From: mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us Subject: Digest for Mendo_Recce: 7/27/1995 Errors-To: owner-mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us Reply-To: mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us Precedence: bulk This is the digest for the mendo_recce Land Rover mailling list ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 06:06:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Russell Subject: Friday Night East Bay Convoy Anyone wanting to meet up with Jimmy P and myself at the Berkeley REI for about a 7:30 pm departure, let us know so we don't leave without you. Jim Russell ==== jrussell@netcom.com (Seattle -- San Francisco) ------------------------------------ From: "Dale W. Avery" Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 06:08:01 +1100 Subject: Re: Superwinch O.D. from BP I called Steve at BP a couple of weeks ago, and I THINK he said $630 for a Superwinch OD...that $50 less than what you've been told. When I said WOW, he said that he really wanted to be competitive...if that price (I'm going deaf - a sure sign of male menopause) was right, he is getting very competitive indeed. When SWMBO allows me rights to the plastic, I'm calling back and ordering one. Dale Avery ------------------------------------ From: "Kerner, Robert" Subject: Lost Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 08:17:00 PDT Ok I feel stupid. I have been cleaning up my PC for the whole week and some how lost the numbers of the people that had offered me help unload the truck in Davis. I do remember John and Mike offered. So if you could email me today with your numbers I would still really appreciate the help. We should be up in Davis on the 6th either in the morning or early afternoon depending how much driving we do on Saturday, so I was going to call on the Cell phone when we started getting close. Also If anyone wants to contact me before the move I am at (310) 915-6510. Our new address is 525 Alvarado Ave Davis Ca 95616. (916)750-0437. I won't make it to Paradise, I have way too much packing to do with only one week to go. I'll take the rover out so as to distract Joe Lucas from your event. -Rob Kerner No More Email after tomorrow :( id IAA08408; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 08:34:12 -0700 ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 08:34:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Walter C. Swain" X-Sender: wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us ------------------------------------ Subject: Re: D110s, Dormobile Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 26 Jul 1995, Benjamin Allan Smith wrote: > I got the recent (July) ABP _Roverlog_ in the mail yesterday. I thought > the vehicles listed for sale was interesting. (Forgive me if someone has > already posted this....) > > 4 '93 Defender 110s ($39.5k, $48k, $44k and $48k with listed mileages of > (in order) 19k,21k,23k,25k. > 1 '85 Land Rover 110 that is supposedly California legal > 1 '64 Dormobile (in Illinois) (How many owners does that Dormobile have by now > Jeremey) > 1 US D90 for an unknown price. > > Wow almost 1% of the D110s for sale in the same issue. Maybe the > price will come down sooner than later :-) Hi Ben, Is there any additional info on the '85 110? Price, RHD/LHD, condition, miles, # doors, engine, etc? It's not a Dormobile, is it? Walt = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Walter C. Swain | wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us Davis Community Network | Davis, California | 1967 109 Series IIA Safari SW ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 08:34:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Walter C. Swain" Subject: Re: D110s, Dormobile On Wed, 26 Jul 1995, Benjamin Allan Smith wrote: > I got the recent (July) ABP _Roverlog_ in the mail yesterday. I thought > the vehicles listed for sale was interesting. (Forgive me if someone has > already posted this....) > > 4 '93 Defender 110s ($39.5k, $48k, $44k and $48k with listed mileages of > (in order) 19k,21k,23k,25k. > 1 '85 Land Rover 110 that is supposedly California legal > 1 '64 Dormobile (in Illinois) (How many owners does that Dormobile have by now > Jeremey) > 1 US D90 for an unknown price. > > Wow almost 1% of the D110s for sale in the same issue. Maybe the > price will come down sooner than later :-) Hi Ben, Is there any additional info on the '85 110? Price, RHD/LHD, condition, miles, # doors, engine, etc? It's not a Dormobile, is it? Walt = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Walter C. Swain | wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us Davis Community Network | Davis, California | 1967 109 Series IIA Safari SW ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 09:08:55 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Re: C'ya in Paradise All: I'm back on line but don't know for how long. It seems to be a problem with the phone lines at Pacific Internet. Messages to and from Redwood Free-net also route through Pacific Internet so I'm not sure that's any more reliable. I plan to come up Friday P.M., hopefully all in the daylight. Seems that my path will cross that of others at Marysville so I might cruise up and down Hwy 70 a little to see if I spot any others. Nick, Thanks for the advice: > Granville, If you plan on getting your vehicle smogged in > the near future you might want to simply drive it to > Paradise and take your chances. I just received a expired[...snip] > > So, from my experience you are probably only risking $10 in > the off-chance that you are pulled over. However, I'm still held captive with my Rover's carb off. Hopefully, all will come together today. Otherwise, I'll just have to drive my Dodge because I've run out of time to fiddle, like switching carbs and/or manifolds, etc. Just don't feel up to it at this point. Pray for me. Granny ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 09:15:00 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Re: Okay, I can play... Gerry sez: >I'm sure now of several things including my crew list for the "Pair O Dice >Lost, Rover, not at Rallye" by Joseph Lucas. The crew for Gooey will be >the Weasel & me and no Lilly (she's in Tokyo for the weekend). However >Gooey's PO, Bill Howell, has deigned to risk the mosquito hazards for this >outing providing that he will not be required to get his Nikes muddy pushing >some piece of British craftsmanship out of some mire or snow bank. Ah, Gerry, this is good; I'll see Bill again! Maybe I'll see you in Marysville or somewhere else along the way (8^| BTW, it looks like I've got Monday off and so, although I'm not able to get there early, as I'd hoped, at least maybe I'll be able to stay late! Cheers, Granny ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 09:32:25 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Re: D110s, Dormobile Walt asked: >Is there any additional info on the '85 110? Price, RHD/LHD, condition, >miles, # doors, engine, etc? It's not a Dormobile, is it? I don't have the Roverlog here at work but remember the most important feature, Walt: The telephone number of the owner is 408 area code, so somewhere around San Jose, eh? Seems to me that is was low miles and has the 3.5-liter V-8. As far as I can recall, there was no mention of a Dormobile top. Maybe he figured that's a given, considering that it's in N. Cal? Sorry we won't be seeing you at Philbrick. Cheers, Granny ------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 08:50:02 -0800 From: jfhess@ucdavis.edu (John Hess) Subject: Re: D110s, Dormobile >> 1 '85 Land Rover 110 that is supposedly California legal >Is there any additional info on the '85 110? Price, RHD/LHD, condition, > Walter C. Swain | wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us walt and others, the 85 is not a mistake. I found out about it's existence awhile ago. Essentially range rover running gear with 110 looks is how it was described. I don't know if that implies conversion or what. I don't know # of doors but I heard it was left hand drive. condition was stated as perfect or pristine or someother synomym for excellent. price in rover log is 25K. phone number is 510 area code. I also heard that the vehicle was involved in a legal squabble and is very ca legal but probably with dmv being pissed. Now, if you could import 110s and show up at the referee station and claim its just an ugly range rover, would that fly? Sure you'ld need the right emissions stuff AND with a newer car DOT regulations could come into play but I'd like to hear the real truth. Cheers. PS I have the rover log at home, not here at work. John F. Hess, PhD Phone me 916 752 8420 Dept of Cell Bio. and Hum. Anat. FAX me (ask first) University of Calif Davis, CA Email me jfhess@ucdavis.edu ------------------------------------ From: DANCSC@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 12:49:05 -0400 Subject: i'm back! well, i have been in exile, but some how, the Gods have returned me to the saintly status of the netted... it's great to be back, and I appreciate the Hero's Welcome. would it be possible for me to somehow scoop all the mail that's come through here since Saturday? if there is a way could someone let me know? I need to catch up before I leave tomorrow. thank you and boy did I miss all you guys, danarosa here's some stuff I sent during the week... fellow rednecks, I sent this message yesterday, but got it back this morning, which explains why I heard so little chatter on the ol' box yesterday. (partially). Got my gastank back yesterday. we're looking good. Tell me I was thinking how taboo is it too invite a friend with a CJ? yesterday I was feeling like Rover Snobbery was silly, it should be 4XSnobbery. so long as the vehicle can make it where the rest of America can't go (save for on foot) then we are all brethren, and when I had this revelation, I thought it might be nice to invite a friend of mine whom I wasn't even considering to invite, simply because he owns the American Facsimile of the Land Rover... I will respect everyone's opinion, as I am the (a)new kid on this block. (he has a compressor on board) please let me know what you all think. and now, yesterday's news..... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------ Subject: The Great Rover Highroad Hello Red Necked Rover Owners, Danarosa here, and I was wondering... I was thinking of heading up to Paradise on Friday day... is anyone else planning to do this? If so, perhaps we could travel in unison hmmmm? Also, I am hearing chatter about Range Rovers going to paradise this weekend, and would that be acceptable? I for one would love to see a Range Rover off of the pavement for once, so please, bring as many Range Rovers as can be conjured ya? I will bring my hammer for any needed repairs,( ie. to tangle with the shrubbery, as I did with Granville a few saturdays ago.) and I can also bring some drab spraypaint to cover any unsightly scratches. :-) -- Michael Carradine, thanks for the tip about getting in on the used loanerRovers, I had not considered this angle,and will work very hard to beenefit from your idea, again thank you.-- Morgan, if you are still around, from where will you be leaving at around 11am on Friday? perhaps I could meet you then? I will be bringing a friend's camera, and would like to do a little piece for Alan over at LRW about this weekend's events. oh, Granville, I've been thinking... when at Granville's Rover Emporium of Deadwood, I spotted a few wings lying about the yard, and was wondering, what might be involved in aquiring a passenger side front wing for MY Rover? Just putting it out there, in fact, anyone with a straight wing can get in on this one so long as the price is not in the Ludicrous range ( anything under 25,000 dollars seems fair to me...) Just asking, I keep having problems with feeling like hammering the old wing out, it seems that I get one screw undone, and then elect to spend my afternoon swilling Guinness instead, usually after a few Guinness I find that the wing looks fine! I think I am sort of clear on how to get there, I was thinking 12 to 80 to 5 to 99? is this the logical trip from Rosa? is there a prettier route with a reasonably comparable mileage? Morgan, if you are here, I think I have lost Matt of Napa's number (Francis) is he planning to bring his Green Machine? have you heard weather or not he solved his "ticking" problem? to hear him tell it, it is not a "ticking" but more a "kabooming". I hope he has solved whatever his motor ailment and will be able to join us. I also am curious to see if Glen(pack rat) of benecia has resolved his cooling problem. I was thinking, it might be nice to see a rover 3500 out there as well. Granville, are you smogged? what's this about a shindig at Uncle Roger's house? I'll have to meet Uncle Roger. Any excuse for a shindig is a good excuse for a shindig. I suppose I should get back to my gig. The Nazi's at Nor Cal metal stripping still have my fuel tank, I have the feed tube jammed down a little plastic gas tank, not cool, I've got a $3 range. NEVER TAKE ANYTHING TO NOR CAL METAL STRIPPING!!! THAT GUY IS AN A*& HOLE. when trying to get information from me we nearly came to blows, (or a screw driver in the heart) basically he says, "I'll have your tank ready when it's ready, I don't care how inconvenient this is for you, and should I call you when it's ready or would you like me to just chuck your stupid tank over the fence when it's finished?" I was not impressed with his customer service department. that's all for now. looking forward to meeting you all this weekend. dan of rosa ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa--also, i said... ben says, > (Which is why I was expecting >Range Rover 4.0 SEs this year.) Maybe Camel has changed. I think that would be nice to see. the 4.0 is a pretty truck, sure would like to see it climbing trees, but nothing looks more brutish in the woods than one of defenders. to impress me, the truck should be at least as stout as the beer I drink. danarosa ps. disco and RR owners, please don't take offense. for me it(the defender thing) is a matter of principle based on traditional values. danarosa hope this is not all out dated or boring ya? see you all soon. dan ------------------------------------ From: "Dale W. Avery" Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 09:48:59 +1100 Subject: Re: C'ya in Paradise Granville, got your message through the net O.K. so you're making it out... you ask, > Pray for me. > O.K, so here goes.... "Oh, Joe Lucas, Master of all things menial, allow this most deserving of your servants the opportunity to go out and play. Granville is a most humble devotee, spending hours at a time on his knees and on his back, arms out-stretched, with fingers dirty and knuckles bloodied, reverently redoing what Thou hast undone. Oh, Joe, unchaim this man from his desk, let him bounce gayly amongst the rocks and trees crumpling DanaRosa's fenders, and munching Jeremy's salsa, drinking Roger's British beer, and telling lies around the evening campfires, sharing with the Faithful all forms of Lucasisms.... With failed electronics in hand, and a curse under our breaths, we beseech you, Oh King of Confusion LET THIS MAN PLAY! Amen" Think that will help? Dale ------------------------------------ From: UncleBrad@aol.com Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 16:13:26 -0400 Cc: lro@team.net ------------------------------------ Subject: Rover for sale I was up at Scottys (in the SF Bay Area) yesterday and there in the driveway was a beautiful series III 88! It is painted dark green (original color was red) and sits real proud on a set of new tires (16", I think). Someone had taken it up to Scotty to check out before buying. Smart move. As it turns out, this cutie has a severely tweaked frame. You can get behind it and draw an imaginary line forward from each rear wheel. The front wheels are about 4" out of line! You might ask whether the rear axle casing is merely shifted on the springs due to loose u-bolts, but the answer is no. An inspection will show ripples on the frame as further confirmation that she's bumped something pretty hard. The new galvanized rear crossmember is possibly the replacement of a bashed-in old one. So if you run across this sweet-looking Rover, beware that she isn't worth the $7,000 that her owner is asking. After you figure in the cost of replacing a complete frame, you might want to offer something more like $2,000. That would be worth it, eh? See ya! Brad Blevins ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 10:02:19 -0700 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Re: C'ya in Paradise You wrote: > >Granville, got your message through the net O.K. so you're making it >out... > >you ask, > >> Pray for me. >> >O.K, so here goes.... > >"Oh, Joe Lucas, Master of all things menial, snip >Amen" > >Think that will help? > >Dale > I thought the proper invocation was: "LET THERE BE DARKNESS" Cheers, Jeremy P.S. Am I bringing salsa??? ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 10:05:59 -0700 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Re: D110s, Dormobile You wrote: > >On Wed, 26 Jul 1995, Benjamin Allan Smith wrote: > >> 1 '85 Land Rover 110 that is supposedly California legal >> 1 '64 Dormobile (in Illinois) (How many owners does that Dormobile have by now >> Jeremey) >Hi Ben, > >Is there any additional info on the '85 110? Price, RHD/LHD, condition, >miles, # doors, engine, etc? It's not a Dormobile, is it? > >Walt It will be :) Cheers, Jeremy D90 '94 SIIA 109SW '65 (incipient Dormobile?) ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 10:19:48 -0700 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Subject: Green Rover's on line The Green Rover came to life yesterday and is on the road...and got partially loaded for paridise lost. I expect to leave Santa Cruz early Fri morning and want to take a inland route like 99 or some such. Since I didn't think I would make it, I deleted the route directions to the basecamp. Could someone please send me the Paradise lost route directions? I may be able to make Davis by 10ish. I pulled the head that I accidently torqued to disel specs and replaced it with a new head gasket. After careful torquing to proper head specs, I was elated to find that the engine still spun (it froze when overtorqued). I checked the valve lash before readjusting it to see how much thinner the old head gasket got. Valve lash was 26 thousanths. SO the head gasket was 16 thou thinner than it was supposed to be..Yipes! Since I suffer from shipfitters disease I couldn't just do what needed to be done. So I pulled the Rochester, rejetted it and had the linkage arm spot welded to the shaft. The swage was lose and my idle varied by 4 or 5 hundred RPM at idle. The old jet was a #56 and I replaced it with a #48. I have a second new #48 in case anyone needs one. The engine ran very rich with the #56, fouling the plugs everytime I used the choke. Crud built up in the chaimber heads amazingly fast. I needed to be very careful not to give added petrol upon starting. The starting technique will be different with the leaner jet. I haven't quite got it figgured out yet. ANyway, the front end is tighter than I ever remember it being. There is still some shaking at 55ish, but not anywhere near as much. I think its from the large tyres on known bent rims. I haven't properly bled the brakes yet but the pedal is high and firm with good stopping (for a 109). I put about 30 miles on her yesterday afternoon as an initial shakedown. Everything looks OK so far. I brought her home, emptied her out and scrubbed the oil & grease out of the interior back from where I was storing parts and started loading her for Paradise. Since paradise will be a shakedown cruse, I would feel a little better if I were to convoy. Maybe I can meet up with the Domobile group & Brad if he has his carb squared away and can get up in the morning. TeriAnn with radio on CH 7 ------------------------------------ From: LGLarson@aol.com Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 15:29:43 -0400 Subject: no E-mail for 48 hrs Did I miss a payment or offend someone? Was I seen riding in a j**p wrangler or something? I haven't received any LRO list mail in over 48 hrs. I can't just quit cold turkey. I need a LRO list fix. ------------------------------------ From: UncleBrad@aol.com Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 22:28:21 -0400 Cc: mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us ------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Rover for sale Walt Swain wrote: >Thanks for the heads up, Brad. Did you happen to get the license? Yes. 2YER115. I talked to Scotty again after he had done a more thorough inspection of the vehicle. What a mess. The gearbox and the transmission aren't pulled completely together with the bolts that should've done the job although the bolts are tight (something seriously out of alignment there, I expect). The gap is filled with silicone. Apparently the complete front main chassis is pushed back,too. But I said that it was no good already, didn't I? Then there's the small stuff: It needs U-joints badly. She's got some bondo under that great paint. Leaks in rear diff pinion, gearbox(bad leak), tranfer box. Mounts are shot. Rear prop shaft is backwards. Front beam is out of line. The exhaust pipe is held up with bailing wire. I guess that's about it for a visual inspection. With that tranny/engine union like that, I'd really wonder about the running gear on this thing, tho'. See ya! Brad Blevins ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 10:40:52 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Re: C'ya in Paradise Dale beseecheth: >we beseech you, Oh King of Confusion >LET THIS MAN PLAY! > >Amen" > >Think that will help? Bound to; thanks muchly! Granville ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 10:46:15 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: It appears there is a problem, yes? Dan Connor appears to have been dropped from this list--or for whatever reason not getting connected hereto--and so asked me to repost this for him: >From: DANCSC@aol.com >Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 19:56:52 -0400 >Subject: It appears there is a problem, yes? > >granville, I have sent mail to ben, bob and sue, and michael carradine >directly. no response. I have been sending email every day... >I wonder how you are getting my mail, and I am getting yours, but that is >all?, >could you please copy any pertinent mail about this weekend and send it my >way? >I wonder what is wrong? >yes I am going, I am having my generator rebuilt tomorrow afternoon, and then >I should be able to Shock The Monkey, so to speak. >I had some questions for you, let me find them... >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >-------------------------------------------- > Here is a letter I sent, could you please,(you don't have to) chop off >whatever notes may apply to someone else, and forward them, or just copy the >whole thing and send it to the list for me? If I don't hear from anyone >tomorrow, I'll resort to the Phone. >thanks for your help Granville, maybe if you head out on Friday, I could meet >you along the way... :-) >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >------------------------------------------------- >fellow rednecks, >I sent this message yesterday, but got it back this morning, which explains >why I heard so little chatter on the ol' box yesterday. (partially). Got my >gastank back yesterday. we're looking good. Tell me I was thinking how taboo >is it too invite a friend with a CJ? >yesterday I was feeling like Rover Snobbery was silly, it should be >4XSnobbery. so long as the vehicle can make it where the rest of America >can't go (save for on foot) then we are all brethren, and when I had this >revelation, I thought it might be nice to invite a friend of mine whom I >wasn't even considering to invite, simply because he owns the American >Facsimile of the Land Rover... I will respect everyone's opinion, as I am the >(a)new kid on this block. (he has a compressor on board) >please let me know what you all think. >and now, yesterday's news..... > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >------------------------------------------------- >Subject: The Great Rover Highroad > >Hello Red Necked Rover Owners, > Danarosa here, and I was wondering... I was thinking of heading up to >Paradise on Friday day... is anyone else planning to do this? If so, perhaps >we could travel in unison hmmmm? > Also, I am hearing chatter about Range Rovers going to paradise this >weekend, and would that be acceptable? > I for one would love to see a Range Rover off of the pavement for once, so >please, bring as many Range Rovers as can be conjured ya? > I will bring my hammer for any needed repairs,( ie. to tangle with the >shrubbery, as I did with Granville a few saturdays ago.) and I can also bring >some drab spraypaint to cover any unsightly scratches. :-) > >-- Michael Carradine, thanks for the tip about getting in on the used >loanerRovers, I had not considered this angle,and will work very hard to >beenefit from your idea, again thank you.-- > >Morgan, if you are still around, from where will you be leaving at around >11am on Friday? perhaps I could meet you then? > I will be bringing a friend's camera, and would like to do a little piece >for Alan over at LRW about this weekend's events. > >oh, Granville, I've been thinking... when at Granville's Rover Emporium of >Deadwood, I spotted a few wings lying about the yard, and was wondering, what >might be involved in aquiring a passenger side front wing for MY Rover? Just >putting it out there, in fact, anyone with a straight wing can get in on this >one so long as the price is not in the Ludicrous range ( anything under >25,000 dollars seems fair to me...) > Just asking, I keep having problems with feeling like hammering the old >wing out, it seems that I get one screw undone, and then elect to spend my >afternoon swilling Guinness instead, usually after a few Guinness I find that >the wing looks fine! > >I think I am sort of clear on how to get there, I was thinking 12 to 80 to 5 >to 99? is this the logical trip from Rosa? > is there a prettier route with a reasonably comparable mileage? > >Morgan, if you are here, I think I have lost Matt of Napa's number (Francis) >is he planning to bring his Green Machine? have you heard weather or not he >solved his "ticking" problem? to hear him tell it, it is not a "ticking" but >more a "kabooming". I hope he has solved whatever his motor ailment and will >be able to join us. I also am curious to see if Glen(pack rat) of benecia >has resolved his cooling problem. > >I was thinking, it might be nice to see a rover 3500 out there as well. > >Granville, are you smogged? >what's this about a shindig at Uncle Roger's house? I'll have to meet Uncle >Roger. Any excuse for a shindig is a good excuse for a shindig. > >I suppose I should get back to my gig. The Nazi's at Nor Cal metal stripping >still have my fuel tank, I have the feed tube jammed down a little plastic >gas tank, not cool, I've got a $3 range. NEVER TAKE ANYTHING TO NOR CAL >METAL STRIPPING!!! THAT GUY IS AN A*& HOLE. when trying to get information >from me we nearly came to blows, (or a screw driver in the heart) basically >he says, "I'll have your tank ready when it's ready, I don't care how >inconvenient this is for you, and should I call you when it's ready or would >you like me to just chuck your stupid tank over the fence when it's >finished?" > I was not impressed with his customer service department. > >that's all for now. lloking forward to meeting you all this weekend. >dan of rosa > > ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 10:55:31 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Re: no E-mail for 48 hrs >Did I miss a payment or offend someone? Was I seen riding in a j**p wrangler >or something? I haven't received any LRO list mail in over 48 hrs. I can't >just quit cold turkey. I need a LRO list fix. Rick, Your message got to me via so maybe you're back in business. Dan Connor in Santa Rosa, also connecting via AOL, is having similar problems. One possible cause may be if it's connecting via Netcom as I was told that that system has had some downtime. Will we see you at Paradise Lost? Cheers, Granville B. Pool, Redwood Valley, Alta California Norte, USA Several old Land-Rovers and other semi-collectible vehicles (707)485-7220 Home; (707)463-4265 Work ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 11:00:24 -0700 From: jimmyp@netcom.com (Jimmy Patrick) Subject: Re: C'ya in Paradise Jeremy said: >P.S. Am I bringing salsa??? Jeremy, Jimmy.... Sounds sort of the same. No wonder I'm such a lazy slacker. You been stealing all my contributions. I quit! No more salsa! No more Calendars! No more commemorative windscreen plaques for everyone! (yes Gerry I still have a Yahoo one for you!) I've had it up to my wheel wells and I can't take it anymore. FORGET IT! QUIT! QUIT! I QUIT! Jimmy P.S. See you guys in paradise! -- Jimmy Patrick "Get off your *** and contribute rather than jimmyp@netcom.com being a leech upon others work and efforts." --some anonymous wanker ------------------------------------ From: "Mugele, Gerry" Cc: "'Gpool'" Subject: Didja get my msg? Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 08:56:00 PDT Granny, Did you get my msg regarding the Canadian beer? Well I'll rekey it even if ya did. The Lillypad returned from the trip to visit her ancestors (mommy & daddy) in the Okanogon (British Columbia). She drove up with the Weasel in the Montero (and did not find highways 5 and 97 impassable!) and therefore had adequate room to return importing (Ok..smuggling) some Canadian Micro Brews. She brought me some Sleeman Cream Ale, Okanogon Spring Pale Ale, and (ta...da....) Granville Island Lager. The good news is that she brought a case of each. The bad news (for you anyway) is that my favorite is the lager. If you make it to Philbrook and I show enough restraint you could actually get a chance to imbibe in your own named beer. Yeah I know that you prefer that Guiness 90w stuff but at least you don't need any eating utensils for the lager. 8^D So...should I endeavor to save a bottle or two? Gerry 72 88 -Benjamin Smith ---------------- Science Applications Internation Corporation Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil 1972 Land Rover Series III 88 ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 11:56:03 -0700 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Re: Didja get my msg? Canuck Beer non LR You wrote: > > >Granny, > >Did you get my msg regarding the Canadian beer? Well I'll rekey it even if >ya did. > some Canadian Micro Brews. > She brought me some Sleeman Cream Ale, Eweeew! That's basically a brew for Stroh's who basically own Sleeman and got into the "microbrew" scene that way. Don't care for it myself. Besides it's Ontario brew :) Okanogon Spring Pale Ale, yea, OK but as I recollect more of a cereal taste than the: >(ta...da....) Granville Island Lager. which tends to be hoppier (something about the selection of hops doesn't appeal to me though. >Gerry 72 88 > By the way, Granville Island is in the south center of Vancouver (under the Granville Bridge as I recall!). The brewery is a quick visit in a sort of touristy area. Actually only about a ten minute walk from the LR showroom in the area. Last I saw they had one of the 5 Canadian 110s in there. But I digress as usual. What you really out to track down, of the Granville products, is the Bock (4 packs only). Now thats good stuff. In fact the combined viscosity and octane rating should ween Granville (the person) off the "other stuff" - no not the 90 weight! :) Cheers, Jeremy Sorry, Granville I've only got the labels left! ------------------------------------ From: Kelly Minnick Subject: Re: tools/etc Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 11:44:35 PDT > > > Kelly Minnick said > >I pay about $22 for 5 gallons of 90 wt. But then again, I have two oil > >drippers. Actually, the RR doesn't drip. Is something wrong with it? > > Geez Kelly, do you have EPA authorization to be dumping that much 90w in the > desert? > But seriously (sort of) my ol' Gooey, as gooey as he is, has gone through > (read leaked here) less than 2qts in the last 5 years! Maybe I need to top > everything up again ;-) > > Gerry 72 88 > I've rebuilt 3 transmissions, 1 steering relay, and 2 axle assmbly... That's a lot of oil... Kelly Minnick ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 12:06:11 -0700 From: jhong@haiku.com (John Hong) Subject: Digest broken? I bring Gazpacho! Ben! Help! No rover chatter - life is hollow and meaningless! I'm rolling Friday early am to Paradise! I'll be bringing gazpacho (you know that cold tomaaaatoe drink for Saturday night. Wodka is optional. At 12:00 PM 7/27/95 -0700, mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us wrote: > >This is the digest for the mendo_recce Land Rover mailling list >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > >------------------------------------ >End of Digest > > John Hong Haiku Systems Notes Business Partner Consultant jhong@haiku.com 408-249-8340 mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us ------------------------------------ Subject: Re: D110s, Dormobile Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 12:07:32 -0700 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Walt asked: > Is there any additional info on the '85 110? Price, RHD/LHD, condition, > miles, # doors, engine, etc? It's not a Dormobile, is it? I win, I have the Roverlog at work... " '85 LR 110 County - 3.5L V8-38k Orig. miles. Full Roof rack & ladder. Blue w/Brown interior. Runs and drives exc. Perf. Cond. California Legal. $25,000. Call Tony at 415-726-5155-CA " Ben ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 12:09:37 -0700 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Dingocroft/UK order quotes are in All Dingocroft quotes have now been received. Each individual has a separate quote for their parts. I'll bring copies to Paradise (ETA 9-10 Sat. morning) - so don't take off without me :) Let's aim for two week turnaround. The quotes are only good for 4 weeks. This will give time for BP to counteroffer. Only one known catch so far. I think John Hess's springs etc. are not exactly what's needed given the confusion on type. I'll try to FAX a modification to Dingocroft tonight and hope to get a correction tomorrow morning. Some other parts weren't available as requested and subsitutions have been suggested. Total $ damage if there's minimal reduction of wants looks to be around 6,000 to 7,000 pounds sterling. $10,000!!!! :o I wonder if BP knows what its in for? Maybe we should consider bringing in an excellent condition group-owned 101FC as parts instead! :) Regarding the BP counteroffer. I should be able to get a FAX down to BP tomorrow by simple passing on the Dingocroft copies. The catch is clarity might not be good enough and its going to be the mother of all parts FAXs (10+ pages fine print). We'll see. Cheers, Jeremy Parts is Pieces is Pounds ($) ------------------------------------ From: BobandSueB@aol.com Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 11:43:06 -0400 Subject: wanted used 2 1/4 petrol engine/series air/cond for sale? Anyone know of a, or have a ,good used 2 1/4 petrol eng. for sale? A friend is having rod bearing trouble with a ser ll and rather than mess with hard to get parts we are considering a 2A engine that is good to use without a rebuild right away. In other words engine from 63-newer that might have been removed for chev installation, or from a junk vehicle. Do not need manifolds, gen,etc. Also I posted about an air conditioner in a series vehicle but haven't seen it yet, so here is more. He has a unit in his 1960-88 which he is taking out. I thought it didn't have a part in front of the radiator, but he has that at home out already. the cooler goes where the heater fits and comes through the right side, a part goes on the front roof,there is a compressor on lower left of engine, and receiver/dryer. It has paperwork with it showing it in a Land Rover so it's for the vehicle. Looks like would be good for a 109 especially, of course it's in an 88 right now. He will sell it, maybe to pay or help pay for an engine. Thanks Bob Bernard ------------------------------------ From: DANCSC@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 16:02:25 -0400 Subject: Re: save the D90!jimmy p jimmy p says... > I think it would be great to save the defender, >but I don't know how to do it. > > JIMMY, folks have been telling me the best way to save it is to buy one, so I'll be sending you a check for 30 grand. Watch your mail. :-) dan of rosa ------------------------------------ Subject: Re: no E-mail for 48 hrs Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 13:03:20 -0700 From: Benjamin Allan Smith In message <199507271731.KAA15320@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us>you wrote: > Did I miss a payment or offend someone? Was I seen riding in a j**p wrangler > or something? I haven't received any LRO list mail in over 48 hrs. I can't > just quit cold turkey. I need a LRO list fix. Sigh...Number 3... It seems that the Net Daemons(tm) decided that noone on the list from AOL would get mail. I'll forward the digests for the week in a bit... Ben ------------------------------------ From: DANCSC@aol.com Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 11:47:30 -0400 Subject: Hello? is this thing working? fellow rednecks, I sent this message yesterday, but got it back this morning, which explains why I heard so little chatter on the ol' box yesterday. (partially). Got my gastank back yesterday. we're looking good. Tell me I was thinking how taboo is it too invite a friend with a CJ? yesterday I was feeling like Rover Snobbery was silly, it should be 4XSnobbery. so long as the vehicle can make it where the rest of America can't go (save for on foot) then we are all brethren, and when I had this revelation, I thought it might be nice to invite a friend of mine whom I wasn't even considering to invite, simply because he owns the American Facsimile of the Land Rover... I will respect everyone's opinion, as I am the (a)new kid on this block. (he has a compressor on board) please let me know what you all think. and now, yesterday's news..... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------ Subject: The Great Rover Highroad Hello Red Necked Rover Owners, Danarosa here, and I was wondering... I was thinking of heading up to Paradise on Friday day... is anyone else planning to do this? If so, perhaps we could travel in unison hmmmm? Also, I am hearing chatter about Range Rovers going to paradise this weekend, and would that be acceptable? I for one would love to see a Range Rover off of the pavement for once, so please, bring as many Range Rovers as can be conjured ya? I will bring my hammer for any needed repairs,( ie. to tangle with the shrubbery, as I did with Granville a few saturdays ago.) and I can also bring some drab spraypaint to cover any unsightly scratches. :-) -- Michael Carradine, thanks for the tip about getting in on the used loanerRovers, I had not considered this angle,and will work very hard to beenefit from your idea, again thank you.-- Morgan, if you are still around, from where will you be leaving at around 11am on Friday? perhaps I could meet you then? I will be bringing a friend's camera, and would like to do a little piece for Alan over at LRW about this weekend's events. oh, Granville, I've been thinking... when at Granville's Rover Emporium of Deadwood, I spotted a few wings lying about the yard, and was wondering, what might be involved in aquiring a passenger side front wing for MY Rover? Just putting it out there, in fact, anyone with a straight wing can get in on this one so long as the price is not in the Ludicrous range ( anything under 25,000 dollars seems fair to me...) Just asking, I keep having problems with feeling like hammering the old wing out, it seems that I get one screw undone, and then elect to spend my afternoon swilling Guinness instead, usually after a few Guinness I find that the wing looks fine! I think I am sort of clear on how to get there, I was thinking 12 to 80 to 5 to 99? is this the logical trip from Rosa? is there a prettier route with a reasonably comparable mileage? Morgan, if you are here, I think I have lost Matt of Napa's number (Francis) is he planning to bring his Green Machine? have you heard weather or not he solved his "ticking" problem? to hear him tell it, it is not a "ticking" but more a "kabooming". I hope he has solved whatever his motor ailment and will be able to join us. I also am curious to see if Glen(pack rat) of benecia has resolved his cooling problem. I was thinking, it might be nice to see a rover 3500 out there as well. Granville, are you smogged? what's this about a shindig at Uncle Roger's house? I'll have to meet Uncle Roger. Any excuse for a shindig is a good excuse for a shindig. I suppose I should get back to my gig. The Nazi's at Nor Cal metal stripping still have my fuel tank, I have the feed tube jammed down a little plastic gas tank, not cool, I've got a $3 range. NEVER TAKE ANYTHING TO NOR CAL METAL STRIPPING!!! THAT GUY IS AN A*& HOLE. when trying to get information from me we nearly came to blows, (or a screw driver in the heart) basically he says, "I'll have your tank ready when it's ready, I don't care how inconvenient this is for you, and should I call you when it's ready or would you like me to just chuck your stupid tank over the fence when it's finished?" I was not impressed with his customer service department. that's all for now. lloking forward to meeting you all this weekend. dan of rosa ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa-- ------------------------------------ From: BobandSueB@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 16:21:07 -0400 Subject: Re: Nectar of the Gods (Sustenance in Paradise?) In a message dated 95-07-27 13:01:48 EDT, you write: > >OK, here's what the hesses are planning: we'll greatfully eat other >peoples sausages and contribute a veggie side dish. We'll saute (in plenty >of real butter, yum) onions, mushrooms, zuccinis and anything else that >looks good, then throw in some dried tomatoes we made last year for >sweetness. We will also be bringing the makings for Smores, even though >noone else but us had any at mendocino. > >> John, sounds simply delicious. And, YES to the Smores. This is really coming together!!!! Sue ------------------------------------ From: DANCSC@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 16:21:02 -0400 Subject: Re: wanted used 2 1/4 petrol engine/series air/cond for sale? Bob says, >A friend is having rod bearing trouble with a ser ll and rather than mess >with hard to get parts we are considering a 2A engine that is good to use >without a rebuild right away. is this Matt of Napa's poor old vehicle? You know, that boy has had more trouble... I think I may know a fella with a motor from him... Richard "Clark" lives up in Cazadero, has a bunch of Rovers, reminds me of Granny's place, I think I saw a few engines lying around up there, he may be willing to part with them, he's got a really rough 109 that runs, he might be willing to sell the whole 109 for about 1000 bucks or so, maybe less. he has no phone, and he lives in a VERY remote place in Cazadero, but maybe after the Plost get together I'll take a run up there and leave him a note. He is the guy I bought my first rover from, and it ran great, we'll talk more this weekend. dan of Rosa ------------------------------------ From: BobandSueB@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 16:21:11 -0400 Cc: mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us ------------------------------------ Subject: Paradise Lost Hi Dan, Would prefer to keep this trip Land Rover Owners ONLY, if you don't mind. We are going to have a large enough crowd as it is. Thought I might also mention that this group of LRO's is very Tread Lightly conscious. We do not go off the trail, but stay on 4 wheel drive designated roads only. We hope to be able to show you all some very challenging trails. Please leave your CJ friend at home this time. Thank you. Sue Bernard ------------------------------------ From: BobandSueB@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 16:20:56 -0400 Subject: Re: C'ya in Paradise In a message dated 95-07-27 12:56:16 EDT, you write: > > Question: The directions mention dirt roads for 12.8 miles > NE of Inskip. Do you suppose the boat trailer will have > problems maneuvering these roads at a reasonable speed? > It takes a considerable amount of time to travel 5-10mph for > 12.8 miles on dirt roads with a trailer, not to mention the > wear & tear on the trailer. We'd like to take the boat on > Lake Orville so, if it isn't necessary to bring it to camp, > perhaps I should leave it in Paradise. Is there anywhere I > can lock it up where it would remain accessible? > > Nick, The road in is navigable, but slow, dusty, and in some places bumpy. People pull boat trailers in their to Lake Philbrook all the time, but the boats are small, probably row boat size. If you want you could leave the Zodiak here at our place in Paradise. Our address is 5571 Butte View Terrace. We are 2.6 miles east of the Skyway, off of Pearson Road (which is the first traffic light at the bottom of town). BTW, if you are coming up Hwy 70, you'll want to take Clark Road (191) to Paradise (going over to 99 and up The Skyway, though a beautiful view, is out of the way.) If you come up Clark Road, you'd take a right when you reach Pearson Rd., the first traffic light at the bottom of town, and proceed east 1 1/2 miles to Butte View Terrace. It's a left turn off of Pearson, we're the 3rd house on the left, # is on the mailbox. We'll be leaving here at approximately 11:30am Friday. You're welcome to convoy up with us. Cheers, Sue and Bob ------------------------------------ From: BobandSueB@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 16:24:34 -0400 Subject: Re: Paradise, et al. In a message dated 95-07-27 13:12:06 EDT, you write: > >Sue, yup, the guitar will be making the long journey with me. > >ETA for Paradise Base Camp is about 5-ish on Friday. > Great, see you Friday. Sue ------------------------------------ From: BobandSueB@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 16:28:45 -0400 Subject: Re: no E-mail for 48 hrs We, too, had not received any LC List mail since Sunday or Monday. However, the other mailing lists I'm on were getting through, as were individual messages. We thought there was something wrong with the mendo_recce list. Glad we're up and running, or receiving again. I've spent the last 2 hours reading and responding to e-mail, and this is the last one!!!! Yea. See you all soon, Sue ------------------------------------ From: BobandSueB@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 16:28:30 -0400 Cc: labranch@sybase.com, brabyn@skivs.ski.org ------------------------------------ Subject: Who's Coming to P-Lost Was: Re: Nectar of the Gods (Sustenance in Paradise?) In a message dated 95-07-27 13:02:17 EDT, you write: >Okay, so it's a pot-luck Saturday night. What to bring? How many people? We anticipate approximate 40 people will be attending Paradise Lost, +/- 5 or 10. Participation looks like the following: Bob & Sue Paradise Bruce & Stephanie San Rafael Morgan Hannaford Berkeley Jim Russell San Francisco Jason LaBranch Emerybille Hess Family Davis Gerry Mugele San Francisco Eric & Bridget Angles Camp Jimmy Patrick Los Gatos TeriAnn Wakeman Aptos Geoff Tobin Los Gatos Peter Wong Sunnyvale Roger Sinasohn San Francisco Jeremy Bartlett Berkeley John Hong San Jose Granville Pool Redwood Valley John Brabyn Mill Valley (bringing his 2 sons) Steve Hill Sacramento Richard Gerdes Sacramento Joe & Melynda Bunker San Jose Eric & Ann Mills Concord Henry Nesmith Los Altos Hills Ed King Chico Matt Francis Santa Rosa (riding with Ed King) Dan Connor Santa Rosa Brad & Lynn Blevins Concord (presently having vehicle problems) Rusty Greer ? (possibility) Ben Smith Ridgecrest Kelly Minnick Ridgecrest I'm not positive all these folks are coming, but all have expressed an interest. There may also be some I missed. Did I forget anyone????? We expect 4 D90's, possibly 1 D110, 3 or 4 RR's, and the rest the almighty SERIES Land Rover. Bring your cameras! >There's some really good sausages available at PClub -- Aidell's. The Smoked > >Chicken and Turkey with sundried tomatoes (or something like that) went over >well at the Sierra Club picnic. With buns, toppings and such? (Boil 'em in >a >big pot -- easy!) > >Or, Pasta? Again, not too difficult. Boil the pasta, warm the sauce, toss >in >BBQ'ed chicken breasts...? Roger, Pasta sounds good to me. I believe Goeff Tobin is bringing some really good bread from a bakery in San Luis Obispo. Cheers, Sue ------------------------------------ From: BobandSueB@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 16:28:36 -0400 Cc: mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us ------------------------------------ Subject: Fwd: Paradise Lost Base Camp Jeremy, and anyone else who has a nasty cat, Here are the Paradist Lost Base Camp Directions, again, See you there, Sue --------------------- Forwarded message: ------------------------------------ From: BobandSueB@aol.com Resent-from: daemon@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us ------------------------------------ Date: 95-07-21 20:16:26 EDT --------------------- Forwarded message: ------------------------------------ From: BobandSueB@aol.com Resent-from: daemon@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us CC: labranch@sybase.com ------------------------------------ Date: 95-07-19 22:21:31 EDT The base camp will be on Lassen State Forest land just beyond Lake Philbrook, but just before the Jones Resort (and I use the word *resort* loosely ). The *resort* store is not opening this season due to the short season and storm damage, however, they do have showers we can use for $2. The area is in the trees, lots of grassy area, a small stream nearby, The locations we checked out today are large enough for group gathering, all have fire rings, and are in areas where campfires are allowed with a permit. We have 1 campfire permit (which we got for MNF. Anyone having a campfire permit (Granville ??), bring it along, so that we may have more than one fire, if need be. Directions: From Hwy 99 at Chico, CA take the Paradise exit (Skyway) and head for Paradise. If you are coming north on Hwy 70, come up Hwy 191 (Clark Road) to Paradise. Continue north on Clark Road - it merges with The Skyway (where you'll turn right) at the top of town. Continue up The Skyway to Inskip (approximately 28 miles from the top of town - our odometer doesn't have 10th's) - where the pavement ends and the fun begins. At Inskip, I would suggest that for a softer ride, those vehicles with radial tires might want to air down. We air our Norsemans down to 15psi. On the pre-run, Bruce aired down his 16" radials to 20psi. Otherwise, drive slowly, and *try* : ) to miss the bumps. I must caution you about the owners of the Inskip Inn - they are strange to say the least. They do not like 4 wheelers, so I'd steer clear of the front of their inn. If you are going to air down, you can pull off the dirt road to your right, just as you leave the pavement. >From Inskip it is approximately (our odometer doesn't have 10th's) 10 miles to the base camp. Stay on the dirt road (Skyway) until you get to the first fork in the road (approx. 3 miles) - this is where Skyway goes to the left, and YOU continue straight or slightly to the right. You'll be on Humbug Road. Wind around the road another 2 miles (approx) , til you get to the road to Lake Philbrook (Philbrook Rd). This is a T intersection - turn right onto the pavement (which turns back to dirt), and continue 5 more miles. You'll pass the road to the High Lakes in 2 or so miles (it will be on your left) Continue straight, however, past the PG&E fishing access parking lot, past the Philbrook Camp Site, past the day use area (where you can launch your canoes, etc - and where there is a bathroom), past the private cabins which will be on both sides of the road, and viola, you will reach PARADISE LOST BASE CAMP. There is a small water crossing just before you arrive at BASE CAMP. Nothing to concern yourselves about - just a land mark. Maps: AAA Feather River and Yuba River Regions; and/or Northern California Section maps both show the Lassen National Forest. The Feather River and Yuba River Regions actually shows the road to Lake Philbrook. More later, Cheers, Sue and Bob . ------------------------------------ From: BobandSueB@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 16:17:39 -0400 Subject: Re: Hope I make it!! In a message dated 95-07-27 12:56:38 EDT, you write: > >As to the potluck: I plan to bring a couple (or more, depending on size) >pieces of chateaubrian, tri-tip, or London Broil, or something along those >lines. I will barbecue them and slice them up. I also will be bringing a >heavy-duty barbecue grill which just fits in place of the grille on my >Land-Rover. > > Thank you Granny!!! I was just asking Bob what we could use for a grill. BTW, there are no picnic tables at the camp site, so bring camp tables, folding chairs, what ever is required for your dining pleasure. Looks like the potluck is coming together. Suggest everyone bring something they really like to make to share with the group. You might post the menu item to the list to help avoid duplication, or give other folks an idea. Just a thought. See you all soon!! Sue and Bob ------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Dingocroft/UK order quotes are in Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 13:38:21 -0700 From: Benjamin Allan Smith In message <199507271912.MAA18461@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us>you wrote: > Maybe we should consider bringing in an excellent > condition group-owned 101FC as parts instead! :) Which I would be very happy to store for everyone out here in the desert. :-) Ben ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 14:14:27 -0700 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Subject: Re: Dingocroft/UK order quotes are in In message <199507272036.NAA20947@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us> writes: > In message <199507271912.MAA18461@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us>you wrote: > > > Maybe we should consider bringing in an excellent > > condition group-owned 101FC as parts instead! :) > > Which I would be very happy to store for everyone out here in the > desert. :-) > > Ben I'm still trying to figure out how to import a 101 as a pre-1966 109 cab forward. TeriAnn ------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Dingocroft/UK order quotes are in Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 14:50:48 -0700 From: Benjamin Allan Smith TerriAnn wrote: > I'm still trying to figure out how to import a 101 as a pre-1966 109 cab > forward. Not to rain on anyone's parade, but before you get a 101, I'd suggest finding one and driving it a bit. I took one for a spin about a month ago. Step one, you climb up into the beast, and if you are as big as I am, climbing in is like climing in a childs junglegym. The steering wheel lies flat like in a big truck (which is what you have to climb around). Once in, the engine cover is about as high as the top of the door bottom so you find yourself in a little hole. This was a RHD 101, so for me the end of the gearshift lever was about 2 feet to my left and about at shoulder level. I will say that the V8 has better acceleration than my SIII 88 and a baby could crawl faster than a 101 in first low at idle. Dave Lowe claims that his gas milage is about 12-15mpg, but his odometer is broken. I also recall that the loadbead is about at my chest level (and I'm 6'4" for those of you who don't know me.) And if you every blow a tyre 900/16s aren't exactly cheap new. With that said, I've always been smitten by the 101s. After driving one, I am doublely smitten. I think me having a 101 is something that is ment to be. Now all I have to do is find the $$$ and convince customs and California... Anyone know the rules about kit cars? The 109" FC is a good idea being that they were built from 1962-66 and 3,193 were built. Btw, 101FCs were built from 1972-1978 (almost all after 1975) and 2,624 were built. If the supposed 25 year rule has indeed ben passed, I can legally inport one in 2000. Ben ------------------------------------ From: BobandSueB@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 17:27:25 -0400 Subject: Re: Digest broken? I bring Gazpacho! In a message dated 95-07-27 15:08:15 EDT, you write: > >I'm rolling Friday early am to Paradise! I'll be bringing gazpacho (you >know that cold tomaaaatoe drink for Saturday night. Wodka is optional. John, gazpacho is absolutely one of my favorites!!!!!! And, do you know what goes good with it is a nice cold glass of sangria. Back many years ago I spent a summer in and around Madrid. It was there that I tasted my first gazpacho and my first, really terrific, sangria. So for those who dare to drink other than the bitterest stout, there will be sangria flowing. BTW, how early Friday?? Will you be here by noon to convoy in with us? Can't wait for Saturday night! Sue ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 15:13:51 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Picnic tables Sue and Bob ssid: >BTW, there are no picnic tables at the camp site, so bring camp tables, >folding chairs, what ever is required for your dining pleasure. I have some folding tables I could bring but only if I can find time to put on my expedition roof rack because my tables are too long to fit into the back of an 88" Land-Rover. I'll see what I can do but no promises! Cheers, Granville ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 15:24:35 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Re: Who's Coming to P-Lost Was: Re: Nectar of the Gods (Sustenance in Paradise?) Bob and Sue and all, I'm very excited about some of the names on your participant list who are ones I've looked forward to meeting. Some are on the net with whom I've messaged regularly, like John Brabyn (I've been trying to get him to come along for some time), those that I've either spoken to on the phone or corresponded with, such as Geoff Tobin and Peter Wong (he has a restored Austin Champ that I'd LOVE to see--don't suppose he's bringing that; nah, he'll be driving the Daimler Ferret), and those such as Steve Hill who have been a name on paper but not real. You forgot to add "Discovery" to your list. That's what Rusty Greer has; I hope he makes it! Oh, boy, ohboyohboyohboy.... Granny ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 15:56:05 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: The Snark passed!! All, Whew!! At the eleventh hour, I got the news that the Snark is back together and that it passed smog just fine. I'm going to try to slip away from work a little early, pick up my smog certificate, and hustle down to DMV so I can stand in line 'til hell freezes over, get my registration, then head home to pack and prepare the Snark for heading to P.Lost!!! Greatly relieved, Granville ------------------------------------ From: "Kerner, Robert" Subject: See Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 14:52:00 PDT Check out the stuck 1974 Range Rover on the Four Wheel Drive Web Page. http://www.indirect.com/user/a4x4/4X4.html -Rob ------------------------------------ From: "Mugele, Gerry" Subject: Canuck Beer non LR Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 14:03:00 PDT Jeremy said, referring to Sleeman Cream Ale: >Eweeew! That's basically a brew for Stroh's who basically own Sleeman and got >into the "microbrew" scene that way. Don't care for it myself. Besides it's >Ontario brew :) Well thanks for telling me after the fact...I was going by what she found available...:-) >Okanogon Spring Pale Ale, >yea, OK but as I recollect more of a cereal Yeah, ya know a couple years ago I got some Okanogon Spring Ale and it was MUCH better than the "Pale Ale" and Lillypad was unable to find that. I prefer a malty & hoppier taste (more like Bass) >(ta...da....) Granville Island Lager. >which tends to be hoppier (something about the selection of hops doesn't >appeal to me though. know what you mean but still it's my favorite of the three and bettern' most of what's available in the bay area. >What you really out to track down, of the Granville products, is the Bock (4 packs only). >Now thats good stuff. In fact the combined viscosity and octane rating Probably what I'd like best...I like many bock type beers....Mezcan stuff, Noche Bueno (very hard to find and made near Xmas time) is my favorite from across the other border. So next time...prepare me a list of likely suspects for Lilly to smugg....er....import for me. Gerry ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 19:36:13 +0100 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Torqing (Was: UK parts order) TeriAnn Wakeman writes: >Good golly are a couple of people rebuilding their cars? Or do we all want >different parts? With all these parts adding up to ~$6,000 maybe the list should be reexamined. For $6,000 you can probably buy a few Rovers and scavenge all the parts you need, plus a few to boot! (Just another viewpoint... *:) >If a given torque is good, more must be better and too much is just right! Not really. Being a bit of a brute with a wrench, I tightened the drain plug to my swivel ball (you know the one, the plug with the large head and Oooo-so tiny shaft!) on a Series III. It snapped right off and had to be taken out on the bench. Sometime later I tightened the six bolts to the rear axle at the hub to suddenly find the wrenching becoming easier.... Uh, oh!! I carefully backed out the bolts of fine British Steel (an oxymoron!), and luckily was able to get them out entirely, no broken pieces. Each bolt had a nice swelt figure in profile, a thin waistline so to speak! Luckily I stopped wrenching just in time. From then on, I went strictly by the torque wrench settings (OK, OK, plus 10% just in case of any error!). PS- Pet Peve of the Week! Traffic volume is at an all time high. To make scanning articles easier, could WE make the Subject headers somewhat conform to the contents of the articles??? I won't mention who all (the near majority of persons) is sending numerous replies to original articles generated days (weeks?) ago that have NO resemblance to the current thread content, but..... I could. Michael "Living on the Edge" Carradine cs@crl.com ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 16:17:17 PDT From: rlarson@lsil.com (Rick Larson) Subject: Who is Rick and will he make Paradise? Is LGLarson@aol.com also a Rick Larson? This is too confusing. Well, I'll reply for myself. My problems stem from being too connected these days. Looks I'll be home ISDNing into work on Saturday and dealing with relatives on Sunday. Very slight chance I'll make a run up from Los Gatos to Paradise Friday Night just to see all the Rovers in action. Tough call, career vs LRs. I'd have to return home on Sat. though. Not so tough a call, mother, flying in from Chicago Sunday AM, vs LRs. If I can't make it, and the D90 to Dormobile conversion kit RN is sending out gets here by Sat., I may try and install it. Has anyone else out there done a 3.9 V8 to 2.25 4 cylinder swap? How much time does it take? Any advice? ;-) (Note the smilely. I really have no intention of ruining my very rare, NAS D90, by turning it to one of those all to common Dormobiles.) Hope you all have a great weekend, wish I could make it. -Rick (the rlarson@lsil.com one anyway) >Subject: Re: no E-mail for 48 hrs > >Rick, > >From: LGLarson@aol.com > >Your message got to me via so maybe >you're back in business. Dan Connor in Santa Rosa, also connecting via AOL, >is having similar problems. One possible cause may be if it's connecting >via Netcom as I was told that that system has had some downtime. > >Will we see you at Paradise Lost? > >Cheers, > > >Granville B. Pool, Redwood Valley, Alta California Norte, USA >Several old Land-Rovers and other semi-collectible vehicles > (707)485-7220 Home; (707)463-4265 Work > > Richard Larson LSI Logic Corporation (408) 433-7149 ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 16:45:26 -0700 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Subject: British Pacific online Just to let people know, British Pacific is now online. Their address is: wotta tr@aol.com The log in is from a TR3 license plate. They will probably be contacting Ben to get on the list soon I suspect we will be able to email orders soon. Jeremy, Steve promised a quick turn around on the parts estimate. I'm extreamy interested to see the price comparison. TeriAnn Anyone who has a TR3 and a Land Rover, is OK in my book ------------------------------------ Subject: Re: British Pacific online Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 17:01:08 -0700 From: Benjamin Allan Smith In message <199507272346.QAA26632@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us>you wrote: > Just to let people know, British Pacific is now online. Their address is: > wotta tr@aol.com what is the "wotta" for? Any sendmail program assume that a space is a break in arguments. So a "mail wotta tr@aolcom" will send the same message to user "wotta" on the local system and to "tr@aol.com". If their true email is "wotta tr", then aol should add an underscore between the words, or they will not be able to get much email from the nonAOL world. > They will probably be contacting Ben to get on the list soon I suspect we wi > be able to email orders soon. One warning (somehthing I've warned Steve about as well) DO NOT SEND YOUR CREDIT CARD NUMBER OVER THE INTERNET. (loud enough, eh?) By default all mail is sent in the clear and _anyone_ between you and the reciever has the potential to read it. Also, with out encrypted signatures, there is no way to verify who sent the mail (as our regular posts by Joe Lucas have shown (well, actually, I know who it is because I can look at the logs and narrow the field down a bit)). Anyway without some form of identity verification, you can't tell who an email is from. Would you like someone to order parts for you? I suggested that if Steve takes email orders, to call the orderer back to get creditcard information and identity verification. On the whole, I welcome BP to the net. And I hope that subtle hints about Web based catalogs are implemented. Ben And besides the TR3 and LR, I think I saw a Jaguar XK150 in thier shop. ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 17:01:51 -0700 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Re: Canuck Beer non LR You wrote: > >So next time...prepare me a list of likely suspects for Lilly to >smugg....er....import for me. > >Gerry > So, Gerry, you've not figured out what all the extra tank inquiries are really for ? :) Cheers with beers, Jeremy ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 17:12:58 -0700 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Re: UK order was Torqing (Was: UK parts order) was....oh who cares after that You wrote: > > TeriAnn Wakeman writes: > >>Good golly are a couple of people rebuilding their cars? Or do we all want >>different parts? > > With all these parts adding up to ~$6,000 maybe the list should be > reexamined. For $6,000 you can probably buy a few Rovers and scavenge all > the parts you need, plus a few to boot! (Just another viewpoint... *:) > Not a bad idea really. The only catch being that trashed vehicles aren't likely to have many of the parts that people really want new (i.e., Brownchurch racks, a Turner 2.25l (yup, guilty :), body panels, etc.) and in some cases I think we'd have to get just the right kind of parts donor (e.g., military grade springs) whereas in others it would take several to match the identical needs. But maybe those concerned should get together at Paradise and consider this situation. By the way, just noticed I've got all I need to FAX to BP so will do that tonight before I leave for home so hopefully we'll get a detailed (as opposwed to: Ooops what the #$(* is this - no way!) response by mid? to end next week. Then its time to SMOKE SOME PLASTIC! Cheers, Jeremy As Michael points out Cars is Parts is Pieces is Cars ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 17:26:21 -0700 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Re: Dormobile conversion was Who is Rick You wrote: >If I can't make it, and the D90 to Dormobile conversion kit RN >is sending out gets here by Sat., I may try and install it. >Has anyone else out there done a 3.9 V8 to 2.25 4 cylinder >swap? How much time does it take? Any advice? ;-) > >-Rick >(the rlarson@lsil.com one anyway) > Thanks Rick. This clears it all up. I've been wondering where all the D90s on Cole's lot went to. Should've realized that the fading of the D90s correlated exactly with the increasing number of Dormobile sitings in the area. Shame to ruin a limited production classic that will no longer be available with something as "domestic" :) as a Dormobile, but there you go. I am still concerned however, about the legalities involved with that one Dormobile with seventeen different titles and seventeen different registered owners. Surely if this can happen getting that 101FC in country is a piece of cake! Cheers, Jeremy :) <---- for all you Dormobilies! P.S. I hear the Corn Flake Rover Co. specializes in the 3.9 to 2.25 conversion. The condition seems to be that they take the less valuable 3.9 in return for credit toward the 2.25 core charge. I hear there's no cutting involved but if you want you can actually get the radiator set back between the wings! ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 17:29:30 -0700 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Re: British Pacific online Cc: twakeman@apple.com You wrote: > >Just to let people know, British Pacific is now online. Their address is: > >wotta tr@aol.com > Question: wotta tr@aol.com or wotta_tr@aol.com ?? Cheers, Jeremy ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 17:38:06 -0700 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Re: British Pacific online You wrote: > >In message <199507272346.QAA26632@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us>you wrote: > >> Just to let people know, British Pacific is now online. Their address is: >> wotta tr@aol.com > >what is the "wotta" for? Almost certainly the Yorkshire or possibly north england (Tyneside?) pronounciation of "What a" as in, "Eir bah gume, wotta ga' there - gi'us look? [Hey dude what's that, let's see] :) Meaning What a TR Should've been Wotta LR :( Cheers Jeremy ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 21:57:54 +0100 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: UK parts order Left Coasters wrote: >The price that is in their computer at the time of the request. BP >does not have a standard markup. Steve vairies the price based on competitor's >prices and other factors. He may cut a deal with you if it means that he gets >the sale and a UK company doesn't. As is his perogative! >> I'm not sure what you mean by "fairer". Seems perfectly fair to fax BP >> Dingocroft's quotes if this is what they're offering to beat. That's called "bid shopping", a highly unethical practice. The proper thing to do is to give him the list and let him work up a complete price. > Yes it is a fair thing to do if you want to get the best price for >yourself at a given time. But if we want to test to see if BP's prices >are less than competitor X in general, then we don't tell either X or BP >that we are comparing and see what prices they quote off the bat. > > Yes the complete test is if (UK parts+shipping+Customs+ >phone/FAx charges) < (BP + Calif sales tax + Calif shipping) And speed of delivery is a factor too! (Time=Money) >(Why do I sound like a BP >PR person. I don't mean to. I only ment to give an inside scoop on BP to >the mendo folks and now I'm clarlifying statement after statement) Don't feel bad, Ben. Your motives are pure. BP sounds like a qualified bidder, and they should be given a chance at providing the items on the list (as are RN, AB, and DAP!). Seems to me, as an impartial observer, that you should take a lesson from bidding procedures in the construction industry, also known as RFP's (Request For Proposal's). 1. You make your list and indicate the quality of items to be supplied (ie genuine or third party items), and alternates permitted. 2. You pre-qualify your bidders (don't allow flaky outfits) and leave them enough time to prepare a considered bid. It is customary to let bidders know if and who they're competing against (ie The UK firm may try to underbid the local firm, or choose not to bid!), but not necessary. 3. Send everybody the same list to price, and have them (or later add) hidden costs such as duty, shipping, taxes, etc. to each proposal to properly evaluate them. Take out odd-ball items that throw off the bids if they're not available to all bidders. 4. Evaluate the proposals and make adjustments for non-identical items or alternates not previously considered. If necessary have the lowest or two lowest bidders revise their quotes to add, change, or delete items. 5. Award the bid to the lowest qualified bidder! Announce your decision to all competitors, including the price(s) and revised bid list. In a competitive environment the same bidder may not be successful all the time. It is helpful to notify the bidders _after_the_fact_ what the winning bid was, and to let them know you actually placed an order, and that you are fair principled and serious buyers. Next time around you'll have more respect and they'll keep their pencils sharp. $6,000 orders from the LC Rover Group every few months is nothing to sneeze at! Good luck, Michael Carradine, Architect Ph/Fax 510-988-0900 .plan available _________________________________________________________________________ Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page at: http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html ------------------------------------ From: BobandSueB@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 23:17:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Picnic tables Granville, We are bringing a folding (shaky) camp table. We also have our collapsible (especially when you are sitting on it) picnic table and bench set up. But, it's just bring your own - everybody - so Granny, don't worry about putting racks on your LR for any tables. You have, I'm sure, enough to do to get ready, already. Just bring yourself, and what yourself needs! OK. And I'm sure everybody else will do the same. See ya, Sue and Bob ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 19:59:41 +0100 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: British Pacific online Benjamin Allan Smith wrote: >Anyway without some form of identity verification, you >can't tell who an email is from. Would you like someone to order parts for >you? I suggested that if Steve takes email orders, to call the orderer back >to get creditcard information and identity verification. One of the ways is to set up order authorization information beforehand including a shipping address and call-back numbers. Then orders are less risky. >On the whole, I welcome BP to the net. And I hope that subtle hints >about Web based catalogs are implemented. Hear, Hear! A Web based catalog?? Oooooo, sounds nice. If 'genuine' Rover part numbers were used by all vendors (RN and DAP already do!), comparative pricing would be a snap. If the vendors don't want to publish a Web-Catalog, maybe the LC Rovers should. After all, we just need to get the rights to the drawings (Yea, sure!). Michael Carradine, Architect Ph/Fax 510-988-0900 .plan available _________________________________________________________________________ Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page at: http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html ------------------------------------ Subject: Re: British Pacific online Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 21:17:55 -0700 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Michael Carradine wrote: > Benjamin Allan Smith wrote: > One of the ways is to set up order authorization information beforehand > including a shipping address and call-back numbers. Then orders are less > risky. I still think sending unencrypted creditcard numbers across the big, bad Internet is a really bad idea. Orders are ok if you authenticate. > Hear, Hear! A Web based catalog?? Oooooo, sounds nice. If 'genuine' > Rover part numbers were used by all vendors (RN and DAP already do!), > comparative pricing would be a snap. If the vendors don't want to publish > a Web-Catalog, maybe the LC Rovers should. After all, we just need to get > the rights to the drawings (Yea, sure!). Remember that a Web catalog will probable mean a deadicated line, or purchasing space on a certain machine. The best solution would be a dedicated line to their own machine bacause then they could link it into what they have in stock and prices could be kept up to date. I talked to Mark L. of RN about this and he claimed that LR doesn't want their part numbers on the net (being proprietory and such). BP bought the right to use the numbers, so who knows what will happen. Ben ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 21:25:49 +0100 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: See Kerner, Robert writes: >Check out the stuck 1974 Range Rover on the Four Wheel Drive Web Page. > >http://www.indirect.com/user/a4x4/4X4.html Where exactly do you place the hi-lift jack? Does the RR look shortened to you guys?? Maybe he tried winching forwards with the line attached to the back. -->*<-- Michael Carradine, Architect Ph/Fax 510-988-0900 .plan available _________________________________________________________________________ Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page at: http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 22:24:09 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Re: Picnic tables Sue and Bob, [snip] >it's just bring your own - everybody - so Granny, don't worry about putting >racks on your LR for any tables. You have, I'm sure, enough to do to get >ready, already. Just bring yourself, and what yourself needs! OK. And I'm >sure everybody else will do the same. Yeah, you're right and I'd already decided that I didn't need to bring any extra weight or wind resistance (not to mention not having time to change roofs). Gonna hafta really do the minimum if I'm to get there. Trying to get Bennett to help me get ready but he's far to busy to give me much time. Vivid memories of the stress he caused me last time are most of why he's not invited this time. Soonest, Granny ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 22:29:59 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Re: See Rob Kerner writes: >Check out the stuck 1974 Range Rover on the Four Wheel Drive Web Page. > >http://www.indirect.com/user/a4x4/4X4.html Michael Carradine writes: > Does the RR look shortened to you guys? Dang, you beat me to it; yeah, it's shortened. Belongs to Gareth Seymour who had corresponded with me quite a bit, months back, about a trip over here. He and some other Welsh LROs were going to camp at my place one night. Gareth dropped out but there were still two. Then I heard no more. Don't know if the trip died or if I just got cut out of the loop. Granville ------------------------------------ End of Digest