From "James" Sat Sep 30 15:04:56 1995 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 15:04:56 GMT0BST From: "James" Subject: MAX REVS? With regard to the recent discussions on the subject... I have a 1960 series II 2.25 petrol (standard no mods.) Original box Standard diffs, 205/16 wheels Fairey OD. I have managed speeds in excess of 85mph out of this machine and I was wondering if it was possible to calculate the engine RPM from the various gear ratios. I suspect that it may be slightly above the ROVER recommendation for the "red-line" but I was curious to know if anyone had the figures to work it out. If you have any ideas and time to waste on maths.... I would be curious to know, Thanks, James. From (Tom Rowe) Sat Sep 30 09:46:06 1995 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 95 09:46:06 EDT From: (Tom Rowe) Subject: Re: weber On Fri, 29 Sep 1995 17:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Stuart Moore wrote: >Hello all: > A friend has a weber carb. conversion on his series III and >is having problems with hesitation and general rotten running. >Does anyone out there have a book on the carb. Snip Which model is it? Haynes has a manual on the Webers, including the 2bbl used in LR conversions. Tom Rowe UW Center for Dairy Research Madison, WI 53706 | Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck wk 608-265-6194 | in places even more inaccessible hm 608-243-8660 From Roy_H._Caldwell@desktop.org (Roy H. Caldwell) 30 1995 Sep GMT 1915 Date: 30 Sep 1995 15:33:48 GMT From: Roy_H._Caldwell@desktop.org (Roy H. Caldwell) Subject: Re: engine timming The reason John Muir, The Idiot Book author, made a distinction between air- and water-cooled regarding timing is as follows. Strobe timing requires the engine be run up while standing still. The danger for air-cooled is that the engine will get little or no cooling during the process and the timing will tend to be off due to the heat build-up during the process. Water cooled have no such problems. There is no real reason that water-cooled can not be correctly timed using the static timing method. Normally strobe timing is considered more accurate. Knowing how to do both would be good info. Using strobe while at home and use static timing for repairs in the field are required. I have used both with good results. There are 12v strobe lights but they require that Joe Lucas is behaving nicely. Roy - Rovers in the Rockies -- ......................................................................... WestNet, the Information Service for People with a Passion for this Place Modem: 406-442-3697 (28,800/8-N-1) Info via Internet: westnet@desktop.org Sponsored by Desktop Assistance, Inc. Info via Internet: info@desktop.org ......................................................................... From Andrew Grafton Sat Sep 30 16:07:08 1995 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 95 16:07:08 BST From: Andrew Grafton Subject: Re : Max RPM ? > With regard to the recent discussions on the subject... > I have a 1960 series II (specs snipped) Is this a 109" or an 88"? > I have managed speeds in excess of 85mph out of this machine and I > was wondering if it was possible to calculate the engine RPM from the > various gear ratios. Crikey! Double my usual cruising speed! That is possible without going over the red line. Assuming; That you were going down a 1:10 with a following tornado in the wake of a supremely large juggernaut. If the 85 is actual (road speed) on a 109 with 205's on, you'd be able to do it (just) in 4th OD because the decrease in ratio of the wheels would be cancelled out by the increase in the OD. (picture of car going slowly and small wheels whizzing round like mad) An 88" shouldn't have much trouble, revwise, with an OD and discounting air resistance. Below is my 'on the dash' rev chart for our 109" SIII, Standard 'boxes with 7.50X16 tyres. The radials we have on now make the speed for a given rpm slightly higher as they are about 1" overall bigger than the crossplies. bear in mind that if you have 205's on a 109" then your actual speed will be nothing like the indicated speed? Speed 1st 2nd 3rd 4th Rev 5 952 649 438 318 809 10 1903 1298 875 635 1617 15 2855 1947 1313 953 2426 20 3806 2596 1750 1270 3234 25 4758 3245 2188 1588 4043 30 5709 3894 2625 1905 4851 35 6661 4543 3063 2223 5660 40 7612 5192 3500 2540 6468 45 8564 5841 3938 2858 7277 50 9515 6490 4375 3175 8085 55 10467 7139 4813 3493 8894 60 11418 7788 5250 3810 9702 65 12370 8437 5688 4128 10511 70 13321 9086 6125 4445 11319 75 14273 9735 6563 4763 12128 80 15224 10384 7000 5080 12936 At 85 in 4th we'd be doing about 5800 rpm, and with an overdrive that would be well within the scope of a petrol engine. Not that we do more than 3000 on a regular basis in our diesels!!! I think that when you take into account the changes in tyre size and diff ratio between an 109" and an 88" they cancel out, so the above chart may apply? Please, someone, correct me if I'm wrong! For tyre sizes different to those specified in the manual, the figures above will change. For example, a set of 205R16s is different to a set of 6.50X16s. I can't find out the exact Fairey Overdrive ratio. If anyone knows, please tell me! All the best, Andy A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk Sorry about the confused nature of this post - I am immersed trying to design airbag systems which are *somewhat* different! From "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> 30 95 Sep EDT 1911 Date: 30 Sep 95 11:26:24 EDT From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: RR mass flow sensor > I have a question related to the fuel/air topic. My "flap type" mass flow > sensor has a fair amount of rust-colored grunge in the plenum, on the intake > side of the flap. Since the shop manual has a procedure for cleaning the Methinks what you're looking at is the throttle butterfly and not the air flow sensor. The air flow sensor proper, containing the infamous spring-loaded flap, is the little 'box' with the black plastic top sitting between the air filter and the plenum chamber inlet, with two flex hoses on either side, and a big fat multi-plug connected to it. The grunge on and around the plenum inlet is mainly baked/cruded oil fumes coming from the crankcase breather which enters the plenum just before the throttle disc. The hot crankcase fumes meet with cool outside air, condensate on the disc and inside the plenum, and the result is this unseemly grunge. Diesel is actually good stuff to wash this mess off, brake cleaner will also do. In reiteration of previous caveats, I'd advise not to use petrol or methylated spirit (... *BOOOM*) Stefan From (Tom Rowe) Sat Sep 30 11:23:12 1995 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 95 11:23:12 EDT From: (Tom Rowe) Subject: Re: engine timming On 30 Sep 1995 15:33:48 GMT Roy wrote: >considered more accurate. Knowing how to do both would be good info. Using >strobe while at home and use static timing for repairs in the field are >required. I have used both with good results. Exactly what I do. When I got rid of my VW I put the timing light I'd made in my field spares box. >There are 12v strobe lights but they require that Joe Lucas is behaving nicely. I've only ever used 12v strobe lights. Never had a problem, even on Land Rovers. Tom Rowe UW Center for Dairy Research Madison, WI 53706 | Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck wk 608-265-6194 | in places even more inaccessible hm 608-243-8660 From Wdcockey@aol.com Sat Sep 30 22:10:08 1995 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 22:10:08 -0400 From: Wdcockey@aol.com Subject: Bulkhead Repairs The repair sections from Rovers North are galvanized which is wonderful for corrosion protection. However, the zinc must be ground off of the surfaces to be welded. Wear a good dust mask since inhaling zinc is not healthy. Both individual sections as well as the complete footwell unit are listed. RN also lists door post (hinge pillar) replacements. I haven't done any bulkhead repairs yet, but the experience is clearly in my future. Here is what a search of my archives have produced in the way of published materials. Land-Rover Series I, II & III, Guide to Purchase & D.I.Y. Restoration, Lindsay Porter, Haynes, 1992 pp 90-92: 11 photos with captions. Replacement of complete footwell with replacement unit on new panel on one side, and large patches on the other. pp 133-136: 14 photos with captions of Series I bulkhead repairs Not a lot of details but helps in understanding the procedure. Practical Classics on Land Rover Restoration, Brooklands, pp 19-22: photos & captions on major repairs to a Series I bulkhead. Additional repairs to rot later discovered under the windscreen are mentioned further on. (This book is the tale of a Land Rover purchased with the intent of making limited repairs to get it back on the road, and then continuing the restoration while it was driven. It turned into a major rebuild of the entire vehicle. Does this sound familiar to anyone?) Land Rover Owner (LRO) (the magazine, not the mailing list) March 1995, pp 76-78: One of a series by Robert Ivins on restoring an early Series II. A brief description and photos of major repairs to a bulkhead. July 1994, pp 84-85: One of a series by Robert Ivins on restoring a Series I. A brief description and photos of major repairs to a Series I bulkhead. Land Rover World May 1994 pp 65-71, June 1994 pp 64-68 Two installments in a series by Jerry Glenwright on the restoration of an early Series II. These two cover the repair of a door hinge pillar using replacement parts. The discussion is rather detailed, although confusing at times without having dismantled a hinge pillar. After repairing one hinge pillar the decision was made to replace the bulkhead with another because of the extensive repairs required on the other side. A used bulkhead was obtained which required repairs. July 1994 pp 70-75: Another from the same series. Removal of the bulkhead without as major disassembly as the official manual calls for. Again a lot of detail. August 1994 pp 28-32: Footwell patching from the same series, including access to the footwells for repairs. The repairs are not as extensive as replacing the entire footwell. September 1994 pp 64-69: The last of the series which covers replacing the bulkhead bracket at the bottom of the hinge pillar. As with the others there is plenty of detail, but it can be a bit confusing if you are not actually doing the work. These are the most detailed, and probably the best discussion of bulkhead and hinge pillar replacement I have seen. Unfortunately, by Sept. 1994 issue was the last for Mr. Glenwright had vanished from the masthead and subsequent DIY repair articles have been much more cursory. The books and LRO back issues: LRO Bookshop Anglian House, Chapel Lane Botesdale, Diss, Norfolk IP22 1DT 01379 89011 01739 898244 Fax Land Rover World back issues LRW Back Issues Dept Hainault Rd, Little Heath Romford, Essex RM6 5NP 0181-597 7335 0181-599 5965 Fax From PDoncaster@aol.com Sat Sep 30 22:49:40 1995 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 22:49:40 -0400 From: PDoncaster@aol.com Subject: IIA 88 Steering Box I'm about to start the rebuilding of the steering box on my IIA 88. I'm 90% sure it's the origin of my sloppy steering. Any one out there done this, got any advice!? Also, about these floor heat shields, are they a catalog item or custom? Peter Doncaster New Orleans, USA '64 IIA 88" SW PDoncaster@AOL.com Snorkel equiped, waiting for the next flood. From PDoncaster@aol.com Sat Sep 30 22:53:51 1995 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 22:53:51 -0400 From: PDoncaster@aol.com Subject: Radio placement Jan Ben writes: > Also, can you recommend a place to fit a radio? Jan The previous owner of my 88 mounted the radio and CB against the bulkhead behind the front seats, specifically, behind the middle seat. My middle seat has a recess in the back,(could be custom) anyway, the knobs face up, and you have to lean the seat foreward to make adjustments, but it's out of the way and out of sight. Peter Doncaster '64 IIA 88 SW From Wdcockey@aol.com Sat Sep 30 23:57:44 1995 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 23:57:44 -0400 From: Wdcockey@aol.com Subject: Re: Max RPMs Engine Speed to Road Speed Equations (within limitations of text only) Gearbox (transmission), transfer case, over drive and axle ratios are all expressed as ratio of speed in to speed out. All Series Land Rover have axles with 4.70:1 ratio (unless modified) Fairey Overdrive ratio is 0.782:1 with the overdrive engaged, 1:1 with overdrive not engaged. Overall Ratio is the ratio of engine speed to tire rotational speed (i.e. how fast the tire is spinning - usually expressed in rpm) Overall Ratio = Gearbox Ratio * Transfer Case Ratio * Overdrive Ratio * Axle Ratio (See tables below) The formula for tire rotational speed to road speed is: Tire rotational speed = Road speed / (2 * PI * Rolling Radius) * Units Conversion Factor English Tire rotational speed (rpm) = 168 * Road speed (mph) / Rolling Radius (inches) Metric Tire rotational speed (rpm) = 2.65 * Road speed (kph) / Rolling Radius (metres) I've included the 2 * PI in the constant. Rolling Radius is the distance from the center of the wheel to the ground. Measure from the center of a hub cap to the ground with your LR parked. Rolling Radius increases slightly with speed, but the difference can be disregarded at LR speeds. So then: Engine speed = 168 * Overall ratio * road speed (mph) / rolling radius (in) Engine speed = 2.65 * Overall ratio * road speed (kph) / rolling radius (m) Or if you want to calculate road speed: Road speed (mph) = 0.00595 * Rolling radius (in) * Engine speed (rpm) / Overall ratio Road speed (kph) = 0.377 * Rolling radius (m) * Engine speed (rpm) / Overall ratio Go measure your tires, pick your prefered engine speed, and look up the appropriate overall ratios below. Then calculate your shift points. Or use the other formulas to find out how much you flog your engine. If you have overdrive multiply the overall ratios below by 0.78 for overdrive engaged. Be very careful of trying to add and subtract % changes. Engaging the overdrive DECREASES your ENGINE SPEED by 22% at constant road speed, but INCREASES your ROAD SPEED by 28% at constant engine speed. Since changes in ratios and tire size are multiplicative, percent changes for multiple changes do not simply add. Get out the calculator or use a spreadsheet instead. 15.1 mph per 1000 rpm engine speed in 4th gear, high range, no overdrive is a published number for 6.00 x 16 tires. Transmission and Transfer Case Ratios Series I & Series II/IIA thru trans "B" (approx. 1962) 4th 1.00 3rd 1.38 2nd 2.04 1st 3.00 Rev 2.55 Transfer Case High 1.15 Transfer Case Low 2.89 Overall Ratios in High without Overdrive 4th 5.40 3rd 7.43 2nd 11.02 1st 16.17 Series IIA fromFrom "John Y. Liu" Sun Oct 01 00:10:22 1995 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 1995 00:10:22 -0700 From: "John Y. Liu" Subject: Re: Radio placement Jan Ben writes: I built an aluminium shelf over the windshield. It's a good place for a radio (easily reached and seen, and likely to stay dry no matter what you ford), speakers can be built into it also, and serves as a handy place for other stuff too. Direct access to the roof for an antenna cable, too. Be sure to use a softer aluminium -- not wood or steel -- and roll the edges so as to minimize injury in case you bash into it in a crash (unless you're pretty tall, contact seems unlikely, though). From Lloyd Allison Sun Oct 1 20:26:06 1995 Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 20:26:06 +1000 From: Lloyd Allison Subject: Mark's on-line FYI Mark's 4WD Adaptors is on-line at: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~marks4wd/ Sarry Kouskoumbekakis handles the email and html. He showed me round on Saturday and I'll write it up in a week or two (no, ozemail is someone else!). Mark's have really specialised in conversions (dropped accessories) and have an amazing selection for a large set of engines and vehicles. Mark is a little sceptical about the Internet, but believes that he has to be in it. Lloyd From Duncan Brown Sun Oct 01 08:03:06 1995 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 1995 08:03:06 -0500 (EST) From: Duncan Brown Subject: ROAV Mid-Atlantic Rally was great! All, I only attended the rally on Saturday (it's still going on today) but had a great time. Well over 100 Rovers, lots of very nice folks driving them. Great food, great events, what more could anyone ask for? My 3-year-old was being just as cute as could be (even when he got stung by a bee and screamed so loud they could hear him in North Carlina...) I don't think they gave an award for "youngest co-pilot" but he would have won for sure. A bunch of people went off on some extracurricular trail-riding on the nearby fire trails, and what a great time/disaster that was! I believe we had one of everything somewhere in that group: SI, SII, SIIA, SIII, Defender, Discovery, Range Rover...and even an FC101. Absolutely astonishing performances put in by all on some pretty steep/slanted/boggy terrain. Riding with me was a new SIIA owner who hasn't gotten his vehicle on the road yet. After yesterday, he is all the more eager to get it running. My Turner engine isn't looking so new any more....mud from top to bottom. I had adjusted the valves earlier in the day and along one section of the trail it started spewing oil from the valve cover. I guess I had gotten the gasket a bit offset, and when I hit a sideways bump it scooted out from under the cover and started letting oil drip down onto the manifold. What fun. After several attempts (on steep inclines, with muddy boots, etc.) I finally got it in there right again and stopped emitting blue clouds into the forest. It performed beautifully though, I continue to be just ecstatic with that purchase. One one steep incline, everyone was passing the slope at the bottom, and then backing into position for a straight shot up. Coming down we had simply made the turn, I couldn't see why I couldn't just hang a right and head up the slope. I found out why. I got one wheel in the air, axles jumping back and forth, etc. I threw in the clutch to give up and back down for a straight shot...and the lack of traction on the hill, combined with mud-filled and nearly useless brake drums, left me skittering straight back into a tree at about 3MPH. OUCH. Fortunately, I hit right on the left rear corner at such an angle to the tree that it broke the TOP taillight lens (not the one below it, and not even the bulb in that light!), put a little wrinkle in the aluminum below the top corner capping...and DESTROYED the horizontal canvas top side support on that side. Bowed it into a U shape. Hey, could have been a lot worse! Beyond that, there was an exceptionally steep hill (felt like 75 degrees coming down!) that only about half the vehicles were making it up under their own power. The rest had to be SLOWLY winched up. Eventually a couple of folks came up behind us again- they had found the other way out by coming in the other way! So we turned around to follow them out. And all promptly got utterly lost in the middle of a vast featureless fire break. We eventually found an actual road and made our way back to Penlan Farm...about 2 hours after dinner was to have been served. Fortunately it was still there and everyone had some of that great barbecue. No question in my mind I'll be heading down there again next year. Hope to see some of you there! Duncan, looking up the part number for a new hoop strut... From (Tom Rowe) Sun Oct 01 09:18:03 1995 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 95 09:18:03 EDT From: (Tom Rowe) Subject: Re: Bulkhead Repairs (zinc fumes) >The repair sections from Rovers North are galvanized which is wonderful for >corrosion protection. However, the zinc must be ground off of the surfaces to >be welded. Wear a good dust mask since inhaling zinc is not healthy. Snip As a former welder I have a lot of experience welding zinc coated metals. Zinc fumes are very toxic. Weld in a *well* ventilated area. Idealy keep yourself upwind of the fumes. And drink lots of milk. I say that because it helps to prevent zinc poisoning, not because of where I work. Tom Rowe UW Center for Dairy Research Madison, WI 53706 | Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck wk 608-265-6194 | in places even more inaccessible hm 608-243-8660 From jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben) Sun Oct 1 12:28:55 1995 Date: Sun, 1 Oct 95 12:28:55 EDT From: jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben) Subject: misc. items RE new 109HT Hi all: I need advice on goodies available for the LWB hardtop. 1. rollbar that fits just inside the hardtop, so it can be used with the softtop ("hood", is it?) 2. aftermarket intake/exhaust improvement for carbed 3.5 with 2 SUs. (what's worth it, and what's a waste of money?). I can probably get a Edelbr. mainfold w. 390 Holley for $400 both. Is there a nice pair of carbs that fits instead of SU's, like Webers 40DCOEs? 3. (a silly one) the shift lever is straight, and it's a stretch for me to reach 1-2 shift. Should I just bend it, or is there an elegant soln? (more on this: I took a closer look, and there is no way to take the lever apart, though Haynes refers to a 2-piece assy.) Another option to make it a 2-piece. 4. I have a cheap small straight galv. front bumper w. bullbar mounted. Is there a good simple add-on setup, or will I have to change the bumper? 5. (never mind - I got this one) 6. I have a wish list of things to get from LRsupermarket or Craddocks. Is anyone still putting together an order here in US? Any suggestions or warnings re. ordering from UK? 7. I am interested in compiling spares for future projects. Anyone cleaning out their garage (in NE US) of Rangie 4-sp, engines ? PS. what is the induction history of the v8? when did they go to what FI system? Is the intake the same from 3.5->3.9->4.2 ? Thanks and bye for now. Jan From Michael Slade Sun Oct 1 09:58:07 1995 Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 09:58:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Slade Subject: NADA 6 ??'s/Roverworks update Hello Everyone, Just a quick update about Roverworks of New York, and a question about the NADA 6 cyl engine. The rumors are true, and several people (including myself), have banded together and filed official complaints with the New York State Attorney General's office. Financial and business records have been subpoenaed and action is moving forward. I would strongly urge anyone with complaints about Roverworks to please contact me, and hopefully with strength in numbers something positive can be done. I would also strongly urge anyone with knowledge of anyone considering Roverworks for a vehicle or restoration of their vehicle to either abandon those thoughts or contact me first. Now, on to other matters, I have been considering a 109 that has a NADA 6 cyl. engine in it. It's been gone through and rebuilt, and has about 4800 miles on it. Questions are: How many miles can I count on before either a rebuild or a replacement? Obviously that is dependant on me and how I service the car, but are there longevity problems generally associated with that engine? Also, I've heard parts are a pain to get for that motor, and am wondering about a swap in the future when major engine repairs are necessitated. Suggestions for engines to consider for a swap when/if it is neccesary would be appreciated. Thanks for letting me ramble, Michael slade@teleport.COM Public Access User -- Not affiliated with Teleport Public Access UNIX and Internet at (503) 220-1016 (2400-28800, N81) From Mark Talbot <71035.3215@compuserve.com> 01 95 Oct EDT 1914 Date: 01 Oct 95 14:45:43 EDT From: Mark Talbot <71035.3215@compuserve.com> Subject: Off-roading in NH All, Sorry for the short notice, we are planning "A day in woods" this coming weekend saturday. Light to medium off roading, some light wading in puddles and the odd stream, come see the the changing colours of fall in southern New Hampshire off the beaten track. Those interested e-mail me back for info, we have 4 vehicles so far and those with Disco's or RR can come with the comfort that we will not tackling panel denting rocks ! All welcome. Mark From (Tom Rowe) Sun Oct 01 13:56:10 1995 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 95 13:56:10 EDT From: (Tom Rowe) Subject: NADA 6 cyl On Sun, 1 Oct 1995 09:58:07 -0700 (PDT) Michael wrote: >Hello Everyone, Snip >Now, on to other matters, >I have been considering a 109 that has a NADA 6 cyl. engine in it. It's [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] >been gone through and rebuilt, and has about 4800 miles on it. >Questions are: Snip >Also, I've heard parts are a pain to get for that motor, and am wondering >about a swap in the future when major engine repairs are necessitated. Parts can be a pain. Last I heard things like the water pump are no longer avail, as well as the brake booster. >Suggestions for engines to consider for a swap when/if it is neccesary >would be appreciated. You have a liitle more room for a future engine swap. Relative to that, the bulkhead is different than on a 4cyl, as well as the floor panels in the front. The transmission bellhousing is different than a 4cyl. Also, the front brakes on the 6cyl are larger (wider shoes) than any other US spec series, and it has different front wheel cylinders than the 4cyl 109 (steel as opposed to aluminum). I bought a Perkins diesel to put in my 6cyl, alot nicer fit than in the 4cyl engine bay, but it will probably go in my lightweight now than my petrol engine has about had it. If the price is good, I would get it with the assumption that you'll be replacing the engine down the road. Tom Rowe UW Center for Dairy Research Madison, WI 53706 | Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck wk 608-265-6194 | in places even more inaccessible hm 608-243-8660 =========END FORWARDED MESSAGE========= Tom Rowe UW Center for Dairy Research Madison, WI 53706 | Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck wk 608-265-6194 | in places even more inaccessible hm 608-243-8660 From skidmore@mail02.mitre.org (William E. Skidmore) Sun Oct 1 15:37:56 1995 Date: Sun, 1 Oct 95 15:37:56 -0400 From: skidmore@mail02.mitre.org (William E. Skidmore) Subject: re: Unstable Idle in D90 Folks; Thanks to all who responded. John Brabyn was to firdt to respond with the solution, but by then the dealer had gotten the problem solved and I wound up apying $36 (to cover the diagnosis set-up cost), but the actual repair work was under warranty. The receipt stated that the "base idle" was adjusted, but as I questioned the mechanic what that actually was, it turns out that the idle air bypass valve was stuck, and subsequently couldn't respond quickly enough to prevent stall. Now that I know what it was, I'll make a point of cleaning it every time I replace the plugs per the shop manual's guidance, although I'll have to work on the compressed air source - those cheap electric compressors are looking better! Again, thanks all. Bill Skidmore From Gary Mitchelson Sun Oct 01 16:44:39 1995 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 95 16:44:39 -0500 From: Gary Mitchelson Subject: LR shirt -- [ From: Gary Mitchelson * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- Does anyone know of another source for the green LR logo shirts other than the dealers in the US? -- Gary Mitchelson garym@racalrecord.com N3JPU From "William L. Leacock" <75473.3572@compuserve.com> 01 95 Oct EDT 1919 Date: 01 Oct 95 19:51:13 EDT From: "William L. Leacock" <75473.3572@compuserve.com> Subject: Road speed and steering WD Cockey gives all the info reqd for road speed calcs. for James Curtis 205 tyres are the same rolling dia as 6.00 /6.50 .ie 29 in which is approx 710 rev/ mile. 15 mph per 1000 revs in top gear with .78 o/d ratio = 19.18 mph per 1000 revs which at 85 mph = 4400 rpm. A std 2 1/4 will not pull this gear ratio, it just does not have the power to propel the aorodynamic brick, aka Land Rover at this speed, except down in 1 in 4 gradient, I suggest that you find your local police measured mile and time yourself at some legal road speeds to check the speedo accuracy. Peter doncaster writes re steering box slack, There is 'nt much you can do to rebuild a steering box other than fit new balls which usually does not do much good since the screw track is usally more worn than the balls. It is easy to see how much free play there is in the box, simply watch the output arm as you move the steering wheel to and fro. There is a backlash adjustment on the side of the box, which can be reached from under the wing ( fender ) it is normally covered by a steel box shaped cover, slacken the locknut and tighten the screw until the backlash is reduced, check the free play at both steering lcks to ensure that it is not too tight at the extremes which are usually less worn than the centre part. Trevor Easton when you read this please send me your E mail address, I have had some mail bounced back. Regards Bil Leacock. From cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Sun Oct 01 17:34:57 1995 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 1995 17:34:57 +0100 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: misc. items RE new 109HT Jan Ben writes: >I need advice on goodies available for the LWB hardtop. 1. rollbar that fits just inside the hardtop, so it can be used with the softtop ("hood", is it?) The softtop "hood" in the UK is referred to as a "tilt". You can get a full tilt for the 109, replacing the entire top (don't know what happens at the rear doors for a 4-door); or a 3/4 tilt, as for a 109 pickup, etc. Michael Carradine, Architect Ph/Fax 510-988-0900 Carradine Studios, PO Box 494, Walnut Creek, CA 94597 USA _________________________________________________________________________ Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page at: http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html From RICKCRIDER@aol.com Sun Oct 1 22:35:29 1995 Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 22:35:29 -0400 From: RICKCRIDER@aol.com Subject: Anyone done this? Has anyone retrofitted a rear cargo area rubber mat from a D90.....the one with the logo and goes up and over the wheel wells......? Does it take much trimming? Does it look 'boogered up' when trimmed to fit? Seems like it would be an excellent alternative to the thin floor mat or no mat at all. Any good sources except the franchise ($$$$) dealers? Thanks all. Rick Crider kd4fxa Monroe NC 66 Slla 109" .........for sale........ 73 Slll 88" 88 Range Rover From rwegner@fimage.synapse.net (Richard Wegner) Sun Oct 1 23:28:52 1995 Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 23:28:52 -0500 From: rwegner@fimage.synapse.net (Richard Wegner) Subject: CHECK the Timing Chain! Well the Rover is apart again! Over this past summer I had been experiencing a noise from the front of the engine in my 73 Series III - 88 that can best be described as a loud rattle when the engine was idling. The noise would come and then go away for a while. But over the last couple of months it did not go away, and seemed to get louder. After seeking advice from fellow OVLR members, I had finally convinced myself that it was the timing chain again. I originally had problems with the timing chain back in 1988. When I took the timing cover off the chain had stretched to the point where the tensioner was off the ratchet and the chain was starting to rub on the inside of the case. It did not make a rattling noise then. The timing chain and tensioner was replaced at that time with original Land Rover parts. The Rover has done approximately 15,000 miles since then, and the engine was rebuilt in 1993 due to a burnt exhaust valve. The timing chain looked OK at that time. This time when I took the cover off, little pieces of aluminum fell out of the cover. Apparently the Tensioner Idler Wheel had decided to self-destruct, and the timing chain was wearing away the aluminum shaft where the gear used to be! Needless to say I was not a happy LR owner, and proceeded to drop the oil sump. As I suspected many little bits of aluminum were floating in the oil sludge in the bottom of the sump. But.......all these little pieces do not come anywhere close to making up the idler wheel. Sooo......a lot of the aluminum idler wheel has been ground up in to very fine aluminum filings. Now I am looking for advice from the collective wisdom of the Land Rover net. Should I be worried about those little bits of aluminum floating around in the engine? Should I drop the oil pump, clean and check it? Should I take off a big end cap and check the bearing shells? Is the oil filter system on the Land Rover a Full Flow system (does all the oil go thru the filter first), or is it a Bypass filter system (some oil goes past the filter)? Now all the time I have been reading this Land Rover list I have not heard other owners mention timing chain problems. Is this a common problem? Should a timing chain have to be replaced within 15,000 miles? What would cause the idler wheel to self-destruct? Last question! Has anyone had experience with the Pad Tensioner which replaces the idler wheel as shown in Rovers North catalog? If so how often does the pad need replacing? Sorry for the length of this post, but I just had to vent my frustrations at having the Rover laid up for a week or two just when I need it most, and feeling bad about not having taken it apart sooner. Thanks for listening........Richard From skidmore@mail02.mitre.org (William E. Skidmore) Sun Oct 1 16:36:19 1995 Date: Sun, 1 Oct 95 16:36:19 -0400 From: skidmore@mail02.mitre.org (William E. Skidmore) Subject: re: Service Bulletins for Late Model Land Rovers Folks; re my previous calling out the ALLDATA web page as a source for the service bulletins that are in effect for late-model rovers: BEWARE My dealer stated that all of the ones identified on the ALLDATA web page for the '94 D90 were never issued for that vehicle, and in fact, the bottom of the page indicates EAS, which stands for Electronic Air Suspension (like in late model Range Rovers). This page is therefore SUSPECT. I recommend that anyone wishing to identify which bulletins are valid for their vehicles, to use this page as an indicator that MUST be verified by a LR delaership or LRNA (I don't know if RN or AB or any of the other authorized parts shops receive these bulletins). Alternatively, contact LRNA and try to get the info from them (good luck!). Bill Skidmore From DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Sun Oct 01 21:38:43 1995 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 95 21:38:43 MST From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Subject: Intermittent problem with '87 RR solved. FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 SUBJECT: Intermittent problem with '87 RR solved. I'll make this short, since I'm at home on a *slow* dinosaur of a PC. The problem that so many of you have been diligently helping me to find a solution for is at last resolved. I took it to the dealer (I sure didn't have the ability to play "plug and play") and they called me to tell me the mechanical advance in the distributor is frozen, and would be around $350 (US) to rebuild. Later that day, they called to say they needed the RR another day. Then, the next day, they said it wasn't the distributor, and that they wouldn't charge me for that, but they had definitely located the problem... The alternator!! This (rebuilt) was amazingly, the same price. Thanks for all your input!!! I really appreciate all your help in resolving this problem. I am now confident (at least for the moment) that with all the poking and prodding that's been done to the beast, that *nothing* should go wrong for a while now!!!! Anyone up for a 4WD run??? YEEEEE---HAAAAA!!! Dave (In Rover Bliss once again) Brown. #=====# #========# -------,___ _______ |___|__\___ |___|__|__\___ |--' | | \_|_ / /__|__\___ | _ | |_ |} | _ | | |_ |} | _ |--+--|_ | \_/-\___/-\_|} "(_)""""(_)" "(_)"""""""(_)" ||_/_\___|__/_\_|} ( ) ( ) (_) (_) 1971 "88" IIa 1970 "109" IIa 1994 Discovery (Sold) '87 Range Rover LIC: LION B8 Historic plates (Too hard to "draw") $8500 bargain Now have $9K in it. And going... and ... #=======# Never doubt that a small group of individuals |__|__|__\___ can change the world... indeed, it's the only | _| | |_ |} thing that ever has. "(_)""""""(_)" -Margaret Mead From Vel Natarajan Mon Oct 2 03:34:43 1995 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 03:34:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Vel Natarajan Subject: Which brand of Overdrive? I'm not sure if this has been discussed before, but I'm considering putting in an O/D in my '66-88". Not definite, because I'm content with the speed now but it would be nice to not cringe when passing Army trucks and Vauxhall Chevettes on the Motorway. I wanted people's opinions on the difference between the Fairey and Superwinch overdrives. Looking in Craddock's/Paddock's et.al. I only see the Superwinch advertised (almost 500 quid - ouch). The PO had a superwinch on there as indicated by the "Overdrive by Superwinch" sticker on the rear crossmember. Is the Superwinch a solid, reliable unit, or look should I around for a Fairey? (Or are there any other recommendations? Toro?) Opinions? Vel ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Vel Natarajan Phone: +44-1793-556-742 Motorola Inc. Fax: +44-1793-430-987 16 Euro Way, Mobile: +49-171-854-6670 Blagrove, Swindon, England, SN5 8YQ Email: nataraja@cig.mot.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From Mike Rooth Mon Oct 2 10:08:01 1995 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 95 10:08:01 BST From: Mike Rooth Subject: Re: Which brand of Overdrive? Superwinch *is* Fairey.Or rather Fairey became Superwinch. Same with FWH.As far as I know you cant buy a Fairey O/D, winch,or FWH set any more. Cheers Mike Rooth From (Tom Rowe) Mon Oct 02 07:02:58 1995 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 95 07:02:58 EDT From: (Tom Rowe) Subject: Re: misc. items RE new 109HT > Jan Ben writes: >>I need advice on goodies available for the LWB hardtop. [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)] > pickup, etc. > Michael Carradine, The rag top is only available for the 109 regular (2 door), in either full or 3/4 length. Having said that, I read somewhere awhile back about someone here in the States that had made a custom canvas top for a four door. I think he cut off the pillars between the front and rear doors, and maybe the top half of the rear doors. I think the article was in a RN or AB newsletter. Does anyone else remember it? Has anyone in the UK done such a custom job? Tom Rowe UW Center for Dairy Research Madison, WI 53706 | Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck wk 608-265-6194 | in places even more inaccessible hm 608-243-8660 From (Tom Rowe) Mon Oct 02 07:30:59 1995 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 95 07:30:59 EDT From: (Tom Rowe) Subject: Re: Which brand of Overdrive? Snip >Army trucks and Vauxhall Chevettes on the Motorway. I wanted people's >opinions on the difference between the Fairey and Superwinch [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)] >Is the Superwinch a solid, reliable unit, or look should I around >for a Fairey? (Or are there any other recommendations? Toro?) I thought the Superwinch and Fairey were one & the same, just from different periods. In comaparing the the guts of a Fairey with those of a Bearmach, it looks to me that the BM overdrive is a better unit. Plus it holds more oil I believe. Tom Rowe UW Center for Dairy Research Madison, WI 53706 | Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck wk 608-265-6194 | in places even more inaccessible hm 608-243-8660 From Guy Arnold Mon Oct 2 09:26:21 1995 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 09:26:21 EDT From: Guy Arnold Subject: Movie Sighting I don't know if this has been listed before but I saw the previews for the new James Bond movie "Goldeneye" and they showed a D-90 going off a pier into the water. When are they going to stop killing the best character in those movies just to thrill the uninformed audience? Guy Arnold 1973 Series III swb "Green Machine" From Robert Dennis <73363.427@compuserve.com> 02 95 Oct EDT 1909 Date: 02 Oct 95 09:24:02 EDT From: Robert Dennis <73363.427@compuserve.com> Subject: ROAV Mid Atlantic Rally Duncan, I wish we had a chance to introduced ourselves, I would have loved to see the Turner engine! I was the one with the Aluminum SerIII soft top that came back around to help find the other way out. Sorry about the few wrong turns but that brush all looks the same when it gets dark. I hope you enjoyed the ride anyway. At least that trail gave everyone a good idea of what a LandRover can do, and supplied enough stories to last until next year. By the way, I think those hills were both about 60 degrees Rob Dennis 72 Ser III 90 RR Rob Dennis Atlanta, GA USA 73363.427@Compuserve.com 02-Oct-1995 From Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus 2 95 Oct EDT 1910 Date: 2 Oct 95 10:03:08 EDT From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus Subject: Brakes finally fixed... Well, my old friend Churchill finally has brakes - and I'm embarassed to admit what was wrong with them. Out of disgust with the whole situation, I finally bribed my brother-in-law o com up and cast a fresh eye on the situation. He earns his living at auto repair, so I figured he was a good bet to find the problem. To make a long story shor, it turned out that my rear brake cylinders were half-frozen; things were moving, but not enough and not well. I should have caught that... WHat caused the problem was that at one time the PO of my Rover had "rebuilt" thje cylinders, in the process not greasing anything that should have had rubber grease applied. Due to this and some wading, the pistons stuck to their bores and moved only with difficulty, causing my problem. After a cylinder rebuild, bleeding and adjustment I can now lock all 4 with no problems and no pumping...Pleased I am. Thanks to all for all the wonderful suggestions and advice. ajr From Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus 2 95 Oct EDT 1910 Date: 2 Oct 95 10:06:20 EDT From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus Subject: I wouldn't expect to hear from Dixon today.... ... as he and Dale Desprey pulled out of my driveway at 12:30 this morning with a 2.25 Diesel in the back of a severely overladen Saab... The last bits of conversation I heard revolved around what they were going to tell Customs/Douane at the border..... -ajr From Daniel Polak Mon Oct 2 15:17:00 1995 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 95 15:17:00 +0100 From: Daniel Polak Subject: Lightweight questions My Lightweight Land Rover has a chassis number which starts with 95. The FAQ lists chassis numbers but stops long before numbers with 95 are reached. Here in the Netherlands cars become exempt from road tax after a certain age. Because of that I would like to have some official document stating the age of the car. Does anybody know how old my Lightweight is or how I can find out its age? The chassis has been replaced by a galvanised chassis. Is it still necessary to have this treated with Tectyl (do you call it that in English?) to prevent rust? If I park the car outdoors and drive it a few times every month will it still be in good condition 10 years from now or is it much better to store it in a garage (of course normal cars would rust and decay but Land Rovers don't do that :-) )? Daniel -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ==> Be advised this is a new address, a new phone number, a new fax ==> number and a new e-mail address! ==> We will move office on 29 September 1995. SYS, Supporting Your Systems B.V. Daniel J. Polak Jarmuiden 54D 1046 AE Amsterdam The Netherlands Phone: +31-20-6136323 Fax: +31-20-6135934 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internet e-mail: DANIEL@SYS.NL Internet home page: http://www.euronet.nl/users/sysadam/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Dixon Kenner Mon Oct 2 10:26:08 1995 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 10:26:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re: ROAV Mid-Atlantic Rally was great! On Sun, 1 Oct 1995, Duncan Brown wrote: > I only attended the rally on Saturday (it's still going on today) > but had a great time. Well over 100 Rovers, lots of very nice folks > driving them. Great food, great events, what more could anyone ask > for? Missed you... I was interested in seeing this engine of yours. Was basically only there for Saturday (Had to leave 9am SUnday to get to Boston to pick up a 2.25l Diesel and then back to Ottawa to get to work. Made it here by 8:45am... Long drive > I believe we had one of everything somewhere in that group: SI, SII, > SIIA, SIII, Defender, Discovery, Range Rover...and even an FC101. Counted 106 at one point, but there were a few more I missed with vehicles coming and going... > No question in my mind I'll be heading down there again next year. I'll be back. Had a good time there, though I think the trials course could use a wee bit more mud... :-) From chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens) Mon Oct 2 10:34:15 1995 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 10:34:15 -0400 From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens) Subject: Is It A U-Joint? Hey, that Rover Rally was a hoot wasn't it? Nice to put faces to e-mail signatures and really find out who's been offering up the advice to me during my first year of Rover ownership. Thanks to Bill Maloney, Jeff Berg, Trevor, Sandy, et al. Anyway, after a quick field repair at Penlan Farm yesterday am...Nate Dunsmore and I had to replace a missing alternator bolt (I thought I heard someone under the Rover in the middle of the night...didn't miss the overdrive until I got back to Baltimore). So here I am driving down I-64 toward Richmond at subsonic speeds when every now and then the Rover seems to stutter a bit in the drivetrain. When I keep it under acceleration it works find, but when I left of the gas a bit and then step on it again it jerks a bit. This a U-joint, propshaft problem. How do I figure it out? Thanks. From Sanna@aol.com Mon Oct 2 11:16:54 1995 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:16:54 -0400 From: Sanna@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Re: CHECK the Timing Chain! --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Re: CHECK the Timing Chain! From Dixon Kenner Mon Oct 2 11:43:34 1995 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:43:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re: I wouldn't expect to hear from Dixon today.... On 2 Oct 1995, Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote: > The last bits of conversation I heard revolved around what they were going > to tell Customs/Douane at the border..... -ajr Mr. CustomsMan "What is under the tarp?" Dixon "A large heavy piece of oily junk" Mr. CustomsMan "What kind of a piece of junk?" Dixon "A Land Rover Diesel engine that at $50 was way over priced. The sleeping chap next to me seems to think diesels are OK" Mr. CustomsMan "Fine, you can go..." Of course, the leaking oil landing on the new Jack-all would have only reinforced my opinion that I have had it a while, though would have been hard pressed to demonstrate its usefullness on the Saab. Besides, Jack-alls are made in Canada. I was just repatriating it from a foreign land. Hmm, should probably drill a couple of holes in the rear floor pans of the Saab. Then it can be as incontinent as the 109, though the Exxon Valdez it pulled before Stowe in the landlord's driveway... Oi... From Duncan Brown Mon Oct 02 12:13:06 1995 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 12:13:06 -0500 (EST) From: Duncan Brown Subject: Drivetrain stutter Chris, > Hey, that Rover Rally was a hoot wasn't it? Nice to put faces to e-mail > signatures and really find out who's been offering up the advice to me > during my first year of Rover ownership. Thanks to Bill Maloney, Jeff Berg, > Trevor, Sandy, et al. I was spending too much time keeping my 3 year old from disassembling other peoples' Rovers and not enough time trying to figure out who was who, I hope to do better next year... (Honest-to-God, he dragged the crossbar out of the back of my Rover and was heading towards other Rovers with it to remove their lugnuts; he even had the proper end forward!) > overdrive until I got back to Baltimore). So here I am driving down I-64 > toward Richmond at subsonic speeds when every now and then the Rover seems > to stutter a bit in the drivetrain. When I keep it under acceleration it > works find, but when I left of the gas a bit and then step on it again it > jerks a bit. This a U-joint, propshaft problem. How do I figure it out? Most common driveshaft problems (worn U-joint, worn splines, worn yoke) should be visible by grabbing on to the driveshaft and rocking it back and forth and seeing which pieces stop before others. If your yoke is worn (like mine!) you'll be able to see where the u-joint cap has been spinning under the circlip...they aren't supposed to do this! Don't overlook the obvious: bits of mud, rock, sticks stuck in U-joints, boots, wheels, tires. If you have locking hubs, use them to narrow the problem down to front or rear drivetrain. 2 or 3 times since I bought my truck I've had the experience where I'm heading down the highway at 55 and there's this sudden horrendous shaking under the front end of the truck, and just about the time it sounds like both wheels are going to break away from their hubs....the front propshaft boot comes bouncing under the truck and out the back...and now all I have are two hose clamps jangling around up there. My old engine blew enough oil out the vent pipe to keep this boot in a constant oil bath. I'm hoping now that it only gets bathed when I change the oil filter that it will last a bit longer...I try to wipe all the oil off each time anyway! But these boots just never have a chance with the constant threat of lubrication... Duncan From cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Mon Oct 02 09:25:13 1995 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 09:25:13 +0100 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Manufacturing date of Lightweight Daniel Polak writes: >My Lightweight Land Rover has a chassis number which starts with 95. Does anybody know how old my Lightweight is or how I can find out its age? The chassis has been replaced by a galvanised chassis. Write to: Mr. John Riley Project Eng., Traceability LAND ROVER Lode Lane, Solihull West Midlands B29 8NW England Give him the VIN number and other info from the plate on the bulkhead, not you chassis number as it has been replaced later (by a third party). Michael Carradine, Architect Ph/Fax 510-988-0900 Carradine Studios, PO Box 494, Walnut Creek, CA 94597 USA _________________________________________________________________________ Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page at: http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html From rpeng@cadev6.intel.com Mon Oct 2 9:43:51 1995 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 95 9:43:51 PDT From: rpeng@cadev6.intel.com Subject: D90 Calendar Poster There's a very interesting poster calendar of the Defender 90 Station Wagon in the latest issue of Four Wheeler magazine. Check it out! -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Peng (408)765-7863 Intel Corporation Design Technology, Physical CAD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From John Brabyn Mon Oct 2 10:12:22 1995 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 10:12:22 -0700 (PDT) From: John Brabyn Subject: Re: Intermittent problem with '87 RR solved. On Sun, 1 Oct 1995 DEBROWN@SRP.GOV wrote: > problem... The alternator!! This (rebuilt) was amazingly, the same price. Great news Dave!! What is the theory behind the alternator problem -- I don't understand how it could cause the symptoms unless it was shorting out and lowering the available voltage to the ignition or something??? Cheers JOhn Brabyn 89RR From DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Mon Oct 02 10:44:34 1995 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 95 10:44:34 MST From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Subject: Re: Intermittent problem with '87 RR solved. *** Resending note of 10/02/95 10:09 FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 SUBJECT: Re: Intermittent problem with '87 RR solved. ========================================================================= From Leland J Roys Mon Oct 2 10:51:04 1995 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 95 10:51:04 PDT From: Leland J Roys Subject: Def-90 Spark Plugs Def-90 Spark Plugs: An interesting thing happened yesterday. I was looking under the hood of my Def-90, making sure all the fluids were topped off etc, I just happened to glance at the spark plug wires, I noticed to my suprise! that two of them were almost ready to fall of the spark plugs! I pushed them back into place and they popped right on. The interesting thing is that I had noticed a slight drop of power in the last weeks of driving, and that the temp guage had been running 1 notch hotter than normal. After putting the plugs back into place, the power is back, and the temp guage is right in the center. I will definately need to check the wires more often, I have no idea how long they were detached (I just had the 7500 miles service done, the truck is 5 months old). My question is, I can understand the lack of power of course, but why the higher temp with plugs not firing? and you would think there would have been a more noticeable power loss? Leland Roys roys@cup.hp.com Cupertino California 1994 Def-90 (Red) From Benjamin Allan Smith Mon Oct 02 11:10:30 1995 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 11:10:30 -0700 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Subject: Re: Manufacturing date of Lightweight Daniel Polak wrotes: > >My Lightweight Land Rover has a chassis number which starts with 95. > Does anybody know how old my Lightweight is or how I can find out its age? > The chassis has been replaced by a galvanised chassis. Michael Carradine wrote: > Give him the VIN number and other info from the plate on the bulkhead, > not you chassis number as it has been replaced later (by a third party). the 95x (x=1..5) were built from 1972 to Oct 1, 1979. Starting Oct 1, 1979 Land Rover started using VINs. So this Rover has a serial number not a VIN number. Ben From rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice) Mon Oct 2 14:11:49 1995 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 14:11:49 -0500 From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice) Subject: Mid-Atlantic Rally Amazing...ROAV broke a 20 year record...it did *not* rain. In fact, the weather was perfect. We had 106 registered vehicles and another dozen or so that did not register or were from various comapnies. Maybe 120+ vehicles with well over 225 people. The Results: The Aluminium Man Triathlon (TM): 1) Dennis Perzynski driving a 110. He won a pair of Dunlop Radial Rover tires, the trophy, a Camel Trophy liscense plate and a Camel Trophy t-shirt. 2)Quintin Aspin driving the '51 80". 3) Julian Brace in a D-90. 4) Jared Silbersher in the 101. The teeter-totter: 1) "Diesel Bob" McCullough (*9* seconds!) 2) Jackie Bookout. 3) Danny Marko. 4) Brian Julian. Most Functional: Jared Silbersher's 101 Forward Control. People's Choice: Scott Miller in an unusual Series One "woody" or 'shooting brake' Greatest Distance Traveled: Danny Marko - West Palm Beach, FL; Gene Nault and Rick Sanders, Sarasota, FL. For you local list members, a photo spread will appear in Tuesday's Richmond Times Dispatch. And we haven't learned our lesson yet...we'll be doing it again next year, but one week later - the *first* weekend of October. I'll leave the actual description of the rally to the other 'netters that were there. Cheers. *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----* | A. P. (Sandy) Grice | | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia | | 1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | | E-mail: rover@pinn.net Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day) | | 804-423-4898 (Evenings) FAX: 804-622-7056 | *-----------------------------------------------------* From burns@lint.cisco.com (Russell burns) Mon Oct 2 11:25:18 1995 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:25:18 -0700 From: burns@lint.cisco.com (Russell burns) Subject: Re: Def-90 Spark Plugs Those two cylinders were probably misfiring. At 10:51 AM 10/2/95 PDT, Leland J Roys wrote: >To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net >Def-90 Spark Plugs: [ truncated by lro-digester (was 31 lines)] >roys@cup.hp.com >Cupertino California >1994 Def-90 (Red) Russ Burns________________________________________________________________ CiscoSystems From Daniel Polak Mon Oct 2 20:34:00 1995 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 95 20:34:00 +0100 From: Daniel Polak Subject: Manufacturing date of Lightweight Thanks for your quick reply. The chassis has been replaced, but the chassis number is on the left side of the body instead of on the chassis on a Lightweight. I checked but could find nothing on the bulkhead. I'll write to the Land Rover address you gave me. Thanks again, Daniel From "Francis J. Twarog" Mon Oct 2 16:11:28 1995 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 16:11:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Francis J. Twarog" Subject: Re:Martha's Vineyard sightings A friend of mine just returned from MV with his 88" - said that the 109" was Cristy Brinkley and Billy Joel's truck. Asking price was $19k. About 3 years ago, I remember seeing a picture of Cristy and the truck - naturally, it reaffirmed my feeling that Land Rovers are beautiful things... Frank From jhoward@atlas.usno.navy.mil (James D. Howard) Mon Oct 2 17:01 1995 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 95 17:01 EDT From: jhoward@atlas.usno.navy.mil (James D. Howard) Subject: New Orleans I made a weekend trip to New Orleans. While walking around the French Quarter, I came across a SIIA 88 on Chartes St.. It was well used, and well cared for. It had a resident parking sticker, and also had a Camel Trophy 1991 sticker on the front bumper. Somehow, surrounded by all those beautiful old buildings, the Land Rover seemed to fit. Wish I had met the owner. James From Leland J Roys Mon Oct 2 15:11:29 1995 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 95 15:11:29 PDT From: Leland J Roys Subject: Problem Cardboard Problem Cardboard: Well I finally have the answer, The piece of cardboard that covers the wires on the passenger side (1994 Def-90) was constantly falling off. I gave up having the dealer fix it (both times I took it in for service they said they fixed it, later it would fall down again). Well, I noticed yesterday that it was no longer falling off, my girlfriend said she had placed 2 chopsticks under the cardboard where it fits in the metal tabs. My gosh it worked! (Yes I did try tapeing it before, but it looked ugly). So I now have the answer to the falling cardboard, chopsticks! Leland Roys roys@cup.hp.com 1994 Def-90 (Red) From Mark Ritter <70472.1130@compuserve.com> 02 95 Oct EDT 1917 Date: 02 Oct 95 17:03:22 EDT From: Mark Ritter <70472.1130@compuserve.com> Subject: Stephen O'Hearn I have been responding to the named above about some Rover parts for sale and ahve been unsuccessful at contacting him. If anybody is familiar with him could you please tell him to E-mail me to let me know if the lights he had advertised are still for sale. Mark Ritter From LANDROVER@delphi.com Mon Oct 02 22:11:17 1995 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 22:11:17 -0400 (EDT) From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Subject: Re: It's all a question of timing... Rick asks... > How does one decipher which head one has......7.1 or 8.1 ratio. I have > both a Slla and a Slll.......are the heads not the same? Is the timing > proceedure different? / I believe that the easiest way to spot the differance is to look at the head bolt directly opposite the carburetor. Specifically, the raised boss in the head where the bolt is. On the 7.1 head, the boss is like all the others, while on the 8.1 head the boss is a rectangular shape that extends to the edge of the head. Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 725-1859 Gloversville NY, 12078 -USA- 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol ("Sidney") 7 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol ("Fern") #:-}> 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol (Parts is Parts) From jpappa01@interserv.com Mon Oct 2 20:35:09 1995 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 95 20:35:09 PDT From: jpappa01@interserv.com Subject: Re: D90 SW A little more info on the now imminent D90 SW. * No external D110-style cage. External appearance is truncated cage same as limited aluminum hardtop for 1994. Difference inside is a full hoop behind front seats similar to D110 hoop. Literature calls it special exterior/interior safari cage. * Somewhat revised fascia - but photos that I have seen could be early prototype - still not sure. We got new brochures at Metro West other day on Defender but were identical to regular 1995 brochure. Suspect dedicated brochure again similar to 1993 D110 glossy. * FINALLY!* Rear mud flaps to be available for D90. I fervently hope that they will fit the normal D90 and that the exhaust layout wasn't modified for the D90 SW. * Full carpeting and interior (headliner/side panels) standard. * Colors are all-white, blue-white roof, green-white roof. * A/C still dealer-installed option. * No official MSRP as of yet. Will revert with any more info. BSROA Fall Heritage IV was a great success with over 30 vehicles and 60 persons in attendance in our new venue in the gorgeous Berkshires. Scenery was breath-taking all weekend long. Many convoys. Neat mini-off road course carved out by Denis Nault & Co., followed by some neat rock-climbing going up the backside of Jiminy Peak! Pig roast, raffle, partying. Thanks for great raffle prizes by Land Rover Metro West and Rovers North! Plans well under way for next year. Same time. Same place. Look for night time off road course. ARC-style taxed vehicle course. More off-road with lunch at summit. Vehicles in attendance inlcuded Discos, a 4.0 SE (!), twelve (!) Defender 90s, 2-door Range Rovers, Range Rover County, Series included 2, 2A, 3, 88 + 109 military. Convoy home was via Mohawk trail and lunch atop Mt. Graylock. Members received goodie bag courtesy of BSROA and LRNA. See you next year! Next BSROA event is Race Point 2 beach drive on Sunday, Oct. 22. Flyer to be mailed out this week to members. cheerz Jim - I got blistaz on my fingaz! `67 2A 88 5.0L hybrid `67 2A 109 5.0L hybrid `68 2B 110 F/C diesel `70 P6B 3500S `90 Range Rover County `93 D110 (#457/500) `95 D90 #1958 From rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice) Mon Oct 2 23:38:51 1995 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 23:38:51 -0500 From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice) Subject: Rally stuff Just got back to town and fired up the ol' box. Had quite a few messages waiting, some dating from last Friday. Though we had a link at the rally, the land lines were particularly awful in that part of the country, and the mail server back here in town was barfing at everything. So my appologies to those that I did not return messages to. It was just too much of a hassle and too damned slow trying to get messages in/out. (I could send one and maybe a fragment of another before the system would hang.) Gonna have to haver a talk with the service provider.... *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----* | A. P. (Sandy) Grice | | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia | | 1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | | E-mail: rover@pinn.net Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day) | | 804-423-4898 (Evenings) FAX: 804-622-7056 |From Mike Rooth Tue Oct 3 9:38:40 1995 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 95 9:38:40 BST From: Mike Rooth Subject: Re: Lightweight questions Daniel, Try writing to the Lightweight Land Rover Club. Sue Foster 31 Slimbridge Close, Breightmet, Bolton BL2 5NT Tel 01204 396449 There is,I beleive a facility whereby the Army Records can be consulted to give you the vehicles army record(if the record for the vehicle still exists)which may help.If anyone knows about this,the Lightweight Club should. Cheers Mike Rooth PS If its British Army,of course. From Richard Jones Tue Oct 3 9:58:56 1995 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 9:58:56 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Jones Subject: Re: Intermittent problem with '87 RR solved. DEBROWN@srp.gov writes: > All the dealer said was that "The alternator was sending the wrong signals > to the ECU." I don't know exactly what, whether low voltage of amperage, or > what, but it started every time, and gave no indication of an alternator Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the engine RPM information come from the alternator? __ _ __ Apricot Computer Limited ' ) ) / 3500 Parkside Tel: (+44) 121 717 7171 /--' o _. /_ Birmingham Business Park Fax: (+44) 121 717 0123 / <_<_(__/ <_ BIRMINGHAM B37 7YS Richard Jones United Kingdom Email: richardj@apricot.mee.com From William Caloccia Tue Oct 03 06:02:26 1995 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 95 06:02:26 -0400 From: William Caloccia Subject: Re: Defender 110 owners with problems > From: Treski@aol.com > Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 23:48:15 -0400 > Attn all 110 owners: I f you have had a problem of any kind with your rover > that was fixed under warranty, please write about it here. ex getting all > 4 doors replaced because of a bad paint job. thank you Don't bother writing about it here, this list isn't for whinging and moaning, just send your moaning mail directly to 'Treski@aol.com', or you'd probably get better results if you wrote to the manufacturer's agent and told 'em directly how much you liked the vehicle, but how disappointed you were that xxxx. Cheers, -Bill From sreddock@VNET.IBM.COM Tue Oct 3 10:57:02 1995 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 95 10:57:02 BST From: sreddock@VNET.IBM.COM Subject: UJs Hi there, last week a friend had a similar problem with his drive train. I guessed at UJs as mine did the same when they went. I crawled under the back and grabbed the prop. There was hardly any movement but it made loads of noise when he drove. The problem appears to be in my drive! There is a very slight slope which was causing the vehicle to 'lean' on the handbrake which kept the drivetrain taut and managed to take up all the slack. A later check on level ground revealed loads of play. The moral of the story is put the rear axle on stands so that the prop is free to flap in the breeze! Another possible cause which I saw recently before my diff exploded was excess play in the pinion / crown wheel. It made a fair bit of noise and snatch and jerking on take off. This manifested it self as a lot of play in the handbrake as well. Easy to test for, just put the handbrake on and see how far you can rock the vehicle backwards and forwards just using the play in the axle, prop and whatever. Play in the splines and ujs can also do this though so eliminate them before condemning your diff. Before it blew I had nearly a foot of movement this way and I now have just a few inches. Mine made lots of noise for months before it finally blew and stripped all the teeth though. This is probably not your problem though as my V6 does load up the rear axle a bit more than most engines. Never broken a half shaft though! Steve Reddock, Lightweight V6 From Daniel Polak Tue Oct 3 12:07:00 1995 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 95 12:07:00 +0100 From: Daniel Polak Subject: RE: Lightweight questions FORWARDED MESSAGE from Mike Rooth (MAIL @ UUCP {M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk}) MR> at 3-10-95 09:38 MR> Daniel, MR> Try writing to the Lightweight Land Rover Club. MR> Sue Foster MR> 31 Slimbridge Close, MR> Breightmet, MR> Bolton BL2 5NT MR> MR> Tel 01204 396449 MR> MR> There is,I beleive a facility whereby the Army Records can MR> be consulted to give you the vehicles army record(if the record MR> for the vehicle still exists)which may help.If anyone knows MR> about this,the Lightweight Club should. MR> Cheers MR> Mike Rooth MR> MR> PS If its British Army,of course. ***** NOTES from Daniel Polak (DANIEL @ SYS) at 3-10-95 12:05 Thanks for your suggestions! I am already a member of the Lightweight club and tried getting info from the Army but they couldn't find anything about my Rover. However I will tell the club about this mailing list, I think they all will be very interested. Daniel -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ==> Be advised this is a new address, a new phone number, a new fax ==> number and a new e-mail address! ==> We will move office on 29 September 1995. SYS, Supporting Your Systems B.V. Daniel J. Polak Jarmuiden 54D 1046 AE Amsterdam The Netherlands Phone: +31-20-6136323 Fax: +31-20-6135934 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internet e-mail: DANIEL@SYS.NL Internet home page: http://www.euronet.nl/users/sysadam/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From WASSILI@AMC.UVA.NL Tue Oct 03 14:03:07 1995 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 14:03:07 +0001 From: WASSILI@AMC.UVA.NL Subject: Original Discovery rubber floor mats Hello Roverers, I've just bought a new Discovery Commercial 300 TDi, blinded side windows after the front seats' and no back seats, '95 model and I've also bought an original LandRover Discovery rubber floor mat set ( great for muddy feet! :-) ). The floor mats for the rear passengers are useless to me. Someone interested? If so E-mail me at wassili@amc.uva.nl ______ | ### \______ | ## ### #####\ |## ### ######\______ | ___\ | ___ \ |___/ \_______/ \ | ( 0 ) ( 0 ) Roy Wassili From "David McKain" Tue Oct 3 09:21:19 1995 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:21:19 EDT From: "David McKain" Subject: BRLRC Home Page There is a new Web page for the Blue Ridge Land Rover Club located at http://www.coe.wvu.edu:80/~wwwatf/brlrc/brlrc.htm. Please visit this site and contact me with any feedback (positive or negative). Members of the club are encouraged to e-mail me direct so I can compile a list of club members who are connected. Watch for the home page to expand. Thanks, David McKain 1966 SIIa Petrol mckain@cemr.wvu.edu (304) 599-0120 Morgantown, WV USA From "Guzelis.Pete" 3 1995 Oct U 1908 Date: 3 Oct 1995 08:05:31 U From: "Guzelis.Pete" Subject: RE: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest Defender 90 sighting! Just got back to sunny California after a 2 week (3200 mile) vacation in the 4 corners area of the Southwest. While in Moab Utah, spotted a D90 setup to do some serious off-roading. Never got a chance to see/talk to the owner. Anyone know who ownes this one? By the way, my '94 Disco never missed a beat throughout the entire trip except for a minor engine stall while in Durango Colorado. This occurance after a super climb up the 13K foot Engineer's Pass road (ha ha). Talked to a mechanic at the L/R service center in Sante Fe a few days later and he said that similar problems due to gasoline formulated for winter conditions being released too early in the season. Ever heard of this guys?? No big deal however. I just thought that I got a little dust accumulated after a good 1 1/2 weeks off roading in Canyon De Chelley, Monument Valley, Moab (Canyonlands), Durango/Silverton, and Chaco Canyon. By the way, anyone know of US-type replacement Air/Oil filters. I want to keep using genuine L/R parts whenever but in a pinch I'd sure like to have an alternate should the occasion arise. Bye the bye, our trip to the 4 corners area of the Southwest should not be overlooked for anyone interested in our American Indian culture. Lots of good stuff to see. To say the least the Anasazi Indians sure knew how to set up camp! Unbelievable how these people could have the technology and perserverance to construct very complicated dwellings carved into the sides of mountains. All should see this. I've been to Europe and seen archeological digs from the ancient Greeks and Romans and are no more spectacular than that built by the "ancient ones". Have a good day! _______________________________________________________________________________ From Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus 3 95 Oct EDT 1909 Date: 3 Oct 95 9:30:55 EDT From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus Subject: Replaced door gasketing, but it won't stay ON... In the cleanup of my old friend Churchill, I replaced all of the rubber gasketing around his doors, adhering it with RTV (per a tip in LRO). Well, it doesn't want to stay on. The RTV bonds well to the metal, but peels right off the gasketing itself. I've also tried the 3M contact cement recommended for this application and it was worse - it wouldn't adhere on either surface worth a rat's butt. Any suggestions before I get pissed off and rivet the stuff on? -ajr From BobandSueB@aol.com Tue Oct 3 11:54:44 1995 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 11:54:44 -0400 From: BobandSueB@aol.com Subject: series head comp ratio >>Rick asks... >> How does one decipher which head one has......7.1 or 8.1 ratio. I >have >> both a Slla and a Slll.......are the heads not the same? Is the timing >> proceedure different? >Mike says, >I believe that the easiest way to spot the differance is to look at the head [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] >while on the 8.1 head the boss is a rectangular shape that extends to >the >edge of the head. >Cheers > Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com HI, The square boss appeared on the later SIIA and can be either 7-1 or 8-1, It will be stamped (7 or 8). The previous heads without the boss are 7-1 unless/until milled down. Bob Bernard From Oscar Montelibano Wed Oct 4 00:16:30 1995 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 00:16:30 +0800 From: Oscar Montelibano Subject: information Have a LR product and in the Philippines. What's this group about and how do I join, if I qualify having a Rangie. TIA Oscar Oscar Montelibano omont@mnl.sequel.net 75247.2423@compuserve.com From John Brabyn Tue Oct 3 09:43:37 1995 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:43:37 -0700 (PDT) From: John Brabyn Subject: Re: D90 SW On Mon, 2 Oct 1995 jpappa01@interserv.com wrote: > D90 SW. > * Full carpeting and interior (headliner/side panels) standard. [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)] > * A/C still dealer-installed option. > * No official MSRP as of yet. Jim -- sorry to be ignorant; I'm sure I must have missed this on previous postings, but what does SW stand for?? Cheers John Brabyn 89RR From Treit Le 3 95 Oct 1912 Date: 3 Oct 95 12:01:57 From: Treit Le Subject: Classic vs. Disco Hi all, I'm new to this list and do not own an LR. But am actively seeking to rectify the matter. I am trying to decide between a '96 Disco and and '95 Classic. I lean towards the Classic, but wonder about the 25 year-old design vs. the 6 year-old design and the 4.0 engine. I live in New York City and intend to drive about 25,000 pothole laden miles a year for 4 years. Is either vehicle more or less likely to hold up. I had read that the 3.9 had head gasket problems at about 60-80k miles. What is resale value like at 100k miles? Off-roading would not be an issue. I assume that either one would be great for driving up unpaved Vermont mountain roads in the winter. From (Tom Rowe) Tue Oct 03 12:17:11 1995 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 95 12:17:11 EDT From: (Tom Rowe) Subject: Re: mail to Alan richer Returned On Tue, 3 Oct 95 12:26:15 you wrote: >---- message ---- >Error transferring to GOLD/CAM/M/LOTUS mail.box; Database is corrupt -- [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)] >Content-Description: RFC822 >To: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus >Alan, >Try washing the seals in something like Ajax. I know that when [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] >(and it seems logical) the seals are the same way. Let me know if it >works. Tom Rowe UW Center for Dairy Research Madison, WI 53706 | Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck wk 608-265-6194 | in places even more inaccessible hm 608-243-8660 From cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Tue Oct 03 10:14:30 1995 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 10:14:30 +0100 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: D90 SW John Brabyn writes: >On Mon, 2 Oct 1995 jpappa01@interserv.com wrote: D90 SW. * Full carpeting and interior (headliner/side panels) standard. [ truncated by lro-lite (was 9 lines)] * A/C still dealer-installed option. * No official MSRP as of yet. >Jim -- sorry to be ignorant; I'm sure I must have missed this on previous postings, but what does SW stand for?? Station Wagon, of course :) Michael Carradine, Architect Ph/Fax 510-988-0900 Carradine Studios, PO Box 494, Walnut Creek, CA 94597 USA _________________________________________________________________________ Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page at: http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html From David Rosenbaum Tue Oct 3 10:45:32 1995 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 10:45:32 -0700 (PDT) From: David Rosenbaum Subject: Adding gauges to D90 At the recent "all British field meet" in Portland OR, I picked up a Smiths gauge that reads oil pressure and water temperature on one face (2 needles, each using 1/2 the face) which looks about the same size as my D90's temp gauge. Have any of you added gauges to your D90? In looking at the shop manual, it looks as though info from the temp gauge is used by other systems (I had thought that I might replace the D90 temp gauge with the Smiths water temp/oil pressure gauge. I suppose I could still do it if I left the D90 temp gauge hooked up, but just stuffed behind the instrument panel, if there's room.) Are there additional ports to hook up oil pressure and water temp sensors, or do they get "piggy-backed" onto existing ports? Thank-you in advance for your ideas. David Rosenbaum '94 D90 (still un-named!) From (Tom Rowe) Tue Oct 03 12:48:14 1995 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 95 12:48:14 EDT From: (Tom Rowe) Subject: Re: mail to Alan richer Returned Sorry, all. The major truncated the hell out of my message, didn't think I had that many commented lines. Here it is again. >Error transferring to GOLD/CAM/M/LOTUS mail.box; Database is corrupt -- Cannot allocate space ---- message ---- Content-Type: Message/rfc822 Content-Description: RFC822 Alan, Try washing the seals in something like Ajax. I know that when painting Airfix minatures (the little plastic soldiers and suchlike) you have to wash them to get the paint to permantly adhere. Perhap (and it seems logical) the seals are the same way. Let me know if it >works. Are you getting your mail Alan? Tom Rowe UW Center for Dairy Research Madison, WI 53706 | Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck wk 608-265-6194 | in places even more inaccessible hm 608-243-8660 From Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus 3 95 Oct EDT 1913 Date: 3 Oct 95 13:49:46 EDT From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus Subject: bodgered mail to me I know, folks....they can't seem to make it work right all the time. If anyone needs to contact me directly, I can be reached at richer@village.com. aj"I am # 6"r P.S.: If that doesn't make sense, watch "The Prisoner"....-ajr From Trefor Delve Tue Oct 03 19:40:00 1995 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 95 19:40:00 GMT From: Trefor Delve Subject: Re:Adding gauges to D90 FAO, David Rosenbaum, The gauge(s) you describe sound similar to those used on the MG Miget. If that is the case, the temperature information is relayed by a thin pipe carrying mercury (thermometer principle). May be difficult fitting this to a Defender just by virtue of the fact that the lead (if you have it) may not reach the appropriate point on the engine. However, if the gauge you have has an electrical temperature input, then I'm barking up completely the wrong tree. Trefor tdelve@nectech.co.uk From maddeng@Apple.com (gary madden) Tue Oct 3 12:24:14 1995 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 95 12:24:14 -0700 From: maddeng@Apple.com (gary madden) Subject: Re:Problem Cardboard ..chopsticks? Thank you grasshopper, for words of widsom. Mine keeps falling down, also. Single cheapest-looking, corner-cutting component on the vehicle. Personally I would like to replace cardbroad with something a bit more substantial, a bit more Land Rover-ish. Unfortunately the dealer says the '95 redesign (molded plastic) can't be retrofitted. Gary Madden maddeng@Apple.com 1994 D90, green roys@cup.hp.com >From: Leland J Roys >Subject: Problem Cardboard [ truncated by lro-digester (was 23 lines)] >1994 Def-90 (Red) >------------------------------ From David Rosenbaum Tue Oct 3 12:28:20 1995 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 12:28:20 -0700 (PDT) From: David Rosenbaum Subject: Re:Adding gauges to D90 Dear Trefor, Thank-you for your reply. I suspect that the gauge is mechanical because it looks *old*. Also I don't have the tube that goes to the temp. part (I thought there might be a generic solution). I do have the tubing that goes to the oil gauge part.... I'll have to look at it more carefully when I get home, regarding the temp. part. Perhaps this is an excuse to start frequenting junk-yards (something that I was always doing when the '55 Chevy and '66 IHC Scout were my "daily drivers") Rainy season in Seattle (Oct-May) *is* the best time of year to trudge around rusty relics, with the mud ankle-deep. No crowds, no bugs, no risk of sun-burn. Best wishes, David From David Rosenbaum Tue Oct 3 12:59:25 1995 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 12:59:25 -0700 (PDT) From: David Rosenbaum Subject: Re:Problem Cardboard On Tue, 3 Oct 1995, gary madden wrote: > ..chopsticks? Thank you grasshopper, for words of widsom. Mine keeps > falling down, also. Single cheapest-looking, corner-cutting component on > the vehicle. Personally I would like to replace cardbroad with something a > bit more substantial, a bit more Land Rover-ish. Unfortunately the dealer > says the '95 redesign (molded plastic) can't be retrofitted. Mine, too. Not only is it ugly, but there's a ton of *electrical* stuff behind, which make me nervous every time I see it in back of the sagging cardboard: what if it gets WET back there? One reason I don't "hose out" the interior. From "Bobeck, David R." Tue Oct 03 16:08:26 1995 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 95 16:08:26 EST From: "Bobeck, David R." Subject: Mid Atlantic Beer Fest Greetings Fellow Roverites, Finelee the server here's up n' runnin, so's that ah kin tell y'all 'bout them Lan Rovers! Yee ha, what a blast. Ok enough small talk, blah blah blah, there were lots of good-lookin trucks (sorry; Land-Rovers) out there, saw some interesting set-ups, might have to try some myself. Took Miss Lucky out on the trials course, with a little trepidation, but she did fine and made it through with only a minor scratch and a lost chrome piece off one of those silly sidemarker lights. Went out on a run in Quentin Aspin's 80 inch, and realized that I had been maybe going a tad fast. oh well. His slow, steady driving enabled us to enjoy the sights, which included my lost piece of chrome, and a certain arboreal(tree) deformation that looked surprisingly like a "johnson". This was pointed out by the female member of the crew, who promptly ordered one of us out to strike a pose... someone had a camera, and someone else had some big cohones, and the rest is history... We decided right there that instead of "Built Like A Locomotive", next year's theme should be "Hung Like A Tree". Anyways, all involved should withold details to protect the not-so-innnocent. The 101 Forward Control Crew provided fun rides and exciting banter as well as comical clown-like activities like driving in reverse with someone working underneath and repeatedly firing their 10-Guage shotgun cannon. Neat toy that thing, no Rover should be without one. The train ride provided lots of time to show off our collection of unusual Land Rover parts catalogs, which make great conversation pieces. Also we fed Sandy a steady stream of jokes so he could repeat them five seconds later:-) Got to meet some of the OVLR guys and other list people, sorry Chris Stevens and Nate Dunsmore I meant to try to find you guys but I got too wrapped up in my beer... Watched with sadness as NOTAJEEP tore off one of their NOTRECESSED 110 door handles. Ugly. My roommate and Rover pal Will Hadley and his SO followed me down in his IIa, which despite his constant paranoia made it in one piece, and retained all its gear oil (on the rear door, but it still retained it). Actually it looks like a pretty serious leak from the front of the gearbox, I watched with amazement as a nearly steady stream of oil came out of his flywheel housing. We'll be having that out soon won't we Will? Any ideas/advice about this one will be welcomed of course. Looking forward to next year's event and trying the course in 1st gear. (Didn't quite have 1st this time 'round) Ok, that's enough prattle, stop reading this and GET BACK TO WORK!! Cheers, David R Bobeck dbobeck@ushmm.org '72 SeriesIII 88. Miss Lucky From "Bobeck, David R." Tue Oct 03 16:13:06 1995 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 95 16:13:06 EST From: "Bobeck, David R." Subject: Overdrives. Fairy/Superwinch are the same thing. Atlantic British may still offer Santana overdrives which claim a larger oil capacity. The Bearmach O/D also holds more oil and is about $100 US more than Superwench. Sort of hard to find over here? but you shouldn't have a problem. Apparently the oil heats up and causes pressure which can force the oil out of the unit, causing it to dry up and then break. Therefore the larger oil capacity could be considered an advantage. I guess it just gives you more time before it dries up:-). Dixon says you can drill and tap the top of the Superwinch unit and install an axle breather thing to help let off the pressure. Sounds good to me, anybody tried any of this stuff? Dreaming of going the speed limit, David R. Bobeck 72 Series III 88 dbobeck@ushmm.org From Robert Watson (CNA) Tue Oct 3 13:38:44 1995 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 95 13:38:44 TZ From: Robert Watson (CNA) Subject: RE: Problem Cardboard I haven't seen the cardboard on the D-90, but the Disco has a bunch of cardboard under the dash that looks like it could serve as a good pattern for some sheet metal (aluminum, since it's a rover?) or plastic covers. (With insulation on the "wire" side to prevent shorting). I'm curious as to how long this cardboard will last after a winter of being kicked with muddy and snowy boots. -- Bob W. '95 Disco ---------- ...chopsticks? Thank you grasshopper, for words of widsom. Mine keeps | falling down, also. Single cheapest-looking, corner-cutting component on | the vehicle. Personally I would like to replace cardbroad with something a | bit more substantial, a bit more Land Rover-ish. Unfortunately the dealer | says the '95 redesign (molded plastic) can't be retrofitted. From MFIELD@MOHAWK.WIC.EPA.GOV Tue Oct 3 19:21:01 1995 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 19:21:01 -0400 (EDT) From: MFIELD@MOHAWK.WIC.EPA.GOV Subject: Land Rover for Sale To any interested Land Rover enthusiast: For Sale: 1967 SIIA LWB, LHD, three door Land Rover recently imported directly from England -- quite rare for the U.S. Some of its many features are: Newly rebuilt engine by rover specialists in England - 0 miles Completely refurbished frame - mint Series III transmission Recently refurbished drivetrain - 5000 miles Hardtop with new roofrack and side ladder Soft top with hoops Salisbury Rear differential - mint New Front Defender highback seats - mint New (6) Rear Defender seats - mint New safety belts - mint New high quality sound proofing - mint New carpeting - mint New NATO brush paint - $100/gal New heavy duty tires - mint New brakes - mint New ring and pinion gears (not installed) F/R - mint I purchased this vehicle directly from England and have all the required import documents. I purchased this Rover for use as a geologist because of I travel in some very rough country where I sometimes have need to exit in a hurry (drug growers don't take kindly to strangers who work for the government). As such a PTO winch/bumper was originally included in the purchase price but has not yet arrived from England. Unfortunately, even though I purchased this Rover with intentions of using it for my job as a government geologist, the government is now threatening to lay me off (or furlough me for months at a time). Because I purchased this with a home equity loan, I am now have to sell it to ensure that I can pay back the loan. This Land Rover was appraised at $13,000. However, due to my desperation I am willing to let it go for considerably less. I am not interested in making a profit -- only avoiding a loss. If anyone is interested, please call me at: (202) 260-8921 - work (301) 349-5712 - h mfield@mohawk.wic.epa.gov - email Thanx everyone. Malcolm S. Field From Cliff Kavanaugh <76262.1154@compuserve.com> 03 95 Oct EDT 1920 Date: 03 Oct 95 20:56:56 EDT From: Cliff Kavanaugh <76262.1154@compuserve.com> Subject: Newspaper article MidAtlantic Rally Tuesday Oct 3, 1995 edition of The Richmond Times Dispatch has an extensive article in section D concerning the Mid Atlantic Land Rover Rally. Almost 2 full pages and 5 big color photos. The Blue Range Rover (still nameless) in the front of the line to the teeter totter is mine. There is a great photo of Tat Masumoto's black Disco; balanced on the totter, as well. The article mentions Tat , Sandy Grice the organizer and Nancy and Mike McCaig the owners of Penland Farm (nice photo of Mike McCaig). A photo of Scott Miller and his Series 1 Woody from PA made it in too. Also mentioned is Dixon Kenner, Diesel Bob McCullough, Alex Barron, Bill Malone, Bill Maniscalco, Kendall Wilson and Land Rover Dealer Greg Walker from Richmond Va. Great Photo of Richard Holmes seated on top of his '67 Dormobile. Contact Richmond Times Dispatch 1 800 468 3382. For copies of photos Call 804 649 6285. Fax 804 775 8059 . If anyone from BRLROC reads this please have Tat forward his mailing address to me - 76262.1154@compuserve.com. Cheers, Cliff Kavanaugh . 1988 RR (still nameless) From TONY YATES Wed Oct 4 08:40:03 1995 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 08:40:03 +0800 (WST) From: TONY YATES Subject: Movie sightings Yet more movie sightings - yeh, well, there ain't much else to do after dark in Port Hedland except watch vids: Black Eagle with Van Damme and Kosugi is a crap movie but has a feast of sightings, mainly in the first 20 mins so you don't have to watch it all. A battered 109 soft top, a neat 2 door RR and a very neat red SIII 109 Safari in County trim. Late for dinner - starring the guy who played Boony in China Beach has another very neat 109 safari (II or IIA), plus a RR glimpse. Cheers. ========================================================== () ( ) () Tony Yates ( ) ( ) ( ) Bureau of Meteorology ( )( ) ( ) Port Hedland ( ) )( ) Western Australia ( ) ) -------- ------------ ph: (091) 401 350 \\\**\\**\ fax: (091) 401 100 \***\*\ \\*\ email: A.Yates@bom.gov.au \\ ========================================================== From LANDROVER@delphi.com Tue Oct 03 21:55:58 1995 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 21:55:58 -0400 (EDT) From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Subject: Re: Defender 110 owners with problem Bill admonishes...... > Don't bother writing about it here, this list isn't for whinging and > moaning Gee, Bill... First, we couldn't talk about beer... Now we can't whine and moan... OK... my overdrive whines aFrom WASSILI@AMC.UVA.NL Wed Oct 04 09:14:14 1995 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 09:14:14 +0001 From: WASSILI@AMC.UVA.NL Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest Hello Roverers, I've just bought a new Discovery Commercial 300 TDi, blinded side windows after the front seats' and no back seats, '95 model and I've also bought an original LandRover Discovery rubber floor mat set ( great for muddy feet! :-) ). The floor mats for the rear passengers are useless to me. Someone interested? If so E-mail me at wassili@amc.uva.nl ______ | ## ### #####\ |## ### ######\______ | ___\ | ___ \ |___/ \_______/ \ | ( 0 ) ( 0 ) Roy Wassili From Richard Jones Wed Oct 4 9:42:42 1995 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 9:42:42 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Jones Subject: Classic vs. Disco Treit Le writes: > I lean towards the Classic, but wonder about the 25 year-old design > vs. the 6 year-old design and the 4.0 engine. I live in New York City and Peel back the 6 year old body, look real close and you will spot the same 25 year old design hiding underneath. > intend to drive about 25,000 pothole laden miles a year for 4 years. Is either > vehicle more or less likely to hold up. If the current trend continues the Classic will have the highest resale vale. Late Classics are becoming very sort after, particularly if current predictions hold and the last one comes off the line in February. > I had read that the 3.9 had head gasket > problems at about 60-80k miles. What is resale value like at 100k miles? If correctly maintanined they are more than capable of 200,000 trouble free miles. Also remember that the 3.9 and 4.0 are basically the same engine. > Off-roading would not be an issue. I assume that either one would be great for > driving up unpaved Vermont mountain roads in the winter. Who needs roads? __ _ __ Apricot Computer Limited ' ) ) / 3500 Parkside Tel: (+44) 121 717 7171 /--' o _. /_ Birmingham Business Park Fax: (+44) 121 717 0123 / <_<_(__/ <_ BIRMINGHAM B37 7YS Richard Jones United Kingdom Email: richardj@apricot.mee.com From William Caloccia Wed Oct 04 05:53:52 1995 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 95 05:53:52 -0400 From: William Caloccia Subject: Re: Defender 110 owners with problem > Now we can't whine and moan... As if I could stop a bunch of British car owners from doing that ? > OK... my overdrive whines and my old lady moans... Howzat??? :-) Actually there was an excellent short animation called 'Moanologue' on Ch.4 (LWT) Monday evening where this guy's wife....(well you can figure it out). The list is, as always, a place to ask for advice, swap war stories and do all that kind of stuff. However, as before when talking about independent parts vendors, my comments are that if you've got a problem with a vendor, then fine, ask for people who've had problems, but collect the information off line, both as a courtesey to the list, (and sometimes it is better to keep some things less public). Then maybe come back later and summarize the info, as appropriate. Asking for advice (on dealing with a vendor) or experiences (of how the vendor dealt with problems in the past) is a bit different than asking for a list of problems. How to go about resolving the problem is the real question. In my view, that is perfectly fine, and better etiquette (on or off the net). ----- I think you lot know I don't censor the list, barring mailer glitches or malicious e-mail(er)s. [Not to mention there are enough mature and sharp tongues out there to let folks know when they're out of line]. Nor am I interested in censoring it or moderating it. (Doing either, as Prodigy found out, has some definite legal repercussions, as the court then views it as 'publishing' and there is liability for content.) Cheers, --bill caloccia@Team.Net http://www.senie.com/billc/ 1 3 dl OD L "Land Rover's first, because |--|--+ o | | Land Rovers last." 2 4 R ul N H '72 Range Rover From wilsonhb@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu (Henry B. Wilson) Wed Oct 04 05:02:59 1995 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 05:02:59 -0500 (CDT) From: wilsonhb@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu (Henry B. Wilson) Subject: D90 SW future market Any opinions (and rationale) on whether the D90 SW will hold its value as well as a D110? I would like to trade up from a 5 spd Disco to the D90 SW (which I wanted in the first place but there wasn't a hardtop when it came out) and am looking for rationalizations to go along with such an obviously logical financial choice. (!) Henry B. Wilson http://vumclib.mc.vanderbilt.edu/~wilsonhb '59 AHY 100-6 '94 Disco "The Healey's clean; the Rover's filthy. Life is perfect." From RMILLER@Middlebury.edu (Raoul Miller) Wed Oct 4 09:52:30 1995 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:52:30 +0000 From: RMILLER@Middlebury.edu (Raoul Miller) Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest >> From: Treski@aol.com >> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 23:48:15 -0400 >> Attn all 110 owners: I f you have had a problem of any kind with your rover >> that was fixed under warranty, please write about it here. ex getting all >> 4 doors replaced because of a bad paint job. thank you >Don't bother writing about it here, this list isn't for whinging and moaning, >just send your moaning mail directly to 'Treski@aol.com', or you'd probably >get better results if you wrote to the manufacturer's agent and told 'em >directly how much you liked the vehicle, but how disappointed you were >that xxxx. >Cheers, >-Bill I agree. If the Hollywood and Aspen type street cruisers who own the majority of the NAS 110 s out there are unhappy with the mirror effect of the paint perhaps they would care to pass down these vehicles to those of us who will apppreciate them for something more than their Schwarzenegger-Chic. From Frederick_O._Ellsworth@bcsmac.org (Frederick O. Ellsworth) 04 1995 Oct GMT 1915 Date: 04 Oct 1995 15:33:58 GMT From: Frederick_O._Ellsworth@bcsmac.org (Frederick O. Ellsworth) Subject: Lack of Power on Startup Hi all, I'm still working on this lack of power on startup in our '71 IIA 88" with 2.25 petrol engine. I can't figure it out and its getting much worse as the nights get chillier. Yesterday morning when I went out and started it I did something I guess I'd never done before (or the problem is just getting gradually worse). I have to use the choke to get it started no matter what the temp is outside, so I pulled out the choke and cranked it up. It started ok, but then I punched the gas a couple of times. Each time I punched the gas the engine *almost* died, but as soon as I let of the gas it returned to a normal idle. Again, as soon as it warmed up the problem seemed to go away and the engine ran great at all speeds. All I can think of is some sort of vaccuum leak, but I sprayed carb cleaner all over the darn thing and there was no change of idle. Besides, wouldn't a vaccum leak demonstrate symptoms at any temperature? Any suggestions greatly appreciated. Fred - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From Easton Trevor Wed Oct 04 11:15:00 1995 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 95 11:15:00 DST From: Easton Trevor Subject: Winches etc Regarding the use of winches, electric/pto drum/capstan When using the winch to move another vehicle/object the advantage of the capstan winch is that when the line is fully reeled in it is only necessary to flip it off the drum and change ends to start the next pull. Also the amount of pull can be easily regulated by the degree of tailing (how hard you pull on the rope coming off the drum). And ropes are a lot kinder to hands than steel cables (OK so they stretch more, I can live with that). Trevor From DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Wed Oct 04 08:18:10 1995 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 95 08:18:10 MST From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Subject: Anyone ever install a "Lock Right" locker? FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 SUBJECT: Anyone ever install a "Lock Right" locker? Hello all! I just received a Lock Right locker for my '87 RR. Has anyone ever installed one before? It doesn't appear to be too difficult... (Famous last words!) I don't have the factory manual for the RR, but I do have the one from the Disco, should be the same for the differential. Any "special tools" needed? Will I need a new gasket(s?) for the center section or axle seals? Can I just use the "blue goo" or "red goo" gasket junk without a gasket? Steven Gross, I understand you have a "Thorsen" locker? What's the difference? Did you install it yourself? Please advise! Thanks, Dave (soon to be locked) Brown #=====# #========# -------,___ _______ |___|__\___ |___|__|__\___ |--' | | \_|_ / /__|__\___ | _ | |_ |} | _ | | |_ |} | _ |--+--|_ | \_/-\___/-\_|} "(_)""""(_)" "(_)"""""""(_)" ||_/_\___|__/_\_|} ( ) ( ) (_) (_) 1971 "88" IIa 1970 "109" IIa 1994 Discovery (Sold) '87 Range Rover LIC: LION B8 Historic plates (Too hard to "draw") $8500 bargain Soon with locker! #=======# Never doubt that a small group of individuals |__|__|__\___ can change the world... indeed, it's the only | _| | |_ |} thing that ever has. "(_)""""""(_)" -Margaret Mead From JFisk1120@aol.com Wed Oct 4 11:22:39 1995 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 11:22:39 -0400 From: JFisk1120@aol.com Subject: USA Today Article At the top of today's edition (October 4th) of the "Life" section of "USA Today", it shows a picture of a new Range Rover with the caption: LEARNING TO ROVE....As the Land Rover leaps in popularity, schools are springing up to teach what these automotive billy goats can do. So be sure and catch the article tomorrow, Thursday, October 5th in "USA Today". Should be interesting. Jan Fisk Springfield, Missouri From Jeff Gauvin Wed Oct 4 9:36:13 1995 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 95 9:36:13 MDT From: Jeff Gauvin Subject: RE: Problem Cardboard From Easton Trevor Wed Oct 04 11:55:00 1995 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 95 11:55:00 DST From: Easton Trevor Subject: Temperature Gauges Trefor Delve wrote: The gauge(s) you describe sound similar to those used on the MG Miget. If that is the case, the temperature information is relayed by a thin pipe carrying mercury (thermometer principle). Actually , Trefor, the temperature gauge is a pressure gauge. It measures temperature by measuring the vapour pressure of the fluid in the sensing bulb (usually alcohol) . Often on older gauges they stop functioning because hte capillary has developed a leak and the fluid has all evaporated. A good instument shop can often find and fix the leak and refill the bulb. Mechanical gauges beat electical everytime. They don't need power to work and if correctly calibrated in the beginning they stay that way for an eternity. Trevor Easton Miss Golightly just back from the Mid Atlantic. Just love those winding back roads in Virginia. Felt almost like the homeland. Now if only you drove on the right (ie left) side of the road. From Easton Trevor Wed Oct 04 12:04:00 1995 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 95 12:04:00 DST From: Easton Trevor Subject: Temp Gauge David See my post to digest re temp gauges. Does your gauge have what looks like a small capillary tube coming from the back of the temperature portion? probably the tube and bulb were severed by an ill advised PO, but all is not lost. See if you can find an industrial instrument shop in the neighbourhood. They may be able to graft a new tube and bulb to your gauge. The original fluid is not allowed any more so what they fill it with will have different characteristics, just ask them to provide a calibration chart. So long as you know what the actual temperature is it doesn't really matter what the gauge reads, does it. After all most modern (electrocrap) gauges just have green yellow and red bands with no numbers. Regards Trevor From Trefor Delve Wed Oct 04 17:05:00 1995 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 95 17:05:00 GMT From: Trefor Delve Subject: Temperature Gauges Trevor, I stand corrected. Thankyou. Trefor. tdelve@nectech.co.uk From L.Batten@lse.ac.uk Wed Oct 04 15:43:03 1995 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 95 15:43:03 GMT From: L.Batten@lse.ac.uk Subject: Series Geraboxes Dear All, I'm looking to replace my gearbox on my Series IIA with one from a Series III - I really need the benefit of a fully synched box. Is this a straight forward task - does anyone know of any pitfalls I can avoid ? Thanks in advance. Leigh ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Leigh Batten London School of Economics E-mail - L.BATTEN@LSE.AC.UK Room A240 Tel: - 0171-955-6714 Houghton Street London Mobile - 0378-134-660 WC2A 2AE 1966 IIa SWB - "Janie" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From L.Batten@lse.ac.uk Wed Oct 04 15:30:35 1995 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 95 15:30:35 GMT From: L.Batten@lse.ac.uk Subject: Series Geraboxes Dear All, I'm looking to replace my gearbox on my Series IIA with one from a Series III - I really need the benefit of a fully synched box. Is this a straight forward task - does anyone know of any pitfalls I can avoid ? Thanks in advance. Leigh ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Leigh Batten London School of Economics E-mail - L.BATTEN@LSE.AC.UK Room A240 Tel: - 0171-955-6714 Houghton Street London Mobile - 0378-134-660 WC2A 2AE 1966 IIa SWB - "Janie" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From Chris Haslam Wed Oct 4 12:43:35 1995 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 12:43:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Haslam Subject: RR: ECU gets RPMs from Coil Negative From Duncan Brown Wed Oct 04 12:45:43 1995 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 12:45:43 -0500 (EST) From: Duncan Brown Subject: IIA to III transmission swap Leigh, > I'm looking to replace my gearbox on my Series IIA with one from a > Series III - I really need the benefit of a fully synched box. > Is this a straight forward task - does anyone know of any pitfalls I > can avoid ? It is not completely straightforward, since the III had the clutch slave cylinder on the opposite side of the bellhousing and used a completely different release mechanism and input shaft. One way is to simply deal with the differences. Another way is to take a SIII box and strip all the front stuff off of it, putting your IIA stuff back in place, leaving you with an "all synchro IIA transmission." That is what I'm currently running. I believe the complete list of "stuff" is: -- front gear on layshaft that mates with gear on input shaft -- input shaft -- entire front end of transmission which is more or less: -- bellhousing -- input shaft bearing -- every bit and piece of release mechanism I've got a couple of thousand miles on this setup and it's working fine. After 5 years of double-clutched downshifts into second, I'm having trouble remembering I don't need to do that. And the throws for 1st and 2nd are disconcertingly SHORT compared to what I'm used to. But it's a really nice change, for the non-purist. Duncan From (Tom Rowe) Wed Oct 04 11:52:09 1995 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 95 11:52:09 EDT From: (Tom Rowe) Subject: Re: Temp Gauge >David >See my post to digest re temp gauges. Does your gauge have what looks like a [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] >lost. See if you can find an industrial instrument shop in the >neighbourhood. They may be able to graft a new tube and bulb to your gauge. Snip Nissonger Corp in New York can rebuild these guages. I don't have their number with me, but someone else on the list knows it. Maybe they can post it. Tom Rowe UW Center for Dairy Research Madison, WI 53706 | Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck wk 608-265-6194 | in places even more inaccessible hm 608-243-8660 From Duncan Brown Wed Oct 04 12:52:19 1995 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 12:52:19 -0500 (EST) From: Duncan Brown Subject: temp/oil guages All, Nisongers in NY does a nice job of rebuilding those combo oil/temp gauges. (914-381-1952, -1953 fax) Mine had the "missing secret stuff" problem where everything was there but it just didn't work. Not sure what they'd do if you were missing the whole tube, bulb, and big nut. It cost $100 to repair, and came back looking like a BRAND NEW instrument. The bezel was painted, it had new gaskets in it, the tube was brand new, they even included a new little gasket for where the oil pressure pipe fits on. The oil pressure pipe hooks on to an adapter on the end of the oil filter adapter (same place the wire that goes to the green lights hooks in.) Yes, it is actually feeding engine oil up to your dash to measure the pressure. Make sure you get that connection on and sealed right!! The water sensing bulb hooks in right below the thermostat in the head casting. Which is to say that for a D90 owner, this gauge would make a nice conversation piece but little else I'm afraid... Duncan, now able to see what temp his engine is for the first time since he bought it! From Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus 4 95 Oct EDT 1912 Date: 4 Oct 95 12:49:46 EDT From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus Subject: Re: Lack of Power on Startup Re: Lack of power: Are you sure that your timing and so forth are correct? I can easily see this being a symptom of excessively lean mixture, or perhaps a clogging fuel filter. Also, check the idle jet, if it's partially clogged, you could have the lean mix which would clear as soon as you got running on the road. Alan From "John B. Friedman" Wed Oct 4 14:05:09 1995 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 95 14:05:09 -0500 From: "John B. Friedman" Subject: Anti-Gush Discovery oil change #2 I experimented today with a technique for avoiding the gush of oil when first pulling the plug on Disco oil pan. The following worked well. Buy a 24 quart waste basket at Walmart. The model I got was made by Sterilite in MA, but a Rubbermaid product or the same dimensions would be fine. Scribe or draw a line on the front and sides 9 inches up from the bottom of the can.( this for the rectangular cross section model I got) Then with a carpenter's saw and snips, saw across the face of the basket and down the sides. Then cut away with snips the material so that you have a 9 inch high can with a full height flap up the back. With the snips or a round file make nice radii where the flap joins the sides, so when you flex the flap it won't break off after repeated use. This can will now fit under the car. Place the flap so it comes up behind the long I- beam Panhard bar which locates the front axle in the frame.You want the flap to protect the tire and brake from the gushing oil. The center of the can should be more or less under the drain. Then when you take the plug out, the oil will gush, hit the flap and fall into the can and not get all over.You may have to retrieve your plug out of the oil. I pulled the thing out after most of the oil had drained and used a flat pan for the rest and the oil filter too. But maybe the flap could be used to protect tie rods and differential housing when you unscrew filter as well. I presume this will also work on Defender but as you may have more clearance there, you can cut the sides a little lower or higher. John Friedman From Ray Harder Wed Oct 4 15:52:58 1995 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 15:52:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Ray Harder Subject: Re: RoverWeb last update? On Wed, 4 Oct 1995, ppnickb wrote: > Subject: RoverWeb last update? > My name is Nick Baggarly and I'm with the Land Rover Owners Assoc. [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)] > Nick C. Baggarly > '66SIIA 88 (Seymour) '64 Dormobile > Los Gatos, Cale nick, regarding your message and the roverweb page: i am a member of lroa -- keep up the good work. at one time in my life i had time and i took on the roverweb with good intentions. work has consumed me and I have not had the time to keep it current. i feel guilty, but it does not appear that things will change in the future for me. i could pass it along to someone else (thats how i acquired it -- greg hiner - hiner@mail.utexas.edu did almost all the work). or i could solicite help in keeping it current (i am the sysadmin on a medium sized unix system and i could let some users sign in to do some web updating...) anyway, feel free to point to it and if you have ideas as to how to help me get/keep current, send em along. i always look forward to the aluminum workhorse -- read it from cover to cover on the first night. ray harder -- 61 SIIa 88 named lulu. From Leland J Roys Wed Oct 4 13:57:45 1995 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 95 13:57:45 PDT From: Leland J Roys Subject: Def-90 Oil change Oil Changes: Well, with all this talk about a spill free oil changes on the Disco/Def-90, I have finally found the perfect solution. Because I found it impossible to stop the gallons of oil flowing on my garage floor, I now just put my lips over the oil spigot on my Def-90, I then drink all the old oil from my beloved Def-90 (and enjoy it as well), this leaves no spill and I also do not need dinner that night. Leland Roys roys@cup.hp.com Cupertino,Ca 1994 Def-90 (Red) From growl@hsmpk14a-101.Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell) Wed Oct 4 14:09:51 1995 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 14:09:51 -0700 From: growl@hsmpk14a-101.Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell) Subject: Re: Series Geraboxes > Dear All, > I'm looking to replace my gearbox on my Series IIA with one from a [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)] > Thanks in advance. > Leigh Why not convert your IIa box to syncro, the you have the best of both? R, bg From Mark Talbot <71035.3215@compuserve.com> 04 95 Oct EDT 1919 Date: 04 Oct 95 19:01:45 EDT From: Mark Talbot <71035.3215@compuserve.com> Subject: RR gearbox probs All, Anyone comment on this. I just took the RR for a quick off-roading. I tried to get the thing into low range and nothing happened when I pushed the lever forward. It appears that it is stuck in HIGH range, luckily !!! Anyone had a similar prob, not getting into low range. I suspect something has snapped or broken, stopping the lever to engage low range, the diff lock still works. Mark From TONY YATES Thu Oct 5 07:26:37 1995 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 07:26:37 +0800 (WST) From: TONY YATES Subject: Re: RR gearbox probs On 4 Oct 1995, Mark Talbot wrote: > get the thing into low range and nothing happened when I pushed the lever > forward. It appears that it is stuck in HIGH range, luckily !!! Anyone had a Does the lever move freely? If so I would suspect a broken linkage, if it was an internal problem the lever would be stuck/hard to move?? Just a suggestion. ========================================================== () ( ) () Tony Yates ( ) ( ) ( ) Bureau of Meteorology ( )( ) ( ) Port Hedland ( ) )( ) Western Australia ( ) ) -------- ------------ ph: (091) 401 350 \\\**\\**\ fax: (091) 401 100 \***\*\ \\*\ email: A.Yates@bom.gov.au \\ ========================================================== From rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Wed Oct 04 20:55:17 1995 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 95 20:55:17 -0500 From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Subject: My new Range Rover by Robin Well, i just got my new Range Rover home. Gorgeous C registration (for the live at home Brits unlike us in Canada) four door jobbie with right hand drive and 3 spoke wheels. Came from Japan via Germany, and soemwhat reduced in size at 1/24. I think that this one will end up i9n a Gulf war colour scheme with the rear windows painted out and the black chevron on either side as per LRO articles b my mucker Bob Morrison. I say by way of German y as Revell in Germany are repackaging this Ayoshima kit and sticking a couple of big bucks on the price tag. Thankfully I won a big M88A1 kit at a convention and swapped it with the local retailer for the Rangie.. Well considering I only paid a fiver for my raffle ticket and got a armoured recovery vehicle worth over 60 cdn and swapped it for the 64 dollar (plus taxes ) revell kit I thought I was doing real well. I have an older range rover on the go which will when completed be either an RAF police vehcile or a civy police unit. Havenet decided yet. Initial inspection and inhalation reveal that the kit is really well moulded and the tyres provided are Bridgestone mud duellers. Very little flash on the kit parts and a well executed detail level. There are decals for the walnut on the dash and all. The clear parts are really sharp too. The decals are very good for register and colour, they have declas for the hubs aswell! choice of uk C reg licence plates or show roon "Land Rover " oval and range rover words. Buy this sucker now and put it away for a real long winter. Why not ask the Mrs for this under the tree? Revell Germany's kit number is 07373 and should be available under the ayoshima (spelling suspect there ) name aswell for a few bucks less. TTFN Robin -- Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. | Ottawa Valley Land Rovers From jawa@i-max.co.nz (leonard john hobart) Thu Oct 5 18:23:14 1995 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 18:23:14 +1200 From: jawa@i-max.co.nz (leonard john hobart) Subject: inqury >To: LRO-Owner@uk.stratus.com >From: jawa@i-max.co.nz (leonard john hobart) [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] >2 queries >1. which is the correct address to send email re Land Rovers? , I will cross post this to what appears to me may be possable A.D.s . could seem kind soul please put me rFrom cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Thu Oct 05 01:12:46 1995 Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 01:12:46 +0100 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: US Aftermarket Parts US Rovers, The Land-Rover 4x4 Connection Aftermarket Parts list for Series Land Rovers has grown to over 30 items (big deal!), and now includes High Performance Products with manufacturer listings for the Mallory distributor, Weber carburetor, Pierce manifold, Clifford header, Rimmer Bros. SS exhaust system, and Centerforce clutch (BIG DEAL!! :) Author/listmaster Mike Hoskins of Mid-America Rover, Kansas City Phone/Fax 816-763-3797, invites comments, corrections, and particularily additions of proven aftermarket parts to the list. Find the list at http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html -Michael Carradine Rumpole of the Bay cs@crl.com '65 IIA 88 _________________________________________________________________________ Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page at: http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html From Richard Jones Thu Oct 5 10:03:53 1995 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 10:03:53 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Jones Subject: Re: Classic vs. Disco John Brabyn writes: > Richard -- is it true that after stating the Classic would be available > into the forseeable future, Land Rover is discontinuing it in February? My understanding (some fact, some speculation) is that the production future of the Calssic will be reviewed at the end of the year, but if no further "fleet type" contracts have been received production will stop in February. > Hard to believe people are actually buying that new nondescript looking > thing they have transferred the Range Rover name to!!! The New Range Rover has been around for 12 months now, and is being produced at I believe 400 units per week (against 70-80 Classics), all of which must be going somewhere. There is a lot of re-construction going on at the Factory currently and they are extremely short of space. I suspect that the thinking is that the Classic line space can be better utilised by a modern less labour intensive (read here quicker build per unit) line building something else. > (Of course I'm not at all biased!) Looks like the new Range Rover's long term success depends more on its reliabilty than its looks. If at 2-4 years of age the technology is still all working reliably it will succeed, if not keep that Classic of yours in good shape it will become even more collectable. __ _ __ Apricot Computer Limited ' ) ) / 3500 Parkside Tel: (+44) 121 717 7171 /--' o _. /_ Birmingham Business Park Fax: (+44) 121 717 0123 / <_<_(__/ <_ BIRMINGHAM B37 7YS Richard Jones United Kingdom Email: richardj@apricot.mee.com From jawa@i-max.co.nz (leonard john hobart) Thu Oct 5 22:29:57 1995 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 22:29:57 +1200 From: jawa@i-max.co.nz (leonard john hobart) Subject: oops er sorry about those other two messages, I think I have got the hang of now regards john :-} From Easton Trevor Thu Oct 05 07:58:00 1995 Date: Thu, 05 Oct 95 07:58:00 DST From: Easton Trevor Subject: LRO Digest Syndrome The syndrome strikes again! Just back from Mid Atlantic and catching up on my mail I read of front prop shaft sleeves that shed themselves from the shaft. I go home and while checking bodily fluids what do I see but a front prop shaft with two hose clips and some tatty rubber bits attached. HAVE YOU CHECKED YOUR SLEEVE LATELY. If you read it here it will probably happen to you. Trevor Easton and Miss Golightly with a naked shaft (oohh, la,la) From Mike Rooth Thu Oct 5 14:06:28 1995 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 95 14:06:28 BST From: Mike Rooth Subject: Re: attempt four > To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net [ truncated by lro-digester (was 22 lines)] > (Loftys) fuel tank, does anybody else feel this way? would there be a > >Subject: Keep practising,you're getting better:-) I beleive rear mounted tanks are available for 109 models.May be necessary to fit a different exhaust system though,I'm not sure. 'Course,you *could* always change to diesel:-} Cheers Mike Rooth From DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Thu Oct 05 07:34:05 1995 Date: Thu, 05 Oct 95 07:34:05 MST From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Subject: '87 RR Alternator, and Lock-Right lockers. FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 SUBJECT: '87 RR Alternator, and Lock-Right lockers. Chris, You asked if I had checked the voltage, and I'm embarrassed to say, no. I have a digital VOM that I could have used, but I never suspected the alternator. As I wrote before, my only clue that this *might* be a concern was that at idle, the "charge" light glowed very dimly. (Only noticeable at night, and went off when you gave it some gas.) Nobody has responded to my question from yesterday, at least not that I've read in the digest yet. Anyone ever install a "Lock-Right" locker in a LR? Any hints? How difficult/easy?? Do I need new gaskets or can I use the "blue goo" or the "red goo" s