From: mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us Subject: Digest for Mendo_Recce: 7/22/1995 Errors-To: owner-mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us Reply-To: mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us Precedence: bulk This is the digest for the mendo_recce Land Rover mailling list ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Subject: Admin notes Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 12:51:00 -0700 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Because of a power problem which crashed our machines (for some reason it was at 138 Volts AC) the database for the digest was scragged. So the 10 or so people on the digest got nothing. If you think you sent something important yesterday, please resend it. Ben ------------------------------------ From: Kelly Minnick Subject: Re: save the D90! Date: Fri, 21 Jul 95 12:57:41 PDT > > LR is just wimping out. > > Unclear. > > > Door side impact - pretty easy. Air bags - Shoot, the > > technology is already there in the Disco for the air bas and the side impact. > > I agree that the Technology is there. Airbags on the passenger side > will require restructuring the dash area to be structural. Also note that > for the Disco to have airbags, they specifcally weakened the frame in front > of the front axle and mounted a crumple zone detector. They also have a speed > detector and an acceleration detector. 2 of the 3 detectors have to go off > to diploy the airbags. Redesigning the LR frames will probalby take some > money. > > > You can get aftermarket air bags for about $900. > > And will deploy when you are bouncing off road, or hit a tree at > 10mph, or... > > > The Canadians (and some the 4wd type > > here in the US) want the 300 Tdi... > > The 300 TDi passed US EPA tests for all states recently. LR has > no current plans to bring the engine in to the US (I guess its an option > in their back pocket) > > > They could re-vamp the dash like what > > was done in the LRO magazine... > > Which is more $$$ (Though I liked the new idea) > > Ben > I don't agree with you Ben. LR already developed the technology for the Disco, so it would be VERY easy to apply to the D90 Frame. The bulkhead of a D90 is already stronger than the Disco's. They might have to re-do the dash facia... but come on. I realize it's financial thing. But, if they had come out with a county first, it would probably already be popular. I was going to buy a D90 rather than the RR, but with no rear door and kids. And being a primary car, it must have a hard top. I think for most people to spend $34K, it will probably be a primary car... LR has sat back on their laurels and done very few changes to the D90 since the 80's. They have not even begun to look at ways of reducing manpower on the build of the beast. Look at the $$$ they spent on the Disco for just this intent. They might end up in the same problem they were faced with in the early 70's. A too expensive vehicle with the Jananeese stepping in on their market share - hence, a RR. Now we see sales being cut on the D90 worldwide, so we produce a Disco instead of investing in the Disco. Don't get me wrong. I like the Disco. But we have people spending $70K on Hum Vee's. I mean where are the factory air locker options? Skid plates, off-center axle housings. These people have a wealth of technology at their disposal. Ok. enought said. I will hide in my hole. This is all from a mechanical engineers point a view, of course. Later Kelly Minnick ------------------------------------ Subject: Re: save the D90! Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 13:33:50 -0700 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Kelly wrote: > I don't agree with you Ben. LR already developed the technology for the Disc > so it would be VERY easy to apply to the D90 Frame. The bulkhead of a D90 > is already stronger than the Disco's. They might have to re-do the dash > facia... but come on. I realize it's financial thing. But, if they had > come out with a county first, it would probably already be popular. I wasn't arguing that it wasn't feasible, I was arguing that it might not be cost effective for 1500 units. More and more, I think the 1998 D90 might be a LR plan. I do think that it is no cost effective to redesign the D90 for 1996, then for 1997, then for 1998. Personally, the Disco crumple zone works. I don't like it. I don't want a weakend front end. Ben ------------------------------------ From: Kelly Minnick Subject: Re: tech questions Date: Fri, 21 Jul 95 13:21:26 PDT > 2. The Lincoln weldpak 100 welder - anybody have any experience with this - > it is a light duty welder ($250 at price club!!!) and the mig adapter kit is > another $100 - I could learn/practice welding on my kitchen floor!! :) > > 3. I'm getting tired of messing with 1 qt gear lube bottles and even the 1 > gallon pumptop deals - I would love to have a 2-3 gallon metal tank that can > be pressurized and has a hose I could just put in the fill hole and let rip! > Any leads on suppliers for the hose/nozzle part? > (gear lube is becoming a major operating expense for me - guess new seals to > slow things down is the thing to do.) > john > > John Hong Haiku Systems Lotus Notes Business Partner > Consultant jhong@haiku.com 408-249-8340 > > I would buy the Lincoln 250. It's about $100 more from Sears and has losts more current - both AC & DC I buy the 5 gallon gear lube from Wal-Mart... Kelly Minnick ------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 13:44:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Morgan Hannaford Subject: Paradise Lake Philbrook and Philbrook Rd. appear on the Northern Cal. DeLorme map on page 58, near coordinate D3. It looks really easy to find. I plan to leave about 11am from the Bay Area, hoping to hook up with Eric and Anne Mills and the Hessmobile along the way. If anyone else wants to cruise up at this time let me know by phone, I won't be around the 'ol terminal until the middle of next week. You can phone me at (707)255-3179 (in Napa). G.P. said maybe he would hook up with us in Williams (Garanzella's)? Cheers, Morgan ------------------------------------ From: BobandSueB@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 16:59:58 -0400 Cc: mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us ------------------------------------ Subject: Re: LR/Suzuki competition our involvement- levity In a message dated 95-07-21 12:51:29 EDT, Jeremy wrote: >The SHO was in reality the Odin prototype - note the strong resemblance to >the >artists sketch! >Charlie (his story never did seem too realistic) was from LRNA! Probably the > >actual LRO List Lurker! How else would our timing and location have been >known! >The SHO was placed in our path to secretly test the reaction of Series and >Defender owners to the new product! This also explains why it was left >unattended >during our return trip. They were obviously hoping we'd feel uninhibited and >get >out and closely examine it! > >Our reaction and disdain for the vehicle must have cinched it in LRNA's view. > >A For those of you who missed the Joe Lucas MNF NotaRallye, don't even try to understand this thread!!! You had to be there. >Or is this only a delusion? Maybe the reported redneck/modification >remark by the >LRNA rep just reflects that Taylor turned from the LRO list and >contacted LRNA >diretly ??? Ditto, if you're not a long time LRODD subscriber!! Jeremy, I needed a good laugh today, this was it. Thanks. Sue ------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 14:47:13 -0700 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Re: LR/Suzuki competition our involvement- levity You wrote: > >Jeremy, I needed a good laugh today, this was it. Thanks. > >Sue > Joke! You think this is a joke! We missed out on the biggest opportunity yet to influence LR marketing and you think its a joke?! Myself, I wasn't impressed at all by the A-frame IFS suspension they were testing, and no swivel balls either just like the 4.0 SE RR - a sure give away when you think about it -commonalizing the assembly line and parts and all that. However, in retrospect I admit to being very intrigued with the apparent ingenuity of using the front wheels as the regular drive with the rear as the optional 4x4 component. I'm not aware of a manufacturer that's tried this before (VW???). Seemed to have hidden hub selectors though (presumably not working). OK OK enough! Cheers, :) Jeremy P.S. Always glad to amuse, intentionally or not. ------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Looking for my first LR Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 14:59:26 -0700 From: Benjamin Allan Smith >From the main list. Since we were just discussing Dormobiles... John, want to tell him the going price for a Door mobile. $3k?, where! I want one at that price. :-) Ben ----begin include-------- >From: jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben) > Hello, world. > I am looking for a project series II/III SW/Doormobile that I can > buy/use/import into US. > I live in NJ, and have not seen many of them around here. > > I understand that I may be better off importing from UK or Canada, > (or Spain's Santana - any thoughts??). > I am willing to undertake a junker, as now I have a running 4WD, albeit > a Ford. > > If you have recently bought/imported/seen or heard of a 109" SW, > please let me know. > > I am willing to spend $3,k US for a running copy, and 1k for something > I would have to hide from my wife. > > Thanks > Jan -----end include-------------- ------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 15:10:48 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Re: Paradise Mo, >G.P. said maybe he would hook up with us in Williams (Garanzella's)? I'm still hoping that I will take Friday off and try to go up Thursday evening, especially if it's hot. But my workload is the heaviest ever in my 13 years with the department, working overtime every day this week and also on the weekend. By the end of next week things should calm some and I'm going to plead really hard for the day off. I've not had time this week to even get my Rover back in for a smog retest. I was hoping to do this last Monday so I'd have time to tinker if it didn't pass. As it stands now, if it doesn't pass I won't have time to fiddle with it and so won't be able to bring it (license has expired and they won't give me the new tags (although I've paid for them) until it's smogged. I had planned to do a lot of other stuff on it, too. But now, if it passes smog, I'll probably settle for installing the freewheeling hubs and changing to my big tires and wheels. I'll post updates as I see where this is all leading. I plan to come, by the way, even if I have to drive the damned Do*g* again! But I won't do anymore nasty stuff in it (promised SWMBO); will ride with someone else for that if I don't have the Rover. Cheers, Granville ------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 15:14:01 -0700 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Re: Looking for my first LR You wrote: > >>From the main list. Since we were just discussing Dormobiles... >John, want to tell him the going price for a Door mobile. $3k?, where! >I want one at that price. :-) > > Ben >> I understand that I may be better off importing from UK or Canada, >> (or Spain's Santana - any thoughts??). >> I am willing to undertake a junker, as now I have a running 4WD, albeit >> a Ford. Moving up from the SHO eh? Why not wait for the Odin? :) >> I am willing to spend $3,k US for a running copy, and 1k for something Sounds like R. Craig needs to reply! :) Hold on a bit Ben, there seems to be something in this. I think the guy's figured out why Dormobiles are actually common at least out west :). They're coming from a previously unknown Dormobile copier - Santana! Cheers, Jeremy ------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Looking for my first LR Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 15:25:26 -0700 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Jeremy wrote: > >> I am willing to spend $3,k US for a running copy, and 1k for > something > > Hold on a bit Ben, there seems to be something in this. I think the > guy's figured out why Dormobiles are actually common at least out west > :). They're coming from a previously unknown Dormobile copier - > Santana! I think he's new to the scene and doesn't know the going prices. The Santana comment is odd though. Is he trolling for comments, or just found some weird information? Heck to import it from the UK will cost him ~$1000 on top of purchase price. Btw, I just ran across a quote that said 200 Dormobiles were imported to the US. (I can't recall where though...) I will be a Paradice, showing up late Friday or early Saturday (I think--a friend that I haven't seen in a long time will be in the Bay area for a conference and we may try to link up Friday night) Ben (trying to do too much at once) ------------------------------------ From: jory@figment.mit.edu (Jory Bell (prichard)) Subject: tools/5-speeds/etc Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 19:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Cc: lro@team.net [note: I am cc'ing this to the "main" list despite local content, because I am searching more widespread feedback on 5-speed gearbox conversions for the series vehicles.. see #2 below] 1. I am ready to buy new tools, to replace my stolen set. I am looking to buy a fairly complete 3/8" drive socket set, a fairly complete wrench set, a new vice grip set, some adjustable spanners, a chunky hammer, multimeter, feeler gauges, etc. Does anyone have suggestions on SF area locations to obtain these items. I am leaning towards getting something like SK tools (I don't like the feel of craftsman) but am open to suggestions. I currently possess a rental mode of transport (I needed it for work) so I can actually get around a bit (I started looking around a couple of weeks ago, but it was terribly difficult to get much done whilst using public transportation.) 2. I called Mike Hoskins (Mid Atlantic Rover) about a 5-speed convernsion (LT77). My notes from a comversation I'd had with him a couple years ago indicated that the only difficulty in fitting this was in the transmission tunnel (it needed modifying) and that it was a tight fit. According to my more recent inquiries, it's not that simple. Apparently you have to move the 2.25 liter engine and radiator up 4" to fit the transmission (plus there is a weird linkage to get the shifter near the "normal" position). Mike was championing the hispeed transfer case (changes just the high ratio), but I was unexcited about actually increasing my gear spread (in hi ratio) considering that I was actually splitting gears with the OD during the cross country drive (I just don't like the OD... noisy and inelegant... even when compared to the rest of a series vehicle ;) Anyways, I would appreciate any info on clean 5-speed conversions, if such a thing exists. Thanks... -jory ------------------------------------ From: "Kerner, Robert" Subject: Paradise Date: Fri, 21 Jul 95 15:01:00 PDT Bob & Sue, could you send me the info on Paradise. I was sure I wasn't going to go before so I deleted all those messages, but now there is a slim to decent chance I am going to make the treck up. thanks. Rob Kerner fork0@smtp.ais.ucla.edu ------------------------------------ From: BobandSueB@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 20:09:07 -0400 Subject: Re: notes from davis In a message dated 95-07-21 13:22:56 EDT, you write: > >BobandSue, The hess group is planning on arriving friday. Time unknown; >I don't want to drive up 70/99 in the afternoon. I have been in contact >with eric mills (does he have a dormobile or is one of the few without one? >;^) ) and with morgan; eric and I might end up being dormobile escorts for >morgan. John, Regarding Eric Mills - yes I do believe he too has one of those *extremely rare* dormobiles. ;>) As for 99/70, I assume you are referring to the traffic. I've found that if you just toodle along, the maniacs pass you and you've got the road all to yourself. I was just down to Davis via Hwy 70 this past Monday, transferring a Golden Eagle fledgling to the Raptor Center (they have larger cages than I do), and the traffic was very light - but then that was a Monday. Keep us posted regarding your estimated ETA . Cheers, Sue and Bob ------------------------------------ From: BobandSueB@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 20:10:53 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Paradise Lost Base Camp --------------------- Forwarded message: ------------------------------------ From: BobandSueB@aol.com Resent-from: daemon@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us CC: labranch@sybase.com ------------------------------------ Date: 95-07-19 22:21:31 EDT The base camp will be on Lassen State Forest land just beyond Lake Philbrook, but just before the Jones Resort (and I use the word *resort* loosely ). The *resort* store is not opening this season due to the short season and storm damage, however, they do have showers we can use for $2. The area is in the trees, lots of grassy area, a small stream nearby, The locations we checked out today are large enough for group gathering, all have fire rings, and are in areas where campfires are allowed with a permit. We have 1 campfire permit (which we got for MNF. Anyone having a campfire permit (Granville ??), bring it along, so that we may have more than one fire, if need be. Directions: From Hwy 99 at Chico, CA take the Paradise exit (Skyway) and head for Paradise. If you are coming north on Hwy 70, come up Hwy 191 (Clark Road) to Paradise. Continue north on Clark Road - it merges with The Skyway (where you'll turn right) at the top of town. Continue up The Skyway to Inskip (approximately 28 miles from the top of town - our odometer doesn't have 10th's) - where the pavement ends and the fun begins. At Inskip, I would suggest that for a softer ride, those vehicles with radial tires might want to air down. We air our Norsemans down to 15psi. On the pre-run, Bruce aired down his 16" radials to 20psi. Otherwise, drive slowly, and *try* : ) to miss the bumps. I must caution you about the owners of the Inskip Inn - they are strange to say the least. They do not like 4 wheelers, so I'd steer clear of the front of their inn. If you are going to air down, you can pull off the dirt road to your right, just as you leave the pavement. >From Inskip it is approximately (our odometer doesn't have 10th's) 10 miles to the base camp. Stay on the dirt road (Skyway) until you get to the first fork in the road (approx. 3 miles) - this is where Skyway goes to the left, and YOU continue straight or slightly to the right. You'll be on Humbug Road. Wind around the road another 2 miles (approx) , til you get to the road to Lake Philbrook (Philbrook Rd). This is a T intersection - turn right onto the pavement (which turns back to dirt), and continue 5 more miles. You'll pass the road to the High Lakes in 2 or so miles (it will be on your left) Continue straight, however, past the PG&E fishing access parking lot, past the Philbrook Camp Site, past the day use area (where you can launch your canoes, etc - and where there is a bathroom), past the private cabins which will be on both sides of the road, and viola, you will reach PARADISE LOST BASE CAMP. There is a small water crossing just before you arrive at BASE CAMP. Nothing to concern yourselves about - just a land mark. Maps: AAA Feather River and Yuba River Regions; and/or Northern California Section maps both show the Lassen National Forest. The Feather River and Yuba River Regions actually shows the road to Lake Philbrook. More later, Cheers, Sue and Bob . ------------------------------------ From: BobandSueB@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 20:11:19 -0400 Subject: Re: Admin notes In a message dated 95-07-21 15:49:20 EDT, you write: > > Because of a power problem which crashed our machines (for some reason >it was at 138 Volts AC) the database for the digest was scragged. So the >10 or so people on the digest got nothing. If you think you sent something >important yesterday, please resend it. > > Hi all, I'm forwarding my three most recent Paradise Lost postings to the list in case anyone on the digest is planning to attend. Sue ------------------------------------ From: BobandSueB@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 20:11:18 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Paradise Lost NotaRallye - Activities --------------------- Forwarded message: ------------------------------------ From: BobandSueB@aol.com Resent-from: daemon@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us CC: mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us ------------------------------------ Date: 95-07-21 01:07:08 EDT In response to a post from John Brabyn, asking: (John, sorry if this is redundant, thought I'd add a few lines and send it to the LC List) >Can you give me a quick idea of the planned activities once people are >there? There are several trails we hope to travel. One to the High Lakes which at present has 6 + feet of snow on it. Hopefully by the 29th most of the snow will be GONE. Let's think positive. But on the other hand, just think of the fun we can have on a *Snow Run in July*. Our original plans were to camp at the High Lakes, but they are presently inaccessible to long wheel base vehicles. Short wheel base have made it as far as Spring Valley Lake, through the snow with just a little work. Short wheel base have also gotten into the HIgh Lakes thru the back door. However, we can't at this time guarantee long wheel base will be able to make it up there. We will have enough seats in the SWB to fit the LWB people for a trek into the snow and up to Spring Valley Lake, and hopefully on to some of the other High Lakes. Activities, depending upon access, may include a visit to an old open pit garnet mine, sight seeing some petroglyphs, trail riding along the lakes themselves. Some of these trails are very challenging, some easy. Some of the folks are bringing water craft (canoes, kayaks), maybe we'll have a regatta. Anyone wishing to fish may - just bring your fishing license, as the game warden stalks this area and loves to write citations. Wait til you see all the wild flowers! They are beautiful. You'd think it's May instead of July. Of course, with all the snow, you'd think it's March. A pot luck Saturday night will probably materialize. All of us have a tendancy to bring LOTS of food. Mo, you bringing your guitar?? Ben, you too?? 8 days and counting, Cheers, Sue and Bob ------------------------------------ From: BobandSueB@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 20:10:45 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Paradise Lost Base Camp In a message dated 95-07-21 03:13:36 EDT, daemon@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us writes: > --------------------- Forwarded message: ------------------------------------ From: BobandSueB@aol.com Resent-from: daemon@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us CC: labranch@sybase.com, brabyn@skivs.ski.org ------------------------------------ Date: 95-07-21 03:13:36 EDT The following mileage figures are provided by Bruce and Stephanie, thanks to their odometer (with 10th's), and their GPS: > >Here are the milage figures: > > Interval Cumulative >Paradise 0 0 near Bob&Sue's > >Sterling City, Reston Rd. 15.7 mi. 15.7 E626071 N4417929 > >Inskip, pavement ends 7.3 23.0 E624619 N4427714 > >Right fork off Skyway >onto Humbug Summit Rd. 3.6 26.6 E625714 N4431928 > >Right on Philbrook Rd. >(paved) also marked "40D" 1.9 28.5 E627666 N4433536 > > >I have included Northings and Eastings for those with GPS's. > The base camp is five (5) miles down Philbrook Road. Philbrook Road is paved for part of the way, but then it's back to dirt. See previous posting of 19 July 95. Hope this helps. Sue and Bob ------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 95 17:50:44 -0700 From: avery@wfoc.usbm.gov (Avery) Subject: Front wheeldrive 4x4 FYI, I believe my 1979 Subaru wagon used a fwd setup with a small transfer case to send power to the rearwheels when "4x4" was engaged. The pumpkin on the rearend was about the size of a softball! That little tincan had a heard of gold, and was good for a snowy day in downtown Spokane. Won't want to try it in the mountains, though. Hope that everyone has a great time in Paradise (what a name! what a country!) Let us know if anyone else tries to kiss an oak tree d slave cylinders rebuilt and all the seals checked out so I can give Randi a tryout. Dale Avery '73 SIII 88" 89 Mazda 4x4 PU ------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 19:20:39 -0700 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Re: Admin notes You wrote: > >In a message dated 95-07-21 15:49:20 EDT, you write: > >> >> Because of a power problem which crashed our machines (for some reason >>it was at 138 Volts AC) the database for the digest was scragged. So the >>10 or so people on the digest got nothing. If you think you sent something >>important yesterday, please resend it. >> I was wondering who'd picked up all those old Lucas computer components. Cheers, Jeremy ------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 20:20:27 +0100 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: Rover Death Cc: minnick@joker.chinalake.navy.mil (Kelly Minnick) Kelly Minnick writes: >Does anyone know how the head liner openings are suppose to be around the >alpine windows in a Tropical top? I'm trying to lay out a pattern for my >SWB and I've never seen a Tropical head liner... Granville tells me that the headliner is in two pieces and stays short in a tropical roof. It does not go past the alpine windows. On a regular HT the headliner continues down the side. (How'd I do, Granville?) -Michael Carradine cs@crl.com ------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 20:31:04 -0700 From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: Series Qty vs. Def Qty (was: Medium Difficulty Sierra Trails?) > In message <199507120215.TAA08016@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us> Jeremy Bartlett > writes: > > > Welcome. Maybe we're starting to outnumber operational series vehicles > > now :). > Hey, I'll have you know I've got two -- count 'em, TWO! -- fully operational* Series Land Rovers on the Road! How many defenders do you have on the road??? 8^) *Flat tires caused by neighbors (who shall soon suffer the wrath of Uncle Roger -- any suggestions?) putting nails in them not withstanding. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California ------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 20:30:36 -0700 From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: Dormobile pts & ext. visors John Hess wrote... > anyone know someone trying to sell a few dormobile parts? I want a new > latch or two for the top as well as the rack for the top. Anyone have > opiions about external sunvisors? Check recent AW's. I seem to remember someone offering DM parts. I've ridden in a LR with a roof rack that stuck out past the windscreen. Works great. Unless you're worried about dodging bombers or helicopters with snipers. That's why I don't have an external visor. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California ------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 20:31:07 -0700 From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Modern vehicles at Cole Euro For them what was put off from buying a Disco because of the long waiting period, Cole European has a whole passle of them sitting on the lot. They also have 4 or 5 D90's. And, they're easy to get to, being a block or so from Walnut Creek Bart. One of these days, I will get the time to stop by and say hey to Eric McKay who's a diehard series LRO working there now. Anyway, I ride past 'em on my way to Scotty's (you can see the lot from BART) and thought I'd mention it. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California ------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 20:30:56 -0700 From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: phone numbers and weather stripping > Now, about phone numbers, [snip] > putting a home phone on my sig file but maybe the No.Cal folks would like > to post home phone numbers? I for one would put them in my newt* (it My best # is (415) 469-7924. If I'm not there, (and assuming the voicemail system is working -- Ha!) press the * key and follow the prompts to page me. For company code, enter LRO (576); that way I'll know it's something important. I'm also in the phone book, but if you get confused as to which Sinasohn is me (there are oh so many!), it doesn't matter. They're all kin. (And if you have troubles, feel free to call one of them and tell them you're one of my Rover buds and they should help you, I said so.) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California ------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 20:33:57 -0700 From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: Pair-O-Dice Lost, The Rover Not Really a Rallye In regards to arrival times, I'm going to try to be packed Thursday night so I can drive to Walnut Creek on Friday (for work), then have Rachel meet me there at about 4pm or so to head out. Of course, what will really happen is that I'll not be ready, have to go back to SF, pack, and will leave the City at about 10pm (After stopping at the store for last minute equipment.) 8^( In any case, if anyone matches either of those two schedules, I'd love to convoy. (Hopefully the former.) I'm hoping I didn't miss the directions. Should I plan on not working Monday? (I think I can get away with it.) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California ------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 20:34:02 -0700 From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: Hi-Lift/Jackall source? > Roger you need a hi-lynch not a hi-lift :o! > > Or is it time for a Joe Lucas Land Rover Lynch Party? Any suggestions for revenge (don't have to be legal, but must allow execution without being caught) are definitely welcome. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California ------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 20:34:31 -0700 From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: Dormobile Rarity > That's the SAME Dormobile, keeping on its tight schedule of strategic > appearances. It's the one Elvis drives... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California ------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 20:34:57 -0700 From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: A/C for Series Land Rovers Cc: mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us On the subject of cooling... When I was in Ottawa for Canada Day, I took a quick look at some of the cars participating in the Great North American Ottawa-Mexico City classic car race (or something like that). All entries have to be WWII era cars or earlier (hence no LR's), and most were restored to top notch condition. One, however, stood out. It had not been restored, other than (I assume) making sure essential running gear and engine stuff worked. Kinda LR-ish, actually. The guy driving it was sort of a hippy-type, and was traveling with his dog. (Here's the cooling part) Mounted on the rear passenger door window was a *very* interesting device. It was some sort of air-conditioner (or sorts). It was basically a tube about 8" or so in diameter and maybe 1.5' long, with a part that went through the window. So looking head on from the front, it looked like this: ____________ / ____|_, / ,--, ( )| \__/ | ^ ^ / \ Device Window rolled up on it to hold it in place. On the front, there was an air inlet to let moving air in. I'd guess that inside was some sort of cooling unit (powered by an air-powered generator? since I saw no outside power or other connections). As the car moves, air comes in the front inlet, turns the generator inside, then exits out the side into the car, right onto the dog. Now this wouldn't necessarily work with series door tops, but if you got 110 doors on your 109" like Steve Denis... But, the same principal could be used on one built for the Rover's vertical window openings... Or even better, for the front vents, eh? Hmmmm.... Unfortunately, I didn't take too close a look at it or note the vendor, as I was on my way to make the most of Canada day (before getting completely wasted that evening.) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California ------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 20:35:09 -0700 From: Roger Sinasohn mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us ------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Hi-Lift/Jackall source? > I think there should be a West Coast Land Rover Owners > Association meeting at Rogers for a three day weekend. Roger, you > would extend camping privelidges too, yes? Sure! My place is always open to guests and travellers. We've got two big comfi couches in the living room, and another semi-comfi one in Craig's computer room, and lots of room for sleeping bags. The backyard is au naturel if you want to pitch a tent. (Or use my hammock.) Only caveat is... We're three bachelors, and the place is not exactly what you'd call clean... (Deeeshes? Wee don' wash no steeenkeeng deeeshes!) However, I would *love* to see half a dozen LR's show up on the block! Most of the neighbors think I'm weird (we're the three weird white guys on the block) but think the Rovers are cool. Except for the one in question. (Who is also the local voting location -- I'll probably go absentee ballot this year.) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California ------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 20:37:49 -0700 From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: This months magazine scene > On other notes, it is interesting the schizm between the L-R folks on the > net and those not. I met Gordon Callio, Eric McKay, John Kirn, Dom and a > few others of the "Sniveller" crew two weekends ago at UncleBrad's casa. > Anyway, these chaps are definately the off-road type but seemed quite > uncertain about attending Joe Lucas' upcoming events (e.g. Paradise). > Apparently the lack of information that we take for granted on our daily > exchange of prose is the basis for non-net folks never showing up to Joe's I would certainly like to see some of these folks show up. I saw Eric McKay at Cole today, but didn't get a chance to say hey. (He was busy selling a Disco, and didn't see me. I almost didn't recognize him in a tie!) Anyway, I'll try and get out there next week to talk him into going. I've been trying to get Scotty to go too. He's dragging his feet, though, so I dunno. (If you want, e-mail him at jhowat@aol.com and talk him into going.) Some of these guys have been LRO's longer than I've had my driver's license, and I for one would like to gain the benefit of their experience. btw, Morgan - missed you last Wednesday, but you're probably better off. Dave Goodson from Washington (109" 4-door with the best electrics I've ever seen (drool, drool)) skunked Scotty and I. Brad fought his way back to just over breaking even with a royal flush. How about next week? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California ------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 20:47:19 -0700 From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: books and hiding places > >"Land-Rovers have a wonderful hiding place I'm not > >going to tell you about." > But seriously, he might be refering to the space under the access panel > at the center seat to the transmission, large enough for a small package. > Actually, there many hiding places, depending on your need for access If you've got a latch on that panel, or one of those leather straps, it will probably be searched. In my 109", I've got two top-loading boxes just ahead of the tires (most people cut holes in the side; I didn't like that idea) that are unnoticeable when I've got my bed/cabinets in, unless you look underneath. (And any serious search will look underneath.) However, for minor things, like US/Canada border crossings, this, or well disguised storage behind the wheels might suffice. Most of the engine compartment would be checked as well, so that rules out most of that area. I do like John Hess's idea of the oil bath. Of course, any hiding place worth using will not be easily accessible, so its usefullness is limited to smuggling or emergency supplies. (As opposed to somewhere to carry a firearm for travel in those areas where it may be needed, but not allowed. Like Oakland.) I've not really found a satisfactory spot. (Inside the frame comes to mind.) Anyone have any other suggestions? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California ------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 20:47:51 -0700 From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: Hi-Lift/Jackall source? > > jack, I've decided I need a high-lift type jack. > > You sure about that? They are good for front bumpers and miliary rear > frames but extreamly unstable on a rear civilian frame without Well, no... But the wee bottle jack just doesn't cut it. (Have to lift the vehicle half way, put a jack stand under, then jack it the rest of the way because It won't fit if you extend the lifting part, but it doesn't go high enough otherwise.) What would you suggest instead? My brother wants a big floor jack just on general principles (he's got a subaru brat and a '74 camaro - nice car! - that he works on, plus my folks' and sister's cars), but that would probably be too big to carry around. > There is no easy location to place the jack on your 88. It would fit > behind the seat on your 109 two door. There's always the ring things to stand it on on the back. I would probably keep it at home unless on a trip anyway. (And actually, it wouldn't fit behind the seat -- too much stuff already! (First aid kit, maps, spotlight, misc. tools & parts, etc.)) > So I understand a little better why you like to leave your car's at > Scotty's. Ever thought of moving out of San Francisco to a more > civilized location? Is there any place else that's as civilized? Actually, I really like SF. Born and bred, etc. My folks live a mile from me, and my dad grew up 4 blocks from me (once he got to this country.) Where else would you find the Yelling Man, or two guys on a Harley, kissing, or kids that refuse to take the boy scout oath if they have to say the part about god, or...? Bezerkeley means well, but sometimes they go too far. (Sorta like McDonald's switching to paper instead of starting a styrofoam recycling program.) Anyway, I can't think of any other city I'd rather live in (Though Vancouver is very nice, and Ottawa's cool (but too hot/cold)) and I couldn't make a living living in the mountains. (not doing what I'm doing now, the way I'm doing it.) And if I could forego my income, I'd be on my way to Africa. (Unfortunately, I've got my parents & siblings to support.) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California ------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 21:34:34 +0100 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: Aluminum Roverrack >> Kelly, you said: >> >> . Probably be $200 to >> > $250 in material and lots of labor, but hey, it will be an original! >> > >> > Any comments/questions are encouraged! >> >> With all due respect to you and your mechanical/engineering >> abilities, last time I talked to BP, they were working with a local >> to build roof racks for $300-400. Think it would be cheaper to buy >> one! >> >> Dale Avery > >Good point, Dale. I haven't designed it yet, so I don't know how much material >it would take. so, the cost is just an estimate. If I was going to make one >out of steel and did not need it dipped, but rather just painted, I would say >the cost is more like $75 - $100. >Have fun >Kelly Minnick I had a roofrack made of steel by Conifer on my SIII, with a sheet of plywood as a base. It was a cheap and servicable solution, no aesthetic prize winner. My suggestion would be to use smaller (than aluminum) sections of stainless steel, with ground and polished welds. Advantages are 1. No rust, paint, or oxidation (if all else fails then powder paint). SS has a nice patina after a while; 2. Higher strength smaller sections, not as clunky looking as aluminum. Small sections have less wind resistance; 3. Welds are stronger and more reliable. I wouldn't trust an aluminum joint welded by a skillful amateur; 4. For those extreme temperatures SS is prefereable over aluminum, less thermal expansion and less termal transferance. Aluminum will feel hotter and colder to the touch than SS; 5. Stainless steel hardware is readily available at marine supply stores and some hardware stores. Your aluminum will need connectors which most likely will be steel, starting that electrolitic corrosion process. Michael Carradine Carradine Studios cs@crl.com Architect Architecture Development Planning Pgr 510-945-5000 NCARB RIBA PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA Ph/Fax 510-988-0900 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page at: http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html ------------------------------------ From: BobandSueB@aol.com Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 01:19:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Paradise In a message dated 95-07-21 16:45:47 EDT, you write: > >Lake Philbrook and Philbrook Rd. appear on the Northern Cal. DeLorme map >on page 58, near coordinate D3. It looks really easy to find. > >I plan to leave about 11am from the Bay Area, hoping to hook up >with Eric and Anne Mills and the Hessmobile along the way. If anyone >else wants to cruise up at this time let me know by phone, I won't be >around the 'ol terminal until the middle of next week. You can phone >me at (707)255-3179 (in Napa). > >G.P. said maybe he would hook up with us in Williams (Garanzella's)? > > Morgan, et al Coming up Eye 5 to Williams adds 30 or 35 miles or more from the Bay Area and points south. Interstate 80 to Sacramento, Eye 5 North just a few miles - just past the Arco Arena is 99/70 heading North, and it's the most direct. Later, Sue and Bob . ------------------------------------ From: BobandSueB@aol.com Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 01:22:41 -0400 Subject: The Latest From Land Rover In the Sacramento Bee Fri. 7-21-95, is a picture of a vehicle that was built by Land Rover for the movie "Judge Dredd" They built 31 super tough vehicles on Land Rover platforms with 3.5 V8 and 4WD.On the front is the logo CRB . The thing that got my attention was that they look like a Unimog that rolled over 3 or 4 times. Supposed to be futuristic. Maybe this is the one for Granville. I'll save the picture in case someone wants to see it at p'lost Bob Bernard ------------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 95 09:32:53 -0700 From: avery@wfoc.usbm.gov (Avery) Subject: Uncle roger I remembers seeing pictures of something like the cylindrical device you described in OLD copies of J.C. Whitney catalogs back in the 60's. It was an air conditioner of sorts, Works on the same principal as the wetted canvas water bag connected to the bumper of a car. Water was placed in the cylinder, air was forced over the water, evaporating it and at the same time directing the airstream into the interior of the car. Ta-Dah! Fido stays cool! Think they may have been a big seller to tourists from Minnesota and Wisconsin traveling the interstate across South Dakota to visit Mount Rushmore - in the days before air conditioning. Would it be possible to kill your neighbors with kindness? Be- comee so revoltingly cute and sweet that they would let you part an Abrams tank on their front yard? If that doesnt' work, perhaps you couldpick up a smal thermonuclear device from our friends in the ex-KGB... Have fun at (in) Paradise! Dale Avery ------------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 95 10:50:19 -0700 From: avery@wfoc.usbm.gov (Avery) Subject: John Hess - Keystrokes with a face John, I was sitting on the...ah, let me rephrase that, in the reading room this morning, reading the Spring issue of Rovers North's Newsletter. There you are, smiling as you cook up a meal in the back of your Dormobile! Finally, I have a face to match up with a name! Now, how about writing up an article about the trip to Paradise and include a group photo of everyone that shows up? Next get RN to publish it so I can see what the rest of the N. Cal contingent looks like.... I found it interesting that on the same page as your article about driving your new '68 Dormobile from New England to Davis, there was also a smaller article about a family moving from L.A. to Maine. LR's traveling all over the place! I want to put in a little plug for my neck of the woods. If you are looking for a good place to raise a family, are getting sick of the big city grind, and/or just want a place with miles and miles of old USFS logging roads, mountains, all kinds of outdoor activities, and have a busingess that you could provide to your customers from anywhere, considenr moving up here to the Spokane, WA - Coeur d'Alene, ID area. We have four seasons for fun and a very supportive and growing LR communicty. The school system for kids is pretty good (my wife is a teacher). The major downside is that unless you bring your own business, the salaries aren't up to CA standards. It would be a lot of fun to have a few more LR types up here. John Benham's newletter keeps those already here up-to-date with the occasional off-road trips, latest news, etc. The real points for my comments of course are that I will be needing lots of help as I restore "Randi", my SIII 88 back into shape. Keystroking comments of knowledge and support are always welcome, but greasy knuckles someth times are better!! QUESTION: I am planning on installing a one barrel Weber carb on my engine. I called BP about the adaptor for the carb, and he asked if I want the one with the PCV fitting, or the non-PCV adaptor. Can anyone tell me the pros and cons of each? I'm planning on checking out the local junk yards for a '72ish Pinto for the Carb itself. Thanks! Dale Avery Randi '73 SIII 88 and Rand Rover No matter where you go, there you are. ------------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 11:04:12 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Re: The Latest From Land Rover >In the Sacramento Bee Fri. 7-21-95, is a picture of a vehicle that was built >by Land Rover for the movie "Judge Dredd" They built 31 super tough vehicles >on Land Rover platforms with 3.5 V8 and 4WD.On the front is the logo CRB . >The thing that got my attention was that they look like a Unimog that rolled >over 3 or 4 times. Supposed to be futuristic. >Maybe this is the one for Granville. >I'll save the picture in case someone wants to see it at p'lost > >Bob Bernard That's O.K, Bob, not my stuff and it's been plastered in all the mags. What I want to know: Did LR pirate 31 of the precious number of existing 101 chassis or build 31 new ones? I hope the latter. Granville ------------------------------------ From: BobandSueB@aol.com Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 14:57:29 -0400 Subject: Re: John Hess - Keystrokes with a face In a message dated 95-07-22 13:53:07 EDT, you write: > >Now, how about writing up an article about the trip to Paradise >and include a group photo of everyone that shows up? Next get >RN to publish it so I can see what the rest of the N. Cal >contingent looks like.... > > Hopefully John will write an article about the Paradise outing, take a group photo, and we'll publish it in the LROA "Aluminum Workhorse" fall issue, as well. Right, Brad?? Cheers, Sue ------------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 95 13:52:05 -0700 From: avery@wfoc.usbm.gov (Avery) Subject: Sue of Bob&Sue Hello, Sue! Saw that you read my letter note to John Hess. I hope that you and others have a camera or two along at Paradise, I would like to see what real LRO's do off-road in Paridise. If you do get any goo shots, please make a copy of them and mail them up here. I'll ask John "Bwana" benham to include them in his LR newsletter. Hope to meet you and the others at Portland. If I can get Randi road-worthy by then, maybe will try driving her down there. B C N U! Dale Avery I can't believe all of the typos I'm making. Am getting into the 'net via a WAN system in Pittsburgh, PA...use a 800 number to access it from Spokane, WA. End up about two to three words ahead of the screen, oh, well, it works! hukd on fonex wurkd fer me ------------------------------------ From: UncleBrad@aol.com Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 17:45:12 -0400 Subject: Re:visors vs racks For years I have had one of those racks which hangs forward enough to make good shade. I had 1/2" plywood right up to the front edge until, one day, thought that it might be affecting my perfomance by creating a wind-dam. I experimented by noting the 109's performance on a good grade nearby. Then, after removing the forwardmost 4' of the plywood, I did it again. The difference was very noticeable! So if shade is your priority, go with the visor and leave the rack as open as possible. Brad Blevins ------------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 15:42:59 +0100 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: Merseyside's FAX >The one I have is 051.486.5986 with using a 44 country code and a >011 access. It can't be this complicated, can it? I think to call the UK you dial 011-44 then the number less the leading zero. That is: 011-44-51.486.5986. There was some talk awhile back about a change to city codes, probably adding 1 before 51, that is: 011-44-151.486.5986. Check with the operator to be sure. -Michael Carradine cs@crl.com ------------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 15:46:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Russell Subject: Paradise & etc. Yup, there it is on the map. Base camp area looks reasonably easy to find. Current plan is to leave downtown SFO after work on Friday -- probably 6 or 7ish. After fighting my way through traffic out of the city and across the Bay Bridge I will most likely take 80 to SAC and up 99/70. Have no idea how long it will take but obviously it will probably be a fairly late arrival. Where is the last fuel or is there fuel available anywhere half close to the base camp? Should I fill up two or three jerry cans? Sounds like water won't be a real problem, right? Also, where is the last stop for provisions that is open late or all night? Doesn't look as though I will be able to get any of the heavy work done on the vehicle -- no new springs or such -- before Paridise. Rats! I did manage to get the 2 bbl Weber converted to using the oil bath. Jury is still out but initial impresion is that it may be restricting the volume of air getting to the carb when the second bbl opens up. At least the vulnerability of the open guaze filter to water and mud is aleviated. Since drowning the little guy and having really loaded up the filter with mud the past couple of outings, this has been an important objective. I had been concerned about air volume ever since I began thinking about doing this (and the possibility of installing a snorkel). Seems the concern may have been valid and now I may have to rethink this arrangement or come up with some kind of alternative. Oh well, so it goes. Until I come up with a better idea or find the problem is serious, I guess I'll leave leave it as is now. I had been hoping to install the closed type oil filler tube, also a water related item, but doesn't look like I will get to that either. I noticed the other day that the horn is dead. Probably a delayed victim of water. Now I need to get a bloody horn. So, the net result is that I will probably be as poorly prepared as usual. Maybe even less than usual. See ya all there... Jim Russell ==== jrussell@netcom.com (Seattle -- San Francisco) ------------------------------------ From: Kelly Minnick Subject: Re: LR/Suzuki competition our involvement- levity Date: Sat, 22 Jul 95 17:55:44 PDT Cc: mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us gee, I guess you should have been a detective. Good work Jeremy! Kelly Minnick ------------------------------------ From: Kelly Minnick Subject: Re: Paradise Date: Sat, 22 Jul 95 18:09:43 PDT > I've not had time this week to even get my Rover back in for a smog retest. > > Cheers, > > > Granville > > Granny- maybe you could put your plates on my vehicle... Just an illegal thought! Kelly Minnick ------------------------------------ From: Kelly Minnick Subject: Re: Hi-Lift/Jackall source? Date: Sat, 22 Jul 95 18:21:23 PDT Roger thinks he can get me to stay at his place. The dishes don't bother me, its the cost of tires! Kelly Minnick ------------------------------------ From: Kelly Minnick Subject: Re: A/C for Series Land Rovers Date: Sat, 22 Jul 95 18:23:50 PDT Buddy of mine had one of these things. They are swamp coolers! You had to pull a little chain to roll the pads around and get them wet. The car speed would pull air through the device and keep you cool. Pretty cool, eh? Kelly Minnick ------------------------------------ From: Kelly Minnick Subject: Re: tools/5-speeds/etc Date: Sat, 22 Jul 95 18:15:24 PDT > > [note: I am cc'ing this to the "main" list despite local content, because I > am searching more widespread feedback on 5-speed gearbox conversions for the > series vehicles.. see #2 below] > > 1. I am ready to buy new tools, to replace my stolen set. I am looking > to buy a fairly complete 3/8" drive socket set, a fairly complete > wrench set, a new vice grip set, some adjustable spanners, a chunky > hammer, multimeter, feeler gauges, etc. > > Does anyone have suggestions on SF area locations to obtain these items. > I am leaning towards getting something like SK tools (I don't like the > feel of craftsman) but am open to suggestions. I currently possess a > rental mode of transport (I needed it for work) so I can actually get around a > bit (I started looking around a couple of weeks ago, but it was terribly > difficult to get much done whilst using public transportation.) > > 2. I called Mike Hoskins (Mid Atlantic Rover) about a 5-speed convernsion > (LT77). My notes from a comversation I'd had with him a couple years ago > indicated that the only difficulty in fitting this was in the transmission > tunnel (it needed modifying) and that it was a tight fit. According to my > more recent inquiries, it's not that simple. Apparently you have to move > the 2.25 liter engine and radiator up 4" to fit the transmission (plus there > is a weird linkage to get the shifter near the "normal" position). > > Mike was championing the hispeed transfer case (changes just the high > ratio), but I was unexcited about actually increasing my gear spread > (in hi ratio) considering that I was actually splitting gears with the OD > during the cross country drive (I just don't like the OD... noisy and > inelegant... even when compared to the rest of a series vehicle ;) > > Anyways, I would appreciate any info on clean 5-speed conversions, if such a > thing exists. Thanks... > > -jory > > Harbor Freight sells S-K. I love 'em but they are $$$. Advanced adaptors sells a 5sp with adaptor for the series. $2000. Still have to move something. Either the shifter is too far back and mess with the prop shafts, or move all the stuff forward. There is a guy in NY who does the LT77 thing.... The advanced adaptor thing gives a real 1st with 5.35 or something! Think of that low range! Kelly Minnick ------------------------------------ From: Kelly Minnick Subject: Re: save the D90! Date: Sat, 22 Jul 95 18:03:07 PDT Ben wrote: > redesign the D90 for 1996, then for 1997, then for 1998. Personally, > the Disco crumple zone works. I don't like it. I don't want a weakend > front end. > > Ben > I thought it was only the part of the frame between the bumper and the front cross member? No?? Hey Ben, are you going to Paradise? How far is it? Should I take the RR or the Series? (body damage etc.). I would feel bad if people saw me out there in the RR in low range! Kelly Minnick ------------------------------------ From: Kelly Minnick Subject: Re: John Hess - Keystrokes with a face Date: Sat, 22 Jul 95 18:32:39 PDT > my engine. I called BP about the adaptor for the carb, and he asked > if I want the one with the PCV fitting, or the non-PCV adaptor. Can > anyone tell me the pros and cons of each? I'm planning on checking > out the local junk yards for a '72ish Pinto for the Carb itself. > > Thanks! > > Dale Avery > Randi '73 SIII 88 and Rand Rover > No matter where you go, there you are. > Get the PCV attachment if you ever want the smog legal thing! Mine is plugged right now, but could be used if I had too! I was born in Spokane. Lived in Missoula for years. For some reason, I needed a job! This was before the big boom in Spokane! Kelly Minnick ------------------------------------ From: BobandSueB@aol.com Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 21:48:04 -0400 Subject: Paradise Lost South Bay Convoy ?? Hi all, New LROA members, Jim and Melynda Bunker of San Jose, are driving up to P-Lost late Friday evening, and wanted to know if anyone else was coming up at that time. Last I heard they were bringing both their vehicles, a D90 and a RR. Their phone number is 408 441-7222. Cheers, Sue ------------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 19:13:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Russell Subject: Re: save the D90! Kelly Paridise is maybe just a bit further than was Mendo. The only real problem I see in bringing the RR is that you could have a whole lot of folks mad at you should it happen to outdo the Series and D90's:) Hope you might make it! Jim Russell ==== jrussell@netcom.com (Seattle -- San Francisco) ------------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 19:15:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Russell Subject: Re: A/C for Series Land Rovers I remember an evaporative air cooler my dad had -- probably in the early to mid fifties. It sat on the transmission hump and had it's own fan that plugged into the lighter. You filled it with water and, as I remember, it actually worked reasonably well. I'd rather like to find one of those. Jim Russell ==== jrussell@netcom.com (Seattle -- San Francisco) ------------------------------------ From: BobandSueB@aol.com Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 21:46:11 -0400 Subject: Re: Paradise & etc.-Gas, Water, Provisions In a message dated 95-07-22 19:04:37 EDT, Jim Russell wrote: > >Current plan is to leave downtown SFO after work on Friday -- probably 6 >or 7ish. After fighting my way through traffic out of the city and across >the Bay Bridge I will most likely take 80 to SAC and up 99/70. Have no >idea how long it will take but obviously it will probably be a fairly late >arrival. It takes me 2 hours to get from Davis to Paradise. And base camp will take you another 1 - 1/1/2 hours. > >Where is the last fuel or is there fuel available anywhere half close to >the base camp? Should I fill up two or three jerry cans? Sounds like >water won't be a real problem, right? Also, where is the last stop for >provisions that is open late or all night? > > The closest 24 Hour gas station (Exxon) is approx. 33 miles from base camp in Paradise at the intersection of Clark and Pearson Rds. Also in Paradise, the Beacon station at the corner of Skyway and Elliott is open til 11 PM. Above Paradise, in Paradise Pines on the Skyway, there is a Shell station open til 10PM seven days a week. There are also gas stations off Hwy 70 in Oroville that should be open (you can see them from 70), and in Chico, the station at the bottom of the Skyway, at Hwy 99, just as you start up to Paradise should also be open. I'd bring at least 1 or 2 jerry cans of fuel. When we've camped at the High Lakes for a weekend we usually only used one tank of gas, but it's always smart to have a full jerry can. Bring water for drinking, etc. We are staying at an unimproved camp site - no running water. Yes, the lake is nearby, and it's full, and a stream, but not for drinking. I wouldn't even use it for dishes. There may be water available at the day use area 1/8 to 1/4 mile back down the road at the bathroom - but I can't guarantee it (I didn't think to look). As for provisions, in Paradise on the Skyway, about 1/4 mile above Elliott, the Holiday Market, is open til 9 PM, (it's in the shopping center behind the Longs Drug Store at Skyway and Oliver (across from Jack in the Box). If you come up Hwy 70, to 191 (Clark Road), the Safeway in Paradise, at Clark & Elliott (3rd traffic light on Clark) is open 24 Hours. Cheers, Sue and Bob ------------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 20:20:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Russell Subject: Re: Paradise & etc.-Gas, Water, Provisions BobandSue: Good info -- exactly what I need. I'll probably bring two full Jerry cans of fuel, enough water, and probably stop in at the Safeway in Paradise for provisions. Walt or John Hess (or anyone else who might know): How long does it usually take from either SFO or Berkeley to Davis? Jim Russell ==== jrussell@netcom.com (Seattle -- San Francisco) ------------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 21:20:39 -0700 From: jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell) Subject: Re: tools/5-speeds/etc >Harbor Freight sells S-K. I love 'em but they are $$$. I almost broke down and actually bought tools today (went to Post, but they were way out of stock on everything for some reason). >Advanced adaptors sells a 5sp with adaptor for the series. $2000. Still have >to move something. Either the shifter is too far back and mess with the >prop shafts, or move all the stuff forward. > >There is a guy in NY who does the LT77 thing.... > >The advanced adaptor thing gives a real 1st with 5.35 or something! Think of >that low range! I'll have to check out the AA option. I tend to have no problem cutting drive dhafts, although the shifter placement could be annoying. Do you have any additional info about this alleged "guy in NY"? thanks, jory ------------------------------------ End of Digest