From UncleBrad@aol.com Fri Mar 31 02:48:40 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 02:48:40 -0500 From: UncleBrad@aol.com Subject: Re: parts places WEst Coast British is pretty close to me, in the San Francisco Bay Area. They had a very limited parts inventory last time I was there. They mostly do repair work. Mike Green owns the place and has some inside track with LRNA as his father, Michael Green, has worked for the company for many years. Octopus is in Vancouver, British Columbia and has a lot of parts, including great prices on used parts. Also a nice little newsletter. I like them very much. Their number is 604-925-1514. From Mark Perry Fri Mar 31 02:20:34 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 02:20:34 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Perry Subject: Overdrive special wrench The 1/2-inch brass drift method seems to be the solution, when the special wrench is unavailable. Worked for me, and other LROs hereabouts. I puzzled about the special wrench, or various substitutes until I was told to use the drift. Gets the nut off, and going back on, get it as tight as it will go, until you can fold the lock tabs over, even if you have to back it up a wee bit. So far, so good. From the looks of the special wrench, BTW, I don't see how you can get a torque reading from the thing anyway. Now, I just have to deal with that awful whine! Cheers, Mark Perry Winnipeg MB CDA '66 IIA 88" If it isn't leaking, it's probably out of something. From Martin Richards Fri Mar 31 09:24:00 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 95 09:24:00 GMT From: Martin Richards Subject: Re: Clark Gable Sighting "Lapa, Hank" wrote: The local PBS station ran "Mogambo" a couple times in the last week or Could this have been the earliest L-R appearance in a major picture? In the film '633 Squadron', Land Rovers can be seen during the closing sequence. Since this is set in the '39-'45 war (some 3 years before the things were invented!) I think this must the earliest sighting... Re the comments on stalling SIIs when wet, my '78 109" SIII used to do much the same. I filched a coil cover off my girlfriend's Peugeot to keep the wet away from the coil leads (but a plastic lemonade bottle can be persuaded to do much the same job), and sprayed everything in sight with some silicon sealant meant for doing spark plugs. With a good dollop of vaseline or grease round the inside of the distributor cap too, the thing seemed to run fine after that. Prior to this, when jet-washing, I found it better to turn the engine OFF, because otherwise the fan would ensure that any water finding its way into the engine bay then found its way in to everything :( Martin. ps Yes I'm new on this list! I used to have a 109 SIII hard top, with rear seats and side windows Then the climbing/mountaineering bug started to require a vehicle capable of 300 miles or so on most Friday evenings rather than taking the entire weekend about it. (I live in Enfield, North London, well known for its mountains!) So the SIII turned into a '91 Discovery Tdi. Wonderful vehicle (seven seats are very useful for Scout leaders), but the metallic paint job rather limits the off-roading potential! From Andrew Grafton Fri Mar 31 10:56:40 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 95 10:56:40 BST From: Andrew Grafton Subject: Cables for winches I'm the new owner of an exceedingly chunky hand winch which will fit on the front of a SIII between the wings. The device is basically just one huge worm drive, and our (conservative) estimate is that it will be capable of putting about 3 tons of tension on a cable if you really give it some. Said winch was never meant to be mounted on a landrover, but the technology is entirely appropriate for our purposes. Our problem is that at the minute it doesn't have any cable fitted. Looking at the diameter of the cable drum (8 cm without cable on) I would guess that the maximum cable diameter we can get away with is approx. 8mm. Anyone care to comment on whether or not that is correct, and whether or not we could get away with something of larger diameter? Along the same lines, does anyboby have data on the tension required to break galvanised multistrand cables of various construction? I want to be able to take a first guess at how I'm going to stop us breaking the cable with the winch. Has anyone ever used nylon webbing as a 'cable' for winching? It strikes me that some of that 10-ton stuff about 1/8" thick and 2" wide would fit nicely around that winch drum... Any input would be appreciated. All the best, Andy A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk From Vel Natarajan Fri Mar 31 04:42:30 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 04:42:30 -0600 (CST) From: Vel Natarajan Subject: A Connecticut Yankee in King Lucas' Court Actually, an Illinois Yankee in Swindon, but it sounded better the other way... Hello, I've been sent by my company on assignment to work in England for about 6-12 months and while I'm here would like to purchase a SIIa LWB Land Rover to bring back with me. I'd really like to contact some local owners to talk Rovers with and possibly help me out in my search. I'm working and living in Swindon, Wiltshire. If there are any owners reading the list who are nearby who wouldn't mind helping me in my search, I'd be grateful... and would be willing to express my gratitude with beer. :-) Please feel free to email me at: nataraja@ecid.cig.mot.com Thanks, and I'm looking forward to meeting with some of you! Vel ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Kumaravel Natarajan Phone: +44-793-541541 x5529 Motorola Fax: +44-793-430-987 European Cellular Infrastructure Group Mobile: +49-171-854-6670 16 Euro Way, Email: Blagrove, Swindon, nataraja@ecid.cig.mot.com England, SN5 8YQ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From Franz.Parzefall@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE Fri Mar 31 15:12:14 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 15:12:14 +0200 (MET DST) From: Franz.Parzefall@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE Subject: re: Cables for winches A.J.Grafton writes: > Has anyone ever used nylon webbing as a 'cable' for winching? It > strikes me that some of that 10-ton stuff about 1/8" thick and 2" > wide would fit nicely around that winch drum... Hi Andrew, I didn't fiddle around with winches jet, but using nylon ropes, webbing or whatever could be dangerous I think. These things are elastic (ie. a 20m climing rope with my 75kg at the end is about 1m longer than without), which means that I wouldn't like to be in the range if such a 'cable' breaks while winching a car. Just a thought. CU Franz --------------------------------------------------------------- Franz Parzefall fparzefa@physik.tu-muenchen.de --------------------------------------------------------------- From vogel@shrsys.hslc.org Fri Mar 31 09:05:12 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 09:05:12 EST From: vogel@shrsys.hslc.org Subject: new club in pennsylvania A few committed souls are going to meet at 1pm, April 8 at the Bob Evans on rte 30 in Lancaster, PA to form a Land Rover club. If you are interested, please attend. I understand that spouses are welcome. If you are interested but cannot attend, let me know so that I can keep you informed of any progress. Tom Vogel 1972 SIII '88 vogel@shrsys.hslc.org Gladwyne, PA USA From Bill Yerazunis Fri Mar 31 09:50:58 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 09:50:58 +0500 From: Bill Yerazunis Subject: hand-powered winches (come-alongs) I've used a couple- they do work. How long they work for is a matter of what quality device you buy. I've had a good one for, well, since 1976. I keep it out of damp, keep the cable and mechanism slightly oiled to prevent rust, and it works just fine. Admittedly it's only a 1-ton unit, but I've never found that to be inadequate for my needs... I rarely need to "go vertical". On the other hand, you can get crappy units that will fold up like cardboard. Yeah, they're slow, they require elbow grease. But they do work well for occasional/backup system use. Remember to keep the cable wound flat- a kinked cable is significantly weakened. And NEVER hook the cable to itself! -Bill From Charlie Wright Fri Mar 31 15:49:42 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 15:49:42 +0059 (BST) From: Charlie Wright Subject: re: Cables for winches On Fri, 31 Mar 1995 Franz.Parzefall@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE wrote: > A.J.Grafton writes: > > Has anyone ever used nylon webbing as a 'cable' for winching? It > Hi Andrew, > I didn't fiddle around with winches jet, but using nylon ropes, > webbing or whatever could be dangerous I think. These things are This is sound advice, but there are more and less elastic lines. There are also other (kevlar, etc) things besides nylon woven into some lines to increase strength, decrease stretch, etc. The weave makes a big difference. I suspect if you look around, something suitable could be found, but it may be more expensive than cable in the long run. The big risk with stretching, as you say, is the energy stored in the line. If a shackle comes loose, it will slingshot through any aluminium panel it makes contact with (I've seen the results of this, not the accident). So, it could be done, I'm sure, but chose carefully for the job (LRO about 6-8 months ago had a feature on recovery and ropes) and consider how to secure the line (good knots, shackles, etc...) before you try it. Cheers, Charlie From Dixon Kenner Fri Mar 31 10:08:44 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 10:08:44 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re: Cables for winches On Fri, 31 Mar 1995, Andrew Grafton wrote: > Our problem is that at the minute it doesn't have any cable fitted. > Looking at the diameter of the cable drum (8 cm without cable on) 3/8 inch cable should be just fine, its common, and with a 6,000 pound capacity, I doubt you will break it. > Has anyone ever used nylon webbing as a 'cable' for winching? It > strikes me that some of that 10-ton stuff about 1/8" thick and 2" > wide would fit nicely around that winch drum... We use the stuff to protect trees and allow us to get a winch cable off without having the cable sunk into he tree. If you think about it, that strap on the drum will work very well if you are going straight ahead. If you are off angle at all, it will very happily bunch up on one side and make a bit of a mess. Steel cable is better. Rgds, From kleihors@prl.philips.nl Fri Mar 31 18:01:38 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 18:01:38 METDST From: kleihors@prl.philips.nl Subject: LRO's in Europe. Hi Steven, Sure, there are lots of LROs in Europe! On my way to work each morning from the North of Belgium to the South of "The Netherlands" (definately not "Holland", for the insiders) I always meet an occasional series IIa or III. In Europe, these LRs look huge among the other traffic. There's even a nice early III pick-up version on the parking lot at work. I really am eager to get the IIa LWB finished soon, to join this crowd. Thinking/hoping that everything was done for the safety test, I removed the rear drums to inspect and clean-up the rear brakes. The brake shoes were swimming in oil though the brake pedal is firm. Seams like the rear hub seals are leaking. Fortunately I have a pile of new parts and will replace the oil seals this weekend. I assume that the brake shoes and rubber parts will be shot too. Only, I couldn't really find anything wrong with the rear hubs and the oil seals. I will check out the rear axle breather valve, maybe this is blocked? You will enjoy this list very much, there are a couple of Dutch folks on line, and we can brag a little at the national club meetings. I am in the progress of becoming a member of the Dutch LR register, hey, I only got the LRs a couple of weeks! Maybe we're going to Norway in August, somebody going to the June Mini-Meet in Sweden? Take care, Richard P. Kleihorst. speaking for: '63 LWB Safari SW "Lou Wee Balls" '60 SWB Pick-up "St. Jan" From "Russell G. Dushin" Fri Mar 31 11:45:17 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 95 11:45:17 EST From: "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: Re: LRO's in Europe. > will be shot too. Only, I couldn't really find anything wrong with the > rear hubs and the oil seals. I will check out the rear axle breather valve, > maybe this is blocked? certainly could be. comes apart...disassemble and clean. be sure to replace the seal races when you do the seals....the slightest groove will surely leak. they come off easier than it may seem at first....use a sharp chisel (it is soft metal and will break easily). rgds, rd/nige From Ray Harder Fri Mar 31 10:50:21 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 10:50:21 -0600 (CST) From: Ray Harder Subject: From a Land-Rover owner in London!! (fwd) got to take that web page more seriously -- Ray Harder... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From janjan@xs4all.nl (Jan Schokker) Fri Mar 31 19:22:46 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 19:22:46 +0200 From: janjan@xs4all.nl (Jan Schokker) Subject: Series III and unleaded fuel? Hi, Still four weeks to go before we can drive our Landrover... Time for another question (thanks for the answers on the one about handpainting). I'm preparing myself with a couple of books. They give me a lot of answers, but not to this: How about running an '83 ex-military series III 109 2,25 on unleaded fuel? The guy selling me the Landrover says it is no problem, but I don't believe him. The factory repair manual makes it clear I could use fuel as low-rated as 83 octane! Nothing about lead though. I guess this wasn't an isue in 1983. Could it be the guy is right? Or should I have the head rebuilt with hardened valve seats and other valves? Will it be save to use unleaded most of the time, and use leaded fuel every now and then? If so, how often? The reason I want to know is the price difference between the two. OK, and the environment. Thanks, Jan. janjan@xs4all.nl Amsterdam, the Netherlands From berg@acf2.NYU.EDU (Jeff Berg) Fri Mar 31 13:01:10 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 13:01:10 -0500 From: berg@acf2.NYU.EDU (Jeff Berg) Subject: Re: Cables for winches Andrew Grafton asks: >Our problem is that at the minute it doesn't have any cable fitted. >Looking at the diameter of the cable drum (8 cm without cable on) [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] >correct, and whether or not we could get away with something of >larger diameter? >Along the same lines, does anyboby have data on the tension required >to break galvanised multistrand cables of various construction? I >want to be able to take a first guess at how I'm going to stop us >breaking the cable with the winch. "Cable" is more accurately referred to as aircraft cable or wire rope. With a little help from the McMaster-Carr Supply Co. catalog, I can provide you with a some information. I'd also suggest getting ahold of Land-Rover's Guide To Winching before making any decisions. (I don't have my copy here at the office.) It has some suggestions about appropriate cables for winching. I assume no responsibility for the accuracy of this information, or anything that goes wrong from using it, so please check with the wire rope manufacturer or supplier about the appropriateness of their prodcut for your use. (Hey, I'm from America. Someone's always trying to sue me. ;-}) Here are the breaking strength figures for a couple of different types of 3/8 aircraft cable, which I believe is the equivalent to 8mm. (I could have screwed up the conversion though.) Remember, breaking strength does not equal working strength. Depending on whose safety standards you use, and what the application is, working strength is generally considered to be between 10% and 25% of breaking strength. I'd always err on the side of caution on this as a snapped wire rope flying at you is not a pretty thing to be watching and may in fact become the last thing you see. Breaking Abrasion Flex- Strength Resistance ibility 3/8 Galv. Steel Extra Flex, 7x19 standed core: 14,400lbs good very good 3/8 Type 316 Stainless Steel, 7x19 stranded core: 11000lbs good good 3/8 Type 304 Stainless Steel, 7x19 stranded core: 12000lbs moderate good 3/8 Type 302 Stainless Steel, 7x19 stranded core: 12000lbs good excellent There a several more types of wire rope listed, but essentially the breaking strengths are in the same general range. Once again, please follow safe engineering practices when using this stuff, there's more to it than just breaking strength. >From my perspective doing professional theatrical rigging (lighting, sound systems and scenery) and from working on the rigging, both wire rope and "real" rope of sailboats, I have very little experience at "heavy" vehicle recovery: As I was in the process of gathering this information someone responded to the question of using synthetic ropes for this purpose, and specifically to check for good knots. I would tend to avoid knots all together in this application, as they significantly reduce the breaking strength of the rope. An eye splice around a metal thimble would be the only way I'd even consider using a rope as a recovery device. I don't think I would consider using it on a winch, only as a "recovery strap". (In which case I'd go ahead and use my nylon recovery strap anyhow.) Regards. JAB == == Jeffrey A. Berg Interactive Telecommunications Program Technical Administrator New York University berg@acf2.nyu.edu ================= My garden is full of papayas and mangos. My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos. Taste for the good life. I can see it no other way. --Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version) == == From siccama@terena.nl (Steven Siccama) Fri Mar 31 21:18:03 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 21:18:03 +0200 From: siccama@terena.nl (Steven Siccama) Subject: Re: Series III and unleaded fuel? Hi Jan, >Could it be the guy is right? Or should I have the head rebuilt with >hardened valve seats and other valves? Will it be save to use unleaded most >of the time, and use leaded fuel every now and then? >If so, how often? No, the guy who sold you the car was not right. The 2.25 engine will not run on unleaded fuel according to the manuals. On the other end lots of cars, especially here in The Netherlands, run on LPG, which is, as you know, also unleaded. Some people have run over 100,000 km on LPG without a converted cillinder head, without having any problems. In my opinion it is best to have the head rebuild with other valves and valve seats. Cheers, Steven Amsterdam Netherlands From Easton Trevor Thu Mar 30 18:10:00 1995 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 95 18:10:00 EST From: Easton Trevor Subject: Down East Rally - Owls Head New member , J Cassidy's location reminded me of the Owls Head meet in July. Myles Murphy says that this year is going to be organised and may even have some sponsorship from LRNA. Starting Saturday July 1st with Off Road day, various activities, then Sunday at Owls Head as usual but some actual Rover type activities are planned. Whether any or all of this comes to fruition remains to be seen, it's a great spot to visit anyway. Mary and I intend to travel down in Miss Golightly this year via Lewiston, 104, Troy, and points east. Anyone on route we can meet, convoy with, use as emergency back up? Digest subscribers at the meet should have some distinguishing feature. Suggestions are invited. (Khaki Camouflaged Laptop with trailing TCP/IP cable) Does anyone have regular contact with Myles Murphy so I can use the digest to communicate and keep up to date on the event? Trevor Easton 1962 SII SWB Miss Golightly. From bcw6@cornell.edu (Braman Wing) Fri Mar 31 15:37:55 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 15:37:55 -0500 From: bcw6@cornell.edu (Braman Wing) Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest >Date: Thu, 30 Mar 95 14:05:14 PST >From: mtalbot@InterServ.Com (Mark Talbot) [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)] >overdrive WITHOUT using the special spanner/wrench to remove the mainshaft nut >??? My mainshaft nut was loose enough to be undone by hand(!), but I ended up making my own wrench to tighten it. I dug a piece of pipe just the right diameter out of the scrap pile and ground a bunch of notches in it. Then I drilled a hole through the other end and stuck a piece of steel rod through to turn it. It looks kind of third world, but it did the job. It took about 20 minutes, but I think it would be a lot harder to do if you didn't have the nut off already to use as a template. If you get really desparate, I can send you mine (assuming you're on the same continent as NY) The punch trick would also probably work fine, as long as you don't drop any metal bits into the box. Good Luck. bcw From OUDERKIR@scanva.canton.edu Fri Mar 31 16:02:37 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 16:02:37 -0500 (EST) From: OUDERKIR@scanva.canton.edu Subject: carbs I have been contemplating whether or not to get another carberator. I have a 2.25 liter engine bored out .020 with range rover diffs.( it has alot of power) I have a rochester on it now. It gives me the power on both the high end and low end, but poor gas milage. I have had a modified holley on it that gave me 18 mpg but no power. I was looking at the weber single barrel and double barrel. I was wondering is this the way to go? If it is how much will I gain in mileage and performance? Also sould I consider putting a header on? My Rover 1970 sIIa 88 RR diffs 15"wheels with battleship bumpers Dads Rovers 1963 sIIa 88 4cyl Nissan diesel 16"wheels (Steve Denis special) 1974 sIII 88 15" orginal (future restoration project) Thanks Kier From David John Place Fri Mar 31 15:59:37 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 15:59:37 -0600 (CST) From: David John Place Subject: Re: Cables for winches Nylon strap has been used for some tome as boat winch "cable" for boat trailers. It is fine, and it doesn't kink or develop little wire needles to stick in your hands. Dave VE4PN P.S. I was in the automotive jobbers today and the electrical fellow showed me a wonderful one lead alternator for about $90. That is the way I will go next time. The regulator is built in and the mounting is the same as the Delcotron type. Only one lead to the battery. From "WILLIAM L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com> 31 95 Mar EST 1918 Date: 31 Mar 95 18:07:00 EST From: "WILLIAM L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com> Subject: Misc Hank OKX 431H is an Aug. 1969/Jul 1970 first registration ( if it is the original vehicle) Charlie Safari top, you may find it cheaper and easier to find a LWB station Wagon top and shorten the roof to swb length, you can use the sides on a swb if you want the windows, they are the same length. alternatively swop the alpine lights and vents to a swb roof. The top skin has a line of spotwelds at the swb length, just drill them out ad you have swb skin. I expect in the UK to get a 109 Station wagon top for around 100 quid. ( a few weeks ago I bought a top for 75 quid. Teje ... speedo problem, could be related to the slippage of the drive wFrom rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com ( ROY CALDWELL ) Fri Mar 31 23:26:50 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 95 23:26:50 MST From: rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com ( ROY CALDWELL ) Subject: Camel Trophy-Turkey Hi People! Got back from Army leadership training and survived the field training but really know that infantry is a game for young men. Tom Collins called this Tuesday and passed on an up-date for the Trophy. Today the team flew out to the International Trials in Turkey. He expressed a great deal of confidence in the four team members and how they will do in the trials. His opinion was that any combination of the four will make a good solid US team for Central America and the Ruta Maya. Tom passed on some info about how the International is conducted. Over the three plus days of activities there are judges at all of the stations. They score each candidate and using some form of computer program produce a preformance print-out. From this book on each candidate Tom and, probably, Bill Baker make their choices for the final two. In addition Tom indicated that the two journalist are ask for their opinions. As has been mentioned some of the judges are former SAS people and others are past Camel Team members from various countries. The four that got to make the trip are: Jim Swett, Daphne Greene, Tom Davenport and Jonah Houston. The journalist are Sue Meade- free lance motor-trades writer and Erik Schlegal of the Dallas Morning News. In addition we should see some pieces in USA Today. I hope Tom will call me when they get back so I can pass on who the final team is. For those interested there is a rep from LRNA customer service that lurks on this list. So for those that have newer Rovers and have talked about likes - dislikes and things of that nature your comments are getting to the people at LRNA. That is about it for me It's good to be back on the list. Oh, the head on my 69 is rebuilt, correctly this time, and will go on just as soon as I finish helping clean up a part of the highway with the Cub Scout pack. So this boy will have a Rover back under his butt real soon. Roy - Rovers in the Rockies Going Mobile Again From Roger Sinasohn Sun Apr 2 13:50:40 1995 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 13:50:40 -0700 From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: .gif's on the RoverWEB > How do you access the RoverWeb page? aol does not yet have access to the World Wide Web. I believe they're working on it. Compuserve is also working on this... They're going to have PPP access via a compuserve account shortly, and they recently acquired SPRY (I think), so I expect we'll see a mosaic-like web browser built into their CIM products. For those with shell accounts on a unix box (CRL, Netcom, etc.) I *highly* recommend SlipKnot. This is a shareware program that lets you access the web graphically by working with Lynx running on your unix host. It requires Windows, and is a bit slower than a Mosaic/Slip connection, but it works great and what it does is simply incredible. It's available in the simtel archive (I got my copy at FTP.CDROM.COM (Walnut Creek CD-ROM) in the /pub/simtel/win3/(something) directory.) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Sat Apr 01 19:53:59 1995 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 95 19:53:59 -0500 From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Subject: Land Rover for Sale Britains D90 #9923 for sale, mint boxed, British Telecom yellow version. USD 25 plus shipping to you Robin Craig -- Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. | Ottawa Valley Land Rovers From rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Sat Apr 01 19:56:05 1995 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 95 19:56:05 -0500 From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Subject: NEW STAMP COMING There is soon to be a release of stamps from Tristan Da Cuhna. A set of four stamps on local transport. One is a Defender 110 station wagon with winch. If you want a set or a first day cover or both let me know, no price as yet. I will cut this order of at 6pm edt Tuesday 4th april. Robin Craig -- Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. | Ottawa Valley Land Rovers From RICKCRIDER@aol.com Mon Apr 3 03:32:40 1995 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 03:32:40 -0400 From: RICKCRIDER@aol.com Subject: Rover VIN plates. I have two VI N number plates. One is for a 1970 Series llA, 88", VIN #24439966G. I used to own this Rover. I understand it now belongs to a Sheriffs Deputy or Sheriffs Dept. Employee in Knoxville Tenn. If anyone in the Knoxville area knows this guy I would like for this plate to go to it's proper owner. The other VIN plate is from a 109" llA, VIN # 26403986B. I know absolutely nothing about this Rover or the plate. It was in a box of misc rover trivia I bought at a car show. Thanks. Rick Crider '73 lll / 88" '88 Range Rover Monroe NC From Benjamin Allan Smith Sun Apr 02 22:48:55 1995 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 1995 22:48:55 -0700 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Subject: Land Rover Web page I haven't noticed anyone else posting this... http://www.dealernet.com/l_rover/l_rover.html From looking at it is mostly has Disocovery information for now, but may have links to other models in the futute. Nice Disco photo. Under Discovery performance, however, is a photo of Camel Trophy Defender (nice photo, but under the wrong heading. (the same page does have 2 other Disco photos). Other stuff on Warranties and a short "the Land Rover Story" This is a must see, even just for the photos. -Benjamin Smith ---------------- Science Applications Internation Corporation Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil 1972 Land Rover Series III 88 From "Anthony J. Bonanno" <75034.3062@compuserve.com> 03 95 Apr EDT 1900 Date: 03 Apr 95 00:19:05 EDT From: "Anthony J. Bonanno" <75034.3062@compuserve.com> Subject: Shocks (USA) for LR IIA 88 ? The heavy duty shocks that I installed 22 years ago have finally worn out. Anyone have any recommendations for an over-the-counter replacement shock here in the States?? I can always order the LR part from Rovers North, etc., but thought that there might be something else out there of comparable quality (less costly would be nice too) that I should consider. My LR is a 71 88" Series IIA. Thanks in advance! Tony Bonanno Santa Fe, NM From sohearn@InterServ.Com Sun Apr 2 18:10:19 1995 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 95 18:10:19 PDT From: sohearn@InterServ.Com Subject: D90 for '95 Got a chance to see the new '95 D90 finally. The standard soft top, a fastback design, looks pretty strange, sort of like the Isuzu Amigo. Like the new full soft top it is a Bestop product. The front turn signal lamps have been relocated to the lower lamp of two next to each headlight (formerly a parking lamp). It is larger in size and no longer matches its sibling above. The rear lamps are round (still three on the left, two on the right) but located as before. Will LR redesign the rear lamp guards? The rears are of the same style as the new front turn signal lamps. The front door trim panels are a little different and now include map pockets while the tailgate has a trim panel and pocket for the first time. The mechanism which limits how far the front doors open has been changed as well. The forward safari cage's rear slanted supports are now covered such that all metal is covered. Apparently the attachment method and its mounting position are different as well (the fibreglass hard top requires a mod when installed on a '94). The tires are BFG All-Terrain T/A's. In addition the stereo can accept a CD changer and sub-woofer. Some other option changes have been made as well. I expect for '96 we'll see lighted vanity mirrors ;-). - Stephen p.s. My local LR dealer, after inviting me to the new Range Rover 4.0SE private opening, has invited me to a LR sponsered (?) polo match. I don't know where I went wrong but I'm gonna try and get as much mud/dirt on my Defender as I can before I go so I can get maximum shock value. From Roger Sinasohn Sun Apr 2 13:50:32 1995 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 13:50:32 -0700 From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: Vent controls for IIA Rover >>the older style bulkhead vent "openers" - the ones that you turn the knob > why would you want them, they seem the crappiest way to open the vents With the levers, you have maybe 6 or 7 positions at the most. With the knobs, you can exactly set the amount of vent opening you want. Far more precise than the levers. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From S|ren Vels Christensen Sun Apr 2 02:14:01 1995 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 02:14:01 +0200 (METDST) From: S|ren Vels Christensen Subject: Re: Series III and unleaded fuel? On Fri, 31 Mar 1995, Steven Siccama wrote: > Hi Jan, > >Could it be the guy is right? Or should I have the head rebuilt with [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)] > Steven > Amsterdam Netherlands Hi FWIW: I ran Lawrence ('76 sIII) on 92oct unleaded for about 6 months without damage. Then my brother bought a '73 and ran it on unleaded also. He called the agent to ask for advise. The agent said that there is only a very little chance that damage should occur but he would not officialy reccomend unleaded fuel. If you have the guts to experiment try to fill leaded every second time. It's nice that people think about the environment. But take into consideration that lead volume is only a fraction af the volume ten or more years ago. But ofcourse if you rebuild the head (on the car) you might consider to have the engine repacked while you are at it. Then you can more or less forget about it for the next 15-20 years. Good luck sv/aurens From Russell Burns Sat Apr 1 13:40:17 1995 Date: Sat, 1 Apr 95 13:40:17 PST From: Russell Burns Subject: D-90 destroys tire I was out skidding logs in my backy yard this afternoon, when I managed to destroy a tire. One of those 164r75 16 bfgoodrich MT monster mudders... So off to the tire store I did run, only to discover this tire need to be special ordered, come at a paltry price of $200.00 a each, and will take 2 weeks to order. The BF Goodrich MT's come at a tune of $160.00 and are in stock. Since I do a lot of hi-way driving, I decided to re-shoe the beast with the AT's, and save the four good MT's for a rainy day, or some good mud north of the border. Russ Burns D-90 4/5 of the tires hold air. R-Rover From gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Sat Apr 1 09:03:20 1995 Date: Sat, 1 Apr 1995 09:03:20 -0800 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Snow-Run-One; Part 1 Sorry to have taken so long to get started on this story but this week has been very busy. I will post each installment on the Left-Coast Rover-Net and then post it the following day on lro@team.net. Many of you on lro@team.net will remember my four-part story of the first Scouting Outing, a month or so ago. Part 1, Into the Unknown, Winter Style: I tell you, this winter will be one we'll all remember. Not just because of the most gnarly weather that any of us can remember experiencing in this part of the world but also because of what we did with it. This will be remembered as the winter that brought an amazing group of hard-core Land-Rover aficionados together for some outrageous gonzo off-roading. And it will be remembered as the winter in which we began to discover the remarkable resource on our doorstep, the Mendocino National Forest. At the rate we are going, it's going to take many years to explore it all. Then we can start in on the Six Rivers National Forest and a few of the others. Ain't California great? Melanie and I took a trip to the southeast last summer. I studied the maps to check out the wild places we might want to visit. I was startled to realize that there isn't much of that sort of thing toward the right coast. Made me realize just how lucky we are to live where there is so much excellent public land near at hand. Our first scouting outing had been plagued by delays due to the bad weather and the second outing was similarly beset. We put it off a full month beyond when we had originally planned to go. Several who might have gone earlier were ruled out by the time we went because they were getting ready to go to Baja soon (Domingos Dias, Brad Blevins, and maybe others). For one reason or another, several others also fell away. At one point, it sounded like we would have 16-20 LROs on this run; about half that many made it. We did a little better this time at meeting on time and getting ourselves headed out reasonably early. But the fact remains that these get-togethers are just that. When we get together, the visiting tends to take precedence over the four-wheeling. So be it. We enjoy visiting. This time we started by having breakfast together at R&J's (dba Dottie's) Cafe in Upper Lake. Dick Hamilton and I convoyed to Upper Lake, expecting to find most LROs there already. We found Jason LaBranch's Land-Rover but not Jason. We went into the cafe and grabbed the biggest round table in the place (it later proved to be not nearly big enough). Eventually two other local LROs, Aaron Wright of Upper Lake and Bill McDow of Scotts Valley, joined us but only to send us off. Dick, too, headed back home after breakfast (no heater). Walt Swain and John Hess from Davis came along, once again doubling in Walt's Toyota pee-coupe. Jason wandered in, along with Morgan Hannaford, Bruce Bonar, Vance Chin, Jim Russell, and Gerry Mugele (with Brother Bob). The breakfast took a goodly while, as did the fueling, etc. But we had reassembled at the Ranger Station and decided on a route, all by 10:00 A.M.--a considerable improvement over last time! We had probably dawdled some, waiting to see if Ben Smith would show up. We were sure that he intended to be there but no one had heard from him. Well, we had to move on; if Ben showed up, he would have to try to find us (yeah, right). We headed up Elk Mountain Road, as before, but continued on to the intersection of M-10, the main west to east route across the southern part of the forest. By the time we got to Bear Creek Road (the first section of M-10), we were into pretty deep snow (elevation about 1,000 meters or some 3,200 feet). We had to stop at the intersection and consider awhile. Do we really want to do this? Can we do this? There WERE tracks; someone had gone into Bear Creek Road... We decided: Nothing ventured, nothing bent. So we headed down Bear Creek Road, following the tracks that were too wide for my Dodge Dakota (ugh, I'll explain later), let alone the super-narrow Land-Rovers, so we were pretty much breaking trail anyway. And we didn't get far before the tracks turned around and doubled back on themselves. Virgin snow; YES!!!! Unfortunately, our group was also liberally sprinkled with virgin snow-drivers as far as off-roading was concerned. We slipped and slid, fishtailed and spun. We grinned from ear to ear, an affliction that was to become downright worrysome as the weekend wore on 8^] We soon were able to test Vance's sand ladders (which are really not ladders but heavy steel mats which were origninally used to assemble makeshift airfields for the military) and break in our shovels (and shovers, i.e. hands). A lot. One sharp downhill turn gave my Dodge enough trouble to get me quite sideways and Jason's fat-tired Land-Rover as well. A little farther on, on an uphill turn, Gerry was the one having trouble, rather to my surprise, since his Series III 88 was shod with some very fine-looking Michelin 7.50x16s with a fairly agressive tread. But he just couldn't seem to get up around this turn. Particularly embarassing as he was right behind Walt's Toy which had no trouble (and it shod with 31x10.50x15s!!) So good old Walt, who obviously was the superior snow driver, graciously slipped into Gerry's driver's seat while Gerry and Bob stood by and watched him back this cherry Land-Rover into a ditch, against a high bank, and get it properly stuck. See how it's done, now, Gerry? No harm actually done. Enough help had come along to get Gerry going again (plenty of time, as Jason was in trouble again farther down, anyway). Meanwhile, I pulled ahead and caught up with the leaders (Vance and Morgan) who had parked on a relatively flat stretch. I was concerned about them, too, as they were making noises about "vapor lock" over the CBs. Vapor lock in this coolth? When I got there I found out what Morgan's version of vapor lock was. Fortunately, this type can be cured be a pint of best bitter. Eventually everyone caught up and enjoyed a well-earned vapor lock session. As best I can remember through the ale and stout, no significant problems were encountered for the rest of the trek down to the Rice Fork (of the Eel River) crossing. The sight of this crossing caused everyone to accrue additional increments of severe vapor lock. The hungry-giant had also attacked by this time and the bank of the river looked like a very pleasant place for lunch. This crossing is at roughly 2,100 feet and was below the snow line. The sun was beating down quite warmly. The scenery was fabulous. The company was as good as it gets (well almost, but more about that later). True to form, we dug into our tucker bags and spent about two hours over lunch, all the while, of course, studying each other's Rovers and pondering the big question that was on everyone's mind. Can we cross this river? Could we? Certainly not at the official crossing which was about 50 or more feet wide with steep banks about four feet or so high. Not crossing there until the Forest Service reconstructs the ford. But just upstream, by following a narrow gravel bar on our side, we could get to an unofficial ford that trespassed on private land. Walt had used (by invitation) this crossing on his private outing a few weeks earlier. We discussed this possibility with the occupants (who may or may not have borne any relation to the actual owners but who bore a definite resemblance to characters out of Deliverance-- Bong-ba-BONG-bong-bong) and essentially paid a "toll" from our vapor lock provender. Ben showed up!!! That sucker tracked us down! He made it down, without anyone to assist him, in his ailing SIII 88 with blown head gasket (sounded like the bullgen make-and-break in Farley Mowatt's _The_Boat_Who_Wouldn't_Float_) and with complete spare engine in the back (not to mention nearly bald front tires). You heard me, a spare engine!! You know how you always struggle with deciding what spares to pack? Well, Ben has resolved the dilemma; bring 'em all! Poor Ben had left a trail of smoke and oil on the highway but had not been dissuaded. A lesser enthusiast would have turned back when the crankcase emptied on the highway through the fuel pump seal. Not good old Ben. THAT fellow is GAME!! Not so Bob and Gerry. About time it was clear that some of these squirrels were actually thinking about attempting to ford the deep and rushing stream, cooler heads prevailed in THAT Rover and it headed back toward town. In fairness, as you will see in Part 2, I later found myself belatedly admiring their sensibiliy.... From ritter mark c <70472.1130@compuserve.com> 03 95 Apr EDT 1911 Date: 03 Apr 95 11:57:36 EDT From: ritter mark c <70472.1130@compuserve.com> Subject: Locking diffs for Disco Does anybody out there have a locking diff on their Disco? Is the ARB the only way to go or is thier an automatic unit available that I don't know of? Seems like the only times that I've had trouble on a trail has been a cross-axle situation where traction from both rear wheels would have fixed the problem. From "Russell G. Dushin" Mon Apr 3 12:49:37 1995 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 95 12:49:37 EDT From: "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: Re: D-90 destroys tire > Since I do a lot of hi-way driving, I decided to re-shoe the beast > with the AT's, and save the four good MT's for a rainy day, or > some good mud north of the border. none Aye, mates, he's committed himself now!!! see you there, rd/nigel From "Walter C. Swain" Mon Apr 3 10:02:26 1995 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 10:02:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Walter C. Swain" Subject: Re: D-90 destroys tire >>>>> Russell Burns writes: > I was out skidding logs in my backy yard this afternoon, when I > managed to destroy a tire. One of those 164r75 16 bfgoodrich MT > monster mudders... none snip > Since I do a lot of hi-way driving, I decided to re-shoe the beast > with the AT's, and save the four good MT's for a rainy day, or > some good mud north of the border.> I am in a similar position, shopping for BF Goodrich ATs for my 109 and have found that there is a wide range in prices for the same tire. You may have a need and desire to support your local BF Goodrich dealer for whatever they'll do for you in the way of added value through better knowledge, service or what have you. If not, you can save a small fortune by shopping the mail order dealers and having them mounted and balanced at your local service station. The savings might pay for that ruined MT ;^> Walt Swain From "Mugele, Gerry" Mon Apr 03 10:15:00 1995 Date: Mon, 03 Apr 95 10:15:00 PDT From: "Mugele, Gerry" Subject: L-R Movie Sightings Okay so when are we going to publish our list? Here's another one and with portent of things to come (remember about a year ago when Jack Nicoholson, in real life assaulted the car of an offending motorist with a gold club?): The Passenger (1975), Dir: Michaelangelo Antonioni. Jack Nicholson bashes a LandRover with a shovel. From brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn) Mon Apr 3 10:34:47 1995 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 95 10:34:47 PDT From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn) Subject: Re: Locking diffs for Disco Maybe another solution would be a swaybar disconnect, but you'd probably have to make it yourself. Cheers John Brabyn 89RR From Benjamin Allan Smith Mon Apr 03 12:03:08 1995 Date: Mon, 03 Apr 1995 12:03:08 -0700 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Subject: New Land Rover Home Page Ok, I sent this out yesterday, but the list appears to be down. http://www.dealernet.com/l_rover/l_rover.html This seams to be put out by a bunch of Land Rover dealers. right now the information is mostly Discos, short LR story and warranty information. Lots of nice photos. Under performance, however, the first photo is a Camel Trophy Defender (a good photo btw). -Benjamin Smith ---------------- Science Applications Internation Corporation Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil 1972 Land Rover Series III 88 From "Lapa, Hank" Tue Mar 14 12:50:47 1995 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 95 12:50:47 EST From: "Lapa, Hank" Subject: Re[2]: Retractable Belts. Into "the bulkhead?" I am confused. I know what "bulkhead" means in a ship or an aeroplane, and I *thought* I knew what the "bulkhead" was in a L-R, but why would one attach seatbelts to the firewall/dashboard? I've got a set of the RN belts I bought years ago and still haven't put in, so enquiring minds want to know. Hank, 3.14259 (get it?) From "Russell G. Dushin" Mon Apr 3 16:04:40 1995 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 95 16:04:40 EDT From: "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: Re: Snow-Run-One; Part 1 > Sorry to have taken so long to get started on this story but this week has > been very busy. I will post each installment on the Left-Coast Rover-Net > and then post it the following day on lro@team.net. Many of you on > lro@team.net will remember my four-part story of the first Scouting Outing, > a month or so ago. Hmmmm. Left-Coast Rover-Net? Is this an all-exclusive club? Signs of a split list, perhaps? Oh well. More power to ya. Nice story, too. Please do post it on the regular list as well. rgds, rd/nigel (openly minded right coasters) From Mr Ian Stuart Mon Mar 13 16:25:56 1995 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 16:25:56 +0000 From: Mr Ian Stuart Subject: SLROC Championship RTV The first Championship RTV of 1995 It was a cold and windy morning as I drove our VW Polo up the half mile dirt track to the meeting point for the RTV event. The site was fairly rough with morrain ridges of loose shale supporting tough grasses and a lot of water. There were about 30 vehicles with 40+ drivers all being scrutineered by the unstoppable Alex Lindsay (who had another appointment that day and was only there to check vehicles! - dedication!) The pack was split into two groups and off we headed. Group A, with myself as start marshall, were to start with section 1 and run through to section 5, whilst group B did 6 to 10. After lunch we swapped over & covered the other sections. Section 1. A small mud splash and then a hump and round to a drop over a 4' lip (gate 2) and up 6' of shale at a 70 degree slope to gate 0. A few people had slight difficulty with the turn into gate 2. Section 2. A tight left-hander, slopeing down to the right, between gates 12, 10 & 8 caught a few people. This was followed by a scrabbling climb up the loose embankment before dropping back down into a dog-leg and then through 0. Section 3. A shallow gully, dropping down across a track and then climbing up a 40 degree slope to get back up onto the plateau for gate 4. A tight turn in a hollow caused a few people to miss the 0 gate. Section 4. This was an interesting run along ridges with the competitors having to cross ridgebacks to get through the various gates. The mid-runners had probles with gate 10 (the shale was loose and the early runners had cut it up quite badly) until someone cottoned onto the idea of running along a ridgeback and powering *across* the slope to get through the 10. After dropping back down through 8, a wrong line turning into gate 6 caused several people to ram their bumpers into the hillside. Section 5. A lovely, easy section with a climb up onto a knoll and then dropping down, shoogle(~) through gate 4 before a gentle drive across the top of the pond and climb back up the embankment before turning down through the 0 gate. One brave (?) entrant decided to clean his vehicle by driving back to the lunch site through the pond and along the gully at the bottom of the embankment. GLUG! He entered the main part of the pond and sank into the silt. Due to the tilt of the vehicle, his seat was dry but his younger brother had to jump onto the seatbacks to get out of the water. We needed two vehicles to get him out again. After lunch, we attacked the sections that the other group had aready gone over. Section 6. THE WALL OF MUD. A shallow drop, through gate 10, a gentle swing round into.... a wall of mud. The 6 gate straddled a mud hole which was, by the end of the day, a glutinous pit 4' deep! Nobody in group A got through it - a 101 would have struggled to clear this hole! Section 7. This must have been quite easy as I don't remember much about it.... Section 8. This section had 2 noteable features: a cross-axleing gully (which caught more than one person) and a mud-slide just before the 0 gate. The gate was actually wide enough to get past the mud but the drivers had to be carefull leaving the number 2 gate to slip up onto the dryer side-slope. Section 9. Section 9 was nasty! A simple mud hole caught several folk who failed to have enough Umph to get up the exit slope and the final (0) gate was atop a mound, 8' to 10' up a 60 degree slope, slick with wet grass & mud. Section 10. This was another fairly easy run, snaking along the bottom of a ridge then turning left to climb to the top. A few canes were knocked over but it was a good run to end on. My condolences to Alison (who suffered several stalls in her coil-sprung, V8, series I) and to Graeham (who stalled with his wheels just through the 12 gate (resulting in a 10 score for section 8) My congratulations to the newcommers who had never trialed before - they all did well. Our lowest score for the day was 57, a good score for a novice taking on a tough course. Thanks go to the course builders and the marshals (hey - that includes me!), and to all the competitors for a great day. For those of you who want to turn up for the next one, either to spectate, marshal or drive, I'll post the date as soon as I get it...... -------------------------------------- (~) Shoole (v): A nimble, snake-like, wiggle that one does to get through a short twisty traverse ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer) +44 31 650 6205 Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. WWW sites: Work -- Play -- #======================================================================# From siccama@terena.nl Mon Apr 3 22:29:03 1995 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 22:29:03 +0200 From: siccama@terena.nl Subject: Springs Hi, Three years ago I bought four brand new original landrover springs for my 109 V8. They replaced the ones originally fitted by the factory who had lived for some 60,000 miles. Now, after only some 40,000 miles, the new ones are getting really tired, specially the rear ones. My neighbour who drives a Mercedes 508 van for his business has covered about 600,000 km with the same road springs. I really need new springs at the moment but I don't want to buy the genuine land rover springs anymore, cause I think they are of a very poor quality. Is there anybody who has tried to fit springs of any other make or had custom springs made? Looking forward to your reply. Cheers, Steven Amsterdam, the Netherlands From chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens) Mon Apr 3 15:01:33 1995 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 15:01:33 -0500 From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens) Subject: Erratic idling revisited Thanks to all who responded to my posting about uneven idling on my SRIIA 88". I spent the better half of the weekend rebuilding the Zenith 36IVE carb, a task that I had postponed for several weeks. Gee it wasn't that difficult afterall. Anyway, I got everything hooked back up and the beast started with ease. But, YIKES, the problem is still there. To review the situation, the vehicle will idle fine for several minutes...750-800 rpms...then all of a sudden lose rpms and nearly quit running. Sometimes it dies. If it doesn't die it usually pick up revs was above 800. What gives? Someone mentioned distributor. Ideas. Chris Chris Stevens 1969 SIIA 88" SW BCG Corporate Communications Towson, Maryland, USA (410) 583-1722 (410) 583-1935 (FAX) chrisste@Clark.net From rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Sat Apr 01 19:48:47 1995 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 95 19:48:47 -0500 From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Subject: LRNA LURKER Would the lurker from LRNA please identify him/herself please? Would the same please deny or confirm that LRNA are active in the area of compiling an "IDENTAROVER" book for US customs. Not a great surprise that LRNA are on, just a shame they cant be a bit more upfront about it all. My only conclusion is that they dont want to be deluged by incomings mail!! Over to you who ever you are Robin Craig -- Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. | Ottawa Valley Land Rovers From Benjamin Allan Smith Mon Apr 03 13:38:02 1995 Date: Mon, 03 Apr 1995 13:38:02 -0700 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Subject: Re: Snow-Run-One; Part 1 Russel Dushin wrote: > > Sorry to have taken so long to get started on this story but this week has > > been very busy. I will post each installment on the Left-Coast Rover-Net > > and then post it the following day on lro@team.net. Many of you on > > lro@team.net will remember my four-part story of the first Scouting Outing, > > a month or so ago. > Hmmmm. Left-Coast Rover-Net? Is this an all-exclusive club? Signs of > a split list, perhaps? Oh well. More power to ya. The list was set up to avoid having huge cc lists and also to keep bandwidth off of the main list. I don't think all of you in Timbuktu would like to see 20+ messages a day on 20 or so people organizing a some small Land Rover trips. It is not intended to split away from the list, but just to help organize regional stuff, much like Bill's UK only list I assume. Most of the people on the the list live in or around Central California.With that said, if you want to be on, email me. Traffic for work days last week was (not including my posts) 18,28,14,19,14. The content is organizational stuff and friendly banter, much like this list was 2 years ago before it expanded from 50 to 300+ people. -Benjamin Smith ---------------- Science Applications International Corporation Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil 1972 Land Rover Series III 88 From Easton Trevor Mon Mar 13 08:53:00 1995 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 95 08:53:00 EST From: Easton Trevor Subject: Traction Control Traction control for 4x4 like Range Rovers operates by sensing the spinning rear wheel, by comparison with the other three, and applying the brake to that wheel so power is available to the others. Has anyone tried this as a manual system? Trials cars , dune buggies and tractors use differential braking (Fiddle brakes) to supplement traction. I have considered using a diagonal split braking system (Like Saabs) with a manual overide so that it can be operated as half a system. Then when the vehicle is cross axled and wheels are spinning, just brake those corners and away we go with the loaded wheels. A sort of inpecunious owners diff lock. Any opinions out there on this? Trevor Easton (mr gadget) and Miss Golightly 1962 88" SW From Dixon Kenner Mon Apr 3 16:47:05 1995 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 16:47:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re: Snow-Run-One; Part 1 On Sat, 1 Apr 1995, Granville B. Pool wrote: > I will post each installment on the Left-Coast Rover-Net ??? Oh well... > I was startled to realize that there isn't much of that sort of > thing toward the right coast. Made me realize just how lucky we > are to live where there is so much excellent public land near at hand. Our mountains are very old, unlike the new formations on the left coast. Eroded and forested they are rather nice. There is also the Canadian shield to consider, mostly Crown lands, undeveloped... I can't speak for the central/southern bits of the right coast, but the northern bits are pretty impressive and beautiful. Good account. I look forward to reading the rest of the mission into the wilds. Rgds, From "walter c. swain (wcswain@wheel.ucdavis.edu)" Sun Apr 2 11:54:28 1995 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 11:54:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "walter c. swain (wcswain@wheel.ucdavis.edu)" Subject: Discovery for sale Hi David, Since I have not seen a posting to the effect that you have parted with your Discovery, I assume you are still involved in the process of finding the right buyer at the right price. The Sacramento paper has had a classified ad for a Disco, inserted by the local Land Rover/Caddilac dealer. It reads as follows: Land Rover '94 Discov- ery. Hard to find! ID #087808 $29,977. Hubacher Cadillac 916-929-2777 I have not called or looked at it. However, I could stop by and get the specifics on goodies, mileage, etc. if you are interested. Eventually I'll be in the market for one of these as the prices come down out of the stratosphere. I do have a interest in keeping abreast of the market so I'll know a good deal when I see it. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Walter C. Swain | wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us Davis Community Network | Davis, California | 1967 Series IIA Safari SW From wz@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Wade Zumbach) Sun Apr 02 08:40:47 1995 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 95 08:40:47 -0500 From: wz@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Wade Zumbach) Subject: MOUNTING A WEBER 45DCOE ON A 2.25L PET. LAND ROVER. Hello all! I usually just lurk around here but I thought that I would like to get your comments on what I'm about to try. I have purchase a Weber 45DCOE dual throat side draght carb type #13, #1 G, with the cold start option. I have tried to get a manifold for this single carb mounting application but I have not been abble to find one, so this means that I will have to manufacture my own. So I have given this much thought since I purchased the carb in Oct/94, so far the best mounting that I can come up with goes something like this: I will use a square tube section 1.75" OD with 1/8" wall to this I'll attach the carb, then to that square tube section (about 13" long) at a 90 deg angle I will attach shorter square tube section to arrive at the intake ports (wich are round) on the cyl. head in order to make a smoother transition from the square tube section of the intake manifold to the round intake ports I would heat up the ends & round off the ends of the intake manifold (where the would mate to the cyl.head) thus making a smooth transition from square to round. Just for the record the dimensions of the carb are: 5 1/4" from bottom to top, the mounting surfaces are (trought the throats) 4 3/4". the butterfly valve side of the carb, each throat dia. is 1 3/4". The intake ports are only 1 1/2" in dia. so this means that the shorter square tube sections will likely also need to be 1 1/2". this should all mount to a plate that I would use to cover the exhust manifold heat exchanger thus keeping the factory set-up. I will be mounting this on my 1971 serIIA 88" 2.25L petrol, safari station wagon, that has no OD, on 7.50 X 16" Trac Edges. I would welcome any input on this matter, but I would not be ready to do all these likely modifications till June/95. I have curently got a Rochester carb on the Land Rover & it is in sad shape. Thanks in advance for any comments on this matter! Wade Z. Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. -- Wade Zumbach, wz@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. | Ottawa Valley Land Rovers From Roger Sinasohn Sun Apr 2 13:50:59 1995 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 13:50:59 -0700 From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Fw: Talking Frog (fwd) This had me laughing so loud, I had to forward it to everyone I knew. Hope you all find it just as hillarious! ---- Forwarded from brian@zvs.com (Brian Miller): none A friend of mine forwarded this to me and I thought that you might enjoy it or at least know others who would enjoy it. Surf's up Dude Brian > > A boy was crossing a road one day when a frog called out to him > > and said, "If you kiss me, I'll turn into a beautiful princess." [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)] > > said, "Look, I'm a computer programmer. I don't have time for > > girlfriends, but a talking frog is really cool." ---- End of forwarded message ---- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From LANDROVER@delphi.com Sun Apr 02 01:36:08 1995 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 1995 01:36:08 -0500 (EST) From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Subject: Re: Misc Bill Leacock reports... > NB I will be closed for questions from the 8th to 22nd April, my wife is > visiting from the UK for a couple of weeks, she wants to go shopping !!!!, > so if you need anything from me get it in early. Shopping from the 8th to the 22nd??? Yow! That puts her in the major leagues.. Good luck, Bill.. Cheers Mike From "Russell G. Dushin" Mon Apr 3 17:30:13 1995 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 95 17:30:13 EDT From: "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: Re: Erratic idling revisited > To review the situation, the vehicle will idle fine for several > minutes...750-800 rpms...then all of a sudden lose rpms and nearly quit [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] > above 800. What gives? Someone mentioned distributor. > Ideas. I'll reiterate one mentioned by others before.....clogged fuel delivery pipe/filter somewhere between the fuel tank and the fuel pump (or beyond) . Remove at the tank, remove incoming fuel line at the pump, clean it, blow air through it, etc........these are the exact symptoms. rd/nigel From LANDROVER@delphi.com Sun Apr 02 01:35:46 1995 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 1995 01:35:46 -0500 (EST) From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Subject: Re: Fitting an overdrive Mark sez... > I'm trying to fit my overdrive unit to my SIII. Has anyone managed to fit > an overdrive WITHOUT using the special spanner/wrench to remove the > mainshaft nut??? Can be done, although you may not like the cheap and dirty method.. First, bend back the locktabs that hold the nut locked.. Then use a brass drift (or a big screwdriver) and a heavy hammer to loosen the nut.. Bang, Bang and it comes loose.. Simple.. and if you really screw it up, you can always get a new nut.. Don't worry.. You won't screw it up... Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) R.I.P. 7 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol #:-}> 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol From "Jeff Young" Mon Apr 03 17:35:39 1995 Date: Mon, 03 Apr 1995 17:35:39 -0400 From: "Jeff Young" Subject: Re: LRNA LURKER when someone posted that they had a new domain registered i checked it out. They're a uunet customer but they haven't brought up a host yet - mail to landrover.com bounces. Jeff Young young@mci.net From rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Sat Apr 01 19:51:37 1995 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 95 19:51:37 -0500 From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Subject: Land Rovers in Print Have seen an advert in MACLEANS magazine for Soth Africa, one picture shows rhinos in the Sabi Sabi game reserve, being viewd from a 109 S3. Appears quite regularily this one does. Robin Craig -- Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. | Ottawa Valley Land Rovers From Sanna@aol.com Mon Apr 3 17:41:13 1995 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 17:41:13 -0400 From: Sanna@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Retractable Belts. >I *thought* I knew what the "bulkhead" was in a L-R, but why would one attach seatbelts to the firewall/dashboard? I think what we're talking of here is the bulkhead behind the front seats. From mccauley@hba.trumpet.com.au (Tim McCauley) Sun Apr 2 14:58:10 1995 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 14:58:10 LOCAL From: mccauley@hba.trumpet.com.au (Tim McCauley) Subject: Hello! and It's Stuck... Hello to all, We are new to the List (Tim and Jenny). Just lurking so far but now it's time to introduce ourselves. The proud owners of a IIa fitted with a flat tray body. The Landy is currently receiving some (much needed) TLC and a good deal of (much deserved) verbal abuse. The main job at hand is the installation of a steering mechanism. We use the term installation because we couldn't bring ourselves to dignify the loosely connected pieces of metal being replaced with the description "steering". The only parts _not_ being replaced between the steering wheel and the road wheels are the track rod, the longitudinal link tube and the drop arm and relay levers. Our big headache at the moment is getting the transfer unit out of the front chassis member. The manual simply says undo the bolts and drive it out with a brass drift, applying oil if it is stiff. STIFF :-] Pardon me while I gag laughing. Well yes it is stiff. The four inch brass drift we started with is now a two inch brass drift and we have drilled the chassis and flooded the sleeve the transfer unit fits in with penetrating oil. It's still not budging . :-{ Any ideas ? By the way, are there any other Tasmanians on the list? Tim and Jenny (or Jenny and Tim depending on who you ask) From Spenny@aol.com Sat Apr 1 11:48:01 1995 Date: Sat, 1 Apr 1995 11:48:01 -0500 From: Spenny@aol.com Subject: Re: Down East Rally - Owls Head Trevor writes regarding downeast 6: >Starting Saturday July 1st with Off Road day, >various activities, then Sunday at Owls Head as usual I have spoken to myles, and will post something with details times/places/etc about the rally in a week or so, I have semi-regular contact with myles so if you or anybody else has questions regarding downeast, you can direct them to me and i can pass them along or answer them if i know the answer. As for a distinguishing feature, i was going to put a color printout of our most excellent sign on my windscreen at the rally. i will see if i can print some extras... Rgds... Spenny Spencer K. C. Norcross Spenny@aol.com Haverhill, Mass. USA 508-373-1788 (W) 508-521-4093 (H) 508-521-1380 (FAX) ===--===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===--=== 1969 IIA SWB - The Wayback Machine Now with most of the Federally requred electrics! Land Rovers on the Information Superhighway! What will they think of nextFrom Spenny@aol.com Sat Apr 1 11:48:03 1995 Date: Sat, 1 Apr 1995 11:48:03 -0500 From: Spenny@aol.com Subject: Re: Wheels/Paint color schemes Phil asks about wheel color, and since i am getting close to painting, i have some questions. First I should explain about my rover-the PO painted it black, originally it was poppy red (the interior still is) the roof is still limestone, but the sides are maroon primer. I am going to paint it poppy red, but am unsure what bits to paint what color so here are my questions 1st, - there is no white, only limestone, Correct? 2nd, - wheels are always painted limestone except for SVOs? 3rd, - door tops are body colour? 4th, - Rear door gets painted body colour? 5th - window side-panels get painted limestone or body colour? if this is any help it is an export LHD Late IIA 1969 SWB Rgds... Spenny Spencer K. C. Norcross Spenny@aol.com Haverhill, Mass. USA 508-373-1788 (W) 508-521-4093 (H) 508-521-1380 (FAX) ===--===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===--=== 1969 IIA SWB - The Wayback Machine Now with most of the Federally requred electrics! Land Rovers on the Information Superhighway! What will they think of next! From Benjamin Allan Smith Mon Apr 03 15:14:04 1995 Date: Mon, 03 Apr 1995 15:14:04 -0700 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Subject: Re: LRNA LURKER In message <199504032137.WAA00890@chunnel.uk.stratus.com>you wrote: > when someone posted that they had a new domain registered > i checked it out. They're a uunet customer but they [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] > haven't brought up a host yet - mail to landrover.com > bounces. I checked last week and got the same answer. rs.internic.net had the domain name, but no IP (that's issued by another organization.) I just checked and they have an IP number. It looks like thay have the C class subnet 204.253.87.*. A broadcast ping, however, brings back nothing, so it appears that they don't have a machine that handles icmp traffic up yet. Here's the internic info (and I think the update date is really 3 April 95 not 3 Mar) gopher: (rs.internic.net) InterNIC Registration Services -> InterNIC Registration Archives -> pub -> rwhois anonymous ftp: (rs.internic.net) /pub/rwhois Cmdinter Ver 1.3 Mon Apr 3 18:02:30 1995 EST [xterms] InterNIC > whois landrover Connecting to the rs Database . . . . . . Connected to the rs Database Land Rover North America Inc. (NET-LANDROVER) 4390 Parliament Place Lanham, MD 20706 US Netname: LANDROVER Netnumber: 204.253.87.0 Coordinator: Awalt, Andrew (AA91) postmaster@LANDROVER.COM (301) 731-8529 Record last updated on 03-Mar-95. -Benjamin Smith ---------------- Science Applications International Corporation Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil 1972 Land Rover Series III 88 From rpeng@cadev6.intel.com Mon Apr 3 16:16:11 1995 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 95 16:16:11 PDT From: rpeng@cadev6.intel.com Subject: re: D-90 destroys tire If you're interested in getting some new BF Goodrich tires, the Super Shops are having a tire-sale. I got four 30 inch Radial All-Terrains at just $80 each. Currently they probably have the best prices around on BFG's. I am not affiliated with the Super Shops in any way, just a customer. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Peng (408)765-7863 Intel Corporation Design Technology, Physical CAD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Lloyd Allison Tue Apr 4 09:57:58 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 09:57:58 +1000 From: Lloyd Allison Subject: films This is the film list I have collected to date see: Land-Rover (look under films or try the contents page) additions, corrections and extra details welcome. btw. anyone interested in films should visit the Cardiff movie database http://www.cm.cf.ac.uk/Movies/ I have a challenge for the collective might of the LRO list: how can we get a some (legal) stills or a quicktime movie excerpt of LRs in some of the best LR films such as The Gods ..., or 4 Weddings and a Funeral ? Lloyd Dept. of Computer Science, Monash University, Clayton, Victoria 3168, AUSTRALIA tel: 61 3 905 5205 fax: 61 3 905 5146 email: lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au ----- %T An Angel at My Table %D 1990 %K Angel at my table, film, movie, Frame, Land-Rover %X Look fast, real fast, and you'll see backlit shot of L-R as N.Z. writer Janet Frame character narrates journey segue. From: Mark Perry (email: rxq281@winnie.freenet.mb.ca) [2/'95] %T Clarence The Cross-Eyed Lion. %D 1965 %K Clarence, Disney(?), film, movie, Land-Rover, ST %X ...my favourite scene has Clarence driving an open-top S1 or S2 through a couple's safari campsite. The wife exclaims `wasn't that a lion driving a jeep?' and the husband says `It was a Land-Rover actually.' - Michael Loiodice landrover@delphi.com 2/95 %T Cliffhanger. %D 1993 %K Cliff hanger, cliff hanger, film, movie, Stallone, Sly, LWB, Land-Rover %X Sylvester Stallone drives a 109 - David Brown (debrown@srp.gov) [3/'95] %T Close Encounters of the Third Kind. %D 1977 %K Close Encounters, Land-Rover, film, movie %X Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 23:25:37 -0500 (EST) Another movie - in the opening scenes of "Close Encounters" there is a shot of a Rover driving through some sort of sandstorm... - Mike From: LANDROVER@delphi.com %T Crack In The World %D 1965 %K Crack, world, film, movie, Land-Rover %X Date: 02 Feb 95 08:51:30 EST ... Crack in the World (which is also loaded with Land Rovers) ... - R. Pierce Reid From: Pierce Reid (70004.4011@compuserve.com) %T Cry Freedom %D 1987 %K Cry Freedom, film, movie, South Africa, SA, Land-Rover, SA %X Movie about South Africa featured S.A. police using various models of L-R as squad vehicles and paddy wagons. From: Mark Perry (email: rxq281@winnie.freenet.mb.ca) [2/'95] %T Darling Buds of May %D 1993 ? %K Darling buds of May, TV, series, UK, Land-Rover %X UK TV series, once featured a pristine S1 From: Mark Perry (email: rxq281@winnie.freenet.mb.ca) [2/'95] %T Dr. No %D 1962 %K Doctor No, Dr., James Bond, Sean Connery, Ursula Andress, film, movie, Land-Rover %X First James Bond movie featured tricked-up L-R as flamethrower equipped "dragon." [LA: always wondered what was under that.] From: Mark Perry (email: rxq281@winnie.freenet.mb.ca) [2/'95] %T Dr. Who %D 1960's 1970's %K Doctor Who, Dr., UK, TV, series, science fiction, SciFi, time travel, Land-Rover %X misc' LRs esp' for `Unit' elite (?) military squad. %T The Dogs of War. %D 1980 %K Dogs of War, film, movie, Land-Rover %X I caught bits and pieces of THE DOGS OF WAR with Cristopher Walken while surfing the TV last night. Old Landys everywhere, although the line `Your Jeep is waiting, sir' pops up from time to time. They must have corraled every Land Rover in Costa Rica when they shot this thing. From: Sanna@aol.com [3/95] %T Dry White Season %D 1989 %K Cry Freedom, film, movie, South Africa, SA, Land-Rover, SA %X Movie about South Africa featured S.A. police using various models of L-R as squad vehicles and paddy wagons. From: Mark Perry (email: rxq281@winnie.freenet.mb.ca) [2/'95] %T Four Weddings and a Funeral. %D 1994 %K Four, film, movie, UK, Grant, MacDowell, comedy, funny, Land-Rover, S2, SWB, HT, 110, SW %X Features a series 2 or 2A SWB HT, especially in the opening minutes (great dialogue too). Also a glimpse of a 110 Station-Wagon at one of the weddings. ***** %T FX %D mid 1980's ? %K FX, film, movie, Brown, Dennehy, Range Rover, RR %X Brian Brown, Brian Dennehy drive off in white Range Rover in final shot. From: Mark Perry (email: rxq281@winnie.freenet.mb.ca) [2/'95] %T The Gods Must be Crazy. %D 1980 %K Gods, God, film, movie, comedy, Africa, Land-Rover, S1, SWB %X S1 SWB (the anti-christ) should have won an Oscar for best leading vehicle. Highlights - the broken hand-brake sequence, LR winching itself up a tree, the bushman driving the LR in reverse. ***** %T Heart-Beat %D 1993- %K Heart Beat, TV, UK, Yorkshire, series, Land-Rover S1, S2 %X UK TV series about a policeman and his doctor wife in rural Yorkshire. Features several S1s and S2s, not to mention the barmaid's bubble car. %T Ice Cold in Alex %D 1959 %K Ice Cold in Alex, film, movie, Mills, Sims, blunder, mistake, Land-Rover %X Great war drama, British, stars John Mills, Sylvia Sims. Set in WWII, but closing shot catches L-R parked on sidestreet! From: Mark Perry (email: rxq281@winnie.freenet.mb.ca) [2/'95] [LA: 1st production LR in 1948!] %T Killer Force %D 1975 %K killer force, film, movie, Fonda, Savalas, Lee, Adams, war, Land-Rover, S3, LWB %X Peter Fonda, Telly Savalas, Christopher Lee, Maud Adams, S2 and S3 LWBs, lots of LR action -- John R. Benham benham@wfoclan.usbm.gov 1/95 %T Lethal Ninja %D ? %K Lethal Ninja, film, movie, S3, SWB, LWB, SW, Land-Rover %X set in Africa: ninja in back of 109 gives guy the death grip; 2 blown up LRs 88 and 109; S3 109 SW (heroes') - Morgan Hannaford (morgan@nature.Berkeley.edu) [3/95] (who is embarassed for having watched this one) %T The Living Daylights. %D 1987 %K Living, James Bond, 007, film, movie, Dalton, d'Abo, adventure, Land-Rover, S3, SWB, ST %X In the opening sequence 007 battles an enemy agent on and in an army S3 SWB ST on Gibraltar. The vehicle plunges over a cliff killing the enemy while 007 bails out, to a happy landing, with the aid of a parachute. Near the end of the film, the Russian army in Afghanistan seems to have mysteriously acquired at least one S3 LWB. The regulation Aston-Martin is also featured and the vodka martini is `shaken not stirred'. James Bond 007 Timothy Dalton Kara Milovy Maryam d'Abo Producers A. R. Broccoli and ? Director John Glenn *** %T The Man With The Golden Gun. %D 1974 %K Man, golden gun, film, movie, Moore, Land-Rover, S2, S2A, LWB %X Hong Kong police arrive at a murder scene in a nice S2/S2A 109 with a tropical roof and police paint scheme - Jimmy Patrick jimmyp@cksp.demon.co.uk 1/95 %T Mogambo %D ? %K Mogambo, Gable, S1, movie, film, Africa, Land-Rover %X The local PBS station ran "Mogambo" a couple times in the last week or so. I was surprised to see Ol' Clark at the wheel of what must've been a fairly new Series I, all the while stealing the wife of the hapless Brit he was escorting into deepest darkest Africa. Could this have been the earliest L-R appearance in a major picture? - Hank Lapa (hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com) [4/'95] %T Mountain Rescue %D 1994 ? %K mountain rescue, TV, USA, Land-Rover, S3 %X recent adventure show pilot had Robert Conrad driving a super equipped S3 From: Mark Perry (email: rxq281@winnie.freenet.mb.ca) [2/'95] %T Orca %D 1977 %K Orca, film, movie, Charlotte Rampling, Derek, Land-Rover %X - Roger Sinasohn sinasohn@crl.com 1/95 Cast includes Charlotte Rampling (owns the L-R) and Bo Derek - T.F.Mills tomills@du.edu %T Outbreak %D 1995 %K Outbreak, film, movie, LWB, Land-Rover %X In the opening scenes you see some mercenaries driving a topless 3 door (?) 109 driving away from the camera in the background. I few minutes later they have a fuel air explosion and you see the shock wave hit the side of a SII/SIIA Land Rover (the front of the LR is facing the camera). The nice thing is that the scene is 1967 and they actually had a period Land Rover. Very refreshing. I found the rest of the movie entertaining and would watch it again. - Benjamin Allan Smith (bens@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us) [3/'95] %T The Passenger %D 1975 %K Passenger, film, movie, S3, SIII, SW, Land-Rover %X directed by Michelangelo Antonioni. I saw a blue S3 SW bogged in sand - in short clip shown at the '95 Academy Awards - LA. %T Patriot Games. %D 1992 %K Patriot games, film, movie, Clancy, Belfast, Land-Rover, Defender, D110, 110, 127, army, military, armoured %X In case noone else caught it... There is an awesome-looking black 110 (or 127) armored car in Tom Clancy's patriot games. Great shot of it sitting next to a checkpoint in Belfast. FYI, it appears that all the Clancy Movies feature Land Rovers "somewhere" in them. From: Pierce Reid (70004.4011@compuserve.com) [2/'95] %T Peter's Friends %D 1992 %K Peter's friends, film, movie, Fry, Branagh, Brannagh, Emma Thompson, Laurie, Land-Rover, S2A, LWB, SW %X Near beginning some of Peter's friends (stars Stephen Fry, Kenneth Branagh. Emma Thompson, Hugh Laurie.) are driven to his stately home in an immaculate SerIIA 109 SW. From: Mark Perry (email: rxq281@winnie.freenet.mb.ca) [2/'95] %T The Player %D 1992 %K Player, film, movie, Altman, Robbins, Land-Rover, Range Rover, RR, Robbins %X Tim Robbins Hollywood mogul character drives black Range Rover. From: Mark Perry (email: rxq281@winnie.freenet.mb.ca) [2/'95] %T Point Break %D 1991 %K point break, film, movie, Reeves, Land-Rover, S2A, SW, surf, SWB %X Surfers have what looks like SEr.IIA SW on beach in night surfing scene. In final sequence, set in Australia, Keanu Reeves drives canvastop IIA 88, RHD. From: Mark Perry (email: rxq281@winnie.freenet.mb.ca) [2/'95] %T Revenge of the Pink Panther %D 1978 %K Revenge, film, movie, comedy, Land-Rover, SWB, HT %X Date: 30 Jan 95 08:29:01 EST From: Pierce Reid (70004.4011@compuserve.com) In "Revenge of the Pink Panther", there is a Portuguese-built 88 hardtop visible for a few seconds at a border crossing. %T Romancing The Stone. %D 1980 's %K Romancing, film, movie, Douglas, Turner, adventure, Land-Rover, S2, SWB %X Near the beginning, Michael Douglas' Land-Rover is written off by the bus carrying Kathleen Turner. *** %T Roxanne %D 1987 %K Roxanne, film, movie, Martin, Schepsi, Hannah, comedy, romance, Land-Rover %X Based on Edmond Rostand's romantic tragi-comedy, Cyrano de Bergerac. Director - Fred Schepsi Steve Martin - C. D. Bales, fire chief, large(!) nose Daryl Hannah - Roxanne, astronomer SM woos DH for a hunk (friend) at the fire station but gets her in the end. Set in an off-season Washington state ski resort, the film was shot in Nelson B.C. SM's character owns a Land-Rover (I have only ever seen the last part, does he drive it?) *** %T Shark aka Maneater %D 1969 %K Shark, film, movie, Reynolds, Land-Rover, S2A %X Opening scenes of Burt Reynolds action turkey have gunrunner Burt dodging Arab-type military police by chucking dynamite in front of their SerIIA so it runs into rocks. From: Mark Perry (email: rxq281@winnie.freenet.mb.ca) [2/'95] %T Sheena %D 1984 %K Sheena, film, movie, Roberts, Range Rover, RR, Land-Rover, LR, S3 %X Good guys drive white Range Rover in early scenes. Bad guys have Ser.III in their convoy, also stars Tanya Roberts wearing skimpy costume. From: Mark Perry (email: rxq281@winnie.freenet.mb.ca) [2/'95] [LA: is this the movie where it is demonstrated that the weight of a grown Lion sitting on a RR roof will bend it ?!] %T Simba %D 1955 +- %K simba, film, movie, Africa, Land-Rover, S1, SWB, ST %X old British technicolour movie, action feature to do with the Mau-Mau uprising in colonial Kenya. Many S1s -- at one stage a lion jumps into an open SWB to say howzit to the hero ... and gets a knife in its ribs ... - Keith Coman bakc@giraffe.ru.ac.za 1/95 %T 633 Squadron %D ? %K Six Three Three Squadron, 633, war, film, movie, blooper, England, Land-Rover %X In the film '633 Squadron', Land Rovers can be seen during the closing sequence. Since this is set in the '39-'45 war (some 3 years before the things were invented!) I think this must the earliest sighting... - Martin Richards (mr@datcon.co.uk) [4/'95] %T Stand By Me. %D 1986 %K Stand, film, movie, King, Land-Rover, LWB, SW %X Date: 30 Jan 95 08:29:01 EST In Stephen King's "Stand By Me" there is a gorgeous 109 safari featured in both the beginning and the end of the movie. - From: Pierce Reid (70004.4011@compuserve.com) %T The Ugly American %D 1963 %K ugly american, Brando, Land-Rover, S2, LWB, film, movie %X The Ugly American (1963) Stars Marlon Brando. Nice title sequence has Ser.II travelling to jungle road construction site. It later appears in scenes at mission school. During later montage, SerII 109 PU is ambushed by guerrillas and piles into ditch. Guerrillas also have topless SerII in their convoy, along with what I believe are called "jeeps." From: Mark Perry (email: rxq281@winnie.freenet.mb.ca) [2/'95] %T Watcher in the Woods. %D 1980 %K Watcher in the woods, film, movie, Lynn Holly Johnston, Land-Rover, S2A, LWB, PU %X About middle of movie, farm lad drives heroine (Lynn-Holly Johnston) home in a light blue SerIIA 109 pickup with bubbletop cab and deluxe bonnet. From: Mark Perry (email: rxq281@winnie.freenet.mb.ca) [2/'95] %T Wild Geese II %D 1985 %K Wild geese two, film, movie, Olivier, Land-Rover, LW %X Turkey actioner has mercenaries in Berlin who impersonate British provost officers to kidnap Rudolph Hess (Laurence Olivier!) using military lightweight L-Rs. From: Mark Perry (email: rxq281@winnie.freenet.mb.ca) [2/'95] %T On Wings of Eagles %D 1986 %K Wings of eagles, film, movie, Perot, Burt Lancaster, Land-Rover %X Ross Perot's rescue of his employees from Iran during the revolution. Burt Lancaster in lead role. (Range Rovers used in real life.) - Granville Pool mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net %T Wolf %D 1994 %K Wolf, film, movie, Pfeiffer, Nicholson, were wolf, werewolf, Range Rover, RR %X Michelle Pfeiffer drives a Range Rover and is a werewolf - Sanna@aol.com [3/'95] From "S.Vels Christensen" Mon Apr 4 01:18:35 1994 Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 01:18:35 -0600 (CST) From: "S.Vels Christensen" Subject: Charge Probs (yet another) Hi Today i had to submit myself to public transportation. Lawrence refused to start. The problem is a flat battery. What puzzles me is that the charge bulb is always on when starting and goes out immediately when the engine turns. So it must be charging i guess. I couldn't even crankstart it. I checked for water where there's not supposed to be any. All OK. I could also get a spark on the thin coil/distributor wire with the key in ignition. I believe i have quite a good understanding about how the electrics works. And everything seems to be ok. Could it just be a defect battery? It's not quite new but its an expensive and well kept Volvo battery. Not an off the shelf 20pounds supermarket type of Ducellier. The fluid level seems to be ok. Any clues appreciated. I'll have to take the bus when i go home from work on thursday. Sympathy also appreciated. Thanks. sv/aurens (more or less) From Peter Aslan Tue Apr 4 08:54:01 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 08:54:01 +0100 (BST) From: Peter Aslan Subject: Re: Erratic idling revisited I had the same problem, fixed it by replacing the Solex with a Webber. I believe it is caused by leaky gaskets, letting air into the inlet manifold. Ok on choke, but when the thing warms up you get an irratic idle. On my SII I was told that it was because the gaskets had dried up and were leeking, did you replace all the gaskets when you rebuilt the carb ? Also is the Air Cleaner ok, and all inlet manifold connections ok ? Regards, Peter Aslan (aka Captain Norton). Louden Quill Award. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- McDonnell Information Systems Boundary Way Hemel Hempstead Voice: 0442 273324 Hertfordshire HP2 7HU Fax: 0442 244896 ENGLAND Mail: paslan@uk.mdis.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Tue Apr 4 09:39:18 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 09:39:18 UNDEFINED From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: Fw: Talking Frog (fwd) /Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 13:50:59 -0700 /From: Roger Sinasohn /Subject: Fw: Talking Frog (fwd) / /This had me laughing so loud, I had to forward it to everyone I knew. Hope /you all find it just as hillarious! / /---- Forwarded from brian@zvs.com (Brian Miller): /none / A friend of mine forwarded this to me and I thought that you might /enjoy it or at least know others who would enjoy it. / / Surf's up Dude / Brian / / /> > A boy was crossing a road one day when a frog called out to him /> > and said, "If you kiss me, I'll turn into a beautiful princess." ************* [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)]***********> /> said, "Look, I'm a computer programmer. I don't have time for> > /girlfriends, but a talking frog is really cool." / /---- End of forwarded message ---- This is 'American humour'? Minimalist. (Lucky I'd seen it before on a newsgroup with no bloody digester..........) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From Tom Stevenson Tue Apr 4 10:06:58 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 10:06:58 +0100 (BST) From: Tom Stevenson Subject: LR at the movies Lloyd: I enjoyed reading your film list; I remember a film from the 70s which was a pilot or a film spin-off from the TV series 'Callan' with Edward Woodward. Part of the plot involved Eddie preventing the chief villain from leaving his country estate. By memorising the local Ordnance Survey map and driving a white Range Rover (with heavily tinted windows) our hero manages to head the baddie off every time with a bit of cross-country driving. Particularly good is the part where he finds a large greenhouse has been built across the road. -- Tom Stevenson: gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk University Marine Biological Station, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland Tel:(01475) 530581 Fax:(01475) 530601 From Stephen Thomas 4 95 Apr GMT 1912 Date: 4 Apr 95 12:22:40 GMT From: Stephen Thomas Subject: Webbing winches David John Place stated recently that he had seen webbing winches used to move boats, well it's not quite the same (and I'm not sure if I'd want to use it in a situation where I was bogged down, well where the landy was bogged down anyway), but recently, as some of you will know, I was forced to trailer tow my non-starting IIA. We hired an Indespsnsion vehicle trailer and pulled the landy on board with a windlass type winch equipped with webbing, all mounted to the trailer to facillitate this sort of problem. It was pulling Andy up the 30-odd-degree incline of the tipped trailer and although it was heavy going (heavy car!) worked adequately. Whether the web would stretch more under the extra load of the bogged vehicle, however, I don't know. Stephen... From "ANTHONY F. QUATTROMANI INTERNET:AQUATTROMANI@LOGICON.COM" Tue Apr 04 08:32:56 1995 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 1995 08:32:56 EDT From: "ANTHONY F. QUATTROMANI INTERNET:AQUATTROMANI@LOGICON.COM" Subject: New Subsriber - Introduction Hello everyone, I have been a subscriber for about 3 weeks now and thought it was about time to introduce myself. I am a simulation engineer working in Dahlgren, Virginia, on a contract with the U S Navy. After the bad winter of 93-94 in these parts, my wife and I decided that a 4 wheeler was in order. I looked at them all, but my wife didn't like any of them. Until I came across an ad for the Discovery. We both liked what we saw. Unfortunately we couldn't see a real one at the time. The dealer was only receiving 4-5 a month. Undaunted, I put my name on a waiting list on July 1, 1994. In August, I went to London on a business trip. I didn't have the opportunity to visit Solihull, but I did see scores of Discoveries and Rovers of all types. I was really hooked. Finally, on December 6, 1994, my Discovery arrived ! I read just about all of the messages on the daily digest, but of course I am most interested on the Discovery entries. No problems to date. My first dealer maintenance visit at 7500 miles cost $104.00. I do believe that my excellent local mechanic, (who handles my 1992 Sterling very well) will be able to take care of the Rover. Any comments on breaking away from the dealer? I have terrible luck with tires - seems that all nails, sharp boulders, etc. are naturally attracted to any vehicle I drive. Have already had a puncture on the Discovery. Tires are expensive ($240.00) and sefveral days on order!! I am looking forward to some off roading this spring and summer. Tony **************************************************************************** ANTHONY QUATTROMANI SYSCON Corporation (703) 663-9669 [VOICE] Rt 206, PO Box 1480 (703) 663-9625 [FAX] Dahlgren, VA 22448 aquattromani@logicon.com [INTERNET] **************************************************************************** From Pierce Reid <70004.4011@compuserve.com> 04 95 Apr EDT 1908 Date: 04 Apr 95 08:35:07 EDT From: Pierce Reid <70004.4011@compuserve.com> Subject: Movie Rover I did not see this one on the list... %T Wild Geese %D 197? %K Wild Geese -- Mercenaries topple an African despot. Military Land Rovers throughout. 109's - R. Pierce Reid 70004,4011@CompuServe.com Also, Hunt for Red October has a Range Rover in the opening scene as Jack Ryan gets out of it, Clear and Present Danger has several Range Rovers in it (badguys drive Blue RR's) and Made-for-TV Op Center has a 110 loosely disguised as a Russian Military jeep. Does anyone know if Tom Clancy drives a Landy or RR??? Cheers R. P. Reid From chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens) Tue Apr 4 08:26:49 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 08:26:49 -0500 From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens) Subject: Erratic Idling Revisited Just fiddled with the carb again and am now seriously concerned about my rebuild job. The unit...Zenith 36IVE...appears to be well sealed with the new gaskets. I installed all new jets as well as needle valve; checked the float measurements; installed new O ring. Did not install the replacement butterfly and spindle (the one sent with the rebuild kit did not have a poppet valve...what does that do anyway). Anyway, upon closer inspection, the carb is not leaking...except when I shut the motor down. Then fuel continues to trickle through the fuel line into the carb and collects on top of the butterfly, then oozes out the rear of the spindle eventually dripping on the manifold (now you see why I'm concerned). Is the carb body worn at the spindle fitting? Is it normal for fuel to continue to flow into the carb after the motor is shut off? Could the O-ring not be sealed correctly? Chris Stevens 1969 SIIA 88" SW BCG Corporate Communications Towson, Maryland, USA (410) 583-1722 (410) 583-1935 (FAX) chrisste@Clark.net From "Steve Methley" Tue Apr 4 15:12:17 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 15:12:17 +0100 From: "Steve Methley" Subject: Re: Erratic Idling Revisited Chris writes: >the carb is not leaking...except when I shut the motor down. Then fuel >continues to trickle through the fuel line into the carb and collects on [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] >worn at the spindle fitting? Is it normal for fuel to continue to flow into >the carb after the motor is shut off? No it's not normal for any carb to leak after the motor is shut down. You'll have residual pressure form the fuel pump, but when the float valve closes as the flaot chamber is full, then the supply should be blocked. So even though I don't have a carb like yours. it seems pretty likely that the diagnosis is a stuck open float valve, or more likely a wrongly adjusted float level/valve trip point. Look on the bright side you could have twin carbs! Best Regards, Steve. 79RR (twin Strombergs) From William Terry Tue Apr 4 10:42:42 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 95 10:42:42 -0400 From: William Terry Subject: in the movies The one addition I can make to the list is "The Lair of the White Worm". It's the last story written by the author of Dracula, I believe. People pile into a Series LR belonging to the character played by the guy in "Three Weddings and a Funeral" to head to head to the cave where they believe local people disappear. Set in the England or Scotland. Peace, Bill From "Russell G. Dushin" Tue Apr 4 11:16:46 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 95 11:16:46 EDT From: "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: Re: LRNA Reps > 2. Will there ever be spare aluminum hardtop parts available to the > general public - specifically the pieces that mount to the tailgate lid > allowing for it to be raised by hydralics? I'd like to purchase a set > for my IIA's tailgate lid (the rods are definitely tedious). A few years back RN was selling the little "hydraulic shock absorber like things" that do this....along with the fixings....some drilling required... for about $60 US. rd/nige From wills@spl.co.za (William Smith) Tue Apr 4 17:20:44 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 17:20:44 +0200 From: wills@spl.co.za (William Smith) Subject: HELP !! RUST Hi all, I am really depressed since this morning. I went to show somebody where the chassis number is stencilled on my SIII 2,25l pup and discovered rust there. It is where the leaf spring mounting is welded to the chassis. The rust is +- 5 x 3 cm. *** small holes are visible ***. How do I go about fixing this ? I've got an arc welder and gas (oxy/acetylene) welding equipment. PLEASE I'm really distressed !! William ------------------------------------------------------------------ William Smith Email: wills@SPLinux.spl.co.za SPL Voice: +27 (0)11 322 2117 Johannesburg Fax : +27 (0)11 322 2232 South Africa Cell : 082 455 1816 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From "TeriAnn Wakeman" Tue Apr 4 08:34:29 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 95 08:34:29 -0700 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Subject: Re: Wheels/Paint color schemes In message <199504032211.XAA01033@chunnel.uk.stratus.com> writes: none Here's my best guess: > Phil asks about wheel color, and since i am getting close to painting, i have > some questions. [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)] > so here are my questions > 1st, - there is no white, only limestone, Correct? yes > 2nd, - wheels are always painted limestone except for SVOs? Limestone except for series I & military > 3rd, - door tops are body colour? Front door tops are body colour. > 4th, - Rear door gets painted body colour? If safari door yes. If tailgate, bottom yes, top limestone (assuming limestone sides). > 5th - window side-panels get painted limestone or body colour? > some questions. Depends. If stationwagon, then body colour else if regular then limestone If stationwagon with tropical top. sun shield is limestone, top underneath is body colour. If regular, entire top is limestone. Some stationwagons had entire top limestone. Hint for tops, inside colour was the same as outside colour. except for sun shield on station wagons. . > if this is any help it is an export LHD Late IIA 1969 SWB > some questions. A key bit of info would have been type..ie station wagon, regular etc. TeriAnn Wakeman Large format photographers look at the world twakeman@apple.com upside down and backwards TeriAnn Wakeman Large format photographers look at the world twakeman@apple.com upside down and backwards From kirkwood@strider.fm.intel.com (Clayton Kirkwood) Tue Apr 4 10:15:13 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 10:15:13 -0700 From: kirkwood@strider.fm.intel.com (Clayton Kirkwood) Subject: complement??? I ran across this the other day at the doctor's office (and ripped the page out to mount it!!). This comes from the Jan95 issue of Car and Driver, and the article lists the ten best cars which now includes the SUV area too. In two side bars were listed the ten best performers (94) and the ten worst performers (94). Our favorites didn't make the best list but were prominent in the worst list. Top speed honors went to Land Rover Defender 90, 86mph, while Interior sound levels @ 70mph went to ..... YES, Land Rover Defender 90, 86dBA. Apparently, for each mph the dBA goes up by one, an interesting 1:1 correlation ;>}. Accordingly, following this logic, the typical crawl speed of the 90 suggests that the sound level at 5 mph would be 5dBA, well below audible levels, leaving one to suppose that one doesn't hear the vehicle, only the great outdoors!!! On a similar vein, in comparing the same categories between best and worst, whereas the Def. 90 only hits 86 mph, the "best" top speed is 185 mph by the Lamborghini Diablo VT, and the sound level is best in the BMW 530i, Mercedes-Benz S320, and Nissan Maxima SE all at 66 dBA. OK fine. I would like to see the Diablo go 185 offroad, ...yeah right. Or how about the Mercedes offroad. Oh sure, it's quiet, but then you also can't hear the great outdoors either. Now what kind of fun is that???? On an ominous note, BMW shared the sound level "best" and took braking distance honours. What does this portend for future Landies? So we stop on a dime, but hey, we do it quietly!!!! All in all, quite nice complements on sound level and top speed -- Clayton R. Kirkwood, FM1-58, 916 356-5838 From Mike Fredette Tue Apr 04 10:20:16 1995 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 1995 10:20:16 -0700 From: Mike Fredette Subject: another movie not mentioned The flick is called "Island of Terror". A cool late late 60's B- or C+ British sci-fi thing. Set on an island off the coast of Ireland, some well meaning scientists (aren't they always) create some mutant, bone marrow sucking critters The local villagers have a hell of a time ridding themselves of the pesky pests, running around in old Land Rovers doing anything they can think of, shotguns, dynamite, what have you. Rgds Mike Fredette Portland, Oregon From "Lapa, Hank" Tue Apr 04 11:45:12 1995 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 95 11:45:12 EST From: "Lapa, Hank" Subject: Roof paint I'm pretty sure that a '69 IIA would have a Limestone roof whether regular or station wagon. However, I think the license-built Rovers from South America continued to paint roofs in body color with the only the sunshield portions being limestone, a la Ser II and prior. This is based on the observations of a friend's recent visit to Costa Rica. Hank From Dixon Kenner Tue Apr 4 13:43:58 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 13:43:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re: MOUNTING A WEBER 45DCOE ON A 2.25L PET. LAND ROVER. On Sun, 2 Apr 1995, Wade Zumbach wrote: > I usually just lurk around here but I thought that I would like to get > your comments on what I'm about to try. I have purchase a Weber 45DCOE > dual throat side draght carb type #13, #1 G, with the cold start option. My, my, my... Well, TerriAnne once said that the TR-3 intake manifold fit onto the 2.25l head. If true, you could use that manifold if you could find one with the dual intakes. You will still need to play some games to raise the 45DCOE over the steering box. Rgds, PS, If all fails, the 45DCOE would look real nice on my Cooper S... From labranch@sybase.com (Jason LaBranch) Tue Apr 4 10:44:47 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 95 10:44:47 PDT From: labranch@sybase.com (Jason LaBranch) Subject: Re: LRNA Reps Well, concerning the LR representative, I saw a post the other day, the email had no identifing marks. There was no signature. The response was informed and about a specific number of Land Rover Defender 110's imported. The email address was: LRDEF90@aol.com Folks, it is just a guess but this could be the LR spy. Jason LaBranch 1970 88" IIa From Sanna@aol.com Tue Apr 4 14:31:41 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 14:31:41 -0400 From: Sanna@aol.com Subject: Re: LRNA Reps As long as someone started a "TIPS FOR SOLIHULL" list, let me pass on a couple of disapointments at viewing the new D90's. As a 25 year veteran of IIa ownership I was really disapointed to see that Rover's chintzed on all the galvanized that a series truck has. After all these years of hard use the galvanized on my Rover is still perfect, and being a rag top, the galvanized body caps, door caps, gate trim, etc. have all gotten a lot of wear. And why doesn't that windscreen fold, huh? Answer me that! From kirkwood@strider.fm.intel.com (Clayton Kirkwood) Tue Apr 4 11:21:23 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 11:21:23 -0700 From: kirkwood@strider.fm.intel.com (Clayton Kirkwood) Subject: Re: LRNA Reps On Apr 4, 10:44am, Jason LaBranch wrote: > Subject: Re: LRNA Reps > Well, [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)] > had no identifing marks. There was no signature. The response was > informed and about a specific number of Land Rover Defender 110's imported. > The email address was: > LRDEF90@aol.com [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] > LRDEF90@aol.com > Folks, it is just a guess but this could be the LR spy. Yeah, yeah, let's get 'im.... I've got some winch cable, and there's a tree. Quick grab 'im ;<) The dirty rotten scoundrel... > Jason LaBranch > 1970 88" IIa >-- End of excerpt from Jason LaBranch none -- Clayton R. Kirkwood, FM1-58, 916 356-5838 From Russell Burns Tue Apr 4 11:21:30 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 95 11:21:30 PDT From: Russell Burns Subject: Confused... Lets see, we have a LRNA spy, who is putting together a "black list" of all the illegal landrovers imported in the U.S, Canada, Mexico, New Mexico... I guess I shouldn't tell him about the 3000 series I and II's I am having fedexed to my house.... This sounds like our type of guy, maybe we should buy him a beer, toss him in the mud, and let that british bloke fondle him while teaching him to drive. Russ From "TeriAnn Wakeman" Tue Apr 4 11:50:50 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 95 11:50:50 -0700 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Subject: Re: Charge Probs (yet another) In message <199504040026.BAA01404@chunnel.uk.stratus.com> "S.Vels Christensen" writes: > to start. The problem is a flat battery. What puzzles me is that the charge > bulb is always on when starting and goes out immediately when the engine > turns. So it must be charging i guess. Charge bulb? AKA idiot light I believe that means your generator is kicking out enough voltage while the engine is running that there isn't enough drainage of the battery to light the filiment. It doesn't mean that your battery is actually getting charged, or even that its not slowly discharging while the engine is running. The best use I have found for a generator light is to let you know if your fan belt breaks. We had a big guage discussion here a year or so ago & I was the only one who came out as a fan of a voltmeter, but its time to make a pitch again. The big complaint is that they read the seame thing all the time and otherwise do not do anything. Everyone wanted AMP meters because the needle jumped around and showed action. Actually, I like them both, but if I could have only one, it would be a volt meter. The volt meter will show what your generator/alternator is putting out. It will read around 11.5ish if you are not charging and running off a charged battery. If your generator/alternator is properly doing its thing, you will have somewhere around 13 volts. As you turn on more circuits you can get a feel for how much load your charging circuit can handle without help from the battery. When I moved from Seattle to the Monterey bay area, there was a day and night I was driving with wipers on, heater on full, lights and fog lights. The generator light in my '69 88 did not come on. The amp guage looked like it was reading zero. After a day and several night hours of driving I parked for the night. I did not heve enough power left in the battery to start the car in the morning. Had I a volt meter, I could have seen that the voltage was below 12 and it was taking the generator plus battery to keep everything going. An Ammeter will show if you have a large power drain or if your generator/alternator is doing a rapid charge of a depleted battery. It is not sensitive enough to tell you if it is doing a trickle charge, or a slight discharge. It won't tell you if your battery is fully charged, only if your regulator thinks it is. if your regulator is out of kilter, your battery not performing properly (cell going bad, low water level, etc), or high resistance connections. Getting of my soap box, clean your battery terminals & check fluid levels. If you can, check the battery to see if you have a weak or bad cell (replace if necessary). In my personal experience, about 75% of the starter motor not turning properly is caused by high resistance electrical connection between the battery and starter. A very high percentage of these is a high resistance connection at the battery post. Other places to look are the connection to the starter motor, engine to chasis ground strap, and batt. cable to gnd. Batt. connections can look OK but still be high resistance. The black oxide that can form between the post and connector is an insulator. So it just doesn't need to look grungy corroded to have a high resistance connetion. Also brushes do wear and at the end make a increasingly higher resistance contact as they get too short for the spring to press them onto the commutator. Of course you CAN cheat, push start the car & take it to Sears & ask for a free diagnosis. Good luck TeriAnn Wakeman Large format photographers look at the world twakeman@apple.com upside down and backwards From Sanna@aol.com Tue Apr 4 14:17:53 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 14:17:53 -0400 From: Sanna@aol.com Subject: Re: Hello! and It's Stuck... >The Landy is currently receiving a good deal of (much deserved) verbal abuse. No! Don't do it! Bad idea! Never, but NEVER, verbally abuse a Land Rover. Being British, the whole works runs on a delicate balance of self-esteem & questionable craftsmanship. From Dixon Kenner Tue Apr 4 15:34:46 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 15:34:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re: Roof paint On Tue, 4 Apr 1995, Lapa, Hank wrote: > I'm pretty sure that a '69 IIA would have a Limestone roof whether > regular or station wagon. However, I think the license-built Rovers [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] > This is based on the observations of a friend's recent visit to Costa > Rica. 109" Station Wagons had onlt the sunscreen portion painted limestone. The main roof was painted body colour. 88's were all limestome to my knowledge. From "Lapa, Hank" Tue Apr 04 14:46:48 1995 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 95 14:46:48 EST From: "Lapa, Hank" Subject: Re: HELP !! RUST William, Replacement items should be available so that you can cut/grind both frontal protuberances off the chassis and weld new ones on. I got a couple of these from Craddock's several years back. I had a large hole clear through the side of one of mine, but the rest seemed solid, so I suspect you do not have an imminent emergency. As I recall, a pair of these were a bit spendy back then, and I suspect no less costly now. The replacement parts had wide flanges to assist mounting, but think cutting the flanges off (especially the laterals) would actually provide a stronger final installation. Remember to use both the bumper AND the springs to achieve line up before welding the second item into place or you may have a hard time getting the bumper bolts through the holes later. Hank > Subject: HELP !! RUST > Author: wills@spl.co.za (William Smith) at Zeus > From: wills@spl.co.za (William Smith) > Subject: HELP !! RUST [ truncated by lro-digester (was 41 lines)] > South Africa Cell : 082 455 1816 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ From David John Place Tue Apr 4 15:54:25 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 15:54:25 -0500 (CDT) From: David John Place Subject: Re: Webbing winches Well the webbing I use here for towing is about 4" across and has "D" Rings at each end. It was used to sling heavy boats like 40 to 50 foot sail boats etc. To lift my engine in and out of the Land Rover during my last rebuild, I used a military web strap about 2" wide. I used two of them under the block and then to my engine crane. They worked very well. Yes these straps stretch but they don't seem to strike back like steel wire when they let go. I also use them to lift the aluminum top off the 88(getting too old to do it myself without the hoist:-) ) and they stretch a few inches. I guess I would rather have them hit me under load than a steel cable. You will have noticed that load binders on semi flat beds holding large heavy loads are almost always web straps. Just my two cents worth. :-) Dave VE4PN From jimmyp@netcom.com (Jimmy Patrick) Tue Apr 4 14:14:20 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 14:14:20 -0700 From: jimmyp@netcom.com (Jimmy Patrick) Subject: LRO Calendar Hi all, I made it back from the UK with no problems. Mabel is on a luxury cruise with about 400 new Discoveries. I pick her up on the 19th of April. Can't wait. I would like to produce a calendar of LRO land rovers and even owners. I have facilities for scanning pictures, designing the calendar, and getting it printed. This wouldn't be a concours type of calendar that you see for the jags or mgs, this one should be full of character cars and humorous quotes from the list. If anyone is interested in this idea, let me know. I will need 12-16 photos of rovers owned by list members, info about the LR, funny quotes about the land rover or whatever. I will pick the best shots and put together the calendar. I think we can get these calendars made pretty cheaply because I work with a lot of printers and film houses in my job. The more calendars we make, the cheaper they get. All land-rovers and range-rovers welcome. If you want to participate, I will scan you pic and return it to you if you can send me a SASE. I mentioned this a while back to a few members and they thought it would be a pretty cool thing to do. Anyone else want to play? Send me a note if you are interested. cheers. jimmy -- Jimmy Patrick jimmyp@netcom.com From "Russell G. Dushin" Tue Apr 4 17:53:59 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 95 17:53:59 EDT From: "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: Re: Hello! and It's Stuck... > Hello to all, > We are new to the List (Tim and Jenny). Just lurking so far but now it's > time to introduce ourselves. The proud owners of a IIa fitted with a flat tray > body. none Welcome, you've found the right place. > Our big headache at the moment is getting the transfer unit out of the front chassis > member. The manual simply says undo the bolts and drive it out with a brass drift, > applying oil if it is stiff. Presumably, we are talking about the steering relay here. Although I myself have never had the occasion to *have* to remove one, the method of choice (I'm told) when all else fails is to a) wrap a chain around it and the frame...you are securing it here to keep it from flying out and doing damage to your (or your rover's) body parts so that in b) you place a jack underneath the relay, with suitable protection of said relay (eg. block of wood placed between the jack and the relay itself, although this wood may just crunch and you may have to go without...), then jack up the car......it *should* pop out (verbal abuse might help, but be sure to take back everything mean and nasty you said afterwards....assuming it works....and make up with your rover or else.....). You might have to jump up and down on the bumper. BUT BE CAREFUL, STAY CLEAR, and make damned sure the relay is gonna be held by the chain when it breaks loose. Now that it's out, do you intend to disassemble it or replace it? If you are going to take it apart....USE EVEN MORE CAUTION....there is a spring in there that can kill you. Ask before you leap. > By the way, are there any other Tasmanians on the list? I think there is one or two....I know of some in Hobart, though..... rgds, rd/nigel From jed@teleport.com (Jim Edwards) Tue Apr 4 15:35:55 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 15:35:55 -0700 From: jed@teleport.com (Jim Edwards) Subject: buying land rover for use in UK A friend will be spending a year in Dublin. He is interested in buying a RHD SII or SIII 88" in either England or Ireland this summer and then selling it next summer. He wants a reliable car rather than a fixer upper-upper. Does anyone know of any dealers he could contact or have one for sale? Any suggestions for insurance companies? Thanks Jim From "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> 04 95 Apr EDT 1918 Date: 04 Apr 95 18:40:02 EDT From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: lead-free on Series... Just FYI, after I had overhauled the cylinderhead and replaced valves + sleeves on the 4-cyl. of my S.III 109 (just the regular stuff, *not* a lead-free conversion!) I ran it for 7 (seven) years on lead-free petrol, towing, off-roading, gruelling trips around North Africa (ok, in Africa it got lotsa lead, yummy-yummy!). In all over 100,000 km on lead-free regular, and no problem yet. Could this be a record? Stefan From Craig Murray Wed Apr 5 9:09:03 1995 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 95 9:09:03 EST From: Craig Murray Subject: Re: Chug Chug Chuguuummm...phut. Chug ch > Engine warm - > Idle : Billows _lots_ of white smoke [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)] > When cold the consistency of the smoke is thicker and there is more blue/grey > - goes away after about 3 minutes on tickover > Andy Grafton > A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk This sort of sounds like there is something wrong with the injector pump, as the miss, with the puff of white smoke, sounds like the injector pump is pumping fuel too late!?!? When rebuilding the engine, it would pay to go the hole hog, and have the injectors and the injector pump serviced. -- ============================================================================== Craig Murray | 1955 Series 1 86" LROC of Victoria Australia | 2.25 diesel LROC of Gippsland Victoria Australia | My car is constipated, email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au | It has not passed a | thing all day!! From William.Grouell@Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell) Tue Apr 4 16:21:43 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 16:21:43 +0800 From: William.Grouell@Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell) Subject: Re: Roof paint > 88's were all limestome > to my knowledge. Mine ('64 88" Sta. Wgn.) is body color* (Poppy) with white tropical panel. Me thinks we can conclude that both are correct. Looking carefully at the top, like in corners, under rubber strips, under upolstery, ect... one should be able to figure out what the original color was. Hell, just start sanding. R, bg * Yes, it is original! From rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com ( ROY CALDWELL ) Tue Apr 4 17:48:35 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 95 17:48:35 MDT From: rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com ( ROY CALDWELL ) Subject: LRNA Well Gang here is the scoop as I know it. It is the owners list that is being looked at every so often. It is being read by a rep in customer service of LRNA. My informant left the impression that it was very friendly and not an attempt to gather shit about gray market Rovers. LRNA did hear about the 3,000 phantom Rovers in crates and had no more success in finding them than we did. I mean actually seeing, touching and smelling one. I can understand their interest in those vehicles. 3,000 units on the market would really under-cut their business. Not that I agree, but I do understand. I do have the persons name but was hoping that my original post might prompt them to declare. I was not told the name was secret but I didn't feel it would be to fair to out them unless they really wanted to be know by name. So that's the deal. So LRNA this would be a good time to intro yourself and your purpose. We are a very friendly bunch but with a very strong loyalty to Land Rover. Not the co. per-se but the vehicle. Ok, that's all I know. Roy - Rovers in the Rockies Got a Rover under me again!!! From sohearn@InterServ.Com Tue Apr 4 18:53:39 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 95 18:53:39 PDT From: sohearn@InterServ.Com Subject: LRNA Lurker? Frank Twarog writes: >If said rep were willing to respond to my questions directly (in >order to save face on the digest) I would greatly, GREATLY appreciate it. >Thanks very much Saving face is not necessary. I don't think anyone here would take offense to LRNA getting covert or unofficial feedback here on the Internet. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the case. Instead I think it's a good idea and should be commended as good utilization of a resource for a whole bunch of business reasons. I also think it would be an even better idea for this LRNA affiliated person, if he/she does exist, to go "public." It could be done with suitable caveats if necessary but I think the benefits would be tremendous, both to us here on the list and to LRNA as well. Sure, this individual, would no doubt be swamped with a tidal wave of questions, at least initially. Certainly many could not be answered immediately or maybe at all. But a path of communication would be established, and not just for our benefit. While I hope LRNA (or its parent in the UK) would be interested in a two-way with Land Rover enthusiasts, they should definitely be interested in such discussions with current product owners. Information on accessories and guidance on use would be a fundamental part of and benificial contributor to what LRNA calls the "Land Rover Experience." Feedback from the users of their product would be direct and more easily followed up when obtaining further deatils is necessary. But here is the biggest benefit of all for LRNA and the best reason for them to actively (or even passively) support some kind of representation on the Internet (note: I'm not suggesting the list become the primary funnel, just perhaps a participant): Potential buyers of current Land Rover products are very likely to include, in increasing numbers, users of the Internet. These people will be interested in easily obtaining information and will probably be more comfortable doing their research on the net. Facilitating this will increase LRNA's exposure and benefit its image. What about DealerNet? A good start but I'm not sure how direct LRNA's participation is. Also there is no inquiry point of contact (at least not yet). You say they sell everything they import? OK, but selling more if you can up production is even better. With more top-of-the-line SUV's on the ways from Lincoln, Cadillac, Mercedes-Benz, etc. it won't hurt to be first on the net and get a jump on the others. Anyways, that's my opinion such as it is. - Stephen From ac443@osfn.rhilinet.gov (John Karlsson) Tue Apr 4 23:02:47 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 23:02:47 -0400 From: ac443@osfn.rhilinet.gov (John Karlsson) Subject: Progress report Welding done, frame wire brushed to From Andrew Grafton Wed Apr 5 13:13:26 1995 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 95 13:13:26 BST From: Andrew Grafton Subject: Which tyres? Hope I'm not being too much of a pain-in-the-arse with the volume of questions recently, but the time has arrived where we need to be spending money and I appreciate your well informed opinions. Tyres. Have spoken to a number of tyre salesmen, two tyre companies to conclude an awful lot. The question is : which to buy? The brief : Driving 2 x 109" SIII diesels from UK to South Africa. Total distance to be covered is between 10K and 12K miles. Some 2/3 will (prob.) be on relatively good tarred roads. Rest will be on poor tar or on (at best) lightly corrugated dirt roads. Worst case is badly potted and rutted, maybe muddy dirt roads. We are not going to be doing very silly things as both vehicles will be fully laden, and our whole policy is to avoid trouble if we can by going round, not over or through. Would like a good lot of tread left on the tyres at the end of the journey to help sell the vehicles on. Don't want the tyres to go wrong, and want to use tubes. Don't want to pay through the nose Bear in mind that we have 2 vehicles, pulleys, ropes, winches, ground anchors, sandladders etc. so getting stuck isn't going to be the end of the earth. So far I have concluded the following; * Don't take any kind of remoulds * Radials preferable to crossplys * Buy a multipurpose tyre to save on-road wear and noise * There is a trade-off between the # of tyre plies / wall thicknesses (which seems to equate to strength) and ride comfort. So... Any suggestions? Have been recommended BFG Track edge (sp) and Avon Rangemasters more than once so far - that is the price range we're looking at (80 quid UK, don't know what these things cost in the US) Anyone with suitable experience, speak up! If my conclusions are wrong so far, don't be afraid to let me know... Thanks for listening, Andy A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk From "Lapa, Hank" Wed Apr 05 07:39:41 1995 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 95 07:39:41 EST From: "Lapa, Hank" Subject: LRNA lurker I would guess that it is not this guy's *job* to maintain an LRNA presence on the net. If so, he's a subscriber like the rest of us, who happens to work for LRNA. It seems reasonable that he does not want to become a lightning rod for hundreds of good ideas, gripes, personnal problems, stalkers, or whatever because of this affiliation, as may have already started. (Sounds like good headwork on his part.) LRNA *should* maintain a formal, corpor