From Alan Smedley Thu Nov 30 19:43:03 1995 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 19:43:03 -1000 From: Alan Smedley Subject: Re: Messages to LRO-Digest Can someone enlighten me as to the "accepted" protocol with replying and commenting to messages on the LRO Digest. I have recieved some comments and/or answers to items directly from others and I have had some replies which have been posted to the LRO Digest. I would have thought the purpose of the digest was to "Share" information not just to get started with what becomes direct messaging to a limited few. Where the subject matter of of mutual interest I would be inclined to reply to both the LRO Digest and the person sending the message directly. Is this the accepted method? :-) Alan Smedley (-: :-) Plymoth Blue '92 Range Rover (-: From wassili@AMC.UVA.NL (Roy Wassili) Thu Nov 30 10:40:30 1995 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:40:30 +0001 From: wassili@AMC.UVA.NL (Roy Wassili) Subject: Re: Dutch 4wd magazines >On Tue, 21 Nov 1995, Roy Wassili wrote: >> Have you received the mags yet? [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)] > Magazines just arrived. Have sent off the latest newsletter for > your purusal... Dixon, Just received the newsletter. I'll enjoy reading it! Regards, Roy LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR ____ | _____/|__|| Roy Wassili, | /(-8| \ | Avalon Green '95 Discovery, VG-XH-66 ____|_/[]__|__\___|# scarved for live |] __=| | __ |# [|_/ \|_____|_/ \_|] ( o ) ( o ) From LTC Larry Smith Thu Nov 30 7:42:08 1995 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 95 7:42:08 EST (1242Z) From: LTC Larry Smith Subject: Re: O/D noise: Could I have a loose shaft nut? Alan, I just went through something similar with my '72 88 petrol. Thought I was going to end up replacing the whole overdrive unit. Finally got around to pulling everything down the Sunday before Thanksgiving (US). When the overdrive is installed, the maingear on the end of the transmission is removed and a sleeve clutch is installed. This has roller bearings that support the end of the overdrive input shaft and teeth that mesh with the input also. The only time this assy gets lubed is with bearing grease on assembly. My setup had completely dried up, the sleeve clutch teeth "rolled over" and the bearings scored. Ordered a sleeve and bearing service kit from RN along with the gasket (Xmsn to OD). Be sure to use high temp bearing grease (like for servicing wheel bearings on disc brake vehicles) on reassembly. I plan on checking and regreasing every 10,000 miles from now on. 'til later, Larry From "barnett childress" Thu Nov 30 8:45:35 1995 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 95 8:45:35 EST From: "barnett childress" Subject: re:The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest Hello to all, I have been reading for a couple of months now and feel like jumping in so here goes. I bought a new 1995 D90 from LRMW in Natick MA. back in May. It took me over a year to save, scrimp and sell a few things to get up the money for a good down payment. Driving off of the dealers lot I was still wondering if I had made a wise choice or a huge mistake! First let me say that I have owned my share of 4WD's. Suzuki Samuri, Mitsubishi Montero, Toyota Pickup. I have off-roaded with all of them and they we also my daily driver, 70 miles a day on the highway. None of these 4WD's were great at off-roading for different reasons, lack of power, wimpy gearing, etc. Nor were they comfortable daily drivers. After owning my D90 for six months, driving it every day and doing some serious off roading almost every weekend I know I made the right choice. The Land Rover is by far the finest, most rugged, best built 4WD you can get your hands on, period! I guess by now you can tell I'm happy with my purchase and have had only a few minor problems, none mechanical. Here are the the additions that I've made to my D90 so far: 1) Superwinch Husky8 winch/heavy duty bumper as used on the Camel Trophy D110's. The solenoids and remote connector have been relocated under the driver seat. This keeps out water, mud, salt etc. 2) ARB/Old Man Emu Heavy Duty suspension. After installing the winch/bumper combo my front end dropped about 1.5" and I could feel the difference in handling due to the extra weight. Going to LR heavy duty front springs and gas shocks was an option, but the OME suspension was the same price. It also gave me the steering stabilizer, 1.5" lift, and approx. 3" of extra wheel travel. The new ride is smoother and more controlled. 3) ARB Air Lockers front and rear. The D90 goes just about anywhere stock, but with the air lockers you can climb those STEEP hills that are to rough to use any momentum. In lo range, second gear you can climb just about anything and never spin a tire. I do a lot of rock crawling and the lockers are great when you keep lifting wheels off of the ground. I also prefer the option of locking and unlocking the diff's as I choose. Back on the road you have regular open diff's. A great advantage, no extra wear and tear on tires, and gas mileage is unaffected. The next things I want to do is to add the full rear safari cage and full soft top. This brings me to the questions I would like to ask: 1) I would like some opinions on rear seats. I am not to thrilled with the dealer rear seat. No easy access and huge brackets bolted to the floor when removed. How are the LR inward facing jump seats? Access looks better and they would fold up and out of the way with out removal. Are they fairly comfortable. I rarely carry passengers and would use these seats more for family trail rides. 2) Anyone have any solutions for carying a hi-lift jack, shovel, etc. securely? I am thinking of fabricating a rack that would bolt onto the spare tire carrier and could be removed. I don't like the idea of a roof rack. Sorry for the long winded post and thanks in advance for any info, Barnett Childress. EMAIL Barnett Childress@EMC@eng@hop1.com 1995 D90 still unnamed. P.S. I wave and pull over! From "Tom Rowe" Thu Nov 30 08:17:52 1995 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 08:17:52 GMT -0600 From: "Tom Rowe" Subject: Re: Messages to LRO-Digest Alan Smedley asks: > Can someone enlighten me as to the "accepted" protocol with replying and commenting to messages on the LRO Digest. I have recieved some comments and/or answers to items directly from others and I have had some replies which have been posted to the LRO Digest. I would have thought the purpose of the digest was to "Share" information not just to get started with what becomes direct messaging to a limited few. Where the subject matter of of mutual interest I would be inclined to reply to both the LRO Digest and the > person sending the message directly. Is this the accepted method? FWIW I try to use replies to the list only for things that I think will be of general interest to the list (yeh, people, I know I fail in that sometimes). I also try to include only that portion of the original message that is relevant, for two reasons; one, to save bandwidth and help out people that have to pay to download their mail, and two, because the Major truncates messages if there are too many comment marks. I usually indicate when I've deleted a part, "snip". PLEASE only reply to the list or the person, not both. They obviously will see your reply when it's distributed and double replies clutter the mailboxes of those of us who get a lot of mail. The exception would be, in my opinion, when the person requesting info is a digest subscriber and wants the info soonest, but you think it will benefit the list also. Well, those are my own personal guidelines. Tom Rowe UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible. From Jonathan Seely Thu Nov 30 07:09:10 1995 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 07:09:10 -0800 From: Jonathan Seely Subject: Defender 110 sunroof leak This probably isn't a real big problem but it has me stumped. I have a '93 North Americam Spec. Defender 110, it's great for my uses. However recently I have had problems with the very simple LR sunroof - it leaks like a sieve. Rovers North in Vermont (they installed the unit originally) has replaced the glass panel once but the leaks continue. The water SEEMS to be coming in through the rubber seal around the glass panel and not between the rubber gasket of the frame and the glass unit. I have taken out the headliner just to make sure there are no other leaks in the roof or windscreen but have not found any. Rovers North hinted that there are problems with the sunroof unit in general but would not commit to it. Has anyone else had this problem with original Land Rover sunroofs and is there a solution? I don't mind a few drips - afterall it is a Land Rover but now it's puddles Thanks for any response. Jonathan Seely jseely@ix.netcom.com From GElam30092@aol.com Thu Nov 30 10:44:28 1995 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:44:28 -0500 From: GElam30092@aol.com Subject: Leaky 110 Jonathon Seely writes "This probably isn't a real big problem but it has me stumped. I have a '93 North Americam Spec. Defender 110, it's great for my uses. However recently I have had problems with the very simple LR sunroof - it leaks like a sieve." Jeez if I were you, I would sell it. Since I live in AZ where it *almost* never rains and work out of the house (therefore not exposing it to harmful UV rays), I would be happy to take it off your hands if and only if I receive a substantial discount for the leaky sunroof. Gerry "Love my Discovery but always on the lookout for a bargain" Elam Phoenix... high today: 78 degrees From LeCompteDW@silver-po.biz.uiowa.edu Thu Nov 30 10:02 1995 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 95 10:02 CST From: LeCompteDW@silver-po.biz.uiowa.edu Subject: D90 - Hardtop Report anyone? Living in the blowing and drifting snow of Iowa, is there anyone who has made the $2k investment in a hardtop for their Defender 90? Is it worth it? David "Snow Down My Neck" LeCompte '95 Defender 90 Waterloo, Iowa From Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus 30 95 Nov EST 1911 Date: 30 Nov 95 11:09:49 EST From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus Subject: Distributors and advancing senility.... Mine, that is...8*) While installing a new electronic ignition system in my Rover yesterday I took the time to clean, grease and otherwise spiff up my distributor. In doing so (and preparing a backup points baseplate for emergencies) I ran across an anomaly I would like an opinion on. The shaft and weights in my present distributor were marked "10 Degrees". This I can understand - means it's designed to give that much advance at full vacuum. However, the distributor I robbed the plate out of for the electronics unit has its shaft and weights marked "21 DEGREES" !?!?!?!?!?! The parts distributor was off a Series IIa. The one I'm driving on right now is ex-MG. Dumb question: is 21 degrees of advance right, and should I swap the shaft and such? Does it matter? Am I being excessively anal-retentive? Are any of you still awake? aj"Confused as usual"r From David Rosenbaum Thu Nov 30 08:43:18 1995 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 08:43:18 -0800 (PST) From: David Rosenbaum Subject: D90 Hi-lift jack stowage Dear Barnett, Your D90 sounds great! I have the stock option rear seat and agree that you have to be nimble to get into and out of it with the full soft top on (when it's off, you can climb over sides or back). It is very easy to fold up or remove, although the floor brackets stay in place. Others have posted messages about inward facing rear seats...one of the downsides of them is somewhat limited view for passengers on long rides. (Rear seat for old Scouts (model 800) were forward facing and bolted to the wheelwell rather than the floor of the rear- I dont know if such a seat would properly fit in the back of a D90, but I could check on the dimensions and let you know....others have written about rear jeep seats. The Scout seat is heavy and doesn't fold, so it would have to be in or out). I still haven't come up with an external mount for my hi-lift jack. The jack fits very snugly from front to back along the right side of the rear floor and the stock option rear seat keeps it from moving at all. But for this to work, the footplate of the jack has to be as-is (if you have enlarged it by adding a piece of wood [so that it doesn't sink into soft track]) the jack won't fit under the seat. Best wishes, David '94 D90 From Roger Sinasohn Thu Nov 30 08:53:13 1995 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 08:53:13 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: Front license plates Shortly after I bought my 109", I arranged for custom plates (INDY 1). I swapped the rear one right away. Got around to the front on a trip east (I think it was in Nevada that I finally took the old one off the front), but didn't bother putting the custom plate on the front. It sits in the kitchen on the window sill. (One of these days, I'll move it to the miniature collection shelves.) In 5 years, never been stopped for anything in the Land Rover, let alone missing front plates. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From sreddock@VNET.IBM.COM Thu Nov 30 16:57:58 1995 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 95 16:57:58 GMT From: sreddock@VNET.IBM.COM Subject: Fuel injection Hi, a few days ago somebody asked about carbs for a 3.5l engine as the efi was removed for a 3.9. This sounds like a really bad idea to me. I don't know if the 3.9 takes a different efi unit (they will probably all fit all engines), but even if it was the same physical unit the mappings would be very different. The time spent on a rolling road to retune the efi brain would far outweigh the cost of sourcing a 3.9 efi unit, assuming you knew how. My suggestion is do the guy with the 3.9 a favour and take the efi unit off his hands. But what do I know?? Steve From "John B. Friedman" Sat Nov 30 11:07:15 1996 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 96 11:07:15 -0600 From: "John B. Friedman" Subject: UK 2 carb v/8 owners--FS carb synch tool & Man pages Hello in England. I have a wonderful tool from my 60's MG and Series days for sale, a synchronizer for twin carb set ups, but as I have EFI on my Disco I can no longer use it. This tool is a glass tube with a float and mounted on a rubber gasketed metal base. You set the float to zero and then check the vacuum of first one carb and then the other to get the same degree of vacuum. Good for SU, Solex, Weber &c. I will take 25 pounds for it in English notes if you can find a way to get them here safely and mail it surface for that. Good used 60's condition. I also have all the MPI and TDI looseleaf man pages from the big factory Disco workshop manual for sale, 20.US postpaid.John Friedman From russ burns Thu Nov 30 10:20:01 1995 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:20:01 -0800 From: russ burns Subject: Re: D90 Hi-lift jack stowage If you have the stock bumper and no brush bar, the Hi-lift jack will bolt onto the bumper using the holes for the brush bar. I use a little foam to keep the Hi-lift from scratching things. Russ Burns >I still haven't come up with an external mount for my hi-lift jack. The >jack fits very snugly from front to back along the right side of the rear [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)] >David >'94 D90 Russ Burns 91 R-Rover 94 D-90 From gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Thu Nov 30 10:26:30 1995 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:26:30 -0800 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Santana Trivia Some of the Santana full-length hardtops had curved back corners, with curved corner windows, even though the rear corners of the lower body were still square. The curved corner windows look to me as though they are the same ones used on the pickup cab tops on British Land-Rovers. Some Santanas had one-piece, segmented, multi-function red/amber taillamps. The militar lightweight models (made in long wheelbase too) had square-cut front wings, like the British ones, sort of, but with the wing tops up at the same height as normal rounded Land-Rover wings. The bonnet was the same curved one as on civilian Land-Rovers. The headlamps were in the fronts of the wings but were very small diameter and recessed (but still round). I seem to recall that Santana also may have done some rectangular headlamps on bonneted-control models, as well as on that nifty FC model that another netter mentioned. Some of the late-model Santanas had a type of wheel that I'd love to get my hands on. They looked like normal Series Land-Rover wheels but were slotted (fairly large round slots as I recall). Seems to me that there were about six or seven slots (another trivia question). Wish Land-Rover would have standardized that wheel (in deep off-set 6.5" width, of course). Granville B. Pool, Redwood Valley, Alta California Norte, USA (707)485-7220 Home; (707)463-4265 Work In the midst of the word he was trying to say, In the midst of his laughter and glee, He had softly and suddenly vanished away-- For the Snark _was_ a Boojum, you see. --Lewis Carroll From Dixon Kenner Thu Nov 30 14:20:58 1995 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 14:20:58 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re: Front license plates On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Roger Sinasohn wrote: > In 5 years, never been stopped for anything in the Land > Rover, let alone missing front plates. Before the 109 was safetied, I'd gone by the Quebec MoT and picked up a fist full of temporary plates (about the size of a credit card chit, flimsy paper, good for 3 days, cheap) In theory, you are supposed to put these in the back window. Since I was in wallpaper mode (gather evidence to ram the 109 through the safety despite its fitness (it did pass BTW, whether it deserved to is another matter we won't discuss)) I didn't bother to use any of these. I just threw then under the seat, in the back, generally where ever they landed. I just drove the 109 on its 1974 plates. One day while getting in the 109 (backed into a parking spot so you only saw the front end) an RCMP crusier stopped in front of me. I watched him play with his little computer and then roll the window down. He shouted to me that my plates had expired in 1974 (this was 1992). I shouted back I knew that. He looked a bit dumbfounded and then rolled up his window and drove away... :-) Guess he figured this was going to take too much time and he was going on break... From matts@cacilj.caciasl.com (Matt Snyder) Thu Nov 30 12:25:47 1995 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:25:47 -0800 From: matts@cacilj.caciasl.com (Matt Snyder) Subject: compressed air source Has anyone had any success using an overpressurized spare tire as a reservoir, suitable for getting tires up to passable road pressure after an offroad trip? I generally only need enough air to go from 22 psi to 28 psi in four tires. I wouldn't think that would take much, but I find that if I inflate my spare to 50 psi, that's barely enough to pressurize the air hose to 30 psi. I'm tempted to take the spare up to 70 psi or more. The tire tells me maximum pressure under heavy load, but of course not maximum pressure under no load. -Matt From "Tom Rowe" Thu Nov 30 14:25:03 1995 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 14:25:03 GMT -0600 From: "Tom Rowe" Subject: Re: Santana Trivia Granville B. Pool writes: Snip > seem to recall that Santana also may have done some rectangular headlamps on > bonneted-control models, as well as on that nifty FC model that another > netter mentioned. Snip Yes, they did have the rectangular headlamps. Way back, Al Tocci at DAP offered rectangular conversion kits for British built Land Rovers. Tom Rowe UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible. From a-robw@microsoft.com Thu Nov 30 13:47:17 1995 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:47:17 -0800 From: a-robw@microsoft.com Subject: RE: compressed air source >Has anyone had any success using an overpressurized spare tire as a >reservoir, suitable for getting tires up to passable road pressure after an >offroad trip? (small snip) >I'm tempted to take the spare up to 70 psi or more. The tire >tells me maximum pressure under heavy load, but of course not maximum >pressure under no load. Some time ago I answered the "Isuzu" challenge and the two Isuzu drivers both did this (i.e. spare to 70 PSI) with the caution that this not be done with an old tire (one of them had suffered a spare-tire explosion). I would be careful in the desert as well. Hoever, both drivers said it was good enough to take the tires from 20 to 25 psi. After that it was time for the compressor. At least 25 PSI should get you to the first service station without much trouble. In my case, I have a little (I mean TINY) [auto] battery powered compressor that will take the tires from 25 PSI to 30 PSI in about 5 min/tire. So between the two methods you could do OK.. From Simon Barclay Fri Dec 01 09:33:00 1995 Date: Fri, 01 Dec 95 09:33:00 EST From: Simon Barclay Subject: RE: compressed air source I wouldn't be keen to inflate a tire to 70psi. Particularly if the tire is sitting in the hot sun on the back of a Disco or in the rear of RR. There have been stories here in Oz of 'over inflated' tires in the rear RR's exploding and they can do an awful lot of damage. Not the sort of thing you need in the middle of Simpson desert where you are two days drive in the dry, from civilisation (if you can call Birdsville civilised) and a doctor!! - assuming you can still drive the thing. I would invest in small hand or foot pump. Cheap and safe and it'll keep you fit as well!! Or there are plenty of electric and engine driven compressors around these days. Simon Barclay Sydney Australia '90 5 sp RR '51 Series 1 (under restoration) ---------- From Gordon Rea 660-0216 (NTO Vanc.) Thu Nov 30 14:56:26 1995 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 14:56:26 -0800 (PST) From: Gordon Rea 660-0216 (NTO Vanc.) Subject: 5 Door 109 Safari For Sale in Vancouver, B.C. (Canada) '69 SIIa 5dr SW, Ford 289 conversion. Rear part of frame needs some work. Brakes, Clutch hydrolics need replacing. Rear springs sagging a bit. Needs exhast , muffler. Rear door frames and Firewall also have some rust. Electrics seem good. Needs a good cleaning as it has been sitting a while. I went and looked at this LRover last week. Needs a little more work than I'm able to do, but would make a good project for someone that can weld. The seller is asking $1500 which seems to me like a good price. He needs the cash for a deisel conversion he's doing on anouther 109. For $2000 of repairs you could have a nice truck. He also has a 24 Volt Warn #8000 winch and fairlead for sale for C$350. His ( Marko ) phone number is 604-731-2980 EMail at mstefano@netinfo.ubc.ca From a-robw@microsoft.com Thu Nov 30 14:58:22 1995 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 14:58:22 -0800 From: a-robw@microsoft.com Subject: HiLift in a Disco...Where? I finally bought a hi-lift jack for the Disco (I'm too cheap/broke to buy the whole winch so I'm doing this piecemeal :-) and for now, I've been just tossing it in the back, just inside the door. It won't fit betwen the fenderwells in the back without taking off the top "eye", but that's an option, I suppose. Since it's very heavy, especially if it should become airborne, I'd like to secure it to the vehicle, preferably inside, so I was wondering where some other Disco drivers have stashed theirs? (OBTW, I don't have an "expedition rack"...yet) Some ideas I've had so far: -- just below the rear seat, secured on the floor in front of the seat (easy to reach, but the rear passengers may object) -- remove or rotate the top "eye" so that it fits behind the rear seat (secure but hard to reach when needed) -- secure in the back of the cargo area where I've just been laying it for now. P.S. to the Disco (or other) owners that don't have one, they are really neat! I put a shakle adapter in the receiver hitch and used it to jack the back of the Disco up, and the Hi-lift was up about 3-feet before the rear wheel's got off the ground. You can really see the "spring" travel that way!! The bad news is there isn't much of a place to jack the front. Don't even try jacking the OEM brush bar (barf!) _____ /|__|_\__(| Bob Watson | | | \ a-robw@microsoft.com |---|___|___\____ Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA | _|= |= |o_ }\ [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}| '95 Beluga Black Discovery \_/ \_/ N7UMU From IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS) Thu Nov 30 18:05:49 1995 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 18:05:49 From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS) Subject: Water, water everywhere... Who designed the door seals on these old SIIA's ? I just finished (can't believe it took so long, my pop riveter is all popped out!) insatalling new "sponge" all round on the trusty '66 109 Diesel. Unfortunately, the front door front seals tend to fold the wrong way when the door closes leaving half the seal hanging out in the breeze. The door seems properly adjusted and there's certainly no adjusting to be done to the seals. Talcum powder helps. Do any of you have some idea of whether the seal will eventually take a "set" and no longer cause so much aerodynamic turbulence ? Also need advice on the roof window seals. Yes, of course there's a big honkin rack in the way. The manual shows a dandy tool for this chore.Right. Any field expedient method that may be conquered by the totally clueless would be appreciated. As long as I have your undivided attention, I need rear springs sometime soon. Any spares out there needing a good home? From "Gerald" Thu Nov 30 20:16:34 1995 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 20:16:34 -0500 From: "Gerald" Subject: Brake squeel in Discos I learned this morning that there is a service bulletin regarding brake squeel in some cars, including my 1996 NAS Disco. Tomorrow I'll learn what difference the service makes. -- Gerald g@ix.netcom.com From "Steven Swiger (LIS)" Thu Nov 30 22:42:43 1995 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 22:42:43 -0500 (EST) From: "Steven Swiger (LIS)" Subject: Warn Winches... WTB: If anyone has a 12 volt Warn for sale, please let me know... I need one, now... thnx in advance steve _________________________________ |_______|_______|_______|_______| "Moose" | ____________ | | \\ '73 III 88" | / | \ | | \\ ________ | | | | | | \\ | | | \______|_____/ |______|_______\\___|________|__ |___________________|_______________|---------------\ | [] [] [] | | 0 |) | |--] | | _| / OOOOO | | OOOOO |__ |_|____I OO o o OO ___|_______________|___ OO o o OO ____| 0 OO o 0 o OO OO o 0 o OO OO o OO "Tread Lightly" OO o OO OOOOO OOOOO Florida Rover Canvas Steve Swiger swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu (813) 874-5391 (813) 253-0905 (Work) From LANDROVER@delphi.com Fri Dec 01 00:28:14 1995 Date: Fri, 01 Dec 1995 00:28:14 -0500 (EST) From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Subject: Re: Messages to LRO-Digest Alan asks... > Can someone enlighten me as to the "accepted" protocol with replying and > commenting to messages on the LRO Digest. ......snip........ > ....... Where the subject matter is of > mutual interest I would be inclined to reply to both the LRO Digest and > the person sending the message directly. Is this the accepted method? - I'm on the "real-time" list. If I respond to a message, the response is sent to the sender and not the digest. I have to CC to lro@team.net to get my response to the list. I guess for the someone on the "digest" it works just the opposite. I would say that if you are sending the reply to the digest, it is not necessary to send a reply to the sender of the original message, since that person is getting a copy via the digest (or real-time list, as the case may be). Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 725-1859 Gloversville NY, 12078 -USA- 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol ("Sidney") 7 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol ("Fern") #:-}> 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol (Parts is Parts) From jeff@purpleshark.com (Jeffrey A. Berg) Fri Dec 1 01:28:01 1995 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 01:28:01 -0500 From: jeff@purpleshark.com (Jeffrey A. Berg) Subject: Re: Water, water everywhere... >To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net >Who designed the door seals on these old SIIA's ? I just finished (can't [SNIP] >Do any of you have some idea of whether the seal will eventually take a "set" >and no longer cause so much aerodynamic turbulence ? They're supposed to settle in eventually so long as you're careful about getting the seal correct when you close the door. Some hot weather helps. Of course my drivers side seal never settled in properly. Maybe I wasn't careful enough with it. Anyhow, if anyone knows a source for the "folded over" type seal material, which I'm told was originally fitted, please let me know. I'm going to redo the seals on my IIa, and would like it to "take" this time. RoverOn! JAB == == Jeffrey A. Berg Purple Shark Media Rowayton, CT jeff@purpleshark.com ================== Love is fine until you taste This melancholy bouillabaisse called letting go Jimmy Buffett == == From jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Thu Nov 30 22:47:48 1995 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 22:47:48 -0800 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Starter "Rebuild" (incl. rover dating) With apologies to Dale whose starter will now sympathetically fail.... In the process of doing a cleaning and brush replacement on the starter tonight I discovered a piece of stiff paper wrapped into the periphery of the interior against the "access" slots on the side. [no it wasn't orange :)] This isn't mentioned in any of the documents/manuals I've seen on the starter. I assume it was intended as an attempt at hindering the "ingress" of water. I've removed it since it was in less than pristine condition and appear to serve no effective purpose (e.g., it wasn't visibly serving to "insulate" wires or prevent contact). However, this did make me wonder, does anyone know of a reason not to seal the unit by using a light amount of gasket silicone or such around the metal ring covering the openings? Maybe someone can confirm or deny an observation. I noticed that under the LUCAS stamped into the housing are the number 09 69. I assume this is a date location that might be peripherally useful to those trying to pin down their rover ages. Am I wrong? Is this common knowledge? Cheers, Jeremy P.S. Does anyone know what the red/rusty scribble LUCAS 6 6 6 on the paper means? :) From "Steve Methley" Fri Dec 1 10:16:45 1995 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 10:16:45 +0000 From: "Steve Methley" Subject: Re: UK 2 carb v/8 owners--FS carb synch tool & Man pages John kindly offers: >...I will take 25 pounds for it in English notes.... Unfortunately these can From howtaw@hg.uleth.ca Sat Dec 02 01:54:53 1995 Date: Sat, 02 Dec 1995 01:54:53 MST From: howtaw@hg.uleth.ca Subject: 3.9L EFI Thanks for the suggestions that I have received on the different means of fueling a 3.5L V8 that was once EFI. Some of you have expresed concern over the operation of the 3.9L with the 3.5L EFI unit. At last report it was running very well and the owner was pleased with the increase in power over the 3.5L unit. If anyone is planning on doing this conversion I would point out the fact that this one was done by the Land Rover dealer in my area. You may wish to research the matter further before you begin to tear out the resident 3.5L lump. In case anyone is wondering where the 3.9L engine come from I'll tell you. Someone with deep pockets put a 5.0L Linchfield engine into a brand new RR. It went strait from the show room to the shop. The 5.0L is major $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. I can only dream. Andrew Howton From OscarM Sat Dec 02 19:54:39 1995 Date: Sat, 02 Dec 1995 19:54:39 +0800 From: OscarM Subject: 12/2 digest missing.... Someone make my weekend.... Received up to #4 of 30, would appreciate anyone forwarding the complete 12/2 digest to me. Thanks all. Oscar omont@mnl.sequel.net 75247.2423@compuserve.com From Benjamin Allan Smith Sat Dec 02 05:18:54 1995 Date: Sat, 02 Dec 1995 05:18:54 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Subject: FAQ ftp site A few folks have been asking if there was an ASCII version of the FAQ that could be ftp'd. Up until now, I had to say no. Now I can say yes. ftp://owens.ridgecrest.ca.us/pub/users/bens/FAQ/ In that directory are 8 files: LR_FAQ.top, LR_FAQ.intro, LR_FAQ.1, LR_FAQ.2, LR_FAQ.3, LR_FAQ.4, LR_FAQ.5, LR_FAQ.6. They correspond to the parts of the FAQ as found on the web page. The Web page will allways have the most current version as I make little updates every few days (mostly on club and vendor information). I plan on making an ASCII version about once a quarter. Also if you have any club or vendor information that I don't have, please email Dixon or myself. Ben ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88 Science Applications International Corporation Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake "...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. He'd drive it up the Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..." --Kevin Archie From OscarM Sat Dec 02 21:38:26 1995 Date: Sat, 02 Dec 1995 21:38:26 +0800 From: OscarM Subject: Sightings...Rover jpgs http://www.indirect.com/www/a4x4/images/series3.jpg http://www.indirect.com/www/a4x4/images/rangy1.jpg http://www.indirect.com/www/a4x4/images/rangy2.jpg omont@mnl.sequel.net 75247.2423@compuserve.com From BobandSueB@aol.com Sat Dec 2 10:30:47 1995 Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 10:30:47 -0500 From: BobandSueB@aol.com Subject: Any Santanas in US ? >I. As to Steve's query >about Santana LRs in the US, I knew of one 109" for sale in western >Mass. >last year. It sounded great on paper, but seemed expensive. Also, I >believe a fellow named Bill in Cincinnati has one that Jeff wrote up in >the RN newsletter last year. >Frank Twarog >Burlington, VT From Roger Sinasohn Sat Dec 2 10:29:23 1995 Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 10:29:23 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Uncle Roger scores big (GPS) and Granny was right! I am now a proud owner of a only-slightly-less-common-than-dormobiles, ever-popular Garmin GPS45! How did a poor (and I mean broke) schmuck like me finally get my hands on a GPS, after depositing huge amounts of drool in various West Marine stores, and lusting after them for years? Well, all it takes is a totally cool brother. Yep, Stan (the one I've gotten hooked on rovers) got me one for my birthday. My roommate Craig coughed up the mounting bracket, cigarette lighter adapter, and PC software to go with it. (And to be fair, the excessive gift certificate to Tower Records (to replace the 22 CD's stolen from my desk at work), TriBond game, truffles, and (coolest of all) videos of The Wrong Trousers and A Grand Day Out(? I forget the name but it's still cool) that Rachel got me was great too.) Anyway, as Granville said at the Mendocino run, the best way to spend one's 50th birthday is in the company of other LR owners. Went to lunch with a bunch of the local (Silicon Valley) LR folks (lotsa discos, a D90, 2 109's, and Bill Growl's 88" Elphino) and even had a good beer (don't tell HP!) to go with my Buffalo Burger. Then, headed out to Scotty's to play some poker, and was completely surprised by the arrival of my roommate along with my sister. (Rachel and Stan and I had gone out together.) Pizza, beer, Cake, and a gift of one of only two in existance LROA wall clocks rounded out the evening. And to boot, I even won at Poker! Wow! So anyway, anyone know of cool GPS software I should get? Thanks everyone! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From Roger Sinasohn Sat Dec 2 10:29:14 1995 Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 10:29:14 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: Models > Does anybody know of a source of glue-together type Land-Rover models? I > Found 1 thru Triple C in Pennsylvania 717=854=4081 . Still looking for > other sources... Give Hobby Heaven a call. I was at my cousin's (rock star, race car builder, etc.) place for thanksgiving and took a look at one of their list of model car kits. I did see one Land Rover kit listed (Monogram 2279 -- 1981 Land Rover) at $25. (These are older kits, I think.) They also had a couple of Range Rovers. Complete info is: Hobby Heaven P.O. Box 3229 Grand Rapids, MI 49501 1-616-453-1094 Enjoy! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From Wdcockey@aol.com Sat Dec 2 17:23:50 1995 Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 17:23:50 -0500 From: Wdcockey@aol.com Subject: Models & Sources With Christmas approaching some Land Rover models and US sources: 109 Ser III Station Wagon? (have not seen) Heller 1/43 plastic kit: TC $7.95 RR 4 door? (have not seen) Aoshima 1/24 plastic kit: TC $39.00 D90 Hardtop, Britains 1/32: TC $24.95, AB $24.95 D90 Hardtop w/ trailer, Britain1/32: RN $30.00 Discovery, Britains 1/32: RN $22.50 Discovery (Police), Britains 1/32: TC $24.95, RN $25.00, AB $19.95 Discovery (Rally), Britains 1/32: RN $25.00 Range Rover, (police), Matchbox: TC $15.00 Range Rover, Solido 1/43: TC $18.00 109 Station Wag. Made in Germany, plastic assembled, great for kids: TC $19.95, AB $16.95 AB = Atlantic British 1-800-533-2210 RN = Rovers North 1-802-879-0032 TC = Triple C 1-717-854-4081 For a very complete selection of LR models in Wales: 01678 520820 Direct dial from US 011-44-1678-520820 (rem. 5 hrs ahead of EST) Note: I have no connection with any of the above. David Cockey 1960 88 II SW 1960 88 II PU From Wdcockey@aol.com Sat Dec 2 17:23:43 1995 Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 17:23:43 -0500 From: Wdcockey@aol.com Subject: Series II Trivia The Series II LR was introduced in 1958 and the Series I became the Series I. At the end of 1961 the Series IIA replaced the Series II. What are 4 standard features and 1 option which differentiate a 1958-60 Series II from the later Series IIA, and are can be seen without lifting the hood (bonnet)? David Cockey 1960 88 II SW 1960 88 II PU From Duncan Brown Sat Dec 02 21:31:52 1995 Date: Sat, 02 Dec 1995 21:31:52 -0500 (EST) From: Duncan Brown Subject: Re: Series II trivia > What are 4 standard features and 1 option which differentiate a 1958-60 > Series II from the later Series IIA, and are can be seen without lifting the > hood (bonnet)? Gee, this is pretty embarassing, since my 88 is a SII and I don't know the answer right off the top of my head! I'll name everything I can think of off the top of my head: -- Funky valence panel between the front bumper and grill. Two pieces riveted together that are flatter and longer than the one I see on other Rovers. -- "Pendant" tie rod ends, i.e. the nut's on top and they hang down below the part they attach to. -- My headlights seem different than everyone else's; they stick out farther, with bigger and rounder chrome rims (I'm starting to reach here...) -- Horn button is on a stalk attached to the steering column, not in the center of the wheel. -- If it still has the original exhaust system, you can see it coming into the left wheel well and travelling under the floorboard to go under the vehicle. -- Would the optional one be the door locks? They perform their locking on the *outside* of the vehicle, with a pawl catching onto a post inside the handle pocket; the lock is attached to the handle itself. Just for good measure, mine has another feature only ever seen on SII's, and only a small number of them sent to Canada (where mine came from): one-piece doors! Kinda like the rear 2 doors of a 109 SW. One continuous piece, with the galvanized "capping" just a piece bolted to the outside, and little drain tubes coming down from the window tracks and poking out through the door skin. Duncan, whose VA license plate reads "SERIES 2" From Benjamin Allan Smith Sat Dec 02 19:08:33 1995 Date: Sat, 02 Dec 1995 19:08:33 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Subject: Re: Series II Trivia In message <199512022224.RAA16751@butler.uk.stratus.com>you wrote: > The Series II LR was introduced in 1958 and the Series I became the Series I. > At the end of 1961 the Series IIA replaced the Series II. [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] > Series II from the later Series IIA, and are can be seen without lifting the > hood (bonnet)? I'll take a crack at this one. But first what did you mean by "later Series IIA"? Does later mean just that the SIIA was made after the SII, or are you differentiating between SIIs and SIIAs made after, say, 1968 when the headlights moved from the breakfast to the wings? I'll assume that you are asking the difference between the SII and early SIIAs 1.The Serial number of the SIIA has a suffix letter starting with an "A", look on the right front spring horn. 2.The Series IIA introduced the 2.25L diesel. A badge nenoting this is found on the grill, normally the lower left courner of the grill (as you face the rever from the front) 3.The steering arms (connecting the tie rod to the swivel balls) was relocated from attatching to the top of the swivel ball to attaching to the bottom of the swivel ball. 4.In Oct 1963 the headlamps were changed to a flat lenses from a convex lens design used in all previous Land From PZavaletta@aol.com Sun Dec 3 06:50:10 1995 Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 06:50:10 -0500 From: PZavaletta@aol.com Subject: How To Fix Squeaky Steering Wheel? I have a '95 Range Rover County Classic with the ole squeaky steering wheel. My dealer has lubricated it once, then ordered the part fix for it, but it is on back-order. If there is a way that I can fix it myself, please respond with instructions as to where to lubricate. I remember the dealer saying something about a bushing near the firewall, but do I get to it from inside, under the wheel, or from under the hood? Also, what do I lubricate it with, pending arrival of the part fix? Thanks in advance Peter M. Zavaletta '95 White Range Rover County Classic (Winston) From Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus 3 95 Dec EST 1909 Date: 3 Dec 95 9:05:08 EST From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus Subject: Re: Series II trivia Re: Pendant steering parts and door locks on a Series II: DUnno 'bout those, as my '64 SIIa has them also. Of course, I also have that other epitome o convenience - a Dipstick in the transmission for checking oil.....8*) Alan From landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice) Sun Dec 3 07:09:05 1995 Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 07:09:05 -0500 From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice) Subject: Re: Christmas Decorations For Your Rover? John has the Christmas spirit... >Well, I just finished decorating the Rover for Christmas. 200 white lights (and plenty of duct tape) outlining the bonnet, wings, windscreen, rear door and roof, powered by a little 12VDC-to-120VAC inverter. Looks great at night, hideous in the day. .........snip......... >So I started wondering -- does anyone else decorates their Rover for the holidays? - A few years ago, a lawyer here in town had two 109's. He was driving one around without the proper registration until stopped by the local constabulary. They gleefully wrote a number of summonses - very embarrassing since he was the city attorney at the time. He took it all in stride, parked the 109 on his front lawn, adorned it with numerous Christmas lights and wrapped it with the yellow vinyl tape that reads "Police Line - Do Not Cross"!!! A picture of it made it to the local newspaper. Cheers Mike Loiodice 166 W. Fulton St. 1965 SerIIa 88 Petrol ('Sydney') Gloversville 1972 SerIII 88 Petrol ('Fern') NY 12078 (USA) 7 1971 SerIIa 88 Petrol (Parts is Parts) #:-}> From landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice) Sun Dec 3 07:09:05 1995 Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 07:09:05 -0500 From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice) Subject: Re: Models & Sources David Cockey lists a few models... > >With Christmas approaching some Land Rover models and US sources: ......snip...... >AB = Atlantic British 1-800-533-2210 >RN = Rovers North 1-802-879-0032 >TC = Triple C 1-717-854-4081 - Triple C also has Land Rover books and Video Tapes. They also have a number of other plastic and metal British car models... Cheers Mike Loiodice 166 W. Fulton St. 1965 SerIIa 88 Petrol ('Sydney') Gloversville 1972 SerIII 88 Petrol ('Fern') NY 12078 (USA) 7 1971 SerIIa 88 Petrol (Parts is Parts) #:-}> From Inkornoink@aol.com Sun Dec 3 10:15:06 1995 Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 10:15:06 -0500 From: Inkornoink@aol.com Subject: Re: Christmas Decorations For Your Rover? John Liu wrote" "....So I started wondering -- does anyone else decorates their Rover for the holidays?" Yes. But not to the Grizzwald extent that you've gone to -- way to go with the family truckster! A very - Martha Stewart - esque wreath & bow dress my "breakfast" quite nicely. Created and put their by my very own live-in Martha Stewart - wanna be (and wife). Happy Holidays! Hank 1990 RR c (Moby) From BobandSueB@aol.com Sun Dec 3 11:47:42 1995 Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 11:47:42 -0500 From: BobandSueB@aol.com Subject: Re: S II to S IIA differences In a message dated 95-12-03 03:50:15 EST, you write: >Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 17:23:43 -0500 >Subject: Series II Trivia >The Series II LR was introduced in 1958 and the Series I became the Series I. >At the end of 1961 the Series IIA replaced the Series II. >What are 4 standard features and 1 option which differentiate a 1958-60 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)] >1960 88” II SW >1960 88” II PU HI, Here is maybe two more. The SII had different rear light lenses with little (propeller?) blades. Also the rear corners had prongs apparently for the soft top tie downs. Bob Bernard From jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Sun Dec 3 08:48:25 1995 Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 08:48:25 -0800 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Re: SII vs SIIA Well here's 1: Solid, 1 piece front doors, at least on the 109s. I've got a couple of these from a 1959/60 wreck. The doors have a number of other different features associated with this major change. Are we including the 109s/107s? Cheers, Jeremy From Grahame.Harden@BRI.NRC.CA Sun Dec 3 12:09:12 1995 Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 12:09:12 -0500 From: Grahame.Harden@BRI.NRC.CA Subject: Diesel... In reply to Bill Adams...... Glow plugs test out fine,I leave them on for at least a minute and sometimes more. The key to getting the engine started is RPMs. If it cranks fast, it starts fast (this holds true for the Volvo marine diesel in my sailboat). Therefore I think I need MORE POWER-ERGHH! Anybody have a solution to this? I wonder if two 12v batteries in parallel would work or do I simply need to get two ultra robust 6v units. HMMM. ...There is something not quite right here, and cranking it over cures the symptom not the cause. To put it into perspective, I ran a SIII diesel on a more than daily basis, through several north Finnish winters. With no engine pre-heat, no cover, the engine *always* fired the first piston stroke! This was at -30C, 10/30W in the sump, 70% glycol in the cooling system. The Finns have some superb diesel fuel up there, which may well help. But anyway... certainly the battery was a key feature, since I had problems until I ditched the 2 yr old Exide job and bolted in a local 105 AH 12V unit. It seemed as though the problem was the heat generated by the plugs, rather than cranking speed with the old battery. It usually took a while for the air to clear... you couldn't breath for the unburnt diesel fumes spewing out the pipe. The Finns wouldn't park next to the exhaust side, pretty major cleaning job if they did.... The only problem was the oil drag on the transmission and the lack of general heat production from the fearsome standard power unit. Anyhow, I expect you've checked the normal things like pump timing, starter motor/electrics, etc. etc., so yep, why not ditch the batteries and bolt in a new 12V unit. The things are consumables. (Like modern cars!) Grahame From LANDROVER@delphi.com Sun Dec 03 12:26:40 1995 Date: Sun, 03 Dec 1995 12:26:40 -0500 (EST) From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Subject: Address Change Howdy folks.. Gloversville is no longer a dirt road off the Information Superhighway! A local company is providing service via a local phone call - so - I'm switching Internet service providers and I'll have a new E-Mail address. My new address is landrvr@blacdisc.com I'll be dropping the Delphi address probably by the end of December, unless I have a lot of mail problems with the new provider. Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 725-1859 Gloversville NY, 12078 -USA- 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol ("Sidney") 7 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol ("Fern") #:-}> 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol (Parts is Parts) NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS --- landrvr@blacdisc.com From IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS) Sun Dec 03 15:34:16 1995 Date: Sun, 03 Dec 1995 15:34:16 From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS) Subject: All my troubles are Rover... Embarrassment, Ignominy, Expense !! Pulling away from a green light last night something went BANG in the driveline and the old 109 is now so much dead weight. I pushed it off to the side of the road(quite hair raising in suburban D.C. saturday night traffic) and called in a roll-off. Symptom A: no pwer to the driving wheels. Symptom B: Driveshaft does not spin with gearbox engaged (both front and rear) Symptom C: gearbox and overdrive unit shift smoothly through all gears. I'm going to survey the damage tomorrow and see just how bad it is. Any ideas and suggestions from the gallery before I get my hands dirty would be graciously recieved. From IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS) Sun Dec 03 15:40:48 1995 Date: Sun, 03 Dec 1995 15:40:48 From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS) Subject: Re: Christmas Decorations For Your Rover? >X-State: 3 >X-Total-length: 1731 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 38 lines)] > apartment this year, I guess I just needed something else to light up. >So I started wondering -- does anyone else decorates their Rover for the > holidays? Sarah and I did a holiday decorating job on the 109 s2a. We ran multicolored lights all round and on the rack and set up the camera for a portrait. Let me tell you, the photo came out great and will be our greeting card this year. For a copy, send me an e-mail! From "John Y. Liu" Sun Dec 03 14:32:07 1995 Date: Sun, 03 Dec 1995 14:32:07 -0800 From: "John Y. Liu" Subject: Series I Sold I am advised that the Series I that I wrote about has been sold for $1,000. 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When he sets you up as a new member, he himself calls you personally on the phone to explain how he works his deal, or sometimes he has one of his assistants call. He is kind of quirky sometimes - he insists on setting up new members by phone so he can say hi to everyone (I sure wouldn't want to have his phone bills!), but you can place future orders (after your first order) via E-mail. He has some really friendly young ladies working for him, who seem to know just as much as he does about this magazine stuff. If you live overseas, he will even call you there, as long as you are interested, but I think he still makes all his overseas calls on the weekends, I guess cause the long distance rates are cheaper then. He only likes to take new members from referrals from satisfied existing members and he does virtually no advertising. When I got set-up, they had a 2-3 week waiting list for new members to be called back so that they could join up. (Once you are an existing member, they help you immediately when you call. ) I think they are able to get back to prospective new members the same day or within a few days now, as they have increased their staff. I am not sure about this.........but if you email the above form to them, that is the way to get started! They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that they sell. They then send you email that outlines how his club works and the list of free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of what he sells; and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly, no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally and answer all your questions. Once you get in, you'll love them. I do. Sincerely, Karen Stern ps. please forward a copy of this message to all your friends on the net who you think might be interested in it! It is a great deal! If you join and then they join after you, you will earn a free 1 yr. subscription for each new person you get to join after you join! If you exceed 25 referrals, they let you use them to give away as gifts, for Christmas, Chanukah or any other occasion. Please be kind enough to mention my name when you join. I will then get a free magazine for a year for referring you. Thank you. From Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus 4 95 Dec EST 1907 Date: 4 Dec 95 7:58:41 EST From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus Subject: Who was the idiot behind the magazine subscriptions? I have a 5 From Easton Trevor Mon Dec 04 08:06:00 1995 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 95 08:06:00 EST From: Easton Trevor Subject: Santanas in US While in Virginia for the Mid Atlantic I met a house painter who used to own a Santana. He said this was imported by a Mr Bill Dickey, a scottish refugee!, and was now back with said Mr Dickey. Anyone know of its whereabouts? Trevor Easton From Stuart Williams Mon Dec 04 08:25:00 1995 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 95 08:25:00 EST From: Stuart Williams Subject: Squeaky Wheel Fix (Short Term) >> From: PZavaletta@aol.com >> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 06:50:10 -0500 >> Subject: How To Fix Squeaky Steering Wheel? Pending a trip to our dealer for the 'official' corrective action, I fixed the squeaky wheel on my '95 Disco as follows : 1) From under the hood, locate the opening in the firewall where the steering column passes through. There will be a black rubber fitting in the opening. 2) Use a cartridge-style grease gun to apply a bead of grease into the right and left sides of the narrow gap between the firewall grommet and the steering column itself. There is a recess all around the column that extends to the actual point of contact with the steering column. 3) Take a small paintbrush (I used an old 1" wide brush) and use it spread the grease around all sides of the column to ensure coverage where it's needed. That's it! Five minutes maximum. Four weeks later and I'm still squeak-free, and mine was getting to be very insistent before 'the fix', especially on colder mornings. I had already tried greasing from the driver's side of the firewall but was unsuccessful, most likely due to a steel bracket and other obstructions that were in the way. As to type of grease, I used marine-grade lithium grease that I had on hand for the steering mechanism on our sailboat. (BTW, 'sailboat' is Latin for "fiberglass-lined hole in the water into which you pour money", so 'Rover' must be a terra firma derivative!) The results have been very satisfactory; in fact the steering feels notably smoother which would seem to indicate that there was friction even when there weren't annoying squeaks ... YMMV! Good luck, Stuart Williams '95 Disco V8i "Great White" '85 LandCruiser "Old Paint" From "Tom Rowe" Mon Dec 4 07:33:06 1995 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 07:33:06 GMT -0600 From: "Tom Rowe" Subject: Re: Diesel Starting Bill Adams asks: Snip > Therefore I think I need MORE POWER-ERGHH! Anybody have a solution to this? > I wonder if two 12v batteries in parallel would work or do I simply need to > get two ultra robust 6v units. HMMM. Get the two biggest 12v batteries that will fit. If you want to get fanatical about it one could be a deep cycle hooked only to your glow plugs and the other for cranking the starter, but I don't think that's really needed. Just get high reserve capacity and the highest cca you can. since it's a LR you amy want to consider truck batteries since they are designed to handle vibration better. Good luck. cough,cough, hack, hack. Man, where's all this smoke coming from? Tom Rowe UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible. From "Anthony Verriello" 04 1995 Dec GMT 1909 Date: 04 Dec 1995 09:15:09 GMT From: "Anthony Verriello" Subject: NAS D90 Hardtop [This note has been sent to the following InterNet address(es): lro @ Land-Rover.Team.Net] Since I have spoken to a few LRO's who voiced an interest in hearing about my self installation and removal of my D90 hard top I thought I would take an opportunity to answer everyone in one shot in the digest....forgive me if this message does not interest you. I have a '94 NAS D90 that I bought before the hardtop was available. I was the first person to purchase the retrofit kit from the dealership when first imported and subsequently was the first person to discover that they had made no provision for locking and unlocking the rear gate. As far as the price goes, I paid $2500.00 US for mine. I think that this price is high, but it is the only show in town and the D90 is consderably warmer, quiter and more secure with it on. If you have a '94 you should also plan on buying the new lockset for the rear gate so you can open the door from the outside, this adds another $100-$200 US. Also the full safari cage is required if you don't have it...another costly add on. The top is not 100% draft and water tight. When I first had it installed, I let the dealer do it the first time, I was a little unsettled by the rain and drafts comming in. After having re-installed it myself and seeing how it all goes together I can honestly say that it could be made tight, but only if you want permanent seals and dont plan on removing it. Also I would not recommend installing it yourself the first time. Drilling and installing the riv-nuts will most likely not be worth the savings on the installation cost (6-8 hours of labor). Removing it and reinstalling the soft top is very straight foward and can easily be accomplished by two people in a few hours. Installation, the second time, also requires two people and since I just completed this last week let me give a few pointers: 1) Installation takes at least 5 hours!!! I started way too late and ran out of sunlight-really bad move. 2) Do it before it gets cold. Trying to line up all the holes in the various bits is nearly impossible & dangerous when the fiberglass is brittle from the cold. 3) Inventory your hardware first...I was missing some washers and things and it really caused problems. 4) Wires to overhead lights need to go under the top....not in the door jamb, unless you are not attatched to closing the drivers door. Trust me, you dont want to take the top off to remedy this. 5) Be patient...the instructions (yeah I know read LRO's dont need any) says things like 'one person should muscle the windshield into place under the top to make the holes line up as the other person bolts it down!!!' -- not something you want to rush 6) Follow the instructions and dont worry about the extra pieces that the instructions dont mention...obviously not important. All in all, I like the hardtop, dont mind taking it off, but wouldnt want to install it more than once a year. One person asked me if it could be removed for a day and reinstalled. NO WAY. Even if you didnt mind wasting half the day to do it, the top would not survive the repeated removal/installations. If anyone in the NY area needs to have their top installed/removed I am available...however I will need to charge twice the hourly rate of the dealership because I would simply bring it to them anyway and I need to make some money on the deal ;~)). I do offer free advice if anyone would like to contact me by email with questions. verriello_anthony@jpmorgan.com +-+--+-@ |_|_/|__\__ | _ |' |_ |} (Dagwood...named for his voracious appetite, =(_)=+==(_)' petrol not sandwiches) NAS '94 black D90 (happiness is pulling a jeep out of a hole) Pre-requisite anal disclaimer to follow::: The views and opinions expressed here are solely the views of myself and do not imply any opinion or view of my employer. From "Bill Skidmore" 4 1995 Dec -0500 1909 Date: 4 Dec 1995 09:25:31 -0500 From: "Bill Skidmore" Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest Sandy; As you may have noticed, there have been a number of mentions of this abomination to enable me to point the finger towards the source. Hey, Major; Any chance of reconstituting the balance of that list and retransmitting it to the list members? ------ From: Owner-LRO@uk.stratus.com, Mon, Dec 4, 1995 ------ From "Tom Rowe" Mon Dec 4 08:33:41 1995 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 08:33:41 GMT -0600 From: "Tom Rowe" Subject: Re: Who was the idiot behind the magazine subscriptions? I have Alan asks: > Who was the idiot behind the magazine subscriptions? I have a 5 As usual, the return address is invalid; however, one of them is a real host, Otego University in New Zealand, but the user is not listed in their gopher directory. I have e-mailed someone at the univeristy to try and find the address of the person to whom I can send the message information. Not that I think it will do any good. Most likely they've spoofed the return address. E-mail me directly if you want info I get, if any. Tom Rowe UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible. From "christian (c.j.) szpilfogel" Mon Dec 4 09:29:00 1995 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 09:29:00 -0500 From: "christian (c.j.) szpilfogel" Subject: Hi-Lift and Disco Bob Watson writes... >neat! I put a shakle adapter in the receiver hitch and used it to jack the >back of the Disco up, and the Hi-lift was up about 3-feet before the rear >wheel's got off the ground. This seems to be a problem. One of the ways I used to use the Hi-lift on an old CJ was to raise the wheels stuck in the mud and push the vehicle off of the jack and onto a non-hole. The largest Hi-lift I've seen is a 4' so 1 foot of clearance doesn't look like it leaves enough room to pull my old trick. Cheers, -Christian -------------- Christian Szpilfogel '95 Discovery Ottawa, Ontario, Canada From "christian (c.j.) szpilfogel" Mon Dec 4 09:29:00 1995 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 09:29:00 -0500 From: "christian (c.j.) szpilfogel" Subject: Hi-Lift and Disco Bob Watson writes... >neat! I put a shakle adapter in the receiver hitch and used it to jack the >back of the Disco up, and the Hi-lift was up about 3-feet before the rear >wheel's got off the ground. This seems to be a problem. One of the ways I used to use the Hi-lift on an old CJ was to raise the wheels stuck in the mud and push the vehicle off of the jack and onto a non-hole. The largest Hi-lift I've seen is a 4' so 1 foot of clearance doesn't look like it leaves enough room to pull my old trick. Cheers, -Christian -------------- Christian Szpilfogel '95 Discovery Ottawa, Ontario, Canada From GElam30092@aol.com Mon Dec 4 10:11:30 1995 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 10:11:30 -0500 From: GElam30092@aol.com Subject: Discovery racks There are several ads. for racks (full-length, half-length) for the Discovery in the LRO and LRW. Has anyone purchased an after-market product? What is the carrying capacity of the your rack on the Discovery? More than the 150 lb +/- recommended? BTW: I see *tons* of stuff on top of the Camel Trophy Discoveries. I'm assuming that their racks are braced against the internal roll cages to provide more carrying strength? Can anyone in the UK with an older CT vehicle verify? Gerry "He's ain't heavy... he's my brother" Elam From Ross Leidy Mon Dec 04 10:14:17 1995 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 95 10:14:17 0500 From: Ross Leidy Subject: Spotted 95 NAS D90SW Dropped my D90 off at the dealer today for the 2nd in anticipated series of warranty service visits. They had just received their first D90SW delivered over the weekend--alpine white, very nice. Didn't have the time to stop and drool, but I hope to go back later to check it out (if it hasn't been sold by then). Now that Winter is setting-in here in N.E. Ohio, that hardtop keeps looking better and better. For now, I'm flappin' in the breeze. ______________________________________________________ Ross Leidy (ross@secant.com) Senior Software Engineer Secant Technologies, Inc. 95 NAS D90 #3032 From Peter Kutschera Mon Dec 4 16:30:18 1995 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 16:30:18 +0100 From: Peter Kutschera Subject: Re: Christmas Decorations For Your Rover? Hello! John Y. Liu wrote: :) Well, I just finished decorating the Rover for Christmas. 200 white lights ..... :) Looks great at night, ... Can you post an image? Thanks, Peter Signature: http://zditr1.arcs.ac.at/~peter Landrover: http://zditr1.arcs.ac.at/~peter/LR From Mr Ian Stuart Mon Dec 4 15:49:00 1995 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 15:49:00 +0000 From: Mr Ian Stuart Subject: Re: Hi-Lift and Disco On 4 Dec 95, christian (c.j.) szpilfogel wrote: > The largest Hi-lift I've seen is a 4' so 1 foot of clearance doesn't look > like it leaves enough room to pull my old trick. I've got a 5' in the back of my landy - gives you 2' of lift :-) (more likly, it gives you 1' of lift & sinks the baseplate 1' into the mud!) ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer) +44 31 650 6205 Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. or From OscarM Tue Dec 05 00:01:12 1995 Date: Tue, 05 Dec 1995 00:01:12 +0800 From: OscarM Subject: Posting upcoming events Came across a web page, http://www.indirect.com/www/a4x4/4x4clubs.html, which appears to welcome postings of upcoming club events. For your info. omont@mnl.sequel.net 75247.2423@compuserve.com From jeff@purpleshark.com (Jeffrey A. Berg) Mon Dec 4 11:26:14 1995 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 11:26:14 -0500 From: jeff@purpleshark.com (Jeffrey A. Berg) Subject: Re: Water, water everywhere... Whoops, looks like a made a little mistake in my query when I responded to this thread the first time. To set the record straight, I DO have "folded over" weather stripping on my IIa. It's installed with the opening in the rubber facing the opening of the doorway, and everything is fine except for the upper portion of the drivers door, where i's refused to settle in despite the constant use of tape to hold it in place. What I meant to ask was this: It is my understanding that the original door seal was made of a full round tube, not the current "half tube" (for lack of a better description) style. Can anyone confirm, or deny this? If so, does anybody know of an alternative material that's more like what I'm told was originally fitted? This is a small problem, but I'd really like to get it straightened out and I'd rather not redo the job with the same stuff if I'm just going to have the same problem. Thanks, RoverOn! JAB == == Jeffrey A. Berg Purple Shark Media Rowayton, CT jeff@purpleshark.com ================== My garden is full of papayas and mangos. My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos. Taste for the good life, I can see it no other way. --Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version) == == From "Bobeck, David R." Mon Dec 04 11:43:45 1995 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 95 11:43:45 EST From: "Bobeck, David R." Subject: Christmas Lights, Frames, Steering Relay Well, being Jewish, I wouldn't likely use christmas lights, but I am looking for a Menorah shaped aerial if anybody,s got one... In the spirit of the season however, I did help my roomate, who's Rover is languishing, stripped bare of its hydraulics, to acquire a Christmas Tree and a load of firewood. I'm sure the Rover was quite happy to be engaged in such family oriented work... the back was loaded to the hilt (tilt?, nah, hardtop.) with oak and handled it with nary a groan or grind. In fact the ride actually felt smoother! On another note, picked up a used frame on Saturday, took it to its temporary home and stripped it of all its various pieces, i.e steering relay, spring bushings(burning them out was rather neat, sort of like those "snakes" you get as a kid, just way more toxic), bump stops, brake lines, etc,. Had to whack the hell out of the relay to get it out, so I guess I need a new one. Thought about getting it rebuilt but apparently it's not worth it with BM versions going for $125 US. Also noticed one front horn has been hit and is tweaked a little towards the inside of the frame. THought about using my HI-lift to try to bend it back, any ideas? Should I not bother? Also planning to galvanise, so any tips on that are welcome and appreciated. Thanks for listening. Dave Bobeck 72 SIII "Green Car" From jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben) Mon Dec 4 11:49:25 1995 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 95 11:49:25 EST From: jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben) Subject: Haynes FS and a SIIa encounter 1. the SI-II-IIa Haynes repair manual, new - $18 . 2. Driving off the beach after a windsurfing session in a New Jersey island town of Seaside, saw a "perfect" SIIa pull up to a liquor store. I pulled up behind him, jumped out of the F*rd, and yelled out something about having a Landie myself. The old man didn't slow down, just said something like "yeah?" and went in to the store. So I had time to look over the Landie. Obviously, just came off the beach. Everything, inluding tires, looked of original vintage. Very well beat, undistinguishable color paint, looked like a daily fishing/liquor store driver. 109 ragtop with 4 doors? Instead of the "genuine" ragtop, an adapted blue biminy top on marine stainless tubing covered just the front seats and a couple of feet behind them. Not at all a weather proof design, barely enough to slow rain and winter air from coming in. The old man came out, holding a bottle with a bag over it. Now he was willing to talk, but only long enough to tell me that this WAS a SW, but he cut the rear tops off, and made the "biminy" ragtop himself. "The hardtops are too stuffy", he said. Tough dude! (I bet the *real* reason was that he was getting too much interference with his mobile phone :) - sorry, couldn't resist. Let me know if you want the manual. Thanks Jan From "Bobeck, David R." Mon Dec 04 11:56:58 1995 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 95 11:56:58 EST From: "Bobeck, David R." Subject: Christmas Camouflage I was watching a show on PBS the other day, about modern camouflage techniques. One involved a LAnd-Rover 110 driving behind a cloud of smoke (must have been a diesel) which you could not see through. The next shot was the same image seen through an infrared camera, which was able to easily see right through the smoke (could be handy to have one of those onboard.) Another technique was for obscuring a dark object against a light background, by covering it with bright lights. Worked quite well, in fact it started on WWII bombers, so that the U-boat captains couldn't see 'em until it was too late. Maybe something similar could be achieved by the use of multitudes of Christmas lights, although they'd have to be white and not blinking... Just a thought Dave "too much spare time" Bobeck From jeff@purpleshark.com (Jeffrey A. Berg) Mon Dec 4 12:05:43 1995 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 12:05:43 -0500 From: jeff@purpleshark.com (Jeffrey A. Berg) Subject: Jack All (Hi-lift) accessories? Here's a question for the experienced offroad contingent. This will become crucial to me this summer as a friend has offered me the use of his Vermont property, an old trappers cabin, for camping, fishing, and as a base of operations for some trail exploration. Getting to the property involves crossing a (hopefully low) river. What was the first thing he bought after the property? A new LWB Series II Land-Rover of course. He had a winch and was forced to use it to get up the muddy bank a couple of times. I'm still hoping to avoid such a purchase, at least for the time being. (I may decide to get a good come-along though.) At the Mid Atlantic Rally I bought myself a 48" Jackall 8000 "hi-lift" jack. In addition to allowing me to change a tire, I'd like to have the necessary hardware to use the thing as an emergency "winch" should the need arise. I already have a 25' nylon tow strap that should at least serve as a tree strap. Now I want to fully outfit the vehicle though, as it looks like it may get some serious use. I'd really like to know what people carry in their offroad kits in terms of rope, chain, blocks, shackles, etc. Please be specific in terms of sizes, quantity, grades, materials, etc. Christmas is coming, and your list may be printed out and submitted to Santa, who will probably just hand it directly to the guy at Ace Industrial Hardware. (Mom likes Lou, he doesn't talk down to her.) Also, am I correct that the Jackall needs an attachment before it can be used for pulling? Is there a guide to the various uses for Jackall/Hi-Lift jacks? Ideally, I'd like to lay out a few problems in my driveway before trying to rig something in the middle of a river. Thanks for the input. I think it will be interesting to see what various people consider necessary. And while we're talking about it, why limit ourself to pushing/pulling/lifting. Let's go all the way and talk about what makes an all-around well equipped Rover. RoverOn! JAB == == Jeffrey A. Berg Purple Shark Media Rowayton, CT jeff@purpleshark.com ================== My garden is full of papayas and mangos. My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos. Taste for the good life, I can see it no other way. --Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version) == == From Mr Ian Stuart Mon Dec 4 15:49:00 1995 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 15:49:00 +0000 From: Mr Ian Stuart Subject: Re: Hi-Lift and Disco On 4 Dec 95, christian (c.j.) szpilfogel wrote: > The largest Hi-lift I've seen is a 4' so 1 foot of clearance doesn't look > like it leaves enough room to pull my old trick. I've got a 5' in the back of my landy - gives you 2' of lift :-) (more likly, it gives you 1' of lift & sinks the baseplate 1' into the mud!) ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer) +44 31 650 6205 Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. or From RICHARD_COLEMAN@fmso.navy.mil (RICHARD COLEMAN) Mon Dec 4 08:19:33 1995 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 08:19:33 -0500 From: RICHARD_COLEMAN@fmso.navy.mil (RICHARD COLEMAN) Subject: 6 Year Corrosion Warranty Greetings, Before I write a letter to Mr. Hughes at LRNA to bitch about the subject warranty I wanted to probe the wisdom on this digest list. The upper rear hatch on our 90 RR (the money pit)--(I'll explain the name in another post) began to rust in the lower right corner. I scheduled a local body shop to do the work. In the meantime I noticed in the Atlantic British want ads that a gentleman from Cleveland, OH., who was selling his 90 RR that he had both upper and lower tailgates replaced under the 6 Year Corrosion Warranty. I called LRNA Owner Care Dept. to ask what procedure to follow. I explained the problem and was told that the warranty covered THE ENTIRE VEHICLE, to call the LR dealer and schedule an inspection by the factory rep. The inspection done, the dealer advised the warranty would not be honored because it only covered the PAINTED surface of the vehicle. Not satisfied with that I called the rep (it took several days to actually speak to this guy) and he said the same thing even reading part of the warranty to me over the phone. He also advised that he had NEVER allowed a corrosion warranty claim. Even when I mentioned the guy from Cleveland he said maybe his dealer paid for the gate replacement because he was a good customer (yeah right). I'm asking for comments and sugestions on how to handle this situation. Anyone else had any corrosion warranty work done? TIA, Rick 90 RR(the money pit) From STEVE COX Mon Dec 4 12:33:28 1995 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 12:33:28 -0500 (EST) From: STEVE COX Subject: IIA for sale in West Virginia Just a quick note to those in the DC area. Looking for that last miniute stocking stuffer? Alan Biggs is looking to sell his 1965 SIIA 88" hardtop. Good condition, asking $4,500. Call Alan at 304-822-5503, Romney, WV From Keith Morehouse-WB9TIY Mon Dec 04 11:48:57 1995 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 1995 11:48:57 -0800 From: Keith Morehouse-WB9TIY Subject: Headlight Guards for Disco's A recent message mentioned the enormous coat of OEM headlight replacements. I shudder at the thought of one of them taking a direct hit while overtaking some goat-roper's Fo/Chev/Dodge pick-em-up while ascending a rock strewn hill. Does anybody know of a source (preferably NA - but anywhere will do) of polycarbonate, lexan or other roost-proof material HEADLIGHT AND FOGLIGHT COVERS for Disco's (95/96 MY) ?? No tint - no BS - just CLEAR protectors. ---------------------------###----------------------------- PROBE ELECTRONICS 100 Higgins Road, Park Ridge IL 60068 USA Keith J. Morehouse / WB9TIY / Society of Midwest Contesters 708-696-2828 FAX: 708-698-2045 e-mail: blckhole@ripco.com ---------------------------###----------------------------- From matts@cacilj.caciasl.com (Matt Snyder) Mon Dec 4 09:51:57 1995 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 09:51:57 -0800 From: matts@cacilj.caciasl.com (Matt Snyder) Subject: Models & Sources Just received a plastic scale model Range Rover kit (normal civilian style, not police or ambulance), made by Aoshima, from Triple C. I don't have a lot of experience with models, but I find the amount of detail astonishing. The assembly instructions for the undercarriage look like pages from a shop manual (a Japanese shop manual, anyway). -Matt From David Dodell Mon Dec 04 11:14:04 1995 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 1995 11:14:04 -0700 From: David Dodell Subject: Model of Discovery I am looking hard for a Britains Discovery Model in RED. I ordered one from Rover North, it arrived today in Green, and they claim they are all sold out, and are not planning on getting any more in. Rover Atlantic did not have them in stock either. Any other suggestions? David Dodell --- Internet : david@dental.stat.com WWW : http://www.stat.com/~david Telephone: +1-602-860-1121 FAX : +1-602-451-1165 From "Gerald" Mon Dec 4 13:14:43 1995 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 13:14:43 -0500 From: "Gerald" Subject: Re: Discovery racks On 4 Dec 95 at 10:11, GElam30092@aol.com wrote: > There are several ads. for racks (full-length, half-length) for the Discovery > in the LRO and LRW. Has anyone purchased an after-market product? What is > the carrying capacity of the your rack on the Discovery? More than the 150 > lb +/- recommended? . . . . I asked about this a while back. Part of the issue is stability while driving with extra weight so high up. Don't know how the Camel Trophy vehicles do it. -- Gerald g@ix.netcom.com From DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Mon Dec 04 11:45:19 1995 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 95 11:45:19 MST From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Subject: Results of new cam in the Range Rover. FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 SUBJECT: Results of new cam in the Range Rover. I know there are several Range Rover owners who were eagerly awaiting my completion of the new cam for my '87 RR. Well, here it is: I called several suppliers, British Pacific (BP), and Rovers West, and got some prices on cam and lifters for my RR since I (thought) had a lifter clicking. Then I called Crane Cams in Florida and was told that there were several available. From his description I selected a "mild RV cam" that was to provide more low end torque and possibly better fuel milage. Great! I thought, and at a price less than that of the suppliers. Parts come in, get installed (a GREAT deal of details left out here, but it was quite a job!) I also had the valves ground since I needed to replace a head gasket anyway. Basically, with the exception of main bearings and rings, a "new" engine. Of course, there were the usual surprises along the way, some expected (timing gear and chain worn) some not (A/C fans worn out, one was unplugged, and an A/C hose). We discovered that the "noisy lifter" was actually a combination of a worn out pushrod and rocker, and a "flat" cam lobe. (Not actually "flat" but very noticeably worn down.) Finally back together. Starts with a bit of difficulty, we brake in the cam and test drive. Seems to idle with a bit of a lope, (cool!) but doesn't seem to have any power. Like I have to floor it to even go anywhere. Something was definitely wrong!!! To make a long story short (too late) I resorted to calling Crane Cams technical support number. The guy started asking me about the compression, and lifter pre-load, when he suddenly stops and says "Wait a minute... What was that cam number?" He then tells me that that was for a non-computer vehicle and will not work with the RR. He said that all he could do was to send me out the correct one (charging to my visa card) and allow credit for the wrong one upon it's return. And the correct cam was around $85 more than the other one. Being stuck, I agreed. They rushed it out and it was installed. Now, to test drive. Smooth idle, good. .. performance (mind you, this is at 6000 foot elevation) fair. Not great, but not bad. Pretty much as it was with the old cam. We played with the timing a bit, but it never really made that much difference. I'm still going to experiment with the vacuum advance, switching it from ported vacuum to manifold vacuum to see if that makes any difference. Back in Phoenix (1200 foot level) much better than Flagstaff (6000 foot) but again, pretty much same as stock. While I would definitely say that this is not the final verdict, the preliminary verdict is: No noticeable difference. The RR does run better, but I don't know if it's the valve job, or cam. And the difference that I DO notice is so slight that I would NOT recommend changing to this cam for better performance. Again, this could change, depending on my testing with the vacuum advance. The heroes of my cam ordeal: British Pacific! (Shameless plug: great people, helpful, speedy service, reasonable prices, CALL 1-800-554-4133) They rushed extra parts to me as we came across bad things, provided the head bolt spec's (I have a book now) rushed out the 2nd set of valley pan and timing cover gaskets (to do the cam again). After a very tactful but stern letter to Crane Cams, they called me to inform me that they'll pay for the 2nd set of gaskets needed and the labor for doing the cam the 2nd time. Even though they made the initial error, they made it right as best they were able. I'd recommend them! (Now to dig up all those receipts!) I'll post more on this (cam) as I experiment with it. BTW, I used the RR to tow the 109 back from Flagstaff. On a long mountain hill, the 109 slowed to around 7-15 miles per hour (no speedometer) when towing the RR, and the RR slowed to around 30-35 when towing the 109. But, the RR was loaded with 3 kids myself and a dog, the 109 was loaded with several guns, tools, jack, and a complete turbo V6 Buick engine in the back. Disclaimer: This was my experience. Your "milage" may vary. Thanks for the bandwidth. Please feel free to e-mail of you have any questions. Dave Brown debrown@srp.gov #=======# ________ We make a living by what we get, |__|__|__\___ /__/__|__\___ we make a life by what we give. | _| | |_ |} \_/-\_|__/-\_|} "(_)""""""(_)" (_) (_) Winston Churchill From James Kirkpatrick - INEN/F94 Mon Dec 4 14:08:43 1995 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 14:08:43 -0500 (EST) From: James Kirkpatrick - INEN/F94 Subject: 1970 IIA for Sale If Santa is looking to replace his Sleigh, I've got the toy he needs. I have decided to sell my 1970 IIA, which being a nice poppy red should make a wonderful replacement for Santa. It is a straight forward IIA, it has been invited to be on display for the last two years in the local mall where is ususally stands out amongst a bunch of MGAs and E types. I've owned her for 4 years and driven it daily to work for two of those years. London, Ontario is located about 2 hours north east of Detroit and 2 hours from Buffalo, New York for those of you in the States. Depending on timing and other arrangements we are still looking for a road trip over the Christmas holidays perhaps meeting 1/2 way or more. I'm asking $3000. Canadian and may go lower but I would like to take out the back seats and perhaps trade back the high ratio diffs. If is helps I think that $3000 Cnd is $2160US today. Happy Holidays Jay Kirkpatrick '55 Series I '58 Series II '70 Series IIA jkirkpat@acs.ryerson.ca From "Steven Swiger (LIS)" Mon Dec 4 14:22:04 1995 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 14:22:04 -0500 (EST) From: "Steven Swiger (LIS)" Subject: 88 RoofRacks... Howdy all, does anyone have a good source for aftermarket full length roof racks for a S.III 88", relatively cheaply? By that I mean not Rovers North pricing... thnx in advance, steve _________________________________ |_______|_______|_______|_______| "Moose" | ____________ | | \\ '73 III 88" | / | \ | | \\ ________ | | | | | | \\ | | | \______|_____/ |______|_______\\___|________|__ |___________________|_______________|---------------\ | [] [] [] | | 0 |) | |--] | | _| / OOOOO | | OOOOO |__ |_|____I OO o o OO ___|_______________|___ OO o o OO ____| 0 OO o 0 o OO OO o 0 o OO OO o OO "Tread Lightly" OO o OO OOOOO OOOOO Florida Rover Canvas Steve Swiger swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu (813) 874-5391 (813) 253-0905 (Work) From "Gerald" Mon Dec 4 14:47:45 1995 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 14:47:45 -0500 From: "Gerald" Subject: Re: Headlight Guards for Disco's On 4 Dec 95 at 11:48, Keith Morehouse-WB9TIY wrote: > Does anybody know of a source (preferably NA - but anywhere will do) > of polycarbonate, lexan or other roost-proof material HEADLIGHT AND > FOGLIGHT COVERS for Disco's (95/96 MY) ?? The U.K. Discovery accessory catalog has clear headlight protecters. Don't recall what they are made off. Don't have catalog with me to give part number. Do U.K. Disco's have differently shaped headlights? If not these might work. I like them better than the metal grids. -- Gerald g@ix.netcom.com From 04 95 Dec EST 1916 Date: 04 Dec 95 16:07:36 EST From: Subject: Roof Racks Land Rover Owners are lucky in having so many companies catering to our needs (whims?) when it come to roof racks. Brownchurch, Bearmarch, Land Rover's own equipment etc. Over here in the USA we have some but not all of the products. Have any of you inspected or bought the LiteRacs roof rack? I'm interested in any comments good bad or ugly on quality of construction, design, problems encountered in use etc. While I have no plans to mount the unit permanently on the vehicle I would like to be able to mount spots on the rack CT/La Ruta Maya style. And while we're at it please comment on any other roof rack products. Thanks Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com Brit in Boston 95 Discovery I wave and go off road. From "BREAKFIELD ERNEST" Mon Dec 04 13:38:39 1995 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 95 13:38:39 PST From: "BREAKFIELD ERNEST" Subject: compressed air source hello all! not recommended (by me), but submitted as food for thought; one idea i saw for air pressure for off roading involved a custom bumper (of the 'tube' type) fitted w/ a connector for an air hose. seems the chap had a custom bumper made with a tube as if an air pressure vessel, and simply pumped it up @ the service station when convenient before air'ed-down off roading, plugging the hose into the bumper to re-air when returning to pavement. very convenient, but i'd wouldn't want to be around (spotting?) were he to slip into something solid whilst under full pressure. don't remember how much pressure he used, but the air volume was apparently adequate for airing up 4 slightly larger than average tires. this guy was the sort that lived out in the Sierras where arrow-hunted bear meat is still considered a staple (only in season, of course, Mr. warden!), not the sort to be concerned about trifles like vehicular regulations and the such, so i wouldn't dare speak for the legalities of driving public highways with a compressed air cylinder for a bumper... (i know even SCUBA tanks are regulated by our Dept. of Motor Vehicles as it's assumed they will be transported by auto.) ciaou, e From Karim El-Fishawy Mon Dec 04 14:22:30 1995 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 95 14:22:30 -0800 From: Karim El-Fishawy Subject: Buying or Selling a used Land Rover? Just wanted to let people know about a great service on the Web that makes buying and selling used Land Rovers a snap. Classifieds2000 (http://www.Classifieds2000.com) is a free public service that actually does your shopping for you. You simply specify the type of Land Rover you are looking for (including model, year, price range, mileage, body style, transmission...) and every time another user inputs a Land Rover onto the system meeting your criteria you are notified via email. Every morning you will have a brand new listing of Land Rovers matching your search criteria. The feature in Classifieds2000 is called "Cool-Notify" and it is actually a really neat way to shop. Plus, if you are selling your car, you can list your ad for free on Classifieds2000. http://www.classifieds2000.com | _____ | ___/__|__\__| (__ ______ __)= ooo ______(O)_____(O)________ ------- End of Forwarded Message From m8f@ornl.gov (M Scott Fugate) Mon Dec 4 18:21:35 1995 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:21:35 -0500 (EST) From: m8f@ornl.gov (M Scott Fugate) Subject: 67 IIA for Sale in Tennessee I was delighted to learn of two new Series Land Rovers in my fair city of Knoxville, Tennessee USA last week. This brings the grand total up to six in a town of that's the third largest in the state. Unfortunately one of these new found local Rovers is for sale. The owner just finished restoring it, and then decided to go back to medical school. No time and no money for him for a few years, so the Rover has to go. It's a '67 IIA with only 38,152 original miles. Seems it was bought new by a Texas oil man for his wife, and she didn't ever get the knack of the gear shifting. The Rover was stored in a barn and only used occasionally by the husband to check on his wells. The current owner says when he picked it up, the inside of the left front wing was coated in old crude. Frame is said to be perfect, and interior is original in great shape. The current owner repainted it (Limestone over Marine Blue) and rebuilt the brakes, etc. Asking price is a pretty steep $13,500. Could be a good opportunity for someone who wants a Series Rover that's "ready to go", I guess. Owner's name is Carl Wheeler, phone number 423-522-0619. All standard disclaimers apply. I haven't seen this truck, and only have talked to the owner once, but if somebody is serious about buying it, I would be willing to go check it out and offer an opinion before you travel. YMMV. Scott Fugate 1970 IIA 1989 RR BT From DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Mon Dec 04 16:31:33 1995 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 95 16:31:33 MST From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Subject: Horror story FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 SUBJECT: Horror story John writes (in reference to my cam changing post.) ========================================================================= Reply-To: johannes@uiuc.edu Thast was an amazing story indeed. So you had to pull everything to get that cam in and out twice? Aaargh. I have a new Disco and am curious about what sort of milage you had on your RR engine when you had this worn lifter and lobe problem? What was your oil changing pattern like. Was the inside pretty clean? I am a 2500 mile changer and am just curious about what I can look forward to. I also plan to go to synthetic 5-50 at the next change or so. Thanks a lot, John Friedman ======================================================================== John, and others; I bought the RR about 3 months ago for $8,500. A real bargain, right? Well... As they say, "Caveat emptor". I got it for that price for several reasons, mainly, the lack of care that was very apparent. But, my desire was for a capable yet comfortable trail vehicle. The lack of wax, dry (cracking) leather seats, broken seat switches, torn carpet in the rear seat, cheapie "Audiovox" CD player, etc... didn't really bother me. My only concern was the "lifter" noise. I could tell, just by looking in the oil fill hole that it had NOT been maintained as claimed, and assumed that possibly the lifter was just plugged up. The RR has (now) 48K on the odometer, but an additional 50K on the vehicle. (Or so the story goes! The speedometer was replaced around 50K.) So, roughly 100K on a neglected engine. (Trans still looks good, as does the diff fluid.) All in all, I still think I got a good deal. I still have less than 10K into her, have added a rear Lock-Right, seat switch, (still need one) removed the front spoiler and rear spot lights (for clearance on trails) and don't have to cringe when I run into a bush, or get dinged from a rock. I'm happier this way! ;-) BTW, this RR had previously NEVER been off-road. Totally spotless undercarriage, NO rust (Arizona) no scratches or dings, (just faded, lack of wax.) New tyres. So, let that be a lesson for us all... FREQUENT OIL CHANGES! And the V8 should last a good, long time. Neglect her, and you'll most definitely regret it! To me, the 5-50 sounds like quite a large range. I'm no oil expert, but the more the "range", the more "thingies" (told you I'm no expert) that they have to add to allow it to do this, and the more "thingies", the quicker the oil breaks down. I'd rather see someone go with 20-50 rather than 5-50. I live in Phoenix (78 degrees today) where it's very mild, and I use straight 30 or 40. Maybe this isn't the best, and if not, someone please educate me. I have 2 cases of "Golden Spectrol" 20W50 motorcycle oil that I'm going to start using at my next oil change (Synthetic). Any comments on this? Please? So, everyone... change your oil!! OFTEN!!! #=======# ________ We make a living by what we get, |__|__|__\___ /__/__|__\___ we make a life by what we give. | _| | |_ |} \_/-\_|__/-\_|} "(_)""""""(_)" (_) (_) Winston Churchill From Mike Dryfoos Mon Dec 4 11:10:44 1995 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 11:10:44 -0800 From: Mike Dryfoos Subject: oil warning light vs. pressure gauge A question on my '71 SIIA. Is it better to believe my oil pressure warning light or my oil pressure gauge? The oil pressure warning light is coming on at idle. The oil pressure gauge installed by the previous owner, and it reads around 28-30 psi at idle. The light goes out when I increase revs to the point that the gauge reads 40 psi. Idle speed is smooth and normal. The gauge reads 50-60 psi when moving. The crankcase is full, and the oil was changed about 300 miles ago. Earlier this year I would see the warning light come on when the gauge read about 20 psi or below, I feel reasonably comfortable that the gauge is accurate. What would be causing the sensor that triggers the light to object to 30 psi at idle? From Kevan Shaw Lighting Design Mon Dec 4 23:30:11 1995 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 23:30:11 +0000 From: Kevan Shaw Lighting Design Subject: Oil everywhere but in the sump! I have an '82 88" diesel which runs fine except it has a habit of chucking lots of oil out the breather on the rocker cover, particularly on long runs. The local Land-Rover Gurus keep winding tape round the breather cap to no avail. The problem is longstanding, i.e. ever since I have owned the thing, the engine runs well, starts well and only shows a very little smoke at the oil filler, so I guess there is a bit of blow-by at the piston rings however it was recently compression tested and pronounced within operating limits. Anyone any ideas as to what could be a cure? Thanks, Kevan Shaw From John Brabyn Mon Dec 4 17:50:35 1995 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 17:50:35 -0800 (PST) From: John Brabyn Subject: Re: Results of new cam in the Range Rover. Thanks Dave for telling us all about this -- it might save us a lot of effort in the future! Much appreciated John Brabyn 89RR From TONY YATES Tue Dec 5 10:03:59 1995 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 10:03:59 +0800 (WST) From: TONY YATES Subject: Re: Horror story OK all you oil gurus out there, here are some slippery questions (ha ha): Is synthetic oil worth the extra money? Is it worth it in an old and slightly tired motor? Is it OK to use in a new motor? Regarding non synthetics, how do you pick a "good" oil? They seem to vary enormously in cost but all claim to exceed all known specifications. Cheers. ==================================================================== _____________________ /_____________________\ Tony Yates | | | | Port Hedland _ | _________ _ _________ | _ Western Australia |-| |[_________] [_________]| |-| |_| ----------------------- |_| \| \ =============== / |/ A.Yates@bom.gov.au ======================= |o _ |===========| _ o| Opinions expressed /| (_)|===========|(_) |\ here are almost but ||o____|===========|____o|| not quite entirely ||________[PAMELA]_______|| unlike those of the \[_______________________]/ Bureau of Meteorology. |\|/|---\_/---------|\|/| |\|/| |\|/| ----- ----- ===================================================================== From a-robw@microsoft.com Mon Dec 4 18:15:34 1995 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:15:34 -0800 From: a-robw@microsoft.com Subject: RE: Hi-Lift and Disco Yea, that thought crossed my mind, too. What would be neat would be a strap or bracket or something that you could attach to the tire so you could just jack up the tire, sort of like what a tow truck uses, maybe. Another idea, I've heard of is to replace the plastic trim piece under the doors with a steel square tube and jack from the side. ---------- From Wdcockey@aol.com Mon Dec 4 21:53:13 1995 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 21:53:13 -0500 From: Wdcockey@aol.com Subject: Re: oil warning light vs. pressure gauge I'd replace the sender, or find another gague you can temporailly plumb in place of the sender and go with the majority vote. From Wdcockey@aol.com Mon Dec 4 21:52:50 1995 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 21:52:50 -0500 From: Wdcockey@aol.com Subject: Re: Series II Trivia (Valuable Knowledge) Here is the collective wisdom and my analysis of the responses to: >What are 4 standard features and 1 option which differentiate a 1958-60 >Series II from the later Series IIA, and are can be seen without lifting the >hood (bonnet)? LR transitioned from the Series II to the IIA spec through 61 until the announcement of the IIA with the 2.25 diesel and significant changes to 2.25 petrol in late 61, so 61s with mixed features are seen. II exclusives -Valence panel between front bumper and grille - square rather than rounded on IIA & III (Duncan Brown). -Horn button on stalk, changed to steering wheel center in mid 60 (Duncan Brown). -One piece front doors - some but not all II SWs and hardtops. Im only aware of on 58 and 59, both 88 and 109 (Duncan Brown, Jeremy Bartlett). -Ventilator hinges on bulkhead - attached to lids with bolts rather than rivets. -Ventilator controls - knobs rather than levers, changed to levers in mid 60. -Inspection cover over transmission in front floor. Access panel which swings away. Used 58 -60. -Vehicle (chassis) number - on right front spring horn and plate on bulkhead. Series II first digit is 1, and no suffix letter. Fourth digit is last digit of year. Series IIA first digit is 2, have suffix letter A thru H, and no year indicator. (Ben Smith). -Optional flashers (turn signals) switch - lever on dash acc. panel for IIs with horn button on stalk. Definitive info not avail. -Pendent steering arms (located on top of swivel balls)- claimed by several sources to be II exclusive, but listed in Series IIA parts book (Duncan Brown, Ben Smith). -Taillights -various Lucas, Wipac and Sparto used. Parts book indicates change with suffix B on non-NADA, dont know when changed in NADA. Not II exclusives -Headlights with chrome rims - used in North America through 67, dropped in 63 or so elsewhere with suffix B. This often confuses trans-Atlantic visitors and owners of recent imports. -Exhaust system exits through left front wheelhouse - used on diesels thru 75, also on 6 cyl. -Door locks with external pawl and lock cylinder attached to handle - used on early IIAs through 64? -IIA diesel have diesel badge on grille. II & IIA petrol dont have badge. -Prongs welded to rear corner cappings - used through at least 68 according to parts book. Ill be glad to discuss above with anyone, and will appreciate any additional info. Remember that parts get mixed over time. David Cockey 1960 II 88 SW 1960 II 88 PU (nee hardtop) 8/10 of 1959 II 88" SW From rmodica@east.pima.edu Mon Dec 04 20:19:24 1995 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 1995 20:19:24 MST From: rmodica@east.pima.edu Subject: Xmas Rovers Well, well, well. And I thought I was the only Crazy in the bunch. My front yard has my 109 outlined in 600 white lights with a lighted Santa in the driver's seat. We thought about doing it last year, but figured the neigbors would think us daft. (With three Land Rovers they prbably already do.) As soon as the lights came on several neighbors expressed delight. John's set up sounds like he can drive around all lit up. That should be something to see. On the serious side--. Last week I disconnected the battery cables in my Disco to clean off corrosion. Upon replacing the cables the radio needed rearming as expected (leave key on for one hour and reenter code), but the SRS light came on and the right hand S of the SRS blinks for a moment and then remains lit --as does the entire SRS display. Called the nearest dealer in Scottsdale (110 miles N) and asked for advice. Their reply - "Come up and have us connect you to our CDROM analyzer." "Can't you give me a hint over the phone?" "No, we have to connect you to the computer." "what about the black box codes?" "The Discos don't have a readout like the D-90s, come to our computer." Anyone have any ideas what's happened to my SRS? Rob Modica 1951 SI 80" 1960 SII109" Safari Tucson, AZ 1994 Disco 5spd "Casper" e-mail rmodica@east.pima.edu snail mail 6425 E. Hayne St. Tucson AZ 85710-4638 From a-robw@microsoft.com Mon Dec 4 20:04:09 1995 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 20:04:09 -0800 From: a-robw@microsoft.com Subject: RE: Xmas Rovers/Blinky SRS lights On the serious side--. Last week I disconnected the battery cables in my Disco to clean off corrosion. Upon replacing the cables the radio needed rearming as expected (leave key on for one hour and reenter code), but the SRS light came on and the right hand S of the SRS blinks for a moment and then remains lit --as does the entire SRS display. Called the nearest dealer in Scottsdale (110 miles N) and asked for advice. Their reply - "Come up and have us connect you to our CDROM analyzer." "Can't you give me a hint over the phone?" "No, we have to connect you to the computer." "what about the black box codes?" "The Discos don't have a readout like the D-90s, come to our computer." Anyone have any ideas what's happened to my SRS? --------- For fear of this, or other strange things, happening to mine when I've ben working on the electrical stuff, I've always jumpered the battery to the electrical buss while fiddling with the wires so that the battery is always connected to the myriad of on-board computers. Let us know what you find out. I hope it's nothing serious. Does the (is there a) display under the passenger seat say anything? From "John C. White, III" Mon Dec 4 20:48:25 1995 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 20:48:25 -0800 From: "John C. White, III" Subject: Re: Discovery racks I've got the "expedition" rack, which is exactly like the one in the "La Ruta Maya" video tape LRNA was (is?) mailing out to new owners. It mounts on the rain channel so there is no increase in the amount of weight you can carry. I too noticed the amount of stuff that it appeared the Camel Trophy Discoveries carried. We're probably right to assume that they can do this because the racks are mounted to the roll cages. One thing to consider too is that putting a lot of weight on the roof may alter the handling of the vehicle enough to be dangerous. By the way, I got my rack at a Land Rover dealership. Word to the wise: I called around to the local dealerships to get the best price. The prices I was quoted varied by over $200. (!) Cheers! John '95 Discovery At 10:11 04.12.95 -0500, GElam30092@aol.com wrote: >There are several ads. for racks (full-length, half-length) for the Discovery >in the LRO and LRW. Has anyone purchased an after-market product? What is [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)] >vehicle verify? >Gerry "He's ain't heavy... he's my brother" Elam From DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Mon Dec 04 22:06:43 1995 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 95 22:06:43 MST From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Subject: Help selecting a CB radio. FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 SUBJECT: Help selecting a CB radio. I need to get a CB radio for trail runs, and need help selecting one that best suits my needs. I know NOTHING (well, very little anyway) about them. I only need it for talking to other trail members, and plan to use a 2-meter radio for longer distance (once I get my licence). Should I go with the basic $50 cobra small size, basic functions, or the larger size that has various functions for around $120? Should I get a power mike? Which antenna should I get? Any mounting locations or suggestions? They will be used mostly in a 1987 Range Rover, but may be used in a 1971 Land Rover as well. Thanks, Dave Brown debrown@srp.gov #=======# ________ We make a living by what we get, |__|__|__\___ /__/__|__\___ we make a life by what we give. | _| | |_ |} \_/-\_|__/-\_|} "(_)""""""(_)" (_) (_) Winston Churchill From dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb) Tue Dec 5 15:50:13 1995 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 15:50:13 +1030 (CST) From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb) Subject: Re:Oil.FAQ Tony asks something we've all pondered: > Is synthetic oil worth the extra money? > Is it worth it in an old and slightly tired motor? > Is it OK to use in a new motor? > > Regarding non synthetics, how do you pick a "good" oil? They seem to vary > enormously in cost but all claim to exceed all known specifications. Tony the best I can suggest is to read Ed Hackett's oil.faq found guess where :-) http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/RoverWeb/OilFAQ.html Thanks to Dixon and Ben for including one. There is other predominantly commercial oil stuff kicking around, but Ed's seems to explain in language even I can understand....... -- Daryl Webb (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au) From rlarson@lsil.com (Rick Larson) Mon Dec 4 22:14:48 1995 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 22:14:48 -0700 From: rlarson@lsil.com (Rick Larson) Subject: Re: Discovery racks >From the Saftey Devices Catalog: Discovery 5 Door The five door Discovery superseded the three door as the main vehicle for the Camel Trophy. Consequently the five door version of the Discovery roll cage has been developed, providing full protection of the occupants but allowing access through the rear doors. The cage is similar to the two door, with backstays moved from the conventional position to run horizontally to the 'D' posts at the rear of the vehicle to allow maximum load space. Once again, the cage is phosphated and black polyester coated. It is necessary to specify if a Camel Trophy roof rack is to be used as this bolts to the cage through the vehicle roof. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ A diagonal brace can be added to the main hoop for Police specification or extreme off-road conditions. -Rick At 8:48 PM 12/4/95 -0800, John C. White, III wrote: >I've got the "expedition" rack, which is exactly like the one in the "La Ruta >Maya" video tape LRNA was (is?) mailing out to new owners. It mounts on the [ truncated by lro-digester (was 32 lines)] >>vehicle verify? >>Gerry "He's ain't heavy... he's my brother" Elam From "John C. White, III" Mon Dec 4 22:45:46 1995 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 22:45:46 -0800 From: "John C. White, III" Subject: RE: Xmas Rovers/Blinky SRS lights According to the shop manual "In the event of a fault in the system the warning light will illuminate and begin modulating. The airbag diagnostic control unint logs the fault which can only be accessed using TestBook." (TestBook is a portable computer used by the mechanics. The drawing of it has what appears to be an ejected CD-ROM.) There is no indication anywhere that I can find about what might be wrong. I do notice however that there are a lot of warnings throughout this chapter. One reads, "Do not use electrical test equipment on the airbag harness or connectors. Tampering with or disconFrom Franz.Parzefall@lrz.tu-muenchen.de Tue Dec 5 08:59:42 1995 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 08:59:42 +0100 (MET) From: Franz.Parzefall@lrz.tu-muenchen.de Subject: Volkswagen Oilfilters Hi folks, last week, Roy Wassili doubted if the Volkswagen Oilfilter really matches the LR one. I got to the autoparts dealer again this Saturday and checked carefully again. It is really similar to that I got from the British autoparts shop. If anyone is intersted to use it, too. It's the oilfilter mounted on the newer VW diesels (nonturbo) like Golf/Rabbit and Passat. Chears, Franz -- Franz Parzefall tbr1102@hpmail.lrz-muenchen.de _______ [____|\_\== [_-__|__|_-] exmil. 110 2.5D ___.._(0)..._.(0)__.._ From "barnett childress" Tue Dec 5 7:27:41 1995 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 95 7:27:41 EST From: "barnett childress" Subject: re:The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest Hello All, First, could someone please send me Dec 2 & Dec 5 digests somehow I only got the first few listings. Second, I have a question about diff's and drive trains. When I let out the clutch on my D90 I hear a "clunk" sound. I also get a similar sound when I push in the clutch. This sound is coming from the rear diff, and possibly the front diff but its to hard to hear. Anyone else out there have this same sound? Is this normal for LR's? I was told that LR drive trains are built with a lot of slop on purpose and that this is normal. A friend of mine says it sounds like ring and pinion engagement. Backlash should be set correctly it was checked/reset when RN put in ARB air locker's for me. Any opinions or advice would be greatly appreciated. If any of you other D90 owners have this sound and this is "normal" I would shure like to know! Worried and wondering! Barnett EMAIL Barnett Childress@eng@emchop1 95 D90 still unnamed From "Bobeck, David R." Tue Dec 05 08:03:11 1995 Date: Tue, 05 Dec 95 08:03:11 EST From: "Bobeck, David R." Subject: Re[2]: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net Barnett Childress wrote: When I let out the clutch on my D90 I hear a "clunk" sound. 95 D90 still unnamed -That very well could be the problem! Sorry, I couldn't resist. Dave '72 SIII From Mark.Kraieski@mailport.delta-air.com 5 95 Dec -0500 1908 Date: 5 Dec 95 08:28:01 -0500 From: Mark.Kraieski@mailport.delta-air.com Subject: "Strange Noises", '96 Disco, Manual When coasting to a stop with the clutch in, my '96 NAS Disco sometimes makes a rattling sound in the drivetrain. This seems to be most noticeable after driving for half an hour or more (everything warmed up) and appears to be coming from the front axle assembly. It is related to motion, not bumps or turns. What is odd is that the first Disco I test drove made this sound as well. The salesman and I agreed something wasn't right and parked it at the service area and got another one. This one seemed fine and I now own it. After about 500 miles it started make the exact same sound. The sound only occurs when coasting to a stop and then only when speed pretty slow. Under power the sound goes away. Anyone else out there experience this? I wouldn't expect it to happen with an automatic. Given it was present in 2 different Disco's, I suppose things are as they should be. There are no other odd symptoms and otherwise the vehicle performs fine. Given only 1 out