From: mendo_recce@off-road.com Subject: Digest for mendo_recce: 2/15/1997 Errors-To: owner-mendo_recce@off-road.com Reply-To: mendo_recce@off-road.com Precedence: bulk This is the digest for the mendo_recce mailling list ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------ From: john hess Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 10:38:18 -0700 Subject: lawyer wanted (for a couple hours only) Hi guys, I know we have a lawyer or two on this list; I am looking for someone to write up 2 or 3 forms for LROA. We will pay. Would you email me privately so I can let you know what we are thinking about. If you are not interested but have other contacts, that would be fine also. Thanks, John F Hess 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us 1984 Mazda GLC "Mazda box" dormobile homepage: 1960 swb pu "Stubby" (actually Katherine's) http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html ------------------------------------ From: UncleBrad@aol.com Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 13:53:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: 24 splines In a message dated 2/14/97 3:39:14 PM, James Howard wrote: >So, the solution to this problem is to somehow install 24 spline shafts >in your vehicle. Sounds expensive, but I am curious as to what is >involved. I've been thinking about this too. Seems like there are a couple of ways to convert to 24 splines. One, of course, is to get a Salisbury rear end. The cost to purchase one will probably be $800 to $1,000 depending upon whether you buy used or new. And you might add the cost of installation if you don't want to tackle it yourself. Although very strong, the Salibury doesn't appeal to me. You have to replace the whole rear beam. And have you seen the size of the darn things? Also, setting up and installing the diff should be done by a pro because there is a 'preload' requirement that I wouldn't want to chance myself. I know the whole idea behind replacing the diff is that I won't have to work on it in the field, but still... I like the idea that I could replace my own diff, if ever necessary. Another way to go is to purchase a strengthened diff carrier which simply replaces the one that is in your Rover now. It comes with Salisbury shafts and new 24 spline hubs or even larger diameter shafts with 30 splines. That ought to do the trick! You install the diff the same way as you always have. No muss- no fuss. You do have to install your present ring & pinion gears into the new carrier, so I guess there could be an additional expense if you had it done by a pro. Cost of purchase is about $800 to $1,000 new. Companies like McNamara, KAM, & maybe ARB make these units. If you go with one of these later solutions, you will also have the option of adding a diff locking mechanism for an additional cost. They come in a simple, manually-operated-from-the-hub type, cable operated, and pneumatic. The cost increases by about $300 for the first type and goes up for the others. Great Basin Rovers in Salt Lake City, UT specializes in that stuff and they carry all the brands. I imagine that you can get something from Rovers North, DAP, Britpac or ABP too. Just in case you don't get the Aluminum Workhorse, Great Basin's number is 801-486-5049. Brad Blevins ------------------------------------ From: davery@on-ramp.ior.com (Dale W. Avery) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 97 11:18:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: AW comment (Was Splines) Just in case you don't get the Aluminum Workhorse, >Great Basin's number is 801-486-5049. > >Brad Blevins > Hello Brad, Haven't seen your name up here in a long time. The last AW was "most Excellent!" as Bill and Ted would say. Hope you keep up the good work. When is the next issue coming out? How can we help you fatten this puppy up? I'm not planning any major trips until this fall, but then will send you a couple of articles. Do you like photos, slides, color/B&W or *.tif/gif formatted digitized pics? Word 6.0, or WP 6.1 for MS O.K.? In fact, maybe you could put together a little memo to the Mendo Recce folks and let us know how best to make this easy for you and LROA... This reminds me, just found my renewal application stuck in the AW! Oops, better get that in also. Thanks again for the great issue. I don't want to miss any upcoming ones. Dale ----- Dale W. Avery KC7MM & Ms Daisy '73-SIII-88" "No matter where you go, there you are." ------------------------------------ From: Mike Cavender Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 14:33:08 -0800 Subject: Landrover from UK Thought a few of you might be interested in my experience picking up and Landrover in the UK.. I'll try to keep it short. All in all it was great fun with a worrisome moment or two thrown in for interest. I found the Landrover through an intenet add last September. I E-mailed the seller, and ever several e-mails and snail mail photographs decided I had to either buy it.. or forget about the whole thing for awhile. I called a travel agent in Vancouver BC, and was able get a roundtrip ticket Vancouver to Glasgow (The landrover was in Edinburgh)for $250.00 US. A $150.00 Britrail pass and I was set. Drove to Vancouver, caught the plane with minutes to spare, and was met in Glasgow by friends. Spent the night with them then took the train to Edinburgh where Donald met me in the Rover. Through my gear in the back of the Rover. (Including my camping equipment even though it was Late October, I'm a hopeless optomist) Went to a local shop and checked out the Rover.............. But not very thoroughly I'm afraid....you see.. ahem ... this is my first landrover... and I was kinda excited... and ahh.. ummm. I really trusted the Guy..I mean he was working for this church group... and his wife just had a baby.. and.. ....well.. besides.. I had all my camping stuff.. and... so I didn't really hammer the frame very well, .. and I didn't even really pull the dipstick.. ahem... I know.. I know!!!.. I mean I wouldn't buy a new Toyota without pulling the dipstick.. but.. sometimes you kinda get cought up in the moment ...ya know?.. Donald and I went to his local bank where I used the magic debit card to transfer funds from my account to his (10 minutes and 2200 pounds later..done deal.. dead easy!!) Probably the quickest, safest, way to transfer funds.. IF your sure of the vehicle...!!! Donald then jumped into his vehicle.. and I (in downtown Edinburgh, and a right hand drive non-synchro 109.. followed him to the M9 for the begining of my adventure in Scotland. Elapsed time arrival/departure Edinburg 3hrs.. Heading up the M9 near Stirling..(Rob Roy's home town) I realized the incredible stupidity of my actions. Was that a strange knocking I heard, was there any oil or grease anywhere.. Did the headlights work?.. what about the wipers?.. >From the M9 to the A84. late afternoon.. I'm near Killin.. and I'm sweating bullets.. what have I done??? When on the side of the road I see a fully tracked series II landrover.. Then another Series II with REALLY big tires and this totally awesome 110..based recovery vehicle with winches fore and aft.. and a big friendly sign saying LIXTOLL GARAGE, Landrover Sales, parts and service.. I pull in.. trying to look casual.. it 4:30 and nearly dark.. the rain is pelting down.. (the wipers do work).. a chunky gray haired highlander approaches the counter asking what he can do for me... I explain my fears in an understated american fashion to which he responds.. achh aye... it's naarly foor thirrrty... weeelll be nokkking off soooon.. Come bachh in the moornnin!! I nod with stunned politeness and stumble off into the dark.. dank.. highland night.. water is puddling on the floor of the landrover... I've got to keep the vents open in order minimize the fog on the windows.. and my pants are getting wet... glad I've got gortex on from waist up... hadn't planned on needing gortex.. in my vehicle.. I sit in the vehicle reviewing options... I could stay in Killin.. but that would be I wouldn't get to Mull or Iona.. because there wasn't enough time to got there.. and still get to Southampton in time.. but that way I'd know if the Landrover was solid... Or I could go on to Mull and hope for the best.. Easy call!!! Off Maggie...(a small aside.. by this time several names had been considered.. Maggie hadn't really been chosen yet... that came later.. "THE HAGGIS".. was first choice for a long time.. considering the bronze green exterior.. and the somewhat..ah..uhmmm.. non-descript contents..me) and I hurtle down the A85 (Well ok.. not hurtle exactly).... Bound for the West..for Rannoch Moor, Ben Nevis, and Glen Coe.. Hoping to make North Ballachulish and the B&B I've stayed in before.. 9:00 PM.. still raining.. can't find the B&B.. a recognize the house.. I think..but.. no lights.. find another B&B..(Elapsed time in Scotland 30 hours...)and pass out for the next 8 hours.. ENuf of this... I'm getting too detailed... if anyone is interested in hearing about the next 9 days... (in far less detail).. or whether Maggie actually makes to Southhampton.. (not to mention me).. and whether either of us actually make it to the US... and the (perils?) of shipping a landrover home from England.. costs etc.. let me know... I'll be glad to post the further adventures... Cheers... Mike mcavender@proaxis.com 541.924.9571 Oregon, USA .=====^==========^==========^=====. / (#) ___________________ \ ,|________/ _______________ \________|, | .---. | / \ | .---. | | | | | | |'%,| | | | | | | | | | | | | ,---, | | | | | | | | | | ,---, `---'\| `---' | `-----------------' | `---' |/'---' ,'=======| ___ |=======`, |(o) | /__,| '%, (o)| |(o) | `---' _____ | (o)| | | | O | | ____ || || (SCO) | | O O | | | SSF||| |` | `-----' '%,|675H||| ||_______|_____________________|_______|| \ | _ | / \________________[ - ]________________/ |\\~//|_~~~~~~~~~'~~~.___/~~~~~_|\\~//| |\\~//| |\\~//| |\\~//| |\\~//| |\\~//| |\\~//| |\\~//| |\\~//| |_\_/_| |_\_/_| ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Maggie" 1969 "109" Series IIa ------------------------------------ From: "Walter C. Swain" Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 14:50:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Landrover from UK On Sat, 15 Feb 1997, Mike Cavender wrote: > Thought a few of you might be interested in my experience picking up and > Landrover in the UK.. I'll try to keep it short. All in all it was great > fun with a worrisome moment or two thrown in for interest. Nice teaser Mike, let's get on with the story. Rgds, Walt * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Walter C. Swain | wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us * * Davis Community Network | 1969 LR Dormobile- "Bertha" * * Davis, California | 1988 Range Rover- "Lady Jane" * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------------ From: davery@on-ramp.ior.com (Dale W. Avery) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 97 15:38:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Landrover from UK > >Nice teaser Mike, let's get on with the story. > >Rgds, > >Walt Heh, heh, heh! Misery loves company, eh, Walt? We've never done anything like this, right? ----- Dale W. Avery KC7MM & Ms Daisy '73-SIII-88" "No matter where you go, there you are." ------------------------------------ From: davery@on-ramp.ior.com (Dale W. Avery) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 97 15:35:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Landrover from UK > >ENuf of this... I'm getting too detailed... if anyone is interested in >hearing about the next 9 days... (in far less detail).. or whether Maggie >actually makes to Southhampton.. (not to mention me).. and whether either of >us actually make it to the US... and the (perils?) of shipping a landrover >home from England.. costs etc.. let me know... I'll be glad to post the >further adventures... > >Cheers... Mike Are you a professional writer? God, you really know how to set the hook! More, more , tell me more! I want to hear more about flying to Scotland roundtrip for $250 too! Sounds like a trip my wife and I should be taking! ----- Dale W. Avery KC7MM & Ms Daisy '73-SIII-88" "No matter where you go, there you are." ------------------------------------ From: Neil Andrews Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 16:07:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: The Dark Sucker Model (No LR Content) Sorry to waste space on a joke, but I thought this one was pretty good. I got it yesterday from a physics professor my university (Simon Fraser). Thought it might shed some light on (sorry- suck some dark from) how Lucas electrics work. ----------------------------------------------------------------- >Dear Students, > >Today in lecture I commented on the numerous models that would >"explain" the phenomena of light. Here is yet another that I >include for your entertainment on this birthday of Galileo. I >received this from a colleague, and I assume it is of his >authorship. > >Leigh > >For years, it has been believed that electric bulbs emit light, but >recent information has proved otherwise. Electric bulbs don't emit >light; they suck dark. Thus, we call these bulbs Dark Suckers. > > The Dark Sucker Theory and the existence of dark suckers prove that >dark has mass and is heavier than light. > > First, the basis of the Dark Sucker Theory is that electric bulbs >suck dark. For example, take the Dark Sucker in the room you are in. >There is much less dark right next to it than there is elsewhere. >The larger the Dark Sucker, the greater its capacity to suck dark. >Dark Suckers in the parking lot have a much greater capacity to suck >dark than the ones in this room. > So with all things, Dark Suckers don't last forever. Once they are >full of dark, they can no longer suck. This is proven by the dark >spot on a full Dark Sucker. The dark which has been absorbed is >then transmitted by pylons along to power plants where the machinery >uses fossil fuel to destroy it. > > A candle is a primitive Dark Sucker. A new candle has a white wick. >You can see that after the first use, the wick turns black, >representing all the dark that has been sucked into it. If you put >a pencil next to the wick of an operating candle, it will turn black. >This is because it got in the way of the dark flowing into the >candle. One of the disadvantages of these primitive Dark Suckers is >their limited range. > > There are also portable Suckers. In these, the bulbs can't handle >all the dark by themselves and must be aided by a Dark Storage Unit. >When the Dark Storage Unit is full, it must be either emptied or >replaced before the portable Dark Sucker can operate again. > > Dark has mass. When dark goes into a Dark Sucker, friction from >the mass generates heat. Thus, it is not wise to touch an >operating Dark Sucker. Candles present a special problem as the >mass must travel into a solid wick instead of through clear glass. >This generates a great amount of heat and therefore it's not wise to >touch an operating candle. This is easily proven for lightbulbs too. >When you compress a gas, it gets hot, right? So the light bulb gets >hot because of all the dark being squished into the wires. > > Also, dark is heavier than light. If you were to swim just below >the surface of the lake, you would see a lot of light. If you were >to slowly swim deeper and deeper, you would notice it getting darker >and darker. When you get really deep, you would be in total >darkness. This is because the heavier dark sinks to the bottom of >the lake and the lighter light floats at the top. This is why it is >called light. > >Finally, we must prove that dark is faster than light. If you were >to stand in a lit room in front of a closed, dark closet, and slowly >opened the closet door, you would see the light slowly enter the >closet. But since dark is so fast, you would not be able to see the >dark leave the closet. So next time you see an electric bulb, >remember that is is not a light emitter but a Dark Sucker. > >The following line doesn't quite fit into the theory but almost does: >Ever seen the blue glow in vacuum tubes? That's because electrons >are blue. > >-Dwight Souder ----------------------------------------------------------------- Neil Andrews 1965 SIIA 88' -still running (and leaking) as usual Vancouver, BC ------------------------------------ From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 16:41:24 -0800 Subject: Re: 24 splines At 1:53 PM 2/15/97 -0500, UncleBrad@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 2/14/97 3:39:14 PM, James Howard wrote: > >>So, the solution to this problem is to somehow install 24 spline shafts >>in your vehicle. Sounds expensive, but I am curious as to what is >>involved. > >I've been thinking about this too. Seems like there are a couple of ways to >convert to 24 splines. > >One, of course, is to get a Salisbury rear end. The cost to purchase one will >probably be $800 to $1,000 depending upon whether you buy used or new. British Pacific has a shipment of used ones currently in transit. I don't know the price but I suspect it will be less than Brad thinks. TeriAnn Wakeman "Large format photographers look Santa Cruz California at the world upside down and twakeman@scruznet.com backwards" ------------------------------------ From: Mike Cavender Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 17:26:19 -0800 Subject: Further Adventures in the UK... Do to popular demand... Ok.. one person asked me to continue... still.. ah yes.. where was I>>> Bound for the West..for Rannoch Moor, Ben Nevis, and Glen Coe.. Hoping to make North Ballachulish and the B&B I've stayed in before.. 9:00 PM.. still raining.. can't find the B&B.. a recognize the house.. I think..but.. no lights.. find another B&B..(Elapsed time in Scotland 30 hours...)and pass out for the next 8 hours.. (Found out the owners of the other B&B had moved to the other side of Scotland a year before)..... Kept the windows wide open all night and it was blowing a gale...but warm.. When I went outside the next morning around 7:00.. (still dark) it felt like Hawaii.. an "anti-cyclone" the lady of the house said.. near hurricane force winds in the South of England according to the weather report on the Tele... In North Ballchulish the winds were strong out of the South west at 35 mph + with higher gusts.. and the rain was alternating between drizzle... and deluge... with a minimal vertical component... My Goal for the day was Iona.. a small island..(less than 3-4 miles across) and the Southern end of Mull.. a larger Island lying off the west coast of Scotland to the South West of Fort William. It didn't seem far.. three miles north to the Corran Ferry, a short 1/2 mile ferry crossing to Ardgour..then about 10 miles west to Strontian..at the head of Loch Scridain.. From there Southwest 20 miles on a single track road to Lochaline, Catch another Ferry for about a three mile crossing to Fishnish on the Isle of Mull.. Then 31 miles of Single track road down Mull through Craignure, and Glen More.. ( a wonderfully desolate place!) to the the western tip a small village called Fionnphort.. Where I could catch yet another Ferry to Iona.. Maybe 60 -65 miles total.. a breeze I thought.. I caught the Corron Ferry at about 8:00. The Loch was really rough and waves were breaking over the bow of the ferry and spraying back the full length.. Swells were all white topped and blowing foam.. OUTRAGEOUS!!!! After getting off the ferry I spent the first five minutes after the crossing trying to keep up with a Tdi Disco...(didn't happen) The rain continued blowing through Maggie.. but it was warm.. and every once in a while the clouds would blow off long enough for the sun to warm up the inside of the rover.. it was absolutely gorgeous... I'm not quite sure what there is about this part of the world but it seems more like home to me than Oregon where I've spent all my life... The wet mountain stone was as shining and black (in the few moments when the clouds cleared and there was moments of sunshine) as the road in front of me.... hardly any trees, except where the Douglas Fir plantations have been started, but lots of native grasses, heather, and a few peat bogs here and there.. Highland sheep with they're long curling horns... and the funny small, shaggy Highland Cows.. looking more like Red English Sheepdogs with horns than any cow I've ever seen.. Hardly any people.. do to the clearances.. but that's another story.. I had to keep shaking my head to make sure it was real.. Here I was less than 48 hours from home.. nearly halfway around the world, by myself, (except for Maggie).. wind howling, rain pounding, windshield wipers thumping, and the old crashbox.. growling along in second and third gear.... in a place I dearly love..... AND IN A LANDROVER!!! I really had a hard time comprehending.. still do in fact that I was there.... I'd fantasized about this for years.. it was totally weird.... OOoopppsss Cathy just walked in.. my significant ogre... er.. other.. (sorry Cathy...) We're supposed to go to a concert tonight.. and I haven't finished the dishes.. (Did get the wrecking yard carpet for the Bronco tho.. and even shampooed and shopvaced it.. the two pieces look quite dazzling hanging over the Porch railing.. kinda reminds me of Sweet Home... (Oregon's version of Appalachia for the uninitiated)..but... ... sorry.. gotta go!!! cheers.. mike mcavender@proaxis.com 541.924.9571 Oregon, USA .=====^==========^==========^=====. / (#) ___________________ \ ,|________/ _______________ \________|, | .---. | / \ | .---. | | | | | | |'%,| | | | | | | | | | | | | ,---, | | | | | | | | | | ,---, `---'\| `---' | `-----------------' | `---' |/'---' ,'=======| ___ |=======`, |(o) | /__,| '%, (o)| |(o) | `---' _____ | (o)| | | | O | | ____ || || (SCO) | | O O | | | SSF||| |` | `-----' '%,|675H||| ||_______|_____________________|_______|| \ | _ | / \________________[ - ]________________/ |\\~//|_~~~~~~~~~'~~~.___/~~~~~_|\\~//| |\\~//| |\\~//| |\\~//| |\\~//| |\\~//| |\\~//| |\\~//| |\\~//| |_\_/_| |_\_/_| ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Maggie" 1969 "109" Series IIa Safari Wagon ------------------------------------ From: DANIEL OPPENHEIM Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 18:09:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: Cow Mountain run, Sunday Feb 16- Tomorrow A few of us are heading north to Ukiah and doing some of the 23,000 acres at Cow Hollow, a BLM OHV park. We're leaving SF at the unreal hour of 7 am (on a Sunday!) Meeting at the Marin side of the GG Bridge, the scenic overlook at 7. If you're interested , let me know so we can keep an out for you in the morn'n. Should be a blast... Daniel J. Oppenheim Oppenheim Associates - A Management Consulting Firm based in San Fransisco daniel@mgmtconsult.com phone: (415) 282-5500 fax: (415) 282-5005 1965 Ser IIA 88", "Kermit" ------------------------------------ From: Kelly Minnick Date: Mon, 10 Feb 97 12:51:23 PST Subject: Conversion Does anyone know what the rules are concerning putting a 200 TDi into a '65 Land Rover (coil-sprung)? Can we get them into the country? I would like to build one, but I would have to sell my baby to have the funds. Before I sell her, I would have to be darn sure I can do what I'm thinking of doing! Shoot. I might have to sell the Mog, too for the project I have in mind. Good thing I enjoy playing in the garage! Later, Kelly Minnick ------------------------------------ End of Digest