From owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Sat Mar 3 21:09:42 2001 Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 14:54:16 -0500 From: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Reply-To: lro-digest@works.team.net To: lro-digest@works.team.net Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #257 LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Saturday, March 3 2001 Volume 01 : Number 257 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 18:21:02 -0500 (EST) From: Subject: Re: LRO: RE: unity... On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > Maybe, but you have to admit that the FAQ contains some data that if > derived from any independent source would be the same. LR ID number I am referring to articles written by various people that have been lifted in their entirety then stripped of identifying author etc. As for tabular data, you would thing that someone copying information might make at least the effort to correct typos and not repost the same page with different headers. That is pushing the envelope a bit. > Though I think most alternate parts lists can be traced back to work > Scotty started in the 60's for his shop. He allowed his list to be > published in the Aluminum Workhorse back in the eighties when The Land > Rover Owners Association was a real club. It predates this. ARLOC published a list in the mid seventies, and I konw Sandy had a list running too which got merged with data from here, Bill Leacock, and others. > I agree whole heartedly with Dixon here. We have had a lot more > controversy on things like the kind of substance to put into swivel > balls. Then there was this kid named Taylor... Who got a Bronco in the end I believe... Dixon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 17:30:40 -0500 From: Larry Smith Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Re: Foot in mouth, was Foot and Mouth OOOHHHH! That's why, while I was in the Army, I always wanted to command a Basic Training Company. That way I could play with all of my privates in public! Larry Smith Chester, VA Matt Peckham wrote: > > I think I speak for most of us when I say.... Nobody wants to see anyone > else's privates. Thank You very much. Keep em confined to your clothes. > > Matt > > > frank, are you airing your privates on the list again? > > -- > > Bill Adams > > Motion Graphics/3D Design Director > > IBB Broadcast Design Center, Washington DC > > badams@ibb.gov > > 202-205-9638 > > > > 1966 Land Rover 2A 109SW Diesel > > 1981 Honda GoldWing Standard > > 1963 Pearson Vanguard > > "Practicing the ancient art of ren-ching" > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:40:43 -0500 From: Bill Caloccia Subject: LRO: another movie sighting ''they came from beyond space'' looks like an 86" british registrataion "GKK 130" location is supposed to be cornwall Filmed 1967. -B ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 09:38:15 -0800 From: Mike Cavender Subject: LRO: Disco for sale (Oregon) A friend of mine has a 95 Disco for sale, asking $13,500, (US) 78,000 miles, Beluga Black, Leather, dual sunroofs, rear seats, running boards, tyres are at 50% or better, minimal off road use, seems in pretty good nick, Body is very straight except for a couple of barely noticable creases in the rear bumper end caps, could use a good detail, the cigarette lighter needs replaced (though he has it) if anyone is interested email me.. TKS.. Mike PS... still looking for a new 235/70 michelin spare.. a couple people responded but due to a computer crash I lost their emails ....m ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:58:06 -0800 From: "Scott Lambert" Subject: LRO: Paint Removal I recently disassembled the rear door of my 109 SW to repair all of the cracks in the door frame. I'm about ready to reskin the door and would like to remove the paint from the skins before I anneal them. What's the best way to remove the paint? Chemicals? Cheers, Scott Lambert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:00:48 -0600 From: Vel Natarajan Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Joy in Rover land On Fri, Mar 02, 2001 at 04:19:59PM -0500, Easton Trevor A wrote: > > Five miles away rests a 67 Series II SWB > with a Chevy 327 V8 in it. That is 5.25 liters. It has not run for 16 years > and is > staggeringly straight and rust free. It is a Left Hand Drive model with all > manner of > spares. It needs a cosmetic restoration. It might need a new engine. It has > been lifted > rather drastically and has huge tires on it. > > Now how long ago was Taylor asked his questions? Doesn't seem like 16 years > :-) I recall it was in '95 when the man, the myth, the legend, Taylor B. Sutherland esquire entertained the list with his presence. I remember because that was when I was doing my ex-pat assignment in Swindon and searching for a LR. (I was lurking on the list for about a year before that, gathering knowledge before buying.) Amazing that the kid still brings back memories to folks on the list, even after 6 years. Vel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 16:02:58 -0700 From: "Tim Czajka" Subject: LRO: Re: Marin on LR Internet unity? Marin Faure wrote: >The CJ-5/6 were FAR superior to the CJ-7. > Ouch - that's grease vs. oil in the swivel ball material for CJ owners:) Start a CJ-5 vs. CJ-7 thread on a Jeep list and the flames can burn for weeks! I do wish they still offered CJ-6/8 type models - similar to how Land Rover offers various Defender wheelbases in other parts of the world. Tim Czajka 1972 Series III 88 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:12:20 -0800 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Old soldiers (was Hurricanes) Date: 2 Mar 2001 11:59:34 -0800 From: Bryan Hoult Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Re: RE: Hurricanes (was what's changed) On Fri, 02 March 2001, "Frank Elson" wrote: >>but I find it fascinating that such a >thing could still >remain secret. >It's a testamonial to the character of previous generations. It's not just that generation. A pretty good indication of whether or not a person of my generation was really involved in the "real" stuff in Vietnam is if he talks about it. It's been my observation that the guys who really did the work, covert or otherwise, rarely talk about it outside of their own circle. The ones who are ready to tell everyone about their incredible escapades were usually assigned to a desk far in the rear. _________________________________________ C. Marin Faure Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services telephone (425)393-7721 mobile (206)650-5622 fax: (425)393-7741 e-mail: marin.faure@boeing.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 18:17:21 -0500 From: "d.h.lowe" Subject: Re: LRO: Some LR Internet unity? My read on the Subs deal was that the Brits get the Suffield Base at a discount rent. The Brits are plowing big bucks into upgrading the facilities at Wainwright by the way. Including new Tank sheds ? Curious because there are no tanks at Wainright. Dave lroml@minbar.4fold.org wrote: > On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, N Forbes wrote: > > > Dixon, I've always wonder why Land Rover didn't offer the Defender/Wolf > > range in CKD kits that could be assembled in Canada. That would > > significantly increase the Canadian content. > > Defence procurement, whether in Canada or elsewhere is an entire world > unto itself. I could fill volumes on some of these things. Canada is not > immune. The US, the UK, et al all engage in these games with great > regularity. Put it this way. LR could offer the Wolf for free and it > would probably not be taken up. The Krauts offered us Leopard II's for > free, the Yanks have offered to lease us guided missile frigates for a > dollar a year, the Brits offered us the new subs for free (we are buying > them)... But, the politicians won't accept this kind of perceived > handout, yet at the same time won't put the money where it is needed. If > you really want to get into the murkey aspects, check out military > vis-a-vis the aerospace industry and the games there. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:23:36 -0800 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Schofield Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:12:50 -0500 From: James Schenck Subject: LRO: Schofield >We often frequented "East Rain" as we called because everytime we were their training (every other week) it was pissing on us, ya know that nice Hawaiian mountain rain. Don't know if you're talking about the same area, but back in the '70s I and my friends drove all through the Koolau mountains east of Wahiawa in my SIII on the training roads that wound for miles in and out of the valleys. We were up there once when a couple of Cobras were firing live missiles over the ridge we were driving on at a target of some sort on the next ridge. You could drive for days up there and not be on the same road twice. Great stuff, but I don't know if the area is still open. We got in through the pineapple fields via a cable gate that we put our own padlock on. We were escorted out once by a tank that was on maneuvers on the roads. The tank commander took us to a field HQ, where everyone acted real pissed at us until we told them we worked for KGMB-TV. KGMB at that time had just added a pretty female news anchor named Linda Coble. The officer in charge of the training group asked us if we knew Linda, which we of course did. After getting all the information he could about her out of us, he said, "Okay, you'll have to leave today because we're conducting exercises and it is government-controlled property and civilians aren't allowed up here. Incidentally, we never conduct exercises in this area on Sundays. Now you're not supposed to be up here at all, but if you come up on Sundays, I guess there's no way we'd ever see you, is there?" Or words to that effect. So from then on, we drove the whole training area on Sundays and never had a problem. It's probably a lot different now..... _________________________________________ C. Marin Faure Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services telephone (425)393-7721 mobile (206)650-5622 fax: (425)393-7741 e-mail: marin.faure@boeing.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 19:29:25 -0400 From: john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca (John Cranfield) Subject: Re: LRO: Some LR Internet unity? "d.h.lowe" wrote: > > My read on the Subs deal was that the Brits get the Suffield Base at a > discount rent. The Brits are plowing big bucks into upgrading the facilities > at Wainwright by the way. Including new Tank sheds ? Curious because there are > no tanks at Wainright. > Dave Tanks coming? Hmmmm lots of luverly surplus tanks parts for some lucky soul in the future. Eh Dave? John and Muddy ------------------------------ Date: 2 Mar 2001 16:08:35 -0800 From: Bryan Hoult Subject: Re: LRO: Old soldiers (was Hurricanes) On Fri, 02 March 2001, "Faure, Marin" wrote: >It's been my observation that >the guys who really did the work, >covert or otherwise, rarely talk about >it outside of their own circle. The >ones who are ready to tell everyone >about their incredible escapades were >usually assigned to a desk far >in the rear. Too true. I suppose my association with character and previous generations is partially a by-product of my disappointment with the lack of such association with people of my generation. These are generalities of course, but hyperbole (especially in american society) has become the root of all expression. No wonder we have feelings of inadequacy from time to time. Bryan ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:25:01 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: LRO: RE: Schofield > Don't know if you're talking about the same area, but back in the > '70s I and my friends drove all through the Koolau mountains east > of Wahiawa in my SIII on the training roads that wound for miles > in and out > of the valleys. We were up there once when a couple of Cobras > were firing live missiles over the ridge we were driving on at a target > of some sort on the next ridge. You could drive for days up there and > not be on the same road twice. Great stuff, but I don't know if > the area is still open. We got in through the pineapple fields via a > cable gate that we put our own padlock on. Sounds like East Range. Range Control told us "only on weekends, and only if there is no training going on" We are planning on heading there for our next trip. Finally got the photos from Keana Point up http://www.aloharovers.com/keana.htm You can see just a bit of the axle play I am getting. Will try and get some better photos next time. Pete ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 20:29:42 -0400 From: Con P Seitl Subject: Re: LRO: RE: unity... lroml@minbar.4fold.org wrote: > . ARLOC published a list in the mid seventies...... ALROC , one and the same I think........... Con Seitl 1973 III 88 "Pig" 1991 RR "hers" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 19:39:51 -0500 From: "d.h.lowe" Subject: Re: LRO: Some LR Internet unity? Grrrr. I down`t want to tok abowt it. (With apologies to the Gods Must be Crazy) Dave John Cranfield wrote: > "d.h.lowe" wrote: > > > > My read on the Subs deal was that the Brits get the Suffield Base at a > > discount rent. The Brits are plowing big bucks into upgrading the facilities > > at Wainwright by the way. Including new Tank sheds ? Curious because there are > > no tanks at Wainright. > > Dave > > Tanks coming? Hmmmm lots of luverly surplus tanks parts for some lucky > soul in the future. Eh Dave? > John and Muddy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 21:10:08 -0800 From: christian147@juno.com Subject: Re: LRO: KLR 650 info. AH, yes - Saturday afternoons in front of the TV with a 2-liter bottle of Coca-Cola, a large pepperoni pizza and a mate or three to laugh at the Creature Double Feature on channel 56... aj"Isn't that what UHF TV was for?"r Yea, then PBS got a hold of it. I think it is "It came form the deep" one of the monsters is wearing Nike shoes. They pay those sea monsters too much. Chris hall ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 23:39:00 -0500 From: artbitt@netscape.net Subject: LRO: Brit trains Scott wrote: I'd even ride on the outside in your part of the world if the train was moving slow enough to enjoy the scenery and if I was wearing my Barbour. Cheers, Scott Lambert Would be ok until the first low, humpback bridge came along... Rode the trains all the time when I was stationed over in England (LR content-rode the train from Banbury to Leamington Spa to pick up the "Aardvark"). Loved the DMU's-only train that shifts gears! Remember a trip from Banbury to Paddington Station (London) Coming back we got on an old coach with the compartments; quite a cozy ride home with a sweet young thing taking a snooze on your shoulder in the dark... Not quite the same on a Intercity 125-tried... Art Bitterman 1960 SII "Aardvark" - -- Art Bitterman __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 00:48:06 -0400 From: "Bruce D. Fowler" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: RE: Unity...(C'mon guys....) - -----Original Message----- From: Alan Richer : :Just remember you found Mr. Churchill"s chassis there. : :Bruce : :Yes, I know - and I've spent the past 6 months with a 50-gallon drum of :holy water trying to exorcise the demons out of it.... : :This just AIN'T working.....8*) : Nope....... and another 50 gallons won't get you very far....... You are approaching the chassis with the wrong religious beliefs. Treat Mr. Churchill's new /used chassis as a levirate marriage and perform a chalitza, and they will forever be happy :-) Bruce F We were put on this earth to affirm that clothes do not make the man and cleanliness is not next to godliness. We cheerfully acknowl- edge that there is a proper place for suits and ties, but no one has yet dug a hole big enough to bury them all. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 02:38:00 -0500 (EST) From: Subject: Re: LRO: Some LR Internet unity? On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Frank Elson wrote: > could you elucidate please? It is obvious, Dave must begin immediately to practice with elocution, as there have been far too many multi-syllabific words like "marmalade" for his embattled, yet delicate, brain to handle... Without such practice, I fear entrophy will set in and he will remain completely incoherent when it comes to the truth of his Land Rover related actions, including those patents he took out on the V7 Rover engine whilst he was employeed as a young lass in Liverpool... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 20:54:05 -0000 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: LRO: Re: Logo Needed You won't (shouldn't) find it anywhere other than the official L/R site. They've been very tough on who uses it recently. Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW - ----- Original Message ----- From: asfco To: Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 1:36 PM Subject: LRO: Logo Needed > I am designing a new ham radio QSL card and would like to put a LR logo > on it . can anyone point me to a webpage with one on it? > would save me lots of searching > Rgds > Steve '68 lla > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 19:18:29 -0000 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: Re: LRO: Shoddy parts. are you sure you don't want this bridge? Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW - ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus To: Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 12:22 PM Subject: Re: LRO: Shoddy parts. > > > 7 cylinder Diesel: > > Yes, and whoever mentioned the coal-firing was spot-on on that. The whole > system was rather ingenious actually. > > The beast was really designed for railroad use in third-world countries. > The owner of a fleet of them (usually a railroad company running steam > locomotives) would take all the fines and such from his coal-sorting > operation and feed it into a pulverizer. This would then be cleaned and > stored in bulk hoppers for the Rovers. > > The Rovers were dual-tanked - a small tank for kero/Diesel and a larger one > for the powdered coal. The engines would be started on Diesel, and once > operating temperatures were reached the injectors would be shut off and the > coal would be metered into the intake air stream. > > This would be inhaled by the cylinders, compressed, and the hot spot in the > heads would set it off. Noisy and dirty, yes, but other than he starting > Diesel it was essentially a cost-free system to operate. > > ajr > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 19:22:48 -0000 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: Re: LRO: Shoddy parts. John, you haven't got a bridge I can buy have you? Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW - ----- Original Message ----- From: John Cranfield To: Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 12:51 PM Subject: Re: LRO: Shoddy parts. > > > christian147@juno.com wrote: > > > > That's the one. Of course not many know about it. > > John and Muddy > > > > Easton Trevor A wrote: > > > > > > This is the 3412cc Dual Carburetter V7 > > > > I heard it was coal dust fueled, so how do those Carburetter work? > > > > Chris hall > > It operates on the triple zone ionizing principle. > By inonizing every third molecule the coal dust is able to mimic the > properties of a liquid. > This is repeated three times and the the resulting liquid > fuel is fed into a 2 barrel carb with the effect that an excess of 1/3 > the required amount of fuel is produced. > This promising technology has been systematically covered > up by a conspiracy of the major oil companies > John and Muddy > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 19:27:39 -0000 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Some LR Internet unity? I can't ever remember NOT getting an answer to a problem posted to this list. If I didn't get a handful of mails telling me how to do it I got a handful of urls pointing me in the right direction. Ain't that unity? Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW - ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus To: Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 12:56 PM Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Some LR Internet unity? > > >(I drive past Dixon's house every morning on the > >way to work). > > You poor thing - hope the shielding holds..... > > >But even then I've spent many hours looking for good info, > >trying to get an idea of the scope of a certain repair, trying to find if > >there are any tips or tricks that relate to my particular problems with > >little success. A central place where I could start would have been very > >useful. Maybe I won't need it once I've had my truck for 5 or 10 years, > but > >that's not the case yet! > > It is there - have any of you asking this question even taken a good look > at the RoverWeb? The arrangement bay be eclectic but a bit of searching > will usually get you what you want in short order. There is a LOT of > information there. > > Speaking as one who has contributed one or two or three (dozen) articles to > the RoverWeb, newsletters, magazine or two and the like, personally I think > the big problem is getting people to actually WRITE THE DAMN STUFF. > > I like to write - done a lot of it, some fiction, some not. Most humna > beings would rather have root canal without anesthesia than put pen to > paper and actually write a frigging article or two for the instruction and > entertainment of their fellows in a group. > > When I got started rebuilding Mr. Churchill way back when (1994-5???) there > wasn't all that much available - and rather than railing to the stars about > it I decided to change it. What was out there was good - but rather than > trying to reshuffle that or complaining that it didn't have what I needed I > decided to just start adding to it. > > The first bit I wrote was about Lucas windshield wiper motors - how to > clean them up and rebuild them. Being trained as an electrial engineer (as > well as a theologian - handy with Lucas)it was something I knew well and > could write about with some authority. Other articles came from the > information I garnered from this forum - the bit on adding a GM alternator > came from information given to me by a departed list member Bill Grouell, > if I remember correctly. > > None of it was published, none of it was neatly available in one spot - > hell, the SPOTS didn't even exist back that far. However, bit by bit I > helped add to the written store of knowledge. Many of you have benefitted > from it over the years, from the email i've gotten. > > I'm not alone in this by any stretch of the imagination - I'm just > detailing what I've done. There are many others in this community much like > me - folks who know how to do what they do and have the wit and dedication > to write about it. > > Structure and centralization has sweet-jack-all to do with it. All of the > neat, tidy structure in the world is going to do you NO good if content > isn't there. Content is the name of the game - and if it's not added to and > doesn't grow as time goes on then it serves no one well. > > In short, instead of going on about structure and "taking over" and > "reorganizing" try contributing useful data. The medium is NOT the message. > > ajr > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 19:21:04 -0000 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: Re: LRO: KLR 650 info. you forgot the classic of all time, 'The Creature From the Black Lagoon' Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW - ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus To: Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 12:31 PM Subject: Re: LRO: KLR 650 info. > > who me? what do I ever take seriously? > Best Cheers > > Frank > > You mean, other than rattling my cage about picnic tables? 8*) > > Bad SF and the movies made thereof is an art form in and of > itself....Godzilla movies being a classic example. > > AH, yes - Saturday afternoons in front of the TV with a 2-liter bottle of > Coca-Cola, a large pepperoni pizza and a mate or three to laugh at the > Creature Double Feature on channel 56... > > aj"Isn't that what UHF TV was for?"r > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 01 03:30:26 -0800 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: LRO: Here's a puzzle. >I noticed the brochure indicates that the LWB models have two leading >shoes on the front wheels. What does that mean? One wheel cylinder per shoe. TeriAnn Wakeman Marigold Ltd. Santa Cruz, California Web design, site updating, testing webmaster@overlander.net search engine optimization, graphics and more http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 08:46:14 -0500 From: Easton Trevor A Subject: RE: LRO: Shoddy parts. Frank asked John, you haven't got a bridge I can buy have you? Best Cheers Bridge? Does he ever have a bridge. Just the job for day trips to France. Though it might come up just a little short. No problem for the V7 Sea Rover though. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 08:54:15 -0500 From: "d.h.lowe" Subject: Re: LRO: Some LR Internet unity? LIVERPOOL !!!!! that`s it D.K. How dare you accuse me of being a scouser. What a low blow. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 12:52:29 -0500 (EST) From: Subject: Re: LRO: Some LR Internet unity? On Sat, 3 Mar 2001, d.h.lowe wrote: > LIVERPOOL !!!!! that`s it D.K. How dare you accuse me of being a > scouser. What a low blow. Yet your time there was so productive! I have seen the patent applications for the fuel delivery system for the coal fired Rover V7. >From the drop chute in the rear into which you shovel the raw coal, the properly shaped coal bin under the rear bed of the Rover with the auger that delivers the coal in a powder to the engine via that rube goldberg looking arragements of conveyor belts and miniture archemedian screws. I am a bit confused thought with the quick start mechanism. It seems to indicate the addition of some diesel fuel to the coal dust, creating a slurry which can be pumped rapidly into all of the cylinders for that extra get up and go. It almost seems as if you were replacing the concept of nitrous with diesel fuel for the V7. Ingenious! Dixon PS, At least the patent applications indicated the use of lots of polished brass fittings. Alan would have been pleased and should immediately run out and fetch that engine from the stream. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 17:13:34 GMT From: Paul Subject: Re: LRO: Marin on LR Internet unity? In article <563C1B129660A542947B7DB4B3630CD4021B1CAF@xch-nw-07.nw.nos.boeing.com>, Marin Faure wrote: > This reminds me of a conversation > I had with the flight crew on the flight deck of a British > Airways 747-200 enroute to London who spent a lot of time > telling me that the 747-400 is total crap, and that the only > good plane ever made was the -200. I suspect had they > been transferred to the -400 fleet, within a few months they > would have been telling me that the -200 was total crap.) > That is very true. Once the "Classic" boys get used to the 747-436 they do not have a good word to say for the 747-236. But 747-436 ex-first officers who get promoted to Captain on the 777 claim the 777 is the pick of the fleet (especially with Rolls-Royce Trents fitted!). Beauty is in the eye of the beholder? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 17:49:38 GMT From: Paul Subject: Re: LRO: J**P question In article , Easton Trevor A wrote: > The Grand Cherokee (Selectrac, 2wd, 4wd PT, 4wd FT, 4wd low) we are looking > at exhibits the locked centre diff symptoms (tyre scrub/transmission hop) in > all Tcase positions when turning tightly. The dealer tells me that is normal > but I think he's FOS. Any lurking jeep owners out there care to comment. Off > list of course. I don't want you to embarass yourself in public forum. > Certainly does not sound right. My kid brother has a 1996 XJ Cherokee. That sometimes takes a while to go fully between selections. I understand it is a vacuum system with an accumulator bottle behind the bumper. Compared to the Mitsubishi system it is very slow & clunky, but gets there in the end, PROVIDED there is no leaks in the vacuum lines. I would never believe a dealer who came out with "They all do that" especially if he is A: selling the vehicle or B: trying to avoid a warranty claim! Go and try another one somewhere else! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 18:17:29 -0000 From: "Phil Norris" Subject: Re: LRO: Some LR Internet unity? There are scousers reading this list..... me, for one ( well 1/2 scouse..) Don't tar us all with any dubious brushes!!! ;-)) PhilN 110 V8 SW LPG - -----Original Message----- From: d.h.lowe To: lro@Works.Team.Net Date: 03 March 2001 13:55 Subject: Re: LRO: Some LR Internet unity? >LIVERPOOL !!!!! that`s it D.K. How dare you accuse me of being a scouser. What >a low blow. >Dave > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 11:08:34 -0000 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: LRO: Re: Old soldiers (was Hurricanes) know what you mean. Every pub in the UK has one guy, usually short-cropped hair, who 'used to be in the SAS' - yeah, right! Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW - ----- Original Message ----- From: Faure, Marin To: 'Land Rover Mail Group' Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 11:12 PM Subject: LRO: Old soldiers (was Hurricanes) > Date: 2 Mar 2001 11:59:34 -0800 > From: Bryan Hoult > Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Re: RE: Hurricanes (was what's changed) > > On Fri, 02 March 2001, "Frank Elson" wrote: > > >>but I find it fascinating that such a >thing could still > >remain secret. > > >It's a testamonial to the character of previous generations. > > It's not just that generation. A pretty good indication of whether > or not a person of my generation was really involved in the "real" > stuff in Vietnam is if he talks about it. It's been my observation that > the guys who really did the work, covert or otherwise, rarely talk about > it outside of their own circle. The ones who are ready to tell everyone > about their incredible escapades were usually assigned to a desk far > in the rear. > > _________________________________________ > C. Marin Faure > Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services > telephone (425)393-7721 > mobile (206)650-5622 > fax: (425)393-7741 > e-mail: marin.faure@boeing.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 11:10:13 -0000 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: LRO: Re: another movie sighting ''they came from beyond space'' It was Cornwall - I remember a story on the vehicle that was in the film in one of the mags many years ago. Now that is a 'good' bad film. Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Caloccia To: Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 10:40 PM Subject: LRO: another movie sighting ''they came from beyond space'' > > looks like an 86" british registrataion "GKK 130" > location is supposed to be cornwall > > Filmed 1967. > -B > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 19:24:20 -0000 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: LRO: Re: shock! Horror! I really couldn't comment ! Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW - ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Rogers To: Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 5:29 PM Subject: LRO: shock! Horror! > Just went to collect my copy of LRM from the newsagents and they had saved > me a copy of LRO instead, and no LRM on the shelf. How will I fill the > weekend. > > Mike Rogers > Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid > Gearleverless 110 project > (if you can't get there in a Land Rover you can't get there) > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 16:02:02 -0000 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Re: RE: Hurricanes (was what's changed) I accept what you say. I learned a heck of a lot in the Fifties about the Desert War... from the three great aunts who all lost their husbands. I learned more since by reading etc. I learned next to nothing from the many blokes locally who'd been in the War. I was too young to know about the Korean 'police action' at the time - I did know my uncle was greeted by a big family party 'cos he'd been away somewhere. It was only when he died in the 1970's that I found out he'd been in Korea... Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan Hoult To: Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 7:59 PM Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Re: RE: Hurricanes (was what's changed) > On Fri, 02 March 2001, "Frank Elson" wrote: > > >but I find it fascinating that such a >thing could still > >remain secret. > > It's a testamonial to the character of previous generations. For the most part, they understood the gravity of the situation and considered honoring thier word more important than revealing some "tasty bits" to inflate their image. I marvel at my father's stoicism regulary. He's a WWII vet-of British descent(of course). If I had half of the war time adventures he did, you would have had a hard time shutting me up. Then again, if I'd had half of the war time adventure, I would know better than to go around crowing. The only way we ever got a story was if an old relative or friend came by and began reminiscing. Even then we never heard the whole harrowing tale. > > Bryan > 62 88 > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 19:34:44 -0000 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Joy in Rover land I'm amazed it was that long ago. Doesn't time fly when you're having fun. Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW - ----- Original Message ----- From: Vel Natarajan To: Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 11:00 PM Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Joy in Rover land > On Fri, Mar 02, 2001 at 04:19:59PM -0500, Easton Trevor A wrote: > > > > Five miles away rests a 67 Series II SWB > > with a Chevy 327 V8 in it. That is 5.25 liters. It has not run for 16 years > > and is > > staggeringly straight and rust free. It is a Left Hand Drive model with all > > manner of > > spares. It needs a cosmetic restoration. It might need a new engine. It has > > been lifted > > rather drastically and has huge tires on it. > > > > Now how long ago was Taylor asked his questions? Doesn't seem like 16 years > > :-) > > I recall it was in '95 when the man, the myth, the legend, Taylor > B. Sutherland esquire entertained the list with his presence. I > remember because that was when I was doing my ex-pat assignment in > Swindon and searching for a LR. (I was lurking on the list for about > a year before that, gathering knowledge before buying.) Amazing that > the kid still brings back memories to folks on the list, even after 6 > years. > > Vel > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 19:21:19 -0000 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: LRO: Re: Re: UK trains You write: >>why has the > UK rail system seemingly been so neglected in the recent past, while other > European countries from my observation are putting quite a bit of emphasis <<< The simple answer is that it hasn't been neglected since the Labour Gov came in... It was neglected for the years before that, firstly, as I said before, by the passengers (I used to have a choice, a two hour train journey which got me up at a weird hour and to work earlier than I wanted to, or a 1 hr 15 minute drive, door to door) and also by successive Tory Governments who were anti-nationalisation, anti-railways (they all had big cars) and anti-unions. As the Railway Unions were very militant the industry they worked in had to be broken to break them (same thing with the miners, the coal industry was wrecked to wreck the power of the unions). you also write: >>But the impression of most of the UK residents I talk to on a regular basis is that the UK rail system is slowly, or rapidly in some of their opinions, falling apart. These are people who take the trains daily in the London area. My acquaintances have also bemoaned what they feel is a far-too-excessive closure of rail lines to secondary destinations.<<< I used to use London trains regularly. They have always been a special case, quite different to the rest of the country. I mentioned unions before. I knew a handful of railway workers - they were the laziest, most workshy people I knew. They believed that a job on a nationalised industry was a job for life, the waste was appalling and their job satisfaction was nil. I used to catch the first train in a morning out of one station. Regularly that train did not run because the driver simply didn't turn up. Management never got the message so there was no back up. In the 1960s branch lines were closed all over the country by Dr Beeching, he decimated the train system, but then, people were not catching the trains at the time. When, later, people wanted to catch trains there were no lines. I am not aware of any closures of secondary lines since that time. To get back to the safety issue. The moaning I hear about the railways these days are all about trains running late, or not turning up - not about accidents. We have had, in the past ten years, a handful of well publicised accidents on the railways in this country. But only a handful compared to massive motorway pile-ups every Autumn when fog hits the country. Last week's train accident killed ten people (revised down from the original 13 when they got the body bits out and added them together) that was out of a train of more than 200 passengers. On the same day an airplane crashed in the North and killed all five on board. I don't know if your Times reported that - I have spoken to people in this country who didn't know about it - but I know which accident I would rather have been in. World-wide railway travel is inefficient (stations are never where you want them to be, trains never run at the times you want them to) and the only railway system in the world that makes a profit, nationalised or private, is Japan. The larger the country, however, (like France), the more people used to use the trains - until air travel became cheaper. Therefore, the more is spent on them. Rail travel in the UK is a minority travelling system it will always struggle as a result no matter how much is spent on it. Today it will cost one quarter of the rail fare to catch a coach from the centre of Manchester to the centre of London. It will only cost a few pounds more than the rail fare to fly from the edge of Manchester to the edge of London. If four people go in a car, sharing the fuel, it costs one sixteenth of the train fare to drive door to door... (of course there's nowhere to park near that door in London!) Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW - ----- Original Message ----- From: Faure, Marin To: 'Land Rover Mail Group' Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 7:45 PM Subject: LRO: Re: UK trains > Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:05:32 -0000 > From: "Frank Elson" > Subject: LRO: Re: UK trains > > You write: >>>I'd venture the UK has per capita more train > miles covered daily than the us, and in a smaller, denser (population > wise) area. Hence more twain wrecks. > > This is true, but France has just as many trains and just as > compact an area,<<< > > >no way. Get an atlas out and have a look at the size of France and the size > of the UK. I think it's something like seven times bigger in area... > > Granted, I'm definitely off-base about the geographic area thing. Nevertheless, > both countries are similar in that they have extensive passenger rail systems, > and a lot of people use them. So my question still stands..... > on upgrading their rail Perhaps a more apples and apples comparison > in terms of area would be Switzerland. Of course, most of that country is > vertical, but they have a rail system that's the envy of the world. The UK has > a remarkable rail network; with all the emphasis on the environment now, I'm > surprised the UK isn't out overhauling the system like mad to make it as clean, > efficient, and user-friendly as the systems across the Channel. Could it > be because the UK rail system has been privatized and there is a big rush to > maximize profits? So far as I'm aware, the SNCF, RER, Metro, etc. in France > are all government operations, as is the Deutsche Bahn (DB) in Germany. Maybe that's > the difference. What do you think? > > > _________________________________________ > C. Marin Faure > Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services > telephone (425)393-7721 > mobile (206)650-5622 > fax: (425)393-7741 > e-mail: marin.faure@boeing.com > ------------------------------ End of LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #257 **********************************************