From: mendo_recce@off-road.com Subject: Digest for mendo_recce: 2/23/1997 Errors-To: owner-mendo_recce@off-road.com Reply-To: mendo_recce@off-road.com Precedence: bulk This is the digest for the mendo_recce mailling list ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------ From: "S. F. Yee" Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 01:09:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: If it smells like gas... Of course I'd forgotten that one ought to make an appointment before bringing one's vehicle in for something as significant as a new fuel tank. So I called British Motors SF & they said the earliest appointment was no earlier than the week of March 3. With my truck's problem, this was too long for me. R.A.B. in San Rafael said next week, so SAMS goes under the knife this coming Tuesday there. Thanks Kevin for sharing your "experience" @BMSF. Looks like I will be spared that but will nonetheless have another at R.A.B. For what little it's worth, R.A.B.'s appointment reservation system was so much more thorough than BM's casual "see you (whomever you are) on March 6" attitude. R.A.B. asked for my full name, work and home #s, inquired if I needed other work & double-checked to see if they had fuel tanks in stock. BMSF did not. My Rover still smells like gas. I've tracked it down (I think) to broken rubber tubing that runs parallel to the main fuel intake pipe & off to the auxiliary fuel filter. It's stopped leaking but the time has come. SF wondering if there is a faq listing everyone's favorite repair shop (i know there are some of you out there who don't do all their own work!) ------------------------------------ From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 07:30:20 -0800 Subject: Re: Hippo motors At 9:27 PM 2/22/97 -0800, Granville Pool wrote: > the same as the one used on the Series >I f-head four-cylinder engines. The six is that engine with two more >cylinders added, which is a kind way of saying just how seriously obsolete >that six is. I mean, an f-head? Good grief! BUZZZZZ Thanks for playing. The flat head engine has both intake and exhaust valves in the engine block. The 'L' head engine has one valve in the head and one in the block. The Land Rover 6 cylinder is an 'L' head. As a consolation prize, you need to spend the time to get poor Snark back on the trails. It would be nice to see you reunited with a functional Land Rover. (No put down intended) > >I assume this is for your Dormobile. Wouldn't you really rather have a more >powerful engine to pull around all that ponderous weight? The Dormobile popup top weighs about the same as my old tropical top. The weight of the bunk frames and glass roof windows cancel the savings from the fiberglass roof. The stove/sink assembly weighs about 40-50 pounds. The wardrobe about 30-40 pounds. The seats may be slightly heavier than the stationwagon seats. You have the weight of a pair of 2.5 Gal propane tanks and a small wood table. The stuff is more bulky than heavy. Its my guess that the difference in weight between a 109 stationwagon and a stock four door Dormobile with the same engine, both cars empty and dry, is less than the weight of a standard adult passanger used to calculate aircraft weight and balance. On the other hand, the interior of Walt's Dormobile is much nicer than stock and probably much heavier. As I remember, its got the nicest interior I have seen in a Dormobile. TeriAnn Wakeman "Large format photographers look Santa Cruz California at the world upside down and twakeman@scruznet.com backwards" ------------------------------------ From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 07:30:11 -0800 Subject: Re: Using a Weber, was "Come uppance" At 7:46 PM 2/22/97 -0800, Dale W. Avery wrote: >Now let's see, I do have some starter paste left from my Svea stove.... Paste? My Svea stove is started by pouring some white gas in a little cup on top and lighting it on fire to heat up the stove. Once upon a time I used to car camp with my back packing gear. One day I was parked next to a Honda Civc. They had a folding table, a couple of chairs, big tent, colman lanterns, colman stove, ice chest and more. There I was, sitting on a tarp, with a Svea 123 miniture stove, cooking dried foods hydrated from a canteen in a little one person backpacking mess kit. Small backpacking pup tent very light sleeping bag and small flashlight for night light. I looked at their comfortable camp, and I looked at my minimal camp. Then I looked at the Civc then my 109. Suddenly I had a paradigim shift > >Hey, where can I see some digitized views of you green machine??? My web site is sitting unfinished in my computer. One of these days, I hope to get more of it done & get it up. The Green Rover has been undergoing a LOT of appearence choices over the last year. I probably will not take any pictures untill the panels behind the doors are painted. John Hess took a few pictures that include the Green Rover on the way to Portland '96. I think those are the most recent pictures. She is about to undergo another appearance change. Thanks to the efforts of Richard Brownlee, I now have a new set of wingtop protectors (to get at a future roof rack). They will go on the wing tops. On the left side, I will mount a shovel (Thanks John O.) using the same location and fittings that are used on a Camel Tophy 110. On the right side of the bonnet, next to the spare, I will be mounting the pick head, using 101 mounting hardware, and the removable head pick from a military Land Rover (Thanks again to Richard). Today, I hope to get the single side facing fold up seat (Thanks to Scotty) mounted on the bench oposit the Dormobile stove. Svea 123? naaa.. a propane 2 burner stove with broiler sitting next to the dual sinks. TeriAnn Wakeman "Large format photographers look Santa Cruz California at the world upside down and twakeman@scruznet.com backwards" ------------------------------------ From: Jeremy John Bartlett Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 09:11:55 -0800 Subject: Pick and Shovel was Re: Using a Weber, was "Come uppance" TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > snip > She is about to undergo another appearance change. Thanks to the efforts > of Richard Brownlee, I now have a new set of wingtop protectors (to get at > a future roof rack). They will go on the wing tops. On the left side, I > will mount a shovel (Thanks John O.) using the same location and fittings > that are used on a Camel Tophy 110. On the right side of the bonnet, next > to the spare, I will be mounting the pick head, using 101 mounting > hardware, and the removable head pick from a military Land Rover (Thanks > again to Richard). TeriAnn, You might want to look at mounting the pick head on the right wing if you're putting the protector there. I've done this on Samson (D90) with a pretty hefty pick head (not the wimpy style RN sells :) ). Even with a very large pick head there's still room for the Mantec Snorkel. (Sides are reversed in my case). I'm not sure of your options for the pick handle; I rigged tie down brackets on the top of my "Bull/Roo/Rhino/Pedestrian/Tree" bar. BTW I'm not sure what type of shovel your using. I measured the wing and picked up a very good appropriately sized one from OSH. The only modification to the mounts I found necessary was some distortion of the blade retainer to better "pinch" the blade in place. I also shifted the rear bracket from the intended end of the spade to inside the handle where it does a better job of holding the thing in place laterally and transversely. cheers, Jeremy P.S. The mountings I used were basically those used to mount tools on the Series tail gate. ------------------------------------ From: davery@on-ramp.ior.com (Dale W. Avery) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 97 08:45:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: The "New" camping >>Now let's see, I do have some starter paste left from my Svea stove.... > >Paste? My Svea stove is started by pouring some white gas in a little cup >on top and lighting it on fire to heat up the stove. > >Once upon a time I used to car camp with my back packing gear. One day I >was parked next to a Honda Civc. They had a folding table, a couple of >chairs, big tent, colman lanterns, colman stove, ice chest and more. There >I was, sitting on a tarp, with a Svea 123 miniture stove, cooking dried >foods hydrated from a canteen in a little one person backpacking mess kit. >Small backpacking pup tent very light sleeping bag and small flashlight for >night light. I looked at their comfortable camp, and I looked at my >minimal camp. Then I looked at the Civc then my 109. > >Suddenly I had a paradigim shift > I have converted also. No more minimalist camping for me! I now carry two oversized camp cots from Cabella, foam pads, a 11' x 11' Kelly tent, foldup table, coleman stove & lamp, enough food for an army 5-10 gal of water, two fold up chairs; all the small stuff fits into Rubbermaid storage containers, the cots, hi-lift jack, shovel and ax go on the roof rack. I may not go fast, but I go in style! I even enjoy listening to Vivaldi's Four Seasons as I prepare the evening meal, ah what a life! I almost forgot to tell you about the small geologic library for light reading in the evenings. ----- Dale W. Avery KC7MM & Ms Daisy '73-SIII-88" "No matter where you go, there you are." ------------------------------------ From: GElam30092@aol.com Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 11:52:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: Saturday morning Scott... thanks for stopping by Garvin. I appreciate your inputs. Spent the morning working on the Discovery. I had mounted the Garmin 40 = over on the ashtray but it was too far for my poor eyes to see. So... I had t= o move it closer. =20 Since I just got the dash replaced several weeks ago, I didn't relish the thought of putting holes in it. But, if you can=92t modify a LR the way = you want it, what=92s the point? So, with great fear and trepidation, I bega= n taking the center dash area apart. Just to please the Lucas, I shorted a fuse and chanted "Please let everything work after I=92ve finished it" th= ree times. I have a manual but it isn=92t really that detailed. Since I=92m basical= ly all thumbs, it took longer than I thought. There are parts of the instructio= n that say remove this.. remove that but no move details. The radio was a little difficult but after an hour, I had it and everything else out. =20 Essentially, I wanted to mount the Garvin holder just to the right of the instruments on top of the dash. To get under this area, the dash had to = come apart. Once apart, it was a simple manner of putting three small holes f= or the mount. Putting it all back together was quick and easy. Now the external antenna lead runs from the sunroof over to the left of the overh= ead storage area and down the left pillar behind the trim and across to the G= PS. The power supply lead tucks off beside the clock/cruise switches, etc. o= ver to the lighter. I would have hidden it too but there=92s a 3 / 4 inch pl= astic bump which is too much trouble to pass through any tight areas. =20 Now I can see where I=92m at while I=92m getting there... :-) =20 Next... wiring the relays and switches for lights. =20 Gerry Elam PHX AZ ------------------------------------ From: Granville Pool Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 10:30:04 -0800 Subject: L-head, F-head, I-head (was Re: Hippo motors) Ooo, TeriAnn, Glad I didn't delete your message without reading it, as I so nearly did. >BUZZZZZ Thanks for playing. The flat head engine has both intake and >exhaust valves in the engine block. The 'L' head engine has one valve in >the head and one in the block. The Land Rover 6 cylinder is an 'L' head. I dinna say flathead. I said F-head. F-head is what you describe as L-head. L-head is what you describe and F-head and is another name for flathead or as the Brits call it, side-valve; World Book Encyclopedia also calls it "underhead" as opposed to overhead which it also calls "I-head." F-head it doesn't even mention as it's a pretty rare configuration. For good-enough reasons, I think. While a Chevy six is a bit of an awkward conversion in a Land-Rover that was factory-equipped with a four-cylinder engine, it's a natural for one that had the factory six. I had one (a '67 NADA SW) and found the power to be adequate, certainly not any sort of overkill. Now, if you'll excuse me, I must go work on the Snark's braking system. Cheers, Granny ------------------------------------ From: Don MacDonald Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 12:05:08 Subject: Subscribe Ben, Can you put me(don@direct.ca) on the REAL TIME list please!!! Thank You, ------------------------------------- Don MacDonald _____________<| |>| 000000 | .."\ ___ |________|_\/__\_|___|_ | ____ | | ____ | |_/ __ \_|_____|_/ __ \|] / \ / \ Tweety \__/ \__/ "I tot I taw a puty tat" Yellow 1966 Series IIA (refurbished) New Project: Tremclad Green 1964 Series IIA (soon to be coil sprung deluxe!!) ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------ From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 13:40:44 -0800 Subject: Re: Pick and Shovel was Re: Using a Weber, was "Come uppance" At 9:11 AM 2/23/97 -0800, Jeremy John Bartlett wrote: >TeriAnn, > >You might want to look at mounting the pick head on the right wing if you're >putting the protector there. I've thought about that. There is no place to put a ladder on a car with Dormobile top so the wing top is about the only way I have to get up to the top. I have the left side modified so I can get at the series III master clutch cylinder.so it would not make a good step. The Camel Trophy 110s had the shovel on the left wing and the pick head on the right wing top. I decided to put the shovel on the left but keep the right wing top clear so I would not stumble over protrusions with my hands full. A bonnet mounting seems the logical alternative place. I've done this on Samson (D90) with a pretty >hefty pick head (not the wimpy style RN sells :) ). Even with a very large >pick head there's still room for the Mantec Snorkel. (Sides are reversed in >my case). Sampson has changed a lot since I lost saw him. I thought I was the only one in the state with a Mantec snorkle. Buy the way I got the shovel mounting fixings from Mantec. > I'm not sure of your options for the pick handle; I rigged tie >down brackets on the top of my "Bull/Roo/Rhino/Pedestrian/Tree" bar. I haven't decided yet. I was thinking of keeping it inside the car. > >BTW I'm not sure what type of shovel your using. I measured the wing and picked >up a very good appropriately sized one from OSH. Sat evening at Portland, John stoped by a circle of people I was part of with a correct ex-MOD shovel and offered to trade it to anyone who had some apple juice. I traded it for a full bottle of Martinellis sparkling cider. > >cheers, > >Jeremy > >P.S. The mountings I used were basically those used to mount tools on the >>Series tail gate. Thats what they used on the Camel Trophy 110s TeriAnn Wakeman "Large format photographers look Santa Cruz California at the world upside down and twakeman@scruznet.com backwards" ------------------------------------ From: "G. Mugele" Date: Sun, 23 Feb 97 14:55:34 -0800 Subject: GPS input please... Hi all, Now I know this like asking a Porsche/Ford/Harley/Jeep/etc. owner what the best hardware is but... I've been thinking about a Trimble xx GPS for several months now so I decided I'd stop by West Marine yesterday. Glad I did, the GPS guru was there and whlie he has a clear marine bias his input was most valuable and I learned a lot. The reason West Marine stopped carrying the Trimble line was that so many of their customers were complaining and having trouble with the user interface and the manual(s) were difficult to comprehend. etc. and "it's a shame because they have such nice hardware". I was thinking of looking at one of the new 12 parrallel jobbies. But then I saw the Garmin 120 and 130. These are fairly large units; nearly identical physically. The screen is about 3x4 inches and clear. Both units display the terrain (or bottom when on water) and have similar features otherwise. The 120 is on sale for $299 including a $130 antenna. The 130 is $599, ditto antenna. Why the difference? The 130 takes a cartridge (for an extra $250 per) that has all the charts for a locale that provides incredible detail...down to individual boat slips on the version I played with. For $250 the local marine cartridge that I saw includes all the charts from Pt. Arena down to Santa Cruz including the bay but not the delta. The cartridges for non-coastal areas are limited and usually are more concerned with inland river/lake navigation. Probably not the thing for roaming around the Mendo Nat'l Forest...well except for Jim "A River Runs Through It" Russell of course. In March Garmin and SeaNav are due to release new versions with multi-channel internals and it should be "near" the current sale price because of expected heavy competition from LowRance. Also the new stuff will not rely solely on satellites ...they will also use land based signals (LORAN?) and will therefore be more accurate said the guru. So is anyone familiar with these and/or otherwise burdened with an opinion they'd like to share? TIA Cheers, Gerry Mugele *** Schizophrenia beats the heck out of being alone. ------------------------------------ From: Jeremy John Bartlett Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 18:32:19 -0800 Subject: Removal of D90 Fan/Viscous Unit? Time once again to reveal my mechanical ignorance. How on earth does one remove the fan and viscous unit from a '94 D90? There's no info. in the shop manual or the owner's manual. The Haynes book on the RR describes a VERY similar unit, but not quite (no bolt at the end of the viscous unit on the D90) so its instructions are not useful. The parts manual is not much use. The only item I can see is a nut INSIDE the fan assembly which is very difficult/impossible to reach (yeah.. I know I'll bet that's it). All info. appreciated. cheers, Jeremy ------------------------------------ End of Digest