an ideal commute car. > But, I can't, so an electric rover seems pretty cool. I suppose, if there > were power outlets at a campground, I could go off-highway with it... > Well, that is why you get a hybrid. For around town you could just plug it in. For extended trips the generator turns on. Actually, for longer trips you could get a portable generator and run that at night. Still, your range is short. Jason ------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 10:16:09 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Disk or Drum Brakes > >> > A question about brakes, >> > >> > My vehicle doesn't exactly stop on a dime. In fact, it >> > doesn't even stop within a city block of a dime. The brake >> > shoes have plenty of meat on 'em so, my question; Is there >> > any way to adjust, tune, or otherwise modify the brakes on a >> > LR to make them stop quicker. How about a disk >> > conversion for the front? The truck in question is a '66 >> > SIIA. >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > Nick C. Baggarly >> > '66SIIA 88 >> > Los Gatos, Cale TeriAnn suggests: >You can try putting on 109 front brakes, a 109 power brake master cylinder and a >power brake booster. > >The 109 front brakes are larger than the 88's front brakes and has two wheel >cylinders. You need to go to a 109 master cylinder because of the increased >volume requires by the duel wheel cylinders. Power brakes were standard on late >seires IIa (after they stopped importing the 109 to the US) and series III. > >Thats probably your best option short of replacing your entire front end. Someone had earlier told Nick that the only way to convert to front disks would be to convert to a coil chassis but I'm not so sure that's correct. Didn't the 109 Stage I V-8 have front disk brakes? It definitely had leaf springs. If it had disks, these should be usable on older leaf-sprung Land-Rovers, shouldn't they? Granville ------------------------------------ From: "John R. Benham" Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 10:22:14 +1100 Subject: Re: Cry of the Kalahari! > Return-path: > 22 May 95 09:56:32 GMT+11 > Resent-From: daemon@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us > Posted-Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 09:57:39 -0700 > Resent-Message-Id: <199505221657.JAA06259@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us> > Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 09:52:29 +0100 > From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) > Resent-Date: Mon May 22 09:57:38 PDT 1995 > Subject: Re: Cry of the Kalahari! > X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 > > Benjamin Allan Smith writes: > > >Jory wrote: > > > >> WWB/RJR sponsorship really > >> limits my own enthusiasm for the Camel Trophy. C'est la vie. > > > > I guess I haven't been all that clear on the the issue of who owns > >the Camel Trophy. It is not that Camel Trophy goes out and gets WWB/RJR > >to sponsor them each year. The facts are that WWB/RJR decides, "We are going > >to have a Camel Trophy this year and the following people are going to run it." > >If WWB/RJR ever decides to kill the Camel Trophy, then its over. Unless they > >sign the legal rights over to someone else. > > Excatly right! There is only one reason WWB/RJR is sponsoring the Camel > Trophy, and that is for publicity for it's cigarettes. WWB/RJR has many > other brands they could use as advertising sponsors. You yourself pointed > out that the "Camel" lettering was indentical to the cigarette. By US law, > they are prohibited from advertising in magazines and other national media, > so they do the next best thing... and not just because they just 'love' > yellow Rovers. > > Let them kill the Camel Trophy, no one want's or needs the rights. Anyone > can sponsor a similar event and call it something more digestible. > > > Whether you like/support the Camel trophy because of who is operating > >it is up to you. I think that every large corporation that you find out in > >the world will have its distasteful/foul parts. General Electic "We bring > >good things to life" makes/made nice household electrical appliances, > >jet engines, and miniguns (6 barrel gatling guns that shoot 100+ rounds a > >second and are really good at killing mass quantities of people). Matel > >makes toys, and during Vietnam made M-16s. It's life and the big companies. > > Well, we can only clean up our own little corner of the world, one piece of > trash at the time. That's life on the consumer level. > > Light up!... err, I mean... Lighten up! > No, no, I mean... Lightly! > > Michael Carradine Carradine Studios Tel.500-442-6500 > Architect Architecture Development Planning Pgr.510-945-5000 > NCARB RIBA PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA cs@crl.com > > Unimog 4x4 WWW page at http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html > Correction: Colt makes the M-16 assault rifle, Matel Corp. makes the polymer stock parts for the M-16 for Colt. John Benham Spokane > ------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 10:32:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Morgan Hannaford Subject: Re: Cry of the Kalahari! I recall reading an article in Road & Track, or some other automobile magazine about the Camel Trophy in Chile. The article was mostly about advertising in autosports. The journalist (who went with the Chile event) used the Camel Trophy and Camel GT race as examples of indirect advertising. He talked about how RJR was targeting third world countries with the Camel Trophy as Marlboro targeted North America with the cowboy image. Camel Trophy garb is very popular and readily available in South America and Europe. The journalist discussed why it hasn't taken hold in North America, concluding that profitability was low since Americans are so PC. Apparently, RJR is banking on the high smoking rate among 3 world youngsters. My feelings are if they drop the Camel name from this advertising expedition, there would be no purpose for it. Land Rover probably couldn't afford to float such an event just to demonstrate how rugged their vehicles are, and it's not really a race or a competition that other sponsors would be interested in. It would be much cheaper to sponsor a vehicle in the Baja 1000, a real endurance event. I couldn't help but chuckle as I watched some borrowed Camel Trophy videos. Not only was the music bad, but the people were taking it so damn seriously. Morgan ------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 10:36:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Morgan Hannaford Subject: Re: Disk or Drum Brakes G.P. said: > > Someone had earlier told Nick that the only way to convert to front disks > would be to convert to a coil chassis but I'm not so sure that's correct. > Didn't the 109 Stage I V-8 have front disk brakes? It definitely had leaf > springs. If it had disks, these should be usable on older leaf-sprung > Land-Rovers, shouldn't they? > A picture of a Stage I rolling chassis I have shows drums all around. What they did was detune the engine so the brakes weren't overpowered, fine engineering! Mo ------------------------------------ From: jory@figment.mit.edu (Jory Bell (prichard)) Subject: Re: Stuff to get rid of Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 13:57:33 -0400 (EDT) I'll take what's behind door #1! I'd be interested in the chain. What would it take to get you to being it to Apple (since I am currently contracting with OEM certification @ Marianni) Do the jerry can holders bolt up to the grab handle holes on the rear frame member? thanks, jory > > I've got too much stuff in too small a house so some of its looking for a new > home. > > Approx. 20 foot length of 3/8 chain with a hook at each end. Some of you may > have seen it hanging from my front bumper. > > two metal boxes that fit the bottom of Jerry cans, not US jeep cans. These were > on the back of my Land Rover and have been replaced by bumperettes. It put one > jerry can on each side of the tail gate. You could use them to mount twi jerry > cans whereever. > > Rear sideways facing bench seat, balk seat covers. This is the two person seat. > Will fit 88s and 109s. > > All the above available for free at my place, for a slight fee if I need to > transport them someplace, or for more $ if I end up taking them to a swap meet. > > TeriAnn Wakeman .sig closed for remodeling > twakeman@apple.com > > > > > ------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 11:28:51 -0800 From: jfhess@ucdavis.edu (John Hess) Subject: hybrid vehicle Hey, Is it really important to start with an 88? My wife and I at different times have thought about the electric conversion for an around Davis, maybe to Sac vehicle. We thought about two cars: one, the ever reliable Mazda GLC hatchback--168,000 miles already; two, an old sunbeam alpine (remember, I have a Tiger). The Sunbeam is small and light but has a good trunk for carrying things. Alpines are relatively cheap, espesially if you find one with no engine. Convertible top (very important, YMMV). Coverting to eletric would get rid of the gas engine and tranny. There you have my 2 cents worth John Hess, PhD Phone me 916 752 8420 Dept of Human Anatomy FAX me (ask first or I may get in trouble) University of Calif Davis, CA Email me jfhess@ucdavis.edu ------------------------------------ From: Nick_Baggarly@cinnamon.mcafee.com Date: Mon, 22 May 95 12:47:07 PST Subject: Joe Lucas Yahoo Challenge Head Count I will certainly be at the Yahoo Challenge. I'm looking forward to a sojourn to the Hollister area so I can finally put some faces to the names I've been reading for the past month. Count me in! I would recommend that the weekend start as early as possible Friday night or Saturday morning so we can get the most out of the event. I can't help much with camp site selection (except for financially) because I don't know the area. There will be three additional people with me. Nick C. Baggarly '66 SIIA 88 Los Gatos, Cale ------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Joe Lucas Yahoo Challenge Head Count Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 14:40:02 -0700 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Put me down as a maybe for the Yahoo Challenge. I want to go, but my schedule is getting very crowded for June and I dunno how the $$$ situation will be ( ~$70 for gas + meals +...) and I need the Rover to be in tiptop shape 7 days later for my cross country road trip (which will be $500+ in gas..) Ben ------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 15:16:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Morgan Hannaford Subject: Note for Ben S. (don't bother) I said don't bother! Sorry all, I lost Ben's direct address. Ben, could you give me some more details on the nevada.edu/pub/guitar/.. internet fakebook? This sounds pretty neat! Do you know of any other similar sites? I'm new to this internet thing, I tried to find it through gopher with no luck, so the more detail on how to get it the better. A "sus" chord is just messing around with the other notes in the major scale while playing a chord. For example, a Dsus4 is playing a D and with your pinky raising the 6th string one fret (to the G or 3rd fret position), a G is the 4th note in a D major scale. A Dsus2 would require playing an E somewhere (usually dropping the 6th string open, playing open E). These riffs are very popular in folk guitar (The Byrds, Tom Petty, and REM use them big-time). Diminished and fragmented chords come up more in Jazz. Cheers, and thanks in advance! Morgan ------------------------------------ From: UncleBrad@aol.com Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 19:27:43 -0400 Subject: Film crew seeking Rover owners I received a call from a fellow in the UK the other day. He works for a TV production company which is going to be travelling across the US this summer. They will be working on a film which focuses on the theme, "Rovers Across America". Apparently this group is covering many British marques and has already done "Jags Across America". For this trip, they are looking for people in the US who use Land Rovers in their work. If you know of any such people who might be willing to be filmed with their Rover sometime in September, could you please contact me at: AW Editor@aol.com or 510-687-0955 Thanks a million! Brad Blevins ------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Film crew seeking Rover owners Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 16:35:58 -0700 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Brad wrote: > AW Editor@aol.com Is this an actual email address? No "_" between the AW and Editor? Sendmail will break on the space because it will assume that the space separates parameters. You might get away with this on a Mac based email program, but not much else. Ben (if only I uses my Rover at work...) ------------------------------------ From: "Kerner, Robert" Subject: work Rover Date: Mon, 22 May 95 16:39:00 PDT I am soon to be unemployed so I will spend all my time looking for work and working on my Rover. Does that count? My dream job would require me to use my Rover at work. -Rob Kerner fork0@smtp.ais.ucla.edu ------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 95 17:10:59 PDT From: labranch@sybase.com (Jason LaBranch) Subject: Re: Film crew seeking Rover owners > > Ben (if only I uses my Rover at work...) Hey, I can go out in the forest and pretend I am doing some important work to save the earth from cataclismic environmental destruction. Anybody want to get together with me on this. With enough hands we could really put them on and we would be on TV too! Jason (What-is-this-world-comming-to) LaBranch ------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 18:03:51 +0100 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: Ball joint rebuild TeriAnn Wakeman writes: >3. Is there any good way to set up the shims without removing the tie rod ends? >Mine are in very good condition and I would hate to bang them up with a pickle >fork. Try removing the tie-rod ends with a small gear puller. The two arms hook to the cast iron, and the center punches the end of the treaded tie-rod. A can of WD-40 or Liquid Wrench also helps! As far as rebuilding the swivel balls, I recently called DAP to find that their prices for NEW units was relatively low ($140 each ?), and that they would refit the pins, etc. by shipping them your housing. They also mentioned that any auto/machine shop with a press could do the job with no problem (Yea, right!). Michael Carradine Carradine Studios Tel.500-442-6500 Architect Architecture Development Planning Pgr.510-945-5000 NCARB RIBA PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA cs@crl.com Unimog 4x4 WWW page at http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html ------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 18:30:52 +0100 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: Ball joint rebuild TeriAnn Wakeman writes: >3. Is there any good way to set up the shims without removing the tie rod ends? >Mine are in very good condition and I would hate to bang them up with a pickle >fork. Try removing the tie-rod ends with a small gear puller. The two arms hook to the cast iron, and the center punches the end of the treaded tie-rod. A can of WD-40 or Liquid Wrench also helps! As far as rebuilding the swivel balls, I recently called DAP to find that their prices for NEW units was relatively low ($140 each ?), and that they would refit the pins, etc. by shipping them your housing. They also mentioned that any auto/machine shop with a press could do the job with no problem (Yea, right!). Michael Carradine Carradine Studios Tel.500-442-6500 Architect Architecture Development Planning Pgr.510-945-5000 NCARB RIBA PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA cs@crl.com Unimog 4x4 WWW page at http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html ------------------------------------ Date: 22 May 95 21:32:54 EDT From: "Stephen O'Hearn" <72700.3262@compuserve.com> Subject: Two lists! This is great! Looks like the LRO list is back. Now I can have twice the amount of LR fun as before! - Stephen (now an LROA member!) +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen O'Hearn 1994 LAND- Tread Lightly | | El Segundo, CA, USA DEFENDER -ROVER on Public and | | 72700.3262@compuserve.com 90 The Best 4x4xFar Private Lands | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 19:07:41 -0700 From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: Joe Lucas Yahoo Challenge Head Count > As I understand it dates are: arrival possibly evening of June 9th or > early morning on 10th (with as much neon, chrome, aftermarket T-shirts, > stickers, etc. as possible); actual Yahoo Challenge on the 10th; evening > camping; morning convoy to Hayward on the 11th (including as much fresh > dirt, mud and other assorted debris as possible). Excellent. Sounds like fun! Assuming I'm up and running then, (should be,) I'll be there. Might even have the 88" as well. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California ------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 19:07:38 -0700 From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: cubbys and headliners > My friend here in RC has Trakkers in his 109. The center seat is smaller > than the rest, but there are 3 seats. Hey, they have to mount to the same > mounts! He reccomend not getting the high-back with head support for the > center seat or the seats in the rear. Has trouble seeing out the back > and something to do with folding the rear seats forward. Guess they hit > on that bar thing the 109s have! > Kelly Minnick Sounds good. I don't need a high-back seat in the center as no one ever sits there, but it's nice to have in case a ladyfriend wants to lie down across the seats while driving. Sounds like the smaller, headless center seat is perfect. Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California ------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 19:07:52 -0700 From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: INDY1 with shades (was: Brits want Rovers for film) Cc: unclebrad@aol.com, aweditor@aol.com > If you know of any such people who might be willing to be filmed with their > Rover sometime in September, could you please contact me at: You betcha! I'll have my desk/office ready, if they want to see the ultimate mobile office. (Complete with phone, computer, printer, fax/modem, etc.) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California ------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 20:25:30 -0700 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Re: Yahoooooooooooooo! You wrote: > >Jeremy wrote: > >>Myself, I'm 50/50 about Hayward (not so much point in taking a D90 >>there, and I'm tempted to get some more time in pulling the trans on the >>109). > >I disagree. Just because it's not old doesn't mean it's not neat. And it >plays an important role sitting alongside the old ones, showing how >little/much they've changed. Besides, we'd miss you and your vapor lock >recovery unit :-) > Ah yes the vapor lock recovery unit. Well maybe its more like 75/25. Cheers, Jeremy ------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 20:58:00 -0700 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Franken109 [2] - clutch bell housing patch? Well the project continues (mostly a lot of degreasing and cleaning and interior parts removal prior to the trans. pull), and I've got some more questions. In the process of disassembly I've discovered a very interesting "modification". Seems like the PO(or PPO more likely) cut/chipped away the part of the clutch bell housing which bulges around the end of the starter motor so there's now a somewhat ragged hole of about 1.5" diameter in the housing through which the starter motor end is just visible. (What does go through some peoples minds?? Can't imagine what lead to creating the hole). Given that this situation is not acceptable this leads to the next question: Should I try to get this hole patched by welding or should I go for a "new" bell housing (if locatable)? Anyone have any experience/comment on patching such metal? Does anyone know a paint that's an acceptable match to the original interior ivory/white? I figure I'll start repainting the interior as it comes out. Also looks like the primary gear shift lever has been welded at its base just above the ball, but the job looks good enough and doesn't seem to warrant a replacement part. Still, it makes me wonder: how did that break? Well another few hours of cleaning and prep and the gearbox and transfer case should be out; this weekend?? Cheers, Jeremy ------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 21:11:53 -0700 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Re: Film crew seeking Rover owners You wrote: >they are looking for people in the US >who use Land Rovers in their work. >If you know of any such people who might be willing to be filmed with their >Rover sometime in September OOOH! OOOH! Pick me! Pick Me! Now I just have to come up with a non-confidential, no-security issue, no PR problem, "glad to have our site on film", oil spill, environmental clean up or site investigation where film crews with no OSHA 40 hour hazardous materials safety training can get reasonably close for photos without a pack of megalomaniac public officials trying to get on film-- NO PROBLEM. (hmmm ... Golden Gate Bridge lead cleanup might fit in around then - yeah that outa be good - local Land Rover assists in cleaning up a prominent tourist attraction and national landmark-- bad press? what bad press? :) ) Oh well, Jeremy ------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 23:17:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Walter C. Swain" Subject: 1989 RR County Hi All, I've been out in the field and otherwise trying to make a living. This has temporarily sidetracked me from the more important Rover-esque aspects of my life. Sunday I wandered past a local Nissan dealer that has a 1989 RR County for sale, and they obviously don't know what to do with it. The asking price is "Make Offer". It's probably too old and high mileage to be of interest to the local Rover Dealership. I'd appreciate some input on evaluating it as a potential addition to our fleet. Here's what I found: Lots of little rust spots in strange places, like the lug nuts and door hinges. I found pockets of sand on the frame and under the floor mats. Strong indications of use on or near the ocean? The rear muffler has a great gaping hole in the bottom, apparently eaten away by rust. Any idea of what pathologies this might indicate? No blue smoke, so it doesn't seem to be living on oil. The engine is smooth running and sounding. The mileage is 101,000 (more or less) and the sales shark finally admitted it was a rough unit after I shrugged off the blue book prices he was throwing around as irrelevant. It has had a lot of use, but it doesn't really look as though it was beaten. Lots of dog hair that Peg thinks came from a golden lab. PO couldn't have been all bad. Most of the parts are genuine Land Rover spares, right down to the belts and the aluminium bull bar. I drove it several miles, including a pretty rough country road. Low range is OK; no bad noises going in and out, crawls along in low just fine. Tracks nicely on the road, but the speedo seems to be ready high. The biggest thing seems to be the handling which runs heavily to wallowing. At a minimum it wants shocks, I'd think. But is this an indication of tired coil springs? Or is it just the down side of no sway bars (not factory installed in '89?) and maximum articulation? I drove a '94 last year that didn't have any of this wallowing behavior. The shark is calling me and so far I've been reticent to make any kind of offer. This could be a real disaster if I'm missing important things. We are talking wholesale here, I think. And I don't think they'll get very much for it at auction. I'm thinking it *might* be worth 10K, but I don't know where I want to start the bidding, if I start at all. Years ago I bought a Peugeot from a Volvo dealer under similar circumstances, and made my best and final offer up front. I spent several days being harrased by the sharks before they finally accepted the offer. It was not a pleasant process. All thoughts and comments zgratefully accepted. Walt = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Walter C. Swain | wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us Davis Community Network | Davis, California | 1967 109 Series IIA Safari SW ------------------------------------ End of Digest