From: mendo_recce@lists.off-road.com Subject: Digest for mendo_recce: 4/6/1998 Errors-To: owner-mendo_recce@lists.off-road.com Reply-To: mendo_recce@lists.off-road.com Precedence: bulk This is the digest for the mendo_recce mailling list ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------ From: GElam30092 Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:41:22 EDT Subject: Tom Walsh! SIII? Tom... Dale gave me several repair manuals that covers Series vehicles. When I got home, I realized that I already have one or two of them. Pay the postage and I'll pass my duplicates on to you if Dale has no objectives! <> Do a 859 mile day and your hands will shake themselves! I did notice that my hearing suffered a bit too. Two clerks had to repeat themselves on Saturday. It was probably more radio induced that LR-induced. Let me know regarding the books and I'll get them out to you. Need your address if you're interested. Gerry Elam PHX AZ ------------------------------------ From: "Christopher H. Dow" Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 07:49:53 -0700 Subject: Re: The disease turns chronic Um. Nobody wants to shake our hands. Their covered with grime from our rigs. C Tom Walsh wrote: > So when do I learn the secret series handshake? ------------------------------------ From: "Christopher H. Dow" Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 07:57:00 -0700 Subject: Re: The disease turns chronic Christopher H. Dow wrote: > > Um. Nobody wants to shake our hands. Their covered with grime from > our rigs. ^^^^^ | I hang my head in shame.----+ ------------------------------------ From: GElam30092 Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:56:15 EDT Subject: Storage on a SIII? Is there a reasonable way to add storage to a SIII? I need a footlocker-sized box and would rather not go custom unless necessary. I need something to store a few basic tools, jack, etc. Is there an aftermarket box that someone has already identified as a good fit? The spare is attached to the bulkhead in the bed by the way. Suggestions are greatly appreciated. One other note: Armando extended an invitation to do the Mendo with him in a couple of weeks. So, I purchased a ticket and will fly over on the 23rd. Looking forward to meeting everyone and renewing old ties in some cases. Armando... I won't tell anyone but I'll be returning your Lynard Skynard CD too. Does anyone besides me know you listen to that stuff? I mean, I'm an old huntingfishingveterandrivewiththewindowsdownredneck from way back. Never chewed tobacco but once and listening to that stuff is kind of expected from me. But you?! Gerry Elam PHX AZ ------------------------------------ From: JB Kropp Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:15:32 -0700 Subject: Super Punch Super Punch, anybody know where to find it? Thx, JB ------------------------------------ From: bobnsueb@maxinet.com (Bob and Sue Bernard) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 09:00:16 -0700 Subject: Re: Super Punch At 08:15 AM 4/6/98 -0700, you wrote: >Super Punch, anybody know where to find it? >Thx, >JB If you mean Power Punch, I get it at NAPA and have seen it at the Car Quest place also. Bob B ------------------------------------ From: bobnsueb@maxinet.com (Bob and Sue Bernard) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 09:02:33 -0700 Subject: Re: ? on Series III Diff oil level At 08:44 PM 4/5/98 -0700, you wrote: >I am puting stuff back together on the front end now, and notice my >front diff has a filler plug in front(ie facing the front of the vehicle >when installed) and one in back(ie in the same location of the filler on >the rear diff.) Which would be the correct one to fill to the top. >Are they the same? > Hi Rob, The fill plug on the diff and the housing are at the same level so use whichever is easiest. Fill the 90wt starts to dribble out. To the bottom of thhe fill hole. Bob B ------------------------------------ From: Mehdi Saghafi Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 21:10:28 -0700 Subject: SIII starting I decided to change the plugs in the SIII to a hoter one to see if I could fix dieseling. I got NGK B6ES. I don't know if mixed the plug wires or the gapping is wrong, but can not get the car to start. It started, backfired and just cant get going. Help is appreciated. Mehdi ------------------------------------ From: "FHYap" Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:04:24 -0700 Subject: Re: Super Punch > > Super Punch, anybody know where to find it? > Thx, > JB > Do you mean Power Punch - what some have been adding to the tranny to reduce noise? Frank ------------------------------------ From: TeriAnn Wakeman Date: Mon, 6 Apr 98 09:26:19 -0700 Subject: Re: The disease turns chronic > >Thats the plan! I will run it topless all summer, maybe get the hoops >and canvass, then try and find a pickup top maybe for winter... >Add basic recovery gear ( hi-lift, tow straps ), A CB/ portable ham. >Maybe a locking compartment for stuff somewhere? >Possibly a simple hoop rollbar, and somehow get my warn M8000 to be >portable for the little bugger. But I want this to be a light runner. Tom, I somehow don't see you leaving anything alone or stockish. I suspect a genetic mandate for tweeking exists in your blood. So with that in mind: 1. Pick up the recent issue of Land Rover World that has the artical providing step by step instructions of the modifications needed to fit a Salisbury rear axle assembly onto an 88. It should be ether the Feb, or Mar '98 issue. 2. Start shopping for a used military roll bar. This is a double bar designed to handle soft dirt that fits under soft tops. 3. Mantec not only has snorkle kits, they have shovel and pick axe mounts. P.A. Blanchard & Co would be a good source for those mounts as well. 4. The military extended shackles will provide your car with a lift of about 2 inches. On an 88 you really should add a shim at each spring-axle corner to realign the axles and maintain the same angle on the front and rear 'U' joints. 5. Replace the stock breathers woth Defender style. 6. See my web site for more stuff, like adding a second front fuel tank and increasing resistance to vibration damage. Good luck and I hope you enjoy your new toy TeriAnn Wakeman The Green Rover, rebuilt and Santa Cruz, California and maintained using parts from twakeman@cruzers.com British Pacific 800-554-4133 http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman ------------------------------------ From: TeriAnn Wakeman Date: Mon, 6 Apr 98 09:27:56 -0700 Subject: Re: Land Rovers Across America Movie ;>Dear all, ;>A little over a year ago a guy named Alan Jabez (spelling) was making a ;>movie about Land Rovers in the US. He was here for the ECR off road day ;>during the 1996 DownEast, etc. This weekend I got a copy of his finished ;>movie. It basically covers a trip from Maine to Hawaii and goes to some ;>companies, some club outtings, some LRNA stuff, etc. It has commercials ;>from LRNA, some cool old photos of 60's 70's Rover ads, a few collectors ;>are interviewed etc. It is very nicely done... having a BS degree in film I ;>give it the thumbs up. ;-) ;>From: Mike Smith, EAST COAST ROVER CO. I was Down South last Friday and Saturday and watched the movie while visiting British Pacific. I agree it is a very well done movie and very interesting. Since a lot of footage was shot at the Down East meet, it seems East coast weighted to me. The West seemed mainly represented by the Beverly Hills Range Rover crowd. I personally would have preferred to have the West coast off road Land Rovers better represented. But all and all I liked the movie a lot. I think it is definitely worth seeing. Since I saw a few copies at British Pacific, I think they may be offering it for sale. Take care, TeriAnn Wakeman The Green Rover, rebuilt and Santa Cruz, California and maintained using parts from twakeman@cruzers.com British Pacific 800-554-4133 http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman ------------------------------------ From: TeriAnn Wakeman Date: Mon, 6 Apr 98 09:37:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Super Punch >Super Punch, anybody know where to find it? >Thx, >JB Well, I would guess just about any supermarket. Just pick up a bottle of Hawaiian fruit punch and a bottle of vodka and mix the two.... If you are talking about an oil additive that has molybidium in suspension, my local auto parts store carrys it. Star Auto in Aptos. I use it to quiet down the howling in my transfer case... and transmission and diffs. It seems to be good stuff. TeriAnn Wakeman The Green Rover, rebuilt and Santa Cruz, California and maintained using parts from twakeman@cruzers.com British Pacific 800-554-4133 http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman ------------------------------------ From: Ben Mitchell Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 09:33:36 -0700 Subject: Re: The disease turns chronic On that note... Mantec seems to make all kinds of cool stuff. Does anyone have contact info for them? I'd like to get a catalog... I've never heard of P.A. Blanchard, but if someone could post their phone/address/email(?) that'd be great, too. Thanks, Ben twakeman@cruzers.com wrote: > 3. Mantec not only has snorkle kits, they have shovel and pick axe > mounts. P.A. Blanchard & Co would be a good source for those mounts as > well. > -- Ben Mitchell Voice: (408) 616-3374 BMC Software Fax: (408) 616-3362 965 Stewart Dr. It's never over mailto:Ben_Mitchell@bmc.com Sunnyvale, Ca 94086 In a Rover http://www.datatools.com ------------------------------------ From: "William L. Grouell" Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: SIII starting > > I don't know if mixed the plug wires or the gapping is wrong, but can > not get the car to start. It started, backfired and just cant get > going. Help is appreciated. > > Mehdi > 1 3 4 2 counter-clockwise, where one is the front cylinder and the rotor is pointing to that plug wire at TDC. ~bg ------------------------------------ From: TeriAnn Wakeman Date: Mon, 6 Apr 98 10:16:08 -0700 Subject: Re: The disease turns chronic >On that note... > >Mantec seems to make all kinds of cool stuff. Does anyone have contact >info for them? I'd like to get a catalog... Mantec Services phone/FAX 01203 39568 Mantec@co-net.com > >I've never heard of P.A. Blanchard, but if someone could post their >phone/address/email(?) that'd be great, too. P.A. Blanchard & Co EX Ministry Land Rovers and spares Phone, (01430) 872765 FAX, (01430) 872777 They carry lots of new spares for the military LRs. I have had good experiences purchasing parts from them. The have a 95 page parts list for 5 pounds that you can pay via your credit card. I have found that military Land Rover parts to be the ruggedized versions of equivalent civilian parts. And there are some things like the shovel and pick axe mounts that were developed for the military and add capability to the civilian rigs. Take care, TeriAnn Wakeman The Green Rover, rebuilt and Santa Cruz, California and maintained using parts from twakeman@cruzers.com British Pacific 800-554-4133 http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman ------------------------------------ From: jfeemste@Adobe.COM (J D Feemster) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:28:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: LR Gives Away "Vintage" LR It is very likely that they could be referring to a much later model vehicle - say as in a '88 Range Rover. -jd >Some interesting news arrived in the mail the other day from the >dealer where I purchased my D90. I've confirmed it from my sources >at work too (another LR dealer). > >As part of their 50th anniversary "celebration" LRNA will be giving >away a "Vintage" Land Rover, apparently from a drawing of celebration >attendees. The celebrations being held at the dealerships by >invitation. >This is apparently accompanied by drawings for attending "The Colorado >Event" > >I wonder who rebuilt this "Vintage" model for them? .... or maybe >it hasn't been rebuilt :)... imagine that.. someone winning an old, >barely running >88... wouldn't that be a laugh. > >Interesting to see yet another retroactive term applied to older models. > >Now I'm getting confused. Do I refer to Mathilda (109SW) as a Series, >Heritage, or Vintage model? :) Or does the Vintage apply to Winston >(S1) and >Heritage to the Series. Or are the Series, early Defenders or is this >limited only >to the SIII or possibly the Stage 1s? Does LRNA even know what a Stage >1 is? >Will the currenty Discoverys become Classics once the new Disco appears >this >fall and will the original Range Rover become something else. Would >they possibly >call the original Discoverys the Heirloom models?? > >So, anyway yes I'll be attending the dealer's celebration, if only to >get a "inside" laugh, although I may drive the 109 rather than the 90 >:) >Besides I may need another "Vintage" model :) > >cheers > >Jeremy > >cheers > >Jeremy ------------------------------------ From: Derek Dukes Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 10:37:49 -0700 Subject: workshop manual... I just got the new Pacific Atlantic parts catalog in the mail sat. and they have a workshop manual in there for 79 dollars, they also have a parts manual. Do i need both a 80 a pop, or is it good enought just to have the workshop manual? -- thanks, derek ------------------------------------ From: Ben Mitchell Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 11:27:03 -0700 Subject: Re: workshop manual... While I wouldn't for a second say "don't buy the shop manual" - it's essential - I find I get most of the really valuable information out of the parts manual. It has more detail about the way things are assembled. No instructions, but great pictorial representations. And it also helps you know exactly what you need to order when something breaks. Having part numbers makes it much easier on both you and the person on the other side of the counter (phone line). -Ben derek@yahoo-inc.com wrote: > > I just got the new Pacific Atlantic parts catalog in the mail sat. and > they have a workshop manual in there for 79 dollars, they also have a > parts manual. Do i need both a 80 a pop, or is it good enought just to > have the workshop manual? > > -- thanks, derek -- Ben Mitchell Voice: (408) 616-3374 BMC Software Fax: (408) 616-3362 965 Stewart Dr. It's never over mailto:Ben_Mitchell@bmc.com Sunnyvale, Ca 94086 In a Rover http://www.datatools.com ------------------------------------ From: "Christopher H. Dow" Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 11:30:46 -0700 Subject: Re: SIII starting If all you changed was the plugs, then it probably is the ordering. I put hatches on my plug wires (|,||,|||,||||) and was able to avoid that mess. C Mehdi Saghafi wrote: > > I decided to change the plugs in the SIII to a hoter one to see if I > could fix dieseling. I got NGK B6ES. > > I don't know if mixed the plug wires or the gapping is wrong, but can > not get the car to start. It started, backfired and just cant get > going. Help is appreciated. > > Mehdi ------------------------------------ From: engineering Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 12:29:20 -0700 Subject: Dormobile Racks from BP Hi, all, I checked the BritPac Internet special of the day for today and it's an announcement of the availability of a custom roof rack for a Land-Rover Dormobile. This is a very nice-looking rack that overhangs the windscreen and has struts that reach down to the windscreen hinges. The following text will be found on the specials page: _______________________________________________________________________New item: Dormobile Roof Rack Now, here's something you won't find anywhere else! A rack designed specifically for Dormobile conversions on Series trucks. Due to their pop-up fiberglass top, there is limited room for a traditional rack. This design has all our usual rack features, like flush ground welds and wider bottom rail for deck attachment. The novel feature is the front mounts, which attach to the windshield hinge bolt. This allows a longer rack than could be accomodated with gutter mounts alone, and makes for a nice, stout system. The rack is just tall enough to protect the tallest bits of the rare and valuable fiberglass top, providing extra protection if nothing else! Due to the admittedly limited demand of such an item, these will be special order only, and allow 2-3 weeks for completion. As with our other racks, mounts and light tabs may be added at customer request and at extra cost. $399.00 _______________________________________________________________________ Cheers, Granny ------------------------------------ From: TeriAnn Wakeman Date: Mon, 6 Apr 98 12:23:11 -0700 Subject: Re: SIII starting >If all you changed was the plugs, then it probably is the ordering. I >put hatches on my plug wires (|,||,|||,||||) and was able to avoid that >mess. > >C The genuine plug wires are labeled with the plug numbers. I have used inexpensive after market wires or made my own cable up for parts from as long as I've had cars until the last year or so. I got talked into purchasing a set of real LR plug wires and will not go back to the after market or home made stuff. The end connections are high quality and designed to keep moisture away from the connections (A biggie as far as I'm concerned). The series II wire set is a lot more expensive than the series III set. The difference between the two is that the distributor to coil wire is longer in the series II kit. I moved my coil over to the series III location so I could use the Series III center wire and purchase the less expensive set. Just another $0.02 worth TeriAnn Wakeman The Green Rover, rebuilt and Santa Cruz, California and maintained using parts from twakeman@cruzers.com British Pacific 800-554-4133 http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman ------------------------------------ From: Morgan Hannaford Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:39:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: cute little bugger? Tom wrote: "So when do I learn the secret series handshake?" ................... It goes like this: wipe right hand off on pants, shake as normal. Tom, you ARE gonzo! Imagine, buying a whole Land-Rover for the cost of installing 2 ARBs, mud-tires and wheels for a Disco. Careful, although low-tech and seemingly simple, Series vehicles can be a huge money vacuume without apparent visual rewards. -Mo ------------------------------------ From: James Howard Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:36:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Storage on a SIII? On Mon, 6 Apr 1998, GElam30092 wrote: > Is there a reasonable way to add storage to a SIII? I need a footlocker-sized > box and would rather not go custom unless necessary. I need something to > store a few basic tools, jack, etc. Is there an aftermarket box that someone > has already identified as a good fit? An awful lot of my tools fit in the box under the driver's seat, but I think Dale removed that for a auxillary fuel tank. Two of the medium size black Rubbermaid boxes fit nicely side by side between the wheel wells, and give you a nice flat space to store stuff on. You have a soft top and you live in Phoenix, so that may not work for you either. I have a tray that fits under the cover under the centre seat. You can fit hand tools there, and it is lockable. The PO made it in sheet metal class, but I saw one parts supplier offered one for sale. James ------------------------------------ From: TeriAnn Wakeman Date: Mon, 6 Apr 98 13:15:15 -0700 Subject: NEW Dormobile roof racks!!! About 26 years after the last Land Rover Dormobile was built, a new commercial Land Rover Dormobile accessory has become available.... A heavy duty roof rack. A small, light duty roof rack was an option available directly through Martin Walters at the time the Dormobile was purchased. This rack was light duty thin walled tubing that was only about as long as the top of the front door. It didn't hold much. If you put much weight on this rack you ran the risk of cracking the windscreen on rough surfaces. Brownchurch made a larger light duty roof rack. This rack was also made out of the light duty thin wall tubing. It stuck out over the windscreen with front attachments to the bottom of the windscreen. This provided around twice the roof storage space and kept stress off the windscreen. But the thin wall tubing flexes easily and there was minimal diagonal bracing. It was not unusual for the front legs of the rack to bend to the side when the car was at a side angle and was jarred. This destroyed the legs and warped the rack. It is my understanding that the last Brownchurch Dormobile roof rack was built around the early 70's and that they have since lost their original build drawings. Both racks were good for bulky very low weight items. Dormobiles are excellent short range expedition Land Rovers that make camping a joy. They just do not have storage space for long trips. The optional small rack and the larger light duty after market racks are the only commercially built roof racks I know of until now and they have become hard to come by. Neither of these racks are suitable for carrying full gerry cans of fuel or water or anything heavy. I have worked with British Pacific to design a new heavy duty Dormobile roof rack. As of Friday evening, April third, the prototype Dormobile roof rack is mounted on The Green Rover. The inside rail load space is slightly over 40 inches by 57 inches. it is made from 3/4 inch rectangular tubing, so you can hook bungie straps at anyplace. The rack as six mounting points. Two at the rear, two at the middle and two on the front at the base of the windscreen. Properly mounted, the weight rests primarily on the front and rear legs with the center to take up extra weight and torsional forces. The rear and center legs are diagonally braced in two directions for torsional strength. Since any roof rack adds wind resistance it was important to me that it be easily removable. The rear and middle legs are attached with gutter clamps (No holes in the body). The front mount features a quick release. The base mount stays attached to your windscreen's bottom bolts. You just pull a pin from the base of each leg to separate the front legs from the car. This eliminates half the work to mounting and unmounting the rack. Of course it looks nice enough that you might want to keep it on all the time. Did I mentioned that it allows a snorkel to be mounted under it and alongside the front leg? Pictures will be available soon through both British Pacific's and my web sites. Contact British Pacific (BRITPAC@aol) for prices and delivery. Land Rover Dormobiles have needed a heavy duty expedition quality roof rack since they first started being built. Now, around a quarter century after the last one was built this part becomes commercially available. My rack will soon be loaded for field testing on the 50th anniversary Trans American Border to Border trek. I'll let you know how it works out :*) Take care, TeriAnn Wakeman The Green Rover, rebuilt and Santa Cruz, California and maintained using parts from twakeman@cruzers.com British Pacific 800-554-4133 http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman ------------------------------------ From: Mehdi Saghafi Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 01:14:19 -0700 Subject: more SIII (tapping) after hearing some tapping when cruising about 30+mph I tried adjusting the valves. Tapping is not rydmic.( it like every few seconds). Valve #7 was a bit loose, but the rest were good. I used Bob's recommendation of 1+7 method. Anyway folk what is your guess at this? Thanks Mehdi ------------------------------------ From: TeriAnn Wakeman Date: Mon, 6 Apr 98 13:33:11 -0700 Subject: Re: Dormobile Racks from BP >Hi, all, > >I checked the BritPac Internet special of the day for today and it's an >announcement of the availability of a custom roof rack for a >Land-Rover Dormobile. This is a very nice-looking rack that overhangs >the windscreen and has struts that reach down to the windscreen hinges. It is really a well made rack. I have no hesitation about standing on it. it is the first ever heavy duty commercial rack available for the Dormobile. It really looks good mounted on that great looking Land Rover! ;*) > >The following text will be found on the specials page: >_______________________________________________________________________New >item: Dormobile Roof Rack >Now, here's something you won't find anywhere else! A rack designed >specifically for Dormobile conversions on Series trucks. Due to their >pop-up fiberglass top, there is limited room for a traditional rack. >This design has all our usual rack features, like flush ground welds and >wider bottom rail for deck attachment. The novel feature is the front >mounts, which attach to the windshield hinge bolt. This allows a longer >rack than could be accomodated with gutter mounts alone, and makes for a >nice, stout system. The rack is just tall enough to protect the tallest >bits of the rare and valuable fiberglass top, providing extra protection >if nothing else! Due to the admittedly limited demand of such an item, >these will be special order only, and allow 2-3 weeks for completion. As >with our other racks, mounts and light tabs may be added at customer >request and at extra cost. >$399.00 >_______________________________________________________________________ >Cheers, > > >Granny > TeriAnn Wakeman I subscribe to several high volume mail Santa Cruz, California Lists and do not read every posting. twakeman@cruzers.com If you send me direct mail, please start www.cruzers.com/~twakeman subject with TW- so I will know to read it. "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 ------------------------------------ From: TeriAnn Wakeman Date: Mon, 6 Apr 98 13:50:36 -0700 Subject: Re: more SIII (tapping) >after hearing some tapping when cruising about 30+mph I tried adjusting >the valves. >Tapping is not rydmic.( it like every few seconds). Valve #7 was a bit >loose, but the rest were good. I used Bob's recommendation of 1+7 >method. Anyway folk what is your guess at this? > >Thanks >Mehdi > > hmmm, if you said tapping under load, I would suspect engine knocking. but if this is something happening around a certain RPM I suspect engine vibration is hitting the resenate frequency of another part and you are hearing a vibration. Some of these vibrations can be very dificult to tell from engine tapping. They can also be hard to track down. The common suspects on my car are: overdrive lever, transfer case lever, heater duct lever and manual throttle lever. Good luck locating your problem. TeriAnn Wakeman The Green Rover, rebuilt and Santa Cruz, California and maintained using parts from twakeman@cruzers.com British Pacific 800-554-4133 http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman ------------------------------------ From: JB Kropp Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 14:14:39 -0700 Subject: re: Super Punch Woops, yes I meant Power Punch. That for the info. JB ------------------------------------ From: "Tom Walsh" Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 15:29:20 +0000 Subject: Re: swivels and brakes Isn't that covered under extended waranty? I'll have to check on myne! TomW > > Just last week I did the swivels and front brakes on my 88". > > What a job! It took me over 18 hours of work, and I had more than > adequate shop conveniences (full garage with lift, air-tools, solvent > tank, presses etc). ---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------* Fluent Networks "Intelligent Networking Solutions" tomw@best.com 95 LR Disco "The Light Brigade" http://www.fluentnet.com my driveway meets or exceeds the APL GL-5, DOT 4 and 10w30 specs :) *---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------* ------------------------------------ From: "FHYap" Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 16:15:11 -0700 Subject: Re: Super Punch > > Woops, yes I meant Power Punch. That for the info. > JB > Try Center Auto Parts, near West Grand and what used to be the Cypress. Also saw it at Grand Auto, 51st/Broadway recently. Frank ------------------------------------ From: bobnsueb@maxinet.com (Bob and Sue Bernard) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 17:18:58 -0700 Subject: Re: more SIII (tapping) At 01:14 AM 4/7/98 -0700, you wrote: >after hearing some tapping when cruising about 30+mph I tried adjusting >the valves. >Tapping is not rydmic.( it like every few seconds). Valve #7 was a bit >loose, but the rest were good. I used Bob's recommendation of 1+7 >method. Anyway folk what is your guess at this? > >Thanks >Mehdi > Actually I said subtract from 9. When 1 is open, adjust 8. When 2 is open, adjust 7. When 3 is open, adjust 6. ETC, ETC. Until 8 is open, adjust 1. Some of these taps need to be heard to guess what they are. An out of round cam roller will make a tap that doesn't seem to follow the tappet speed. Or an out of round roller that is binding (which causes out of round flat spots) when it turns to a flat spot, the valve taps and when it stops on a high spot, the noise can stop. The timing chain can bounce around if the oil pressure doesn't hold the tensioner tight, but that is more of a rattling. Some noises are just some part of the body resonating with the engine vibration. Bob B > ------------------------------------ From: Kelly Minnick Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 19:07:26 -0700 Subject: Re: Ball Joints again I've put in the zirks. Not that hard of material. Why would they spend big bucks on the closure end of the ball joint? Get the chips out, though! (per Bob's sug) Later, Kelly Minnick barnett childress wrote: > Hi all, > Sorry for the xpost but... > Does anyone know about an aftermarket ball joint that has grease fittings? > My mechanic told me that you can't really drill and tap the LR ball joints > for a fitting as the metal is very hard. Has anyone ever tried this? > ------------------------------------ From: Kelly Minnick Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 19:15:22 -0700 Subject: Re: Saabs Yes, this dates your Saab. Water pump came out of the block in '85 (Triumph's wisdom here! - out of there 1.8L) If you look at Bosch, I know of Few EFI systems not made by Bosch including Ford, Chevy and Chyrsler. Ford has the Bosch symbol on one side and the Ford part # on the other! Older ('73-74) electrical EFI were more cantankerous. CI (continious injection) had it's problems including 72 psi running pressure - ever wonder why so many Audi's, BMW's, etc. had fuel fires when they had simple wrecks? Ever heard of a FAE (fuel air explosive!) The nev Bosch systems are so complex as to actually clean the air in places such as London and LA (yes, tail pipe emmisions cleaner than surrounding air). I think the state should pay me to drive my car! Speaking of electronics, I've noticed that LR is sourcing more and more of it's electronics to W. Germany (even before BMW). Yes, that is a good thing! Kelly Minnick TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > >Kelly writes: > > > > but I never need to add oil. Then again, none of my other 6 Saab's > >> needed it either. Even at 160K miles. > >> > >> No, I don't think Saab it the ultimate car. But, they do spend lots of > time > >& > >> money in their engine designs. > That still doesn't change the primary reasons I sold my Saab. > > 1. The water pump tended to go bad about once every two years. The water > pump is internal to the block and driven off the cam shaft. If the pump > tries to size it will destroy the gears on the cam requiring a new cam > shaft. I had new cams on multiple occasions. > > 2. Those #*&#$* Bosh electrics gave me nothing but problems > - My Bosh fuel injection system had a frequent hicup. I spent chunks of > $$$ paying assorted "factory trained fuel injection specialists" to swap > out subassemblies until I decided to live with the hicup. > - I had relays and sensors failing frequently. > - I went through three electric fans during the time I had that car > > I had more electrical problems with my Saab than I have had with both my > Land Rovers, my MGBGT and TR3 combined. > > TeriAnn Wakeman I subscribe to several high volume mail > Santa Cruz, California Lists and do not read every posting. > twakeman@cruzers.com If you send me direct mail, please start > www.cruzers.com/~twakeman subject with TW- so I will know to read it. > > "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" > Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 ------------------------------------ From: Dale Avery Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 19:40:15 -0700 Subject: Re: Brass Nuts & other things Granville Pool wrote: > > Exhausters, > > The discussion about brass nuts reminds me; I know a limmerick about them. > If anyone's interested, I'll send (but won't post on the list, at least not > intentionally!). > > Cheers, > > Granny Granny, send the limerick my way. I love em! BTW, made it home today with the new (to me) RR. Drove it 1,450 miles in two days; 905 miles the first, the rest today. Like all used vehicles, there are a number of problems that I'll have to get on. The two worst are RUST and an intermittant ABS light. The trip back was interesting. Weather was continuously changing from puff-ball clouds and blue skies to cold, gray clouds skudding across the landscape. I drove through everything from light mists to an incredible snowstorm (as I crossed the Continnental Divide near Butte, MT, where else?). Near Deerlodge MT I felt like I was driving down a cloud. The sun had been out on the roadway for about 15 minutes, and a light haze or fog was lifting off the road! Incredibly beautiful in the sunlight, and totally impossible to describe adequately. The Rover runs like a dream, actually will have to get used to doing 80 mph+ in a Rover! It was had to hold down to 75 while in MT. Love that state. It is a little boggy, however, going up the passes. The transmission wouldn't drop down into 3rd gear until around 1800 rpms or around 50 mph, then would pull like a tiger up to 65 mph, and pop into 4th gear and the process started all over again. I finally would just pull the shifter back into 3rd a 50 mph and hold it at 50-55 until I got over the pass(es). The Rust is a big problem on the back hatch above the tailgate. In fact I need a new one. anyone know of a wrecker yard I can contact about this? There is additional rust fore and aft which will require a lot of sanding, priming and repainting. Which brings up the point....ARB or a brush guard???? Can one use the ARB bull bar and rear bumper as a lift point for a HiLift jack?? My jack is pretty useless otherwise. So I'm trying to decide that once I have the bumpers off, should I go all the way with the ARB's, OME HD suspension, etc. as I redo the vehicle, or just stay pretty stock with brush bars and MD springs. I do have to replace the springs BTW. My son presently is driving around in "Otter" with his girlfriend. It's "Way cool" or "Fly" or something like that. He's stuck on the power seats. So it's back in the garage and under another Rover for me for the summer. One last question. Best winch for either ARB bumper or otherwise???? Dale & Otter Happily at home with SWMBO ------------------------------------ From: Dale Avery Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 19:45:50 -0700 Subject: Jeremy! ABS question Jeremy, I've got an intermittant ABS light. It goes on when I start then usually goes out again, once it stayed on for the entire time I was driving...How does one trouble shoot this?? Tnx for any suggestions, Dale ------------------------------------ From: Kelly Minnick Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 19:58:40 -0700 Subject: Re: Storage on a SIII? Look ex-military lockable stuff! Kelly Minnick GElam30092 wrote: > Is there a reasonable way to add storage to a SIII? I need a footlocker-sized > box and would rather not go custom unless necessary. I need something to > store a few basic tools, jack, etc. Is there an aftermarket box that someone > has already identified as a good fit? > > The spare is attached to the bulkhead in the bed by the way. > > Suggestions are greatly appreciated. > > One other note: Armando extended an invitation to do the Mendo with him in a > couple of weeks. So, I purchased a ticket and will fly over on the 23rd. > Looking forward to meeting everyone and renewing old ties in some cases. > > Armando... I won't tell anyone but I'll be returning your Lynard Skynard CD > too. Does anyone besides me know you listen to that stuff? I mean, I'm an > old huntingfishingveterandrivewiththewindowsdownredneck from way back. Never > chewed tobacco but once and listening to that stuff is kind of expected from > me. But you?! > > Gerry Elam > PHX AZ ------------------------------------ From: Kelly Minnick Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 20:02:34 -0700 Subject: Re: SIII starting If you look 'closely', the wire locations (1-4) are numbered on the dist. cap unless you changed caps... Later, Kelly William L. Grouell wrote: > > > > I don't know if mixed the plug wires or the gapping is wrong, but can > > not get the car to start. It started, backfired and just cant get > > going. Help is appreciated. > > > > Mehdi > > > > 1 3 4 2 counter-clockwise, where one is the front cylinder and the rotor > is pointing to that plug wire at TDC. > > ~bg ------------------------------------ From: Kelly Minnick Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 20:11:01 -0700 Subject: Re: more SIII (tapping) Was it tapping before the spark plug wire thing or after? Sounds like the wires may be screwed up ... OR I had a friend adjust his valves when the cam was 180 out. The engine ran, but rattled like crazy. Make sure you adjust the valves when the lifter is on the base of the cam... OR This is not a nice one. Seen this on 4 Rovers now. The timing adjuster on the older motors (pre- 2.5L) is junk (just my opinion as a mechanical engineer). When the engine diesels (mainly 8.0:1 heads), it loads the adjuster backwards, putting full valve train loads on the adjuster. The 'new' adjuster style helps this problem, but doesn't solve it. Check everything else before this (i.e. position of the dist versus TDC on the pointer and cam lift...) Write me if you need more info. Later, Kelly Minnick > >after hearing some tapping when cruising about 30+mph I tried adjusting > >the valves. > >Tapping is not rydmic.( it like every few seconds). Valve #7 was a bit > >loose, but the rest were good. I used Bob's recommendation of 1+7 > >method. Anyway folk what is your guess at this? > > > >Thanks > >Mehdi ------------------------------------ From: Kelly Minnick Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 20:13:01 -0700 Subject: Re: more SIII (tapping) This motor should be quite smooth since it has about 10K on total rebuild and Turner HP head. Kelly Minnick > Actually I said subtract from 9. > When 1 is open, adjust 8. > When 2 is open, adjust 7. > When 3 is open, adjust 6. > ETC, ETC. > Until 8 is open, adjust 1. > > Some of these taps need to be heard to guess what they are. > An out of round cam roller will make a tap that doesn't seem to follow the > tappet speed. > Or an out of round roller that is binding (which causes out of round flat > spots) > when it turns to a flat spot, the valve taps and when it stops on a high > spot, the noise can stop. > > The timing chain can bounce around if the oil pressure doesn't hold the > tensioner tight, but that is more of a rattling. > > Some noises are just some part of the body resonating with the engine > vibration. > > Bob B > > > ------------------------------------ From: Kelly Minnick Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 20:17:31 -0700 Subject: Re: Jeremy! ABS question With my '91, it was 2 relays. The system will flash codes to tell where the errors are if you have the book! Later, Kelly Minnick Dale Avery wrote: > Jeremy, > > I've got an intermittant ABS light. It goes on when I start then > usually goes out again, once it stayed on for the entire time I was > driving...How does one trouble shoot this?? > > Tnx for any suggestions, > > Dale ------------------------------------ From: Granville Pool Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 20:29:38 -0700 Subject: Tom and Gerry get Snarksibblings! TomW said: >Today the disease went full blown into its next phase! > >I now own a 1973 series III! Ah, what an excellent vintage, if I do say so myself. >He do you know if I can fit 33's from the Disco under the little >bugger? With front and rear military shackles and fresh springs, yes. And as you know, the steel Disco wheels work just fine on the Series beasts. >Maybe a locking compartment for stuff somewhere? I have a big black plastic (very lockable) bin in the back of the Snark. I bought it for my pickup but (for mendo a few years ago) tried it in the Snark and sho nuf it snugly fits between the wheelwells. It'll fit behind the bulkhead-mounted spare no problem, BTW. I bought mine at Home Depot (pronounced Homey de Pot). I think the name is "Tuff-Bin" (actually, I know it is; I just ran out in the rain and looked). This should be just what GerryE is seeking, too. >So when do I learn the secret series handshake?>> GerryE and ChrisD (not to mention MoH) answered that one all too well!! Then GerryE said: >One other note: Armando extended an invitation to do the Mendo with him in a >couple of weeks. So, I purchased a ticket and will fly over on the 23rd. >Looking forward to meeting everyone and renewing old ties in some cases. Gerry, that's great news! This year's MFnR promises to be a memorable one for outlanders as John Benham of SpokaneW and Mike Cavender of AlbanyO are also coming (together). I do believe that a certain estimable desert rat from the far reaches of Mill Valley will also grace our worthy company. I'm really looking forward to this one! TeriAnn said: >Tom, I somehow don't see you leaving anything alone or stockish. I >suspect a genetic mandate for tweeking exists in your blood. I'll second that one. Maybe as Tom experiments, I can catch some of the cast-off bits! Mo also said: >Careful, although low-tech and seemingly simple, Series vehicles >can be a huge money vacuume without apparent visual rewards. The Snark can certainly attest to that. Of the stuff I still have on my [very long] to-do list for the Snark, very little of aesthetic note will be floating to the top for a good long time! Cheers and congratulations, mates!! Granny ------------------------------------ From: Dale Avery Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 20:30:15 -0700 Subject: Re: The Journey of Tigger.... kind of longish Gerry, Glad to hear you made it in one piece! AS you may have read elsewhere, I did about 1450 miles in two days in my new RR. My wife loves it, my son already ran off with it to show to his friends. I told SWMBO that I wanted to put some big bucks into it...O.K.!!! Thanks again for buying Tigger. I know he will have a fine home and that you will take him out to play in the desert alot. I hope we can get together down in the four corners area next spring. If it sounds good to you, I'll start bugging John about a caravan down there. Think we may get Jim Gwynn to come along. BTW, Jim and John Woodhead restored two SI's back to mint condition. LRNA asked to buy one of them and they refused, at least that's the last story I heard from Jim. So if there are any "Vintage" vehicles being given away, they aren't coming from Spokane. Take care. It was a real pleasure to have you up here. Dale & Nanc GElam30092 wrote: > > >From Spokane to Phoenix: The Journey of Tigger > > I flew up to Spokane Thursday night to pick up Tigger from Dale Avery. > Tigger is a 1973 soft top which Dale has put a lot of time and energy into > making it a fine vehicle. Dale decided (along with his lovely wife) that an > older Range Rover was what they needed to continue to off-road together. At > least that’s Dale’s story! > > Dale met me at the airport and we proceeded to a local restaurant for a late > meal. I hadn’t seen John since we off-roaded in the Glen Canyon Utah area > last Memorial Day. He brought his pictures and we swapped stories about the > trip. > > Then, we went to Dale’s house. I drove Tigger from the restaurant to Dale’s > house. Once we got to Dale’s house, I was introduced to Dale’s wife. Then we > went to the garage to load up Tigger with all of his spares that won’t fit a > Range Rover…. which was just about everything he had! > > Finally got to bed around 12:15 AM and Dale’s dog woke me up around 6:30. We > went into town for breakfast and then I hit the road around 8 or so. I left > Spokane on 195 headed south towards Colfax. I wanted to avoid the interstates > as much as possible so the route was planned to do that as much as possible. > > The first couple of hundred miles were spent getting used to the steering and > power that Tigger offers. Dale put in a Turner engine which had about 6,600 > miles on it. The steering is what you’d expect from a Series III but much > better than my IIA which definitely needs attention! > > The best part of the first day was highway 95 and 55 through the southwest > portion of Idaho. I drove through rain, snow and sleet at altitudes of better > than 7,000 feet. The worst part of the trip was the same route which had a > nice river right beside it with little or no guard rails! I didn’t stop to > see if the water was cold but that was no doubt that it was snow-fed and > something that I didn’t want to experience! > > By the time it turned into night, I realized that I didn’t have a flashlight. > That was kind of stupid but I had to make do without it. Luckily, I had > plotted my route into a Garmin III so trying to read a map really wasn’t > necessary. > > The Garmin III has a nice built-in trip computer. It accumulates time and > distance when the vehicle is in motion. That makes tracking the miles and > average speed simple. More on that later. > > About 6 PM, I decided to push on and drive as far as feasible. For those who > haven’t visited the western part of the US from Washington to Arizona, keep in > mind that you need to plan your stops carefully. Most of the towns are at > least 30 miles apart with absolutely nothing between them. Very few houses, > no gas stations, no assistance whatsoever! Made me remember that I also > forgot my cell phone too. > > What did I remember to bring? My hunting gear with is fairly heavy-duty cold > weather clothing, gloves, etc and a fairly extensive set of tools. Dale gave > me several repair manuals so I wasn’t too worried. > > By the time I hit Jackpot Nevada, I was ready to stop for the night. Jackpot > is a budding little gambling town just across the Idaho/Nevada border with > quite a few choices of hotels and casino’s. I decided a Holiday Inn Express > was just what I needed and got the last non-smoking room. I also got a coupon > for $1 of nickels and a coupon for a free drink. They had a small casino > attached that served hotdogs. Being tired, I didn’t feel like driving > anywhere else so supper was a beer and hot-dog at the casino’s bar. > > I took the nickels and lost them within 10 minutes. Then, I moved to the > quarter slots and took 6 quarters out of my pocket. I’m one of the last of > the big-time spenders as you can tell! Walked away with about $3 in winnings > too! > > How far down the food chain is Jackpot? Juice Newton was playing one of the > hotels. Name one Juice Newton hit! > > I was up and on the road by 7:35 AM Saturday morning. The biggest part of > the journey is driving north to south across Nevada to Las Vegas. As the crow > flies, that is about 400 miles. > > Most of this is high desert. Again, I encountered snow, rain and sleet. The > journey was uneventful if not downright boring. The radio struggled to get > any stations so I mostly listened to the CB radio picking up conversations > from truckers. Even those were few. I also felt better about the ride of an > 88" learning to go with the flow and bumps rather than fighting them. > > I pulled into Las Vegas around early evening having made fairly good time. I > had planned to stop for supper but I wasn’t that hungry so I pushed on. I > wasn’t sure if I was going all the way to Phoenix or stop somewhere for the > night but I felt good so on I went. (Armando: it was that same feeling that > we had in Tuxpan Mexico when you asked how far we planned to go that night!) > > Crossing the Hoover Dam was fun. They keep the speed down to 15 MPH for the > most part so I could poke along without feeling guilty about holding back > traffic. There is a nice long climb back to the highway on the way to Kingman > but again, the Turner engine was fairly strong. > > Supper consisted of a tuna fish sandwich at Subways in Kingsman and then I had > to contend with the interstate for about 25 miles from Kingman to the turnoff > to Wickenburg. The on-ramp to interstate is long and uphill. In fact, from > the on-ramp on, the road climbs for several miles as you drive east. Without > the overdrive engaged, Tigger can easily maintain 55 mph even on the climbs. > > Once I turned off of I-40 back on 93, I came close to my first and only > accident. A Ford pulling a Nissan pass me and cut back to soon. I hit the > brakes and was missed by only inches. No problem. > > The road from the interstate to Wickenburg was something else. It runs around > 2,300 feet with fairly easy rolling hills. I guess I was in a hurry. Where > possible, Tigger was in overdrive and running around 3,000 rpms, I could > easily do 65 MPH with no strain. I was in what I consider to be my backyard, > the corral gates were open and I was going to sleep in my bed tonight! > > After stopping at work to pick up my computer and putting out a "home safe" > note to the Mendo, I finished the trip home. After un-loading the truck and > reading a couple more e-mails, I finally got to bed at 2 AM on Saturday night. > > Today is Sunday so I slept in. That’s the great thing about making a three > day trip into a two-day one… you get a day to recover. I made one or two > repairs to the LR fixing a window channel that fell out on Saturday night and > rewired the CB with a better disconnect so that I can remove it easily. > > Here are the details from the Garmin III. Keep in mind that the mile and > elapsed time is recorded when the Garmin detects that you’re moving. > > Odometer 1358.8 > Trip timer 26 hours, 35 minutes > Average speed 51.1 MPH > Max. speed I’m not telling but it was downhill and well over 70 MPH > > >From my notes, I used about 88 gal of gas for mileage of 15.4 mpg. No oil > used. > > Things I need to do to Tigger for long-term maintenance: replace or repair > two frame pieces that have a some rust. Fix the steering to stop the tire > from scrubbing during tight turns at slow speeds. I’d love to have a couple > more inches…. of leg room … for comfort’s sake so I’ll look at moving the > bulkhead back somehow. I’m 6’2" so room is at a premium. (And yes I knew > fully well that 88" have no legroom too!) > > All things considered, I’m happy with Tigger. Dale’s done a lot of work > making it a fine vehicle. Everything between the grill and the engine > bulkhead is new or reconditioned….mostly new. The wiring probably needs > attention and there are a couple of items that Dale recommended that I do. > > Plans for Tigger? Even in the desert’s heat, Tigger will be at home and will > be my daily driver. Since Tigger is a soft-top, it will be difficult in > August but I don’t use Discovery’s A/C even on the hottest days unless someone > else is with me. Now, I don’t have that option! The sides are already rolled > up and I’m not sure when they’ll be down again. I guess that will be when the > monsoons hit in the late summer. > > Hope I didn’t bore anyone but it was my first long-distance journey in a > Series vehicle ! The split was about 513 miles on Friday and 845 on Saturday. > The most amazing thing is that Automap showed the mileage as 1358 and you can > see that the Garmin recorded the miles as 1358.8. I’m sure it is a *****Message length exceeds limit (200 lines). *****13 lines edited out.******* ------------------------------------ From: Dale Avery Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 20:34:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Tom Walsh! SIII? GElam30092 wrote: > > Tom... Dale gave me several repair manuals that covers Series vehicles. When > I got home, I realized that I already have one or two of them. > > Pay the postage and I'll pass my duplicates on to you if Dale has no > objectives! > > <> > > Do a 859 mile day and your hands will shake themselves! I did notice that my > hearing suffered a bit too. Two clerks had to repeat themselves on Saturday. > It was probably more radio induced that LR-induced. > > Let me know regarding the books and I'll get them out to you. Need your > address if you're interested. > Gerry Elam > PHX AZ I have no problems with such a deal. Like to see them continue to be used. DAle ------------------------------------ From: Dale Avery Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 20:32:31 -0700 Subject: Re: The disease turns chronic Tom Walsh wrote: > > Today the disease went full blown into its next phase! > > I now own a 1973 series III! > I towed it home behind the F250, although it is perfectly capable of > making the journey on its own! > It is John Sheltons series ( or was )... it is cute little bugger. It > is topless for the time being! > > I took it out for a test spin when I got it home, pretty cool ( well > actually damn cold, as I live at 3000 ft and the sun had set. ) > > TomW Ah, another case of the dreaded "Nick Baggerly" disease. Totally uncureable, poor lad. Dale ------------------------------------ From: M Saghafi & C deGuzman Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 20:54:07 -0700 Subject: Re: more SIII (tapping) Kelly Minnick wrote: > Was it tapping before the spark plug wire thing or after before. That's why I was trying to adjust the valves. > I had a friend adjust his valves when the cam was 180 out. The engine is idling fine. When the rpm goes high you can hear the tapping. It may not be the valve, because it is not become very rapid as the rpm goes up to a few thousand.However you can hear few taps in a interval repeating itself at higher rpm. Nothing at base idle. > When the engine diesels (mainly 8.0:1 heads), it loads the > adjuster backwards, putting full valve train loads on the adjuster. The > 'new' adjuster style helps this problem, but doesn't solve it. Check > everything else before this (i.e. position of the dist versus TDC on the > pointer and cam lift...) Write me if you need more info. Later, > can you tell me more. I am very new to valve train, etc. Thanks mehdi ps There is no loss of power and the engine is fine with the exception of tapping. ------------------------------------ From: Jeremy Bartlett Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 21:19:54 -0700 Subject: Dale! ABS Reply was Re: Jeremy! ABS question Dale Avery wrote: > I've got an intermittant ABS light. It goes on when I start then > usually goes out again, once it stayed on for the entire time I was > driving... First, and my apologies if this seems insultingly basic, Rover ABS lightsare different than some "lesser manufacturers" :) , they remain on after start up until the vehicle speed exceeds about 5mph. I'm assuming this is not the problem but thought I'd mention it just in case (maybe I'm overly sensitive to dealing with folks that know their vehicles even less than me :) ). If there's a real problem I believe the ABS light should always be on until the codes are pulled and reset so I suspect there's nothing major going on. The easiest way to trouble shoot it is to pull the codes :) (you didn't say what year BTW) On a true intermittent problem I'd check connections loose first, especially if the brakes feel fine. The sensors are probably OK so I'd focus on the wiring harness (relays??). It pays to have the ETM manual for your year for this. cheers Jeremy ------------------------------------ From: Jeremy Bartlett Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 21:10:32 -0700 Subject: Re: I'm visiting SFO Ron Beckett wrote: > >Hmmm... maybe we can find some Kiwis :) > No, it's OK! I mean to say, I'll be putting up with a pile of Americans! > 8-) Well, if you consider Californians Americans :)... of course some of usdon't even have US passports :) > >Around here good wine and beer are hard to avoid. > I'm yours! Hopefully we can arrange a pub meeting during the week. I'm sure we can find somewhere with Bud Lite on tap :) cheers Jeremy ------------------------------------ From: Jeremy Bartlett Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 21:10:32 -0700 Subject: Re: I'm visiting SFO Ron Beckett wrote: > >Hmmm... maybe we can find some Kiwis :) > No, it's OK! I mean to say, I'll be putting up with a pile of Americans! > 8-) Well, if you consider Californians Americans :)... of course some of usdon't even have US passports :) > >Around here good wine and beer are hard to avoid. > I'm yours! Hopefully we can arrange a pub meeting during the week. I'm sure we can find somewhere with Bud Lite on tap :) cheers Jeremy ------------------------------------ From: "Tom Walsh" Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 23:09:27 +0000 Subject: Re: Tom Walsh! SIII? Well, sign me up for em... It may be a week or two till I can ship em out.... as I shouldn't have bought the buggar but couldn't resist ( and more importantly.... I was able to convince Sara!!! fortunately I found we were a little better at paying our quarterly taxes... that and buying the house reduced our tax bill by one series III :) TomW > GElam30092 wrote: > > > > Tom... Dale gave me several repair manuals that covers Series vehicles. When > > I got home, I realized that I already have one or two of them. > > > > Pay the postage and I'll pass my duplicates on to you if Dale has no > > objectives! > > > > <> > > > > Do a 859 mile day and your hands will shake themselves! I did notice that my > > hearing suffered a bit too. Two clerks had to repeat themselves on Saturday. > > It was probably more radio induced that LR-induced. > > > > Let me know regarding the books and I'll get them out to you. Need your > > address if you're interested. > > Gerry Elam > > PHX AZ > > I have no problems with such a deal. Like to see them continue to be > used. > > DAle > > ---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------* Fluent Networks "Intelligent Networking Solutions" tomw@best.com 95 LR Disco "The Light Brigade" http://www.fluentnet.com my driveway meets or exceeds the APL GL-5, DOT 4 and 10w30 specs :) *---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------* ------------------------------------ From: "Tom Walsh" Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 23:09:27 +0000 Subject: Re: Tom's driveway > > Pre-SIII purchase: > "my driveway meets or exceeds the APL GL-5, DOT 4 and 10w30 specs" > > Post-SIII purchase: > "my driveway now qualifies for Federal SuperFund Site status" > > Cheers, good luck, and enjoy! Keep in mind, water flows down hill, and I'm on the top of the world up here:) So you can tell what components I have been working on by the flavor of your water :) Really I'm only kidding... I try to put it all in appropriate containers etc... TomW > > > ---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------* Fluent Networks "Intelligent Networking Solutions" tomw@best.com 95 LR Disco "The Light Brigade" http://www.fluentnet.com my driveway meets or exceeds the APL GL-5, DOT 4 and 10w30 specs :) *---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------* ------------------------------------ From: "Tom Walsh" Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 23:09:27 +0000 Subject: Re: Brass Nuts & other things > > Which brings up the point....ARB or a brush guard???? Can one use the > ARB bull bar and rear bumper as a lift point for a HiLift jack?? Brush gard = foofoo ARB = stout, and yes you can hi lift off it. > > One last question. Best winch for either ARB bumper or otherwise???? I am happy with my warn 9000 TomW > > > Dale & Otter > Happily at home with SWMBO > > ---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------* Fluent Networks "Intelligent Networking Solutions" tomw@best.com 95 LR Disco "The Light Brigade" http://www.fluentnet.com my driveway meets or exceeds the APL GL-5, DOT 4 and 10w30 specs :) *---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------* ------------------------------------ From: "Tom Walsh" Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 23:09:27 +0000 Subject: Re: Jeremy! ABS question > Jeremy, > > I've got an intermittant ABS light. It goes on when I start then > usually goes out again, once it stayed on for the entire time I was > driving...How does one trouble shoot this?? check where the ABS sensors go into the top of the swivel ball in front and the similar spot on the rears. the bushings and sensors tend to back out a bit... this will give the ABS computer fits ( as it will sense differnt speeds ( if any ) from each wheel... eventually it will realize the reading are eroneous do to the variances, and go into fault mode.... ), solution ... push them back in.. or get a new ABS bushing, and reseat it all. After that you need testbook to read the NVRAM memory that stores the fault codes. TomW > > Tnx for any suggestions, > > Dale > > ---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------* Fluent Networks "Intelligent Networking Solutions" tomw@best.com 95 LR Disco "The Light Brigade" http://www.fluentnet.com my driveway meets or exceeds the APL GL-5, DOT 4 and 10w30 specs :) *---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------* ------------------------------------ From: "Tom Walsh" Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 23:09:27 +0000 Subject: Re: Brass Nuts & other things Oh yeah! Granny, send the limericks! Also where were you when we called from willits after the Nur Dum? TomW > Granville Pool wrote: > > > > Exhausters, > > > > The discussion about brass nuts reminds me; I know a limmerick about them. > > If anyone's interested, I'll send (but won't post on the list, at least not > > intentionally!). > > > > Cheers, > > > > Granny > > Granny, send the limerick my way. I love em! > > BTW, made it home today with the new (to me) RR. Drove it 1,450 miles > in two days; 905 miles the first, the rest today. Like all used > vehicles, there are a number of problems that I'll have to get on. The > two worst are RUST and an intermittant ABS light. > > The trip back was interesting. Weather was continuously changing from > puff-ball clouds and blue skies to cold, gray clouds skudding across the > landscape. I drove through everything from light mists to an incredible > snowstorm (as I crossed the Continnental Divide near Butte, MT, where > else?). Near Deerlodge MT I felt like I was driving down a cloud. The > sun had been out on the roadway for about 15 minutes, and a light haze > or fog was lifting off the road! Incredibly beautiful in the sunlight, > and totally impossible to describe adequately. > > The Rover runs like a dream, actually will have to get used to doing 80 > mph+ in a Rover! It was had to hold down to 75 while in MT. Love that > state. It is a little boggy, however, going up the passes. The > transmission wouldn't drop down into 3rd gear until around 1800 rpms or > around 50 mph, then would pull like a tiger up to 65 mph, and pop into > 4th gear and the process started all over again. I finally would just > pull the shifter back into 3rd a 50 mph and hold it at 50-55 until I > got over the pass(es). > > The Rust is a big problem on the back hatch above the tailgate. In fact > I need a new one. anyone know of a wrecker yard I can contact about > this? There is additional rust fore and aft which will require a lot of > sanding, priming and repainting. > > Which brings up the point....ARB or a brush guard???? Can one use the > ARB bull bar and rear bumper as a lift point for a HiLift jack?? My jack > is pretty useless otherwise. So I'm trying to decide that once I have > the bumpers off, should I go all the way with the ARB's, OME HD > suspension, etc. as I redo the vehicle, or just stay pretty stock with > brush bars and MD springs. I do have to replace the springs BTW. > > My son presently is driving around in "Otter" with his girlfriend. It's > "Way cool" or "Fly" or something like that. He's stuck on the power > seats. > > So it's back in the garage and under another Rover for me for the > summer. > > One last question. Best winch for either ARB bumper or otherwise???? > > > Dale & Otter > Happily at home with SWMBO > > ---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------* Fluent Networks "Intelligent Networking Solutions" tomw@best.com 95 LR Disco "The Light Brigade" http://www.fluentnet.com my driveway meets or exceeds the APL GL-5, DOT 4 and 10w30 specs :) *---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------* ------------------------------------ From: "Tom Walsh" Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 23:09:27 +0000 Subject: Re: The disease turns chronic > Tom Walsh wrote: > > > I now own a 1973 series III! > Congratulations on your start down the path of ruin... when do the mods > start? :) Oooh! she'll kill me! But it needs new tires and front shocks, I guess I'll get military shackles ( err.... how much and where? I feel like such a newbie! ), then put the Mud Rovers from the Lt brigade on and then get some 34" super swampers for the light Brigade to keep it from getting jelous! Will any of my ( wide array of ) old Man Emu or Rancho 9017's hanging around in the cellar fit the front of the poor beastie? TomW > > cheers > > Jeremy > ---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------* Fluent Networks "Intelligent Networking Solutions" tomw@best.com 95 LR Disco "The Light Brigade" http://www.fluentnet.com my driveway meets or exceeds the APL GL-5, DOT 4 and 10w30 specs :) *---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------* ------------------------------------ From: "Rick Larson" Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 00:16:40 -0700 Subject: Stop Cross Posting (was: Re: The disease turns chronic) Tom, Now that you are a Series owner and a Disco owner you have to be much more careful with your posts. While it is fine to post a message discussing both to the very liberal mendo_recce list, it is quite offensive to post any Series content on RRO. It should be directed to LRO. The converse is considered sacrilege. Just don't even think about a coiler related comment on LRO. Oh, and stay away from the D90 list till you get one of those too! Apparently D110's are allowed on the D90 list, so that may be an option should you find your disease taking a turn for the worse.:) Get your lists straight! Anyway, Congratulations on the SIII Tom! Your post just happen to be a convenient target. I'm *not* trying to single you out as a particularly bad offender or anything. IMHO, cross posting in general is starting to get a bit out of hand again. Just want to request that everyone think twice before they post to multiple mailing lists. Thanks, and forgive this one cross post. To anyone who is, for whatever reason, offended by this post and/or just feels the need to respond. Please reply directly to me or pick your favorite list to flame me in public. This topic just isn't worth continuing on the 3 lists simultaneously. -Rick (apprentice email-list Nazi and TTC wan-a-be) -- Richard Larson MIPS Technology Inc., rlarson@mti.sgi.com Silicon Graphics Corp. (650) 933-7665 ------------------------------------ From: "Tom Walsh" Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 01:11:50 +0000 Subject: Re: Stop Cross Posting (was: Re: The disease turns chronic) hey sorry, thats what the delete key is for! I will only ( and usually only do ) cross post when necesary, PS: why did you feel it necesary to send this to the D90 list I have never ever posted anything to that list? ( until now! ), Ill go back and check to see if I mistakenly have... if so sorry... ( I have only lurked there under a different E-maill address but never posted :) I can understand RRO and Mendo.... I started the thread which was just supposed to be an anouncement ( hey I was psyched )... I should have known it would cause some banter back and forth clogging up mail boxes. TomW > Tom, > > Now that you are a Series owner and a Disco owner you have to be > much more careful with your posts. While it is fine to post a ---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------* Fluent Networks "Intelligent Networking Solutions" tomw@best.com 95 LR Disco "The Light Brigade" http://www.fluentnet.com my driveway meets or exceeds the APL GL-5, DOT 4 and 10w30 specs :) *---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------* ------------------------------------ From: "Tom Walsh" Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 01:36:18 +0000 Subject: Re: MTN Bikes & The Lodge & Covelo area > It is time for me to get off my arse and do something "Mendo" (First, I > should probably join NCRC). I'll do what I can to coordinate things for the > N-A-R trip. The logistics are usually daunting...first we need to get > someone to housesit and feed the menagerie, second I need to get myself off > the call schedule for those dates. Do Lazy/Noisy/Crazy-Buggers mind dogs on > the trip? We have 2 well-trained German Shepheards that are Rover-loving > rovers. > I have no problems with it ( I used to have two German Shepards also, and probably may get one in the near future ( ex-girlfriend took the dogs I got the cats, I was at a startup and well, you don't have to walk a cat every day! ) ) > Lucky you. Our boys are ages 4 and 7. They will affecting our schedules for > a few years yet (just you wait Tom Walsh, and all the other "D.I.N.K."s on > the list...you'll see). One of these days! no more Landrover toys ( well OK not as many Landrover toys ) PS: in another E-mail you said I was an EMT.... I definately am NOT an EMT, 1st responder maybe ( up to giving O2 etc... )... I am rusty at that! Sara ( my wife ) just joined the Los Cumbres fire Dept. I was going to but I don't have the time this year ( 300 hours of training! ) I will watch her for a year and see how it evolves... maybe we will switch each year? Also we should bike, since we sorta right down the street from each other, that way you can tape me up if I wipe out! TomW > ---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------* Fluent Networks "Intelligent Networking Solutions" tomw@best.com 95 LR Disco "The Light Brigade" http://www.fluentnet.com my driveway meets or exceeds the APL GL-5, DOT 4 and 10w30 specs :) *---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------* ------------------------------------ End of Digest