From: mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us Subject: Digest for Mendo_Recce: 7/13/1995 Errors-To: owner-mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us Reply-To: mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us Precedence: bulk This is the digest for the mendo_recce Land Rover mailling list ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 14:51:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Morgan Hannaford Subject: This months magazine scene Howdy all, Magazine scene is pretty good this month. LRO has a review of the U.S. spec D90. It is nice to see they envy what we "can" get, although I think the Tdi should be brought over. Several U.S. 4x4 rags have Warn Challenge stuff. Lots of Land Rovers to be seen, and some Unimogs (boy are those things ugly). They all seem to give the most coverage to the good 'ol boys that entered three styled Broncos. Oh ya, they did lead for a few days until the strain of such yahoo driving finally put one rig (you can't tell which one because they match, oh so cute) out of service. One of the rags has some stuff on the Mercedes Fun Mog, presumably the little bro of Uni- For $100K it had better go off road good! They do brag about how Unimogs maintain the best climbing (110%) and wading (4ft) characteristics and have a 42degree side-slope operating ability. Oh more fodder for Granville and Michael to drum up when we get our 25+ year old Land-Rovers in a bind out on the trail; say when are you guys going to get a Land-Rover out on the trail???? The coolest magazine shot I saw this month was when I was waiting for my new tires to be put on. I believe it was "street rod" or "mini-truck" something-or-other, anyway it was an add for Champion spark plug's new truck plug- and it showed an old Series 1 plugging through the slop with text saying something like "[built as tough as your truck]". On other notes, it is interesting the schizm between the L-R folks on the net and those not. I met Gordon Callio, Eric McKay, John Kirn, Dom and a few others of the "Sniveller" crew two weekends ago at UncleBrad's casa. Anyway, these chaps are definately the off-road type but seemed quite uncertain about attending Joe Lucas' upcoming events (e.g. Paradise). Apparently the lack of information that we take for granted on our daily exchange of prose is the basis for non-net folks never showing up to Joe's shindigs. I also think the word is out that we like to beat the shit out of our rigs........no, who would do such a thing. Anyway, I twisted some arms and I think Gordon Callio and Eric ? (has a nice Dormobile and a 109 standard {for sale}) are going to make it. Lastly, I was just given an 88" Safari Top (sorry Jim, a delux Station Wagon roof). Other than a few dents and needing paint the outside is very nice. The headliner is a gonner, does anyone know if these pieces (front and back) can be bought or is it just the material? I'm no tailor so I doubt I could sew one up. The sun sheet is in decent shape, after I straighten one side and pound out one of the vent domes. Is it difficult to remove and refit the alpine windows (for painting purposes)? Hey, it was free!!!! Cheerio, Morgan ------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 15:19:58 -0700 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Re: bryan's 88 - WHITE COOLANT !! ?? You wrote: > >OK gang, here's my report. Antifreeze was >milky white green in radiator and dripped from somewhere (see above/walt). OH OH! WARNING! Pay very close attention to this one Dale! When I checked the radiator the day before when there was no leak and the antifreeze was clear green as it should be. MILKY WHITE suggest a leak that is allowing something in there that shouldn't be there. A cracked block???? Help me on this diagnosis guys; I think this is important. Walt you said the cold compression readings were lower at the front pistons? I'm begining to think this is related to the radiator coolant discoloration and the impression of poorer power. Might something be poorly torqued or cracked up front allowing the leak and accounting for the coolant discoloration? It sounds like no one else test drove it. Too bad I was hoping Jim could deny or confirm my impressions on poor power. I'm now suspicious of the engine. I'd definitely hold off on this one until the engine gets a thorough check out by someone like Scotty. Cheers, Jeremy P.S. John. I agree with your interior and tech. observations. FYI a lot of that oil leakage was due to front and rear crankshaft seal failure. There seemed to be some coming from the transfer and overdrive housings too though. If you want info. on the drive performance let me know or better yet get Dale to forward a copy of the detailed info. I sent him. P.P.S. I didn't check the tie rods. Did anyone else? ------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 15:32:11 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Re: This months magazine scene Hey, Mo, Long time no hear from! >Oh more fodder for Granville and Michael to drum up when we get our >25+ year old Land-Rovers in a bind out on the trail; say when are you >guys going to get a Land-Rover out on the trail???? I'm working on it; really! And Michael's got an Unimog in transit from Europe but still thinking about a Land-Rover (for dessert?). >On other notes, it is interesting the schizm between the L-R folks on the >net and those not. I met Gordon Callio, Eric McKay, John Kirn, Dom and a >few others of the "Sniveller" crew two weekends ago at UncleBrad's casa. >Anyway, these chaps are definately the off-road type but seemed quite >uncertain about attending Joe Lucas' upcoming events (e.g. Paradise). >Apparently the lack of information that we take for granted on our daily >exchange of prose is the basis for non-net folks never showing up to Joe's >shindigs. I also think the word is out that we like to beat the shit out >of our rigs........no, who would do such a thing. Anyway, I twisted some >arms and I think Gordon Callio and Eric ? (has a nice Dormobile and a >109 standard {for sale}) are going to make it. I've been trying for years to get these guys wired (O.K., months). Kirn says he can't even operate an answering machine and so considers computers outside his feasible set (not his exact words). Kallio says he'll be wired sometime soon. His company has put clients on the Internet and yet is not on the net itself. He knows it should be and that he should be. I really do hope Gordy gets on soon because we can do a lot toward bringing the two "factions" together if we can communicate a little more readily (I see him as a major link). I would really like to meet Eric McKay; do hope he and Cap'n Camo will make it to P-lost. >Lastly, I was just given an 88" Safari Top (sorry Jim, a delux Station Wagon >roof). Other than a few dents and needing paint the outside is very nice. >The headliner is a gonner, does anyone know if these pieces (front and back) >can be bought or is it just the material? I'm no tailor so I doubt I could >sew one up. The sun sheet is in decent shape, after I straighten one side >and pound out one of the vent domes. Is it difficult to remove and refit >the alpine windows (for painting purposes)? Hey, it was free!!!! That roof was a serious score! Last time I looked, you could get the complete headliner set (two sections). Removing the alpine lights is easy, just peal out the narrow filler strip that is in the center (between glass and metal) of the rubber mounting grommet. Then the mounting grommet is loose enough in the hole so that you can push out the top edge of the glass (good idea to have someone outside waiting to hold the glass as it comes out. While you're taking it all apart to paint it, you'll want to replace all the little rubber grommets on the nylon mounting posts (well, at least the newer ones are nylon) and the seals around the vents as well as the rubber around the alpine lights. All should be available from BP or RN. Good to hear from you (even if you DO poke fun at me)! Granville ------------------------------------ Subject: DMV Testing (was Re: This months magazine scene ) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 16:35:30 -0700 From: Benjamin Allan Smith In message <199507102321.QAA04169@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us>you wrote: > Considering how bad some cars I see on the road are, I wouldn't > be opposed to a mandatory US MOT style test. It would force people to fix > their cars or get them off the road. It varies from state to state. In Califoria, all the DMV wanted to know was what came out the tail pipe and whether the all the stock emmissions equipment was fitted. In NJ, however, they look a lot more things. (in nor particular order) 1. Mirrors (need to exist and be undamaged) 2. Headlights (need to be correctly aimed and functional) 3. Running lights/turn signals/brake lights 4. Brakes (check that they all work and work evenly) 5. Emergency brake (check that it will kill the engine in first gear) 6. Emissions--comprable to CA emmissions levels 7. Check for leaks in exhaust pipe. I recal that NY was similar. ------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 17:48:35 +0100 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: This months magazine scene Morgan, >Several U.S. 4x4 rags have Warn Challenge stuff. Lots of Land Rovers >to be seen, and some Unimogs (boy are those things ugly). >One of the rags has some stuff on the Mercedes Fun Mog, presumably the >little bro of Uni- For $100K it had better go off road good! They do >brag about how Unimogs maintain the best climbing (110%) and wading (4ft) >characteristics and have a 42degree side-slope operating ability. Now Morgan, you're teasing me on the verge of cruelty when you spot an article or photo about an Unimog (even a Fun Mog) and don't specifically tell me which magazine and issue it was in. So before I bust, or finger through every issue at Barnes & Noble or Tower Records this next week, please take a moment and think back to what magazines they might have been and relieve me of this stress *:) >Oh more fodder for Granville and Michael to drum up when we get our >25+ year old Land-Rovers in a bind out on the trail; say when are you >guys going to get a Land-Rover out on the trail???? Geees Granville, the pressure is on for you to bring your Series III to Paradise in running condition and risk it in the natural elements. Of course now all those silly storms have ceased, the glaciers have melted, and the floods have rescinded leaving the tuff challenges of clean air and sunshine ahead (Always willing to join in the cheering section, he he). PS- Congrad's Morgan on your safari roof score, just in time to have a new summer hat! Michael Carradine Carradine Studios cs@crl.com Architect Architecture Development Planning Pgr 510-945-5000 NCARB RIBA PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA Ph/Fax 510-988-0900 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page at: http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html ------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 19:01:39 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Re: DMV Testing (was Re: This months magazine scene ) Ben sez: > In NJ, however, they look a lot more things. (in nor particular order) > >1. Mirrors (need to exist and be undamaged) >2. Headlights (need to be correctly aimed and functional) >3. Running lights/turn signals/brake lights >4. Brakes (check that they all work and work evenly) >5. Emergency brake (check that it will kill the engine in first gear) >6. Emissions--comprable to CA emmissions levels >7. Check for leaks in exhaust pipe. > > I recal that NY was similar. California used to have all that at spot roadside checks, usually strategically placed so you just about couldn't avoid them. They checked for loud exhaust, too. Used to be my worst nightmare when I was driving my XK-150 which had Lucas PL-700 headlamps (with the three spokes supporting the bulb shield, a la P-100 but smaller) and illegal Lucas Fogs, as well as rather loud pipes (twin 36" glasspacks). Cheers, Granville ------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 19:09:01 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Re: This months magazine scene TeriAnn asks: >For the unenlightened, pray tell what is a sniveller crew?? > >> I also think the word is out that we like to beat the shit out >> of our rigs........no, who would do such a thing. As one of the original snivellers, I think I can answer this one (as I also did in my first Mendocino Forest Scouting Outing story). This is a title that Gordon Kallio (before he'd become known as Captain Camo) coined following the first Mendocino Forest Rallye in 1989, in reference to those who participated (Gordon Kallio, Dick Hamilton, Lynn Helm, Domingos Dias, John Kirn, and moi). I think it grew out of all the whining that seemed an integral part of the outing, due in part to the presence of an all-day snow storm on Memorial Day weekend that I loved but that was not exactly a big hit with the desert crowd. Since then, it has come to refer to the hard-core desert group (which definitely does not include me). Cheers, Granville ------------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jul 1994 20:19:07 -0700 From: jfhess@ucdavis.edu (john hess) Subject: phone numbers and weather stripping Hooray! Saturday I finished the last piece of weatherstripping I am going to replace for a while. Since the purchase of the DM, I slowly replaced old pieces with new, drilling out the rivets, putting a bead of 50 year silicone sealant down then putting in the new piece. The process would have been a whole lot easier IF THE HOLES HAD LINED UP. It seemed like every piece of rubber had to be drilled 4 times for new pop rivets. I would drill a small pilot hole, the a larger hole that was big enough for the rivet. BTW the silicone is really nice stuff that peals off easily and is not like a caulk. I wanted to keep water from getting behind the weather stripping and the capillarying (not a real word?) into bad spots. I know now that the lower rear door piece (that angles just in front of the wheel well) I put on backward. I put the new piece on the way the old piece was but it sticks out and doesn't look right. However, for now it stays. Now, about phone numbers, on sunday, walt and I showed up at bryans much earlier than expected. we were fortunate enough to use the time to look at the rover, but when we tried to contact either Jim Russell or Michael Carradine, we didn't have home phone numbers. I know I'm guilty of not putting a home phone on my sig file but maybe the No.Cal folks would like to post home phone numbers? I for one would put them in my newt* (it already has email addresses in it). Any comments? If anyone objects that's fine, but if you don't mind, post your home phone some day or email me so I can fill up my newts brain. BTW I'm in the phone book in davis, or information should be able to help you. *apple newton messagepad. john katherine and alex hess 916 753 2970 (home) PS. the phone number for Hi Lift, posted by Michael Carradine has been discinnected. Thanks for trying Michael. I got 812 384 4441 from information. john f hess phd (wow, really?) jfhess@ucdavis.edu from home via modem Land- -Rover, Sunbeam Tiger and Mazda owner! ------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 22:59:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Russell Subject: Re: This months magazine scene Yo, Morgan, I saw that Champion ad and thought it spectacular. Let me know when you are in the neighborhood and we'll grab a pint or two. You hear from Vance lately? His email working? Gotta run for now. Later... Jim Russell ==== jrussell@netcom.com (Seattle -- San Francisco) ------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 23:23:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Russell Subject: Non net folk... As to Rover bashing... I am not into Rover bashing. In fact, I am not even really a recreational four wheeler. I do like to go some places and the Rover and four wheel drive enable me to get to some that I otherwise wouldn't be able to visit. Sure, I like some of the off road work but, really, for me that is more a means to other ends. I am definately not into bashing my vehicle. Nor do I really want to routinely drown the poor little guy. In fact, come Paridise, I plan to be right conservative since, as I have said, I _have_ to have it operational in order to go to Portland and Seattle come the first of September. It is that way with daily drivers and only cars. Besides, I have an uneasy feeling the springs won't be done by Paridise anyway. I would agree that we have the luxury of near real time communications at all times and the exchange of information is very easy. So much so that we take it for granted. We assume that everyne who is interested reads their mail and kind of forget about those who are't on the net. Of course the reason we "invented" all of this was because we hadn't heard from them either. So, I guess this means that Mo is volunteering to become the liason guy with the non net-group, right? Jim Russell ==== jrussell@netcom.com (Seattle -- San Francisco) ------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 08:43:57 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Re: Non net folk... Quoth J. Russell: [snip] >their mail and kind of forget about those who are't on the net. Of course >the reason we "invented" all of this was because we hadn't heard from them >either. So, I guess this means that Mo is volunteering to become the >liason guy with the non net-group, right? I'm hoping that Gordon will make good on his pledge to get wired and help perform this service. He seems to want to. And then there's Brad who has long been wired and is routinely in contact with the more active of the non-wired; right Brad? You have been spreading the word about all our machinations to the e-mail-impaired. Hunh, Brad? I, too, have tried (albeit a bit feebly) and to little effect. Cheers, Granville ------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 08:42:08 -0700 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Re: phone numbers and weather stripping You wrote: > >Hooray! > >Saturday I finished the last piece of weatherstripping I am going to >replace for a while. Since the purchase of the DM, I slowly replaced old >pieces with new, drilling out the rivets, putting a bead of 50 year >silicone sealant down then putting in the new piece. The process would >have been a whole lot easier IF THE HOLES HAD LINED UP. It seemed like >every piece of rubber had to be drilled 4 times for new pop rivets. I >would drill a small pilot hole, the a larger hole that was big enough for >the rivet. BTW the silicone is really nice stuff that peals off easily and >is not like a caulk. I wanted to keep water from getting behind the >weather stripping and the capillarying (not a real word?) into bad spots. >I know now that the lower rear door piece (that angles just in front of the >wheel well) I put on backward. I put the new piece on the way the old >piece was but it sticks out and doesn't look right. However, for now it >stays. > Wicking ? Anyway, I'm looking at redoing the seals along all of my 109 and was wondering what you were using. Did you use the genuine parts strips with the metal reinforcement or aftermarket ones/continuous strip? I'd be interested in where you purchased them if not from RN or BP. Cheers, Jeremy ------------------------------------ From: "John R. Benham" Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 08:49:24 +1100 Subject: Re: Non net folk... Jim writes: > I would agree that we have the luxury of near real time communications at > all times and the exchange of information is very easy. So much so that > we take it for granted. We assume that everyne who is interested reads > their mail and kind of forget about those who are't on the net. Of course > the reason we "invented" all of this was because we hadn't heard from them > either. So, I guess this means that Mo is volunteering to become the > liason guy with the non net-group, right? > > Jim Russell ==== jrussell@netcom.com > (Seattle -- San Francisco) Jim, Are we inventing a new stigma for Land Rover owners who are NOT on the NET? "Well, ... not only does he have rust on his wheels, but he is a NON-NETTER!" Is this the new Albatross around a computerless Rover owners neck? Humor from the Northwest, John R. Benham - Editor N.3616 Dowdy Road `The Rover Runner' Spokane, WA 99204 USA ______ |______\_____ 1968 88 IIA Marine Blue *--- [|_/-\____/-\_|} The `BWANA' Mobile *--- (O) (O) 509.747.0692 (H); 509.353.2700 (W); E-Mail: benham@wfoclan.usbm.gov ------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 95 09:20:25 -0700 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Subject: Re: phone numbers and weather stripping In message <199507111545.IAA19864@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us> Jeremy Bartlett writes: > You wrote: > > > >Hooray! > > > >Saturday I finished the last piece of weatherstripping > > Anyway, I'm looking at redoing the seals along all of my 109 and was > wondering > what you were using. Did you use the genuine parts strips with the metal > reinforcement or aftermarket ones/continuous strip? I'd be interested in > where > you purchased them if not from RN or BP. > > Cheers, > > Jeremy Jeremy I purchased a complete set of genuine Land Rover weather stripping for my 109 from Merseyside. They had genuine and a nongenuine replacement without metal backing. The genuine stuff came pre-bent and individually packaged and cost me less than half what it would have cost from Rover's North. Of course now after getting it I decided not to put it on until after the Green Rover is painted. You may consider this as part of your UK order TeriAnn Wakeman .sig closed for remodeling twakeman@apple.com ------------------------------------ From: "Mugele, Gerry" Cc: "'PCLRO'" Subject: Carrying Jax Date: Tue, 11 Jul 95 09:52:00 PDT Hi John, Been reading the stuff on how to carry your Hi-lift. When I first got my jack I was seriously consternated about placement. Phred, my 69 88, just didn't have adequate "long places" internally and I was having trouble with things getting removed from the exterior in urban areas. So I built a dog bed/seat on the right wheel well from marine plywood. It had a cushion for the dog ( a 70# malamute) and space for hiding misc. tools including the jack foot and lift mechanism and under the dog seat I had slots where I slid the upright for the jack and the handle. It takes about 2 minutes to assemble the jack. I never got around to making another such device for Gooey but I could never go out without my jack so I wrap the upright and handle in a U-Haul pad and it just lies on the rear floor and sometimes gets used to prop the door open. And since I have two under seat tool boxes the foot and lift mechanism live up front. Most people are totally unaware that there are two jacks aboard. I think procrastination has paid off in this case...I like this method. And I still try to carry as little as possible on the outside for a variety of reasons including theft, weather, road damage. You must have enough space in your rig to stow your jack...just take it apart and stow the pieces. Gerry ------------------------------------ From: "Mugele, Gerry" Cc: "'PCLRO'" Subject: Fone # Date: Tue, 11 Jul 95 10:38:00 PDT Okay John, It is, of course, listed under Ralph Shmiddlapp.....(707) 938-2134. BTW, very nice report on the for sale Rover. I must admit was very curious about that one and your report was very thorough and objective. And I don't NEED another one anyway...but I do want one of those racks. Gerry ------------------------------------ From: "John R. Benham" Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 11:13:20 +1100 Subject: Snorkel Power! Dear LRO's, I recently installed a MANTEC snorkel on my petro Land Rover SIIA SWB. I connected all of the proper ducting, and repositioned the K&N air filter from my Weber single barrel to the snorkel intake. Before snorkel installation, I used just the K&N air filter, not the original oil bath. My home lies off a hill accessed by a road with a 300-foot climb relief west of Spokane. I use this hill for my `beta testing' of engine add-ons to determine any increase of engine power. Normally, I accelerate on the flat grade to 65 mph only to decelerate to 45-50 mph while climbing this hill every day returning from work. Since I have installed the snorkel, I can now climb this hill easily at 55 mph - A 5-10 MPH INCREASE! I have not changed anything else in my engine, power train, or tires. So the additional power must be due to the snorkel. HOW CAN THIS BE? Could this phenomena be due to: 1. A denser cooler air source for the carburetor? 2. Intake air under a positive pressure? (super charger affect) 3. ...or Elvis Presley giving a helping hand to an old Land Rover? Suggestions and comments from others having snorkels welcomed... Thanks, John R. Benham - Editor N.3616 Dowdy Road `The Rover Runner' Spokane, WA 99204 USA ______ |______\_____ 1968 88 IIA Marine Blue *--- [|_/-\____/-\_|} The `BWANA' Mobile *--- (O) (O) 509.747.0692 (H); 509.353.2700 (W); E-Mail: benham@wfoclan.usbm.gov ------------------------------------ From: "Mugele, Gerry" Subject: RE: Snorkel Power! Date: Tue, 11 Jul 95 12:29:00 PDT On Tue, 11 Jul 1995 11:19:19 -0700 John R. Benham" said: >> HOW CAN THIS BE? >> >> Could this phenomena be due to: >> >> 1. A denser cooler air source for the carburetor? >> 2. Intake air under a positive pressure? (super charger affect) >> 3. ...or Elvis Presley giving a helping hand to an old Land Rover? >> >> Suggestions and comments from others having snorkels welcomed... John, I think you have overlooked the Joseph Lucas Infinite Variable Factor. I have noted many similar unexplainable changes in behavior/performance over the years after making some apparently unrelated modification. During the Sierra Playtime run 4th of July weekend I noted that along with peeing bunches of petrol onto the pavement, Gooey's mileage went up. After 4 tanks and nearly 800 miles I calculate an average of 18.34 MPG. This includes the fuel that was dumped on the ground. The only change to Gooey has been the addition of a CB and a tire rotation...and the inflation has been LOW! So why better mileage? I dunno...just the JLIVF I guess. Gerry PS thanks for the LOGs...haven't read 'em all yet but will and then pass 'em on if that's okay with you. ------------------------------------ From: Kelly Minnick Subject: Re: This months magazine scene Date: Tue, 11 Jul 95 13:05:26 PDT Morgan- Only the cloth is available from LR, but it was only $11 a roll. The windows come out easier than they go in. Partly because of old rubber and partly because you don't want to scratch your new paint! I put both mine back in in one evening. If you had the right tool, it would be a real simple job. The safari top, from what I'm told, has only the sunshield. The Tropical top is the one with the alpine windows and air vents. Is this correct? Kelly Minnick ------------------------------------ From: Kelly Minnick Subject: Re: Snorkel Power! Date: Tue, 11 Jul 95 13:26:35 PDT There are some formulas for intake runner length that give max. torque at a give RPM, but I've never heard of anything THAT long! Kelly Minnick ------------------------------------ From: "John R. Benham" mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 14:10:46 +1100 Subject: Re: Snorkel Power! TeriAnn writes: > John, > > I've been thinking about adding a snorkle but have been put off by the kits that > went into the engine compatment through ther bonnet. Is the MANTEC one of those > or is it one that enters through the top of the wing? > > If its the latter, would you mind letting me know where you purchased it and for > how much & the usual contact info? > > How is the snorkle attached to the side of the windscreen? > TeriAnn, Snorkel is from Mantec: Mantec Services 21 Oldbury Road Hartshill, Nuneaton CV10 0TD England VOICE & FAX: 0203 395368 Contact: Neal Gougly (sp?) Price: L110.64 Air: L 40.26 The Mantec design does not go through the bonnet. I drilled a 3" diameter hole on the right top fender. The hole location is critical. It must be behind the fender's support plate but be forward of any heating duck work. There's not much room to work with. Drill it right the first time! The snorkel tube follows the galvanized windscreen frame. One support bracket needs to be redrilled as to fit over the windscreen pivot bolt. As to the second and higher snorkel support, I drilled and tapped two small holes in the galvanized windscreen frame. Mantec is generous with their snorkel tube. I cut off about 10" and used the excess to splice their lead-in flexible tube to the Rovers carb. ductwork. No jury rigging involved - a clean set-up! If you are SERIOUS, I have some photos I sent Mantec showing my installation and I will send them to you. A photo sez it better than I can. Also, I can FAX you what Mantec FAXed me before I purchased. Let me know. Later, John R. Benham - Editor N.3616 Dowdy Road `The Rover Runner' Spokane, WA 99204 USA ______ |______\_____ 1968 88 IIA Marine Blue *--- [|_/-\____/-\_|} The `BWANA' Mobile *--- (O) (O) 509.747.0692 (H); 509.353.2700 (W); E-Mail: benham@wfoclan.usbm.gov ------------------------------------ From: "John R. Benham" Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 14:14:38 +1100 Subject: RE: Snorkel Power! > On Tue, 11 Jul 1995 11:19:19 -0700 > John R. Benham" said: > >> HOW CAN THIS BE? > >> > >> Could this phenomena be due to: > >> > >> 1. A denser cooler air source for the carburetor? > >> 2. Intake air under a positive pressure? (super charger affect) > >> 3. ...or Elvis Presley giving a helping hand to an old Land Rover? > >> > >> Suggestions and comments from others having snorkels welcomed... > > John, I think you have overlooked the Joseph Lucas Infinite Variable Factor. > I have noted many similar unexplainable changes in behavior/performance > over the years after making some apparently unrelated modification. > > During the Sierra Playtime run 4th of July weekend I noted that along with > peeing bunches of petrol onto the pavement, Gooey's mileage went up. After > 4 tanks and nearly 800 miles I calculate an average of 18.34 MPG. This > includes the fuel that was dumped on the ground. The only change to Gooey > has been the addition of a CB and a tire rotation...and the inflation has > been LOW! So why better mileage? I dunno...just the JLIVF I guess. > > Gerry > > PS thanks for the LOGs...haven't read 'em all yet but will and then pass 'em > on if that's okay with you. Gerry, Gee, I didn't think of the CB! Your right, I installed a CB radio during that time! It must have something to do with the dielectric constant of the antenna! Sorry Elvis... John R. Benham - Editor N.3616 Dowdy Road `The Rover Runner' Spokane, WA 99204 USA ______ |______\_____ 1968 88 IIA Marine Blue *--- [|_/-\____/-\_|} The `BWANA' Mobile *--- (O) (O) 509.747.0692 (H); 509.353.2700 (W); E-Mail: benham@wfoclan.usbm.gov ------------------------------------ From: UncleBrad@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 20:00:20 -0400 Subject: Re: Non net folk... [snip]... >And then there's Brad who has long been wired and is routinely in contact with the more active of the non-wired; right Brad? You have been spreading the word about all our machinations to the e-mail-impaired. Hunh, Brad?< Sure I have. Yeah. Of course. Actually I have been doing my best to promote this group as well as the LRO digest. Bob & Sue Bernard are also real good at spreading the word. I tell new folks who call for information (that is several each week). The Paradise run has also been advertised in the Aluminum Workhorse Magazine, Spring issue. (The Summer issue may or may not make it out in time. Our printer went out of business [at just the right time, of course] & we are frantically trying to get hooked up with another.) When it comes to production time I have my hands pretty full. If I could get one of the more enthusiastic of you to do a paragraph or two (or more), every quarter, about what's going on on the net It would help spread the word even more. Any closet journalists out here? See ya! Brad Blevins UncleBrad@aol.com 510-687-1188 ------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 95 17:20:29 PDT From: rlarson@lsil.com (Rick Larson) Subject: Medium Difficulty Sierra Trails? Hi, just a quick intro as I'm new to the list: My name is Rick Larson. I bought a '94 D90 in Jan. this year while I was living in San Diego, CA. Moved up to Los Gatos, CA end of March. I added a Warn 9000lb winch/ARB front bumper and ARB airlockers. A full soft top and 7500 mile check up ate my Spring budget for further modifications. Next up: re-visiting the stock spring rates rocker panel and differential protection So far the D90 has had the opportunity to visit the Panamint Mountains and Death Valley, Anza-Borrego, Hollister and Pismo Dunes. Now that the snow is melting it has been wanting to get in some Sierra off roading experience. I'm on the lookout for some medium difficulty 4x4 trails with decent camping. (The more primitive the better.) Any trail or good Sierra 4x4 guide book recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, -Rick Richard Larson LSI Logic Corporation (408) 433-7149 ------------------------------------ From: DANCSC@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 22:05:03 -0400 Subject: closet journalists. uncle brad wrote.... "Any closet journalists out here?" I've been known to shoot the ol' bull on paper, could I be of service? did you catch my little piece on the steeringwheel juice? I could write about all kinds of stuff. I used to write for the school paper. I know some jokes too. I could write about anything, as long as you don't rat me out to the immigration people. I ain't going back to zimbabwe, I don't care what you say. ------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 19:12:59 -0700 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Re: Medium Difficulty Sierra Trails? You wrote: > >Hi, just a quick intro as I'm new to the list: > >My name is Rick Larson. I bought a '94 D90 in Jan. this year while I was >living in San Diego, CA. Moved up to Los Gatos, CA end of March. > >I added a Warn 9000lb winch/ARB front bumper and ARB airlockers. A full >soft top and 7500 mile check up ate my Spring budget for further modifications. > >Next up: re-visiting the stock spring rates > rocker panel and differential protection > >So far the D90 has had the opportunity to visit the Panamint Mountains and >Death Valley, Anza-Borrego, Hollister and Pismo Dunes. Now that the snow >is melting it has been wanting to get in some Sierra off roading experience. > >I'm on the lookout for some medium difficulty 4x4 trails with decent camping. >(The more primitive the better.) Any trail or good Sierra 4x4 guide book >recommendations would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks, > >-Rick > > Welcome. Mayber we're starting to outnumber operational series vehicles now :). Where did you have the ARB installation done? Re. the Sierra. The forest service maps are a first cut a possibilities although they're not all that accurate when it comes to the "roads". There's a decent guidebook, "Sierra Nevada Byways" by Tony Huegel. The maps are no good for actual driving but it does provide a good source of trails. Get the USGS 7.5' topographic maps if you can for any area your heading into. Another decent source of information is "The California OHV Guidebook" published by the California Department of Parks and Recreation. Try Mendocino National Forest too. Cheers, Jeremy Bartlett D90 '94 SIIA 109 SW '65 ------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 19:16:27 +0100 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: Medium Difficulty Sierra Trails? Richard Larson writes regarding his D90: >I'm on the lookout for some medium difficulty 4x4 trails with decent camping. >(The more primitive the better.) Any trail or good Sierra 4x4 guide book >recommendations would be greatly appreciated. There's a little trail called the Rubicon that Jeepsters rave about, should be medium difficulty for a D90. Starts somewhere near Georgetown (SE of Sacto) going towards Tahoe, with lots of primitive camping. Happy Trails! Michael Carradine Carradine Studios cs@crl.com Architect Architecture Development Planning Pgr 510-945-5000 NCARB RIBA PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA Ph/Fax 510-988-0900 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page at: http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html ------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 20:43:49 +0100 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: This months magazine scene My earlier message was: > Morgan, > >>Several U.S. 4x4 rags have Warn Challenge stuff. Lots of Land Rovers >>to be seen, and some Unimogs (boy are those things ugly). > > Now Morgan, you're teasing me on the verge of cruelty when you spot an > article or photo about an Unimog (even a Fun Mog) and don't specifically > tell me which magazine and issue it was in. So before I bust, or finger > through every issue at Barnes & Noble or Tower Records this next week, > please take a moment and think back to what magazines they might have > been and relieve me of this stress *:) Well Morgan, I couldn't stand it anymore and hoofed it over to Tower Records to find two magazines of recent issue. "Petersen's 4 Wheel & Off-Road", July '95, on page 92 has an article 'Warn Adventure Morocco '95, Kickin' Sand and Takin' Names' with photos of Series and Defender LR's, as well as an Unimog and G-Wagen, etc. in mud, gravel, and sand. Then "Off-Road" magazine, August '95, page 34 describes the 'Fun Mog' illustrating various models including a mock-up prototype design. An interesting read, as are some of the other articles of general interest: '4x4 Waterproofing', 'Which Tire Direction', and an adventure trip 'Up the Backside of California's Big Bear' (sounds like fun!). Thanks for the lead Morgan, I now rest easier. Michael Carradine Carradine Studios cs@crl.com Architect Architecture Development Planning Pgr 510-945-5000 NCARB RIBA PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA Ph/Fax 510-988-0900 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page at: http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html ------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 21:07:35 -0700 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Hollister 7/16 Susan and I are planning on a day trip to Hollister on Sunday the 16th. Anybody else interested in joining in? I'll have a winch etc. for serious play. Cheers, Jeremy ------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 22:26:33 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Re: Non net folk... Good ol' Unca Brad said: >When it comes to production time I have my hands pretty full. If I could get >one of the more enthusiastic of you to do a paragraph or two (or more), every >quarter, about what's going on on the net It would help spread the word even >more. Any closet journalists out here? Well, yeah, sorta... What I'm finding is that as the days got longer my time for any serious writing efforts went out the door, literally. Too many projects this time of year, too little "evening." Guess I'll have to concentrate extra hard on my writing in the darker months (the Lucas time). Thanks for all your efforts. You two too Bob and Sue. See you in the mountains, Granville ------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 22:29:26 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Re: Medium Difficulty Sierra Trails? Michael gives Rick a little advice: > There's a little trail called the Rubicon that Jeepsters rave about, > should be medium difficulty for a D90. Starts somewhere near Georgetown > (SE of Sacto) going towards Tahoe, with lots of primitive camping. That's the one the Defender drivers refer to as the "warm-up loop," isn't it? Georgetown, hmm, that's where my old 109 1-ton lives. Guess I'll have to go and visit it. Cheers, Granville ------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 22:50:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Russell Subject: Re: Snorkel Power! John B... I'm pretty serious about wanting a snorkel too. A couple of questions, though. Right now I am in the process of converting back to the oil bath for my 2 bbl Weber. The gauze filter is just too vulnerable to mud and water (even when I'm not playing river rat). How would the one you installed deal with that or is it designed around the idea of a filter element being installed in the snorkel and nothing else? Maybe if you send the info to TeriAnn I can check it out at Paridise (you are going to Paridise aren't you TeriAnn?). Also, what is the size of the tube? By the way, I don't see that there is any problem with those who aren't wired into the net -- it's those who don't have a satelite uplink that really bother me:) Me, I like northwest humor. Jim Russell ==== jrussell@netcom.com (Seattle -- San Francisco) ------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 22:53:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Russell Subject: Portland! Got my flier for the Portland meet the other day. Who here is thinking about or planning on going? If anyone needs or wants info, let me know and I will try to type up some of it from the flier and post same. Jim Russell ==== jrussell@netcom.com (Seattle -- San Francisco) ------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Portland! Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 23:11:25 -0700 From: Benjamin Allan Smith In message <199507120555.WAA14328@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us>you wrote: > Got my flier for the Portland meet the other day. Who here is thinking > about or planning on going? I'm planning on going. > If anyone needs or wants info, let me know and I will try to type up some > of it from the flier and post same. I'd like a copy. Ben ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 00:58:25 +0100 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: Medium Difficulty Sierra Trails? Cc: mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us Richard Larson, Just gleaned this from the Unimog News Network, it may be of interest to you in locating California State's off-highway parks. __________________________________________________________________ For the Off-Highway challenged, the State of California Department of Parks and Recreation has a WWW page showing its State Vehicular Recreational Areas (SVRA) providing information on address, hours, fee, description, and allowed vehicle types, while also linking to up-to-date weather data for each of six parks listed. In Southern California are Ocotillo Wells, Hungry Valley, and Pismo Dunes; and in Northern California are Hollister, Carnegie, and Prairie City. SVRA's are at http://agency.resource.ca.gov/parks/ohv/default.html __________________________________________________________________ Lightly! Michael Carradine Carradine Studios cs@crl.com Architect Architecture Development Planning Pgr 510-945-5000 NCARB RIBA PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA Ph/Fax 510-988-0900 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page at: http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 01:04:13 +0100 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: More on Off-Highway Trails. Cc: mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us Richard Larson, More information... __________________________________________________________________ For the free map Guide to Off-Highway Vehicle Areas of California, locating some 200 OHV areas statewide write California Off-Highway Motor Vehicle Recreation (OHMVR), Div. of California State Parks & Recreation, 1416 Ninth Street, PO Box 942896, Sacramento, CA 94296 916-653-9072, fax 916-653-2564. Also free are trail guides to the state's seven State Vehicle Recreation Areas (SVRAs). California OHV Guidebook (about 200 pages), with maps and written information to some 100,000 miles of trails throughout California is available for $8.00 (tax and postage included). This division also publishes The Green Sticker Vehicle, a tabloid with information on OHMVR's, SVRAs, and other riding areas funded by the OHV grants program and is available upon request. __________________________________________________________________ Michael Carradine Carradine Studios cs@crl.com Architect Architecture Development Planning Pgr 510-945-5000 NCARB RIBA PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA Ph/Fax 510-988-0900 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page at: http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html ------------------------------------ From: brian.foster@ccmailsmtp.ast.com Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 07:14:54 PST Subject: Re: hi lift holders John- If you didn't already get a reply to this... the HiLift brackets are available from Dick Cepek. Cheers from Ireland, Brian Foster ------------------------------------ From: Kelly Minnick Subject: Re: Medium Difficulty Sierra Trails? Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 7:18:23 PDT Where in the Panamints have you been? Kelly Minnick p.s. Sounds like your vehicle is pretty well set up! ------------------------------------ From: Kelly Minnick Subject: Re: Snorkel Power! Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 7:28:25 PDT Cc: mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us John- Will this snorkel kit fit to the top of the stock oil bath. I have seen modified oil bath (different top shroud) with the snorkel. This is what I'm looking for. The K&N plug up with dirt too easily here in the dusty desert. Later Kelly Minnick ------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jul 1994 08:01:28 -0700 From: jfhess@ucdavis.edu (john hess) Subject: books Thanks to John Benham I checked "overlanding" out of the Davis library. Overlanding, How to explore the world on four wheels, by John Steele Gordon Harper and Row publishers, 1975, isbn 0-06-011610-2 Chapters 1: deciding where to go 2: deciding whom to go with 3: estimating costs 4: the vehicle 5: tools and spare parts 6: equipment 7: photography 8 papers and documentation 9: insurance 10: maps and guidebooks 11 health and medicine 12 the chores 13 staying healthy 14 customs and immigration 15 mail money and help 16 coming home BTW, he thanks british leyland for land rover #25900038A. The book is a quick read and is slightly out of date. It has numerous addresses of helpful organizations, these might have changed. However, an enjoyable read with introductory discussions of parameters one would expect to think about before a long trip. Also included are names of additional books for more help, I may have to check for these at the davis library. He generally is non judgmental about vehicles but does slip in a couple plugs for our favorite. He remarks that the safe in landrovers is not watertight and thus important papers put there should be inside a waterproof bag. He also makes a statement in chapter 14 that has my curiousity piqued. "Land-Rovers have a wonderful hiding place I'm not going to tell you about." What's he talking about? Hiding things in the air cleaner? Ceratinly not under the seats. Any ideas? john f hess phd (wow, really?) jfhess@ucdavis.edu from home via modem Land- -Rover, Sunbeam Tiger and Mazda owner! ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 08:35:47 -0700 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Subject: Re: Medium Difficulty Sierra Trails? In message <199507120215.TAA08016@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us> Jeremy Bartlett writes: > Welcome. Maybe we're starting to outnumber operational series vehicles > now :). !!!!!!!! #@^!*# Why! Why!! Just wait 'till I get my parts in & I'll show you whose got an operational vehicle!! #%@*!* ;*) Guilty as charged ...but I should have a UPS package from Rover's North on my doorstop this evening so maybe... TeriAnn Wakeman .sig closed for remodeling twakeman@apple.com ------------------------------------ From: Nick_Baggarly@cinnamon.mcafee.com Date: Tue, 11 Jul 95 21:10:18 PST Subject: Re: Digest for Mendo_Recce: 7/9/1995 Something horrible happened to Seymour the other day while on a routine lunch outing in the Jack-In-The-Box drive-thru. I heard a wierd/faint sound coming from the engine area and suddenly noticed smoke. Looking at the temperature gauge (110, yipes!) I realized the noise was boiling radiator water. Yep, a heater hose was the cause of my radiator leak problem all along. It was difficult to diagnose because the vapors from the leak would erupt intermittently and immediately burn against the head, thus erasing the "scene of the crime." I didn't suspect a hose initially because I though it was a problem with the solder job on the top of radiator (it leaks too). Anyway, I cut and re-fit the heater hose which didn't make that days fast-food patrons very happy but all is now well. However, I can't help wondering if perhaps some permanent damage has been done to the engine, specifically the rings. I had problems years ago when my '69 ford mustang continually overheated so I realize how bad it is to overheat a vehicle. Question: If a 2.25 overheats (temp gauge read 110 degrees) what is the probability of engine damage? Nick C. Baggarly '66 SIIA 88 (Seymour) Los Gatos, Cale ------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 08:03:25 -0800 From: jfhess@ucdavis.edu (John Hess) Subject: rancho shocks? Since my little newts brain died two weeks ago, only to be fixed by a complete drain of all electrons, I learned a great lesson: remember to backup. I lost (and have re-entered) addresses and phone numbers, land rover notes, personal stuff and .... (stuff I forgot I had). I was keeping track of land rover accessory parts numbers, so would someone please post the numbers for rancho shocks for a 109? A testimonial of why I should NOT get genuine and get aftermarket would also be nice. Thanks John Hess, PhD Phone me 916 752 8420 Dept of Human Anatomy FAX me (ask first or I may get in trouble) University of Calif Davis, CA Email me jfhess@ucdavis.edu ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 08:52:48 -0800 From: holland@catapent.com (Shannon Holland) Subject: Re: Medium Difficulty Sierra Trails? > There's a little trail called the Rubicon that Jeepsters rave about, > should be medium difficulty for a D90. Starts somewhere near Georgetown > (SE of Sacto) going towards Tahoe, with lots of primitive camping. Check out http://www.indirect.com/user/a4x4/4X4.html it has a "Travels and Trails" page that lists numerous trails. It includes the "Rubicon" Trail (and has pictures!). shannon ------------------------------------ From: DANCSC@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:50:38 -0400 Subject: Re: Portland! In a message dated 95-07-12 01:55:18 EDT, you write: >If anyone needs or wants info, let me know and I will try to type up some >of it from the flier and post same. hey Jim, I sure would like to get some more info... I think my Rover will make it up there, I sure would like to try anyway. thanks! Dan of Rosa ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 09:09:45 -0700 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Subject: Paridise run In message <199507120552.WAA14178@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us> writes: > (you are going to Paridise aren't you TeriAnn?) Well I was looking forward to it, assuming I get my brake lines plumbed and full of fluid in time. The swivel pin rebuild part is done. BUT... We recently had a nasty hot spell (My local radio station had a golden orb alert). The temperature climbed into the high eighties during the weekend. I just about died from the heat. I remembered why I live on the coast in the Aptos fog belt. I don't deal with heat very well. I have fond memories of the climate when I was living in Seattle. Because of the recent hot spell, I'm having second thoughts about the central valley & serrias during the summer. I think the trip would be lots of fun if its not too hot. It would give my new puppy (name still undecided) a chance to go on a camping outing... but I'm getting worried about the heat. TeriAnn Wakeman .sig closed for remodeling twakeman@apple.com ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 09:11:27 +0100 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: books and hiding places John Hess writes: >He also makes a statement in chapter 14 that has my >curiousity piqued. "Land-Rovers have a wonderful hiding place I'm not >going to tell you about." > >What's he talking about? Hiding things in the air cleaner? Ceratinly not >under the seats. Any ideas? He probably means they have a hiding place in the garage, on top of the jackstands, with the door shut. But seriously, he might be refering to the space under the access panel at the center seat to the transmission, large enough for a small package. Actually, there many hiding places, depending on your need for access and the size of your items. For instance, I used to hide my.... oh never mind. I can't tell! Michael Carradine Carradine Studios cs@crl.com Architect Architecture Development Planning Pgr 510-945-5000 NCARB RIBA PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA Ph/Fax 510-988-0900 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page at: http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html ------------------------------------ From: DANCSC@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 12:13:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Medium Difficulty Sierra Trails? In a message dated 95-07-12 11:37:16 EDT, you write: >Why! Why!! Just wait 'till I get my parts in & I'll show you whose got an >operational vehicle!! #%@*!* hey, I'm with TeriAnn, but if you wanted to kick down with a free D90, I may change my attitude. Metal dashboards are much better in a wreck. Dan of Rosa ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 09:16:42 -0700 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Subject: Re: Portland! In message <199507120555.WAA14328@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us> writes: > Got my flier for the Portland meet the other day. Who here is thinking > about or planning on going? > Me & my new puppy of course! I think it is the best meet in I've ever been to and haven't missed one in years. The people are great and there's lots of bones available for the dog. Its THE must event of the year. Why simply everyone is going to be there I like to o up 101 and take about 3 days up stoping frequently for photos, small town tours & other interesting things. I convoyed with Vance last year & would like to do so with more people this year. TeriAnn Wakeman .sig closed for remodeling twakeman@apple.com ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 09:31:35 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Re: books [snip] >waterproof bag. He also makes a statement in chapter 14 that has my >curiousity piqued. "Land-Rovers have a wonderful hiding place I'm not >going to tell you about." > >What's he talking about? Hiding things in the air cleaner? Ceratinly not >under the seats. Any ideas? Wow, John, This ought to be a good thread! I know I'll be wracking my brains! Granville ------------------------------------ From: "Kerner, Robert" Subject: re:shocks Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 09:24:00 PDT John I will be happy to post the part numbers for the shock if no one else has it, but you will have to wait until I get up to Davis, because my Rancho catalog is packed with most everything else I own. 3 more weeks of work and still no new job in Davis. If I get a job soon I have money to buy parts for my Rover, and even maybe will be able to buy a truck I have been interested in. A 1941 Dodge military pickup. -Rob Kerner fork0@smtp.ais.ucla.edu ------------------------------------ From: "John R. Benham" Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 09:35:20 +1100 Subject: Re: Snorkel Power! Jim Russell writes: > I'm pretty serious about wanting a snorkel too. A couple of questions, > though. > > Right now I am in the process of converting back to the oil bath for my 2 > bbl Weber. The gauze filter is just too vulnerable to mud and water > (even when I'm not playing river rat). How would the one you installed > deal with that or is it designed around the idea of a filter element > being installed in the snorkel and nothing else? Maybe if you send the > info to TeriAnn I can check it out at Paridise (you are going to Paridise > aren't you TeriAnn?). Also, what is the size of the tube? > > Jim Russell ==== jrussell@netcom.com > (Seattle -- San Francisco) Jim, The Mantec snorkel kit comes with a intake venturi hood-cap. It is suppose to clean out some dust particles just by design and increase the intake air pressure. The oil bath air cleaner can be used, but you need a top adapter to let the snorkel air and keep the oil bath unit as a `closed' system. From their, the air ducting is stock and goes into the carburetor. However, on the Weber two- barrel, you need an adapter for the stock air ductwork. I believe British Pacific has it in their catalog. You can by-pass the oil bath by putting an air filter on top the snorkel in leu of the venturi cap and join the snorkel and the Rovers ductwork with a piece of cut-off snorkel tube. Mantec gives you about 10" more than what one can use. Tube size: Diameter: 2.51" (7 7/8" circ.) Height: ~ 24" Crude drawing (Autocad?): __ ]__[ K&N AIR CLEANER -----------------\ || TOP \ \\ \ \\ RIDGID TUBE (2 bends) \ \\ \ \\ \ ||______ FLEX-TUBE \ \----- | \______||____________________ | RIGHT FENDER | A few Rover owners here have just gone to the local muffler shop, purchased and had a 2 1/2 " d. SS pipe bent to their specifications, bought some flex-hose and clamps at a hose shop and put it together themselves at a fraction of the cost Mantec charges. I'll be glad to FAX Mantec's info and my photos to anyone who is interested. Later, John R. Benham - Editor N.3616 Dowdy Road `The Rover Runner' Spokane, WA 99204 USA ______ |______\_____ 1968 88 IIA Marine Blue *--- [|_/-\____/-\_|} The `BWANA' Mobile *--- (O) (O) 509.747.0692 (H); 509.353.2700 (W); E-Mail: benham@wfoclan.usbm.gov ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 09:44:06 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Re: Portland! TeriAnn says: >I like to go up 101 and take about 3 days up stoping frequently for photos, >small town tours & other interesting things. I convoyed with Vance last year >& would like to do so with more people this year. There's a passing chance that I may decide to go up that way this year. Depends, in part, on whether I drive my Land-Rover or tow it. And that depends on how much stuff I decide to take. The parts I sold last year paid for my trip at least so that possibility is not to be ruled out. But it'd be a lot more fun to drive the Rover so we'll see... Granville B. Pool, Redwood Valley, North California, USA Several old Land-Rovers and other dubiously collectible vehicles (707)485-7220 Home; (707)463-4265 Work ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 09:54:29 -0700 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Subject: Dormobile wants to join I just talked to David Reha here at work. David has a Dormobile and wants to join in on the activities. He hasn't been sucessful in figuring out how to join. Ben - can you please add david_reha@gateway.apple.com Bob&Sue - He is interested in the Paradise run. He seems to like family runs that won't bend body panels Jeremy - he may want to get in on the UK order if its not too late John - He's willing to talk Dormobiles with a fellow owner 408-974-1919 TeriAnn Wakeman .sig closed for remodeling twakeman@apple.com ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 10:01:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Russell Subject: Portland... Okay, I will type up all the info (probably more than anyone wants) and post it later today or this evening. My plans aren't set other than that I WILL be going. I'd like to take the coast route with TeriAnn, Vance, and others who may go that way but it depends on how much time I will end up having. Last year I left after work on Thursday, drove up I-5, napped at a rest stop, met Granville Friday morning in Ashland for a leasurly breakfast, and arrived Porland late afternoon. A more leasurly trip would be desirable but I don't know if I can swing that additional time yet. Anyway, I'll get the info posted and hopefully a lot of folks will be able to make it. I had a really great time last year, there was one hell of a good Rover turnout (of course it was the featured vehicle) and a lot of very nice people! Later... Jim Russell ==== jrussell@netcom.com (Seattle -- San Francisco) ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 10:18:30 +0100 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: BIG $$$ (was Medium Difficulty Sierra Trails?) Shannon Holland writes: >Check out http://www.indirect.com/user/a4x4/4X4.html it has a "Travels and >Trails" page that lists numerous trails. It includes the "Rubicon" Trail >(and has pictures!). Hey! Before you start looking at pictures, fill out the questionairre on the off-road headlamp survey and collect =>> $10.00 <<=, WOW!! Now what was that WWW address again? Michael Carradine Carradine Studios cs@crl.com Architect Architecture Development Planning Pgr 510-945-5000 NCARB RIBA PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA Ph/Fax 510-988-0900 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page at: http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html ------------------------------------ From: "John R. Benham" Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 10:31:33 +1100 Subject: Re: rancho shocks? John writes: > Since my little newts brain died two weeks ago, only to be fixed by a > complete drain of all electrons, I learned a great lesson: remember to > backup. I lost (and have re-entered) addresses and phone numbers, land > rover notes, personal stuff and .... (stuff I forgot I had). > > I was keeping track of land rover accessory parts numbers, so would someone > please post the numbers for rancho shocks for a 109? A testimonial of why > I should NOT get genuine and get aftermarket would also be nice. > > Thanks > > John Hess, PhD Phone me 916 752 8420 > Dept of Human Anatomy FAX me (ask first or I may get in trouble) > University of Calif > Davis, CA Email me jfhess@ucdavis.edu > > John, I have Rancho RS-5000 on my 88 SIIA. At the time I bought them, they stocked shocks for both axles for the 88 but only one axle for the 109. However, they may now have shocks for both of your 109 axles. I called Rancho directly to get their stock numbers, then found a cheap mail order advertiser in a four-wheeler mag. to get them for me. I used someone out of Tucson - they had the best prices at that time. I think I paid $20- 25./ea two years ago. End result?: I have no complaints about using Rancho. Good luck and share your findings! Later, John R. Benham - Editor N.3616 Dowdy Road `The Rover Runner' Spokane, WA 99204 USA ______ |______\_____ 1968 88 IIA Marine Blue *--- [|_/-\____/-\_|} The `BWANA' Mobile *--- (O) (O) 509.747.0692 (H); 509.353.2700 (W); E-Mail: benham@wfoclan.usbm.gov ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 10:34:27 -0700 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Re: Medium Difficulty Sierra Trails? You wrote: > >Metal dashboards are much better in a wreck. Surely your's isnt' a wreck? :) Cheers, Jeremy D90 '94 SIIA 109 SW '65 ------------------------------------ From: "Dale W. Avery" Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 10:32:16 +1100 Subject: Re: books Granville > I wonder how many LRO's presently using this net didn't at one time or another in their "foolish youths" use hiding places on their VW microbuses, etc, heh,heh ;-) for things we had rather not remember now... Something tells me that a visit to your hacienda sometime may be in my future plans...not to weedle and deedle, but just to see what you have sitting on the Mountain. Hopefully, we can get together at Portland. I intend to visit the fine place with John Benham in his 88. Heck, maybe some weedle-deedle may be in the works. When it rains, it pours, I now have 2-3 local 88's that are up for purchase. A 109 in the mid-west is still an option, and your generous offer. Plus Bryan's SIII! I've promised Bryan an answer by Friday, but first want to call John Hess and Jeremy one more time. The body work and possible engine problems have me concerned. BTW, this mendo_recce list is getting huge. I was out of the office for 2 days, and had 60 messages piled up waiting to be read. I am staying 30-60 minutes late every day 'cuz I'm having so much fun, and getting so much knowledge just "reading everyone's mail". I will probably get an internet line into my home very soon, just to keep it out of the office so I can get some work done! This is all too much fun! BTW, what's best as a source of "how-to" for a mechanical nerd like me? Should I invest in a LR shop manual, or go with Haines, et al, as I start busting knuckles on my soon to be acquired LR? Weather up here has been perfect, with some clouds floating across the skies, and temps in the 70's. Teri Ann should come up here if she wants to off-road it without melting in the noon day sun. Now, what was that about mad dogs and LR owners? Sounds like she has my constitution, I don't really like the desert, but half my field projects seem to be in one or the other dry land climes. C U later, Dale and Rand Rover ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 10:06:43 PDT From: rlarson@lsil.com (Rick Larson) Subject: Rubicon (Was Re: Medium Difficulty Sierra Trails?) > > Richard Larson writes regarding his D90: > > There's a little trail called the Rubicon that Jeepsters rave about, > should be medium difficulty for a D90. Starts somewhere near Georgetown I'm hoping to do Rubicon late August or September. Given the following trail damage reports and that a good friend of mine won't go till he has a locker installed in the rear diff of his Cherokee. Says he's going to order parts at lunch today....... I've heard 2nd hand some damage reports on D90s after Rubicon runs. Those fancy side step things just don't stand up to Sierra granite very well. Other problems, the front of the front differential and that low tie rod (nomencature?) hanging just behind the front axle vs. rocks. Seems these parts also always lose...... > Michael Carradine Carradine Studios cs@crl.com More info, ------------------------------ ------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 95 16:22:00 PDT From: Steve E Caldwell Subject: Rubicon >Date: Mon, 26 Jun 95 09:06:02 PDT >From: leonard@lambo.alldata.com (Leonard Voet) >Subject: Rubicon > >I heard through the grapevine that someone made it through the 16 feet of snow >over the top of the Rubicon. I heard these vehicles were highly modified. > > >Len Voet >leonard@alldata.com >77 CJ7 >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Len, While at Warden's Auto Repair getting the steering knuckle repaired on my Scout (broke it in deep snow over Memorial Day weekend (thanks to Gary Bjork and the Ridge Runners for their assistance)) I spoke with Danny who was on that trip. DISCLAIMER: this info is second hand... There were 7 TLC's and one early Bronco, all could be described as "highly modified". The Bronco broke trail. All trucks sustained some type of damage and four axles were broken on the trip. The snow was atleast 16ft in some locations, probably deeper. I saw photos of the trip and it looked wild. Don't know the total time for the run but I believe that there was a three mile winch effort to leave the Springs that took 17 hrs! Spoke with another person on the trip (these guys are the "hardcore" type) who described it as the scariest trip he'd ever done, pucker factor off the scale. Steve '79 SSII '94 GC secaldwe@inside.intel.com (I don't speak for Intel) ~DON'T TREAD ON ME~ ------------------------------ ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 02:55:41 -0400 From: TLCAEditor@aol.com Subject: Rubicon In a message dated 95-06-26 12:53:59 EDT, you write: >I heard through the grapevine that someone made it through the 16 feet of >snow >over the top of the Rubicon. I heard these vehicles were highly modified. > >Anyone out there have a report on this or did I already miss it? > This is a reprint of my originall posting so it is kind of dated. ======================================================================== ======================================================================== Subj: Re: Rubithon ------------------------------------ Date: 06/21/95 TLCA had an advance party sent into Rubicon to scout out the trail. Snow is still very bad on the backside. I got a call from them last night (Sunday 6-18) at ~10pm from Tahoe. They left Rubicon Springs at 7am and just got to Tahoma; that works out to 15 hours. They said they never stopped for lunch or dinner. The major problems were at the areas near the lakes on top. The snow is up to 10 feet deep but the problems were at the areas of runoff. The runoff is causing deep "ditches" that you have to drop into and winch out of. The other problems they reported was sliding off the snow crest in the middle of the trail and getting back onto the trail. They did report that the trail going in was only difficult in a couple of places and will be fine by the start of Rubithon. The mud hole near the beginning of the trail from Loon Lake entrance is impassable, but we were expecting that and will be going around. Little Sluice will also be bypassed because it is full of snow and too sheltered to expect it to melt in time. Those of you that are planning on making it to Rubithon '95 can expect to get to Rubicon Springs with no more than the usual difficulity. It is quite likely that we will send everyone out via Loon Lake on Sunday and Monday and will be conducting flow control in the Big Sluice to avoid traffic jams. In other news. . . A bear had made himself at home in the cabin at Rubicon Springs. He wasn't exactly a polite guest as he had completely trashed the cabin. I had talked to Mark Smith about a 10 days ago and he had flown into the Springs and was aware of this. Gary Bjork ------------------------------ Richard Larson LSI Logic Corporation (408) 433-7149 ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 10:42:21 -0700 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Re: Snorkel Power! You wrote: > >Jim Russell writes: > >> I'm pretty serious about wanting a snorkel too. A couple of >questions, > though. >> snip >Jim, > > The Mantec snorkel kit comes with a intake venturi hood-cap. It >is suppose to clean out some dust particles just by design and >increase the intake air pressure. snip >John R. Benham - Editor Ah, this would creat a ram effect on the carburetor leading to the increased power no? But then again, the Elvis explanation is so much more appealing. Cheers, Jeremy ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 10:28:50 -0700 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Re: Medium Difficulty Sierra Trails? You wrote: >Guilty as charged ...but I should have a UPS package from Rover's North on my >doorstop this evening so maybe... > > >TeriAnn Wakeman .sig closed for remodeling >twakeman@apple.com > Ah yes, I'm familiar with this from Matilda - THE PARTS SNOWBALL - the packages get bigger and bigger! :) Cheers Jeremy ------------------------------------ Date: 12 Jul 1995 10:45:30 -0800 From: "Rusty Greer" Subject: Series ?? 88 I have found a 70s something series land rover for sale. I am thinking of buying it but would like some help in determining if it is a good deal. I have seen it, it seems to be in pretty good condition (although it does need a little tlc). I haven't seen it run. I don't think that it has been started in about a year. It has just been sitting in the parking lot at this guy's office. I think that the asking price is about $4500, but I know that they will go lower. The car is located in San Jose, near Almaden and Hedding. If you want to go look at it with me. (and see if we can get it started) Let me know, I will try to set up something maybe later this week. Rusty greer@taligent.com 408-777-5103 ------------------------------------ From: "John R. Benham" Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 10:42:11 +1100 Subject: Re: Portland! Jim Russell writes: > Got my flier for the Portland meet the other day. Who here is thinking > about or planning on going? > > If anyone needs or wants info, let me know and I will try to type up some > of it from the flier and post same. > > Jim Russell ==== jrussell@netcom.com > (Seattle -- San Francisco) Jim, Several of us from this area are planning on attending the Portland All British Field Meet: For sure: Jim Gwynn: Military 109/ SI John & Gloria Woodhead: 1995 Discovery; 1953 SI John Benham: 1968 SIIA 88; maybe a Cara Wagon! (job dependent) Pat Mayer: 109 diesel pickup John Ousterhout: 109 safari Maybes: Seth Schneider: 109 4dr. SIIA Craig Bixby: 198? `Overland Services' modified 110 (one must see this one!! Incredible!) Dale Avery??? (if he ever can make up his mind on a Rover purchase!!) Later, John R. Benham - Editor N.3616 Dowdy Road `The Rover Runner' Spokane, WA 99204 USA ______ |______\_____ 1968 88 IIA Marine Blue *--- [|_/-\____/-\_|} The `BWANA' Mobile *--- (O) (O) 509.747.0692 (H); 509.353.2700 (W); E-Mail: benham@wfoclan.usbm.gov ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 10:50:49 -0700 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Re: books You wrote: > >BTW, what's best as a source of "how-to" for a mechanical nerd like >me? Should I invest in a LR shop manual, or go with Haines, et al, >as I start busting knuckles on my soon to be acquired LR? > >Dale and Rand Rover > Dale, I've been doing a lot of work myself with occasional consultation with Scotty. I've found the Haines to be excellent, but would recommend also acquiring both the LR shop manual and the LR Parts catalogue. The parts catalogue is useful both for ordering and for the detailed diagrams which aren't always present in both the Haines and LR shop manual. Oh, yeah, get some Whitworth/BSF tool (sockets and wrenches) too. cheers, Jeremy ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 10:44:36 -0700 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Re: Dormobile wants to join You wrote: > > >Jeremy - he may want to get in on the UK order if its not too late > >TeriAnn Wakeman .sig closed for remodeling >twakeman@apple.com > I'm waiting for Jim. The Fax's are currently scheduled to fly on Friday or Monday. I'll hold off until Monday if he's seriously interested. Cheers, Jeremy ------------------------------------ From: "John R. Benham" mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:05:58 +1100 Subject: Re: books Dale Avery writes: > BTW, what's best as a source of "how-to" for a mechanical nerd like > me? Should I invest in a LR shop manual, or go with Haines, et al, > as I start busting knuckles on my soon to be acquired LR? > > C U later, > > Dale and Rand Rover > > Dale, Try Lindsay Porter's `Guide to Purchase and Do-It-Yourself Restoration, Land Rover Series I, II, III' ~$26.00. Also, the Brooklans Land Rover manual and Haynes are good ones to have lying around. Signed, to lazy to walk down the hall... John R. Benham - Editor N.3616 Dowdy Road `The Rover Runner' Spokane, WA 99204 USA ______ |______\_____ 1968 88 IIA Marine Blue *--- [|_/-\____/-\_|} The `BWANA' Mobile *--- (O) (O) 509.747.0692 (H); 509.353.2700 (W); E-Mail: benham@wfoclan.usbm.gov ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:34:43 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Re: books Dale, >Something tells me that a visit to your hacienda sometime may be in >my future plans...not to weedle and deedle, but just to see what you >have sitting on the Mountain. Hopefully, we can get together at >Portland. I intend to visit the fine place with John Benham in his >88. Heck, maybe some weedle-deedle may be in the works. Hope to see you in Portland sooner and Deadwood Valley later. I can just about always make time for a Land-Rover-related visit! >When it rains, it pours, I now have 2-3 local 88's that are up for >purchase. A 109 in the mid-west is still an option, and your >generous offer. Plus Bryan's SIII! I've promised Bryan an answer by >Friday, but first want to call John Hess and Jeremy one more time. >The body work and possible engine problems have me concerned. Of course I haven't seen it nor will have time to see it and so defer to those who have but Bryan's sounds perhaps a bit pricey to me for what it is and has. >BTW, what's best as a source of "how-to" for a mechanical nerd like >me? Should I invest in a LR shop manual, or go with Haines, et al, >as I start busting knuckles on my soon to be acquired LR? The only factory manual I have is an old Series II one that came with my first Land-Rover (a very basic '59 hardtop that I inherited from my Dad). It's good for some stuff but I prefer the Haynes manual for most operations. I've used Haynes manuals for other cars too and think they are pretty damned good. Cheers, Granville ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:39:14 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Re: Rubicon Michael Carradine says: >I'm hoping to do Rubicon late August or September. Given the following trail >damage reports and that a good friend of mine won't go till he has a locker >installed in the rear diff of his Cherokee. Says he's going to order parts >at lunch today....... Going in your Unimog? Should be child's play, even if you have to climb over the Cherokee when it dies. Cheers, Granville ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 12:30:36 -0700 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Subject: Re: Portland... I have found that the latest best time for arrival for the Portland meet is late afternoon, to dusk Fri evening. If there will be camping on the field like last year it gives you time to set up. If not, you would really prefer to find Tony & Linda's house before it gets dark. And you certainly want to be there & ready to go first thing Sat morning. The Fri official event is normally a hostless cotail party. An event seldom (never) attended by the Land Rover contingent. Most people are ready to go leave by late afternoon Sunday. TeriAnn Wakeman .sig closed for remodeling twakeman@apple.com ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 13:26:28 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: P-Lost: Base Camp or Nomading? Cc: mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us Bob and Sue, One thing not clear to me, in your plans for Paradise Lost, is whether you plan to have a base camp, as at the Joe Lucas MNF Rallye, with daily recces, or do you plan for camp to be on our backs, convoying and settling where we find ourselves at night? For me, it may make a sizeable difference on how I plan and pack, on what (and maybe whom) I bring. I imagine it might well do so for others as well. Thanks, Granville ------------------------------------ From: "John R. Benham" mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 13:30:05 +1100 Subject: Re: books Jeremy writes: > You wrote: > Dale, > > > > Try Lindsay Porter's `Guide to Purchase and Do-It-Yourself > >Restoration, Land Rover Series I, II, III' ~$26.00. Also, the > >Brooklands Land Rover manual and Haynes are good ones to have lying > >around. > > > >Signed, to lazy to walk down the hall... > > > >John R. Benham - Editor > > I'd add one comment to this. I find Porter's book strongly biased > toward the body work side of things. It's definitely worth having for > this. If you're concentrating on the innards I'd prefer the Haynes, LR > Shop manual, and catolog in that order. You'd be looking at $150-$200 > to get them all. > > Cheers, > > Jeremy Jeremy, Two years ago, I rebuilt my SII transmission due to a severely worn reverse gear and accompaning shaft/bushing (5 minutes to replace; 12 hours to get to!). I found that Porter's book (vs. Haynes and Brooklands) was the best in describing and diagraming transmission repair - a personal opionion, of course! I own the Haynes and Brooklands. I borrowed the Porter's. Later, John R. Benham - Editor N.3616 Dowdy Road `The Rover Runner' Spokane, WA 99204 USA ______ |______\_____ 1968 88 IIA Marine Blue *--- [|_/-\____/-\_|} The `BWANA' Mobile *--- (O) (O) 509.747.0692 (H); 509.353.2700 (W); E-Mail: benham@wfoclan.usbm.gov ------------------------------------ From: DANCSC@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 16:36:15 -0400 Subject: Re: books and hiding places micheal, In a message dated 95-07-12 12:12:41 EDT, you write: > Actually, there many hiding places, depending on your need for access > and the size of your items. For instance, I used to hide my.... I used to hide mine there too, but then I found that other spot...(hint... it's near the clutch master cylinder...) and who could ever put a value on all the storage space where a heater assembly might have gone? that's where I usually keep my business suits for long trips... dan of rosa ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 13:36:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Russell Subject: PORTLAND INFO ( long ) Okay, here goes... The following is basically the complete flier for the Portland meet with, of course, subtle changes made by my Lucas laptop and spelling checker. I have pretty well left everything in and not done any real editing other than to leave out some legaleze at the end, omit the car classes other than for Rover, and change things around a bit so it'd work as a text file. If you aren't taking your Jaguar this year you can skip that stuff. I haven't really proofread any of this nor can I vouch for any of it's accuracy. The entry form is at the end. I'll try to send up some observations and notes later. JBR 19TH ANNUAL ALL BRITISH FIELD MEET Portland International Raceway Labor Day Week End September 1, 2, & 3, 1995 The 19th Annual All British Field Meet Labor Day Weekend, Septermber 1, 2, & 3, 1995!!! Bring yur British cars and join OVER 500 other British vehicle owners to share your interests with other enthusiasts. Replica cars made in England with British components (e.g. Panther) and specialty cars with british chassis and running gear (e.g. Arkley) are welcome, as ore British bodied cars with U.S. engines, including conversion. The latter may not be eligible for judgine, however. Pre Registration -- Only early registrations received by August 12, 1995 will have reserved space on the field in their class, limited edition dash plaque and regalia, a FREE swap meet or car for sale space, and a photo of their car in the souvenir program. Late Registration -- (Received August 13 throught August 23) will receive the benefits of pre-registration but will no be able to order limited edition regalia and car photos will not appear in the program. Day of Meet Registrations -- Friday evening September 1 and Saturday morning ('till noon) September 2 registered vehicles will be eligable for display only parking and People's Choice balloting. Dash plaques will be available for a fee. Car Wash Facilities are available near the concession stand at PIR. Valve Cover Races -- Qualifying and Final Races: Saturday afternoon at 2 pm. Awards in six classes. For valve cover specifications and design, contact FASPEC (503) 232-1232. Swap Meet (One day - SUNDAY - Only). A swap meet "vending space" or a "car for sale space" is free with your 1st car entry registration, BUT ONLY if it is so indicated in the appropriate box on the registration form and received vefore August 12, 1995. Request for space after this date requires payment of the standard swap meet fee of $30. Swap meet spaces are available for non-car entrants at $30.00 each. For information call Him Hiser (503) 774-5813. Gate will open at 8 am, Sunday. (You may request an early swap meet move in for Saturday pm.) Photo Concours -- Bring your special photos to the cocktail party Friday night. Open to all registrants, there will be five catagories with awards. Black & White, Portrait, Club/Group, Humorous, and Actions. Awards will be presented at the cocktail party at 9:30 pm. All entries must be picked up by 10 pm. All entries must be picked up b 10 pm. For additional information call British Auto Works (503) 690-7626. Souvenir Program -- If you send us a photo of your car with your pre-registration by August 12, 1995, it will be included in the souvenir pogram. Please print your name and address on the back of all photos, so they can be returned to you in your packet. Again, deadline for all photos to be included in the program: No later than August 12, 1995. REGISTRATION INFORMATION: 503-641-2946 Program Advertising display space is also available. The program is an ideal way to target your specific market of British car enthusiasts. Classified ads of up to 3 lines are also available for only $15. Contact Fred Armstron (503) 520-1632 for further info on this or display ads. SCHEDULE OF EVENTS ** Friday, September 1, 1995, Cocktail Party For Registered Entrants Only 7:30 pm to 10 pm Red Lion Hotel Lloyd Center - 1000 N.E. Multnomah St., Portland Pick Up Packets - Day-of-Meet Registrations - Photo Concours - Finger Food - No-host Bar Pre-registration packets and pre-ordered regalia, as well as registration forms may be picked up Friday, September 1 at the cocktail party in the Red Lion from 7:30 until 10 pm. All those who did not receive their pre-registration confirmation by mail are encouraged to stop by Friday night and avoid the pressures of on-the-field confirmations OR registrations. Besides, it's a perfect time to meet old chums and make new ones. Bring your favorite car photos for the photo concours. ** Saturday, September 2, 1995: P.I.R. Gates open at 8:00 am. * Placement of PRE-REGISTERED CARS ONLY on the field from 8 am until 10 am. (Pr-registered cars have their space reserved only until 10 am.) * Placement for Day-of-th-Meet Entered cars after 10 am (Jguar cars are NOT ELIGIBLE for concours judging.) * LandRover Off-Road Jungle Course from 10 am to 3 pm. Ride in of our LandRovers over specially prepared terrain! Compliments of Land Rover of Portland. * British Vehicle Display and Show on the grass, Noon -- National points Jaguar concours, People's Choice voting for all classes. * Entertainment on the field starting at 1 pm. * People's Choice Awards presented on the field at 3 pm. * Valve Cover Race Qualifying and Finals at 2 pm. ** Sunday, September 3, 1995: P.I.R. Gates open at 8:00 am * Swap Meet Opens -- 8 am. * British vehicles for Sale in the Swap Meet Area -- 8 am to 3:30 pm. Pre-registration for free space must be received by August 12 (with your car registration) or the standard swap meet fee of $30 will be required. * Giant Slalom - 9 am to 3:30 pm. Slalom registration opens at 8 & closes at 12:30 pm. Eight classes are designed to equalize all vehicles. A Release of Liability form, helmets and seat belts are required. A limited number of helmets will be available. Participating vehicles are subject to safety, nose and technical inspections. * LandRover Off-Road Jungle Course from 10 am to 3 pm. Ride in one of our LandRovers or drive your own! Traverse specially prepared terrain! Compliments of LandRover of Portland. * All British Rallye: Registration begins at 9 am. First car out at 9:31. The rallye will be starting from the front gate at P.I.R. Designed to be interesting for all, from novice to pro! Trophies will be awarded for British cars. * Awards Presentations -- 4 pm under the Goodyear Tower. All of Sunday's awards and trophies will be presented at this time. Note: PIR gates close at 5:30 pm. NO vehicles to be left on PIR property after that time. PORTLAND INTERNATIONAL RACEWAY Directions to PIR: Located at West Delta Park, south of the Columbia River off I-5 in Portland, Oregon. From I-5 take exit 306B to the stop sign, go west to P.I.R entrance. NOTE: Camping is allowed at the PIR facility, but gates will close Friday & Saturday at midnight. No "For Sale" signs of any kind will be allowed Saturday on the judging field. No trailers or support vehicles in the display area after 10 am Saturday, and vehicles may not leave the display area until 4 pm that day. BARECUE! AWARDS! RAFFLE! Cocktails and appetizers at 5:00 * Dinner at 6:00 * Awards at 7:30 * Raffle Prizes All Evening. Enjoy a Dinner of BBQ Ribs & Chicken. Serviced with all the trimmings in the Hopitality Tent Saturday evening. $15 per person Limited Tickets, Pre-Registration Strongly Advised PRE-REGISTER BY AUGUST 12 AND YOU WILL RECEIVE: 1. Reserved space on the field in your car class. 2. Free Limited Edition Dash Plaque - one with registration. 3. Free Souvenir Program with your vehicle photo inside. 4. Jaguar Concours Judging Eligibility - Only those pre-registerd. 5. Additional cars registered at a reduced price. Your additional vehicles may be entered for only $10 per vehicle. (no additional dash plaques or programs). 6. Written confirmation. Your entry confirmed by mail. 7. Free Entrant's packet, including ballot for People's Choice and a "Goody Bag". 8. Limited Edition Regalia. Purchase of special Limited Edition regalia is available ONLy with pre-registration. 9. Free "Swap Meet" or "Car For Sale" space provided with 1st car registration. Additional spaces can be purches at the standard fee of $30 per space. OFF-ROAD JUNGLE COURSE Compliments LandRover of Portland Take an exciting ride in one of a variety of LandRover vehicles through an off-road course. Maneuver over steep hill, bounce across bumps and ruts and slog through water hazards and bogs. Enjoy the thrill in one of the New LandRovers supplied by LandRover of Portland, or on Sunday, take your own LandRover through or ride with a knowledgeable Pacific Coast Rover Club member! HOTEL ACCOMODATIONS The Red Lion is Headquareters for the ABFM. You must reserve early and mention the All British Field Meet for preferred pricing. 24 hour secured parking is available from the Red Lion for a fee. Red Lion Hotel at Lloyd Center * 1000 N.E. Multnomah Street, Portland, Oregon * (503) 281-6111 Rates: North Tower - $73 single or double. Souther Tower - $83 single or double. Rates good until August 10, 1995. Directions to the Red Lion-Lloyd Center: From I-5 North or South, take exit 302A. Turn east on N.E. Weidler to 9th, south 2 blocks to N.E. Multnomah. Other Affordable Accomodations are available near P.I.R Best Western Inn at the Meadows 503-286-9600 Delta Inn 503-289-1800 (Mention the All British Field Meet for special rates) CLASSES [limited to Rover only] ROVER RL-44 LandRover (Ser I) RL-45 LandRover (Ser II, IIA, SWB) RL-46 LandRover (Ser II, IIA, LWB) RL-47 LandRover (Ser III) RL-48 Defender RL-49 Special RL-50 Range Rover RL-51 Saloon All classes are eligible for People's Choice Judging. People's Choice - First place trophies will be presented on the field starting at 3 pm Saturday. An award for "Favorite Automobile on the Field will also be made. [ENTRY FORM] [Send the following information and payment or credit card info to:] All British Field Meet 10795 NW LaCassel Crest Ln. Portland, OR 97229 Name ______________________________________________________ Address ______________________________________________________ City ______________________________________________________ State ______________________________________________________ Post Code ______________________________________________________ Home Phone ______________________________________________________ Bus. Phone ______________________________________________________ Car Make ______________________________________________________ Yr. ______________________________________________________ Model ______________________________________________________ Body Style ______________________________________________________ Color ______________________________________________________ Club ______________________________________________________ Clas (from list above) __________________________________________ Fees: 1st car @30 plus additional car(s) at $10 each. Plus an additional Fee (per car) entered in the following Jaguar Concours Classes: JCNA Championship Concours - $10 JCNA Drivers Concours - $10. HCNA#______________________ Be sure the Name(s) above is(are) exactly as it(they) appear on your curren JCNA card Program Picture YES ___ NO ___ BAR-B-CUE Number Attending ________ @15 ea. REGALIA Extra Dash Plaque(s) $7 ____ Field Meet Pin(s) $4 ____ T-Shirt(s) $16 XL ____ L ____ M ____ Sweatshirt(s) $24 XL ____ L ____ M ____ [LEGALEZE OMITTED] Jim Russell ==== jrussell@netcom.com (Seattle -- San Francisco) ------------------------------------ From: "Kerner, Robert" Subject: re books Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 13:41:00 PDT I only have the shop manual for my series III and it really lacks pictures and diagrams. THe parts books look like they would be a good help, but are expensive; at least from RN. I always have liked the way english car manuals were written. You'd be working on some component and the directions they give you just don't work. My example is my Morris Minor. I was replacing worn bushings on the torsion bar. The directions were to jack up the lower end of the suspension and then undo the bolt and slide the pin out. Well I followed these directions even though I thought to myself doesn't it seem like by jacking it up I am putting pressure on the torsion bar thereby creating force. Luckily when the pin shot out of the hole it hit the jack and not me. Stupid British writers. -Rob Kerner Fork0@smtp.ais.ucla.edu ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 13:48:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Russell Subject: Re: Portland... TeriAnn: The "official" info has been posted. Camping is at the site again this year. Gates close at midnight Friday and Saturday night. Actually, last year there were quite a number of LR folks at the Friday cocktail party. It is pretty optional, though. Jim Russell ==== jrussell@netcom.com (Seattle -- San Francisco) ------------------------------------ From: DANCSC@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 17:03:51 -0400 Subject: Re: PORTLAND INFO thank you. Jim, thanks for that info, I am suddenly stoked... is there anyone who might like to give me a second opinion... will my Rover make it to Portland and back? Dan of Rosa PS. i guess I can bring a towbar! ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 14:14:26 PDT From: rlarson@lsil.com (Rick Larson) Subject: Re: Rubicon > >Michael Carradine says: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Well, actually, Rick Larson said. To much cutting and pasting on my part made this a bit unclear. I'll try harder in the future to keep my excessive cutting and pasting habit under control. I'll be signing myself up for some remedial email classes. Additionally, I vow never again to cut and paste before a 2nd cup of morning coffee. Your support and understanding during this personal crisis would be greatly appreciated. -Rick >>I'm hoping to do Rubicon late August or September. Given the following trail >>damage reports and that a good friend of mine won't go till he has a locker >>installed in the rear diff of his Cherokee. Says he's going to order parts >>at lunch today....... > >Going in your Unimog? Should be child's play, even if you have to climb >over the Cherokee when it dies. > >Cheers, > > >Granville > > Richard Larson LSI Logic Corporation (408) 433-7149 ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 14:33:45 -0700 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Subject: Re: PORTLAND INFO ( long ) In message <199507122039.NAA03592@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us> writes: > > Car Wash Facilities are available near the concession stand at PIR. Ah... A Must for California Land Rover owners, esp the D90 Folks. You don't want to give the natives the wrong impression... like that California cars actually do go off road. > > Souvenir Program -- If you send us a photo of your car with your > pre-registration If you have one, B&W photos print better in their catalogue > NOTE: Camping is allowed at the PIR facility, but gates will close > Friday & Saturday at midnight. Oh YEA!!!! Circle the Land Rovers!! There will probably be over 50 Land Rovers camping on the field. > Enjoy a Dinner of BBQ Ribs & Chicken. > Serviced with all the trimmings in the Hopitality Tent Saturday > evening. > > $15 per person $15 seems a bit high. Was it that much last year?? Rib bones.. My new pup dog will love that Portland All British field meet...MMM My favorate field meet of the year!! TeriAnn Wakeman .sig closed for remodeling twakeman@apple.com ------------------------------------ From: BobandSueB@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 18:30:15 -0400 Cc: twakeman@apple.com ------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Paradise run In a message dated 95-07-12 12:10:58 EDT, TerriAnn wrote, > >BUT... We recently had a nasty hot spell (My local radio station had a golden > >orb alert). The temperature climbed into the high eighties during the >weekend. >I just about died from the heat. I remembered why I live on the coast in the > >Aptos fog belt. I don't deal with heat very well. I have fond memories of >the >climate when I was living in Seattle. > >Because of the recent hot spell, I'm having second thoughts about the central > >valley & serrias during the summer. I think the trip would be lots of fun if > >its not too hot. It would give my new puppy (name still undecided) a chance >to >go on a camping outing... but I'm getting worried about the heat. > > Bob Writes, Actually, when it's 100-105 in chico/oroville, the high lakes will be much cooler, as its around 5500 elevation. The only heat will be getting through the valley.on the way here. Right now we could use some snowshoes up there. Hope to pre-run this weekend to see just what is up there snow wise. On 4th of July, there was still some 10 ft up there. We're hoping for more meltdown by then. If not we may opt for a lower elevation camp. Bob ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 15:22:24 -0700 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Re: re books/ UK computers You wrote: > >I always have liked the way english car >manuals were written. You'd be working on some component and the directions >they give you just don't work. snip > Stupid British writers. > > -Rob Kerner >Fork0@smtp.ais.ucla.edu > Hmmm. This seems a bit odd. With talent like that it seems that even if they can't make computers because they can't figure out how to make them leak oil they ought to be able to provide serious competition with the US on writing computer manuals! :) Cheers, Jeremy ------------------------------------ From: "Kerner, Robert" Subject: Re: re books/ UK computers Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 15:48:00 PDT I wouldn't know I've never read a computer manual, I just grew up with them. I got my first PC when I was 11 in 1980. In fact unfortunately that is still the computer I use at home. My 8088 processer and 4mghz of power with a 20 MB hard drive is just super. It manages to keep my checkbook and that's about all. -Rob Kerner fork0@smtp.ais.ucla.edu >be able to provide serious competition with the US on writing computer >manuals! :) > >Cheers, > >Jeremy > ------------------------------------ From: DANCSC@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 19:30:50 -0400 Subject: Re: rick's personal crisis In a message dated 95-07-12 17:28:13 EDT, you write: > Your support and understanding during this >personal crisis would be greatly appreciated. We have a twelve step program for that here in Rosa, we meet Thursdaynights at The Old Vic, and discuss our problems over many Guinness' perhaps you could join us... Dan of Rosa ------------------------------------ From: DANCSC@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 19:35:37 -0400 Subject: Re: $15 bucks for some chow? TeriAnn you said... >$15 seems a bit high. Was it that much last year?? Last year they probably didn't have the "bottomless stien of Guinness" for Rover owners! This sounds like a rip-roarin'-donuts-on-the-lawn, good time, bring your rebel flags, and gun racks! hey, open question, Since it's illegal to pump your own gas in Oregon, does this law have a provision for the Jerry-can crowd? ------------------------------------ From: DANCSC@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 19:40:21 -0400 Subject: Re: Snowshoes in Paradise? bob, you said: > If not we may opt for a lower elevation camp. in regards to that snow, um... you don't suppose I'll have to eat my words on Granville's heater offer do you? I mean, I'm no snowbunny, but, well, na, heater/shmeater. I'm goin'! (if I'm still running) Hey, could you tell me about how much time it will ( or,should...) take to get up to Paradise in a 61 Rover 88 without overdrive, from Santa Rosa? anybody wanna convoy? Dan of Rosa ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 17:23:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Russell Subject: Portland TeriAnn: I think the bbq was $12 last year and, yup, a bit much but, what the hell. I know there was some talk about a separate bbq for the LR people but I don't know if it fizzled out or if all sort of decided that it was maybe a good idea to "mingle" with the rest of the ABFM foks, as it were. Of course it could still be a part of the plan. I will see if I can find out more but don't recall anything in the last PCRC newsletter that said there was going to be a separate one. Dan: As I recall, in Oregon if you want your jerry can filled up they fill it up just as they do the vehicle. As an aside, never, ever, leave the bonnet open at a gas station 'cause sure as hell the guy will close it and destroy the bonnet locking hasp or turnbuckle. Happened to me last year on the way to the Portland meet. All: Probably the most important thing is to consider in camping at PIR is that the gates close at midnight so you gots to be sure and have enough beer to get you through 'till about eight in the morning 'cause you can't just send out for more. The Canadians get particularly surely if there isn't enough beer. I don't know if the camping was actually advertised last year or something more or less put together mostly for the LR folks. This year it is at least mentioned in the flyer. The camp sight is fairly large but by no means huge so it could get a bit crowded if too many of the tent trailer, motorhome, or trailer folks show up (Cope's excepted, of course. since as far as I'm concerned they can show up anywhere they want with one). Minimal facilities on sight. A couple of restrooms and water should be available. Of course since John B is planning on being there, if someone gets really offensive he might let them use his shower. As last year, t I understand that BP plans on being there this year as they were last. It is nice to be able to meet with your otherwise mail order vendors. As I recall, last year the final count was just short of there being 100 series Land-Rovers. If I think of anything else or find out anything else, I will let everyone know. Jim Russell ==== jrussell@netcom.com (Seattle -- San Francisco) ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 17:36:46 -0700 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Re: Portland You wrote: > >All: > >Probably the most important thing is to consider in camping at PIR is that... The Canadians get particularly surely if there isn't >enough beer. > There. That about sums it up Eh? Cheers, Jeremy (born in Vancouver) ------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 18:55:05 -0800 From: jfhess@ucdavis.edu (John Hess) Subject: Re: Dormobile wants to join teriann, thanks again. I spoke with david this afternoon: I thought I heard a baby crying in the background, does he do some work from home? He told me he has three boys, 7,5, and 1 and he's hoping that now that the baby is one, he can get out. I'd say he's cautiously optimistic about paradise. We talked about rovers abit, he seemed a little hesitant but then again, I just blurt out everything. sounds like he has got his in good shape after getting in in pieces. Of course, I don't really see how to get 3 kids and himself and wife in the beast to get to paradise, but maybe they all won't come. I told him about alex (did you see him at hayward, eating chips in the bunk?); alex would like to have someone else to chase, but hey dogs are a close second as far as diversions go. If we get anywhere near water, you'll see what it means when people say water dog. Our chesapeake truly has water on the brain. I told dave that davis was just about half way to paradise for him (that sounds funny!) and he could stop by. I've had ben smith on the futon, and offered it to others but if he is coming with the family, I don't know how I would deal with that. Anyway, hope you get the brake lines done. when I did the tiger, I practiced making bubble flares for a couple hours then started in on the line I needed to reproduce. I did cut the tubing about 1/2 inch too long, just in case I needed to redo an end. However, I did it right and the half inch is taken up in a bend and not noticable. Good luck to you. I see that bob has posted propaganda about cool mountain temperatures; you just have to put a block of ice in front of the air vents to drive thru the valley. Cheers and good morning, John Hess, PhD Phone me 916 752 8420 Dept of Cell Bio. and Hum. Anat. FAX me (ask first or I may get in trouble)* University of Calif Davis, CA Email me jfhess@ucdavis.edu *You think I joke. I was just told by department staff that my one page Mendocino Brewery newsletter is personal and must be changed to home delivery. ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 20:23:09 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Jason and Ganesh say goodbye for now! (Forward) >Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 19:09:43 PDT >From: labranch@sybase.com (Jason LaBranch) >Subject: Jason and Ganesh say goodbye for now! >Cc: labranch@sybase.com > >Hi Granville, > >I am having trouble mailing this message to mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us. >Could you please forward it for me? > >Thanks so much. >Jason > > >----- Begin Included Message ----- > >Hey Folks, > >It has been a while. I am going to have to sign off for a period of time >now. Life moves in strange and mysterious ways. In the past few months >I have been through soo much I can not even begin to bore you with it. > >One of the outcomes of this very turbulent period is that I will no longer >be working at Sybase. I have accepted a contract position at a somewhat >large startup company called Netscape. They create World-Wide-Web browsers >and servers and more niffty things up their sleeves. Since this company >is surging forward trying to get their first real commercial release out >the door there is a LOT of work to be done. I will be working 6 sometimes >7 days a week and 11 hours a day. I can not at this time, participate in >the much beloved Rover Talk. > >Ben, please remove me from the distribution list. > >I hope to see you all again someday soon. I will see if I can go to >Paradise run for even one day. > >Ganesh is still running around like a proud beast, however, as of late, >I have been neglecting his proper pampering. Ganesh is going to commute >me 1hour and 15minutes each way to Mountain View and back to Emeryville >untill I either decide to find a place down there or get sick of the >commute and find another job. > >It has been fun and full of energy. >Yours, >Jason and Ganesh. > >P.S. If any of you want to send me email my last day at Sybase is this >Friday and my first day at Netscape is this Monday. My new email will >be: labranch@netscape.com > >----- End Included Message ----- > > > ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 20:28:16 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Re: Snowshoes in Paradise? Danarosa said: >Hey, could you tell me about how much time it will ( or,should...) take to >get up to Paradise in a 61 Rover 88 without overdrive, from Santa Rosa? >anybody wanna convoy? Yeah, I'll probably want to convoy with you. May talk some other locals into going and maybe Matt will want to convoy with us? Don't know yet when I'll be able to leave. Too busy at work and may have a tight time getting much if any time off. Granville ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 20:42:20 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Alternative Cocktail Party (Portland) All who plan to attend the Portland Field Leak: I found the Friday night cocktail party a bit of a bore (of course I didn't know anyone yet, except Jim). Parking at the hotel where it was held was a bit of a hassle, too. I have an alternative plan for Friday evening that I'd like to throw out: There's a dynamite pub located just west of Portland on the old Portland- Beaverton Highway. It's called "Dublin Pub, a bit o'Ireland." It's big but friendly and has the ultimate supply and selection of draught vapour locke. I seem to remember that it had something over a hundred, maybe a hundred fifty, kinds of beer on draught, including every microbrew and subdivision thereof (nanobrew?) under the sun. It seems to me that this would be the Land-Roverly thing to do. What say you all? Cheers and Beers, Granville ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 20:47:50 PDT From: rlarson@lsil.com (Rick Larson) Subject: ARB install ( was Re: Medium Difficulty Sierra Trails?) Cc: don@chips.com Jeremy Bartlet wrote: >> >Welcome. Mayber we're starting to outnumber operational series vehicles >now :). > >Where did you have the ARB installation done? > Pioneer Center ( the one and only Land Rover dealer ) in San Diego County. Highly recommend their D90 mechanic, but his name escapes me right now. Mine was his 5th ARB locker installation and it came out real clean. Can't recommend purchasing a new vehicle from them though. Guess they didn't think I was serious. It was serious fun to pull up to the dealership for the ARB install and see the saleswomen's ( who had never called me back on D90 availability ) face..... +1 point to the geek engineer with holes in his jeans. -1 point to the beautiful sales babe. -Rick Richard Larson LSI Logic Corporation (408) 433-7149 ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 20:52:29 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: A name for my Rover? All, I think I have found a name for my Land-Rover but, before I dub it officially, would like to see if any of you knows a bit more about the name's history. The name is "Snark" which I'm taking from Jack London's infamous sailing yacht in which he started to sail around the world but only got as far as the South Seas before ill health drove him to abort the journey. The name fits quite well, methinks, based upon analogy with London's boat. But what I'd like to know more about is the name's background before London. He got it from another author (whose name I don't remember); I think it was a mythical sea beast. Anybody know more? Thanks, Granville ------------------------------------ Date: 12 Jul 1995 21:20:08 -0800 From: "Rusty Greer" Subject: paradise can i get the dates and directions? i have been planning on it being the end of july, but i don't know exactly what weekend. thanks, rusty ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 22:25:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Walter C. Swain" Subject: Re: A name for my Rover? On Wed, 12 Jul 1995, Granville B. Pool wrote: > I think I have found a name for my Land-Rover but, before I dub it > officially, would like to see if any of you knows a bit more about the > name's history. The name is "Snark" which I'm taking from Jack London's > infamous sailing yacht in which he started to sail around the world but only > got as far as the South Seas before ill health drove him to abort the journey. Are you sure you want to name your vehicle after another vehicle that had to be abandoned because it's owner was too ill to continue..... I'm not sure about that one, kind of like tempting the fates. > The name fits quite well, methinks, based upon analogy with London's boat. > But what I'd like to know more about is the name's background before London. > He got it from another author (whose name I don't remember); I think it was > a mythical sea beast. Anybody know more? Lewis Carroll, 1876, "The Hunting of the Snark". At least he was British, among other things. Walt = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Walter C. Swain | wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us Davis Community Network | Davis, California | 1967 109 Series IIA Safari SW ------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 22:31:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Walter C. Swain" Subject: Re II: A name for my Rover? On Wed, 12 Jul 1995, Granville B. Pool wrote: > All, > > I think I have found a name for my Land-Rover but, before I dub it > officially, would like to see if any of you knows a bit more about the > name's history. The name is "Snark" which I'm taking from Jack London's > infamous sailing yacht in which he started to sail around the world but only > got as far as the South Seas before ill health drove him to abort the journey. Just another quick thought; What is the license number? I've been waiting for the right name to crop up for my beast, and given the amount of work it's going to take to get it straight, an extract from the licence might be right. 2 DIU. Walt ------------------------------------ From: BobandSueB@aol.com Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 02:28:41 -0400 Subject: Re: phone numbers and weather stripping Hi all, If you're out and about, and need the phone number of a fellow LROA member, just call us at 916 877-5656. We maintain the directory ya know. BTW, the next issue of the AW will contain the most current Membership Directory. Cheers, Sue and Bob ------------------------------------ From: BobandSueB@aol.com Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 02:32:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Medium Difficulty Sierra Trails? In a message dated 95-07-11 20:24:37 EDT, you write: > >So far the D90 has had the opportunity to visit the Panamint Mountains and >Death Valley, Anza-Borrego, Hollister and Pismo Dunes. Now that the snow >is melting it has been wanting to get in some Sierra off roading experience. > >I'm on the lookout for some medium difficulty 4x4 trails with decent camping. >(The more primitive the better.) Any trail or good Sierra 4x4 guide book >recommendations would be greatly appreciated. > > Rick et al, Sounds like the upcoming Paradise Lost trip is for you. We will be posting details like directions, meeting place, anticipated destination(s) -depending on how many FEET of snow are still up at the High Lakes after our pre-run this coming weekend. Hope you can join us. Sue and Bob ------------------------------------ From: BobandSueB@aol.com Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 03:00:02 -0400 Subject: Re: paradise In a message dated 95-07-13 00:22:06 EDT, you write: > >can i get the dates and directions? > >i have been planning on it being the end of july, but i don't know exactly >what weekend. > > Rusty, The Paradise Lost camping trip is the weekend of July 28th. We anticipate leaving Paradise either Friday late afternoon, and/or Saturday AM, depending on who is arriving when. Paradise is 90 miles north of Sacramento via Hwys 70 or 99, and east of Chico about 8 miles. The highways you'd take to get here depend on where you are coming from?? We will be posting detailed directions next week - I'll let Bob do that. Later, Sue ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 07:17:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Russell Subject: Re: Alternative Cocktail Party (Portland) I kind of agree that the cocktail party really seems more for the Jaguar crowd -- though I was very lucky with parking last year. The pub you mentioned sounds like it could offer a good alternative. I seem to recall that Portland has several nice and/or interesting pubs. My departure date/time is still up in the air. Hopefully it will firm up in the next week or so. Ruth may come down and ride up with me if we can both swing the time for the leasurely drive via the coast. Jim Russell ==== jrussell@netcom.com (Seattle -- San Francisco) ------------------------------------ From: DANCSC@aol.com Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 11:37:59 -0400 Subject: Re:Granville's Portland Toga Party... In a message dated 95-07-12 23:39:59 EDT, you write: >I seem to remember that it had something over a hundred, maybe a hundred >fifty, kinds of beer on draught, including every microbrew and subdivision >thereof (nanobrew?) under the sun. > >It seems to me that this would be the Land-Roverly thing to do. What say >you all? > > Hey, now, I think a Rover gathering at a little Pub sounds much more fitting than a cocktail party, and a BIG pub sounds even more appropriate, maybe we could work out a deal with the pub owners, where by, the more Rover owners we drag in the door, the more free beers we get... cheers! Dan of Rosa ------------------------------------ From: "John R. Benham" Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 08:45:19 +1100 Subject: Portland Beer... Hey folks, At the Rover camping area in Portland, I'll supply a large galvanized wash tube filled with ice and the first case of beer! Who will follow? Feeling generous in Spokane... John R. Benham - Editor N.3616 Dowdy Road `The Rover Runner' Spokane, WA 99204 USA ______ |______\_____ 1968 88 IIA Marine Blue *--- [|_/-\____/-\_|} The `BWANA' Mobile *--- (O) (O) 509.747.0692 (H); 509.353.2700 (W); E-Mail: benham@wfoclan.usbm.gov ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 95 09:21:18 -0700 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Subject: alt.alt. Cocktail.Party.Portland In message <199507130340.UAA15680@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us> writes: > All who plan to attend the Portland Field Leak: > > I found the Friday night cocktail party a bit of a bore (of course I didn't > know anyone yet, except Jim). Parking at the hotel where it was held was a > bit of a hassle, too. > > I have an alternative plan for Friday evening that I'd like to throw out: > There's a dynamite pub located just west of Portland on the old Portland- > Beaverton Highway. It's called "Dublin Pub, a bit o'Ireland." It's big but > friendly and has the ultimate supply and selection of draught vapour locke. > I seem to remember that it had something over a hundred, maybe a hundred > fifty, kinds of beer on draught, including every microbrew and subdivision > thereof (nanobrew?) under the sun. Since proposals are flying.. I would like to propose an alternative alternative to the cocktail party that most of the local land rover people do not go to. Why not just bring brew/soda and goodies to munch/ toss on the grill to the field and share it with the locals (our hosts) after setting up the camp sites for the night? 1. You get there before the gates close 2. you do not have to worry about drinking and driving 3. Since you have already set up camp sites you have a place to sleep afterwards 4. If we organize it and bring enough, it could be a nice geasture to the others who are not part of this list. A little WC internet group hosted communal evening get together for all the Land Rover people who are there Fri evening might be a nice touch. Kind of like the free breakfast we got Sun maorning last year. TeriAnn Wakeman .sig closed for remodeling twakeman@apple.com ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 09:30:31 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Re: Portland Beer... >Hey folks, > > At the Rover camping area in Portland, I'll supply a large >galvanized wash tube filled with ice and the first case of beer! Who >will follow? > >Feeling generous in Spokane... > >John R. Benham Hey, maybe this is an even better idea and even more Land-Roverly because: 1) Can circle the Land-Rovers and do it within our boundaries. 2) Don't have to drive anywhere. 3) Can drink all we want without DUI concerns. 4) Don't have knock off in time to get back to PIR before midnight. 5) Less cost, therefore, more vapour locke 6) Cheers!! Granville P.S. I'll dump some bottles of choice suds in the tub. ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 09:35:39 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Re: alt.alt. Cocktail.Party.Portland TeriAnn refines the on-site festivities: >A little WC internet group hosted communal evening get together for all the Land >Rover people who are there Fri evening might be a nice touch. Kind of like the >free breakfast we got Sun maorning last year. Eloquently couched! I agree!! (payback time) Granville ------------------------------------ From: "Dale W. Avery" Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 09:40:35 +1100 Subject: Re: Alternative Cocktail Party (Portland) Jim, you wrote: > I kind of agree that the cocktail party really seems more for the Jaguar > crowd -- though I was very lucky with parking last year. > > The pub you mentioned sounds like it could offer a good alternative. I > seem to recall that Portland has several nice and/or interesting pubs. > Oh, my! Does this mean that when Rover owners get together, they consume alchohol laced fluids? This leads to roudiness and uncouth behavior! Does that Granville character also participate? This is most unsettling! I thought vapor lock had to do with carburators and high altitudes. And that knuckle oil was a lubricant for spanners. Am I wrong? What kind of crowd am I getting involved with? Oh, my! will my AMC Gremlin fit in? What will Mommy think? What's this Guinness Stout stuff? Can you lubricate your shifter with it? Is it good on rusty nuts and bolts? I'm confused!! Dale and Rand Rover P.S. Think I found a REAL Rand Rover! Have to start the dickering process and check it out one more time. Will keep you informed and thanks again for all your help! ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 10:11:38 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Re: Alternative Cocktail Party (Portland) Dale is confused: >I thought vapor lock had to do with carburators and high altitudes. Carburettors, actually, old chap. >And that knuckle oil was a lubricant for spanners. Am I wrong? What >kind of crowd am I getting involved with? Oh, my! will my AMC >Gremlin fit in? What will Mommy think? Sorry, no Gremmies. You'll have to get a Ford Taurus SHO. > >What's this Guinness Stout stuff? Can you lubricate your shifter >with it? Is it good on rusty nuts and bolts? I'm confused!! All that and more. >P.S. Think I found a REAL Rand Rover! Have to start the dickering >process and check it out one more time. Will keep you informed... It's about time; we wish you all the luck and whatever else you need to make it happen. See you and your new Rover in Portland. Cheers, Granville ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 95 10:08:38 -0700 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Subject: Re: alt.alt. Cocktail.Party.Portland I'm willing to bring a few six packs of local micro brew and maybe something for those who do not indulge. I mean if we are going to do it why use high volume blagh beer when it could be a micro brewery sampeler? I could also stop off at a store on the way in and pick up some munchies. However, I only have a two burner colman to cook on. If there is a way to get a big barbi to the grounds we could put on chicken, hamburgers or bangers (a humburger for our vegitarian friends) TeriAnn Wakeman .sig closed for remodeling twakeman@apple.com ------------------------------------ From: "John R. Benham" mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 10:10:49 +1100 Subject: Re: `Suds in the Tub'! Granville writes: > >John B. sez: I'll join you at the `Pub' Friday night if I get there in time. > > What? You just talked me out of the pub idea with your better idea of > circling the wagons and putting our bottles of vapour locke in a big > galvanized tub. Have you changed your mind? > > Cheers, > > > Granville > Granville, `Suds in the Tub' on Saturday after the bar-b-que. Pub on Friday. If concenses sez `Suds in the Tub' on Friday and Saturday, that's OK with me! Help me fill the tub: I'll start... Pilsner Urquel Tuborg Miller Reserve Velvet Stout I think we have enough time! It's only seven weeks away! Later, John R. Benham - Editor N.3616 Dowdy Road `The Rover Runner' Spokane, WA 99204 USA ______ |______\_____ 1968 88 IIA Marine Blue *--- [|_/-\____/-\_|} The `BWANA' Mobile *--- (O) (O) 509.747.0692 (H); 509.353.2700 (W); E-Mail: benham@wfoclan.usbm.gov ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 10:41:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Russell Subject: Re: `Suds in the Tub'! I think I am inclined to go for suds in the tub both nights (for the many reasons cited) and very much like the idea of hosting our hosts a bit. Jim Russell ==== jrussell@netcom.com (Seattle -- San Francisco) ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 12:35:55 -0700 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Re: Series ?? 88 You wrote: > > >I have found a 70s something series land rover for sale. I am thinking of >buying it but would like some help in determining if it is a good deal. I >have seen it, it seems to be in pretty good condition (although it does need a >little tlc). I haven't seen it run. I don't think that it has been started >in about a year. It has just been sitting in the parking lot at this guy's >office. I think that the asking price is about $4500, but I know that they >will go lower. The car is located in San Jose, near Almaden and Hedding. If >you want to go look at it with me. (and see if we can get it started) Let me >know, I will try to set up something maybe later this week. > > >Rusty >greer@taligent.com >408-777-5103 > > I'd be interested but I don't think I can realistically commit to getting down to the South Bay during the week. I may also have Saturday commitments (and there's always Matilda). Is it the LR 2.25 or has the owner put a Chevy in it? The price and flexibility sound fair if it fires up. Cheers, Jeremy ------------------------------------ End of Digest