From: mendo_recce@off-road.com Subject: Digest for mendo_recce: 2/18/1997 Errors-To: owner-mendo_recce@off-road.com Reply-To: mendo_recce@off-road.com Precedence: bulk This is the digest for the mendo_recce mailling list ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------ From: Kevin Kelly Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 12:38:07 -0800 Subject: Getting Cash To Buy A Land Rover > >>Donald and I went to his local bank where I used the magic debit card to > >>transfer funds from my account to his (10 minutes and 2200 pounds > >>later..done deal.. dead easy!!) Probably the quickest, safest, way to > >>transfer funds.. > > >I'd like to hear more about how you were able to xfer more than the daily > >limit (~$300-$500) with your debit card! I had to wire $$ to buy the Rover > >in Canada and it was a pain. Is there an easier way ?? > > I don't know much about getting cash in other countries (I usually just take travelers checks) but I recently found out a way to get cash in the U.S. on weekends. When I bought my used mountain bike on a Sunday I needed a lot of cash. I used my ATM cards to get $300 out of my Wells Fargo account and $300 of my B of A account but I was still short. I did not want to pay fees and interest charges to get a cash advance on one of my credit cards at an ATM. I called Wells Fargo to try and have them do something so I could get more of my cash out of my checking account through the ATM. They told me to just go to one of the grocery store branches in a Safeway. The new Wells Fargo and B of A grocery store branches are open every Saturday and Sunday (at least in the bay area) and they will let you cash a check. > > Kevin Kelly > Who now knows where to get the cash after he sees a nice $1,000 SIIa for sale in the Sunday paper ------------------------------------ From: BwanaE@aol.com Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 11:10:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: Series rollbars Hi Steve, Now that my 88 is a full time soft-top, I'd like to install a rollbar / rollcage. Have you dealt with anybody who either stocks them, or has an 88 pattern/jig and can manufacture on demand? I reckon other folks will be interested in this, so could you copy your reply to the Mendo-list? Thanks, Eric. PS. Thanks for sending my last order so quickly ...I replaced the leaking transfer case output seal as well as the rear diff pinion seal in one day, and what a huge difference! As a point of interest, the removed seals were so old (original 1964?) that they were made of leather and steel ! ------------------------------------ From: James Howard Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:08:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Range Rover: Leaky fuel line On Mon, 17 Feb 1997, Walter C. Swain wrote: > BTW, you might want to try the 89 octane mid-grade stuff. I've had no > knocking problems. I've forgotten what year you have, so you may not have > a similar situation. > How can you tell when it is knocking? There is so much sound insulation that it is hard for me to tell. ------------------------------------ From: "G. Mugele" Date: Tue, 18 Feb 97 08:44:45 -0800 Subject: Re: March outing ?? BwanaE@aol.com wrote: > > I'm about to bid for my March flying schedule ... any not-a-rallys planned > Hate to waste this great spring weather. Hey Eric, what's this bidding stuff? I thought you were always flying reserve or relief? Did you get some seniority or something? Cheers, Gerry Mugele *** A fine is a tax for doing something wrong. A tax is a fine for doing something right. ------------------------------------ From: "G. Mugele" Date: Tue, 18 Feb 97 09:12:47 -0800 Subject: Re: Getting Cash To Buy A Land Rover Kevin said: >I called Wells Fargo to try and have them do something so I could get more >of my cash out of my checking account through the ATM. They told me to >just go to one of the grocery store branches in a Safeway. The new Wells >Fargo and B of A grocery store branches are open every Saturday and Sunday >(at least in the bay area) and they will let you cash a check. I've had some experience with that organization and it is their policy to have "in-store" branches (can be almost any of the major chains, not just Safeway, depends on where you are) open during "regular" store hours and on weekends. That means pretty much during the daylight, not at night, usually closed by 7PM local time. In some areas the local regulations require them to close at/on various times/days so your local MMV. At the local manager's discretion you *can* also cash other banks checks but it can be difficult and they'll charge you for the pleasure. At the amounts we're probably interested in, this is not likely however. Cheers, Gerry Mugele *** Talk is cheap because the supply exceeds demand. ------------------------------------ From: BRITPAC@aol.com Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 12:25:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: diffs and axles We can get other ratios but I'm not convinced it's the best choice. With overdrive fitted the lowest ratio makes best use of all the gears. At any rate, the ring & pinion use the same spider/side gears, so no problem should you choose to gear up. We only recommend the alternate ratios as a consideration for V8 models. Steve ------------------------------------ From: "Alan DuBoff" Date: Tue, 18 Feb 97 20:28:33 -0700 Subject: Re: Getting Cash To Buy A Land Rover On Mon, 17 Feb 1997 12:38:07 -0800, Kevin Kelly wrote: >I don't know much about getting cash in other countries (I usually just take >travelers checks) Some banks have international branches out of the U.S., for instance, most countries have a BofA. It is still kind of a hassle to get $$$s, and will sometimes take a day or two, but it is possible to do it. In my travels overseas BofA was one of the few that I saw throughout Asia. I know however they do have branches in the U.K as well as Germany, so it would be possible to get $$$s there. It should be really easy nowdays though, now with the Visa ATM cards, all you have to do is go into a bank overseas and get a cash advance on your Visa ATM, most any bank should be able to do that. In Nick's case, one would think they see him coming and realize he needs to have that new Dormie...but evidentally it doesn't work like that...;-) Alan DuBoff Software Orchestration, Inc. aland@ibm.net ------------------------------------ From: BRITPAC@aol.com Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 13:45:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Diesel Conversion A few additional tips: Make sure the engine comes complete. Injectors and pumps/distributors are very expensive and not readily available. In SoCal strict new diesel emission regulations are coming into effect, which would effectively ban the use of engines like 200Tdi. Don't scoff: 2 stroke engines built after 1996 are now banned, and that includes motorcycles. No more new Vespas! Truckers and railroads are experimenting with alternative fuels right now, preparing for the ban. This is also part of the reason diesel fuel costs more than gasoline (by a lot in LA). Not an issue for everyone, but considering the cost, it would be important if you lived here and were planning to use it in this area. Steve ------------------------------------ From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 10:37:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: March 22/23 recce I said: >> The 22nd/23rd for Mendo Recce V.5.01 sounds capital to me snip >> As to campground for the recce, my preference would be Bear Creek but don't >> know how difficult it'll be to get there, considering what the Rice Fork >> crossing ("a river runs through it") will be like. Mayhap I can do a >> campground recce the week before. Given dry weather for a week, getting as >> far as the crossing should be no problem. I'm very much hoping that the >> Fork Fire did not reach as far as the Bear Creek Camp. I rather suspect it >> did reach the Deer Valley Camp where we had our base for the Mendocino >> Forest notaRallye I. The most sage Jeremy advised: >I like the idea of Bear Creek ... but.. >I'd pass for 2 reasons > >1) as you mention access might be an issue >2) it's a long, dark drive considering many people will come in Fri. eve. > >Perhaps we should aim at Dear Creek for the Fri. eve. Sat. morning. then >pack camp and head for Bear Creek Sat. eve. (or where ever we end up). You are absolutely right about not trying to camp at Bear Creek on Friday night but I have my doubts about Deer Valley Camp because of the fire. We might have to settle for Middle Creek Camp for Friday night (and, hey, it's easy to find). In any case, I'll either try to pre-recce these possibilities or get a local (Aaron Wright or Bill McDow) LRO to have a look-see. Or ask the USFS folks. Looking forward to this, Granny ------------------------------------ From: BRITPAC@aol.com Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 13:50:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Series 24 Spline Axles Salisbury axle length differences: longer or shorter? I think both. One's too short, the other too long. The entire casing and carrier is different, but the hub end is the same. Steve ------------------------------------ From: BRITPAC@aol.com Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 14:33:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Series rollbars We choose not to sell roll over bars because of the liability issues. I recommend using a race car fabricator to custom design a good one. Steve ------------------------------------ From: Mike Cavender Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 12:03:39 -0800 Subject: Maggie & Mike in the UK ***************** > >>Donald and I went to his local bank where I used the magic debit card to > >>transfer funds from my account to his (10 minutes and 2200 pounds > >>later..done deal.. dead easy!!) Probably the quickest, safest, way to > >>transfer funds.. I honestly can't quite explain how it worked. I was told by my bank that making transfers of cash from one account to another was not limited to the normal $500. (It was definately limited at the day night tellers over there).. Basically Donald and I went into his bank... I presented my debit card to the teller.. explained what we wanted to do...He disappeared for about three minutes and came back.. done deal.. In some manner I believe he contacted my bank or at least confirmed my account balance was sufficient for the transaction.. and electronically completed the transaction.. The funds were not actually removed from my account until about 24 hours later.. but once the approval was given there was no way for me to stop or slow the financial transaction. I believe the funds were credit to his account immediately. The advantages.. 1. The most favorable exchange rate.. US vs UK.. 2. No waiting periods as when using bank drafts typically 3-4 days)... UK banks ( I was told ) are very jumpy about bank drafts as they've had problems with forgeries lately. 3. No charges for cashing the travellers checks.. which were sometimes up to 3%.. > 4. No need to carry so much cash.. Downside 1. Weekdays only.. 2. The fear of whether it was going to work or not.. I carried enough travellers checks just in case.. Just as another note.. I/we got around the Insurance problem by post dating the transfer of title and registration papers to the day I shipped the vehicle. They added me to their Insurance policy.. (I gave them and extra $50.00) Worked slick and was legal... although it would probably have been better to have an international drivers license.. Basically we concluded the sale as we would have for an in country sale. The day I dropped the rover on the docks I went to the motor vehicle department for the export document (required before shipping any vehicle).. basically they took the equivilant of our registration and title papers and gave me a document with all the pertinent information.. I maintained photocopies of the original documents for back up.. So far so good.. Oregon DMV accepted the documents with no problem.. although they are following up with the UK.. before they Issue title. I'll let you know how it goes.. Shouldn't be a problem though.. 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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 97 12:10:00 PST Subject: re Cost(was Rob's Tranny) ------------------------------------ From: "Tom Walsh" Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 14:48:07 +0000 Subject: (Fwd) does hell exist? Subject: Take home physics exam Allegedly a true story. A thermodynamics professor had written a take home exam for his graduate students. It had one question: Is hell exothermic or endothermic? Support your answer with a proof. Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law or some variant. One student, however wrote the following: First, we postulate that if souls exist, then they must have some mass. If they do, then a mole of souls can also have a mass. So, at what rate are souls moving into hell and at what rate are souls leaving? I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving. As for souls entering hell, lets look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Some of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to hell. Since there are more than one of these religions and people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all people and all souls go to hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change in volume in hell. Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in hell to stay the same, the ratio of the mass of souls and volume needs to stay constant. So, if hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter hell, then the temperature and pressure in hell will increase until all hell breaks loose. Of course, if hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in hell, than the temperature and pressure will drop until hell freezes over. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ It was not revealed what grade the student got. ---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------* Fluent Networks "Intelligent Networking Solutions" tomw@best.com 95 LR Disco "The Light Brigade" http://www.fluentnet.com *---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------* ------------------------------------ From: Mike Cavender Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 14:50:21 -0800 Subject: Jimi Patel Thanks for the phone call.. can you send me your email address again?.. the one I wrote down doesn't work... Good talking with you.. Mike Cavender ------------------------------------ From: growl@hsmpk14a-101.Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 15:35:07 -0800 Subject: Re: (Fwd) does hell exist? The temperature of Heaven can be rather accurately computed. Our authority is Isaiah 30:26, "Moreover, the light of the Moon shall be as the light of the Sun and the light of the Sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days." Thus Heaven receives from the Moon as much radiation as we do from the Sun, and in addition 7*7 (49) times as much as the Earth does from the Sun, or 50 times in all. The light we receive from the Moon is one 1/10,000 of the light we receive from the Sun, so we can ignore that ... The radiation falling on Heaven will heat it to the point where the heat lost by radiation is just equal to the heat received by radiation, i.e., Heaven loses 50 times as much heat as the Earth by radiation. Using the Stefan-Boltzmann law for radiation, (H/E)^4 = 50, where E is the absolute temperature of the earth (-300K), gives H as 798K (525C). The exact temperature of Hell cannot be computed ... [However] Revelations 21:8 says "But the fearful, and unbelieving ... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." A lake of molten brimstone means that its temperature must be at or below the boiling point, 444.6C. We have, then, that Heaven, at 525C is hotter than Hell at 445C. -- From "Applied Optics" vol. 11, A14, 1972 ~bg =========================================================================== 4th law of thermodynamics: You can't get more work out of your kids than it takes to make them do it =========================================================================== ------------------------------------ From: "G. Mugele" Date: Tue, 18 Feb 97 15:37:26 -0800 Subject: Jeepers, Explorer Discovery of Gooey Kermit Daniel Oppenheim tried to lure some Lazy Buggers to Hollister for an = outing this last weekend but gave up and opted instead for a run to = Cow Mountain OHV park east of Ukiah. I had some free time and Lilly = had been complaining about how difficult it is to get stuff done with = me around the house all the time :-) so I took Gooey and the Weasel = up to Santa Rosa and lurked near an on ramp to 101 at the appropriate = time. After a half an hour or so I was answering the questions from = one of Gooey=B9s admirers. It was then that I spotted a dark green = Disco (with a roof rack festooned with Hellas) zoom by followed = closely by an immaculate Series IIa. That had to be Daniel=B9s = Kermit. To the bewilderment of Gooey=B9s new friend, I announced I had to go = and raced for the on ramp. As I reached the top of the on ramp they = were already past the next overpass. I had stupidly assumed that the = cruising speed would be 60 MPH or less. But at 60 I was losing = ground so I took Gooey up to 65. At 65 I was not gaining on them as = they passed typical Sunday morning freeway traffic. So I decided I = was going into Hippo=B9s rarefied territory and ran it up to 70. = Really! In a Series III. At one point the speedo indicated 75. And = still it took me about 10 minutes to catch up. After I was spotted by John White in his Disco we all pulled off to = the shoulder, where a trailing Explorer and J**p Wrangler also = stopped. This was the entire entourage. Peter in the Ford and = Dwight in the J**p are a couple of Daniel=B9s friends and nice guys = regardless of their hardware. Kermit=B9s O/D allowed him to cruise much faster than Gooey and we = had to work at it to stay with this group on 101 up to the Talmadge = Exit a bit south east of Ukiah. We reassembled at the entrance to = the SomethingorOther Buddhist retreat in downtown Talmadge. There we = topped up and drained bladders prior to heading up Mill Creek canyon = to the Cow Mtn staging area. The staging area was crowded with dirt bikers and their support = vehicles but we managed to squeeze in to review the map. We opted = for the South area and continued on to Red Mountain Campground. From = there it was out to a fairly interesting but rather tame (by Lazy = Bugger standards) trail along a ridge top. The trail headed = generally south west and ended in a nice spot with a spectacular view = of the valley=B9s just north of Hopland. This was a dead-end trail = and we had to return via the same route. Going back was a bit more difficult. One ~50 yard section was fairly = steep with a single ~18 inch stair step at the top and a hole in = front of the rise filled with very loose material. John=B9s Disco = went up easily. Let me add here; TeriAnn, to John=B9s credit he did = not even cringe when the dust began to accumulate on his beautiful = plushmobile nor even when the buck brush and manzanita scraped it off. Daniel, a relative newby, had a bit of trouble when Kermit complained = at the stair step. He then had the thrilling pleasure of getting to = back down the slope. It seemed like a good time to air down so = Daniel, Dwight and I made our tires a bit softer. Kermit=B9s next attempt showed that he appreciated the added = traction. Gooey went right up to the stair step and spun tires = briefly as he got cross-axled and then went over the top. Dwight had = a bit more trouble than that and we had to work at getting the = Wrangler beyond the step. The J**p=B9s stock tires are not very = aggressive and just dug into the loose stuff as it got cross-axled. = We tried pretty much all the routes up but it was soon clear that = finesse just wasn=B9t going to do it. Getting the left side up on a = shoulder and using all the power (it has the four banger) available = just made it up. The front end got air a few times and Dwight was a = bit worse for the wear afterward but we succeeded. Peter=B9s stock Explorer (with lot=B9s of low hanging plastic), had = the longest wheelbase of the group and seemed like it would be more = problematic. It also wears stock non-aggressive tires. It appeared = that it was also going to dig into the loose stuff. But Peter=B9s = 4th attempt was good as he too used the available power and bounced = the front axle up the step. At this point we were ready for a break and retreated to the = Campground. The chuck wagon (AKA Kermit) provided an impressive = array of yummy comestibles and I mooched some. Thanks very much. Back to the trails, Daniel picked a rather muddy run for our next = adventure. But on the way to it, a certain IIa, a Disco and a Ford = all managed to get really messy in a puddle along the main road. = Intentionally. Peter=B9s Explorer looked especially disgusting with = a generous smear of diaper-brown mud across the front. And from the = way the mud beaded up on Kermit=B9s bonnet and wings it was clear = that he had been, booo hissss, waxed. But I =8Cspose we should = forgive Daniel; he=B9s a city kid ....from Golden, Colorado. = Sheeshh. The next trail was rather interesting, starting with a fairly steep = narrow uphill with a bunch of those berms intended to route the = runoff to the side of the trail. But these berms were a bit bigger = than necessary. The rise was at least a couple feet on the smallest = one. We later learned that the dirt bikers like to use these for = jumps. Kermit went first followed by John=B9s Disco and Gooey. At = the top we waited a while but no one was coming. Then we heard that = Peter was high-centered on the second berm. This one was in a left = hand turn and he had gone a bit wide. Gooey transported the = High-lift and a shovel down to the scene. The Explorer was sitting, almost teetering, on it=B9s lateral air = dams under the sills. Both axles were grabbing at air. Much digging = revealed just how wedged it was. The shackles for the rear leaf = springs were buried. With four of us loaded above or behind the rear = wheels and bouncing we still couldn=B9t get the needed traction. We = then moved Gooey into position and gave a little tug. Peter = exercised more care from that point and proceeded to the top. = Dwight, for reasons I didn=B9t hear, opted for to ride shotgun for = the remainder trail and abandoned the Wrangler by the main road. After that the trail got really interesting. A couple downhill = sections were exciting. And then there was the great waterfall = crossing. Daniel is a lot more clever than I had suspected. He = turned over the tough driving to Julia. And she did a masterful job = of taking Kermit through the worst of the trail while Daniel relaxed. = So at the waterfall when the road narrowed to about the width of a = series LR it was a little unnerving for Julia. There was a small = tree on the left limiting how close to the bank we could get and the = stream had eaten out a fair chunk of roadway on the downhill side to = the right. It looked as though a wheel in the hole there could put a = Land Rover at the bottom of the arroyo. Julia went through without a = misstep. Ditto Gooey. The Explorer and Discovery both had to drag = their asses a bit to get across but no damage was incurred. Kudos to = Daniel for his skills as an arborist as he deftly jumped up to a = fairly large oak branch and gently but firmly ripped it off the tree. = This was done to spare John=B9s rack and Hellas. On the other side of the stream was another piece of challenging = uphill with one nasty spot. We scouted it thoroughly and decided it = was not going to be a problem. Julia went first and got into a bit = of trouble. Kermit had gotten a little too far to the right (near = the edge) and had his left wheels in a rut. Backing down seemed the = only move even though some chaparral oak was in the way. Julia=B9s = third attempt, with a scent of burning clutch, was a success. = However Kermit sacrificed his right mud flap to the gods in charge of = backing into bushes. By then, the troops were feeling confident in their abilities and = ready for more but the light was beginning to retreat to the west so = we headed back to find that J**p. It was great fun and I think = everybody had a good time. On the way back to Talmadge there was = another bout of splashing in the puddles and Peter managed to annoy = the electrical stuff under his hood. The system was not charging and = we were concerned that his drive to Silicon Gulch with the headlights was doomed. He = departed quickly to take advantage of the remaining light. The rest = of us headed to Hopland for dinner and a pint. Just down the road from Talmadge, parked under a large Valley Oak at = an intersection I spied a blue Series IIa with Mercedes Club of = America sticker and a Ham operator license plate number. Looks to be = in good shape. Do we know who this is Granny? I=B9ve never seen = this one before. Just outside Hopland Peter was waiting to tell us that the Ford = version of the Lucas demons had departed and the Explorer was now = okay, so he joined us for a very pleasant time at the Mendocino Brew = Pub. The Weasel and I had fun and got to know some nice people. I think = it=B9s about time the Land Rover crowd invaded red-neck turf and took = part in some more outings to Cow Mtn. (BTW we never did see the = cow). I agree that March 29th is good for our next adventure. Now = if we can get Peter and Dwight into some real hardware... Cheers, Gerry Mugele *** Talk is cheap because the supply exceeds demand. ------------------------------------ From: Daniel Oppenheim Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 17:43:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Jeepers, Explorer Discovery of Gooey Kermit Bravo, a mighty good recall mate! Daniel J. Oppenheim Oppenheim Associates - A Management Consulting Firm based in San Fransisco daniel@mgmtconsult.com phone: (415) 282-5500 fax: (415) 282-5005 1965 Ser IIA 88", "Kermit" ------------------------------------ From: Clayton Kirkwood Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 17:43:20 -0800 Subject: Re: Series rollbars I am definitely interested in a full rollbar/cage for our 59 88. At 11:10 AM 2/18/97 -0500, BwanaE@aol.com wrote: >Hi Steve, > >Now that my 88 is a full time soft-top, I'd like to install a rollbar / >rollcage. Have you dealt with anybody who either stocks them, or has an 88 >pattern/jig and can manufacture on demand? > >I reckon other folks will be interested in this, so could you copy your reply >to the Mendo-list? > >Thanks, Eric. > >PS. Thanks for sending my last order so quickly ...I replaced the leaking >transfer case output seal as well as the rear diff pinion seal in one day, >and what a huge difference! >As a point of interest, the removed seals were so old (original 1964?) that >they were made of leather and steel ! > ------------------------------------ From: Uncle Roger Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 17:59:00 -0800 Subject: Re: Subscribe digest. At 10:00 PM 2/17/97 -1000, you wrote: >Ben, please add me to the mendo Land Rover list. I'm the proud owner of >1966 Series IIA 109 Dormobile , the one that looked like crap at last years Never seen a LR that looked like crap... They're all beautiful, no matter what the condition! 8^) I'm sure you've talked to John Hess about the Dormo club? Anyway, welcome! >-Eric Mscichowski I'll bet your name gets misspelled and mispronounced even more than mine! 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/ ------------------------------------ From: Uncle Roger Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 17:59:07 -0800 Subject: Re: disneyLRand? (was: March outing cont'd) At 10:01 PM 2/17/97 -1000, you wrote: >I'd love to be able to do both of these but need to point out that 30th >March is Easter and I'm afraid we'll be gone off to my sister's ranch in >Humboldt County that weekend. Me too, but that is the week I'm headed to Disneyland. We finally got the dates semi-finalized. We'll be there definitely 3/24-29, and possibly 3/22-23. So, if there are folks in the southland who want to get together, perhaps at BP, lemme know! I don't know if we'll be in the 109"; I kinda think it won't be finished by then, but still... Rachel's gonna get together with some of her kinfolk there; I'm hoping to use that time to visit with some of my LR family. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/ ------------------------------------ From: davery@on-ramp.ior.com (Dale W. Avery) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 97 20:09:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Series rollbars >As a point of interest, the removed seals were so old (original 1964?) that >they were made of leather and steel ! > My front diff pinion seal was the same. And Steve's replacement stopped the leak for me too. ----- Dale W. Avery KC7MM & Ms Daisy '73-SIII-88" "No matter where you go, there you are." ------------------------------------ From: "John C. White, III" Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 20:17:31 -0800 Subject: Re: Jeepers, Explorer Discovery of Gooey Kermit Good write-up, Gerry. It was a good time, and I love the way my -- ahem -- plushmobile looks caked in mud. I'd like to add my thanks to Daniel for setting this outing up, and getting me away from my workaday world. I'd almost forgotten how much more fun Land Rovers are off road than they are in bumper-to-bumper rush-hour traffic. Cheers! John At 15:37 18.02.97 -0800, G. Mugele wrote: >Daniel Oppenheim tried to lure some Lazy Buggers to Hollister for an = >outing this last weekend but gave up and opted instead for a run to = >Cow Mountain OHV park east of Ukiah. I had some free time and Lilly = >had been complaining about how difficult it is to get stuff done with = >me around the house all the time :-) so I took Gooey and the Weasel = >up to Santa Rosa and lurked near an on ramp to 101 at the appropriate = >time. After a half an hour or so I was answering the questions from = >one of Gooey=B9s admirers. It was then that I spotted a dark green = >Disco (with a roof rack festooned with Hellas) zoom by followed = >closely by an immaculate Series IIa. That had to be Daniel=B9s = >Kermit. > >To the bewilderment of Gooey=B9s new friend, I announced I had to go = >and raced for the on ramp. As I reached the top of the on ramp they = >were already past the next overpass. I had stupidly assumed that the = >cruising speed would be 60 MPH or less. But at 60 I was losing = >ground so I took Gooey up to 65. At 65 I was not gaining on them as = >they passed typical Sunday morning freeway traffic. So I decided I = >was going into Hippo=B9s rarefied territory and ran it up to 70. = >Really! In a Series III. At one point the speedo indicated 75. And = >still it took me about 10 minutes to catch up. > >After I was spotted by John White in his Disco we all pulled off to = >the shoulder, where a trailing Explorer and J**p Wrangler also = >stopped. This was the entire entourage. Peter in the Ford and = >Dwight in the J**p are a couple of Daniel=B9s friends and nice guys = >regardless of their hardware. > >Kermit=B9s O/D allowed him to cruise much faster than Gooey and we = >had to work at it to stay with this group on 101 up to the Talmadge = >Exit a bit south east of Ukiah. We reassembled at the entrance to = >the SomethingorOther Buddhist retreat in downtown Talmadge. There we = >topped up and drained bladders prior to heading up Mill Creek canyon = >to the Cow Mtn staging area. > >The staging area was crowded with dirt bikers and their support = >vehicles but we managed to squeeze in to review the map. We opted = >for the South area and continued on to Red Mountain Campground. From = >there it was out to a fairly interesting but rather tame (by Lazy = >Bugger standards) trail along a ridge top. The trail headed = >generally south west and ended in a nice spot with a spectacular view = >of the valley=B9s just north of Hopland. This was a dead-end trail = >and we had to return via the same route. > >Going back was a bit more difficult. One ~50 yard section was fairly = >steep with a single ~18 inch stair step at the top and a hole in = >front of the rise filled with very loose material. John=B9s Disco = >went up easily. Let me add here; TeriAnn, to John=B9s credit he did = >not even cringe when the dust began to accumulate on his beautiful = >plushmobile nor even when the buck brush and manzanita scraped it off. > >Daniel, a relative newby, had a bit of trouble when Kermit complained = >at the stair step. He then had the thrilling pleasure of getting to = >back down the slope. It seemed like a good time to air down so = >Daniel, Dwight and I made our tires a bit softer. >Kermit=B9s next attempt showed that he appreciated the added = >traction. Gooey went right up to the stair step and spun tires = >briefly as he got cross-axled and then went over the top. Dwight had = >a bit more trouble than that and we had to work at getting the = >Wrangler beyond the step. The J**p=B9s stock tires are not very = >aggressive and just dug into the loose stuff as it got cross-axled. = >We tried pretty much all the routes up but it was soon clear that = >finesse just wasn=B9t going to do it. Getting the left side up on a = >shoulder and using all the power (it has the four banger) available = >just made it up. The front end got air a few times and Dwight was a = >bit worse for the wear afterward but we succeeded. > >Peter=B9s stock Explorer (with lot=B9s of low hanging plastic), had = >the longest wheelbase of the group and seemed like it would be more = >problematic. It also wears stock non-aggressive tires. It appeared = >that it was also going to dig into the loose stuff. But Peter=B9s = >4th attempt was good as he too used the available power and bounced = >the front axle up the step. > >At this point we were ready for a break and retreated to the = >Campground. The chuck wagon (AKA Kermit) provided an impressive = >array of yummy comestibles and I mooched some. Thanks very much. > >Back to the trails, Daniel picked a rather muddy run for our next = >adventure. But on the way to it, a certain IIa, a Disco and a Ford = >all managed to get really messy in a puddle along the main road. = >Intentionally. Peter=B9s Explorer looked especially disgusting with = >a generous smear of diaper-brown mud across the front. And from the = >way the mud beaded up on Kermit=B9s bonnet and wings it was clear = >that he had been, booo hissss, waxed. But I =8Cspose we should = >forgive Daniel; he=B9s a city kid ....from Golden, Colorado. = >Sheeshh. > >The next trail was rather interesting, starting with a fairly steep = >narrow uphill with a bunch of those berms intended to route the = >runoff to the side of the trail. But these berms were a bit bigger = >than necessary. The rise was at least a couple feet on the smallest = >one. We later learned that the dirt bikers like to use these for = >jumps. Kermit went first followed by John=B9s Disco and Gooey. At = >the top we waited a while but no one was coming. Then we heard that = >Peter was high-centered on the second berm. This one was in a left = >hand turn and he had gone a bit wide. Gooey transported the = >High-lift and a shovel down to the scene. > >The Explorer was sitting, almost teetering, on it=B9s lateral air = >dams under the sills. Both axles were grabbing at air. Much digging = >revealed just how wedged it was. The shackles for the rear leaf = >springs were buried. With four of us loaded above or behind the rear = >wheels and bouncing we still couldn=B9t get the needed traction. We = >then moved Gooey into position and gave a little tug. Peter = >exercised more care from that point and proceeded to the top. = >Dwight, for reasons I didn=B9t hear, opted for to ride shotgun for = >the remainder trail and abandoned the Wrangler by the main road. > >After that the trail got really interesting. A couple downhill = >sections were exciting. And then there was the great waterfall = >crossing. Daniel is a lot more clever than I had suspected. He = >turned over the tough driving to Julia. And she did a masterful job = >of taking Kermit through the worst of the trail while Daniel relaxed. = > So at the waterfall when the road narrowed to about the width of a = >series LR it was a little unnerving for Julia. There was a small = >tree on the left limiting how close to the bank we could get and the = >stream had eaten out a fair chunk of roadway on the downhill side to = >the right. It looked as though a wheel in the hole there could put a = >Land Rover at the bottom of the arroyo. Julia went through without a = >misstep. Ditto Gooey. The Explorer and Discovery both had to drag = >their asses a bit to get across but no damage was incurred. Kudos to = >Daniel for his skills as an arborist as he deftly jumped up to a = >fairly large oak branch and gently but firmly ripped it off the tree. = > This was done to spare John=B9s rack and Hellas. > >On the other side of the stream was another piece of challenging = >uphill with one nasty spot. We scouted it thoroughly and decided it = >was not going to be a problem. Julia went first and got into a bit = >of trouble. Kermit had gotten a little too far to the right (near = >the edge) and had his left wheels in a rut. Backing down seemed the = >only move even though some chaparral oak was in the way. Julia=B9s = >third attempt, with a scent of burning clutch, was a success. = >However Kermit sacrificed his right mud flap to the gods in charge of = >backing into bushes. > >By then, the troops were feeling confident in their abilities and = >ready for more but the light was beginning to retreat to the west so = >we headed back to find that J**p. It was great fun and I think = >everybody had a good time. On the way back to Talmadge there was = >another bout of splashing in the puddles and Peter managed to annoy = >the electrical stuff under his hood. The system was not charging and = >we were concerned >that his drive to Silicon Gulch with the headlights was doomed. He = >departed quickly to take advantage of the remaining light. The rest = >of us headed to Hopland for dinner and a pint. > >Just down the road from Talmadge, parked under a large Valley Oak at = >an intersection I spied a blue Series IIa with Mercedes Club of = >America sticker and a Ham operator license plate number. Looks to be = >in good shape. Do we know who this is Granny? I=B9ve never seen = >this one before. > >Just outside Hopland Peter was waiting to tell us that the Ford = >version of the Lucas demons had departed and the Explorer was now = >okay, so he joined us for a very pleasant time at the Mendocino Brew = >Pub. > >The Weasel and I had fun and got to know some nice people. I think = >it=B9s about time the Land Rover crowd invaded red-neck turf and took = >part in some more outings to Cow Mtn. (BTW we never did see the = >cow). I agree that March 29th is good for our next adventure. Now = >if we can get Peter and Dwight into some real hardware... > >Cheers, >Gerry Mugele >*** Talk is cheap because the supply exceeds demand. > > > ------------------------------------ From: "Walter C. Swain" Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 20:35:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: If it smells like gas... On Tue, 18 Feb 1997, S. F. Yee wrote: > Thanks for the suggestion, Walt...mine is a 1990 County, and yes, I've > been waiting for an excuse to take it in for its new fuel tank via recall. > This afternoon the interior smelled of gasoline, as did the whole open > air driveway. So I reckon the time is now. > > As for 89 octane stuff, I may try it and see what happens--thanks for the > idea. > > SF > off to British Motors in SF tomorrow British Motors, eh? I'm sure we'd all appreciate hearing how it goes, given Gerry's recent experiences and other rumored mis-adventures. Maybe they have a better attitude about Range Rovers, despite your's "advancing" age. Re: 89 octane. James raises the interesting question about "knowing" that it isn't knocking. Perhaps my older 1988 version isn't as well insulated as his 1989. I've had it in a few awkward situations where the engine is working pretty hard and the windows are rolled down, and I didn't notice any knocking. I don't know what I did with Kevin's RR FAQ (is it online yet?) and I don't remember if there is a compression difference between the 3.5 and 3.9 litre versions. Another factor may be the miles. I have about 135K and am confident that there's been some wear. I do recall, however, that several people have mentioned that they've successfully tried the 89 octgane approach. Saves a few bucks for other expenses like all those rotors and pads. Rgds, Walt * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Walter C. Swain | wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us * * Davis Community Network | 1969 LR Dormobile- "Bertha" * * Davis, California | 1988 Range Rover- "Lady Jane" * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------------ From: davery@on-ramp.ior.com (Dale W. Avery) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 97 20:58:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Jeepers, Explorer Discovery of Gooey Kermit >A fun story, and a fun time! Congrats guys. ----- Dale W. Avery KC7MM & Ms Daisy '73-SIII-88" "No matter where you go, there you are." ------------------------------------ From: davery@on-ramp.ior.com (Dale W. Avery) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 97 21:00:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Series rollbars >I am definitely interested in a full rollbar/cage for our 59 88. > >At 11:10 AM 2/18/97 -0500, BwanaE@aol.com wrote: >>Hi Steve, >> >>Now that my 88 is a full time soft-top, I'd like to install a rollbar / >>rollcage. Have you dealt with anybody who either stocks them, or has an 88 >>pattern/jig and can manufacture on demand? >> Yes, keep us all informed, especially if you find a national dealer. Ms Daisy is waiting to hear if her soft top will be coming soon also. ----- Dale W. Avery KC7MM & Ms Daisy '73-SIII-88" "No matter where you go, there you are." ------------------------------------ From: davery@on-ramp.ior.com (Dale W. Avery) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 97 21:21:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: Good news! What a great day! Got the parts from RN today. Installed the vacuum relay and elbow and fired ole Ms Daisy up. She started with the first turn of the key. Getting the Weber carb tuned took a bit more time than I thought it would. Adjusting the throttle stop screw is a snap. But getting the idle mixture screw set properly takes a while. The instructions that came with the Weber don't quite get you where you need to go. I ended up setting the throttle stop, fiddling with the idle mixture, driving Daisy around the neighborhood, pulling back in the garage, setting the throttle, fiddling with the idle, etc. I'm still not 100% happy with the final results. There is still just a bit of surging on accelleration, not bad but noticeable. Anyone else have similar experiences? At any rate Daisy is back on the road and running well. The new engine doesn't appear all that much stronger until I start up a long hill. I'm finding I can keep the speed up longer, shift fewer times, and generally have the sense that the speed is greater at the top! I'll probably leave Daisy in the garage until I get the speedometer back from BritPac. Once that's installed, I can get a better sense of how things are doing. I think the old gal is running faster than I originally imagined. BTW, anyone have a quick equation i can use to determine actual speed compared to that showing on the Speedo? Daisy originally had 15" tires, but is now running 235/85R16's. The new tach is working well, and I'm glad I finally put one in. My old dwell/tach finally broke. So I went with a tach instead. Setting the idle is fun. First adjust the idle by how the engine sounds, then stick head in driver's window and look at tach, then back under hood to make another adjustment. We're having fun now! Think I'll try to find an old dwell/tach at a garage sale. My Springer Spaniel likes to sit in the passenger seat and watch me, umm, better than night-time t.v. The snow is going fast up here with the rain. So Daisy should be getting a new coat of mud soon. ----- Dale W. Avery KC7MM & Ms Daisy '73-SIII-88" "No matter where you go, there you are." ------------------------------------ From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 22:26:27 -0800 Subject: Nick Baggarly please contact me Nick, It looks like three of us in the general vacinity will soon be receiving heavy shippments. Lets work together to get them shipped & maybe help each other with the instillations. Please call 974-2344 work 688-8169 home TeriAnn Wakeman "Large format photographers look Santa Cruz California at the world upside down and twakeman@scruznet.com backwards" ------------------------------------ From: "Tom Walsh" Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 08:09:10 +0000 Subject: Redwood Forrest Outing Thanks to Don's exploring skills, Nick B.( Series IIA ), Don M.( Series IIA ) and Myself ( Disco ) were treated to a Monday afternoon adventure cruising the Redwoods in the shadows of Mt. Loma Prieta. We started out Monday afternoon from Los Gatos and headed up Rt 17 to Summit Rd. After a missed exit we headed south on Summit Rd until we reached the top. The paved road gave way to dirt ( should I say whats left of the pavement after the rain washed parts of it away ). We stopped to lock hubs, engaged center diffs ect... We proceeded on summit rd ( listening to come on cat calls on the CB from a woman looking for her "lawnmower man"!!?? ). Somewhere along the way the road turned into Loma Prieta way. We then turned down a barely marked road ( the Delorme's map calls Summit Rd again, USGS marks it at BM 2860 ( altitude ) ).. There is a no tresspassing sign.... BUT IT IS A LEGALLY PASSABLE COUNTY ROAD! Some yahoo put the sign up to keep you out! We turned right on the road and proceeded our journey towards the sea. We proceeded about two miles down an infrequently graded slope, passing a few isolated houses on the way. We eventually crossed Eureka Canyon Rd onto Buzzard Lagoon Rd. We left civilization behind. Parts of the road were a litle muddy due to recent rains. We finally lost the "Lawnmower Thing" we actually changed channels on her! We started entering a thicker forrest leaving the higher chaperal behind us. After several miles we took a right up Rider road and started heading back uphill again... Somewhere along the line we entered the Forest of the Nisene State Park. We finally reached a gate after a mile or two. The other other side of the gate is a trail I have ridden my Mt bike on from Aptos.. and the Pacific Ocean, pretty cool!about 2000-2500 ft A great place to picnic etc.. We all got out to Admire Don's new BFG Mud Terrains and new Leaf Srings, my new Michelen XCL's and Wonder how to better place Nicks CB antenea for optimum performance. We headed back down the trail continued down Buzzard Lagoon Road. We started geeting deep into a Redwood Forrest ( I mean take off your sunglasses, its dark in here kinda forrest! ). The road was starting to get steep and a little muddy at times, nothing to serious, but enough to keep you paying attention to road ( rather than gawking at the Redwoods ). Somewhere along the line we teed into Eureka Canyon Road. We entered an area where "little road off-shoots" spawned around a few trees into gaping muddy pits and then joined back to the main trail.. In defference to errosion control and treading lightly we avoided thrashing more deep grooves into the forrest ( Boy I wanted to try them XCL's out in some deeper stuff ). We entered an area where a small amount of selective Redwood logging was occuring, there was also poles cemented around some parts of the trail to keep yahoos from darwinisiaming themselves in the forest slopes in monster trucks or stealing redwoods?... We proceeded down more muddy slopes and rutted hills after several miles we encounterd the most challenging part of the trail....... A white chevy astro AWD van parked accross the road near a house and a driveway. We cautiously got out to survey the scene ( one never knows what others are up to in the middle of this damp, well fertilized "growing" region! ). We heard a large dog barking at the house, don't want to bother it! No one is around, the vehicle is locked and parked. We discussed the merits of moving the vehicle... winching.., putting it in neutral... pushing it over the 30-40 foot dropoff on one side of the road. Entering the vehicle was definately out of the question, winching looked good. We finally decided we might... maybe..... just fit between the vehicle and the formentioned drop-off. Don was 1st in line.... We lined him up... You had to avoid a tree, a car and a cliff. after two or so approaches Don finally cleared the cliff and vehicle by about 3/4 of an inch on the car side and less on the cliff side. Next up was Nick, a couple of manuevers and he squeeked by... Next the Light Brigades Front Bumper and longer wheelbase made us wonder... a couple of trys later and the mighty Disco squeeked by.... We left a nice note on the morons windsheild ( we figure he was making a statement to the loggers or us? ) But it is a legal County maintained right of way thank you! ( We Don't pay them taxes for nothing ya know! ). Eventually the road turned back to pavement and lead us to a beautiful hidden valley and finally the small town of Corralitos, then through about no less than 10 turns of small back country roads and on to rt 1 and Santa Cruz. Fortunately I stored the route using my GPS mapping setup for future use! We had a blast! Next in a few days ( I'm kinda busy till Thursday ) Status report of a Not-a-coast Post Fire Mini Recce trip this weekend. Tomw ---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------* Fluent Networks "Intelligent Networking Solutions" tomw@best.com 95 LR Disco "The Light Brigade" http://www.fluentnet.com *---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------* ------------------------------------ End of Digest