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From: KKelly6788@aol.com
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 11:40:24 -0400
Subject: New Radio in the Range Rover


The OEM Clarion in my RR just died so I am putting in a new radio.

1. Does anyone have a wiring diagram for the '89 RR?

2. Has any one done this?  Any tips?

Kevin Kelly


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From: brywhite@quagmire.corp.sgi.com (Bryan White)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 09:12:03 -0700
Subject: Re: New Radio in the Range Rover


Kevin,

I have tips....

     Do you already own the radio which you are planning to install?  If
not, you may be better off having the radio you purchase installed by a
"car stereo" shop <for free>.  And... I would expect the car stereo company
to run NEW wire for the unit. (the existing range rover stereo wiring is
horrible and will give the sound system a muddy or "low range" sound.
The better the wiring, the better the sound quality.  Buying a NEW deck and
having it installed by professionals <for free> is the BEST way to kill
two birds with one stone.

      If your old deck is a Clarion, then I would presume your Range Rover
is a model year 87 ---> 89.  I believe they switched to Pioneer in 90.

If your Rover is above 91 then odds are you have ADS speakers.  Which are
in my oppinion (and many others) the FINEST car speakers ever made.  These
speakers are "limited" by the Rovers cheap (18 gague) speaker wire and any
investment in thicker gague wiring would improve sound quality ten fold.

The stock stereo system in a Range rover has 2 10watt Pioneer amplifiers
for the front/rear speakers (amps located in rear of truck where CD changer
or your jack should be)  These amps have CRAZY wiring.  I estimate at least
8 wires for each amplifier (for what, I don't know).  Off the shelf decks,
don't have the same wiring configuration to be compatible with these amps
further complicate the installation since the AMP wires cross over to
the head unit / deck at the wiring harness giving you the appearance of
having 6 wires (from the Off the shelf stereo) which attach to about 16
or more wires in the stock Range Rover wiring harness.

Just one more reason to "rewire" and have the stereo guys do it.


 If you already own the head unit, you're in for some fun since the colorings
used by Land Rover don't usually match those used by Stereo manufacturers.

I'm not sure if an aftermarket wiring harness is available so it will be
splice and dice til you get things right.





> The OEM Clarion in my RR just died so I am putting in a new radio.
>
> 1. Does anyone have a wiring diagram for the '89 RR?
>
> 2. Has any one done this?  Any tips?
>
> Kevin Kelly

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From: parch@smmff.com (Paul Archibald)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 09:13:55 -0700
Subject: floor-board rust


Last night I finally took out the front rubber mats to access the rust
damage to the floor that We noticed when I bought the Range Rover. To my
dismay, I fount that the rust is far worse than surface. As I scraped with
my trusty gasket scraper, the rust came up in giant flakes. :^(
It looks like what is left of the floor is salvagable, but I think I am
going to need to put in a  couple of new floor panels. Does anyone else
have any experience with doing this? The floor appears to be made up of
three or so seperate panels welded and rivited together, almost as if the
rust is common and they (Land-Rover) make the floor in panels to simplify
the rust-replacement!

NOTE! you all might want to have a look at your floor-boards before they
get this bad and nip the rust in the bud. I remember a thread about water
leaks six months ago, but don't remember the fix. When I had evrything out,
I noticed a open hole to the right of the stearing collumn. This is
probably the entrance for the water, and I need to plug it up, but I don't
rember where else the RR's leak. Any ideas?

        Paul

Paul Archibald
Parch@smmff.com
(510)353-1320 or wk. (408)487-1336
'58 88" RHD 2-litre
"87 Range-Rover-159,000 miles-going strong (Squeak)  




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From: Rob Dennis <73363.427@compuserve.com>
Date: 27 Aug 96 14:33:18 EDT
Subject: CD Changer in the Range Rover


Kevin,
    These are for the 1990RR, I think that they might be the same for the 89. If
not I might be able to locate the number for the tech at Clarion that gave me
the Clarion info.  I also have the schematic for the 1990 model if any of this
stuff seems to match your system. Let me know and I can mail/fax you a copy
    I had replaced the non CD model radio with an Alpine CD unit. I cut the
wires between the radio and the plug and then attached the radio to the original
plug. It made it easy to remove and install. Unfortunately, someone stole that
unit and the half of the plug that was attached to it. That plug is UNAVAILABLE
anywhere. Not only that but it necessitated me decifering all the color codes
for both sides of the harness.
    I hope this is of some use
    

    Function    Clarion (RTC 7604)    LR Harness (1990RR)
 ============   ==================    ===================
  +12v (Ign)        Blue                   White/Orange
  +12v (Bat)        Red                    Purple/White
 Illumination       Yellow                 Red/Black
   Ground           Black                  Black
   Amp/Pwr Ant      Blue/White             *
   LF+              White                  Black/Pink
   LF-              Orange/Blue            Black/Red
   RF+              Gray                   Black/White
   RF-              Orange/Black           Black/Brown
   LR+              White/Red              Black/Yellow
   LR-              Orange                 Black/Orange
   RR+              Gray/Red               Black/Green
   RR-              Gray/Green             Black/Blue

 * This cable has its own plug, but I don't think it is used. The antenna
amplifier seems to be constantly powered from fuse B1, rather than switched with
the radio power. 

  
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    | _ _ ____|____ _ _ |       Rob Dennis
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   \____===_=====_===____/      Atlanta, GA USA
   |oo   |(_)###(_)|   oo|      (404) 875-4537
   |     |   ###   |     |      
   |     | ####### |     |      1972 SerIII 88
   |_____|_#######_|_____|      1990 RangeRover
  [_______________________]     1996 Discovery
     EEEI           EEEI
     EEEI           EEEI


>> The OEM Clarion on my Rage Rover has died and I just bought a Sony CD
changer.  When I pulled the Clarion out of the dash (with the U shaped
removal tools) all a saw was a thick bundle of wires (total of 13, including
a blue/white wire that ends at a empty plug behind the radio).

1. Does anyone have a wiring diagram for a '89 Range Rover? (the shop manual
only has one for the '91 Range Rover)

2. Has anyone replaced the OEM radio in a Range Rover?  Any tips?

3. Has anyone moved the jack handles from the right side of the RR to the
left side behind the rigid spare tire cover (like Land Rover did on newer 
RR's) to make room for a CD changer? <<


Send By: Rob Dennis 73363.427@Compuserve.com
 On 27-Aug-1996



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From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 16:11:41 -0700
Subject: Not LR: Startling Sighting!


All,

I was driving south from Willits, California, on U.S. Highway 101, this
afternoon.  In a curving section (giving me little warning) there suddenly
appeared, heading north, a civilian truck and trailer of some sort, hauling
two military vehicles, both of which looked brand new.  Both appeared to
have U.S. military markings on solid-colored olive-drab paint.  One was a
Hum-Vee and the other a big Unimog, dopplekabin style.  

Before I could even begin to digest this startling apparition, another load
suddenly appeared, followed by yet another.  The second load had another Mog
and some interesting-looking smaller vehicle which was unidentifiable by me.
The third had yet another Mog and another Hum-Vee.  At least the last Mog
had a full rollcage over the entire cab.

All the drayage was civilian; all the vehicles were likewise
military-looking, all looking brand new.  What the hell?  My glimpse of
these was so brief that I was most frustrated.  I came close to turning
around and chasing them but was in a county car, working, with not enough
time.  Still, if I'd had a camera with me, I might have done it anyway.

Any ideas what this remarkable collection may have been about?  Is the U.S.
military buying Mogs?  Why on civilian conveyances?  Why headed north on
101?  Too wierd!

Puzzled and flustered,

Granville Pool
Redwood Valley, CA USA
'73 Series III 88" (the Snark)



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From: "Nick C. Baggarly" <nick@ablecom.net>
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 17:15:47 -0600
Subject: Re: New Radio in the Range Rover


At 11:40 AM 8/27/96 -0400, you wrote:
>The OEM Clarion in my RR just died so I am putting in a new radio.
>
>1. Does anyone have a wiring diagram for the '89 RR?
>
>2. Has any one done this?  Any tips?

Kevin,

My neighbor (Roy) manages Traffic Jams, a stereo installer in Santa Cruz.
They're a pretty posh premium place but took really good care of me
when I had a Clarion installed in the '89 RR two weeks ago. The days
when I found stereo installation fun and challenging are gone. This
time I just wanted someone else to do it. They mentioned that it took
a while to figure out the wiring. I'll ask Roy to see if they have it
in their records.

A couple points to keep in mind when replacing your stereo:

1. The stereo positioning in the RR is different than in most cars.
   Roy originall put an Eclipse unit in but we had to change it out
   for a Clarion because the dot-matrix display couldn't be seen.
   Get a good display. You'll probably have to go LCD. I bought the
   best one and it's still harder to see than the oem stereo.

2. If you're willing to do some cutting, a six disk changer fits most 
   excellently underneath the drivers seat.

3. Roy made some nifty brackets which are used to mount tweeters angled
   in the front upper speaker grills. In the bottom of these doors he 
   retro-fitted good quality speakers of the same size, using the existing
   grills. In the rear, he also replaced the speakers with the same
   size. They provide rear fill and not much more. One day we'll add
   an amp and a 10" woofer in a custom box that sits above the spare
   tire.

Nick Baggarly
Working from Clagary, Canada anxious for Portland.



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From: Chris_Browne@US014-BOSTON-MINET.CCMAIL.CompuServe.COM
Date: 27 Aug 96 19:24:07 EDT
Subject: Re: floor-board rust


     
     Paul,
     Don't forget to check the A/C condensate line, mine became 
     blocked at 20K soaking the carpets in the process, a dehumidifier 
     sucked up the water, while the dealership solved the blockage 
     (for free!)
     regards
     chris Browne
     95 Disco



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From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us>
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 16:52:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Not LR: Startling Sighting!


Hi Puzzled (and Flustered, too),

Don't know about the Mog question (although the US Military does buy
German for use in Germany, maybe elsewhere too?  I expect that the
military is constantly evaluating equipment from myriad and unusual
sources.  Maybe next time you'll see some of those Land Rover Sharks that
were rumored to be in the hands of the Army. 

The drayage question is one of responding (at least in part) to the
present political truth, which holds that the private sector can do
anything the public sector can do, better and cheaper.  When it comes to
being the low bidder to haul equipment from point A to point B, perhaps
it is true.  I see a lot of military contract haulage on I-80 and I-5. 

Rgds,

Walt          * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 
              * Walter C. Swain         | wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us       *
              * Davis Community Network | 1969 LR Dormobile- "Bertha"   *
              * Davis, California       | 1988 Range Rover- "Lady Jane" *
              * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *


On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, Granville Pool wrote:

> All,
> 
> I was driving south from Willits, California, on U.S. Highway 101, this
> afternoon.  In a curving section (giving me little warning) there suddenly
> appeared, heading north, a civilian truck and trailer of some sort, hauling
> two military vehicles, both of which looked brand new.  Both appeared to
> have U.S. military markings on solid-colored olive-drab paint.  One was a
> Hum-Vee and the other a big Unimog, dopplekabin style.  
> 
> Before I could even begin to digest this startling apparition, another load
> suddenly appeared, followed by yet another.  The second load had another Mog
> and some interesting-looking smaller vehicle which was unidentifiable by me.
> The third had yet another Mog and another Hum-Vee.  At least the last Mog
> had a full rollcage over the entire cab.
> 
> All the drayage was civilian; all the vehicles were likewise
> military-looking, all looking brand new.  What the hell?  My glimpse of
> these was so brief that I was most frustrated.  I came close to turning
> around and chasing them but was in a county car, working, with not enough
> time.  Still, if I'd had a camera with me, I might have done it anyway.
> 
> Any ideas what this remarkable collection may have been about?  Is the U.S.
> military buying Mogs?  Why on civilian conveyances?  Why headed north on
> 101?  Too wierd!
> 
> Puzzled and flustered,
> 
> Granville Pool
> Redwood Valley, CA USA
> '73 Series III 88" (the Snark)



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From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us>
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 16:58:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: New Radio in the Range Rover



Hi All,

I've been following this radio discussion with considerable interest, 
since I too have a dead radio in my 88.  Maybe we should go for a bulk 
purchase.  Anybody else out there in need?  "A gross of Clarions to go, 
please."

But before I invest in a radio, I need to find out why my battery goes 
dead on a sporadic basis when the vehicle is left for a while.  It's in 
the shop today, so maybe they've got it resolved.

Rgds,

Walt          * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 
              * Walter C. Swain         | wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us       *
              * Davis Community Network | 1969 LR Dormobile- "Bertha"   *
              * Davis, California       | 1988 Range Rover- "Lady Jane" *
              * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, Nick C. Baggarly wrote:

> At 11:40 AM 8/27/96 -0400, you wrote:
> >The OEM Clarion in my RR just died so I am putting in a new radio.
> >
> >1. Does anyone have a wiring diagram for the '89 RR?
> >
> >2. Has any one done this?  Any tips?
> 
> Kevin,
> 
> My neighbor (Roy) manages Traffic Jams, a stereo installer in Santa Cruz.
> They're a pretty posh premium place but took really good care of me
> when I had a Clarion installed in the '89 RR two weeks ago. The days
> when I found stereo installation fun and challenging are gone. This
> time I just wanted someone else to do it. They mentioned that it took
> a while to figure out the wiring. I'll ask Roy to see if they have it
> in their records.
> 
> A couple points to keep in mind when replacing your stereo:
> 
> 1. The stereo positioning in the RR is different than in most cars.
>    Roy originall put an Eclipse unit in but we had to change it out
>    for a Clarion because the dot-matrix display couldn't be seen.
>    Get a good display. You'll probably have to go LCD. I bought the
>    best one and it's still harder to see than the oem stereo.
> 
> 2. If you're willing to do some cutting, a six disk changer fits most 
>    excellently underneath the drivers seat.
> 
> 3. Roy made some nifty brackets which are used to mount tweeters angled
>    in the front upper speaker grills. In the bottom of these doors he 
>    retro-fitted good quality speakers of the same size, using the existing
>    grills. In the rear, he also replaced the speakers with the same
>    size. They provide rear fill and not much more. One day we'll add
>    an amp and a 10" woofer in a custom box that sits above the spare
>    tire.
> 
> Nick Baggarly
> Working from Clagary, Canada anxious for Portland.



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From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 17:20:50 -0700
Subject: Re: Not LR: Startling Sighting!


        Perhaps it was that pesky California Militia.  Or if you're a
militia member, then the idea wold be that they were U.N. military vehicles
coming in to take us over a la America-with-a-k.  

Happy Delusioning,
C

At 04:11 PM 8/27/96 -0700, you wrote:
>All,
>
>I was driving south from Willits, California, on U.S. Highway 101, this
>afternoon.  In a curving section (giving me little warning) there suddenly
>appeared, heading north, a civilian truck and trailer of some sort, hauling
>two military vehicles, both of which looked brand new.  Both appeared to
>have U.S. military markings on solid-colored olive-drab paint.  One was a
>Hum-Vee and the other a big Unimog, dopplekabin style.  
>
>Before I could even begin to digest this startling apparition, another load
>suddenly appeared, followed by yet another.  The second load had another Mog
>and some interesting-looking smaller vehicle which was unidentifiable by me.
>The third had yet another Mog and another Hum-Vee.  At least the last Mog
>had a full rollcage over the entire cab.
>
>All the drayage was civilian; all the vehicles were likewise
>military-looking, all looking brand new.  What the hell?  My glimpse of
>these was so brief that I was most frustrated.  I came close to turning
>around and chasing them but was in a county car, working, with not enough
>time.  Still, if I'd had a camera with me, I might have done it anyway.
>
>Any ideas what this remarkable collection may have been about?  Is the U.S.
>military buying Mogs?  Why on civilian conveyances?  Why headed north on
>101?  Too wierd!
>
>Puzzled and flustered,
>
>Granville Pool
>Redwood Valley, CA USA
>'73 Series III 88" (the Snark)
>
>



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From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 18:36:50 -0700
Subject: Speaking of B & No...


> Try Barnes & Noble.  The Oakland (Jack London Square) had a copy the last 

Btw, I was speaking with a guy at the Barnes & Noble in Daly City (280 
Metro Center aka The Dump, if you're a native) and he said they almost 
always have extra copies of LRW left over; if it's not on the stand ask -- 
they probably have some in the back.  So, if you want your monthly fix...  

P.S., it came up because I was trying to get them to carry LRO as well, 
saying they'd sell out of that as well.  (except they don't sell out of 
LRW.)

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From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:31:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: HumVee and Unimog heading north


To be honest, I haven't the foggiest - but since they were heading NORTH,
maybe the All British Field Meet in Portland OR this weekend  is going to
feature a "Dunk Tank" and those 2 vehicles are among the invited 'guests'!

Best wishes,
David



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