From: mendo_recce@off-road.com Subject: Digest for mendo_recce: 2/13/1997 Errors-To: owner-mendo_recce@off-road.com Reply-To: mendo_recce@off-road.com Precedence: bulk This is the digest for the mendo_recce mailling list ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------ From: "Alan DuBoff" Date: Thu, 13 Feb 97 16:13:52 -0700 Subject: Re: Arrow Coiler Chassis from ECR On Wed, 12 Feb 1997 08:57:33 -0800, Granville Pool wrote: >Quite true; I was talking about getting a fresh, essentially rust-free D90 >via Maddison 4x4. I'd be very reluctant to buy one through some outfit with >which I was not familiar. Granny, Do you know how much one would cost from Maddi ? I assume it would be possible to get one from him with a petrol engine in it? Or would it have an engine ? Alan DuBoff Software Orchestration, Inc. aland@ibm.net ------------------------------------ From: Kelly Minnick Date: Thu, 13 Feb 97 7:53:48 PST Subject: 200tdi Seems to be a lot of interest in this area, eh? Hey, Granny. Who do I have to contact to get some prices? Let me know. Later, Kelly Minnick (minnick@joker.chinalake.navy.mil) ------------------------------------ From: Doug.Forehand@Eng.Sun.COM (Douglas W. Forehand) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 10:16:51 -0800 Subject: FW: makes sense to me... Unfortunately not enough ground clearance for our application. -Doug ----- Begin Included Message ----- These are responses to a contest sponsored by OMNI Magazine: GRAND PRIZE WINNER: When a cat is dropped, it always lands on its feet, and when toast is dropped, it always lands with the buttered side facing down. I propose to strap buttered toast to the back of a cat; the two will hover, spinning inches above the ground. With a giant buttered cat array, a high-speed monorail could easily link New York with Chicago. ----- End Included Message ----- ------------------------------------ From: anieto@mofo.com (Nieto, Armando S., Jr.) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 10:44:54 -0800 Subject: RE: Mud run --MimeMultipartBoundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Ben, I can stop by the USGS map store in Menlo Park on the way to work Friday and pick up some maps of the area. I also have the Delorme Northern Ca Atlas for whatever that's worth. Armando ---------- From: mendo_recce[SMTP:mendo_recce@off-road.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 1997 5:21 PM To: mendo_recce Subject: Mud run Since Jeremy has had to abort due to work, I'll pipe up to say that I am *definitly* going. Armando Nieto has also said that he is going. If anyone else is going, please tell me or post to the list so I know who to expect. (Dora has a winch, but doesn't have a chain saw...) Let's stick to the origional plan: Start at 11am on Sat. the 15th in the town of Willits [Is there an obvious meeting place here?] Drive Sherwood Road which becomes Fort Bragg Sherwood Rd. The run is from east to west ending, ideally in Ft. Bragg. Be prepared for 3 days and getting stuck and/or panel damage. I have never driven this road, so are there any suggestions on relivant maps? Ben -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Benjamin Smith----------bens@sv.sc.philips.com---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88 Pencom System Administration ----> EDS ------ Message Header Follows ------ ------------------------------------ ------------------------------------ ------------------------------------ From: Benjamin Allan Smith Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 17:12:20 -0800 Subject: Mud run --MimeMultipartBoundary-- ------------------------------------ From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:27:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: ECR & Registration problems (Forward) Hi, all, With all the discussions about coilers and the inevitable mention of East Coast Rover as the importer of Arrow chassis, etc., I thought this [rather, I thought, surprising] posting on the LRO list would be of interest: >Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:17:16 -0500 (EST) >To: Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com >From: cmw@tiac.net (Christopher Weinbeck) >Subject: ECR & Registration problems > >Hi all. > >You may remember that I was having trouble getting the proper paperwork >to register my 109". > >Almost all the background; > >I had asked a rover company to find a 109 SW for me in the U.K., when they >couldn't find one I asked them about importing/shipping one I had found. >'Sure, no problem', 'We can have a mechanic take a look at it for you' 'It >takes three to six weeks' 'It should cost between $1500 and $2200 to your >door; the most it ever cost a customer was $2400.' 'You can handle it all >yourself by phone and transfer the money directly and we'll just ship/import >it, or we can recieve the vehicle, check the MOT and ownership, get a bill >of sale and then pay the guy and then take care of the shipping and importing' > >Well they couldn't find a mechanic I could pay to look at it. >(I went ahead, or the tale would end here :-) >I chose to have them handle everything -I decided that paying them to >recieve the truck and paperwork and pay the owner was safer than transfering >money directly to a perfect stranger on an island far away. > >They got my money (for the purhcase + $300 to get started) and it was "on >the way" to England on 10-30-95. The 109" arrived in NJ 2-16-96. It was >delivered to me a month later. > >Then I got a bill. The truck cost me L2000. The fee to "handle" the >exchange in the U.K. was L150. > >Shipping/Importing and delivery to me came to $3116.43 > >I sent a letter expressing my surprise and detailing three specific times >that we had discussed the expected fee -along with a check for $2500, the >maximum I had been assured the affair might cost, this in addition to the >$300 I had originally sent to "get things started". > >I was told that "The shipping business is not an exact science..." and that >$346.60 of the extra was due to my truck not starting in the U.K. and NJ. >(maybe because it sat in the yard for three months?? -It started when >delivered to me) I was also threatened with "action" and told to pay up the >"balance due ASAP". > >I didn't like it. I had the truck, but they had all the paperwork I would >need to register it. I figured I'd better just pay it, I sent the final >payment the first week of May, 1996. > >*What about the registration you wonder???? > >I've been calling them ever since about getting the import documents that >prove my ownership and would allow my to register the truck. > >I've been told over and over and over that they were in the works, and once >that it was done. Starting with May 14, 1996 "got the check, should get >(registration) done the first of next week" and so on every two weeks or so >untill November 20, 1996. > >I called them up, leaving a message for Mike Smith that I was still looking >for importation documents/whatever and I was told by Mrs. Smith, in essence, >that it was my problem. I bought the truck from some guy -I should have >gotten the documents "We didn't sell you the truck we just imported it" I >was steamed, but said "Fine, then you just collected documents which must be >in my name -which I now want." > >She said she'd look in my folder and call me back. > >She called back and said there were no documents in my folder -"a bill of >sale was up to you" I explained how >our agreement was for them to handle all of that but I recognized that I had >not made the arrangements with her in particular and that I would have to >talk to Mike. > >When I called back I got Alan. (My last post about this) He repeated that I >had not bought the truck from or through them. I repeated that, yes, I had >indeed given them the money and they were responsible for getting a bill of >sale and so fourth. "You sent /us/ the money?? Oh,....then we'll have to >do something" > >11-27-96 (1:57pm) Mike Smith calls and says that he'll "take care" of things. > >12-11-96 I call and hear "all set except for a trip into town". > >12-20-96 It's done. > >1-13-97 "Just wanted to wait untill the new year started" > >2-3-97 I left a message >2-6-97 I left a message > >2-11-97 I called again, the fellow asked Mike and said "He says he sent you >a BILL yesterday, you should have it in a couple of days" > > >AAAAAAAARRRRRRRGHHGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! > >In case you don't know, the Rover Company is East Coast Rover. > >I want whatever is necessary for me to be able to register my truck -This >was part of what I agreed to and paid (well) for. > >I haven't seen the bill yet -maybe it's for ten bucks, in which case I won't >flip -but I may be harboring a doubt or two. > >Any comments or suggestions?? > >Chris > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Christopher Weinbeck Office Logic, Inc. V (508) 392-0288 > _______ 7 Littleton Road F (508) 692-0897 > |__][_[_\__ Westford, MA 01886 Computerization for > |___\_|_]__] the healthcare > (o) (o) '69 109" RHD OD 2.6 Dormobile professional > > *!*!*!*!* ASK ME ABOUT EAST COAST ROVER *!*!*!*!* >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > ------------------------------------ From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:17:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Mud run >Ben said: >> I have never driven this road, so are there any suggestions on >>relivant maps? I said: >I've not ever taken it either but am told that due to the large number of >intersecting logging roads which are often better than the county road, it's >rather easy to get lost. Hopefully less so this time of year than in the >summer when logging is under way. So, I'd try to get the 7.5' quad maps if >you can. I don't remember off the top which ones but if you remind me when >I'm at work tomorrow, I can tell you. Remarkably, I remembered to look at work to see which quad maps would be most needed. For sure you'd want "Noyo Hill" and "Northspur." "Sherwood Peak" is helpful, mainly to tell you where Fort Bragg Sherwood Road comes onto the Northspur quad. On the Sherwood Peak quad, Fort Bragg Sherwood Road is labeled; on the Northspur quad (at least the one we have) it's not. But I can tell you that as it comes onto the top of the Northspur quad, it's following Sherwood Ridge and that is labeled on the quad. If you have a DeLorme Atlas, you probably don't really need any others. Interestingly, very near the top of the Northspur quad, there is a labeled "campground" which is about 3/4 mile after Fort Bragg Sherwood Road enters the top of that quad sheet. I'm sure there will be plenty of mud out there but with all the mild dry weather we've been having and that's promised for most of the weekend, it should be a bit easier than the reports I heard from last year's trip! Have fun, y'all! Granny ------------------------------------ From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:43:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Arrow Coiler Chassis from ECR Alan asked: >Do you know how much one would cost from Maddi ? > >I assume it would be possible to get one from him with a petrol engine >in it? > >Or would it have an engine ? What I had in mind was to have him find a complete D90 roll-over with a good frame, suspension, and running gear. Of the late-model ones, petrol-engined examples are fairly scarce, I believe, as most everyone there wants the tdi. If he were to look at ones a few years old, I think V-8 engined ones are somewhat more available, mostly in the "County" trim and so would likely also have PAS (power steering). There were 4-cyl petrol examples, too (2.5-liter) but again, I think not too common. Given time, I expect he could find most anything, even one with air-conditioning! Then, once he's found a suitable donor vehicle, I think (if I were the one looking) I'd have him remove any unusable parts, finding replacements for them, if they were ones I needed, and remove and sell any usable parts that I didn't need and couldn't readily sell here. I'd also have him maybe source such other special parts as I might need, such as those needed for converting to left-hand drive. While I was at it, since this business would require a container, I'd try to acquire, either through Maddi or elsewhere, other stuff that I might want or thought I could easily sell, to fill up the container for more productive use of the shipping cost. For example, I might get a few sets of steel Discovery wheels, Salisbury rear axles, new fuel tanks, and other such hot items. Or I'd try to find someone with whom to share a container and I don't think that'd be too difficult, on the lists! As to what the cost would be for a wrecked D90, it's hard to say without more specifics. Better to call and talk to Steve Maddison. Unfortunately, I don't have his phone number here at work. I'll try to remember to post it this evening but you might remind me with a message after 5:00 P.M. Cheers, Granny ------------------------------------ From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:33:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: 200tdi Kelly, >Seems to be a lot of interest in this area, eh? Hey, Granny. Who do I have >to contact to get some prices? Let me know. Later, Well, my contact is Steve Maddison and, as I said in a posting in response to Alan DuBoff's questions, I'll try to remember to post his phone no. tonight (don't have it here at work). There's also Walt Swain's contact who is on e-mail and, again, I think I only have that info at home. Later, Granny PS, I tried to send this to your e-mail address rather than to the list but it just would not send. Tried about four times. My connection would just time out. Odd that this happens from time to time. Messages I've been sending to other addresses have been going out just fine. ------------------------------------ From: Kelly Minnick Date: Thu, 13 Feb 97 13:18:46 PST Subject: Re: ECR & Registration problems Granny, this sounds like a nightmare. I shouldn't have this problem as my vehicle ('65) will be bout here in the states and registered before I get the parts I need from England. Don't get me wrong. It's a lot easier to go down and buy a used D90 or a D90SW. But even if I wanted to spend that kind of money, I think I would go this route. Spending 14 months of solid work on my frame-off would have been a lot easier to farm out (cantract out the sand blasting, painting, engine rebuilding, trans, etc. etc.). But, even if I was a millionare, I would be out in the shop tinkering... Nothing better to tinker on than a Land Rover! Later, Kelly Minnick ------------------------------------ From: John_Benham@nps.gov (John Benham) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 14:34:56 -0500 Subject: Canyonlands - `The Maze'! Hello fellow LRO's, Well spring-itis has gotten to several of us Rover owners on the net. So we blindfolded ourselves and individually threw the darts at the map. Son of a gun, they all stuck at `The Maze' area in the Canyonlands NP and Glen Canyon NRA, Utah! So here is an open invitation to anyone within Mendo_Reece to join us. At this time we have James Howard (R/R), Lisa Yagoda (Disco), John Benham (R/R) and Dale Avery (L/R) - Dales a maybe. The Maze area is rough and remote. Your Rover must be in good shape to attempt it. Right now our plan is to meet at Hite Marina mid-day Friday 5/23 and go from there for the next few days. It is all rough camping with no facilities and it will be warm. Recommended map is the Trails Illusrated Canyonlands Maze District No. 246. Contact any of us if you are interested: John Benham: John_Benham@NPS.GOV James Howard: jdh@sextans.lowell.edu Lisa Yagoda: Lisa_Yagoda-P27302@email.mot.com So join us if you can. We hope to have less than 10 vehicles. Later, John Benham Fort Collins, CO ------------------------------------ From: "G. Mugele" Date: Thu, 13 Feb 97 14:13:27 -0800 Subject: Guinness - no LR content One day an Englishman, a Scotsman, and an Irishman walked into a pub together. They each bought a pint of Guinness. Just as they were about to enjoy their creamy beverage, three flies landed in each of their pints, and were stuck in the thick head. The Englishman pushed his beer away in disgust. The Scotsman fished the fly out of his beer, and continued drinking it, as if nothing had happened. The Irishman, too, picked the fly out of his drink, held it out over the beer, and started yelling "SPIT IT OUT, SPIT IT OUT YOU BASTARD!!!!" ------------------------------------ From: James Howard Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 16:16:49 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Series Axles Sorry to bring this up again, but I have been thinking again (run for your lives!) Anyway, with regards to breaking Series halfshafts: On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 BRITPAC@aol.com wrote: > They tend to twist at the splined end, and break pretty flush with the spider > gear. Many times the twisted end is evident before they go, but not always > (making the intact shaft hard to remove). It seems to be more of a function > of fatigue, akin to bending a paper clip. The 4:70 gears vs. vehicle weight > contribute to the problem (I busted a stub axle on my Triumph fitted with > 4:11 gears), as does driveline windup (tolerance stackup). > > The 24 spline axles (Range Rover, Discovery, Defender or the Salisbury) do > not seem to have this problem. > The major difference between the axles that break and the ones that do not seems to be the number of splines - the Series axles have 10 splines, and they are deep and rectangular in cross section, whereas the 24 splines are shallow. I don't know what cross section they have, but I imagine it is triangular. Now according to "Mechanical Engineering Design" by Shigley and Mishke, there are stress concentration factors that are induced by big discontinuities in the surface of your part. These make the stresses in the area of splines larger than they would otherwise be, and the deeper the splines, the higher the stresses. Theory follows: I propose that the 10 splined shafts have higher stress concentration factor than the 24 splined shafts, and the 24 splined shafts have stresses in the region of infinite life for whatever steel they are made of, while the 10 spliners don't. Also, the steel used in these shafts is such that they have enough springiness to absorb the shock in the drivetrain, and that protects the other driveline components (transfercase, transmission, etc). This would explain the problems people have had with these components when they installed stronger halfshafts. So, the solution to this problem is to somehow install 24 spline shafts in your vehicle. Sounds expensive, but I am curious as to what is involved. Didn't Rover do this in 1980 in Series III's? James ------------------------------------ From: growl@hsmpk14a-101.Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 16:30:31 -0800 Subject: Re: Series Axles > Now according to "Mechanical Engineering Design" by Shigley and Mishke, > there are stress concentration factors that are induced by big > discontinuities in the surface of your part. These make the stresses in > the area of splines larger than they would otherwise be, and the deeper > the splines, the higher the stresses. > > James Series axle failures can be described as "classic spline failure" as described in any ME text book. The fixes have been known for years, except by Rover. Many small splines formed by *adding* material to the shaft diameter, and not sharp edged cuts, is the answer. R, ~bg You might be an engineer... 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your lap-top computer costs more than your car If your 4 basic food groups are: 1. Caffeine 2. Fat 3. Sugar 4. Chocolate ------------------------------------ From: Uncle Roger Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 17:17:06 -0800 Subject: Re: Upgrades, was Aluminum Roof Racks for D90. At 10:00 PM 2/12/97 -1000, you wrote: >I know that they start at around 162.00 Mhz, and are spaced at .200 Mhz >intervals. Because they're VHF, they can be reused outside the range of the >reception area. For example, in Spokane, the freq. in use is 162.4 Mhz. >The same freq. is also used in Las Vegas, I believe. That makes sense. >Betcha my antenna is >bigger than your antenna! ;-) Ah, but I've got *two* antennas! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/ ------------------------------------ From: davery@on-ramp.ior.com (Dale W. Avery) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 97 17:37:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Upgrades, was Aluminum Roof Racks for D90. >>Betcha my antenna is >>bigger than your antenna! ;-) > >Ah, but I've got *two* antennas! > >Uncle Roger Do you share certain DNA with goats?? heh, heh, heh... ----- Dale W. Avery KC7MM & Ms Daisy '73-SIII-88" "No matter where you go, there you are." ------------------------------------ From: davery@on-ramp.ior.com (Dale W. Avery) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 97 17:02:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Mud run >Ben also said: > >> I have never driven this road, so are there any suggestions on >>relivant maps? > >I've not ever taken it either but am told that due to the large number of >intersecting logging roads which are often better than the county road, it's >rather easy to get lost. Hopefully less so this time of year than in the >summer when logging is under way. So, I'd try to get the 7.5' quad maps if >you can. I don't remember off the top which ones but if you remind me when >I'm at work tomorrow, I can tell you. > >Wish I could be in several places at once (four this weekend!), > > >Granny > I have an additional idea to go with Granny's. If someone who is going along has the 7.5' topos, it's a pretty easy job to fix critical way points off the map, then transfer them to your GPS unit. Or....Jim Gwynn showed me the latest version of a DeLorme CD that shows many roads (most near communities, unfortunately)that also gives the lat./long. of the cursor. So as one moves the cursor (arrow) along the road, the lat/long changes. The CD data can be uploaded from the computer directly to most GPS units, I believe. Or if you're really wealthy, you can take along a notebook computer with a CD drive, and connect it to your GPS. As you drive you get a readout of your location. Gotta have those one of these days. ----- Dale W. Avery KC7MM & Ms Daisy '73-SIII-88" "No matter where you go, there you are." ------------------------------------ From: Jim Laurel Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 17:46:10 -0800 Subject: Request for Land Rover Digest Hello, I'm in the process of preparing an expedition to Oman next spring and would like to be in contact with the Land Rover community in general. I am hoping that I can participate on the list and get and share tips on vehicle preparation (I'm taking a 96 Discovery). Thanks very much, Jim Laurel ------------------------------------ From: davery@on-ramp.ior.com (Dale W. Avery) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 97 17:57:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: Carb talk - Rochesters I saw this on LRO and thought that it would be interesting reading for those of you not on that digest: "The carburetors you seek were fitted onto 1950's GM sixes. Model B Rochesters can be easily identified as the venturi is completely surrounded by float bowl. This family of carburetors was made in 3 basic sizes with venturis measuring 30.9mm, 33mm and 38.5mm. Get the smaller ones. Be sure to get one with provisions for a manual choke. Get the ones with sleeve style air inlet. During the last 20 years I have used Rochesters and original Solexes on my Dormobile. My impression is that the greater flow of the Rochester gives better performance on the highway, especially at our altitude in Colorado (starting at 5,000' and including 13,000' passes). With it's float bowl surrounding the venturi the Rochester also operates well at angles. On 30 Dec 1996, Jim Allen reported the results of his flow bench test of several common LR four cylinder carburetors: "Listing the carbs according to airflow and size, here's how they stacked up on the flow bench. Flow rates are in cubic feet per minute at 1.5 inches of mercury. Rochester Model BV 1bbl - 30.9mm venturi - 167cfm Weber 34ICH 1-bbl - 29mm venturi - 138cfm Zenith 36IV 1-bbl - 27mm venturi - 127cfm Solex 1bbl - 28mm venturi - 115cfm Weber 32/34DMTL 2bbl - 26/27mm - 194cfm Weber 32/36DGV 2bbl - 27/27mm - 191cfm Weber 38DGAS 2bbl - 36/36mm - 424cfm The big Rochester, with it's oil drum sized venturi, was the winner overall (though a slight loss at the low end was noted)." After hearing all the talk here on Mendo Recce, if I could do it again, I think I'd go with the Rochester. I haven't had the Weber back on the road yet, when I get the vacuum relay and elbow from RN, I'll let you know how it is going. Up until the engine swap, I was really happy with the Weber. At the present time I'm stuck with it, and will learn how often I will have to strip it down and reclean the wanker. ----- Dale W. Avery KC7MM & Ms Daisy '73-SIII-88" "No matter where you go, there you are." ------------------------------------ From: Mehdi & Christine Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 21:46:14 -0800 Subject: inform me What is the jeep eater kit? What is 33" means on that defender in Uncle Tom's Cabin( or is it Brother walsh) ------------------------------------ From: Granville Pool Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 21:48:17 -0800 Subject: Maddison 4x4 Kelly and anyone else who may want it, Here's the information on Steve and Wendy Maddison's business: Maddison 4x4 Specialising in Land Rover 1 Water House Farm, Station Road, Topcliffe, Thirsk, North Yorkshire YO7 3SG U.K. 011-22-1845-587407 voice 011-22-1845-587504 fax Cheers, Granny PS Tell 'em I say a 'ardy 'ello!! ------------------------------------ End of Digest