From: mendo_recce@off-road.com Subject: Digest for mendo_recce: 2/7/1997 Errors-To: owner-mendo_recce@off-road.com Reply-To: mendo_recce@off-road.com Precedence: bulk This is the digest for the mendo_recce mailling list ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------ From: "barnett childress" Date: Fri, 7 Feb 97 8:02:50 EST Subject: re: The Lockerless Monster, etc. Jeremy wrote: >Also interesting is a photo in a seperate article of a >D90 wading in the sea off Wales. The bow wave is lapping at the >windscreen. What makes it most interesting is the text implies >the vehicle (or a comparable depth run by a similar vehicle) is >a V-8 equipped version, well waterproofed. Hmmm... makes one wonder :) Sure does! I have the Mantec snorkel kit on my 90. That's a good start but...I would love to get some tips and suggestions on how to waterproof the ECU, the distributor, coil, etc. Some of our mud holes out here in NE get pretty deep with no alternate route around on the trail. If you can keep moving and keep a proper bow wave it's not so bad, but if you get stuck in the DEEP muck or stall....:>. Any one out there care to share their wisdom and help me out? Cheers, Barnett 95 D90 (still deep water challenged :>) ------------- Original Text From: bin , on 2/4/97 8:06 PM: Any of you who know Doug Shipman or know of his rig and don't subscribe to LROI might be interested in picking up "this" month's (yes it actually is February's)issue. Jim Allen has a brief write up on Doug and "Old Blue". There's a nice detail shot of Doug's spring guides. Also interesting is a photo in a seperate article of a D90 wading in the sea off Wales. The bow wave is lapping at the windscreen. What makes it most interesting is the text implies the vehicle (or a comparable depth run by a similar vehicle) is a V-8 equipped version, well waterproofed. Hmmm... makes one wonder :) cheers, Jeremy P.S. The issue also has the first real photo I've seen of the full "CB40". Seems like a very sorry state of affairs for the LR mechanical reputation. I'm glad I got the 90 when I did. Monocoque off road vehicles my ass .. the sorry thing looks like a Subaru. ------------------------------------ From: "Kerner, R." Date: Fri, 07 Feb 97 07:12:00 PST Subject: re: gas mesh filter I took mine out last time I had the tank apart because it was just sitting on the bottom of the tank. I then put an inline filter right outside the tank, so it protects against stuff from getting through to the bowl. I then have another inline filter after the bowl. Between the three filters I figure my gas has to be clean. -Rob kerner@vegmail.ucdavis.edu ------------------------------------ From: bobnsueb@maxinet.com (Bob and Sue Bernard) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 07:50:54 -0800 Subject: Re: FTC988 was Re: granny low (was: PTO Function/Operation?) > >> cheers, >> >> Jeremy >>-- End of excerpt from Jeremy Bartlett > >Hey, where/how do you get such accessories brochures. I'd be very interested >in the "PTO". My experience with the standard D90 steering pump under >high load has not been good. It boiled over on me once. While winching I've seen little coolers in the fluid line on big fords and lincolns. Seems like a good idea maybe to add a cooler if you are using your pump for winching. Bob B >in some thick mud for a couple hours. I've heard that >its relatively low capacity derates the Mile Marker winch by a good 2000lbs >to 7000lbs. Think the advertised 9000lbs is with a GM pump. > >Anyway, I've been thinking, and this isn't something that would happen >anytime soon, run a pump off the PTO. Then do something like running >front and rear hydraulic winches. :) > >Rick >'94 D90 (Low gears, lots and lots of articulation, lifted, worn clutch, > will be interesting to see if/how it works......) >'96 M3 (strongly biased toward street driving so the D90 doesn't have to be) > > ------------------------------------ From: Jeremy Bartlett Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 08:51:49 -0800 Subject: Re: PTO Function/Operation? Granville Pool wrote: > snip > Right. I was a little dense but realized my confusion eventually! You're > idea is brilliant: A power take-on! A hydrostatic-drive Land Rover!! > > I was telling a fellow at work about this and he was intrigued. But then he > said: He could just get an automatic transmission! Well, he's right. No he's wrong :) > He pointed out another shortcoming, too: You'd not have forward and > reverse, only one direction. Right? Or can you get a reversible hydraulic > motor? Valves. :) cheers, Jeremy ------------------------------------ From: Jeremy Bartlett Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 08:49:21 -0800 Subject: Re: FTC988 Rick Larson wrote: > >Hey, where/how do you get such accessories brochures. Good question. I'm not sure now; it came with an order from one of the parts houses. Since BP and RN don't supply them it could have been AB but I don't think so... I'd bet it was from Roverland in Utah now that I think about it. Nothing too much unusual in it that we don't see here apart from 130 photos, bonnet spare mount kits and the PTOs. Bob and Sue Bernard wrote: > > I've seen little coolers in the fluid line on big fords and lincolns. > Seems like a good idea maybe to add a cooler if you are using your pump for > winching. Yup this is definitely part of my thinking. cheers, Jeremy ------------------------------------ From: Jeremy Bartlett Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 10:07:49 -0800 Subject: Re: Notes on the PTO, tales on hydraulic LRs Yrjo Makinen wrote: > snip > > So the first parts specific question is has anyone every installed a PTO > > on a Rover 5 spd/LT230 box? The part number is FTC988 for the v8 (different from FTC989 > > Well, not exactly. But I have un-installed one from my ZF/LT230-combo > :-). The PTO uses same drive flange as the propsafts. It extends > backwards about 15-25 cm. At least in the 2-door rangie it's totally > useless as the drive flange is situated so close to the floor. The LT95 > with the PTO has this same problem. The PTO-concept suits series > vehicles better as they have opennings in the frame x-members (has the > Defender these?) so that the drive from the PTO can be brougth (with a > 'third' propsaft) to the rear of the vehicle. I've not measured exact dimensions yet, but... I can't run a shaft all the way to the rear on my D90 because its NAS and the fuel tank is in the rear. This shouldn't be an issue though since I envision a close up connection/drive and am not planning on a long shaft. > > Only usable (IMHO) PTO-concept, at least for the Rangie, is to get a > hydraulic PTO instead of the mechanical type. I think that somebody has > made these at least for the LT95. You could always make one by combining > the clucth-part of the mechanical PTO to a GP-hydraulic pump (which can > be surprisingly small). Yes there is a hydraulic PTO for the '95. It's in my RR parts catalogue, at any rate (if my memory is accurate). However, I've not come across one for the LT230. They only seem to be mechanical. Anyone know if there's a LT230 hydraulic PTO out there?? > > BTW, why don't you use the ZF, provided with sufficient cooling, you can > crawl all you want. Among other things because I hate automatics :) > > In '74 the National Engineering Laboratory (in UK?) modified a LR to use > a hydraulic pump/motor (can be combined into a single unit) with an > accumulator (30 liter). Idea was to store the kinetic energy of the > vehicle by braking with the pump and thus charging the accumulator. When > accelerating the energy from the accumulator was used to assist (via the > hydr. motor) the process. They achieved a 43% improvement in city > driving cycle. Regrettably I dont't have any further info this, but if > you insist on going the hydraulic way, this migth be a quite usefull > feature to have. You would already have most of the essential HW. Add > only the accumulator and some kind of a control system. Now there's an interesting tangent! I don't think I'll muck about with that though. The concept of braking with a pump/hydraulic system makes me a bit nervous. cheers, Jeremy ------------------------------------ From: John Brabyn Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 10:22:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: CB40/Jeep Cherokee Gerry wrote > >Now there's a good question. Has anyone ever actually seen a Cherokee > >off road? I mean other than the ones that slid into a ditch on their way > >to the ski slopes. :-) Good point Gerry! I my be one of the few who have ever been off road in a Jeep Cherokee -- I rented one in New Mexico last year and gave it several workouts off the pavement, among other things getting myself lost in the snow as darkness fell on some trail crossing the continental divide on an Indian Reservation. I've also been off-road both in, and in convoy with, my Uncle's Cherokee. I think it gives a very creditable performance for a mass market vehicle, and the monocoque construction gives it some nice features like no rattles, a decent power to weight ratio, lower step in height, and probably better side slope capability due to lower overall height. The part time 4WD works well, and is actually nice in some ways in that you can get stuck then shift into 4WD and get out, instead of just getting REALLY stuck in the first place using full-time 4WD!! The main down side I noticed off-road was the much firmer ride and suspension tautness which reduces traction on non-level ground and makes progress really slow (or very spine jarring) on bad roads which the RR will glide effortlessly over. Back on the pavement, of course, the thing is a racehorse compared with any existing Land Rover product, probably even including the 4.6HSE. It was interesting that it won the Four Wheeler of the Year award this year, even though it is now an old design. Of course it's the type of vehicle automotive journalists love due to its excellent chuckability and dragster-like 0-60 time. (Couldn't figure out why the 4.6HSE was not included in the test -- but I wouldn't have been surprised if the Cherokee had still won even then). Cheers John John Brabyn http://home.earthlink.net/~cyberkiwi/rangerover/ 89RR ------------------------------------ From: David Rosenbaum Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 10:33:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Aluminum Roof Racks for D90. Dear Uncle Roger: Thank-you for your thoughtful post regarding your 109's roof rack. I will save it, and *probably* use it when I explain to my wife why we need one (if I ever save up enough money to buy one). Since my vehicle is a D90, there's almost no extra space when my family of four is on-board. So for trips, camping gear and bikes, etc. get carried in a small trailer ('66 Army Jeep M416). But it would be nice to be trailerless at times. My kids would probably *love* to sleep up top (and of course there's no way to sleep inside a D90 with the rear seat in!). I'd like to try sleepingup top - but since I usually get up a couple of times a night to pee, I'd have to be camping in a secluded spot :-0 $1500 is a lot of money, but it is less than the $2300 that LRNA charges for its D90 rack, and the aluminum variety is considerably lighter (and a one-person operation to install or remove). Best wishes, David Rosenbaum ------------------------------------ From: "Hutchins, Stephen" Date: Fri, 07 Feb 97 10:45:00 PST Subject: Subject: Re: Gas mesh filters Found I had this problem a while back too, when r&r-ing my tanks (cleaning and re-sealing helps that rust flake clogging alot!). My rusty tank had actually caused the pickup tube to rot off a bit so that it required a new tube to get the fuel down low in da tank. My solution was to get a brass sink aerator-type plumbing fixture that allows you to install change-able screen disks, this also has the effect of increasing the surface area of the pickup tube end reducing the possibility of total clogage. I had a friend silver solder it on to the new tube. Haven't touched it now for years.... - Steve "92 octane" Hutchins '74 Ser. III 88" ------------------------------------ From: David Rosenbaum Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 10:35:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Aluminum Roof Racks for D90. Dear Uncle Roger: Thank-you for your thoughtful post regarding your 109's roof rack. I will save it, and *probably* use it when I explain to my wife why we need one (if I ever save up enough money to buy one). Since my vehicle is a D90, there's almost no extra space when my family of four is on-board. So for trips, camping gear and bikes, etc. get carried in a small trailer ('66 Army Jeep M416). But it would be nice to be trailerless at times. My kids would probably *love* to sleep up top (and of course there's no way to sleep inside a D90 with the rear seat in!). I'd like to try sleepingup top - but since I usually get up a couple of times a night to pee, I'd have to be camping in a secluded spot :-0 $1500 is a lot of money, but it is less than the $2300 that LRNA charges for its D90 rack, and the aluminum variety is considerably lighter (and a one-person operation to install or remove). Best wishes, David Rosenbaum ------------------------------------ From: Jeremy Bartlett Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 11:27:17 -0800 Subject: Blue 110 County Just Spotted in Walnut Creek A blue 110 County (including UK style body stripes) LHD just drove past my office window in Walnut Creek (located near Cole European). I just happened to look up as it drove by. Does anyone know who this belongs to? I didn't get the plate #. It was in excellent condition. Couldn't hear if it was TDi though or get a good estimate of year. It had a black with yellow LR vinyl tire cover on the rear (RNs?). Beautiful looking vehicle. cheers Jeremy ------------------------------------ From: jouster@redm.primextech.com (John Ousterhout) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 12:39:25 -0800 Subject: Gas mesh filters I've found lots of similar uses for fine stainless steel safety wire. Make two wraps holding the screen to the tube, twist with the cool pliers made for the purpose, snip off the excess, fold the little tail down flat, and it'll fit through the hole with no problem. JohnO ------------------------------------ From: Mike Cavender Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 12:09:48 -0800 Subject: Discovery Roof Rack For an interesting rack.. check out this site http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/pdpr/roofrack.htm mcavender@proaxis.com 541.924.9571 Oregon, USA .=====^==========^==========^=====. / (#) ___________________ \ ,|________/ _______________ \________|, | .---. | / \ | .---. | | | | | | |'%,| | | | | | | | | | | | | ,---, | | | | | | | | | | ,---, `---'\| `---' | `-----------------' | `---' |/'---' ,'=======| ___ |=======`, |(o) | /__,| '%, (o)| |(o) | `---' _____ | (o)| | | | O | | ____ || || (SCO) | | O O | | | SSF||| |` | `-----' '%,|675H||| ||_______|_____________________|_______|| \ | _ | / \________________[ - ]________________/ |\\~//|_~~~~~~~~~'~~~.___/~~~~~_|\\~//| |\\~//| |\\~//| |\\~//| |\\~//| |\\~//| |\\~//| |\\~//| |\\~//| |_\_/_| |_\_/_| ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1969 "109" Series IIa ------------------------------------ From: "Rick Larson" Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 13:09:43 -0800 Subject: Re: FTC988 was Re: granny low (was: PTO Function/Operation?) On Feb 7, 7:50am, Bob and Sue Bernard wrote: > Subject: Re: FTC988 was Re: granny low (was: PTO Function/Operation?) > > > > >> cheers, > >> > >> Jeremy > >>-- End of excerpt from Jeremy Bartlett > > > >Hey, where/how do you get such accessories brochures. I'd be very interested > >in the "PTO". My experience with the standard D90 steering pump under > >high load has not been good. It boiled over on me once. While winching > > I've seen little coolers in the fluid line on big fords and lincolns. > Seems like a good idea maybe to add a cooler if you are using your pump for > winching. > > Bob B > > > > >in some thick mud for a couple hours. I've heard that > >its relatively low capacity derates the Mile Marker winch by a good 2000lbs > >to 7000lbs. Think the advertised 9000lbs is with a GM pump. > > > >Anyway, I've been thinking, and this isn't something that would happen > >anytime soon, run a pump off the PTO. Then do something like running > >front and rear hydraulic winches. :) > > > >Rick > >'94 D90 (Low gears, lots and lots of articulation, lifted, worn clutch, > > will be interesting to see if/how it works......) > >'96 M3 (strongly biased toward street driving so the D90 doesn't have to be) > > > > >-- End of excerpt from Bob and Sue Bernard The scary thing was that I was using an electric winch. The problem was that the I needed to keep the wheels turned to try and keep the D90 off the side of a embankment and to try and climb up onto firm ground. A side slope kept trying to slide the D90 into the embankment. (Thats where I picked up the dent in the right front fender.) The load from keeping the wheels turned caused it to boil over. Fortunatedly I was pretty much out (after 2+ hours of winching) at that point. Stalled the Warn winch once or twice and had to dig alot. (Just can't pull bumpers through the mud uphill.....) -Rick -Rick ------------------------------------ From: dickins@exemplar.com (Scott Dickinson) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 13:22:52 -0800 Subject: Reminder... Friday evening Rover not-a-meet at the Utah Hotel, 4th and Bryant in San Francisco. About 7 or 8 o'clock in the pm. That's tonight! Scott '91 RR "Evan" (now Bilstein equiped) LotGWPH ------------------------------------ From: "Bren & Lynne' Workman" Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 12:06:42 -0500 Subject: Hello from Alaska Hello, everybody. I'm a lieutenant stationed at Ft Wainwright, Alaska. (Fairbanks) I aquired my Rover 6 months ago and gladly handed over my To***a LandCruiser for her. I have got a million low-tech questions that I hope I don't bore you all with, but your help will be greatly appreciated. I'm restoring to original with only a few comfort mods. First question: does any one know of any used hoop sets or full lengnth canvases to be had? After being holed-up inside all of these months, I'm ready to go topless! Have you ever heard of anyone dying a blue canvas to black? Thanks, Bren Workman. '72 Ser III 88" "Tilly" (u "Tilly" tarian) ------------------------------------ From: dickins@exemplar.com (Scott Dickinson) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 13:49:02 -0800 Subject: Re: Disco lease MP: Cool... the Blue is really nice. Doug Forehand has that color Disco (or near it). You will agree with me on the leather choice when you open the door and whiff that first smell of fresh leather seats... Especially after being in Europe for a couple of weeks. Enjoy, Scott ------------------------------------ From: Kelly Minnick Date: Fri, 7 Feb 97 14:31:34 PST Subject: Re: PTO Function/Operation? > or does it start to become inefficient due to leakage past the pump etc. (I'm > clueless here). > > > Jeremy > Talking about efficiencies, you will have losses on Both pumps (the hydraulic motor is really a pump run backwards).. Plus the lines (at 3000 psi) and the major amounts of heat produced... How about a DC servo motor that has constant torque at all RPM? How about some lower gears? If you use a pre-'65 transfer case with a post '65 transmission, you can have something like 52:1. Or maybe run two transfer cases - one into the other? The Mog has a low of 112:1. surely there are other ratios for low range that would not effect Highway? How about some really small tires? (12"??) Later, Kelly Minnick ------------------------------------ From: Kelly Minnick Date: Fri, 7 Feb 97 14:37:05 PST Subject: Re: A poem... Dale said > Don't know Scott, I'm finishing my second Black Dog Ale and it sounds pretty > good to me. Now let's see, Kelly is Irish, right? So Kevin Kelly has > ancestors from the Emerald Isle, but what about Kelly Minnick? Must be one > of us Heinz 57 Americans, eh?? > > Actually, Minnick is German, therefore the Mog. Kelly is definately Irish, therefore the Land Rover... Kelly Minnick ------------------------------------ From: GElam30092@aol.com Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 18:02:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: Roof racks <> I think that's about 35 cents actually. ;-) I agree with everything that you said. Sleeping up top is another reason to consider the GI version. It's 7 feet v. 6.5 for the LR. I was thinking of rigging up a small pvc frame, net and cover for Belize. Seems like a really simple thing to do too. And, I'm sure I would use it on every off-road trip too. The problem is that I can't won't leave my Discovery outside year-round. It's gets easily to 140-150 degrees inside a vehicle on an average Phoenix summer day. I think that shortens the life of every non-metal component. In addition, 90% of the crime in this part of Phoenix involves breaking into parked cars. (Actually, we're lucky here... very/very little crime to speak of.) Also, I still do voluntary work for the Sheriff's Dept. When I put my light bar on top, I can't block them in any way. And a Disco with a set of red/blue lights looks slick... unless they're behind you ! :-) About 15 months ago, I asked the list for advice on affixing the decals (magnetic) to the Discovery. Simple solution: clear tape. You can't see it from outside of 4 feet. Yes... I'm getting a rack. And I'll love it too. Now.. if my neighbors don't mind giving me a hand getting it up and down! Gerry Elam PHX AZ ------------------------------------ From: dickins@exemplar.com (Scott Dickinson) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 15:14:48 -0800 Subject: GI, El Cajon racks.. Gerry Elam wrote: :> Is the $200 difference worth it to chance on something none of us have :> seen? The LR/SD rack is a somewhat known quality. The GI, while being :> new to most to us, is also perceived as a somewhat decent rack. I will be there next week to look their stuff over. However, I do not have a gorilla handy in which to test the rack using proper Land Rover methods. Maybe I will attach a rack and drive Evan over to the San Diego Zoo and let the orangutangs go at it for an hour or so. Would that be sufficient? I am looking at 1/2 racks... do they have one listed??? Scott '91 RR GDE "Evan" (Safari outfitting in progress) ------------------------------------ From: GElam30092@aol.com Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 18:32:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: Rack, spare tires , ladders and other insults :-) >>Are you going all the way to Belize (a 1500 mile journey after all :-) ) and back with only 1 spare tire?!>> Nah... new tires all around. Goodrich AT's now. No Mi"$hit"lens that in which every puncture was in the threads. Never lost a sidewall to their credit. >>I don't know if you already have the ladder on the back door, but having had a roof rack and NO ladder, I'd recommend adding the ladder. (I finally put one on last month, BTW) Since I got tired of almost falling off the spare tire trying to get stuff in/out of the roof rack.>> Uh.... If I remember correctly, at 6' 2", I'm about a foot taller than....someone else. :-) I'm real comfortable climbing on the rear spare. Beside, the ladder mounted at the far right of the door hinges seems to create an un-necessary lever action on the hinges (for me, that's 230 pounds offset ~ 4 feet from the hinges). I don't even like the spare where it is either but there doesn't seem to be an alternative. Unlike the IIA where my swing carrier is mounted to the rear cross member, there is nothing short of body work to attach to on a Disco. Cheers... Gerry "no flats in two months" Elam ------------------------------------ From: dickins@exemplar.com (Scott Dickinson) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 15:55:21 -0800 Subject: White? Kevin Kelly wrote: :> Scott's Great Divide Edition should be easy to spot, like the D110 you :> could get a Great Divide in any color you wanted, as long as it was :> white ;-) In *Alpine* White at that... Hey, I see in the new Atlantic-British rag that there are '89 and '90 GDE Rangies for sale, in several colors. That small plaque on the back has then puzzled I guess. Imposters! Zey vill be shot! Scott In a *REAL* '91 RR GDE... ------------------------------------ From: Bob Watson Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 16:01:22 -0800 Subject: RE: Rangies in the Movies... I thought the good guys (well the DEA guys anyway) drove Chev Suburbans with bullet proof windows, not RPG (Rocket Propelled Grenade) proof, though. I thought it was interesting to watch the bad guys zooming up the dirt road in the Rangie. From the exterior shots, the Rangie was floating over the bumps in the fashion to which I've become accustomed :-) . OTOH, the interior shots of the people in the car showed them bouncing around like they were in a J**p or somesuch! Artistic license, I suppose. -- Bob W. -----Original Message----- From: dickins@exemplar.com [SMTP:dickins@exemplar.com] Sent: Friday, February 07, 1997 3:44 PM To: mendo_recce@off-road.com Subject: Rangies in the Movies... I was watching the tube the other night and a Harrison Ford movie was on. A CIA mucking in Columbia movie; Harrison was a CIA agent who does the "right thing." Anyway, in this movie were several Rangies... all powder blue and being driven by the evil cartel members. Seems to me they are depicting an immage that my car should be driven by rich coke dealing hispanic bad guys in Latin America, and I am in the wrong business (I need to change my hairstyle, accent and immage). The CIA guys all drove old Chevy vans. Anyway, the Rangies managed to avoid all the bullets and missile strikes just like Harrison Ford. Anazing to see a lazer guided missile absolutely demolish a cartel villa and clearly miss the nearby Range Rovers. I was rooting for the Rangies of course... and they all came through! Not a scratch on one of them. Scott '91 RR GDE "Evan" ------------------------------------ From: Bob Watson Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 15:56:08 -0800 Subject: RE: Rack, spare tires , ladders and other insults :-) Ouch! Gerry, you're only 8" taller, so there! :-) The leverage thing with the door is only an issue if you climb on the ladder with the door open, which is something only my kids would do...until they are caught anyway! I did notice the top of the door flexing, though so you're point has some validity even with the door closed. Climbing the tire is OK, even for me...until it gets wet anyway (a rare occurrence in PHX, I suppose, but quite common here in the NW). Happy Trails! -- Bob W. -----Original Message----- From: bin [SMTP:bin@unix.off-road.com] Sent: Friday, February 07, 1997 4:02 AM To: mendo_recce@off-road.com Subject: Rack, spare tires , ladders and other insults :-) >>Are you going all the way to Belize (a 1500 mile journey after all :-) ) and back with only 1 spare tire?!>> Nah... new tires all around. Goodrich AT's now. No Mi"$hit"lens that in which every puncture was in the threads. Never lost a sidewall to their credit. >>I don't know if you already have the ladder on the back door, but having had a roof rack and NO ladder, I'd recommend adding the ladder. (I finally put one on last month, BTW) Since I got tired of almost falling off the spare tire trying to get stuff in/out of the roof rack.>> Uh.... If I remember correctly, at 6' 2", I'm about a foot taller than....someone else. :-) I'm real comfortable climbing on the rear spare. Beside, the ladder mounted at the far right of the door hinges seems to create an un-necessary lever action on the hinges (for me, that's 230 pounds offset ~ 4 feet from the hinges). I don't even like the spare where it is either but there doesn't seem to be an alternative. Unlike the IIA where my swing carrier is mounted to the rear cross member, there is nothing short of body work to attach to on a Disco. Cheers... Gerry "no flats in two months" Elam ------------------------------------ From: dickins@exemplar.com (Scott Dickinson) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 15:44:24 -0800 Subject: Rangies in the Movies... I was watching the tube the other night and a Harrison Ford movie was on. A CIA mucking in Columbia movie; Harrison was a CIA agent who does the "right thing." Anyway, in this movie were several Rangies... all powder blue and being driven by the evil cartel members. Seems to me they are depicting an immage that my car should be driven by rich coke dealing hispanic bad guys in Latin America, and I am in the wrong business (I need to change my hairstyle, accent and immage). The CIA guys all drove old Chevy vans. Anyway, the Rangies managed to avoid all the bullets and missile strikes just like Harrison Ford. Anazing to see a lazer guided missile absolutely demolish a cartel villa and clearly miss the nearby Range Rovers. I was rooting for the Rangies of course... and they all came through! Not a scratch on one of them. Scott '91 RR GDE "Evan" ------------------------------------ From: Kevin Kelly Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 15:51:20 -0800 Subject: Where's Jim Russell?? >What happened to Master James of the keen wit and the well >honed insight? I just saw him a couple weeks back at the Albatross in Berkeley. Does anyone know if Jim works in SF? I was talking to a friend that drives across the bay bridge every morning and he said he sees a guy in an 88 at least a couple times a week. I asked him to describe the Land Rover and the guy and it sounds like Jim. Kevin Kelly ------------------------------------ From: davery@on-ramp.ior.com (Dale W. Avery) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 97 16:43:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: A poem... > >Actually, Minnick is German, therefore the Mog. Kelly is definately Irish, >therefore the Land Rover... > >Kelly Minnick > O.K., I think I get it...so let's see, I'm 3/4's Norwegiian and 1/4 German, all smart sensible folks, right? So why do I have this beautiful little Series III moneypit sitting in my garage, Laughing at me as I try to get the wanker, um I mean Weber, one barrel carb working??? By the way, love this graphical display of keyboard handcrafting: .=====^==========^==========^=====. / (#) ___________________ \ ,|________/ _______________ \________|, | .---. | / \ | .---. | | | | | | |'%,| | | | | | | | | | | | | ,---, | | | | | | | | | | ,---, `---'\| `---' | `-----------------' | `---' |/'---' ,'=======| ___ |=======`, |(o) | /__,| '%, (o)| |(o) | `---' _____ | (o)| | | | O | | ____ || || (SCO) | | O O | | | SSF||| |` | `-----' '%,|675H||| ||_______|_____________________|_______|| \ | _ | / \________________[ - ]________________/ |\\~//|_~~~~~~~~~'~~~.___/~~~~~_|\\~//| |\\~//| |\\~//| |\\~//| |\\~//| |\\~//| |\\~//| |\\~//| |\\~//| |_\_/_| |_\_/_| ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Now, if I could only crush in the Left side a bit, put a roof rack on it, and change the license plate to "MSDAISY", it would be perfect!! The guy who did this is good! ----- Dale W. Avery KC7MM & Ms Daisy '73-SIII-88" "No matter where you go, there you are." ------------------------------------ From: davery@on-ramp.ior.com (Dale W. Avery) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 97 16:47:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Roof racks Ah, Gerry, I was thinking of >rigging up a small pvc frame, net and cover for Belize. Seems like a really >simple thing to do too. > > When I put my light >bar on top, I can't block them in any way. Aren't you going to Belize during the wet season? Are you planning on leaving a light bar/roof rack up there while driving through the jungle? ----- Dale W. Avery KC7MM & Ms Daisy '73-SIII-88" "No matter where you go, there you are." ------------------------------------ From: Bailey717@aol.com Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 20:03:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Upgrades, was Aluminum Roof Racks for D90. I also have two tanks with a weber 1 bbl. I sugest you first clean the dirty tank. I had a nagging fuel problem last year. After cleaning the tanks, replacing the pump, cleaning all the lines I still had a problem. Then I removed the switching valve between tanks. No more problem. The military style valve has a leather gasket with small holes for selecting right or left tank. These were deteriorating and filling up on mine. If you open this valve replace the gasket. Pat Bailey 109 SIII ------------------------------------ From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 17:12:15 -0800 Subject: Re: Roger's rack & plans At 4:38 PM 2/6/97 -0800, Uncle Roger wrote: <> > On camping trips and >vacations, The water bottles (5gal Black Mountain >Spring Water) go up top too. > >When I get around to getting a jackall, that'll get mounted up there, as do >the jerrycans. Roger, the lower you can carry the heavy stuff such as water and petrol the happier you will be. You already have one front tank and one rear tank. You have almost three times the fuel capacity of a stock 88. If you need more, put a second front tank in under the left seat. That will give you 40 gallons at frame level while making your car more stable. For water, remember there is lots of space under the side benches between the front fuel tanks and the front of the rear wheels. Thanks to Bruce, I have 15 gallons of water under one side. If you put a tank on both sides you can carry 30 gallons of water without taking up any space in the car or raising your centre of gravity. Or you can carry 15 gallons of water on one side and a 5 gal. propane tank on the other like I do. > I've got a couple of lights >that I'm gonna mount on the front of the rack, and I want to get a worklight >for the back. (And maybe a couple of brake lights to hang under it too.) > When you are ready to do this I can lend you a picture I took of a Camel Trophy 110 roof rack mounted lighting. It shows that there is a seperate bolt on light cage made of angle stock and bent flat stock. It should be easy to do with a little welding. It would protect your lights and be bolt on to your rack. >When it gets back on the road Are you still down from the engine not getting its oil? Whats happening with the four door & the series III? TeriAnn twakeman@scruznet.com ------------------------------------ From: dickins@exemplar.com (Scott Dickinson) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 18:42:25 -0800 Subject: Joke of *next* week ***** Scott's Left Coast Joke for Next Week ***** A yuppie opened the door of his HSE, when suddenly a car came along and hit the door, ripping it off completely. When the police arrived at the scene, the yuppy was complaining bitterly about the damage to his precious Range Rover. "Officer, look what they've done to my Raaaaangieeee!!!", he whined. "You yuppies are so materialistic, you make me sick!!!", retorted the officer. "You're so worried about your stupid Rover, that you didn't even notice that your left arm was ripped off!!!" "Oh my gaaawd..." replied the yuppy, finally noticing the bloody left shoulder where his arm once was, "Where's my Rolex!!!!" *************************************************************************** OK, Ben, you can remove me from the list on Monday... I will have a new email address over at Sun in 2 weeks time. Until then... when my day in the Sun will have arrived! Scott '91 RR GDE "Evan" ------------------------------------ From: "Walter C. Swain" Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 18:28:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Blue 110 County Just Spotted in Walnut Creek On Fri, 7 Feb 1997, Jeremy Bartlett wrote: > A blue 110 County (including UK style body stripes) LHD just drove past my office window > in Walnut Creek (located near Cole European). I just happened to look up as it drove by. > Does anyone know who this belongs to? I didn't get the plate #. > It was in excellent condition. Couldn't hear if it was TDi though or get a good estimate of year. > It had a black with yellow LR vinyl tire cover on the rear (RNs?). Beautiful looking vehicle. This sounds like the one that was at Palo Alto last September. Rumor has it that it has changed hands a number of times at ever increasing prices. I recall somebody posting the text of a classified last fall offering it (or one of the many 110's just like it) at some price that was far removed from my reality. I'm sure somebody remembers more.... Rgds, Walt * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Walter C. Swain | wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us * * Davis Community Network | 1969 LR Dormobile- "Bertha" * * Davis, California | 1988 Range Rover- "Lady Jane" * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------------ From: GElam30092@aol.com Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 22:24:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: GI, El Cajon racks.. In a message dated 97-02-07 18:17:33 EST, you write: <<=20 I am looking at 1/2 racks... do they have one listed??? >> It's in that info I send yesterday. It may have been difficult to read s= o here: 4 =92 2" by 4=92 by 4" Discovery part number 42404 $229.50 Mount kit 28018 $98.95 Floor kit 11406 $ not listed but would probably be ar= ound $90. But I have to confess... I placed an order today. But stop by anyway and take a quick look. =20 Gerry Elam PHX AZ ------------------------------------ From: Jeremy John Bartlett Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 18:59:05 -0800 Subject: Alternates to Re: PTO Function/Operation? Kelly Minnick wrote: > > Talking about efficiencies, you will have losses on Both pumps (the hydraulic > motor is really a pump run backwards).. Plus the lines (at 3000 psi) and > the major amounts of heat produced... How about a DC servo motor that has > constant torque at all RPM? Yes very true (I'm not sure how to calculate/estimate the losses power needed though). There's a number of problems with electrical I believe/understand(?) (also heat distribution, amount of current/power, sensitivity to water, controller...) > > How about some lower gears? If you use a pre-'65 transfer case with a post > '65 transmission, you can have something like 52:1. Or maybe run two > transfer cases - one into the other? The Mog has a low of 112:1. surely > there are other ratios for low range that would not effect Highway? The primary consideration is no deterioration of current gearing performance which I'm very happy with. I don't want to create an "off-road only" vehicle. I also don't want to get into extensive mechanical modifications of existing components. > How about some really small tires? (12"??) You laugh, but the first time I called up a US tire co. asking for 7.50x16s (I think it was when I was looking for Trac Edges and I believe it was Wheel Works) the fellow asked me if I wanted them for a go-cart. And anyway, I've not been impressed by the Tiny Swampers I've seen :) cheers, Jeremy ------------------------------------ From: davery@on-ramp.ior.com (Dale W. Avery) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 97 19:33:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Upgrades, was Aluminum Roof Racks for D90. >I also have two tanks with a weber 1 bbl. I sugest you first clean the dirty >tank. I had a nagging fuel problem last year. After cleaning the tanks, >replacing the pump, cleaning all the lines I still had a problem. Then I >removed the switching valve between tanks. No more problem. The military >style valve has a leather gasket with small holes for selecting right or left >tank. These were deteriorating and filling up on mine. If you open this valve >replace the gasket. > >Pat Bailey >109 SIII > Pat, how did you clean up/out your gas tanks? I'm getting rust in my fuel bowl and in the weber. You are probably aware of how poorly a one barrel will run gunked up... ----- Dale W. Avery KC7MM & Ms Daisy '73-SIII-88" "No matter where you go, there you are." ------------------------------------ From: Caroline Hinshaw Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 21:22:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: D-90 Service Cost DEDLAWR ('94 D-90) is past the 45,000 mark. I had the 45,000 major service done at Roverland in SF. Cost: $230 something. The front brakes were down to 20%. Had the brake job done + the 45,000 mi. service. Total cost +/- $350. N.B.: I'm now told that the D-90 commonly uses about 1 qt. of oil per 1,000 miles. DEDLAWR was down 3 something quarts after 3,000+ last weekend. He was banging away, but quieted down with the addition of oil (not a good thing). What's the experience of other D-90s re oil consumption????? Caroline ------------------------------------ From: fhyap@ix.netcom.com Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:16:36 -0800 Subject: Re: D-90 Service Cost Caroline Hinshaw wrote: > > > N.B.: I'm now told that the D-90 commonly uses about 1 qt. of oil per 1,000 > miles. DEDLAWR was down 3 something quarts after 3,000+ last weekend. He > was banging away, but quieted down with the addition of oil (not a good > thing). What's the experience of other D-90s re oil consumption????? > > Caroline My informal survey of owners of the 3.9 engine indicated consumption of approximately 1 quart per 1K-3K (most said about 2k-3k). According to a LRNA representative, 800 mi is the threshold. I switched to synthetic and I believe consumption has fallen ... but I haven't put on enough miles to verify. Frank ------------------------------------ From: BajaRover@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 02:01:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: MiniDigest part 1/6 for mendo_recce: 2/7/1997 --PART.BOUNDARY.0.4451.emout12.mail.aol.com.855385273 Content-ID: <0_4451_855385274@emout12.mail.aol.com.19657> Content-type: text/plain Baja Non Verbis sed re ------------------------------------ From: Kevin Kelly Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 16:10:32 -0800 Subject: Re: Blue 110 County Just Spotted in Walnut Creek >A blue 110 County (including UK style body stripes) LHD just >drove past my office window in Walnut Creek (located near Cole >European). I just happened to look up as it drove by. Does >anyone know who this belongs to? It sounds like the blue 110 that was at the Palo Alto British car meet this summer. I forget the owners name. Kevin Kelly ------------------------------------ End of Digest