From: mendo_recce@off-road.com Subject: Digest for mendo_recce: 2/1/1997 Errors-To: owner-mendo_recce@off-road.com Reply-To: mendo_recce@off-road.com Precedence: bulk This is the digest for the mendo_recce mailling list ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------ From: "Alan DuBoff" Date: Sat, 01 Feb 97 07:24:30 -0700 Subject: Re: RAB On Fri, 31 Jan 1997 17:06:53 -0500, Mehdi.Saghafi.B@bayer.com wrote: >When I bought my car it was 3 yr. old and 23,000 miles. No warranty. >Within a 3000 mile I developed a pinion seal and a front swile housing gasket >leak behind the breaks. The gave me 1/2 warranty. at 36000 I had another leak >at the right hand swile housing around the ball. I got another 1/2. They >have been faire with me. The shop guy Mark has given me tips and tads when >I've been there. Even if your paying 1/2 the price, your probably still over paying by about 2 or 3 times... I read Scott's story about RAB and laughed, it reminded me of one time I had my truck at LRSJ. In fact, I have not heard anything good about the dealers in the SF Bay area of California, with the exception of Cole up in Walnut Creek, people seem happy there. It's kind of a shame, there are a lot of 'rovers up here, and I often see comments on how we are spoiled with 4 or 5 dealers so close together, but we need that many to get just one good one, and even then the majority of us can't find *IT*...(or can't get to it easily). Alan DuBoff Software Orchestration, Inc. aland@ibm.net ------------------------------------ From: Jeremy John Bartlett Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 11:12:58 -0800 Subject: Non LR Hummer Honesty in Advertising I just came across a 2 page Hummer ad. in the Economist. Finally it contains a bit of honesty in advertising. The ad is basically a 2 page spread of the front of a white Hummer heading down a downtown street. The large text reads: "You are Invincible You are All-Powerful You are Unstoppable (I wonder what that says about brakes :)) You are on Your Way to the Grocery Store" cheers, Jeremy ------------------------------------ From: "Walter C. Swain" Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 11:58:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Range Rover Cold Starting On Sat, 1 Feb 1997 KKelly6788@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 97-01-27 12:27:20 EST, you write: > > >I replaced both relays on the fuel system, located under the front > >passenger's seat. > > Where did you buy the relays? I am thinking about picking up a couple and > keeping mine as spares. I have heard that they are not very expensive. Hi Kevin, I ordered from BP, and it wasn't cheap. Came in a Genuine LR parts box, ~$45. Turned out to be a Bosch, as expected. I'd ordered two relays (fuel pump and fuel injectors) from BP, and when the second one didn't arrive, I called and talked to Steve. Turned out that they hadn't been able to figure out the designation for the second, so didn't send anything. I had the factory manual at work, and so with it and their parts manual we were able to ID the second: same as the first. Bosch part # 0332 014 112, 12V 30A. I went to the local semi-professional parts place (Southern Auto Parts, I think) and they had a problem looking it up from the Range Rover entries, but one of their more experienced guys knew how to get it as a Bosch part. It was more complicated than it should have been. But I did get it the same day, finally. Cost: ~$15. This all on the day before taking off for T-Day in Seattle. Later I called BP and filled them in on what I'd found, and asked if they are stocking the Bosch relays as OEM parts. It turned out they they've just started getting orders from RR owners like us, and haven't worked out the match between LR parts and the OEMs. Steve mentioned that they'd like to get a well worn 88 or 89 and tear it down for a thorough evaluation of OEM part suppliers. Sooner the better. Obviously, we could also go through our own vehicles and ID the OEMs of many of these parts and go the local supplier route whan it's feasible. I looked at some of the other relays (there seem to be dozens of them) and quite a few are Lucas. Bad luck. > P.S. Do you carry a spare coil? I have met a lot of long term LR overs that > would not leave home without one. Not yet, but I expect I will. BTW, I now have a set of Gates belts on mine. I think Kelly Minnick mentioned that he uses them. I ought to get the part numbers ID'd for future reference as well. Is somebody already keeping a substitute/OEM parts list? Rgds, Walt * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Walter C. Swain | wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us * * Davis Community Network | 1969 LR Dormobile- "Bertha" * * Davis, California | 1988 Range Rover- "Lady Jane" * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------------ From: Jeremy John Bartlett Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 14:13:04 -0800 Subject: Diana's Clutch Revisited Several (three/four?) weeks ago I posted about a failed clutch in an '83 RR (Diana). The clutch will not disengage and but the transmission will shift and there is an oil leak from the seal/pump from the gearbox to the bellhousing. The hydraulics check out OK. I have one more question on this before I start pulling the box (God only knows when I'll find the time). Could a failed pilot bushing/bearing cause the clutch release failure? It was difficult to disengage a couple of times (repeated trys necessary) then failed totally). cheers, Jeremy ------------------------------------ From: davery@on-ramp.ior.com (Dale W. Avery) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 97 13:13:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: go/no-go fealer gauge?? >Dale says >>Almost every valve was also tight. I took JohnO's suggestion and got a >>go-no go guage and that really makes a difference compared to the others I >>have used in the past. It really lets you know if you're on the money. >What the heck is a go/no-go fealer gauge?? >I have never heard of such a tool. >Paul > >Paul Archibald Paul, sorry for taking so long to get back to you on this. A go-no go guage is very similar to the set of blade guages you are probably using now. Here's the difference; the .010" guage is made from .012" guage stock that has had the first ~1/2" of the blade machined down to .010". In use, the valve clearance is right when you can easily slip in the .010" front of the blade, but cannot slip the rear .012" segment through. The .010" "goes", and the .012" is a "no-go". Does that make sense, or should I give it another try? Dale ----- Dale W. Avery KC7MM & Ms Daisy '73-SIII-88" "No matter where you go, there you are." ------------------------------------ From: "Rick Larson" Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 13:39:55 -0800 Subject: Re: On Board Air I believe Ready Air starts with a York compressor. They then machine (or replace) the head to provide greater air volume. My understanding, without really knowing the details, is that their modifications to the York unit limit its rpm range. Obviously, a un-modified York has no problems running across engine RPM ranges as it was designed as an auto air conditioning compressor. I would be interested in understanding all the tradeoff's involved. I know a couple people who run straight Yorks with no problems. (Airtools too.) I suspect the trade off is at what RPM the compressor puts out max volume. If one wants Ready Air volume out of the York Compressor they may need to run at a higher RPM? A hand throttle might be nice. I'm going to have Greg at SG make me some brackets. (Maybe next week if I can find some time to think about what I want. I'll probably pick up a new York.) They will than be available through him. If I can't get to it Monday, it will probably be 6 months...... -Rick n Feb 1, 2:23pm, Jeremy John Bartlett wrote: > Subject: Re: On Board Air > Rick Larson wrote: > > > > To: Doug M and any one else interested in real on-board air: > > > > A very good little web site on this guys Jeep. > > Check out the $150 on board, engine driven, air system > > he put together. A friend knows I'm interesting in > > putting a system togther for the D90 and forwarded this > > to me from the off-road list. > > > > http://www.ftn.net/~jon/jeep > > Interesting piece of work. The fellow seems to have the compressor > set to automatically engage if psi goes below 95 (maybe I missed > something). This interested me because Ready Air recommends their > compressor only be run/engaged at idle (800-1000 rpm). > You're doubltess familiar with Spot's Ready Air set up. > I'm starting in on installing a Ready Air unit myself. > Looks comparable, although the cost is significantly higher (new parts). > However, there's a trade off in that Ready Air has brackets fashioned for > the D90 (with or without air conditioning). > > For anyone interested the contact is: > > Therold Industries > 500 E 7th St. Holtvilee, CA 92250 > tel. 619-356-4515 > > cost runs close to $800. > > As I recall the fellow to talk to is Harold (?) last name?? > > cheers, > > Jeremy >-- End of excerpt from Jeremy John Bartlett ------------------------------------ From: Jeremy John Bartlett Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 14:23:55 -0800 Subject: Re: On Board Air Rick Larson wrote: > > To: Doug M and any one else interested in real on-board air: > > A very good little web site on this guys Jeep. > Check out the $150 on board, engine driven, air system > he put together. A friend knows I'm interesting in > putting a system togther for the D90 and forwarded this > to me from the off-road list. > > http://www.ftn.net/~jon/jeep Interesting piece of work. The fellow seems to have the compressor set to automatically engage if psi goes below 95 (maybe I missed something). This interested me because Ready Air recommends their compressor only be run/engaged at idle (800-1000 rpm). You're doubltess familiar with Spot's Ready Air set up. I'm starting in on installing a Ready Air unit myself. Looks comparable, although the cost is significantly higher (new parts). However, there's a trade off in that Ready Air has brackets fashioned for the D90 (with or without air conditioning). For anyone interested the contact is: Therold Industries 500 E 7th St. Holtvilee, CA 92250 tel. 619-356-4515 cost runs close to $800. As I recall the fellow to talk to is Harold (?) last name?? cheers, Jeremy ------------------------------------ From: tbwill Date: Sat, 1 Feb 97 17:57:27 -0800 Subject: Range Rover Purchase Thanks to all of you who responded to my request last week concerning the purchase of a used Range Rover. After looking at the vehicle again today in better light, it was apparent that it had seen some hard use. Most of the interior trim had problems such as cracks or broken pieces. The exterior looked ok although it appeared no one ever bothered waxing the roof. The vehicle was parked in a different location and had a definite list to the right side, so it looks like it was due for new springs. It did run ok, but it just had that appearance of having hard use. So for now, I'll keep my driving my Disco and see what happens. Thanks again for all the responses, I've saved all the information for future use. Tom Williams Fresno, CA tbwill@interserv.com ------------------------------------ From: eric johnson Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 20:29:00 -0800 Subject: Torque Values Hello all, Anyone know of any torque values for the U-Bolt nuts for the axels? Also are there any values for the nuts that tighten the hub spindle to the axel case? Thanks, Eric ------------------------------------ From: Michael Slade Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 20:40:38 -0800 Subject: Mystery leak All, My 109 is leaking from the front of the engine in a spot I hadn't noticed before today. Normally it sits with it's nose slightly elevated as the driveway is not level. today when I went to open the gate and walked back toward the car I looked underneath to check for any unusual or new leaks. I guess I was looking for trouble. The 109 was parked backwards with the nose downhill overnight and there was a sizeable (read: more than 4 or 5 drops) puddle underneath the front of the engine. I had a tie on and was in no opprotunity to crawl underneath and check it out. Does the 2.25 leak differently depending on how it's parked? Is there a front main seal that can go bad (sorry I'm not so knowledgable about engine construction)? It's just got me thinking.... Later, Michael ------------------------------------ From: "Kevin P. Kelly" Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 20:59:39 -0800 Subject: Dealer Service >>I recommend RAB. They are very good at giving appointments. Good service >>also. No attitude like those damn SJLR people. >>Also their head technician took second place in all LR tech. in US and is going >>to England for recognition. >Whoa! This wasn't my experience at all. They needed to replace my >windshield washer pump under warranty (the PO had replaced it four >months earlier). I could not do the install myself, as this would void >the warranty. I have found over the years that the dealers treat people differently depending on what they drive and how much they spend at the dealership. It seems like a guy that buys a new Range Rover every two years and has all his maintenance done at the dealer always gets top priority when a poor kid with a '89 or '90 Range Rover (it seems funny putting "poor kid" and "Range Rover" in the same sentance) that does his own maintenance is treated just a little better than a homelwss guy that wanders on to the dealers lot (but still better than a 2002 owner at a BMW dealership). I have had good luck with the parts dept. of R.A.B. I was dating a girl in San Rafael a couple years ago and I was pleasantly surprised when one of the parts guys mailed me a couple plastic parts for free with a note that said "sorry we did not have them in stock when you came by". Kevin Kelly ------------------------------------ From: Benjamin Allan Smith (Pencom) Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 21:17:48 -0800 Subject: Large Emails and/or binaries Before anyone complains, I just notices a 660k email that was sent to the list (it was either an encoded enclosure or photo). Since many subscribers of this list are on slow links, I killed that message out of sendmail's queue so only some of the realtime people should have gotten it. (how many I don't know). Digest people should not get that message. In the future please refrain from posting photos or really long enclosures to the list. (by long I mean more than 50kbytes). Ben ------------------------------------ From: Jeremy John Bartlett Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 22:35:46 -0800 Subject: Re: Mystery leak Michael Slade wrote: > snip > The 109 was parked backwards with the nose downhill Exactly... check the oil type. If it's 90w its the classic leak out of the transmission. The SIIA transmission design of the primary input shaft and seal is such that if parked facing downhill oil will seap past the seal into the bellhousing and out. The shaft has a spiral groove in it that "forces" oil back into the transmission under load, and if the vehicle is parked tail downhill the oil doesn't reach this point under stationary conditions. ... but park it facing downhill on a steep enough grade and presto voila. If it's engine oil it could be a number of things (front crank seal... etc.), but I'll bet its transmission oil due to the downhill orientation. cheers, Jeremy ------------------------------------ From: john hess Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 21:58:52 -0700 Subject: disco for sale, hi miles, low price For ben and others, from the sac bee: Land Rover '94 discovery, black, 50K, loaded, $20,000, Great Shape! 916 351 9809 also, rangie '91 county, loaded exc cond $16,999 (209)838 8076 rangie, '88 clean high miles $10,500 916 983 3722 rangie '88, loaded, exc cond $10,988 916 966 2743 jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1984 Mazda GLC "Mazda box" dormobile homepage: 1960 swb pu "Stubby" (actually Katherine's) http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html ------------------------------------ From: BajaRover@aol.com Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 23:32:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: MiniDigest part 1/1 for mendo_recce: 2/1/1997 ------------------------------------ From: john hess Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 22:23:10 -0700 Subject: Re: Large Emails and/or binaries > Before anyone complains, I just notices a 660k email that was >sent to the list (it was either an encoded enclosure or photo). Since many >subscribers of this list are on slow links, I killed that message out of >sendmail's queue so only some of the realtime people should have gotten it. >(how many I don't know). Digest people should not get that message. > > In the future please refrain from posting photos or really long >enclosures to the list. (by long I mean more than 50kbytes). > >Ben AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH, I got your email BEFORE the dreaded huge stupid enclosure. Thanks for doing your best. jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1984 Mazda GLC "Mazda box" dormobile homepage: 1960 swb pu "Stubby" (actually Katherine's) http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html ------------------------------------ From: john hess Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 22:14:01 -0700 Subject: new question Ok, this is folks in addition to Bob Bernard, Stubby (the 88 PU) runs and drives great. However, at high rpms (don't know how high, cuz I don't have a tac) the transfer case know vibrates and makes enough noise to be a speed limiter 54 mph is about max before the noise kicks in (no OD). I had a friend in stubby a while ago and he un- intentionally had his foot on the lever; like that, I was cruising at 60 and had no problems and no noise. What should I do? Anything? Adjust the nut on the transfer case lever? Does this mean anything about the tranny or transfer case? cheers, PS Bob, thanks for the past responses and thanks for stubby, he's cool. jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1984 Mazda GLC "Mazda box" dormobile homepage: 1960 swb pu "Stubby" (actually Katherine's) http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html ------------------------------------ From: davery@on-ramp.ior.com (Dale W. Avery) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 97 22:31:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Dealer Service >I have had good luck with the parts dept. of R.A.B. I was dating a girl >in San Rafael a couple years ago and I was pleasantly surprised when one >of the parts guys mailed me a couple plastic parts for free with a note >that said "sorry we did not have them in stock when you came by". > >Kevin Kelly > So what's the connection between the girl and the plastic parts??? ;-) Is this perchance why you are no longer dating her?? ----- Dale W. Avery KC7MM & Ms Daisy '73-SIII-88" "No matter where you go, there you are." ------------------------------------ From: Michael Slade Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 22:49:32 -0800 Subject: Re: Mystery leak >Michael Slade wrote: >> snip >> The 109 was parked backwards with the nose downhill > >Exactly... check the oil type. If it's 90w its the classic >leak out of the transmission. The SIIA transmission design... Jeremy, I appreciate your explanation, and I'll remember it for when I put back the original IIA transmission later this summer. However, I have a SIII tranny in there now (up for grabs later this spring BTW) which still leaves me scratching my head. I haven't checked what kind of oil it was, as it's all washed down the drain (it's raining here today). Thanks, and I'll give you one more try. ;) Michael ------------------------------------ From: paarch@ix.netcom.com (Paul Archibald) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 23:04:39 -0800 Subject: Re: go/no-go fealer gauge?? Sounds like I need to pick one up. I always used two gauges, this would be faster and more accurate Paul >Paul, sorry for taking so long to get back to you on this. A go-no go guage >is very similar to the set of blade guages you are probably using now. >Here's the difference; the .010" guage is made from .012" guage stock that >has had the first ~1/2" of the blade machined down to .010". In use, the >valve clearance is right when you can easily slip in the .010" front of the >blade, but cannot slip the rear .012" segment through. The .010" "goes", >and the .012" is a "no-go". Does that make sense, or should I give it >another try? Paul Archibald Paarch@ix.netcom.com (510)353-1320 or wk. (408)487-1336 '58 88" RHD 2-litre ....slowly, but surely "87 Range-Rover-160,000 miles-"going strong" (Squeak) Fly yellow '92 Ducati 750SS ------------------------------------ End of Digest