From: mendo_recce@ridgecrest.ca.us Subject: Digest for mendo_recce: 8/17/1996 Errors-To: owner-mendo_recce@ridgecrest.ca.us Reply-To: mendo_recce@ridgecrest.ca.us Precedence: bulk This is the digest for the mendo_recce mailling list ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------ From: "Franklin H. Yap" Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 00:06:24 -0700 Subject: Re: Europarts experience, tune up items jory bell wrote: > > I am sorry to hear that people are still ordering from Europarts after > their original deceptive (and poorly constructed) SPAM/junk mail to the > rover mailing lists (in which someone affiliated with Europarts posed as a > random satisfied customer and praised their awesome rates, service, etc...) Oh yeah, who can forget their > shoddily executed web pages which blithely stole (copyrighted) graphics and > copy from other land rover sites... I remember some of the thread .. I thought they were simply naive in their ways and they did apologize and and make restitution (?) regarding the copyright violation. > > Hearing about people buying from them reinforces marketers instincts that > breaking all the rules (netiquette among them will ultimately gain them > business instead of maing them the pariahs (sp?) they deserve to become. > The good thing about the list is it gives information - people can decide based on first hand information. Mistakes do happen. Sometimes you have to give people/businesses a chance. I just wish it wasn't with my money. Oh well! FHY ------------------------------------ From: "Franklin H. Yap" Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 00:19:29 -0700 Subject: Re: Strike one ( a lesson in insurance! - no LR content) Granville Pool wrote: > > Tom said: > > >I once had a minor fender incedence ... > Dang, you had to remind me! I'd plumb forgotten but Melanie (SWMBO) > recently had a similar one. She was at a stop light and casually rolled ... Seems like evryone has one of these insurance stories. I agree with the person who suggested getting an eyewitness even if you do not report the incident to the police. A friend of mine busted her knee in an accident (knee went into the steering wheel) when someone ran a redlight. There was a police report but the report was vague as to who was at fault. As it turned out, the person who hit her did not have any insurance and was trying to make a claim against hers! He claimed that he had the right of way and she had turned against a red light. Luckily she had kept the business card of someone who had witnessed the accident. (He was kind enough to give it to her. Although she was in a daze from the accident, she put it in the car and later found it.) After the witness came forward he dropped the claim. So witnesses can really help! FHY ------------------------------------ From: "Franklin H. Yap" Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 00:31:10 -0700 Subject: Re: Disco back Tom Walsh wrote: > > > >also !!!!!!!!!!! Somebody ( I think the detailers ) drove the vehicle > > >into something ... I > > Spent all morning dealing with the particulars! If I haven't said > this before directly... I wil say it now! I like SJLR they do good > enough work and try to get it right! ..... ect IE: enough with dealer > bashing! Lets fix problems not create them! I think the dealers should at least make sure the people they work with are competent. I was at Cole European one evening waiting to pick up my vehicle when I heard the parts person trying to tell someone how to get the diff unlocked. I almost started to laugh until I had a funny feeling they were talking about my vehicle. Sure enough, someone at the body shop had locked the diff and possibly in low because he claimed that when he started to bring the vehicle back to the dealership he realized it wouldn't go fast enough for the freeway. He claimed someone must have accidentally bounced the shift lever. (You can't accidentally move the shift lever in my Defender - it doesn't move that easily.) I had harsh words for the dealership and LRNA. The mechanics at Cole European may be OK, but their choice for body shop personnel leaves much to be desired. FHY ------------------------------------ From: Benjamin Allan Smith Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 00:44:50 -0700 Subject: Funny behavior Is anyone else getting two copies of each message? Somehow I am, and I haven't been able to figure out the problem. Ben ------------------------------------ From: "Tom Walsh" Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 02:02:17 +0000 Subject: Re: Funny behavior I may not get two copies to EVERY message, just some! and the delay between them seems pretty large ( 1-3 days ), some kind of cf file loop or something? check the timestamps on em Hey are you back in the Bay area yet? > > Is anyone else getting two copies of each message? Somehow I am, > and I haven't been able to figure out the problem. > > Ben > > ---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------* Fluent Networks "Intelligent Networking Solutions" Tom Walsh, Founder, VP Technology/Engineering tomw@netcom.com soon to be tomw@fluentnet.com http://www.fluentnet.com 95 LR Disco "The Light Brigade" #include *---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------* ------------------------------------ From: "barnett childress" Date: Sat, 17 Aug 96 7:24:50 -0400 Subject: Re: Europarts experience, tune up items Jorry states; >I am sorry to hear that people are still ordering from Europarts after >their original deceptive (and poorly constructed) SPAM/junk mail to the >rover mailing lists (in which someone affiliated with Europarts posed as a >random satisfied customer and praised their awesome rates, service, etc...) >Hearing about people buying from them reinforces marketers instincts that >breaking all the rules (netiquette among them will ultimately gain them >business instead of maing them the pariahs (sp?) they deserve to become. When I placed my order for seats with Europarts, it was "before" the list spamer was exposed as not really a customer. Cheers, Barnett ------------- Original Text From: daemon@ridgecrest.ca.us, on 8/16/96 5:28 PM: I am sorry to hear that people are still ordering from Europarts after their original deceptive (and poorly constructed) SPAM/junk mail to the rover mailing lists (in which someone affiliated with Europarts posed as a random satisfied customer and praised their awesome rates, service, etc...) Thy also suggested (in a rather mysterious manner) that they had been in the US rover parts for years without offering any documentation (and noone had heard of them until their junk mailing). Oh yeah, who can forget their shoddily executed web pages which blithely stole (copyrighted) graphics and copy from other land rover sites... Hearing about people buying from them reinforces marketers instincts that breaking all the rules (netiquette among them will ultimately gain them business instead of maing them the pariahs (sp?) they deserve to become. -jory >barnett childress wrote: >> >> Scott, >> I had ordered rear inward facing bench seats from Europarts several months >> ago after Mohammed assured me that he could get "genuine factory LR seats" >> like I specifically asked for. However after several weeks of waiting, > >> I think Mohammed and Europarts are trustworthy but VERY disorganized and >> hard to do business with. But if you're willing to put up with all of that >> he does have some of the lowest prices. > > >I ordered several mats and a rear load protector from Europarts when they >had the April (?) 7% internet order >special. The load protector didn't work because LR changed the design so >it will only work with bench seats, >not the jump seats. (I learned this from someone on the CSO list in Great >Britain who had the same problem.) >Europarts was quite late in getting the order but was always cordial on >the phone and did take it back when I >explained the load protector wouldn't work. Unfortunately I never got the >7% discount despite requesting it >several times (and receiving promises that it would be given - I suppose I >could have complained to my credit >card company but he seems like such a nice person I didn't feel like >bothering with it) and I was also out of >$30+ for the shipping (to me) of the load space protector. > >FHY ------------------------------------ From: Benjamin Allan Smith Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 05:03:12 -0700 Subject: Tires I had an interesting experience this past few days. I was driving Dora from Ridgecrest to the Bay. On the 152 I started to feel a shuddering at highway speeds. It went away if I kept the speed below 40 mph. This botheredme greatly, so I pulled over at the first safe spot (it was dark out). I got out and started looking at U-bolts and kicking the tires. The left front on felt mushy. A large air bubble had formed diagonally across the tread. With a deformed tire, of course things got a little screwy. But the pattern of this air bubble is interesting: | | | DD | /DD | //D' | ///| | /// | | /// | | /// | | /// | | /// | |/// | .O// | OO/ | OO | | | Almost like one or more of the strings on the radial died. I wonder if I caught it in the process of throwing the tread. The tyre was first mounted a year ago and practically new. It had at most 10,000 miles on it. (But I got it free from Charlie Haig at RN, so I can't complain). I'm just curious about the failure pattern. Ben ------------------------------------ From: bobnsueb@maxinet.com (Bob and Sue Bernard) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 06:57:17 -0700 Subject: Re: Changing lock barrels >Granny said: >Ah, yes, but that doesn't sound like it came from an anti-burst lock which, >of course, mine are. Probably will work for TeriAnn's though. > >Funny thing about mine is that I've done it before. My first '70 IIA, with >antiburst locks, had had new locks and so each door had a different key. A >bloody nuisance! So I took them all apart and re-keyed them. They were >wafer-tumbler type and had a limited variety of different tumbler lengths. >Turned out that I could re-arrange the wafers in two to match the one and >thus keyed them all the same. > >But I'm danged if I can remember how I got the cylinders out! My Series III >locks may be different from those on that late IIA but I don't think so. > >Thanks, > > >Gran > Well I went out and looked at an antiburst lock and sure enough, you can't see the rear end of the tumbler. This lock may be why the Haynes says the locks are not serviceable and must be replaced. Unless Britpac or Rovers Naught has the trick up their sleeve, The possibility is to drill out 4 rivets to seperate the lock shells then see what holds the tumbler in. Of course there will be some springs and detents and miscellaneous stuff bouncing around in there once you open it. I have a set of these antiburst locks (3) that are keyed alike from a 70 2A. Bob ------------------------------------ From: bobnsueb@maxinet.com (Bob and Sue Bernard) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 07:12:05 -0700 Subject: Re: Tires >Ben said: > I got out and started looking at U-bolts and kicking the tires. >The left front on felt mushy. A large air bubble had formed diagonally across >the tread. With a deformed tire, of course things got a little screwy. >But the pattern of this air bubble is interesting: > > I've had radials do this broken belt trick. Before it's obvious, the pulling to one side is real aggravating.It can act like front end alignment is out. When it gets bad enough to bounce it's about to blow. That was one of the reasons the tire companies didn't want radials rotated on the car from one side to the other. They didn't want the rotation reversed because the belts had set in a certain direction and turning opposite could do this. Another thing that can do it is running on low pressure on the highway. The tire gets too hot and bad things happen. Bob B ------------------------------------ From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 08:11:05 -0700 Subject: Re: Changing lock barrels Bob, With all your parts do you have a windscreen frome that will never see use again? I just had both my front windscreens replaced with new ones with electric heating elements (going plush). The auto glass place lost one of the little screws that hold the inside centre molding on, and I was already missing one. I'm looking for two good condition screws with the correct patenia so they will blend in properly and not continually draw the eye. The ones I can find are bright and shiny with a phillips round head. You wouldn't just happen to have two original little screws that hold the centre molding on that I could have do you? Thanks TeriAnn twakeman@scruznet.com ------------------------------------ From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 08:14:00 -0700 Subject: Oops Sorry gang. I was trying to send a message directly to Bob and accidently sent it out to the entire list under a wrong subject heading. Sorrry TeriAnn twakeman@scruznet.com ------------------------------------ From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 08:55:57 -0700 Subject: Re: Badge You wrote: > >Jeremy- >Did you ever finish the Lazy Bugger badges? If so, I never got mine... > >Kelly Minnick Too lazy to read the posts ? :) Just kidding. I finished my end but the production company has been EXTREMELY slow about making them. I've been calling twice a week on average and have their assurances they'll be ready this Monday ("working on them this weekend"). At the rate they're going I wouldn't hold my breath but things do currently seem more promising than of late. I'll be posting (in both senses of the word) as soon as I pick them up. Not to worry cheers, Jeremy P.S. Can anyone recommend a good place to stay in Hawaii :) ? ------------------------------------ From: "Candido Gomez" Date: Sat, 17 Aug 96 15:59:26 UT Subject: RE: Funny behavior Hey Tom, Since I'm new to these procedures, I switched from Digest mode to Real Time and have stopped receiving 2 copies. I hope this helps. Dino 95 Discovery (Tally Ho) ---------- From: Tom Walsh Sent: 16 August, 1996 7:02 PM To: mendo_recce@ridgecrest.ca.us Subject: Re: Funny behavior I may not get two copies to EVERY message, just some! and the delay between them seems pretty large ( 1-3 days ), some kind of cf file loop or something? check the timestamps on em Hey are you back in the Bay area yet? > > Is anyone else getting two copies of each message? Somehow I am, > and I haven't been able to figure out the problem. > > Ben > > ---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------* Fluent Networks "Intelligent Networking Solutions" Tom Walsh, Founder, VP Technology/Engineering tomw@netcom.com soon to be tomw@fluentnet.com http://www.fluentnet.com 95 LR Disco "The Light Brigade" #include *---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------* ------------------------------------ From: "Candido Gomez" Date: Sat, 17 Aug 96 16:02:12 UT Subject: RE: Oops Hi TeriAnn, Not a problem. Someone at work was trying a shortcut on my name and sent it statewide instead of locally. Cheers, Dino 95 Discovery (Tally Ho) ---------- From: TeriAnn Wakeman Sent: 17 August, 1996 8:14 AM To: mendo_recce@ridgecrest.ca.us Subject: Oops Sorry gang. I was trying to send a message directly to Bob and accidently sent it out to the entire list under a wrong subject heading. Sorrry TeriAnn twakeman@scruznet.com ------------------------------------ From: "Candido Gomez" Date: Sat, 17 Aug 96 16:08:20 UT Subject: RE: Funny behavior Hi Ben, Haven't received 2 copies since I switched to Real time mode. Hope this helps. Cheers, Dino ---------- From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sent: 17 August, 1996 12:44 AM To: mendo_recce@ridgecrest.ca.us Subject: Funny behavior Is anyone else getting two copies of each message? Somehow I am, and I haven't been able to figure out the problem. Ben ------------------------------------ From: CplEJ3rdUS@aol.com Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 12:15:51 -0400 Subject: Smog Check II ARISE, YE SONS OF LIBERTY Your Freedoms are under attack by a group of self- serving bureaucrats with enviro-nazi sympathyzer encouragement. If this plan is implemented, most pre-1980 vehicles will fail smog, unable to be registered, siezed and destroyed. THIS COULD MEAN YOUR Sll and llA's Pre '65 vehicles are safe now, BUT FOR HOW LONG? If your precious is deemed a GROSS POLLUTER there is NO LIMIT on how much you shall be required to spend to bring it within C.A.R.B. specs. THIS PLAN WILL SPREAD OUTSIDE OF CALIFORNIA IF NOT REPEALED!! I may have a solution to passing the immediate test, however. My '67 Alfa with dual webers failed the test and was deemed a Gross Polluter. Results as follows. 2500 rpm max allow measured result HC ppm 0600 0192 pass CO % 4.5 2.58 " IDLE rpm HC ppm 0700 1025 failed CO % 5.50 3.87 pass My mechanic suggested I install a MSD-6A (available at speed shops). This little jewel puts out about 50k volts and instead of one spark, puts out 6 in ultra-quick succession. A major improvement over the stock ignition system, which puts out @ 15k volts. Cost is $118 from Summit Racing mail order, $138 at Vic Hubbard, $154 at Speed Merchant. Super Shops carry the Mallory units, but after various inquiries, I determined that the MSD units are the superior box. Jacobs also makes a system but have had no direct dealing. He installed it and I had an appointment with the state run testing facility the following day. (must have been some miracle of modern scheduling) Results with the MSD-6A 2500 idle max allow measured result HC ppm 0600 161 pass CO % 4.50 1.05 pass Idle rpm max allow measured result HC ppm 0700 445 pass CO % 5.50 4.55 pass The $300 or so invested in the MSD beats the hell out of a $3000 engine rebuild. Thank you MSD!! (I have no stock in the company) SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS Your Obediant Ser'vnt Eric Johnson PRE '65 vehicles are safe BUT FOR HOW LONG? ------------------------------------ From: David Rosenbaum Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 09:58:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Unidentified wrenches At a Seattle second-hand store, I found two double open-ended wrenches, "Made in England" with a trade-mark consisting of a circle with a line through the middle (dividing the circle into upper and lower halves). There is a 'T' in the upper half and a 'W' in the lower half. Each wrench says 'superslim' on the backside. One is noted as a 'B2' and the other a 'B5'. They have a black finish, with some RUST showing (so maybe LR related??) Sizes are stated as follows: 1/2 W 9/16BSF (seems close to 15/16 SAE) 7/16W 1/2 BSF (seems close to 27/32 SAE) 3/8 W 7/16BSF (seems close to 23/32 SAE) 5/16W 3/8 BSF (seems close to 19/32 SAE) Does anybody know who made these? Are my estimates of the sizes correct? I assume that 'W' stands for Whitworth, what is 'BSF'? Best wishes, David Rosenbaum '94 NAS D90, now with two 'superslim' wrenches in the passenger seat box. ------------------------------------ From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 10:18:22 -0700 Subject: Grim news from Portland! Those of you who are Portland Leak regulars will certainly want to know about this sad happening. Mike Slade tells me: >Apparently I'm not on the LRO list (AGAIN!), and I'll have to subscribe or >re-subscribe daily. ARGH! > >Also, I'm not on Ben's list either. :( :( :( > >I'll have to remind him to put me back on again (AGAIN). :( This sucks. > >Oh, speaking of bad news, Doug Shipman was in a bicycle accident Thursday >night. He was cut off by a driver and slammed into the passenger side >window shattering it with his face. He's cut up really bad, missing a >chunk from the bridge of his nose and he bit off the tip of his tongue. >They did a CAT scan which showed everything pretty normal, but who knows >with head injuries. > >He had the breathing tube removed yesterday and they're taking him out of >ICU today and putting him in an observation room. > >Sad thing is, I had spoken to him right before he left for home on his >bike. He had wanted one of the prints from our 4th of July run and had >actually agreed to pay me some big bucks for one matted and framed. I was >taking it over yesterday morning to deliver it when I found out from one of >his neighbors in his shop area that he had been in an accident. > >I delivered the print to his house and gave it to his son. I said no >charge, but make sure he gets better. We'll see if it helps. > >So, if you would re-post this to the Mendo list, people can send cards or >whatever to his home address which is: > >Doug and Jean Shipman >945 NE 188th >Portland, OR >97230 > >I'll try to get the latest today and send updates to you. I'm not sure >there's enough interest on the list to give them a daily update, but since >you know him I thought you'd like to hear. > >TTYL, and sorry to put a sour start to your day. :( > > >Michael Slade >'70 109 Station Wagon >Portland, OR >slade@sisna.com > > > > ------------------------------------ From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 10:47:20 -0700 Subject: Re: Changing lock barrels >Bob, > >With all your parts do you have a windscreen frome that will never see use >again? > >I just had both my front windscreens replaced with new ones with electric >heating elements (going plush). The auto glass place lost one of the >little screws that hold the inside centre molding on, and I was already >missing one. > >I'm looking for two good condition screws with the correct patenia so they >will blend in properly and not continually draw the eye. The ones I can >find are bright and shiny with a phillips round head. > >You wouldn't just happen to have two original little screws that hold the >centre molding on that I could have do you? > >Thanks > >TeriAnn TeriAnn, if Bob doesn't, I do. And I'm right on your way to Portland. Granny ------------------------------------ From: jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (john hess) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 10:59:04 -0700 Subject: Re: Smog Check II > IDLE rpm > > HC ppm 0700 1025 > failed > CO % 5.50 > 3.87 pass > > The $300 or so invested in the MSD beats the hell out of a $3000 >engine rebuild. > > Thank you MSD!! (I have no stock in >the company) The formating of the above was off when I got it. However the critical part is that HC emissions were correct by high voltage multiple spark. My experiences, 2 years ago, were a bit different. I gather that the statistics presented reflect new standards. When I was tested (the rover, not me) I had to pass an idle speed test for HC lower than 500 ppm. Idle being defined as an engine speed lower than 1250 rpm. I failed (501 at the referee station). I am worried about the test I will have to take this year (probably Nov) but will be sure that I have the rover unofficially tested first, then go from there. Thanks for the info, cheers, jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us from home via modem Land- -Rover, Sunbeam Tiger and Mazda owner! ------------------------------------ From: "Tom Walsh" Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 10:37:21 +0000 Subject: RE: Funny behavior Both Ben and I are real time. I have never been in digest mode... I think its a configuration issue ( IE: our names are entered twic in a configuration file, more likely an alias is listied in the file, with alieas in it, those secon aliases conatain our names again, possiblibly through a different mail gateway somehow causing a delay, check the age of messages, ben is at the source ( digitally ) so he gets em quick ) Just a thought! I don't get them all only a few.. I bet the ines I don't get bounced or expired. Tomw > Hi Ben, > > Haven't received 2 copies since I switched to Real time mode. > Hope this helps. > > Cheers, > > Dino > > ---------- > From: Benjamin Allan Smith > Sent: 17 August, 1996 12:44 AM > To: mendo_recce@ridgecrest.ca.us > Subject: Funny behavior > > > Is anyone else getting two copies of each message? Somehow I am, > and I haven't been able to figure out the problem. > > Ben > > > ---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------* Fluent Networks "Intelligent Networking Solutions" Tom Walsh, Founder, VP Technology/Engineering tomw@netcom.com soon to be tomw@fluentnet.com http://www.fluentnet.com 95 LR Disco "The Light Brigade" #include *---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------* ------------------------------------ From: "Candido Gomez" Date: Sat, 17 Aug 96 18:11:09 UT Subject: RE: Grim news from Portland! Hi Granville, I shall think of something cheerful to send to Doug. If you took any photos of my green 95 Disco I'm interested in purchasing them from you. Cheers Dino 95 Disco (Tally Ho) (916) 689-6633 Sacramento, CA ---------- From: Granville Pool Sent: 17 August, 1996 10:18 AM To: Left-Coast Rover-Net Subject: Grim news from Portland! Those of you who are Portland Leak regulars will certainly want to know about this sad happening. Mike Slade tells me: >Apparently I'm not on the LRO list (AGAIN!), and I'll have to subscribe or >re-subscribe daily. ARGH! > >Also, I'm not on Ben's list either. :( :( :( > >I'll have to remind him to put me back on again (AGAIN). :( This sucks. > >Oh, speaking of bad news, Doug Shipman was in a bicycle accident Thursday >night. He was cut off by a driver and slammed into the passenger side >window shattering it with his face. He's cut up really bad, missing a >chunk from the bridge of his nose and he bit off the tip of his tongue. >They did a CAT scan which showed everything pretty normal, but who knows >with head injuries. > >He had the breathing tube removed yesterday and they're taking him out of >ICU today and putting him in an observation room. > >Sad thing is, I had spoken to him right before he left for home on his >bike. He had wanted one of the prints from our 4th of July run and had >actually agreed to pay me some big bucks for one matted and framed. I was >taking it over yesterday morning to deliver it when I found out from one of >his neighbors in his shop area that he had been in an accident. > >I delivered the print to his house and gave it to his son. I said no >charge, but make sure he gets better. We'll see if it helps. > >So, if you would re-post this to the Mendo list, people can send cards or >whatever to his home address which is: > >Doug and Jean Shipman >945 NE 188th >Portland, OR >97230 > >I'll try to get the latest today and send updates to you. I'm not sure >there's enough interest on the list to give them a daily update, but since >you know him I thought you'd like to hear. > >TTYL, and sorry to put a sour start to your day. :( > > >Michael Slade >'70 109 Station Wagon >Portland, OR >slade@sisna.com > > > > ------------------------------------ From: "John C. White, III" Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 15:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Clonking Driveline, Cont'd. I took my Disco in for its 30,000 mile service this past Tuesday, and am still without it. You see, when I brought it in I told the LR service rep that I was having a bit of driveline slop, and reminded him of my previous complaint about difficulties shifting into third. He made note of it, and said they'd take a look at it. As it turned out, they took my transmission and transfer case apart and found that the splines on the transmission's main shaft (male) had worn where it inserts into mainshaft cluster gears (female) in the tranfer case. The female splines were so severely worn that the opening had become significantly eliptical. For those of you with a Workshop Manual the transmission part is number 7 in the illustration on page 1 of section 37. The transfer box part is number 8 in the illustration on page 4 in section 41. Luck had it that the LRNA dealer rep was at the dealership this past week to do some training, and told them that this was a known problem caused by a bad design in the transfer case's mainshaft cluster gears and a re-engineered part is available. The old part only fit about half way down the splines of the transmission mainshaft thus causing excessive strain and wear on the two parts. The re-engineered part fits all the way down. On my particular vehicle the parts are in and I should be Land-Roving again by close of business Tuesday. For reasons too dull to go into here, I did a swap of the Enterprise rent-a-car I was driving at the dealership yesterday. While there I asked for a detailed explanation (outlined above) of what was wrong with my rig. The rep took me into the service bay, introduced me to the mechanic working on it who then showed me my eviscerated transmission and transfer case lying on a workbench along with the new parts. The mechanic was quite forthcoming with information, and said that LRNA has had a fair number of driveline slop problems on Discoveries and Defenders. On manual tranmission Discos what happens is what happened to mine. On automatic transmission Discos it seems that the diffentials are the culprit. On Defenders it is also the diffs. Then he said that of the vehicles there were more clonking problems with Defenders than Discoveries. He said he had taken a D90 off road for some hard driving and noticed it as soon as he returned to pavement. The good news appears to be that LRNA is aware of the problems and solutions, if not available now, should be relatively soon. You may want to have a chat with your dealership while it's still on warranty. Cheers! John '95 Discovery (temporarily a red three-bedroom Lincoln Towncar -- a.k.a. "SS Nebraska" -- substituted Friday for a blue Volvo 850) ------------------------------------ From: "John C. White, III" Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 15:25:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: non-dealer Disco Mechanics in SF (was Sucky Service ) Someone on the List has recommended Roverland on Toland (India Basin neighborhood) in the City as being excellent. The guy who owns it is supposed to be a factory-trained LR mechanic. I haven't tried them myself yet, but will once mine goes off warranty. Cheers! John At 08:39 16.08.96 -0800, Jeff Smith wrote: >A bit off the subject, but I was wondering if anyone knows of a reputable >non-dealer Disco Mechanic in San Francisco. > >I would think that very soon, if not already, there would be a crop of new >independant Land Rover mechanics, that is mechanics that specialize in late >model Range Rovers, Defenders and Disco's. There will be alot of Disco's >out there whos warrantees have expired. I know I will be open to a >non-dealer alternative for a mechanic when mine expires. I feel lucky that >I found a good reasonable mechanic to work on our '72 250C mercedes. The >dealer will charge us $100. to open the hood. > >Jeff > >>It's probably less time consuming for a mechanic to replace an assembly than >>take it apart and replace what's really wrong. If he takes time out to do >>the repair, he doesn't get to other vehicles as quickly, and this might make >>for irate customers. Given the number or Rovers that are being sold versus >>the number of trained mechanics available... The same would hold true for >>computer repair. >> >>Cheers! >>John >> >> >>At 02:34 16.08.96 -0700, Nick C. Baggarly wrote: >>> >>>>One thing I don't like about this scenario is that it reminds me of >>>>IBM technical service engineers in the past, they just keep replacing >>>>parts at a whim, and eventually if you replace enough parts the >>>>problem will have gone away. I hate for that to always be the >>>>solution, since then you really don't get service, you almost get a >>>>dis-service in a way...:-/ Does that mean when you pay for the service >>>>rather than having LR foot the bill that you will have to replace the >>>>part, since that will be the solution and you should be happy with >>>>that >>> >>>I feel that there is something really wrong with the way some places do >>>business today. Having a problem where the dealer just throws parts at it >>>is just plain irresponsible service practice. It's the same with the old >>DEC service >>>folks. During a typical service call they would replace 50% of the parts in >>our mainframes. >>>But that was only allowed because 1. DEC was paying for it, and 2. The >>mainframe was >>>owned by an aerospace corp; A customer who would never complain about such >>lazy service >>>policies. I was just a kid then but recall feeling uneasy about the way >>they repaired things. >>>Now I call BS on this every chance I get because, even if it's in your >>favor this time, >>>the bottom line is that they are not intelligently diagnosing and repairing >>your problem >>>which is what you're paying them to do. Why is this tolerated? I suppose >>it's because >>>the customer usually makes out well as they receive newer parts. It can >>also be faster, >>>requires less thought, and seems easier. And perhaps there's a lack of >>training or control >>>from upper management to prevent this practice. Philosophically it's wrong >>and doesn't >>>make for good business. Give 'em hell. >>> >>> >>> _______ >>>'64 IIa /_____/_| | '89 Range Rover | nick@ablecom.net >>>Dormobile |__|_|\_\__ | '66 SIIA 88 (Seymour) | 1-(408) 980-3649 >>> [_~\_|__.-.; | '64 Dormobile | 1308771@skymail.com >>> (0) (0)" | '66 Dormobile (Assembled!!) | Los Gatos, Calif. >>> >>> >>> > > > ------------------------------------ From: bobnsueb@maxinet.com (Bob and Sue Bernard) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 18:47:46 -0700 Subject: Re: missing screws was:Changing lock barrels >Bob, > >I'm looking for two good condition screws with the correct patenia so they >will blend in properly and not continually draw the eye. The ones I can >find are bright and shiny with a phillips round head. > >You wouldn't just happen to have two original little screws that hold the >centre molding on that I could have do you? > >Thanks > >TeriAnn > >twakeman@scruznet.com > > Ok they look good so I'll put 3or 4 in an envelope for monday mail. OOps,I just noticed that I don't have your snail mail address. Soooo,please rsvp with it. Bob ------------------------------------ From: "S. F. Yee" Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 18:59:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Land Rover advertisment Actually it's for BF Goodrich tires...on page 14-15 of the latest Rolling Stone (w/the Fugees on the cover, fyi) is a BIG bright yellow 2-page spread featuring a D-90 hardtop in profile with highlighted Radial All-Terrain T/As. "ROVER HAS A MEAN BITE" reads the headline. "Land Rover that is. Land Rover puts BF Goodrich T/A light truck tires on every Defender 90 they build. Now why do you suppose they'd do something like that? Maybe for the same reasons Chevrolet puts BF Goodrich on its award-winning Tahoe (ed.note: what award is this?)..." (Honda, Isuzu, Chevy trucks are mentioned; other gratuitous praise for the tires follows.) Anyway, nice looking ad. Anybody have ideas about replacement tires for the stock Michelin Xs included on the RR? Are they really $200 @? S.F. ------------------------------------ From: Benjamin Allan Smith Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 20:02:47 -0700 Subject: Re: Funny behavior In message <199608171834.LAA05251@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us>you write: > Both Ben and I are real time. > > I have never been in digest mode... I think its a configuration > issue ( IE: our names are entered twic in a configuration file, more > likely an alias is listied in the file, with alieas in it, those > secon aliases conatain our names again, possiblibly through a > different mail gateway somehow causing a delay, check the age of > messages, ben is at the source ( digitally ) so he gets em quick ) I checked most of these. I am listed once on the list script. The list script is called once and only once for each incoming mendo_recce email. No one else besides Tom and I seem to have this problem. For me it started suddenly (and I had made no changes). Both copies have the exact same time stamps. What I think the mechanism is that somehow when local mail is sent out via the list, it delivers a copy to me and then sends a second copy to it's loopback address (which also gets delivered to me). So I suspect the problem is in the sendmail.cf file (not that I have the power to change that). Ben ------------------------------------ From: "Candido Gomez" Date: Sun, 18 Aug 96 03:03:26 UT Subject: RE: non-dealer Disco Mechanics in SF (was Sucky Service ) HI John, Any good Disco mechanics from the Sacramento area? Cheers, Dino ---------- From: John C. White, III Sent: 17 August, 1996 3:25 PM To: mendo_recce@ridgecrest.ca.us Subject: Re: non-dealer Disco Mechanics in SF (was Sucky Service ) Someone on the List has recommended Roverland on Toland (India Basin neighborhood) in the City as being excellent. The guy who owns it is supposed to be a factory-trained LR mechanic. I haven't tried them myself yet, but will once mine goes off warranty. Cheers! John At 08:39 16.08.96 -0800, Jeff Smith wrote: >A bit off the subject, but I was wondering if anyone knows of a reputable >non-dealer Disco Mechanic in San Francisco. > >I would think that very soon, if not already, there would be a crop of new >independant Land Rover mechanics, that is mechanics that specialize in late >model Range Rovers, Defenders and Disco's. There will be alot of Disco's >out there whos warrantees have expired. I know I will be open to a >non-dealer alternative for a mechanic when mine expires. I feel lucky that >I found a good reasonable mechanic to work on our '72 250C mercedes. The >dealer will charge us $100. to open the hood. > >Jeff > >>It's probably less time consuming for a mechanic to replace an assembly than >>take it apart and replace what's really wrong. If he takes time out to do >>the repair, he doesn't get to other vehicles as quickly, and this might make >>for irate customers. Given the number or Rovers that are being sold versus >>the number of trained mechanics available... The same would hold true for >>computer repair. >> >>Cheers! >>John >> >> >>At 02:34 16.08.96 -0700, Nick C. Baggarly wrote: >>> >>>>One thing I don't like about this scenario is that it reminds me of >>>>IBM technical service engineers in the past, they just keep replacing >>>>parts at a whim, and eventually if you replace enough parts the >>>>problem will have gone away. I hate for that to always be the >>>>solution, since then you really don't get service, you almost get a >>>>dis-service in a way...:-/ Does that mean when you pay for the service >>>>rather than having LR foot the bill that you will have to replace the >>>>part, since that will be the solution and you should be happy with >>>>that >>> >>>I feel that there is something really wrong with the way some places do >>>business today. Having a problem where the dealer just throws parts at it >>>is just plain irresponsible service practice. It's the same with the old >>DEC service >>>folks. During a typical service call they would replace 50% of the parts in >>our mainframes. >>>But that was only allowed because 1. DEC was paying for it, and 2. The >>mainframe was >>>owned by an aerospace corp; A customer who would never complain about such >>lazy service >>>policies. I was just a kid then but recall feeling uneasy about the way >>they repaired things. >>>Now I call BS on this every chance I get because, even if it's in your >>favor this time, >>>the bottom line is that they are not intelligently diagnosing and repairing >>your problem >>>which is what you're paying them to do. Why is this tolerated? I suppose >>it's because >>>the customer usually makes out well as they receive newer parts. It can >>also be faster, >>>requires less thought, and seems easier. And perhaps there's a lack of >>training or control >>>from upper management to prevent this practice. Philosophically it's wrong >>and doesn't >>>make for good business. Give 'em hell. >>> >>> >>> _______ >>>'64 IIa /_____/_| | '89 Range Rover | nick@ablecom.net >>>Dormobile |__|_|\_\__ | '66 SIIA 88 (Seymour) | 1-(408) 980-3649 >>> [_~\_|__.-.; | '64 Dormobile | 1308771@skymail.com >>> (0) (0)" | '66 Dormobile (Assembled!!) | Los Gatos, Calif. >>> >>> >>> > > > ------------------------------------ From: "Candido Gomez" Date: Sun, 18 Aug 96 03:10:29 UT Subject: RE: Clonking Driveline, Cont'd. Hi John, I noticed some drive line slop when I was on the Pair-o-Dice run, but have no difficulty shifting in any gears yet. I just turned 16,000 miles on my Disco and will certainly check with the LR service advisor. Dino ---------- From: John C. White, III Sent: 17 August, 1996 3:25 PM To: mendo_recce@ridgecrest.ca.us; rro-owner@playground.sun.com Subject: Clonking Driveline, Cont'd. I took my Disco in for its 30,000 mile service this past Tuesday, and am still without it. You see, when I brought it in I told the LR service rep that I was having a bit of driveline slop, and reminded him of my previous complaint about difficulties shifting into third. ------------------------------------ From: "Candido Gomez" Date: Sun, 18 Aug 96 03:15:18 UT Subject: RE: Land Rover advertisment How about Dunlop Radial Rover RV. LT235/85R16. These are 31.6" http://www.dunloptire.com Cheers, Dino ---------- From: S. F. Yee Sent: 17 August, 1996 6:59 PM To: mendo_recce@ridgecrest.ca.us Cc: SNEDDREN@aol.com Subject: Land Rover advertisment Anybody have ideas about replacement tires for the stock Michelin Xs included on the RR? Are they really $200 @? S.F. ------------------------------------ End of Digest