From lopezba@atnet.at Sun Dec 31 09:54:14 1995 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 09:54:14 +0100 From: lopezba@atnet.at Subject: Re: Headliners Dear fellow addicts, We had this thread about absorbent headliners some days ago, and I hope nobody was disappointed when Craddock could not deliver (although in my experience, they would send you the wrong stuff anyway). However, going thru the December issue of LRO magazine I found an ad Stop Condensation Now! Fit LaSalle Interior Trim. Tel/Fax 01974 831 639 No joke this time! Honest Injun! Doesnt look like it has valves, though... All the best for the coming year Peter Hirsch SI 107in S/W From lopezba@atnet.at Sun Dec 31 16:09:57 1995 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 16:09:57 +0100 From: lopezba@atnet.at Subject: Re: SI for sale Mark Talbot wrote: >All, >I have come across a nice S1 for sale, early 80 " with small instrument panel. [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)] >50's Land Rover >Any feed back would be helpful from S1 owners in the states Mark - I am not from the states, but if the frame is sound, I would snap it up. Sounds like a steal to me. Good luck Peter Hirsch SI 107in S/W From Russell Burns Sun Dec 31 7:33:30 1995 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 95 7:33:30 PST From: Russell Burns Subject: Re: 88 RR: Self-emptying washer fluid reservoir On my 91 R-rover the check valve is built into the tee where the supply line fits. I broke mine, and tried to replace it with a standard tee from the hardware store, only to find the headlight washers dribbling on the floor. I believe a new tee is $15.oo from RN. Russ Burns 91 Range Rover 94 D-90 > To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net [ truncated by lro-digester (was 21 lines)] > Stefan > From "Walter C. Swain" Sun Dec 31 12:38:41 1995 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 12:38:41 -0800 (PST) From: "Walter C. Swain" Subject: Re: looking for 109 frame Hi Rob, and welcome to the world of lro-lite editing. You have just learned the hard way that you cannot forward documents to the list/digest unless you take out the ">" marks first. It will retain only the first and last two lines. This can be a bit annoying, but it does serve a useful purpose with all the redundant materials that are forwarded by those of us who can't find the delete key. One other thing that too many of us "forget" to include when discussing the need for or availability of large, heavy and bulky items is our location. As with real estate, location is an important variable, especially on a worldwide list like this. So give it another shot, and let us know why you are the CarDoctor? Rgds, Walt Swain * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Walter C. Swain | wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us * * Davis Community Network | 1988 Range Rover * * Davis, California | 1967 109 Series IIA Safari SW * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * On Sat, 30 Dec 1995, Robert Davis wrote: > >Hi > > I am Rob & new to this digest. However as I have never found any [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] > > Regards & thanks > > Rob From CarDoctor@gnn.com (Robert Davis) Sun Dec 31 23:55:06 1995 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 23:55:06 From: CarDoctor@gnn.com (Robert Davis) Subject: Re: Looking for 109 frame Hi I am Rob & new to this digest. My family call me the car doctor because it seem I am aways working to heal some sickly car. They even claim I make house calls, can you believe it? However as I have never found any Land Rover owner who would refuse to help another owner with a problem if he can. I hope some one out there will be able to help me. My father owns a 1968 109 three door land rover which needs a frame badly. (not drivable) This is more then just a project needing parts. I am using this project to get my Father busy after a stroke this year. Money is tight for me and I need to locate & purchase a useable used frame that I can repair for his LR. This will keep him active for at least the coming year. I am hoping to find one here in the US because transport could make it to expensive to obtain. I expect to drive from Chicago to get the frame when I find one. If anyone knows where I could locate a frame please email me with. as much information as you have. I know that new frames are available but they are to expensive at this time. I enjoy reading the news from other users. I have loved british cars for twenty years. I hope to hear from someone in the future. Regards & thanks Rob From LTC Larry Smith Sun Dec 31 19:56:38 1995 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 95 19:56:38 EST (0056Z) From: LTC Larry Smith Subject: Corgi 109 Model Robin, Forgot to ask you earlier today (and now also members of the LRO), but I have a Corgi 109 (Model 438?) that I can't seem to track down. Got Dr. Force's Corgi book for Christmas. While reading thru it, I found one of two 109 utes I bought last fall, but not the other. They appear to be the same (#438) 109 green w/white interior and bonnet mounted spare. One has the peened over spun wheel centers. The other has peened over spun wheel centers on the front and pressed on DUALS on the rear. Appears to be "correct" with Corgi tyres, but am not sure. Is this an "after market" addition? Dr. Force states that there are lots of variations, but... The "correct" truck has semismooth tyres (small tread pattern with a large center bar) while the Dually has wide profile tyres with distinct "street" pattern. Don't get me wrong, I'm very happy with my purchase, but as with all Series Land Rover Owners, just trying to track my vehicle's heritage. Best New Years Wishes to All, Larry From gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Sun Dec 31 18:17:34 1995 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 18:17:34 -0800 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: WTB fresh Range Rover I wish I could say that I'm personally looking to buy a near-new Range Rover for myself, From Lloyd Allison Mon Jan 1 20:29:09 1996 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 20:29:09 +1100 (EST) From: Lloyd Allison Subject: Rangie fuel tank sender Chris Haslam has wiring diagrams for the '88 RR which may or may not help (available on the web at http://www.cs.monash.edu.au/~lloyd/tildeLand-Rover/RR/Haslam/ also with his email address.) Lloyd From Oscar Mon Jan 01 19:48:32 1996 Date: Mon, 01 Jan 1996 19:48:32 +0800 From: Oscar Subject: WTB fresh Range Rover G : Try http://www.Classifieds2000.com/. Appears to be CA based. Saw a couple of Discos and Rangies there last month. Hell, don't know why I bothered looking.....am 15,000(?) miles away. Have a great '96 all!! Oscar >>On Sun, 31 Dec 1995 Granville B. Pool wrote : >>I wish I could say that I'm personally looking to buy a near-new Range Rover.... omont@mnl.sequel.net 75247.2423@compuserve.com From jpappa01@interserv.com Mon Jan 1 06:51:45 1996 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 06:51:45 -0800 From: jpappa01@interserv.com Subject: Re: 1996 News Just scanned the latest LRO Magazine and saw: a- The last of the Classic Rangeys. Only 25 (talk about limited edition) of them total and none for NA. All chromed up and with Oxford Blue paint and special badging. I guess its special because UK price is 40000 quid!!! Does this at least inlcude VAT?? Whoever buys them should most certainly plan on keeping them.... forever! If you could keep one pristine (i.e. - use a not-so-rare one to play in) then over time it will be a piece desired by many collectors. But wow - 40K puts you right at NAS 4.6HSE territory. b- The *new* Discovery XS. Its easy to see the choice of this designator. *XS* truly means excess - as in wretched? I would argue that the body side treatment borders on Jeep Grand Cherokee slabs and is quite hideous. The wider wheelarch molding is the same as we were installing on vehicles last year and LRNA withdrew same due to poor glue performance. I can assume that its availability again means that the glue issue has been resolved? The new *soft* Euro brush guard is shown on it. Similar in material and look to the poly unit on the newbody Range Rover, this I like. An alternative. It would be great if the NAS network had eventual access to both. The price for this XS with airbags and automatic puts it over 41,000 bucks! Perhaps US/CDN owners won't mind so much investing 38500 for an SE7 which in addition to the XS, gives you the 4.0 engine! The XS is fitted with last year's NAS 3.9 V8. c- HAPPY NEW YEAR to everyone in the BSROA, everyone on the list, and LROs everywhere! cheerz Jim - just warming up for 1996! `67 2A 88 5.0L hybrid `67 2A 109 5.0L hybrid `68 2B 110 F/C diesel `70 P6B 3500S `90 Range Rover County `93 D110 (#457/500) `95 D90 #1958 From Chris Haslam Mon Jan 1 11:38:07 1996 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 11:38:07 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Haslam Subject: Self-emptying Washer Reservoir Thanks for the help. I attached a piece of 3/8" hose, plugged at the end, to the "power" washer, and disconnected the pump electrically. This should get me through to spring. (If we haven't entered another ice age!) ...chris haslam Montreal, Canada P.S. Can anyone tell me how I send email to a compuserve address? Pine expects a comma to separate addresses, and CompuServe expects a comma, not a period. From Dixon Kenner Mon Jan 1 14:23:12 1996 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 14:23:12 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re: 1996 News On Mon, 1 Jan 1996 jpappa01@interserv.com wrote: > Just scanned the latest LRO Magazine and saw: Read Jim Allen's latest foray into journalism? Seems there is a nasty rumour afoot that the Defender may no continue to be offered on our shores! Such shocking news, LRO must have gotten the article in the wrong issue, saving it to 1996, rather than publishing in Jan 1995. Happy New Year to all... Rgds, From lopezba@atnet.at Mon Jan 1 20:29:38 1996 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 20:29:38 +0100 From: lopezba@atnet.at Subject: Series vehicles heaters Peter Barton wrote: >Subject: Re:Give me heat!! >David at: newconcept@tcp.co.uk (David Olley at NEW CONCEPT) wrote: >> Can any of you hardy types running Series >>Landies in cold climates tell me if you have heaters that actually raise the >>temperature in the cab. >Sorry David, can't help I haven't even got one, some blighter took mine >out before I got my SIIa, so I'm still wondering what its like to be snugg >and warm. The nearest I get to heating is the trickle of warm air that comes >through the two holes in the bulkhead where the heater use to be. > So, if anybody out there can think of some form of cheap heat exchange >unit (e.g. car, domestic, or even copper pipe.) That I can stick inside >the cab just as a tempory measure, then please let me know. > Cheers, and a happy new year > Peter Barton (Wimborne Dorset) Our pampered transatlantic fellow madmen seem to have a solution called the Kodiak heater (Kodiak is an island south of Alaska with a very pleasant subtropical climate, if I remember correctly, and the heater provides the same climate inside a LR). I have no idea what it looks like, whether it is still being made or whether you can get it in the UK. However, I will post this to the lro list and see what we come up with. International co-operation! That is what this cold world needs! And a kick in the behind for a certain UK supplier of LR parts who is four weeks late on delivering my brake cylinders, so I can not take my favourite vehicle for a spin thru the 15 cm/6 inches of fresh snow here in Vienna! Hope you have a good year Peter Hirsch SI 107in S/W From Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus 1 96 Jan EST 1915 Date: 1 Jan 96 15:42:10 EST From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus Subject: Re: Series vehicles heaters Re: Kodiak Heaters: Near as I know, the original Kodiak has long since passed away. However, the company known as Rovers North in Vermont, U.S.A., makes a similar unit known as the Mansfield Heater for Series vehicles. In inspecting my catalogue, I see that this goes for the astronomical price of around 650 to 700 dollars American. At trhat price, I'd investigate putting a larger, more efficient core in the standard heater.....ow! Not into being burned that bad.... -Alan From Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus 1 96 Jan EST 1915 Date: 1 Jan 96 15:47:20 EST From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus Subject: Rust on a camshaft - Cleanup opinions? In the process of my scavenging, I ran myself up a good 2.25L engine that had some difficulties and was put aside with the valve cover off. In the 10 years or so that it sat, crud migrated down the tappet bores and caused the rollers and guides on the front 3 tappets to rust, as well as the lobes on the cam. I can replace the rollers and slides with good units I have, but I'd rather not shoot the cam... any opinions on cleaning it up and how? I was honestly thinking of glass-beading the beast to knock off the rust and letting it go at that....or a bit of crocus cloth applied through the side plates might do also. Obviously, the less disassembly I have to do the happier I am..... aj"Color me too cheap to replace it"R From JEPurnell@aol.com Mon Jan 1 18:38:27 1996 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 18:38:27 -0500 From: JEPurnell@aol.com Subject: D90 MPG on trips with 3000lb trailer Hello all, I apologize up front if this note takes up a lot of bandwidth, but I thought some fellow D90 owners would be interested. In the last 2 months I've done a lot of D90-ing, though most of it has been in "regular car" mode. I moved from Los Angeles to Madison, Wisconsin. Then I went out to Vermont and moved my sister back to Milwaukee, Wisconsin. That's a lotsa miles. Being an engineer, of course I wanted to record all the pertinent data, so instead of looking at the sights along the way, I kept track of gas mileage, ha ha. I hope the columns below have kept some kind of order so you can still read them, they are from an Excel spreadsheet. All the road driving, except one leg, was done with a 5X8 Uhaul type box trailer behind me loaded with around 2000lbs of stuff, and the trailer weighed about 750, so about 3000lbs total. The trip out to Vermont the trailer was empty. But, the trip back from Vermont was during the mid-November blizzard that hit the Northeast and Pennsylvania area. Any MPG drop might be accounted for more by conditions, than the loaded trailer: lots of idling, creeping along, and four wheeling through thick snow. Thank god for Land Rover and MudTerrain tyres. There were many 18 wheelers jackknifed and off the road into the ditch, but the trailer and I were fine. Compared to the unladen highway road miles in Los Angeles, I see about a 2 MPG (from 16 to 14) difference from having a loaded trailer on the back end of the Defender. Another difference I've noticed in MPG comes from trips at 60 mph rather than at 75 mph, this can boost mileage about 2 mpg. I guess it's the cost of pushing a barn door down the expressway... While out in Vermont, I drove up to Rovers North. They really treated me great, showed me all around, I spent about 3 hours there. I ended up buying a front wraparound grill guard, a take-off from another defender, and they even put it on for me at no charge. I expected some nominal charge even if it was rather straightforward wrenching. (I brought the tools in case I had to do it...) It really started snowing just as I left RN, and I got a great couple of pictures near their wood sign at their driveway, snow falling, etc. It really is beautiful country up there. I sure hope to try their off road school, they did a great advertising job on me. Anyone out there take their course? So heck, I must have upwards of a whopping 13,000 miles on this 1994, and other than a MIL light coming on for an out-of-range idle control valve, it has been a perfect joy. I drive it everyday, rain or snow, sun or cold. The synthetic oil I put in really made cold starting a lot better. I haven't dropped any oil since putting it in, and that's been over 2000 miles now...so much for Land Rovers being oil leakers...(I know, I know, I am both a neophyte and a fate tempter...) All I have to do now is find a job so I can keep the darn thing... Thanks. John 1994 D90, no rust yet in Wisconsin, but when do I get to take the top off again??!!?? bbbrrrrrrrrr D90 Los Angeles to Madison trip gallons $/gal location mpg 220 13.9 1.65 Baker, Ca 15.8 159 11.4 1.59 NV 13.9 128 11.6 1.42 UT 11.0 122 9.3 1.36 UT 13.1 127 9.2 1.38 UT 13.8 109 8.3 1.38 GJ, CO 13.1 150 10.6 1.59 Vail, CO 14.2 154 9.8 1.25 CO 15.7 164 12.2 1.25 NB 13.4 159 12.2 1.34 NB 13.0 172 13.4 1.38 NB 12.8 177 13.4 1.29 Des Moines, IA 13.2 137 10.6 1.19 Iowa City, IA 12.9 129 8.1 1.27 Mineral Pt, WI 15.9 miles gallons avg $/gal total trip avg MPG 2107 154.0 1.38 13.7 D90 Madison/Vermont/Madison trip gallons $/gal location mpg ****empty trailer... 147 11.6 1.279 Milw, WI 12.6 106 9.0 1.229 Indiana Trnpk 11.8 145 9.6 1.209 Portage, IN 15.1 133 8.7 1.509 Little Falls, NY 15.3 187 12.0 1.509 Clifton Spr, NY 15.6 138 8.6 1.26 Erie, PA 16.0 71 4.9 1.31 Amherst, OH 14.5 115 9.4 1.15 Stoney R, OH 12.2 63.4 4.5 1.41 Guilderland, NY 14.0 133 9.6 1.42 Manchester, VT 13.8 140 8.2 1.31 Burlington, VT 17.2 empty trailer avg MPG = 14.4 ***Loaded Trailer... 174 11.8 1.289 Montgomery, NY 14.7 132 8.5 1.349 Bennington, VT 15.5 109 8.0 1.36 Wilkes Barre, PA 13.7 112 10.6 1.399 Harford, PA 10.6 166 12.9 1.35 Mercer, PA 12.9 159 13.2 1.229 Clyde, OH 12.0 92 7.9 1.199 Montpelier, OH 11.6 121 9.7 1.22 Rolling Pr, IN 12.5 175 13.2 1.29 Shorewood, WI 13.2 loaded trailer avg MPG= 13.0 miles gallons avg $/gal total trip avg MPG 2471 180.3 1.32 13.8 From Simon Barclay Tue Jan 02 10:52:00 1996 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 96 10:52:00 EST From: Simon Barclay Subject: RE: Range Rover fuel tank sender Hi Andy I can't offer you an answer to your question re the resistance of the sender unit, but I have had a fuel supply problem in a previous RR (which was an '85 carb model). There was an amount of gung built up on the fuel pick up/filter in the tank. Access to this was gained by removing sender unit. I didn't need any special tools or to remove the tank. Just make sure the fuel level is well below the sender unit mounting and tap lightly with a screw driver to unlock the three tabs and pull it off. Installation is just the reverse. Hope this helps... Simon Barclay Sydney Australia '90 5sp RR '51 Series 1 (Louie) From rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Sun Jan 01 17:55:23 1995 Date: Sun, 01 Jan 95 17:55:23 -0500 From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Subject: Address needed for Brad Blevins Can someone email me Brad Blevins (ex editor of AW) email address please TU -- Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. | Ottawa Valley Land Rovers From rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Sun Jan 01 17:56:22 1995 Date: Sun, 01 Jan 95 17:56:22 -0500 From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Subject: where is Jimmy Patrick? Where are you Jimmy? -- Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. | Ottawa Valley Land Rovers From carley@manly.civeng.unsw.EDU.AU (James Carley - WRL Staff) Tue Jan 2 12:37:27 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 96 12:37:27 EST From: carley@manly.civeng.unsw.EDU.AU (James Carley - WRL Staff) Subject: Re: wrenches METRINCH in Australia are made in USA. I bought a set of spanners recently (socket sets are also made/sold) at an end of year sale for a pretty good price, and have since used them in the replacement of clutch master and slave cylinders on my 110. My conclusions are that they are a useful addition to a toolbox but can't completely replace other spanners. They are also useful for any rounded off nuts 'cause they act on the flats of the nuts. My 110 has the usual plethora of imperial and metric nuts, so the METRINCH set has been good for nuts which have easy access, but for some nuts which have bad access (the ones where you get 1/12 turn at a time by flipping the open ender) the inherent free play in the METRINCH spanners makes them inferior to my SIDCHROME AF and metric spanners. In the clutch cyl job there were nuts which the METRINCH couldn't do. James Carley Sydney, Australia 85 110, now carrying 3 spanner sets, plus SIDCHROME socket set and more. From Steve Rochna <75347.452@compuserve.com> 01 96 Jan EST 1921 Date: 01 Jan 96 21:00:16 EST From: Steve Rochna <75347.452@compuserve.com> Subject: Zipp"d LRO Digest G'day all. I'm mostly a lurker but also a hardcore Land Rover addict who faithfully downloads all of the daily lisings for reading whenever I get the time. My fingernails are not something my wife takes pride in showing off to her friends (honey I rebuilt the fuel pump after you went to bed last night.) Anyway I also happen to be a pilot in the U. S. Navy and as such will be leaving on deployment at the end of January. This means that I will not only be deprived of driving my Rover until August but I cannot even live vicariously through you all since I can't get my E-mail. Is there anyone out there willing to Zip and mail me the Daily Digest once or twice per month for the fee of maybe a box of disks and a case of lets say Sam Adams or Guiness? Thanks Steve Rochna soon to be "haze grey under way" (nobody ever said you had to be smart to fly) From carley@manly.civeng.unsw.EDU.AU (James Carley - WRL Staff) Tue Jan 2 14:08:49 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 96 14:08:49 EST From: carley@manly.civeng.unsw.EDU.AU (James Carley - WRL Staff) Subject: Re: New and Old Rovers In Australia (and UK from what I gather) parts backup for Rovers of all ages is excellent. Some prices are a bit ridiculous but most imported cars have this problem. I live and work ~10 km from nearest LR dealer (New Rowley Motors, Sydney, Free Plug). Within 2 to 24 hrs (depending on availability) parts get delivered to my door (the delivery is free). My only complaint is that when I bought my 2nd hand 110 I asked them about a parts manual and was told that they weren't avail. After reading UK magazines I faxed an advertiser in UK and got one. It makes obtaining parts so much easier. The parts manual has a LR part number itself but I've never tried out the dealer response to this part number. For Sydney and Aust readers, I've also found Range Parts good, generally cheaper than dealer, but delivery is usually 24 - 48 hrs and ~$10 through the postal service (or a 2 hour round drive for me). James Carley '85 110 3.9D From andy@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Andy Graham) Sun Jan 01 21:02:45 1995 Date: Sun, 01 Jan 95 21:02:45 -0500 From: andy@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Andy Graham) Subject: new member to the net Hello fellow L-R owners! My name is Andy Graham and I have been associated with LandRovers since the seventies when I purchased a '71 S2a 88".I now have a '59 S2 109"truck cab. I am also a Land Rover toy and memorabilia collecting fanatic, along with my buddy Robin Craig, who is currently my email tutuor!! oops I cant spell! I welcome any chat about toys and how I can improve my sense of direction as I was the runner up to Dixon for the Lug Nut award this year here in OVLR. So long for the minute, Andy -- Andy Graham, andy@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. | Ottawa Valley Land RoverFrom Ray Harder Tue Jan 2 06:50:10 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 06:50:10 -0600 (CST) From: Ray Harder Subject: Re: Headliners On Sun, 31 Dec 1995 lopezba@atnet.at wrote: > However, going thru the December issue of LRO magazine I found an ad > (on page 169) saying: [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)] > LaSalle Interior Trim. > Tel/Fax 01974 831 639 man, i wanted some of those plastic, molded interior trim pieces about a year ago (and choice of color). they said delivery to the states just wasn't cost feasable. it seems to me that some enterprising platic-type could reverse-engineer some molds and sell 20-30 sets... From Ray Harder Tue Jan 2 06:43:51 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 06:43:51 -0600 (CST) From: Ray Harder Subject: Re: ROAV sun visors On Sat, 30 Dec 1995 lopezba@atnet.at wrote: > Subject: Re: ROAV sun visors > David Olley wrote about sun visors: [ truncated by lro-digester (was 21 lines)] > Peter Hirsch > SI 107in S/W ivory and limestone -- hmmm. the dupont limestone paint i use always seems a tad more yellow than what i was painting. i just assumed it was because the old paint was -- well old, and bleached, faded and whatever happens to paint. but ivory -- that makes me think that maybe my roof and rims were actually ivory. i use limestone because that is what some old atlantic british newsletter said was proper. they sold the dupont paint and i managed to get the numbers out of the dupont computer, buy it locally, save a few pennies. ray harder From "barnett childress" Tue Jan 2 8:03:15 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 96 8:03:15 EST From: "barnett childress" Subject: re:Soft top vs. hard top, more. John Askes; Is a hard top on a D90 that much quieter than a soft top? I have driven a 94 with the Tickford top, a 95 with the Bestop, and a 95 with the hard top. The Tickford top was the loudest, probably due to the fact that it is not as snug fitting as the Best top. Definitely a lot more flapping. I drive 70 miles a day on the highway. My 95 D90 came with the Bestop. I have no complaints and don't feel the need for the hard top. It's not that noisy and I still have plenty of heat, (winters here in Mass.). The only reason I would think of getting the hard top would be if you are worried about security. Another option would be to convert your 94 to the bestop. It's easy to do, they just replace the snaps with the rail system. I don't know if it's true but I've heard that installation and removal of the hardtop can be a pain. On the subject of 95 (plushmobile?) changes; 1- The door checks are nice. They keep the doors open even if you get out on a sloping hill Etc. 2- The map pockets, to be honest I have never used them, yet. 3- The interior door handle recesses are larger and don't pinch your hand everytime you lift the handle. 4- The stereo is set up for a plug in multidisc CD and a subwoofer. I have seen them, heard them, and plan to get them. They don't take up any interior room and I don't think they affect the off-roadability! I listen to music everyday when on the highway, though I never seem to turn on the stereo while off road? 5- Plastic checks on the back of the seats prevent the support bar from rubbing a hole in the back of the seats. 6- Sliding door top windows and canvas top standard with better top system (no snaps to rust or pull loose from the body). 7- Rear door lock standard. Most of the changes are minor but a few of the changes they made got rid of some of the complaints I've heard from some previous owners. Does LR listen to there customers? Good luck Barnett 95 D90. From ARBLOCKER@aol.com Mon Jan 1 19:00:52 1996 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 19:00:52 -0500 From: ARBLOCKER@aol.com Subject: Fwd: discovery conversions --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: discovery conversions From Danny Phillips Tue Jan 2 13:18:48 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 96 13:18:48 GMT From: Danny Phillips Subject: a hole Dear all, hope you all had a great holiday, i did until i cleaned (yes cleaned) our discovery. i have found a hole in the wing, passenger in the uk and oz (drivers side in the countries that drive on the wrong side of the road :-)). i would say that i suspect it was caused by a closed encounter with a van at some trffic lights, as it is very difficult to see, thin and about 1" long. i don't think is is corrosion of any kind as the paint around it is not bubbling etc. i am hoping it is just where the thin ally has been scrapped over by the van against the edge of the splash guard. i realise that you chaps would have to see it to be sure, but would this sound like a reasonable guess? my question is can i just clean up the inside of the wing (its on the flat section of the wing just before it folds under). so can i clean the inside, put some duck tape on the edge of the splash guard, to leston the rubbing effect, and then apply filler from the inside and smooth on the outside and paint? or am i going to have this looked at professionally. this is really bugging me now. cheers danny. From Danny Phillips Tue Jan 2 13:22:51 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 96 13:22:51 GMT From: Danny Phillips Subject: cleaning car dear all, just to waste a bit more band width, i should also tell you about my bonnet, it only had one shiny bit that was over the turbo, the rest had dulled down, I used a polish called MER (made in germany i think) and although it has been wet since i polihed the car i think two applications have sorted out the paint or at least started. i was relictant to use tcut, a friend used it on his escort and cut through to the undercoat. cheers danny. From "Tom Rowe" Tue Jan 2 07:37:13 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 07:37:13 GMT -0600 From: "Tom Rowe" Subject: Re: 25% tarriff Sandy Grice writes: snip > You can thank Uncle Sam and Detroit lobbyists for that price tag. The > Defender as well as all off-shore 2 door sport-utes pay a 25% tarriff. For > that reason, Rover's profit margin is *very* slim on the D-90, the prime > reason, I think, why it is being withdrawn. I was mulling that over just this weekend. Sounds like it's time to start our own lobbying. I would think the current congress would be *very* receptive to the idea of letting the market decide which two door SUV's sell well, without adding a monetary disincentive to the equation. Tom Rowe UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible. From "Andrew A. Dallas" Tue Jan 2 08:49:26 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 08:49:26 -0500 From: "Andrew A. Dallas" Subject: re:Soft top vs. hard top, more. >John Askes; >I drive 70 miles a day on the highway. My 95 D90 came with the Bestop. I [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)] >reason I would think of getting the hard top would be if you are worried >about security. I have a 1995 D90 with the full hard top installed. I'm looking forward to the soft top in spring for topless expeditions. I'm impressed with how much quieter the D90 is than Jeeps with hard tops. That's one of the reasons I adopted my D90. You mention that you have plenty of heat. Coming from a very cushy and warm volvo, I'm not overly impressed with the heating system of the D90. I do have the AC option which, I'm beginning to suspect, significantly reduces the volume of air the heating system can move. Do you have the AC option? Has any one else out there installed the AC option after-the-fact and noticed a significant reduction in heating capacity? -AD ************************************************* Andrew A. Dallas Full Spectrum Software 360 Market St. Suite 18 Brighton, MA 02135 (617) 782-9829 adallas@tiac.net http://www.tiac.net/users/adallas/ ************************************************* From jim@kidd.com (jnk) Tue Jan 2 08:47:56 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 08:47:56 -0400 From: jim@kidd.com (jnk) Subject: Hydraulic winch Hello, Has anyone had experience with the Land Rover hydraulic winch? Did LR manufacture the winch or was it someone else? Are parts available in the States or England? Jim Karantinos From ftwarog@moose.uvm.edu Tue Jan 2 09:22:35 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 09:22:35 -0800 (PST) From: ftwarog@moose.uvm.edu Subject: What the?! I'm not sure why my messages aren't being posted to the digest - so this is *another* test... Frank - so much to say - noone to listen... From Ross Leidy Tue Jan 02 09:43:18 1996 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 96 09:43:18 0500 From: Ross Leidy Subject: re:Soft top vs. hard top, more. On 01/02/96 at 08:49 AM, "Andrew A. Dallas" penned: >You mention that you have plenty of heat. Coming from a very cushy >and warm volvo, I'm not overly impressed with the heating system of >the D90. I do have the AC option which, I'm beginning to suspect, >significantly reduces the volume of air the heating system can move. >Do you have the AC option? Has any one else out there installed the >AC option after-the-fact and noticed a significant reduction in >heating capacity? >-AD I can speak to this directly. I got my D90 in October, but the AC wasn't installed until November. The driver-side floor vent for the heater is unobstructed, but the passenger-side vent is re-routed to make room for the AC. It's routed back toward the passenger and raised some. My wife has noticed a BIG reduction in the amount of heat on that side. Anyone else experienced this? _____________________________________ Ross Leidy (ross@secant.com) Secant Technologies, Inc. 95 NAS D90 From "John C. White, III" Tue Jan 2 07:01:10 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 07:01:10 -0800 From: "John C. White, III" Subject: Re: What the?! Well, it's coming through in realtime anyway. Cheers! John At 09:22 02.01.96 -0800, ftwarog@moose.uvm.edu wrote: >To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net >I'm not sure why my messages aren't being posted to the digest - so this [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)] >Frank - >so much to say - noone to listen... From ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith) Tue Jan 2 10:06:55 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 10:06:55 -0500 From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith) Subject: Corgi Land Rovers Dear All, An email a day or two ago asked about the Land Rover 438 Corgi model. The model did not come from the facory with different wheels front and back. The wheels could be turned looking units, or plastic units with silver plated rims. The dual wheel option is a PO thing. The model could be a bunch of colors, and even the rescue and wrecker truck models unsed the basic 438. See, even small Rovers are cool. Mike Smith, ECR From "barnett childress" Tue Jan 2 10:06:36 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 96 10:06:36 EST From: "barnett childress" Subject: re:Soft top vs. hard top, more. Andrew, No I don't have AC. When the nice weather is here I run my D90 with the bimini top all season. Barnett. From "Andrew A. Dallas" Tue Jan 2 10:17:15 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 10:17:15 -0500 From: "Andrew A. Dallas" Subject: re:Soft top vs. hard top, more. >I can speak to this directly. I got my D90 in October, but the AC wasn't >installed until November. The driver-side floor vent for the heater is [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] >has noticed a BIG reduction in the amount of heat on that side. Anyone >else experienced this? That's what I expected. The vent aperatures are very small. I also noticed that the storage space above the AC unit gets very warm. I suspect that there's either a leak behind the AC unit or that the heating ducts are too small to allow the heater blower to move the expected volume of air, thus causing back-pressure. Unfortunately the AC unit itself won't blow warm air. Perhaps increasing the number of aperatures to the duct itself would improve the system. -AD ************************************************* Andrew A. Dallas Full Spectrum Software 360 Market St. Suite 18 Brighton, MA 02135 (617) 782-9829 adallas@tiac.net http://www.tiac.net/users/adallas/ ************************************************* From "Tom Rowe" Tue Jan 2 10:08:42 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 10:08:42 GMT -0600 From: "Tom Rowe" Subject: Re: Diesel Trivia GM did more to make diesels unappealing to the masses than any other mfg. I learned that back when I worked in the shop at a Chevy dealer. Yep, GM produced a fine line of boat anchors. Tom Rowe UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible. From Chris Haslam Tue Jan 2 11:15:00 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:15:00 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Haslam Subject: RR Fuel tank sender I have been silent because I'm not sure that the 88 RR has the same arrangement as other years. I suspect the problem is mechanical, not electrical, i.e. gunk around the sender unit. But I have one comment: on many vehicles, the resistance of the wire from the sender unit to the gauge is critical (within a few ohms.) I don't know what this value is for a RR. On some cars, this wire is not the same metal and thickness as other wires. Also, on a Rover SD1, the sender unit gets "lazy". There is a float on a pivot. The pivot wears, so the float arm sticks (or something.) If someone knows the resistance of this wire, please advise. I'll add it to my schematics. Chris Haslam Montreal, Canada 88 RR 80 SD1 From "Tom Rowe" Tue Jan 2 10:25:13 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 10:25:13 GMT -0600 From: "Tom Rowe" Subject: owners in Japan I seem to recall a LR owner in Japan on this list. If you indeed exist, would you please e-mail me? Tom Rowe UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible. From "DAVE MCKAIN" Tue Jan 2 11:40:16 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:40:16 EDT From: "DAVE MCKAIN" Subject: Series Manifold Question I have been looking over a 1963 ex-Canadian military Land Rover that I purchased a month ago and came upon what I consider to be an oddity. On early series vehicles, the exhaust pipe leaves the manifold at a 90 degree angle to the engine and passed through the wing while on later models, the exhaust pipe went straight down from the manifold. For some reason, the exhaust on this LR leaves at a 45% angle in an upwards direction and passes through the wing like an earlier vehicle. The manifold is a three bolt syle and looks like it accepts a later type dougnut. Does anyone have any comments on this setup? I can replace the manifold with a later type but would like to maintain originality on this rover if I can. If anyone needs parts for Series Land Rovers I am parting out three and have a lot of spares. Feel free to contact me. David McKain 1972 SIII SWB (parting) 1970 SIIA SWB (parting) 1969 SIIA SWB (parting) 1963 SIIA Ex-Canadian Mil SWB 1963 SIIA SWB mckain@cemr.wvu.edu (304) 599-0120 Morgantown, WV USA From Dixon Kenner Tue Jan 2 11:28:59 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:28:59 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re: Series vehicles heaters On Mon, 1 Jan 1996 lopezba@atnet.at wrote: > Our pampered transatlantic fellow madmen seem to have a solution called > the Kodiak heater (Kodiak is an island south of Alaska with a very pleasant > subtropical climate, if I remember correctly, and the heater provides the > same climate inside a LR). I have no idea what it looks like, whether it > is still being made or whether you can get it in the UK. No longer made to my knowledge. On IIA vehicles as an option. Very common in Canadian Land Rovers, uncommon on US Land Rovers. Came in at least three varients. Most common that I have seen is the large unit that sits on the RHS bulkhead, integral GM heater core and blower motor. There was another where the motor was on the outside and the heater core attached to the centre of the bulkhead on the inside. Long ductwork from the motor to the heater. The easiest way to get more heat (besides cleaning out the pipes/ hoses and heater core) is to take the pathetic Smiths heater that mounts outside, get a second, use the pieces and make one that has two cores and put back in. Even simplier is to get the round Smiths heater found on Series Ones that mounted in the centre of the bulkhead inside the vehicle and put it in as a second heater. The RN Mansfield heater is another option, but the price is so dear that you would be far better served making your own heater out of scrap tin, a big core and a motor out of some wrecked car. > International co-operation! That is what this cold world needs! Right about now, my books define international co-operation as an endeavour where other countries voluntarily accept our quota of cold and snow... :-) We'd be happy to share. > And a kick in the behind for a certain UK supplier of LR parts who is four > weeks late on delivering my brake cylinders, so I can not take my favourite > vehicle for a spin thru the 15 cm/6 inches of fresh snow here in Vienna! Which one? :-) Rgds, From 02 96 Jan EST 1911 Date: 02 Jan 96 11:51:53 EST From: Subject: Series 1 for sale Mark Talbot wrote: >All, >I have come across a nice S1 for sale, early 80 " with small instrument panel. [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)] >50's Land Rover >Any feed back would be helpful from S1 owners in the states Mark I have owned a S1 now for nearly 10 years and I could give you a list a mile long ( with receipts) as to why you should not buy this vehicle. My bank manager and very understanding wife will both vouch for this! Since owning this vehicle I have met a whole new breed of people, for the most part they are a friendly bunch, one in particular used to drive a shortened 107" to 86" (god knows why) This once proud vehicle is now sadly rotting in his back garden, while he drools over his NWCLL, which stands for Nice Warm Cosy Little Lorry. Which if spelt backwards is Llcwn, which could be Welsh for a 101"GS, since that's where he spends most of his spare time.( in the 101, in Wales) I have heard a rumour that he will one day restore this vehicle and is therefor reluctant to part with any or all it. I only hope his devoted and long suffering wife doesn't get wind of this rumour. It is for this reason that I should warn you, to some women any LR can be the bane of their lives, but to others (like my wife) the S1 is a fashion accessory and they get really grumpy when they are not working, which can be quite often. So unless you are prepared to fork out loadsa'dosh and never get to drive it, be warned !! Happy New Year to all Especially all S1 owners (drivers) with icicles hanging from the roof R 1 3 H +--|--| FWD | 2 4 L '55 Series One Glenn From 02 96 Jan EST 1911 Date: 02 Jan 96 11:51:57 EST From: Subject: where is he know Robin Craig writes >Where are you Jimmy? He has gone to ground, but can be dug out at Jimmyp@netcom.com Don't mention the 1996 Colour calendar! Glenn From Dixon Kenner Tue Jan 2 11:57:04 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:57:04 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re: Series Manifold Question On Tue, 2 Jan 1996, DAVE MCKAIN wrote: > I have been looking over a 1963 ex-Canadian military Land Rover that A Canadian 1963 ex-military LR. Canada never used Land Rovers though we tested them (besides the three armoured ones currently in Bosnia). The photo under Readers Rovers in the December LROI is fascinating. A Series One modified to look like a Canadian Army Land Rover. Someone must have the nationality wrong... > manifold. For some reason, the exhaust on this LR leaves at a 45% > angle in an upwards direction and passes through the wing like an > earlier vehicle. Seen them a number of times, Even had one before I threw it out (not worth repairing, cracked) > setup? I can replace the manifold with a later type but would like to > maintain originality on this rover if I can. Finding the replacement would be the problem... Rgds, From "TeriAnn Wakeman" Tue Jan 2 09:04:14 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 09:04:14 -0800 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Subject: New Dormobile cabinets I have found a company willing to to reproduce the tall wardrobe cabinet of a Dormobile. This is a tall metal cabinet with a fold up seat and single front door. At this time, I expect to have cabinets made sometime in Feb. I will be lending the company my Dormobile wardrobe cabinet to use as a model. To keep costs as low as possible, the cabinets will be unpainted (silver Hammerite paint is correct), and the door & seat will be unmounted. It will not include hinges or latches (more on these parts at the end of this document). I have had three versions of the cabinet estimated and will take orders for all three versions. Because of the costs involved, I would like full payment before the cabinets are constructed. There are side shelf height differences between the two door and four door series Land Rovers. Please specify if the cabinet is going into a two or four door Land Rover. The cabinets should fit series II, IIA and III land Rovers. If you wish to put one of these cabinets in a series I or a Defender, please let me know and I will request additional measurments. Here are the versions I have estimated: 1. reproduction - US$650 This will be sheet steel using the same construction as the original(angle steel external frame). This includes the welded on external side shelf for a water bottle, door (unmounted), swing up seat (unmounted) without the tubuler swing down feet or with rectangular (non-original) swing down feet (they can't make the correct swing down feet). To finish this cabinet, you will need to paint it silver Hammerite, add hinges and latches, door mirror, wood spacers for the water bottles and webbing for mounting the water bottles (see end of this message). 2. Economy cabinet - US$550 This is same as above except that there is no external angle steel frame. The dimensions will be identical to the stock Dormobile wardrobe cabinet but someone familure with Dormobiles will be able to tell that the cabinet is not original. You can order this one with ot without the external water bottle shelf. 3. Companion cabinet - US$575 This is the one I'm having made for myself since i already have a wardrobe cabinet. This cabinet will have the same dimesions as the original wardrobe cabinet. It will use the economy style construction. Instead of a partial solid front with a single door and a swing up seat, the front of this cabinet will have double swinging doors covering the entire front. It will come with three shelves (the original has no shelves). I plan to mount this companion cabinet in my Project twoDoorMobile oposit the stock wardrobe to provide additional storrage. This might be a good cabinet for people wanting to fix up a Land Rover for camping. Spice rack I have the original rack that fits in the upper left rear corner of the Dormobile. I am thinking of having a mirror image rack made up for the right side. If anyone is interested in a reproduction of this rack, ether right or left, contact me and I will get an estimate. Wardrobe hardware The hinges and latches that came on the Dormobile cabinets seem to be no longer available. However, i think sutable substitutes can be made from currently axailable hinges by filing brass hinges and having them chromed. If you order a cabinet and want to try to reproduce the hardware, I will provide pictures and dimensions. If you want to add the mirror that comes on the inside of the cabinet door, i will provide dimensions and mounting location. If you wish to mount the straps and wood spacers for the water bottle mounting, I will be happy to provide specs. TeriAnn "Celebrating my tenth year on the Usenet/Internet" twakeman@apple.com From "TeriAnn Wakeman" Tue Jan 2 09:06:01 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 09:06:01 -0800 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Subject: New Dormobile roof vents I have found someone to reproduce the roof vent lid from a Dormobile top. The vent lids will be fiberglass duplicates of a fiberglass roof vent that came as a spare on a '64 Dormobile. This spare roof vent lid is being used to create the mold for the duplicates. If anyone would like a new or spare roof vent lid (they are the highest point on a Dormobile roof and most apt to be damaged from low hanging obsticals) Please contact me (twakeman@apple.com). At this time I am only planning one run and expect to have them built around the end of January. The vent lids will cost US$100 each plus packaging and shipping costs. (most of the cost is labour for hand laying the fiberglass). The lids will be unpainted and without mounting holes. If you want to get in on this one time build, please contact me. TeriAnn "Celebrating my tenth year on the Usenet/Internet" twakeman@apple.com From Duncan Brown Tue Jan 02 12:34:06 1996 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 1996 12:34:06 -0500 (EST) From: Duncan Brown Subject: Re: Discovery conversions > Last question for you would be regarding ABS brakes on Disco's. During > severe four-wheel driving and at critical times they are very unresponsive [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] > cure for this problem or are you on your own in the back country? Please let > me know if there is any advice or suggestions out there from anyone. My series II's brakes get like this when severely doused or filled with mud. But they are drum brakes; I though disc brakes self-cleaned a lot quicker. Is there any relationship between what kind of muck you've just driven through, and brake performance? (I know, sounds like a stupidly obvious question, but just wanted to rule it out!) Duncan From Treit Le 2 96 Jan 1912 Date: 2 Jan 96 12:03:50 From: Treit Le Subject: Sunday New York Times 12/31/95 This is an excerpt from the Automobile section of the NYT. One article on driving schools with one paragraph on Rovers North. One big article on the Land Rover Experience factory school in Solihull. Plus 3 pictures of a 4.0SE in action, including one going down some steep steps. The "I" in the story is the writer, not me. ``This is not so tough,'' I was thinking to myself with the cockiness that seizes so many drivers behind the wheels of vehicles unfettered by the bounds of pavement. No doubt about it: learning the basics of off-road driving at the Land Rover Experience, a training program here in central England operated by the maker of four-wheel-drive vehicles, was not for wimps. But I had made it up and down frighteningly steep grades. I had managed to maintain control in a sea of mud. My pulse rate had barely quickened as I steered along a ramp that tilted my Land Rover Defender sideways at an angle normally associated with Evel Knievel. The three feet of water along the ``jungle track'' did not faze me. Then my instructor, Steve Vaughan, a former Royal Air Force pilot, told me to have a go at driving up a rain-slick 10-foot hill and making a sharp left at the top to avoid running straight into the woods. The maneuver would require giving the vehicle enough gas to make the hill, but not so much that a quick turn would be impossible. I shifted into gear, accelerated smoothly up the incline, began inching the wheel around - and was met with the ignominious sound of spinning wheels. ``You'll have to go back down,'' Steve said with no hint of disgust in his voice. ``It's a shame, though, because you'll probably have to take out that little tree down there.'' ........... From Duncan Brown Tue Jan 02 12:52:15 1996 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 1996 12:52:15 -0500 (EST) From: Duncan Brown Subject: Re: Series Manifold Question Dave, > oddity. On early series vehicles, the exhaust pipe leaves the manifold at a > 90 degree angle to the engine and passed through the wing while That's Series I > on later models, the exhaust pipe went straight down from the That's Series IIA and beyond. > manifold. For some reason, the exhaust on this LR leaves at a 45% > angle in an upwards direction and passes through the wing like an [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] > setup? I can replace the manifold with a later type but would like to > maintain originality on this rover if I can. That's Series II. Mine had one like that until the manifold cracked and the "up-pipe" (!) corroded away. I couldn't find replacements for either, so I went ahead and converted to the IIA style, which is a bolt on replacement (but leaves this mysterious hole in my fender!) The original Series II parts are out there, but hard to find and I drive my car every day so I couldn't afford to be hung up waiting to try and find them... Duncan From cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Tue Jan 02 10:14:31 1996 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 1996 10:14:31 +0000 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: owners in Japan Tom Rowe writes: >I seem to recall a LR owner in Japan on this list. If you indeed >exist, would you please e-mail me? Tom, You must be thinking of Shunichi Nishi. He has a WWW page of his Club's activities in Japan, unfortunately he unsubscribed from the list. His next to last message was: Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 07:23:49 +0900 From: gnome@st.rim.or.jp (Shunichi Nishi) Subject: Renewal my Rover page Hi all !! I come back after a long time. My private Rover Page : "Happy LANDY" renew today. URL : http://www.st.rim.or.jp/~gnome/rover.html Latest up to date 19/10/'95 Happiest of New Year!! ______ Michael Carradine [__[__\== Rumpole of the Bay 510-988-0900 [________] Land-Rover 4x4 cs@crl.com ___________.._(o)__.(o)_____...o^^^^ '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88) _________________________________________________________________________ Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page at: http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html From Treit Le 2 96 Jan 1912 Date: 2 Jan 96 12:59:14 From: Treit Le Subject: Where are all the Jeeps hiding? When skiing this Saturday at Campgaw in Mahwah, NJ, a ridiculously small ski "hill" 20 minutes from NY. I parked my RR and immediately another RR pulled in next to me. Looking directly forward from my windshield I saw a Disco, then a green Defender SW, and a black RR. I had a good spot and didn't have to walk more than 300 feet to the slopes, but passed a yellow Defender, a salt crusted Series (?, '73 w/ Villanova sticker) and a RR. One Hummer too. This was in a parking lot with about 200 vehicles. Only saw 3 Jeep GC's.I think that the tide has turned. PS, the Hummer was the only one with a winch. From maddeng@Apple.com (gary madden) Tue Jan 2 10:52:04 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 10:52:04 -0800 From: maddeng@Apple.com (gary madden) Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest From Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus 2 96 Jan EST 1913 Date: 2 Jan 96 13:48:12 EST From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus Subject: Smiths Heater needed for experimentation, and info from UK needed All right, all right all RIIIIGHT!!! Enough with the whining about heaters.....8*) My heavens, you'd think it was cold outside or something... It's time for Al "The mad toolman" Richer to go to work. ANybody in the Boston area got a Smiths I can lay my hands on? I've some ideas about fitting the ugly little monster with an oversized core, but I need a body to dissect. If anybody's got one they pulled out they'd be willing to donate to further the cause of warm Rovers, email me. I do need the whole bit, though....as I think an oversized blower might be part of the package. As part of this, does anybody from the UK have 2 minutes to tell me the relevant Japanese imports available in the UK? Seems like these would be a good starting ground as a core donor for the heater experiments... aj"Hack Artists R Us"r From matts@cacilj.caciasl.com (Matt Snyder) Tue Jan 2 11:05:23 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:05:23 -0800 From: matts@cacilj.caciasl.com (Matt Snyder) Subject: Bosnia LR's Did anyone else see a Reuters photo of U.S. Army engineers doing their Sava River bridge thing with a Chinook (CH-46) overhead? There are two vehicles parked on the opposite bank, one obviously a Range Rover, and the other I think a 110? It was in my Saturday newspaper. Also of interest in the Saturday San Diego Union Tribune was the feature article of the Wheels section, a tribute to the D90, "end of the line for 'sport coupe of sport utes.'" -Matt From ASFCO@aol.com Tue Jan 2 13:10:24 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 13:10:24 -0500 From: ASFCO@aol.com Subject: New Manual for sale I have a new Haynes series ll lla & lll owners workshop manual for sale....$ 20.00 e-mail me for the address. Happy, Healthy New Year to all... Cheers, Steve Bradke 72 s lll 88 ASFCO@aol.com From jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben) Tue Jan 2 15:13:14 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 96 15:13:14 EST From: jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben) Subject: camaraderie etc. etc. OK, I can be persuaded to a truce.... No more jokes about the cell-phone or disco-players, if they don't insist on naming their cars as "Beluga-black", "Swiss-chocolate white", or "Dollar-bill green" Jan '63 109+ , kinda-blue From Dixon Kenner Tue Jan 2 15:09:01 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 15:09:01 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re: Smiths Heater needed for experimentation, and info from UK needed On 2 Jan 1996, Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote: > As part of this, does anybody from the UK have 2 minutes to tell me the > relevant Japanese imports available in the UK? Seems like these would be a > good starting ground as a core donor for the heater experiments... Why Japanese? If anything, Yank tanks like the Buick are renowned for their ability to generate tons of heat fast. It is one thing that American manufacturers have managed well. (Their A/C systems are pretty impressive too...) > aj"Hack Artists R Us"r You're a good candidate to make a flip top front end... From "Mark Talbot" Tue Jan 2 20:18:10 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 96 20:18:10 UT From: "Mark Talbot" Subject: 1953 Series 1 For sale All, I reported that there was a S1 for sale here in NH. I have decided to pass it over, in favour of a 91 RR. I know, one extreme to another, but what the heck. Anyway if there are any interested parties looking for a S1, original condition, rebuild brakes, new 16" wheels, new tank, tons of new stuff. Needs starter fixed, rebuilt or replaced, and some wiring done. The guy is asking $2500. However, an offer of $2000 should be enough. E-mail me and I will pass on the details. Mark From allen@dsr.com (David Allen) Tue Jan 2 13:37:13 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 13:37:13 -0800 From: allen@dsr.com (David Allen) Subject: Re: D90 MPG on trips with 3000lb trailer John: I took 2 days worth of instruction from Rovers North last October and was very pleased with the training. I used a Red D90 that they had, and even got some training on various types of winching. One real benefit to training in Vermont is that they have access to some of the gooiest mud perhaps in the entire country. This made hill climbing especially challenging. ========================================================================== David Allen 619.695.8220 x-441 (voice) Digital Systems Research, Inc. 619.695.2625 (fax) 10085 Scripps Ranch Ct. allen@dsr.com (email) San Diego, CA 92131-1271 72002,1601 (compuserve) From rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice) Tue Jan 2 18:08:05 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 18:08:05 -0500 From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice) Subject: LRW Got an advance copy of of February's Land Rover World today. Check out pages 44 through 47 for scenes from the Mid-Atlantic Land Rover Rally. (...and if you look real close in the circular photo behind Dennis Perzynski, you can see Dave Bobeck.) It seems that my internet service provider, tired of being part of the information superhighway, has turned into a one way street. For some reason that the techies have yet to figure out (or even attempt to figure out, I gather), I can upload messages, but can't download anything. ("The part we need wiil be in tomorrow. We tried rebooting the servers." Huh?) Apparently the entire net is affected. Who knowns when this jack-leg outfit will get is collective ass in gear? Cheers *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----* | A. P. (Sandy) Grice | | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia | | 1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | | E-mail: rover@pinn.net Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day) | | 804-423-4898 (Evenings) FAX: 804-622-7056 | *-----------------------------------------------------* From John Brabyn Tue Jan 2 15:14:06 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 15:14:06 -0800 (PST) From: John Brabyn Subject: Re: Where are all the Jeeps hiding? This reminds me of a recent experience at our local supermarket when I pulled in and parked my white RR in between two other white RR's. I wished I'd had my camera to get the hat trick! Cheers John Brabyn 89RR On 2 Jan 1996, Treit Le wrote: > To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net > When skiing this Saturday at Campgaw in Mahwah, NJ, a ridiculously small ski [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)] > has turned. > PS, the Hummer was the only one with a winch. From Simon Barclay Wed Jan 03 11:57:00 1996 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 96 11:57:00 EST From: Simon Barclay Subject: Looking for a book! Has any one out there heard of (or got a copy of) a book called "The Early Years". I'm told it's by a guy called Michael Hutchins(?) (not the musician). It covers early Series 1's and details the differences/features introduced during this time. Has lots of detailed hand drawn diagrams. I don't know who published it, if it is still in print, or the IBSN (if it has one). If anyone can help please e-mail me direct. Thanks in advance. Simon Barclay Sydney Australia E-mail: sbar@jna.com.au '90 5sp RR '51 Series 1 (Louie) From Lorri Paustian Tue Jan 2 19:20:27 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 19:20:27 -0600 (CST) From: Lorri Paustian Subject: Kodiak Heaters >From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus >Date: 1 Jan 96 15:42:10 EST >Subject: Re: Series vehicles heaters >Re: Kodiak Heaters: >Near as I know, the original Kodiak has long since passed away. However, the >company known as Rovers North in Vermont, U.S.A., makes a similar unit known as >the Mansfield Heater for Series vehicles. >In inspecting my catalogue, I see that this goes for the astronomical price of >around 650 to 700 dollars American. At trhat price, I'd investigate putting a >larger, more efficient core in the standard heater.....ow! >Not into being burned that bad.... -Alan There's a guy in our club, Flatland Rover Society, that put in an old Peterbuilt heater into his Series. He says it drives him out with the heat. I don't think the old Series have enough core area in the standard pancake heaters to be able to make them any more efficient. As this is my first attempt at sending an E-mail to LRO Digest (just been lurking for two or three months), hope I did this right. Lorri Paustian '95 Conistan Green Discovery '95 Arles Blue D90 Hard Top (on order) From Landy88@aol.com Tue Jan 2 20:46:10 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 20:46:10 -0500 From: Landy88@aol.com Subject: Brilliant Design of Series Rovers Today, when completing my annual brake work (pronounced master cylinder replacement), I learned a few more design features in the Series III (and earlier trucks). My respect for the Land Rover continues to grow. First, the master cylinder itself is a masterpiece. Just leave the brake lines open and the device will self bleed. Which brings us to the next point....the front wings..... B: The front wings are marvelous.......Unlike other pseudo-sport-utes, the wings on the LR are designed to accomodate the owner (pronounced mechanic...as others have noticed....Rover dealers are not geared for Series owners). While working, the wing seconds as a tool holder. I think it was also designed with Massachusetts winters in mind. The snow makes a great fender pad, no scratching going on there. Also, it is great for holding flashlights, handy with master cylinder work....points right at the spot ( and if you are the nervous type, there is no waiting to see how much paint you took off with the Castrol LMA). Three....the design also allow for lots of snow to build up on the bonnet and fall onto the radiator cowl. This is a good spot to place any spanners you need. As your fingers near numbness, it makes it much easier to find your tools...the metal is much colder than the plastic of your torch. I only look forward to my engine work over the next couple of weeks. Thanks to all those who helped steer me in the right direction on that tapping. But then again, how many new sport-utes come with their own metronome? Happy Trails!! ****************************************************************************** ******************************************************* Landy88 Charles Cooper '72 Series III 88 PO Box 182 '68 Series IIA 88 Lee MA 01238 From "Andrew A. Dallas" Tue Jan 2 21:08:40 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 21:08:40 -0500 From: "Andrew A. Dallas" Subject: Humid Days of Winter Working on my second week as a Defender 90 owner, I've read the manual cover to cover. I recall now a page which mentiones that it's important to clear snow off the ventilation grills on the hood. Tonight is a beautifully snowy evening in Boston. The snow is very light and fluffy. I was very excited to go on my first 4WD ride in the snow so I quickly cleared the snow from my windscreen and hopped in. When I saw that the mperature was climbing, I cranked the heater to maximum and enjoyed about a minute of warm air. I then heard a sort of "foop" noise which I now believe was the fan sucking in the snow from my hood. The cabin got pleasantly humid and warm which instantly fogged all of the windows. I suppose I deserve a "told you so" from the authors of the manual. Moral: Clean your hood vents unless you want to fly by instruments alone. -AD ********************************************************* Andrew A. Dallas Independent Software Engineer Full Spectrum Software 360 Market Street #18, Brighton, MA 02135, (617) 782-9829 http://www.tiac.net/users/adallas/ adallas@tiac.net ********************************************************* From JEPurnell@aol.com Tue Jan 2 21:11:57 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 21:11:57 -0500 From: JEPurnell@aol.com Subject: Re: Auxiliary Heaters for anything. All this talk about heaters reminds me of some testing I did at CARB in Los Angeles (I was an engineer in the Engineering Testing/Low Emission Vehicle Testing Sections) on fuel fired heaters when it looked like the ZEV Mandate (zero emission, aka electric car...) might allow for small fuel fired heaters on board an electric car to save all the juice for propulsion instead of heat. A company called ESPAR from Germany makes a series of great heaters, powered by LPG, CNG, gasoline, or diesel and kersosene, that can be used in many formats. The one that really intrigued me was their water line model. The heater would heat and circulate the water in the cooling system of a car, truck, or whatever, and not only get the block up to temperature, but using the existing heater system to heat the cabin as well, great for retrofits. You can also use them to simply heat the cabin with direct hot air and even set them on a timer to come on at 6:42am so when you get in at 7:03am to go to work, you seat is warm and the windows are defrosted (and if you've a softtop, your side windows are melted). The UN Forces use these heaters to keep tanks "at the ready" in cold climates. And the Oil Industry uses them in frigid climates when heavy machinery needs to be used during the week, and not on weekends. They used to let the cranes and other stuff simply idle all weekend because they couldn't get them started in 40 below zero weather. This way, the heater comes on Sunday and by MOnday morn the diesels will start right up. The obvious benefit is fuel cost in areas where it is expenisve to bring fuel. This is probably fantasy talk since the cost is high, not for the faint at heart, but it just seemed like the answer to all this "cold" talk. I'm thinkin', if I hooked one of these heaters up in my defender, on a remote control like the alarm system, and . . . (PS--if anyone is really interested, I can give you the USA contact, they are indeed sold, used, and serviced here already by many school busses, and trucking companies.) John 1994 D90, Wisconsin From Dixon Kenner Tue Jan 2 22:16:05 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 22:16:05 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re: Looking for a book! On Wed, 3 Jan 1996, Simon Barclay wrote: > Has any one out there heard of (or got a copy of) a book called "The Early > Years". I'm told it's by a guy called Michael Hutchins(?) (not the > musician). It covers early Series 1's and details the differences/features > introduced during this time. Has lots of detailed hand drawn diagrams. It was published by the author (don't have my copy in front of me) and when I picked up my copy two years ago he had one left in stock. I'll see if I can dig up his address for you. Much emphasis is on the prototypes. From Wdcockey@aol.com Tue Jan 2 23:33:11 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 23:33:11 -0500 From: Wdcockey@aol.com Subject: Re: 25% tarriff - MAJOR UPDATE The 25% imported truck tarrif NO LONGER APPLIES to 2 door sport utes as a result of a decision law suit (by Nissan I believe). I believe this occured a year or so ago. I recall LRNA quoted in Automotive News as saying this would help there margin on D90's but they would also use part of it to enhance the product. The D90 SW pricing may reflect this. From Wdcockey@aol.com Tue Jan 2 23:56:16 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 23:56:16 -0500 From: Wdcockey@aol.com Subject: Re: Auxiliary Heaters for anything. In a message dated 96-01-02 21:29:22 EST, you write: >This is probably fantasy talk since the cost is high, not for the faint at >heart, but it just seemed like the answer to all this "cold" talk. I'm >thinkin', if I hooked one of these heaters up in my defender, on a remote >control like the alarm system, and . . If you think a Mansfield heater is expensive, these will make it seem cheap. From Wdcockey@aol.com Tue Jan 2 23:58:59 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 23:58:59 -0500 From: Wdcockey@aol.com Subject: Re: Looking for a book! The author is Tony Hutchings, and the last place I saw which claimed to have a copy was British Northwest. Hutchings provided some updated info while back in either LRO or the SI club newletter andFrom "Steve Reddock" Wed Jan 03 05:24:55 1996 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 05:24:55 EST From: "Steve Reddock" Subject: Gearboxes Hi all, one for the technically minded here. Last week my gearbox started making a high pitched wining noise when under load. The pitch/volume is directly proportional to road speed and load. There is no noise when off load (ie down hill) or neutral. There is also no noise under engine braking. At low speeds there is little noise. Possibly the noise only exists in 3rd and 4th, or perhaps speeds are too low in 1st & 2nd to hear it. I think it is only there in 3rd & 4th. I have checked the UJs on the rear prop and they seem OK (very quick check though, to make this much noise they would need to be close to falling off!). I haven't checked for noise at high speeds in low ratio. I was using low ratio immediately before this all started and I didn't notice anything, but the high ratio noise was quieter then. There is oil in the box. It's a series III box attached to a Ford 2.8l V6 (140 BHP & 170 ftlb) so the box is a little more stressed than usual. Can anybody think what the problem is. My best guess is a gearbox bearing breaking up. Just what I need a gearbox rebuild in the middle of winter :-( Cheers, Steve PS. Don't forget to reply in red ink with carriage returns! :-) Steve Reddock Product Evaluation, 26/12 Xyratex Ext.(01705) 486363 x4450 Int.721-4450 REDDOCK at HVTVM Internet: Steve_Reddock@UK.XYRATEX.COM From Richard Brownlee <101360.3273@compuserve.com> 03 96 Jan EST 1908 Date: 03 Jan 96 08:38:26 EST From: Richard Brownlee <101360.3273@compuserve.com> Subject: New UK export company I have been a Land Rover enthusiast for over 13 years based near London UK. I travelled to US a couple of months ago and was amazed at prices for series L/Rs and spares(new and second-hand). I am therefore setting up a company to compete in this market with more sensible prices. At the moment I need feedback from people on this list about their experiences with UK & US suppliers, what additional services are required and how I can help. I would also be grateful for details of clubs in the US and show/meet dates for 1996. Please feel free to reply on the list, private e-mail or by phone on +44 1932 880743 up to 23:00 GMT (I will call you back) Thanking you all in advance. Richard Brownlee 101360.3273@compuserve.com From ASFCO@aol.com Wed Jan 3 09:03:31 1996 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:03:31 -0500 From: ASFCO@aol.com Subject: SOLD New maunual Thanks to everyone who made inquiries on the manual I offered for sale... It has been sold. Regards To All Steve Bradke WA2GMC 72 s lll 88 From Stuart Williams Wed Jan 03 09:20:00 1996 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 96 09:20:00 EST From: Stuart Williams Subject: Wiping Things Clean ... Obligatory Rover Content : Over the Christmas holidays I got a message from John Friedman about the dubious performance of the stock wiper blades on his Discovery in foul weather. He told me that after some frustrating times in the storm / blizzard that hit the Mid-West US (where the only thing that really held him up was poor visibility due to the ineffective blades) he changed to some Trico 'WeatherBlades' wiper blades and saw great improvement. Based on his advice I went out and did the same for my Disco. At $4.99 each (YMMV) they're just about the cheapest thing that you can do to your Rover. The 18" replacement units fit just fine although they look a little funky with their rubber booties to keep the framework free of ice/snow. They really do work *much* better and are quieter than stock; I highly recommend them for those folks in the northern latitudes. And now my real reason for posting this message : At the risk of getting flamed to death I'm going to ask if anyone knows how to get hold of a real live human at the location that serves this list via e-mail or other means. I'm trying to change my LRO Digest subscription from one mail account to another but the Majordomo has been less that cooperative. I've tried all possible permutations of requesting 'unsubscribe' for the 'lro-digest' and 'lro-digest-ltd' with and without various forms of my e-mail address. I know that the e-mail address for the Majordomo is right and that my messages are getting through because I keep getting back messages from the Majordomo that I'm not a subscriber. Tell that to my mail account every morning, eh? I've also tried sending messages to the address given for use if the Majordomo 'barfs' at something, but no reply as yet. Any and all help is appreciated! Stuart Williams '95 Discovery V8i '85 LandCruiser From NADdMD@aol.com Wed Jan 3 09:27:22 1996 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:27:22 -0500 From: NADdMD@aol.com Subject: Aluminium brazing Technical question: (Maybe Tom can reply) I have wire brushed the corrosion from the aluminium sheet metal on the seat box where it comes in contact with the frame and the toolbox. There are several holes there and numerous pits. While some shiny metal is exposed, the pits still contain the flecks of white corrosion. I plan on brazing a thin sheet of aluminium onto the corroded surfaces, patching behind the original sheet metal. I am using a BernzoMatic torch with the aluminium rods. Is the metal clean enough to proceed? (It is not going to need much in the way of torsional strength) Secondly, do I need additonal flux of some kind for this? Thanks Nate Dunsmore Rocking Horse Farm Boring, MD USA 21020 NADdMD@aol.com From Andy Dingley Wed Jan 03 15:05:17 1996 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 15:05:17 GMT From: Andy Dingley Subject: Poor mail order performance > lopezba@atnet.at writes: &%> And a kick in the behind for a certain UK supplier of LR parts &%> who is four weeks late on delivering my brake cylinders, so I &%> can not take my favourite vehicle for a spin thru the 15 cm/6 &%> inches of fresh snow here in Vienna! Wouldn't be Craddocks by any chance would it ? I've given up on these people altogether now. We've placed a bunch of orders with them this year and _every_ one has had items missing, or just not been shipped at all. Eventually I realised that the only reason we bought from them was that they had the big magazine advert - their actual service was poor. I now deal with DLS in Matlock (they advertise a yellow & black advert in LRO). Better prices than Craddocks, and a fast turn around. -- Andy Dingley dingbat@codesmth.demon.co.uk alt.flame - Making the world a safer place for postal workers. From Andy Dingley Wed Jan 03 15:05:21 1996 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 15:05:21 GMT From: Andy Dingley Subject: Re: Range Rover fuel tank sender martin@mfautley.demon.co.uk (Martin Fautley) wrote: >dingbat@codesmth.demon.co.uk (Andy Dingley) wrote: >>I'm having problems with my fuel tank sender ('85 petrol carb Rangie) [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] >I'm pleased I read this as my '82 R-R is giving broadly similar >symptoms, > As you've warned me that I have to take the tank out I think I'll >wait till the spring, and just keep filling it up. The worst part of taking the tank off is draining the fuel first (a little less unpleasant with diesel). The easiest way is to disconnect the hose under the bonnet and use the electric pump. You do need to have the tank empty, as it's an awkward struggle to get it out. It's quite quick to do though. My experience: Disconnect all hoses before pulling the tank out. Don't forget the fuel return pipe at the front of the tank. Be careful with the pipe unions. Don't place any torque on the fixed part of the pipe, as they're easily broken (particularly a rusty sender unit suction pipe). If you have problems with the breather hose, cut it and replace.The original equipment hose goes brittle and splits anyway. Changing this breather is an awkward job as connecting the filler cap end usually requires unbolting the filler cap from the body. Refitting the breather hose is _much_ easier if you have a hose clip driver with a flexible shaft. After unbolting the tank fixings, drop the tank down sideways, filler side first. Be careful not to bang the suction pipe end onto the chassis rail. Use a bayonet spanner to remove the sender locking ring. You can make your own by sawing three notches into the back of the hub bearing nut box spanner. When refitting the tank sender, use a new locking ring and check that the tank lugs aren't bent loose. I also applied Hylomar sealant to the surfaces of the rubber ring. After locking the sender in place, seal the locking ring against rust by applying a sealer. I used the same polyurethane mastic (Sikkaflex) as I used to seal wings onto the rear quarter panels. Expensive, but much stickier than silicone or acrylic. When refitting the tank, be careful not to damage the suction pipe. -- Andy Dingley dingbat@codesmth.demon.co.uk alt.flame - Making the world a safer place for postal workers. From wassili@AMC.UVA.NL (Roy Wassili) Wed Jan 03 16:28:02 1996 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 16:28:02 +0001 From: wassili@AMC.UVA.NL (Roy Wassili) Subject: Towing bracket( or is it hook?) info needed. Hello all, Santa has been good to me. Found a complete towing brachet under the Xmas tree. And that is where I need some info. This is a non guinine towing bracket, but one from the biggest( and best) towing bracket manufacturers in the Netherlands( Brink B.V.), wich comes with a clear instruction sheet. But the fitting instructions on the electric system are from the kind *one fits all*, and we all know that LandRover just dont fit in the category *All*. So what I need is: 1) a good electrical diagram to connect the wires to. e.g. the wire to connect to for this green trailer light on my dashboard( This light seems to remind me towing a trailer ;-) ) 2) Where do the wires enter the body(work). Anyone out there who can transmit this info to me? P.S. I'm talking about a '95 plushmobile, a Discovery 300 TDi that is. Regards, Roy LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR ____ | _____/|__|| Roy Wassili, | /(-8| \ | Avalon Green '95 Discovery, VG-XH-66 ____|_/[]__|__\___|# "scarved for live" |] __=| | __ |# [|_/ \|_____|_/ \_|] ( o ) ( o ) From crash@merl.com Wed Jan 3 10:26:38 1996 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 10:26:38 -0500 From: crash@merl.com Subject: Disco electrics manual price diffrences I called up Rovers North looking for the elusive Disco electrics troubleshooting manual, and got a "yes, we got 'em, $175.76" I then called up Atlantic British. "yes, we got 'em. $59.95." A.B. really did have 'em too... got it the afternoon of the next day. It sure looks real- binder and everything. Anybody have a clue as to how a >3x price difference can occur on the same part (LR part# LJBEMENL95) -Bill Yerazunis slush-encrusted 94 Disco (and I wave!) From ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith) Wed Jan 3 11:02:08 1996 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 11:02:08 -0500 From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith) Subject: SII exhaust manifolds Dear All, In an email Dave McKain asked about his odd exhaust manifold with the exhaust outlet turning up. First, DON'T throw it out! If you don't want it, I know a bunch of people that need the part. The manifold was used on the early 2.25 SII engines. A fellow Land Rover collector told me once they were used for some sort of PTO unit, but I have never seen a unit that would require that exhaust route. The manifold was most common on the SII 2.25 engines that used the different size crank, with 2.5 inch main bearings rather than the 2.25 inch bearings. I know a few people going for total originality on their 60 and 61 engines, so if you want to switch, they will most likely supply you with a new unit for your old one. Good luck on your project. Mike Smith, ECR From jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben) Wed Jan 3 11:23:10 1996 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 96 11:23:10 EST From: jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben) Subject: '83 RR - buy or not? Dear list: A friend is looking at an '83 Rangie, about 90k miles, LT95, some rust. Asking price about US$3k. I don't quite know what to advise him, besides checking the tranny/diff/fluids. So, if it's marginally a good driver, is $2000-2500 a steal? BTW, what is the '83 RR doing here, or is it "kosher"? He didn't pop the hood, so I don't know if it's got EFI or CD's. If CD's , I KNOW what I'll advise. Thanks Jan in US. From "TeriAnn Wakeman" Wed Jan 3 09:08:16 1996 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:08:16 -0800 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Subject: Re: windshield washers In message <199512280927.EAA14979@butler.uk.stratus.com> Mark Perry writes: ; > Alan Richer's account of windshield washer installation parallels mine, ; though I used a tank/pump ass'y from a Suzuki Samurai I got at a > wrecker's yard for $5. Could be same or similar as used in Toyota. ; > Mark Perry Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada > 1966 Ser.IIA 88 Petrol Hardtop ; Mark, If you decide to replace your rice burner washer system, the washer system used on most late sixties MGBs and probably other British cars of the era are the same as or very close to what came stock on mid & late sixties Land Rovers that came equipped with washer systems. The Green Rover's factory washer system had the same electric pump, Tutor bottle and mounting bracket as the '68 MGBGT I recently sold. TeriAnn "Celebrating my tenth year on the Usenet/Internet" twakeman@apple.com From "TeriAnn Wakeman" Wed Jan 3 09:08:57 1996 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:08:57 -0800 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Subject: Re: New and old Rovers, Dealerships > understand your anger, but I don't think it is a Rover problem. It is a > dealership, just need to make a buck problem, Rover, Ford, Jaguar, all > makes. ; Last time I went into a Land Rover Dealership (San Jose British Motors), I parked my IIA 109 two door in the lot next to the show room. I was there to take measurments of Defender seat cushens to see if they will fit in a series seat frame. Those who know my car know she's not one of the most pristine examples, Chipping non-stock green paint that has crinkled paint on one side from someone walking the side with a propane tourch. inner door panels removed with cadnium primer on the inside. Duct tape seat covers. Aluminum diamond plate lower side skirts, slightly tweeked from running aground & sanding fallen logs & rocks. On the plus side the car has mostly straight panels, D90 black steel wheels on 265/70/16 Mud Terrains, newish rear military bumperettes, newish front bumper with military overriders,D rings and a winch that looks like it means business. ANyway, people, including sales types came out to look the Green Rover over and asked a number of respectfull questions about her whle I was measuring D90 seat componets. Even though it was very obvious I was not in the market for a new car, i was treated well by the sales crew & they showed respect for my Land Rover. If I decide that my Green Rover needs a new young sibling, or if anyone asks me where to go to buy a new Rover, I'll point them to the San Jose British Motors. Rover lot. TeriAnn "Celebrating my tenth year on the Usenet/Internet" twakeman@apple.com From "TeriAnn Wakeman" Wed Jan 3 09:10:08 1996 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:10:08 -0800 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Subject: Re: Salesmen In message <199512261903.OAA12160@butler.uk.stratus.com> "AMEDEO (Denver, CO)" writes: > To the Series people, let's make peace! Even Israel and the PLO did it! > O.K. next time a Series person comes in I'll treat him like he owns the ; place. > Seriously, I agree we can learn from each other. Just understand ; that a modern LR dealership is there to push the current product lines. But > why ; can't you accept that these so called plushmobiles are still > real Land-Rovers, made in Soulihull? i have nothing but respect for the Defenders, and the Discovery plushmobiles have simply amazed me, easily taking all but the nastiest rock climbing in plush comfort. A goodly number of Disco owners don't seem shy about off roading and have more than proved to me that those plushmobiles are very capable Land Rovers going most places a series car can but in MUCH greater comfort. On the other hand, I can only remember seeing one Range Rover classic going off road and since the driver didn't seem experienced in offroading the show was slightly disapointing. looking at the ground effects moulding on the new US spec Range Rovers i would suspect they would get mangled if one ever tried rock crawling. i suspect the new Range Rovers are excellent for nasty conditions on pavement or maintined dirt roads but they just don't seem to have any clearence for real off roading away from gentle rolling land. The sad thing to me is that Amedeo may be right. Hiding under that bodywork that leaves little ground clearence just may be the suspension for a great offroad capable car. If the Defender is indeed discontinued in the near future, I do hope that Rover replaces it with a car that has both a great suspension and a high clearence body designed to allow the suspension to reach full articulation with large tyres. I realize that the people who purchase the new Range Rovers will amost never take them farther off road that the parking lot for a ski lift, but I sure wish that Rover didn't encumber these cars with add ons that eliminates most of the ground clearence. So far my favorate Range Rover is owned by Doug Shipman. His is rebodied with an 88 body. TeriAnn "Celebrating my tenth year on the Usenet/Internet" twakeman@apple.com From IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS) Wed Jan 03 12:17:50 1996 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 12:17:50 From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS) Subject: Aluminium brazing: be a clean Marine! If you used a steel wire brush to clean the aluminum you might as well hang it up now. You have embedded tiny pieces of unwanted metal in the surface of the aluminum. You'll have to go back and clean the area with a non-metallic abrasive such as aluminum oxide paper. Go to your local welding supply and tell them what you plan to do to repair the metal. They'll hook you up with the proper fluxes and rods. They are the experts. All my troubles are Rover Bill Adams 3Dmentia Video Animation 4016 Spruell Drive Kensington,MD 20895 301-949-9475 1966 S2a 109" SW Diesel "Keeping it stock in the face of common sense" " One of these days I'm going to have this thing melted down and hammered into a coffin, because when they lay me out it will be THIS son of a bitch that put me in it." From Dixon Kenner Wed Jan 3 12:32:29 1996 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:32:29 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re: SII exhaust manifolds On Wed, 3 Jan 1996, Mike Smith wrote: > A fellow Land Rover collector told me once they > were used for some sort of PTO unit, but I have never seen a unit that > would require that exhaust route. A Koneig pto winch would love the manifold. Without it, you have to modify the exhaust pipe since it and the driveshaft to the winch wish to occupy the same position. At the time, Koneig did supply the modified front pipe, but alas, no longer. Rgds, From debrown@srp.gov 03 96 Jan MST 1910 Date: 03 Jan 96 10:34:56 MST From: debrown@srp.gov Subject: Attempted drowning of my plushmobile. FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 Hello all! I've been on vacation since Dec 21st, and managed to get some things done around the house. (I've also had a lot of mail server problems and haven't been able to send mail for the past few weeks. Hope this works.) I finally got my transmission back together for the 88 (IIa). I took it all apart in JULY and had to locate some parts before I could reassemble. I "had" everything in one "corner" of the garage, but after 6 months of kids, bicycles, roommates, etc... things were not exactly the way I'd left them. In fact, everything had been dumped into one large box by my roommate. Anyway, it "only" took about 12 hours to reassemble the mess of confusion. Now, I have only to get a clutch, and reinstall.... I got some Hella replacement headlights (changeable halogen bulbs) for Christmas, and like them a lot. Not a huge difference with the standard 55/65 watt bulb, but noticeable. I can't wait to replace with 80/100 bulbs. Legal? What, me worry? ;-) Now, the drowning story... Went out with my kids one evening to an area near Phoenix, near Bartlet lake. Had lots of fun with the '87 Range Rover, and came to a river crossing. It was dark, I was alone except for a few other 4-by's in the area. At first, I could see the bottom of the river and was very confident entering it. About half way across, it started to get deeper, but I was still not worried, I had crossed this river about a year ago in a Toyota FJ40. (Granted, much can happen in a year's time!) As it was dark, and there was no obvious exit point on the opposite side of the river to "aim for", I proceeded. It got DEEP! Then VERY DEEP!, All the Hella lights (headlights, and additional Hella's) were completely submerged, then, water over the hood! I "panicked", and immediately threw it into reverse, and safely backed out. If I had been with another vehicle I'd have probably went for it, but not that night! We only had probably 20 more feet to go. As for water leaking... ALL the lights have water in them. :-( Any suggestions for removing water short of taking them off again? I've heard an air compressor can help?? Maybe a straw? Only water leaking into the vehicle was a little bit through the rear doors, one of the weatherstrips at the bottom was loose, and I've glued it since then. On another section that I was exploring, I had to turn around, and scraped the underside of the muffler. ?? Does anyone have a suggestion on relocating the muffler on a '87 RR that will help the departure angle?? I had this problem with the Disco as well, only with the Disco, I found out the HARD way, after bending the body panel and wrapping the muffler half way around the rear tire! Well, back to work... LOTS to catch up on... Dave (U-boat captain) Brown. P.S. Ray Harder please call me! All my e-mail to you bounces back! (602) 236-3544 work... (602) 820-8052 Home. #=====# #========# -------,___ ________ |___|__\___ |___|__|__\___ |--' | | \_|_ /__/__|__\___ | _ | |_ |} | _ | | |_ |} | _ |--+--|_ | \_/-\_|__/-\_|} "(_)""""(_)" "(_)"""""""(_)" ||_/_\___|__/_\_|} (_) (_) (_) (_) 1971 "88" IIa 1970 "109" IIa 1994 Discovery (Sold) '87 Range Rover LIC: LION B8 Historic plates (Too hard to "draw") rear Lock-Right #=======# ________ We make a living by what we get, |__|__|__\___ /__/__|__\___ we make a life by what we give. | _| | |_ |} \_/-\_|__/-\_|} "(_)""""""(_)" (_) (_) Winston Churchill From Keith Morehouse-WB9TIY Wed Jan 03 11:37:40 1996 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 11:37:40 -0800 From: Keith Morehouse-WB9TIY Subject: Filters for Disco's - Headlight guards Can anyone tell me the PN for replacement oil filters in '96 Disco's ?? Not the LRNA PN but real world parts from Fram / AC / ect... ALSO. Anybody run across headlight rock sheilds for Disco's yet ?? The clear polycarbonate type, not the wire kind ?? G2 sez they have these in the home market "gear" list, but my local dealer has no knowledge of it. ---------------------------###----------------------------- PROBE ELECTRONICS 100 Higgins Road, Park Ridge IL 60068 USA Keith J. Morehouse / WB9TIY / Society of Midwest Contesters 708-696-2828 FAX: 708-698-2045 e-mail: blckhole@ripco.com ---------------------------###----------------------------- From "Mark Talbot" Wed Jan 3 17:22:58 1996 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 96 17:22:58 UT From: "Mark Talbot" Subject: Land Rovers for Sale All, Just wanted to pass this along. The S1 I mentioned, as well as several 109's pickups, safari's etc., are available from Cheshire Foreign Autos here in Keene, NH. The guy that runs the place is Dick Bersavent (SP?) can be contacted on 603-876-4613. You may not find any bargains, but will have plenty of choice from used Land Rovers and old ones ready for rebuild. Dick serviced my 88 RR and "Beryl, my old SIII. He knows his land rovers. Mark From "Mark Talbot" Wed Jan 3 17:26:51 1996 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 96 17:26:51 UT From: "Mark Talbot" Subject: RE: Poor mail order performance Try BM, or even Land Rover Supermarket. I too tried Craddocks, they take too long to ship 6-8 weeks and both orders were wrong. I wrote to John Craddock complaining and he never responded, so I wrote to LRO letters, and they never published it !!! Guess who is pulling the strings there ? We are not alone here in the states, my Dad refuses to order from them and he lives in the UK. Mark ---------- From Christopher Boese Wed Jan 03 10:10:24 1996 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 10:10:24 -0800 From: Christopher Boese Subject: Re: Filters for Disco's - Headlight guards Keith Morehouse-WB9TIY wrote: > Can anyone tell me the PN for replacement oil filters in '96 Disco's ?? > Not the LRNA PN but real world parts from Fram / AC / ect... Keith, probably someone will come up with the part number for you, but I thought I ought to mention that my dealer insists I must use original filters in order not to have warranty problems; that is, if an aftermarket filter fails and causes trouble, repairs would not be covered by warranty. Then again, what trouble could an oil filter cause? -- Christopher Boese County of San Bernardino, California Information Services, Information Systems Security Office '95 beluga black Discovery V8i From debrown@srp.gov 03 96 Jan MST 1911 Date: 03 Jan 96 11:18:01 MST From: debrown@srp.gov Subject: Disco CD player FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 Brad asks if there's any "special magic" that makes the LR CD player the only option for a CD changer for the Disco. Short answer: Yes. LR has at a very minimum switched the cable pins around so only their CD changer will work with the factory radio. The "FM modulated" units (I have one) are okay, but not as good. Some of the LR places (Rovers North, British Pacific, etc.) offer the factory CD changers for a decent price. Crutchfield's MAY offer an adapter (1-800-955-3000) but they didn't a year ago when I had my Disco. Good luck... #=======# ________ We make a living by what we get, |__|__|__\___ /__/__|__\___ we make a life by what we give. | _| | |_ |} \_/-\_|__/-\_|} "(_)""""""(_)" (_) (_) Winston Churchill From debrown@srp.gov 03 96 Jan MST 1911 Date: 03 Jan 96 11:20:59 MST From: debrown@srp.gov Subject: Disco CD player FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 Brad asks if there's any "special magic" that makes the LR CD player the only option for a CD changer for the Disco. Short answer: Yes. LR has at a very minimum switched the cable pins around so only their CD changer will work with the factory radio. The "FM modulated" units (I have one) are okay, but not as good. Some of the LR places (Rovers North, British Pacific, etc.) offer the factory CD changers for a decent price. Crutchfield's MAY offer an adapter (1-800-955-3000) but they didn't a year ago when I had my Disco. Good luck... #=======# ________ We make a living by what we get, |__|__|__\___ /__/__|__\___ we make a life by what we give. | _| | |_ |} \_/-\_|__/-\_|} "(_)""""""(_)" (_) (_) Winston Churchill From Bennett Leeds Wed Jan 3 10:30:08 1996 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 96 10:30:08 PST From: Bennett Leeds Subject: Re: New and old Rovers, Dealerships > If I decide that my Green Rover needs a new young sibling, or if > anyone asks me where to go to buy a new Rover, I'll point them to > the San Jose British Motors. Rover lot. That would be the exact opposite of the advice I'd give. The salesmen I've met know very little about the current models, and only one knew anything about Series Rovers. They pulled unethical tatics on me during the sales negotiation process. The service department has also so far failed in the most rudimentary of customer service items - calling the customer when the part they ordered came in AND returning a phone calls. Now maybe they're having growing pains, what with the building of their facility and all, but so far my experiences there leave much to be desired. On the other hand, I was treated very well at the Thousand Oaks Land Rover Center in southern CA during a recent trip down there (I live in No. CA). My "Check Engine" light had come on at Midnight. I called the next morning, explained the situation, and they took my car in right away and looked at it while I waited there and at the Hummer dealership around the corner ;^)). I had asked many questions and got courteous answers about everything from accessories to the new Range Rover HSE to the obstacle course in front. When my car was ready, the sales manager comes out and asks if I want to try the obstacle course, which of course I accept. He rode along with me, instructing me (which I needed). Very patient. Overall, even though these guys knew I wasn't about to buy a second LR or even be down there again any time soon, they took time out for me and turned what could have been a real hassle on a trip away from home into a pleasurable experience. - Bennett Leeds From debrown@srp.gov 03 96 Jan MST 1911 Date: 03 Jan 96 11:14:46 MST From: debrown@srp.gov Subject: Advice on water sealing. (lights, ignition) FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 Forgot to mention in my last post, (nearly drowning my Range Rover) Any advice on sealing lights and ignition system? Will petroleum jelly work? (or will it just melt) Should I glue them shut with silicone? And how about the distributor? Any long term solutions? (rubber glove on a 4-cyl distributor is more of a short term solution, besides, this one's a v8.) Thanks, Dave (u-boat captain) Brown #=======# ________ We make a living by what we get, |__|__|__\___ /__/__|__\___ we make a life by what we give. | _| | |_ |} \_/-\_|__/-\_|} "(_)""""""(_)" (_) (_) Winston Churchill From Bennett Leeds Wed Jan 3 10:36:44 1996 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 96 10:36:44 PST From: Bennett Leeds Subject: Re: Filters for Disco's - Headlight guards > my dealer insists I must use original filters in order not to have > warranty problems This is an old scam, and is now, I believe, actually illegal. Routine maintenance items do not have to be made or installed by a particular company, they just have to meet the specifications set out by the factory. Thus, you'll note that the oil and filters you buy from Castrol, Penzoil, Fram, AC, etc. all state "meets or exceeds factory specifications" (or something similar). Your warranty will NOT be voided by using them. Your dealer is just scamming you because they like charging $78 for an oil and filter change that someone else would do for less than $30. - Bennett Leeds From janjan@xs4all.nl (Jan Schokker) Wed Jan 3 20:13:43 1996 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 20:13:43 +0100 From: janjan@xs4all.nl (Jan Schokker) Subject: Military fan or not? Hello all, A couple of weeks ago I asked this question about my fan, and the possibility of replacing it with an electric one. No reply. I decided to be stubborn, and try again. So here goes (sorry if you have seen it before): I wrote about electric fans: -- With my 109 SIII it is not an option to put it in front of the radiator I guess, because being ex-military it has an enourmous oil-cooler in front of the radiator. -- Then Stefan answered: -- In that case you would obviously need one mounted behind the rad. On the other hand I wouldn't remove the propeller from a military model with an oil cooler. The regular fans on those models are much larger and stronger than on 'normal' models with only 4 small fan blades. Depending on how close the propeller is running to the radiator, there might not be much room left for an additional electric fan. -- But: My fan has four small blades, and is only abt. 36 cm in diameter. Does this make it a non-military model? If so, how big is a military fan? If I would remove the fan, there is 7 cm clearance between the fanpulley and the radiator. That should be enough for an electric fan, right? The reason I ask is that I am looking for ways to cut down the cost of fuel, and get a quicker warm-up in winter. I am also following the recent discussion about Free-wheeling hubs with interest.It will be good for my holliday budget when I go to Spain in the summer. Someone claimed an increase in top speed of 10 mph. That seems a lot! Thanks, Jan S. (Not Jan B.) janjan@xs4all.nl De Woude, the Netherlands From Ross Leidy Wed Jan 03 14:13:03 1996 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 96 14:13:03 0500 From: Ross Leidy Subject: Re: 25% tarriff - MAJOR UPDATE On 01/02/96 at 11:33 PM, Wdcockey@aol.com penned: >The 25% imported truck tarrif NO LONGER APPLIES to 2 door sport utes >as a result of a decision law suit (by Nissan I believe). I believe >this occured a year or so ago. I recall LRNA quoted in Automotive >News as saying this would help there margin on D90's but they would >also use part of it to enhance the product. The D90 SW pricing may >reflect this. I heard the same thing from my LR dealer when I purchased my 95 D90. The tariff was eliminated for the D90s that had the rear seat and rear roll cage installed. All of the later NAS 95 models came that way as standard equipment. As a result, the dealer had an early 95 with no rear seat or rear roll cage, and a later one with them, and they were priced nearly identically. _____________________________________ Ross Leidy (ross@secant.com) Secant Technologies, Inc. 95 NAS D90 From "R. Pierce Reid" 03 96 Jan EST 1914 Date: 03 Jan 96 14:51:34 EST From: "R. Pierce Reid" Subject: PR 01/03 1302 LAND ROVER SETS COMPANY-WIDE RECORDS IN 1995 Thought this would be of interest. R. P. Reid LAND ROVER SETS COMPANY-WIDE RECORDS IN 1995 Sales exceed 20,000 units LANHAM, Md., Jan. 3 /PRNewswire/ -- Land Rover North America, Inc. broke all previous year-end retail records in 1995, passing the 20,000 mark for the first time, exceeding such well-known luxury marques as Jaguar and Audi, thus maintaining North America's status as the world's largest Land Rover export market. The 20,026 units sold represent a 66 percent increase over 1994's total sales. For the month of December, 2,856 retails marked the company's biggest month ever and the 21st consecutive monthly sales increase, with a 46 percent rise over the same month in 1994. The sales tally represents approximately 15 percent of Land Rover's total production, which exceeded 100,000 units this year for the first time in the company's 47 year history. Charles R. Hughes, president, Land Rover North America, said, "1995 was a year of records for us in sales, dealerbody size, employment, and product accolades. We're proud of our achievements and are aiming at continued growth in '96. "Demand is strong for every one of our vehicles," Hughes continued, "from the all-new Range Rover 4.0 SE and sporty 4.6 HSE, to the limited edition Defender 90 Station Wagon and high-value Land Rover Discovery. In addition to achieving new sales levels, our products have received a record number of awards from enthusiast and consumer publications, ranging from Automobile Magazine and Four Wheeler to Popular Science and Robb Report." Land Rover sales were paced by the nation's first exclusive four-wheel drive dealership network. Called Land Rover Centres, these unique automotive outlets offer sport utility buyers a knowledgeable sales staff, superior customer service, factory-trained technical support and expert four-wheel drive instruction, all in a comfortable, relaxed setting. The concept behind the development of Centres in the U.S. is to boost business by promoting the off-road lifestyle; Centres provide four-wheel drive vehicle accessories such as ski racks, brush bars and auxiliary lights. In addition, the company has this year begun marketing its own line of Land Rover Gear -- clothing and personal accessories designed specifically for Land Rover owners. The thirty Centres currently operating around the country have garnered a blizzard of attention from local and national business and automotive media and have been recognized as "[providing] a roadmap to the future" of automotive retailing, according to Business Week. Land Rover expects to open as many as forty more Centres by the end of 1996. The North American arm of Britain's best-selling sport utility manufacturer also posted a record year for wholesale numbers, with a total of 21,631, a 64 percent increase over 1994's 13,178, the previous all-time high. SALES SUMMARY DECEMBER '95 DECEMBER '94 Y-T-D '95 Y-T-D '94 2,856 (+46.4%) 1,951 20,026 (+66.3%) 12,045 Range Rover 828 427 6,885 4,082 Defender 90 207 127 1,571 1,468 Discovery 1,821 1,397 11,570 6,495 Land Rover North America, Inc. is a member of the Rover Group of Companies, importing vehicles manufactured by Land Rover, Solihull, England. The Rover Group is a wholly-owned subsidiary of BMW AG. -0- 1/3/96 /CONTACT: Bill Baker or Jenifer O'Brien of Land Rover, 301-731-9041/ From debrown@srp.gov 03 96 Jan MST 1913 Date: 03 Jan 96 13:14:13 MST From: debrown@srp.gov Subject: Mail madness FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 From Dixon Kenner Wed Jan 3 16:35:52 1996 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 16:35:52 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re: Auxiliary Heaters for anything. On Tue, 2 Jan 1996 JEPurnell@aol.com wrote: > This is probably fantasy talk since the cost is high, not for the faint at > heart, but it just seemed like the answer to all this "cold" talk. I'm > thinkin', if I hooked one of these heaters up in my defender, on a remote > control like the alarm system, and . . . Doesn't JC Whitless have a propane power inline heater available? Not cheap, but an idea. If there was a reasonably priced heater to heat the engine that did not require electricity, I and a couple others might be interested if shown to work. If the heater requires electricity, they are useless unless their is power at the destination. (see how well a 109 starts after sitting all day at -20c while you are at work & there are no plug ins.) From TONY YATES Thu Jan 4 05:34:23 1996 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 05:34:23 +0800 (WST) From: TONY YATES Subject: Re: Advice on water sealing. (lights, ignition) On 3 Jan 1996 debrown@srp.gov wrote: > Forgot to mention in my last post, (nearly drowning my Range Rover) Any > advice on sealing lights and ignition system? Will petroleum jelly work? (or > will it just melt) Should I glue them shut with silicone? And how about the distributor? Any long term solutions? (rubber glove on a 4-cyl distributor is more of a short term solution, besides, this one's a v8.) The first time I took my 110 V8 sailing the motor spluttered and nearly died due to water in the distributor. After that I put a bead of silicone around the base of the distributor cap before installing it, and also around the HT leads, which probably isn't necessary. Haven't had any problems since. Cheers. ==================================================================== _____________________ /_____________________\ Tony Yates | | | | Port Hedland _ | _________ _ _________ | _ Western Australia |-| |[_________] [_________]| |-| |_| ----------------------- |_| \| \ =============== / |/ A.Yates@bom.gov.au ======================= |o _ |===========| _ o| Opinions expressed /| (_)|===========|(_) |\ here are almost but ||o____|===========|____o|| not quite entirely ||_______________________|| unlike those of the \[_______________________]/ Bureau of Meteorology. |\|/|---\_/---------|\|/| |\|/| |\|/| '85 110 V8 (Pamela) ----- ----- ===================================================================== From russ burns Wed Jan 3 14:23:16 1996 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:23:16 -0800 From: russ burns Subject: Re: Auxiliary Heaters for anything. I have an old VW gas heater I am going to install on my D-90 someday. With the fuel presure from the EFI, I could probably turn the Damn thing into a jet engine.... Russ Burns > Doesn't JC Whitless have a propane power inline heater available? > Not cheap, but an idea. If there was a reasonably priced heater [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)] > destination. (see how well a 109 starts after sitting all day at > -20c while you are at work & there are no plug ins.) Russ Burns cisco/Ford 313-317-0451 From rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice) Wed Jan 3 17:42:43 1996 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:42:43 -0500 From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice) Subject: ROAV newsletters The most recent club newsletters are being posted out tonight/tomorrow, and as 33 of you on this list are club members, I'm going to say something here first. There is a typo - the club T-shirts are for sale for $15, *not $1.5*. So, any of you wise acres who insist on the latter price will get a package alright, but it'll be from the Unabomber instead! Cheers and Happy New Year to all. *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----* | A. P. (Sandy) Grice | | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia | | 1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | | E-mail: rover@pinn.net Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day) | | 804-423-4898 (Evenings) FAX: 804-622-7056 | *-----------------------------------------------------* From Wes Newman Wed Jan 3 15:05:19 1996 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 15:05:19 AST From: Wes Newman Subject: Electrical problems with 1967 109" NADA Need help.... I need to find a short...I think. Tried to start my 1967 109 the other day and the battery was dead... charged it and the Rover ran well for a week, but last night when driving home the instrument panel lights went dim and then it would not start after about 2 hours when I needed to go.... th battery was completely dead again. I know there's a short but how do I find it. Wes Newman Anchorage, Alaska 1967 NADA 109 Land Rover From Daniel Polak <100013.511@compuserve.com> 03 96 Jan EST 1919 Date: 03 Jan 96 19:07:38 EST From: Daniel Polak <100013.511@compuserve.com> Subject: military vehicles magazine Sometime ago I asked somebody on the list where to get Military Vehicles magazine and was given an address to contact them on, I left it that at home. I am now on holiday in Ft. Lauderdale Florida (I live in the Netherlands, normal e-mail daniel@sys.nl) I went in to several bookstores and asked about this magazine. None had it on sale. Is it only available to subscribers? If not where would I be able to get it? Please reply directly to my Compuserve address as I am not subscribed to the list from my Compuserve account. Daniel Polak From Wdcockey@aol.com Wed Jan 3 19:35:23 1996 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 19:35:23 -0500 From: Wdcockey@aol.com Subject: Re: Poor mail order performance In a message dated 96-01-03 14:34:12 EST, you write: >Wouldn't be Craddocks by any chance would it ? I've given up on these >people altogether now. We've placed a bunch of orders with them this >year and _every_ one has had items missing, or just not been shipped >at all. I've had reasonably good luck with Craddocks over the last several years, including several months ago. I've faxed a request for quote, then faxed the order and paid by bankcard. Just don't expect genuine unless specified. No experience with DLS. David Cockey Rochester, Michigan From Wdcockey@aol.com Wed Jan 3 19:39:48 1996 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 19:39:48 -0500 From: Wdcockey@aol.com Subject: Re: Salesmen Just a thought. Both our SII's were originally purchased by professionals with good incomes who used thame as second vehicles and never took them off-road seriously. Do I detect a similarity to many current Discovery and RR owners. From Duncan Brown Wed Jan 03 21:45:37 1996 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 21:45:37 -0500 (EST) From: Duncan Brown Subject: Re: military vehicles magazine Daniel, > Sometime ago I asked somebody on the list where to get Military Vehicles > magazine and was given an address to contact them on, I left it that at home. I That was me! > am now on holiday in Ft. Lauderdale Florida (I live in the Netherlands, normal > e-mail daniel@sys.nl) I went in to several bookstores and asked about this > magazine. None had it on sale. Is it only available to subscribers? If not where > would I be able to get it? I've never seen it on any newsstand... > Please reply directly to my Compuserve address as I am not subscribed to the > list from my Compuserve account. I'm replying to both places, in case others are interested: Military Vehicles Magazine PO Box 1748 Union, NJ 07083 908-688-6015 9am-12pm Mon-Thurs Eastern time fax 908-686-0358 9am-4pm Mon-Thurs Eastern time 6 issues per year USA: 1yr $18/ 2yr $29 Canada: 1yr $28/ 2yr $49 All other: 1yr $30/ 2yr $54 (Higher for first class mailing; US funds on a US bank; no credit cards) Back issues are available for $3 each ($5 outside US) [iss's 1,2,5 NLA] January 1996 is issue number 53 It's fun reading, even though I'll probably never actually own the duece and a half I'd like to! Recent issues have seen several very nice running *actual* military HMMWV's selling for far less than their chintsy civilian counterparts. Nobody addresses street-legality though- that's probably the "problem" that drives down the price... Duncan From cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Wed Jan 03 18:47:18 1996 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 18:47:18 +0000 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: military vehicles magazine Daniel Polak <100013.511@compuserve.com> writes: :Sometime ago I asked somebody on the list where to get Military Vehicles :magazine and was given an address to contact them on, I left it that at home. I :am now on holiday in Ft. Lauderdale Florida (I live in the Netherlands, normal :e-mail daniel@sys.nl) I went in to several bookstores and asked about this :magazine. None had it on sale. Is it only available to subscribers? If not where :would I be able to get it? It's probably only available by subscription. "Army Motors" and "Suppy Line" are published by the Military Vehicle Preservation Association (MVPA) PO Box 520378, Independance, Missouri, USA 64052-0378 Ph. 816-737-5111, Fax 816-737-5423, Orders 800-365-5798 Cheers, Michael Carradine, Architect Ph/Fax 510-988-0900 Carradine Studios, PO Box 494, Walnut Creek, CA 94597 USA _________________________________________________________________________ Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page at: http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html From "Gerald" Wed Jan 3 22:09:18 1996 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 22:09:18 -0500 From: "Gerald" Subject: Re: New and old Rovers, Dealerships On 3 Jan 96 at 10:30, Bennett Leeds wrote: . . . . > Overall, even though these guys knew I wasn't about to buy a second > LR or even be down there again any time soon, they took time out for > me and turned what could have been a real hassle on a trip away from > home into a pleasurable experience. And even if they were not motivated out of kindness or brand loyalty they got something for their work. You told a large number of people about your experience. So when my sister-in-law in Los Angeles decides to become an LRO . . . . -- Gerald g@ix.netcom.com From "Gerald" Wed Jan 3 22:09:17 1996 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 22:09:17 -0500 From: "Gerald" Subject: Re: Filters for Disco's - Headlight guards On 3 Jan 96 at 11:37, Keith Morehouse-WB9TIY wrote: . . . . > Anybody run across headlight rock sheilds for Disco's yet ?? The clear > polycarbonate type, not the wire kind ?? G2 sez they have these in the > home market "gear" list, but my local dealer has no knowledge of it. Rovers North has them as "Perspex Lamp Protectpr Set" part STC8932 for US$85. That is the same part number as in the UK accessories catalog for Discos made after Mar 94. No picture in either place. Just today I was thinking of getting some myself. -- Gerald g@ix.netcom.com From BDaviscar@aol.com Wed Jan 3 23:24:40 1996 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 23:24:40 -0500 From: BDaviscar@aol.com Subject: fuel to burn? Hi All My name is Bruce. I am new to the list and the net. I own a 1967 SIIa 88. I am having a problem with the fuel gauge. It reads empty when full and half a tank when empty. I had to replace the tank with a used one (there was none in the 88 when I got it.) the sender worked fine when it was removed from my brothers 72 SIIA 88 my 88 was positive ground but is now negitive ground. this is most likely why it reads backwards but the reading half full when empty has me stumped. Can anyone Help? Some back ground on the car. When I got it a year ago the engine was stuck, the trans was in first for life. The landi had been sitting out side a barn in Wisconson for two to three years and as best I can tell for about 15 years all together. My brother and I have brought it back from the "dead" and it is now my daily driver. It looks to have parts from about 5 other landi's on it as it is that many colors. That is why I call it Patches. so can anyone help ? PLEASE!! Bruce, Chicago 67 SIIA 88 named Patches From Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus 3 96 Jan EST 1923 Date: 3 Jan 96 23:25:05 EST From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus Subject: Re: Electrical problems with 1967 109" NADA Re: Short: Sit down with the schematics and think a bit. Whatever it is is fairly heavy and is not on the fused circuits, else the fuses would have blown (or did they?). Lights dimming and a battery draining down that fast would make me suspect the control box on the charging system, or something primary to the battery circuit. Low-amp stuff like lights or the heater would melt wiring before it would dim the lights. As far as finding a short, basically you need to look at the system in a failed condition (dim lights and so forth) and start unplugging stuff until the problem goes away. The trick is to be methodical - disconnect one thing at a time, and reconnect it if it proves to not be the culprit. Start with the main branches, then find the section that fails and work downhill from there. What was the ammeter reading? Alan From Andy Dingley Thu Jan 04 05:13:03 1996 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 1996 05:13:03 GMT From: Andy Dingley Subject: Connector availability Does anyone have a UK source for the multi-pole connectors used on an '85 Rangie ? These are the round plastic bodies with the rubber water seal and the round pins. I'm usually happy with my 1/4" spades in multipole blocks, but they're a little bulky and require a wrap of self amalgamating tape to waterproof them. I can't find them at Lucas, Ripaults or Durite. Thanks. -- Andy Dingley dingbat@codesmth.demon.co.uk alt.flame - Making the world a safer place for postal workers. From David Rosenbaum Wed Jan 3 21:20:43 1996 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 21:20:43 -0800 (PST) From: David Rosenbaum Subject: Re: military vehicles magazine Dear Daniel, Subscribe by writing to Military Vehicles Magazine Eagle Press P.O. Box 1748 Union, N.J. 07083 (USA $18/yr or $29/2yr) The magazine also lists a phone #: (908) 688-6015 [Monday-Thurs."9AM-12PM" Eastern Time] Best wishes, David Is 12PM noon or midnight?! From Peter Venters Thu Jan 4 10:07:20 1996 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 10:07:20 +0000 (WET) From: Peter Venters Subject: Gearbox whine Steve, For what its worth, I had a very similar complaint in my gearbox (SIIA box with Perkins 4.182 driving it). On removing the box, I found that the input shaft was very rough to turn by hand; it felt very much as if either the input shaft bearing or the gears driving the layshaft were seriously damaged. I was amazed that it would still work.