From: mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us Subject: Digest for Mendo_Recce: 7/14/1995 Errors-To: owner-mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us Reply-To: mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us Precedence: bulk This is the digest for the mendo_recce Land Rover mailling list ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: "Mugele, Gerry" Subject: Seats (de Luxe, etc.) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 95 11:45:00 PDT Any and All, I'm seeking information on original or original style seats for Gooey. The foam and stitching in his are dissolving prematurely...they're only 23 years old. I know many of you are interested in "Trakkers" but I don't know what those are. I'd like to get something that is close to original series III driver seat (upper and lower) as reasonable...meaning I don't want to spend $500 per side. Of course I only need the left and right since the center is near perfect. I called British Pacific and they don't have anything in stock. They're expecting a container in early August and it will have some after market look-a-like seats. Apparently the vinyl is not sewn together from individual strips (as the original are) but stamped to look as though they are and the cushioning is all foam (unlike the orig which also have springs). These will be priced somewhere under $150 per side. The price is right but I certainly don't want to buy these unseen and they don't sound all that swell. Experience? opinions, anecdotes, speculations... re: hiding places...the Series III has a rather handy, easily overlooked, small hiding place that I use for a spare keys, registration, money, etc. To figure it out just think about the differences between II and III (that means it doesn't have anything to do with the grill/headlamps). Gerry ------------------------------------ From: DANCSC@aol.com Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 18:22:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Alternative Cocktail Party (Portland) In a message dated 95-07-13 12:42:45 EDT, you write: >What's this Guinness Stout stuff? too most of us, it is the nectar of the Gods:-)... Dan of Rosa ------------------------------------ From: "Mugele, Gerry" Subject: Pair of Dice, Lost the Rover Rally Date: Thu, 13 Jul 95 12:02:00 PDT Paradise is at least 2.5 hours from SF bay area on a Friday night. Some of us cannot meet in time to head out to the trails that night. Oh no...you can't take off Friday Night....I know I can't get up there that early. Despite the common beliefs; bankers don't keep bankers hours...at least not at Wells. I'll be lucky if I can get on the road by 8:00pm Friday. Maybe we can have a second contingent depart Paradise Sat AM to track down the Friday night expedition... At the very least we'll need some contingency plans. Like explicit route instructions... Gerry ------------------------------------ From: DANCSC@aol.com Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 18:36:07 -0400 Subject: Re: Seats (de Luxe, etc.) Gerry, hey about those seats, don't pay big bucks... I got a set out of a 65,from ol' Jerry Sprenger of Balboa Island, for $15. that's right, and hey, they're great! I think Matt of Napa is looking to unload his original seats, they're out of a 61, but I think they're more comfortable then the later ones... If you're interested let me know, and I'll give him a call for you...I'd give you his number but I don't have it with me... maybe Morgan does? happy day, Dan of Rosa ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 15:42:13 +0100 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: Seats (de Luxe, etc.) Cc: Gerry Mugele Gerry Mugele writes: >I'd like to get something that is close to original series III driver seat >(upper and lower) as reasonable...meaning I don't want to spend $500 per >side. Of course I only need the left and right since the center is near >perfect. I called British Pacific and they don't have anything in stock. > They're expecting a container in early August and it will have some after >market look-a-like seats. Apparently the vinyl is not sewn together from >individual strips (as the original are) but stamped to look as though they >are and the cushioning is all foam (unlike the orig which also have >springs). These will be priced somewhere under $150 per side. The price is >right but I certainly don't want to buy these unseen and they don't sound >all that swell. > >Experience? opinions, anecdotes, speculations... I bought some for a Series III years ago for about $50 exchanged per cushion from D.A.P. They were near impossible to tell apart from the original ones. The cushions did have the same sewn-together individual strips. D.A.P. probably still has them at a similar price, if not, try Rovers North, they offer a "Non-Genuine" cushion for around $60-70 a piece, back or bottom. Lightly! Michael Carradine Carradine Studios cs@crl.com Architect Architecture Development Planning Pgr 510-945-5000 NCARB RIBA PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA Ph/Fax 510-988-0900 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page at: http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html ------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 15:25:30 -0800 From: jfhess@ucdavis.edu (John Hess) Subject: original seats Gerry, IF you care to do so, you could go so far as to take your seats to an upholstery shop and have them recreated. Tiger guys do that; we insist that the number of stitches used to sew the strips together is the same as original ;^)! Seriously, in Redwood city is a shop the does tiger seats using a pattern taken from a taken apart tiger seat. I'm sure any competent place could redo a rover seat. Better hurry or you won't be ready for the pair a dice concourse! John Hess, PhD Phone me 916 752 8420 Dept of Cell Bio. and Hum. Anat. FAX me (ask first or I may get in trouble)* University of Calif Davis, CA Email me jfhess@ucdavis.edu *You think I joke. I was just told by department staff that my one page Mendocino Brewery newsletter is personal and must be changed to home delivery. ------------------------------------ From: Kelly Minnick Subject: Re: Seats (de Luxe, etc.) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 95 15:55:57 PDT My high-back seats in Caviar cloth were $65 per SIDE. They are made by Trakkers for Paddocks. They are a little stiffer than stock, but I'm use to them now and the high back part is great! Yes, I'm cheap! Kelly Minnick ------------------------------------ From: "John R. Benham" mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 16:32:23 +1100 Subject: Re: Seats (de Luxe, etc.) Kelly writes: > My high-back seats in Caviar cloth were $65 per SIDE. They are made by > Trakkers for Paddocks. They are a little stiffer than stock, but I'm use > to them now and the high back part is great! Yes, I'm cheap! > Kelly Minnick Kelly, I paid a fortune for my caviar cloth `Trakkers' directly from Trakkers - and the bottom offers less support than my originals. And now you say I can get better support seats in caviar for $65.00! Ruin my day!! Later, John R. Benham - Editor N.3616 Dowdy Road `The Rover Runner' Spokane, WA 99204 USA ______ |______\_____ 1968 88 IIA Marine Blue *--- [|_/-\____/-\_|} The `BWANA' Mobile *--- (O) (O) 509.747.0692 (H); 509.353.2700 (W); E-Mail: benham@wfoclan.usbm.gov ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 95 16:47:51 -0700 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Subject: Re: Seats (de Luxe, etc.) In message <199507132156.OAA06749@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us> writes: > > Any and All, > > I'm seeking information on original or original style seats for Gooey. The > foam and stitching in his are dissolving prematurely...they're only 23 years > old. Your right, I did not reupholster my seats with duct tape untill they were close to 30 years old. > > I know many of you are interested in "Trakkers" but I don't know what those > are. Trackker is a UK company that makes aftermarket seats, upholstry, door sides, cubby boxes & such for all Land Rovers except series I. They make a lot of Disco stuff. They make a lot of high back seats and cubby boxes that are sold by other UK companys. They market their best designed and quality seats themselves. The seats I'm interested in go for about 80 pounds including VAT which gets subtracted plus shipping. I'm after a high quality, comfortable black nagahyde high back seat. Near as I can tell, if any one has it it would be Trakkers. I'm after a high back seat for both long distance travel comfort and safety. i plan to put a cubby box where the centre seat goes since I just put things there anyway. > > I'd like to get something that is close to original series III driver seat > (upper and lower) as reasonable...meaning I don't want to spend $500 per > side. You can purchase new US spec D90 seats for way less than $500/side. Problem with those is that you sit higher (well not a problem is you are height challanged). The Defender's windscreen is taller so you can get away sith sitting higher. Anyway there are a number of UK companys that make reproduction series III seats, but no gray ones :*( You can always FAX around to the UK companys that sdvertise them in LRO and ask how they are constructed. > > re: hiding places...the Series III has a rather handy, easily overlooked, > small hiding place Probably in that black plastic thing they call an instrument panel If you don't mind needing a screwdriver, you can stash stuff in the metal covers that go over the rear of the tail light assemblies and wiring in back. The 88 people can do the same with the cover over the full filler hose. There is limited space behind the insturment panel in a metal instrument panneled car. If you have an alternator with built in regulator, you can always mount a gutted external voltage regulator. If you have a kodiak heater you can not see between the heater and the side of the wing. I would worry about putting things in s tight space such as the inside of brake of clutch pedistals because you could get into trouble if it shifts and interfers with the linkage. Of course now, you could partially unsnap a interior door pane and put things behind that. There's any number of places that one could stash emergencey or trip money where it would take a multiple hours to find. Or you could build a door on the inside of your bumper. TeriAnn Wakeman .sig closed for remodeling twakeman@apple.com ------------------------------------ From: "Mugele, Gerry" Subject: Seato Mypans Date: Thu, 13 Jul 95 16:26:00 PDT Michael: Thanks for the suggestion...but I'm not familiar with D.A.P. who/where are they and how does one contact them? Do you have a number/address. TIA After I sent the last msg I called RN and you're right they do have a "look-a-like" for (about $120 a set) which sound similar to what BP described to me only they even volunteered that they are not as comfy and probably will only last about half as long as the originals. I think they wanted to sell me factory seat @ $195 for a back and $90 sumthin for a bottom. yeah sure, uh huh. For that kinda money I have some built from scratch. Dan O'rosa: The seats yer referring to are significantly different than the SIII de Luxe jobs. Aside from the subjective...er...ahem....ass pects...of parking yer butt in 'em they look very different. The de Luxe are black contoured (well sorta contoured) with the surfaces sewn from 3 rather large pieces of vinyl and then several strips in the main seating spot. This is as opposed to the "elephant hide" cushions of the older Series II and IIa that look very much like a wider version of third base. If this isn't clear you just need to peer into some more L-Rs...it'll be obvious. But thanks for the thought. Gerry ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 18:09:10 +0100 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: Seato Mypans Gerry Mugele writes: >Thanks for the suggestion...but I'm not familiar with D.A.P. who/where are >they and how does one contact them? Do you have a number/address. TIA D.A.P. recently moved from Wareham, MA to Springfield, VT and have joined up with Atlantic British of California and some other eastern company to (soon) become British Rovers. Anyway, last I checked D.A.P. can be reached at 802-885-6660. When pricing parts in the US, I would fax AB, RN, and DAP with sizeable identical orders (~$300) and AB was about 2% less than RN, and DAP about 30%. RN definetly has the best catalog though, with AB as second. Tom Gannon of AB/Calif recently told me that he's working on a new catalog (probably has something to do with his seperation from AB/East Coast, and association with British Rovers et al). <> Report back on your findings! Michael Carradine Carradine Studios cs@crl.com Architect Architecture Development Planning Pgr 510-945-5000 NCARB RIBA PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA Ph/Fax 510-988-0900 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page at: http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html ------------------------------------ From: BobandSueB@aol.com Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 21:30:39 -0400 Subject: Pair-O-Dice Lost, The Rover Not Really a Rallye In a message dated 95-07-13 18:29:13 EDT, Gerry wrote: > >Maybe we can have a second contingent depart Paradise Sat AM to track down >the Friday night expedition... At the very least we'll need some >contingency plans. Like explicit route instructions... This Saturday we are pre-running the JL-Pair-O-Dice-Lost-Not-A-Rallye. Once we establish which trails are OPEN, and where we are going to camp, we will post directions. We can either meet in Paradise, or at Inskip, which is where the pavement ends 25 miles above Paradise on the Skyway (the road from Chico to Paradise and beyond). If a group goes in Friday, we can always come out to Inskip to meet the Saturday contingent. What we'll need to know is who is coming up, and when, then we can formalize our plans. We are planning a base camp ala the JLMNF-Not-A-Rallye. Plan on cool to cold nights and cool to warm days. Hopefully it won't rain or snow. Hope I haven't tempted fate! knock on wood, and all that rot. We can pot luck Saturday night (we'll do a roast pig at another outing). Lots of vapor locke, of course. And, if anyone has a fishing license (a must since our Game Wardens live to give citations), perhaps we can have a fish fry. BTW, the AAA Feather River and Yuba River Regions map shows Paradise and the High Lakes area (look for Spring Valley Lake, Lotts Lake, Campbell Lake, Long Lake, Saddle Lake, Grassy Lake, in the southeast corner of the Lassen National Forest). That's where we're going! If the Feather River map is no longer available, ask for the Northern California Section map. More later, cheers, Sue and Bob ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 19:06:17 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Re: Seato Mypans Gerry, >Thanks for the suggestion...but I'm not familiar with D.A.P. who/where are >they and how does one contact them? Do you have a number/address. TIA DAP has changed hands, bought out by British Rovers (which split off from AB a couple of years ago and now is all called DAP). May not be all the same sort of outfit it once was. Now that BR is DAP, Tom Gannon (formerly AB, then BR, now DAP West) would be the one to call. Phone No. is: 916-778-3922 >After I sent the last msg I called RN and you're right they do have a >"look-a-like" for (about $120 a set) which sound similar to what BP >described to me only they even volunteered that they are not as comfy and >probably will only last about half as long as the originals. I think they >wanted to sell me factory seat @ $195 for a back and $90 sumthin for a >bottom. yeah sure, uh huh. For that kinda money I have some built from >scratch. Take yours to an upholstery shop and get 'em reupholstered. Probably cheaper that the genuine replacement cushions and probably better. Lawrence (BP) says that the genuine replacements are not real "tuck 'n' roll" like the originals either but are heat-seamed just like the cheesy aftermarket ones. I got a couple of bottom cushions from Dingocroft that look a little better than the ones Don Brittingham got from AB. Lawrence says he tells everybody to hang onto any genuine original seats, no matter how bad the condition. If you do replace yours, don't get rid of your old ones; someone (such as I) will want them. Granville ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 19:50:56 +0100 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: Seato Mypans II Granville B. Pool writes: >DAP has changed hands, bought out by British Rovers (which split off from AB >a couple of years ago and now is all called DAP). May not be all the same >sort of outfit it once was. Now that BR is DAP, Tom Gannon (formerly AB, >then BR, now DAP West) would be the one to call. Phone No. is: > > 916-778-3922 Whew!! It all sounds very confusing. Maybe the next issue of Aluminum Workhorse will have all the proper company names, people and phones in it. -Michael Carradine cs@crl.com ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 20:11:09 -0700 From: jfhess@ucdavis.edu (john hess) Subject: Is that a detour up ahead? Howdy all, Most of you are unaware of the hesses plan to be in the OR and WA area for the last part of august leading to our participation in the ABM (all british meet) at PIR (Portland international raceway)(thanks to Tony and Linda Starbird for the abbreviations). I wrote them awhile ago to warn them of our plans and see what their plans were. I recieved their reply today and have some info about the ABM. They state that "the reason not to camp out at PIR on friday night is the Saturday morning rush to decamp and move your vehicle 500 yards to the display area." they (the locals) plan to meet somewhere near the PIR at 0800 and drive in together. They also plan to join the local Jag club for a bbq saturday night after saturday judging. Sunday will be the second annual Land Rover/Range Rover pancake breakfast. I found out that another dormobile is now on the west coast. Loren Stelzenmueller has a 1964 with original refrigerator and other goodies (or so I'm told). Tony and Linda say that with the Hessmobile, there should be 4 DMs present: Starbird, Shipman? Stelz.. and Hess. Sounds pretty gosh darn cool to me. I really don't know anymore but have left a message on the starbirds machine so I might have more info later. I expect that for those of you going to portland, there isn't really a better option than camping at PIR friday night. In fact, maybe we (the non-locals (Jim which are you?)) could convince the locals to join us for friday night? Things at this point seem to be revolving around trash cans with ice and beer plus bbqs for cooking. comments/more discussion needed! john f hess phd (wow, really?) jfhess@ucdavis.edu from home via modem Land- -Rover, Sunbeam Tiger and Mazda owner! ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 20:56:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Russell Subject: Re: Is that a detour up ahead? John H (and all)... Local? Me? Well, sorta, 'course Portland is really a bit south of local for me. If it matters, I am a member of the Pacific Coast Rover Club, though. Gee, guess that sorta qualifies me as a local there. But, gosh, I guess I'm kinda local here, too. Last year my "camp" was more or less between the Canadians and the Eastern Washington crowd. You think you feel confused, how do you think I feel? I really like the idea of trying to get the locals to drop by. I'll throw in some beer. They're (we're) nice folks. If you talk to the Starbirds, pass along the invitation and ask if they'd spread the word some that the net Rover people would be happy if they'd drop by and share a few pints. I'll try to do the same with those further north. Any objections????? But, wait, let me rethink all this. If I claim to be local there does that mean we furnish me beer? See, it realy does get confusing sometimes:) For folks camping out, there are few options but to 'decamp' for the meet. At least at PIR you can pretty well leave your camp intact other than as it involves the vehicle and visit it as need or inclination arises. Wasn't any real rush last year. In fact it all seemed rather leasurly with folks fixing breakfast, making coffee, listening to or watching Doug Shipman in his 88 test out the "Jungle Course", and, eventually, figuring out which way to head in order to get to the display area. Some then went over to the display area, dug out the Coleman, and made more coffee. The motels down the road a short way are, of course, an option for those not into camping. Last year that is what Ruth and I did on Saturday night 'cause we weren't prepared to camp the two of us. Can't remamber what it cost, though. This year I hope to be a bit better prepared but who knows. You answered my question regarding the ABFM (All British Field Meet) BBQ plans of the local Rover folk. It appears the plan is to either go to the main BBQ or fend for yourself. So, I plan to send in my BBQ reservation with my entry form, photo, and money. I'm really looking forward to it. I had a really good time last year and hope to have an even better one this time. Jim Russell ==== jrussell@netcom.com (Seattle -- San Francisco) ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 21:01:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Russell Subject: Re: Pair-O-Dice Lost, The Rover Not Really a Rallye What I was hoping to be able to do is drive up Friday night after work and maybe be able to find the base camp since I am not an early to rise type. Is that at all feasible? Jim Russell ==== jrussell@netcom.com (Seattle -- San Francisco) ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 21:51:59 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Re: Pair-O-Dice Lost, The Rover Not Really a Rallye Jim said: >What I was hoping to be able to do is drive up Friday night after work >and maybe be able to find the base camp since I am not an early to rise >type. Is that at all feasible? I had originally planned to take Thursday, Friday, and Monday off from work so I could have a long and leisurely trip. Now it looks like I'll be very lucky if I can get any time off at all. So I may be going up Friday evening as well. One advantage of going at night would be to beat the heat, if it is hot. One thought I had would be (if it would work out that way) that I (and any others who go from 101 to I5 via Highway 20) could meet up with some of the Bay Area folks at Garanzella's (or whatever the name of that place is) in Williams. Here, John Hess, I put my signature file with my phone numbers: Granville B. Pool, Redwood Valley, CA (707)485-7220 (home) (707)463-4265 (work) Land-Rover Series III 88", more Land-Rovers, Austin Champ Military 4x4... ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 21:52:02 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: A little Star Bird told me... Hess says a little bird told him: >They state that "the reason not to camp out at PIR on friday night is the >Saturday morning rush to decamp and move your vehicle 500 yards to the >display area." they (the locals) plan to meet somewhere near the PIR at >0800 and drive in together. I disagree with this view of the situation. I thought those of us who camped out at the PIR were the lucky ones in that we were given priority placement and "cuts" to get right from the camp area into the field to set up our vehicles. Those who came in from outside had to wait and wait and wait in a humongous line to get in. You gotta realize that this is the largest all-limey car leak in the U.S. of A. A reeelly beeg shew... Gran ------------------------------------ From: BobandSueB@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 02:54:30 -0400 Subject: Re: Pair-O-Dice Lost, The Rover Not Really a Rallye In a message dated 95-07-14 00:49:45 EDT, you write: >Jim said: > >>What I was hoping to be able to do is drive up Friday night after work >>and maybe be able to find the base camp since I am not an early to rise >>type. Is that at all feasible? > Jim, what's your approximate ETA? Depending upon the time people start arriving, we can lead a group in Friday night, or you can camp out at our place here in Paradise, and we'll go in Saturday morning. Finding your way around the High Lakes area isn't easy without a guide the first time around, *especially in the dark*. Then Granville said: >. So I may be going up Friday evening as well. One advantage of going at night would >be to beat the heat, if it is hot. > >One thought I had would be (if it would work out that way) that I (and any >others who go from 101 to I5 via Highway 20) could meet up with some of the >Bay Area folks at Garanzella's (or whatever the name of that place is) in >Williams. > Granny, yes, driving Friday evening should be cooler. What time do you think you will be arriving? Is Melanie coming? And Bennett? Hope so. Were you planning a vapor locke stop at Garanzella's - if so, we'll leave a candle burning in the window for you. We heard from Jason today, and he is planning on coming up and he's bringing his kayak. See you in a couple weeks! Sue and Bob Bernard --- Paradise, CA --- BobandSueB@aol.com --- 916 877-5656 ------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 07:36:14 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Re: Pair-O-Dice Lost, The Rover Not Really a Rallye >Then Granville said: > >>. So I may be going up Friday evening as well. One advantage of going at >night would >be to beat the heat, if it is hot. >> >Granny, yes, driving Friday evening should be cooler. What time do you think >you will be arriving? Is Melanie coming? And Bennett? Hope so. Were you >planning a vapor locke stop at Garanzella's - if so, we'll leave a candle >burning in the window for you. Well, Bob and Sue: Very much up in the air. At this stage my planning is that I might come up anywhere from Thursday night to Saturday morning. As the time gets closer, my Land-Rover takes shape (gonna work on it this weekend), and I see what progress I make with my workload, I'll know better. Right now it looks like I'll be coming alone, probably early Friday evening. Melanie just doesn't want to come and I don't plan to invite Bennett (his coming caused me too much stress last time at the getting ready end; I think he can come along when he has his own Land-Rover built). Will keep you posted, Granny ------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 08:41:03 -0700 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: UK ORDER START OK All the order requests I'm aware of are in. I'll be sending the Fax to Dingocroft as soon as I get time. Hopefully they will be receiving it sometime Monday. I'll post as soon as I have info. and will forward quoted costs for review and any deletions to all concerned as soon as I get Dingo's reply Cheers, Jeremy "Parts is Pieces" ------------------------------------ From: "John R. Benham" Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 08:56:48 +1100 Subject: Re: Correction... John Hess writes: > They state that "the reason not to camp out at PIR on friday night is the > Saturday morning rush to decamp and move your vehicle 500 yards to the > display area." they (the locals) plan to meet somewhere near the PIR at > 0800 and drive in together. This is true, but for people coming in from out of town, one must either camp at the PIR designated camp site or spend the night at a motel. In the past, the Starbirds have offered their property to camp out on. This would present more problems in that you have to dismantle your entire camp and reset it at PIR assuming one is to camp out there Saturday night. Things at this > point seem to be revolving around trash cans with ice and beer plus bbqs > for cooking. Trash cans? They're galvanized WASH TUBS! The traditional Western way of serving beer! Trash cans indeed ... > > comments/more discussion needed! > > john f hess phd (wow, really?) > jfhess@ucdavis.edu > from home via modem > Land- > -Rover, Sunbeam Tiger and Mazda owner! John R. Benham - Editor N.3616 Dowdy Road `The Rover Runner' Spokane, WA 99204 USA ______ |______\_____ 1968 88 IIA Marine Blue *--- [|_/-\____/-\_|} The `BWANA' Mobile *--- (O) (O) 509.747.0692 (H); 509.353.2700 (W); E-Mail: benham@wfoclan.usbm.gov ------------------------------------ Date: 14 Jul 1995 08:59:52 -0800 From: "David Reha" Subject: Greeting Greeting via Mail*Link(r) for PowerTalk(tm)/QM Greetings, I wanted to introduce myself as a just joined your mail list. My name is David Reha and am the proud owner of a 67 Doormobile. I've had it for a little over 7 years, and now that ours kids a abit older am looking to get off the beaten trail. I have most of the doormobile accesories. Instead of the the tall and short cabinets in the back I have two short ones. I have the original stove and sink in one of them. Somewhere in its life, a second fuel tank was added in place of the propane tank for the stove. I also has a Chevy 6, and I've added an OD. My next project (in the middle of funding pains) is to upgrade the brake system to Series III status i.e. vacum assist and SIII master cylinder. So far I've been pick Teriann's brain and have managed to locate the vacum assist drum and peddlebox. I've been following the Paradise trip discussion. I would love to go and if I can juggle a business trip and family plans abit I will try. Look forward to meeting a few Rover folks, cheers, David Reha ------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 09:29:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Russell Subject: Re: Pair-O-Dice Lost, The Rover Not Really a Rallye Sue and Bob: ETA? Good question. I'll naturally try to leave work early but you know how that goes. I'd guess probably not out the door 'till maybe six or so. Then fight SFO traffic as well as other traffic jams along the way, and, well, I'm guessing it is at least about three hours from here under good to average conditions. So, a guess would be maybe 10 pm (give or take some) partly depending on how many things I will have forgotten to do and have to take care of either enroute or before actually heading out from the bay aera. Jim Russell ==== jrussell@netcom.com (Seattle -- San Francisco) ------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 10:38:00 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Re: Greeting Welcome, David! >I wanted to introduce myself as a just joined your mail list. My name is David >Reha and am the proud owner of a 67 Doormobile. I've had it for a little over >7 years, and now that ours kids a abit older am looking to get off the beaten >trail. > >I have most of the doormobile accesories. Instead of the the tall and short >cabinets in the back I have two short ones. I have the original stove and sink >in one of them. Somewhere in its life, a second fuel tank was added in place >of the propane tank for the stove. I also has a Chevy 6, and I've added an OD. > >My next project (in the middle of funding pains) is to upgrade the brake >system to Series III status i.e. vacum assist and SIII master cylinder. So far >I've been pick Teriann's brain and have managed to locate the vacum assist >drum and peddlebox. The '67 109 6-cylinder station wagons I've owned had vaccuum-boosted brakes but with a remote-located vaccuum booster (located where the battery would be on a 4-cylinder Land-Rover, the battery in the sixes being located under the driver's seat). This set-up did not, however, have the dual-circuit braking system. If you don't have vaccuum assist and this is mainly what you are after, you might look at simply adding the remotely mounted booster. Would probably be a lot simpler. To upgrade to the Series III 109's system, I think you'll have to get the parts needed from a U.K. breaker, such as Famous Four or PRB services and that should pose no difficulty (Series III 109s were not sold in the U.S.). >I've been following the Paradise trip discussion. I would love to go and if I >can juggle a business trip and family plans abit I will try. Look forward to >meeting a few Rover folks, Hope you make it to Paradise; will look forward to meeting you! Hope you'll also go to the Portland All-Brit Field Leak on Labor Day Weekend. There should be at least four, maybe five Dormobiles there--in addition to yours--the four that TeriAnn mentioned plus another possible from Gord'n Perrott from Seattle (his would most likely not have the folding beds and cabinets because he just got the top from me last year). Granville B. Pool, Redwood Valley, North California, USA Several old Land-Rovers and other dubiously collectible vehicles (707)485-7220 Home; (707)463-4265 Work ------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 10:45:55 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Pair-O-Dice Lost ETA Sue and Bob: ETA? Good question (To quote Jim). I talked to my supervisor this morning and played the game of acting like I was giving back some vacation time (that I knew I'd not likley get anyway) to accrue reasonable assurance that I'd be able to take off the Friday all day (the 28th). If this works and if I can get my Land-Rover ready in time and all my stuff packed, I might come over Thursday night or Friday morning. But if I'm not ready (as I usually'm not), I'll come Friday night some time, as though I'd had to work. Gonna really try, though, really diligently, to come early. Will keep you posted. Anybody else think she and/or he might be getting Friday off and going early? Having someone[s] to convoy with might make me try harder to meet a schedule. Eh? Granville ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 00:09:18 -0700 From: cyoungso@Direct.CA (Chris Youngson) Subject: New Subscriber Hi there! My name is Chris Youngson and I hail from Vancouver, BC. I've been on the LRO@Team.net list for several monthes now. Just thought I'd like to here whats going on more locally. I was at the PIR meet last year and thought it was great. I hope to attend this year as well. My truck is a 1965 109 3 door in limestone. 73 ------------------------------------ From: "John R. Benham" Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 10:57:42 +1100 Subject: Re: correction John Hess writes: > You're right! Of course, the difference between a trash can and a wash > basin is cold water up to the arm pit to get the last beer. Another idea > is stock watering basins from a chain store like Homebase. These are > circular or elongated galvanized tubs that are about 2 feet high. If I got > a 5 foot elongated tub, I could put a jacuzzi in the dormobile! > > Seeya in Portland > > John Hess, PhD Phone me 916 752 8420 > Dept of Cell Bio. and Hum. Anat. FAX me (ask first or I may get in trouble)* > University of Calif > Davis, CA Email me jfhess@ucdavis.edu > > *You think I joke. I was just told by department staff that my one page > Mendocino Brewery newsletter is personal and must be changed to home > delivery. > > John, No, no, no... you've got it all wrong! Go ahead and get the bovine watering trough, but just fill it with all the beer that shows up and have the Rover owners kneel and drink! Now that will be the `talk-of-the-town' and definitely contrast the hi-brow Jaguar cocktail party!!! Talk about `Rover Owner Bonding'! As to `Newsletters', work looks the other way on club type stuff (non-profit) and they let me use the copy machine after hours. Hence, no charge on the `Rover Runner' except postage! Later, John R. Benham - Editor N.3616 Dowdy Road `The Rover Runner' Spokane, WA 99204 USA ______ |______\_____ 1968 88 IIA Marine Blue *--- [|_/-\____/-\_|} The `BWANA' Mobile *--- (O) (O) 509.747.0692 (H); 509.353.2700 (W); E-Mail: benham@wfoclan.usbm.gov ------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 11:10:31 -0700 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Re: New Subscriber You wrote: > >Hi there! My name is Chris Youngson and I hail from Vancouver, BC. I've been >on the >LRO@Team.net list for several monthes now. Just thought I'd like to here >whats going >on more locally. I was at the PIR meet last year and thought it was great. I >hope to >attend this year as well. My truck is a 1965 109 3 door in limestone. 73 > > Welcome, Eh Glad to have another Canadian on the list :) (I was born in Vancouver and visit from time to time; a beautiful place.). What's the mileage on your '65 109? I'm "restoring" a '65 5 door 109. I assume you have the original 2.25 l engine - petrol? Cheers, Jeremy Bartlett D90 '94 SIIA 109 SW '65 P.S. Do you have Octopus's tel. number handy? ------------------------------------ From: "Dale W. Avery" Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 11:05:01 +1100 Subject: Re: New Subscriber Hello Chris! Hope to meet you at PIR. Hope to have a LR of my own by then! By the way you signed your note (73), I would guess that you are also a fellow ham. C U soon Dale Avery KC7mm and Rand Rover ('89 Mazda 4x4 PU) ------------------------------------ From: DANCSC@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 14:28:16 -0400 Subject: Dan of Rosa says... hey friends! Last night at the Old Vic (now with outside seating)I met a fella named Geoff Mckinlay, he was wearing an old BP tee shirt, the one with the 109,and rhino on the back... anyway, he's just moved to Rosa, and is the proud owner of a frame-up restoration 1964 88. Did it all himself I understand.It is the pastel green variety, he has all 3 tops, and is interested in joining us on the Pair O' Dice playtime, and as well cruise with to the Portland shindig, he has a little MacIntosh he says, and will be looking to get on line in light of the earfull I gave him last night about this little group. Granville, I was wondering if you'll be available this weekend, I still have not heard from Matt of Napa, but I will be calling him this morning... If you're free I would love to come up and see your Land Rover pile. Mine seems to be running okay, I just plug her in at night, and it looks like we're going to have a bright sunny weekend, perfect for a chap like me. Let me know what your plans are, I'm looking forward to meeting you (plus testing the limits of my Rover since the tranny transplant, I haven't had a chance to drive her very far from home yet...) Gotta Run, Yes, I'll have a bit of the Eye of the Hawk on board. Dan of Rosa ------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 11:49:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Morgan Hannaford Subject: One more Dormobile + Paradise Hey John, don't count your Dormobiles too soon. There is a 1968 Dormobile now located in Concord owned by Eric and Anne Mills. This rig is really neat, it is a 4-cyl. job and has FACTORY AIR CONDITIONING, yeah you got it GENUINE! Anyway, they recently bought this Rover through Scotty and took it down to Baja with the Sniveller crew as their first major outing. Pretty balsy if you ask me. They will be coming to PODLNAR (Pair-o-dice- lost-not-a-rallye), probably convoying with me around noonish on Friday. Sue and Bob, I'll likely be rolling in before 5pm on Friday. I know there is alot of folks coming. Here is my "know" list of folks not on the net: Matt Francis (Napa) Eric & Anne Mills (Concord) Gordon Callio (maybe Sonoma) Glen (likely Benecia) John Mitchell (maybe St. Helena) My suggestion, from our experience with the JLMNFnaR is locate the base camp where folks can get to it alone, with poor navigation skills, maybe even in the dark. Remember the Cope's and Jimmy P.'s grand, wee hour entrances? Cheers, Morgan ------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 12:58:03 -0700 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Re: One more Dormobile + Paradise You wrote: > > >Hey John, don't count your Dormobiles too soon. There is a 1968 Dormobile >now located in Concord owned by Eric and Anne Mills. What's going on here? I thought Dormobiles were rare. There seem to be more of them than standard IIAs in our group :) Cheers, Jeremy ------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 13:23:31 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Re: Dan of Rosa says... >Granville, I was wondering if you'll be available this weekend, I still have >not heard from Matt of Napa, but I will be calling him this morning... If >you're free I would love to come up and see your Land Rover pile. [snip] >Gotta Run, Yes, I'll have a bit of the Eye of the Hawk on board. Dan, Yes, this weekend would be the perfect time to come up. I'll be mostly around home, working on my Land-Rover. Saturday would be best because SWMBO will be out of town :^] A bit of eye o da hawk will always be welcome on the old homestead. Sunday sometime (usually fairly late) I have to go into town to do the weekly cleaning and maintenance on our victorian office building. Bring Geoff Mckinlay along. ------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 13:32:37 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Re: One more Dormobile + Paradise Wow, Morgan, this is cool!! >Hey John, don't count your Dormobiles too soon. There is a 1968 Dormobile >now located in Concord owned by Eric and Anne Mills. This rig is really >neat, it is a 4-cyl. job and has FACTORY AIR CONDITIONING, yeah you got it >GENUINE! Anyway, they recently bought this Rover through Scotty and >took it down to Baja with the Sniveller crew as their first major outing. >Pretty balsy if you ask me. They will be coming to PODLNAR (Pair-o-dice- >lost-not-a-rallye), probably convoying with me around noonish on Friday. I have a copy of Gordon's "brochure" on that Baja trip and so have seen pics of that Dormobile and it is a beaut! >Sue and Bob, I'll likely be rolling in before 5pm on Friday. Sounds like we'll be heading over at about the same time; want to meet up at Granzella's in Williams? Granville ------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 13:53:07 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Re: One more Dormobile + Paradise Jeremy is perplexed (and growing skeptical): >What's going on here? I thought Dormobiles were rare. There seem to >be more of them than standard IIAs in our group :) If all these show up at the PABFM, just imagine the impact! Nobody would believe how rare they are, not even Martin Walters. Granville ------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 95 12:00:15 PDT From: rlarson@lsil.com (Rick Larson) Subject: Panimint Trip (long) (Re: Medium Difficulty Sierra Trails?) > >Where in the Panamints have you been? >Kelly Minnick > We based camped just outside Ballarat in Panamint Valley. Mid Febuary and the weather was perfect for camping (while at least for the first 3 nights.) We had 8 vehicles in our group. Most of whom never had 4x4'ed with each other. At least one had no experience, 2 had years of experience. George who had been in the Panamints a couple times lead the way. Since we wanted to get a better handle on the groups ability and dynamics we choose an easy run up Pleasant Canyon for the first day. We had a good time exploring some of the mining ruins and old cabins. We had wanted to try the loop down (Is it South Park Canyon?) that Ballarat Don(?) told us about but ran into the snow line. After we winched George out we called it a day and headed back to camp. The snow line was pretty high, about 4000ft+, so we did have a good day long run and got everyone into 4x4 mode, 4 wheel drive low, air'ed down etc. Next day did the run up through Goler Canyon, through the pass, and down into Death Valley. Along the way we stopped at Charlies' ( Charles Manson's ) house and delivered mail from Ballarat to one of the residents in Death Valley. The roads were all in good condition and there was only one small semi-technical section. We had a major mechanical failure on one of the Jeep Wrangers on a little hill climb to a view spot right before entering Death Valley National Park. The bolts that held his rear axle U-Joint to his differential sheared off. Roller bearings went everywhere. (Note: he had to much speed up the hill and got a tire airborn. No locker, so it rev'd up. When it came down and got traction something had to give....) Anyway, we winched him up the hill and spent a couple hours there removing the sheared bolts, disassembling the front axle, using those parts to reassemble the rear axle so he could get out on rear wheel drive. We than raced through death valley to catch the sunset over the mountains from the valley floor. Incredible. We then decided to highway back to our base camp. Dinner and refuling in Furnace Creek. The next day we 3 of the vehicles headed back to civilization and the rest of us were aching for some more technical trails. We headed over to Suprise Canyon, not expecting to complete the run, but just wanting to check it out. Without to much difficulty we made it up to the first water fall. The drive was essentially up a small, but flowing, stream and was a lot of fun. Most of the drive was with one sides wheels in the stream, the other side 2 feet or more higher on the stream bank. At one point trying to switch from one bank to the other I managed to get the D90 so hung up I couldn't get the door closed due to frame flex. Real life lesson on wheel travel limits and the reasoning behind locking differentials. (My friends Jeep, with less travel, but a rear locker cruised through the section.) First thing I did, back in civilization was order lockers. You really have to go there to understand. The first water fall is an 8 to 10 foot, near vertical, wet, rock wall. That anyone can get a vehicle of any kind up and over it is amazing. There are tire marks ( and paint streaks, and exhaust parts, ) further up the stream to prove they do though. We also found a couple of the bored woles were pipes are inserted in the Canyon's rock walls to provide winch anchor points. Amazing..... I wasn't that difficult to get to the first waterfall. If one takes one time and uses spotter I'd say almost and 4x4 and certainly any Land Rover can make it. The Canyon is beautiful and the water falls in the middle of this "trail" have to be checked out to be believed. I think there are six in all. We had lunch and hiked up the Canyon a bit. We've vowed to go back and do the water falls but are probably a couple years of modications away from doing so. (Big winches, dual batteries, front/rear lockers, really low range, more winching experience, etc) That afternoon we checked out some of the other Canyons but nothing real exciting. Came back to camp to find that the wind had picked up and and started to blow stuff through the desert. My tent was hung up on some sage brush 200 yards from where I had staked it down 3 days before. Since this was to be our last night we decided to bail to a motel rather than deal with the 30mph winds. The next day was just a travel day anyway. Great trip. Highly recommended area to go exploring. Miles and miles of off road trails. I saw a LCLR trip scheduled. I hope I can make it. -Rick Richard Larson LSI Logic Corporation (408) 433-7149 ------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 95 18:28 EST From: Biosource <0003479098@mcimail.com> Subject: RR console heat problem. To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net Thanks to everyone for the advice on the missing problem in a 90 Range Rover. Problem #2 is heat coming through the center console into the passenger compartment. It is especially irritating on very hot days. Is this normal for a Range Rover, or was someone mucking around underneath with the heat shielding? Also, is there a market for used three-spoke factory alloy wheels off my 90? I put on a set of 95 five-spoke cyclones and will part with the old wheels for any reasonable offer (or will trade for factory running boards). Regards, Guy della-Cioppa Vacaville, California 90 Range Rover (Beluga Black, of course) 707-446-8461 Biosource@mcimail.com Guy_dell@aol.com ------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 21:00:25 -0700 From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Hi-Lift/Jackall source? Okay, after 5+ flat tires in the last couple of weeks (some of which are courtesy of a neighbor who expressed distaste for a Land Rover in *their* parking spot (legal, free-for-all spot on the street in front of their house) with the application of nails), and being tired of dealing with a wimpy bottle jack, I've decided I need a high-lift type jack. From what I've read, I think I prefer the Jackall, but I'd settle for a High-Lift brand one as well. I want the 60" one, though, not the 48". So, anyone know where to get one affordably in the bay area? (Or better yet, have one for sale? Maybe I should contact Taylor and see if he has an extra...) Thanks in advance! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California ------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 21:00:12 -0700 From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: GPS news group... > >There's been a lot of talk on this group lately about the Garmin GPS45 > > Seems to me that about half the postings on the list are about the Garmin > and have been for many months. I'd not heard of it before. My friend the sailor (who's wife works at West Marine -- Nancy, in the Palo Alto store) like Garmin much better than Magellan, which is about the same price. From what I've seen/read, I agree with him. FWIW. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California ------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 21:18:55 -0700 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Re: Hi-Lift/Jackall source? You wrote: > >Okay, after 5+ flat tires in the last couple of weeks (some of which are >courtesy of a neighbor who expressed distaste for a Land Rover in *their* >parking spot (legal, free-for-all spot on the street in front of their house) >with the application of nails), Roger you need a hi-lynch not a hi-lift :o! Or is it time for a Joe Lucas Land Rover Lynch Party? cheers, Jeremy ------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 21:32:08 -0700 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Dormobile Rarity Ok. As I've mentioned before I've become skeptical of the rarity of Dormobiles due to the recent influx to the LCLRL :) But now I'm just about convinced they're common since this evening I located one in Berkeley. Maybe more on this later. Cheers, Jeremy ------------------------------------ Subject: Notes from the Admin Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 22:06:38 -0700 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Well, we've been growing in popularity lately. Since we were posted on the main list, I've gotten 5 or 6 requests to join our forum. A few minutes ago, I added person number 50. Ben ------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 22:37:25 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Re: Notes from the Admin Ben, We've said it before but it bears repeating: Thanks many metric tonnes for all you've done for us!! We're seriously addicted now and would suffer terminal withdrawals if you cut us off. Therefore, I think the time is ripe for you to start charging us for this drug we call the Left-Coast Rover-Net. Seriously, if there's ever a danger of losing this list due to the costs it imposes on the system, don't hesitate to ask for some help! I've seen other listservers do it from time to time. > Well, we've been growing in popularity lately. Since we were posted >on the main list, I've gotten 5 or 6 requests to join our forum. A few >minutes ago, I added person number 50. We're bad! I'm again starting to use my sig. files, from time to time, because of the frequency of new flyers' joining the list. We can no longer just sign "Jim" or "John" and expect everyone to know who we are! Cheers, Granville B. Pool, Redwood Valley, CA (707)485-7220 (home) (707)463-4265 (work) Land-Rover Series III 88", more Land-Rovers, Austin Champ Military 4x4... ------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 95 18:28 EST From: Biosource <0003479098@mcimail.com> Subject: RR console heat problem. To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net Thanks to everyone for the advice on the missing problem in a 90 Range Rover. Problem #2 is heat coming through the center console into the passenger compartment. It is especially irritating on very hot days. Is this normal for a Range Rover, or was someone mucking around underneath with the heat shielding? Also, is there a market for used three-spoke factory alloy wheels off my 90? I put on a set of 95 five-spoke cyclones and will part with the old wheels for any reasonable offer (or will trade for factory running boards). Regards, Guy della-Cioppa Vacaville, California 90 Range Rover (Beluga Black, of course) 707-446-8461 Biosource@mcimail.com Guy_dell@aol.com ------------------------------------ End of Digest