From: mendo_recce@off-road.com Subject: Digest for mendo_recce: 2/12/1997 Errors-To: owner-mendo_recce@off-road.com Reply-To: mendo_recce@off-road.com Precedence: bulk This is the digest for the mendo_recce mailling list ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------ From: "Alan DuBoff" Date: Wed, 12 Feb 97 15:35:50 -0700 Subject: Re: Arrow Coiler Chassis from ECR On Wed, 12 Feb 1997 00:06:53 -0800, Granville Pool wrote: >Includes disk brakes and the coil suspension too. But the price doesn't >compare very favorably with importing a wrecked D90 and getting the running >gear too. Especially for California where the galvanize chassis frame is >overkill. Good point, but how much does it cost to get a wrecked D90 from the UK and then what would the frame be like on *IT* ? Since a galvanized frame surely wouldn't be overkill in the UK, the steel one may have quite a bit of rust on it coming from the land of rot! Thoughts ????? I guess that in that case that one got a wrecked D90, wouldn't they still want to have a '65 or earlier Series to register it under ? Just curious... In some ways it probably makes sense to do that I'm sure and one could probably find a wrecked D90 with a 200Tdi in it, if diesel was what they wanted. How would one go about getting the 200Tdi registered, even on an older truck? The 200Tdi is not approved for the US, is it ? Or would one go on the assumption that if you have a '65 there is no need to get it smog'd so they assume it has petrol ? Alan DuBoff Software Orchestration, Inc. aland@ibm.net ------------------------------------ From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 06:36:35 -0800 Subject: Re: 4:71's and ARB's Installed ( and stuff ) At 12:10 PM 2/11/97 +0000, Tom Walsh wrote: >Thanks TeriAnn, >I'll have to say again your rig was looking very sharp. I like the >paint color you chose. I can't wait to see it next time on the trail >( or stuck in traffic again! ) when your finished. > >Tomw > Thanks Tom. I spent a lot of time deciding on a colour. Its a 1973 Jag British Racing Green. The Green Rover has been going through a lot of parts lately, a set of exhaust valves, choke cable, 2 alternators, water pump, lower thermostat housing, thermostat, accelerator pump in the last 60 days. I think I'm staying close to home until I think she has chucked enough old parts and that the new ones have settled in happily. I sort of look at my car as this community of parts. I suddenly have mixed emotions about trails. I sitting here with one of the more powerful electic winches made, 150 feet of new 3/8 inch cable (Thanks John), a big Huskivarna chain saw and new door, wing skin and paint. | "The Green Rover" | 1960 109 two door | with Dormobile top | | | _______ ____ .==|"======="===' `==============. / | \ | .|________________________________.| |/ | ___________________ .. \| ,|___|____/ _________________ \____||__|, | .-|-. | | | | .-||. | | | | | | | |'%,| ||| | TeriAnn Wakeman | | | | | | | | |.||| | Santa Cruz _ | | | | | |_________________| | ||||| | _ California (_) | | | | | | ||||| | (_) \| `-|-' | == '% ||||' |/ twakeman@scruznet.com ,'===|===|=====================|=||||===` |(o) | 0|| || ||0||||(o)| |(o) o || || || ||||(o)| || == || || || |||| || || ____ || || || ||||__|| |||7050| || || || |____/|| || ---- ||________||_________|| || || ||_______|_____________________|___||__|| | | | | _ | | | | |_|_____|________[ - ]__________|_____|_| | Land |~~~~~~~~'~~~.___/~~~~| Land | | / | | / | | Rover | | Rover | |________| |________| |\\~//| |\\~//| |_\_/_| |_\_/_| ------------------------------------ From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 08:57:33 -0800 Subject: Re: Arrow Coiler Chassis from ECR Alan, >Good point, but how much does it cost to get a wrecked D90 from the UK >and then what would the frame be like on *IT* ? Since a galvanized >frame surely wouldn't be overkill in the UK, the steel one may have >quite a bit of rust on it coming from the land of rot! Thoughts ????? Quite true; I was talking about getting a fresh, essentially rust-free D90 via Maddison 4x4. I'd be very reluctant to buy one through some outfit with which I was not familiar. >I guess that in that case that one got a wrecked D90, wouldn't they >still want to have a '65 or earlier Series to register it under ? Just >curious... Absolutely! >In some ways it probably makes sense to do that I'm sure and one could >probably find a wrecked D90 with a 200Tdi in it, if diesel was what >they wanted. > >How would one go about getting the 200Tdi registered, even on an older >truck? You wouldn't! You'd have your <'66 Land-Rover registered beforehand and then do a chassis swap. If I were doing it, I'd move the drivetrain rearward and keep the Series-style front bodywork and move the rear x-member forward to fit the Series rear lower body. Ideally, I'd keep the D90 doors (if one-piece) or door tops and windscreen (thus requiring a shorted Defender roof-top as well). >The 200Tdi is not approved for the US, is it ? Or would one go on the >assumption that if you have a '65 there is no need to get it smog'd so >they assume it has petrol ? As far as I know, they wouldn't know or care. Was a <'66 original diesel registered any differently from a petrol version? I don't think so. Cheers, Granny ------------------------------------ From: BRITPAC@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 12:42:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Doug Shipman's Lock-Less Monster in Japanese Magazine! There is a Japanese Land Rover magazine. We were in the last issue, in an article about Land Rover in the US, along with 4 Oaks, Symes, Silver Star (was Thousand Oaks), and Safari Gard. Don't know what they said about us, though... The Factory advertising was interesting, as it's Land Rover/Rover (car)/MG, and they were touting the "smart owner" plan. Requires an IQ test? Leaves me out... Keith's Series 1 and Lawrances Series 3 were both pictured as well. Steve ------------------------------------ From: Chris Dow Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:33:47 -0800 Subject: Re: 200Tdi conversion/opinion According to the literature I've gotten from ECR and correspondence with Mike Smith, their chassis does, indeed, come with the disc brakes. That's a really nice deal. In fact, I've told several perspective Rover owners that they might want to consider a Rover with a good engine and a shot frame (these are often around $2K in price) and then do that mod. However, the CS chassis that ECR sells (and it's the only way to get one in the US) is around #750 in the U.K. The difference in price is the axles and the brakes. I really wish ECR would sell the chassis "as-is", in addition to the version with the axles & brakes. It sort of leaves a bad taste in my mouth the way they do it now. C ------------------------------------ From: Bob Watson Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:25:17 -0800 Subject: RE: Fusable Links and other Disco stuff TomW described blowing his Disco's 100A Fusable Links while winching. Is this common? This is the first time I've heard of that happening while winching and I've seen some strenuous winching sessions. Could it be a failing alternator or regulator that would cause a surge or something? Also is the 100A link a generic part? I know I need to add some of those "BIG" fuses to my collection so while I'm at it, I should probably get a link, if I can get it all at the corner auto parts store. Right now I just have a collection of 8 ga. wire that I could use in a pinch. (!) I know I'm tempting the (so far dormant) god of Lucas Electrics by saying this, but to date, the electrical system is the only system that I've not had any problems with. Ironically, OTOH, the drive train, which I'd thought to be the best feature of the car, is where most of the warranty repairs have been applied. I guess there's just no telling with these goofy contraptions. OBTW, I was at the auto parts store the other day (though not for the Rover, if you can believe it) and FRAM now lists a fuel filter for the Disco. Priced considerably less then LR's. I also found some Permatex anti-seize so I picked up a tube. Since I had to take the front wheels off to inspect the brakes (they were squeaking so I wanted to check them. 38K miles and going strong! OK, I haven't had any problems with the brakes either while I'm counting my blessings) I cleaned the lug nuts & studs (talk about rusty!) then used some anti-seize on them and WOW! what a difference! Way cool stuff! It's rated for some 1200 degrees so next time I have to drop the exhaust pipe (e.g. to change the transmission filter :-( ), it's going on those bolts as well. -- Bob W. '95 Disco (T-minus 2 months and counting 'til the warranty expires) ------------------------------------ From: "Beckett, Ron" Date: Thu, 13 Feb 97 06:37:00 EST Subject: Re: 4:71's and ARB's Installed ( and stuff ) Tom Walsh >DISCO ALERT!!!!!!!! >This in turn made the winch work extra hard. It ended up blowing the >100 AMP Fusable link ( NOT JUST A FUSE! ) for the Alternator >( Not Good!, but better than frying Alternator which I thought at 1st! ) Tom, I thought alternators were self-limiting in their current capability. But then, is your alternator capable of putting out more than 100 amps? If so, shouldn't the fusible link be uprated? Is there a fault elsewhere in your system? Note: I am not flaming you. I really would like to know, just in case I ever upgrade my alternator. Regards, Ron Beckett Editor, Hillman Owners Club of Australia Newsletter Emu Plains, Australia '87 Range Rover 4.8L auto '67 Hillman Gazelle '71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660 ------------------------------------ From: "Kerner, R." Date: Wed, 12 Feb 97 08:48:00 PST Subject: Rob's Tranny Well I just got off the phone with Scotty, and the tranny is ready. Yahooo. The interesting news is I was driving around in a full time four wheel drive vehicle. It seems when I was shifting from four low back to high it was not disengaging even though I seemed like it was. Luckily I have locking hubs which probably prevented me from destroying stuff riding around on dry pavement in 4X4. I also have a 105 amp alternator in the mail to me. So this weekend should be a pretty productive weekend. Plans are to mount the new clutch. Mount the alternator, put on the little things from the engine, like the filler tube, oil stick, and fuel pump. Then Drop in the engine. Then drop in the transmission. I figure if I work all Sunday and Monday I should be somewhere close to being back on the road, by maybe next weekend. -Rob kerner@vegmail.ucdavis.edu ------------------------------------ From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 11:20:11 -0800 Subject: Arrow chassis availability (was Re: 200Tdi conversion/opinion) Chris said: >However, the CS chassis that ECR sells (and it's the only way to get one >in the US) is around #750 in the U.K. The difference in price is the >axles and the brakes. I really wish ECR would sell the chassis >"as-is", in addition to the version with the axles & brakes. It sort of >leaves a bad taste in my mouth the way they do it now. As far as I've heard, you can still buy direct from Arrow Services in the U.K. for shipment to the U.S. Granny ------------------------------------ From: BRITPAC@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 15:03:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: Internet Special/Discoverys ONE ONLY DISCOVERY ARB BULL BAR (NON-WINCH): brand new, in stock. Only $400.00 (plus shipping & tax). That's a good $100 off retail. Call 1 800 554-4133 if you're interested. ------------------------------------ From: Jeremy Bartlett Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 12:37:31 -0800 Subject: Mud/Sud Run Participation - Not Me :( Well it's pretty much definite at this point that I won't be able to make the Suds/Mud run - too much $@#$@# at work. Hopefully everyone else has a great time and it doesn't stop because I can't make it. Guess I won't be able to use my chainsaw in the near future ..... OTOH ... I could bring it in here to work :) cheers, Jeremy ------------------------------------ From: "Tom Walsh" Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 00:29:08 +0000 Subject: Fusable Link Stuff > Tom Walsh > >DISCO ALERT!!!!!!!! > >This in turn made the winch work extra hard. It ended up blowing the > >100 AMP Fusable link ( NOT JUST A FUSE! ) for the Alternator > >( Not Good!, but better than frying Alternator which I thought at 1st! ) > > Tom, > I thought alternators were self-limiting in their current capability. But > then, is your alternator capable of putting out more than 100 amps? Incredibly I think the alternator is a 105 Amp unit ( I'll have to check ) the link is 100 amps ( HMMM.....? ). The winch drum was being ( restricted ) pinched, it also had the load of the Disco on it.. I suspect this allowed it to draw maximum current from the system, I had the engine at a high ( 2000-3000 rpm ) to "help out".... somehow this whole scenario "spiked" or over-rated the system... It could have been a fault in the wiring, the winch, a "Hello" from Lucas??? I have to debug that part further. The main point I wanted you folks to get was.... Go buy some fusable links, maybe you'll never need them, but when you do, you really need em. 8 guage wire may work, however if it is truly some kind of fault ( short ) It may damage the system.... by having lotsa Fusable Links on hand you can stick a new one in..... if it happens again, its time to debug the system in the field, elsewise get back to solid ground and review the situation. I hadn't thought about having spares for those ( yes I have worked around that part of the car before and seen them.... I just didn't put two and two together, realizing that I didn't have any spares ... who does? ). You can get them at Land Rover, Pep Boys or maybe other auto parts stores, they are inexpensive. Also I wanted to point out how important having full charge is to the vehicle ( we all have heard of the weird eletrical problems folks have had due to loose wires or semi dead batteries ). It probably isn't apparent to us that we could lose our alternator, drain our baterries, die in the middle of the road.... stick it in park ( by habit ) check the beast out... and NOT GET IT BACK OUT OF PARK! Yes you can mechanically disconnect the mess at the tranny I bet.... but if you were in the middle of a roadway doing this... it would be close to suicidal.... so now we know! Not counting the recovery effort ( partly the point of our exercises for the weekend ) the electrical diagnosis and fix was relatively quick and easy ( IMHO ) TOMW ---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------* Fluent Networks "Intelligent Networking Solutions" tomw@best.com 95 LR Disco "The Light Brigade" http://www.fluentnet.com *---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------* ------------------------------------ From: Mehdi.Saghafi.B@bayer.com Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 16:32:22 -0500 Subject: Re: Rob's Tranny How much have you spend so far? mehdi ------------------------------------ From: Jeremy Bartlett Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 15:07:34 -0800 Subject: :) was Re: Dropping Stuff While Working on the Land Rover Kevin Kelly wrote: > snip > if anyone else is me Uhh.... Kelly you reading this ? :) cheers, Jeremy ------------------------------------ From: Uncle Roger Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 16:51:30 -0800 Subject: Re: Upgrades, was Aluminum Roof Racks for D90. At 10:01 PM 2/11/97 -1000, you wrote: >I just ran out and checked my Radio Shack CB. It has 10 weather channels. >I don't have the manual with me at the moment so can't tell you exactly what >frequencies they're on. Okay fine. So I've only got 3. So what. It's not how many you have, it's how you use them! 8^) If I remember correctly, each channel is for a different part of the country. >As far as airplaines go, remember they're up at 35,000+ ft, the key word is >up. No mountains, trees, etc., to block signals. I would a 100 watts >signal will have pretty good coverage UP. :-) Good point. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/ ------------------------------------ From: Bob Watson Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 17:15:19 -0800 Subject: RE: Weather bands [warning, "nit" alert] Just a "nit", but none of the airplanes I've flown or flown in have had a marine weather band receiver. The Weather band used in the CB's and Land Rovers is in the Marine VHF band (and is FM modulated to boot) somewhere around 162.550 MHz. While aircraft VHF communications are AM and 30-40 Mhz lower in frequency (118-137 MHz for comms). Aircraft weather is transmitted on freqs in the this band and occasionally on some of the VHF radio beacons (108-118 Mhz). Aircraft radios DO receive marine radio beacons transmitting in the 250-540 KHz frequency band which sometimes have weather reports broadcast on them, but unless you got your car radio from Europe where they use this band for broadcast stations, you probably won't pick those up in your car. [end nit] Line-of-sight does take on a whole new dimension when in an airplane. I've talked to stations over 80 miles away while flying at 10,000' above the surrounding terrain using my handheld VHF Ham radio (146 Mhz) that has only 2.5 watts of power out. -- Bob W. -----Original Message----- From: mendo_recce@off-road.com [SMTP:mendo_recce@off-road.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 1997 6:44 AM To: mendo_recce@off-road.com Subject: Re: Upgrades, was Aluminum Roof Racks for D90. >As far as airplaines go, remember they're up at 35,000+ ft, the key word is >up. No mountains, trees, etc., to block signals. I would a 100 watts >signal will have pretty good coverage UP. :-) Good point. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/ ------------------------------------ From: Benjamin Allan Smith Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 17:12:20 -0800 Subject: Mud run Since Jeremy has had to abort due to work, I'll pipe up to say that I am *definitly* going. Armando Nieto has also said that he is going. If anyone else is going, please tell me or post to the list so I know who to expect. (Dora has a winch, but doesn't have a chain saw...) Let's stick to the origional plan: Start at 11am on Sat. the 15th in the town of Willits [Is there an obvious meeting place here?] Drive Sherwood Road which becomes Fort Bragg Sherwood Rd. The run is from east to west ending, ideally in Ft. Bragg. Be prepared for 3 days and getting stuck and/or panel damage. I have never driven this road, so are there any suggestions on relivant maps? Ben ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Benjamin Smith----------bens@sv.sc.philips.com---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88 Pencom System Administration ----> EDS ------------------------------------ From: davery@on-ramp.ior.com (Dale W. Avery) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 97 18:46:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Not LR...ImageAXS Give me a couple of days to evaluate it a bit more and I'll let you know what I think. It seems to be a digitally functional relational database. Dale > >What's the Pro version like? Am I missing something I need? Do tell! > >Thanks, > > >Michael Slade >Portland, OR >slade@sisna.com >'70 109 SW > > > ----- Dale W. Avery KC7MM & Ms Daisy '73-SIII-88" "No matter where you go, there you are." ------------------------------------ From: davery@on-ramp.ior.com (Dale W. Avery) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 97 18:51:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: Converting Hams to CB >I know we have been through this before, but does anyone have any >antenna recommendations? I use the CB about once a year, I have a >Midland "all in one" unit with all the controls on the handset. I just >put the CB on the back seat floor area and plug it in to the back seat >cigarette lighter. The old antenna I had was a mag mount that I stuck >to the center of the hood. I was looking at an antenna that hooks on >the back window at Radio Shack. > >Kevin Kelly >KF6 BEV > Are you talking about a through the glass mount type? I have used a Larson 2 meter antenna of that type and I can't recommend them. The problem is that because they do not mount to a metal base of some type, they are in essense monopoles. A mag mount or permanently mounted antenna is much better. The metal base and sheetmetal act as a ground plane. A really good antenna is much better than an expensive radio for the types of uses we typically need. ----- Dale W. Avery KC7MM & Ms Daisy '73-SIII-88" "No matter where you go, there you are." ------------------------------------ From: davery@on-ramp.ior.com (Dale W. Avery) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 97 18:55:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Arrow Coiler Chassis from ECR > >Includes disk brakes and the coil suspension too. But the price doesn't >compare very favorably with importing a wrecked D90 and getting the running >gear too. Especially for California where the galvanize chassis frame is >overkill. > >Cheers, > > >Granny > Dang it, Granny! Stop putting these ideas in my head. I've got to get the kids thru college. Um, you said you had a friend over there that could help with the paperwork? :-) ----- Dale W. Avery KC7MM & Ms Daisy '73-SIII-88" "No matter where you go, there you are." ------------------------------------ From: davery@on-ramp.ior.com (Dale W. Avery) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 97 18:42:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: 4:71's and ARB's Installed ( and stuff ) >onest, > >I reely kan spel! > >Must've been in a hurie! :) > >Tomw Trying out the new Rovonics, eh?? ----- Dale W. Avery KC7MM & Ms Daisy '73-SIII-88" "No matter where you go, there you are." ------------------------------------ From: davery@on-ramp.ior.com (Dale W. Avery) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 97 19:20:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Rob's Tranny >in the mail to me. So this weekend should be a pretty productive weekend. > Plans are to mount the new clutch. Mount the alternator, put on the >little things from the engine, like the filler tube, oil stick, and fuel >pump. Then Drop in the engine. Then drop in the transmission. I figure >if I work all Sunday and Monday I should be somewhere close to being back >on the road, by maybe next weekend. > > -Rob > That's an interesting way of doing things. Is it easier to drop in the engine first, then the tranny? Both times I've done this, we did the tranny first, then the engine... ----- Dale W. Avery KC7MM & Ms Daisy '73-SIII-88" "No matter where you go, there you are." ------------------------------------ From: davery@on-ramp.ior.com (Dale W. Avery) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 97 19:34:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Upgrades, was Aluminum Roof Racks for D90. > >Okay fine. So I've only got 3. So what. It's not how many you have, it's >how you use them! 8^) If I remember correctly, each channel is for a >different part of the country. > >Uncle Roger I know that they start at around 162.00 Mhz, and are spaced at .200 Mhz intervals. Because they're VHF, they can be reused outside the range of the reception area. For example, in Spokane, the freq. in use is 162.4 Mhz. The same freq. is also used in Las Vegas, I believe. Betcha my antenna is bigger than your antenna! ;-) ----- Dale W. Avery KC7MM & Ms Daisy '73-SIII-88" "No matter where you go, there you are." ------------------------------------ From: davery@on-ramp.ior.com (Dale W. Avery) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 97 19:37:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: Weather bands >Line-of-sight does take on a whole new dimension when in an airplane. I've >talked to stations over 80 miles away while flying at 10,000' above the >surrounding terrain using my handheld VHF Ham radio (146 Mhz) that has only >2.5 watts of power out. > >-- Bob W. Cool! BTW, one reason I'm using the FT-707 is because I want to do some mountain topping on 20 mtr HF this summer. Should be able to give out some rare counties for county hunters. Ties in my two favorite vices, ham radio and LR's.. ----- Dale W. Avery KC7MM & Ms Daisy '73-SIII-88" "No matter where you go, there you are." ------------------------------------ From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 20:17:15 -0800 Subject: Re: Arrow Coiler Chassis from ECR At 6:55 PM 2/12/97 -0800, Dale W. Avery wrote: >Dang it, Granny! Stop putting these ideas in my head. I've got to get the >kids thru college. Um, you said you had a friend over there that could help >with the paperwork? :-) Hay don't forget Richard Brownlee, a lurker on this list, lives in the UK and can locate and check out cars & major assemblies & such. He searched down some parts for me and helped Walter get his Dormobile. I recommend him very highly, esp if you are looking to purchase a car in the UK & have it brought home. Its nice to have a knowledgable friend over there willing to do the leg work. Richard Brownlee <101360.3273@CompuServe.COM> The world is a much smaller place in the internet | "The Green Rover" | 1960 109 two door | with Dormobile top | | | _______ ____ .==|"======="===' `==============. / | \ | .|________________________________.| |/ | ___________________ .. \| ,|___|____/ _________________ \____||__|, | .-|-. | | | | .-||. | | | | | | | |'%,| ||| | TeriAnn Wakeman | | | | | | | | |.||| | Santa Cruz _ | | | | | |_________________| | ||||| | _ California (_) | | | | | | ||||| | (_) \| `-|-' | == '% ||||' |/ twakeman@scruznet.com ,'===|===|=====================|=||||===` |(o) | 0|| || ||0||||(o)| |(o) o || || || ||||(o)| || == || || || |||| || || ____ || || || ||||__|| |||7050| || || || |____/|| || ---- ||________||_________|| || || ||_______|_____________________|___||__|| | | | | _ | | | | |_|_____|________[ - ]__________|_____|_| | Land |~~~~~~~~'~~~.___/~~~~| Land | | / | | / | | Rover | | Rover | |________| |________| |\\~//| |\\~//| |_\_/_| |_\_/_| ------------------------------------ From: Don MacDonald Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 20:39:27 -0800 (PST) Dale, Thank you for your comments!! I'm on my second one now, this one's for my dad who helped greatly with the $$$ for mine!! Later, Don BTW Don McDonald's photos and activities are pretty impressive! I couldn't imagine stripping a LR down to the frame at age 18, and then rebuilding and repainting it. Congrats to a great home page. Dale ----------------------------------------------- Don MacDonald http://mypage.direct.ca/d/don ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------ From: Granville Pool Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 20:37:00 -0800 Subject: Re: Mud run Ben said: > Since Jeremy has had to abort due to work, I'll pipe up to say that >I am *definitly* going. Armando Nieto has also said that he is going. >If anyone else is going, please tell me or post to the list so I know who >to expect. (Dora has a winch, but doesn't have a chain saw...) Do you want to borrow a chain saw? I could have Bennett take my small one (big one's not working right now and Bennett would probably not be too anxious to loan his new one) to work with him (he works Saturday). You could pick it up there (Sun Cycles bicycle shop in Willits, on highway, just south of Sherwood Road, wast side of highway) but would have to return it to my house in Redwood Valley which might be a little out of you way on the return, depending upon what route you might take back... Ben also said: > I have never driven this road, so are there any suggestions on >relivant maps? I've not ever taken it either but am told that due to the large number of intersecting logging roads which are often better than the county road, it's rather easy to get lost. Hopefully less so this time of year than in the summer when logging is under way. So, I'd try to get the 7.5' quad maps if you can. I don't remember off the top which ones but if you remind me when I'm at work tomorrow, I can tell you. Wish I could be in several places at once (four this weekend!), Granny ------------------------------------ End of Digest