From: mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us Subject: Digest for mendo_recce: 8/1/1996 Errors-To: owner-mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us Reply-To: mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us Precedence: bulk This is the digest for the mendo_recce mailling list ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------ From: DANIEL OPPENHEIM Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 23:35:28 -0700 Subject: Re: Trouble in Pair O Dice, Part 2 (long) Gerry, I'm loving this drama. I'm not sure if it's the story line or your superb writing or both but I'm rolling on the floor. 27 years is along time compared to my 2.7 months of Ser IIa ownership. You're an inspiration.( A good lesson for me about the perils of " modern" machines...) Daniel Daniel J. Oppenheim Oppenheim Associates - A Managment Consulting Firm based in San Fransisco daniel@mgmtconsult.com phone: (415) 282-5500 fax: (415) 282-5005 1965 Ser IIA 88", "Kermit" ------------------------------------ From: KKelly6788@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 02:44:59 -0400 Subject: Re: Routine Maintenance Tips Requested >my '90 Plushmobile has developed a faulty sunroof switch I put a new sunroof switch in my '89 last year (2 minute job), so I guess it is time for you to replace the switch on your '90. >automatic lock that doesn't engage (left rear). I shake the door and it >sounds like something's loose, like a screw or something. You may be lucky and the metal rod that locks and unlock the door may have come loose. Most likely the actuator had failed (three out of my five have been replaced in the last couple years). The actuators cost about $110 at the dealer and are around $80 each mail order. I did not have the time to deal with making a bracket and bought an OEM actuator, but guys on the RRO/CSO list have bought generic lock actuators (for car alarms) and got them to work on Range Rovers. I was at the Good Guys a couple weeks ago and I saw them for around $20 each. If you have any questions about the Range Rover back doors send me an e-mail. I have taken my back doors apart more times than Ben has taken apart his transmission. Kevin Kelly ------------------------------------ From: "Tom Walsh" Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 22:56:36 +0000 Subject: RE: Ah!..... Christmas, isn't it pretty > From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" > >2) My gear temperature oil light came on yesterday! > > ( tranny fluid depth is fine... I'll have to check transfer box > > oil level, I found the sensor ( for the t-case and jiggled it to > > re-seat it to no avail... It seems the the tranny one is somewhere > > where I can't reach ( I spose having kids or wives with really > > long skinny arms would do for this ). It happened again today! > > I hosed down the tranny and T-case for 20 minutes until cool > > again and started the vehicle up and it was still on... I don't > > know what to think..... any thoughts? ) > This happened to me. I called the dealer and they sounded like this is > common ("oh yeah, just bring it in") In my case It was a bad sensor. The > sensor is on the driver's side of the radiator just below the PS > reservoir. Great! I'll look at it tomorrow! The Shop Manual dowsn't it show it there! It showed one on the T-case and one on the transmission... I found the T-case one but not the transmission...... I could have knocked the one by the PS pump loose while dousing the vehicle with the presure hose the other day.... that would make sense! Tomw > Maybe it just came loose and you could re-attach the > connector. (I'm assuming you have an autobox). > > My rover's going on day-4 for it's de-clonking :-(. Gee I thought this was a family channel or something :) Tomw ---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------* Fluent Networks "Intelligent Networking Solutions" Tom Walsh, Founder, VP Technology/Engineering tomw@netcom.com soon to be tomw@fluentnet.com http://www.fluentnet.com 95 LR Disco "The Light Brigade" #include *---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------* ------------------------------------ From: Kurt Jensen Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 01:44:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Trip to Telluride Report I've been lurking and deleting many messages because of being too busy, but happened to read this and wanted to respond. The infamous vapour lock I always hear about on the mendo trips I've been on seems to be solved by letting the vehicle sit for a while while Guinness or other appropriate ale is imbibed, food is eaten, and one soaks in the scenery. Granny, puveyor of strange (and occasionally useful) LR wisdom, swears by the above mentioned method...Your method of cure doesn't sound very fun! Kurt "hope I can make the Portland Leak" Jensen 1964 109 IIA pickup On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, James D. Howard II wrote: > > I had a serious vapour lock problem. Combination of high altitude and > very bumpy road. Rerouting the fuel line from Rover's standard route > to one farther from the engine helped, but did not cure it. I plan to > relocate the diposable fuel filter near the gas tank, as pouring water > on the filter cured it every time. > > I tried it, but a Series Land Rover does not have the axle > articulation needed. Spending 30 minutes filling the ditch in with > rocks enabled me to get up the rock. Once I got to the crest, I > stalled the engine, and vapour lock prevented a restart. So John > hooked up a tow rope and pulled me over the crest. > > If you are taking your Series vehicle, make sure your fuel line runs > far from the engine. > > James Howard > 1972 SIII 88 SW > At only 7000 feet in Flagstaff, AZ. > ------------------------------------ From: "barnett childress" Date: Thu, 1 Aug 96 7:13:56 -0400 Subject: re: Trouble in Pair O Dice, Part 2 (long) Wow! What a story! Hope everyone makes it out alive. Oh wait a minute if yer writin' this you must have made it :>. The suspense is killing me though! Can't wait for pt3. Cheers, Barnett (95 D90, soon to have a spare pump?) ------------- Original Text From: daemon@ridgecrest.ca.us, on 7/31/96 9:49 PM: In our previous episode: Lilly, the Weasel and I found ourselves in a balky Peat. Peat is the D90 SW we bought in January that was eventually going to replace Gooey, my ever faithful Series III. We were on an unknown ridge that took some serious off-roading to find and Joe Lucas decided to visit Peat's fuel pump. In short, we were up a ridge without a paddle, or something like that. We thought that perhaps BobandSue had enough time to make it home to Paradise by then so we used Lilly's cell phone to call. We reached their daughter who said she'd just talked to them and they should arrive in a few minutes. We called 15 minutes later and Bob answered. I know Bob is an excellent mechanic so I explained Peat's problem and Bob immediately went into problem solving mode as I described my attempts to diagnose the situation. At first he didn't manage to come up with anything I hadn't already tried. We still didn't know what was wrong. Ever the problem solver, Bob leaped to a solution; connect an external fuel pump and use some neoprene tubing to connect it. And he had the required parts. Great! But unfortunately he had the needed items in Paradise and I was at least 25 miles away. Bob offered to come up and asked where we were. I explained that I was a bit confused about that. I explained the route we took leaving camp and how we'd been on the T-line before we got to this ridge. When I told him we could see the Sutter Buttes he was skeptical. Seemed to Bob that we were not where I said...but I knew we were. At least I thought I knew it. The problem was I couldn't precisely describe how to get there. I said I'd try some more trouble-shooting and call back. Lilly and I decided to take stock of the situation: It was about 1:00 PM at this point and I realized we had almost 8 hours of light left. We couldn't tell anyone how to find us and it wasn't very likely someone would just happen to come here. Peat clearly wasn't going to cooperate. LRNA seemed to think that a tow truck was our best or only option. We discussed it for a few minutes and decided that we'd better take some action soon. We had enough food for a couple more days, sleeping bags, tent and plenty of water. Lilly packed her fanny pack with some munchies and a water bottle for me. So I took my binoculars, the fanny pack and the portable CB, leaving Lilly with the cell phone, and went for a little walk. Lilly was to stay with Peat and wait. She was also asked not to talk to the bears or share food with them. I was a little concerned that Lilly seemed to have substantially more faith in my ability to get us out of this mess than I did. So off I went. It was now hot and sunny; a beautiful day. Great day for a walk, but bit too warm. I'm a fast walker and had determined that I could probably make it back to the camp at Lake Philbrook in about four hours or less. As I walked I tried to remember every unique landmark to be sure I'd be able to find my way back. The first junction in the trail was about two miles from Peat. I fetched some fairly large windfall branches from the woods and arranged them into an arrow: ==> to indicate the correct trail. I did this at each successive junction. And since I'd made a wrong turn on my way in I tried not to make a similar mistake on my return...but, ya know, all those damn roads look alike. Whatever I did on the way up, I over-corrected on the way back and went the wrong way again. I didn't realize my mistake until I'd walked far enough that I wasn't going to try to go back to figure it out. I determined that if I kept heading down slope I'd eventually get to something like civilization. This was not very comforting however. As I walked I thought about the situation. This was July 28th, the twenty-seventh anniversary of my purchase of Phred, a new 1969 Series IIa 88, my first Land Rover. I have since driven somewhere near a half million miles in Land Rovers and I have been in some really outrageous places; almost always with no other vehicles. I've been all over California, from the Warner Mountains to the Salton Sea and chasing after birds all over Nevada & Arizona. There aren t too many parts of the western states I haven't taken one of the three series Land Rovers I've owned. I've even been around Iceland in Phred. And in all those miles, I like to brag, I've never had to walk home. Only twice have I been so stuck I couldn't get out by myself and both times it was in mud. Both times another Land Rover got me out. I've had to drive home half a dozen times with a broken half shaft. I've made some really funky field repairs to a ripped radiator hose. I've had water as high as the yellow knob flowing through the interior. I've learned exactly what to carry in a bin of spares and replacement parts that I've put together. I carry tools for nearly everything that can go wrong on a series Land Rover. Twenty-seven years ago I was a semi-competent mechanic; today I'm confident that I could effect at least a temporary fix for almost anything my Series III might do. I've had to drain the gas tank, redo the ignition system and even replace the carb in the middle of nowhere...but I've never had to walk home. Peat, with all that black box electronic complexity was really shaking my faith. Here was Peat in the middle of nowhere...well it could have been worse... could have been out in the Black Rock Desert somewhere in North West Nevada. The only thing I knew for sure about his condition was that his fuel pump would not pump fuel and I didn't have a clue as to why. With my other Land Rovers I always knew that if I could get my hands on all the necessary parts and tools I could do a field repair. But now with Peat out here, what would I replace or repair? Will he need a new tank with the internal fuel pump? Is it the ECU? Does he need a new one? What does that computer do with the fuel pump? Is it maybe just a bad electrical connection? What a helpless feeling...I didn't even know if I could get him out of there with a new fuel pump. There were painful thoughts. On the other hand it was a really nice walk. Mountain Quail were everywhere with newly hatched young; the cutest little things! The look like fluffy eggs with some hastily attached legs and wow can they run! The wild flowers are really glorious up there this year. It was spectacular to walk miles through meadows all filled with wild flowers. As I was striding along I was escorted for a while by a mixed flock of Steller Jays, Robins, Mtn. Chickadees, and Red-breasted Nuthatches. It is amazing what a racket they can make when you're trying to listen for a signal on the CB or for engine noise in the distance. I walked for almost three hours and was beginning to feel really alone. There was plenty of evidence of vehicular traffic one the trails since the morning rain but I neither saw nor heard another vehicle. Finally I heard the sound of a large bore diesel engine. Yep there was something coming down the canyon behind me. It was a CDF (California Division of Forestry) fire truck with a crew of three. I flagged them down and they appeared a bit startled to see anyone out there. I explained that I was trying to get to Lake Philbrook to seek help retrieving my wife and Land Rover. They apparently didn't believe me at first as they explained that we were at least eight miles from Philbrook. They asked where the LR was and I explained that it was about two miles from Jones Meadow. More startled looks...they said Jones Meadow was about eight to ten miles from where we were. I explained that I'm a fast walker. They offered a ride to Innskip and so I had a very dusty ride on the back of the fire truck for 12 miles to Innskip. But there was no phone at the Innskip bar so they trucked me into Sterling City. Sterling City is a pleasant place but is just barely a village; it is nowhere close to being a 'city'. I used the phone at the CDF office there to call Bob Bernard. He had been in contact with Lilly on the cell phone several times so he knew I was headed in his direction. When I called he was putting parts and tools in Sherman and was ever so gracious about coming back up to save us. I was able to purchase a soda at the Sterling City mall, a sort of combination B&B, tavern, convenience store and hangout. As I was finishing off my soda, Bob drove up. Off we went, back to Philbrook to see if we could find any D90 owners that could shed some light on the problem or share their experience with the situation. Bob had included a tow-bar in the rescue material but I told him I was sure that was not going to be of much use; the area was just too rugged to tow Peat out. We had a pleasant drive and at about 5:30 we found the tents still standing at the camp but nobody around. We thought about leaving a note but didn't know what to say or what anyone else could do so we headed up to the T-line. We retraced Peat's path back to Jones Meadow but from there it got a little confusing. I was getting worried. The sun was low on the horizon now. How the hell was I going to find Lilly, Peat and the Weasel? To be continued in our next episode: It's supper time! Who's that at the door? And where is Peat? 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And where is Peat? > > Is this the episode where the girl gets tied to the railroad tracks, and a train starts comin', and then... and then? This some dynamite prose, Gerry. I would say a wonderful story, but since I'm sure it was no fun to live through, I won't. It's one of my greatest fears to be stranded by my vehicle out in the middle of no where. Cheers! John ------------------------------------ From: John_Benham@nps.gov (John Benham) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 08:45:49 -0400 Subject: Yet another movie Rover sighting... Dear LRO's, Last night I rented Kubrick's 1973 landmark film `A Clockwork Orange'. Towards the end of the film, Alex's two buddies had become policemen and drive a SIIA 109 Police Land Rover station wagon. FWIW, John Benham 1989 R/R 1968 SIIA Fort Collins, CO ------------------------------------ From: Kelly Minnick Date: Thu, 1 Aug 96 8:11:51 PDT Subject: Re: Ah!..... Christmas, isn't it pretty > My dashboard is lit up like a christmas tree! > 1) My check engine lite has been on for a week and a half now > ( ECU code 48, vehicle speed sensor, which I investigated, and twiddled > I had to separate and clean EVERY connector on my '91 for some of the faults to go away. The sensor worked fine... > 2) My gear temperature oil light came on yesterday! > > 3) My vehicle now sometimes starts up and idle's at 1500 to 2000 rpm > when its cold. I can wait till its warm ( and only after its > Is the Aux. Air valve sticking? This is the air bleed used when the vehicle is cold and when the A/C is turned on... It's a solenoid valve on the plenum chamber... > 5) A week ago I finally installed the battery isolater for keeping my > Doesn't sound VERY isolated to me... > Tomw Most of the problems I've found with the RR's has to do with their silly sensors, and not the ECUs. In fact, I was wondering if Gerry's fuel pump problem was the 20 amp fuse or the fuel pump relay. I have had the relays go out and had to use a jumper wire to bridge the relay socket to get power to the fuel pump. Did you have power at the fuel pump? I don't remember what you said about that... I do agree about how simple it is to keep the series vehicles running... Just that most ones we find have had no maintenance done to them so it seems that everything is falling apart. The '87 RR had the same door latch actuator as what is used in the SAAB 900 and 9000. I bought mine at the wrecking yard for $20. In fact, most of the relays are the same, too. I keep the relays in my tool box! Speaking of sensors, my '91 RR cooling fan use to come on in the middle of winter when the outside air temp was 25 degrees. Hmm! The gauge is reading that the engine is cool, but... BTW, my ABS problem with the '91 was 2 $50 relays, not all the expensive stuff I was checking. The 'codes' did not make sense til the dealer stuck his computer on the thing (and I'm not a 'take it to the dealer' kind of guy). I was not too happy about that. Have fun and keep a smile on your face about it all! Kelly Minnick ------------------------------------ From: Kelly Minnick Date: Thu, 1 Aug 96 8:41:50 PDT Subject: Re: Range Rover Brakes Dragging? > > Has anyone had a problem with brakes dragging on a Range Rover? I was on the > > Kevin Kelly > Kevin- since there are no 'return springs' on disc brakes, all disc brakes will drag until the rotor pushes the pads back. Disc brakes can be either floating rotors or floating calipers. The RR has floating calipers, which means the calipers 'slide' back and forth on shoulder bolts or hardened pins. On most vehicles, these are usually lightly greased and have rubber boots to protect them. It could be that your calipers are not sliding very easily. On the other hand, it could be that your caliper pistons are sticking, but we won't talk about that... Kelly Minnick ------------------------------------ From: kirkwood@strider.fm.intel.com (Clayton Kirkwood) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 08:55:49 -0700 Subject: Re: another D90 Question On Jul 31, 11:18am, Robert Bell wrote: > Subject: another D90 Question > hello all: > I have a 94 D90 and have noticed when I have the air conditioning on and > make a left turn I hear a strange rambling sound behind the panel that is > knee high on the passenger side. There is also good bit of condensation that > drips on the floor area of the passenger side. Any ideas??? > This noise is caused by the mouse option in the squirrel cage fan blowing cool air out. If you had stayed with the OEM squirrel you wouldn't have this problem!! The "condensation drips"... well let's just say that the little fellas are doing more than sweating ;>) > And who is it that I always see going south on Hayden road around 8:30 am in > a yellow D90. (mine is yellow too) > > thanx much > Robert Bell > > ps: what is Lisa's actual e-mail?? > > tradica@netzone.com > http://www.tradica.com > > > > > ---------- > > From: Lee Zeltzer (ISD) > > To: azlro@stat.com; mendo_recce@ridgecrest.ca.us > > Subject: D90 Recovery Question and a curious trip event! > > Date: Wednesday, July 31, 1996 3:18 AM > > > > In the Unlikely (Ha!) event I ever need to have my defender pulled out > > of the muck or mire I have purchased a very nice 18,000# fabric recovery > > strap. I even know where to attach the strap front and rear, what I > > can't find are the "clamps, toggles, whatsa mijigers" to attach the > > recovery strap to the D ring on my Safari Guard bumper or tow hitch in > > the rear. Any ideas would be welcome. > > > > Also, I wanted to pass on a unique summer trip experience for Sunny > > Arizona. This past weekend a group of AZ land rover folks including > > yours truely did some exploration in the Tanqueverde area of the Rincon > > mountains east of Tucson. A fun trip, a few very difficult grades and > > not to suprising torrential rain in the afternoon. Our troop had three > > D90's and two Discos. One of the Discos was stock and it is a tribute to > > both the truck and Lisa and Robert that they actually made it through > > the trip with only a rear bumber scrape. I would not have believed any > > road vehicle of any type could do what the Disco did, in fact if Mike > > had not lead and proved it possible I wouldn't have tried parts of the > > cowpath with my D90, hell we even ran into a steer that died trying. > > > > I however have a new D90 anquish. During the rain I swiched on the > > defroster, big mistake. On came the check engine light and although I > > can turn off the fan and reroute the heated air, I can't turn off the > > heat! Great full when it's 100+ outside. Guess a warranty visit is in > > the wings. The lesson in the learning is never use a heater in a > > Defender unless it's over 100 degrees outside! >-- End of excerpt from Robert Bell -- Clayton R. Kirkwood, FM1-58, 916 356-5838 ------------------------------------ From: "Robert Bell" Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 09:23:15 -0000 Subject: Re: another D90 Question (ac trouble) I took the D90 to the Scottsdale shop thismorning. They looked in the drain pipe from the evaporator unit on the passenger's side and found it clogged with a small nest of mice. These mice being members of the annoying BEACU (British Export Air Conditioning Union) gone on strike. I am awaiting info from the repair persons who are negotiating with the mice as I type this. Robert Bell tradica@netzone.com http://www.tradica/pages/rover/rover.htm ------------------------------------ From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 10:16:34 -0700 Subject: D90 Service Engine Reset Does anyone out there know how to reset the Service Engine light (turn it off) for a '94 D90? I seem to recall this being discussed for the Discos some while back. Disconnecting the battery doesn't do it, and the dealer doesn't know how ("we've not had one go to that high a mileage before - we'll call you when we track it down" ). I didn't find any mention of it in the shop manual last night either (time to take a second look). Thanks for any assistance. cheers, Jeremy ------------------------------------ From: Jeff Gauvin Date: Thu, 1 Aug 96 11:47:59 MDT Subject: Re: D90 Service Engine Reset Jeremy Bartlett asks: > Does anyone out there know how to reset the Service Engine light (turn > it off) for a '94 D90? > > I seem to recall this being discussed for the Discos some while back. > > Disconnecting the battery doesn't do it, and the dealer doesn't know > how ("we've not had one go to that high a mileage before - we'll call > you when we track it down" ). I didn't find any mention of it in the > shop manual last night either (time to take a second look). > > Thanks for any assistance. If the D90 is like most vehicles (yeah, right!), then it takes a special tool to reset the light. It is triggered by the odometer and indicates that the emmisions stuff needs scheduled maintenance. -- Jeff Gauvin '94 D90, with a "Service Engine" light that should turn on in another 2 years... ------------------------------------ From: John Brabyn Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 11:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: D90 Service Engine Reset On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Jeff Gauvin wrote: > > If the D90 is like most vehicles (yeah, right!), then it takes a special > tool to reset the light. It is triggered by the odometer and indicates > that the emmisions stuff needs scheduled maintenance. I think you'll find no special tool is needed if it's similar to the Range Rover. Cheers John Brabyn 89RR ------------------------------------ From: John Brabyn Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 11:37:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: D90 Service Engine Reset Probably similar to the RR; there's a button on one of the relays under the rear of the front seat that resets the light. Certainly the shop manual should say how -- it does for the RR. Cheers John Brabyn 89RR On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Jeremy Bartlett wrote: > Does anyone out there know how to reset the Service Engine light (turn > it off) for a '94 D90? > > I seem to recall this being discussed for the Discos some while back. > > Disconnecting the battery doesn't do it, and the dealer doesn't know > how ("we've not had one go to that high a mileage before - we'll call > you when we track it down" ). I didn't find any mention of it in the > shop manual last night either (time to take a second look). > > Thanks for any assistance. > > cheers, > > Jeremy ------------------------------------ From: John Brabyn Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 12:05:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Ah!..... Christmas, isn't it pretty Folks, sorry I missed the beginning of this thread but it sure sounds like most of the problem is the Idle Air Bypass Valve -- a stepper motor that's situated on the rear left top of the intake plenum. This pesky thing opens to let air past the throttle valve for idling, especially when you slow down near stopping speed and when the a/c is on or other extra loads. It's intimately affected by the road speed sensor too, so make sure that is working first (the speedo cable can come loose on either end of it). Sounds like in this case you've already checked that out. In my experience the idle air bypass valve periodically gets sticky -- usually after trips to the Black Rock Desert or other dustbowls -- and makes the idle speed much too high and even fluctuating; most annoying and dangerous when descending hills in low range etc. To fix it just take off the connector and unscrew the valve from the plenum. Then squirt some WD-40 into the works, clean out the dirt inside the plenum orifice with your finger, and screw the gadget back in. Don't try to move the parts manually; I did that the first time, thinking the thing must be jammed, and literally broke the valve. (A new one is $140). Since putting in a new one, I've had to give it the above quick overhaul more than once in the field. Good luck and cheers John Brabyn 89RR P.S. (The gear oil temperature light problem is separate and most likely due to the sensor biting the dust) > > My dashboard is lit up like a christmas tree! > > 1) My check engine lite has been on for a week and a half now > > ( ECU code 48, vehicle speed sensor, which I investigated, and twiddled > > > 2) My gear temperature oil light came on yesterday! > > > > 3) My vehicle now sometimes starts up and idle's at 1500 to 2000 rpm > > when its cold. I can wait till its warm ( and only after its > > > > 5) A week ago I finally installed the battery isolater for keeping my > > > ------------------------------------ From: bronson@diamondmm.com (Scott Bronson) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 12:28:22 -0800 Subject: Re: D90 Service Engine Reset On my 1990 Range Rover, under the passenger seat is a button with a tamper-proof sticker over it. Pull the sticker, push the button, and you're good for another 52,500 miles. This was described in the ECU/fuel system section in my service manual. Dunno if any of this applies to the D90. - Scott >Does anyone out there know how to reset the Service Engine light (turn >it off) for a '94 D90? > >I seem to recall this being discussed for the Discos some while back. > >Disconnecting the battery doesn't do it, and the dealer doesn't know >how ("we've not had one go to that high a mileage before - we'll call >you when we track it down" ). I didn't find any mention of it in the >shop manual last night either (time to take a second look). > >Thanks for any assistance. > >cheers, > >Jeremy ------------------------------------ From: debrown@srp.gov Date: 01 Aug 96 13:39:09 MST Subject: Empty plug under seat - '87 RR FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 Hello all, I was "fiddling" with the electrical connections on my '87 RR (no particular reason, ;-) ) and came across an empty plug lead under the passenger seat. It's larger than the relay plug leads, and has 4 or 5 round (male) leads that would plug into something. Am I missing some vital piece of hardware that is causing the RR to run only by the grace of God? If I stop pouring sacrificial oil (20W50, ATF, 90W) to the Lucas god will it quit running? The wires leading into this plug are small, like those going to a relay or something. What is this lead for? Or is this for a UK spec vehicle? (I have power seats, so it's not for that.) P.S. I was able to turn off the EFI light by disconnecting the battery for about 45 seconds. It turned on "for no particular reason" about 10 days ago. Dave - '87 RR V8 EFI - US Spec. #=======# _________ "What lies behind us and wat lies |__|__|__\___ //__/__|__\___ before us are tiny matters ompared | _| | |_ |} \__ - ____ - _|} to what lies within us." "(_)""""""(_)" (_) (_) Ralph WaldoEmerson ------------------------------------ From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 13:56:37 -0700 Subject: Genuinely interesting Web page Hi, all, I just found a most interesting Land-Rover Web page called "Traction Ladder" which refers not to a particular off-roading aid as I expected but to a mass of links to other Web sites and a host of useful information about Land-Rovers, including a long list of Land-Rover parts suppliers in the UK. Here's the URL for this Web site: http://web.ukonline.co.uk/Members/george.rawson/index.htm Enjoy! Cheers, Granny ------------------------------------ From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 13:55:52 -0700 Subject: The Story so far Re: D90 Service Engine Reset You wrote: > >On my 1990 Range Rover, under the passenger seat is a button with a >tamper-proof sticker over it. Pull the sticker, push the button, and >you're good for another 52,500 miles. > >This was described in the ECU/fuel system section in my service manual. >Dunno if any of this applies to the D90. > > - Scott >>Does anyone out there know how to reset the Service Engine light (turn >>it off) for a '94 D90? >> >>I seem to recall this being discussed for the Discos some while back. >> >>Disconnecting the battery doesn't do it, and the dealer doesn't know >>how ("we've not had one go to that high a mileage before - we'll call >>you when we track it down" ). I didn't find any mention of it in the >>shop manual last night either (time to take a second look). >> >>Thanks for any assistance. >> >>cheers, >> >>Jeremy Well, the story so far is the reset button on '94 D90s is located behind the instrument panel which has to come out for the reset. Dealer says $41 labor - (yeah right). A small screwdriver is reported to do the trick. I'll try this tonight (?) and post when I get it solved/reset. Thanks to all for the input so far. cheers, Jeremy ------------------------------------ From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 14:37:45 -0700 Subject: Re: Ft. Hunter Not Legit Not a Rallye Date? I have to cancel my presence at the proposed Ft. Hunter Leggett not a rallye. I hope that doesn't deter the small contingent that was considering the outing. Hopefully I'll make it another time (late fall??). cheers, Jeremy P.S. be aware of pig hunters; apparently they're allowed on base to hunt. I wrote: > >OK a few reckless individuals have expressed interested in the "East of >Los Padres Area", so let's set a tenative date and see what happens. >How about August 10 and 11 leaving camp (the same one used on the coast >not a rallye?) at about 10:00 am on the 10th. Arrivals the evening of >the 9th and morning of the 10th. > >Beware of extortionists in Toyota pickups; carry at least $40 in small >bills but not much more :) > >Remember you shouldn't have reservations about military reservations; >there's a large one in the area. :) > >cheers, > >Jeremy > ------------------------------------ From: Benjamin Allan Smith Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 15:19:04 -0700 Subject: (fwd) from Stephen Hutchens I think this was more intended for the list than me. -Ben ------- Forwarded Message From: "Hutchins, Stephen" To: bens Subject: RE: MiniDigest part 1/2 for mendo_recce: 7/31/1996 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 96 11:38:00 PDT Gerry: Hmmm...them new Rovers look awful nice & shiny, but give me points and a conventially aspirated carb vehicle any day. Trouble shootin is so much simpler... Long , long ago I mounted a spare electronic fuel pump (Facet) , pre-wired, onto the frame under the passenger seat as a back up. Heck I even used it once, plugging the power cable into the dash plug! Anyways , I hope you tale ends happily..... - Stev Hutchins ------- End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------------ From: bronson@diamondmm.com (Scott Bronson) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 15:32:39 -0800 Subject: A plea regarding Mendo mail Would it be too much to ask tech-only messages to go to the Landie or Coilie lists? I'm sure non-left-coasters are also interested in what we have to say. And, I'd prefer avoiding cross-posting (cross-sending?) LRO or RRO messages to Mendo. Those of us who are interested are certainly on the appropriate playground.sun.com lists as well. I tire of reading second and third copies of messgaes. Geez, I must be really cranky today... Sorry 'bout that. - Scott ------------------------------------ From: "Mugele, Gerry" Date: Thu, 01 Aug 96 15:18:00 PDT Subject: Trouble in Pair O Dice, Part 3 ( not as long) In previous episodes: Lilly, the Weasel and I found ourselves in the middle of nowhere with a D90 SW named Peat that would not run. LRNA seemed unable or not inclined to provide the type of help needed. I walked miles out to catch a ride to the edge of civilization and now Bob Bernard and I were in his Land Rover 88 driving around in the woods trying to find the road I d taken to where Lilly, the Weasel and Peat were waiting. We should have been having no problem finding the trails I d taken six hours earlier. As I walked out I had placed arrows on the trail at each junction so that I could find my way back. But Bob and I couldn t find any of them. That was odd. The arrows were intentionally made large enough to be seen from the air, you know... just in case... But we couldn t find them, even where I knew I d put em. Somehow we managed to miss that crucial turn I had taken. A couple more attempts to find it and I began to get very worried. At this point Bob convinced me that we should go South to the Bald Mountain Fire Lookout. I didn t see how this was going to help but I didn t have any better idea. As we proceeded South it was clear to me that I had never been on this road. I definitely had not come this far on these roads. These were real fire roads, not at all like the narrow track I d been on. It was about 6:30 when we arrived at the lookout. We immediately climbed the tower and interrupted the ranger's dinner. He was very hospitable anyway and clearly wanted to help when we explained the situation. He was new to the job however and was not really familiar with the local geography. We scanned his maps and tried using his CB to reach the remaining Land Rover owners out there. The additional altitude did not help however and we still couldn t raise the Lazy Buggers Gonzo Contingent. After about ten minutes we decided that one obvious ridge north of us might be a good bet. It just looked right to me...some dead conifers on the crest, high enough to see the Sutter Buttes over the other ridges and about the right distance from the lookout. Bob was right; coming to the lookout was a terrific idea. We left the ranger to enjoy his dinner in solitude and headed back north. We soon made the turn that seemed most likely to get us to the ridge we had spotted. As we did, it was obvious to me we were on the right track. Then we came to one of the arrows I d constructed. It had been disturbed enough so that it was unrecognizable. It looked as though it had been driven over intentionally. After about another half mile on this track we found the first arrow I'd made...it was undisturbed. We were close and on the right track! As we crossed the creeks and meadows Bob acknowledged that we weren t going to be able to tow Peat out. He was also marveling at the terrain and the lack of evidence that anyone had been there. When we were about 200 meters from Peat neither one of us could see the trail. Then I remembered that we had to go up the slope a bit and along a side hill around some fallen logs. At this point it seemed like we should be able to see Peat but he still wasn t obvious. Finally I caught sight of Lilly standing on a boulder on a small knoll waving as she watched our approach. We didn t spend much time on pleasantries and got right to the crux of the problem. I again explained all the things I d checked as Bob patiently listened. Then we rechecked the most obvious ones. So I explained how the fuel pump just doesn t pump. Watch, I said I ll turn the ignition on and the fuel pump won t engage. as I turned the key... BZZZZZZZZZZsnick. Uhhhh....... It worked! ARGGHHHHH! Geeezzzzuzzz. So I tried the starter and Peat immediately jumped to life. Uh....sorry Bob. I don t understand. What a weird feeling...great relief mixed with annoyance, anger, frustration and embarrassment. Should I have stayed with Peat and just waited? Why did it fail then and why is it working now? We checked for obvious flaws but found nothing. I shut it down several times and restarted without incident, so we decided to drive on out. Lilly rode with Bob while the Weasel and I led the way. But I was still confused as I tried to turn the wrong way again on the way back to Philbrook. So after that Bob and Lilly led the way and the Weasel and I ate their dust. It was dark by the time we got to the lake and we found Rick Larson and Tom Walsh waiting for the bear at the dumpster. When we drove up they pretended to be disposing of the camp garbage. We briefly explained the day s adventure and they related the fun they had driving to Bear Lake and winching Land Rovers for hours. We were all tired and anxious to get home, we said our good byes and hit the road. My deepest gratitude to Bob Bernard for his selflessness and patience in attempting to retrieve us from the depths of Joe Lucas mischief and for being a good sport when Joe stepped out and left Peat to run again. We made it home almost twelve hours later than I d planned but nearly everything was okay. We now are going to have an absurd cell phone bill, my legs are sore, and Peat may not get to go play like that anymore. In all it was quite an experience, but not one that I can call a useful lesson. I still don t know what to make of the adventure. I do know that I *need* a GPS. But Peat is still an unknown. At this moment he s off visiting the doctor. Apparently BMC/SF has no Land Rover exorcist or psychologist on staff so the mechanics are checking all the little mysterious electronic bits. So far they have decided to replace the fuel pump relay/solenoid. They think maybe it got stuck but can t explain why. That was my original diagnosis too and what I suggested to the service advisor so I m not sure what sort of trouble shooting they ve done. I think we all know Joseph Lucas, the Prince of Diminished Light, is the real culprit here Their mechanic is going to take Peat home tonight to see how he behaves under different circumstances. I doubt that he will learn anything from this effort, except maybe that Peat s a really cool vehicle to drive. This is all still very unnerving. Will I ever be able to completely trust Peat again? Will LRNA come through with a reasonable solution and maybe a work-around in case this happens again? Will LRNA s Gordon learn the difference between a mall crawler and a off-roader? Will that poor ranger get to finish his dinner? Tune in again after the next Mendo-Recce not-a-rallye to learn the answers to some of these questions and other such exciting things. Gerry *** What you need is a function of what other people have. ************************************************************** _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ Gerry Mugele (Mugeleg@wellsfargo.com) _/ _/ Glen Ellen, California (415) 477-3952 _/ _/ "Gooey" '72 SIII 88 _/ _/ "Peat" '95 D90 SW (364/500) _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ************************************************************** ------------------------------------ From: johnliu@earthlink.net Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 18:38:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Please, no more graphics files Can folks refrain from sending graphics files on this list? They cause the size of the digest to exceed the available memory on my machine. Perhaps such files could just be sent to those who request it. Just a suggestion, thanks. John Y. Liu johnliu@earthlink.net (via HP200LX and NetTamer) John Y. Liu `[1;36;40mNet-Tamer V 1.02.2 - Test Drive ------------------------------------ From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 16:03:32 -0700 Subject: RE: Trouble in Pair O Dice, Part 3 ( not as long) After a similar, though much less suspensful, adventure was when I joined the GPS club. They're great for guiding in the helicopter air lift :-) (I wonder if that would be covered by the "towing" plan, hmmmm.) It's amazing how all those trails look alike the first time and how the path you took up looks entirely different when you head back down the same way, especially at night! Happy Trails. _____ /|__|_\__(| Bob Watson | | | \ a-robw@microsoft.com |---|___|___\____ Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA |~~_|= |= |o_ }\ [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}| '95 Beluga Black Discovery \_/ \_/ "Willy the Whale" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rbwatson/ > ------------------------------------ From: John Brabyn Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 17:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: another D90 Question (ac trouble) Robert -- glad to hear it was just the blocked drain as I suspected -- but I never thought of mice! Cheers John Brabyn 89RR On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Robert Bell wrote: > I took the D90 to the Scottsdale shop thismorning. > > They looked in the drain pipe from the evaporator unit on the > passenger's side and found it clogged with a small nest of mice. > These mice being members of the annoying BEACU (British Export Air > Conditioning Union) > gone on strike. I am awaiting info from the repair persons who are > negotiating with the mice as I type this. > > Robert Bell > > tradica@netzone.com > http://www.tradica/pages/rover/rover.htm > > ------------------------------------ From: bronson@diamondmm.com (Scott Bronson) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 17:46:56 -0800 Subject: Re: Trouble in Pair O Dice, Part 3 ( not as long) >In all it was quite an experience, but not one that I can call a useful >lesson. I still don t know what to make of the adventure. I do know that I >*need* a GPS. I'm a dismayed that, after all that, Peat started right up! I was hoping to hear a satisfying solution to a major problem. Instead, we get uncertainty and doubt until the problem rears its ugly head again. Not fun. After watching the diagnosis Lynn's vapor-lock incident on Saturday, I decided to always bring a pocket-sized digital multimeter with insulation-piercing leads and my service manuals (in addition to the wire, wire strippers and crimp connectors in my toolbox). The DMM should make diagnosing bad switches, relays, and fuses should go much faster. In fact, I could even perform a full fuel system or ABS diagnosis on the trail, though I hope I never have to resort to that. Electronic components are subject to the same laws of failure and intermitent problems as mechanical ones. I think the scariest part of electronics is that you can't see or hear the pieces moving. However, given the appropriate tools, you stand a good chance of diagnosing the problem and, if the complex bits (computers) are still good, figuring a reasonable workaround. (although, no, I'm not going to start bringing my oscilloscope!) I'm definitely going to start bringing a fuel pump (I know, y'all have been telling me to get a spare!). I'm bumping the GPS to a higher priority as well. Volume discounts? Finally, a gripe: I've traced just about every electrical problem on my Range Rover to lazy engineering. Land Rover designers run relatively high amperage through seat switches and door pin switches, just asking for corrosion and varnish problems. They also don't use lock washers or other reasonably gas-tight connections to connect components to ground, virtually guaranteeing intermittent failures after a few years of dirt and moisture. I re-wired my Mustang's engine compartment when I found how low-quality the factory wiring was and how often the electrical connectors failed; I REALLY hope I don't have to do that for my Range Rover! - Scott ------------------------------------ From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 18:09:28 -0700 Subject: RE: Trouble in Pair O Dice, Part 3 ( not as long) >Finally, a gripe: I've traced just about every electrical problem on my >Range Rover to lazy engineering. Land Rover designers run relatively high >amperage through seat switches and door pin switches, just asking for >corrosion and varnish problems. They also don't use lock washers or other >reasonably gas-tight connections to connect components to ground, virtually >guaranteeing intermittent failures after a few years of dirt and moisture. Things haven't improved in the Disco, unfortunately. Luckily, I'm a tinkerer by nature so I'm frequently adding wire looms to un covered wires, tightening connectors, ty-wrapping loose hoses, wires, and such. when ever I'm working on the car. (Don't look behind the dash if you have a weak stomach for these sort of things!) In the Aug 1996 Automobile review of the Disco they had for a year, about half the items they had repaired were electrical things. Keep that voltmeter and wiring diagram handy... -- Bob W. > > > > > ------------------------------------ From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 18:32:54 -0700 Subject: RE: Crested Butte (a/k/a Crusty Butt) If you want to reply directly to me. I'll make a list of names/vehicles going to C.B. I get by Friday @ 6:00 pm PDT. I might be in on Saturday, but I can't promise) and post it to both lists. So far I have: Owner Color Model State License Identifying marks or features ----------------- ----- ---------- ----- ------- ----------------------------- Bob Watson Black Discovery WA N7UMU Light bar, Brush Bar Dan McDonough Blue D90SW NM 375 BDS Vulcan Science Acadmy Dan McDonough Green D90 NM 374 BDS (if not in SW) Alan Pollard 87 RR CO Send me the above information for your vehicle and I'll add it to the list. _____ /|__|_\__(| Bob Watson | | | \ a-robw@microsoft.com |---|___|___\____ Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA |~~_|= |= |o_ }\ [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}| '95 Beluga Black Discovery \_/ \_/ "Willy the Whale" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rbwatson/ > > ------------------------------------ From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 18:48:01 -0700 Subject: Paradise list revised further Further (hopefully final--OK, Ben, you can archive it!) revisions to vehicle and person count (with assistance from several helpfuls): _______________________________________________________________________________ SIIA 88 topless (Sherman) Bob & Sue Bernard SII 88 hardtop Don Morton SIII 88 topless Rob & Cynthia Kerner SIII 88 hardtop (Dora) Ben Smith SII/A softtop (Queenie) Eric & Brigid Cope (& Woody) SIIA 109 SW Mike Slade + Granville Pool D110 SW Mehdi and Christine Saghafi D90 softtop (Spot) Bruce Bonar and Stephanie Changaris D90 softtop (Sampson) Jeremy Bartlett + Eric's sister Karen D90 softtop Rick Larson D90 softtop Lynn Kot and Jim Holmes D90 SW (Peat) Gerry and Lilly Mugele (& the Weasel) Discovery (Light Brigade) Tom Walsh Discovery (Algernon) Bob Peterson and son Mark Discovery Clayton & Lynn & Makenzie & Chase Kirkwood Discovery Jeff Smith Discovery Dino Gomez Range Rover GDE (Lady Jane)*Dave Townsend and Scott Dickinson Range Rover Scott Bronson + Granny's daughter Shannon On Sunday, Bruce's brother David and his wife Kim and baby Sasha came along on the gonzo trail run in David's big Ford Bronco. Glad to have them along, even it David's experience at the Mendocino Forest notaRallye, driving Spot, didn't cure him of driving a Bronco. *This is not to be confused with Walt Swain's Lady Jane which was not present. _______________________________________________________________________________ Hopefully this is now correct but don't hesitate to let me know if it's not. I squeezed in the vehicle's names this time, where I know them. Let me know if I've missed any. "+" means a ride-along passenger on the trail who reached camp by non-Rover means. Names in parentheses are doggies. Latest changes corrected the spelling of Steph's last name and added the name of Dave's Range Rover. Cheers, Granny ------------------------------------ From: Stan Sinasohn Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 19:00:39 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: New California Smog Law In Force] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------27473793C3B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Guys, I got this message on the Jensen Owner's list and thought y'all might be interested in this. I don't know how this will effect any Rovers... --------------27473793C3B Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ------------------------------------ From: DOUG_JONES@hp-santaclara-om2.om.hp.com Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 00:03:25 -0700 Subject: New California Smog Law In Force Hi JenNuts, You needn't bother with this message unless you live in California ... or you are interested in what our Government is doing to us, as what happens to us now will probably happen to you soon. >>>> My fearless mechanic James called this morning to advise that the new smog law is in effect. In practical terms, it means the following: The test gear is linked directly to Big Brother in Sacramento. There are no printouts and no certificates. Big Brother is informed via direct link that your vehicle's VIN either passed or did not. If the same VIN fails twice, that VIN is ruled a "gross polluter" and a trip to the referee is mandatory. The referee has the power to demand repairs that bring compliance (from an "authorized shop" over which you have no control in terms of price or expertise). The upper boundary for repairs is *expensive. Next time out, there is no upper limit. The referee is booked for about 1 1/2 months, during which time your VIN has been ruled off the road. The car must now pass a "high rpm" test as well as the idle and low rpm test that were the former requirements. James watched as a very fine TR-6, in excellent tune, failed this new test after passing both former tests. It failed just barely - 4.11 against a limit of 4.0. Nonetheless, one more fail and it is off the road! James was not clear that there is any way to prepare for this test, as it is not possible to tune the car on the test rig prior to the actual test run. He forsees BIG trouble for Jensen-Healeys, which were difficult to get through with the former test. Start saving now for an aftermarket catalytic converter - it may be your only option if you want to keep driving your car. If the above makes you unhappy, I strongly suggest you write all of your elected public servants and say so. Their unstated goal is to eliminate old automobiles and force you to a) buy a new car or b) take public transit. If your goal is otherwise, you better start making some noise. James asked me to distribute this message, as he is shocked and dismayed by what he saw, and he is not sure he can help British car owners pass the test under the new law. Not very cheery news ... DJ --------------27473793C3B-- ------------------------------------ From: Rob Dennis <73363.427@compuserve.com> Date: 01 Aug 96 23:32:41 EDT Subject: RE: Crested Butte (a/k/a Crusty Butt) I am heading that way on the 5th Driver: Rob Dennis Color: Birmabright Model: SerIII Pickup with 3/4 canvas Tag: Georgia (Don't remember number by memory) Distinguishing features: Hopefully an unpainted SerIII pickup with 3/4 canvas, won't be that common. ------------------- | | | | _ _ ____|____ _ _ | Rob Dennis O |[___|>>>>>>>>>|___]| O 73363.427@Compuserve.com \____===_=====_===____/ Atlanta, GA USA |oo |(_)###(_)| oo| (404) 875-4537 | | ### | | | | ####### | | 1972 SerIII 88 |_____|_#######_|_____| 1990 RangeRover [_______________________] 1996 Discovery EEEI EEEI EEEI EEEI Send By: Rob Dennis 73363.427@Compuserve.com On 01-Aug-1996 ------------------------------------ End of Digest