From Nobody Home Tue Oct 31 10:45:23 1995 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 10:45:23 +0000 (GMT) From: Nobody Home Subject: Discovery Project Hello! I am a 3rd year student at Civentry University and for my honours project I am analysing the "Success of the Discovery". I will be looking at the Disco in terms of the Product itself, the price, promotion,etc.etc., so the project will have a marketing slant. I thought this an appropriate subject to cover as I drive a LR/RR hybrid off-road at the weekends. If anyone has got any information on anything to do with the Discovery or even wish to express their personal opinion on the vehicle I WOULD BE VERY GRATEFUL!!! It may take me a while to reply but your help would be appreciated. Please email me: Helen>>>> hec2@coventry.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** __ Nobody home and _,~/ ) No books to read O_ ^\/ `- - . `~\ `@ What about the pig? ;, ,_( ; //_/ //_/ What about it? hec2@coventry.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From Lloyd Allison Tue Oct 31 22:29:16 1995 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 22:29:16 +1100 (EST) From: Lloyd Allison Subject: Landy/BMW and US army Rovers LROC printed a letter from LR to an oz business telling them to stop using the name, but although it was doubtless upsetting in that it was a change in the status quo, it was quite reasonable in tone - like I might get ****** off if someone had been using my name for profit for a long time. The implication seemed to be that they could "do a deal" but there might be $ involved and quality could be an issue. Clubs commonly have permission, sometimes written (!) to use the LR logo, for example. Intent, hurt and profit are definitely part of copyright law. There was also a report that LR had put the hard word on Dipstick's (the cartoon) author - which I find very hard to believe as I would have thought that LR-BMW would have no leg to stand on? Can anyone confirm this? [Who, me paranoid about copyright?] Mind you, Bill Spear tells me that Harley D want to copyright the exhaust note of their bikes! Maybe LR could copyright an oil-stain? I have read, but it could be a conspiracy-theory, that car companies are looking at using copyright of their designs to prevent non-standard spares being made and sold. How do the US military LRs compare with the UK SAS and with the oz Perentie http://www.cs.monash.edu.au/~lloyd/tildeLand-Rover/Perentie/index.html [Isuzu 3.9D, turbo in 6x6, 4x4 modified D110, 6x6 mostly "new".] Lloyd From Tom Stevenson Tue Oct 31 11:45:05 1995 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:45:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Tom Stevenson Subject: Re: Soccer practice... >You're absolutely right, of course. LR's are *very* versatile. >However, if [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)] >Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad >sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen >know." The alternative strategy is to sell some of the children for scientific experiments in order to finance the running of the Land Rover. -- Tom Stevenson: gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk University Marine Biological Station, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland Tel:(01475) 530581 Fax:(01475) 530601 From "John J. Tackley" Tue Oct 31 07:23:55 1995 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 07:23:55 -0500 From: "John J. Tackley" Subject: Def 110 4sale - NOT! I called that Alaska number to get some details about the 100 mil spec '92 110's 4sale and I spoke with Jake. Jake says that after 8 months of dicking around with the EPA, that they have given up selling any of these vehicles into the US. He did say that they were working on fulfilling an order from someone in the US Virgin Islands though, so there is a chance that you rovers outside the US can still cop the deal. He did take my name and number 'just in case'. I will let the digest know if I hear from Jake, but don't hold your collective breath.......... BTW, as an aside to Malcom at the EPA, any truth to this story from your perspective????????And have you sold that beautiful 109 yet??? John J. Tackley From "christian (c.j.) szpilfogel" Tue Oct 31 08:26:00 1995 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 08:26:00 -0500 From: "christian (c.j.) szpilfogel" Subject: re:Hams [snip...] Sorry for interrupting, but as a non-native English-speaking uhh typing member of the list, could any one explain to me what a ham radio is? I assume its not the kind of ham one gets from the local butcher though? Or did I miss a thread about new technologies were they import ham from Tjernobyl and convert them to transistors in implement them in new car hifi? [...unsnip] It's a nickname for Amateur Radio operators. My father (VE1KG) is a big ham :-) and by his setup, I refer to him as the blow-torch of the Atlantic. Actually he likes lower power and more antennae. Most hams I know really like to get their hands dirty in the electronics which is probably why they are also associated with LRs. Could be that they see Lucas wiring as a challenge that must be taken head on! Cheers, -Christian P.S. Dixon, I believe you were the closest. When I went to sleep it was 50.6 vs. 49.4 for the Non. --------------- Christian Szpilfogel Ottawa, Ontario, Canada From Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus 31 95 Oct EST 1908 Date: 31 Oct 95 8:47:17 EST From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus Subject: re:Hams >Most hams I know really like to get their hands dirty in the electronics >which is probably why they are also associated with LRs. Could be that >they see Lucas wiring as a challenge that must be taken head on! >Cheers, > -Christian As a ham, I have a sincere fondness for the old tube-type gear, most of which is hand-wired with cotton-covered wire from which the color codes have long since faded. It's incredibly tough for its design, but crotchety and difficult to get parts for except from specialist dealers. See a resemblance yet? 8*> Alan/N1TWY Also with a 2-meter rig in the Rover.... From "John C. White III" Tue Oct 31 05:59:23 1995 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 05:59:23 -0800 (PST) From: "John C. White III" Subject: Re: Discovery Woes Roy, "Ham" radio is a nickname for "amateur" radio. "Ham operators" are licensed for some of the shortwave bands. I don't know the exact radio frequencies that are involved as I am not a ham. I'm sure one of the other LROs who is a ham and maybe a bad actor (another type of ham) will be happy to give more details. Cheer! John '95 Discovery, also scarred San Francisco, California On Tue, 31 Oct 1995 wassili@AMC.UVA.NL wrote: > To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net > >To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net [ truncated by lro-digester (was 25 lines)] > [|_/ \|_____|_/ \_|] > ( o ) ( o ) From chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens) Tue Oct 31 10:15:10 1995 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 10:15:10 -0500 From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens) Subject: More Paint Codes Paint code from Sherwin Williams Automotive Finishes for Marine Blue is J5-6118 00. This is the Acrylyd finish. I tried the synthetic and it was off by about 1 million shades. Chris Stevens Beckett Klay 100 West Road Suite 300 Baltimore, MD 21294 USA (410) 583-6146 (410) 583-1935 (FAX) chrisste@Clark.net From Treit Le 31 95 Oct 1910 Date: 31 Oct 95 10:23:50 From: Treit Le Subject: 7500 warranty I called up 3 dealers in my area and found that the 7500 mile service on a '95 Classic runs $45-54. Are all the services subsidized and equally cheap? Can you have multiple 7500 mile services? Like every 3,000 miles for instance? From DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Tue Oct 31 09:05:01 1995 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 09:05:01 MST From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Subject: 109 pulled the RR through the mountains... SLOW FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 SUBJECT: 109 pulled the RR through the mountains... SLOW Just thought I'd let you all know that the 109 performed flawlessly as it churned, chugged, and guzzled gas pulling the RR up the mountains from Phoenix to Flagstaff Arizona (USA). What would normally have taken me a little less than 3 hours took 5 hours. I was passed by *every* semi on the road. The slowest *long* hill required 2nd gear, and even at that, it was lugging, and the only thing that kept me from downshifting to first was the fact that I didn't want to lose my momentum! In a 150 mile trip, I used almost 25 gallons of fuel! This was serious work for the old gal! On the way back, I met up with Gerry and James, and we did a bit of wheeling. I crossed my first river with the 109, around 30" deep! Ahem... I mean, 2.5 meters! Oops! Make that .75 meter! (This metric stuff is gonna burn me sometime, like when I try to order a quantity of cement or something...) But the fact that Gerry's Disco had a winch made it easier to go for it. We also traveled on many miles of washboard road. Poor old gal got the *%$ shaken out of her. When I got back, I hosed off the frame, and found a *great* deal of rust flakes inside the frame. (Poked my finger through a drain hole to discover about a half inch, 15 cm... make that mm of rust flakes!) This frame's even worse than I thought. But I have a line on a good, used, rust free frame that I'm going to look at this weekend. Also, the exhaust pipe to manifold had rattled loose, and when I tried to tighten it, 2 of the 3 studs broke off. (Darn rust!) So I had to take off the intake and exhaust manifolds off, and will be taking them in to be drilled out and retapped, probably with a US standard thread. I don't think I posted this earlier, but in case I have, sorry... my memory is *so* bad that... I forgot what I was going to say.... ;) Sorry to hear about James! I don't know what happened... I tried to call him twice, but he wasn't in the first time, and was on the phone the second time... I'll keep trying. Meanwhile, he's in my prayers. Have fun! Dave (wet behind the ears) Brown. #=====# #========# -------,___ ________ |___|__\___ |___|__|__\___ |--' | | \_|_ /__/__|__\___ | _ | |_ |} | _ | | |_ |} | _ |--+--|_ | \_/-\_|__/-\_|} "(_)""""(_)" "(_)"""""""(_)" ||_/_\___|__/_\_|} (_) (_) (_) (_) 1971 "88" IIa 1970 "109" IIa 1994 Discovery (Sold) '87 Range Rover LIC: LION B8 Historic plates (Too hard to "draw") rear Lock-Right (rust bucket frame) #=======# ________ We make a living by what we get, |__|__|__\___ /__/__|__\___ we make a life by what we give. | _| | |_ |} \_/-\_|__/-\_|} "(_)""""""(_)" (_) (_) Winston Churchill From Mike Kneafsey <73407.1504@compuserve.com> 31 95 Oct EST 1911 Date: 31 Oct 95 11:31:23 EST From: Mike Kneafsey <73407.1504@compuserve.com> Subject: D90 For Sale in Tulsa Saw a D90 with 900 miles at Clark Motor Cars in Tulsa. I believe they were asking $25,600. This was the first I have seen in Tulsa. Someday I still hope to save my pennies for a 109. Mike Kneafsey From skidmore@mail02.mitre.org (William E. Skidmore) Tue Oct 31 11:54:08 1995 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 11:54:08 -0500 From: skidmore@mail02.mitre.org (William E. Skidmore) Subject: RE: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest re: >Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:57:51 +0100 >From: Peter Kutschera Subject: Need help with 2.25 Diesel: smoking when idle >Hello! >Whe I got my SIIa 109 (1968) about 3 years ago the engine was the >only part working fine. >This changed last fall. >Hello! >It is now nearly impossible tho start when the temperature goes below >5 Deg Celsius, the engine smokes REALY MUCH when idle or going >downhill. and >From: Mike Rooth >Subject: Re: Need help with 2.25 Diesel: smoking when idle [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)] >totally worn out,and smoked all the time like a factory chimney. >You dont say whether the engine will turn in cold weather,and Gentlemen; I can't speak preceisely to the LR diesel, as I have a D90 (which is still in the delaer waiting in the arrival of a "tail shaft"), but I did own a Volkswagen Quantum Turbodiesel for about 7 years, during which time I logged about 100k miles. I learned the hard way about the "glow-plugs", having spent several hours sitting in a parking lot trying to start the bugger, even after getting a jump. After the second year of this happening (usually coincident with the first winter-like day), I started having the glow plugs changed every September. Didn't have any problem after that. Just figured that instead of doing tuneups every 12k miles, I had to change those plugs once per year. It was better to spend the approx $US 250 to have a mechanic do it (VW had the terrible habbit of putting these plugs behind the injector pump, out of reach!) than to be stranded somewhere. From skidmore@mail02.mitre.org (William E. Skidmore) Tue Oct 31 12:01:02 1995 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 12:01:02 -0500 From: skidmore@mail02.mitre.org (William E. Skidmore) Subject: RE: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest >>From: Mike Rooth >Subject: Re: Need help with 2.25 Diesel: smoking when idle >Date: Mon, 30 Oct 95 11:05:32 GMT >....Also,a good lorry drivers tip,given to me by innumerable truckers >when I first got my Oily Wadder was "Keep the fuel tank WELL full >in cold weather,to prevent fuel waxing".If the fuel waxes up it >*wont* start. Another trick is to add about 1 gal of kerosene per every 15 gal of diesel. This will prevent the waxing (or gel'ing) of the diesel by lowering its freezing point, kerosene being the Artic substitute for diesel! >Check the condition of the air cleaner.Diesels need *loads* of >air,and a clogged air cleaner doesnt help.Just take the large [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)] >to get the ones you have cleaned and set up,by a competant diesel >place.All the specs are in the Genuine Parts manual. agreed - I learned by ignorance that my neglect of the fuel filter contributed directly to glow plug failure - the crud was being sprayed out the injector, and causing the plug to short! >Like you,ny distributor pump has no adjustment left clockwise.I'm >very much afraid that this is a result of the skew gear being worn. >Although you *could* try a new timing chain,it cant hurt. Can't speak to adjusting the pump - that kind of stuff has too many negative implications of done wrong, and my luck was never that consistently good (until I got my Land Rover!) Good Luck- Bill Skidmore From Guydell@aol.com Tue Oct 31 12:07:32 1995 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:07:32 -0500 From: Guydell@aol.com Subject: RE: Heater vents/controls '90 RR I have the same problem with lack of hot air flow through the fascia vents in my 90 RR County. Seems like an unusual feature! Also, my fan does not blow at the intermediate speed and the dealer diagnosed it as a defective resistor pack (which is under the cowl panel according to the shop manual, I think?). I am getting ready to pull apart the dash to attempt a fix of one or more problems. Does anyone have experience under a 90 RR dash? The RR shop manual is pretty nebulous about these matters. Regards, Guy della-Cioppa 90 RR County (Beluga black) 66 VW Camper 50 Plymouth P-19 fastback (and two other insignificant daily drivers) From DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Tue Oct 31 11:17:49 1995 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 11:17:49 MST From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Subject: Re: 109..... FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 SUBJECT: Re: 109..... Thanks Alan, I'm sure that it's because of the load and the mountains. I "normally" get around 17mpg or so. It is a webber single barrel. Kind of hard to check it with any accuracy, the speedometer is broken. :( It is also calibrated in kilometers/hour, and I live in the world of "miles/hour". I'd like to try the webber 2-barrel sometime. Might give a bit more power?? Have you heard from anyone with a 2bbl? Thanks, Dave Brown ?? Anyone have a speedometer they'd like to part with?? (Series IIa) _______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------- Will take metric or american. Working or not. #=======# ________ We make a living by what we get, |__|__|__\___ /__/__|__\___ we make a life by what we give. | _| | |_ |} \_/-\_|__/-\_|} "(_)""""""(_)" (_) (_) Winston Churchill *** Forwarding note from MAILER --PABVMSYS 10/31/95 10:04 *** ========================================================================= From Sanna@aol.com Tue Oct 31 13:24:30 1995 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:24:30 -0500 From: Sanna@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Re: Heater vents/controls '90 RR --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Re: Heater vents/controls '90 RR From Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus 31 95 Oct EST 1913 Date: 31 Oct 95 13:47:55 EST From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus Subject: Bogus idle when cold - any hints? My 109 has an odd problem when started on a cold(er) morning. With the choke, er, cold start control pulled to close the butterfly and kick up the idle it starts fine, but after idling a few minutes, it seems to load up with gas and stall. Subsequent restarts exhibit the same behaviour until the engine is well and truly warmed up. As I am one of those types who believe in warming up a car in the winter without babysitting it, I don't like this. Any suggestions as to a cure (other than yanking the Weber and putting on a heater-equipped Zenith)? -Alan From KKelly6788@aol.com Tue Oct 31 14:38:39 1995 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 14:38:39 -0500 From: KKelly6788@aol.com Subject: Land Rover Name in North America As a 10 year plus member of the BMW Car Club of America (#50039) I know what BMW/Land Rover is doing in North America with the Land Rover name. About 9 years ago BMW got real aggressive with protecting their name in North America. The formal company line was that they did not want consumers to confuse a non-authorized BMW dealer, repair facility, parts source with one of the authorized BMW of North America dealers. This was a pain for the many people that had to change the name of their business, but it was not a big deal for the typical BMW owner. Some examples of what BMWNA forced people to do by threatening litigation are: The BMWCCA became the BMWspaceCCA The BMW CCA had to remove the BMW Roundel from the cover of its magazine Many of the local club chapters had to change their logos and newsletter names "Berkeley BMW Salvage" had to change its name to "Berkeley Salvage" specializing in BMW's These are just a couple of examples I personally remember, there were hundreds more. Kevin Kelly From Duncan Brown Tue Oct 31 14:54:25 1995 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 14:54:25 -0500 (EST) From: Duncan Brown Subject: Re: Bogus idle when cold - any hints? Alan, > My 109 has an odd problem when started on a cold(er) morning. With the choke, > er, cold start control pulled to close the butterfly and kick up the idle it > starts fine, but after idling a few minutes, it seems to load up with gas and > stall. Done exactly as you describe it, this is what I'd expect. > Subsequent restarts exhibit the same behaviour until the engine is well and > truly warmed up. As I am one of those types who believe in warming up a car in > the winter without babysitting it, I don't like this. Any suggestions as to a > cure (other than yanking the Weber and putting on a heater-equipped Zenith)? What you want is an automatic choke! There is an optimum position of the choke for any given engine temperature. When the engine is stone cold on a really cold morning, that position is pretty much closed. When the engine is fully warmed up, that positiion is fully open. As the engine is in between those extremes, so too does the optimum choke position change. If you just leave your choke full on, then the engine doesn't have to warm up very much (not even registering on the scale, perhaps) before that choke position is WAYYYY too rich. SO it loads up with gas and stalls. But taking the choke off too soon leaves the mixture too lean...which might actually be OK at idle, but it's generally not going to idle fast enough before it's warm. (See previous thread about hand throttles for one solution to this problem!) So if you truly want a vehicle you can start and leave alone in the driveway for minutes while it warms up, you need something with an automatic choke...which I've never seen for a Series Rover (short of a Chevy V-6 or Rover V-8 conversion!) It's probably worth pointing out here that warming a vehicle up like that wastes gas, pollutes the environment needlessly, etc. Half a minute or less of warmup and attentive adjustment of the choke as the vehicle warms up while you drive it down the road is the "best" approach. (If I totally misunderstood what you were saying, you already know how chokes work, and you find the preceding patronizing, please forgive me!) Duncan From rob_hooper@om.cv.hp.com Tue Oct 31 11:04:12 1995 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 11:04:12 -0800 From: rob_hooper@om.cv.hp.com Subject: Solex Carb Throttle Shaft "Bushings" TO: lro@Land-Rover.team.net ....................................................................... Item Subject: cc:Mail Text Inital submission bounced - once more ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ From K Schmidt Tue Oct 31 16:05:50 1995 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 16:05:50 EST From: K Schmidt Subject: LR sighting in Nov Motor Trend For those who are in Noth America you should like this really cool picture... In the Nov issue of Motor Trend p149 there is a champion spark plug ad with a early series II LR slugging along in mud up to it's bumper. :) The LR has two jerry cans on it's bumper and has a canvas hood. Kurt Happy Halloween :~} From "Francis J. Twarog" Tue Oct 31 16:22:42 1995 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:22:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Francis J. Twarog" Subject: Ramblings First - to Raoul Miller in Middlebury - those 3 110s you saw in Vermont etc. are all the same car! It was owned by a guy in New Hampshire (since new, I think) and sold in order to buy his new Def. 90 - a light blue County model that used to run around Nantucket by summer and Rover rallies the rest of the year. Next - anyone near Burlington,Vt that wants to join a couple of Rovers for some off roading this Thursday, please give me a call... (802) 864 - 0936. I think we'll either head out to Eagle's Ledge or maybe a trip further north... Last - TRIVIA!! Come and join the fun!! (thanks, Dixon, for making the only attempt to yesterday's). Anyway, today I have a few easy ones... First, on which side of the vehicle *should* the LR oval appear (in the rear) on a UK Landie? a US one? Australian? Next, what was the code name for North American spec Range Rovers in 1987? 1989? Frank Twarog Burlington, VT From Doug.Forehand@Eng.Sun.COM (Douglas W. Forehand) Tue Oct 31 13:55:15 1995 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:55:15 -0800 From: Doug.Forehand@Eng.Sun.COM (Douglas W. Forehand) Subject: Re: 110's Speaking of Defender 110's for sale. I saw an add for one in this past weeks AutoWeek mag. I called up the dealer heres what they said: 1993 Defender 110 ~28,000 miles $44,500.00 Just how bad do you want one ? He seemed a bit miffed when I laughed at the price. Perhaps someone in the southern New Jersey area could drop by the dealer and let us know what kind of condition a 110 needs to be in to warrant that asking price. Cherry Hill Imports (New Jersey) Phone number - 609-665-5370 Enjoy Doug From Dixon Kenner Tue Oct 31 16:56:38 1995 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:56:38 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re: Ramblings On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Francis J. Twarog wrote: > Last - TRIVIA!! Come and join the fun!! (thanks, Dixon, for making the > only attempt to yesterday's). Anyway, today I have a few easy ones... > First, on which side of the vehicle *should* the LR oval appear (in the > rear) on a UK Landie? a US one? Australian? UK = Left Canada = Right Basically, on the passenger side because the license plate goes on the drivers side, putting it out in traffic where the local constabulary can see it better. Maybe the UK has regs for the placement of the front plate, but over here they appear every where in the front. Have seen them on left & right wings, on the grille, and various places on & above the front bumper. From Jon Humphrey Tue Oct 31 17:31:59 1995 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 17:31:59 -0500 (EST) From: Jon Humphrey Subject: Re: Ramblings Frank wants to know; Last - TRIVIA!! Come and join the fun!! (thanks, Dixon, for making the only attempt to yesterday's). Anyway, today I have a few easy ones... First, on which side of the vehicle *should* the LR oval appear (in the rear) on a UK Landie? a US one? Australian? Next, what was the code name for North American spec Range Rovers in 1987? 1989? Ovals on UK LR is on the left. Ovals on US LR is on the right Ovals on Austr.is on your forehead. 87-89 RR were called Vogues Howzat? Jon From John Brabyn Tue Oct 31 15:21:51 1995 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 15:21:51 -0800 (PST) From: John Brabyn Subject: RE: Heater vents/controls '90 RR On Tue, 31 Oct 1995 Guydell@aol.com wrote: > I have the same problem with lack of hot air flow through the fascia vents in > my 90 RR County. Seems like an unusual feature! Also, my fan does not blow [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] > problems. Does anyone have experience under a 90 RR dash? The RR shop > manual is pretty nebulous about these matters. I've torn my 89 dash apart and it's pretty straightforward but tedious. In the initial step you remove the vents (pop out from top or bottom) and the clock and mirror control. The clock is very stubborn and requires a bit of patience and brute force. That exposes all the screws and every layer you remove exposes more screws. Good luck! Cheers John Brabyn 89 RR From JCassidyiv@aol.com Tue Oct 31 18:24:44 1995 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:24:44 -0500 From: JCassidyiv@aol.com Subject: Old Man EMU springs Just received my set of Old Man EMU springs from Rover's North for my 1987 RR. They were $70/each. I got a set of #757 for the front and #758 for the rear. These, along with the polyurethane bushings, and the new shocks, should make all the difference. I'll let you all know. Cheers! John From "Robert Watson (CNA)" Tue Oct 31 15:08:50 1995 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 15:08:50 -0800 From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" Subject: Camel Trophy '95 Video I just saw the CT95 video on ESPN2 today (I played hookey this morning to see it). What fun! They covered the tryouts in Colorado this February to the Mundo Maya this summer. I was a bit disappointed they didn't show the manual vertical hoisting of a Disco from a ditch but overall it was pretty good coverage. As an added bonus, LRNA ran sevaral Disco ads: the elephant car wash carrying your offspring (which is pretty funny) CT mud splash/"I have to go potty" That makes tape # 2 in my Discovery video library. _____ /___|_\___ Bob Watson | | | \ 6405 235th Place SW |---|___|___\____ Mountlake Terrace, WA 98043 | _| | | _ }\ [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}| '95 Beluga Black Discovery \_/ \_/ \_/ From Dixon Kenner Tue Oct 31 19:43:34 1995 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 19:43:34 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Off-topic I know, but terrific news! Premier Parizeau, leader of the seperatist Parti Quebecois has resigned! Good riddance... Oh yeah, compulsory LR content. Chopped off a plough harness for the 109 Sunday off one of my 88's. Generator uses a double pully arrangement so the hydraulic pump works. Now to repair lower portion of the harness and figure out how to keep it from moving around too much (It had been welded on. The blue wrench solved this aspect of the problem) From "Craig R. Jett" Tue Oct 31 19:43:05 1995 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 19:43:05 -0500 From: "Craig R. Jett" Subject: RE: 110's clip Speaking of Defender 110's for sale. I saw an add for one in this past weeks AutoWeek mag. I called up the dealer heres what they said: 1993 Defender 110 ~28,000 miles $44,500.00 Just how bad do you want one ? He seemed a bit miffed when I laughed at the price. Cherry Hill Imports (New Jersey) Phone number - 609-665-5370 Enjoy Doug unclip I've test driven this 110. It's in perfect shape, Never off road, if = you can believe. They've had it at least 10 months, just sitting there = on the lot, such a waste. Anyway, they were asking $48,000 for it then. = Don't feel bad Doug, I laughed also. Maybe if we wait another 10 years = the price might be right. Craig Jett 95 Disco From Julianbak@eworld.com Tue Oct 31 19:07:24 1995 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 19:07:24 -0800 From: Julianbak@eworld.com Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest I am not sure that Land Rover has abandoned the US Series LR market altogether - even before they re-entered the US market they established a close relationship with Rovers North - as I understand it - just to support series LR owners. Julian Baker, '66 series 11A 88 ----------------------------- Begin Original Text ----------------------------- The company (Land Rover/BMW) attitude to the use of the name seems to be hardening. ----------------------------- End Original Text ----------------------------- From Brian Neill Tiedemann Wed Nov 1 14:23:41 1995 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 14:23:41 +1100 (EDT) From: Brian Neill Tiedemann Subject: tyres, disco woes Hi all, Reading these posts concerning tyre sizes prompts me to type... I offer a little info on what the tyre sizes actually mean. The various manufacturers tend to label the real thing somewhat loosely, so for example some 7.50 16 s are larger in rolling diameter than others... Anyhow, one ROUGH idea coming right up: Sizes of the form 7.50 16, 7.00 16, 8.25x16, 750R16, 10.50 20 etc. First number is the tyre tread width in inches, the second is the rim diameter suited to the tyre. The overall height of the tyre can be simply arrived at, as the "profile" of this type of tyre is normally 100% (sidewall is as high as tread is wide). Overall rolling diameter= 2X(first number) + (second number) eg. A 7.50 16 SAT is approximately (2X7.5) + 16 = 31" tall (actually closer to 32" but you were warned). Some tyres come with the sizes simply stated in inch measures: 33X12.5X15, 9X34X16LT etc. Still others come in the dreaded Metric (ish) measures such as 225 75 16 or 235 85 16... The first number is the tread width in millimetres, the second is the profile (percentage), and the third is the rim diameter (inches). Now the profile number is simply an expression of how high a tyre's sidewall is as a percentage of its tread width. This means that a 235 85 16, for example, has a 235mm tread width, and a sidewall which is 85% as high as the tread is wide (0.85X235=199.75mm). Now cos I speyk um betta sumtimz, inches: 235mm=9.25" and 199.75mm=7.86" (or so), and by the same reasoning as above, overall rolling diameter is: 2X7.86 +16 =31.73" So in reality a 235 85 is near as dammit to a 9X32X16, and a 7.50 is just a bit skinnier and depending who makes it, possibly smaller diameter. In all of the above, letters are often mixed to and fro: R-Radial ply construction. LT-Light Truck. 7.50 16 type sizes are usually bias ply (rag) tyres unless there appears an R in these somewhere. Tyres usually have a "Ply Rating" moulded somewhere into them also. This is not necessarily the number of plys used, but an equivalent load rating. This number gives an idea of sidewall stiffness and durability: too stiff may never get spiked, but will ride like a series LR :) and be next to useless to "air down", too weak and sidewalls will develop bubble like lumps after impacts with logs or rocks, and spike all too easily. I'll try to dig out the recommended rim widths for various common tyres if people are interested.... Trivia: Silverstone make a thing called an MT117 in 235 85 16 !! Might just be the replacement for my Super Swampers...wassat 34X11 ish :) Tread is like an SAT, but one zigzag down the middle, then herring bone. Tread depth at shallowest point is in the order of 20mm (3/4"). Handling is supposed to be MUCH better than SS on road, and as capable as 9X34X16 SS offroad.... This is second hand, I am yet to see or drive a set. I have a faxed picture and the first set is around on a LC I think, others to follow (new import line for the local Silverstone wing). Small drawback: WILL NOT fit in a standard Disco wheel arch.... oh well, I don't own one anyway, and my RR is, well, modified anyway. To the guy with the Disco stalling woes in humid weather, check and clean the contact areas of all the fuses and fusible links you can lay eyes on, and ensure that the inside of fuseboxes is dry... maybe a pack of silica gel or some other dessicant. This should help to prevent contact corrosion in humid conditions. I know that glass fuses often suffer like this, as do the silly little ceramic ones with conical pads at each end- I think these are Joe's pride and joy! Blade type fuses should be less prone, as the mechanical contact is the same as a traditional spade lug. Still, easy to check and if need be fix. EFI computer if you have one, is another good place to look for dirty contacts- in fact the whole efi system. Just Ideas, Good Luck! Brian. 77 RR From rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice) Tue Oct 31 22:28:12 1995 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 22:28:12 -0500 From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice) Subject: Missing rovers Set the VCR to record the ESPN Camel Trophy thing today, but got ice hockey and mountain biking instead. Was it on ESPN-2? Checked out the November issues of "Four Wheeler" and "Off Road" for the rhino-chasing-Rover calendar, but couldn't find it in either. Is it a pull-out??...maybe they had already been nicked by the time I got there. The Rovers advertised from the Big Sky company should remain *missing*. (I used his tape to record -or try to- the Camel Trophy.) Reviewed it just before erasing it...just bombed, burnt-out, shot-up and tank-trashed hulks, not one of which was considered to be driveable. Might be able to build one out of three or so, as long as one didn't mind the extra ventialtion provided by all the .50 cal bullet holes. Caveat emptor! *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----* | A. P. (Sandy) Grice | | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia | | 1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | | E-mail: rover@pinn.net Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day) | | 804-423-4898 (Evenings) FAX: 804-622-7056 | *-----------------------------------------------------* From "John C. White III" Tue Oct 31 19:30:02 1995 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 19:30:02 -0800 (PST) From: "John C. White III" Subject: Re: 7500 warranty I've read here on the List that the 15,000 service runs about US$250. Since the LRNA and its dealerships are in business to make money, you can bet that the cheap 7500 mile service is a one-shot deal. What you might consider is changing your oil at mid points between services. If you don't do this yourself, you can go to one of the while-you-wait places, but be prepared to have to bring an oil and/or air filter from the dealer with you. This turns out to be a rip-off (about $35 for both of them), but the oil-changer places around here don't know from newer Land Rovers, so the dealers have us by the giblets on these. Cheers! John '95 Discovery San Francisco, California On 31 Oct 1995, Treit Le wrote: > To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net > I called up 3 dealers in my area and found that the 7500 mile service on a '95 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)] > Classic runs $45-54. Are all the services subsidized and equally cheap? Can you > have multiple 7500 mile services? Like every 3,000 miles for instance? From Dixon Kenner Tue Oct 31 22:58:32 1995 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 22:58:32 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest On Tue, 31 Oct 1995 Julianbak@eworld.com wrote: > I am not sure that Land Rover has abandoned the US Series LR market > altogether - even before they re-entered the US market they established a > close relationship with Rovers North - as I understand it - just to support > series LR owners. They dumped NA like a hot potato in '74. For years it was almost impossible to get parts or suppport. Their abandonment of NA lead to the initial creation of many of the older Land Rover clubs, just to keep their vehicles on the road, and the creation of ABP first in NY, then in Quebec and California to supply aftermarket parts to Land Rover owners. RN is a much newer company than many clubs etc, but were the first to strike up a relationship with LR(UK) for Series parts From "John C. White III" Tue Oct 31 19:59:11 1995 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 19:59:11 -0800 (PST) From: "John C. White III" Subject: Re: Camel Trophy '95 Video Any chance of getting a copy of the tape, Bob? We don't get ESPN-2 in my village of 6 million (San Francisco Bay Area). I'll of course pay for tape, shipping & handling, etc. Much obliged, John '95 Discovery On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Robert Watson (CNA) wrote: > To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net > I just saw the CT95 video on ESPN2 today (I played hookey this morning to see [ truncated by lro-digester (was 31 lines)] > \_/ \_/ > \_/ From dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb) Wed Nov 1 14:51:10 1995 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 14:51:10 +1030 (CST) From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb) Subject: Re: High mileage. Is it a problem ? Doug asks: > 1.) One of the 110s I'm looking at has a pretty high mileage. 240000kms > (150,000 miles). Its a 1985 model Thats pretty high in 10 years. I'm wondering if the whole truck is about to expire in a fury of nasty noises ! Its does seem in good condition, just lots of miles. Well i'd sorta hoped someone else would deal with this one but... 1. I dont think 24K km per year is a lot for a 4x4 in australia, a little more than average but not a lot. Our 12/82 built stage 1 has close to 400K ( maybe more the speedo didnt work for a year or so) As to problems well the cam/lifters/rocker gear is likely to be hosed, ours certainly is and I'd expect that the transfer case would need re-shimming. Motors typically go past 300K but it depends a lot on maintainance and what you are prepared to put up with in the way of rattles and fuel consumption, my stage 1 is pushing to break 15 mpg, a friend with a recon exchange motor (~$2K) figures on 19-21 mpg. > A friend has a 30 year old IIa 109 thats only done 116000 miles, and > they've used it pretty heavily. Its only just run in doug.......:) > Whats the expected lifetime of such things as diffs, gearbox and > engine (V8) if we assume they've been adequately maintained ? V8's common;ly mid 300's but.... Ymmv as low as high 100's and as high as 900K are reports i've heard. The salisbury diff will likely go forever provided that it gets an oil change occasionally and doesnt ingest water. the rover diff dont really know depends on use/abuse.. maybe 3-500K???? second hand or recon units shouldnt be too hard to find. the g/box and transfer variable, heard of problems within 150K, also know of others well into 500's with only re-shimming of the transfers... Your best bet would be to get a reputable rover specialist check out the vehicle. Having not owneFrom LANDROVER@delphi.com Wed Nov 01 03:12:30 1995 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 03:12:30 -0500 (EST) From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Subject: Re: Landy/BMW and US army Rovers Lloyd sez... > the exhaust note of their bikes! Maybe LR could copyright > an oil-stain? / Harley *did* copyright their exhaust sound about a month ago. Besides Harley's sound, I think that about 17 or 18 other sounds have been copyrighted. It's getting so you can't pass gas without having to pay some bozo a royalty... Cheers Mike From Cliff Kavanaugh <76262.1154@compuserve.com> 01 95 Nov EST 1905 Date: 01 Nov 95 05:09:44 EST From: Cliff Kavanaugh <76262.1154@compuserve.com> Subject: 1988 Range Rover for sale 1988 Range Rover for sale for $12,950. It has 115k miles but is in excellent condition. I live near Fredricksburg VA off I -95, between Washington DC and Richmond VA. I am NOT anxious to sell. Cheers Cliff From Gary Mitchelson Wed Nov 01 08:58:41 1995 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 95 08:58:41 -0500 From: Gary Mitchelson Subject: Re: Camel Trophy '95 Video -- [ From: Gary Mitchelson * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- > Subject: Re: Camel Trophy '95 Video > To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] > Any chance of getting a copy of the tape, Bob? We don't get ESPN-2 in my > village of 6 million (San Francisco Bay Area). I'll of course pay for tape, > shipping & handling, etc. > To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net I taped it yesterday. If anyone can dup it I am willing to send them my copy >. -- Gary Mitchelson garym@racalrecord.com From lenagham@inetmail.bachman.com Wed Nov 01 09:30:59 1995 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 95 09:30:59 EST From: lenagham@inetmail.bachman.com Subject: Re[2]: Ramblings I believe the code name for the 1987 and 1988 US spec Range Rovers was the Eagle. Mike > Subject: Re: Ramblings > Author: Jon Humphrey at inetmail [ truncated by lro-digester (was 31 lines)] > Howzat? > Jon From "John C. White III" Wed Nov 1 06:42:25 1995 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 06:42:25 -0800 (PST) From: "John C. White III" Subject: Re: Camel Trophy '95 Video Thanks, Gary. I've already got a copy coming. Maybe some else out there in Roverland will want a copy. Many thanks, John From Dixon Kenner Wed Nov 1 10:13:15 1995 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 10:13:15 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: The RoverWeb has moved to a new home. Many years ago TerriAnn wrote a short 12k file about the Land Rover for the British Cars mailing list. Little did she know that this file would eventually form the basis of a much larger document and a World Wide Web site. About three/four years ago, I took TerriAnn's short document and wrote the first Land Rover FAQ. Over subsequent months, the FAQ grew until it stabilised at approximately 99k. Later, Greg Hiner took this version of the FAQ, and a longer (115k) version and wrote the first RoverWeb for Land Rover owners on the Internet. Eventually, time restraints, load restrictions, etc. on the first RoverWeb site grew to an extent where the site had to be moved. At this time, both Ray Harder and I volunteered. After some discussion, it was agreed that Ray would take over the site, put time and effort into the RoverWeb, and help it grow further. Ray's efforts have created the best source of Land Rover information on the InterNet. The RoverWeb even managed to get publicised briefly in the latest edition of Land Rover World where it is described as "the tip for lots of stuff on specifications, parts, general maintenance etc etc is the following address: http://www.missouri.edu/RoverWeb/." It has also been described as the premier Rover site on the InterNet by others. Lately, time constraints have eaten into the time that Ray has available to maintain the site and it became necessary to move the site yet again. I and Ben Smith have volunteered to take over the RoverWeb and given it a new home. After several weeks of work, Ben and I can happily announce that it is ready in its new home. As of this morning, the RoverWeb has been moved to a new site. The RoverWeb now sits beside the Ottawa Valley Land Rovers web site, which itself carries a great amount of information (Hey, every club seems to be getting into the WWW trip, so we figured that it was about time the largest and oldest Canadian club got its Internet act together... :-)) The FAQ has again been expanded to where it is now approximately 270k in size. Many portions have been completely rewritten and greatly expanded. The Clubs section allows users to jump to other Land Rover club web sites here they are known to exist. Club information, while still incomplete, has been expanded to give more known information about existing, or past Land Rover, or Rover clubs. New sections have been added, such as the Guide to Identifying Land Rovers, production data etc. The URL's for the two new sites are: The official OVLR page http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/OVLR/ The new RoverWeb http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/RoverWeb/ Come check out the new OVLR and RoverWeb site. Regards, Dixon Kenner From Easton Trevor Wed Nov 01 10:20:00 1995 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 95 10:20:00 EST From: Easton Trevor Subject: LR Ovals US Right Canada Right Australia Either UK The Oval is in North London (Marylebone Cricket Club) Trevor Easton From lenagham@inetmail.bachman.com Wed Nov 01 09:50:28 1995 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 95 09:50:28 EST From: lenagham@inetmail.bachman.com Subject: Re: Range Rover Brake Squeal Someone posted a message last week on using some shims (or shim material) available from import auto stores in the US. I have lost my copy of that message and would like to follow up. If anyone out there still has a copy would they please forward it to me. Sorry for any inconvenience. Regards Mike Lenaghan 87 Range Rovers (2) From "Ahmad Ijaz" Wed Nov 1 08:58:56 1995 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 08:58:56 CDT From: "Ahmad Ijaz" Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest Camel Trophy 95 will be shown on regular ESPN twice around the end of November, I think its 28th and 30th. You can call ESPN at 203-585- 2236 for a recorded viewer info. service. I too could not find any pull-out calender in November issue of Four Wheeler. From Sanna@aol.com Wed Nov 1 10:52:25 1995 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 10:52:25 -0500 From: Sanna@aol.com Subject: Re: RE: Heater vents/controls '90 RR >>I have the same problem with lack of hot air flow through the fascia vents in my 90 RR County. Hot air is not supposed to flow through the facia vents, only rammed air fresh or A/C. The A/C system is completely seperate from the heating system. The dash of your RR is essentially a hollow chamber from the passenger door to the steering wheel, and then a flexible tube connects this chamber to the far left dash vent (The tube resistance is why the A/C air coming from the far right vent is so feeble. Someone online here solved the problem with a 2" auxilliary fan spliced inline.) There are two hefty fans that scoop up the air around the front seat passenger's knees, cool it and then blow it through the hollow dash and out the facia vents. The reason you don't have a glove box is because that's where the A/C element is. On most American cars the A/C & heated air paths are mixed, so during cool damp weather you can heat the air conditioned air to get warm, dry air for rapid defogging. You can't do that on the RR, so that's why they added that strange setting on the controls that blows freezing dry air out the facia vents along with hot air out the heater or defroster. Don't get intimidated by stripping the dash. It's really pretty easy, and for the most part just screws. Good luck. - Tony From Sanna@aol.com Wed Nov 1 10:58:56 1995 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 10:58:56 -0500 From: Sanna@aol.com Subject: Re: RE: Heater vents/controls '90 RR >>The clock is very stubborn and requires a bit of patience and brute force. No, no! On an '89 the clock is a piece of cake, it's the mirror controls that require the brute force. From Sanna@aol.com Wed Nov 1 11:03:23 1995 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 11:03:23 -0500 From: Sanna@aol.com Subject: Camel Trophy Video If anyone out there is duping this tape, maybe they could survey this group for additional videos. I'd be willing to buy one. And if there were enough people interested, it might pay to have a video duping service do it instead of copying it one tedious tape at a time. I've seen prices in quantities down to $3 a copy. From BobandSueB@aol.com Wed Nov 1 11:18:25 1995 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 11:18:25 -0500 From: BobandSueB@aol.com Subject: automatic choke for series Alan Richer asked,, From Erik Nystrom Wed Nov 01 09:26:36 1995 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 09:26:36 -0700 From: Erik Nystrom Subject: US Discovery Tail Lamps '95 vs '96 I own a '95 Discovery and love it! My wife and I first saw a Discovery while vacationing in Europe two years earlier. We were so taken by the looks of the vehicle that we took many pictures of hoping to see one in the US and finally buy one. In November of '94 we bought ours and have taken it on many off road adventures, several on the 4wd only trails of Canyon Lands National Park here in Utah. I have looked at a 96 Discovery and have noticed that it has an amber turn indicator section in the rear tail lamp as did the Discos we saw in Europe. Our 95 doesn't. We want those tail lamps on our '95! Does anyone know the cost of the rear tail lamps with the amber turn indicator? When I asked our local dealer, they said that they don't have a '96 parts list or prices as yet. Thanks! Erik enystrom@innovusmm.com Utah USA 95 Discovery v8i From jpappa01@interserv.com Wed Nov 1 08:55:56 1995 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 95 08:55:56 PST From: jpappa01@interserv.com Subject: Re: D110 4-SALE 4 SALE: 1993 NAS D110. #006/500. This was the first NAS D110 released for public sale. It has 15,000 miles. Has been stored over a year on blocks(!). Immaculate. Full waterproofs. Rear bed liner. Bonnet mounted spare conversion by Rovers North. 47,000 Firm. Never off-roaded. I know the owner and history of this vehicle. It has been over-maintained and detailed every time it has been in for service! A sick truck! Like its owner! He just bought land to build a house on and is raising cash. Already has a D90 Hardtop and other series landys. He asked me to help him sell his vehicle as he said he does not have time to deal with the phone calls! This 110 *IS NOT* being sold through the dealership. Serious inquiries can contact me at jpappa01@intserv.com or leave a message at 617-545-4743 and I'll return call. This is the nicest 110 I've seen (next to mine). Please to not clutter up this forum with flames about the price. D110s are going anywhere from 39900 to 48000 depending upon cosmetics and mileage. This one is outstanding on both accounts. The last D110 that Metro West sold was about 6 weeks ago. It had 21000 miles on the clock and was sold in two days for 46000. So the one I see posted in New Jersey doesn't look like such a bad deal - when placed in context! Supply and demand is the only refutable law of economics that I know of... Jim `67 2A 88 5.0L hybrid `67 2A 109 5.0L hybrid `68 2B 110 F/C diesel `70 P6B 3500S `90 Range Rover County `93 D110 (#457/500) `95 D90 #1958 Just received humongous ARB bumper and Warn winch combo for my D90. Plan to install w/110 coils in front and OME shocks all around. Will report to digest on outcome. Stupid new movie promo showing monster truck crushing a Series Landy. Totally outrageous! From Tim McDaniel Wed Nov 1 12:14:50 1995 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 12:14:50 -0500 From: Tim McDaniel Subject: Tire information and other stuff On the subject of tire sizes/information, I believe that for metric sizes (235 85 R 16), the first number is interpreted as the tire's width at it's widest measurement. This is not always equal to the tread width. The actual tread width will be determined by the tire design and manufacturer. For stiffer sidewalls the number will be closer to the tread width than for soft sidewalls. The second number is the aspect ratio that uses the tire height and the above width. There are at least a couple of tire size calculators on the Web. You might want to check out the following: http://www.di.com/Talon/Fun/TireSize.html http://www.powerdog.com/tiresize.cgi Also, my recently acquired, unnamed Series III is not yet running. Turns great, but doesn't fire. Alan Richer is coming over on Saturday to give me a hand and help do a complete evaluation. Hopefully it'll be going (running anyway) by that night. Lastly, I sent off a FAX to Merseyside in Liverpool requesting a catalog/catalogue. Much to my surprise I received it within the week. It looks like it is called the Land Rover Supermarket now so I must have had out of date information...If anyone from the U.S. or Canada has had any recent experience in ordering from these folks, would you let me know how it went and what is involved in ordering from them and bringing parts over. I would be really interested in seeing a specific order that shows costs, plus the duty that had to be payed, and the shipping costs. A lot of the catalog prices are very good, but I don't know how to guage the final costs to the U.S. Thanks, Tim +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Tim McDaniel (508) 937-3700 ext. 725 | | Adra Systems, Inc. (508) 453-2462 (FAX) | | 2 Executive Drive | | Chelmsford, MA 01824 mcdaniel@adra.com | | USA | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From "Bobeck, David R." Wed Nov 01 12:14:26 1995 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 95 12:14:26 EST From: "Bobeck, David R." Subject: iNSPECTION Hooray! The Green Car finally passed inspection, and is now legal for a whole year. I'm so excited, I can't wait to take her apart again! Off my Rocker, Dave Bobeck 72 Ser III SWB- Green Car dbobeck@ushmm.org ps- the winch is coming along ok, thanks for everybody's help/advice. From Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus 1 95 Nov EST 1912 Date: 1 Nov 95 12:40:02 EST From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus Subject: Re: Shipping and handling costs: Whenever I've dealt with an offshore entity (as in the order for my carburettor), I have always gotten a quote from them including the cost of shipping and duty. My carb (again as an example) Weber carb: 50 pounds 3 brake hoses: 9 pounds Shipping & duty:25 pounds Showed up on my doorstep in 6 days air mail. Sea mail would've been cheaper, but I didn't want to wait. Re: as-yet-unnamed S.III: You must be desperate - you're letting me at it! aj"Pass the hammer"r From Sanjay Prasad Wed Nov 01 12:58:53 1995 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 12:58:53 -0500 From: Sanjay Prasad Subject: '95 Camel Trophy Video Hi, I am relatively new to this mailing list and saw the messages regarding the '95 Camel Trophy video. If anyone can get a copy of their video easily made I would be interested in getting a copy. Of course I'll pay for the tape, shipping, handling, etc. Sanjay Prasad prasad@ba-iplaw.com Boston, Massachusetts 90 Range Rover From "John P. Casteel" <70472.557@compuserve.com> 01 95 Nov EST 1913 Date: 01 Nov 95 13:53:13 EST From: "John P. Casteel" <70472.557@compuserve.com> Subject: Old Man EMU springs From "TeriAnn Wakeman" Wed Nov 1 11:11:03 1995 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 95 11:11:03 -0800 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Subject: Re: D110 4-SALE In message <199511011701.MAA16386@butler.uk.stratus.com> writes: > 4 SALE: ; > 1993 NAS D110. #006/500. This was the first NAS D110 released for public ; sale. > It has 15,000 miles. Has been stored over a year on blocks(!). : Never off-roaded. ; A 6 year old Land Rover that has not been off road and has spent a year of its existance sitting on blocks? ; In my book that qualifies as a crime against land Roverdom ; I'm VERY sorry to read about about a Land Rover so badly mistreated! I would have rather read about the expiditions it has been on, of panels scrapped getting badly needed supplies into a remote village, of the car working on a farm ANYTHING other than a Land Rover being treated like a bearer bond. Just another part of a person's investment portfolio! Discusting treatment of a Land Rover! TeriAnn From russ burns Wed Nov 1 12:08:46 1995 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 12:08:46 -0800 From: russ burns Subject: Re: D110 4-SALE Yea, I was kind of wondering who would be dumb enough to a rover on blocks, instead of putting the blocks inside, or driving over the blocks. (i like playing with blocks) Maybe we should start a NON-profit organization to buy up non-abused rovers and start abusing them like they deserve........ Russ At 11:11 AM 11/1/95 -0800, you wrote: >To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net >In message <199511011701.MAA16386@butler.uk.stratus.com> writes: [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)] >; >A 6 year old Land Rover that has not been off road and has spent a year of its >existance sitting on blocks? >; [ truncated by lro-digester (was 17 lines)] >another part of a person's investment portfolio! >Discusting treatment of a Land Rover! >TeriAnn From Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus 1 95 Nov EST 1915 Date: 1 Nov 95 15:40:52 EST From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus Subject: Re: D110 4-SALE > ...006/500 NAS 110... Sounds like one of my wife's limited-edition collector's dolls. What good is a Rover that you can't play with? I'll take my 109, thanks - plenty of dents and repairs and a story in every one. aj"Just say no tabula rasa Rovers..."r From "Tim Chapman" Thu Nov 2 08:11:47 1995 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 08:11:47 +1000 From: "Tim Chapman" Subject: HAYNES Manuals Does any one know if Haynes have released a manual for the '94 3.9l Discovery? Regards, TC From "Jim Carius" Wed Nov 1 13:41:50 1995 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 13:41:50 -0800 From: "Jim Carius" Subject: Defender 90 Prices After lusting for a Land Rover for 20 years, I'm almost ready to take the plunge. I'll probably end up looking for a decent older truck, but.... The Defender 90 looks pretty nice. Of course, there is one small problem ... they're one of the current 'trendy' cars here in Northern California, and the prices seem to be a little out of hand. I'm gonna try and see what I can do, but if anyone knows the approx. dealer cost for one of these beauties it'd sure help... Thanks! Jim Carius, LR Owner-to-be carius@gene.com From Robert Dennis <73363.427@compuserve.com> 01 95 Nov EST 1916 Date: 01 Nov 95 16:29:23 EST From: Robert Dennis <73363.427@compuserve.com> Subject: Old Man Emu Springs I have a 1990 RR that had developed the "Land Rover Lean" and so as soon as I saw that RN was selling the Emu springs, I decided to order a set. The installation is fairly straight forward. I did have a good bit of trouble with rusted fasteners. I ended up breaking a front shock trying to remove the lower nut (Not a big deal since I was replacing it anyway). The biggest problem by far though was the plate that holds the bottom of the rear springs to the axles. There are two bolts on each side that go into a nut plate welded to the axle. I used copious amounts of liquid wrench, along with a propane touch in order to remove them, and still ended up breaking two and having to drill them out. If it wasn't for these rear bolts, I could have easily done this is 3-4 hours, if not less, but it took two days instead. (I recently helped someone but the springs on a D90 and the design was changed so that there is no longer a nut plate, but I don't know when the design was changed). I also used a spring compressor, but if I had had an assistant I think I might have been able to do with out it. I also had a good bit of difficulty with the cotter pin on the upper rear shock mounts, they too had become fused to the mount due to rust. I have really been impressed with the ride that the new springs/shocks have given me. It is a good bit firmer than with the stock suspension, yet without becoming too harsh. (Of course anything is better compared to driving a series vehicle). These springs seem to be much more progressive than the stock springs also it has noticibly decreased my body roll. (I don't have sway bars) I would recommend to anyone installing these, that some sort of penetrant be applied to all the fasteners for a few days prior to installation especially on the older vehicles or those that have been in the salt belt. Rob ------------------- | | | | _ _ ____|____ _ _ | Rob Dennis O |[___|>>>>>>>>>|___]| O 73363.427@Compuserve.com \____===_=====_===____/ Atlanta, GA USA |oo |(_)###(_)| oo| | | ### | | 1972 SerIII 88 | | ####### | | 1990 RangeRover |_____|_#######_|_____| [_______________________] |\/| |\/| Send By: Rob Dennis 73363.427@Compuserve.com On 01-Nov-1995 From jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben) Wed Nov 1 17:26:54 1995 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 95 17:26:54 EST From: jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben) Subject: Solexes on v8 SUCK!!! Dear List: I Spent some time yesterday changing oils on Juan. The guys who sold it to me supposedly did a complete service on it before delivery. Well, the diffs produced grey watery foamy stuff, sludge came out of hub housings, distributor points were shot, and the cap/rotor/wires were of original vintage. Vel, are you listening? Anywho, the good news is that I like the Lucas distributor. It has that great movable plate that lets you adjust dwell angle externally while running. Good idea. I forgive them the F16 landing gear snafu. OTOH, the dual Solexes on the v8 are awful! I get better milage out of my 5.0 Bronco, and lots more torque. For C. sake, I had to choke the thingies to rev over 3,000 under load. My land speed record stands at 70 MPH. I KNOW the fireball can do better than that! Zo, any spare SU's out there? Any (1st hand only, svp) experience with the Offy or Edelbk and Holley? Or Webers? Dr. Hardcastle in his v8 book mentioned an Isky cam, that can be obtained for measly $94 US. Any before and after comments on that? Patiently awaiting your replies, Jan jib@big.att.com From "Francis J. Twarog" Wed Nov 1 17:53:39 1995 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 17:53:39 -0500 (EST) From: "Francis J. Twarog" Subject: Old news This may be old news to some, but a while back I mentioned that Land Rover World published a blurb about airbags being fitted to UK Defender 90s in 1997 (done to US spec.) and I went on to fantasize about those vehicles finding their way over here... well, a few sources have confirmed a strong rumor that the Defender 90 will return to the shores of North America in either 1997 or 1998. So, if you miss out on the last '95s, wait a year! To those who couldn't find the poster in Four Wheeler mag, it was found outside of the back cover wrapped in plastic along w/ the magazine itself. Also, keep up with that publication, because they took delivery of (another) Def 90 two months ago and planned on doing some modifications/ long term tests/ off-road reports on the vehicle in the coming months. Lastly, I can't remember if I told folks on the digest about a friend of mine who painted his 90's fiberglass hardtop to match his car (green w/ a white roof panel). I have to admit it did look superb!! If the paint holds up 6 months from now, I'm sure I'll be doing the same to our blue one. Frank Twarog Burlington, VT From "TeriAnn Wakeman" Wed Nov 1 14:53:38 1995 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 95 14:53:38 -0800 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Subject: Re: Defender 90 Prices In message <199511012142.QAA16660@butler.uk.stratus.com> "Jim Carius" writes: ; ; After lusting for a Land Rover for 20 years, I'm almost ready to take the > plunge. I'll probably end up looking for a decent older truck, but.... ; > The Defender 90 looks pretty nice. ; > Of course, there is one small problem ... they're one of the current ; 'trendy' cars here in Northern California, and the prices seem to be a > little out of hand. I'm gonna try and see what I can do, but if anyone ; knows the approx. dealer cost for one of these beauties it'd sure > help... ; When they sell that last 500 of them out, you won't be able to purchase a new one period, so I wouldn't wait too long. I suspect that knowing the end of US Defender availability is coming dealers may be a little less apt to discount the cars. If I didn't already have a 109 I would be driving around in a yellow D90 with black steel wheels wondering how to mount that roof tent. ; While many people seem to collect several members of a model I just can't seem to justify two cars with the same basic role to play in my life. But I can justify a Land Rover and a TR3 because they are both very different cars best at very different things. I think I can justify a TR4 addition because with roll up windows, dual speed wipers & snugger fitting top it is a better bad weather car than the TR3. ; have desire, will rationalize ; TeriAnn From John Brabyn Wed Nov 1 15:33:12 1995 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 15:33:12 -0800 (PST) From: John Brabyn Subject: Re: Old Man Emu Springs On 1 Nov 1995, Robert Dennis wrote: > To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net > I have a 1990 RR that had developed the "Land Rover Lean" and so as soon as I [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] > I have a 1990 RR that had developed the "Land Rover Lean" and so as soon as I > saw that RN was selling the Emu springs, I decided to order a set. Robert -- is the new ride height higher? Cheers John From John Brabyn Wed Nov 1 15:37:18 1995 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 15:37:18 -0800 (PST) From: John Brabyn Subject: Re: Old news Sure hope the rumor about the D-90 returning in a year or so is true -- it's about the first GOOD rumor I've heard lately! The one about the Range Rover Classic being discontinued, which seems to be true according to LRO, depressed me a bit... Cheers John Brabyn 89 RR From ASFCO@aol.com Wed Nov 1 18:39:08 1995 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 18:39:08 -0500 From: ASFCO@aol.com Subject: Re-Galvanizing anybody know of a quality source for having parts Re-Galvinized??? British Northwest did some work which was good, but .....$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ get the picture Steve 72 Series lll 88 From Doug.Forehand@Eng.Sun.COM (Douglas W. Forehand) Wed Nov 1 15:44:07 1995 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 15:44:07 -0800 From: Doug.Forehand@Eng.Sun.COM (Douglas W. Forehand) Subject: Re: Defender 90 Prices > From LRO-Owner@uk.stratus.com Wed Nov 1 14:19:06 1995 > Of course, there is one small problem ... they're one of the current [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] > little out of hand. I'm gonna try and see what I can do, but if anyone > knows the approx. dealer cost for one of these beauties it'd sure help... >From Edmunds: ************************************************************ Make: Land Rover Model: Defender 90 Year: 1995 Class: Sport Utility Drive AWD Built: Solihull, England Warranty: Basic - 3/42,000 Drivetrain - 3/42,000 Rust - 6/Unlimited Roadside Assistance - 3/42,000 Dealer Holdback: Unknown ************************************************************ DEFENDER 90 (1995) Dealer Invoice MSRP --------------- -------------- ---- SLNZ 4WD 2-Dr (5-spd) 25790 28650 Destination Charge: 625 625 Specifications: 1995 Land Rover Defender 90 Length: 160.5 Engine, Liters: 3.9 Width: 70.5 Displacement: 241 Height: 80.2 Horsepower: 182 Wheelbase: 92.9 Torque: 232 Curb Weight: 3560 Steering Ratio: 19.3 Min. Gross Weight: 6003 Turning Circle: Max. Gross Weight: N/A Fuel Tank: 15.6 Min. Cargo Capacity: N/A Transmission: 5M Max. Cargo Capacity: N/A EPA Manual: 13/16 Cylinders: 8 EPA Auto: N/A ---------------------------------------------------------------- Standard Equipment DEFENDER 90: 3.9 liter V8 OHV engine, permanent four-wheel drive, two-speed transfer gearbox with manual locking center differential, 5-speed manual gearbox, suspension (four-wheel long-travel coil spring suspension at all four wheels, live axles front and rear located by radius arms and trailing links, front and rear anti-sway bars), BF Goodrich all-terrain 265/75R16 all-season radial tires on styled steel wheels, front bucket seats with adjustable recline and headrest, unique weather-resistant twill-effect upholstery, full tonneau cover, front and rear rubber floor mats, fastback style covertible top with removable sliding side-door windows, audio (incls premium high-power AM/FM stereo cassette, 4 weather-resistant speakers, mast-mounted antenna system, lockable radio security/weather protection cover), 4-wheel power assisted disc brakes, integral front head restraints, "Safari" roll cage system, swing-away rear- mounted outside spare tire, dual adjustable exterior mirrors, 2-speed front wipers with intermittent feature, quartz halogen headlamps, full instrumentation including tachometer, Class III trailer tow hitch receiver, flexible black wheel flares with integrated black bumpers. Accessories - Air Conditioning 1530 1800 - California Emissions 100 100 - Beluga Black Paint 250 300 - Removable Hardtop 1120 1400 From "John Y. Liu" Wed Nov 01 16:28:59 1995 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 16:28:59 -0800 From: "John Y. Liu" Subject: Re: Camel Trophy Video -- Copyright Issues >If anyone out there is duping this tape, maybe they could survey this group >for additional videos. I'd be willing to buy one. [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] >duping service do it instead of copying it one tedious tape at a time. I've >seen prices in quantities down to $3 a copy. Note the potential of copyright violations from copying and distributing a tape of ESPN's broadcast, especially if the tapes are being "sold". I'd suggest interested people just try to watch and/or videotape ESPN's airings of the Camel Trophy themselves. If tapes are to be duplicated, I suggest it be done by private e-mail, duplicates made singly rather than in bulk, no money change hands, and -- most important -- that the list not be used for/involved in the process. Sorry to be a spoiler but the copyright laws even apply to us LROs. From "Robert Watson (CNA)" Wed Nov 1 15:32:37 1995 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 15:32:37 -0800 From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" Subject: Rhino Calendar The Rhino calendar was included with the Nov. issue of "Four Wheeler" in a plastic bag. If the magazine does not come in a plastic bag, then I'd bet someone already has the rhino on their wall. _____ /___|_\___ Bob Watson | | | \ 6405 235th Place SW |---|___|___\____ Mountlake Terrace, WA 98043 | _| | | _ }\ [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}| '95 Beluga Black Discovery \_/ \_/ _/ From Andy Dingley Wed Nov 01 23:42:26 1995 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 23:42:26 GMT From: Andy Dingley Subject: 12V sockets James Mobley <70302.2516@compuserve.com> writes: > When is someone going to come up with a 12 power connector that is > less clunkly than the lighter sockets? I'm using RS Loudspeaker plugs (part# 171-102) Moulded plastic, waterproof sockets when sealed into a panel, 4 x 20A rated gold flashed contacts with a bayonet lock. They're not the strongest connectors I've ever seen, but they do have a high current rating and are dirt cheap (2.50 or so each half). (RS is a UK firm that dominates the professional electronics component market. They also have a "hobbyist" mail order section called Electromail) From "Robert Watson (CNA)" Wed Nov 1 16:34:49 1995 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 16:34:49 -0800 From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" Subject: Tilt Tests I was perusing the new Rover Web and reading about the New Range Rover when this caught my eye... Tilt Test Both V8 engines and the BMW diesel engine have been subjected to Land Rover's unique off-road tilt test. No other manufacturer in the world uses such an extreme test. The objective of the test is to ensure that engines can operate in the most extreme off-road conditions and that oil supply and pressure operates correctly at extreme angles. Engines are tested at varying angles of up to 45 degrees nose up and nose down, with a tilt of up to 35 degrees either side. The engines undergo tests for 25 hours at each of the four extremes at maximum power and maximum torque. Is this testing common to other LR's (e.g. D-90 & Disco)? _____ /|__|_\___ Bob Watson | | | \ a-robw@microsoft.com |---|___|___\____ Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA | _|= |= |o_ }\ [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}| '95 Beluga Black Discovery \_/ \_/ N7UMU N7UMU From asmith@BayNetworks.COM (Andrew Smith) Wed Nov 1 17:39:28 1995 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 95 17:39:28 PST From: asmith@BayNetworks.COM (Andrew Smith) Subject: Re: 12V sockets Does anyone know of an equivalent company over here in the US? One of the biggest things I miss being exiled over here is having an RS catalogue on the shelf in the kitchen. It's easy to find most other important things in life like LBCs, Land-Rovers, B.A. spanners (sic), Sam Smith's, Twining's Earl Grey, Crumpets and Marmite :-) Andrew Smith Palo Alto CA USA '60 Healey 3000 Mk.I '96 Discovery > (RS is a UK firm that dominates the professional electronics component > market. They also have a "hobbyist" mail order section called > Electromail) From CALLanyVEG@aol.com Wed Nov 1 20:44:40 1995 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 20:44:40 -0500 From: CALLanyVEG@aol.com Subject: RE: shirt offa my back/abs brakes just got my triathalon shirt from the ROAV. Whatta beaut ! Thank's again. Also, this is a general post, I am a former '88 RR owner, who because of numerous circumstances had to part with that beloved vehicle. I am now in the market for a '89 or newer model RR. Clearly I intend to upgrade to the 3.9 engine, however a well-respected mechanic has told me the models with ABS have problems with this system. Anybody with an ABS-equiped RR have any experience (good or bad) with their brakes, please do tell. EVAN From asmith@BayNetworks.COM (Andrew Smith) Wed Nov 1 17:57:34 1995 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 95 17:57:34 PST From: asmith@BayNetworks.COM (Andrew Smith) Subject: Re: Tilt Tests Rob, I think for the Discovery what they mean is: even if you roll it onto its side or roof, the engine will *still* operate at full power and torque and the wheels will still be rotating 25 hours later .... now that's what I call solid British engineering practice :-) Andrew Smith > > Tilt Test [ truncated by lro-digester (was 19 lines)] > > Is this testing common to other LR's (e.g. D-90 & Disco)? From Robert Dennis <73363.427@compuserve.com> 01 95 Nov EST 1921 Date: 01 Nov 95 21:10:19 EST From: Robert Dennis <73363.427@compuserve.com> Subject: Reply to: Re: Old Man Emu Springs >> Robert -- is the new ride height higher? << Yes, I guess the change in height would be somewhat dependent on the shape of your old springs, but I would say that it raised it just over an inch. If someone needs a more precise number, I guess I could take some measurements off the vehicle so as to compare...Let me know Rob ------------------- | | | | _ _ ____|____ _ _ | Rob Dennis O |[___|>>>>>>>>>|___]| O 73363.427@Compuserve.com \____===_=====_===____/ Atlanta, GA USA |oo |(_)###(_)| oo| | | ### | | 1972 SerIII 88 | | ####### | | 1990 RangeRover |_____|_#######_|_____| [_______________________] |\/| |\/| Send By: Rob Dennis 73363.427@Compuserve.com On 01-Nov-1995 From TONY YATES Thu Nov 2 10:32:39 1995 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 10:32:39 +0800 (WST) From: TONY YATES Subject: Re: 12V sockets > > (RS is a UK firm that dominates the professional electronics component > > market. They also have a "hobbyist" mail order section called > > Electromail) RS, what an unfortunate name. (At least here in Oz where RS means something entirely different). I take it RS means RadioSpares? Cheers. ========================================================== @@@@@@@@@@@@ Tony Yates @@@@@@@@@@ Bureau of Meteorology @@@@@@@ Port Hedland @@@@ Western Australia @@@@ @@@ ph: (091) 401 350 @@@ fax: (091) 401 100 @@@ @@@ email: A.Yates@bom.gov.au @@ @ ========================================================== From SKOOKILL@aol.com Wed Nov 1 21:41:25 1995 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 21:41:25 -0500 From: SKOOKILL@aol.com Subject: LAND ROVERS SIGN ME UP!!!!! I LOVE MINE! From "John C. White III" Wed Nov 1 18:58:40 1995 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 18:58:40 -0800 (PST) From: "John C. White III" Subject: Re: D110 4-SALE Abuse them like they deserve? I suddenly have visions of Land Rovers with those silly leather bra things some people put on Suzuki Samurais and other such. Come see "Dominatrix Land Rover Vixens," a film by Russ Meyer appearing at a theatre near you. Cheers! John '95 Discovery (Whip me! Beat me! Make me write bad checks!) On Wed, 1 Nov 1995, russ burns wrote: > To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net > Yea, I was kind of wondering who would be dumb enough to a rover on blocks, [ truncated by lro-digester (was 30 lines)] > >another part of a person's investment portfolio! > >Discusting treatment of a Land Rover! > >TeriAnn From matts@cacilj.caciasl.com (Matt Snyder) Wed Nov 1 17:42:35 1995 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 17:42:35 -0800 From: matts@cacilj.caciasl.com (Matt Snyder) Subject: rhino calendar At least for me, Four Wheeler was in an plastic sleeve that contained both the magazine and the calendar. The sleeve was not sealed, so if you got the sleeve but not the calendar it's possible it just fell out. -Matt From TONY YATES Thu Nov 2 11:31:44 1995 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 11:31:44 +0800 (WST) From: TONY YATES Subject: Yet another movie sighting. The movie Sarafina has the bad guys, ie SA police, screaming around at high speed (yes it is possible, perhaps they were modified :-) ) in white 109 SIIs. Cheers. Tony. From JCassidyiv@aol.com Wed Nov 1 23:01:12 1995 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 23:01:12 -0500 From: JCassidyiv@aol.com Subject: Old Man EMU Springs Just got my '87 RR back from my mechanic today, after he fitted the OME springs I mentioned in the earlier post. Distance between front axle housing and bump stop increased from 2.25 inches to 3.75 inches on both sides. Distance in the rear increased from 3 inches to 4.25 inches on the right and from 3.75 inches to 5 inches on the left. The vehicle rides somewhat stiffer, but is not rough. The height increase is noticeable when entering and exiting the vehicle, though. There was a good article on fitting these springs in the June 1995 issue of Four Wheeler magazine. They claim it to be a 4-5 hour process. My mechanic completed it in a very full afternoon. He said the front springs were more difficult to change. I'm not sure of the spring rates of these sets, but I'm sure that Laney at Rover's North would be happy to let you know. I fitted these springs with the standard Bilstein shock set-Laney seemed to think that their length would be sufficient. I'll let you know-after my nect off-road stint ;-). The next thing will be larger tires! Regards! John Cassidy...Bangor, Maine From Robert Dennis <73363.427@compuserve.com> 01 95 Nov EST 1923 Date: 01 Nov 95 23:09:45 EST From: Robert Dennis <73363.427@compuserve.com> Subject: Delayed Sighting I can't believe I was the only one who saw this commercial but I haven't noticed any other posts regarding it. I caught the tail end of a commercial during the world series, which I believe was for Bud Lite, but it starred a SerIIa 109? (I just got a quick glimpse) and a bunch of monkeys stealing beer out of a cooler on the roof rack. I was hoping that it would be replayed, but I haven't seen it again, so maybe someone else can provide more details. Great clip though Rob ------------------- | | | | _ _ ____|____ _ _ | Rob Dennis O |[___|>>>>>>>>>|___]| O 73363.427@Compuserve.com \____===_=====_===____/ Atlanta, GA USA |oo |(_)###(_)| oo| | | ### | | 1972 SerIII 88 | | ####### | | 1990 RangeRover |_____|_#######_|_____| [_______________________] |\/| |\/| Send By: Rob Dennis 73363.427@Compuserve.com On 01-Nov-1995 From dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb) Thu Nov 2 15:44:00 1995 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 15:44:00 +1030 (CST) From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb) Subject: Re: RS > RS, what an unfortunaFrom Mr Ian Stuart Thu Nov 2 08:16:18 1995 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 08:16:18 +0000 From: Mr Ian Stuart Subject: Re: The RoverWeb has moved to a new home. On 1 Nov 95, Dixon Kenner wrote: I'm having problems with www.ridgecrest.ca.us as a host -- my DNS cannot find it. Please can someone confirm the address is correct..... Thanks.. ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer) +44 31 650 6205 Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. or From LANDROVER@delphi.com Thu Nov 02 03:16:42 1995 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 1995 03:16:42 -0500 (EST) From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Subject: Re: Delayed Sighting Rob Denis sez.. > I caught the tail end of a commercial during the world series, which I > believe was for Bud Lite, but it starred a SerIIa 109? (I just got a quick > glimpse) and a bunch of monkeys stealing beer out of a cooler on the roof > rack. I was hoping that it would be replayed, but I haven't seen it again, / My Dad saw the commercial and told me about it. I haven't seen it yet... Cheers Mike From Richard Jones Thu Nov 2 10:04:11 1995 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 10:04:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Richard Jones Subject: Re: The RoverWeb has moved to a new home. Ian Stuart writes: > > The new RoverWeb http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/RoverWeb/ > I'm having problems with www.ridgecrest.ca.us as a host -- my DNS cannot [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] > find it. > Please can someone confirm the address is correct..... The address is corrent. The machines real name appears to be owens.ridgecrest.ca.us, but if that also fails its IP address is 199.120.150.1 __ _ __ Apricot Computer Limited ' ) ) / 3500 Parkside Tel: (+44) 121 717 7171 /--' o _. /_ Birmingham Business Park Fax: (+44) 121 717 0123 / <_<_(__/ <_ BIRMINGHAM B37 7YS Richard Jones United Kingdom Email: richardj@apricot.mee.com From Stephen Thomas 2 95 Nov GMT 1911 Date: 2 Nov 95 11:03:15 GMT From: Stephen Thomas Subject: Australian in-jokes on the net - what next? Come on Tony, It's not fair to keep us in suspense - what does RS stand for in OZ? Over here it means just one thing, and most people I know would know what. RS components can be seen in every high street in any branch of Tandy's. But to what were you referring? I feel insecure about mentioning other brand names now, just in case. But that may just be more to do with me :) If because I'm on digest then this question comes after the answer, then ignore the above message and look at the lovely ASCII pic of 'Andy' attached. Thanks to Dave Bobeck for the inspiration.... Steve /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ / /-\ /---------------\ /-\ \ | | | | | | | | | \-/ | | \-/ | |______|_______________|______| /~~~~~~| |~~~~~~\ |o| |[] | |o| |O/ | | \O| || | | || Stephen Thomas ||______|_______________|______|| 1964 IIa Diesel 'Andy' \_ | | _/ 0121-452-1405 |~\_________|_{}_|__________/~| Thomse-u@m4-arts.bham.ac.uk |~-_-~|) (|~-_-~| |~-_-~| |~-_-~| ['Andy': except for the XCL's :)] ~---~ ~---~ From dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb) Thu Nov 2 23:02:33 1995 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 23:02:33 +1030 (CST) From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb) Subject: Re: Australian in-jokes on the net - what next? > It's not fair to keep us in suspense - what does RS stand for in > OZ? Over here it means just one thing, and most people I know would > know what. Steve it means pretty much one thing over here too, and it aint Radio Shack... The more polite version is Ratchet Screwdriver. The common usage sounds similar to the first word Rat-chet. Should I continue hmmmm ??? RS: A small to medium sized rodent's solid waste metabolic by-product if it still aint clear I'd better take this off-line.... cheers -- Daryl Webb (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au) From Easton Trevor Thu Nov 02 07:49:00 1995 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 95 07:49:00 EST From: Easton Trevor Subject: Why Dixon has a Saab News report on this mornings radio tells of California Highway Patrol stopping a Saab with a "lady" standing up through the sunroof with the wind in her hair and everywhere else. She was quoted as saying she liked to feel the wind on her skin. Dixon, does your Saab have a sunroof? From Easton Trevor Thu Nov 02 07:49:00 1995 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 95 07:49:00 EST From: Easton Trevor Subject: email address Alistair Lowe, if you read this or if anyone has Alistair's email address, please contact me. I need some stuff from Dave Lowe. Thanks in advance. Trevor Easton for Toronto Area Rover Club teaston@dqc2.dofasco.ca From hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com Thu Nov 02 08:57:22 1995 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 95 08:57:22 EST From: hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com Subject: Abuse Were we all to "abuse" (see dictionary if necessary) our L-Rs as badly as we abuse the English language in some of these posts, there wouldn't be enough of them left to support this list. (I'm an engineer *and* an artist, so I have _my_ excuse.) Anybuddy wanna join me in a class acshun lawsuit agenst are gradescool teechers for not teeching us to spell good? I want to be sudenly rich enuff to abuse my Rovers like they deserve. Counting on offending only those who are even more paranoid than me, Hank (self-appointed defender of civilisation) ;-) From Stephen Thomas 2 95 Nov GMT 1913 Date: 2 Nov 95 13:17:18 GMT From: Stephen Thomas Subject: Re: Australian in-jokes on the net - what next? Awwww-geeeee, *Now* I'm blushin.....should've guessed I suppose %) Steve /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ / /-\ /--------------\ /-\ \ | | | | | | | | | \-/ | | \-/ | |______|______________|______| /~~~~~~| |~~~~~~\ |o| |[] | |o| |O/ | | \O| || | | || Stephen Thomas ||______|______________|______|| 1964 IIa Diesel 'Andy' \_ | | _/ 0121-452-1405 |~\_________|_{}_|_________/~| Thomse-u@m4-arts.bham.ac.uk |~-_-~|) (|~-_-~| |~-_-~| |~-_-~| ['Andy': except for the XCL's :)] ~---~ ~---~ From Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus 2 95 Nov EST 1908 Date: 2 Nov 95 8:55:30 EST From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus Subject: For those of us with pickup roofs... I've been racking down an odd leak in my 109. It turns out that the roof, which is made up of two pieces (rim and center) rivited together and sealed, seems to have developed a leak in the sealing material between the steel rim and aluminum roof panel. A bead of RTV should do it for this problem. but I thought someone else might benefit from a mention of it... WHat idiot invented a two-piece roof? Clever these British....8*) aj"Just say wet"r From "John C. White III" Thu Nov 2 06:13:02 1995 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 06:13:02 -0800 (PST) From: "John C. White III" Subject: Re: Delayed Sighting I saw the commercial too, but only once on the World Series. It didn't seem to be one of those one-off special event commercials, so I'd imagine it will be aired again. Keep your eyes pealed. Cheers! John '95 Discovery On Thu, 2 Nov 1995 LANDROVER@delphi.com wrote: > To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net > Rob Denis sez.. [ truncated by lro-digester (was 17 lines)] > My Dad saw the commercial and told me about it. I haven't seen it yet... > Cheers > Mike From Rob Bailey Thu Nov 2 07:23:31 1995 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 07:23:31 -0700 (MST) From: Rob Bailey Subject: Re: Camel Trophy '95 Video All: If no money is being exchanged, I can't see that any copyright laws are being broken. I would be be more than happy to watch it myself on ESPN, but since I can't get ESPN, I can't watch it! Gary: I would really like to get a copy of this video, if it is worth it. I don't mind making copies for other people (although I don't especially want to be making 25 copies, either!). Let me know, Rob baileyr@cuug.ab.ca >I taped it yesterday. If anyone can dup it I am willing to send them my copy >. >Gary Mitchelson From "John C. White III" Thu Nov 2 06:40:52 1995 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 06:40:52 -0800 (PST) From: "John C. White III" Subject: Re: Abuse You say "civilisation," I say "civilization." Altogether now, To-may-to, to-mah-to. Po-tay-to, po-tah-to. Let's call the whole thing off. Non-morphophonemic languages are such a pain to deal with. (Red alert! That sentence ended in a preposition!) Yeah, some of us have trouble with spelling and grammar. Some of us can't type to save our Land Rovers. Fortunately, doing well on an English exam doesn't seem to be a criterion for Land Rover ownership. Later, Dude! John '95 Discovery San Francisco, California On Thu, 2 Nov 1995 hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com wrote: > To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net > Were we all to "abuse" (see dictionary if necessary) our [ truncated by lro-digester (was 21 lines)] > than me, > Hank (self-appointed defender of civilisation) ;-) From Dixon Kenner Thu Nov 2 09:46:42 1995 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 09:46:42 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re: Why Dixon has a Saab On Thu, 2 Nov 1995, Easton Trevor wrote: > News report on this mornings radio tells of California Highway Patrol > stopping a Saab with a "lady" standing up through the sunroof with the wind > in her hair and everywhere else. She was quoted as saying she liked to feel > the wind on her skin. Dixon, does your Saab have a sunroof? Unfortunately not, but if I put one in I wonder if I get the "lady" too... :-) From Martin_Eglitis@nih.gov (Martin Eglitis) Thu Nov 2 10:00:00 1995 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 10:00:00 -0500 From: Martin_Eglitis@nih.gov (Martin Eglitis) Subject: Re: Delayed Sighting The commercial is for Bud Light and is funny, but I've got to believe that the driver/passenger aren't real LROs. No self-respecting LRO would lose track of their beer. There is another commercial I've seen a couple of times the last few months where a couple of beautiful people drive a Land Rover into the jungle searching for a Mayan/Aztec type city to find super tropical fruit-flavoured candy (StarBurst? Something else?). You see the LR climbing steep stairs to enter a temple filled with fruit falvoured candy! **************************************************************** | Martin Eglitis Lab of Cell Biology | | Phone: (301) 402-1641 NIMH, Bldg. 36 Rm. 2D10 | | FAX: (301) 480-2437 36 Convent Dr MSC 4068 | | sveiks@codon.nih.gov Bethesda, MD 20892-4068 | **************** Wherever you go, there you are **************** From DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Thu Nov 02 08:40:54 1995 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 95 08:40:54 MST From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Subject: FTP available for Rover images??? FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 SUBJECT: FTP available for Rover images??? Dixon (and Ben) Is there an address where I can "anonymous ftp" the LR images? I tried the "www.ridgecrest.ca.us" machine but after searching all over, I couldn't find them. Please help! Thanks, #=======# ________ We make a living by what we get, |__|__|__\___ /__/__|__\___ we make a life by what we give. | _| | |_ |} \_/-\_|__/-\_|} "(_)""""""(_)" (_) (_) Winston Churchill From DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Thu Nov 02 08:56:49 1995 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 95 08:56:49 MST From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Subject: Discovery tail lamps. FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 SUBJECT: Discovery tail lamps. Erik, I had a '94 Discovery, and noticed the blank part of the tail light. Did you notice that it has a hole in it where you could easily put in a bulb? All you'd have to do is splice it into the turn signal wiring. Only thing is that it'd be a red turn indicator instead of the amber color. I was going to do that... before I had to sell it. :-( But now I have 3 Rovers! :-) But right now, all 3 are down for repairs. :-( But parts should arrive Today for the 109. :-) And the RR is getting a new higher performance cam and valve job. :-) And, to top it all off, I've recently received word that the parts I ordered *in July* have left the UK and are now in transit! :-) So life is *peachy*! ;-) Dave ;-) Brown #=====# #========# -------,___ ________ |___|__\___ |___|__|__\___ |--' | | \_|_ /__/__|__\___ | _ | |_ |} | _ | | |_ |} | _ |--+--|_ | \_/-\_|__/-\_|} "(_)""""(_)" "(_)"""""""(_)" ||_/_\___|__/_\_|} (_) (_) (_) (_) 1971 "88" IIa 1970 "109" IIa 1994 Discovery (Sold) '87 Range Rover LIC: LION B8 Historic plates (Too hard to "draw") rear Lock-Right #=======# ________ We make a living by what we get, |__|__|__\___ /__/__|__\___ we make a life by what we give. | _| | |_ |} \_/-\_|__/-\_|} "(_)""""""(_)" (_) (_) Winston Churchill From James Mobley <70302.2516@compuserve.com> 02 95 Nov EST 1910 Date: 02 Nov 95 10:50:13 EST From: James Mobley <70302.2516@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: San Bernardino Discovery! Christopher Boese writes, >>Actually, my Discovery's beluga black ('95, just automatic trans.) I just broke 1000 miles this weekend, but I'm already working my way up to some off-road trips by exploring some of the more difficult paved access roads around Lake Arrowhead. The Discovery seems to be bored with where I've taken it so far. I'm interested especially in finding some of the old routes into the mountains, like the City Creek toll road, or what's left of them. If you have any suggestions let me know (keeping in mind shiny black paint and no 'roo bars up front.) If I find some interesting roads I'll get back to you on those too. Thanks for writing. Christopher, Beluga Black eh, nope, haven't seen that one. What's left of the City Creek toll road is highway 330. If you have John Robinson's "The San Bernardinos" check out chapt. 16. He describes how the road, initally a 25% grade at the top was regraded in 1915-17 and again in late '40s to the current 7% max. I think there may be a few remainants of the old road as cutoffs and there may be a little of it up in Fredalba, but most of it is paved now as 330. Clark's Grade is still open as Forest Road 1N54. Take 38 to Angelus Oaks. At the west end of the large chain-up area just east of town turn left on 1N12 (unsigned) a well graded dirt road. When you get to the bottom of the hill take the bridge over the Santa Anna river and in a quarter mile or so turn left on 1N09. Keep following the signs to Clark's Grade. Where 1N54 branches off to the right from 1N09 there is a sign that warns of a locked gate ahead. If it hasn't snowed yet, ignore it. (The Forest Service closes the area at the top of the ridge south of Big Bear Lake for cross-country skiing in the winter and this is when they lock the gate.) Keep heading up 1N54 and immagine doing it in a Model T! You will reach a false summit with a fork in the road, stay right, the left fork leads to a dead end and is lined with paint eating Whitethorn. This was the main road to Big Bear through most of the first half of this century and in fact was in regular use until highway 38 was completed in 1961. (Again Robinson's book is a great resource.) This road will not challenge your Discovery and you won't even need low range. When you get to the (presumedley open) gate a left takes you to Big Bear the shortest way. The old Morman road is mostly under highway 18, but a few remains can be seen from the momument near Crestline. It is undrivable. If you want to really see what your Discovery can do, take Holcomb Valley road north from Fawnskin, past the Hanna Flat campground and turn left on 3N93. This gets hard right after you cross Holcomb Creek. Yes you can climb the steep hill without locking diffs and yes you can drive through the rock piles without touching the rocks with anything but tires and no it hasen't gotten worse since I last drove it. If you are worried about the paint take along some hedge clippers, the road is starting to get overgrown. (I got a rather extensive collection of pinstripes when I drove it last month. They all waxed out, for the most part, however. (If you haven't discovered Orange Empire Carwash, across the street from Walmart in Redlands, now's the time. Wash, hand wax, Armor-all, interior cleaning all for $45 and they do a good job.) Another tough one is from Crab Flats campground, near Green Valley lake, to Deep Creek, near Lake Arrowhead, on 3N34. I haven't driven this one recently, but I don't remember any bushy sections. Be ready to take your Discovery swimming at the end of this one. Neither of these last two should be attempted solo if you are new to off-roading. For any off-highway SBNF trips the Forest Service's secret decoder map is a must. Get it at any ranger station. (I've been told that the road #s make sense, but no one has ever been able to explain the system.) Are you going on any of the dealer sponsered off road trips Veterans Day weekend? We're going to Death Valley with our dealer, Bauer Motors. The trip sounds fun, but I got the itenerary in the mail last week and I know most of the places they're going to lead us and none are very challenging. Of course they get a lot of people who have never driven on a gravel road before, so they have to strike a balance. Staying at the Furnace Creek Inn (AAA 4 diamonds), eating catered food on the trail, I think we'll have fun even if the trails aren't real "interesting." Have fun with that new Discovery! **Those aren't scratches they're desert pinstriping!** Jim San Bernardino, CA, USA 70302.2516@compuserve.com From RMILLER@Middlebury.edu (Raoul Miller) Thu Nov 2 11:00:45 1995 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 11:00:45 +0000 From: RMILLER@Middlebury.edu (Raoul Miller) Subject: Re: Defender 90 prices According to Edmunds Price Guide on the WWW (gopher://www.dc.enews.com:70/00/showroom/edmunds/newcars/land/landdefe.95) the dealer cost is $25790, MSRP is $28650 and delivery charge is $625. Hope this is helpful Good Luck, Raoul From lenagham@inetmail.bachman.com Thu Nov 02 11:05:35 1995 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 95 11:05:35 EST From: lenagham@inetmail.bachman.com Subject: Consumer Research on Range Rovers I received aletter yesterday from a Michigan based company called PACE (Product and Consumer Evaluations Ins). They were looking for Range Rover owners in the Boston area to take part in a "study". The study is intended to evaluate the general cosmetic condition of vehicles to see how well various materials and components are holding up in day-to-day usage. As far as I know the offer is for Range Rovers only. The survey will take less than 30 minutes per vehicle and they will pay me $100. Has anyone heard of this outfit? $100 for letting someone look at my Rover sounds like a good deal. They promise that there is no sales promotions attcahed to the offer. They are merely collecting the info for the "automobile industry". They have a toll free number 1-800-783-0540 to call and make an appointment. You have to call between 9 a.m. and 5 p.m. (I assume Detroit time). Mike 87 Range Rover From Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus 2 95 Nov EST 1911 Date: 2 Nov 95 11:29:25 EST From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus Subject: Series II turn Signal stalk - different from S.II? In thumbing through my manuals I've noticed that the Series IIa late and Series III turn-signal returner thingy (I love technical terms...) seems to be of a design that does not require a puck wheel. If so, how does the b****y thing work, and does anyone think it'll fit an SIIa? Tired of tendonitis... -Alan From "Mark E. Kraieski" Thu Nov 02 11:45:14 1995 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 95 11:45:14 -0800 From: "Mark E. Kraieski" Subject: Request Comments: Hennessy LR, GA I would like comments (good, bad or indifferent) on Hennessy Land Rover in Atlanta (actually, Alpharetta, GA, USA). I am interested in quality of service, honesty, reliability, customer support for warranty claims, etc. I may be purchasing a D90 there very shortly. Also. There must be some LROs on the list from the Atlanta area. If so, I'd love to hear from you. Especially if you are one of the 2 locals who had ARBs installed. Mark Kraieski From jeff@purpleshark.com (Jeffrey A. Berg) Thu Nov 2 11:59:22 1995 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 11:59:22 -0500 From: jeff@purpleshark.com (Jeffrey A. Berg) Subject: Re: 12V sockets James Mobley <70302.2516@compuserve.com> writes: > When is someone going to come up with a 12 power connector that is > less clunkly than the lighter sockets? Providing the amperage in moderate, you can use BNC type connectors, commonly used for sending video signals on professional video equipment. The connecter is compact, and locks into place with a half twist. As long as it's wired correctly in the beginning, you can't screw up polarity. LittleLite, the company that originated the flexible stalk light much loved by audio engineers, uses such a connection and many sound boards have a 12V BNC mounted. Available in several mounting styles from Radio Shack. Just don't screw up and send 12VDC into the VIDEO INPUT of your $60,000 BetaCam deck. ;-} Keep on Roverin' JAB == == Jeffrey A. Berg Purple Shark Media Rowayton, CT jeff@purpleshark.com ***** Look what happens when you love someone, and they don't love you. --Warren Zevon, The Heartache == == From sherrell@wilbur.etc.gandalf.ca (Steve Herrell) Thu Nov 2 17:04:33 1995 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 95 17:04:33 GMT From: sherrell@wilbur.etc.gandalf.ca (Steve Herrell) Subject: RR Rear Hubs From jeff@purpleshark.com (Jeffrey A. Berg) Thu Nov 2 12:07:36 1995 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 12:07:36 -0500 From: jeff@purpleshark.com (Jeffrey A. Berg) Subject: Re: Delayed Sighting > I caught the tail end of a commercial during the world series, which I >believe was for Bud Lite, but it starred a SerIIa 109? This one first ran during the Superbowel. When it came on I was ROTFL! You'll see it periodically during sporting events that Bud Lite sponsers, though I haven't seen much of it recently. I guess they "revived it" for the Series. == == Jeffrey A. Berg Purple Shark Media Rowayton, CT jeff@purpleshark.com ================== Love is fine until you taste This melancholy bouillabaisse called letting go Jimmy Buffett == == From Benjamin Allan Smith Thu Nov 02 09:24:14 1995 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 1995 09:24:14 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Subject: Re: FTP available for Rover images??? (fwd) In message you wrote: > Is there an address where I can "anonymous ftp" the LR images? I tried the > "www.ridgecrest.ca.us" machine but after searching all over, I couldn't find > them. All of the images from the OVLR page are now at: ftp://owens.ridgecrest.ca.us/pub/users/bens/images. And are accessable via anonymous ftp. It will take a bit more effort to do that for the RoverWeb since all of the images aren't in the same directory. Ben From KKelly6788@aol.com Thu Nov 2 12:33:46 1995 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 12:33:46 -0500 From: KKelly6788@aol.com Subject: Royal Land Rover: If anyone has a wife or girlfriend that reads Town & Country Magazine, turn to page 147 in the November ‘95 issue. There is a great picture of David Viscount Linley (the son of Princess Margaret) in his blue Series 3 on a cliff above the blue Caribbean water. The caption reads “Lord Linley’s preferred transport, a Land Rover." From "Francis J. Twarog" Wed Nov 1 17:42:38 1995 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 17:42:38 -0500 (EST) From: "Francis J. Twarog" Subject: trivia Well, the answers to yesterday's trivia, as I understand are: The LR logo should be found on the side opposite of the steering wheel - at least, that is how they should have left the factory. As for the code names of '87 and '89 US Range Rovers, they were "Eagle" and "Osprey" respectively. O.K., for today, two more easy ones (that is, if you know the answers) - First, every Land Rover model's wheels are interchangeable except for one model - which one? Next, has the LR factory ever built a vehicle with a galvanised frame from new? Frank Twarog Burlington, VT From matts@cacilj.caciasl.com (Matt Snyder) Thu Nov 2 10:28:00 1995 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 10:28:00 -0800 From: matts@cacilj.caciasl.com (Matt Snyder) Subject: Camel Trophy Video Not to be a party pooper, but be careful not to flagrantly violate copyright by advertising duped copies on the net. -Matt From don@direct.ca (donald l. macdonald) Thu Nov 02 11:23:59 1995 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 1995 11:23:59 -0800 From: don@direct.ca (donald l. macdonald) Subject: Galvanizing Steve and anyone else interested, I took all my old galvanized medal off the truck, windscreen included, during my restoration and had it sandblasted. The local guy changed me about $120 cash. Then I took to EBCO, who does all sorts of medal finishing, and had it hot dip galvanized. That cost me $96 with tax at about $.20/pound. The final product was ROUGH and shiney but the sun and rain made it dull again and it looks real nice with my new paint. Don From Paul Moruzzi Thu Nov 2 13:48:12 1995 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 95 13:48:12 EST From: Paul Moruzzi Subject: Pace RR condition study? Anybody else get a letter from PACE Product and Consumer Evaluations, Inc, looking to study the cosmetic condition of Range Rovers in the boston area? It says Dear Range Rover owner, I called them up andsaid that I owned a Land Rover and they said it qualified. They want me to bring it to Peabody next weekend to evaluate its cosmetic condition. The bribe to do this is $100, Think they may be supprised by my 72 88 currently in 4 colors and no interior;-) Guess I'll have to get it running in the next couple of days. Anyone else get one of these?? PVM -- _______________________________________________________________________ / Paul V. Moruzzi \ | Mail Stop - MS-460 E-Mail: pmoruzzi@an.hp.com | | Patient Monitoring Division (PMD) | | Hewlett Packard HP Telnet: 1-659-7850 | | 3000 Minuteman Road Voice: 1-508-659-7850 | | Andover, Ma. 01810-1099 Fax: 1-508-685-5372 | \_______________________________________________________________________/ From "Guzelis.Pete" 2 1995 Nov U 1910 Date: 2 Nov 1995 10:57:21 U From: "Guzelis.Pete" Subject: RE: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest Anyone have any experience with Locking Differentials for the Disco. I have a'94 model and was told by the L/R mechanic that a locker is preferred to having a winch. Experiences, comments?? _______________________________________________________________________________ From asmith@BayNetworks.COM (Andrew Smith) Thu Nov 2 10:55:09 1995 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 95 10:55:09 PST From: asmith@BayNetworks.COM (Andrew Smith) Subject: Yet another yet another movie sighting. Film crew on 101 this morning with a shiny black D110 trailered with a film camera on the front of the trailer, at speed, followed by an escort of 3 or 4 police cars: kind of looked like a remake of the OJ chase (and they say the black paint doesn't show blood-stains ....). This was in San Francisco down by the Bay near the stadium formerly known as Candlestick :-) Watch your screens for that one .... Andrew Smith Palo Alto CA USA '96 Discovery (yes, it's back at the dealer's for yet another attempt to fix the door-latches ...) From matts@cacilj.caciasl.com (Matt Snyder) Thu Nov 2 11:03:01 1995 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 11:03:01 -0800 From: matts@cacilj.caciasl.com (Matt Snyder) Subject: rhino calendar At least for me, Four Wheeler was in an plastic sleeve that contained both the magazine and the calendar. The sleeve was not sealed, so if you got the sleeve but not the calendar it's possible it just fell out. -Matt From NADdMD@aol.com Thu Nov 2 14:05:02 1995 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 14:05:02 -0500 From: NADdMD@aol.com Subject: Heed Ye Well All Who Read!! For All of you who have not RECENTLY checked the oil level in the steering box, DON'T drive your LR again until you do! As many of you may know, I'm in the middle of a frameover restoration of my 67 88" SIIa. A couple of weeks ago, I removed the steering box and noticed one bolt of the side plate was missing. Opening the fill plug showed no oil left in the steering box. Expecting no more than worn out bearings I took it to a local shop for a overhaul. RESULTS: The inner column and outer races need replacing! The parts and labor involved in this would run nearly as much as replacing the assembly with a new one (from Rovers North)----$800. NOW for the catch-22, IF you have a LHD, you would have to wait a LOONG time for a replacement steering box assembly, they've been back-ordered since May '95. Luckily (if one is an eternal optimist) I have RHD and will have it in two weeks. Further, although the SIII inner column and steering box assembly is much cheaper, I was told by RN that it is not an easy conversion and may not work very well. My Suggestion and Personal Plan: Check the steering box oil level as often as the engine oil. Regards, Nate Dunsmore Rocking Horse Farm Boring, MD USA 21020 NADdMD@aol.com From JAMES_CIRBUS@HPATC2.desk.hp.com Thu Nov 2 14:16:00 1995 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 95 14:16:00 -0500 From: JAMES_CIRBUS@HPATC2.desk.hp.com Subject: Use/Abuse, sightings, etc... Greetings, At this, our one year anniversary, (me and the D-90) I would like to reflect on a few things. Waving- In 8500 miles of travel, I have had exactly ONE (another D-90) Land Rover/Range Rover owner return a wave. Do Range Rover owners know what a Defender is? Do they care? Use/abuse- Recent discussions about the 110 on blocks brings up another point. I spent a weekend in Wayne National Forest with a local 4X4 club. Many of the members were surprised to even see a Defender, let alone meet one on the trail. In trying to educate the crowd, I joined the group going on the "Ironman" run. By the end of the day, no one doubted the capability of Land Rover Products. When someone finally worked up the intestinal fortitude to ask, all were amazed at the price-tag on the Defender. Moral....? Don't be quick to lash out at the owner of that 110. It has been as close to the trail as most Landrovers around here. (Battle scars here can be traced to grocery carts and car doors.) Lastly.... 1. Saw a red series Rover driving through brush fires on a late-night BP commercial. It was followed by a Landcruiser fording a stream (up to its hood in water). 2. The movie Outbreak, with Dustin Hoffman, has some old series 88's getting vaporized by a fuel-air bomb in the beginning. Regards, Jim Cirbus 94 D-90 #730 No, the hood's not unlatched..... But thanks for asking. From nadyne@bccom.com Thu Nov 2 15:29:04 1995 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 15:29:04 -0500 From: nadyne@bccom.com Subject: Re: San Bernardino Discovery! Being a newbie Disco owner and off-road driver, I've been wondering when I would get my first opportunity to take my Rover off road. Well, yesterday afternoon, I had to drive into New York City from my office on Long Island. I enjoyed my first taste of it as there is a stretch of the Long Island Expressway (I 495) that is a perfect beginner experience! Then, this morning coming into work, I had my chance to see how it handles as a "wader" - half of the roads I traveled this morning were flooded. I LOVE MY ROVER! and I wonder how many of you had the change to practice your off road skills on a main interstate road?? From RICKCRIDER@aol.com Thu Nov 2 14:21:57 1995 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 14:21:57 -0500 From: RICKCRIDER@aol.com Subject: HELP PLEASE....... All: Suddenly, with no prompting whatsoever, I've found myself subscribed to the list in DIGEST form. Don't like it at all. Have to do all sorts of strange things to get to it, not nearly as easy to pick and choose, save, delete, or respond to. Anyone else had this happen? What gives? How do I get back to the 'real time' list. Please email me direct with your response, as I may not be able to get to it in the digest. Thanks. Cordially: Rick Crider Monroe NC 66 Slla 109" Hugo .......and still for sale...... 73 Slll 88" Jesse 88 Range Rover From Robert Dennis <73363.427@compuserve.com> 02 95 Nov EST 1915 Date: 02 Nov 95 15:09:08 EST From: Robert Dennis <73363.427@compuserve.com> Subject: Ride height. >> Rob, I'd be interested in your before and after ride height, or if you don't have before, at least your "after" height. Please, if you get the chance, let me know at which point you measure, and what it is. Seems like the distance between the axle and bump stop would be a good location to measure, but maybe difficult to measure. << David, As soon as it stops raining here (Could be next week :( ) I will measure the axle to stop dimensions, so that we can compare mine to those just posted. I think mine springs may have settled a little since they were installed so it will be interesting to compare the two sets. Be back soon Rob ------------------- | | | | _ _ ____|____ _ _ | Rob Dennis O |[___|>>>>>>>>>|___]| O 73363.427@Compuserve.com \____===_=====_===____/ Atlanta, GA USA |oo |(_)###(_)| oo| | | ### | | 1972 SerIII 88 | | ####### | | 1990 RangeRover |_____|_#######_|_____| [_______________________] ~~~~|\/|~~~~~~~~~~~|\/|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |\/| |\/| Send By: Rob Dennis 73363.427@Compuserve.com On 02-Nov-1995 From asmith@BayNetworks.COM (Andrew Smith) Thu Nov 2 12:16:58 1995 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 95 12:16:58 PST From: asmith@BayNetworks.COM (Andrew Smith) Subject: Re: US Discovery Tail Lamps '95 vs '96 Erik, > I have looked at a 96 Discovery and have noticed that it has an amber > turn indicator section in the rear tail lamp as did the Discos we saw > in Europe. Our 95 doesn't. We want those tail lamps on our '95! I just saw a '95 and you're right - they look wrong! One of the many strange cultural differences you have over here is flashing red stop-lights as turn indicators and hazard flashers. I think amber looks much more aesthetically pleasing on any colour scheme (except perhaps Red). Of course things look even better with yellow rear number plates ..... :-) Andrew Smith Palo Alto CA USA '60 Healey 3000 Mk.I | shiny black with *red* flashers '96 Discovery | shiny black with *amber* flashers From jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben) Thu Nov 2 16:33:00 1995 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 95 16:33:00 EST From: jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben) Subject: carbs, cams and distributor for the (older) v8 Hello, dear List: I got a few replies regarding my Stromberg/Solex induction on a 3.5 v8. In summary, 70% say SU=Solex > Holley for off-road, <= Holley for street. 30% say Holley/Webers are better, but $$, esp. Webers. Most agree that EFI is the best. (When did they switch to EFI on US Rangies?) I am still unsure what to do, as Craddocks wanted L76 for the 2 Solex kits 8o and I have an off-road prepped Holley350 and a pair of 45DCOE Webers in my posession. Dunno yet. Also, nobody commented about an aftermarket cam vs. stock (Dr. Hardcastle approved a cam swap). And, Mallory makes a distributor (dual points or optical pick-up, w/wo vac.), any 1st-hand experience? I like the Lucas for that external point adjustment thingy. C'mon people, tell me what you know! I got more replies from the british car list last time, and there are WAY more v8's in LR than in MGs and TVRs out there! Jan From "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> 02 95 Nov EST 1916 Date: 02 Nov 95 16:33:39 EST From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Range Rover Power Steering >I have a slow leak in the power steering box on my '89 RR. Some sources tell >me that the box can be rebuilt and others have said that it must be replaced. On pre-92 RR it's just another 'feature' for the PS-box to start "leaking", when the climate gets cold and damp, and miraculously becoming dry again come springtime (a box for all seasons %-) ) As long as the steering doesn't actually drip and dribble and is just plain 'wet' or has wet patches, don't worry about it. Rebuild: *Don't*. I have yet to meet a RR owner who 'rebuilt' his steering box and didn't screw it up worse than it was before. If you replace it, get a new type box, not the same old-type S**t. The new ones (which supposedly don't ever leak) are painted green, as opposed to black on the old ones. I *think* the new good ones are (ta-daaa!) US-made - possibly Westinghouse (do they make PS?) >Any tips on the best PS fluid to use? or is any Dextron II as god as the >next? Plain vanilla ATF is best. (IMHO, of course...) Stefan From "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> 02 95 Nov EST 1916 Date: 02 Nov 95 16:33:32 EST From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: one curiosity ? >I have a Land Rover 88" of the 1985. This is my first and only one car. >She has some particulars: the front is of the 88" but the back is of the 90". >The stop lamp on the top and the indicators light bottom. <...snip...> ... >The engine is different from another of mine friend 88" (1979??) ... >P.S.I forget that the front brake are of the 109" Series breakfast and the arse of a 90... 109 drum brakes... Doesn't that ring a bell, anyone? Ok, look underneath again and tell me if you see leaf springs. Yes? And all this on a 1985 model? Then we're looking at a spanish-built SANTANA. (YRMV - your Rovers may vary) Stefan From russ burns Thu Nov 2 14:20:07 1995 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 14:20:07 -0800 From: russ burns Subject: Re: Ride height. I installed ARB heavy duty springs on my RR and the height is 3 inchs higher than my friends stock 90 RR. My wife is not very impressed. The ride is fine, it seems she has a hard time jumping in and out or the beast. Russ Burns 91 RR 94 D-90 At 03:09 PM 11/2/95 EST, Robert Dennis wrote: >To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net >>> Rob, I'd be interested in your before and after ride height, or if you [ truncated by lro-digester (was 41 lines)] >Send By: Rob Dennis 73363.427@Compuserve.com > On 02-Nov-1995 From Ted VanDecar Thu Nov 2 13:54:29 1995 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 13:54:29 -0800 From: Ted VanDecar Subject: Texas LR Clubs Outings? My son, an Air Force pilot stationed in Del Rio, Texas, is a new LR owner. Anyone in the Hill country, San Antonio, Del Rio, Austin interested in outings? He would like to contact any LR clubs in Texas. He doesn't have net access, so I will forward information, or one can contact him directly: Chris Van Decar '94 D90 "Slo-Mo VI" 111 Garden Crest Del Rio, Texas 78840 phone 210-774-2316 Thanks and warm regards, Ted Van Decar From jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben) Thu Nov 2 17:56:44 1995 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 95 17:56:44 EST From: jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben) Subject: Haynes SII/III FS this is mainly for US lro. I have a new Haynes SII/III manual (unopened :) - $22 (my cost). Also, the 90/110 diesel Haynes - same price, or whatcha got in yer garage? And ... any interest in a Rover 8 to Series adaptor kit ? I saw an ad asking L100. Sounds like a better conversion than plopping in a F*rd (trolling, trolling ...) Jan From RICKCRIDER@aol.com Thu Nov 2 20:04:45 1995 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 20:04:45 -0500 From: RICKCRIDER@aol.com Subject: Back on Track...... Me again....... After finding myself suddenly 'unsubscribed' to the regular list.....and 'subscribed' to the digest version, I may be back on track. I wrote the Major and reversed everything....and it seems to be working now. Please disregard my earlier posting requesting help on this. .........Still don't know what happened........ Rick Crider 66 Slla 109" Hugo ............for sale.............. 73 Slll 88" Jesse 88 Range Rover From morison@alumni.caltech.edu (Dark Dream Mists) Thu Nov 2 17:34:09 1995 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 17:34:09 -0800 (PST) From: morison@alumni.caltech.edu (Dark Dream Mists) Subject: Land Rover Magazine Would someone post the address for Land Rover Magazine. Thanks- -Janine morison@alumni.cco.caltech.edu From DRead813@aol.com Thu Nov 2 20:34:27 1995 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 20:34:27 -0500 From: DRead813@aol.com Subject: Land Rover bit maps Does any one have a .bmp file of the Rover name plate or of an S-II? If so, could you e-mail me a copy? Please send to dread813@aol.com Thanks David Read Ann Arbo, MI From rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice) Thu Nov 2 23:07:55 1995 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 23:07:55 -0500 From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice) Subject: D-110 on blocks. I too was distressed to hear of the D-110 mistreated in such a fashion. One of the recurring themes on one of the other lists that I subscribe to (the Border Collie digest, BC-L@cornell.edu) is the "rescue" of ill-treated dogs or ones that are cooped up and cannot get enough mental/physical activity. If you know border collies, you know they are happiest when they are working/playing hard...just like Land Rovers. Maybe we should go "rescue" this D-110 or similar ones that aren't being used to their fullest potential. Cheers *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----* | A. P. (Sandy) Grice | | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia | | 1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | | E-mail: rover@pinn.net Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day) | | 804-423-4898 (Evenings) FAX: 804-622-7056 | *-----------------------------------------------------* From jpappa01@interserv.com Thu Nov 2 20:37:06 1995 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 95 20:37:06 PST From: jpappa01@interserv.com Subject: Re: Misc. - The D90 availability has gotten bad overnight. Automaster had five left at beginning of week - now none. Metro West has one left (my white demo). We even sold the one which will be used in the New England